Gun Thread: Ruger Mark IV Recall And Other Assorted Tidbits

There is a Ruger Mark IV Recall, and it doesn't surprise me at all.

Ruger recently discovered that all Mark IV™ pistols (including 22/45™ models) manufactured prior to June 1, 2017 have the potential to discharge unintentionally if the safety is not utilized correctly. In particular, if the trigger is pulled while the safety lever is midway between the "safe" and "fire" positions (that is, the safety is not fully engaged or fully disengaged), then the pistol may not fire when the trigger is pulled. However, if the trigger is released and the safety lever is then moved from the mid position to the "fire" position, the pistol may fire at that time.

Anything with that many parts is an affront to John Browning and all that is holy.

So...admit it...you've stripped one of your weapons just a bit too far, and had to sneak over to the gun shop in the next town and have their gunsmith reassemble it.

Come on...fess up. You're amongst friends. We won't make fun of you.

Update: I completely forgot to credit Moron Commenter redc1c4 with the Ruger info.

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Shot a lot of guns yesterday first time andddd this happened XD pic.twitter.com/fRQuBBBrcS
— Jomo_Man (@MrJomoMan) June 11, 2017

What the hell happened there? Did he have his thumb on the break lever? Could the locking mechanism be broken and he was able to fire the shotgun anyway?

Weird. And stupid. Mostly stupid.

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Anyone have any thoughts on aftermarket stocks? I have a Remington 700 BDL LH that shoots well, but I have been toying with the idea of replacing the wood with a composite stock. No reason. Just...because.
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For no other reason than it is a beautiful pistol.
Colt-Peacemaker-1a (10).jpg

Posted by: CBD at 12:00 PM

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Posted by: Guzalot at June 11, 2017 11:52 AM (schB/)

2 2nd? At least top ten? What's wrong with you morons that a slacker like me can be here this soon?

Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold adventure is my game. at June 11, 2017 11:54 AM (0SPyv)

3 ooch.

Posted by: JEM at June 11, 2017 11:54 AM (TppKb)

4 Is that a derringer? *head explodes*

Posted by: Dang at June 11, 2017 11:55 AM (8b+oT)

5 Inadvertently brushed the break lever under recoil?

And.....no eye pro.

Posted by: Chris Sheehy at June 11, 2017 11:59 AM (geTNO)

6 That Ruger looks like a nightmare.

Posted by: Javems at June 11, 2017 12:00 PM (yOqwj)

7 These days, probably you can find the exploded image of a gun and its parts online, so its not as bad as it once was in terms of rebuilding

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 11, 2017 12:01 PM (39g3+)

8 And.....no eye pro.

Posted by: Chris Sheehy at June 11, 2017 11:59 AM (geTNO)

Good point...I didn't even notice!

But he has his Go-Pro on his head so he can post to whatever asshat social media site he prefers....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2017 12:02 PM (rF0hx)

9 Looks to be more parts than my 1911

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 12:03 PM (Ot7+c)

10 GUNZZZ!!!

"So...admit it...you've stripped one of your weapons just a bit too far, and had to sneak over to the gun shop in the next town and have their gunsmith reassemble it."

I honestly have not. I've never pulled a gun apart past my ability to put it back together again.

Posted by: Insomniac, forgotten but not yet gone at June 11, 2017 12:04 PM (0mRoj)

11 If you were buying your first rifle what would you get? For bonus moron points show your work.

Posted by: phone of kari - certified sidebar at June 11, 2017 12:04 PM (GiqxU)

12 Derringers??? Did someone say derringers?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 11, 2017 12:06 PM (0tfLf)

13 I'm with Insomniac...I too have never taken apart any of my weapons to the point I could not put it back together.
That said, I did take it to an armorer when the firing pin became stuck on my Remington 780. Figured it was time for a tune up anyway.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 11, 2017 12:08 PM (0tfLf)

14 That is a Ruger .44 mag on the bottom. My brother has one of those.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 11, 2017 12:09 PM (mpXpK)

15 11 If you were buying your first rifle what would you get? For bonus moron points show your work.
Posted by: phone of kari - certified sidebar at June 11, 2017 12:04 PM (GiqxU)

Considering I've bought a lot of rifles over time it's hard to say.

Posted by: Insomniac, forgotten but not yet gone at June 11, 2017 12:09 PM (0mRoj)

16 That pistol- an Uberti .45? If so I SO want one...

Donations accepted...

Posted by: Mr Wolf at June 11, 2017 12:10 PM (95OBf)

17 Chris @ 5.
Right!
Always wearing eye and ear protection. I figure I've got more years behind me than ahead so I want to see and hear them as much as possible.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 11, 2017 12:10 PM (0tfLf)

18 If you're talking about a beginner rifle for brand new shooter, I'd go Ruger 10/22. Lightweight, easy to operate, great for teaching the basics of sighting.

Posted by: Insomniac, forgotten but not yet gone at June 11, 2017 12:11 PM (0mRoj)

19 11
If you were buying your first rifle what would you get? For bonus moron points show your work.

Posted by: phone of kari - certified sidebar at June 11, 2017 12:04 PM (GiqxU)

My first rifle was a 30-30 Buffalo Bill commemorative. And I still have it. But I have always wanted a 742 BDL in a 30-06.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 11, 2017 12:11 PM (mpXpK)

20 If you were buying your first rifle what would you get? For bonus moron points show your work.
Posted by: phone of kari - certified sidebar at June 11, 2017 12:04 PM (GiqxU)

Ruger 10/22. It's fun and inexpensive to shoot and tons of aftermarket parts to mod it to your hearts content.

Posted by: Guzalot at June 11, 2017 12:11 PM (schB/)

21 I've always wanted a Mateba auto-revolver. I know it's a complicated design but it's probably the coolest-looking wheelgun I've ever seen.

Posted by: Insomniac, forgotten but not yet gone at June 11, 2017 12:12 PM (0mRoj)

22 10 Nope. I've pulled other fumduckers but fixed them on my own, admittedly with advice.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at June 11, 2017 12:14 PM (6wURk)

23 He should have been wearing safety glasses.

Posted by: buzzion at June 11, 2017 12:15 PM (cAnNx)

24 Ruger, the BMW of gun makers.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 11, 2017 12:15 PM (lQSMb)

25 14 Um. No. It's not.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at June 11, 2017 12:16 PM (6wURk)

26 6
That Ruger looks like a nightmare.

Posted by: Javems at June 11, 2017 12:00 PM (yOqwj)
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Course this Colt 1911 doe as well.

https://tinyurl.com/y82kuxu5

Posted by: Javems at June 11, 2017 12:16 PM (yOqwj)

27 The gun is good. The p***s is evil.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at June 11, 2017 12:16 PM (xAvrH)

28 Kari. What first rifle to get should depend heavily on what is the intended use. Is it the first with more to come soon?

Want a beginner rifle and something for inexpensive target practice a good 22 is probably up there. If you want to hunt deer and are not in brushy eastern states that make hunters use shotgun slugs you'll want a bigger caliber. Thats the extent of my limited knowledge. I need to find a hunter boyfriend. I like guns in theory but I always find something else to do rather than go practice to improve my limited abilities.

Posted by: PaleRider at June 11, 2017 12:18 PM (8qFZP)

29 Honestly the Ruger Mk IV doesn't look much different than my Mk II, there's a replaceable ejector (which seems like a great idea) and that stupid key thing and that's all I can spot.

Posted by: Ben at June 11, 2017 12:19 PM (c+m+Y)

30 Still haven't gone out to try my solder bullets yet, have 26 of them. Still see no reason if patched and lubed they won't work well.

