It's a Long Weekend to Get Your GAINZZZ Up to Speed

Last time, I promised I would either GET GAINZZZin' or I'd make up a lie about GAINZZz GOTTEN.

Well, I lied on both counts. I did not gain a damn thing -- still stuck at the same weight, still same bodyfat. I have gotten back to hard exercise after giving my ailing knees and lower back a break (they seem healed up), but I have no GAINZZZ regarding the overweight.

Again, I stayed low carb but still have not gotten back on IF (like I vowed I would), and this suggests to me that IF is the missing ingredient for GAINZZZ.

I've been off IF long enough that I'm now in the same position that anyone who never tried it is in: Saying "But it's really hard to not eat for 14 or 16 hours."

Sure is! But your body adapts to that and then it feels normal. Unfortunately, your body also adapts to being fed for 14 hours of the day, and then that feels normal, and deviation from that feels hard.

Below, some links about health I've saved.

A few on sleep:

Getting in a good night's sleep feels roughly as good as winning the lottery.

This is another area I've fallen down in -- low sleep is low GAINZZZ, and I"ve been staying up way too late to get in really good sleep.

Getting a good restorative, refreshing night of sleep gets harder as you get older than 30, which, fortunately for me, I haven't done for 15 years and don't plan on doing for another 15. So people like you (but not me) have to be especially vigilant about sleep discipline.

Also, as aging causes reduced sleep quality, reduced sleep quality may also cause the ill effects of aging.

And it's no coincidence, the researchers say, that this is also about the time we start to show signs of aging.
More frighteningly, however, report co-author Professor Matthew Walker said, is that lack of sleep has also been linked with a host of deadly diseases, particularly those affecting the brain.
"Every one of the major diseases that are killing us in first-world nations -- from diabetes to obesity to Alzheimer’s disease to cancer -- all of those things now have strong causal links to a lack of sleep.'
"Sleep changes with aging, but it doesn’t just change with aging; it can also start to explain aging itself," he said.
"Every one of the major diseases that are killing us in first-world nations -- from diabetes to obesity to Alzheimer's disease to cancer -- all of those things now have strong causal links to a lack of sleep."
"And all of those diseases significantly increase in likelihood the older that we get, and especially in dementia."

Stuff I've found that helps (which I learned from articles and commenters) include the following:

* Stop reading the internet at least several hours before sleep. The potent light coming from the screen is read by your eyes as "daylight" and causes the release of hormones associated with activity. At the very least, use orange UV-light blocking shades, or put a shader on your screen.

But also, you know, just get off the internet.

Reading a book (even on kindle) seems to help. Though the latter, I guess, might cause the same light-wakes-your-brain up effect. But I don't notice that myself.

* Use a cold compress on the back of your neck or back of your head. The body reads "cold" as "night," and takes that as a signal to start releasing hormones that reduce alertness.

* Go to bed the same time every night, even if you don't feel like it.

* If you've tried to fall asleep for 45 minutes or an hour and you're getting frustrated, stop trying. Frustration won't permit you to sleep. Get up, read a book for a half hour or so, and go to bed when you start to feel tired.

* Melatonin and L-tryptophan work (particularly the latter) but I've found that after a while, your body adapts to them and they don't work as well any more.

Also sort of on sleep: If you're a mouth-breather -- and Lord, is it embarrassing to admit I am -- it's bad for your health in a bunch of ways. My Guru says so.

He suggests a way to stop mouth breathing, which I've been doing on and off for two weeks: Mouth taping.

Note: See cautions and caveats below.

I didn't want to even mention this until I checked it out, but if you tape your mouth shut with micropore tape (I assume the tiny little holes in it are there to make sure you can breathe through the tape, if necessary), you will keep your mouth shut most of the time and encourage your body to breathe through the nose.

A couple of words on this: Detraining your body to breathe the way you've breathed since you were a baby takes time. I breathe through the nose most of the time when I'm awake and thinking about it; when I forget, the mouth opens and there we go again.

I think breathing through your nose at night will only happen consistently when you're breathing through your nose during the day without thinking about it any more. That is, until your body is trained to just nose-breathe as an unthinking, automatic mode, you're going to mouth-breathe at night (and snore, and get apnea).

Note that there's enough give in the micropore tape, and tiny holes in it anyway, that you can and will mouth breathe until nose breathing becomes your unconscious habit.

That said, I haven't died from mouth-taping (which was a genuine fear), and I've only pulled the tape off my mouth while sleeping once.

This doctor explains the health consequences of mouth breathing, and it's about a lot more than apnea. Basically, mouth-breathing causes less oxygen to be transported into tissues and muscles. Mouth-breathing causes your tissues and muscles to always be in a state of oxygen-debt.

This guy gives you a basic method of taping your mouth shut.

One thing to point out: as this woman points out, mouth-breathers do so either out of habit or physical obstruction in their nose or sinuses. Actually, I think the two reinforce themselves. However, if you have clogged sinuses, you're going to have to deal with that before you tape your mouth.

In my case, it was both, but I think that the fact that I wasn't using my nose to breathe was simply allowing mucous to build up and the nasal passages to close more than they would if they were frequently being opened. But if you find you can't breathe through your nose even when you deliberately try to, you'll have to try things like squirting saline water into your nose before bed, and also using this simple and easy trick:

1. Exhale all air out of your lungs until you're on empty.

2. Squeeze your nostrils closed.

3. Wait until you feel a little uncomfortable from lack of air.

4. Now inhale, but only through your nose -- keep that mouth shut.

You'll find that your nose will indeed suck in air -- vigorously, as you're out of air in your lungs -- and in doing so it'll also suck all the mucous blocking it to the back of your throat. A little gross, but it does clear the passages out.

I can't tell you I feel better from this yet as I've only been doing it two weeks, and I suspect that to effect the actual change (where this becomes natural and automatic), and to really feel different, will take up to six months. The very first day I did it I felt great, but that could be psychosomatic or it could just be that I was particularly motivated to go to bed early that night.

On the plus side, while nose-breathing was difficult for me at first, as I've been doing it more, the nasal passages are now usually pretty clear and it's no longer difficult at all -- unless they're stuffed up, in which case I have to do a saline rinse or do the implosive-nasal-inhale method I outlined above.

So I think I have the physical-obstruction part taken care of (most of the time), and now just have to take care of the "habit" part.

Finally, sex: Sex is good for pretty much every part of your body. And adults are having less of it. And that's probably because of social media, because it's a time-killer that crowds out other time killers, and because no one can try to get anyone "in the mood" if they're in a Twitter fight or clicking through Reddit. Plus, I think most people soon learn that anyone on the internet basically has a big Don't Bother Me sign out, and they stop even trying.

Anyway, that's all I got: Tell me about your GAINZZZ. It's been so long since I've seen any myself I just want to hear-tell of their actual existence. I'm beginning to think GAINZZZ are just a Zionist Lie.

Caution/Caveat on Mouth-Taping: PrimalOrderedPair thinks this is very dangerous:

Those pores are large enough for your skin to breathe but I doubt they do much good on the mouth. I don't think I would really recommend this to anyone.

Well, I should note that I'm not a doctor and I can't really recommend anything. I can only tell you my experience, which is that I'm not dead yet.

From personal experience: You can breathe through the tape, and further, the type of tape I have (3M) isn't actually strong enough to really lock your mouth closed.

That said, again, I'm obviously not a doctor.

And I was scared shitless of this idea when I first heard it.

So, when I started, very skittish about doing this, I only partly taped my mouth shut, to make sure there was not going to be an accidental death. Only when I got comfortable with it and saw that i wasn't waking up with no air did I start doing a better job of taping.

Though, like I said, even if you tape it better, your mouth can still open up and suck in air.

I might have factors going on with my face that makes this less dangerous than it would be for someone else, though. I usually have stubble/a light beard, and that means the tape isn't fully secure. I also might sweat under the tape more than others, again, meaning there's give in the tape.

If someone managed to tape himself or herself much more securely than I can, maybe there would be a greater chance of death.

Also, should have mentioned this: I'm on CPAP so if the machine detects I'm not taking in breath it pumps additional air in, which could be a safety measure I have that non-CPAP users don't have.

Talk to your doctor about it, if you are a mouth-breather. So far, I haven't had a bad experience, but I haven't done a mass-trial, obviously.

And the fact that I haven't suffocated myself so far is no indicator that I won't do so in the future.

Alternative: Day-Taping? I considered doing this. No expert suggested this, but this may be a less-dangerous alternative.

Assuming I'm right that you will routinely nose-breathe at night once you're routinely nose-breathing during the day, maybe make a conscious effort to nose-breathe while out (at work, etc.), and, when at home, tape your mouth shut while awake. This will tend to reinforce the new habit you're teaching your body, and then maybe eventually you'll just start habitually nose-breathing, including at night.

And then you won't have to worry about the potential dangers of taping your mouth shut while you're sleeping.

Posted by: Ace at 04:40 PM

Comments

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1 No way.

Posted by: Darles Chickens at May 26, 2017 04:43 PM (Z8NdJ)

2 First on a GAINZZ thread?

Posted by: Darles Chickens at May 26, 2017 04:43 PM (Z8NdJ)

3 Three hours of yardwork for my gainzz!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2017 04:43 PM (0tfLf)

4 The blue blockers REALLY seem effective. Like, I put them on and I get instantly tired, like wanna-lie-down-and-sleep tired.

