Free Speech For Me...

"First it's bullshit, then it's normalized, then it's policy, then it's law."

This is the left-wing progression of how they get things done, whether it's Obamacare, or gay marriage, or "trans" rights. Or, as in this case, criminalizing the words (and ultimately, the ideas) of your opposition. Of course, for years now, the left has wanted to make disagreeing with them a crime, and now, apparently, is the time they've decided to try to make it happen.

So Democratic propagandist/bulldog Howard Dean has of late been making some embarrassingly ill-informed statements on Twitter to the effect that the 1st Amendment was never intended to protect "hate speech" and similarly, there have been think pieces along these same lines published in the NY Times and the New Republic.

Yeah, it's bullshit, but Obamacare started out as bullshit, too.

This is the progression noted in an article by John Nolte. His point is that Dean knows full well that what he's peddling is bullshit, but he has a specific endgame in view:

Dean wants to normalize a fascist argument into something acceptable among America's elite, something that will eventually be found acceptable within the judiciary, and eventually result in a Supreme Court that finds it acceptable.

And so the big question is, of course, who is it exactly who gets to decide what constitutes "hate speech?" Why, a bunch of liberal judges, of course! Who else did you think Dean (and the NYT and TNR) had in mind? Remember, for Dean and his ilk, "our violence is free speech, but your free speech is violence" is sound, progressive legal theory.

But here's something. Perhaps Dean would not have the support of Bernie Sanders, who, surprisingly, sounds like he's kind of old school about the whole "free speech" thing, i.e. he believes it also applies to people he disagrees with:

“Obviously Ann Coulter’s outrageous―to my mind, off the wall. But you know, people have a right to give their two cents-worth, give a speech, without fear of violence and intimidation,” he added.

The senator from Vermont also slammed protesters who said Coulter shouldn’t be given a platform to speak at the university, calling them “a sign of intellectual weakness.”

“If you can’t ask Ann Coulter in a polite way questions which expose the weakness of her arguments, if all you can do is boo, or shut her down, or prevent her from coming, what does that tell the world?” he said.

Heh. When you've lost Bernie Sanders...

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Posted by: Rick in SK at April 26, 2017 11:32 AM (FZYNt)

2 OM, good set of drawings. Hypocrisy thy name is the Left.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 26, 2017 11:33 AM (u82oZ)

3 A repost from last July, on point:

One of the things that makes us Americans and not Europeans has been our commitment to civil liberties, including the right to free speech.

But there's a pernicious movement afoot to read the 14th Amendment right to "liberty" to override things in the Bill of Rights such as the right to free speech. You see, you can't have "liberty" if someone offends you with their speech. This current phase of progressivism is being played out at a college or university near you.

The likes of Obama loves them the 14th Amendment. The rest of the Constitution, not so much.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 26, 2017 11:33 AM (SIY7D)

4 Fuck Howard Dean in particular

Posted by: Rick in SK at April 26, 2017 11:33 AM (FZYNt)

5 They are missing their not so snazzy black attire.

Posted by: rd at April 26, 2017 11:33 AM (iT57s)

6 2?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 26, 2017 11:33 AM (vRcUp)

7 7?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 26, 2017 11:34 AM (vRcUp)

8 6 2?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 26, 2017 11:33 AM (vRcUp)

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+4

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 11:34 AM (BjrOM)

9 Howard Dean has of late been making some embarrassingly ill-informed
statements on Twitter to the effect that the 1st Amendment was never
intended to protect "hate speech" and similarly, there have been think
pieces along these same lines published in the NY Times and the New
Republic.

Yeah, it's bullshit, but Obamacare started out as bullshit, too.

The difference is the Supremes have already shot down hate speech laws so Howard Dean can eat a BODs.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 26, 2017 11:34 AM (mpXpK)

10 From Fighting The Man to being The Man in 40 years.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 11:34 AM (QQ+il)

11 Look on the bright side, they are stopping at only preventing the free speech of those they don't agree with. I expect it to go far beyond that in the future.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 26, 2017 11:34 AM (7ZVPa)

12 9 The difference is the Supremes have already shot down hate speech laws so Howard Dean can eat a BODs.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 26, 2017 11:34 AM (mpXpK)

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Precedent is gold, until it's not.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 11:35 AM (BjrOM)

13 Not only Comrade Bernie but even Fauxcahontas has come out saying Coulter should be allowed to speak.

Posted by: steevy at April 26, 2017 11:35 AM (r/0kC)

14 Let the shooting begin

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 11:35 AM (rvtDF)

15 9; vic, wouldn't that be cannablism?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 26, 2017 11:36 AM (KP5rU)

16 Dean and Sanders are a crucial generation apart. the New Left burst forth like a pus-filled sore between Bernie's generation and Howie's and it infected the debate with its own brand of left-fascist nastiness.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at April 26, 2017 11:36 AM (RD7QR)

17 Suck a bag of dicks, Howard Dean

Posted by: Strobe at April 26, 2017 11:36 AM (gbWkA)

18 When you've lost Bernie and Fauxcahontas, it's obviously not an election year.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 26, 2017 11:36 AM (fD1ST)

19 I maintain my offer. I will accept this proposition so long as I am the one who gets to define hate speech.

This isn't new. The Left (as opposed to old school Liberals) has always wanted to criminalize opposition to their views.

That's because in their pathetic worldview, there is no opposition to their views, only bigotry. After all, their views love science sexually and are tolerant and logical and blah blah blah blah blah. Thus any opposition is per se bigotry.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 11:36 AM (mf5HN)

20 Leftard Inc is coming up against a brick wall of millennials and younger who getting woke to their bullshit.

Posted by: kallisto at April 26, 2017 11:36 AM (kD8Fh)

21 But there's a pernicious movement afoot to read the 14th Amendment right to "liberty" to override things in the Bill of Rights such as the right to free speech. You see, you can't have "liberty" if someone offends you with their speech. This current phase of progressivism is being played out at a college or university near you.

Somehow though, shutting them down, doesn't restrict THEIR LIBERTY.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 11:36 AM (rvtDF)

22 and, as always, Fen's Law explains all.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 11:36 AM (QQ+il)

23 Stop making sense Bernie.

Posted by: deplorable Jewells45 at April 26, 2017 11:36 AM (zRZaJ)

24 Evolution of the TheJamesMadison.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at April 26, 2017 11:37 AM (72PAC)

25 OM, good set of drawings. Hypocrisy thy name is the Left.

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early Gainsborough?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 26, 2017 11:37 AM (vChNs)

26 A leftist relative of mine is offended that I find her politics "suspect" yet ....
I just can't get over the leftist comfort level with persecuting unfavored political opinion.

Do they really have no idea what this leads to? Or do they assume they will be the ones jailing the dissidents?

Posted by: Emmie at April 26, 2017 11:37 AM (xVuS6)

27 12 Precedent is gold, until it's not.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 11:35 AM (BjrOM)

Oh but Ted The swimmer always harped about Stare Decisis. But I guess that only applied to abortion.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 26, 2017 11:37 AM (mpXpK)

28 Dean is doing Gramsci one better--he's not "marching through the institutions," he's slinking through them.

Posted by: General Zod at April 26, 2017 11:37 AM (Bdeb0)

29 Hey Hey Ho Ho

Posted by: Roy at April 26, 2017 11:37 AM (7n4KQ)

30
the 1st Amendment was never intended to protect "hate speech"

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The hell it wasnt.

I remember when liberals were falling over themselves in the 70s and championing things like the KKK Marches in Skokie Illinois.

"I dont agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."

Used to be that the left and right could actually agree on principles like that.

But not anymore. Now the left just wants to silence you and take you off the battlefield of debate.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 26, 2017 11:38 AM (8XRCm)

31 Pathetic Howard Dean, trying just a little too hard to remain relevant.

Posted by: Strobe at April 26, 2017 11:38 AM (gbWkA)

32 Do they really have no idea what this leads to? Or do they assume they will be the ones jailing the dissidents?
Posted by: Emmie

See #14.

Because we ain't voting our way out of this.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 11:38 AM (rvtDF)

33 30
the 1st Amendment was never intended to protect "hate speech"

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The hell it wasnt.

I remember when liberals were falling over themselves in the 70s and championing things like the KKK Marches in Skokie Illinois.

"I dont agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."

