More Than Half of E-Cig Users in the UK Have Fully (Finally) Kicked the Cigarette Habit

Quick, let's outlaw this technology before it saves more lives.

Half of users are still "dual-users" who use the e-cig sometimes (probably when they can't smoke a cigarette) and cigarettes sometimes.

But half have simply quit cigarettes and other smoked tobacco.

Ann McNeill, professor of tobacco addiction at King’s College London, said: "This year's Ash survey finds that around 1.5 million vapers are ex-smokers, for the first time a larger number than those who continue to smoke.

"This is encouraging news as we know that vapers who continue to smoke continue to be exposed to cancer-causing substances.

"The message for the 1.3 million vapers who still smoke is that they need to go further and switch completely."

Meanwhile, the US government is continuing to attempt to "regulate" e-cigs to make it harder for people to make and sell them.

I am hoping Trump will do something about this, though I realize this is probably not a huge issue for most.

Let me do a quick post for anyone thinking about quitting smoking, and/or trying vaping:

First of all, Do It. Honestly, you don't even know the side-benefits you're going to get from quitting smoking.

Second, read the book I've mentioned a lot, The Easy Way to Quit Smoking by Allen Carr. It's fantastic. Nicotine is addictive, but it's a weak addictive substance. After three or four days of going without nicotine, you're no longer addicted.

At least not physically.

However, the act of smoking is powerfully habituating, which means the main addiction hook of smoking is psychological.

Vaping is a very, very easy way to get over your nicotine addiction: You just don't get over it. You just keep dosing with nicotine. You continue taking in nicotine through your lungs. So the minor physical addiction of nicotine isn't even an issue.

However, the psychological/habit aspect of smoking is the killer. That's the one you have to deal with.

Allen Carr's book will fix that. He doesn't talk about the health consequences of smoking, because, he reasons, smokers have heard that all before, and further, thinking about the health consequences of smoking will make smokers agitated and that in turn will just make them have a cigarette.

So he avoids that, and all the "think of your children" type guilt too, which will also prompt you to do exactly what you shouldn't do (light another one up).

Instead, he talks about the nature of addiction, describing it (more or less correctly) as a mimetic, altered-brain-chemicals-seeking-to-perpetuate-their-own-existence parasite in yourself, a parasite that encourages you to intake things that feed it at the expense of your own body and brain.

Just as a baby in the womb suggests that pregnant women have sardines and Orange juice or other oddball food combinations -- the baby sending signals that "I need Vitamin C and omega 3 fats" -- this baby, which is a bad and ugly baby, tells you "I need nicotine, some hot tar scalding my throat and lungs, and a dash of poisonous carbon monoxide."

He shifts your mode of thinking from "I am giving up something I value (smoking)" to "I am affirmatively gaining (GAINZZZing?) things of greater value," like, for example -- an hour or ninety minutes of free time during the day when you are not under compulsion to have a cigarette or make plans to have an excuse to go outside to have a cigarette.

His thesis is stupid -- he says "Willpower quitting" won't work because Willpower is a limited resource that really can only be deployed a certain amount of time before it's depleted. So, he reasons, the only way to quit smoking is to not want to smoke in the first place.

And as stupid as that sounds -- yeah, he actually manages it. I've seen it said that his book has a "near cultish" following, and I count myself in the cult.

You will need to read that book to cure your psychological addiction, even if you supply yourself with nicotine through vaping, because, damnit, your brain (under the influence of the parasite infecting it) will constantly tell you lies like "Well, this e-cig is fine, I guess, but it just doesn't pack the brain-stimulating wallop of a cigarette, so let me have just have a couple of cigarettes, then I'll go back to vaping, swearsies."

I went through that. I swear to you that if you go to vaping without fixing the psychological aspect of cigarette addiction (or habituation, whichever), your brain will constantly invent lies to convince you that the nicotine in the e-cig is somehow chemically dissimilar to the nicotine in a cigarette so you rilly rilly neeeeed that cigarette.

It's dumb. And yet, you'll believe it. The only substance you get from smoking which has an effect on your brain that you get from a cigarette that you don't get from the e-cig is carbon monoxide, a poison that bonds more strongly with red blood cells than oxygen. This may be what gives you that "cigarette high" or buzz if you have too many -- which would then just be your brain not getting enough oxygen, because your blood cells are carrying less usable oxygen in favor of the unusable poison carbon monoxide.

Anyway, read that book.

Here are my favorite e-cigs:

1) The Blu E-cig. Easiest one to get-- they have them in every 7-11.

It has a fairly high dose of nicotine, which may make it a good initial substitute for heavy smokers.

The downsides are that they don't last long -- a day or maybe two if you're a light smoker. And also, the nicotine they supply seems to diminish fairly rapidly after the first use -- the first few puffs on one of these ware wonderful and strong, but a day later and (if there's even juice left in it) they're serving up some weak tea.

Also, they're expensive -- 8 to 12 bucks a pop, for something that may not even get a very heavy smoker through a full day.

Still -- very much worth it anyway, as both a sound first-try experiment and for an emergency back-up. Sometimes my permanent (non-disposable) e-cig runs out of juice (either nicotine juice or battery juice) when I'm out, and it's good to know, Hey, just pop on over to 7-Eleven and pick up one of these and I'm fine.

But really something you're probably going to want to transition away from, just due to the costs.

And you kind of feel like an asshole buying six of these at a time (which I have).

By the way, the Cherry flavor is awesome and I've never found any juice that beats it for flavor. I know all smokers will go to the "Classic Tobacco" flavor first, reasoning, not unreasonably, that if you're going to swap one for the other then you should make the swapped-in replacement as close to the replaced thing as possible, but I'm not sure that's accurate -- the e-cig won't taste "just like a cigarette" even if it is cigarette-flavored anyway, so it might be a good idea to try something that doesn't compete to taste "just like a cigarette."

Know what I mean? I don't like Domino's because it doesn't taste like "real pizza" to me. But I like Chicago-style deep dish pizza a lot -- that also doesn't taste like "real pizza," but because it's in a different category altogether, I don't compare it to real pizza. I take it for what it is, and I compare it against other deep dish pizzas.

But start with the Classic Tobacco if you like. But give Cherry a test run later on, once you're off cigarettes for a week or so. You'll quickly find that once you stop smoking, the "taste of a real cigarette" is not nearly as appealing to you as it once was.

2) The best non- disposable e-cig for a starter -- or even for an experienced vaper -- is the Joytech eGo AIO.

First benefit: It's dead simple. A lot of the more complicated "mods" (I think that's short for "modifiable" but I have no idea) are off-putting for n00bs because it seems like you have to watch YouTube videos to get the settings just right.

There's a thing called the Tyranny of Choices -- you get paralyzed by having too many choices and you wind up not being able to choose.

The Joytech eGo aio avoids that by not giving you all the widgets and dials to set your wattage at X and your resistance at Y and your vapor temperature at Z degrees (Farenheit or Celsius -- your choice!).

It's got two modes: "On" and "Off." And the "On" mode is just fine for me. Never felt like adjusting it. It's built with settings that will please most right out of the box.

You do have to watch a YouTube video for instructions -- you wake it up from sleep mode by pushing the button fast five times, you have to change the atomizer every week or two (the atomizer is where bits of liquid are brought, via wicks, into close near-contact with the heat-generating metal coils, which heats the liquid into a vapor; the atomizers wear out), and so on, but it's really a very simple thing.

Second benefit: It's cheap. The starter set is $20 and some online vendors sell it for $17.

The good thing about this is that when you drop it and break it -- and that kind of thing is going to happen -- who cares? It was $20.

Now, if you drop a $120 mod and that breaks -- now you're pissed off.

But drop an $18 one? Eh. One can imagine worst tragedies.

Drawbacks: I wouldn't say it's easy to break -- the thing is, because it's so light, it hits the ground with less force than much-heavier mods. So it can be dropped and actually come away undamaged better than many of the more expensive "mods."

But sometimes the build quality isn't great -- I've had ones always leaking juice out, which is bad.

Also, sometimes -- usually when it hasn't been used in a while and has been left lying on its side, instead of standing upright -- it "spits." That means that hot liquid is being spat out of the top of it, rather than being fully vaporized.

The "spit" feels uncomforably hot in your mouth, but it doesn't burn you. (I have wondered, however -- what if this thing spits hot juice into my eye?)

This is annoying, and I guess it could be slightly dangerous, but if the thing starts "spitting," just hold the button down and direct it away from your face or anything you like and just let the thing burn off the liquid that's flooded the engine, so to speak.

Then it'll be back to working form.

This just happens sometimes. Like I said, it's an annoyance that just has to be dealt with, not a deal-breaker.

I'd buy two or three of these, because sometimes you may have to charge one when you want to vape. Yes, you can just charge it from your computer or any other portable battery (like you use to charge a phone on the go), and yes, it just takes that standard port (standard to everyone except Apple), and yes, you actually can use it while it's charging (so long as it has some minimum threshold of charge in it), so you don't need two, but, like I said, this thing is going to be in your hand a lot and you will drop it from time to time so you'll want a back-up. And it's just $20. You don't want to be caught, especially when you're trying to quit smoking, without a nicotine substitution device handy. The temptation to just get a pack of cigarettes will be present.

One little design flaw is that this thing is built as an almost perfect cylinder (except for a small button on the side to push when you want to take a puff). This means it rolls -- and can roll off a restaurant table, for example.

