Survey Finds, Shockingly, that Progressives are the Least Tolerant Group on College Campuses

Most of them would be very offended to have to share a room with someone who's political beliefs didn't coincide with their own.

This reminds me of a point I think is worth making:

Conservatives used to speak of "moral relativism" derisively, and sometimes still do. However, the bulk of conservative argumentation is actually about tolerant inclusive pluralism -- because they merely want to voice dissident opinions (dissident, though often having firm majority support in the public) without being legally or economically punished for it.

Meanwhile, progressives continue to laughingly speak of pluralism, tolerance, inclusivity -- the idea that their are "many truths," and some things may seem true to you depending on where you stand -- while in fact pushing a coercive totalitarian line that exactly One truth is true, and all other are not only false, but punishable through extra-legal social justice, which may involve some phonied up charges laid against you, or a college kangaroo court, or mace in the face, or a coordinated political campaign to deprive you of your livelihood.

This is strange. People should know what they are really arguing for.

Posted by: Ace at 11:34 AM

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1 Is too early for Bourbon?

Posted by: USMC8541 One Shot to Slay them All at May 03, 2017 11:26 AM (xGZ+b)

2 Never too early for bourbon.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 03, 2017 11:27 AM (kTF2Z)

3 4th, most likely.

Posted by: Vanceone at May 03, 2017 11:29 AM (HcgJZ)

4 Everything I have seen in the past 10 to 20 years tells me that families would be much better off NOT sending their kids to any college. Send them to a trade school or just let them go out and get a job. Colleges are not just a money sink, they are shit too.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 03, 2017 11:29 AM (mpXpK)

5
but punishable through extra-legal social justice

They're just practicing for when they can punish Kulaks, wreckers and counter-revolutionaries through legal social justice carried out by organs of the state.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 03, 2017 11:29 AM (XWkhW)

6 Is there enough bourbon?

Posted by: dantesed at May 03, 2017 11:29 AM (88xKn)

7 Let a thousand flowers bloom.

As long as they all Lean Left

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 03, 2017 11:29 AM (SIY7D)

8 Survey Finds, Shockingly, that Progressives are the Least Tolerant Group on College Campuses

They had to do a survey for this?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2017 11:29 AM (Njtx4)

9 Is too early for Bourbon?

It's never too early.

Posted by: Louis XIV at May 03, 2017 11:29 AM (JZdsf)

10 ahoogah,ahoogah, the bar is now open.

Posted by: JEM at May 03, 2017 11:29 AM (TppKb)

11 People should know what they are really arguing for.

Posted by: Ace at 11:34 AM

And yet they won't look if you try to show them.

Posted by: Emmie at May 03, 2017 11:29 AM (ZapPq)

12 *still reading*

*still reading*

I think someone put decaf into the pot this morning.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 03, 2017 11:29 AM (C52a9)

13 If I were to go to colledge I would wants my roommate to be Micheal Obama because she is the smartest woman in this county other then Hilllary Cliton.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 03, 2017 11:29 AM (WmgTn)

14 So I wasn't 4th, but I did call the corgi's. No one else did!

Posted by: Vanceone at May 03, 2017 11:30 AM (HcgJZ)

15
I saw Mace In the Face open for the Faces at the Fillmore East back in '70.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 03, 2017 11:30 AM (mbhDw)

16 "9 Is too early for Bourbon?

It's never too early.
Posted by: Louis XIV at May 03, 2017 11:29 AM (JZdsf)"

***golf clap***

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at May 03, 2017 11:31 AM (Ss6r7)

17
7 Let a thousand flowers bloom.

As long as they all Lean Left

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 03, 2017 11:29 AM (SIY7D)

No, no. Let a thousand flowers bloom.......so that we can identify the counter-revolutionaries for liquidation at a later date.

Posted by: Zombie Mao Tse-tung at May 03, 2017 11:31 AM (XWkhW)

18 13 If I were to go to colledge I would wants my roommate to be Micheal Obama because she is the smartest woman in this county other then Hilllary Cliton.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 03, 2017 11:29 AM (WmgTn)

Michael is very Learned.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 03, 2017 11:31 AM (mbhDw)

19 The problem is getting liberals to look at what they really believe in any form.

I've tried in grad school, and they literally got red as a tomato and ran from the room screaming.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 03, 2017 11:31 AM (72PAC)

20 2 Never too early for bourbon.

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but sometimes too Late

Posted by: Louis XVI at May 03, 2017 11:31 AM (h/uSM)

21 2
Never too early for bourbon.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 03, 2017 11:27 AM (kTF2Z)

****Amen brother - and I would also say that, as the Derby is coming up, pre-noon, mint juleps are "de rigeur!"

Posted by: Publius Redux at May 03, 2017 11:32 AM (Fb9aZ)

22 but sometimes too Late
Posted by: Louis XVI at May 03, 2017 11:31 AM (h/uSM)

Basket case.

Posted by: Louis XIV at May 03, 2017 11:32 AM (JZdsf)

23 Surprised status:

[] Surprised
[x] No fucking shit, of course

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 03, 2017 11:32 AM (KUaJL)

24 Is there any area in which the Left lives in reality, or in which they care about objective truth?

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 03, 2017 11:32 AM (hJrjt)

25 To disagree with progressives in the classroom, particularly the raging lesbian feminist professor = "hate speech".

Also, you cannot bring a Bible into class!!!

I kid you not.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/lrqewng

Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2017 11:33 AM (NOIQH)

26 Henry Ford once said of his cars, "You can have any color you want, as long as it's black." That's exactly how the progressives are when it comes to free thought and opinion, "You can have any opinion you want, as long as it's OURS."

Posted by: JoeF. at May 03, 2017 11:33 AM (7uYFy)

27 ****Amen brother - and I would also say that, as the Derby is coming up, pre-noon, mint juleps are "de rigeur!"

"De riguer." That's like French isn't it? Man, this place has gotten so classy that I may put on some pants.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 03, 2017 11:33 AM (JZdsf)

28 People should know what they are really arguing for.

Posted by: Ace

One third of the Left are Kindergarten democrats; "don't hit, be nice, share." They don't understand the contradiction.

Next third understand the contradiction but feel the need to believe there is a greater good in silencing the opposition.

The final third engineered the contradiction and wants us dead.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 03, 2017 11:33 AM (GgzGa)

29 Greetings:

One Truth to rule them all.

Posted by: 11B40 at May 03, 2017 11:33 AM (evgyj)

30 So, this is the Bourbon thread now?

I'm all in.

Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at May 03, 2017 11:33 AM (jAZR9)

31 9 Is too early for Bourbon?

It's never too early.

Posted by: Louis XIV at May 03, 2017 11:29 AM (JZdsf)"

****
Very early "thread winner" nominee

Posted by: Publius Redux at May 03, 2017 11:34 AM (Fb9aZ)

32

After dozens of anarchists allegedly caused more than $100,000 in damage to new buildings and high-end cars Monday night in North Philadelphia, two of them apparently became trapped between groups of residents on either end of the short 1500 block of North Palethorp Street.

http://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=337024

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 03, 2017 11:34 AM (IqV8l)

33 We won't report this survey, so it didn't happen, and is meaningless.

We will report that progressives on campus are tolerant and non-violent, until they are attacked by weapon wielding conservative Nazi KKK thugs.

Conservatives are the enemy; they are violent, racist and hateful. We report that every night, and people know we tell the truth.

Who is going to believe a survey when they hear the same thing on every radio and tv station and in every newspaper?

Posted by: The MFM at May 03, 2017 11:34 AM (8zWAk)

34 I've taken moral relativism to be in regards to actions (You can't say that deviant activity X is wrong!) rather than ideas.

Tolerance for ideas should be wider than tolerance for actions.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 03, 2017 11:34 AM (h/uSM)

35 This is strange. People should know what they are really arguing for.
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I think that condition is counter-entropic, though.

Posted by: Axeman at May 03, 2017 11:34 AM (2mC6G)

36 >>....because they merely want to voice dissident opinions (dissident, though
often having firm majority support in the public) without being legally
or economically punished for it.

In 2017, they don't want to be shouted down, surrounded, chased out of the room and/or injured.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2017 11:35 AM (NOIQH)

37 My guess is that the libs would say that they are enforcing pluralism.

Posted by: MAGA at May 03, 2017 11:35 AM (LQ1Q3)

38 Who will be the 21st century Archduke Ferdinand? The flashpoint that starts everybody shooting?

Posted by: Hikaru at May 03, 2017 11:35 AM (qshm3)

39 Is there any area in which the Left lives in reality, or in which they care about objective truth?

I just know that truth can be edited when necessary.

Posted by: Bill Nye the Socialist Slogan Guy at May 03, 2017 11:35 AM (JZdsf)

40 I was pretty conservative in my college days. I didn't really realize how conservative, to tell you the truth. I hit it off with my super libby roommate. We were roommates for all 4 years of college and remained friends through our 30s. Then it kind of all fell apart when she went off the deep end (politically). So we are now not really friends any longer.

However, I do think I was more tolerant of diverse viewpoints in college. I didn't have my own ideas 100% in place. As I got older, those view solidified...especially after having children.

I did not mind being in the same room with a liberal. We mostly talked about our families, boys, and classes. We did not have in depth discussions about our political views.

I actually avoided taking philosophy b/c I knew I would be surrounded by liberal jerks. Not for me.

Anyway, I don't see why someone's politics would interfere with being roommates. Sad that these kids are afraid of making a good friend.

Posted by: K-E at May 03, 2017 11:35 AM (uOEHQ)

41 My way or the Autobahn!

Posted by: Literally Hitler at May 03, 2017 11:35 AM (bc2Lc)

42 34 I've taken moral relativism to be in regards to actions (You can't say that deviant activity X is wrong!) rather than ideas.

Tolerance for ideas should be wider than tolerance for actions.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 03, 2017 11:34 AM (h/uSM)

This. They've got it flipped.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 03, 2017 11:35 AM (KUaJL)

43 "Diversity" started out bad: as tribal/identity politics, based on race, ethnicity and sex, dressed up as fake tolerance.

It has now mutated to a more virulent form, incompatible with tolerance.

"Diversity" now means simply the elevation of self-identified "victims" of the white/Christian patriarchy over anyone or anything its proponents identify as the white/Christian patriarchy, which now includes Jews, Western Civilization, all Republicans and America itself.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at May 03, 2017 11:35 AM (QtQaN)

44 7 Let a thousand flowers bloom.

As long as they all Lean Left
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 03, 2017 11:29 AM (SIY7D)

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but not so far as to tip the island over.

Why is the 's' in Island silent. That's just odd.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 03, 2017 11:35 AM (h/uSM)

45 Diversity = Many minds, one thought.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 03, 2017 11:36 AM (kTF2Z)

46

This reminds me of a point I think is worth making:

Conservatives used to speak of "moral relativism" derisively, and
sometimes still do. However, the bulk of conservative argumentation is
actually about tolerant inclusive pluralism -- because they
merely want to voice dissident opinions (dissident, though often having
firm majority support in the public) without being legally or
economically punished for it.

Meanwhile, progressives continue to laughingly speak of pluralism,
tolerance, inclusivity -- the idea that their are "many truths," and
some things may seem true to you depending on where you stand -- while
in fact pushing a coercive totalitarian line that exactly One
truth is true, and all other are not only false, but punishable through
extra-legal social justice, which may involve some phonied up charges
laid against you, or a college kangaroo court, or mace in the face, or a
coordinated political campaign to deprive you of your livelihood.

This is strange. People should know what they are really arguing for.

Posted by ace

o.o Well phrased

Going to have to remember to use this one in future

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at May 03, 2017 11:36 AM (6JL3d)

47 Me and the wife were having drinks with another couple and their neighbors last weekend. Our hostess is 60s, hardcore Hillaryous. Somehow talk about campus speakers came up. Her view was so restrictive on the face of it, I had to repeat to her what she'd said to make sure I'd understood. "So, Patty, you're saying that you believe people should actually prohibit the speech of those they disagree with?"

Her jaw-dropping conversation-stopper. "Yes, if they're intolerant."

Switched gears to talking about the Nats.

Posted by: General Zod at May 03, 2017 11:36 AM (Bdeb0)

48 The colleges and universities have abandoned America. Time for America to abandon them.

Online schools, trade schools, apprenticeships.

You know what studying is? It's reading. And then applying what you read.

Abe Lincoln did it on the back of a hearth shovel with charcoal.

Who needs these people?

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 03, 2017 11:36 AM (C52a9)

49 14 So I wasn't 4th, but I did call the corgi's. No one else did!