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 12:19 PM (Ot7+c)

31 Javens looks exactly like mine so maybe it does have as many parts. Probably just never totally stripped it down.

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 12:23 PM (Ot7+c)

32 My first rifle, I still have. Cooey model 750 single-shot boltie .22, recently rehabilitated after languishing many years with its bolt lost in the woods. Got a new (used) bolt, and after some careful fitting, it works 100%. Has already accounted for one gopher at Peon Manor.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 11, 2017 12:23 PM (7MWCL)

33 If you were buying your first rifle what would you get? For bonus moron points show your work.

A BAR, full auto of course. But as I couldn't afford it I'm going to hold out on a rifle till I can.

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 12:25 PM (Ot7+c)

34 31
Javens looks exactly like mine so maybe it does have as many parts. Probably just never totally stripped it down.

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 12:23 PM (Ot7+c)
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I just field strip any firearm I might need to clean.

Posted by: Javems at June 11, 2017 12:26 PM (yOqwj)

35 As a kid I loved my Marlin Model 39 lever action chambered for .22 LR. It was great for plinking, Ammo is cheap, recoil was light to non existent. It's a great first rifle. Out on my uncle's ranch in SE Arizona it was good to shoot at rabbits---never hit one because those Arizona jack rabbits accelerate like a dragster. OTOH very few of them outran my grandfather's 12 gauge shotgun. It's horses (or weapons) for courses.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at June 11, 2017 12:26 PM (Sda6L)

36 When I was a kid, we reloaded shotshells with the Lee hand loaders. I had a few primer sockets leak hot gas when fired, and you felt it on your forehead with a break action single shot 20ga.

Then I was given a used pump, 20ga, that would, on rare occasions, discharge when a shell was chambered.

Back in the old flintlock, civil war days, it was said that shooters would turn their head away just as they discharged their weapons.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 11, 2017 12:28 PM (m9X4Y)

37 I toured the USS Gabrielle Giffords, LCS-10, on Friday at Galveston. She was open to the public that day, and the commissioning ceremony was yesterday morning (Saturday). Saw an M-14 on an exhibit table with other hand-held weapons, and I thought it was for sniping. No! A gunner's mate told us it is used for line-throwing, to send a messenger line to nearby ship so a tow line or refueling line can then be hauled over. He said it uses a "rubber bullet" but had no demo item. So I looked this info up on the interwebs:

http://tinyurl.com/y9bjwkw4

http://tinyurl.com/y7pmsuhu

Amazing. As a hard-core land-lubber, I had no idea. The gunner's mate said the Navy has to keep the M-14 for this because the M-16 does not have the necessary oomph (his term).

Regarding the ship herself: Seems woefully under-armed for any purpose. One 57mm rapid fire gun, several hand-held .50 cal and 7.62mm machine guns, one 11-shot anti-aircraft/anti-missile SEARAM launcher, and a blank space forward reserved for a 16-cell (maybe more) Tomahawk vertical launch outfit. Hangars for two SH-160 helicopters. And that's it. I know the helos can carry anti-sub torpedoes and maybe Hellfire missiles, but helos are vulnerable to AA fire. Strange design choices.

Posted by: Gref at June 11, 2017 12:31 PM (AMIL/)

38 The glock is not beautiful.

Posted by: MSM at June 11, 2017 12:32 PM (P/kVC)

39 There are any number of firearms I'd love to have but there's just no way. G36 full-auto for example. MP5, full auto, suppressed. AA12.

Posted by: Insomniac, forgotten but not yet gone at June 11, 2017 12:33 PM (0mRoj)

40 Thanks for the suggestions! I should have specified that I already own a .22 (a beautiful old 50s High Power with tube mag) and am looking for a 'next step' rifle. Pretty set on a S&W MP15 but I'd love to hear other's stories. Hard to ask the question without it becoming an AR15 discussion which is why I phrased it the way I did.

Posted by: phone of kari - certified sidebar at June 11, 2017 12:35 PM (GiqxU)

41 I recently rediscovered my 35+ year old S&W 78G .22 cal air pistol, which I played with as a kid. Seals were all rotten, so I tore it completely down, gave it a thorough cleaning, replaced the seals, and put it all back together. Still actually waiting on one part (a roll pin), but it looks like new and should shoot like new. These things are supposed to be tack drivers and are well respected in the air pistol community. Looking forward to shooting it again.

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at June 11, 2017 12:35 PM (3JQ/p)

42 "Anything with that many parts is an affront to John Browning and all that is holy."

That's what I like about my Mossberg 500s. Officially, they have seventy-some parts, but...

There is no reason to mess with the trigger group or the bolt assembly, so that eliminates about half the parts. Unless you're modifying or repairing it, there's no reason to disassemble the recoil pad on the stock or the magazine tube; about fifteen more parts down. Same with sights, safety, bolt retainer, forearm assembly.

You're left with: Stock/receiver/magazine tube assembly, trigger group, bolt assembly, bolt slider, two extractor arms, shell elevator, barrel, forearm assembly and retaining pin. Ten "parts". My 20g has one additional part - a changeable choke tube.

(See Mossberg 500/835 exploded view here: http://tiny.cc/loyrly )

Posted by: Rusty Bill at June 11, 2017 12:36 PM (HBMMh)

43 DRATS! Should be SH-60 helicopters not SH-160.

Posted by: Gref at June 11, 2017 12:37 PM (AMIL/)

44 I look at the chart up top (I've got my share of Ruger Mk IIs and similar) and wonder why people ask why I like T/C Contenders, single shot BP rifles, and muzzleloaders.

Accurate and, relatively, fool proof are my friends.

Posted by: JTB at June 11, 2017 12:38 PM (V+03K)

45 I got tired of having leftover parts on reassembly, so I took the Sig Sauer armorer's course.

Posted by: Weasel at June 11, 2017 12:38 PM (Sfs6o)

46 Gref - More weapons than I would have thought

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 12:39 PM (Ot7+c)

47 A BAR, full auto of course. But as I couldn't afford it I'm going to hold out on a rifle till I can.
Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 12:25 PM (Ot7+c)

I love the look of the FAL (minus carrying handle) and don't own any other rifle for pretty much this reason.

Posted by: phone of kari - certified sidebar at June 11, 2017 12:39 PM (GiqxU)

48 That is a Ruger .44 mag on the bottom.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 11, 2017 12:09 PM (mpXpK)

It's a Colt Peacemaker. Probably a replica.

It doesn't have the Ruger symbol on the grips.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2017 12:40 PM (rF0hx)

49 Regarding the ship herself: Seems woefully under-armed for any purpose. One 57mm rapid fire gun, several hand-held .50 cal and 7.62mm machine guns, one 11-shot anti-aircraft/anti-missile SEARAM launcher, and a blank space forward reserved for a 16-cell (maybe more) Tomahawk vertical launch outfit. Hangars for two SH-160 helicopters. And that's it. I know the helos can carry anti-sub torpedoes and maybe Hellfire missiles, but helos are vulnerable to AA fire. Strange design choices.

Posted by: Gref at June 11, 2017 12:31 PM (AMIL/)

A hand-held .50 cal machine gun? Why am I doubting this? I know they never mounted a .50 cal on the M29 Weasel because it would shake the poor thing apart.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 11, 2017 12:40 PM (7MWCL)

50 My first rifle, I still have. Cooey model 750 single-shot boltie .22, recently rehabilitated after languishing many years with its bolt lost in the woods. Got a new (used) bolt, and after some careful fitting, it works 100%. Has already accounted for one gopher at Peon Manor.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 11, 2017 12:23 PM (7MWCL)

Bolt action .22s are such a blast. I have many confirmed crab apple kills with my buddy's.

Posted by: phone of kari - certified sidebar at June 11, 2017 12:41 PM (GiqxU)

51 Posted by: Javems at June 11, 2017 12:16 PM (yOqwj)

Shut your whore mouth.