Used to be that the left and right could actually agree on principles like that.

But not anymore. Now the left just wants to silence you and take you off the battlefield of debate.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 26, 2017 11:38 AM (8XRCm)

ALL of their positions are tactical and will be tossed aside when no longer expedient.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at April 26, 2017 11:39 AM (RD7QR)

34 Yaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 11:39 AM (QQ+il)

35 Bernie sanders made sense in his comments...I'm not sure if that scares me or not.

Posted by: USMC8541 One Shot to Slay them All at April 26, 2017 11:39 AM (xGZ+b)

36 Used to be, questioning The King was hate speech.

Trying to say the 1st Amendment doesn't protect such things ignores a lot of history and is about as stupid as, oh, letting lawyers write laws.

Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 26, 2017 11:39 AM (PFy0L)

37 howard dean should stick to sipping penis. mindrot has taken over. i've seen reptiles with more common sense.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 26, 2017 11:39 AM (KP5rU)

38 This "hate speech" Pandora's Box has got to be crushed. With alacrity.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 26, 2017 11:39 AM (Tyii7)

39 27
Oh but Ted The swimmer always harped about Stare Decisis. But I guess that only applied to abortion.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 26, 2017 11:37 AM (mpXpK)

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It's like states' rights before the Civil War. The Fugitive Slave Act was an affront on states' rights, but the South loved it because it was a useful tool in advancing slavery.

Precedent is just a tool to advance progressivism. As soon as it gets in the way, then it becomes, "That decision was wrong. Let's fix it."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 11:40 AM (BjrOM)

40 I remember when liberals were falling over themselves in the 70s and championing things like the KKK Marches in Skokie Illinois.

"I dont agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."

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But only because they agreed in principle with the speakers. In that case, "Joooos are bad".

Posted by: Roy at April 26, 2017 11:40 AM (7n4KQ)

41 America is a strange place now. I have so much sympathy for people who have children; I'm not sure what their lives will be like.

Also, do liberals not understand that certain things are subjective? For example, much of what they say can be deemed "Hate Speech." Would they be OK with going to jail for it? Would they be willing to shut up?

My guess is... no. They are spoiled children and are acting out. "Because SHUT UP RAYCISS!!!"

They need a spanking IMHO.

Posted by: shibumi at April 26, 2017 11:40 AM (FkAXz)

42 Respect my authoritah!

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Join the Conspiracy of the Month Club at the Outrage Outlet! Flavored Tinfoil in May! at April 26, 2017 11:40 AM (hLRSq)

43 So Democratic propagandist/bulldog Howard Dean has of late been making some embarrassingly ill-informed statements on Twitter to the effect that the 1st Amendment was never intended to protect "hate speech"

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Luckily the protectors of the 1st amendment (the media) will be all over this. any. minute. now.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 26, 2017 11:41 AM (vChNs)

44 The actual case I remember boiled down to a KKK cross burning. The supremes said laws they had against that as "hate speech" were unconstitutional, however actual hate crime laws could be supported.

So you can say all you want (within reason) but you can not do.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 26, 2017 11:41 AM (mpXpK)

45 I don't know if everyone has heard the lawyer for the Berkeley College Republicans and Bridge USA.

She said the Berkeley Campus Police Department has orders to not do anything and not intervene in the protests unless death is imminent. The police are not to stop any disruptions and not to intervene in any fights, unless it looks like lethal force is used. I guess they never heard of the hundreds of people that die from that one shot to the head, much less being knocked down and stomped to death?

Fouund the interview via Ann Coulter's twitter feed.

Posted by: rd at April 26, 2017 11:41 AM (iT57s)

46 30 The hell it wasnt.

I remember when liberals were falling over themselves in the 70s and championing things like the KKK Marches in Skokie Illinois.

"I dont agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."

Used to be that the left and right could actually agree on principles like that.

But not anymore. Now the left just wants to silence you and take you off the battlefield of debate.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 26, 2017 11:38 AM (8XRCm)

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Well, now the right is saying things like, "Defund the EPA," and "Limit Immigration."

That's just the worst.

So much worse than, "We should overthrow the US government and replace it with Communism."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 11:41 AM (BjrOM)

47 I just can't get over the leftist comfort level with persecuting unfavored political opinion.

Do they really have no idea what this leads to? Or do they assume they will be the ones jailing the dissidents?
Posted by: Emmie at April 26, 2017 11:37 AM (xVuS6)

They don't think the other side has opinions. They legitimately believe it is all hate and bigotry which is or should be illegal and it's not actually a different view.

Look, that's nutty mcnutbar but that's the premise. What we do here isn't speech to them. It's hate and that's wrong and bad and anything wrong bad should be illegal.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 11:41 AM (mf5HN)

48 When you've lost Bernie Sanders....everybody runs back to the car and we get the fck out of here.

Got it!

Posted by: eleven at April 26, 2017 11:41 AM (qUNWi)

49 Do they really have no idea what this leads to? Or do they assume they will be the ones jailing the dissidents?
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They own the judges, so in their minds, WE go to jail.

So yes, they will define what is hate, enforce the laws and punish the dissidents.

Posted by: shibumi at April 26, 2017 11:42 AM (FkAXz)

50 When you've lost Bernie Sanders...

...it's time to issue a Silver Alert.

Posted by: Roy at April 26, 2017 11:43 AM (7n4KQ)

51 The actual case I remember boiled down to a KKK cross burning. The supremes said laws they had against that as "hate speech" were unconstitutional, however actual hate crime laws could be supported.

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It is perfectly legal for one to burn a cross on their own pasture.

It is not OK to burn a cross on somebody elses front yard.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 26, 2017 11:43 AM (8XRCm)

52 48 When you've lost Bernie Sanders....everybody runs back to the car and we get the fck out of here.

Got it!
Posted by: eleven at April 26, 2017 11:41 AM (qUNWi)

Hey, where are you guys going!?

Posted by: Bernie "Youth Movement" Sanders at April 26, 2017 11:43 AM (RD7QR)

53 Think about things 10 years ago compared to now. Then project what's going on now forward 10 years.

It ain't pretty.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at April 26, 2017 11:43 AM (Yi9Gb)

54 Remarkable coincidence. I've been binge watching Babylon 5.

Season one : pretty cheesy.
Season two : ok
Season three : very good except for the way the war ended; dysfunctional parents, unruly children, combatants persuaded to lay down their weapons when the right magical incantations are spoken by enlightened progressives who bring enlightenment to the warring factions (war is not the answer, etc & so forth).
Season four : downright unsettling. A training simulation in the same way that 1984 is a training manual for the progressives; an example of how it is done. How to resist a dictator (Trump). How to recruit volunteers for the greater good. How to subvert and flip military units to rebellion. More examples of power of narrative and the persuasion of words.

Take the space ships and ray guns out of the picture and you have a possible 2018 rebellion against the evil Trump. Downright scary in places.

Posted by: L' Ohnoes at April 26, 2017 11:44 AM (xq1gO)

55 Ann Coulter

BTW, Ann is not going to speak in Sproul Square. She and their lawyers are still demanding Berkeley find them a room for her to speak.

The BS about only planning to speak in Sproul Square is the usual Wapo disinformation.

Posted by: rd at April 26, 2017 11:44 AM (iT57s)

56 he's not "marching through the institutions," he's slinking through them.

Perhaps even mincing.

Posted by: Sporkatus at April 26, 2017 11:44 AM (eXSOZ)

57 49 They own the judges, so in their minds, WE go to jail.

So yes, they will define what is hate, enforce the laws and punish the dissidents.
Posted by: shibumi at April 26, 2017 11:42 AM (FkAXz)

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They own some judges at the circuit level.

We're on the verge of solidifying conservative control over SCOTUS for a while (Kennedy retiring would get us pretty damn close to that).

Just imagine if we got some activist, "Living Constitution", conservative judges who suddenly decided that "hate speech" wasn't covered, and that included advocating for Communism or Socialism.

Well, it could be entertaining, at least.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 11:44 AM (BjrOM)

58 Well, now the right is saying things like, "Defund the EPA," and "Limit Immigration."

That's just the worst.

So much worse than, "We should overthrow the US government and replace it with Communism."
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So much worse than a movie about k*lling Bush.

So much worse than the daily wishes that Trump will be offed.