Posted by: Vanceone at May 03, 2017 11:30 AM (HcgJZ)

look at 439 in the old thread. I was civilized- I exposed the noodness. (if by civilized we mean there is Bourbon involved)

Posted by: USMC8541 One Shot to Slay them All at May 03, 2017 11:36 AM (NmR1a)

50 Yeah, this information comes as a total shock to me.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess (T) at May 03, 2017 11:37 AM (tHwdc)

51 Most of the very strident leftists/progressives that I see strike me as the social misfits from high school. And once they get into a position of power, they are bound and determined to punish every person who reminds them of those who they think were mean to them when they were younger.

Some of the worst of these are the militant lesbians and the sociopathic nerds.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at May 03, 2017 11:37 AM (Ss6r7)

52 "De riguer." That's like French isn't it? Man, this place has gotten so classy that I may put on some ~~pants~~ pantaloons.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 03, 2017 11:33 AM (JZdsf)

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Repairer la pour vous

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 03, 2017 11:37 AM (h/uSM)

53 speaking of starting to drink early, Al Franken now has his turn to question Comey. You can guess what he's going on about.

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at May 03, 2017 11:38 AM (b7fwp)

54 One third of the Left are Kindergarten democrats; "don't hit, be nice, share." They don't understand the contradiction.

Next third understand the contradiction but feel the need to believe there is a greater good in silencing the opposition.

The final third engineered the contradiction and wants us dead.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 03, 2017 11:33 AM (GgzGa)
=====^^^THIS^^^

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 03, 2017 11:38 AM (MIKMs)

55 ****
Very early "thread winner" nominee
Posted by: Publius Redux at May 03, 2017 11:34 AM (Fb9aZ)

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and any comment from Chelsea. Si vous plait

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 03, 2017 11:39 AM (h/uSM)

56 Most of the very strident leftists/progressives that I see strike me as the social misfits from high school. And once they get into a position of power, they are bound and determined to punish every person who reminds them of those who they think were mean to them when they were younger.

Some of the worst of these are the militant lesbians and the sociopathic nerds.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at May 03, 2017 11:37 AM (Ss6r7)

Barry: You didn't mention barely closeted gays, raised by commies who are lashing out at the whole world because we...err...they wouldn't do that.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 03, 2017 11:39 AM (493sH)

57 This is what a professor wrote to her class when she declared she was 'reinstating civility':

"I want this to be clear: hate speech does not meet the definition of respectful discussion and will not be tolerated," she wrote. "In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group."

I'd really love to hear where she thinks this law exists, because it's not in the USA.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2017 11:39 AM (NOIQH)

58 After all, it was those awful white male conservatives who gave us the Bill of Rights. which allows liberals to speak out even if it offends conservatives.

Just imagine the nightmare if today's liberals wrote the Bill of Rights?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 03, 2017 11:39 AM (4AVeu)

59 my latest schtick is responding to millenial's texts with emojis because I contend they can't actually comprehend words.

Posted by: Lord Sir x at May 03, 2017 11:39 AM (nFwvY)

60 Anyway, I don't see why someone's politics would interfere with being roommates. Sad that these kids are afraid of making a good friend.
Posted by: K-E at May 03, 2017 11:35 AM (uOEHQ)

In virtually 100% of the cases I've been personally involved with, heard about or observed, liberals/progressives/democrats are the ones who will break up a friendship--or even family bonds--over politics. They simply brook no dissent.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 03, 2017 11:40 AM (7uYFy)

61 29 Greetings:

One Truth to rule them all.
Posted by: 11B40 at May 03, 2017 11:33 AM (evgyj)

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one narrative. They can't be expected to handle the Truth (whatever that is)

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 03, 2017 11:40 AM (h/uSM)

62 Manamana.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2017 11:22 AM (Njtx4)
__________

It's still going.. bastard.

Posted by: IP at May 03, 2017 11:40 AM (2hqkh)

63 "So, Patty, you're saying that you believe people should actually prohibit the speech of those they disagree with?"

Her jaw-dropping conversation-stopper. "Yes, if they're intolerant."

Switched gears to talking about the Nats.

Posted by: General Zod at May 03, 2017 11:36 AM (Bdeb0)

I can't tolerate the intolerant!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 03, 2017 11:40 AM (493sH)

64 Anyway, I don't see why someone's politics would interfere with being roommates. Sad that these kids are afraid of making a good friend.

Posted by: K-E at May 03, 2017 11:35 AM (uOEHQ)

Because their politics aren't just politics anymore. These people are participating in the destruction of the nation. Why would you want to be around scum like that, no matter how "nice" they are?

You will find a great deal of contentment cutting these people out of your life, be they family, friend, or whatever. They aren't worth it anymore.

Posted by: Country Boy at May 03, 2017 11:40 AM (Jcg9Q)

65
but easily justified bigotry when the Left dismisses everyone else as "haters"

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 03, 2017 11:40 AM (1mtMy)

66 People should know what they are really arguing for.

Those of us who are woke do.

What do we want?

Free beer!

When do we want it?

Now!!!!

Posted by: That Woke Guy at May 03, 2017 11:40 AM (DMUuz)

67
I'd really love to hear where she thinks this law exists, because it's not in the USA.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2017 11:39 AM

Obey Ape law!!

Posted by: Dr. Zaius at May 03, 2017 11:41 AM (IqV8l)

68 Diversity = Racist code word of the left for "Not White."

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 03, 2017 11:41 AM (4AVeu)

69 What is truth?

Posted by: Pontius Liberal at May 03, 2017 11:41 AM (h/uSM)

70 "This is strange."

Not at all.

If you believe there is one truth, then the best way to find that truth is through constant testing and argumentation, to ensure that it is the truth you believe, not a lie. This is Locke 101.

If you believe there are an infinite number of truths, then it becomes vital that you shut up competing truths, lest yours loses.

Posted by: JSchuler at May 03, 2017 11:41 AM (YsGL+)

71 I find it easy to understand, in view of a single guiding principle: everything they say is dezinformatsiya for the useful idiots. No one in the leadership believes a word of it.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/7 at May 03, 2017 11:41 AM (KGH7Z)

72 47 Me and the wife were having drinks with another couple and their neighbors last weekend. Our hostess is 60s, hardcore Hillaryous. Somehow talk about campus speakers came up. Her view was so restrictive on the face of it, I had to repeat to her what she'd said to make sure I'd understood. "So, Patty, you're saying that you believe people should actually prohibit the speech of those they disagree with?"

Her jaw-dropping conversation-stopper. "Yes, if they're intolerant"

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See, Zod, exactly what I'm talking about, they believe they are enforcing pluralism.

Posted by: MAGA at May 03, 2017 11:41 AM (LQ1Q3)

73 ...they need "safe-spaces" on campus; unless of course they can raise a mob, hide their faces, and swing bikelocks; cold-clocking the "uneducated"-

Posted by: pahound at May 03, 2017 11:42 AM (LDGam)

74
You see, it's not bigotry if they label You as a hater who hates and uses hate speech to express your hateful beliefs in a hateful manner.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 03, 2017 11:42 AM (1mtMy)

75 My friends you have nothing to fear from militant lesbians, sociopathic nerds, and barely closeted gays.

Posted by: John McCane at May 03, 2017 11:42 AM (SsblQ)

76 >>Most of the very strident leftists/progressives that I see strike me as the social misfits from high school.

Most of 'em strike me as brainwashed cult members.

The video that JJ posted this morning of a student being outrageously rude to filmmaker Ann McIlhinney is so bad. They are trained to throw a fit if bad speech is happening - it cannot happen LALALALALALAL IWILL STOP YOU!

Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2017 11:42 AM (NOIQH)

77 >>and will not be tolerated," she wrote. Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2017 11:39 AM (NOIQH)

I'd have more respect for these Inner Party stooges if they'd actually sack up and articulate in detail the punishment(s) attendant to intolerance of the intolerable.

Posted by: General Zod at May 03, 2017 11:42 AM (Bdeb0)

78
Sometimes the concept of tolerance needs to be expressed with a sock filled with bicycle locks.

Posted by: Progressive Deep Thoughts at May 03, 2017 11:42 AM (HTdUD)

79 "This is strange. People should know what they are really arguing for."

Why? Ignorance never stopped 'em before.

I have a lefty friend who is just chock full of conspiracy theories about how Bush was just a puppet, and how Cheney et al. really ran the white house.

When I mentioned Valerie Jarrett to him, he didn't know who she was.

Posted by: West at May 03, 2017 11:43 AM (1Rgee)

80 Trump should apologize to all militant lesbians, sociopathic nerds, and barely closeted gays.

Posted by: Evan McMuffin at May 03, 2017 11:43 AM (SsblQ)

81 Let them drink ValuRite

Posted by: Marie A at May 03, 2017 11:43 AM (h/uSM)

82 Meanwhile, progressives continue to laughingly speak of pluralism, tolerance, inclusivity -- the idea that their are "many truths," and some things may seem true to you depending on where you stand -- while in fact pushing a coercive totalitarian line that exactly One truth is true,

Yeah ... that's the Left for you. They like to claim that they believe that all cultures are equal but the Western Left are quick to also tell you what the Universal Laws are (for anything).

The same Western Left that screams bloody murder about how much they love the idea of biological evolution ... but they have never seen an evolutionary pressure they didn't know better than. The Left loooooves evolution, but they can sit down and tell you right now exactly which species deserve to continue to exist (forever) and which should be slated for extinction.

Cognitive dissonance ... it's where the Left lives.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 03, 2017 11:44 AM (zc3Db)

83 Franken trying to get Comey to talk about Trump's tax returns, etc. Comey isn't taking the bait.

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at May 03, 2017 11:44 AM (b7fwp)

84
Muslims are opposed to murder. Yes, it's true. Don't laugh. Muslims believe that murder is a sin against allah.

Here's the muslim "loophole" around murder: When a muslim murders an infidel, it's not really murder because that infidel is the equivalent to a pig or a dog.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 03, 2017 11:44 AM (1mtMy)

85 surprising<---------------------------||>not surprising

Posted by: bored383 at May 03, 2017 11:44 AM (70HTk)

86 It's a cult. Liberalism and this extreme new face they are showing, I mean.

Posted by: IP at May 03, 2017 11:44 AM (2hqkh)

87 by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group."
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I'd really love to hear where she thinks this law exists, because it's not in the USA.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2017 11:39 AM (NOIQH)
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21st century logic: Equality under law = "protected individuals or groups". Just certain people who cannot be spoken ill of, or derided.

And, 33 million people -> 1 vote by a coastal elite.

Posted by: Axeman at May 03, 2017 11:44 AM (2mC6G)

88 it would be terrible if some smart ass maga kid used this information to keep from being roomed with a barely closeted gay.

Posted by: Lord Sir x at May 03, 2017 11:45 AM (nFwvY)

89 "So, Patty, you're saying that you believe people should actually prohibit the speech of those they disagree with?"

Her jaw-dropping conversation-stopper. "Yes, if they're intolerant"

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See, Zod, exactly what I'm talking about, they believe they are enforcing pluralism.
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Follow up question for Patty:

So, do you believe that a traditional American Muslim who believes that gays should be executed should be allowed to speak?

Posted by: shibumi at May 03, 2017 11:45 AM (8zWAk)

90 The campus left gets away with it because most of the other students aren't paying attention/don't give a shit/have better things to do and OUR side isn't strong enough in numbers.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 03, 2017 11:46 AM (7uYFy)

91 So, do you believe that a traditional American Muslim who believes that gays should be executed should be allowed to speak?
Posted by: shibumi at May 03, 2017 11:45 AM (8zWAk)
____________

ISLAMAPHOBE!!!!

Posted by: Patty at May 03, 2017 11:47 AM (2hqkh)

92 So are we just stuck with Obamacare forever?

I really don't know who to blame, every wing of the Party messed this up.

We can't blame Democrats for Obamacare anymore or for our out of control spending.

Posted by: Maritime at May 03, 2017 11:47 AM (lMA33)

93
Sometimes the only way to show support for immigrants is to ignite their for-hire limousine.

Posted by: Progressive Deep Thoughts at May 03, 2017 11:47 AM (HTdUD)

94 My friends you have nothing to fear from militant lesbians, sociopathic nerds, and barely closeted gays.
Posted by: John McCane at May 03, 2017 11:42 AM (SsblQ)
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Whoops. Misspelled my name.

Posted by: John CoCain at May 03, 2017 11:47 AM (2mC6G)

95 Is there any area in which the Left lives in reality, or in which they care about objective truth?

Posted by: Northernlurker
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The left is mentally ill.
The two driving factors behind their behavior is narcissism and pathological denial of reality.

