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Thread below the Gardening Thread: Roman Drama [KT]
House of the Tragic Poet, Pompeii
The current New York production of "Julius Caesar" in which Caesar is portrayed as a Trump-like figure is no ordinary propaganda. Caesar is a particular figure with particular characteristics. Why was he assassinated? Because the assassins thought he had become a tyrant. They met a bad end themselves, as assassins often do, but along the way they felt they were doing Rome a service by ridding it of a dangerous leader. They considered it to be not an assassination, but tyrannicide. . .She goes on to make some interesting comparisons with the theatrical visions of John Wilkes Booth. But she also includes commentary on a writer at HuffPo calling for Trump's legal execution. The HuffPo writer also called for additional executions. The HuffPo writer's plan for purifying the land is considerably more disturbing to me than Johnny Depp's recent foray into heroic fantasy. Because Johnny Depp is kind of crazy. And because the HuffPo piece actually got published. And because Julius Caesar was not the only guy assassinated in Rome.
When classical historian Victor Davis Hanson thinks about Trump, similarities to a later Roman emperor seem to become apparent. Is Trump our Claudius? You know, the guy who came between "the charismatic, youthful heartthrob Caligula" and "a young, glib, handsome, intellectual, and artistic Nero".
Claudius's rule of some 13 years as emperor was marked by financial reforms and restoration after the disastrous reign of the spendthrift Caligula. Claudius-haters like Seneca, Suetonius, and Tacitus focused mostly on Claudius as the uncouth outsider--and overlooked what he had done for Rome after the disasters of the Caligula regime. The empire under Claudius grew and was largely at peace. Rome annexed Britain, and added a variety of border provinces in the east. While court insiders and gossipers ridiculed Claudius's supposed ineptness, he nonetheless assembled one of the most gifted staffs of advisers and operatives--many of them freed slaves--in the history of the Julio-Claudian and Flavian dynasties. . . If Claudius constantly scribbled down observations on imperial life (unfortunately now mostly lost), Trump is an incessant tweeter, who daily issues forth a litany of impromptu impressions, half-baked thoughts, and assertions--that are likewise the stuff of ridicule by journalists.What differences and similarities do you see between our day and the days of Claudius? I, for one, do not want to see anything like the installation of a Marxist Nero. I get the feeling that palace intrigue goes way beyond the palace these days. Anybody else get the sense that way too many people want a part in political drama? Neo-Neocon again:
People like the author of that HuffPo piece see themselves as heroes on a great stage. Their disagreements with Trump can't be just the usual political dissension, because that would make them petty and ordinary too. No, the scale must be grand, and the remedy equally grand. There are a disturbing number of people around who feel this way, and some of them almost undoubtedly will try to act.Hope your personal life is not this dramatic. Anything good going on this weekend?
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Lot's of words there
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 24, 2017 11:05 AM (J+eG2)
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The liberals are calling for killing people, especially Trump. That is a violation of local and federal law. So why are they not in jail?
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2017 11:07 AM (mpXpK)
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Is French Week over?
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at June 24, 2017 11:07 AM (hMwEB)
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willowed question
Anyone use "Bio-Clean" drain cleaner? A DIY forum highly recs it (this is for my slow draining kitchen sink)
A bit pricey though $50 on amazon.
Anyone use "Bio-Clean" drain cleaner? A DIY forum highly recs it (this is for my slow draining kitchen sink)
A bit pricey though $50 on amazon.
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at June 24, 2017 11:08 AM (hMwEB)
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" That is a violation of local and federal law. So why are they not in jail?"
See that second word in your first sentence?
To ask the question is to answer it.
See that second word in your first sentence?
To ask the question is to answer it.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 24, 2017 11:08 AM (J+eG2)
Posted by: KT at June 24, 2017 11:08 AM (BVQ+1)
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Happy Saturday, Horde!
Posted by: Michael the Texan (formerly TEXIT) at June 24, 2017 11:09 AM (nvMvs)
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"Anyone use "Bio-Clean" drain cleaner? A DIY forum highly recs it (this is for my slow draining kitchen sink) "
You already drop the drain trap?
And those foaming drain cleaners that expand to touch the sides of the vertical pipe work pretty good too.
You already drop the drain trap?
And those foaming drain cleaners that expand to touch the sides of the vertical pipe work pretty good too.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 24, 2017 11:09 AM (J+eG2)
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Today is Graduation Party Day.
Being held now so that those who couldn't attend the actual ceremony due to work/distance (being actual working class rednecks) can have a mini-reunion.
Now everyone can enjoy with little or no pressure.
Funny with kids, if you don't watch them, they grow up and graduate all of a sudden.
Today is Graduation Party Day.
Being held now so that those who couldn't attend the actual ceremony due to work/distance (being actual working class rednecks) can have a mini-reunion.
Now everyone can enjoy with little or no pressure.
Funny with kids, if you don't watch them, they grow up and graduate all of a sudden.
Posted by: irongrampa at June 24, 2017 11:10 AM (S/hVx)
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The HuffPo writer like many Democrats have surrendered any concept of self and have allowed their will to be subsumed into the Obedient Mass, read herd of killer sheep with sharp teeth and the IQ of gnat, because the Whole offers them a chance to be greater.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 24, 2017 11:11 AM (X8n03)
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The art had very low resolution in early Imperial Rome.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 24, 2017 11:11 AM (+GtGJ)
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FEET!!! *barf* oh wait those are manfeet. Shit. Need to get back to youtube.
Posted by: Quentin Tarantino at June 24, 2017 11:12 AM (xAvrH)
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 11:12 AM (PduNE)
Posted by: Shep Smith at June 24, 2017 11:12 AM (+GtGJ)
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Why was he assassinated? Because the assassins thought he had become a tyrant.
******
I re-read Julius Caesar last week, just because. My understanding is that Cassius and Brutus decided to assassinate Caesar because they feared he would become a tyrant. Future tense. He had only just been declared Caesar. But I am no Shakespearean scholar.
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I re-read Julius Caesar last week, just because. My understanding is that Cassius and Brutus decided to assassinate Caesar because they feared he would become a tyrant. Future tense. He had only just been declared Caesar. But I am no Shakespearean scholar.
Posted by: Muldoon at June 24, 2017 11:13 AM (mvenn)
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"The art had very low resolution in early Imperial Rome."
And computer monitors were really in their infancy.
Not to mention dial-up.
And computer monitors were really in their infancy.
Not to mention dial-up.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 24, 2017 11:13 AM (J+eG2)
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People are using the Roman analogies but I think it's more analogous to a High School mean girls feud. Though maybe the Roman political arena was a mean girls scenario also.
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 24, 2017 11:13 AM (IDPbH)
Posted by: Muldoon at June 24, 2017 11:14 AM (mvenn)
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Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 24, 2017 11:09 AM (J+eG2)
Hubby's disassembled the bottom of the sink twice - those pipes are clear.
He snaked the rest of the pipes but he just used a 1/4" 20" hand auger from lowes so it's possible there is grease build-up lower down.
He had hacksaws and clamps out today so I have to fix this!!! before he gets anymore enthusiastic.
Hubby's disassembled the bottom of the sink twice - those pipes are clear.
He snaked the rest of the pipes but he just used a 1/4" 20" hand auger from lowes so it's possible there is grease build-up lower down.
He had hacksaws and clamps out today so I have to fix this!!! before he gets anymore enthusiastic.
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at June 24, 2017 11:15 AM (hMwEB)
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1'4" 20' sorry LOL
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at June 24, 2017 11:16 AM (hMwEB)
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Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at June 24, 2017 11:15 AM (hMwEB)
You're not by any chance on a septic tank with drain field?
You're not by any chance on a septic tank with drain field?
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 11:16 AM (PduNE)
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Hope your personal life is not this dramatic. Anything good going on this weekend?
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I'm going to get together with some friends, grill meat, and discuss guns and optics. Got an appleseed shoot coming up at the end of july, will be my first. Can anyone who's been to one give advice?
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I'm going to get together with some friends, grill meat, and discuss guns and optics. Got an appleseed shoot coming up at the end of july, will be my first. Can anyone who's been to one give advice?
Posted by: rosignol at June 24, 2017 11:16 AM (sjCQ+)
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Of course the ones using the Ides of March in June are also omitting something about Julius. He was part of a triumvirate and the other two tried to freeze him out of power. Hence crossing the Rubicon and oh yeah can't forget in Rome of that time one could become dictator by proclamation of the Senate for one year.
But I'm expecting too much from the 'thinkers' of this bukake theatre.
But I'm expecting too much from the 'thinkers' of this bukake theatre.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 24, 2017 11:17 AM (X8n03)
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19; roto rooter is your friend. don't waste your money on the fake drain poison. don't ask how i know this.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 24, 2017 11:17 AM (KP5rU)
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4 willowed question
Anyone use "Bio-Clean" drain cleaner? A DIY forum highly recs it (this is for my slow draining kitchen sink)
A bit pricey though $50 on amazon.
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at June 24, 2017 11:08 AM (hMwEB)
Running hot water can help a lot, especially if it's a grease/oil restriction. Boil a large pot of water and pour it down the drain, followed by hot water from the tap for a few minutes.
Anyone use "Bio-Clean" drain cleaner? A DIY forum highly recs it (this is for my slow draining kitchen sink)
A bit pricey though $50 on amazon.
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at June 24, 2017 11:08 AM (hMwEB)
Running hot water can help a lot, especially if it's a grease/oil restriction. Boil a large pot of water and pour it down the drain, followed by hot water from the tap for a few minutes.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 24, 2017 11:18 AM (17QyB)
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"Anyone use "Bio-Clean" drain cleaner? A DIY forum highly recs it (this is for my slow draining kitchen sink)
A bit pricey though $50 on amazon."
I've never used it but any plumbing fix that only costs $50 is worth trying before calling a plumber. Assuming the rating and comments at Amazon don't suck.
A bit pricey though $50 on amazon."
I've never used it but any plumbing fix that only costs $50 is worth trying before calling a plumber. Assuming the rating and comments at Amazon don't suck.
Posted by: X-ray at June 24, 2017 11:18 AM (6hUAo)
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I coulda been a contendah! But I read the thread.
Nice that CDR M's ONT and MisHum's Saturday Morning thread both have dogs at the top of the content--as if to whet our interest in the impending Pet Thread.
Nice that CDR M's ONT and MisHum's Saturday Morning thread both have dogs at the top of the content--as if to whet our interest in the impending Pet Thread.
Posted by: m at June 24, 2017 11:19 AM (VgThI)
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Schadenboner status- well done
Justice Kennedy rumored to be retiring. Donnie two scoops could appoint another justice soon. #nottiredofwinning
Justice Kennedy rumored to be retiring. Donnie two scoops could appoint another justice soon. #nottiredofwinning
Posted by: USNtakim at June 24, 2017 11:20 AM (zZWkn)
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War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Diversity is Strength
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 11:12 AM (PduNE)
That would make a good bumper sticker.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Diversity is Strength
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 11:12 AM (PduNE)
That would make a good bumper sticker.
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 11:20 AM (sdi6R)
Posted by: apostrophic pedant at June 24, 2017 11:21 AM (VgThI)
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Why was he assassinated? Because the assassins thought he had become a tyrant.
Was Caeser elected by a popular vote, that stemmed from the fact that middle class Romans sensed the previous Senate wanted to destroy them?
If that is not the case, any analogy between Trump and Caeser is bullshit.
Was Caeser elected by a popular vote, that stemmed from the fact that middle class Romans sensed the previous Senate wanted to destroy them?
If that is not the case, any analogy between Trump and Caeser is bullshit.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 24, 2017 11:22 AM (xAvrH)
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Of course the ones using the Ides of March in June are also omitting something about Julius. He was part of a triumvirate and the other two tried to freeze him out of powerPosted by: Anna Puma at June 24, 2017 11:17 AM (X8n03)
A Trimvirate? Hmm, kind of like the Executive, Legislative and Judiciary today. not an exact comparison I know, but apt because Trump is always being "freezed-out" by a congress that won't pass any of his reforms and a judiciary that won't uphold any of his EOs.
A Trimvirate? Hmm, kind of like the Executive, Legislative and Judiciary today. not an exact comparison I know, but apt because Trump is always being "freezed-out" by a congress that won't pass any of his reforms and a judiciary that won't uphold any of his EOs.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 11:22 AM (7uYFy)
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That would make a good bumper sticker.
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 11:20 AM (sdi6R)
I agree. The left simply would not 'get it' -- at all. Which means car paint job is safe.
Those on the right, well read that we are, would immediately chuckle and recognize '1984'. I hereby release into public domain.
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 11:20 AM (sdi6R)
I agree. The left simply would not 'get it' -- at all. Which means car paint job is safe.
Those on the right, well read that we are, would immediately chuckle and recognize '1984'. I hereby release into public domain.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 11:22 AM (PduNE)
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28 Schadenboner status- well done
Justice Kennedy rumored to be retiring. Donnie two scoops could appoint another justice soon. #nottiredofwinning
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Look for impeachment fantasies and assassination plans to go into high gear.
Justice Kennedy rumored to be retiring. Donnie two scoops could appoint another justice soon. #nottiredofwinning
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Look for impeachment fantasies and assassination plans to go into high gear.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 24, 2017 11:22 AM (+GtGJ)
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I always compared Obama to Elegabalus, the transgender charioteer enthusiast.
Doing some Wiki laps, I found his successor's successor, the wonderfully named Maximinus Thrax, which feels like a character's name out of Titus Groan.
Max was a Thracian barbarian "of such size, so Cordus reports, that men said he was eight foot, six inches. His thumb was said to be so large that he wore his wife's bracelet as a ring for it."
Doing some Wiki laps, I found his successor's successor, the wonderfully named Maximinus Thrax, which feels like a character's name out of Titus Groan.
Max was a Thracian barbarian "of such size, so Cordus reports, that men said he was eight foot, six inches. His thumb was said to be so large that he wore his wife's bracelet as a ring for it."
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 11:22 AM (QGoUX)
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As some in the horde know, I’m divorcing my wife after years of physical and emotional abuse. I am a Christian who firmly believes in the institution of marriage and did not make this decision lightly. I hate divorce.
I just finished submitting a horrendous round of discovery yesterday. I’m willing to treat my wife well and don’t know why she is fighting this, other than cutting off the money gravy train.
Unfortunately for her, the discovery forced me to open up a lot of things I can use against her. She would have been much better off accepting my original offer.
I just want her to go away.
Horde prayers accepted.
I just finished submitting a horrendous round of discovery yesterday. I’m willing to treat my wife well and don’t know why she is fighting this, other than cutting off the money gravy train.
Unfortunately for her, the discovery forced me to open up a lot of things I can use against her. She would have been much better off accepting my original offer.
I just want her to go away.
Horde prayers accepted.
Posted by: Michael the Texan (formerly TEXIT) at June 24, 2017 11:23 AM (nvMvs)
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Justice Kennedy rumored to be retiring. Donnie two scoops could appoint another justice soon. #nottiredofwinning
Posted by: USNtakim at June 24, 2017 11:20 AM (zZWkn)
The confirmation process for this one should be a doozie as Kennedy is often a swing vote....
Posted by: USNtakim at June 24, 2017 11:20 AM (zZWkn)
The confirmation process for this one should be a doozie as Kennedy is often a swing vote....
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 11:24 AM (7uYFy)
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The only thing I have ever seen work on clogged drains is Draino and if you are on a septic tank you can not use it. Other than that you have to remove the lower water trap and and snake it out. Make sure you have all the gaskets you need before the hardware store closes. And some close at noon on Sat.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2017 11:24 AM (mpXpK)
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All male theatrical troupe? Must sound like steam escaping.
Posted by: Reggie at June 24, 2017 11:24 AM (bc2Lc)
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But she also includes commentary on a writer at HuffPo calling for Trump's legal execution. The HuffPo writer also called for additional executions.
Maybe the reason there are so many liberals is that they were banned from this site for advocating violence.
/kidding
Maybe the reason there are so many liberals is that they were banned from this site for advocating violence.
/kidding
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 24, 2017 11:25 AM (xAvrH)
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37 The confirmation process for this one should be a doozie as Kennedy is often a swing vote....
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 11:24 AM (7uYFy)
It will only be a "doozy" if the Republicans wuss out.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 11:24 AM (7uYFy)
It will only be a "doozy" if the Republicans wuss out.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2017 11:25 AM (mpXpK)
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Only be a doozie if a Deusenberg rolls up
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 24, 2017 11:26 AM (X8n03)
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Isn't Trump more Sulla to Obama's Marius?
The super competent member of the old older who takes over from the guy who tried to "fundamentally transform" Rome and tried to fix it, but ultimately fails because he wasn't quite blood thirsty enough?
The super competent member of the old older who takes over from the guy who tried to "fundamentally transform" Rome and tried to fix it, but ultimately fails because he wasn't quite blood thirsty enough?
Posted by: 18-1 at June 24, 2017 11:26 AM (aZq03)
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Max was a Thracian barbarian "of such size, so Cordus reports, that men said he was eight foot, six inches. His thumb was said to be so large that he wore his wife's bracelet as a ring for it."
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 11:22 AM (QGoUX)
Does he have any direct descendants?
Max was a Thracian barbarian "of such size, so Cordus reports, that men said he was eight foot, six inches. His thumb was said to be so large that he wore his wife's bracelet as a ring for it."
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 11:22 AM (QGoUX)
Does he have any direct descendants?
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at June 24, 2017 11:26 AM (7uYFy)
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I got a 50' drain snake - about 1/2" diameter - from Ace Hardware years ago. It has paid for itself many times over in saved plumber fees. Even little bits of kitchen grease build up over time and seem to collect about 25 - 30 feet down the line from the kitchen cleanout trap.
Posted by: Count de Monet at June 24, 2017 11:26 AM (JO9+V)
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I agree. The left simply would not 'get it' -- at all. Which means car paint job is safe.
Those on the right, well read that we are, would immediately chuckle and recognize '1984'. I hereby release into public domain.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 11:22 AM (PduNE)
And if you try to talk to a leftist about the Constitution, state's rights, or America as founded, they immediately reply "But slavery" as if that negates everything else.
So they really do believe that Freedom is Slavery.
I agree. The left simply would not 'get it' -- at all. Which means car paint job is safe.
Those on the right, well read that we are, would immediately chuckle and recognize '1984'. I hereby release into public domain.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 11:22 AM (PduNE)
And if you try to talk to a leftist about the Constitution, state's rights, or America as founded, they immediately reply "But slavery" as if that negates everything else.
So they really do believe that Freedom is Slavery.
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 11:26 AM (sdi6R)
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>>>Horde prayers accepted.
Posted by: Michael the Texan (formerly TEXIT) at June 24, 2017 11:23 AM (nvMvs)
Many prayers headed your way.
Posted by: Michael the Texan (formerly TEXIT) at June 24, 2017 11:23 AM (nvMvs)
Many prayers headed your way.
Posted by: m at June 24, 2017 11:27 AM (VgThI)
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KT, I am starting the Revolutionspodcast.com podcast series on the French revolution.
Every leftist sees himself as the next Robespierre. They forget he was shot in the face and beheaded and everything he tried drowned in blood and betrayed multiple times.
Every leftist sees himself as the next Robespierre. They forget he was shot in the face and beheaded and everything he tried drowned in blood and betrayed multiple times.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 24, 2017 11:27 AM (mkDpn)
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Posted by: Michael the Texan (formerly TEXIT) at June 24, 2017 11:23 AM (nvMvs)
Sounds like it's just one last round of "fcuk you" abuse before you go. Some people are like that.
Sounds like it's just one last round of "fcuk you" abuse before you go. Some people are like that.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 24, 2017 11:28 AM (17QyB)
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My knowledge of ancient history is sadly lacking. I focus on modern (17th-Century & forward).
Posted by: josephistan at June 24, 2017 11:30 AM (ANIFC)
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His thumb was said to be so large that he wore his wife's bracelet as a ring for it."
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf
*fap* *fap*
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf
*fap* *fap*
Posted by: J. R. R. Tolkien at June 24, 2017 11:30 AM (xAvrH)
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Trump should nominate Steve Scalise for the supreme court if Kennedy retires. It would be a boss troll move.
Posted by: X-ray at June 24, 2017 11:31 AM (6hUAo)
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Rumors that Kennedy is getting ready to retire. That will be a good thing if Republicans can get their act together.
http://tinyurl.com/ybl2zbt3
http://tinyurl.com/ybl2zbt3
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2017 11:31 AM (mpXpK)
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2 things prevent me from putting bumper stickers on the car.
1--The car would get keyed.
2. With my luck, I'd find out who did it.
2 things prevent me from putting bumper stickers on the car.
1--The car would get keyed.
2. With my luck, I'd find out who did it.
Posted by: irongrampa at June 24, 2017 11:31 AM (S/hVx)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at June 24, 2017 11:32 AM (ANIFC)
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Posted by: Michael the Texan (formerly TEXIT) at June 24, 2017 11:23 AM (nvMvs)
There are no winners. Just survivors. Survive and heal.
There are no winners. Just survivors. Survive and heal.
Posted by: Count de Monet at June 24, 2017 11:32 AM (JO9+V)
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Any of you little fucks call me "Little Boots", I'll have your balls cut off!!!
Posted by: zombe Emperor Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus at June 24, 2017 11:32 AM (nlbfN)
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Self Willowed:
HahaHaHaHaHaHa...Missouri has 7 dorms open this fall b/c of plunging enrollment. ("Can we get some MUSCLE over here!?!") These a BIG, 6-8 floor dorms. Their plan is to rent them out to parents for football weekends. $120/night + parking fees.
