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Talk About Confirming A Bias! Study Shows Journalists Are Dumb As Rocks
Journalists drink too much, are bad at managing emotions, and operate at a lower level than average, according to a new study and sure, it's a crap study, but I DON'T CARE! It confirms everything I think about journalists and journalism. I have never met a journalism major or a journalist whose intellect impressed me. The talking heads on TV are simply the logical extension of form over substance, but those who work behind the scenes are so obviously on the left of the curve too.
Journalists' brains show a lower-than-average level of executive functioning, according to a new study, which means they have a below-average ability to regulate their emotions, suppress biases, solve complex problems, switch between tasks, and show creative and flexible thinking.
Flexible thinking? Their lack of it is exactly how we got Trump.
Comments
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Heh. A few tomatoes short of a salad is what they are.
Posted by: IC at May 21, 2017 01:32 PM (1ihgj)
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Kind of a lame elbow picture, but I guess we'll take it.
Posted by: mikeski at May 21, 2017 01:33 PM (ml2c/)
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Dumb but evil.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 21, 2017 01:33 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 21, 2017 01:34 PM (u82oZ)
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All of the journalism students I knew were too stoopid to be English majors.
Posted by: fretless at May 21, 2017 01:35 PM (ZErNA)
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Not surprising--take a look at which students go to journalism school.
It's about one notch above education schools.
It's about one notch above education schools.
Posted by: phineas gage at May 21, 2017 01:37 PM (XsVWn)
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The local university keeps dropping core requirements for J-School. So Econ, Thermo, history and math are no longer needed to graduate.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 21, 2017 01:37 PM (u82oZ)
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This is about us, isn't it?
Posted by: kolumbia skuul o diGournoalism at May 21, 2017 01:38 PM (d76uN)
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Media journalists as a group are the worst.
A surprising number did not graduate high school
They are trained and paid to look good and read words.
It's not surprising they are easily swayed by leftist propaganda.
A surprising number did not graduate high school
They are trained and paid to look good and read words.
It's not surprising they are easily swayed by leftist propaganda.
Posted by: phineas gage at May 21, 2017 01:38 PM (XsVWn)
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J-schol grads live up to the Dunning-Kruger theory.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 21, 2017 01:38 PM (u82oZ)
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To be fair, you have to admit we can be quite creative.
Posted by: Brian Williams and Dan Rather at May 21, 2017 01:39 PM (DMUuz)
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Obviously a fake study since no douchebaggery quotient appears have been factored in.
Posted by: tu3031 at May 21, 2017 01:39 PM (qJhUV)
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And might I add, sports journalists are the worst of all.
They really are dumb as rocks, because they could not even make it as regular journalists.
They really are dumb as rocks, because they could not even make it as regular journalists.
Posted by: phineas gage at May 21, 2017 01:39 PM (XsVWn)
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What's weird is that the researcher *still* claims that newsies are resilient. Drunk, over-emotional and controlled by bias doesn't sound very resilient.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 21, 2017 01:40 PM (sEDyY)
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they could not even make it as regular journalists.
Posted by: phineas gage at May 21, 2017 01:39 PM (XsVWn)
Or jocks for that matter!
Posted by: phineas gage at May 21, 2017 01:39 PM (XsVWn)
Or jocks for that matter!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2017 01:41 PM (rF0hx)
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The late Peter Jennings is a good example, not to speak ill of the dead.
Basically a television media mimbo.
Basically a television media mimbo.
Posted by: phineas gage at May 21, 2017 01:41 PM (XsVWn)
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And Peter Jennings was the king of dumb.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 21, 2017 01:43 PM (mpXpK)
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Reality has a confirmation bias.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 21, 2017 01:43 PM (oVJmc)
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This study would have more credibility if it were leaked by anonymous White House officials.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 21, 2017 01:44 PM (oVJmc)
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A dumb kapo is a good kapo.
Posted by: Roy at May 21, 2017 01:44 PM (fWLrt)
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FCC, do your job.
Posted by: 80's music fan at May 21, 2017 01:45 PM (HCnEB)
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BB has the footage of CNN dummy Chris Cuomo arguing about the lack of evidence in the Russian saga:
http://tinyurl.com/nxopun2
Mind blowing stupid. Totally trying to prove a negative.
http://tinyurl.com/nxopun2
Mind blowing stupid. Totally trying to prove a negative.
Posted by: Tiawan_Joe at May 21, 2017 01:45 PM (sy8f2)
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Or jocks for that matter!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2017 01:41 PM
The ESPNers do do (and doo doo) a pretty fair job of jock-sniffing, though.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2017 01:41 PM
The ESPNers do do (and doo doo) a pretty fair job of jock-sniffing, though.
Posted by: Brian Williams and Dan Rather at May 21, 2017 01:47 PM (DMUuz)
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Like virtually all liberals, media drones have no grasp of basic economics, human psychology, history, or the scientific method.
They just put it on full display for everyone to see.
They just put it on full display for everyone to see.
Posted by: phineas gage at May 21, 2017 01:47 PM (XsVWn)
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22 BB has the footage of CNN dummy Chris Cuomo arguing about the lack of evidence in the Russian saga:
http://tinyurl.com/nxopun2
Mind blowing stupid. Totally trying to prove a negative.
Posted by: Tiawan_Joe at May 21, 2017 01:45 PM (sy8f2)
Innocent until proven guilty was revolutionary. Why? Because it is useful for the accused to prove their innocence rather than the other way around.
http://tinyurl.com/nxopun2
Mind blowing stupid. Totally trying to prove a negative.
Posted by: Tiawan_Joe at May 21, 2017 01:45 PM (sy8f2)
Innocent until proven guilty was revolutionary. Why? Because it is useful for the accused to prove their innocence rather than the other way around.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 01:48 PM (ycWCI)
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'jock-sniffing'
It is still run through the ideological filter, however,
See the much despised Tom Brady.
It is still run through the ideological filter, however,
See the much despised Tom Brady.
Posted by: phineas gage at May 21, 2017 01:48 PM (XsVWn)
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You know who has a "great" (ha ha ha!) journalism school? Mizzou, that's right! MIZ-
ZOU! "Can I get some muscle over here!?!" It's delightful watching that fine, fine institution tank. Enrollment is down almost 8%, they are laying off hundreds. And, the beautiful thing about that lower enrollment? It's a wave that rolls for four or more years.
Fuck them.
ZOU! "Can I get some muscle over here!?!" It's delightful watching that fine, fine institution tank. Enrollment is down almost 8%, they are laying off hundreds. And, the beautiful thing about that lower enrollment? It's a wave that rolls for four or more years.
Fuck them.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 01:49 PM (ty7RM)
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'Can I get some muscle over here'
I think she's at Gonzaga now.
Addition by subtraction at Mizzou.
I think she's at Gonzaga now.
Addition by subtraction at Mizzou.
Posted by: phineas gage at May 21, 2017 01:50 PM (XsVWn)
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Good heavens ... after reading the article and the high-level conclusions, I think I'm a journalist. *takes another drink*
Posted by: BetterThanSexCakeIsNot at May 21, 2017 01:50 PM (yMKzb)
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What did the study determine average cup size was for female reporters?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 01:51 PM (ty7RM)
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So Econ, Thermo, history and math are no longer needed to graduate.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 21, 2017 01:37 PM
A thermodynamics discussion with a journalist would be close to maximal entropy.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 21, 2017 01:37 PM
A thermodynamics discussion with a journalist would be close to maximal entropy.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 21, 2017 01:52 PM (DMUuz)
Posted by: Aviator at May 21, 2017 01:52 PM (/Nite)
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Not understanding why you call it a crap study. Seems pretty accurate to me.
Posted by: bretzysdude at May 21, 2017 01:53 PM (Sv+w8)
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30 What did the study determine average cup size was for female reporters?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 01:51 PM (ty7RM)
We need answers!
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 01:51 PM (ty7RM)
We need answers!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 01:53 PM (ycWCI)
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Just watched a replay of the Chris Wallace interview with Rex Tillerson this morning while Tillerson is in Saudi Arabia. Wallace thinks he's a hard-hitting journalist asking the tough questions when in reality it's questions sound more like questions one would ask a celebrity on TMZ. Always with an accusatory tone and trying to have Tillerson admit Trump really did say Muslims were terrible why should the Muslims believe him now blah blah blah blah. It was much more informative to listen to the Saudi journalist talk about the meeting the past few days and discuss what was discussed and what is moving forward from these meetings. Wallace instead told Tillerson that all the ambassadors he's meeting with Wallace are expressing "so much worry " over this " investigation " of Trump.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 21, 2017 01:53 PM (62eBc)
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A thermodynamics discussion with a journalist would be close to maximal entropy.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
Pfffft. It would be like trying to explain quantum mechanics to a duck.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
Pfffft. It would be like trying to explain quantum mechanics to a duck.
Posted by: pep at May 21, 2017 01:54 PM (LAe3v)
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Seems like a dangerous admission at the moment, but I *was* a journalism student, for a time. The problem was that the teachers, mostly, and the students were largely hostile to anyone who didn't have the right list of opinions or who questioned the impartiality or competence of the MFM.
If I were then who I am now, it might have been more practical to fight that, but I don't know that I would call it "fun," especially without a job or anything.
IIRC even then, there was a lack of detail presented on the actual grunt work of journalism and too much on a sort of hazy feelgoodism about journalism.
My experience is more that the field drives out critical thinking as much or more than it encourages the dumb and lay.
If I were then who I am now, it might have been more practical to fight that, but I don't know that I would call it "fun," especially without a job or anything.
IIRC even then, there was a lack of detail presented on the actual grunt work of journalism and too much on a sort of hazy feelgoodism about journalism.
My experience is more that the field drives out critical thinking as much or more than it encourages the dumb and lay.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 01:56 PM (wB8Tg)
Posted by: The Duck at May 21, 2017 01:56 PM (/Nite)
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33 Not understanding why you call it a crap study. Seems pretty accurate to me.
Posted by: bretzysdude at May 21, 2017 01:53 PM (Sv+w
Probably because most studies of this kind are crap. Just because it confirms your bias does not mean they are true. Who do you think we are? A bunch of Climate scientists?
Of course the flip side is just because it confirms your bias does not mean it is false.
Usually these studies suffer from small sample size (or poor sampling in general) or methodology issues. Repeat-ability is usually an issue.
Posted by: bretzysdude at May 21, 2017 01:53 PM (Sv+w
Probably because most studies of this kind are crap. Just because it confirms your bias does not mean they are true. Who do you think we are? A bunch of Climate scientists?
Of course the flip side is just because it confirms your bias does not mean it is false.
Usually these studies suffer from small sample size (or poor sampling in general) or methodology issues. Repeat-ability is usually an issue.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 01:57 PM (ycWCI)
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Wolf Blitzer - dumbest Jeopardy contestant in history.
Chris Cuomo - calls himself an attorney but doesn't know the most basic rule that the proponent has the burden of proof.
Chris Cuomo - calls himself an attorney but doesn't know the most basic rule that the proponent has the burden of proof.
Posted by: real joe at May 21, 2017 01:57 PM (KERS+)
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Just watched a replay of the Chris Wallace interview with Rex Tillerson this morning while Tillerson is in Saudi Arabia.
The only thing Wallace has going for him is that his father was a bigger scumbag than he is.
The only thing Wallace has going for him is that his father was a bigger scumbag than he is.
Posted by: tu3031 at May 21, 2017 01:58 PM (qJhUV)
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My experience is more that the field drives out critical thinking as much or more than it encourages the dumb and lay.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 01:56 PM (wB8Tg)
This is probably due to the shift in focus on reporting the truth to 'changing the world' that happened a while ago. Trying to change the world is easier than reporting the truth.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 01:56 PM (wB8Tg)
This is probably due to the shift in focus on reporting the truth to 'changing the world' that happened a while ago. Trying to change the world is easier than reporting the truth.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 01:59 PM (ycWCI)
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I think journalism f'd itself when Woodward/Bernstein became celebs. The conversation turned from accurately documenting events germane to our time and place, to "changing the world." "Change" and "document" are at fundamental odds w/each other.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 02:00 PM (ty7RM)
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Not understanding why you call it a crap study. Seems pretty accurate to me.
Posted by: bretzysdude at May 21, 2017 01:53 PM (Sv+w
Crap study? Small sample size, self-reporting, and ill-defined parameters?
We all know most journalists are useless assholes, but this so-called study sheds no light on that.
Posted by: bretzysdude at May 21, 2017 01:53 PM (Sv+w
Crap study? Small sample size, self-reporting, and ill-defined parameters?
We all know most journalists are useless assholes, but this so-called study sheds no light on that.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 21, 2017 02:00 PM (0deF2)
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Journalists' brains show a lower-than-average level of executive functioning, according to a new study, which means they have a below-average ability to regulate their emotions, suppress biases, solve complex problems, switch between tasks, and show creative and flexible thinking.
BWHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAAHAH!!!
