Reach Out And Touch Someone: Longest Confirmed Sniper Shot In History

The ballistic calculations are impressive, but observation of the conditions across two miles of space plays a huge part. And all of this while in combat. Canadian special forces sniper kills an ISIS fighter from TWO MILES away in the longest confirmed kill shot in history
And I love the touchy-feely euphemism for killed: "disrupted!"

It must be a tremendously demoralizing circumstance when every now and then somebody around you gets shot, and you have no idea where the bullet came from, and probably didn't even hear it.

Posted by: CBD at 11:45 AM

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1 Great new thread! I spotted the sniper in the last one.

Posted by: jayhawkone at June 22, 2017 11:35 AM (ZD+J8)

2
I'm a giver!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2017 11:36 AM (pNxlR)

3
Took one for the team!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2017 11:36 AM (pNxlR)

4 Damn those Canucks can shoot.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2017 11:36 AM (0mRoj)

5 The Canadians do it with American rifles and ammunition though.

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 11:37 AM (rmVvL)

6
Can't say I didn't tell 'em!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2017 11:37 AM (pNxlR)

7 One of these days, I'm going to get a lesson from Weasel on how to do these long range shots.

Posted by: no good deed at June 22, 2017 11:37 AM (hsb2w)

8 He shoots-HE SCORES!

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 22, 2017 11:37 AM (s/EUv)

9 .50BMG - when you care enough to send the very best

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 22, 2017 11:38 AM (jxbfJ)

10 Are they available to go to Gettysburg on July 1?

Posted by: bicentennialguy at June 22, 2017 11:38 AM (vg8iE)

11 Meh, Canucks took long shots because they were afraid to get closer.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2017 11:38 AM (TOk1P)

12 Can't even imagine being able to shoot someone from TWO MILES AWAY.

Just friggin' awesome.

Posted by: Country Boy at June 22, 2017 11:38 AM (Jcg9Q)

13 Amazing.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 22, 2017 11:38 AM (PFy0L)

14 ALLAHU AKB

Posted by: General Zod at June 22, 2017 11:38 AM (Bdeb0)

15 Bang!

Posted by: Love Gun at June 22, 2017 11:38 AM (no0Da)

16 It must be a tremendously demoralizing circumstance when every now and then somebody around you gets shot, and you have no idea where the bullet came from, and probably didn't even hear it.

Abu! Abu! WTF?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 11:39 AM (j+h+K)

17 I don't know it it's true but the US doesn't confirm Kills after so many feet as to not let the enemy know the Max range.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 22, 2017 11:39 AM (dKiJG)

18 Yeah two miles, that's not even skill any longer. There's no possible way you can account for all the variations and conditions over that distance.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 11:39 AM (39g3+)

19 NICE!

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2017 11:39 AM (NOIQH)

20 Geez, that is quite the shot. I can't believe what great shots these guys are. That is far.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 22, 2017 11:39 AM (Ri/rl)

21 I know it's a file photo, but it seems to suggest that the Canadian snipers are using suppressed weapons.

So...yeh, two miles away?

Silent death on the wings of lead poisoning.

My brain can not even grasp the skill a shot like that requires.

Nor the inherent accuracy of the weapon, and the round used.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2017 11:39 AM (J+eG2)

22 How long does it take a .50 cal bullet to arrive at a target 2 miles away?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 22, 2017 11:39 AM (AmNTJ)

23
Two miles.

Thats insane.

Im betting 50 BMG. Hand loaded match cartridges, top notch optics.

Then EVERYTHING becomes a factor, wind shifts, temperature, humidity, altitude, even the earths rotation. Even gravity. The influence of gravity is different on some parts of the globe that others.

Helluva shot.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 22, 2017 11:40 AM (8XRCm)

24 So Abdul and I were just walking along, you know talking weather and women and mutant sheep babies, and all of a sudden, just like that, his head exploded. It was the damndest thing.

Posted by: Achmed at June 22, 2017 11:40 AM (MdC1o)

25
"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..."

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2017 11:40 AM (pNxlR)

26 It must be a tremendously demoralizing circumstance when every now and then somebody around you gets shot, and you have no idea where the bullet came from, and probably didn't even hear it.

This made me think of the Werner Herzog movie "Aguirre-The Wrath of God", where one by one, Klaus Kinski and his men fall victim to arrows from the jungle that they never saw or heard.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 22, 2017 11:40 AM (s/EUv)

27 Sniping is nothing. In "Hurt Locker," a couple EOD techs just pick up a Barrett rifle and grease an AQI guy at distance no problem. Just like in real life.

Posted by: General Zod at June 22, 2017 11:40 AM (Bdeb0)

28 That's over two miles. So impressive.

And, what's with the pink in the sidebar 'o shame?

Posted by: bluebell - Bon appetit! at June 22, 2017 11:40 AM (sBOL1)

29 >>It must be a tremendously demoralizing circumstance when every now and
then somebody around you gets shot, and you have no idea where the
bullet came from, and probably didn't even hear it.

I'm pretty damn demoralizing, too!
But I'm all for diversity of ISIS kills.

Posted by: MOAB at June 22, 2017 11:40 AM (NOIQH)

30 That's a 2 mile cylinder of "air" that wanted him dead.

Posted by: DaveA at June 22, 2017 11:40 AM (FhXTo)

31 22 How long does it take a .50 cal bullet to arrive at a target 2 miles away?
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 22, 2017 11:39 AM (AmNTJ)

I think I read it was about a 10 second flight time.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2017 11:40 AM (0mRoj)

32 How long does it take a .50 cal bullet to arrive at a target 2 miles away?
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 22, 2017 11:39 AM (AmNTJ)

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10 seconds if it stays hypersonic.... which it should.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 22, 2017 11:40 AM (8XRCm)

33 The biggest news to me here is that Trudeau's Canada has combat soldiers in Iraq.

Posted by: mark1971 at June 22, 2017 11:40 AM (xPl2J)

34 The shooter had to consider wind, temp, humidity, elevation and ..... wait for it ..... the rotation of the planet. All of those LD shots are a combination of talent and science. Awsome job by the shooter.

Posted by: Tireless at June 22, 2017 11:40 AM (p79pO)

35 Whoops. o'

Posted by: bluebell - Bon appetit! at June 22, 2017 11:40 AM (sBOL1)

36 1 Great new thread! I spotted the sniper in the last one.
Posted by: jayhawkone at June 22, 2017 11:35 AM (ZD+J

I find that hard to believe, he was at least 2 threads away!

Posted by: Don Q. at June 22, 2017 11:41 AM (NgKpN)

37 Two miles is undeniably incredible but the best shot ever may well be Christina Hoff Sommers nailing the entire Hollywood establishment from her keyboard.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/06/why-ossoff-lost.php

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at June 22, 2017 11:41 AM (ylUqT)

38 There's no possible way you can account for all the variations and conditions over that distance.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 11:39 AM (39g3+)

Oh, I doubt they make many of these shots. But they are wonderfully skilled soldiers, and they succeed a lot more than I would.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 22, 2017 11:41 AM (wYseH)

39 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMillan_Tac-50

Tag, you it.

Posted by: IP at June 22, 2017 11:42 AM (MdC1o)

40 The third longest kill was by Canadian Corporal Rob Furlong,

True, but he got most of his kills at 1/8th of a mile.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 22, 2017 11:42 AM (gIRsn)

41 21
My brain can not even grasp the skill a shot like that requires.

The insurgent's brain grasped it just fine.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 22, 2017 11:42 AM (jxbfJ)

42
So that's all the illegal wars are to you, hun, you cis-normative vagina grabbers?

A shooting range so you can exercise your penis replacement guns with things that go up.

Poor indigenous people are just your shooting gallery targets!

Posted by: SJW, 'Triggered' at June 22, 2017 11:42 AM (OZmbA)

43 And, what's with the pink in the sidebar 'o shame?

Posted by: bluebell - Bon appetit! at June 22, 2017 11:40 AM (sBOL1)

A reminder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsW9MlYu31g

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 22, 2017 11:42 AM (wYseH)

44 Oh, I doubt they make many of these shots.

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Im guessing that kill was "walked in" at two miles.

If that was a one shot, cold bore kill ... that would be legend.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 22, 2017 11:42 AM (8XRCm)

45 "The shooter had to consider wind, temp, humidity, elevation and ..... wait for it ..... the rotation of the planet"

And somewhere...a butterfly farts.

Even impacting an airborne insect could cause a miss at that range.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2017 11:43 AM (J+eG2)

46 would loved to have been first in this thread!

TEN seconds of flight time! That is like YEARS in Ballistics time.

and yes, in a shot that long, there is some luck involved relative to conditions like zero wind, etcetera..

Posted by: USMC8541 One Shot to Slay them All at June 22, 2017 11:43 AM (NmR1a)

47 One of these days, I'm going to get a lesson from Weasel on how to do these long range shots.
Posted by: no good deed at June 22, 2017 11:37 AM (hsb2w)
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He's on his way to a match today. How he does that 1000-yard thing is just beyond me.

Posted by: bluebell - Bon appetit! at June 22, 2017 11:43 AM (sBOL1)

48 It must be a tremendously demoralizing circumstance when every now and then somebody around you gets shot, and you have no idea where the bullet came from, and probably didn't even hear it.
*
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The survivor would probably hear the shot a second or two later, right? The dead guy, well, he doesn't care any more.

"I woke up still not dead again today . . .
"The Internet said I had passed away.
"But if I did, I wasn't there to stay --
"I woke up still not dead again today!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 22, 2017 11:43 AM (LeI1X)

49 So, ten seconds without a suppressor would be more sporting. His spotter's instructions:

"Put it right where Ramzi al-Kaboom's head will be after he hears the shot, ducks, stays ducked a couple seconds, mutters "Huh. Backfire, maybe," and stands up."

Posted by: General Zod at June 22, 2017 11:43 AM (Bdeb0)

50 I've seen footage of a rooftop in what looked like Iraq, guys on the roof, one pops up with a rifle to take a shot and bam, takes one in the head, drops.

Probably a movie, too. But the reaction of the others is mostly confusion and surprise.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 11:43 AM (39g3+)

51 This is what kills me about our activity in the MS: if we could just unleash our military from all of the restrictive ROA and let them to - to use a current term - annihilate them, we could wipe ISIS off the map.

Which is no doubt why they've been busy getting their jihadis embedded in western countries like bedbugs.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2017 11:43 AM (NOIQH)

52 A shot like that is a mix of skill and sorcery.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2017 11:43 AM (0mRoj)

53 Since he's Canadian, it's a 3.22 KM kill shot.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 22, 2017 11:43 AM (s/EUv)

54
Oh, I doubt they make many of these shots. But they are wonderfully skilled soldiers, and they succeed a lot more than I would.

Even taking fire from an unknown source is enough to raise your blood pressure.

Their skill is not to be minimized, agreed.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 22, 2017 11:44 AM (PFy0L)

55 Can we get some sneaky throat slitting while they sleep....up-close and personal?

Posted by: BignJames at June 22, 2017 11:44 AM (x9c8r)

56 My boy, also a sniper, thinks this is pretty incredible.

Posted by: LASue, so deplorable I should be indicted! at June 22, 2017 11:44 AM (hZ+us)

57 It's one thing to shoot your enemies in the head, but demoralizing them at the same seems to be over-the-line.

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at June 22, 2017 11:44 AM (HqpV0)

58 "Got him, eh."

Posted by: General Zod at June 22, 2017 11:45 AM (Bdeb0)

59 Damn near howitzer trajectory I reckon.

Posted by: Love Gun at June 22, 2017 11:45 AM (no0Da)

60 Piker.

Posted by: Agent Gibbs at June 22, 2017 11:45 AM (l4aLi)

61 A reminder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsW9MlYu31g
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 22, 2017 11:42 AM (wYseH)
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https://youtu.be/F1xAUfdK9FE

Posted by: bluebell - Bon appetit! at June 22, 2017 11:45 AM (sBOL1)

62 Oh, good luck to Weasel then. Hope he gives that target hell.

Posted by: no good deed at June 22, 2017 11:46 AM (hsb2w)

63 55 Can we get some sneaky throat slitting while they sleep....up-close and personal?