You will not blaspheme on this thread.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2017 12:42 PM (rF0hx)

52 First rifle?

Gotta be a .22 and probably a single shot. This is how good habits are instilled. For a lever action, the Henry Golden Boy in the short "kid size" is pretty slick. Some of them have a real nice figure on the walnut. Everybody likes black plastic and .mil styling, I say bah. Steel, brass, wood, rainbow bluing is where it's at. Repro percussion blackpowder pistols are good value for the money and lots of fun. They go "Boom"! instead of "crack!" and lots of smoke. Goex Black Powder, accept no substitutes. Maybe Swiss.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 11, 2017 12:42 PM (/OEmT)

53 11 If you were buying your first rifle what would you get? For bonus moron points show your work.
Posted by: phone of kari - certified sidebar at June 11, 2017 12:04 PM (GiqxU)

Already some good points made.
It really depends on what you intend to use it for.
If just for fun, as mentioned, the 22 is pretty good. Cheap, lots of ammo, easy to use and to learn with.
Bigger calibers are also fun but ammo gets more expensive...but that is a relative issue for a hobby. 5.56 caliber systems are plentiful and some basic reading can point you towards the better ones. Frequent reading here on ACE is valuable for opinions and this place has lots of those.
For hunting, consider where and what you will hunt. If open spaces, then something flat shooting with range is good. If brushy areas, you can alter that. I go with a .308 as it is an all purpose round that you can step up or down depending on the game and area. For birds of course, the shotgun.
Notice I didn't mention any specific weapon, just sizes. A weapon is a tool, figure out what you want to use it for and buy the right tool.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 11, 2017 12:42 PM (0tfLf)

54 Re: Alberta Oil Peon @ #49

Probably means a pintle mount, as opposed to a premanent, bolted-on mount.

Posted by: Rusty Bill at June 11, 2017 12:43 PM (HBMMh)

55 I was shooting trap with my 12 year old yesterday and both of us are new to the sport.

Went the to store afterwards to get more ammunition and couldn't help thinking that some ammunition is better for trap shooting than others.

My son was shooting:
20 2-3/4 7/8 6

I was shooting
12 2-3/4 1 7-1/2

Are this optimal for shooting clays? Any suggestions?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks and his flaming boner of winning at June 11, 2017 12:45 PM (18h+i)

56 Cool French WWI museum.

https://youtu.be/B8lHUXA83Oc

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fart Leader at June 11, 2017 12:47 PM (Nwg0u)

57 Is that last gun a Vaquero? I bought one with my George W Bush Tax Rebate years ago. 7.5 inch barrel. .44 mag. It's a handful to shoot.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 11, 2017 12:47 PM (2VN2E)

58 A hand-held .50 cal machine gun? Why am I doubting
this? I know they never mounted a .50 cal on the M29 Weasel because it
would shake the poor thing apart.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 11, 2017 12:40 PM (7MWCL)

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You got me. Please pardon my not-quite awake Sunday morning wording. The M-2 .50's and the M-240 7.62 mm machine guns are installed on pintles scattered around the ship, as-needed, and hand-TRAINED.

Posted by: Gref at June 11, 2017 12:48 PM (AMIL/)

59 Are this optimal for shooting clays? Any suggestions?

Why, a clay-more, of course.

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at June 11, 2017 12:48 PM (Tyii7)

60 Probably means a pintle mount, as opposed to a premanent, bolted-on mount.

Posted by: Rusty Bill at June 11, 2017 12:43 PM (HBMMh)

Got it. I don't think even the pintle mount was used on the M29's, because of the recoil issue. That, and they were originally designated a "cargo carrier". I do believe they mounted the 106 mm recoilless rifle on Weasels in the Korean War era, and possibly, as a test, the launcher for the Davy Crockett nuke.

I own a Weasel, hence the interest.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 11, 2017 12:48 PM (7MWCL)

61 I should read the rest of the comments before I ask questions.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 11, 2017 12:48 PM (2VN2E)

62 @55

Go with the smaller pellet size (larger number), 7 and a half for dove, or clay pigeons. You get more pellets in each shell and a better chance of hitting the target.

20 ga is nice for clays, unless you are at one of those professional tourneys where the clay accelerates out of the launcher and is fifty yards down range before you have the gun mounted. It will have a shorter barrel, and lighter weight, quicker handling. I loved my little single shot 20ga, even when I shot my father's long barrel 12ga.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 11, 2017 12:51 PM (m9X4Y)

63 @55

Go with the smaller pellet size (larger number), 7 and a half for dove, or clay pigeons. You get more pellets in each shell and a better chance of hitting the target.

20 ga is nice for clays, unless you are at one of those professional tourneys where the clay accelerates out of the launcher and is fifty yards down range before you have the gun mounted. It will have a shorter barrel, and lighter weight, quicker handling. I loved my little single shot 20ga, even when I shot my father's long barrel 12ga.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 11, 2017 12:51 PM (m9X4Y)

64 well give me a swirly and I'll post it twice.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 11, 2017 12:53 PM (m9X4Y)

65 A hand-held .50 cal machine gun? Why am I doubting
this?

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Wussy.

Posted by: John Rambo at June 11, 2017 12:53 PM (ANIFC)

66 I think the diagram is the Mark III. It still has the old take-down style.

Posted by: irright at June 11, 2017 12:54 PM (vqzjE)

67 Wussy.

Piker.

Posted by: The Terminator at June 11, 2017 12:55 PM (Tyii7)

68 Prior to the Vulture, has Micheal Keaton played any villains other than In Pacific Heights? As Bruce the shark in Jaws was to swimming in the ocean, Michael Keaton as the tenant in Pacific Heights was to being a landlord. Both made the idea scary and unappealing.

Posted by: Luau John at June 11, 2017 12:56 PM (0m0zi)

69 I own a Weasel, hence the interest.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 11, 2017 12:48 PM (7MWCL)
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Free the Weasel!

Posted by: Weasel at June 11, 2017 12:56 PM (Sfs6o)

70 I can actually reassemble a Ruger Mark III 22/45 without swearing. Send me yours if you need help. Riiiiight.
Now, to read the comments.

Posted by: RI Red - in the pink and on the porch at June 11, 2017 12:56 PM (CmHaJ)

71 Wish list:
20ga break action
357 wheelgun
Slimmed down sci-fi FAL
Springfield bolt action
1911
Peacemaker

Posted by: phone of kari - certified sidebar at June 11, 2017 12:57 PM (GiqxU)

72 A weasel is a type of ...

... vehicle?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 11, 2017 12:57 PM (m9X4Y)

73 65 A hand-held .50 cal machine gun? Why am I doubting
this?
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Wussy.
Posted by: John Rambo at June 11, 2017 12:53 PM (ANIFC)
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I have a Desert Eagle in .50AE which is a handful.

Posted by: Weasel at June 11, 2017 12:57 PM (Sfs6o)

74 I would like to have a Henry lever action .410. Very expensive but what the hell.

Posted by: Ronster at June 11, 2017 12:58 PM (CDUSe)

75 "Anything with that many parts is an affront to John Browning and all that is holy."

Your basic Glock has just 34 parts.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 11, 2017 12:59 PM (pV/54)

76
72 A weasel is a type of ...

... vehicle?
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 11, 2017 12:57 PM (m9X4Y)
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A very handsome vehicle.

Posted by: Weasel at June 11, 2017 01:00 PM (Sfs6o)

77 Rusty Bill, yes, the Mossberg 500 is quite simple. Moreover, one doesn't really have to clean it that much. Nor is lubrication very extensive or complicated.

