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Tucker Carlson Now Taking on Unrepetentent Neocons One By One
Two videos below. First, last night's donnybrook with sneering interventionist globalist Max Boot, who has been wrong about virtually everything but just gets more militantly arrogant with every fresh failure.
Then, an interview from two nights ago with Ralph Peters. Both men are basically still peddling the line that virtually brought the GOP to bankruptcy in 2008 (and swept Barack Hussein Obama into the White House): that America is duty-bound to pursue a naive moralism in foreign policy, with our moralism enforced with lots of US troops, and, worse yet, lots of dead and permanently maimed US troops. And to object to that -- to say "I don't know if this is worth an American man's legs, and I can't agree, based on the recent record, that putting American targets on the ground for terrorists to murder does much for 'nation-building' and 'democracy-spreading'" -- is to be a "cheerleader for Putin." This argument is one that's been a long time coming, and I'm glad that Carlson is bringing it out into the open, prominently.Comments
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Yesss!
Posted by: Jeanne del Norte, con covfefe at July 13, 2017 05:02 PM (B9dAp)
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First?
Posted by: Axeman at July 13, 2017 05:02 PM (2mC6G)
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A liberal or any GOPe type going on Tucker's show is like that beautiful girl swimming alone at night in Jaws.
It won't end well.
It won't end well.
Posted by: shibumi at July 13, 2017 05:02 PM (aT+Bx)
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no way max boot is his real name. i bet his real name is richard head.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 13, 2017 05:02 PM (KP5rU)
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First - ?
Posted by: Jeanne del Norte, con covfefe at July 13, 2017 05:02 PM (B9dAp)
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Going full Teen Vogue on these douchbags.
Posted by: Max Power at July 13, 2017 05:02 PM (q177U)
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First?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 13, 2017 05:03 PM (QGoUX)
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Bwahaha
Posted by: Jeanne del Norte, con covfefe at July 13, 2017 05:03 PM (B9dAp)
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I read about that Peters interview. Talk about going Godwin.
Posted by: Buzzion at July 13, 2017 05:03 PM (z/Ubi)
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I went back and watched the segment with Steyn and Tucker "yucking it up". Steyn was hilarious. And they weren't laughing about anything directly related to Putin.
That dude's got problems.
That dude's got problems.
Posted by: Axeman at July 13, 2017 05:03 PM (2mC6G)
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He got bored with beating up retards.
Posted by: fluffy at July 13, 2017 05:03 PM (jw2Xw)
Posted by: fixerupper at July 13, 2017 05:04 PM (vIjh1)
Posted by: Rick in SK at July 13, 2017 05:05 PM (FZYNt)
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Militantly arrogant...that's Max Boot alright. I've had run-ins with him online.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 13, 2017 05:05 PM (3OIiX)
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Next we need Tucker against Bill Kristol.
Posted by: steevy at July 13, 2017 05:05 PM (rmVvL)
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His real name is Marcel Beaute.
Posted by: Max Power at July 13, 2017 05:05 PM (q177U)
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My husband and I watched Tucker Time last night. It was delectable.
WTH happened to Col. Ralph Peters? I remember when he was punished by Fox for calling Obama a pussy.
WTH happened to Col. Ralph Peters? I remember when he was punished by Fox for calling Obama a pussy.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 13, 2017 05:05 PM (PY9jH)
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Going full Teen Vogue on these douchbags.
Posted by: Max Power at July 13, 2017 05:02 PM (q177U)
I see what you did there...and I liked it.
Posted by: Max Power at July 13, 2017 05:02 PM (q177U)
I see what you did there...and I liked it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 13, 2017 05:05 PM (3OIiX)
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Boot did write the best history I've read on the small wars of the U.S., I'll give him that.
Posted by: josephistan at July 13, 2017 05:05 PM (7HtZB)
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corgis summoned, stand back !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/7 at July 13, 2017 05:05 PM (Mcvvl)
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And to object to that -- to say "I don't know if this is worth an American man's legs, and I can't agree, based on the recent record, that putting American targets on the ground for terrorists to murder does much for 'nation-building' and 'democracy-spreading'" -- is to be a "cheerleader for Putin."
Fuck them. When they put their kin out there on the line then we can talk.
Fuck them. When they put their kin out there on the line then we can talk.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 13, 2017 05:05 PM (YxyYj)
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There are two Americas.
Posted by: Nickel Ni Lamenov at July 13, 2017 05:05 PM (m9X4Y)
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Bush era neocons... as useless and irrelevant as MC Hammer and the 1991 Atlanta Falcons.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2017 05:06 PM (TOk1P)
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Stephan Hayes needs his arrogant Never Trumpin ass kicked too.
Stephan Hayes needs his arrogant Never Trumpin ass kicked too.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 13, 2017 05:06 PM (vIjh1)
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Next we need Tucker against Bill Kristol.
Posted by: steevy at July 13, 2017 05:05 PM (rmVvL)
And Glenn Beck, and Egg McMuffin, and John McCain, and every RINO ever.
Posted by: steevy at July 13, 2017 05:05 PM (rmVvL)
And Glenn Beck, and Egg McMuffin, and John McCain, and every RINO ever.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 13, 2017 05:07 PM (PY9jH)
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Tucker Carlson is CLEARLY worse than Hitler. How very dare he have a different opinion than his betters?
Posted by: Lily (formerly fom HotAir now from AoSHQ) at July 13, 2017 05:07 PM (qNfx0)
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I would like to see David Frum next on the loony tunes segment on Tucker
Posted by: Rick in SK at July 13, 2017 05:07 PM (FZYNt)
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Morning Jolt is virtually unreadable now. I was a fan for a long time, but the "Trump's the devil" crap has gotten old fast.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 13, 2017 05:08 PM (PY9jH)
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Oh fine ... I say NeoCon and I'm an anti-semetic prick. But Ace says NeoCon ... and it's no big deal.
Everybody knows I love them thrifty little diamond selling shape-shifters.
Everybody knows I love them thrifty little diamond selling shape-shifters.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 13, 2017 05:09 PM (R/01c)
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Mark Steyn is absolutely hilarious when he's on with Tucker. He cracks Tucker up.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 13, 2017 05:09 PM (PY9jH)
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30 Mark Steyn is absolutely hilarious when he's on with Tucker. He cracks Tucker up.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
Mark Steyn is currently Canada's #1 export
Posted by: Jane D'oh
Mark Steyn is currently Canada's #1 export
Posted by: Rick in SK at July 13, 2017 05:10 PM (FZYNt)
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If we're listing future victims, I wanna nominate David "Pomidoro" Brooks.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/7 at July 13, 2017 05:10 PM (Mcvvl)
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Tucker ripping Cheeto Beck to shreds would give me unmentionable joy.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 13, 2017 05:11 PM (flrcs)
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Really,what is it about Trump that causes so many people to go nuts?Is it the scalp weasel??
Posted by: steevy at July 13, 2017 05:11 PM (rmVvL)
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Scogg, I noticed that too
Posted by: NCKate at July 13, 2017 05:11 PM (7ydCJ)
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The thing is, Tucker was also a big supporter of the war in Iraq until Obama took over. The problem with Boot and Peters is they refuse to acknowledge that their views will never be popular with liberals and when they get in office they will fuck up any gains made.
Theory vs practice.
Theory vs practice.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 13, 2017 05:11 PM (/tuJf)
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John McCain
Stephan Hayes
Bill Kristol
David Brooks
Krauthammer
Get your staff booking these asap! this is only the beginning.
Stephan Hayes
Bill Kristol
David Brooks
Krauthammer
Get your staff booking these asap! this is only the beginning.
Posted by: Cheri at July 13, 2017 05:11 PM (oiNtH)
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The term neocon has been redefined so many times it no longer has any meaning. Just because some asshole likes to get into every little shitty war i the world it doesn't make them any kind of a conservative.
In fact I would say the opposite. McShitty and Linseedoil Grahamnasty fall in this category. And to call either one of them a conservative would be ludicrous.
In fact I would say the opposite. McShitty and Linseedoil Grahamnasty fall in this category. And to call either one of them a conservative would be ludicrous.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 13, 2017 05:11 PM (mpXpK)
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Oh fine ... I say NeoCon and I'm an anti-semetic prick. But Ace says NeoCon ... and it's no big deal.
Everybody knows I love them thrifty little diamond selling shape-shifters.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 13, 2017 05:09 PM (R/01c)
You know, once upon a time, it mattered. If you encountered some clown who was anti-Bush 13 years ago, generally when they slurred the word "neocon" from their slimy mouths, they were mostly objecting to the Jewyness of it all.
Now that we're all looking back on the era, I think we can honestly say... hey, left, you were right about the who, you were just dead wrong about the why.
Everybody knows I love them thrifty little diamond selling shape-shifters.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 13, 2017 05:09 PM (R/01c)
You know, once upon a time, it mattered. If you encountered some clown who was anti-Bush 13 years ago, generally when they slurred the word "neocon" from their slimy mouths, they were mostly objecting to the Jewyness of it all.
Now that we're all looking back on the era, I think we can honestly say... hey, left, you were right about the who, you were just dead wrong about the why.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2017 05:11 PM (TOk1P)
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33 Tucker ripping Cheeto Beck to shreds would give me unmentionable joy.
Posted by: Hikaru
Can Beck get a day pass from the asylum or would they let a camera crew in to see him?
Posted by: Hikaru
Can Beck get a day pass from the asylum or would they let a camera crew in to see him?
Posted by: Rick in SK at July 13, 2017 05:11 PM (FZYNt)
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34 Really,what is it about Trump that causes so many people to go nuts?Is it the scalp weasel??
He's an Alpha male and they are not.
He's an Alpha male and they are not.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 13, 2017 05:11 PM (YxyYj)
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The comparison with Hitler is ridiculous, as we did ally ourselves with Stalin to defeat Hitler. How is working with Putin (at arm's length, no "Uncle Vlad" crap) to deal with ISIS (who have a truly Hitlerian agenda if not capability) any worse?
Posted by: Schaeffer at July 13, 2017 05:12 PM (eNOP+)
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Donald Trump's election is driving so many on both sides absolutely bar-shit insane!
The masks are coming off. I don't know why it is happening now, but the professional and established establishment politicians, media, and their fellow thought leaders are destroying themselves. They are showing just how morally bankrupt they really are.
Thank you President Trump.
The masks are coming off. I don't know why it is happening now, but the professional and established establishment politicians, media, and their fellow thought leaders are destroying themselves. They are showing just how morally bankrupt they really are.
Thank you President Trump.
Posted by: rd at July 13, 2017 05:12 PM (4dz1m)
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Jowly Mcshitty is what brought Obama in.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 13, 2017 05:12 PM (mpXpK)
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Fuck the neocons. Fuck them hard. And not in any way they would enjoy.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at July 13, 2017 05:12 PM (toi7g)
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Destroying this wing of the Republican party has been a long time in coming. How they have lasted this long as a force of any consequence is beyond me. Everyone I know, from self-proclaimed socialists to ardent conservatives to moderates of every stripe thinks they're just laughable, malevolent little imps.
Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at July 13, 2017 05:13 PM (wwd4n)
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Morning Jolt is virtually unreadable now. I was a fan for a long time, but the "Trump's the devil" crap has gotten old fast.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 13, 2017 05:08 PM (PY9jH)
I'm with you, Jane. I dumped the NR writer entirely last year.
I miss the Jonah Goldberg of Liberal Fascism days. Or of the old Corner days.
But I only miss him a little, I'm doing fine without them.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 13, 2017 05:08 PM (PY9jH)
I'm with you, Jane. I dumped the NR writer entirely last year.
I miss the Jonah Goldberg of Liberal Fascism days. Or of the old Corner days.
But I only miss him a little, I'm doing fine without them.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 13, 2017 05:13 PM (3OIiX)
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40; they would haul him to the studio in a rubber truck.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 13, 2017 05:13 PM (KP5rU)
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Who's the victim tonight?
Posted by: dantesed at July 13, 2017 05:13 PM (88xKn)
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Really,what is it about Trump that causes so many people to go nuts?Is it the scalp weasel??
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It's the braggadocio, the bravado, the locker room insults. The fact that he is right, makes it all the more insulting. And the man is vulgar. Can't have that.
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It's the braggadocio, the bravado, the locker room insults. The fact that he is right, makes it all the more insulting. And the man is vulgar. Can't have that.
Posted by: Nickel Ni Lamenov at July 13, 2017 05:13 PM (m9X4Y)
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35 Scogg, I noticed that too
Posted by: NCKate at July 13, 2017 05:11 PM (7ydCJ)
Meh, not the end of the world. Just making my usual shitty sarcastic points.
Really ... nobody is more of a friend to the international banking cartels and movie studio controllers than me.
Posted by: NCKate at July 13, 2017 05:11 PM (7ydCJ)
Meh, not the end of the world. Just making my usual shitty sarcastic points.
Really ... nobody is more of a friend to the international banking cartels and movie studio controllers than me.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 13, 2017 05:13 PM (R/01c)
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America is duty- bound to protect the interests of its people, starting at home, regarding the daily lives of citizens.
The divide is that... citizens/ non- citizens. Foreign interests are always secondary. My stance is America first.
The divide is that... citizens/ non- citizens. Foreign interests are always secondary. My stance is America first.
Posted by: kraken at July 13, 2017 05:14 PM (zSVEm)
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@23 hey now, MC Hammer is still an ordained minister so he does serve a purpose.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 13, 2017 05:14 PM (yTnCT)
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Trump is Rodney Dangerfield in Caddyshack. The Washington establishment is Ted Baxter (Judge Smails).
Trump is Rodney Dangerfield in Caddyshack. The Washington establishment is Ted Baxter (Judge Smails).
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at July 13, 2017 05:14 PM (8O3HH)
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" They are showing just how morally bankrupt they really are.
Thank you President Trump."
A - men !
Thank you President Trump."
A - men !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/7 at July 13, 2017 05:15 PM (Mcvvl)
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The thing is, Tucker was also a big supporter of the war in Iraq until Obama took over. The problem with Boot and Peters is they refuse to acknowledge that their views will never be popular with liberals and when they get in office they will fuck up any gains made.
Theory vs practice.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 13, 2017 05:11 PM (/tuJf)
Lots of us were supporters of the war in Iraq. Some of us have figured out, with all the 20 freakin' 20 hindsight we've been treated to, lo this past decade plus, we would have been better off as a nation, had we never gone.
If you go on tv, and claim to be an expert, and you can't acknowledge this? Then yeah, no. I have no use for you.
Theory vs practice.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 13, 2017 05:11 PM (/tuJf)
Lots of us were supporters of the war in Iraq. Some of us have figured out, with all the 20 freakin' 20 hindsight we've been treated to, lo this past decade plus, we would have been better off as a nation, had we never gone.
If you go on tv, and claim to be an expert, and you can't acknowledge this? Then yeah, no. I have no use for you.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2017 05:15 PM (TOk1P)
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I'm just Conservative, no neo. And, yeah, I supported the Afghan and Iraq wars.
I probably would have run them differently, though.
And yes, I have family in uniform.
I probably would have run them differently, though.
And yes, I have family in uniform.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 13, 2017 05:15 PM (3OIiX)
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I admit I love Russian lit and Russian music. Yeah Rachmaninoff, baby. I'd probably fit in their boozey ways too. And we were at war with Eurussia most my life. I'm tired of it now.
They gotta so something pretty overt for me to care anymore.
They gotta so something pretty overt for me to care anymore.
Posted by: Jeanne del Norte, con covfefe at July 13, 2017 05:15 PM (B9dAp)
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I haven't watched TV really, just a spot here and there since I was a kid. I love Tucker's show. I literally have an appointment to watch it AND I dvr it in case I miss any.
Posted by: dagny at July 13, 2017 05:15 PM (wQp4D)
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The Specialists is also unwatchable. Cat Timpf's smugness in spite of being woefully ignorant is stomach churning.
The subject of the Obama/Russian lawyer came up and they were all clueless, including Eric Bolling.
The subject of the Obama/Russian lawyer came up and they were all clueless, including Eric Bolling.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 13, 2017 05:15 PM (PY9jH)
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Not trying to re-open the Iraq war can of worms. Just saying I don't 'get' the whole neocon label, then or now.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 13, 2017 05:16 PM (3OIiX)
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Tucker Carlson with Mark Steyn on the Russian hysteria -for those that haven't seen it. I hadn't:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WSWKd0a8z8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WSWKd0a8z8
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2017 05:16 PM (iVOAv)
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The spin stops here.