Yep, limiting immigration is much worse than actual murder. Becuase Republicans and Conservatives are not human and deserve to be eradicated. Like the plague.

Posted by: shibumi at April 26, 2017 11:44 AM (FkAXz)

59 if its bernies' car, you won't get anywhere. he never had a car that ran.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 26, 2017 11:44 AM (KP5rU)

60 Bernie's in the process of being purged; one too many badthink's.

Posted by: Chupacabra at April 26, 2017 11:44 AM (bkjIi)

61 The end goal of liberals is to literally destroy anyone who disagrees with them. There have been way too many published articles calling for that since Trump was elected. left wing sites have been covered with them lately.

It will not end up the way that liberals think it will.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 26, 2017 11:44 AM (le7jz)

62 Or, as in this case, criminalizing the words (and ultimately, the ideas) of your opposition. Of course, for years now, the left has wanted to make disagreeing with them a crime, and now, apparently, is the time they've decided to try to make it happen.

George Orwell: 1984 wasn't supposed to be an instruction manual!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 26, 2017 11:45 AM (493sH)

63 They don't think the other side has opinions. They legitimately believe it is all hate and bigotry which is or should be illegal and it's not actually a different view.

Look, that's nutty mcnutbar but that's the premise. What we do here isn't speech to them. It's hate and that's wrong and bad and anything wrong bad should be illegal.

Yep, and Orwell called it. By limiting language, they limited the capacity to think about concepts they didn't want you to think about, to the end result of being intellectually unable to even form a particular thought.

Orwell used the example of the word "free." To us it means liberty, but in 1984 the only meaning it had was in the context of "the dog was free of fleas."

Hence the eagerness to define unapproved speech as "hate." And it's legion. An acquaintance of mine asked me what I thought about gay "marriage" and I told her. She asked me why I hate gay people.

Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 26, 2017 11:45 AM (PFy0L)

64
This "hate speech" Pandora's Box has got to be crushed. With alacrity.
Posted by: Notorious BFD

Not only have the horses left the barn but the barn has burned down.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 26, 2017 11:46 AM (IqV8l)

65 The modern left would fit in well on Talos IV: "Wrong thinking is punishable, right thinking is rewarded."

Posted by: Benji Carver at April 26, 2017 11:46 AM (OD2ni)

66 It is perfectly legal for one to burn a cross on their own pasture.

It is not OK to burn a cross on somebody elses front yard.
Posted by: fixerupper

Same with the flag. You burn yours. You touch mine and I'll shoot your face off.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 11:46 AM (rvtDF)

67 Bernie is speaking up now because his shock troops got their ace handed to them In Berkeley a couple of weeks ago. And he doesn't want the antifa folks exposed as faculty and staff or other six figure public employees.

Posted by: Bike lock Bob at April 26, 2017 11:46 AM (Z3+AH)

68 Conservative speech = Hate Speech

Orwellian at its finest.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 26, 2017 11:46 AM (m/vQu)

69 Hence the eagerness to define unapproved speech as "hate." And it's legion. An acquaintance of mine asked me what I thought about gay "marriage" and I told her. She asked me why I hate gay people.

Why do you hate people that are happy?

Posted by: Roy at April 26, 2017 11:47 AM (7n4KQ)

70 #5

They are missing their not so snazzy black attire.

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And the masks. The masks are important. Because ... mom and dad and paycheck.

Posted by: mrp at April 26, 2017 11:47 AM (Pqytn)

71 58 So much worse than a movie about k*lling Bush.

So much worse than the daily wishes that Trump will be offed.

Yep, limiting immigration is much worse than actual murder. Becuase Republicans and Conservatives are not human and deserve to be eradicated. Like the plague.

Posted by: shibumi at April 26, 2017 11:44 AM (FkAXz)

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I remember being introduced to the philosophical idea that all people are part of one large soul called humanity. I think it has origins in Ancient Greece.

Anyway, Hedwig and the Angry Inch (I've never actually seen it, just the clip I'm about to refer to), had a bit where a character sang about the idea including animation.

As soon as I saw that, I thought it was one of the most dangerous ideas. If you believe that no one is an individual with their own sould, but are just parts of something larger, then it becomes completely okay to off actual people like one would clip a toenail.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 11:47 AM (BjrOM)

72 Hence the eagerness to define unapproved speech as "hate." And it's legion.
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THIS.

Also seems like groupthink.

Posted by: shibumi at April 26, 2017 11:47 AM (FkAXz)

73 Jeb Bush is going be a part owner of the Miami Marlins.

Posted by: steevy at April 26, 2017 11:47 AM (r/0kC)

74 One thing I give the left credit for is they play the long game. The seeds of the "hate speech" BS started being planted in the 90's when Clinton tried to pin the OKC bombing on Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: Benji Carver at April 26, 2017 11:48 AM (OD2ni)

75 Just imagine if we got some activist, "Living Constitution",

If we had the Congress we thought we had the Ninth Circuit would already look like a Hezbollah rocket hit by an Israeli SAM.

Posted by: JEM at April 26, 2017 11:48 AM (TppKb)

76 73 Jeb Bush is going be a part owner of the Miami Marlins.
Posted by: steevy

Which part?

Posted by: Roy at April 26, 2017 11:48 AM (7n4KQ)

77 Jeb Bush is going be a part owner of the Miami Marlins.

Good. Something to keep him busy and out of our view.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 11:48 AM (QQ+il)

78 Beesbol been bedy, bedy good to Yeb!!11!!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 26, 2017 11:49 AM (Tyii7)

79 If you believe that no one is an individual with
their own soul, but are just parts of something larger, then it becomes
completely okay to off actual people like one would clip a toenail.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 11:47 AM (BjrOM)

We are okay with this.

Posted by: ThePodPeople at April 26, 2017 11:49 AM (JO9+V)

80 Who are the real liberals?
I am a liberal, a classical liberal.
These idiots are garden variety Stalinist authoritarians.
Absolutely nothing liberal about them.

Posted by: navybrat at April 26, 2017 11:49 AM (w7KSn)

81 76: entrails. please clap.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 26, 2017 11:49 AM (KP5rU)

82 Yep, limiting immigration is much worse than actual murder. Becuase Republicans and Conservatives are not human and deserve to be eradicated. Like the plague.

Any time the left feels froggy....

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 11:49 AM (rvtDF)

83 Used to be, questioning The King was hate speech.
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Questioning Obama was Raaaaaacist hate speech.

Posted by: rd at April 26, 2017 11:49 AM (iT57s)

84 Not only have the horses left the barn but the barn has burned down.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 26, 2017 11:46 AM (IqV8l)

SJWs: The barn was a symbol of white, hetero, male oppression and had to be burned down!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 26, 2017 11:49 AM (493sH)

85 76 73 Jeb Bush is going be a part owner of the Miami Marlins.
Posted by: steevy

Which part?
Posted by: Roy at April 26, 2017 11:48 AM (7n4KQ)

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Visiting dugout. He's going to lecture them about Acts of Love until the visiting team just forfeits every game to avoid the hectoring.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 11:50 AM (BjrOM)

86 74
One thing I give the left credit for is they play the long game. The
seeds of the "hate speech" BS started being planted in the 90's when
Clinton tried to pin the OKC bombing on Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: Benji Carver at April 26, 2017 11:48 AM (OD2ni)

Oh they took off on "hate speech" long before that. That case did not get to SCOTUS out of the blue.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 26, 2017 11:50 AM (mpXpK)

87 >>74
One thing I give the left credit for is they play the long game. Posted by: Benji Carver at April 26, 2017 11:48 AM (OD2ni)

No kidding. Taking over the education system took decades, but it's pretty much an irretrievable intellectual fiefdom that's already delivering return on investment.

Posted by: General Zod at April 26, 2017 11:50 AM (Bdeb0)

88 Johnson, writing in 2011 at the Minding the Campus website, noted: McClain---all of whose courses deal with race and American political
culture---was among the Group of 88 members most willing to play the race
card....After the university reached a settlement with the falsely
accused players that protected Duke professors for their pre-settlement
denunciations of the students, McClain huffed,

'I'm not going to be
intimidated into modulating speech.'

...And, in summer 2006, when asked
if she was willing to speak out publicly to urge due process for the
Duke students targeted by rogue prosecutor Mike Nifong, McClain answered
bluntly, 'No.'

