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Gun Thread
Previously I had taken an ill fated canoe trip on the Mighty Mississippi. My entire collection of bolt actions and lever action rifles, pumps and single shot shotguns and handguns both revolvers and semi-autos were swallowed up. I'm thinking about starting a new collection. My old collection did not contain a "black scary" rifle. Any suggestions for the first time buyer/owner? The Ruger AR-556 looks like a nice rifle. So does the Colt AR15A4. Any other suggestions out there? What do you like about your rifle? What don't you like about your rifle? I notice there are several calibers. Which caliber would you suggest for the first timer? What caliber for target shooting? What caliber for hunting? Gosh, there are a zillion scopes out there. Do you recommend open sights or a scope?
Hope you Morons can help out us first timers.
Let's be careful out there.
Comments
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First???
Really???
Really???
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 05:52 PM (FOThK)
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Get big bullets.
Posted by: Javems at May 21, 2017 05:53 PM (yOqwj)
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That basic Colt AR15. Classic, efficient, reliable and easy to maintain.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 05:53 PM (FOThK)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 21, 2017 05:54 PM (SjImc)
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Now having said that, I prefer the .308 for range, accuracy at the distant end and stopping power.
And mine is already paid for!
And mine is already paid for!
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 05:54 PM (FOThK)
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My 22 is a model 62a Winchester given me when I was 12.
My first was a cheapie Stevens, single shot bolt
My first was a cheapie Stevens, single shot bolt
Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 21, 2017 05:55 PM (QTF4v)
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Good thing you weren't carrying your 10 billion in gold ingots in your canoe.
Posted by: Corona at May 21, 2017 05:55 PM (Vequ/)
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5
Now having said that, I prefer the .308 for range, accuracy at the distant end and stopping power.
And mine is already paid for!
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 05:54 PM (FOThK)
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That's what I would have, if I were to have one.
Now having said that, I prefer the .308 for range, accuracy at the distant end and stopping power.
And mine is already paid for!
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 05:54 PM (FOThK)
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That's what I would have, if I were to have one.
Posted by: Javems at May 21, 2017 05:57 PM (yOqwj)
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Something old? Something new?
Check out Franklin Armory's binary trigger system on one of their AR's. Round goes bang when you pull AND release the trigger.
You can just buy the lower all set to go or just the trigger system also. Pricey but looks like a blast.
Legal too.
Check out Franklin Armory's binary trigger system on one of their AR's. Round goes bang when you pull AND release the trigger.
You can just buy the lower all set to go or just the trigger system also. Pricey but looks like a blast.
Legal too.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 05:57 PM (5VlCp)
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Good video!
I see a number of the 'ettes did not have a proper walk through of what to expect.
To that end, the last couple of weeks a few of my workmates have asked me to take them to the range next time. They are all novices so a bit of sit down learning is in order before we go.
I see a number of the 'ettes did not have a proper walk through of what to expect.
To that end, the last couple of weeks a few of my workmates have asked me to take them to the range next time. They are all novices so a bit of sit down learning is in order before we go.
Posted by: Tonypete at May 21, 2017 06:00 PM (tr2D7)
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A nose, chin, and eye guard is a good idea for a female novice....especially if you like them
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 21, 2017 06:01 PM (SjImc)
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Just got out of a showing of Young Frankenstein at NJPAC.
Mel Brooks came out and did an hour QA after.
One of the funniest hours ever.
Mel what's your secret to a long life?
Mel: Don't die.
Brilliant.
Mel Brooks came out and did an hour QA after.
One of the funniest hours ever.
Mel what's your secret to a long life?
Mel: Don't die.
Brilliant.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 21, 2017 06:02 PM (AH6uc)
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I fired a flintcock.
Posted by: Preezy 44 at May 21, 2017 06:04 PM (bc2Lc)
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The best gun: The one in your hands when you need it.
Posted by: The Man from Athens at May 21, 2017 06:04 PM (lQqij)
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Check out Franklin Armory's binary trigger system on one of their AR's. Round goes bang when you pull AND release the trigger.
To me, that's just horrifying from a manual of arms POV. I never want to be in a situation where I need to *not* fire and the gun will fire when I release the trigger.
Yeah you can technically drop your mag and open the action, and/or the safety may put you in some weird hammer-retaining or hammer-drop limbo - but that's just a mess.
Legal too.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 05:57 PM (5VlCp) fnord (5VlCp)
HAHA well you know how bureaucrats love to change their minds. Technically this is more than one round fired per trigger pull, so it would be really easy to reverse this.
Frankly I think all these things are invented by ammunition manufacturers to get you to spend more.
To me, that's just horrifying from a manual of arms POV. I never want to be in a situation where I need to *not* fire and the gun will fire when I release the trigger.
Yeah you can technically drop your mag and open the action, and/or the safety may put you in some weird hammer-retaining or hammer-drop limbo - but that's just a mess.
Legal too.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 05:57 PM (5VlCp) fnord (5VlCp)
HAHA well you know how bureaucrats love to change their minds. Technically this is more than one round fired per trigger pull, so it would be really easy to reverse this.
Frankly I think all these things are invented by ammunition manufacturers to get you to spend more.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 06:04 PM (wB8Tg)
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nose, chin, and eye guard is a good idea for a female novice....especially if you like them
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 21, 2017 06:01 PM (SjImc)
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Suggesting no low or V neck tops for the womynz is a must. Seen too many dancing around while digging for the hot casing in their cleavage.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 21, 2017 06:01 PM (SjImc)
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Suggesting no low or V neck tops for the womynz is a must. Seen too many dancing around while digging for the hot casing in their cleavage.
Posted by: GOULD at May 21, 2017 06:05 PM (Hj4t4)
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Ruger makes very nice little ARs. (I don't think the piston version is worth the extra cost over a DI model, but that's just me, and I have multiple Minions to outfit.) I'm really fond of my Stag Arms lefty version, but would be just as well served with a Ruger, since the standard AR is not aggressively right-handed.
In order, I'd probably go Ruger, Stag, Springfield Armory. Of course, free advice is worth about what you paid for it.
In order, I'd probably go Ruger, Stag, Springfield Armory. Of course, free advice is worth about what you paid for it.
Posted by: Retired Spook at May 21, 2017 06:07 PM (ssHJc)
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Along with our boomsticks, it's not a bad idea to have some encryption equipment.
Like a pocket Enigma Machine (built on the Arduino platform)
http://tinyurl.com/n2r3yqd
http://tinyurl.com/k9qqy85
Kit form, has a cool wooden case
http://tinyurl.com/kna6htm
Along with our boomsticks, it's not a bad idea to have some encryption equipment.
Like a pocket Enigma Machine (built on the Arduino platform)
http://tinyurl.com/n2r3yqd
http://tinyurl.com/k9qqy85
Kit form, has a cool wooden case
http://tinyurl.com/kna6htm
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 21, 2017 06:07 PM (quw2O)
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MH, I'm certainly no expert--I've been watching the AR15 market for a while trying to make a decision. I'm going with 5.56 for my first AR.
For cheap, the DPMS Panther Oracle for $350 after rebate looks hard to beat right now.
http://tinyurl.com/muburdq
For still cheap and probably good, the Ruger AR-556 looks great for $449.
http://tinyurl.com/n2ql9nn
For still cheap and probably better than the Ruger, I'm liking the Savage MSR at $469.
http://tinyurl.com/l268vwr
I'm leaning toward the Savage for three reasons: Midlength instead of carbine length gas system, melonite coating, and Savage's 5R rifling.
For cheap, the DPMS Panther Oracle for $350 after rebate looks hard to beat right now.
http://tinyurl.com/muburdq
For still cheap and probably good, the Ruger AR-556 looks great for $449.
http://tinyurl.com/n2ql9nn
For still cheap and probably better than the Ruger, I'm liking the Savage MSR at $469.
http://tinyurl.com/l268vwr
I'm leaning toward the Savage for three reasons: Midlength instead of carbine length gas system, melonite coating, and Savage's 5R rifling.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 21, 2017 06:08 PM (RuyTK)
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My dad taught me hunting safety.
We went with two of his buddies, after geese.
They had extremely poor muzzle discipline.
We never went with them again.
We went with two of his buddies, after geese.
They had extremely poor muzzle discipline.
We never went with them again.
Posted by: Torche le Burnier at May 21, 2017 06:09 PM (0LmgR)
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Guns are evil!!! Presdent Obama was right when he said that all people should turn in their guns and let the government protect us ....
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 21, 2017 06:10 PM (WmgTn)
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I started with a mid tier Rock River Arms. Now I'm buying top tier from Daniel Defense, Noveske, and LaRue Tactical. When you 10000+ rounds down range in a year, you can feel the difference.
Posted by: Brass at May 21, 2017 06:11 PM (v/Ofr)
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g'afternoon, 'rons
Posted by: AltonJackson at May 21, 2017 06:11 PM (KCxzN)
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Don't want a militarized AR. Want me a huntin' rifle 'cuz the democrats all say they don't want to take away huntin rifles.
Posted by: Torche le Burnier at May 21, 2017 06:11 PM (0LmgR)
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Colt, Ruger, or S-ampersand-W M-and-P in 5.56.
Buy a set of Troy folding sights, front and rear. Not the cheap-ass plastic ones. Learn to use iron sights, the get a red dot or the like. If you mount a scope, be sure to use quick-detach mounts. If the scope goes tits up, you need to be able to remove it quickly.
I've bitten the bullet and will begin building some ARs. One each for a daughter in CA and for a son in NY. REplace evil cosmetic features (pistol grip, bayonet lug, etc.) and perfectly legal to use with detachable 10-round mags.
Buy a set of Troy folding sights, front and rear. Not the cheap-ass plastic ones. Learn to use iron sights, the get a red dot or the like. If you mount a scope, be sure to use quick-detach mounts. If the scope goes tits up, you need to be able to remove it quickly.
I've bitten the bullet and will begin building some ARs. One each for a daughter in CA and for a son in NY. REplace evil cosmetic features (pistol grip, bayonet lug, etc.) and perfectly legal to use with detachable 10-round mags.
Posted by: Butch at May 21, 2017 06:12 PM (hXu8T)
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I should not have laughed that hard at that video, but I did. I feel no need to apologize for that.
I should not have laughed that hard at that video, but I did. I feel no need to apologize for that.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 21, 2017 06:13 PM (HTdUD)
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Heh, #8 Plaxico Burressed.
Posted by: logprof at May 21, 2017 06:13 PM (GsAUU)
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In the event of a hangfire, do NOT look down the barrel.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 06:13 PM (0mRoj)
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Want me a huntin' rifle 'cuz the democrats all say they don't want to take away huntin rifles.
Posted by: Torche le Burnier at May 21, 2017 06:11 PM (0LmgR)
I would not bet the house on that one...They say they love America also? LOL
Posted by: Torche le Burnier at May 21, 2017 06:11 PM (0LmgR)
I would not bet the house on that one...They say they love America also? LOL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 21, 2017 06:13 PM (SjImc)
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In the event of a hangfire, do NOT look down the barrel.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 06:13 PM (0mRoj)
Unless your a liberal.. then be my guest
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 06:13 PM (0mRoj)
Unless your a liberal.. then be my guest
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 21, 2017 06:14 PM (SjImc)
Posted by: 80's music fan at May 21, 2017 06:14 PM (HCnEB)
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Not much of a fan of the cat and rat rifles (AR 15s) but when the Obamster tried to outlaw them I figured they can't be all that bad and I bought 1. I got an entry level one (BCA- Bear Creek Arsenal). Its OK. I don't shoot it that much though.
I'm more of a M1A, Garand, BM59 when it comes to military semi autos. I like something bigger than .223, with some range and punch to it.
I did buy some blanks and jigs to roll my own AR 15 when I get some time though. I view them as Legos for Redneck adults like me..
I'm more of a M1A, Garand, BM59 when it comes to military semi autos. I like something bigger than .223, with some range and punch to it.
I did buy some blanks and jigs to roll my own AR 15 when I get some time though. I view them as Legos for Redneck adults like me..
Posted by: The Walking Dude at May 21, 2017 06:15 PM (ARzf8)
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Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 21, 2017 06:08 PM (RuyTK)
I always enjoyed my Rugers before the canoe mishap
I'm leaning that way with this new purchase
I always enjoyed my Rugers before the canoe mishap
I'm leaning that way with this new purchase
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 21, 2017 06:15 PM (ZTRlp)
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AR's are a mature weapon system, though you can buy a bad one if you want to. Pay a little more (not like three times more) to get one from someone who knows them inside and out.
Nobody has settled on a new cartridge, and a 70-grain 5.56 is actually fairly effective with decent "legs" (but a lot more expensive than stuff like 55-grain Tula, which a lot of people shoot, because, much cheaper).
There are ARs in many calibers for many scenarios, and to some extent you can switch upper receivers to change calibers (the buffer and sometimes other parts are implicated as well).
A lot of people replace the trigger, I suggest looking for a "black box" style trigger so anything that *does* get into the receiver (like a loose primer) can't get inside the trigger assembly.
There are many other options, but the popularity of the AR is only partly accidental.
Nobody has settled on a new cartridge, and a 70-grain 5.56 is actually fairly effective with decent "legs" (but a lot more expensive than stuff like 55-grain Tula, which a lot of people shoot, because, much cheaper).
There are ARs in many calibers for many scenarios, and to some extent you can switch upper receivers to change calibers (the buffer and sometimes other parts are implicated as well).
A lot of people replace the trigger, I suggest looking for a "black box" style trigger so anything that *does* get into the receiver (like a loose primer) can't get inside the trigger assembly.
There are many other options, but the popularity of the AR is only partly accidental.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 06:15 PM (wB8Tg)
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If you want an AR now is the time to buy. They are at rock-bottom prices.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 06:15 PM (0mRoj)
36
It's going to take me some time to de-cringe from that video.
Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at May 21, 2017 06:15 PM (FAO5C)
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If you are planning on reloading your own ammo get a .308. You can easily find military surplus brass and they are easier to load than the .223.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 21, 2017 06:16 PM (mpXpK)
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I have been following up plumbers and collecting their solder scaps and now have 19 solder bullets ( lead free) to try. Weighted them as as my lead bullets come out to 1.21 oz per ( 10 pounds divided) and the solder bullets only come out to all 19 weighting a pound (.84 oz each).
Wish I could do a ballistic test with them. My Brown Bess only puts out somewhere around 900fps but wonder how the lighter bullets would come out.
Wish I could do a ballistic test with them. My Brown Bess only puts out somewhere around 900fps but wonder how the lighter bullets would come out.
Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2017 06:17 PM (Ot7+c)
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7.62 or .308 bolt action; iron sights. Or a lever action with scout sights for the brush.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 21, 2017 06:17 PM (n5625)
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Ruger is my absolute favorite gun maker. They lack the prestige (marketing) of the Kimbers and Brownings and such, but they make good, robust, well-designed, reasonably priced firearms.
Fwiw, my shtf gun would be a crappy old $200 P95 that is heavy and ugly, but that goes bang every time I pull the trigger, and does so very accurately.
Fwiw, my shtf gun would be a crappy old $200 P95 that is heavy and ugly, but that goes bang every time I pull the trigger, and does so very accurately.
Posted by: Chigger Fleas at May 21, 2017 06:17 PM (fD1ST)
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"I always enjoyed my Rugers before the canoe mishap"
I really think Ruger has hit the value sweet spot with a lot of their guns. I have two Ruger pistols and they're both a lot of gun for not much money.
I really think Ruger has hit the value sweet spot with a lot of their guns. I have two Ruger pistols and they're both a lot of gun for not much money.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 21, 2017 06:18 PM (RuyTK)
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Heh, #8 Plaxico Burressed.
Plaxico is very concerned with gun safety.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpgL5kuBpMA
Plaxico is very concerned with gun safety.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpgL5kuBpMA
Posted by: tu3031 at May 21, 2017 06:18 PM (qJhUV)
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I put together an AR from Palmetto State Armory last year for around $470 & it runs very well
if you look for the deals (such as free shipping) you could build my rifle today for around $425
IMHO, start with iron (open) sights; once you have reasonable proficiency with iron sights then you can worry worry about optics
if you look for the deals (such as free shipping) you could build my rifle today for around $425
IMHO, start with iron (open) sights; once you have reasonable proficiency with iron sights then you can worry worry about optics
Posted by: AltonJackson at May 21, 2017 06:18 PM (KCxzN)
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If you're thinking of building an AR, it's a heck of a lot of fun. But keep in mind, there's virtually no way you can save money by building yourself.
Build it because building things is fun. Build it because you want to carefully choose every single part yourself. But economy? Naahhh. Ain't gonna happen.
If you're thinking of building an AR, it's a heck of a lot of fun. But keep in mind, there's virtually no way you can save money by building yourself.
Build it because building things is fun. Build it because you want to carefully choose every single part yourself. But economy? Naahhh. Ain't gonna happen.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 21, 2017 06:18 PM (quw2O)
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LaRue, but your wife will hate it.
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 21, 2017 06:19 PM (cPsPa)
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As for caliber, I'd go with 5.56X45mm since it is everywhere. I do have an Armalite AR-10 in .308 and it is a beast. This is important, make sure you rifle says 5.56 on it as opposed to .223, it makes a difference in that you can safely fire .223 from a 5.56 but not the other way around.
Posted by: Brass at May 21, 2017 06:19 PM (v/Ofr)
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Unless it's for a specialized application, it's very hard to beat the .308 Winchester. If I had to grab one rifle it would probably be an M1A with iron sights.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 06:19 PM (Sfs6o)
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And speakin of huntin rifles, I like the bit in one of those Matt Damon movies where he takes the Frenchman's old double barrel shot gun out into the wheat stubble to shoot the sniper.
Posted by: Torche le Burnier at May 21, 2017 06:19 PM (0LmgR)
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IMHO, start with iron (open) sights; once you have reasonable proficiency with iron sights then you can worry worry about optics
Posted by: AltonJackson at May 21, 2017 06:18 PM (KCxzN)
Agreed.
Posted by: AltonJackson at May 21, 2017 06:18 PM (KCxzN)
Agreed.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 06:20 PM (0mRoj)
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Watching that video, I was making the sharp inhale noise through the whole thing.
Geez.
My nephew was hit in the face with a shotgun the first time he shot. I would never shoot with his friend that took him.
People are stupid.
Geez.
My nephew was hit in the face with a shotgun the first time he shot. I would never shoot with his friend that took him.
People are stupid.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2017 06:20 PM (Ri/rl)
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Frankly I think all these things are invented by ammunition manufacturers to get you to spend more.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 06:04 PM (wB8Tg)
Yup....you will have to train on it a bit to get used to it. The Military Arms channel did a nice review of it on how it works and it's safety features. The fellow that runs that site is not easily impressed and he was with this system.
Worth checking out.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 06:04 PM (wB8Tg)
Yup....you will have to train on it a bit to get used to it. The Military Arms channel did a nice review of it on how it works and it's safety features. The fellow that runs that site is not easily impressed and he was with this system.
Worth checking out.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 06:20 PM (5VlCp)
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I had very good luck in purchasing a very slightly used Lewis Machine Tool (LMT) AR in 5.56 through the gunbroker.com website.
Caliber, bbl length, sights, scopes, accessories.... we can spend days discussing this stuff.
I needed a certain caliber, to carry in my vehicle while on duty. A slightly used Aimpoint dot scope, given to me by another officer and a bunch of 20 round mags complete the kit.
Caliber, bbl length, sights, scopes, accessories.... we can spend days discussing this stuff.
I needed a certain caliber, to carry in my vehicle while on duty. A slightly used Aimpoint dot scope, given to me by another officer and a bunch of 20 round mags complete the kit.
Posted by: The Donald at May 21, 2017 06:21 PM (4BlPY)
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For a black gun starter, I highly recommend a Rock River AR. They are a bit more money, but you get a great package for the price. And they are made in my home state of the Peoples Republic of Illinois, so you get to support a good manufacturer in a hostile state. Always a plus. I own an older tactical LAR and it has been flawless.
Posted by: MallardDuckLintBrush at May 21, 2017 06:21 PM (j80G/)
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42 Heh, #8 Plaxico Burressed.
Plaxico is very concerned with gun safety.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpgL5kuBpMA
Posted by: tu3031 at May 21, 2017 06:18 PM (qJhUV)
--That was also good.
Reminds me of the Sopranos episode where one of the idiots hijacking a truck drops his gun and it shoots the trucker dead.
Plaxico is very concerned with gun safety.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpgL5kuBpMA
Posted by: tu3031 at May 21, 2017 06:18 PM (qJhUV)
--That was also good.
Reminds me of the Sopranos episode where one of the idiots hijacking a truck drops his gun and it shoots the trucker dead.
Posted by: logprof at May 21, 2017 06:22 PM (GsAUU)
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CDNN Sports has a DPMS AR for $399 net of rebate, and a Bushmaster AR for $499 net of rebate. Those are handgun prices. I have a Bushmaster that I paid a LOT more for several years ago.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 06:22 PM (0mRoj)
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Concur on the Savage, in today's market.
For the beginner, casual shooter, it's all that's needed, and plenty to do the job.
If you're going to get serious about Three Gun Nation or actually going overseas to *use* the thing, well, buy a premium brand. Plenty of those to choose from, too.
Optics are a matter of intended purpose. Any given optic should be nestled into a high-quality, quick-detach mounting system. Most such will return very nearly to "zero", every time. You can then change out your optics, from CQB illuminated dots at zero magnification, all the way up to the upper, upper end Zeiss, Nightforce or U.S. Optics kind of brands, at 6x24 power and +++ $5,000 price tags.
Caliber? For the beginner, stick with the 5.56 NATO. Reason: affordable(ish) ammo. Later, you can get a custom barrel cut with a .223 Wylde chamber, which shoots all of the .223/5.56 variations with aplomb.
Were I to venture out into the larger caliber weeds, it'd be the 6.5 Creedmore in the AR-15 size platform, or the .260 Remington in the larger AR-10 format.
After you've settled in with the rifle, spend the bucks on a drop-in Chip McCormick modular trigger assembly. It'll make the biggest improvement to your shooting, all in all.
And the MOST important bit of all?
Sign up for a full Appleseed weekend. Use the iron sights, leave the scope at home.
Learn to shoot, and to shoot WELL. Only then, will you bring the requisite skills to bear, in order to actually gain advantage from whatever equipment in which you might invest.
Aim small!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
For the beginner, casual shooter, it's all that's needed, and plenty to do the job.
If you're going to get serious about Three Gun Nation or actually going overseas to *use* the thing, well, buy a premium brand. Plenty of those to choose from, too.
Optics are a matter of intended purpose. Any given optic should be nestled into a high-quality, quick-detach mounting system. Most such will return very nearly to "zero", every time. You can then change out your optics, from CQB illuminated dots at zero magnification, all the way up to the upper, upper end Zeiss, Nightforce or U.S. Optics kind of brands, at 6x24 power and +++ $5,000 price tags.
Caliber? For the beginner, stick with the 5.56 NATO. Reason: affordable(ish) ammo. Later, you can get a custom barrel cut with a .223 Wylde chamber, which shoots all of the .223/5.56 variations with aplomb.
Were I to venture out into the larger caliber weeds, it'd be the 6.5 Creedmore in the AR-15 size platform, or the .260 Remington in the larger AR-10 format.
After you've settled in with the rifle, spend the bucks on a drop-in Chip McCormick modular trigger assembly. It'll make the biggest improvement to your shooting, all in all.
And the MOST important bit of all?
Sign up for a full Appleseed weekend. Use the iron sights, leave the scope at home.
Learn to shoot, and to shoot WELL. Only then, will you bring the requisite skills to bear, in order to actually gain advantage from whatever equipment in which you might invest.
Aim small!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at May 21, 2017 06:23 PM (v5iqM)
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Skip the scope, for now. Learn the iron sights inside and out, then go for a scope.
Personally, I like old-school, a Colt in A1 or A2 pattern.
The six-position adjustable stock, however, is very useful for adapting the same rifle to various household members, spouse, kids, whomever.
