A Victory For Free Speech

The left has been trying to embed the "hate speech is not free speech" meme into the national consciousness for at least the last couple of years. Well, yesterday, SCOTUS handed down a decision that addressed this very issue.

The case centered on Oregon-based, Asian-American band The Slants, which was denied a trademark because its name was considered offensive. The band countered that the 70-year-old law at issue violates free-speech rights -- and Justice Samuel Alito, in the court’s opinion, agreed.

And here is the result:

And the good part? It was an 8-0(!) decision. Even the Court's far left contingent agreed.

So progressives can just suck it.

Here's the only sour note:

Alito cautioned in his opinion that the government still “has an interest in preventing speech expressing ideas that offend.”

I haven't read the opinion, so I don't know the context of this statement, but it reminds me of my one and only beef with conservative jurisprudence, i.e. sometimes it conserves too much. That is, it sounds like the ruling was based on extremely narrow grounds that will provide progressives many opportunities for relitigation. Like Obergefell. If by some miracle it had gone 5-4 our way, the progressives would have been back within a year with another homosexual marriage case from another state, and they wouldn't have given up until they got the decision they wanted. Then BAM!, now it's settled law and any subsequent challenge is a violation of "precedent."

The end result always seems to be that progressive victories become permanent, but conservative ones rarely do so.

Second look at conservative judicial activism?

Posted by: OregonMuse at 11:31 AM

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1 Second look at conservative judicial activism?
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Yes.

Posted by: shibumi at June 21, 2017 11:33 AM (aT+Bx)

2 The pull quote is in the highlighted section. Looks like a summation of the other side's view rather than an expression of support.

Posted by: Bearking at June 21, 2017 11:33 AM (T//R4)

3 What is so wrong about 'The Slants'? Is that derogatory? I don't get it.

Posted by: IC at June 21, 2017 11:33 AM (a0IVu)

4 first??

Posted by: fixerupper at June 21, 2017 11:34 AM (8XRCm)

5 I need to ponder naming my new all grrlll band....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2017 11:34 AM (PY9jH)

6 8-0? Who abstained? Or was in the can?

Posted by: josephistan at June 21, 2017 11:34 AM (7HtZB)

7 3 What is so wrong about 'The Slants'? Is that derogatory? I don't get it.
Posted by: IC at June 21, 2017 11:33 AM

They're Asian... so slanted eyes?

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 21, 2017 11:34 AM (nwSZy)

8 6
8-0? Who abstained? Or was in the can?

Posted by: josephistan at June 21, 2017 11:34 AM (7HtZB)
I think Gorsuch, right?

Posted by: IC at June 21, 2017 11:35 AM (a0IVu)

9 That ruling might give pause to the TrigglyPuffs of Academentia.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 21, 2017 11:35 AM (J+eG2)

10 Zod shops at the same Safeway that Judge Alito does, and will inform the judge that I reserve the right to inform him that the express lane means 15 grocery items, not 16, SCOTUS judge or no.

Posted by: General Zod at June 21, 2017 11:35 AM (Bdeb0)

11 I need to ponder naming my new all grrlll band....
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2017 11:34 AM (PY9jH)

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The Charcoals??

Posted by: fixerupper at June 21, 2017 11:35 AM (8XRCm)

12 Would the left have screamed if a black group had named their band The N******?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2017 11:35 AM (PY9jH)

13 Gorsuch did not participate in ruling as he was not there for the case.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 21, 2017 11:36 AM (J+eG2)

14 I need to ponder naming my new all grrlll band....
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2017 11:34 AM

I'm not sure what triggers a ban here, so I'm not biting the bait.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 21, 2017 11:36 AM (nwSZy)

15 My band name would be DAC.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 21, 2017 11:36 AM (9GhFt)

16 12 Would the left have screamed if a black group had named their band The N******?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2017 11:35 AM (PY9jH)

It's been done - That's what the "N" in "NWA" stood for.

Posted by: josephistan at June 21, 2017 11:36 AM (7HtZB)

17 I need to ponder naming my new all grrlll band...."

The Cured Driveways?

Posted by: Reggie Love... at June 21, 2017 11:36 AM (MINbv)

18 I would imagine the case was heard before Gorsuch joined the Court, so 8-0.

Yay for free speech. It's time we had some good news from the courts.

And DUUUUUUUKE - if you are here - congratulations!!!! That's the best news I've heard in a while. Since Insomniac got some work, and hopefully more on the way.

Posted by: bluebell - mangiamo! at June 21, 2017 11:36 AM (sBOL1)

19 Maybe the justices just really liked the band. Why not?
its as good a legal reason as many of the opinions they've offered recently

Posted by: Pep at June 21, 2017 11:37 AM (f6M16)

20 The pull quote is in the highlighted section. Looks like a summation of the other side's view rather than an expression of support.

Posted by: Bearking at June 21, 2017 11:33 AM (T//R4)

That's how I read it, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2017 11:37 AM (XUcIQ)

21 7
They're Asian... so slanted eyes?

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 21, 2017 11:34 AM (nwSZy)
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Among other parts.

Posted by: Sherlock at June 21, 2017 11:37 AM (l4aLi)

22 12 Would the left have screamed if a black group had named their band The N******?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2017 11:35 AM (PY9jH)

Ever heard of NWA?

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 21, 2017 11:37 AM (9GhFt)

23 They're Asian... so slanted eyes?
Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 21, 2017 11:34 AM (nwSZy)

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Wait.

The Federal Governement was trying to tell Orientals that THEY could not use the name Slants for a band name???

Talk about overeach. How the hell did this make it all the way to the Supremes??

Posted by: fixerupper at June 21, 2017 11:37 AM (8XRCm)

24 What is so wrong about 'The Slants'? Is that derogatory? I don't get it.
Posted by: IC at June 21, 2017 11:33 AM

They're Asian... so slanted eyes?
Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 21, 2017 11:34 AM (nwSZy)

It would be like an Irish band calling themselves "The Pogues."

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2017 11:38 AM (TOk1P)

25 They're Asian... so slanted eyes?

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 21, 2017 11:34 AM (nwSZy)
-----------------------They'll need to take that up with Gaiaia, Jove, Jehova, Nature, or such.

Posted by: Undocumented at June 21, 2017 11:38 AM (SsblQ)

26 Alito got it exactly correct, and it's not something that is based on very narrow grounds.

Here, from the Fox News article cited:

Alito cautioned in his opinion that the government still "has an interest in preventing speech expressing ideas that offend."

But he suggested the clause in question was too sweeping: "The clause reaches any trademark that disparages any person, group, or institution. It applies to trademarks like the following: 'Down with racists,' 'Down with sexists,' 'Down with homophobes.' It is not an anti-discrimination clause; it is a happy-talk clause. In this way, it goes much further than is necessary to serve the interest asserted."

This is just right. Government can certainly have an interest, but the kicker is the level of scrutiny required to infringe on a right. It's why, for instance, we can't claim 1st Amendment protection to blab about classified information to the NYT (Sorry, Mr. Comey).

For this case, strict scrutiny is absolutely required and Alito held to it. That isn't narrow, IMO.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 21, 2017 11:38 AM (PFy0L)

27 If a State University has speech rules in place which conflict with this ruling.........

Or, if a University accepts ANY federal funds, could this ruling become problematic for the No Hate Speech crowd?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 21, 2017 11:38 AM (J+eG2)

28 Among other parts."

So, Vulcan?

Posted by: Reggie Love... at June 21, 2017 11:38 AM (MINbv)

29 The pull quote is in the highlighted section. Looks like a summation of the other side's view rather than an expression of support.

Posted by: Bearking at June 21, 2017 11:33 AM (T//R4)

That's how I read it, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2017 11:37 AM (XUcIQ)
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That quote is from the 1929 decision, not the current one.

Posted by: bluebell - mangiamo! at June 21, 2017 11:39 AM (sBOL1)

30 And the good part? It was an 8-0(!) decision.

CNN: This really wasn't a win for the right because it should have been 9-0.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 21, 2017 11:39 AM (493sH)

31 This is a bigger deal than you might think. It's, basically, the counter argument to the snowflakes who insist that free speech does not extend language that could make someone uncomfortable.

Essentially, 99.9999% of their argument is null and void. The fraction remaining cannot be articulated rationally.

Posted by: Orson at June 21, 2017 11:39 AM (EKutk)

32 No ,the government should have no interest in preventing speech that offends.Just about any damn thing you say offends someone,where does it end?

Posted by: steevy at June 21, 2017 11:39 AM (rmVvL)

33 Or a Swedish band calling themselves the icebacks.

Posted by: Pep at June 21, 2017 11:39 AM (f6M16)

34 23, Posted by: fixerupper at June 21, 2017 11:37 AM (8XRCm)

That is what I am wondering too. I am Asian and I make fun of Asian drivers all the time, especially the women - mainly because most of us do suck - is that going to be labeled hate speech too?

Posted by: IC at June 21, 2017 11:39 AM (a0IVu)

35 Daniel Snyder is smiling today.

Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2017 11:39 AM (9TU00)

36 "Here's the only sour note:"

Notice how that quote is EXACTLY the same as the one you highlighted? Nine will get you ten that's what the reporter is citing, and, as is customary with reporters, he was too stupid to actually understand it.

Posted by: JSchuler at June 21, 2017 11:39 AM (YsGL+)

37 A band named Round Eyes would be considered racist if it was made up of just white guys.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 21, 2017 11:39 AM (9GhFt)

38 I saw Cured Driveways open for Cobblestone Curb at the Sunrise Drive-In in '85

Posted by: Under Fire at June 21, 2017 11:39 AM (l4aLi)

39 We'll see about that!

Posted by: Bat Wielding Lesbians of Evergreen State College at June 21, 2017 11:40 AM (qJhUV)

40
Now the Washington Redskins can continue to offend 93,000,000 Americans daily.

Posted by: Chelshire Clinton at June 21, 2017 11:40 AM (HTdUD)

41 I need to ponder naming my new all grrlll band....

The Witches?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 21, 2017 11:40 AM (Ak/GS)

42 What is so wrong about 'The Slants'? Is that derogatory? I don't get it.

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Public education has been woefully inadequate in teaching racial slurology.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 21, 2017 11:40 AM (Nwg0u)

43 Now they can work on their new album "Chinks in the Armor."

Posted by: Pug Mahon at June 21, 2017 11:41 AM (RwwCT)

44 Imagine what conservative goals we could have achieved had we pursued them through conservative activist judges?

I would love to live in a world where the Judicial Branch didnt make public policy, but it's never coming back because it works for liberals.

So instead of always playing defense on the judiciary, maybe its time we play offense?

Posted by: publix at June 21, 2017 11:41 AM (IvLMO)

45 >>35
Daniel Snyder is smiling today. Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2017 11:39 AM (9TU00)

And how.

Posted by: General Zod at June 21, 2017 11:41 AM (Bdeb0)

46 Now the Washington Redskins can continue to offend 93,000,000 Americans daily.
Posted by: Chelshire Clinton at June 21, 2017 11:40 AM (HTdUD)

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Wait.... isnt that the same number that is supposed to die today in gun violence???

Posted by: fixerupper at June 21, 2017 11:41 AM (8XRCm)

47 So progressives can just suck it.

Now one of my favorite statements of all time. Well done!

Posted by: Sponge at June 21, 2017 11:41 AM (xttKs)

48 13 Screaming N****** from the 60's I think. Southern r&b frat band. Toured with or around Doug Clark and the Hot Nuts.

Posted by: free tibet with purchase of equal or great value tibet at June 21, 2017 11:41 AM (U4PcL)

49 Incitement to riot

Solicitation to murder

Screaming FIRE in a crowded theater when there is no fire

All these are now "free speech," right??

What's the difference? Just words, right?

We'll be doing all that onstage with my new band, The Chinks.

Posted by: borne to sewn at June 21, 2017 11:41 AM (dfEoR)

50 8-0? Who abstained? Or was in the can?

I think Gorsuch. It was heard before he was appointed.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 21, 2017 11:41 AM (Ak/GS)

51
Now listen up you crazy tea party Hobbits...

This country should be about love of their fellow man not hate.....we need to stop building walls and start welcoming Muslim refugees with open arms.

Now lets put some f*cking boots on the ground somewhere and start killing people.

