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Did Anyone Watch the Twin Peaks Return?
The show was not what I thought it would be, at all.
I thought the show would be what is now called a "soft reboot." I thought they would continue the storyline, but they would introduce a young FBI agent to track the whereabouts of the missing Special Agent Dale Cooper. That agent would then go to Twin Peaks -- where Cooper was last seen, and where he had been working a couple of major cases before disappearing -- and there the agent would meet the locals, and get a sense of the strange darkness that lurks in the woods of the area. I was pretty sure they would do something like this because most people have not seen Twin Peaks, and most people who have seen it have forgotten most of it except for catchphrases ("Damn fine cup of Joe!"), and most people who have seen it haven't really even seen it -- most people who saw the show actually stopped watching after the first season, and those who persisted through that stopped watching after the killer was kinda sorta revealed in season 2 episode 8. And even people who've seen the whole thing -- a group which could not possibly constitute more than 1% of the population -- still need a refresher. How many people actually know that Dale Cooper was imprisoned in the nightmarish alternate-plane-of-existence called "The Black Lodge" (or, the Red Room in the Black Lodge), and replaced on earth by an evil doppleganger possessed by the eternal (?) spirit of murder called "BOB" in the last shot of the show? Hell, how many people even know about the White Lodge/Black Lodge mythology the show developed in the last six or so episodes after the show had been cancelled because no one was watching any longer? I only know about that for one reason-- after the Psych parody/homage "Dual Spires," I looked up a list of references made to Twin Peaks, one of which was Sean calling Gus "Lodge Blackman." Which an internet site told me was (of course!) a reference to the Black Lodge, which I'd never heard of. It so happened that Twin Peaks was available on Netflix or something at that time, so I watched most of the second season. So I'm hip. But how many other people know that? Instead of bringing old viewers, occasional viewers, and non-viewers along slowly, the show assumes you're not only familiar with the weird alien/American Indian hybrid mythology the show came up with at the very end of its run, and furthermore assumes you're not only cool with that, but ready to see that merge right into the end chapter of a Cthulhu story, right out of the (planar) gate. Even knowing that stuff, I still felt the show was rushing to get to places I would have preferred to get to by the scenic route. Rather than do a slow build up of omens and portents suggesting dark forces, the show drops supernatural MOABs in the opening half hour, and then gets crazy with planar travel in the third episode. Now it's all kind of interesting and the supernatural stuff was great, but I still feel it would have had more impact if they had build up to those sequences, rather than just started the show with them. And for anyone just joining -- or people who have vague memories of Twin Peaks season 1 and maybe the first few episodes of season 2 -- it has to have been alienating. Anyone who tuned out before the finale probably doesn't know that Twin Peaks wasn't just hinting about the supernatural at the end, it was full-on about some extra-dimensional evils invading the world, and might be wondering "What the hell does this have to do with who killed Laura Palmer?" The "Return" therefore doesn't offer the same experience as the original show, with notions about the hidden paranormal reality underlying our own being suggested slowly (and in a they-can't-be-serious kind of way); it goes X-Files Season 9 right out of the (weird, glass) box. Also: I think the original show was rightly criticized for having too much silly, inconsequential soap opera (and arch soap opera parody) with too many inconsequential characters, when people really just wanted to focus on the cops, the suspects, and the weird darkness that might or might be invading Twin Peaks. I remember being very annoyed by the silly nonsense on the side, and, when I sort of re-watched Twin Peaks three years ago, I deployed the fast forward function liberally to skip over anything that I knew wasn't core to the mystery or the supernatural elements. (With the second half of the second season I was seeing for the first time, I didn't know what stuff didn't matter, but I could guess, and I fast forwarded through anything that seemed like it was throwaway nonsense). The new version seems to, at least for the beginning of it, taken that advice to heart, and most of the early-going is a very dark and gory police procedural without the lightness and distancing element of soap-opera parody and weird-to-be-weird archness of the original. And to be honest, I think now I was wrong to discount those sillier moments: When you see too much of this really macabre stuff back-to-back, you do kind of want some throwaway moments of levity in between. The stuff with Matthew Lillard in "Buckhorn, South Dakota" is absolutely horrifying. (And he's doing a really great job of acting -- he seems to be a confused and terrified guy who, while mentally innocent of murder, is in fact physically guilty of a whole lot of murders.) The glass box was riveting -- surprised as heck to see it paid off so soon. The David Lynchian semi-humor -- just absurd stuff that is played straight which I guess he thinks is funny, but really isn't funny, it's just weird -- is of course here. Even the trippy parts, which could have been haunting masterpieces, are spoiled a little by Lynch's impulse to subvert himself with gonzo goofiness. One cameo I won't spoil was great. I don't know where the show is going, but I desperately want Dale Cooper back. Dale Cooper was such a singular character -- the show's Fonzie. He was the ultimate square -- an upright, uptight, professional lawman, polite and always optimistic and contented -- and yet at the same time weirdly Hippy-bent with his notions of Zen techniques to tap into what the Jungian unconscious might know but keeps hidden from the conscious. And of course his eager embrace of omens and clues gathered in dreams. His absolute Lawful Good happiness was a huge reason the dark tones of the original were much more bearable than they otherwise would have been. And his absence is makes this new version feel a lot darker than I'd like it to feel. Anyway, have you seen it? What do you guys think? I like the show and I would like to see it succeed -- which is why I'm more bothered than maybe I should be that I don't think it did nearly enough to bring anyone along on the trip besides people who actually run Twin Peaks Fan Archives sites, and James Roday. By the Way: Below, some of the Black Lodge scenes from the show, including stuff from the last episode, which featured a lot of time in the parallel dimension of the Black Lodge.Comments
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No. But I didn't watch it the first time around either.
Posted by: tu3031 at May 22, 2017 03:53 PM (qJhUV)
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And...first!
Posted by: tu3031 at May 22, 2017 03:53 PM (qJhUV)
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Is it as bad as the Arrested Development return that I and no one else watched?
Is it as bad as the Arrested Development return that I and no one else watched?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 22, 2017 03:55 PM (Ao3oZ)
Posted by: WaldoTJ (in Texas) at May 22, 2017 03:55 PM (M1MpJ)
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when was the original air date ? 90's ?
Posted by: runner at May 22, 2017 03:56 PM (c6/9Q)
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Don't have Showtime, but I'd like to see it.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 22, 2017 03:56 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Keanu at May 22, 2017 03:57 PM (C52a9)
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I saw some twin peaks at the grocery store yesterday.Does that count?
Posted by: dantesed at May 22, 2017 03:57 PM (88xKn)
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no, I haven't seen it. And I think goat cheese is over-rated
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at May 22, 2017 03:57 PM (ILitO)
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Laura Flynn Boyle's aunt is Suzie Quatro who was Fonzie's girlfriend until he became a pussy in The Waterboy after Snowman told him things were going to get awfully awfully physical around here.
Posted by: Lord Sir x at May 22, 2017 03:58 PM (nFwvY)
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This is the boobs thread, yes?
This is the boobs thread, yes?
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 22, 2017 03:58 PM (XWkhW)
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No. But I didn't watch it the first time around either.
Say something *interesting*. Kthxbai.
when was the original air date ? 90's ?
April 1990 - June 1991, says the IMDB.
Say something *interesting*. Kthxbai.
when was the original air date ? 90's ?
April 1990 - June 1991, says the IMDB.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at May 22, 2017 03:59 PM (FftaI)
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Are there backwards talking midgets in this one?
Posted by: wooga at May 22, 2017 04:00 PM (7utzD)
Posted by: fixerupper at May 22, 2017 04:00 PM (8XRCm)
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I saw some twin peaks at the grocery store yesterday.Does that count?
Posted by: dantesed at May 22, 2017 03:57 PM (88xKn)
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Was it in the freezer section? It gets chilly in there. Makes the twins perky.
Posted by: dantesed at May 22, 2017 03:57 PM (88xKn)
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Was it in the freezer section? It gets chilly in there. Makes the twins perky.
Posted by: wth at May 22, 2017 04:00 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzzy at May 22, 2017 04:01 PM (gIYPV)
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But how does James Comey fit in here?
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzzy at May 22, 2017 04:01 PM (gIYPV)
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He's a boob.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzzy at May 22, 2017 04:01 PM (gIYPV)
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He's a boob.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 22, 2017 04:01 PM (8XRCm)
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My American girlfriend when I lived in Italy got me into this show, but I never made it past episode 4 or 5 of the second season.
The recent RLM re:View of Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me has made me want to rewatch, though. So maybe I'll catch up with the new stuff at some point.
The recent RLM re:View of Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me has made me want to rewatch, though. So maybe I'll catch up with the new stuff at some point.
Posted by: Red Tape at May 22, 2017 04:01 PM (viSzi)
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Who asked earlier if Ace would be doing a Twin Peaks post?
Honestly I never watched one minute of the original, and had no idea it was coming back - but I find this somewhat comical.
Honestly I never watched one minute of the original, and had no idea it was coming back - but I find this somewhat comical.
Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 22, 2017 04:01 PM (GURcy)
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I saw goat milk in the grocery store recently ...don't know what to think...must be market for it ?
Posted by: runner at May 22, 2017 04:02 PM (c6/9Q)
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A television show debuts and a movie critique breaks out!
Posted by: dfbaskwill at May 22, 2017 04:02 PM (zllbf)
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I get Twin Peaks confused with Northern Exposure.
Posted by: kallisto at May 22, 2017 04:02 PM (kD8Fh)
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Sounds like they are trying to ride the "Stranger Things" phenomena's coattails..
I did not see this on nor did I watch the original series.
I did not see this on nor did I watch the original series.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 22, 2017 04:02 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 04:02 PM (C52a9)
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I tried watching twin peaks when it originally aired couldn't do it mostly because I was working three jobs.
I would catch the occasional episode but couldn't decipher it.
I would catch the occasional episode but couldn't decipher it.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 04:03 PM (CPYQe)
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Nope. Not watching. I am enjoying 'Alpha House' though. It's a lot of 'inside the beltway' humour that most people won't recognize. AoS people would, though.
Oh, yeah -- it attacks the ever living hell out of Republicans. But it's still funny. 'Little Marco' (I swear is modeled after Marco Rubio) is a hoot.
Must be a personality deficit on my part, because I'm letting them bust my balls, because I still laugh. I mean John Goodman, how can you not laugh?
Yeah, I know, Garry Trudeau. Sue me.
Nope. Not watching. I am enjoying 'Alpha House' though. It's a lot of 'inside the beltway' humour that most people won't recognize. AoS people would, though.
Oh, yeah -- it attacks the ever living hell out of Republicans. But it's still funny. 'Little Marco' (I swear is modeled after Marco Rubio) is a hoot.
Must be a personality deficit on my part, because I'm letting them bust my balls, because I still laugh. I mean John Goodman, how can you not laugh?
Yeah, I know, Garry Trudeau. Sue me.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 22, 2017 04:03 PM (HTdUD)
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I like turtles.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 04:02 PM (C52a9)
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Turtle makes a fine soup.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 04:02 PM (C52a9)
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Turtle makes a fine soup.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 22, 2017 04:04 PM (8XRCm)
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Used to watch it until my marriage separation started. Kinda makes one lose interest.
Posted by: Soona at May 22, 2017 04:04 PM (Fmupd)
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tape sock off
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 04:04 PM (viSzi)
Posted by: Sound of Hat Noise at May 22, 2017 04:04 PM (rUIbB)
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runner, there's all kinds of milk and "milk" in one of the grocery stores I visit. Even some stuff that's not homogenized, I *think.* Pretty sure all milk has to be pasteurized. Maybe I'll go look for it.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at May 22, 2017 04:04 PM (FQKBL)
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>>>Is it as bad as the Arrested Development return that I and no one else watched?
no it's actually pretty good -- but it seems to pretty good only for the small subset of people I describe-- people who followed the show through its disastrous second season, after its cancellation, and actually bothered to watch the ending (aired after the show was cancelled ,when fans begged ABC to air them), when the show got weird and briefly neat again.
it's like a show that almost requires you to read Wikipedia and fan theory sites before watching, just because they don't bother with any "As you know, the Black Lodge is..." exposition nutshells.
no it's actually pretty good -- but it seems to pretty good only for the small subset of people I describe-- people who followed the show through its disastrous second season, after its cancellation, and actually bothered to watch the ending (aired after the show was cancelled ,when fans begged ABC to air them), when the show got weird and briefly neat again.
it's like a show that almost requires you to read Wikipedia and fan theory sites before watching, just because they don't bother with any "As you know, the Black Lodge is..." exposition nutshells.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:04 PM (8rNrN)
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23 Sounds like they are trying to ride the "Stranger Things" phenomena's coattails..
I did not see this on nor did I watch the original series.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 22, 2017 04:02 PM (so+oy)
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They started work on this before Stranger Things was a thing.
It's part of the general "We can't come up with anything new" that's infused most of the creative industries for a couple of decades.
I did not see this on nor did I watch the original series.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 22, 2017 04:02 PM (so+oy)
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They started work on this before Stranger Things was a thing.
It's part of the general "We can't come up with anything new" that's infused most of the creative industries for a couple of decades.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 04:05 PM (viSzi)
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it's like a show that almost requires you to read Wikipedia and fan theory sites before watching, just because they don't bother with any "As you know, the Black Lodge is..." exposition nutshells.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:04 PM (8rNrN)
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So, pure Lynch.
it's like a show that almost requires you to read Wikipedia and fan theory sites before watching, just because they don't bother with any "As you know, the Black Lodge is..." exposition nutshells.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:04 PM (8rNrN)
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So, pure Lynch.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 04:06 PM (viSzi)
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Northern Exposure was fun.
And Janinre Turner was/is a smokeshow.
And Janinre Turner was/is a smokeshow.
Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 22, 2017 04:06 PM (GURcy)
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Pretty sure all milk has to be pasteurized. Maybe I'll go look for it.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at May 22, 2017 04:04 PM (FQKBL)
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Ever lean against a fence post and watch a herd of dairy cows go by???
They all end up past-your-eyes.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at May 22, 2017 04:04 PM (FQKBL)
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Ever lean against a fence post and watch a herd of dairy cows go by???
They all end up past-your-eyes.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 22, 2017 04:06 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Publius Redux at May 22, 2017 04:06 PM (Fb9aZ)
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What station/channel is this on?
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at May 22, 2017 04:07 PM (jjaLl)
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I get Twin Peaks confused with Northern Exposure.
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Not me.
It's usually Indecent Exposure.
And Scream.
I get Twin Peaks confused with Northern Exposure.
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Not me.
It's usually Indecent Exposure.
And Scream.
Posted by: RoyalOil at May 22, 2017 04:07 PM (ZQpd0)
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I watched the original but I didn't finish watching the second half of the second season. I am going to watch those first before I watch the reboot.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 04:07 PM (Ri/rl)
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>>>Sounds like they are trying to ride the "Stranger Things" phenomena's coattails..
well, it was Twin Peaks that gave birth to the X-Files, Lost, Stranger Days, etc.
They're capitalizing on a trend and a genre they invented, then screwed up because they didn't know where to go from the initial few episodes.
(Lost copied them on that, no? Which is why I never watched Lost. When people told me to watch Lost, I said, "Nope, I've seen Twin Peaks. I know damn well they created a neat and weird premise but have no idea what the ending is going to be, or even where they're going with this, and you'll watch them spin their wheels for a long time until they end up with an out of left field Strange Purgatory semi-ending, just like Twin Peaks did."
Which I understand is what happened.
well, it was Twin Peaks that gave birth to the X-Files, Lost, Stranger Days, etc.
They're capitalizing on a trend and a genre they invented, then screwed up because they didn't know where to go from the initial few episodes.
(Lost copied them on that, no? Which is why I never watched Lost. When people told me to watch Lost, I said, "Nope, I've seen Twin Peaks. I know damn well they created a neat and weird premise but have no idea what the ending is going to be, or even where they're going with this, and you'll watch them spin their wheels for a long time until they end up with an out of left field Strange Purgatory semi-ending, just like Twin Peaks did."
Which I understand is what happened.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:07 PM (8rNrN)
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I saw Astral Travel Sequences open for Jefferson Starship at the Iowa State Fair in '87.
I saw Astral Travel Sequences open for Jefferson Starship at the Iowa State Fair in '87.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 22, 2017 04:09 PM (8XRCm)
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Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at May 22, 2017 04:04 PM (FQKBL)
not sure I would want to try that thing...though chevre is fine by me....
not sure I would want to try that thing...though chevre is fine by me....
Posted by: runner at May 22, 2017 04:09 PM (c6/9Q)
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20 I saw goat milk in the grocery store recently ...don't know what to think...must be market for it ?
Posted by: runner at May 22, 2017 04:02 PM (c6/9Q)
It's genuine, drinkable milk that is naturally lower in lactose. Also, it does not have to be homogenized because the fat in goat's milk doesn't separate.
I've heard it makes amazing ice cream because of the way the fat behaves, but I've never tried it.
Meyenberg is good. I've had goat's milk from a neighbor, but it tasted too much like a barnyard to me.
Posted by: runner at May 22, 2017 04:02 PM (c6/9Q)
It's genuine, drinkable milk that is naturally lower in lactose. Also, it does not have to be homogenized because the fat in goat's milk doesn't separate.
I've heard it makes amazing ice cream because of the way the fat behaves, but I've never tried it.
Meyenberg is good. I've had goat's milk from a neighbor, but it tasted too much like a barnyard to me.
Posted by: Emmie at May 22, 2017 04:09 PM (ZapPq)
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I would characterize Twin Peaks as too strange for episodic television.
David Lynch must have incriminating photos of ABC execs, it's do only thing that makes sense for why it's been brought back.
David Lynch must have incriminating photos of ABC execs, it's do only thing that makes sense for why it's been brought back.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 04:09 PM (CPYQe)
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I binged every episode a year or two ago.... think when my back went out for a few days.... great show, especially on muscle-relaxants and beer.....
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at May 22, 2017 04:09 PM (jjaLl)
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Are Audrey and Donna in the re boot?
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 04:10 PM (Ri/rl)
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So is Winona in it or not?!?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at May 22, 2017 04:10 PM (JTTMp)
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Is it as bad as the Arrested Development return that I and no one else watched?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 22, 2017 03:55 PM (Ao3oZ)
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Uuuugh the new episodes of Arrested Development were so bad - we watched two and stopped. How could a show that was so good be so awful just because of a change in networks? Did an entirely new production and writing team come on board? We loved the original series.
By the way - re-watching Cheers with the kids. It still holds up. Kelsey Grammer is such a masterful actor. You can see he is destined for stardom from his first show - where he is really just a bit part/part time character. But some actors you can just tell. They "have it."
Is it as bad as the Arrested Development return that I and no one else watched?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 22, 2017 03:55 PM (Ao3oZ)
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Uuuugh the new episodes of Arrested Development were so bad - we watched two and stopped. How could a show that was so good be so awful just because of a change in networks? Did an entirely new production and writing team come on board? We loved the original series.
By the way - re-watching Cheers with the kids. It still holds up. Kelsey Grammer is such a masterful actor. You can see he is destined for stardom from his first show - where he is really just a bit part/part time character. But some actors you can just tell. They "have it."
Posted by: Publius Redux at May 22, 2017 04:10 PM (Fb9aZ)
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David Lynch must have incriminating photos of ABC execs, it's do only thing that makes sense for why it's been brought back.
Nah, it was a show all the cool kids thought was a masterpiece and everybody else thought was a weird piece of shit. We all know who wins there.
Nah, it was a show all the cool kids thought was a masterpiece and everybody else thought was a weird piece of shit. We all know who wins there.
Posted by: tu3031 at May 22, 2017 04:11 PM (qJhUV)
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Haven't watched yet but probably will. David Lynch runs off the rails fairly often, but unlike many other directors he *goes for it* and doesn't compromise. And his vision is unlike any other. He's brilliant, in a league with Stanley Kubrick.
I just bought the Criterion DVD issue of Eraserhead, and Mulholland Drive is my all-time favorite movie.