Their narcissism is what drives their hatred of those who dare to try and inject reality into their world. For if they are wrong then they are not the moral and intellectual superior beings of goodness and light they want to believe they are.
This extreme need leads to the pathological denial of reality. Anythning that does not fit their desire, does not exist or is a lie.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at May 03, 2017 11:47 AM (0x/TW)

96
Lefties love to see themselves as individuals and free thinkers and it's amazing how that means to all follow the leader on everything and this is nothing new. Commies from the beginning will make whatever mental contortions necessary to follow the narrative.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 03, 2017 11:47 AM (493sH)

97 Muslims are opposed to murder. Yes, it's true. Don't laugh. Muslims believe that murder is a sin against allah.

Here's the muslim "loophole" around murder: When a muslim murders an infidel, it's not really murder because that infidel is the equivalent to a pig or a dog.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 03, 2017 11:44 AM (1mtMy)

"Murder" is an automatic sin in all the major religions-including Islam. "Killing" is not.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 03, 2017 11:48 AM (7uYFy)

98 >>So, do you believe that a traditional American Muslim who believes that gays should be executed should be allowed to speak? Posted by: shibumi at May 03, 2017 11:45 AM (8zWAk)

Her brother is gay. Her spouse is a good guy and makes great martinis. Decisions.

Posted by: General Zod at May 03, 2017 11:48 AM (Bdeb0)

99 Here's the muslim "loophole" around murder: When a muslim murders an infidel, it's not really murder because that infidel is the equivalent to a pig or a dog.

And when other muslims are killed by a splodey dope?
It's not murder. They're collateral damage.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2017 11:48 AM (Njtx4)

100 Had a liberal idiot voice an opinion that we set aside roberts rules for oir meetings and just. considerate of each other.

So i broke out my old book about being polite and considerate and read one of the 25 rules to her. The rule that said that the most important part of interaction was to. ........follow the rules

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 03, 2017 11:48 AM (rw+qR)

101 So, Patty, you're saying that you believe people should actually prohibit the speech of those they disagree with?"

Her jaw-dropping conversation-stopper. "Yes, if they're intolerant."

But why? Why should being "intolerant" be disqualifying? That sounds pretty arbitrary.

And are there any other rights that an "intolerant" person may be deprived of simply by virtue of being intolerant? Come, let's get the entire list out there on the table so we can talk about it.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 03, 2017 11:48 AM (FJCBN)

102 ace, that is very well put. I'm mad at you for stating it better than I ever have.

Conservatives used to speak of "moral relativism" derisively, and sometimes still do. However, the bulk of conservative argumentation is actually about tolerant inclusive pluralism -- because they merely want to voice dissident opinions (dissident, though often having firm majority support in the public) without being legally or economically punished for it.

Bingo bango. Tolerance, by the nature of the concept, requires that what you are tolerating be something with which you disagree. If you agree with it, there's nothing to tolerate.

It's interesting, donuts to dollars the Left would assume that we are all a bunch of intolerant bigots who march in lockstep on all issues. Look at the actual comments. We yell at each other all the time about stuff but we tolerate, as in do not demand expulsion into the Void, let alone the Barrel, all types of views here. Hell, we even let Yankees fans have their stupid, stupid, stupid say.

Tolerance is all the stuff that we type and delete before clicking the post button because, get this, other people are allowed to express their horrifically wrong ideas in public.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at May 03, 2017 11:49 AM (mf5HN)

103 I would be thrilled to teach math in an environment that has not been hijacked by SJWs. Can we have non-SJW, alternative colleges?

Posted by: Emmie at May 03, 2017 11:49 AM (ZapPq)

104 Sometimes the concept of tolerance needs to be expressed with a sock filled with bicycle locks.
Posted by: Progressive Deep Thoughts at May 03, 2017 11:42 AM (HTdUD)

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Accept that others have viewpoints that differ from your own.

Posted by: filled with bicycle locks at May 03, 2017 11:49 AM (h/uSM)

105 Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 03, 2017 11:34 AM (IqV8l)

I'm impressed that the residents don't appear to have done anything to the anarchists beyond holding them until the police came. I would have expected them to have expressed their unhappiness a lot more physically.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 03, 2017 11:49 AM (sEDyY)

106 "38 Who will be the 21st century Archduke Ferdinand? The flashpoint that starts everybody shooting?

Posted by: Hikaru at May 03, 2017 11:35 AM (qshm3)"

I wonder too, sometimes ....
Ferdinand is not the only scenario, imo: others I've identified are Fort Sumter and Harpers Ferry (John Brown).

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/7 at May 03, 2017 11:49 AM (KGH7Z)

107 Stoopid people gonna stoopid.
I blame the teachers' unions.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at May 03, 2017 11:49 AM (QtQaN)

108
And when other muslims are killed by a splodey dope?

A sacrifice for allah and now they are martyrs.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 03, 2017 11:50 AM (1mtMy)

109 Not "strange," ace, not really.

Most of these people aren't particularly bright, in a practical sense, and they certainly are not logical, or critical thinkers. Which leaves their "values" - that's where the authoritarian nastiness enters.

So you have incredibly ignorant, not particularly smart, people with bolshevik arrogance and nastiness and power-lust.

And any who are exceptions to this generalization - esp. the "smart" ones - are merely the equivalent of the upper party leaders, cynical manipulators, who may or may not share the dark values, but for whom power-lust is all.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 03, 2017 11:50 AM (iLoHX)

110 Accept that others have viewpoints that differ from your own.
Posted by: filled with bicycle locks at May 03, 2017 11:49 AM (h/uSM)
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ISWYDT....

Posted by: IP at May 03, 2017 11:50 AM (2hqkh)

111 I wouldn't want to live with a lefty, FWIW.

Posted by: josephistan at May 03, 2017 11:50 AM (7HtZB)

112
The point: Leftists and muslims don't really believe in their own bullshit.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 03, 2017 11:50 AM (1mtMy)

113 except the proglodytes have no coherent epistemology - this explains the abrupt shifts in their understanding and appraisal of various positions - e.g., gay marriage, transsexualism, & etc.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 03, 2017 11:51 AM (TwwWO)

114 Now comes the redefinition of "tolerance", which will exclude the tolerance of 'hate, which will then put leftists back at the top of the tolerance heap

Posted by: Hogsbreath at May 03, 2017 11:51 AM (3u56F)

115 The Left is big on Projection.

"Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others."

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 03, 2017 11:51 AM (SIY7D)

116 What was the first clue? The riots to prohibit people with whom they disagree from speaking on campus? Committing battery against political opponents? Cry bullying over the possibility of maybe potentially hearing a different viewpoint?

Posted by: Insomniac at May 03, 2017 11:51 AM (0mRoj)

117 38 Who will be the 21st century Archduke Ferdinand? The flashpoint that starts everybody shooting?

The more pressing question is which gender will xir embrace?

Posted by: wooga at May 03, 2017 11:52 AM (k/szL)

118 Who gets to decide who or what is intolerant? What about hate speech? Why can't we turn the tables on them about what is intolerance and hate speech???......oh yeah, never mind.......

Posted by: lindarose at May 03, 2017 11:52 AM (kufk0)

119 Another week another new fake hate crime being pushed by the FNM. Some "brown" family in Longmont received a hate letter saying that their brown children didn't belong in the white neighborhood and this is "Trump's country" now.

KKK were active in Colorado 50 years ago and I don't doubt that there are still remnants here but this screams FAKE to me. The police took the letter to do DNA testing.

Of course I doubt if the FNM channels will air it when the DNA turns out to belong to a family member and they were only doing this 'to raise awareness.'

Posted by: PaleRider at May 03, 2017 11:52 AM (8qFZP)

120 I dunno, I'd be pretty offended if I had to room with a SJW. Not only would they talk stupid, but they'd probably have lice in their dreadlocks and would expect you to pick up after them.

Check out the video J. Sefton posted in his morning links, the one that shows the Irish professor schooling a nitwit and future women with 10,000 cats about AGW, the EU. When the Irish woman says the American experiment was the one that worked, the SJW sits there with an incredulous expression on her face, as if the prof just stated the moon really is made of Kraft singles.

If I had to live with that smug, dumb face in the same room I would end up in jail because I would not be able to resist smacking it.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 03, 2017 11:52 AM (s7vJs)

121 because that infidel is the equivalent to a pig or a dog.

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i only find one of those insulting.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 03, 2017 11:52 AM (h/uSM)

122 Posted by: filled with bicycle locks at May 03, 2017 11:49 AM (h/uSM)
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Posted by: Undocumented at May 03, 2017 11:52 AM (SsblQ)

123 >>104
Sometimes the concept of tolerance needs to be expressed with a sock filled with bicycle locks.
Posted by: Progressive Deep Thoughts at May 03, 2017 11:42 AM (HTdUD)

Sometimes the concept of tolerance needs to be expressed with a sock filled with bicyclists' cocks.

Two birds, one stone.

Posted by: General Zod at May 03, 2017 11:52 AM (Bdeb0)

124 I love it when you poll a Lefty on a position but indicate that it was proposed by the Party opposite of the Party who really proposed it. Consistency of values or positions is not a strong liberal trait. It's all relative.

Posted by: Jack Sock at May 03, 2017 11:52 AM (V+jJS)

125 I hate commenting using my phone. I really really do.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 03, 2017 11:52 AM (rw+qR)

126 So are we just stuck with Obamacare forever?

Not forever. Eventually, it will totally destroy the healthcare-related segments of the economy ... and then it will take everything down with it. So ... then we'll be rid of it. Of course, that will mark the official end of the US ... but you have to take the bad with the good.

I really don't know who to blame, every wing of the Party messed this up.

We can't blame Democrats for Obamacare anymore or for our out of control spending.

Posted by: Maritime at May 03, 2017 11:47 AM (lMA33)

Initially, the blame was totally on Barky. What he did to get this shit passed was so un-American and foreign that only someone who was, at his core, totally unrelated to anything American could have done it. That was at the start.

Now, you can blame everyone but the handful of actual conservatives in Congress (and it is only a handful). Most of the GOP have their fingerprints all over this and they should go straight to friggin hell with the dems they love to collaborate with.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 03, 2017 11:52 AM (zc3Db)

127 OT/ that rat bastard Comey... Trump just needs to fire his ass...

Posted by: Your sycophant press at May 03, 2017 11:52 AM (O2RFr)

128 13 If I were to go to colledge I would wants my roommate to be Micheal Obama because she is the smartest woman in this county other then Hilllary Cliton.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT

What. No love for Chelsea?
We'd better get busy on those fluff pieces. The idiots out there aren't catching on.

Posted by: Liberal Medi? at May 03, 2017 11:53 AM (+lVUW)

129 "Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others."

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 03, 2017 11:51 AM (SIY7D)
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Sounds like Anti-fascists to me.

Posted by: Axeman at May 03, 2017 11:53 AM (2mC6G)

130 And as ugly, and degrading, and pernicious, as all this crap is, it is not really the problem.

The problem is the end of representative government, at least at the federal level. Whatever discretionary power has not been usurped by the judiciary (totally unaccountable) is now wielded by the political branches *against* the desires of the electorate, for the most part. At least on key issues.

With a few desperately welcomed exceptions, that continues to be the case, notwithstanding the national earthquake in November.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 03, 2017 11:53 AM (iLoHX)

131 I learned a lot in college. Cynicism, stealth belief, misrepresentation of myself. Survival strategies for being behind enemy lines.

Posted by: kraken at May 03, 2017 11:53 AM (zSVEm)

132 Her brother is gay. Her spouse is a good guy and makes great martinis. Decisions.

Posted by: General Zod at May 03, 2017 11:48 AM (Bdeb0)

Why would you put yourself through that?

Decision is easy. Dump the dumbfucks.

Posted by: Country Boy at May 03, 2017 11:53 AM (Jcg9Q)

133 Tolerant inclusive pluralism is like a train. You ride it until you reach your destination. The Left has reached their destination.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 03, 2017 11:53 AM (WVeiZ)

134 Dear sponsors of kimmel and colbert, it is time to not just boycott you, but actively vandalize your products and offices. You and your ilk's lessons have taken new roots. Si se puede!