Posted by: John McCain...softly crying in the Senate cloakroom at June 21, 2017 11:42 AM (huFxi)

52 34 23, Posted by: fixerupper at June 21, 2017 11:37 AM (8XRCm)

That is what I am wondering too. I am Asian and I make fun of Asian drivers all the time, especially the women - mainly because most of us do suck - is that going to be labeled hate speech too?
Posted by: IC at June 21, 2017 11:39 AM (a0IVu)

You guys proved this year you can drive an oval real good though.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 21, 2017 11:42 AM (9GhFt)

53 Or a Swedish band calling themselves the icebacks."

Or a Canukistadian band naming themselves after a US five cent coin...

Posted by: Reggie Love... at June 21, 2017 11:42 AM (MINbv)

54 So is "Buffalo Soldiers" hateful or laudatory?

Posted by: RioBravo at June 21, 2017 11:42 AM (SsblQ)

55 I have known Asian guys who referred to themselves as Twinkies.Yellow on the outside and white on the inside,Damn racists.

Posted by: steevy at June 21, 2017 11:42 AM (rmVvL)

56 8-0? Who abstained? Or was in the can?

Posted by: josephistan at June 21, 2017 11:34 AM

Gorsuch. It was argued before he was seated, iirc.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 21, 2017 11:43 AM (p+Wdc)

57 Incitement to riot

Solicitation to murder

Screaming FIRE in a crowded theater when there is no fire

All these are now "free speech," right??

What's the difference? Just words, right?

We'll be doing all that onstage with my new band, The Chinks.
Posted by: borne to sewn

publishing purloined, classified data that gets people killed .... oh snap

Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2017 11:43 AM (9TU00)

58 >>Doug Clark and the Hot Nuts. Posted by: free tibet with purchase of equal or great value tibet at June 21, 2017 11:41 AM (U4PcL)

Wow, there's a blast from the past. Saw them play at a college party back in the 80s!

Posted by: General Zod at June 21, 2017 11:43 AM (Bdeb0)

59 @34
I was behind a Jeep the other day that had a sticker that said "Caution: Asian driver". Sure enough he was an Asian man. Not only was he a good driver but he clearly had a good sense of humor.

Posted by: Pep at June 21, 2017 11:44 AM (f6M16)

60 The Loons.

Posted by: Candian Ice WOP at June 21, 2017 11:44 AM (l4aLi)

61 12 Would the left have screamed if a black group had named their band The N******?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2017 11:35 AM (PY9jH)
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They didn't seem to have an issue with the group named "NWA."

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at June 21, 2017 11:44 AM (iy6z6)

62 So instead of always playing defense on the judiciary, maybe its time we play offense?

If there's one thing we can do, it's be offensive.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 21, 2017 11:44 AM (SGFoV)

63 I see how this happened: "Oregon-based", so the clown circuit was involved.

Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2017 11:44 AM (9TU00)

64 The New York Times put out an editorial about how this was good for free speech after 3 years of agitating for the Redskins to lose their copyright and be punished for being so awful. Because A JUDGE HAS SPOKEN and that's the voice of God for leftists.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2017 11:44 AM (39g3+)

65 I have known Asian guys who referred to themselves as Twinkies.
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Most young Asians do look ghey. Some sort of gaydar counter-measure.

Posted by: G at June 21, 2017 11:44 AM (SsblQ)

66 52, You guys proved this year you can drive an oval real good though.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 21, 2017 11:42 AM (9GhFt)
Well, there was no parallel parking involved...

Posted by: IC at June 21, 2017 11:45 AM (a0IVu)

67 I anticipate a number of favorable SCOTUS decisions coming down in the near future. And if we're lucky, a retirement opening up another seat as well.

OT, this is just what I suggested last week and it looks like it might happen now:

https://tinyurl.com/y8xl4lmj

Fight fire with fire. Uncover what they are do desperate to hide. They can stash papers at Douchebag's library all they want, but eventually the truth will out.

Posted by: phineas gage at June 21, 2017 11:45 AM (XsVWn)

68 Does this mean a weight watchers trio can call themselves The Fatties?

Posted by: Under Fire at June 21, 2017 11:45 AM (l4aLi)

69 Public education has been woefully inadequate in teaching racial slurology.

Yeah, "Whites" weren't always as unitary as they are now. All sorts of prejudices abounded among ex-Europeans, until racism was cured and we entered this new modern age.

I was at a sort of neighborhood reunion with my dad, 20-some years ago, when an old friend from maybe 3/4 mile away came up and said, in the 30's all the kids called us Hunkies. Man, they were mean. But your dad and his brothers never did that, and I've always respected them for that.

As he walked away, Dad leaned over to me and muttered, "We didn't know what Hunkie meant."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 21, 2017 11:46 AM (H5rtT)

70 There had been a previous ruling striking down hate speech laws so there was already a precedent for this ruling. The other case I remember is a case where they arrested some kluxers for burning a cross. that ruling said hate crime laws are OK, hate speech laws are not. Now there was anothwer case where some kluxers burned a cross in some black guy's yard. That is outright "fighting words" AND is not protected.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 21, 2017 11:46 AM (mpXpK)

71 I think even George Takei before he went nuts joked about an Asian driving the Enterprise.

Posted by: steevy at June 21, 2017 11:46 AM (rmVvL)

72 That is what I am wondering too. I am Asian and I make fun of Asian drivers all the time, especially the women - mainly because most of us do suck - is that going to be labeled hate speech too?
Posted by: IC at June 21, 2017 11:39 AM (a0IVu)

You guys proved this year you can drive an oval real good though.
Posted by: Jack Sock

That's because there was no parallel parking.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 21, 2017 11:46 AM (Ak/GS)

73 Now if the Cleveland Indians would stop being such a bunch of fags and quit trying to phase out the use of Chief Wahoo.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 21, 2017 11:46 AM (Qj2Mo)

74 Many years ago, I had an idea for a sitcom about a Vietnamese family that runs a ski resort.

I was gonna call it "Slopes!"

Posted by: RKae at June 21, 2017 11:46 AM (Ct7LH)

75 55. The preferred term is 'banana.'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 21, 2017 11:47 AM (TwwWO)

76 I guess Sen. Warren is still free to use Liawatha and Fauxcahontis.

Posted by: Roy at June 21, 2017 11:47 AM (7n4KQ)

77 My band would be The Big Dicks.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 21, 2017 11:47 AM (Nwg0u)

78 A repost from last July, on point:

One of the things that makes us Americans and not Europeans has been our commitment to civil liberties, including the right to free speech.

But there's a pernicious movement afoot to read the 14th Amendment right to "liberty" to override things in the Bill of Rights such as the right to free speech. You see, you can't have "liberty" if someone offends you with their speech. This current phase of progressivism is being played out at a college or university near you.

The likes of Obama loves them the 14th Amendment. The rest of the Constitution, not so much.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 21, 2017 11:47 AM (+7/1f)

79 So, The Slants are sort of an Eighties New Wave Retro-thang?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/yc83nj9l

I was picturing a punk band.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 21, 2017 11:47 AM (ul9CR)

80 Imagine this --> Kennedy & Ruthie gone

Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2017 11:47 AM (9TU00)

81 73 Toronto wont allow them to have the logo when they visit the Blue Jays.

Posted by: steevy at June 21, 2017 11:48 AM (rmVvL)

82 And since there is already a precedent for striking down these laws it is not "judicial activism". besides that, I call activism when the court "invents" new constitutional rights that are not there.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 21, 2017 11:48 AM (mpXpK)

83 @ OregonMuse and WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 21, 2017 11:38 AM (PFy0L)

UGH! Alito did not "caution" that some offensive speech might properly be suppressed by the government. The problem here is what happens when people not familiar with the law, legal opinions, or basic reading comprehension write about law. I'm not blaming you two guys although I don't understand WitchDoktor's tendency to believe Alito made such an argument. Also standards of scrutiny have no applicability here.

From the opinion:

"But no matter how the point [the argument in favor of the anti-disparagement clause] is phrased, its unmistakable thrust is this: The Government has an interest in preventing speech expressing ideas that offend. And, as we have explained, that idea strikes at the heart of the First Amendment."

Posted by: Crispian at June 21, 2017 11:48 AM (4JKSc)

84 Free expression of all rights carry with them certain restrictions in any society; its part of the social contract, where you give up some limited non-essential expression of your rights for the stability, safety, and greater freedom of all.

But those limitations must be very limited and for good reason. You cannot deliberately lie to damage someone with your right to free speech, for example.

The general pattern is twofold:
1) All rights are in a hierarchy, so life comes first, then liberty, then property. Expression of a right which limits or damages the expression of a higher right is forbidden.

2) All rights are limited in their expression by damage to other rights; "my right to swing my fist ends at your face" is the way its usually put.

Saying words or having names that some person subjectively might take offense at does not violate anyone's rights, and even if it did, not to a sufficient degree to justify limiting that free expression.

Not only is offense completely subjective -- that is, its all up to the individual and varies from person to person, and is entirely an internal reaction -- but no one, anywhere, has the right to avoid offense.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2017 11:48 AM (39g3+)

85 I remember looking at that guy in Tienanmen Square standing in front of the tank and thinking, "Damn! That's REALLY dangerous! There's an Asian guy driving that tank!"

Posted by: RKae at June 21, 2017 11:48 AM (Ct7LH)

86 "Chinks in the Armor."
Posted by: Pug Mahon

arfg, so I missed the first Chinks reference. o well

decades ago Heard about an old nun teacher who instructed her class
You don't call the Blacks "Niqqers"
You don't call the Mexicans "Wetbacks"
And you don't call the Dagos "wops"

Half the class was Italian.

Posted by: borne to sewn at June 21, 2017 11:48 AM (dfEoR)

87 Didn't the Slants do a remake of "Turning Japanese".

Posted by: Roy at June 21, 2017 11:48 AM (7n4KQ)

88 8-0. I guess the Redskins are in the clear now.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 21, 2017 11:48 AM (LTHVh)

89 3
What is so wrong about 'The Slants'? Is that derogatory? I don't get it.

Posted by: IC at June 21, 2017 11:33 AM (a0IVu)

It is a derogatory term for Asians.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 21, 2017 11:49 AM (mpXpK)

90
Wait.... isnt that the same number that is supposed to die today in gun violence???
Posted by: fixerupper at June 21, 2017 11:41 AM (8XRCm)

Yes but it's still early in the day so many are not dead yet and we don't want to miss the opportunity to offend them one last time before they're shot.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 21, 2017 11:49 AM (lKyWE)

91 My band would be The Big Dicks.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead

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I have a gweat fwiend in Wome with a name something like that!

Posted by: RKae at June 21, 2017 11:49 AM (Ct7LH)

92 Listen to my leetle band, The Carjackers.

Posted by: Jorge Christa Jiminez Lopez at June 21, 2017 11:50 AM (l4aLi)

93 This is FABULOUS, since the Left has been trying to normalize the idea that hate speech is not free speech for years.

No, we are not some European country that monitors and prosecutes "hate speech," and we sure as hell don;t need private companies like facebook and Google getting in on the action (as they are doing overseas, working directly with governments). You just know that had Hillary won, she would be doing this despite any legislative or SCOTUS approval.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 21, 2017 11:50 AM (NOIQH)

94 Didn't the Slants do a remake of "Turning Japanese".
Posted by: Roy

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I really think so.

Posted by: RKae at June 21, 2017 11:50 AM (Ct7LH)

95 Public education has been woefully inadequate in teaching racial slurology.

One of my favorite bits from The Godfather is the "Kraut-Mick bastard" line.

The European-based slurs really need to come back. I blame the Wop-Diego-Limey-Frog alliance, but I'm willing to hear other points of view.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at June 21, 2017 11:50 AM (u0s1P)

96 You don't call the Blacks "Niqqers"

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Who would do that anyway?