Posted by: O'Reilly, playing with tops at July 13, 2017 05:16 PM (lIZQs)
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Can anyone spare some change so I can buy a gun?
Posted by: Bob the Crying Cheesemaker at July 13, 2017 05:16 PM (nILVB)
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@23 hey now, MC Hammer is still an ordained minister so he does serve a purpose.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 13, 2017 05:14 PM (yTnCT)
That's where the word "and" comes in. Hammer AND the '91 Falcons.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 13, 2017 05:14 PM (yTnCT)
That's where the word "and" comes in. Hammer AND the '91 Falcons.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2017 05:17 PM (TOk1P)
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Come on, Ace, who's going to hire all these lawyers who create those ROE that get our boys killed and maimed if we don't grow the Pentagon?
Posted by: ShainS at July 13, 2017 05:17 PM (uxQxi)
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The term neocon was originally coined to describe a liberal democrat who still supported the military. a Scoop Jackson Democrat.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 13, 2017 05:17 PM (mpXpK)
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>>Lots of us were supporters of the war in Iraq. Some of us have figured out, with all the 20 freakin' 20 hindsight we've been treated to, lo this past decade plus, we would have been better off as a nation, had we never gone.
>>If you go on tv, and claim to be an expert, and you can't acknowledge this? Then yeah, no. I have no use for you.
Well we'll never actually know if that was true, Trump is bombing the ever loving shit out of Iraq and Syrian and has been pretty much since the day he took office and lo and behold, ISIS is being crushed. We might actually be talking about this from time to time if it wasn't Russia, Russia, Russia 7x24.
But I agree that guys like Boot should acknowledge that as long as we have a country where a new administration can throw away any gains that are made purely for political reasons his uber pure policy will not work.
>>If you go on tv, and claim to be an expert, and you can't acknowledge this? Then yeah, no. I have no use for you.
Well we'll never actually know if that was true, Trump is bombing the ever loving shit out of Iraq and Syrian and has been pretty much since the day he took office and lo and behold, ISIS is being crushed. We might actually be talking about this from time to time if it wasn't Russia, Russia, Russia 7x24.
But I agree that guys like Boot should acknowledge that as long as we have a country where a new administration can throw away any gains that are made purely for political reasons his uber pure policy will not work.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 13, 2017 05:19 PM (/tuJf)
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29 Oh fine ... I say NeoCon and I'm an anti-semetic prick. But Ace says NeoCon ... and it's no big deal.
Everybody knows I love them thrifty little diamond selling shape-shifters.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 13, 2017 05:09 PM (R/01c)
Yeah, but did Ace mean "Joo" or did ace mean libtard who became "conservative" for war and now has reverted to libtard? Granted the second had its fair share of the first, but it's how we mean them, it's intersectionality!
Everybody knows I love them thrifty little diamond selling shape-shifters.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 13, 2017 05:09 PM (R/01c)
Yeah, but did Ace mean "Joo" or did ace mean libtard who became "conservative" for war and now has reverted to libtard? Granted the second had its fair share of the first, but it's how we mean them, it's intersectionality!
Posted by: dagny at July 13, 2017 05:19 PM (wQp4D)
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52 America is duty- bound to protect the interests of its people, starting at home, regarding the daily lives of citizens.
The divide is that... citizens/ non- citizens. Foreign interests are always secondary. My stance is America first.
This x1000... may I subscribe to the newsletter?
The divide is that... citizens/ non- citizens. Foreign interests are always secondary. My stance is America first.
This x1000... may I subscribe to the newsletter?
Posted by: USNtakim at July 13, 2017 05:19 PM (zZWkn)
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Gutfeld was also hilarious last night, ridiculing JoeMika on Colbert, and Joe denouncing the Republican party on Colbert, to the approval of the clapping seals.
He also pointed out how high and puffy Joe's hair is now. Heh.
Oh, and Dana absolutely excoriated Joan Walsh for snarky crap she said about Ivanka's clothing style. Remember, wymyn, if you're a feminist you CANNOT wear pink or anything lovely and feminine. It denotes weakness or something.
He also pointed out how high and puffy Joe's hair is now. Heh.
Oh, and Dana absolutely excoriated Joan Walsh for snarky crap she said about Ivanka's clothing style. Remember, wymyn, if you're a feminist you CANNOT wear pink or anything lovely and feminine. It denotes weakness or something.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 13, 2017 05:19 PM (PY9jH)
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The term neocon was originally coined to describe a liberal democrat who still supported the military. a Scoop Jackson Democrat.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 13, 2017 05:17 PM (mpXpK)
Ah? Didn't know that, thank you. Always wondered where it popped up from.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 13, 2017 05:17 PM (mpXpK)
Ah? Didn't know that, thank you. Always wondered where it popped up from.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 13, 2017 05:20 PM (3OIiX)
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Ralph Peters love NATO sexually and it pissed him off when Trump insulted his girlfriend.
Ralph Peters love NATO sexually and it pissed him off when Trump insulted his girlfriend.
Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at July 13, 2017 05:20 PM (lKyWE)
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61 Not trying to re-open the Iraq war can of worms. Just saying I don't 'get' the whole neocon label, then or now.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 13, 2017 05:16 PM (3OIiX)
I supported killing the terrorists in Afghanistan, but I went uh- oh with the Iraq invasion. I did not see Afghanistan as intervention, but more of a much needed killing spree of bad guys.
I suppose that doesn't make any sense, but there is a distinction for me.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 13, 2017 05:16 PM (3OIiX)
I supported killing the terrorists in Afghanistan, but I went uh- oh with the Iraq invasion. I did not see Afghanistan as intervention, but more of a much needed killing spree of bad guys.
I suppose that doesn't make any sense, but there is a distinction for me.
Posted by: kraken at July 13, 2017 05:20 PM (zSVEm)
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And BTW, I was against bush going into Iraq. My predicted outcome was we would go in kick ass, and the first Democrat in office would pull us out and all the loss of life would be for nothing. That was my experience in Vietnam, and that is exactly what happened.
We are not the fkn world's policeman.
We are not the fkn world's policeman.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 13, 2017 05:20 PM (mpXpK)
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Trump is Rodney Dangerfield in Caddyshack. The Washington establishment is Ted Baxter (Judge Smails).
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at July 13, 2017 05:14 PM (8O3HH)
I just hope that the Trump Goes to Washington stays in the theaters another 7-1/2 years.
Hopefully the sequel will better than Caddyshack 2 also.
Trump is Rodney Dangerfield in Caddyshack. The Washington establishment is Ted Baxter (Judge Smails).
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at July 13, 2017 05:14 PM (8O3HH)
I just hope that the Trump Goes to Washington stays in the theaters another 7-1/2 years.
Hopefully the sequel will better than Caddyshack 2 also.
Posted by: rd at July 13, 2017 05:21 PM (4dz1m)
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Well we'll never actually know if that was true, Trump is bombing the ever loving shit out of Iraq and Syrian and has been pretty much since the day he took office and lo and behold, ISIS is being crushed. We might actually be talking about this from time to time if it wasn't Russia, Russia, Russia 7x24.
I don't think Mattis wants it "talked about", in fact I think he said no football spiking until we're in the end zone. Noticed that the Donald even said that Mattis doesn't like to talk, by that I think he meant "shut the hell up." It's better if we don't call the leftturd attention to it, they'll start screaming that Potus is murdering babies, et al.
I don't think Mattis wants it "talked about", in fact I think he said no football spiking until we're in the end zone. Noticed that the Donald even said that Mattis doesn't like to talk, by that I think he meant "shut the hell up." It's better if we don't call the leftturd attention to it, they'll start screaming that Potus is murdering babies, et al.
Posted by: dagny at July 13, 2017 05:21 PM (wQp4D)
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Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 13, 2017 05:16 PM
Neocons are the "conservatives" who decided to concede all culture wars to the left, decry "nationalism" along with the left, and decided the way to win elections going forward was to tie "patriotism" to "love of military". And then, to keep the military on the front page, signed us up for every single war is was possible to involve us in.
Clear enough?
Neocons are the "conservatives" who decided to concede all culture wars to the left, decry "nationalism" along with the left, and decided the way to win elections going forward was to tie "patriotism" to "love of military". And then, to keep the military on the front page, signed us up for every single war is was possible to involve us in.
Clear enough?
Posted by: Rusty Nail at July 13, 2017 05:22 PM (toi7g)
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 13, 2017 05:22 PM (AU4SY)
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The dictionary definition of neoconservative is the movement that started out with '60s Democrats, more conservative leaning, who became disenchanted with the Dem's going full anti-war, anti-American McGovernism, and then migrated to the Republican party, kinda conservative wing.
They evolved into this "all intervention, all the time" types under W.
They were aghast at H.W. Bush decision to leave Saddam in power.
As a young buck in my 20s at the time, I thought that was terrible, too.
Now I realize that the old guard there were the last AMerican foreign policy "elites" who had a damn clue what they were doing. After that, they've all been idiots.
Now, when W. came along, the old guard was too old, and it was the neocon young turks who were now in charge.
The dictionary definition of neoconservative is the movement that started out with '60s Democrats, more conservative leaning, who became disenchanted with the Dem's going full anti-war, anti-American McGovernism, and then migrated to the Republican party, kinda conservative wing.
They evolved into this "all intervention, all the time" types under W.
They were aghast at H.W. Bush decision to leave Saddam in power.
As a young buck in my 20s at the time, I thought that was terrible, too.
Now I realize that the old guard there were the last AMerican foreign policy "elites" who had a damn clue what they were doing. After that, they've all been idiots.
Now, when W. came along, the old guard was too old, and it was the neocon young turks who were now in charge.
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at July 13, 2017 05:22 PM (8O3HH)
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NeverTrump. The Resistance. Tomato, tomahto. Egg McMuffin and Rachel Madcow's Twitter feeds are indistinguishable.
Both of those sides desperately want to make sure Trump fails, and for America to fail by extension. Especially Trump voting states who must be punished. Removing him from office is a long, drawn out process and not even viable given the makeup of Congress at the moment. But what they can do for now is stall bills, stymie, drag feet, refuse to work with, delegitimize, muckrake, legislate from the bench, make wild accusations and any and every thing they can do to make sure Trump does not succeed. His success is the one thing they cannot allow.
Both of those sides desperately want to make sure Trump fails, and for America to fail by extension. Especially Trump voting states who must be punished. Removing him from office is a long, drawn out process and not even viable given the makeup of Congress at the moment. But what they can do for now is stall bills, stymie, drag feet, refuse to work with, delegitimize, muckrake, legislate from the bench, make wild accusations and any and every thing they can do to make sure Trump does not succeed. His success is the one thing they cannot allow.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 13, 2017 05:22 PM (ul9CR)
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Hell, if it was just "naive moralism" that we kept doing over there in the sand lot, I wouldn't be so angry; merely frustrated.
In that case, we would just be like some crappy, bargain-basement superhero that wants to do good but keeps screwing up.
But, no, it's not "naive moralism"; it's "globalist agenda."
We're taking orders. Be it Freemasons, banksters, satanic pedophiles, reptilian shape-shifters, or whatever, our politicians have overlords they will not admit to.
...So they cook up moral excuses to go to war.
In that case, we would just be like some crappy, bargain-basement superhero that wants to do good but keeps screwing up.
But, no, it's not "naive moralism"; it's "globalist agenda."
We're taking orders. Be it Freemasons, banksters, satanic pedophiles, reptilian shape-shifters, or whatever, our politicians have overlords they will not admit to.
...So they cook up moral excuses to go to war.
Posted by: RKae at July 13, 2017 05:23 PM (NQNOa)
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Neocons are the "conservatives" who decided to concede all culture wars to the left, decry "nationalism" along with the left, and decided the way to win elections going forward was to tie "patriotism" to "love of military". And then, to keep the military on the front page, signed us up for every single war is was possible to involve us in.
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So....John McCain?
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So....John McCain?
Posted by: bicentennialguy at July 13, 2017 05:23 PM (nILVB)
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Granted the second had its fair share of the first, but it's how we mean them, it's intersectionality!
Posted by: dagny at July 13, 2017 05:19 PM (wQp4D)
Don't have a clue what any of that meant ... but I feel strangely conpelled to make you a bracelet out of this fictional metal alloy created from large amounts of copper.
Posted by: dagny at July 13, 2017 05:19 PM (wQp4D)
Don't have a clue what any of that meant ... but I feel strangely conpelled to make you a bracelet out of this fictional metal alloy created from large amounts of copper.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 13, 2017 05:23 PM (R/01c)
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Tucker is an anti-LGBTUVWXYandZ hate person.
Posted by: Southern Poverty Lie Center at July 13, 2017 05:23 PM (Tyii7)
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 13, 2017 05:24 PM (lIZQs)
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"Naive moralism" is knocking off dangerous hostile regimes, intimidating others, and allying with others (and bribing and threatening them) to hunt down jihadist enemies? Breaking arms in the dark, renditions, and rightly defying the corrupt ICRC on non-combatants?
OK, then.
And nope, there isn't any conceivable intervention worth one American wounded, when the country is so unserious. The entire US military required for anything beyond coastal defense is a gigantic moral hazard, given the populace we have today.
And obviously - and critically - this refers to many here, and our host, as well. The entire country, including most "conservatives", just shrugged when national interests bought with blood were simply thrown away after 2008.
OK, then.
And nope, there isn't any conceivable intervention worth one American wounded, when the country is so unserious. The entire US military required for anything beyond coastal defense is a gigantic moral hazard, given the populace we have today.
And obviously - and critically - this refers to many here, and our host, as well. The entire country, including most "conservatives", just shrugged when national interests bought with blood were simply thrown away after 2008.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 13, 2017 05:24 PM (QDnY+)
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I want to see Little Chrissy Hayes box one of those caged women fighters....or maybe his twin Rachel Madcow.
Posted by: Mike at July 13, 2017 05:24 PM (vGFvO)
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Ralph Peters love NATO sexually and it pissed him off when Trump insulted his girlfriend.
Hey Ralph,
Your Girlfriend NATO is fat, lazy and out of shape! She owes me money too.
Hey Ralph,
Your Girlfriend NATO is fat, lazy and out of shape! She owes me money too.
Posted by: rd at July 13, 2017 05:24 PM (4dz1m)
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Good God, Boot is an insufferable prat.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 13, 2017 05:25 PM (0mRoj)
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Tucker is not a cucked white knight faggot.
I also get the vibe that he reads and maybe rarely comments on this blog.
I also get the vibe that he reads and maybe rarely comments on this blog.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 13, 2017 05:25 PM (2qHjF)
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Neocons were liberals who defended the wars and so were "new" conservatives. Some of them actually lean right now, lean, not are like Krauthammer. Others, ie Kristol, Ruben, Mensch, a pile of random political appointees returned to the left when Trump showed up and they returned HARD. The left, because they're racist, pro-Muslim, and evil noticed that many of those who supported the wars were pro-Israel jews so they started useing "neocon" as a code word for "joo."
Posted by: dagny at July 13, 2017 05:25 PM (wQp4D)
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How did Tucker miss invoking Stalin and Churchill into that debate with Peters?
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 13, 2017 05:26 PM (bwBxJ)
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The neocons lost all reason to exist once we won the Cold War. They should have skedaddled back to the Dems. But with 9/11 they found their new raison d'etre in the Middle East.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 13, 2017 05:26 PM (ul9CR)
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They are the crusaders of the Progressive Era, determined to perfect the world with aggressive and ill-conceived policies.
To them, the greatest evil is to get in the way of their fervent utopianism.
To them, the greatest evil is to get in the way of their fervent utopianism.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 13, 2017 05:26 PM (oVJmc)
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Sorry to go OT-ish but speaking of Tucker, I'm aghast and pissed about something. He had Krauthammer on his show Monday evening, discussing the Charlie Gard story. Krauthammer said even though the parents have "sovereignty," he felt is was correct and humane for the hospital to end Charlie's life.
Why? Because after his diving accident, Krauthammer was in the same kind of "distress" as he knows little Charlie is in. So he knows Charlie would feel better if he were dead (paraphrasing).
Hello, Charles. You're alive right now, right?
Why? Because after his diving accident, Krauthammer was in the same kind of "distress" as he knows little Charlie is in. So he knows Charlie would feel better if he were dead (paraphrasing).
Hello, Charles. You're alive right now, right?
