Hyperpoliticized, Captured-By-Progressives Garbage Institution the FBI Claims James Hodgkinson Had No Particular Target In Mind, Didn't "Surveil" the Minor, Ugly Park When He Repeatedly Scouted It and Took Pictures of It

I don't think I'll ever trust the FBI again, and would be very skeptical of any case they made, were I sitting on a federal jury.

Another institution successfully destroyed by Obama.

You have to read the piece and compare what we know as facts with the FBI's bizarre, acid-dosed "conclusions."

Just another arm of the DNC, this one carrying weapons and subpeonas.

. @yesnicksearcy @jaketapper pic.twitter.com/2ZzJhRnUTM
— Adam Baldwin (@AdamBaldwin) June 22, 2017

Update: Maybe the FBI felt the need to protect the SPLC, whose FaceBook account James Hodgkinson "liked."

James T. Hodgkinson, the Bernie Sanders supporter who targeted Republicans at a congressional baseball game practice and gravely wounded Congressman Steve Scalise (R-La.), gave moral support to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the group whose "hate map" inspired a terrorist attack in 2012. The SPLC had repeatedly attacked Scalise, along with former presidential candidate Ben Carson and women's right activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
"Over the decades, the SPLC has refined a method of defaming its political opponents that is extremely effective when combined with the massive war chest it can rely upon," explained Lt. Gen. (Ret.) William Boykin, executive vice president at the Family Research Council (FRC) in a letter to Senators on Tuesday.
"The SPLC targets people by using the 'hate' or 'extremist' label against them seeking to destroy them," Boykin explained. "Few people or organizations have the resources to fight back, so the SPLC typically has a clear target."
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Laird Wilcox, one of the foremost experts on American political extremism, said the SPLC has "specialized a highly developed and ritualized form of defamation ... a way of harming and isolating people by denying their humanity and trying to convert them into something that deserves to be hated and eliminated."

Posted by: Ace at 12:58 PM

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1 He was merely hunting squirrels.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2017 12:48 PM (oVJmc)

2 The list was people to whom he would award these prize squirrel pelts.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2017 12:49 PM (oVJmc)

3 No particular target in mind. He wanted all of the ones on the ballfield dead. Not anyone in particular.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 22, 2017 12:49 PM (jxbfJ)

4 Uh huh,been steaming about this since yesterday.

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 12:50 PM (rmVvL)

5 Imagine his horror that the peyote he'd had for breakfast caused him to see human beings as squirrels.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2017 12:50 PM (oVJmc)

6 Jam sammich!

Posted by: Killerdog at June 22, 2017 12:50 PM (avagT)

7 PDTS needs to call the FBI onto the carpet publicly and in a very harsh manner.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 22, 2017 12:50 PM (i0ykY)

8 I said last night that Sessions and whoever the FBI director is have to come out and address this.

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 12:51 PM (rmVvL)

9
So when he asked if it were Republicans or Democrats at the field and had a hit list of names in his car he just did and had that for no reason at all.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 22, 2017 12:51 PM (493sH)

10 He was searching for the Memory Hole.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2017 12:51 PM (CMbMd)

11 These are the mental midgets that spend hours looking for the "any" key on their keyboard when they are told to press --any-- key to continue.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 22, 2017 12:51 PM (jxbfJ)

12 He had no target in mind but was upset about the DH rule.

Posted by: dantesed at June 22, 2017 12:52 PM (88xKn)

13 I'm sure that the Japanese didn't have a particular target when they bombed Pearl Harbor either.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 22, 2017 12:52 PM (KUaJL)

14 It's not like the government doesn't lie to us all the time.

"Islam is a religion of peace."

Thanks GW.

Also, terror attacks are only committed by white, right wing republicans.

Posted by: shibumi at June 22, 2017 12:52 PM (aT+Bx)

15 To borrow a moron phrase:

Burn the FBI down.

Scatter the stones.

Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: Gaylord Farkemall at June 22, 2017 12:52 PM (+dsLj)

16 No reasonable person could stomach all the BS coming out of the fbi. Guess that tells me all I need to know about the people still there.

Posted by: tbodie at June 22, 2017 12:52 PM (wjmTS)

17 Nothing to see here; move along. Nothing to see here; move along.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Carries ACME Products for Our Democrat Customers! at June 22, 2017 12:53 PM (hLRSq)

18 Maybe he hated black lesbian cops?

Posted by: tu3031 at June 22, 2017 12:53 PM (qJhUV)

19
Barney Fife used to say that one day he was going to join the FBI. They'd be better off with Barney Fife in charge. He might have been incompetent but at least he was honestly incompetent

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 22, 2017 12:53 PM (493sH)

20 He just hated those cans.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 22, 2017 12:54 PM (OD2ni)

21 The SPLC that Eric Holder partnered with to find and prosecute domestic terrorism.

Yes, the SPLC has had the power of the DoJ at their fingertips.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2017 12:54 PM (NOIQH)

22 We're at war with the Deep State.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 22, 2017 12:54 PM (+7/1f)

23
How about intent. Has the crack staff at the FBI determined any intent on the part of Meathead Hodgkinson?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 22, 2017 12:54 PM (493sH)

24 And where the hell is Fox Mulder when you need him?

Posted by: Gaylord Farkemall at June 22, 2017 12:54 PM (+dsLj)

25 For the same institution who couldn't establish "criminal intent" with Hillary, I don't really expect anything better.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 22, 2017 12:54 PM (KUaJL)

26 Hodgkinson also read that the Republicans practiced on that field with minimal security...he read it in the NY Times.

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 12:54 PM (rmVvL)

27 Comey's 'No Intent' culture continues.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2017 12:54 PM (oVJmc)

28 He really hated those paint cans!

Posted by: FBI Jerk at June 22, 2017 12:54 PM (3I7wr)

29 Morris Dees has made a fortune from the gullible rubes of the Left.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 22, 2017 12:55 PM (LTHVh)

30 I think that Hodgkinson was emailing a few Bernie staffers is problematic, too.

There can be NO TIES TO DEMOCRATS, you guys!

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2017 12:55 PM (NOIQH)

31 It's beyond disturbing just how much they've pledged their lives to their God-Emperor JEF and his Grand Vizier ValJar.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2017 12:55 PM (CMbMd)

32 Oh man ... Mort's going to have all your heads for this.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 22, 2017 12:55 PM (a94gW)

33 He ... was upset about the DH rule.

Well to be fair it is kinda stupid.
The same can be said about the FBI report and its attempt to re-write history

Posted by: IP at June 22, 2017 12:55 PM (MdC1o)

34 So when the realignment finally occurs, this will be part of it. The wholly inept Federal Bureau of Investigation.

We're not there yet, but then we're also not yet at the point of recognizing this isn't really a Democrats v. Republicans thing.

Incidents like this might be, but it's an incidental factor.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2017 12:55 PM (TOk1P)

35 Yes, just stumbled into a park in a town he specifically moved to while carrying guns and opened fire at nobody in particular except the people he had previously said he hated. Total coincidence. Well, set of coincidences. Did we mention a squirrel? THERE IT GOES!

Posted by: Federal Bureau of Coincidences at June 22, 2017 12:56 PM (RD7QR)

36 Trump should fire the FBI director.

Oh, wait....

Posted by: blaster at June 22, 2017 12:56 PM (TTgpD)

37 Comey let Lynch hamstring the Hillary investigation.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 22, 2017 12:56 PM (+7/1f)

38 And here I thought I wasn't going to have to hulk out on Thors-day.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 22, 2017 12:56 PM (udajc)

39 Appoint Scalise as an Independent Special Investigator of the FBI.

Posted by: davidt at June 22, 2017 12:56 PM (XoldI)

40 How about intent. Has the crack staff at the FBI determined any intent on the part of Meathead Hodgkinson?
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We are sure of one fact: we will NEVER know his motive.

Or the motive of the man that attacked a police officer at the Flint airport.

Posted by: The FBI/ DNC at June 22, 2017 12:56 PM (aT+Bx)

41 Of all the shit going on recently, this one is perhaps the most chilling to me.

No idea how we can crawl out of this shit-storm intact.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at June 22, 2017 12:57 PM (RwwCT)

42 McCabe has to go. Now.

And yeah, it will take a lot to get me to vote guilty on a Federal jury now.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at June 22, 2017 12:57 PM (Q8iGK)

43 We're living in the Twilight Zone, folks.. unbelievable.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 22, 2017 12:57 PM (so+oy)

44 OT but PDT has tweeted that he didn't tape his conversations with Comey.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 12:57 PM (/+Xt3)

45 He just couldn't find his way to Nationals park... he meant to go to the Yankees game.

Posted by: Reverse Polish Notation at June 22, 2017 12:57 PM (qfDb3)

46 I wonder what police departments by and large are thinking about the FBI these days. I worked at a local law enforcement agency that fucking hated the feebies years and years ago, going out of their way to shit all over the suits when they could. I can't even imagine what they must think of them now.

Posted by: Gaylord Farkemall at June 22, 2017 12:58 PM (+dsLj)

47 >>So when the realignment finally occurs, this will be part of it. The wholly inept Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Seems to be more than inept - it's intentionally not prosecuting certain people and groups. They let jihadis' wives leave the country, they ignore warnings from Russia re: Tsarnaevs, they declares something "not terrorism!" within in hour after the attack, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2017 12:58 PM (NOIQH)

48 Trump hinted that he might have tapes after Comey had already started leaking. Intent was to try to keep Comey honest.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 22, 2017 12:58 PM (+7/1f)

49 I'm certain that there are hundreds if not thousands of upstanding agents about to resign in protest over this. I'll just be over here holding my breath.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 22, 2017 12:59 PM (kTF2Z)

50 These lies do nothing but hurt you.

- Love the MFM and the perpetual Narative

Posted by: Fox at June 22, 2017 12:59 PM (TFUTH)

51 It isn't just the FBI that has devolved into a cesspool - pretty much any government agency has become a danger to us (meaning people who wish to live without a boot on their neck). There is no "Deep State." It is just the STATE - entrenched bureaucrats who aren't going away without a fight. Big Brother has grown massively and metastasized into Big Monster. It demands MOAR and MOAR and MOAR (see: California). I don't see how we're ever going to kill this fucking Godzilla.

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 22, 2017 12:59 PM (vkS2Z)

52 Jeff Sessions? Never heard of him.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at June 22, 2017 01:00 PM (vg8iE)

53 muh pension

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 22, 2017 01:00 PM (nFwvY)

54 The POTUS can designate the SPLC as a terrorist group, can't he?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 22, 2017 01:00 PM (7ZVPa)

55 I'm certain that there are hundreds if not thousands of upstanding agents about to resign in protest over this. I'll just be over here holding my breath.

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They don't call them the Federal Bureau of Idiots for nothing.

Posted by: Gaylord Farkemall at June 22, 2017 01:00 PM (+dsLj)

56 21 The SPLC that Eric Holder partnered with to find and prosecute domestic terrorism.

