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Islamist Dictator Erdogan's Security Enforcers Bust Heads of Protestors... On American Soil, In the Nation's Capital
#Erdoğan'ın korumaları kavgaya karıştı https://t.co/gsi1iQ68Ye #amerikaninsesi pic.twitter.com/Jv3g5E7AVA
— Amerika'nın Sesi (@VOATurkish) May 17, 2017
US officials confirm to NBC News men who beat protesters outside Turkish Embassy in DC are Pres. Erdogan's bodyguards https://t.co/jaxfflCu7G
— Andrea Mitchell (@mitchellreports) May 17, 2017
"They think they can engage in the same sort of suppression of protest and free speech that they engage in in Turkey," said one protester. Right, and it’s not the first time Erdogan's goon squad has behaved that way. Last year they got frisky with protesters and reporters outside the Brookings Institution, leading the Secret Service to intervene. "This is America!" one agent yelled at one of the thugs.Consequences must follow, up to and including arrest. Diplomatic immunity generally only covers specified persons, usually only top officials and top staff. Others have a more limited immunity, if any at all. Here's the least that can be done: Erdogan's retinues in the future will be denied any sort of immunity whatsoever. If he wants to come, he either comes with thugs subject to arrest and prosecution, or he comes alone. At a minimum. Erdogan is making his own play for rightful "Caliph." Don't kid yourselves. He's positioning himself to be the real Caliph of the Caliphate. Displays of power like this on the soil of the Great Satan will thrill the rootless rowdies who fill the ranks of terrorist organizations. Letting Erdogan go without consequences will make Trump look perilously weak. I didn't mortgage my credibility backing a president who lets Islamists bust heads of protesters on American soil itself.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: mark1971 at May 17, 2017 04:15 PM (xPl2J)
Posted by: Michael the Texan (formerly TEXIT) at May 17, 2017 04:15 PM (nvMvs)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 17, 2017 04:16 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 17, 2017 04:16 PM (8Q5sl)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 17, 2017 04:16 PM (SjImc)
Posted by: Ken in NH at May 17, 2017 04:17 PM (gDMFf)
Posted by: garrett at May 17, 2017 04:17 PM (IR8Kv)
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 17, 2017 04:17 PM (8Q5sl)
Posted by: Glenn John at May 17, 2017 04:18 PM (LilNs)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 17, 2017 04:18 PM (vRcUp)
Posted by: Ken in NH at May 17, 2017 04:17 PM (gDMF
Heh. I'd say Turkey is an ally in name only.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 17, 2017 04:18 PM (8Q5sl)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2017 04:18 PM (g6Mg0)
We just gave a bunch of heavy weapons and vehicles to the Kurds in Syria. Imagine, actually supplying weapons to people that like us.
I think the whole embassy staff needs a persona non grata. And an apology from Erdrogan if he wants to re-staff it.
Posted by: Kristophr at May 17, 2017 04:18 PM (Vkf+s)
Arrest them for assault and revoke their visa.
Posted by: Sponge at May 17, 2017 04:18 PM (xttKs)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 17, 2017 04:18 PM (ul9CR)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 17, 2017 04:18 PM (le7jz)
Posted by: Ken in NH at May 17, 2017 04:19 PM (gDMFf)
Posted by: Chris M at May 17, 2017 04:19 PM (eAZVt)
Don't think they have that over there.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 17, 2017 04:19 PM (aMV0K)
Posted by: Dutch 1960 at May 17, 2017 04:20 PM (ZYbHn)
Posted by: The Chicken at May 17, 2017 04:20 PM (HfqF0)
Posted by: fixerupper at May 17, 2017 04:20 PM (8XRCm)
And let me guess they have diplomatic immunity.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 17, 2017 04:20 PM (493sH)
No, no and FUCK NO!
How many protests have our embassies and consulates endured, you thin-skinned asshats?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 17, 2017 04:20 PM (B+qrE)
Posted by: Colossus of Ben Rhodes at May 17, 2017 04:20 PM (Z3TUG)
Posted by: Ken in NH at May 17, 2017 04:17 PM (gDMF
Heh. I'd say Turkey is an ally in name only.
Posted by: OregonMuse
Then it's past time we officially ended the alliance.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 17, 2017 04:20 PM (aMV0K)
I met a Turkish guy recently and we talked about the referendum and Erdogan and such.
His biggest complaint was that Erdogan is letting in so many foreigners -- mostly Syrians and Zimbabweans -- as to dilute Turkey's national identity. He was fine with letting in Turkic people from the 'stans, but what could Arabs add to his country?*
*(In typical MidEast conspiracy mode, he also blames the Arabs for selling out the Turks and bringing down the Ottoman Empire).
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 17, 2017 04:21 PM (gIRsn)
Posted by: The Turkey at May 17, 2017 04:21 PM (ul9CR)
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at May 17, 2017 04:21 PM (kIxPI)
Posted by: Sausage McMuffin at May 17, 2017 04:21 PM (s0WBY)
Posted by: Strobe at May 17, 2017 04:21 PM (gbWkA)
Posted by: josephistan at May 17, 2017 04:21 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: J Edgar at May 17, 2017 04:22 PM (DpOmP)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 17, 2017 04:22 PM (r5KeJ)
I don't see any blood. It's not a beating until there is blood. There must be blood.
Posted by: Hampton Rhodes at May 17, 2017 04:22 PM (Ssyrx)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 17, 2017 04:22 PM (oGRue)
I did a tour in Turkey in the 80's. Wonderful assignment and fine people.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 17, 2017 04:22 PM (KNB6/)
Give these guys enough rope, and they'll tie you up and beat you too.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at May 17, 2017 04:22 PM (RFeQD)
Posted by: Hampton Rhodes at May 17, 2017 04:22 PM (Ssyrx)
Posted by: James Taylor at May 17, 2017 04:22 PM (JO9+V)
Make Istanbul Constantinople Again!
Posted by: josephistan at May 17, 2017 04:23 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: Yo! at May 17, 2017 04:23 PM (GwIKd)
Posted by: Peaches at May 17, 2017 04:23 PM (EgOr3)
11 Turkey is nominally still an ally, I do not see us going beyond those two options.
Posted by: Ken in NH at May 17, 2017 04:17 PM (gDMF
Heh. I'd say Turkey is an ally in name only.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 17, 2017 04:18 PM (8Q5sl)
AINOS. Niiice.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at May 17, 2017 04:23 PM (kIxPI)
Posted by: Yo! at May 17, 2017 04:23 PM (GwIKd)
Posted by: Sausage McMuffin at May 17, 2017 04:21 PM (s0WBY)
Ridiculous position.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 17, 2017 04:24 PM (+bKWx)
Posted by: Strobe at May 17, 2017 04:24 PM (gbWkA)
Expel the delegation, Erdrogan PNG, move to expel Turkey from NATO.
I'd go so far as working to get Anatolia back for the Greeks if I thought they could run it worth a rat.
My patience is a bit minimal these days, why do you ask...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 17, 2017 04:24 PM (AM1GF)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 17, 2017 04:24 PM (493sH)
I can't wait until that's a Commemorative Stamp.
Posted by: garrett at May 17, 2017 04:24 PM (IR8Kv)
Posted by: The Chicken at May 17, 2017 04:20 PM (HfqF0)
Smashing! May I stick my prick in the mashed potatoes?
Posted by: Just the punchline at May 17, 2017 04:24 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 17, 2017 04:25 PM (AURKQ)
Posted by: Yo! at May 17, 2017 04:25 PM (GwIKd)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 17, 2017 04:25 PM (VdICR)
Posted by: Strobe at May 17, 2017 04:24 PM (gbWkA)
Seems like anyone who has any dealings with them has nothing but hate for them.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 17, 2017 04:25 PM (493sH)
That Chelsea Manning Tweet at WZ right now is fantastic.
I can't wait until that's a Commemorative Stamp.
Posted by: garrett at May 17, 2017 04:24 PM (IR8Kv)
That is some funny shit.
Posted by: IC at May 17, 2017 04:26 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: Bandersnatch
He's probably not entirely wrong...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 17, 2017 04:26 PM (AM1GF)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 17, 2017 04:26 PM (JgG+K)
These aren't Antifa. The Kurds are the good guys--maybe the only indig allies in Iraq who were worth a shit. Stood with us. Those people across from the Turkish embassy were behaving themselves.
Now that Erdogan has purged all the secular Kemalist elements from the Turkish military and government, there is little reason, beyond trying to keep NATO from unraveling, to be friendly. There isn't even any good reason to keep NATO around, since the Soviet Union collapsed a quarter century ago.
Posted by: Monty James at May 17, 2017 04:26 PM (gKOMX)
Posted by: wth at May 17, 2017 04:26 PM (HgMAr)
My patience is a bit minimal these days, why do you ask...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 17, 2017 04:24 PM (AM1GF)
At least give them back Thrace and Constantinople. I want to see the Hagia Sophia a church again
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 17, 2017 04:26 PM (493sH)
Posted by: Hampton Rhodes at May 17, 2017 04:22 PM (Ssyrx)
FAME! I'm gonna live forever.
Posted by: Irene Cara at May 17, 2017 04:26 PM (JO9+V)
I can't wait until that's a Commemorative Stamp.
Posted by: garrett at May 17, 2017 04:24 PM (IR8Kv)
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Holy crap.