Posted by: moviegique at May 26, 2017 04:44 PM (7zeA4)

5 Just no neddy pots.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 26, 2017 04:44 PM (LTHVh)

6 I read the whole thing and got to the bottom and there were no comments.

I couldabeen a contendah, instead of a bum, which is what Iyam.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 26, 2017 04:45 PM (LTHVh)

7 I've been fluctuating in a 5-8 lb range after losing 60 on low-carb. I'd like to lose another 10-15 but my once a week to 10 day cheat nights are killing my progress.

Posted by: Darles Chickens at May 26, 2017 04:45 PM (Z8NdJ)

8 Neti Pot. The face douche.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 26, 2017 04:46 PM (LTHVh)

9 I've been off IF long enough that I'm now in the same position that anyone who never tried it is in: Saying "But it's really hard to not eat for 14 or 16 hours."

Sure is! But your body adapts to that and then it feels normal. Unfortunately, your body also adapts to being fed for 14 hours of the day, and then that feels normal, and deviation from that feels hard.

++++

You know these things are true, yet you fall prey. So, what is your weakness? What so tempts you that fall away from your "good" behavior to the bad old behavior that you know will lead you nowhere good?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 26, 2017 04:47 PM (R+30W)

10 Here's a nice little bit of GAINZ I attribute to IF: People are commenting on how good I look. I generally attribute this to "Man, I must've really let myself go before" but they're commenting that I look younger, which is not something that has ever happened in my life, back to when I used to get the dirtiest looks because (at 1

I looked 40 and my (18 y.o.) girlfriends looked 14.

Eating ages you. In my case, it seems to do so immediately and visibly.

Posted by: moviegique at May 26, 2017 04:48 PM (7zeA4)

11 >>> I'd like to lose another 10-15 but my once a week to 10 day cheat nights are killing my progress.

I found that cheat days killed all progress and in fact kept me addicted to carbs.

When I tried losing weight a couple of years ago, I did the once-a-week cheat day, and I actually gained weight, because man, Tim Ferris said I could eat ANYTHING on cheat day, and I, like the Devil, read contracts very literally.

Posted by: ace at May 26, 2017 04:48 PM (8rNrN)

12 In terms of sleep, I go to bed two ways:

1. drunk, so I wake up feeling rotten but I get sleep anyway.

2. sober, so I wake up feeling good, but I have terrifying nightmares that frequently force me to wake up. So I feel tired all day.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 26, 2017 04:49 PM (MZcWR)

13 A fast is an excellent way to kickstart a new feeding regimen

Posted by: CN at May 26, 2017 04:50 PM (2+tI4)

14 >>> So, what is your weakness? What so tempts you that fall away from your "good" behavior to the bad old behavior that you know will lead you nowhere good?

one thing is that i haven't figured out what to do on certain nights of the week when the schedule requires me to work out pretty late at night. I try not to eat an hour after working out, but that pushes dinner to quite late indeed.

I think I'll have to just go to bed hungry after working out on those days.

That'll be hard.

Posted by: ace at May 26, 2017 04:50 PM (8rNrN)

15 Last night's ONT disrupted my sleep.

That aside I'm taking an online Gymnastics Strength Training course. After two weeks on a foundational program my posture has significantly improved as has general mobility.

Not necessarily expecting to get into handstands and rings.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 26, 2017 04:52 PM (hJrjt)

16 One thing about IF: Once you're on it and used to it, it takes not much effort to stay on it. You just aren't hungry during your Fast window.

So you get used to eating when you feel like it.

But once you go off it, there's a period where you still want to "eat when you feel like it," which had previously been a useful thing to do, as you had trained yourself not to be hungry during your fasting window.

I'm only recently realizing that I can no longer take that tact, but have to go back to consciously-limiting my eating again, because I've undone the good training I'd managed.

Oh well. Should only take ten days. BUt it'll take conscious effort again.

Posted by: ace at May 26, 2017 04:53 PM (8rNrN)

17 Ace --

Eating late is bad, bad, bad. I mean, really bad. Like, cancer bad. The body wasn't designed to have a big lump of food in it at night.

Posted by: moviegique at May 26, 2017 04:53 PM (7zeA4)

18
The blue blockers REALLY seem effective. Like, I put them on and I get instantly tired, like wanna-lie-down-and-sleep tired.
Posted by: moviegique at May 26, 2017 04:44 PM

Do they turn you into a rapper?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 26, 2017 04:54 PM (IqV8l)

19 I just got back from an 11 mile run. I ran the same exact route on Tuesday. So my weekly mileagr stands at 26+ miles with 3 days of running this week. I'll do a really nice and easy 4 mile recovery tomorrow and do 5-6 on Sunday. A good base for me is 30-35 miles per week. I'll be right on target this week. Hubby signed us up for Portland Marathon in October, so I'll need to start increasing my long run (which we normally do on Saturday, but we're helping some friends move.

Nutritionally, I'm still not where I should be (have been indulging in some adult beverages after dinner, not getting all my vegies in and still need to cut out the junk food. However, with the summer coming, produce is a lot better, so I think that will be improving too.

Posted by: runningrn at May 26, 2017 04:55 PM (4lzaU)

20 thnx for the thread.
i just dropped someone off at the airport, and to reward myself i got four pretty, hot pink tops that i love.
...also stocked up on tons of veg.
IF begins now!
i'm back baby.

Posted by: concrete girl at May 26, 2017 04:55 PM (s26vG)

21 Just finished my second go around of listening to The Obesity Code.

Apparently sleep is a significant portion of the weight loss formula, as is IF.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 26, 2017 04:56 PM (hJrjt)

22 The one good thing is that I've been below 170 pounds for months and months now, so I guess my body has now maybe re-set this weight as my base weight.

Maybe that means it will now permit me to shed more weight? I dunno.

It doesn't seem to want to budge any further.

Posted by: ace at May 26, 2017 04:56 PM (8rNrN)

23 I put an alarm on my Fitbit to remind me to go to bed so I can have my 8 hours of sleep. I feel like I have a hangover if I don't sleep.

Posted by: CaliGirl at May 26, 2017 04:56 PM (Ri/rl)

24 Yeah, flexibility is a killer for addictive behavior. Sticking to a regime, if you can get yourself to that point, is something that can be more easily adhered to. But, if you have situations where you can't stick to that routine, where you must make adjustments, it opens the door for you (and me) to make excuses for, let's say, sub-optimal behavior.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 26, 2017 04:57 PM (R+30W)

25 I sleep very soundly, with lots of dreaming but rarely approach eight hours. I honestly believe six to seven hours is enough and seven hours is great.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 26, 2017 04:57 PM (hJrjt)

26 When I say I sleep soundly that is under the fact I have a 63-year-old prostate and drink a lot of water.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 26, 2017 04:59 PM (hJrjt)

27 re: winning the lottery vs getting a good night sleep

I am missing a critical part of this to be able to make the comparison.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 26, 2017 04:59 PM (JNqRY)

28 i had a Toomy's cheeseburger, w/ extra chili and cheese, with an order of fries and a Coke for lunch, so my GAINZZZ are limited to a full belly and a feeling of contentment.

w*rks for me.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 26, 2017 04:59 PM (GK0gz)

29 I think I got more than 7 hours of sleep for the entire month. Not because of insomnia, just because my schedule requires me to wake up at 4:15am on weekdays and 5:00am on weekends. And I can't seem to fall asleep before about 9:20 no matter how hard I try.

Posted by: Aunt Luna at May 26, 2017 05:01 PM (Zd2ZF)

30 *I meant to say that there was only one night that I got more than 7 hours of sleep this month, not that I got 7 hours of sleep all month.

Posted by: Aunt Luna at May 26, 2017 05:02 PM (Zd2ZF)

31 All things in moderation is the secret to a happy healthy life.

Posted by: Strobe at May 26, 2017 05:02 PM (gbWkA)

32 12 In terms of sleep, I go to bed two ways:

1. drunk, so I wake up feeling rotten but I get sleep anyway.

2. sober, so I wake up feeling good, but I have terrifying nightmares that frequently force me to wake up. So I feel tired all day.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 26, 2017 04:49 PM (MZcWR)

++++

Cannabis would probably work better for you than alcohol. A little before bed can let you sleep soundly, without the rem-killing effects of alcohol.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 26, 2017 05:02 PM (R+30W)

33 24 Yeah, flexibility is a killer for addictive behavior. Sticking to a regime, if you can get yourself to that point, is something that can be more easily adhered to. But, if you have situations where you can't stick to that routine, where you must make adjustments, it opens the door for you (and me) to make excuses for, let's say, sub-optimal behavior.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 26, 2017 04:57 PM (R+30W)

I have to stick to a plan. If I don't I'll make bad choices.

Also friends can be judgey if they think you are skipping a meal so I don't tell anyone.

Posted by: CaliGirl at May 26, 2017 05:03 PM (Ri/rl)

34 On keto, week 8. Down to 195 from 207. Starting to look better in the mirror is my GAINZZZ but I think I need to get to about 185 or 180.

Posted by: DM at May 26, 2017 05:04 PM (garNZ)

35 I recently took up aqua-zumba. Go ahead, laugh. It looks like the Plaid SansaBelt Slacks of the exercise world, but....

Five minutes into the routine I thought this was the most candy-ass exercise ever. 30 minutes in and my arms were screaming. If you really use the water as resistance it can be quite a workout.

Food-wise, I was craving pizza but guilt and inertia kept me from ordering one, so I found Paula Dean's cauliflower crust recipe and made that. It is NO substitute for a real crust; it is more like a bed of vegetables for your cheese and sauce. However, bake it at 450 until the cheese starts bubbling and browning and it is a tasty way to get your Italian fix, plus you're not bloated afterward.

