French Elections: Macron and LePen Qualify For Second Round, Drawing 23.7% and 21.7% Respectively

The candidates of the two major parties, Parti Socialist (PS) and Les Republicaines (LR), both immediately called on supporters to vote against Le Pen. Francois Fillon called Le Pen "an extremist."

Had the 100%-tax-on-the-rich Melenchon faced off against Le Pen, it could be a race, because center-right voters could maybe decide the arch-socialist, far-left Melenchon was an even bigger threat.

Macron is a standard issue French socialist, running as an "independent," who enthusiastically supports the EU, which I guess makes him palatable to the somewhat-less-socialist Republicaines.

I don't see any possible route to victory for Le Pen, short of ISIS raising black flags over the Eysium.

Incidentally, France's two biggest parties failed to make the second round of the election, because the PS is very unpopular after five years of the very unpopular Francoise Hollande, and the Republicaines nominated Fillon, who looked fine pre-nomination, but soon after was badly damaged by revelations/accusations that his wife was holding a no-show government-paid job.

Alternate View: "Sargon of Akkad," who correctly predicted that Geert Wilders could not win and in fact could not even come close to winning in the Dutch presidential elections, is predicting the unrelenting terrorist attacks in France will in fact turn the advantage to Le Pen.

He notes that one poll claims that half of all French police say they'll vote for Le Pen, which may be (or might not be) a kind of hidden leading indicator.

It surprises me that he'd say that, because I'd figure that the same dynamic present in the Netherlands (everyone not in the nationalist party votes against the nationalist party) would apply to France. But maybe the high rate of terrorism is more of a factor in besieged France.

He notes that Macron is resigning himself a "this is the way it is now" attitude, (he said something to that effect), and further vows, in mocking both Le Pen and Trump, that there will be no wall in his own campaign platform, because the EU will France's walls.

I'm still skeptical myself -- we just had big news in the regional elections a couple of years ago, in which six or seven FN candidates made it to the second tour, but only one (IIRC) prevailed in the election. That was post-Bataclan, so if there was going to be a big turn towards FN, one would imagine it would have happened back then, too.

Poll: Connor linked a poll saying "Bloomberg has Le Pen ahead." I don't know if he misread this, but the latest Ipsos poll has Macron ahead of Le Pen 62 to 32, a blowout.

Remember, this election today is the first "tour", or round, or what we might call a "jungle primary." The next election is the second tour, the run-off between the two top finishers.

FN frequently makes it to the second tour, but then gets beaten in that election (the election that actually results in a win or loss of office) because the partisans of all non-FN parties tend to vote against the FN.

Posted by: Ace at 03:37 PM

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1 I'm revered in France.

Posted by: Jerry Lewis at April 23, 2017 03:30 PM (bc2Lc)

2 Bloomberg has Le pen leading

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-french-election/

Posted by: connor at April 23, 2017 03:31 PM (3PKcw)

3 So am I.

Posted by: Scary Mime at April 23, 2017 03:31 PM (CLKfs)

4 Well ISIS better hold back until Macron is elected... Then it's free rein for them....

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 23, 2017 03:32 PM (O2RFr)

5 I meant to say, " !"

Posted by: Scary Mime at April 23, 2017 03:32 PM (CLKfs)

6 Stole my headline

Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2017 03:33 PM (Ot7+c)

7 France...where did you go?
I don't even recognize you anymore.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 23, 2017 03:33 PM (0tfLf)

8 So Mr. open borders EU hugging Macron is considered an "Outsider "?

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 23, 2017 03:34 PM (O2RFr)

9 Yeah my question is can Muzzies stop going Jihad for their own sake?
Somehow I doubt it

Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2017 03:35 PM (Ot7+c)

10
London and Paris will be more like Tehran in 5 years. The two cities will be unrecognizable.

You know how the taliban and ISIS destroy any monument or structure that's not islamic? That's what next for Paris and London. And the Parisians and Londoners will sit and watch it happen.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 23, 2017 03:36 PM (zBNf8)

11 @ 9

They stop if they're dead.