Yes, the SPLC has had the power of the DoJ at their fingertips.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2017 12:54 PM (NOIQH)

The SPLC that inspired Floyd Lee Corkins to try to shoot up the Family Research Center.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2017 01:01 PM (CMbMd)

57 Seems to be more than inept - it's intentionally not prosecuting certain people and groups. They let jihadis' wives leave the country, they ignore warnings from Russia re: Tsarnaevs, they declares something "not terrorism!" within in hour after the attack, etc.
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Don't forget the Arwan brothers, the Pakistani brothers who worked for the DNC who committed treason.

Posted by: shibumi at June 22, 2017 01:01 PM (aT+Bx)

58 FBI has sucked for years.

"You asked for a miracle, I give you the FBI."

e.g., after the first World Trade bombing in 1993, they had the remains of the truck that was the truck bomb but not much of it left. With a fine disregard for the rules, a young NYPD spirited away the crankcase from the Feds. You see as a Yute he had worked in his uncle's Brooklyn auto shop and knew there was an extra VIN number inside, which led to the NYPD hanging around a Jersey City rental shop until one of the perps showed up to get his deposit back.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 22, 2017 01:01 PM (+7/1f)

59 I bet the Democrats launch an investigation to find out if Trump kept tapes and then erased them.

Also,while Trump says he kept no tapes, he left open the possibility that someone else taped them....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 01:02 PM (/+Xt3)

60 I'm assuming that the SPLC gets our tax dollars to help them cover the cost of targeting us also?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 22, 2017 01:02 PM (7ZVPa)

61 The shoddiest and sloppiest of excuses. Not even a good try. Tells you what they think of themselves vs. us. Both the FBI and CIA should be shit-canned and scrapped for metal. We are not getting our money's worth.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 22, 2017 01:02 PM (wI4ew)

62 Barney Fife used to say that one day he was going to
join the FBI. They'd be better off with Barney Fife in charge. He might
have been incompetent but at least he was honestly incompetent Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 22, 2017 12:53 PM (493sH)
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Ayup.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 22, 2017 01:02 PM (MIKMs)

63
I haven't done the math, but with 28 Republican congress critters on the field, if he had rubbed then out, a slam-dunk impeachment vote could have been brought up within days.

Too lazy to do the math on hot summer day.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 22, 2017 01:02 PM (PduNE)

64 Morris Dees has made a fortune from the gullible rubes of the Left.

Posted by: Grump928(C)

He once made a confession similar to L. Ron Hubbard. Ie. that his main aim in creating the SPLC was to enrich himself. He was also accused of molesting his adopted daughter. Morris Sleaze.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 22, 2017 01:02 PM (xAvrH)

65 I'm so ashamed I can't even where my Female Body Inspector tee shirt anymore.

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 01:02 PM (rmVvL)

66 My theory is that it wasn't an assassination attempt at a, just a Muzzie-style celebration of spring with rounds fired in the air. Just bad luck really.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 22, 2017 01:02 PM (Nwg0u)

67
But don't worry Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell have full confidence that Bob Mueller will be fair an unbiased.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 22, 2017 01:02 PM (lKyWE)

68 Just got a text from IPspouse. Her and #2 son are riding in Sturgis SD area for a few days. Seems to be an overabundance of BLM vehicles in the area of Spearfish. An officer she spoke to at breakfast eluded to narcotics and unlawful assembly issues.

Posted by: IP at June 22, 2017 01:03 PM (MdC1o)

69 Don't forget the Arwan brothers, the Pakistani brothers who worked for the DNC who committed treason.
Posted by: shibumi

Something that would almost make a great post on a blog or something..

Almost.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 22, 2017 01:03 PM (udajc)

70 Mortimer hardest hit?

Paging Mortimer.

Put some knowledge to ace.

Just trying to preserve comity amidst the comedy.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2017 01:04 PM (QDnY+)

71 Don't forget the Arwan brothers, the Pakistani brothers who worked for the DNC who committed treason.
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Yeah, they really went above and beyond. Don't worry, they were taken care of. *wink wink*

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman-Schultz at June 22, 2017 01:04 PM (vg8iE)

72 I'm assuming that the SPLC gets our tax dollars to help them cover the cost of targeting us also?

I thought that they closed off some of that money that goes to 'civil-rights' (read 'Democrat') NGOs.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2017 01:05 PM (oVJmc)

73 There's the term "collateral damage". If the FBI sucks this bad, what is the probability of their doing "collateral good"? Enough to justify their continued existence as they are? I'm not sure how they would dare to do this under the current administration and climate of opinion. Maybe they don't realize how "woke" everyone is now.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 22, 2017 01:05 PM (xAvrH)

74

Meh,, I love me some FBI...

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at June 22, 2017 01:06 PM (j/Mlu)

75 Morris Dees has made a fortune from the gullible rubes of the Left.

They're fine with that, he's useful.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2017 01:06 PM (oVJmc)

76 Trump should take a page out of JFKs playbook - smash the FBI into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the winds.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 22, 2017 01:06 PM (X6fMO)

77 Aw, hell, the FBI still partners with the SPLC. See them listed under "Public Outreach."

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/civil-rights/hate-crimes

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2017 01:06 PM (NOIQH)

78 I'm guessing FBI means full blooded idiot.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at June 22, 2017 01:07 PM (aMlLZ)

79 73 There's the term "collateral damage". If the FBI sucks this bad, what is the probability of their doing "collateral good"? Enough to justify their continued existence as they are? I'm not sure how they would dare to do this under the current administration and climate of opinion. Maybe they don't realize how "woke" everyone is now.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 22, 2017 01:05 PM (xAvrH)

Or more likely, it's just them shouting "TRY AND STOP US!" with their middle fingers in the air.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2017 01:07 PM (CMbMd)

80 I'm assuming that the SPLC gets our tax dollars to help them cover the cost of targeting us also?

I thought that they closed off some of that money that goes to 'civil-rights' (read 'Democrat') NGOs.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles

It was just signed. Ink's not even dry yet.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 01:07 PM (j+h+K)

81 Chinless wonder Mark Potok will be along shortly to explain how nothing that his organization appears to promote violence means you're a racist homophobe who wouldn't bake a cake for a mosque that was sponsoring a fundraiser for an abortion clinic.

Posted by: John Marston at June 22, 2017 01:07 PM (SkuXa)

82 Mortimer hardest hit?

Posted by: MAGA at June 22, 2017 01:07 PM (LQ1Q3)

83 I've recused myself. From everything.

Posted by: Jeff Sessions at June 22, 2017 01:07 PM (vg8iE)

84 Just another arm of the DNC, this one carrying weapons and subpeonas.

Yup, the FBI is another institution that has been hollowed out by progressives who are now wearing its skin and demanding respect.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 22, 2017 01:08 PM (AmNTJ)

85
Trump should take a page out of JFKs playbook - smash the FBI into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the winds.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 22, 2017 01:06 PM (X6fMO)

A sizable group of people would argue that didn't work out so well for JFK in the end

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 22, 2017 01:09 PM (lKyWE)

86 I've recused myself. From everything.
Posted by: Jeff Sessions

Trust us, we know.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 01:09 PM (j+h+K)

87 Yup, the FBI is another institution that has been hollowed out by progressives who are now wearing its skin and demanding respect.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 22, 2017 01:08 PM (AmNTJ)
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Say? Are you about a size 14?

Posted by: Jame Gumm at June 22, 2017 01:09 PM (vg8iE)

88 So when the realignment finally occurs, this will be part of it. The wholly inept Federal Bureau of Investigation.

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Seems to be more than inept - it's intentionally not prosecuting certain people and groups. They let jihadis' wives leave the country, they ignore warnings from Russia re: Tsarnaevs, they declares something "not terrorism!" within in hour after the attack, etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2017 12:58 PM (NOIQH)

Inept is just a summary word for the outcome. Not a statement on intentionality.

Same as Congress. They can't seem to get the job done they were elected to do, so they're inept. Now, is that because they're stupid or because they're corrupt?

(Yes I know: Embrace the power of "and")

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2017 01:09 PM (TOk1P)

89
I've recused myself. From everything.

Posted by: Jeff Sessions
________________________

I love me some Jeff Sessions too...

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at June 22, 2017 01:09 PM (j/Mlu)

90 Yes let's turn this into a flame thread.

Asshat.

Posted by: John Marston at June 22, 2017 01:09 PM (SkuXa)

91 normally "being accused of" is weasel crap I don't like to cite, but smearing people with "accused of" is the whole point of the SPLC.

I'm sure Morris Dees and Harry Reid had lots to talk about.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 22, 2017 01:10 PM (ZM/Co)

92 So is the FBI part of the Clinton Crime Family or the Democrat Extortion Syndicate?

They're not the same organization.

Posted by: MAGA at June 22, 2017 01:10 PM (LQ1Q3)

93 Yup, the FBI is another institution that has been hollowed out by progressives who are now wearing its skin and demanding respect.
Posted by: OregonMuse

That'll be $0.30.

Posted by: theoretical Iowahawk IP lawyer at June 22, 2017 01:10 PM (udajc)

94 77 Aw, hell, the FBI still partners with the SPLC. See them listed under "Public Outreach."
https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/civil-rights/hate-crimes
Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2017 01:06 PM (NOIQH)

Even some on the left (albeit a small minority) are starting to realize that the SPLC is just a corrupt money-raising operation.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 22, 2017 01:10 PM (AmNTJ)

95 Alex the Chick for Special Counsel.

Let the Interrogation Games begin!

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Carries ACME Products for Our Democrat Customers! at June 22, 2017 01:10 PM (hLRSq)

96 We need independent investigations showing (1) Lynch's hamstringing of the Hillary investigation, and (2) IC agencies snooping on Obama's perceived enemies.

Unlike Russian Collusion, these actually happened. They shouldn't be that hard to prove, if there's a determined effort.

Either will have momentous consequences.

This has to happen. I actually believe these fucks are a Clear and Present Danger, and that they're America's worst enemies. Am I wrong?

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 22, 2017 01:10 PM (+7/1f)

97 >>Yes I know: Embrace the power of "and"

Heh. Stupid *and* corrupt. Exactly!

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2017 01:10 PM (NOIQH)

98 85
Trump should take a page out of JFKs playbook - smash the FBI into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the winds.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 22, 2017 01:06 PM (X6fMO)

A sizable group of people would argue that didn't work out so well for JFK in the end
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 22, 2017 01:09 PM (lKyWE)

Didn't work out so well for us either.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 22, 2017 01:11 PM (9GhFt)

99 Man, this is turning into a Congress vs. Dark State furball. The GOP wanted, prayed for a chance to sit on the sidelines while Trump went hand-to-hand with the entrenched Obamanaut bureacrats. But that's out the window. Trump + Congress vs. Dark State isn't going to be pretty.

Ugly, but necessary.

Posted by: mrp at June 22, 2017 01:11 PM (Pqytn)

100 I'd fuck me, I'd fuck me hard.

Posted by: The FBI at June 22, 2017 01:12 PM (LTHVh)

101 A sizable group of people would argue that didn't work out so well for JFK in the end

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 22, 2017 01:09 PM (lKyWE)

Didn't work out so well for us either.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 22, 2017 01:11 PM (9GhFt)

LBJ: What do y'all mean?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 22, 2017 01:12 PM (493sH)

102 Somewhere in Kalorama, Ben Rhodes is laughing his ass off, saying "Those idiots! They think they still have a country!"