If you plan on strictly iron sights, the old-school layout with a so-called "carry handle" is great. if you plan to be a scope/dot user, flat-top is the way to go.
Barrel should be GI pattern or heavier, for stability and tolerance of heat. Twist rate depends on what you plan to shoot through it. Slow twist for short&light bullets (old-type GI ball and varmit rounds) , fast for heavy/long (newer GI green-tip and match ammo). 1:8 - 1:9 can handle about anything decently. 1:7 is strictly for the heavy stuff. Get one chambered for 5.56 and you can use .223. The other way around is ill advised. There is a special hybrid chamber that is best for both, but 5.56 is good to go for most.
Don't put crap ammo in it. Avoid the cheap steel-cased stuff. Avoid aything varnished ( like the real-cheap steel stuff) the varnish will -melt- in the chamber when hot, and the fired case, or live round can get stuck. Privi Partisan green-tip is surprisingly good out of a 1:7 match barrel. Heavy/long match ammo can be surprisingly good in 1:7. The 55gr GI ball in 1:7 can make you cry outside 300m.
Personally, I like old-school, a Colt in A1 or A2 pattern.
The six-position adjustable stock, however, is very useful for adapting the same rifle to various household members, spouse, kids, whomever.
If you plan on strictly iron sights, the old-school layout with a so-called "carry handle" is great. if you plan to be a scope/dot user, flat-top is the way to go.
Barrel should be GI pattern or heavier, for stability and tolerance of heat. Twist rate depends on what you plan to shoot through it. Slow twist for short&light bullets (old-type GI ball and varmit rounds) , fast for heavy/long (newer GI green-tip and match ammo). 1:8 - 1:9 can handle about anything decently. 1:7 is strictly for the heavy stuff. Get one chambered for 5.56 and you can use .223. The other way around is ill advised. There is a special hybrid chamber that is best for both, but 5.56 is good to go for most.
Don't put crap ammo in it. Avoid the cheap steel-cased stuff. Avoid aything varnished ( like the real-cheap steel stuff) the varnish will -melt- in the chamber when hot, and the fired case, or live round can get stuck. Privi Partisan green-tip is surprisingly good out of a 1:7 match barrel. Heavy/long match ammo can be surprisingly good in 1:7. The 55gr GI ball in 1:7 can make you cry outside 300m.
Posted by: 11B-Mailclerk at May 21, 2017 06:23 PM (iCClr)
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People are stupid.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2017 06:20 PM (Ri/rl) fnord (Ri/rl)
And people who are stupid with guns are not uncommonly dead, or crippled, or their lives are destroyed because they killed or crippled someone else.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2017 06:20 PM (Ri/rl) fnord (Ri/rl)
And people who are stupid with guns are not uncommonly dead, or crippled, or their lives are destroyed because they killed or crippled someone else.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 06:23 PM (wB8Tg)
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For a black gun starter, I highly recommend a Rock River AR
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I have one and like it *a lot*.
That said, if Ruger were making them when I was shopping for my Rock River, I'd probably only have a Ruger.
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I have one and like it *a lot*.
That said, if Ruger were making them when I was shopping for my Rock River, I'd probably only have a Ruger.
Posted by: Chigger Fleas at May 21, 2017 06:24 PM (fD1ST)
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Um, guns frighten me. Like if I sneaked up behind you to rape you, you could like shoot me or something. Guns are homophobic.
Posted by: Barry Manilow at May 21, 2017 06:25 PM (vRcUp)
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Keep in mind the difference in ammo between .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO. Earlier AR15s were chambered for the .223, newer ones for 5.56. You can shoot either in a rifle chambered for 5.56, but should never shoot 5.56 rounds in a .223 rifle.
Posted by: Brutus at May 21, 2017 06:28 PM (WTUXH)
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Lots of good info to digest here.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 21, 2017 06:29 PM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: Puddleglum at May 21, 2017 06:29 PM (+y0MR)
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Yup....you will have to train on it a bit to get used to it.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 06:20 PM (5VlCp) fnord (5VlCp)
I think the bigger problem is that I would have to untrain everything I've trained. And then if I go back to a normal trigger...
Basically I foresee a large number of ADs and NDs asociated with this (kind of like with the less-common release-triggers in old hunting guns).
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 06:20 PM (5VlCp) fnord (5VlCp)
I think the bigger problem is that I would have to untrain everything I've trained. And then if I go back to a normal trigger...
Basically I foresee a large number of ADs and NDs asociated with this (kind of like with the less-common release-triggers in old hunting guns).
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 06:29 PM (wB8Tg)
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Agree with 5.56. Also agree on make sure it's chambered for 5.56 instead of .223. Prolly never have an issue but why invite trouble.
Also-
Sig>Glock
Also-
Sig>Glock
Posted by: weirdflunky at May 21, 2017 06:30 PM (cLrRe)
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Glock>Sig
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 21, 2017 06:31 PM (IDPbH)
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I seen to be odd in never wanting a AR, and if could afford to would get something else.
Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2017 06:31 PM (Ot7+c)
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DS Arms is also worth a look.
Making the FAL in many configurations and not to pricey. Right arm of the free world back in the day.
AR's too. Nice website to get information from and AIM Surplus carries their FAL's at reduced prices when they have them in stock.
Making the FAL in many configurations and not to pricey. Right arm of the free world back in the day.
AR's too. Nice website to get information from and AIM Surplus carries their FAL's at reduced prices when they have them in stock.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 06:32 PM (5VlCp)
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What is kind of interesting to me is when you are looking at guns the price range for 5.56/.223 seems to be 350-500 or so (outliers.) However, as soon as you go to .308 the price jumps by about 4 times to 1000-1400.
Are the components really that much more expensive to manufacture or is it a glut of those parts that is driving the prices of the .556 chambered weapons?
Are the components really that much more expensive to manufacture or is it a glut of those parts that is driving the prices of the .556 chambered weapons?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 06:32 PM (ycWCI)
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Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!
Posted by: Sheriff Joe Biden at May 21, 2017 06:32 PM (0mRoj)
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Glock>Sig
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 21, 2017 06:31 PM (IDPbH)
Clearly you have no business commenting when you're obviously wasted on some substance. Please don't operate any heavy equipment until you sober up. Thanks.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 21, 2017 06:31 PM (IDPbH)
Clearly you have no business commenting when you're obviously wasted on some substance. Please don't operate any heavy equipment until you sober up. Thanks.
Posted by: weirdflunky at May 21, 2017 06:33 PM (cLrRe)
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I bought a palmetto State armory ar 3 years ago. Got the rifle, 6 magazines, a case, and 1000 rounds of ammo for $1000.
It's a better rifle than I carried on either of my tours. With my old eyes, I like straight optics without batteries, not over powered. I have a Bushnell 1x4 ar scope. It's heavier than the pricier Scopes and probably not as bright but... This princess can't feel the pea.
It's a better rifle than I carried on either of my tours. With my old eyes, I like straight optics without batteries, not over powered. I have a Bushnell 1x4 ar scope. It's heavier than the pricier Scopes and probably not as bright but... This princess can't feel the pea.
Posted by: Sgmstv at May 21, 2017 06:33 PM (5lyEs)
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Which scary black rifle?
If you owned a lot of guns then ... why not build your own? You'd probably enjoy the process of selecting between all the different lowers, uppers, barrels and so forth.
Which scary black rifle?
If you owned a lot of guns then ... why not build your own? You'd probably enjoy the process of selecting between all the different lowers, uppers, barrels and so forth.
Posted by: ArthurK at May 21, 2017 06:33 PM (26u4P)
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Posted by: Torche le Burnier at May 21, 2017 06:19 PM (0Lmg
Look at what they make you give...
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Look at what they make you give...
https://tinyurl.com/jw8c63f
Posted by: Golfman at May 21, 2017 06:33 PM (48QDY)
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47 Unless it's for a specialized application, it's very hard to beat the .308 Winchester. If I had to grab one rifle it would probably be an M1A with iron sights.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 06:19 PM (Sfs6o)
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Agree Weasel. I wish I could afford the M1A1.
I'm shooting a Remington 780 and it's really just pure fun but still competitive when getting out beyond 500 meters.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 06:19 PM (Sfs6o)
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Agree Weasel. I wish I could afford the M1A1.
I'm shooting a Remington 780 and it's really just pure fun but still competitive when getting out beyond 500 meters.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 06:33 PM (FOThK)
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now, now. Just because you think Sigs are better than Glocks is no reason to be arrogant. After all, lots of manufacturers are better than Glocks.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 21, 2017 06:34 PM (mkDpn)
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I honestly don't know why people rag on Glocks so much. I like them just fine.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 06:35 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: weirdflunky at May 21, 2017 06:35 PM (cLrRe)
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You'd probably enjoy the process of selecting between all the different lowers, uppers, barrels and so forth.
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Two many decisions. Don't want to solve a puzzle. Want a rifle that is good out to about 500 meters or so. Package deal. Point and shoot. Inexpensive, not cheap.
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Two many decisions. Don't want to solve a puzzle. Want a rifle that is good out to about 500 meters or so. Package deal. Point and shoot. Inexpensive, not cheap.
Posted by: Torche le Burnier at May 21, 2017 06:35 PM (0LmgR)
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I see a lot of very light match triggers - like in the few ounce pull department. I have never been a fan and have all of my match guns set exactly the same at a pound and a half. No problem other a nice crisp trigger pull and don't have to worry about a bump tripping it.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 06:35 PM (Sfs6o)
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Ref the gun video.
Whenever I see a guy have a gun problem and then he looks down the barrel... what exactly is he expecting to see?
Whenever I see a guy have a gun problem and then he looks down the barrel... what exactly is he expecting to see?
Posted by: ArthurK at May 21, 2017 06:36 PM (26u4P)
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Spin stabilization is hard. Thus twist rates, which are hugely misunderstood.
Almost every time you're best off going with tables from projectile manufacturers. It's not actually length or weight or bearing surface (though I was taught all three in classes).
It's the distance between the center of pressure and the center of mass, and that is some graduate math shit AFAICT.
Carlucci and Jacobsen did a textbook (much money, much math, just called "Ballistics") and a dude named McCoy did a good one called Modern Exterior Ballistics.
But... tables. Tables that account for velocity, because *spin* stabilization.
Almost every time you're best off going with tables from projectile manufacturers. It's not actually length or weight or bearing surface (though I was taught all three in classes).
It's the distance between the center of pressure and the center of mass, and that is some graduate math shit AFAICT.
Carlucci and Jacobsen did a textbook (much money, much math, just called "Ballistics") and a dude named McCoy did a good one called Modern Exterior Ballistics.
But... tables. Tables that account for velocity, because *spin* stabilization.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 06:37 PM (wB8Tg)
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A good beginner rifle is the Barrett M107A1. It is ideal for home defense, target shooting, and varmint hunting.
Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at May 21, 2017 06:37 PM (5fSr7)
84
I don't really have a problem with Glocks. However, the fanboys for Glocks at the NRA show a couple of weeks ago were embarrassing to watch. Like teenagers at a Beiber concert.
Posted by: weirdflunky at May 21, 2017 06:38 PM (cLrRe)
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21 Guns are evil!!! Presdent Obama was right when he said that all people should turn in their guns and let the government protect us ....
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 21, 2017 06:10 PM (WmgTn)
*****
Ahhh Mary...Mary.
We can always depend on you to put the rattle in Brattleboro.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 21, 2017 06:10 PM (WmgTn)
*****
Ahhh Mary...Mary.
We can always depend on you to put the rattle in Brattleboro.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 06:39 PM (FOThK)
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Have both the Ruger and the S&W M&P. Like them both, and great prices nowadays. Agree on learning iron sights first, but red dots are God's apology for giving us old eyes.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at May 21, 2017 06:39 PM (IJX6l)
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Carlucci and Jacobsen did a textbook (much money, much math, just called "Ballistics") and a dude named McCoy did a good one called Modern Exterior Ballistics.
But... tables. Tables that account for velocity, because *spin* stabilization.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 06:37 PM (wB8Tg)
I'm a doctor, not a block of ballistics gelatin!
But... tables. Tables that account for velocity, because *spin* stabilization.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 06:37 PM (wB8Tg)
I'm a doctor, not a block of ballistics gelatin!
Posted by: Bones McCoy at May 21, 2017 06:39 PM (ycWCI)
Posted by: 1921 C DRUM at May 21, 2017 06:39 PM (h7sWp)
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Agree Weasel. I wish I could afford the M1A1.
I'm shooting a Remington 780 and it's really just pure fun but still competitive when getting out beyond 500 meters.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 06:33 PM (FOThK)
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Great point. I spent the last four days coaching a long range rifle team (and am enjoying a day on the couch in the A/C).
The very best rifle is the one you know how to use and get out and practice with!
I'm shooting a Remington 780 and it's really just pure fun but still competitive when getting out beyond 500 meters.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 06:33 PM (FOThK)
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Great point. I spent the last four days coaching a long range rifle team (and am enjoying a day on the couch in the A/C).
The very best rifle is the one you know how to use and get out and practice with!
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 06:39 PM (Sfs6o)
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What is kind of interesting to me is when you are looking at guns the price range for 5.56/.223 seems to be 350-500 or so (outliers.) However, as soon as you go to .308 the price jumps by about 4 times to 1000-1400.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 06:32 PM (ycWCI) fnord (ycWCI)
5.56 prices range from 350 to about 3000.
7.62 prices range from 1000 to about 3000.
More people make 5.56, less materials, tooling is cheaper and easier, and it's easier to sell them in volume - and people are willing to pay more for 7.62.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 06:32 PM (ycWCI) fnord (ycWCI)
5.56 prices range from 350 to about 3000.
7.62 prices range from 1000 to about 3000.
More people make 5.56, less materials, tooling is cheaper and easier, and it's easier to sell them in volume - and people are willing to pay more for 7.62.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 06:40 PM (wB8Tg)
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Build your own to get more intimate with it or go off the shelf for something reliable and then build one - redundancy ya know.
Slickguns.com shows some good deals (like Slickdeals for guns) or get something from the LGS
5.56 AR15 for ubiquitous support / ammo.
My 308 is a Bolt Remington 700
Slickguns.com shows some good deals (like Slickdeals for guns) or get something from the LGS
5.56 AR15 for ubiquitous support / ammo.
My 308 is a Bolt Remington 700
Posted by: Rotor Self-Winding Yankee at May 21, 2017 06:41 PM (KEl6Y)
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77 I honestly don't know why people rag on Glocks so much. I like them just fine.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 06:35 PM (0mRoj) fnord (0mRoj)
Like many topics, "religion" and nostalgia are more important than anything else to a lot of people.
And there's the whole ketchup vs. mustard thing - I'm not sure whether that's "food religion" or just the need to yell about teams.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 06:35 PM (0mRoj) fnord (0mRoj)
Like many topics, "religion" and nostalgia are more important than anything else to a lot of people.
And there's the whole ketchup vs. mustard thing - I'm not sure whether that's "food religion" or just the need to yell about teams.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 06:42 PM (wB8Tg)
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Yeah, .308 is a good battle round. Sighted in at 200, it's point blank aimable from 0 to 425 yards.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 21, 2017 06:43 PM (LTHVh)
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Whenever I see a guy have a gun problem and then he looks down the barrel... what exactly is he expecting to see?
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The Face of God.
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The Face of God.
Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at May 21, 2017 06:43 PM (5fSr7)
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First off what are you planning on doing with your AR? A bit of plinking now and then? Home Defense? Work? Hunting? Z-Day?
Secondly what is your budget? Now multiply by 2 or 3 that should account for any furniture you want to put on it. This will also determine what brand you can afford once you factor in total cost to rig out your gun. Don't try to buy it all at once unless you have money tree. Also be aware there are 3 primary attachment systems, picatinny, keymod, and mlok. Choose wisely.
Third, direct impingement or piston? Piston has a higher price point fyi.
Happy shopping and shooting
Secondly what is your budget? Now multiply by 2 or 3 that should account for any furniture you want to put on it. This will also determine what brand you can afford once you factor in total cost to rig out your gun. Don't try to buy it all at once unless you have money tree. Also be aware there are 3 primary attachment systems, picatinny, keymod, and mlok. Choose wisely.
Third, direct impingement or piston? Piston has a higher price point fyi.
Happy shopping and shooting
Posted by: Pilum57 at May 21, 2017 06:43 PM (nYhqZ)
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84 I don't really have a problem with Glocks. However, the fanboys for Glocks at the NRA show a couple of weeks ago were embarrassing to watch. Like teenagers at a Beiber concert.
Posted by: weirdflunky at May 21, 2017 06:38 PM (cLrRe)
Ah, so you're just tweaking the fanboys. Got it.
Posted by: weirdflunky at May 21, 2017 06:38 PM (cLrRe)
Ah, so you're just tweaking the fanboys. Got it.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 06:43 PM (0mRoj)
97
If people can own guns, what's to stop them from getting nuclear bombs?
Posted by: Barry Manilow at May 21, 2017 06:44 PM (vRcUp)
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Everyone will have favorites so take this with a pinch of salt or a spoonful of sugar. I am more old school so I only own 2 semi-auto firearms. 380 Colt Goverment model for concealed carry and an SKS I bought because Slick Willy wanted to ban imports. Turns out the SKS is a sturdy and more accurate than I imagines it would before I took to the rangs. From a prone position I can 3 to 4 inc groups at 100 yards depending on which cheap ammo I try.
I am a bolt, lever, and pump fan when it comes to higher powered centerfire rifle. Look at a lot of videos and reviews. I have an Enfield rechambered to 308 that nice open sight and a Mauser M48 in 8mm that is scoped. But my favorites are my 22LR Rossi 62 and my Winchester 1984 chambered in 357/38.
When it comes to higher powered handguns I am a 357/38 fan. You can't go wrong with 4 inch barrel S&W as a handy side arm in the brush. I also recommend taking a hard look at the Ruger GP 100 with 6 inch barrel. The GP 100 can take really hot loads with minimal recoil.
My 2 cents, and not worth more than that. Guns are like women, it comes down to preferences that are as varied as guns and women.
I am a bolt, lever, and pump fan when it comes to higher powered centerfire rifle. Look at a lot of videos and reviews. I have an Enfield rechambered to 308 that nice open sight and a Mauser M48 in 8mm that is scoped. But my favorites are my 22LR Rossi 62 and my Winchester 1984 chambered in 357/38.
When it comes to higher powered handguns I am a 357/38 fan. You can't go wrong with 4 inch barrel S&W as a handy side arm in the brush. I also recommend taking a hard look at the Ruger GP 100 with 6 inch barrel. The GP 100 can take really hot loads with minimal recoil.
My 2 cents, and not worth more than that. Guns are like women, it comes down to preferences that are as varied as guns and women.
Posted by: colfax mingo at May 21, 2017 06:44 PM (FLjWH)
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If you're going to build your own rifle, then you should do it correctly, using the latest technology: The Redneck Obliterator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH2xsQcIUYI
If you're going to build your own rifle, then you should do it correctly, using the latest technology: The Redneck Obliterator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH2xsQcIUYI
Posted by: Arbalest at May 21, 2017 06:45 PM (FlRtG)
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Ah, so you're just tweaking the fanboys. Got it.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 06:43 PM (0mRoj)
Well that and
Sig>Glock
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 06:43 PM (0mRoj)
Well that and
Sig>Glock
Posted by: weirdflunky at May 21, 2017 06:45 PM (cLrRe)
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69 What is kind of interesting to me is when you are looking at guns the price range for 5.56/.223 seems to be 350-500 or so (outliers.) However, as soon as you go to .308 the price jumps by about 4 times to 1000-1400.
Are the components really that much more expensive to manufacture or is it a glut of those parts that is driving the prices of the .556 chambered weapons?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 06:32 PM (ycWCI
I really don't care to own a .308
I have a .30-06
My future purchase will most likely be plinking and general shooting.
Are the components really that much more expensive to manufacture or is it a glut of those parts that is driving the prices of the .556 chambered weapons?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 06:32 PM (ycWCI
I really don't care to own a .308
I have a .30-06
My future purchase will most likely be plinking and general shooting.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 21, 2017 06:45 PM (ZTRlp)
102
A bit off topic. But just plain annoying.
Anyone who wants to see the glorious results of socialism need only go to SoCal and visit the car rental set up at Ontario airport...clearly the People's Airport.
Friggin' idiots.
And don't get me started about the terminal. Only one small news store, bar, and eating place open. The rest is closed.
Anyone who wants to see the glorious results of socialism need only go to SoCal and visit the car rental set up at Ontario airport...clearly the People's Airport.
Friggin' idiots.
And don't get me started about the terminal. Only one small news store, bar, and eating place open. The rest is closed.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 06:46 PM (FOThK)
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Picked up a KelTec KSG last week. It was on sale at Turners - and spent more money on a Kidd trigger and bull barrel for my 10/22 take-down.
Posted by: Eisenhorn at May 21, 2017 06:47 PM (J9FkY)
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Prices are all over the place and it's surprising how poorly matched most shooters are to their equipment. A well trained rifleman can do pretty amazing things with even an entry level rifle and optics if they learn what they are doing and practice what they have learned. the limiting factors are generally the shooter and inconsistent, mass produced ammunition.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 06:47 PM (Sfs6o)
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Get something from S&W. Not a big fan of pistol systems, like the Ruger.
S&WW, lifetime warranty, and cross -compatibility with 3rd party parts is good.
As for a scope, ACOG or any Aimpoint, cant go wrong.
Caliber, either .223/5.56 or much less likely .308/7.63x51.
For .223/5.56, the answer is easy, cheap ammo, cheap ammo means LOTS of trigger/range time. Lot of trigger/range time, familiarity and accuracy, all good thing is high stress situations.
S&WW, lifetime warranty, and cross -compatibility with 3rd party parts is good.
As for a scope, ACOG or any Aimpoint, cant go wrong.
Caliber, either .223/5.56 or much less likely .308/7.63x51.
For .223/5.56, the answer is easy, cheap ammo, cheap ammo means LOTS of trigger/range time. Lot of trigger/range time, familiarity and accuracy, all good thing is high stress situations.
Posted by: Jeff at May 21, 2017 06:47 PM (6+TsW)
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The only semi rifle I like is the Garand. The 'black' rifles never really caught my interest for some reason. I prefer my old military surplus bolt actions. History, iron sights, and versatility. Of course, I'm not in combat.
Weasel, Glad you use a sane approach to trigger pull but not surprised. A lot of muzzleloaders can adjust the trigger so it goes off if you give a stern look and I've seen a few accidental shots because of it. I want to be able to feel the trigger before it goes off.
Weasel, Glad you use a sane approach to trigger pull but not surprised. A lot of muzzleloaders can adjust the trigger so it goes off if you give a stern look and I've seen a few accidental shots because of it. I want to be able to feel the trigger before it goes off.
Posted by: JTB at May 21, 2017 06:48 PM (V+03K)
107
I really don't care to own a .308
I have a .30-06
My future purchase will most likely be plinking and general shooting.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 21, 2017 06:45 PM (ZTRlp)
I want a Garand. I saw one online at a local dealer in the $600 range. .30-06 from 1950's IIRC. Went back to check out the listing and it sold
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I have a .30-06
My future purchase will most likely be plinking and general shooting.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 21, 2017 06:45 PM (ZTRlp)
I want a Garand. I saw one online at a local dealer in the $600 range. .30-06 from 1950's IIRC. Went back to check out the listing and it sold
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Posted by: Bones McCoy at May 21, 2017 06:48 PM (ycWCI)
108
so, if you could only have one rifle, in an end of the world scenario and you had to use it for everything, what would it be?
my preference would be for an AR in 7.62.
my preference would be for an AR in 7.62.
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 21, 2017 06:48 PM (cPsPa)
109
If you're just plinking aim for 500 to 800 for the base weapon. If you can afford the squeeze aim for 1000. Remember buy once, cry once and do your due diligence research before laying down your money.