Posted by: BignJames at June 22, 2017 11:44 AM (x9c8r)

You rang?

Posted by: The Ghurka's at June 22, 2017 11:47 AM (l4aLi)

64 Joe Kidd made a similar shot.

No but when I saw the movie as a kid I liked that they showed the bad guy shooting and you saw the smoke but don't hear the bang until a few seconds later.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 22, 2017 11:47 AM (9GhFt)

65 I count five snipers.

Posted by: rickl at June 22, 2017 11:47 AM (xjiRE)

66 10 seconds if it stays hypersonic.... which it should.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 22, 2017 11:40 AM (8XRCm)

Wow. So the target has to remain stationary for TEN seconds in order for the kill shot to succeed? I don't see how that's possible unless he's asleep.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 22, 2017 11:47 AM (AmNTJ)

67 >>10 seconds if it stays hypersonic.... which it should.

That's an eternity. Wow.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2017 11:47 AM (NOIQH)

68
Thing was though, he thought he was shooting at a moose.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 22, 2017 11:47 AM (r+sAi)

69 With a .50BMG, with all the energy the bullet had combined with the pressure behind the projectile, doubt there was much left above the waist to bury.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 22, 2017 11:47 AM (jxbfJ)

70 Canadian special forces

Canada has thpecial forces? I'm impressed. What would be interesting is, which nation has the most confirmed sniper kills?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 22, 2017 11:48 AM (xAvrH)

71 So, ten seconds without a suppressor would be more sporting. His spotter's instructions:

"Put it right where Ramzi al-Kaboom's head will be after he hears the shot, ducks, stays ducked a couple seconds, mutters "Huh. Backfire, maybe," and stands up."

Posted by: General Zod

At two miles+ you'd never hear it. Suppressed or not.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 11:48 AM (j+h+K)

72 42
So that's all the illegal wars are to you, hun, you cis-normative vagina grabbers?

A shooting range so you can exercise your penis replacement guns with things that go up.

Poor indigenous people are just your shooting gallery targets!
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You say tomato, I say tomahto.

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at June 22, 2017 11:48 AM (WbIxA)

73

SMACK, gurgle, sigh...

(10 seconds)

Distant thunder...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at June 22, 2017 11:48 AM (fcU1Y)

74 My wife read this story and expressed interest in long rang shooting. She has declined to step up to the line at the range, now she reads this and wants to shoot. any recommendations? I'm thinking 204 ruger or 243 for longer range accuracy and lighter recoil. we have a 17hmr to get her started. great shooting guys keep up the good work. and stop em good when they don't expect it.

Posted by: USNtakim at June 22, 2017 11:48 AM (zZWkn)

75 http://www.shooterscalculator.com

This tells me that the round is not hypersonic when it hits at 2.14 miles.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 22, 2017 11:49 AM (wYseH)

76

Wow. So the target has to remain stationary for TEN seconds in order for the kill shot to succeed? I don't see how that's possible unless he's asleep.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 22, 2017 11:47 AM (AmNTJ)

Not necessarily. Leading someone walking directly toward the sniper or away from him comes to mind.

But I have never done it, so I may be wrong.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2017 11:49 AM (pNxlR)

77 10 seconds. That's enough time for a quick good-luck fap.

Posted by: Dang at June 22, 2017 11:49 AM (8b+oT)

78 No matter the distance... I'd hit it! Haw!

Posted by: Bill in Chappaqua at June 22, 2017 11:49 AM (FZbRo)

79 I don't know it it's true but the US doesn't confirm Kills after so many feet as to not let the enemy know the Max range.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 22, 2017 11:39 AM (dKiJG)

We can kill you - and a whole lot of your friends - from Kansas.

Just food for thought.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Carries ACME Products for Our Democrat Customers! at June 22, 2017 11:49 AM (hLRSq)

80 We haven't heard in a while about the rifle munition that can hit its target located behind a wall. Going up and over and then explode. Must not work as advertised.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 22, 2017 11:49 AM (9GhFt)

81 Wait, we only have fifth place? We cannot allow this sniper gap to stand!

Posted by: Bonesaw at June 22, 2017 11:49 AM (AM1GF)

82 I would think that when you are sniping across two miles you just take the shot. If you hit woo-hoo. If you miss, no one cares.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 22, 2017 11:49 AM (QQ+il)

83 No but when I saw the movie as a kid I liked that they showed the bad guy shooting and you saw the smoke but don't hear the bang until a few seconds later.

One of the best scenes in Quigley Down Under is like that. Guys on the porch, one just dies suddenly. Everyone is standing around confused, then you hear this distant boooommmm...

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 11:50 AM (39g3+)

84 now she reads this and wants to shoot. any recommendations?

Keep any evidence of your mistress extremely well hidden.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 22, 2017 11:50 AM (gIRsn)

85 This guy ain't Dudley Do Right.

Posted by: Under Fire at June 22, 2017 11:50 AM (l4aLi)

86 Off, faker-than-usual-rassler sock.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 22, 2017 11:50 AM (AM1GF)

87 My wife read this story and expressed interest in long rang shooting. She has declined to step up to the line at the range, now she reads this and wants to shoot. any recommendations? I'm thinking 204 ruger or 243 for longer range accuracy and lighter recoil. we have a 17hmr to get her started. great shooting guys keep up the good work. and stop em good when they don't expect it.
Posted by: USNtakim at June 22, 2017 11:48 AM (zZWkn)
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Weasel is your huckleberry on this stuff. Next you see him, ask him. He'll only be in and out for the next few days, I think.

Posted by: bluebell - Bon appetit! at June 22, 2017 11:50 AM (sBOL1)

88 53 Since he's Canadian, it's a 3.22 KM kill shot, eh?
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 22, 2017 11:43 AM (s/EUv)

Fixed.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 22, 2017 11:50 AM (AmNTJ)

89

Sniper? Never hea...

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at June 22, 2017 11:50 AM (fcU1Y)

90 Anybody know of a place to stay in Gettysburg? Prefer somewhere not to close, two miles would be good.

Posted by: S. Niper in Toronto at June 22, 2017 11:51 AM (MdC1o)

91 It's too bad redc1c4 is a night hawk. He was posting some stuff about computer guidance systems on the ONT that took into account barometric pressure, windspeed, etc. in order to inform the sniper how best to shoot. I'm guessing that's what's involved.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 22, 2017 11:51 AM (xAvrH)

92 81 Wait, we only have fifth place? We cannot allow this sniper gap to stand!

Posted by: Bonesaw at June 22, 2017 11:49 AM (AM1GF)

I'm working on that. Adapt. Overcome....all that.

Posted by: Gunny Highway at June 22, 2017 11:51 AM (l4aLi)

93 81 Wait, we only have fifth place? We cannot allow this sniper gap to stand!
Posted by: Bonesaw at June 22, 2017 11:49 AM (AM1GF)

Well.... if there is no limit to the caliber of weapon which can be used?

/fondly remembers watching the USS New Jersey fire in Lebanon in 83....

Posted by: Don Q. at June 22, 2017 11:52 AM (NgKpN)

94 11 Meh, Canucks took long shots because they were afraid to get closer.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2017 11:38 AM (TOk1P)

And then afterwards, they apologized and sent a sympathy card.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 22, 2017 11:52 AM (AmNTJ)

95
Not for real, of course, but Gus McCrae gut shooting the long rifle guy dancing and mocking him from "beyond his range" is a most satisfying moment in Lonesome Dove.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2017 11:52 AM (pNxlR)

96 My wife read this story and expressed interest in long rang shooting. She has declined to step up to the line at the range, now she reads this and wants to shoot. any recommendations? I'm thinking 204 ruger or 243 for longer range accuracy and lighter recoil. we have a 17hmr to get her started.

.338 Lapua

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 11:52 AM (j+h+K)

97 Ugh ... the snipper got me ... but I still survived.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at June 22, 2017 11:52 AM (xAvrH)

98 I'm thinking 204 ruger or 243 for longer range accuracy and lighter recoil. we have a 17hmr to get her started. great shooting guys keep up the good work. and stop em good when they don't expect it.

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243 Bolt with lighter bullets will do nicely.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 22, 2017 11:53 AM (8XRCm)

99 So what does the target look like through a scope that far away? Is it close up? Like head shot in the scope? And how the hell do you find it initially? I have trouble finding a bird in a tree with my binocs. amazing.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 22, 2017 11:53 AM (7iUYS)

100 I remember this one time in Bosnia...

Posted by: HILLARY!!! at June 22, 2017 11:53 AM (8b+oT)

101 And I'm happy to hit the 10 from 10 meters

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 22, 2017 11:53 AM (wfDW1)

102 The super high end scopes these days are insane, they even account for weather information. Computer enhancement, etc.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 11:54 AM (39g3+)

103 No matter the distance... I'd hit it! Haw!

Posted by: Bill in Chappaqua

I envy you. My range is one theatre seat.

Posted by: Pee Wee Herman at June 22, 2017 11:54 AM (xAvrH)

104 I hope our boys are making up in volume what they seem to lack in distance.

Posted by: ErikInTexas at June 22, 2017 11:54 AM (dSqvH)

105 42
So that's all the illegal wars are to you, hun, you cis-normative vagina grabbers?

A shooting range so you can exercise your penis replacement guns with things that go up.

Poor indigenous people are just your shooting gallery targets!
Posted by: SJW, 'Triggered' at June 22, 2017 11:42 AM (OZmbA)

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Posted by: J. Random Dude at June 22, 2017 11:54 AM (C9lNt)

106 So what does the target look like through a scope that far away?

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Your mil dots will cover the target.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 22, 2017 11:54 AM (8XRCm)

107 Anybody know of a place to stay in Gettysburg? Prefer somewhere not to close, two miles would be good.
Posted by: S. Niper

Yeah. In the bunker.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 22, 2017 11:54 AM (udajc)

108 Gun thread? WooHoo!

Posted by: Agitator at June 22, 2017 11:54 AM (wacOo)

109 It's too bad redc1c4 is a night hawk. He was posting some stuff about computer guidance systems on the ONT that took into account barometric pressure, windspeed, etc. in order to inform the sniper how best to shoot. I'm guessing that's what's involved.

At two miles, how do you account for wind gusts at 1.75 miles out that you can't see?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 11:54 AM (j+h+K)

110 .220 Swift

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 22, 2017 11:54 AM (QQ+il)

111 American Snipers need to get on the ball. We can't have a Canadian holding the top spot.

Posted by: Sponge at June 22, 2017 11:55 AM (Pi667)

112 79 I don't know it it's true but the US doesn't confirm Kills after so many feet as to not let the enemy know the Max range.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 22, 2017 11:39 AM (dKiJG)

We can kill you - and a whole lot of your friends - from Kansas.

Just food for thought.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Carries ACME Products for Our Democrat Customers! at June 22, 2017 11:49 AM (hLRSq)

Yeah.... just like no Navy ship can ever go over 30 knots...

Posted by: Don Q. at June 22, 2017 11:55 AM (NgKpN)

113 Your mil dots will cover the target.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 22, 2017 11:54 AM (8XRCm)

Amazing.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 22, 2017 11:55 AM (7iUYS)

114 "Ten seconds flight time"

I know nothing about guns, but that's a long time. If the guy moved his head, bent down to tie his shoe, or reached into his pocket for a cigarette, the shot could have been a miss.

Not to take anything away from the sniper, but luck plays a role in these things, no?

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 11:55 AM (7uYFy)

115 Will Trudeau punish him?

Posted by: Puddin Head at June 22, 2017 11:55 AM (mn0Jm)

116 94. And a gift card for either Canada Tire or Tim Horton's.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 22, 2017 11:55 AM (TwwWO)

117 So what does the target look like through a scope that far away? Is it close up? Like head shot in the scope? And how the hell do you find it initially? I have trouble finding a bird in a tree with my binocs. amazing.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 22, 2017 11:53 AM (7iUYS)

Like not too much. Typically military scopes are lower powered than civy versions. My guess is this was no more than a 25x scope if that.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 22, 2017 11:56 AM (t06LC)

118 Anybody know of a place to stay in Gettysburg? Prefer somewhere not to close, two miles would be good.
Posted by: S. Niper

Yeah. In the bunker.
Posted by: weft cut-loop

You know who else had a bunker??