Yah think? This fact was *FORCED* upon me over the course of several years as I read their shit and came to the conclusion "these assholes are spinmeisters".
BWHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAAHAH!!!
Yah think? This fact was *FORCED* upon me over the course of several years as I read their shit and came to the conclusion "these assholes are spinmeisters".
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 21, 2017 02:01 PM (vRcUp)
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43 I think journalism f'd itself when Woodward/Bernstein became celebs. The conversation turned from accurately documenting events germane to our time and place, to "changing the world." "Change" and "document" are at fundamental odds w/each other.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 02:00 PM (ty7RM)
Exactly, because if you are trying to change the world, you have an inherent bias in how you want the world to be changed. Reporting the truth means you have to ignore your own bias in favor of the truth. How inconvenient!
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 02:00 PM (ty7RM)
Exactly, because if you are trying to change the world, you have an inherent bias in how you want the world to be changed. Reporting the truth means you have to ignore your own bias in favor of the truth. How inconvenient!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 02:01 PM (ycWCI)
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"Change" and "document" are at fundamental odds w/each other.
Oooh, oooh, oooh, you've stumbled on the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle of Journalism. Excellent.
Journalist: Whut?
Oooh, oooh, oooh, you've stumbled on the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle of Journalism. Excellent.
Journalist: Whut?
Posted by: pep at May 21, 2017 02:01 PM (LAe3v)
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Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 01:59 PM (ycWCI)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 02:00 PM (ty7RM)
Please note the time of posting: I was typing as you were posting.
(Just trying to keep CNN from accusing me of plagiarizing...)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 02:00 PM (ty7RM)
Please note the time of posting: I was typing as you were posting.
(Just trying to keep CNN from accusing me of plagiarizing...)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 02:02 PM (ty7RM)
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>>We all know most journalists are useless assholes, but this so-called study sheds no light on that.
Pays to have a well lit asshole.
Pays to have a well lit asshole.
Posted by: Hope Solo at May 21, 2017 02:02 PM (/Nite)
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We report, because we can't decide.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 21, 2017 02:02 PM (y9ZKC)
51
We're tanned, rested and dumber than a bag of hammers!
Posted by: Journalistos at May 21, 2017 02:02 PM (Tyii7)
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48 Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 01:59 PM (ycWCI)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 02:00 PM (ty7RM)
Please note the time of posting: I was typing as you were posting.
(Just trying to keep CNN from accusing me of plagiarizing...)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 02:02 PM (ty7RM)
I'll allow it, since you agree with me.
Look at us! We are just like the so-called newsmen!
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 02:00 PM (ty7RM)
Please note the time of posting: I was typing as you were posting.
(Just trying to keep CNN from accusing me of plagiarizing...)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 02:02 PM (ty7RM)
I'll allow it, since you agree with me.
Look at us! We are just like the so-called newsmen!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 02:03 PM (ycWCI)
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51
We're tanned, rested and dumber than a bag of hammers!
Posted by: Journalisto
Depends. Are we talking claw or ball-peen? The latter just might be dumber than journalists.
We're tanned, rested and dumber than a bag of hammers!
Posted by: Journalisto
Depends. Are we talking claw or ball-peen? The latter just might be dumber than journalists.
Posted by: pep at May 21, 2017 02:03 PM (LAe3v)
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Pfffft. It would be like trying to explain quantum mechanics to a duck.
Posted by: pep at May 21, 2017 01:54 PM
The hens like my demonstrations of 'spin', IYKWIMAITYD.
Posted by: pep at May 21, 2017 01:54 PM
The hens like my demonstrations of 'spin', IYKWIMAITYD.
Posted by: The Drake at May 21, 2017 02:04 PM (DMUuz)
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There are a few good people with law degrees. Are there any good journalists?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 21, 2017 02:04 PM (vRcUp)
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Depends. Are we talking claw or ball-peen? The latter just might be dumber than journalists.
Posted by: pep at May 21, 2017 02:03 PM (LAe3v)
Don't even get us started on dual direction drills.
Posted by: pep at May 21, 2017 02:03 PM (LAe3v)
Don't even get us started on dual direction drills.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 02:04 PM (ycWCI)
Posted by: Walter Duranty at May 21, 2017 02:05 PM (/Nite)
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I'll allow it, since you agree with me.
..and, I agree with you, so,
NEWS!!!
-abcnnbbcbsnprmsnbc, c. 5:30 tonight
..and, I agree with you, so,
NEWS!!!
-abcnnbbcbsnprmsnbc, c. 5:30 tonight
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 02:05 PM (ty7RM)
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58 I'll allow it, since you agree with me.
..and, I agree with you, so,
NEWS!!!
-abcnnbbcbsnprmsnbc, c. 5:30 tonight
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 02:05 PM (ty7RM)
I'll have to put on pants. Dammit!
..and, I agree with you, so,
NEWS!!!
-abcnnbbcbsnprmsnbc, c. 5:30 tonight
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 02:05 PM (ty7RM)
I'll have to put on pants. Dammit!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 02:07 PM (ycWCI)
60
Back in the 70's when I was a journalism major, it was all about research (which was good) but also about "interpreting" the news. Apparently they had decided the public was too stupid to hear facts and decide for themselves.
A pity. I had some great profs for newspaper reporting. But I switched my junior year as I couldn't stand the hippie drivel coming from the other students.
A pity. I had some great profs for newspaper reporting. But I switched my junior year as I couldn't stand the hippie drivel coming from the other students.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 02:07 PM (y+BJh)
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Fake study: they used "journalist" and "brain" in conjunction.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 21, 2017 02:07 PM (CKGym)
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51 We're tanned, rested and dumber than a bag of hammers!
Posted by: Journalistos at May 21, 2017 02:02 PM (Tyii7)
----
Ha!
I was thinking "as sharp as a bag o' wet mice"
Posted by: Journalistos at May 21, 2017 02:02 PM (Tyii7)
----
Ha!
I was thinking "as sharp as a bag o' wet mice"
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 21, 2017 02:08 PM (NT3RT)
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We're changing the world, one bald-faced lie at a time!
Posted by: Journalistos at May 21, 2017 02:08 PM (Tyii7)
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at May 21, 2017 02:08 PM (S6Pax)
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"Everyone learns to write by the second grade. Most people go on to do more meaningful things." - Bobby Knight
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 21, 2017 02:08 PM (CKGym)
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NEWS NSFW!!!
-abcnnbbcbsnprmsnbc, c. 5:30 tonight
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 02:05 PM
-----
I'll have to put on pants. Dammit!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 02:07 PM
I fixed it so you don't have to.
-abcnnbbcbsnprmsnbc, c. 5:30 tonight
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 02:05 PM
-----
I'll have to put on pants. Dammit!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 02:07 PM
I fixed it so you don't have to.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 21, 2017 02:10 PM (DMUuz)
67
Self-aggrandizing busybody gossip hounds.
Posted by: davidt at May 21, 2017 02:10 PM (XoldI)
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Jesus, these people will stop at nothing to make Trump look bad.
Per ZH CNN now quoting Comey's 86 year old dad as saying Trump is a nutjob.
Supposedly we're not supposed to hate, but fuck it. I hate these people. The U in USA is dead. Gone forever.
Per ZH CNN now quoting Comey's 86 year old dad as saying Trump is a nutjob.
Supposedly we're not supposed to hate, but fuck it. I hate these people. The U in USA is dead. Gone forever.
Posted by: Country Boy at May 21, 2017 02:10 PM (Jcg9Q)
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60 Back in the 70's when I was a journalism major, it was all about research (which was good) but also about "interpreting" the news. Apparently they had decided the public was too stupid to hear facts and decide for themselves.
A pity. I had some great profs for newspaper reporting. But I switched my junior year as I couldn't stand the hippie drivel coming from the other students.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 02:07 PM (y+BJh)
One thing is there has always been an inherent bias in any news coverage- that is people and it is a very hard thing to get rid of. The thing is you used to have different viewpoints interpreting the news- therefore you got different spins on how things happened. Now it is like speaking with the Children of Landru where all the voices speak in unison.
That is why they don't like Bloggers or the world wide web reporting news- too many voices who might have a different opinion.
Can't have that.
A pity. I had some great profs for newspaper reporting. But I switched my junior year as I couldn't stand the hippie drivel coming from the other students.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 02:07 PM (y+BJh)
One thing is there has always been an inherent bias in any news coverage- that is people and it is a very hard thing to get rid of. The thing is you used to have different viewpoints interpreting the news- therefore you got different spins on how things happened. Now it is like speaking with the Children of Landru where all the voices speak in unison.
That is why they don't like Bloggers or the world wide web reporting news- too many voices who might have a different opinion.
Can't have that.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 02:10 PM (ycWCI)
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It is not yet peer reviewed, and the sample size is small, so the results should not be taken necessarily as fact.
Oh I think we can take it as f*cking fact based on what they write.
Oh I think we can take it as f*cking fact based on what they write.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 21, 2017 02:11 PM (vRcUp)
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I heard some d-bag moaning on NPR* this morning about voting rights v. voter ID laws. Voter ID laws are being passed in "Republican states." Srsly. So, since blacks mainly vote for Democrats, and whites vote mainly for Republicans, and "Republican states"pass voter ID laws, Republican=RACISSSSST!!!!!!
*Don't ask.
*Don't ask.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 21, 2017 02:12 PM (ty7RM)
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I assume this is an open thread so, here's Tabby's Star... again:
http://tinyurl.com/lycate8
http://tinyurl.com/lycate8
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 21, 2017 02:12 PM (y9ZKC)
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Usually these studies suffer from small sample size (or poor sampling in general) or methodology issues. Repeat-ability is usually an issue.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 01:57 PM (ycWCI)
That was the case here. Only 21 people completely answered the questions and another 10 partially answered. 90 had agreed to take the test, but the other 60 were all disqualified because of antidepressant use. And the researcher *still* called journalists "resilient". I wonder what her definition is if it includes drunk and on antidepressants.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 01:57 PM (ycWCI)
That was the case here. Only 21 people completely answered the questions and another 10 partially answered. 90 had agreed to take the test, but the other 60 were all disqualified because of antidepressant use. And the researcher *still* called journalists "resilient". I wonder what her definition is if it includes drunk and on antidepressants.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 21, 2017 02:13 PM (sEDyY)
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I saw Children of Landru open for Sly and the Family Stone back in '75 at the Cow Palace.
Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at May 21, 2017 02:13 PM (Tyii7)
75
Yet, journalists seem to have the most smug self-esteem about their priestly profession.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 21, 2017 02:13 PM (oVJmc)
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There's lies, damn lies, and statistics.
I think this blog posting covers it all.
Statistics to proves that news media people have to make stuff up to try to get an edge over us poor schmucks out in the hinterlands.
Some years ago, NBC sent a news team to my town in Ohio, because a group of people here had won the Powerball jackpot (~ $160 million).
So they wanted to do a piece about this typical American town.
I can still remember standing in Graeters Ice Cream and watching the NBC guys interview a guy out in front, and he was talking up our town.
Of course, when NBC aired their segment on our town some weeks later, it was a total hit piece. The intro to the piece was the music from "Green Acres".
So yes, they think we're all rubes.
I think this blog posting covers it all.
Statistics to proves that news media people have to make stuff up to try to get an edge over us poor schmucks out in the hinterlands.
Some years ago, NBC sent a news team to my town in Ohio, because a group of people here had won the Powerball jackpot (~ $160 million).
So they wanted to do a piece about this typical American town.
I can still remember standing in Graeters Ice Cream and watching the NBC guys interview a guy out in front, and he was talking up our town.
Of course, when NBC aired their segment on our town some weeks later, it was a total hit piece. The intro to the piece was the music from "Green Acres".
So yes, they think we're all rubes.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at May 21, 2017 02:14 PM (S6Pax)
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What gets lost in the Watergate nostalgia is that we now know that it wasn't a story broken by intrepid reporters so much as it was Deep Throat Mark Felt playing those reporters to advance his personal vendetta against Nixon for passing Felt over to run the FBI after Hoover died, and to protect the prerogatives of the FBI to be unaccountable to no one.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 21, 2017 02:15 PM (pV/54)
78
>>Only 21 people completely answered the questions and
another 10 partially answered. 90 had agreed to take the test, but the
other 60 were all disqualified because of antidepressant use. And the
researcher *still* called journalists "resilient". I wonder what her
definition is if it includes drunk and on antidepressants.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette
I think we can all agree this is Trump's fault. If he hadn't been elected they wouldn't be depressed and on antidepressants.
another 10 partially answered. 90 had agreed to take the test, but the
other 60 were all disqualified because of antidepressant use. And the
researcher *still* called journalists "resilient". I wonder what her
definition is if it includes drunk and on antidepressants.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette
I think we can all agree this is Trump's fault. If he hadn't been elected they wouldn't be depressed and on antidepressants.