I just bought the Criterion DVD issue of Eraserhead, and Mulholland Drive is my all-time favorite movie.
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at May 22, 2017 04:11 PM (Yi9Gb)
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JJ Abrams doesn't do 3rd acts.
Posted by: Lord Sir x at May 22, 2017 04:12 PM (nFwvY)
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Anybody have any idea wth Ace is yammering about in this post?
He still trying to hang shelves or something?
Kaboom withdrawals?
He still trying to hang shelves or something?
Kaboom withdrawals?
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at May 22, 2017 04:12 PM (X+nFp)
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49 Uuuugh the new episodes of Arrested Development were so bad - we watched two and stopped. How could a show that was so good be so awful just because of a change in networks? Did an entirely new production and writing team come on board? We loved the original series.
Posted by: Publius Redux at May 22, 2017 04:10 PM (Fb9aZ)
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If I remember correctly, it also got on that bandwagon about the financial crash, too. It seemed to seep into every storyline and turned the whole thing into an exercise in unfunny.
It also didn't help that they couldn't get all of the actors in one place at one time.
Posted by: Publius Redux at May 22, 2017 04:10 PM (Fb9aZ)
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If I remember correctly, it also got on that bandwagon about the financial crash, too. It seemed to seep into every storyline and turned the whole thing into an exercise in unfunny.
It also didn't help that they couldn't get all of the actors in one place at one time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 04:12 PM (viSzi)
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OT: Man dies after contracting botulism from Northern California gas station's nacho cheese
http://preview.tinyurl.com/m5dk5ux
http://preview.tinyurl.com/m5dk5ux
Posted by: Nacho Hat at May 22, 2017 04:13 PM (rUIbB)
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what I remember about Twin Peaks is not complimentary...so I will stay my comments
Posted by: runner at May 22, 2017 04:13 PM (c6/9Q)
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I see...two peaks.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 04:13 PM (C52a9)
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ace, you might want to try Stranger Things. It seems like it was pulled straight out of the 80s, which of course you don't remember as you are only 29. I don't know that everything is going to get answered, although maybe season 2 will give us more.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at May 22, 2017 04:13 PM (FQKBL)
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The thing is, David Lynch really is a cinematic genius. The problem is he's one of those hit-or-miss geniuses, like Orson Welles. You either get brilliant filmmaking or you get unwatchable, incoherent, self-indulgent dreck. There is no middle ground.
Posted by: troyriser at May 22, 2017 04:13 PM (Fw5cQ)
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Nah, it was a show all the cool kids thought was a masterpiece and everybody else thought was a weird piece of shit. We all know who wins there.
Posted by: tu3031 at May 22, 2017 04:11 PM (qJhUV)
I loved it when it first came out. The second season I never finished watching.
Posted by: tu3031 at May 22, 2017 04:11 PM (qJhUV)
I loved it when it first came out. The second season I never finished watching.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 04:13 PM (Ri/rl)
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Count me as someone who watched the first season the first time around, and who then tuned out and never went back for the 2nd. I might have, and then I found out about the whole stupid ending to the "Who killed Lara Palmer?" plot, and it just pissed me off so I quit. Never heard about the black lodge/white lodge shit.
Sounds like they jumped in too far too fast this time. What I've observed as a successful formula is that first you've got to make a good show with good characters that people will invest in and be interested in - X-Files worked originally because people liked Scully and Mulder, they were intelligent and appealing, and people could get interested in following them and finding out what weird shit they were starting to get into.
But you can't just start off with the Weird Shit, not without giving people a reason for some sort of emotional investment. It just turns into visual Yoko Ono music, and who's gonna keep coming back for that?
Sounds like they jumped in too far too fast this time. What I've observed as a successful formula is that first you've got to make a good show with good characters that people will invest in and be interested in - X-Files worked originally because people liked Scully and Mulder, they were intelligent and appealing, and people could get interested in following them and finding out what weird shit they were starting to get into.
But you can't just start off with the Weird Shit, not without giving people a reason for some sort of emotional investment. It just turns into visual Yoko Ono music, and who's gonna keep coming back for that?
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2017 04:13 PM (d6ag0)
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58 ace, you might want to try Stranger Things. It seems like it was pulled straight out of the 80s, which of course you don't remember as you are only 29. I don't know that everything is going to get answered, although maybe season 2 will give us more.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at May 22, 2017 04:13 PM (FQKBL)
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Seconded.
It's good stuff.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at May 22, 2017 04:13 PM (FQKBL)
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Seconded.
It's good stuff.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 04:14 PM (viSzi)
63
Like so many shows, I've never seen an episode. But trying to recapture lightning in a bottle is usually impossible.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 22, 2017 04:14 PM (oVJmc)
64
Ace, nicely done. Nailed my viewing of the original, fading after 1st season. Don't watch much anything now, easily less than an hour a day. (Except pron and thats 10 mins at a time, 5x a day, max)
Posted by: pissed off oddnot at May 22, 2017 04:14 PM (g1MTt)
65
Banana Splits Guy, you'll get more Winona in Stranger Things.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at May 22, 2017 04:14 PM (FQKBL)
66
I haven't watched it yet because we're taking a soft break from TV shows while we're working on a project.
However, I have watched a lot of psych. Can we also talk psych? Because apparently they're trying to reboot that too.
However, I have watched a lot of psych. Can we also talk psych? Because apparently they're trying to reboot that too.
Posted by: Lauren at May 22, 2017 04:14 PM (UZTa9)
67
61 Count me as someone who watched the first season the first time around, and who then tuned out and never went back for the 2nd. I might have, and then I found out about the whole stupid ending to the "Who killed Lara Palmer?" plot, and it just pissed me off so I quit. Never heard about the black lodge/white lodge shit.
Sounds like they jumped in too far too fast this time. What I've observed as a successful formula is that first you've got to make a good show with good characters that people will invest in and be interested in - X-Files worked originally because people liked Scully and Mulder, they were intelligent and appealing, and people could get interested in following them and finding out what weird shit they were starting to get into.
But you can't just start off with the Weird Shit, not without giving people a reason for some sort of emotional investment. It just turns into visual Yoko Ono music, and who's gonna keep coming back for that?
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2017 04:13 PM (d6ag0)
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They solved the murder mystery very early in season 2, which is why season 2 is poorly regarded.
The show was never about Laura. It was about the town. And with the murder solved, the show didn't know what to do with itself.
Sounds like they jumped in too far too fast this time. What I've observed as a successful formula is that first you've got to make a good show with good characters that people will invest in and be interested in - X-Files worked originally because people liked Scully and Mulder, they were intelligent and appealing, and people could get interested in following them and finding out what weird shit they were starting to get into.
But you can't just start off with the Weird Shit, not without giving people a reason for some sort of emotional investment. It just turns into visual Yoko Ono music, and who's gonna keep coming back for that?
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2017 04:13 PM (d6ag0)
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They solved the murder mystery very early in season 2, which is why season 2 is poorly regarded.
The show was never about Laura. It was about the town. And with the murder solved, the show didn't know what to do with itself.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 04:15 PM (viSzi)
68
It had the guy from Dune in it, right?
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 04:15 PM (C52a9)
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Did Anyone Watch the Twin Peaks Return?
No. And I hope to keep it that way.
I stupidly watched the Twin Peaks movie ... I would have rather watched two hours of those idiots in England rolling down the hill after that big wheel of cheese. Happily. I would have rather watched 50 hours of cheese flopping.
I don't know what people see in David Lynch. I really don't.
No. And I hope to keep it that way.
I stupidly watched the Twin Peaks movie ... I would have rather watched two hours of those idiots in England rolling down the hill after that big wheel of cheese. Happily. I would have rather watched 50 hours of cheese flopping.
I don't know what people see in David Lynch. I really don't.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 22, 2017 04:15 PM (zc3Db)
70
I loved the original.
I went back and watched several episodes about a year ago, I still can't believe how "modern" the show felt considering it was made in 1990. And it was on Network television to boot.
I never gleaned any politics from his work, but my understanding is creator David Lynch is actually a big Republican.
I went back and watched several episodes about a year ago, I still can't believe how "modern" the show felt considering it was made in 1990. And it was on Network television to boot.
I never gleaned any politics from his work, but my understanding is creator David Lynch is actually a big Republican.
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 04:15 PM (zu/Gn)
71
I'll second the Stranger Things suggestion.
You've heightened my interest in a show I did not even know existed, so I'll give it a shot when I have some free time.
You've heightened my interest in a show I did not even know existed, so I'll give it a shot when I have some free time.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 22, 2017 04:15 PM (72PAC)
72
Don't know, don't care, it's a f-in TV show.
Posted by: West at May 22, 2017 04:16 PM (1Rgee)
73
but it tasted too much like a barnyard to me.
Posted by: Emmie at May 22, 2017 04:09 PM (ZapPq)
That's the caproic acid in the milk.
Yuck.
Posted by: Emmie at May 22, 2017 04:09 PM (ZapPq)
That's the caproic acid in the milk.
Yuck.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 22, 2017 04:16 PM (rF0hx)
74
Just watched the 'Melania slapped away Trumps hand video'. Pure bullshit. He put his hand out - like 'Are you okay?' Not reaching for hand, a question.
So she brushed him off. She saw the reception line 10 feet away and knew he's have to start shaking hands.
The left is looking for any excuse to set their own hair on fire.
http://www.ajc.com/news/national/watch-melania-trump-appears-
slap-away-president-hand-israel/IIkpWucaAWIQQ136iWZSMK/
Just watched the 'Melania slapped away Trumps hand video'. Pure bullshit. He put his hand out - like 'Are you okay?' Not reaching for hand, a question.
So she brushed him off. She saw the reception line 10 feet away and knew he's have to start shaking hands.
The left is looking for any excuse to set their own hair on fire.
http://www.ajc.com/news/national/watch-melania-trump-appears-
slap-away-president-hand-israel/IIkpWucaAWIQQ136iWZSMK/
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 22, 2017 04:16 PM (HTdUD)
75
69 Did Anyone Watch the Twin Peaks Return?
No. And I hope to keep it that way.
I stupidly watched the Twin Peaks movie ... I would have rather watched two hours of those idiots in England rolling down the hill after that big wheel of cheese. Happily. I would have rather watched 50 hours of cheese flopping.
I don't know what people see in David Lynch. I really don't.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 22, 2017 04:15 PM (zc3Db)
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Cause he's great.
Eraserhead is great stuff. The Elephant Man (produced by that Mel Brooks) is fantastic. Mulholland Drive is tripy and amazing. Inland Empire is really good. Even Dune has its moments despite being a complete mess.
No. And I hope to keep it that way.
I stupidly watched the Twin Peaks movie ... I would have rather watched two hours of those idiots in England rolling down the hill after that big wheel of cheese. Happily. I would have rather watched 50 hours of cheese flopping.
I don't know what people see in David Lynch. I really don't.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 22, 2017 04:15 PM (zc3Db)
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Cause he's great.
Eraserhead is great stuff. The Elephant Man (produced by that Mel Brooks) is fantastic. Mulholland Drive is tripy and amazing. Inland Empire is really good. Even Dune has its moments despite being a complete mess.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 04:16 PM (viSzi)
76
sidebar piece about journos getting punked by fake twitter is sad/funny. Hilarious that they're so easily fooled and sad that no one does even the minimum fact checking anymore.
dopes
dopes
Posted by: kallisto at May 22, 2017 04:16 PM (kD8Fh)
77
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, cheese flopping.
Posted by: Homer Simpson at May 22, 2017 04:16 PM (IqV8l)
78
Is that lady still carrying around her log?
Posted by: mark1971 at May 22, 2017 04:16 PM (xPl2J)
79
It was the original Lost.
A show that started out as this one thing then the director, producer, writers and actors all started tripping on acid and it morphed into something unrecognizable.
A show that started out as this one thing then the director, producer, writers and actors all started tripping on acid and it morphed into something unrecognizable.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at May 22, 2017 04:17 PM (X+nFp)
80
Twin Peaks is like your High School sweetheart. 25 years later you remember her fondly and think of all her good qualities. Then you go to the reunion and remember that--oh yeah--she was bat-shit crazy and you really held on to that too long back then.
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at May 22, 2017 04:17 PM (HqpV0)
81
I did watch the full two seasons of the original though because, Netflix.
Posted by: Lauren at May 22, 2017 04:17 PM (UZTa9)
82
I don't drink goat milk, but I do like goat cheese.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2017 04:17 PM (d6ag0)
83
Ok, Ace, I stopped reading after a while, not because it's too long, but because I didn't want any accidental spoilers.
I'm not sure when I'll get to the new show. I have seen both television series, more than once, and watched the movie at least twice.
I bought the most recent release, including the so-called "Missing Pieces." If you haven't seen that, you might not be up on everything, and... I only know some of what it contains. I have to watch it all, the whole thing, all tv episodes, the movie, and the "missing pieces" before I tackle the new show.
Yes, I am a Twin Peaks junkie.
I'm not sure when I'll get to the new show. I have seen both television series, more than once, and watched the movie at least twice.
I bought the most recent release, including the so-called "Missing Pieces." If you haven't seen that, you might not be up on everything, and... I only know some of what it contains. I have to watch it all, the whole thing, all tv episodes, the movie, and the "missing pieces" before I tackle the new show.
Yes, I am a Twin Peaks junkie.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 22, 2017 04:17 PM (TOk1P)
84
>>>9 Uuuugh the new episodes of Arrested Development were so bad - we watched two and stopped. How could a show that was so good be so awful just because of a change in networks? Did an entirely new production and writing team come on board? We loved the original series.
1. Barely any writing team, just the show's creator, mostly. Almost all of the show's writers were employed by other shows and could not legally work on another show, even if they wanted to do a favor.
2. Actors rarely in the same location, so there's a problem with timing among people who had, when actually present with each other, great chemistry. Green screen used, for example, to put GOB and Tobias in the same room together.
3. The network always forced them to cut down episodes to 22 minutes. Mitch Hurtwitz was annoyed by this, as some gags he loved got cut.
But you see what happens when he doesn't have that 22 minute hard limit -- his shows bloat into 45 minute or even an hour's worth of snoozers.
The original show featured a lot of quick cutting to speed the show up, resulting in that bang-bang pace. Without that, the show winds up being listless.
4. Mitch Hurwitz seems to have chafed under network rules about decency and likability -- and he uses the Netflix freedom to abandon those. That results in people seeing a lot of stuff they didn't want to see, due to the network imposing some limits on disturbing stuff.
The reboot felt very sour and nasty, whereas the Fox show was forced to affirm all the time that this was a family that, at heart, did love each other.
And you wind up seeing that sometimes The Suits are not wrong.
1. Barely any writing team, just the show's creator, mostly. Almost all of the show's writers were employed by other shows and could not legally work on another show, even if they wanted to do a favor.
2. Actors rarely in the same location, so there's a problem with timing among people who had, when actually present with each other, great chemistry. Green screen used, for example, to put GOB and Tobias in the same room together.
3. The network always forced them to cut down episodes to 22 minutes. Mitch Hurtwitz was annoyed by this, as some gags he loved got cut.
But you see what happens when he doesn't have that 22 minute hard limit -- his shows bloat into 45 minute or even an hour's worth of snoozers.
The original show featured a lot of quick cutting to speed the show up, resulting in that bang-bang pace. Without that, the show winds up being listless.
4. Mitch Hurwitz seems to have chafed under network rules about decency and likability -- and he uses the Netflix freedom to abandon those. That results in people seeing a lot of stuff they didn't want to see, due to the network imposing some limits on disturbing stuff.
The reboot felt very sour and nasty, whereas the Fox show was forced to affirm all the time that this was a family that, at heart, did love each other.
And you wind up seeing that sometimes The Suits are not wrong.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:17 PM (8rNrN)
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81 I did watch the full two seasons of the original though because, Netflix.
Posted by: Lauren at May 22, 2017 04:17 PM (UZTa9)
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What else are you going to do with your time? Learn French? Put up shelves?
Posted by: Lauren at May 22, 2017 04:17 PM (UZTa9)
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What else are you going to do with your time? Learn French? Put up shelves?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 04:17 PM (viSzi)
86
The one show I wish they would bring back and give it a proper send off is the HBO series Carnivale.
That too was a pretty out there episodic but with characters you actually liked.
It even had the midget from Twin peaks.
But they literally killed the series without tying up anything.
That too was a pretty out there episodic but with characters you actually liked.
It even had the midget from Twin peaks.
But they literally killed the series without tying up anything.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 04:18 PM (CPYQe)
87
The opening credits of the original show is one of TV's best.
Posted by: Mark1971 at May 22, 2017 04:18 PM (xPl2J)
88
86 The one show I wish they would bring back and give it a proper send off is the HBO series Carnivale.
That too was a pretty out there episodic but with characters you actually liked.
It even had the midget from Twin peaks.
But they literally killed the series without tying up anything.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 04:18 PM (CPYQe)
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You and me both.
That too was a pretty out there episodic but with characters you actually liked.
It even had the midget from Twin peaks.
But they literally killed the series without tying up anything.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 04:18 PM (CPYQe)
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You and me both.
Posted by: Deadwood at May 22, 2017 04:18 PM (viSzi)
Posted by: Country Boy at May 22, 2017 04:18 PM (tSLhf)
90
I haven't seen episodes 3 and 4 tonight since I decided that watching those right before going to bed was really not optimal.
I don't know what I think of it which is actually a good thing.
I really adore the fact that David Lynch cares not a whit for making his view accessible. I also maintain that, in his mind, he's telling a simple, straight forward story and what's with all you people who don't get it.
Also, how crap does Kyle McLaughlin look like Bander. *victory arms all over the place*
I have always liked Matthew Lillard though it was shocking to see him playing a slightly pudgy, definitely middle aged guy. I was all holy crap that IS Matthew Lillard.
I am very interested to see where it's going. One thing though, those people who got eated by the smoke monster? COME ON PEOPLE. Have you never seen a horror movie ever? Oh I'm doing this weird thing for the reclusive billionaire and the security guy has gone oddly missing. Let's have sex in front of the creepy glass box. What could possibly go wrong?
I don't know what I think of it which is actually a good thing.
I really adore the fact that David Lynch cares not a whit for making his view accessible. I also maintain that, in his mind, he's telling a simple, straight forward story and what's with all you people who don't get it.
Also, how crap does Kyle McLaughlin look like Bander. *victory arms all over the place*
I have always liked Matthew Lillard though it was shocking to see him playing a slightly pudgy, definitely middle aged guy. I was all holy crap that IS Matthew Lillard.
I am very interested to see where it's going. One thing though, those people who got eated by the smoke monster? COME ON PEOPLE. Have you never seen a horror movie ever? Oh I'm doing this weird thing for the reclusive billionaire and the security guy has gone oddly missing. Let's have sex in front of the creepy glass box. What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 22, 2017 04:19 PM (mf5HN)
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Cause he's great.
He's "grate". I'll give you that.
Eraserhead is great stuff. The Elephant Man (produced by that Mel Brooks) is fantastic. Mulholland Drive is tripy and amazing. Inland Empire is really good. Even Dune has its moments despite being a complete mess.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 04:16 PM (viSzi)
Meh ... at best. They're all yours.
Different strokes for different folks.
He's "grate". I'll give you that.
Eraserhead is great stuff. The Elephant Man (produced by that Mel Brooks) is fantastic. Mulholland Drive is tripy and amazing. Inland Empire is really good. Even Dune has its moments despite being a complete mess.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 04:16 PM (viSzi)
Meh ... at best. They're all yours.
Different strokes for different folks.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 22, 2017 04:19 PM (zc3Db)
92
Posted by: Emmie at May 22, 2017 04:09 PM (ZapPq)
Yes it makes very good ice cream. My parents used to make a peach ice cream with goat milk that was amazing. Lactose issues are a big reason for choosing goat milk, but it can take a couple weeks to get used to th flavor.