Posted by: we are not amused at May 03, 2017 11:54 AM (/V5PV)

135 I can "tolerate" all manner of things, but Leftism is a cancer. And you don't "tolerate" cancer if you want to live.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at May 03, 2017 11:54 AM (9krrF)

136 The left is mentally ill.
The two driving factors behind their behavior is narcissism and pathological denial of reality.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at May 03, 2017 11:47 AM (0x/TW)

I have to disagree, here. The main factor in Western Leftism is self-hate.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 03, 2017 11:54 AM (zc3Db)

137 I'm sure they simply reply 'We aren't tolerant of intolerance!'

The education system has been feeding them false values and the Newspeak to justify it all. Don't expect that you'll debate them out of their position, they've been given a completely new value system and the twisted terminology to make them immune from questioning it.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 03, 2017 11:55 AM (oVJmc)

138
So are we just stuck with Obamacare forever?

Only until it morphs into Medicare-4-All

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 03, 2017 11:55 AM (IqV8l)

139 "38 Who will be the 21st century Archduke Ferdinand? The flashpoint that starts everybody shooting?

Posted by: Hikaru at May 03, 2017 11:35 AM (qshm3)"

I wonder too, sometimes ....
Ferdinand is not the only scenario, imo: others I've identified are Fort Sumter and Harpers Ferry (John Brown).

Posted by: sock_rat_eez
****

So they get their name in the history books? Asking for a friend...

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at May 03, 2017 11:55 AM (+aCe4)

140 Bingo bango. Tolerance, by the nature of the concept, requires that what you are tolerating be something with which you disagree. If you agree with it, there's nothing to tolerate.

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I will NOT tolerate Ivanka Trump giving me oral sex....twice.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 03, 2017 11:55 AM (h/uSM)

141 Steve Bannon accidentally on purpose leaks his office whiteboard To Do List.

http://thenationallaughingstock.com/news/politics/wp/2017/05/03/steve-bannons-to-do-list-annotated/

Obscured in the photo of the whiteboard are:

Make Chuck Schumer cry in public (done!)
Make Pelosi's botox face crack
Get NORK generals to frag Fat Boy Little Man

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 03, 2017 11:55 AM (SIY7D)

142 72 47 Me and the wife were having drinks with another couple and their neighbors last weekend. Our hostess is 60s, hardcore Hillaryous. Somehow talk about campus speakers came up. Her view was so restrictive on the face of it, I had to repeat to her what she'd said to make sure I'd understood. "So, Patty, you're saying that you believe people should actually prohibit the speech of those they disagree with?"

Her jaw-dropping conversation-stopper. "Yes, if they're intolerant"

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See, Zod, exactly what I'm talking about, they believe they are enforcing pluralism.
Posted by: MAGA at May 03, 2017 11:41 AM (LQ1Q3)

I understand tolerance, by definition, involves my allowing people to do and say things I disagree with, or find morally wrong. I could, for instance, accept a gay couple into my neighborhood, even while viewing their lifestyle as morally unacceptable. I might even regard them as friends, and like them, while maintaining my moral views.
However the left views tolerance, it is not that, not that at all.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 03, 2017 11:55 AM (hJrjt)

143 After dozens of anarchists allegedly caused more than $100,000 in damage to new buildings and high-end cars Monday night in North Philadelphia, two of them apparently became trapped between groups of residents on either end of the short 1500 block of North Palethorp Street.

http://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=337024
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 03, 2017 11:34 AM (IqV8l)

"One neighbor in the cul-de-sac of large duplexes said Suchocki [one of the perps] was known as a bright artist who did oil paintings and sometimes walked dogs in the neighborhood."

Translation: he's unemployed.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 03, 2017 11:55 AM (SRKgf)

144 Depends on who is writing the history books later this century.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/7 at May 03, 2017 11:57 AM (KGH7Z)

145 I would have expected them to have expressed their unhappiness a lot more physically.

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It's Philly, i'm sure we booed them.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 03, 2017 11:57 AM (h/uSM)

146 143, Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 03, 2017 11:55 AM (SRKgf)

Or he was a Paint Nite instructor working for tips and free booze.

Posted by: IC at May 03, 2017 11:57 AM (a0IVu)

147 After dozens of anarchists allegedly caused more than $100,000 in damage to new buildings and high-end cars Monday night in North Philadelphia, two of them apparently became trapped between groups of residents on either end of the short 1500 block of North Palethorp Street.

And "held" them until police arrived. Nothing else.

The assholes should have been given a real taste of the "anarchy" they're begging for. Now they'll just come back again and make sure they're not caught.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 03, 2017 11:57 AM (X6fMO)

148 95 Is there any area in which the Left lives in reality, or in which they care about objective truth?

Posted by: Northernlurker
Are you kidding? Over 50 years of welfare and they still haven't figured out that telling people they don't have to take responsibility for their own screw ups isn't a good way to go.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 03, 2017 11:57 AM (+lVUW)

149 I have to disagree, here. The main factor in Western Leftism is self-hate.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 03, 2017 11:54 AM (zc3Db)

Finally, we have something we agree on.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 03, 2017 11:57 AM (SRKgf)

150 @135
"I can 'tolerate' all manner of things, but Leftism is a cancer. And you don't "tolerate" cancer if you want to live."Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character

I disagree. Leftism isn't cancer, it's AIDS.
If cancer were a contagious organism it would be less successful than AIDS. Like leftism, AIDS replicates itself and takes a long time to kill its host, to give it the most time to infect others.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at May 03, 2017 11:57 AM (QtQaN)

151 I can tolerate the mental image of Chelsea Clinton naked for eight seconds. All hail.

Posted by: General Zod at May 03, 2017 11:58 AM (Bdeb0)

152
If you believe there are an infinite number of truths, then it becomes vital that you shut up competing truths, lest yours loses.
Posted by: JSchuler at May 03, 2017 11:41 AM (YsGL+)

Very insightful. The left has always hated Locke, and loved Nietzsche's "Will to power".

Posted by: wooga at May 03, 2017 11:58 AM (k/szL)

153 There's some bad shit in that Connecticut River. Right, Mary? Just sayin'.

Posted by: Fritz at May 03, 2017 11:58 AM (2Mnv1)

154 133 Tolerant inclusive pluralism is like a train. You ride it until you reach your destination. The Left has reached their destination.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 03, 2017 11:53 AM (WVeiZ)

And they reached it quite some time ago.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 03, 2017 11:58 AM (FJCBN)

155 I disagree. Leftism isn't cancer, it's AIDS.
If cancer were a contagious organism it would be less successful than AIDS. Like leftism, AIDS replicates itself and takes a long time to kill its host, to give it the most time to infect others.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at May 03, 2017 11:57 AM (QtQaN)

Regardless of which it is, you do to it what Colin Powell said to do to the Iraqi Army.

Posted by: Country Boy at May 03, 2017 11:59 AM (Jcg9Q)

156 148 95 Is there any area in which the Left lives in reality, or in which they care about objective truth?

Posted by: Northernlurker
Are you kidding? Over 50 years of welfare and they still haven't figured out that telling people they don't have to take responsibility for their own screw ups isn't a good way to go.
Posted by: nerdygirl at May 03, 2017 11:57 AM (+lVUW)

Over 50 years of remedial academic programs and they still haven't figured out that they're scratching where it doesn't itch.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 03, 2017 11:59 AM (SRKgf)

157 >>>Leftism isn't cancer, it's AIDS

Most easily contracted through the butt?

Posted by: wooga at May 03, 2017 11:59 AM (k/szL)

158 Switched gears to talking about the Nats.

Which is why poisonous attitudes like hers continue to bloom. No pushback.

Yes, I know - social situation, neighbors, don't want to make waves.

What good has that done civil society?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 03, 2017 11:59 AM (X6fMO)

159 Is this rape? I think this is rape. I'm pretty sure this is rape. Yes, this is rape.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 03, 2017 11:59 AM (fD1ST)

160 I can tolerate the mental image of Chelsea Clinton naked for eight seconds. All hail.

You're a stronger man than I.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 03, 2017 11:59 AM (IcT7t)

161 The beatings will continue until morale improves.

And remember, everything not forbidden is mandatory.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....Grate American cheese again! at May 03, 2017 12:00 PM (RFeQD)

162 @155
Not disagreeing. Just a cavil to Cavil.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at May 03, 2017 12:00 PM (QtQaN)

163 Apparently Rachel Maddow has said "Trump wants to kill us all." I believe she is referring to media.
Anybody who believes that is mentally ill.
Now, if she said Trump wants to destroy their credibility there would be truth to the statement.
However, the media is in the process of committing suicide in that regard.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 03, 2017 12:00 PM (hJrjt)

164

And if they cannot see it, nothing can be done.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 03, 2017 12:00 PM (fceHP)

165 So are we just stuck with Obamacare forever?

Only until it morphs into Medicare-4-All
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 03, 2017 11:55 AM (IqV8l)

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Single Payer FTL

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 03, 2017 12:00 PM (h/uSM)

166 I wrote about this at CJN in light of the recent academic mob.
But the long and the short of it is, progressivism is riddled with contradictions that even the most basic moral philosophy requires you solve.

They can't. So they destroy anyone who reminds them of the contradictions (even nominal fellow travelers)

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 03, 2017 12:01 PM (dzmBR)

167 War.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 03, 2017 12:01 PM (PY9jH)

168 I disagree. Leftism isn't cancer, it's AIDS.

Actually, given both weaken the host so badly outside infections finish it off, you're on to something there.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at May 03, 2017 12:01 PM (9krrF)

169 Now, you can blame everyone but the handful of actual conservatives in Congress (and it is only a handful). Most of the GOP have their fingerprints all over this and they should go straight to friggin hell with the dems they love to collaborate with.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
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I even have to throw some blame at the supposed "pure" conservatives that were only going to accept full repeal and nothing else.

We have a Congressman here that basically took that line and is voting "no" on the latest round. I have to think it's just an easy cop out that protects him politically.

If I had my way, it would be full repeal, but once millions were on this thing, common sense tells you some sort of orderly draw down was necessary.

I'd love to just have Congress vote on full repeal and have something like a 2 year window. It would probably fail in the House, but I want these Republicans on the record.

Posted by: Maritime at May 03, 2017 12:01 PM (lMA33)

170 And there is gambling in Casablanca.

Posted by: Locke Common at May 03, 2017 12:01 PM (dUbVu)

171 151 I can tolerate the mental image of Chelsea Clinton naked for eight seconds. All hail.
Posted by: General Zod at May 03, 2017 11:58 AM (Bdeb0)

It's the projectile vomitting I couldn't tolerate.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 03, 2017 12:02 PM (hJrjt)

172 I really pity any normal person who attends university.
The same goes for anyone living in a large urban environment.
I'm grateful for being able to live and associate with people who are not the Borg, and pass the Turing Test.

Posted by: kraken at May 03, 2017 12:02 PM (zSVEm)

173 >>Which is why poisonous attitudes like hers continue to bloom. No pushback.
Yes, I know - social situation, neighbors, don't want to make waves.
What good has that done civil society? Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 03, 2017 11:59 AM (X6fMO)

Some people argue with Stop signs. Zod is not such a one.

Posted by: General Zod at May 03, 2017 12:02 PM (Bdeb0)

174 heh.. youngest daughter is taking her final today in her gender studies class. We looked thru her book awhile back and just rolled our eyes at some of the subject matter. And no.. she didn't want to take the class, she has to take it.

Posted by: deplorable Jewells45 at May 03, 2017 12:02 PM (zRZaJ)

175 "I can tolerate the mental image of Chelsea Clinton naked for eight seconds. All hail."

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Chelsea before or after all the plastic surgery that improved her looks?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 03, 2017 12:03 PM (fD1ST)

176 The left is mentally ill.
The two driving factors behind their behavior is narcissism and pathological denial of reality.
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THIS

Posted by: shibumi at May 03, 2017 12:04 PM (8zWAk)

177 And Title IX has morphed into something else. It is being used now in university life to substitute administrative law for court applied law. Meaning, someone will decide, and apply it. There will be no admitted evidence, or the right of the accused to face their accuser.
University children are being conditioned to accept this in university life. Someday soon, it will be generally applied to the population. And people will accept it.

Ain't that America, for you and me?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....Grate American cheese again! at May 03, 2017 12:04 PM (RFeQD)

178 they created their own insane plurality
they created their own separate reality
then they created their own evil morality

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 03, 2017 12:04 PM (C52a9)

179 I disagree. Leftism isn't cancer, it's AIDS.
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Libertarianism must be treatment with a daily dose of AZT until you're dead.

