Lies, Damned Lies, And Statistics

The Cato Institute: GAO Weighs In On "Countering Violent Extremism"

From the GAO's report:

Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).

It sounds like we are focusing our energies on the wrong people, at least at first glance. But, as usual, the death-wish among a certain group of elites is on full display. Those statistics are for the United States, not the world. It is a sleazy and underhanded analysis of a world-wide problem.

But The Cato Institute seems to buy into that canard, that since there are fewer attacks on U.S. soil, militant Islam isn't that big of a problem.

I understand their reluctance to ease Constitutional protections, but there is a reasonable accommodation to be made when the often-expressed desire of militant Islam is to destroy Western society. That they haven't done much in this country post 9/11 is a testament to two big oceans between us and them, and taking the fight to their countries.

Posted by: CBD at 12:33 PM

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1 1st?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 24, 2017 11:30 AM (p+Wdc)

2 Hmm. I'll go get The Others.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 24, 2017 11:31 AM (p+Wdc)

3 The Others have been summoned.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 24, 2017 11:32 AM (p+Wdc)

4 Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001,

Obviously they are not talking about the "World" that would be more like 85 a day...

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 11:32 AM (O2RFr)

5 Quiet in here.

*pours more coffee*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 24, 2017 11:33 AM (p+Wdc)

6
*flounces off*

Posted by: Young Girl, flouncing off at April 24, 2017 11:33 AM (ZO497)

7 Notice how they conveniently start their data collection on 9/12/2001. Hmmm... I wonder why they would exclude the previous day?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 24, 2017 11:33 AM (gqMR8)

8 "Those statistics are for the United States, not the world."

And I still call bullsh!t.

Posted by: Tami at April 24, 2017 11:33 AM (Enq6K)

9 I'll have to go read the article because I'm not buying even 62 incidents in a nation of 300+ Million.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 24, 2017 11:33 AM (QQ+il)

10 I'd love to see their actual metrics, I have to assume they've lumped in every fucking loonybin jobber as a "right wing" nut, even if they were openly anything but (like Lautner, or the crazy who flew a plane into the IRS).

Posted by: Gaff at April 24, 2017 11:34 AM (jPS2y)

11 Kind of telling that their window opens up on 9/12, isn't it?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 24, 2017 11:34 AM (p+Wdc)

12 What are they counting as "Violent extremist" incidents?

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 11:34 AM (O2RFr)

13 Also, I really question the "far right" definitions used by the GAO, since numbers came from Obama's Justice Department and their handmaids at SPLC.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at April 24, 2017 11:34 AM (Gq5Jb)

14 I guess we all better get to making babies. We have acceptable loses to make up for

Posted by: Bruce at April 24, 2017 11:34 AM (dp5JC)

15 I wonder why leftist groups were left out of the analysis.

Posted by: Waste93 at April 24, 2017 11:34 AM (05J0u)

16 And the Fort Hood shooter was an incident of "workplace violence."

Fucking liars.

Posted by: Dang at April 24, 2017 11:35 AM (8b+oT)

17 And what is the definition of "right wing violent extremism"?

Posted by: josephistan at April 24, 2017 11:35 AM (7HtZB)

18 Where did the global terror-networks Anti-fa, Black-Lives-Matter and MS-13 rank on the lists?

Posted by: Iblis at April 24, 2017 11:35 AM (9221z)

19 Congrats. Cato has just joined the SPLC rank of credibility.

Posted by: JEM at April 24, 2017 11:35 AM (TppKb)

20 12
What are they counting as "Violent extremist" incidents?

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 11:34 AM (O2RFr)

And who are these "far right wing violent extremist groups"?

Posted by: Tami at April 24, 2017 11:35 AM (Enq6K)

21 I'll have to go read the article because I'm not buying even 62 incidents in a nation of 300+ Million.

Posted by: Grump928(c)

There have probably been others that got masked as other crimes ("workplace violence" etc.) I doubt anyone but God knows the truth.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at April 24, 2017 11:35 AM (9krrF)

22 so zero violence from far left wing violent extremist groups ?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at April 24, 2017 11:35 AM (h/uSM)

23 10 I'd love to see their actual metrics, I have to assume they've lumped in every fucking loonybin jobber as a "right wing" nut, even if they were openly anything but (like Lautner, or the crazy who flew a plane into the IRS).
Posted by: Gaff at April 24, 2017 11:34 AM (jPS2y)

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I think I remember seeing something about these numbers a few years ago. The beancounters lumped "unknowns" into "right wing" or something stupid like that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 11:35 AM (mC1ZI)

24 I wonder why leftist groups were left out of the analysis.

Because they always call them "right wing" even when they are obviously lefties...

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 11:35 AM (O2RFr)

25 62 far-right cases of violence? Where was I?

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at April 24, 2017 11:35 AM (tHwdc)

26 Bullshit on the whole fucking statement. Define those terms you fling around.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at April 24, 2017 11:36 AM (GJ+Qx)

27 "The Brennan Center..." I think I've spotted the problem.

Posted by: fly gal at April 24, 2017 11:36 AM (tBaS5)

28 Kind of telling that their window opens up on 9/12, isn't it?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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Quick way to subtract a few thousand off the islamic terrorist deaths list.

Posted by: Dang at April 24, 2017 11:36 AM (8b+oT)

29 That they haven't done much in this country post 9/11 is a testament to two big oceans between us and them, and taking the fight to their countries.

Posted by: CBD at 11:29 AM

Another reason for relatively few incidents is the nature of radical Islam itself. They "blend in" because they have to, in places where they are an extreme minority, and don't start getting all uppity (for the most part) until they have the numbers to make it stick. Like they do in Europe.

So... in addition to leaving the oceans where they are, and tightening up the flow of illegals, a policy of, get this, limiting LEGAL immigration from some parts of the world will at least slow down the stead flow of radical Islam into this country.

Crazy, I know.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 11:36 AM (TOk1P)

30 I think I remember seeing something about these numbers a few years ago. The beancounters lumped "unknowns" into "right wing" or something stupid like that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 11:35 AM (mC1ZI)

And I think a few bank robberies were counted as acts of terrorism.

Posted by: josephistan at April 24, 2017 11:36 AM (7HtZB)

31 How can there be only 23 deaths from "radical Islam?" Didn't the Islamist who shot up the Florida nightclub kill at least 30 or 40?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 24, 2017 11:36 AM (gqMR8)

32 *flounces off*

Posted by: Young Girl, flouncing off at April 24, 2017 11:33 AM (ZO497)

I like flouncing. And girls. Come back!

Posted by: Ted Kennedy at April 24, 2017 11:36 AM (X6fMO)

33 62 / 16 = 3.8 per year.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 24, 2017 11:37 AM (QQ+il)

34 Well, that would have worked better without the Kennedy sock.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 24, 2017 11:37 AM (X6fMO)

35 Roomy in here, but on that I still call complete and utter chickenshit on those numbers. How are they arriving at Far Right wing groups? Is Antifa part of a rar right wing groups in there book?

Posted by: Picric at April 24, 2017 11:37 AM (NchlI)

36 26 Bullshit on the whole fucking statement. Define those terms you fling around.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at April 24, 2017 11:36 AM (GJ+Qx)

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"Well, fascists are definitely small government right wingers. My professor told me so."
-Very smart college student who knows she passed that Calculus final by writing #MalePrivelidge a few hundred times on the paper and handing it in

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 11:37 AM (mC1ZI)

37 Right wingers like their guns, so all those extreme gun crimes are from right wingers, silly.

Posted by: Dang at April 24, 2017 11:37 AM (8b+oT)

38 31 How can there be only 23 deaths from "radical Islam?" Didn't the Islamist who shot up the Florida nightclub kill at least 30 or 40?

23 "incidents" not deaths... If they mentioned deaths it would ruin their story...

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 11:38 AM (O2RFr)

39 let's not forget that half the country is right wing and 1% is Islamic

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at April 24, 2017 11:38 AM (h/uSM)

40 31 How can there be only 23 deaths from "radical Islam?" Didn't the Islamist who shot up the Florida nightclub kill at least 30 or 40?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 24, 2017 11:36 AM (gqMR

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I think the report is a few years old.

I think...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 11:38 AM (mC1ZI)

41 What 62 right wing extremist incidents resulting in death since 2001?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 24, 2017 11:38 AM (Nwg0u)

42 So every single violent event that was not Muslim incited was "extreme right wing."

Bullshit.

Posted by: some1 at April 24, 2017 11:38 AM (S5LAZ)

43 far right wing violent extremist groups

Define "far right wing violent extremist groups".

Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 11:38 AM (HBKaX)

44 "Young Girl, flouncing off"

Meh.

Posted by: Emmanuel Macron at April 24, 2017 11:38 AM (F/dMS)

45 Your chances of being killed by an escaped prisoner are infinitesimal, so why do we spend billions on prison security? Think of all the children we could feed for that money.

Just another retarded abuse of statistics.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at April 24, 2017 11:38 AM (rft/I)

46 I guarantee you that the "right wing attacks" on the list, aren't.

If it's the list they usually pull this bs number from, it includes tons of left wing attacks (like the guy who flew his plane into the IRS building) as right wing. It also includes things like "this guy got into a domestic dispute, but he was a right winger who hated Obama!!!"

So yeah, bullshit.

Posted by: Lauren at April 24, 2017 11:38 AM (WyLb8)

47 It'd be interesting (I didn't see it in the breakdown, but I think it's worth noting) what percentage of the "radical Islamist violent extremists" were second-generation American residents with a predominantly Middle Eastern heritage. I've seen the case made elsewhere that this, really, is the demographic that needs attention, and one that's so very easily identified (read: "profiled." Yes, by contemporary definitions, I'm aware that that kind of observation is a tell for racism).

Posted by: General Zod at April 24, 2017 11:38 AM (Bdeb0)

48 Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal are suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.

Posted by: Aaron Levenstein at April 24, 2017 11:38 AM (ymRuQ)

49 Define "far right wing violent extremist groups".

A gun was used?

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 11:39 AM (O2RFr)

50 43 far right wing violent extremist groups

Define "far right wing violent extremist groups".
Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 11:38 AM (HBKaX)

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The Republican Party.

Duh.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 11:39 AM (mC1ZI)

51 How can there be only 23 deaths from "radical Islam?" Didn't the Islamist who shot up the Florida nightclub kill at least 30 or 40?

His motives were unknowable! Unknowable I say!!!

Posted by: MFM, Police Brass, Democrats, and other assorted Fucktards at April 24, 2017 11:39 AM (XkVXQ)

52 It's bullshit. People who are only half informed knows this is bullshit. There's no way I would give this "analysis" any serious concern.

Posted by: Soona at April 24, 2017 11:40 AM (Fmupd)

53 51 How can there be only 23 deaths from "radical Islam?" Didn't the Islamist who shot up the Florida nightclub kill at least 30 or 40?

His motives were unknowable! Unknowable I say!!!
Posted by: MFM, Police Brass, Democrats, and other assorted Fucktards at April 24, 2017 11:39 AM (XkVXQ)

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"But we have it on good authority that he once turned on Fox News in his apartment. So he's obviously a right winger."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 11:40 AM (mC1ZI)

54 Just last June in Orlando there were 50 people killed in one terrorist attack alone. So this question emerges: Who do they consider right-wing groups, and who do they consider Islamic terrorists? Because I can easily see them categorizing the Pulse Nightclub shooting as an anti-gay hate crime rather than Islamic terror. And anyone killed in a prison turf battle by the Aryan Brotherhood is a victim of the "far right."