And if you set it upright, well, obviously it can easily get knocked over. And then roll.

I'd suggest Joytech make this thing so it has one side that's flat so the damn thing won't roll if I set it on its side on a table.

Those two will serve you well enough when you start vaping. Later on you may be tempted to buy a more expensive "mod," but honestly, I have a more expensive mod and I use it alongside the Joytech. And I don't really think the expensive one is too much better than the $20 Joytech. Except for the spitting, and rolling.

One last thing: If you try to go halvsies -- using a real cigarette sometimes, and an e-cig at other times -- you'll wind up coughing when you use the e-cig, and you'll probably blame the e-cig.

Not so.

Whenever you're taking hot gas into the back of your throat, your throat is going to react. You may no longer react when you smoke cigarettes -- but only because your throat has been acclimated to the exact "throat hit" a cigarette gives you. Basically, it's mostly turned off the coughing response to smoking a cigarette because the coughing response has been activated so much it's "dead."

But when you take in a slightly different throat hit, as from an e-cig, that specific throat hit your throat hasn't necessarily gotten used to, and it will trigger the cough.

Don't blame the e-cig! Don't use that as a reason to throw it aside and go back to smooth, healthy cigarettes.

It's just that you're hitting your throat with a stimulus it has not acclimated to. And if you juggle between the cigarette and the e-cig, you'll find you may cough whenever you switch from one to the other.

How do you fix that? Well, the same way you taught your throat not to cough when you smoke a cigarette: you just do it for a couple of days until your throat decides this is a stimulus it can get used to and doesn't need to cough over.

Switching between the two will cause more coughing, and delay the acclimation process.

I even notice the switch-causes-a-cough when I switch between my Joytech and my mod.

It's normal and not a big deal. Definitely not as bad for you as smoking a real cigarette, even if, at first, you find yourself coughing more with the e-cig. It'll pass.

Update: This video says the Joytech only leaks if you leave it on its side or upside down.

That may be true, and I'll look into trying to keep it upright, but it's a fairly common thing to just drop the thing on the bed (or let it sit in your versatile, dashing, and Totally Not Gay J Crew Messenger bag) and it'll be on its side in that situation.

Basically the thing wants to lay on its side, which makes the statement "It only leaks on its side" a bit less than it seems.

Comments

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1 oi!

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 12, 2017 06:42 PM (R+30W)

2 Allen Carr is a prophet.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 12, 2017 06:44 PM (LTHVh)

3 When I get a nicotine twitch now (8 months quit) I no longer go 'Man, I wish I had a cigarette'. Instead I go 'Motherfucker! I can't believe what an addict I was.'

It makes me angry to want some nicotine, and that's all Carr's doing.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 12, 2017 06:47 PM (LTHVh)

4 Meanwhile, the US government is continuing to attempt to "regulate" e-cigs to make it harder for people to make and sell them.

that's because the douchebags aren't anti-smoke (as evidenced by their love of filling ones lungs up with heavy pot smoke) but are anti-SMOKER. It's an old hippie artifact - they hated their dads and their dads smoked cigarettes so they hate all cigarette smokers ... no matter how they actually get their nicotine. They just hate anyone who likes tobacco.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 12, 2017 06:49 PM (zc3Db)

5 I quit cold turkey about 2 months ago, still have the urge sometimes after a meal, I just don't keep any cigarettes in the house.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 12, 2017 06:49 PM (4e+hS)

6 I quit smoking in 2005, after 40 years, using Chantix. I had tried everything including hypnosis. E-cigs had not been invented then, not to my knowledge. I still have the impulse, not the need, to light up occasionally.

Posted by: Javems at May 12, 2017 06:50 PM (yOqwj)

7 I did read some of the Carr stuff online and it helped, probably need a refresher.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 12, 2017 06:50 PM (4e+hS)

8 I quit smoking in 2005, after 40 years, using Chantix.

Posted by: Javems at May 12, 2017 06:50 PM (yOqwj)

I wouldn't touch that stuff with a ten-foot pole.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 12, 2017 06:51 PM (zc3Db)

9 Oh by the way, I have one lung left, they cut the other one out. Not trying to scare smokers, but get a yearly chest x-ray.

Posted by: Javems at May 12, 2017 06:53 PM (yOqwj)

10 Only smoke after sex,
Last cigarette in 1986

Posted by: Edd Zachary at May 12, 2017 06:53 PM (DJZSv)

11 What about the issue with the exploding batteries? That seems to be the main excuse that the government types are using to justify regulation. This is also pushed by the tobacco companies. They like regulation because they will be able to comply, but the costs will drive out their smaller, low-priced competitors.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 12, 2017 06:53 PM (R+30W)

12 As a former smoker and now, occasional vaper, I can attest that after 35 years of smoking cigs, the only thing that has worked is vaping. I would like to add that starting with one of the smaller cig shaped devices is a mistake. I tried many smaller ones for a year, and I still craved cigs. As soon as I invested $100 in a more powerful device, the volume and heat of the vapor is what made me ditch cigs for good. If you don't get that bite in the back of your throat like cigs give, you'll find it hard to quit. Once I got my "ehuge"(lol) mod(device), I craved it more than the cig. That was all it took. I started with 24MG nicotine, and since then I reduced the nic content to 16mg, then 12, then 8, 4 and now I'm down to zero. I go days without vaping now, I just break it out when drinking or driving long distances. And instead of spending over $200 a month in cigs, I spend 35 dollars every 2-3 months for some decent e liquid. Good luck!

Posted by: jas wat at May 12, 2017 06:55 PM (M+Gwm)

13 "the same way you taught your throat not to cough"


I don't cough. Or gag.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at May 12, 2017 06:55 PM (8iiMU)

14 5 I quit cold turkey about 2 months ago, still have the urge sometimes after a meal, I just don't keep any cigarettes in the house.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 12, 2017 06:49 PM (4e+hS)

++++

I quit years ago. For me the big temptation was when I was stuck in stop and go traffic. I wanted to light up so bad.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 12, 2017 06:56 PM (R+30W)

15 After I stopped smoking my sister called me a quitter and said she "didn't know me anymore".

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 12, 2017 06:57 PM (4e+hS)

16 8
I quit smoking in 2005, after 40 years, using Chantix.



Posted by: Javems at May 12, 2017 06:50 PM (yOqwj)



I wouldn't touch that stuff with a ten-foot pole.
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Worked like a charm for me. Nicotine is the only drug I have ever had trouble quitting, I suspect because it is the only one with which I associated the symptoms with the drug.

Posted by: Javems at May 12, 2017 06:57 PM (yOqwj)

17 My daughter's fiance is on these things now after quitting coffin nails a month ago.
We'll see if they still get married or he goes bonkers.

Posted by: wth at May 12, 2017 06:58 PM (HgMAr)

18 Governments are only interested in tax revenue from sales of tobacco. A steep decline in sales cannot be tolerated if it means loss of play money.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at May 12, 2017 06:58 PM (euxgo)

19 Luke, come over to the menthol side.

Posted by: Darth Vaper at May 12, 2017 06:59 PM (vRcUp)

20 #8, I tried Chantix twice. Got blockages in my arteries both times, only a year apart. Doctor could not believe It happened so close together. It was obviously the chantix. Don't do it.

Posted by: jas wat at May 12, 2017 06:59 PM (M+Gwm)

21 I'm not sure I understand what the words 'quitting smoking' mean. Since e-cigs/vaping is involved, I'm assuming the words mean stop smoking tobacco, not stopping the nicotine addiction, but continuing to feed it with e-cigs/vaping.

So how many give up nicotine completely? No gum, no patch, no e-cigs, because 'quitting smoking' to me means quitting nicotine.

Otherwise, it is like saying I'm not an alcoholic because I only drink beer.

Posted by: Roybeen Player at May 12, 2017 07:00 PM (q3wv5)

22 Besides, quitting smoking is easy. I've done it thousands of times.

-- Mark Twain

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at May 12, 2017 07:00 PM (euxgo)

23 >>> I'm not sure I understand what the words 'quitting smoking' mean. Since e-cigs/vaping is involved, I'm assuming the words mean stop smoking tobacco, not stopping the nicotine addiction, but continuing to feed it with e-cigs/vaping.

So how many give up nicotine completely? No gum, no patch, no e-cigs, because 'quitting smoking' to me means quitting nicotine.

Otherwise, it is like saying I'm not an alcoholic because I only drink beer.

...

no, because nicotine is not the carcinogen. Tar is the carcinogen.

Nicotine is a fairly anodyne substance with similar biological effects to caffeine.

It is true vaping keeps the nicotine addiction going (thought that does decline, naturally, when you vape), but nicotine isn't the Big Bad Thing in cigarettes.

Posted by: ace at May 12, 2017 07:02 PM (8rNrN)

24 Commies gotta regulate. It's for the chirruns.

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at May 12, 2017 07:02 PM (Tyii7)

25 Thank you, ace, for clearing up my confusion.

Posted by: Roybeen Player at May 12, 2017 07:03 PM (q3wv5)

26 Outlaw water now.

Alcoholics who are trying to quit drinking don't really quit drinking--they just drink water or something with water in it.

Posted by: Every "Health Advocate" at May 12, 2017 07:03 PM (j+dfT)

27 So how is the book for other addictions, not just nicotine? I have an addictive personality, so I've avoided drugs/alcohol. But many things are addictive, and I suspect the same methods work to cure any addiction (I hope).

Right?