Posted by: fly gal at July 13, 2017 05:26 PM (8TdcF)
Posted by: Shep! at July 13, 2017 05:27 PM (nILVB)
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Don't have a clue what any of that meant ... but I feel strangely conpelled to make you a bracelet out of this fictional metal alloy created from large amounts of copper.Posted by: ScoggDog at July 13, 2017 05:23 PM (R/01c)
Hank is sexier than John and has a bigger penis.
Hank is sexier than John and has a bigger penis.
Posted by: dagny at July 13, 2017 05:27 PM (wQp4D)
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including most "conservatives", just shrugged when national interests bought with blood were simply thrown away after 2008.
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This conservative didn't. In fact, I came perilously close to banning several different times. I have since resigned my self to my fate. The future belongs to the young. It's their problem now.
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This conservative didn't. In fact, I came perilously close to banning several different times. I have since resigned my self to my fate. The future belongs to the young. It's their problem now.
Posted by: Nickel Ni Lamenov at July 13, 2017 05:27 PM (m9X4Y)
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Is anyone else having trouble with YouTube?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 13, 2017 05:27 PM (rp9xB)
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Didn't Dana Perino host in Tucker's place? If so did she do well and burn bitches to the ground?
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 13, 2017 05:27 PM (2qHjF)
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How did Peters miss invoking Obama as the cause of ISIS and the present unrest in the ME when Tucker mentioned his prior columns?
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 13, 2017 05:27 PM (bwBxJ)
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I thought the idea of "spreading democracy" in the Mid East could work. Everything else - limited wars, paying tribute, diplomacy, supporting friendly dictators - had been attempted & failed. Maybe freedom could work. But now I realize that freedom can't work with islam. The only thing left to do will be total war.
Posted by: josephistan at July 13, 2017 05:28 PM (7HtZB)
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I don't know the other guy, but Ralph is off his rocker. His voice sounds like nails on a chalkboard.
NaziNaziNaziRussiaRussiaRussia
NaziNaziNaziRussiaRussiaRussia
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen, is tired of dis at July 13, 2017 05:28 PM (J5mzk)
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96 Sorry to go OT-ish but speaking of Tucker, I'm aghast and pissed about something. He had Krauthammer on his show Monday evening, discussing the Charlie Gard story. Krauthammer said even though the parents have "sovereignty," he felt is was correct and humane for the hospital to end Charlie's life.
Why? Because after his diving accident, Krauthammer was in the same kind of "distress" as he knows little Charlie is in. So he knows Charlie would feel better if he were dead (paraphrasing).
Hello, Charles. You're alive right now, right?
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Yeah, that turned my stomach too.
Why? Because after his diving accident, Krauthammer was in the same kind of "distress" as he knows little Charlie is in. So he knows Charlie would feel better if he were dead (paraphrasing).
Hello, Charles. You're alive right now, right?
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Yeah, that turned my stomach too.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at July 13, 2017 05:28 PM (nILVB)
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I did a rather in depth piece on what neoconservatism was and it's basic background
"I was once a neocon - why neoconservatism failed, and why it will ALWAYS fail"
http://tinyurl.com/y8nm7hsm
"I was once a neocon - why neoconservatism failed, and why it will ALWAYS fail"
http://tinyurl.com/y8nm7hsm
Posted by: Grad School Fool at July 13, 2017 05:28 PM (swEzU)
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Ralph Peters is a great American and his name almost gets me hard.
Posted by: Juan McCain at July 13, 2017 05:28 PM (398bZ)
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ISIS (who have a truly Hitlerian agenda if not capability) any worse?
Posted by: Schaeffer at July 13, 2017 05:12 PM (eNOP+)
Isis is the remnants of the Baathists who truly were Hitlerian.
Posted by: Schaeffer at July 13, 2017 05:12 PM (eNOP+)
Isis is the remnants of the Baathists who truly were Hitlerian.
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 13, 2017 05:28 PM (lIZQs)
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Roger Ailes once called Dana his "Salvation Army lady". SHe's not gonna burn anybody the ground.
Roger Ailes once called Dana his "Salvation Army lady". SHe's not gonna burn anybody the ground.
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at July 13, 2017 05:28 PM (8O3HH)
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100 Is anyone else having trouble with YouTube?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 13, 2017 05:27 PM (rp9xB)
Yeah, they lean Left anymore...
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 13, 2017 05:27 PM (rp9xB)
Yeah, they lean Left anymore...
Posted by: kraken at July 13, 2017 05:28 PM (zSVEm)
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I agree with the term chickenhawk. It's really easy to support other people suffering and dying for your cause. How many conservatives who loudly supported Bush's interventions (I'm talking pundits mostly) actually volunteered to serve, even in non-combat positions? How many of them, who could not qualify for military service (primarily age, but also disability), reached deep down into their pocketbooks to support care and support for wounded troops and the families of dead troops? I remember Melanie Morgan (KSFO, S.F.) always talking up Gulf War II and bragging about delivering "cookies and coffee" to the troops but was she making a real sacrifice by, say, taking a year's worth of luxuries (dining out, etc.) and donating it? Not that I ever heard. If you're not willing to serve, and you're not willing for a large chunk of your wealth to serve in your stead, then
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Posted by: SFGoth at July 13, 2017 05:28 PM (dZ756)
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Good God, Boot is an insufferable prat.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 13, 2017 05:25 PM (0mRoj)
*nods*
Posted by: Insomniac at July 13, 2017 05:25 PM (0mRoj)
*nods*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 13, 2017 05:29 PM (3OIiX)
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83 Neocons are the "conservatives" who decided to concede all culture wars to the left, decry "nationalism" along with the left, and decided the way to win elections going forward was to tie "patriotism" to "love of military". And then, to keep the military on the front page, signed us up for every single war is was possible to involve us in.
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Steyn did point this out. Conservatism meant foreign interventions and complete cultural surrender at home. Plus, lotsa lotsa immigration to help reinvorgate the lefts' voting base.
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Steyn did point this out. Conservatism meant foreign interventions and complete cultural surrender at home. Plus, lotsa lotsa immigration to help reinvorgate the lefts' voting base.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 13, 2017 05:29 PM (AU4SY)
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Bush era neocons... as useless and irrelevant as MC Hammer and the 1991 Atlanta Falcons.
Posted by: BurtTC
HTTR!
Bush era neocons... as useless and irrelevant as MC Hammer and the 1991 Atlanta Falcons.
Posted by: BurtTC
HTTR!
Posted by: SFGoth at July 13, 2017 05:29 PM (dZ756)
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Max Boot was awesome.... in 2004.
Ralph Peters.....WTF happened to that guy besides making more money punching Right?
Ralph Peters.....WTF happened to that guy besides making more money punching Right?
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 13, 2017 05:29 PM (2qHjF)
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Why? Because after his diving accident, Krauthammer was in the same kind of "distress" as he knows little Charlie is in. So he knows Charlie would feel better if he were dead (paraphrasing).
Hello, Charles. You're alive right now, right?
Posted by: fly gal
Ol' Chas is past his due date.
Time to put him out to pasture.
Why? Because after his diving accident, Krauthammer was in the same kind of "distress" as he knows little Charlie is in. So he knows Charlie would feel better if he were dead (paraphrasing).
Hello, Charles. You're alive right now, right?
Posted by: fly gal
Ol' Chas is past his due date.
Time to put him out to pasture.
Posted by: Rick in SK at July 13, 2017 05:29 PM (FZYNt)
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Yep and they're already starting up with the anti-Semitism canard.
As though you can't oppose this crap because it's crap. You're a Jew hater.
As though you can't oppose this crap because it's crap. You're a Jew hater.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2017 05:30 PM (4ErVI)
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I mean, if only neocons defended american history lessons and our culture with the same vigor they'll napalm a syrian airport
Right...it would also help if they could figure out who the bad guys were. Stop arming muz brotherhood and stop acting as if there's a super moral reason to increase muz immigration to USA.
Right...it would also help if they could figure out who the bad guys were. Stop arming muz brotherhood and stop acting as if there's a super moral reason to increase muz immigration to USA.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 13, 2017 05:30 PM (AU4SY)
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The entire idea of forcing "democracy" on the world or playing global cop was always a stupid idea.
However, being able to throw our weight around the world is good. Actually using force around the world is not, per se, a bad thing.
However, being able to throw our weight around the world is good. Actually using force around the world is not, per se, a bad thing.
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 13, 2017 05:32 PM (vBeA5)
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I remember when Max Boot used to write some semi-intelligent things - but when Trump came along, he jumped onto the Never Trump bandwagon hard. And then when Trump became the nominee, he went all-in predicting Trump would lose badly.
And then when Trump won, he couldn't possibly swallow his pride and admit he was wrong, so he sailed off into Never-Trump Forever Land along with Bill KrystallNacht and Egg McMuffin (among others)
And now he sits at night and stews over the ruins of his career, and can't imagine how he got to a point where just about everyone on all sides loathes him equally.
Tucker's suggestion that he should find a new line of work is a good one - I think he could find a fine career selling graveyard plots.
And then when Trump won, he couldn't possibly swallow his pride and admit he was wrong, so he sailed off into Never-Trump Forever Land along with Bill KrystallNacht and Egg McMuffin (among others)
And now he sits at night and stews over the ruins of his career, and can't imagine how he got to a point where just about everyone on all sides loathes him equally.
Tucker's suggestion that he should find a new line of work is a good one - I think he could find a fine career selling graveyard plots.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2017 05:32 PM (OmOvC)
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The frustration and abject defeat in Boot's eyes as he tried to figure out a way to BS his way out of the lens-lease question were glorious.
Posted by: Sam Haysom at July 13, 2017 05:32 PM (e46OR)
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Tucker is the only "based" pundit on tv. Hannity gets offended when somebody speaks I'll of him and actually gives a fuck.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 13, 2017 05:32 PM (2qHjF)
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It's a red day when they both are right. Nuance inures to the guy's with the most guns and ammo at the point of battle. I don't want to ally with Russia. They hate us, we know that. But they also want to be left the F* alone so that they can go to the pub and sing louie-louie at the top of their lungs and not get blown up by some unemployable, mommy-didn't-love-me-good basement dweller. Thank God that we have a president that isn't too hung up on "nuance". Indonesian bitch!
Posted by: goon at July 13, 2017 05:32 PM (EaQ6/)
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Max Boot reminds me of MattY. Yglesias managed to get published in some high profile places and parlayed that into thinking he as a serious commentator on international affairs.
I think both of them used to haunt Blackfive, way back in the early days of the war.
Boot's published more, he's more of the arrogant priggy academic type. Neither have given themselves up to anything higher than themselves.
I think both of them used to haunt Blackfive, way back in the early days of the war.
Boot's published more, he's more of the arrogant priggy academic type. Neither have given themselves up to anything higher than themselves.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 13, 2017 05:32 PM (3OIiX)
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No, neoconservatism was foreign interventions and cultural surrender, not conservatism.
Conservatives get that policy is downstream of culture and you can't surrender the culture. We also get that domestic policy can't be the slave of global redistrbutionism.
Conservatives get that policy is downstream of culture and you can't surrender the culture. We also get that domestic policy can't be the slave of global redistrbutionism.
Posted by: dagny at July 13, 2017 05:32 PM (wQp4D)
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Posted by: kraken at July 13, 2017 05:28 PM (zSVEm)
Well, that too. In this case I mean having the video and audio not even remotely in sync and then freezing up. I've tried a bunch of different channels and they're almost all doing that.
Well, that too. In this case I mean having the video and audio not even remotely in sync and then freezing up. I've tried a bunch of different channels and they're almost all doing that.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 13, 2017 05:32 PM (rp9xB)
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Sigh not the neocon argument again.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 13, 2017 05:32 PM (SjImc)
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I remember when we armed and actively supported the Muslim Afghans against the Soviets.
Posted by: kraken at July 13, 2017 05:33 PM (zSVEm)
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I'm a veteran and pro-military type. I love our country and want the best for America. American interests are first followed by our allies. always. Looking back I can see we wondered away from our interests. When it is time to fight use overwhelming force, fight hard, win and then stop fighting. This whole extended nation building half ass fighting with one hand behind or back shit is getting old. Win by destroying the enemies will and ability to fight then come home.
Posted by: USNtakim at July 13, 2017 05:33 PM (zZWkn)
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I hate labels and they are usually wrong and over used to the point of meaninglessness.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 13, 2017 05:33 PM (SjImc)
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Rich Lowry is another guy on Fox that I can't watch anymore because he can't get past his never Tumpism
Rich Lowry is another guy on Fox that I can't watch anymore because he can't get past his never Tumpism
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 13, 2017 05:33 PM (lKyWE)
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71 Remember, wymyn, if you're a feminist you CANNOT wear pink or anything lovely and feminine. It denotes weakness or something.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 13, 2017 05:19 PM (PY9jH)
Pink pussy hats excepted, of course.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 13, 2017 05:19 PM (PY9jH)
Pink pussy hats excepted, of course.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at July 13, 2017 05:34 PM (kyB7I)
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128 I remember when we armed and actively supported the Muslim Afghans against the Soviets.
Posted by: kraken
Who is this "we" you speak of?
Posted by: kraken
Who is this "we" you speak of?
Posted by: Zombie Ted Kennedy at July 13, 2017 05:34 PM (FZYNt)
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I supported the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. I understood it with the information i had then
There are no good guys to take over and make iraq, iran, syria or libya work
We dont need their oil. If be happy with containment by secular dictators
Its not moral, its pragmatic
I supported the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. I understood it with the information i had then
There are no good guys to take over and make iraq, iran, syria or libya work
We dont need their oil. If be happy with containment by secular dictators
Its not moral, its pragmatic
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:34 PM (hPBW1)
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Did not know that MC Hammeris now an ordained minister in the Church of God in Christ-a Pentecostal Church. Thanks to the person who posted this. Hammer now devotes much of his time to prison ministries and work with youth. He says that the MC now stands for "Man of Christ". Good for him, There needs to be Christian ministry in the prison since so many African American become Muslim:
http://tinyurl.com/y85g6gko
http://tinyurl.com/y85g6gko
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2017 05:34 PM (iVOAv)
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Why? Because after his diving accident, Krauthammer was in the same kind of "distress" as he knows little Charlie is in. So he knows Charlie would feel better if he were dead (paraphrasing).
Yet, he persisted.
Why? Because after his diving accident, Krauthammer was in the same kind of "distress" as he knows little Charlie is in. So he knows Charlie would feel better if he were dead (paraphrasing).
Yet, he persisted.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 13, 2017 05:35 PM (oVJmc)
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meh, 90 percent or more of max boot's cred comes from his name.
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 13, 2017 05:35 PM (0wem/)
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>>I remember when we armed and actively supported the Muslim Afghans against the Soviets.
And then left.
And then left.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 13, 2017 05:35 PM (/tuJf)
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There are no good guys to take over and make iraq, iran, syria or libya work
MIGA
Make Iraq Great Again
MIGA
Make Iraq Great Again
Posted by: Sunni Scalp Weasel at July 13, 2017 05:35 PM (FZYNt)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:35 PM (hPBW1)
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Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2017 05:34 PM (iVOAv)
He will be very effective, in my opinion.
He will be very effective, in my opinion.
Posted by: kraken at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (zSVEm)
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Ralph Peters.....WTF happened to that guy besides making more money punching Right?
I grow more and more convinced that the nevertrumpers had some kind of brain aneurysms. They argued that the choice wasn't binary and they STILL are going after Trump to prove their insanity of siding with the far left was the better idea. They're fucking insane.
I grow more and more convinced that the nevertrumpers had some kind of brain aneurysms. They argued that the choice wasn't binary and they STILL are going after Trump to prove their insanity of siding with the far left was the better idea. They're fucking insane.
Posted by: dagny at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (wQp4D)
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Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:34 PM (hPBW1)
I supported both until they allowed "Except for when in conflicts with sharia" to be put into both constitutions. I knew then that it had all been a waste.
I supported both until they allowed "Except for when in conflicts with sharia" to be put into both constitutions. I knew then that it had all been a waste.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (rp9xB)
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NeoCons only care about global order and global culture. And they are closet Marxists.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (2qHjF)
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Ol' Chas is past his due date.
Time to put him out to pasture.
Posted by: Rick in SK at July 13, 2017 05:29 PM (FZYNt)
Yup.....We need Walter Sobchak to pay old Chuck a visit.
Just roll away, Chuck, just roll away.
Time to put him out to pasture.
Posted by: Rick in SK at July 13, 2017 05:29 PM (FZYNt)
Yup.....We need Walter Sobchak to pay old Chuck a visit.
Just roll away, Chuck, just roll away.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (nZ8zz)
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I don't exactly know what is happening in NY, Washington DC, LA, and all the other "important cities full of important people" but I hope their meltdown continues.