Posted by: Aviator at May 21, 2017 02:15 PM (/Nite)
79
Journalism majors thank the god they don't believe in everyday for the Teachers College keeping them off the bottom of the SAT ladder.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 21, 2017 02:15 PM (LTHVh)
80
Sherman had it right when he said that if he killed all the journalists we'd have news from hell before breakfast.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 21, 2017 02:17 PM (kTF2Z)
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I didn't need a study to confirm what I read with my own eyes day after day.
Posted by: navybrat at May 21, 2017 02:17 PM (w7KSn)
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Aetius451, you are correct.
The juro profs covered the spectrum politically. But as all would point out, there are no politics in writing an obituary...the first assignment in news reporting class. Damned hard too.
The juro profs covered the spectrum politically. But as all would point out, there are no politics in writing an obituary...the first assignment in news reporting class. Damned hard too.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2017 02:17 PM (y+BJh)
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Exactly, because if you are trying to change the world, you have an inherent bias in how you want the world to be changed. Reporting the truth means you have to ignore your own bias in favor of the truth. How inconvenient!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 02:01 PM
If the world were Utopia would they want to change it?
Exactly, because if you are trying to change the world, you have an inherent bias in how you want the world to be changed. Reporting the truth means you have to ignore your own bias in favor of the truth. How inconvenient!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 02:01 PM
If the world were Utopia would they want to change it?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 21, 2017 02:19 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: naturalfake at May 21, 2017 02:19 PM (NyJwR)
85
Proves what I suspected.
Too stupid to master gender studies?
Go for a Journalism degree instead.
Too stupid to master gender studies?
Go for a Journalism degree instead.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 21, 2017 02:20 PM (J+eG2)
86
I think that as a condition before entering a press conferences, all the journalists should be made to wear a RompHim.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 21, 2017 02:21 PM (y9ZKC)
87
Ruh roh. Enjoy your stay naturalfake.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 21, 2017 02:22 PM (kTF2Z)
88
"Trump should start talking very loudly and slowly to the press corps.
Like so: "
I read it to Mrs VIA.
She is laughing her ass off.
Like so: "
I read it to Mrs VIA.
She is laughing her ass off.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 21, 2017 02:22 PM (J+eG2)
89
This is probably due to the shift in focus on reporting the truth to 'changing the world' that happened a while ago. Trying to change the world is easier than reporting the truth.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 01:59 PM (ycWCI)
Critical Theory -> 60's Academic "revolution" -> Romanticized "Boomer" Academics -> Self-esteem movement -> Dunning-Kruger J-school students with Political Officers.
Basically.
Without regard to inherent flaws or virtues, the Boomers have had about two and a half generations of "mah generation," and society is actually getting traffic-jammed, culturally, because of it.
Western culture is actually suffering a kind of stagnation, and, culturally speaking, stagnation isn't just bad because there's no change, but because changes happen randomly as people flail madly trying to get out of the cultural tar pit.
Every time I see someone trying to Woodstock something, I think tar pit. And to bring us back around, journalism is *also* stuck in a tar pit (Woodward and Bernstein? Seriously? *Dan Rather*?).
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 01:59 PM (ycWCI)
Critical Theory -> 60's Academic "revolution" -> Romanticized "Boomer" Academics -> Self-esteem movement -> Dunning-Kruger J-school students with Political Officers.
Basically.
Without regard to inherent flaws or virtues, the Boomers have had about two and a half generations of "mah generation," and society is actually getting traffic-jammed, culturally, because of it.
Western culture is actually suffering a kind of stagnation, and, culturally speaking, stagnation isn't just bad because there's no change, but because changes happen randomly as people flail madly trying to get out of the cultural tar pit.
Every time I see someone trying to Woodstock something, I think tar pit. And to bring us back around, journalism is *also* stuck in a tar pit (Woodward and Bernstein? Seriously? *Dan Rather*?).
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 02:22 PM (wB8Tg)
90
>>I think that as a condition before entering a press conferences, all the journalists should be made to wear a RompHim.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo
They probably have them on under their street clothes anyway.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo
They probably have them on under their street clothes anyway.
Posted by: Aviator at May 21, 2017 02:23 PM (/Nite)
91
I assume this is an open thread so, here's Tabby's Star... again:
http://tinyurl.com/lycate8
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo
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It was early Thursday morning when astronomer Matt Muterspaugh noticed something strange with the star he had been observing for the last year and a half.
------------------------------
You're trusting the DEVO front man to give you accurate astronomical information? Seriously? Please.
http://tinyurl.com/lycate8
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo
-------------------------------
It was early Thursday morning when astronomer Matt Muterspaugh noticed something strange with the star he had been observing for the last year and a half.
------------------------------
You're trusting the DEVO front man to give you accurate astronomical information? Seriously? Please.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 21, 2017 02:24 PM (vRcUp)
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The Echo Chamber is at work. Someone like ValJar or Rhodes comes up with an idea damaging to Trump. e.g. "Comey was going to ask for more resources to investitage RussiaGate." The story gets planted with two or more sources. Reporters call the sources and get corroboration because the sources say the same thing.
On some stories they seem to be going with single sources. Like someone reading a purported Comey memo. (Could this be Comey himself?).
When you do this enough, you can have multiple stories coming from a handful of sources. You also have people like Rhodes and senior editors co-ordinating this.
Prove these facts and you have the Mother of All Libel Suits.
On some stories they seem to be going with single sources. Like someone reading a purported Comey memo. (Could this be Comey himself?).
When you do this enough, you can have multiple stories coming from a handful of sources. You also have people like Rhodes and senior editors co-ordinating this.
Prove these facts and you have the Mother of All Libel Suits.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 21, 2017 02:24 PM (pV/54)
93
I've had a number of experiences with journalists in my life. I can boil it down to:
1. What they report you as saying will have very little to do with what you actually said.
2. What they report you as saying will have everything to do with the agenda of the article but no where near the words you said.
3. If you ask them -- point blank -- why do you not engage in this really great thing I am doing -- they will act disinterested and fail to mention in article that they refuse to do the great thing that interview subject is doing
4. Male reporters are funky - looking, smelling
5. Some female reporters are hot. Stay away from them.
I've had a number of experiences with journalists in my life. I can boil it down to:
1. What they report you as saying will have very little to do with what you actually said.
2. What they report you as saying will have everything to do with the agenda of the article but no where near the words you said.
3. If you ask them -- point blank -- why do you not engage in this really great thing I am doing -- they will act disinterested and fail to mention in article that they refuse to do the great thing that interview subject is doing
4. Male reporters are funky - looking, smelling
5. Some female reporters are hot. Stay away from them.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 21, 2017 02:25 PM (HTdUD)
94
The talking heads on TV are simply the logical extension of form over substance, but those who work behind the scenes are so obviously on the left of the curve too.
A little mood music:
"Talking Head" by Motorhead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_PjO2o5bjw
A little mood music:
"Talking Head" by Motorhead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_PjO2o5bjw
Posted by: The Political Hat at May 21, 2017 02:25 PM (vBeA5)
Posted by: The Margins at May 21, 2017 02:25 PM (Hj4t4)
Posted by: Journalists at May 21, 2017 02:26 PM (1BQGO)
97
Pass a law that journalists must carry malpractice insurance.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 21, 2017 02:31 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: weirdflunky at May 21, 2017 02:32 PM (cLrRe)
99
Weird.
On my computer it looked perfectly okay.
Y'all must be using Windows.
*sniffs haughtily*
*manfully enters The Barrel*
On my computer it looked perfectly okay.
Y'all must be using Windows.
*sniffs haughtily*
*manfully enters The Barrel*
Posted by: naturalfake at May 21, 2017 02:33 PM (NyJwR)
Posted by: Boromir at May 21, 2017 02:34 PM (ycWCI)
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Speaking of journalists, interesting attendance at Roger Ailes funeral.
Rush, Hannity, Ingraham and Guilfoyle. Dennis Kuchinich and his surprisingly hot wife!
No Megyn. No Murdochs
Rush, Hannity, Ingraham and Guilfoyle. Dennis Kuchinich and his surprisingly hot wife!
No Megyn. No Murdochs
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 21, 2017 02:34 PM (pV/54)
102
102 Speaking of journalists, interesting attendance at Roger Ailes funeral.
Rush, Hannity, Ingraham and Guilfoyle. Dennis Kuchinich and his surprisingly hot wife!
No Megyn. No Murdochs
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 21, 2017 02:34 PM (pV/54)
Classy.
Rush, Hannity, Ingraham and Guilfoyle. Dennis Kuchinich and his surprisingly hot wife!
No Megyn. No Murdochs
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 21, 2017 02:34 PM (pV/54)
Classy.
Posted by: Boromir at May 21, 2017 02:36 PM (ycWCI)
103
Y'all must be using Windows.
*sniffs haughtily*
Posted by: naturalfake
Not me. Margins a little wider but the operating system
automatically adjusted.
Ubuntu. Free. Worth every penny.
On my short list, like Ace, of folks I gotta throw some coin at someday.
*sniffs haughtily*
Posted by: naturalfake
Not me. Margins a little wider but the operating system
automatically adjusted.
Ubuntu. Free. Worth every penny.
On my short list, like Ace, of folks I gotta throw some coin at someday.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 21, 2017 02:37 PM (HTdUD)
104
Off Sean Bean sock.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 02:37 PM (ycWCI)
105
To say Kucinich is an odd duck would be an understatement but every once in a while he wanders from the lockstep march. I wonder what his ties are to Ailes.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 21, 2017 02:39 PM (Tyii7)
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>>>84 Margins my dear sir...margins.
[CBD]
Posted by: naturalfake at May 21, 2017 02:19 PM (NyJwR)
Can we have naturalfake's comment back, with margin control applied?
[CBD]
Posted by: naturalfake at May 21, 2017 02:19 PM (NyJwR)
Can we have naturalfake's comment back, with margin control applied?
Posted by: TFG at May 21, 2017 02:39 PM (VgThI)
107
There are exceptions. I believe a long time poster was a journalist though iirc , is now attending medical school.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 21, 2017 02:39 PM (71st6)
Posted by: m at May 21, 2017 02:39 PM (VgThI)
109
Of course, the Catch 22 is that you are a journalist yourself.
Posted by: Figbash at May 21, 2017 02:40 PM (mpnXw)
110
I assume this is an open thread so, here's Tabby's Star... again:
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 21, 2017 02:12 PM (y9ZKC)
Ah, "science" "journalism."
At least this article is way better than that "alternate universe" crap from a few days ago.
The "crap" I refer to is the journalism. Every article I saw on the subject was inaccurate, over-wrought, and grossly distorted the quotes to fit the article.
The actual content was mildly interesting if barely related to the articles.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 21, 2017 02:12 PM (y9ZKC)
Ah, "science" "journalism."
At least this article is way better than that "alternate universe" crap from a few days ago.
The "crap" I refer to is the journalism. Every article I saw on the subject was inaccurate, over-wrought, and grossly distorted the quotes to fit the article.
The actual content was mildly interesting if barely related to the articles.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 02:40 PM (wB8Tg)
111
Kuchinich is a principled guy, and in his own way a Patriot.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 21, 2017 02:41 PM (pV/54)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 02:42 PM (5VlCp)
113
What was the classic post Iowahawk did a few years ago where he tallied all the respectable journalists' mug shots, arrests, and general bad behavior??
Deplorable, indeed.
Deplorable, indeed.
Posted by: Ktgreat at May 21, 2017 02:43 PM (f8ilN)
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"Chris Cuomo - calls himself an attorney but doesn't know the most basic rule that the proponent has the burden of proof"
The other thing the study purported to show was that journo-listas are more liable than not to have alcohol troubles.
Cuomo didn't help the counterargument when he was reported to have left a late, loud party much the worse for wear, then jumped into his classic muscle car parked outside at the curb, and attempted to do a big showy burnout while leaving, which culminated in Cuomo losing control and crashing the car, and then departing the accident scene before the police arrived.
I'm aware of less politically prominent and less socially connected attorneys getting disbarred over that sort of conduct. "Officer of the court" standards and all that. But none of them had primo jobs with teevee networks, nor a brother in the Governor's mansion.
The other thing the study purported to show was that journo-listas are more liable than not to have alcohol troubles.
Cuomo didn't help the counterargument when he was reported to have left a late, loud party much the worse for wear, then jumped into his classic muscle car parked outside at the curb, and attempted to do a big showy burnout while leaving, which culminated in Cuomo losing control and crashing the car, and then departing the accident scene before the police arrived.
I'm aware of less politically prominent and less socially connected attorneys getting disbarred over that sort of conduct. "Officer of the court" standards and all that. But none of them had primo jobs with teevee networks, nor a brother in the Governor's mansion.
Posted by: torquewrench at May 21, 2017 02:43 PM (ujwCG)
115
WOMAN!
Posted by: Chelsea Manning at May 21, 2017 02:45 PM (vRcUp)
116
The irony of the nitwits walking out of their own graduation at ND is they literally walked out of the last safe space of their lives.
Good luck idiots. You're gonna need it.
Good luck idiots. You're gonna need it.
Posted by: weirdflunky at May 21, 2017 02:46 PM (cLrRe)
117
Bad sock.