Posted by: Vanceone at May 12, 2017 07:03 PM (M1wIg)

28 Hot damn! Who knew quitting smoking was so complicated? Seriously, I said, "Fuck it," and quit. Quit the ritual of smoking and drinking coffee, and chewing tobacco, all on the same day. It has been approx. 4+ years now. Every now and again I'll have a cup of coffee on the weekend because I still love the stuff, but the habitual, ritual, psychological rut has been forever crushed like a girly-man.

Posted by: Fritz at May 12, 2017 07:04 PM (TNQMS)

29 I will say Vicodin helped me quit.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 12, 2017 07:04 PM (4e+hS)

30 Nicotine does have some negative health consequences, like causing agitation, jitteriness, and it's a vasoconstrictor that increases blood pressure, but most of those things are true about caffeine as well.

It doesn't scar or damage your lungs and doesn't cause cancer.

The vasoconstriction/blood pressure stuff is a problem for people with heart disease, but apart from increasing blood pressure, I don't think it actually damages your heart and lungs the way tar does.

In any event, whatever the health impacts of nicotine minus the tar and smoke, they're much, much, MUCH less than those of cigarettes.

Posted by: ace at May 12, 2017 07:04 PM (8rNrN)

31 Roybeen Not exactly. Nicotine is probably the most harmless part of smoking a cig. It's all the added chemicals and those that occur naturally that is the problem. Vaping is inhaling vapor, not smoke. Also, you can't reduce the nicotine content of cigs. With vaping you can. All the way down to nothing. It worked for me. Took about a year or so. Best thing I ever did for my health, not to mention my wallet.

Posted by: jas wat at May 12, 2017 07:04 PM (M+Gwm)

32 Otherwise, it is like saying I'm not an alcoholic because I only drink beer.

Posted by: Roybeen Player at May 12, 2017 07:00 PM (q3wv5)

++++

No, not really. The ingredient in alcohol that is harmful for some people is, well, alcohol. They get addicted and then do things to destroy their lives.

That's not true with nicotine. The harmful effects with smoking are lung cancer, emphysema, etc. These harmful health problem are not caused by the nicotine in tobacco, but rather the tar and other components of the smoke.

Vaping gives you the relatively harmless nicotine. Yes, the addictive part is still there, but those people aren't doing the kind of damage that drunks do, either to themselves or others.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 12, 2017 07:07 PM (R+30W)

33 >>>o how is the book for other addictions, not just nicotine? I have an addictive personality, so I've avoided drugs/alcohol. But many things are addictive, and I suspect the same methods work to cure any addiction (I hope).

Right?

...

he has other books for other addictions which propose (I think) the same technique. I assume it would be at least partly effective. But other drugs (coke, alcohol) are actually more strongly physically addictive than nicotine so it's more a physical thing there, and while the psychological game is important, those really are places where he can't just say "it's almost 99% in you head."

But generally, I really got a lot out of the book as far as my general notion of how addictions or bad habits of any type form and how we reinforce them with mythologies which are actually just our brain trying to interpret the signals ("FEED ME! MAKE UP WHATEVER STORY YOU LIKE BUT FEED ME!") from the part of the brain that's addicted and is starving for the absent drug.

I imagine the book (or his books on gambling, alcohol) etc would be generally helpful but I can't guarantee they'll be anywhere near as effective as the one I've read.

Posted by: ace at May 12, 2017 07:08 PM (8rNrN)

34 I quit cold turkey the third time I tried many years ago. I associated smoking with parties, so basically waited for New Years Eve, smoked and drank a whole bunch more than usual, and used the resulting multi-day hangover to get me past the need to smoke. Never started again. Not even one, although 30 years later I still have nightmares about accidentally starting again. It to 5 years for the cravings to disappear for good, although my approach greatly reduced their intensity immediately. So why did I decide to go through the anguish and quit? I was teaching my 4 year old daughter to look both ways crossing the street and really hammering on the concept of safety, and the little rug-rat looked me square in the eyes and asked "Daddy, isnt it not safe to smoke?" Decided to do it Hell or high water right there. Today she is a doctor.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 12, 2017 07:08 PM (LeUrG)

35 It is a deep addiction, but it can be kicked. Took me 10 years, but I kicked it 31 years ago. Hang tough nico addicts.

Posted by: colfax mingo at May 12, 2017 07:08 PM (FLjWH)

36 I've had a life long need for coffee, especially in the mornings. I'm not a morning person, and I needed the caffeine to get up enough energy to get anything done.

Now that I am very old, I can't drink coffee any longer. It gives me a headache. Some mornings are hell because of it, but at my age, I can sleep all day and no one cares. Of course, sleeping all day means I'm awake all night, but no one cares about that either.

Posted by: Roybeen Player at May 12, 2017 07:08 PM (q3wv5)

37 Getting people off of cigarettes will put the hurt on state government's income streams.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at May 12, 2017 07:08 PM (npdX6)

38 I don't smoke but envy smokers' sociability and nervous energy. I feel like a slug next to them. Outside bs-ing with the other smokers, inside making sales.

They'll pay, I know, but sometimes I'd like to get smoking just to get that drive.

Posted by: Jeanne del Norte blanco grande at May 12, 2017 07:08 PM (B9dAp)

39 I quit shooting heroin into my eyeballs. Now I just shoot it between my testicles.
Cigarettes? Love 'em.

Posted by: Johnny Depp at May 12, 2017 07:09 PM (HgMAr)

40 My e-cig recommendation is Greensmoke. It's only available online so far as I know, but it consists of a battery pack onto which you screw the "filter," which holds the nicotine and flavor liquid. The battery pack heats the liquid and you inhale and exhale it as vapor. It was the most cigarette-like e-cig I tried in terms of how the "smoke" felt as I inhaled and exhaled--Blu just didn't feel right--and I loved the mocha and vanilla flavors. It also has multiple levels of nicotine in the cartridges so you can work your way down. It even has zero nicotine so you can keep scratching the mental itch if you need to. No leaking, no explosions, and you can return the used "cartridges" for a discount on your next order.

I quit smoking the same way: my boyfriend recommended the "How to Quit Smoking" book, and we looked up e-cigs since every other way I'd tried to quit had been horrible suffering. There was NO suffering with e-cigs. It infuriates me that the US is trying to ban and restrict them. They are literally killing people in doing so. My Dad had a heart attack due to a lifelong smoking habit--four packs a day--and for him, quitting smoking by himself wasn't an option, but cigarettes would kill him if he kept smoking them. E-cigs are saving his life. Even if he smokes them for the rest of his life, that's still 95% better than smoking traditional cigarettes. But the government so wants to tax and control that it's perfectly willing to climb over thousands of bodies to do it.

Posted by: Sentry at May 12, 2017 07:09 PM (YCY8X)

41 As a teenager I just got disgusted with it, and quit. At 17.

Been 12 years now.

Posted by: Country Boy at May 12, 2017 07:09 PM (Jcg9Q)

42 Thank you, Ace! Great, informative and personal experience to consider.

Posted by: washrivergal at May 12, 2017 07:09 PM (+eKyB)

43 I like to smoke pole.

Posted by: Barak Obama at May 12, 2017 07:09 PM (npdX6)

44 A timely post. Thank you, Ace.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess Hurlingbone (T) at May 12, 2017 07:09 PM (tHwdc)

45 Nicotine is a poisonous plant alkaloid phytotoxin.

I wouldn't recommend ingesting it in any form.

Of course, THC is totes better.

Posted by: phineas gage at May 12, 2017 07:10 PM (XsVWn)

46 Posted by: Johnny Depp at May 12, 2017 07:09 PM (HgMAr)

How does one piss away $650 million? I can't even comprehend such a thing.

Posted by: Country Boy at May 12, 2017 07:10 PM (Jcg9Q)

47 My Mom quit cold turkey when they told her she had a mass on her lung.

It was cancer, and her thoracic surgeon would not operate on her if she had not quit.

But by that time she quit without any help.

So yes, it can be done.

Posted by: shibumi at May 12, 2017 07:10 PM (8zWAk)

48 maybe the psychological element is 90% of the game with cigarettes, whereas that part is only 33% of the game with, say, heroin.

Gambling would seem to be an area where the "Just stop it, you dummy" technique might be as effective as with cigarettes.

Basically, he looks at all the lies people tell themselves to justify/perpetuate their addiction and says "This is bullshit and here's why. This one is bullshit, and this is why. This one is total bullshit, and here's why."

Posted by: ace at May 12, 2017 07:10 PM (8rNrN)

49 ... though I realize this is probably not a huge issue for most.

----

Yeah. Nail on the head, there.

WTF makes a person start smoking? "Oh, look at the way that guy poses with that cigarette! He waves it around while he talks! He starts a sentence, then takes a puff and pauses to make you wait before he finishes his sentence! I WANNA BE THAT GUY!"

And the one that really annoys me? The way you have to smack the cigarette pack on the heel of your hand before you open it. Why? To draw attention to it. "Hey, everybody! Check me out! I'm gonna smoke!"

Cancer? A small price to pay for all that coolness, huh?

Fuck smokers. They knew what they were getting into. I say let 'em crash.

Posted by: RKae at May 12, 2017 07:10 PM (i3rHh)

50 Smoking cigarettes and the evil vapes is bad..MKAY

Smoking weed is good..MKAY.