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 11:56 AM (j+h+K)

119 Yeah good shot-- for a canuck.

Posted by: Delta Force at June 22, 2017 11:56 AM (l4aLi)

120 At two miles, how do you account for wind gusts at 1.75 miles out that you can't see?
Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 11:54 AM (j+h+K)

Not to mention, the target MOVING...

10 seconds is a long damn time for the target to be completely stationary...

Posted by: Don Q. at June 22, 2017 11:56 AM (NgKpN)

121
101 And I'm happy to hit the 10 from 10 meters
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 22, 2017 11:53 AM (wfDW1)

Watch me drain this three!
* tosses up a brick *

No, really, watch me drain this three!
* tosses up another brick *

For real, this time!
* tosses up yet another brick *

-- Barky, Hoopster Par Excellence

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2017 11:56 AM (pNxlR)

122 Not to start a conspiracy theory, BUT, if _ I _ had a secret super stealth drone that could quietly sneak up close, say, 50 meters, to an enemy group, put camera eyes on the leader or most interesting member of the group, and "fire" a "bullet" of some sort from this aerial platform into the leader's head without having the drone spotted by sound or by sight ...

I think I would tell the mainstream media the shot was made by a conventional sniper much MUCH _MUCH_ farther away than my actual observational/operational distance from the drone.

Were I a gun-ignorant journalist, I would ignore any of the gun and ballistics issues and ask questions about the home life of, mental health of, racial or gender identity of, nationality of, etc the person credited with the shot. "Oh, he's Canadian? Fascinating! Tell me more..."

Posted by: pouncer at June 22, 2017 11:56 AM (XjJoi)

123 3 of the top 4 are Canadian? Well, I suppose that when bullets are rationed, every one is made to count...

But seriously, can any military shooters here say how that's possible? Short of Canada having a uniquely gifted and psychotically patriotic instructor? I was under the impression Canada shared quite a bit of equipment with the USA...

Posted by: trev006 at June 22, 2017 11:57 AM (5Ag3u)

124 The super high end scopes these days are insane, they even account for weather information. Computer enhancement, etc.

Saw BORS for the first time on yesterday's ONT. Fascinating stuff. Of course being a Noo Yawka, I've never owned a gun.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 22, 2017 11:57 AM (xAvrH)

125 My lay person thought is a laser guided munition or at least a laser spotted target that automatically calculates everything and aims the rifle. Robotics for the new record.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 22, 2017 11:57 AM (9GhFt)

126 Like not too much. Typically military scopes are lower powered than civy versions. My guess is this was no more than a 25x scope if that.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 22, 2017 11:56 AM (t06LC)

Ok i need to go to The Google Machine.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 22, 2017 11:57 AM (7iUYS)

127 i bet he shot a fat guy

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 22, 2017 11:57 AM (h/uSM)

128 Didn't the last update of the BB6x ships give them the ability to accurately lob a Volkswagen into your one car garage from like 15 miles away?

Posted by: IP at June 22, 2017 11:57 AM (MdC1o)

129 At two miles, how do you account for wind gusts at 1.75 miles out that you can't see?
Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 11:54 AM (j+h+K)

Big fuckin 'bullet going really quickly probably helps.....but yeah....

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at June 22, 2017 11:57 AM (CPk08)

130 I wonder if Obama's rules of engagement has anything to do with the lack of Americans on the top of the sniper list? No opportunity = no kills? Anyway, there's an American at the number six spot, from the Vietnam war.

Posted by: Dang at June 22, 2017 11:57 AM (8b+oT)

131 Well.... if there is no limit to the caliber of weapon which can be used?

/fondly remembers watching the USS New Jersey fire in Lebanon in 83....

Posted by: Don Q.

Heh. My work desktop wallpaper is the Mighty Mo doing some long-range relandscaping...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 22, 2017 11:57 AM (AM1GF)

132 Typical set up is a 10x rifle scope with spotter using a 20x scope.

Posted by: Puddin Head at June 22, 2017 11:57 AM (mn0Jm)

133 I hope our boys are making up in volume what they seem to lack in distance.

Posted by: ErikInTexas at June 22, 2017 11:54 AM (dSqvH)

I think our guys are usually much closer to the shit (gee shocked), so yeah much more volume and not as much opportunity for super long shots.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at June 22, 2017 11:58 AM (aMlLZ)

134 Pouncer, that is a fantastic theory, but spoiled by one notion: not all soldiers are like John F Kerry. They'd feel bad taking credit for something they didn't do, state secret or not. Still more when it's a unique achievement.

Posted by: trev006 at June 22, 2017 11:58 AM (5Ag3u)

135 But seriously, can any military shooters here say how that's possible? Short of Canada having a uniquely gifted and psychotically patriotic instructor?

Maybe a looser ROE for Canadian Snipers. Like I said above, if the rules let me shoot two miles out, if I miss 99 times out of a hundred, the one gets me in the record book.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 22, 2017 11:59 AM (QQ+il)

136
10 seconds is a long damn time for the target to be completely stationary...

Posted by: Don Q. at June 22, 2017 11:56 AM (NgKpN)

Read some comments about this. The story says "less than 10 seconds", and a commenter on the twatter said the bullet speed was 720 ft/s, speed of sound is 760 or so, and gave a time of about 5.7s.

Don't know if all that is true. Just saying.
Only the 'less than 10s' is true for sure.

I read that in the story.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 22, 2017 11:59 AM (8iiMU)

137 Don't want to crap on the story but I'm having a hard time accepting it as true.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 22, 2017 11:59 AM (9GhFt)

138 10 seconds is a long damn time for the target to be completely stationary...

Depends on the situation. I doubt most of us has moved significantly for 10 minutes or more.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 11:59 AM (39g3+)

139 74 My wife read this story and expressed interest in long rang shooting. She has declined to step up to the line at the range, now she reads this and wants to shoot. any recommendations? I'm thinking 204 ruger or 243 for longer range accuracy and lighter recoil. we have a 17hmr to get her started. great shooting guys keep up the good work. and stop em good when they don't expect it.
Posted by: USNtakim at June 22, 2017 11:48 AM (zZWkn)

If you've already got an AR-15 you might look into a 6.5 Grendel upper. It takes a different magazine as well. I don't have one personally but it looks to be a solid long range cartridge that doesn't kick like a mule. I'm pretty sure my next build will be a Grendel and I'm seriously considering going to some long-range classes.

Posted by: J. Random Dude at June 22, 2017 12:00 PM (C9lNt)

140 He had a little help.

Posted by: God at June 22, 2017 12:00 PM (l4aLi)

141 Well its about friggin time!

Posted by: The Goat at June 22, 2017 12:00 PM (WLK0w)

142 Bet the shot was taken just after dawn. No winds.

Posted by: Puddin Head at June 22, 2017 12:00 PM (mn0Jm)

143 Again, I know nothing about guns, but does a bullet fired from 2 miles away still have enough of an impact...well I guess it did if it was a kill shot...but normally you would think a bullet from that distance would run out of "steam."

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 12:00 PM (7uYFy)

144 127 i bet he shot a fat guy
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 22, 2017 11:57 AM (h/uSM)

LOL. Akbar al Schwarma, known to his friends as 'Dumbo"...

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at June 22, 2017 12:01 PM (CPk08)

145 It's not the distance. It's the target that matters.

Posted by: Oswald Booth at June 22, 2017 12:01 PM (FZbRo)

146 132 Typical set up is a 10x rifle scope with spotter using a 20x scope.

Posted by: Puddin Head at June 22, 2017 11:57 AM (mn0Jm)

Looks like the M82 uses a 14 power. My .308 scope is a 25x trijicon.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 22, 2017 12:01 PM (t06LC)

147 When a bullet comes out of a rifle barrel, it spirals out, then "screws" back in. The .50 BMG has a very pronounced spiral. You can't even shoot it at 50 yards. It would be easier to hit a particular target at, let's not get crazy here but 700 or 1000 yards than at 300. At 300 it's just getting stable.

So sure, hell, nothing to it.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 22, 2017 12:02 PM (H5rtT)

148 At that distance they even have to compensate for what surfaces the bullet will be traveling above. A field or a pond or a parking lot will all affect the drop differently.

Posted by: Dang at June 22, 2017 12:02 PM (8b+oT)

149 Like I said above, if the rules let me shoot two miles out, if I miss 99 times out of a hundred, the one gets me in the record book.

Right, and if you miss nobody cares. Clearly you're going to miss, and bullets are relatively cheap.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 12:02 PM (39g3+)

150
143 Again, I know nothing about guns, but does a bullet fired from 2 miles away still have enough of an impact...well I guess it did if it was a kill shot...but normally you would think a bullet from that distance would run out of "steam."
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 12:00 PM (7uYFy)

A fellow sniper fires the "shoulder tap" round, first, to get the target to turn around, then, KABLOOEY!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2017 12:02 PM (pNxlR)

151 Spotter Mike: ok Dudley, just another mile or so til the compound is in range.
Sniper Dudley: Ugh, screw that, I'm getting tired. let me try it from here first.

Posted by: IP at June 22, 2017 12:02 PM (MdC1o)

152 A good goalie would have made a blocker save on that shot.

Posted by: Roy at June 22, 2017 12:02 PM (7n4KQ)

153 The shot was made from an elevated position, so basically the bullet was just falling at the end. With a 10 second flight time and a distance of a little over 11,000 feet, that's an average speed just a nudge over the speed of sound.

And since the bullet's exit velocity had to be in the range of 4,000 fps, by the time it reached the target it was subsonic. The sound of the shot arrived shortly after the bullet did.

A very impressive shot, especially to the recipient.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 22, 2017 12:02 PM (6jaju)

154

"It was a .762mm bullet powerful enough to take down an elephant."

Posted by: Idiot Foxy News Reporter at June 22, 2017 12:02 PM (no0Da)

155 If you've already got an AR-15 you might look into a 6.5 Grendel upper. It takes a different magazine as well. I don't have one personally but it looks to be a solid long range cartridge that doesn't kick like a mule. I'm pretty sure my next build will be a Grendel and I'm seriously considering going to some long-range classes.
Posted by: J. Random Dude at June 22, 2017 12:00 PM (C9lNt)

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With lighter bullets, the 243 is on par ballistically with the Grendel.

Call me old school, but semi-a's dont belong on the long line with bolt actions.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 22, 2017 12:02 PM (8XRCm)

156 148
At that distance they even have to compensate for what surfaces the
bullet will be traveling above. A field or a pond or a parking lot will
all affect the drop differently.

Posted by: Dang at June 22, 2017 12:02 PM (8b+oT)

Why?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 22, 2017 12:03 PM (8iiMU)

157

CANSOF is very small, a little over 200 guys and a support activity at the core. Rather than be all things to all men, like, say, Maureen O'hara, they focus on sneak peek shoot scoot activities. Well known in the global SOF community for their military sniping as it's pretty much all they do day in day out...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at June 22, 2017 12:03 PM (fcU1Y)

158 I think the Canadian was "counter-sniping". The soon-to-be-pink mist was probably a sniper himself. That would account for the relative stillness of the soon-to-be-dead guy.

Posted by: rustbucket at June 22, 2017 12:03 PM (E2hov)

159 Air resistance is going to affect the velocity of the round but most of these super long distance shots are with really heavy guns. If I recall correctly, for a long time the record was with an M2 in Vietnam, 50 cal machine gun single shot.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 12:03 PM (39g3+)

160 From firing to impact would take 6.5 seconds, using 1,750 fps as the average speed of the bullet. The sound of the shot would arrive about 5 seconds after bullet impact.

Posted by: Ed Anger at June 22, 2017 12:03 PM (TJx8f)

161 148 At that distance they even have to compensate for what surfaces the bullet will be traveling above. A field or a pond or a parking lot will all affect the drop differently.

Posted by: Dang at June 22, 2017 12:02 PM (8b+oT)
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I told everyone these water hazards were fickle.

Posted by: JEF at June 22, 2017 12:04 PM (l4aLi)

162
Why?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 22, 2017 12:03 PM (8iiMU)

Variation in air density... think mirages as a manifestation of that.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2017 12:04 PM (pNxlR)

163 It must be a tremendously demoralizing circumstance when every now and then somebody around you gets shot, and you have no idea where the bullet came from, and probably didn't even hear it.