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 21, 2017 11:51 AM (GEpFD)

97 For me, the problem is not with the idea that the polity has an interest in calming passions and suppressing descent, it is the practical question of who decides and how great their reach.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 21, 2017 11:51 AM (LTHVh)

98 There have already been bands named Asia, Japan, China Syndrome...there wasn't much left for them to go with.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 21, 2017 11:51 AM (ul9CR)

99 See, I can totally call the President a cockholster, the Supreme Court said so, so there!

Posted by: Steven Colbert at June 21, 2017 11:51 AM (lALnC)

100 Thanks, Bluebell! A great weight has been lifted.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 21, 2017 11:51 AM (kTF2Z)

101 They relied on 1929 precedent??? That's OLD, like back when girls were girls and men were men. Listen mister we could use a man like....

Posted by: SFGoth at June 21, 2017 11:51 AM (dZ756)

102
Didn't the Slants do a remake of "Turning Japanese".
Posted by: Roy at June 21, 2017 11:48 AM (7n4KQ)

No it was "China Girl"

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 21, 2017 11:52 AM (lKyWE)

103 For me, the problem is not with the idea that the polity has an interest in calming passions and suppressing descent, it is the practical question of who decides and how great their reach.

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Well, obvs Democrats get to decide and their reach is unlimited.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 21, 2017 11:52 AM (GEpFD)

104 The Iron Don lied to me.

I am NOT getting tired of winning

Posted by: Blutarski-0.0 at June 21, 2017 11:52 AM (Y6JzV)

105 I guess I can keep on using my lawn sprinkler that goes spic spic spic chink niganiganiga.

Posted by: Roy at June 21, 2017 11:53 AM (7n4KQ)

106 95. Gypsies stole all our best slurs.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 21, 2017 11:53 AM (TwwWO)

107 I'm not blaming you two guys although I don't understand WitchDoktor's tendency to believe Alito made such an argument. Also standards of scrutiny have no applicability here.

Scrutiny absolutely has applicability. Government asserts an interest. That interest infringes on a constitutional right. The court must therefore weight the two and see which is most compelling.

Here there is an undoubted infringement on the 1A, and an assertion of a government interest. Alito correctly is pointing out that even if there is an interest, it does not meet the strict scrutiny standard.

And hey, thanks for not "blaming" me.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 21, 2017 11:53 AM (PFy0L)

108 There have already been bands named Asia, Japan, China Syndrome...there wasn't much left for them to go with.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?

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And Yello. Don't forget that one.

Posted by: RKae at June 21, 2017 11:53 AM (Ct7LH)

109 I guess I can keep on using my lawn sprinkler that goes spic spic spic chink niganiganiga.

Ha!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 21, 2017 11:53 AM (LTHVh)

110 I've heard the Slants' cover of Don McLean's "Stare Stare Decisis."

Posted by: Furious George at June 21, 2017 11:53 AM (j+dfT)

111 "Isn't that just like a wop. Brings a knife to a gunfight"
"Another lyin' member of a thievin' race."

People used to be a lot more calm about this kind of thing in entertainment, because it accurately depicts a time period and adds humor and spice to characters.

Consider the hardware shop scenes in Gran Tourino where Clint teaches the kid how to be a man by slurring everything in sight. Bustin' Balls they used to call it, probably still do in places like Phillie and Southie.

Its fine, until you mean it or are deliberately trying to be harmful, then you're a jerk. Not a felon, not a monster, but a boring a-hole.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2017 11:53 AM (39g3+)

112 Over 100 and nobody mentioned the 'Butth*le Surfers'? Sheesh, my kids used that one on me. I said good band, unfortunate name and deflated their setup.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 21, 2017 11:53 AM (MIKMs)

113 Didn't the Slants do a remake of "Turning Japanese".
Posted by: Roy at June 21, 2017 11:48 AM (7n4KQ)

No it was "China Girl"

I thought it was "Holiday in Cambodia."

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 21, 2017 11:53 AM (SGFoV)

114 Ron Coleman is one of the lawyers for the Slant's case, and an insightful guy to follow on Twitter. He can even be edgy and funny at times. also the lawyer for Legal Insurrection.

@RonColeman

Posted by: illiniwek at June 21, 2017 11:54 AM (Uh5GM)

115 95. Gypsies stole all our best slurs.

***

SJW's believe "Gypsy" is a slur in the first place.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 21, 2017 11:54 AM (GEpFD)

116 All the liberals who think Handel's victory is tainted because she didn't win by a bigger margin think that Hillary somehow "won" because she decimated Trump in the California "popular vote."

Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2017 11:54 AM (7uYFy)

117 95 Public education has been woefully inadequate in teaching racial slurology.

One of my favorite bits from The Godfather is the "Kraut-Mick bastard" line.

Tony Soprano: Tannenbaum. Right. But on your application to Columbia, you didn't check Jewish did you?

Noah Tannenbaum: No. They can't ask about religious affiliation.

Tony Soprano: Oh, right...right...of course...What'd you check?

Noah Tannenbaum: African American.

Tony Soprano: So we do understand each other; you're a ditsoon.

Noah Tannenbaum: Excuse me?

Tony Soprano: A charcoal briquette...a moolinyan.

Noah Tannenbaum: What's your problem?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 21, 2017 11:54 AM (ul9CR)

118 I can imagine, Duke. I can't tell you how delighted I was to see that. I knew you were supposed to get the offer this week. That is really cause for celebration.

*throws confetti everywhere*

(I wish I could send this as an iMessage.)

Posted by: bluebell - mangiamo! at June 21, 2017 11:54 AM (sBOL1)

119 Gypsies stole all our best slurs.

We've been gypped.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 21, 2017 11:55 AM (LTHVh)

120 All the liberals who think Handel's victory is tainted because she didn't win by a bigger margin think that Hillary somehow "won" because she decimated Trump in the California "popular vote."

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Liberals don't think. Well, actually liberals do, but leftists don't.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 21, 2017 11:55 AM (GEpFD)

121 biting the bait.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 21, 2017 11:36 AM (nwSZy)

I saw Biting the Bait open for Infield Grass at Wembley Stadium in 2007.

I got carded at the gate.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 21, 2017 11:55 AM (zKIA2)

122 115. It is. Right up there with 'SJW' or Belgian.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 21, 2017 11:55 AM (TwwWO)

123 Special Snowflakes hit hardest

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2017 11:55 AM (5y11N)

124 Kim Jong Un starts the next "Peace Offensive"

NEW DELHI, June 21 (Yonhap) -- North Korea's top envoy to India on Wednesday offered a conditional moratorium on his country's nuclear and missile tests in an apparent bid to hold talks with the United States.

North Korea Ambassador to India Kye Chun-yong said Pyongyang is willing to talk in terms of freezing its nuclear and missile tests under certain circumstances.

"If our demands is met, we can negotiate in terms of the moratorium of such as weapons testing," Kye said in English in an interview posted on the website of India's television station WION.

He suggested that one of the key demands is the halt of the U.S. joint military drills with South Korea, which Pyongyang denounced as a rehearsal for invasion. Seoul and Washington say their annual exercises are defensive in nature.

South Korea's new President Moon Jae-in said Seoul has no plans to scale back joint military exercises with Washington, according to an interview with U.S. broadcaster CBS.

Moon has dismissed as personal views his adviser's recent remarks in Washington that South Korea and the U.S. may consider scaling back their joint military exercises in exchange for North Korea freezing its nuclear and missile development programs.

Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at June 21, 2017 11:56 AM (e8kgV)

125 I still like George Carlin's take on racial epithets. It's not the words, it's the racist asshole saying them.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 21, 2017 11:56 AM (kTF2Z)

126 71 I think even George Takei before he went nuts joked about an Asian driving the Enterprise.

George knew that Asians drive with their eyes closed.

Posted by: Charlie Chan at June 21, 2017 11:56 AM (fSf/G)

127 115. It is. Right up there with 'SJW' or Belgian.

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There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 21, 2017 11:56 AM (GEpFD)

128 SJW's believe "Gypsy" is a slur in the first place.

Gypsies prefer Rom, but they will use Gypsy as well. Its not so much a slur to them as its gotten such a horrible reputation over the years they want to move away from it, as I understand it. But I'm hardly an expert on the culture.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2017 11:57 AM (39g3+)

129 40
Now the Washington Redskins can continue to offend 93,000,000 Americans daily.
Posted by: Chelshire Clinton at June 21, 2017 11:40 AM (HTdUD)

Who cares? They'll be dead soon anyway.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 21, 2017 11:57 AM (0mRoj)

130
So..... are Confederate Monuments and the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia safe now??

Posted by: fixerupper at June 21, 2017 11:57 AM (8XRCm)

131 Listened to the Slants band link. Not bad, listenable pop. Kind of reminds me of Katrina and the Waves.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2017 11:57 AM (XUcIQ)

132
I saw Biting the Bait open for Infield Grass at Wembley Stadium in 2007.

I got carded at the gate.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 21, 2017 11:55 AM (zKIA2)
I saw you there. I was busy fixing some guys windshield in the parking lot with Elmers glue and spit, but mostly spit.

Posted by: Irish Travellers at June 21, 2017 11:57 AM (l4aLi)

133 In Germany, the police raided 36 homes to arrest people for posting "hate speech" on social media.

http://tinyurl.com/yc8addng

German police rounding people up for expressing opinions that the state opposes. There is precedent for this.

Posted by: V the K at June 21, 2017 11:57 AM (O7MnT)

134 We've been gypped.

That's racist! They gave us the tambourine!

Posted by: Norm McDonald at June 21, 2017 11:58 AM (u0s1P)

135 Gypsies prefer Rom, but they will use Gypsy as well. Its not so much a slur to them as its gotten such a horrible reputation over the years they want to move away from it,

They should just steal a new reputation.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 21, 2017 11:58 AM (Ak/GS)

136 Gypsy as a slur...

Well, Stevie Nicks did her best.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 21, 2017 11:58 AM (ul9CR)

137 Gypsies prefer Rom, but they will use Gypsy as well.

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I was talking about the white knight SJW's who take it upon themselves to be offended on the Gypsies' behalf.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 21, 2017 11:58 AM (GEpFD)

138 Listened to the Slants band link. Not bad, listenable pop. Kind of reminds me of Katrina and the Waves.

Katrina and the Waves makes me feel stabby

German police rounding people up for expressing opinions that the state opposes. There is precedent for this.

Its nostalgic for the Germans

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2017 11:59 AM (39g3+)

139 In Germany, the police raided 36 homes to arrest people for posting "hate speech" on social media.

http://tinyurl.com/yc8addng

German police rounding people up for expressing opinions that the state opposes. There is precedent for this.
Posted by: V the K

You know another German who did that???

Posted by: rickb223 at June 21, 2017 11:59 AM (Ak/GS)

140 FWIW in my opinion Obergefell WAS a conservative decision. It certainly was not a socially-conservative decision, but it properly restrained government power from excluding from the contractual agreement that is a LEGAL marriage (as opposed to the religious ceremony) a class of people without sufficient justification.

Posted by: mx4 at June 21, 2017 11:59 AM (gjDoY)

141 Now the Washington Redskins can continue to offend 93,000,000 Americans daily.
Posted by: Chelshire Clinton

What they never tell is that this is measured by the "person-offended", which is kinda like a man-hour, you could offent 93 million folks, or a million folks 93 times...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 21, 2017 11:59 AM (AM1GF)

142 Kind of reminds me of Katrina and the Waves.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2017 11:57 AM (XUcIQ)

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wew warking on Shunshine yeah yeah

wew warking on Shunshine yeah yeah

wew warking on Shunshine yeah yeah

...and dont it feer goot!!

Posted by: fixerupper at June 21, 2017 11:59 AM (8XRCm)

143 Gypsies prefer Rom, but they will use Gypsy as well.

ROM the Space Knight is awesome. Buy the toys and the comic books.

Posted by: Hasbro and IDW at June 21, 2017 11:59 AM (u0s1P)

144 "Second look at conservative judicial activism?"

Some will be needed in order to clear out the Leftist activism.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Beat the Heat with a Frozen Covfefe from the Outrage Outlet! at June 21, 2017 11:59 AM (hLRSq)

145 It's my fucking right to offend someone.

So eat it progs.

Posted by: mpfs at June 21, 2017 12:00 PM (Vq4VW)

146 "If our demands is met, we can negotiate in terms of the moratorium of such as weapons testing," Kye said in something similar to English......

FIFY

Posted by: beorne two seun at June 21, 2017 12:00 PM (dfEoR)

147 In Germany, the police raided 36 homes to arrest people for posting "hate speech" on social media.

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They do this shit in Britain, too.

