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Trump Ducks on Obamacare Cost Sharing; Won't Commit to Ending Them, Won't Commit to Keeping Them Forever, Either
As an end to the cost sharing arrangement could lead an even bigger exodus of insurers from their own business of selling insurance, which would of course be blamed on Trump, Trump is asking for another 90 days of cost sharing.
It seems like some bullets must be bitten.Comments
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That's helpful.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 22, 2017 02:43 PM (QQ+il)
2
Nd
Posted by: Clay at May 22, 2017 02:44 PM (fu1JC)
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Never expected that Trump was going to be able to untie the healthcare gordian knot. That was always going to have to be done by Republicans in congress. After the AHA, it was clear that they had no intention of trying either.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 22, 2017 02:45 PM (KUaJL)
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As long as the sunset period in only 3-4 years.... always understood you can do a hard close on this...
Posted by: phreshone at May 22, 2017 02:45 PM (DpOmP)
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Maybe the worthless shits in the GOP Establishment should get off their asses and REPEAL OBAMACARE?
Posted by: rd at May 22, 2017 02:45 PM (XSEwK)
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Have you annoyed your Senator today about repealing Obamacare?
Posted by: rd at May 22, 2017 02:46 PM (XSEwK)
Posted by: Limp Penis at May 22, 2017 02:46 PM (ODxAs)
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Temporary is the new forever.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 02:46 PM (DQ4Fv)
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Whatever...
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at May 22, 2017 02:47 PM (VfGfs)
10
Hillary Clinton will never be President
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 22, 2017 02:47 PM (ul9CR)
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Conceptual penis are more interesting....
Posted by: lindameh now flinging poo at May 22, 2017 02:47 PM (kufk0)
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rd, the Left is threatening their lives and their families.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at May 22, 2017 02:47 PM (fVY6E)
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Timing the final and complete tits up for Obamacare in midterm year 2018 rather than the year before might be a wise move. Slightly risky but might be worth it.
Posted by: Lester at May 22, 2017 02:47 PM (LfJIn)
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TH
Posted by: Scuba Dude at May 22, 2017 02:47 PM (Oq/TM)
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Maybe the worthless shits in the GOP Establishment should get off their asses and REPEAL OBAMACARE?
===
Eh ?
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Eh ?
Posted by: Geriatric Penis at May 22, 2017 02:48 PM (C52a9)
16
Ouch !
Posted by: A bullet at May 22, 2017 02:48 PM (IqV8l)
17
President Wilson, 1917:
"This temporary new tax on your income will only last for long enough to pay for the Great War! Scout's honor!"
"This temporary new tax on your income will only last for long enough to pay for the Great War! Scout's honor!"
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 02:48 PM (DQ4Fv)
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Wild Bill Dickcock
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 22, 2017 02:48 PM (wtvvX)
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No shrinkage here, yet, apparently.
Posted by: Cold Water Penis at May 22, 2017 02:48 PM (DMUuz)
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Considering that the Senate is working on their version of the bill the House passed, and then that the two will go into conference committee before getting voted on again, the idea of *not* throwing more things into the mixture makes sense.
ObamaCare is going to be cut down (if at all) piece by piece. There's too much emotion involved (I think) to be able to do otherwise.
ObamaCare is going to be cut down (if at all) piece by piece. There's too much emotion involved (I think) to be able to do otherwise.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet presents Ace and the Scream Machine at the County Fairgrounds at May 22, 2017 02:48 PM (hLRSq)
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And sometimes, the bullet bites you!
Posted by: Seth Rich at May 22, 2017 02:49 PM (jjaLl)
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We wanted "repeal"
We were promised "repeal and replace"
They are working on "repeal some and reform"
We're getting "keep and strengthen"
We were promised "repeal and replace"
They are working on "repeal some and reform"
We're getting "keep and strengthen"
Posted by: MAGA at May 22, 2017 02:49 PM (LQ1Q3)
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The last thread smells like dick.
Posted by: Jaws at May 22, 2017 02:49 PM (oOw3I)
24
President Nixon, 1972:
"This national 55mph speed limit will only last until we're out of the Oil Crisis. Guaranteed!"
"This national 55mph speed limit will only last until we're out of the Oil Crisis. Guaranteed!"
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 02:50 PM (DQ4Fv)
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Threats of violence? Fuck that shit, I've got carpet samples over here.
Posted by: AG Sessions at May 22, 2017 02:50 PM (BC5E+)
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Did someone mention thick, juicy love guns?
Posted by: Barack Obama at May 22, 2017 02:50 PM (jjaLl)
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As an end to the cost sharing arrangement could lead an even bigger exodus of insurers from their own business of selling insurance, which would of course be blamed on Trump,
He will be blamed regardless, because the insurance companies are anticipating his reckless acts, don't you see? Might as well just do it. OTOH, there may be some deep political chess happening which we don't know about. At this point, the only real choice is to assume he's doing all he can, or not.
He will be blamed regardless, because the insurance companies are anticipating his reckless acts, don't you see? Might as well just do it. OTOH, there may be some deep political chess happening which we don't know about. At this point, the only real choice is to assume he's doing all he can, or not.
Posted by: pep at May 22, 2017 02:50 PM (NrQPT)
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O'Care isn't going anyhere.. Mookowski and colins and a few others won't even allow a repeal go through reconciliation, much less a floor vote in it's current form.
And a more liberal version that would be acceptable to them will never make it by the Freedom Caucus in the House.
ping-pong...
And a more liberal version that would be acceptable to them will never make it by the Freedom Caucus in the House.
ping-pong...
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 22, 2017 02:50 PM (so+oy)
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The insurance companies made their Faustian bargain. Let them choke on it.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 22, 2017 02:50 PM (0mRoj)
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Where is the money for cost-sharing coming from? Is it from the law's requirement that money-making plans prop-up money-losing plans?
Or is it coming from outside the system, making it just another means of hiding the true cost of these plans?
If it's the former, it's stupid, but the law hasn't yet been repealed so let it go. If it's the latter, let it burn. Then use executive orders to clear the decks.
Or is it coming from outside the system, making it just another means of hiding the true cost of these plans?
If it's the former, it's stupid, but the law hasn't yet been repealed so let it go. If it's the latter, let it burn. Then use executive orders to clear the decks.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 22, 2017 02:50 PM (2lndx)
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 22, 2017 02:50 PM (+7/1f)
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Leaked! What Trump wrote on the note he put in the Wailing Wall:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/m8wp7fz
http://preview.tinyurl.com/m8wp7fz
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at May 22, 2017 02:50 PM (hMwEB)
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in the real world, listening to a webEx presentation.
Current slide "Other Performance Enhancements"
resisting urge to comment...
Current slide "Other Performance Enhancements"
resisting urge to comment...
Posted by: Yorkshire penis at May 22, 2017 02:51 PM (oGRue)
Posted by: Soona at May 22, 2017 02:51 PM (Fmupd)
35
President Wilson, 1917:
"This temporary new tax on your income will only last for long enough to pay for the Great War! Scout's honor!"
Posted by: zombie
The Great War that he ran on keeping us out of.
President Wilson, 1917:
"This temporary new tax on your income will only last for long enough to pay for the Great War! Scout's honor!"
Posted by: zombie
The Great War that he ran on keeping us out of.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2017 02:51 PM (IqV8l)
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The 11th Commandment-
What the Democrats giveth, no Republican can take it away
What the Democrats giveth, no Republican can take it away
Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2017 02:51 PM (Ot7+c)
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President Johnson, 1964:
"This temporary increase of US military advisors sent over to help the South Vietnamese will only last for a few months until they wrap up their civil war. Trust me!"
"This temporary increase of US military advisors sent over to help the South Vietnamese will only last for a few months until they wrap up their civil war. Trust me!"
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 02:52 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: Concerned Penis at May 22, 2017 02:52 PM (C52a9)
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Obamacare was designed to fail. It was a foot in the door to establish an entitlement which cannot be revoked.
Health care is now a right as far as most people are concerned.
California is moving into single-payer, and the nation will eventually follow.
Those who choose government care over liberty shall neither have nor deserve either.
Health care is now a right as far as most people are concerned.
California is moving into single-payer, and the nation will eventually follow.
Those who choose government care over liberty shall neither have nor deserve either.
Posted by: phineas gage at May 22, 2017 02:52 PM (XsVWn)
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I'd like to thank Obama (and the GOPe fuckheads that won't repeal this shit) for getting me accustomed to not having insurance and paying cash for all medical expenses.
Posted by: Lurking Moron at May 22, 2017 02:52 PM (1L9V9)
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I am hard as a rock.
Posted by: Crony Penis at May 22, 2017 02:52 PM (QQ+il)
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Looks like it took Trump's visit to the ME for shitheads like Glenn Thrush to realize Islamic countries may be chauvinist.
"When Obama was POTUS, Islam was totally inclusive!"
"When Obama was POTUS, Islam was totally inclusive!"
Posted by: gewa76 at May 22, 2017 02:52 PM (f4GSC)
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ObamaCare is going to be cut down (if at all) piece by piece. There's too much emotion involved (I think) to be able to do otherwise.
I don't know. I'd love to see the squishes and the Democrats forced to vote against a one to two-page law, easily understandable, that says people can buy (or not) the insurance they want to buy and pay for only the coverage they want to pay for, without penalty, and throughout the states; and sellers can sell them what they want without federal penalties.
I don't know. I'd love to see the squishes and the Democrats forced to vote against a one to two-page law, easily understandable, that says people can buy (or not) the insurance they want to buy and pay for only the coverage they want to pay for, without penalty, and throughout the states; and sellers can sell them what they want without federal penalties.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 22, 2017 02:53 PM (2lndx)
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Trending on Facebook, from MSN, Melania slapped away Trump's hand at Tel Aviv airport.
Posted by: blaster at May 22, 2017 02:53 PM (tFx3r)
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Personally, I believe the Republicans making O'Care the hill they must die on was kinda stupid. The private marketplace affects like 3% of the nation.
I would much rather they be working on tax reform.
I would much rather they be working on tax reform.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 22, 2017 02:53 PM (so+oy)
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I'd prefer to continue talking about various philosophical penises.
So let's talk about Anthony Weiner.
Apparently it's cool to blame the underage victim and accuse her of planning a political hitjob; at least, that's what The Hill believes.
http://tinyurl.com/ny72u8o
I have never heard of "WhoWhatWhy," and have no reason to believe it's any more rational than Patribotics.
So let's talk about Anthony Weiner.
Apparently it's cool to blame the underage victim and accuse her of planning a political hitjob; at least, that's what The Hill believes.
http://tinyurl.com/ny72u8o
I have never heard of "WhoWhatWhy," and have no reason to believe it's any more rational than Patribotics.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at May 22, 2017 02:53 PM (4df7R)
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Votermom,
***snort***
***snort***
Posted by: lindameh now flinging poo at May 22, 2017 02:53 PM (kufk0)
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Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at May 22, 2017 02:47 PM (fVY6E)
If you cannot do your job, resign.
Too many of the GOP SEnators are too old, too senile, and too corrupt to do their jobs representing their voters. Thad Cochran, Roberts, and John McCain are prime examples. They represent the Establishment and their donors, not their voters.
Fear? Threats?
Find one of these crazies and make an example out of him/her/it. They have the power, light up the cretins life. Hopefully the unhinged idiot will melt down in public.
If you cannot do your job, resign.
Too many of the GOP SEnators are too old, too senile, and too corrupt to do their jobs representing their voters. Thad Cochran, Roberts, and John McCain are prime examples. They represent the Establishment and their donors, not their voters.
Fear? Threats?
Find one of these crazies and make an example out of him/her/it. They have the power, light up the cretins life. Hopefully the unhinged idiot will melt down in public.
Posted by: rd at May 22, 2017 02:53 PM (XSEwK)
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Just execute the law Exactly as enacted. None of the bullshit extra-legal fixes to keep the turd floating.
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 22, 2017 02:54 PM (oGRue)
50
Trump is a pragmatic deal-making businessman.
If a deal is not to be had on healthcare, he'll move on.
If a deal is not to be had on healthcare, he'll move on.
Posted by: phineas gage at May 22, 2017 02:54 PM (XsVWn)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 22, 2017 02:54 PM (ODxAs)
52
President Obama, 2009:
"This temporary expansion of the Food Stamp program is just until all these needy families get back on their feet! I promise!"
"This temporary expansion of the Food Stamp program is just until all these needy families get back on their feet! I promise!"
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 02:55 PM (DQ4Fv)
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49 Just execute the law Exactly as enacted. None of the bullshit extra-legal fixes to keep the turd floating.
____________________________
Exactly.
____________________________
Exactly.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 22, 2017 02:55 PM (rezrg)
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Just like the tolls on toll roads are temporary until the tolls raised pay for the cost of building the road then the tolls will go away. Except it must take a century or two to pay off the roads
Just like the tolls on toll roads are temporary until the tolls raised pay for the cost of building the road then the tolls will go away. Except it must take a century or two to pay off the roads
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 22, 2017 02:55 PM (493sH)
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This might be a smart "carrot and stick" strategy to get some sort of reform through by keeping the "hostage" alive.
Especially to get the Chamber of Commerce wing to support some reforms if Insurance companies want their dough. Big Business seems to be the only people the GOP listens to anymore.
But this is why the GOP is batshit crazy not to do something about ObamaCare, when it collapses it will be blamed on the GOP as stuff like this comes crashing down.
We can't go on forever blaming Obama if "we" are in charge
Especially to get the Chamber of Commerce wing to support some reforms if Insurance companies want their dough. Big Business seems to be the only people the GOP listens to anymore.
But this is why the GOP is batshit crazy not to do something about ObamaCare, when it collapses it will be blamed on the GOP as stuff like this comes crashing down.
We can't go on forever blaming Obama if "we" are in charge
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 02:55 PM (zu/Gn)
56
Well at least we got the wall and tax reform. Wait.... nevermind.
Heh. At least ammo prices are down and the stock market up.
Heh. At least ammo prices are down and the stock market up.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 22, 2017 02:55 PM (QQ+il)
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HIS NAME WAS CONSPIRACY PENIS
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at May 22, 2017 02:56 PM (JTTMp)
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at May 22, 2017 02:56 PM (fVY6E)
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I called my GOPer congresscritter last week to complain about him not supporting Trump.
Straight to vm
Straight to vm
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at May 22, 2017 02:57 PM (hMwEB)
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I don't know. I'd love to see the squishes and the Democrats forced to vote against a one to two-page law, easily understandable, that says people can buy (or not) the insurance they want to buy and pay for only the coverage they want to pay for, without penalty, and throughout the states; and sellers can sell them what they want without federal penalties.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 22, 2017 02:53 PM (2lndx)
This. It would still bring out the craziness though.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 22, 2017 02:53 PM (2lndx)
This. It would still bring out the craziness though.
Posted by: Caesar's Penis at May 22, 2017 02:57 PM (ycWCI)
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54
Just like the tolls on toll roads are temporary until the tolls raised pay for the cost of building the road then the tolls will go away. Except it must take a century or two to pay off the roads
Posted by: TheQuietMan
New Jersey Turnpike Authority, 1951:
"This road will only have a toll on it until the construction costs are paid off in a few weeks!"
Just like the tolls on toll roads are temporary until the tolls raised pay for the cost of building the road then the tolls will go away. Except it must take a century or two to pay off the roads
Posted by: TheQuietMan
New Jersey Turnpike Authority, 1951:
"This road will only have a toll on it until the construction costs are paid off in a few weeks!"
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 02:58 PM (DQ4Fv)
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>>Apparently it's cool to blame the underage victim and accuse her of
planning a political hitjob; at least, that's what The Hill believes.
http://tinyurl.com/ny72u8o
Alinsky #4:
--- That sounds like slut-shaming, which we've been told is unacceptable!
--- Rape apologists!!!!!
--- Every victim must be believed!!
--- "So, does this mean I can get out of jail?" - Dudes snagged by 'To Catch a Predator'
planning a political hitjob; at least, that's what The Hill believes.
http://tinyurl.com/ny72u8o
Alinsky #4:
--- That sounds like slut-shaming, which we've been told is unacceptable!
--- Rape apologists!!!!!
--- Every victim must be believed!!
--- "So, does this mean I can get out of jail?" - Dudes snagged by 'To Catch a Predator'
Posted by: James Comey at May 22, 2017 02:58 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 02:58 PM (C52a9)
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Personally, I believe the Republicans making O'Care the hill they must die on was kinda stupid. The private marketplace affects like 3% of the nation.
I would much rather they be working on tax reform.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
______
I agree in part, if Trump's proposed tax plan goes through, it would easily offset several times my rising health care premiums as a result of ObamaCare.
Why can't they change the tax code to let ALL out of pocket health care expenses be tax deductible? That's how my state does it and that's how it is for corporations (not LLC's) it would be incredibly popular and give small business owners immediate relief.
I would much rather they be working on tax reform.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
______
I agree in part, if Trump's proposed tax plan goes through, it would easily offset several times my rising health care premiums as a result of ObamaCare.
Why can't they change the tax code to let ALL out of pocket health care expenses be tax deductible? That's how my state does it and that's how it is for corporations (not LLC's) it would be incredibly popular and give small business owners immediate relief.