Oh, you hear it. And since it appears the bullet is travelling at just about the speed of sound, probably right after your terrorbuddy's head goes all 'splodey.

Which reminds me: we should bring back the term "splodeydope" to refer to these "disrupted" persons. :O

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 22, 2017 12:04 PM (wtvvX)

164 Yeah, standing on line at the [Goat] Bordello after a long day jihadin' and all of a sudden Muhammad's buddy Mohamed drops his bag of dates as his head explodes.

Sad.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 22, 2017 12:04 PM (zKIA2)

165 The sound of the shot would arrive about 5 seconds after bullet impact.
Posted by: Ed Anger at June 22, 2017 12:03 PM (TJx8f)

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At two miles there is no sound of the shot.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 22, 2017 12:04 PM (8XRCm)

166 I wonder how far you have to shoot before the Coriolis Effect makes a difference.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 22, 2017 12:04 PM (QQ+il)

167 So that's all the illegal wars are to you, hun, you cis-normative vagina grabbers?

A shooting range so you can exercise your penis replacement guns with things that go up.

Poor indigenous people are just your shooting gallery targets!

Posted by: SJW, 'Triggered'

Fascinating. Let's say Chelsea Manning regrets his decision. His lack of a penis may cause him to overcompensate and become a better marks(wy)man. We should consider readmitting him.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 22, 2017 12:05 PM (xAvrH)

168 And since the bullet's exit velocity had to be in
the range of 4,000 fps, by the time it reached the target it was
subsonic.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 22, 2017 12:02 PM (6jaju)

Muzzle velocity was less than 3,000ft/sec.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 22, 2017 12:05 PM (wYseH)

169 emojifail.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 22, 2017 12:05 PM (wtvvX)

170 143 Again, I know nothing about guns, but does a bullet fired from 2 miles away still have enough of an impact...well I guess it did if it was a kill shot...but normally you would think a bullet from that distance would run out of "steam."

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 12:00 PM (7uYFy)

Killing power is determined by speed and mass. Even a subsonic bullet that weighs 500 grains is going to do some damage. I assume this was a .338, which goes subsonic at around 2000 yards

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 22, 2017 12:05 PM (t06LC)

171 Back in Nam we used slide rules to calculate the range to the target. Kids these days...

Posted by: Old geezer vet sniper at June 22, 2017 12:05 PM (7n4KQ)

172 10 seconds is a long damn time for the target to be completely stationary...

Depends on the situation. I doubt most of us has moved significantly for 10 minutes or more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

I'm not in a war zone.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 12:05 PM (j+h+K)

173 That's over two miles. So impressive.

I don't think I can see two miles.

Posted by: tu3031 at June 22, 2017 12:06 PM (qJhUV)

174 >>I think the Canadian was "counter-sniping". The soon-to-be-pink mist was
probably a sniper himself. That would account for the relative
stillness of the soon-to-be-dead guy.

Even better, if true!

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2017 12:06 PM (NOIQH)

175 /aims at the guy on the wall....

sniper: OK.... got a target.....

/shoots..... hits a guy coming out of the outhouse 20 ft from the wall

spotter: Damn good shot.... how'd you know he was coming out of the outhouse? That's gotta be a record mate...

sniper: Uh.... I'm just that damn good... eh

Posted by: Don Q. at June 22, 2017 12:06 PM (NgKpN)

176 S Niper...for Gettysburg info. You want a hotel/motel or camping? Got a car or thumbing rides?

Posted by: Fish at June 22, 2017 12:06 PM (9goQD)

177 "Hold my beer and watch this . . . "

James McAvoy: "WTF!"

Posted by: Angelina Jolie at June 22, 2017 12:06 PM (zKIA2)

178
For a blog audience that eschews math, some of you are pretty crackerjack at figurin'...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2017 12:06 PM (pNxlR)

179 Not only do you have to compensate for bullet drop and wind, but at that range also the rotational effects of the earth during the flight.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 22, 2017 12:07 PM (7ZVPa)

180 For a peaceful and hokey people, Canadians sure are good at killing terrorist scum from long distances

Posted by: Bikerchick85 at June 22, 2017 12:07 PM (I2Bfq)

181 Impressive, but Jethro and Jed used to shoot flies off the gate down by the road from the front porch.

Posted by: Roy at June 22, 2017 12:07 PM (7n4KQ)

182
10 seconds? I could be there and back in less time.

Posted by: Superman at June 22, 2017 12:07 PM (PduNE)

183 And since the bullet's exit velocity had to be in
the range of 4,000 fps, by the time it reached the target it was
subsonic.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 22, 2017 12:02 PM (6jaju)

Muzzle velocity was less than 3,000ft/sec.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

So at two miles, it's more of an artillery lob than a straight line rifle shot? I have no idea. I've never attempted even a one mile shot.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 12:07 PM (j+h+K)

184 Muzzle velocity was less than 3,000ft/sec.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 22, 2017 12:05 PM (wYseH)

Or, in this case, Muzzie Velocity?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 22, 2017 12:08 PM (wtvvX)

185 I think the Canadian was "counter-sniping". The soon-to-be-pink mist was probably a sniper himself. That would account for the relative stillness of the soon-to-be-dead guy.

Posted by: rustbucket

If that's the case, I wish CBD would post art with Muslim snipers, since they seem to be easier to spot.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 22, 2017 12:08 PM (xAvrH)

186 136 Read some comments about this. The story says "less than 10 seconds",
and a commenter on the twatter said the bullet speed was 720 ft/s, speed
of sound is 760 or so, and gave a time of about 5.7s.

Galt, the speed of sound (at 20 C, at sea level) is around 1,125 fps.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 22, 2017 12:08 PM (6jaju)

187 Didn't the last update of the BB6x ships give them the ability to accurately lob a Volkswagen into your one car garage from like 15 miles away?

Posted by: IP at June 22, 2017 11:57 AM (MdC1o)

They were still using the old electro-mechanical Ford Mk 1A fire control computers on the Iowa class because going digital wasn't going to get the shells any closer to make a difference.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Carries ACME Products for Our Democrat Customers! at June 22, 2017 12:08 PM (hLRSq)

188 Sniping is nothing. In "Hurt Locker," a couple EOD techs just pick up a Barrett rifle and grease an AQI guy at distance no problem. Just like in real life.

Posted by: General Zod at June 22, 2017 11:40 AM (Bdeb0)

I seem to recall that it took them most of the day and quite a few shots to finally get the guy.

Posted by: Angelina Jolie at June 22, 2017 12:08 PM (zKIA2)

189 Gun thread? WooHoo!

Posted by: Agitator at June 22, 2017 11:54 AM

All threads are gun threads...eventually.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 22, 2017 12:08 PM (p+Wdc)

190 How much would the bullet weigh after firing? an ounce or two?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 22, 2017 12:08 PM (wtvvX)

191 Just dicking around with that trajectory program.....

Hypersonic until 2,200 yards.

900ft/sec. at 3500 yards.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 22, 2017 12:09 PM (wYseH)

192 I'm not in a war zone.

At two miles, he probably thought he wasn't either. Unless IP's theory about getting tired of humping that rifle around is accurate

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 12:09 PM (39g3+)

193 For a blog audience that eschews math, some of you are pretty crackerjack at figurin'...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2017 12:06 PM (pNxlR)

My lawsey ye, all this fancy cipherin with the aughts, double aughts, and naughts...

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is not a vinegar-c**ted hag, thank you very much. at June 22, 2017 12:09 PM (kXoT0)

194 Right, and if you miss nobody cares. Clearly you're going to miss, and bullets are relatively cheap.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 12:02 PM (39g3+)

Plus, we don't hear about the misses. "Sniper misses target at 2 miles out" is a dog-bites-man story.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 22, 2017 12:09 PM (AmNTJ)

195 So at two miles, it's more of an artillery lob than a straight line rifle shot? I have no idea. I've never attempted even a one mile shot.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 12:07 PM (j+h+K)

Yeah. But any rifle shot does this. They aren't lasers. An ar 15 zeroed at 25m is zeroed at 300m. Why? that's where the arc intersects.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 22, 2017 12:10 PM (t06LC)

196 How much would the bullet weigh after firing? an ounce or two?

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50 bmg ball ammo is 660 grains.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 22, 2017 12:10 PM (8XRCm)

197 They were still using the old electro-mechanical Ford Mk 1A fire control computers on the Iowa class because going digital wasn't going to get the shells any closer to make a difference.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Carri

Which is fucking amazing.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 22, 2017 12:10 PM (wtvvX)

198 What have we learned today, class?

Canadians are sneaky.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 22, 2017 12:10 PM (F0ZHr)

199 Why do we not yet have laser rifles? That would work instantaneously, and neither wind speed nor barometric pressure would have an effect. And even if the target was gay, he wouldn't have time to flip open his powder compact in order to deflect the shot.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 22, 2017 12:10 PM (xAvrH)

200 A shooting range so you can exercise your penis replacement guns with things that go up.

Poor indigenous people are just your shooting gallery targets!

Posted by: SJW, 'Triggered' at June 22, 2017 11:42 AM (OZmbA)

Well, reaching out and killing them with the tips of our Trump Schadenboners is way too easy, so we like to give them a sporting chance by using firearms.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 22, 2017 12:10 PM (zKIA2)

201
At two miles there is no sound of the shot.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 22, 2017 12:04 PM (8XRCm)

If you're standing close to the target I imagine the only thing you would hear is zip thud

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 22, 2017 12:10 PM (lKyWE)

202 watching some of the LD target shooting youtube videos, it does seem like a crap shoot.

Posted by: auscolpyr at June 22, 2017 12:11 PM (suO/a)

203 For a blog audience that eschews math, some of you are pretty crackerjack at figurin'...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2017 12:06 PM (pNxlR)
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It's all that practice they are getting from when they submit recipes.

(You have to solve a math problem to submit.)

Posted by: bluebell - Bon appetit! at June 22, 2017 12:11 PM (sBOL1)

204 660 grains is an ounce and a half.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 22, 2017 12:11 PM (H5rtT)

205 10 seconds is a long damn time for the target to be completely stationary...

Depends on the situation. I doubt most of us has moved significantly for 10 minutes or more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

I'm not in a war zone.
Posted by: rickb223

...that you know of.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 22, 2017 12:11 PM (AM1GF)

206 BTW, happy 76th anniversary of the beginning of Operation Barbarossa.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 22, 2017 12:11 PM (dZ756)

207 From what I've read, rifled bullets tend to wobble a bit immediately after exiting the barrel, and stabilize later, like someone said above. So within reason, longer is actually somewhat more accurate in one sense.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 12:11 PM (39g3+)

208 Sniping is nothing. In "Hurt Locker," a couple EOD techs just pick up a Barrett rifle and grease an AQI guy at distance no problem. Just like in real life.

Posted by: General Zod at June 22, 2017 11:40 AM (Bdeb0)

I seem to recall that it took them most of the day and quite a few shots to finally get the guy.

Posted by: Angelina Jolie at June 22, 2017 12:08 PM (zKIA2)

I have a PSL like the Iraqi dude does. Its kinda a POS. Uses a crude 4x scope. Thin barrel that gets very inaccurate after 5 shots or so. I'd rather have the Barrett...

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 22, 2017 12:12 PM (t06LC)

209 Yeah. But any rifle shot does this. They aren't lasers. An ar 15 zeroed at 25m is zeroed at 300m. Why? that's where the arc intersects.
Posted by: Jollyroger

Correct. But what's the hold-over for two miles?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 12:12 PM (j+h+K)

210
At two miles there is no sound of the shot.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 22, 2017 12:04 PM (8XRCm)
__________

On a quiet night it might very well be audible. It would mostly depend on the ground surfaces - rocks and pavement reflect sound waves while vegetation absorbs them.