Lemmiwinks, as for trap loads, I dunno, but I generally just get the "low-recoil" loads (in 7.5, 8, or 9-size shot) for trap and general target use. And since I don't/probably won't reload shotshells, and live in CA, I'm accumulating as large a stockpile of said ammo as practical over the next 6 months.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 11, 2017 01:02 PM (QDnY+)

78 The weasel looks like a tank whose turret has been replaced with a hot tub.

Posted by: Luau John at June 11, 2017 01:04 PM (0m0zi)

79 I loved my little single shot 20ga, even when I shot my father's long barrel 12ga.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse
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My boyhood 20 ga. Fox Model B, 26" Improved and Modified barrels remains my favorite bird gun of all time. A very pretty gun also.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 11, 2017 01:05 PM (OdK9v)

80

Another kind of weapon schematic (for those of us who are Real Serious about Weapons & Hunting):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJBpkz29-DQ

and, as an extra special bonus, Reloading:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzpXZX39Eb4

This last one will get a lot of ATF attention ...

Posted by: Arbalest at June 11, 2017 01:06 PM (FlRtG)

81

I got in before the rush and bought a Mark III 22/45, which I'll probably never disassemble.

I've read that if the break open lever on a shotgun is offset to one side (don't remember which side) it means the latch mechanism is worn.

I remember looking at a side by side double barrel shotgun in a pawn shop that had a really sloppy latch mechanism. I've found that pawn shops are where guns with problems end up.

Posted by: Frankly at June 11, 2017 01:07 PM (lm9Jx)

82 Oh - and gun thread!

Thanks CBD.

For once I didn't miss the gun thread by 5 hours (though the last one I missed because I was shooting all morning, appropriately enough).

Posted by: rhomboid at June 11, 2017 01:07 PM (QDnY+)

83 And no, I've never been unable to reassemble any firearm, though I don't
have any particularly complicated ones (no ARs built, yet), and I don't
take the side-plates off revolvers, so that keeps things simple.
Probably *will* take the side-plate off the new-to-me Model 60 snub, to
install the lighter spring set, that will be a first for that procedure.

However
..... I am sort of implicated in terms of this issue (reassembly
challenges), as my new-to-me surplus CZ-83 (and the new one I bought and
put away) have a notoriously difficult reassembly process when it comes
to the sear spring assembly.

I prefer to totally disassemble
surplus guns, and clean the bejeesus out of them, depending on model.
But I stopped disassembling the CZ-83 when I read/saw the difficulty of
reassembling the sear assembly. It works just fine, so no harm ......
but I would like to fully disassemble and clean, at least once.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 11, 2017 01:07 PM (QDnY+)

84 A hand-held .50 cal machine gun? Why am I doubting
this?
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Wussy.
Posted by: John Rambo at June 11, 2017 12:53 PM (ANIFC)
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I have a Desert Eagle in .50AE which is a handful.
Posted by: Weasel
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Handful? You want a handful and John Browning? Try an M2. No, no...not that M2, this M2.
http://tinyurl.com/y87ogxv9

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 11, 2017 01:11 PM (OdK9v)

85 So...admit it...you've stripped one of your weapons just a bit too far, and had to sneak over to the gun shop in the next town and have their gunsmith reassemble it.

Not since the YouTube. It's the greatest DIY resource ever. Not just for what to do, but for what not to do.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 11, 2017 01:12 PM (LTHVh)

86 this M2.

Ah, a fishing lure.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 11, 2017 01:14 PM (LTHVh)

87 Grump is right - UTube is a great resource for gun work. Naturally the quality varies, and you have to use your own judgement and filters. But there are some excellent videos on firearms assembly and maintenance. As well as "hold my beer and watch this" idiocy (and plenty where eye/ear protection are missing).

Posted by: rhomboid at June 11, 2017 01:15 PM (QDnY+)

88 You can throw your arm out with one of those.
Hell, I can't even throw a pebble any more.
I should add rock throwing to my daily work out routine.

Never know when you might need to throw a rock.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 11, 2017 01:16 PM (m9X4Y)

89 Jerry Michulek (sp?) has a DVD on smoothing the action of a S and W Model 10 revolver which requires taking it down completely. I don't know if the reassembly would apply to other DA revolvers.

Posted by: JTB at June 11, 2017 01:16 PM (V+03K)

90 73 65 A hand-held .50 cal machine gun? Why am I doubting
this?
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Wussy.
Posted by: John Rambo at June 11, 2017 12:53 PM (ANIFC)
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I have a Desert Eagle in .50AE which is a handful.
Posted by: Weasel at June 11, 2017 12:57 PM (Sfs6o)

I've only shot a DE in .44 magnum. The gun's so damn heavy the felt recoil is surprisingly low.

Posted by: Insomniac, forgotten but not yet gone at June 11, 2017 01:17 PM (0mRoj)

91 Nice! .45 Colt revolver! I've got one of these that's approaching its 140th year!

And I'm pretty sure that's the Ruger Mk III. It's a real b**ch to field strip the first time, and reassembly can be very challenging. Once you've done it a few times, it loosens up just a tad, and then you learn the tricks of aligning that troublesome hammer spur. The MkII's, IIRC did not have that "safety key."

A nephew had one of the Mk III's that would fire every time you moved the lever from the "safe" position. Very scary!

Posted by: DaveK at June 11, 2017 01:17 PM (662NC)

92 And yes the oddly-named "bullet guide" in the Garand (think that's the part) can easily be inserted upside-down, and you won't notice till the whole thing's together. Did this once, first time re-assembling. Of course I don't take the Garands apart very much, absolute minimum, so the process is hardly routine and I'll probably do that mistake again.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 11, 2017 01:18 PM (QDnY+)

93 A weasel is a type of ...

... vehicle?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 11, 2017 12:57 PM (m9X4Y)

Yes, vehicle. Weighs about 5000 pounds. Mine would look like this if I painted on the markings, and mounted the Artic cab, which I do have:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/yatfhlr8

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 11, 2017 01:18 PM (7MWCL)

94
Handful? You want a handful and John Browning? Try an M2. No, no...not that M2, this M2.
http://tinyurl.com/y87ogxv9
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 11, 2017 01:11 PM (OdK9v)
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True story - I had an inert M2 which I took to elementary skrool for show and tell. Didn't cause a single raised eyebrow. Different times.

Posted by: Weasel at June 11, 2017 01:19 PM (Sfs6o)

95 Probably miss the rest of the gum thread. Gotta go clean my Wrigley 870 pump.

Posted by: RI Red - in the pink and on the porch at June 11, 2017 01:19 PM (CmHaJ)

96 42,

"That's what I like about my Mossberg 500s. Officially, they have seventy-some parts, but..."

I have 2 of those. Many years ago I loaned one to a friend from work to go hunting and he broke the firing pin, somehow - likely dry firing it. Ordered a new one but it took much time to find and get so I made a replacement myself copying the original. Getting it out and the replacement back in was not fun IIRC. The one I made is still in it and works fine and the replacement I bought is still in my gun parts box.

I recommend getting the appropriate one of these if you are going to tear down a gun.

http://tinyurl.com/yd6j28kr

Posted by: geoffb5 at June 11, 2017 01:20 PM (d3wbb)

97
Re: irright @ #66

It is. The jpg identifies as the Mk III.

Posted by: Rusty Bill at June 11, 2017 01:21 PM (HBMMh)

98 Alberta Oil Peon at June 11, 2017 01:18 PM

Ah Hah!. Looks like a snow cat.