I am stranger in my own country. What the actual eff?
Posted by: fixerupper at May 17, 2017 04:26 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Warai-otoko
All against all.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 17, 2017 04:26 PM (AM1GF)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 17, 2017 04:27 PM (fceHP)
Also, I would announce the official recognition of a Kurdish state.
You want to play hardball Erdogan? Let's play.
Note, this is clearly intended to be a message to Trump clearly, to get on board with Turkey's desire to suppress the Kurds in the near east.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 04:27 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 17, 2017 04:27 PM (6Ll1u)
Posted by: IC at May 17, 2017 04:27 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 17, 2017 04:27 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: auscolpyr at May 17, 2017 04:27 PM (suO/a)
I'm going to need a show of strength here.
Posted by: Warden at May 17, 2017 04:27 PM (MZ8Zz)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at May 17, 2017 04:28 PM (ngT9v)
Posted by: The Chicken at May 17, 2017 04:20 PM (HfqF0)
Hey...cluck you!
Posted by: The Turkey at May 17, 2017 04:21 PM (ul9CR)
.........
Leave me out of this.
Posted by: My Pillow at May 17, 2017 04:28 PM (HgMAr)
Need about 500 local vets show up and surround their friggin' embassy.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 17, 2017 04:29 PM (KNB6/)
This is point blank unacceptable and, yeah, I think far worse of Trump for letting it go without a public fit.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at May 17, 2017 04:29 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 17, 2017 04:29 PM (oGRue)
Posted by: Strobe at May 17, 2017 04:29 PM (gbWkA)
Posted by: auscolpyr at May 17, 2017 04:27 PM (suO/a)
heh. yep
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 17, 2017 04:29 PM (fceHP)
Posted by: The Chicken at May 17, 2017 04:20 PM (HfqF0)
Hey...cluck you!
Posted by: The Turkey
.........
Leave me out of this.
Posted by: My Pillow
Us too!
Posted by: The Ducks & Geese near Brother Cavil's bolthole at May 17, 2017 04:29 PM (AM1GF)
Posted by: The Chicken at May 17, 2017 04:29 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: Mr Kreuger at May 17, 2017 04:29 PM (IR8Kv)
yourselves. He's positioning himself to be the real Caliph of the
Caliphate. Displays of power like this on the soil of the Great Satan will thrill the rootless rowdies who fill the ranks of terrorist organizations.
Erdrogan has also been treating Germany like a colony lately.
Oh, and he's Obama's buddy. Of course he is.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 17, 2017 04:29 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: The Political Fez at May 17, 2017 04:29 PM (rUIbB)
Posted by: Kristophr at May 17, 2017 04:30 PM (Vkf+s)
***
Note that Turkish occupation of western Asia minor happened in a comparable time frame to the Spanish conquest of Latin America.
If American Indians have a claim against modern Mexico/Peru/etc, why don't the Greeks have one against the Turks?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 04:30 PM (eSx+E)
David Bowie
All we need is music, sweet music
There'll be music everywhere
They'll be swinging, swaying, records playing,
Dancing in the street, oh
Posted by: Hampton Rhodes at May 17, 2017 04:30 PM (Ssyrx)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 17, 2017 04:18 PM (ul9CR)
Yeah, but they blame Trump for something *every* day.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 17, 2017 04:30 PM (8Q5sl)
Posted by: goon at May 17, 2017 04:30 PM (EaQ6/)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 17, 2017 04:30 PM (MZcWR)
Posted by: The Chicken at May 17, 2017 04:20 PM (HfqF0)
Hey...cluck you!
Posted by: The Turkey at May 17, 2017 04:21 PM (ul9CR)
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yes, yes, embrace the darkmeat side and destroy each other. bwahahahaha
Posted by: the Duck at May 17, 2017 04:30 PM (oGRue)
Posted by: The mass media can all EABOD at May 17, 2017 04:31 PM (WD8qO)
Why? He's supposed to be tough. Eight years of letting the islamist shitbags drag their balls over our face was enough for me. His idiot tweeting and constant undercutting of his own staff and his big mouth aren't worth it if he can't deal with an affront like this from Erdogan appropriately. Fuck him if he blows it.
Posted by: Sausage McMuffin at May 17, 2017 04:31 PM (s0WBY)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 17, 2017 04:31 PM (JgG+K)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 17, 2017 04:29 PM (NOIQH)
Merkel built that! Obama helped with the plan.
Posted by: Peaches at May 17, 2017 04:31 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: Lord Sir x at May 17, 2017 04:31 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 04:30 PM (eSx+E)
Because Turks are brown people.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 17, 2017 04:31 PM (8Q5sl)
I don't think you get to be an ally just by being "probably not quite as bad as a some of the other evil in the region, and letting us use your airspace"
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 17, 2017 04:32 PM (KUaJL)
Many protestors of Erdogan in Turkey have been beaten up, jailed, and probably worse. That they do this here is outrageous and needs to be addressed very strongly. Not like an Obama phone and pen, but like a leader.
Posted by: Cheri at May 17, 2017 04:32 PM (oiNtH)
Another Obama favorite son breaking the law. He loved him some Erdogen or whatever the hell his gobbly gook name is.
Violence is to the Obama left like fat kids to cake. Pretty soon we will all be bustin heads or getting heads busted.
Thanks Obama voters!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 17, 2017 04:32 PM (5VlCp)
See, this is *actually outrageous* but we aren't supposed to pay any attention to this.
This is point blank unacceptable and, yeah, I think far worse of Trump for letting it go without a public fit.
Yes, it is outrageous. Meanwhile, the MSM is so obsessed with their hate for Trump they won;t report this stuff, nor will they give Trump* a moment to deal with anything other than today's SCANDALZ!!!!!
*Not that I'm letting Trump off the hook for not doing something.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 17, 2017 04:32 PM (NOIQH)
***
Actually, I don't get why the cops didn't use their guns.
If you have a mob attacking a small group of people, and you don't have the manpower to stop them physically, you need to move to lethal force.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 04:32 PM (eSx+E)
All we need is music, sweet music
There'll be music everywhere
They'll be swinging, swaying, records playing,
Dancing in the street, oh
Posted by: Hampton Rhodes at May 17, 2017 04:30 PM (Ssyrx)
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Da Fuq?
Posted by: Martha and the Vandellas at May 17, 2017 04:32 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Lord Sir x at May 17, 2017 04:32 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: wth at May 17, 2017 04:33 PM (HgMAr)
Those are reasonable criticisms but nothing impeachable.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 17, 2017 04:33 PM (+bKWx)
Posted by: Billy Ray Valentine at May 17, 2017 04:33 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: The Political Fez at May 17, 2017 04:33 PM (rUIbB)
Yup. Starting to wonder which country has more Turks - Turkey or Germany.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 17, 2017 04:34 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: garrett at May 17, 2017 04:34 PM (IR8Kv)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 17, 2017 04:34 PM (rB2GI)
***
Note that Turkish occupation of western Asia minor happened in a comparable time frame to the Spanish conquest of Latin America.
If American Indians have a claim against modern Mexico/Peru/etc, why don't the Greeks have one against the Turks?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 04:30 PM (eSx+E)
*AHEM*
Posted by: The Hittites at May 17, 2017 04:34 PM (rUIbB)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 17, 2017 04:34 PM (JgG+K)
"Erdogan Thugs" equals protection detail.
Perhaps arrest for threatening a foreign leader would have been better. Then 12 idiots could let them off.
Posted by: nip at May 17, 2017 04:34 PM (vOea4)
Posted by: Kristophr at May 17, 2017 04:30 PM (Vkf+s)
In Iqta Caliphate, Turkey fucks you!
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 17, 2017 04:34 PM (AURKQ)
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 04:32 PM (eSx+E)
Or at least a hickory shampoo.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 17, 2017 04:35 PM (8Q5sl)
Posted by: Mark1971 at May 17, 2017 04:35 PM (xPl2J)
Posted by: Anne Coulter at May 17, 2017 04:35 PM (Skx5n)
Posted by: Jimmy Comey at May 17, 2017 04:35 PM (7CM5W)
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 04:30 PM (eSx+E)
Because Turks are brown people.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 17, 2017 04:31 PM (8Q5sl)
IIRC, Turkey has the highest rate of people with green eyes in the world.
Posted by: The Ocular Hat at May 17, 2017 04:35 PM (rUIbB)
Author and anti-Islam crusader Robert Spencer of JihadWatch was deliberately poisoned in Iceland the other day.
Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2017 04:35 PM (BPeNq)
Posted by: Yo! at May 17, 2017 04:35 PM (GwIKd)
Many protestors of Erdogan in Turkey have been beaten up, jailed, and probably worse. That they do this here is outrageous and needs to be addressed very strongly. Not like an Obama phone and pen, but like a leader.
Posted by: Cheri at May 17, 2017 04:32 PM (oiNtH)
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The same thing is happening in Caracas as we speak. Over 50 dead, God knows how many injured.
Posted by: GOULD at May 17, 2017 04:35 PM (Hj4t4)
If the former, the appropriate line of action is to demand that Turkey turn over the people in question or that a state of war exists between our two countries.