Posted by: m
I left a 'thanks' to you on the Trump speech thread. Good research work.
If 0bama had ever scored that kind of attendance at a speech we'd be hearing about it for the next three months, non-stop.
The political paradigm has shifted.
Landslide events:
Nixon - went to China
Reagan - 'tear down that wall'
Trump - Organization of Islamic Cooperation attendees. Trump is Trump. Applause ensues.
Posted by: m
I left a 'thanks' to you on the Trump speech thread. Good research work.
If 0bama had ever scored that kind of attendance at a speech we'd be hearing about it for the next three months, non-stop.
The political paradigm has shifted.
Landslide events:
Nixon - went to China
Reagan - 'tear down that wall'
Trump - Organization of Islamic Cooperation attendees. Trump is Trump. Applause ensues.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 21, 2017 02:47 PM (HTdUD)
118
I spent 30 years working for a small town newspaps got me pegged for sure.
I think the profession was better when they were working stiffs called reporters.
Arrogance or an inflated sense of importance has ruined reporting.
I think the profession was better when they were working stiffs called reporters.
Arrogance or an inflated sense of importance has ruined reporting.
Posted by: Northernlurker at May 21, 2017 02:48 PM (c0CIT)
119
Yeah but they sure think highly of themselves
Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2017 02:50 PM (Ot7+c)
120
Who was it who said in a commencement address, "Congratulations graduates, the value of your hurt feelings just went to zero?"
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 21, 2017 02:51 PM (kTF2Z)
121
CNN reporting that Comey will dance before Congress this week:
"Former FBI Director James Comey now believes that President Donald Trump was trying to influence his judgment about the Russia probe, a person familiar with his thinking says, but whether that influence amounts to obstruction of justice remains an open question. "You have to have intent in order to obstruct justice in the criminal sense," the source said, adding that "intent is hard to prove."
Intent? The ironies abound.
Now who's the source of this if not Comey himself.
What a fucking passive aggressive weasel
"Former FBI Director James Comey now believes that President Donald Trump was trying to influence his judgment about the Russia probe, a person familiar with his thinking says, but whether that influence amounts to obstruction of justice remains an open question. "You have to have intent in order to obstruct justice in the criminal sense," the source said, adding that "intent is hard to prove."
Intent? The ironies abound.
Now who's the source of this if not Comey himself.
What a fucking passive aggressive weasel
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 21, 2017 02:51 PM (pV/54)
122
114 on radio heard Chris wanted a Republican congressman to prove that there was no collusion between the Russians and Trump.
Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2017 02:52 PM (Ot7+c)
123
The problem with blown margins is most obvious on phones, and since more and more people are reading on mobile devices, including phones, it would behoove us to respect their margins.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2017 02:52 PM (rF0hx)
124
So, lil Jimmy is hiding in big daddy's pocket? That a real tough hombre right there.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 21, 2017 02:53 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 21, 2017 02:53 PM (VzbI8)
126
The problem with blown margins is most obvious on phones, and since more and more people are reading on mobile devices, including phones, it would behoove us to respect their margins.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Some people are blowing up the text size on cellphones, because they're so damn small and biatch about everything.
My cheapass Samsung has no problem with re-adjusting margins.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Some people are blowing up the text size on cellphones, because they're so damn small and biatch about everything.
My cheapass Samsung has no problem with re-adjusting margins.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 21, 2017 02:55 PM (HTdUD)
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US First Lady Melania Trump praised for elegantly respectful KSA look
Arabnews: http://preview.tinyurl.com/k327ztg
Arabnews: http://preview.tinyurl.com/k327ztg
Posted by: gNewt at May 21, 2017 02:57 PM (Ik+Dg)
128
The problem with blown margins is most obvious on phones, and since more and more people are reading on mobile devices, including phones, it would behoove us to respect their margins.
Safe spacing?
Safe spacing?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 21, 2017 02:57 PM (oVJmc)
129
The problem with blown margins is most obvious on phones, and since more and more people are reading on mobile devices, including phones, it would behoove us to respect their margins.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2017 02:52 PM (rF0hx)
-------------
You mean it's not just a phone?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2017 02:52 PM (rF0hx)
-------------
You mean it's not just a phone?
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 02:57 PM (Sfs6o)
Posted by: weirdflunky at May 21, 2017 02:58 PM (cLrRe)
131
16 The late Peter Jennings is a good example, not to speak ill of the dead.
Basically a television media mimbo.
Posted by: phineas gage at May 21, 2017 01:41 PM (XsVWn)
Fuck that. Let's speak ill of the dead.
16 The late Peter Jennings is a good example, not to speak ill of the dead.
Basically a television media mimbo.
Posted by: phineas gage at May 21, 2017 01:41 PM (XsVWn)
Fuck that. Let's speak ill of the dead.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 21, 2017 02:58 PM (quw2O)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 21, 2017 02:58 PM (t8Vs+)
133
I spent 30 years working for a small town newspaps got me pegged for sure.
I think the profession was better when they were working stiffs called reporters.
Arrogance or an inflated sense of importance has ruined reporting.
Posted by: Northernlurker at May 21, 2017 02:48 PM (c0CIT)
Experienced journalists, who often started delivering papers, then printing papers, then worked their way up through obits and police blotter to finally start investigating, were all replaced by J-school grads who think "grunt work" is like K-P duty - a punishment.
There is a metaphor from engineering - the British, in the 1970s, assembled a team of talented engineers to design their new rifle and LMG. The problem is, none of them had ever so much as fired a rifle, not to mention designed one, and the result was widely considered the worst modern combat rifle ever issued.
They just didn't know the basics of the field, and they spent all their time trying to reinvent the wheel (there were many other problems on the project).
A lot of young journalists were basically taught by lifetime academics and went to work with people who had also been taught by lifetime academics. They had no practical experience.
I think the profession was better when they were working stiffs called reporters.
Arrogance or an inflated sense of importance has ruined reporting.
Posted by: Northernlurker at May 21, 2017 02:48 PM (c0CIT)
Experienced journalists, who often started delivering papers, then printing papers, then worked their way up through obits and police blotter to finally start investigating, were all replaced by J-school grads who think "grunt work" is like K-P duty - a punishment.
There is a metaphor from engineering - the British, in the 1970s, assembled a team of talented engineers to design their new rifle and LMG. The problem is, none of them had ever so much as fired a rifle, not to mention designed one, and the result was widely considered the worst modern combat rifle ever issued.
They just didn't know the basics of the field, and they spent all their time trying to reinvent the wheel (there were many other problems on the project).
A lot of young journalists were basically taught by lifetime academics and went to work with people who had also been taught by lifetime academics. They had no practical experience.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 02:59 PM (wB8Tg)
134
The margins are having a cigarette.
The margins are having a cigarette.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 21, 2017 02:59 PM (quw2O)
135
No one wants to go to the barrel. Stinks is an understatement.
If the site had a preview before posting it might help.
Na.
If the site had a preview before posting it might help.
Na.
Posted by: gNewt at May 21, 2017 02:59 PM (Ik+Dg)
136
THEN WHO WAS PHONE?
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 03:00 PM (wB8Tg)
137
I tend to prefer publications with more pictures and fewer words.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 03:00 PM (Sfs6o)
138
Example of Journalism:
MSN headline shouts "Trump avoids saying "Radical Islamic Terror" in speech".
So I had to click on it to read the idiocy. Trump instead said " Islamic extremism" , Islamic Terrorist Groups". And how Trump used the Radical term during his campaign and criticized Pres.Obama for not using the term.
And then the article went on to quote McMaster's interview on ABC last week in which he said that extremists were cloaking their criminal behavior behind a "religious" war.
First, McMaster is starting to annoy the hell out of me with the same denial as the leftists. Even the Saudi's new muslim think tank has said that the jihadists have taken a few individual passages out of the Koran that directed violence and created their own version of the religion out of it.
McMaster, to the jihadists, their behavior is their religion. They don't think they are criminals , the BELIEVE this is what will bring them favor in God's eyes.
Second, how childish and deliberately false is the MSN writer who wants everyone to believe that Trump is somehow backtracking on what he said on the campaign trail and moreover, what he just said to the Saudi's and other Muslim leader's face.
MSN headline shouts "Trump avoids saying "Radical Islamic Terror" in speech".
So I had to click on it to read the idiocy. Trump instead said " Islamic extremism" , Islamic Terrorist Groups". And how Trump used the Radical term during his campaign and criticized Pres.Obama for not using the term.
And then the article went on to quote McMaster's interview on ABC last week in which he said that extremists were cloaking their criminal behavior behind a "religious" war.
First, McMaster is starting to annoy the hell out of me with the same denial as the leftists. Even the Saudi's new muslim think tank has said that the jihadists have taken a few individual passages out of the Koran that directed violence and created their own version of the religion out of it.
McMaster, to the jihadists, their behavior is their religion. They don't think they are criminals , the BELIEVE this is what will bring them favor in God's eyes.
Second, how childish and deliberately false is the MSN writer who wants everyone to believe that Trump is somehow backtracking on what he said on the campaign trail and moreover, what he just said to the Saudi's and other Muslim leader's face.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 21, 2017 03:01 PM (62eBc)
139
The problem with blown margins is most obvious on phones, and since more and more people are reading on mobile devices, including phones, it would behoove us to respect their margins.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2017 02:52 PM (rF0hx)
If one is reading AOS with a device inappropriate for the task, the onus should be upon him/her to deal with the margin issues.
If I were viewing AOS with a monochrome monitor, it would be churlish of me to complain that I cannot see the color pictures.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2017 02:52 PM (rF0hx)
If one is reading AOS with a device inappropriate for the task, the onus should be upon him/her to deal with the margin issues.
If I were viewing AOS with a monochrome monitor, it would be churlish of me to complain that I cannot see the color pictures.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 21, 2017 03:03 PM (0deF2)
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LET'S GO PENS!
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 21, 2017 03:04 PM (89T5c)
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There is a metaphor from engineering - the British, in the 1970s, assembled a team of talented engineers to design their new rifle and LMG. The problem is, none of them had ever so much as fired a rifle, not to mention designed one, and the result was widely considered the worst modern combat rifle ever issued.
They just didn't know the basics of the field, and they spent all their time trying to reinvent the wheel (there were many other problems on the project).
A lot of young journalists were basically taught by lifetime academics and went to work with people who had also been taught by lifetime academics. They had no practical experience.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 02:59 PM (wB8Tg)
On the other hand, you have Gaston Glock. But he's certainly an anomaly.
There is a metaphor from engineering - the British, in the 1970s, assembled a team of talented engineers to design their new rifle and LMG. The problem is, none of them had ever so much as fired a rifle, not to mention designed one, and the result was widely considered the worst modern combat rifle ever issued.
They just didn't know the basics of the field, and they spent all their time trying to reinvent the wheel (there were many other problems on the project).
A lot of young journalists were basically taught by lifetime academics and went to work with people who had also been taught by lifetime academics. They had no practical experience.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 02:59 PM (wB8Tg)
On the other hand, you have Gaston Glock. But he's certainly an anomaly.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 21, 2017 03:04 PM (quw2O)
Posted by: Grimly Johnson at May 21, 2017 03:04 PM (zySRA)
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Bless me Horde for I have sinned.... I was a newspaper reporter for 20 years-- 6 of them at small town weeklies or dailies and 14 at a Catholic diocesan weekly. What I liked about those jobs was not the pay or the perks (which were few and far between) but the chance to meet ordinary folk and find out what made them "tick", why they did what they did, and where they got their ideas and convictions. I never had the slightest desire to be a big city MSM star and never set out to write ANY story with an agenda.
Posted by: Secret Square at May 21, 2017 03:05 PM (j5pfs)
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it would be churlish of me to complain that I cannot see the color pictures.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 21, 2017 03:03 PM (0deF2)
Pretty sure the definition of an AoS moron contains the word "churlish."
No idea what it means though. Something to do with boobies is my guess.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 21, 2017 03:03 PM (0deF2)
Pretty sure the definition of an AoS moron contains the word "churlish."
No idea what it means though. Something to do with boobies is my guess.
Posted by: weirdflunky at May 21, 2017 03:06 PM (cLrRe)
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"Journalism" is a job that has become professionalized and credentialed. While the number of credentials needed to get a job in the business has gone up, the quality of the person and the work produced has gone down.
Back in the days before TV news, you got a job as a newspaper reporter, and you worked the graveyard shift chasing squad cars and ambulances. High school diplomas were the high card, you didn't need a fancy degree to report the days' mayhem.
Even the aforementioned Peter Jennings was a mere HS grad.
Back in the days before TV news, you got a job as a newspaper reporter, and you worked the graveyard shift chasing squad cars and ambulances. High school diplomas were the high card, you didn't need a fancy degree to report the days' mayhem.
Even the aforementioned Peter Jennings was a mere HS grad.
Posted by: Boots at May 21, 2017 03:06 PM (EBwPV)
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"On the other hand, you have Gaston Glock. But he's certainly an anomaly."