I thought they were all crazy. Electing Donny Two Scoops has proved that they all are absolutely fucking nuts.
I thought they were all crazy. Electing Donny Two Scoops has proved that they all are absolutely fucking nuts.
Posted by: rd at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (4dz1m)
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Max Boot. born in Russia. never served. fuck you in your warmongering ass Max. fuck right off.
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (nFwvY)
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If you're not willing to serve, and you're not willing for a large chunk of your wealth to serve in your stead, then
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F
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Posted by: SFGoth at July 13, 2017 05:28 PM (dZ756)
I'm good with all that. Well said.
But I also insist on this ... fuck the draft. Fuck these undeclared wars. If We The People don't volunteer in sufficient numbers - sorry CiC, no war for you. We don't think it's worth it. And if you can't even bother going through the Constitutional process of getting a declaration ? I guess it wasn't all that important anyway.
S
T
F
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Posted by: SFGoth at July 13, 2017 05:28 PM (dZ756)
I'm good with all that. Well said.
But I also insist on this ... fuck the draft. Fuck these undeclared wars. If We The People don't volunteer in sufficient numbers - sorry CiC, no war for you. We don't think it's worth it. And if you can't even bother going through the Constitutional process of getting a declaration ? I guess it wasn't all that important anyway.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (R/01c)
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be happy with containment by secular dictators
Its not moral, its pragmatic
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:34 PM (hPBW1)
Amen
Its not moral, its pragmatic
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:34 PM (hPBW1)
Amen
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (SjImc)
150
I grow more and more convinced that the nevertrumpers had some kind of brain aneurysms. They argued that the choice wasn't binary and they STILL are going after Trump to prove their insanity of siding with the far left was the better idea. They're fucking insane.
Posted by: dagny at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (wQp4D)
Pretty much. Something snapped in them and I can't completely get my head around it.
Posted by: dagny at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (wQp4D)
Pretty much. Something snapped in them and I can't completely get my head around it.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 13, 2017 05:37 PM (0mRoj)
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149 be happy with containment by secular dictators
Its not moral, its pragmatic
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:34 PM (hPBW1)
Amen
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (SjImc)
Yep.
Its not moral, its pragmatic
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:34 PM (hPBW1)
Amen
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (SjImc)
Yep.
Posted by: kraken at July 13, 2017 05:37 PM (zSVEm)
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"Hey maybe Russia is on the right side in Syria and Assad aint that bad"
-wow, russia cheerlead much?
"um, no"
-so, you're cool with Russia and Iran?
"what? No...what's that got to do wit..."
-this is like cheering on hitler before WWII.
"a lot of libs did"
-wow, russia cheerlead much?
"um, no"
-so, you're cool with Russia and Iran?
"what? No...what's that got to do wit..."
-this is like cheering on hitler before WWII.
"a lot of libs did"
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 13, 2017 05:37 PM (AU4SY)
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I grow more and more convinced that the nevertrumpers had some kind of brain aneurysms. They argued that the choice wasn't binary and they STILL are going after Trump to prove their insanity of siding with the far left was the better idea. They're fucking insane.
Posted by: dagny at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (wQp4D)
Yup
Posted by: dagny at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (wQp4D)
Yup
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 13, 2017 05:38 PM (SjImc)
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The US could be a much greater force for good in the world, and at lower cost if we unleashed ourselves from the stupid ROEs we've set.
Look at what has happened to ISIS, with trivial American costs incurred, once we actually started fighting them.
But of course we should weight the costs and benefits of any perspective intervention.
Look at what has happened to ISIS, with trivial American costs incurred, once we actually started fighting them.
But of course we should weight the costs and benefits of any perspective intervention.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 13, 2017 05:39 PM (eSx+E)
155
Lots of us were supporters of the war in Iraq. Some of us have figured out, with all the 20 freakin' 20 hindsight we've been treated to, lo this past decade plus, we would have been better off as a nation, had we never gone.
If you go on tv, and claim to be an expert, and you can't acknowledge this? Then yeah, no. I have no use for you.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2017 05:15 PM (TOk1P)
I was against it before it even started. Some people I know were surprised. Figured I was all rah rah for war. I was against the Patriot Act too because I knew it would be expanded and used for nefarious purposes.
I was against it because I knew, based on history going back to Korea, that we wouldn't really fight to win decisively. And that's exactly what happened.
Afghanistan is a losing cause too. No one has been able to beat those savages into submission. Best to just make sure no one from that country is allowed into the US. If they attack an overseas US target, bomb as necessary including and especially civilians and the families of people involved in the attack.
Absolutely critical though is not allowing them anywhere near the US.
If you go on tv, and claim to be an expert, and you can't acknowledge this? Then yeah, no. I have no use for you.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2017 05:15 PM (TOk1P)
I was against it before it even started. Some people I know were surprised. Figured I was all rah rah for war. I was against the Patriot Act too because I knew it would be expanded and used for nefarious purposes.
I was against it because I knew, based on history going back to Korea, that we wouldn't really fight to win decisively. And that's exactly what happened.
Afghanistan is a losing cause too. No one has been able to beat those savages into submission. Best to just make sure no one from that country is allowed into the US. If they attack an overseas US target, bomb as necessary including and especially civilians and the families of people involved in the attack.
Absolutely critical though is not allowing them anywhere near the US.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2017 05:39 PM (4ErVI)
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At some time during his career, Peters must have volunteered for Big Atmy's LSD experiments. That's the only thing that would explain an otherwise solid GO going nutcake.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 13, 2017 05:39 PM (TE03o)
157
But I also insist on this ... fuck the draft. Fuck
these undeclared wars. If We The People don't volunteer in sufficient
numbers - sorry CiC, no war for you. We don't think it's worth it. And
if you can't even bother going through the Constitutional process of
getting a declaration ? I guess it wasn't all that important anyway.
Posted by: ScoggDog
I agree with that too! No more undeclared wars. If we can't get enough senators to, on the record and by name, vote "yes to war", then no war.
these undeclared wars. If We The People don't volunteer in sufficient
numbers - sorry CiC, no war for you. We don't think it's worth it. And
if you can't even bother going through the Constitutional process of
getting a declaration ? I guess it wasn't all that important anyway.
Posted by: ScoggDog
I agree with that too! No more undeclared wars. If we can't get enough senators to, on the record and by name, vote "yes to war", then no war.
Posted by: SFGoth at July 13, 2017 05:39 PM (dZ756)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:39 PM (hPBW1)
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In many of the "conflicts" in the Middle East there is nor right or wrong, or moral approach....there is only American National Interests and those of our "True" Allies. The rest is just intellectual masturbation
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 13, 2017 05:39 PM (SjImc)
Posted by: Under Fire at July 13, 2017 05:40 PM (mcI77)
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143 Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:34 PM (hPBW1)
I supported both until IDIOTS IN CHARGE, PROFESSIONAL STATESMEN ALL allowed "Except for when in conflicts with sharia" to be put into both constitutions. I knew then that it had all been a waste.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (rp9xB)
I supported both until IDIOTS IN CHARGE, PROFESSIONAL STATESMEN ALL allowed "Except for when in conflicts with sharia" to be put into both constitutions. I knew then that it had all been a waste.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (rp9xB)
Posted by: rd at July 13, 2017 05:40 PM (4dz1m)
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"Hey maybe Russia is on the right side in Syria and Assad aint that bad"
***
Obama's creation and support for ISIS was a real low point for America. It is the first time I can think of where, yes, Russia has a more morally based foreign policy then America did.
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Obama's creation and support for ISIS was a real low point for America. It is the first time I can think of where, yes, Russia has a more morally based foreign policy then America did.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 13, 2017 05:40 PM (eSx+E)
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138 >>I remember when we armed and actively supported the Muslim Afghans against the Soviets.
And then left.
Posted by: JackStraw
***
well, IIRC, we supported the mujahedien and the Sauds did the muslims stuff. 50-50 financing.
and of course, we're talking about shit from nearly 40 years ago. Things may have been overtaken by events since then.
It's like, I'm sure most Frenchies had benign to meh feelings about ze Germans. Until they invaded. duh.
And then left.
Posted by: JackStraw
***
well, IIRC, we supported the mujahedien and the Sauds did the muslims stuff. 50-50 financing.
and of course, we're talking about shit from nearly 40 years ago. Things may have been overtaken by events since then.
It's like, I'm sure most Frenchies had benign to meh feelings about ze Germans. Until they invaded. duh.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 13, 2017 05:40 PM (AU4SY)
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So GAINZZZ update. I was suppose to take a day off but instead I decided to change things up. I started out going 4 miles and over 1000 body weight squats. Then I decided to try going to the gym to do the shoulders part of my workout. I continued the trend of working backwards/in reverse. So left at 10:30am and got home around 4pm. I crushed it today. I may go in reverse/backwards more to make sure I get those miles and body squats in.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 13, 2017 05:40 PM (2qHjF)
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Speaking of lefties and their TDS - the bitching in the office today was about how Trump greeted Mrs. Macron - his handshake was all wrong, the cheek smooching all wrong; why can't he get any of this right? Another dimwit chimed in well, he need some distraction from everything else going on.
I sat in my office and just rolled my eyes.
I sat in my office and just rolled my eyes.
Posted by: IC at July 13, 2017 05:40 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: steevy at July 13, 2017 05:40 PM (rmVvL)
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I don't like the "chicken hawk" thing since it's just meant to stifle discussion, like calling someone a racist, sexist, bigot, etc. This was a favorite slur of Michael Moore's BTW. One doesn't have to have military service to have a legitimate opinion regarding the wisdom or efficacy of taking military action. On the other hand, blindly screaming for war at every opportunity just makes you look like a jackass.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 13, 2017 05:41 PM (0mRoj)
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162 "Hey maybe Russia is on the right side in Syria and Assad aint that bad"
***
Obama's creation and support for ISIS was a real low point for America. It is the first time I can think of where, yes, Russia has a more morally based foreign policy then America did.
Posted by: 18-1
*********
whoa.
wow. It's the current year. You cant' just say that. I mean, you can call normies "worse than hitler" all day long but you can't say *that*
***
Obama's creation and support for ISIS was a real low point for America. It is the first time I can think of where, yes, Russia has a more morally based foreign policy then America did.
Posted by: 18-1
*********
whoa.
wow. It's the current year. You cant' just say that. I mean, you can call normies "worse than hitler" all day long but you can't say *that*
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 13, 2017 05:41 PM (AU4SY)
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I'm a 'help our friend, hurt our enemies' kind of guy, personally.
I also like hamburgers.
No linkage there, just wishing it was quitting time.
I also like hamburgers.
No linkage there, just wishing it was quitting time.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 13, 2017 05:41 PM (3OIiX)
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I agree with that too! No more undeclared wars. If we can't get enough
senators to, on the record and by name, vote "yes to war", then no war.
***
Yep. It is part of the problem too.
If we are at way with Iraq, let's declare it and start level bombing Fallujah.
If we aren't at war with them why would we send 250K soldiers into the country.
senators to, on the record and by name, vote "yes to war", then no war.
***
Yep. It is part of the problem too.
If we are at way with Iraq, let's declare it and start level bombing Fallujah.
If we aren't at war with them why would we send 250K soldiers into the country.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 13, 2017 05:41 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:41 PM (hPBW1)
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Sure, Islam takes the place of the "gang" in prison. Christianity doesn't really have anything comparable, other than the priesthood. And that is so boring, because it requires rigor and study and effort, which is certainly poison to yer' average inmate. We need more mafia. It's just that simple. All of these foreign-based gangs and ideologies are just pushing our very own home grown mafia-Christians into the margins. Nice work, you communist justice department pukes!
Posted by: goon at July 13, 2017 05:41 PM (EaQ6/)
Posted by: Fritz at July 13, 2017 05:42 PM (sMZCb)
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Tucker ripping Cheeto Beck to shreds would give me unmentionable joy."
Today's Beck would start in on how he used to have anger and bitterness in his heart, but then the Angel Moroni stood over him and sprinkled him with a Golden Shower of Love and Understanding, and his life's mission now is to bring peace and harmony and unicorns to the universe.
And then he would get out a chalkboard and diagram the square root of the unicorn/skittle coefficient.
And Tucker would just sit their with his mouth open and finally say 'oooooo-kay."
Tucker ripping Cheeto Beck to shreds would give me unmentionable joy."
Today's Beck would start in on how he used to have anger and bitterness in his heart, but then the Angel Moroni stood over him and sprinkled him with a Golden Shower of Love and Understanding, and his life's mission now is to bring peace and harmony and unicorns to the universe.
And then he would get out a chalkboard and diagram the square root of the unicorn/skittle coefficient.
And Tucker would just sit their with his mouth open and finally say 'oooooo-kay."
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2017 05:42 PM (OmOvC)
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greater force for good in the world, and at lower cost if we unleashed ourselves from the stupid ROEs we've set.
Look at what has happened to ISIS, with trivial American costs incurred, once we actually started fighting them.
But of course we should weight the costs and benefits of any perspective intervention.
Posted by: 18-1 at July
meh, the military ROE are nothing compared to the economic ROE that barack and his fellow travelers have yoked us with.
Unleash the full measure of American ingenuity and creativity and stand back.
Look at what has happened to ISIS, with trivial American costs incurred, once we actually started fighting them.
But of course we should weight the costs and benefits of any perspective intervention.
Posted by: 18-1 at July
meh, the military ROE are nothing compared to the economic ROE that barack and his fellow travelers have yoked us with.
Unleash the full measure of American ingenuity and creativity and stand back.
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 13, 2017 05:42 PM (0wem/)
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>>>Peters must have volunteered for Big Atmy's LSD experiments. That's the only thing that would explain an otherwise solid GO going nutcake.
Peters isn't a GO
Peters isn't a GO
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 13, 2017 05:43 PM (fMidn)
177
If We The People don't volunteer in sufficient
numbers - sorry CiC, no war for you. We don't think it's worth it. And
if you can't even bother going through the Constitutional process of
getting a declaration ? I guess it wasn't all that important anyway.
Posted by: ScoggDog
I agree with that too! No more undeclared wars. If we can't get enough senators to, on the record and by name, vote "yes to war", then no war.
Posted by: SFGoth at July 13, 2017 05:39 PM (dZ756)
NO Way! The LAST thing I want is Congress involved in anything till those fuckers can actually pass a budget or do anything...they are more useless than tits on a bull.
numbers - sorry CiC, no war for you. We don't think it's worth it. And
if you can't even bother going through the Constitutional process of
getting a declaration ? I guess it wasn't all that important anyway.
Posted by: ScoggDog
I agree with that too! No more undeclared wars. If we can't get enough senators to, on the record and by name, vote "yes to war", then no war.
Posted by: SFGoth at July 13, 2017 05:39 PM (dZ756)
NO Way! The LAST thing I want is Congress involved in anything till those fuckers can actually pass a budget or do anything...they are more useless than tits on a bull.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 13, 2017 05:43 PM (SjImc)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:43 PM (hPBW1)
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139 There are no good guys to take over and make iraq, iran, syria or libya work
MIGA
Make Iraq Great Again
Posted by: Sunni Scalp Weasel at July 13, 2017 05:35 PM (FZYNt)
Good guys? No, a good guy won't last five minutes in those sewers.
There likely is someone around, probably a general or a warlord type, who could do the job. He'll kill a fuckton of people consolidating his gains, but he'll get control over the situation. The trick is to not step in and "help" while he's doing it. Keep it within the borders and make it clear we'll nuke his ass if he tries to pull a Saddam.
MIGA
Make Iraq Great Again
Posted by: Sunni Scalp Weasel at July 13, 2017 05:35 PM (FZYNt)
Good guys? No, a good guy won't last five minutes in those sewers.
There likely is someone around, probably a general or a warlord type, who could do the job. He'll kill a fuckton of people consolidating his gains, but he'll get control over the situation. The trick is to not step in and "help" while he's doing it. Keep it within the borders and make it clear we'll nuke his ass if he tries to pull a Saddam.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2017 05:43 PM (4ErVI)
180
So fuck these guys in particular
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:39 PM (hPBW1)
I'm absolutely serious ...
... we could pick 52 posters here that, collectively, would do a better job than the Senate Republicans.
I mean that.
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:39 PM (hPBW1)
I'm absolutely serious ...
... we could pick 52 posters here that, collectively, would do a better job than the Senate Republicans.