Posted by: Brisco_County at April 24, 2017 11:40 AM (STpkO)

55 The analysis is odd, and if I didn't know better I would assume that there was some political motive behind it.

For instance, they count number of attacks, but if you look at the death totals the muzzies are worse.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 24, 2017 11:40 AM (rF0hx)

56 Okay, here's the GAO report:

http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

Now go ahead and validate all the 'white supremacist' stuff.

Posted by: JEM at April 24, 2017 11:40 AM (TppKb)

57 First of all, you could do a similar study for Europe, Asia, and Africa in a similar timeframe and I wonder what the result would be.

Second, I'd like to see what their definitions for "incident" and "right-wing extremist" were

Finally, even if you take all their numbers at face value, what does that say that 1-2% of the population was responsible for over 20% of the "incidents?" What do you think will happen if we bring more of them in?

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at April 24, 2017 11:41 AM (rX06+)

58
Didn't the GAO give the thumb's up on TFG's numbers for Obamacare?

Political hacks gonna hack.

Crunch numbers truthfully? Not so much.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 24, 2017 11:41 AM (9q7Dl)

59 I move the style guide read "Stand-Up Statistician".

Did you bullshit THIS week?

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 24, 2017 11:41 AM (F/dMS)

60 "Young Girl, flouncing off"

Meh.

Posted by: Emmanuel Macron

Agreed. I don't like them flouncy either.

Posted by: Roman Polanski at April 24, 2017 11:41 AM (XkVXQ)

61 What are they counting as "Violent extremist" incidents?

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 11:34 AM (O2RFr)

Wonder which camp the Oklahoma head chopper went into?
Radical islam or right wing extremist?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 11:41 AM (HBKaX)

62 I wonder why leftist groups were left out of the analysis.

Because they always call them "right wing" even when they are obviously lefties...

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 11:35 AM

I recall a few years back when the SPLC was asked why it doesn't seem to track left wing hate groups, which seemed odd, given that so many of the FBI's most wanted domestic terrorists are lefties, they actually admitted that they simply are not set up to track left wing groups. Refreshingly honest of the little fascists.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 24, 2017 11:41 AM (p+Wdc)

63 September 11th would have counted as one incident.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 24, 2017 11:41 AM (QQ+il)

64 The stench of this analysis is seeping through my internet and into my computer.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 24, 2017 11:41 AM (0tfLf)

65 Didn't the GAO give the thumb's up on TFG's numbers for Obamacare?

Political hacks gonna hack.

Crunch numbers truthfully? Not so much.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 24, 2017 11:41 AM (9q7Dl)

That was the CBO.

Posted by: Tami at April 24, 2017 11:42 AM (Enq6K)

66 defund all of this shit. bunch of liberal fucktards sitting around a bag of cheetohs mumbling to mouthbreathers who lap it up and repeat it to likewise thinking idiots.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 24, 2017 11:42 AM (KP5rU)

67 "The most common scheme type was tax avoidance (63%), which consists of various anti-tax strategies ranging from the simple refusal to pay income taxes to more complex scams involving bogus financial instruments and offshore tax havens. The second most common scheme type was the filing of bogus liens (17%). The primary motivation for engaging in financial crimes was ideological (47%), although greed and other motives were also at play in 40% of cases"

Posted by: Lauren at April 24, 2017 11:42 AM (WyLb8)

68 Here is one of those times where it is valuable to read the post.

They count "incidents." That number is independent of the death toll, which can only be found by following the link to the GAO report.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 24, 2017 11:43 AM (rF0hx)

69 We have a consensus. The extremism is settled!

Posted by: Global Extremism Scientists at April 24, 2017 11:43 AM (Od+LM)

70 The kooky killers of the so-called right aren't organized. They're lone nutcases who are denounced by the right.

Almost every radical Muslim attack from September 11 on was inspired, or encouraged by well organized, worldwide groups ISIS or Al Qaeda.

Posted by: Mike at April 24, 2017 11:43 AM (jFniP)

71 I don't buy the GAO report for a second. The FNM is always trumpeting any "right wing" violence and I can't think of even 6 incidents. They have got to be counting stuff from lone nutjobs like the SC church shooter and the kid whose mommy wouldn't let him be committed to a mental hospital and then couldn't commit after he was 18 that shot all those school kids, the nut who shot up the PP office in Colorado Springs etc. and I still can't imagine how they got to 62. They must be falsely labeling leftist loon violence as right wing groups.

Posted by: PaleRider at April 24, 2017 11:43 AM (8qFZP)

72 The GAO report is here: http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

Incidents are listed beginning on page 29 (page 34 in the Adobe reader).

The GAO summary lies. The CATO "reporter" was too lazy, or too invested in the lie, to bother checking it out.

Posted by: EndOfPatience at April 24, 2017 11:43 AM (PVBzL)

73 62 incidents, 106 dead
23 incidents, 119 dead (or 24 incidents 3116 dead)

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at April 24, 2017 11:43 AM (h/uSM)

74 31 How can there be only 23 deaths from "radical Islam?" Didn't the Islamist who shot up the Florida nightclub kill at least 30 or 40?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 24, 2017 11:36 AM (gqMR

That was homophobia, so "far right wing".

Posted by: rickl at April 24, 2017 11:43 AM (xjiRE)

75 And yes, they used SPLC as a source.

Identifying Crimes: Five types of sources were used to identify crimes: 1. Existing databases (e.g., GTD; Monterey; RAND) 2. Official sources - Congressional hearings, ATF, IRS, DOJ (press releases & links to court documents) 3. Scholarly & journalist accounts - Systematic literature review (320 studies) 4. Watch-group reports (e.g., ADL, SPLC, etc) 5. Systematic media searches (e.g., 'skinhead & crime,' etc.)

Posted by: Lauren at April 24, 2017 11:43 AM (WyLb8)

76 I still can't imagine how they got to 62. They must be falsely labeling leftist loon violence as right wing groups.

You think...

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 11:44 AM (O2RFr)

77 I looked (briefly) through the report - I didn't see a list of the events, just a reference to a database that has "right-wing extremist" events listed. Anyone else actually see it?

Posted by: Austin in TX at April 24, 2017 11:44 AM (tkNAb)

78 67
"The most common scheme type was tax avoidance (63%), which consists of
various anti-tax strategies ranging from the simple refusal to pay
income taxes to more complex scams involving bogus financial instruments
and offshore tax havens. The second most common scheme type was the
filing of bogus liens (17%). The primary motivation for engaging in
financial crimes was ideological (47%), although greed and other motives
were also at play in 40% of cases"
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THOSE are considered 'violent incidents'?

Posted by: Tami at April 24, 2017 11:44 AM (Enq6K)

79 Muslims are about 1% of the population in the USA. Are they responsible for 1% of the terrorist attacks? These statistics ignore the concept of proportionality. It's like declaring one man not particularly dangerous because he's only killed 20 people.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at April 24, 2017 11:44 AM (rft/I)

80 If we go back one more day, even assumed their crap numbers are correct since 9/11, over 97% is due to Islamic terrorism

Posted by: Dave at April 24, 2017 11:44 AM (NL/S2)

81 You want to see how this is done? Read that article about female genital mutilation. Most of the women mentioned are Muslims, but they found one woman with fundamentalist Christian parents that had it done to keep her from masturbating. So see, haters, it's not just Muslims!

Posted by: notsothoreau at April 24, 2017 11:44 AM (5HBd1)

82 Wait.... according to the report...

All terrorists are either Far Right Wing, or Islamic...

Uh.... everyone one they studied...

/raises the bullshit flag

Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at April 24, 2017 11:45 AM (NgKpN)

83 i also suspect that if a neo nazi kills a guy while robbing a liquor store, they count it.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at April 24, 2017 11:45 AM (h/uSM)

84 74; didn't you get the memo? it's reich wing. please keep up with the current vernacular. thanks.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 24, 2017 11:45 AM (KP5rU)

85 The whole CATO report is a tissue of lies and half-truths. It's disgusting, and puts the final nail in the coffin of the CATO Institute's credibility.

An interesting thread on Twitter debunking much of its data:

https://twitter.com/wokieleaks1/status/856350679698374656

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at April 24, 2017 11:45 AM (4df7R)

86 Mainstream media used to call CATO right wing.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2017 11:46 AM (IqV8l)

87 82 Wait.... according to the report...

All terrorists are either Far Right Wing, or Islamic...

Uh.... everyone one they studied...

/raises the bullshit flag
Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at April 24, 2017 11:45 AM (NgKpN)

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I remember a year or two ago some left wing idiots planning to blow up bridges in the mid West.

Did this report include such foiled events?

I'm pretty sure no, but I wonder how things would shape out differently if they had.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 11:46 AM (mC1ZI)

88 It's simple anyway,the guy who shot up the gay club was clearly a right wing extremist.He was religious and anti gay of course.Totally right wing.

Posted by: steevy at April 24, 2017 11:46 AM (r/0kC)

89 If we move the dates of this study so that OKC bombing is removed from data pool, the story suddenly becomes something else All too easy.

Posted by: Rex Mundi at April 24, 2017 11:46 AM (Bxp8b)

90 59 I move the style guide read "Stand-Up Statistician".

Did you bullshit THIS week?

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yes

Posted by: buzzsaw90 MS Statistics at April 24, 2017 11:46 AM (h/uSM)

91 I thought I smelled bullshit and, yep, the GAO is talking out their ass.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 24, 2017 11:47 AM (zsHGH)

92 I mean most of the "mass" shooters seemed to be leftys... Even the shooter in Arizona that they blamed Sarah Palin for... SPLC needs to be shut down...

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 11:47 AM (O2RFr)

93 WTF?

DC snipers killed 10.

Fort Hood killed 13.

There's your 23.

How about all the OTHER attacks?

This is pure propaganda to create dissent and malign the right. That's it's ONLY purpose.

Posted by: shibumi at April 24, 2017 11:47 AM (FkAXz)

94 86 Mainstream media used to call CATO right wing.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2017 11:46 AM (IqV8l)

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CATO seems to oppose every president, so they're right wing when there's a Democrat in the White House and then "non-partisan" when there's a Republican.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 11:47 AM (mC1ZI)

95 Yard signs all around Denver, concentrated in the just about all-white expensive city neighborhoods:

"Hate has no home here."

"Black Lives Matter."

"I love my Muslim neighbor."

"No one is illegal."

And I guess they'll be mowing around them all summer, raking leaves out from under in the fall, this, for the next seven years.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 24, 2017 11:47 AM (U6f54)

96 I'll have to go read the article because I'm not buying even 62 incidents in a nation of 300+ Million.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 24, 2017 11:33 AM (QQ+il)

If there were 62 incidents of far-right extremism, why can I not name even one? Dildo Roof, maybe? But he is batshit crazy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2017 11:47 AM (0deF2)

97 Chris Harper-Mercer of the Umpqua Community College shooting is listed as a White Supremacist. I don't believe there is any public evidence of this.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 24, 2017 11:48 AM (QQ+il)

98 White perpetrated prison killings are counted, but everyone else gets a pass. Seems legit.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at April 24, 2017 11:48 AM (Re/7S)

99 PJ O'Rourke was a CATO guy at one point.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 24, 2017 11:48 AM (F/dMS)

100 The whole CATO report is a tissue of lies and
half-truths.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Vaginassassin, aka Beth at April 24, 2017 11:45 AM (4df7R)

It exposes an ulterior motive and a basic flaw in their political philosophy. Just for that their article is a worthwhile read.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 24, 2017 11:48 AM (rF0hx)

101 Bullshit numbers. They call everyone "right wing" for these numbers.

The true number of "right wing" terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11 is 0.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2017 11:48 AM (wmaTe)

102 How can there be only 23 deaths from "radical
Islam?" Didn't the Islamist who shot up the Florida nightclub kill at
least 30 or 40?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 24, 2017 11:36 AM (gqMR

Each neo-nazi skinhead attack/murder is often counted as a separate incident. The nightclub was a single incident though. By these markers, 9/11 was 4 incidents, I guess.
Why are the perps named in some incidents but not in others? Curious.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at April 24, 2017 11:48 AM (tHwdc)

103 "Incidents are listed beginning on page 29 (page 34 in the Adobe reader).
"

And just as I said, it includes blatantly left wing violence listed as "right wing".