Posted by: Pilum57 at May 21, 2017 06:48 PM (nYhqZ)
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97 If people can own guns, what's to stop them from getting nuclear bombs?
Posted by: Barry Manilow at May 21, 2017 06:44 PM (vRcUp)
******
About $3 Billion in metallurgy. Plus another $ Billion or so in infrastructure, mining, refining, smelting, etc.
Posted by: Barry Manilow at May 21, 2017 06:44 PM (vRcUp)
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About $3 Billion in metallurgy. Plus another $ Billion or so in infrastructure, mining, refining, smelting, etc.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 06:49 PM (FOThK)
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S&W M&P-15 or The Ruger AR-556
Both companies have excellent warranties.
Both banned in MA by executive fiat by our tyrant AG under phony baloney 'consumer protection' regulations and a horseshit 'interpretation' of 20 years worth of settled law. But liberal loons making shit up and abusing administrative power to declare themselves little emperors is all the rage these days.
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Both companies have excellent warranties.
Both banned in MA by executive fiat by our tyrant AG under phony baloney 'consumer protection' regulations and a horseshit 'interpretation' of 20 years worth of settled law. But liberal loons making shit up and abusing administrative power to declare themselves little emperors is all the rage these days.
=(
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at May 21, 2017 06:51 PM (N5dam)
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Question: When I was a little gunslinger, my dad told me that for safety reasons, you shouldn't keep a round in the chamber to avoid accidental discharge since it takes no time to chamber a round and is safer. Opinions?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 21, 2017 06:51 PM (Nwg0u)
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110 97 If people can own guns, what's to stop them from getting nuclear bombs?
Posted by: Barry Manilow at May 21, 2017 06:44 PM (vRcUp)
******
About $3 Billion in metallurgy. Plus another $ Billion or so in infrastructure, mining, refining, smelting, etc.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 06:49 PM (FOThK)
So, you're saying it's possible?
Posted by: Barry Manilow at May 21, 2017 06:44 PM (vRcUp)
******
About $3 Billion in metallurgy. Plus another $ Billion or so in infrastructure, mining, refining, smelting, etc.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 06:49 PM (FOThK)
So, you're saying it's possible?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 06:51 PM (ycWCI)
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Weasel@6:47 has good advise - lots of practice and I would add that for every round you fire learn trigger sense with 20 dry fires.
Posted by: colfax mingo at May 21, 2017 06:52 PM (FLjWH)
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Building an AR15 here. More due to the fact that 20 inch barreled uppers seem to be immune to the price drop.
Posted by: Jackal at May 21, 2017 06:52 PM (NiR1r)
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112 Question: When I was a little gunslinger, my dad told me that for safety reasons, you shouldn't keep a round in the chamber to avoid accidental discharge since it takes no time to chamber a round and is safer. Opinions?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 21, 2017 06:51 PM (Nwg0u)
For a carry piece, absolutely not. That slide rack will take time you don't have. Plus you could short-stroke it or fumble the gun.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 21, 2017 06:51 PM (Nwg0u)
For a carry piece, absolutely not. That slide rack will take time you don't have. Plus you could short-stroke it or fumble the gun.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 06:54 PM (0mRoj)
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Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at May 21, 2017 06:39 PM (IJX6l)
No shit about the eyes. 48 years of glasses.
No shit about the eyes. 48 years of glasses.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 21, 2017 06:54 PM (ZTRlp)
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Lots of folks argue over the Glock vs. whatever debate. I long ago solved the problem. Use a Ruger or S and W revolver. :-)
Actually, I prefer revolvers, DA or SA, over semi-autos for recreation or serious outdoor protection, like bear territory. That last part hasn't been a factor so far, fortunately. They are much more versatile for the handloader.
Actually, I prefer revolvers, DA or SA, over semi-autos for recreation or serious outdoor protection, like bear territory. That last part hasn't been a factor so far, fortunately. They are much more versatile for the handloader.
Posted by: JTB at May 21, 2017 06:54 PM (V+03K)
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DPMS rifles are notorious for poor quality control and poor fit. So are Windham, Bushmaster, and several other discount brands. They can turn into ratchet ass dumpster guns very quickly.
Palmetto State Armory is right down the road from FN in South Carolina. They sell reasonable quality stuff, and also several degrees of crap at lower price points. You really have to know what you are buying.
The best makes of AR in reasonable circulation are Colt, FN, Archer, Hodge, BCM, LMT, and Sons of Liberty Gun Works.
SOLGW's East India Starter Kit is an excellent foundation to put together a solid base gun.
The biggest weakness of the AR is also its strength. The modularity where every part fits allows for massive amounts of low quality derp to be slapped together, and some Godawful shitastic guns to be made. Not every gun needs to be assembled to JSOC standards for a hard night in Afghanistan, but at the same time, civilization is under threat and you might have to bet your life and the life of your loved ones on how well it works and how well you can work it.
We have a brief window of low prices and a permissive legal climate under Trump. You can reequip, because the bad times will be coming back hard. Use this time wisely.
Palmetto State Armory is right down the road from FN in South Carolina. They sell reasonable quality stuff, and also several degrees of crap at lower price points. You really have to know what you are buying.
The best makes of AR in reasonable circulation are Colt, FN, Archer, Hodge, BCM, LMT, and Sons of Liberty Gun Works.
SOLGW's East India Starter Kit is an excellent foundation to put together a solid base gun.
The biggest weakness of the AR is also its strength. The modularity where every part fits allows for massive amounts of low quality derp to be slapped together, and some Godawful shitastic guns to be made. Not every gun needs to be assembled to JSOC standards for a hard night in Afghanistan, but at the same time, civilization is under threat and you might have to bet your life and the life of your loved ones on how well it works and how well you can work it.
We have a brief window of low prices and a permissive legal climate under Trump. You can reequip, because the bad times will be coming back hard. Use this time wisely.
Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at May 21, 2017 06:54 PM (zTvDU)
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no thought trigger pulls happen. steps are 1) drop mag, 2) clear round, 3) pull. leaving #1 off, you shoot something. hope your muzzle discipline is good so only thing hurt is your pride. car door and house. lesson is very clear now.
BTW Colt AR-15 A-4 is my most accurate. sub 1 MOA, (doesn't normally because I am the shooter)
BTW Colt AR-15 A-4 is my most accurate. sub 1 MOA, (doesn't normally because I am the shooter)
Posted by: arbitrary turn back at May 21, 2017 06:55 PM (8RQER)
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Posted by: JTB at May 21, 2017 06:48 PM (V+03K)
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Yep. I think the really light triggers actually encourage shooters to slap rather than to gently and steadily pull because any contact with the trigger will trip it. Generally not good form.
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Yep. I think the really light triggers actually encourage shooters to slap rather than to gently and steadily pull because any contact with the trigger will trip it. Generally not good form.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 06:55 PM (Sfs6o)
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I seen to be odd in never wanting a AR, and if could afford to would get something else.
I was a blue-steel-and-walnut .30-cal guy looking down my nose at the poodle-shooters until a certain politician (whose wife will never be president) told me that I shouldn't have one of those evil, baby-killing, aluminum-and-plastic things. Well, you can probably guess how that turned out. Which reminds me -- I need to go find the text of that bill and see which naughty bits I'm still missing. Collapsible stock? Check. Barrel shroud? Check. Flash hider, bayonet lug, front pistol grip? Check, check, check (although in honesty, the latter is just a place to store an extra battery). Thing that goes up? Yeah, that's what I still need. (On my rifle, pervs.)
I was a blue-steel-and-walnut .30-cal guy looking down my nose at the poodle-shooters until a certain politician (whose wife will never be president) told me that I shouldn't have one of those evil, baby-killing, aluminum-and-plastic things. Well, you can probably guess how that turned out. Which reminds me -- I need to go find the text of that bill and see which naughty bits I'm still missing. Collapsible stock? Check. Barrel shroud? Check. Flash hider, bayonet lug, front pistol grip? Check, check, check (although in honesty, the latter is just a place to store an extra battery). Thing that goes up? Yeah, that's what I still need. (On my rifle, pervs.)
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 21, 2017 06:56 PM (7oUUT)
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The grandkids were over this weekend and I was glad to see that my son-in-law had bought my four year old grandson a toy Bradley Fighting Vehicle and that grandson liked it.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 21, 2017 06:57 PM (Nwg0u)
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Went to the Army Heritage Center in Carlisle, PA yesterday. Got to see & handle a lot of guns, German & American, from WWII.
Posted by: josephistan at May 21, 2017 06:57 PM (ANIFC)
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I have multiple issues with the Glock, the first is they are ugly pistols. Second they don't feel right in my hand.
I also have questions about safety and reliability and the fact that the word was when they first came out that you had to send them back to a factory in Austria from time to time to keep them running right.
I am sure these issues are resolved now, but I like other stuff better.
I also have questions about safety and reliability and the fact that the word was when they first came out that you had to send them back to a factory in Austria from time to time to keep them running right.
I am sure these issues are resolved now, but I like other stuff better.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 21, 2017 06:57 PM (mkDpn)
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Did Remington ever fix their trigger problem with bolt action?
Posted by: Torche le Burnier at May 21, 2017 06:57 PM (0LmgR)
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Question: When I was a little gunslinger, my dad told me that for safety reasons, you shouldn't keep a round in the chamber to avoid accidental discharge since it takes no time to chamber a round and is safer. Opinions?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 21, 2017 06:51 PM (Nwg0u) fnord (Nwg0u)
In an 1888 Colt Peacemaker, sure.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 21, 2017 06:51 PM (Nwg0u) fnord (Nwg0u)
In an 1888 Colt Peacemaker, sure.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 06:57 PM (wB8Tg)
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nose, chin, and eye guard is a good idea for a female novice....especially if you like them
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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Hey. Wait a minute...I need to make a payment on the Porsche.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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Hey. Wait a minute...I need to make a payment on the Porsche.
Posted by: Maxillofacial Surgeon at May 21, 2017 06:59 PM (ZO497)
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That was quite a video. #7 and #5 were pretty awful to watch. Much closer to lethally dumb than #1, who was just a little dumb and very, very unlucky.
Diogenes @110: That was awesome.
Diogenes @110: That was awesome.
Posted by: JPS at May 21, 2017 07:00 PM (z3md0)
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Question: Do I need a canoe and a lake first before I get a gun? Sure seems to be a lot of knowledgeable gun owners who keep going canoeing with their guns.... and they don't do well with said canoe.
Posted by: Vanceone at May 21, 2017 07:00 PM (HcgJZ)
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I just sent a Model of 1917 to the custom shop at CMP for a new barrel (still has the original) and some bolt and receiver truing work. Looking forward to getting it back and working up a load for it!
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 07:01 PM (Sfs6o)
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113 110 97 If people can own guns, what's to stop them from getting nuclear bombs?
Posted by: Barry Manilow at May 21, 2017 06:44 PM (vRcUp)
******
About $3 Billion in metallurgy. Plus another $ Billion or so in infrastructure, mining, refining, smelting, etc.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 06:49 PM (FOThK)
So, you're saying it's possible?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 06:51 PM (ycWCI)
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Sure, just look at the number of nation-states that have done so.
The difficulty for a non-state player is secrecy. You just can't hide what you're up to. And then the big boys swoop in.
Posted by: Barry Manilow at May 21, 2017 06:44 PM (vRcUp)
******
About $3 Billion in metallurgy. Plus another $ Billion or so in infrastructure, mining, refining, smelting, etc.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 06:49 PM (FOThK)
So, you're saying it's possible?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 06:51 PM (ycWCI)
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Sure, just look at the number of nation-states that have done so.
The difficulty for a non-state player is secrecy. You just can't hide what you're up to. And then the big boys swoop in.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:01 PM (FOThK)
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Got an -- well, had before the floods and all -- an Anderson AR15, 1:8 groove, 5.56. Quite like it.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 21, 2017 07:01 PM (3hIZX)
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nose, chin, and eye guard is a good idea for a female novice....especially if you like them
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Are we still doing "Phrasing!"
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Are we still doing "Phrasing!"
Posted by: josephistan at May 21, 2017 07:02 PM (ANIFC)
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Primary Weapons Systems makes a piston-driven AR in 5.56 or .308. I like the .308. SIG also makes a great piston-driven AR in 5.56 or .308, too. I like piston-driven over direct impingement. By the way, I like both systems enough to own them.
Posted by: Eromero at May 21, 2017 07:02 PM (zLDYs)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2017 07:02 PM (ZO497)
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Do I need a canoe and a lake first before I get a gun?
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If you get a gun, don't tell anyone. If you say, "I have a gun," they will try and take it away from you.
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If you get a gun, don't tell anyone. If you say, "I have a gun," they will try and take it away from you.
Posted by: Torche le Burnier at May 21, 2017 07:02 PM (0LmgR)
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130 Question: Do I need a canoe and a lake first before I get a gun? Sure seems to be a lot of knowledgeable gun owners who keep going canoeing with their guns.... and they don't do well with said canoe.
Posted by: Vanceone at May 21, 2017 07:00 PM (HcgJZ)
*****
Just don't let Ace instal the gun shelf in your canoe.
Posted by: Vanceone at May 21, 2017 07:00 PM (HcgJZ)
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Just don't let Ace instal the gun shelf in your canoe.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:02 PM (FOThK)
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make sure you pick a deep lake to tip your canoe and lose all your papered guns. Mine 100ft plus. No way to get them back.
Posted by: arbitrary turn back at May 21, 2017 07:03 PM (8RQER)
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I also have questions about safety and reliability and the fact that the word was when they first came out that you had to send them back to a factory in Austria from time to time to keep them running right.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 21, 2017 06:57 PM (mkDpn) fnord (mkDpn)
WAT.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 21, 2017 06:57 PM (mkDpn) fnord (mkDpn)
WAT.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 07:03 PM (wB8Tg)
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Question: Do I need a canoe and a lake first before I get a gun?
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Canoe, Old Spice - whatever works best for you.
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Canoe, Old Spice - whatever works best for you.
Posted by: josephistan at May 21, 2017 07:03 PM (ANIFC)
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Do we have any idea when there will be another Moron postal match?
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 21, 2017 07:05 PM (3hIZX)
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CMP has some of their special grade Garands in stock, the $830 ones. The less expensive ones are completely sold out for now.
Posted by: JTB at May 21, 2017 07:06 PM (V+03K)
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138 130 Question: Do I need a canoe and a lake first before I get a gun? Sure seems to be a lot of knowledgeable gun owners who keep going canoeing with their guns.... and they don't do well with said canoe.
Posted by: Vanceone at May 21, 2017 07:00 PM (HcgJZ)
*****
Just don't let Ace instal the gun shelf in your canoe.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:02 PM (FOThK
And there went the mouthful of coffee. Thank you. Please pass the the paper towel.
Posted by: Vanceone at May 21, 2017 07:00 PM (HcgJZ)
*****
Just don't let Ace instal the gun shelf in your canoe.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:02 PM (FOThK
And there went the mouthful of coffee. Thank you. Please pass the the paper towel.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 21, 2017 07:06 PM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: frank skog at May 21, 2017 07:07 PM (aE3X1)
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Merovign, HAD questions about reliability if you prefer. I am willing to admit they are wonderful now.
I like Astras better (and there was a manufacturer with odd reliability issues) and would have traded a Glock for a Ruger.
I like Astras better (and there was a manufacturer with odd reliability issues) and would have traded a Glock for a Ruger.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 21, 2017 07:08 PM (mkDpn)
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Yeah, so the wife wants me to get some weapons. Problem is, it seems like a good starting budget for a decent gun is up in the 800-1000 range before you can be comfortable. And a grand just doesn't grow on trees.
What's the best way to go--maybe get a cheap BB or 22 first? Ammo for those isn't too bad, right?
Most all Ive shot has been some clay pigeons with someone else's shotgun. I hit them more than I miss, which is good, but still: I'm not comfortable with my skills yet. And what about a good gun safe to keep things away from the kids? Those seem to cost more than the guns.
What's the best way to go--maybe get a cheap BB or 22 first? Ammo for those isn't too bad, right?
Most all Ive shot has been some clay pigeons with someone else's shotgun. I hit them more than I miss, which is good, but still: I'm not comfortable with my skills yet. And what about a good gun safe to keep things away from the kids? Those seem to cost more than the guns.
Posted by: Vanceone at May 21, 2017 07:08 PM (HcgJZ)
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Bear with me. Legalities follow. Whatever you do, buy a gun from a reputable manufacturer with a lower marked "Multi". This refers to the caliber the rifle is chambered in. For instance, if you buy one marked "5.56mm", then that is what you are stuck with, the standard round. I have a rifle marked multi and can replace the upper with whatever i want LEGALLY. Saving for a .458 SOCOM (google or youtube it) and it uses standard magazines, just holds less. Only the lower receiver is registered and an upper receiver can be mailed to your house direct from the merchant without paperwork unless you're in a commie state. Next save for a Geiselle (pro. "Guys-Lee") trigger and a quality optic and IMO thats the only upgrades you need even with all the nonsense bells and whistles options out there. Oh BTW, as far as upper receiver options are concerned look for an "A2 gas block" on a "flat top receiver" and add a "BUIS" or back up iron site to your quality optic. Long time lurker. Knew i was put here for a reason.
Posted by: Str8UpG at May 21, 2017 07:08 PM (VHL+m)
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MH,
Sorry about that. I'm thinking the Ace-man will never live that down.
Sorry about that. I'm thinking the Ace-man will never live that down.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:08 PM (FOThK)
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Question: When I was a little gunslinger, my dad told me that for safety reasons, you shouldn't keep a round in the chamber to avoid accidental discharge since it takes no time to chamber a round and is safer. Opinions?
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I'm certainly not going to disagree with your dad. Unless you are in the circumstance of a hunter, who expects suddenly flushed game, in which case there might might not be time to chamber a round.
Things have changed though, and I would venture a guess that most firearms sold these days are auto-loaders, and discretely chambering is tedious.
The first rule should be Safety ON, unless you are on target and about to pull the trigger.
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I'm certainly not going to disagree with your dad. Unless you are in the circumstance of a hunter, who expects suddenly flushed game, in which case there might might not be time to chamber a round.
Things have changed though, and I would venture a guess that most firearms sold these days are auto-loaders, and discretely chambering is tedious.
The first rule should be Safety ON, unless you are on target and about to pull the trigger.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2017 07:08 PM (ZO497)
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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 21, 2017 06:51 PM (Nwg0u)
If you think you're gonna need to use the weapon, it should be loaded and you should have enough skill, discipline and sense to handle the weapon accordingly.
If you think you're gonna need to use the weapon, it should be loaded and you should have enough skill, discipline and sense to handle the weapon accordingly.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 21, 2017 07:09 PM (n5625)
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Anonosaurus Wrecks,
I think it depends on the threat, on how many seconds you may have to react. I can understand your dad's advice, even if there are situations where, once you're a trained and bigger gunslinger, I'd modify it.
For a time, I was repeatedly in a situation where we were armed among armed "friends" but couldn't be absolutely sure they were friendly. Some of their countrymen had been known to turn suddenly very unfriendly.
The first day, we realized we'd had no guidance on this issue. We talked it over and, being a small group of well trained grownups, of course we chambered rounds.
Later on, the guidance came in: Full mags but no rounds in the chamber. We're more worried about negligent discharge than about you guys suddenly having to shoot.
[To our WTF moment, a grizzled retired Marine told us, Look, if he just up and decides to shoot you, he's going to get one whether you're in Condition Red or Yellow.]
I'm, uh, having a hard time recalling whether we followed the letter of that guidance, or just the spirit - i.e., let's make damn sure no one NDs.
I think it depends on the threat, on how many seconds you may have to react. I can understand your dad's advice, even if there are situations where, once you're a trained and bigger gunslinger, I'd modify it.
For a time, I was repeatedly in a situation where we were armed among armed "friends" but couldn't be absolutely sure they were friendly. Some of their countrymen had been known to turn suddenly very unfriendly.
The first day, we realized we'd had no guidance on this issue. We talked it over and, being a small group of well trained grownups, of course we chambered rounds.
Later on, the guidance came in: Full mags but no rounds in the chamber. We're more worried about negligent discharge than about you guys suddenly having to shoot.
[To our WTF moment, a grizzled retired Marine told us, Look, if he just up and decides to shoot you, he's going to get one whether you're in Condition Red or Yellow.]
I'm, uh, having a hard time recalling whether we followed the letter of that guidance, or just the spirit - i.e., let's make damn sure no one NDs.
Posted by: JPS at May 21, 2017 07:10 PM (z3md0)
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149 MH,
Sorry about that. I'm thinking the Ace-man will never live that down.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:08 PM (FOThK)
Apology not needed but accepted.
It was a great laugh. Thank you.
Sorry about that. I'm thinking the Ace-man will never live that down.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:08 PM (FOThK)
Apology not needed but accepted.
It was a great laugh. Thank you.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 21, 2017 07:14 PM (ZTRlp)
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Previously I had taken an ill fated canoe trip on the Mighty
Mississippi. My entire collection of bolt actions and lever action
rifles, pumps and single shot shotguns and handguns both revolvers and
semi-autos were swallowed up. I'm thinking about starting a new
collection.
******
Is that what you told the insurance company? I'm gonna try that!
Mississippi. My entire collection of bolt actions and lever action
rifles, pumps and single shot shotguns and handguns both revolvers and
semi-autos were swallowed up. I'm thinking about starting a new
collection.
******
Is that what you told the insurance company? I'm gonna try that!
Posted by: Lemmiwinks and his flaming boner of winning at May 21, 2017 07:14 PM (18h+i)
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Did Remington ever fix their trigger problem with bolt action?
Posted by: Torche le Burnier
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Also, I haven't read any reviews sine the R51 was recalled/re-released.
Also of interest, the new Remington RP9
A commenter here mentioned that, with rebate, it is being sold for $289, which sounds like a very decent price. Haven't read reviews.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/khgj43g
Posted by: Torche le Burnier
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Also, I haven't read any reviews sine the R51 was recalled/re-released.
Also of interest, the new Remington RP9
A commenter here mentioned that, with rebate, it is being sold for $289, which sounds like a very decent price. Haven't read reviews.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/khgj43g
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2017 07:16 PM (ZO497)
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The best canoe is the one that you have on your trailer right now.
Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at May 21, 2017 07:16 PM (Tyii7)
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Vanceone,
Start with a 22LR rifle. Investigate and then go to stores to handle various rifles. You don't need a gun safe. Teach yourself and any kids gun safety. Keep the gun out of sight and ammo some place secure until you can be confident your kids have been indoctrinated in gun safety.
And forget about a BB gun. Instead think about a Beeman 22 caliber pellet gun.... accurate and will take down squirrels and rabbits.
Start with a 22LR rifle. Investigate and then go to stores to handle various rifles. You don't need a gun safe. Teach yourself and any kids gun safety. Keep the gun out of sight and ammo some place secure until you can be confident your kids have been indoctrinated in gun safety.
And forget about a BB gun. Instead think about a Beeman 22 caliber pellet gun.... accurate and will take down squirrels and rabbits.
Posted by: colfax mingo at May 21, 2017 07:17 PM (FLjWH)
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154 Previously I had taken an ill fated canoe trip on the Mighty
Mississippi. My entire collection of bolt actions and lever action
rifles, pumps and single shot shotguns and handguns both revolvers and
semi-autos were swallowed up. I'm thinking about starting a new
collection.
******
Is that what you told the insurance company? I'm gonna try that!
Posted by: Lemmiwinks and his flaming boner of winning at May 21, 2017 07:14 PM (18h+i)
*****
More like what he told the ATF when he filed the missing weapons report.
Mississippi. My entire collection of bolt actions and lever action
rifles, pumps and single shot shotguns and handguns both revolvers and
semi-autos were swallowed up. I'm thinking about starting a new
collection.
******
Is that what you told the insurance company? I'm gonna try that!
Posted by: Lemmiwinks and his flaming boner of winning at May 21, 2017 07:14 PM (18h+i)
*****
More like what he told the ATF when he filed the missing weapons report.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:17 PM (FOThK)
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First time scary rifle?