I mean that.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 13, 2017 05:43 PM (R/01c)
181
Ah Max Boot, the fervent Never Trumper who then whined after Trump won that Trump wasn't picking people like him for policy slots.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 13, 2017 05:44 PM (J70i0)
182
meh, the military ROE are nothing compared to the economic ROE that barack and his fellow travelers have yoked us with.
***
hey at least we don't have to fund Greeks retiring at 40 with full disability.
Oh right, we're just giving EITC refunds to illegals and free healtch care.
***
hey at least we don't have to fund Greeks retiring at 40 with full disability.
Oh right, we're just giving EITC refunds to illegals and free healtch care.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 13, 2017 05:44 PM (AU4SY)
183
To give Ralph Peters credit, he withdrew the comparison to Hitler apologists.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 13, 2017 05:44 PM (0ecq3)
184
The foreign policy of the Uniparty and NeverTrumpers has been set for decades with Russia always as an endgame. Lots of money these NeverTrumper fucksticks gained to make with a hot war with Russia.
They are also insane.
They are also insane.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 13, 2017 05:44 PM (2qHjF)
185
Iraq was the right thing to do. If not for Obama , the region would look totally different today. Saddam Hussein /Iraq is not another Kim Jong Un / North Korea precisely because we didn't let it .
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 13, 2017 05:44 PM (bwBxJ)
186
Because I do not watch TV, I have nothing to add beyond saying I just want to live in a country where government at all levels keeps their corrupt snouts out of my life.
Posted by: colfax mingo at July 13, 2017 05:44 PM (DrjYG)
187
I remember when we armed and actively supported the Muslim Afghans against the Soviets.
***
To be clear, the US support was around Ahmed Shah Masood and his allies. They would become the Afghan government after defeating the Soviet puppet state.
The Taliban in turn, with support from Pakistan, would overthrow Masood's government when Bill Clinton stopped giving them military aid.
The day before 9/11 Al Qaeda assassinated Masood because they understood 9/11 would have us giving him support again.
Because of the we supported the North Alliance, which was basically the remnants of Masood's government, but there was no one with the abilities of Masood to put it together into a coherent, anti-Salafist government.
***
To be clear, the US support was around Ahmed Shah Masood and his allies. They would become the Afghan government after defeating the Soviet puppet state.
The Taliban in turn, with support from Pakistan, would overthrow Masood's government when Bill Clinton stopped giving them military aid.
The day before 9/11 Al Qaeda assassinated Masood because they understood 9/11 would have us giving him support again.
Because of the we supported the North Alliance, which was basically the remnants of Masood's government, but there was no one with the abilities of Masood to put it together into a coherent, anti-Salafist government.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 13, 2017 05:45 PM (eSx+E)
188
Tucker's expressions alone are worth watching him.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 13, 2017 05:45 PM (aMlLZ)
189
I like Tucker's new show. I have to admit, I've been wrong about him. I had recalled him as being milktoast and I have some problems with the Daily Caller, but he's doing good work.
Good on him.
Good on him.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 13, 2017 05:45 PM (3OIiX)
190
23 Bush era neocons... as useless and irrelevant as MC Hammer and the 1991 Atlanta Falcons.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2017 05:06 PM (TOk1P)
You call this useless?
Na nana nah. nantnah, nantnah.
Can't Touch This.
Hammertime
OH oh, Ohoh. OH oh, Ohoh.
Can't touch this.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2017 05:06 PM (TOk1P)
You call this useless?
Na nana nah. nantnah, nantnah.
Can't Touch This.
Hammertime
OH oh, Ohoh. OH oh, Ohoh.
Can't touch this.
Posted by: MC Hammer at July 13, 2017 05:46 PM (A3b6q)
191
It's hard to know what the Middle East would like today if Fredo had not fucked it up beyond all recognition...with a little help from Bush/Powell. But mostly Fredo
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 13, 2017 05:46 PM (SjImc)
192
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 13, 2017 05:45 PM (aMlLZ)
Hey, I played some guitar today. I got blistahs on my fingahs!
Hey, I played some guitar today. I got blistahs on my fingahs!
Posted by: Insomniac at July 13, 2017 05:46 PM (0mRoj)
193
The Shep jokes have been flying under the Radar, but each one gets funnier than the last.
Posted by: Max Power at July 13, 2017 05:46 PM (q177U)
194
Too legit to quit!
Posted by: MC Hammer at July 13, 2017 05:46 PM (A3b6q)
195
50 Really,what is it about Trump that causes so many people to go nuts?Is it the scalp weasel??
------------
It's the braggadocio, the bravado, the locker room insults. The fact that he is right, makes it all the more insulting. And the man is vulgar. Can't have that.
Posted by: Nickel Ni Lamenov at July 13, 2017 05:13 PM (m9X4Y)
-----------
Trump's a brawler, a mauler, and usually much taller.
50 Really,what is it about Trump that causes so many people to go nuts?Is it the scalp weasel??
------------
It's the braggadocio, the bravado, the locker room insults. The fact that he is right, makes it all the more insulting. And the man is vulgar. Can't have that.
Posted by: Nickel Ni Lamenov at July 13, 2017 05:13 PM (m9X4Y)
-----------
Trump's a brawler, a mauler, and usually much taller.
Posted by: Soona at July 13, 2017 05:46 PM (Fmupd)
196
173 If you disagree with me you are a poopyhead.
Full stop. *mic drop* Bitches.
Posted by: Fritz at July 13, 2017 05:42 PM (sMZCb)
Okay, which of you is going to come over here and clean up this vodka-snort off of my keyboard?!
Full stop. *mic drop* Bitches.
Posted by: Fritz at July 13, 2017 05:42 PM (sMZCb)
Okay, which of you is going to come over here and clean up this vodka-snort off of my keyboard?!
Posted by: goon at July 13, 2017 05:46 PM (EaQ6/)
197
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 13, 2017 05:40 PM (2qHjF)
You were in the gym from 10;30 until 4:00? Wow.
You were in the gym from 10;30 until 4:00? Wow.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2017 05:46 PM (iVOAv)
198
Peters gets no credit from me
When asked who rules after Assad, it was obvious HE NEVER THOUGHT OF IT
And then blurted out "the Kurds "
Hes a joke. An old man yelling at the sky
Peters gets no credit from me
When asked who rules after Assad, it was obvious HE NEVER THOUGHT OF IT
And then blurted out "the Kurds "
Hes a joke. An old man yelling at the sky
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:47 PM (hPBW1)
199
>>Is anyone else having trouble with YouTube?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette
Yeah, they still have video of us lip syncing. The shame never goes away.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette
Yeah, they still have video of us lip syncing. The shame never goes away.
Posted by: Milli Vanilli at July 13, 2017 05:47 PM (/Nite)
200
I'm absolutely serious ...
... we could pick 52 posters here that, collectively, would do a better job than the Senate Republicans.
I mean that.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 13, 2017 05:43 PM (R/01c)
And you would be right.
... we could pick 52 posters here that, collectively, would do a better job than the Senate Republicans.
I mean that.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 13, 2017 05:43 PM (R/01c)
And you would be right.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 13, 2017 05:47 PM (aMlLZ)
201
News, somewhere, Breitbart probably, that it was Iran and their Shia Militias that liberated Mosul.
That has been the trend, and the fear, since before Bush left public office.
That has been the trend, and the fear, since before Bush left public office.
Posted by: Nickel Ni Lamenov at July 13, 2017 05:47 PM (m9X4Y)
202
So we're all Trumpsters now?
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 13, 2017 05:47 PM (+7/1f)
203
sure, wingnutz, go off and fight a war. Meanwhile, we'll stuff the teachers unions with a bunch of pinkos who are really into questioning gender.
wingnutz go to GOP, do something about these perverts teaching out kids.
What does the GOP do? Oh, we can't fight them, the left will label us anti-teacher and we'll lose the moderates to the white walker army.
now wingnutz are worse than hitler if they think their boys should play with toy guyns not barbies.
wingnutz go to GOP, do something about these perverts teaching out kids.
What does the GOP do? Oh, we can't fight them, the left will label us anti-teacher and we'll lose the moderates to the white walker army.
now wingnutz are worse than hitler if they think their boys should play with toy guyns not barbies.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 13, 2017 05:48 PM (AU4SY)
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164 My weightlifting routine is get out of bed in the morning and pour 2 cups of water in the coffee maker.
Posted by: dantesed at July 13, 2017 05:48 PM (88xKn)
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It has GOT to be the haircut. He should butch it first thing in the morning and just destroy 99% of their ammo in that moment. And then tweet about it and make them all go and kill themselves.
Posted by: goon at July 13, 2017 05:49 PM (EaQ6/)
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So we're all Trumpsters now?
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 13, 2017 05:47 PM (+7/1f)
I am in a sense, yes for the same reason I voted for him...I hate the left and the RINOs more than I hate the National League
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 13, 2017 05:47 PM (+7/1f)
I am in a sense, yes for the same reason I voted for him...I hate the left and the RINOs more than I hate the National League
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 13, 2017 05:49 PM (SjImc)
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I used to run the soundboard/screen calls (if I wanted to get pretentious I would say I "produced") for a regional political talk show on AM radio.
We would run into this quite frequently, where a caller just wanted to talk over the hosts rather than have an actual dialogue. I rigged up what essentially amounted to a cough button that the hosts could press in the studio and it would cut the feed from the caller, unbeknownst to the caller.
We would have a blast with some of the rambling idiots like Max Boot. They would start rambling and the hosts would mute them and then mock the caller and make a point or two to the listening audience and then we would occasionally say to the audience "Lets see if this guy has stopped talking yet?" and open the call feed up and sure enough the psychos would still be talking 1 or 2 minutes later, oblivious to the fact that no one was even listening.
This is what Tucker needs, a mute button for these talk-over types.
We would run into this quite frequently, where a caller just wanted to talk over the hosts rather than have an actual dialogue. I rigged up what essentially amounted to a cough button that the hosts could press in the studio and it would cut the feed from the caller, unbeknownst to the caller.
We would have a blast with some of the rambling idiots like Max Boot. They would start rambling and the hosts would mute them and then mock the caller and make a point or two to the listening audience and then we would occasionally say to the audience "Lets see if this guy has stopped talking yet?" and open the call feed up and sure enough the psychos would still be talking 1 or 2 minutes later, oblivious to the fact that no one was even listening.
This is what Tucker needs, a mute button for these talk-over types.
Posted by: Malcolm Tent at July 13, 2017 05:49 PM (bJ71T)
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180 So fuck these guys in particular
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:39 PM (hPBW1)
I'm absolutely serious ...
... we could pick 52 posters here that, collectively, would do a better job than the Senate Republicans.
I mean that.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 13, 2017 05:43 PM (R/01c)
Someone would leak our comments from here, and our porn browser history. The fainting daffodils would have the vapors, and they would never vote for us. They barely voted for Trump.
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:39 PM (hPBW1)
I'm absolutely serious ...
... we could pick 52 posters here that, collectively, would do a better job than the Senate Republicans.
I mean that.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 13, 2017 05:43 PM (R/01c)
Someone would leak our comments from here, and our porn browser history. The fainting daffodils would have the vapors, and they would never vote for us. They barely voted for Trump.
Posted by: rd at July 13, 2017 05:49 PM (4dz1m)
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Hey, I played some guitar today. I got blistahs on my fingahs!
Posted by: Insomniac at July 13, 2017 05:46 PM (0mRoj)
Very cool. No pain no gain.
I WILL be monitoring your progress btw.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 13, 2017 05:46 PM (0mRoj)
Very cool. No pain no gain.
I WILL be monitoring your progress btw.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 13, 2017 05:49 PM (aMlLZ)
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>>My weightlifting routine is get out of bed in the morning and pour 2 cups of water in the coffee maker.
What do you drink on rest day?
What do you drink on rest day?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 13, 2017 05:49 PM (/tuJf)
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... we could pick 52 posters here that, collectively, would do a better job than the Senate Republicans.
***
A better job of implementing conservative policies, or a better job getting plenty of handouts from various Republican clients?
Because the latter is what most of those 52 Republican senators are focused on anyway...
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A better job of implementing conservative policies, or a better job getting plenty of handouts from various Republican clients?
Because the latter is what most of those 52 Republican senators are focused on anyway...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 13, 2017 05:49 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: Rick James at July 13, 2017 05:50 PM (toi7g)
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Jeez, I hope Peters and Boot don't look to closely into that "Uncle Joe" Stalin guy (and that whole Soviet Union country) that FDR had us lackeying for in WWII. Turns out that he/it was not of what you might call the most upstanding character.
Posted by: FaCubeItches at July 13, 2017 05:50 PM (rznWS)
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I WILL be monitoring your progress btw.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 13, 2017 05:49 PM (aMlLZ)
That's cool. Accountability is an excellent motivator.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 13, 2017 05:49 PM (aMlLZ)
That's cool. Accountability is an excellent motivator.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 13, 2017 05:50 PM (0mRoj)
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186 Because I do not watch TV, I have nothing to add beyond saying I just want to live in a country where government at all levels keeps their corrupt snouts out of my life.
Posted by: colfax mingo at July 13, 2017 05:44 PM (DrjYG)
Except for the things you want the government to do for you. Unless you want to build your own roads ,sewer systems, parks, flood controls , etc ,etc.
I want the least amount of government possible but I also understand that it's a running battle to get the right balance. No government is anarchy,
Posted by: colfax mingo at July 13, 2017 05:44 PM (DrjYG)
Except for the things you want the government to do for you. Unless you want to build your own roads ,sewer systems, parks, flood controls , etc ,etc.
I want the least amount of government possible but I also understand that it's a running battle to get the right balance. No government is anarchy,
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 13, 2017 05:50 PM (bwBxJ)
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Hey maybe Russia is on the right side in Syria and Assad aint that bad
He's the best choice on a list of truly horrible choices. The problem is he isn't ruthless enough. He waited far too long to deal with his problem and now it's truly a nightmare. His father never would have waited around.
Another problem is getting rid of the rebels. Probably will have to just execute on sight anyone coming across the border to join the anti-Assad movements, including McCain and Graham (I keed). Destroying ISIS will help but it's not the end of it.
Putin's not a good guy. There's a compelling argument that he used his state services to level those apartment buildings in Moscow years ago in order to drum up support for another campaign in Chechnya. And those journalists aren't dropping dead into the gutter by random chance.
But that really isn't my problem. That's up to the Russian people to decide. We're under no requirement to fight Putin because he's a sketchy guy or because muh gay marriage isn't gaining traction over there. I'd rather work with him when it works for us and avoid any sort of situation that could result in dead US soldiers.
He's the best choice on a list of truly horrible choices. The problem is he isn't ruthless enough. He waited far too long to deal with his problem and now it's truly a nightmare. His father never would have waited around.
Another problem is getting rid of the rebels. Probably will have to just execute on sight anyone coming across the border to join the anti-Assad movements, including McCain and Graham (I keed). Destroying ISIS will help but it's not the end of it.
Putin's not a good guy. There's a compelling argument that he used his state services to level those apartment buildings in Moscow years ago in order to drum up support for another campaign in Chechnya. And those journalists aren't dropping dead into the gutter by random chance.
But that really isn't my problem. That's up to the Russian people to decide. We're under no requirement to fight Putin because he's a sketchy guy or because muh gay marriage isn't gaining traction over there. I'd rather work with him when it works for us and avoid any sort of situation that could result in dead US soldiers.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2017 05:50 PM (4ErVI)
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Chocolate milk
Posted by: dantesed at July 13, 2017 05:50 PM (88xKn)
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Posted by: dantesed at July 13, 2017 05:48 PM (88xKn)
Don't discount the crucial part of the routine in which you do numerous lifts moving the cup up to your mouth and back to the table ;^)
Don't discount the crucial part of the routine in which you do numerous lifts moving the cup up to your mouth and back to the table ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2017 05:50 PM (iVOAv)
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"Iraq was the right thing to do."
We had a better pretext at the time for invading Saudi Arabia.
I predicted everything that happened (except for ISIS) and I'm an ignoramus.
We had a better pretext at the time for invading Saudi Arabia.
I predicted everything that happened (except for ISIS) and I'm an ignoramus.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 13, 2017 05:50 PM (+7/1f)
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212 ... we could pick 52 posters here that, collectively, would do a better job than the Senate Republicans.
***
A better job of implementing conservative policies, or a better job getting plenty of handouts from various Republican clients?
++++++++++++++
I'm fine with being overrun with mass immigration as long as Wachovia Bank can charge me 25% interest and not pay taxes on it. Thanks, GOP!