F-U, Mizzou.
HahaHaHaHaHaHa...Missouri has 7 dorms open this fall b/c of plunging enrollment. ("Can we get some MUSCLE over here!?!") These a BIG, 6-8 floor dorms. Their plan is to rent them out to parents for football weekends. $120/night + parking fees.
F-U, Mizzou.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 24, 2017 11:33 AM (ty7RM)
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As another Moron recently pointed out, we just had the first mass assassination attempt of ONLY one political party in the history of our nation, and even the members of that political party are no longer talking about it.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at June 24, 2017 11:33 AM (c2K1w)
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Michael the Texan, sorry and prayers.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 11:33 AM (hMwEB)
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Michael the Texan, sending prayers your way, my friend. Not an easy process but have faith that God has a plan for you and you will get through this.
Posted by: IC at June 24, 2017 11:34 AM (2+kV/)
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Votermom, add me to the list of people suggesting you put the $50 towards an $80 Roto Rooter visit instead of (literally) flushing the money down the drain.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at June 24, 2017 11:35 AM (c2K1w)
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Slippery Slope, we have public sewer.
I'd love to call a pro but hubby's honor prevents him or something.
Gonna try the enzymes I guess.
I'd love to call a pro but hubby's honor prevents him or something.
Gonna try the enzymes I guess.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 11:36 AM (hMwEB)
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Did i break the blog? (again)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 24, 2017 11:39 AM (ty7RM)
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Remember: "Jesus was a community organizer, Pilate was a governor", referring to Obama and Palin?
How about, "Caeser was a tyrant, Trump is a CEO who is concerned about his report to his board of directors, ie. us".
How about, "Caeser was a tyrant, Trump is a CEO who is concerned about his report to his board of directors, ie. us".
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 24, 2017 11:39 AM (xAvrH)
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Votermom, add me to the list of people suggesting you put the $50 towards an $80 Roto Rooter visit instead of (literally) flushing the money down the drain.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at June 24, 2017 11:35 AM (c2K1w)
I agree. Called Roto Rooter once, decades ago. Within the hour problem was fixed, never to return. Under a hundred bucks.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at June 24, 2017 11:35 AM (c2K1w)
I agree. Called Roto Rooter once, decades ago. Within the hour problem was fixed, never to return. Under a hundred bucks.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 11:40 AM (PduNE)
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Votermom, add me to the list of people suggesting
you put the $50 towards an $80 Roto Rooter visit instead of (literally)
flushing the money down the drain.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at June 24, 2017 11:35 AM (c2K1w)
Definitely if a Roto Rooter visit is only $80 do that. I didn't know a plumbing professional would even pull in my driveway for under $200.
you put the $50 towards an $80 Roto Rooter visit instead of (literally)
flushing the money down the drain.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at June 24, 2017 11:35 AM (c2K1w)
Definitely if a Roto Rooter visit is only $80 do that. I didn't know a plumbing professional would even pull in my driveway for under $200.
Posted by: X-ray at June 24, 2017 11:41 AM (6hUAo)
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No comments on the artwork? Whose head is on the end table?
Posted by: BignJames at June 24, 2017 11:41 AM (x9c8r)
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Slippery Slope, we have public sewer.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 11:36 AM (hMwEB)
Okay, then. Do you have a huge tree in the front yard between your house and the curb?
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 11:36 AM (hMwEB)
Okay, then. Do you have a huge tree in the front yard between your house and the curb?
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 11:41 AM (PduNE)
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What I want is how in the hell they're keeping Ginsburg alive. They must prop her up w/tomato stakes every morning. Remember thos apple faces we carved as kids? Every day they looked more shriveled and shrunken. She's only going to leave the bench one way: feet first.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 24, 2017 11:41 AM (ty7RM)
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Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 24, 2017 11:41 AM (ty7RM)
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I'm convinced we're just seeing her husk, like a cicada.
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I'm convinced we're just seeing her husk, like a cicada.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 11:42 AM (QGoUX)
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I have a 50ft drain snake, I hate it, hate using it, hate the mess. Rotorooter is your friend.
Posted by: USNtakim at June 24, 2017 11:43 AM (zZWkn)
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Okay, then. Do you have a huge tree in the front yard between your house and the curb?
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 11:41 AM (PduNE)
Two Ash trees on either side of house near the sidewalk.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 11:41 AM (PduNE)
Two Ash trees on either side of house near the sidewalk.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 11:44 AM (hMwEB)
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My father is in end stage dementia and we have been told he has only weeks to live. He is home with us because I would not put him in a hospital or hospice. He is a 91 y/o WWII vet and has had a long, good life. We were told it would only be a matter of days, that was three weeks ago, so he is taking his time leaving. I am asking for prayers for him and all the WWII vets that are leaving us too soon.
Posted by: Abby at June 24, 2017 11:45 AM (HBU7W)
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72: as i said. well worth the money. the only time i paid them more than $100 was on thanksgiving day. long story.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 24, 2017 11:45 AM (KP5rU)
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I find it enlightening that the same folks who have screamed for years about the Death Penalty....
Are now for assassinating a President...
Are now for assassinating a President...
Posted by: Don Q., at June 24, 2017 11:46 AM (NgKpN)
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If Trump manages to get three SCOTUS picks, then he doesn't have to do anything else. He could drop acid & nuke New Jersey, he'd still be the greatest President in my lifetime if that could happen.
Posted by: josephistan at June 24, 2017 11:46 AM (ANIFC)
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abby, hugs & prayers 
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 11:46 AM (hMwEB)
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And computer monitors were really in their infancy.
Not to mention dial-up.
OMG, do you remember how frustrating it was to wait IV minutes to see whether the topless pic of Cleopatra was legit?
And even if it was there was always someone's logo on it. Grafik Response, Skan Sity...
Not to mention dial-up.
OMG, do you remember how frustrating it was to wait IV minutes to see whether the topless pic of Cleopatra was legit?
And even if it was there was always someone's logo on it. Grafik Response, Skan Sity...
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 24, 2017 11:46 AM (gIRsn)
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She's only going to leave the bench one way: feet first.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 24, 2017 11:41 AM (ty7RM)
And that is acceptable
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 24, 2017 11:41 AM (ty7RM)
And that is acceptable
Posted by: MAC SOG at June 24, 2017 11:46 AM (QPdNE)
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74; done. may god bless him and your family.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 24, 2017 11:47 AM (KP5rU)
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77
He could drop acid & nuke New Jersey, he'd still be the greatest President in my lifetime if that could happen.
Posted by: josephistan at June 24, 2017 11:46 AM (ANIFC)
Never mind the Supreme Court picks. That alone should put him on Mount Rushmore.
He could drop acid & nuke New Jersey, he'd still be the greatest President in my lifetime if that could happen.
Posted by: josephistan at June 24, 2017 11:46 AM (ANIFC)
Never mind the Supreme Court picks. That alone should put him on Mount Rushmore.
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 11:47 AM (sdi6R)
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If Trump manages to get three SCOTUS picks, then he
doesn't have to do anything else. He could drop acid nuke New
Jersey, he'd still be the greatest President in my lifetime if that
could happen.
Posted by: josephistan at June 24, 2017 11:46 AM (ANIFC)
Dude, how could you?
Drugs are bad, M'kay?
doesn't have to do anything else. He could drop acid nuke New
Jersey, he'd still be the greatest President in my lifetime if that
could happen.
Posted by: josephistan at June 24, 2017 11:46 AM (ANIFC)
Dude, how could you?
Drugs are bad, M'kay?
Posted by: Kindltot at June 24, 2017 11:47 AM (mkDpn)
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Two Ash trees on either side of house near the sidewalk.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 11:44 AM (hMwEB)
Then it depends on where your drain exists the house. Left, right, center. But the root span is roughly equivalent to the leaf span of the trees. Might have gotten in...
But you've said in the past that it is only the one drain which is slow. So hopefully not that.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 11:44 AM (hMwEB)
Then it depends on where your drain exists the house. Left, right, center. But the root span is roughly equivalent to the leaf span of the trees. Might have gotten in...
But you've said in the past that it is only the one drain which is slow. So hopefully not that.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 11:49 AM (PduNE)
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What I want is how in the hell they're keeping Ginsburg alive. They must prop her up w/tomato stakes every morning. Remember thos apple faces we carved as kids? Every day they looked more shriveled and shrunken. She's only going to leave the bench one way: feet first.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin
I've figured this out. Soros has assembled a secret team of the smartest biologists, roboticists and doctors on the planet, in order to figure out how to make Ginsburg, Hillary and Pelosi immortal. Don't be surprised when they hit 120 years and they are still in office. You heard it here first.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin
I've figured this out. Soros has assembled a secret team of the smartest biologists, roboticists and doctors on the planet, in order to figure out how to make Ginsburg, Hillary and Pelosi immortal. Don't be surprised when they hit 120 years and they are still in office. You heard it here first.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 24, 2017 11:50 AM (xAvrH)
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How do tree roots get into a metal pipe in the first place?
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 11:50 AM (sdi6R)
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pouring bleach down a slow drain works for me, especially on metal pipes.
Posted by: B.H. (your new 'Elder Statesman') Obama at June 24, 2017 11:50 AM (5ssbE)
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Two Ash trees on either side of house near the sidewalk.
Most roto-guys have endoscopic cams. Have them run one of those, they will see roots penetrating your pipes, I think they can cut them and buy a bit of time. Also, have you had those trees checked for the emerald ash borer? In my area they are removing ash trees because of that lovely little Asian invader. They can be treated chemically, but for big $$.
Most roto-guys have endoscopic cams. Have them run one of those, they will see roots penetrating your pipes, I think they can cut them and buy a bit of time. Also, have you had those trees checked for the emerald ash borer? In my area they are removing ash trees because of that lovely little Asian invader. They can be treated chemically, but for big $$.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 24, 2017 11:50 AM (ty7RM)
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58 Self Willowed:
HahaHaHaHaHaHa...Missouri has 7 dorms open this fall b/c of plunging enrollment. ("Can we get some MUSCLE over here!?!") These a BIG, 6-8 floor dorms. Their plan is to rent them out to parents for football weekends. $120/night + parking fees.
F-U, Mizzou.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 24, 2017 11:33 AM (ty7RM)
Well... GOOD....
I recently found out about a little known Government program.... where if a Foreigner gets a US College Degree, they get an automatic work Visa here... for 2 years.... and the Company gets an F'n TAX BREAK for hiring them...
250K Extra immigrants per year... taking entry level College Grad jobs from US Citizens...
The Government has prop'd up Colleges for way too long IMO...
HahaHaHaHaHaHa...Missouri has 7 dorms open this fall b/c of plunging enrollment. ("Can we get some MUSCLE over here!?!") These a BIG, 6-8 floor dorms. Their plan is to rent them out to parents for football weekends. $120/night + parking fees.
F-U, Mizzou.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 24, 2017 11:33 AM (ty7RM)
Well... GOOD....
I recently found out about a little known Government program.... where if a Foreigner gets a US College Degree, they get an automatic work Visa here... for 2 years.... and the Company gets an F'n TAX BREAK for hiring them...
250K Extra immigrants per year... taking entry level College Grad jobs from US Citizens...
The Government has prop'd up Colleges for way too long IMO...
Posted by: Don Q., at June 24, 2017 11:51 AM (NgKpN)
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I am not a trained plumber, I can do it. Learned it all starting in the navy, (fresh water cooling systems for electronics) no leaks allowed. That and shipyard avail abilities. adding to or removing from the same system. I never wanted to learn plumbing but I did (sort of)
Posted by: USNtakim at June 24, 2017 11:51 AM (zZWkn)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 11:51 AM (QGoUX)
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As another Moron recently pointed out, we just had the first mass assassination attempt of ONLY one political party in the history of our nation, and even the members of that political party are no longer talking about it.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at June 24, 2017 11:33 AM (c2K1w)
I have a feeling they are playing it down because they don't want to 'inspire" anyone else. But with the GOP you can't be too sure.
Also, remember John Wilkes Booth and company planned to kill Lincoln, Johnson, Seward and others--decapitate the government--but fot a variety of reasons failed except for Lincoln, and Seward--who was stabbed multiple times-- but survived.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at June 24, 2017 11:33 AM (c2K1w)
I have a feeling they are playing it down because they don't want to 'inspire" anyone else. But with the GOP you can't be too sure.
Also, remember John Wilkes Booth and company planned to kill Lincoln, Johnson, Seward and others--decapitate the government--but fot a variety of reasons failed except for Lincoln, and Seward--who was stabbed multiple times-- but survived.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 11:52 AM (7uYFy)
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Posted by: Abby at June 24, 2017 11:45 AM (HBU7W)
Yeoman's work. Good on you and yours. I hope my kin are as kind as you upon my demise.
Yeoman's work. Good on you and yours. I hope my kin are as kind as you upon my demise.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 24, 2017 11:53 AM (ty7RM)
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How do tree roots get into a metal pipe in the first place?
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 11:50 AM (sdi6R
Pipe connections are the usual point of entry. Ground can settle and set them a little out of alignment -- just enough for microscopic root to get in. Then they expand on the other side.
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 11:50 AM (sdi6R
Pipe connections are the usual point of entry. Ground can settle and set them a little out of alignment -- just enough for microscopic root to get in. Then they expand on the other side.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 11:54 AM (PduNE)
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Two Ash trees on either side of house near the sidewalk.
Then dig a big hole between the two trees and dump all of the waste into the ash-hole.
Then dig a big hole between the two trees and dump all of the waste into the ash-hole.
Posted by: andycanuck at June 24, 2017 11:54 AM (nlbfN)
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92
Also, remember John Wilkes Booth and company planned to kill Lincoln, Johnson, Seward and others--decapitate the government--but fot a variety of reasons failed except for Lincoln, and Seward--who was stabbed multiple times-- but survived.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 11:52 AM (7uYFy)
Yeah, everybody knows about Booth and Lincoln, but how many know that actually WAS a conspiracy?
Also, remember John Wilkes Booth and company planned to kill Lincoln, Johnson, Seward and others--decapitate the government--but fot a variety of reasons failed except for Lincoln, and Seward--who was stabbed multiple times-- but survived.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 11:52 AM (7uYFy)
Yeah, everybody knows about Booth and Lincoln, but how many know that actually WAS a conspiracy?
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 11:55 AM (sdi6R)
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Posted by: Abby at June 24, 2017 11:45 AM (HBU7W)
Prayers for your dear father and your family, Abby. May God grant all of you peace and joy as he waits to make the final journey home.
Prayers for your dear father and your family, Abby. May God grant all of you peace and joy as he waits to make the final journey home.
Posted by: Michael the Texan (formerly TEXIT) at June 24, 2017 11:55 AM (nvMvs)
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Abby, prayers for your father and for your family as well.
Posted by: IC at June 24, 2017 11:55 AM (2+kV/)
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 11:55 AM (hMwEB)
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Shouldn't you be in hip waders battling a feisty creature?
Hi honey!
I am actually tying flies for a Cape trip on Monday.
Well, not at this second, obviously. Right now I'm checking to see whether the thread is sufficiently buxom, and of course I now see that it is.
Hi honey!
I am actually tying flies for a Cape trip on Monday.
Well, not at this second, obviously. Right now I'm checking to see whether the thread is sufficiently buxom, and of course I now see that it is.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 24, 2017 11:55 AM (gIRsn)
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In my area they are removing ash trees because of that lovely little Asian invader. They can be treated chemically, but for big $$.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin
Dis about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin
Dis about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Margaret Cho at June 24, 2017 11:56 AM (xAvrH)
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I've seen right wing calls for mass "tyrranicide" for "cleansing" the nation as well. Some of those calls have been thinly veiled ones on this very site by commenters -- not bloggers -- and I've even darkly hinted at having sinful dreams about such an event taking place.
The difference here is that these are the rumblings of frustrated, worried, angry, and even fearful people seeing what is happening to their home, dreams, and future at the hands of left wing radicals determined to destroy all we believe in and hoped for.
What's going on now isn't dark mutterings by people, but outright calls for death and blood by leaders, pundits, and major public figures... played out in masturbatory fantasies by leftists to the accolades of their peers. And when someone actually attacks and commits violence their reaction is at most a shrug of regret.
The difference is one of several magnitudes. This isn't just some muttering of people. Its a deliberate movement designed to bring about death and destruction.
The difference here is that these are the rumblings of frustrated, worried, angry, and even fearful people seeing what is happening to their home, dreams, and future at the hands of left wing radicals determined to destroy all we believe in and hoped for.
What's going on now isn't dark mutterings by people, but outright calls for death and blood by leaders, pundits, and major public figures... played out in masturbatory fantasies by leftists to the accolades of their peers. And when someone actually attacks and commits violence their reaction is at most a shrug of regret.
The difference is one of several magnitudes. This isn't just some muttering of people. Its a deliberate movement designed to bring about death and destruction.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 11:56 AM (39g3+)
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250K Extra immigrants per year... taking entry level College Grad jobs from US Citizens...
I've been assured those are Jobs Americans Don't Want(tm).
I've been assured those are Jobs Americans Don't Want(tm).
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 24, 2017 11:57 AM (ty7RM)
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Yeah, everybody knows about Booth and Lincoln, but how many know that actually WAS a conspiracy?
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Posted by: zombie dr samuel mudd at June 24, 2017 11:57 AM (nlbfN)
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90 I am not a trained plumber, I can do it. Learned it all starting in the navy, (fresh water cooling systems for electronics) no leaks allowed. That and shipyard avail abilities. adding to or removing from the same system. I never wanted to learn plumbing but I did (sort of)
Posted by: USNtakim at June 24, 2017 11:51 AM (zZWkn)
I was a cooling loop guy, too. DS. You?
Posted by: USNtakim at June 24, 2017 11:51 AM (zZWkn)
I was a cooling loop guy, too. DS. You?
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 24, 2017 11:57 AM (17QyB)
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Sounds like it’s just one last round of “fcuk you” abuse before you go. Some people are like that.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 24, 2017 11:28 AM (17QyB)
That’s a good way of putting it. Thanks.
Thanks to all the horde members who offered prayers and good wishes.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 24, 2017 11:28 AM (17QyB)
That’s a good way of putting it. Thanks.
Thanks to all the horde members who offered prayers and good wishes.
Posted by: Michael the Texan (formerly TEXIT) at June 24, 2017 11:58 AM (nvMvs)
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Right now I'm checking to see whether the thread is sufficiently buxom, and of course I now see that it is.
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Get Alex on the blower and we can capture this thread in a pincer movement.
So what's biting off Cape May?
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Get Alex on the blower and we can capture this thread in a pincer movement.
So what's biting off Cape May?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 11:58 AM (QGoUX)
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The Trump/Caesar analogy goes much deeper than that. The Senators were the entrenched, corrupt, and feckless 'power' in Rome. Caesar was not a go-along to get-along kinda guy. They had been trying to destroy him for decades and he always beat them at their own games. When they finally threatened to try him for treason he marched his army into Rome and chased them all they way into Greece and Egypt. Those that survived the experience hated him even more. He was a threat to their special privileges and the status quo that sheltered them. (Sound familiar?)
They accused him of wanting to be King (Hitler?), and yet all that he did was take power from THEM and return it to the people - keeping only such power as he needed to enforce his reforms. He was planning on leaving Rome to conduct a punitive expedition against the Parthians to recover the Eagle lost by Crassus - hardly actions of a newly crowned King with a fractious/rebellious Senate.
Caesar's 'crime' was insisting that the Senate had a duty to the people of Rome that superceded their own personal greed, ambitions, and privileges. Pelosi, Schumer, and the Clinton's won't pick up the knives themselves, but - like Cicero - will provide the rhetoric that will motivate those that will.
They accused him of wanting to be King (Hitler?), and yet all that he did was take power from THEM and return it to the people - keeping only such power as he needed to enforce his reforms. He was planning on leaving Rome to conduct a punitive expedition against the Parthians to recover the Eagle lost by Crassus - hardly actions of a newly crowned King with a fractious/rebellious Senate.
Caesar's 'crime' was insisting that the Senate had a duty to the people of Rome that superceded their own personal greed, ambitions, and privileges. Pelosi, Schumer, and the Clinton's won't pick up the knives themselves, but - like Cicero - will provide the rhetoric that will motivate those that will.
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 11:59 AM (lfk5t)
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Not all sewer pipes are metal, depending on the age of the house they can be made of all sorts of material. You would be surprised. we had a house that had a clay sewer pipe. We had to use root killer at least once a year if not more. That replacement is not cheap. One slow drain is prob not caused by the main line being slow/clogged.
Posted by: USNtakim at June 24, 2017 12:00 PM (zZWkn)
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Yeah, everybody knows about Booth and Lincoln, but how many know that actually WAS a conspiracy?
How many people know there are still people alive today that cheer and would repeat it if given the chance?
How many people know there are still people alive today that cheer and would repeat it if given the chance?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 12:01 PM (39g3+)
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Well catch everyone later. Going to see what's up and all at a local little convention. See if any friends are there and maybe network with other writers. Just hope no one wants to talk politics.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 24, 2017 12:02 PM (X8n03)
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Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2017 11:07 AM (mpXpK)
The FBI in today's America recently concluded the Baseball Shooter had no target despite a list of recognizable names and pictures of the field. It is unlikely that this FBI headed up by McCabe?Rosenstein?Mueller? (Who's on First?) would investigate someone publicly calling for the killing of the President and others.
BTW anybody have the names of those crack FBI who investigated this?
Pretty much with a deeply corrupted Judicial System and Congress I expect very little law and order.
With this "no target" report and Mueller packing his staff with Clintonites I have given up on Sessions.