Scogg mentioned the DPMS is very, very inexpensive. Not a bad choice, pair it up with a holosun sight.
Out of the box ready? Go with the M&P 15 Sport. Also inexpensive.
Scogg mentioned the DPMS is very, very inexpensive. Not a bad choice, pair it up with a holosun sight.
Out of the box ready? Go with the M&P 15 Sport. Also inexpensive.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 21, 2017 07:17 PM (uLR9H)
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133 Got an -- well, had before the floods and all -- an Anderson AR15, 1:8 groove, 5.56. Quite like it.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 21, 2017 07:01 PM (3hIZX)
Tensing, sir. You 'liked' it.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 21, 2017 07:01 PM (3hIZX)
Tensing, sir. You 'liked' it.
Posted by: AOSHQ Majordomo at May 21, 2017 07:19 PM (ycWCI)
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Went to the Army Heritage Center in Carlisle, PA yesterday. Got to see & handle a lot of guns, German & American, from WWII.
Posted by: josephistan
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Heh. I kind of suspect that as many or more sporting arms have been built on Model 98 Mauser actions than anything else.
Posted by: josephistan
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Heh. I kind of suspect that as many or more sporting arms have been built on Model 98 Mauser actions than anything else.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2017 07:19 PM (ZO497)
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Out of the box ready? Go with the M&P 15 Sport. Also inexpensive.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 21, 2017 07:17 PM (uLR9H)
Canoe ready?
Out of the box ready? Go with the M&P 15 Sport. Also inexpensive.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 21, 2017 07:17 PM (uLR9H)
Canoe ready?
Posted by: AOSHQ Majordomo at May 21, 2017 07:19 PM (ycWCI)
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To chamber or not to chamber.
Depends on circumstances and why you are carrying, and where. In other words, situational awareness.
Hunting: no need to chamber a round until you are out in the field. Safety stays on until ready to shoot, and pushing the safety off becomes a habit. The safety is always convenient to thumb or trigger finger and it is conveniently placed for exactly that reason. Pushing the safety back on, also becomes a habit, and still you check yourself.
Depends on circumstances and why you are carrying, and where. In other words, situational awareness.
Hunting: no need to chamber a round until you are out in the field. Safety stays on until ready to shoot, and pushing the safety off becomes a habit. The safety is always convenient to thumb or trigger finger and it is conveniently placed for exactly that reason. Pushing the safety back on, also becomes a habit, and still you check yourself.
Posted by: Torche le Burnier at May 21, 2017 07:20 PM (0LmgR)
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Caliber? Start with .223 for most uses except hunting.
For hunting, maybe go with an AR 10 in .308.
Iron sights are fine on an AR but a cheap red dot like Holosun makes things tremendously easier once sighted in.
For hunting, maybe go with an AR 10 in .308.
Iron sights are fine on an AR but a cheap red dot like Holosun makes things tremendously easier once sighted in.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 21, 2017 07:20 PM (uLR9H)
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@AOSHQ Majordomo
Well...they don't float And if you need to replace one, you're not out a ton of cash.
Well...they don't float
And if you need to replace one, you're not out a ton of cash.Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 21, 2017 07:22 PM (uLR9H)
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GUN THREAD!!!
"The Ruger AR-556 looks like a nice rifle. So does the Colt AR15A4. Any other suggestions out there?"
Build your own; they are like LEGOs. In addition, in the burning times, you can be your own gunsmith and assemble from dropped parts and pieces.
"The Ruger AR-556 looks like a nice rifle. So does the Colt AR15A4. Any other suggestions out there?"
Build your own; they are like LEGOs. In addition, in the burning times, you can be your own gunsmith and assemble from dropped parts and pieces.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at May 21, 2017 07:23 PM (tbOMB)
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Merovign, HAD questions about reliability if you prefer. I am willing to admit they are wonderful now.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 21, 2017 07:08 PM (mkDpn) fnord (mkDpn)
Pretty much the out-of-the gate reputation was for extreme reliability. This is the first time I've heard claims of some awful early reliability problem.
I do know that in the early 90s (Gen 2), you couldn't *find* Gen 1 (late 80s) guns because *no one* was willing to get rid of them.
A lot of the guns went back for "New York Triggers," I wonder if people are mistaking the modification for a repair?
Posted by: Kindltot at May 21, 2017 07:08 PM (mkDpn) fnord (mkDpn)
Pretty much the out-of-the gate reputation was for extreme reliability. This is the first time I've heard claims of some awful early reliability problem.
I do know that in the early 90s (Gen 2), you couldn't *find* Gen 1 (late 80s) guns because *no one* was willing to get rid of them.
A lot of the guns went back for "New York Triggers," I wonder if people are mistaking the modification for a repair?
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 07:24 PM (wB8Tg)
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My canoe with a pair of Ma Deuces mounted fore and aft was always quite the conversation piece, before it sank.
Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at May 21, 2017 07:25 PM (Tyii7)
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Has anyone seen witchdoktor around? Getting concerned about him.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 07:25 PM (yTnCT)
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.223 should be first purchase. Other calibers are nice after you expand the collection.
Almost any of the basic AR's in the $450 to $750 range are good to start. Get a flat top so you can add sights. Get adjustable stock.
Stock up on magazines. Get a couple 10 and 20 rounders as well as standard capacity 30 rnd magazines.
Get a 1-4x variable scope. At 1x it is like a red dot and at 4x it is great for 200yds. You can get an illuminated version for under $300, maybe around $200 on sale.
Almost any of the basic AR's in the $450 to $750 range are good to start. Get a flat top so you can add sights. Get adjustable stock.
Stock up on magazines. Get a couple 10 and 20 rounders as well as standard capacity 30 rnd magazines.
Get a 1-4x variable scope. At 1x it is like a red dot and at 4x it is great for 200yds. You can get an illuminated version for under $300, maybe around $200 on sale.
Posted by: JJ at May 21, 2017 07:25 PM (8yTd0)
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Question: When I was a little gunslinger, my dad told me that for safety reasons, you shouldn't keep a round in the chamber to avoid accidental discharge since it takes no time to chamber a round and is safer. Opinions?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 21, 2017 06:51 PM (Nwg0u)
Depends on the application but if you are carrying a firearm for self-defense it should have a round in the chamber. Just keep you booger-picker off the boom-switch until the muzzle is pointing down range and you should be OK.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 21, 2017 06:51 PM (Nwg0u)
Depends on the application but if you are carrying a firearm for self-defense it should have a round in the chamber. Just keep you booger-picker off the boom-switch until the muzzle is pointing down range and you should be OK.
Posted by: Retired Buckey Cop is now an engineer at May 21, 2017 07:25 PM (5Yee7)
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My canoe with a pair of Ma Deuces mounted fore and aft was always quite the conversation piece, before it sank.
Posted by: That deplorable guy
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Those were for propulsion?
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Those were for propulsion?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2017 07:26 PM (ZO497)
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I also want to give a shout out to the Kel Tec SU 16C.
Prices are good, gun is a very reliable piston design and it is very light weight. Takes AR mags.
Prices are good, gun is a very reliable piston design and it is very light weight. Takes AR mags.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 21, 2017 07:29 PM (uLR9H)
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172 My canoe with a pair of Ma Deuces mounted fore and aft was always quite the conversation piece, before it sank.
Posted by: That deplorable guy
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And a M-60 Hog on the keyak with a pintel mount for ease of swivel and paddling.
Posted by: That deplorable guy
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And a M-60 Hog on the keyak with a pintel mount for ease of swivel and paddling.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:29 PM (FOThK)
Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at May 21, 2017 07:31 PM (Tyii7)
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i love weapons. however, i will not discuss or admit to anything on the intertubes. too many urban yutes read this shit. not mention all the fags at the nsa. no weapon, no cry.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 21, 2017 07:31 PM (KP5rU)
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my next purchase is going to the Ruger mini-14 blackout
Posted by: WaldoTJ at May 21, 2017 07:31 PM (uHvoA)
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The Ruger 556 is probably the best in its price class. Then there is the Springfield armory SAINT. Got to have one just because the name gives the libtards a coronary. The daughter and the wife will probably run those if need be, I prefer my Danial defense DDM5 with 18" barrel. .308 has a lot of power at long range. You also have to have a shotgun, I have an 870 with a Knox spec ops stock with pistol grip in .20 gauge. Again so the wife and daughter can use them also. Don't forget the pistol to fight your way to the long guns, I prefer a Glock 40 in 10mm.
Posted by: Stephana at May 21, 2017 07:31 PM (ffv4o)
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A day out with josephistan must be like hanging around a day with Ferris Bueller
Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2017 07:32 PM (Ot7+c)
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Well, having read the comments up to 167 instead of just jumping in, Jim and 11-B mailclerk (did I get that right?) are there. All I would add is try to get something that is "mil-spec", a mid-length gas system (assuming you don't go piston, which is what I would recommend), and a 1:7 or 1:8 twist. Yah, yah on 1:7 and 55gr bullets, less of an effect than many surmise, IME.
Double-plus on Jim's Appleseed recommendation.
After you get some experience, look for a good red-dot.
Double-plus on Jim's Appleseed recommendation.
After you get some experience, look for a good red-dot.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 21, 2017 07:32 PM (DMUuz)
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172 My canoe with a pair of Ma Deuces mounted fore and aft was always quite the conversation piece, before it sank.
Posted by: That deplorable guy
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And a M-60 Hog on the keyak with a pintel mount for ease of swivel and paddling.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:29 PM (FOThK)
Hahaha....no need to be insulting. M-60 Pig please.
Guns Up!
Posted by: That deplorable guy
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And a M-60 Hog on the keyak with a pintel mount for ease of swivel and paddling.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:29 PM (FOThK)
Hahaha....no need to be insulting. M-60 Pig please.
Guns Up!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 07:32 PM (5VlCp)
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My canoe with a pair of Ma Deuces mounted fore and aft was always quite the conversation piece, before it sank.
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In that vein, the small boats mounting punt guns preportedly skittered backwards 20-30 feet when the gun was fired.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/oevz6sn
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In that vein, the small boats mounting punt guns preportedly skittered backwards 20-30 feet when the gun was fired.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/oevz6sn
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2017 07:32 PM (ZO497)
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179 A day out with josephistan must be like hanging around a day with Ferris Bueller
Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2017 07:32 PM (Ot7+c)
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Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2017 07:32 PM (Ot7+c)
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Posted by: josephistan at May 21, 2017 07:33 PM (ANIFC)
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Posted by: Stephana at May 21, 2017 07:31 PM (ffv4o)
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The model name of the receiver on my mid-range rifle is the DEVIANT.
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The model name of the receiver on my mid-range rifle is the DEVIANT.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 07:33 PM (Sfs6o)
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Personally, I have a pretty simple tactic whenever I decide to buy a durable good. It's "try it out first," and comes in two flavors:
1) If you can rent it or borrow it, do so, and use it for awhile. That will tell you if you like it or not, and give you a feel for what to look for.
or
2) Buy a cheap one and use it a lot to see what you like and don't like. Then buy the one you want, and sell the old one.
I did that with my little .556 AR. I went out an bought a cheap S&W on sale somewhere and put a few hundred rounds through it. That told me what I liked and didn't like about the way it handled, and what I really wish I had (for instance, I decided that I really *did* wish I had a forward assist, even though a lot of people told me it wasn't necessary in modern ARs).
I also decided I didn't really want an AR. The AR was nice in that it didn't have a lot of recoil, and my nephews really liked shooting it -- but they liked shooting it for the same reason they liked shooting my .22 Remington -- rapid fire and no recoil. For me, the AR turned out to be just an expenive plinking gun that I used about the same way I used my .22, but at five times the price for ammunition, and 8 times the price for the weapon.
A lot of people put all sorts of addons on these things, but I never shoot under conditions where that makes a big difference. I like iron sights, and I'm a medium range hunter, not a sniper. I've pretty much set the AR aside, and have moved back to my bolt action .30-06. I can hit things with it, and they fall down when I do.
I have a friend that's a "real" rifleman-type guy. He goes to the long range rifle ranges, loads his own ammo, buys the high-end optics, and all that stuff. He has groupings at 900 yards that i don't get at 100 yards.
But that's a lot of work, and it's not necessary for shooting rabbits and coyotes on the farm or harvesting deer or turkey. And, for home defense, I just can't see where a rifle tricked out with $1000 optics, laser light shows, and a full screen TV will outperform a 12 guage shotgun at 15 feet.
So, borrow a friend's weapon, or buy a cheap AR on one of the gun broker lists, and see what you like and don't like. *Then* spend the zillion bucks on the tricked out weapon if it floats your boat.
1) If you can rent it or borrow it, do so, and use it for awhile. That will tell you if you like it or not, and give you a feel for what to look for.
or
2) Buy a cheap one and use it a lot to see what you like and don't like. Then buy the one you want, and sell the old one.
I did that with my little .556 AR. I went out an bought a cheap S&W on sale somewhere and put a few hundred rounds through it. That told me what I liked and didn't like about the way it handled, and what I really wish I had (for instance, I decided that I really *did* wish I had a forward assist, even though a lot of people told me it wasn't necessary in modern ARs).
I also decided I didn't really want an AR. The AR was nice in that it didn't have a lot of recoil, and my nephews really liked shooting it -- but they liked shooting it for the same reason they liked shooting my .22 Remington -- rapid fire and no recoil. For me, the AR turned out to be just an expenive plinking gun that I used about the same way I used my .22, but at five times the price for ammunition, and 8 times the price for the weapon.
A lot of people put all sorts of addons on these things, but I never shoot under conditions where that makes a big difference. I like iron sights, and I'm a medium range hunter, not a sniper. I've pretty much set the AR aside, and have moved back to my bolt action .30-06. I can hit things with it, and they fall down when I do.
I have a friend that's a "real" rifleman-type guy. He goes to the long range rifle ranges, loads his own ammo, buys the high-end optics, and all that stuff. He has groupings at 900 yards that i don't get at 100 yards.
But that's a lot of work, and it's not necessary for shooting rabbits and coyotes on the farm or harvesting deer or turkey. And, for home defense, I just can't see where a rifle tricked out with $1000 optics, laser light shows, and a full screen TV will outperform a 12 guage shotgun at 15 feet.
So, borrow a friend's weapon, or buy a cheap AR on one of the gun broker lists, and see what you like and don't like. *Then* spend the zillion bucks on the tricked out weapon if it floats your boat.
Posted by: billo at May 21, 2017 07:34 PM (r61kZ)
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GUN THREAD!!!
"The Ruger AR-556 looks like a nice rifle. So does the Colt AR15A4. Any other suggestions out there?"
Build
your own; they are like LEGOs. In addition, in the burning times, you
can be your own gunsmith and assemble from dropped parts and pieces.
Posted by: flounder
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BTW, the rule is IF you have any leftover parts you MUST use them to build another AR-15.
GUN THREAD!!!
"The Ruger AR-556 looks like a nice rifle. So does the Colt AR15A4. Any other suggestions out there?"
Build
your own; they are like LEGOs. In addition, in the burning times, you
can be your own gunsmith and assemble from dropped parts and pieces.
Posted by: flounder
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BTW, the rule is IF you have any leftover parts you MUST use them to build another AR-15.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 21, 2017 07:34 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:35 PM (FOThK)
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The last clip in the video looks fake...The gun falls down, goes off (don't know why) but doesn't kick at all and shoots the guy in the ass or leg?
Posted by: Lemmiwinks and his flaming boner of winning at May 21, 2017 07:35 PM (18h+i)
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In that vein, the small boats mounting punt guns preportedly skittered backwards 20-30 feet when the gun was fired.
If you have the money for all that ammo, it sure saves on paddling.
If you have the money for all that ammo, it sure saves on paddling.
Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at May 21, 2017 07:36 PM (Tyii7)
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BTW, the rule is IF you have any leftover parts you MUST use them to build another AR-15.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 21, 2017 07:34 PM (hVdx9)
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Sure glad that wasn't the rule for my '65 Corvair.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 21, 2017 07:34 PM (hVdx9)
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Sure glad that wasn't the rule for my '65 Corvair.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:36 PM (FOThK)
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Go with Colt, Rock River or Smith & Wesson M&P for your AR. Smith will be easiest on your wallet and all are milspec.
Get a Aimpoint PRO red dot sight, and they will cowitness with the back up irons that come with your flat top.
Get a Aimpoint PRO red dot sight, and they will cowitness with the back up irons that come with your flat top.
Posted by: Joe at May 21, 2017 07:37 PM (0BXXu)
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Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:35 PM
I got stuck with the M-60, and hated it. Of course, I was never in a tight situation. Just carrying the barrel bags on a forced march gave me chest pains which I never got over.
Then, somebody had to carry the damn ammo for the thing.
I got stuck with the M-60, and hated it. Of course, I was never in a tight situation. Just carrying the barrel bags on a forced march gave me chest pains which I never got over.
Then, somebody had to carry the damn ammo for the thing.
Posted by: Torche le Burnier at May 21, 2017 07:37 PM (0LmgR)
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Iron sights. Learn to use them.
Iron sights. Learn to use them.
Posted by: otho at May 21, 2017 07:38 PM (lmIoG)
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There is a great deal to recommend AR-type firearms, but I've never owned one. For semi-auto long rifles and carbines, I prefer the SKS and AK-families. SKS has a great deal to recommend it for a new gun-owner, relatively low cost, extreme ruggedness, cheap ammo (and will fire even the cheapest ammo reliably without choking).
Also excellent, though at the other end of spectrum, are the Marlin 60 and other tube-fed semi-auto .22LR guns. Very cheap (a used Marlin can easily be had for less than $200, new can be found well under $300). Ruger 10/22 and the Remington 597 are equally good. The Ruger can be had as a sporter or "tactical" variant with 25 round magazine, polymer stock, Picatinny rails, etc.
For shotguns it's hard to go wrong with the Remington 870, Mossberg 500, or Winchester Defender. I have the latter and it's an excellent gun. Again, depending on how equipped, all of these can be found for less than $400 used or $500 new.
I am very particular about handguns. I am not a big fan of most polymer guns. I have an EAA SAR B6 and I love it. I also think a lot of the Beretta 92FS. These are heavier guns and pretty large for concealed carry but I like their stability and ruggedness. I am not a fan of the Springfield XDM or some of the other compact polymer concealed carry types. I don't have an issue with polymers generally they just don't feel right for me. I am a big guy and can handle a heavy gun. For concealed carry I have a Bersa Thunder in .380 ACP. Pretty inexpensive and quite compact. It's a hoot to shoot.
There are lots of revolvers worth recommending too. I really like .357/.38 Special guns. It's nice to have that flexibility in the same gun. I have a Ruger GP100 in .357 with a 4 1/4 in barrel. Heckuva gun, I really like it.
For target practice and general plinking Ruger Mark II/III/IV are great, though some have problems with the later Mark III and iV variants. I have a Mark II and love it though the mags are expensive.
Hope this helps. Also for semi-autos I love FN FAL clones, ROMAK 3, my AKs and Springfield M1As (semi-auto M14 clone). Ruger Mini-14s are also excellent by reputation though I've never owned one . Generally you can find a low-end AR-type for less money than the Mini-14, though. Mosin-Nagant, Mauser 98K, Lee-Enfield in .303 are all great mil-surplus guns I've enjoyed shooting but never owned any of those. For hunting I have a Remington 740 semi-auto in .30-06 but my main hunting gun for the smaller deer of Central Texas is an ancient Savage in .270. I don't even know the model I sort of inherited it but it shoots great and I've killed a lot of deer with it.
Guns are fun.
Also excellent, though at the other end of spectrum, are the Marlin 60 and other tube-fed semi-auto .22LR guns. Very cheap (a used Marlin can easily be had for less than $200, new can be found well under $300). Ruger 10/22 and the Remington 597 are equally good. The Ruger can be had as a sporter or "tactical" variant with 25 round magazine, polymer stock, Picatinny rails, etc.
For shotguns it's hard to go wrong with the Remington 870, Mossberg 500, or Winchester Defender. I have the latter and it's an excellent gun. Again, depending on how equipped, all of these can be found for less than $400 used or $500 new.
I am very particular about handguns. I am not a big fan of most polymer guns. I have an EAA SAR B6 and I love it. I also think a lot of the Beretta 92FS. These are heavier guns and pretty large for concealed carry but I like their stability and ruggedness. I am not a fan of the Springfield XDM or some of the other compact polymer concealed carry types. I don't have an issue with polymers generally they just don't feel right for me. I am a big guy and can handle a heavy gun. For concealed carry I have a Bersa Thunder in .380 ACP. Pretty inexpensive and quite compact. It's a hoot to shoot.
There are lots of revolvers worth recommending too. I really like .357/.38 Special guns. It's nice to have that flexibility in the same gun. I have a Ruger GP100 in .357 with a 4 1/4 in barrel. Heckuva gun, I really like it.
For target practice and general plinking Ruger Mark II/III/IV are great, though some have problems with the later Mark III and iV variants. I have a Mark II and love it though the mags are expensive.
Hope this helps. Also for semi-autos I love FN FAL clones, ROMAK 3, my AKs and Springfield M1As (semi-auto M14 clone). Ruger Mini-14s are also excellent by reputation though I've never owned one . Generally you can find a low-end AR-type for less money than the Mini-14, though. Mosin-Nagant, Mauser 98K, Lee-Enfield in .303 are all great mil-surplus guns I've enjoyed shooting but never owned any of those. For hunting I have a Remington 740 semi-auto in .30-06 but my main hunting gun for the smaller deer of Central Texas is an ancient Savage in .270. I don't even know the model I sort of inherited it but it shoots great and I've killed a lot of deer with it.
Guns are fun.
Posted by: Tantumblogo at May 21, 2017 07:40 PM (0zHpd)
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Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 21, 2017 07:34 PM
You commented earlier this week that we couldn't possibly know all your shameful secrets, since we hadn't clawed our eyes out.
We know all about your obsessive downloading of every Yoko picture and video that has ever appeared on the AoSHQ site, including the complete Yokopalooza of lore.
Dude. You have never made our Top 100. Not of the Year, not of the Month, not of the Week, not of the Day, not of the Hour, not of the minute, not even of the Microfortnight.
BTW, we can help with 'accident' locations, if asked nicely.
You commented earlier this week that we couldn't possibly know all your shameful secrets, since we hadn't clawed our eyes out.
We know all about your obsessive downloading of every Yoko picture and video that has ever appeared on the AoSHQ site, including the complete Yokopalooza of lore.
Dude. You have never made our Top 100. Not of the Year, not of the Month, not of the Week, not of the Day, not of the Hour, not of the minute, not even of the Microfortnight.
BTW, we can help with 'accident' locations, if asked nicely.
Posted by: Bob at NSA at May 21, 2017 07:41 PM (DMUuz)
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Hairyback,
I love the M-60. Best thing EVAH in a tight situation.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:35 PM (FOThK)
Yup.....could take a house down with it if you needed too.
M-60 gunners were a different breed. And Torch is right, humping their ammo meant you had to stick on their ass no matter where they were running to.
I love the M-60. Best thing EVAH in a tight situation.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:35 PM (FOThK)
Yup.....could take a house down with it if you needed too.
M-60 gunners were a different breed. And Torch is right, humping their ammo meant you had to stick on their ass no matter where they were running to.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 07:41 PM (5VlCp)
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My 22 is a model 62a Winchester given me when I was 12.
I have one, as well. Rock solid and eats everything .22 all day.
I have one, as well. Rock solid and eats everything .22 all day.
Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at May 21, 2017 07:44 PM (G9MZN)
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Only AR I've had an ongoing function problem with is the most expensive, a SIG. The ones I enjoy shooting the most are the non 5.56 ones, a 6.5 Grendel and a 7.62 x 39. I built the Grendel and the communist round rifle is a Rock River. Other than the Sig, no functioning problems with the rest. If you don't have one now's the time.
Posted by: Agitator at May 21, 2017 07:46 PM (gF4kY)
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"Ruger 10/22 and the Remington 597 are equally good."