...And when the cops are asked why they didn't arrest some terrorist before he blew people up, they say, "We don't have the resources."

Posted by: RKae at June 21, 2017 12:00 PM (Ct7LH)

148 133 Let me guess,anti muslim hate speech right?The muslims watching beheadings on social media are totes fine.

Posted by: steevy at June 21, 2017 12:00 PM (rmVvL)

149 ROM the Space Knight is awesome. Buy the toys and the comic books.

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Well, the Marvel version was. Still not convinced about the IDW version.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 21, 2017 12:01 PM (GEpFD)

150 "has an interest in preventing speech expressing ideas that offend"

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I read this not as an endorsement of that interest, but simply a statement of fact. We live in a broadly democratic system of government. There will be pressure to outlaw unpopular things. Similarly in a totalitarian government, the government has interest in outlawing opinions against the current regime.

Saying that they have an interest doesn't make that the interest is just. And because such interest often works to infringe on the rights of people, that's why we have the first amendment.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 21, 2017 12:01 PM (KUaJL)

151 We seal driveways too.

Posted by: Irish Travellers at June 21, 2017 12:01 PM (l4aLi)

152 it properly restrained government power from excluding from the contractual agreement that is a LEGAL marriage (as opposed to the religious ceremony) a class of people without sufficient justification.

Other than sanity, ethics, reason, and thousands of years of global human culture.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2017 12:01 PM (39g3+)

153 The author of that "falsely" yelling fire in a theater case also wrote this in other cases:

. . . expressions made with the specific intent to cause a criminal harm, or
that threatened a clear and present danger of such harm, could be
punished".

That's back to the fighting words doctrine. This is why I say that all these calls to kill Trump or Republicans in general can be a violation of the law and are not protected speech.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 21, 2017 12:01 PM (mpXpK)

154 I need to ponder naming my new all grrlll band...."

Turn Signal Blinking?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Beat the Heat with a Frozen Covfefe from the Outrage Outlet! at June 21, 2017 12:01 PM (hLRSq)

155 Yeah,the ROM Marvel comic was quite good.

Posted by: steevy at June 21, 2017 12:02 PM (rmVvL)

156 In Germany, the police raided 36 homes to arrest people for posting "hate speech" on social media.

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They do this shit in Britain, too.

Why would German cops raid homes in Britain?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 21, 2017 12:02 PM (Ak/GS)

157 A buddy of mine used to edit a horror magazine, and at one point, he decided to run what he called "an offensive titles" issue. Didn't matter what the story was about, but the title had to be offensive.

My entry was entitled "Mr. Fuck And The Cock-Bite Bitch".

Now that I look at it, doesn't seem all that offensive, but 25 years ago, it was... probably not all that offensive, come to think of it. Guess I just like the rhythm of the phrase.

Just forget I was even here.

Posted by: Meagan McCain at June 21, 2017 12:02 PM (PLsKH)

158 Turn Signal Blinking?
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Beat the Heat with a Frozen Covfefe from the Outrage Outlet! at June 21, 2017 12:01 PM (hLRSq)
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I feel the urge to beat you with a frozen covfefe.

Posted by: bluebell - mangiamo! at June 21, 2017 12:02 PM (sBOL1)

159 So long as the entire edifice of artifice - "levels of scrutiny" and above all "government interest" - is stipulated/accepted, we're disputing irrelevant details.

Of course 1st amendment cases are the clearest in this respect, where "asbolutism" or "purism" might be more accurately translated as "following the clear language of the First Amendment".

If the "government" has an "interest" in something, it can damn well address that via legislation enacted through the constitutional process. If that "interest" runs up against constitutional obstacles, the solution is not to legislate from the bench, effectively amending the constitution (lawlessly). The solution is to amend the constitution.

But I find the very concept of "government interest" antithetical to the spirit and letter of the constitutional system itself - which above all was created as a *system of limiting government power*.

And "levels of scrutiny" is a particularly pernicious and audacious bit of sophistry. Translated, it's "we'll concoct some impressive-sounding framework that provides us terms and fake standards and touchstones with which we will, in effect, write law and amend the constitution, instead of forcing the govt. or various interests in society to effect their legislative ends the legitimate way".

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2017 12:03 PM (QDnY+)

160 Why would German cops raid homes in Britain?

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Tomorrow the world!

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 21, 2017 12:03 PM (GEpFD)

161 I just look forward honoring our former enemies with cool new sports team names. Who wouldn't root for the Tucson Dune Coons?

Posted by: mx4 at June 21, 2017 12:03 PM (gjDoY)

162 So, we are diverging from Canada, which is going to make improper use of pronouns a crime.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 21, 2017 12:03 PM (7ZVPa)

163
And DUUUUUUUKE - if you are here -
congratulations!!!! That's the best news I've heard in a while. Since
Insomniac got some work, and hopefully more on the way.

Posted by: bluebell - mangiamo! at June 21, 2017 11:36 AM (sBOL1)

Congrats Duke!

I missed the Insomniac work news! Where, what, who?!
Congrats Insomniac...so happy for you!!

Posted by: Tami at June 21, 2017 12:03 PM (Enq6K)

164 Well, the Marvel version was. Still not convinced about the IDW version.

No! It's all connected now, and forcing existing G.I. Joe and Transformers plotlines and backstories together with MASK and everything else we own is the BEST IDEA EVER, you h8r.

Posted by: Hasbro and IDW at June 21, 2017 12:03 PM (u0s1P)

165 Check out the propaganda being pumped into the stew by Youtube today. There's an icon to click on for it right up by the youtube logo at the top left:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxbdvo2vFwc

You'll puke watching this pure poz propaganda.

Rapping refugees 'n shit.

Then check out the comments. Oh yeah they're censoring downvotes and removing negative comments too just like the good fascists they are.

We're going to win eventually. When they have to censor the truth, we'll win in the long run.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 21, 2017 12:03 PM (4ErVI)

166 139 In Germany, the police raided 36 homes to arrest people for posting "hate speech" on social media.

http://tinyurl.com/yc8addng

German police rounding people up for expressing opinions that the state opposes. There is precedent for this.
Posted by: V the K

You know another German who did that???
Posted by: rickb223 at June 21, 2017 11:59 AM (Ak/GS)

Merkel! Oh wait...

Posted by: Insomniac at June 21, 2017 12:03 PM (0mRoj)

167
I need to ponder naming my new all grrlll band...."

The Fender Benders

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 21, 2017 12:03 PM (lKyWE)

168 Now if the Cleveland Indians would stop being such a bunch of fags and quit trying to phase out the use of Chief Wahoo.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 21, 2017 11:46 AM (Qj2Mo)

They're transitioning it from Chief Wahoo to a picture of Liz Warren

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 21, 2017 12:03 PM (493sH)

169 In Germany, the police raided 36 homes to arrest people for posting "hate speech" on social media.

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They do this shit in Britain, too.

Why would German cops raid homes in Britain?
Posted by: rickb223

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Why do you think Brexit won?

Posted by: RKae at June 21, 2017 12:04 PM (Ct7LH)

170 Wait.

The Federal Governement was trying to tell Orientals that THEY could not use the name Slants for a band name???

Talk about overeach. How the hell did this make it all the way to the Supremes??

Posted by: fixerupper at June 21, 2017 11:37 AM (8XRCm)

++++

Not quite. The feds were saying that they would not protect the term as a trademark for the band. Normally, if someone tries to infringe on someone else's trademark, like say the one The Packers hold for their football team, the holder can sue them for the infringement. So, I can't get away with selling Packers football jerseys. Without that protection, anyone could sell that merchandise.

The Slants wanted to trademark their band name. The feds said no, you offend us.

SCOTUS told the feds to shut their pieholes and register the trademark.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 21, 2017 12:04 PM (FUu/Z)

171 "Scrutiny absolutely has applicability. Government asserts an interest. That interest infringes on a constitutional right. The court must therefore weight the two and see which is most compelling. "

Fun fact; the word "interest" does not appear in the Constitution. Nor does "weigh," "weight," or "weighing," except in Article I, Section 8, with respect to standardizing weights and measures.

So, Imma gonna call bullshit. You lawyers can all bite me.

Posted by: JSchuler at June 21, 2017 12:04 PM (YsGL+)

172 it properly restrained government power from excluding from the contractual agreement that is a LEGAL marriage (as opposed to the religious ceremony) a class of people without sufficient justification.
===========

So, I guess if you're both sterile, there's no reason brothers and sisters can't marry, mothers/sons, fathers/daughters.

And of course, mothers/daughters and fathers/sons don't have to worry about the sterility part.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at June 21, 2017 12:04 PM (vg8iE)

173 Texting While Driving.

Posted by: A Soccer Mom Quartet at June 21, 2017 12:04 PM (l4aLi)

174 Essentially, 99.9999% of their argument is null and void. The fraction remaining cannot be articulated rationally.
Posted by: Orson at June 21, 2017 11:39 AM

That's, like, your opinion, man!

Posted by: El Woke Duderino at June 21, 2017 12:04 PM (2frPC)

175
Why would German cops raid homes in Britain?
Posted by: rickb223 at June 21, 2017 12:02 PM

Brexit has yet to happen.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 21, 2017 12:05 PM (IqV8l)

176 I think even George Takei before he went nuts joked about an Asian driving the Enterprise.

Turn signal blinking for the next three galaxies?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 21, 2017 12:05 PM (Ak/GS)

177 Um, WTF is this?

@ChelseaClinton 1h1 hour ago

Diarrhea Deaths Are Declining In Poor Countries - But Ticking Upward In Rich Countries : Goats and Soda : NPR

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 21, 2017 12:05 PM (ul9CR)

178 I missed the Insomniac work news! Where, what, who?!
Congrats Insomniac...so happy for you!!
Posted by: Tami at June 21, 2017 12:03 PM (Enq6K)

Hey Tami! I've picked up a bit of contract work locally. Just finished up an assignment this morning as a matter of fact. Feels good to be doing something purposeful!

Posted by: Insomniac at June 21, 2017 12:05 PM (0mRoj)

179 I need to ponder naming my new all grrlll band...."

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It's Fine.

Posted by: josephistan at June 21, 2017 12:06 PM (7HtZB)

180 So, a state police officer at the Flint airport has been stabbed in the neck and is in critical condition. FBI is now the lead in the investigation.

Does this mean:

1. stabbed in neck = attempted beheading
2. FBI in charge = terrorism?

Posted by: shibumi at June 21, 2017 12:06 PM (aT+Bx)

181 Just heard on the radio that the Mayors of Texas' blue cities are banding together in a lawsuit against Texas re the new sanctuary city prohibition.

My money is on Gov. Abbott. Squash 'em like a bug!

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 21, 2017 12:06 PM (JO9+V)

182 Is "Goats and Soda" a program on NPR?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 21, 2017 12:06 PM (ul9CR)

183 @ChelseaClinton 1h1 hour ago

Diarrhea Deaths Are Declining In Poor Countries - But Ticking Upward In Rich Countries : Goats and Soda : NPR

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*blink* *blink*

Posted by: fixerupper at June 21, 2017 12:06 PM (8XRCm)

184 177, Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 21, 2017 12:05 PM (ul9CR)

Drinking too much soda causes diarrhea? Eating too many goats causes diarrhea?

Posted by: IC at June 21, 2017 12:06 PM (a0IVu)

185 177 Chelsea Tweets are a form of diarrhea...

Posted by: steevy at June 21, 2017 12:06 PM (rmVvL)

186 Saw Diarrhea Death open For AIDS Clinic...

Posted by: Under Fire at June 21, 2017 12:07 PM (l4aLi)

187 Well, the Marvel version was. Still not convinced about the IDW version.

No, seriously, yeah, cramming multiple franchises together is fine in theory, and can even be great (there've been a couple awesome G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers series), but I think that works best as a ground-up reboot, not, as I said, forcing two totally separate series together. Not a big Joe fan, but the IDW series (pre-crossover) was pretty well incompatible (for one, no indication of an alien robot invasion and occupation) with the events of the Transformers series, but they merged them anyway.

Anyway, I was just making a snarky comment. Didn't mean to turn it into a manifesto. Sorry.