Has anyone found a good low-carb crust mix? I'll take "satisfactory".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 26, 2017 05:04 PM (NT3RT)

36 One thing I can't get my wife unboard with is skipping breakfast.
Jason Fung is convinced there's nothing special about breakfast. And breakfast would be my easiest meal to skip because I'm not hungry first thing in the morning but My Queen does not agree.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 26, 2017 05:05 PM (hJrjt)

37 Cannabis would probably work better for you than alcohol. A little before bed can let you sleep soundly, without the rem-killing effects of alcohol.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 26, 2017 05:02 PM

Drinking messes with my sleep. If I have more than 2-3 drinks, I fall asleep quickly(pass out) but I wake up about 4 hours later and can't go back to sleep. It's terrible.
Then I eat carbs because I'm hang over starving.

Posted by: CaliGirl at May 26, 2017 05:06 PM (Ri/rl)

38 He suggests a way to stop mouth breathing, which I've been doing on and off for two weeks: Mouth taping.

Dude ...

but if you tape your mouth shut with micropore tape (I assume the tiny little holes in it are there to make sure you can breathe through the tape, if necessary),

Those pores are large enough for your skin to breathe but I doubt they do much good on the mouth. I don't think I would really recommend this to anyone. If you are breathing through your mouth while sleeping then there's probably a good reason for it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 26, 2017 05:07 PM (zc3Db)

39 I don't drink a lot but I've always regretted when I've used alcohol to help me get to sleep. It flat out doesn't work for me.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 26, 2017 05:08 PM (hJrjt)

40 Does this mean we're not getting a mocking post today about Granny Fallsdownalot talking about drinking "chardonnay" in a commencement speech?

Posted by: buzzion at May 26, 2017 05:08 PM (z/Ubi)

41 Hey Ace... so I tried your idea. Weighing myself everyday. So I'm stuck at 148 for days, wake up one day and I'm 146. Go figure. Anyhoo.. I will keep trying that and see.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at May 26, 2017 05:09 PM (CNHr1)

42 Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at May 26, 2017 05:09 PM (CNHr1)

Yea Jewel, progress feels good doesn't it.

Posted by: CaliGirl at May 26, 2017 05:10 PM (Ri/rl)

43 Finally, sex: Sex is good for pretty much every part of your body. And adults are having less of it. And that's probably because of social media, because it's a time-killer that crowds out other time killers, and because no one can try to get anyone "in the mood" if they're in a Twitter fight or clicking through Reddit. Plus, I think most people soon learn that anyone on the internet basically has a big Don't Bother Me sign out, and they stop even trying.

Also, because too many modern "females" are craycray fymynytwyts, rendering the dating pool as something similar to playing Russian Roulette with 4 of six chambers loaded.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 26, 2017 05:10 PM (AM1GF)

44 I find that Madria Sangria plus Unisom plus Alieve will knock me out for a solid 8.

Ace have you tried swimming? I found I got some GAINZZ because I don't swim well, and I think part of the elevated heart rate (and associated fat burn) was from changing up my routine [i found that after awhile, my muscles and probably my brain started cheating when I was doing the same thing, like running - I burned less and less energy because I learned to shuffle, not run] and part was from simply being terrified of drowning.

Posted by: the other coyote at May 26, 2017 05:10 PM (rDNHA)

45 Drinking messes with my sleep. If I have more than 2-3 drinks, I fall asleep quickly(pass out) but I wake up about 4 hours later and can't go back to sleep. It's terrible.
Then I eat carbs because I'm hang over starving.

Posted by: CaliGirl at May 26, 2017 05:06 PM (Ri/rl)

++++

That's about the same for me. Wake up after a few hours and then just toss and turn in a futile attempt to get rest. Knowing I will pay for the lack of rest when I finally get up doesn't make it any easier to fall back asleep.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 26, 2017 05:10 PM (R+30W)

46 Interestingly enough, the very first "exercise" in "Original Strength" is correct breathing--primarily by placing your tongue on the hard-palate (which means you can't breathe through your mouth).

Posted by: moviegique at May 26, 2017 05:11 PM (7zeA4)

47 Laughing because kid #3 called me today all excited about seeing and petting the Budweiser Clydesdales. All of you know I have always characterized me family as clydesdales body type. I told him about how I have always used that as a descriptor and then he started laughing. We were obviously bred to pull a plow, any heavy loads, or smite enemies with our mass. Celebrate it.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 26, 2017 05:11 PM (MIKMs)

48 When I weigh myself every day, I will see results. Then I get complacent and think "I'm losing steadily, so once a week is fine". Then I weigh myself a month later and the weight is back on.

So, back to daily weighing, I think.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 26, 2017 05:11 PM (NT3RT)

49 Alcohol flat out gives me insomnia now..

Posted by: IC at May 26, 2017 05:12 PM (a0IVu)

50 Oh good, a Gainzz! thread. I've been thinking about this. I'm down to consistently under 200, though I'm lacking the tone I aspire to.

But that's not what I've been thinking about. I've been thinking about the other element of the height/weight ratio. We don't focus enough on height.

Now, there's no correct height for 'Ettes, each is perfect in her own way. From Amazon to quite diminutive there is something in the essence of womanhood that makes all of it right.

For the guys, however, there is no such luck. First off, if you're a little tiny guy of 5'8" or under you should just leave the room as this won't be pleasant. Looking at the undersides of desks is no way to go through life, son.

You can be recognizably male at 5'10" or so, but barely. You want to be at least 6'0". If you're exactly 6'0" people may think you're one of those 5'11 1/2 wankers who's lying, so it may be better to be a half inch taller or even 6'1".

6'2" is still recognizably masculine and you automatically command authority, but when you start getting into the 6'3" and above range you're going to find yourself an odd duck. You're too tall, so you're either self-conscious about it and try to hide or you get all full of yourself with it and become a douche. Being quite tall can be done well, but it's tricky and you shouldn't try it unless you're very sure you can handle it.

So, basically, you should aim to have perfect Vitruvian Man proportions at exactly 6' 1/2" or as close as you can manage.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 26, 2017 05:12 PM (gIRsn)

51 Posted by: mustbequantum at May 26, 2017 05:11 PM (MIKMs)
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Percherons and Clydesdales are the bestest horsies.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 26, 2017 05:12 PM (NT3RT)

52 It does Caligirl. I want to get back to 135. I felt great at 135. I mean I am 5'9 so I can carry 148, 146 and still look thin, but I can feel the difference.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at May 26, 2017 05:12 PM (CNHr1)

53 Bander, of course, falls within the Goldilocks Zone.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 26, 2017 05:13 PM (NT3RT)

54 Agreed that eating right before bed is horrible, at least for some people.

But a small nibble of cheese can be helpful.

Posted by: Max Power at May 26, 2017 05:13 PM (q177U)

55 >>>Those pores are large enough for your skin to breathe but I doubt they do much good on the mouth. I don't think I would really recommend this to anyone.

among the videos I linked are doctors recommending it.

From personal experience: You can breathe through the tape, and further, the type of tape I have (3M) isn't actually strong enough to really lock your mouth closed.

That said, I'm obviously not a doctor.

Also, when I started, I was very hesitant to do this, and I only partly taped my mouth shut, to make sure there was not going to be an accidental death. Only when I got comfortable with it and saw that i wasn't waking up with no air did I start doing a better job of taping.

Though, like I said, even if you tape it better, your mouth can still open up and suck in air.

Posted by: ace at May 26, 2017 05:15 PM (8rNrN)

56 So, basically, you should aim to have perfect Vitruvian Man proportions at exactly 6 1/2" or as close as you can manage.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 26, 2017 05:12 PM

But the water was cold!

Posted by: George Costanza at May 26, 2017 05:15 PM (DMUuz)

57 Also, because too many modern "females" are craycray fymynytwyts, rendering the dating pool as something similar to playing Russian Roulette with 4 of six chambers loaded.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 26, 2017 05:10 PM (AM1GF)
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Nothing a pair of crack-fueled Thai hookers can't solve!

Posted by: Weasel at May 26, 2017 05:16 PM (Sfs6o)

58 52 It does Caligirl. I want to get back to 135. I felt great at 135. I mean I am 5'9 so I can carry 148, 146 and still look thin, but I can feel the difference.
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at May 26, 2017 05:12 PM (CNHr1)

I hear you. You're 2 inches taller than me. 135 is a good goal. 145 is fine for your height too though.

You are on your way. I think it's harder to lose 10 pounds. It comes off slowly.

Posted by: CaliGirl at May 26, 2017 05:16 PM (Ri/rl)

59 Bander, of course, falls within the Goldilocks Zone.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 26, 2017 05:13 PM (NT3RT)

So weird how he just happens to fall into that zone, isn't it?

Posted by: alexthechick -where's my balloon Horde at May 26, 2017 05:17 PM (dEQP3)

60 How about I tape her mouth shut, have copious amounts of sex and then fall asleep from exhaustion.

That. Always works for me.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 26, 2017 05:17 PM (sQgZv)

61 So weird how he just happens to fall into that zone, isn't it?
Posted by: alexthechick -where's my balloon Horde at May 26, 2017 05:17 PM (dEQP3)
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Hi Goldilocks!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 26, 2017 05:17 PM (NT3RT)

62 I've found the least painful way to do the 16/8 fast is to eat between 10AM and 6PM

work takes my mind off being hungry for a few hours in the morning

Posted by: Joel at May 26, 2017 05:20 PM (JcRMF)

63 60 How about I tape her mouth shut, have copious amounts of sex and then fall asleep from exhaustion.