Most of my friends insisted that the Ruger was better until they tried my 597. It's often available at a much lower cost than the Ruger, too.
Most of my friends insisted that the Ruger was better until they tried my 597. It's often available at a much lower cost than the Ruger, too.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 21, 2017 07:47 PM (RuyTK)
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A lot of the guns went back for "New York Triggers," I wonder if people are mistaking the modification for a repair?
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 07:24 PM (wB8Tg)
I remember that one of the safeties was a tit on the trigger, and some concern that it could be jiggered by loose threads and fabric in a fabric holster. Granted, part of the concern may have been accidental discharges by yahoos because it was an unusual safety.
That was back before the newer safety came out in, what, 2000?
A lot of older gun people are suspicious of revolutionary innovations, and I hung out with them. The last newest thing often is forgotten within 10 years. I'm still waiting for Dardick to bring out a 9mm for example.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 07:24 PM (wB8Tg)
I remember that one of the safeties was a tit on the trigger, and some concern that it could be jiggered by loose threads and fabric in a fabric holster. Granted, part of the concern may have been accidental discharges by yahoos because it was an unusual safety.
That was back before the newer safety came out in, what, 2000?
A lot of older gun people are suspicious of revolutionary innovations, and I hung out with them. The last newest thing often is forgotten within 10 years. I'm still waiting for Dardick to bring out a 9mm for example.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 21, 2017 07:48 PM (mkDpn)
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I held out on buying an AR platform forever. Absolutely love my SandW MandP.
The biggest issue with these guns is their appetite
They all go through ammo like a teenage boy hitting the chicken at an all you can eat buffet
The biggest issue with these guns is their appetite
They all go through ammo like a teenage boy hitting the chicken at an all you can eat buffet
Posted by: PMRich at May 21, 2017 07:48 PM (w5Qj0)
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When the FO was screaming to fire the FPF, suddenly all that ammo didn't weigh very much. And you began to worry if you had enough.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:48 PM (FOThK)
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HIS NAME WAS EUGENE STONER!
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 21, 2017 07:49 PM (2qdBt)
Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at May 21, 2017 07:49 PM (G9MZN)
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Here is an AR-15 parts kit for $299. If you can get an Anderson reciver for $50-$60 you are into a decent AR-15 for an insanely low price.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 21, 2017 07:49 PM (hVdx9)
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I recently bought a Ruger AR556.
I put on a Magpul stock, hand-guard and replaced the grip with a BCM Gunfighter Mod 3 grip.
I also added a Sig-Sauer WHISKEY3 4-12x40mm scope (with illuminated reticle) on a Burris PEPR quick detach mount.
I put on a Magpul stock, hand-guard and replaced the grip with a BCM Gunfighter Mod 3 grip.
I also added a Sig-Sauer WHISKEY3 4-12x40mm scope (with illuminated reticle) on a Burris PEPR quick detach mount.
Posted by: Jolo at May 21, 2017 07:50 PM (y09j5)
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Whoops AR-15 parts kit
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hf4e5s8
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hf4e5s8
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 21, 2017 07:51 PM (hVdx9)
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" I like iron sights, and I'm a medium range hunter, not a sniper."
Said Billo at 07:34pm
Ditto. I only have one gun with fancy red dot sights and all the tactical jazz and I bought it that way at a pawn shop a friend owns. It's a Ruger 10/22 which makes all the sites and lasers kind of silly but it's still a lot of fun and I got a great deal on it.
Said Billo at 07:34pm
Ditto. I only have one gun with fancy red dot sights and all the tactical jazz and I bought it that way at a pawn shop a friend owns. It's a Ruger 10/22 which makes all the sites and lasers kind of silly but it's still a lot of fun and I got a great deal on it.
Posted by: Tantumblogo at May 21, 2017 07:51 PM (0zHpd)
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:53 PM (FOThK)
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Cheap red dots are worth it.
I'm an iron sight man but the eyes aren't so good anymore.
My groups with my $200 holosun are ridiculously good compared to irons.
I'm an iron sight man but the eyes aren't so good anymore.
My groups with my $200 holosun are ridiculously good compared to irons.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 21, 2017 07:53 PM (uLR9H)
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When the FO was screaming to fire the FPF, suddenly all that ammo didn't weigh very much. And you began to worry if you had enough.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:48 PM (FOThK)
Haha...yup. Watching the belt disappear is both a blessing and curse.
I always wonder what they did with all the M-60s when they phased them out.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 07:48 PM (FOThK)
Haha...yup. Watching the belt disappear is both a blessing and curse.
I always wonder what they did with all the M-60s when they phased them out.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 07:55 PM (5VlCp)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 21, 2017 07:56 PM (ZTRlp)
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RUN!!!!!!!!!!!
THOSE ARE ALL BELT-FED COMBAT NUCLEAR WARHEAD LAUNCHING AUTOMATIC MACHINE-GUN MISSILE KILL MACHINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THOSE ARE ALL BELT-FED COMBAT NUCLEAR WARHEAD LAUNCHING AUTOMATIC MACHINE-GUN MISSILE KILL MACHINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Typical MSM "Reporter" at May 21, 2017 07:57 PM (wOq8U)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 21, 2017 08:00 PM (quw2O)
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Am I banned?
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:02 PM (yTnCT)
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A 16-inch poodle-shooter with a collapsible stock in 5.56 with a 1:7 twist is a 300 yard gun. You can handload better stuff (77 gr SMK) but green-tip and similar - 300 yards if that.
I can't shoot irons any more, I have a 1x red dot and a 1.5 to 6 scope. The scope is illuminated because it is hard to aim at a guy in the dark dressed in all black silhouetted against a black background when you have black cross hairs. Or try night-fire. Illumination helps. I have a rail front end so I can mount a surefire light and/or a laser.
If you want to shoot further, be aware that the US Army is researching a bullets larger than the 5.56 mm. One of the current favorites is 6.8 SPC - most everything is the same except the bore diameter, range, and punch. And no milsurp ammo.
Sorry to hear about the boating accident. Lot of that going around.
I can't shoot irons any more, I have a 1x red dot and a 1.5 to 6 scope. The scope is illuminated because it is hard to aim at a guy in the dark dressed in all black silhouetted against a black background when you have black cross hairs. Or try night-fire. Illumination helps. I have a rail front end so I can mount a surefire light and/or a laser.
If you want to shoot further, be aware that the US Army is researching a bullets larger than the 5.56 mm. One of the current favorites is 6.8 SPC - most everything is the same except the bore diameter, range, and punch. And no milsurp ammo.
Sorry to hear about the boating accident. Lot of that going around.
Posted by: Richard at May 21, 2017 08:02 PM (Qkzna)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 21, 2017 08:02 PM (2qdBt)
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215. That depends - tell us, how much do you love Czech firearms in general, and CZ in particular?
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 21, 2017 08:03 PM (2qdBt)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 21, 2017 08:04 PM (RuyTK)
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I like Glocks. A lot.
They aren't ultimate ergonomic tool, but damn will they shoot.
They aren't ultimate ergonomic tool, but damn will they shoot.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 21, 2017 08:04 PM (uLR9H)
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I'm an iron sight man but the eyes aren't so good anymore.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 21, 2017 07:53 PM (uLR9H)
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I usually shoot with optics but have a number of rifles with iron sights. I took one - an 03 Springfield - to the range recently and was surprised I could hit a target at 1000 yards with surplus M2 Ball ammo. The groups weren't going to win any medals but it was an approximately man-sized target at 1000 yards with iron sights.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 21, 2017 07:53 PM (uLR9H)
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I usually shoot with optics but have a number of rifles with iron sights. I took one - an 03 Springfield - to the range recently and was surprised I could hit a target at 1000 yards with surplus M2 Ball ammo. The groups weren't going to win any medals but it was an approximately man-sized target at 1000 yards with iron sights.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 08:04 PM (Sfs6o)
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Cloyd - wait until she answers. Theres no sense being arbitrary about it.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 21, 2017 08:05 PM (2qdBt)
223
214
Oh, by the way....
CZ>Sig>Glock
*sticks out tongue*
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 21, 2017 08:00 PM (quw2O)
I do like-a the CZs. Of course, I'm pretty much a hoplophile and like all kinds of guns for all kinds of different reasons.
Oh, by the way....
CZ>Sig>Glock
*sticks out tongue*
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 21, 2017 08:00 PM (quw2O)
I do like-a the CZs. Of course, I'm pretty much a hoplophile and like all kinds of guns for all kinds of different reasons.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:05 PM (0mRoj)
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I own precisely one pistol. It's a Bursa 380. That's it. I do have a very sharp knife though. And a shillaleagh.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:05 PM (yTnCT)
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219 215 Am I banned?
Yep.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 21, 2017 08:04 PM (RuyTK)
Shhhhhh!
Yep.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 21, 2017 08:04 PM (RuyTK)
Shhhhhh!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 08:06 PM (ycWCI)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 21, 2017 08:06 PM (uLR9H)
227
You guys on the pet thread make me want to get a dog.
You guys on the gun thread make me want to get a gun.
Now if ACE had a dating service, I would want to get a girlfriend, and my life would be complete.
We could take cooking classes together, shop for a new apartment. I would be motivated to get a job.
Life would be great again.
You guys on the gun thread make me want to get a gun.
Now if ACE had a dating service, I would want to get a girlfriend, and my life would be complete.
We could take cooking classes together, shop for a new apartment. I would be motivated to get a job.
Life would be great again.
Posted by: Torche le Burnier at May 21, 2017 08:06 PM (0LmgR)
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220 I like Glocks. A lot.
They aren't ultimate ergonomic tool, but damn will they shoot.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 21, 2017 08:04 PM (uLR9H)
That was my EDC before the canoe accident.
They aren't ultimate ergonomic tool, but damn will they shoot.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 21, 2017 08:04 PM (uLR9H)
That was my EDC before the canoe accident.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:06 PM (0mRoj)
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@madamemayhem
I wish I had your self control.
I...keep buying new guns. Even when I'm out of space in the house.
I wish I had your self control.
I...keep buying new guns. Even when I'm out of space in the house.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 21, 2017 08:07 PM (uLR9H)
230
OT, but this could be yuge: Kim Dotcom says he knows Seth Rich was Assange's source. He says he was involved with Rich in getting the information to Assange. He has meetings with his attorneys on Monday and he says he'll issue a statement on Tuesday.
http://tinyurl.com/kmk6b79
http://tinyurl.com/kmk6b79
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 21, 2017 08:07 PM (RuyTK)
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@214, my CZ 82 is my favorite summer carry piece. They were so cheap (less than 200 bucks) I bought 3 of em.
Not very much to that 9x 18 mm round (its like a .380) but I practice alot with it to overcome the lack of power.
For a milsurp pistol its pretty accurate. Must be that polygonal rifling. I like that it holds 12 in the magazine too.
Anyone pick up any of those Po Po surplus glocks making the rounds?. I did and like them too.
I don't have any sigs yet, but they are on my list. heh.
Not very much to that 9x 18 mm round (its like a .380) but I practice alot with it to overcome the lack of power.
For a milsurp pistol its pretty accurate. Must be that polygonal rifling. I like that it holds 12 in the magazine too.
Anyone pick up any of those Po Po surplus glocks making the rounds?. I did and like them too.
I don't have any sigs yet, but they are on my list. heh.
Posted by: The Walking Dude at May 21, 2017 08:08 PM (ARzf8)
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I want a Federal Ordinance stripper clip adapter for an M-14 Ranch rifle real bad...
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at May 21, 2017 08:08 PM (e9G8E)
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Pappymayhem has a fuck ton of weapons. I swear he has an arsenal. If I need more weapons I just have to talk to my dad.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:09 PM (yTnCT)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 21, 2017 08:09 PM (cPsPa)
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Anyone pick up any of those Po Po surplus glocks making the rounds?. I did and like them too.
Did some time ago. Got a Sig that way too.
Did some time ago. Got a Sig that way too.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:09 PM (0mRoj)
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Oh, by the way....
CZ>Sig>Glock
*sticks out tongue*
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 21, 2017 08:00 PM (quw2O)
Yup....CZ is on par with anything around today.
Even their "old" stuff holds up well. I had the pleasure to shoot a VZ-52 in 7.62x45mm not too long ago and it was over 50 years old and handled just like an M-1 Garand with much less recoil and a bayonet to boot.
Crappier sights though....like an AKM's.
CZ>Sig>Glock
*sticks out tongue*
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 21, 2017 08:00 PM (quw2O)
Yup....CZ is on par with anything around today.
Even their "old" stuff holds up well. I had the pleasure to shoot a VZ-52 in 7.62x45mm not too long ago and it was over 50 years old and handled just like an M-1 Garand with much less recoil and a bayonet to boot.
Crappier sights though....like an AKM's.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 08:10 PM (5VlCp)
237
Are we not banned?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 21, 2017 08:10 PM (IqV8l)
238
Nothing against the M1 Garand aficionados, but the ones that cite reliability and firepower over an AR15 make me laugh.
You do realize that the AR15 has been in active service for twice as long as the Garand was (and still counting), seen conflict in more environments, been issued to far more troops, and produced in far greater numbers than the M1 ever was.
As for lethality, sure, a 30-06 packs a wallop and has some range. Actually, more range than most can use, other than a few occasions cited about Afghanistan and Iraq, you really don't need to reach out more than 500m, and being able to make precision shots at ranges beyond that is really a specialty profession, not something the *average* infantry soldier or Marine can be expected to do reliably, even with modern optics.
Besides, there's definitely no shortage of ex-bad guys due to the AR15 series of rifles, close range and long range. It does the job.
Plus, it's reliable (no, seriously, it is!). Plus, these days, civilian versions are dirt cheap, reasonably cheap to shoot, and accessories abound.
And there's much to be said for the light weight and, modularity of the platform, as well as 30+ round magazines vs 8 round clips, and huge stockpiles of 5.56/.223 to be found nearly everywhere, which might be handy when the zombies come.
You do realize that the AR15 has been in active service for twice as long as the Garand was (and still counting), seen conflict in more environments, been issued to far more troops, and produced in far greater numbers than the M1 ever was.
As for lethality, sure, a 30-06 packs a wallop and has some range. Actually, more range than most can use, other than a few occasions cited about Afghanistan and Iraq, you really don't need to reach out more than 500m, and being able to make precision shots at ranges beyond that is really a specialty profession, not something the *average* infantry soldier or Marine can be expected to do reliably, even with modern optics.
Besides, there's definitely no shortage of ex-bad guys due to the AR15 series of rifles, close range and long range. It does the job.
Plus, it's reliable (no, seriously, it is!). Plus, these days, civilian versions are dirt cheap, reasonably cheap to shoot, and accessories abound.
And there's much to be said for the light weight and, modularity of the platform, as well as 30+ round magazines vs 8 round clips, and huge stockpiles of 5.56/.223 to be found nearly everywhere, which might be handy when the zombies come.
Posted by: Croak at May 21, 2017 08:10 PM (r8wIS)
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@The Walking Dude
I bought a G22 that was a police trade in.
Shoots fine but I'm not a huge .40 S&W fan.
I bought a G22 that was a police trade in.
Shoots fine but I'm not a huge .40 S&W fan.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 21, 2017 08:10 PM (uLR9H)
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239 @The Walking Dude
I bought a G22 that was a police trade in.
Shoots fine but I'm not a huge .40 S&W fan.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 21, 2017 08:10 PM (uLR9H)
I LOVE .40 S&W.
I bought a G22 that was a police trade in.
Shoots fine but I'm not a huge .40 S&W fan.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 21, 2017 08:10 PM (uLR9H)
I LOVE .40 S&W.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:11 PM (0mRoj)
241
"You guys on the pet thread make me want to get a dog.
You guys on the gun thread make me want to get a gun.
Now if ACE had a dating service, I would want to get a girlfriend, and my life would be complete."
Take Lena Dunham on a date to a gun show and you are set.
You guys on the gun thread make me want to get a gun.
Now if ACE had a dating service, I would want to get a girlfriend, and my life would be complete."
Take Lena Dunham on a date to a gun show and you are set.
Posted by: freaked at May 21, 2017 08:11 PM (BO/km)
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236. My favorite pistols are my two CZ 52's
Even bought one for my angel, and she loves the thing.
Even bought one for my angel, and she loves the thing.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 21, 2017 08:11 PM (2qdBt)
243
I asked about being banned because I can't tell if the site hates me or if it's just my tablet. Evidently it's the tablet. Thanks for helping me figure that out.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:12 PM (yTnCT)
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I loved the M60. Damned fine gun. Hated lugging the fucking thing though, but I was a lazy fuck. But, for what it brought to the table, gimme the M60.
I loved the M60. Damned fine gun. Hated lugging the fucking thing though, but I was a lazy fuck. But, for what it brought to the table, gimme the M60.
Posted by: otho at May 21, 2017 08:13 PM (lmIoG)
245
That video helped me laugh off all of the weight that I gained reading the food thread.
Posted by: goon at May 21, 2017 08:13 PM (EaQ6/)
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243 I asked about being banned because I can't tell if the site hates me or if it's just my tablet. Evidently it's the tablet. Thanks for helping me figure that out.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:12 PM (yTnCT)
Tablets don' go round here.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:12 PM (yTnCT)
Tablets don' go round here.
Posted by: Ike Clanton at May 21, 2017 08:13 PM (ycWCI)
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242 236. My favorite pistols are my two CZ 52's
Even bought one for my angel, and she loves the thing.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 21, 2017 08:11 PM (2qdBt)
Those are fun. The 7.62x25 is a great round. Plus you could run that gun over with a tank and not leave a mark.
Even bought one for my angel, and she loves the thing.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 21, 2017 08:11 PM (2qdBt)
Those are fun. The 7.62x25 is a great round. Plus you could run that gun over with a tank and not leave a mark.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:13 PM (0mRoj)
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They banned the uppity wench??
Posted by: freaked at May 21, 2017 08:13 PM (BO/km)
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@229, I ran out space in the safes and found if I cram all the short rifles up top (m 44s, etc) I can cram more long rifles (Swiss 1896/11's .and 1911's, Finn M39s etc) in the bottom.
Pistols are easy...using a shoe horn and some gun oil they can cram into the any spaces between the rifles.
And the wife thought I was out of room for guns. I got news for her, I'll have room for guns long after she runs out of room for purses and shoes. Just sayin.
Pistols are easy...using a shoe horn and some gun oil they can cram into the any spaces between the rifles.
And the wife thought I was out of room for guns. I got news for her, I'll have room for guns long after she runs out of room for purses and shoes. Just sayin.
Posted by: The Walking Dude at May 21, 2017 08:14 PM (ARzf8)
250
Hey Uncle Palp! Did you pop that question? I haven't been around much lately.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:14 PM (yTnCT)
251
243. Just teasing ya.
**gives discreet signal to proceed with the banning, anyway, for the impertinence of the question**
**gives discreet signal to proceed with the banning, anyway, for the impertinence of the question**
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 21, 2017 08:14 PM (2qdBt)
252
And the wife thought I was out of room for guns. I got news for her, I'll have room for guns long after she runs out of room for purses and shoes. Just sayin.
Posted by: The Walking Dude at May 21, 2017 08:14 PM (ARzf
Besides, you can always use the purses and shoes to store your guns.
Posted by: The Walking Dude at May 21, 2017 08:14 PM (ARzf
Besides, you can always use the purses and shoes to store your guns.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:15 PM (0mRoj)
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250. They gave their blessings (parents) and their sullen, grudging acquiescence (the aunts). Now for the hard part - not screwing this up.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 21, 2017 08:16 PM (2qdBt)
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The makarov is also a good pistol.
Shockingly accurate and 9mm MAK has also a long history of getting the job done. Great summer carry piece for me.
Shockingly accurate and 9mm MAK has also a long history of getting the job done. Great summer carry piece for me.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 21, 2017 08:16 PM (uLR9H)
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My ar-15 in .300 AAC is good out to 300 yars with iron sights.
Heck, I was just happy it worked.
Heck, I was just happy it worked.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 21, 2017 08:16 PM (hVdx9)
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I've wanted a CZ 455 forever. My brother had one and they're just fantastic rifles.
And poverty is a bitch.
http://tinyurl.com/l8upjl3
And poverty is a bitch.
http://tinyurl.com/l8upjl3
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 21, 2017 08:16 PM (RuyTK)
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247. True. Of course, the tank will need a new tread afterward.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 21, 2017 08:17 PM (2qdBt)
258
Suggesting no low or V neck tops for the womynz is a
must. Seen too many dancing around while digging for the hot casing in
their cleavage.
Posted by: GOULD at May 21, 2017 06:05 PM (Hj4t4)
Yeah. Owowowowow.
must. Seen too many dancing around while digging for the hot casing in
their cleavage.
Posted by: GOULD at May 21, 2017 06:05 PM (Hj4t4)
Yeah. Owowowowow.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 21, 2017 08:17 PM (tHwdc)
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Star Trek is on. It's the episode with Kahn. The scene where he turns into a homosexual hairdresser is on now.
Star Trek is on. It's the episode with Kahn. The scene where he turns into a homosexual hairdresser is on now.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 21, 2017 08:17 PM (KhJ2y)
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@253
Congrats! You'll be great! She's a lucky lady.
Congrats! You'll be great! She's a lucky lady.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:18 PM (yTnCT)
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258 Suggesting no low or V neck tops for the womynz is a
must. Seen too many dancing around while digging for the hot casing in
their cleavage.
Posted by: GOULD at May 21, 2017 06:05 PM (Hj4t4)
Yeah. Owowowowow.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 21, 2017 08:17 PM (tHwdc)
The boob-burning brass dance is fun to watch, but probably not nearly as fun to experience.
must. Seen too many dancing around while digging for the hot casing in
their cleavage.
Posted by: GOULD at May 21, 2017 06:05 PM (Hj4t4)
Yeah. Owowowowow.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 21, 2017 08:17 PM (tHwdc)
The boob-burning brass dance is fun to watch, but probably not nearly as fun to experience.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:18 PM (0mRoj)
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260. Thanks, madamemayhem. I'm definitely marrying up.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 21, 2017 08:19 PM (2qdBt)
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259
Star Trek is on. It's the episode with Kahn. The scene where he turns into a homosexual hairdresser is on now.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 21, 2017 08:17 PM (KhJ2y)
For hate's sake, I use my last highlights kit on thee!
Star Trek is on. It's the episode with Kahn. The scene where he turns into a homosexual hairdresser is on now.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 21, 2017 08:17 PM (KhJ2y)
For hate's sake, I use my last highlights kit on thee!
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:19 PM (0mRoj)
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The boob-burning brass dance is fun to watch, but probably not nearly as fun to experience.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:18 PM (0mRoj)
I am sure we will see some article on "brass privilege" any day now and how sensitive, woke males drop their brass down their shorts just to be in solidarity with the womyn.
The boob-burning brass dance is fun to watch, but probably not nearly as fun to experience.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:18 PM (0mRoj)
I am sure we will see some article on "brass privilege" any day now and how sensitive, woke males drop their brass down their shorts just to be in solidarity with the womyn.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 08:20 PM (ycWCI)
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Just FYI, not everyone is a fan of the SKS.
I bought a Chinese (Norinko) SKS in the 1990s for about $130.00. It had no feed ramps and had violent stovepipe issues. The cartridges were typically dented. It would FTF probably 50% of the time. If you google it there are a lot of people with this issue. There is even a procedure for cutting feed ramps into the breech with a dremel tool. I don't recommend it.
Just FYI, not everyone is a fan of the SKS.
I bought a Chinese (Norinko) SKS in the 1990s for about $130.00. It had no feed ramps and had violent stovepipe issues. The cartridges were typically dented. It would FTF probably 50% of the time. If you google it there are a lot of people with this issue. There is even a procedure for cutting feed ramps into the breech with a dremel tool. I don't recommend it.