Yes it makes very good ice cream. My parents used to make a peach ice cream with goat milk that was amazing. Lactose issues are a big reason for choosing goat milk, but it can take a couple weeks to get used to th flavor.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 22, 2017 04:19 PM (sEDyY)
93
>>>I bought the most recent release, including the so-called "Missing Pieces." If you haven't seen that, you might not be up on everything, and... I only know some of what it contains. I have to watch it all, the whole thing, all tv episodes, the movie, and the "missing pieces" before I tackle the new show.
Yes, I am a Twin Peaks junkie.
...
The Red Letter Media guys told me that Fire: Walk With Me (which I've never bothered to fully watch) has a lot of darkness and expanded mythology and said they hoped the new show would be a continuation of that movie, rather than the tv show.
I haven't seen the movie, but I asssume they got their wish, and that this is closer in tone to the darker, nastier "Fire: Walk With Me," and closer as far as going full-on with the far-out stuff.
Yes, I am a Twin Peaks junkie.
...
The Red Letter Media guys told me that Fire: Walk With Me (which I've never bothered to fully watch) has a lot of darkness and expanded mythology and said they hoped the new show would be a continuation of that movie, rather than the tv show.
I haven't seen the movie, but I asssume they got their wish, and that this is closer in tone to the darker, nastier "Fire: Walk With Me," and closer as far as going full-on with the far-out stuff.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:19 PM (8rNrN)
94
>>>>OT: Man dies after contracting botulism from Northern California gas station's nacho cheese
Things not to buy in gas stations:
Nachos
Sushi
Any food item sold from a gallon jar by the register
Any item sold from a machine in the men's room
Clothing items
Things not to buy in gas stations:
Nachos
Sushi
Any food item sold from a gallon jar by the register
Any item sold from a machine in the men's room
Clothing items
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at May 22, 2017 04:19 PM (JTTMp)
95
91 Cause he's great.
He's "grate". I'll give you that.
Eraserhead is great stuff. The Elephant Man (produced by that Mel Brooks) is fantastic. Mulholland Drive is tripy and amazing. Inland Empire is really good. Even Dune has its moments despite being a complete mess.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 04:16 PM (viSzi)
Meh ... at best. They're all yours.
Different strokes for different folks.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 22, 2017 04:19 PM (zc3Db)
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Your opinion is wrong.
He's "grate". I'll give you that.
Eraserhead is great stuff. The Elephant Man (produced by that Mel Brooks) is fantastic. Mulholland Drive is tripy and amazing. Inland Empire is really good. Even Dune has its moments despite being a complete mess.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 04:16 PM (viSzi)
Meh ... at best. They're all yours.
Different strokes for different folks.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 22, 2017 04:19 PM (zc3Db)
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Your opinion is wrong.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 04:20 PM (viSzi)
96
I would have rather watched two hours of those idiots in England rolling down the hill after the at big wheel of cheese.
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Did they catch the cheese wheel?
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Did they catch the cheese wheel?
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 04:20 PM (C52a9)
97
Hell, I was 4 paragraphs in before I realized this wasn't about elbows.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 22, 2017 04:20 PM (0tfLf)
98
Psych - now that was a great show, almost every episode was a classic.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2017 04:20 PM (d6ag0)
99
I haven't seen episode 3 and 4 but will watch tonight. Really, brain? You're going to do me like that?
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 22, 2017 04:20 PM (mf5HN)
100
Twin Peaks is like your High School sweetheart. 25 years later you remember her fondly and think of all her good qualities. Then you go to the reunion and remember that--oh yeah--she was bat-shit crazy and you really held on to that too long back then.
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at May 22, 2017 04:17 PM (HqpV0)
Nah, Lynch has always been bat-sh*t crazy, and the stuff he's made (before and after Twin Peaks) are of a plain that makes sense, in its insanity.
I love, for example, Mulholland Drive, even though it's completely messed up. Same with Lost Highway. Blue Velvet, in my opinion, is a masterpiece.
I would put Lynch's output up there with just about anybody's, and Twin Peaks still looks great. It's still insane, but it holds up quite well.
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at May 22, 2017 04:17 PM (HqpV0)
Nah, Lynch has always been bat-sh*t crazy, and the stuff he's made (before and after Twin Peaks) are of a plain that makes sense, in its insanity.
I love, for example, Mulholland Drive, even though it's completely messed up. Same with Lost Highway. Blue Velvet, in my opinion, is a masterpiece.
I would put Lynch's output up there with just about anybody's, and Twin Peaks still looks great. It's still insane, but it holds up quite well.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 22, 2017 04:21 PM (TOk1P)
101
Sort of related, I guess...
I hate when a show (usually tv show at this point, or sometimes a novel) withholds information from the viewer that the characters logically know or would be learning for no other reason than because the lazy writers clearly didn't bother to put enough effort into developing their world to come up with an answer.
I started watching The Magicians, and gave up for this reason (that and the wildly inconsistent tone). You've got a show where magic is real and hidden, and at least two characters that are audience stand-ins for people finding out about this new reality that they've been dumped in and the show does not explain the rules to the audience. The characters just go from completely in awe of this alternate world that always existed just beyond their fingertips to accepting that it was completely normal and the only way to live and we as the audience didn't get any of that explanation for how or why things work the way they do. The actual answer is obvious, the show writers themselves haven't actually thought how things work on a consistent level, and they clearly don't want to establish rules for the universe and then be constrained whenever they get around to the major plot points that they want to happen.
I hate when a show (usually tv show at this point, or sometimes a novel) withholds information from the viewer that the characters logically know or would be learning for no other reason than because the lazy writers clearly didn't bother to put enough effort into developing their world to come up with an answer.
I started watching The Magicians, and gave up for this reason (that and the wildly inconsistent tone). You've got a show where magic is real and hidden, and at least two characters that are audience stand-ins for people finding out about this new reality that they've been dumped in and the show does not explain the rules to the audience. The characters just go from completely in awe of this alternate world that always existed just beyond their fingertips to accepting that it was completely normal and the only way to live and we as the audience didn't get any of that explanation for how or why things work the way they do. The actual answer is obvious, the show writers themselves haven't actually thought how things work on a consistent level, and they clearly don't want to establish rules for the universe and then be constrained whenever they get around to the major plot points that they want to happen.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 22, 2017 04:21 PM (KUaJL)
102
>>>I have always liked Matthew Lillard though it was shocking to see him playing a slightly pudgy, definitely middle aged guy. I was all holy crap that IS Matthew Lillard.
yeah, aging sucks. Or so I'm told.
But Lillard really surprised me. Last time I saw him, he was playing Shaggy on Scooby Doo.
Really pretty good actor!
yeah, aging sucks. Or so I'm told.
But Lillard really surprised me. Last time I saw him, he was playing Shaggy on Scooby Doo.
Really pretty good actor!
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:21 PM (8rNrN)
103
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 22, 2017 04:16 PM (HTdUD)
It does look like she flicked his paw away. It's so funny that leftards are focusing on this action of hers because the Narrative was always that she was an abused Stepford Wife. So which one is it, loonies?
Maybe they have an S&M type marriage and they take turns being doms.
It does look like she flicked his paw away. It's so funny that leftards are focusing on this action of hers because the Narrative was always that she was an abused Stepford Wife. So which one is it, loonies?
Maybe they have an S&M type marriage and they take turns being doms.
Posted by: kallisto at May 22, 2017 04:22 PM (kD8Fh)
104
Polliwog, my grocery store is selling a type of milk called A2 which only has the A2 protein and supposedly is safe for lactose intolerant people.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at May 22, 2017 04:22 PM (FQKBL)
105
My wife is a big fan of Twin Peaks. Wasn't there a movie made quite a few years after the show ended. That I saw with her. At that point I thought I would leave her for being crazy, batshit, wouga-wouga. I don't think I will tell her about this...
Posted by: Paladin at May 22, 2017 04:22 PM (ycm4Q)
106
Count me as one that stopped watching after BoB was revealed. Which, BTW, was magnificent.
Posted by: MAGA at May 22, 2017 04:22 PM (LQ1Q3)
107
>>>Different strokes for different folks.
You know, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum.
What might be right for you may not be right for some.
You know, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum.
What might be right for you may not be right for some.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at May 22, 2017 04:22 PM (JTTMp)
108
I've only seen fifteen minutes of the original Twin Peaks, but I will say this about the first episode last night.
Some have said the acting was wooden, but it's definitely not.
It's off kilter in some strange, deliberate, borderline autistic sorta way, and most of the actors seem to bounce back and forth between genuine bemusement under Lynch's direction and trying not to burst out laughing in shame and self-awareness.
Some have said the acting was wooden, but it's definitely not.
It's off kilter in some strange, deliberate, borderline autistic sorta way, and most of the actors seem to bounce back and forth between genuine bemusement under Lynch's direction and trying not to burst out laughing in shame and self-awareness.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 22, 2017 04:23 PM (3Vlkn)
109
Sorry, Ace, the last David Lynch thing I ever saw was Eraserhead. Anything more recent than that feels like listening to Paul McCartney and Wings instead of the Beatles.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 04:23 PM (DQ4Fv)
110
I saw that they just green lighted another season of Arrested Development.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 22, 2017 04:23 PM (6Ll1u)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 22, 2017 04:24 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Emmie at May 22, 2017 04:24 PM (ZapPq)
113
"What else are you going to do with your time? Learn French? Put up shelves?"
Both! I exclusively order my shelves from France so that I can practice reading while putting them up, obviously.
Both! I exclusively order my shelves from France so that I can practice reading while putting them up, obviously.
Posted by: Lauren at May 22, 2017 04:24 PM (HSk4H)
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I've heard that title before, but I've never watched it. I didn't really like Eraserhead.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 22, 2017 04:25 PM (vRcUp)
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Your opinion is wrong.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 04:20 PM (viSzi)
Heh.
My opinion is accepted as unassailable proof (of anything) in 47 different gender studies journals.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 04:20 PM (viSzi)
Heh.
My opinion is accepted as unassailable proof (of anything) in 47 different gender studies journals.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 22, 2017 04:26 PM (zc3Db)
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>>>It's off kilter in some strange, deliberate, borderline autistic sorta way, and most of the actors seem to bounce back and forth between genuine bemusement under Lynch's direction and trying not to burst out laughing in shame and self-awareness.
yeah they do it on purpose.
There is a cameo, which I won't spoil, which I tried to show someone else, which is so absurdly stupid the cameo actor delivering these horrible lines in this horrible way can be seen attempting not to laugh as he delivers them.
The person I showed this scene to said "What the hell is this?! This is the worst thing I've ever seen!"
And I know this is a bad excuse for most things, and I usually hate this explanation myself, but I said it anyway: "They're doing it ON PURPOSE. See? Funny!"
Usually I don't buy into that it's-great-because-it's-terrible thing but this one cameo made me LOL.
yeah they do it on purpose.
There is a cameo, which I won't spoil, which I tried to show someone else, which is so absurdly stupid the cameo actor delivering these horrible lines in this horrible way can be seen attempting not to laugh as he delivers them.
The person I showed this scene to said "What the hell is this?! This is the worst thing I've ever seen!"
And I know this is a bad excuse for most things, and I usually hate this explanation myself, but I said it anyway: "They're doing it ON PURPOSE. See? Funny!"
Usually I don't buy into that it's-great-because-it's-terrible thing but this one cameo made me LOL.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:26 PM (8rNrN)
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I bought the most recent release, including the so-called "Missing Pieces." If you haven't seen that, you might not be up on everything, and... I only know some of what it contains. I have to watch it all, the whole thing, all tv episodes, the movie, and the "missing pieces" before I tackle the new show.
Yes, I am a Twin Peaks junkie.
...
The Red Letter Media guys told me that Fire: Walk With Me (which I've never bothered to fully watch) has a lot of darkness and expanded mythology and said they hoped the new show would be a continuation of that movie, rather than the tv show.
I haven't seen the movie, but I asssume they got their wish, and that this is closer in tone to the darker, nastier "Fire: Walk With Me," and closer as far as going full-on with the far-out stuff.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:19 PM (8rNrN)
The movie is a solid punch in the gut, that's for sure. I watched the RLM boys on this, and they convinced me to finally spring for the Missing Pieces part (which can only be bought with the whole package).
Yes, I am a Twin Peaks junkie.
...
The Red Letter Media guys told me that Fire: Walk With Me (which I've never bothered to fully watch) has a lot of darkness and expanded mythology and said they hoped the new show would be a continuation of that movie, rather than the tv show.
I haven't seen the movie, but I asssume they got their wish, and that this is closer in tone to the darker, nastier "Fire: Walk With Me," and closer as far as going full-on with the far-out stuff.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:19 PM (8rNrN)
The movie is a solid punch in the gut, that's for sure. I watched the RLM boys on this, and they convinced me to finally spring for the Missing Pieces part (which can only be bought with the whole package).
Posted by: BurtTC at May 22, 2017 04:26 PM (TOk1P)
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The Red Letter Media guys told me that Fire: Walk With Me (which I've never bothered to fully watch) has a lot of darkness and expanded mythology and said they hoped the new show would be a continuation of that movie, rather than the tv show.
I haven't seen the movie, but I asssume they got their wish, and that this is closer in tone to the darker, nastier "Fire: Walk With Me," and closer as far as going full-on with the far-out stuff.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:19 PM (8rNrN)
Fire Walk With Me is very very dark and oh it's a mess, it's such an utter mess of a movie but the very end of it, when Laura Palmer finally receives some tiny, tiny, tiny measure of peace makes me sob ugly on the floor every time. Every single time.
Twin Peaks is ultimately about the war with evil and the persistence of evil and how even the most Lawful Good will be forced to sacrifice to try to stop evil which cannot and will not be stopped. But the fight against also never stops.
I haven't seen the movie, but I asssume they got their wish, and that this is closer in tone to the darker, nastier "Fire: Walk With Me," and closer as far as going full-on with the far-out stuff.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:19 PM (8rNrN)
Fire Walk With Me is very very dark and oh it's a mess, it's such an utter mess of a movie but the very end of it, when Laura Palmer finally receives some tiny, tiny, tiny measure of peace makes me sob ugly on the floor every time. Every single time.
Twin Peaks is ultimately about the war with evil and the persistence of evil and how even the most Lawful Good will be forced to sacrifice to try to stop evil which cannot and will not be stopped. But the fight against also never stops.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 22, 2017 04:26 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: MAGA at May 22, 2017 04:26 PM (LQ1Q3)
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>>"What else are you going to do with your time? Learn French? Put up shelves?"
Guess who put up some shelves this weekend? This guy.
They are real, level and spectacular.
Guess who put up some shelves this weekend? This guy.
They are real, level and spectacular.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 22, 2017 04:26 PM (/tuJf)
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This thread should be labeled : 'Twin Peaks with Cheese Subtext and a Hint of Botulism'
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 04:26 PM (C52a9)
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I have always liked Matthew Lillard though it was shocking to see him playing a slightly pudgy, definitely middle aged guy. I was all holy crap that IS Matthew Lillard.
He really was great in SLC Punk.
He really was great in SLC Punk.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 22, 2017 04:27 PM (zc3Db)
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"98 Psych - now that was a great show, almost every episode was a classic. "
Psych is a love letter to a generation.
Psych is a love letter to a generation.
Posted by: Lauren at May 22, 2017 04:27 PM (HSk4H)
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 04:27 PM (CPYQe)
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Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 22, 2017 04:21 PM (KUaJL)
Don't get me started on the Magicians. That show had an INCREDIBLE amount of potential across the board and some truly great moments.
But between the sloppy writing, unabashed liberal BS, and horrid, horrid tone that was either wildly inconsistent or utterly, utterly dark and depressing, I had to stop watching.
But man, what could have been.
Don't get me started on the Magicians. That show had an INCREDIBLE amount of potential across the board and some truly great moments.
But between the sloppy writing, unabashed liberal BS, and horrid, horrid tone that was either wildly inconsistent or utterly, utterly dark and depressing, I had to stop watching.
But man, what could have been.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 22, 2017 04:27 PM (72PAC)
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Aaannnnnddddd the troll shows up at the end of the last thread.
Prolly a David Lynch character come to life.
Prolly a David Lynch character come to life.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at May 22, 2017 04:27 PM (X+nFp)
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The person I showed this scene to said "What the hell is this?! This is the worst thing I've ever seen!"
Amy Schumer!
Amy Schumer!
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 04:27 PM (utT6Q)
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However, I have watched a lot of psych. Can we also talk psych? Because apparently they're trying to reboot that too.
Posted by: Lauren at May 22, 2017 04:14 PM (UZTa9)
If i wake up at 0100, ill watch -
This makes me mad because 'Psych' reminds me of Monk, and Monk doesn't come on around here on antenna TV anymore.
Everyone I know is watching Monk reruns, and I cant!, dammit! Probably my favorite TV show of all time.
However, I have watched a lot of psych. Can we also talk psych? Because apparently they're trying to reboot that too.
Posted by: Lauren at May 22, 2017 04:14 PM (UZTa9)
If i wake up at 0100, ill watch -
This makes me mad because 'Psych' reminds me of Monk, and Monk doesn't come on around here on antenna TV anymore.
Everyone I know is watching Monk reruns, and I cant!, dammit! Probably my favorite TV show of all time.
Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 22, 2017 04:27 PM (GURcy)
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Well it should be obvious why he can so all that Astral Plane travel and stuff.
Because he IS the Kwisatz Haderach!!!
Because he IS the Kwisatz Haderach!!!
Posted by: Shadout Mapes at May 22, 2017 04:27 PM (d6ag0)
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at May 22, 2017 04:28 PM (jjaLl)
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"Conceptual Penis vs. The Return of Twin Peaks. A Clinical Analysis."
Posted by: Cogent Social Sciences at May 22, 2017 04:28 PM (qJhUV)
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>>>Sorry, Ace, the last David Lynch thing I ever saw was Eraserhead. Anything more recent than that feels like listening to Paul McCartney and Wings instead of the Beatles.
I think I've seen two David Lynch movies in full (Blue Velvet, Wild at Heart) and did not get it at all. Tried to watch Lost Highway, got bored.
I don't like David Lynch and the "Lynchian" humor in Twin Peaks I don't generally like.
But the character Dale Cooper (and several others) were just great, and the basic premise was basically the X-Files three years before the X-Files.
The X-Files was a direct descendant of Twin Peaks, inspired by it.
I think I've seen two David Lynch movies in full (Blue Velvet, Wild at Heart) and did not get it at all. Tried to watch Lost Highway, got bored.
I don't like David Lynch and the "Lynchian" humor in Twin Peaks I don't generally like.
But the character Dale Cooper (and several others) were just great, and the basic premise was basically the X-Files three years before the X-Files.
The X-Files was a direct descendant of Twin Peaks, inspired by it.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:28 PM (8rNrN)
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>>>However, I have watched a lot of psych. Can we also talk psych? Because apparently they're trying to reboot that too.
They're doing a Christmas reunion movie for sure, I heard. That might be a backdoor reboot attempt.
They're doing a Christmas reunion movie for sure, I heard. That might be a backdoor reboot attempt.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:29 PM (8rNrN)
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It interesting comparing David Lynch to Ridley Scott.
Scott's had bigger hits that have higher acclaim and he does have a good grasp on themes, including spiritual ones, that most directors don't even try for.
But Scott's visions have been compromised, time and again. Bad writing or, yes, bad direction have undercut his themes and the stunning visual art he is still capable of.
Lynch's work is more more personal. As was said above, it's HIS vision, if you dont' get it, you don't get it. He makes movies for himself and honestly, that's the only way to make art.
I don't like all of Lynch's work but despite his struggles with studios and his own sloppy scripts, there's an authenticity in his work. I mean, I don't think he's just putting in stupid shit for no reason. It might just be for his own amusement, but it does that at least.
And, of the two, I think maybe Lynch has aged better...
Scott's had bigger hits that have higher acclaim and he does have a good grasp on themes, including spiritual ones, that most directors don't even try for.
But Scott's visions have been compromised, time and again. Bad writing or, yes, bad direction have undercut his themes and the stunning visual art he is still capable of.
Lynch's work is more more personal. As was said above, it's HIS vision, if you dont' get it, you don't get it. He makes movies for himself and honestly, that's the only way to make art.