Otherwise not so much.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 23, 2017 03:37 PM (S/hVx)

12 She's gonna win.

Posted by: Mega at April 23, 2017 03:37 PM (1CtvB)

13 And you get Islamic refugees! And you get Islamic refugees! And you get Islamic refugees! And you!

Posted by: Macron at April 23, 2017 03:37 PM (vChNs)

14
When the entire world's fake news calls the centrist candidate "far right" and the far left candidate a "centrist," the fix is in.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 23, 2017 03:40 PM (zBNf8)

15 I still hold out hope for Le Purge.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2017 03:40 PM (LTHVh)

16 Fillon, who looked fine pre-nomination, but soon after was badly damaged by revelations/accusations that his wife was holding a no-show government-paid job.

*******

Sheesh. That describes most of our politicians.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 23, 2017 03:40 PM (0tfLf)

17 How long before the E.U. decides that the best way to cope with refugees is:

1. Make them exempt from laws, because they don't "understand them"

and

2. Declare Islam the National religion of Europe?

Posted by: shibumi at April 23, 2017 03:40 PM (FkAXz)

18 Antifa goes berserk in Paris upon hearing that Le Pen is winning!:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/violent-scenes-paris-anti-fascists-10282854

Violent scenes in Paris as "anti-fascists" clash with riot police over results of first round of French election

New nickname for Paris:

Berkeley-upon-the Seine

Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2017 03:41 PM (DQ4Fv)

19 Is Macron the one that said that the French would just have to live with terror attacks or is he the one that said the French deserved terrorist attacks?

Posted by: redbanzai at April 23, 2017 03:41 PM (FTXAT)

20 Why are exit polls given so much more credence in Europe than in the US? Do they do it better?

Posted by: mark1971 at April 23, 2017 03:41 PM (xPl2J)

21

annnnddddd...unbold

Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2017 03:41 PM (DQ4Fv)

22 so the Frogs are better judges of character than our democrats, who nominated Barky despite that his wife mooched off a hospital- a hospital! - in a "diversity office" which was redundant.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 23, 2017 03:41 PM (67Uov)

23 I said C'est la vie, bye bye French culture in the last thread ... BUT

ok so Bloomberg says
Le Pen 25
Macron 21
Fillon 20

IF it is Le Pen versus Fillon in the end (remember the US media games?) ... game on.

And maybe ... establishment all saying ... vote Bush/Clinton (Macron) will have the same effect as it had here. (except Macron was not in power, yet he is EU establishment)

I will offer up a goat ... and burn a tire as sacrifice to the gods of the nation state ... viva la revolucion. Protect the border ... hail Caesar.

there may be a glimmer .. of hope.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 23, 2017 03:41 PM (TmCOq)

24 Antifa goes berserk in Paris upon hearing that Le Pen is winning!:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/violent-scenes-paris-anti-fascists-10282854

Violent scenes in Paris as "anti-fascists" clash with riot police over results of first round of French election

New nickname for Paris:

Berkeley-upon-the Seine

Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2017 03:41 PM (DQ4Fv)

Lets hope she keeps winning... she is the least bad choice for France and us.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 23, 2017 03:42 PM (FTXAT)

25 Best news in the French primary elections today is the hilarious vote totals of the Socialist Candidate:

Benoit Hamon, Socialist - 6%

And remember that the the current president of France, Hollande, is from that same Socialist Party. It would be the equivalent of a standing Democrat president getting 6% of the national vote.

The other commie, Melanchon, got about 18%. Overall, the left in France has basically collapsed, from being the majority not too long ago to being borderline fringies -- similar to the Labor party's collapse in England.

The bad news is that the boring no-ideas "centrist" without a party, Macron, will probably win the general election over Le Pen, because the ENTIRE political system and media are allied against her.

Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2017 03:42 PM (DQ4Fv)

26 Never fired, only dropped once.

Posted by: Just the Punchline at April 23, 2017 03:42 PM (LTHVh)

27 Hard to see Le Pen getting much more than 40%. But will Macron ignore this 40% in office

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 23, 2017 03:43 PM (MGimI)

28 Fillon, who looked fine pre-nomination, but soon after was badly damaged by revelations/accusations that his wife was holding a no-show government-paid job.