Posted by: Ed Anger at June 22, 2017 12:12 PM (TJx8f)

211 50 bmg ball ammo is 660 grains.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 22, 2017 12:10 PM (8XRCm)

So around 1.5 ounces. Tx.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 22, 2017 12:12 PM (wtvvX)

212 660 grains is an ounce and a half.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 22, 2017 12:11 PM (H5rtT)

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7000 grains to a pound

Posted by: fixerupper at June 22, 2017 12:12 PM (8XRCm)

213 You know what impresses me is the range on the A10 gattling gun. You see this flying thing on the horizon and then a hillside lights up with Durka parts flying in all directions. Several seconds later "braaaaaaap" like Puff the Angel of Death just had a good dinner.
That's if you're the good guys.
Durka gets a different perspective.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 22, 2017 12:12 PM (QtQaN)

214 199 Why do we not yet have laser rifles? That would work instantaneously, and neither wind speed nor barometric pressure would have an effect. And even if the target was gay, he wouldn't have time to flip open his powder compact in order to deflect the shot.

Right?! PLUS, as we all know, they'd make this awesome "pew pew pew" sound.

My guess is that they haven't figured out how to make enough super-cooled power in a man-portable weapon yet. AFAIK the only deployed death lasers are mounted on ships.

Posted by: mx4 at June 22, 2017 12:13 PM (0CAVe)

215 Not only do you have to compensate for bullet drop and wind, but at that range also the rotational effects of the earth during the flight.

If you are firing north or south at the equator, you are sliding east at 1500ft/s so it obviously can't be a straight up calculation. I think the wind would be a greater effect.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 22, 2017 12:13 PM (QQ+il)

216 Lasers don't go through fog, and can be "deflected" by mirage.
They have a lot of possibilities, but they're not magic.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 22, 2017 12:13 PM (H5rtT)

217 When a bullet comes out of a rifle barrel, it spirals out, then "screws" back in. The .50 BMG has a very pronounced spiral. You can't even shoot it at 50 yards. It would be easier to hit a particular target at, let's not get crazy here but 700 or 1000 yards than at 300. At 300 it's just getting stable.

So sure, hell, nothing to it.
Posted by: Stringer Davis

This comment needs to be illustrated by a zombie Loony Tunes.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 22, 2017 12:13 PM (udajc)

218 Why do we not yet have laser rifles? That would work instantaneously, and neither wind speed nor barometric pressure would have an effect.

Air defracts lasers, plus there's a bloom effect as the air catches fire around it. even pulsed, lasers of any real power are really tough to use in atmosphere. That, and to get enough power to be deadly you need a pretty huge machine and power source to fire it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 12:13 PM (39g3+)

219 87 My wife read this story and expressed interest in long rang shooting. She has declined to step up to the line at the range, now she reads this and wants to shoot. any recommendations? I'm thinking 204 ruger or 243 for longer range accuracy and lighter recoil. we have a 17hmr to get her started. great shooting guys keep up the good work. and stop em good when they don't expect it.
Posted by: USNtakim at June 22, 2017 11:48 AM (zZWkn)

Don't have one myself but the 6.5 Creedmore has a really good reputation for both very good long range accuracy and light recoil. Ruger chambers their precision rifle in it.

Posted by: Agitator at June 22, 2017 12:13 PM (wacOo)

220 199 Why do we not yet have laser rifles? (xAvrH)

They take a LOT of power.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at June 22, 2017 12:13 PM (CPk08)

221 A shooting range so you can exercise your penis replacement guns with things that go up.

Poor indigenous people are just your shooting gallery targets!

Posted by: SJW, 'Triggered' at June 22, 2017 11:42 AM (OZmbA)

It's their fault, they triggered us!

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Carries ACME Products for Our Democrat Customers! at June 22, 2017 12:13 PM (hLRSq)

222 It must be a tremendously demoralizing circumstance when every now and then somebody around you gets shot, and you have no idea where the bullet came from, and probably didn't even hear it.

I imagine they can estimate (like police detectives) where the shot came from, but at one or two miles out, that's plenty of time to escape.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 22, 2017 12:13 PM (xAvrH)

223 Lasers don't go through fog, and can be "deflected" by mirage.
They have a lot of possibilities, but they're not magic.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 22, 2017 12:13 PM (H5rtT)

Suddenly the Stormtroopers' shooting ability makes sense...

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 22, 2017 12:14 PM (t06LC)

224 206. Apropos of that and this - GPW vets I knew never sniped, but two did do Soviet counter-sniper work. Figure out which building he's in, then, mortar or ATG fire. Crude, but effective.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 22, 2017 12:14 PM (TwwWO)

225 199 Why do we not yet have laser rifles? That would work instantaneously, and neither wind speed nor barometric pressure would have an effect. And even if the target was gay, he wouldn't have time to flip open his powder compact in order to deflect the shot.

I think beam divergence is also an issue...like mx4 suggested there are ways around that but the solutions don't tend to be man portable.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 22, 2017 12:15 PM (PFy0L)

226 Don't have one myself but the 6.5 Creedmore has a really good reputation for both very good long range accuracy and light recoil. Ruger chambers their precision rifle in it.

Posted by: Agitator at June 22, 2017 12:13 PM (wacOo)

The Grendel, Creedmore, and 5.45x39 all share similar design in that they all have a high ballistic coefficient (long, skinny bullet) that help them to glide through the air. All very good rounds.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 22, 2017 12:16 PM (t06LC)

227 I was an 0317 in the Corps about a thousand years ago. I'm not saying that the shooter wasn't talented, obviously he was, but a two mile shot had some luck involved.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 22, 2017 12:16 PM (kTF2Z)

228 You may be sliding east, but your target 2 miles away is also sliding, at a rate only 2/6000 less than yours. As she says at the picnic, don't over-compensate.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 22, 2017 12:16 PM (H5rtT)

229 I'd settle for a light saber over a laser gun...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 22, 2017 12:16 PM (wtvvX)

230 I tell ya, this sniper guy is a regular Hodgkinson with that rifle.

Posted by: Meremortal at June 22, 2017 12:17 PM (3myMJ)

231 They have semiautomatic 50 cal sniper riffles. Not as accurate but so what? In five seconds a sniper could empty a clip. Long range shot gun.

Posted by: Mudd at June 22, 2017 12:17 PM (cfHE9)

232 I'd rather have the Barrett...
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 22, 2017 12:12 PM (t06LC)
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Well, Scheels Sporting Goods, Jordan Square Mall, in West Des Moines, has several to choose from.

Posted by: IP at June 22, 2017 12:17 PM (MdC1o)

233 Meanwhile, in Alaska, fishing boats are having a hard time being able to make a living on account of the orcas.

No, not because eco-twits complaining on their behalf. The orcas themselves.

http://tinyurl.com/ycb3yx4x

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 22, 2017 12:17 PM (AM1GF)

234 229 I'd settle for a light saber over a laser gun...
Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 22, 2017 12:16 PM (wtvvX)

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Embrace the power of "and": Laser Rifle with a Lightsaber bayonet!

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 12:18 PM (Mfkgn)

235 Simo Hayha (lot's of umlauts avoided due to Pixy) would laugh and say, "Good job, but come back boy after you hit 100 shots like that!"

And no one would say a word, just bow and walk off.

Even Russians don't badmouth Simo. Well, that may not quite be true.....

Posted by: Vanceone at June 22, 2017 12:18 PM (HcgJZ)

236 It must be a tremendously demoralizing circumstance when every now and then somebody around you gets shot, and you have no idea where the bullet came from, and probably didn't even hear it.

I imagine they can estimate (like police detectives) where the shot came from,

They get an hour. Less commercials. About 42 minutes to figure it out or the perp escapes.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 12:18 PM (j+h+K)

237 Standard, belt-fed .50 cal round has a muzzle velocity from the standard M-2 machine gun, of +/- 2,700 fps. That's grossly rounding and generalizing the numbers, of course.

Hand-loaded, Match-Grade precision rounds, will likely run about 2,500~2,600 fps, but with much greater (near perfection) consistency in velocity, round for round. Same with internal cartridge pressure, concentricity, run-out, over-all length, case volume, case weight, and easily a dozen other factors that precision loaders control and correct for.

I'd have to pull up an external ballistics calculator, but I roughly recall the .50 round going subsonic, generally around the 1.2 to 1.5 mile zone.

So, five or six seconds flight time, sounds about right.

Compare though.

If an SR-71 Blackbird (at altitude) flew in the same direction as the bullet, at the exact zilli-second that the bullet left the barrel.

The Blackbird would outrun the bullet by well over 700 ft. per second.

There's fast. And then, there's fast!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2017 12:18 PM (v5iqM)

238 Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 22, 2017 12:10 PM (xAvrH)

That's pretty damn funny right there.

Posted by: Golfman at June 22, 2017 12:19 PM (SchFD)

239 this is amazing

Posted by: phoenixgirl... at June 22, 2017 12:19 PM (0O7c5)

240 Phased Plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 22, 2017 12:20 PM (QQ+il)

241 120 @Don Q.

Somebody picked the wrong spot to take a nap...

...or reading the daily listings of the local Infidel Sex Slave Market.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at June 22, 2017 12:20 PM (Quwsn)

242

USN, .243 is a delight to shoot, lots of bullet choices and loads, you can neck down .308 brass, and perfectly adequate for minute of muzzie, I mean, deer. A lighter contour gun, synthetic stock and lo-pro scope and she will be a happy camper. Get Some!

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at June 22, 2017 12:20 PM (fcU1Y)

243 235 Simo Hayha (lot's of umlauts avoided due to Pixy) would laugh and say, "Good job, but come back boy after you hit 100 shots like that!"

And no one would say a word, just bow and walk off.

Even Russians don't badmouth Simo. Well, that may not quite be true.....
Posted by: Vanceone at June 22, 2017 12:18 PM (HcgJZ)

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What's even more impressive about ol' White Death is that he did all that work with iron sights: he hated how the scope mounts raised his head up when prone.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 12:21 PM (Mfkgn)

244 Gettysburg - Wyndham and Courtyard complex (Marriot hotels) are two nice places - no free breakfast though. I'll be there in November for the Lincoln Forum.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at June 22, 2017 12:21 PM (dQJCS)

245
Well, Scheels Sporting Goods, Jordan Square Mall, in West Des Moines, has several to choose from.

Posted by: IP at June 22, 2017 12:17 PM (MdC1o)

My local arms dealer has one... I just don't have the 10K...

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 22, 2017 12:22 PM (t06LC)

246 243. And he got not a few kills with his smg. Dude was the Angel of Death.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 22, 2017 12:22 PM (TwwWO)

247
later gators.... hate to leave a gun thread...but work calls.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 22, 2017 12:22 PM (8XRCm)

248 It's not a clip...it's a magazine.

Posted by: That Deplorable Guy Who Always Reminds Us... at June 22, 2017 12:23 PM (vtcmf)

249 "I'd settle for a light saber over a laser gun..."

Ciaphas Cain settled that one. You want to be as far away from monsters as you can when you kill them. Laz pistol and chain-sword. And have a good aide-de-camp in the martial sense.

http://tinyurl.com/yabeemf9

Posted by: Mudd at June 22, 2017 12:23 PM (cfHE9)

250 @243...while dangling upside-down from a tree, rope around his ankles, swaying. Hell of a man. He got shot anyway. Handsomest disfigured man in Finland, and that was probably really saying something.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 22, 2017 12:23 PM (H5rtT)

251 Yeah two miles, that's not even skill any longer.
There's no possible way you can account for all the variations and
conditions over that distance.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 11:39 AM

And yet, he persisted.

;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 22, 2017 12:24 PM (DMUuz)

252 147 When a bullet comes out of a rifle barrel, it spirals out, then "screws" back in. The .50 BMG has a very pronounced spiral. You can't even shoot it at 50 yards. It would be easier to hit a particular target at, let's not get crazy here but 700 or 1000 yards than at 300. At 300 it's just getting stable.

So sure, hell, nothing to it.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 22, 2017 12:02 PM (H5rtT)

Can you direct us to a source for this? I'm not finding this and I see a ton of youtube videos of people shooting this round "accurately" (able to hit a steel plate or a barrel) at much less than 300 yards.

Not doubting you, it's just very interesting and I'd like to know more. Cheers.

Posted by: mx4 at June 22, 2017 12:24 PM (0CAVe)

253 The Finns shot down hundreds of perfectly good Russians with the Brewster Buffalo. That's how frickin' awesome Finns are.