Posted by: RioBravo at May 03, 2017 12:04 PM (SsblQ)

180 172 I really pity any normal person who attends university.
The same goes for anyone living in a large urban environment.
I'm grateful for being able to live and associate with people who are not the Borg, and pass the Turing Test.
Posted by: kraken at May 03, 2017 12:02 PM (zSVEm)

There must be normals in some faculties, i.e. engineering.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 03, 2017 12:04 PM (hJrjt)

181 Ha! Insty has a link to some of the Portland rioter mugshots! It's about as you'd expect, too...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at May 03, 2017 12:05 PM (9krrF)

182 How on earth was this allowed to be published?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 03, 2017 12:05 PM (7ZVPa)

183 War. I agree Jane. Whether we like it or not, I guess. Important for us to be judicious about everything, though, and not shoot ourselves in the foot. ( meaning not go nuts about it all, like the Left. Just be resolute.)

Posted by: kraken at May 03, 2017 12:05 PM (zSVEm)

184 On the contrary, progressives will be very happy to have many differing opinions sharing a single space inside the gulags. Also you will find plenty of tolerance for new ideas amongs the heaping piles of skulls.

Posted by: Mega at May 03, 2017 12:05 PM (wzHH1)

185 Chelsea before or after all the plastic surgery that improved her looks?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 03, 2017 12:03 PM (fD1ST)

What?

Posted by: JoeF. at May 03, 2017 12:05 PM (7uYFy)

186 I am proud to announce that the locals colleges around Brattleboro are now introducing a new degree. The studies will consist of Gay Rights and Gay Pride Studies and is a 5 year degree. We are so excited and proud of this and hopes we be having a lot of students enrolled next term to hellp persons of color with a alternative lifestyles in the town of Brattleboro, VT. This was brought on by the efforts of Presdent Obama and his wife Micheal Obamama

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 03, 2017 12:06 PM (WmgTn)

187 Most of the very strident leftists/progressives that I see strike me as the social misfits from high school. And once they get into a position of power, they are bound and determined to punish every person who reminds them of those who they think were mean to them when they were younger.

Since I've been in a really reflective place lately, I'll cop to this.

Some years ago I was hiring and the bully from my high school had applied. First I heard about it was being scheduled to do the interview after the HR phone screen and all of that. He came to the building, went through two rounds of interviews and I was the last one. I introduced myself, he introduced himself, and I said "oh, are you such and such from Westy high school?" He said yes, then looked at my card, and the realization came over his face.

I didn't hire him, and I won't bullshit everyone and say it was entirely aboveboard. I had my bias and, truth be told, relished being the power broker for a change.

In hindsight, while I don't think he had the qualifications I wonder how much of that was me trying to justify my little power trip and how much was an honest evaluation. It did lay some things clear to me about myself though, and I hope I haven't been victim to those urges again.

Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at May 03, 2017 12:06 PM (tVWQB)

188 American healthcare was on a Highway to Hell before OCare, which put it in the express lane.

It's the thing that will blow up everything if we keep on current trajectory.

Focusing on repealing OCare by itself doesn't fix the problem.

I'm for pushing the responsibility for spending down to the state level as a means to force fiscal sanity. Because states can't print money the way that the Feds can. On current trajectory we'll continue to think we can borrow our way out of the problem

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 03, 2017 12:06 PM (SIY7D)

189 181 Ha! Insty has a link to some of the Portland rioter mugshots! It's about as you'd expect, too...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at May 03, 2017 12:05 PM (9krrF)

Nobody said evolution was gonna be pretty. Or unidirectional.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 03, 2017 12:06 PM (SRKgf)

190 I think there may be a cosmic connection between the Left's political thinking and North Korea trying to scare everyone and managing to bomb itself in the process.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 03, 2017 12:06 PM (3myMJ)

191 "So are we just stuck with Obamacare forever? "

Don't kid yourself. It's Trumpcare and Republicancare now. It's brilliant the way the left has set it up, too. Do something to try and fix the situation? You own it. Don't do anything? You also own it.

Anything that happens now is the (R)s' fault.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 03, 2017 12:06 PM (fD1ST)

192 Bannon planning whiteboard accidentally revealed...

Um, anyone who thinks that was an accident needs to see this snazzy bridge I have for sale in Brooklyn.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 03, 2017 12:07 PM (ul9CR)

193 "You can have any opinion you want, as long as it's OURS."

I like Buckley's quote: "A liberal will gladly to another opinion. Then they are shocked to find out that there is one."

Posted by: Paladin at May 03, 2017 12:07 PM (YNPwP)

194 they really think they can make us wear dunce caps and do a walk of shame in their cultural revolution.

Posted by: Lord Sir x at May 03, 2017 12:07 PM (nFwvY)

195 It's interesting, donuts to dollars the Left would assume that we are all a bunch of intolerant bigots who march in lockstep on all issues.
-------

Disagree. They don't think about it enough to care. We are standing in the way of their power. All they really want to know is how armed we are.

Posted by: Mega at May 03, 2017 12:07 PM (wzHH1)

196 Insomniac, you've got Mileymail.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess (T) at May 03, 2017 12:07 PM (tHwdc)

197 Longmont? Trump's country? I canvassed Longmont. Trump country it was not. Rubio country maybe in parts.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at May 03, 2017 12:07 PM (ZCi6r)

198 I strongly recommend people read a bit about the Russian Revolution (there was actually an earlier one in 1905 IIRC) and the internal struggle among the different factions. Lenin won because he was utterly ruthless and dedicated to one thing: stamping out anyone who might remotely (as he defined it) not be 100% for his Bolshevik party. Glancing at Wikipedia, it seems to be fairly accurate in discussing the political layout back then.

Anyhoo, to understand the early history of the Soviet Union is to understand a bit of what's going on here: purges, loyalty tests, impossible standards, Catch-22s, having to admit to something you didn't do to end the torture, etc. If Hitler had acted like Lenin/Stalin, Germany would never have been able to go to war - it simply would not have had the manpower, the weaponry, or the functional ability to wage modern war. That is how badly LS fucked things up -- hell, they invaded Poland around 1920 (22?) and lost.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 03, 2017 12:07 PM (dZ756)

199 Chelsea before or after all the plastic surgery that improved her looks?>>>

Would any work done on her be considered a Boob Job?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 03, 2017 12:07 PM (VHt7K)

200 I will have to postpone my bourbon until after 2200. Off to work in a few.

Posted by: Eromero at May 03, 2017 12:08 PM (zLDYs)

201 There is simply not enough ass-kicking going on these days.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 03, 2017 12:08 PM (LTHVh)

202 185 Chelsea before or after all the plastic surgery that improved her looks?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 03, 2017 12:03 PM (fD1ST)

What?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 03, 2017 12:05 PM (7uYFy)

Yeah. She used to look worse. If you can believe that.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 03, 2017 12:08 PM (SRKgf)

203 >>I didn't hire him, and I won't bullshit everyone and
say it was entirely aboveboard. I had my bias and, truth be told,
relished being the power broker for a change. Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at May 03, 2017 12:06 PM (tVWQB)

Two questions: Does he have a voman? And did you call his house afterward to hear da lamentations?

Posted by: General Zod at May 03, 2017 12:08 PM (Bdeb0)

204 Trump needs to do something about the failing Helltcare System before it is too late from his redickulous healthcare policies. Trump lied and people are getting sicker and died,,,,,

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 03, 2017 12:08 PM (WmgTn)

205 You can hold any "truth" you wish to hold, as long as it comports with narrative. "Cops are all racists". "Red states are all on welfare". etc. The individual "truths" are the statements of varying actual truthfulness that matter to this or that interest group, even if they conflict, because they are "stories" that fit into narrative. It is absolutely relativism, within an agreed frame.

Narrative itself is based on premises which nobody is allowed to question, even if they are wrong - mostly because the core-most principles are unchanging and more or less impossible to falsify. "Man" is good or at least perfectible, but individuals (due to this or that corruption) are Evil. Evil is rooted in failure to harmonize with Progress. Progress is natural and will continue as men become Man, evolutionarily, and any failures are failures to commune correctly with the Whole of Man or to articulate Progress as Progress Must Be.

Their aim is that you *believe* these things, even if you can't articulate them - and vast numbers of people do! Any stories, therefore, that fit within this artificial emotional "truth", are true, even if contradictory, because they tell a story about the Progress of Man and those who are Evil. The Progressive all-encompassing weltanschauung.

Any stories outside this frame, even if factually 100% correct, or even if mostly in agreement with the accepted truth, are *emotionally* untrue, and the starkest blasphemy.

Posted by: Sporkatus at May 03, 2017 12:09 PM (eXSOZ)

206 I was reading the latest issue of Imprimis. Kimberley Strassel has an excellent piece on free speech.

She described her three kids having an argument at the dinner table, which led to her asking each child to describe what free speech meant to them.

The twelve year old went into a textbook definition that included a tutorial on the Bill of Rights, etc.

The nine year old said there should never be restrictions on *anything* that *anybody* says, *anytime,* *anywhere.*

The five year old said, "Free speech is that you can say what you want -- as long as I like it."

That was when Strassel realized her oldest was "a constitutional conservative, my middle child a libertarian, and my youngest a socialist with totalitarian tendencies."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 03, 2017 12:09 PM (PY9jH)

207 Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at May 03, 2017 12:06 PM (tVWQB)

That's a tough one.

Two of the worst, absolutely pyschopathic bullies in my school are now cops, which makes me shudder to think.

Another one of the worst bullies from my school is now a UPS driver, we ended up being friends, and he turned out to be one hell of a nice guy, completely different from how he was in high school.

You just never know.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 03, 2017 12:10 PM (ul9CR)

208 Anything that happens now is the (R)s' fault.

In fairness, when you control the House, Senate, and the Whitehouse, how could it not be?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 03, 2017 12:10 PM (LTHVh)

209 Don't kid yourself. It's Trumpcare and Republicancare now. It's brilliant the way the left has set it up, too. Do something to try and fix the situation? You own it. Don't do anything? You also own it.

Anything that happens now is the (R)s' fault.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

______

That's why it makes sense both politically and in terms of good public policy to just kill it.

All of these Republicans that voted 10 plus times or whatever to repeal it are going to have the same negative ads about trying to get rid of preexisting conditions protections even if the law is still in place.

At some point, Trump beating Hillary is not going to be a blank check he can cash forever.

Trump could EASILY muscle through some sort of repeal and start targeting wobbly Republicans but he won't.

Posted by: Maritime at May 03, 2017 12:10 PM (lMA33)

210 It strikes me that the rioters of today are hoping for their very own Kent State martyrs.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 03, 2017 12:11 PM (hJrjt)

211 You take this back or I'll blow up your intolerant ass

Posted by: Bill Ayers at May 03, 2017 12:11 PM (DpOmP)

212
Yeah. She used to look worse. If you can believe that.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Now it would only take a dozen beer to make her look like something you would take home at last call,

before it would take a dozen cases.

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 03, 2017 12:11 PM (FZYNt)

213 Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 03, 2017 12:09 PM (PY9jH)

Great stuff. Sounds like in her family you are born a commie but improve as you age. May they continue to improve.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 03, 2017 12:12 PM (3myMJ)

214 210 It strikes me that the rioters of today are hoping for their very own Kent State martyrs.
Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 03, 2017 12:11 PM (hJrjt)

The rioters aren't, but the ones funding the riots are...

Posted by: George Soros at May 03, 2017 12:12 PM (DpOmP)

215 198
I strongly recommend people read a bit about the Russian Revolution
(there was actually an earlier one in 1905 IIRC) and the internal
struggle among the different factions. Lenin won because he was utterly
ruthless and dedicated to one thing: stamping out anyone who might
remotely (as he defined it) not be 100% for his Bolshevik party.
Glancing at Wikipedia, it seems to be fairly accurate in discussing the
political layout back then.

Anyhoo, to understand the early
history of the Soviet Union is to understand a bit of what's going on
here: purges, loyalty tests, impossible standards, Catch-22s, having to
admit to something you didn't do to end the torture, etc. If Hitler had
acted like Lenin/Stalin, Germany would never have been able to go to war
- it simply would not have had the manpower, the weaponry, or the
functional ability to wage modern war. That is how badly LS fucked
things up -- hell, they invaded Poland around 1920 (22?) and lost.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 03, 2017 12:07 PM (dZ756)

=====
They didn't lose, they got their asses kicked. They outnumbered the Poles significantly, but because the SU Army was being led mostly by party members who had no command experience, when they ran into stiff opposition at the Battle of Warsaw, unexpectedly they lost. The Poles started chasing them back into the SU and the SU sued for peace. Another reason why the SU was willing to enter into the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, a chance for revenge.

Posted by: Penfold at May 03, 2017 12:12 PM (Fbt5B)

216 As it's been said many a time here.

Scratch a leftist and find a fascist underneath.