I don't like all of Lynch's work but despite his struggles with studios and his own sloppy scripts, there's an authenticity in his work. I mean, I don't think he's just putting in stupid shit for no reason. It might just be for his own amusement, but it does that at least.
And, of the two, I think maybe Lynch has aged better...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 04:29 PM (3OIiX)
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I love the scene in Twin Peaks where Dale Cooper gets up from a nightmare/dream to make a note and he had bed head. THAT, my friends, it what makes Twin Peaks works.
Posted by: MAGA at May 22, 2017 04:31 PM (LQ1Q3)
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The X-Files was a direct descendant of Twin Peaks, inspired by it.
Posted by: ace
________
David Duchovny actually tried out for the part of Agent Cooper and was turned down.
Instead he got that crazy transvestite FBI agent role.
Posted by: ace
________
David Duchovny actually tried out for the part of Agent Cooper and was turned down.
Instead he got that crazy transvestite FBI agent role.
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 04:31 PM (zu/Gn)
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 04:31 PM (C52a9)
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No, never watched it. I'm might start though. Is it about boobies?
Posted by: Strobe at May 22, 2017 04:31 PM (gbWkA)
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>>>Lynch's work is more more personal. As was said above, it's HIS vision, if you dont' get it, you don't get it. He makes movies for himself and honestly, that's the only way to make art.
maybe, but seriously, if the script was written to just bring people along a bit slowly for the ride (at least through the first four episodes, which is no big deal, they shot 18 episodes!), I think it would accessible to 100x more people.
As it is now, it reminds me of Shawn telling Gus that no one understands his "Blacula" vampire costume, "Because the only people who even know who Blacula is are us, and Quentin Tarantino."
maybe, but seriously, if the script was written to just bring people along a bit slowly for the ride (at least through the first four episodes, which is no big deal, they shot 18 episodes!), I think it would accessible to 100x more people.
As it is now, it reminds me of Shawn telling Gus that no one understands his "Blacula" vampire costume, "Because the only people who even know who Blacula is are us, and Quentin Tarantino."
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:32 PM (8rNrN)
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Backdoor Reboot would be a great band name........
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at May 22, 2017 04:32 PM (jjaLl)
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I have insomnia and watch Psych on ION at 1-3 am, I thought that the early episodes were genius. But now they are into the later episodes and find myself turning it off because they have gone off the rails.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 22, 2017 04:32 PM (6Ll1u)
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Twin Peaks came out during my college fraternity days, so I never saw a minute of it. Not that I would even remember it if I did...
Posted by: MacGruber at May 22, 2017 04:32 PM (sgrzZ)
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Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at May 22, 2017 04:22 PM (FQKBL)
That's one I'm not familiar with. John found that eating a serving of yogurt every day helped a lot with lactose issues. He had gotten to the point where even ice cream made him sick and eating the yogurt daily made it possible to eat reasonable amounts of other milk products again.
That's one I'm not familiar with. John found that eating a serving of yogurt every day helped a lot with lactose issues. He had gotten to the point where even ice cream made him sick and eating the yogurt daily made it possible to eat reasonable amounts of other milk products again.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 22, 2017 04:32 PM (sEDyY)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 22, 2017 04:32 PM (nlbfN)
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I think I've seen two David Lynch movies in full (Blue Velvet, Wild at
Heart) and did not get it at all. Tried to watch Lost Highway, got
bored.
However, high marks for the lezbo scene in Mulholland Drive. My choice as his finest work. The lezbo scene, not the movie.
Heart) and did not get it at all. Tried to watch Lost Highway, got
bored.
However, high marks for the lezbo scene in Mulholland Drive. My choice as his finest work. The lezbo scene, not the movie.
Posted by: tu3031 at May 22, 2017 04:33 PM (qJhUV)
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Don't get me started on the Magicians. That show had an INCREDIBLE amount of potential across the board and some truly great moments.
But between the sloppy writing, unabashed liberal BS, and horrid, horrid tone that was either wildly inconsistent or utterly, utterly dark and depressing, I had to stop watching.
But man, what could have been.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 22, 2017 04:27 PM (72PAC)
Yeah, I made it like... 3? episodes into season 2 before calling it quits. Yeah, let's split the tone between slapstick comedy and GRRM meets Law and Order SVU. That seems like a good idea. Also, none of the characters acted like real people. Any of them, in any context. Not a single character made a decision in any of the episodes that I watched where I could say "somebody I know would have done or said that."
But between the sloppy writing, unabashed liberal BS, and horrid, horrid tone that was either wildly inconsistent or utterly, utterly dark and depressing, I had to stop watching.
But man, what could have been.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 22, 2017 04:27 PM (72PAC)
Yeah, I made it like... 3? episodes into season 2 before calling it quits. Yeah, let's split the tone between slapstick comedy and GRRM meets Law and Order SVU. That seems like a good idea. Also, none of the characters acted like real people. Any of them, in any context. Not a single character made a decision in any of the episodes that I watched where I could say "somebody I know would have done or said that."
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 22, 2017 04:33 PM (KUaJL)
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I remember hanging on every episode, just like Lost. Both went round in circles ending nowhere.
Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2017 04:33 PM (Ot7+c)
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Do it for Van Gogh.
Posted by: Frank Booth in Blue Velvet at May 22, 2017 04:34 PM (Fw5cQ)
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It's off kilter in some strange, deliberate, borderline autistic sorta way, and most of the actors seem to bounce back and forth between genuine bemusement under Lynch's direction and trying not to burst out laughing in shame and self-awareness.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 22, 2017 04:23 PM (3Vlkn)
It's part of the Uncanny Valley of the rules of the Twin Peaks world. It's that there's something off about everything. It's not quite human. It's almost there but there's just enough wrong to create an instinctive flight response. These people aren't right, this world isn't right. There's something poisonous seeping through.
Take Boy What Got Eated With Tracey. That whole interaction is supposed to be kind of rom comy girl pursuing boy but the interactions are just enough off (the repetition of calling Tracey by her name, the very stiff body language) to let you know instantly that there's something wrong there.
It's like all of Lynch's work, the veil is pulled back on the deeply weird that is lurking right there under the surface.
I want to know why psychologist boy needed boxes of shovels.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 22, 2017 04:23 PM (3Vlkn)
It's part of the Uncanny Valley of the rules of the Twin Peaks world. It's that there's something off about everything. It's not quite human. It's almost there but there's just enough wrong to create an instinctive flight response. These people aren't right, this world isn't right. There's something poisonous seeping through.
Take Boy What Got Eated With Tracey. That whole interaction is supposed to be kind of rom comy girl pursuing boy but the interactions are just enough off (the repetition of calling Tracey by her name, the very stiff body language) to let you know instantly that there's something wrong there.
It's like all of Lynch's work, the veil is pulled back on the deeply weird that is lurking right there under the surface.
I want to know why psychologist boy needed boxes of shovels.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 22, 2017 04:34 PM (mf5HN)
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>>>141 I have insomnia and watch Psych on ION at 1-3 am, I thought that the early episodes were genius. But now they are into the later episodes and find myself turning it off because they have gone off the rails.
uhhhh... disagree. Last two seasons have fewer good episodes than eariler ones, but there are some truly great episodes, and some of the humor is best of the series.
Some great catchphrases were late developments: "Come on, son" and "Proud of you."
I think quality was going down (especially season
but it was still good. I don't think it ever got mediocre. Just a bit less good towards the end.
uhhhh... disagree. Last two seasons have fewer good episodes than eariler ones, but there are some truly great episodes, and some of the humor is best of the series.
Some great catchphrases were late developments: "Come on, son" and "Proud of you."
I think quality was going down (especially season
but it was still good. I don't think it ever got mediocre. Just a bit less good towards the end.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:34 PM (8rNrN)
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>>147
I remember hanging on every episode, just like Lost. Both went round in circles ending nowhere.Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2017 04:33 PM (Ot7+c)<<
I swear Lost was about purgatory but then they changed it around once the fans figured it out so quickly.
I remember hanging on every episode, just like Lost. Both went round in circles ending nowhere.Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2017 04:33 PM (Ot7+c)<<
I swear Lost was about purgatory but then they changed it around once the fans figured it out so quickly.
Posted by: MacGruber at May 22, 2017 04:34 PM (sgrzZ)
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Lynch's work is more more personal. As was said above, it's HIS vision, if you dont' get it, you don't get it. He makes movies for himself and honestly, that's the only way to make art.
maybe, but seriously, if the script was written to just bring people along a bit slowly for the ride (at least through the first four episodes, which is no big deal, they shot 18 episodes!), I think it would accessible to 100x more people.
As it is now, it reminds me of Shawn telling Gus that no one understands his "Blacula" vampire costume, "Because the only people who even know who Blacula is are us, and Quentin Tarantino."
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:32 PM (8rNrN)
Oh, I agree. Making your art more accessible to more people is a smart thing to do. But some people just can't bring themselves to do it. At least not with some characters or projects. Too personal, maybe.
Lynch can make accessible fare, The Straight Story is 'right down the middle' story telling. Wild at Heart is also pretty normal....by Lynch standards.
maybe, but seriously, if the script was written to just bring people along a bit slowly for the ride (at least through the first four episodes, which is no big deal, they shot 18 episodes!), I think it would accessible to 100x more people.
As it is now, it reminds me of Shawn telling Gus that no one understands his "Blacula" vampire costume, "Because the only people who even know who Blacula is are us, and Quentin Tarantino."
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:32 PM (8rNrN)
Oh, I agree. Making your art more accessible to more people is a smart thing to do. But some people just can't bring themselves to do it. At least not with some characters or projects. Too personal, maybe.
Lynch can make accessible fare, The Straight Story is 'right down the middle' story telling. Wild at Heart is also pretty normal....by Lynch standards.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 04:35 PM (3OIiX)
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"As it is now, it reminds me of Shawn telling Gus that no one understands
his "Blacula" vampire costume, "Because the only people who even know
who Blacula is are us, and Quentin Tarantino."
And lines like that are why I loved "Psych" so much - not only do I have "Blacula" on DVD, I've got "Scream, Blacula, Scream!!!" And I know Shawn did, too.
his "Blacula" vampire costume, "Because the only people who even know
who Blacula is are us, and Quentin Tarantino."
And lines like that are why I loved "Psych" so much - not only do I have "Blacula" on DVD, I've got "Scream, Blacula, Scream!!!" And I know Shawn did, too.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2017 04:36 PM (d6ag0)
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I wouldn't buy anything in a gas station convenience store that wasn't vacuum sealed like a bag of chips or a can of soda. And that's the major chains. I would NEVER buy anything hot and ready to eat from Achmed's Gas or Patel's Service Station. No way.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 22, 2017 04:36 PM (7uYFy)
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I'll say it again, David Lynch has incriminating photos of select television and movie executives.
Kevin Smith doubly so.
Kevin Smith doubly so.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 04:36 PM (CPYQe)
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123 "98 Psych - now that was a great show, almost every episode was a classic. "
Psych is a love letter to a generation.
Posted by: Lauren at May 22, 2017 04:27 PM (HSk4H)
I loved Psych. Great show.
Psych is a love letter to a generation.
Posted by: Lauren at May 22, 2017 04:27 PM (HSk4H)
I loved Psych. Great show.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 04:36 PM (Ri/rl)
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The first season ended with what I recall was some "it was all a dream" bullshit, and pissed me the hell off. Broke my Giveashitometer.
Posted by: Monty James at May 22, 2017 04:37 PM (gKOMX)
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Psych was on for 8 years? Damn.... maybe I'll check it out..... better knowing a show lasted than watching things like Hand of God on Amazon and finding out after watching all of season 2 that it's cancelled.....
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at May 22, 2017 04:37 PM (jjaLl)
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Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 22, 2017 04:33 PM (KUaJL)
Yep, exactly. 99% of character decisions made no sense.
I made it just about as far. LOVED the conclusion with the Beast and related ramifications, but damn it all the next was right back to super insanely depressing nonsensical schlock.
I think many weeks later I tried the next episode, got hit with liberal garbage .05 seconds in, and finally gave it up for good.
But thinking of the Beast conclusion makes me wish that show had become something better.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 22, 2017 04:33 PM (KUaJL)
Yep, exactly. 99% of character decisions made no sense.
I made it just about as far. LOVED the conclusion with the Beast and related ramifications, but damn it all the next was right back to super insanely depressing nonsensical schlock.
I think many weeks later I tried the next episode, got hit with liberal garbage .05 seconds in, and finally gave it up for good.
But thinking of the Beast conclusion makes me wish that show had become something better.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 22, 2017 04:37 PM (72PAC)
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Lynch can make accessible fare, The Straight Story is 'right down the middle' story telling. Wild at Heart is also pretty normal....by Lynch standards.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 04:35 PM (3OIiX)
I should have known things wouldn't work out with the Bastard Ex when we went to see Wild At Heart when we were dating and he made it maybe five minutes in and was all that's it we're out of here.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 04:35 PM (3OIiX)
I should have known things wouldn't work out with the Bastard Ex when we went to see Wild At Heart when we were dating and he made it maybe five minutes in and was all that's it we're out of here.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 22, 2017 04:38 PM (mf5HN)
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155 I'll say it again, David Lynch has incriminating photos of select television and movie executives.
Huh? Inside a voting booth pulling the lever for Donald Trump? Can't think of anything else those degenerates would be afraid of.
Huh? Inside a voting booth pulling the lever for Donald Trump? Can't think of anything else those degenerates would be afraid of.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at May 22, 2017 04:38 PM (kUmUV)
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It does look like she flicked his paw away. It's so funny that leftards are focusing on this action of hers because the Narrative was always that she was an abused Stepford Wife. So which one is it, loonies?
Posted by: kallisto
That would be exactly the kind of action I would expect from my own wife. His hand goes out, questioning, in an 'We're here at the reception line. Are you there? Okay?' kind of motion. Her brush off was just a 'No, I'm fine' kind of communication back. He wasn't looking to take her hand. Couples in sync with each other probably do this all the time without realizing it.
Posted by: kallisto
That would be exactly the kind of action I would expect from my own wife. His hand goes out, questioning, in an 'We're here at the reception line. Are you there? Okay?' kind of motion. Her brush off was just a 'No, I'm fine' kind of communication back. He wasn't looking to take her hand. Couples in sync with each other probably do this all the time without realizing it.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 22, 2017 04:38 PM (HTdUD)
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And don't ever buy boner supplements with name like Black Rhino or Max Stallion from a gas station either unless you want your junk to blow up before falling off....
Posted by: JoeF. at May 22, 2017 04:39 PM (7uYFy)
164
I should have known things wouldn't work out with the Bastard Ex when we went to see Wild At Heart when we were dating and he made it maybe five minutes in and was all that's it we're out of here.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 22, 2017 04:38 PM (mf5HN)
Back when Nicholas Cage could do Effortless Cool.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 22, 2017 04:38 PM (mf5HN)
Back when Nicholas Cage could do Effortless Cool.
Posted by: Frank Booth in Blue Velvet at May 22, 2017 04:39 PM (Fw5cQ)
165
"I don't think it ever got mediocre. Just a bit less good towards the end. "
The chemistry in the dpt changed when Chief Vick left, but I agree that it was still good and I still enjoyed it.
Only slightly, only slightly less than I used to.
(I'm sorry)
The chemistry in the dpt changed when Chief Vick left, but I agree that it was still good and I still enjoyed it.
Only slightly, only slightly less than I used to.
(I'm sorry)
Posted by: Lauren at May 22, 2017 04:39 PM (HSk4H)
166
Off Frank Booth sock.
Posted by: troyriser at May 22, 2017 04:39 PM (Fw5cQ)
167
I couldn't tell you one thing about the original but reading the thread head its like oh yeah.
Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2017 04:40 PM (Ot7+c)
168
I don't like David Lynch and the "Lynchian" humor in Twin Peaks I don't generally like.
But the character Dale Cooper (and several others) were just great, and the basic premise was basically the X-Files three years before the X-Files.
The X-Files was a direct descendant of Twin Peaks, inspired by it.
Posted by: ace
The problem, for me, with these supernatural/alternate-reality spooky fictional universes is that they only are enthralling while the mysteriousness remains mysterious. As soon as you "know" what is behind all the weirdness, then the whole concept sort of deflates.
I had the same problem with the entire H.P Lovecraft oeuvre. The first first shirt stories one reads are am-aaaaa-zing. But then, once one finds out about the whole Cthulhu mythos and the Elder Gods and all that, and discover that it's a whole universe already fully fleshed out, then it becomes "just another fictional setting," not something that envelopes your psyche.
So the same thing obtains for the whole "twin Peaks" phenomenon -- by the time I even heard of it, the "mystery" was known, so I was pre-disinterested.
Another good example: Watching Hitchcock's original 1960 "Psycho" is compelling because you do not yet know that Norman Bates is his mother. But by now, everyone knows. So when they released "Bated Motel" in TV recently, it seemed utterly pointless, because the mystery was already resolved before the show began.
But the character Dale Cooper (and several others) were just great, and the basic premise was basically the X-Files three years before the X-Files.
The X-Files was a direct descendant of Twin Peaks, inspired by it.
Posted by: ace
The problem, for me, with these supernatural/alternate-reality spooky fictional universes is that they only are enthralling while the mysteriousness remains mysterious. As soon as you "know" what is behind all the weirdness, then the whole concept sort of deflates.
I had the same problem with the entire H.P Lovecraft oeuvre. The first first shirt stories one reads are am-aaaaa-zing. But then, once one finds out about the whole Cthulhu mythos and the Elder Gods and all that, and discover that it's a whole universe already fully fleshed out, then it becomes "just another fictional setting," not something that envelopes your psyche.
So the same thing obtains for the whole "twin Peaks" phenomenon -- by the time I even heard of it, the "mystery" was known, so I was pre-disinterested.
Another good example: Watching Hitchcock's original 1960 "Psycho" is compelling because you do not yet know that Norman Bates is his mother. But by now, everyone knows. So when they released "Bated Motel" in TV recently, it seemed utterly pointless, because the mystery was already resolved before the show began.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 04:40 PM (DQ4Fv)
169
141 I have insomnia and watch Psych on ION at 1-3 am, I thought that the early episodes were genius. But now they are into the later episodes and find myself turning it off because they have gone off the rails.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 22, 2017 04:32 PM (6Ll1u)
That's exactly how I started watching it. It's a fun show.
And I realized that Corbin Bernson is actually pretty cool, not the jerkoff he was on LA Law.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 22, 2017 04:32 PM (6Ll1u)
That's exactly how I started watching it. It's a fun show.
And I realized that Corbin Bernson is actually pretty cool, not the jerkoff he was on LA Law.
Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 22, 2017 04:41 PM (GURcy)
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@alexthechick
I always said I would never marry anyone who didn't love Edward Scissorhands.
Feel free to laugh.
Instead I married someone...who doesn't like to watch movies at all...
FML.
Hobbies matter, pick someone who loves what you love folks.
I always said I would never marry anyone who didn't love Edward Scissorhands.
Feel free to laugh.
Instead I married someone...who doesn't like to watch movies at all...
FML.
Hobbies matter, pick someone who loves what you love folks.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 04:41 PM (3OIiX)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 22, 2017 04:41 PM (493sH)
172
I remember all the noise this series generated in 1990 and how it came and went like a passing storm. And I never could understand for the life of me how some people so deeply obsessed over what is, in truth, a failed series.
And I still don't get what the fuss is all about so I will continue to pass.
And I still don't get what the fuss is all about so I will continue to pass.
Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at May 22, 2017 04:42 PM (ocGQU)
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It does look like she flicked his paw away. It's so funny that leftards are focusing on this action of hers because the Narrative was always that she was an abused Stepford Wife. So which one is it, loonies?
Posted by: kallisto
I doesn't look like she slapped his hands away. There's like a skip in the video that makes it look more like he was reaching out to make sure she was there and she let him know she was. It's much ado about less than nothing and liberals are stupid for trying to make more of it than it is--especially with Bill and Hill and Obama and Linebacker's loveless political marriages...