Because, beneath every Finn? Is a [shark.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 22, 2017 12:25 PM (H5rtT)

254 It's not a clip...it's a magazine.
Posted by: That Deplorable Guy Who Always Reminds Us... at June 22, 2017 12:23 PM

Ahem.

Posted by: M-1 Garand at June 22, 2017 12:25 PM (DMUuz)

255 It appears the Senate Health Plan is underwhelming and does not have enough R support? Great plan there guys...it's almost as if you want it to fail?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 22, 2017 12:25 PM (5y11N)

256 What's even more impressive about ol' White Death is that he did all that work with iron sights: he hated how the scope mounts raised his head up when prone.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 12:21 PM (Mfkgn)

The PU sniper does have a weird scope mount and cheek weld. Probably the most accurate WW2 snipers though. The soviets chose rifles for sniper duty on an individual basis. If a rifle showed better than usual accuracy, it was sent for sniper duty. Every other county (including our venerable 1903A4s) were just pulled off the line in batches at random and given scope mounts.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 22, 2017 12:25 PM (t06LC)

257 I'd settle for a light saber over a laser gun...
Posted by: Tex Lovera

You'd just cut your dick off, son.

Posted by: Obi Wan Redneckobi at June 22, 2017 12:26 PM (udajc)

258 246 243. And he got not a few kills with his smg. Dude was the Angel of Death.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 22, 2017 12:22 PM (TwwWO)

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He's why I roll my eyes when I hear someone badmouth the Mosin. Just because something is cheap and seems clunky doesn't mean it sucks.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 12:27 PM (Mfkgn)

259 Plus, we don't hear about the misses. "Sniper misses target at 2 miles out" is a dog-bites-man story.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 22, 2017 12:09 PM (AmNTJ)

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Would the target hear anything whizzing by? a miss probably impacts hundreds of feet away.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 22, 2017 12:27 PM (h/uSM)

260 There's so many factors to consider, not to mention the size of the Barrett. It really does take a team to operate one.

Posted by: josephistan at June 22, 2017 12:27 PM (7HtZB)

261 249 "I'd settle for a light saber over a laser gun..."

Ciaphas Cain settled that one. You want to be as far away from monsters as you can when you kill them. Laz pistol and chain-sword. And have a good aide-de-camp in the martial sense.

http://tinyurl.com/yabeemf9
Posted by: Mudd at June 22, 2017 12:23 PM (cfHE9)

Two words....

Hover Tank....

Posted by: Col. Alois Hammer at June 22, 2017 12:28 PM (NgKpN)

262 Simo Hayha (lot's of umlauts avoided due to Pixy) would laugh and say, "Good job, but come back boy after you hit 100 shots like that!"

Finnish "White Death". Amazing story.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 22, 2017 12:28 PM (jhqr1)

263 Embrace the power of "and": Laser Rifle with a Lightsaber bayonet!
Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 12:18 PM (Mfkgn)

Genius!!!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 22, 2017 12:28 PM (wtvvX)

264 Just because something is cheap and seems clunky doesn't mean it sucks.

Insert Pixy joke here.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 22, 2017 12:28 PM (F0ZHr)

265 Two words....

Hover Tank....
Posted by: Col. Alois Hammer at June 22, 2017 12:28 PM (NgKpN)

So, basically an A-10?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 22, 2017 12:29 PM (wtvvX)

266 257 I'd settle for a light saber over a laser gun...
Posted by: Tex Lovera

You'd just cut your dick off, son.
Posted by: Obi Wan Redneckobi at June 22, 2017 12:26 PM (udajc)

Hold my blue milk and watch this!

Posted by: Luke Ray Skywalker at June 22, 2017 12:29 PM (7HtZB)

267 Simo didn't use a scope(didn't trust them in the cold) and mostly fired from much shorter ranges,He even used a submachine gun.

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 12:30 PM (rmVvL)

268 \Simo Hayha (lot's of umlauts avoided due to Pixy) would laugh and say, "Good job, but come back boy after you hit 100 shots like that!"

Finnish "White Death". Amazing story.

Someone was mentioning Sabaton a while back, they did a song of that name pretty much about him.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 22, 2017 12:30 PM (AM1GF)

269 264 Just because something is cheap and seems clunky doesn't mean it sucks.

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think again

Posted by: Lena Dunham at June 22, 2017 12:30 PM (h/uSM)

270 Winning is a matter of competitive spirit. Who wants it more?

A bikini contest competitor is facing a battery charge for allegedly clobbering another female contestant over the head with high-heeled shoes, Florida police report.

http://tinyurl.com/yblr3k85

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 22, 2017 12:30 PM (Nwg0u)

271 Simo Hayha (lot's of umlauts avoided due to Pixy) would laugh and say, "Good job, but come back boy after you hit 100 shots like that!"

And no one would say a word, just bow and walk off.

Even Russians don't badmouth Simo. Well, that may not quite be true.....

Posted by: Vanceone at June 22, 2017 12:18 PM (HcgJZ)

And he did that shit with iron sights.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at June 22, 2017 12:31 PM (aMlLZ)

272 248 It's not a clip...it's a magazine.
Posted by: That Deplorable Guy Who Always Reminds Us... at June 22, 2017 12:23 PM (vtcmf)

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That's right, the clip goes into the magazine. Some of those scary magazines with the thing that goes up can shoot 30 or more clips per second!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 22, 2017 12:31 PM (kTF2Z)

273 He's why I roll my eyes when I hear someone badmouth the Mosin. Just because something is cheap and seems clunky doesn't mean it sucks.

Well, some of us need a nice crutch to overcome our middling abilities.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 22, 2017 12:31 PM (jhqr1)

274 270 Winning is a matter of competitive spirit. Who wants it more?

A bikini contest competitor is facing a battery charge for allegedly clobbering another female contestant over the head with high-heeled shoes, Florida police report.

http://tinyurl.com/yblr3k85
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 22, 2017 12:30 PM (Nwg0u)

I'd be disappointed if that didn't happen in Florida.

Posted by: josephistan at June 22, 2017 12:32 PM (7HtZB)

275 272 248 It's not a clip...it's a magazine.
Posted by: That Deplorable Guy Who Always Reminds Us... at June 22, 2017 12:23 PM (vtcmf)

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That's right, the clip goes into the magazine. Some of those scary magazines with the thing that goes up can shoot 30 or more clips per second!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 22, 2017 12:31 PM (kTF2Z)

Those 30-caliber clips are especially deadly.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2017 12:32 PM (0mRoj)

276 Mollie Hemingway on the bizarre FBI briefing about Hodgkinson.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/268179/

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 12:33 PM (rmVvL)

277 If the numbers are correct, Simo or the "White Death" personally eliminated an entire battalion of Russians--800 kills between sniper and his SMG?

Gotta be some propaganda, but dude. DUDE!

And all in about 100 days.

And he only passed away in 2002. I'm sure the Russian Army breathed a sigh of relief on reading that obituary.

Posted by: Vanceone at June 22, 2017 12:33 PM (HcgJZ)

278

Good news Comrades! We have developed an optical sight system that will auromatically notify you when you are on target! Bad news, is a vibrating butt plug. But, Party approved!

Posted by: Chinese Army R & D at June 22, 2017 12:33 PM (fcU1Y)

279 Someone was mentioning Sabaton a while back, they did a song of that name pretty much about him.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 22, 2017 12:30 PM (AM1GF)

I don't think there is a war or army from 10,000 BC to now that Sabaton didn't do a song about.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at June 22, 2017 12:33 PM (aMlLZ)

280 Unless you embed the stiletto heel in a skull, you're just a poser.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 22, 2017 12:34 PM (F0ZHr)

281 Some of you are fixated that his was a head shot. More than likely the shooter was aiming at the torso at two miles. A kill is a kill whether it was a head shot or not.

I knew a couple of snipers in Vietnam and they almost never took head shots. They aimed for the heart.

Y'all have been watching too many movies.

Posted by: Soona at June 22, 2017 12:34 PM (Fmupd)

282 I'd be disappointed if that didn't happen in Florida.
Posted by: josephistan at June 22, 2017 12:32 PM (7HtZB)

I heard somewhere that the "Florida Man" meme is a result not because Florida is fundamentally more weird than other locations, just that their laws require more detailed info to be put in police reports, so it's just easier to find these weird stories out of florida than other places.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 22, 2017 12:34 PM (KUaJL)

283 Loser Ossoff, it's all over,
Your campaign is a failure, the Dems are too extreme.

I'm your new commander. You now are my prisoner.

We return to Transylvania, prepare the transmit beam.

*shoots Ossoff with "American Gothic" pitchfork laser*

Posted by: Karen Handel at June 22, 2017 12:35 PM (xAvrH)

284 Any further away and I'd rather of used a Davy Crocket round.

Posted by: Strobe at June 22, 2017 12:35 PM (9WzNv)

285 Y'all have been watching too many movies.
Posted by: Soona at June 22, 2017 12:34 PM (Fmupd)

Playing too many video games, more like.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 22, 2017 12:35 PM (KUaJL)

286 @252 No, sorry. It's a secret.

Srsly, look up "helical flight path" and you'll find some people (1)trying to deal with it ballistically and (2)denying such a thing even exists.

On a humid day at Camp Perry (most days) you can witness it yourself.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 22, 2017 12:36 PM (H5rtT)

287 Good news Comrades! We have developed an optical sight system that will auromatically notify you when you are on target! Bad news, is a vibrating butt plug. But, Party approved!

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now that's my kind of party!

Posted by: Barak oabma at June 22, 2017 12:36 PM (h/uSM)

288 The Finns shot down hundreds of perfectly good Russians with the Brewster Buffalo. That's how frickin' awesome Finns are.

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That's some great PR there, naming a fighter after the graceful, nimble buffalo.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 22, 2017 12:36 PM (Nwg0u)

289 Wait, I thought Canada wasn't in the evil Iraq war. Only the Afghanistan good war.

Posted by: Jay In Ames at June 22, 2017 12:36 PM (i2Lsf)

290 Can one offset the loss of accuracy by the increase in kilo-tonnage?

I want to put a link to nukemap here, but some asshole might twist it to suggest that I am advocating for something.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2017 12:36 PM (J+eG2)

291 If you did not know who megan mccain's father was, you'd almost think she was a conservative

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 22, 2017 12:37 PM (5y11N)

292 277 If the numbers are correct, Simo or the "White Death" personally eliminated an entire battalion of Russians--800 kills between sniper and his SMG?

Gotta be some propaganda, but dude. DUDE!

And all in about 100 days.

And he only passed away in 2002. I'm sure the Russian Army breathed a sigh of relief on reading that obituary.
Posted by: Vanceone at June 22, 2017 12:33 PM (HcgJZ)

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I think his body count was closer to 200 to 300 over the full 100 days. The Russians had a downright horrific body count during that war. They. Were. Not. Ready.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 12:37 PM (Mfkgn)

293 Loser Ossoff, it's all over,

Your campaign is a failure, the Dems are too extreme.

I'm your new commander. You now are my prisoner.

We return to Transylvania, prepare the transmit beam.

*shoots Ossoff with "American Gothic" pitchfork laser*

Posted by: Karen Handel at June 22, 2017 12:35 PM

*snort*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 22, 2017 12:37 PM (p+Wdc)

294 Only in holloywood do you aim at the head. Center of mass is how we're taught. Kill = good. Wound = sometimes better, more targets show up to help.

Posted by: Strobe at June 22, 2017 12:37 PM (9WzNv)

295 If you did not know who megan mccain's father was, you'd almost think she was a conservative
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 22, 2017 12:37 PM (5y11N)

Of course when your sitting next to Harf wit that is easy to do I guess

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 22, 2017 12:37 PM (5y11N)

296 I am not a sniper, but:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/y7s2rogn

This appears to be using the correct weapon and bullet. The shot took 9.08 seconds to arrive, was over 200ft above the line of sight at the middle of its flight, and the shooter had to aim almost 5deg above the line of sight.