This is no different then if the US had sent a squad of marines into Turkey to assault Turkish citizens.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 04:36 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: Diogenes at May 17, 2017 04:36 PM (KNB6/)
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 17, 2017 04:36 PM (+bKWx)
Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2017 04:36 PM (BPeNq)
Posted by: The Ocular Hat at May 17, 2017 04:35 PM (rUIbB)
Green, black, whatever.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 17, 2017 04:36 PM (AURKQ)
That will calm things down immediately.
Nothing like a little time out to bring unruly children to their senses.
Posted by: Hampton Rhodes at May 17, 2017 04:36 PM (Ssyrx)
Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2017 04:35 PM (BPeNq)
Damn . . . has anyone started blaming Trump for that yet?
Posted by: Peaches at May 17, 2017 04:37 PM (EgOr3)
Is this typical of that police force?
If so, no wonder DC has out-of-control crime.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 17, 2017 04:37 PM (rF0hx)
Yup. Starting to wonder which country has more Turks - Turkey or Germany.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 17, 2017 04:34 PM (NOIQH)
To be fair, Turks have been migrating to Germany in large numbers long before Merkel arrived on the scene.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 17, 2017 04:37 PM (8Q5sl)
***
The Turkish nobility preferred to take Christian slave girls from the Caucus, where blond hair and green eyes are common.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 04:37 PM (eSx+E)
I'm not saying it is, but it's hard enough to defend him as it is. I don't see the point if he's just going to be another 4 years doing sweet FA about the muslim fanatics who want to destroy us and right now are showing zero respect for our values, immediately after being feted at the White House.
Posted by: Sausage McMuffin at May 17, 2017 04:37 PM (s0WBY)
I congratulate DC on hiring the nation's first eunuch police chief.
Posted by: Fringe at May 17, 2017 04:37 PM (HQjFY)
Well, this and banging a young Whitney Houston.
Posted by: Kevin Costner at May 17, 2017 04:37 PM (IR8Kv)
Posted by: Kristophr at May 17, 2017 04:30 PM (Vkf+s)
............
Chickens are way tighter.
Posted by: James Comey at May 17, 2017 04:37 PM (HgMAr)
--
Not yet.
They have the guy.
Wonder if he'll be charged.
/my guess is "no intent to harm" "mentally ill"
Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2017 04:38 PM (BPeNq)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 17, 2017 04:34 PM (JgG+K)
Turks hate the Iranians hate the Arabs hate the Iranians hate the Turks hat the Arabs hate the Turks.
Kurds are speakers of an Iranian language, BTW.
Posted by: The Linguistic Hat at May 17, 2017 04:38 PM (rUIbB)
Posted by: Apollo Creed's corner man at May 17, 2017 04:38 PM (JO9+V)
That leftists act as the moslems' vanguard isn't new; they killed Pim Fortuyn.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at May 17, 2017 04:38 PM (ngT9v)
Posted by: Chris M at May 17, 2017 04:38 PM (eAZVt)
Posted by: Barky at May 17, 2017 04:39 PM (7CM5W)
Posted by: Diogenes at May 17, 2017 04:39 PM (KNB6/)
Posted by: Mark1971 at May 17, 2017 04:39 PM (xPl2J)
I congratulate DC on hiring the nation's first eunuch police chief.
Posted by: Fringe at May 17, 2017 04:37 PM (HQjFY)
So during an armed robbery the DC cops will stand aside?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 17, 2017 04:39 PM (493sH)
Posted by: Jimmy Comey at May 17, 2017 04:35 PM (7CM5W)
The Bureau of Land Management? What do those guys have to do with anything?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 17, 2017 04:40 PM (8Q5sl)
and free speech that they engage in in Turkey," said one protester.
Sure they do, and sure they can. What is going to stop them? Diplomatic immunity is in play I'm sure -officially or unofficially.
It's not like you can defend yourself in DC, isn't that right you left wing anti-2A libtards.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 17, 2017 04:40 PM (jxbfJ)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 17, 2017 04:40 PM (NOIQH)
***
Note that Turkish occupation of western Asia minor happened in a comparable time frame to the Spanish conquest of Latin America.
If American Indians have a claim against modern Mexico/Peru/etc, why don't the Greeks have one against the Turks?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 04:30 PM (eSx+E)
Most Europeans up to and including the Greatest Generation had a visceral disgust for the Turks because they well knew the history of their own countries and how at some point they faced invasion and worse at the hands of the Turks. ( calling someone a 'Turk' was a really nasty insult for not only the Greeks.) Once modern times hit, history has been whitewashed; human nature ignored; and everyone can just visualize world peace!
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at May 17, 2017 04:40 PM (oQQwD)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 17, 2017 04:40 PM (JgG+K)
Posted by: Hikaru at May 17, 2017 04:40 PM (luj3F)
Posted by: The Linguistic Hat at May 17, 2017 04:38 PM (rUIbB)
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Farsi is the Iranian language.
The Kurds speak Kurdish, which is further broken down down into 3 or 4, I dont remember which, dialects.
Posted by: Martha and the Vandellas at May 17, 2017 04:40 PM (8XRCm)
I agree this requires a response. Might even be a strong Presidential moment for Trump. And he needs one
Posted by: Maritime at May 17, 2017 04:40 PM (Pa8uy)
sigh
Posted by: fixerupper at May 17, 2017 04:40 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Mark1971 at May 17, 2017 04:39 PM (xPl2J)
As God is my witness, I thought Turks could fly.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 17, 2017 04:40 PM (8Q5sl)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at May 17, 2017 04:41 PM (ngT9v)
You have the right to a beating on the street. If the police cannot be there to administer the beating we will find paramilitaries to beat you...You have the the right to...
Posted by: furious at May 17, 2017 04:41 PM (WOb/E)
One night they got ambushed and Don figured that was his night to die. Watched them execute every turk he was with. A kid with a pistol pointed it at him and pulled the trigger.
He awoke alone with a graze wound. He ultimately believed they were out for retribution and allowed him to live.
He recorded that story into a cassette for my son that was about 12 at the time. It was for a book report he was doing at school.
My son brought it to me with tears in his eyes and when I heard it my allergies kicked in as well. He never told his wife or kids that story. I still look for that tape that was made about 25 years ago.
Posted by: DanMan at May 17, 2017 04:41 PM (XTiHL)
Posted by: Seem Moron at May 17, 2017 04:41 PM (7CM5W)
The doctor also claimed it was not a "serious poisoning" even though Spencer was rushed to the hospital.
Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2017 04:41 PM (BPeNq)
Posted by: USNtakim at May 17, 2017 04:41 PM (zZWkn)
As God is my witness, I thought they
Posted by: George "Herb" Bush at May 17, 2017 04:41 PM (xcD6D)
Arrest them and then Les Nessman drop them out of a helicopter.
Posted by: Mark1971 at May 17, 2017 04:39 PM (xPl2J)
"As God as my witness..............."
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 17, 2017 04:42 PM (jxbfJ)
Posted by: Fringe at May 17, 2017 04:37 PM (HQjFY)
So during an armed robbery the DC cops will stand aside?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 17, 2017 04:39 PM (493sH)
They're just super-busy explaining that Seth Rich's murder was a simple robbery where he didn't actually get robbed.
Posted by: Peaches at May 17, 2017 04:42 PM (EgOr3)
And, foolish as it man seem, crap like this is why I don't buy Turkish firearms, even if they are inexpensive.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2017 04:42 PM (HGR30)
Posted by: The Cockroach at May 17, 2017 04:42 PM (Z3TUG)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at May 17, 2017 04:42 PM (ngT9v)
Posted by: Diogenes at May 17, 2017 04:39 PM (KNB6/)
What, are there Clintons involved?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 17, 2017 04:42 PM (8Q5sl)
You can mortgage credibility? How much do they give you for something like that?
Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at May 17, 2017 04:42 PM (wTvP+)
Posted by: wth at May 17, 2017 04:43 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: steevy at May 17, 2017 04:43 PM (rmVvL)
--
My Dad was in Korea as Marine.
They dealt with Turks and said the same thing. Effing ruthless. One had a bag of gold teeth from those he killed.
Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2017 04:43 PM (BPeNq)
The protestors were across the street in a public park. They were behaving themselves, and were not threatening the Turkish embassy.
Unless you mean to imply that exercising Constitutional rights on American soil is not "behaving".
Posted by: Monty James at May 17, 2017 04:43 PM (gKOMX)
Posted by: The Cockroach at May 17, 2017 04:43 PM (Z3TUG)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 17, 2017 04:43 PM (JgG+K)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2017 04:44 PM (HGR30)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at May 17, 2017 04:42 PM (ngT9v)
Heh. "Pashto, Ossetian, and Sogdian" sounds like a law firm.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 17, 2017 04:44 PM (8Q5sl)
Posted by: MAC-SOG at May 17, 2017 04:44 PM (QPdNE)
Posted by: Jimmy Comey at May 17, 2017 04:35 PM (7CM5W)
The Bureau of Land Management? What do those guys have to do with anything?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 17, 2017 04:40 PM (8Q5sl)
Lol.
Posted by: Mamma Jamma at May 17, 2017 04:44 PM (7CM5W)
Posted by: Hampton Rhodes at May 17, 2017 04:44 PM (Ssyrx)
-Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at May 17, 2017 04:42 PM (wTvP+)
It depends on the power you seek to attain.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at May 17, 2017 04:44 PM (6gk0M)
No time to think about tomorrow
But there's no way to deny it
One day you're gonna buy it!