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to be fair, he was drunk and didn't even know he'd married her and she turned out to be a con woman anyway.

Posted by: Macron at April 23, 2017 03:43 PM (vChNs)

29 "...because center-right voters could maybe decide the arch-socialist..."

I thought you knew, Ace. When writing in the U.S. about ALL European elections, the word "far" always precedes the political associations of the pols. Let's then make that "far center-right," "far arch-socialist," and "far far-left. This is in the NYT Stylebook, maybe.

I thank you.

Posted by: Fred Beloit at April 23, 2017 03:43 PM (a7mjO)

30 "hail Caesar"

*raises hand*

What?!

Posted by: Richard Badhaircut Spencer at April 23, 2017 03:43 PM (67Uov)

31 Yeah, Macaroni will probably pull 3/4 of Fillon's vote, the Commie vote is maybe less predictable bit in the end it'd take one hell of an electoral middle finger to get Le Pen on

Posted by: JEM at April 23, 2017 03:45 PM (gxIj9)

32 10
London and Paris will be more like Tehran in 5 years. The two cities will be unrecognizable.

You know how the taliban and ISIS destroy any monument or structure that's not islamic? That's what next for Paris and London. And the Parisians and Londoners will sit and watch it happen.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 23, 2017 03:36 PM (zBNf

I fear you are correct, and it breaks my heart. I lived in Paris, and visited London often, and the museums and monuments are a big part of what makes those cities so special and unique. But if those idiots don't start doing something about that "little problem" they have, Big Ben and L'Arc de Triomph will be rubble, with celebrating jihadis dancing at their demise.

Posted by: moki at April 23, 2017 03:45 PM (V+V48)

33 The bad news is that the boring no-ideas "centrist" without a party, Macron, will probably win the general election over Le Pen, because the ENTIRE political system and media are allied against her.
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Last time I heard, that was the situation in the US in 2016, and the powers that be were not able to rig the voting.

So... wait until the fat lady sings. Or the angry French woman. Either way, wait and see.

Posted by: shibumi at April 23, 2017 03:46 PM (FkAXz)

34 I was streaming France24 earlier when the projections came in and they started "analyzing." God, weird as it is to say, but they make French politics sound so boring. All the other parties will compete with each other, but as soon as the National Front comes up, they all march in lockstep with each other. Talking head after talking head, regardless of party affiliation, was saying "well, obviously these numbers are a relief because it means Macron will likely defeat the far Right," etc. If ISIS blew up the Eiffel Tower, I don't think it would make a difference to them.

Posted by: T at April 23, 2017 03:46 PM (IKdzI)

35 it'd take one hell of an electoral middle finger to get Le Pen on

And the French Establishment is not above vote rigging.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2017 03:46 PM (LTHVh)

36 Le Pen = 21.7%

Marxist Pretenders = 23.7%

France Rolling Down Hill Like A Snowball Heading For Hell = 54.6%

Adieu Frogs!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 23, 2017 03:46 PM (5VlCp)

37 Bloomberg figures appear "early" and overweighted rural voters

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 23, 2017 03:46 PM (MGimI)

38 Le Pen's primary, and insurmountable, problem is her last name.

Her dad really was a neo-Nazi, and the name "Le Pen" is forever sullied in the minds of most French, no matter much she reforms the party, and no mater how much she rejects her father's paleo-racist positions.

Sad, but that';s the way things are. Sort of like the last name "Clinton" in the US -- forever ruined.

Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2017 03:47 PM (DQ4Fv)

39 Send in the Marines.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2017 03:48 PM (LTHVh)

40 Please contribute 50 francs to support my recount effort to overturn this illegitimate result!

Posted by: Jil Stein at April 23, 2017 03:48 PM (vChNs)

41 You know how the taliban and ISIS destroy any monument or structure that's not islamic? That's what next for Paris and London. And the Parisians and Londoners will sit and watch it happen
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"Of course they destroy things that they didn't create. It's part of their culture, and a it's valid, beautiful viewpoint."
-- Socialist Western Europeans who have had the ability to fight bred out of them

Posted by: shibumi at April 23, 2017 03:48 PM (FkAXz)

42 20

Posted by: mark1971 at April 23, 2017 03:41 PM (xPl2J)

As I understand it, this wasn't really an exit poll, but a sampling of actual ballots cast earlier in the day. At least that's how it was phrased on the news. Seems kinda hinky to me, but whatever.