Posted by: kwan3217 at June 22, 2017 12:37 PM (xJn6H)

297 It's not a clip...it's a magazine.

My Dad was Air Force Security Police for 20 years. He trained with the Brits, the Germans, the Israelis, Aussies, the FBI etc. He spent 18 months doing counter narcotics in Germany. He ran the Air Force's biggest K9 group for years. He taught me everything I know about shooting, and I'm damn good at it.

He calls magazines clips.

*shrug* Whatareyagonnado?

Posted by: bonhomme at June 22, 2017 12:39 PM (jhqr1)

298 I get the feeling ace is with his whore Twitter instead of us...

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 12:39 PM (rmVvL)

299 281 Some of you are fixated that his was a head shot. More than likely the shooter was aiming at the torso at two miles. A kill is a kill whether it was a head shot or not.

I knew a couple of snipers in Vietnam and they almost never took head shots. They aimed for the heart.

Y'all have been watching too many movies.
Posted by: Soona at June 22, 2017 12:34 PM (Fmupd)

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Yep. You don't even need a direct hit to kill someone with 50 BMG. The pressure wave'll kill anyone within 6 feet or so.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 12:39 PM (Mfkgn)

300 Liudmyla Mykhailivna Pavlychenko was a Soviet (actually Ukrainian) woman sniper who took out 309 Nazis during WWWII

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 22, 2017 12:40 PM (qES5k)

301 Note the Canadian kill in Iraq is 2017 - so, ISIS-related, not the war some are talking about. Canada was not in that one. No further comment on that fact.

And Steevy, up above, don't go linking or implying anything negative about the FBI. You'll be stamped "cop-hater!". Check recent AOSHQ style-guide updates.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2017 12:40 PM (QDnY+)

302 298 I get the feeling ace is with his whore Twitter instead of us...
Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 12:39 PM (rmVvL)

I'd say we should file for divorce and sue for alimony, but honestly, I don't know what I'd do with my time if not being here.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 22, 2017 12:41 PM (KUaJL)

303 Jerry says that ain't nothing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk4RPsn8Zfs

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2017 12:41 PM (J+eG2)

304 And than Jerry did this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ3XwizTqDw

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2017 12:42 PM (J+eG2)

305 The Finns shot down hundreds of perfectly good Russians with the Brewster Buffalo. That's how frickin' awesome Finns are.

Hindsight is 20/20, I know. But this still depresses me. Why did the Europeans spend so much of the twentieth century fighting and killing each other, instead of decimating the Middle East, in order to prevent a Muslim invasion? Why did that idiot Nixon help China?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 22, 2017 12:42 PM (xAvrH)

306 Well sure, with dogs you use clips...

(j/k)

I had a friend at work who was a "dog-boy" in VietNam. Didn't feel one way or the other about the war and all, but never got over what happened to the dogs. We live in a new age. War dogs in those days did not make it home.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 22, 2017 12:42 PM (H5rtT)

307 10 second flight time. Jeeze that is nothing.

Do you know how many comments the horde can post here in ten seconds.

Amature.

Posted by: Picric at June 22, 2017 12:43 PM (ypgU8)

308 294 Only in holloywood do you aim at the head. Center of mass is how we're taught. Kill = good. Wound = sometimes better, more targets show up to help.
Posted by: Strobe at June 22, 2017 12:37 PM (9WzNv)

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The scene near the end of Full Metal Jacket where the sniper is keeping them pinned down nailed what a real combat sniper does. Wound one guy: his buddies either go help him or they stay stationary. If you wanna get nasty and try to flush em, keep wounding the wounded guy.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 12:43 PM (Mfkgn)

309 Why did that idiot Nixon help China?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 22, 2017 12:42 PM (xAvrH)

...or asshole Clinton giving them favored nation trade status, and computers, and fucking missile tech.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at June 22, 2017 12:43 PM (aMlLZ)

310 Yep. You don't even need a direct hit to kill someone with 50 BMG. The pressure wave'll kill anyone within 6 feet or so.

Sarcasm?

Posted by: bonhomme at June 22, 2017 12:43 PM (jhqr1)

311 I would think that when you are sniping across two miles you just take the shot. If you hit woo-hoo. If you miss, no one cares.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 22, 2017 11:49 AM (QQ+il)

Well, if you miss, the guys you are shooting at will hear the sonic boom from the bullet itself, or see and hear the impact of the bullet on the terrain. So they will know they are under fire, even if they can't tell from where.

As to a subject being stationary for ten seconds? Seated, a sentry, or standing, having a conversation with a buddy?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2017 12:44 PM (XUcIQ)

312 286 @252 No, sorry. It's a secret.

Srsly, look up "helical flight path" and you'll find some people (1)trying to deal with it ballistically and (2)denying such a thing even exists.

On a humid day at Camp Perry (most days) you can witness it yourself.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 22, 2017 12:36 PM (H5rtT)

OK will do. Much obliged.

Posted by: mx4 at June 22, 2017 12:44 PM (0CAVe)

313 127 i bet he shot a fat guy
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 22, 2017 11:57 AM (h/uSM)

...

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE FAT GUYS ARE THE EASY TARGET OF JOKES AND SNIPERS.

Posted by: BEN ROTEHLISBERGER at June 22, 2017 12:44 PM (yL25O)

314 Canadians and Brits? We must not allow a sniper gap!

Posted by: Buck Turgidson at June 22, 2017 12:44 PM (+azJs)

315 Headshots FTW!

Posted by: Peter North at June 22, 2017 12:45 PM (JO9+V)

316 The Russians had a downright horrific body count during that war. They. Were. Not. Ready.

At the start of the Winter War, Finnish machinegunners literally had to be taken off the line for emotional reasons after killing hundreds of Russians per day in stupid human wave attacks.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 22, 2017 12:46 PM (LTHVh)

317 310 Yep. You don't even need a direct hit to kill someone with 50 BMG. The pressure wave'll kill anyone within 6 feet or so.

Sarcasm?
Posted by: bonhomme at June 22, 2017 12:43 PM (jhqr1)

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Nope. A documetary on the Military Channel covered one of those long range kills in Iraq. Went into really gorey detail about how the round from the US countersniper took out the insurgent he was aiming at as well as his spotter in the same room. 50 BMG's a scary as hell round.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 12:46 PM (Mfkgn)

318 Clooney just picked up a quarter of a billion dollars.

You realize that George Clooney is going to run for President right?

Posted by: simplemind at June 22, 2017 12:47 PM (9XzCv)

319 All this tells me is that a) America needs to step up their game or that b) America is publicizing their kills.

Posted by: Hack at June 22, 2017 12:47 PM (SXiX3)

320 I'm dubious of Russian claims,and not only for female snipers.They used the tiny fraction of women combatants for a lot of propaganda value.

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 12:47 PM (rmVvL)

321 316 The Russians had a downright horrific body count during that war. They. Were. Not. Ready.

At the start of the Winter War, Finnish machinegunners literally had to be taken off the line for emotional reasons after killing hundreds of Russians per day in stupid human wave attacks.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 22, 2017 12:46 PM (LTHVh)

And Fins being famously touchy-feely

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 12:47 PM (+azJs)

322 Well, if you miss, the guys you are shooting at will hear the sonic boom
from the bullet itself, or see and hear the impact of the bullet on the
terrain. So they will know they are under fire, even if they can't tell
from where.

But you are two miles away, so who cares?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 22, 2017 12:47 PM (LTHVh)

323 Didn't feel one way or the other about the war and all, but never got over what happened to the dogs. We live in a new age. War dogs in those days did not make it home.

Driving to work today on the freeway, mother duck and her ducklings appear from under the wheels of the vehicle in front of me, walking in a cute little row. I think I missed them, but I'm not naive, I know they were harmed by cars behind me.

Shook me up. Poor little ducks.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 22, 2017 12:47 PM (jhqr1)

324 Liudmyla Mykhailivna Pavlychenko was a Soviet (actually Ukrainian) woman sniper who took out 309 Nazis during WWWII

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killed, not dated.

right?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 22, 2017 12:47 PM (h/uSM)

325 The scene near the end of Full Metal Jacket where the sniper is keeping them pinned down nailed what a real combat sniper does.

It also showed why that's a bad idea, unless you have lots of support. They will come get you eventually.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 12:47 PM (39g3+)

326 This appears to be using the correct weapon and bullet. The shot took 9.08 seconds to arrive, was over 200ft above the line of sight at the middle of its flight, and the shooter had to aim almost 5deg above the line of sight.
Posted by: kwan3217 at June 22, 2017 12:37 PM (xJn6H)

...

Does the adjustment of the scope relative to bore even permit that on a standard setup?

Posted by: TexasDan at June 22, 2017 12:47 PM (yL25O)

327 Know a guy who knows Rob Furlong. He said he missed with the first shot. They stood around trying to figure out why the ground kicked up like that.

In some other cases, people stand around looking at the victim, and there is a follow-up opportunity. That's not just in the movies.

Sarcasm? Why not eliminate the middle-man here, and just kill them with sarcasm? It's shock cone is even wider! If you use big-bore sarcasm...

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 22, 2017 12:47 PM (H5rtT)

328 "The Russians had a downright horrific body count during that war. "

Quantity itself becomes a quality.*

*Shit the guy ordering human wave attacks said

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2017 12:48 PM (J+eG2)

329 319 All this tells me is that a) America needs to step up their game or that b) America is publicizing their kills.
Posted by: Hack at June 22, 2017 12:47 PM (SXiX3

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Someone upthread mentioned that the US no longer certifies long range kills. They don't want the opposition to know the max range.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 12:48 PM (Mfkgn)

330 i bet he shot a fat guy

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I never find fat shaming jokes funny.

- Chubble Clinton

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 22, 2017 12:49 PM (Nwg0u)

331 Nood

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 12:49 PM (rmVvL)

332 Long shot. Are the Canadian ROEs for snipers different to US?

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable, covfefe moron at June 22, 2017 12:49 PM (9MlEz)

333 And George Clooney would probably win. He's good looking, has an attractive wife. He's not a politician and has name recognition. (and no; I wouldn't vote for him)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 22, 2017 12:49 PM (qES5k)

334 As to a subject being stationary for ten seconds? Seated, a sentry, or standing, having a conversation with a buddy?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2017 12:44 PM (XUcIQ)

...

Or you shoot at a crowd?

Posted by: TexasDan at June 22, 2017 12:49 PM (yL25O)

335 299 281 Some of you are fixated that his was a head shot. More than likely the shooter was aiming at the torso at two miles. A kill is a kill whether it was a head shot or not.

I knew a couple of snipers in Vietnam and they almost never took head shots. They aimed for the heart.

Y'all have been watching too many movies.
Posted by: Soona at June 22, 2017 12:34 PM (Fmupd)

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Yep. You don't even need a direct hit to kill someone with 50 BMG. The pressure wave'll kill anyone within 6 feet or so.
Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 12:39 PM (Mfkgn)

I've read all the comments. I don't think anyone was fixated on a head shot. was a head shot even mentioned?

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 22, 2017 12:50 PM (9GhFt)

336 And Fins being famously touchy-feely

Exactly. I download a good documentary on the winter war called 'Fire and Ice: The Winter War of Finland and Russia'. I think it's available on YouTube.

I particularly liked The Battle of the Sausages.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 22, 2017 12:50 PM (LTHVh)

337 325 The scene near the end of Full Metal Jacket where the sniper is keeping them pinned down nailed what a real combat sniper does.

It also showed why that's a bad idea, unless you have lots of support. They will come get you eventually.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 12:47 PM (39g3+)

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Yeah, not the best tactic for lone VC guerillas.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 12:51 PM (Mfkgn)

338 324 Liudmyla Mykhailivna Pavlychenko was a Soviet (actually Ukrainian) woman sniper who took out 309 Nazis during WWWII

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killed, not dated.

right?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 22, 2017 12:47 PM (h/uSM)

She wrote them letters asking for money so she could buy a plane ticket, and then brought her "brother" along.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 12:51 PM (+azJs)

339 Probably a Schmidt-Bender PMII 5x25 scope with a Horus H59 reticle. You can get a spotting scope with matching reticle. Horus ballistic software, and you've got a great extreme long range setup. Of course the scope alone will set you back $4500, and again for the spotter glass.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at June 22, 2017 12:52 PM (O9qtX)

340 You realize that George Clooney is going to run for President right?

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I, for one, would kill for an Islamic first lady.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 22, 2017 12:52 PM (Nwg0u)

341 The scene near the end of Full Metal Jacket where the sniper is keeping them pinned down nailed what a real combat sniper does. Wound one guy: his buddies either go help him or they stay stationary. If you wanna get nasty and try to flush em, keep wounding the wounded guy.
Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 12:43 PM (Mfkgn

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A sniper is more a psychological weapon than a killing one. Even if they don't kill anyone they can still pin down whole groups of the enemy. Cover and concealment is probably more of a sniper's game than the actual shooting.