It also lists a ton of prison violence which gets all the eye rolls in the world, and things that were schizophrenic, not political, in nature ala Tiller.

Posted by: Lauren at April 24, 2017 11:48 AM (WyLb8)

104 I used to greatly respect CATO, but they are so all-in for open borders, they'll push any bullshit to further that agenda.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at April 24, 2017 11:48 AM (rft/I)

105 Probably already asked, but....

...why are we counting "incidents" and not # of people killed and wounded? One San Bernardino or Pulse massacre = many dead

...Is there a list of these incidents, because I've stopped trusting the way some of these things are classified (crazy guy vs. planned terrorism vs. fake hate crime).

Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 11:48 AM (NOIQH)

106 I copies their definitions of RW terrorism. Have at 'em, boys and girls:

Far right violent extremist attackers are characterized by ECDB as having beliefs that include some or all of the following:

Suspicious of centralized federal authority

Fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation)

Anti-global

Reverent of individual liberty (especially right to own guns, be free of taxes)

Belief in conspiracy theories that involve a grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty

Belief that one's personal and/or national "way of life" is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent

Belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in or supporting the need for paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 24, 2017 11:49 AM (ul9CR)

107 So the Times Square Bomber and the Shoe Bomber both count as zero. And any other thwarted plots.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 MS Statistics at April 24, 2017 11:49 AM (h/uSM)

108
Former President Obama is going to come out today.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at April 24, 2017 11:49 AM (HTdUD)

109 How can there be only 23 deaths from "radical Islam?" Didn't the Islamist who shot up the Florida nightclub kill at least 30 or 40?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 24, 2017 11:36 AM (gqMR

Silly you. It was a GAY nightclub, so therefore... wait for it... the incident was counted against YOU reichswing zealots. Naturally.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2017 11:49 AM (TOk1P)

110 And by those definitions, I am a RW terrorist. And so are you.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 24, 2017 11:49 AM (ul9CR)

111 I thought CATO was a right leaning institution. Did I miss it's conversion?

Posted by: Tami at April 24, 2017 11:49 AM (Enq6K)

112 I don't believe there is any public evidence of this.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 24, 2017 11:48 AM (QQ+il)

The GAO certainly struggled to come up with so many right wing attacks. I read through the entire list, and some of them are...interesting.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 24, 2017 11:49 AM (rF0hx)

113 Deleting the signature event from the stats is misleading and unethical. Its like saying since 1945 Germany has been involved in less wars than the US.
Bunkum.

Posted by: Hit by Irony at April 24, 2017 11:49 AM (0Jeuy)

114 Sooo.... When did these multiple right wing terror attacks happen, exactly? Surely the lefty fellow travelers in the media would never miss an opportunity to hype up any of these right wing acts of terror to the hilt any time they happen, and positively squeal at the chance to hold the perpetrators up as typical examples of mainstream conservatism.

Wouldn't these have been 24 hour stories for weeks?

Did I miss these or something?

Posted by: Agent Cooper at April 24, 2017 11:49 AM (1zARK)

115 And consider "neo nazis"right wing.

Posted by: Lauren at April 24, 2017 11:50 AM (WyLb8)

116 96 I'll have to go read the article because I'm not buying even 62 incidents in a nation of 300+ Million.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 24, 2017 11:33 AM (QQ+il)

If there were 62 incidents of far-right extremism, why can I not name even one? Dildo Roof, maybe? But he is batshit crazy.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2017 11:47 AM (0deF2)

The POS who ambushed & killed a PA state trooper.

The people who took over a bird sanctuary.

That's all I got.

Posted by: josephistan at April 24, 2017 11:50 AM (7HtZB)

117 106
Belief in conspiracy theories that involve a grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty

Belief that one's personal and/or national "way of life" is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 24, 2017 11:49 AM (ul9CR)

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Just those two, man.

They give themselves such wiggle room it's ridiculous.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 11:50 AM (mC1ZI)

118 one of my dogs had a cato once, vet cleared it right up.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 24, 2017 11:50 AM (KP5rU)

119 Former President Obama is going to come out today.

Honey he's been "out" for awhile...

Posted by: Reggie Love at April 24, 2017 11:50 AM (O2RFr)

120 Post 9-11, what a crock. I guess homosexuals don't count as people (Pulse) or soldiers (Ft. Hood). Shameless, lying, fuckwits. The lot of them. ~spit~.

Posted by: oddnot at April 24, 2017 11:50 AM (g1MTt)

121 So here's the report on the trial for the Mesa, AZ murder by three "far-right violent extremists".

https://goo.gl/k7XIki

Looks like a standard-issue insider robbery to me.

One or more of the victims was non-white ergo hate.

Posted by: JEM at April 24, 2017 11:51 AM (TppKb)

122 I copies their definitions of RW terrorism. Have at 'em, boys and girls:
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So every single person that reads a conservative blog or listens to conservative radio or goes to a Christian church or belongs to the NRA is a right wing terrorist.

Good to know that the government thinks of me as a terrorist.

Posted by: shibumi at April 24, 2017 11:51 AM (FkAXz)

123 A glance at the report reveals that the report itself skews (via interprtation of events) the data, and the Cato commentary skews it even further.

It's the sort of thing that NPR will tout as 'news'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2017 11:51 AM (ZO497)

124 of course Neo-Nazis are somehow Right Wing

Posted by: buzzsaw90 MS Statistics at April 24, 2017 11:51 AM (h/uSM)

125 Please don't try to think this through, people. It's left-wing propaganda through and through. There's no need to try to relate facts because there aren't any or if there is, it's buried under tons of falsehoods and misdirection.

Posted by: Soona at April 24, 2017 11:52 AM (Fmupd)

126 Given that these statistics are for the USA, we have to look at the population they are drawn from.
Let's give them the benefit of the doubt and say that the numbers are reliable and accurate. What does that mean?
Let's see.
About 71% of the population is Christian. Of those, "extremists" generated 62 incidents.
About 1% of the population is Muslim. Of those, "extremists" generated 23 incidents.
If the Christian population generated extremist terrorists at the same rate as the Muslim population, we would have seen 1,633 incidents. But we only saw 62.
If the Muslim population generated extremist terrorists at the same rate as the Christian population, we would have seen only 1 incident. (Less, actually, be can't have "fractional" incidents.) Instead, we have 23.
So, if we accept the GAO's numbers, we are left with a nagging question: What accounts for the abnormally high level of violence among Muslims, or pacifism among Christians, or both?
Once you consider the relative population sizes, the GAO report turns from being a defense of Islam to an indictment of it.

Posted by: Swami at April 24, 2017 11:52 AM (t1QV2)

127 What is a violent "incident?"
Does yanking off a woman's hijab count the same as killing 40 night-clubbers?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 24, 2017 11:52 AM (0jtPF)

128 of course Neo-Nazis are somehow Right Wing

I always considered them left wing..

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 11:52 AM (O2RFr)

129 Every one of the "right wind terrorst" incidents is listed in the report.

Some serious Fisking needed 'cause a whole lot of them look like bullshit.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 24, 2017 11:52 AM (ul9CR)

130 Drop down to page 29 of the report for a breakdown.

We have "extremist" attacks by "ring wing" people -- here's a small sample "Neo Nazi murdered a gay man, Tuscon Arizona, 1 victim 6/12/2002"

So I guess that's how our definition of terrorism? Some guy who allegedly is a "neo nazi" kills one man who is allegedly gay and that's counted as terrorism?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2017 11:52 AM (wmaTe)

131 Idiots who talk about "Muslim terror since 9/11" are like neo-Nazis who talk about how few Jews the Nazis have slaughtered since WWII ended.

Posted by: TB at April 24, 2017 11:52 AM (wNx6K)

132 Hey! It looks like former President Pillowbiter is back!

Posted by: tu3031 at April 24, 2017 11:53 AM (qJhUV)

133 Here's an example:

"White supremacist and associate killed a child molester"

I remember that case. They tack on the "white supremacist" for no reason at all. The guy found out his roommate had moleted a kid years earlier and decided to become an anti molestation vigilante.

He had a whole elaborate plan, but only ended up killing the one guy. Race had jack shit to do with it.

Posted by: Lauren at April 24, 2017 11:53 AM (WyLb8)

134 It's all those far right gangs in Chicago that are goosing the numbers.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 24, 2017 11:53 AM (oL47H)

135 and since fucking when are Nazi's right wing?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2017 11:53 AM (wmaTe)

136 His motives were unknowable! Unknowable I say!!!

Posted by: MFM, Police Brass, Democrats, and other assorted Fucktards at April 24, 2017 11:39 AM (XkVXQ)

He apparently hated homosexuals, so, by inference, "right winger".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2017 11:53 AM (0deF2)

137 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at April 24, 2017 11:53 AM (GwIKd)

138 Obama is back,now with a 250% enlarged asshole!

Posted by: steevy at April 24, 2017 11:53 AM (r/0kC)

139 Belief that one's personal and/or national "way of life" is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent

Who knew Black Lives Matter was right wing??

Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2017 11:54 AM (HBKaX)

140 ex president hussein. assclown to the world. i await his mumblings.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 24, 2017 11:54 AM (KP5rU)

141 10 I'd love to see their actual metrics, I have to assume they've lumped in every fucking loonybin jobber as a "right wing" nut, even if they were openly anything but (like Lautner, or the crazy who flew a plane into the IRS).
Posted by: Gaff at April 24, 2017 11:34 AM (jPS2y)

It is sad to see CATO buying into the lies of the SPLC and other demunist distortion groups.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 24, 2017 11:54 AM (ujg0T)

142 >>How can there be only 23 deaths from "radical

Islam?" Didn't the Islamist who shot up the Florida nightclub kill at

least 30 or 40?

Exactly.

Ft. Hood = 13 killed, 30 wounded
San Bernardino = 14 killed, 22 seriously wounded
Orlando Pulse shooting = 49 killed, 53 wounded
Chattanooga shooting = 5 killed, 3 wounded

Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 11:54 AM (NOIQH)

143 and since fucking when are Nazi's right wing?

Since Trump became President...

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 11:54 AM (O2RFr)

144
Remember Fort Hood was classified as work place violence

Posted by: Deplrable Male Logic at April 24, 2017 11:54 AM (lKyWE)

145 Please don't try to think this through, people.
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Oh, we have no intention of thinking it through, we're just going to report it as fact.

Posted by: The MSM at April 24, 2017 11:54 AM (ZO497)

146 At least Jared Loughner didn't make the list as a right-winger.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 24, 2017 11:54 AM (QQ+il)

147 Here's a good one "white supremacist inmate killed his african american cellmate"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2017 11:54 AM (wmaTe)

148 I have seen their version of "right wing" used for this type of report. White supremacists who espouse socialism are considered right wing.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at April 24, 2017 11:55 AM (uhftQ)

149 Yard signs all around Denver, concentrated in the just about all-white expensive city neighborhoods:

"Hate has no home here."

"Black Lives Matter."

"I love my Muslim neighbor."

"No one is illegal."