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 02:58 PM (zu/Gn)
65
Golden Gate Bridge Commission, 1937:
"The bridge will have a 10-cent toll until it is paid off next year!"
"The bridge will have a 10-cent toll until it is paid off next year!"
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 02:59 PM (DQ4Fv)
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If Hillary was President, the GOP would once again repeal obamacare in its entirety. For the 27th time.
If Hillary was President, the GOP would once again repeal obamacare in its entirety. For the 27th time.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 22, 2017 03:00 PM (ODxAs)
67
Ocare has to crash and burn. It's the only way.
Posted by: Soona at May 22, 2017 03:00 PM (Fmupd)
68
"This road will only have a toll on it until the construction costs are paid off in a few weeks!"
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 02:58 PM (DQ4Fv)
It is funny. In Louisville, they have been talking about building a bridge on the east end forever. From what I understand, Indiana had the money in their budget and just wanted to pay for the bridges outright. Louisville/Kentucky INSISTED on tolls.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 02:58 PM (DQ4Fv)
It is funny. In Louisville, they have been talking about building a bridge on the east end forever. From what I understand, Indiana had the money in their budget and just wanted to pay for the bridges outright. Louisville/Kentucky INSISTED on tolls.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 22, 2017 03:00 PM (ycWCI)
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This is not the mons to die on.
Posted by: G.O.P-enis at May 22, 2017 03:00 PM (nHbAq)
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>>New Jersey Turnpike Authority, 1951:
"This road will only have a toll on it until the construction costs are paid off in a few weeks!"
"Hold my beer."
*initiates Big Dig*
"This road will only have a toll on it until the construction costs are paid off in a few weeks!"
"Hold my beer."
*initiates Big Dig*
Posted by: Mass Turnpike Authority at May 22, 2017 03:00 PM (NOIQH)
71
The last thread smells like dick.
Posted by: Jaws at May 22, 2017 02:49 PM (oOw3I)
You know this HOW exactly?
Posted by: Jaws at May 22, 2017 02:49 PM (oOw3I)
You know this HOW exactly?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 22, 2017 03:01 PM (z79tQ)
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Bolshevik Party, 1917:
"Once we redistribute all the wealth of the aristocrats, everything will get back to normal in a few months. Swearsies!"
"Once we redistribute all the wealth of the aristocrats, everything will get back to normal in a few months. Swearsies!"
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:01 PM (DQ4Fv)
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But if we don't regulate it, how do we shake them down for contributions?
Posted by: Unnamed Legislator at May 22, 2017 03:01 PM (oVJmc)
74
Permanent temporary stadium tax.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2017 03:02 PM (IqV8l)
75
Has anyone else seen the vid of Melania slapping Donald's hand away? I thought the report was BS but she does seem to push his hand away, and not very subtly at that.
Posted by: Gumby at May 22, 2017 03:02 PM (Sz3P3)
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How, oh how, did we ever exist as a nation for the 234 years before Obamacare was passed?
"We can't repeal it entirely now.
We have the needs of insurance company lobbyists to consider."
"We can't repeal it entirely now.
We have the needs of insurance company lobbyists to consider."
Posted by: . at May 22, 2017 03:02 PM (rezrg)
77
>>>Ask yourself this question: if Hillary had won, what would the GOP be doing right now?
Having a sweaty, twenty-man Circle Jerk on a copy of the Constitution??
Having a sweaty, twenty-man Circle Jerk on a copy of the Constitution??
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at May 22, 2017 03:03 PM (jjaLl)
78
Just like the tolls on toll roads are temporary until the tolls raised pay for the cost of building the road then the tolls will go away. Except it must take a century or two to pay off the roads
Then the tolls are needed to maintain the roads
Then the tolls are needed to repair the roads
Then they add gas tax to keep repairing the roads
Then the tolls are needed to maintain the roads
Then the tolls are needed to repair the roads
Then they add gas tax to keep repairing the roads
Posted by: McCool at May 22, 2017 03:03 PM (sZaoP)
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http://preview.tinyurl.com/m8wp7fz
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at May 22, 2017 02:50 PM (hMwEB)
*chuckles*
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at May 22, 2017 02:50 PM (hMwEB)
*chuckles*
Posted by: Emmie at May 22, 2017 03:03 PM (ZapPq)
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Gad Saad tries to read the abstract of turgid conceptual climate change.
https://youtu.be/lMv8-uPqZ5M
NSFW
https://youtu.be/lMv8-uPqZ5M
NSFW
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 22, 2017 03:04 PM (VdICR)
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Has anyone else seen the vid of Melania slapping Donald's hand away? I thought the report was BS but she does seem to push his hand away, and not very subtly at that.
Posted by: gewa76 at May 22, 2017 03:04 PM (f4GSC)
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Never expected that Trump was going to be able to untie the healthcare gordian knot. That was always going to have to be done by Republicans in congress. After the AHA, it was clear that they had no intention of trying either.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 22, 2017 02:45 PM (KUaJL)
Oh, what a tangles web we create
When we first practice to regulate!
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 22, 2017 02:45 PM (KUaJL)
Oh, what a tangles web we create
When we first practice to regulate!
Posted by: The Political Hat at May 22, 2017 03:04 PM (rUIbB)
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Has anyone else seen the vid of Melania slapping Donald's hand away? I thought the report was BS but she does seem to push his hand away, and not very subtly at that.
Insert rolling eyes emoji here.
Insert rolling eyes emoji here.
Posted by: gewa76 at May 22, 2017 03:04 PM (f4GSC)
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Zimbabwean rebels, 1979:
"It will take just a couple weeks to divide all the Rhodesian farms among the poor peasants, after which the economy will start booming!"
"It will take just a couple weeks to divide all the Rhodesian farms among the poor peasants, after which the economy will start booming!"
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:04 PM (DQ4Fv)
85
We need conceptual healthcare for conceptual penises with conceptual cost sharing, conceptually.
Posted by: The Conceptual Hat at May 22, 2017 03:05 PM (rUIbB)
86
The boning continues.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 22, 2017 03:05 PM (QQ+il)
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Has anyone else seen the vid of Melania slapping Donald's hand away? I thought the report was BS but she does seem to push his hand away, and not very subtly at that.
Posted by: Gumby at May 22, 2017 03:02 PM (Sz3P3)
If we could put spin on events like the left, we would blowing this off as a case of them not-so-surreptiously exchanging a low five (versus a high five).
Posted by: Gumby at May 22, 2017 03:02 PM (Sz3P3)
If we could put spin on events like the left, we would blowing this off as a case of them not-so-surreptiously exchanging a low five (versus a high five).
Posted by: Country Singer at May 22, 2017 03:05 PM (uiwCw)
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I not particularly concerned about tax reform. And every president wants to do it.
give me spending reform.
give me spending reform.
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 22, 2017 03:05 PM (oGRue)
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 03:05 PM (C52a9)
90
81 Has anyone else seen the vid of Melania slapping Donald's hand away? I thought the report was BS but she does seem to push his hand away, and not very subtly at that.
Posted by: gewa76
Finally, an impeachable offense!
Posted by: gewa76
Finally, an impeachable offense!
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:05 PM (DQ4Fv)
91
The Federal Telephone Excise Tax. Enacted to pay for the Spanish American War. Repealed when the war ended...in 2006.
Posted by: Carlos Danger at May 22, 2017 03:06 PM (qJhUV)
92
The RINOs have no intention of getting rid if it.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 22, 2017 03:06 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Mass Turnpike Authority at May 22, 2017 03:06 PM (NOIQH)
94
My god, before you repeal Obamacare, think of the poor lobbyists that will be devastated.
How will they afford the lifestyle for which they have become accustomed?
To send a lobbyist out into the world with just one yacht and one summer home is madness!
Good god, man. Think of his portfolio managers.
How will they afford the lifestyle for which they have become accustomed?
To send a lobbyist out into the world with just one yacht and one summer home is madness!
Good god, man. Think of his portfolio managers.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 22, 2017 03:06 PM (rezrg)
95
If you (Congress) don't have the balls to end this cost sharing bullshit entirely, then cut the damned fund in half for 90 days, then in half again, and again, and again.
These people MUST be weaned off the gubmint teat!
It's better to rip the damned bandage off quickly.
Sigh....
These people MUST be weaned off the gubmint teat!
It's better to rip the damned bandage off quickly.
Sigh....
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 22, 2017 03:07 PM (8iiMU)
96
I'm not a policy wonk, but it looks like if Republicans wanted to be spineless, at a minimum they could "freeze" Obamacare of new enrollment with the subsidized plans and gradually figure out a way to get those depending on it back on a private plan without "throwing" them off their current plan.
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 03:07 PM (zu/Gn)
97
Slim Pickens: Somebody's gotta go back and get a shit-load of dimes.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 22, 2017 03:07 PM (VdICR)
98
91 The Federal Telephone Excise Tax. Enacted to pay for the Spanish American War. Repealed when the war ended...in 2006.
Posted by: Carlos Danger
Good example!
Posted by: Carlos Danger
Good example!
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:07 PM (DQ4Fv)
99
You know what I am happy about?
Not having to listen to 9000 soundbites of Prince Barky the Magnificent begging someone, anyone to let him be clear.
Not having to listen to 9000 soundbites of Prince Barky the Magnificent begging someone, anyone to let him be clear.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 03:08 PM (C52a9)
100
yo zombie. are you Chinese or Japanse ?
Posted by: KansasCJ at May 22, 2017 03:08 PM (Mtj6H)
101
If we could put spin on events like the left, we would blowing this off as a case of them not-so-surreptiously exchanging a low five (versus a high five).
Posted by: Country Singer at May 22, 2017 03:05 PM
exactly. that's the first thing I thought when I saw it
Posted by: Country Singer at May 22, 2017 03:05 PM
exactly. that's the first thing I thought when I saw it
Posted by: AltonJackson at May 22, 2017 03:08 PM (ZQfW9)
102
93 >>Has anyone else seen the vid of Melania slapping Donald's hand away?
___________________________________
Oh, you naughty billionaire President of the United States!
93 >>Has anyone else seen the vid of Melania slapping Donald's hand away?
___________________________________
Oh, you naughty billionaire President of the United States!
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 22, 2017 03:08 PM (rezrg)
103
The only thing Obamacare has done for the average American is send his insurance premiums through the roof. That is just so a trifling small number can get it for free when we already had Medicaid.
Socialism has never worked and this will crash the system in the end.
Socialism has never worked and this will crash the system in the end.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 22, 2017 03:09 PM (mpXpK)
104
The Federal Telephone Excise Tax. Enacted to pay for the Spanish American War. Repealed when the war ended...in 2006.
Posted by: Carlos Danger
The Spaniards fought to the last man.
The Federal Telephone Excise Tax. Enacted to pay for the Spanish American War. Repealed when the war ended...in 2006.
Posted by: Carlos Danger
The Spaniards fought to the last man.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2017 03:09 PM (IqV8l)
105
"It seems like some bullets must be bitten."
This is what the left, MFM, RINO's and the general public cannot come to terms with. For every winner there must be a loser, that loser is usually the taxpayer. If Trump can somehow pawn some of the pain on the insurers who rather gleefully bed with the devil - then great. Otherwise Repubs will get beaten over the head with this mess in 2018.
This will be a never ending circle jerk of a cluster fuck for years to come.
This is what the left, MFM, RINO's and the general public cannot come to terms with. For every winner there must be a loser, that loser is usually the taxpayer. If Trump can somehow pawn some of the pain on the insurers who rather gleefully bed with the devil - then great. Otherwise Repubs will get beaten over the head with this mess in 2018.
This will be a never ending circle jerk of a cluster fuck for years to come.
Posted by: dananjcon at May 22, 2017 03:09 PM (WLK0w)
106
Why are there never, ever any numbers associated with this "Cost-sharing" (an odious euphemism if I ever saw one)?
Just how many pallets of cash are we sending the insurance companies, anyway?
Just how many pallets of cash are we sending the insurance companies, anyway?
Posted by: The Left at May 22, 2017 03:09 PM (1Rgee)
107
>>Has anyone else seen the vid of Melania slapping Donald's hand away?>>>
That frame by frame analysis was what keeps journalists too busy to report on real things.
That frame by frame analysis was what keeps journalists too busy to report on real things.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 22, 2017 03:10 PM (r5KeJ)
108
Has anyone else seen the vid of Melania slapping Donald's hand away?
Back ... and to the left ... back ... and to the left ...
Back ... and to the left ... back ... and to the left ...
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 22, 2017 03:10 PM (QQ+il)
109
The only thing Obamacare has done for the average American is send his insurance premiums through the roof.
But has the average American who gets it through his employer been effected?
The only thing Obamacare has done for the average American is send his insurance premiums through the roof.
But has the average American who gets it through his employer been effected?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2017 03:11 PM (IqV8l)
110
"SlapGate"
This phrase is wholly-owned property of MortCorp, Inc. and is not to be used in whole or in part for publication or rebroadcast without the express permission of MortCorp, Inc.
This phrase is wholly-owned property of MortCorp, Inc. and is not to be used in whole or in part for publication or rebroadcast without the express permission of MortCorp, Inc.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 03:11 PM (C52a9)
111
"Has anyone else seen the vid of Melania slapping Donald's hand away? I
thought the report was BS but she does seem to push his hand away, and
not very subtly at that."
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On the contrary, it looks very subtle to me, and the videos that have to push in and slow it down and go over it over and over just to make it register testifies to how subtle it is.
Also who cares? "BREAKING: Wife Annoyed By Something Husband Does?"
thought the report was BS but she does seem to push his hand away, and
not very subtly at that."
=======
On the contrary, it looks very subtle to me, and the videos that have to push in and slow it down and go over it over and over just to make it register testifies to how subtle it is.
Also who cares? "BREAKING: Wife Annoyed By Something Husband Does?"
Posted by: Kensington at May 22, 2017 03:11 PM (Cw3TC)
112
The Federal Telephone Excise Tax. Enacted to pay for the Spanish American War. Repealed when the war ended...in 2006.
Posted by: Carlos Danger
The Spaniards fought to the last man.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2017 03:09 PM (IqV8l)
They can have Puerto Rico back
Posted by: Carlos Danger
The Spaniards fought to the last man.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2017 03:09 PM (IqV8l)
They can have Puerto Rico back
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 22, 2017 03:11 PM (493sH)
113
Ah, Obamacare. The 800lbs dingleberry on America's conceptual ass.
Posted by: Fritz at May 22, 2017 03:12 PM (2Mnv1)
114
You realize what is going to happen?
The Democrats passed Obamacare and were decimated. Hundreds were voted out of office. But they added a great new entitlement system to government. Success for them!
The Republicans are voted in to power based on repealing Obamacare. They miserably fail. Obamacare Collapses! Republicans are blamed.
Republicans are about to be voted out of office for not repealing Obamacare, not building a Wall, and not Reforming Taxes. WHY?
Democrats take over, and we get the British NHS Healthcare. We get VA Care for Everybody. Singlepayer Government Healthcare.
The Democrats passed Obamacare and were decimated. Hundreds were voted out of office. But they added a great new entitlement system to government. Success for them!
The Republicans are voted in to power based on repealing Obamacare. They miserably fail. Obamacare Collapses! Republicans are blamed.
Republicans are about to be voted out of office for not repealing Obamacare, not building a Wall, and not Reforming Taxes. WHY?
Democrats take over, and we get the British NHS Healthcare. We get VA Care for Everybody. Singlepayer Government Healthcare.
Posted by: rd at May 22, 2017 03:12 PM (XSEwK)
115
So considering this program is illegal, and has already lost in court, how long until the law is actually enforced and these illegal payments are stopped by a court?
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 03:12 PM (zu/Gn)
116
>>Has anyone else seen the vid of Melania slapping Donald's hand away?
*whistles*
*thanks God the MSM never cared where his hands were*
*whistles*
*thanks God the MSM never cared where his hands were*
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 22, 2017 03:12 PM (NOIQH)
117
Also who cares? "BREAKING: Wife Annoyed By Something Husband Does?"
Posted by: Kensington at May 22, 2017 03:11 PM (Cw3TC)
He was obviously trying to grab her pussy.
Posted by: Kensington at May 22, 2017 03:11 PM (Cw3TC)
He was obviously trying to grab her pussy.
Posted by: Emmie at May 22, 2017 03:13 PM (ZapPq)
118
Has anyone else seen the vid of Melania slapping Donald's hand away?
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where was the secret service?
--
where was the secret service?
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 22, 2017 03:13 PM (oGRue)
119
Has anyone else seen the vid of Melania slapping Donald's hand away?
Obviously she hates him! Maybe she'll smother him with a pillow in his sleep and Hillary can be president!
Obviously she hates him! Maybe she'll smother him with a pillow in his sleep and Hillary can be president!
Posted by: Lefty Lefterrson: Lefty Wet Dreamer at May 22, 2017 03:13 PM (qJhUV)
120
@78
Then they jack the gas tax up because they raided the highway fund to pay for other shit.
I can't wait for the new Dem Governor to get sworn in the very first thing he and the donk legislature is going to do is "fix" the Teachers Pension problem that was caused by the political class giving sweet heart deals then not funding a god damn thing.
Then they jack the gas tax up because they raided the highway fund to pay for other shit.