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2017 01:12 PM (CMbMd)

103
So these people say that Trump could get the susan rice unmasking docs if he wants.

http://tinyurl.com/y7a7m6bx

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 22, 2017 01:12 PM (r+sAi)

104 Yup, the FBI is another institution that has been hollowed out by progressives who are now wearing its skin and demanding respect.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 22, 2017 01:08 PM (AmNTJ)
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Say? Are you about a size 14?
Posted by: Jame Gumm at June 22, 2017 01:09 PM (vg8iE)

Which is doubly funny, because most of us have our "positive" opinions of entities like the FBI primarily from Hollowwood propaganda.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2017 01:12 PM (TOk1P)

105 There's no such thing as the deep state. You must be wearing jeans.

Posted by: George Will at June 22, 2017 01:12 PM (IqV8l)

106 We need independent investigations showing (1) Lynch's hamstringing of the Hillary investigation, and (2) IC agencies snooping on Obama's perceived enemies.

Unlike Russian Collusion, these actually happened. They shouldn't be that hard to prove, if there's a determined effort.

SHH!! You'll wake up Jeff Sessions!

The poor darling needs his afternoon nap. He works so hard.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 22, 2017 01:12 PM (X6fMO)

107 It's like Pontius Pilate said in a similar situation, "What is truth?"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 22, 2017 01:13 PM (Nwg0u)

108 I don't think I'll ever trust the FBI again, and would be very skeptical of any case they made, were I sitting on a federal jury.

The FBI torched its reputation to the ground and then pissed on the ashes ages ago.

How about that nearly every single bit of testimony on hair analysis for decades was false?

http://wapo.st/2tybSgK

Or, you know, how those evil Republicans in charge of the DoJ in 2014 stopped the investigations into the fraud at the FBI labs because, oops, too many cases were tainted?

http://wapo.st/2rZXxYn

Then there's this which was released in 2014 discussing problems that surfaced in 1997.

https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2014/e1404.pdf

I can't find the story but I also recall there's stuff out there that the FBI arson investigation unit just made stuff up about ignition points.

Yeah, you tell me the FBI says x or y or that the FBI labs, which were considered the platinum standard, said findings were such and such and I will assume it's a lie.

This isn't a problem with the leadership of the FBI. This is a systemic problem with the agents as well.

You want to know why the American populace has no trust in its institutions? Because they are provably untrustworthy.

Posted by: alexthechick - may grace abound at June 22, 2017 01:13 PM (mf5HN)

109 Didn't they find out a while back that the vaunted FBI clrime lab in many cases just made shit up?

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 01:13 PM (rmVvL)

110 Bet Obama turned the FBI within 60 days of being sworn in.

He and his people knew exactly how. Trump seem powerless when it comes to politicizing agencies. The deep state has permanent roots.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 22, 2017 01:13 PM (8TyKU)

111 Fucking scary that we can't trust our intelligence services. They put the facts through a political filter and gave the public propaganda.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 22, 2017 01:14 PM (80X3Z)

112 26 Hodgkinson also read that the Republicans practiced on that field with minimal security...he read it in the NY Times.
Posted by: steevy
________

The mention in the Federalist article was the first I had seen this.

Unless there was a similar mention of where the Dims were practicing and what kind of security measures were in place there, the reporter and the editor ought to be investigated for being an accessory to the crime.

Would they like for a newspaper to publish where they live and what kind of security measures they have in place?

Posted by: Furious George at June 22, 2017 01:14 PM (j+dfT)

113 They're all a bunch of patriotic stand-up guys.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2017 01:14 PM (0mRoj)

114 Well AtC answered my question...

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 01:14 PM (rmVvL)

115 110 Bet Obama turned the FBI within 60 days of being sworn in.

He and his people knew exactly how. Trump seem powerless when it comes to politicizing agencies. The deep state has permanent roots.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 22, 2017 01:13 PM (8TyKU)

Bet he didn't have to, because Billy Jeff already did it.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2017 01:15 PM (CMbMd)

116 OK, need a giggle? (Going O/T because this is depressing)

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/877919309388890112

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2017 01:15 PM (NOIQH)

117 But we caught the Unabomber !!!

Wait we can't take credit for his brother turning him in?

Posted by: FBI success stories at June 22, 2017 01:15 PM (9GhFt)

118 Don't know about you guys, but I'm interested in Mortimer's take on this...

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 01:15 PM (Mfkgn)

119 Well, to be fair to the FBI, all the honest, hard-working, men who took their oath to the country and Constitution more seriously than their avarice for a bigger salary and fat pension resigned in protest when Comey was slow-walking and then quashed the investigation into Hillary.

Wait.

No.

No they did not.

They're all still there and not one damned one of them has leaked one single hint of anything about that investigation.

That's amazing isn't it?

Not a word on what was covered up for Hillary.

But: Almost daily leaks about Trump.

By the FBI.

Such fine men. Such fine women.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 22, 2017 01:15 PM (Qj2Mo)

120 7 PDTS needs to call the FBI onto the carpet publicly and in a very harsh manner.
____________________

I'd prefer he just immediately fire each and every non civil-service type, and warn the others that if they even think about stepping out of line, they will be transferred to a branch office in Arkansas, Alabama or some other red-state backwater.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 22, 2017 01:16 PM (nS5LK)

121 Well AtC answered my question...
Posted by: steevy

Yeah. Thanks to her, I've learned more than I cared to know. I wish we could get that info out to a broader audience.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 01:16 PM (j+h+K)

122 The FBI must know it discredits itself with these kinds of outlandishly false findings completely at odds with the facts of the case.

Public entities of any sort succeed or fail on the faith of the public, the will of the people. So when the press publishes or broadcasts Pravda-like lies and when formerly respected agencies clumsily cover for a political party or a progressive agenda, what exactly do they think will happen?

Don't trust a reporter. Don't trust a fed. Never trust a Democrat.

Posted by: troyriser at June 22, 2017 01:16 PM (Fw5cQ)

123 If you work for the FBI you are a total tool bag. End of discussion.

Turn in your resignation tomorrow, if this isn't enough, then you are just as incompetent and useless as any other bureaucrat.

Posted by: Cashin at June 22, 2017 01:16 PM (xbHqm)

124 Just good, solid, law and order types upholding their oaths and doing their jobs.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2017 01:16 PM (0mRoj)

125 ♫
And you knew who you were then
Girls were girls and men were men
Mister we could use a man
like Efrem Zimbalist again...

Posted by: Muldoon at June 22, 2017 01:16 PM (mvenn)

126 Bet he didn't have to, because Billy Jeff already did it.
Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2017 01:15 PM (CMbMd)

==============================================

That's what I told my dad last night. They've been bent since at least Ruby Ridge.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 01:17 PM (Mfkgn)

127 86 I've recused myself. From everything.
Posted by: Jeff Sessions

Well, you did wake up long enough to threaten states rights over marijuana. So there's that. And...that's about it. Go back to sleep, Jeffy.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 22, 2017 01:17 PM (s/EUv)

128 103
So these people say that Trump could get the susan rice unmasking docs if he wants.

http://tinyurl.com/y7a7m6bx
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 22, 2017 01:12 PM (r+sAi)

--------

I'm 100% certain every unmasking request is recorded in each department requested (Fbi, Cia, etc).

That os, if there hasn't been a shredding party.

Posted by: MAGA at June 22, 2017 01:18 PM (LQ1Q3)

129 Bet he didn't have to, because Billy Jeff already did it.
Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2017 01:15 PM (CMbMd)

==============================================

That's what I told my dad last night. They've been bent since at least Ruby Ridge.
Posted by: Jackal

Waco.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 01:18 PM (j+h+K)

130 Ignoramus, well said. Those two known, massively important cases need to be investigated/prosecuted if there is even a small chance that the rule of law can be partially restored.

I'd just modify the first item to encompass the entire scandal/crime set: Hillary and Co.'s massive systematic violations of the Espionage and Public Record Acts, as well as the (probably criminal) malfeasance of Comey and Lynch and others in crippling the investigation from the outset (bizarre use of immunity deals, permission to destroy evidence, etc.).

Oh - and I think this should be a thing: let's not have "independent" or "special" investigations. Don't we have a DOJ for a reason? Aren't the people there already well (probably over-) paid to do precisely this kind of thing? Can't a team be assembled within DOJ by Sessions to do this?

If not - then we might be so far gone that there's no point even trying to sort it out. Just turn to seizing advantage amidst the Third World wreckage, and hope our mob can be more successful than their mob (ours is much better armed, at least).

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2017 01:18 PM (QDnY+)

131 Trump seem powerless when it comes to politicizing agencies. The deep state has permanent roots.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 22, 2017 01:13 PM (8TyKU)
_______________

Since around 90% of the federal bureaucracy are leftist Democrats, it's more of a battle for a Trump than it is for a Clinton or an Obama.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 22, 2017 01:18 PM (nS5LK)

132 After Kennedy, FBI agents have always been incompetent and leakers.

Posted by: Deep Throat at June 22, 2017 01:18 PM (9GhFt)

133 I know. We make the FBI janitors agents and the agents janitors. I mean, it couldn't be worse.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 22, 2017 01:18 PM (Nwg0u)

134 51
Big Brother has grown massively and metastasized into Big Monster. It demands MOAR and MOAR and MOAR (see: California). I don't see how we're ever going to kill this fucking Godzilla.
Posted by: kathysaysso at June 22, 2017 12:59 PM (vkS2Z)

*whistles innocently*

Posted by: Math at June 22, 2017 01:18 PM (xjiRE)

135 And who owns, operates, and funds the $PLC?

Posted by: Rabbi High Comma at June 22, 2017 01:18 PM (EggIX)

136 ay least this explains why Jeff Sessions doesnt understand why anyone would want to smoke dope. he's been in a *natural* fugue state for months.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 22, 2017 01:19 PM (ZM/Co)

137 he fbi in anutshell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcwz8-EfFYE

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 22, 2017 01:19 PM (ymnmz)

138
Yeah, fook them...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2017 01:20 PM (pNxlR)

139 I don't see how we're ever going to kill this fucking Godzilla.
Posted by: kathysaysso

*whistles innocently*
Posted by: Math

*cough*

Posted by: weaponized smallpox at June 22, 2017 01:20 PM (udajc)

140 That's what I told my dad last night. They've been bent since at least Ruby Ridge.
Posted by: Jackal

Waco.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 01:18 PM (j+h+K)

Waco followed Ruby Ridge. Same FBI shooter at both locations. Probably now in some witness protection program for life.