The FBI in today's America recently concluded the Baseball Shooter had no target despite a list of recognizable names and pictures of the field. It is unlikely that this FBI headed up by McCabe?Rosenstein?Mueller? (Who's on First?) would investigate someone publicly calling for the killing of the President and others.
BTW anybody have the names of those crack FBI who investigated this?
Pretty much with a deeply corrupted Judicial System and Congress I expect very little law and order.
With this "no target" report and Mueller packing his staff with Clintonites I have given up on Sessions.
Posted by: gracepc at June 24, 2017 12:02 PM (OU4q6)
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Have fun storming the castle, Anna.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 12:03 PM (QGoUX)
Posted by: USNtakim at June 24, 2017 12:03 PM (zZWkn)
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oh dear he's disassembling the pipes under the sink again
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 12:03 PM (hMwEB)
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So what's biting off Cape May?
Cape Cod, please. It would take a guarantee of keeper-sized mermaids to get me to fish in NJ.
Cape Cod, please. It would take a guarantee of keeper-sized mermaids to get me to fish in NJ.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 24, 2017 12:03 PM (gIRsn)
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108
(Sound familiar?)
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 11:59 AM (lfk5t)
Since you put it like that, yeesh.
(Sound familiar?)
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 11:59 AM (lfk5t)
Since you put it like that, yeesh.
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 12:04 PM (sdi6R)
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109 Not all sewer pipes are metal, depending on the age of the house they can be made of all sorts of material. You would be surprised. we had a house that had a clay sewer pipe. We had to use root killer at least once a year if not more. That replacement is not cheap. One slow drain is prob not caused by the main line being slow/clogged.
Posted by: USNtakim at June 24, 2017 12:00 PM (zZWkn)
I once had a sewer pipe that was made of, no shit, tarpaper. Tree roots grew into it and pinched it off.
Posted by: USNtakim at June 24, 2017 12:00 PM (zZWkn)
I once had a sewer pipe that was made of, no shit, tarpaper. Tree roots grew into it and pinched it off.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 24, 2017 12:04 PM (17QyB)
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All this talk of Kennedy retiring or dying and RBG's dried husk being carted away to be replaced by person's of common sense and decency is giving me a hard on.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 24, 2017 12:04 PM (5VlCp)
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Is Johnny Depp ready to go Sic Semper Tyrannis, or just just standing back?
Posted by: Skip at June 24, 2017 12:05 PM (Ot7+c)
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You know, the guy who came between "the charismatic, youthful heartthrob Caligula" and "a young, glib, handsome, intellectual, and artistic Nero".
I don't want anyone who is a "charismatic, youthful heartthrob" or a "young, glib, handsome, intellectual and artistic" type.
I want an effective and efficient CEO, who can look like Duane Doberman for all I care.
But then, I'm an adult.
I don't want anyone who is a "charismatic, youthful heartthrob" or a "young, glib, handsome, intellectual and artistic" type.
I want an effective and efficient CEO, who can look like Duane Doberman for all I care.
But then, I'm an adult.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 12:05 PM (SRKgf)
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Well, Julius Caesar was a tyrant, he basically overthrew the government of Rome, tore the constitution up, and established himself as a permanent, life-long dictator. He had his enemies killed and basically ended Rome's centuries-old system of democracy.
But by that point, the system was destroyed anyway. There wasn't really a democracy, the senate was hopelessly corrupt and worthless, and they'd already torn the constitution up pretty badly. Caesar just finished the job. He wasn't a blameless hero, though.
But by that point, the system was destroyed anyway. There wasn't really a democracy, the senate was hopelessly corrupt and worthless, and they'd already torn the constitution up pretty badly. Caesar just finished the job. He wasn't a blameless hero, though.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 12:06 PM (39g3+)
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I sent my GOP Congress critters letters yesterday:
"You're going to lose the House in '18, not because of PDT. But because if you go to the voters & say, 'we've accomplished nothing significant in 2 years. Give us 2 more,'-- that won't work out well for you."
The problem is that every gd one of them think they have the Magic Deciding Vote, & they're so gd FULL of themselves.
"You're going to lose the House in '18, not because of PDT. But because if you go to the voters & say, 'we've accomplished nothing significant in 2 years. Give us 2 more,'-- that won't work out well for you."
The problem is that every gd one of them think they have the Magic Deciding Vote, & they're so gd FULL of themselves.
Posted by: mnw at June 24, 2017 12:06 PM (4Vu64)
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With this "no target" report and Mueller packing his staff with Clintonites I have given up on Sessions.
Yeah, me too. Comity might be a good policy in Senate (or not, looking at you Juan McCain et al), but for the administrator of the enforcement arm of the US, it's no good.
Yeah, me too. Comity might be a good policy in Senate (or not, looking at you Juan McCain et al), but for the administrator of the enforcement arm of the US, it's no good.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 24, 2017 12:06 PM (ty7RM)
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Working like a mad man trying to get the house ready for market. I have two weeks til I head to Tennessee to live in corporate housing. Every muscle in my 50 29 year old body hurts. Hell, even my hair hurts.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 24, 2017 12:07 PM (kTF2Z)
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I never really and for all the military history I read got into Roman history.
Posted by: Skip at June 24, 2017 12:07 PM (Ot7+c)
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He had hacksaws and clamps out today so I have to fix this!!! before he gets anymore enthusiastic.
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at June 24, 2017 11:15 AM (hMwEB)
It's interesting that he's cleared 20' and no other drain is stopped.
Maybe AOP will be by later this evening.
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at June 24, 2017 11:15 AM (hMwEB)
It's interesting that he's cleared 20' and no other drain is stopped.
Maybe AOP will be by later this evening.
Posted by: gNewt at June 24, 2017 12:07 PM (FOeaV)
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Sorry Bander, I realized my blunder right after I hit "post".
Is it in Cape Cod By or south of the hook?
I've always loved the name Buzzards Bay.
Is it in Cape Cod By or south of the hook?
I've always loved the name Buzzards Bay.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 12:08 PM (QGoUX)
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114 I was a cooling loop guy, too. DS. You?
Yes, DS2 87-93. One ship USS Wasp (lhd-1).
Posted by: USNtakim at June 24, 2017 12:03 PM (zZWkn)
No shit. '88-2010, retired as FCCS. Did Robison DDG-12, Fife DD-991, Chandler DDG-996, Kennedy 2000, Nassau '04-07. That last one convinced me to pull chocks and not do a 4th sea tour. I still go on Wasp occasionally as a contractor, was onboard her in the shipyard last month.
We probably already know each other from the DS website and FB group. John Penrod is a friend of mine.
Yes, DS2 87-93. One ship USS Wasp (lhd-1).
Posted by: USNtakim at June 24, 2017 12:03 PM (zZWkn)
No shit. '88-2010, retired as FCCS. Did Robison DDG-12, Fife DD-991, Chandler DDG-996, Kennedy 2000, Nassau '04-07. That last one convinced me to pull chocks and not do a 4th sea tour. I still go on Wasp occasionally as a contractor, was onboard her in the shipyard last month.
We probably already know each other from the DS website and FB group. John Penrod is a friend of mine.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 24, 2017 12:08 PM (17QyB)
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Posted by: Michael the Texan (formerly TEXIT) at June 24, 2017 11:23 AM (nvMvs)
Prayers. This horror is a big "this too shall pass". And you will find peace and contentment.
Prayers. This horror is a big "this too shall pass". And you will find peace and contentment.
Posted by: gracepc at June 24, 2017 12:08 PM (OU4q6)
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There is a significant difference between Claudius and PDT in that the president has a large, loving and loyal family who I will always be there for him. Claudius' family were a bunch of muderous back stabbing power mangers.
Posted by: Tuna at June 24, 2017 12:10 PM (jm1YL)
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Buzzard's Bay is indeed a cool name. I like the Outer Cape. From Chatham to Provincetown is an unbroken stretch of accessible unspoiled beach. No boardwalks, no McMansions, nothing off limits, just the world's most beautiful dunescape.
It's a thin strip of land, so if the wind or anything else is wrong the bay is right on the other side.
It's a thin strip of land, so if the wind or anything else is wrong the bay is right on the other side.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 24, 2017 12:11 PM (gIRsn)
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Yeah, everybody knows about Booth and Lincoln, but how many know that actually WAS a conspiracy?
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 11:55 AM (sdi6R)
Hell, half of the population doesn't know who Lincoln was.
"Wut? A car was President?"
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 11:55 AM (sdi6R)
Hell, half of the population doesn't know who Lincoln was.
"Wut? A car was President?"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 12:11 PM (SRKgf)
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I want Thomas to retire. Part of me wants to be classy and hope Ginsburg and Breyer retire, but since they wouldn't ever do that with Trump in power, I'm fine with their tenure ending the other way.
So Kennedy can be replaced by Don Willett, Thomas by William Pryor, and the liberals by Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz. Both of whom are in sufficiently red states that we should keep the Senate too.
7-2 majority on SCOTUS for decades (even if Roberts is a chode). Suck it, progs.
So Kennedy can be replaced by Don Willett, Thomas by William Pryor, and the liberals by Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz. Both of whom are in sufficiently red states that we should keep the Senate too.
7-2 majority on SCOTUS for decades (even if Roberts is a chode). Suck it, progs.
Posted by: CPT11A at June 24, 2017 12:11 PM (hxUdS)
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Hate Has No Homo @59, that was probably me you're talking about - the first mass political assassination attempt in our history, and it was a smaller/shorter-lived story than a congressional staffer tweeting suggestions about the demeanor of the president's children at public events.
The horde doesn't need any muthascratchin' advice, but I'd consider mentioning this disturbing observation to the less politically aware.
And ponder if this is yet additional evidence of the GOP's nearly hopeless passivity and loser instincts.
The horde doesn't need any muthascratchin' advice, but I'd consider mentioning this disturbing observation to the less politically aware.
And ponder if this is yet additional evidence of the GOP's nearly hopeless passivity and loser instincts.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2017 12:11 PM (iynDC)
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Neo has come a long, long way since I last visited her site. I said something positive about Trump and she then labelled me as a "Trump fanatic."
Good for her, I guess.
Good for her, I guess.
Posted by: West at June 24, 2017 12:12 PM (LYc85)
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Posted by: Michael the Texan (formerly TEXIT) at June 24, 2017 11:58 AM (nvMvs)
And prayers aloft. We're pulling for you.
And prayers aloft. We're pulling for you.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 24, 2017 12:12 PM (17QyB)
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How do tree roots get into a metal pipe in the first place?
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 11:50 AM (sdi6R)
Sewer drains are not metal.
How do tree roots get into a metal pipe in the first place?
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 11:50 AM (sdi6R)
Sewer drains are not metal.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2017 12:12 PM (mpXpK)
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Seward--who was stabbed multiple times-- but survived.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 11:52 AM (7uYFy)
And then proceeded to wreck vengeance on all who might possibly have been connected to the conspiracy while running the closest thing to a military government this country has ever seen.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 11:52 AM (7uYFy)
And then proceeded to wreck vengeance on all who might possibly have been connected to the conspiracy while running the closest thing to a military government this country has ever seen.
Posted by: Fox2! at June 24, 2017 12:12 PM (brIR5)
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134 I want Thomas to retire. Part of me wants to be classy and hope Ginsburg and Breyer retire, but since they wouldn't ever do that with Trump in power, I'm fine with their tenure ending the other way.
So Kennedy can be replaced by Don Willett, Thomas by William Pryor, and the liberals by Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz. Both of whom are in sufficiently red states that we should keep the Senate too.
7-2 majority on SCOTUS for decades (even if Roberts is a chode). Suck it, progs
I'm feeling faint, lack of bloodflow to the brain.
So Kennedy can be replaced by Don Willett, Thomas by William Pryor, and the liberals by Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz. Both of whom are in sufficiently red states that we should keep the Senate too.
7-2 majority on SCOTUS for decades (even if Roberts is a chode). Suck it, progs
I'm feeling faint, lack of bloodflow to the brain.
Posted by: USNtakim at June 24, 2017 12:12 PM (zZWkn)
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Also, remember John Wilkes Booth and company planned to kill Lincoln, Johnson, Seward and others--decapitate the government--but fot a variety of reasons failed except for Lincoln, and Seward--who was stabbed multiple times-- but survived.
Posted by: JoeF.
Americans killing Americans. We should have been as xenophobic as Japan. We wouldn't have 99% of the problems have if idiot liberals didn't think "multiculturalism" was some kind of virtue.
Posted by: JoeF.
Americans killing Americans. We should have been as xenophobic as Japan. We wouldn't have 99% of the problems have if idiot liberals didn't think "multiculturalism" was some kind of virtue.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 24, 2017 12:12 PM (xAvrH)
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Trey Gowdy was pretty glowing in his defense of Meuller, so I'll wait and see what we get. I trust Gowdy's judgment right now when it comes to legal issues.
As for Sessions... the wheels of justice grind slow and he has an entire brand of restaurants on his plate at the same time. I think we need to give him time. He might be just an establishment stooge, but the man has like 90,000 things to work on at once and half his department (or more) is working against him.
As for Sessions... the wheels of justice grind slow and he has an entire brand of restaurants on his plate at the same time. I think we need to give him time. He might be just an establishment stooge, but the man has like 90,000 things to work on at once and half his department (or more) is working against him.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 12:13 PM (39g3+)
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votormom..
Is your hubby familiar with the term 'Vent Stack" or "Plumbing Vet" concerning home plumbing systems?
Drain systems must breath in order for fluids to drain away.
Many homes have two stacks, which are the penetrations which come straight up through your roof, and usually simply end about a foot above the roof penetration.
When you said that ONLY the single drain was flowing slowly, that seems to indicate that it isn't the main drain line itself, or your tub would drain slowly if you filled it up and then tried to drain it.
Or you might have trouble with a toilet, particularly a first floor or basement toilet, or laundry drain tub backing up.
Has he ensured that the vent pipe is not obstructed from the roof down to where it connects into the drain line.
Some people simply take a garden hose up onto the roof, take the nozzle off, and stuff it down the vent pipe as far as it will go with the water running.
Ours has a sharp 90 degree bend at the bottom, and over the years has collected dust, dead leaves, and occasionally the debris which blocks air flow through the bottom of the vent into the drain system
Is your hubby familiar with the term 'Vent Stack" or "Plumbing Vet" concerning home plumbing systems?
Drain systems must breath in order for fluids to drain away.
Many homes have two stacks, which are the penetrations which come straight up through your roof, and usually simply end about a foot above the roof penetration.
When you said that ONLY the single drain was flowing slowly, that seems to indicate that it isn't the main drain line itself, or your tub would drain slowly if you filled it up and then tried to drain it.
Or you might have trouble with a toilet, particularly a first floor or basement toilet, or laundry drain tub backing up.
Has he ensured that the vent pipe is not obstructed from the roof down to where it connects into the drain line.
Some people simply take a garden hose up onto the roof, take the nozzle off, and stuff it down the vent pipe as far as it will go with the water running.
Ours has a sharp 90 degree bend at the bottom, and over the years has collected dust, dead leaves, and occasionally the debris which blocks air flow through the bottom of the vent into the drain system
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 24, 2017 12:14 PM (J+eG2)
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136 Neo has come a long, long way since I last visited her site. I said something positive about Trump and she then labelled me as a "Trump fanatic."
Good for her, I guess.
Posted by: West at June 24, 2017 12:12 PM (LYc85)
Yeah, I haven't been there since the election.
Good for her, I guess.
Posted by: West at June 24, 2017 12:12 PM (LYc85)
Yeah, I haven't been there since the election.
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 12:14 PM (sdi6R)
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Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 24, 2017 12:06 PM (ty7RM)
He's a good and loyal guy. Trump should reward him with a position better suited. That said Trump is also a disappointment in some regards. I cut him a lot of slack though. The guy is under assault from every direction.
That said, the FBI is a big big disaster and he has no one there. The other day he said Christopher Wray (yawn) would be his nominee for FBI Director. When I checked around to see where the nomination stood with the Judiciary Cmte and McConnell's office I was told that Trump had not "formally" made the nomination. Therefore, no action.
I have no idea if this is true. I know nothing except he would be well served to get that place cleaned up pronto. Make the hard calls and let the chips fall where they may.
He's a good and loyal guy. Trump should reward him with a position better suited. That said Trump is also a disappointment in some regards. I cut him a lot of slack though. The guy is under assault from every direction.
That said, the FBI is a big big disaster and he has no one there. The other day he said Christopher Wray (yawn) would be his nominee for FBI Director. When I checked around to see where the nomination stood with the Judiciary Cmte and McConnell's office I was told that Trump had not "formally" made the nomination. Therefore, no action.
I have no idea if this is true. I know nothing except he would be well served to get that place cleaned up pronto. Make the hard calls and let the chips fall where they may.
Posted by: gracepc at June 24, 2017 12:15 PM (OU4q6)
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Sadly there are several sites and people I used to enjoy reading, people who are intelligent and good on most issues, which I've had to dump. Their problem is a kind of monomania, a hatred of Trump that blinds them to everything else. I just can't put up with it.
These people hammer Trump more than they ever did Obama. Its bizarre.
These people hammer Trump more than they ever did Obama. Its bizarre.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 12:16 PM (39g3+)
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But by that point, the system was destroyed anyway. There wasn't really a democracy, the senate was hopelessly corrupt and worthless, and they'd already torn the constitution up pretty badly. Caesar just finished the job. He wasn't a blameless hero, though.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Wait ... are you talking about ancient Rome? Some of that sounds familiar.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Wait ... are you talking about ancient Rome? Some of that sounds familiar.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 24, 2017 12:16 PM (xAvrH)
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Newer sewers are PVC. Roots slide around them.
Posted by: gNewt at June 24, 2017 12:17 PM (FOeaV)
Posted by: Johnny Debt at June 24, 2017 12:17 PM (xAvrH)
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It would take a guarantee of keeper-sized mermaids to get me to fish in NJ.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 24, 2017 12:03 PM (gIRsn)
With no creel limit.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 24, 2017 12:03 PM (gIRsn)
With no creel limit.
Posted by: Fox2! at June 24, 2017 12:17 PM (brIR5)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 24, 2017 12:17 PM (J+eG2)
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Posted by: Kindltot at June 24, 2017 11:27 AM (mkDpn)
You are kind. They did not forget. They do not know.
You are kind. They did not forget. They do not know.
Posted by: gracepc at June 24, 2017 12:18 PM (OU4q6)
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It would take a guarantee of keeper-sized mermaids to get me to fish in NJ.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 24, 2017 12:03 PM (gIRsn)
Now I'm picturing Snookie as a mermaid.
It would take a guarantee of keeper-sized mermaids to get me to fish in NJ.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 24, 2017 12:03 PM (gIRsn)
Now I'm picturing Snookie as a mermaid.
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 12:19 PM (sdi6R)
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Gardening Thread is up. Feel free to hang around here if you have other topics.
Posted by: KT at June 24, 2017 12:19 PM (BVQ+1)
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Prayers. This horror is a big “this too shall pass”. And you will find peace and contentment.
Posted by: gracepc at June 24, 2017 12:08 PM (OU4q6)
Thank you, and thank all who posted or said a quiet prayer without posting.
Posted by: gracepc at June 24, 2017 12:08 PM (OU4q6)
Thank you, and thank all who posted or said a quiet prayer without posting.
Posted by: Michael the Texan (formerly TEXIT) at June 24, 2017 12:20 PM (nvMvs)
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Actually Sulla had done most of the damage and rebuilt the 'mos maiorum' which, following his abdication, the 'boni' promptly set about destroying in their turn. Caesar (no Sulla in terms of political murder or personal power) worked - as much as he could - within the system which he (again unlike Sulla) respected. Almost all the deaths attributed to Caesar came in the Civil War. Most of his assassins had in fact (see Brutus and Cassius) had been pardoned by Caesar for their support of Pompey.
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 12:20 PM (lfk5t)
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I have a big tree root that's slithered under my driveway. There's a noticeable bump in it.
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 12:20 PM (sdi6R)
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garden thread up
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2017 12:20 PM (mpXpK)
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62 Votermom, add me to the list of people suggesting you put the $50 towards an $80 Roto Rooter visit instead of (literally) flushing the money down the drain.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at June 24, 2017 11:35 AM (c2K1w)
We had the same problem at Chateau Merde owing to palm tree roots growing into the sewage outfall, causing the sewage to back up about twice a year (typically on a holiday weekend - Memorial Day, Fourth of July, Labor Day).
I finally bought a real-deal power auger ($400) at Lowe's with a 100' cable and snaked it myself. Best money I ever spent.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at June 24, 2017 11:35 AM (c2K1w)
We had the same problem at Chateau Merde owing to palm tree roots growing into the sewage outfall, causing the sewage to back up about twice a year (typically on a holiday weekend - Memorial Day, Fourth of July, Labor Day).
I finally bought a real-deal power auger ($400) at Lowe's with a 100' cable and snaked it myself. Best money I ever spent.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 12:21 PM (SRKgf)
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Seward--who was stabbed multiple times-- but survived.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 11:52 AM (7uYFy)
And then proceeded to wreck vengeance on all who might possibly have been connected to the conspiracy while running the closest thing to a military government this country has ever seen.
Posted by: Fox2! at June 24, 2017 12:12 PM (brIR5)
All this while in secret negotiations to buy Alaska.......from the RUSSIANS!
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 11:52 AM (7uYFy)
And then proceeded to wreck vengeance on all who might possibly have been connected to the conspiracy while running the closest thing to a military government this country has ever seen.
Posted by: Fox2! at June 24, 2017 12:12 PM (brIR5)
All this while in secret negotiations to buy Alaska.......from the RUSSIANS!