Ferryman, Ferryman
He's the man with the plan, the man with the plot
Ferryman, Ferryman
He's the mortician man who cares...a lot.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 17, 2017 04:44 PM (ul9CR)
***
So a rough history of the region is that the Greeks were living in the western part Asian minor for about as far back as can be traced.
The Hittites had lived in the interior and eastern parts, but the historical record only gets particularly clear about the time Persia conquered the region.
Macedon, nominally as an alliance of the Greek peoples, conquered the Persian empire. Slowly the former empire was converted to Greek culture to varying degrees.
But the interior parts of Asia Minor did mantain their own distinct culture. Some Byzantine emperors came from this area (eg Leo the Isaurian) and were not really considered fully Greek.
It isn't clear how much the later Turkish invaders killed the Greeks vs converted them to their culture/religion, but after the fall of the Ottoman Empire Turkey and Greece did have population exchanges.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 04:44 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: Donald at May 17, 2017 04:44 PM (hFkCl)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 17, 2017 04:45 PM (oVJmc)
he stops as soon as he sees it is a cop. But, it's a close call.
Posted by: garrett at May 17, 2017 04:45 PM (IR8Kv)
Posted by: United Airlines mgt at May 17, 2017 04:45 PM (ngT9v)
--
My Dad was in Korea as Marine.
They dealt with Turks and said the same thing. Effing ruthless. One had a bag of gold teeth from those he killed.
Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2017 04:43 PM (BPeNq)
LTC Anthony Hubert had the same to say. The Turks loved to get in close with bayonets. They'd stick in, twist the rifle and slam the forend with their fist, often disembowling the happy son of heaven.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2017 04:45 PM (HGR30)
You let people drag their balls over your face for 8 years? No wonder you're pissed!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at May 17, 2017 04:45 PM (9H8W1)
Posted by: Jonny MacCain at May 17, 2017 04:45 PM (7CM5W)
Posted by: garrett at May 17, 2017 04:46 PM (IR8Kv)
"Why
have you halted?" roared the commander of a division at Chickamauga,
who had ordered a charge; "move forward, sir, at once."
"General,"
said the commander of the delinquent brigade, "I am persuaded that any
further display of valor by my troops will bring them into collision
with the enemy."
Posted by: Bierce, Devil's Dictionary at May 17, 2017 04:46 PM (yqvys)
They are even more useless now, and in fact are a danger to themselves and others.
We can't kick them out of the EU, Europe must do that.
We can't unilaterally kick them out of NATO.
However, since NATO is basically us and some itty-bittys saying "me too", we should insist they get the boot from NATO.
They're not an ally and it is a marriage of convenience only for the Turks.
It's a bad relationship and has to end.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 17, 2017 04:46 PM (z79tQ)
Posted by: Dr. Johnny Fever at May 17, 2017 04:47 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at May 17, 2017 04:42 PM (wTvP+)
Not even a reach around
Posted by: MAC-SOG at May 17, 2017 04:47 PM (QPdNE)
Posted by: fixerupper at May 17, 2017 04:47 PM (8XRCm)
he stops as soon as he sees it is a cop. But, it's a close call.
Posted by: garrett at May 17, 2017 04:45 PM (IR8Kv)
What's wrong with our police? He should be dead.
Posted by: Some Moron at May 17, 2017 04:47 PM (7CM5W)
Posted by: Yo! at May 17, 2017 04:48 PM (GwIKd)
he stops as soon as he sees it is a cop. But, it's a close call.
Posted by: garrett at May 17, 2017 04:45 PM (IR8Kv)
His sidearm?
In DC? Where I can't carry?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 17, 2017 04:48 PM (fD1ST)
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 04:44 PM (eSx+E)
Actually there was a war between Greece and Turkey in 1921 or 1922. The Greeks got off to a good start but the offensives collapsed and they failed to retake Constantinople or the western parts of Anatolia. The Turks slaughter Greeks in Turkish held areas. After the war ended that's when the population exchanges took place. I believe mostly to protect what was left of the Greeks in Anatolia
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 17, 2017 04:48 PM (493sH)
> he stops as soon as he sees it is a cop. But, it's a close call.
The officer should have immediately dropped him like the diseased mongrel he is.
Posted by: Fringe at May 17, 2017 04:48 PM (HQjFY)
Posted by: MacGruber at May 17, 2017 04:48 PM (sgrzZ)
Posted by: Hampton Rhodes at May 17, 2017 04:49 PM (Ssyrx)
Posted by: Cheri at May 17, 2017 04:49 PM (oiNtH)
They dealt with Turks and said the same thing. Effing ruthless. One had a bag of gold teeth from those he killed.
Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2017 04:43 PM (BPeNq)
Grand Vizier Kara Mustafa Pasha was a pussy, just like Merkel is now.
I'll show you all how it's done!
Posted by: Sultan Edrogan I at May 17, 2017 04:50 PM (rUIbB)
Posted by: Cheri at May 17, 2017 04:49 PM (oiNtH)
------
Phew.
Good thing it wasn't the Stars and Bars.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 17, 2017 04:50 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Cheri at May 17, 2017 04:49 PM (oiNtH)
See! They deserved it!
Posted by: Turk Thugs at May 17, 2017 04:50 PM (7CM5W)
In DC? Where I can't carry?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 17, 2017 04:48 PM (fD1ST)
You're not a peaceful mooslim like these folks are.
Posted by: Peaches at May 17, 2017 04:50 PM (EgOr3)
---
And another war in 1960 something, fifty something. Turkish paratroops dropped on Cyprus and the Island is still divided.
Posted by: Hampton Rhodes at May 17, 2017 04:50 PM (Ssyrx)
and the Turk clears himself and reaches for his sidearm...
***
This tends to indicate this action was planned. The Turkish agents were prepared to deal with the possibility that there would be cops trying to stop them with something less than lethal force, and that they would not fight with them....
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 04:50 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2017 04:50 PM (BPeNq)
Like Blind Faith.
Posted by: garrett at May 17, 2017 04:46 PM (IR8Kv)
Both with a penchant for naked underage girls...
Posted by: Malmo means Rape at May 17, 2017 04:51 PM (rUIbB)
Incilirk Base is pretty important right now but yes eventually this needs to be done.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 17, 2017 04:51 PM (+bKWx)
Posted by: fixerupper at May 17, 2017 04:51 PM (8XRCm)
Like Blind Faith.
And the Damn Yankees
/ducks
Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2017 04:50 PM (BPeNq)
"Smile when you say Damn Yankees...."
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2017 04:51 PM (HGR30)
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 17, 2017 04:48 PM (fD1ST)
--
You're not a peaceful mooslim like these folks are.
Posted by: Peaches at May 17, 2017 04:50 PM
--
Rules for some, but not for others.
We don't have muslime privilege.
Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2017 04:52 PM (BPeNq)
Posted by: melski at May 17, 2017 04:54 PM (bD2nl)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 17, 2017 04:54 PM (JgG+K)
I congratulate DC on hiring the nation's first eunuch police chief.
Posted by: Fringe at May 17, 2017 04:37 PM (HQjFY)
Holy crap. Again, isn't being armed in DC part of the entire f*cking point?
These are just like current illegal alien rules. Let a 'ron rob a bank or commit and profit from identity theft every single day for 20 years and watch the overwhelming compassion from these same people.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 17, 2017 04:54 PM (fD1ST)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at May 17, 2017 04:54 PM (6gk0M)
We have limited choices as citizens and voters.
In fact, for the most part, we have almost no real choices.
Which is kinda sorta the problem - "two party system" with parties that are indistinguishable on key matters (as a practical matter) is, um, a trap, not a system.
Anyway, given the degradation of the nation represented by having that idiot non-entity Obama elected, and RE-ELECTED FFS, and having the stupid sociopathic criminal Clinton run for president, I just can't understand people having this sort of suburban-oh-what-will-the-neighbors-think-of-me mindset.
And in many concrete ways, Trump is performing well - EOs, appointments, etc. - far better than Dubya in many respects. As I said yesterday, I'm puzzled by your and others' dismissal of Trump as failing, until I see a list of particulars. I have my own, but they all are yuuuuge things that few if any presidents have ever faced, and my dismay is based on Trump not out-performing any president in our lifetimes, because that's the scale of what we're talking about - not on his failing by any conventional measure.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2017 04:54 PM (QDnY+)
***
Before Iran intervened in the recent Iraq war (against us), they were highly concerned that America would give aid to their various unhappy ethnic minorities.
In fact, I remember the FNM navel gazing about how terrible it would be for America to support the terrorists in Iran opposing the Iranian government while suppressing how much Iran was responsible for creating the Iraqi "resistance".
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 04:54 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: Hampton Rhodes at May 17, 2017 04:50 PM (Ssyrx)
That was 1974, after it look like Cyprus might become part of Greece again (Enosis). The Turks took over the northern half claiming they were protecting Turks on the island.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 17, 2017 04:54 PM (493sH)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 17, 2017 04:54 PM (fceHP)
Posted by: Malmo means Rape at May 17, 2017 04:51 PM
Whuchoo talkin bout, Willis?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 17, 2017 04:54 PM (8Q5sl)
Has nothing to do with being a Muslim. Has to do with being embassy security.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at May 17, 2017 04:55 PM (9H8W1)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 17, 2017 04:48 PM (493sH)
No general history book of the Greco-Turkish War exists in English, it's my white whale of military history books.