Posted by: Blanco (no, the other one) at May 03, 2017 12:13 PM (tGBt6)

217 Where in the world did the folks of Hawaii find this twat?

Posted by: Done at May 03, 2017 12:13 PM (VjZ79)

218 I miss the "cool" liberals. The Big Lebowskis of the world. When did we switch character traits with liberals and who agreed this would be a good idea?

Posted by: Max Power at May 03, 2017 12:13 PM (q177U)

219 205 You can hold any "truth" you wish to hold, as long as it comports with narrative. "Cops are all racists". "Red states are all on welfare". etc. The individual "truths" are the statements of varying actual truthfulness that matter to this or that interest group, even if they conflict, because they are "stories" that fit into narrative. It is absolutely relativism, within an agreed frame.

Narrative itself is based on premises which nobody is allowed to question, even if they are wrong - mostly because the core-most principles are unchanging and more or less impossible to falsify. "Man" is good or at least perfectible, but individuals (due to this or that corruption) are Evil. Evil is rooted in failure to harmonize with Progress. Progress is natural and will continue as men become Man, evolutionarily, and any failures are failures to commune correctly with the Whole of Man or to articulate Progress as Progress Must Be.

Their aim is that you *believe* these things, even if you can't articulate them - and vast numbers of people do! Any stories, therefore, that fit within this artificial emotional "truth", are true, even if contradictory, because they tell a story about the Progress of Man and those who are Evil. The Progressive all-encompassing weltanschauung.

Any stories outside this frame, even if factually 100% correct, or even if mostly in agreement with the accepted truth, are *emotionally* untrue, and the starkest blasphemy.
Posted by: Sporkatus at May 03, 2017 12:09 PM (eXSOZ)

Yep, telling someone with a penis that he, ahem, has a penis, is unacceptable these days. At least if he doesn't want to hear that.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 03, 2017 12:13 PM (hJrjt)

220 If as Breitbart said politics is downstream of culture, it appears the culture has turned into a sewage treatment plant.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at May 03, 2017 12:13 PM (QtQaN)

221 >>210
It strikes me that the rioters of today are hoping for their very own Kent State martyrs. Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 03, 2017 12:11 PM (hJrjt)

Chrissy Hynde's friend's boyfriend was one of the four killed at Kent State. I know that because I was looking up "Middle of the Road" to find out who played harmonica for the discussion on the last thread. That would be the thread that was unceremoniously raped by mention of ...

Manamana.

Posted by: General Zod at May 03, 2017 12:13 PM (Bdeb0)

222 A person should be jugged on whats they do and stand for end not their appaerence !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 03, 2017 12:13 PM (WmgTn)

223 196 Insomniac, you've got Mileymail.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess (T) at May 03, 2017 12:07 PM (tHwdc)

Thanks. I might even read it!

Posted by: Insomniac at May 03, 2017 12:13 PM (0mRoj)

224 222 A person should be jugged

That sounds like fun.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 03, 2017 12:14 PM (ul9CR)

225 >>If as Breitbart said politics is downstream of culture, it appears the culture has turned into a sewage treatment plant.

"Why would you think that?"

--- Stephen Colbert

Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2017 12:14 PM (NOIQH)

226 222 A person should be jugged on whats they do and stand for end not their appaerence !!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT

someone call?

Posted by: Busty Dusty at May 03, 2017 12:14 PM (FZYNt)

227 Speaking of getting fired from your job for speaking that idiot Jeff Varner on Survivor who "outed" the woman pretending to man (Zeke Smith) and got votes out without a formal vote lost his job even though he apologized profusely saying "outing a trans is the same as assault" and he "wasn't in his right mind due to conditions out there" (basically pleading temporary insanity to NORMALIZE a woman who thinks she's a man ).
Yet Stephen Colbert is still employed.
We need to stop worrying about being able to express ourselves without losing our jobs and instead go twice as hard at these lunatics, i.e., they send one of ours to the hospital we send 2 of there's to the morgue.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at May 03, 2017 12:14 PM (lZaEn)

228 Anyhoo, to understand the early history of the Soviet Union is to understand a bit of what's going on here: purges, loyalty tests, impossible standards, Catch-22s, having to admit to something you didn't do to end the torture, etc.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 03, 2017 12:07 PM (dZ756)

The French Revolution is more the paradigm that I cite for this. And the French Revolution stands out in that they had just seen our revolution and what we were doing to create, what would end up to be, the greatest, freest nation ever to have existed ... but the French were going to show that they were so much better people than we were.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 03, 2017 12:15 PM (zc3Db)

229 Survey Finds, Shockingly, that Progressives are the Least Tolerant Group on College Campuses

They are also the fugliest:

http://twitchy.com/brettt-

3136/2017/05/02/anarchy-

aint-pretty-police-reveal-the-faces-behind-the-

masks-at-portlands-may-day-riot/?

utm_campaign=twitchywidget

(remove extra spaces)

Ow!!! My eyes!!!

Behold the faces of the Antifa!

Sadly hilarious.

Posted by: naturalfakeq at May 03, 2017 12:15 PM (NyJwR)

230 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at May 03, 2017 12:15 PM (GwIKd)

231 Manamana.
Posted by: General Zod at May 03, 2017 12:13 PM (Bdeb0)

Do doo do do do!

Posted by: Insomniac at May 03, 2017 12:15 PM (0mRoj)

232 I agree that the riot managers would love to see a Kent State situation. The riot managed, probably not so much, if it came down to it.
How easy it is to play these snowflakes. One thing I believe for sure is that when it all goes down, the Pro Commies won't get burned.

Posted by: kraken at May 03, 2017 12:15 PM (zSVEm)

233 I just finished watching a documentary about John Paul II. There was much discussion about the foundation of the Solidarity movement. His going there as Pope in 1978 started the movement.

The Communists always try to isolate people and through their media and propaganda make you feel alone, as if you're the only one who has an opinion contrary to theirs. When the Pope came to Poland and millions upon millions came out to see him, there was this sudden realization in the country for each person, that they were NOT alone and that together they could enact change. They suddenly realized there were living a big lie and were trapped in it.

The other thing he was hot on was that cultural and moral foundations are what makes a democratic country. That to have communism you must deny the cultural and moral foundation. THAT'S why the left is so intent on cultural shifts, so that they can destroy that and not have a cultural or moral ethos. THAT is where the islamists come in.

The first thing the soviets did when they took over a country was to hire kindergarten teachers.

The left isn't interested in tolerance. It's interested in cultural shifts which is why what they do when paying lip service to "tolerance" makes no sense.

Posted by: dagny at May 03, 2017 12:15 PM (Mc+44)

234 "A 'ramification' sounds like a lot more fun than it usually turns out to be." - My girlfriend, to her friend on the phone, right now.

I'm laughing.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 03, 2017 12:15 PM (ul9CR)

235 But what about that all-important DIVERSITY?!?!?!?

(Of thought...)

That's so much scarier than the easy-peasy diversity of race, creed, or religion, which the left uses to make themselves feel oh-so good!

Posted by: LASue, now even more deplorable! at May 03, 2017 12:16 PM (CLKfs)

236 Trumps tweets really are alarming, the ones the last day or two on the budget situation.

If he really thinks a "shut-down in September to fix this mess" is what the country needs, he doesn't understand politics or the appropriations process.

There is zero chance a "shut-down" in the fall would be politically easier or more well-timed than one now. The election will be more distant, there is no telling what other events will have intervened and how they will affect the political situation.

Substantively, if regular order is restored (separate approps bills for different govt. functions), there *will be no "shut-down" scenario anyway*. There will only be "shut-down" scams relating to particular govt. functions.

But worst of all is the *apparent* continuing acceptance of this idiotic Dem veto on anything based on a "shut-down". There have been many mini-shut-downs the last 40 years, most of which barely garnered any attention. Not a single one ever resulted in any particular political benefit/damage to either side (notwithstanding the absurd, relentless mythology about the mid-90s).

As was obvious since the Cruz filibuster in '13, the "shut-down" thing is 1) actually taken seriously, as a unique GOP risk, by many otherwise sensible observers 2) desperately embraced by GOP incumbents, most of them in gerrymandered safe districts where they depend on the cluelessness of their reliable voters 3) celebrated by the Dems, who probably can barely believe that despite their national electoral collapse they maintain a virtual veto over issues on which that collapse was based.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 03, 2017 12:16 PM (iLoHX)

237 >>218
I miss the "cool" liberals. Posted by: Max Power at May 03, 2017 12:13 PM (q177U)

Me too. Decent, intelligent Daniel Patrick Moynihan may qualify (though "liberals" may not identify him as such...)

Posted by: General Zod at May 03, 2017 12:17 PM (Bdeb0)

238 234 "A 'ramification' sounds like a lot more fun than it usually turns out to be." - My girlfriend, to her friend on the phone, right now.

I'm laughing.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?

depends which orifice

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 03, 2017 12:17 PM (FZYNt)

239 The excellent Danish metal band Volbeat has a song called "Still Counting", which begins thus:

"Counting all the assholes in the room
Well I'm definitely not alone, well I'm not alone
You're a liar, you're a cheater, you're a fool
Well that's just like me yoohoo and I know you too"

As a conservative, that's how I see other people. The same as me because we are all sinners, and I'm willing to sit in the same room with them.

I expect people to be assholes and have different opinions than me and would never be offended enough to leave a room just because someone had a different opinion.

Unlike our opponents.

Whose defining characteristic is that of a complete pussy.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 03, 2017 12:17 PM (zKIA2)

240 Posted by: rhomboid
==

You're lengthy concern is

[x] noted

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 03, 2017 12:17 PM (C52a9)

241 232 I agree that the riot managers would love to see a Kent State situation. The riot managed, probably not so much, if it came down to it.
How easy it is to play these snowflakes. One thing I believe for sure is that when it all goes down, the Pro Commies won't get burned.
Posted by: kraken at May 03, 2017 12:15 PM (zSVEm)

It's why the Freikorps did Germany a solid. They decapitated the KPD by rounding up the ringleaders - including Luxemburg and Liebknecht - and offing them, not the useful idiots in the street.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 03, 2017 12:18 PM (SRKgf)

242 Cinco De Cruise-o coming up this weekend.

Break out the 6 inch steering wheels and refill the hydraulic pumps.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 03, 2017 12:18 PM (3myMJ)

243 Oh, and a masthead quote change suggestion:

"Bring it on, cupcake. These skulls aren't going to crack themselves."

--Shit H. L. Mencken Probably Said While Drunk

Posted by: Sharkman at May 03, 2017 12:18 PM (zKIA2)

244 Manamana.
Posted by: General Zod at May 03, 2017 12:13 PM (Bdeb0)

Do doo do do do!
Posted by: Insomniac

Manamana

Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2017 12:19 PM (Njtx4)

245 Speaking of getting fired from your job for speaking that idiot Jeff Varner on Survivor who "outed" the woman pretending to man (Zeke Smith) and got votes out without a formal vote lost his job even though he apologized profusely saying "outing a trans is the same as assault" and he "wasn't in his right mind due to conditions out there" (basically pleading temporary insanity to NORMALIZE a woman who thinks she's a man ).
***
Posted by: Dancing Queen at May 03, 2017 12:14 PM (lZaEn)

I'm sticking with my "pretending to be a ..." instead of "identifying as a ...". It makes much more sense and is much more accurate, since I don't have to buy in to whatever the person's current "identity" is.

Posted by: LASue, now even more deplorable! at May 03, 2017 12:19 PM (CLKfs)

246 >>236
Trumps tweets really are alarming, the ones the last day or two on the budget situation.

Quite a change from the measured, cool "I'm going to wreck the energy industry" rhetoric of the previous officeholder...

Posted by: General Zod at May 03, 2017 12:20 PM (Bdeb0)

247

H e l t e r

S k e l t e r

Posted by: Charlie Manson at May 03, 2017 12:20 PM (DpOmP)

248 Kate Upton can jug me any ol' time.

Posted by: zombie at May 03, 2017 12:20 PM (DQ4Fv)

249 It's why the Freikorps did Germany a solid. They decapitated the KPD by rounding up the ringleaders - including Luxemburg and Liebknecht - and offing them, not the useful idiots in the street.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 03, 2017 12:18 PM (SRKgf)

Mister, we could use a man like Manfred Ehrhardt again. . .

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 03, 2017 12:20 PM (X6fMO)

250 Cinco De Cruise-o coming up this weekend.

Tom Cruise has his own holiday?

Awesome!

Posted by: naturalfake at May 03, 2017 12:20 PM (NyJwR)

251 We can tolerate any viewpoint, except for the intolerant right wing fascists. If we tolerate them, they will put us in camps, so we must put them in camps first!