Shame some guy, who I won't name, didn't take his wrath out on him - LH.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 22, 2017 01:20 PM (PduNE)

141 Law enforcement are heroes! How dare you say anything negative about these brave men and women who put their lives on the line all day every day to keep us safe! Why do you hate America?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2017 01:20 PM (0mRoj)

142 There is no reason to ever take a picture of Simpson. It's dirt, with more dirt next door. It has some crappy grass in the outfield. The in-between the two baseball fields are..........dirt. Chain link fence, dog park (dirt) next to highway, and old metal 5 tier bleechers. My kids have played ball there off and on for 20 years. Number of pictures I have? Zero.

Posted by: dagny at June 22, 2017 01:20 PM (OdHXU)

143 Posted by: Math at June 22, 2017 01:18 PM

*****

I was told there would be no 'you'.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 22, 2017 01:21 PM (mvenn)

144 There are lots of evils of liberalism, like infiltration of organizations or the quote in the OP

Laird Wilcox, one of the foremost experts on American political extremism, said the SPLC has "specialized a highly developed and ritualized form of defamation ... a way of harming and isolating people by denying their humanity and trying to convert them into something that deserves to be hated and eliminated."

Or tmi3rd's quotes about a lawyer's guild supporting Ayers the mad bomber.

I think this is all just a surface symptom of a deeper problem: large numbers of people are so gullible and historically ignorant that they fall for the superficially appealing bullshit propaganda of the left. We need to try to figure out how to immunize people against this, as young as possible.

You eliminate that, all the headaches, like agonizing that $23 million can tilt the election to Ossoff would go away. If people aren't stupid. $23 million will not convince them that 2+2=5.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 22, 2017 01:21 PM (xAvrH)

145
Scum, every last one of them.

Stay off my lawn.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2017 01:21 PM (pNxlR)

146 In a short radio news update at the top of the hour I heard the FBI say that there was no evidence of Hodgkinson stalking anyone. He kust had a list of names in his pocket. Un-fucking-believable.

Posted by: LGoPs at June 22, 2017 01:21 PM (EWZTH)

147 And then there was that bizarre day when the FBI's honesty, integrity, and competence dipped below that of the New Orleans PD.

Waiting for an FBI agent to rob a liquor store.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 22, 2017 01:21 PM (wB8Tg)

148 Even the once respected Secret Service turned into a cesspool of incompetence and moral ineptitude thanks mostly to Obama.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 22, 2017 01:21 PM (9GhFt)

149 I bet you the Fbi doesn't want to get too deep in the Hodgkinson mess because of possible collusion with the Dems and leftist organizations.

Posted by: MAGA at June 22, 2017 01:21 PM (LQ1Q3)

150 kust = just

Posted by: LGoPs at June 22, 2017 01:22 PM (EWZTH)

151
I'd prefer he just immediately fire each and every non civil-service type, and warn the others that if they even think about stepping out of line, they will be transferred to a branch office in Arkansas, Alabama or some other red-state backwater.Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 22, 2017 01:16 PM (nS5LK)
Alaska too. This is exactly the solution.

Posted by: dagny at June 22, 2017 01:22 PM (OdHXU)

152 ...the fbi in a nutshell...

******

An appropriate receptacle...

Posted by: Muldoon at June 22, 2017 01:22 PM (mvenn)

153 You want to know why the American populace has no trust in its institutions? Because they are provably untrustworthy.
Posted by: alexthechick - may grace abound at June 22, 2017 01:13 PM (mf5HN)

...

Holy crap. That is astounding.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 22, 2017 01:23 PM (yL25O)

154
FBI says no wider plot in Michigan airport stabbing. I say yes there is, its called islam.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 22, 2017 01:23 PM (r+sAi)

155 The SPLC thinks Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood is a Right-Wing Hate Group.

Well, they would if it would get them donations.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 22, 2017 01:23 PM (wB8Tg)

156 Since around 90% of the federal bureaucracy are leftist Democrats, it's more of a battle for a Trump than it is for a Clinton or an Obama.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 22, 2017 01:18 PM (nS5LK)

Which leaves "Let It Burn".

Because even a Zell Miller would have hell.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 01:24 PM (j+h+K)

157 Rhomboid @130

Repost from last August on point:
Here's a post mortem. Comey and the FBI acted on a narrow investigation order. It was Hillary and her e-mails only. This was purposeful and hamstrung the investigation from the start.
e.g., The FBI did not investigate the "air gap" of how secure content on the government system got moved to Hillary's home brew. This almost certainly had to involve some combination of Huma, Cheryl or Jake. With none of them made a target -- nor their actions tied to Hillary -- much of the case was lost. No intent, no conspiracy. No leverage on Hillary's minions. Importantly, I thought this could be proven without any minion flipping, just with time logs of who accessed what and when. This should have been a relatively easy case to make. Had it been, there's no way that Comey couldn't find requisite intent no matter how he read the applicable statutes.
Nor did the FBI investigate Clinton Cash Corruption. I thought they would, based on leaks to Fox News'' Catherine Herridge. She got played. So did I. Related to this, the FBI ignored that "Hillary's lawyers permanently put 30,000 e-mails beyond forensic recovery." This is the true Holy Shit Headline.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 22, 2017 01:24 PM (+7/1f)

158 If you are a prominent Democrat, the FBI is your defense attorney.

See: Hilary Clinton

Posted by: qzy at June 22, 2017 01:24 PM (/BrzZ)

159 FBI says no wider plot in Michigan airport stabbing. I say yes there is, its called islam.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 22, 2017 01:23 PM (r+sAi)

FBI: Just because there are thousands of lone wolves around the world all doing the same thing with the exact same thing linking all of them doesn't mean they are in any way connected.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 22, 2017 01:24 PM (493sH)

160 You know how sometimes you've got a "Eliminate Republicans"-blog and you surveil them and take a gun to their ballgame and you ask which team is the Republicans and you have a written list of congressmen in your pocket and the gun you bought and loaded and pointed just goes off multiple times even though you were really just going to the 7/11 for some potato chips and a Pepsi?

It could happen to anybody, really.

Sincerely,

Posted by: The FBI at June 22, 2017 01:24 PM (Ndje9)

161 didn't the Secret Service bang some ho' s in Colombia and then not pay? it is not like there is any blackmail opportunity there. they are lucky that Colombia is so well known for its crime-free culture and its uncorruptible institutions

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 22, 2017 01:25 PM (ZM/Co)

162 RICO. Please and thank you.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 22, 2017 01:25 PM (80X3Z)

163 161 didn't the Secret Service bang some ho' s in Colombia and then not pay? it is not like there is any blackmail opportunity there. they are lucky that Colombia is so well known for its crime-free culture and its uncorruptible institutions
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 22, 2017 01:25 PM (ZM/Co)

There you go again, besmirching our law enforcement heroes again. Don't you want us to be safe? Why do you hate America?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2017 01:26 PM (0mRoj)

164 Ummm, the FBI has been corrupted, weaponized and broken for quite some time.

Most of the federal leviathan, it's apparatus and appendages have equal doses of incompetent and evil.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 22, 2017 01:26 PM (7SnKY)

165 If FB didn't hand over the full account, including messenger logs, then there's some *massive* corruption here.

Messenger is likely where any collusion/planning was done, if it wasn't a "lone wolf." (That and telephone and personal meetings).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 22, 2017 01:26 PM (wB8Tg)

166 That's what I told my dad last night. They've been bent since at least Ruby Ridge.
Posted by: Jackal
Waco. Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 01:18 PM (j+h+K)
=====

Those whackobirds yammering on about their rights.

Lavoy Finnegan and Ammon Bundy wonder.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 22, 2017 01:26 PM (MIKMs)

167 The Left has polluted all levels of Gov and The Education System...Tear it down and start over

PC will kill us all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 22, 2017 01:27 PM (5y11N)

168 Complaining about the FBI as an institution gone wrong won't persuade anyone, no matter how true the community laint may be. Complaints about IRS persecution held no ones interest either until Lois Lernor's exploits put a face and a name to institutionalized political attacks.

So too with the FBI. I recommend naming a name, freezing that persons crimes in the public mind by absolute relentless vilification, and forcing that person to resign from public life. Maybe jail him or her, if necessary.

Posted by: Saul Alinsky at June 22, 2017 01:27 PM (ylUqT)

169 Those whackobirds yammering on about their rights.

They're the real terrorists.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2017 01:27 PM (0mRoj)

170 "turned the FBI within 60 days of being sworn in"

Hillary wiped her ass with the FBI when she was in the White House.

Those were FBI records she misplaced (remember that?). FBI records with all the gossip on her and Bill's political opponents.

Posted by: Mudd at June 22, 2017 01:27 PM (cfHE9)

171 Well AtC answered my question...
Posted by: steevy

Yeah. Thanks to her, I've learned more than I cared to know. I wish we could get that info out to a broader audience.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 01:16 PM (j+h+K)

I've stopped reading WaPo but it was on this matter for years. I don't know how much bigger than WaPo it can get in the US.

This is a hot button issue for me because I used to do an absolute shit ton of work on TRIGGER WARNING TRIGGER WARNING Daubert and Frye matters and thus I had to know both an Imperial and a metrcic fuck ton about scientific acceptance and blah blah blah blah oh praise you Lord I don't do that now.

I'm not kidding that the FBI labs were considered platinum standard. If a test was done in a manner consistent with the FBI labs, bam, admissible bitches.

Now it turns out that nearly all of that was lies. Because, here's the thing, if it's being falsified for pattern recognition matters, why should I assume it's not being falsified in other areas? Falsus in uno and all that.

Not to mention that my stuff was stupid civil stuff. The FBI was providing made up testimony in death penalty cases. Throw in the state lab scandals (see re: Massachusetts drug lab) and no one should believe what crime labs say.

Hell, the Duke kids? If they hadn't had the money to hire damn good lawyers, and if one of the lawyers hadn't gone to Amazon to buy a book about DNA, then the state lab tech was all set to testify that yup yup it was totes those kids who raped Crystal Magnum.

Behold, my button. Let me jump up and down on it.

Posted by: alexthechick - may grace abound at June 22, 2017 01:28 PM (mf5HN)

172
didn't the Secret Service bang some ho' s in Colombia and then not pay? it is not like there is any blackmail opportunity there. they are lucky that Colombia is so well known for its crime-free culture and its uncorruptible institutions
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 22, 2017 01:25 PM (ZM/Co)

You forgot the part where they turned their weapons over to gangsters for safe keeping while they were banging the hookers

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 22, 2017 01:28 PM (lKyWE)

173 Look like we found some people who can opt for early retirement with out benefits.

I need competent people at the FBI.

Posted by: Picric at June 22, 2017 01:28 PM (s0VSd)

174 Oh - and I think this should be a thing: let's not have "independent" or
"special" investigations. Don't we have a DOJ for a reason? Aren't the
people there already well (probably over-) paid to do precisely this
kind of thing? Can't a team be assembled within DOJ by Sessions to do
this?

They aren't overpaid, but the rest is very true. There is no reason DoJ can't prosecute the rest of it. However, the FBI has to do the investigative work and hand over the evidence to DoJ prosecutors.

The FBI has been destroyed by Comey.