Posted by: Lance McCormick, huge TF geek at June 21, 2017 12:07 PM (u0s1P)

188 Drinking too much soda causes diarrhea? Eating too many goats causes diarrhea?

***

What about fucking goats? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Hakbad Makbar at June 21, 2017 12:07 PM (GEpFD)

189 Diarrhea Deaths Are Declining In Poor Countries - But Ticking Upward In Rich Countries : Goats and Soda : NPR
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Gee, I wonder if that correlates with the massive importation of the Third World into the First World.... nah, couldn't be.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at June 21, 2017 12:07 PM (vg8iE)

190 In Germany, the police raided 36 homes to arrest people for posting "hate speech" on social media.

http://tinyurl.com/yc8addng

German police rounding people up for expressing opinions that the state opposes. There is precedent for this.

Posted by: V the K at June 21, 2017 11:57 AM (O7MnT)

The murder in the streets of Germans by members of the religion of peace will go on but at least no one will be able to point out the truth of what is happening. Good job Angie. How is this bitch not on trial for treason?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 21, 2017 12:07 PM (493sH)

191 Tony Soprano: Tannenbaum. Right. But on your application to Columbia, you didn't check Jewish did you?

Noah Tannenbaum: No. They can't ask about religious affiliation.

Tony Soprano: Oh, right...right...of course...What'd you check?

Noah Tannenbaum: African American.

Tony Soprano: So we do understand each other; you're a ditsoon.

Noah Tannenbaum: Excuse me?

Tony Soprano: A charcoal briquette...a moolinyan.

Noah Tannenbaum: What's your problem?
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 21, 2017 11:54 AM (ul9CR)

In another episode where Tony and his crew had to deal with Orthodox Jews
Paulie Walnuts--"Hasidim, but I don't believe 'em!"

Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2017 12:07 PM (7uYFy)

192 The director of the controversial production of Julius Caesar in Central Park has received death threats at his Brooklyn home, his wife told cops.

Tsch Tsch Tsch...See bub, free speech cuts both ways...Karma sucks I guess

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2017 12:07 PM (5y11N)

193 Congrats Insomniac. Hope that continues to snowball into more good things for you.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 21, 2017 12:07 PM (TqXWc)

194 180 We have already determined that it was not terrorism.

The FBI

Posted by: steevy at June 21, 2017 12:07 PM (rmVvL)

195 8-0. I guess the Redskins are in the clear now.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 21, 2017 11:48 AM (LTHVh)

Yes, now Redskins fans can watch their team lose in peace.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 21, 2017 12:07 PM (AmNTJ)

196 I need to ponder naming my new all grrlll band...."

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It's Fine.
Posted by: josephistan

It's Nothing.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 21, 2017 12:08 PM (Ak/GS)

197 The Slants wanted to trademark their band name. The feds said no, you offend us.

SCOTUS told the feds to shut their pieholes and register the trademark.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 21, 2017 12:04 PM (FUu/Z)

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Substitute "redskins" for "slants". Hmmmm

Posted by: fixerupper at June 21, 2017 12:08 PM (8XRCm)

198 So, a state police officer at the Flint airport has
been stabbed in the neck and is in critical condition. FBI is now the
lead in the investigation.
Does this mean:
1. stabbed in neck = attempted beheading
2. FBI in charge = terrorism?
Posted by: shibumi at June 21, 2017 12:06 PM (aT+Bx)
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Well, no.
1. No known motive
2. Not terrorism related

Posted by: RioBravo at June 21, 2017 12:08 PM (SsblQ)

199 Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 21, 2017 11:53 AM (PFy0L)

Okay well now I am blaming you! Alito wrote nothing like you describe in that quoted language. He wrote that the government argues X but X strikes at the heart of the First Amendment. And so the government loses. Nothing about balancing or important interests. He goes on, as OM focused on, to say that hateful speech is protected. Full stop. Nothing about important interests and standards of scrutiny.

There are areas of First Amendment jurisprudence where levels of scrutiny come into play (eg time, place, manner restrictions). Also, Alito has in other cases taken a more limited view of the First Amendment than his colleagues (eg funeral protests, crush videos). But at least in the quote passage, levels of scrutiny has no bearing.

Posted by: Crispian at June 21, 2017 12:08 PM (4JKSc)

200 That's great news! Needed some great news!

Posted by: m at June 21, 2017 12:08 PM (VgThI)

201 Hey Tami! I've picked up a bit of contract work
locally. Just finished up an assignment this morning as a matter of
fact. Feels good to be doing something purposeful!

Posted by: Insomniac at June 21, 2017 12:05 PM (0mRoj)

That is great news! Well deserved and here's hoping there's more where that came from. *raises coffee mug to you*

Posted by: Tami at June 21, 2017 12:08 PM (Enq6K)

202 Why would German cops raid homes in Britain?

Operation Sea Lion, part deux.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 21, 2017 12:08 PM (SRKgf)

203 Yeah,the ROM Marvel comic was quite good.

Steve Ditko's last work for Marvel

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2017 12:09 PM (39g3+)

204 "FWIW in my opinion Obergefell WAS a conservative decision."

Disagree. It's a further stretch of the 14th Amendment to justify a Progressive outcome. It forced an anti-Democratic outcome on the entire US.

NY was one of the states that adopted gay marriage by legislation, which I was OK with. Included in that legislation were religious protections so no one would be forced to bake a cake.

CA voters adopted an anti-gay marriage referendum that a gay judge struck down on 14th Amendment grounds. I thought that was an outrage.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 21, 2017 12:09 PM (+7/1f)

205 I guess the Redskins are in the clear now.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 21, 2017 11:48 AM (LTHVh)

Yes, now Redskins fans can watch their team lose in peace.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 21, 2017 12:07 PM (AmNTJ)

Of course those scrunts at ESPN are already whining about that and howbad, berry berry bad, the name Redskins are.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2017 12:09 PM (5y11N)

206 I've picked up a bit of contract work locally. Just finished up an assignment this morning as a matter of fact. Feels good to be doing something purposeful!
---

And this is why welfare without work, and a universal basic income is a bad idea.

There is value in work as simply work. Take the opportunity to work away, and it takes part of an indivuals value to society.

Posted by: shibumi at June 21, 2017 12:09 PM (aT+Bx)

207 It's Fine.
Posted by: josephistan

It's Nothing.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 21, 2017 12:08 PM (Ak/GS)

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Do whatever you want.

**Protip to Ghost of Kari.

When your new wife says "do whatever you want"..... for gods sake DO NOT DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 21, 2017 12:09 PM (8XRCm)

208 Flint, Michigan has a lot of Somali muslims right?

Posted by: IC at June 21, 2017 12:09 PM (a0IVu)

209 Bill Burr's bit on taking lessons from black guys on how to avoid being called racist is hilarious. It's just the order of where you place the mother fucker curse.

Mother Fucking Asians - Racist
Asian Mother Fucker - not racist

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 21, 2017 12:09 PM (9GhFt)

210 I feel the urge to beat you with a frozen covfefe.
Posted by: bluebell - mangiamo! at June 21, 2017 12:02 PM

Please remember to submit the recipe to the Moron cookbook committee via the link on the sidebar, and may the best frozen covfefe win!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2017 12:09 PM (2frPC)

211 Okay well now I am blaming you! Alito wrote nothing like you describe in that quoted language. He wrote that the government argues X but X strikes at the heart of the First Amendment. And so the government loses. Nothing about balancing or important interests. He goes on, as OM focused on, to say that hateful speech is protected. Full stop. Nothing about important interests and standards of scrutiny.

There are areas of First Amendment jurisprudence where levels of scrutiny come into play (eg time, place, manner restrictions). Also, Alito has in other cases taken a more limited view of the First Amendment than his colleagues (eg funeral protests, crush videos). But at least in the quote passage, levels of scrutiny has no bearing.

Then it's clear I am what I thought I am, a worthless know nothing imbecile who really has no business contributing here.

Thanks for setting me straight. I won't bother you any more.

J

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 21, 2017 12:09 PM (eytER)

212 Yes, now Redskins fans can watch their team lose in peace.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 21, 2017 12:07 PM (AmNTJ)
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Sadly, it's true. My kids are incredulous that the 'Skins were ever anything but a joke.

Posted by: bluebell - mangiamo! at June 21, 2017 12:09 PM (sBOL1)

213 Anytime a scum attacks a Police Officer it is Terrorism anyway you cut it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2017 12:09 PM (5y11N)

214 Steve Ditko's last work for Marvel

***

I just found out Ditko did a story for a Tiny Toon Adventures comic years ago. Mind: blown.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 21, 2017 12:10 PM (GEpFD)

215 As he walked away, Dad leaned over to me and muttered, "We didn't know what Hunkie meant."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 21, 2017 11:46 AM (H5rtT)

You from Pittsburgh?

Posted by: Timon at June 21, 2017 12:10 PM (RjcAj)

216 5 I need to ponder naming my new all grrlll band....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2017 11:34 AM (PY9jH)

Hen House.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at June 21, 2017 12:10 PM (AmNTJ)

217 North Korea's top envoy to India on Wednesday offered a conditional moratorium on his country's nuclear and missile tests in an apparent bid to hold talks with the United States.

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We've already bought that horse twice.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 21, 2017 12:10 PM (Nwg0u)

218 @ChelseaClinton 1h1 hour ago

Diarrhea Deaths Are Declining In Poor Countries - But Ticking Upward In Rich Countries : Goats and Soda : NPR

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 21, 2017 12:05 PM (ul9CR)

Just spitballin' here, but maybe that's because so many of those Third-World mopes with disgusting tropical diseases are coming to the West as refugees?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2017 12:10 PM (XUcIQ)

219
Well, no.
1. No known motive
2. Not terrorism related
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So it's normal for the FBI to head up investiations when a state police officer is injured?

Posted by: shibumi at June 21, 2017 12:10 PM (aT+Bx)

220 188 Drinking too much soda causes diarrhea? Eating too many goats causes diarrhea?

...

Maybe giving soda to goats and THEN eating them.

If diarrhea is up in the West is almost certainly due to the weird diets that everyone seems to create for themselves these days.

That, or the left having gastroenteritis over Georgia house races.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 21, 2017 12:10 PM (TqXWc)

221 152 Other than sanity, ethics, reason, and thousands of years of global human culture.

You may be correct, but the law is pretty clear that IF government creates a class of people or the purposes of excluding them or targeting them, it has to have a very good reason for doing so. I don't have a problem with that in principle, do you? So the best minds in the socially-conservative legal world tried to come up with all the good reasons for preventing teh gheys from making each other legal partners in marriage, and their arguments were unpersuasive, legally.

And "because it' always been that way" can explain a lot of behavior in lots of cultures that we don't like. As a straight male, I can certainly imagine how sharia law might work out just fine for me, but I'd be worried about my daughter living under their idea of "sanity, ethics, reason, and thousands of years of global human culture" absent these constitutional protections.

Posted by: mx4 at June 21, 2017 12:10 PM (gjDoY)

222 The director of the controversial production of Julius Caesar in Central Park has received death threats at his Brooklyn home, his wife told cops. /i]

This is so overblown. People always yell that, whenever there's some controversy, someone sobs about getting death threats.

Hell I'VE gotten death threats online and I'm nobody. And it meant nothing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2017 12:10 PM (39g3+)

223 It's Fine.

Posted by: josephistan at June 21, 2017 12:06 PM (7HtZB)

"It's Not You; It's Me"

Posted by: Sharkman at June 21, 2017 12:11 PM (zKIA2)

224 Supreme Court decisions are, like elections, only valid and legitimate when they advance the progressive agenda. Otherwise, they are invalid and illegitimate.
It's really that simple....

Posted by: proudvastrightwingconspirator at June 21, 2017 12:11 PM (Ls9ow)

225 The Know Intents

Posted by: FBI Band at June 21, 2017 12:11 PM (l4aLi)

226
@ChelseaClinton 1h1 hour ago
Diarrhea Deaths Are Declining In Poor Countries - But Ticking Upward In Rich Countries : Goats and Soda : NPR

She's been a spokes person for some U.N. group to prevent explosive diarrhea deaths for a few years now.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 21, 2017 12:11 PM (lKyWE)

227 You may be correct, but the law is pretty clear that IF government creates a class of people or the purposes of excluding them or targeting them, it has to have a very good reason for doing so.