I can't wait for the new Dem Governor to get sworn in the very first thing he and the donk legislature is going to do is "fix" the Teachers Pension problem that was caused by the political class giving sweet heart deals then not funding a god damn thing.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 03:13 PM (CPYQe)
121
The Republicans are voted in to power based on repealing Obamacare.
True.
They miserably fail.
False.
True.
They miserably fail.
False.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 03:13 PM (C52a9)
122
rd, the Left is threatening their lives and their families.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at May 22, 2017 02:47 PM (fVY6E)
Just finished watching the documentary 'Cartel Land'. Those people who stood up to the cartels had their lives and families threatened and--more often than not--had them taken, too. Yet more brave people stood up to take their place.
It's a terrible thing to be threatened. I understand the fear people feel when a nutjob sends a nasty tweet or makes an anonymous obscene phone call or--like that crazy lady a few weeks ago--follows them and tries to drive them off the road and what have you.
All that said, if some Republican politicians feel they are too intimidated to do their job then they need to resign so that someone who isn't too intimidated to do their job can do their job.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at May 22, 2017 02:47 PM (fVY6E)
Just finished watching the documentary 'Cartel Land'. Those people who stood up to the cartels had their lives and families threatened and--more often than not--had them taken, too. Yet more brave people stood up to take their place.
It's a terrible thing to be threatened. I understand the fear people feel when a nutjob sends a nasty tweet or makes an anonymous obscene phone call or--like that crazy lady a few weeks ago--follows them and tries to drive them off the road and what have you.
All that said, if some Republican politicians feel they are too intimidated to do their job then they need to resign so that someone who isn't too intimidated to do their job can do their job.
Posted by: troyriser at May 22, 2017 03:14 PM (Fw5cQ)
123
Bannon and Priebus back to DC, because of this or Kim Dotcom?
Posted by: Jean at May 22, 2017 03:14 PM (9TU00)
124
We can't go on forever blaming Obama if "we" are in charge.
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 02:55 PM
I've got a bridge for sale, if you're interested.
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 02:55 PM
I've got a bridge for sale, if you're interested.
Posted by: G. W. Bush at May 22, 2017 03:15 PM (DMUuz)
125
This lewd behavior by Trump, in public, will finish his political career. There is no escape from this. He's finished. It's over. Practice saying President Pence.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at May 22, 2017 03:15 PM (HaiVK)
126
But has the average American who gets it through his employer been effected?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
______
Yes, their premiums have gone WAY up as well.
If ObamaCare only effected people outside employer provided insurance, politically it would be too small to matter.
I am a small business owner, I've just come to the conclusion it's a new tax on me that's here to stay.
Hopefully Trump can lower my income taxes and I will come out ahead.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
______
Yes, their premiums have gone WAY up as well.
If ObamaCare only effected people outside employer provided insurance, politically it would be too small to matter.
I am a small business owner, I've just come to the conclusion it's a new tax on me that's here to stay.
Hopefully Trump can lower my income taxes and I will come out ahead.
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 03:15 PM (zu/Gn)
127
But has the average American who gets it through his employer been effected?
Yes, but of course the costs have been hidden. The ACA is raised the cost of providing insurance to employees, which means that employees don't get as much income and/or the companies they work for are less stable.
RealClearHealth analysis in nic.
Yes, but of course the costs have been hidden. The ACA is raised the cost of providing insurance to employees, which means that employees don't get as much income and/or the companies they work for are less stable.
RealClearHealth analysis in nic.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 22, 2017 03:16 PM (2lndx)
128
President Johnson, 1964:
"This temporary increase of US military advisors sent over to help
the South Vietnamese will only last for a few months until they wrap up
their civil war. Trust me!"
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 02:52 PM
I think not.
-Conceptual Johnson, 2017
"This temporary increase of US military advisors sent over to help
the South Vietnamese will only last for a few months until they wrap up
their civil war. Trust me!"
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 02:52 PM
I think not.
-Conceptual Johnson, 2017
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 22, 2017 03:16 PM (p+Wdc)
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 03:16 PM (C52a9)
130
I'm glad people are on Twitter excoriating the idiots over the "hand slap." Most are saying it looks like a "low five" to them.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 22, 2017 03:16 PM (vg8iE)
131
The only thing Obamacare has done for the average American is send his insurance premiums through the roof.
But has the average American who gets it through his employer been effected?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot
With 92M out of the workforce, the "average American" doesn't have an employer.
But has the average American who gets it through his employer been effected?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot
With 92M out of the workforce, the "average American" doesn't have an employer.
Posted by: Jean at May 22, 2017 03:16 PM (9TU00)
132
Free health care's a fuckin' basic human right, don'cha know?
Best thing the progs ever did for themselves. That, and abortion.
Oh, I forgot gay marriage.
They locked in the empathy thing, and made the rest of us monsters. The deplorable other. Haters.
Best thing the progs ever did for themselves. That, and abortion.
Oh, I forgot gay marriage.
They locked in the empathy thing, and made the rest of us monsters. The deplorable other. Haters.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 22, 2017 03:16 PM (U6f54)
133
Looks like it'll be an early night for Trump...on the sofa
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 22, 2017 03:16 PM (oGRue)
134
Then they jack the gas tax up because they raided the highway fund to pay for other shit.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 03:13 PM
Only you ungrateful freeloaders complain about that.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 03:13 PM
Only you ungrateful freeloaders complain about that.
Posted by: Jerry "Guv'ner" Brown at May 22, 2017 03:17 PM (DMUuz)
135
Yes, their premiums have gone WAY up as well.
If ObamaCare only effected people outside employer provided insurance, politically it would be too small to matter.
I am a small business owner, I've just come to the conclusion it's a new tax on me that's here to stay.
Hopefully Trump can lower my income taxes and I will come out ahead.
Posted by: Maritime
..............
Insurance costs were going up fast before Obamacare as well.. Not sure if it is even possible to calculate the O'Care effect on employer-based plans.
If ObamaCare only effected people outside employer provided insurance, politically it would be too small to matter.
I am a small business owner, I've just come to the conclusion it's a new tax on me that's here to stay.
Hopefully Trump can lower my income taxes and I will come out ahead.
Posted by: Maritime
..............
Insurance costs were going up fast before Obamacare as well.. Not sure if it is even possible to calculate the O'Care effect on employer-based plans.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 22, 2017 03:18 PM (so+oy)
136
@114
The why is because for the most part, the Republican party, at least for the last 15 years at the fed level, is an illigitimate political party.
It's chock full of RINOS, mavericks, fucktards, free agents, perverts and other flotsum and jetsum.
It does not exist to advance an agenda that is counter to the dominant Democrat agenda that has existed and been promulgated for the last 75 years.
The why is because for the most part, the Republican party, at least for the last 15 years at the fed level, is an illigitimate political party.
It's chock full of RINOS, mavericks, fucktards, free agents, perverts and other flotsum and jetsum.
It does not exist to advance an agenda that is counter to the dominant Democrat agenda that has existed and been promulgated for the last 75 years.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 03:18 PM (CPYQe)
137
Lot of Concern[tm] in the comments today. Is that a new thing?
Posted by: Kensington at May 22, 2017 03:18 PM (Cw3TC)
138
109 But has the average American who gets it through his employer been effected?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2017 03:11 PM (IqV8l)
Yes, my insurance was coming from employer and my contributions tripled and the coverage decreased.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2017 03:11 PM (IqV8l)
Yes, my insurance was coming from employer and my contributions tripled and the coverage decreased.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 22, 2017 03:18 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 03:18 PM (C52a9)
140
I just saw the hand slap thing, its nothing.
It looked more like "we're not supposed to hold hands at this part of the ceremony" than "I hate you!"
It looked more like "we're not supposed to hold hands at this part of the ceremony" than "I hate you!"
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 03:19 PM (zu/Gn)
141
The Republicans are voted in to power based on repealing Obamacare. They miserably fail. Obamacare Collapses! Republicans are blamed.
Republicans are about to be voted out of office for not repealing Obamacare, not building a Wall, and not Reforming Taxes. WHY?
Democrats take over, and we get the British NHS Healthcare. We get VA Care for Everybody. Singlepayer Government Healthcare.
Posted by: rd at May 22, 2017 03:12 PM (XSEwK)
If the GOP repeals outright with nothing else... Dems/MSM will blame everything on GOP, resulting in Dem majorities that will impose national socialist healthcare.
If the GOP doesn't repeal at all... Dems/MSM will blame everything on GOP, resulting in Dem majorities that will impose national socialist healthcare.
If the GOP "repeals and replaces" or otherwise tries to fix it... Dems/MSM will blame everything on GOP, resulting in Dem majorities that will impose national socialist healthcare.
The only real way out of this is to sunset Obamacare over some lengthy period of time with grandfathering of plans, while concomitantly overhauling healthcare/medical regulations and laws to allow the maximum amount of freedom to innovate. At such time as Obamacare finally phases out, the possibility of minor and much less intrusive government intervention can be dangled to dismiss "wanting poor people to die" arguments.
This give the free market a chance to adapt and succeed without any plausible complaint that people are being thrown to eeevil corporate H8rz or something.
Republicans are about to be voted out of office for not repealing Obamacare, not building a Wall, and not Reforming Taxes. WHY?
Democrats take over, and we get the British NHS Healthcare. We get VA Care for Everybody. Singlepayer Government Healthcare.
Posted by: rd at May 22, 2017 03:12 PM (XSEwK)
If the GOP repeals outright with nothing else... Dems/MSM will blame everything on GOP, resulting in Dem majorities that will impose national socialist healthcare.
If the GOP doesn't repeal at all... Dems/MSM will blame everything on GOP, resulting in Dem majorities that will impose national socialist healthcare.
If the GOP "repeals and replaces" or otherwise tries to fix it... Dems/MSM will blame everything on GOP, resulting in Dem majorities that will impose national socialist healthcare.
The only real way out of this is to sunset Obamacare over some lengthy period of time with grandfathering of plans, while concomitantly overhauling healthcare/medical regulations and laws to allow the maximum amount of freedom to innovate. At such time as Obamacare finally phases out, the possibility of minor and much less intrusive government intervention can be dangled to dismiss "wanting poor people to die" arguments.
This give the free market a chance to adapt and succeed without any plausible complaint that people are being thrown to eeevil corporate H8rz or something.
Posted by: The Medical Hat at May 22, 2017 03:19 PM (rUIbB)
142
The Republicans' stance on Obamacare, summarized in four simple words by the brilliant Michael Ramirez.
http://tinyurl.com/zrovzk5
http://tinyurl.com/zrovzk5
Posted by: torquewrench at May 22, 2017 03:19 PM (ujwCG)
143
Afternoon all,
I have a question for y'all: I just received something from the Census bureau stating that my address was selected for a survey, and that I am legally required to answer it. I'm not seeing how it is legal for the US government to compel me to answer questions like this, but I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know?
I'm mostly concerned because they state, over and over, that my information is secure with them, and that all of the officials take oaths to protect the privacy of American citizens and their information. I was part of the OPM breach, so I know for a fact that is a load of horse manure, so my inclination to toss this in the shred pile is starting to sound better and better.
Thoughts?
I have a question for y'all: I just received something from the Census bureau stating that my address was selected for a survey, and that I am legally required to answer it. I'm not seeing how it is legal for the US government to compel me to answer questions like this, but I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know?
I'm mostly concerned because they state, over and over, that my information is secure with them, and that all of the officials take oaths to protect the privacy of American citizens and their information. I was part of the OPM breach, so I know for a fact that is a load of horse manure, so my inclination to toss this in the shred pile is starting to sound better and better.
Thoughts?
Posted by: moki at May 22, 2017 03:20 PM (V+V48)
144
100 yo zombie. are you Chinese or Japanse ?
Posted by: KansasCJ
More of an Ainu/Burmese/Hazara mix.
Posted by: KansasCJ
More of an Ainu/Burmese/Hazara mix.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:21 PM (DQ4Fv)
145
Is there a gif of the handslap yet?
Posted by: lindameh now flinging poo at May 22, 2017 03:21 PM (kufk0)
146
Sounds like a scam.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 22, 2017 03:21 PM (VdICR)
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:21 PM (DQ4Fv)
148
the Republican party, at least for the last 15 years at the fed level, is an illigitimate political party.
It's chock full of RINOS, mavericks, fucktards, free agents, perverts and other flotsum and jetsum.
Hey, Blazing Saddles !
the Republican party, at least for the last 15 years at the fed level, is an illigitimate political party.
It's chock full of RINOS, mavericks, fucktards, free agents, perverts and other flotsum and jetsum.
Hey, Blazing Saddles !
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2017 03:21 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 03:21 PM (C52a9)
150
Insurance costs were going up fast before Obamacare as well.. Not sure
if it is even possible to calculate the O'Care effect on employer-based
plans.>>>
Health Insurance has been a Fed up system for a long time. And it gets worse with each govt fix. Obamacare was the worst way to fix the already broken system. Leaving a form of it in place dooms us all to Single payer.
if it is even possible to calculate the O'Care effect on employer-based
plans.>>>
Health Insurance has been a Fed up system for a long time. And it gets worse with each govt fix. Obamacare was the worst way to fix the already broken system. Leaving a form of it in place dooms us all to Single payer.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 22, 2017 03:22 PM (r5KeJ)
151
I would love to get my Senators involved in the process of repealing and replacing Obamacare. The problem being my Senators are Feinstein and Harris and I'd be wasting my time.
Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at May 22, 2017 03:22 PM (0/1SX)
152
Insurance costs were going up fast before Obamacare as well.. Not sure if it is even possible to calculate the O'Care effect on employer-based plans.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
_________
Not nearly at that level.
And people are having to get coverage mandated that they weren't previously instead of something more tailored to them. Plus now "kids" up to 26 get covered, etc
It's not really a debate anymore among the Left or the Right that it drastically shot up premiums. The debate now is "social justice" type themes
if somebody is getting something free, someone else is paying for it
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
_________
Not nearly at that level.
And people are having to get coverage mandated that they weren't previously instead of something more tailored to them. Plus now "kids" up to 26 get covered, etc
It's not really a debate anymore among the Left or the Right that it drastically shot up premiums. The debate now is "social justice" type themes
if somebody is getting something free, someone else is paying for it
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 03:22 PM (zu/Gn)
153
so my inclination to toss this in the shred pile is starting to sound better and better.
Thoughts?
Posted by: moki
...........
They will keep sending them.. I tossed the first few last time they did this... the wording gets stronger each time.
Thoughts?
Posted by: moki
...........
They will keep sending them.. I tossed the first few last time they did this... the wording gets stronger each time.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 22, 2017 03:22 PM (so+oy)
154
Still not Hillary.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 22, 2017 03:22 PM (vRcUp)
155
Has CNN brought in their body language expert yet to explain how the hand slap is proof of Russian collusion?
Posted by: gewa76 at May 22, 2017 03:22 PM (f4GSC)
156
Moki,
What census survey????**owl blink**
What census survey????**owl blink**
Posted by: lindameh now flinging poo at May 22, 2017 03:23 PM (kufk0)
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But has the average American who gets it through his employer been effected?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2017 03:11 PM (IqV8l)
***
Yup,
My deductible has skyrocketed up to 4,700, Unfortunately my wife is a
diabetic so we pay into every bit of that 4,700(family) not including
prescriptions.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2017 03:11 PM (IqV8l)
***
Yup,
My deductible has skyrocketed up to 4,700, Unfortunately my wife is a
diabetic so we pay into every bit of that 4,700(family) not including
prescriptions.
Posted by: dananjcon at May 22, 2017 03:23 PM (WLK0w)
158
speaking of painful negotiations, I'm about to start leasing my first car. And like us here, I'm going to get screwed and not in the fun way.
Any suggestions on how I can lubricate the process (see what I did there?) would be welcome.
I am not Trump. I am not Shatner. I suck at negotiation.
Any suggestions on how I can lubricate the process (see what I did there?) would be welcome.
I am not Trump. I am not Shatner. I suck at negotiation.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 03:23 PM (3OIiX)
159
Insurance costs were going up fast before Obamacare as well.. Not sure if it is even possible to calculate the O'Care effect on employer-based plans.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 22, 2017 03:18 PM (so+oy)
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My employee-based premiums were pretty steady (and very affordable) until Ocare started fucking things up. Disagree with your comment.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 22, 2017 03:18 PM (so+oy)
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My employee-based premiums were pretty steady (and very affordable) until Ocare started fucking things up. Disagree with your comment.
Posted by: Soona at May 22, 2017 03:23 PM (Fmupd)
160
Then they jack the gas tax up because they raided the highway fund to pay for other shit.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 03:13 PM
Only you ungrateful freeloaders complain about that.
Posted by: Jerry "Guv'ner" Brown
Freeloader = Taxpayer
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 03:13 PM
Only you ungrateful freeloaders complain about that.
Posted by: Jerry "Guv'ner" Brown
Freeloader = Taxpayer
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 03:23 PM (utT6Q)
161
I would say another extension or two is reasonable to have people study the issue. Anymore after that though would be a problem.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 22, 2017 03:23 PM (le7jz)
162
yeah, but at least we are getting the wall on the border so the Dem's can't keep bringing in the drug/human trafficking scum.