Posted by: kallisto
I doesn't look like she slapped his hands away. There's like a skip in the video that makes it look more like he was reaching out to make sure she was there and she let him know she was. It's much ado about less than nothing and liberals are stupid for trying to make more of it than it is--especially with Bill and Hill and Obama and Linebacker's loveless political marriages...
Posted by: JoeF. at May 22, 2017 04:42 PM (7uYFy)
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Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 04:40 PM (DQ4Fv)
That picture of zombie you get when you click on the link? Another noob test, right?
That picture of zombie you get when you click on the link? Another noob test, right?
Posted by: Monty James at May 22, 2017 04:42 PM (gKOMX)
175
It's interesting comparing Paul McCartney to Yoko Ono.
McCartney's had bigger hits that have higher acclaim and he does have a
good grasp on themes, including spiritual ones, that most directors
don't even try for.
But McCartney's visions have been compromised, time and again. Bad
writing or, yes, bad direction have undercut his themes and the stunning musical art he is still capable of.
Yoko's work is more more personal. As was said above, it's HER
vision, if you dont' get it, you don't get it. She makes music for
herself and honestly, that's the only way to make art.
I don't like all of Yoko's work but despite her struggles with
studios and her own sloppy compositions, there's an authenticity in her work.
I mean, I don't think she's just putting in stupid shit for no reason.
It might just be for her own amusement, but it does that at least.
And, of the two, I think maybe - oh wait I just can't go on.
McCartney's had bigger hits that have higher acclaim and he does have a
good grasp on themes, including spiritual ones, that most directors
don't even try for.
But McCartney's visions have been compromised, time and again. Bad
writing or, yes, bad direction have undercut his themes and the stunning musical art he is still capable of.
Yoko's work is more more personal. As was said above, it's HER
vision, if you dont' get it, you don't get it. She makes music for
herself and honestly, that's the only way to make art.
I don't like all of Yoko's work but despite her struggles with
studios and her own sloppy compositions, there's an authenticity in her work.
I mean, I don't think she's just putting in stupid shit for no reason.
It might just be for her own amusement, but it does that at least.
And, of the two, I think maybe - oh wait I just can't go on.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2017 04:42 PM (d6ag0)
176
"Bated Motel" in TV = "Bates Motel" on TV
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 04:42 PM (DQ4Fv)
177
Anyone else watch the season finale of Supernatural? I don't know if I'm going to watch season 13. The show's writing has gotten really awful.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 22, 2017 04:43 PM (0xNLz)
178
Another good example: Watching Hitchcock's original 1960 "Psycho" is compelling because you do not yet know that Norman Bates is his mother. But by now, everyone knows. So when they released "Bated Motel" in TV recently, it seemed utterly pointless, because the mystery was already resolved before the show began.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 04:40 PM (DQ4Fv)
Or, how it's basically guaranteed that the second season of Stranger Things is going to be worse than the first.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 04:40 PM (DQ4Fv)
Or, how it's basically guaranteed that the second season of Stranger Things is going to be worse than the first.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 22, 2017 04:43 PM (KUaJL)
179
Times are tough out here. Just saw a Papa John's delivery guy driving a 525i Beamer.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 04:43 PM (utT6Q)
180
Also, how crap does Kyle McLaughlin look like Bander. *victory arms all over the place*
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 22, 2017 04:19 PM (mf5HN)
I assume that's "holy crap".
Back in the original Twin Peaks bubble I looked more or less exactly like Kyle Maclachlan and went to a Halloween party just wearing a suit and carrying a pocket recorder and everyone knew I was Agent Cooper.
I thought our looks had diverged over the years and it was just a thing that we used to look alike. I was mistaken. He has aged exactly as I have.
He has a Doppelgaenger in the show, I had two on the screen. (call one a Dreifachgaenger). It was unnerving.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 22, 2017 04:19 PM (mf5HN)
I assume that's "holy crap".
Back in the original Twin Peaks bubble I looked more or less exactly like Kyle Maclachlan and went to a Halloween party just wearing a suit and carrying a pocket recorder and everyone knew I was Agent Cooper.
I thought our looks had diverged over the years and it was just a thing that we used to look alike. I was mistaken. He has aged exactly as I have.
He has a Doppelgaenger in the show, I had two on the screen. (call one a Dreifachgaenger). It was unnerving.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 22, 2017 04:44 PM (gIRsn)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 04:44 PM (3OIiX)
182
The genius of Lynch is in creating these very normal, almost 1950-ish worlds then showing something very warped that is hidden. Second season of the show disappointed me, so I guess I need to rewatch it.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 22, 2017 04:44 PM (Lqy/e)
183
But they literally killed the series without tying up anything.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 04:18 PM (CPYQe)
==============
You and me both.
Posted by: Deadwood at May 22, 2017 04:18 PM (viSzi)
Cliffhanger ending after two lame seasons of complete crap, decorated solely by Kari Wuhrer's boobs, with no resolution of any original story arcs.
But they literally killed the series without tying up anything.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 04:18 PM (CPYQe)
==============
You and me both.
Posted by: Deadwood at May 22, 2017 04:18 PM (viSzi)
Cliffhanger ending after two lame seasons of complete crap, decorated solely by Kari Wuhrer's boobs, with no resolution of any original story arcs.
Posted by: Sliders at May 22, 2017 04:44 PM (7utzD)
184
Porn name of Psycho--MasterBate's Motel
Posted by: JoeF. at May 22, 2017 04:44 PM (7uYFy)
185
The X-Files was a direct descendant of Twin Peaks, inspired by it.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:28 PM (8rNrN)
My husband didn't care for Twin Peaks but he liked X-Files.
My son used the same phrase wondering why my husband liked one and not the other.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:28 PM (8rNrN)
My husband didn't care for Twin Peaks but he liked X-Files.
My son used the same phrase wondering why my husband liked one and not the other.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 04:45 PM (Ri/rl)
186
*victory arms all over the place*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euV1HmGm22s
^
That's the image you convey.
*victory arms all over the place*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euV1HmGm22s
^
That's the image you convey.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 22, 2017 04:45 PM (Ao3oZ)
187
>>> I remember all the noise this series generated in 1990 and how it came and went like a passing storm. And I never could understand for the life of me how some people so deeply obsessed over what is, in truth, a failed series.
Well that's the thing I think will be lacking this time around: It was a phenomenon, and part of what attracts people to a phenomenon is that other people are talking about the phenomenon.
I joined Twin Peaks in like episode 4 only because people wouldn't shut up about it and were throwing Twin Peaks parties.
I was getting at that when I said this "Return" series will not duplicate the *experience* of the original, because part of the experience of the original was that it was a phenomenon that you watched just because everyone else was and it therefore had a social function outside of the show itself.
The show seems almost designed to refuse that, and only appeal to the hardcore audience that has been lobbying for a new show for 25 years.
Which I think is a mistake -- because, written with the new viewer in mind, this could have been much bigger.
Well that's the thing I think will be lacking this time around: It was a phenomenon, and part of what attracts people to a phenomenon is that other people are talking about the phenomenon.
I joined Twin Peaks in like episode 4 only because people wouldn't shut up about it and were throwing Twin Peaks parties.
I was getting at that when I said this "Return" series will not duplicate the *experience* of the original, because part of the experience of the original was that it was a phenomenon that you watched just because everyone else was and it therefore had a social function outside of the show itself.
The show seems almost designed to refuse that, and only appeal to the hardcore audience that has been lobbying for a new show for 25 years.
Which I think is a mistake -- because, written with the new viewer in mind, this could have been much bigger.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:45 PM (8rNrN)
188
Times are tough out here. Just saw a Papa John's delivery guy driving a 525i Beamer.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 04:43 PM (utT6Q)
hm, owns the franchise ?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 04:43 PM (utT6Q)
hm, owns the franchise ?
Posted by: runner at May 22, 2017 04:45 PM (c6/9Q)
189
In my defense, we were talking Alien: Covenant at lunch. And thinking about Lynch and Scott made me muse over how their careers have diverged.
I also take movies too seriously.
I also take movies too seriously.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 04:46 PM (3OIiX)
190
Only slightly, only slightly less than I used to.
(I'm sorry)
Posted by: Lauren at May 22, 2017 04:39 PM (HSk4H)
Are you going to make me read that stupid dino-porn story? That's twice I've seen that reference in a fairly short time.
(I'm sorry)
Posted by: Lauren at May 22, 2017 04:39 PM (HSk4H)
Are you going to make me read that stupid dino-porn story? That's twice I've seen that reference in a fairly short time.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 22, 2017 04:46 PM (sEDyY)
191
He has a Doppelgaenger in the show, I had two on the screen. (call one a Dreifachgaenger). It was unnerving.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 22, 2017 04:44 PM (gIRsn)
Some say unnerving, others say awesome, it's a matter of perspective really.
*victory arms moar*
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 22, 2017 04:44 PM (gIRsn)
Some say unnerving, others say awesome, it's a matter of perspective really.
*victory arms moar*
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 22, 2017 04:46 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 04:47 PM (utT6Q)
Posted by: RoyalOil at May 22, 2017 04:48 PM (ZQpd0)
194
hm, owns the franchise ?
Posted by: runner at May 22, 2017 04:45 PM (c6/9Q)
________
... and a liberal arts degree.
Posted by: runner at May 22, 2017 04:45 PM (c6/9Q)
________
... and a liberal arts degree.
Posted by: IP at May 22, 2017 04:48 PM (UmSfZ)
195
>>189
In my defense, we were talking Alien: Covenant at lunch. And thinking
about Lynch and Scott made me muse over how their careers have diverged. I also take movies too seriously.Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 04:46 PM (3OIiX)<<
Did you see Alien: Covenant? If so, is it worth seeing?
In my defense, we were talking Alien: Covenant at lunch. And thinking
about Lynch and Scott made me muse over how their careers have diverged. I also take movies too seriously.Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 04:46 PM (3OIiX)<<
Did you see Alien: Covenant? If so, is it worth seeing?
Posted by: MacGruber at May 22, 2017 04:48 PM (sgrzZ)
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"I joined Twin Peaks in like episode 4 only because people wouldn't shut up about it and were throwing Twin Peaks parties. "
You were quite the precocious 3 year old.
You were quite the precocious 3 year old.
Posted by: Lauren at May 22, 2017 04:48 PM (HSk4H)
197
Well that's the thing I think will be lacking this time around: It was a phenomenon, and part of what attracts people to a phenomenon is that other people are talking about the phenomenon.
__________
I miss that part of culture.
I think it was "healthy" when we had shows like this that we all shared in common.
The last show I can think of like that was maybe Seinfeld.
__________
I miss that part of culture.
I think it was "healthy" when we had shows like this that we all shared in common.
The last show I can think of like that was maybe Seinfeld.
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 04:49 PM (zu/Gn)
198
I quit watching Twin Peaks sometime in season 2, before the end.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at May 22, 2017 04:49 PM (hMwEB)
199
My wife watched all of the original. I lost interest, and paid attention only when Sherilynn Fenn was on screen.
Posted by: George LeS at May 22, 2017 04:49 PM (+TcCF)
200
@MacGruber
It's not a great movie, but it's ok.
It has Fassbender. He really is the only reason to see it.
I didn't like mopey-girl (she's the one in all the poster art) and there's a lot of dumb, dumb decisions.
It's almost more of a slasher movie than a sci fi movie.
It's not a great movie, but it's ok.
It has Fassbender. He really is the only reason to see it.
I didn't like mopey-girl (she's the one in all the poster art) and there's a lot of dumb, dumb decisions.
It's almost more of a slasher movie than a sci fi movie.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 04:49 PM (3OIiX)
201
I liked Wayword Pines too, but the second season wasn't as good as the first, mostly because the mystery was revealed.
Posted by: Lauren at May 22, 2017 04:50 PM (HSk4H)
202
The X-Files was a direct descendant of Twin Peaks, inspired by it.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:28 PM (8rNrN)
I thought X-Files was inspired by Kolchak: The Night Stalker
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:28 PM (8rNrN)
I thought X-Files was inspired by Kolchak: The Night Stalker
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 22, 2017 04:50 PM (493sH)
203
Did you see Alien: Covenant? If so, is it worth seeing?
Posted by: MacGruber at May 22, 2017 04:48 PM (sgrzZ)
I've not heard good things.
Posted by: MacGruber at May 22, 2017 04:48 PM (sgrzZ)
I've not heard good things.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 22, 2017 04:50 PM (KUaJL)
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199 My wife watched all of the original. I lost interest, and paid attention only when Sherilynn Fenn was on screen.
Posted by: George LeS at May 22, 2017 04:49 PM (+TcCF)
That's Audrey? She is so pretty.
Posted by: George LeS at May 22, 2017 04:49 PM (+TcCF)
That's Audrey? She is so pretty.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 04:50 PM (Ri/rl)
205
Can't say I've seen a single scene of TP. Likely it will stay that way.
Posted by: IP at May 22, 2017 04:50 PM (UmSfZ)
206
A "failed series?" Really?
I th8nk it's cherished.
Another that I've never seen one minute of, but is loved by everyone out there - Firefly.
I think I need to check that out.
I really need to get a dvd player & a set of discs...
I th8nk it's cherished.
Another that I've never seen one minute of, but is loved by everyone out there - Firefly.
I think I need to check that out.
I really need to get a dvd player & a set of discs...
Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 22, 2017 04:51 PM (GURcy)
207
Twin Peaks ranks up there with one of the greatest shows on US TV.
Which is why I will delay watching the current version.
Which is why I will delay watching the current version.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 22, 2017 04:51 PM (udajc)
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198 I quit watching Twin Peaks sometime in season 2, before the end.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at May 22, 2017 04:49 PM (hMwEB)
That's exactly what I did. I recorded the 2nd season. They had a marathon on Showtime. I'm going to binge it before I watch the reboot.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at May 22, 2017 04:49 PM (hMwEB)
That's exactly what I did. I recorded the 2nd season. They had a marathon on Showtime. I'm going to binge it before I watch the reboot.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 04:52 PM (Ri/rl)
209
>>> Second season of the show disappointed me, so I guess I need to rewatch it.
It's pretty bad in the middle. Really bad.
I'm told that episodes 1-11 of the 2nd season (or really 1-10) are worth a watch for the resolution (?) of the Laura Palmer storyline. Then there's a lot of bullshit and attempts at new stories that go nowhere slowly.
The article I read suggested stopping at episode 10 and jumping to episodes 21 and 22 (the finale).
Personally, I did like some of the stuff in the five episodes before that, where they start to explore this American Indian-but-maybe-aliens mythology, but those are scattered minutes in a long slog of tedium and silliness.
To skip ahead to the finale episodes, all you have to know is that there's an ex-FBI-agent-turned-serial-killer called Windom Earl who is trying to hurt Cooper, and who is either possessed by the mad spirits or WANTS to join them, and they've discovered that there are too Lodges hidden in the woods, one White and one Black, which don't really exist in our universe but you can find the openings to them, like in the middle of a circle of stones set by Indians.
And you need to know that Cooper has been courting a girl called Annie (played by Heather Graham!!), and Windom Earl has gone after her, because He's Evil and Wants Revenge.
Oh, and maybe the owls in the woods are connected to spirits or something.
Anyway, towards the end, Windom finds the Black Lodge and Cooper chases him.
That sets up the last episodes. Some of the stuff from episodes 11 to 20 might be somewhat interesting, but, as I said, it's a couple of minutes of interesting stuff hidden in 45 flat minutes of unfunny humor and other plot points which go nowhere because they're dumb and just throwing crap at the wall.
It's pretty bad in the middle. Really bad.
I'm told that episodes 1-11 of the 2nd season (or really 1-10) are worth a watch for the resolution (?) of the Laura Palmer storyline. Then there's a lot of bullshit and attempts at new stories that go nowhere slowly.
The article I read suggested stopping at episode 10 and jumping to episodes 21 and 22 (the finale).
Personally, I did like some of the stuff in the five episodes before that, where they start to explore this American Indian-but-maybe-aliens mythology, but those are scattered minutes in a long slog of tedium and silliness.
To skip ahead to the finale episodes, all you have to know is that there's an ex-FBI-agent-turned-serial-killer called Windom Earl who is trying to hurt Cooper, and who is either possessed by the mad spirits or WANTS to join them, and they've discovered that there are too Lodges hidden in the woods, one White and one Black, which don't really exist in our universe but you can find the openings to them, like in the middle of a circle of stones set by Indians.
And you need to know that Cooper has been courting a girl called Annie (played by Heather Graham!!), and Windom Earl has gone after her, because He's Evil and Wants Revenge.
Oh, and maybe the owls in the woods are connected to spirits or something.
Anyway, towards the end, Windom finds the Black Lodge and Cooper chases him.
That sets up the last episodes. Some of the stuff from episodes 11 to 20 might be somewhat interesting, but, as I said, it's a couple of minutes of interesting stuff hidden in 45 flat minutes of unfunny humor and other plot points which go nowhere because they're dumb and just throwing crap at the wall.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:52 PM (8rNrN)
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Sooth, that is an accurate portrayal.
I also take movies too seriously.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 04:46 PM (3OIiX)
Unpossible.
I also take movies too seriously.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 04:46 PM (3OIiX)
Unpossible.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 22, 2017 04:52 PM (mf5HN)
211
It's almost more of a slasher movie than a sci fi movie.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 04:49 PM (3OIiX)
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Thanks. If that's the case, I might pass. How about Danny McBride? Did he bring some humor and levity? If I see it, it would only to laugh at him.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 04:49 PM (3OIiX)
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Thanks. If that's the case, I might pass. How about Danny McBride? Did he bring some humor and levity? If I see it, it would only to laugh at him.
Posted by: MacGruber at May 22, 2017 04:52 PM (sgrzZ)
212
Willowed from below:
312 Guys, thank you. I really, really appreciate your thoughts and advice on this. (Had an appt, and had to step away.)
Also, would appreciate prayers for daughter, who has yet another surgery tomorrow. Poor kids is starting to look like frankenstein, with all the stitching and scars.
Hugs and smooches to you all.
And my kids loved Twin Peaks.
312 Guys, thank you. I really, really appreciate your thoughts and advice on this. (Had an appt, and had to step away.)
Also, would appreciate prayers for daughter, who has yet another surgery tomorrow. Poor kids is starting to look like frankenstein, with all the stitching and scars.
Hugs and smooches to you all.
And my kids loved Twin Peaks.
Posted by: moki at May 22, 2017 04:52 PM (V+V48)
Posted by: Helen Keller at May 22, 2017 04:53 PM (vRcUp)
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Hooray for Hollywood!
Posted by: jbspry at May 22, 2017 04:53 PM (lP8dE)
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 22, 2017 04:54 PM (mf5HN)
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>>>You were quite the precocious 3 year old.
uh, it was on Netflix or something. The kids in my pre-school had just discovered it. And they were watching it weekly because they found "Binge Watching Culture" too trendy.
uh, it was on Netflix or something. The kids in my pre-school had just discovered it. And they were watching it weekly because they found "Binge Watching Culture" too trendy.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:54 PM (8rNrN)
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I followed right along from the beginning of the X-Files to the end, have the original movie on DVD
Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2017 04:55 PM (Ot7+c)
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"Cotton balls!"
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 22, 2017 04:55 PM (udajc)
219
Lynch's Straight Story is overlooked. An old man drives his riding mower to visit his ailing brother. The only odd thing is he doesn't remove the mower deck. Richard Farnsworth, Sissy Spacek and HD Stanton.
Posted by: Frank Booth at May 22, 2017 04:55 PM (bc2Lc)
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Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:52 PM (8rNrN)
Thanks Ace, that'll save me a lot of time. And if I watch the last 2 episodes my husband can watch as well.
Thanks Ace, that'll save me a lot of time. And if I watch the last 2 episodes my husband can watch as well.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 04:56 PM (Ri/rl)
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Just to be clear:
I'm not recommending season 2. People stopped watching it for a reason.
I'm just saying, near the very end, they started to right the ship. I heard Lynch came back and oversaw the show again after having left after season 2 episode 3.