Which I listed and you ignored, lauching into an argument about how tradition is no reason to keep doing something while ignoring the rest.

I mean, the government says you can't marry your kitchen table either, but by your argument that's some kind of legal tyranny.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2017 12:12 PM (39g3+)

228 So Gok's girlfriend said yes? Hooray! More good news.

Starting last night with the Georgia wins, this day is shaping up to much nicer than the beginning of this week. Thank heavens.

Posted by: bluebell - mangiamo! at June 21, 2017 12:12 PM (sBOL1)

229 She's been a spokes person for some U.N. group to prevent explosive diarrhea deaths for a few years now.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 21, 2017 12:11 PM (lKyWE)

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EAT MOAR CHEEEEEESE!!!!

Posted by: fixerupper at June 21, 2017 12:12 PM (8XRCm)

230 Mueller added another left wing dem to his team..THIS has to stop NOW

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2017 12:12 PM (5y11N)

231 This is the 76th anniversary of the eve of Operation Barbarossa. Yes, I'm a total Eastern Front junkie.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 21, 2017 12:12 PM (dZ756)

232 **Protip to Ghost of Kari.

When your new wife says "do whatever you want"..... for gods sake put on a loincloth and dance in the living room while blasting "Hot Hot Hot."

Posted by: fixerupper at June 21, 2017 12:09 PM (8XRCm)

FIFY.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Beat the Heat with a Frozen Covfefe from the Outrage Outlet! at June 21, 2017 12:13 PM (hLRSq)

233 So it's normal for the FBI to head up investiations when a state police officer is injured?
=====

Just a thought, but I think airports might be under Federal jurisdiction - DHS.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 21, 2017 12:13 PM (MIKMs)

234
8-0?

*faps furiously*

I'm not sure my raw, blistered wang can take much more of this rampant, random winning.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 21, 2017 12:13 PM (XWkhW)

235 Teh Ted makes good on free speech here:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?430214-1/hearing-focuses-free-speech-college-campuses

Starting at 17:24.

Posted by: m at June 21, 2017 12:13 PM (VgThI)

236 She's been a spokes person for some U.N. group to prevent explosive diarrhea deaths for a few years now.

***

Makes sense to me. When I think of Chelsea Clinton, I think of explosive diarrhea.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 21, 2017 12:13 PM (GEpFD)

237 228
So Gok's girlfriend said yes? Hooray! More good news.

Starting last night with the Georgia wins, this day is shaping up to much nicer than the beginning of this week. Thank heavens.

Posted by: bluebell - mangiamo! at June 21, 2017 12:12 PM (sBOL1)
And the horde have been giving him very 'helpful' marital advice.

Posted by: IC at June 21, 2017 12:13 PM (a0IVu)

238 Just spitballin' here, but maybe that's because so many of those Third-World mopes with disgusting tropical diseases are coming to the West as refugees?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2017 12:10 PM (XUcIQ)

....

Connecting dots is problematic, you know.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 21, 2017 12:13 PM (TqXWc)

239 Mueller added another left wing dem to his team..THIS has to stop NOW
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Every time Mueller adds someoneto his team, Trump needs to add TWO people to his team.

Posted by: shibumi at June 21, 2017 12:13 PM (aT+Bx)

240 "Second look at conservative judicial activism?"

The Left already considers cases like Heller and Citizen's United to be examples of conservative activism. This is actually taught in universities and law schools.

Yes, they consider cases that uphold constitutional values to be "activist."

They also teach that the court has moved more conservative in the past twenty years (they present all sorts of data to prove it, until you dig into the definitions they used in their "study"). It's like political science programs that teach "Asymmetrical Polarization" (go ahead, look that one up) in a mistaken attempt to blame Republicans for the enmity in congress.

Just a few small examples of how academia tries to legitimate bullshit.

Posted by: McLurkerson at June 21, 2017 12:13 PM (35/F6)

241 191 Tony Soprano: Tannenbaum. Right. But on your application to Columbia, you didn't check Jewish did you?

Noah Tannenbaum: No. They can't ask about religious affiliation.

Tony Soprano: Oh, right...right...of course...What'd you check?

Noah Tannenbaum: African American.

Tony Soprano: So we do understand each other; you're a ditsoon.

Noah Tannenbaum: Excuse me?

Tony Soprano: A charcoal briquette...a moolinyan.

Noah Tannenbaum: What's your problem?
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 21, 2017 11:54 AM (ul9CR)

In another episode where Tony and his crew had to deal with Orthodox Jews
Paulie Walnuts--"Hasidim, but I don't believe 'em!"
Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2017 12:07 PM (7uYFy)

Or another episode with the Russian mob - "That's a kind of Pollock, right?"

Posted by: josephistan at June 21, 2017 12:14 PM (7HtZB)

242 Helpful marital advce like "Don't do it!" and "Run away!"

Posted by: steevy at June 21, 2017 12:14 PM (rmVvL)

243 The Slant Six

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 21, 2017 12:14 PM (IqV8l)

244 And the horde have been giving him very 'helpful' marital advice.
Posted by: IC at June 21, 2017 12:13 PM (a0IVu)
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Oh dear. Well, IC, looks like we ladies here are going to have to be the voice of reason.

As usual.

Posted by: bluebell - mangiamo! at June 21, 2017 12:14 PM (sBOL1)

245 IIRC, the heart of the US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals decision against Trump's immigration ban were the words CANDIDATE Trump spoke on immigration restrictions before he was even elected.

Hmmmmm ...

Posted by: mrp at June 21, 2017 12:14 PM (Pqytn)

246 Second look at conservative judicial activism?

A real conservative judicial activist movement would be interesting.

For example, you could call any implementation of the income tax a violation of the 13th Amendment, such that the government's right to implement an income tax is only theoretical.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2017 12:14 PM (eSx+E)

247 This is the 76th anniversary of the eve of Operation Barbarossa. Yes, I'm a total Eastern Front junkie.
Posted by: SFGoth at June 21, 2017 12:12 PM (dZ756

And your point?

Posted by: Nepoleon at June 21, 2017 12:15 PM (5y11N)

248 Since this is kind of a legal thread, can one of you legal types splain me something?

The 9th Circus and their hold up of Trump's EO.

I can maybe kinda sorta see the argument that the "six Majority Muslim countries" thing could be scrutinized in a way to call it a Muslim ban (I don't agree, it is all hooey, but I can see where the argument can be made.)

But there is another part of the EO, and it is about refugees. The pause for refugees was FROM ALL COUNTRIES.

How does the court square that? Is it just "Trump is bad so we can't let him do anything?"

Posted by: blaster at June 21, 2017 12:15 PM (lALnC)

249 So it's normal for the FBI to head up investiations when a state police officer is injured?

Posted by: shibumi at June 21, 2017 12:10 PM (aT+Bx)
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Aviation safety is a federal concern but that too misses the point of my sarcasm.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 21, 2017 12:16 PM (SsblQ)

250 So at this point we'd be better off with Blazing Saddles as a required part of High School curricula than Shakespeare?

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Gluten Free Souls at June 21, 2017 12:16 PM (tMFgx)

251 I read it as "Of course the government is going to try to prevent speech that offends, but the 1st Amendment prevents it from doing that."

Posted by: Steven at June 21, 2017 12:16 PM (24EOG)

252 196. 'Not the Nail'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 21, 2017 12:17 PM (TwwWO)

253 247 This is the 76th anniversary of the eve of Operation Barbarossa. Yes, I'm a total Eastern Front junkie.
Posted by: SFGoth at June 21, 2017 12:12 PM (dZ756

And your point?
Posted by: Nepoleon at June 21, 2017 12:15 PM (5y11N)

Third time's the charm!

Posted by: John McCain at June 21, 2017 12:17 PM (7HtZB)

254 She's been a spokes person for some U.N. group to prevent explosive diarrhea deaths for a few years now.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 21, 2017 12:11 PM (lKyWE)

Suicide bomb vests are 100% effective at preventing explosive diarrhea.

Posted by: Achmed's Nitro Tailors at June 21, 2017 12:17 PM (XUcIQ)

255 233
So it's normal for the FBI to head up investiations when a state police officer is injured?
=====

Just a thought, but I think airports might be under Federal jurisdiction - DHS.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 21, 2017 12:13 PM (MIKMs)

The feds have been getting involved in crimes against police for a long long time. My great grandfather died from blood poisoning while he was the chief of police in a small town in GA. The FBI looked into that and that was a long long time ago.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 21, 2017 12:17 PM (mpXpK)

256 247
This is the 76th anniversary of the eve of Operation Barbarossa. Yes, I'm a total Eastern Front junkie.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 21, 2017 12:12 PM (dZ756

And your point?

Posted by: Nepoleon

Free speech, French mo fo. Besides, 1 of my favorite things to discuss here is WW2 (along with marijuana and Blue Oyster Cult).

I should get back to defending private property rights in San Francisco while they're still moribund (but not dead).

Posted by: SFGoth at June 21, 2017 12:17 PM (dZ756)

257
The Slant Six
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 21, 2017 12:14 PM (IqV8l)

Wost motor ever

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 21, 2017 12:17 PM (lKyWE)

258 She's been a spokes person for some U.N. group to prevent explosive diarrhea deaths for a few years now.

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Chubbly and diarrhea are a good fit.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 21, 2017 12:17 PM (Nwg0u)

259 @Chubble Clinton unVerified Account 2h2 hrs ago

Republicans want everyone to have explosive diarrhea, especially members of marginalized communities, and that makes my heart hurt.

Posted by: Chubble Clinton at June 21, 2017 12:17 PM (ul9CR)

260 GoK, and everyone else too:

the only marriage advice you ever need--it's not about the nail.

http://bit.ly/MnyfOZ

Posted by: TexasDan at June 21, 2017 12:17 PM (TqXWc)

261 How does the court square that? Is it just "Trump is bad so we can't let him do anything?"

For the left, whose feelings are hurt matters more than logic, law, truth, or justice.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2017 12:17 PM (39g3+)

262 And the horde have been giving him very 'helpful' marital advice.
Posted by: IC at June 21, 2017 12:13 PM (a0IVu)
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Oh dear. Well, IC, looks like we ladies here are going to have to be the voice of reason.

As usual.

Posted by: bluebell - mangiamo! at June 21, 2017 12:14 PM (sBOL1)

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Poor poor GoK.

Poor boy doesnt stand a chance does he.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 21, 2017 12:18 PM (8XRCm)

263 And the horde have been giving him very 'helpful' marital advice.
Posted by: IC

We haven't begun.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 21, 2017 12:18 PM (Ak/GS)

264 In another episode where Tony and his crew had to deal with Orthodox Jews
Paulie Walnuts--"Hasidim, but I don't believe 'em!"

Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2017 12:07 PM (7uYFy)

Or another episode with the Russian mob - "That's a kind of Pollock, right?"

Posted by: josephistan at June 21, 2017 12:14 PM (7HtZB)

Paulie - You're not gonna believe this. He killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. The guy was an interior decorator.

Christopher - His house looked like shit.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 21, 2017 12:18 PM (493sH)

265 That is great news! Well deserved and here's hoping there's more where that came from. *raises coffee mug to you*
Posted by: Tami at June 21, 2017 12:08 PM (Enq6K)

Thank you! There may be some potential, but I'm taking it as it comes for now.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 21, 2017 12:19 PM (0mRoj)

266 260. 252 smirks and agrees.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 21, 2017 12:19 PM (TwwWO)

267 250 So at this point we'd be better off with Blazing Saddles as a required part of High School curricula than Shakespeare?

Wherefore art all the white maidens at?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 21, 2017 12:19 PM (ul9CR)

268 This is the 76th anniversary of the eve of Operation Barbarossa. Yes, I'm a total Eastern Front junkie.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 21, 2017 12:12 PM (dZ756

Do you know who else was an Eastern Front junkie?!?!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 21, 2017 12:20 PM (493sH)

269
It's Fine.

"It's Not You; It's Me"

Tonight Only:
It's Not About The Nail

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 21, 2017 12:20 PM (H5rtT)

270
I'm on the third day of my cleansing diet, btw. Wish me luck. Good thing the wi-fi reaches this bathroom because I'll be parked here most of the day.