Posted by: dagny at June 22, 2017 01:28 PM (OdHXU)

175 I'm trying to find out how many kiddie diddlers are caught and jailed by the fbi and DoInJ every year. I'm told that's the reason to keep them.

That information is hard to find.

Posted by: MAGA at June 22, 2017 01:29 PM (LQ1Q3)

176 Nothing changes till agencies go after people with political power. Then the agency usually just changes sides.

Posted by: Mudd at June 22, 2017 01:29 PM (cfHE9)

177 And who owns, operates, and funds the $PLC?
_______________________

It was founded and is run by a crooked trial lawyer named Morris Dees. He raises a lot of the money through direct-mail solicitations. He also pays himself and his executives generously. His 2010 compensation package was $345,000.

SPLC flunked an audit by the BBB, which found that SPLC spends arount 90% of its income on fund-raising and administrative costs (such as executive salaries and perks). It also has a "poor" rating from Charity Navigator.

IOW, its a scam, hate-peddling organization, and it exists mainly to provide a nice living for Morris Dees and his friends.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 22, 2017 01:29 PM (nS5LK)

178 Where is the Attorney General? Doesn't the FBI report to him? How could he allow this?

Posted by: flowerbelle1 at June 22, 2017 01:29 PM (AkAvN)

179 Posted by: alexthechick - may grace abound at June 22, 2017 01:28 PM (mf5HN)

Why do you hate law enforcement? And America?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2017 01:29 PM (0mRoj)

180 Ugh.

Just....ugh.

A sad day in America when America's top law enforcement agency proves itself to be no more than an armed wing of the Democrat Party.

What's the over/under that if Hillary! had won, these hacks would now be acting more like the secret police in the old Soviet Union than anything resembling the fabled crime busters of yore?

UGH.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 22, 2017 01:29 PM (9q7Dl)

181 158 If you are a prominent Democrat, the FBI is your defense attorney.

See: Hilary Clinton

Posted by: qzy at June 22, 2017 01:24 PM (/BrzZ)

+++

Zactly. And is why she is still so smug and content; comfortably throwing knives at Trump without the slightest remorse. She's got all the protection a person could possibly ask for.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 22, 2017 01:30 PM (wI4ew)

182 The bureaubots at the FBI might like buying tacticool toys, they may have backing from the Uniparty, and they may have some lingering gravitas even as half the country increasingly regards them with revulsion, but here's the thing.

They aren't the military. They never could be. And if they're relying on intimidation to keep them safe the way the KGB and Stasi did, just check out how well that worked out for those guys.

Posted by: trev006 at June 22, 2017 01:31 PM (5Ag3u)

183 Anonymous DOJ sources: There's plenty of circumstantial evidence that Loretta Lynch is now cooperating with the FBI

Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at June 22, 2017 01:31 PM (e8kgV)

184 108
This isn't a problem with the leadership of the FBI. This is a systemic problem with the agents as well.

You want to know why the American populace has no trust in its institutions? Because they are provably untrustworthy.
Posted by: alexthechick - may grace abound at June 22, 2017 01:13 PM (mf5HN)

Thanks for that. I vaguely remembered something about fraud in FBI laboratories, but not the details.

Posted by: rickl at June 22, 2017 01:31 PM (xjiRE)

185 Yep, Ignoramus, I completely forgot the $$$$/corruption/influence peddling scandal - which, alone, could be the largest/worst scandal in US history - thought the competition is stiff, given the IRS, Fast and Furious, etc.

I know people here get into a pointless invidious loop about FBI personnel not resigning/singing over these mounting astonishing developments, and I stay out of that (even with direct, mixed experience on the intel side).

But. This *is* reaching the point that it's amazing that not even a single leaker would start providing some inside info. The FBI is beclowning itself. There have been one or two *former* senior FBI types publicly fulminating about what appears to be going on. So that's something. But.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2017 01:31 PM (QDnY+)

186 And even with Republicans in charge of the Executive Branch, they're comfortable doing this.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 22, 2017 01:32 PM (h/uSM)

187 Watch the GOP Congress go along with this lie.

Posted by: Born Free at June 22, 2017 01:32 PM (PTsUx)

188 It was too a magic bullet in '63.

Posted by: FBI at June 22, 2017 01:32 PM (JO9+V)

189 But Mueller is spotless!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 22, 2017 01:33 PM (5y11N)

190 -zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: AG Sessions at June 22, 2017 01:33 PM (80X3Z)

191 Why do you hate law enforcement? And America?
Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2017 01:29 PM (0mRoj)

It's because I'm a terrible person.

I should be spanked.

*bounds off innocently*

Posted by: alexthechick - may grace abound at June 22, 2017 01:33 PM (mf5HN)

192 Free Beacon:

"In all, Mrs. McCabe raised $1.6 million for her unsuccessful Virginia state senate race."

From MacAuliffe, his state party. Hillary bundlers and even Hillary staffers. While Mr. McCabe was investigating the emails.

And now the FBI is covering for Democrats again.

Clinton Inc. got their money'$ worth.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at June 22, 2017 01:33 PM (Ndje9)

193 Burn the FBI to the ground. It is too late for any kind of recovery after Obama politically weaponized it. Sure a bit of nothing "could" hurt us but what the FBI is doing now is just about nothing. I'd take the gamble because it is very low risk.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 22, 2017 01:33 PM (npdX6)

194 The SPLC thinks Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood is a Right-Wing Hate Group.
========

Well, now that you mention it, it was lacking in diversity.

*scribbles furiously*

There, we've added it. Thanks for the tip.

Posted by: SPLC at June 22, 2017 01:34 PM (vg8iE)

195 191 Why do you hate law enforcement? And America?
Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2017 01:29 PM (0mRoj)

It's because I'm a terrible person.

I should be spanked.

*bounds off innocently*
Posted by: alexthechick - may grace abound at June 22, 2017 01:33 PM (mf5HN)

Oh hell no, you're not getting away that easily.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2017 01:34 PM (0mRoj)

196 maybe the civil service reform acts are the problem.

why should the bureaucracy be invulnerable to elections?

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 22, 2017 01:34 PM (nFwvY)

197 Throw in the state lab scandals (see re: Massachusetts drug lab) and no one should believe what crime labs say.

Posted by: alexthechick - may grace abound at June 22, 2017 01:28 PM

Ah, yes...Annie Dookhan. Thanks bunches, toots!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 22, 2017 01:34 PM (p+Wdc)

198 Behold, my button. Let me jump up and down on it.

Posted by: alexthechick - may grace abound at June 22, 2017 01:28 PM (mf5HN)

(hands alex a licensed copy of Harley Quinn's Very Large Hammer)

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 22, 2017 01:34 PM (wB8Tg)

199 I'll give the left credit for sticking together no matter what like good little stalinists, while the Right fights amongst ourselves. Sigh.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 22, 2017 01:34 PM (5y11N)

200 And even with Republicans in charge of the Executive Branch, they're comfortable doing this.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90

Watch the GOP Congress go along with this lie.
Posted by: Born Free

^^^^^^^
Buzzsaw. THAT'S why!

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 01:34 PM (j+h+K)

201 sounds like Loretta Lynch is still *running* the FBI

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 22, 2017 01:34 PM (ZM/Co)

202 According to CNN, a "source" says that 3 Republican senators will be voting against the new health care bill...

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 01:35 PM (7uYFy)

203 I just realized that when Comey talks about the 'integrity' of the FBI, that's really just a euphemism for their political utility.

It's time to stop withdrawing criticism when the FBI protests like a woman insisting she's scandalized when you question her virginity in front of her seven children.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2017 01:35 PM (oVJmc)

204 It's because I'm a terrible person.

I should be spanked.

*bounds off innocently*

Posted by: alexthechick - may grace abound at June 22, 2017 01:33 PM

Would this be before, or after, the jumping up and down on your button?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 22, 2017 01:35 PM (p+Wdc)

205 the the conclusion is that this was a spontaneous thing like the protest that got out of hand at Benghazi.
You can bet the media would be all over the case if someone pitched a raw egg at someone like Schumer.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 22, 2017 01:35 PM (ILitO)

206 It's because I'm a terrible person.

I should be spanked.

*bounds off innocently*
Posted by: alexthechick

Bunk.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 01:35 PM (j+h+K)

207 You are blocked from following @AdamBaldwin and viewing @AdamBaldwin's Tweets.
---
can i sue him for violating my 1st Amendment rights?

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 22, 2017 01:35 PM (F8Hcy)

208 According to CNN, a "source" says that 3 Republican senators will be voting against the new health care bill...
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 01:35 PM (7uYFy)

one is Rand Paul

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 01:35 PM (7uYFy)

209 According to CNN, a "source" says that 3 Republican senators will be voting against the new health care bill...
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 01:35 PM (7uYFy)

"In it's present form"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 22, 2017 01:35 PM (5y11N)

210 if you guys watched Patriot Day (the movie about the Boston Marathon bombing), it strongly implied that the FBI were rather foot-draggy and obstructionist.

Posted by: votermom pimping great books at June 22, 2017 01:36 PM (hMwEB)

211 159 FBI says no wider plot in Michigan airport stabbing. I say yes there is, its called islam.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 22, 2017 01:23 PM (r+sAi)

FBI: Just because there are thousands of lone wolves around the world all doing the same thing with the exact same thing linking all of them doesn't mean they are in any way connected.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 22, 2017 01:24 PM (493sH)

Do birds get together to plan going south for the winter?

No. It's just in their nature.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2017 01:36 PM (SRKgf)

212 I remember in the good old days when Sessions told Trump 'I'll resign if you want me to.'

Posted by: Under Fire at June 22, 2017 01:36 PM (l4aLi)

213 Behold, my button.
Posted by: alexthechick
Posted by: Math

... Nah... just, nah.

Too easy.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 22, 2017 01:36 PM (udajc)

214 The Hodgkinson report is pretty prima facie evidence of complete incompetence by anyone in the FBI who even touched it.

They should all be promptly fired or demoted down to the lowest level possible if firing isn't an option.

Pitiful.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 22, 2017 01:36 PM (9q7Dl)

215 I fuckin hate the left

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 22, 2017 01:36 PM (5y11N)

216 We took a dangerous Martha Stewart off the streets.

Posted by: FBI success stories at June 22, 2017 01:36 PM (9GhFt)

217 I just realized that when Comey talks about the 'integrity' of the FBI, that's really just a euphemism for their

rental cost.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 01:37 PM (j+h+K)

218 One of the most unbelievable Star Trek:TNG episodes is on,one where a girl is interested in Wesey.Of course her true form is a monster so....

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 01:37 PM (rmVvL)

219 It's because I'm a terrible person.

I should be spanked.

*bounds off innocently*
Posted by: alexthechick - may grace abound at June 22, 2017 01:33 PM (mf5HN)

---

is there a form to be filled out to apply for spanking the innocent?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 22, 2017 01:37 PM (h/uSM)

220 From the previous thread:

Why?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 22, 2017 12:03 PM (8iiMU)

Variation in air density... think mirages as a manifestation of that.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2017 12:04 PM (pNxlR)

Ok. Logical.
I didn't think that would make a difference.Thanks!