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 12:21 PM (7uYFy)
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Votermom, since the pipes are apart again tell him to go to Lowe's and find a black rubber attachment that you put on a water hose. It's in the plumbing / pipe cleaner section. It has an opening at the end and will fill and pulse water through the line. I've had good luck with those in the past.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at June 24, 2017 12:22 PM (c2K1w)
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Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 24, 2017 11:41 AM (ty7RM)
Now this is where the Russians DO come into play. Remember Brezhnev and that is just one example of the walking dead.
Now this is where the Russians DO come into play. Remember Brezhnev and that is just one example of the walking dead.
Posted by: gracepc at June 24, 2017 12:22 PM (OU4q6)
Posted by: seamrog at June 24, 2017 12:23 PM (HKiV1)
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garden thread up
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
This thread is the ghetto that KT condemns us to, because she is a non-gardenerphobe. It's like racism.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
This thread is the ghetto that KT condemns us to, because she is a non-gardenerphobe. It's like racism.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 24, 2017 12:23 PM (xAvrH)
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"Votermom, since the pipes are apart again tell him to go to Lowe's and find a black rubber attachment that you put on a water hose. It's in the plumbing / pipe cleaner section."
Harbor freight (Dollar Store for Men) also carries them.
And....if you wanted to, with the right size, he could use it on the vent pipe as well.
Harbor freight (Dollar Store for Men) also carries them.
And....if you wanted to, with the right size, he could use it on the vent pipe as well.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 24, 2017 12:23 PM (J+eG2)
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The image above of that all male actor's troupe reminds me of the cover of that Temple of the Dog album....
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 12:24 PM (7uYFy)
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Has he ensured that the vent pipe is not obstructed from the roof down to where it connects into the drain line.
Some people simply take a garden hose up onto the roof, take the nozzle off, and stuff it down the vent pipe as far as it will go with the water running.
I used a fishing weight on a string and pulled up a frog. Really. Garden hose, what a simple and perfect solution to the vent problem.
Some people simply take a garden hose up onto the roof, take the nozzle off, and stuff it down the vent pipe as far as it will go with the water running.
I used a fishing weight on a string and pulled up a frog. Really. Garden hose, what a simple and perfect solution to the vent problem.
Posted by: gNewt at June 24, 2017 12:24 PM (FOeaV)
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Prayers sent for all WWII vets, among others. My dad is 98, served all 5 years.
Posted by: West at June 24, 2017 12:25 PM (LYc85)
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I would no sooner paint Caesar as a 'hero' than I would Trump. He was a man of his time and culture - one of violence and intrigue. That he was successful and survived as long as he did evidences his competence - not his humanity. But Caesar was a man of 'the People's not the Elite. Though born into nobility he as raised in the Suburbs and took their concerns unto himself.
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 12:26 PM (lfk5t)
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I, Trumpius?
I, Trumpius?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 24, 2017 12:26 PM (auHtY)
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One of our outdoor faucets is leaking. Not badly but a steady drip drip drip. I blame the GOP.
Posted by: Under Fire at June 24, 2017 12:28 PM (l4aLi)
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"I used a fishing weight on a string and pulled up a frog. Really. Garden hose, what a simple and perfect solution to the vent problem."
Thank you.
I may not be educated, but I am experienced in saving money.
Another indicator that you may have vent pipe problems, depending on your homes drain piping configuration is if you flush your upstairs toilet, and your upstairs bathtub drain suddenly gurgles.
Thank you.
I may not be educated, but I am experienced in saving money.
Another indicator that you may have vent pipe problems, depending on your homes drain piping configuration is if you flush your upstairs toilet, and your upstairs bathtub drain suddenly gurgles.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 24, 2017 12:29 PM (J+eG2)
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Dad, 90 years - 9 days, was on "casual" status waiting for his school after Navy Recruit Training on Aug 15, 1945. Invaded the Carolinas, Cuba and Puerto Rico for the next two years as a "doc" with the Marines. Taking Chemistry in high school made him an HA2 vs Seaman 3rd.
Posted by: Fox2! at June 24, 2017 12:30 PM (brIR5)
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Yeah between Marius, Sulla, and the Triumvirate, there wasn't much left of Democratic Rome by the time Caesar took over. And as a dictator, he wasn't bad -- better than Sulla by far, and better than many of his successors. Caesar was no monster, but he was not a hero either.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 12:31 PM (39g3+)
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I would no sooner paint Caesar as a 'hero' than I would Trump. He was a man of his time and culture - one of violence and intrigue. That he was successful and survived as long as he did evidences his competence - not his humanity. But Caesar was a man of 'the People's not the Elite. Though born into nobility he as raised in the Suburbs and took their concerns unto himself.
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 12:26 PM (lfk5t)
Yes, but I doubt there are few who really think of Trump as a "hero"--and if they do, it's only because he makes the opposition go friggin' nuts.
But many do perceive him as competent and despite his great personal wealth believe he cares more deeply and articulates more honestly their concerns than the professional political class --that at his age---he'll never be a part of.
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 12:26 PM (lfk5t)
Yes, but I doubt there are few who really think of Trump as a "hero"--and if they do, it's only because he makes the opposition go friggin' nuts.
But many do perceive him as competent and despite his great personal wealth believe he cares more deeply and articulates more honestly their concerns than the professional political class --that at his age---he'll never be a part of.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 12:32 PM (7uYFy)
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Posted by: West at June 24, 2017 12:12 PM (LYc85)
Maybe the venality of the Left will affect some voters as well. Unfortunately, it has not been sufficient to move the Republicans off their uni party pottys and into action.
Maybe the venality of the Left will affect some voters as well. Unfortunately, it has not been sufficient to move the Republicans off their uni party pottys and into action.
Posted by: gracepc at June 24, 2017 12:32 PM (OU4q6)
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It is believed that Claudius was poisoned by his wife so beware of Melania bearing mushrooms.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 24, 2017 12:33 PM (Nwg0u)
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170
I, Trumpius?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 24, 2017 12:26 PM (auHtY)
You can't spell "Triumph" without Trump....
I, Trumpius?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 24, 2017 12:26 PM (auHtY)
You can't spell "Triumph" without Trump....
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 12:34 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 24, 2017 12:34 PM (Nwg0u)
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Christopher Taylor at #174 ---
So we are in agreement on the history. Do you agree with me on the contemporary analogy with Trump?
So we are in agreement on the history. Do you agree with me on the contemporary analogy with Trump?
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 12:35 PM (lfk5t)
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Not being a professional politician himself, Trump honestly believes he was elected to actually fulfill his campaign promises.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 12:36 PM (7uYFy)
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You can't spell "Triumph" without Trump....
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 12:34 PM
So many Trump haters....
For me to poop on!
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 12:34 PM
So many Trump haters....
For me to poop on!
Posted by: Triumph at June 24, 2017 12:37 PM (n6g6t)
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You can't spell "Triumph" without Trump....
Posted by: JoeF.
"Triumph" is an anagram of "Hi, Trump!"
Posted by: JoeF.
"Triumph" is an anagram of "Hi, Trump!"
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 24, 2017 12:38 PM (xAvrH)
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"Triumph" is an anagram of "Hi, Trump!"
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 24, 2017 12:38 PM (xAvrH)
Which sounds an awful lot like "Heil Hitler!
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 24, 2017 12:38 PM (xAvrH)
Which sounds an awful lot like "Heil Hitler!
Posted by: MSM at June 24, 2017 12:40 PM (7uYFy)
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But Caesar was a man of 'the People's not the Elite. Though born into nobility he as raised in the Suburbs and took their concerns unto himself.
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 12:26 PM (lfk5t)
Like a guy who was born in a wealthy family, but in Queens, famous for its "common parts"?
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 12:26 PM (lfk5t)
Like a guy who was born in a wealthy family, but in Queens, famous for its "common parts"?
Posted by: josephistan at June 24, 2017 12:40 PM (ANIFC)
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he makes the opposition go friggin' nuts.
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That's his super power.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
They cannot shame (and hence control) him for being a white, heterosexual male. A white heterosexual who is immune to their Kafkatrapping is the stuff of nightmares for them.
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That's his super power.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
They cannot shame (and hence control) him for being a white, heterosexual male. A white heterosexual who is immune to their Kafkatrapping is the stuff of nightmares for them.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 24, 2017 12:41 PM (xAvrH)
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Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 12:13 PM (39g3+)
Gowdy is impressive. Keen legal mind, riveting, well spoken, gets to the heart of the matter, But in the end, never manages to drive the stake through. I expect nothing but words.
Gowdy is impressive. Keen legal mind, riveting, well spoken, gets to the heart of the matter, But in the end, never manages to drive the stake through. I expect nothing but words.
Posted by: gracepc at June 24, 2017 12:41 PM (OU4q6)
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Like a guy who was born in a wealthy family, but in Queens, famous for its "common parts"?
Posted by: josephistan at June 24, 2017 12:40 PM (ANIFC)
You know who else was from Queens?
Archie Bunker.
Posted by: josephistan at June 24, 2017 12:40 PM (ANIFC)
You know who else was from Queens?
Archie Bunker.
Posted by: MSM at June 24, 2017 12:41 PM (7uYFy)
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Gowdy is impressive. Keen legal mind, riveting, well spoken, gets to the heart of the matter, But in the end, never manages to drive the stake through. I expect nothing but words.
Posted by: gracepc at June 24, 2017 12:41 PM (OU4q6)
Gowdy--like the more lightweight Issa before him--only goes as far as they allow him to go....
Gowdy is impressive. Keen legal mind, riveting, well spoken, gets to the heart of the matter, But in the end, never manages to drive the stake through. I expect nothing but words.
Posted by: gracepc at June 24, 2017 12:41 PM (OU4q6)
Gowdy--like the more lightweight Issa before him--only goes as far as they allow him to go....
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Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 24, 2017 12:14 PM (J+eG2)
2 story house so going up to the roof is intimidating. Hubby thinks more than obe drain would be affected if it was a vent obstruction.
2 story house so going up to the roof is intimidating. Hubby thinks more than obe drain would be affected if it was a vent obstruction.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 12:44 PM (hMwEB)
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"The difference is one of several magnitudes. This isn't just some muttering of people. Its a deliberate movement designed to bring about death and destruction."
Thank you. Moral equivalency is yet another one of the left's most infuriating qualities (among others). It reminds me some of the discussion of the Oregon Muse post yesterday afternoon about the Brown and Motte (sic??) tactic in which a leftist throws out a seemingly reasonable proposition, then bootstraps it to an unreasonable proposition, and then retreats to the reasonable proposition if challenged.
(L) Bigotry is wrong and hateful.
(R) Agree.
(L) Affirmative action is necessary and desirable in all instances.
(R) Well, I have some problems with affirmative action.
(L) Oh, so you are a hypocrite, not to mention a bigot, then.
There are differences, but I'm almost thinking most of leftist argumentation (such as it exists, other then outshouting, bullying, and violence) is some sort of variation of this.
Thank you. Moral equivalency is yet another one of the left's most infuriating qualities (among others). It reminds me some of the discussion of the Oregon Muse post yesterday afternoon about the Brown and Motte (sic??) tactic in which a leftist throws out a seemingly reasonable proposition, then bootstraps it to an unreasonable proposition, and then retreats to the reasonable proposition if challenged.
(L) Bigotry is wrong and hateful.
(R) Agree.
(L) Affirmative action is necessary and desirable in all instances.
(R) Well, I have some problems with affirmative action.
(L) Oh, so you are a hypocrite, not to mention a bigot, then.
There are differences, but I'm almost thinking most of leftist argumentation (such as it exists, other then outshouting, bullying, and violence) is some sort of variation of this.
Posted by: RM at June 24, 2017 12:45 PM (U3LtS)
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Gowdy was my first, second, and third choice for AG, but he apparently doesn't want the job. But yeah, all we get from him is words.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 12:45 PM (39g3+)
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Is Trump a hero? Allow me to paraphrase "The Big Lebowski":
I only mention it because sometimes there's a man... I won't say a hero, 'cause, what's a hero? But sometimes, there's a man. And I'm talkin' about Trump here. Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there.
I only mention it because sometimes there's a man... I won't say a hero, 'cause, what's a hero? But sometimes, there's a man. And I'm talkin' about Trump here. Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there.
Posted by: josephistan at June 24, 2017 12:46 PM (ANIFC)
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Nothing compels Meryl Streep, Johnny Depp, Kathy Griffin, etc. to behave like assholes. They could just keep their mouths shut. But they do this shit *voluntarily* even though it does not visibly benefit them.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 24, 2017 12:47 PM (xAvrH)
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If hubby isn't confident going onto the roof, make sure hubby doesn't go onto the roof. A friend of ours died when he fell off a ladder cleaning the gutters, and he wasn't bothered by heights or roofs at all. Bad things happen, and being nervous would make them more likely.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at June 24, 2017 12:47 PM (c2K1w)
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"Hubby thinks more than obe drain would be affected if it was a vent obstruction."
He could very well be right.
He could very well be right.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 24, 2017 12:48 PM (J+eG2)
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(L) Bigotry is wrong and hateful.
(R) Agree.
(L) Affirmative action is necessary and desirable in all instances.
The correct approach here is to say "why do you say that?" and argue from that perspective. They just offered up a no sequitur as in "what you just argued does not necessarily follow from your premise" and its on them to support their statement.
(R) Agree.
(L) Affirmative action is necessary and desirable in all instances.
The correct approach here is to say "why do you say that?" and argue from that perspective. They just offered up a no sequitur as in "what you just argued does not necessarily follow from your premise" and its on them to support their statement.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 12:50 PM (39g3+)
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Have some commas and some ands. Jeez.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at June 24, 2017 12:50 PM (03+cA)
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Ok, hubby used a garden hose, (hot water) and then compressed air, and so far fingers crossed I think it may have improved.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 12:51 PM (hMwEB)
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" If hubby isn't confident going onto the roof, make sure hubby doesn't go onto the roof. "
This too..
I do cheat, and when the guy shows up to clean our gutters every year, I toss him a few shekels to stuff the hose down the vents as a preventative measure.
Cause this old guy isn't getting on the roof either.
This too..
I do cheat, and when the guy shows up to clean our gutters every year, I toss him a few shekels to stuff the hose down the vents as a preventative measure.
Cause this old guy isn't getting on the roof either.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 24, 2017 12:51 PM (J+eG2)
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(L) Affirmative action is necessary and desirable in all instances.
If you don't want to dig that deeply into logic and rhetoric, you can simply say "my opposition to bigotry is why I reject affirmative action"
If you don't want to dig that deeply into logic and rhetoric, you can simply say "my opposition to bigotry is why I reject affirmative action"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 12:51 PM (39g3+)
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Nothing compels Meryl Streep, Johnny Depp, Kathy Griffin, etc. to behave like assholes. They could just keep their mouths shut. But they do this shit *voluntarily* even though it does not visibly benefit them.
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To unify the themes of this thread, Hollywood is a clogged up sewer which is backing up. We don't usually think about cess pool that is Hollywood just as we don't usually think about the sewer under our feet. We notice only when it backs up but it's down there always, stinking and festering.
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To unify the themes of this thread, Hollywood is a clogged up sewer which is backing up. We don't usually think about cess pool that is Hollywood just as we don't usually think about the sewer under our feet. We notice only when it backs up but it's down there always, stinking and festering.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 24, 2017 12:54 PM (Nwg0u)
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"... and despite his great personal wealth believe he cares more deeply and articulates more honestly their concerns than the professional political class --that at his age---he'll never be a part of."
Bingo.
Not that I have any real pressing problems, but I feel if I had a 10 minute conversation with PDT over a cup of coffee, I could express my personal concerns about the country, and how what is going on impacts my family and my job. I think he would listen and understand exactly what I was saying; and strangely enough, he could relate to it from his own experiences.
Now, as for say, Hilary, I'm not a potential funding source, a member of a victim group, nor even a sympathetic Democrat voter. Even if she listened and were cordial, there is simply no basis for shared knowledge based on personal experience. Not even on their radar screen.
Bingo.
Not that I have any real pressing problems, but I feel if I had a 10 minute conversation with PDT over a cup of coffee, I could express my personal concerns about the country, and how what is going on impacts my family and my job. I think he would listen and understand exactly what I was saying; and strangely enough, he could relate to it from his own experiences.
Now, as for say, Hilary, I'm not a potential funding source, a member of a victim group, nor even a sympathetic Democrat voter. Even if she listened and were cordial, there is simply no basis for shared knowledge based on personal experience. Not even on their radar screen.
Posted by: RM at June 24, 2017 12:55 PM (U3LtS)
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Compressed air worked under the sink? Send him to Lowe's or harbor freight to get one of those drain bladders.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at June 24, 2017 12:56 PM (c2K1w)
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If you don't want to dig that deeply into logic and rhetoric, you can simply say "my opposition to bigotry is why I reject affirmative action"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 12:51 PM (39g3+)
I'm probably the only one here who doesn't think that Affirmative Action for qualified black men wasn't such a bad thing. The problem is it was extended to white women--including upper middle class women with wealthy husbands or daddies and then every minority to come down the pike--including wealthy Hispanics (and from SPAIN, no less) and conniving Arabs--everyone except white men who--if they only had to compete against black men--wouldn't be doing so bad right now.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 12:51 PM (39g3+)
I'm probably the only one here who doesn't think that Affirmative Action for qualified black men wasn't such a bad thing. The problem is it was extended to white women--including upper middle class women with wealthy husbands or daddies and then every minority to come down the pike--including wealthy Hispanics (and from SPAIN, no less) and conniving Arabs--everyone except white men who--if they only had to compete against black men--wouldn't be doing so bad right now.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 12:56 PM (7uYFy)
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Drain bladder and blow bag are the names I saw when searching, btw.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at June 24, 2017 12:57 PM (c2K1w)
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@204 from the compressor to inflate flat tires, with an adapter stolen from the vacuum attachment kit
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 12:57 PM (hMwEB)
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Horde prayers accepted.
Posted by: Michael the Texan (formerly TEXIT) at June 24, 2017 11:23 AM (nvMvs)
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Michael, you've been on my mind. I've been wondering how you are doing. Thanks for the update, and the prayers continue. I'm so sorry you have to go through this.
Abby, I'll add your dad - and you - to my prayer list too. God bless him.
Posted by: Michael the Texan (formerly TEXIT) at June 24, 2017 11:23 AM (nvMvs)
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Michael, you've been on my mind. I've been wondering how you are doing. Thanks for the update, and the prayers continue. I'm so sorry you have to go through this.
Abby, I'll add your dad - and you - to my prayer list too. God bless him.
Posted by: bluebell - if your recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 12:57 PM (sBOL1)
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and duct tapr
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 12:58 PM (hMwEB)
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(L) Bigotry is wrong and hateful.
(R) Agree.
Wait a minute, what is 'bigotry?'
I remember people being called a racist because they didn't want Obama's policies.
We obviously deal with people who do not have the same definitions that we do, and that's usually self-serving to make the initial premise the proof of their entire philosophy ('if you don't think like me, you''re a bigot, therefore--')
(R) Agree.
Wait a minute, what is 'bigotry?'
I remember people being called a racist because they didn't want Obama's policies.
We obviously deal with people who do not have the same definitions that we do, and that's usually self-serving to make the initial premise the proof of their entire philosophy ('if you don't think like me, you''re a bigot, therefore--')
Posted by: Tonya Harding's Trailer at June 24, 2017 12:58 PM (oVJmc)
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Wow, that was an odd sock to forget.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 24, 2017 12:59 PM (oVJmc)
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I see modern Hollywood as being a lot like rich kids from gated communities in Boston. they are always told they're right, get whatever they want, never are criticized to their face, and are surrounded by people who think the same thing. Everyone thinks [insert racial group] is [insert stereotype], that's just accepted wisdom and unshocking. In fact, its so certain in their insular group that they gain praise and admiration for rephrasing it in interesting ways. "I'm not going to say the Belgians are cheap and lazy, but if they were not, how would they do things differently?"
Hollywood kids are surrounded by like-thinking yes-men paid to massage their egos.
Hollywood kids are surrounded by like-thinking yes-men paid to massage their egos.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 12:59 PM (39g3+)
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209 and duct tape
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 12:58 PM (hMwEB)
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Well that's just a given.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 12:58 PM (hMwEB)
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Well that's just a given.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at June 24, 2017 01:00 PM (c2K1w)
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The correct approach here is to say "why do you say that?" and argue from that perspective. They just offered up a no sequitur as in "what you just argued does not necessarily follow from your premise" and its on them to support their statement.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Or even, "What do you mean by that?"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Or even, "What do you mean by that?"
Posted by: Greg Koukl at June 24, 2017 01:01 PM (xAvrH)
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"We obviously deal with people who do not have the same definitions that we do,"
True. And their definitions are more flexible than a colonoscopy snake.
True. And their definitions are more flexible than a colonoscopy snake.
Posted by: RM at June 24, 2017 01:01 PM (U3LtS)
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There are differences, but I'm almost thinking
most of leftist argumentation (such as it exists, other then
outshouting, bullying, and violence) is some sort of variation of this.
Posted by: RM at June 24, 2017 12:45 PM (U3LtS)
It is also important to be able to state your beliefs and why you hold them, but principally with this sort of fight you aren't doing any real debating, just dealing with people screaming you down, so yea:
Make your opponent defend their own position and punch holes in their arguments.
There are differences, but I'm almost thinking
most of leftist argumentation (such as it exists, other then
outshouting, bullying, and violence) is some sort of variation of this.