That. Always works for me.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 26, 2017 05:17 PM (sQgZv)
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See #57

Posted by: Weasel at May 26, 2017 05:20 PM (Sfs6o)

64 *waves to Eris*

Posted by: alexthechick -where's my balloon Horde at May 26, 2017 05:20 PM (dEQP3)

65 Posted by: alexthechick -where's my balloon Horde at May 26, 2017 05:17 PM

Your balloon is supposed to be tied to your wrist!

Posted by: The Horde's SAR posse at May 26, 2017 05:20 PM (DMUuz)

66 I break all the rules. I don't have any off day, I've never needed a lot of sleep and at zero dark thirty I am out on the road running and training. I eat healthy and don't indulge in much junk. I am also not a big alcohol drinker, but will indulge ever so often. The one thing I consciously avoid is sugar.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 26, 2017 05:21 PM (sQgZv)

67 I'm a mouth breather too. Started using CPAP at age 40 (BMI is 29 but I have a skinny nose and jaw sits back) and can't sleep without it.

Posted by: JT in KC at May 26, 2017 05:22 PM (FoSz+)

68 oh: I added a caveat to the post. I should note I use a CPAP machine, so it's possible that while this could be dangerous for a non-CPAP user, the machine maybe pushes up air pressure and keeps anything bad from happening to me.

I admit this sounds dangerous as hell. I can only tell you that so far, I haven't suffered a calamity that would make me think it was dangerous.

But obviously, deliberately obstructing your main airway while you're sleeping sounds like it very well could be dangerous.

Posted by: ace at May 26, 2017 05:22 PM (8rNrN)

69 Your balloon is supposed to be tied to your wrist!
Posted by: The Horde's SAR posse at May 26, 2017 05:20 PM (DMUuz)

Well, no one showed up with the balloon reprovisioning and now here we are.

*lurks in grass*

Posted by: alexthechick -where's my balloon Horde at May 26, 2017 05:22 PM (dEQP3)

70 Happened upon an article about "The Great Gama"...maybe at art of mankiness or something. Indian wrestler who never lost, was almost mythically strong and bruce lee even patterned some of his exercise after. He was said to do thousands of pushups and boby weight squats daily.

I low starting strengh (rippetoe) but have trouble being consistent going to the gym so I have started my own gama project. I started with 100 pushups, 50 pullups and 50 body weight squats...that is the whole workout and i dont necessarily do them the same time or day. Next workout happens when Im not sore anymore. Every workout I increase pushups by 10 reps and 5 reps on the others. Im on 220, 75 and 75. One month in and seeing a lot of positive physical changes and it's kinda a fun game. I want to get to 500 pushups.

Also zero sugar diet is an awesome book...doing that diet and energy is way up.

Posted by: Mr. O at May 26, 2017 05:22 PM (ADReB)

71 *waves back at Alex, notices loose arms muscles*

Gotta work on muh gunz tonite!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 26, 2017 05:23 PM (NT3RT)

72 I had very much stalled on MUH LIFTS - gone backwards, actually, on deadlifts. Got back on track partially thanks to one of the guys I work out with. We used to have similar lifts (though he's like 180 and I'm 225 or so, so he was always the better athlete), but he's blown me away over the past 6 months, so I've been motivated to at least keep up with him.

Posted by: broseidon on even newer magic glowy rectangle at May 26, 2017 05:23 PM (wkJZ0)

73 Actually, looks like BMI is 26.6, goal of getting under 25 is at least on horizon.

Posted by: JT in KC at May 26, 2017 05:23 PM (FoSz+)

74 And for those of us who are Italian, we never completely avoid carbs. That's apostasy.

You have to balance the carbs with exercise and other food intakes.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 26, 2017 05:24 PM (sQgZv)

75 I'm 6' 2".

Never notice I'm tall unless I leave the house, though.

Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2017 05:24 PM (cwFUa)

76 Percherons and Clydesdales are the bestest horsies. Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 26, 2017 05:12 PM (NT3RT)
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Even with all their mass, they are known as 'easy keepers' because they are not big eaters, nor are they sensitive eaters. So, like with kids, mine were easy.

I worried a lot about him because he had a 'personal trainer' telling him what to eat. He never lost a pound, although the trainer told he and his girlfriend that she stopped the weight gain and talked about 'meat sweat' which just put my worry into almost panic. They seem to be over it now.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 26, 2017 05:24 PM (MIKMs)

77 Thankfully I breath through my nose when sleeping unless I'm sick.

There's no way in hell I could tape my mouth closed. It's giving me anxiety just thinking about it. I'm really claustrophobic.

Posted by: CaliGirl at May 26, 2017 05:24 PM (Ri/rl)

78 >>>but he's blown me away over the past 6 months, so I've been motivated to at least keep up with him.

I think I know your friend.

Posted by: Your Friendly Neighborhood Gym Steroid Seller at May 26, 2017 05:25 PM (8rNrN)

79 C'mon, all deplorables are mouth-breathers, by definition. Everyone knows that!

Posted by: Hillary! at May 26, 2017 05:25 PM (DMUuz)

80 So, basically, you should aim to have perfect Vitruvian Man proportions at exactly 6' 1/2" or as close as you can manage.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 26, 2017 05:12 PM (gIRsn)

At what age?

I was 6 ft 1/2 inch.... now I'm a bit under 6 ft.... its the age thing...

So, you can leave my lawn at any time...

Posted by: Don Q. at May 26, 2017 05:25 PM (NgKpN)

81 Mouth taping > drilling headphone jack into IPhone with drill.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at May 26, 2017 05:26 PM (2qHjF)

82 Ace, thanks for putting GAINZ threads up again. Haven't seen them in a while. Reading about your experience, and that of the commenters inspired me to get that IF book and change my eating habits.

We've been doing it in earnest since Feb 1. We fast five days a week for at least 16 hours. Most days we make 17 or 18. Ok, sometimes I'm still consuming Sunday night, but I do go at least 12 hours without food then. My wife is better about that.

Beyond getting started, the hardest part for us is dinner. Our evenings are busy, so to ensure we don't eat past 8, we often have to finish before 6. We're good about that, though I'm often not hungry because lunch was just a few hours ago. My wife doesn't even like breakfast foods, giving that up was pretty easy for her. Morning tea and OJ was harder.

We aren't doing HFLC. Did that with Adkins, and while I dropped weight, eating became a chore. Plus, no fruit? The big downside for us is that falling out of ketosis was too easy, maintaining it too difficult.

We're exercising some too. Several nights a week we go on a mile walk. I take a weighted backpack. I've gotten up to 65lbs in it. I was doing some bodyweight/backpack exercises for a while, but lapsed a few weeks ago.

As for the LOZZES, I just had a physical. I've lost 16lbs since 12/1, and I don't think I lost anything in December. I'm now below 200lbs. At 6', that's still too much, but I look a lot better. The weight is regularly, but slowly dropping. More importantly, my clothes fit much better. Shorts I've been wearing for years are loose enough to pull off while buttoned. My wife stresses about the scale a bit, but all of her clothing is fitting her much better. We do a weight and tape measure check monthly.

The walking has help a ton. We did a seven mile hike a few weeks ago (actual hiking, not on pavement). We moved slowly because it was beautiful out. There was no major elevation change on the hike, but we were at 6500ft. My wife was able to complete it without difficulty. A year ago, she'd have had trouble making the first mile.

I want to thank you for the GAINZ threads. They've really helped us. We have an eating habit we can live with indefinitely, and we're continuing to see progress. Unlike calorie restriction diets, we aren't hungry or tired. Weekends aren't cheat days, they're just days where we don't worry about what time it is.

Please keep posting them weekly. They're a good end to the work week. Occasionally I learn something from the BROSCIENCE commenters too.

Posted by: mac at May 26, 2017 05:26 PM (paQXU)

83 so is there a breathalyzer function on the cpap or mouth tape that prevents you from applying it when you are drunk so you cannot pass out with the device attached then choke on your vomit?

Posted by: YankeeFifth at May 26, 2017 05:26 PM (cPsPa)

84 #3 above.
Work done.
Sipping 12 year Glenmorangie, smoking a Fuentes short story and watching an eagle soar lazily over my back yard.
This is a good day. A Hordeling Day.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2017 05:26 PM (0tfLf)

85 I've never felt too short or too tall at 5'11". Though I am indeed one of those wankers Bander talks about - I tell women I'm 6 ft because it's part of the essence of masculinity to add an inch in all applicable situations.

Posted by: broseidon on even newer magic glowy rectangle at May 26, 2017 05:27 PM (wkJZ0)

86 your advice about going to bed even if you do not feel like it /want to is really good advice, even though hard to follow if you are something of an insomniac.

Posted by: YankeeFifth at May 26, 2017 05:27 PM (cPsPa)

87 And for those of us who are Italian, we never completely avoid carbs. That's apostasy.
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There are occasions where I must have my pappardelle with bolognese sauce or I will cut a bitch.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 26, 2017 05:28 PM (NT3RT)

88 your advice about avoiding the screens before bed while also good advice will be the end of the overnight here.

Posted by: YankeeFifth at May 26, 2017 05:28 PM (cPsPa)

89 OT: Beltway snipers sentence overturned.

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/257218742-story

Posted by: shibumi at May 26, 2017 05:28 PM (aT+Bx)

90 6 1/2 is ideal? Not to me it isn't!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at May 26, 2017 05:29 PM (wkJZ0)

91 >>>your advice about going to bed even if you do not feel like it /want to is really good advice, even though hard to follow if you are something of an insomniac.