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 22, 2017 01:37 PM (8iiMU)

221 kust = just

Posted by: LGoPs

"I disagree with Plato. The Good should not be merged with the Just. It should be merged with the Crust." - Woody Allen, My Philosophy

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 22, 2017 01:38 PM (xAvrH)

222 I fuckin hate the left
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 22, 2017 01:36 PM (5y11N)

My parents and the nuns taught me otherwise, but I agree with you....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 01:38 PM (7uYFy)

223
It's because I'm a terrible person.

I should be spanked.

*bounds off innocently*

Posted by: alexthechick

In super slo-mo?

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 22, 2017 01:38 PM (JO9+V)

224 How long did the FBI chase Bonnie and Clyde around the country?

It took a Texas lawman three months to kill those two pieces of trash.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 22, 2017 01:38 PM (jhqr1)

225

"You know what FBI stands for ?!? FUCKING BALLBUSTING IMBECILES !!!"

Ned Beatty, CIA, 'Hopscotch'

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at June 22, 2017 01:38 PM (fcU1Y)

226 Oh hell no, you're not getting away that easily.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2017 01:34 PM (0mRoj)

*flees*

*like the bad girl I am*

Posted by: alexthechick - here gutter gutter gutter at June 22, 2017 01:38 PM (mf5HN)

227 Just think of the nuke we dodged in November.

Posted by: Mega at June 22, 2017 01:38 PM (AYoWs)

228 I suppose when the burning times start the Fubb's will be on their side.

Posted by: Under Fire at June 22, 2017 01:38 PM (l4aLi)

229 Amazing, isn't it, that when an alleged perp can be, no matter how tenuously, linked to the "right", how these "investigative" agencies and the media can, easily within 15-minutes, develop an entire family of narratives about said perps motives, emotional state, associations, and of course ideology.

But when the alleged perp is from the left (or a jihadist, go figure), no matter how obvious the motives, emotional state, associations and ideology, all we get is "gosh gee, we may never now why this happened".

Almost as if these "investigative" agencies and the media have some sort of per-conceived bias that drives their ability to draw conclusions and whatnot.

Truly. Amazing.

Posted by: DocJ at June 22, 2017 01:38 PM (NYS7S)

230

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 22, 2017 01:39 PM (ILitO)

231
The FBI paid out millions to the estate of the Ruby Ridge family while refusing to admit guilt. You know what I call someone who pays out millions yet refuses to admit guilt? Guilty.

But they could never admit guilt because some lawyer would have been able to connect the dots between Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the OKC bombing in front of 10 honest jurors and the FBI could have been in the hole for another half a billion.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 22, 2017 01:39 PM (PduNE)

232 I'm not kidding that the FBI labs were considered platinum standard. If a test was done in a manner consistent with the FBI labs, bam, admissible bitches.

...

Plus we have recently learned that almost no one can reproduce the results of peer reviewed scientific papers. Can't even reproduce THEIR OWN RESULTS.

I remember my dad telling a story about his PhD research in biochemistry in Madison back in the day. (His lab was across the street from the one that got bombed). They were having terrible issues with their results, couldn't even get really simple, known exercises to turn out right.

Eventually they discovered that the woman tasked with cleaning the glass was using a powered soap, and had a fan blowing on her as she worked, such that dry soap flakes were being blown onto and into the beakers that she had already rinsed and set aside to dry.

That had a big enough effect to more or less shut down their operation until they discovered the source. But there are a million little things like that going on all the time, plus the human element of a whole lot of incompetent liars working in places like the FBI and wielding the power of the sword.

Even if we could get back to provable methodologies for forensics, how do we ever trust an institution to be reliable at performing those tests in the future?

Posted by: TexasDan at June 22, 2017 01:39 PM (yL25O)

233 I find just the name Southern POVERTY Law Center offensive. Poverty? WTF? Do they mean "black?" If so, then say so. I doubt very much that they give a rat's ass about poor white people, so let's have a modicum of intellectual honesty.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2017 01:39 PM (SRKgf)

234 According to CNN, a "source" says that 3 Republican senators will be voting against the new health care bill...
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 01:35 PM (7uYFy)

one is Rand Paul
Posted by: JoeF.

Then there is something squirrelly with it.
Rand may be obstructionist, but generally with good reason.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 01:39 PM (j+h+K)

235 If I were PDT, I'd announce I am withdrawing all bills to repeal Fredocare and since the Left is not interesting in negotiating, I willl just let it fail and implode.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 22, 2017 01:39 PM (5y11N)

236 just outrageous.

will a single rep denounce tis on the floor of the capitol? in the press? on tv?

they should hammer at this. it's important to raise a stink about it.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 22, 2017 01:40 PM (WTSFk)

237 Just think of the nuke we dodged in November.

Posted by: Mega at June 22, 2017 01:38 PM (AYoWs)

I've got one word of advice for you. Refrigerators!

Posted by: Dr. Jones at June 22, 2017 01:40 PM (JO9+V)

238 It's because I'm a terrible person.

I should be spanked.

*bounds off innocently*

Posted by: alexthechick - may grace abound at June 22, 2017 01:33 PM (mf5HN)

Wait! WAIT! Let me get my Extremely Luxurious Velvet-Lined Paddle of Discipline +3!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 22, 2017 01:40 PM (wB8Tg)

239 A few years ago, the Obama Administration inserted SPLC propaganda into the Coast Guard Civil Rights training curriculum.

I -- along with other attorneys -- formally complained that these "findings" of "extremism" were baseless and had no place in a civil rights program.

They basically were telling the Coast Guard who they should hate. It included groups affiliated with the Catholic Church because of their opposition to gay marriage. It also suggested that the Boy Scouts were an extremist group.

When I took my Civil Rights training in 2013, the SPLC crap was removed.

I think even the liberals could not defend the SPLC's propaganda any more.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 22, 2017 01:40 PM (4AVeu)

240 Then there is something squirrelly with it.
Rand may be obstructionist, but generally with good reason.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 01:39 PM (j+h+K)

Because AT BEST it is not repeal and only Fredocare light

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 22, 2017 01:40 PM (5y11N)

241 "the $$$$/corruption/influence peddling scandal - "

Hillary took over Bill's Foundation so she could pre-game her candidacy by illegally raising funds outside the FEC process. Most of this money was foreign, which is per se verboten.

It was used to bribe key D super-delegates so that they'd announce for Hillary before the primaries even started. This knocked out any legitimate contenders, because they couldn't raise money from Serious Donors with Hillary so far ahead when the race hadn't even started. Bernie remarkably emerged because he funded himself with small donations with his Children's Crusade. Biden could have been a contender, but Boss Obama ordered him to take a dive for the short end money.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 22, 2017 01:40 PM (+7/1f)

242 *flees*

*like the bad girl I am*
Posted by: alexthechick - here gutter gutter gutter at June 22, 2017 01:38 PM (mf5HN)

...

I thought you were a hazard to yourself and others if you run.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 22, 2017 01:41 PM (yL25O)

243 Dear Lord, I'm trying to read the Health Care Bill... I don't even know what language it's written in, sheesh. I think I need a math and law degree to even get through the first couple pages.

Posted by: spypeach at June 22, 2017 01:41 PM (ZuTnR)

244 208 According to CNN, a "source" says that 3 Republican senators will be voting against the new health care bill...
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 01:35 PM (7uYFy)

one is Rand Paul
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 01:35 PM (7uYFy)

Of course he is. Not saying he shouldn't but I'm betting his reasoning is found wanting.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 22, 2017 01:41 PM (9GhFt)

245
It took a Texas lawman three months to kill those two pieces of trash.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 22, 2017 01:38 PM (jhqr1)

I thought they were killed in Louisiana?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 22, 2017 01:41 PM (lKyWE)

246 Hodgkinson was a right wing terrorist. We have credible evidence that Scalise was wearing an Obama mask at the time of the shooting, and Hodgkinson couldn't tell the difference.

Posted by: F.B.I. at June 22, 2017 01:41 PM (xAvrH)

247 This, quite simply, all boils down to Obama saying five days before the election that he was going to fundamentally transform the United States of America. And the people said, "Hey, I'm down with that" and elected him.

Not too much need to scratch your head about what's going on in our institutions once you understand this.

Look around you. Half your fellow citizens are your enemies.

Posted by: LGoPs at June 22, 2017 01:42 PM (EWZTH)

248 Sessions must have been threatened by the deep state. It's the only logical conclusion I can come to at this point.

Posted by: Under Fire at June 22, 2017 01:42 PM (l4aLi)

249 Great cartoon. Says it all.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 22, 2017 01:42 PM (O5bec)

250 " If I were PDT, I'd announce I am withdrawing all bills to repeal Fredocare and since the Left is not interesting in negotiating, I willl just let it fail and implode."

I like and support this suggestion.

No...we don't need to cut it off.

In three days it will fall off on it's own

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2017 01:42 PM (J+eG2)

251 Of course he is. Not saying he shouldn't but I'm betting his reasoning is found wanting.
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 22, 2017 01:41 PM (9GhFt)

Yes, but his reasoning will be different than the other three. Probably Collins and two other libs...

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 01:42 PM (7uYFy)

252 *flees*

*like the bad girl I am*
Posted by: alexthechick - here gutter gutter gutter at June 22, 2017 01:38 PM (mf5HN)

Don't worry, folks. She won't flee far.

Posted by: The Invisible Puppies at June 22, 2017 01:43 PM (gIRsn)

253 dagny - a completely separate taffy-yank, to be sure, but I'd stand by "over-paid".

But my test would not be personal taste, bigotry, envy, or the other criteria which most people use in assessing the appropriateness of compensation for federal employees.

Just as with anything else - pay the least you can, and *still* get the people you need. Using that objective, and rational, and market-sensical standard, I'd bet a whole lot of people within WMAL's radio market could be paid a whole lot less and the US taxpayer would get the personnel it needs.

And this even ignores the perverse dynamic that gets you less and less properly motivated people, the better the compensation becomes (in public "service" jobs). Saw this, lived this, personally, so it's not rumor or theory.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2017 01:43 PM (QDnY+)

254 245
It took a Texas lawman three months to kill those two pieces of trash.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 22, 2017 01:38 PM (jhqr1)

I thought they were killed in Louisiana?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 22, 2017 01:41 PM (lKyWE)

===============================================

They were. The task force that killed them was a mix of Texas Rangers led by Frank Hamer (I think) and the local sheriff's dept.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 01:43 PM (Mfkgn)

255 It took a Texas lawman three months to kill those two pieces of trash.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 22, 2017 01:38 PM (jhqr1)

We are part hound dog.

Posted by: Sheriff Buford T. Justice at June 22, 2017 01:43 PM (JO9+V)

256 According to CNN, a "source" says that 3 Republican senators will be voting against the new health care bill...
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 01:35 PM (7uYFy)

one is Rand Paul
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 01:35 PM (7uYFy)

Of course he is. Not saying he shouldn't but I'm betting his reasoning is found wanting.
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 22, 2017 01:41 PM (9GhFt)

He reasoning is probably spot on and I don't usually support Rand, but more important, why do those Dopes in the Republivan leadership knowing full well there are at least 2-4 like Rand, include them in the negotiations so we do not look liike fuckin fools

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 22, 2017 01:44 PM (5y11N)

257 Dear Lord, I'm trying to read the Health Care Bill... I don't even know what language it's written in, sheesh. I think I need a math and law degree to even get through the first couple pages.