--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_D._McClain

Posted by: davedavedavearf at April 26, 2017 11:50 AM (BLayO)

89 Is a Confederate statue hate speech?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 26, 2017 11:51 AM (IqV8l)

90 The actual case I remember boiled down to a KKK cross burning. The supremes said laws they had against that as "hate speech" were unconstitutional, however actual hate crime laws could be supported.

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It is perfectly legal for one to burn a cross on their own pasture.

It is not OK to burn a cross on somebody elses front yard.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 26, 2017 11:43 AM (8XRCm)

Yeah, that cross burning case was the actual KKK burning an actual cross on the actual yard of an actual black family. SCOTUS was all dude that's an actual thread, c'mon, man.

I'm pretty much a free speech absolutist but I'm okay with saying when you actually burn a cross on someone else's property without their permission? Yeah, that's not so much "speech" as it is "action" for which you should "get shot" by the homeowner.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 11:51 AM (mf5HN)

91 The left won't be intimidated into modulating speech.

Posted by: davedavedavearf at April 26, 2017 11:51 AM (BLayO)

92 Posted by: Bike lock Bob at April 26, 2017 11:46 AM (Z3+AH)

I think you're on to something here. There was never a countervailing force in the culture/street wars. Bernie at least recognizes the threat, most likely due to one of his peeps alerting him to it.

I doubt he's savvy enough to figure it out for himself.

Posted by: kallisto at April 26, 2017 11:52 AM (kD8Fh)

93 Yeah, Bernie's and Warren's statements supporting free speech are good, but where are the *young* Democrats on this?

*crickets*

That's the problem.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2017 11:52 AM (NOIQH)

94 thread = threat

I blame everyone but me.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 11:52 AM (mf5HN)

95 Can someone put me some twatter knowledge?

how do I forward a tweet to someone I'm following?

Posted by: kallisto at April 26, 2017 11:53 AM (kD8Fh)

96 "I'm pretty much a free speech absolutist but I'm okay with saying when you actually burn a cross on someone else's property without their permission? Yeah, that's not so much "speech" as it is "action" for which you should "get shot" by the homeowner."

A pretty good summation of my beliefs right there.

No further statements, your Honor.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 26, 2017 11:53 AM (J+eG2)

97 I don't think it was that difficult for the Left to take over education and media. Those professions naturally attract the Left and are mostly repellant to the Right.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 26, 2017 11:53 AM (m/vQu)

98 93 Yeah, Bernie's and Warren's statements supporting free speech are good, but where are the *young* Democrats on this?

*crickets*

That's the problem.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2017 11:52 AM (NOIQH)

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I'm sure Kamala will be right up with condemnation.

Any time now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 11:53 AM (BjrOM)

99 94 thread = threat

I blame everyone but me.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 11:52 AM (mf5HN)

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I do what I can.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 11:54 AM (BjrOM)

100 Yeah, Bernie's and Warren's statements supporting free speech are good, but where are the *young* Democrats on this?

*crickets*

That's the problem.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2017 11:52 AM (NOIQH)

Maybe Comrade Bernie and Squaw Liz need a little reeducation on that

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 26, 2017 11:54 AM (493sH)

101 The Republican's are planning to fund Planned Parenthood and not Trump's Wall.
You people really are Fvcking stupid. Suck it.

Posted by: Gruber at April 26, 2017 11:54 AM (UOJLJ)

102 Yay, Bernie. I don't like him, at all, but he's right on this.

Posted by: m at April 26, 2017 11:55 AM (Gqgs8)

103 FBN: New proposed tax brackets released (sorry if you've already discussed this)....

10%, 15% and 35%.

Posted by: Tami at April 26, 2017 11:55 AM (Enq6K)

104 Feast or famine in my life......

Posted by: lindarose at April 26, 2017 11:56 AM (kufk0)

105 I maintain my offer. I will accept this proposition so long as I am the one who gets to define hate speech.

All shall love you and despair.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 11:56 AM (QQ+il)

106 Ooops....25% NOT 15%

Posted by: Tami at April 26, 2017 11:56 AM (Enq6K)

107 All shall love you and despair.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 11:56 AM (QQ+il)

I am most benevolentish, 'tis true.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 11:56 AM (mf5HN)

108 90 Yeah, that cross burning case was the actual KKK
burning an actual cross on the actual yard of an actual black family.
SCOTUS was all dude that's an actual thread, c'mon, man.

I'm pretty much a free speech absolutist but I'm okay with saying
when you actually burn a cross on someone else's property without their
permission? Yeah, that's not so much "speech" as it is "action" for
which you should "get shot" by the homeowner.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 11:51 AM (mf5HN)

The case I remember did not involve burning a cross on someone else's yard. Of course SCOTUS would not support that.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 26, 2017 11:57 AM (mpXpK)

109 >>I'm sure Kamala will be right up with condemnation.

Also Keith Ellisob (D-CAIR).
But blasphemy? That's a bridge too far, yo!

Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2017 11:57 AM (NOIQH)

110 Yesterday was listening to Rush. The U of Alabama prof who spoke out against the climate change hoax was targeted by Leftard Inc.

An office in his complex was shot up, and university admin took swift and direct action to locate and punish the perps.

OK, I made up the last part about swift and direct action. Their response was basically:

"Bullets...What bullets? Shut your #FakeNews spouting whore mouth and GTFO."

Posted by: kallisto at April 26, 2017 11:57 AM (kD8Fh)

111 #74

One thing I give the left credit for is they play the long game. The seeds of the "hate speech" BS started being planted in the 90's when Clinton tried to pin the OKC bombing on Rush Limbaugh.
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It's been this way in some form or another since the Constitution was ratified in 1787. Jacobin societies sprang up like weeds in the United States after the French Revolution. The French Republic sent Citizen Genet to the US to represent the Revolutionary government and Genet came pretty close to starting another violent revolution in this country.

Posted by: mrp at April 26, 2017 11:57 AM (Pqytn)

112 This shit is right out of Das Kapital.
Two steps forward, one step back.
And now on this back step, its time for the left to try and regain the momentum on setting the narrative for what is "hate" and what isn't.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 26, 2017 11:58 AM (0tfLf)

113 109 >>I'm sure Kamala will be right up with condemnation.

Also Keith Ellisob (D-CAIR).
But blasphemy? That's a bridge too far, yo!
Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2017 11:57 AM (NOIQH)

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Blasphemy against Catholicism?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 11:58 AM (BjrOM)

114 Jeb Bush is going be a part owner of the Miami Marlins.

Posted by: steely

Ooooh, me too! Me too!

Mommy, can I have that?

I'm better than Jebbie Poo!

Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at April 26, 2017 11:58 AM (NyJwR)

115 "If you can't ask Ann Coulter in a polite way questions which expose the weakness of her arguments, if all you can do is boo, or shut her down, or prevent her from coming, what does that tell the world?" he said.

Ol' Bernie better get back on the plantation right quick, or he's going to become the next Trotsky.

And isn't it interesting how the very same people who riot, shout down, assault and attempt to scream their opposition into silence are the first ones to bitch that they're living in a fascist society?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 26, 2017 11:59 AM (X6fMO)

116
It bugs the hell out of me that the MSM including Fox keeps calling UC Berkeley the birthplace of the free speech movement.Philadelphia is the birthplace of the free speech movement.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at April 26, 2017 12:00 PM (lKyWE)

117 >>>6 2?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 26, 2017 11:33 AM (vRcUp)

Yeah, right.

Posted by: m at April 26, 2017 12:00 PM (Gqgs8)

118 73 Jeb Bush is going be a part owner of the Miami Marlins.
Posted by: steevy at April 26, 2017 11:47 AM (r/0kC)

Please hit.

Posted by: Jeb "The other other" Bush at April 26, 2017 12:00 PM (RD7QR)

119 She asked me why I hate gay people.
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I've read that the latest push by the sexually-fucked up left is that if you don't engage in homosexual acts, you are a homophobe.

So, ask her why she hates gays (if she's not a lesbian).

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 26, 2017 12:00 PM (vg8iE)

120

Philadelphia is the birthplace of the free speech movement.