GG knew plastics, and he had inside scoop on what the Austrian army was looking for.
Glock took all the credit, but a lot of credit should go to the gun engineer he hired at the beginning, who's still with him.
GG knew plastics, and he had inside scoop on what the Austrian army was looking for.
Glock took all the credit, but a lot of credit should go to the gun engineer he hired at the beginning, who's still with him.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 21, 2017 03:07 PM (pV/54)
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Transcript of Trump's speech
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/21/politics/trump-saudi-speech-transcript/
Nicely diplomatic, told them they have to fix the problem, then blamed Iran for it.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/21/politics/trump-saudi-speech-transcript/
Nicely diplomatic, told them they have to fix the problem, then blamed Iran for it.
Posted by: Grimly Johnson at May 21, 2017 03:09 PM (zySRA)
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Trying to wait out a line of thunderstorms that has trapped me under the portico next to the tennis court: It ain't stopping:
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 21, 2017 03:09 PM (VzbI8)
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148 Trying to wait out a line of thunderstorms that has trapped me under the portico next to the tennis court: It ain't stopping:
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 21, 2017 03:09 PM (VzbI
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So that's where you are, been looking all over for you.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 21, 2017 03:09 PM (VzbI
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So that's where you are, been looking all over for you.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:10 PM (+eKyB)
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I have, on four occasions I believe, read newspaper articles written about events with which I was closely involved. These were for the most part simple human interest type events and articles. In each case, the articles in almost no way reflected what had actually taken place.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 03:11 PM (Sfs6o)
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No idea what it means though. Something to do with boobies is my guess.
Posted by: weirdflunky at May 21, 2017 03:06 PM
What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: weirdflunky at May 21, 2017 03:06 PM
What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: Albatross at May 21, 2017 03:11 PM (DMUuz)
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149 148 Trying to wait out a line of thunderstorms that has trapped me under the portico next to the tennis court: It ain't stopping:
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 21, 2017 03:09 PM (VzbI
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So that's where you are, been looking all over for you.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:10 PM (+eKyB)
Should have sent Lassie:
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 21, 2017 03:09 PM (VzbI
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So that's where you are, been looking all over for you.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:10 PM (+eKyB)
Should have sent Lassie:
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 21, 2017 03:11 PM (VzbI8)
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Great play in the field by Yankee Aaron Judge. Full extension robs a sure double, and then becomes a double play of the guy off base
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 21, 2017 03:11 PM (pV/54)
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Bless me Horde for I have sinned....
Posted by: Secret Square
Ego te absolvo, my child. Say a perfect Act of Contrition and go and sin no more.
Posted by: Secret Square
Ego te absolvo, my child. Say a perfect Act of Contrition and go and sin no more.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 21, 2017 03:12 PM (4HbHy)
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So Iran is now isolated, except for its Russian ally.
And North Korea is getting squeezed.
Diplomacy!
And North Korea is getting squeezed.
Diplomacy!
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 21, 2017 03:13 PM (pV/54)
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155 So Iran is now isolated, except for its Russian ally.
And North Korea is getting squeezed.
Diplomacy!
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 21, 2017 03:13 PM (pV/54)
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North Korea, what is their problem. Little Un keeps tossing missiles in the air and threatening to bring us down. Why is he so butt hurt?
And North Korea is getting squeezed.
Diplomacy!
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 21, 2017 03:13 PM (pV/54)
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North Korea, what is their problem. Little Un keeps tossing missiles in the air and threatening to bring us down. Why is he so butt hurt?
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:15 PM (+eKyB)
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>> Little Un keeps tossing missiles in the air and threatening to bring us down. Why is he so butt hurt?
Posted by: washrivergal
Lifetime of short jokes by world leaders.
Posted by: washrivergal
Lifetime of short jokes by world leaders.
Posted by: Aviator at May 21, 2017 03:19 PM (/Nite)
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Americans gave s wide range of media to choose from
Cvs objects to the fact that most people consume media he doesn't approve of
Cvs objects to the fact that most people consume media he doesn't approve of
Posted by: Him at May 21, 2017 03:19 PM (3U1pE)
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North Korea, what is their problem. Little Un keeps tossing missiles in the air and threatening to bring us down. Why is he so butt hurt?
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:15 PM (+eKyB)
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My understanding is food supplies are at their lowest point just after winter so the government starts banging the war drums to get people's attention away from the fact that they're starving to death.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:15 PM (+eKyB)
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My understanding is food supplies are at their lowest point just after winter so the government starts banging the war drums to get people's attention away from the fact that they're starving to death.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 03:20 PM (Sfs6o)
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Duh!!!
One has hope that no US Tax dollars were spent on such patently obvious conclusions. FYI, I understand and agree with CBD for posting this "the sun rose today" article.
One has hope that no US Tax dollars were spent on such patently obvious conclusions. FYI, I understand and agree with CBD for posting this "the sun rose today" article.
Posted by: Locke Common at May 21, 2017 03:21 PM (Y6EAT)
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North Korea, what is their problem. Little Un keeps tossing missiles in the air and threatening to bring us down. Why is he so butt hurt?
Posted by: washrivergal
Small penis syndrome. Attack the biggest guy, then cry like a biatch when slapped down.
I'd like to say there is some way to avoid the inevitable, but there is no way to avoid the inevitable.
Posted by: washrivergal
Small penis syndrome. Attack the biggest guy, then cry like a biatch when slapped down.
I'd like to say there is some way to avoid the inevitable, but there is no way to avoid the inevitable.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 21, 2017 03:21 PM (HTdUD)
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Journalists scored pretty high on:
*Abstraction, the ability to deal with ideas rather than events. It's related to the part of the brain where the most sophisticated problem-solving takes place. In other words, it highlights the ability to think outside the box and make connections where others might not see them.
*Value tagging, the ability to assign values to different sensory cues, such as whether something is a priority or has meaning. Scoring highly in this area indicates a good ability to sift through information and pick out what's important.
Uh, Imma going to have to call bullshit on this one.
1. - if you think that climate change is responsible for higher crime rates, you are a retarded asshole.
2. - if you think a man's right to enter a women's restroom is an important "value", you are a retarded asshole.
*Abstraction, the ability to deal with ideas rather than events. It's related to the part of the brain where the most sophisticated problem-solving takes place. In other words, it highlights the ability to think outside the box and make connections where others might not see them.
*Value tagging, the ability to assign values to different sensory cues, such as whether something is a priority or has meaning. Scoring highly in this area indicates a good ability to sift through information and pick out what's important.
Uh, Imma going to have to call bullshit on this one.
1. - if you think that climate change is responsible for higher crime rates, you are a retarded asshole.
2. - if you think a man's right to enter a women's restroom is an important "value", you are a retarded asshole.
Posted by: Chelsea Manning at May 21, 2017 03:21 PM (vRcUp)
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yeah churlish!
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 21, 2017 03:22 PM (cPsPa)
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This study need a to be done on pre-K -- 12 th grade educators. I guarantee its worse than journalists.
Posted by: Who Was Phone? at May 21, 2017 03:22 PM (Lk/fE)
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Traitor tranny sock off.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 21, 2017 03:22 PM (vRcUp)
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Weasel- the M.O. Of totalitarians everywhere, Venezuela's problems are all from the US of A, go ask them.
Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2017 03:23 PM (Ot7+c)
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If one is reading AOS with a device inappropriate for the task, the onus should be upon him/her to deal with the margin issues.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 21, 2017 03:03 PM (0deF2)
Possibly.
But when it is the coblogger who wrote the post who is reading on his phone because he wants to make sure that the Morons are playing nicely, then he gets to bitch and moan to his heart's content....
And...the software doesn't optimize for mobile devices, so it is at least partly a function of our technology.
But it's not a big deal, just something to be aware of.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 21, 2017 03:03 PM (0deF2)
Possibly.
But when it is the coblogger who wrote the post who is reading on his phone because he wants to make sure that the Morons are playing nicely, then he gets to bitch and moan to his heart's content....
And...the software doesn't optimize for mobile devices, so it is at least partly a function of our technology.
But it's not a big deal, just something to be aware of.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2017 03:24 PM (rF0hx)
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Dennis Prager was talking about NK, he was saying tthe goverment was telling the people you should be lucky you get to eat tree bark, in America they don't have tree bark to eat.
Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2017 03:25 PM (Ot7+c)
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Gary Taubes is a smart guy. And he is a truth seeker. Obviously on the right side of the curve.
Posted by: Smashmaster at May 21, 2017 03:25 PM (Ss+gE)
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166 Weasel- the M.O. Of totalitarians everywhere, Venezuela's problems are all from the US of A, go ask them.
Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2017 03:23 PM (Ot7+c)
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Yep. The stories of life inside North Korea by those who have escaped to the south are fascinating. Tragic, but fascinating.
Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2017 03:23 PM (Ot7+c)
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Yep. The stories of life inside North Korea by those who have escaped to the south are fascinating. Tragic, but fascinating.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 03:25 PM (Sfs6o)
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Do they even teach journalism qua journalism anymore? Hasn't it been assimilated into the fog of "communications"?
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 03:27 PM (0mRoj)
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America/Americans have permanent interests not permanent allies, friends, or policies. One permanent interest is freedom and the security which is necessary for that freedom to thrive.
Now consider that the Democrats; the progressive-socialist ones which make up the majority of the Party anymore, their base, and the MSM; they also have permanent interests, not permanent allies, friends, or policies. If their interests aligned with those of America/Americans then they would be thriving, however they have been very eager to show us that their interests are not ours.
Thus Trump.
Now consider that the Democrats; the progressive-socialist ones which make up the majority of the Party anymore, their base, and the MSM; they also have permanent interests, not permanent allies, friends, or policies. If their interests aligned with those of America/Americans then they would be thriving, however they have been very eager to show us that their interests are not ours.
Thus Trump.
Posted by: geoffb5 at May 21, 2017 03:27 PM (d3wbb)
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170 166 Weasel- the M.O. Of totalitarians everywhere, Venezuela's problems are all from the US of A, go ask them.
Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2017 03:23 PM (Ot7+c)
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Yep. The stories of life inside North Korea by those who have escaped to the south are fascinating. Tragic, but fascinating.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 03:25 PM (Sfs6o)
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So in conclusion, if North Korea and somehow Venezuela
manage to take the United States off the map all their problems will be over.
Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2017 03:23 PM (Ot7+c)
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Yep. The stories of life inside North Korea by those who have escaped to the south are fascinating. Tragic, but fascinating.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 03:25 PM (Sfs6o)
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So in conclusion, if North Korea and somehow Venezuela
manage to take the United States off the map all their problems will be over.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:29 PM (+eKyB)
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Yep. The stories of life inside North Korea by those who have escaped to the south are fascinating. Tragic, but fascinating.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 03:25 PM
Why would someone want to "escape" from paradise?
Yep. The stories of life inside North Korea by those who have escaped to the south are fascinating. Tragic, but fascinating.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 03:25 PM
Why would someone want to "escape" from paradise?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 21, 2017 03:29 PM (IqV8l)
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Didn't read all the comments yet, but are these the same idiots who say climate science is settled and gender is fluid?
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 03:29 PM (ie8tB)
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*Value tagging, the ability to assign values to different sensory cues, such as whether something is a priority or has meaning. Scoring highly in this area indicates a good ability to sift through information and pick out what's important.
This is only a positive thing if your values aren't total shit.
This is only a positive thing if your values aren't total shit.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 03:30 PM (0mRoj)
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37 My experience is more that the field drives out critical thinking as much or more than it encourages the dumb and lay.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 01:56 PM (wB8Tg)
The j side of the communications department at Michigan was good, which is probably why it was restructured by people like Catherine McKinnon's boyfriend and a department head whose claim to fame was porn studies. I despise Anderson Cooper because he came up in not one but TWO ethics discussions (and yes, there was a required ethics class and First Amendment law). Cooper got a buddy to make him fake press credentials, among other things.
One of the professors, Frank Beaver (real name!), could give you a whole history of how journalists - including the French - propagandized the Vietnam War. He also exposed how Sixty Minutes used camera angles and cut-aways to make interviewees look uncomfortable or untrustworthy. When a younger friend of mine attended, he and another prof were teaching about Post Modernism's effects on reporting.
Also, our instructors who taught investigative journalism told us two things at the beginning: 1. NEVER quote an anonymous source. Find someone who is willing to talk publically OR get the information yourself because - get this- people are always ready to use reporters to ruin someone's reputation. 2. Attend meetings and request a look at purchase orders because political corruption starts local and in purchasing. We actually discovered that a city's titles didn't match the vehicles on their fleet and that a township supervisor was allowed to quietly go after getting caught embezzling. And the current supervisor was the biggest ass I've ever met.
I think the current mess with journalism comes from the late '80s. First, the foreign correspondents bureaus closed because it was cheaper to use locals (who don't even pretend to have an interest in an American POV).
Second, starting jobs switched from low-paid grunt work to unpaid internships and grant-funded work. That was great if you're a Vanderbilt or a fast-tracked underrepresented minority like Lemon.