*shart*

Posted by: Chelshire Clinton at June 21, 2017 12:20 PM (HTdUD)

271 Advice for GoK:
If she asks you to 'help' plan the wedding, run like an illegal crossing the southern border.

Posted by: Under Fire at June 21, 2017 12:20 PM (l4aLi)

272 263 And the horde have been giving him very 'helpful' marital advice.

Like "Fer Chrissakes boy, don't do it! You're still young! You have so much to live for!"

Posted by: Insomniac at June 21, 2017 12:20 PM (0mRoj)

273 Ace up

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 21, 2017 12:20 PM (mpXpK)

274 Wherefore art all the white maidens at?

***

I hate to shit on what was a pretty good joke, but "wherefore" doesn't mean where, it means why.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at June 21, 2017 12:20 PM (GEpFD)

275 "So at this point we'd be better off with Blazing Saddles as a required part of High School curricula than Shakespeare? "

If you include Godfather I and II, yeah

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 21, 2017 12:20 PM (+7/1f)

276
Just spitballin' here, but maybe that's because so many of those Third-World mopes with disgusting tropical diseases are coming to the West as refugees?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2017 12:10 PM (XUcIQ)

....

Connecting dots is problematic, you know.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 21, 2017 12:13 PM (TqXWc)

Honestly, I don't think it's as much the imported exotic tropical diseases thing as the imported exotic hygiene practices, like wiping one's ass with the left hand sans toilet paper, and only bathing once a month, whether one needs it or not.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 21, 2017 12:21 PM (XWkhW)

277 http://bit.ly/MnyfOZ
Posted by: TexasDan at June 21, 2017 12:17 PM (TqXWc)

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Art imitates life.

Or is it the other way around???

Posted by: fixerupper at June 21, 2017 12:21 PM (8XRCm)

278 Maybe this decision is a small step back toward everybody pulling in their horns a bit and not getting outraged by every slight, real or imagined.

OK, people say things that are not nice. Shrug it off.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 21, 2017 12:21 PM (SRKgf)

279 SO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2017 12:21 PM (5y11N)

280 "We'll keep put the eggplants"

From the Jerk...

NSFW for language.

http://tinyurl.com/yd9pjur4

Posted by: Timon at June 21, 2017 12:21 PM (RjcAj)

281 Sometimes I feel all we're doing is buying time by going to these enormous lengths to elect right-leaning politicians and preserve a quasi-conservative judiciary. Right now, Democrats are completely under the sway of their far-Left, hard-Left leadership. The divisions between us are widening by the day.

Have you listened to progressives lately? Even the language they speak is different. Their concepts of even fundamentals such as 'good' and 'evil' are like a Bizarro World opposite of our own.

I don't know, guys. I don't see a way out. How, exactly, to we become one people again?

Posted by: troyriser at June 21, 2017 12:21 PM (Fw5cQ)

282 227 I mean, the goveryment says you can't marry your kitchen table either, but by your argument that's some kind of legal tyranny.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2017 12:12 PM (39g3+)

That's a silly thing to say. I'm happy to have a DISCUSSION about this but I'm not willing to argue with a fellow moron about it. I don't believe I put any words in your mouth. Please don't put any in mine.

Let's accept for argument that government has this power to decide which adult human, able to sign a legal document (not a dog, not a table, not a child) may marry which other adult human to the exclusion of gays, what legal principle restrains our future, muslim-dominated government from passing laws preventing Jews or all non-muslims from marrying?

Posted by: mx4 at June 21, 2017 12:21 PM (gjDoY)

283 The "Slants" is a great name for a Asian band. Unless you are a miserable shrew with no sense of humor. I'm Italian and Polish, a band called the Wop-Locks would be awesome unless they sucked at actual music.

Posted by: dananjcon at June 21, 2017 12:21 PM (WLK0w)

284 Oh, and if she accuses you of cheating and you know you're not? She's banging Paolo, guaranteed.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 21, 2017 12:21 PM (0mRoj)

285 Poor poor GoK.

Poor boy doesnt stand a chance does he.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 21, 2017 12:18 PM (8XRCm)
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After I finish beating Mikey with the frozen covfefe, I'm going to put my turn signal on and drive down to - where are you, Missouri? - and get you too.

IC and Tami and the other 'ettes can meet me there. Remember ladies, it's not you, it's them!

Posted by: bluebell - mangiamo! at June 21, 2017 12:22 PM (sBOL1)

286 "We need to talk" in no way implies that the husband speaks.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at June 21, 2017 12:23 PM (bAtqf)

287 192 The director of the controversial production of Julius Caesar in Central Park has received death threats at his Brooklyn home, his wife told cops.

Tsch Tsch Tsch...See bub, free speech cuts both ways...Karma sucks I guess
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2017 12:07 PM (5y11N)

"In a way, didn't he bring this on himself"

-Something a CNN anchor surely asked, being an intellectually consistent and unbiased news source.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 21, 2017 12:23 PM (KUaJL)

288 IC and Tami and the other 'ettes can meet me there. Remember ladies, it's not you, it's them!

Posted by: bluebell - mangiamo! at June 21, 2017 12:22 PM (sBOL1)
That's right...it would be nice to have a ladies meet up anyways.

Posted by: IC at June 21, 2017 12:24 PM (a0IVu)

289 She's been a spokes person for some U.N. group to prevent explosive diarrhea deaths for a few years now.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 21, 2017 12:11 PM (lKyWE)

She's shutting down the Third World space initiative?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 21, 2017 12:24 PM (SRKgf)

290 Wherefore art all the white maidens at?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 21, 2017 12:19 PM (ul9CR)

Nary a movement lest the Moor gets it!

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Gluten Free Souls at June 21, 2017 12:24 PM (tMFgx)

291 266 260. 252 smirks and agrees.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 21, 2017 12:19 PM (TwwWO)

yeah, yeah. GMTA.

plus, I was digging up the link. and rewatched it.

still laugh every time.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 21, 2017 12:24 PM (TqXWc)

292 288 IC and Tami and the other 'ettes can meet me there. Remember ladies, it's not you, it's them!

Posted by: bluebell - mangiamo! at June 21, 2017 12:22 PM (sBOL1)
That's right...it would be nice to have a ladies meet up anyways.
Posted by: IC at June 21, 2017 12:24 PM (a0IVu)

Will there be pillow fights?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 21, 2017 12:24 PM (0mRoj)

293 Nary a movement lest the Moor gets it!
Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Gluten Free Souls at June 21, 2017 12:24 PM (tMFgx)
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Moop

Posted by: George Costanza at June 21, 2017 12:25 PM (sBOL1)

294 Toronto wont allow them to have the logo when they visit the Blue Jays.

Posted by: steevy at June 21, 2017 11:48 AM

MLB should declare Cleveland winners by default. Saves on travel expenses, too.

The Blew Gays can suck it.

Move on to the next series of games.

Posted by: Zombie Nixon at June 21, 2017 12:25 PM (aEGbc)

295 "After I finish beating Mikey with the frozen covfefe, I'm going to put my turn signal on and drive down to - where are you, Missouri? - and get you too."

From the flak you'd think I was over Schweinfurt.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Beat the Heat with a Frozen Covfefe from the Outrage Outlet! at June 21, 2017 12:25 PM (hLRSq)

296
That's a silly thing to say. I'm happy to have a DISCUSSION about this but I'm not willing to argue with a fellow moron about it. I don't believe I put any words in your mouth. Please don't put any in mine.

You're arguing that logic, human history, ethics, and common sense aren't a basis for jurisprudence. That the government must allow whatever is not prohibited by certain judicial principles of equality and universal access.

Hence, my reductio ad absurdem argument about the kitchen table: to cut to the essence. The argument you are using would prohibit government restrictions on marriage to inanimate objects, because it does not meet your idea of the minimum standard of government prohibition.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2017 12:25 PM (39g3+)

297 Ack, off dead prez sock.

Posted by: Joe Mama at June 21, 2017 12:26 PM (aEGbc)

298 Death threats are NOT protected speech. neither is a bomb threat or filing a false police report.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 21, 2017 12:26 PM (mpXpK)

299 Will there be pillow fights?
Posted by: Insomniac at June 21, 2017 12:24 PM (0mRoj)
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First we are going to braid each other's hair and give each other manicures. Then, we'll see.

Posted by: bluebell - mangiamo! at June 21, 2017 12:26 PM (sBOL1)

300 Be it the twooth what they say about the Moors?

Vewily! Vewily!

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Gluten Free Souls at June 21, 2017 12:27 PM (tMFgx)

301 271 Advice for GoK:
If she asks you to 'help' plan the wedding, run like an illegal crossing the southern border.
Posted by: Under Fire at June 21, 2017 12:20 PM (l4aLi)

Suggest a Star Wars theme wedding. She agrees & you got the coolest wife ever. She disagrees, you don't have to do a damn thing. You're welcome.

Posted by: josephistan at June 21, 2017 12:27 PM (7HtZB)

302 Paulie - You're not gonna believe this. He killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. The guy was an interior decorator.

Christopher - His house looked like shit.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 21, 2017 12:18 PM (493sH)

Paulie Walnuts was the best. In the same episode where he and Chris went to the Russian's to pick up a payment,
Paulie--Fuck these assholes. Do you know these motherfuckers put missiles in Cuba and pointed them RIGHT at us?
Christopher--That really happened? I thought it was just a movie."

Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2017 12:28 PM (7uYFy)

303 @ChelseaClinton 1h1 hour ago

Diarrhea Deaths Are Declining In Poor Countries - But Ticking Upward In Rich Countries : Goats and Soda : NPR

Give her the Kaopectate Award!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 21, 2017 12:28 PM (SRKgf)

304 299 Will there be pillow fights?
Posted by: Insomniac at June 21, 2017 12:24 PM (0mRoj)
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First we are going to braid each other's hair and give each other manicures. Then, we'll see.

Posted by: bluebell - mangiamo! at June 21, 2017 12:26 PM (sBOL1)

....

Ugh. That means WORDS and TALKING.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 21, 2017 12:30 PM (TqXWc)

305 The divisions between us are widening by the day.

Have you listened to progressives lately? Even the language they speak is different. Their concepts of even fundamentals such as 'good' and 'evil' are like a Bizarro World opposite of our own.

I don't know, guys. I don't see a way out. How, exactly, to we become one people again?

We don't. It's a fundamental difference in thought processes.
You can't fix mental illness on such a scale.

Let it burn & then rebuild.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 21, 2017 12:30 PM (Ak/GS)

306 @ChelseaClinton 1h1 hour ago

Diarrhea Deaths Are Declining In Poor Countries - But Ticking Upward In Rich Countries : Goats and Soda : NPR

Goat's Head Soup wasn't as good as a lot of other Stone's albums, but it didn't give me diarrhea.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2017 12:30 PM (7uYFy)

307 302 Paulie - You're not gonna believe this. He killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. The guy was an interior decorator.

Christopher - His house looked like shit.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 21, 2017 12:18 PM (493sH)

Paulie Walnuts was the best. In the same episode where he and Chris went to the Russian's to pick up a payment,
Paulie--Fuck these assholes. Do you know these motherfuckers put missiles in Cuba and pointed them RIGHT at us?
Christopher--That really happened? I thought it was just a movie."
Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2017 12:28 PM (7uYFy)

I forgot how damn funny that show could be.

Posted by: josephistan at June 21, 2017 12:31 PM (7HtZB)

308 303 @ChelseaClinton 1h1 hour ago

Diarrhea Deaths Are Declining In Poor Countries - But Ticking Upward In Rich Countries : Goats and Soda : NPR

Give her the Kaopectate Award!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 21, 2017 12:28 PM (SRKgf)

...

It would surprise me not at all to find that someone is trying to push an anti-diarrhea drug. Even though Clinton lost, the Deep State is still approving funding for a lot of things I bet.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 21, 2017 12:31 PM (TqXWc)

309 I forgot how damn funny that show could be.
Posted by: josephistan at June 21, 2017 12:31 PM (7HtZB)

That show was so great on so many levels.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2017 12:32 PM (7uYFy)

310 Isn't it basically Alito's point that the government is always trying to restrict speech that offends ? But that is exactly WHY we need and have the 1st amendment that prevents them from doing just that.