***
A better job of implementing conservative policies, or a better job getting plenty of handouts from various Republican clients?
++++++++++++++
I'm fine with being overrun with mass immigration as long as Wachovia Bank can charge me 25% interest and not pay taxes on it. Thanks, GOP!
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 13, 2017 05:51 PM (AU4SY)
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So we're all Trumpsters now?
***
Well, the choice is Trump or Uniparty National Socialism. And the latter is damn close to taking away our ability to choose...
***
Well, the choice is Trump or Uniparty National Socialism. And the latter is damn close to taking away our ability to choose...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 13, 2017 05:51 PM (eSx+E)
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218 Chocolate milk
Posted by: dantesed at July 13, 2017 05:50 PM (88xKn)
One of life's great simple pleasures.
Posted by: dantesed at July 13, 2017 05:50 PM (88xKn)
One of life's great simple pleasures.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 13, 2017 05:51 PM (0mRoj)
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Hes a joke. An old man yelling at the sky
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:47 PM (hPBW1)
Boot couldn't answer that question either. Both of those guys are simply incompetent.
The end of the Cold War and the unexpectedly easy victory over Iraq in 1991 left the neocons without a guide for policy and a sense of invincibility. So we've spent 25 years thrashing about without any sort of solid policy that the American people agreed to support.
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:47 PM (hPBW1)
Boot couldn't answer that question either. Both of those guys are simply incompetent.
The end of the Cold War and the unexpectedly easy victory over Iraq in 1991 left the neocons without a guide for policy and a sense of invincibility. So we've spent 25 years thrashing about without any sort of solid policy that the American people agreed to support.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 13, 2017 05:52 PM (J70i0)
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Permit me to say that I *Still* believe it was a good and justifiable idea to get rid of Saddam. Of course, the original sin was that we could have done it easily in 1991, and Bush Sr. blew it because the Saudi's and Turks begged him to quit, and he was big on that always do what your (weak and ineffective) allies tell you to do.
All the evils came in when we stayed in both Afghanistan and Iraq and gave ourselves the fantasy that we could turn them into normal, civilized country's. Idiocy. We should have destroyed their military and left, and told them we'd be back if they caused trouble for us again.
That's why I rather favor the "Blow shit up in Syria, who gives a shit what comes next" option. If what comes next is Bad for us, then we can blow that shit up too.
All the evils came in when we stayed in both Afghanistan and Iraq and gave ourselves the fantasy that we could turn them into normal, civilized country's. Idiocy. We should have destroyed their military and left, and told them we'd be back if they caused trouble for us again.
That's why I rather favor the "Blow shit up in Syria, who gives a shit what comes next" option. If what comes next is Bad for us, then we can blow that shit up too.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2017 05:52 PM (OmOvC)
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Max Boot strikes me as a D-K archetype, stunningly stupid and arrogant.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 13, 2017 05:53 PM (P/kVC)
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We arent Trumpsters
Were America Firsters. Americans first
And I dont see alot of point in getting our people killed over there
We arent Trumpsters
Were America Firsters. Americans first
And I dont see alot of point in getting our people killed over there
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:53 PM (hPBW1)
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. I'd rather work with him when it works for us and avoid any sort of situation that could result in dead US soldiers.
***
Putin is a very traditional nationalist autocrat.
America has worked with that type before when it advances our interests before, and there is no reason we can't now either.
It can't be pointed out enough Putin's Russia warned the US about the Boston Bombers. Obama just decided to ignore Russia in this case.
Rivals? Yes. But Russia isn't our enemy in the way the USSR, or ISIS, were/are.
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Putin is a very traditional nationalist autocrat.
America has worked with that type before when it advances our interests before, and there is no reason we can't now either.
It can't be pointed out enough Putin's Russia warned the US about the Boston Bombers. Obama just decided to ignore Russia in this case.
Rivals? Yes. But Russia isn't our enemy in the way the USSR, or ISIS, were/are.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 13, 2017 05:53 PM (eSx+E)
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202 So we're all Trumpsters now?
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 13, 2017 05:47 PM (+7/1f)
I'm not.
I enjoyed his win for two days. Then I started watching him like a hawk - because now he was the next ass-hole in charge. The next problem.
But here's the thing ... he's doing good. Not great - but good.
As of now - I'll vote for him again. But I'll turn on him in a minute if he starts fucking up. I owe him nothing.
But so far ... he's validated my last vote and on-track for one more.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 13, 2017 05:47 PM (+7/1f)
I'm not.
I enjoyed his win for two days. Then I started watching him like a hawk - because now he was the next ass-hole in charge. The next problem.
But here's the thing ... he's doing good. Not great - but good.
As of now - I'll vote for him again. But I'll turn on him in a minute if he starts fucking up. I owe him nothing.
But so far ... he's validated my last vote and on-track for one more.
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Someone would leak our comments from here, and our porn browser history. The fainting daffodils would have the vapors, and they would never vote for us. They barely voted for Trump.
Posted by: rd at July 13, 2017 05:49 PM (4dz1m)
I got more skeletons in my closet than a medieval ossuary. Public service life is no life for the berserkster.
Posted by: rd at July 13, 2017 05:49 PM (4dz1m)
I got more skeletons in my closet than a medieval ossuary. Public service life is no life for the berserkster.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 13, 2017 05:54 PM (aMlLZ)
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Hey, I played some guitar today. I got blistahs on my fingahs!
Posted by: Insomniac at July 13, 2017 05:46 PM (0mRoj)
That's great. It's something you have done well and enjoyed and if you get enough practice you might consider performing at Senior Citizens Centers. They love old songs and hymns too.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 13, 2017 05:46 PM (0mRoj)
That's great. It's something you have done well and enjoyed and if you get enough practice you might consider performing at Senior Citizens Centers. They love old songs and hymns too.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2017 05:54 PM (iVOAv)
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Get flat-wound strings. And play really slowly, for clarity in each note. Hurrying, to reach a goal, especially when you have no callouses, is not, according to Andres, the best course of action.
Posted by: goon at July 13, 2017 05:54 PM (EaQ6/)
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We should have destroyed their military and left, and told them we'd be back if they caused trouble for us again.
No actually we should have destroyed Saddam and his family and his closest allies but leave the Military intact with the warning that if they don't start acting semi-civilized and stop threatening American National interest, then we'd be back for the them and they to can take a dirt nap with Saddam...The Iraqi Military was the ONLY stabilizing force in Iraq...Destroying the Iraqi Military was one of the Biggest mistakes we made
No actually we should have destroyed Saddam and his family and his closest allies but leave the Military intact with the warning that if they don't start acting semi-civilized and stop threatening American National interest, then we'd be back for the them and they to can take a dirt nap with Saddam...The Iraqi Military was the ONLY stabilizing force in Iraq...Destroying the Iraqi Military was one of the Biggest mistakes we made
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 13, 2017 05:55 PM (SjImc)
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No one has been able to beat those savages into submission. Best to just make sure no one from that country is allowed into the US.
Winner. Winner. Filet mignon dinner.
No one has been able to beat those savages into submission. Best to just make sure no one from that country is allowed into the US.
Winner. Winner. Filet mignon dinner.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 13, 2017 05:55 PM (IqV8l)
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191 It's hard to know what the Middle East would like today if Fredo had not fucked it up beyond all recognition...with a little help from Bush/Powell. But mostly Fredo
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 13, 2017 05:46 PM (SjImc)
I believe the big idea in all of it was from Cheney:
The chess game that led to 9-11 wasn't worth playing so Cheney kicked over the chessboard with an eye to go for Iran.
The problem was they let Powell make a move with "You Break it You Bought It" which cost two Knights and a Bishop and then the Democrats during the Bush forced a loss of a rook. We had Iran two moves away from Check when Obama came in and lost the Queen, the other Bishop and the other Rook to nothing but Pawns (the JV team).
Lesson: Rubble don't make trouble and a War is won until the Democrats come in to lose it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 13, 2017 05:46 PM (SjImc)
I believe the big idea in all of it was from Cheney:
The chess game that led to 9-11 wasn't worth playing so Cheney kicked over the chessboard with an eye to go for Iran.
The problem was they let Powell make a move with "You Break it You Bought It" which cost two Knights and a Bishop and then the Democrats during the Bush forced a loss of a rook. We had Iran two moves away from Check when Obama came in and lost the Queen, the other Bishop and the other Rook to nothing but Pawns (the JV team).
Lesson: Rubble don't make trouble and a War is won until the Democrats come in to lose it.
Posted by: Minuteman at July 13, 2017 05:55 PM (A3b6q)
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232 Get flat-wound strings. And play really slowly, for clarity in each note. Hurrying, to reach a goal, especially when you have no callouses, is not, according to Andres, the best course of action.
Posted by: goon at July 13, 2017 05:54 PM (EaQ6/)
Heh. Oh don't I know it. It's been so long I've got virgin fingertips again.
Posted by: goon at July 13, 2017 05:54 PM (EaQ6/)
Heh. Oh don't I know it. It's been so long I've got virgin fingertips again.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 13, 2017 05:56 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:56 PM (hPBW1)
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93 How did Tucker miss invoking Stalin and Churchill into that debate with Peters?
Posted by: Jack Sock
Like Milton Berle in a biggest dick contest, he only pulls out enough to win.
Posted by: Jack Sock
Like Milton Berle in a biggest dick contest, he only pulls out enough to win.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 13, 2017 05:56 PM (0ecq3)
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I'd rather work with him when it works for us and avoid any sort of situation that could result in dead US soldiers.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2017 05:50 PM (4ErVI)
Oh you mean we should view Russia as a competitor where we have common and conflicting interests? Therefore we should work together when possible and seek resolutions to the conflicting areas. Obviously you support dictators and mad men.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2017 05:50 PM (4ErVI)
Oh you mean we should view Russia as a competitor where we have common and conflicting interests? Therefore we should work together when possible and seek resolutions to the conflicting areas. Obviously you support dictators and mad men.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 13, 2017 05:56 PM (J70i0)
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"212
... we could pick 52 posters here that, collectively, would do a better job than the Senate Republicans."
Well that's flattering, but talk about a low bar....
We could pick 52 winos out of the gutters of any major city in the US, and they would have good odds of doing a better job than the Senate Republicans.
... we could pick 52 posters here that, collectively, would do a better job than the Senate Republicans."
Well that's flattering, but talk about a low bar....
We could pick 52 winos out of the gutters of any major city in the US, and they would have good odds of doing a better job than the Senate Republicans.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2017 05:57 PM (OmOvC)
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Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 13, 2017 05:40 PM (2qHjF)
You were in the gym from 10;30 until 4:00? Wow.
Posted by: Fen
No at the park doing my miles and squats until about 130. Then gym from 145 to 4.
I have to get teh GAINZZZ so I can get teh work.
You were in the gym from 10;30 until 4:00? Wow.
Posted by: Fen
No at the park doing my miles and squats until about 130. Then gym from 145 to 4.
I have to get teh GAINZZZ so I can get teh work.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 13, 2017 05:57 PM (2qHjF)
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Man! It's showering like Russian hookers out there!
Posted by: josephistan at July 13, 2017 05:58 PM (7HtZB)
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How did Tucker miss invoking Stalin and Churchill into that debate with Peters? Posted by: Jack Sock
He used Stalin in his debate with Boot
How did Tucker miss invoking Stalin and Churchill into that debate with Peters? Posted by: Jack Sock
He used Stalin in his debate with Boot
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 13, 2017 05:58 PM (lKyWE)
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I have to get teh GAINZZZ so I can get teh work.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 13, 2017 05:57 PM (2qHjF)
You're a stripper?
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 13, 2017 05:57 PM (2qHjF)
You're a stripper?
Posted by: Insomniac at July 13, 2017 05:58 PM (0mRoj)
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Nood
Posted by: IC at July 13, 2017 05:58 PM (a0IVu)
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I have to get teh GAINZZZ so I can get teh work.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 13, 2017 05:57 PM (2qHjF)
What kind of work are you looking for-Do you want to be a personal trainer?
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 13, 2017 05:57 PM (2qHjF)
What kind of work are you looking for-Do you want to be a personal trainer?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2017 05:59 PM (iVOAv)
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244 I have to get teh GAINZZZ so I can get teh work.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 13, 2017 05:57 PM (2qHjF)
You're a stripper?
Posted by: Insomniac at July 13, 2017 05:58 PM (0mRoj)
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Heh.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 13, 2017 05:57 PM (2qHjF)
You're a stripper?
Posted by: Insomniac at July 13, 2017 05:58 PM (0mRoj)
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Heh.
Posted by: SMFH at July 13, 2017 05:59 PM (s5Kql)
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Tucker did Max Boot a favor by putting him on air. Just let that's clowns fade.
Posted by: Jean at July 13, 2017 05:59 PM (9TU00)
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What kind of work are you looking for-Do you want to be a personal trainer?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2017 05:59 PM (iVOAv)
Or the Men from Down Under group act in Vegas. Those guys are ripped.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2017 05:59 PM (iVOAv)
Or the Men from Down Under group act in Vegas. Those guys are ripped.
Posted by: IC at July 13, 2017 06:00 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: colfax mingo at July 13, 2017 06:00 PM (DrjYG)
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One morning squat andi'm good for the whole day
One morning squat andi'm good for the whole day
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 13, 2017 06:00 PM (lKyWE)
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Heh. Oh don't I know it. It's been so long I've got virgin fingertips again.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 13, 2017 05:56 PM (0mRoj)
Yep. It's a heartbreak, but one day ya' wake up and say, "I'm never going to be Julian Bream, no matter how hard I try." Sigh...
Heh. Oh don't I know it. It's been so long I've got virgin fingertips again.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 13, 2017 05:56 PM (0mRoj)
Yep. It's a heartbreak, but one day ya' wake up and say, "I'm never going to be Julian Bream, no matter how hard I try." Sigh...
Posted by: goon at July 13, 2017 06:01 PM (EaQ6/)
Posted by: Under Fire at July 13, 2017 06:02 PM (mcI77)
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There likely is someone around, probably a general
or a warlord type, who could do the job. He'll kill a fuckton of people
consolidating his gains, but he'll get control over the situation. The
trick is to not step in and "help" while he's doing it. Keep it within
the borders and make it clear we'll nuke his ass if he tries to pull a
Saddam. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2017 05:43 PM (4ErVI)
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Egypt. Surviving and rebuilding after the MuzzyBro fiasco.
or a warlord type, who could do the job. He'll kill a fuckton of people
consolidating his gains, but he'll get control over the situation. The
trick is to not step in and "help" while he's doing it. Keep it within
the borders and make it clear we'll nuke his ass if he tries to pull a
Saddam. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2017 05:43 PM (4ErVI)
=====
Egypt. Surviving and rebuilding after the MuzzyBro fiasco.
Posted by: mustbequantum at July 13, 2017 06:02 PM (MIKMs)
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Another problem is getting rid of the rebels. Probably will have to just execute on sight anyone coming across the border to join the anti-Assad movements, including McCain and Graham (I keed). Destroying ISIS will help but it's not the end of it.
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How about just bottling up everyone over there for about fifty or one hundred years?
Keep trading things like food and oil. Everyone born there stays there. We send all the refugees back too. Poor Dears Need college? We have the internet and streaming live video. You can too.
I would even allow exceptions for the Hadj, and diplomats. But that is it.
Kill each other, blow each other up. I don't care. You try to bring it to others? We will blow you up.
We can do this now. We no longer NEED THEIR OIL!!!
Thank you Frackers!
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How about just bottling up everyone over there for about fifty or one hundred years?
Keep trading things like food and oil. Everyone born there stays there. We send all the refugees back too. Poor Dears Need college? We have the internet and streaming live video. You can too.
I would even allow exceptions for the Hadj, and diplomats. But that is it.
Kill each other, blow each other up. I don't care. You try to bring it to others? We will blow you up.
We can do this now. We no longer NEED THEIR OIL!!!
Thank you Frackers!
Posted by: rd at July 13, 2017 06:02 PM (4dz1m)
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That's why I rather favor the "Blow shit up in Syria, who gives a shit what comes next" option. If what comes next is Bad for us, then we can blow that shit up too.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2017 05:52 PM (OmOvC)
We've never had a dog in the Syria fight. They've been a Russian client state for decades. Assad, as ME dictators goes, wasn't too bad. We should have simply watched and maybe pointed out a few ISIS target we would like the Russians to bomb.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2017 05:52 PM (OmOvC)
We've never had a dog in the Syria fight. They've been a Russian client state for decades. Assad, as ME dictators goes, wasn't too bad. We should have simply watched and maybe pointed out a few ISIS target we would like the Russians to bomb.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 13, 2017 06:03 PM (J70i0)
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"I'm absolutely serious... we could pick 52 posters here that, collectively, would do a better job than the Senate Republicans. I mean that."