Posted by: spypeach

Just for the LULZ, the Republicans should select a random 200 pages out of Finnegan's Wake, present it to the Democrats and say, "this is the new healthcare bill".

Posted by: James Joyce at June 22, 2017 01:44 PM (xAvrH)

258 "Don't worry, folks. She won't flee far."

And it will be breathtaking to watch, as well.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2017 01:44 PM (J+eG2)

259 214 The Hodgkinson report is pretty prima facie evidence of complete incompetence by anyone in the FBI who even touched it.

They should all be promptly fired or demoted down to the lowest level possible if firing isn't an option.

Pitiful.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 22, 2017 01:36 PM (9q7Dl)

It's time we stopped calling it "incompetence" and started calling it out for what it is.

Evil.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 22, 2017 01:44 PM (CMbMd)

260
They were. The task force that killed them was a mix of Texas Rangers led by Frank Hamer (I think) and the local sheriff's dept.
Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 01:43 PM (Mfkgn)

Ah thanks

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 22, 2017 01:45 PM (lKyWE)

261 find just the name Southern POVERTY Law Center offensive. Poverty? WTF? Do they mean "black?" If so, then say so. I doubt very much that they give a rat's ass about poor white people, so let's have a modicum of intellectual honesty.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2017 01:39 PM (SRKgf)

Exactly. I always thought the same thing. They just strung buzz words together.
"Southern" and "Poverty?"--what's that, like "Sharecroppers" or something?

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 01:45 PM (7uYFy)

262 202 According to CNN, a "source" says that 3 Republican senators will be voting against the new health care bill...
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 01:35 PM (7uYFy)

I'm surprised the only claimed three.

Let's see. McCain, Graham, the remaining Maine twin, Murkowski. That's 4 right there. I don't have any faith in Portman either.

Posted by: buzzion at June 22, 2017 01:46 PM (z/Ubi)

263 I tried to warn you people.

Posted by: Fox Mulder at June 22, 2017 01:46 PM (7HtZB)

264 Have there been any sightings of Jeff Sessions?

Posted by: Tami at June 22, 2017 01:46 PM (Enq6K)

265
"Oregon joins states where roadkill can be harvested for food..."

I suggest any recipes from OregonMuse in the new recipe book be looked at with a jaundiced eye before, you know, you actually end up with a jaundiced eye.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at June 22, 2017 01:47 PM (PduNE)

266
264 Have there been any sightings of Jeff Sessions?

Posted by: Tami at June 22, 2017 01:46 PM (Enq6K)

I think he went to the bathroom in February

Posted by: CN at June 22, 2017 01:47 PM (2+tI4)

267 The Jeff Sessions is a very shy species that only rare sightings suggest even exists.Like Bigfoot.

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 01:47 PM (rmVvL)

268 264 Have there been any sightings of Jeff Sessions?
Posted by: Tami at June 22, 2017 01:46 PM (Enq6K)

He probably recused himself.

Sure must be nice to have a job where you can recuse yourself from all your responsibilities. Wonder how far it would fly with my boss if I tried that. "Sorry, I can't file that report by Monday. I've recused myself. Gonna have to find someone else to do it."

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 22, 2017 01:47 PM (KUaJL)

269 For anyone interested, there's a rundown of the Senate bill at the Conservative Treehouse: http://tinyurl.com/ycqlvyzz
Just keep Sundance's proclivities in mind...

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 01:47 PM (Mfkgn)

270
Let's see. McCain, Graham, the remaining Maine twin, Murkowski. That's 4 right there. I don't have any faith in Portman either.
Posted by: buzzion at June 22, 2017 01:46 PM (z/Ubi)

I guess it goes without saying that Trump won't be able to peel off a Democrat?
Man, they are like an iron ring....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 01:48 PM (7uYFy)

271 Plus we have recently learned that almost no one can reproduce the results of peer reviewed scientific papers. Can't even reproduce THEIR OWN RESULTS.

Depends critically on the field. Physics and chemistry results can generally be reproduced (qualitatively; sometimes authors cheer up yields), and if they can't, the papers are often retracted.

Biology, OTOH, is a nightmare, especially molecular biology:

"In 2012, Amgen researchers made headlines when they declared that they had been unable to reproduce the findings in 47 of 53 'landmark' cancer papers."

http://tinyurl.com/joz35y5

Anyone reading that literature can see the problems with poorly designed experiments, especially lack of proper positive and negative controls.

Check out http://retractionwatch.com/ Most of the retracted or otherwise dubious papers are in the biomedical arena.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2017 01:48 PM (SRKgf)

272 I thought they were killed in Louisiana?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 22, 2017 01:41 PM (lKyWE)

===============================================

They were. The task force that killed them was a mix of Texas
Rangers led by Frank Hamer (I think) and the local sheriff's dept.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 01:43 PM (Mfkgn)

I cut my teeth on that case.

Posted by: LA Sheriff J.W. Pepper at June 22, 2017 01:48 PM (JO9+V)

273 "I think he went to the bathroom in February"

Between EPA reporting requirements and paperwork, it could be a while.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2017 01:48 PM (J+eG2)

274 DC is a tribal culture that only recognizes Dems as chief (s). So - can anyone cite an example of a tribal culture truly changing its character? I got nuthin.

There are literally thousands of witnesses to these unethical and illegal activities - and none of them are saying a thing.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at June 22, 2017 01:48 PM (smDBI)

275 He reasoning is probably spot on and I don't usually
support Rand, but more important, why do those Dopes in the Republivan
leadership knowing full well there are at least 2-4 like Rand, include
them in the negotiations so we do not look liike fuckin fools Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 22, 2017 01:44 PM (5y11N)
=====

Paul, Lee, Cruz, and sometimes Cotton are probably the smartest of the Senate, so I'll wait to see their opinion. For politicians, whether I disagree or not, they are pretty upfront.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 22, 2017 01:48 PM (MIKMs)

276 Sure must be nice to have a job where you can recuse yourself from all your responsibilities.
=======

And be compensated quite handsomely for it.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at June 22, 2017 01:48 PM (vg8iE)

277 "Oregon joins states where roadkill can be harvested for food..."

Hipsters are all skin and bone.

Posted by: Under Fire at June 22, 2017 01:49 PM (l4aLi)

278 HIllary says Tiger Wood's drug problem cost her the election.

Tiger Woods says that the thought of Hillary becoming Prez drove him to drugs.

Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at June 22, 2017 01:49 PM (e8kgV)

279
Posted by: TexasDan at June 22, 2017 01:39 PM (yL25O)

But, but, but, TD, peer review is the unobtainium standard above all others!

Corruption is the fifth and most pervasive state of matter.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2017 01:49 PM (pNxlR)

280 They were. The task force that killed them was a mix of Texas
Rangers led by Frank Hamer (I think) and the local sheriff's dept.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 01:43 PM (Mfkgn)

C'mon that wasn't good police work. that was a complete ambush....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 01:49 PM (7uYFy)

281 I thought they were killed in Louisiana?

Correct. Deep in a piney forest in Louisiana.

Frank Hamer was commissioned as an officer of the Texas Highway Patrol by Gov Ferguson of Texas when he was recruited by her to hunt down the Barrow gang.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 22, 2017 01:49 PM (jhqr1)

282 Tape that fuckin VHS tho and they'll show you a targeted crime

Posted by: Amy Schooner at June 22, 2017 01:49 PM (AYoWs)

283 nood

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 22, 2017 01:49 PM (ZQfW9)

284 Even if we could get back to provable methodologies for forensics, how do we ever trust an institution to be reliable at performing those tests in the future?

Posted by: TexasDan at June 22, 2017 01:39 PM (yL25O)

That's amazing that they finally tracked down what it was.

I don't know the answer to that and it's something about which I worry. It's turning out that so many studies aren't replicable, and I'm talking hard sciences, the soft "sciences" are an utter loss, that it's nearly impossible to give credence to any study. That's without the matter of falsification.

It's been revealed in the depositions for the cases against Monsanto on the Roundup cancer claims that the researcher who made the claim ignored his own data and results because he didn't like the results.

This is why reliance on credentialism and expertise is being eroded. Why should I believe what my doctor says when the studies on which she relies are false, intentionally or not? Hell, take nutrition. It's becoming more and more clear that this decades long eat carbs not fat push has been a brutal failure. Why the hell should I believe what people are saying now?

Posted by: alexthechick - here gutter gutter gutter at June 22, 2017 01:50 PM (mf5HN)

285 [i234 According to CNN, a "source" says that 3 Republican senators will be voting against the new health care bill...
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 01:35 PM (7uYFy)

one is Rand Paul
Posted by: JoeF.

Then there is something squirrelly with it.
Rand may be obstructionist, but generally with good reason.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 01:39 PM (j+h+K)

Rand will vote against because it doesn't go far enough. There are plenty that will go against because they are democrat sycophants.

Posted by: buzzion at June 22, 2017 01:50 PM (z/Ubi)

286 264 Have there been any sightings of Jeff Sessions?
Posted by: Tami at June 22, 2017 01:46 PM (Enq6K)

He's in witness protection.

I hope he's working on delivering some blockbuster indictments, but I'm starting to worry.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2017 01:50 PM (SRKgf)

287 "Oregon joins states where roadkill can be harvested for food..."

I can see that. Especially if you killed it.
In Texas, if you hit a deer and it dies, you don't get to keep it.
Fuck that shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 01:50 PM (j+h+K)

288 233 I find just the name Southern POVERTY Law Center offensive. Poverty? WTF? Do they mean "black?" If so, then say so. I doubt very much that they give a rat's ass about poor white people, so let's have a modicum of intellectual honesty.
____________________

Yes, they do mean black.

As lawyers who have quit the place in disgust have explained, SPLC exists "to make money off black pain and white guilt."

It is run by an old Alabama white guy, Morris Dees. He is a trial lawyer, but spent years working as a marketing agent in the publishing industry. He is supposed to something of a wizard when it comes to direct-mail solicitations. He uses his mailings to gin up racial outrage and generate cash.

The people the SPLC supposedly helps get next to nothing, but all the SPLC executives live large.

As I mentioned in a comment above, the BBB audited SPLC and it failed the audit, because it spends 90% of its income on fund-raising and administrative costs. Also, Charity Navigator rates SPLC as a "poor" choice for a charitable contribution.

Anybody who donates money to SPLC is basically just funding Morris Dees' and his buddies' comfy lifestyles.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 22, 2017 01:51 PM (nS5LK)

289 And so ... once again ... Republicans stand around wondering why in the Hell the Good Guys to whom so much money and power were given suddenly started doing Bad Things.