And I guess they'll be mowing around them all summer, raking leaves out from under in the fall, this, for the next seven years.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 24, 2017 11:47 AM (U6f54)

Print this counter sign out and stake it in the ground:

http://tinyurl.com/kryolyy

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 24, 2017 11:55 AM (X6fMO)

150 "Prison gang white supremacists murdered another inmate for not objecting to having an African American cellmate"

Yeah. That's what the list includes. Stupid prison gang shot. There's several in that vein. Of course, there's no scare statistics saying how many white guys are killed by the black gangs. Wouldn't fit the narrative.

Posted by: Lauren at April 24, 2017 11:55 AM (WyLb8)

151
Please everyone! Do not take a drink every-time Obama says "I".

He's just begun and already in double digits.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at April 24, 2017 11:55 AM (HTdUD)

152 148 I have seen their version of "right wing" used for this type of report. White supremacists who espouse socialism are considered right wing.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW at April 24, 2017 11:55 AM (uhftQ)

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So...Nazis?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 11:55 AM (mC1ZI)

153 The Founding Fathers would be 'far-right terrorists' under this rubric.

From the PDF:

"Far right violent extremist attackers are characterized by ECDB as having beliefs that include some or all of the following:

. Fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation);

. Anti-global;

. Suspicious of centralized federal authority;

. Reverent of individual liberty (especially right to own guns; be free of taxes);

. Belief in conspiracy theories that involve a grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty;

. Belief that one's personal and/or national "way of life" is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent; and

. Belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in or supporting the need for paramilitary preparations and training or
survivalism."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 24, 2017 11:55 AM (GgzGa)

154 147 Here's a good one "white supremacist inmate killed his african american cellmate"

That's a "terrorist " attack?

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 11:55 AM (O2RFr)

155 Well....

Far right wing? There were those Militia members who took over the bird sanctuary... and it led to the Death of...

oh... wait... that was Federal Agents killing a guy who was trying to go talk to the local Sheriff...

But I'm sure its on the list...

Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at April 24, 2017 11:55 AM (NgKpN)

156 here's another act of "ring wing terrorism" that made the list -- "Anti-government Sovereign Citizen murdered
abortion provider Dr. George Tiller"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2017 11:56 AM (wmaTe)

157 >>>>>Notice how they conveniently start their data collection on 9/12/2001. Hmmm... I wonder why they would exclude the previous day?
.
.
.Hey....leave me outta this.

Posted by: Cherry Picked Data at April 24, 2017 11:56 AM (le7jz)

158 They expect us to believe this shit?

Riiiiiiiiight

Posted by: Yo! at April 24, 2017 11:56 AM (GwIKd)

159 IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE GAO IS ALSO A CITY ON THE NIGER RIVER IN MALI.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at April 24, 2017 11:56 AM (ymRuQ)

160
#FakeNews

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2017 11:56 AM (ZO497)

161 We could end the islamic bullshit tomorrow--turn mecca into a glass field.

Let the world hate us, but the moslums would be done.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 24, 2017 11:56 AM (ZQpd0)

162 That's a "terrorist " attack?
Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 11:55 AM (O2RFr

Yes, that is a "terrorist attack."

Two inmates fighting and one dies, and it's a terrorist attack.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2017 11:56 AM (wmaTe)

163 153 . The Founding Fathers would be 'far-right terrorists' under this rubric.

Anti-global;

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 24, 2017 11:55 AM (GgzGa)

=================

"We should ally with no foreign power."
-George Washington

^^^^^^^^^^^VIOLENT RIGHT WING EXTREMIST!!!^^^^^^^^

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 11:56 AM (mC1ZI)

164 The POS who ambushed & killed a PA state trooper.

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Eric Frein? Read wikipedia and nothing right wing about him. He liked military stuff....Good enuf!

Posted by: buzzsaw90 MS Statistics at April 24, 2017 11:56 AM (h/uSM)

165 The Nazi Party has hardly harmed anyone if we start counting in 1946.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at April 24, 2017 11:56 AM (rft/I)

166 THE NIGER RIVER

That's racist.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 24, 2017 11:57 AM (ul9CR)

167
stole this from insty, more Dem racism and misogyny:

http://tinyurl.com/n6ej3n7

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 24, 2017 11:57 AM (ODxAs)

168 142
>>How can there be only 23 deaths from "radical

Islam?" Didn't the Islamist who shot up the Florida nightclub kill at

least 30 or 40?

Exactly.

Ft. Hood = 13 killed, 30 wounded
San Bernardino = 14 killed, 22 seriously wounded
Orlando Pulse shooting = 49 killed, 53 wounded
Chattanooga shooting = 5 killed, 3 wounded

Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 11:54 AM (NOIQH)

They're not counting the number killed in each 'incident....just the 'incidents'.

Posted by: Tami at April 24, 2017 11:57 AM (Enq6K)

169 OH, and of course this one makes the list:
"Anti-government survivalist extremist killed 3 at
Planned Parenthood clinic including a responding
police officer"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2017 11:57 AM (wmaTe)

170 They expect us to believe this shit?

Riiiiiiiiight
Posted by: Yo!
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Oh, not you, just the millions of people who will hear about via the three-letter networks.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2017 11:57 AM (ZO497)

171 "46 At least Jared Loughner didn't make the list as a right-winger."

No, but that random Amy Shumer movie shooter was. Despite the fact that his motivations seem to be entirely of the bat shit crazy sort.

Posted by: Lauren at April 24, 2017 11:58 AM (WyLb8)

172 ex president hussein. assclown to the world. i await his mumblings.

Here's one of the reasons I voted Trump: whatever the dog-eating crackhead vomits out, I want Trump to tweetstorm him a new asshole so painful even a case of amyl nitrate won't salve him.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 24, 2017 11:58 AM (X6fMO)

173 Obama being shown on Fox news right now. Still can't speak without that teleprompter.

Posted by: mallfly the expert at April 24, 2017 11:58 AM (b7fwp)

174 Well I call bullshit even in the US...I'd like to see the stats and who and how they claissified the Attacks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 11:58 AM (KlI/a)

175 Oh, not you, just the millions of people who will hear about via the three-letter networks

And it will be repeated Ad Naseum..

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 11:58 AM (O2RFr)

176 Boston Marathon bombing = 3 killed, hundreds wounded
Sept 2016 pipe bombs in NYC/NJ = 0 killed, 31 wounded
UC Merced stabbings = 4 wounded
Garland, TX attempted assassination = 0 killed (I don't count the terrorists)

Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 11:58 AM (NOIQH)

177 Okay, here's the GAO report:

http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

Now go ahead and validate all the 'white supremacist' stuff.

Posted by: JEM at April 24, 2017 11:40 AM (TppKb)

Look at the total deaths in the GAO report:

"right wing": 106

Moose limbs: 119

Posted by: Country Singer at April 24, 2017 11:59 AM (uiwCw)

178 Print this counter sign out and stake it in the ground:
--

I'm pretty sure putting up a counter sign is considered right wing terrorism, and if someone looks at it, it might hurt their feelings, which is murder in the eyes of the Left.

Posted by: shibumi at April 24, 2017 11:59 AM (FkAXz)

179 Obama being shown on Fox news right now. Still can't speak without that teleprompter.
Posted by: mallfly the expert at April 24, 2017 11:58 AM (b7fwp)

I'd rather sit on Hot Barb

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 11:59 AM (KlI/a)

180 I've been saying this for a while -- this is what makes all of the "terrorism" laws and stuff so dangerous.

When they government says "We need to spy on terrorists!!! Hoo rah!" and stuff like that -- who, exactly, do you think they're talking about?

Knowing that according to the government, the overwhelming majority of terrorists are "ring wing"?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2017 11:59 AM (wmaTe)

181 Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).

I question that statistic, even for the US. It sounds like bullshit to me: let them produce an accounting of the various terrorist attacks and we'll decide for ourselves.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2017 11:59 AM (SRKgf)

182 So, Obama is back from his 100 day vacation with the rich and famous and is all ready to fight for the poor and down trodden?

Posted by: IC at April 24, 2017 11:59 AM (a0IVu)

183 All those votes for Trump were right wing extremist terrorist acts.

Posted by: steevy at April 24, 2017 11:59 AM (r/0kC)

184 and since fucking when are Nazi's right wing?

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Since i said so.

Posted by: Joe Stalin at April 24, 2017 11:59 AM (h/uSM)

185 @shibumi
Our speech IS violence, after all.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 24, 2017 11:59 AM (zsHGH)

186 173: fox is not news. why the fuck put that dogshit eating, window licking, penis sipper on camera? imus booked up?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 24, 2017 12:00 PM (KP5rU)

187 Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).

Here's a handy little compilation of the doings of our dusky friends:

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2016

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2017 12:00 PM (SRKgf)

188 Well I call bullshit even in the US...I'd like to see the stats and who and how they claissified the Attacks
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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Well, there are two (compunded) interpretations. The GAO, and then Cato:
http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2017 12:00 PM (ZO497)

189 Most of the "right-wing" acts were done by mentally ill people, which fits the liberal view of the right. Therefore, the report is technically correct according to the left.

Posted by: Chicago Vota at April 24, 2017 12:00 PM (OC/e1)

190 162 That's a "terrorist " attack?
Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 11:55 AM (O2RFr

Yes, that is a "terrorist attack."

Two inmates fighting and one dies, and it's a terrorist attack.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2017 11:56 AM (wmaTe)

They had to do some truly bendy backbends to claim inmate violence as terrorism. I'm guessing they don't really understand what the definition is, or they are willfully ignoring it in order to prove their own wishful thinking.

Bad form, GAO, bad form.

Posted by: moki at April 24, 2017 12:01 PM (V+V48)

191 174 Well I call bullshit even in the US...I'd like to see the stats and who and how they claissified the Attacks
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 11:58 AM (KlI/a)

It's all in the report circa page 29, and the overwhelming number of incidents are 1 murderer and 1 murderee.

But the govt classifies the murderer as "skinhead" or "neo-nazi" or "white supremacist."

Thus a terrorist attack.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2017 12:01 PM (wmaTe)

192 "Anti-government "constitutionalist" killed 2 in standoff over land"

Posted by: Lauren at April 24, 2017 12:01 PM (WyLb8)

193 More pointy heads in ivory towers cherry-picking the data.

Posted by: Fritz at April 24, 2017 12:01 PM (2Mnv1)

194 156 here's another act of "ring wing terrorism" that made the list -- "Anti-government Sovereign Citizen murdered
abortion provider Dr. George Tiller"

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Why didn't i make the list?

Posted by: Kermit Gosnell at April 24, 2017 12:01 PM (h/uSM)

195 182 So, Obama is back from his 100 day vacation with the rich and famous and is all ready to fight for the poor and down trodden?

As President his was always fighting for those groups... He made sure they stayed poor and down trodden....

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 12:01 PM (O2RFr)

196 Well I call bullshit even in the US...I'd like to see the stats and who and how they claissified the Attacks
Posted by: Nevergiveup
--------

Well, there are two (compunded) interpretations. The GAO, and then Cato:
http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2017 12:00 PM (ZO497)

What right wing mass killings/hate crimes have there been?
I must have missed them?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 12:01 PM (KlI/a)

197
They had to do some truly bendy backbends to claim inmate violence as terrorism. I'm guessing they don't really understand what the definition is, or they are willfully ignoring it in order to prove their own wishful thinking.

Bad form, GAO, bad form.
Posted by: moki at April 24, 2017 12:01 PM (V+V4

I suppose it could just be ignorance, sure...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2017 12:01 PM (wmaTe)

198 >>They're not counting the number killed in each 'incident....just the 'incidents'.