Nothing like what
Luau John at June 11, 2017 01:04 PM
said at #78

I have a vague memory of a WWII tracked vehicle like Luau John described. Anti tank weapon as I remember it. Tiny little thing easy to hide.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 11, 2017 01:21 PM (m9X4Y)

99 Love the XD but have not fully disassembled it. Springfield recommends against. Fair number of pins, etc. Looks like more work than a 1911, which is pretty easy. Once I have a full set of punches (roll pin, starter, etc.) I might be tempted to try.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 11, 2017 01:23 PM (QDnY+)

100 So...admit it...you've stripped one of your weapons just a bit too far, and had to sneak over to the gun shop in the next town and have their gunsmith reassemble it.
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I once left a pin out when reassembling a Remington 1100 12ga. The consequences continue to haunt me until this day. I wounded a deer, and was unable to make a follow-up shot immediately. I have never forgiven myself, and I'm certain that I never will.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 11, 2017 01:23 PM (OdK9v)

101 Posted by: rhomboid at June 11, 2017 01:07 PM (QDnY+)

How was your trip? I hope you guys had a nice time.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 11, 2017 01:28 PM (Ri/rl)

102 True story - I had an inert M2 which I took to elementary skrool for show and tell. Didn't cause a single raised eyebrow. Different times.
Posted by: Weasel
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When I was kid, someone (Mattel?) made a plastic version that would fire a cap. Heck, we John Wayned those things all over the neighborhood. Later, we took to boring a small hole in the base of a pine cone, and inserting a firecracker. Light fuse, hold it as long as you dared, then toss.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 11, 2017 01:28 PM (OdK9v)

103 Calcio Storico semi final ends in a riot. Blues disqualified. Whites win. you can't kick the ref in the nuts apparently.

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 11, 2017 01:28 PM (nFwvY)

104 For some reason, I do my best shotgunning with a SxS. I know pumps, autos and O/Us are more popular these days. My old Stevens 20 and 12 gauges (or 12 ga. ML) do the job for me. Not the first time I'm out of step with the times.

Anyone else have this preference?

Posted by: JTB at June 11, 2017 01:30 PM (V+03K)

105 the riot never really got going. riot police flooded the field.

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 11, 2017 01:31 PM (nFwvY)

106 I stripped my P228 down to component parts once. Had to study a couple of YouTube videos to get it back together, but I succeeded.

Posted by: Socratese at June 11, 2017 01:32 PM (2GbWn)

107
With regard to break open shotguns, the internet sez that if the break open lever is offset to the left it means the latch mechanism is worn and sloppy. If it's offset to the right it's good and tight.

Like politics.

Posted by: Frankly at June 11, 2017 01:33 PM (lm9Jx)

108
If you have a Ruger MkIII or lower, pick up one of the quick-disassembly kits from Majestic Arms. Easy to install, and makes things a whole lot easier.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 11, 2017 01:34 PM (XWkhW)

109 I was at a gun shop and the owner asked me, since I had one, to take down an Astra 400 (Spanish service pistol).
I took it apart, and put it on the mat, and told him for $20 I'd put it back together again.
His wife started laughing.

the Astra 400 (and the variants) can be tricky to take apart since you have to pinch the slide back only so far, and twist the barrel to dismount it, and keep control of all the parts that are under spring pressure until you have it apart. Not a game for small hands.

So, any Mauser C-96 stories out there?

Posted by: Kindltot at June 11, 2017 01:35 PM (mkDpn)

110
So, any Mauser C-96 stories out there?

Posted by: Kindltot at June 11, 2017 01:35 PM (mkDpn)

Best I can come up with is that I saw a Red 9 for the first time at the Mesquite gun show a couple of weeks ago. Since I'm broke, I didn't bother asking about price. Grrrrrrrrrrr

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 11, 2017 01:39 PM (XWkhW)

111 And the kid with the shotgun, probably the spring detent on the break lever is weak or the lever is worn, and the shot jarred it open. There may be old oil and dirt gumming things up in there too. Not particularly safe.

But when he dropped it from his shoulder he clearly was prepping to break it open, and since it was already broken open he discovered the eject spring from the chamber was quite strong and lively indeed!

Posted by: Kindltot at June 11, 2017 01:40 PM (mkDpn)

112 It was MACO that made the toy cap-firing M2 replica. It would certainly cause a case of the vapors among the snowflakes of today.

pic: http://tinyurl.com/y9kpq86y

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 11, 2017 01:41 PM (ZO497)

113 Anyone else have this preference?
Posted by: JTB
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Me.
Those O&U guys are just snobs.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 11, 2017 01:44 PM (ZO497)

114 CaliGirl - trip was great, thanks!

We both got the small spenser at Jocko's .... probably could have split one (loved the intact 60s vibe at Jocko's, and surprised at how inexpensive it is).

Ended up going to Bob's in Los Alamos twice for breakfast - that's how good it is.

One thing - wanted to bring some cen. coast beef for dinner with friends in Ventura, where we overnighted on our way back south. Nope. Helpful guy at Woody's in Santa Maria said PJ Custom (?) up in Paso was only place to get it locally (El Rancho in S. Ynez said they had frozen). Jamie at Bell Farms said he didn't have any suggestions. Even stopped by Hitching Post II on the way out and talked with the chef - he said they use mostly Kansas City prime, had no suggestions. Frustrating - surrounded by cattle, no local beef to be had!

Did get some amazing produce at Finley Farms farmstand, though (best strawberries ever). Wine highlights were familiar friends - Alma Rosa, Riverbench, Foxen, and Montemar in the Lompoc gheto. Tried some small places up in Edna Valley - nice, but not same level.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 11, 2017 01:45 PM (QDnY+)

115 It was MACO that made the toy cap-firing M2 replica. It would certainly cause a case of the vapors among the snowflakes of today.

pic: http://tinyurl.com/y9kpq86y

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 11, 2017 01:41 PM (ZO497)

That looks pretty realistic. What fired the cap? Was there a spring-loaded device that would hit the cap, triggered by the shock of the toy grenade hitting the ground after being thrown?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 11, 2017 01:45 PM (7MWCL)

116 I bought a Bell and Carlson synthetic stock for a new CZ 527 in .223. I got the one with the one piece embedded aluminum block, so there was no need for glass bedding.

Was having some acurracy issues, but it turns out that this rifle likes 55 or 60gr. bullets,( Blitz King and Bergers) with 25.5 gr of VV 135.

1/2 inch groups at 100 yards. Better than I can shoot, so I'm happy.

The Bell and Carlson stock is great! Fit was perfect and it looks good.

A friend of mine bought one of the wood laminated stocks,( I forget from who), that was about $100 for his Howa 22-250 and it works fine. Looks good too!

Posted by: Charles Martel at June 11, 2017 01:47 PM (6NPe1)

117 Ah, a fishing lure.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 11, 2017 01:14 PM (LTHVh)

*BOOM*"That's just the cook, fishing.""With a hand grenade?!"- "PT-109" (1963)

Posted by: Rusty Bill at June 11, 2017 01:48 PM (HBMMh)

118 Formula one Canadian Grand Prix race is about to start on NBC

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 01:48 PM (Ot7+c)

119 Yeah, I tore down the Marlin Model 60 .22 tube-feed rifle and just couldn't get it back together right. It's still in the gun cabinet, but it'll take a gunsmith to set things right.

Posted by: Jeffersonian at June 11, 2017 01:49 PM (xiOrX)

120 When I was in grade school we had gun safety instruction one day, which included shooting skeet with a .22 rifle loaded with bird shot. Boys only. The school was right in the middle of town. We shot into a grove of trees.

Posted by: Javems at June 11, 2017 01:49 PM (yOqwj)

121 Yup.....that's a Mark III.

But it is indicative of the over-engineered Ruger .22

My H&K USP is even easier to take down than my 1911.