But it won't stop 'em from authorizing more MRAPs to various LE agencies. Won't stop 'em from paying for another Data Center to store more and more surveillance. Because the next bunch of Good Guys will get it right.

Here's a fucking hint ... don't want to live in a Police State ? Then stop giving Police all the tools of State. There are no Good Guys.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 22, 2017 01:52 PM (a94gW)

290 Just for the LULZ, the Republicans should select a random 200 pages out of Finnegan's Wake, present it to the Democrats and say, "this is the new healthcare bill".
Posted by: James Joyce at June 22, 2017 01:44 PM (xAvrH)

================================================

You want LULZ? Throw in "Hamlet" in the original Klingon!
"taH pagh taHbe'!"

Posted by: Wil'yam Shex'pir at June 22, 2017 01:52 PM (Mfkgn)

291
Let's see. McCain, Graham, the remaining Maine twin, Murkowski. That's 4 right there. I don't have any faith in Portman either.

If federal subsidies to insurance companies are preserved, look for Rand Paul to have issues with it, too.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2017 01:52 PM (pNxlR)

292 Check out http://retractionwatch.com/ Most of the retracted or otherwise dubious papers are in the biomedical arena.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2017 01:48 PM (SRKgf)

..

Yep, and my dad was in biochemistry.

I don't think anyone really has questions about the repeatability of creating an aqueous solution of sodium chloride.

Where the distinction needs to be made is between those parts of scientific endeavor that stand on that sort of foundation, and those that simply have too many variables to be given even a 50% confidence factor.

But there's no way to control the economies of the world if climate science is not capital S SCIENCE, so we will never get there.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 22, 2017 01:53 PM (yL25O)

293 287
"Oregon joins states where roadkill can be harvested for food..."

I can see that. Especially if you killed it.

In Texas, if you hit a deer and it dies, you don't get to keep it.

Fuck that shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 01:50 PM (j+h+K)

Should be able to keep it. You are paying for it -- in vehicle repair bills. Might as well get a good meal out of it - even if it has been tenderized.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 22, 2017 01:53 PM (jxbfJ)

294 Why do they even pretend anymore? Why don't they just come out and say they aren't interested in investigating Demotards?

Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at June 22, 2017 01:53 PM (khYik)

295 Paul has moved closer towards his father's political positions every year he's been in office.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 22, 2017 01:54 PM (9GhFt)

296 According to CNN, a "source" says that.....

Whatever comes next is bullshit.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 22, 2017 01:54 PM (npdX6)

297 First the former Homeland Security Secretary, Jeh Johnson, testified to Congress that the reason his department didn't open up to the public about Russia's interference in our 2016 election was because it would vindicate Donald Trump. Then Intelligence Committee member Rep. Jackie Speier (D-CA) told CNN, "I can say that by virtue of Donald Trump saying the election is rigged, the election is rigged, that it had a chilling effect on the Department of Homeland Security and the administration in general from acting as swiftly as it should have. Whether it would change the election, I don't know." So now Democrats are not only blaming President Trump for their own Administration not publicizing Russian interference sooner, but they're saying Trump should've relented about hacking because they could have fed the information to Hillary and she could've won.

Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at June 22, 2017 01:54 PM (e8kgV)

298
I cut my teeth on that case.

Posted by: LA Sheriff J.W. Pepper
____________________________

Yes you did. I remember it well...

Posted by: Brian Williams at June 22, 2017 01:56 PM (j/Mlu)

299 new thread, if no one said so already: about the health care bill

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 22, 2017 01:56 PM (ILitO)

300 295 Paul has moved closer towards his father's political positions every year he's been in office.
Posted by: Jack Sock

good lord. all he has done since he's been there is be a reliable constitutionalist.

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 22, 2017 01:56 PM (nFwvY)

301
I hope he's working on delivering some blockbuster indictments, but I'm starting to worry.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2017 01:50 PM (SRKgf)

You and me both. I'm starting to think he's a bit too 'southern gentleman' for that position.

Posted by: Tami at June 22, 2017 01:57 PM (Enq6K)

302 This is why reliance on credentialism and expertise is being eroded. Why should I believe what my doctor says when the studies on which she relies are false, intentionally or not? Hell, take nutrition. It's becoming more and more clear that this decades long eat carbs not fat push has been a brutal failure. Why the hell should I believe what people are saying now?
Posted by: alexthechick - here gutter gutter gutter at June 22, 2017 01:50 PM (mf5HN)

...

Not to make all my posts about my dad, but he was credited with expert testimony that saved the firm where he worked during the silicone implant lawsuits.

Because he was a scientist, and specifically did human trials because his firm made implants, he was able to dissect the methodologies of the firm that was suing them.

But yeah, it's a mad mad world out there and nothing is more assailable than having Settled Science on your side.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 22, 2017 01:57 PM (yL25O)

303 isn't it about time that some rich Conservative uses their cash to perhaps fund an investigation into SPLC? They have to have skeletons somewhere. Tax liabilities, crimes, fraud, something. Or find a way to successfully sue them like what happened to Gawker...

Posted by: Juddgement at June 22, 2017 01:58 PM (bo9p5)

304 A bit of SPLC schadenfreude from a few years ago.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/pahbc4n

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 22, 2017 02:00 PM (xAvrH)

305
Paul, Lee, Cruz, and sometimes Cotton are
probably the smartest of the Senate, so I'll wait to see their opinion.
For politicians, whether I disagree or not, they are pretty upfront.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 22, 2017 01:48 PM (MIKMs)
All three of them are initially unhappy with teh repeal. I forget the fourth one.They listed them on FBN...

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 22, 2017 02:00 PM (8iiMU)

306 "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
Which is fancypants speak for all power will be abused, so thank God for limited government, or pray to God should that ever go away.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 22, 2017 02:01 PM (QtQaN)

307 9
So when he asked if it were Republicans or Democrats at the field and had a hit list of names in his car he just did and had that for no reason at all.
Posted by: TheQuietMan

Why would Hodgkinson ask if it were Democrats or Republicans on the field unless he knew it were one or the other or had information it was Republicans but wanted to be sure. Wouldn't it be just as likely that it was Bob's Hardware store beer league team? Calling BS on this. Where's Ephram Zimbalist Jr. when we need him?

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 22, 2017 02:02 PM (kfcYC)

308 just as Allahu Akbar means nothing, so goes with the baseball attempted murderer.

Posted by: arbitrary turn back at June 22, 2017 02:04 PM (8RQER)

309 Federal Bureau of Matters = Obama's legacy

Posted by: arbitrary turn back at June 22, 2017 02:05 PM (8RQER)

310 The FBI's only excuse would be if they were getting ready to round up some co-conspirators and don't want them to rabbit at least until the FBI covers up the evidence that the DNC and/or Clinton's were involved, and then they won't have to.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 22, 2017 02:05 PM (kfcYC)

311 Get the names of any politicized agent and assign them to missing persons (except Eric Braverman), doing inventory or investigating counterfeit Gucci handbags. This is bullshit.

Posted by: oddnot is fed up at June 22, 2017 02:07 PM (g1MTt)

312 Fire them all...

Posted by: It's me donna at June 22, 2017 02:09 PM (O2RFr)

313 Fire them all...

Like, from a cannon...?

Posted by: Hillary! at June 22, 2017 02:11 PM (oVJmc)

314 Heard a guy on the radio last week. He was saying that Trump was amply warned not to appoint Sessions. From what this guy is saying Sessions cares more about looking like a pastor, than he does about getting down in the mud and fighting things out.

Posted by: Axeman at June 22, 2017 02:25 PM (2mC6G)

315 As fate would have it, I'm in the middle of a 30-day on call status for federal jury duty.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at June 22, 2017 02:36 PM (/hqAe)

316 This is pure BS. Regardless of the the other convincing evidence if he hadn't selected targets that would mean he was just shooting at people randomly. What are the chances he'd just happen to shoot the Republican Majority Whip firing 60 shots at random people in a city with a population of 155,000?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 22, 2017 03:01 PM (eK0pE)

317 Clearly this was targeted, and to suggest otherwise is malfeasance of the highest order.

First off - I'm going through the 12 steps, and step 9 compels me to apologize for a lot of the crap I used to post. I used to post as flashoverride. Not only have I started down the path of quitting drinking, but in the intervening period I've left the Islamic "faith". So I would like to apologize to all the posters here who I've gone completely outside the rules of decorum on. I wish I could remember everything but there was a lot of drunken late night rage posting.

I've come to understand that my anger was wrong, and what I said was wrong, and that I was wrong in a lot of things. I have started really trying to be a better husband and father.

That being said, when I see this kind of stuff from the FBI, it really does not help.

Posted by: trendingdown at June 22, 2017 03:25 PM (C0NKJ)

318 Distrust of the fbi:
Ted.
Stevens.

Posted by: jb at June 22, 2017 03:48 PM (ytxPD)

319 I read that he visited Sander's office within days of trying to kill GOP Congressmen. Now, maybe he just took a selfie and did not meet with anyone. Fool me once...

However, to see photos of the ballpark, to basically stalk the ballpark, to have a list of six GOP Congressmen, and to google the GOP the morning of attack, well.

Disband the entire FB of Matters to the studs.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen, is tired of dis at June 22, 2017 03:54 PM (J5mzk)

320 41 Of all the shit going on recently, this one is perhaps the most chilling to me.

No idea how we can crawl out of this shit-storm intact.

No sh*t. I hate sounding defeatist, but with the total politicization of the CIA, DHS, State Dept., DOD, IRS, DOJ, FBI, etc., how does Trump actually make a dent in any of it?

Posted by: Former MSM journalist, active Moron at June 22, 2017 04:03 PM (fJuD+)

321 "289 And so ... once again ... Republicans stand around wondering why in the Hell the Good Guys to whom so much money and power were given suddenly started doing Bad Things.

But it won't stop 'em from authorizing more MRAPs to various LE agencies. Won't stop 'em from paying for another Data Center to store more and more surveillance. Because the next bunch of Good Guys will get it right.

Here's a fucking hint ... don't want to live in a Police State ? Then stop giving Police all the tools of State. There are no Good Guys."

Who was it who said of the Patriot Act, "Don't give John Ashcroft any power you wouldn't want Janet Reno to have"? Smart dude. Too bad nobody listened.

Posted by: Former MSM journalist, active Moron at June 22, 2017 04:11 PM (fJuD+)

322 "I don't think I'll ever trust the FBI again, and would be very skeptical
of any case they made, were I sitting on a federal jury."

I am right there with you. It is just as corrupt and politicized as the democrat party. Drain the swamp Mr. Trump!

http://tinyurl.com/y87bj972

Posted by: Locke Common at June 22, 2017 04:29 PM (zSXXo)

323 The NYT has printed lots of information detrimental to the interests of the United States.

Posted by: torabora at June 22, 2017 05:52 PM (Xmx1l)

324 Obama commie just following the plan. Communist goal number 35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

Posted by: Timajin at June 22, 2017 08:12 PM (Axg8n)

325 He hated baseball players...and cans!

Posted by: Navin Johnson at June 23, 2017 05:08 AM (HAWZY)

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