That's my point.
If you reduce it to incidents, then *1* 9/11 or Pulse massacre = a "right-wing" attack where 1 person is killed. Counting incidents, instead of killed/wounded intentionally dilutes the hideousness of the terror attacks that have happened on US soil.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 12:01 PM (NOIQH)

199 I'd love to see a break down of "right wing killings" because I don;t buy that number, but I will concede that it is stupid to have a vast surveillance state in this country or to go around the globe engaging in trillion dollar wars when the actual death count annually from terrorism is like a single bad weekend in Chicago.

Posted by: Maritime at April 24, 2017 12:01 PM (espai)

200
Would the MSM fawn over a speech by George Bush 100 days into Obama's first term?

This is pathetic.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at April 24, 2017 12:02 PM (HTdUD)

201 As Fredo is speaking to a group of brain dead leftists, PDT is doing the same thing to the UN Security council.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 24, 2017 12:02 PM (ymRuQ)

202 Incidents are listed in Appendix II. Most attributed to "right-wing" seem to be random murders due to an argument or possibly drunken brawl Very few planned out attacks meant to shock and terrify the public. They are labeling any murder committed by a right winger, militia member etc.. as a terror attack.

Fail.

Posted by: Ripley at April 24, 2017 12:02 PM (1BQGO)

203 since fucking when are Nazi's right wing?

Since Hitler attacked Russia, IIRC.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 24, 2017 12:02 PM (YEelc)

204 "Neo-Nazi killed sex-offender priest"

Posted by: Lauren at April 24, 2017 12:02 PM (WyLb8)

205 OH, and Communist / tax cheat Joseph Stack makes the list

"Anti-government violent extremist flew a small
plane into an Austin, TX office building with U.S.
Internal Revenue Service (IRS) office in it to
protest the IRS and the government"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2017 12:02 PM (wmaTe)

206 I'll try once more.

They are counting "incidents." Not deaths.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 24, 2017 12:03 PM (rF0hx)

207 200: don't watch. easy.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 24, 2017 12:03 PM (KP5rU)

208 165 The Nazi Party has hardly harmed anyone if we start counting in 1946.
Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at April 24, 2017 11:56 AM (rft/I)

New York City doesn't come out as the leader in lynchings of blacks if we start counting in 1864.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2017 12:03 PM (SRKgf)

209
Who wants to bet left nuts that they relied on the far left wing hate group southern poverty law center on the grouping of the "far right extremist" caused incidents?

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:03 PM (atojw)

210 201 As Fredo is speaking to a group of brain dead leftists, PDT is doing the same thing to the UN Security council.

Touche...

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 12:03 PM (O2RFr)

211 nood dogeater speech

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 24, 2017 12:03 PM (ul9CR)

212 Because Aryan prison gangs have such coherent political philosophies as to be labeled "right-wing".

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at April 24, 2017 12:03 PM (rft/I)

213 They are counting "incidents." Not deaths.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 24, 2017 12:03 PM (rF0hx)

Are they listing the "Incidents" I'd like to see that list?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 12:03 PM (KlI/a)

214 "Six white supremacist inmates beat another prisoner to death"

Posted by: Lauren at April 24, 2017 12:03 PM (WyLb8)

215 That's my point.
If you reduce it to incidents,
then *1* 9/11 or Pulse massacre = a "right-wing" attack where 1 person
is killed. Counting incidents, instead of killed/wounded intentionally
dilutes the hideousness of the terror attacks that have happened on US
soil.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 12:01 PM (NOIQH)

Yes, but that would eff up their narrative. They turned themselves into pretzels to get to these numbers....I mean, it was a full day's work for them! They're not going to screw it up reporting actual deaths.

Posted by: Tami at April 24, 2017 12:03 PM (Enq6K)

216 They are counting "incidents." Not deaths.

I said that way up above... Slow learners or something...

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 24, 2017 12:03 PM (O2RFr)

217 11 Kind of telling that their window opens up on 9/12, isn't it?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 24, 2017 11:34 AM (p+Wdc)

Also that they are counting "incidents." Sounds like they're a little squishy on the issue by avoiding the word "attacks."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2017 12:04 PM (SRKgf)

218
I thought CATO was a right leaning institution.

Kind of like the Chamber of Commerce.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2017 12:04 PM (IqV8l)

219 Appendix II lists all the cases they counted. They are ALL white supremacist or right-wing Nazi etc. Not a single case in Appendix II that I found mentioned left-wing extremist violence. They even mentioned white on black crime in prisons in their statistics. Seemingly a very flawed report. Here's an example: "White Supremacist shot and killed 6 co-workers at Lockheed Martin Plant." However, in the Wikipedia article that covers the murders, it downplays the racist angle, stating that the vast majority of injured were not black, but white.
Very shoddy work, but it fits the narrative so it must be quoted for the next umpteen years.

Posted by: Dax at April 24, 2017 12:04 PM (r0rZG)

220 "White supremacists murdered 2 immigrants in home invasion"

Posted by: Lauren at April 24, 2017 12:04 PM (WyLb8)

221 They are labeling any murder committed by a right winger, militia member etc.. as a terror attack.

Fail.
Posted by: Ripley at April 24, 2017 12:02 PM (1BQGO)

They're pulling shit directly out of their asses.

I'd like to see some proof that these people were "white supremacists," I'd like to hear an explanation on how that makes them "right wing," and I'd like to hear an explanation of how the victim of their murder was murdered due to the "ring wing" ideology, and how that was meant to inspire terror.

An inmate in a (I would guess) "white" prison gang killing his cellmate from a (I would guess) "black" prison gang hardly strikes me as "terrorism" much less "ring wing."

It was probably over a fucking tube of toothpaste or something, w ho knows?

Unbelievable.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2017 12:04 PM (wmaTe)

222 62 / 16 = 3.8 per year.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 24, 2017 11:37 AM (QQ+il)

When I look for the GAO report, the only one I can find is dated 2012. Is there something more recent?

Posted by: LASue, now even more deplorable! at April 24, 2017 12:05 PM (CLKfs)

223
Also, I guarantee that many muslim attacks aren't included in this, e.g. Ft Hood because the US govt officially declared it "workplace violence" NOT islamic extremism.

This is a load of Bullshit.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:05 PM (atojw)

224 Reading the GAO report there is zero evidence presented that any of the described "right-wing" killings had a political element to them, or that the perpetrators held specific political beliefs that can reasonably be described as right wing. Most of the incidents appear to be criminals committing racial (in the case of the prison gang Aryan Brotherhood) or weirdly sexual (for example, killing transgendered or gay people).

How does the GAO get away with such sloppy rhetoric?

Posted by: Planned Parenthood at April 24, 2017 12:05 PM (X4ZNp)

225 208 165 The Nazi Party has hardly harmed anyone if we start counting in 1946.
Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at April 24, 2017 11:56 AM (rft/I)

New York City doesn't come out as the leader in lynchings of blacks if we start counting in 1864.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2017 12:03 PM (SRKgf)

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If this is a kosher tactic, then, the United States hasn't allowed slavery since 1865 and any talk about it it moot.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 12:05 PM (mC1ZI)

226 "White supremacist murdered his stepfather to gain "street cred"

Posted by: Lauren at April 24, 2017 12:05 PM (WyLb8)

227 212 Because Aryan prison gangs have such coherent political philosophies as to be labeled "right-wing".
Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at April 24, 2017 12:03 PM (rft/I)

Fortunately there are no black or Muslim gangs in prison. There are social clubs, perhaps, but they're totally benign.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2017 12:05 PM (SRKgf)

228 Hmmmm. They used three different computer models to run their data. And they have 37 "unknown" data sets in their computation model and some received "0" news coverage. Not sure how you can measure news coverage for events that never received any news coverage. Must be Common Core math.

I have no idea how you can quantify an unknown case with zero media coverage into anything coherent.

This whole thing smells fishy to me.

Posted by: The Great White Sctosman at April 24, 2017 12:06 PM (le7jz)

229 218
I thought CATO was a right leaning institution.

Kind of like the Chamber of Commerce.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2017 12:04 PM (IqV8l)

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They're libertarian.

They hate everyone and are useful allies for whoever is out of power.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 12:06 PM (mC1ZI)

230 These stats are as meaningless as the stat where "you are more likely to win the lottery than die in a terror attack."

Except...one is a voluntary action (e.g.,I have 0.00% chance winning if I don't play) and the other is perpetrated on innocents who are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The ones controlling the latter are not the victims, but the people who allow the terrorists into the country in the first place and/or fail at stopping them (such as the Boston Marathon bombers) once they are known.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 12:06 PM (NOIQH)

231 225 208 165 The Nazi Party has hardly harmed anyone if we start counting in 1946.
Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at April 24, 2017 11:56 AM (rft/I)

New York City doesn't come out as the leader in lynchings of blacks if we start counting in 1864.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2017 12:03 PM (SRKgf)

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If this is a kosher tactic, then, the United States hasn't allowed slavery since 1865 and any talk about it it moot.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 12:05 PM (mC1ZI)

Hey, the Cubs have won the World Series year since 2016. Let someone else win for a change!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2017 12:06 PM (SRKgf)

232
153 The Founding Fathers would be 'far-right terrorists' under this rubric.
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It's about damned time.

Posted by: Zombie George III at April 24, 2017 12:06 PM (vg8iE)

233 135 and since fucking when are Nazi's right wing?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2017 11:53 AM (wmaTe)

Since the commies ("international") labelled Hitler and Mussolini ("national") right-wing.
Yeah, I know.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at April 24, 2017 12:06 PM (tHwdc)

234 >How can there be only 23 deaths from "radical

Islam?" Didn't the Islamist who shot up the Florida nightclub kill at

least 30 or 40?

144:
Exactly.

Ft. Hood = 13 killed, 30 wounded
San Bernardino = 14 killed, 22 seriously wounded
Orlando Pulse shooting = 49 killed, 53 wounded
Chattanooga shooting = 5 killed, 3 wounded

Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 11:54 AM (NOIQH)

Conveniently excluded if the study ends in 2012.

WHERE ARE THE DATA?!?

Posted by: LASue, now even more deplorable! at April 24, 2017 12:07 PM (CLKfs)

235 Stats start on pp 34

Posted by: Art2GEcko at April 24, 2017 12:07 PM (KpsAx)

236
And this is why our shitty government balks at calling anything terrorism -- so they can skew the statistics to Lie to The People.

Are ALL the "lone wolf" mass shootings included here? I doubt it very much.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:07 PM (atojw)

237 "Far right violent extremist attackers are characterized by ECDB as having beliefs that include some or all of the following:

. Fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation);

. Anti-global;

. Suspicious of centralized federal authority;

. Reverent of individual liberty (especially right to own guns; be free of taxes);

So, our Founding Fathers, according to GAO, were right-wing extremists.

Posted by: V the K at April 24, 2017 12:07 PM (O7MnT)

238 whoops..
http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

Posted by: Art2GEcko at April 24, 2017 12:08 PM (KpsAx)

239 Shockingly, they do list Ft Hood as terrorism.

Posted by: Lauren at April 24, 2017 12:08 PM (WyLb8)

240 CVE programs are a boondoggle for academics and burrocrats; what we need is a Constitutionally defined level of security threat and response.

People who have anti-American views (racism, leftism, islamism, facism, globalism) should be subject to surveillance and other measures (COINTELPRO), depending on the intensity of their rhetoric, the amount of violence caused by their group, and the depth of their connection/contact with other radicals.

Those threats have to be specifically defined (can't just CALL someone a commie, for instance), and there needs to be security courts to monitor the process.