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I sooooo stealing that.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 26, 2017 12:00 PM (8XRCm)

121 >>>It's been this way in some form or another since the Constitution was
ratified in 1787. Jacobin societies sprang up like weeds in the United
States after the French Revolution. The French Republic sent Citizen
Genet to the US to represent the Revolutionary government and Genet came
pretty close to starting another violent revolution in this country.
.
.
.Lincoln shut down hundreds of newspapers that were critical of him during the Civil War.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 26, 2017 12:01 PM (le7jz)

122 Will all socialists eventually own 3 houses, or is that just reserved for Bernie Sanders?

Posted by: Crusader at April 26, 2017 12:01 PM (ewSN2)

123 115 "If you can't ask Ann Coulter in a polite way questions which expose the weakness of her arguments, if all you can do is boo, or shut her down, or prevent her from coming, what does that tell the world?" he said.

Ol' Bernie better get back on the plantation right quick, or he's going to become the next Trotsky.

And isn't it interesting how the very same people who riot, shout down, assault and attempt to scream their opposition into silence are the first ones to bitch that they're living in a fascist society?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 26, 2017 11:59 AM (X6fMO)

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Seems like a dilly of a pickle.

Sanders is the Democratic Party's one star, especially with the younger generation.

He's going off the reservation.

How do you expell a guy who is not only not actually part of the Party, but also pretty much the only reason there's ANY enthusiasm on your side?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 12:01 PM (BjrOM)

124 Jeb Bush is going be a part owner of the Miami Marlins.

I'm looking forward to the play by play announcer.

"And it's a strong line drive, resulting in a double. Please clap."

Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 26, 2017 12:01 PM (tVWQB)

125 The case is Virginia v Black in which three defendants burned a cross and were charged. They ruled that unless there was prima facie evidence of an intent to intimidate the law was struck down. There are other cases out there too.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 26, 2017 12:01 PM (mpXpK)

126 Is Das Kapital as readable as TCM? That book was well written.

Before five hundred people rake me over the coals on the content, I am not talking about the content. I like to know the enemy and TCM was a good way to gain insight on that front.

I learned, finally, why SJWarrioring was called Social Marxism.

Posted by: davedavedavearf at April 26, 2017 12:01 PM (BLayO)

127 13 Not only Comrade Bernie but even Fauxcahontas has come out saying Coulter should be allowed to speak.

For once, Fauxcahontas not speak with heap big forked tongue. How!

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 26, 2017 12:01 PM (ul9CR)

128 What Dean is really up to here is nothing less than sinister. This is all about normalizing the idea that so-called "hate speech" should not be legally protected

The foundation for this idea was the 'hate crime' laws where violating a law was made into a egregious crime if 'hate' was involved. Then we let the progressives define 'hate' and suddenly, certain groups were more protected than others; equal protection of the law be damned. From that it was an easy step to certain groups can not be prosecuted for their crimes because they are 'specially protected' groups.

Posted by: L' Ohnoes at April 26, 2017 12:01 PM (xq1gO)

129 kallisto, you want to just forward a tweet to one particular person?

Posted by: deplorable Jewells45 at April 26, 2017 12:02 PM (zRZaJ)

130 The case I remember did not involve burning a cross on someone else's yard. Of course SCOTUS would not support that.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 26, 2017 11:57 AM (mpXpK)

There are a couple of different cross cases, the one that Dean likes to cite is where the Klan attempted to say hey it was just speech and totes not a threat to burn that cross in that yard like that. Uh. Huh.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 12:02 PM (mf5HN)

131 The way to stop this now is to start arresting liberals for "hate speech". Force the courts NOW to confirm that you can't put someone in jail for words or that you can...and pre-emptively do it to liberals.

Win-win.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 26, 2017 12:02 PM (aZq03)

132 119 She asked me why I hate gay people.
============

I've read that the latest push by the sexually-fucked up left is that if you don't engage in homosexual acts, you are a homophobe.

So, ask her why she hates gays (if she's not a lesbian).
Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 26, 2017 12:00 PM (vg8iE)

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Some popular Youtube transgender celebrity has said that if you're a man who's not attracted to women with penises, then you're trans-phobic.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 12:02 PM (BjrOM)

133 Will all socialists eventually own 3 houses, or is that just reserved for Bernie Sanders?
Posted by: Crusader at April 26, 2017 12:01 PM (ewSN2)

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Fixers corallary:

All socialists (especially the leaders) are capitalists when it comes to their own shit.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 26, 2017 12:02 PM (8XRCm)

134 "First it's bullshit, then it's normalized, then it's policy, then it's law."

Concord, MA, birthplace of the American Revolution, votes to become sanctuary city.

http://tinyurl.com/knfby8h

Posted by: tu3031 at April 26, 2017 12:02 PM (qJhUV)

135 You're under the false allusion that modern liberals believe or cherish free speech. They don't and there is no longer a mask on that issue. There are large elements of the Democrats who believe in despotic behavior and are proud of it.

Why do you think they spent the last eight years using the government punitively against the people? What do you believe will happen when they gain control again?

The next Democrat candidate will be someone they believe can partially put the genie back in the bottle so they can continue the rampage. That should scare every American.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 26, 2017 12:02 PM (h5F/r)

136 122 Will all socialists eventually own 3 houses, or is that just reserved for Bernie Sanders?
Posted by: Crusader at April 26, 2017 12:01 PM (ewSN2)

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All those in charge of socialism.

For the people, of course.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 12:03 PM (BjrOM)

137 I knew we were headed here when an impolite, crass, rude, word became so extreme that it is unwritable and unutterable even in an example.

Words are words. They don't actually harm people. They're noises or symbols on a page. The idiocy of making them something tangible is fascist.

Posted by: dagny at April 26, 2017 12:03 PM (Mc+44)

138 101 The Republican's are planning to fund Planned Parenthood and not Trump's Wall.
You people really are Fvcking stupid. Suck it.
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The GOP is breaking its neck to become the new, improved Party of Death.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 26, 2017 12:03 PM (vg8iE)

139 126 Is Das Kapital as readable as TCM? That book was well written.

Before five hundred people rake me over the coals on the content, I am not talking about the content. I like to know the enemy and TCM was a good way to gain insight on that front.

I learned, finally, why SJWarrioring was called Social Marxism.
Posted by: davedavedavearf at April 26, 2017 12:01 PM (BLayO)

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I've heard that it's unreadable.

That economists hate it because it's so poorly written.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 12:03 PM (BjrOM)

140 "If you can't ask Ann Coulter in a polite way questions which expose the weakness of her arguments, if all you can do is boo, or shut her down, or prevent her from coming, what does that tell the world?" he said.

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You are saying Force is greater than Reason.

Or.. the bullies win.

Posted by: shibumi at April 26, 2017 12:04 PM (FkAXz)

141 Some popular Youtube transgender celebrity has said that if you're a man who's not attracted to women with penises, then you're trans-phobic.

I pity the mentally ill. I'm not aroused by them. Crazy Eyes is just a euphemism.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 12:04 PM (QQ+il)

142 And so the big question is, of course, who is it exactly who gets to decide what constitutes "hate speech?" Why, a bunch of liberal judges, of course! Who else did you think Dean (and the NYT and TNR) had in mind? Remember, for Dean and his ilk, "our violence is free speech, but your free speech is violence" is sound, progressive legal theory.

Remember how the Left rants and raves about "power" and "privilege"?

It's projection.

They demand the power to censor others and the privilege of being the gatekeepers of acceptable speech.

Posted by: The Uncensored Hat at April 26, 2017 12:04 PM (rUIbB)

143 Obama packed the courts with fellow activist leftists. We're screwed if we are going to rely on the Supreme court to undo all of the ridiculous shit being done by the lower courts. The 4th circuit is a good example. There are 15 authorized judgeships on that circuit. 2 vacancies game about due to death during Obama's term. One other "retired" to senior status but he was appointed by Obama in 2009. Now there are 3 Clinton, 6 Obama appointees as opposed to 6 Republican appointees. We're in deep shit.

Posted by: Timon at April 26, 2017 12:04 PM (RjcAj)

144 Will all socialists eventually own 3 houses, or is that just reserved for Bernie Sanders?
Posted by: Crusader at April 26, 2017 12:01 PM (ewSN2)

You know who else had a lot of dachas?

Posted by: Pug Mahon of the Clan Deplorable at April 26, 2017 12:05 PM (RwwCT)

145 What Democrats want to "normalize" is their behavior which is antithetical to our country.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 26, 2017 12:05 PM (h5F/r)

146 how do I forward a tweet to someone I'm following?