They cobbled together a mythology quickly, hoping it would be enough to get a season 3, but it was too little, too late.
Most of season 2 is just as bad as you've heard. Or just as bad as you remember.
I'm not recommending season 2. People stopped watching it for a reason.
I'm just saying, near the very end, they started to right the ship. I heard Lynch came back and oversaw the show again after having left after season 2 episode 3.
They cobbled together a mythology quickly, hoping it would be enough to get a season 3, but it was too little, too late.
Most of season 2 is just as bad as you've heard. Or just as bad as you remember.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 04:56 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 04:57 PM (Ri/rl)
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I liked some of Wayward Pines, but was disappointed by what the Marshall's kid finds when he comes out of his coma.
Did anyone watch some summer series a few years ago where the premise was a Survivor type show set in Siberia? The writers decided to try for a second season and so there is no closure at all at the end of the season, and of course a second one never happened.
Did anyone watch some summer series a few years ago where the premise was a Survivor type show set in Siberia? The writers decided to try for a second season and so there is no closure at all at the end of the season, and of course a second one never happened.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at May 22, 2017 04:57 PM (AQWos)
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177 Anyone else watch the season finale of Supernatural? I don't know if I'm going to watch season 13. The show's writing has gotten really awful.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 22, 2017 04:43 PM (0xNLz)
Yup watched.
Love the show.
Team Free Will forever.
I love Crowley and Castiel though they really needed their own spin off.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 22, 2017 04:43 PM (0xNLz)
Yup watched.
Love the show.
Team Free Will forever.
I love Crowley and Castiel though they really needed their own spin off.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at May 22, 2017 04:57 PM (hMwEB)
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I might watch it if I can buy it on Amazon Prime without funding too much of the Showtime iniquity.
Ace, one thing that struck me on watching the original, is that spiritual good and evil is assumed right from the beginning, without apology. Does the current show still have that quality, or is it just dark? It sounds like there isn't a Cooper figure. In the original show, there was a general coalition of good people like Cooper, the director, the sherrif, deputies etc. that seemed to make up the "good side." I'm not interested in darkness for darkness sake.
Ace, one thing that struck me on watching the original, is that spiritual good and evil is assumed right from the beginning, without apology. Does the current show still have that quality, or is it just dark? It sounds like there isn't a Cooper figure. In the original show, there was a general coalition of good people like Cooper, the director, the sherrif, deputies etc. that seemed to make up the "good side." I'm not interested in darkness for darkness sake.
Posted by: goodluckduck at May 22, 2017 04:57 PM (yqvys)
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Prayers up, Moki.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at May 22, 2017 04:58 PM (hMwEB)
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I liked Wayword Pines too, but the second season wasn't as good as the first, mostly because the mystery was revealed.
I lost interest real quick after they killed off Terrence Howard and Matt Dillon. Who kills off the top named stars in Season 1 for no names?
I lost interest real quick after they killed off Terrence Howard and Matt Dillon. Who kills off the top named stars in Season 1 for no names?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 04:58 PM (utT6Q)
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Count me among the group that has never watched it. I'm so jaded on TV shows and how most of the writers have liberal messages to send out over the airways that I won't watch any.
Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at May 22, 2017 04:58 PM (0/1SX)
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All the big summer blockbuster movies were not made in Hollywood, hell not even in the county. How's that tax break thing working out for you? Tells me that there might be other problems involved.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 22, 2017 04:58 PM (6Ll1u)
Posted by: Chris M at May 22, 2017 04:59 PM (eAZVt)
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At the risk of losing my platinum membership (sans ampersands), I have never seen an episode of X-Files either. So much water cooler talk back in the day really makes me feel like I have, but no.
I think I saw an Iron Man movie, not sure, but aside from 80's Reeves' Superman and the first two 90's Batman movies, I'm superhero move free too.
I think I saw an Iron Man movie, not sure, but aside from 80's Reeves' Superman and the first two 90's Batman movies, I'm superhero move free too.
Posted by: IP at May 22, 2017 04:59 PM (UmSfZ)
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Ace,
I need to rewatch something because I haven't watched twin peaks since it was originally released. That was a long time ago.
I need a refresher or previously video so I'm not lost.
I need to rewatch something because I haven't watched twin peaks since it was originally released. That was a long time ago.
I need a refresher or previously video so I'm not lost.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 04:59 PM (Ri/rl)
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I couldn't watch Supernatural this year because the CW lost their contract with Hulu. I think it's supposed to be on Netflix next week though.
Posted by: Lauren at May 22, 2017 04:59 PM (HSk4H)
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The stupudest thing they did on Twin Peaks was kill the Audrey - Dale romance. The actors had incredible chemistry.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at May 22, 2017 05:00 PM (hMwEB)
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Ace, there is an even small sub-set that watched the "films" which explore even more stuff. I am not in that camp. Jim Geraghty is a huge fan and has probably done this.
Posted by: goodluckduck at May 22, 2017 05:00 PM (yqvys)
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There are Twin Peaks restaurants to compete with Hooters. Why the euphemisms, just call your restaurant T&A .
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 22, 2017 05:01 PM (Vnlws)
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I wanna watch the Baywatch movie. the trailer made it look like fun dumb stuff. and boobs.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at May 22, 2017 05:01 PM (H2vIV)
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OT: AHAHAHA!
"Occupy Silicon Valley: The next populist movement may be aimed at tech wealth, report says"
http://preview.tinyurl.com/mtpvhr8
"Occupy Silicon Valley: The next populist movement may be aimed at tech wealth, report says"
http://preview.tinyurl.com/mtpvhr8
Posted by: The Reportin' Hat at May 22, 2017 05:02 PM (rUIbB)
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"233 I couldn't watch Supernatural this year because the CW lost their contract with Hulu. I think it's supposed to be on Netflix next week though. "
there is a CW App for almost every device that doesn't require a cable subscrip to watch thieir shows.
http://www.cwtv.com/thecw/the-cw-app
there is a CW App for almost every device that doesn't require a cable subscrip to watch thieir shows.
http://www.cwtv.com/thecw/the-cw-app
Posted by: exsanguine at May 22, 2017 05:02 PM (ypR3d)
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Moki prayers and best of luck for your daughter and family
Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2017 05:03 PM (Ot7+c)
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Everytime I started to watch Twin Peaks I stopped because all I could think of was Blue Velvet.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 22, 2017 05:03 PM (Vnlws)
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Also, what kind of music is in the new one? The music really helped define the first series.
Posted by: goodluckduck at May 22, 2017 05:03 PM (yqvys)
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There are Twin Peaks restaurants to compete with Hooters. Why the euphemisms, just call your restaurant TA .
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 22, 2017 05:01 PM (Vnlws)>>>
Doesn't the WWE or WWF already own that trademark?
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 22, 2017 05:01 PM (Vnlws)>>>
Doesn't the WWE or WWF already own that trademark?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 22, 2017 05:04 PM (r5KeJ)
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>>>The stupudest thing they did on Twin Peaks was kill the Audrey - Dale romance. The actors had incredible chemistry.
yeahhh.... but she was supposedly 17 on the show.
They later threw Heather Graham at him as a consolation prize.
yeahhh.... but she was supposedly 17 on the show.
They later threw Heather Graham at him as a consolation prize.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 05:04 PM (8rNrN)
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Also, would appreciate prayers for daughter, who has yet another surgery tomorrow. Poor kids is starting to look like frankenstein, with all the stitching and scars.
Posted by: moki at May 22, 2017 04:52 PM (V+V4
Thoughts & Prayers
Posted by: moki at May 22, 2017 04:52 PM (V+V4
Thoughts & Prayers
Posted by: The Political Hat at May 22, 2017 05:04 PM (rUIbB)
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All the big summer blockbuster movies were not made in Hollywood, hell not even in the county. How's that tax break thing working out for you? Tells me that there might be other problems involved.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby
That's unpossible. Ever increasing costs and taxation always create ever increasing demand.
You're one of those Tea Party idjiots, aren't you?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby
That's unpossible. Ever increasing costs and taxation always create ever increasing demand.
You're one of those Tea Party idjiots, aren't you?
Posted by: The Left, the omniscient left at May 22, 2017 05:04 PM (HTdUD)
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I know I'm getting old when I can't understand the allure of shows that my kids just love - like the Flash. My sons and all their friends love it. Watched a couple of episodes and I can't understand why they love it so much.
Posted by: MacGruber at May 22, 2017 05:05 PM (sgrzZ)
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>>.Also, what kind of music is in the new one? The music really helped define the first series.
so far I haven't heard the classic themes, alas.
so far I haven't heard the classic themes, alas.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 05:05 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 05:05 PM (utT6Q)
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219 Lynch's Straight Story is overlooked. An old man drives his riding mower to visit his ailing brother. The only odd thing is he doesn't remove the mower deck. Richard Farnsworth, Sissy Spacek and HD Stanton.
Posted by: Frank Booth at May 22, 2017 04:55 PM (bc2Lc)
That was actually a really great movie. Highly recommended from me.
Based on a true story, in fact.
Now, I need to look that one up. I liked it that much...
Posted by: Frank Booth at May 22, 2017 04:55 PM (bc2Lc)
That was actually a really great movie. Highly recommended from me.
Based on a true story, in fact.
Now, I need to look that one up. I liked it that much...
Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 22, 2017 05:05 PM (GURcy)
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They gave Audrey Billy Zane haha
Posted by: goodluckduck at May 22, 2017 05:06 PM (yqvys)
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Since when has age ever stopped Hollywood?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 05:05 PM (utT6Q)
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Never.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 05:05 PM (utT6Q)
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Never.
Posted by: Roman Polanski at May 22, 2017 05:06 PM (sgrzZ)
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"Occupy Silicon Valley: The next populist movement may be aimed at tech wealth, report says"
Considering how many of them got rich selling our personal info far and wide while spurning American workers for exploitable foreign labor, this may not be as far off as one might think.
Considering how many of them got rich selling our personal info far and wide while spurning American workers for exploitable foreign labor, this may not be as far off as one might think.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 22, 2017 05:07 PM (AM1GF)
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"Twins Peaks"... I'm going to go out on a limb here and surmise there're no boobehs in this show!
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at May 22, 2017 05:07 PM (e9G8E)
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Thanks, exsanguine! I'll have to check that out. I think we tried to find it on the PS4 last year and then gave up.
Posted by: Lauren at May 22, 2017 05:07 PM (HSk4H)
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yeahhh.... but she was supposedly 17 on the show.
Since when has age ever stopped Hollywood?
17? An old timer. Nobody wants to see that.
Since when has age ever stopped Hollywood?
17? An old timer. Nobody wants to see that.
Posted by: Roman Polanski at May 22, 2017 05:08 PM (qJhUV)
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When I was little I watched reruns of Gilligan's Island after school and loved it.
So when they had a Gilligan's Island Movie in 1980, it was like a dream come true to see my friends finally get rescued!
It was about bumbling but evil Soviets, too.
When I was little I watched reruns of Gilligan's Island after school and loved it.
So when they had a Gilligan's Island Movie in 1980, it was like a dream come true to see my friends finally get rescued!
It was about bumbling but evil Soviets, too.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 22, 2017 05:08 PM (Ao3oZ)
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Now X-Files, that was a show I watched passionately in the early years. But I started to lose interest when they got heavier and heavier into the alien clones whatever plots, I wanted to see more Human Blood Flukes.
And I consider "Jose Chung's From Outer Space" to not only be perhaps the best X-File episode, but perhaps the best bit ever committed to film on this topic by anyone. It's best described as a humorous sci-fi version of Rashoman, and the kicker is that out in the Real World, this is what every story of this kind eventually turns into.
And I consider "Jose Chung's From Outer Space" to not only be perhaps the best X-File episode, but perhaps the best bit ever committed to film on this topic by anyone. It's best described as a humorous sci-fi version of Rashoman, and the kicker is that out in the Real World, this is what every story of this kind eventually turns into.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2017 05:09 PM (d6ag0)
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>>>Ace, one thing that struck me on watching the original, is that spiritual good and evil is assumed right from the beginning, without apology. Does the current show still have that quality, or is it just dark? It sounds like there isn't a Cooper figure.
cooper is currently lost but the show is about his Return. (The "Return" in the title seems to refer mostly to Cooper.)
What he will be like when he comes back in full, I don't know. I sure hope he's back as the White Knight again.
The show needs it.
There are bits with the good people in the police station -- "Hawk," Lucy, Andy. Even Bobby, that raging punk, is now a cop, and I guess he's a good guy now.
Michael Ontkean sadly is retired from show business and refused to come back. He's 68. Maybe he just didn't feel up to it.
He's mentioned on the show, but they've replaced him with his "brother," Sherrif FRANK Truman. Who is played by Robert Forster, who actually was the guy offered the Harry S. Truman role originally but was forced by another studio to back out of it. He was replaced a week or so before shooting by Michael Ontkean.
Still, Ontkean is missed. Right now the primary good guy is Hawk, who doesn't have many lines.
Most of the action so far has NOT been in Twin Peaks. I guess we'll be returning there more fully as the show goes on.
cooper is currently lost but the show is about his Return. (The "Return" in the title seems to refer mostly to Cooper.)
What he will be like when he comes back in full, I don't know. I sure hope he's back as the White Knight again.
The show needs it.
There are bits with the good people in the police station -- "Hawk," Lucy, Andy. Even Bobby, that raging punk, is now a cop, and I guess he's a good guy now.
Michael Ontkean sadly is retired from show business and refused to come back. He's 68. Maybe he just didn't feel up to it.
He's mentioned on the show, but they've replaced him with his "brother," Sherrif FRANK Truman. Who is played by Robert Forster, who actually was the guy offered the Harry S. Truman role originally but was forced by another studio to back out of it. He was replaced a week or so before shooting by Michael Ontkean.
Still, Ontkean is missed. Right now the primary good guy is Hawk, who doesn't have many lines.
Most of the action so far has NOT been in Twin Peaks. I guess we'll be returning there more fully as the show goes on.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 05:10 PM (8rNrN)
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My son loves it, I never watched it.
BTW.. made it to beautiful Hutchinson, KS for my bosses wife's funeral. Meh...
Not a bad drive though. Lots of farmland. Lots of cows. Tons of cows.
BTW.. made it to beautiful Hutchinson, KS for my bosses wife's funeral. Meh...
Not a bad drive though. Lots of farmland. Lots of cows. Tons of cows.
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at May 22, 2017 05:10 PM (tf9GX)
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229 All the big summer blockbuster movies were not made in Hollywood, hell not even in the county. How's that tax break thing working out for you? Tells me that there might be other problems involved.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 22, 2017 04:58 PM (6Ll1u)
They also don't film all the TV shows in Hollywood either. They film in Canada. I imagine so they don't have to pay union wages.
Psych was set in Santa Barbara but it wasn't filmed there except they showed the courthouse in the opening credits.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 22, 2017 04:58 PM (6Ll1u)
They also don't film all the TV shows in Hollywood either. They film in Canada. I imagine so they don't have to pay union wages.
Psych was set in Santa Barbara but it wasn't filmed there except they showed the courthouse in the opening credits.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 05:10 PM (Ri/rl)
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The one thing I will not do with this series is get all True Detective about it and try to figure out what it all means and guess where it's going.
I steal William Hurt's line from the Big Chill, "sometimes you have to let art just wash over you".
I steal William Hurt's line from the Big Chill, "sometimes you have to let art just wash over you".
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 22, 2017 05:10 PM (gIRsn)
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Heather Graham looked way younger than Sherilynn Fenn.
And the conflict Cooper had in struggling against his attraction for jail bait fit the whole battle against evil theme of the show.
And the conflict Cooper had in struggling against his attraction for jail bait fit the whole battle against evil theme of the show.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at May 22, 2017 05:11 PM (hMwEB)
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Oh -- the show does start with the usual Twin Peaks theme. But I haven't heard the jazzy numbers of the "Terror" music that was so effective in the original.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 05:11 PM (8rNrN)
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And I consider "Jose Chung's From Outer Space" to not only be perhaps the best X-File episode, but perhaps the best bit ever committed to film on this topic by anyone. It's best described as a humorous sci-fi version of Rashoman, and the kicker is that out in the Real World, this is what every story of this kind eventually turns into.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2017 05:09 PM (d6ag0)
I never liked that episode (I know I'm in a distinct minority there), but I love the Jose Chung episode of "Millennium."
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2017 05:09 PM (d6ag0)
I never liked that episode (I know I'm in a distinct minority there), but I love the Jose Chung episode of "Millennium."
Posted by: josephistan at May 22, 2017 05:11 PM (7HtZB)
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Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2017 05:09 PM (d6ag0)
I love that episode too. Charles Nelson Reilly. Great episode.
I love that episode too. Charles Nelson Reilly. Great episode.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 05:12 PM (Ri/rl)
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>>>Heather Graham looked way younger than Sherilynn Fenn.
maybe but she wasn't *supposed* to be 17.
I mean, yeah, we knew Sherilynn Fenn wasn't 17, or any of the "Teenagers," but you can't have Dale Cooper having sex with a 17 year old.
maybe but she wasn't *supposed* to be 17.
I mean, yeah, we knew Sherilynn Fenn wasn't 17, or any of the "Teenagers," but you can't have Dale Cooper having sex with a 17 year old.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 05:12 PM (8rNrN)
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OT: AHAHAHA!
"Occupy Silicon Valley: The next populist movement may be aimed at tech wealth, report says"
http://preview.tinyurl.com/mtpvhr8
Posted by: The Reportin' Hat at May 22, 2017 05:02 PM (rUIbB)
It couldn't happen to a better bunch of assholes. I hope they hit Google, Farcebook and Twatter
"Occupy Silicon Valley: The next populist movement may be aimed at tech wealth, report says"
http://preview.tinyurl.com/mtpvhr8
Posted by: The Reportin' Hat at May 22, 2017 05:02 PM (rUIbB)
It couldn't happen to a better bunch of assholes. I hope they hit Google, Farcebook and Twatter
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 22, 2017 05:12 PM (493sH)
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247 I know I'm getting old when I can't understand the allure of shows that my kids just love - like the Flash. My sons and all their friends love it. Watched a couple of episodes and I can't understand why they love it so much.
Posted by: MacGruber at May 22, 2017 05:05 PM (sgrzZ)
My daughter and I watch a lot of the superhero movies and shows together. I know, it's for kids, etc., but it's something we can share. The Flash has a good cast and the dialogue and performances are generally good. It captured something not a lot of other entertainment of that media did, which is that its hero wasn't conflicted; he seemed to unabashedly enjoy his powers and liked defeating bad guys. They've gotten away from that in the search for conflict to portray on the show, but for a while there it was unique.
Posted by: MacGruber at May 22, 2017 05:05 PM (sgrzZ)
My daughter and I watch a lot of the superhero movies and shows together. I know, it's for kids, etc., but it's something we can share. The Flash has a good cast and the dialogue and performances are generally good. It captured something not a lot of other entertainment of that media did, which is that its hero wasn't conflicted; he seemed to unabashedly enjoy his powers and liked defeating bad guys. They've gotten away from that in the search for conflict to portray on the show, but for a while there it was unique.
Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at May 22, 2017 05:13 PM (V40IZ)
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Well it's almost 5:30, time for another NY Times or WashPost "Breaking News' story based on a memo read by one anonymous source to another anonymous source with connections to the last administration and overheard by a reporter via two cups and a string....
Posted by: JoeF. at May 22, 2017 05:14 PM (7uYFy)
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I thought this post was about some old Russ Meyer movie.
I thought this post was about some old Russ Meyer movie.
Posted by: YIKES! at May 22, 2017 05:14 PM (t6XCL)
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I mean, yeah, we knew Sherilynn Fenn wasn't 17, or any of the "Teenagers," but you can't have Dale Cooper having sex with a 17 year old.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 05:12 PM (8rNrN)
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they shoulda gone with some kind of "noble sacrifice" thing on Cooper 's part where he lives her but doesn't bed her, and slays the dragon or something instead.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 05:12 PM (8rNrN)
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they shoulda gone with some kind of "noble sacrifice" thing on Cooper 's part where he lives her but doesn't bed her, and slays the dragon or something instead.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at May 22, 2017 05:14 PM (hMwEB)
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I'm not saying it's aliens . . . but it's aliens.