We need to be ever vigilant against the creep of government power that naturally seeks to keep the peace and restrict things that some people may not like. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. So naturally, the loudest voices will be calling for speech codes and the like. Alas, the constitution prevents the government from restricting freedoms just because a vocal minority doesn't like it.

Posted by: deadrody at June 21, 2017 12:32 PM (FvbGP)

311 @ChelseaClinton 1h1 hour ago

Diarrhea Deaths Are Declining In Poor Countries - But Ticking Upward In Rich Countries : Goats and Soda : NPR

In other words, leftists are losing their shit.

Posted by: josephistan at June 21, 2017 12:34 PM (7HtZB)

312 IC and Tami and the other 'ettes can meet me there. Remember ladies, it's not you, it's them!

Posted by: bluebell - mangiamo! at June 21, 2017 12:22 PM (sBOL1)

I didn't know IC is in MO!

We can have a MiMoMoMU!

Posted by: Tami at June 21, 2017 12:35 PM (Enq6K)

313 The only reason the lefty justices ruled in favor of offensive speech is that they don't want to discourage anti-Christian hate speech, or images.

Posted by: kallisto at June 21, 2017 12:36 PM (kD8Fh)

314 "Second look at conservative judicial activism?"

Unfortunately for this to work conservatives would have to hire amoral lefties as judges and hope they stayed bought.

Posted by: X-ray at June 21, 2017 12:37 PM (6hUAo)

315 Great, now I have the words "explosive diarrhea" and "marriage advice" all mixed up in my head.

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at June 21, 2017 12:37 PM (RD7QR)

316 @ChelseaClinton 1h1 hour ago

Diarrhea Deaths Are Declining In Poor Countries - But Ticking Upward In Rich Countries : Goats and Soda : NPR

In other words, leftists are losing their shit.
Posted by: josephistan at June 21, 2017 12:34 PM (7HtZB)

So everyone who said leftists are full of shit was mistaken.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 21, 2017 12:38 PM (SRKgf)

317 WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 21, 2017 12:09 PM (eytER)

Cheer up, I'm sure it's not your fault

More seriously: I'm attempting to be informative. Related to free speech, I think our unwillingness to listen to and learn from others should rank among top concerns for the vitality of free speech (the stuff we see on college campus and on facebook, for example).

Sometimes the impediment is that the speaker doesn't express himself well enough or is uncivil. Typically, we just don't want to be wrong. Because what do we do with that? Offer the speaker a medal or a chest to pin it on? Well it shouldn't be about anyone's ego. I'm an imbecile (and not in a passive-aggressive sense) about a great many things. On this little topic I have a little knowledge that I think important to know.

Posted by: Crispian at June 21, 2017 12:38 PM (wbYF0)

318 The only reason the lefty justices ruled in favor of offensive speech is that they don't want to discourage anti-Christian hate speech, or images.
Posted by: kallisto at June 21, 2017 12:36 PM (kD8Fh)

That's OK. As long as they don't discourage teeing off on Islam at the same time.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 21, 2017 12:39 PM (SRKgf)

319 Nood - Eichenwald

Posted by: josephistan at June 21, 2017 12:39 PM (7HtZB)

320 119 Gypsies stole all our best slurs.

We've been gypped.

Posted by: Grump928(C)

A friend of mine from Isle of Wight explained to me how his car went missing for a week and it was later found in good condition by the side of the road. There was a 5 pence coin (like a dime) on the passenger seat (pretty well confirming) it was the Gypsies. They don't steal...they don't even borrow... they rent.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 21, 2017 12:41 PM (kfcYC)

321 >>>They can stash papers at Douchebag's library all they want
Posted by: phineas gage at June 21, 2017 11:45 AM (XsVWn)

Ha!

Posted by: m at June 21, 2017 12:45 PM (VgThI)

322 296The argument you are using would prohibit government restrictions on marriage to inanimate objects, because it does not meet your idea of the minimum standard of government prohibition.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2017 12:25 PM (39g3+)

It was silly the first time and it's still a silly thing to say. If we can't restrain government from keeping homosexuals from signing marriage licenses then what next government has no legitimate interest in making sure that both parties in a contract are actual parties and not inanimate objects? Do you honestly see no way that a smart fella might be able to distinguish between the two positions well enough for some dumb judge to understand? If YOU think it's a silly argument then stop making it! I think it's a retarded thing to say so stop claiming I'm the one saying it.

IF the government creates a class of people, it must have a legitimate interest in doing so. Amish men have beards and drive buggies. Why? History. Culture. Ethics. If you're Amish, all of these things are important. However, there is ZERO legitimate government interest in forcing the rest of us to give 1/2 a crap about what the Amish think. At a minimum, someone should be able to explain how creating a class of people furthers government's goals of creating a more perfect union, providing for national defense, promoting the general welfare and preserving the blessings of LIBERTY (emphasis mine). Absent a better argument than "um...ethics, your honor" the courts are correct to limit government's actions, I think.

Posted by: mx4 at June 21, 2017 12:47 PM (gjDoY)

323 >>>Now there was anothwer case where some kluxers burned a cross in some black guy's yard.

That's trespassing.

Posted by: m at June 21, 2017 12:48 PM (VgThI)

324 "Let's accept for argument that government has this power to decide which adult human, able to sign a legal document (not a dog, not a table, not a child) may marry which other adult human to the exclusion of gays, what legal principle restrains our future, muslim-dominated government from passing laws preventing Jews or all non-muslims from marrying?"

Considering that government marriage isn't, it's already the case that Muslims can deny marrying Jews, and jews can deny marrying Muslims. The problem is government confusing itself with a church to begin with.

Posted by: JSchuler at June 21, 2017 12:50 PM (YsGL+)

325 The decision was 8-0 because Gorsuch was not on the court when the case was argued. Also, if you look carefully at the decision, the quote was from Part Four of the decision, which only Roberts, Thomas, Alito and Breyer agreed with.

Posted by: mercenary13 at June 21, 2017 12:52 PM (jlGrk)

326 "Do you honestly see no way that a smart fella might be able to distinguish between the two positions well enough for some dumb judge to understand?"

"It is impossible to speak in such a way that you cannot be misunderstood." - Karl Popper

Posted by: JSchuler at June 21, 2017 12:52 PM (YsGL+)

327 The problem is government confusing itself with a church to begin with.
Posted by: JSchuler

Amen

Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2017 12:57 PM (IVRUG)

328 Now there was anothwer case where some kluxers burned a cross in some black guy's yard.

That's trespassing.
Posted by: m

And within 12g effective range

Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2017 12:58 PM (IVRUG)

329 324 Considering that government marriage isn't, it's already the case that Muslims can deny marrying Jews, and jews can deny marrying Muslims. The problem is government confusing itself with a church to begin with.

I agree. I hope you don't mind!

A marriage license is a contract, pure and simple. It creates rights and responsibilities between the two parties complete with rich case-history for addressing the courts for relief when one party violates the terms and mechanisms for ending the contract.

I think there is a clear government interest in promoting marriage with tax law, etc., (cf. modern inner cities decimated by government's de facto promotion of single-parent households), but I can't for the life of me think of any other contractual relationship in which it wouldn't seem like a bizarre and gross over-reach for government to impose this sort of restriction. I can imagine a sharia-inspired new restriction such as "You have the right to be represented in court, but your attorney must be the same sex as you."

Seems weird and an obvious overreach, no? I'd hope that our courts would protect me from that intrusion in exactly the same manner as the courts eventually chose to protect homosexuals from the same sort of arbitrary, religion-based restrictions.

Posted by: mx4 at June 21, 2017 01:01 PM (gjDoY)

330 Suggest a Star Wars theme wedding. She agrees & you got the coolest wife ever. She disagrees, you don't have to do a damn thing. You're welcome.
Posted by: josephistan

Or a Game of Thrones one

Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2017 01:01 PM (IVRUG)

331 I need to ponder naming my new all grrlll band

54 in the fast lane

Phones on wheels

Posted by: Agitator at June 21, 2017 01:03 PM (ryU+1)

332 "A marriage license is a contract, pure and simple. It creates rights and responsibilities between the two parties complete with rich case-history for addressing the courts for relief when one party violates the terms and mechanisms for ending the contract."

Well, it's "rich" in that there's a lot, but most of it is ash right now. No-fault divorce took the last vestiges of meaning from government marriage contracts.

But your continued point of argument makes me think you don't really agree with what I said; I'm saying government has zero legitimacy when it comes to marriage. It cannot marry you. Whatever restrictions it places on or allowances it gives to marriage are irrelevant. Yes, the government may have an interest in marriage, but so what? It can sit and spin on its interest.

Now, in a different system where Church and State are not distinct entities, then yes, that government can marry. But here, civil marriages are all fake. They have no more sanctity than any other contractual relationship. Just as nothing ethically or morally prevents me from trying to poach an employee from another employer, so to does nothing ethically or morally prevent me from trying to poach a contractual "spouse" from another.

Posted by: JSchuler at June 21, 2017 01:15 PM (YsGL+)

333 The opinion was written in a slightly muddled way because various justices joined various parts in concurrence or dissent BUT the parts that all justices joined in affirmed the lower court decision and held unambiguously that "the disparagement clause violates the First Amendment's Free Speech Clause".

I did not read anything in the decision written by Alito that agreed that "the Government has an interest in preventing speech expressing ideas that offend". I suspect the writer is misreading Alito when he is talking about the relaxed scrutiny that past courts have afforded to commercial speech. Alito concludes though that the notion that "one purported interest [under Central Hudson Gas and Electric v Public Serv. Comm'n of N.Y. 447 U.S. 557] is in preventing speech expressing ideas that offend" "strikes at the heart of the First Amendment". That is not him agreeing with that notion.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 21, 2017 01:15 PM (3JA/M)

334 5 I need to ponder naming my new all grrlll band....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2017 11:34 AM (PY9jH)

'The Cunning Runts' ???

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at June 21, 2017 01:27 PM (sv0ts)

335 204 "FWIW in my opinion Obergefell WAS a conservative decision."

Disagree. It's a further stretch of the 14th Amendment to justify a Progressive outcome. It forced an anti-Democratic outcome on the entire US.

NY was one of the states that adopted gay marriage by legislation, which I was OK with. Included in that legislation were religious protections so no one would be forced to bake a cake.

CA voters adopted an anti-gay marriage referendum that a gay judge struck down on 14th Amendment grounds. I thought that was an outrage.
Posted by: Ignoramus at June 21, 2017 12:09 PM (+7/1f)

I used to think that way too. Clearly, I think, nobody who voted for the 14th amendment dreamed that it would mean someday that homosexuals could marry. If the 14th amendment didn't give women the right to vote, which to me it pretty much verbatim says should be the case, then how on earth can anyone imagine that it created the right to marriage?

Scalia essentially asked this very question to the plaintiffs:

I'm curious, when did it become unconstitutional to exclude homosexual couples from marriage? 1791? 1868? When the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted?

Ted Olson is a smart guy, and answered with a question, but to me the answer to Scalia's question is obvious. It became a right the day that SCOTUS handed down the opinion that created different levels of scrutiny to be applied for different rights, and the other opinion that determined that the right to marry required strict scrutiny. I'm not a lawyer, thank God, so I don't have those two opinions at the tip of my tongue, but them's the ones to blame, IMO.

Posted by: mx4 at June 21, 2017 01:32 PM (gjDoY)

336 Further to my outrageous last comment.

To accept this "levels of scrutiny" crap is to, in effect, amend every sentence in the constitution with the phrase and concept of "unless a plurality of judges on the highest panel that takes the case decides otherwise".

(willowed by now, probably)

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2017 02:02 PM (QDnY+)

337 Non-offensive speech needs no protection. Therefore the first amendment is expressly for offensive speech

Posted by: Bill Hedrick at June 21, 2017 02:06 PM (++83f)

338 German police rounding people up for expressing opinions that the state opposes.

I have to confess, it does sound better in the original German.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 21, 2017 08:26 PM (LTHVh)

339 By stating that the government has an interest in preventing offensive speech and still ruling how he did, he's saying that that interest is not strong enough to override the first amendment.

Posted by: hoodaticus at June 22, 2017 12:33 AM (vitRc)

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