Of course, this is all pie-in-the-sky wishcasting. The government and the security community are polluted with leftists, globalists, and other, lesser forms of rent-seekers.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at April 24, 2017 12:08 PM (swEzU)

241 These stats are as meaningless as the stat where "you are more likely to win the lottery than die in a terror attack."

That one drives me wild; it is so disingenuous. The point is not the absolute risk of dying in a terrorist attack, but rather than damage such attacks due to the social fabric. See, e.g., any airport departure area. Now imagine that process repeated for any public event: sports arenas, concerts, etc.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2017 12:08 PM (SRKgf)

242
Further more...

These are 85 "incidents" of varying death tolls.
The death toll of the Orlando and San Bernadino jihadi attacks were in the several dozen!!

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:09 PM (atojw)

243 How does the GAO get away with such sloppy rhetoric?
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Because it's whatever the fuck we say it is and what the fuck are YOU going to do about it anyway??

Posted by: The GAO at April 24, 2017 12:09 PM (vg8iE)

244 My takeaway is that there is a hell of a lot of housecleaning to be done at the GAO.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at April 24, 2017 12:09 PM (yL25O)

245 Remember, if these government statistics were from the last eight years, federal agencies have been downplaying and even whitewashing Muslim terrorism as a matter of policy. Hence the term "violent extremism".

In other words, the government's numbers are no more believable than their unemployment numbers.

Posted by: rickl at April 24, 2017 12:09 PM (xjiRE)

246 Kind of like the Chamber of Commerce.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2017 12:04 PM (IqV8l)

Like the juicebox crowd at "Reason" (sic) Magazine, they at CATO won't admit that the liberty they claim to love depends upon having national sovereignty.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 24, 2017 12:09 PM (ujg0T)

247
182 So, Obama is back from his 100 day vacation with the rich and famous and is all ready to fight for the poor and down trodden?

Spending a week secluded on a 200 million yacht really helps you to focus your mind on the poor and trodden

Posted by: Deplrable Male Logic at April 24, 2017 12:10 PM (lKyWE)

248 I see Amy Schumer "weighed" in.

Sock off.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 24, 2017 12:10 PM (yL25O)

249 The stat isn't accurate. If you look at the ones they call "right wing" they include some nazi wannabes. Nazis are left wing, one jump short of communism. They aren't "right" at all. So bullshit.

Posted by: dagny at April 24, 2017 12:10 PM (Mc+44)

250
Finally, I Guarandamntee you that jared loughner, dylan roof, and newtown school shooting are included in the "far right extremist" column when only one, arguably, had anything to do with politics.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:11 PM (atojw)

251 Cato the Younger lost to Caesar for a reason.

Time and again he could have been practical and saved the Republic, but instead he had his personal principals.

I understand why people admired him, including many of our founding fathers, but those same founders also did not make the same mistakes he made either.

Posted by: William Eaton at April 24, 2017 12:11 PM (MuTTO)

252 So was the Grapevine shooting of the Islamic attackers counted as an incident started by the right that ended in death?

Posted by: TexasDan at April 24, 2017 12:12 PM (yL25O)

253 And yes, they are counting random mass shooters as right wing, of course.

This 4-chan 4ever alone loser

"White supremacist shot and killed 9 at his community college"

But, weird, speaking of college killers, they don't list the Muzzie who went on the knife attack.

Posted by: Lauren at April 24, 2017 12:12 PM (WyLb8)

254 I see that the Democrats' new slogan is 'Come Together'. I 'm sure you all know what I'm about to say (hint: Ron Jeremy)

Posted by: mallfly the expert at April 24, 2017 12:12 PM (b7fwp)

255 >>In other words, the government's numbers are no more believable than their unemployment numbers.

None of the Obama-era numbers are believable.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 12:12 PM (NOIQH)

256 246 Kind of like the Chamber of Commerce.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2017 12:04 PM (IqV8l)

Like the juicebox crowd at "Reason" (sic) Magazine, they at CATO won't admit that the liberty they claim to love depends upon having national sovereignty.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 24, 2017 12:09 PM (ujg0T)

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They're also infected by this desire to not piss off Democrats too much, but have little compunction over looking down on Republicans.

I honestly believe that if a Libertarian from another dimension were to come to us, read the platforms of both parties and observe the rhetoric and actions of both parties in practice, that Libertarian would see Republicans as closer to the Libertarian ideal than Democrats. Neither are libertarian, but Republicans are closer.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 12:12 PM (mC1ZI)

257 Clicked through to the "report" from the GAO.

I notice that the "Right wing extremists" generally have a single murder.

And a lot of them occur to homeless people or to prisoners. (As in, actually a murder in the prison.)

While the Islamic attacks tend to be multiple murders by the same person.

Hmmm... a low level threat that seems almost indistinguishable from "normal" murders vs. a threat that seems to relish murdering multiple victims. The former, coming from an extremely large population versus the latter which comes from a tiny population.

Gee, I wonder why people have a greater fear of the violence from allowing in MORE of that relatively tiny population...?

Posted by: makatta at April 24, 2017 12:12 PM (Y7Qzg)

258 Let the media have their collective Obama-induced orgasm. It doesn't matter. No one else gives a shit and the country has moved on....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 24, 2017 12:12 PM (7uYFy)

259 Finally, I Guarandamntee you that jared loughner, dylan roof, and newtown school shooting are included in the "far right extremist" column when only one, arguably, had anything to do with politics.
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I'm not bothering to look at this tripe of a report since I've only got a limited amount of time on this earth and I'm not getting any younger, but, I would say they lump ALL school shootings as "right wing extremism."

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 24, 2017 12:12 PM (vg8iE)

260 A lot of the "right-wing terrorist" attacks seem to be by white prisoners against non-white prisoners.

Apparently non-white prisoners never attack white prisoners. Of course, using that metric we'd probably have to conclude that African-Americans were the greatest terrorist threat, a notion which would be universally ridiculed.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at April 24, 2017 12:12 PM (rft/I)

261 Spending a week secluded on a 200 million yacht really helps you to focus your mind on the poor and trodden
Posted by: Deplrable Male Logic at April 24, 2017 12:10 PM (lKyWE)

You can't really speak to the gulf between rich and poor unless you've lived it, man.

He was just getting cred on the rich side of the equation.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 24, 2017 12:13 PM (yL25O)

262
Lest we forget the Ohio State killer, a muslim jihadi who our shitty govt told us had nothing to do with islamic terrorism.

Cato and GAO can go horsefuck.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:14 PM (atojw)

263 Per Capita for the win!

Posted by: Abdul Mohammed Mohammedan at April 24, 2017 12:15 PM (j1Wvr)

264 224 Reading the GAO report there is zero evidence presented that any of the described "right-wing" killings had a political element to them, or that the perpetrators held specific political beliefs that can reasonably be described as right wing. Most of the incidents appear to be criminals committing racial (in the case of the prison gang Aryan Brotherhood) or weirdly sexual (for example, killing transgendered or gay people).

How does the GAO get away with such sloppy rhetoric?
Posted by: Planned Parenthood at April 24, 2017 12:05 PM (X4ZNp)

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Because they call themselves an "institute". See, it says so right on their letterhead. It means they're smarter, more informed, and nuanced than we are.

Look at their letterhead. It really looks official and stuff.

Posted by: Soona at April 24, 2017 12:15 PM (Fmupd)

265 Cato famously ended all his speeches with, "Rome must welcome Carthaginian refugees!"

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at April 24, 2017 12:15 PM (rft/I)

266 They're libertarian.

They hate everyone and are useful allies for whoever is out of power.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 12:06 PM (mC1ZI)

Ah, libertarianism. The political philosophy of late adolescents.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2017 12:15 PM (SRKgf)

267 265 Cato famously ended all his speeches with, "Rome must welcome Carthaginian refugees!"
Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at April 24, 2017 12:15 PM (rft/I)

They've come so far, with elephants and stuff over mountains.

There's no way they can make it back.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 24, 2017 12:16 PM (yL25O)

268 Because they call themselves an "institute". See, it says so right on their letterhead. It means they're smarter, more informed, and nuanced than we are.

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Yeah, it's an institute in the same way the Ohio State Reformatory was an institute.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 24, 2017 12:16 PM (vg8iE)

269 One of the many annoying features of this "violent extremist" incident counting is that they completely ignore the denominator. If there are 62 incidents involving white right wingers out of a denominator of 150 million, I think it's a bit less significant than 23 incidents involving muslims out of a denominator of a few million.

Posted by: PJ at April 24, 2017 12:17 PM (E49yS)

270 I notice that the "Right wing extremists" generally have a single murder.

And a lot of them occur to homeless people or to prisoners. (As in, actually a murder in the prison.)

While the Islamic attacks tend to be multiple murders by the same person.

Hmmm... a low level threat that seems almost indistinguishable from "normal" murders vs. a threat that seems to relish murdering multiple victims. The former, coming from an extremely large population versus the latter which comes from a tiny population.

Gee, I wonder why people have a greater fear of the violence from allowing in MORE of that relatively tiny population...?
Posted by: makatta at April 24, 2017 12:12 PM (Y7Qzg)

The should count every single black-on-black shooting-whether or not it ends as murder--as a "left-wing" incident. After all, these shootings occur in left-wing cities and blacks always vote for left-wing Democrats...

Posted by: JoeF. at April 24, 2017 12:17 PM (7uYFy)

271 266 They're libertarian.

They hate everyone and are useful allies for whoever is out of power.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 12:06 PM (mC1ZI)

Ah, libertarianism. The political philosophy of late adolescents.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2017 12:15 PM (SRKgf)

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Libertarianism can be a mature ideology. I'd hold up Milton Friedman as a good example of someone who could do it well.

The problem is that most people don't put as much thought into that philosophy as Friedman did. Today's LP is dominated by the weed crowd, and it's extremely detrimental to them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 24, 2017 12:17 PM (mC1ZI)

272 97% of climate scientists agree.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2017 12:17 PM (IqV8l)

273 The should count every single black-on-black shooting-whether or not it ends as murder--as a "left-wing" incident. After all, these shootings occur in left-wing cities and blacks always vote for left-wing Democrats...
Posted by: JoeF. at April 24, 2017 12:17 PM (7uYFy)

That would involve math.

They can count to 82 if everyone in the conference room takes off their shoes.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 24, 2017 12:18 PM (yL25O)

274 Cato was better when he worked for the Green Hornet.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2017 12:19 PM (IqV8l)

275 Cato was better when he worked for the Green Hornet.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2017 12:19 PM (IqV8l)

And hung out with O.J. Simpson

Posted by: JoeF. at April 24, 2017 12:20 PM (7uYFy)

276 274 Cato was better when he worked for the Green Hornet.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2017 12:19 PM (IqV8l)

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I thought he was OJ Simpson's pool boy.

Posted by: Soona at April 24, 2017 12:20 PM (Fmupd)

277 Key phrase -- 'since September 12, 2001'

Add that date in and there is no contest in body count. This is how mutual funds slant their annual returns. Leave out the period of time with the worst return.

Also, did they include 'workplace violence' in their calculations?

Posted by: NoBS at April 24, 2017 12:21 PM (0xXdZ)

278 CATO, like so many libertarians, is for open borders. For them, "Immigration is good" is an unshakable article of faith, so they push anything that furthers that belief.

Needless to say, immigration can be good or bad or indifferent, depending entirely on the immigrants in question.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at April 24, 2017 12:22 PM (rft/I)

279 >>One of the many annoying features of this "violent extremist" incident
counting is that they completely ignore the denominator. If there are 62
incidents involving white right wingers out of a denominator of 150
million, I think it's a bit less significant than 23 incidents involving
muslims out of a denominator of a few million.

Another excellent point!