When you don't know where those bullets are coming from, it's very demoralizing.

Posted by: Soona at June 22, 2017 12:52 PM (Fmupd)

342 JTF 2 has got some of the best shooters in the world. They are the other half of the 1st Special Service Force descendants. The lineage of The Black Devils is in good hands there.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at June 22, 2017 12:52 PM (Q8iGK)

343 328 "The Russians had a downright horrific body count during that war. "

Quantity itself becomes a quality.*

*Shit the guy ordering human wave attacks said
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2017 12:48 PM (J+eG2)

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I submit that the human wave attacks of the opening stages Barbarossa if not for Nazi stupidity in their conquered territory and Hitler's micromanagment might have done in the Soviets.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 12:53 PM (Mfkgn)

344 334 As to a subject being stationary for ten seconds? Seated, a sentry, or standing, having a conversation with a buddy?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2017 12:44 PM (XUcIQ)

...

Or you shoot at a crowd?
Posted by: TexasDan at June 22, 2017 12:49 PM (yL25O)

Heh. I always wondered how many of these super-long-range kills hit someone other than the intended target, and the sniper team said "That's the guy we were aimin' at, eh?"

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 12:53 PM (+azJs)

345 Andrew McCarthy's perspective

https://www.steynonline.com/7937/fifteen-lawyers-in-search-of-a-crime

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 22, 2017 12:54 PM (VdICR)

346 George Clooney's wife is a Druze. Could explain him selling his vodka mill.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 22, 2017 12:54 PM (H5rtT)

347 As to a subject being stationary for ten seconds? Seated, a sentry, or standing, having a conversation with a buddy?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2017 12:44 PM (XUcIQ)

...

Or you shoot at a crowd?
Posted by: TexasDan

As someone mentioned, possible counter-sniper action.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 12:55 PM (j+h+K)

348 A sniper is more a psychological weapon than a killing one. Even if they don't kill anyone they can still pin down whole groups of the enemy. Cover and concealment is probably more of a sniper's game than the actual shooting.

When you don't know where those bullets are coming from, it's very demoralizing.
Posted by: Soona at June 22, 2017 12:52 PM (Fmupd)

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That scene demonstrated that effect beautifully.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 12:55 PM (Mfkgn)

349 Yep. You don't even need a direct hit to kill someone with 50 BMG. The pressure wave'll kill anyone within 6 feet or so.
Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 12:39 PM (Mfkgn)

I've read all the comments. I don't think anyone was fixated on a head shot. was a head shot even mentioned?
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 22, 2017 12:50 PM (9GhFt)

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Then you need to read the comments again.

Posted by: Soona at June 22, 2017 12:56 PM (Fmupd)

350 I don't see how that's possible unless he's asleep
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Sitting down eating

or

taking a dump.

None of these things are safe activities when snipers are aboot, eh.

Which is why it is so demoralizing. Eh.

Posted by: simplemind at June 22, 2017 12:56 PM (kd2At)

351 At least we're good at something :+)

Posted by: CanaDave at June 22, 2017 12:58 PM (3XNTK)

352 Probably a Schmidt-Bender PMII 5x25 scope with a Horus H59 reticle. You can get a spotting scope with matching reticle. Horus ballistic software, and you've got a great extreme long range setup. Of course the scope alone will set you back $4500, and again for the spotter glass.

Chump change when you've been buying $700 shitter seats.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 12:59 PM (j+h+K)

353 The Russians had a downright horrific body count during that war. They. Were. Not. Ready.

The General was a political pick too, he was completely incompetent.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 01:01 PM (39g3+)

354 353 The Russians had a downright horrific body count during that war. They. Were. Not. Ready.

The General was a political pick too, he was completely incompetent.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 01:01 PM (39g3+)

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It was definately an "Oh Shit" moment or should have been for the Russians. Stalin was lucky he just exiled Zhukov to the Chinese border. I don't think there was anyone who could have stepped in for him.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 01:05 PM (Mfkgn)

355
The General was a political pick too, he was completely incompetent.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 01:01 PM (39g3+)

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Stalin's purging of the officer class pretty much stripped the military of most of it's leaders.

Stalin was a very stupid and paranoid person.

Posted by: Soona at June 22, 2017 01:06 PM (Fmupd)

356 Why do we not yet have laser rifles? That would work instantaneously, and neither wind speed nor barometric pressure would have an effect.

Air defracts lasers, plus there's a bloom effect as the air catches fire around it. even pulsed, lasers of any real power are really tough to use in atmosphere. That, and to get enough power to be deadly you need a pretty huge machine and power source to fire it.
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Which is why what you really want is a plasma rifle.

In the 40 watt range.

Posted by: simplemind at June 22, 2017 01:08 PM (a4azY)

357 288
That's some great PR there, naming a fighter after the graceful, nimble buffalo.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 22, 2017 12:36 PM (Nwg0u)

I always wondered who came up with that idea. You had the Spitfire, the Lightning, the Wildcat, the Mustang... and the Buffalo.

Posted by: rickl at June 22, 2017 01:10 PM (xjiRE)

358 We should extend a bit of thanks to the many target who voluntaried themselves to make these records possible.

Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at June 22, 2017 01:17 PM (e8kgV)

359 337
325 The scene near the end of Full Metal Jacket where the sniper is
keeping them pinned down nailed what a real combat sniper does.

It also showed why that's a bad idea, unless you have lots of support. They will come get you eventually.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 22, 2017 12:47 PM (39g3+)

================================================

Yeah, not the best tactic for lone VC guerillas.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 12:51 PM (Mfkgn)

Exfil from the original firing position to one overlooking it. Take out one Marine who goes after the original position. Exfil to an alternate position. Live to fight another day.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 22, 2017 01:17 PM (jK8Z7)

360 That's some great PR there, naming a fighter after the graceful, nimble buffalo.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 22, 2017 12:36 PM (Nwg0u)

I always wondered who came up with that idea. You had the Spitfire, the Lightning, the Wildcat, the Mustang... and the Buffalo.

Posted by: rickl at June 22, 2017 01:10 PM (xjiRE)

Presumably they were painted white for camouflage purposes.

Posted by: Ted Nugent at June 22, 2017 01:18 PM (jK8Z7)

361 Exfil from the original firing position to one overlooking it. Take out one Marine who goes after the original position. Exfil to an alternate position. Live to fight another day.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 22, 2017 01:17 PM (jK8Z7)

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Yep, lone snipers survive by being mobile.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2017 01:20 PM (Mfkgn)

362 The General was a political pick too, he was completely incompetent.

Sounds like the FBI!

Posted by: Agitator at June 22, 2017 01:24 PM (wacOo)

363 10 Are they available to go to Gettysburg on July 1?
Posted by: bicentennialguy at June 22, 2017 11:38 AM (vg8iE)

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They might have a minor scheduling conflict. Although July 1 is the first day of the Battle of Gettysburg, this year it also marks the sesquicentennial of the formation of the Dominion of Canada. So there will be lots of events back home.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at June 22, 2017 01:45 PM (U1N4j)

364 I recall that in aeronautics, "hypersonic" generally means Mach 5+. I think the correct term here is "supersonic", Mach 1+, unless these guys are shooting railguns.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 22, 2017 01:52 PM (xGt2P)

365 Next time I hear some blowhard puffing his chest out claiming the Leftists can't shoot or don't own guns, I'll remind him of this article.

Posted by: Muns at June 22, 2017 02:07 PM (rcPE9)

366 364 I recall that in aeronautics, "hypersonic" generally means Mach 5+. I think the correct term here is "supersonic", Mach 1+, unless these guys are shooting railguns.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 22, 2017 01:52 PM (xGt2P)

Yeah, it's not hypersonic. A hypersonic bullet would have arrived on target in two seconds.

The rifle would have a hell of a kick, too.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 02:12 PM (+azJs)

367 I'm glad I don't have to face these guys.. I will be nicer to Canadians in the future. They can't help being stupid wusses...

Posted by: macleod at June 22, 2017 02:18 PM (I7blG)

368 365 Next time I hear some blowhard puffing his chest out claiming the Leftists can't shoot or don't own guns, I'll remind him of this article.
Posted by: Muns at June 22, 2017 02:07 PM (rcPE9)

Most guys in the Canadian Forces combat units aren't exactly political progressives.

Just so you know.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at June 22, 2017 02:20 PM (CPk08)

369
"The shooter had to consider wind, temp, humidity, elevation and .....
wait for it ..... the rotation of the planet. All of those LD shots are
a combination of talent and science. Awsome job by the shooter."

no, rotation of planet wouldn't matter. The shooter was stationary on the planet, as was the target. Therefore, shooter, rifle, bullet, and target all had the same velocity due to rotation of planet.

Posted by: pete at June 22, 2017 02:30 PM (meg+g)

370 "somebody around you gets shot"

And with .50 BMG, he's not just a little bit shot.

Posted by: Occasional Reader at June 22, 2017 02:33 PM (HddEk)

371 #27: "In "Hurt Locker," a couple EOD techs just pick up a Barrett rifle ..."

Not implausible. EOD techs routinely train on, and use, Barret M107s to "bip" explosive devices.

Posted by: Occasional Reader at June 22, 2017 02:39 PM (HddEk)

372 367 I'm glad I don't have to face these guys.. I will be nicer to Canadians in the future. They can't help being stupid wusses...
Posted by: macleod at June 22, 2017 02:18 PM (I7blG)

They still won't tip, though.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 02:56 PM (+azJs)

373 369
"The shooter had to consider wind, temp, humidity, elevation and .....
wait for it ..... the rotation of the planet. All of those LD shots are
a combination of talent and science. Awsome job by the shooter."

no, rotation of planet wouldn't matter. The shooter was stationary on the planet, as was the target. Therefore, shooter, rifle, bullet, and target all had the same velocity due to rotation of planet.
Posted by: pete at June 22, 2017 02:30 PM (meg+g)

Not true: https://thearmsguide.com/5329/external-ballistics-the-coriolis-effect-6-theory-section/

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 02:58 PM (+azJs)

374 This
stuff cracks me up! How many shots do you think he took? It's funny
they never mention the part that he walked it in by plopping ten rounds
in the area, until one hitthe guy.. Just think what the minutes of
angle are at 3540 meters.. It's gotta be like a twenty foot circle....
It's like shooting a ground hog at 800 meters with a 7.62mm (about 12
twelve inches minute of angle).. No matter how much you adjust, it comes
down to minutes of angle, you will still have a error ellipse... It's
just luck if one hits the target... You have better luck with a M60..
Kind of doing the same thing.. Walking it in slower with a single shot
though... I
read that "curvature of the earth comment too"... What a crock.. Sniper
junkies, and tech weasels putting to much science behind ballistics...

Cool shot, but not what the article imagines it to be.

- Old Sniper

Posted by: Rob at June 22, 2017 05:11 PM (9rjbw)

375 Click this link for a ballistics table:

https://tinyurl.com/y9cbrjqn

This chart is computed using Hornady Amax with a G1 BC of 1.05 at 2,900 feet per second and standard temperature and pressure. The flight time to 3,775 yards is 8 seconds, terminal energy is about 1,300 ft lbs with a 63 mil holdover. There was time to take the shot, recover from recoil and wait for the splash. I would be surprised if the target was anything more than a tiny moving blob at that distance. There must have been a spotter closer in to call the impacts.

Posted by: Richard at June 22, 2017 06:31 PM (Qkzna)

376 "I'm telling you Achmed, I was standing there minding my own goat's business and Mohammed's head just disappeared - POOF!"

Posted by: Tom at June 25, 2017 07:34 PM (jOSqt)

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