Posted by: Jerry Brown at May 12, 2017 07:12 PM (npdX6)

51 #21: After 35 years of at least a pack a day, I quit cold turkey on 9 July 2015. I had a stroke that day. I was 53 years old. Doc said, "Quit, or die." After thinking about it for a while, I quit (I thought hard, too!). No gum, patch, e-cigs, hypnosis; no nothing. Just quit. Threw away almost a whole carton when I got home from the hospital.

You know what? Took no effort at all. None. Surprised the crap out of me.

Posted by: big sarge at May 12, 2017 07:12 PM (jQ2oO)

52 The elderly should toke away, chiming away their final hours with bong hits:

https://tinyurl.com/nycgw83

I'm sure the aging leftists are thrilled.

Posted by: phineas gage at May 12, 2017 07:13 PM (XsVWn)

53 >>>I don't smoke but envy smokers' sociability and nervous energy. I feel like a slug next to them. Outside bs-ing with the other smokers, inside making sales.

They'll pay, I know, but sometimes I'd like to get smoking just to get that drive.

...

if you care about that -- or any smokers consider that a reason to continue -- you can go outside with them and say "I'm an ex-smoker, I just like smelling the smoke and getting the contact high" or whatever. They'll feel Affirmed in their decision to smoke and will treat you as one of their own.

Posted by: ace at May 12, 2017 07:13 PM (8rNrN)

54 Vasoconstrictors are bad for your crank.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 12, 2017 07:13 PM (JO9+V)

55
Getting people off of cigarettes will put the hurt on state government's income streams.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious

Just as driving fuel efficient vehicles reduces the gas tax flow.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 12, 2017 07:13 PM (IqV8l)

56 Another vote for the A10. I would also recommend the Ends game line of juice. Their Apple cake is great and their lemon cheesecake is a nice rich one as well. Also very cheap for the amount of juice you get.

Posted by: Aetius451AD's work phone at May 12, 2017 07:13 PM (Zc+RP)

57 Gambling would seem to be an area where the "Just stop it, you dummy" technique might be as effective as with cigarettes.


With gambling it is the endorphin rush, or adrenaline rush. You get the same kind of endorphin rush from the internet. Try quitting the internet when you find you are addicted to the level of excitement you get from finding something of interest to you on the 'net.

Posted by: Roybeen Player at May 12, 2017 07:13 PM (q3wv5)

58 Fuck smokers. They knew what they were getting into. I say let 'em crash.

Self-righteous, we much?

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at May 12, 2017 07:14 PM (Tyii7)

59 Aside from whatever health benefits e-cigs are not (yet AFAIK) putting big money into the state and federal coffers to fund life enrichment activities for felons and the gub'mint drones that love them so smokers should try to switch to vaping just out of starve the beast impulses IMO.

However my own stimulant addiction is caffeine so my opinion here is worth what you paid to read it.

Posted by: PaleRider at May 12, 2017 07:14 PM (eASYU)

60 I also think people should quit smoking, unless you want to get laid, cigs do make you look cool and get you chicks, but who cares about that?

Posted by: Joe Camel at May 12, 2017 07:14 PM (4e+hS)

61 An interesting post, and very informative.

For those of us who are into cigars, do the principles hold the same? I recall reading the original Surgeon General's report where light cigar smoking had the same statistics for lung cancer as non smoking, though I've fallen out of the research over the years.

Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks, AKA Worthless Imbecile at May 12, 2017 07:14 PM (tVWQB)

62 How does one piss away $650 million? I can't even comprehend such a thing.

Posted by: Country Boy at May 12, 2017 07:10 PM (Jcg9Q)
.........

Have you seen the tax on cigs here in CA, mate?
Well, that plus hookers and blow.

Posted by: Johnny Depp at May 12, 2017 07:15 PM (HgMAr)

63 Maybe it's because I'm not around smokers much, but when I see people vaping, it always seems like they're blowing out a hell of a lot of smoke, or it seems thicker than what you see with a regular smoker. Is that actually the case, and if so, is there a reason for it?

Posted by: No One of Consequence at May 12, 2017 07:15 PM (BXC+l)

64 I smoke but only because I'm so hot and funny but mostly because I have fat upper arms that rub like a mofo.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at May 12, 2017 07:15 PM (npdX6)

65 Fuck smokers. They knew what they were getting into. I say let 'em crash.

Are you always That Guy?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 12, 2017 07:15 PM (LTHVh)

66 58 Fuck smokers. They knew what they were getting into. I say let 'em crash.

Self-righteous, we much?
Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at May 12, 2017 07:14 PM (Tyii7)

Classical reference.

Posted by: Aetius451AD's work phone at May 12, 2017 07:15 PM (Zc+RP)

67 if you care about that -- or any smokers consider that a reason to continue -- you can go outside with them and say "I'm an ex-smoker, I just like smelling the smoke and getting the contact high" or whatever. They'll feel Affirmed in their decision to smoke and will treat you as one of their own.
--
I don't smoke, but hang out with the smokers on occasion.

Why?

They get a break. Their smoking break is tacitly approved by management.

I don't smoke, so I don't get a break. So... I take a smoking break and hang out.

Posted by: shibumi at May 12, 2017 07:15 PM (8zWAk)

68 I've seen a lot of vapers use their devices, and there's a lot of obnoxious "smoke" - I assume it's ethylene glycol like in smoke machines.

One of the benefits, I thought, of e-cigs is that I can draw from it nearly any time without bothering other people with smoke. Can you get vape juice without that crap in it?

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at May 12, 2017 07:15 PM (17QyB)

69 I buy e-cig batteries and tanks on eBay. Batteries run about
$10, usually 10 tanks for $6 or so.
So much cheaper.

Posted by: Cat at May 12, 2017 07:16 PM (Va9Q4)

70 See the Prager U video on E cigarettes and why Leftists are fighting to ban them

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2017 07:16 PM (Ot7+c)

71 With gambling it is the endorphin rush, or
adrenaline rush. You get the same kind of endorphin rush from the
internet. Try quitting the internet when you find you are addicted to
the level of excitement you get from finding something of interest to
you on the 'net.

Posted by: Roybeen Player at May 12, 2017 07:13 PM (q3wv5)

You mean like when you notice someone is wrong about something? lol

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 12, 2017 07:16 PM (JO9+V)

72 Smoking cigarettes and the evil vapes is bad..MKAY

Smoking weed is good..MKAY.

Posted by: Jerry Brown at May 12, 2017 07:12 PM (npdX6)
............

Mellows out the flashbacks?

Posted by: wth at May 12, 2017 07:17 PM (HgMAr)

73 BKae,

I am old so you need to realize we oldsters who started smoking when we were teens did not relize what we were getting into. Back then even doctors smoked. Dumb to smoke, yes it was but we didn't see that until we were addicted. Personally, suggelted for a decade to quit, and glad that I did. That was 31 years ago.

Gimme some slack.

Posted by: colfax mingo at May 12, 2017 07:17 PM (FLjWH)

74 Do E-cigs come in a penis size vape?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Shep Smith at May 12, 2017 07:17 PM (npdX6)

75 They'll feel Affirmed in their decision to smoke and will treat you as one of their own.

Nefarious.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 12, 2017 07:17 PM (LTHVh)

76 Clearly it is time for a pipe renaissance.

And dottle is such a cool word.

Posted by: phineas gage at May 12, 2017 07:17 PM (XsVWn)

77 As a former smoker, I have had a lot of success with the vape thing. I started with the e-cig thing but have moved to buying juice and refilling my vape pen, just because of cost. I use the tobacco flavor because I was really trying to replicate the smoking sensation. I started with higher nicotine levels and worked down to the lowest level.

It really has worked for me and I would ask anyone who wants to stop smoking, please at least try going the vape route.

Posted by: JohnF at May 12, 2017 07:18 PM (0xKvq)

78 Hi folks, Kittehs for you all.

Posted by: KansasCJ at May 12, 2017 07:18 PM (0CjmW)

79 Try quitting the internet when you find you are addicted to

the level of excitement you get from finding something of interest to

you on the 'net.

He must be talking about the Smooth Sound of the Seventies.

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at May 12, 2017 07:18 PM (Tyii7)

80 This is so frustrating. My husband won't read that book. He's used e-cigs and nicotine patches for a few weeks, but always goes back to cancer sticks. It's super psychological with him.

His smoking is affecting his health and both our lives in various bad ways. Also, when he's stuck in a non-smoking area, he substutes nail picking, which I find intensely annoying to be around. He'll have all the fingers on each hand going at it, like he's trying to escape some mental torment. eh, thanks for letting me vent.

Posted by: stace at May 12, 2017 07:19 PM (zy+gb)

81 Airplane anyone?

"Sheena, they bought their tickets. They knew what they were getting into. I say let em crash!"

Posted by: Aetius451AD's work phone at May 12, 2017 07:19 PM (Zc+RP)

82 >>>Maybe it's because I'm not around smokers much, but when I see people vaping, it always seems like they're blowing out a hell of a lot of smoke, or it seems thicker than what you see with a regular smoker. Is that actually the case, and if so, is there a reason for it?

yeah they put the nicotine into solution with a mix of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine to make the appearance of "plumes" of white vapor.

Also, they mimic the "throat hit" of smoke, which for some reason people seem to think is desirable.

Maybe recent ex-smokers want that, but I've been off a while and I don't want any kind of "throat hit."

I wish they wouldn't do that. I don't want to blow plumes or anything to hit my throat, unlike Barack Obama.

I especially don't want propylene glycol, which is something people have some concerns over. (I always get juice with as little PG as possible.)