At least the treasonous Clinton crime family is being prosecuted for crimes the whole nation recognizes.
At least the Goldman Sachs cheats that sold out their clients and bribed the SP ratings while they got out of their leveraged housing bonanza positions .. at least some of them are being jailed.
And HSBC execs that laundered billions for drug cartels are finally going to prison, along with Lynch their enabler, and Comey that was an HSBC exec at the time..
Right? AMIRight? Cuz if that all wasn't happening I'd think the DC/NY mafia is still going global. Thankfully Soros is on his way to prison, and those under his thumb (Kushner cough!) are now free.
At least the treasonous Clinton crime family is being prosecuted for crimes the whole nation recognizes.
At least the Goldman Sachs cheats that sold out their clients and bribed the SP ratings while they got out of their leveraged housing bonanza positions .. at least some of them are being jailed.
And HSBC execs that laundered billions for drug cartels are finally going to prison, along with Lynch their enabler, and Comey that was an HSBC exec at the time..
Right? AMIRight? Cuz if that all wasn't happening I'd think the DC/NY mafia is still going global. Thankfully Soros is on his way to prison, and those under his thumb (Kushner cough!) are now free.
Posted by: Illiniwek at May 22, 2017 03:23 PM (TmCOq)
163
143 Afternoon all,
I have a question for y'all: I just received something from the Census bureau stating that my address was selected for a survey, and that I am legally required to answer it. I'm not seeing how it is legal for the US government to compel me to answer questions like this, but I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know?
I'm mostly concerned because they state, over and over, that my information is secure with them, and that all of the officials take oaths to protect the privacy of American citizens and their information. I was part of the OPM breach, so I know for a fact that is a load of horse manure, so my inclination to toss this in the shred pile is starting to sound better and better.
Thoughts?
Posted by: moki at May 22, 2017 03:20 PM (V+V4
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Ignore it. Unless they sent it "Certified," they can't prove you ever received it.
I have a question for y'all: I just received something from the Census bureau stating that my address was selected for a survey, and that I am legally required to answer it. I'm not seeing how it is legal for the US government to compel me to answer questions like this, but I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know?
I'm mostly concerned because they state, over and over, that my information is secure with them, and that all of the officials take oaths to protect the privacy of American citizens and their information. I was part of the OPM breach, so I know for a fact that is a load of horse manure, so my inclination to toss this in the shred pile is starting to sound better and better.
Thoughts?
Posted by: moki at May 22, 2017 03:20 PM (V+V4
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Ignore it. Unless they sent it "Certified," they can't prove you ever received it.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 22, 2017 03:24 PM (vg8iE)
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Insurance costs were going up fast before Obamacare as well.. Not sure if it is even possible to calculate the O'Care effect on employer-based plans.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 22, 2017 03:18 PM (so+oy)
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CommieCare spiked Insurance premiums and shows no sign of slowing down. Out of pocket costs are up 3-4x as well, and growing. This is not to even mention the devestation to the fulltime job market.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 22, 2017 03:18 PM (so+oy)
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CommieCare spiked Insurance premiums and shows no sign of slowing down. Out of pocket costs are up 3-4x as well, and growing. This is not to even mention the devestation to the fulltime job market.
Posted by: GOULD at May 22, 2017 03:24 PM (Hj4t4)
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Meh. (Super Meh actually)
That doesn't even qualify as a hand slap or a low five for that matter(becuz back of hand barely used)
That was a very slight push indicating to those of us who are married folk-
that Melania is mildly pissed about something and she's in public but she wants Trump to know.
So, husband annoys wife.
Quick knock that dog bites man story off the front page.
Husband annoys wife is news, baby!!!!!!
That doesn't even qualify as a hand slap or a low five for that matter(becuz back of hand barely used)
That was a very slight push indicating to those of us who are married folk-
that Melania is mildly pissed about something and she's in public but she wants Trump to know.
So, husband annoys wife.
Quick knock that dog bites man story off the front page.
Husband annoys wife is news, baby!!!!!!
Posted by: naturalfake at May 22, 2017 03:24 PM (NyJwR)
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This cost sharing scheme was a "poison pill" that the Democrats built into this abomination.
And it served doubly in getting the Health Insurers to sign up to it.
That being a classic case of Lenin's "we'll sell the capitalists the rope to hang them with" since the overall intent was to destroy private health insurance and replace it with the government.
And I'm sure the Insurance Execs knew this all along but the greed in generating short term gains outweighed the long term loss.
And being smart guys they must have known that. So fuck them.
When the burning times come I will cheer the crowds that hunt them down in the streets.
And it served doubly in getting the Health Insurers to sign up to it.
That being a classic case of Lenin's "we'll sell the capitalists the rope to hang them with" since the overall intent was to destroy private health insurance and replace it with the government.
And I'm sure the Insurance Execs knew this all along but the greed in generating short term gains outweighed the long term loss.
And being smart guys they must have known that. So fuck them.
When the burning times come I will cheer the crowds that hunt them down in the streets.
Posted by: LGoPs at May 22, 2017 03:25 PM (nGMLA)
Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at May 22, 2017 03:25 PM (0/1SX)
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Thoughts?
Posted by: moki
Alternate strategy:
Answer it, but with 100% bullshit/random answers. Do not reveal one iota of actual real information.
Posted by: moki
Alternate strategy:
Answer it, but with 100% bullshit/random answers. Do not reveal one iota of actual real information.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:25 PM (DQ4Fv)
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Maybe Team Trump could use some pointers from Google on how to track and identify leakers:
http://tinyurl.com/mcmunjv
"internal email reveals company tipline for revealing whistleblowers"
http://tinyurl.com/mcmunjv
"internal email reveals company tipline for revealing whistleblowers"
Posted by: kallisto at May 22, 2017 03:25 PM (kD8Fh)
170
143
Afternoon all,
I have a question for y'all: I just received something from the
Census bureau stating that my address was selected for a survey, and
that I am legally required to answer it. I'm not seeing how it is legal
for the US government to compel me to answer questions like this, but
I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know?
I'm mostly concerned because they state, over and over, that my
information is secure with them, and that all of the officials take
oaths to protect the privacy of American citizens and their information.
I was part of the OPM breach, so I know for a fact that is a load of
horse manure, so my inclination to toss this in the shred pile is
starting to sound better and better.
Thoughts?
Posted by: moki at May 22, 2017 03:20 PM (V+V4
Answering census questions has been litigate often. The Supremes have already ruled that you must answer them since the Constitution requires a census every 10 years. Of course originally that was only to "count" the citizens not the number of toilets in the house.
Afternoon all,
I have a question for y'all: I just received something from the
Census bureau stating that my address was selected for a survey, and
that I am legally required to answer it. I'm not seeing how it is legal
for the US government to compel me to answer questions like this, but
I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know?
I'm mostly concerned because they state, over and over, that my
information is secure with them, and that all of the officials take
oaths to protect the privacy of American citizens and their information.
I was part of the OPM breach, so I know for a fact that is a load of
horse manure, so my inclination to toss this in the shred pile is
starting to sound better and better.
Thoughts?
Posted by: moki at May 22, 2017 03:20 PM (V+V4
Answering census questions has been litigate often. The Supremes have already ruled that you must answer them since the Constitution requires a census every 10 years. Of course originally that was only to "count" the citizens not the number of toilets in the house.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 22, 2017 03:25 PM (mpXpK)
171
Ignore it. Unless they sent it "Certified," they can't prove you ever received it.
Posted by: bicentennialguy
Ignore it until they show up at your door and catch you out front doing yard work. BTDT.
Posted by: bicentennialguy
Ignore it until they show up at your door and catch you out front doing yard work. BTDT.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 03:25 PM (utT6Q)
172
"Thoughts?"
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Anecdotally, I've heard you can expect further mailings if you don't comply, and home visits from Census personnel wouldn't be out of the question, either.
These bastards mean for you to comply, and it's not as simple as ignoring them until they go away.
But, then again, that's just anecdotal, as I said.
=======
Anecdotally, I've heard you can expect further mailings if you don't comply, and home visits from Census personnel wouldn't be out of the question, either.
These bastards mean for you to comply, and it's not as simple as ignoring them until they go away.
But, then again, that's just anecdotal, as I said.
Posted by: Kensington at May 22, 2017 03:25 PM (Cw3TC)
173
Not nearly at that level.
And people are having to get coverage mandated that they weren't previously instead of something more tailored to them. Plus now "kids" up to 26 get covered, etc
It's not really a debate anymore among the Left or the Right that it drastically shot up premiums. The debate now is "social justice" type themes
if somebody is getting something free, someone else is paying for it
Posted by: Maritime
............
My employer's costs were indeed going up fast before. We got switched to a high-deductible plan to keep the premiums down, but they still went up..
As for the kids getting covered up to 26, it is certainly not for free. You still must pay a premium to keep that kid on your plan. And 26 yr olds cost almost nothing actuarially speaking. That policy change was probably a net gain for insurers, so it probably is not a cost being spread to others.
And people are having to get coverage mandated that they weren't previously instead of something more tailored to them. Plus now "kids" up to 26 get covered, etc
It's not really a debate anymore among the Left or the Right that it drastically shot up premiums. The debate now is "social justice" type themes
if somebody is getting something free, someone else is paying for it
Posted by: Maritime
............
My employer's costs were indeed going up fast before. We got switched to a high-deductible plan to keep the premiums down, but they still went up..
As for the kids getting covered up to 26, it is certainly not for free. You still must pay a premium to keep that kid on your plan. And 26 yr olds cost almost nothing actuarially speaking. That policy change was probably a net gain for insurers, so it probably is not a cost being spread to others.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 22, 2017 03:25 PM (so+oy)
174
Thoughts?
Posted by: moki
===
Shred, burn. Forget.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her!
I gave a good history of ducking service. But the Census people, not so good. I think I made the f'er come back about six times.
But they're persistent. He finally caught up with me. Ex-vet, so we had a nice pleasant discussion about privacy.
Posted by: moki
===
Shred, burn. Forget.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her!
I gave a good history of ducking service. But the Census people, not so good. I think I made the f'er come back about six times.
But they're persistent. He finally caught up with me. Ex-vet, so we had a nice pleasant discussion about privacy.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 22, 2017 03:26 PM (HTdUD)
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Insurance costs were going up fast before Obamacare as well.. Not sure if it is even possible to calculate the O'Care effect on employer-based plans.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 22, 2017 03:18 PM (so+oy)
Our insurance premiums quadrupled, I think mostly due to the fact that the affordable major medical we were buying became illegal.
(We are not employer-insured.)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 22, 2017 03:18 PM (so+oy)
Our insurance premiums quadrupled, I think mostly due to the fact that the affordable major medical we were buying became illegal.
(We are not employer-insured.)
Posted by: Emmie at May 22, 2017 03:26 PM (ZapPq)
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speaking of painful negotiations, I'm about to start leasing my first car. And like us here, I'm going to get screwed and not in the fun way.
Any suggestions on how I can lubricate the process (see what I did there?) would be welcome.
I am not Trump. I am not Shatner. I suck at negotiation.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
____
Might try something like TrueCar, not sure what they do regarding leasing but I thought it was a good way for someone to buy a car that doesn't want to play all the games.
But usually a car dealer's advertised lease rate is about as cheap as it gets in most circumstances is my underdstanding.
Any suggestions on how I can lubricate the process (see what I did there?) would be welcome.
I am not Trump. I am not Shatner. I suck at negotiation.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
____
Might try something like TrueCar, not sure what they do regarding leasing but I thought it was a good way for someone to buy a car that doesn't want to play all the games.
But usually a car dealer's advertised lease rate is about as cheap as it gets in most circumstances is my underdstanding.
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 03:26 PM (zu/Gn)
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My employer's costs were indeed going up fast before. We got switched to a high-deductible plan to keep the premiums down, but they still went up..
As for the kids getting covered up to 26, it is certainly not for free. You still must pay a premium to keep that kid on your plan. And 26 yr olds cost almost nothing actuarially speaking. That policy change was probably a net gain for insurers, so it probably is not a cost being spread to others.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
_____
So you're now making the case Obamacare isn't so bad?
This whole thread you've been defending it.
As for the kids getting covered up to 26, it is certainly not for free. You still must pay a premium to keep that kid on your plan. And 26 yr olds cost almost nothing actuarially speaking. That policy change was probably a net gain for insurers, so it probably is not a cost being spread to others.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
_____
So you're now making the case Obamacare isn't so bad?
This whole thread you've been defending it.
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 03:27 PM (zu/Gn)
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Ignore it until they show up at your door and catch you out front doing yard work.
And hit them with a shovel.
Ignore it until they show up at your door and catch you out front doing yard work.
And hit them with a shovel.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2017 03:27 PM (IqV8l)
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174 Thoughts?
Posted by: moki
===
Shred, burn. Forget.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her!
I gave a good history of ducking service. But the Census people, not so good. I think I made the f'er come back about six times.
But they're persistent. He finally caught up with me. Ex-vet, so we had a nice pleasant discussion about privacy.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum
In my entire life, I have never been contacted by any census taker, in person, via the mail or otherwise. I have a suspicion that the Federal government does not know I exist.
Posted by: moki
===
Shred, burn. Forget.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her!
I gave a good history of ducking service. But the Census people, not so good. I think I made the f'er come back about six times.
But they're persistent. He finally caught up with me. Ex-vet, so we had a nice pleasant discussion about privacy.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum
In my entire life, I have never been contacted by any census taker, in person, via the mail or otherwise. I have a suspicion that the Federal government does not know I exist.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:28 PM (DQ4Fv)
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@Maritime
Thanks for the Truecar suggestion, I'll give them a look.
Yeah, was afraid that with leases I wouldn't have much room to expect much.
Thanks for the Truecar suggestion, I'll give them a look.
Yeah, was afraid that with leases I wouldn't have much room to expect much.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 03:28 PM (3OIiX)
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I'll point out that the passage of Obamacare had a quantifiable adverse impact on the mortality rate. You don't see it in the news but the change in the age adjusted rate accounts for 530,000 additional deaths since passage in 2010. That's more Americans than all American war casualties from WWII onward.
Posted by: MAGA at May 22, 2017 03:28 PM (LQ1Q3)
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>>>I have a question for y'all: I just received something from the Census
bureau stating that my address was selected for a survey, and that I am
legally required to answer it. I'm not seeing how it is legal for the
US government to compel me to answer questions like this, but I'm not a
lawyer, so what do I know?
I'm mostly concerned because they state, over and over, that my
information is secure with them, and that all of the officials take
oaths to protect the privacy of American citizens and their information.
I was part of the OPM breach, so I know for a fact that is a load of
horse manure, so my inclination to toss this in the shred pile is
starting to sound better and better.
Thoughts?
.
.
.While there are criminal penalties for not answering Census questions they haven't messed with anyone with very few exceptions in the 1960s.
bureau stating that my address was selected for a survey, and that I am
legally required to answer it. I'm not seeing how it is legal for the
US government to compel me to answer questions like this, but I'm not a
lawyer, so what do I know?
I'm mostly concerned because they state, over and over, that my
information is secure with them, and that all of the officials take
oaths to protect the privacy of American citizens and their information.
I was part of the OPM breach, so I know for a fact that is a load of
horse manure, so my inclination to toss this in the shred pile is
starting to sound better and better.
Thoughts?
.
.
.While there are criminal penalties for not answering Census questions they haven't messed with anyone with very few exceptions in the 1960s.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 22, 2017 03:28 PM (le7jz)
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"just received something from the Census bureau stating that my address
was selected for a survey, and that I am legally required to answer it"
Ah, probably the infamous "American Community Survey".
Which not only asks a bunch of questions tailor-made for identity theft purposes, but also wants to know, e.g., how many toilets there are in your home. No kidding.
This is *way* outside the legitimate Constitutional ambit of Census work, but they do it anyway.
And, apparently, midlevel officials at Census have performance bonuses keyed to the percentage of ACS surveys returned complete, so they will latch on to you with barnacle tenacity once you've been "randomly" tagged for ACS "participation", including sending feds to your door to harass you in person and threaten you with harsh penalties.
No one so far as I know has ever actually been subjected to those penalties. I think that J. Random Resident just panics and knuckles under once the legal threats from Fedzilla begin.
I'd really like to see someone lawyer up with heavy duty counsel and take this into the courts and hopefully get rid of it for good.
was selected for a survey, and that I am legally required to answer it"
Ah, probably the infamous "American Community Survey".
Which not only asks a bunch of questions tailor-made for identity theft purposes, but also wants to know, e.g., how many toilets there are in your home. No kidding.
This is *way* outside the legitimate Constitutional ambit of Census work, but they do it anyway.
And, apparently, midlevel officials at Census have performance bonuses keyed to the percentage of ACS surveys returned complete, so they will latch on to you with barnacle tenacity once you've been "randomly" tagged for ACS "participation", including sending feds to your door to harass you in person and threaten you with harsh penalties.
No one so far as I know has ever actually been subjected to those penalties. I think that J. Random Resident just panics and knuckles under once the legal threats from Fedzilla begin.
I'd really like to see someone lawyer up with heavy duty counsel and take this into the courts and hopefully get rid of it for good.