Posted by: kallisto at April 26, 2017 11:53 AM (kD8Fh)

I think what you do is hit the retweet button, and then include the twitter ID of the person you're going to forward it to in the text area.

That's how I would do it, anyway.

Or you can retweet as a DM.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 26, 2017 12:05 PM (dssIg)

147 146 Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 26, 2017 12:05 PM (dssIg)

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Hey, just wondering if you got my email from last night.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 12:06 PM (BjrOM)

148 129 kallisto, you want to just forward a tweet to one particular person?

Posted by: deplorable Jewells45 at April 26, 2017 12:02 PM (zRZaJ)

Yes the article about the Mexican sneak across the border to rape 9 year old girl story.

It's on my timeline but I wanted to send to some local media guys, with a comment that the rapist could find sanctuary at Mayor Kenney's house.

Posted by: kallisto at April 26, 2017 12:06 PM (kD8Fh)

149 All shall love you and despair.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 11:56 AM (QQ+il)

Demurely coy, divinely cold.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 26, 2017 12:06 PM (X6fMO)

150 Fixers corallary:

All socialists (especially the leaders) are capitalists when it comes to their own shit.
=========

Socialism is for the people, not the Socialist.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 26, 2017 12:06 PM (vg8iE)

151 133
Fixers corallary:

All socialists (especially the leaders) are capitalists when it comes to their own shit.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 26, 2017 12:02 PM (8XRCm)

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Are they though?

Are they buying and selling goods and services on the open market at all? Or are they just stealing other people's shit?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 12:07 PM (BjrOM)

152 Or you can retweet as a DM.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 26, 2017 12:05 PM (dssIg)

Thanks for the reply.

Now that I'm unemployed I have dreams of beoming a "twitsassin", but it looks like I'm miles away from my goal.

Posted by: kallisto at April 26, 2017 12:08 PM (kD8Fh)

153 Concord, MA, birthplace of the American Revolution, votes to become sanctuary city.

Trump and Sessions better get to arresting lawmakers on federal charges. Toot sweet.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 12:08 PM (rvtDF)

154
137 I knew we were headed here when an impolite, crass, rude, word became so extreme that it is unwritable and unutterable even in an example.

Words are words. They don't actually harm people. They're noises or symbols on a page. The idiocy of making them something tangible is fascist.

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In my time, we have learned not to fear words.

Posted by: Lt. Uhura to Abraham Lincoln at April 26, 2017 12:08 PM (vg8iE)

155 YEEEEARRRGH!!! is racist.

Posted by: wth at April 26, 2017 12:08 PM (HgMAr)

156 Lincoln shut down hundreds of newspapers that were critical of him during the Civil War.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 26, 2017 12:01 PM (le7jz)
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More than 300 of 'em. And about 14, 000 people were arrested and jailed during the war.

The moral of that story is that civil rights take a beating when the shooting starts.

Posted by: mrp at April 26, 2017 12:08 PM (Pqytn)

157 And the "Hate Has No Home Here" yard signs will continue to proliferate, because, because, well, because, well, it just seems so right.

Our kids can begin to soak in this meme from kindergarten on up.

Anything and everything the right does has hate behind it, right?

Look at how the Nazis went after the jews. It was slow progression that took close to ten years. The death camps were the final solution, gotten to only in the last two or three years, while it began as bullshit statements spoken from soapboxes.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 26, 2017 12:08 PM (U6f54)

158 Can we at least serve the divorce papers?

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 26, 2017 12:08 PM (m/vQu)

159 Well glad OM put it in this context because it makes the latest judicial hold on Trump policy on-topic.

The outrage - and clarity about how a lawless and supreme judiciary puts us in a bind - for some reason have welled up in this case more than in the earlier case (the immigration EO), which is a much better example, or provocation.

This funding thing is not completely outside the realm of prior and existing disputes over executive authority. As Ace's post yesterday illustrated, there are competing doctrines and technicalities involved. Not that the new ruling is solid or won't/shouldn't be dismissed. But it's not in the same category.

In the EO case, nada. That was completely baseless, lawlessly usurping power that is unambiguously vested in the executive. THAT was a judicial coup. Hence my occasional comment of ....

Judicial coup status:

[X] Intact
[ ] Suppressed

Rush now talking about the politicized/lawless judiciary.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2017 12:08 PM (PjWy4)

160 156
More than 300 of 'em. And about 14, 000 people were arrested and jailed during the war.

The moral of that story is that civil rights take a beating when the shooting starts.
Posted by: mrp at April 26, 2017 12:08 PM (Pqytn)

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Don't start none. Won't be none.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 12:08 PM (BjrOM)

161 speaking of twitter, what happened to Evilpens?

Posted by: kallisto at April 26, 2017 12:09 PM (kD8Fh)

162 Wait a minute---what about campaign promises? We can now KEEP Planned Parenthood but not The Wall? WTF? Can anyone--anyone rid us of Paul Ryan? Will Trump stand up to him or not?

Posted by: AnnaS at April 26, 2017 12:09 PM (l4l/z)

163 Thanks OM.. I wasn't sure how to do it. Don't use twitter much except for my business which someone assured me I needed to do but it has yielded squat! lol..

Posted by: deplorable Jewells45 at April 26, 2017 12:09 PM (zRZaJ)

164 Yes the article about the Mexican sneak across the border to rape 9 year old girl story.

It's on my timeline but I wanted to send to some local media guys, with a comment that the rapist could find sanctuary at Mayor Kenney's house.

Why not just add their address to the tweet, why not let your timeline see it?

Posted by: dagny at April 26, 2017 12:09 PM (Mc+44)

165 There is no such thing as hate speech... any attempt to try and make such a thing will likely spark a shooting war.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 26, 2017 12:10 PM (SrkNc)

166
Burning a flag is NOT an expression of free speech.

It IS wilful and malicious desecration of our national symbol, and by extension, a denial of the country.

I am totally uninterested in why some black robed bubblefuck concluded otherwise, and since it is BAD law, consider myself unbound by it.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 26, 2017 12:11 PM (S/hVx)

167
Can we at least serve the divorce papers?
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 26, 2017 12:08 PM

Divorce is illegal. You must remain with your abusive spouse. Until you spouse kills you.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 26, 2017 12:11 PM (IqV8l)

168 Don't start none. Won't be none.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 12:08 PM (BjrOM)

They've already started it. Time for us to finish it.

Posted by: Country Boy at April 26, 2017 12:11 PM (Jcg9Q)

169 Lincoln shut down hundreds of newspapers that were critical of him during the Civil War.

The question that can not be answered is, "Would the north have won the war if Lincoln had allowed public criticism and public opposition?"

The sixties and the seventies suggest that Lincoln could have lost public sentiment and been forced to negotiate a compromise settlement with the south.

Posted by: L' Ohnoes at April 26, 2017 12:11 PM (xq1gO)

170 That news about Concord MA is enraging. I live in the area and a more lily-white-priveleged-overeducated-deep-blue town that is completely out of financial reach virtue signaling paradise you would be chalenged to find. They want "real" immigrants? NFW.

Posted by: Goldilocks at April 26, 2017 12:11 PM (zz1sH)

171 The First Amendment is what separates us from the rest of the animals. The Second Amendment is what ensures the First Amendment.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 26, 2017 12:12 PM (m/vQu)

172 Do they really have no idea what this leads to? Or do they assume they will be the ones jailing the dissidents?
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That second thing.

Posted by: Mega at April 26, 2017 12:12 PM (BhCYc)

173 152
Or you can retweet as a DM.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 26, 2017 12:05 PM (dssIg)

Thanks for the reply.

Now that I'm unemployed I have dreams of beoming a "twitsassin", but it looks like I'm miles away from my goal.

Posted by: kallisto at April 26, 2017 12:08 PM (kD8Fh)

I think you can only DM them IF they are following you....not just you following them.

Posted by: Tami at April 26, 2017 12:12 PM (Enq6K)

174 Why not just add their address to the tweet, why not let your timeline see it?

Posted by: dagny at April 26, 2017 12:09 PM (Mc+44)

I'm such a newb. I'll take your suggestion and the others as well.