Posted by: RM at June 24, 2017 12:45 PM (U3LtS)
It is also important to be able to state your beliefs and why you hold them, but principally with this sort of fight you aren't doing any real debating, just dealing with people screaming you down, so yea:
Make your opponent defend their own position and punch holes in their arguments.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 24, 2017 01:02 PM (mkDpn)
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I'm probably the only one here who doesn't think that Affirmative Action for qualified black men wasn't such a bad thing.
When it was first imposed, there was a real problem which AA tried to address. There were more than a few monumental idiots who would not hire blacks simply because they were black (see my previous post). Affirmative Action was an attempt do break that stupid system by government force.
Now, that doesn't make it any less based on bigotry: benefiting one ethnic group at the expense of another. But it was, at the time, more defensible in theory despite being an unconstitutional imposition of federal power over state issues.
When it was first imposed, there was a real problem which AA tried to address. There were more than a few monumental idiots who would not hire blacks simply because they were black (see my previous post). Affirmative Action was an attempt do break that stupid system by government force.
Now, that doesn't make it any less based on bigotry: benefiting one ethnic group at the expense of another. But it was, at the time, more defensible in theory despite being an unconstitutional imposition of federal power over state issues.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:03 PM (39g3+)
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Drain bladder and blow bag are the names I saw when searching, btw.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo
I'm confused. Which do you want me to do first?
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo
I'm confused. Which do you want me to do first?
Posted by: Shep Smith at June 24, 2017 01:05 PM (xAvrH)
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CNN deletes, retracts story linking Trump and Russia
"That story did not meet CNN's editorial standards and has been retracted," CNN said in an editors note posted in place of the story.
Huh? It was viciously anti-Trump, hysterical, and completely phony. That exactly meets CNN's editorial standards.
"That story did not meet CNN's editorial standards and has been retracted," CNN said in an editors note posted in place of the story.
Huh? It was viciously anti-Trump, hysterical, and completely phony. That exactly meets CNN's editorial standards.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 24, 2017 01:05 PM (Nwg0u)
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True. And their definitions are more flexible than a colonoscopy snake.
Because they are based on emotion rather than reason, and they philosophically reject absolutes. In practice, of course, they live and argue as if they exist, but in theory they think there are none.
Because they are based on emotion rather than reason, and they philosophically reject absolutes. In practice, of course, they live and argue as if they exist, but in theory they think there are none.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:05 PM (39g3+)
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209 and duct tapr
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 12:58 PM (hMwEB)
I just had pest control in for the duct tapirs.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 12:58 PM (hMwEB)
I just had pest control in for the duct tapirs.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:07 PM (0mRoj)
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Gowdy--like the more lightweight Issa before him--only goes as far as they allow him to go....
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 12:42 PM (7uYFy)
Apparently I have to keep pointing this out: they're fucking Congressmen, OK? They're not police officers, they're not prosecutors, they're not jailers, they're not executioners.
They're Congressmen. Holding hearings is ALL THEY CAN DO. They're in the legislative branch, not the executive or judicial branches of government.
Got it?
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 12:42 PM (7uYFy)
Apparently I have to keep pointing this out: they're fucking Congressmen, OK? They're not police officers, they're not prosecutors, they're not jailers, they're not executioners.
They're Congressmen. Holding hearings is ALL THEY CAN DO. They're in the legislative branch, not the executive or judicial branches of government.
Got it?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 01:07 PM (SRKgf)
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. "I'm not going to say the Belgians are cheap and lazy, but if they were not, how would they do things differently?"
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Fucking Belgians. Who needs 'em.
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Fucking Belgians. Who needs 'em.
Posted by: The Chicken at June 24, 2017 01:08 PM (Fmupd)
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Holding hearings is ALL THEY CAN DO.
They can actually nail people for lying under oath and impeach people, but they are very limited, I agree.
They can actually nail people for lying under oath and impeach people, but they are very limited, I agree.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:09 PM (39g3+)
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If you had told me three years ago that Donald Trump would be the next President of the United States, I would have had you committed.
He's been in the public eye for decades, so he's a known quantity. I think that definitely helped him at the polls. I doubt that anyone who voted for him thought he was a saint or a savior, but they knew what they were getting.
The fact that a NYC billionaire connected with working-class people in flyover country is remarkable, but not really that surprising when you think about it. In the course of running his business, he has dealt with people from all walks of life, unlike the career politicians who never leave their Ivy League law school/DC Beltway bubble.
It's downright spooky that his campaign rallied always ended with the Rolling Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want". He certainly seems to be the President America needs right now.
He's been in the public eye for decades, so he's a known quantity. I think that definitely helped him at the polls. I doubt that anyone who voted for him thought he was a saint or a savior, but they knew what they were getting.
The fact that a NYC billionaire connected with working-class people in flyover country is remarkable, but not really that surprising when you think about it. In the course of running his business, he has dealt with people from all walks of life, unlike the career politicians who never leave their Ivy League law school/DC Beltway bubble.
It's downright spooky that his campaign rallied always ended with the Rolling Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want". He certainly seems to be the President America needs right now.
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 01:09 PM (sdi6R)
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Off fowl sock
Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2017 01:10 PM (Fmupd)
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I unexpectedly just heard back from a prospective employer that want to have an in-person interview. I was certain it was DOA but apparently not. Now I'm left wondering if they're desperate or something otherwise unsavory. But that's probably just me being weird.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:10 PM (0mRoj)
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" They just offered up a no sequitur as in "what you just argued does not necessarily follow from your premise" and its on them to support their statement.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Or even, "What do you mean by that?"
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Heard a Philly talk radio host interview a reporter last week. These are almost direct quotes toward the end of the interview.
Reporter: Trump and his administration are racist.
Host: Whoa, whoa, I'm not going to let that slide, what do you mean and what evidence is there of that?
Reporter: I'm not going to spend my time arguing with you about that point. It's a fact.
Host: No, it's not a fact, you need to have some support for that opinion.
Reporter: Look, I'm not going to waste my time debating whether Trump's a racist. That's not a debatable point, because Sessions.
Interview pretty much over at that point as it was getting pretty hostile and the host tries to be polite.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Or even, "What do you mean by that?"
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Heard a Philly talk radio host interview a reporter last week. These are almost direct quotes toward the end of the interview.
Reporter: Trump and his administration are racist.
Host: Whoa, whoa, I'm not going to let that slide, what do you mean and what evidence is there of that?
Reporter: I'm not going to spend my time arguing with you about that point. It's a fact.
Host: No, it's not a fact, you need to have some support for that opinion.
Reporter: Look, I'm not going to waste my time debating whether Trump's a racist. That's not a debatable point, because Sessions.
Interview pretty much over at that point as it was getting pretty hostile and the host tries to be polite.
Posted by: RM at June 24, 2017 01:12 PM (U3LtS)
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good luck Insomniac!
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 24, 2017 01:12 PM (hMwEB)
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Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:10 PM (0mRoj)
OR... the force is with you. The winds have changed. Enjoy.
OR... the force is with you. The winds have changed. Enjoy.
Posted by: gracepc at June 24, 2017 01:12 PM (OU4q6)
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It's downright spooky that his campaign rallied always ended with the Rolling Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want".
That originally, that was just a wink at the crowd: I'll promise but it won't all happen. I believe he started out pretty much Bill Clinton without a hateful wife, but by the end of the campaign had been so savaged and so infuriated by the left he's got a revenge list ten miles long.
The Democrats blew it so badly with Trump. They could have, I believe, easily coopted him and he'd have been willing to work with them. Instead, they went berserk, they lost their damned minds.
That originally, that was just a wink at the crowd: I'll promise but it won't all happen. I believe he started out pretty much Bill Clinton without a hateful wife, but by the end of the campaign had been so savaged and so infuriated by the left he's got a revenge list ten miles long.
The Democrats blew it so badly with Trump. They could have, I believe, easily coopted him and he'd have been willing to work with them. Instead, they went berserk, they lost their damned minds.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:13 PM (39g3+)
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227 I unexpectedly just heard back from a prospective employer that want to have an in-person interview. I was certain it was DOA but apparently not. Now I'm left wondering if they're desperate or something otherwise unsavory. But that's probably just me being weird.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:10 PM (0mRoj)
Put the negativity behind you. Go in with a positive attitude, an open mind, do your best, and let the chips fall where they may.
That's my advice, worth every penny you paid for it.
Now go get 'em!
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:10 PM (0mRoj)
Put the negativity behind you. Go in with a positive attitude, an open mind, do your best, and let the chips fall where they may.
That's my advice, worth every penny you paid for it.
Now go get 'em!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 01:14 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 01:14 PM (QGoUX)
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Posted by: RM at June 24, 2017 01:12 PM (U3LtS)
Good to see someone was at least trying to push back against unsupported assertions. It's sad that even that little bit is a huge improvement over the last 20 years or so.
Good to see someone was at least trying to push back against unsupported assertions. It's sad that even that little bit is a huge improvement over the last 20 years or so.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 24, 2017 01:15 PM (sEDyY)
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I saw The Drain Bladders play the The Senators at Wrigley Field in 1971.
Posted by: Under Fire at June 24, 2017 01:16 PM (l4aLi)
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 01:16 PM (7uYFy)
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Were their expressions not so odious and dangerous, the keyboard tough guy utterances of these heavy-flow manginas would be humorous.
As they stand, they are the written-word equals of the bicycle lock to the face attacker in Berkeley and are in need of a good throat punching.
Were their expressions not so odious and dangerous, the keyboard tough guy utterances of these heavy-flow manginas would be humorous.
As they stand, they are the written-word equals of the bicycle lock to the face attacker in Berkeley and are in need of a good throat punching.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 24, 2017 01:18 PM (nkv98)
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>>>As another Moron recently pointed out, we just had
the first mass assassination attempt of ONLY one political party in the
history of our nation, and even the members of that political party are
no longer talking about it.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo<<<
Are we sure they aren't too stupid to realize that that is what happened, or do we accept this as confirmation that they're too stupid to recognize that that is what happened? Hmm. Seems as if a certain element of the GOPe is suicidal.
the first mass assassination attempt of ONLY one political party in the
history of our nation, and even the members of that political party are
no longer talking about it.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo<<<
Are we sure they aren't too stupid to realize that that is what happened, or do we accept this as confirmation that they're too stupid to recognize that that is what happened? Hmm. Seems as if a certain element of the GOPe is suicidal.
Posted by: Fritz at June 24, 2017 01:18 PM (/HfBH)
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Reporter: Trump and his administration are racist.
Host: Whoa, whoa, I'm not going to let that slide, what do you mean and what evidence is there of that?
Reporter: I'm not going to spend my time arguing with you about that point. It's a fact.
Host: No, it's not a fact, you need to have some support for that opinion.
Reporter: Look, I'm not going to waste my time debating whether Trump's a racist. That's not a debatable point, because Sessions.
Host (in parallel universe): So you have absolutely no basis for your opinion, and no defense of it.
When people prevaricate like that, I like to sharpen their views and put it on them to object.
Me: So you think X, yes or no?
Them: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Me: So that's a "yes."
Host: Whoa, whoa, I'm not going to let that slide, what do you mean and what evidence is there of that?
Reporter: I'm not going to spend my time arguing with you about that point. It's a fact.
Host: No, it's not a fact, you need to have some support for that opinion.
Reporter: Look, I'm not going to waste my time debating whether Trump's a racist. That's not a debatable point, because Sessions.
Host (in parallel universe): So you have absolutely no basis for your opinion, and no defense of it.
When people prevaricate like that, I like to sharpen their views and put it on them to object.
Me: So you think X, yes or no?
Them: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Me: So that's a "yes."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 01:18 PM (SRKgf)
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Fucking Belgians. Who needs 'em.
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They can toss their waffles into the canal and I'll have pancakes like an American.
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They can toss their waffles into the canal and I'll have pancakes like an American.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 24, 2017 01:18 PM (Nwg0u)
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Put the negativity behind you. Go in with a positive attitude, an open mind, do your best, and let the chips fall where they may.
That's my advice, worth every penny you paid for it.
Old habits my man, old habits. But it's good advice.
That's my advice, worth every penny you paid for it.
Old habits my man, old habits. But it's good advice.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:18 PM (0mRoj)
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Thank you all for the prayers and kind words. The rest of the family has abandoned us, wanted me to dump him when he was diagnosed, but I wouldn't. My husband and I have been blessed with his company for 10 years.
Posted by: Abby at June 24, 2017 01:19 PM (HBU7W)
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Jay, yes, but there are several areas of actual or potential overlap (where congressional investigative and subpoena power can directly play into legal action).
Take the example of Comey's appearance after his ludicrous July 2016 .... uh, not sure what to call it, the press event where he violated his oath, violated the accepted practices of his job, and beclowned himself with misstatements about the law.
Recall that Gowdy (I think?) followed up on something, the implication was that Hillary had perjured herself before the Congress earlier, based on Comey's statement of the facts - Gowdy said we'll follow up on this, Comey said please do, we'll provide what you need?
Whatever happened to that?
Also, the across-the-board refusal by the GOP to use Congress' main power - that of the purse/$ - has been as disastrous and inexcusable in these areas of law-breaking as in areas of policy. Take the "unmasking" scandal - which probably includes criminal as well as outlandish ethical and policy violations. Relevant agencies, AFAIK, *continue* to refuse to provide the oversight committees with info on this that has been requested.
WTFF? None of this scene, none of it, is comprehensible, or recognizable as the US, based on direct relevant experience that was not *that* long ago.
But few (understandably so - most people aren't govt. geeks who've wasted their lives inside the beast) really know much about the mechanics of how things did, should, and can work. So the jaw-dropping refusal of the GOP to engage in politics, or use their power to that and good policy ends, is only perceived by a few, even though many are frustrated just based on common sense.
Take the example of Comey's appearance after his ludicrous July 2016 .... uh, not sure what to call it, the press event where he violated his oath, violated the accepted practices of his job, and beclowned himself with misstatements about the law.
Recall that Gowdy (I think?) followed up on something, the implication was that Hillary had perjured herself before the Congress earlier, based on Comey's statement of the facts - Gowdy said we'll follow up on this, Comey said please do, we'll provide what you need?
Whatever happened to that?
Also, the across-the-board refusal by the GOP to use Congress' main power - that of the purse/$ - has been as disastrous and inexcusable in these areas of law-breaking as in areas of policy. Take the "unmasking" scandal - which probably includes criminal as well as outlandish ethical and policy violations. Relevant agencies, AFAIK, *continue* to refuse to provide the oversight committees with info on this that has been requested.
WTFF? None of this scene, none of it, is comprehensible, or recognizable as the US, based on direct relevant experience that was not *that* long ago.
But few (understandably so - most people aren't govt. geeks who've wasted their lives inside the beast) really know much about the mechanics of how things did, should, and can work. So the jaw-dropping refusal of the GOP to engage in politics, or use their power to that and good policy ends, is only perceived by a few, even though many are frustrated just based on common sense.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2017 01:19 PM (iynDC)
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The Democrats blew it so badly with Trump. They could have, I believe, easily coopted him and he'd have been willing to work with them. Instead, they went berserk, they lost their damned minds.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:13 PM (39g3+)
I agree. I think you're right about that.
Maybe file under "hubris"?
The Democrats blew it so badly with Trump. They could have, I believe, easily coopted him and he'd have been willing to work with them. Instead, they went berserk, they lost their damned minds.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:13 PM (39g3+)
I agree. I think you're right about that.
Maybe file under "hubris"?
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 01:20 PM (sdi6R)
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233 Insomniac, that's a good sign!
And they could be desperate for a good employee.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 01:14 PM (QGoUX)
Or it could be cover for the black lesbian amputee midget they already know they're going to hire regardless, but have to go through the pretense of an interview process to avoid lawsuits.
I'm kidding. Sort of. But who knows.
And they could be desperate for a good employee.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 01:14 PM (QGoUX)
Or it could be cover for the black lesbian amputee midget they already know they're going to hire regardless, but have to go through the pretense of an interview process to avoid lawsuits.
I'm kidding. Sort of. But who knows.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:21 PM (0mRoj)
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"John Wilkes Booth and company planned to kill Lincoln, Johnson, Seward and others--decapitate the government--but for a variety of reasons failed except for Lincoln, and Seward--who was stabbed multiple times-- but survived."
Wouldn't that also count as a mass assassination attempt against only Republicans?
Wouldn't that also count as a mass assassination attempt against only Republicans?
Posted by: Secret Square at June 24, 2017 01:22 PM (9WuX0)
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Them: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Me: So that's a "yes."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 01:18 PM (SRKgf)
I've done that a couple of times in depositions when the witness gave long, rambling, impenetrable answers. Opposing counsel was not amused.
Me: So that's a "yes."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 01:18 PM (SRKgf)
I've done that a couple of times in depositions when the witness gave long, rambling, impenetrable answers. Opposing counsel was not amused.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:22 PM (0mRoj)
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Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2017 01:19 PM (iynDC)
True enough. I fully agree with the criticism of the GOP as a party.
I was pointing out the folly of blaming an individual Congressman for not doing more. He's only one of 435, and as an individual has little or no power.
Hell, Issa lost his job as chairman of the government oversight committee because he pushed too hard and butted heads with the party leadership on issuing contempt citations. Then he gets blamed for not doing more.
True enough. I fully agree with the criticism of the GOP as a party.
I was pointing out the folly of blaming an individual Congressman for not doing more. He's only one of 435, and as an individual has little or no power.
Hell, Issa lost his job as chairman of the government oversight committee because he pushed too hard and butted heads with the party leadership on issuing contempt citations. Then he gets blamed for not doing more.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 01:24 PM (SRKgf)
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246 "John Wilkes Booth and company planned to kill Lincoln, Johnson, Seward and others--decapitate the government--but for a variety of reasons failed except for Lincoln, and Seward--who was stabbed multiple times-- but survived."
Wouldn't that also count as a mass assassination attempt against only Republicans?
Posted by: Secret Square at June 24, 2017 01:22 PM (9WuX0)
It sure does.
Wouldn't that also count as a mass assassination attempt against only Republicans?
Posted by: Secret Square at June 24, 2017 01:22 PM (9WuX0)
It sure does.
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 01:24 PM (sdi6R)
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I've done that a couple of times in depositions when the witness gave long, rambling, impenetrable answers. Opposing counsel was not amused.
People get very upset when you sum up their attempts to obfuscate, confuse, and deceive. Sometimes they don't even know what they were trying to say and are angry when you pin down what they actually said. I've gotten into a lot of arguments with women in this regard
People get very upset when you sum up their attempts to obfuscate, confuse, and deceive. Sometimes they don't even know what they were trying to say and are angry when you pin down what they actually said. I've gotten into a lot of arguments with women in this regard
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:25 PM (39g3+)
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I've done that a couple of times in depositions when the witness gave long, rambling, impenetrable answers. Opposing counsel was not amused.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:22 PM (0mRoj)
I'm sure, but isn't that a valid question: "So that's a 'yes?'"
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:22 PM (0mRoj)
I'm sure, but isn't that a valid question: "So that's a 'yes?'"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 01:25 PM (SRKgf)
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Now I'm left wondering if they're desperate or something otherwise unsavory. But that's probably just me being weird.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:10 PM (0mRoj)
Things are changing rapidly, my friend. Just heard of a local employer that just tripled the referral 'finders fee' for any employee who finds them a qualified applicant who stays 90 days or longer.
On the other hand, finding out an employers turnover ratio is never a bad thing. Zero to about 15% is country club, above that pretty normal. You see a company with higher than 50% turnover, you're into sweatshop range. This employer I mentioned above with the bonus, I ran their numbers -- greater than 100% turnover per year.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:10 PM (0mRoj)
Things are changing rapidly, my friend. Just heard of a local employer that just tripled the referral 'finders fee' for any employee who finds them a qualified applicant who stays 90 days or longer.
On the other hand, finding out an employers turnover ratio is never a bad thing. Zero to about 15% is country club, above that pretty normal. You see a company with higher than 50% turnover, you're into sweatshop range. This employer I mentioned above with the bonus, I ran their numbers -- greater than 100% turnover per year.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 01:25 PM (PduNE)
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219 CNN deletes, retracts story linking Trump and Russia
"That story did not meet CNN's editorial standards and has been retracted," CNN said in an editors note posted in place of the story.
Huh? It was viciously anti-Trump, hysterical, and completely phony. That exactly meets CNN's editorial standards.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 24, 2017 01:05 PM (Nwg0u)
Then how the hell did it get published in the first place?
Don't they have editors looking at stuff BEFORE its published?
"That story did not meet CNN's editorial standards and has been retracted," CNN said in an editors note posted in place of the story.
Huh? It was viciously anti-Trump, hysterical, and completely phony. That exactly meets CNN's editorial standards.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 24, 2017 01:05 PM (Nwg0u)
Then how the hell did it get published in the first place?
Don't they have editors looking at stuff BEFORE its published?
Posted by: Don Q., at June 24, 2017 01:25 PM (NgKpN)
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Gowdy--like the more lightweight Issa before him--only goes as far as they allow him to go....
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 12:42 PM (7uYFy)
That is true. There are some options Impeachment, Contempt of Congress. I am totally clueless about what they can do. But it would only seem logical that more can be done. For instance, if there is evidence of suspicion of wrong doing that becomes clarified, under oath, can they not request something like a Special Prosecutor, refer it to a law enforcement agency, send it to the Ethics Committee, the all time WDC favorite -- leak the information?
If there truly is no recourse, then why bother at all? What is the reasoning? If it were proven without a shadow of a doubt that Hillary Clinton herself made a call to stand down for the Benghazi rescue (clearly not true) what would happen? What path would that take?