Posted by: torquewrench at May 22, 2017 03:28 PM (ujwCG)
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Regarding cars...have not looked at autos for 6 years...damn they are getting expensive
Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI at May 22, 2017 03:28 PM (5Uq5D)
185
It's ch jock full of RINOS, mavericks, fucktards, free agents, perverts and other flotsam and jetsam.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 03:18 PM
FIFY.
(also fixed flotsam and jetsam typos - us Navy guys are giving that way ;-) )
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 03:18 PM
FIFY.
(also fixed flotsam and jetsam typos - us Navy guys are giving that way ;-) )
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 22, 2017 03:28 PM (DMUuz)
186
If a census taker shows up, my advice would be to enjoy his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.
Posted by: Hannibal Lecter at May 22, 2017 03:29 PM (vg8iE)
187
The Republicans are voted in to power based on repealing Obamacare. They miserably fail. Obamacare Collapses! Republicans are blamed.
Republicans are about to be voted out of office for not repealing Obamacare, not building a Wall, and not Reforming Taxes. WHY?
Democrats take over, and we get the British NHS Healthcare. We get VA Care for Everybody. Singlepayer Government Healthcare.
Posted by: rd at May 22, 2017 03:12 PM (XSEwK)
If the GOP repeals outright with nothing else... Dems/MSM will blame everything on GOP, resulting in Dem majorities that will impose national socialist healthcare.
If the GOP doesn't repeal at all... Dems/MSM will blame everything on GOP, resulting in Dem majorities that will impose national socialist healthcare.
If the GOP "repeals and replaces" or otherwise tries to fix it... Dems/MSM will blame everything on GOP, resulting in Dem majorities that will impose national socialist healthcare.
The only real way out of this is to sunset Obamacare over some lengthy period of time with grandfathering of plans, while concomitantly overhauling healthcare/medical regulations and laws to allow the maximum amount of freedom to innovate. At such time as Obamacare finally phases out, the possibility of minor and much less intrusive government intervention can be dangled to dismiss "wanting poor people to die" arguments.
This give the free market a chance to adapt and succeed without any plausible complaint that people are being thrown to eeevil corporate H8rz or something.
Posted by: The Medical Hat at May 22, 2017 03:19 PM (rUIbB)
We are going to be blamed anyway.
So do the right thing.
Repeal Obamacare.
No one that supports Obamacare will vote Republican. Do you think they will get their votes? Really?
But if the Republicans do not Repeal Obamacare, why should I as a Republican vote for the miserable lying shits?
Find a hill and (maybe) die on it. Or I will for damned sure find you a ditch to die in.
The Republicans are voted in to power based on repealing Obamacare. They miserably fail. Obamacare Collapses! Republicans are blamed.
Republicans are about to be voted out of office for not repealing Obamacare, not building a Wall, and not Reforming Taxes. WHY?
Democrats take over, and we get the British NHS Healthcare. We get VA Care for Everybody. Singlepayer Government Healthcare.
Posted by: rd at May 22, 2017 03:12 PM (XSEwK)
If the GOP repeals outright with nothing else... Dems/MSM will blame everything on GOP, resulting in Dem majorities that will impose national socialist healthcare.
If the GOP doesn't repeal at all... Dems/MSM will blame everything on GOP, resulting in Dem majorities that will impose national socialist healthcare.
If the GOP "repeals and replaces" or otherwise tries to fix it... Dems/MSM will blame everything on GOP, resulting in Dem majorities that will impose national socialist healthcare.
The only real way out of this is to sunset Obamacare over some lengthy period of time with grandfathering of plans, while concomitantly overhauling healthcare/medical regulations and laws to allow the maximum amount of freedom to innovate. At such time as Obamacare finally phases out, the possibility of minor and much less intrusive government intervention can be dangled to dismiss "wanting poor people to die" arguments.
This give the free market a chance to adapt and succeed without any plausible complaint that people are being thrown to eeevil corporate H8rz or something.
Posted by: The Medical Hat at May 22, 2017 03:19 PM (rUIbB)
We are going to be blamed anyway.
So do the right thing.
Repeal Obamacare.
No one that supports Obamacare will vote Republican. Do you think they will get their votes? Really?
But if the Republicans do not Repeal Obamacare, why should I as a Republican vote for the miserable lying shits?
Find a hill and (maybe) die on it. Or I will for damned sure find you a ditch to die in.
Posted by: rd at May 22, 2017 03:30 PM (XSEwK)
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Posted by: moki at May 22, 2017 03:20 PM (V+V4
Check with the Census website for information about surveys. If you cannot find any, call the Census and ask for information on this, that you received it and are not sure if it is actually from the Census or part of some ID theft plot (be polite. I know I shouldn't have to mention that but better to be safe than sorry with the polite thing.) You'll likely get a lot of information and probably the cite to the CFR and the US Code about this.
Check with the Census website for information about surveys. If you cannot find any, call the Census and ask for information on this, that you received it and are not sure if it is actually from the Census or part of some ID theft plot (be polite. I know I shouldn't have to mention that but better to be safe than sorry with the polite thing.) You'll likely get a lot of information and probably the cite to the CFR and the US Code about this.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet presents Ace and the Scream Machine at the County Fairgrounds at May 22, 2017 03:30 PM (hLRSq)
189
@A deplorable dude in MI
There are still some good deal out there, but the electronics packages and higher trim lines are getting stupid expensive. Frelling Hondas can cost as much as a Lexus.
There are still some good deal out there, but the electronics packages and higher trim lines are getting stupid expensive. Frelling Hondas can cost as much as a Lexus.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 03:31 PM (3OIiX)
190
In my entire life, I have never been contacted by any census taker, in person, via the mail or otherwise. I have a suspicion that the Federal government does not know I exist.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:28 PM (DQ4Fv)
Keep telling yourself that.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:28 PM (DQ4Fv)
Keep telling yourself that.
Posted by: Bob from the NSA at May 22, 2017 03:31 PM (KUaJL)
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Regarding cars...have not looked at autos for 6 years...damn they are getting expensive
Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI
______
I'm also in the market, and its mindblowing.
I just bought my wife a new Lexus and I need one as well.
I've got around 175k miles on my current car.
There so expensive now, I find it easier to buy a nicer luxury car.
It's like spending $12 for lunch at McDonalds vs $16 at a sit down restaurant.
Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI
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I'm also in the market, and its mindblowing.
I just bought my wife a new Lexus and I need one as well.
I've got around 175k miles on my current car.
There so expensive now, I find it easier to buy a nicer luxury car.
It's like spending $12 for lunch at McDonalds vs $16 at a sit down restaurant.
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 03:31 PM (zu/Gn)
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Answering census questions has been litigate often. The Supremes have already ruled that you must answer them since the Constitution requires a census every 10 years. Of course originally that was only to "count" the citizens not the number of toilets in the house.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 22, 2017 03:25 PM (mpXpK)
Looks at the calendar....
Does not look like a census year to me....
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 22, 2017 03:25 PM (mpXpK)
Looks at the calendar....
Does not look like a census year to me....
Posted by: Don Q. at May 22, 2017 03:31 PM (NgKpN)
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183 I'd really like to see someone lawyer up with heavy
duty counsel and take this into the courts and hopefully get rid of it
for good.
Posted by: torquewrench at May 22, 2017 03:28 PM (ujwCG)
As I said, already been tried.
duty counsel and take this into the courts and hopefully get rid of it
for good.
Posted by: torquewrench at May 22, 2017 03:28 PM (ujwCG)
As I said, already been tried.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 22, 2017 03:31 PM (mpXpK)
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Regarding cars...have not looked at autos for 6 years...damn they are getting expensive
Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI
Yeah, but the technology inside of the new ones is pretty cool.
I just lease anymore. Decide what $ number I'm comfortable spending per month and go from there.
Turn it in, get another one, even better than the last one.
I could spend an hour typing out the cool stuff on the new one.
Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI
Yeah, but the technology inside of the new ones is pretty cool.
I just lease anymore. Decide what $ number I'm comfortable spending per month and go from there.
Turn it in, get another one, even better than the last one.
I could spend an hour typing out the cool stuff on the new one.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 22, 2017 03:32 PM (HTdUD)
195
CommieCare spiked Insurance premiums and shows no sign of slowing down. Out of pocket costs are up 3-4x as well, and growing. This is not to even mention the devestation to the fulltime job market.
Posted by: GOULD at May 22, 2017 03:24 PM (Hj4t4)
Yup. My COBRA benefits are expiring, I can't afford an individual plan, can't get a job and I need medication for certain non-self-inflicted chronic conditions. So I'm fucked.
Posted by: GOULD at May 22, 2017 03:24 PM (Hj4t4)
Yup. My COBRA benefits are expiring, I can't afford an individual plan, can't get a job and I need medication for certain non-self-inflicted chronic conditions. So I'm fucked.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 22, 2017 03:32 PM (0mRoj)
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Answer it, but with 100% bullshit/random answers. Do not reveal one iota of actual real information.
Posted by: zombie
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I do this regularly. My wife cringes when we get live telemarketers.
I consider it a personal calling to insure that some phone bank dude in Bangladesh panics over the correct spelling of my name: "John Jacob Jingleheimer-Smythe".
I explain in careful, painful, excruciating detail that the name came from my mother's uncle. This helps Haji the phone screener to understand that his name is , in fact, my name too.
Answer it, but with 100% bullshit/random answers. Do not reveal one iota of actual real information.
Posted by: zombie
===
I do this regularly. My wife cringes when we get live telemarketers.
I consider it a personal calling to insure that some phone bank dude in Bangladesh panics over the correct spelling of my name: "John Jacob Jingleheimer-Smythe".
I explain in careful, painful, excruciating detail that the name came from my mother's uncle. This helps Haji the phone screener to understand that his name is , in fact, my name too.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 03:32 PM (C52a9)
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Insurance costs were going up fast before Obamacare as well.. Not sure
if it is even possible to calculate the O'Care effect on employer-based
plans.
Costs skyrocketing are no doubt pushed heavily by the fact that we've been inviting practically the entire third world here for decades and essentially given them free medical care - paid for by all the rest of us.
And it's primarily the Democrats pushing this ruin and then mirabile dictu, they are the ones to come up with the fix. To the problem they created.
Much like Dodd-Frank was the fix to the collapse that Dodd and Frank essentially engineered.
Anybody that keeps voting for Democrats should have his head examined. Or they're in on the scam that is the Democrat Party.
if it is even possible to calculate the O'Care effect on employer-based
plans.
Costs skyrocketing are no doubt pushed heavily by the fact that we've been inviting practically the entire third world here for decades and essentially given them free medical care - paid for by all the rest of us.
And it's primarily the Democrats pushing this ruin and then mirabile dictu, they are the ones to come up with the fix. To the problem they created.
Much like Dodd-Frank was the fix to the collapse that Dodd and Frank essentially engineered.
Anybody that keeps voting for Democrats should have his head examined. Or they're in on the scam that is the Democrat Party.
Posted by: LGoPs at May 22, 2017 03:33 PM (nGMLA)
198
Copays are now about $35 per visit. Before Obamacare they were about $20.
Using the old inflation calculation, they should only be about $23
Using the old inflation calculation, they should only be about $23
Posted by: MAGA at May 22, 2017 03:33 PM (LQ1Q3)
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Remember about a decade ago when there was a nationwide "rebate" and "everyone" got a check for $400 or $600 or something like that?
Well, they never sent me any rebate check.
Also, by chance I saw that a friend gets these letters every year from the Social Security Administration informing him what his payments will be once he reaches 65 years old. I commented that I had never received such a letter. He said that EVERYBODY gets them, every year. Not me, I replied.
Seriously, I think I have slipped between the cracks and the Feds do not know I exist.
Well, they never sent me any rebate check.
Also, by chance I saw that a friend gets these letters every year from the Social Security Administration informing him what his payments will be once he reaches 65 years old. I commented that I had never received such a letter. He said that EVERYBODY gets them, every year. Not me, I replied.
Seriously, I think I have slipped between the cracks and the Feds do not know I exist.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:33 PM (DQ4Fv)
200
I recently browsed CarMax looking for a cheap used car and was shocked that every decent modest car I looked at was both $10,000 and already had 100,000 miles on it.
$10,000 *and* 100,000 miles!
It seemed crazy.
$10,000 *and* 100,000 miles!
It seemed crazy.
Posted by: Kensington at May 22, 2017 03:33 PM (Cw3TC)
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"I'm about to start leasing my first car."
Read up on the process in great detail, and insist on being given the paperwork to take home to pore over, instead of signing under psychological pressure in a dealership sales cell.
Some lease-return provisions are absurd. One that I saw stipulated that the OEM tires had to be on the car, with minimal wear, when the car was brought back. The specific make and model of tire. In that case, specialized ultra-performance tires that were hard to find and expensive as hell to purchase at retail.
Read up on the process in great detail, and insist on being given the paperwork to take home to pore over, instead of signing under psychological pressure in a dealership sales cell.
Some lease-return provisions are absurd. One that I saw stipulated that the OEM tires had to be on the car, with minimal wear, when the car was brought back. The specific make and model of tire. In that case, specialized ultra-performance tires that were hard to find and expensive as hell to purchase at retail.
Posted by: torquewrench at May 22, 2017 03:33 PM (ujwCG)
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188 Posted by: moki at May 22, 2017 03:20 PM (V+V4
Check with the Census website for information about surveys. If you cannot find any, call the Census and ask for information on this, that you received it and are not sure if it is actually from the Census or part of some ID theft plot (be polite. I know I shouldn't have to mention that but better to be safe than sorry with the polite thing.) You'll likely get a lot of information and probably the cite to the CFR and the US Code about this.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet presents Ace and the Scream Machine at the County Fairgrounds at May 22, 2017 03:30 PM (hLRSq)
==========
I vaguely remember now getting something in the mail around 2013 or so from them. I tossed it out. Then they started calling - and it's not "them" in DC - it's some local yokel getting paid $10/hour to collect this info. I told her I didn't have time, etc. She wanted to come to the house and do it, etc.
All I remember is I never did it, never met her, and nothing ever happened. I think she may have even come to door a couple time and I didn't answer it.
Check with the Census website for information about surveys. If you cannot find any, call the Census and ask for information on this, that you received it and are not sure if it is actually from the Census or part of some ID theft plot (be polite. I know I shouldn't have to mention that but better to be safe than sorry with the polite thing.) You'll likely get a lot of information and probably the cite to the CFR and the US Code about this.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet presents Ace and the Scream Machine at the County Fairgrounds at May 22, 2017 03:30 PM (hLRSq)
==========
I vaguely remember now getting something in the mail around 2013 or so from them. I tossed it out. Then they started calling - and it's not "them" in DC - it's some local yokel getting paid $10/hour to collect this info. I told her I didn't have time, etc. She wanted to come to the house and do it, etc.
All I remember is I never did it, never met her, and nothing ever happened. I think she may have even come to door a couple time and I didn't answer it.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 22, 2017 03:33 PM (vg8iE)
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Zombie:
Yesterday on Drudge I saw that there was some sort of Naked Freedom March in SanFran.
I thought of you and was sad.
How have you not gone blind?
Yesterday on Drudge I saw that there was some sort of Naked Freedom March in SanFran.
I thought of you and was sad.
How have you not gone blind?
Posted by: shibumi at May 22, 2017 03:33 PM (BPeNq)
204
Guy at work was telling me people are dropping 60k+ on pickups...wtf
Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI at May 22, 2017 03:34 PM (5Uq5D)
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Seriously, I think I have slipped between the cracks and the Feds do not know I exist.
Posted by: zombie
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No. They read your blog.
They're avoiding you.
Posted by: zombie
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No. They read your blog.
They're avoiding you.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 03:34 PM (C52a9)
206
"Speaking of painful negotiations, I'm about to start leasing my first car. And like us here, I'm going to get screwed and not in the fun way...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
Why a lease? Are you needing it for a business expense write off, or do you just need reliable transportation?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
Why a lease? Are you needing it for a business expense write off, or do you just need reliable transportation?
Posted by: Western Slope Mope at May 22, 2017 03:35 PM (WrMht)
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204 Guy at work was telling me people are dropping 60k+ on pickups...wtf
Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI at May 22, 2017 03:34 PM (5Uq5D)
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Un-fucking-believable, but true. Go to the car lot and be prepared for real sticker shock.
I like that new Lexus they are advertising, with no price mentioned. I looked it up online - STARTS at $100,000.
Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI at May 22, 2017 03:34 PM (5Uq5D)
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Un-fucking-believable, but true. Go to the car lot and be prepared for real sticker shock.
I like that new Lexus they are advertising, with no price mentioned. I looked it up online - STARTS at $100,000.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 22, 2017 03:35 PM (vg8iE)
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Also, by chance I saw that a friend gets these letters every year from the Social Security Administration informing him what his payments will be once he reaches 65 years old. I commented that I had never received such a letter. He said that EVERYBODY gets them, every year. Not me, I replied.
Seriously, I think I have slipped between the cracks and the Feds do not know I exist.
Posted by: zombie
I think you start getting the SSA letters regularly after 50 years of age. Maybe not every year, but every couple.
Somebody stole your identity?
Seriously, I think I have slipped between the cracks and the Feds do not know I exist.
Posted by: zombie
I think you start getting the SSA letters regularly after 50 years of age. Maybe not every year, but every couple.
Somebody stole your identity?