Like in Germany or Sweden, where the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by the immigrants/refugees, who are a smaller population than the respective citizen populations.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 12:23 PM (NOIQH)

280 If you read the source GAO report, you can easily see how full of crap it is. First, any incident committed by a white "supremacist" is thrown into the mix. Prison gang issues, yep, just like Al Qaeda. The majority of the deaths, even using their retarded metric, are still due to Islamists (119 v. 106). It's in the same paragraph, but to make their lolbertarian point, CATO decided not to pay attention that. Here's the paragraph in full

Their excuse ignoring the death toll, I suppose, is that the Orlando shooting was an outlier. But was it? Where the right-wing attacks tend to be rather targeted (the average looks to be somewhere around 1-2, with a median value in the range of [maybe] 4), the Islamist average is going to be north of 10, with the median probably around 20. (As you can tell I'm spitballing here, but it seems pretty obvious) That is, while rightwing attacks tend to be individual targeted attacks, Islamist attacks are indiscriminate and designed to kill as many people as possible, so the Orlando attack isn't a so much an outlier as it is an unusually successful example (from the POV of the attackers).

NOW, factor in the number of Muslims we have in our population vs. the number of whites we have. All of a sudden those Islamist numbers start getting more problematic, as the kids might say. This is particularly true since we're importing more and more each year. If we double our population of Muslims, we could be looking at Muslims possibly overtaking those evil righties in absolute numbers, not just relative numbers.

TL;DR: CATO delenda est.

Posted by: Schaeffer at April 24, 2017 12:23 PM (feVaV)

281 276 274 Cato was better when he worked for the Green Hornet.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2017 12:19 PM (IqV8l)

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I thought he was OJ Simpson's pool boy.
Posted by: Soona at April 24, 2017 12:20 PM (Fmupd)

He was Inspector Clousseau's houseboy / judo trainer

Posted by: josephistan at April 24, 2017 12:24 PM (7HtZB)

282 Knowing that according to the government, the overwhelming majority of terrorists are "ring wing"?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2017 11:59 AM (wmaTe)

"Ring Wing"? You mean the Gay Panthers?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2017 12:24 PM (0deF2)

283 >>Key phrase -- 'since September 12, 2001'

Why did they even bother excluded that, given that it would only count a 1 incident?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 12:25 PM (NOIQH)

284 Why did they even bother excluded that, given that it would only count a 1 incident?
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Don't worry, in their addled minds, they probably think of it more as a "misunderstanding."

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 24, 2017 12:26 PM (vg8iE)

285 Numbers are clearly fairytales since 49 killed at Pulse nightclub alone.

Ah. If it's just "number of incidents," why not just include 9/11/01? That would add, what? 1 more? Maybe 4 more?

Posted by: gm at April 24, 2017 12:26 PM (klDIs)

286 No mention at all of BLM murders of police across the country in the GAO report

Posted by: Grad School Fool at April 24, 2017 12:27 PM (swEzU)

287 >>>Finally, I Guarandamntee you that jared loughner, dylan roof, and newtown school shooting are included in the "far right extremist" column when only one, arguably, had anything to do with politics.

Your guarandamntee is no good!

Only Roof is in there. As a white supremacist. Which he was.

No more guarandamntees for you!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 24, 2017 12:27 PM (wwx8e)

288 When terrorists in the US kill 10, 20, 40 (e.g. San Bernadino, Ft. Hood, FL gay club) then those are "one incident" events. But a white Hispanic shivs a guy in prison, also one far right guy I suppose.

Elsewhere someone pointed out the Aryan Brotherhood does murder for hire, even for Mexican cartels. I bet they count all those as "extreme right" even though they are an apolitical gang.

But I haven't studied their stats. Iran supports terror and having enclaves of terror cells in the US is a threat. We know CAIR supports terror, and the Muslim Brotherhood was active in the Obama admin' and he gave them money and opportunity to build their nukes.

Just who are these guys ... why so intent on blowing up Western culture? Who funds CATO again? Globalists I presume.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 24, 2017 12:28 PM (TmCOq)

289 Remember when Islamists detonate a nuclear bomb in a major American city and kill a million people, that will only count as one "incident".

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at April 24, 2017 12:29 PM (rft/I)

290 I don't know from math and statistics, but after reading Bibi's Sunday's speech on Holocaust Remembrance Day, I think bombing Iran to smithereens is a good an noble idea.

Posted by: runner at April 24, 2017 12:29 PM (g7ZqM)

291 They listed prison violence by white supremacist gangs as "terrorist attacks". That jacks up the numbers considerably but is utterly false and deliberately misleading. That's like saying every attack by a Muslim is a terrorist act, when some are just crimes.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 12:29 PM (39g3+)

292
I like CATO best as ninetails.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 24, 2017 12:30 PM (8XRCm)

293 The full paragraph is on the GAO report, Page 3, last paragraph.

Posted by: Schaeffer at April 24, 2017 12:30 PM (feVaV)

294 Hey.... now lets do a study of LEFT Wing violence, as compared to Moslem Violence...

You know... to get a little better picture of what is going on?

Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at April 24, 2017 12:30 PM (NgKpN)

295 Obama gave Iran money and opportunity to build nukes I meant. The Muslim Brotherhood ... not sure why they went along with that except Sunni Shia seem to agree on destroying Big Satan US, even if they also fight each other.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 24, 2017 12:32 PM (TmCOq)

296 Is this the study that claims that gang shootings are right wing terror?

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 24, 2017 12:34 PM (mf5HN)

297 One need only look at the descriptions of the incidents in the "report" to know that it was likely penned by the SPLC.

Posted by: Doug T at April 24, 2017 12:34 PM (hEF/R)

298 SPLC was one of their sources, yes. Which means the entire study is trash.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 12:35 PM (39g3+)

299 Today's LP is dominated by the weed crowd, and it's extremely detrimental to them.
***
In the 90s, the LP decided to reach out to out to the Dopetarian segment.

In one sense this worked brilliant - many, many Dopetarians are now LPers. In the larger sense it failed though, since they didn't change their views on other issues.

It is not unusual today to find "libertarians" that want hate crime laws, draconian environmental restrictions, and a ban on gun ownership....but legalized pot.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2017 12:35 PM (eSx+E)

300 There is a HUGE difference between someone committing viollence or a crime in the name of Islam for Idiological reasons

&

A crime being committed for the sake of crime/profit no matter what the political leanings of the crook is.

Apples and Oranges

And fucked up Left wing logic

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 24, 2017 12:36 PM (KlI/a)

301 Isn't it odd that they'd use the SPLC as a source of data on "extremist violence" when the SPLC has been *documented* to be the cause of at least one "extremist violence" crime?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2017 12:37 PM (eSx+E)

302 I wouldn't consider this anything to crow about if one were planning to use it to show Islamic extremism isn't a problem.

62 incidents of right wing extremism killed 106 people.

23 incidents of Islamic extremism killed 119 people. As someone pointed out, if you start the time frame one day earlier, that number is 3096.

If anything, the report shows us that Islamic extremists are vastly more efficient at killing than right wing extremists.

Posted by: False Profiteer at April 24, 2017 12:37 PM (zA+hd)

303 >>SPLC was one of their sources, yes. Which means the entire study is trash.

Oh, for Pete's sake!
Trump needs to get SPLC out of any government statistics.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 12:37 PM (NOIQH)

304 Fun point to consider...if Herman Cain had won the nomination and the presidency in 2016 would white supremacists still be "right wing"?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2017 12:38 PM (eSx+E)

305 Isn't CATO the "libertarian" organization that had one of their leaders come out and endorse Obamacare?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2017 12:39 PM (eSx+E)

306 And racial minorities in the US are responsible for the vast majority of violent crimes.
So if Science (TM) tells us to be especially careful of right-wingers, pray tell what does it have to tell us about racial profiling?

Posted by: xnycpeasant at April 24, 2017 12:40 PM (QtQaN)

307
SPLC was one of their sources, yes.

Alright, time to fork over all your left nuts!!

I told you all this was the case -- Do Not Doubt Me, Ever.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:41 PM (QjPR0)

308 >>62 incidents of right wing extremism killed 106 people.

>>23 incidents of Islamic extremism killed 119 people. As someone
pointed out, if you start the time frame one day earlier, that number is
3096.

Not only that, but factor in the number of wounded in each incident and it just gets worse. For example, 1 incident, the Boston Marathon bombing, wounded hundreds, 16 of whom lost limbs. Another incident, the Pulse shooting, wounded 53.

It is mind-boggling they would attempt to pretend that one guy getting shivved in prison is on par with a mass shooting/slashing/bombing.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 12:41 PM (NOIQH)

309 I am so stealing "lolbertarian".

Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at April 24, 2017 12:41 PM (fLMbU)

310 couple of things make this packet of lies work for the GAO. one or a hundred, each event counts as ONE. the other is, any death that is not domestic violence (they knew each other) is right wing. unknown reason, not a muslim, must be right wing. there are no lefty hating murderers there, although I remember (and recognize) a few that I classified as lefties. the right wing group is a huge bundle of reasons.

Posted by: arbitrary turn back at April 24, 2017 12:41 PM (8RQER)

311 62 incidents of right wing extremism killed 106 people.

and "right wing extremism" includes prison gangs and people who have zero political motivation or connection. It also ignores left wing extremism and the crimes and violence from them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 12:41 PM (39g3+)

312 Nood. Jugears' Iran deal. Very, very gray...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 24, 2017 12:42 PM (p+Wdc)

313 "SPLC was one of their sources, yes.;

That was first thing I though when I looked at the incidents. But I don't see them referenced anywhere.

Posted by: Ripley at April 24, 2017 12:43 PM (1BQGO)

314
Okay, and deaths by American drunk drivers are far more than deaths caused by illegals.

But SO FUCKING WHAT??

Those are lives who were taken away, nonetheless, because of shitty govt policy. Tell the families of the victims that illegals don't kill as many Americans as Americans do.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 24, 2017 12:45 PM (QjPR0)

315 Now I see the updated report.

As others have pointed out, there are a lot of "incidents" included on the "far right wing" side that seem to have little or nothing to do with ideology. If those are included, I question why similar "racial" events in prisons where Muslim brotherhood and other black gangs kill white inmates are not included.

Also missing is the recent Facebook torture of the disabled white kid in Chicago, which also seems relevant to the discussion.

Anyway, the more relevant metric is number of people killed and maimed (the 264 injured and permanently maimed are excluded from the boston marathon bombing description) , not the number of "incidents."

Posted by: LASue, now even more deplorable! at April 24, 2017 12:48 PM (CLKfs)

316 When, exactly, did the Cato Institute morph into the Brookings Institute?

Posted by: West at April 24, 2017 12:49 PM (1Rgee)

317 The quotation is "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli

Posted by: Locke Common at April 24, 2017 12:49 PM (uYg2X)

318 It is mind-boggling they would attempt to pretend that one guy getting shivved in prison is on par with a mass shooting/slashing/bombing.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 12:41 PM (NOIQH)

Well said!

Posted by: LASue, now even more deplorable! at April 24, 2017 12:50 PM (CLKfs)

319 "Incidents are listed beginning on page 29 (page 34 in the Adobe reader).

"

And just as I said, it includes blatantly left wing violence listed as "right wing".

It also lists a ton of prison violence which gets all the eye rolls
in the world, and things that were schizophrenic, not political, in
nature ala Tiller.