Posted by: Shia LaBeouf at May 03, 2017 12:21 PM (vRcUp)

252 Why hasn't that cocksucker, Stephen Colbert, been forced to resign like Martin Bashir?

Posted by: Fritz at May 03, 2017 12:21 PM (2Mnv1)

253 >>>Posted by: Busty Dusty at May 03, 2017 12:14 PM (FZYNt)

:::vomit:::
Her tits looked like wrinkly oranges when she took out her implants
:::shudder:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at May 03, 2017 12:21 PM (eyi2X)

254 This is what a professor wrote to her class when she declared she was 'reinstating civility':

"I want this to be clear: hate speech does not meet the definition of respectful discussion and will not be tolerated," she wrote. "In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group."

And yet, terrorists and anti semites are treated like royalty on college campuses, including the former 'president' of Iran.

Posted by: Blue Hen at May 03, 2017 12:22 PM (326rv)

255 It cracks me up that anyone thinks that Trump is worried about how a shutdown makes the GOP look to the public.

Or even that he should.

Hi - larious.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 03, 2017 12:22 PM (C52a9)

256 I'm in the camp of "Now is not the time to go to the mattresses on the budget."

If Trump disappoints in the Fall I'll be mad. I expect I won't be.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 03, 2017 12:22 PM (SIY7D)

257 249. Second look at my bear-riding Mongol/Cossack/Gurkha/Sikh idea?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 03, 2017 12:22 PM (TwwWO)

258 And yet, terrorists and anti semites are treated like royalty on college campuses, including the former 'president' of Iran.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 03, 2017 12:22 PM (326rv)

The operative word is "protected."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 03, 2017 12:23 PM (SRKgf)

259 Me too. Decent, intelligent Daniel Patrick Moynihan may qualify (though "liberals" may not identify him as such...)

Posted by: General Zod at May 03, 2017 12:17 PM (Bdeb0)

Even Tip O'Neill was probably a blast to have a beer with.

Posted by: Country Boy at May 03, 2017 12:23 PM (Jcg9Q)

260 >>242
Cinco De Cruise-o coming up this weekend.
Break out the 6 inch steering wheels and refill the hydraulic pumps. Posted by: Meremortal at May 03, 2017 12:18 PM (3myMJ)

All...my...friends...know the low rider.

Posted by: General Zod at May 03, 2017 12:23 PM (Bdeb0)

261 "222 A person should be jugged on whats they do and stand for end not their appaerence !!!!!!!!! "

I've said it before, but this is why I have no problem pointing out how ugly Michael and Chelsea are.

I understand plastic surgery to boost self confidence. I can only imagine what it must feel like to look at Webb as an old man and know that's what I look like as a teenager.

Getting plastic surgery and then accepting offers to pose for the cover of fashion magazines? You want us to acknowledge your looks.

So don't get pissed when people acknowledge your looks.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 03, 2017 12:23 PM (fD1ST)

262 This is what a professor wrote to her class when she declared she was 'reinstating civility':

"I want this to be clear: hate speech does not meet the definition of respectful discussion and will not be tolerated," she wrote. "In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group."

Someone want to tell her that there is NO hate speech "in law".

Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2017 12:24 PM (Njtx4)

263 so f*cking hypocrites then?

color me surprised.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob-Self identifying as illegal to get the bennies at May 03, 2017 12:24 PM (3hIZX)

264 Ignoramus, I edited your link at #141 to reflect correct AoSHQ usage.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 03, 2017 12:24 PM (FJCBN)

265 No, I oppose moral relativism precisely because it allows a world of rudderless feelings to flourish. Objective morality is imperative for a functioning society. Otherwise I can declare it morally acceptable to kill you, and no one can say bunk.

Posted by: Lauren at May 03, 2017 12:24 PM (EzgwX)

266 Rhomboid, I understand your thinking.

Trump is obviously thinking differently. It's like he's adding 5 gallons to an empty tank now and planning on filling up when he thinks he will be in a better pricing position later.

Maybe he thinks having a huge budget fight over annual budget that will set the spending tone for his future budgets is a better idea than having a huge fight over a continuing resolution that lasts 5 months, only to have another huge fight this fall.

I have no clue if he's thinking that way, just spitballing.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 03, 2017 12:24 PM (3myMJ)

267 "So, Patty, you're saying that you believe people should actually prohibit the speech of those they disagree with?"

Her jaw-dropping conversation-stopper. "Yes, if they're intolerant"
========================

This is how they will shut down the churches.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 03, 2017 12:24 PM (dFi94)

268 @LASue -- honestly I don't care if an adult (not children) man or woman wants to pretend to be the opposite sex, gets hormones/surgery, etc.
But I do draw the line at being told I have to play along with their delusions and that my taxes should foot the bill for their "transitions"
Now, otoh, I would be willing to kick in for some psycho-therapy to help them fight their delusions and accept they are what their DNA dictates they are and why they "hate Science" so much.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at May 03, 2017 12:25 PM (lZaEn)

269 Cinco De Cruise-o coming up this weekend.
Break out the 6 inch steering wheels and refill the hydraulic pumps. Posted by: Meremortal at May 03, 2017 12:18 PM (3myMJ)

All...my...friends...know the low rider.

Posted by: General Zod

Hey Macarena!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2017 12:25 PM (Njtx4)

270 Anybody who wants to be mellow can turn around and get the f^ck out of here

Posted by: Ted Nugent at May 03, 2017 12:25 PM (DpOmP)

271 NO WRINKLY FRUIT TITTEHS EVAH!!!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at May 03, 2017 12:25 PM (eyi2X)

272 Cinco De Cruise-o coming up this weekend.

Break out the 6 inch steering wheels and refill the hydraulic pumps.
Posted by: Meremortal
------------

Charge the auxiliary batteries.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 03, 2017 12:25 PM (ZO497)

273 Even Tip O'Neill was probably a blast to have a beer with.

Posted by: Country Boy at May 03, 2017 12:23 PM (Jcg9Q)

Tip O'Neill? The asshole who publicly called Reagan "The evil in the White House?"

Reagan should have had the Secret Service pop a cap in that drunken mick's ass the first day he showed up at the Oval Office.

Fuck O'Neill. I hope he's gargling the spiky, feculent balls of Satan right now.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 03, 2017 12:25 PM (X6fMO)

274 The French Revolution is more the paradigm that I cite for this. And the French Revolution stands out in that they had just seen our revolution and what we were doing to create, what would end up to be, the greatest, freest nation ever to have existed ... but the French were going to show that they were so much better people than we were.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 03, 2017 12:15 PM (zc3Db)

I'm reading a book "Paris In the Terror" right now which is quite riverting. There were plenty of French like Lafayette who admired the American revolution and thought that that is what they were getting. Lafayette hero-worshipped Washington and probably wanted to be the French Washington himself.

The radicals - Marat and Robespierre - kept pulling the Revolution further and further to the left, so yesterday's revolutionaries became today's reactionaries. There were Girondians who wanted a fair trial for Louis XVI and a public referendum on whether he should be executed. The Jacobins nixed it because they knew the French people as a whole would not vote for the King's execution - and might even conceivably want him restored to the throne.

Charlotte Corday initially welcomed the Revolution. Her horror of the bloodshed that came after, much of it caused by Marat, made her a "traitor to the Revolution."

All subsequent leftwing revolutions have followed the French one.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 03, 2017 12:25 PM (s7vJs)

275 It's why the Freikorps did Germany a solid. They decapitated the KPD by rounding up the ringleaders - including Luxemburg and Liebknecht - and offing them, not the useful idiots in the street.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Given the leaders of the Left are wealthy and well protected, that would be a mite more difficult to manage in 2017.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at May 03, 2017 12:26 PM (9krrF)

276 Our side has it's own cultists and toadys.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 03, 2017 12:26 PM (LTHVh)

277 271 NO WRINKLY FRUIT TITTEHS EVAH!!!!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy

How about wrinkly fruit leather mishes?

Posted by: Madonna at May 03, 2017 12:26 PM (FZYNt)

278 The "GOP Congress" aka Uniparty Oligarchy with their left eye closed, gave Obama Every. Single. Thing. that he asked for from 2010-2016.

Fully-Funded.

Now, tell me some more about how the GOP will be blamed for a shutdown.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 03, 2017 12:26 PM (C52a9)

279 Ravi Zaccharias tells a story to the effect of this:

"I was speaking with a Hindu elder who said, Ravi you must learn to see the world through the and/nor instead of the either/or as this is how the world and the spirit exist.
To which Ravi replied, I disagree, but please go on.
You see, said the Hindu elder, there are many truths and many paths to enlightenment. One must accept all things as truth to become enlightened.
I still disagree, but please proceed, said Ravi.
What is truth for me may not be truth for another soul and vice versa. Don't you see? Your truth exists AND my truth exist. Unfortunately, you must alter your world view to become fully enlightened.
To which Ravi replied, so you posit the truth of the matter is that EITHER I am right and the world has black and white truths OR I am wrong and it doesn't!

Posted by: Chris M at May 03, 2017 12:26 PM (FGZtn)

280 All...my...friends...know the low rider.

Posted by: General Zod

Cisco Kid was a friend of mine.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 03, 2017 12:27 PM (NyJwR)

281 Tip O'Neill? The asshole who publicly called Reagan "The evil in the White House?"

Reagan should have had the Secret Service pop a cap in that drunken mick's ass the first day he showed up at the Oval Office.

Fuck O'Neill. I hope he's gargling the spiky, feculent balls of Satan right now.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 03, 2017 12:25 PM (X6fMO)

*whips out notebook*

"Never piss off MPPPP"

Posted by: Country Boy at May 03, 2017 12:27 PM (Jcg9Q)

282 257 a sikh speaks, a cobra spits, who can tell the difference? A sikh aint fit to suck a muzzie's caulk. Beeotches.

Posted by: we are not amused at May 03, 2017 12:27 PM (CR0Hm)

283 257 249. Second look at my bear-riding Mongol/Cossack/Gurkha/Sikh idea?
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 03, 2017 12:22 PM (TwwWO)

Sounds too complicated. I just want a pintle-mounted Ma Deuce accessible through my sunroof.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 03, 2017 12:28 PM (0mRoj)

284 252 Why hasn't that cocksucker, Stephen Colbert, been forced to resign like Martin Bashir?

Posted by: Fritz at May 03, 2017 12:21 PM (2Mnv1)

because his ratings have gone through the roof the more he spews this poison?

oh and f*ck you, thats why.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob-Self identifying as illegal to get the bennies at May 03, 2017 12:28 PM (3hIZX)

285 You are not allowed to hold an opinion that a racial or sexual minority would dislike, if they knew what you are thinking. That is the only rule. That doesn't seem too restrictive to me.

Posted by: Shia LaBeouf at May 03, 2017 12:28 PM (vRcUp)

286 All...my...friends...know the low rider.

Posted by: General Zod

Cisco Kid was a friend of mine.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 03, 2017 12:27 PM (NyJwR)

Beaners . . . . . .Eat Beans!

Posted by: Tommy Chong at May 03, 2017 12:28 PM (JO9+V)

287 283. Who's stopping you? A thousand flowers bloom and all that.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 03, 2017 12:29 PM (TwwWO)

288 >>284
252 Why hasn't that cocksucker, Stephen Colbert, been forced to resign like Martin Bashir?
Posted by: Fritz at May 03, 2017 12:21 PM (2Mnv1)

Bashir doesn't swallow.

Posted by: General Zod at May 03, 2017 12:29 PM (Bdeb0)

289 Nood

Posted by: The Deplorable Cookie Man at May 03, 2017 12:30 PM (kyWPk)

290 How about wrinkly fruit leather mishes?

Posted by: Madonna at May 03, 2017 12:26 PM (FZYNt)

Bitch, please.

( *hic* )

( *shart* )

Posted by: Hillary! at May 03, 2017 12:30 PM (FJCBN)

291 What am I missing?

Trump Budget Director Mick Mulvaney has prepared a budget with lots of good things. Isn't that the one that gets fought over in the Fall.

Isn't the current one an Obama holdover, one big omnibus that needs 60 Senate votes.

Isn't the one in the Fall one that can be broken up, put to reconciliation and only need 50 + Pence votes?

If so, isn't that the Hill to fight on

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 03, 2017 12:30 PM (SIY7D)

292 >>This is how they will shut down the churches.

Yup.
Linked this above - student was kicked out of class for reading the Bible *before* class. He also had disagreed with her in previous classes, and she sees all of that as "hate speech."

http://preview.tinyurl.com/lrqewng

Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2017 12:31 PM (NOIQH)

293 ***All...my...friends...know the low rider.