Further it seems there are things Congress an do but does not. Like request that the Susan Rice unmasking info be retrieved from wherever it is and returned to Congress.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 12:42 PM (7uYFy)
That is true. There are some options Impeachment, Contempt of Congress. I am totally clueless about what they can do. But it would only seem logical that more can be done. For instance, if there is evidence of suspicion of wrong doing that becomes clarified, under oath, can they not request something like a Special Prosecutor, refer it to a law enforcement agency, send it to the Ethics Committee, the all time WDC favorite -- leak the information?
If there truly is no recourse, then why bother at all? What is the reasoning? If it were proven without a shadow of a doubt that Hillary Clinton herself made a call to stand down for the Benghazi rescue (clearly not true) what would happen? What path would that take?
Further it seems there are things Congress an do but does not. Like request that the Susan Rice unmasking info be retrieved from wherever it is and returned to Congress.
Posted by: gracepc at June 24, 2017 01:26 PM (OU4q6)
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People get very upset when you sum up their attempts to obfuscate, confuse, and deceive. Sometimes they don't even know what they were trying to say and are angry when you pin down what they actually said. I've gotten into a lot of arguments with women in this regard
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:25 PM (39g3+)
Hoo boy. That's a losing battle.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:25 PM (39g3+)
Hoo boy. That's a losing battle.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:26 PM (0mRoj)
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I qualified my comment about the "only mass political assassination attempt in our history" with a reference to the Puerto Rican attack on the House chamber - and the wider plot of which Booth's murder of Lincoln apparently also qualifies.
My point did not rest on those particular historical details.
Point was what an outrageous, shocking, and (practically speaking) unprecedented event this was - and the astonishingly small little ripple it seemed to make in the pool of public opinion and even Beltway mood.
My point did not rest on those particular historical details.
Point was what an outrageous, shocking, and (practically speaking) unprecedented event this was - and the astonishingly small little ripple it seemed to make in the pool of public opinion and even Beltway mood.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2017 01:26 PM (iynDC)
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My tactic in these discussions/confrontations is pre-emptive. Make them define their terminology before agreeing with their proposition.
Do you agree bigotry is bad?
Tell me what you mean by bigotry?
Yadda yadda yadda.
OK, for the sake of the discussion, I agree that bigotry - as you've defined it - is bad.
Do you agree that affirmative action is good?
Affirmative action as it was intended or as it is practiced?
Yadda yadda
Well then no - I think AA is more destructive than constructive.
Then you're a bigot.
No - by your own definition AA is institutionalized bigotry - and I am opposed to bigotry.
Do you agree bigotry is bad?
Tell me what you mean by bigotry?
Yadda yadda yadda.
OK, for the sake of the discussion, I agree that bigotry - as you've defined it - is bad.
Do you agree that affirmative action is good?
Affirmative action as it was intended or as it is practiced?
Yadda yadda
Well then no - I think AA is more destructive than constructive.
Then you're a bigot.
No - by your own definition AA is institutionalized bigotry - and I am opposed to bigotry.
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 01:26 PM (R11IW)
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"John Wilkes Booth and company planned to kill Lincoln, Johnson, Seward and others--decapitate the government--but for a variety of reasons failed except for Lincoln, and Seward--who was stabbed multiple times-- but survived."
Wouldn't that also count as a mass assassination attempt against only Republicans?
Posted by: Secret Square at June 24, 2017 01:22 PM (9WuX0)
FBI: Not in our book. No motive or intent. Just a random act now move along
Wouldn't that also count as a mass assassination attempt against only Republicans?
Posted by: Secret Square at June 24, 2017 01:22 PM (9WuX0)
FBI: Not in our book. No motive or intent. Just a random act now move along
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 24, 2017 01:27 PM (auHtY)
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I'm sure, but isn't that a valid question: "So that's a 'yes?'"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 01:25 PM (SRKgf)
Sort of. It's all in the delivery.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 01:25 PM (SRKgf)
Sort of. It's all in the delivery.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:27 PM (0mRoj)
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The Democrats blew it so badly with Trump. They could have, I believe, easily coopted him and he'd have been willing to work with them. Instead, they went berserk, they lost their damned minds.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:13 PM (39g3+)
They played to their base. I believe even Schumer was willing to play ball with Trump in the beginning---then they protested in front his house or something. Don't forget they even got on Jimmy Fallon just for being "nice" to Trump when he was on his show. They called it "normalizing" Trump. They are idiots.
Now I have no doubt that Trump could probably charm certain individual Democrats if he spoke one on one to them, but they'll won't join him in anything because they fear they'll fear the wrath....
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:13 PM (39g3+)
They played to their base. I believe even Schumer was willing to play ball with Trump in the beginning---then they protested in front his house or something. Don't forget they even got on Jimmy Fallon just for being "nice" to Trump when he was on his show. They called it "normalizing" Trump. They are idiots.
Now I have no doubt that Trump could probably charm certain individual Democrats if he spoke one on one to them, but they'll won't join him in anything because they fear they'll fear the wrath....
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 01:27 PM (7uYFy)
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250 I've done that a couple of times in depositions when the witness gave long, rambling, impenetrable answers. Opposing counsel was not amused.
People get very upset when you sum up their attempts to obfuscate, confuse, and deceive. Sometimes they don't even know what they were trying to say and are angry when you pin down what they actually said. I've gotten into a lot of arguments with women in this regard
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:25 PM (39g3+)
Alternative to putting words in someone's mouth in that scenario: stand there patiently listening, then at the end say, "Are you done?" and then ask the original question again.
People get very upset when you sum up their attempts to obfuscate, confuse, and deceive. Sometimes they don't even know what they were trying to say and are angry when you pin down what they actually said. I've gotten into a lot of arguments with women in this regard
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:25 PM (39g3+)
Alternative to putting words in someone's mouth in that scenario: stand there patiently listening, then at the end say, "Are you done?" and then ask the original question again.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 01:27 PM (SRKgf)
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Reporter: Trump and his administration are racist.
Host: Whoa, whoa, I'm not going to let that slide, what do you mean and what evidence is there of that?
Reporter: I'm not going to spend my time arguing with you about that point. It's a fact.
This is why I no longer read/listen to the MSM. I'm not fucking stupid. You can't just make assertions like this and expect that the tone of your voice in itself will make me believe you are right. It's like that cretin Maxine Waters (or any other number of liberal cretins) spouting off angry indignant nonsense and thinking that their vocal inflections constitute acceptable proofs of the bullshit they spout. I hate these people.
Host: Whoa, whoa, I'm not going to let that slide, what do you mean and what evidence is there of that?
Reporter: I'm not going to spend my time arguing with you about that point. It's a fact.
This is why I no longer read/listen to the MSM. I'm not fucking stupid. You can't just make assertions like this and expect that the tone of your voice in itself will make me believe you are right. It's like that cretin Maxine Waters (or any other number of liberal cretins) spouting off angry indignant nonsense and thinking that their vocal inflections constitute acceptable proofs of the bullshit they spout. I hate these people.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 24, 2017 01:28 PM (xAvrH)
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On the other hand, finding out an employers turnover ratio is never a bad thing. Zero to about 15% is country club, above that pretty normal. You see a company with higher than 50% turnover, you're into sweatshop range. This employer I mentioned above with the bonus, I ran their numbers -- greater than 100% turnover per year.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 01:25 PM (PduNE)
I worked at a place like that once. Morale was for shit but the higher-ups just couldn't figure it out.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 01:25 PM (PduNE)
I worked at a place like that once. Morale was for shit but the higher-ups just couldn't figure it out.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:29 PM (0mRoj)
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Sort of. It's all in the delivery.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:27 PM (0mRoj)
Good point.
Look on the bright side: someone who gives long impenetrable answers in deposition will probably do the same thing on cross-examination if called as a witness at trial, and that comes across so badly to the judge/jury.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:27 PM (0mRoj)
Good point.
Look on the bright side: someone who gives long impenetrable answers in deposition will probably do the same thing on cross-examination if called as a witness at trial, and that comes across so badly to the judge/jury.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 01:30 PM (SRKgf)
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stand there patiently listening, then at the end say, "Are you done?" and then ask the original question again.
Yeah, that does't seem to go over well, either. That's why stupid feminists came up with the term "mansplaining."
Men tend (not all men, nor consistently) to be more rational and analytical, and women tend (not all women, nor consistently) to be more emotional and intuitive. That causes clashes, when a woman will intuit or feel something to be true, but is not experienced or skilled at analyzing why she came to that conclusion or arguing it and the man wants to know and understand.
Sometimes language betrays us as well: she will say something that to a man's rational approach means one of a few limited things, but to her means another set entirely. The more tired, hungry, and sickly I feel, the less patient I am with this and the more I demand answers. That never works out.
Yeah, that does't seem to go over well, either. That's why stupid feminists came up with the term "mansplaining."
Men tend (not all men, nor consistently) to be more rational and analytical, and women tend (not all women, nor consistently) to be more emotional and intuitive. That causes clashes, when a woman will intuit or feel something to be true, but is not experienced or skilled at analyzing why she came to that conclusion or arguing it and the man wants to know and understand.
Sometimes language betrays us as well: she will say something that to a man's rational approach means one of a few limited things, but to her means another set entirely. The more tired, hungry, and sickly I feel, the less patient I am with this and the more I demand answers. That never works out.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:33 PM (39g3+)
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Shame on me - my patience and rage-management policies prevent any closer attention - but take the current/recent case of the "unmasking" outrages.
There was talk that re-authorization for certain surveillance programs would be delayed, or denied, absent agency responsiveness to inquiries about who ordered unmasking and who had access.
This is exactly the sort of leverage that Congress has, in myriad little and big ways, over the agencies. It goes beyond holding appointments or $$$ hostage. (BTW, I don't know what happened with those re-authorization threats related to unmasking info)
Back when I was there, it was a daily, ongoing process of exerting influence over the executive branch. Just part of the framework within which everyone worked. Now?
Congress has presented a bizarre image of helplessness, when it actually holds most of the cards. The GOP's absolute refusal, their Stalingrad-defender-like resolution in NOT engaging in politics (using your power in a high-profile way to get results, and explaining and crowing about it to the electorate, while forcing opponents to take opposing stands - "differentiation"), is mostly to blame, I think.
There was talk that re-authorization for certain surveillance programs would be delayed, or denied, absent agency responsiveness to inquiries about who ordered unmasking and who had access.
This is exactly the sort of leverage that Congress has, in myriad little and big ways, over the agencies. It goes beyond holding appointments or $$$ hostage. (BTW, I don't know what happened with those re-authorization threats related to unmasking info)
Back when I was there, it was a daily, ongoing process of exerting influence over the executive branch. Just part of the framework within which everyone worked. Now?
Congress has presented a bizarre image of helplessness, when it actually holds most of the cards. The GOP's absolute refusal, their Stalingrad-defender-like resolution in NOT engaging in politics (using your power in a high-profile way to get results, and explaining and crowing about it to the electorate, while forcing opponents to take opposing stands - "differentiation"), is mostly to blame, I think.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2017 01:34 PM (iynDC)
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Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:33 PM (39g3+)
Pro tip: arguing with women in one's personal life is a no-win proposition. You've pre-lost; subsequent festivities just determine how badly you've lost.
Pro tip: arguing with women in one's personal life is a no-win proposition. You've pre-lost; subsequent festivities just determine how badly you've lost.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 01:35 PM (SRKgf)
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Now I have no doubt that Trump could probably charm
certain individual Democrats if he spoke one on one to them, but they'll
won't join him in anything because they fear they'll fear the
wrath....
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 01:27 PM (7uYFy)
When the only economist who would talk to General Pinochet was Milton Friedman . . Well, guess what.
certain individual Democrats if he spoke one on one to them, but they'll
won't join him in anything because they fear they'll fear the
wrath....
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 01:27 PM (7uYFy)
When the only economist who would talk to General Pinochet was Milton Friedman . . Well, guess what.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 24, 2017 01:35 PM (mkDpn)
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It's like that cretin Maxine Waters (or any other number of liberal cretins) spouting off angry indignant nonsense and thinking that their vocal inflections constitute acceptable proofs of the bullshit they spout.
This seems to be an ethnic thing, Chris Rock actually has talked about it with other comedians, the differences in audience and delivery, repetition etc.
This seems to be an ethnic thing, Chris Rock actually has talked about it with other comedians, the differences in audience and delivery, repetition etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:37 PM (39g3+)
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This seems to be an ethnic thing, Chris Rock actually has talked about it with other comedians, the differences in audience and delivery, repetition etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:37 PM (39g3+)
Of course. No one says "Muthafucka" quite like Samuel Jackson...
This seems to be an ethnic thing, Chris Rock actually has talked about it with other comedians, the differences in audience and delivery, repetition etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:37 PM (39g3+)
Of course. No one says "Muthafucka" quite like Samuel Jackson...
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 01:38 PM (7uYFy)
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It's like that cretin Maxine Waters (or any other number of liberal cretins) spouting off angry indignant nonsense and thinking that their vocal inflections constitute acceptable proofs of the bullshit they spout.
Captain of the Towson University debate team?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8&t=151s
Captain of the Towson University debate team?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8&t=151s
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 01:39 PM (SRKgf)
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Posted by: Abby at June 24, 2017 11:45 AM (HBU7W)
Of course I will pray for your dad and the other WWII vets. You did a good thing in caring for him, Abby. I will pray that his transition will be as smooth as possible through the grace of God and give you and for family continued strength and peace in caring for him.
Of course I will pray for your dad and the other WWII vets. You did a good thing in caring for him, Abby. I will pray that his transition will be as smooth as possible through the grace of God and give you and for family continued strength and peace in caring for him.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2017 01:39 PM (qES5k)
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This is exactly the sort of leverage that Congress has, in myriad little and big ways, over the agencies. It goes beyond holding appointments or $$$ hostage. (BTW, I don't know what happened with those re-authorization threats related to unmasking info)
Back when I was there, it was a daily, ongoing process of exerting influence over the executive branch. Just part of the framework within which everyone worked. Now?
Yeah, exactly. Congress isn't a powerless bunch of talking heads, they have considerable leverage that they refuse to engage in. And I think that's largely because the Democrats figured out how corruptible they were and used that to get them involved in the executive machine. Expose us, and you expose you. Hurt us and you help your enemies in the Tea Party
Back when I was there, it was a daily, ongoing process of exerting influence over the executive branch. Just part of the framework within which everyone worked. Now?
Yeah, exactly. Congress isn't a powerless bunch of talking heads, they have considerable leverage that they refuse to engage in. And I think that's largely because the Democrats figured out how corruptible they were and used that to get them involved in the executive machine. Expose us, and you expose you. Hurt us and you help your enemies in the Tea Party
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:39 PM (39g3+)
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Marius and Sulla. Oct 2017 Mike Duncan, podcaster supreme's book about the prologue to Caesar.
Johnny Depp, douche.
Johnny Depp, douche.
Posted by: Joe Mack at June 24, 2017 01:40 PM (uz/Pv)
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Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2017 01:34 PM (iynDC)
Congress ceded most of its power, when they started doing Ongoing Resolutions for the Appropriation Bills.
And then gave Regulatory power to the Executive Branch... with the power of Law...
Oh, and on Supreme Court Issues, if its about a Law Passed by Congress... how about Sense of the Congress Bills which TELL the Supreme Court what it meant by a Law... (like Robert's Obamacare is a tax crap, when Congress said it was not a tax... a resolution passed by Congress to the effect it was NOT a Tax, would have torpedoed Robert's sophistry...).
Congress ceded most of its power, when they started doing Ongoing Resolutions for the Appropriation Bills.
And then gave Regulatory power to the Executive Branch... with the power of Law...
Oh, and on Supreme Court Issues, if its about a Law Passed by Congress... how about Sense of the Congress Bills which TELL the Supreme Court what it meant by a Law... (like Robert's Obamacare is a tax crap, when Congress said it was not a tax... a resolution passed by Congress to the effect it was NOT a Tax, would have torpedoed Robert's sophistry...).
Posted by: Don Q., at June 24, 2017 01:40 PM (NgKpN)
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There were no important issues on which Dems could have "co-opted" Trump.
Border security? Immigration rule of law? Sanity and science in environmental matters? Muscular, practical, non-passive approaches to trade negotiations? Tax cuts? Not seeing any plausible cases here.
Health insurance. There, who knows. But it's really not a case of the Dems co-opting anybody. It's a case of the GOP having pulled one of the more audacious campaigns of dishonesty for 7 years now (and that's saying something, of course), when they had no intention of "repeal", and hadn't spent 15 minutes working on "replace".
Border security? Immigration rule of law? Sanity and science in environmental matters? Muscular, practical, non-passive approaches to trade negotiations? Tax cuts? Not seeing any plausible cases here.
Health insurance. There, who knows. But it's really not a case of the Dems co-opting anybody. It's a case of the GOP having pulled one of the more audacious campaigns of dishonesty for 7 years now (and that's saying something, of course), when they had no intention of "repeal", and hadn't spent 15 minutes working on "replace".
Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2017 01:41 PM (iynDC)
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Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:10 PM (0mRoj)
That's good news. I think Jay Guevara gave you very good advice. Also, whenever a negative thought come into your mind, replace it with a positive thought even if it seems forced,
That's good news. I think Jay Guevara gave you very good advice. Also, whenever a negative thought come into your mind, replace it with a positive thought even if it seems forced,
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2017 01:42 PM (qES5k)
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Glad I haven't completely missed the home renovation thread. We're getting this house ready to sell. It was built in the 70s but they had a house fire in 2006. Husband insists that it will not go on the market as a fixer upper. The biggest problem is that the yard is hopeless. Front yard is shaded and clay soil. Backyard is overgrown with blackberries even though it was cleared out a month ago. We have had a little help but really need to sell a few things and see if we can get it finished. We've found a place we want to buy.
And when we finish this, we get to put money into the place on the river and sell that too. It's a mobile we have to remodel because they won't let you build there. At least I get to retire at some point.
And when we finish this, we get to put money into the place on the river and sell that too. It's a mobile we have to remodel because they won't let you build there. At least I get to retire at some point.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 24, 2017 01:42 PM (Lqy/e)
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Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2017 01:34 PM (iynDC)
Thanks for the reminder that there are things that can be done. And that for some reason Congress, or better the Republicans, whether in power or not, fall back on "helplessness". It's not that they can't. They won't.
I wonder if the House realizes that it has the power of the purse.
Thanks for the reminder that there are things that can be done. And that for some reason Congress, or better the Republicans, whether in power or not, fall back on "helplessness". It's not that they can't. They won't.
I wonder if the House realizes that it has the power of the purse.
Posted by: gracepc at June 24, 2017 01:43 PM (OU4q6)
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This is really cool. Somebody at NSF.com managed to sync two launch videos together, the Iridium-1 launch in January and yesterday's BulgariaSat-1.
https://tinyurl.com/ycsnnsdw
What makes it remarkable is that the same rocket was used in both launches--and landings.
If you missed the one yesterday, don't worry. They're launching another one tomorrow. Friday's launch was from Cape Canaveral and Sunday's is from Vandenberg. They haven't managed to turn around the same launch pad in 48 hours...yet.
https://tinyurl.com/ycsnnsdw
What makes it remarkable is that the same rocket was used in both launches--and landings.
If you missed the one yesterday, don't worry. They're launching another one tomorrow. Friday's launch was from Cape Canaveral and Sunday's is from Vandenberg. They haven't managed to turn around the same launch pad in 48 hours...yet.
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 01:43 PM (sdi6R)
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Pro tip: arguing with women in one's personal life is a no-win proposition. You've pre-lost; subsequent festivities just determine how badly you've lost.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 01:35 PM (SRKgf)
All depends on how much power you have already ceded to your Mate....
Elvis had a great song, called 'Treat me Right'... I always sing it to prospective Lady Friends....
Pro tip: arguing with women in one's personal life is a no-win proposition. You've pre-lost; subsequent festivities just determine how badly you've lost.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 01:35 PM (SRKgf)
All depends on how much power you have already ceded to your Mate....
Elvis had a great song, called 'Treat me Right'... I always sing it to prospective Lady Friends....
Posted by: Don Q., at June 24, 2017 01:46 PM (NgKpN)
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Also, whenever a negative thought come into your mind, replace it with a positive thought even if it seems forced,
This may sound cheap and fake, but the truth is, what we practice helps shape our attitude and behavior. You can, when you aren't feelings something, fake it and begin to feel it in time.
This may sound cheap and fake, but the truth is, what we practice helps shape our attitude and behavior. You can, when you aren't feelings something, fake it and begin to feel it in time.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:46 PM (39g3+)
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All depends on how much power you have already ceded to your Mate....
I was kind of kidding, but seriously, I think if "power" is a factor in dealing with your mate, you've got problems.
I was kind of kidding, but seriously, I think if "power" is a factor in dealing with your mate, you've got problems.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 01:50 PM (SRKgf)
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I can't remember the name of the song but around the same time period there was one that sounds horribly sexist to modern ears but it had a point.
Part of it is telling women: he's working around pretty girls all day, don't meet him at the door in curlers and a housecoat.
Its good advice for men, too, always be trying to win her over, always be wooing and never taking for granted.
Part of it is telling women: he's working around pretty girls all day, don't meet him at the door in curlers and a housecoat.
Its good advice for men, too, always be trying to win her over, always be wooing and never taking for granted.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:51 PM (39g3+)
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Part of it is telling women: he's working around pretty girls all day, don't meet him at the door in curlers and a housecoat.
Its good advice for men, too, always be trying to win her over, always be wooing and never taking for granted.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:51 PM (39g3+)
Uh, right.
*hides curlers and housecoat*
Its good advice for men, too, always be trying to win her over, always be wooing and never taking for granted.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:51 PM (39g3+)
Uh, right.