Posted by: ace at May 12, 2017 07:19 PM (8rNrN)

83 sleeping all day means I'm awake all night, but no one cares about that either.
Posted by: Roybeen Player at May 12, 2017 07:08 PM (q3wv5)

Well, sir, I care about that, cuz it means you can come play with us on the ONT!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 12, 2017 07:19 PM (p5Y9F)

84 Allow me to be the devil's advocate: We should outlaw or tax the fuck out of vaping, and here's why:

I notice a fuckton of young people vaping, who have never smoked. So...not really much gain there. It seems to have simply eased these people into nicotine addiction by providing a more gentle, user-friendly delivery system for the faggy younger generation, who drink things like alcoholic root beer and cherry pop, and so naturally want to smoke things flavored like candy and breast milk.

And, as was pointed out in that series "True Detective": It's just a little too much like sucking on a robot's cock. If you're going to smoke, have the fucking balls to actually light something on fire, you mincing ladyboy.

Not that I actually believe any of that. Just providing adequate counsel for my client Satan.

Posted by: Pastafarian at May 12, 2017 07:20 PM (sgHEm)

85 The two most common statements I have heard from smokers during my time in the medical field:

1. There's nothing wrong with me, so why should I quit smoking?

2. I'm f*cked now, so why should I quit?

Posted by: Darth Randall at May 12, 2017 07:20 PM (v3DL/)

86 I smoked for 18 years, and the only quitting method that clicked was vaping, specifically:

https://www.cigavette.com/

Yes, I realize every person on that site looks like a douchebag, but the e-cig worked wonders for me; 3.5 years clean. No clue on their e-hookah or e-cigar offerings, though. YMMV.

Posted by: AntiProg at May 12, 2017 07:20 PM (XW9x3)

87 Did someone say "robot cock"?

Posted by: Shep Smith at May 12, 2017 07:21 PM (npdX6)

88 I haven't seen any vaporizers in the shape of a pipe but I would have figured that was a thing.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 12, 2017 07:21 PM (LTHVh)

89 , the Cherry flavor is awesome

Do they make pipe tobacco flavor?

Hitting one like a bong would probably start a fire though.

Posted by: DaveA at May 12, 2017 07:22 PM (FhXTo)

90 Why does anyone care if someone smokes ? Pick your poison, gotta die of something. You aint' leaving a healthy corpse .

Posted by: KansasCJ at May 12, 2017 07:22 PM (0CjmW)

91 Let me know when they invent an e-paste-vibe.

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 12, 2017 07:23 PM (npdX6)

92 Smoking cigarettes and the evil vapes is bad..MKAY

Smoking weed is good..MKAY.

Posted by: Jerry Brown at May 12, 2017 07:12 PM (npdX6)

Yes, but weed is like a totally natural plant substance, man!

Posted by: Hrothgar at May 12, 2017 07:23 PM (gwPgz)

93 They get a break. Their smoking break is tacitly approved by management.

I don't smoke, so I don't get a break. So... I take a smoking break and hang out.
Posted by: shibumi at May 12, 2017 07:15 PM (8zWAk)

A man whose moving company recently did some work us told us he doesn't hire smokers because of all that time, i.e. money, lost on smoke breaks.

Posted by: stace at May 12, 2017 07:24 PM (zy+gb)

94 no, because nicotine is not the carcinogen. Tar is the carcinogen.

But it's the nicotine that turns your cardiovascular system into glass.

Posted by: gNewt at May 12, 2017 07:24 PM (2d71x)

95 >>>I notice a fuckton of young people vaping, who have never smoked. So...not really much gain there. It seems to have simply eased these people into nicotine addiction by providing a more gentle, user-friendly delivery system for the faggy younger generation, who drink things like alcoholic root beer and cherry pop, and so naturally want to smoke things flavored like candy and breast milk.

And, as was pointed out in that series "True Detective": It's just a little too much like sucking on a robot's cock. If you're going to smoke, have the fucking balls to actually light something on fire, you mincing ladyboy.

...

seriously, this is the kind of mythologization/lies your addiction gets you to tell to make it seem like a cool, manly thing to continue doing.

I don't know about anyone else but I think having a better lung capacity and the ability to climb a couple of flights of stairs or fuck a girl without being winded is more "manly" than having the GUTS to light up a cigarette.

incidentally, i had wanted to take martial arts for a while but couldn't because I smoked. I quit, and then I could.

I think that's kind of more manly than smoking.

It's this thing that people do where they try to get creative with reasons that thing they know is bad is somehow cool.

I know someone who quit and his explanation was simple: "I got tired of not being able to do things because of smoking."

Posted by: ace at May 12, 2017 07:24 PM (8rNrN)

96 Damn it, I meant vape not vibe this new whizzbang Blackberry 2 is tough to figure out.

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 12, 2017 07:25 PM (npdX6)

97 Great! Now all the Brits have to work on is getting lots of muzzie dentists to move there and help fix that tooth of theirs.

Oh wait......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 12, 2017 07:25 PM (5VlCp)

98
With the price of cigarettes (what is it now- $6.00?) I don't know how anyone can afford to smoke. For me, back when an occasional cig at a party was just fun, a pack was what, .$0.50?

Posted by: LASue, now even more deplorable! at May 12, 2017 07:25 PM (CLKfs)

99 Dems now demanding any tapes of conversations between Trump and Comey be released to "the appropriate congressional committee."

Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 12, 2017 07:25 PM (U6f54)

100 I work around a lot of Vapers, there is a lot going on in the pipe if I can to call it that.

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2017 07:25 PM (Ot7+c)

101 I know it's not the same thing, but propylene glycol always reminds me of anti-freeze.

Posted by: Hrothgar at May 12, 2017 07:26 PM (gwPgz)

102 If it moves, tax it if it keeps moving, regulate it, if it stops moving subsidize it. OCare should give them away for free! If they're so healthy.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 12, 2017 07:26 PM (vRcUp)

103
I especially don't want propylene glycol

Sounds like antifreeze.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 12, 2017 07:26 PM (IqV8l)

104 Try quitting the internet when you find you are addicted to the level of excitement you get from finding something of interest to you on the 'net.. tentacle porn.

Posted by: wooga at May 12, 2017 07:26 PM (6xt4U)

105 Past 100

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I have fired a Beretta Browning BDA .380 before. It was pretty cool.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 12, 2017 07:26 PM (LTHVh)

106 Well, as you can tell, I was only half-serious, and I'm about half-baked. I've been experimenting with over-proof rums in Tiki drinks. But I digress:

I am serious that there is something deeply disturbing, to me, about seeing a man vape. (I'll note that my browser also finds this disturbing -- as it tried to auto cucumber that word vape into cape, the rape (?!!), multiple times.)

Actually, I think I'd rather watch a guy suck an actual dick.

Here's the more manly thing to do: Vape for a while then quit. You don't need that crap. Nicotine is a goddamned herbicide. Drink coffee instead.

Posted by: Pastafarian at May 12, 2017 07:28 PM (sgHEm)

107 I believe propylene glycol is actual marketed as the pet safe antifreeze. It is also a stabilizer in a remarkable amount of foods.

Posted by: Aetius451AD's work phone at May 12, 2017 07:28 PM (Zc+RP)

108 LOL... I smoked for about 4 years while in the Navy... everyone did back then...

Then one day, I was in my workspace and ran out of Cigarettes... well... Workspace was all the way Forward, and I lived all the way Aft, on a 600 ft long Helo Carrier...

Walked back, got a pack, and then started walking forward, stopping off to talk to all the guys who worked for me...

And by the time I got back up where I was working, I was down to TWO left in the pack, from people bumming cigarettes off me (think I smoked like 3)....

Suddenly realized I was supporting everyone elses habits.... quit then and there...

Posted by: Don Q at May 12, 2017 07:28 PM (NgKpN)

109 Vaping doesn't bother me at all, funniest thing about it to me is they all seem to be using the Fruit Loop mixture.

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2017 07:28 PM (Ot7+c)

110 >>>
But it's the nicotine that turns your cardiovascular system into glass.

I'll have to read more about that. I do want to drop the vape, too.

But if someone is smoking, and can't do cold turkey (or semi-cold turkey as I did, using gum and patches in increasingly smaller doses over two weeks), then the vape is a least-bad option.

and as others have said, you can easily dial down the level of nicotine in your juice even down to 0.0 -- just mimicking the physical action with no nicotine at all.

also, generally, you naturally use less nicotine. If you're a smoker, you have FIVE MINUTES to get your nicotine load in so you smoke that damn cigarette hard to the filter. You get a big load of nicotine at once, a big spike, which makes you want that big spike later.

Vaping isn't like that because there's no cigarette to waste by just having a puff or two. You can have just one toke, then put it down, and have another one ten minutes later.

So while the mechanism of the cigarette encourages spike-dosing, the mechanism of the e-cig encourages maintainance dosing -- just a toke, put it down, it'll be there in ten minutes.

Generally I think people just start taking in less nicotine without even thinking about it or trying.

Posted by: ace at May 12, 2017 07:29 PM (8rNrN)

111 Actually, I think I'd rather watch a guy suck an actual dick.


Well, what are you doing later?

Posted by: Shep Smith at May 12, 2017 07:29 PM (eytER)

112 With the price of cigarettes (what is it now- $6.00?) I don't know how anyone can afford to smoke. For me, back when an occasional cig at a party was just fun, a pack was what, .$0.50?
Posted by: LASue, now even more deplorable! at May 12, 2017 07:25 PM (CLKfs)

Loosies baby, loosies.