I heard you guys from downstairs.

Posted by: Lee Osker at May 03, 2017 12:31 PM (rG0l5)

294 Thanks. I might even read it!

Posted by: Insomniac at May 03, 2017 12:13 PM (0mRoj)

Well ladeeda!

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess (T) at May 03, 2017 12:31 PM (tHwdc)

295 Posted by: Chris M at May 03, 2017 12:26 PM (FGZtn)
========================

Husband is a huge Ravi fan.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 03, 2017 12:31 PM (dFi94)

296 "Why hasn't that cocksucker, Stephen Colbert, been forced to resign like Martin Bashir?"

For the same basic reason that a Republican with wide stance in the men's room means a resignation while a Democrat preying on interns means reelection.

I'm thinking more of that 70's gay Democrat than Clinton.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 03, 2017 12:32 PM (3myMJ)

297 How am I going to shoot you and take possession of that sweet, sweet liquor if I don't know where you live?

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess (T) at May 03, 2017 12:33 PM (tHwdc)

298 so "hate" speech is the questioning of privilege. "protected group"', in passive voice, assumes the rulers have established a noble class and are now protecting it.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at May 03, 2017 12:33 PM (Ri84F)

299 Linked this above - student was kicked out of class for reading the Bible *before* class.
=========================

Totally illegal and they know it. There is a national legal organization that takes these cases. Can't remember their name off hand. They most always win.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 03, 2017 12:33 PM (dFi94)

300 There is a national legal organization that takes these cases. Can't remember their name off hand. They most always win.

B.R.A.

Hi, my name is Jim and I'm a Bible Reader!

Posted by: Meremortal at May 03, 2017 12:35 PM (3myMJ)

301 And all we seem to be able to do about this leftist plague in my beloved America is posture and caterwaul. Tap me on the shoulder when the shooting starts.

Posted by: Soona at May 03, 2017 12:35 PM (lN5tM)

302 To which Ravi replied, so you posit the truth of the matter is that EITHER I am right and the world has black and white truths OR I am wrong and it doesn't!
Posted by: Chris M

He's hardly the first apologist/philosopher to point this out.

William Lane Craig does so with the most clarity, but he has precusors.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 03, 2017 12:36 PM (vRcUp)

303 294 Thanks. I might even read it!

Posted by: Insomniac at May 03, 2017 12:13 PM (0mRoj)

Well ladeeda!
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess (T) at May 03, 2017 12:31 PM (tHwdc)

Posted by: Insomniac at May 03, 2017 12:37 PM (0mRoj)

304
That is how badly LS fucked
things up -- hell, they invaded Poland around 1920 (22?) and lost.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 03, 2017 12:07 PM (dZ756)

=====
They didn't lose, they got their asses kicked. They outnumbered the Poles significantly, but because the SU Army was being led mostly by party members who had no command experience, when they ran into stiff opposition at the Battle of Warsaw, unexpectedly they lost. The Poles started chasing them back into the SU and the SU sued for peace. Another reason why the SU was willing to enter into the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, a chance for revenge.

Posted by: Penfold at May 03, 2017 12:12 PM (Fbt5B)

One other thing with that. Lefties like to say that the Soviets only became aggressive during the Cold War because the rest of the world was arrayed against them. Problem is, from the very moment the Bolsheviks took power in the October coup (Revolution my ass), they started aggressively subverting neighboring states, sometimes with invasions like Poland and Ukraine, other times instigating violence resulting in civil war like in Finland during the same time frame.

From what I understand (and my understanding of that era is woefully incomplete, so correct me if I'm wrong here), Lenin was the aggressive one, internationally speaking. Once Stalin took over, the focus of Soviet repression and violence was largely pointed inward to domestic enemies.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 03, 2017 12:37 PM (XWkhW)

305 297 How am I going to shoot you and take possession of that sweet, sweet liquor if I don't know where you live?
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess (T) at May 03, 2017 12:33 PM (tHwdc)

All will be revealed in time. And I do have some pancake mix in the pantry.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 03, 2017 12:38 PM (0mRoj)

306 268
@LASue -- honestly I don't care if an adult (not children) man or woman
wants to pretend to be the opposite sex, gets hormones/surgery, etc.

But I do draw the line at being told I have to play along with their
delusions and that my taxes should foot the bill for their
"transitions"

Now, otoh, I would be willing to kick in for some psycho-therapy to
help them fight their delusions and accept they are what their DNA
dictates they are and why they "hate Science" so much.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at May 03, 2017 12:25 PM (lZaEn)

I've often said that when your body tells you you're one sex and your mind tells you you're another, the problem isn't with your body.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 03, 2017 12:38 PM (jK8Z7)

307 Tolerance is all the stuff that we type and delete
before clicking the post button because, get this, other people are
allowed to express their horrifically wrong ideas in public.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at May 03, 2017 11:49 AM

But no one should be allowed to publicly advocate putting carrots in chili. I mean, there are limits...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 03, 2017 12:39 PM (p+Wdc)

308 Tip O'Neill? The asshole who publicly called Reagan "The evil in the White House?"

Reagan should have had the Secret Service pop a cap in that drunken mick's ass the first day he showed up at the Oval Office.

Fuck O'Neill. I hope he's gargling the spiky, feculent balls of Satan right now.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 03, 2017 12:25 PM (X6fMO)

Now that's poetry.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at May 03, 2017 12:40 PM (aMlLZ)

309 One other thing with that. Lefties like to say that
the Soviets only became aggressive during the Cold War because the rest
of the world was arrayed against them. Problem is, from the very moment
the Bolsheviks took power in the October coup (Revolution my ass), they
started aggressively subverting neighboring states, sometimes with
invasions like Poland and Ukraine, other times instigating violence
resulting in civil war like in Finland during the same time frame.

From what I understand (and my understanding of that era is woefully
incomplete, so correct me if I'm wrong here), Lenin was the aggressive
one, internationally speaking. Once Stalin took over, the focus of
Soviet repression and violence was largely pointed inward to domestic
enemies.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 03, 2017 12:37 PM (XWkhW)

And also in a lot of forgotten places like Tannu Tuva and Vladivostok.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 03, 2017 12:40 PM (jK8Z7)

310 All will be revealed in time. And I do have some pancake mix in the pantry.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 03, 2017 12:38 PM (0mRoj)

I start an assignment on Monday, so it's gotta be in the next few days or I won't get back in time.
Do I have to get rid of the body, too? That'll cost you extra.
----------
Now that's poetry.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at May 03, 2017 12:40 PM (aMlLZ)

Speaking of poetry, I have some that needs to be set to music. YOUR kind of music. Email me - see my nick.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess (T) at May 03, 2017 12:42 PM (tHwdc)

311 For the same basic reason that a Republican with
wide stance in the men's room means a resignation while a Democrat
preying on interns means reelection.

I'm thinking more of that 70's gay Democrat than Clinton.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 03, 2017 12:32 PM

Got my own National Marine Sanctuary named after me, too, bitchez!

Posted by: Zombie Gerry Studds at May 03, 2017 12:43 PM (p+Wdc)

312 One other thing with that. Lefties like to say that
the Soviets only became aggressive during the Cold War because the rest
of the world was arrayed against them. Problem is, from the very moment
the Bolsheviks took power in the October coup (Revolution my ass), they
started aggressively subverting neighboring states, sometimes with
invasions like Poland and Ukraine, other times instigating violence
resulting in civil war like in Finland during the same time frame.

From what I understand (and my understanding of that era is woefully
incomplete, so correct me if I'm wrong here), Lenin was the aggressive
one, internationally speaking. Once Stalin took over, the focus of
Soviet repression and violence was largely pointed inward to domestic
enemies.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 03, 2017 12:37 PM (XWkhW)

And also in a lot of forgotten places like Tannu Tuva and Vladivostok.

True, but the only reason the Bolsheviks won the revolution--and the subsequent Civil War-- was that the red rabble was led into battle by experienced former Czarist officers , forced into the role....

Posted by: JoeF. at May 03, 2017 12:44 PM (7uYFy)

313
Speaking of poetry, I have some that needs to be set to music. YOUR kind of music. Email me - see my nick.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess (T) at May 03, 2017 12:42 PM (tHwdc)

Turning to the dark side are we? lol

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at May 03, 2017 12:49 PM (aMlLZ)

314 How about wrinkly fruit leather mishes?

Posted by: Madonna at May 03, 2017 12:26 PM (FZYNt)

I thought Teh Style Book(tm) required the use of "beef jerky drapes" in this instance.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 03, 2017 12:50 PM (zKIA2)

315 Greetings:

One of the many things that my father inflicted on me, mostly through repetition, was the idea that you learn a lot more with your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut than otherwise.

As a culture, we seem to have lost the concept of "keeping one's own counsel" from "a gentleman never tells" to "especially an infantryman never tells".

Too many people nowadays have been seduced by microphones, cameras, or just crowds to exercise any level of adult supervision on their own mouths.

I fear that this is a genie that will not be put back into its lamp.

Posted by: 11B40 at May 03, 2017 12:58 PM (evgyj)

316 "Ignoramus, I edited your link at #141 to reflect correct AoSHQ usage."

Thanks

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 03, 2017 01:01 PM (SIY7D)

317 Turning to the dark side are we? lol

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at May 03, 2017 12:49 PM (aMlLZ)

I blame Slapweasel. Or whoever sent me the Manowar Defender...

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess (T) at May 03, 2017 01:02 PM (tHwdc)

318 While self loathing seems to be behind a lot of what the left pushes, I no longer think it is the case. You see, in order to show how moral and selfless they are they prostrate themselves before Islamic fascists, etc.
The left is quite competitive with each other and even if what they propose is degrading, it only shows how "down" they are and better than the average leftist. In fact, they don't see it as degrading at all. They see it as justice, blah, blah, blah. Again, narcissim.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at May 03, 2017 01:22 PM (+aCe4)

319 Ace, I don't think it's really a contradiction as much as it is a difference in perspective (and possibly/likely maturity).

I'm very conservative and I believe that there are objective truths and they can be known. I would even take it a step further and say that I think right-thinking people should hold similar beliefs to mine.

However, I am realistic enough to foresee a time when my viewpoint could be severely culturally disfavored or in an extreme minority and end up suffering persecution due to those factors. So I favor pluralism, partially because my own world-view teaches that people should choose to do and believe right and good (which inherently means they will and probably should have the ability to choose and do wrong), and partially because I'd like there to remain a space where I can voice my views without persecution, which means we have to allow others to do the same.

The speech-killing lefties, on the other hand want pluralism and free speech only as far as it allows them to air their own views and, despite all their whinging about microagressions and persecution for being "different," apparently can't ever foresee a situation wherein their ideas and opinions might be on the outs and need that protection, and thus are unwilling to extend those courtesies to anyone else.

Plus, even though they like to claim the mantle of free-thought, they're just as conformist as they people they decry, and honestly very militantly so. Which is why you end up with these idjits eating their own over whatever the offense du jour is.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at May 03, 2017 01:25 PM (KkVB6)

320 Instead of breath mints, Stephen Colbert uses Tid-E Bowl.

Posted by: vivi at May 03, 2017 01:35 PM (11H2y)

321 Progressives know what they're arguing for.

They just obscure what it is they're arguing for with ephemeral trivia.

Posted by: aelfheld at May 03, 2017 01:46 PM (IxDhF)

322 The problem with this is that the left does not believe "that exactly One truth is true" at all. They do believe that there are many truths, but in the sense that there really isn't such a thing as truth at all. There is actually only consensus; and breaking with the current consensus is treason. They really do buy postmodern pragmatism, insofar as they think at all.

Posted by: George LeS at May 03, 2017 01:53 PM (+TcCF)

323 267
"So, Patty, you're saying that you believe people should actually prohibit the speech of those they disagree with?"

Her jaw-dropping conversation-stopper. "Yes, if they're intolerant"
========================

This is how they will shut down the churches.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 03, 2017 12:24 PM (dFi94)

I still remember when I was a teenager, reading some book from the early days of the US, and the writer was defining tolerance and so forth. Then, in the middle of the explanation, he dropped "but one need not tolerate Catholics". I checked in with my teacher after class (I was reading ahead), and found out that yeah, the whole tolerance thing was being worked out!

Nowadays believers can differ so much from each other (recently heard a discussion between Mormons and Pentacostals), but they tolerate each other while disagreeing. Religions are supposed to be divisive and anti-intellectual, but the so-called open-minded "liberal" people want to shut down everyone outside their belief-system and turn into petty dictators as soon as they get the slightest power

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