It is. I try to tell myself "Anything I'm doing now I can do tomorrow morning."

Which is more true in my case than for most other people, but still, it's true. If you're watching a tv show or reading the internet, it's not like it won't be there tomorrow after work.

Posted by: ace at May 26, 2017 05:29 PM (8rNrN)

92
I went into late autumn/winter with a six pack. Lost it completely by late winter. After taking a critical look in the mirror (and gagging) about 4-6 weeks ago I began my 'backpack' regime. At least 20 minutes a day of ~50# weight in a backpack walking around, doing shit, anything, bending over, picking junk up off the ground to work the back muscles, mainly outside. It hurts like hell for 20 minutes. Then not at all.

I sleep well, wake up in the morning and have lost at least lost a fat filled quarter pounder with cheese and bacon from my waist line overnight. I did sneak a peak at a scale a week of so ago and NO LOSS - but f_ck the scale. My legs are completely fat free and muscular as hell, my chest hasn't lost an inch, and waistline is shrinking dramatically. Two pack, anyway, with a tease of two more any day, with a hint of the final two bastids a week after that. Goal is 11" difference between chest and waist. Four more inches to go.

I figure I'm beating the ever-living-shit out of two huge muscle groups at the same time - glutus max and back. All in 20 minutes a day. Calorie burn per hour in the 800 to 1,200 range. Brutal stuff. Your body adapts, because it doesn't have a f_ing choice.

Because I spent my life in business I remember a bunch of key stuff, first was 'the best strategies are those that hit as many of your goals at the same time as possible'. Seems to be working.

You might want to ease into this regime, if so inclined. It was not without initial painful setbacks. Which is why G-d created NSAID's.

As far as eating? Screw you guys with your latest theories. I eat whatever the hell I want, whenever the hell I want it, and drink like a fish if I want to. Three meals a day, maybe four. Don't try this at home - unless you want results.

Posted by: Potest Solum Unum at May 26, 2017 05:29 PM (HTdUD)

93 I've had a Mental GAINZZZ. I've come to the conclusion that the refined sugar madness is the Original Sin of Europeans in the New World. It's the meth of Royality and The Aristocracy. It's the original degeneracy of The New World.

We must turn away from this before it's too late.

Literally giving kids and women meth for 100's of years.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at May 26, 2017 05:29 PM (2qHjF)

94 Posted by: mac at May 26, 2017 05:26 PM (paQXU)

Congrats!

Posted by: CaliGirl at May 26, 2017 05:31 PM (Ri/rl)

95 Pepe's Rule: if you ain't dreaming then you ain't sleeping. Learn to dream and embrace dreaming. You will sleep better and easier at night.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at May 26, 2017 05:32 PM (2qHjF)

96 It is. I try to tell myself "Anything I'm doing now I can do tomorrow morning."

Which is more true in my case than for most other people, but still, it's true. If you're watching a tv show or reading the internet, it's not like it won't be there tomorrow after work.

Posted by: ace at May 26

my guess is you are something of a night owl which makes it even harder.

Posted by: YankeeFifth at May 26, 2017 05:32 PM (cPsPa)

97 Well, no one showed up with the balloon reprovisioning and now here we are.

*lurks in grass*
Posted by: alexthechick -where's my balloon Horde at May 26, 2017 05:22 PM

** <shoves emergency wide-mouth balloons and tank of helium through the USB port> **

Could you take some markers and draw some designs on the balloon once you've blown it up? That would be great ... they're kind of clear, and that would help us get a visual on your location when needed.

Posted by: The Horde's SAR posse at May 26, 2017 05:32 PM (DMUuz)

98 I have found that if you are going to do the 18 hour fast thing a brisk workout early makes a huge difference.

Walking as fast as I can as far as I can before my morning shower makes me much less grouchy for those 5 to 6 hours till I have my smoothie brunch.

Three days a week I toss in some free weights. I am down 95 pounds since June of last year so I will be needing a new Nic soon

Posted by: Big V at May 26, 2017 05:34 PM (NX0K0)

99 I'll never go back to eating more than 4-6 hours a day. Only on pizza and gelato cheat days once a month or two.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at May 26, 2017 05:35 PM (2qHjF)

100 I added another update suggesting taping your mouth shut when you're awake and at home -- watching TV or whatever.

Posted by: ace at May 26, 2017 05:36 PM (8rNrN)

101 Congratulations Bigly V!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 26, 2017 05:36 PM (NT3RT)

102 So our wonderful medical scientists came up with a tape you can use to bandage slow-healing injuries without causing irritation to the skin. Micropore tape allows the skin to breathe so it doesn't get all irritated and inflamed.

And then the mouth-breathers appropriated for their weird rituals. They even claim the little pores in the tape are there so they can still breathe through their taped up mouths!

Sad.

Posted by: Offended and Annoyed at May 26, 2017 05:37 PM (R+30W)

103 I added another update suggesting taping your mouth shut when you're awake and at home -- watching TV or whatever.

Posted by: ace at May 26, 2017 05:36 PM (8rNrN)
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What do people think as they peer into your living room and there you are, taped up like Bane, watching Ancient Aliens?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 26, 2017 05:37 PM (NT3RT)

104 Has anyone tried or heard of full body vibration machines or plates? It's evidently a thing and I'm considering it

Also for Keto recipes I suggest a YouTube channel called headbangers kitchen. Lots of good ideas

Posted by: Blutarski-0.0 at May 26, 2017 05:38 PM (Xluzf)

105 I believe this is the biggest possible key regarding health, and is as close to the Universal Rule Book that so many are searching for in vain:

Know your body, know yourself.

Meaning, you ultimately will know what's best for you and what to do, and that you should of course maintain that, whatever it is.

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at May 26, 2017 05:38 PM (/HEUe)

106 I have to consume a 60 gram protein shake. Then 1.5 pounds of beef with a half block of cheese. Then snack on a few eggs with string cheese. Just to maintain 185lbs. I may have to consume more because I lost 2 lbs in 2 days.

I'm back in a cutting phase anyway.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at May 26, 2017 05:39 PM (2qHjF)

107 This is getting weird fast.

Posted by: Christian Grey at May 26, 2017 05:40 PM (2qHjF)

108
Could you take some markers and draw some designs on the balloon once you've blown it up? That would be great ... they're kind of clear, and that would help us get a visual on your location when needed.
Posted by: The Horde's SAR posse at May 26, 2017 05:32 PM (DMUuz)

*attempts to draw a velociraptor*

Hmmmm.

It's surreal. *nods a lot*

Posted by: alexthechick -where's my balloon Horde at May 26, 2017 05:41 PM (dEQP3)

109 >>my guess is you are something of a night owl which makes it even harder.

Ace is super sensitive to Moon Phases.

Posted by: garrett at May 26, 2017 05:42 PM (cwFUa)

110 What do people think as they peer into your living room and there you are, taped up like Bane, watching Ancient Aliens?
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Yeah, that's why you keep the blinds shut.

Posted by: shibumi at May 26, 2017 05:43 PM (aT+Bx)

111 Also I'm wrapping up the new Netflix film with Brad Pitt called war machine. Surprisingly they've taken a number of shots at Fredo Dogeater

Posted by: Blutarski-0.0 at May 26, 2017 05:43 PM (Xluzf)

112 Has anyone tried or heard of full body vibration machines or plates? It's evidently a thing and I'm considering it

Posted by: Blutarski-0.0 at May

you mean the ones in the motel room attached to the bed? they are ok but you would have to keep a lot of quarters around.

Posted by: YankeeFifth at May 26, 2017 05:43 PM (cPsPa)

113

* Stop reading the internet at least several hours before sleep. The
potent light coming from the screen is read by your eyes as "daylight"
and causes the release of hormones associated with activity. At the very
least, use orange UV-light blocking shades, or put a shader on your
screen.

But also, you know, just get off the internet.

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Well, then, there goes the ONT.

But seriously folks, the real problem is having to get up early. So, the real culprit is that job you go to every morning.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 26, 2017 05:43 PM (tHwdc)

114 I have nothing to add but if you don't consume large amounts of animal fats and animal proteins then you will get injured lifting weights.

And if you are a man, stay away from xenoestrogens. Do a wiki search and learn them.

And stay away from sugar. It's cancer.

Night. Thanks for the GAINZZZ treads. Literally saved my life.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at May 26, 2017 05:43 PM (2qHjF)

115 I've been on a juice only fast for the past 10 days. Lost 21 lbs.

If you are stuck at a weight, or if you wish to start a new healthy eating plan (with the intention of making a lifestyle change in how you eat), I recommend a fast. You'll feel horrible the first three days, but on day 4-5 you'll feel great. You can go different lengths. I did one once for 60+ days, but fell back into old habits and put the weight back on. This time I'm planing to go 70+. But again, you do it for as few as three days, and 10-14 is totally normal.

Good luck.

Posted by: Headhunt23 at May 26, 2017 05:44 PM (YS/xa)

116 Also friends can be judgey if they think you are skipping a meal so I don't tell anyone.

Posted by: CaliGirl at May 26, 2017 05:03 PM (Ri/rl)

Or, you can slap them and they'll stop verbally judging you, anyway ;-)

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 26, 2017 05:45 PM (tHwdc)

117 Is that like one of those shakers grandma used to have? You stand on the platform and put the strap around your backside and turn it on. It shakes the 'fat' off.