I like simplicity in my guns.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2017 01:50 PM (rF0hx)

122 Had one of those toy grenades. Cap pistols. If I were the kind to weep, I'd weep at the decline in our culture since I played with those.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 11, 2017 01:50 PM (QDnY+)

123 That looks pretty realistic. What fired the cap? Was there a spring-loaded device that would hit the cap, triggered by the shock of the toy grenade hitting the ground after being thrown?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Since you asked, short Youtube video: http://tinyurl.com/yc9dhqzx

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 11, 2017 01:50 PM (ZO497)

124 I always loved the look of FN-FAL's since my Air Force days reading SOF

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 01:51 PM (Ot7+c)

125 As always watch NBCand during commercials flip to UniMas

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 01:52 PM (Ot7+c)

126 Safety car is on track already , two cars out.

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 01:54 PM (Ot7+c)

127 Safety car is on track already , two cars out.
Posted by: Skip
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The Turn One rush hour?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 11, 2017 01:56 PM (ZO497)

128 124 I always loved the look of FN-FAL's since my Air Force days reading SOF
Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 01:51 PM (Ot7+c)

How much of SOF was legit and how much was bullshit? I always wondered this.

Posted by: Insomniac, forgotten but not yet gone at June 11, 2017 01:56 PM (0mRoj)

129 I once broke down my AR just to reapply oil to it. Reassembled it and pulled the charging handle a few times. The last time it locked up, completely.

I took it to a shop because I was pretty sure I was going to have to finally buy an armorer's wrench to fix it. The guy there said yep, you're going to have to take the buffer tube off. What happened was the firing pin retaining pin didn't engage all the way and the firing pin jumped out and that was what was locking the BCG up.

What a pain in the ass that was. But ultimately I was glad it was a relatively inexpensive fix.

Posted by: Reality Winner at June 11, 2017 01:57 PM (phoPy)

130 That looks pretty realistic. What fired the cap? Was there a spring-loaded device that would hit the cap, triggered by the shock of the toy grenade hitting the ground after being thrown?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Since you asked, short Youtube video: http://tinyurl.com/yc9dhqzx
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
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Shorter answer: Yes.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 11, 2017 02:02 PM (ZO497)

131 The FN-FAL Saive tipping bolt design is one of the most elegant designs I have ever seen. It is up there with the original Mannlicher pistol design, and I still think it is better suited than other (*coughStonerCough*) actions.

Though I admit I could be completely wrongheaded on this.

I was doing an explanation on various types of actions once, from the various straight blow-backs, the various ways to get a hesitation blow back, and various locked breech designs. The two rifle actions that caught my eye were the FN-FAL and the VZ-52.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 11, 2017 02:04 PM (mkDpn)

132 I was a big reader of SOF 78 -80 while in England. Had lots of first person stories from Rhodesia and South Africa then.

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 02:07 PM (Ot7+c)

133 Shorter answer: Yes.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 11, 2017 02:02 PM (ZO497)

Ah, good. Tried to watch the youtube, but it went into buffer right away. Bandwidth is poor here at the rig.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 11, 2017 02:07 PM (7MWCL)

134 Voltage to the old football field the riot police, stop the game
The race between blue and white was declared closed permanently after a few minutes

Florence, 11 June 2017 - Moments of great tension in the Piazza Santa Croce in the historic Florentine football during the 2017 semi-final between the blue of the Holy Cross and the white of the Holy Spirit . The attack on an arbitrator, the race has led management to suspend the game, which was initiated by not much. The match was then finally closed. Moreover, the police decided to enter the field in riot gear to separate the two teams. Now the old Football Committee will meet to decide who to win the game.

A situation very tense that just has suggested the intervention of the police. Hence the interruption of the race , as some expelled did not want to leave the playing field. Long a meeting of the competition management to evaluate what to do. But in the end the match was declared closed. There were by now be merit to continue. It was a long time not seen scenes like the old football .

At the time of suspension, the Blues were leading hunts for two and a half. The referee assault, first pushed and then shot in the leg by two members of the Blues, has been criticized by those present. And there have been a number of appeals by the race direction to lead to more expelled merciful. Delicate also the outflow time of the two fans, realized in mass to support the respective colors. Too bad for the aftermath of a day that began in the best way. After the good match between red and green of Saturday, June 10, there were all the conditions for another great show on the pitch and in the stands. So it was not.

Loss in the stands. First came the supporters of white, then it was the turn of the blue. Drain the two sides at different times was a decision taken by the police to avoid further friction around Piazza Santa Croce.

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 11, 2017 02:07 PM (nFwvY)

135 Cars dropping like flies, Verstappen is done from the #2 position

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 02:09 PM (Ot7+c)

136 Posted by: rhomboid at June 11, 2017 01:45 PM (QDnY+)

We buy a whole cow and have it butchered. I don't know who my husband uses to butcher. Used to be cattaneo bros.

Everyone used to use Harris Ranch beef. I'll ask where the far western gets their beef.

Jocko's uses Costco meat. They age it and cut it themselves.
There used to be meat markets everywhere, not anymore.
I love Bob's too. Was he nice? He can be rude. The food is excellent.

I shop at el rancho. My husband doesn't like it because it's expensive.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 11, 2017 02:09 PM (Ri/rl)

137 I like everything about the FAL except that non-rotating bolt.

As I've noted before, the only rifles I have ever had case separation in were the FAL and the SKS, both tilting lock mechanisms. I think the rotating bolt breaks out the spend cartridge better than just yanking it backwards.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 11, 2017 02:12 PM (LTHVh)

138 I used a Numrich schematic one time to figure out the ejector on one of my Rashid's fell out and how to snap it back in again with the retaining spring.

I used the Hakim schematic which is the Rashid's big brother. Gotta think outside the box sometimes.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 11, 2017 02:14 PM (5VlCp)

139 Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 01:48 PM (Ot7+c)

Thanks Skip. So far so good.

Posted by: Golfman at June 11, 2017 02:15 PM (48QDY)

140 Do any of you Morons have experience with the 6 and 6.5MM Creedmor cartridges?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 11, 2017 02:17 PM (LTHVh)

141 Besides Hammy I keep hoping for good results from Haas but they do seem to keep doing stupid things.

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 02:21 PM (Ot7+c)

142 140 Do any of you Morons have experience with the 6 and 6.5MM Creedmor cartridges?
Posted by: Grump928(c)

Not yet. Been thinking bout it. I do believe my son picked up something or another in 6.5.

No I don't keep track. Hard enough to keep track of mine. Heh.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 11, 2017 02:24 PM (di1hb)

143 Re: re-stocking R700/

I swapped out the factory tupperware for a Magpul Hunter. This is for the 338 Win Mag. I opted for the DBM add-on.

I have not shot it yet as I still need to get some glass for it.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 11, 2017 02:27 PM (di1hb)

144 48 Ruger to my knowledge never did color case hardening, did they?

Posted by: richard mcenroe at June 11, 2017 02:29 PM (JkSZW)

145 140 Do any of you Morons have experience with the 6 and 6.5MM Creedmor cartridges?
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 11, 2017 02:17 PM (LTHVh)
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I shoot the 260Remington and 6.5-284 competitively if that's helpful

Posted by: Weasel at June 11, 2017 02:29 PM (Sfs6o)

146 Do any of you Morons have experience with the 6 and 6.5MM Creedmor cartridges?
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 11, 2017 02:17 PM (LTHVh)

A friend of a friend got one for long range shooting because a standard .308 was too hard on his messed up shoulder, and it is supposed to be very accurate with little kick.
This is all hearsay, and I was hoping someone else could tell me if it was worth the conversion.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 11, 2017 02:30 PM (mkDpn)

147 I got a Sig p-320 when they first came out, and then much later when the conversion kit I wanted became available, I bought the sub-compact kit.

I couldn't for anything get the slide assembly to go on. Even though I'm an 'ette, I'm like the old guy stereotype, and just refused to ask for help from the company or go to the gunsmith. There was nothing on YouTube or the Sig forums about it.