I knew a nurse who decided to go into medical reporting. She had two unpaid internships at TV stations in Detroit and iirc Chicago. She was scolded about moonlighting as a nurse, and finally she had to chose between paying rent or pursuing her goal. Meanwhile a medical center PR guy was doing on-air segments (no, no bias there).
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 21, 2017 01:56 PM (wB8Tg)
The j side of the communications department at Michigan was good, which is probably why it was restructured by people like Catherine McKinnon's boyfriend and a department head whose claim to fame was porn studies. I despise Anderson Cooper because he came up in not one but TWO ethics discussions (and yes, there was a required ethics class and First Amendment law). Cooper got a buddy to make him fake press credentials, among other things.
One of the professors, Frank Beaver (real name!), could give you a whole history of how journalists - including the French - propagandized the Vietnam War. He also exposed how Sixty Minutes used camera angles and cut-aways to make interviewees look uncomfortable or untrustworthy. When a younger friend of mine attended, he and another prof were teaching about Post Modernism's effects on reporting.
Also, our instructors who taught investigative journalism told us two things at the beginning: 1. NEVER quote an anonymous source. Find someone who is willing to talk publically OR get the information yourself because - get this- people are always ready to use reporters to ruin someone's reputation. 2. Attend meetings and request a look at purchase orders because political corruption starts local and in purchasing. We actually discovered that a city's titles didn't match the vehicles on their fleet and that a township supervisor was allowed to quietly go after getting caught embezzling. And the current supervisor was the biggest ass I've ever met.
I think the current mess with journalism comes from the late '80s. First, the foreign correspondents bureaus closed because it was cheaper to use locals (who don't even pretend to have an interest in an American POV).
Second, starting jobs switched from low-paid grunt work to unpaid internships and grant-funded work. That was great if you're a Vanderbilt or a fast-tracked underrepresented minority like Lemon.
I knew a nurse who decided to go into medical reporting. She had two unpaid internships at TV stations in Detroit and iirc Chicago. She was scolded about moonlighting as a nurse, and finally she had to chose between paying rent or pursuing her goal. Meanwhile a medical center PR guy was doing on-air segments (no, no bias there).
Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 21, 2017 03:31 PM (G8B7r)
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"Dennis Prager was talking about NK, he was saying tthe goverment was
telling the people you should be lucky you get to eat tree bark, in
America they don't have tree bark to eat."
One of my favorite communist agitprop failures:
During the 1980s, the Soviet nomenklatura were telling ordinary Soviet workers about how terrible things were in America. Why, due to imperialist militarist Reaganomics, elderly people in America are having to eat cat food to get by!
Ivan, the proverbial Soviet prole, living in a cold-water walk-up flat out in a dreary factory town far from the bright lights of Moscow, heard this and thought, "Wait, in America, they have special food just for cats? Wow! What a country!"
telling the people you should be lucky you get to eat tree bark, in
America they don't have tree bark to eat."
One of my favorite communist agitprop failures:
During the 1980s, the Soviet nomenklatura were telling ordinary Soviet workers about how terrible things were in America. Why, due to imperialist militarist Reaganomics, elderly people in America are having to eat cat food to get by!
Ivan, the proverbial Soviet prole, living in a cold-water walk-up flat out in a dreary factory town far from the bright lights of Moscow, heard this and thought, "Wait, in America, they have special food just for cats? Wow! What a country!"
Posted by: torquewrench at May 21, 2017 03:31 PM (ujwCG)
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140 LET'S GO PENS!
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 21, 2017 03:04 PM
HA. I thought that said go penis. Yay team!!!!!
Too ONT for you daywalkers?
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 21, 2017 03:04 PM
HA. I thought that said go penis. Yay team!!!!!
Too ONT for you daywalkers?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 21, 2017 03:33 PM (hscyr)
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Where's the gum thread?
Posted by: Toothless Geezer at May 21, 2017 03:33 PM (t5m5e)
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168 Dennis Prager was talking about NK, he was saying tthe goverment was telling the people you should be lucky you get to eat tree bark, in America they don't have tree bark to eat.
Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2017 03:25 PM (Ot7+c)
But it's organic, locally-sourced, gluten-free, certified vegan, sustainable tree bark.
Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2017 03:25 PM (Ot7+c)
But it's organic, locally-sourced, gluten-free, certified vegan, sustainable tree bark.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 03:34 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 21, 2017 03:34 PM (IqV8l)
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HA. I thought that said go penis. Yay team!!!!!
Too ONT for you daywalkers?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 21, 2017 03:33 PM (hscyr)
bwahahahaha!
Too ONT for you daywalkers?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 21, 2017 03:33 PM (hscyr)
bwahahahaha!
Posted by: Peaches at May 21, 2017 03:34 PM (EgOr3)
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Additional headline on MSN(which unfortunately is part of my Edge browser)
Notre Dame Students Walk out on Pence Speech.
ND had 2100 students graduate today and about 100 got up and walked out like the privileged princesses they are when Pence was introduced.
Those who walked out were doing so in a show of solidarity with LGBT people who were horribly abused by needing to use a gender specific bathroom in public to pee in.
A graduate who did not participate said that the campus had been pretty quiet about Pence's speech, and it was an outside group that came in to organize the students...
I hope ND charges these people up the wazoo to have their diploma mailed to them.
Notre Dame Students Walk out on Pence Speech.
ND had 2100 students graduate today and about 100 got up and walked out like the privileged princesses they are when Pence was introduced.
Those who walked out were doing so in a show of solidarity with LGBT people who were horribly abused by needing to use a gender specific bathroom in public to pee in.
A graduate who did not participate said that the campus had been pretty quiet about Pence's speech, and it was an outside group that came in to organize the students...
I hope ND charges these people up the wazoo to have their diploma mailed to them.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 21, 2017 03:35 PM (62eBc)
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Sign me up for Team Penis!
Posted by: Barry Obama at May 21, 2017 03:36 PM (0mRoj)
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Notre Dame Students Walk out on Pence Speech.
ND had 2100 students graduate today and about 100 got up and walked
out like the privileged princesses they are when Pence was introduced.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 21, 2017 03:35 PM (62eBc)
I didn't know ND had a journalism degree program . . .
ND had 2100 students graduate today and about 100 got up and walked
out like the privileged princesses they are when Pence was introduced.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 21, 2017 03:35 PM (62eBc)
I didn't know ND had a journalism degree program . . .
Posted by: Peaches at May 21, 2017 03:36 PM (EgOr3)
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Dennis Prager was talking about NK, he was saying tthe goverment was
telling the people you should be lucky you get to eat tree bark, in
America they don't have tree bark to eat.
A CNN Special Report: North Korea's Successful Battle Against Obesity
telling the people you should be lucky you get to eat tree bark, in
America they don't have tree bark to eat.
A CNN Special Report: North Korea's Successful Battle Against Obesity
Posted by: This...is CNN at May 21, 2017 03:37 PM (qJhUV)
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Pens up 2-0
Posted by: tu3031 at May 21, 2017 03:38 PM (qJhUV)
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>>>117 Bad sock.
Posted by: m
I left a 'thanks' to you on the Trump speech thread. Good research work.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 21, 2017 02:47 PM (HTdUD)
Thanks. Good teamwork.
Posted by: m
I left a 'thanks' to you on the Trump speech thread. Good research work.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 21, 2017 02:47 PM (HTdUD)
Thanks. Good teamwork.
Posted by: m at May 21, 2017 03:38 PM (VgThI)
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Sorry. I probably broke a rule about wordiness. It just ticks me off so much when I see "news" that wouldn't pass the editor of a high school paper. And the arrogance! I wish I had a dime for every time an instructor told me, "You're not an expert. Assume nothing."
Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 21, 2017 03:38 PM (G8B7r)
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189 >>>117 Bad sock.
Posted by: m
I left a 'thanks' to you on the Trump speech thread. Good research work.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 21, 2017 02:47 PM (HTdUD)
Thanks. Good teamwork.
Posted by: m at May 21, 2017 03:38 PM (VgThI)
Oh geez, get a room!
Posted by: m
I left a 'thanks' to you on the Trump speech thread. Good research work.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 21, 2017 02:47 PM (HTdUD)
Thanks. Good teamwork.
Posted by: m at May 21, 2017 03:38 PM (VgThI)
Oh geez, get a room!
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 03:39 PM (0mRoj)
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Oh geez, get a room!
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 03:39 PM (0mRoj)
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Posted by: GOULD at May 21, 2017 03:40 PM (Hj4t4)
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>>>Oh geez, get a room!
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 03:39 PM (0mRoj)
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Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 03:39 PM (0mRoj)
http://smilies.mee.nu/light/15_orange/icon_lol.gif
Posted by: m at May 21, 2017 03:42 PM (VgThI)
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179 140 LET'S GO PENS!
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 21, 2017 03:04 PM
HA. I thought that said go penis. Yay team!!!!!
Too ONT for you daywalkers?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 21, 2017 03:33 PM (hscyr)
Beebs, I thought the same thing but was too much the lady to say it aloud.
But what the hell -- Team Boobs!!
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 21, 2017 03:04 PM
HA. I thought that said go penis. Yay team!!!!!
Too ONT for you daywalkers?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 21, 2017 03:33 PM (hscyr)
Beebs, I thought the same thing but was too much the lady to say it aloud.
But what the hell -- Team Boobs!!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 21, 2017 03:42 PM (NT3RT)
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190 Sorry. I probably broke a rule about wordiness. It just ticks me off so much when I see "news" that wouldn't pass the editor of a high school paper. And the arrogance! I wish I had a dime for every time an instructor told me, "You're not an expert. Assume nothing."
Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 21, 2017 03:38 PM (G8B7r)
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They've certainly thrown that concept out the window.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 21, 2017 03:38 PM (G8B7r)
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They've certainly thrown that concept out the window.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:42 PM (+eKyB)
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So in conclusion, if North Korea and somehow Venezuela
manage to take the United States off the map all their problems will be over.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:29 PM (+eKyB)
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For the most part, the North Korean people literally have no idea what goes on in the outside world and those who do make it out have significant problems adjusting. I've recommended the book Nothing to Envy here before - it's an excellent read.
manage to take the United States off the map all their problems will be over.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:29 PM (+eKyB)
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For the most part, the North Korean people literally have no idea what goes on in the outside world and those who do make it out have significant problems adjusting. I've recommended the book Nothing to Envy here before - it's an excellent read.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 03:44 PM (Sfs6o)
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Ok, I need horde suggestions. Daughter I put up for adoption 29 yrs ago is coming to visit at the end of the week with grandbaby. First time I will see daughter since the hospital. Found gift for grandbaby, any ideas for daughter? I looked for a birthstone necklace, but no luck.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 03:44 PM (ie8tB)
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195 190 Sorry. I probably broke a rule about wordiness. It just ticks me off so much when I see "news" that wouldn't pass the editor of a high school paper. And the arrogance! I wish I had a dime for every time an instructor told me, "You're not an expert. Assume nothing."
Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 21, 2017 03:38 PM (G8B7r)
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They've certainly thrown that concept out the window.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:42 PM (+eKyB)
Who, what, when, where and why have taken a back seat to push the narrative, push the narrative, push the narrative, push the narrative and push the narrative.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 21, 2017 03:38 PM (G8B7r)
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They've certainly thrown that concept out the window.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:42 PM (+eKyB)
Who, what, when, where and why have taken a back seat to push the narrative, push the narrative, push the narrative, push the narrative and push the narrative.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 03:44 PM (0mRoj)
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I have saic often, God help employers who have to hire these graduated snowflakes
Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2017 03:44 PM (Ot7+c)
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3-0 Penguins
Posted by: tu3031 at May 21, 2017 03:44 PM (qJhUV)
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Oh geez, get a room!
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy
Alright, I chuckled. But 'm' did something our disinterested press did not care to do - figured out that nearly 100% of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (57 - like Heinz ketchup and American states) countries attended todays Trump speech.
Like 'what she said last night', 'That's huge'.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy
Alright, I chuckled. But 'm' did something our disinterested press did not care to do - figured out that nearly 100% of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (57 - like Heinz ketchup and American states) countries attended todays Trump speech.
Like 'what she said last night', 'That's huge'.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 21, 2017 03:44 PM (HTdUD)
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"The intro to the piece was the music from "Green Acres". So yes, they think we're all rubes. Posted by: Bossy Conservative
ha, yeah that theme song might apply to the cocktail party liberals. They are as out of touch with the country as Eva Gabor was in her part as Mrs. Douglas that could not cook or do much of anything. The smart lawyer was pretty incompetent as well.
But if a rural community was as screwy as that show portrayed "us", no farming would actual be accomplished. At least Petticoat Junction had a functioning business and hot daughters.
ha, yeah that theme song might apply to the cocktail party liberals. They are as out of touch with the country as Eva Gabor was in her part as Mrs. Douglas that could not cook or do much of anything. The smart lawyer was pretty incompetent as well.