Posted by: Infidel at May 26, 2017 05:46 PM (ie8tB)

118 i'm just getting bicept implants and calling it good.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 26, 2017 05:46 PM (KP5rU)

119 No real GAINZZZ to speak of but I did go to Germany last week, drink a bunch of hefeweizen, and managed to lose a pound due to having to walk almost everywhere.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 26, 2017 05:46 PM (YEelc)

120 Anybody else creeped out by those Rexulti commercials?

The people with the 'happy face' masks and dinking piano music?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 26, 2017 05:46 PM (8iiMU)

121 Like this-

http://preview.tinyurl.com/y9npcu8k

Posted by: Infidel at May 26, 2017 05:47 PM (ie8tB)

122 No it's a platform that vibrates and you can do some cardio and stretching and maybe light weights. Some YouTube videos have garnered my interest

Posted by: Blutarski-0.0 at May 26, 2017 05:47 PM (Xluzf)

123 First time here today. Looks like Soros's direct deposit hit the banks.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 26, 2017 05:48 PM (gU+Ex)

124 Is that like one of those shakers grandma used to
have? You stand on the platform and put the strap around your backside
and turn it on. It shakes the 'fat' off.

Posted by: Infidel at May 26, 2017 05:46 PM (ie8tB)

Mom got one of those after giving birth to the twins. What a riot! It was next to the washing machine in the basement.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 26, 2017 05:48 PM (tHwdc)

125 >>>What do people think as they peer into your living room and there you are, taped up like Bane, watching Ancient Aliens?

It's not a good look, but neither is my normal look of Slack Jawed Yokel.

Posted by: ace at May 26, 2017 05:48 PM (8rNrN)

126 Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 26, 2017 04:47 PM (R+30W)

Have not read the entire comments, so this might have been said. Re. getting back on IF. For me, the easiest is to have a relatively late , but light dinner. And then do a 14-16 fast. Unless, maybe, you are crazy for breakfast. I am not.

Posted by: gracepc at May 26, 2017 05:49 PM (OU4q6)

127 >>>it's a platform that vibrates and you can do some cardio and stretching and maybe light weights.

Training for Parkinson's?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at May 26, 2017 05:49 PM (/K7cs)

128 I am convinced IF is the real deal. I've been religiously low carb-ing and IF-ing for about 10 weeks to be in better shape for an upcoming active trip. Have lost about 15 pounds with minimal effort. But most of this past week I was in a situation where cold cut sandwiches were about my only option. I was able to keep to the IF schedule and I didn't go crazy with the bread but still probably ate twice the carbs I wanted to or am used to. I was scared to get on the scales this morning but I hadn't gained back even an ounce of weight. So happy!

Posted by: corn and beans at May 26, 2017 05:50 PM (tkNkP)

129 Unless, maybe, you are crazy for breakfast.

What if you're just crazy?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 26, 2017 05:50 PM (YEelc)

130 I'd hit a wall at 130 lbs, starting at near 150 when the gainz threads started last year. I'm 5'5", so 130 is an acceptable (normal BMI range) number, and a large improvement for me, the lightest I've been since college. But I still have noticeable moobs and a bit of a spare tire.

I'd like to get lower (or less fat with more muscle), but I'd need more radical changes in my diet. I'm not doing anything special (no IF/ketosis stuff) except cutting easy sources of sugar, especially in drinks. But I've been pushing myself more on my daily exercise (cycling), for the same duration though, and I've broken through to 128 this week. I will probably have to fight for every half pound at this point, since I don't want to sacrifice taste in my food. But I have to say, I feel so much better in my energy and body image over this time last year.

Posted by: redsweater at May 26, 2017 05:50 PM (zFzio)

131 Still on IF.
In fact, due to work, I had to go in to the office at Oh Dark Thirty. So I decided to eat breakfast and drink some caffeine. But it threw off my IF schedule.

So I did a 24 hour fast to 'catch up' again. And it was shockingly possible! Very happy.

I also started Apple Cider Vinegar before bed. And...discovered it makes me pee. A lot. Like every hour.

So my GAINZ were mostly in urinary volume.

Still counting it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 26, 2017 05:51 PM (xJa6I)

132
Do You Even Lift, Bro?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 26, 2017 05:51 PM (J0tQ5)

133 There's a thing called a BOSU ball which is a half-sphere of partially inflated plastic. It's unstable to stand upon. It therefore forces a lot of small muscles to work to stabilize you on it.

I don't use it much but Instapundit recommended it as very helpful.

Posted by: ace at May 26, 2017 05:51 PM (8rNrN)

134 Eat this don't eat that,
Can't you read the SIGNS.
Signs, signs, everywhere the signs --

Just can't get into the one-size-fits-all dietary nonsense.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 26, 2017 05:51 PM (MIKMs)

135 Posted by: ace at May 26, 2017 04:50 PM (8rNrN)

Have a light but nourishing soup. Like oriental chicken -- chicken, ginger, some wilted greens.

Posted by: gracepc at May 26, 2017 05:51 PM (OU4q6)

136 Oh also, I never have had good sinus flow. Some nights I can sleep with mouth shut, some nights I can't. I rarely have both nasal passages unblocked. Dunno why.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 26, 2017 05:52 PM (xJa6I)

137 I'll be joining a gym and getting back into jiu jitsu again now that my shoulder has, for the most part, healed up.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Luchini aka This Is It What at May 26, 2017 05:52 PM (IYHxL)

138 The taped mouth thing does sound sketchy as hell too.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Luchini aka This Is It What at May 26, 2017 05:53 PM (IYHxL)

139 @75 - 6'2" isn't tall. Get over yourself.

@106 - Fuck you and your metabolism is

Posted by: Headhunt23 at May 26, 2017 05:55 PM (YS/xa)

140 kinky.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at May 26, 2017 05:55 PM (iLxm1)

141
As to the whole 'six pack' thing -- I'm reminded of something a famous sculptor once said centuries ago, 'It was there the whole time, I just cut it away'.

So it is with ab muscles. They're there. You just have to cut the fat away to see them. Doing 1,000 sit ups a day won't make them appear if they're covered in fat.

Once you get into the highest calorie burning exercises, the fat disappears. Despite what you eat. The body goes into - Get rid of this meal! Pizza? That prick! Fuck, send that shit packing! Cut the fat here! Crank up the temperature!

So yeah. You might just wake up in a pool of sweat. That's how the system works -- when it works how it's supposed to work.

Posted by: Potest Solum Unum at May 26, 2017 05:56 PM (HTdUD)

142 I haven't lost any pounds but I started working out and repping with some girly free weights. My arms are really toning up to punching Ben Jacobs strength. Not a moment too soon, either, since it's officially Sleeveless Sheath Season.

I really need to get back on IF. I wonder I'd lose the weight as quickly as I did the first time.

Posted by: Gem at May 26, 2017 05:56 PM (uaHyk)

143 >>>Oh also, I never have had good sinus flow. Some nights I can sleep with mouth shut, some nights I can't. I rarely have both nasal passages unblocked. Dunno why.

I bought a cervical-support pillow at Amazon that seems to park my head in a position where my sinuses drain properly.

I bought this one:

Neck Pillow - Experience Cervical Support Best Spondylosis Alignment Spine Traction - Standard Firmness

I've generally had bad experiences with pillows on Amazon (hard to know what you're getting unless you see them) but this one works for me.

It keeps your head tilted back and your neck curved with the S-curve it's supposed to have, and for me, it positions my head in such a way that sinuses drain to the throat like they're supposed to (I guess -- haven't been doing this that long).

Posted by: ace at May 26, 2017 05:56 PM (8rNrN)

144 I rarely have both nasal passages unblocked. Dunno why.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 26, 2017 05:52 PM (xJa6I)

Not enough horseradish.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 26, 2017 05:57 PM (zc3Db)

145 @ThePrimordialOrderedPair

Snort.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 26, 2017 05:58 PM (xJa6I)

146 Before I got my cpap 10 years i was a total mouth breather. The full mouth mask made my jaw hurt so I forced myself to use the nasal mask. I tried the jaw strap to try to force my mouth closed while sleeping with mixed results. What finally worked for me was putting a pillow under my chin with my arms wrapped around it and holding it there while I went to sleep. Only took a few weeks to retrain myself and no more mouth breathing.

Posted by: Fletch at May 26, 2017 05:58 PM (orDky)

147
@75 - 6'2" isn't tall. Get over yourself.

@106 - Fuck you and your metabolism is

Posted by: Headhunt23

I can play this game too.

FUCK YOU LOSER!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 26, 2017 05:59 PM (J0tQ5)

148 And thanks, @Ace. I'll pick one up from Amazon. Can't hurt to try.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 26, 2017 05:59 PM (xJa6I)

149 But obviously, deliberately obstructing your main airway while you're sleeping sounds like it very well could be dangerous.
Posted by: ace at May 26, 2017 05:22

Have you ever tried those Breathe Rite things for on your nose? I've used them in the past, seemed to work.

Posted by: Farmer at May 26, 2017 05:59 PM (o/90i)

150 I'm doing a program that just without it I can't quite commit to doing anything. Last night I did shitload of running and a whole lot of squats and right now I am kind of still working on trying to be able to stand up

Posted by: JEM at May 26, 2017 05:59 PM (xSrEK)

151
Buy MY FUCKING PILLOW!

Posted by: Mike Lindell at May 26, 2017 06:00 PM (J0tQ5)

152 Ace is definitely spot-on with regard to intermittent fasting being a critical component.

Since my gallbladder was removed, I had big problems trying to do the high fat/low carb stuff. However, it only took a short time to get used to fasting 16 hours so now I do that with a very moderate HF/LC diet and it definitely is the IF that works for me. If I slack off on the IF for a week or so, the pounds start coming back pretty quickly.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 26, 2017 06:00 PM (HiDrR)

153 Ace, some people like to elevate the bed - like put the head part on risers. They claim to sleep much better that way.