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 13, 2017 05:43 PM (R/01c)
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And that includes even the sock puppets.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 13, 2017 05:43 PM (R/01c)
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And that includes even the sock puppets.
Posted by: fly gal at July 13, 2017 06:04 PM (8TdcF)
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I was against it because I knew, based on history going back to Korea, that we wouldn't really fight to win decisively. And that's exactly what happened.
Afghanistan is a losing cause too. No one has been able to beat those savages into submission. Best to just make sure no one from that country is allowed into the US. If they attack an overseas US target, bomb as necessary including and especially civilians and the families of people involved in the attack.
Absolutely critical though is not allowing them anywhere near the US.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2017 05:39 PM (4ErVI)
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Just like "shock and awe". It was neither. I'm with most people here. Let's declare war and then give them remorseless, unrelenting, totally destructive war. Kill them until they have no one else or resources to fight back.
W made the biggest mistake when he told this nation to go about it's business normally instead of mobilizing the nation to completely eradicate the threat that gave us 9/11.
So what happened? Vietnam all over again as soon as the dems wrested back the power.
Afghanistan is a losing cause too. No one has been able to beat those savages into submission. Best to just make sure no one from that country is allowed into the US. If they attack an overseas US target, bomb as necessary including and especially civilians and the families of people involved in the attack.
Absolutely critical though is not allowing them anywhere near the US.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2017 05:39 PM (4ErVI)
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Just like "shock and awe". It was neither. I'm with most people here. Let's declare war and then give them remorseless, unrelenting, totally destructive war. Kill them until they have no one else or resources to fight back.
W made the biggest mistake when he told this nation to go about it's business normally instead of mobilizing the nation to completely eradicate the threat that gave us 9/11.
So what happened? Vietnam all over again as soon as the dems wrested back the power.
Posted by: Soona at July 13, 2017 06:05 PM (Fmupd)
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more than I hate the National League
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 13, 2017 05:49 PM (SjImc)
The DH rule is the spawn of Satan!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 13, 2017 05:49 PM (SjImc)
The DH rule is the spawn of Satan!
Posted by: Old Blue at July 13, 2017 06:05 PM (FAo3p)
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Russia today is still a rival, but not even in the same class as the USSR of the 50's, 60's, and 70's. Back in those days everyone still believed that they were growing, that their economy was working (in retrospect, it probably looked good because they also benefited in the boom of rebuilding their world after the destruction of WW2) They controlled Eastern Europe, China appeared to be on board with them, they claimed that one day they were going to Rule the World and it actually looked like they had a shot at it.
Compare to today - Russia is good at making a lot of noise, but in actual fact they have the economic output of The Netherlands. Demographically, they are Dying. They have lost all the territory that the Czars spent 300 years putting together, and even though they want it back, they can't afford to do it. (Crimea has turned into a huge moneypit for Putin, which may be why he pulled his punches and backed off Ukraine) The Russian military, by every measure except for nuclear missiles, is a faint shadow of the military they had in their glory days.
Putin does a masterful job of playing a very weak hand extremely well, and making all of us pay attention to him. But his country is dying. He knows it, and so should everyone else.
Compare to today - Russia is good at making a lot of noise, but in actual fact they have the economic output of The Netherlands. Demographically, they are Dying. They have lost all the territory that the Czars spent 300 years putting together, and even though they want it back, they can't afford to do it. (Crimea has turned into a huge moneypit for Putin, which may be why he pulled his punches and backed off Ukraine) The Russian military, by every measure except for nuclear missiles, is a faint shadow of the military they had in their glory days.
Putin does a masterful job of playing a very weak hand extremely well, and making all of us pay attention to him. But his country is dying. He knows it, and so should everyone else.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2017 06:08 PM (OmOvC)
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Why all the hate?
OPEN BORDERS, AMNESTY, AND UNLIMITED TRADE
We have denied them their dream.
They thought we'd never figure out they are liars and backstabbers and they are furious.
Listen to their anti trump tirades when they are panelists. The rage somehow always goes from Putin to "free" trade and "comprehensive" immigration reform aka amnesty.
OPEN BORDERS, AMNESTY, AND UNLIMITED TRADE
We have denied them their dream.
They thought we'd never figure out they are liars and backstabbers and they are furious.
Listen to their anti trump tirades when they are panelists. The rage somehow always goes from Putin to "free" trade and "comprehensive" immigration reform aka amnesty.
Posted by: Flowerbelle1 at July 13, 2017 06:09 PM (AkAvN)
Posted by: S at July 13, 2017 06:09 PM (poT2p)
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261 has it. The Goo-Goo-For-Globalist types in their ivory towers, who have nice cheap migrant gardeners and maids to serve them, are utterly out of touch.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 13, 2017 06:11 PM (ujg0T)
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I think that one of my first comments when I got introduced to the AoSHQ ... (I like to think of them as "posts", but they ARE just F*ing comments ...) was something along the lines of NUKE THEM ALL! They've been pretty much ban-threatening me ever since, so I've started drinking more Makers and I have this duct tape, that doesn't taste that bad actually after you get used to it, to keep my fingers strapped to my tongue. It really does still hurt to type, but it's worth it once in awhile to just scream NUKE THEM ALL!
Posted by: goon at July 13, 2017 06:11 PM (EaQ6/)
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These interviews made me so happy.
Posted by: Gman at July 13, 2017 06:11 PM (VXoTW)
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@217: "And those journalists aren't dropping dead into the gutter by random chance."
You talk about dead journalists as if it was a bad thing.
You talk about dead journalists as if it was a bad thing.
Posted by: FaCubeItches at July 13, 2017 06:11 PM (rznWS)
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254 There likely is someone around, probably a general
or a warlord type, who could do the job. He'll kill a fuckton of people
consolidating his gains, but he'll get control over the situation. The
trick is to not step in and "help" while he's doing it. Keep it within
the borders and make it clear we'll nuke his ass if he tries to pull a
Saddam. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2017 05:43 PM (4ErVI)
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Egypt. Surviving and rebuilding after the MuzzyBro fiasco.
Posted by: mustbequantum at July 13, 2017 06:02 PM (MIKMs)
Morsi in Egypt probably killed about as many as Pinochet did in Chile. Because it wasn't open civil war yet.
The next guy in charge of Syria?
He will have to pile them high and stack them deep. The more he kills in the beginning, thr fewer in the long run. And just maybe, Syria won't be anymore. Maybe they need Kurdland, Assadland, and a few other Tribal lands.
The downside, especially if it works, is that Jordan, Iraq, and about ALL the mideast will do the same. The only reason Saudi Arabia exists is that the murderous King decided to marry off his daughters to his rivals, rather than try to exterminate them like they had been doing for hundreds of years.
or a warlord type, who could do the job. He'll kill a fuckton of people
consolidating his gains, but he'll get control over the situation. The
trick is to not step in and "help" while he's doing it. Keep it within
the borders and make it clear we'll nuke his ass if he tries to pull a
Saddam. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2017 05:43 PM (4ErVI)
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Egypt. Surviving and rebuilding after the MuzzyBro fiasco.
Posted by: mustbequantum at July 13, 2017 06:02 PM (MIKMs)
Morsi in Egypt probably killed about as many as Pinochet did in Chile. Because it wasn't open civil war yet.
The next guy in charge of Syria?
He will have to pile them high and stack them deep. The more he kills in the beginning, thr fewer in the long run. And just maybe, Syria won't be anymore. Maybe they need Kurdland, Assadland, and a few other Tribal lands.
The downside, especially if it works, is that Jordan, Iraq, and about ALL the mideast will do the same. The only reason Saudi Arabia exists is that the murderous King decided to marry off his daughters to his rivals, rather than try to exterminate them like they had been doing for hundreds of years.
Posted by: rd at July 13, 2017 06:12 PM (4dz1m)
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The only thing that Joe Biden has said that is true that only an idiot is allow to say:
"It would be better if Iraq was cut into three parts."
Of all the things that he said this is the one thing that had everybody, on both sides, clutching their pearls.
It was never considered on its merits and was dismissed as the musings of a madman.
Apparently there were many of the Powers That Be who saw this statement as a threat to their Global Vision. And it was suppressed mightily.
It was his one and only Trumpian moment.
Trump sets these same people off daily.
"It would be better if Iraq was cut into three parts."
Of all the things that he said this is the one thing that had everybody, on both sides, clutching their pearls.
It was never considered on its merits and was dismissed as the musings of a madman.
Apparently there were many of the Powers That Be who saw this statement as a threat to their Global Vision. And it was suppressed mightily.
It was his one and only Trumpian moment.
Trump sets these same people off daily.
Posted by: Minuteman at July 13, 2017 06:16 PM (A3b6q)
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Two hints:
1) WooHoo, dagny's back! So good to as you!
b) The chickenhawk argument has *always* been bullshit: by that logic, there was ever only *one* Senator who could have a valid opinion on NASA.
1) WooHoo, dagny's back! So good to as you!
b) The chickenhawk argument has *always* been bullshit: by that logic, there was ever only *one* Senator who could have a valid opinion on NASA.
Posted by: ibguy at July 13, 2017 06:16 PM (vUcdz)
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I've started using the term GOP warmonger class instead of NeoCon.
It's just as apt and you avoid the some of the negative aspects of using the term NeoCon.
I've started using the term GOP warmonger class instead of NeoCon.
It's just as apt and you avoid the some of the negative aspects of using the term NeoCon.
Posted by: Kreplach at July 13, 2017 06:18 PM (znMhO)
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"The next guy in charge of Syria."
It's hard to really grasp the enormity of what's been happening, but there is never going to be a "next guy in charge of Syria". As you allude in your post, several something else's will come next - Assad may even stay in power in a rump state focused on Damascus and the the western areas, and it may even call itself "Syria", but it won't be the same thing. Ever. It's just going to be a quasi-feudal area with a patchwork of gangs and local strongmen, a kind of MadMaxistan like Libya has turned into.
What's more, we forget the long term costs of these cities and regions that have been blown up - they're not coming back, those areas are going to be permanently depopulated. There's no infrastructure left to support life, and nobody left willing to pump in what it would take to get it going. We shot our wad in Iraq, and nobody is going to repeat our mistakes.
What's happening in Syria and the Levant seriously has a whole lot in common with what happened to Western Europe after 454 AD. An entire region collapsing into barbarism with localities controlled by local tribes and warlords. Once advanced cities decaying and going back to desert, while the people revert to a neolithic life pattern.
It's hard to really grasp the enormity of what's been happening, but there is never going to be a "next guy in charge of Syria". As you allude in your post, several something else's will come next - Assad may even stay in power in a rump state focused on Damascus and the the western areas, and it may even call itself "Syria", but it won't be the same thing. Ever. It's just going to be a quasi-feudal area with a patchwork of gangs and local strongmen, a kind of MadMaxistan like Libya has turned into.
What's more, we forget the long term costs of these cities and regions that have been blown up - they're not coming back, those areas are going to be permanently depopulated. There's no infrastructure left to support life, and nobody left willing to pump in what it would take to get it going. We shot our wad in Iraq, and nobody is going to repeat our mistakes.
What's happening in Syria and the Levant seriously has a whole lot in common with what happened to Western Europe after 454 AD. An entire region collapsing into barbarism with localities controlled by local tribes and warlords. Once advanced cities decaying and going back to desert, while the people revert to a neolithic life pattern.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2017 06:22 PM (OmOvC)
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149 be happy with containment by secular dictators
Its not moral, its pragmatic
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:34 PM (hPBW1)
Amen
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (SjImc)
I was shot at by Saddam by scud missile during Desert Storm. But I didn't take it personal.
Likewise, I believe removing Qaddafi was not only a crime; it was a blunder.
With Iraqi Freedom W. had pretty much had him trained, and he should have been left alone. Now the lesson is that it doesn't matter whether you are a threat or not you might as well take a swing at the US.
Its not moral, its pragmatic
Posted by: ThunderB at July 13, 2017 05:34 PM (hPBW1)
Amen
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 13, 2017 05:36 PM (SjImc)
I was shot at by Saddam by scud missile during Desert Storm. But I didn't take it personal.
Likewise, I believe removing Qaddafi was not only a crime; it was a blunder.
With Iraqi Freedom W. had pretty much had him trained, and he should have been left alone. Now the lesson is that it doesn't matter whether you are a threat or not you might as well take a swing at the US.
Posted by: Minuteman at July 13, 2017 06:22 PM (A3b6q)
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Posted by: Minuteman at July 13, 2017 06:16 PM (A3b6q)
I think the argument against, one of them anyway, was IRAN WILL TAKE OVER THE SHI'A AREA!
Well, guess what happened when we installed the majority Shi'a as the new leaders of Iraq? Same thing.
Broken into a tripartite state probably would've checked Iran somewhat. They wouldn't control the whole enchilada.
If you want to hold the thing together, you're gonna need another Saddam type strong man to do it. Just make sure he doesn't have Hussein's grandiose dreams of Mideast conquest.
I think the argument against, one of them anyway, was IRAN WILL TAKE OVER THE SHI'A AREA!
Well, guess what happened when we installed the majority Shi'a as the new leaders of Iraq? Same thing.
Broken into a tripartite state probably would've checked Iran somewhat. They wouldn't control the whole enchilada.
If you want to hold the thing together, you're gonna need another Saddam type strong man to do it. Just make sure he doesn't have Hussein's grandiose dreams of Mideast conquest.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2017 06:25 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Under Fire at July 13, 2017 06:28 PM (mcI77)
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Best to just make sure no one from that country is allowed into the US. If they attack an overseas US target, bomb as necessary including and especially civilians and the families of people involved in the attack.
Absolutely critical though is not allowing them anywhere near the US.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2017 05:39 PM (4ErVI)
Think of all the BS we put up with now so that we can enjoy the Multiculturalism manifested by Ted Kennedy's immigration vision:
Fractured culture
A security state (especially in air travel)
A ever growing base that votes itself goodies.
If we could go back to 1965 and not have the immigration driven by liberal guilt this country may not be like 1965 today but it may be more like 1985.
Absolutely critical though is not allowing them anywhere near the US.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2017 05:39 PM (4ErVI)
Think of all the BS we put up with now so that we can enjoy the Multiculturalism manifested by Ted Kennedy's immigration vision:
Fractured culture
A security state (especially in air travel)
A ever growing base that votes itself goodies.
If we could go back to 1965 and not have the immigration driven by liberal guilt this country may not be like 1965 today but it may be more like 1985.
Posted by: Minuteman at July 13, 2017 06:30 PM (A3b6q)
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36 The thing is, Tucker was also a big supporter of the war in Iraq until Obama took over.
Obama took over--and gave up. Which is why we have what we have now.
But more importantly, does the USA have the ability, in terms of willpower and economics, to wage long term occupations anymore?
Sadly, I think not. So all those neo-cons who want to impose Pax Americana had better get real. And I LIKE neocons. I was one once.
But I realize that the USA is just plain OVER-EXTENDED.
Assad is a villian, but better him than ISIS. Let him stay in power.
Obama took over--and gave up. Which is why we have what we have now.
But more importantly, does the USA have the ability, in terms of willpower and economics, to wage long term occupations anymore?
Sadly, I think not. So all those neo-cons who want to impose Pax Americana had better get real. And I LIKE neocons. I was one once.
But I realize that the USA is just plain OVER-EXTENDED.
Assad is a villian, but better him than ISIS. Let him stay in power.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 13, 2017 06:31 PM (ujg0T)
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We could pick 52 winos out of the gutters of any major city in the US, and they would have good odds of doing a better job than the Senate Republicans.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2017 05:57 PM (OmOvC)
Of course they would mostly vote Democrat... OK, I see your point.
We could pick 52 winos out of the gutters of any major city in the US, and they would have good odds of doing a better job than the Senate Republicans.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2017 05:57 PM (OmOvC)
Of course they would mostly vote Democrat... OK, I see your point.
Posted by: rickl at July 13, 2017 06:35 PM (sdi6R)
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"Oh fine ... I say NeoCon and I'm an anti-semetic prick. But Ace says NeoCon ... and it's no big deal."
Yeah, my posts were banned because I said NeoCon.
Yeah, my posts were banned because I said NeoCon.