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 22, 2017 03:36 PM (HTdUD)
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203 Zombie:
Yesterday on Drudge I saw that there was some sort of Naked Freedom March in SanFran.
I thought of you and was sad.
How have you not gone blind?
Posted by: shibumi
Those naked people do crazy stunts all the time. At first, I covered their antics, but I gave it because they became commonplace. Every now and then the national news notices, but in truth, they do naked "protests" of various types every couple weeks.
Yesterday on Drudge I saw that there was some sort of Naked Freedom March in SanFran.
I thought of you and was sad.
How have you not gone blind?
Posted by: shibumi
Those naked people do crazy stunts all the time. At first, I covered their antics, but I gave it because they became commonplace. Every now and then the national news notices, but in truth, they do naked "protests" of various types every couple weeks.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:36 PM (DQ4Fv)
210
200
I recently browsed CarMax looking for a cheap used car and was shocked
that every decent modest car I looked at was both $10,000 and already
had 100,000 miles on it.
$10,000 *and* 100,000 miles!
It seemed crazy.
Posted by: Kensington at May 22, 2017 03:33 PM (Cw3TC)
Direct result of Obama and the Democrats giving away the store to GM and Chrysler to keep the unions happy. Can you say cash for clunkers.
I recently browsed CarMax looking for a cheap used car and was shocked
that every decent modest car I looked at was both $10,000 and already
had 100,000 miles on it.
$10,000 *and* 100,000 miles!
It seemed crazy.
Posted by: Kensington at May 22, 2017 03:33 PM (Cw3TC)
Direct result of Obama and the Democrats giving away the store to GM and Chrysler to keep the unions happy. Can you say cash for clunkers.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 22, 2017 03:36 PM (mpXpK)
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This whole the GOP will be blamed for repealing Obamacare is complete and utter bulltshit.
The GOP has rode shitcanning Obamacare to unprecedented nationwide political power not seen in nearly 100 years.
The reason they aren't repealing it is they are a bunch lying shit heels who like big government as much as the donks do.
The GOP has rode shitcanning Obamacare to unprecedented nationwide political power not seen in nearly 100 years.
The reason they aren't repealing it is they are a bunch lying shit heels who like big government as much as the donks do.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 03:36 PM (CPYQe)
212
I gave it = I gave up
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:36 PM (DQ4Fv)
213
@ torquewrench
Seriously? Wow, that's evil.
Thanks, I'll give it a good read over.
I'm so fed up with car shopping I'm mentally prepared to walk if there are too many shenanigans. Beemerschnitzel is still running ok.
Seriously? Wow, that's evil.
Thanks, I'll give it a good read over.
I'm so fed up with car shopping I'm mentally prepared to walk if there are too many shenanigans. Beemerschnitzel is still running ok.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 03:37 PM (3OIiX)
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Direct result of Obama and the Democrats giving away the store to GM and Chrysler to keep the unions happy. Can you say cash for clunkers.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 22, 2017 03:36 PM (mpXpK)
Exactly. They destroyed the supply of inexpensive, reliable used cars. It will take years to recover.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 22, 2017 03:36 PM (mpXpK)
Exactly. They destroyed the supply of inexpensive, reliable used cars. It will take years to recover.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 22, 2017 03:37 PM (0mRoj)
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Also, by chance I saw that a friend gets these letters every year from the Social Security Administration informing him what his payments will be once he reaches 65 years old. I commented that I had never received such a letter. He said that EVERYBODY gets them, every year. Not me, I replied.
Seriously, I think I have slipped between the cracks and the Feds do not know I exist.
Posted by: zombie
_______
They used to send those, but they don't any longer to save money.
I want to say they stopped like 8 years ago.
It might be different though based on your age.
Seriously, I think I have slipped between the cracks and the Feds do not know I exist.
Posted by: zombie
_______
They used to send those, but they don't any longer to save money.
I want to say they stopped like 8 years ago.
It might be different though based on your age.
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 03:37 PM (zu/Gn)
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174 Thoughts?
Posted by: moki
http://www.politifact.com/texas/ statements/ 2014/jan/09/ us-census-bureau/americans-must -answer-us-census-bureau-survey-law-/
http://www.truthistreason.net/ how-to -legally-refuse-to-participate -in-the-census-survey
Remove spaces in both links.
Posted by: moki
http://www.politifact.com/texas/ statements/ 2014/jan/09/ us-census-bureau/americans-must -answer-us-census-bureau-survey-law-/
http://www.truthistreason.net/ how-to -legally-refuse-to-participate -in-the-census-survey
Remove spaces in both links.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 22, 2017 03:37 PM (DMUuz)
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IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK
Posted by: BEN BUTTLISSCHEESEBURGER at May 22, 2017 03:38 PM (QTOyx)
218
Guy at work was telling me people are dropping 60k+ on pickups...wtf
Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI
All those ignorant fucks should be shot.
A p/u shouldn't cost $20k.
Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI
All those ignorant fucks should be shot.
A p/u shouldn't cost $20k.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 03:38 PM (utT6Q)
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They destroyed the supply of inexpensive, reliable used cars. It will take years to recover.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy
Then they will do it again.
They destroyed the supply of inexpensive, reliable used cars. It will take years to recover.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy
Then they will do it again.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2017 03:38 PM (IqV8l)
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I like to imagine that this is all one big incestuous Gordian knot and Trump is trying to figure out how to solve it, but he hasn't realized that he's going to have to pull out an axe and chop it apart. However, chopping it apart will probably destroy the fragile economic status quo, and perhaps that's why he's hesitant.
Posted by: DFCtomm at May 22, 2017 03:38 PM (50gG9)
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@Western Slope Mope
I think leasing fits best what I want. I don't want to own any more cars that aren't under warranty. That's the main thing.
And I don't want to deal with the hassle and BOHICA that comes with trying to sell or trade in a used car.
I have my current car paid off and it runs but I want something that rides higher off the ground but still handles well with some ooomph.
I think leasing fits best what I want. I don't want to own any more cars that aren't under warranty. That's the main thing.
And I don't want to deal with the hassle and BOHICA that comes with trying to sell or trade in a used car.
I have my current car paid off and it runs but I want something that rides higher off the ground but still handles well with some ooomph.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 03:39 PM (3OIiX)
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I consider it a personal calling to insure that some phone bank dude in Bangladesh panics over the correct spelling of my name: "John Jacob Jingleheimer-Smythe".
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 03:32 PM (C52a9)
And then when he gets it right, say "no," and repeat your "name" with emphasis on a given part of it, as though that's what's wrong:
"No, no, it's 'John Jacob JINGLEheimer-Smythe."
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 03:32 PM (C52a9)
And then when he gets it right, say "no," and repeat your "name" with emphasis on a given part of it, as though that's what's wrong:
"No, no, it's 'John Jacob JINGLEheimer-Smythe."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 22, 2017 03:39 PM (SRKgf)
223
We are going to be blamed anyway.
So do the right thing.
Repeal Obamacare.
No one that supports Obamacare will vote Republican. Do you think they will get their votes? Really?
But if the Republicans do not Repeal Obamacare, why should I as a Republican vote for the miserable lying shits?
Find a hill and (maybe) die on it. Or I will for damned sure find you a ditch to die in.
Posted by: rd at May 22, 2017 03:30 PM (XSEwK)
I just said that they should repeal it. Repealing it is central to the plan I outlined.
I am trying to offer a strategy that increases the chance that it stays repealed, and minimizes the possibility of Dems marching in and saying "lol, jk 'bout the repeal" and reinstating it... or worse.
Like it or not, Obamacare included many provisions that, especially after nearly a decade, were designed to be a minefield.
It's one thing to find a hill to die on, it's another to refuse to fortify it while dancing naked in clear view on top while shouting "#Winning!!1!"
So do the right thing.
Repeal Obamacare.
No one that supports Obamacare will vote Republican. Do you think they will get their votes? Really?
But if the Republicans do not Repeal Obamacare, why should I as a Republican vote for the miserable lying shits?
Find a hill and (maybe) die on it. Or I will for damned sure find you a ditch to die in.
Posted by: rd at May 22, 2017 03:30 PM (XSEwK)
I just said that they should repeal it. Repealing it is central to the plan I outlined.
I am trying to offer a strategy that increases the chance that it stays repealed, and minimizes the possibility of Dems marching in and saying "lol, jk 'bout the repeal" and reinstating it... or worse.
Like it or not, Obamacare included many provisions that, especially after nearly a decade, were designed to be a minefield.
It's one thing to find a hill to die on, it's another to refuse to fortify it while dancing naked in clear view on top while shouting "#Winning!!1!"
Posted by: The Repealing Hat at May 22, 2017 03:39 PM (rUIbB)
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12 I gave it = I gave up
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:36 PM (DQ4Fv)
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You vixen you.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:36 PM (DQ4Fv)
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You vixen you.
Posted by: Soona at May 22, 2017 03:39 PM (Fmupd)
225
Leasing a car is not cost beneficial unless you are leasing it for a business making the lease payments tax deductible and even that is debatable.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 22, 2017 03:39 PM (mpXpK)
226
Direct result of Obama and the Democrats giving away the store to GM and Chrysler to keep the unions happy. Can you say cash for clunkers.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 22, 2017 03:36 PM (mpXpK)
Exactly. They destroyed the supply of inexpensive, reliable used cars. It will take years to recover.
Posted by: Insomniac
It'll never recover due to the shit they build now. It doesn't last.
Planned obsolescence.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 22, 2017 03:36 PM (mpXpK)
Exactly. They destroyed the supply of inexpensive, reliable used cars. It will take years to recover.
Posted by: Insomniac
It'll never recover due to the shit they build now. It doesn't last.
Planned obsolescence.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 03:40 PM (utT6Q)
227
204 Guy at work was telling me people are dropping 60k+ on pickups...wtf
Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI at May 22, 2017 03:34 PM (5Uq5D)
That's about what they cost with all the bells and whistles.
I just got my new Tahoe and they aren't cheap.
Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI at May 22, 2017 03:34 PM (5Uq5D)
That's about what they cost with all the bells and whistles.
I just got my new Tahoe and they aren't cheap.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 03:40 PM (Ri/rl)
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226 It'll never recover due to the shit they build now. It doesn't last.
Planned obsolescence.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 03:40 PM (utT6Q)
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Sounds like an opening for a new car manufacturer in the market.
Planned obsolescence.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 03:40 PM (utT6Q)
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Sounds like an opening for a new car manufacturer in the market.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 03:41 PM (viSzi)
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Planned obsolescence.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 03:40 PM (utT6Q)
If only that was done to politicians.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 03:40 PM (utT6Q)
If only that was done to politicians.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 22, 2017 03:41 PM (SRKgf)
230
The Gordian Knot can be done without a repeal.
Simply pass a law that states: Notwithstanding any provision of any other law, the right to free contract for health insurance or health care services shall not be infringed.
Simply pass a law that states: Notwithstanding any provision of any other law, the right to free contract for health insurance or health care services shall not be infringed.
Posted by: MAGA at May 22, 2017 03:41 PM (LQ1Q3)
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And then when he gets it right, say "no," and repeat your "name" with emphasis on a given part of it, as though that's what's wrong:
==
Yeah , I may or may not have "explained" a few times that the J's were silent.
And then when he gets it right, say "no," and repeat your "name" with emphasis on a given part of it, as though that's what's wrong:
==
Yeah , I may or may not have "explained" a few times that the J's were silent.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 03:42 PM (C52a9)
232
Trending on Facebook, from MSN, Melania slapped away Trump's hand at Tel Aviv airport.
Posted by: blaster at May 22, 2017 02:53 PM (tFx3r)
Yesterday, the meme being passed around was that Trump was an absolute pig for not turning around and helping Melania down the four steps of Marine One. Only one person at a time can walk down those steps and Trump was occupied with saluting the Marine guards at the landing.
But he was an absolute hideous womanizing jerk for not standing on the steps backwards and holding Melania's hands and helping her negotiate the steps.
Posted by: blaster at May 22, 2017 02:53 PM (tFx3r)
Yesterday, the meme being passed around was that Trump was an absolute pig for not turning around and helping Melania down the four steps of Marine One. Only one person at a time can walk down those steps and Trump was occupied with saluting the Marine guards at the landing.
But he was an absolute hideous womanizing jerk for not standing on the steps backwards and holding Melania's hands and helping her negotiate the steps.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 22, 2017 03:43 PM (62eBc)
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138 109 But has the average American who gets it through his employer been effected?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2017 03:11 PM (IqV8l)
Yes, my insurance was coming from employer and my contributions tripled and the coverage decreased.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 22, 2017 03:18 PM (mpXpK)
exactly! If I hear one more damn story about "You can't take my O-care away!" I'll scream. I "technically" have "insurance" but its worthless to me if I can't afford to use it.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2017 03:11 PM (IqV8l)
Yes, my insurance was coming from employer and my contributions tripled and the coverage decreased.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 22, 2017 03:18 PM (mpXpK)
exactly! If I hear one more damn story about "You can't take my O-care away!" I'll scream. I "technically" have "insurance" but its worthless to me if I can't afford to use it.
Posted by: the Butcher at May 22, 2017 03:43 PM (AGJqR)
234
The car market appears to be crashing. Used prices are dropping, and new sales are dropping, despite massive incentives.
If you can afford to wait, prices are likely to be lower going forward.
Of course, this could be a bellweather for the overall economy ...
If you can afford to wait, prices are likely to be lower going forward.
Of course, this could be a bellweather for the overall economy ...
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 22, 2017 03:43 PM (DMUuz)
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226 It'll never recover due to the shit they build now. It doesn't last.
Planned obsolescence.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 03:40 PM (utT6Q)
I have found that the newer cars I have now are actually more reliable that the ones I had in the 60s and 70s. Was the last time you had to change the points and plugs?
Planned obsolescence.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 03:40 PM (utT6Q)
I have found that the newer cars I have now are actually more reliable that the ones I had in the 60s and 70s. Was the last time you had to change the points and plugs?
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 22, 2017 03:43 PM (mpXpK)
236
Denniger has been harping on healthcare and how to fix it for months now. If you want to read serious thought on how that is done, then go over to the market-ticker and read his stuff. For the TL;DR crowd the condensed version is that a 3.5 trillion dollar industry must become a 1 trillion dollar industry..........or we're all doomed.
Posted by: DFCtomm at May 22, 2017 03:43 PM (50gG9)
Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI at May 22, 2017 03:44 PM (5Uq5D)
238
The Gordian Knot can be done without a repeal.
Simply pass a law that states: Notwithstanding any provision of any other law, the right to free contract for health insurance or health care services shall not be infringed.
Posted by: MAGA
______
I like the idea of just having a choice for consumers and letting ObamaCare enrollees wither on the vine.
Simply pass a law that states: Notwithstanding any provision of any other law, the right to free contract for health insurance or health care services shall not be infringed.
Posted by: MAGA
______
I like the idea of just having a choice for consumers and letting ObamaCare enrollees wither on the vine.
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 03:44 PM (zu/Gn)
239
Cheapest bare bones pickup is 20k
Average pickup is around 35K
Ridiculous multiaxle, extend cab kitchen sink pickups go for upwards of 75K
Average pickup is around 35K
Ridiculous multiaxle, extend cab kitchen sink pickups go for upwards of 75K
Posted by: Kreplach at May 22, 2017 03:44 PM (CPYQe)
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Gosh, it's almost as though federal fleet fuel-economy mandates which require an ordinary pickup truck to have a high-tech aluminum body, a twin-turbo engine, and a ten-speed automatic transmission, in order to hit the gas-sipping target imposed by government diktat, are going to result in extremely expensive pickup trucks.
Who woulda thunk?
Who woulda thunk?
Posted by: torquewrench at May 22, 2017 03:44 PM (ujwCG)
241
"I think leasing fits best what I want. I don't want to own any more cars that aren't under warranty. That's the main thing.
And I don't want to deal with the hassle and BOHICA that comes with trying to sell or trade in a used car."
Got it. I've had good luck with used Subarus that were well out of warranty, but then I also know a trustworthy mechanic who is willing to take the vehicles I'm done with, usually around a quarter million miles. So, good luck in your quest for a better ride.
And I don't want to deal with the hassle and BOHICA that comes with trying to sell or trade in a used car."
Got it. I've had good luck with used Subarus that were well out of warranty, but then I also know a trustworthy mechanic who is willing to take the vehicles I'm done with, usually around a quarter million miles. So, good luck in your quest for a better ride.
Posted by: Western Slope Mope at May 22, 2017 03:45 PM (WrMht)
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234 The car market appears to be crashing. Used prices are dropping, and new sales are dropping, despite massive incentives.
If you can afford to wait, prices are likely to be lower going forward.
Of course, this could be a bellweather for the overall economy ...
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 22, 2017 03:43 PM (DMUuz)
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Who knows? Anyway, most of the "new and improved Americans" I see in my area are driving new cars (30-day tags and all). Most of them are GMs.
If you can afford to wait, prices are likely to be lower going forward.
Of course, this could be a bellweather for the overall economy ...
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 22, 2017 03:43 PM (DMUuz)
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Who knows? Anyway, most of the "new and improved Americans" I see in my area are driving new cars (30-day tags and all). Most of them are GMs.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 22, 2017 03:45 PM (vg8iE)
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Seriously, I think I have slipped between the cracks and the Feds do not know I exist.