See the fat black guy at the cornershop.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 12, 2017 07:29 PM (5VlCp)

113 I don't know for sure but havve heard a pack of cigs in NY city is $10

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2017 07:31 PM (Ot7+c)

114 >>>Here's the more manly thing to do: Vape for a while then quit. You don't need that crap. Nicotine is a goddamned herbicide. Drink coffee instead.

probably correct.

I don't really understand why you think it's gay to vape, except that you associate it with hipsters (young people) or someting.

I don't think it's cool, but I also don't see how it's gay.

People are encouraging me to start dialing the nicotine down, though.

I do think -- though I haven't "quit the vape" yet -- that getting rid of the vape will be a lot easier than quitting smoking itself.

Posted by: ace at May 12, 2017 07:33 PM (8rNrN)

115 Propylene glycol, eye lubricant.

Posted by: gNewt at May 12, 2017 07:33 PM (2d71x)

116 24 Commies gotta regulate. It's for the chirruns.
Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at May 12, 2017 07:02 PM (Tyii7)

And all the things they diverted the Master Settlement money to. Vaping doesn't feed the Master Settlement fund.

Posted by: Fox2! at May 12, 2017 07:33 PM (brIR5)

117 Last time I was in Australia, a pack was $20 AUS, and at the time, the exchange rate was close enough to not make much difference. Ridiculous.

Posted by: AntiProg at May 12, 2017 07:33 PM (XW9x3)

118 1. Stop all e-cigs sales.
2. ?????
3. Hillary is president!

Posted by: Sally Kohn at May 12, 2017 07:33 PM (npdX6)

119 I quit around 4 years ago by using the lozenge for about a month (worked far better for me than the patch or gum) then switching to e-cig when my will began to waver and I wanted to smoke. Have not wanted a regular cigarette since.

Posted by: Aetius451AD's work phone at May 12, 2017 07:34 PM (Zc+RP)

120 I agree with Ace - vaping doesn't come across to me as a hipster thing, though admittedly I don't have much cause to be around that generation. I guess it's like a smartphone kind of cigarette. Seems to me to have value if you want to tailor the blend to your taste, like homebrew or something.

Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks, AKA Worthless Imbecile at May 12, 2017 07:35 PM (eytER)

121 How hard is it for vapers to quit completely?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 12, 2017 07:35 PM (LTHVh)

122 Nicorette gum is good too-- Fruit Chill flavor is really good.

I got a lot of that gum still hanging around. Maybe I'll try this weekend to just use that.

Posted by: ace at May 12, 2017 07:36 PM (8rNrN)

123 In San Francisco they sell an e-cig called "Meat Whistle."

I shit you not.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at May 12, 2017 07:36 PM (npdX6)

124 21 How hard is it for vapers to quit completely?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 12, 2017 07:35 PM (LTHVh)

+++

I know 5 people who have gone from cigarettes, to vaping, to nothing.

Posted by: washrivergal at May 12, 2017 07:37 PM (+eKyB)

125 Quick, let's outlaw this technology before it saves more lives.




Do you know why? Lives saved = people living and eventually needing health care.

Health care costs money the states & fedgov don't have.

Always follow the money.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2017 07:37 PM (PCof0)

126 I vaped for around 6 months before I completely quit. Not everyone's experience, but there you go.

Posted by: AntiProg at May 12, 2017 07:37 PM (XW9x3)

127 OT: I guess Drudge says Starbucks Moscow got hacked today.

Posted by: wth at May 12, 2017 07:37 PM (HgMAr)

128 I know 5 people who have gone from cigarettes, to vaping, to nothing.
Posted by: washrivergal



Now you know 6.

Me.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2017 07:38 PM (PCof0)

129 I started smoking when I was 15 years old. I have noticed that people who start smoking while they are still growing have a harder time quitting than people who started in college or as an adult. My body thinks that being nicotine saturated is it's natural state. Because of this, I cannot 'cut back'. It's all or nothing for me.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 12, 2017 07:38 PM (LTHVh)

130 You know, I'm not sure why I associate vaping with an unsettling effeminacy.

Maybe because the younger generation does it, and it's a generation of soft-handed fags that can't change a tire.

Maybe because those same pussies tend to gravitate toward infantilized versions of alcoholic beverages, and so I assume that vaping is the same thing. Now, I've never sucked on a robot cock, so I don't know -- maybe it's as raw as one of those big Churchill cigars that makes you feel sick for 3 days.

But I doubt it. Because those doughy-fingered 22 year old dudes would probably die straight away if they ever smoked one of those goddamned dog turds.

And maybe I'm just buying into Big Tobacco's propaganda, when they put Marlon Brando in a leather jacket with a cigarette hanging gingerly from his mouth. (Yeah, I know, other things have hung gingerly from Brando's mouth, I appreciate the irony of that example.)

All I know is: It creeps me the fuck out.

Posted by: Pastafarian at May 12, 2017 07:38 PM (sgHEm)

131 121 How hard is it for vapers to quit completely?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 12, 2017 07:35 PM (LTHVh)

Have not tried honestly. I will say when I run out the cravings are different than cigarettes. Hard to explain. They do not seem as sharp.

Posted by: Aetius451AD's work phone at May 12, 2017 07:38 PM (Zc+RP)

132 >>>121 How hard is it for vapers to quit completely?

I dunno, I've quit smoking to go to nothing (no substitute), then I started vaping later, but i've never actually quit vaping.

A long time ago, in my next-to-last effort to quit, I had gone on vaping for like a year, but I didn't stop vaping to stop nicotine -- I backslid into smoking cigarettes.

It does seem to me that it MUST be easier to just stop vaping, given that there isn't really any psychological reinforcement to vaping -- it's not like people think "Oh, after dinner I'll have a nice post-meal vape" or "I'll bring a vape to a party so that I have an excuse to talk to girls." (One reason I started buying cigarettes -- so a girl would ask for one and I'd have five minutes to try to charm her.)

Posted by: ace at May 12, 2017 07:39 PM (8rNrN)

133 In San Francisco they sell an e-cig called "Meat Whistle."

With sales now rivaling those of the Fudge Pack.

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at May 12, 2017 07:39 PM (Tyii7)

134 In San Francisco they sell an e-cig called "Meat Whistle."

I shit you not.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at May 12, 2017 07:36 PM (npdX6)


Forget it Jake. It's LBGTQ town!

Posted by: Hrothgar at May 12, 2017 07:39 PM (gwPgz)

135 Quick, let's outlaw this technology before it saves more lives.
Do you know why? Lives saved = people living and eventually needing health care.
Health care costs money the states & fedgov don't have.
Always follow the money.

My dad was in a consulting firm which did some work with newly-liberated Eastern Europe. What do we do with our healthcare costs, the Czech government asked. Dad's company responded : hey, try encouraging those tasty unfiltered European cigarettes y'all got...

... dad left that evil office of evil soon after that.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 12, 2017 07:40 PM (6FqZa)

136 68 I've seen a lot of vapers use their devices, and there's a lot of obnoxious "smoke" - I assume it's ethylene glycol like in smoke machines.

One of the benefits, I thought, of e-cigs is that I can draw from it nearly any time without bothering other people with smoke. Can you get vape juice without that crap in it?
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at May 12, 2017 07:15 PM (17QyB)

How's it obnoxious? There's no odor and it dissipates almost immediately.

Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 12, 2017 07:43 PM (0mRoj)

137 "How hard to quit vaping"

I never really tried to completely stop, but I have gone weekends without vaping (although I am on the lowest nicotine level of juice). I go all day in an office without vaping and will only vape to and from work (sometimes not at all). I mainly vape heavily after I am home, watching the tube, drinking some wine.

I agree with the previous comments, the cravings aren't nearly as bad, actually no real "cravings"......

Posted by: JohnF at May 12, 2017 07:43 PM (0xKvq)

138 How hard is it for vapers to quit completely?



Not hard it you gradually step down. I literally "rolled" my own juice.

I ordered the nicotine juice and the flavoring and the vegetable glycerin. Started out at 36 mg nicotine and stepped down over two years to around 8 before switching to lozenges. Then quitting altogether about two years ago.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2017 07:43 PM (PCof0)

139 133 In San Francisco they sell an e-cig called "Meat Whistle."

With sales now rivaling those of the Fudge Pack.
Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at May 12, 2017 07:39 PM (Tyii7)

The ejuice tastes like ass.

Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 12, 2017 07:44 PM (0mRoj)

140 Moron in good standing or genius award winner?

kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article150166102.html

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 12, 2017 07:45 PM (vCbMW)

141
Do you know why? Lives saved = people living and eventually needing health care.

Health care costs money the states & fedgov don't have.

Always follow the money.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2017 07:37 PM (PCof0)

Everybody dies, so they spend that money one way or another, eventually.

Not everyone dies slowly and expensively, say with emphysema.

I think the real issue with the government is that their tax intake is down measurably due to vaping.

That, my friends, is how to piss off the government.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 12, 2017 07:45 PM (yL25O)

142 Can you get vape juice without that crap in it?
Posted by: Jeff Weimer



Make your own. Use vegetable glycerin instead of propylene glycol. Nowhere near as much vapor.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2017 07:45 PM (PCof0)

143 >>>How's it obnoxious? There's no odor and it dissipates almost immediately.

it does have an odor, due to the flavoring.