Turns out the original instruction book left out the little trick involved, which only pertains to the sub-compact. That's a pisser, but at least I have it together now so all's well that ends well.

at least these Sigs are easy to take down. My little Kahr, which I love, really needs three hands for that although I can do it with just the two with some cussing involved.

Posted by: stace gets two scoops at June 11, 2017 02:30 PM (cJswI)

148 I've never shot a Mark IV.

I know that Ruger introduced the Mark III to be "California Compliant" despite the Mark II being a perfectly spiffy gun. Guess after California went "JK!!1!" Ruger said "f**k it" and introduced the Mark IV.

The Mark II is a fun little 22LR, and my first handgun ... [Insert tragic boating accident story here].

Posted by: The Mark II Hat at June 11, 2017 02:31 PM (vBeA5)

149 OT: DUP may demand Nigel Farage has a role in Brexit negotiations, in exchange for supporting Conservative minority govt

https://twitter.com/SiobhanFenton/status/873900403917803520

Posted by: The Coalition Hat at June 11, 2017 02:32 PM (vBeA5)

150 I shoot the 260Remington and 6.5-284 competitively if that's helpful

So clearly you like it. I'm not much of a long range precision shooter, mostly because I don't have any place that is more that 300 yards to shoot, but I was considering one as a hunting rifle. The idea of a high velocity flat shooting cartridge is attractive. Like a varmint gun for deer.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 11, 2017 02:34 PM (LTHVh)

151 Replace a wood stock with an ugly ol' composite one?
No. Just...no. I have exactly one black gun, and that's my AR. The wood stock is part of the beauty of a good rifle.

Posted by: antisocialist at June 11, 2017 02:38 PM (W2wn0)

152 OT: DUP may demand Nigel Farage has a role in Brexit negotiations, in exchange for supporting Conservative minority govt

https://twitter.com/SiobhanFenton/status/873900403917803520

Posted by: The Coalition Hat at June 11, 2017 02:32 PM (vBeA5)

Sounds good to me. Sure is a lot of unhinged Lefty quacking on that twitter stream.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 11, 2017 02:42 PM (7MWCL)

153 I shoot both out to 1000 yards, but the 260 is my mid range gun and the 6.5-284 is my long range gun. The 6.5-284 shoots flatter but the overbore cartridge comes at the expense of barrel life - I get about 800 rounds from a match barrel. The 260 is better at 2,500 to 3,000 rounds, but again that's for match precision.
The 260 Remington is very popular in Europe as a hunting cartridge from what I understand, but it just never caught on with hunters here.

Posted by: Weasel at June 11, 2017 02:42 PM (Sfs6o)

154 Gref, that's really cool that you got to go to the commissioning. I went the USS San Antonio commissioning in Ingleside (near Corpus), and really enjoyed the ceremony and the tour of ship.

I'm wondering why the hell was Hillary there?

Posted by: stace gets two scoops at June 11, 2017 02:43 PM (cJswI)

155 My latest purchase: a Marlin XT22 bolt gun bought from Gander Mountain's going out of business sale. This is my marksmanship training rifle. The XT22 is drilled and tapped for a Weaver Style scope mount, and that is what I used.

I put the same scope on it that I have on my Remington 700 Long Range in 300 Win Mag; an SWFA fixed 10 power, 42mm objective, rear paralax adjustment, Super Sniper with the MilQuad reticle. For those unfamiliar with the SWFA scope - this is an actual milspec (NATO and US Navy) sniper scope - in my, and many more knowledgeable people's, opinion - to get a better scope than one of these (for long range shooting where the turrets are adjusted to get a firing solution) you would have to spend well over a thousand dollars. The SWFA scope is $299 and is one of the great bargains in rifle scopes. It has enough turret adjustment to take a CCI standard velocity .22LR round out to a 1/4 of a mile from the XT22.

Shooting the XT22 has improved my marksmanship significantly - shooting it a 100 yards is very much like shooting the 300 Win Mag at 300, but a lot less expensive, and a lot easier on my shoulder.

The XT22 - with me shooting it - will group 40 CCI standard velocity rounds (which is not a match round by any means) in about a 3 and 1/2 inch diameter circle at a 100 yards. .22LR really teaches you a lot about reading the wind.

This combo of equipment is highly recommended as a trainer if you have an interest in long distance shooting.

Posted by: An Observation at June 11, 2017 02:44 PM (K/flp)

156 If you were buying your first rifle what would you get?

My first was a Ruger 77/22. Some a-hole stole it and I bought another. Simple, over-built, and damn accurate.

For centerfire, I like the Savage rifles unless you're going to have it gunsmithed. My experience is that they're the most accurate out-of-the-box, and they have a nice trigger. A .260 is low enough in recoil for beginners, but big enough to hunt with.

Posted by: Socratese at June 11, 2017 02:47 PM (2GbWn)

157 I'm wondering why the hell was Hillary there?
Posted by: stace gets two scoops at June 11, 2017 02:43 PM

2020 silly

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 02:47 PM (Ot7+c)

158 Glen Campbell Nood

( would have bet I never would write that)

Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 02:50 PM (Ot7+c)

159 Do any of you Morons have experience with the 6 and 6.5MM Creedmor cartridges?
Posted by: Grump928(c)

I have 6.5 experience, no 6. It's a good match cartridge. Downside vs. .308 for match shooting is barrel life, probably ~4K rounds vs. 6 to 8K for .308. Upside is less recoil, which is why David Tubbs developed it. I didn't find recoil to be that much of a difference, but then I don't put the rounds downrange like he does. <wry grin>

For hunting, the 6.5 was designed for 120 to 140 gr. bullets, not 160.

I'd pick .260 Rem for hunting, since you can form your own brass from .308. But if it's a match rifle you be wanting, the 6.5 Creedmore probably has a bit of an edge over the .260 Rem.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 11, 2017 02:56 PM (DMUuz)

160 I'm wondering why the hell was Hillary there?

Posted by: stace gets two scoops at June 11, 2017 02:43 PM (cJswI)

----I don't know. World GirlPower or something, I guess.

Posted by: Gref at June 11, 2017 03:01 PM (AMIL/)

161 I'm gradually learning more about the AR-15. I bought an FN 15 manufactured by FNH last year prior to the election as insurance in case Hillary won. I knew nothing about them other than people I hate don't want me to have one.

At the time I had a shoulder injury that prevented me from trying out guns, but I lucked out and ended up with a good one for a good price. I paid an NRA instructor for some one on one time and he went through all the mechanics and showed my why I made a good choice.

I've been able to take it to the range a few times. It seems solid and reliable, very happy with it.

I finally had shoulder surgery last week to fix my injury, which has me without use of my right arm for a couple weeks. I've been spending my time watching "how to build an AR" videos which has really helped me understand the mechanics and terminology of the gun.

Posted by: Dave_in_Fla at June 11, 2017 03:25 PM (8y845)

162 Meh, I've never been a fan of Ruger. Back when I was in the motorcycle business they discriminated against motorcyclists who worked for them by denying them insurance because they rode motorcycles.

Posted by: JimK at June 11, 2017 03:49 PM (asEt5)

163 I think that final picture is a Ruger Vaquero. I have one in .45 Colt and it's awesome. I went to a 'politics and guns' getaway in Texas a couple of years ago - Instapundit and some of his Cobs were there, among others. A bunch of us were out on the range, and we eventually got to exchanging guns to shoot. Some of the guys had really nice and expensive guns, but that Vaquero was the most popular. So much fun to shoot (single action).