Posted by: votermom pimping great books at May 26, 2017 06:00 PM (hMwEB)

154 Also for Keto recipes I suggest a YouTube channel called headbangers kitchen. Lots of good ideas
Posted by: Blutarski-0.0 at May 26, 2017 05:38 PM (Xluzf)

Thank you so much, been looking for something like this.

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at May 26, 2017 06:00 PM (+tRIN)

155 Also, as aging causes reduced sleep quality, reduced sleep quality may also cause the ill effects of aging.

And it's no coincidence, the researchers say, that this is also about the time we start to show signs of aging.

It's also no coincidence that biomedical researchers can't think their way out of a paper bag.

Did it ever occur to them that as people age, they become a lot less active, and hence don't sleep as well because they're not all that tired?

So rather than reduced sleep quality causing aging, doesn't it make at least as much sense that aging causes reduced sleep quality?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2017 06:01 PM (SRKgf)

156 Posted by: the other coyote at May 26, 2017 05:10 PM (rDNHA)

Change is good. You use different muscles. Your breathing changes. Lots of good stuff.

I am a distance swimmer so that's no problem for me. To make it challenging, I have to do a pool workout with sprints . I hate to sprint.

I can swim miles. But I am out of breath and think I am dying at about a 1/4 mile if I am "running". And I use that term loosely.

Posted by: gracepc at May 26, 2017 06:02 PM (OU4q6)

157 @147. Let me guess you're short with a great metabolism?

Posted by: Headhunt23 at May 26, 2017 06:04 PM (YS/xa)

158
After 2 years getting back to Free Weights and never touching a machine, my Power is finally back.

I lost so much strength using machines. In my 20's, 315lbs on the bench was light to me. Today, I'm happy to be pushing 250lbs x10 easy.

Posted by: Mike Lindell at May 26, 2017 06:04 PM (J0tQ5)

159 ==officially Sleeveless Sheath Season. ==
Haven't you heard? Sleeveless with toned arms is so passe. Now its strappy gauze that falls off your shoulders.

Posted by: Michelle Obama at May 26, 2017 06:04 PM (tkNkP)

160 I'm wrapping up my second month of "zero carb" meaning zero plant carbs, all animal sourced food.
Except for coffee which I still drink.

The group I'm reading about it doesn't believe in fasting. They say eat meat until full, and drink water when thirsty. Eventually you will not be hungry for longer and longer. The ones who've been doing this for years usually just eat once a day.
I'm not that confident yet so I still IF by skipping breakfast.

Posted by: votermom pimping great books at May 26, 2017 06:05 PM (hMwEB)

161 BTW, nood, beltway snipers

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at May 26, 2017 06:05 PM (+tRIN)

162 156, I can swim miles. But I am out of breath and think I
am dying at about a 1/4 mile if I am "running". And I use that term
loosely.

Posted by: gracepc at May 26, 2017 06:02 PM (OU4q6)
Precisely why I try to 'run' - it is so hard for me. Too much boobs and ass but I do it because I am no inefficient at it, I burn a lot of calories and there is this perverse sense of accomplishment.

Posted by: IC at May 26, 2017 06:05 PM (a0IVu)

163 How do those nostril tape strips work on breathing problems. Athletes use them not to overcome "issues" but just to get more air flowing in, but do they work for people who have problems with trouble breathing through their nose?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 26, 2017 06:07 PM (R+30W)

164
Okay, so Fake News keeps playing hillary screech at the feminazi grads telling them that Nixon was impeached for the same thing Trump did. The grads cheer!

No one on Fake News is correcting her Lie by mentioning that Bill Clinton, not Nixon, was impeached for obstruction of justice.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 26, 2017 06:07 PM (J0tQ5)

165 I was 6 ft 1/2 inch.... now I'm a bit under 6 ft.... its the age thing...
So, you can leave my lawn at any time...
Posted by: Don Q. at May 26, 2017 05:25

At my tallest I was 5'11 3/4", never did make it to 6'. I know I've lost some height by now at 61.

Usually weigh 170-175, but must have lost some weight lately as I keep having to hitch up my pants. Think I'll have to start wearing a belt all the time.

I think it's just genetics. I'm built like my Dad who is like his maternal grandfather.

Posted by: Farmer at May 26, 2017 06:08 PM (o/90i)

166 @Anon Y. Mous

They work ok, but the adhesive is mildly irritating, so I can't use them personally every night.

The Breatherite name brand does work better than the knock offs.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 26, 2017 06:08 PM (xJa6I)

167 The taped mouth thing does sound sketchy as hell too.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Luchini aka This Is It What at May 26, 2017 05:53 PM (IYHxL)

Or you can get into a bar fight and have your jaw wired.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 26, 2017 06:08 PM (tHwdc)

168 Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 26, 2017 06:08 PM (tHwdc)

I don't plan on that course of action.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Luchini aka This Is It What at May 26, 2017 06:09 PM (IYHxL)

169 >>>How do those nostril tape strips work on breathing problems. Athletes use them not to overcome "issues" but just to get more air flowing in, but do they work for people who have problems with trouble breathing through their nose?

I use them now too. I think they work, at least in combination with sinus-clearing rinses. I have a small nose and I think I actually need a smaller size to make it really work.

I've found the nasal "pins," little cones you stick up your nose to force open the nostrils, don't really work, as they just fall out.

Posted by: ace at May 26, 2017 06:10 PM (8rNrN)

170 159 ==officially Sleeveless Sheath Season. ==
Haven't you heard? Sleeveless with toned arms is so passe. Now its strappy gauze that falls off your shoulders.
Posted by: Michelle Obama at May 26, 2017 06:04 PM (tkNkP)

My office dress code is conservative... Could not get away with that ugly AF limp rag look even I wanted to. Damn... has Mooch forever tainted sleevelessness?

Posted by: Gem at May 26, 2017 06:10 PM (uaHyk)

171 For millennia past up until about 150 years ago, we were all up and down with the sun. All the work had to be done during daylight hours because its friggen dark and shit after the sun goes down. The body furnace works real well early in the morning until about 4pm, that is the time to feed it fuel. Don't ever eat after the sun goes down. Eat a big breakfast and a big lunch then snack a bit in the evening. Lots of animal protein and fat, lots of veggies, and minimize the simple sugars. If you want to eat the grain carbs, do it in the morning so you can burn them off during the day; be sure to get the protein in the morning as well so good meat gets added to the frame. Benjamin Franklin was correct, early to bed and early to rise . . . . .

Posted by: Bonecrusher at May 26, 2017 06:14 PM (r+mGZ)

172 My back and shoulders are fucking yoked. Arms too. Fuck!

I may have to go out tonight and this weekend and chase some trim. See if those hungry eyes I've been recieveing are legit.

Night Horde!

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at May 26, 2017 06:22 PM (2qHjF)

173 Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 26, 2017 05:50 PM (YEelc)

Good point. What do you suggest?

Posted by: gracepc at May 26, 2017 06:24 PM (OU4q6)

174 Ace, I've been LCIF lately mainly because of your initial posts. I do 18:6 & it's become really easy to do. I eat between noon and 6 pm. It's helped me get down to my final goal. I'm 5'7 and had hung out around my ideal body weight of 135 for a long time. Fasting now has me at 128. That's my final goal. I wanted to be at a weight where when I bounced up I don't go past 130. I'm at the point where I nearly forget to eat. I get scared of not getting my protein in every day so that's my primary focus now. I hope you get back on the train soon! Or just do 'lazy' keto. People lose a lot just doing that.

Posted by: KinLa at May 26, 2017 06:25 PM (6tKOW)

175 I missed the context of the above, but I'd like to state something very clearly: Unless you are an insect you CANNOT BREATHE THROUGH YOUR SKIN.

Your "pores" don't connect to your bloodstream,, at least not directly. They're connected to either hairs or sweat ducts.

As to the wisdom of taping your mouth shut before bed, I don't "know", but it sounds like a REALLY bad idea to me.

Posted by: looking closely at May 26, 2017 06:28 PM (0hzM1)

176 My Take- I do not want to live to be 90.
Having worked outside in a hard labor job, that I consciously chose and love, I don't crave depends for life's sake.

I come from a family with longevity so the 2+ packs of smokes and the wine will hopefully not take me to that stage and yes it is a conscious choice.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 26, 2017 06:29 PM (FYX7N)

177 Taping your mouth is like holding yourself hostage.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 26, 2017 06:29 PM (NT3RT)

178 Posted by: ace at May 26, 2017 05:51 PM (8rNrN)

Did that for awhile with trainer who thought it a good idea. I wouldn't now. Lots of opportunity to twist an ankle. And also the instability fights against good form. And, in my opinion, good form counts.

You can have fun with it though. Despite what I said about good form when I wasn't worried about falling off I focused on my form. It was just hard to achieve. 2 cents.

Posted by: gracepc at May 26, 2017 06:29 PM (OU4q6)

179 This shit is so far above me but I've been reading it since you started. I lost 40 lbs. last year from walking and toning up at the gym. Then the shoulder surgery. Put me out of commission for 7 months. Gained it all back. Now I'm 6 lbs. lost and an inch in my arms legs and waist in a month. Just eating less of what I like. I'll keep reading and gleaning anything I can get from you guys.