It's not a bad odor, but if you've got a strong flavor like Sweet and Sour in there, people are going to smell it.

It has no natural odor. You can get juice with no flavor at all, which I might do, because actually when you vape these things hourly, you stop tasting that flavor anyway.

Posted by: ace at May 12, 2017 07:46 PM (8rNrN)

144 If it's really about health, they should be glad to see vaping...

Of course, I realized that the real reason they love to regulate is that it brings monied interests to them to buy favorable treatment.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 12, 2017 07:46 PM (oVJmc)

145 I think the real issue with the government is that their tax intake is down measurably due to vaping.

That, my friends, is how to piss off the government.
Posted by: TexasDan at May 12, 2017 07:45 PM (yL25O)

I think that's exactly right. Tax revenue from cigs is down do they want to start fucking over the vapers.

Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 12, 2017 07:47 PM (0mRoj)

146 junkies talking junk

Posted by: KansasCJ at May 12, 2017 07:47 PM (0CjmW)

147 Do they make flavored ones without nicotine?

Posted by: josephistan at May 12, 2017 07:47 PM (ANIFC)

148 Do they make flavored ones without nicotine?



Yes. At least the vape shops around me do.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2017 07:48 PM (PCof0)

149 How's it obnoxious? There's no odor and it dissipates almost immediately.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 12, 2017 07:43 PM (0mRoj)

This.

When they first came out I sat next to a guy on a plane--he actually had to explain to me what it was. He was extremely concerned that it would bother me and wanted me to tell him if it did.

He used it several times. I never smelled a thing.

I cannot fathom any objection to these devices other than the Lithium battery issues.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 12, 2017 07:48 PM (yL25O)

150 People trying to improve themselves sure attracts Those Guys. It's like catnip to assholes.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 12, 2017 07:48 PM (LTHVh)

151 >>>Can you get vape juice without that crap in it?
Posted by: Jeff Weimer



Make your own. Use vegetable glycerin instead of propylene glycol. Nowhere near as much vapor.

...

yeah but I don't want to make it sound too difficult for anyone who wants to try the simple version.

but yeah, you can buy dirt-cheap vegetable glycerin at CVS or another drug store and just mix it with any juice you have to reduce the PG %, as well as the flavor % and the nicotine %.

The flavor thing is no big deal because you stop tasting the flavor anyway (mostly). When I vaped before this last time, I didn't bother putting flavor in at all, and didn't really care about it not being flavored.

Basically the flavor is there so that the first three days you can say "Wow I like this flavor" and then you stop even noticing it.

Posted by: ace at May 12, 2017 07:49 PM (8rNrN)

152 Again watch the Prager U video on E cigarettes

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2017 07:49 PM (Ot7+c)

153 147 Do they make flavored ones without nicotine?
Posted by: josephistan at May 12, 2017 07:47 PM (ANIFC)

Yes. Most juices I've encountered are available without nicotine.

Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 12, 2017 07:49 PM (0mRoj)

154 Moron in good standing or genius award winner?

The moral of the story would seem to be, "don't be a stupid 'ho"

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 12, 2017 07:49 PM (6FqZa)

155 Basically the flavor is there so that the first three days you can say "Wow I like this flavor" and then you stop even noticing it.



*snort*

So true.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2017 07:50 PM (PCof0)

156 The real question is if you can make vape rings.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 12, 2017 07:51 PM (yL25O)

157 you can get nicotine with no flavor and you can get flavor with no nicotine.

You can also get just the fluid (VG + PG) without either flavor or nicotine, when you're doing the zero point zero thing where you're just mimicking the action of smoking with no actual biological effect.

Though at that point you maybe should just try meditative breathing, because all you're really doing is filling your lungs up. Which can be done lots of ways with no props.

Posted by: ace at May 12, 2017 07:51 PM (8rNrN)

158 The real question is if you can make vape rings.

You can.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 12, 2017 07:51 PM (LTHVh)

159 Does vaping release more greenhouse gasses than regular smoking?

Posted by: Al Gore at May 12, 2017 07:53 PM (vRcUp)

160 when you're doing the zero point zero thing where you're just mimicking the action of smoking




Which was always the hardest thing for me to break.
The hand to mouth motion. I chewed up so many cheap Bic Crystal ball point pens it's not funny.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2017 07:53 PM (PCof0)

161 I had to quit smoking for several weeks when I was getting a dental implant. I had smoked about a pack a day for 30+ years after quitting for 7 years earlier. After a weeks of insane cravings, I asked the doc if I could try vaping and he said I could so I tried it. Once he said I could smoke, I went to get a pack and it was $6.75! That was just ridiculous. I am down to 6 mg. nicotine after 2 1/2 years of vaping with a fairly simple vaper. I do recommend it-even with the new taxes, vaping is a helluva lot cheaper.
BTW SHOCK I don't really believe all of the hype about the dangers of smoking. People are fatter, lung cancer cases seem steady, and the libtards started a trend of making anything that they disapproved of socially unacceptable and the sheeple fell for it. People are dying of old age diseases as they always will and we never have seen that longer life from not smoking.
Sorry-just MHO.

Posted by: Bookdoc at May 12, 2017 07:54 PM (PzBTm)

162 sorry Grumpy. I'll leave now.

Posted by: KansasCJ at May 12, 2017 07:54 PM (0CjmW)

163 >>>Which was always the hardest thing for me to break.
The hand to mouth motion.

THIS

Posted by: Barack Obama's Questing Mouth at May 12, 2017 07:55 PM (8rNrN)

164 Question for morons: wasnt alcohol vaping a thing about 5 years ago? To save the liver.

Help me here, I've lost the thread.

Posted by: Jeanne del Norte blanco grande at May 12, 2017 07:57 PM (B9dAp)

165 i quit smoking while i was still w*rking repo.

i'd just grab a handfull of paper wrapped straws at the burger stand, and carried them around with me.

wanted a smoke? just pull out a straw, unwrap it, and then chewed on it whist putting it in and taking it out, just like you would a cigarette.

no cost, no calories, and, if you dropped one or whatever, there were more to take its place.

slid back once, when i went to Ft Slam for BMO, and it was like being in basic all over, but threw the last pack away at the airport, and never went back.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 12, 2017 08:00 PM (vCbMW)

166 wasnt alcohol vaping a thing about 5 years ago? To save the liver.




Vape vodka at work so no one knows.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2017 08:00 PM (PCof0)

167 >>>I never really tried to completely stop, but I have gone weekends without vaping (although I am on the lowest nicotine level of juice). I go all day in an office without vaping and will only vape to and from work (sometimes not at all). I mainly vape heavily after I am home, watching the tube, drinking some wine.

I agree with the previous comments, the cravings aren't nearly as bad, actually no real "cravings"......

...

I mentioned this in the other thread, but I was in an all-day seminar where I couldn't vape, and it really only even occurred to me "Man, I need nicotine" at the tail end of it.

The good thing is, because you can just take two puffs -- there is no lighting the cigarette, you don't have to smoke the whole thing, etc. -- you can just step out for literally 30 seconds and come back in with a little bit of nicotine to finish up.

It does have the salutary effect of de-ritualizing nicotine dosing. It's not this whole "thing" -- like when you're smoking, you're smoking. You need to do these steps, you need to go outside, you need to get as much of that cigarette smoked so as not to waste it, etc.

And btw, vaping is hardly noticeable anyway so you can pretty much get away with doing it indoors, too, as long as you're not pluming out big white clouds right in front of someone in authority.

If you're like waiting to see a doctor, you can just step right into the hall, take a puff, blow it out discretely (not in one big plume), then walk back in and sit down with no one the wiser.

Posted by: ace at May 12, 2017 08:01 PM (8rNrN)

168 I use the eGo AIO, too. But I switched from the round one to the box. Same thing, but it's rectangular. Think the battery is a bit more powerful and long-lasting, too. $17 online.

Posted by: tsj017 at May 12, 2017 08:04 PM (XHsX7)

169 Great Post, i just quit a month ago started vaping the same day, it's a great way to quit, and you are 100% correct on the coughing thing, goes away in a couple of days.

Posted by: Edwin at May 12, 2017 08:04 PM (Djvrj)

170 >>>168 I use the eGo AIO, too. But I switched from the round one to the box. Same thing, but it's rectangular. Think the battery is a bit more powerful and long-lasting, too. $17 online.

i didn't know they made a different box-like version. Thanks.

Posted by: ace at May 12, 2017 08:06 PM (8rNrN)

171 I tried vaping some years ago. It sucked. Taste was horrible, vapor was thin and a pale imitation of smoking, and the awful-smelling juice got everywhere.

So I thought maybe things had improved, and gave it another whack. Whoa. There has been a revolution. Ample battery packs, high tech "mods" to deal with the tricky aspects of these high-capacity batteries, all sorts of tanks, and good-tasting vapor. And forget thin -- you can puff out a cloud that will entirely hide you from sight. This is fun.

But yes, there are sure a lot of choices out there. It took me half of an afternoon just to soak up enough of the new terminology to halfway figure out what's going on.

FWIW, I wound up with a starter kit for the Vaporesso Target Pro. The tank sometimes leaks a bit (and sometimes doesn't), so I've ordered a possible alternative that claims to be really good about leaks. Except for the leaks, this thing is amazing.

Posted by: Splunge at May 12, 2017 08:07 PM (iMxBJ)

172
I smoke. Sometimes as much as a pack a month if stress levels are high. Frequently I go several days without lighting up.