Posted by: Dave at June 11, 2017 03:51 PM (hEKOK)

164 looks like someone broke the action open whilst they still had the gun up on their shoulder...

idiota or newb

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 11, 2017 03:59 PM (HLXsp)

165 yesterday was a happy day at the toy store: DROSed 3 stripped lowers 2-15 1-10, a barrelled receiver small ring 1916 Mauser, an M-39 Finnish, and a Para-Ord Warthog for HRH.

it's the little things in life... ;-)

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 11, 2017 04:03 PM (HLXsp)

166 oh yeah: ran the SN on the 22/45, and it comes up as an invalid #...

gonna half to call Ruger tomorrow.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 11, 2017 04:05 PM (HLXsp)

167 Well, dang. I have one of the MK 4's, a 22-45. Have not problems as yet. But I try to be careful.

Posted by: Eromero at June 11, 2017 04:24 PM (zLDYs)

168 > So...admit it...you've stripped one of your weapons just a bit too far, and had to sneak over to the gun shop in the next town and have their gunsmith reassemble it.

No, but I took apart my shotgun ( a simple as possible pump) and was baffled on how to reassemble so I had to watch a youtube video over and over to get it right.

Posted by: ArthurK at June 11, 2017 04:54 PM (tq2zh)

169 I have the MK IV Hunter and I'm not giving it up. It's lovely, easy to clean and assemble and more than sufficiently accurate.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 11, 2017 05:01 PM (3OIiX)

170 And, yes, I did disassemble something that I couldn't fix. And ALMOST couldn't fix several others, until I did.

I'm really not good with my hands and with small parts. I never disassemble anything beyond field stripping and preferably I'm not messing with bushings, wrenches or removable cotting pins.

I can SHOOT fine, just...can't do fiddly work worth a damn. I'm lucky to manage Q-tips.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 11, 2017 05:04 PM (3OIiX)

171 It doesn't have the Ruger symbol on the grips.

It also doesn't have four paragraphs of CYA lawyer-ese stamped on every surface.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 11, 2017 05:15 PM (7oUUT)

172 157 I'm wondering why the hell was Hillary there?
Posted by: stace gets two scoops at June 11, 2017 02:43 PM

2020 silly
Posted by: Skip at June 11, 2017 02:47 PM (Ot7+c)

Longtime big military supporter she is.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 11, 2017 05:24 PM (P/kVC)

173 24
Ruger, the BMW of gun makers.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 11, 2017 12:15 PM (lQSMb)
No joke, AP. I once owned a '68 BMW 1602 (predecessor to the 2002, the car that put BMW on the US car map), and it was a simple, beautifully made car that was a blast to drive. Last year my F350 died and given my worsening muscular dystrophy and its effects on my career, I opted to sell its carcass and bought a '92 325i sedan. It was my son's best bud's college car, and had been ridden hard and put away wet; it was rusting out, leather cracked and worn, but it ran great, stopped well, and until the throwout bearing decided to go, shifted perfectly. What repairs I did were simple enough, although replacing the driveshaft's carrier bearing and "guibo" (rubber and fabric flex disc donut) involved removing the cat pipes (which hadn't been removed in 167k mi), the heat shields, etc... Sold it two weeks ago for many times what I paid for it to some young guys who want to rally in it. Son's other best buddy had an '01 525i sedan, automatic, that had been parked for nearly three years due to electrical gremlins, lighting and transmission issues, and its habit of killing batteries within days. Local BMW dealer service dept charged them a lot to tell them they couldn't find anything amiss (idiots). He said if I could get it running it was mine for a grand, so I took that bet. All problems turned out to be due to water infiltration at door vapor barriers and at bottom of A-pillar where a foam seal had dried out and failed. Thanks to youtube and the various BMW websites, I found a 200A fusebox UNDER the freaking carpet on passenger side, in two inches of water (hence the dead batteries). Had to pull pass seat, carpet, glovebox and kick panel. Fixed leaks, replaced trans brain, lighting control module, installed new battery, and it runs like a champ. There is more wiring in this car than most houses, and as you noted, at BMW anything worth engineering is worth over-engineering. It's a nice ride, esp for what I paid, though I wish it were a wagon with a 5-or-6-speed manual...

Posted by: Cowboyneal at June 11, 2017 05:38 PM (NVIvy)

174 Ya couldn't drop a buffalo with those pea-shooters..disco derringers at best..sheesh..PLONK PLONK U win A TEDDY BEAR.

Posted by: saf at June 11, 2017 05:41 PM (+zN6H)

175 You didn't say the caliber if your 700 BDL, but any stock by McMillan is about as good as it gets. https://mcmillanusa.com/mcmillan-rifle-stocks/

Posted by: SledDog at June 11, 2017 06:28 PM (p1l/i)

176 That is a beautiful pistol. Is that a Uberti or a Colt? Either way, 'I WANT ONE.....lol' js

Posted by: Jesse Adair at June 11, 2017 07:03 PM (2X0wR)

177 "For no other reason than it is a beautiful pistol."

It's not a pistol, it's a revolver.

Posted by: Extraneus at June 11, 2017 08:09 PM (pUdxR)

178 144 Ruger to my knowledge never did color case hardening, did they?

Yes, the original Vaqueros were case hardened frames with blued barrels and cylinders.

For a first rifle: A 10-22 is hard to beat, and I've got one with a match barrel, Power Custom trigger group, lightweight hammer, etc. All the goodies. It will keep ten shot inside 1/2-inch all day long. Of course, my plain-Jane, no frills Savage Mk II, which is just the way it left the factory, will do the same thing. The Savages are also available in right and left hand versions, and adult and kid sizes. For really small kids, they also make the Rascal, a bolt action single shot, also available in right and left hand versions.

Going to centerfires, it all depends on what you want to do with it. I'm very fond of the Savage M-11, in 7mm-08 (I own three, and I'm reloading for six, right now). It will take anything in North America (probably not a good first choice for big bears, but otherwise, it's fine) is devilishly accurate, and has a surprisingly low amount of recoil. Ours, so far, have been reliable and durable. Savage rifles, right now, offer the best bang-for-the-buck of any of the major makers.

Posted by: Retired Spook at June 11, 2017 09:09 PM (SQhaZ)

179 My favorite gun show buy is always a Remington Nylon 22, sitting on the table with a plastic bag of loose parts in it. I can put it together in my sleep, but a lot of folks cant. I have had several like that over the years. Less common now that they are getting expensive.......

Posted by: jasonj at June 11, 2017 09:35 PM (/ojGX)

180 Hey, I've got a Ruger 10/22 question.

My brother put me together a Ruger 10/22 out of parts he had laying around (yep, cool brother) and I want to mount this scope without spending too much.
I have: -Picatinny rail, single piece, already screwed on -Leupold VX-2 3-9 x 40 Scope -Leupold DD 30mm Low Rings
I'd rather not buy a whole new system. How can I put this puzzle together? I'm a scope moron (a real one, not AoS one), so assume I know nothing. Cuz I don't.

Posted by: Jason M at June 11, 2017 11:50 PM (S1+dw)

181 Ruger built it's initial business on a pistol that was largely made from stampings, the predecessor of the Mk IV. Speaking as an engineer, this decision usually forces the design to have many more parts than it needs to, but they're cheap. BTW this was the feature that engendered the pejorative "Jap Scrap" in the motorcycling '60s and '70s, and continues to be a feature of the present-day plastic pistols. Yah wanna see a gun with 5 times too many parts, look at Ruger's single shot rifle. Compare with a Browning-designed Winchester 1885.

I also hate Ruger, not just for that motorcycle fiasco, but because they employed one of the most dishonest purchasing agents I ever ran across in my dozen or so years as a sales engineer for machine tool companies. That was over 30 years ago, but it was SO egregious that I've never forgotten it.

Posted by: Chad C. Mulligan at June 12, 2017 02:52 AM (Z+7WE)

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