Posted by: Giorgio Tsouakalos at May 22, 2017 05:14 PM (JO9+V)
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You know how they make comedy parodies of semi serious TV shows , how about flipping the script and make a serious show out of a comedy. Gilligan's Island would be great as a murder mystery with a love triangle and strange visitors.
Okay they already did that with Lost.
Okay they already did that with Lost.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 22, 2017 05:15 PM (Vnlws)
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I repeat , Suicide Squad sucked big time except one part. One very nice body part.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 22, 2017 05:17 PM (Vnlws)
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"You know how they make comedy parodies of semi serious TV shows , how
about flipping the script and make a serious show out of a comedy.
Gilligan's Island would be great as a murder mystery with a love
triangle and strange visitors.
Okay they already did that with Lost."
Or maybe they could try a Sci-Fi version of Gilligan's Island. Oh wait Star Trek already did that with Voyager.
about flipping the script and make a serious show out of a comedy.
Gilligan's Island would be great as a murder mystery with a love
triangle and strange visitors.
Okay they already did that with Lost."
Or maybe they could try a Sci-Fi version of Gilligan's Island. Oh wait Star Trek already did that with Voyager.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2017 05:17 PM (d6ag0)
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Does Heather Graham get naked?
Posted by: Jean at May 22, 2017 05:17 PM (9TU00)
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 22, 2017 05:18 PM (YBR3Y)
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>>>I thought this post was about some old Russ Meyer movie.
Speaking of making art for oneself...
Speaking of making art for oneself...
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at May 22, 2017 05:18 PM (JTTMp)
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274 You know how they make comedy parodies of semi serious TV shows , how about flipping the script and make a serious show out of a comedy. Gilligan's Island would be great as a murder mystery with a love triangle and strange visitors.
Okay they already did that with Lost.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 22, 2017 05:15 PM (Vnlws)
The CW has had a short-season "Riverdale" series on. A light comedic comic book about high school relationships in a small town reimagined as a serious (albeit soapy) drama/thriller, with the overarching story line being the investigation of a murder of a local teen.
Okay they already did that with Lost.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 22, 2017 05:15 PM (Vnlws)
The CW has had a short-season "Riverdale" series on. A light comedic comic book about high school relationships in a small town reimagined as a serious (albeit soapy) drama/thriller, with the overarching story line being the investigation of a murder of a local teen.
Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at May 22, 2017 05:19 PM (V40IZ)
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I think that the ABC? affiliate in Cedar Rapids stopped showing the show? From what I remember, there was some reason I never saw any of the second season of the show.
I remember my BIL regaling me with the highlights of the show if I missed an episode.
I remember my BIL regaling me with the highlights of the show if I missed an episode.
Posted by: rd at May 22, 2017 05:19 PM (XSEwK)
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"Occupy Silicon Valley: The next populist movement may be aimed at tech wealth, report says"
Considering how many of them got rich selling our personal info far and wide while spurning American workers for exploitable foreign labor, this may not be as far off as one might think.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone
This.
I'm hoping they set up a go-fund-me.
I'm in for some tents and a porta potty.
Considering how many of them got rich selling our personal info far and wide while spurning American workers for exploitable foreign labor, this may not be as far off as one might think.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone
This.
I'm hoping they set up a go-fund-me.
I'm in for some tents and a porta potty.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 22, 2017 05:19 PM (HTdUD)
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Does Heather Graham get naked?
Posted by: Jean at May 22, 2017 05:17 PM (9TU00)
See "Boogie Nights", 1997, for a nice scene featuring what you're looking for...
Posted by: Jean at May 22, 2017 05:17 PM (9TU00)
See "Boogie Nights", 1997, for a nice scene featuring what you're looking for...
Posted by: JoeF. at May 22, 2017 05:19 PM (7uYFy)
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277 Does Heather Graham get naked?
Posted by: Jean at May 22, 2017 05:17 PM (9TU00)
She's my it girl. She's a great comedy actress too. I assume she's a big LIB which ruins the fantasy though.
Posted by: Jean at May 22, 2017 05:17 PM (9TU00)
She's my it girl. She's a great comedy actress too. I assume she's a big LIB which ruins the fantasy though.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 22, 2017 05:19 PM (Vnlws)
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@MacGruber
McBride plays it straight. Not much humor or joy in this movie. It's not fun to watch. Go see Guardians of the Galaxy 2 for that.
But McBride isn't bad, might have a career in normal dramas like Paul Giamatti.
McBride plays it straight. Not much humor or joy in this movie. It's not fun to watch. Go see Guardians of the Galaxy 2 for that.
But McBride isn't bad, might have a career in normal dramas like Paul Giamatti.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 05:20 PM (3OIiX)
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LOL.
Future Moron on 4chan, talking about Hannity/ Seth Rich:
"Sean is making my dick hard and soft again rapidly while my balls are turning blue..."
Future Moron on 4chan, talking about Hannity/ Seth Rich:
"Sean is making my dick hard and soft again rapidly while my balls are turning blue..."
Posted by: shibumi at May 22, 2017 05:20 PM (BPeNq)
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Speaking of supernatural fictional universes:
A while ago I watched this stupid Kirsten Dunst movie called "Upside Down" in which she is a girl from a world whose gravity pulls in one direction, and she falls in love with a boy from an almost-touching planet (part of an impossible-but-fictionalized "twin planet system") which has gravity that goes in the opposite direction -- so that when they're together, she falls "up" while he falls "down."
The concept was intriguing -- adjacent worlds with opposite gravity -- but the movie failed because of bad writing and a bunch of SJW class-warfare themes thrown in.
So last night I checked out and watched, in all innocence, an anime called "Patema Inverted" -- and it had the exact same concept! A girl and a boy from opposite-gravity worlds fall in love, etc. Except this was much much better done. B+/A-.
So I wondered: Who ripped off who?
Well, "Upside Down" was released in Aug. 2012 - -while "Patema Inverted" was released in 2013. So -- the anime was the copycat? Not so fast! Turns out that "Patema Inverted" first was released as an online series -- in Feb. 2012! Furthermore, as revealed in the "Extras" with the DVD, it was in production for three full years before then, with snippets leaked online here and there.
So it turned out that the lame liver-action "Upside Down" was the copycat film. As I suspected.
A while ago I watched this stupid Kirsten Dunst movie called "Upside Down" in which she is a girl from a world whose gravity pulls in one direction, and she falls in love with a boy from an almost-touching planet (part of an impossible-but-fictionalized "twin planet system") which has gravity that goes in the opposite direction -- so that when they're together, she falls "up" while he falls "down."
The concept was intriguing -- adjacent worlds with opposite gravity -- but the movie failed because of bad writing and a bunch of SJW class-warfare themes thrown in.
So last night I checked out and watched, in all innocence, an anime called "Patema Inverted" -- and it had the exact same concept! A girl and a boy from opposite-gravity worlds fall in love, etc. Except this was much much better done. B+/A-.
So I wondered: Who ripped off who?
Well, "Upside Down" was released in Aug. 2012 - -while "Patema Inverted" was released in 2013. So -- the anime was the copycat? Not so fast! Turns out that "Patema Inverted" first was released as an online series -- in Feb. 2012! Furthermore, as revealed in the "Extras" with the DVD, it was in production for three full years before then, with snippets leaked online here and there.
So it turned out that the lame liver-action "Upside Down" was the copycat film. As I suspected.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 05:21 PM (DQ4Fv)
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Wow.
Just saw a commercial for a Democrat - a guy who has been a "moderate" in the past - running for governor in VA.
He ends his commercial with: "I have been watching President Trump, and I think he is a narcissistic maniac, and I want to keep his hate out of Virginia."
They really are going all in.
Just saw a commercial for a Democrat - a guy who has been a "moderate" in the past - running for governor in VA.
He ends his commercial with: "I have been watching President Trump, and I think he is a narcissistic maniac, and I want to keep his hate out of Virginia."
They really are going all in.
Posted by: blaster at May 22, 2017 05:21 PM (tFx3r)
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She's my it girl. She's a great comedy actress too. I assume she's a big LIB which ruins the fantasy though.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 22, 2017 05:19 PM (Vnlws)
Are you planning on getting Heather Graham naked to discuss politics?
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 22, 2017 05:19 PM (Vnlws)
Are you planning on getting Heather Graham naked to discuss politics?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 22, 2017 05:21 PM (7uYFy)
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Future Moron on 4chan, talking about Hannity/ Seth Rich:
"Sean is making my dick hard and soft again rapidly while my balls are turning blue..."
Posted by: shibumi at May 22, 2017 05:20 PM (BPeNq)
His conceptual dick?
Future Moron on 4chan, talking about Hannity/ Seth Rich:
"Sean is making my dick hard and soft again rapidly while my balls are turning blue..."
Posted by: shibumi at May 22, 2017 05:20 PM (BPeNq)
His conceptual dick?
Posted by: josephistan at May 22, 2017 05:22 PM (7HtZB)
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Heather Graham - I first really noticed her in "Bowfinger"
That's a hilarious movie, way underrated. Don't know why.
That's a hilarious movie, way underrated. Don't know why.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2017 05:22 PM (d6ag0)
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They had a swimsuit fashion show on the morning news show this morning, they all sucked except for the high cut red one piece. It was supposed to be a homage to Baywatch, did the designer ever watch the show?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 22, 2017 05:22 PM (SwNos)
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His conceptual dick?
Posted by: josephistan at May 22, 2017 05:22 PM (7HtZB)
No, his " Great American' Dick
Posted by: josephistan at May 22, 2017 05:22 PM (7HtZB)
No, his " Great American' Dick
Posted by: JoeF. at May 22, 2017 05:23 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: shibumi at May 22, 2017 05:23 PM (BPeNq)
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729 292 I wonder if Ace is going to do a Twin Peaks thread today.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 22, 2017 10:44 AM (gIRsn)
As I watched the new Showtime version last night, I could not help but think of his recent post about how 'prestige TV' = boring. They really jammed about 55 minutes worth of content into their 120 minute 'two episode' premiere. Also - was it even possible to tell where the break between episode 1 and episode 2 were? Just going purely by time it would be approximately before a team of cops serve a search warrant on a murder suspects house, but I really didn't sense any part of the story arc that was making a natural break around then. Then again, I didn't for the two hours as a whole, either.
I have high hopes for this because I did love the original (and watching its recent replays reminds me why) and in addition to getting a large amount of the original cast back, they got some good names for new talent. But those first two hours... urrm. I'll give it another couple of episodes to see if they sort it out. But really - pick up the damn pace.
I will say that while slow as hell and excessively Lynch-weird, what story content their actually was, I found interesting. And there was some effectively creepy suspense/horror content, even if it was pretty inexplicable.
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729 292 I wonder if Ace is going to do a Twin Peaks thread today.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 22, 2017 10:44 AM (gIRsn)
As I watched the new Showtime version last night, I could not help but think of his recent post about how 'prestige TV' = boring. They really jammed about 55 minutes worth of content into their 120 minute 'two episode' premiere. Also - was it even possible to tell where the break between episode 1 and episode 2 were? Just going purely by time it would be approximately before a team of cops serve a search warrant on a murder suspects house, but I really didn't sense any part of the story arc that was making a natural break around then. Then again, I didn't for the two hours as a whole, either.
I have high hopes for this because I did love the original (and watching its recent replays reminds me why) and in addition to getting a large amount of the original cast back, they got some good names for new talent. But those first two hours... urrm. I'll give it another couple of episodes to see if they sort it out. But really - pick up the damn pace.
I will say that while slow as hell and excessively Lynch-weird, what story content their actually was, I found interesting. And there was some effectively creepy suspense/horror content, even if it was pretty inexplicable.
Posted by: moronhorde minion at May 22, 2017 05:23 PM (88jeI)
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No.
Posted by: Muns at May 22, 2017 05:23 PM (fO+6C)
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He ends his commercial with: "I have been watching President Trump, and I think he is a narcissistic maniac, and I want to keep his hate out of Virginia."
They really are going all in.
Posted by: blaster
Well, it's an interesting concept. Hate as a political weapon. Unproven, but I'm okay with letting the democrats wander off the side of that cliff in the name of science.
I kinda suppose that wallet/pocketbook issues rule, but I'm a moron.
They really are going all in.
Posted by: blaster
Well, it's an interesting concept. Hate as a political weapon. Unproven, but I'm okay with letting the democrats wander off the side of that cliff in the name of science.
I kinda suppose that wallet/pocketbook issues rule, but I'm a moron.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 22, 2017 05:25 PM (HTdUD)
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Nood
Posted by: The Cookie Man at May 22, 2017 05:25 PM (IoMkE)
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Re: on the light versus darkness
This theme is so central to the show I assume he's keeping it -- if there's a Black Lodge, there must be White Lodge too. (The White Lodge helps good people.)
I assume the show's plan is to put us through a lot of darkness before the good guys start getting their acts together.
But the show always had this fatalist thing where the good guys usually lost-- but it also suggested that you fight anyway, even if you're doomed.
So it might end up being another we-lost-but-we-will-continue-fighting thing.
anyway, I sure hope there is a plan for the good guys to at least get into the game.
This theme is so central to the show I assume he's keeping it -- if there's a Black Lodge, there must be White Lodge too. (The White Lodge helps good people.)
I assume the show's plan is to put us through a lot of darkness before the good guys start getting their acts together.
But the show always had this fatalist thing where the good guys usually lost-- but it also suggested that you fight anyway, even if you're doomed.
So it might end up being another we-lost-but-we-will-continue-fighting thing.
anyway, I sure hope there is a plan for the good guys to at least get into the game.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 05:25 PM (8rNrN)
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Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 05:21 PM (DQ4Fv)
Interesting coincidence. My kids and I recently watched Patema Inverted. I think it was free with Amazon streaming. Decent way to pass an hour or so.
Interesting coincidence. My kids and I recently watched Patema Inverted. I think it was free with Amazon streaming. Decent way to pass an hour or so.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 22, 2017 05:25 PM (sEDyY)
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291 Heather Graham - I first really noticed her in "Bowfinger"
That's a hilarious movie, way underrated. Don't know why.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2017 05:22 PM (d6ag0)
The last funny movie that Steve Martin or Eddie Murphy were in.
That's a hilarious movie, way underrated. Don't know why.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2017 05:22 PM (d6ag0)
The last funny movie that Steve Martin or Eddie Murphy were in.
Posted by: josephistan at May 22, 2017 05:25 PM (7HtZB)
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>>>As I watched the new Showtime version last night, I could not help but think of his recent post about how 'prestige TV' = boring. They really jammed about 55 minutes worth of content into their 120 minute 'two episode' premiere.
Yeah, I kinda think that, but some of this stuff needs a slow build, and as they were giving away some real shocks early on, I wound up forgiving the dragginess before then -- without the dragginess, it would just be Here's a Shock, Here's Another Shock.
Sometimes I thought the long takes were effective, sometimes I wanted the editor to give things a trim.
The TV show was a lot zippier. It was dumb in long patches, but they generally cut between character groups frequently to keep a pace going.
so far they have only introduced a couple of clusters of characters so I guess they can't do that.
Plus, the "Prestige TV = Slow" thing.
Yeah, I kinda think that, but some of this stuff needs a slow build, and as they were giving away some real shocks early on, I wound up forgiving the dragginess before then -- without the dragginess, it would just be Here's a Shock, Here's Another Shock.
Sometimes I thought the long takes were effective, sometimes I wanted the editor to give things a trim.
The TV show was a lot zippier. It was dumb in long patches, but they generally cut between character groups frequently to keep a pace going.
so far they have only introduced a couple of clusters of characters so I guess they can't do that.
Plus, the "Prestige TV = Slow" thing.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 05:28 PM (8rNrN)
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Here's what I wrote in the morning thread:
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729 292 I wonder if Ace is going to do a Twin Peaks thread today.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 22, 2017 10:44 AM (gIRsn)
I did have a hunch we'd get this thread. It's all rather ace-ian.
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729 292 I wonder if Ace is going to do a Twin Peaks thread today.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 22, 2017 10:44 AM (gIRsn)
I did have a hunch we'd get this thread. It's all rather ace-ian.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 22, 2017 05:28 PM (gIRsn)
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301 291 Heather Graham - I first really noticed her in "Bowfinger"
That's a hilarious movie, way underrated. Don't know why.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2017 05:22 PM (d6ag0)
The last funny movie that Steve Martin or Eddie Murphy were in.
Posted by: josephistan at May 22, 2017 05:25 PM (7HtZB)
First time I saw it I thought it was terrible . I gave it a rewatch and I can't understand why I thought that. Watch it every time I come across it now and find something different to laugh at each time.
That's a hilarious movie, way underrated. Don't know why.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2017 05:22 PM (d6ag0)
The last funny movie that Steve Martin or Eddie Murphy were in.
Posted by: josephistan at May 22, 2017 05:25 PM (7HtZB)
First time I saw it I thought it was terrible . I gave it a rewatch and I can't understand why I thought that. Watch it every time I come across it now and find something different to laugh at each time.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 22, 2017 05:28 PM (Vnlws)
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288 Wow.
Just saw a commercial for a Democrat - a guy who has been a "moderate" in the past - running for governor in VA.
He ends his commercial with: "I have been watching President Trump, and I think he is a narcissistic maniac, and I want to keep his hate out of Virginia."
They really are going all in.
Posted by: blaster at May 22, 2017 05:21 PM (tFx3r)
Perriello or Northam?
Just saw a commercial for a Democrat - a guy who has been a "moderate" in the past - running for governor in VA.
He ends his commercial with: "I have been watching President Trump, and I think he is a narcissistic maniac, and I want to keep his hate out of Virginia."
They really are going all in.
Posted by: blaster at May 22, 2017 05:21 PM (tFx3r)
Perriello or Northam?
Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at May 22, 2017 05:29 PM (V40IZ)
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BREAKING: MIKE FLYNN, SETH RICH TO TAKE FIFTH
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at May 22, 2017 05:30 PM (Ndje9)
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289 She's my it girl. She's a great comedy actress too. I assume she's a big LIB which ruins the fantasy though.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 22, 2017 05:19 PM (Vnlws)
Are you planning on getting Heather Graham naked to discuss politics?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 22, 2017 05:21 PM (7uYFy)
I'd marry her so I'd have to talk to her eventually.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 22, 2017 05:19 PM (Vnlws)
Are you planning on getting Heather Graham naked to discuss politics?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 22, 2017 05:21 PM (7uYFy)
I'd marry her so I'd have to talk to her eventually.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 22, 2017 05:31 PM (Vnlws)
Posted by: One at May 22, 2017 05:32 PM (RYASC)
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Geraghty did a review of the X-files reboot and made an interesting point. The new X-files tries to recreate the 90s cynical vibe of the original, but that doesn't work now.
So maybe they decided not to try to reproduce the end-of-the-80s feel of the first one because it won't work again.
So maybe they decided not to try to reproduce the end-of-the-80s feel of the first one because it won't work again.
Posted by: goodluckduck at May 22, 2017 05:33 PM (yqvys)
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...and with regard to the show starting full-tilt boogie with the emphasis on the "Black Lodge" events of the final few episodes of the original run - to their credit, Showtime has been running full-series marathons of the original series off and on since they announced the new series a few months ago. So everyone has had the chance to review the old stuff.
At the very least someone should have seen the original series up through the point where Laura's true killer is revealed, and then the last 3 or 4 episodes of season 2. Which is about 19-20 episodes of the original 30. (Hell if you're going to bite off on a 19 hour back story, might as well fill in the other 11, the middle part of season 2 that's kind of meh.) And watch the theatrical movie "Twin Peaks Fire Walk with Me" if you want some bonus Lynch weirdness and to see the almost Lovecraftian psychological trauma Laura Palmer went through in the days leading up to her murder (Lovecraftian in the weird time/space dimensions way but no tentacle monsters).