Posted by: zombie
Try not paying your income tax, see what happens
Posted by: zombie
Try not paying your income tax, see what happens
Posted by: Jean at May 22, 2017 03:45 PM (HIiAc)
244
Sounds like an opening for a new car manufacturer in the market.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Last new car manufacturer was Hyundai. How many 10 yr old Hyundais are still on the road as opposed to 20 yr old trucks?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Last new car manufacturer was Hyundai. How many 10 yr old Hyundais are still on the road as opposed to 20 yr old trucks?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 03:45 PM (utT6Q)
Posted by: McCool at May 22, 2017 03:45 PM (sZaoP)
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 03:45 PM (C52a9)
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@Vic We Have No Party
I'm willing to pay a little more to not have to deal with the trade in.
Here's the Audi Q7 (I said 'no') numbers
FINANCE OPTIONS
Cash Down 36 months
APR: 3.90 % 48 months
APR: 3.90 % 54 months
APR: 3.90 %
$2,500 $2117 $1619 $1452
$3,500 $2088 $1596 $1432
$4,500 $2058 $1573 $1412
LEASE OPTIONS
Cash Due 24 months
15,000 Miles 30 months
15,000 Miles 36 months
15,000 Miles
$2,500 $1455 $1324 $1216
$3,500 $1408 $1286 $1184
I'm willing to pay a little more to not have to deal with the trade in.
Here's the Audi Q7 (I said 'no') numbers
FINANCE OPTIONS
Cash Down 36 months
APR: 3.90 % 48 months
APR: 3.90 % 54 months
APR: 3.90 %
$2,500 $2117 $1619 $1452
$3,500 $2088 $1596 $1432
$4,500 $2058 $1573 $1412
LEASE OPTIONS
Cash Due 24 months
15,000 Miles 30 months
15,000 Miles 36 months
15,000 Miles
$2,500 $1455 $1324 $1216
$3,500 $1408 $1286 $1184
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 03:45 PM (3OIiX)
248
Sounds like an opening for a new car manufacturer in the market.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 03:41 PM (viSzi)
I'd like one without a computer.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 03:41 PM (viSzi)
I'd like one without a computer.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 03:45 PM (Ri/rl)
249
I have found that the newer cars I have now are
actually more reliable that the ones I had in the 60s and 70s. Was the
last time you had to change the points and plugs?
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 22, 2017 03:43 PM (mpXpK)
This is true, but I would much rather have to trouble shoot an electrical problem on the old car than an electrical problem on a new one. When it works it works great, but when it doesn't......you'll trade it in just because of aggravation.
actually more reliable that the ones I had in the 60s and 70s. Was the
last time you had to change the points and plugs?
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 22, 2017 03:43 PM (mpXpK)
This is true, but I would much rather have to trouble shoot an electrical problem on the old car than an electrical problem on a new one. When it works it works great, but when it doesn't......you'll trade it in just because of aggravation.
Posted by: DFCtomm at May 22, 2017 03:45 PM (50gG9)
250
The Gordian Knot can be done without a repeal.
Simply pass a law that states: Notwithstanding any provision of any other law, the right to free contract for health insurance or health care services shall not be infringed.
Posted by: MAGA at May 22, 2017 03:41 PM (LQ1Q3)
Well stated.
Simply pass a law that states: Notwithstanding any provision of any other law, the right to free contract for health insurance or health care services shall not be infringed.
Posted by: MAGA at May 22, 2017 03:41 PM (LQ1Q3)
Well stated.
Posted by: The Repealing Hat at May 22, 2017 03:46 PM (rUIbB)
Posted by: Aunt Maxie Pad at May 22, 2017 03:46 PM (K3F/8)
252
All car buying decisions are "stupid" you have just have to find the one that gives the right balance of your finances and how much headache you want.
The "smart" money is to buy used and make repairs as needed, but if you can afford it, I understand someone just leasing an inexpensive new car and redoing that every few years.
All car buying decisions are "stupid" you have just have to find the one that gives the right balance of your finances and how much headache you want.
The "smart" money is to buy used and make repairs as needed, but if you can afford it, I understand someone just leasing an inexpensive new car and redoing that every few years.
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 03:47 PM (zu/Gn)
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246 I have never owned a new car.
Smelled one once.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 03:45 PM (C52a9)
I've never had a used car. The Tahoe is my 6th car and the second car he bought me unprompted. He ordered it for me as a surprise.
Smelled one once.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 03:45 PM (C52a9)
I've never had a used car. The Tahoe is my 6th car and the second car he bought me unprompted. He ordered it for me as a surprise.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 03:47 PM (Ri/rl)
254
Leasing a car is not cost beneficial unless you are leasing it for a business making the lease payments tax deductible and even that is debatable.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
Sure. But you hit a certain age and say, 'WTF, I don't care, scrimped pennies all my life, I'd like a new car every couple years with the latest tech.' I'm willing to spend X dollars a month for an automobile. Then spend it.
It's like renting vs buying a home. Sure a home *could* be cheaper. On a long enough timeline. Some of us are running out of timeline and don't GAF anymore.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
Sure. But you hit a certain age and say, 'WTF, I don't care, scrimped pennies all my life, I'd like a new car every couple years with the latest tech.' I'm willing to spend X dollars a month for an automobile. Then spend it.
It's like renting vs buying a home. Sure a home *could* be cheaper. On a long enough timeline. Some of us are running out of timeline and don't GAF anymore.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 22, 2017 03:47 PM (HTdUD)
255
Have you annoyed your Senator today about repealing Obamacare?
Posted by: rd at May 22, 2017 02:46 PM (XSEwK)
.............
Kamala Harris and Diane Feinstein?
Something tells me sending them an e-mail would put me on some kind of list that automatically signs me up for the camps, or volunteers me for Soylent Green.
Posted by: rd at May 22, 2017 02:46 PM (XSEwK)
.............
Kamala Harris and Diane Feinstein?
Something tells me sending them an e-mail would put me on some kind of list that automatically signs me up for the camps, or volunteers me for Soylent Green.
Posted by: wth at May 22, 2017 03:47 PM (HgMAr)
256
I'd like one without a computer.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 03:45 PM (Ri/rl)
An engine only needs about 5 sensors to run a moderately complex fuel injection system. The ever increases complexity is intentional.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 03:45 PM (Ri/rl)
An engine only needs about 5 sensors to run a moderately complex fuel injection system. The ever increases complexity is intentional.
Posted by: DFCtomm at May 22, 2017 03:47 PM (50gG9)
257
Exactly. They destroyed the supply of inexpensive, reliable used cars. It will take years to recover.
Posted by: Insomniac
Even worse, around here anyway, is that it is really hard to get cars to pass inspection. I'm driving an '04 at the moment that will not pass this August because of a rust hole in the rocker panel. Not that long ago I would have sold it for a few bucks to someone who needed a car which would run for a couple of years (tires have that much left in them), probably to get to and from work. Now it can't be sold, except for scrap. I lose out, poor people lose out, and car manufacturers make out. At this rate the market will never recover.
Posted by: Insomniac
Even worse, around here anyway, is that it is really hard to get cars to pass inspection. I'm driving an '04 at the moment that will not pass this August because of a rust hole in the rocker panel. Not that long ago I would have sold it for a few bucks to someone who needed a car which would run for a couple of years (tires have that much left in them), probably to get to and from work. Now it can't be sold, except for scrap. I lose out, poor people lose out, and car manufacturers make out. At this rate the market will never recover.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at May 22, 2017 03:48 PM (kUmUV)
258
re: O-Care
all the things that the people say they like about it are precisely things that make it unsustainable:
- community rating
- essential benefits
- pre-existing conditions
- coverage of kids til 26
you cant 'fix' o-care w/o eliminating or dramatically changing these provisions
all the things that the people say they like about it are precisely things that make it unsustainable:
- community rating
- essential benefits
- pre-existing conditions
- coverage of kids til 26
you cant 'fix' o-care w/o eliminating or dramatically changing these provisions
Posted by: McCool at May 22, 2017 03:49 PM (sZaoP)
259
>>>>I recently browsed CarMax looking for a cheap used car and was shocked
that every decent modest car I looked at was both $10,000 and already
had 100,000 miles on it.
$10,000 *and* 100,000 miles!
It seemed crazy.
Posted by: Kensington at May 22, 2017 03:33 PM (Cw3TC)
Direct
result of Obama and the Democrats giving away the store to GM and
Chrysler to keep the unions happy. Can you say cash for clunkers.
.
.
.
.Yep. That whole episode pulled about 10 years of gently used cars out of circulation. Heck I cashed in after that and sold my 2004 Corolla that had 150,000 miles on it in 2010 for $4,000.
Cash for clunkers distorted the used car market for at least a decade.
that every decent modest car I looked at was both $10,000 and already
had 100,000 miles on it.
$10,000 *and* 100,000 miles!
It seemed crazy.
Posted by: Kensington at May 22, 2017 03:33 PM (Cw3TC)
Direct
result of Obama and the Democrats giving away the store to GM and
Chrysler to keep the unions happy. Can you say cash for clunkers.
.
.
.
.Yep. That whole episode pulled about 10 years of gently used cars out of circulation. Heck I cashed in after that and sold my 2004 Corolla that had 150,000 miles on it in 2010 for $4,000.
Cash for clunkers distorted the used car market for at least a decade.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 22, 2017 03:49 PM (le7jz)
260
@Maritime
I never picked up mechanical skills. Computers? Fine. Internal Combustion Engines are witchcraft to me.
Bleh.
May just go get the Acura and call it done.
I was going for a Ford Edge Sport but the local dealerships are being pains in the butt.
I never picked up mechanical skills. Computers? Fine. Internal Combustion Engines are witchcraft to me.
Bleh.
May just go get the Acura and call it done.
I was going for a Ford Edge Sport but the local dealerships are being pains in the butt.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 03:49 PM (3OIiX)
261
>> Trending on Facebook, from MSN, Melania slapped away Trump's hand at Tel Aviv airport.
Hmmm...and Weiner just plead guilty to doing what?
These MSM with their obsessions/distractions have jumped the shark so many times the shark swam away, bored.
Hmmm...and Weiner just plead guilty to doing what?
These MSM with their obsessions/distractions have jumped the shark so many times the shark swam away, bored.
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 22, 2017 03:49 PM (NOIQH)
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Posted by: moon_over_vermont at May 22, 2017 03:48 PM (kUmUV)
That whole car inspection thing is a scam.
That whole car inspection thing is a scam.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 22, 2017 03:49 PM (0mRoj)
263
The only brand new car I ever owned was an 85 'vette.
It was bright red, four speed and brand spanking new.
I bought it straight out of college, found it when I was shopping for a used car.... and couldnt turn down the deal.
A Chevette, it was.
The only brand new car I ever owned was an 85 'vette.
It was bright red, four speed and brand spanking new.
I bought it straight out of college, found it when I was shopping for a used car.... and couldnt turn down the deal.
A Chevette, it was.
Posted by: Ulterior Motive Penis at May 22, 2017 03:50 PM (8XRCm)
264
fuck
fuck
Posted by: fixerupper at May 22, 2017 03:50 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI at May 22, 2017 03:50 PM (5Uq5D)
266
>>Ridiculous multiaxle, extend cab kitchen sink pickups go for upwards of 75K
I'm about to make my 2nd boat delivery of over 1000 miles each way in the last month. I'll take the kitchen sink thank you very much.
I'm about to make my 2nd boat delivery of over 1000 miles each way in the last month. I'll take the kitchen sink thank you very much.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 22, 2017 03:50 PM (/tuJf)
267
I've never had a used car. The Tahoe is my 6th car and the second car he bought me unprompted. He ordered it for me as a surprise.
Posted by: CaliGirl
===
Lovey?
Posted by: CaliGirl
===
Lovey?
Posted by: Thurston Howell III at May 22, 2017 03:50 PM (C52a9)
268
I have a suspicion that the Federal government does not know I exist.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:28 PM (DQ4Fv)
Your suspicion is unfounded. You're what is known in corporate marketing circles as a 'Key Opinion Leader', a term which means exactly what it says. One of the first steps in researching any given political and/or socio-economic grouping would be to identify people just like you.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:28 PM (DQ4Fv)
Your suspicion is unfounded. You're what is known in corporate marketing circles as a 'Key Opinion Leader', a term which means exactly what it says. One of the first steps in researching any given political and/or socio-economic grouping would be to identify people just like you.
Posted by: troyriser at May 22, 2017 03:51 PM (Fw5cQ)
269
Posted by: Ulterior Motive Penis at May 22, 2017 03:50 PM (8XRCm)
264
fuck
Posted by: fixerupper at May 22, 2017 03:50 PM (8XRCm)
Well duh.
264
fuck
Posted by: fixerupper at May 22, 2017 03:50 PM (8XRCm)
Well duh.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 22, 2017 03:51 PM (0mRoj)
270
So I see we have a scandal of non hand holding brush off from the Trumps... Oh the horror.... Seriously though is the media serious about this?
Posted by: It's Me donna at May 22, 2017 03:51 PM (O2RFr)
271
267 I've never had a used car. The Tahoe is my 6th car and the second car he bought me unprompted. He ordered it for me as a surprise.
Posted by: CaliGirl
===
Lovey?
Posted by: Thurston Howell III at May 22, 2017 03:50 PM (C52a9)
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Ha! Reminds me of a woman my mother knew who once made the comment that she had never lived in a used house.
Posted by: CaliGirl
===
Lovey?
Posted by: Thurston Howell III at May 22, 2017 03:50 PM (C52a9)
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Ha! Reminds me of a woman my mother knew who once made the comment that she had never lived in a used house.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 22, 2017 03:51 PM (vg8iE)
272
204 Guy at work was telling me people are dropping 60k+ on pickups...wtf
Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI at May 22, 2017 03:34 PM (5Uq5D)
That's about what they cost with all the bells and whistles.
I just got my new Tahoe and they aren't cheap.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 03:40 PM (Ri/rl)
Yes, that is what a large percentage of "pick up trucks" cost today.
Why? Because the overwhelming majority of pickups have crew cabs, all the heavy duty brakes, transmission coolers, radiators, heavy or extra batteries, etc. Then the insides are full of electronics, some because of consumer demand, some because of government regulations. Add in all the extra computer stuff on the engine, and additional safety featurers mandated such as side bags, air bags, etc. and voila, $60,000.
Try to find a single cab, long bed pick up new. I guarantee it will a 3/4 ton, white, and look ready for the utility company. And it will still cost $35,000-40,000 and will likely have to ordered as there won't be one on the lot.
Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI at May 22, 2017 03:34 PM (5Uq5D)
That's about what they cost with all the bells and whistles.
I just got my new Tahoe and they aren't cheap.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 03:40 PM (Ri/rl)
Yes, that is what a large percentage of "pick up trucks" cost today.
Why? Because the overwhelming majority of pickups have crew cabs, all the heavy duty brakes, transmission coolers, radiators, heavy or extra batteries, etc. Then the insides are full of electronics, some because of consumer demand, some because of government regulations. Add in all the extra computer stuff on the engine, and additional safety featurers mandated such as side bags, air bags, etc. and voila, $60,000.
Try to find a single cab, long bed pick up new. I guarantee it will a 3/4 ton, white, and look ready for the utility company. And it will still cost $35,000-40,000 and will likely have to ordered as there won't be one on the lot.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 22, 2017 03:51 PM (62eBc)
273
It'll never recover due to the shit they build now. It doesn't last.
Planned obsolescence.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 03:40 PM (
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Don't agree. Back in the 50's, 60's, 70's, owning a care with 200,000 to 300,000 miles on it was unheard of. Now it's become commonplace. The Japs started it by building cars that wouldn't die. American automakers had to start doing the same thing or die off (which some of them did).
It'll never recover due to the shit they build now. It doesn't last.
Planned obsolescence.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2017 03:40 PM (
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Don't agree. Back in the 50's, 60's, 70's, owning a care with 200,000 to 300,000 miles on it was unheard of. Now it's become commonplace. The Japs started it by building cars that wouldn't die. American automakers had to start doing the same thing or die off (which some of them did).
Posted by: Soona at May 22, 2017 03:51 PM (Fmupd)
274
An engine only needs about 5 sensors to run a moderately complex fuel injection system. The ever increases complexity is intentional.
Posted by: DFCtomm at May 22, 2017 03:47 PM (50gG9)
They make them that way so you have to take them to the dealer for repairs.
Posted by: DFCtomm at May 22, 2017 03:47 PM (50gG9)
They make them that way so you have to take them to the dealer for repairs.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 03:51 PM (Ri/rl)
275
255 Have you annoyed your Senator today about repealing Obamacare?
Posted by: rd at May 22, 2017 02:46 PM (XSEwK)
.............
Kamala Harris and Diane Feinstein?
Something tells me sending them an e-mail would put me on some kind of list that automatically signs me up for the camps, or volunteers me for Soylent Green.
Posted by: wth at May 22, 2017 03:47 PM (HgMAr)
==============
If you're feeling particularly angry, you could demand that the two do everything that they can to help your state adopt socialized medicine. That could include the repeal of the ACA, although it's not really necessary.