Posted by: Frankly at May 21, 2017 08:21 PM (fj+Nw)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 21, 2017 08:21 PM (2qdBt)
267
I am sure we will see some article on "brass privilege" any day now and how sensitive, woke males drop their brass down their shorts just to be in solidarity with the womyn.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 08:20 PM (ycWCI)
Fuck that. I once caught a piece of hot brass that bounces off the wall of my shooting lane and somehow went over the top of my eye protection, getting caught at the bottom and pressing into my cheek. Didn't tickle. From that day on I wore a hat.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 08:20 PM (ycWCI)
Fuck that. I once caught a piece of hot brass that bounces off the wall of my shooting lane and somehow went over the top of my eye protection, getting caught at the bottom and pressing into my cheek. Didn't tickle. From that day on I wore a hat.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:22 PM (0mRoj)
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Unc;e Palp- Do you have one of those registry things for the wedding?
If you have one for your side does it include the caliber of ammo?
If you have one for your side does it include the caliber of ammo?
Posted by: Ben Had at May 21, 2017 08:25 PM (r+MfR)
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112 Question: When I was a little gunslinger, my dad told me that for safety reasons, you shouldn't keep a round in the chamber to avoid accidental discharge since it takes no time to chamber a round and is safer. Opinions?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 21, 2017 06:51 PM (Nwg0u)
I concur. I friend of mine was in his truck with his boys, hit a bump and the rifle fired. Killed his little boy. Freak accident.
A few years later, he was riding a bull and the bull stepped/jumped on his back. The father is paralyzed from the waist down. Terrible freak accident.
He and his wife are still married. I really feel for them. They are nice people.
I really don't know all the particulars of how the rifle fired. They were shooting coyotes from the truck.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 21, 2017 06:51 PM (Nwg0u)
I concur. I friend of mine was in his truck with his boys, hit a bump and the rifle fired. Killed his little boy. Freak accident.
A few years later, he was riding a bull and the bull stepped/jumped on his back. The father is paralyzed from the waist down. Terrible freak accident.
He and his wife are still married. I really feel for them. They are nice people.
I really don't know all the particulars of how the rifle fired. They were shooting coyotes from the truck.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2017 08:25 PM (Ri/rl)
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The boob-burning brass dance is fun to watch, but probably not nearly as fun to experience.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:18 PM (0mRoj)
I don't waste any time dancing, just jerk the middle of my bra and it drops out onto the ground.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:18 PM (0mRoj)
I don't waste any time dancing, just jerk the middle of my bra and it drops out onto the ground.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 21, 2017 08:25 PM (tHwdc)
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Aaaahhhhhh finally connected. Fuck the rose bowl!!!!!
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 21, 2017 08:26 PM (qZU2B)
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The Makarov is a very nice pistol, it has all the benefits of a PPK with most of the PPK problems resolved.
just, buy East German or Bulgarian by preference. They are more sturdy than the Russian ones.
Oh, and the Star BM is a very nice pistol too. Compact 9mm based on the 1911 Browning.
just, buy East German or Bulgarian by preference. They are more sturdy than the Russian ones.
Oh, and the Star BM is a very nice pistol too. Compact 9mm based on the 1911 Browning.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 21, 2017 08:26 PM (mkDpn)
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I don't waste any time dancing, just jerk the middle of my bra and it drops out onto the ground.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 21, 2017 08:25 PM (tHwdc)
They should make shooting bibs for ladies. Camo, Pink, Hello Kitty, etc. The possibilities are endless.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 21, 2017 08:25 PM (tHwdc)
They should make shooting bibs for ladies. Camo, Pink, Hello Kitty, etc. The possibilities are endless.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 08:27 PM (ycWCI)
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I don't know anything about them but if I bought one it would be an SR 762. Because it sounds so cool like the SR 71.
Posted by: gNewt at May 21, 2017 08:27 PM (Bc1aB)
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270 The boob-burning brass dance is fun to watch, but probably not nearly as fun to experience.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:18 PM (0mRoj)
I don't waste any time dancing, just jerk the middle of my bra and it drops out onto the ground.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 21, 2017 08:25 PM (tHwdc)
Women aren't suppose to wear them at the range. It's the law.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:18 PM (0mRoj)
I don't waste any time dancing, just jerk the middle of my bra and it drops out onto the ground.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 21, 2017 08:25 PM (tHwdc)
Women aren't suppose to wear them at the range. It's the law.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 21, 2017 08:27 PM (ZTRlp)
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I don't waste any time dancing, just jerk the middle of my bra and it drops out onto the ground.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 21, 2017 08:25 PM
Go topless. Problem solved.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 21, 2017 08:25 PM
Go topless. Problem solved.
Posted by: otho at May 21, 2017 08:27 PM (lmIoG)
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Just FYI, not everyone is a fan of the SKS.
I bought a Chinese (Norinko) SKS in the 1990s for about $130.00. It had no feed ramps and had violent stovepipe issues. The cartridges were typically dented. It would FTF probably 50% of the time. If you google it there are a lot of people with this issue. There is even a procedure for cutting feed ramps into the breech with a dremel tool. I don't recommend it.
Posted by: Frankly at May 21, 2017 08:21 PM (fj+Nw)
Sorry to hear....SKS's are usually very reliable and idiot proof. Did yours have a spike or a blade bayonet?
I bought a Chinese (Norinko) SKS in the 1990s for about $130.00. It had no feed ramps and had violent stovepipe issues. The cartridges were typically dented. It would FTF probably 50% of the time. If you google it there are a lot of people with this issue. There is even a procedure for cutting feed ramps into the breech with a dremel tool. I don't recommend it.
Posted by: Frankly at May 21, 2017 08:21 PM (fj+Nw)
Sorry to hear....SKS's are usually very reliable and idiot proof. Did yours have a spike or a blade bayonet?
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 08:28 PM (5VlCp)
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Just FYI, not everyone is a fan of the SKS.
I bought a Chinese (Norinko) SKS in the 1990s for about $130.00. It
had no feed ramps and had violent stovepipe issues. The cartridges were
typically dented. It would FTF probably 50% of the time. If you google
it there are a lot of people with this issue. There is even a procedure
for cutting feed ramps into the breech with a dremel tool. I don't
recommend it.
Posted by: Frankly
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Me too. $79.99 at Shooter's World. Had feeding issues whether it was ball or soft point. The trigger group was a bear to get back on.
The darned thing would probably sell for $400 today.
I bought a Chinese (Norinko) SKS in the 1990s for about $130.00. It
had no feed ramps and had violent stovepipe issues. The cartridges were
typically dented. It would FTF probably 50% of the time. If you google
it there are a lot of people with this issue. There is even a procedure
for cutting feed ramps into the breech with a dremel tool. I don't
recommend it.
Posted by: Frankly
****
Me too. $79.99 at Shooter's World. Had feeding issues whether it was ball or soft point. The trigger group was a bear to get back on.
The darned thing would probably sell for $400 today.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 21, 2017 08:28 PM (hVdx9)
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heh heh heh heh bra, jerk, heh heh heh
Posted by: Beavis at May 21, 2017 08:28 PM (XoldI)
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Did some time ago. Got a Sig that way too.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:09 PM (0mRoj)
I have a sig .380. I like it. I also have a glock 9 mm and a S and W m and p shield 9mm.
I like the smith and Wesson better than the glock. I really like the sig too.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:09 PM (0mRoj)
I have a sig .380. I like it. I also have a glock 9 mm and a S and W m and p shield 9mm.
I like the smith and Wesson better than the glock. I really like the sig too.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2017 08:30 PM (Ri/rl)
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Go topless. Problem solved.
Posted by: otho at May 21, 2017 08:27 PM (lmIoG)
Absolutely - there ya go!
Posted by: otho at May 21, 2017 08:27 PM (lmIoG)
Absolutely - there ya go!
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 21, 2017 08:31 PM (tHwdc)
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"you shouldn't keep a round in the chamber to avoid accidental discharge since it takes no time to chamber a round and is safer. Opinions? "
Safer, yes. Faster, no. People can't be shot by an unloaded gun.
My wife's brother was killed by his hunting buddy when his rifle went off while he was getting in the truck. There was no reason to have a round chambered in that situation.
Safer, yes. Faster, no. People can't be shot by an unloaded gun.
My wife's brother was killed by his hunting buddy when his rifle went off while he was getting in the truck. There was no reason to have a round chambered in that situation.
Posted by: freaked at May 21, 2017 08:32 PM (BO/km)
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I had a story related to me of a stripper taking a shooting class at an indoor range. A hot casing went down her top. She then promptly pulled the front of her top over her head to get it to fall out. She wasn't wearing a bra.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 21, 2017 08:32 PM (hVdx9)
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Weasel if you're still hanging around, I'm looking for an armorer in the Quantico area who is good with Garands. I have a small problem not worth sending back to CMP. I just don't want to risk screwing it up, and all the guys I knew at WT BN are long gone. Anybody you'd recommend?
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at May 21, 2017 08:32 PM (IJX6l)
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Well, fwiw, my only black rifle (from the 80's) is a semiauto version of what was then the XM117A2, predecessor of what became the M4; short barrel, telescoping stock, iron sights. This configuration has been good for everything that is within the ballistic envelope of the 5.56 round.
Beyond that I have Papa Eez's DCM 1903 Springfield. Looking for a nice Moisin - Nagant.
Handgunwise I still carry one of the S&W Chief's Specials that I have accumulated over the years, with various 1911's, a Taurus 1045, and a Smith 6906 for heavier use. One of the several North American or Freedom Arms .22 SA revolvers (the "Onion Field Special") is always present in the left sock or watch pocket.
OT Note: the recipe for Meatloaf / Meatballs a la Chateau D'Eez is willowed at #274 for those interested.
Beyond that I have Papa Eez's DCM 1903 Springfield. Looking for a nice Moisin - Nagant.
Handgunwise I still carry one of the S&W Chief's Specials that I have accumulated over the years, with various 1911's, a Taurus 1045, and a Smith 6906 for heavier use. One of the several North American or Freedom Arms .22 SA revolvers (the "Onion Field Special") is always present in the left sock or watch pocket.
OT Note: the recipe for Meatloaf / Meatballs a la Chateau D'Eez is willowed at #274 for those interested.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/7 at May 21, 2017 08:32 PM (KGH7Z)
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I really like Daniel Defense rifles. I have a V11 with a Vortex red dot. Very reliable and accurate.
Posted by: KORRGARTH at May 21, 2017 08:32 PM (vcohk)
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Yes I know Mark Twain said an unloaded gun is the most dangerous. That's why all guns should be treated as loaded unless confirmed otherwise.
Posted by: freaked at May 21, 2017 08:34 PM (BO/km)
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I keep my bedstand protection chambered.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 08:35 PM (ie8tB)
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157 Vanceone,
Start with a 22LR rifle. Investigate and then go to stores to handle various rifles. You don't need a gun safe. Teach yourself and any kids gun safety. Keep the gun out of sight and ammo some place secure until you can be confident your kids have been indoctrinated in gun safety.
And forget about a BB gun. Instead think about a Beeman 22 caliber pellet gun.... accurate and will take down squirrels and rabbits.
Posted by: colfax mingo at May 21, 2017 07:17 PM (FLjWH)
I second this. My friends teach their kids to shoot with a single shot .22.
The first gun my husband bought me was my ruger .22. I still love that gun.
Start with a 22LR rifle. Investigate and then go to stores to handle various rifles. You don't need a gun safe. Teach yourself and any kids gun safety. Keep the gun out of sight and ammo some place secure until you can be confident your kids have been indoctrinated in gun safety.
And forget about a BB gun. Instead think about a Beeman 22 caliber pellet gun.... accurate and will take down squirrels and rabbits.
Posted by: colfax mingo at May 21, 2017 07:17 PM (FLjWH)
I second this. My friends teach their kids to shoot with a single shot .22.
The first gun my husband bought me was my ruger .22. I still love that gun.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2017 08:36 PM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: freaked at May 21, 2017 08:36 PM (BO/km)
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288 I keep my bedstand protection chambered.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 08:35 PM (ie8tB)
You keep a condom out of the wrapper at all times?
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 08:35 PM (ie8tB)
You keep a condom out of the wrapper at all times?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 08:37 PM (ycWCI)
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My 11yr old girl spawn is taking an archery class. A few days ago she asked when she could get her first gun.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:37 PM (yTnCT)
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288 I keep my bedstand protection chambered.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 08:35 PM (ie8tB)
What about your firearm?
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 08:35 PM (ie8tB)
What about your firearm?
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:37 PM (0mRoj)
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Croak @ 238 - I love the Garand, but feeding it modern 30.06 ammo will eventually bend the operating rod. Gotta buy surplus M2 ball. I think Privi makes modern 30.06 that won't damage it.
Posted by: Butch at May 21, 2017 08:37 PM (hXu8T)
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293 288 I keep my bedstand protection chambered.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 08:35 PM (ie8tB)
What about your firearm?
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:37 PM (0mRoj)
That was better than mine. All subtle-like.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 08:35 PM (ie8tB)
What about your firearm?
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:37 PM (0mRoj)
That was better than mine. All subtle-like.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 08:38 PM (ycWCI)
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Mmmm. Maybe a high-necked capelet would be a good item for women on the range.
You know, in pink mossy-oak camo
You know, in pink mossy-oak camo
Posted by: Kindltot at May 21, 2017 08:39 PM (mkDpn)
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You keep a condom out of the wrapper at all times?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 08:37 PM (ycWCI)
What about your firearm?
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:37 PM (0mRoj)
I guess you will never find out.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 08:37 PM (ycWCI)
What about your firearm?
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 08:37 PM (0mRoj)
I guess you will never find out.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 08:39 PM (ie8tB)
Posted by: rickl at May 21, 2017 08:40 PM (sdi6R)
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I have come to a conclusion about Fortitude, season 2: These people are all borderline crazy. The cold just makes them cross the border.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 08:40 PM (ycWCI)
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I love the Garand, but feeding it modern 30.06 ammo will eventually bend
the operating rod. Gotta buy surplus M2 ball. I think Privi makes
modern 30.06 that won't damage it.
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or you can load your own ammo at M2 Ball specs.
not hard to do.
the operating rod. Gotta buy surplus M2 ball. I think Privi makes
modern 30.06 that won't damage it.
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or you can load your own ammo at M2 Ball specs.
not hard to do.
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 21, 2017 08:40 PM (i/VQi)
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Safer, yes. Faster, no. People can't be shot by an unloaded gun.
My wife's brother was killed by his hunting buddy when his rifle went off while he was getting in the truck. There was no reason to have a round chambered in that situation.
Posted by: freaked at May 21, 2017 08:32 PM (BO/km)
I'm sorry freaked, that's terrible. Similar to what happened to my friends boy. My friends aren't the same people and I'm sure they never will be. They have other children.
The mother was suicidal for a while.
Safer, yes. Faster, no. People can't be shot by an unloaded gun.
My wife's brother was killed by his hunting buddy when his rifle went off while he was getting in the truck. There was no reason to have a round chambered in that situation.
Posted by: freaked at May 21, 2017 08:32 PM (BO/km)
I'm sorry freaked, that's terrible. Similar to what happened to my friends boy. My friends aren't the same people and I'm sure they never will be. They have other children.
The mother was suicidal for a while.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2017 08:40 PM (Ri/rl)
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283: wow, sounds like friday night at a small town bar. or, some cinemax shit.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 21, 2017 08:40 PM (KP5rU)
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I guess you will never find out.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 08:39 PM (ie8tB)
Nice!
So you're saying you wouldn't shoot us?
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 08:39 PM (ie8tB)
Nice!
So you're saying you wouldn't shoot us?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 08:41 PM (ycWCI)
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If??? I had a gun for home protection I would keep a round chambered and the safety off,
since there is no one in the house but me
since there is no one in the house but me
Posted by: Ben Had at May 21, 2017 08:41 PM (r+MfR)
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We can't have scary Black rifles here in Australia unless we create a pest control contracting company. Then we need Federal Attorney-General permission to import it, and its likely to cost $5K for anything at all.
Even a 'modern' black pistol-grip stock on a scabby bolt rifle will draw the crabs.
A Ruger 10/22 or a pump shottie can be had (not both at once), but only if you own a farm and then you can't take it off your own farm.
My substitute is a Mauser C96 with holster stock, but while I have it as a collector I cant use it. So my recommended battery for the black rifle fan is 1) Lever action .22 like a 9422 2) .223 bolt or pump rifle; 3) A 9mm like a Glock or Tanfoglio - but you have to do 6 months at a club before they recommend you for a licence and there is no carry.
The .500/.450 double rifle however is quite satisfactory for a huge grin generator.
Even a 'modern' black pistol-grip stock on a scabby bolt rifle will draw the crabs.
A Ruger 10/22 or a pump shottie can be had (not both at once), but only if you own a farm and then you can't take it off your own farm.
My substitute is a Mauser C96 with holster stock, but while I have it as a collector I cant use it. So my recommended battery for the black rifle fan is 1) Lever action .22 like a 9422 2) .223 bolt or pump rifle; 3) A 9mm like a Glock or Tanfoglio - but you have to do 6 months at a club before they recommend you for a licence and there is no carry.
The .500/.450 double rifle however is quite satisfactory for a huge grin generator.
Posted by: Chris at May 21, 2017 08:41 PM (PqsH0)
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224 I own precisely one pistol. It's a Bursa 380. That's it. I do have a very sharp knife though. And a shillaleagh.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench)
The Bersa Thunder .380 I mentioned above is primarily my wife's. She's a stone cold shot and that gun goes perfect in her purse.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench)
The Bersa Thunder .380 I mentioned above is primarily my wife's. She's a stone cold shot and that gun goes perfect in her purse.
Posted by: Tantumblogo at May 21, 2017 08:41 PM (HFBqz)
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Sig 522. Uses .22 LR to learn to shoot inexpensively. It's a lot of fun to go through 10 magazines each range trip. And more money for my wife's retail therapy.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 21, 2017 08:42 PM (u82oZ)
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Nice!
So you're saying you wouldn't shoot us?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 08:41 PM (ycWCI)
It depends if you knock or break in.
So you're saying you wouldn't shoot us?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 08:41 PM (ycWCI)
It depends if you knock or break in.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 08:42 PM (ie8tB)
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consider every gun loaded. period. no such thing as an empty gun. ever.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 21, 2017 08:42 PM (KP5rU)
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"that's terrible."
Yes. It was a long time ago, long before we met even. Our first son was named after him.
Yes. It was a long time ago, long before we met even. Our first son was named after him.
Posted by: freaked at May 21, 2017 08:43 PM (BO/km)
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@308. Can we stand outside and serenade you?
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:43 PM (yTnCT)
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302 283: wow, sounds like friday night at a small town bar. or, some cinemax shit.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 21, 2017 08:40 PM (KP5rU)
Bean Snappers
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 21, 2017 08:40 PM (KP5rU)
Bean Snappers
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 21, 2017 08:44 PM (ZTRlp)
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311 @308. Can we stand outside and serenade you?
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:43 PM (yTnCT)
I can do a mean Suspicious Minds with enough alcohol.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:43 PM (yTnCT)
I can do a mean Suspicious Minds with enough alcohol.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 08:45 PM (ycWCI)
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The .500/.450 double rifle however is quite satisfactory for a huge grin generator.
Posted by: Chris at May 21, 2017 08:41 PM (PqsH0)
I bet that leaves a mark.
Posted by: Chris at May 21, 2017 08:41 PM (PqsH0)
I bet that leaves a mark.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 21, 2017 08:45 PM (ZTRlp)
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311
@308. Can we stand outside and serenade you?
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:43 PM (yTnCT)
Hell no. Come in for a drink!
@308. Can we stand outside and serenade you?
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:43 PM (yTnCT)
Hell no. Come in for a drink!
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 08:45 PM (ie8tB)
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314 The .500/.450 double rifle however is quite satisfactory for a huge grin generator.
Posted by: Chris at May 21, 2017 08:41 PM (PqsH0)
I bet that leaves a mark.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 21, 2017 08:45 PM (ZTRlp)
Probably has a bit of a kick.
Posted by: Chris at May 21, 2017 08:41 PM (PqsH0)
I bet that leaves a mark.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 21, 2017 08:45 PM (ZTRlp)
Probably has a bit of a kick.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 08:46 PM (ycWCI)
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If??? I had a gun for home protection I would keep a round chambered and the safety off,
since there is no one in the house but me
You must keep your firearm unloaded and locked in a safe in the basement.
If??? I had a gun for home protection I would keep a round chambered and the safety off,
since there is no one in the house but me
You must keep your firearm unloaded and locked in a safe in the basement.
Posted by: Public Service Announcement at May 21, 2017 08:46 PM (IqV8l)
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With enough alcohol I can try to sing anything. Can promise it will be on key or recognizable but I can try!
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:47 PM (yTnCT)
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312: dude, whoa! i know the owner, he has his own helicopter. can't drive a car and has to hire a pilot to fly his ass around. dude is certifiable.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 21, 2017 08:48 PM (KP5rU)
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Can't promise... stupid tablet.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:48 PM (yTnCT)
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i was state champ with the M-60 3 years running in the early 80's... even went to the National Match in Arkansas one year...
the Pig was stone bitch to hump, fun as hell to fire, and, with judicious tuning/modifications, could be damn accurate as well. first time i shot competition, it was 1 target, the shoulder and head only silhouette, with the X, 5, 4, 3 rings, and you got 20 rounds.
at Camp Robinson, the top teams all had the trigger squeeze down to where they were effectively firing a semi-auto rifle, and the placing was decided by who had the most Xs (we shot 600, 500, 400, 300, IIRC) they were that good, but the competition was worth fuck all in assessing real world employment skills.
the Pig was stone bitch to hump, fun as hell to fire, and, with judicious tuning/modifications, could be damn accurate as well. first time i shot competition, it was 1 target, the shoulder and head only silhouette, with the X, 5, 4, 3 rings, and you got 20 rounds.
at Camp Robinson, the top teams all had the trigger squeeze down to where they were effectively firing a semi-auto rifle, and the placing was decided by who had the most Xs (we shot 600, 500, 400, 300, IIRC) they were that good, but the competition was worth fuck all in assessing real world employment skills.
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 21, 2017 08:48 PM (i/VQi)
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Croak @ 238 - I love the Garand, but feeding it
modern 30.06 ammo will eventually bend the operating rod. Gotta buy
surplus M2 ball. I think Privi makes modern 30.06 that won't damage it.
Posted by: Butch
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There are gas plugs for the Garand that will let you shoot moderen ammo. I plan to use one for my Garand, but try to keep the ammo specs close to the M2 ball.
modern 30.06 ammo will eventually bend the operating rod. Gotta buy
surplus M2 ball. I think Privi makes modern 30.06 that won't damage it.
Posted by: Butch
****
There are gas plugs for the Garand that will let you shoot moderen ammo. I plan to use one for my Garand, but try to keep the ammo specs close to the M2 ball.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 21, 2017 08:49 PM (hVdx9)
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310 "that's terrible."
Yes. It was a long time ago, long before we met even. Our first son was named after him.
Posted by: freaked at May 21, 2017 08:43 PM (BO/km)
What a nice way to honor his memory. Again, that's terrible.
I won't get in anyone's truck if they have the rifle with one in the chamber.
When I tell them what happened they understand but I come across bossy. I don't care.
That little boy dying the way he dead was shocking.
Yes. It was a long time ago, long before we met even. Our first son was named after him.
Posted by: freaked at May 21, 2017 08:43 PM (BO/km)
What a nice way to honor his memory. Again, that's terrible.
I won't get in anyone's truck if they have the rifle with one in the chamber.
When I tell them what happened they understand but I come across bossy. I don't care.
That little boy dying the way he dead was shocking.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2017 08:49 PM (Ri/rl)
324
as for which AR platform/builder/caliber to buy, the answer is "yes", as in buy all of them you can afford.
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 21, 2017 08:50 PM (i/VQi)
325
I love the Garand, but feeding it modern 30.06 ammo will eventually bend
the operating rod. Gotta buy surplus M2 ball. I think Privi makes
modern 30.06 that won't damage it.