Posted by: kallisto at April 26, 2017 12:13 PM (kD8Fh)

175 How do you know Trump doesn't do coke? That's right, you don't! Not hate speech, just an opinion protected by the 1st! Rrrraawwwwrrrr!

Posted by: Howard Dean at April 26, 2017 12:13 PM (bc2Lc)

176 Yes the article about the Mexican sneak across the border to rape 9 year old girl story.
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A "refugee" from "Iraq" raped a 14 year old girl in Sweden and seems to have gotten off with just "paying restitution" even though there is a video of the rape and she keeps saying NO.

Magic words in Sweden? ADHD. He did not "understand" what no meant and was unable to stop.

Too bad for the Swedish girl who was anally raped.

/why don't they just make refugees exempt from the laws? It would make life easier there.

Posted by: shibumi at April 26, 2017 12:14 PM (FkAXz)

177 >>"If you can't ask Ann Coulter in a polite way questions which expose the
weakness of her arguments, if all you can do is boo, or shut her down,
or prevent her from coming, what does that tell the world?" he said.

It tells the world that no one is allowed to say things like Coulter says.
It says you will be violently ejected from polite society for wrongthink badtalk.

And I think Bernie knows this, though I'm still glad he asked the rule-by-mob Lefties this question publicly.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2017 12:14 PM (NOIQH)

178 Burning a flag is NOT an expression of free speech.

It IS wilful and malicious desecration of our national symbol, and by extension, a denial of the country.

I am totally uninterested in why some black robed bubblefuck concluded otherwise, and since it is BAD law, consider myself unbound by it.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 26, 2017 12:11 PM (S/hVx)

Just try to torch a rainbow flag, or the Mexican flag, and see how much "free speech" protection the Left is willing to afford you...

Posted by: The Uncensored Hat at April 26, 2017 12:15 PM (rUIbB)

179 ]i]Do they really have no idea what this leads to? Or do they assume they will be the ones jailing the dissidents?

Yes, and yes!

Posted by: very irredeemably undude at April 26, 2017 12:15 PM (2X7pN)

180 Burning a flag is NOT an expression of free speech.

It IS wilful and malicious desecration of our national symbol, and by extension, a denial of the country.

I am totally uninterested in why some black robed bubblefuck concluded
otherwise, and since it is BAD law, consider myself unbound by it.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 26, 2017 12:11 PM (S/hVx)

You may not like it (I certainly don't) but burning a flag is the epitome of speech. Even when it involves no words, the message of contempt for the country whose flag it is is as clear as clear can be.

I may find such expressive speech contemptible, but a symbol of a country cannot and should not be protected at the expense of the explicit rights granted under that symbol.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 26, 2017 12:16 PM (SrkNc)

181 how do I forward a tweet to someone I'm following?

Posted by: kallisto
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I think you can go to jail for that.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her at April 26, 2017 12:16 PM (awqUF)

182
It tells the world that no one is allowed to say things like Coulter says.
It says you will be violently ejected from polite society for wrongthink badtalk.

And I think Bernie knows this, though I'm still glad he asked the rule-by-mob Lefties this question publicly.
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Bernie > the FAB

Random Republican > Bernie

Posted by: shibumi at April 26, 2017 12:16 PM (FkAXz)

183 169 Lincoln shut down hundreds of newspapers that were critical of him during the Civil War.

The question that can not be answered is, "Would the north have won the war if Lincoln had allowed public criticism and public opposition?"

The sixties and the seventies suggest that Lincoln could have lost public sentiment and been forced to negotiate a compromise settlement with the south.
Posted by: L' Ohnoes at April 26, 2017 12:11 PM (xq1gO)

My view is Lincoln was proceeding as though martial law had been established nationally as opposed to just individual states.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 26, 2017 12:16 PM (m/vQu)

184 If the Left was winning, ESPN would be on a hiring spree instead of terminating the employment of 100 people.

Posted by: mrp at April 26, 2017 12:16 PM (Pqytn)

185 I wish to self identify as Transphobic.

Thank you.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 26, 2017 12:17 PM (J+eG2)

186 In Soviet America, tweet follows you.

Posted by: Strobe at April 26, 2017 12:17 PM (gbWkA)

187 183 My view is Lincoln was proceeding as though martial law had been established nationally as opposed to just individual states.
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 26, 2017 12:16 PM (m/vQu)

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There was also the fear that Maryland would secede, leaving D.C. surrounded on all sides by the Confederacy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 12:17 PM (BjrOM)

188 The Swedish Chef only does halal now.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 26, 2017 12:17 PM (cBECC)

189 184 If the Left was winning, ESPN would be on a hiring spree instead of terminating the employment of 100 people.
Posted by: mrp at April 26, 2017 12:16 PM (Pqytn)

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Would they be afraid of Ann Coulter if they were winning?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 12:17 PM (BjrOM)

190
The question that can not be answered is, "Would the north have won the war if Lincoln had allowed public criticism and public opposition?"

There was still plenty of public criticism during the war

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at April 26, 2017 12:18 PM (lKyWE)

191 Is burning a rainbow flag considered protected free speech?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 26, 2017 12:18 PM (J+eG2)

192 >>A "refugee" from "Iraq" raped a 14 year old girl in Sweden and seems to
have gotten off with just "paying restitution" even though there is a
video of the rape and she keeps saying NO.

The refugee who raped an 11 year-old boy at a swimming pool in Sweden (IIRC) got off with a claim that it was "emergency sex."

Look, if you're going to say that people from another culture can't be held to your society's norms, then how can you say they belong in your society?

Go ahead - give in to the soft bigotry of low expectations, but also admit that this makes them absolutely incapable of being anywhere but their home country/culture. You can't have both.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2017 12:18 PM (NOIQH)

193 IMO burning the Flag in public is akin to incitement to riot and threatening as much as burning a cross in public.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 26, 2017 12:18 PM (m/vQu)

194 To be fair the libs aren't really being hypocritical or inconsistent just because they pretend to appeal to moral principles in order to gain power, and then reject them when they are in power.

Imagine if a wild animal attacked you and you beat it back. It would howl in pain and anger, as if you had wronged it. But if you let it attack you, it would simply destroy you without worrying at all about the pain it caused you. It would probably be enjoying itself. But we wouldn't call that animal a hypocrite.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 26, 2017 12:18 PM (vRcUp)

195 It tells the world that no one is allowed to say things like Coulter says.
It says you will be violently ejected from polite society for wrongthink badtalk.

Don't throw me in that briar patch!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 12:19 PM (rvtDF)

196 This new judicial practice of citing or distorting campaign statements as relevant to the legality of real executive actions is a bizarre new twist on the evisceration of the rule of law.

Repudiation of the courts is the only effective option left, if this persists. That was clear with the earlier EO. It was fairly clear as far back as Hamdan v. Bush (Kennedy usurping the treaty power from the executive AND Senate) in the years after 9/11.

I wonder if Sessions and Co. have seriously looked at the option of prosecuting criminal cases against officials or other individuals for violation of federal laws against abetting illegal immigration (Don Q. here frequently mentions this idea).

Probably the best thing is for the judicial usurpation to ramp up even more, forcing Trump to finally repudiate their lawlessness. But the inertial obsession with NOT doing this, regardless of how insane or grotesque the judicial lawlessness gets, will be a huge obstacle to such decisive action.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2017 12:19 PM (PjWy4)

197 nood ESPN

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 12:19 PM (BjrOM)

198 >>>Obama packed the courts with fellow activist leftists. We're screwed if
we are going to rely on the Supreme court to undo all of the ridiculous
shit being done by the lower courts. The 4th circuit is a good
example. There are 15 authorized judgeships on that circuit. 2
vacancies game about due to death during Obama's term. One other
"retired" to senior status but he was appointed by Obama in 2009. Now
there are 3 Clinton, 6 Obama appointees as opposed to 6 Republican
appointees. We're in deep shit.
.
.
.And that's why they had to delude themselves into the inevitability of hillary winning. They were going to finally fix SCOTUS. I guarantee that if hillary had won, she would have had at least 3 SCOTUS picks and possibly a fourth one.