Posted by: Jaimo at May 26, 2017 06:32 PM (eDc0r)

180 I can confirm that taping the mouth shut while sleeping is a terrible idea.

Posted by: Zombie Jane, Pinkman's Girlfriend at May 26, 2017 06:33 PM (2qHjF)

181 With all the talk about pillows, one thing you want to keep in mind is that your body flushes out amyloid plagues (waste matter from metalbolism during the day) of your brain at night while you sleep, and it does so best if you do so on your side and (obviously) if it doesn't have to fight gravity.

I'm a bad one for sleeping with an over-elevated head, the connection between NOT washing those plaques out and alzheimer's/reduced cognitive ability/etc., is fairly motivating.

Posted by: moviegique at May 26, 2017 06:40 PM (CcUfv)

182 Posted by: IC at May 26, 2017 06:05 PM (a0IVu)

perverse sense of accomplishment.

HA. I get that. Took me a year to finally be able to do 1 straight non kip pull up. I have good upper body strength, but had never been able to do that. It was interesting to learn how.

Still only run if I have too. "Hiking"don't care too much for that either. At least they doing part. The scenery is usually pretty worth it.

If you read this, question. Is walking long distance easy for you? What about uphill? Just curious.

Posted by: gracepc at May 26, 2017 06:44 PM (OU4q6)

183 I am a nose breather by day, but a natural mouth breather by night.

What about those head slings that hold your mouth shut? I have a phobia about adhesives.

I have apnea that I do not treat, because I cannot tolerate the CPAP, but I do okay when I sleep on my side. However, whenever I flop on my back, my jaw drops open, I snore, and drive my wife crazy. So, I set up a retreat in an adjoining office with a futon. If she gives me the elbow, I can give her a chance to sleep while I literally cut Z's in the other room.

Posted by: tommylotto at May 26, 2017 06:47 PM (oozmg)

184 gracepc- I walked long distance uphill to school in a blizzard for years so it easy. Sorry, couldn't resist.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 26, 2017 06:48 PM (FYX7N)

185 Luxury!!!

Posted by: Blutarski-0.0 at May 26, 2017 06:49 PM (Xluzf)

186 Anyone have any good recipes or source for keto meal planning. Went Keto for 3 weeks, lost 8 lbs, stress and job hours got me off plan. Really looking to get back to it.

Posted by: AFlyingSQRL at May 26, 2017 06:53 PM (XrahF)

187 Posted by: Ben Had at May 26, 2017 06:48 PM (FYX7N)

So did I. AND I had to carry my little brother on my back. Maybe that's why I hate it so.

Posted by: gracepc at May 26, 2017 06:58 PM (OU4q6)

188 Posted by: AFlyingSQRL at May 26, 2017 06:53 PM (XrahF)

Maybe you will see this. Somebody upthread mentioned a You Tube Keto cooking channel. I think. Maybe not.

Posted by: gracepc at May 26, 2017 06:59 PM (OU4q6)

189 gracepc- Touche, with the little thingy over the e.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 26, 2017 07:04 PM (FYX7N)

190 The YouTube channel is called headbangers kitchen. Lots good ideas and if I can cook it it's easy. He's an Indian guy (not woo woo Indian) and pretty likable

Posted by: Blutarski-0.0 at May 26, 2017 07:05 PM (Xluzf)

191 It's a long weekend to get my BEERBELLYZZZ up to speed.

Posted by: wth at May 26, 2017 07:09 PM (HgMAr)

192 My long weekend dilemma- I want an Amoretto fizz but I can't kill of my bottle of wine so I don't have to waste that.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 26, 2017 07:15 PM (FYX7N)

193 Crap= Kill it off.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 26, 2017 07:16 PM (FYX7N)

194 New study out- Wine reduces ability to proofread and increases typos.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 26, 2017 07:19 PM (FYX7N)

195 Apparently a lot of people have Gainzzzed a life.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 26, 2017 07:23 PM (FYX7N)

196 Apparently a lot of people have Gainzzzed a life.
Posted by: Ben Had

I know, it's weird. This thread usually runs about 500. Must be a three day weekend.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 26, 2017 07:30 PM (Xluzf)

197 178
Posted by: ace at May 26, 2017 05:51 PM (8rNrN)

Did that for
awhile with trainer who thought it a good idea. I wouldn't now. Lots of
opportunity to twist an ankle. And also the instability fights against
good form. And, in my opinion, good form counts.

You can have fun
with it though. Despite what I said about good form when I wasn't
worried about falling off I focused on my form. It was just hard to
achieve. 2 cents.

Posted by: gracepc at May 26, 2017 06:29 PM (OU4q6)

BOSU's (stands for BOth Sides Up) are really good for activating stabilizer muscles. As long as you're not doing anything crazy on them, you shouldn't hurt yourself.
You can also use them for pushups (rounded side to the floor, hands on edge of flat side), planks, squats (once you're comfortable just standing on one).

Posted by: Tami at May 26, 2017 07:36 PM (Enq6K)

198 Holy fucking shit, MOUTH TAPING!?!?!?!?!

Damn, ace, just get some Breathe-Right strips...... I was a mouth breather with a deviated septum.... woke up with dry tongue (and you know that sucks!).... tried the strips, they work great...in fact, even when I forget to put one on I can just use the same nose-breathing I'm used to doing, and it works fine....

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at May 26, 2017 07:43 PM (br2jI)

199 I was having trouble with my GAINNNZZZ. I had plateaued for months and any success was short term.

But I got a new job in a warehouse. It's like cross fit for 8 hours a day. And I get paid to do it.

I'm gaining muscle and losing fat again. Downside - I work in a steel warehouse, no a/c, in Texas.

Please, do not tell me to stay hydrated. I know all about hydration and how important it is (which would be - VERY).

Posted by: Skunky Choom at May 26, 2017 07:53 PM (u/p7K)

200 I'm late to the thread, and I'm going to sound like a crazy essential oils lady, but I accidentally found a cure for my snoring/mouth breathing. I have an oil blend that I use for headaches. One day I put it on and lay down to take a nap, and noticed that my nostrils seemed just to open up in response to the oil. And I didn't snore! Ever since then I put it on the sides of my nose every night, and I quit snoring.

Now I've lost 20 pounds and the snoring stopped, so I don't need it anymore.

Posted by: Rarity at May 26, 2017 08:42 PM (5WxYJ)

201 There's a free program called f.lux that you can download. When the local sunset happens, it automatically reduces the blue light from your computer screen.

AND, this was revolutionary: it's dead simple to program your computer to turn itself off at a set time every night.

Start -> All Programs -> Accessories -> System Tools -> Scheduled Tasks.

Click "Add Scheduled Task", you'll be prompted to select which program you wish to run, click Browse and go to: C:\Windows\system32\shutdown.exe

Finish configuring when you'd like it to run (Daily, 10pm) and click Finish.

Posted by: Beverly at May 26, 2017 09:04 PM (7SBs1)

202 I programmed mine to give me 2 minutes' warning. Now, this doesn't mean you can't reboot the computer, but it's a heck of a speed bump, and it calls my attention to how I feel about being kicked off my bottle (about 2 years old sometimes).

RE tape: why not use the chin strap for snorers? they have them on line. Probably not as hardcore, but it's supposed to keep you from mouth-breathing.

Posted by: Beverly at May 26, 2017 09:06 PM (7SBs1)

203 IF is super easy for me. I'm not every hungry in the mornings and my 20 oz cup of black coffee gives me plenty of zing and hydration. But mostly the zing. Because waking up sucks. I workout in the mornings too, well after taking the kids to school, usually around 9am and don't have an issue of not having any fuel for the workout. I usually do a P90x/X2/X3/X+ routine. I like Tony Horton, especially his goofy humor. Don't know if fasted workout is better or worse, but it works for me.

So I end up eating around noon thirty and eat dinner around 6ish. Never been a late night eater either. I've been able to control snacking during that time with eating walnuts and almonds. My big craving is sweets, but I have found that a teaspoon or 2 of peanut butter will at least get me by. If it wasn't for the wife/kids, I could probably just have one huge meal around 3 and not eat the rest of the day before or after.

GAINZ - back down the 7-10 pounds I had put on the last couple of months failing at low carb.

Posted by: Memories at May 26, 2017 09:23 PM (mwcEF)

204 late to party

sleep is really important, I suck at sleeping

biggest thing is you need to make your workout routine just that, do your 3,4,5,6 day whatever routine each time you need to

consistency is key

Posted by: Origional Jake at May 26, 2017 10:35 PM (f6p+F)

205 well I'm almost through my second six-week course of HST (hypertrophy specific training), and despite the name, my strength gains have been fantastic! My deadlift has gone from 245 to 300, my squat from 250 to 300, bench 145 to 215. cable triceps from 77.5 to 177.5, face pulls from 50 to 190. It's a demanding protocol but it works for my body, no kidding. I'm 58 year old stroke survivor btw

Posted by: conanthelibertarian at May 27, 2017 07:35 AM (96Kyo)

206 Started IF on March 6th. Have been eating mostly low carb for a couple of years. Lost 23 lbs. in 6 weeks. YAY!

Then plateaued for about 2 weeks. Had two cheat days in a row and gained 5 lbs. AARGH!

Oh, well. Back at it today.

Posted by: altered states at May 28, 2017 11:21 AM (/F50A)

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