Posted by: josephistan at May 17, 2017 04:55 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 04:44 PM (eSx+E)
The Mongol Hordes made it to Anatolia as well, hence the Uyghurs.
Posted by: Texas Dan at May 17, 2017 04:55 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: Peaches at May 17, 2017 04:56 PM (EgOr3)
Droopy Dog?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 17, 2017 04:54 PM (fceHP)
I don't get that one at all or considering DNC buttboy McCabe.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 17, 2017 04:56 PM (493sH)
Posted by: Diogenes at May 17, 2017 04:57 PM (KNB6/)
Posted by: josephistan at May 17, 2017 04:55 PM (7HtZB)
Does Osprey Publishing have a book on it? They seem to cover everything.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 17, 2017 04:57 PM (493sH)
-Posted by: Peaches at May 17, 2017 04:56 PM (EgOr3)
The Morons are still funny.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at May 17, 2017 04:57 PM (6gk0M)
I understand why he met with him, but absent a strongly worded apology from this son of a bitch, he shouldn't meet with him ever again.
And frankly it's time to start reviewing CIA plans for a coup.
Turkey came close to a popular revolution twice in the past five years -- Obama did nothing or actively bailed him out.
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 04:58 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at May 17, 2017 04:58 PM (6gk0M)
Posted by: Peaches at May 17, 2017 04:58 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 17, 2017 04:58 PM (fceHP)
remember lefties said we couldn't touch erdogan because he was democratically elected.
Trump? not so much.
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at May 17, 2017 04:59 PM (g9A94)
So an embassy employee shooting the video?
Posted by: Texas Dan at May 17, 2017 04:59 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: goodluckduck at May 17, 2017 04:59 PM (yqvys)
Gen. Kelly to Pres. Trump "you can use that on the press" after he receives ceremonial saber from USCG Academy
Trump: "Yeah, that's right"
https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/864913257060081665
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at May 17, 2017 04:59 PM (hMwEB)
Sorry Ace. Looks like you did. And foreclosure is imminent.
Posted by: Gryph at May 17, 2017 05:00 PM (Kbjsn)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 17, 2017 05:00 PM (KP5rU)
***
A competent, unleashed, pro-American CIA could have done wonders in Venezuela, Iran, and Turkey.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 05:00 PM (eSx+E)
Of course, the real right does more than moan and swing their hands about demanding arrests from institutions that won't deliver. The Kids would be better off getting security from them than from the DC police.
But then so would we all.
Posted by: trev006 at May 17, 2017 05:00 PM (LjVLD)
Posted by: trev006 at May 17, 2017 05:00 PM (LjVLD)
Counter intell trying to ID the protestors.
Standard practice.
Everyone does it.
Posted by: Hampton Rhodes at May 17, 2017 05:00 PM (Ssyrx)
Posted by: CN at May 17, 2017 05:01 PM (2+tI4)
Posted by: Gryph at May 17, 2017 05:00 PM (Kbjsn)
Elaborate, fucknut.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 17, 2017 05:01 PM (VdICR)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 17, 2017 05:01 PM (IqV8l)
Erdogan is making his own play for rightful "Caliph." Don't kid
yourselves. He's positioning himself to be the real Caliph of the
Caliphate.
Wasn't he sort of a "daddy" figure to TFG?
*considers making additional comment*
*stops*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 17, 2017 05:01 PM (PY9jH)
Funny you bring up dubya. I feel like it's 2006, and i'm getting tired of feeling like the president can't put out his fires himself and he needs the citizen bucket brigades every few days.
I'm alarmed by this disclosure story. I don't know what he said, but I find it alarming that Cruz isn't willing to support Trump until he gets to the facts.
This could all be made up, true, but I'm worried it's not.
And even if it is true, I could sort of say "Eh, mistakes happen." But I don't see any learning going on here.
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:01 PM (8rNrN)
Trump: "Yeah, that's right"
https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/864913257060081665
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at May 17, 2017 04:59 PM (hMwEB)
ha, yea
Here's a great video, too. End your day with a country song.
I Think My Dog's a Democrat Bryan Lewis Official Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3VLqLLWxbQ
you won't regret watching it
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 17, 2017 05:02 PM (fceHP)
Posted by: josephistan at May 17, 2017 04:55 PM (7HtZB)
Does Osprey Publishing have a book on it? They seem to cover everything.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 17, 2017 04:57 PM (493sH)
They recently did one on the uniforms, but I was disappointed to see that the war itself got scant description, even in the thin format of an Osprey MAA series book. It was just about the uniforms.
"Fun" fact about the war - the Turks burned the city of Symrna, which had been occupied by the Greeks & killed hundreds of thousands of Christians. The date the fire was set? September 11, 1922*
Some sources say September 13th.
Posted by: josephistan at May 17, 2017 05:02 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 04:58 PM (8rNrN)
I don't know if the CIA can really handle two open fronts.
They seem pretty busy trying to bring down Trump.
Posted by: Texas Dan at May 17, 2017 05:02 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at May 17, 2017 05:02 PM (6gk0M)
Droopy Dog?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 17, 2017 04:54 PM (fceHP)
He hated Obama, better than Garland
Posted by: CN at May 17, 2017 05:02 PM (2+tI4)
Trump probably doesn't give a shit about this because it's not directly about him.
Posted by: MacGruber at May 17, 2017 05:03 PM (sgrzZ)
Sorry Ace. Looks like you did. And foreclosure is imminent.
Posted by: Gryph at May 17, 2017 05:00 PM (Kbjsn)
...
jesus you faggots are obsessed with me.
Does that ever make you feel a like a cunt?
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:03 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 17, 2017 05:01 PM (IqV8l)
That's precisely what I meant. We have all the leverage there.
Of course it will never happen. But we could.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 17, 2017 05:03 PM (z79tQ)
Posted by: Fritz at May 17, 2017 05:03 PM (TNQMS)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 17, 2017 05:03 PM (IqV8l)
I understand why he met with him, but absent a strongly worded apology from this son of a bitch, he shouldn't meet with him ever again.
And frankly it's time to start reviewing CIA plans for a coup.
Turkey came close to a popular revolution twice in the past five years -- Obama did nothing or actively bailed him out.
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 04:58 PM (8rNrN)
If it were not for the fact that I can't stand virtually all of Europe, Iran, Syria, Russia and much of the rest of the Middle East except for Israel, I would say to hell with the lot of them.
But, in a real world situation, we have to pick between projectile chronic colitis and shingles of the eye.
Bottom line: Erdogan should be asked to leave the country at a minimum for this behavior. Beyond that, removal from NATO and concurrently a coup to restore the Ataturks/Kemalists.
And it better not turn into a Turhan Bey of Pigs.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 17, 2017 05:03 PM (mbhDw)
-"Posted by: Gryph at May 17, 2017 05:00 PM (Kbjsn)
Here we go...
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at May 17, 2017 05:03 PM (6gk0M)
They seem pretty busy trying to bring down Trump.
...
indeed. but maybe this would help distract them, overthrowing a foreign dictator instead of illegally trying to overthrown our duly elected president.
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:04 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 17, 2017 05:04 PM (PY9jH)
Sorry Ace. Looks like you did. And foreclosure is imminent.
Posted by: Gryph at May 17, 2017 05:00 PM (Kbjsn)
Go ask President Hillary Clinton how she feels. Oh, wait a moment . . .
Sheesh.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 17, 2017 05:04 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Hampton Rhodes at May 17, 2017 05:05 PM (Ssyrx)
Do you have anything going on in your life?
Have you ever known the loving touch of a woman?
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:05 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at May 17, 2017 05:03 PM (6gk0M)
jesus you faggots are obsessed with me.
Does that ever make you feel a like a cunt?
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:03 PM (8rNrN)
Too late, he already gone!
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 17, 2017 05:06 PM (z79tQ)
This could all be made up, true, but I'm worried it's not.
And even if it is true, I could sort of say "Eh, mistakes happen." But I don't see any learning going on here.
Posted by: ace
***********
I find it alarming even staunch GOP types can't muster the nerve to say this is all bullshit. We dealt with lockstep libs and their gop doggies not push for special pros for Obama BS. But some oddly worded hearsay is enough to make them take pause.
Fine, whatever, the GOP feels its destiny is to be forever out in the cold, looking in and they're doing what they can to make that happen.
impeach trump, see how long it'll be before any gop has any power indc again.
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at May 17, 2017 05:06 PM (g9A94)
Posted by: SFGoth at May 17, 2017 05:06 PM (dZ756)
Soundtrack isn't quite as good as the first. I like Brandy -- I've told my kids way back how it was on my list of great cheesy songs. They also did a literal shout out to Sam Cooke, one of my favorites, with Bring it on Home to Me. Cooke's live version is even better and is on Live at the Harlem Square Club, on my short list of best albums ever.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 17, 2017 05:06 PM (SIY7D)
Posted by: Hampton Rhodes at May 17, 2017 05:05 PM (Ssyrx)
The other big-ass fly in the ointment is the CIA and the rest of the government hates Trump. Bringing us back to the question how does one use the instrumentalities of government to right the ship of state when the instrumentalities themselves are responsible for it going down in the first place?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 17, 2017 05:06 PM (mbhDw)
*surreptitiously sidles toward an exit*
Posted by: Hampton Rhodes at May 17, 2017 05:07 PM (Ssyrx)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 17, 2017 05:07 PM (PY9jH)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 17, 2017 05:07 PM (KP5rU)
*********
hmm, what have I missed in the comments these days. Glad I deleveraged my poly-blog viewing
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at May 17, 2017 05:07 PM (g9A94)
Have you ever known the loving touch of a woman?