But if a rural community was as screwy as that show portrayed "us", no farming would actual be accomplished. At least Petticoat Junction had a functioning business and hot daughters.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 21, 2017 03:45 PM (TmCOq)
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NaughtyPine, interesting post.
Anytime one's profession gets taken over and turned into 180 degrees from what it should be is difficult for those who love the profession and are ethical to take.
I think you're right, about the foreign bureaus. Also, the advent of 24 hour news that is vying with other 24 hour news on television led to the rise of sound bites, looks over substance, and finally to the pack of barking little dogs we have as a press corp today.
Few people want to read a full story with all sides presented anymore, and that's the public's fault. The advent of the internet, television, satellite radio, phones, tablets, etc. has created a public who have limited attention spans, and education has produced teenagers and adults who have zero critical thinking skills.
I think the demise of 600 channel television service may in the long run, be a good thing. The rest of it is going to take a long time to correct course.
Anytime one's profession gets taken over and turned into 180 degrees from what it should be is difficult for those who love the profession and are ethical to take.
I think you're right, about the foreign bureaus. Also, the advent of 24 hour news that is vying with other 24 hour news on television led to the rise of sound bites, looks over substance, and finally to the pack of barking little dogs we have as a press corp today.
Few people want to read a full story with all sides presented anymore, and that's the public's fault. The advent of the internet, television, satellite radio, phones, tablets, etc. has created a public who have limited attention spans, and education has produced teenagers and adults who have zero critical thinking skills.
I think the demise of 600 channel television service may in the long run, be a good thing. The rest of it is going to take a long time to correct course.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 21, 2017 03:45 PM (62eBc)
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Beebs, I thought the same thing but was too much the lady to say it aloud.
But what the hell -- Team Boobs!!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 21, 2017 03:42 PM (NT3RT)
I may not be on Team Boobs- but I cheer like hell for them.
But what the hell -- Team Boobs!!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 21, 2017 03:42 PM (NT3RT)
I may not be on Team Boobs- but I cheer like hell for them.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 03:45 PM (ycWCI)
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So in conclusion, if North Korea and somehow Venezuela
manage to take the United States off the map all their problems will be over.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:29 PM (+eKyB)
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After all, one has to look no further than little Kim's haircut to understand these people have significant problems with judgment.
manage to take the United States off the map all their problems will be over.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:29 PM (+eKyB)
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After all, one has to look no further than little Kim's haircut to understand these people have significant problems with judgment.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 03:45 PM (Sfs6o)
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Posted by: Peaches at May 21, 2017 03:36 PM (EgOr3)
*unlurk*
Nice to see that name! I hope you're doing well.
Second best birthday present I got today.
You don't know me by this name, ma'am, but I've always been fond of you.
You were the first person here at the HQ to welcome me after years of being away & coming back with a new name.
*goes back to lurk mode, opens a coors light and sparks up a parlie...
*unlurk*
Nice to see that name! I hope you're doing well.
Second best birthday present I got today.
You don't know me by this name, ma'am, but I've always been fond of you.
You were the first person here at the HQ to welcome me after years of being away & coming back with a new name.
*goes back to lurk mode, opens a coors light and sparks up a parlie...
Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 21, 2017 03:46 PM (M7oLR)
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Ok, TV show just said with authority. "Left lower back- where the human liver is."
Now maybe I misremember my anatomy courses, but isn't the liver more in the front upper right torso?
Now maybe I misremember my anatomy courses, but isn't the liver more in the front upper right torso?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 03:47 PM (ycWCI)
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>>>197 Ok, I need horde suggestions. Daughter I put up for adoption 29 yrs ago is coming to visit at the end of the week with grandbaby. First time I will see daughter since the hospital. Found gift for grandbaby, any ideas for daughter? I looked for a birthstone necklace, but no luck.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 03:44 PM (ie8tB)
Do you know her religion? I am thinking a nicely bound Bible, if she's Christian.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 03:44 PM (ie8tB)
Do you know her religion? I am thinking a nicely bound Bible, if she's Christian.
Posted by: m at May 21, 2017 03:47 PM (VgThI)
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Somebody say Gun Thread?
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 03:47 PM (Sfs6o)
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For the most part, the North Korean people literally have no idea what goes on in the outside world and those who do make it out have significant problems adjusting. I've recommended the book Nothing to Envy here before - it's an excellent read.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 03:44 PM (Sfs6o)
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Thank you for the recommendation. I'll write it down and look for it. Sounds both fascinating and very depressing.
For the most part, the North Korean people literally have no idea what goes on in the outside world and those who do make it out have significant problems adjusting. I've recommended the book Nothing to Envy here before - it's an excellent read.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 03:44 PM (Sfs6o)
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Thank you for the recommendation. I'll write it down and look for it. Sounds both fascinating and very depressing.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:47 PM (+eKyB)
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Found gift for grandbaby, any ideas for daughter? I looked for a birthstone necklace, but no luck.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 03:44 PM (ie8tB)
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This is a sweet idea, Infidel. If you can't find her birthstone, just a nice necklace to signify your meeting. Maybe three little stones for you, daughter, and grandbaby?
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 03:44 PM (ie8tB)
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This is a sweet idea, Infidel. If you can't find her birthstone, just a nice necklace to signify your meeting. Maybe three little stones for you, daughter, and grandbaby?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 21, 2017 03:48 PM (NT3RT)
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A CNN Special Report: North Korea's Successful Battle Against Obesity
Posted by: This...is CNN at May 21, 2017 03:37 PM (qJhUV)
Ah, shit, I can't stop laughing! That's great. I hope I can remember to steal it.
Posted by: This...is CNN at May 21, 2017 03:37 PM (qJhUV)
Ah, shit, I can't stop laughing! That's great. I hope I can remember to steal it.
Posted by: Peaches at May 21, 2017 03:48 PM (EgOr3)
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Ok, I need horde suggestions. Daughter I put up for adoption 29 yrs ago is coming to visit at the end of the week with grandbaby. First time I will see daughter since the hospital. Found gift for grandbaby, any ideas for daughter? I looked for a birthstone necklace, but no luck.
Posted by: Infidel
Let's see. You avoided birthdays, school expenses, clothing, lodging, prom dresses, etc for 29 years? I think you should be looking at $300,000 automobiles.
Snark aside, glad you could reunite.
Posted by: Infidel
Let's see. You avoided birthdays, school expenses, clothing, lodging, prom dresses, etc for 29 years? I think you should be looking at $300,000 automobiles.
Snark aside, glad you could reunite.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 21, 2017 03:48 PM (HTdUD)
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4-0
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 21, 2017 03:48 PM (89T5c)
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207 Ok, TV show just said with authority. "Left lower back- where the human liver is."
Now maybe I misremember my anatomy courses, but isn't the liver more in the front upper right torso?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 03:47 PM (ycWCI)
Right side, abdomen, slightly set back.
Now maybe I misremember my anatomy courses, but isn't the liver more in the front upper right torso?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 03:47 PM (ycWCI)
Right side, abdomen, slightly set back.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 21, 2017 03:48 PM (0mRoj)
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Penguins pouring it on. 4-0, 2 left in the 1st.
Posted by: tu3031 at May 21, 2017 03:49 PM (qJhUV)
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Ok, I need horde suggestions. Daughter I put up for adoption 29 yrs ago is coming to visit at the end of the week with grandbaby. First time I will see daughter since the hospital. Found gift for grandbaby, any ideas for daughter? I looked for a birthstone necklace, but no luck.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 03:44 PM (ie8tB)
Tough one. No gifts. Just enjoy her and her baby and the moment and being reunited. I think she already has all the gifts she needs with you back in her life.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 03:44 PM (ie8tB)
Tough one. No gifts. Just enjoy her and her baby and the moment and being reunited. I think she already has all the gifts she needs with you back in her life.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 03:50 PM (5VlCp)
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Indy will attempt to decide the pole today. On ABC now. Hope they're all safe today.
Posted by: weirdflunky at May 21, 2017 03:51 PM (cLrRe)
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Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 21, 2017 03:46 PM (M7oLR)
Well, Happy Birthday, whoever the fuck you are! And, as you probably know, I say that with love. :-)
Well, Happy Birthday, whoever the fuck you are! And, as you probably know, I say that with love. :-)
Posted by: Peaches at May 21, 2017 03:52 PM (EgOr3)
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Thank you for the recommendation. I'll write it down and look for it. Sounds both fascinating and very depressing.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:47 PM (+eKyB)
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Please do and tell me what you think!! It's really four different stories written by an LA Times 'reporter' who interviewed four North Koreans at length once they made it out of the country. They are really amazing stories and really actually difficult to believe sometimes because at some points they almost seem like parody or satire.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:47 PM (+eKyB)
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Please do and tell me what you think!! It's really four different stories written by an LA Times 'reporter' who interviewed four North Koreans at length once they made it out of the country. They are really amazing stories and really actually difficult to believe sometimes because at some points they almost seem like parody or satire.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 03:53 PM (Sfs6o)
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Nood. Food.
Posted by: olddog in mo at May 21, 2017 03:53 PM (Dhht7)
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219 Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 21, 2017 03:46 PM (M7oLR)
Well, Happy Birthday, whoever the fuck you are! And, as you probably know, I say that with love. :-)
Posted by: Peaches at May 21, 2017 03:52 PM (EgOr3)
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Happy Birthday, Fried Baloney Sandwich.
I think I know who you are. Maybe.
Well, Happy Birthday, whoever the fuck you are! And, as you probably know, I say that with love. :-)
Posted by: Peaches at May 21, 2017 03:52 PM (EgOr3)
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Happy Birthday, Fried Baloney Sandwich.
I think I know who you are. Maybe.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:53 PM (+eKyB)
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Ok, I need horde suggestions. Daughter I put up for adoption 29 yrs ago is coming to visit at the end of the week with grandbaby. First time I will see daughter since the hospital. Found gift for grandbaby, any ideas for daughter? I looked for a birthstone necklace, but no luck.
Posted by: Infidel
How about something like this:
http://tinyurl.com/m8v2fop
Too much?
Posted by: Infidel
How about something like this:
http://tinyurl.com/m8v2fop
Too much?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 03:53 PM (ycWCI)
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Do you know her religion? I am thinking a nicely bound Bible, if she's Christian.
Posted by: m at May 21, 2017 03:47 PM (VgThI)
Well, we played twenty questions one night. Both of our favorite bedtime stories are the Lord's Prayer. Not sure how devout she is. I was amazed at how many things we have in common. I don't want to assume or step on any toes.
Eris, that is a good idea.
Posted by: m at May 21, 2017 03:47 PM (VgThI)
Well, we played twenty questions one night. Both of our favorite bedtime stories are the Lord's Prayer. Not sure how devout she is. I was amazed at how many things we have in common. I don't want to assume or step on any toes.
Eris, that is a good idea.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 03:54 PM (ie8tB)
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Beebs, I thought the same thing but was too much the lady to say it aloud. But what the hell -- Team Boobs!!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 21, 2017 03:42 PM (NT3RT)
There's a reason we're 'ettes right? Had to tell a guy at the ren faire yesterday he was ok with ogling, he didn't have to do the pc panic & say he was sure I was intelligent too. My friend's hubby was all, nah you can straight out talk to her boobehs, she's good. Poor guy was all relieved.
Beebs, I thought the same thing but was too much the lady to say it aloud. But what the hell -- Team Boobs!!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 21, 2017 03:42 PM (NT3RT)
There's a reason we're 'ettes right? Had to tell a guy at the ren faire yesterday he was ok with ogling, he didn't have to do the pc panic & say he was sure I was intelligent too. My friend's hubby was all, nah you can straight out talk to her boobehs, she's good. Poor guy was all relieved.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 21, 2017 03:54 PM (hscyr)
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The only newspaper types who have impressed me intellect-wise have been more columnists than reporters/journalists. (Nat Hentoff comes to mind.)
The sports "journalists" are the dumbest of all. A friend who was an English major put it this way: English majors are not terribly smart to begin with (he said self-deprecatingly); journalists are even dimmer; and sports journalists are journalism majors who got Cs.
The sports "journalists" are the dumbest of all. A friend who was an English major put it this way: English majors are not terribly smart to begin with (he said self-deprecatingly); journalists are even dimmer; and sports journalists are journalism majors who got Cs.
Posted by: logprof at May 21, 2017 03:55 PM (GsAUU)
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Friggin' Penguins
Posted by: logprof at May 21, 2017 03:56 PM (GsAUU)
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Found gift for grandbaby, any ideas for daughter? I looked for a birthstone necklace, but no luck.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 03:44 PM (ie8tB)
Is there something you've had from your family, from way back, or even from your youth? I would think perhaps that might be most meaningful than anything you could buy. You did already give her the greatest gift and then another, I'm sure at great personal sacrifice. She probably will treasure her time with you more than anything. But, hey, wtf do I know.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 03:44 PM (ie8tB)
Is there something you've had from your family, from way back, or even from your youth? I would think perhaps that might be most meaningful than anything you could buy. You did already give her the greatest gift and then another, I'm sure at great personal sacrifice. She probably will treasure her time with you more than anything. But, hey, wtf do I know.