Posted by: rd at May 22, 2017 02:46 PM (XSEwK)
.............
Kamala Harris and Diane Feinstein?
Something tells me sending them an e-mail would put me on some kind of list that automatically signs me up for the camps, or volunteers me for Soylent Green.
Posted by: wth at May 22, 2017 03:47 PM (HgMAr)
==============
If you're feeling particularly angry, you could demand that the two do everything that they can to help your state adopt socialized medicine. That could include the repeal of the ACA, although it's not really necessary.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 22, 2017 03:51 PM (viSzi)
Posted by: The Pussy Nazi at May 22, 2017 03:52 PM (HgMAr)
277
What about Trump and his master negotiation skills? I tight that's what he got elected to do.
Posted by: rexbatt at May 22, 2017 03:52 PM (dS8cF)
278
276 No pussy for you!
*hand slap*
Posted by: The Pussy Nazi at May 22, 2017 03:52 PM (HgMAr)
#twoweeks
*hand slap*
Posted by: The Pussy Nazi at May 22, 2017 03:52 PM (HgMAr)
#twoweeks
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 22, 2017 03:52 PM (0mRoj)
279
Also who cares? "BREAKING: Wife Annoyed By Something Husband Does?"
Posted by: Kensington at May 22, 2017 03:11 PM
Can you imagine how tired, stressed, and sick of not eating goat meat shoved at her she must be? Sleep, some Slovenian food in Europe, and silence for several hours and Melania will be right back in top form. I know how cranky my wife gets when she is tired, hungry and sick of a bunch of goobers bugging her.
Posted by: Kensington at May 22, 2017 03:11 PM
Can you imagine how tired, stressed, and sick of not eating goat meat shoved at her she must be? Sleep, some Slovenian food in Europe, and silence for several hours and Melania will be right back in top form. I know how cranky my wife gets when she is tired, hungry and sick of a bunch of goobers bugging her.
Posted by: Lester at May 22, 2017 03:53 PM (LfJIn)
280
The car market appears to be crashing. Used prices are dropping, and new sales are dropping, despite massive incentives.
Ford dumped their old CEO and are laying off 10% of salaried workers.
The car market appears to be crashing. Used prices are dropping, and new sales are dropping, despite massive incentives.
Ford dumped their old CEO and are laying off 10% of salaried workers.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2017 03:53 PM (IqV8l)
281
People don't know this, because they keep it like a secret, the media doesn't report it, but the growth rate in health care employment has been less since Obamacare passed than before passage.
IOW, all this extra money being thrown into the system don't mean squat if there isn't an increase in employment or efficiency.
IOW, all this extra money being thrown into the system don't mean squat if there isn't an increase in employment or efficiency.
Posted by: MAGA at May 22, 2017 03:53 PM (LQ1Q3)
282
Ace needs to stop reading the Fake News blog known as Hot Air.
Ace needs to stop reading the Fake News blog known as Hot Air.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 22, 2017 03:53 PM (Ao3oZ)
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I never picked up mechanical skills. Computers? Fine. Internal Combustion Engines are witchcraft to me.
Bleh.
May just go get the Acura and call it done.
I was going for a Ford Edge Sport but the local dealerships are being pains in the butt.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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I completely understand, I know cars pretty well (I own a lift in my garage and a lot of money in tools) It's sort of a hobby of mine.
But some things like landscaping, I hire out.
Some car companies are really aggressive with leasing and some aren't.
My advice is shop around and not be married to a brand.
One car brand you may want to look at is Subaru. I didn't look at their lease rates, but they really seemed to offer a lot of car for the money compared to others I was looking at.
Bleh.
May just go get the Acura and call it done.
I was going for a Ford Edge Sport but the local dealerships are being pains in the butt.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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I completely understand, I know cars pretty well (I own a lift in my garage and a lot of money in tools) It's sort of a hobby of mine.
But some things like landscaping, I hire out.
Some car companies are really aggressive with leasing and some aren't.
My advice is shop around and not be married to a brand.
One car brand you may want to look at is Subaru. I didn't look at their lease rates, but they really seemed to offer a lot of car for the money compared to others I was looking at.
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 03:53 PM (zu/Gn)
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278 276 No pussy for you!
*hand slap*
The only person obama held hands with was his daughter... I found that sort of creepy...
*hand slap*
The only person obama held hands with was his daughter... I found that sort of creepy...
Posted by: It's Me donna at May 22, 2017 03:53 PM (O2RFr)
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Nood
Posted by: tu3031 at May 22, 2017 03:54 PM (qJhUV)
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@Jen the original
Look for Ram 1500's. They come closest to what you're talking about. I HAVE seen some used ones under 20k in the Seattle area.
Look for Ram 1500's. They come closest to what you're talking about. I HAVE seen some used ones under 20k in the Seattle area.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 03:54 PM (3OIiX)
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The only brand new car I ever owned was an 85 'vette.
It was bright red, four speed and brand spanking new.
I bought it straight out of college, found it when I was shopping for a used car.... and couldnt turn down the deal.
A Chevette, it was.
Posted by: Ulterior Motive Penis
LOL. The car with no brakes. I mean you pressed down on the pedal and it slowed down a little but it was mainly sudden prayer to deities that brought it to a quick stop.
It was bright red, four speed and brand spanking new.
I bought it straight out of college, found it when I was shopping for a used car.... and couldnt turn down the deal.
A Chevette, it was.
Posted by: Ulterior Motive Penis
LOL. The car with no brakes. I mean you pressed down on the pedal and it slowed down a little but it was mainly sudden prayer to deities that brought it to a quick stop.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 22, 2017 03:54 PM (HTdUD)
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It's depressing Ace, which is exactly what Hot Air's crap is designed to do: demoralize conservatives.
It's depressing Ace, which is exactly what Hot Air's crap is designed to do: demoralize conservatives.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 22, 2017 03:54 PM (Ao3oZ)
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281 People don't know this, because they keep it like a secret, the media doesn't report it, but the growth rate in health care employment has been less since Obamacare passed than before passage.
IOW, all this extra money being thrown into the system don't mean squat if there isn't an increase in employment or efficiency.
Posted by: MAGA at May 22, 2017 03:53 PM (LQ1Q3)
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I'm not seeing any problems.
IOW, all this extra money being thrown into the system don't mean squat if there isn't an increase in employment or efficiency.
Posted by: MAGA at May 22, 2017 03:53 PM (LQ1Q3)
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I'm not seeing any problems.
Posted by: Red Tape at May 22, 2017 03:54 PM (viSzi)
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Posted by: rexbatt
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As the dog returns to it's vomit, so the Nevertrumper trolls return to the blog.
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As the dog returns to it's vomit, so the Nevertrumper trolls return to the blog.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 22, 2017 03:54 PM (C52a9)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 22, 2017 03:54 PM (3OIiX)
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The ever increases complexity is intentional.
Posted by: DFCtomm at May 22, 2017 03:47 PM (50gG9)
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I changed my passengers headlamp on my Sierra. You have to take the breather box out and unhook the MAF sensor to do that.
I also replaced rotors and brakepads at the same time.
When I restarted the truck, the antilock brakes and the posi trac warning lights cam on. I really thought I had messed something up with the brakes.
After an afternoon of fiddling with the brake sensors, I finally realized I hadnt hooked up my MAF harness. Did that and the ABS and Positrac codes went away.
Why the fuck would antilock brakes be in any way dependent on the MAF sensor???
Posted by: DFCtomm at May 22, 2017 03:47 PM (50gG9)
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I changed my passengers headlamp on my Sierra. You have to take the breather box out and unhook the MAF sensor to do that.
I also replaced rotors and brakepads at the same time.
When I restarted the truck, the antilock brakes and the posi trac warning lights cam on. I really thought I had messed something up with the brakes.
After an afternoon of fiddling with the brake sensors, I finally realized I hadnt hooked up my MAF harness. Did that and the ABS and Positrac codes went away.
Why the fuck would antilock brakes be in any way dependent on the MAF sensor???
Posted by: fixerupper at May 22, 2017 03:55 PM (8XRCm)
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Posted by: Jen the original at May 22, 2017 03:51 PM (62eBc)
I don't know why they're so expensive but they are. We have a small fleet of trucks. I can't believe how expensive they are.
My husband started buying the dodge trucks with diesel engines. All our trucks have to be four wheel drive too.
When he tells me how much they cost, I'm still shocked. It's a truck.
I don't know why they're so expensive but they are. We have a small fleet of trucks. I can't believe how expensive they are.
My husband started buying the dodge trucks with diesel engines. All our trucks have to be four wheel drive too.
When he tells me how much they cost, I'm still shocked. It's a truck.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 03:55 PM (Ri/rl)
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"Anyway, most of the 'new and improved Americans' I see in my area are
driving new cars (30-day tags and all). Most of them are GMs."
I occasionally drive past some "low-income housing" that was put in to satisfy HUD mandates. All the units have their own parking, even though the same fedgov at the same time was insisting that cars were killing the Erf.
I've never seen any vehicle parked there that was not a glossy late-model unit in fine shape. Old beaters? Maintained by owner? Hah! Those are driven by suckers. Members of the serf class who are foolishly paying their own way in life, *and* paying for these moochers to boot.
driving new cars (30-day tags and all). Most of them are GMs."
I occasionally drive past some "low-income housing" that was put in to satisfy HUD mandates. All the units have their own parking, even though the same fedgov at the same time was insisting that cars were killing the Erf.
I've never seen any vehicle parked there that was not a glossy late-model unit in fine shape. Old beaters? Maintained by owner? Hah! Those are driven by suckers. Members of the serf class who are foolishly paying their own way in life, *and* paying for these moochers to boot.
Posted by: torquewrench at May 22, 2017 03:55 PM (ujwCG)
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>> Trending on Facebook, from MSN, Melania slapped away Trump's hand at Tel Aviv airport.
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WE MUST GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS
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WE MUST GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS
Posted by: wth at May 22, 2017 03:56 PM (HgMAr)
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What's wrong here?! There hasn't been a good conceptual penis tie-in for more than a hundred comments! Everybody drunk already?!
Posted by: goon at May 22, 2017 03:56 PM (EaQ6/)
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Back in the 50's, 60's, 70's, owning a care with 200,000 to 300,000 miles on it was unheard of. Now it's become commonplace.
Posted by: Soona at May 22, 2017 03:51 PM (Fmupd)
I've got an '06 Silverado. Just rolled past 184K miles.
Posted by: Soona at May 22, 2017 03:51 PM (Fmupd)
I've got an '06 Silverado. Just rolled past 184K miles.
Posted by: Country Singer at May 22, 2017 03:56 PM (uiwCw)
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met a gal who claims to be your cousin z .. was trying to verify her story ..is all.
Posted by: KansasCJ at May 22, 2017 03:58 PM (Mtj6H)
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I really wish people would give the free market a chance.
True, some peoples' insurance would cost more than others'. But I suspect everyones' costs would go down, except for those whose insurance is paid for by other people.
True, some peoples' insurance would cost more than others'. But I suspect everyones' costs would go down, except for those whose insurance is paid for by other people.
Posted by: Emmie at May 22, 2017 03:58 PM (ZapPq)
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don't know why they're so expensive but they are. We have a small fleet of trucks. I can't believe how expensive they are.
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Because city kids that dont need them buy them. Why?? Because they are the last vehicles that have any "leg room".
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Because city kids that dont need them buy them. Why?? Because they are the last vehicles that have any "leg room".
Posted by: fixerupper at May 22, 2017 03:58 PM (8XRCm)
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In my entire life, I have never been contacted by any census taker, in person, via the mail or otherwise. I have a suspicion that the Federal government does not know I exist.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:28 PM (DQ4Fv)
They don't count zombies. Duh.
In my entire life, I have never been contacted by any census taker, in person, via the mail or otherwise. I have a suspicion that the Federal government does not know I exist.
Posted by: zombie at May 22, 2017 03:28 PM (DQ4Fv)
They don't count zombies. Duh.
Posted by: rickl at May 22, 2017 03:59 PM (xjiRE)
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If I was hanging with her, I would be one big walking hematoma from getting my hands slapped.
Posted by: goon at May 22, 2017 03:59 PM (EaQ6/)
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I completely understand, I know cars pretty well (I own a lift in my garage and a lot of money in tools) It's sort of a hobby of mine.
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 03:53 PM (zu/Gn)
*Sidles up to Maritime*
"So, ole buddy ole pal...case of beer? Handle of bourbon? I could use a little help replacing the frame on this Wrangler."
Posted by: Maritime at May 22, 2017 03:53 PM (zu/Gn)
*Sidles up to Maritime*
"So, ole buddy ole pal...case of beer? Handle of bourbon? I could use a little help replacing the frame on this Wrangler."
Posted by: Country Singer at May 22, 2017 04:00 PM (uiwCw)
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They make them that way so you have to take them to the dealer for repairs.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 03:51 PM (Ri/rl)
The three basic function of a car:
steeringaccelerationbrakingThey all use to be directly under a drivers control, but slowly they started to put a computer in between the driver and the car. That started a good 10-15 years ago. They knew driverless cars were coming way before they let us in on it.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 22, 2017 03:51 PM (Ri/rl)
The three basic function of a car:
steeringaccelerationbrakingThey all use to be directly under a drivers control, but slowly they started to put a computer in between the driver and the car. That started a good 10-15 years ago. They knew driverless cars were coming way before they let us in on it.
Posted by: DFCtomm at May 22, 2017 04:00 PM (50gG9)
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Why?? Because they are the last vehicles that have any "leg room".
Yeah, I just paid a whole bunch of money fixing the AC my 2005 town car, because I don't want to have to deal with searching out a new vehicle that has real room inside.
Yeah, I just paid a whole bunch of money fixing the AC my 2005 town car, because I don't want to have to deal with searching out a new vehicle that has real room inside.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 22, 2017 04:00 PM (2lndx)
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Why the fuck would antilock brakes be in any way dependent on the MAF sensor???
Posted by: fixerupper at May 22, 2017 03:55 PM (8XRCm)
Possibly convenience. If they were "relatively" close to each other the sensors may have all shared the same electrical supply. There is probably a practical reason for it, but I don't have enough specific knowledge to say.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 22, 2017 03:55 PM (8XRCm)
Possibly convenience. If they were "relatively" close to each other the sensors may have all shared the same electrical supply. There is probably a practical reason for it, but I don't have enough specific knowledge to say.
Posted by: DFCtomm at May 22, 2017 04:04 PM (50gG9)
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WE MUST GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS
Posted by: wth at May 22, 2017 03:56 PM (HgMAr)
One website was Zaprudering the slap-away. I think it's funny. It looks to me that she's pissed at him about something.
so much for Melania being an abused Stepford Wife. Guy on local radio said she want Spicey gone.
Posted by: wth at May 22, 2017 03:56 PM (HgMAr)
One website was Zaprudering the slap-away. I think it's funny. It looks to me that she's pissed at him about something.
so much for Melania being an abused Stepford Wife. Guy on local radio said she want Spicey gone.
Posted by: kallisto at May 22, 2017 04:06 PM (kD8Fh)
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Kamala Harris
Posted by: wth at May 22, 2017 03:47 PM
That's Madame President 2024 or 2028.
On the gripping hand, how 'bout them Cali Dems shouting "Fvck Trump!!" whilst waving both their middle fingers?
Posted by: wth at May 22, 2017 03:47 PM
That's Madame President 2024 or 2028.
On the gripping hand, how 'bout them Cali Dems shouting "Fvck Trump!!" whilst waving both their middle fingers?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 22, 2017 04:15 PM (DMUuz)
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They don't count zombies. Duh.
Posted by: rickl at May 22, 2017 03:59 PM
OTOH, zombies never have to say YOLO.
Posted by: rickl at May 22, 2017 03:59 PM
OTOH, zombies never have to say YOLO.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 22, 2017 04:18 PM (DMUuz)
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Wait. I thought Trump was going to get rid of the lines around the states (having crossed several state lines since January 20 I think he succeeded because I didn't see any lines around the states). Or I thought Trump, who IS a statist (and it cannot be denied that Trump is a statist) wants an absolute government monopoly in the medical world. He had to appease the Bernie supporters that he wanted so very badly. Or we were going to have such great medical care as long as he is President that no one in the country would die - of anything - as long as he was President. I'm so confused...
Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at May 22, 2017 04:24 PM (ocGQU)
Posted by: captain james kirk at May 22, 2017 04:27 PM (nlbfN)
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Guys, thank you. I really, really appreciate your thoughts and advice on this. (Had an appt, and had to step away.)
Also, would appreciate prayers for daughter, who has yet another surgery tomorrow. Poor kids is starting to look like frankenstein, with all the stitching and scars.
Hugs and smooches to you all.
Also, would appreciate prayers for daughter, who has yet another surgery tomorrow. Poor kids is starting to look like frankenstein, with all the stitching and scars.
Hugs and smooches to you all.
Posted by: moki at May 22, 2017 04:45 PM (V+V48)
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"It's depressing Ace, which is exactly what Hot Air's crap is designed to do: demoralize conservatives.
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Anybody catch The Walking Dead? Wottariot! Also, OMG Trump! Impeachment imminent!!1!
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Anybody catch The Walking Dead? Wottariot! Also, OMG Trump! Impeachment imminent!!1!
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