Posted by: Lauren at April 24, 2017 11:48 AM (WyLb

It also labels garden variety violent crime (individual murders or murder/robberies mostly) as "violent extremism" which is then conflated with terrorism. If you remove all of those incidents, the majority of incidents left are Islamic terrorism.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 12:52 PM (geAkB)

320 Interesting methodology, IOW They counted things differently depending.

The two meth head loonies that killed the two cops in a Las Vegas Wendys and then killed another man next store in a Walmart are seperate incidents. The ten DC area sniper attacks are all one big incident even though they occurred in different cities and at different times.

Posted by: rd at April 24, 2017 12:58 PM (iT57s)

321 The report is a complete load of bollocks.

Obviously missing:
The Pulse night club shooting - 49 dead

And quite possibly:
Nidal Hasan- 13 dead
The Dallas sniper- 5 dead

Posted by: Darth Randall at April 24, 2017 12:59 PM (6n332)

322 t is mind-boggling they would attempt to pretend that one guy getting
shivved in prison is on par with a mass shooting/slashing/bombing.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2017 12:41 PM (NOIQH)

Also, they seem to be saying that any crime committed with what the presume is hate in the criminal's heart is "violent extremism" a.k.a. terrorism. For instance, the list a standoff over land rights in the west where two people got killed as an example of "far-right wing violent extremism".

Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:00 PM (geAkB)

323 Who wrote that GAO report? Michael Moore?

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 01:05 PM (Z9mio)

324
For those of you who like to squeak at W, it was because of his unrelenting effort through 8 years that al qaeda was reduced to near impotence.

Then Obama can be thanked for the slow, steady dismantling of our effort in the War on Terror.

Perhaps the pendulum is starting it's swing back now with Trump's election--one hopes.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 24, 2017 01:05 PM (S/hVx)

325 >September 11th would have counted as one incident

And yet they still start on September 12.

Fuck them and their political bullshit. That right there is enough to show they can't be taken seriously.

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 24, 2017 01:07 PM (gTQoY)

326 323 Who wrote that GAO report? Michael Moore?
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 24, 2017 01:05 PM (Z9mio)

Howard Zinn.

Posted by: West at April 24, 2017 01:07 PM (1Rgee)

327
Oh--fuck that "report" the GAO shat forth, also.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 24, 2017 01:07 PM (S/hVx)

328
"Incidents are listed beginning on page 29 (page 34 in the Adobe reader).

"

And just as I said, it includes blatantly left wing violence listed as "right wing".

It also lists a ton of prison violence which gets all the eye rolls
in the world, and things that were schizophrenic, not political, in nature ala Tiller.

Posted by: Lauren at April 24, 2017 11:48 AM (WyLb

It also labels garden variety violent crime (individual murders or murder/robberies mostly) as "violent extremism" which is then conflated with terrorism. If you remove all of those incidents, the majority of incidents left are Islamic terrorism.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 12:52 PM (

---------------

I think they included anyone that someone ever heard say the N*word.

Note they count Neo Nazi prison fighting and murder.

No African American Nation of Islam fights and murders??????? Amazing!

Not La Raza or Mexican Mafia fights and murders.
Or Black Guerilla Army, Crips, Bloods, and the like fights and murders?

These are all racist separatist groups. But THESE GROUPS don't count!

Posted by: rd at April 24, 2017 01:08 PM (iT57s)

329 The database that the report was taken from also the PP shooter in Colorado springs and the shooter at a community college in Oregon as being right wing extremists when they were nothing but crazy.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 24, 2017 01:12 PM (geAkB)

330

For those of you who like to squeak at W, it was because of his unrelenting effort through 8 years that al qaeda was reduced to near impotence.

Then Obama can be thanked for the slow, steady dismantling of our effort in the War on Terror.

Perhaps the pendulum is starting it's swing back now with Trump's election--one hopes.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 24, 2017 01:05 PM (S/hVx)

We have lost a lot of ground. Worse, we have lost a lot of actual and potential allies.

Personally, if I lived anywhere and the US Government asked me to help, I would tell them to go f--- themselves. The US Government and its traitors and whistleblowers are likely to out you.

Worse, Idiots like Obama and his CIA hacks will out you and leave you twisting in the wind. Remember the Pakistani Doctor that helped us find Osama. Isn't he still rotting in a Pakistani Prison?

Posted by: rd at April 24, 2017 01:16 PM (iT57s)

331 I would sure like to know the definition they used for right wing extremists. Are some radical Muslims right wing?

Posted by: Buford Gooch at April 24, 2017 01:43 PM (bOtTO)

332 For those of you who like to squeak at W, it was because of his unrelenting effort through 8 years that al qaeda was reduced to near impotence.

I agree, there's plenty to complain about President Bush, but he did stomp the crap out of Islamic terrorism.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 24, 2017 01:43 PM (39g3+)

333 Frein was considered a RW because he was white, hated Cops, and liked the military.
Did they lump the black Dallas murderer of 5 cops on the right as well?

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at April 24, 2017 01:47 PM (0x/TW)

334 For those of you who like to squeak at W, it was because of his unrelenting effort through 8 years that al qaeda was reduced to near impotence.

It just came back under another name. You can cry that that was because of Obama, but shouldn't Dubya's efforts have been able to survive his foreseeable departure from office?

The fact is, while he was all in for guarding Iraq and Afghanistan's borders, he was shit when it came to guarding ours. After 9/11 he could have done something about immigration and border security, but, nope, that would conflict with "compassionate" conservatism, so we get Tsarnaev bros and other undesirables who have no business being in this country.

Posted by: Schaeffer at April 24, 2017 01:49 PM (feVaV)

335 I have the pdf and am looking to dedicate some time to running down the individual cases. But at first cut this piece is designed to validate the premise of the Obama admin that the Militia/skinheads are a monster threat and not Islam. We know this. They have been pointing to the Montana Militia types since Moses was a pup. The only problem for them being that those types did not commit crimes to validate narratives so they have to rebrand some skells as part of a larger whole. We know this: Every fecking hate crime that occurs where some white trash piece of shit kills someone , and yes the number of events should be zero, gets more airtime by several orders of magnitude than say your average abortion doctor who spent twenty years twisting the heads off babies that popped out alive into his charnel house. few things are certain in life. A zero probability of underreporting white on black hate crimes is one of those certainties. Take that to the bank. There is no tip of a hate iceberg that we were blissfully unaware of. Bullshit. What this piece also does is create the math. 3/4 of all hate crimes are done by whites. See! SEE!!! They are the bad guys. Paradigm shift stuff made up out of whole clothe. Missing of course is the inclusion of any assumed black on white hate crime. (Yes caps locked denotes crazy but I have no italics) I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS AN US VERSUS THEM ARGUMENT. That would be bullshit. I am trying to point out the exclusionary aspect in the denoninator that drives the 75% number. And finding it will not be easy. Example: several years back AP had a story about a dozen youths that beat the shit out of a kid at a playground. Several were filming it for posting on an " urban " website. The writer opined that they were probably kicking the shit out of him for his sneakers. BTW, no sneakers were actually taken. Vids came out of guys getting the shit kicked out of them in Baltimore and other places with racial epithets being hurled. And who can forget the Knockout Game aka Knockout the Jew? Doubtful the death of that guy made the list. In sum a wonderful narrative piece for the left. Nothing more. really suprised at Cato

Posted by: Mac at April 24, 2017 02:02 PM (fOoQ8)

336 Honesty, I trust the government about as far as I can throw it these days. I want to see the methodology of inclusion for each one of these incidents as a right wing extremist event. However, it's a big country and it's got a lot of people and if you average it out that's just around 4 events a year, so I think this is more of a count the number of nuts vs. the number of Muslims, and because of the low density of the Muslim population it looks good. Conduct the same study in Europe and see how it looks. Conduct the same study in the U.S. in 30 years, if there is a U.S. in 30 years, and see how it looks.

Posted by: DFCtomm at April 24, 2017 02:07 PM (50gG9)

337 For those of you who like to squeak at W, it was
because of his unrelenting effort through 8 years that al qaeda was
reduced to near impotence.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 24, 2017 01:05 PM (S/hVx)

I could get upset and argue with you as everybody else has, but the truth is there aren't enough of you to matter. There are fewer every day. You know how we know Bush was full of shit, and didn't give a damn about American security. There were more immigrants from the ME after 9/11 than before.

Posted by: DFCtomm at April 24, 2017 02:14 PM (50gG9)

338 Even if these statistics were true, it would still be a shocking indictment of Islam. Muslims make up about 1% of the U.S. population, but they're responsible for 27% of post 9/11 terror attacks?

The NY f'n times ran a chart like this comparing absolut numbers, and it was deceptive then, too.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at April 24, 2017 02:30 PM (Pm+ry)

339 Take this study at face value and weigh the stats proportionately. Muslims are less than 1% of the pop vs. what, 30- 40% right wingers? Imagine their carnage when they reach 5%.

Posted by: Gb at April 24, 2017 02:30 PM (kqIlU)

340 look in the back of the study and you'll find the criteria they use to determine right wing extremism and, spoiler alert, most here are indeed right wing extremists. Some how they then make a logic leap and attach racism on at the end, even though it isn't listed in the criteria. It's just assumed that if your racist then you're a right winger.

They then list each event in the study and give a brief description. Most of them are racially motivated, and don't fit the criteria. It looks like only about 17 events were legitimate inclusions, according to their own criteria. That gives you a true right wing extremist event average of about 1 a year. That number would probably change if you investigated the events further.

Posted by: DFCtomm at April 24, 2017 02:44 PM (50gG9)

341 Since Obama, almost all agencies have a Phony Statistics Desk.

Start with desired conclusion, work backwards, massage until it sqeals.

It's all lies.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 24, 2017 02:47 PM (m6qV1)

342 Congressional committees charter GAO reports. The way it works is the committee provides the answer they want to hear upfront and then GAO marches off to provide a report to support that answer. The first place I look is what congressmen requested the report. For this report, it was 1 Republican and 15 Democrats. That's a big clue. Put this report in the Obama legacy drawer with all the other stinkers

Posted by: Spaceman at April 24, 2017 02:47 PM (3n8kV)

343 The section you're looking for is appendix II beginning on page 28.

Posted by: DFCtomm at April 24, 2017 02:55 PM (50gG9)

344 Seems like curious selectivity going on. Individual murders all get counted when the perp falls under the RWNJ label, but not if it's some leftist. Apparently it was assumed in advance that the Left Is Not A Problem.

The murder of cops in particular stands out. Notable when a RWNJ does it, but all in a day's work when BLM-inspired goons do.

Posted by: Original Roy at April 24, 2017 05:24 PM (DNxAg)

345 1% of the population killed MORE than 77% of the population. GAO needs to just kill itself. WTF man how is that in any way equivalent let alone MORE??!?!?!?!?!

Posted by: SmileyNh at April 24, 2017 06:19 PM (zJycq)

346 Mac, I looked at the report too. Before you go off trying to validate each of the "white supremacist" incidents in which 1 person died; just note that not one reported incident by a "new black panther" or "MS-13", yet this is in the report as an incident: "Prison gang white supremacists murdered another inmate for not objecting to having an African American cellmate". I'm fairly certain that Chicago just this year could destroy the premise of this report.

Posted by: Leland at April 24, 2017 10:04 PM (D4rQ6)

347 The "study" use a classification methodology that is bullcrap. Attacking the Cato Institute for the craptastic classification methodology is also BS, because it's NOT THEIR STUDY. Attacking Cato for accepting the craptastic study? yeah, they deserve to get hammered for that.

Posted by: BikerDad at April 25, 2017 12:40 PM (sp9EO)

348 This is much worse than you might think. The report is pure propaganda. I went through it incident by incident. It's amazingly, breathtakingly dishonest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0lQ1M1hnHY

Enjoy and thanks for the content, Ace, CBD.

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