Posted by: Peaches at May 21, 2017 03:56 PM (EgOr3)
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Well, Happy Birthday, whoever the fuck you are! And, as you probably know, I say that with love. :-)
Posted by: Peaches at May 21, 2017 03:52 PM (EgOr3)
Ssshhhhh - don't tell anyone, but I used to be a Shredded Chi, then just Chi.
(If one of the Cobs see this, I'll be banned under this name, too!)
Posted by: Peaches at May 21, 2017 03:52 PM (EgOr3)
Ssshhhhh - don't tell anyone, but I used to be a Shredded Chi, then just Chi.
(If one of the Cobs see this, I'll be banned under this name, too!)
Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 21, 2017 03:57 PM (M7oLR)
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I'm thinking lots of stuff for grandchild.
I'm thinking lots of stuff for grandchild.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 21, 2017 03:58 PM (HTdUD)
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Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 21, 2017 03:57 PM (M7oLR)
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I was right. *Pats self on back and smirks*
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I was right. *Pats self on back and smirks*
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 03:58 PM (+eKyB)
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Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 21, 2017 03:57 PM (M7oLR)
Aaaahhhhh!!! SCREAMS REAL LOUD!!! xoxoxo to you, my darlin' friend.
Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 21, 2017 03:57 PM (M7oLR)
Aaaahhhhh!!! SCREAMS REAL LOUD!!! xoxoxo to you, my darlin' friend.
Posted by: Peaches at May 21, 2017 03:59 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 03:59 PM (Sfs6o)
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Heh, sort of on topic but my boss just this past week said he'd be inclined not to hire someone who played college football because he probably was helped along and coasted through his classes.
Posted by: logprof at May 21, 2017 04:00 PM (GsAUU)
Posted by: washrivergal at May 21, 2017 04:00 PM (+eKyB)
236
Weasel, keep it on the downlow, sheesh.
Posted by: Peaches at May 21, 2017 04:00 PM (EgOr3)
237
I may not be on Team Boobs- but I cheer like hell for them.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 03:45 PM
You realize that fans of Team Boobs generally suck?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 03:45 PM
You realize that fans of Team Boobs generally suck?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 21, 2017 04:01 PM (DMUuz)
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I saw Smug self-esteem open for whiny assholes at the Richfield Coliseum in '87.
Posted by: fox at May 21, 2017 04:02 PM (kENHD)
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Peaches, I am sort of saving that for later. I have something picked out that is a family heirloom.
http://tinyurl.com/m8v2fop
Too much?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 03:53 PM (ycWCI)
No, just perfect. Maybe she will put both mothers who love her in it.
{{{Fried Bologna Sandwich}}}
Thanks Horde! As always, you come thru in a pinch.
http://tinyurl.com/m8v2fop
Too much?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 03:53 PM (ycWCI)
No, just perfect. Maybe she will put both mothers who love her in it.
{{{Fried Bologna Sandwich}}}
Thanks Horde! As always, you come thru in a pinch.
Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2017 04:03 PM (ie8tB)
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236 Weasel, keep it on the downlow, sheesh.
Posted by: Peaches at May 21, 2017 04:00 PM (EgOr3)
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Ok! oK!
236 Weasel, keep it on the downlow, sheesh.
Posted by: Peaches at May 21, 2017 04:00 PM (EgOr3)
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Ok! oK!
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 04:04 PM (Sfs6o)
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Hey, Weasel.
Another of my favorites. You came up yesterday, BTW, while I had lunch with a friend.
*waves at washrivergal
(I haven't been shy about who I am...)
Another of my favorites. You came up yesterday, BTW, while I had lunch with a friend.
*waves at washrivergal
(I haven't been shy about who I am...)
Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 21, 2017 04:05 PM (M7oLR)
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Ok! oK!
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 04:04 PM (Sfs6o)
Don't make me stop this car . . . :-)
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 04:04 PM (Sfs6o)
Don't make me stop this car . . . :-)
Posted by: Peaches at May 21, 2017 04:06 PM (EgOr3)
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237 I may not be on Team Boobs- but I cheer like hell for them.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 03:45 PM
You realize that fans of Team Boobs generally suck?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 21, 2017 04:01 PM (DMUuz)
Also fans of motorized aquatic sports.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 03:45 PM
You realize that fans of Team Boobs generally suck?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 21, 2017 04:01 PM (DMUuz)
Also fans of motorized aquatic sports.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 04:06 PM (ycWCI)
244
And how is our mutual friend, FBS?
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 04:06 PM (Sfs6o)
245
Don't make me stop this car . . . :-)
Posted by: Peaches at May 21, 2017 04:06 PM (EgOr3)
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Ruh-roh!
Posted by: Peaches at May 21, 2017 04:06 PM (EgOr3)
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Ruh-roh!
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 04:09 PM (Sfs6o)
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244 And how is our mutual friend, FBS?
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 04:06 PM (Sfs6o)
Beautiful, as always. Cooler than the other side of the pillow.
If I only had something more than this silly mutt to offer her...
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 04:06 PM (Sfs6o)
Beautiful, as always. Cooler than the other side of the pillow.
If I only had something more than this silly mutt to offer her...
Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 21, 2017 04:09 PM (M7oLR)
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Tucker, right? How is he? WeaselDog is doing well and says hi.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 04:11 PM (Sfs6o)
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203....and education has produced teenagers and adults who have zero critical thinking skills.
I think the demise of 600 channel television service may in the long run, be a good thing. The rest of it is going to take a long time to correct course.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 21, 2017 03:45 PM (62eBc)
I worry that everyone from parent to child is lazy, which means mental effort in following politics will always take the backseat to memes.
Everyone I know who has decent critical thinking skills were taught them by parents and honed them at school. Just heard a 20-year-old moaning "They didn't teach me XYZ." Reminded her that her high school classmates learned XYZ, but she was too busy making excuses and having her mom call up the principal every time life got hard. One of the XYZs was doing taxes and investing - both taught in senior math - and I rubbed salt in the wound by pointing out that her learning-impaired cousin did her own taxes with Turbo because gosh! she learned to read directions.
My neighbors and I had a sad laugh over the fact that less than 48% of the parents with kids in our local schools are registered to vote. One sarcastically recommended that schools should do something - like a civics class for parents with free booze and wi-fi. And pot. Everyone likes pot.
I think the demise of 600 channel television service may in the long run, be a good thing. The rest of it is going to take a long time to correct course.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 21, 2017 03:45 PM (62eBc)
I worry that everyone from parent to child is lazy, which means mental effort in following politics will always take the backseat to memes.
Everyone I know who has decent critical thinking skills were taught them by parents and honed them at school. Just heard a 20-year-old moaning "They didn't teach me XYZ." Reminded her that her high school classmates learned XYZ, but she was too busy making excuses and having her mom call up the principal every time life got hard. One of the XYZs was doing taxes and investing - both taught in senior math - and I rubbed salt in the wound by pointing out that her learning-impaired cousin did her own taxes with Turbo because gosh! she learned to read directions.
My neighbors and I had a sad laugh over the fact that less than 48% of the parents with kids in our local schools are registered to vote. One sarcastically recommended that schools should do something - like a civics class for parents with free booze and wi-fi. And pot. Everyone likes pot.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 21, 2017 04:18 PM (G8B7r)
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At the Copa Copacabana...
Posted by: Barry Manilow at May 21, 2017 04:20 PM (vRcUp)
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Well the journalists look down on the gender studies people.
Sooooo they got that going for them.
Sooooo they got that going for them.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at May 21, 2017 04:23 PM (npdX6)
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The Poopyhead says HI right back to Olive.
They would be do best friends in a matter of minutes, I guarantee.
They would be do best friends in a matter of minutes, I guarantee.
Posted by: Fried Baloney Sandwich at May 21, 2017 04:23 PM (M7oLR)
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217 Tough one. No gifts. Just enjoy her and her baby and the moment and being reunited. I think she already has all the gifts she needs with you back in her life.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 03:50 PM (5VlCp)
I second this.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2017 03:50 PM (5VlCp)
I second this.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 21, 2017 04:24 PM (G8B7r)
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WD made friends with this ENORMOUS black lab monster dog agpcross the street that probably weighs 150 pounds. They're hilarious together.
Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2017 04:30 PM (Sfs6o)
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Hey, I've seen that journalist intelligence graph before! It's called the Bull Curve!
Posted by: andycanuck at May 21, 2017 04:32 PM (nlbfN)
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Who, what, when, where and why have taken a back seat to push the narrative, push the narrative, push the narrative, push the narrative and push the narrative. - Insomniac
I'm stealing this!
I'm stealing this!
Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 21, 2017 04:32 PM (G8B7r)
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Having been in journalism my entire adult life, I can attest that the results of this study are spot on. The only dumber professionals are college professors.
Posted by: Weiner's Blackberry at May 21, 2017 04:41 PM (XIYer)
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Also fans of motorized aquatic sports.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 04:06 PM
Yes, fans of Team Boobs tend to be keen spectators of submarine races.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 21, 2017 04:06 PM
Yes, fans of Team Boobs tend to be keen spectators of submarine races.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 21, 2017 04:43 PM (DMUuz)
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Wolf Blitzer on Jeopardy.
Posted by: spoonfeed me at May 21, 2017 04:44 PM (tJ4VQ)
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On the upside would you want one of those simpering sniveling liberal urnalists as a plumber or an electrician? I've always suspected that Journalism required as much talent and intelligence as dog walking, at least the dog can help them find their way home. Name one trade that would allow you to keep your license if you acted the way CNN and other liberal media outlets act? Their lack of integrity, and honesty via fabricating news stories would get most professionals fired from their job unfortunately MSM values their lack of ethics?
Posted by: Rose at May 21, 2017 05:11 PM (P7W4k)
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NYTimes Story 'China Killing Our Spies Since 2010' Avoids Using Three Words: Obama, Brennan and Hillary.
Yet They Just Crucified Trump?
NYT: Killing C.I.A. Informants, China Crippled U.S. Spying Operations
"WASHINGTON--The Chinese government systematically dismantled C.I.A. spying operations in the country starting in 2010, killing or imprisoning more than a dozen sources over two years and crippling intelligence gathering there for years afterward.".......
The report continues at length, but never even once is Obama's name used. We didn't have a president in 2010? And evidently, the CIA didn't have a CIA Director or Secretary of State during those years either, because Brennan's and Hillary's names are never used either.
Nor is Hillary's Internet Park Bench server mentioned either, even though she likely got our Iranian spy killed with it, among others. You may compare that to the treatment they just gave to President Trump this week.
That's just how the truly Professional Liars do it, kidz. That's why they're the pros.
Always insist on #ProfesssionalLiar(tm)-Brand News for all your #FakeNews needs!
Again: If Brennan and his Deep State Stooges hadn't been so busy spying on the Congress, the Court, journalists and Trump, they might have actually had time to do their jobs and stop the devastating Snowden, Manning and NSA leaks. And now this Chinese breach.
And BTW, if we're going to see Comey's Notes, let's see ALL Comey's notes, including the ones he made with Obama and Lynch, starting with the period of the Clinton/Lynch Tarmac "Hillary Wants Surveillance on Trump!" Meeting.
Yet They Just Crucified Trump?
NYT: Killing C.I.A. Informants, China Crippled U.S. Spying Operations
"WASHINGTON--The Chinese government systematically dismantled C.I.A. spying operations in the country starting in 2010, killing or imprisoning more than a dozen sources over two years and crippling intelligence gathering there for years afterward.".......
The report continues at length, but never even once is Obama's name used. We didn't have a president in 2010? And evidently, the CIA didn't have a CIA Director or Secretary of State during those years either, because Brennan's and Hillary's names are never used either.
Nor is Hillary's Internet Park Bench server mentioned either, even though she likely got our Iranian spy killed with it, among others. You may compare that to the treatment they just gave to President Trump this week.
That's just how the truly Professional Liars do it, kidz. That's why they're the pros.
Always insist on #ProfesssionalLiar(tm)-Brand News for all your #FakeNews needs!
Again: If Brennan and his Deep State Stooges hadn't been so busy spying on the Congress, the Court, journalists and Trump, they might have actually had time to do their jobs and stop the devastating Snowden, Manning and NSA leaks. And now this Chinese breach.
And BTW, if we're going to see Comey's Notes, let's see ALL Comey's notes, including the ones he made with Obama and Lynch, starting with the period of the Clinton/Lynch Tarmac "Hillary Wants Surveillance on Trump!" Meeting.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at May 21, 2017 05:50 PM (Ndje9)
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Gipper the beauty of notes is you can write them tonight and date them for tomorrow but in the end Comey's note are heresay and not evidence.
Posted by: Rose at May 21, 2017 06:04 PM (P7W4k)
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261 True. Or you can write some brand new ones as needed. It's a joke anyway-it's becoming an investigation about the investigation of the investigation. AKA, The Swamp Fights Back.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at May 21, 2017 06:22 PM (Ndje9)
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