You know Ruth "Buzzy" Ginsberg would have announced her retirement right after the inauguration., and Kennedy would have been right next to her.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 26, 2017 12:19 PM (le7jz)

199 I think you can go to jail for that.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her at April 26, 2017 12:16 PM (awqUF)

I WAS FRAMED

Posted by: kallisto at April 26, 2017 12:19 PM (kD8Fh)

200 Le NOOD.

it has arrived

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 26, 2017 12:19 PM (J+eG2)

201 The refugee who raped an 11 year-old boy at a swimming pool in Sweden (IIRC) got off with a claim that it was "emergency sex."
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Yeah, that Brexit vote.

Such a mystery.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her at April 26, 2017 12:19 PM (awqUF)

202 Imagine if a wild animal attacked you and you beat it back. It would howl in pain and anger, as if you had wronged it.

If you let it live, you done fucked up.
Same as with a lib.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 12:20 PM (rvtDF)

203 I hate to admit it, but I'm impressed by Bernie. I'm always impressed by any liberal who isn't totally gone over to the dark side.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 26, 2017 12:20 PM (vRcUp)

204 114 Jeb Bush is going be a part owner of the Miami Marlins.

Posted by: steely

Ooooh, me too! Me too!

Mommy, can I have that?

I'm better than Jebbie Poo!
Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at April 26, 2017 11:58 AM (NyJwR)

She can get a WNBA franchise.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 26, 2017 12:20 PM (SRKgf)

205 IMO burning the Flag in public is akin to incitement to riot and threatening as much as burning a cross in public.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 26, 2017 12:18 PM (m/vQu)

Both of those things are expressive speech explicitly protected by the 1st amendment.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 26, 2017 12:20 PM (SrkNc)

206 So why was Trumps deputy attorney general confirmed by the Senate in a landslide today? Is he in the pockets of the Democrats?

Posted by: Jen the original at April 26, 2017 12:21 PM (YZ5sm)

207 Intern in my office was going around saying "OMG Trump wants to get rid of the Department of Education!!!! Do you believe it???!"

I said "So? Do you know what year the DOE was formed?"

The blood left his face and a cross between abject terror and oh shit what if it's actually pretty recent appeared.

I begged him to just give me a decade. He guessed the 40's but he was hedging and had obviously thought it was a lot older. When I told him 1979 you could at least see the wheels turning. He shut up after that.

Posted by: Mega at April 26, 2017 12:21 PM (BhCYc)

208 I thought Howard Dean went back being Hillary's human tampon? Maybe Weiner took it instead haven't seen him around much.

Posted by: Killerdog at April 26, 2017 12:22 PM (a5I8h)

209
The sixties and the seventies suggest that Lincoln could have lost public sentiment and been forced to negotiate a compromise settlement with the south. Posted by: L' Ohnoes at April 26, 2017 12:11 PM (xq1gO)

That's McClellan and democrats ran on in 1864 and they lost

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at April 26, 2017 12:22 PM (lKyWE)

210 207 Intern in my office was going around saying "OMG Trump wants to get rid of the Department of Education!!!! Do you believe it???!"

I said "So? Do you know what year the DOE was formed?"

The blood left his face and a cross between abject terror and oh shit what if it's actually pretty recent appeared.

I begged him to just give me a decade. He guessed the 40's but he was hedging and had obviously thought it was a lot older. When I told him 1979 you could at least see the wheels turning. He shut up after that.

Posted by: Mega at April 26, 2017 12:21 PM (BhCYc)

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I remember founding it way back in the early 1800s...

Sorry, wait...that was me fighting a war against the British.

Oops.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 12:24 PM (BjrOM)

211 I hate to admit it, but I'm impressed by Bernie. I'm always impressed by any liberal who isn't totally gone over to the dark side.
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Dont forget the rule. If they're already in office they are full of shit. If they're running for office they are also full of shit. Dude votes in lockstep with them and only demurs when it's not Commie enough. He'd vote for any judge who would order us imprisoned for our speech. Rubber meet road. Fuck him.

Posted by: Mega at April 26, 2017 12:25 PM (BhCYc)

212 The time is and has been here, that laws needn't be complied with.

I helped a guy opening a beer garden in my town during the construction phase. He was forced to install $12,000 worth of handrails and side boards, install Braille bathroom signs, re-install paper towel dispensers at wheelchair accessible height to comply with ADA regulations to accommodate the .001% of his business that would be wheelchair bound. At one point in time they told him to put in rock to control erosion and then two weeks later made him remove the rocks because they constituted a trip hazard. They literally made him move rocks from one pile to another. They made him fence in a 1 foot deep fountain. They made him buy a $400 lock box which he had to keep a spare key in which the city has access to in case of a fire so that fireman wouldn't have to break down the $300 door in the off chance of a fire.

At some point in time our cuck society is going to have to say, "No thank you, I shall not comply with that law because it's unreasonable. And no, I won't fight you in court over it, I'll come over to your house a beat your ass in front of your wife and kids."

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at April 26, 2017 12:30 PM (gtQ/3)

213
I appreciate and understand the arguments to my rant about flag burning.

But I must tell you that it will in no way alter my view.

It IS desecration.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 26, 2017 12:32 PM (S/hVx)

214 213
I appreciate and understand the arguments to my rant about flag burning.

But I must tell you that it will in no way alter my view.

It IS desecration.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 26, 2017 12:32 PM (S/hVx)

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Which is not illegal.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 26, 2017 12:33 PM (BjrOM)

215 If it is possible the flag burning can set something else on fire then its arson. Lets try smearing pig crap on Korans in public and see who bitches.

Posted by: torabora at April 26, 2017 12:42 PM (0+2tr)

216 Make this a law:

Whoever proposes the "hate speech" amendment...the other side gets to define what constitutes "hate speech".

Posted by: AnnaH at April 26, 2017 12:43 PM (7mMUX)

217 Everyone's doing' the Bristol Stomp!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCOB5-E4P6Y

Yeah, Baby!!!

Posted by: naturalfake at April 26, 2017 12:44 PM (NyJwR)

218 If it is possible the flag burning can set something
else on fire then its arson. Lets try smearing pig crap on Korans in
public and see who bitches.

Posted by: torabora at April 26, 2017 12:42 PM (0+2tr)

That is protected expressive speech too and the government cannot stop you from smearing pig crap on korans so long as you own the korans in question.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 26, 2017 01:20 PM (qf8IB)

219 As stated by me before, we are in the nascent stage of the fall of American exceptionalism. After this, we might be in the age of idiocracy, in w/c
"The former Washington, D.C. has lost most of its infrastructure, with people living in plastic huts called "domistile". The human population have become morbidly stupid, speak only low registers of English competently, are profoundly anti-intellectual, and are named after corporate products."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy#Plot

Our generation could yet be saved from this ignominy, because we might be up there or down below, whatever the things that you did here on earth.

However, the next generation and the generations after that would have to take the brunt of this dumbing down of the US and the world.

Posted by: Lemuel Vargas at April 26, 2017 01:34 PM (CmIMn)

220 Keep it up, leftists.
I can think of no quicker way to an all-out war than the path you're currently on.

Keep pushing it.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at April 26, 2017 01:35 PM (0xzXo)

221 As some others have pointed out, this isn't actually new. I'm 63; I was there. Yes, they said "Question Authority", but as some hippy on a sitcom said, "I meant Nixon, not me!"

The left was always strong on suppression of dissenting speech when I was young. The only difference is that they couldn't afford to be quite so open about it as now. The college "authorities" - the administrations - were extremely liberal, but they had to at least give lip-service to the Jefferson-Mill line on speech. Plus, though they overwhelmingly identified as male, they were without testicles. Bernie is just a survivor of that era. The hard left despised them, and their ideas, preferring Marcuse's concept of "repressive tolerance".

Nowadays, since they ARE the college administrations, they are just putting their theories into practice.

One more point: the ACLU's defense of Nazi/Klan speech was at least in part intended to give the impression that they were quite typical of the right.

Posted by: George LeS at April 26, 2017 01:38 PM (+TcCF)

222 I'm not so sure Bernie wouldn't go along with criminalizing "hate" speech. I think he just may be positioning himself as the reasonable guy. But he would be down with silencing the rest of us when it doesn't hurt him politically.

Posted by: Abby Normal at April 26, 2017 01:44 PM (cQO95)

223 The keep pushing bc they know we are all talk no action all hat no cattle. The left is already at war with us america and the rule of law. They are soon going to moot quant notions like allowing milo on campus since his views will be against the law but at least we can complain on blogs about it...

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