---
or you can load your own ammo at M2 Ball specs.
not hard to do.
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 21, 2017 08:40 PM (i/VQi)
Yup....Federal American puts out 150 grain 30-O6 FMJ labeled "For M1-Garand " on the box.
Op rods ain't cheap.
the operating rod. Gotta buy surplus M2 ball. I think Privi makes
modern 30.06 that won't damage it.
---
or you can load your own ammo at M2 Ball specs.
not hard to do.
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 21, 2017 08:40 PM (i/VQi)
Yup....Federal American puts out 150 grain 30-O6 FMJ labeled "For M1-Garand " on the box.
Op rods ain't cheap.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 08:50 PM (5VlCp)
326
The Springfield Armory Saint AR is just a BCM with different branding.
Avoid 1:9 barrels if you are going to shoot heavy (anything over 62 grain) bullets.
My favorite is the 70 grain Barnes TSX.
Avoid 1:9 barrels if you are going to shoot heavy (anything over 62 grain) bullets.
My favorite is the 70 grain Barnes TSX.
Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at May 21, 2017 08:50 PM (Zeyrd)
327
TKAW @ 322 - Cool. Link readily available?
Posted by: Butch at May 21, 2017 08:51 PM (hXu8T)
328
Dear Public Service Announcement
Unless you are going to stand at my door all night, every night. Bite Me.
Unless you are going to stand at my door all night, every night. Bite Me.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 21, 2017 08:51 PM (r+MfR)
329
Judge Piro saying Trump gave a great speech in Saudi Arabia.
I know she's a yuge fan so I'm curious to hear how it really was.
I know she's a yuge fan so I'm curious to hear how it really was.
Posted by: logprof at May 21, 2017 08:52 PM (GsAUU)
330
205
Here is an AR-15 parts kit for $299. If you can get an Anderson reciver
for $50-$60 you are into a decent AR-15 for an insanely low price.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 21, 2017 07:49 PM (hVdx9)
Ha. You just reminded me that I had bought a couple of those to sell after the election, and it's worth every penny of the $200 or so dollars profit I would've made on each of them. And if you had told me the only way to beat Hillary was to buy five kits and "lose" $1000 (yes, I know I'm not losing, I'm just not making), I would've done it, too. I can't think of any other time I've been so happy that an investment was stagnant.
Here is an AR-15 parts kit for $299. If you can get an Anderson reciver
for $50-$60 you are into a decent AR-15 for an insanely low price.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 21, 2017 07:49 PM (hVdx9)
Ha. You just reminded me that I had bought a couple of those to sell after the election, and it's worth every penny of the $200 or so dollars profit I would've made on each of them. And if you had told me the only way to beat Hillary was to buy five kits and "lose" $1000 (yes, I know I'm not losing, I'm just not making), I would've done it, too. I can't think of any other time I've been so happy that an investment was stagnant.
Posted by: Chigger Fleas at May 21, 2017 08:52 PM (fD1ST)
331
320 Can't promise... stupid tablet.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:48 PM (yTnCT)
I'm using my iPad. Is yours not posting comments?
320 Can't promise... stupid tablet.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:48 PM (yTnCT)
I'm using my iPad. Is yours not posting comments?
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2017 08:52 PM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 21, 2017 08:53 PM (i/VQi)
333
Oooo, I do like the "Drive them out of this earth!" line.
Posted by: logprof at May 21, 2017 08:53 PM (GsAUU)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 21, 2017 08:53 PM (hVdx9)
335
"...his rifle went off while he was getting in the truck. "
Posted by: freaked at May 21, 2017 08:32 PM (BO/km)
I'm sorry that this sounds dickish, but his rifle didn't "go off." somebody pulled the trigger.
All guns are always loaded.
Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
Identify your target, and what is behind it.
Posted by: freaked at May 21, 2017 08:32 PM (BO/km)
I'm sorry that this sounds dickish, but his rifle didn't "go off." somebody pulled the trigger.
All guns are always loaded.
Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
Identify your target, and what is behind it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2017 08:54 PM (rF0hx)
336
Okay, already he sounds way better that King Baraka's Cairo speech.
Posted by: logprof at May 21, 2017 08:54 PM (GsAUU)
337
Caligirl.. this tablet is so jacked up. It's a couple of years old and just gets worse every damn day. This is why I haven't been around the HQ much lately.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:54 PM (yTnCT)
338
very OT:
Everything is explained by Star Trek.
This time, why feminists submit to Islam.
They just ran the original episode, Space Seed with Kahn. Ricardo Montalban as a brutal dictator who entrances the female historian working with him.
It is his brutality, his magnetism and his alpha male status that makes her choose him.
In this era of pajama boys playing video games, Islam is the Kahn alternative for liberals. Brutal and alpha. Although feminists say they despise that, I think that biologically women are programmed to submit to alpha males -- men who give their offspring the best chance of survival. In our soft, liberal world, Islam is that alternative. At least to liberal women.
/not disparaging Western men, just trying to show how things might be working on the LIBERAL side of the biological aisle.
Everything is explained by Star Trek.
This time, why feminists submit to Islam.
They just ran the original episode, Space Seed with Kahn. Ricardo Montalban as a brutal dictator who entrances the female historian working with him.
It is his brutality, his magnetism and his alpha male status that makes her choose him.
In this era of pajama boys playing video games, Islam is the Kahn alternative for liberals. Brutal and alpha. Although feminists say they despise that, I think that biologically women are programmed to submit to alpha males -- men who give their offspring the best chance of survival. In our soft, liberal world, Islam is that alternative. At least to liberal women.
/not disparaging Western men, just trying to show how things might be working on the LIBERAL side of the biological aisle.
Posted by: shibumi at May 21, 2017 08:55 PM (BPeNq)
339
G'nite Horde. 4:30 am comes early.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 08:55 PM (ie8tB)
340
Judge Piro saying Trump gave a great speech in Saudi Arabia.
I know she's a yuge fan so I'm curious to hear how it really was.
Posted by: logprof at May 21, 2017 08:52 PM (GsAUU)
***************************
It was tremendous it was Yuuuuuuuuuuge.
Full text: http://preview.tinyurl.com/k6nrpfb
I know she's a yuge fan so I'm curious to hear how it really was.
Posted by: logprof at May 21, 2017 08:52 PM (GsAUU)
***************************
It was tremendous it was Yuuuuuuuuuuge.
Full text: http://preview.tinyurl.com/k6nrpfb
Posted by: gNewt at May 21, 2017 08:56 PM (Bc1aB)
341
I know she's a yuge fan so I'm curious to hear how it really was.
Posted by: logprof at May 21, 2017 08:52 PM (GsAUU)
Daniel Pipes says it was "pretty good."
http://www.danielpipes.org/17603/trump-saudi-speech-pretty-good
Posted by: logprof at May 21, 2017 08:52 PM (GsAUU)
Daniel Pipes says it was "pretty good."
http://www.danielpipes.org/17603/trump-saudi-speech-pretty-good
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2017 08:58 PM (rF0hx)
342
Speech was on FOX at work, but I was 'in charge' today so did not see it. Read bout it tomorrow.
Posted by: Eromero at May 21, 2017 08:58 PM (zLDYs)
343
Deploy the custard launcher!
Posted by: General Patriarch at May 21, 2017 08:59 PM (Tyii7)
344
Posted by: freaked at May 21, 2017 08:32 PM (BO/km)
I'm sorry that this sounds dickish, but his rifle didn't "go off." somebody pulled the trigger.
All guns are always loaded.
Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
Identify your target, and what is behind it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2017 08:54 PM (rF0hx)
My friends that lost their boy to a gunshot in the truck, I don't know what happened but I know guns don't just fire from hitting a bump. I never asked, but I was curious how that could happen.
I'm sorry that this sounds dickish, but his rifle didn't "go off." somebody pulled the trigger.
All guns are always loaded.
Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
Identify your target, and what is behind it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2017 08:54 PM (rF0hx)
My friends that lost their boy to a gunshot in the truck, I don't know what happened but I know guns don't just fire from hitting a bump. I never asked, but I was curious how that could happen.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2017 09:00 PM (Ri/rl)
345
339 G'nite Horde. 4:30 am comes early.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 08:55 PM (ie8tB)
Goodnight Infidel, sweet dreams.
339 G'nite Horde. 4:30 am comes early.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 08:55 PM (ie8tB)
Goodnight Infidel, sweet dreams.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2017 09:01 PM (Ri/rl)
346
/not disparaging Western men, just trying to show how things might be working on the LIBERAL side of the biological aisle.
Posted by: shibumi at May 21, 2017 08:55 PM (BPeNq)
--That is correct, and not only regarding Islamism's appeal to libtard chicks, but also to *men*. Any wonder why Islam's going ganbusters among prisoners? At the beginning it promises badass on a personal and spiritual level, with the promise of future *wink* opportunities to be badass overtly and physically, whether wife-beating or bullying or blowing stuff up.
Posted by: shibumi at May 21, 2017 08:55 PM (BPeNq)
--That is correct, and not only regarding Islamism's appeal to libtard chicks, but also to *men*. Any wonder why Islam's going ganbusters among prisoners? At the beginning it promises badass on a personal and spiritual level, with the promise of future *wink* opportunities to be badass overtly and physically, whether wife-beating or bullying or blowing stuff up.
Posted by: logprof at May 21, 2017 09:01 PM (GsAUU)
347
CBD@335:
Ab-so-lute-ly.
I no longer have the bookcase with the hole in it from "dry-firing" an "empty" revolver. Too bad.
Upside, I got the old-time religion about chamber safety. Up till that point I had only mouthed empty words.
Ab-so-lute-ly.
I no longer have the bookcase with the hole in it from "dry-firing" an "empty" revolver. Too bad.
Upside, I got the old-time religion about chamber safety. Up till that point I had only mouthed empty words.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/7 at May 21, 2017 09:03 PM (KGH7Z)
348
'Night, Infidel.
Posted by: logprof at May 21, 2017 09:03 PM (GsAUU)
349
337 Caligirl.. this tablet is so jacked up. It's a couple of years old and just gets worse every damn day. This is why I haven't been around the HQ much lately.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:54 PM (yTnCT)
Im sorry, I hope you can fix it.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:54 PM (yTnCT)
Im sorry, I hope you can fix it.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2017 09:04 PM (Ri/rl)
350
337 Caligirl.. this tablet is so jacked up. It's a couple of years old and just gets worse every damn day. This is why I haven't been around the HQ much lately.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:54 PM (yTnCT)
If you have a spare $50 you can get a brand new Kindle
Fire tablet.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 21, 2017 08:54 PM (yTnCT)
If you have a spare $50 you can get a brand new Kindle
Fire tablet.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 09:06 PM (0mRoj)
351
Roger Kimball wrote about the speech at PJM. He called it "manly":
https://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2017/05/21/
trumps-leads-from-in-front/
I didn't watch it, even though I was reading the Trump Speech thread this morning. I was trying to work up the motivation to get off my ass and go mow the lawn. I did, eventually.
https://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2017/05/21/
trumps-leads-from-in-front/
I didn't watch it, even though I was reading the Trump Speech thread this morning. I was trying to work up the motivation to get off my ass and go mow the lawn. I did, eventually.
Posted by: rickl at May 21, 2017 09:06 PM (sdi6R)
352
@277 I'm a big SKS fan. I have 13 of em. ALbanias, a RUssian, A ROmanian, Lottsa Chinese and Yugoslavians. No FTF, or stovepipes in any of em.
One of the CHINESE is milled to take an AK magazine. Its a Model M Norinco. Thats my favorite. I like it better than my AK clones.
I'm still looking for a model D (the other Norinco SKS that takes AK mags).
My dream is to find a Nork or NVA SKS bringback for cheap at a yard sale one day. A person can dream can't he?
One of the CHINESE is milled to take an AK magazine. Its a Model M Norinco. Thats my favorite. I like it better than my AK clones.
I'm still looking for a model D (the other Norinco SKS that takes AK mags).
My dream is to find a Nork or NVA SKS bringback for cheap at a yard sale one day. A person can dream can't he?
Posted by: The Walking Dude at May 21, 2017 09:07 PM (ARzf8)
353
I love my Ruger AR556. Great weapon at a good price.
Posted by: SaltyDonnie at May 21, 2017 09:07 PM (nWmg2)
354
344: caligirl, nobody knows. if you weren't there, you don't know. terrible thing. sorry for your friend, had to be hell. i had a gun once, pulled the trigger once, it kept shooting until it was empty. with my finger outside the trigger guard. guns are not infallible. scared the hell out of me. brand new gun, so it was not a neglect issue. weird.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 21, 2017 09:08 PM (KP5rU)
355
G'night, Infidel.
I still wake up around that time even though I'm years from getting up for work ....
shibumi, fwiw I think you're spot-on. It works at the brainstem level, higher functions not involved.
I still wake up around that time even though I'm years from getting up for work ....
shibumi, fwiw I think you're spot-on. It works at the brainstem level, higher functions not involved.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/7 at May 21, 2017 09:08 PM (KGH7Z)
356
I'm sorry that this sounds dickish, but his rifle didn't "go off." somebody pulled the trigger.
No doubt but I wasn't there. Regardless of how it happened the outcome was the same.
No doubt but I wasn't there. Regardless of how it happened the outcome was the same.
Posted by: freaked at May 21, 2017 09:09 PM (BO/km)
357
LogProf @ 346- prisoner converts.
Exactly. The prison islam 'justifies' all the hate whitey already there in the brain for most. And for most they know the 'religion' part is total bullshit.
Exactly. The prison islam 'justifies' all the hate whitey already there in the brain for most. And for most they know the 'religion' part is total bullshit.
Posted by: Eromero at May 21, 2017 09:11 PM (zLDYs)
358
If??? I had a gun for home protection I would keep a round chambered and the safety off,
since there is no one in the house but me
****
No bullet in the chamber, but beside my bed is a SIG Mosquito with 2 loaded clips (in the case not in the gun). Open the case, insert clip, cock.....go time
since there is no one in the house but me
****
No bullet in the chamber, but beside my bed is a SIG Mosquito with 2 loaded clips (in the case not in the gun). Open the case, insert clip, cock.....go time
Posted by: Lemmiwinks and his flaming boner of winning at May 21, 2017 09:11 PM (18h+i)
359
@277 I'm a big SKS fan. I have 13 of em. ALbanias, a
RUssian, A ROmanian, Lottsa Chinese and Yugoslavians. No FTF, or
stovepipes in any of em.
One of the CHINESE is milled to take an AK magazine. Its a Model M
Norinco. Thats my favorite. I like it better than my AK clones.
I'm still looking for a model D (the other Norinco SKS that takes AK mags).
My dream is to find a Nork or NVA SKS bringback for cheap at a yard sale one day. A person can dream can't he?
Posted by: The Walking Dude
****
The "model D" is the paratrooper version, right?
RUssian, A ROmanian, Lottsa Chinese and Yugoslavians. No FTF, or
stovepipes in any of em.
One of the CHINESE is milled to take an AK magazine. Its a Model M
Norinco. Thats my favorite. I like it better than my AK clones.
I'm still looking for a model D (the other Norinco SKS that takes AK mags).
My dream is to find a Nork or NVA SKS bringback for cheap at a yard sale one day. A person can dream can't he?
Posted by: The Walking Dude
****
The "model D" is the paratrooper version, right?
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 21, 2017 09:12 PM (hVdx9)
360
Check out Franklin Armory's binary trigger system on one of their AR's. Round goes bang when you pull AND release the trigger.
You can just buy the lower all set to go or just the trigger system also. Pricey but looks like a blast.
Legal too.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 05:57 PM (5VlCp)
What if you want to fire only one round?
You can just buy the lower all set to go or just the trigger system also. Pricey but looks like a blast.
Legal too.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 05:57 PM (5VlCp)
What if you want to fire only one round?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 21, 2017 09:13 PM (0deF2)
361
354 344: caligirl, nobody knows. if you weren't there, you don't know. terrible thing. sorry for your friend, had to be hell. i had a gun once, pulled the trigger once, it kept shooting until it was empty. with my finger outside the trigger guard. guns are not infallible. scared the hell out of me. brand new gun, so it was not a neglect issue. weird.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 21, 2017 09:08 PM (KP5rU)
We live in California, there was an investigation and no charges were filed. It was a freak accident as far as I know.
Then for the dad to be paralyzed from a freak rodeo accident is just shocking. I'm sure he thinks God is paying him back.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 21, 2017 09:08 PM (KP5rU)
We live in California, there was an investigation and no charges were filed. It was a freak accident as far as I know.
Then for the dad to be paralyzed from a freak rodeo accident is just shocking. I'm sure he thinks God is paying him back.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2017 09:14 PM (Ri/rl)
362
No bullet in the chamber, but beside my bed is a SIG Mosquito with 2 loaded clips (in the case not in the gun). Open the case, insert clip, cock.....go time
Posted by: Lemmiwinks and his flaming boner of winning at May 21, 2017 09:11 PM (18h+i)
I do the same thing with a 9mm and I also have a revolver with the cylinder open.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks and his flaming boner of winning at May 21, 2017 09:11 PM (18h+i)
I do the same thing with a 9mm and I also have a revolver with the cylinder open.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2017 09:18 PM (Ri/rl)
363
One of the CHINESE is milled to take an AK magazine.
I have a Model D just for the odd of it. I use Yugo mags for the BHO.
I think that I like the AK pattern better in x39, though my M59/66 is surprisingly consistent at 300 and in.
I have a Model D just for the odd of it. I use Yugo mags for the BHO.
I think that I like the AK pattern better in x39, though my M59/66 is surprisingly consistent at 300 and in.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 21, 2017 09:19 PM (LTHVh)
364
What if you want to fire only one round?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
The selector switch, gives you one bang option. Buddy has one. Worth $400 if you have an extra AR laying around that's not super accurate or throwing a pricey round
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
The selector switch, gives you one bang option. Buddy has one. Worth $400 if you have an extra AR laying around that's not super accurate or throwing a pricey round
Posted by: Jean at May 21, 2017 09:22 PM (9TU00)
365
Earlier somebody was asking if there was going to be another AoS postal match. I propose that the next match be shot and scored like the first one except that the match coordinator gets to assign a "Moron factor" to each score based on the inappropriateness of the gun used. So for example a G17 might have a factor of 1.0 and a S-and-W (not ready to try my luck with that ampersand code stuff yet) M41 would have a factor of 0.4. An Encore in .308 would be, oh I dunno, like a 3.5. Feel free to add others.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 21, 2017 09:24 PM (7oUUT)
366
Bob the B
Well, I want the exact same match, no mods:
I shot the 1 7/8 inch Smith .38 I usually carry, and scored next-to-last (only because someone shot a pellet gun). This time around I want to use the 4" target-sighted Smith and use the whole 30 minutes ....
Well, I want the exact same match, no mods:
I shot the 1 7/8 inch Smith .38 I usually carry, and scored next-to-last (only because someone shot a pellet gun). This time around I want to use the 4" target-sighted Smith and use the whole 30 minutes ....
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/7 at May 21, 2017 09:34 PM (KGH7Z)
367
And there's much to be said for the light weight and, modularity of the platform, as well as 30+ round magazines vs 8 round clips, and huge stockpiles of 5.56/.223 to be found nearly everywhere, which might be handy when the zombies come.
Posted by: Croak
------------
Also worth noting that 5.56 ammo weighs roughly half that of .30-06 M2 ammo.
Posted by: Croak
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Also worth noting that 5.56 ammo weighs roughly half that of .30-06 M2 ammo.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2017 09:37 PM (ZO497)
368
Nood, btw.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 09:43 PM (ycWCI)
369
Oh, by the way....
CZ>Sig>Glock
*sticks out tongue*
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 21, 2017 08:00 PM
Let's get this right as we wrap up the thread ...
H&K>CZ>Sig>Glock
CZ>Sig>Glock
*sticks out tongue*
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 21, 2017 08:00 PM
Let's get this right as we wrap up the thread ...
H&K>CZ>Sig>Glock
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 21, 2017 09:43 PM (DMUuz)
370
See if you can spot the non sequitur:
(Aug.) NBC4: "There had been a struggle. His hands were bruised, his knees are bruised, his face is bruised, and yet he had two shots to his back, and yet they never took anything." ...
Hillary Clinton spoke about Rich on Tuesday morning, amid remarks in New Hamphire on gun violence.
"Just this past Sunday, a young man, Seth Rich -- who worked for the Democratic National Committee, to expand voting rights -- was shot and killed in his neighborhood in Washington. He was just 27 years old," she said. "Surely we can agree that weapons of war have no place on the streets of America."
Did you spot it?
She said "weapons of war" as in "assault rifle". That's a nice touch trying to blame the NRA...but the police never said what kind of gun was used.
It would be very interesting if it was a rifle, no?
Message: "I care. No, I mean I really, really care. About secrecy."
btw Zero Hedge has the latest on Kim Dotcom's claims about Rich and himself supplying WikiLeaks. He seems to have the contemporaneous tweets to back it up. And he claims Hillary personally signed the request to get him extradited to America on a separate beef. I bet she did.
(Aug.) NBC4: "There had been a struggle. His hands were bruised, his knees are bruised, his face is bruised, and yet he had two shots to his back, and yet they never took anything." ...
Hillary Clinton spoke about Rich on Tuesday morning, amid remarks in New Hamphire on gun violence.
"Just this past Sunday, a young man, Seth Rich -- who worked for the Democratic National Committee, to expand voting rights -- was shot and killed in his neighborhood in Washington. He was just 27 years old," she said. "Surely we can agree that weapons of war have no place on the streets of America."
Did you spot it?
She said "weapons of war" as in "assault rifle". That's a nice touch trying to blame the NRA...but the police never said what kind of gun was used.
It would be very interesting if it was a rifle, no?
Message: "I care. No, I mean I really, really care. About secrecy."
btw Zero Hedge has the latest on Kim Dotcom's claims about Rich and himself supplying WikiLeaks. He seems to have the contemporaneous tweets to back it up. And he claims Hillary personally signed the request to get him extradited to America on a separate beef. I bet she did.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at May 21, 2017 09:44 PM (Ndje9)
371
I wouldn't say #8 in that video is a genius, but a lot of people think the biggest problem was a <a href="http://weaponsman.com/?p=16642">Serpa Holder Malfunction</a>.
Posted by: Lawrence Person at May 21, 2017 09:46 PM (zPalU)
372
There are some people on here recommending Rock River Arms for an AR.
I wouldn't piss on those people of they were on fire.
I guess you guys haven't heard -- but Rock River and Springfield Armory were caught red-handed: They'd formed some sort of lobbying group, that poured money into anti-gun causes and candidates.
When caught, first they claimed that it wasn't them, it was this separate lobbying entity (of which the only board members were the CEOs of the two companies). When called out on their bullshit, they next fired the head guy at the lobbying group, and blamed him, saying they had no idea.
They supported some bill that would have levied a multi-thousand-dollar state tax on every company selling firearms in Illinois, except for them, because they got a special exemption.
I wouldn't piss on those people of they were on fire.
I guess you guys haven't heard -- but Rock River and Springfield Armory were caught red-handed: They'd formed some sort of lobbying group, that poured money into anti-gun causes and candidates.
When caught, first they claimed that it wasn't them, it was this separate lobbying entity (of which the only board members were the CEOs of the two companies). When called out on their bullshit, they next fired the head guy at the lobbying group, and blamed him, saying they had no idea.
They supported some bill that would have levied a multi-thousand-dollar state tax on every company selling firearms in Illinois, except for them, because they got a special exemption.
Posted by: Pastafarian at May 21, 2017 09:54 PM (sgHEm)
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Say, does anyone here know Misanthropic Humanitarian's email? I might drop him a link about that Rock River/Springfield Armory story. He might want to write about that in his next gun thread.
Posted by: Pastafarian at May 21, 2017 09:59 PM (sgHEm)
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373 Say, does anyone here know Misanthropic Humanitarian's email? I might drop him a link about that Rock River/Springfield Armory story. He might want to write about that in his next gun thread.