Posted by: Fuq the Media at July 13, 2017 06:39 PM (oneKX)
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The problem isn't removing evil regimes, the problem is we no longer have the will to impose our will upon the peace, such as how we behaved with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. We failed Afghanistan and subsequently ourselves when we did not fill the vacuum that departing Russia left. Granted it is more difficult today to impose our will on the peace when the leftists in our own government do everything they can to undermine America and our interests.
Posted by: Locke Common at July 13, 2017 06:41 PM (0/O2t)
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So once ISIS is defeated will Trump bring the troops home from Iraq and Syria immediately? He said there was a plan to defeat ISIS in 6 months so that should be this month or next month at least. Then with ISIS defeated everything will be awesome same as how Obama said it would be after Osama was killed.
Posted by: YatYas at July 13, 2017 06:45 PM (xN9Un)
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Those were beautiful. But, damn, every time I see NeverTrumps like these guys I'm amazed at how pathetic they are.
Max Boot's level of argumentation now ranks somewhere below what you see in second-rate cut-and-paste troll invasions. How can he pretend to be a serious voice and yet be taken off guard by an OBVIOUS question about our Soviet alliance during WWII?
I guess that's what happens when you're stuck writing snarky rage-pep-talks for bitter dead-enders who don't like to think much.
Max Boot's level of argumentation now ranks somewhere below what you see in second-rate cut-and-paste troll invasions. How can he pretend to be a serious voice and yet be taken off guard by an OBVIOUS question about our Soviet alliance during WWII?
I guess that's what happens when you're stuck writing snarky rage-pep-talks for bitter dead-enders who don't like to think much.
Posted by: GalosGann at July 13, 2017 06:52 PM (md1b/)
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Tucker Carlson complaining about someone else's moral preening?
Carlson seriously doesn't think Russia is in the top 5 threats we face?
Carlson is upset at being called a quisling, even while calling Boot the ideological twit that Boot is?
I see two arrogant jerks having a contest to see who can say the most absurd things in support of their ideology.
Make that three, as you also have Ralph Peters beclowning himself in an attempt to insist that any coordination with Russia is the same as aligning with Iran.
Carlson seriously doesn't think Russia is in the top 5 threats we face?
Carlson is upset at being called a quisling, even while calling Boot the ideological twit that Boot is?
I see two arrogant jerks having a contest to see who can say the most absurd things in support of their ideology.
Make that three, as you also have Ralph Peters beclowning himself in an attempt to insist that any coordination with Russia is the same as aligning with Iran.
Posted by: Sam at July 13, 2017 07:06 PM (jHN2F)
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Neo-Con / Super Hawks believe:
(1) That all nations are ready to have democratic elections now.
(2) It is always in America's best interests to force other nations to have democratic elections.
(3) That American military forces can stay in some place for a undetermined period of time, while taking causalities, without facing political consequences at home.
(4) Post WWII Germany and Japan is a model of nation building that can be applied everywhere on earth.
(5) If only angry young men had jobs they would be peaceful.
(6) Russia is always evil.
(7) China is trying to be good and therefore we must continue trading with them to make them better.
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International Laws are wonderful.
I am sure they have other stupid beliefs...all of which have been disproved time and again. Sort of like Communism.
(1) That all nations are ready to have democratic elections now.
(2) It is always in America's best interests to force other nations to have democratic elections.
(3) That American military forces can stay in some place for a undetermined period of time, while taking causalities, without facing political consequences at home.
(4) Post WWII Germany and Japan is a model of nation building that can be applied everywhere on earth.
(5) If only angry young men had jobs they would be peaceful.
(6) Russia is always evil.
(7) China is trying to be good and therefore we must continue trading with them to make them better.
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International Laws are wonderful.
I am sure they have other stupid beliefs...all of which have been disproved time and again. Sort of like Communism.
Posted by: William Eaton at July 13, 2017 07:11 PM (MuTTO)
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Obama took over--and gave up. Which is why we have what we have now.
But more importantly, does the USA have the ability, in terms of willpower and economics, to wage long term occupations anymore?
Sadly, I think not. So all those neo-cons who want to impose Pax Americana had better get real. And I LIKE neocons. I was one once.
But I realize that the USA is just plain OVER-EXTENDED.
Assad is a villian, but better him than ISIS. Let him stay in power.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 13, 2017 06:31 PM (ujg0T)
The USA isn't over-extended...the problem is that Americans don't want a military anymore. Congress finds it much easier to bribe the voting public by confiscating more and more money and giving the people crumbs in return rather than doing stupid things like defending the country. The Left wants a government that pampers and babies people because that is how the Left sees government. People who used to care about freedom simply want the United States to stop caring about the Outside World, all the while hoping The Big Bad World will just GO AWAY. Both groups see a soldier, sailor, Airman, or Marine, and their faces fill with blood - products of extreme embarrassment and overwhelming shame.
People may now want a Pax Americana, but the same people who whine that we shouldn't have one, or try, will be shrieking endlessly when that becomes Pax Sinica (or something else), because trust me, that isn't going to be liked very much by a lot of people.
Back when the Brits were on the wane, they at least had the United States to pass the torch to. You may want America to become this little whiny has-been, but ask yourself - who steps up to take its place?
But more importantly, does the USA have the ability, in terms of willpower and economics, to wage long term occupations anymore?
Sadly, I think not. So all those neo-cons who want to impose Pax Americana had better get real. And I LIKE neocons. I was one once.
But I realize that the USA is just plain OVER-EXTENDED.
Assad is a villian, but better him than ISIS. Let him stay in power.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 13, 2017 06:31 PM (ujg0T)
The USA isn't over-extended...the problem is that Americans don't want a military anymore. Congress finds it much easier to bribe the voting public by confiscating more and more money and giving the people crumbs in return rather than doing stupid things like defending the country. The Left wants a government that pampers and babies people because that is how the Left sees government. People who used to care about freedom simply want the United States to stop caring about the Outside World, all the while hoping The Big Bad World will just GO AWAY. Both groups see a soldier, sailor, Airman, or Marine, and their faces fill with blood - products of extreme embarrassment and overwhelming shame.
People may now want a Pax Americana, but the same people who whine that we shouldn't have one, or try, will be shrieking endlessly when that becomes Pax Sinica (or something else), because trust me, that isn't going to be liked very much by a lot of people.
Back when the Brits were on the wane, they at least had the United States to pass the torch to. You may want America to become this little whiny has-been, but ask yourself - who steps up to take its place?
Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at July 13, 2017 07:20 PM (1k+zy)
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Tucker is great.
Posted by: WJ at July 13, 2017 07:44 PM (0JNtm)
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
Posted by: DaveA at July 13, 2017 07:52 PM (FhXTo)
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It's funny how Max Boot can make all kinds of accusations about Tucker's sympathies with Putin and Iran but Max Boot's allegiances are somehow off limits.
Posted by: bjstuggs at July 13, 2017 08:14 PM (lw1lc)
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Personally, I did and still support the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and only regret that we lacked the will to see it through.
Posted by: zincfinger at July 13, 2017 09:19 PM (dwCy9)
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Hey Max and Ralph - do is all a favor, eh? Please, please, please try to peddle this nonsense to the Democrats and on CNN and MSDNC, m'kay?
Can't think of anything else that can save the incompetent GOPe CONgress in 2018 than having the Dems go all war-hawk than that. Plus it would drive their Bernie Brat "Peace-Love-Dope" millennial foot-soldiers bonkers, which is a bonus.
Can't think of anything else that can save the incompetent GOPe CONgress in 2018 than having the Dems go all war-hawk than that. Plus it would drive their Bernie Brat "Peace-Love-Dope" millennial foot-soldiers bonkers, which is a bonus.
Posted by: DocJ at July 13, 2017 09:27 PM (doDYK)
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LBJ said "We are not about to send American boys 9 or 10,000 miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves."
Yet he did. And he had a policy of "Don't Win--but Don't Lose, Either." Which means you've already lost, especially after Democrats went haywire after JFK's assassination. A Communist killed him--and they turned pro-Communist. Same with RFK's Palestinian killer. (And they are even more deranged today.)
But when "Asian boys" were finally left to fight alone, Democrats cut off their weapons.
I've heard Tucker say one thing I disagree with: "We shouldn't send kids to defend the borders of (insert name of ally here)."
First, they're not kids. They are men and women, young--but adults.
Second, we have alliances to prevent wars, not to guard every inch of other countries. If a World War ever broke out, God forbid, America will be in it. Better to prevent it with alliances than wait 'til it spirals out of control. That was Churchill's position in the '30's. Alliances save lives, including American lives.
That said, Tucker es en Fuego!
Yet he did. And he had a policy of "Don't Win--but Don't Lose, Either." Which means you've already lost, especially after Democrats went haywire after JFK's assassination. A Communist killed him--and they turned pro-Communist. Same with RFK's Palestinian killer. (And they are even more deranged today.)
But when "Asian boys" were finally left to fight alone, Democrats cut off their weapons.
I've heard Tucker say one thing I disagree with: "We shouldn't send kids to defend the borders of (insert name of ally here)."
First, they're not kids. They are men and women, young--but adults.
Second, we have alliances to prevent wars, not to guard every inch of other countries. If a World War ever broke out, God forbid, America will be in it. Better to prevent it with alliances than wait 'til it spirals out of control. That was Churchill's position in the '30's. Alliances save lives, including American lives.
That said, Tucker es en Fuego!
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at July 13, 2017 09:59 PM (Ndje9)
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288: Personally, I did and still support the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and only regret that we lacked the will to see it through.
Posted by: zincfinger at July 13, 2017 09:19 PM (dwCy9)
Amen to that. What we were doing in Iraq was as much for our national security as it was to help Iraqis.
Posted by: zincfinger at July 13, 2017 09:19 PM (dwCy9)
Amen to that. What we were doing in Iraq was as much for our national security as it was to help Iraqis.
Posted by: YatYas at July 13, 2017 10:31 PM (xN9Un)
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The One World Governors are real. CFR types. Fuck em all.
Posted by: nip at July 13, 2017 11:23 PM (28rfK)
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Between Hitler, Stalin, Putin and ISIS... Putin is by far the nicest of that bunch. If we could work with Stalin to defeat Hitler, we can certainly work with Putin to defeat ISIS.
Sure, Putin's done some pretty bad shit, and I don't think we should be all buddy-buddy with him. But, come on; have some perspective, here, Boot.
Sure, Putin's done some pretty bad shit, and I don't think we should be all buddy-buddy with him. But, come on; have some perspective, here, Boot.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 14, 2017 12:52 AM (3YxFh)
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The neocon and liberal think-tank sloths need some more boots on the ground at the Pentagon, CIA, to get maps, names to "leak" to the failing nytimes and beezlebubbezoz craving a Pulitzer or two journalist-- to post truthful complete expose'..to sell their pamphlets of hate, fear towards white people,..
page 1-4' first 3 sections are first : lying spin of reality--country club required pint of blood, score 200+ on test applicants must pass b4 published--spelling structure,part affiliation, degree from any Ivy League hostel ,
2..Algebra/aa calculus 101 ( counting tip $$$ to edit Hate/envy
. Fear ...little crime but nothing as harmful to the jackbooted thugs working for SEIU, SOROS, DNCana ORGANIzing 4OBAMA all parade, loud-dirty-threaten ...
3 loser"s trail of tears give way to BLM, any only black. F---everyone else for their white privileged life (even brownies, beige , meLlow yellow or honest raging Cajun or Injun red-tagged.
Only one dimensional, peeps who like living in boxes and hold their hands over their ears, eyes---not the mouth--the boss wrangler cattle prods the silent to repeat the obtuse, banal reasons the democrat party/candidate loses( don't take vas deferens--free strap on if you went. HILLARY TOGETHER T33-shirt--Republicans want you to die--we want sex legal for all warm blooded species , far and equal...plus all the recorrective plastic surgery well need to change into a Stallion from a sheep, oh, and we want to play War dames, too, while USA pays for all of these things--until we want to change back, all expenses --
those children and teenagers waiting for leg braces or life-saving eye/heart surgeries..can just take pills until we've had change to???#3..lastly, for now..people of responsibility, attending best school affordable, working two side jobs and wish to remain a girl or a boy AND attend church regularly. DO. NOT. APPLY ,
You guys will be shunned, put in re-education camps by day and , by gunpoint at night..sex slaves for the status quo idiots in charge of our federal govt agency of "Hate the Brave, Strong, Different by threats--starvation--encampments of bar wire!! DEATH Or DISHONOR Or COMPLY..we run a free-choice company ...hee haw. /s
page 1-4' first 3 sections are first : lying spin of reality--country club required pint of blood, score 200+ on test applicants must pass b4 published--spelling structure,part affiliation, degree from any Ivy League hostel ,
2..Algebra/aa calculus 101 ( counting tip $$$ to edit Hate/envy
. Fear ...little crime but nothing as harmful to the jackbooted thugs working for SEIU, SOROS, DNCana ORGANIzing 4OBAMA all parade, loud-dirty-threaten ...
3 loser"s trail of tears give way to BLM, any only black. F---everyone else for their white privileged life (even brownies, beige , meLlow yellow or honest raging Cajun or Injun red-tagged.
Only one dimensional, peeps who like living in boxes and hold their hands over their ears, eyes---not the mouth--the boss wrangler cattle prods the silent to repeat the obtuse, banal reasons the democrat party/candidate loses( don't take vas deferens--free strap on if you went. HILLARY TOGETHER T33-shirt--Republicans want you to die--we want sex legal for all warm blooded species , far and equal...plus all the recorrective plastic surgery well need to change into a Stallion from a sheep, oh, and we want to play War dames, too, while USA pays for all of these things--until we want to change back, all expenses --
those children and teenagers waiting for leg braces or life-saving eye/heart surgeries..can just take pills until we've had change to???#3..lastly, for now..people of responsibility, attending best school affordable, working two side jobs and wish to remain a girl or a boy AND attend church regularly. DO. NOT. APPLY ,
You guys will be shunned, put in re-education camps by day and , by gunpoint at night..sex slaves for the status quo idiots in charge of our federal govt agency of "Hate the Brave, Strong, Different by threats--starvation--encampments of bar wire!! DEATH Or DISHONOR Or COMPLY..we run a free-choice company ...hee haw. /s
Posted by: PalinbeatsTurdblossom at July 14, 2017 01:16 AM (/qiij)
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"What we were doing in Iraq was as much for our national security as it was to help Iraqis."
I think the Iraq war had two primary causes. One Saddam and the Bush clan had a personal war going on. Two Saddam was undermining the dollar with the Euro. The second part is why Tony Blair was so hot to be involved.
I think the Iraq war had two primary causes. One Saddam and the Bush clan had a personal war going on. Two Saddam was undermining the dollar with the Euro. The second part is why Tony Blair was so hot to be involved.
Posted by: Mudd at July 14, 2017 08:40 AM (cfHE9)
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"to defeat ISIS."
Indications are that the CIA is supporting ISIS (Reality show videos and more). Pentagon is supporting Kurds. President Trump went with the Pentagon.
CIA, FBI, and DNC are all sub-parts of the same organization. Hard to get a handle on the other alphabet agencies because they are more chaotic.
The US is mostly a massive money laundering operation. Look around your location and start counting up the businesses that couldn't possibly be profitable.
Indications are that the CIA is supporting ISIS (Reality show videos and more). Pentagon is supporting Kurds. President Trump went with the Pentagon.
CIA, FBI, and DNC are all sub-parts of the same organization. Hard to get a handle on the other alphabet agencies because they are more chaotic.
The US is mostly a massive money laundering operation. Look around your location and start counting up the businesses that couldn't possibly be profitable.
Posted by: Mudd at July 14, 2017 08:49 AM (cfHE9)
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The USA isn't over-extended...the problem is that Americans don't want a military anymore.
Oh get real. Look at a map of US deployments. More countries than ever before, spread too thin.
Back when the Brits were on the wane, they at least had the United States to pass the torch to. You may want America to become this little whiny has-been, but ask yourself - who steps up to take its place?
Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at July 13, 2017 07:20 PM (1k+zy)
Oh fuck off. You going to send your kids to some debacle a la Bosnia or Somalia?
Oh get real. Look at a map of US deployments. More countries than ever before, spread too thin.
Back when the Brits were on the wane, they at least had the United States to pass the torch to. You may want America to become this little whiny has-been, but ask yourself - who steps up to take its place?
Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at July 13, 2017 07:20 PM (1k+zy)
Oh fuck off. You going to send your kids to some debacle a la Bosnia or Somalia?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 14, 2017 10:53 AM (ujg0T)
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