*hides curlers and housecoat*
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:52 PM (0mRoj)
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Yep Don the substitution of Continuing Resolutions (omnibus appropriations) - with essentially one up/down vote conducted under the pressure of "government shutdown" theater - for individual appropriations bills has been the ultimate, and spectacular dereliction of congressional duty.
Again, geeks in these matters will appreciate the audacious dimensions of this better, but by acceding to this approach (esp. starting in 2011, after being handed the House by an electorate that was not looking for their reps to hide and do nothing), the GOP almost formally announced they hoped to prosper entirely by luck and inertia and the idiocy of their opposition, and refused to actually lead or do anything useful.
Which they have. While the country and its future continue to be damaged.
Dunno if Bannon and Trump et al even know what to do about this, or what role the WH might take. So far they've been very passive, which I think is squandering Trump's peculiar but very real mandate.
Lead - not sit like a potted plant and take anything you get - on undoing the damage of O-care.
Make it clear ONLY individual appropriations bills passed in regular order will be signed.
Engage in politics. Not just tweets mocking the press or Chuck Schumer (wonderful and useful as those are). State your priorities and put members of Congress on the hot seat if they oppose you (BOTH parties).
Politics in a representative republic "works" when it involves choices, and consequences. That's the whole point. The GOP has hidden for years. Trump should go into their dusty spider-holes with a firehose and flash-bangs, and force them out.
Again, geeks in these matters will appreciate the audacious dimensions of this better, but by acceding to this approach (esp. starting in 2011, after being handed the House by an electorate that was not looking for their reps to hide and do nothing), the GOP almost formally announced they hoped to prosper entirely by luck and inertia and the idiocy of their opposition, and refused to actually lead or do anything useful.
Which they have. While the country and its future continue to be damaged.
Dunno if Bannon and Trump et al even know what to do about this, or what role the WH might take. So far they've been very passive, which I think is squandering Trump's peculiar but very real mandate.
Lead - not sit like a potted plant and take anything you get - on undoing the damage of O-care.
Make it clear ONLY individual appropriations bills passed in regular order will be signed.
Engage in politics. Not just tweets mocking the press or Chuck Schumer (wonderful and useful as those are). State your priorities and put members of Congress on the hot seat if they oppose you (BOTH parties).
Politics in a representative republic "works" when it involves choices, and consequences. That's the whole point. The GOP has hidden for years. Trump should go into their dusty spider-holes with a firehose and flash-bangs, and force them out.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2017 01:52 PM (iynDC)
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And Insomniac-If you want someone to do a practice interview with you, you know where to reach me. :^) or there are probably other people who could help worth that too. If've done it with several people and it seemed to help some of them. You're naturally self deprecating. You need to dispose of that before an interview. You don't want to sound like God's gift to the company but if you sent out a resume you know that you can do the work.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2017 01:54 PM (qES5k)
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Will pray for you, Michael the Texan.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2017 01:55 PM (qES5k)
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Captain of the Towson University debate team?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8&t=151s
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
That is kind of a caricature of my point. But they were serious, so maybe it's not a caricature. But thank you, sir. I was feeling a bit depressed, and that is f*cking hilarious. Liberal stupidity is the best medicine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8&t=151s
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
That is kind of a caricature of my point. But they were serious, so maybe it's not a caricature. But thank you, sir. I was feeling a bit depressed, and that is f*cking hilarious. Liberal stupidity is the best medicine.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 24, 2017 01:56 PM (xAvrH)
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I don't really know what can be done about congress' refusal to obey the constitution. They clearly are told to put out a budget every year and re-fund military every 2 years, but they found a way to not do it, and have gotten away with it for decades. Who's going to stop them? Not voters, apparently. Nobody is taking them to court over it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:57 PM (39g3+)
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Part of it is telling women: he's working around pretty girls all day, don't meet him at the door in curlers and a housecoat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DleBZICAo6s
Part of it is telling women: he's working around pretty girls all day, don't meet him at the door in curlers and a housecoat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DleBZICAo6s
Posted by: shibumi at June 24, 2017 01:58 PM (aT+Bx)
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Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 01:25 PM (PduNE)
How do you find out their turnover ratio?
How do you find out their turnover ratio?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2017 01:59 PM (qES5k)
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271 It's like that cretin Maxine Waters (or any other number of liberal cretins) spouting off angry indignant nonsense and thinking that their vocal inflections constitute acceptable proofs of the bullshit they spout.
Captain of the Towson University debate team?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8&t=151s
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 01:39 PM (SRKgf)
They're a goddamn disgrace to the discipline. Crying racism and saying "n*gga" 48 times a minute should get them laughed out of the room, not a trophy.
Captain of the Towson University debate team?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8&t=151s
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 24, 2017 01:39 PM (SRKgf)
They're a goddamn disgrace to the discipline. Crying racism and saying "n*gga" 48 times a minute should get them laughed out of the room, not a trophy.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 01:59 PM (0mRoj)
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Captain of the Towson University debate team?
This is why, although I'm not fond of them, that you tube channel of two black women Diamond and pearl or whatever, are valuable. They reach a segment of the voting public who has never learned -- or rejects as too "white" -- to think logically and speak clearly.
This is why, although I'm not fond of them, that you tube channel of two black women Diamond and pearl or whatever, are valuable. They reach a segment of the voting public who has never learned -- or rejects as too "white" -- to think logically and speak clearly.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 02:00 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:00 PM (0mRoj)
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For a historical novel approach to the fall of the Roman Republic I suggest (hesitantly and with reservations) Colleen McCullough's "Masters of Rome" series, beginning with "First Man in Rome"
Caution - while more than merely accurate history these can become tedious and tendentious exercises in reading frustration. Her research was exhaustive and awe-inspiring, but she was so proud of it she could not help but put it on display: repeatedly and annoyingly. After she has described the entry to the Forum for the eighth time you will scream in frustration - but you will keep reading. After she has interrupted a dramatic action scene with a piece by piece description of the tile work and statuary you will groan aloud: 'OK, I want to know this but NOT RIGHT NOW!
Her history, as I said above, is very impressive. I may take issue with some of her inferences and analysis, but every time I felt compelled to check facts she was right.
Caution - while more than merely accurate history these can become tedious and tendentious exercises in reading frustration. Her research was exhaustive and awe-inspiring, but she was so proud of it she could not help but put it on display: repeatedly and annoyingly. After she has described the entry to the Forum for the eighth time you will scream in frustration - but you will keep reading. After she has interrupted a dramatic action scene with a piece by piece description of the tile work and statuary you will groan aloud: 'OK, I want to know this but NOT RIGHT NOW!
Her history, as I said above, is very impressive. I may take issue with some of her inferences and analysis, but every time I felt compelled to check facts she was right.
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 02:01 PM (R11IW)
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Yep Don the substitution of Continuing Resolutions (omnibus
appropriations) - with essentially one up/down vote conducted under the
pressure of "government shutdown" theater - for individual
appropriations bills has been the ultimate, and spectacular dereliction
of congressional duty.
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And that is why so many of us blame Paul Ryan absolutely for the financial mess. He has been on Budget Committee for many years, is deferred to as the 'expert' on the budget, and look at the disgusting wreck he has supported and/or initiated. No doubt we are all too stupid to understand how 'complicated' it is; just like we are all too stupid to understand how reconciliation works; and he is the master at complicated and we are all just too stupid to understand his genius. Swamp Thing.
Yep Don the substitution of Continuing Resolutions (omnibus
appropriations) - with essentially one up/down vote conducted under the
pressure of "government shutdown" theater - for individual
appropriations bills has been the ultimate, and spectacular dereliction
of congressional duty.
=====
And that is why so many of us blame Paul Ryan absolutely for the financial mess. He has been on Budget Committee for many years, is deferred to as the 'expert' on the budget, and look at the disgusting wreck he has supported and/or initiated. No doubt we are all too stupid to understand how 'complicated' it is; just like we are all too stupid to understand how reconciliation works; and he is the master at complicated and we are all just too stupid to understand his genius. Swamp Thing.
Posted by: mustbequantum at June 24, 2017 02:02 PM (MIKMs)
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"Wives and Lovers," that's the song.
Although it was Jock Jones I think it was I know it by, not Dionne Warwick. I know it sounds awful and offensive to modern listeners but actually it has a lot of really good advice. The only flaw is that it puts it all on the women.
Although it was Jock Jones I think it was I know it by, not Dionne Warwick. I know it sounds awful and offensive to modern listeners but actually it has a lot of really good advice. The only flaw is that it puts it all on the women.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 02:02 PM (39g3+)
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290 I don't really know what can be done about congress' refusal to obey the constitution. They clearly are told to put out a budget every year and re-fund military every 2 years, but they found a way to not do it, and have gotten away with it for decades. Who's going to stop them? Not voters, apparently. Nobody is taking them to court over it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:57 PM (39g3+)
That is what's really scary. Congress has voluntarily neutered itself and ceded power to the Executive. And no 1933-style Enabling Act was necessary.
A comparison to the Roman Senate in Julius Caesar's time seems apt. They apparently enjoy the perks of office without doing any actual work.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 01:57 PM (39g3+)
That is what's really scary. Congress has voluntarily neutered itself and ceded power to the Executive. And no 1933-style Enabling Act was necessary.
A comparison to the Roman Senate in Julius Caesar's time seems apt. They apparently enjoy the perks of office without doing any actual work.
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 02:03 PM (sdi6R)
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Is it wrong to laugh at narcissistic assholes who think that the whole world hangs on their every word?
Posted by: Barack Obama at June 24, 2017 02:06 PM (xAvrH)
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Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2017 01:52 PM (iynDC)
I suspect Trump is poorly advised. He would do well to beef up his staff. Priebus has proven to be -- no surprise -- useless. Or worse.
I am not sure what it is that is holding Trump back. But he is either going to have to lead or be hamstrung.
I would take some bold moves soon. I doubt that many would agree with that. But soon, any decisive move that Trump makes will be heralded as that of a "dictator". A meme the media and the Dems have not quite polished as they have Russia/Trump one. But it's coming. And it will reinforce all the thinking of the "patriotic" crazies who will feel justified in their actions.
I suspect Trump is poorly advised. He would do well to beef up his staff. Priebus has proven to be -- no surprise -- useless. Or worse.
I am not sure what it is that is holding Trump back. But he is either going to have to lead or be hamstrung.
I would take some bold moves soon. I doubt that many would agree with that. But soon, any decisive move that Trump makes will be heralded as that of a "dictator". A meme the media and the Dems have not quite polished as they have Russia/Trump one. But it's coming. And it will reinforce all the thinking of the "patriotic" crazies who will feel justified in their actions.
Posted by: gracepc at June 24, 2017 02:06 PM (OU4q6)
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Although it was Jock Jones I think it was I know it by, not Dionne Warwick. I know it sounds awful and offensive to modern listeners but actually it has a lot of really good advice. The only flaw is that it puts it all on the women.
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I almost linked the Jack Jones version.
Yes, the lyrics sound horribly sexist, but, as a female, I agree with the premise.
What we need is a song to counterpoint that-- a song that tells men a successful way to keep a woman.
Although it was Jock Jones I think it was I know it by, not Dionne Warwick. I know it sounds awful and offensive to modern listeners but actually it has a lot of really good advice. The only flaw is that it puts it all on the women.
--
I almost linked the Jack Jones version.
Yes, the lyrics sound horribly sexist, but, as a female, I agree with the premise.
What we need is a song to counterpoint that-- a song that tells men a successful way to keep a woman.
Posted by: shibumi at June 24, 2017 02:08 PM (aT+Bx)
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"Anything good going on this weekend?" Why yes, I am on a 63' pleasure craft heading to Princess Louisa Inlet in the Gulf Islands of British Columbia for two weeks. So no internet, no cel. No politics. Perfect!
Posted by: Lynne at June 24, 2017 02:08 PM (b3WW2)
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Yes, the lyrics sound horribly sexist, but, as a female, I agree with the premise.
All the good ones are taken
All the good ones are taken
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 02:08 PM (39g3+)
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Gowdy is impressive. Keen legal mind, riveting, well spoken, gets to the heart of the matter, But in the end, never manages to drive the stake through. I expect nothing but words.
Posted by: gracepc at June 24, 2017 12:41 PM (OU4q6)
Issa Jr.
Posted by: gracepc at June 24, 2017 12:41 PM (OU4q6)
Issa Jr.
Posted by: gNewt at June 24, 2017 02:09 PM (kqf/5)
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I think treating your mate as if you are falling in love with them everyday.is a win
Posted by: Willow at June 24, 2017 02:09 PM (ljRd9)
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How do you find out their turnover ratio?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2017 01:59 PM (qES5k)
You can directly ask them. Or get the numbers by asking how many employees work here, question one. Then ask how many employees left or were fired in the previous year.
100 employees total. 50 left or were fired in past year = 50% turnover. Time to look some more. Or be prepared.
You take the job, first confrontation you're armed with 'Now I understand why this company has such a high turnover ratio'. It might slap the right person in the face. Or maybe not.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2017 01:59 PM (qES5k)
You can directly ask them. Or get the numbers by asking how many employees work here, question one. Then ask how many employees left or were fired in the previous year.
100 employees total. 50 left or were fired in past year = 50% turnover. Time to look some more. Or be prepared.
You take the job, first confrontation you're armed with 'Now I understand why this company has such a high turnover ratio'. It might slap the right person in the face. Or maybe not.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 02:10 PM (PduNE)
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303 "Anything good going on this weekend?" Why yes, I am on a 63' pleasure craft heading to Princess Louisa Inlet in the Gulf Islands of British Columbia for two weeks. So no internet, no cel. No politics. Perfect!
Posted by: Lynne at June 24, 2017 02:08 PM (b3WW2)
How did you post that comment? By telepathy?
Seriously, good for you. Enjoy!
Posted by: Lynne at June 24, 2017 02:08 PM (b3WW2)
How did you post that comment? By telepathy?
Seriously, good for you. Enjoy!
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 02:10 PM (sdi6R)
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I think treating your mate as if you are falling in love with them everyday.is a win
Posted by: Willow at June 24, 2017 02:09 PM (ljRd9)
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+100.
Posted by: Willow at June 24, 2017 02:09 PM (ljRd9)
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+100.
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:11 PM (qfUO4)
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A song for men to 'handle a woman? Try "Camelot" - 'How to Handle a Woman' is to love her, simply love her, merely love her, love her, love her - worked for me for over 40 yrs now.
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 02:12 PM (R11IW)
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I think treating your mate as if you are falling in love with them everyday.is a win
The only drawback to that scheme is when they didn't learn the same advice and take you for granted in return.
The only drawback to that scheme is when they didn't learn the same advice and take you for granted in return.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 02:13 PM (39g3+)
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Insomniac, am I understanding correctly that you have an interview coming up? That's wonderful! Go get 'em, sweetheart!
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:13 PM (qfUO4)
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The best relationship advice I ever read was that women will find it natural and comfortable to love their man, and they must work on respecting him. Men, the opposite.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 02:16 PM (39g3+)
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312 Insomniac, am I understanding correctly that you have an interview coming up? That's wonderful! Go get 'em, sweetheart!
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:13 PM (qfUO4)
Not scheduled yet but should be in the next couple of weeks.
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:13 PM (qfUO4)
Not scheduled yet but should be in the next couple of weeks.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:16 PM (0mRoj)
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"A song for men to 'handle a woman? Try "Camelot" - 'How to Handle a Woman' is". . .
Kiss Me Kate
Kiss Me Kate
Posted by: gNewt at June 24, 2017 02:16 PM (kqf/5)
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 02:19 PM (sdi6R)
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Nope. Camelot. See Richard Harris and/or Robert Goulet.
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 02:20 PM (R11IW)
318
In 2005, a group of MIT students, prodded by "a desire to play with some expensive equipment," tested the effectiveness of [tin]foil helmets at blocking various radio frequencies. Using two layers of Reynolds aluminum foil, they constructed three helmet designs, dubbed the Classical, the Fez, and the Centurion, and then looked at the strength of the transmissions between a radio-frequency signal generator and a receiver antenna placed on various parts of their subjects' bare and helmet-covered heads.
The helmets shielded their wearers from radio waves over most of the tested spectrum (YouTube user Mrfixitrick likewise demonstrates the blocking power of his foil toque against his wireless modem) but, surprisingly, amplified certain frequencies: those in the 2.6 Ghz ( allocated for mobile communications and broadcast satellites) and 1.2 Ghz (allocated for aeronautical radionavigation and space-to-Earth and space-to-space satellites) bands.
The helmets shielded their wearers from radio waves over most of the tested spectrum (YouTube user Mrfixitrick likewise demonstrates the blocking power of his foil toque against his wireless modem) but, surprisingly, amplified certain frequencies: those in the 2.6 Ghz ( allocated for mobile communications and broadcast satellites) and 1.2 Ghz (allocated for aeronautical radionavigation and space-to-Earth and space-to-space satellites) bands.
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at June 24, 2017 02:21 PM (e8kgV)
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At least its not the long-wished for fashion thread ettes clamor for. My idea of fashion is "its comfortable and works in the weather"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 02:21 PM (39g3+)
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The best relationship advice I ever read was that women will find it natural and comfortable to love their man, and they must work on respecting him. Men, the opposite.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017
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Hmmm, I don't know about that. I mean I can't speak for all women, but I could never have dated, let alone married, a man I didn't respect.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017
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Hmmm, I don't know about that. I mean I can't speak for all women, but I could never have dated, let alone married, a man I didn't respect.
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:21 PM (qfUO4)
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Sure christopher love and marriahe is fraught with risk. Ive been critical of my lover and hurt him as he did me. Ive since learned loving him as i did when we met fresh faced love innocence s much more conducive to getting that deal we once had back. We can look at every time weve been disappointed or try to save that promise. Yes one might fly solo fir a while. But i personally found it rubs off if both have compassion and love legt
Posted by: Willow at June 24, 2017 02:22 PM (ljRd9)
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320 The best relationship advice I ever read was that women will find it natural and comfortable to love their man, and they must work on respecting him. Men, the opposite.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017
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Hmmm, I don't know about that. I mean I can't speak for all women, but I could never have dated, let alone married, a man I didn't respect.
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:21 PM (qfUO4)
The raging disrespect and contempt comes later.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017
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Hmmm, I don't know about that. I mean I can't speak for all women, but I could never have dated, let alone married, a man I didn't respect.
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:21 PM (qfUO4)
The raging disrespect and contempt comes later.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:23 PM (0mRoj)
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Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at June 24, 2017 02:21 PM (e8kgV)
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So you're saying our tin-foil hats are going to prevent us from receiving radio signals from aliens? Or the CIA? Good to know.
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So you're saying our tin-foil hats are going to prevent us from receiving radio signals from aliens? Or the CIA? Good to know.
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:24 PM (qfUO4)
324
"23 Of course the ones using the Ides of March in June are also omitting something about Julius. He was part of a triumvirate and the other two tried to freeze him out of power. Hence crossing the Rubicon and oh yeah can't forget in Rome of that time one could become dictator by proclamation of the Senate for one year.
But I'm expecting too much from the 'thinkers' of this bukake theatre."
Actually Crassus was dead by the team Caesar crossed the Rubicon. It was just Caesar and Pompeii remaining at that time.
But I'm expecting too much from the 'thinkers' of this bukake theatre."
Actually Crassus was dead by the team Caesar crossed the Rubicon. It was just Caesar and Pompeii remaining at that time.
Posted by: Devil-Slayer at June 24, 2017 02:24 PM (JFeqO)
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:24 PM (qfUO4)
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Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at June 24, 2017 02:21 PM (e8kgV)
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One of my teachers at "A" school was a former physicist from an inscrutable people's republic who routinely wore tinfoil-lined hats and helmets so that "they" couldn't bombard him with deadly brain-scrambling rays.
We laughed at the time, but maybe He Knew Things.
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One of my teachers at "A" school was a former physicist from an inscrutable people's republic who routinely wore tinfoil-lined hats and helmets so that "they" couldn't bombard him with deadly brain-scrambling rays.
We laughed at the time, but maybe He Knew Things.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 02:25 PM (QGoUX)
327
Insomniac, you gotta find a new schtick.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 02:25 PM (QGoUX)
328
318
The helmets shielded their wearers from radio waves over most of the tested spectrum (YouTube user Mrfixitrick likewise demonstrates the blocking power of his foil toque against his wireless modem) but, surprisingly, amplified certain frequencies: those in the 2.6 Ghz ( allocated for mobile communications and broadcast satellites) and 1.2 Ghz (allocated for aeronautical radionavigation and space-to-Earth and space-to-space satellites) bands.
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at June 24, 2017 02:21 PM (e8kgV)
*furiously scribbles notes*
The helmets shielded their wearers from radio waves over most of the tested spectrum (YouTube user Mrfixitrick likewise demonstrates the blocking power of his foil toque against his wireless modem) but, surprisingly, amplified certain frequencies: those in the 2.6 Ghz ( allocated for mobile communications and broadcast satellites) and 1.2 Ghz (allocated for aeronautical radionavigation and space-to-Earth and space-to-space satellites) bands.
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at June 24, 2017 02:21 PM (e8kgV)
*furiously scribbles notes*
Posted by: Bob from the NSA at June 24, 2017 02:26 PM (sdi6R)
329
Actually Crassus was dead by the team Caesar crossed the Rubicon. It was just Caesar and Pompeii remaining at that time.
And if it hadn't been Caesar, it would have been Pompey. Who was not nearly as capable or good with the people.