That has been my habit for nearly my whole life, not too likely to change at this stage.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 12, 2017 08:10 PM (S/hVx)

173 Of course, I realized that the real reason they love to regulate is that it brings monied interests to them to buy favorable treatment.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 12, 2017 07:46 PM (oVJmc)


K Street are the pimps, congress are the whores, and we are the tricks.

Posted by: gNewt at May 12, 2017 08:11 PM (2d71x)

174 I've guit multiple times for up to 5 years each in my roughly 40 years of on and off smoking. Major life stresses always brought me back. It was easy to pick it back up. Then I started vaping. You have to get the more powerful expensive ecigs or it will never work. The hit to your lungs is as addictive as the nicotine itself. 3 days after starting the ecig I was done with cigarettes. That was over 3 years ago. I took a puff off a cigarette about a year ago and for the first time in my smoking life it was disgusting. I hope to get to 0 nicotine ( I'm at . To leftists it's evil tobacco, evil ecigs but marijuana is the best thing since sliced bread. No wonder they're all a bunch of loons.

Posted by: Whippet at May 12, 2017 08:24 PM (H4z1M)

175 Some bullshit happened today in Roanoke County
http://tinyurl.com/mmxenom

Reference
www.theonion.com/v/1349

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 12, 2017 08:25 PM (6FqZa)

176 I don't smoke, and I don't vape. (Honestly, vaping kind of creeps me out a little bit, but whatevs.)

But I WISH to GOD vaping had been around when my Dad was alive. He died from emphysema. He tried to quit smoking dozens of time that i can remember, but never managed for more than a month or two.

If he had vaped, he'd still be alive today.

And i miss him.

Posted by: fretless at May 12, 2017 08:48 PM (ZErNA)

177 Hi this is for Ace.

OT, old thread, sorry, but this is what I do when insomnia hits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzMQza8xZCc

Posted by: Johnny at May 12, 2017 09:00 PM (3GmAF)

178 It took me half of an afternoon just to soak up enough of the new terminology to halfway figure out what's going on.




You ain't kidding! Take all the brands of cigarettes you've *ever* heard of, and multiply it by 100 or so... Tyranny of Choices, indeed.

I have an Aspire Nautilus Mini, which I loved, until it started "spitting" --and this is after being propped upright for a couple of days-- will disassemble, clean and start over.....

But I finally found some useful (beginner-level) info, which I'll share:

https://www.vapeshop.com/product-information/

It's tough talking with the guys at local vape store because I don't know all the terminology, and of course they're w*rking on commission.

I only want a basic, no-frills, just-gimme-the- damned-nicotine- already and no weirdo 'extra cloudiness' or funky flavors, please.

Except the cinnamon. I put a couple of drops into the tank for just a hint of it. Pleasant.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at May 12, 2017 09:16 PM (5muuD)

179 I especially loved the chapter in the Carr book about all the good things smoking cigarettes does for you. That one helped me bigly. I went straight to it after reading the first chapter, I was so curious.

I used both for a fair bit of time before reading the book. Then went tabac only to prepare, then vape for just three days, and haven't looked back for two years. (Except a few times when stressed and kind of wanted a hit. Didn't, but had small craveses.)

sUb HuMaNs R00L

Posted by: JR Bob Dobbs at May 12, 2017 09:49 PM (5oZ8B)

180 I quit after 40 years when the state put an extra $1 pack tax on them Jan 1, 2007 (Texas). They said it was to shift the tax burden off the homeowners. Nothing like pi$$ing me off to make me do something. Yes, you need motivation - you need to want to NOT smoke. Chantix also helped, but it won't work by itself.

Posted by: wayne at May 12, 2017 09:51 PM (+JFwL)

181 Also: a complaint about vaping equipment terminology: you couldn't come up with a better term for "the part you put in your mouth to draw in the vapor" than...

DRIP TIP?!??

If it's dripping, it's not working right. Also, gross.

Posted by: Splunge at May 12, 2017 09:55 PM (iMxBJ)

182 176 Honestly, vaping kind of creeps me out a little bit, but whatevs.
Posted by: fretless at May 12, 2017 08:48 PM (ZErNA)

I get that. In finding my setup, I had to watch multiple review videos, and I started turning my head away whenever people actually vaped. It's weird somehow. But hey, I don't have mirrors in my study, and I figure I'll avoid vaping in front of the wife, to keep my intimacy on the straight and narrow.

Posted by: Splunge at May 12, 2017 09:57 PM (iMxBJ)

183 Been a two pack a day smoker for almost 40 years. The three different times I quit were cold turkey. The longest quit was three months. Someone mentioned .50 cents a pack...I remember paying less than 2 bucks for a carton when I started smoking. I go on the road a lot for several weeks at a time so I stock up on cigs at 32 bucks a carton.

I quit smoking every night, but as ACE says, it's the psychological aspect of smoking that's the hardest thing to get around.

I've tried a couple of the cheaper E-Cigs, but they didn't seem to do the trick for me.

Posted by: Mike G. at May 12, 2017 10:12 PM (R5lpX)

184 Smoked 3 packs a day of the short unfiltered Camels (the Army made me do it, y' know) for 35 years. Had my heart attack in '92. Tried the patches (allergic reaction to the adhesive), tried the gum (tasted terrible), and the only thing that worked was Cold Turkey Quittin'. Been quit now for about 25 years. If I'm watchin' an old B&W WWII movie and someone lights up, I still get an instant cravin' for a cigarette, but that passes in 3 or 4 minutes. It's a great example of how deep nicotine's hook goes. I look at the per-pack / per-carton price when I fill up the gas tank and conclude I couldn't afford to smoke at today's prices. First thing I noticed after quitting was the large amount of extra disposable income I had - that was the best part about quitting. Well, that, and not burning holes in brand-new shirts and slacks anymore. Not smelling like an ashtray from one drag right after a shower was another plus. Quitting wasn't easy, but bein' clean for 25 years is my motivator to never pick up another Camel or, worse, a 'vape' unit. In retrospect, my unfiltered Camels were a lot safer than today's Exploding Vape Units ...

Posted by: Dr_No at May 12, 2017 10:25 PM (imDUY)

185 I'm approaching 3 years cig-free thanks to vaping (after almost 30 years on the sticks). Started on GreenSmoke e-cigs (batteries that look like cigarettes, juice in the screw-on 'filters') but that was absurdly expensive. So I switched to mods. Really basic ones. The cylindrical ones do indeed roll, and then break, a lot. So now I use a Nugget with the same Nautilus Mini tank I've had since going to mods. Really simple and easy. And I never even think about cigarettes.

Posted by: Dodd at May 12, 2017 11:20 PM (If7bJ)

186 From a regulatory position, two words: nanny state.

From a Big Tobacco stand point. Their mission is to be an absolute monopoly. They risk losing their revenue stream as tobacco use declines. The threat in large part is the Vape industry. Pursue that source or destroy it. To do that most efficiently is to enlist the FDA's regulatory authority to drive the competition out of business by increasing the cost of entry and ongoing regulation to ridiculous heights.

Just a little conspiracy theory.

Posted by: dlsaylor at May 13, 2017 08:04 AM (MD/YN)

187 E-cigs make the anti-smoking nazi's heads explode, because e-cigs look like cigarettes and they're used like cigarettes, and smokers using them look like they're enjoying themselves, and that's just too much for the do-gooders to abide. OUTLAW THEM!!!

Posted by: random thought generator at May 13, 2017 11:20 AM (iOKfQ)

188 I started vaping in 2010. Quit the ciggies three days later and never went back. I vape the Ego e-cig with a little nicotine in the tobacco-flavored juice. Try it, you'll like it!

Posted by: Barb at May 13, 2017 01:59 PM (0joid)

189 I smoked 2-3 packs a day for 20+ years and then a pack a day for at least 10.

I enjoyed smoking, sure I quit a few times, once for a little over a year but missed it every fucking day.

Smoking became an irritant due to the Missus and I doing the international travel thing, we started doing multi week vacations and cruises after most of the five kids moved out.

Six to eight hours on a flight plus the pre boarding hours just got to be too much of an annoyance for me so I started looking at the ecigs as a get by thing, if you are discrete you can use them pretty much everywhere I've found.

I smoked Newport lights for the last 30 years I smoked so finding an ecig flavoring that I liked was key to me. I tried the easy to find ecigs, the vape stores with the hundreds of flavors, online places and then ran into the greensmoke ones, bingo, I found the one. It's now 1.5 years since I lit up and couldn't be happier. It's quite remarkable to me how easy and painless it was to go from being a lifelong smoker to a nonsmoking one.

Sure the greensmoke ones cost a little bit more overall but it's a tiny percentage compared to regular cigarettes but the quality of life aspects are stunning on a comparative basis.

Well that's my take on it all anyway, anyone wanna see pics of my schlong? Comey was jealous of the ones Hildabeast and I sent to each other and that's why he personally inspected my laptop, oh snap you folks didn't know Hillary had a schlong? It explains how her and Bill managed to stay together duh.

Posted by: Anthony Weiners Ghostly Schlong at May 13, 2017 02:59 PM (UaguQ)

190 Tobacco farmers, corn farmers. Different issues but same desires: profit. Replace tobacco with vapes, replace ethanol with pure gas and you have angry farmers.

Posted by: Detroit Boy at May 13, 2017 04:23 PM (nTFvL)

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