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:05 PM (8rNrN)
Being spanked by momma does not count, I imagine. Although in a few of the trolls in question, that should not be discounted outright.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 17, 2017 05:08 PM (mbhDw)
We couldn't.
Posted by: SFGoth at May 17, 2017 05:06 PM (dZ756)
Not since 1913.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 17, 2017 05:08 PM (mbhDw)
It would be nice if Erdogan could rein in his dogs, and nicer still if we treated Turkey as an enemy. If we can't, and the American government decides to play nice with them, maybe Americans can join the protest like in Berkeley.
What's stopping you?
Posted by: trev006 at May 17, 2017 05:09 PM (LjVLD)
how would I know that as a fact? No one has the story yet. We have spin from the media and likely spin from Trump.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying, how would i state something outside of my knowledge with the confidence you display?
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:09 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at May 17, 2017 05:09 PM (9H8W1)
Posted by: goon at May 17, 2017 05:09 PM (EaQ6/)
D.C. Keystone Cops are on the case. We'll get to the bottom of this incident as soon as we solve the Seth Rich murder. Bank on it.
Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at May 17, 2017 05:09 PM (0ucZF)
the trolls in question, that should not be discounted outright.
DON'T JUDGE MEEEEEEEEEEEE!!11
Posted by: palin steele at May 17, 2017 05:10 PM (FwRqg)
Muslims like Erdogan play the hudna game where they hold out the promise of future help and alliance while they build forces against you.
Name something Erdogan has actually done for us.
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:10 PM (8rNrN)
The GOP is too dickless to survive. America is without any protection.
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at May 17, 2017 05:10 PM (g9A94)
it just confirms my gut instinct about Cruz.
Rand Paul is calling it bullshit.
Posted by: Lord Sir x at May 17, 2017 05:10 PM (nFwvY)
I doubt they'll do that. Erdogan likes to strut around like a toughguy.
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:10 PM (8rNrN)
Genghis Khan is to blame for Vanilla Ice?
Posted by: wooga at May 17, 2017 05:10 PM (xcD6D)
Posted by: Jean at May 17, 2017 05:11 PM (zZb/S)
how would I know that as a fact? No one has the story yet. We have spin from the media and likely spin from Trump.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying, how would i state something outside of my knowledge with the confidence you display?
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:09 PM (8rNrN)
THIS. Plus the fact we know the less-than-stellar track records of people like McStains, McConnell and others as well as the so-called "conservative" media types which muddles everything.
We wouldn't know we're in a cave for the black hole that surrounds it.
What a pickle.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 17, 2017 05:11 PM (mbhDw)
Rand Paul is calling it bullshit.
...
I hadn't heard that.
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:12 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 17, 2017 05:12 PM (mbhDw)
the rest of the government hates Trump. Bringing us back to the
question how does one use the instrumentalities of government to right
the ship of state when the instrumentalities themselves are responsible
for it going down in the first place?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 17, 2017 05:06 PM (mbhDw)
And again I say... It really isn't Trump they hate. It is us for having that audacity to tell them no. This is an assault on the American people via a Trump proxy and needs to be treated accordingly.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 17, 2017 05:12 PM (9nCnN)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at May 17, 2017 05:12 PM (9H8W1)
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I base this on what I saw McCain say earlier and then you said even Cruz is all like whoa.
In a perfect world in which I was a senator from a safe red state, I'd say:
1. this is a continual wave of bullshit hearsay that's been wrong every time.
2. This doesn't rise to anywhere near the outrage that the left is trying to build it up to be. So calm down, trump is here to stay for at least 7 more years, and probably if trump gets the economy back.
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at May 17, 2017 05:12 PM (g9A94)
Then sit back and watch the show.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 17, 2017 05:12 PM (CPk08)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 17, 2017 05:12 PM (KP5rU)
So Ankara is certainly not above pulling some unprecedented (post-WWII) shit these days.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2017 05:13 PM (QDnY+)
Yeah! Where the FBI gets to decide if they want to impeach a president by falsely accusing him of treason.
Posted by: andycanuck at May 17, 2017 05:13 PM (nlbfN)
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even the elf prince Kucinich is calling these leaks Bullshit.
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at May 17, 2017 05:13 PM (g9A94)
Posted by: Yo! at May 17, 2017 05:13 PM (GwIKd)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 17, 2017 05:06 PM (mbhDw)
Between your comment and Rhomboids comment upthread is why I feel (yeah, I know) many can't Chillax like Ace would like.
Feeling like you have some control over your environment is important to people, and if screaming and screeching and tweeting is all you can do, you may still fool yourself into thinking it makes a difference. IMHO that is better than knowing you are impotent to effect any change within our system.
That still leaves options but
[redacted]
nevermind.
I know several people who keep an weather-eye on the horizon only so they'll know when it's time.
Time for what?
You'll know.
When it's time.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 17, 2017 05:13 PM (z79tQ)
Posted by: trev006 at May 17, 2017 05:09 PM (LjVLD)
Oh here we go.
I loved the post years ago where Ace called some guy out and offered to let him guest blog, when the guy decided to take it upon himself to call Ace a chickenshit and how to run his life and blog.
I predict Sharknado vs. Aliens movie-review level headstomping in the near future.
Posted by: Texas Dan at May 17, 2017 05:13 PM (yL25O)
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That's just it. They don't want the power. They want the money, cocktail parties, and perks.
Posted by: Soona at May 17, 2017 05:13 PM (Fmupd)
You're the second person who's liked the second Guardians more than the first. Which is fine, I think the first is stronger but this one was damn funny.
And yeah, every word out of Drax's mouth was gold.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2017 05:14 PM (HGR30)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at May 17, 2017 05:14 PM (6gk0M)
You supported Trump as the lesser of two evils. Hillary isn't President and Gorsuch is on SCOTUS. You got what you wanted.
This feels like October and Pussygate, redux. All of MSM, the Echo Chamber in a co-ordinated attack meant to be a Kill Shot. Like then, I expect this will play out, and Trump to respond. It's a long game ...
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 17, 2017 05:14 PM (SIY7D)
Right now, Trump is getting bombed with IMPEACHMENT!!! TRAITOR!!!! SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!!!!! CONSTITUTIONAL CRYSSIS!!!!!!!! 24/7 by the MSM, the Left and RINOs.
Perhaps he hasn't had time to address this yet.
Or, to put it another way... your wife is leaving you, you've just been fired, your kid just got put in jail, and you're having severe chest pains.
Are you really going to worry about the overdue cable bill?
Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2017 05:14 PM (BPeNq)
Posted by: goon at May 17, 2017 05:14 PM (EaQ6/)
Posted by: Jean at May 17, 2017 05:11 PM (zZb/S)
Already happening.
http://isis.liveuamap.com/
Turkey was gonna get a bit more..."involved" with Kurdish Syria about 6 months ago, but I think the US had something to say about that.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 17, 2017 05:15 PM (CPk08)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at May 17, 2017 05:15 PM (6gk0M)
Posted by: wooga at May 17, 2017 05:10 PM (xcD6D)
He clearly didn't wipe out his forebears when he had a chance.
Posted by: Texas Dan at May 17, 2017 05:15 PM (yL25O)
As if I don't have enough person reasons to be perpetually pissed off.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 17, 2017 05:15 PM (AM1GF)
Some ally there.....
Posted by: Yo! at May 17, 2017 05:13 PM (GwIKd)
Yeah, still not wild about that.
Turks aren't great allies. But then, outside of the UK and Denmark, most of them aren't.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2017 05:15 PM (HGR30)
https://tinyurl.com/l4peraq
Posted by: Sgt. Angel at May 17, 2017 05:16 PM (m3iiU)
the leaks are definitely bullshit in the sense they're illegal and partisan. I condemn them.
However, ABC claimed an Israeli spy infiltrated into ISIS was compromised by this. They seem to be saying that by revealing the city this came out of, ISIS could find the spy.
Note that whoever leaked that is himself committing a crime. After all, Trump didn't say it was a human spy. ABC and their leakers told the world that.
But if Trump did do that, that is really bad and slipshod, and an example of a guy who just won't learn or buckle down and wants to do everything by instinct and whim.
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:16 PM (8rNrN)
The left will always support USA's enemies. But if trump isn't engaged enough to know erdy's a muz game changer, and really it seems the whole of DC isn't that engaged, then what can we do?
where's bannon?
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at May 17, 2017 05:16 PM (g9A94)
Posted by: Kristophr at May 17, 2017 04:30 PM (Vkf+s)
In Washington DC, Turkey fucks you.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 17, 2017 05:16 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at May 17, 2017 05:16 PM (ngT9v)
Posted by: blaster at May 17, 2017 05:16 PM (HV1LS)
Posted by: josephistan at May 17, 2017 04:55 PM (7HtZB)
Didn't Hemingway cover it as a war correspondent?