And if it hadn't been Caesar, it would have been Pompey. Who was not nearly as capable or good with the people.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 02:26 PM (39g3+)
330
Women's fashion - olive oil or coca butter?
Posted by: gNewt at June 24, 2017 02:27 PM (kqf/5)
331
327 Insomniac, you gotta find a new schtick.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 02:25 PM (QGoUX)
Sure. Just as soon as reality shifts.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 02:25 PM (QGoUX)
Sure. Just as soon as reality shifts.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:27 PM (0mRoj)
332
Anyway.im not a marriage expert
Posted by: Willow at June 24, 2017 02:28 PM (ljRd9)
333
330 Women's fashion - olive oil or coca butter?
Posted by: gNewt at June 24, 2017 02:27 PM (kqf/5)
Coca butter is quite stimulating I imagine.
Posted by: gNewt at June 24, 2017 02:27 PM (kqf/5)
Coca butter is quite stimulating I imagine.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:28 PM (0mRoj)
334
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 02:10 PM
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Any suggestions RE: questions one should ask in an interview for an hourly/commision sales job? Asking for a friend...
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Any suggestions RE: questions one should ask in an interview for an hourly/commision sales job? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: shibumi at June 24, 2017 02:28 PM (aT+Bx)
335
332 Anyway.im not a marriage expert
Posted by: Willow at June 24, 2017 02:28 PM (ljRd9)
Eh, even the so-called "experts" are frequently full of shit.
Posted by: Willow at June 24, 2017 02:28 PM (ljRd9)
Eh, even the so-called "experts" are frequently full of shit.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:29 PM (0mRoj)
336
Cocoa butter smells nicer, I think
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 02:29 PM (39g3+)
337
Women's fashion - olive oil or coca butter?
Posted by: gNewt at June 24, 2017 02:27 PM (kqf/5)
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How do you feel about mud masks? Mine even has seaweed in it.
Posted by: gNewt at June 24, 2017 02:27 PM (kqf/5)
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How do you feel about mud masks? Mine even has seaweed in it.
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:30 PM (qfUO4)
338
Sure. Just as soon as reality shifts.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:27 PM (0mRoj)
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Ha!
Your reality is about to shift, it sounds like.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:27 PM (0mRoj)
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Ha!
Your reality is about to shift, it sounds like.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 02:30 PM (QGoUX)
339
And if it hadn't been Caesar, it would have been Pompey. Who was not nearly as capable or good with the people.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 02:26 PM (39g3+)
And, besides, you never knew just when Pompey would blow his top.....
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 02:26 PM (39g3+)
And, besides, you never knew just when Pompey would blow his top.....
Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2017 02:30 PM (7uYFy)
340
Stimulating.
Posted by: Coca Esquiveto at June 24, 2017 02:31 PM (kqf/5)
341
Insomniac one day you will find your beshert. And your thoughts might soften
Posted by: Willow at June 24, 2017 02:31 PM (ljRd9)
342
333
Coca butter is quite stimulating I imagine.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:28 PM (0mRoj)
I would think it would clog your nostrils.
Coca butter is quite stimulating I imagine.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:28 PM (0mRoj)
I would think it would clog your nostrils.
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 02:31 PM (sdi6R)
343
Your reality is about to shift, it sounds like.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 02:30 PM (QGoUX)
Maybe. An interview's just an interview and I've had plenty of those go absolutely nowhere.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 02:30 PM (QGoUX)
Maybe. An interview's just an interview and I've had plenty of those go absolutely nowhere.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:32 PM (0mRoj)
344
I have to go slop bleach all over the floors cleaning sucks. Peace
Posted by: Willow at June 24, 2017 02:32 PM (ljRd9)
345
341 Insomniac one day you will find your beshert. And your thoughts might soften
Posted by: Willow at June 24, 2017 02:31 PM (ljRd9)
Beshert?
Posted by: Willow at June 24, 2017 02:31 PM (ljRd9)
Beshert?
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:33 PM (0mRoj)
346
Maybe. An interview's just an interview and I've had plenty of those go absolutely nowhere.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:32 PM (0mRoj)
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Maybe. But you've also had some paying work recently, Eeyore, I must remind you.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:32 PM (0mRoj)
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Maybe. But you've also had some paying work recently, Eeyore, I must remind you.
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:33 PM (qfUO4)
347
Maybe. But you've also had some paying work recently, Eeyore, I must remind you.
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:33 PM (qfUO4)
Thanks for noticin' me
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:33 PM (qfUO4)
Thanks for noticin' me
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:34 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:34 PM (qfUO4)
349
Beshert soul mate. Now enjoy the day. You are among friends
Posted by: Willow at June 24, 2017 02:35 PM (ljRd9)
350
Devil at #324:
The First Triumverate (Caesar, Crassus, and Pompey) was long gone when Caesar marched his legions on Rome. Pompey was now firmly in the Cato/Cicero camp and led the senatorial exodus in flight.
The Triumverate was 'active' from about 59 BC to 53 BC. Caesar 'Crossed the Rubicon' in 49BC and was murdered 5 years later.
The First Triumverate (Caesar, Crassus, and Pompey) was long gone when Caesar marched his legions on Rome. Pompey was now firmly in the Cato/Cicero camp and led the senatorial exodus in flight.
The Triumverate was 'active' from about 59 BC to 53 BC. Caesar 'Crossed the Rubicon' in 49BC and was murdered 5 years later.
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 02:36 PM (R11IW)
351
Or ill come back and slap you with a wet towel.
Or is that abuse...lol
Or is that abuse...lol
Posted by: Willow at June 24, 2017 02:36 PM (ljRd9)
352
Just had a horrible nightmare that there was a grotesque snake monster and two hideous spherical things that attached themselves to my crotch.
*feels around*
*sigh of relief*
Thank goodness it was only a nightmare!
*feels around*
*sigh of relief*
Thank goodness it was only a nightmare!
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at June 24, 2017 02:36 PM (xAvrH)
353
Waves at eris before i head out. Hugs bluebell.
Posted by: Willow at June 24, 2017 02:37 PM (ljRd9)
354
351 Or ill come back and slap you with a wet towel.
Or is that abuse...lol
Posted by: Willow at June 24, 2017 02:36 PM (ljRd9)
That all depends...
Or is that abuse...lol
Posted by: Willow at June 24, 2017 02:36 PM (ljRd9)
That all depends...
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:37 PM (0mRoj)
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Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:33 PM (qfUO4)
Thanks for noticin' me
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:34 PM (0mRoj)
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I'm telling you, people, she's keeping a spreadsheet!
We're ALL on it!
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:33 PM (qfUO4)
Thanks for noticin' me
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:34 PM (0mRoj)
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I'm telling you, people, she's keeping a spreadsheet!
We're ALL on it!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 02:37 PM (QGoUX)
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Ok, off to wash the mud and seaweed off my face. Have s good one, everyone.
And please to notice the most excellent countdown clock on the sidebar.
And please to notice the most excellent countdown clock on the sidebar.
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:38 PM (qfUO4)
357
355
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:33 PM (qfUO4)
Thanks for noticin' me
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:34 PM (0mRoj)
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I'm telling you, people, she's keeping a spreadsheet!
We're ALL on it!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 02:37 PM (QGoUX)
Hmmm...has anyone ever seen bluebell and Chris Jericho in the same room?
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:33 PM (qfUO4)
Thanks for noticin' me
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:34 PM (0mRoj)
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I'm telling you, people, she's keeping a spreadsheet!
We're ALL on it!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 02:37 PM (QGoUX)
Hmmm...has anyone ever seen bluebell and Chris Jericho in the same room?
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:38 PM (0mRoj)
358
Hugs back, willow.
Actually, Eris, Weasel is the keeper of the spreadsheet but the point is valid.
Muahahahahaha.
Actually, Eris, Weasel is the keeper of the spreadsheet but the point is valid.
Muahahahahaha.
Posted by: bluebell ~ if the recipe's a hit, you must submit! at June 24, 2017 02:39 PM (qfUO4)
359
Any suggestions RE: questions one should ask in an interview for an hourly/commision sales job? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: shibumi at June 24, 2017 02:28 PM (aT+Bx)
Average commissions for other employees doing the same/similar job. Any recent change to commission schedule? (Sometimes employees leave in huff when commission rates are cut) Is there a certain quota as far as sales generated? Territory. Travel reimbursement, if appropriate. Travel as percentage of job. The companies recent sales -- flat, lower, or rising? Is this a new position, or replacing someone who left?
That's about all I can think of in a minute.
Posted by: shibumi at June 24, 2017 02:28 PM (aT+Bx)
Average commissions for other employees doing the same/similar job. Any recent change to commission schedule? (Sometimes employees leave in huff when commission rates are cut) Is there a certain quota as far as sales generated? Territory. Travel reimbursement, if appropriate. Travel as percentage of job. The companies recent sales -- flat, lower, or rising? Is this a new position, or replacing someone who left?
That's about all I can think of in a minute.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 02:39 PM (PduNE)
360
the past two days in a row my neighbor has called me up to take her downtown to get something to eat. she just called again I told her I didn't feel like going anywhere today.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2017 02:40 PM (mpXpK)
361
Is it wrong to laugh at narcissistic assholes who think that the whole world hangs on their every word?
Posted by: Barack Obama at June 24, 2017 02:06 PM
No.
Posted by: Barack Obama at June 24, 2017 02:06 PM
No.
Posted by: Reggie at June 24, 2017 02:40 PM (DMUuz)
362
Bluebell is "Bob from NSA"!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 02:40 PM (QGoUX)
363
Is there news?
Does the King still live?
Does the Republic still survive?
Is that the sound of cannon fire in the distance, or just more rain?
Does the King still live?
Does the Republic still survive?
Is that the sound of cannon fire in the distance, or just more rain?
Posted by: Aldric Small at June 24, 2017 02:41 PM (m9X4Y)
364
The helmets shielded their wearers from radio waves over most of the tested spectrum (YouTube user Mrfixitrick likewise demonstrates the blocking power of his foil toque against his wireless modem) but, surprisingly, amplified certain frequencies: those in the 2.6 Ghz ( allocated for mobile communications and broadcast satellites) and 1.2 Ghz (allocated for aeronautical radionavigation and space-to-Earth and space-to-space satellites) bands.
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at June 24, 2017 02:21 PM (e8kgV)
*furiously scribbles notes*
Posted by: Bob from the NSA at June 24, 2017 02:26 PM (sdi6R)
Only because, as all us REAL tinfoil hat people know... you need a grounding wire coming off you Tinfoil hat, which plugs into the ground plug in a three prong electrical outlet.
Yes.... we were really bored one Westpac, and designed and built a ships ballcap that blocked all Radio waves.... it was a joke gift to the guy who was sleeping in the radar room alongside a 1/4 million Watt Radar...
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at June 24, 2017 02:21 PM (e8kgV)
*furiously scribbles notes*
Posted by: Bob from the NSA at June 24, 2017 02:26 PM (sdi6R)
Only because, as all us REAL tinfoil hat people know... you need a grounding wire coming off you Tinfoil hat, which plugs into the ground plug in a three prong electrical outlet.
Yes.... we were really bored one Westpac, and designed and built a ships ballcap that blocked all Radio waves.... it was a joke gift to the guy who was sleeping in the radar room alongside a 1/4 million Watt Radar...
Posted by: Don Q., at June 24, 2017 02:45 PM (NgKpN)
365
362 Bluebell is "Bob from NSA"!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 02:40 PM (QGoUX)
Nah.... we saw some of the tools stolen from the NSA and leaked to the net...
So we KNOW they have the ability to spoof IP addresses on packets...
it was just Bob trying to get Bluebell in trouble!!!!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 24, 2017 02:40 PM (QGoUX)
Nah.... we saw some of the tools stolen from the NSA and leaked to the net...
So we KNOW they have the ability to spoof IP addresses on packets...
it was just Bob trying to get Bluebell in trouble!!!!
Posted by: Don Q., at June 24, 2017 02:46 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Gwentyh P., lifestyle guru at June 24, 2017 02:47 PM (DMUuz)
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360 the past two days in a row my neighbor has called me up to take her downtown to get something to eat. she just called again I told her I didn't feel like going anywhere today.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2017 02:40 PM (mpXpK)
/Salute!
Mansplain it to her??? /smile
or does she want more than just a meal?
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2017 02:40 PM (mpXpK)
/Salute!
Mansplain it to her??? /smile
or does she want more than just a meal?
Posted by: Don Q., at June 24, 2017 02:49 PM (NgKpN)
368
367 360 the past two days in a row my neighbor has called me up to take her downtown to get something to eat. she just called again I told her I didn't feel like going anywhere today.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2017 02:40 PM (mpXpK)
/Salute!
Mansplain it to her??? /smile
or does she want more than just a meal?
Posted by: Don Q., at June 24, 2017 02:49 PM (NgKpN)
Liquor.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2017 02:40 PM (mpXpK)
/Salute!
Mansplain it to her??? /smile
or does she want more than just a meal?
Posted by: Don Q., at June 24, 2017 02:49 PM (NgKpN)
Liquor.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:50 PM (0mRoj)
369
the past two days in a row my neighbor has called me up to take her downtown to get something to eat.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2017 02:40 PM (mpXpK)
She 'wants it' man. I'm telling you.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2017 02:40 PM (mpXpK)
She 'wants it' man. I'm telling you.
Posted by: The Guy Who Always Thinks That Women 'Want It' at June 24, 2017 02:51 PM (PduNE)
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Average commissions for other employees doing the same/similar job. Any recent change to commission schedule? (Sometimes employees leave in huff when commission rates are cut) Is there a certain quota as far as sales generated? Territory. Travel reimbursement, if appropriate. Travel as percentage of job. The companies recent sales -- flat, lower, or rising? Is this a new position, or replacing someone who left?
That's about all I can think of in a minute.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 02:39 PM
These are excellent. THANK YOU!!!
That's about all I can think of in a minute.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 02:39 PM
These are excellent. THANK YOU!!!
Posted by: shibumi at June 24, 2017 02:51 PM (aT+Bx)
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367 or does she want more than just a meal?
Posted by: Don Q., at June 24, 2017 02:49 PM (NgKpN)
She has already carried off my bottle of bourbon.
Posted by: Don Q., at June 24, 2017 02:49 PM (NgKpN)
She has already carried off my bottle of bourbon.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2017 02:53 PM (mpXpK)
372
pet thread
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2017 02:54 PM (mpXpK)
373
Beshert?
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:33 PM (0mRoj)
It's like "
covfefe" but with less grapfixle
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:33 PM (0mRoj)
It's like "
covfefe" but with less grapfixle
Posted by: Kindltot at June 24, 2017 02:54 PM (mkDpn)
374
Vic
I think you need some tough love with this woman,. if you haven't tried already. Tell her that she has a drinking problem and needs help and as of the end of this week she gets no more liquor from you.
I think you need some tough love with this woman,. if you haven't tried already. Tell her that she has a drinking problem and needs help and as of the end of this week she gets no more liquor from you.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2017 02:55 PM (qES5k)
375
Pet thread is up.
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2017 02:56 PM (sdi6R)
376
And if it hadn't been Caesar, it would have been Pompey. Who was not nearly as capable or good with the people.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 02:26 PM
I dunno about that not nearly as good with the people. Have you forgotten about his slogan "The Pompeyitus of Love"?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 24, 2017 02:26 PM
I dunno about that not nearly as good with the people. Have you forgotten about his slogan "The Pompeyitus of Love"?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 24, 2017 02:57 PM (DMUuz)
377
These are excellent. THANK YOU!!!
Posted by: shibumi at June 24, 2017 02:51 PM (aT+Bx)
Glad I could help.
Posted by: shibumi at June 24, 2017 02:51 PM (aT+Bx)
Glad I could help.
Posted by: The Guy Who Always Thinks That Women 'Want It' at June 24, 2017 02:58 PM (PduNE)
378
374 I think you need some tough love with this woman,.
if you haven't tried already. Tell her that she has a drinking problem
and needs help and as of the end of this week she gets no more liquor
from you.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2017 02:55 PM (qES5k)
She knows she has a drinking problem. She has been to AA before.
if you haven't tried already. Tell her that she has a drinking problem
and needs help and as of the end of this week she gets no more liquor
from you.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2017 02:55 PM (qES5k)
She knows she has a drinking problem. She has been to AA before.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2017 02:58 PM (mpXpK)
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373 Beshert?
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:33 PM (0mRoj)
It's like "
covfefe" but with less grapfixle
Posted by: Kindltot at June 24, 2017 02:54 PM (mkDpn)
Oh, like the flibnibbitz in the framistan.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 02:33 PM (0mRoj)
It's like "
covfefe" but with less grapfixle
Posted by: Kindltot at June 24, 2017 02:54 PM (mkDpn)
Oh, like the flibnibbitz in the framistan.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2017 03:01 PM (0mRoj)
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Well then just tell her you'll be giving her no more booze.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2017 03:01 PM (qES5k)
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380
Well then just tell her you'll be giving her no more booze.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2017 03:01 PM (qES5k)
I cut her off one time at the request of her eldest daughter.
Well then just tell her you'll be giving her no more booze.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2017 03:01 PM (qES5k)
I cut her off one time at the request of her eldest daughter.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2017 03:18 PM (mpXpK)
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359 Any suggestions RE: questions one should ask in an interview for an hourly/commision sales job? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: shibumi at June 24, 2017 02:28 PM (aT+Bx)
Average commissions for other employees doing the same/similar job. Any recent change to commission schedule? (Sometimes employees leave in huff when commission rates are cut) Is there a certain quota as far as sales generated? Territory. Travel reimbursement, if appropriate. Travel as percentage of job. The companies recent sales -- flat, lower, or rising? Is this a new position, or replacing someone who left?
That's about all I can think of in a minute.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 02:39 PM (PduNE)
Not just the average, but also the minimum and maximum commissions. Is there a draw, and how is it offset against commission. Any seasonal trends in sales/commissions, so you know to lay aside some of the fat months for the lean ones.
Posted by: shibumi at June 24, 2017 02:28 PM (aT+Bx)
Average commissions for other employees doing the same/similar job. Any recent change to commission schedule? (Sometimes employees leave in huff when commission rates are cut) Is there a certain quota as far as sales generated? Territory. Travel reimbursement, if appropriate. Travel as percentage of job. The companies recent sales -- flat, lower, or rising? Is this a new position, or replacing someone who left?
That's about all I can think of in a minute.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 24, 2017 02:39 PM (PduNE)
Not just the average, but also the minimum and maximum commissions. Is there a draw, and how is it offset against commission. Any seasonal trends in sales/commissions, so you know to lay aside some of the fat months for the lean ones.
Posted by: Fox2! at June 24, 2017 03:25 PM (brIR5)
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310 A song for men to 'handle a woman? Try "Camelot" - 'How to Handle a Woman' is to love her, simply love her, merely love her, love her, love her - worked for me for over 40 yrs now.
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 02:12 PM (R11IW)
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And no restraining orders? Amazing.
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 02:12 PM (R11IW)
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And no restraining orders? Amazing.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 24, 2017 03:36 PM (yEw+k)
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My response will surprise you. Married 24 years, separated 11 years, divorced 6 yrs: and yes we are still in love with each other. Talk on phone daily, meet 3-4 times per week, dinners lunches and breakfasts are routine. Every meeting and phone call ends with mutual assurances of love. During a very emotional angry 36 hours things were said that cannot be unsaid - forgiven, but not forgotten. The mutual trust that was absolute was broken. The unspoken agreement that 'no matter how angry I am, I will not attack you "there" ' was lost.
We were both at fault - and we both remember.
But the love is still there and 40 plus years later we will watch Camelot together and reach to take each other's hand.
We were both at fault - and we both remember.
But the love is still there and 40 plus years later we will watch Camelot together and reach to take each other's hand.
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 04:00 PM (R11IW)
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I don't see how Trump can be compared to Claudius.
Claudius was an insider (scion of the Augustan House) who was known as a hapless dork - a beta, to use a common metaphor. He was elevated to Caesar because there was no one else of the House who was even marginally plausible, and no one feared him. He didn't even want the job.
Trump is an outsider (politically), known for aggressiveness, major success in business, and alpha-male strutting, who gained the Presidency through a ferocious struggle.
I wouldn't call Suetonius a Claudius-hater. He recognized Claudius' faults, but he generally praised his rule. He did of course blame him for Nero, but that was a fair cop.
Claudius was an insider (scion of the Augustan House) who was known as a hapless dork - a beta, to use a common metaphor. He was elevated to Caesar because there was no one else of the House who was even marginally plausible, and no one feared him. He didn't even want the job.
Trump is an outsider (politically), known for aggressiveness, major success in business, and alpha-male strutting, who gained the Presidency through a ferocious struggle.
I wouldn't call Suetonius a Claudius-hater. He recognized Claudius' faults, but he generally praised his rule. He did of course blame him for Nero, but that was a fair cop.
Posted by: Rich Rostrom at June 24, 2017 05:13 PM (YkV15)
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Lurking Cynic at June 24, 2017 04:00 PM (R11IW)
That's sweet and honest. Thank you for sharing that.
That's sweet and honest. Thank you for sharing that.
Posted by: fly gal at June 24, 2017 05:47 PM (W78yZ)
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Rich Rostrom at June 24, 2017 05:13 PM
Nice argument. And yet the House of Clinton and the media pushed Trump to prominence during the primaries because they did not fear him and because they viewed him as ridiculous in the world of politics.
Nice argument. And yet the House of Clinton and the media pushed Trump to prominence during the primaries because they did not fear him and because they viewed him as ridiculous in the world of politics.
Posted by: KT at June 24, 2017 07:52 PM (BVQ+1)
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