I wonder what they will do as "real" Dale gets out of the Black Lodge, in terms of subjective time and the impact on his personality. It was well established that time in the Lodge and real-Earth time are neither in synch nor share the same order of events. He clearly has aged comparable to how much he would have aged in the real world (such is life when using real actors), but to him the time in the lodge may have felt like as little as an hour or two, or possibly much longer than the 25 years it has been. 25 years in the Red Room with the midget, not-Laura, and the one-armed man, no good coffee, and no pie, would tend to bring him down I bet.
At the very least someone should have seen the original series up through the point where Laura's true killer is revealed, and then the last 3 or 4 episodes of season 2. Which is about 19-20 episodes of the original 30. (Hell if you're going to bite off on a 19 hour back story, might as well fill in the other 11, the middle part of season 2 that's kind of meh.) And watch the theatrical movie "Twin Peaks Fire Walk with Me" if you want some bonus Lynch weirdness and to see the almost Lovecraftian psychological trauma Laura Palmer went through in the days leading up to her murder (Lovecraftian in the weird time/space dimensions way but no tentacle monsters).
I wonder what they will do as "real" Dale gets out of the Black Lodge, in terms of subjective time and the impact on his personality. It was well established that time in the Lodge and real-Earth time are neither in synch nor share the same order of events. He clearly has aged comparable to how much he would have aged in the real world (such is life when using real actors), but to him the time in the lodge may have felt like as little as an hour or two, or possibly much longer than the 25 years it has been. 25 years in the Red Room with the midget, not-Laura, and the one-armed man, no good coffee, and no pie, would tend to bring him down I bet.
Posted by: moronhorde minion at May 22, 2017 05:35 PM (88jeI)
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I don't know if you guys know this, but if you have showtime, you probably also have showtime on demand, and the latter has episodes 1-4 available, not just the 1-2 that were actually shown as part of Showtime's schedule.
Some of you are only talking about eps 1-2, which is fine obviously, and I tried not to give spoilers, but in case you don't know, go to your on demand menu and you can watch 3 or 4 free. (or, you know, free with the exorbitant amount of money you're already giving your cable company for Showtime.)
Some of you are only talking about eps 1-2, which is fine obviously, and I tried not to give spoilers, but in case you don't know, go to your on demand menu and you can watch 3 or 4 free. (or, you know, free with the exorbitant amount of money you're already giving your cable company for Showtime.)
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 05:38 PM (8rNrN)
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>>>..and with regard to the show starting full-tilt boogie with the emphasis on the "Black Lodge" events of the final few episodes of the original run - to their credit, Showtime has been running full-series marathons of the original series off and on since they announced the new series a few months ago. So everyone has had the chance to review the old stuff.
yeah but as Sonny Bunch told me on Twitter, I don't want to do 30 hours of homework just to be able to watch a show.
I think they could have sketched out the What You Need to Know with the young, hot FBI agent, just following up on some reports of people having seen Dale Cooper.
Then Hawk could have told her "Cooper was looking for something in the woods" and have been silent when she asks "What?"
You know -- just to nutshell it all for actual new viewers.
yeah but as Sonny Bunch told me on Twitter, I don't want to do 30 hours of homework just to be able to watch a show.
I think they could have sketched out the What You Need to Know with the young, hot FBI agent, just following up on some reports of people having seen Dale Cooper.
Then Hawk could have told her "Cooper was looking for something in the woods" and have been silent when she asks "What?"
You know -- just to nutshell it all for actual new viewers.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 05:40 PM (8rNrN)
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Speaking of strange shows. has anyone been watching American Goods?
you will not be anxious to have sweaty sex with a beautiful back woman ever again if you have.
you will not be anxious to have sweaty sex with a beautiful back woman ever again if you have.
Posted by: exsanguine at May 22, 2017 05:43 PM (ypR3d)
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Posted by: blaster at May 22, 2017 05:21 PM (tFx3r)
@288
You must be talking about Ralph Northam - loud & Proud about squashing 1st, 2nd ammendment rights and every other one.
Baby killer, gun rights killer, you name it - has commercials brag about it.
@288
You must be talking about Ralph Northam - loud & Proud about squashing 1st, 2nd ammendment rights and every other one.
Baby killer, gun rights killer, you name it - has commercials brag about it.
Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 22, 2017 05:44 PM (GURcy)
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Sometimes I wonder if part of the leftist/evil agenda is to not only discredit Christianity, but to replace it with something evil.
Bewitched was cute, but it also made witches seem like normal people with abnormal problems. It has progressed to where children get a brain-load of occult shows on the Disney channel.
Adults get them during prime-time.
The few times I have watched any of them it felt like a spiritual attack. Okay, besides Bewitched. Anyway, it seems to me that occult shows open people to spiritual attack and manipulation. Perhaps there is no absolute truth. Perhaps sin is only what you feel sin is. Chill, let people who know better tell you how to live, what to think.
Bewitched was cute, but it also made witches seem like normal people with abnormal problems. It has progressed to where children get a brain-load of occult shows on the Disney channel.
Adults get them during prime-time.
The few times I have watched any of them it felt like a spiritual attack. Okay, besides Bewitched. Anyway, it seems to me that occult shows open people to spiritual attack and manipulation. Perhaps there is no absolute truth. Perhaps sin is only what you feel sin is. Chill, let people who know better tell you how to live, what to think.
Posted by: Paranoid Sporting a Tin-Foil Hat at May 22, 2017 06:01 PM (3hIZX)
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I give zero fucks that this thread is willowed - I LOVE DAVID LYNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Posted by: AllMyFriendsAreLefties at May 22, 2017 06:10 PM (K8P1X)
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I thought that, of all the shows that might return (Firefly) or did return (X-Files), the only one that could really work would be Twin Peaks. The others would be expected to have That Ol' Magic and probably wouldn't. Twin Peaks would be able to do almost anything, because people would expect almost anything.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 22, 2017 06:18 PM (MZcWR)
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I think they could have sketched out the What You Need to Know with the young, hot FBI agent, just following up on some reports of people having seen Dale Cooper.
Then Hawk could have told her "Cooper was looking for something in the woods" and have been silent when she asks "What?"
You know -- just to nutshell it all for actual new viewers.
Yup that would be good - could have made a 90 minute special recutting key scenes from the core story of the murder, Bob, & the Lodge, or something like that. So you can cut out all the crap from the original series. I'm looking at you, Nadine's drape runners, and you, usually-likable Billy Zane, and you, all-the-scenes-where-James-is-out-of-town-with-the-rich-wife, and you, "whose baby is it", and you, Josie's past, and you...
Well you get the picture.
Then Hawk could have told her "Cooper was looking for something in the woods" and have been silent when she asks "What?"
You know -- just to nutshell it all for actual new viewers.
Yup that would be good - could have made a 90 minute special recutting key scenes from the core story of the murder, Bob, & the Lodge, or something like that. So you can cut out all the crap from the original series. I'm looking at you, Nadine's drape runners, and you, usually-likable Billy Zane, and you, all-the-scenes-where-James-is-out-of-town-with-the-rich-wife, and you, "whose baby is it", and you, Josie's past, and you...
Well you get the picture.
Posted by: moronhorde minion at May 22, 2017 06:19 PM (88jeI)
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308 Madchen Amick.
That is all.
Posted by: One at May 22, 2017 05:32 PM (RYASC)
Almost enough to make me watch "Riverdale."
Plus, the young smokeshow playing Veronica.
But still, even with both...
almost.
Speaking of too-young-for-me-but-Ace-is-only-29: the angry little brunette "KAF" on The 100. Octavia. Marie Avgeropolous (mmm, sexy Greek name). Yowza. Man, that show is just so filled to the brim with annoying dumbness. But they called up the CW casting department and said "hotness please. More hotness. Even the main character's mom - make sure she's hot too. This show must be filled with post-apocalyptic hot girls!"
That is all.
Posted by: One at May 22, 2017 05:32 PM (RYASC)
Almost enough to make me watch "Riverdale."
Plus, the young smokeshow playing Veronica.
But still, even with both...
almost.
Speaking of too-young-for-me-but-Ace-is-only-29: the angry little brunette "KAF" on The 100. Octavia. Marie Avgeropolous (mmm, sexy Greek name). Yowza. Man, that show is just so filled to the brim with annoying dumbness. But they called up the CW casting department and said "hotness please. More hotness. Even the main character's mom - make sure she's hot too. This show must be filled with post-apocalyptic hot girls!"
Posted by: moronhorde minion at May 22, 2017 06:25 PM (88jeI)
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I eventually got through it all, though not when first aired. What kept me coming back was the feeling that something important and satisfying would happen.
Like Charlie Brown, I am still hoping. I have the first episode recorded. Now I just have to find time since my wife refuses to watch with me.
Like Charlie Brown, I am still hoping. I have the first episode recorded. Now I just have to find time since my wife refuses to watch with me.
Posted by: Laxpat at May 22, 2017 06:44 PM (RIirB)
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Enjoyed the original as broadcast and coming to work the next day and talking about it with everyone, it felt like the whole country was tuned in. Its an acquired taste like it's predecessors Dark Shadows and The Prisoner. The new season is alright so far but suffers from the minimal exposure of old faces. It's fun to see Kyle play a bad guy. For a fan, the Log Lady's scenes were heartbreaking. The Showtime filler BS was annoying. I would like to see a more true to original form soap opera format, has more potential for longevity. Shows like this do better when they don't get too full of themselves and can still have a laugh at their own expense. For fans I recommend the festival, pricy but fun. Even made the VICE article last time I went. Was too busy playing spot the serial killer to notice the "reporter" at my table. For new watchers get the blue ray box set, every episode/doco/movie in a very clear format. Sharp enough to see all the set jokes like the specials board at the diner in Season 2 that says "Savory Beaver Broth".
Posted by: wilbeforce at May 22, 2017 06:51 PM (9CvIS)
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I am very interested in this, wouldn't mind more entries on twin peaks thank you ace
Posted by: village idiot at May 22, 2017 07:22 PM (bf86X)
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I was a fan of the original. At the time it was broadcast there was nothing much on TV worth watching {much like today}. Typical David Lynch, he knew how to get someone hooked on a story, but then had no idea what to do with the characters so the story suffered. By the time ABC suits had moved Twin Peaks around the schedule, I lost interest. So I had no idea about the Blacklodge.
Loved the Psych parody. Speaking of Psych, what has happened to USA Network, it once had fresh programming like Monk, Burn Notice and White Collar?
Loved the Psych parody. Speaking of Psych, what has happened to USA Network, it once had fresh programming like Monk, Burn Notice and White Collar?
Posted by: Locke Common at May 22, 2017 07:27 PM (YqvaZ)
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I thought X-Files was inspired by Kolchak: The Night Stalker
Well, in a nod to Ace and the others, I don't doubt for a minute that the X-Files has a bit of a Lynchian vibe. But Chris Carter straight up said that the X-Files *was* inspired by Kolchak. In fact, that's why he'd call the non-alien related episodes "monster-of-the-week" eps.
Well, in a nod to Ace and the others, I don't doubt for a minute that the X-Files has a bit of a Lynchian vibe. But Chris Carter straight up said that the X-Files *was* inspired by Kolchak. In fact, that's why he'd call the non-alien related episodes "monster-of-the-week" eps.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at May 22, 2017 07:34 PM (FftaI)
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I'm willing to bet the reboot tried to bury the pivotal role played by the volcano in the earlier series, too.
I'm willing to bet the reboot tried to bury the pivotal role played by the volcano in the earlier series, too.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 22, 2017 08:00 PM (jCN1w)
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>>>I'm willing to bet the reboot tried to bury the pivotal role played by the volcano in the earlier series, too.
It was retconned into a severed arm that became a midget.
It was retconned into a severed arm that became a midget.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 08:20 PM (8rNrN)
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>>>
Well, in a nod to Ace and the others, I don't doubt for a minute that the X-Files has a bit of a Lynchian vibe. But Chris Carter straight up said that the X-Files *was* inspired by Kolchak. In fact, that's why he'd call the non-alien related episodes "monster-of-the-week" eps.
sure it was, definitely. But consider this: Kolchak was an old show that never really did big ratings and was cancelled quickly. Sure, the monster of the week thing is from Kolchack.
But what about the evolving, expanding mythology part? That's Twin Peaks.
Also, Twin Peaks opened to explosive ratings, which they quickly lost, because Twin Peaks didn't understand at first what it needed it to be. People tuned in for the police procedural aspect (with weirdly obsessive and "spooky" FBI agent guiding a more skeptical, grounded partner -- sound familiar?) and then the mystery-with-supernatural overtones aspect.
But it hadn't been conceived that way-- it had been conceived as a sort of parody soap opera looking at the peaceful surface and the hidden chaos below a small town, with the murder just as the initial hook to explore that idea.
The public loved that part -- but the series was concieved as mostly about the pure soap opera angle.
This caused problems for the show as everything had to be about the murder, and most characters had no connection to it, but had to be given time-wasting bullshit to do.
Anyway, how can it be doubted that Chris Carter saw the big initial ratings of Twin Peaks and concluded people loved the idea of an FBI-based paranormal procedural WITHOUT a constant cast of people who had nothing to do with paranormal procedural investigations?
X-Files is basically a guy taking the part that worked in Twin Peaks and eliminating the stuff that didn't work.
Seriously, "Spooky" Mulder is very similar to Dale Cooper. Dale Cooper is also very, very open to alternative theories about the way the universe works, including stuff like Visions and Clues in Dreams and Omens and stuff.
PS, Twin Peaks also includes signals received from distant stars sending messages to Dale Cooper.
PPS, Twin Peaks also features David Duchovny as a DEA agent who works with the FBI sometimes. Sure, he's a transexual, but still, he's on the show. And sometimes he "cross-dresses" as a man for purposes of disguise.
Well, in a nod to Ace and the others, I don't doubt for a minute that the X-Files has a bit of a Lynchian vibe. But Chris Carter straight up said that the X-Files *was* inspired by Kolchak. In fact, that's why he'd call the non-alien related episodes "monster-of-the-week" eps.
sure it was, definitely. But consider this: Kolchak was an old show that never really did big ratings and was cancelled quickly. Sure, the monster of the week thing is from Kolchack.
But what about the evolving, expanding mythology part? That's Twin Peaks.
Also, Twin Peaks opened to explosive ratings, which they quickly lost, because Twin Peaks didn't understand at first what it needed it to be. People tuned in for the police procedural aspect (with weirdly obsessive and "spooky" FBI agent guiding a more skeptical, grounded partner -- sound familiar?) and then the mystery-with-supernatural overtones aspect.
But it hadn't been conceived that way-- it had been conceived as a sort of parody soap opera looking at the peaceful surface and the hidden chaos below a small town, with the murder just as the initial hook to explore that idea.
The public loved that part -- but the series was concieved as mostly about the pure soap opera angle.
This caused problems for the show as everything had to be about the murder, and most characters had no connection to it, but had to be given time-wasting bullshit to do.
Anyway, how can it be doubted that Chris Carter saw the big initial ratings of Twin Peaks and concluded people loved the idea of an FBI-based paranormal procedural WITHOUT a constant cast of people who had nothing to do with paranormal procedural investigations?
X-Files is basically a guy taking the part that worked in Twin Peaks and eliminating the stuff that didn't work.
Seriously, "Spooky" Mulder is very similar to Dale Cooper. Dale Cooper is also very, very open to alternative theories about the way the universe works, including stuff like Visions and Clues in Dreams and Omens and stuff.
PS, Twin Peaks also includes signals received from distant stars sending messages to Dale Cooper.
PPS, Twin Peaks also features David Duchovny as a DEA agent who works with the FBI sometimes. Sure, he's a transexual, but still, he's on the show. And sometimes he "cross-dresses" as a man for purposes of disguise.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 08:27 PM (8rNrN)
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also, I can't help but notice that while Twin Peaks was set in the Pacific Northwest, X Files just happened to be filmed there. (Over the border in Canada-- but still, same look. Same ominous deep-tonal music.)
Compare Dale Cooper explaining his method of using Zen rock throwing to tap the unconscious to find suspects to his skeptical, grounded partner Sheriff Truman to virtually any scene of Duchovny explaining some esoteric or parapsychological theory to the skeptical, grounded Scully.
Compare Dale Cooper explaining his method of using Zen rock throwing to tap the unconscious to find suspects to his skeptical, grounded partner Sheriff Truman to virtually any scene of Duchovny explaining some esoteric or parapsychological theory to the skeptical, grounded Scully.
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 08:30 PM (8rNrN)
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oh one more thing:
Not only does Cooper believe in aliens after a deep-space radio-emitting pulsar (or something) beams the message
THE OWLS ARE NOT WHAT THEY SEEM
COOPER COOPER COOPER COOPER COOPER
apparently addressed to him (The truth is out there, huh?), that bit of information is relayed by series regular Major Briggs, an Air Force officer who commands an unnamed deep-space monitoring station and who, oh yeah, as a younger officer just happened to be assigned to the Project Blue Book investigations into UFOs.
As Shawn and Gus would say: "Come on, son!"
Not only does Cooper believe in aliens after a deep-space radio-emitting pulsar (or something) beams the message
THE OWLS ARE NOT WHAT THEY SEEM
COOPER COOPER COOPER COOPER COOPER
apparently addressed to him (The truth is out there, huh?), that bit of information is relayed by series regular Major Briggs, an Air Force officer who commands an unnamed deep-space monitoring station and who, oh yeah, as a younger officer just happened to be assigned to the Project Blue Book investigations into UFOs.
As Shawn and Gus would say: "Come on, son!"
Posted by: ace at May 22, 2017 08:49 PM (8rNrN)
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I'm late to this but ace I watched all of both seasons with the soon to be WOPR wife.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 22, 2017 09:50 PM (J70i0)
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She's dead, wrapped in plastic.
Posted by: batter at May 22, 2017 11:04 PM (ZZqm7)
Posted by: batter at May 22, 2017 11:06 PM (ukwK8)
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i loved twin peaks, especially the silly stuff.
my aunt used to record it for me on the cspan channel.
so many characters to root for, lots of laughs and intrigue.
the head-into-the-mirror ruined the ending, but whatevs.
i adored the psych episode.
i'm buying the entire series because i dig shawn and gus and the gang.
i hope the season goes well and ace continues to write about it. i dug it when we did true detective season 1.
my aunt used to record it for me on the cspan channel.
so many characters to root for, lots of laughs and intrigue.
the head-into-the-mirror ruined the ending, but whatevs.
i adored the psych episode.
i'm buying the entire series because i dig shawn and gus and the gang.
i hope the season goes well and ace continues to write about it. i dug it when we did true detective season 1.
Posted by: concrete girl at May 23, 2017 01:07 AM (s26vG)
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Re: Supernatural
I watched all of it. This last season was weak as was the previous one. I forget but I think there was a decent one before that. Basically since they killed Bobby the show has been treading and retreading the same ground. (Or really since they you know averted the apocalypse and really what can be higher stakes in following seasons?)
I will watch it for the same reason I watch the Simpsons. Nostalgia for when the show was really great and occasional returns to near greatness.
No show since 2000 has made me laugh as much as Supernatural when they want to make me laugh or been as solid an action show when they want to do that. The bromance isn't for me but I think they do it well and the high school musical of it had me dying.
I watched all of it. This last season was weak as was the previous one. I forget but I think there was a decent one before that. Basically since they killed Bobby the show has been treading and retreading the same ground. (Or really since they you know averted the apocalypse and really what can be higher stakes in following seasons?)
I will watch it for the same reason I watch the Simpsons. Nostalgia for when the show was really great and occasional returns to near greatness.
No show since 2000 has made me laugh as much as Supernatural when they want to make me laugh or been as solid an action show when they want to do that. The bromance isn't for me but I think they do it well and the high school musical of it had me dying.
Posted by: MikeDropper at May 23, 2017 01:13 AM (HK7P2)
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To me the "The Cameo" was the Ace of Spades card surprise!
Posted by: MoJoTee at May 23, 2017 03:48 PM (vKbhP)
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