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 17, 2017 05:16 PM (jK8Z7)
Posted by: A. Weiner at May 17, 2017 05:17 PM (oVJmc)
Because they are soulless fucking sociopaths.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 17, 2017 05:17 PM (VdICR)
Trump was supposed to, basically, stop new muslims from coming here.
Yeah ... I know it's a different situation but that just expresses the righteous outrage at this. These people had better be arrested, deported and never allowed to come back, again. At the very least.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2017 05:17 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and You're Not at May 17, 2017 05:17 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 17, 2017 05:17 PM (KP5rU)
Again, see the festivities in Holland a few months back.
For whatever combination of reasons, Turkey is taking the crazy motherf***er aggressive approach to relations with western countries.
And don't forget the brazen (though deserved) humiliation and subjugation, really, of Merkel and the Euros by Erdogan ("f**k with me and I'll turn that mass migration tap back on, just you see").
Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2017 05:17 PM (QDnY+)
Then sit back and watch the show.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 17, 2017 05:12 PM (CPk0
+1
In fact, if President Trump DOES say something like this, totally going to nominate you as commentor for the month.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2017 05:17 PM (HGR30)
Now obviously, that's a poor list. But lemme turn it back around on you: how about the other party in our coup attempt? What's the CIA done for you lately?
If anything, Trump declaring war on the CIA would be much more understandable than declaring it on Turkey.
Posted by: trev006 at May 17, 2017 05:18 PM (LjVLD)
Posted by: Lord Sir x at May 17, 2017 05:18 PM (nFwvY)
ISIS.
What is more important, beating ISIS or making sure that we aren't allied with Erdogan?
Remember Uncle Joe.
That isn't to excuse Erdogan. But to explain why sometimes shit gets overlooked.
Posted by: blaster at May 17, 2017 05:18 PM (HV1LS)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 17, 2017 05:18 PM (KP5rU)
that's the prob with good intel, if you use it, you can still lose it.
like how in WWII the allies had to have a good reason to use that german intel they got from cracking that thingy in the movie kumberbatch was in.
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at May 17, 2017 05:18 PM (g9A94)
Note that whoever leaked that is himself
committing a crime. After all, Trump didn't say it was a human spy. ABC
and their leakers told the world that.
But if Trump did do that, that is really bad and slipshod, and an
example of a guy who just won't learn or buckle down and wants to do
everything by instinct and whim.
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:16 PM (8rNrN)
You mean the "leakers" who supposedly were not in the room? Why would you even start to believe the MSM bullshit without more basis than that?
Posted by: redbanzai at May 17, 2017 05:19 PM (9nCnN)
isn't erdogan the one always blocking us from taking action? Isn't he the one who vetoed bombing Raqqa for years?
Strange how Erdogan's efforts against ISIS wind up as bombs dropping on Kurdish towns, isn't it?
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:19 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and You're Not at May 17, 2017 05:19 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 17, 2017 05:20 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 17, 2017 05:17 PM (KP5rU)
That's not true. Turkey was very trustworthy for most of their time in NATO. They were more trustworthy than many others in NATO. That was until the EU started messing around with Turkey, dangling possible membership in front of them to make them do stupid things. That was leading up to 2003.
Now, Turkey is about as trustworthy as France.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2017 05:20 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 17, 2017 05:06 PM (SIY7D)
I'll see it, but is there some magical way he found another tape from his mom, or do they just sort of explain it away because Movie Part Two and Part One Did Great Partly Because Classic Mix Tape?
Or am I mis-remembering why the tape in the original was so important?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 17, 2017 05:20 PM (fD1ST)
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Did Turkey stopping arming ISIS, err, anti-Assad militias, yet?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 05:20 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 17, 2017 05:20 PM (oVJmc)
-Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 17, 2017 05:17 PM (KP5rU)
Between airspace issues and stationing of troops, you're correct. It has worsened now and I believe Erdogan to be the tip of a sharpened spear.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at May 17, 2017 05:21 PM (6gk0M)
that the judges blocked him for now is an inconvenience. He'll have to pack the courts.
As for the msm hysteria that's been a near constant for months? When have we seen this before? Oh right, with W. Is it his fault?
we went through this during election season, you have a balance of off the cuff and scripted words. but the press is now making up shit from leaks.
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at May 17, 2017 05:21 PM (g9A94)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 17, 2017 05:21 PM (IqV8l)
the problem was that Edogan is a determined islamist, once jailed for it, and has dismantled the old safeguards (the original "Deep State") designed to make sure Turkey remained a secularized, non-Islamist country.
The Turkish army was once the guarantor of the Turkish constitution; Erdogan ended that and purged the old guard sworn to keep and protect the constitution.
You can say that was anti-democratic. But now Erdogan has himself removed democracy from Turkey, too.
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:22 PM (8rNrN)
possible membership in front of them to make them do stupid things.
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I seem to recall that the EU demanded that the Turkish military be removed from a formal role in the Turkish government.
I don't remember anything formally happening in Turkey in response, but obviously the independence of the Turkish military was reduced in the same time frame, allowing the ascension of Erdogan.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 05:22 PM (eSx+E)
I thought I heard that McMaster said Trump didn't know / didn't say the city.
"wasn't aware of where the information was from"
Posted by: votermom pimping great books at May 17, 2017 05:22 PM (hMwEB)
Peter Quill always had tape #2. His grandpa put it in his backpack in the prologue and he just never opened the package because he couldn't deal with the guilt of not taking his mom's hand when she was dying.
So tape #2 is legit.
That Zune now....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2017 05:23 PM (HGR30)
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:16 PM (8rNrN)
Absent the leak to the US press, I wonder if it's true that ISIS or Russia would be able to conclude that "hey this data point can only mean one thing, and that is that Mr. Pink over here is a mole."
If you're passing on intel of any sort, you got it from somewhere. What would be unique about this information that it could only come from ONE particular person in that city?
I'm sure there is intel like that. But would Russia know this? I bet not, unless they knew enough to already know who the inside guy is.
And ISIS would know zero about the conversation if WE didn't leak it.
So it's all on the leaker and the press, not on Trump. That is, I don't think we can infer a lack of judgment on PDT as his judgement was made, presumably, without an assumption of a same-day leak to the press that revealed additional data.
Posted by: Texas Dan at May 17, 2017 05:23 PM (yL25O)
he opened a package he had never opened before and found Awesome Mix II inside of it in the first movie (at the end).
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:23 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 17, 2017 05:23 PM (6Ll1u)
They work the 2nd tape into the story. Any more would be a spoiler.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 17, 2017 05:23 PM (SIY7D)
The intel thing isn't a thing at all, and the only known parts are media speculation. If there was yet more felonious leaking, than that's the story. Newsflash to the Beltway, the Russians are also fighting ISIS. Further newsflash, we routinely share all kinds of intel with allies, partners, limited partners, and even frenemies, when it serves our interests.
And, last newsflash, there are items that are secret, kept under wraps to you and me, and yet known to our adversaries and us. Don't ask me to explain that one, but I saw some whoppers back in the days of Soviet power.
Point is, intel sharing happens all day long every day, deciding what and how is a judgement/policy call. Judgement/policy calls get made by elected officials.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2017 05:24 PM (QDnY+)
"I hope you see fit to ..."
"sir, you have to be careful, you've only been office 100 days, you can't pressure me to end an investigation"
"oh God no. I wasn't pressuring you"
instead, Comey said something non committal because:
1. he's filing this convo away to drop bomb later.
or
2. it was no big deal.
OR
3. This sort of thing happens with Comey and previous admin all the time.
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at May 17, 2017 05:24 PM (g9A94)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 17, 2017 05:20 PM (oVJmc)
Poland has been in NATO for nearly two decades...
Posted by: North Atlantic Hat Organization at May 17, 2017 05:24 PM (rUIbB)
I thought I heard that McMaster said Trump didn't know / didn't say the city.
"wasn't aware of where the information was from"
Posted by: votermom
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He did say that IIRC.
Posted by: Sgt. Angel at May 17, 2017 05:25 PM (m3iiU)
But if Trump did do that, that is really bad and slipshod, and an example of a guy who just won't learn or buckle down and wants to do everything by instinct and whim.
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:16 PM (8rNrN)
Uh... Trump told the Russians....
The Leakers and MEDIA told ISIS....
The Russians were not going to burn that spy... they were being HELPED by that spy....
But in their effort to smear Trump for a perfectly Legal Presidential decision (sharing intelligence)... THEY made this information public... THEY outed the spy...
Posted by: Don Q. at May 17, 2017 05:25 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 17, 2017 05:26 PM (U6f54)
You can say that was anti-democratic. But now Erdogan has himself removed democracy from Turkey, too.
***
On a related note, the important thing in a government actually isn't that it is a democracy, but that it protects your God given rights.
Representative government has been shown to be the best way overall to protect rights, but it is important to not confuse the goal and the means.
If representative government in some form is not protecting its citizens' rights they can and should replace it, obviously of course with a mind to how you then get back to a government that is in the business of protecting said rights.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 05:26 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: Lord Sir x at May 17, 2017 05:26 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: ace at May 17, 2017 05:22 PM (8rNrN)
Erdogan didn't end that, the EU did. That was my point. The EU told Turkey that in order to even be considered for EU membership they had to take supreme power away from the secular military. Turkey amended their constitution in 2003 to do exactly.