Posted by: Pastafarian at May 21, 2017 09:59 PM (sgHEm)
S/he usually posts their email in the pet thread on saturdays.
Posted by: Pastafarian at May 21, 2017 09:59 PM (sgHEm)
S/he usually posts their email in the pet thread on saturdays.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 10:04 PM (ycWCI)
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Oldest daughter Maegan the Virtuous, took a degree in Classic from UNC Chapel Hill. Cutting to the chase, she FINALLY met a young man. On their second date, he mentioned that he was carrying concealed, and did she mind. Now, M the V is a skirt-wearing, feminine Christian girl. She asked the young man if she could see the pistol. Reluctantly, he laid it on the table at the restaurant. What he didn't know was that this demure young lady was a Civil Air Patrol Spaatz cadet, had been through CAP Survival training, the USAF pistol course, and was a certified NRA youth shooting course. She ejected the magazine, racked the slide, and field-stripped the Beretta on the table cloth.
she then re-assembled the pistol, inerted the magazine, and handed it back to her date saying, "I can do that in the dark." She added, "9 mm is for girls. You need a .45. And if you're wondering, Their sons are named Robert E. Lee C+++++++ and Thomas Jonathan Jackson C+++++++. That would be Stonewall to you.
she then re-assembled the pistol, inerted the magazine, and handed it back to her date saying, "I can do that in the dark." She added, "9 mm is for girls. You need a .45. And if you're wondering, Their sons are named Robert E. Lee C+++++++ and Thomas Jonathan Jackson C+++++++. That would be Stonewall to you.
Posted by: Charles the Simple at May 21, 2017 10:05 PM (w7U7L)
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That was shooting coach.
Posted by: Charles the Simple at May 21, 2017 10:10 PM (w7U7L)
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Man up and build your own. If this guy can do it you can too.
One Handed Ar15 lower build.
https://youtu.be/7rpnnlQWUbs
There is another video at www.ar15.com of another one armed guy building his whole rifle from the pieces.
The way ar prices are you can build a budget AR for about $400. Or you can spend as much as $2,000.00 for a custom ar.
PS I have built 3 ar, 2 ar rifles and one ar pistol. I am currently stocking up on more parts for builds.
One Handed Ar15 lower build.
https://youtu.be/7rpnnlQWUbs
There is another video at www.ar15.com of another one armed guy building his whole rifle from the pieces.
The way ar prices are you can build a budget AR for about $400. Or you can spend as much as $2,000.00 for a custom ar.
PS I have built 3 ar, 2 ar rifles and one ar pistol. I am currently stocking up on more parts for builds.
Posted by: Thomas M. at May 21, 2017 10:34 PM (FcEdo)
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123 The grandkids were over this weekend and I was glad to see that my son-in-law had bought my four year old grandson a toy Bradley Fighting Vehicle and that grandson liked it.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
Outstanding! Time to get him started of fire commands.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
Outstanding! Time to get him started of fire commands.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at May 21, 2017 10:34 PM (di1hb)
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377 Man up and build your own. If this guy can do it you can too.
One Handed Ar15 lower build.
https://youtu.be/7rpnnlQWUbs
There is another video at www.ar15.com of another one armed guy building his whole rifle from the pieces.
The way ar prices are you can build a budget AR for about $400. Or you can spend as much as $2,000.00 for a custom ar.
PS I have built 3 ar, 2 ar rifles and one ar pistol. I am currently stocking up on more parts for builds.
Posted by: Thomas M.
I have a stripped upper "left over" from my build, so you know what that means.
I had ordered one, it was slow shipping, so I ordered another. Got it in 3 days. 2 days later, the first one ordered arrived.
One Handed Ar15 lower build.
https://youtu.be/7rpnnlQWUbs
There is another video at www.ar15.com of another one armed guy building his whole rifle from the pieces.
The way ar prices are you can build a budget AR for about $400. Or you can spend as much as $2,000.00 for a custom ar.
PS I have built 3 ar, 2 ar rifles and one ar pistol. I am currently stocking up on more parts for builds.
Posted by: Thomas M.
I have a stripped upper "left over" from my build, so you know what that means.
I had ordered one, it was slow shipping, so I ordered another. Got it in 3 days. 2 days later, the first one ordered arrived.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at May 21, 2017 10:37 PM (di1hb)
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291 I keep my bedside piece with an empty chamber since the time I woke up with gun and in hand and no idea what I was aiming at. Seemed the only thing that actually woke me from a sound sleep was the action and noise of working the slide.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 21, 2017 10:43 PM (3hIZX)
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380 291 I keep my bedside piece with an empty chamber since the time I woke up with gun and in hand and no idea what I was aiming at. Seemed the only thing that actually woke me from a sound sleep was the action and noise of working the slide.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe
This is a your mileage needs to vary. Depends on the individual's training and experience.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe
This is a your mileage needs to vary. Depends on the individual's training and experience.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at May 21, 2017 10:49 PM (di1hb)
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Franchi SPAS-12
Posted by: Sherpa_K2 at May 21, 2017 11:01 PM (TUhW5)
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155 Did Remington ever fix their trigger problem with bolt action?
Posted by: Torche le Burnier
Supposedly - yet still issues when really cold
Oh, by the way....
CZ>Sig>Glock
*sticks out tongue*
218 215. That depends - tell us, how much do you love Czech firearms in general, and CZ in particular?
CZ is SWEET
Posted by: Torche le Burnier
Supposedly - yet still issues when really cold
Oh, by the way....
CZ>Sig>Glock
*sticks out tongue*
218 215. That depends - tell us, how much do you love Czech firearms in general, and CZ in particular?
CZ is SWEET
Posted by: Rotor Self-Winding Yankee at May 21, 2017 11:06 PM (KEl6Y)
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I was in this pond shop in Flagstaff Az. several ago and they had a vintage Walther .32 cal PPK. I asked the owner what he thought of the gun and told me it was better than throwing a rock.
Posted by: Sherpa_K2 at May 21, 2017 11:07 PM (TUhW5)
Posted by: Sherpa_K2 at May 21, 2017 11:15 PM (TUhW5)
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My Marlin XT22 (new) is shooting great, and putting the same optic on it that is on my 300 Win Mag was a great decision; I have already fired the .22 enough to pick up on some mistakes I was making on the Win Mag. Hard to shoot a big bore gun enough to become truly proficient with it; cost, and the fact that at age 69 I only have so many big bore shots in a day before it has pounded me into submission.
Posted by: An Observation at May 21, 2017 11:18 PM (RvFYZ)
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Mission dictates gear selection. If your mission is, waste a box of 20 shooting at a pumpkin in the back yard, then many of the aforementioned recommendations will work out just fine.
Posted by: Guy, That at May 21, 2017 11:26 PM (2V/7T)
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I read on a gun site today, that there are more 5.56 chambered rifles in civilian hands than the US military owns.
Posted by: An Observation at May 21, 2017 11:29 PM (RvFYZ)
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I was just looking at the CDNN site, and they have some decent sale prices.
I mis-reported the RP9 price, it's $249.00. That's not a recommendation, just an observation. I leave it to others to comment on the other items.
http://tinyurl.com/lhyh7dj
I mis-reported the RP9 price, it's $249.00. That's not a recommendation, just an observation. I leave it to others to comment on the other items.
http://tinyurl.com/lhyh7dj
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 22, 2017 12:01 AM (ZO497)
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If you have a bedside tool that is not chambered, you are a fool. If you have a semi=auto pistol that is not single action trigger pull you are a fool because imcroseconds count. Your f*%$(*g finger is the saftey. Cocked and locked with a swift downward flick of the thumb is the way to go. John Browning was not a fool, he was a demi-god.
Posted by: colfax mingo at May 22, 2017 01:01 AM (FLjWH)
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I guess you guys haven't heard -- but Rock River and Springfield Armory were caught red-handed: They'd formed some sort of lobbying group, that poured money into anti-gun causes and candidates.
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Well damn. Yeah, f*ck those two in particular. I don't care about the quality (and I own a RRA and two Springfield non-ARs), but if you're working against us I want to see you go under.
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Well damn. Yeah, f*ck those two in particular. I don't care about the quality (and I own a RRA and two Springfield non-ARs), but if you're working against us I want to see you go under.
Posted by: Chigger Fleas at May 22, 2017 05:04 AM (fD1ST)
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I am the uttermost newb. This thread is so rich I want to study it for a month. I implore you, permalink it in the sidebar!
I'm never going to excel at physical interactions with physical objects (I switched points from DEX to INT prebirth). I am in need of guidance of how to get from "newb" to "more dangerous to the target than to self", with an aspirational goal of "barely competent".
I now have hope for the future of our nation, and intend to survive or at least contribute to its (re)birth pangs. So, I am preparing for the rioting that will follow in 2019 the 2018 electoral defenestration of the RINOs.
You heard it here first. There may be some timings that no man knoweth, but that's not one of them.
So far I've been playing with a 4x scoped air rifle that I can practice with in the long diagonal of my living room; a HDPE cutting board halts and captures the pellets very nicely. My results are such that I know I'm doing multiple things wrong. I just don't know what they are.
I'm intending to buy a 22LR "works-like" handgun. I need to do the ten thousand reps on something, and I can afford it in .22. I probably need to get the 9mm version after a few bricks, and also train with that for recoil management.
The same plan applies to a long gun. I don't know if I'll ever have the skillz to worry about >300m, so I'm looking to transition from .22 to 5.56/multi, with thanks to this thread for the avoid .223 advice.
Is this plan sensible? What needs changed or added?
I'm never going to excel at physical interactions with physical objects (I switched points from DEX to INT prebirth). I am in need of guidance of how to get from "newb" to "more dangerous to the target than to self", with an aspirational goal of "barely competent".
I now have hope for the future of our nation, and intend to survive or at least contribute to its (re)birth pangs. So, I am preparing for the rioting that will follow in 2019 the 2018 electoral defenestration of the RINOs.
You heard it here first. There may be some timings that no man knoweth, but that's not one of them.
So far I've been playing with a 4x scoped air rifle that I can practice with in the long diagonal of my living room; a HDPE cutting board halts and captures the pellets very nicely. My results are such that I know I'm doing multiple things wrong. I just don't know what they are.
I'm intending to buy a 22LR "works-like" handgun. I need to do the ten thousand reps on something, and I can afford it in .22. I probably need to get the 9mm version after a few bricks, and also train with that for recoil management.
The same plan applies to a long gun. I don't know if I'll ever have the skillz to worry about >300m, so I'm looking to transition from .22 to 5.56/multi, with thanks to this thread for the avoid .223 advice.
Is this plan sensible? What needs changed or added?
Posted by: Byzantine_General at May 22, 2017 08:09 AM (Z5vgj)
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I am the uttermost newb. This thread is so rich I want to study it for a month. I implore you, permalink it in the sidebar!
I'm never going to excel at physical interactions with physical objects (I switched points from DEX to INT prebirth). I am in need of guidance of how to get from "newb" to "more dangerous to the target than to self", with an aspirational goal of "barely competent".
I now have hope for the future of our nation, and intend to survive or at least contribute to its (re)birth pangs. So, I am preparing for the rioting that will follow in 2019 the 2018 electoral defenestration of the RINOs.
You heard it here first. There may be some timings that no man knoweth, but that's not one of them.
So far I've been playing with a 4x scoped air rifle that I can practice with in the long diagonal of my living room; a HDPE cutting board halts and captures the pellets very nicely. My results are such that I know I'm doing multiple things wrong. I just don't know what they are.
I'm intending to buy a 22LR "works-like" handgun. I need to do the ten thousand reps on something, and I can afford it in .22. I probably need to get the 9mm version after a few bricks, and also train with that for recoil management.
The same plan applies to a long gun. I don't know if I'll ever have the skillz to worry about >300m, so I'm looking to transition from .22 to 5.56/multi, with thanks to this thread for the avoid .223 advice.
Is this plan sensible? What needs changed or added?
You sound under 18. Join Boy Scouts
I'm never going to excel at physical interactions with physical objects (I switched points from DEX to INT prebirth). I am in need of guidance of how to get from "newb" to "more dangerous to the target than to self", with an aspirational goal of "barely competent".
I now have hope for the future of our nation, and intend to survive or at least contribute to its (re)birth pangs. So, I am preparing for the rioting that will follow in 2019 the 2018 electoral defenestration of the RINOs.
You heard it here first. There may be some timings that no man knoweth, but that's not one of them.
So far I've been playing with a 4x scoped air rifle that I can practice with in the long diagonal of my living room; a HDPE cutting board halts and captures the pellets very nicely. My results are such that I know I'm doing multiple things wrong. I just don't know what they are.
I'm intending to buy a 22LR "works-like" handgun. I need to do the ten thousand reps on something, and I can afford it in .22. I probably need to get the 9mm version after a few bricks, and also train with that for recoil management.
The same plan applies to a long gun. I don't know if I'll ever have the skillz to worry about >300m, so I'm looking to transition from .22 to 5.56/multi, with thanks to this thread for the avoid .223 advice.
Is this plan sensible? What needs changed or added?
You sound under 18. Join Boy Scouts
Posted by: Rotor Self-Winding Yankee at May 22, 2017 08:25 AM (KEl6Y)
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Thank you for your kind suggestion. I was a Troop Leader 55 years ago, in another country.
Posted by: Byzantine_General at May 22, 2017 08:34 AM (Z5vgj)
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Briefly. I also dipped into CHA.
Posted by: Byzantine_General at May 22, 2017 08:35 AM (Z5vgj)
396
Noveske is the best gun manufacturer in the US; have an AR10/AR15 by them. However, I'd recommend two perfect starter guns that are easy on your ears.
First - Cadiz Gunworks makes a fully suppressed 12 gauge (suppressed down the length of the barrel). You get two tax stamps, one for SBR/2nd for suppressor. A standard load is subsonic so you end up with a very discrete room sweeper. Add in a folding stock if you must but I prefer to use the full length stock for better control. Platform is a Saiga 12 by the way.
Secondly - The Ruger 77/44 is an ideal suppressed rifle (John's Guns makes one that is suppressed the length of the barrel). Best utilization of a suppressed weapon is with subsonic ammo. If you use supersonic ammo it defeats the purpose of the suppressor. Subsonic rounds lose effectivity past 125 yards. Therefore you want the largest chunk of lead you can throw that distance. Ergo the Ruger 77/44 with a Leopold standard 6x scope. It would be ideal with a folding stock for easy transport but alas, neither Ruger nor the aftermarket accessory folks makes one. A standard stock can be reworked with a swivel or you can retrofit a Ruger 22 stock onto the 44 platform.
If you must have something else for variety, please consider a flamethrower. Good ones (and who wants a funky one!) run about 10k and do NOT require a tax stamp. Interesting loophole there.
First - Cadiz Gunworks makes a fully suppressed 12 gauge (suppressed down the length of the barrel). You get two tax stamps, one for SBR/2nd for suppressor. A standard load is subsonic so you end up with a very discrete room sweeper. Add in a folding stock if you must but I prefer to use the full length stock for better control. Platform is a Saiga 12 by the way.
Secondly - The Ruger 77/44 is an ideal suppressed rifle (John's Guns makes one that is suppressed the length of the barrel). Best utilization of a suppressed weapon is with subsonic ammo. If you use supersonic ammo it defeats the purpose of the suppressor. Subsonic rounds lose effectivity past 125 yards. Therefore you want the largest chunk of lead you can throw that distance. Ergo the Ruger 77/44 with a Leopold standard 6x scope. It would be ideal with a folding stock for easy transport but alas, neither Ruger nor the aftermarket accessory folks makes one. A standard stock can be reworked with a swivel or you can retrofit a Ruger 22 stock onto the 44 platform.
If you must have something else for variety, please consider a flamethrower. Good ones (and who wants a funky one!) run about 10k and do NOT require a tax stamp. Interesting loophole there.
Posted by: Vejadu at May 22, 2017 09:25 AM (6mo2L)
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Having gone through a purchase of a off the shelf AR and then subsequent custom builds after I have many lessons I've learned that I can share. Needs to be said, this is my opinion and I'm just a guy on the internet - so take it for what it's worth.
First, don't try to buy the perfect rifle, you can't. I say this in your situation especially, since you don't own one. You are not going to know what you prefer until you have many, many rounds downrange. Decide the distance you want to be proficient with. Any NFA compliant AR running 5.56mm ammo will get you out to man sized targets at 300M (farther really, but it is immediately deadly to there without much training) using iron sights. I didn't see you mention where you are located so I'll talk about IL where I am (local laws may effect your available build) there is only one range within a day trip that has over 250 yard range. My first build was a standard mid length 14.5 in barrel with a pinned flash suppressor. Pinning makes the flash suppressor part of the barrel length calculation making the rifle 16in and NFA compliant. I chose mid length gas as opposed to carbine length as there are benefits to a slightly longer gas tube. Buy a flat top and get Daniel Defense Flip sights, front and rear. Don't get the A2 front sight built into the gas block. better to run the hand-guard as far forward as possible and place the front sight there.
Wise man once told me that you should never have a barrel longer than you need. R.I.P. John Noveske.
Most important parts of the AR15 is the barrel and the trigger. As long as the rest of the rig is Mil-Spec this should always be the case. Remaining parts are fit to you. I didn't read all the comments but I did see something about getting a fancy pull trigger that fires at pull and release. Don't buy this. Get a quality single stage trigger, I recommend Geissele SSA-E, if that's pricey for you (I didn't see a budget) google ALG defense. I'd get a quality 16in Midlength rifle in 5.56mm from a reputable company. Doesn't have to be COLT, though they do still offer a quality AR. They are pricey for what you get. Don't get a SIG or a RUGER. Again for the $ you can get more for less. Reiner Arms, Palmetto State Armory, BCM, these are some online shopping options that give you looks at many different builds. I suggest you look through their online catalogs.
First, don't try to buy the perfect rifle, you can't. I say this in your situation especially, since you don't own one. You are not going to know what you prefer until you have many, many rounds downrange. Decide the distance you want to be proficient with. Any NFA compliant AR running 5.56mm ammo will get you out to man sized targets at 300M (farther really, but it is immediately deadly to there without much training) using iron sights. I didn't see you mention where you are located so I'll talk about IL where I am (local laws may effect your available build) there is only one range within a day trip that has over 250 yard range. My first build was a standard mid length 14.5 in barrel with a pinned flash suppressor. Pinning makes the flash suppressor part of the barrel length calculation making the rifle 16in and NFA compliant. I chose mid length gas as opposed to carbine length as there are benefits to a slightly longer gas tube. Buy a flat top and get Daniel Defense Flip sights, front and rear. Don't get the A2 front sight built into the gas block. better to run the hand-guard as far forward as possible and place the front sight there.
Wise man once told me that you should never have a barrel longer than you need. R.I.P. John Noveske.
Most important parts of the AR15 is the barrel and the trigger. As long as the rest of the rig is Mil-Spec this should always be the case. Remaining parts are fit to you. I didn't read all the comments but I did see something about getting a fancy pull trigger that fires at pull and release. Don't buy this. Get a quality single stage trigger, I recommend Geissele SSA-E, if that's pricey for you (I didn't see a budget) google ALG defense. I'd get a quality 16in Midlength rifle in 5.56mm from a reputable company. Doesn't have to be COLT, though they do still offer a quality AR. They are pricey for what you get. Don't get a SIG or a RUGER. Again for the $ you can get more for less. Reiner Arms, Palmetto State Armory, BCM, these are some online shopping options that give you looks at many different builds. I suggest you look through their online catalogs.
Posted by: Inogame at May 22, 2017 09:30 AM (ySZHT)
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I meant to say Troy, sights ^ I had Daniel Defense on my mind because I was going to talk about a build option then switched my note to buying something built already. DD has excellent build kits. My apologies.
Posted by: Inogame at May 22, 2017 09:33 AM (ySZHT)
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The same plan applies to a long gun. I don't know if I'll ever have the
skillz to worry about >300m, so I'm looking to transition from .22 to
5.56/multi, with thanks to this thread for the avoid .223 advice.
There are a number of YouTube sites with advice to new shooters on how to shoot a rifle correctly. Try going to YouTube and typing in "new shooter" in the search tab. You'll be surprised how fast you can progress.
skillz to worry about >300m, so I'm looking to transition from .22 to
5.56/multi, with thanks to this thread for the avoid .223 advice.
There are a number of YouTube sites with advice to new shooters on how to shoot a rifle correctly. Try going to YouTube and typing in "new shooter" in the search tab. You'll be surprised how fast you can progress.
Posted by: An Observation at May 22, 2017 09:36 AM (RvFYZ)
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Not that I would ever own such a scary thing, but Hi-Point manufactures a 9mm carbine that shoots great right out of the box. This brand has come a long way and has finally arrived at an inexpensive and yet well made weapon. The only drawbacks are 10 round mags and a need to put a little lock-tite on the front sight screws. Otherwise you can upscale it with just about anything you would want in a black scary gun and maintain uniformity of ammunition with the more popular handguns you also don't own.
Posted by: Todd Collier at May 22, 2017 09:53 AM (NBjCB)
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Just my 2 cents: Go with an AR style rifle by a solid company that's been around a long time like Ruger or Smith&Wesson. S&W makes a good (and affordable) AR variant called the MP15. Definitely go with the 5.56 to start as ammo is cheap and readily available and the recoil is negligible. put a affordable (about $60) muzzle break/flash hider on there to even further decrease recoil and it's barely more than a 22 rifle. Good for plinking and medium sized game depending on the bullet style chosen. I am satisfied with mine (1" MOA with match ammo).
Posted by: James Springer at May 22, 2017 11:19 AM (FdnKO)
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TNW Firearms makes the Aero Survival Rifle, way more flexable than any AR-15 platform. It can be chambered for 9mm, 40, 45, and they sell a kit so you may change it out yourself. They are working on other calibers. It is left handed friendly in that you can make left-eject. They also make a pistol with the same mechanism and flex.
Posted by: William Azdorff at May 22, 2017 12:37 PM (g2W+u)
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Shop around. The AR market is over produced and EVERYBODY is having sales. You should be able to find a good one under $500 or a "name" like Colt, Ruger, etc. for a little more. Unless you spend beeg bux, there is little difference. Get a flat top and put a red dot ($150 for a good one) sight on it.
Posted by: FiftycalTX at May 22, 2017 03:21 PM (Y5AQw)
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Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at May 21, 2017 08:32 PM (IJX6l)
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VanOwen - sorry I missed your Garand question last night. I don't know an armorer offhand but I might be able to come up with a name of someone at the WT BN, or you could call a gunsmith I've used (and generally trust) Sandy Garrett an NoVA Gun Works in Lorton. Google his listing - the shop doesn't really have a website. Also, Sandy isn't warm and fuzzy and huggable and he really doesn't want to stand around and talk, but he's fixed a few things for me and he's a hell of a pistol smith. Feel free to email me at mh22304 (gmail).
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VanOwen - sorry I missed your Garand question last night. I don't know an armorer offhand but I might be able to come up with a name of someone at the WT BN, or you could call a gunsmith I've used (and generally trust) Sandy Garrett an NoVA Gun Works in Lorton. Google his listing - the shop doesn't really have a website. Also, Sandy isn't warm and fuzzy and huggable and he really doesn't want to stand around and talk, but he's fixed a few things for me and he's a hell of a pistol smith. Feel free to email me at mh22304 (gmail).
Posted by: Weasel at May 22, 2017 04:32 PM (Sfs6o)
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Skip all this, go eastern bloc - an AK style 'sporter' for short range (7.62x39), and a Moist Nugget (Mosin-Nagant) for sniper duty (7.52x54R). The latter should set you back about one Benjamin, and you can use all that inexpensive 'steel-core ammo with a burdan primer from some east bloc nation that no longer needs 'em' (James McMurtry).
YMMV, and smile as you pass by...
YMMV, and smile as you pass by...
Posted by: anonymouse at May 22, 2017 05:52 PM (qSY+c)
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Weasel, thanks!
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at May 22, 2017 06:14 PM (IJX6l)
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John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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