The blame for most of Turkey's fall into islamist insanity in the 21st century is the EU's. The EU is the culprit, not Erdogan. Erdogan is just the inevitable result of the EU's prank. And the EU just did it for kicks. They were never going to accept Turkey (and I happen to agree that they shouldn't ... but they certainly should not have gotten their jollies taking away from Turkey the only thing that kept that country sane since Ataturk restructured it).
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2017 05:26 PM (zc3Db)
They work the 2nd tape into the story. Any more would be a spoiler.
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From first movie, and don't pull a comey and let me commit impeachable spoiling....
but he kept the present from mom his entire adult life without opening and inside was the 2nd tape. He had it with him when he was abducted.
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at May 17, 2017 05:26 PM (g9A94)
How is this different?
The protestors (conservatives/ Kurds) are getting their heads busted by (Antifa Leftists/Turks.)
This is on the head of the police chief and mayor of DC.
Also.. is Trump does anything... OVER-REACH!! LOCAL MATTER!!!! HITLER!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2017 05:26 PM (BPeNq)
If it was real, Comey would not be waiting on a subpoena he'd be handwalking it into Congress.
Posted by: blaster at May 17, 2017 05:26 PM (HV1LS)
I was encouraged by your post the other day about restoring your chill. I hope the chill comes back to ya soon.
Maybe do a Guardians 1 and 2 double feature.
Me, I'm trying some Toshiro Mifune films to chillax this week as I'm working the weekend, apparently.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2017 05:26 PM (HGR30)
That Zune now....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2017 05:23 PM (HGR30)
Thanks. By Zune, you don't mean the mp3 player that never really worked well even when it was used with the associated and fully supported OS, do you?
Oh jeez if so.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 17, 2017 05:26 PM (fD1ST)
find it alarming that Cruz isn't willing to support Trump until he gets
to the facts"
Payback is a bitch.
Posted by: Rafael C. at May 17, 2017 05:27 PM (jK8Z7)
Posted by: Ace at 04:22 PM
I'm pretty sure Trump didn't "let" them.
Posted by: Country Boy at May 17, 2017 05:27 PM (r8Mjm)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at May 17, 2017 05:27 PM (j1Wvr)
Not that I'm expecting that Trump will read it, but every little bit helps, right?
Posted by: Rusty Nail at May 17, 2017 05:27 PM (toi7g)
FFS the intel shared was bombs on laptops, right?
the US had issued a anti-laptop order months ago.
Cat's out of bag.
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at May 17, 2017 05:27 PM (g9A94)
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No, but I wrote poems about it. Does anyone have any opium?
Posted by: zombie lord byron at May 17, 2017 05:27 PM (nlbfN)
But my lib SiL's and BiL's tell me Turkey is fantastic and enlightened and a great place to vacay.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 17, 2017 05:28 PM (PY9jH)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby
Maybe the DC cops got stand down orders to let the protesters have room.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 17, 2017 05:28 PM (aMV0K)
Posted by: blaster at May 17, 2017 05:28 PM (HV1LS)
Posted by: Peaches at May 17, 2017 05:28 PM (EgOr3)
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another Soros mandated stand down order
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at May 17, 2017 05:28 PM (g9A94)
Yep. Sure looks that way.
The only crimes committed in this whole Russian imbroglio are leaks of classified information, which have already begun to threaten diplomatic relations and national security. And maybe the Seth Rich hit.
There has been no credible evidence of any crime committed by anyone in the Trump administration. FFS, there's hasn't even been a specific allegation of an actual crime (the NYT ran a law professor piece that even in its worst light, Trump didn't commit obstruction).
The big known unknown is whether the Trumpsters can identify specific leakers. If they can, Sessions will hang them. Bonus points if it can be tied to Rice and Rhodes.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 17, 2017 05:28 PM (SIY7D)
We shared intelligence about the Germans with the USSR in WWII didn't we?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 05:28 PM (eSx+E)
Further, ISIS assumes they are thick with spies and double-agents (and they are), because of course they are. Look at their structure, their operations, their personnel. And the predominant culture within which they operate.
The implied granularity of the "compromise" of sources/methods in this b.s. "story" fails to fit, at all, with the realities of the subject matter.
Yes, the country is dumbed down beyond recognition, and especially the "educated" NPR-listening Beltway sorts. But let's keep our standards higher, even if there appears to be any point, any more.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2017 05:29 PM (QDnY+)
Or am I mis-remembering why the tape in the original was so important?
Posted by: Moron Robbie
Yondu gave him the second tape at the end of the first movie IIRC.
Of course he has a state of the art :eyeroll: device now...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 17, 2017 05:29 PM (AM1GF)
Representative government has been shown to be the best way overall to protect rights, but it is important to not confuse the goal and the means.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 05:26 PM (eSx+E)
It is not the Republic that protect's our right but the Constitution - the Supreme Law. The Constitution places important limits on what representative government can do and what people can vote for representatives to do. The key is the Constitutional part, not the Republic part. And that all depends on having the correct sort of Constitution, obviously.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2017 05:29 PM (zc3Db)
I don't believe any specifics were exchanged . As I said yesterday , I think the silver lining is that ISIS will slaughter many of their own trying to identify the 'spy' .
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 17, 2017 05:30 PM (+bKWx)
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I'm guessing there some precedents in federal anti-Klan activities from the 60s/70s that Trump and co could use if they so choose. And it would be hilarious to see the FNM try and gin up outrage.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 17, 2017 05:31 PM (eSx+E)
most of their time in NATO. They were more trustworthy than many others
in NATO.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2017 05:20 PM (zc3Db)
Except when they were invading Cyprus, of course.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 17, 2017 05:31 PM (jK8Z7)
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at May 17, 2017 05:31 PM (g9A94)
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at May 17, 2017 05:32 PM (g9A94)
it just confirms my gut instinct about Cruz.
Rand Paul is calling it bullshit.
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Dennis Kucinich went on SEAN friggin HANNITY to call it bullshit.
Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at May 17, 2017 05:33 PM (wTvP+)
South America, Australia, France, Germany, UK, Africa
Calling out around the world
Are you ready for a brand new beat
Summer's here and the time is right
For beatings in the streets
They're beating in Chicago
Down in New Orleans
In New York City
All we need is muscle, sweet muscle
There'll be muscle everywhere
They'll be swinging, swaying, records playing
Beatings in the street, oh
It doesn't matter what you wear,
Just as long as you are there
So come on, every guy, grab a girl,
Everywhere, around the world
They'll be beatings, beatings in the street
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and You're Not at May 17, 2017 05:34 PM (Nwg0u)
committed by anyone in the Trump administration. FFS, there's hasn't
even been a specific allegation of an actual crime (the NYT ran a law
professor piece that even in its worst light, Trump didn't commit
obstruction).
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 17, 2017 05:28 PM (SIY7D)
Jonathan Turley has said that the reason there can't be an independent counsel is that there hasn't been any crime committed. The Trump campaign could have had imbeds from the Russian Embassy sitting in their offices and that still would not have been a crime.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 17, 2017 05:34 PM (jK8Z7)
Posted by: xnycpeasant at May 17, 2017 05:34 PM (QtQaN)
Jonathan Turley has said that the reason there can't be an independent counsel is that there hasn't been any crime committed. The Trump campaign could have had imbeds from the Russian Embassy sitting in their offices and that still would not have been a crime.
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Jesus, Obama practically gave Iran nuclear weapons.
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at May 17, 2017 05:35 PM (g9A94)
Posted by: Berkely PD at May 17, 2017 05:35 PM (QtQaN)
Posted by: xnycpeasant at May 17, 2017 05:34 PM (QtQaN)
I never understood that movie. The guy was trying to smuggle heroin or hashish or whatever. He knew the risks. He knew where he was. He deserved what he got.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2017 05:36 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 17, 2017 05:42 PM (bmkS9)
Posted by: goon at May 17, 2017 05:44 PM (EaQ6/)
Look Banana Splits Guy....
...are you gonna believe your lying eyes looking at that video....I mean yeah sure, it looks bad...as if the Turkish bodyguards are roughing up the peaceful demonstrators because they don't agree with their opinions....
...but, often these things can be deceiving...for instance...was there "intent" on the part of the Turkish embassy employees to beat the crap out of the peaceful protesters across the street?...
...or were the armed men just trying to shake the hands of the protesters...and create friendship among the opposing sides of this tough issue?....
...or possibly the Turks were offering some sort of job to some of the protesters in the hopes of keeping them off of ISIS recruitment websites....
Look man, do you even nuance? There are forces in play that you can't imagine...and we here at the DCPD will sort it all out in due time. Rest assured. We are professionals.
Posted by: Marie Harf, interim DCPD spokesperson at May 17, 2017 05:44 PM (0ucZF)
Posted by: Malignantly aggrieved and economically useless at May 17, 2017 05:48 PM (oBuXO)
This administration has been (and will be) good for some reg rollback and judges. That's it. Hoping for more will inevitably lead to disappointment.
Posted by: Doug at May 17, 2017 06:23 PM (6/K6S)
Posted by: Theresa, MSgt (ret), USAF at May 17, 2017 07:00 PM (YXf+c)
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