Posted by: T at April 23, 2017 03:48 PM (IKdzI)

43 Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2017 03:47 PM (DQ4Fv)

Kinda what I figured as well. Didn't she also have a really bad moment when she claimed that France didn't help round up Jews or something to that affect?

Posted by: thathalfrican - straight killin' it at April 23, 2017 03:48 PM (nDcc3)

44 https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10190/islam-england-france

Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2017 03:49 PM (Ot7+c)

45 Unfortunately this is just a rejection of Trump and his policies. I predict it's an early night.

Posted by: Bill Wynning at April 23, 2017 03:50 PM (nDcc3)

46 Its only 9pm ( I think, 10 tops) there so all votes are not counted, they are calling results just like they do here.

Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2017 03:50 PM (Ot7+c)

47 IIRC Le Pen was trying to make the point that the true French govt in exile (De Gaul) wasn't rounding up Jews

I expect she identifies with De Gaul

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 23, 2017 03:51 PM (MGimI)

48 You know how the taliban and ISIS destroy any monument or structure that's not islamic? That's what next for Paris and London. And the Parisians and Londoners will sit and watch it happen

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We remember Napoleon's crusade in Egypt

Posted by: ISIS at April 23, 2017 03:53 PM (vChNs)

49 Bloomberg figures appear "early" and overweighted rural voters

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Tu calling me Fat?

Posted by: a rural french at April 23, 2017 03:54 PM (vChNs)

50 There's some strange stuff going on at 4Chan /Pol/.

There is a live stream of Antifa in Paris up, and it appears that one of their goals is to get screenshots of people and identify them.

They did this in Berkley; don't think it was discussed here, but a college professor was identified as the guy who attacked a Trump supporter with a large metal bike lock and cracked his head open. Of course, he has not been charged.

More here: http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/122465138

Posted by: shibumi at April 23, 2017 03:55 PM (FkAXz)

51 Le Pen needs some Pepe the Frog memes showing up ... with her battling the invading jihadists as they attempt to topple the Eiffel Tower. or something ...

Toppling the tower would get attention, but they do that to the country in reality with their car burnings and no-go zones ... French don't much care. The French did have martial law for months ... after the Bataclan ... yet they still love multi-culti terror and Brussels Euro-weenies performing sadistic acts upon them.

"How the west was won" ... sequel ... paradise lost. idjuts.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 23, 2017 03:55 PM (TmCOq)

52 Sort of like the last name "Clinton" in the US -- forever ruined.

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Challenge Accepted!

Posted by: MSM at April 23, 2017 03:55 PM (vChNs)

53 Here's my favorite Fwench joke.

Why did they plant trees along the Champs d'Elysee?

So the German army could march in the shade.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 23, 2017 03:56 PM (EZebt)

54 If the French "give in"'at the polls I expect there's no hope for the Germans

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 23, 2017 03:57 PM (MGimI)

55 We figure it'll take a generation to boil the frogs.

And the sauce will be magnifique!

Posted by: ISIS at April 23, 2017 03:58 PM (vChNs)

56 Kinda what I figured as well. Didn't she also have a really bad moment when she claimed that France didn't help round up Jews or something to that affect?
Posted by: thathalfrican

No, she didn't actually make a gaffe -- that was just a failed "Gotcha!" attempt by the media to associate her with nazism. What she actually said was true and what most French agree with -- that the legitimate government of France during WWII was the evacuated government-in-absentia located in London, and that the collaborationist Vichy government was not the real morally valid government, and did not represent the opinions of most Frenchmen. So she said that when the Vichy government helped the Germans round up Jews, that was not "France" rounding up the Jews, but a subset of France composed of traitors -- thus it was unfair to blame "all of France" for the rounding up of the Jews.

The media intentionally misreported and misconstrued what she said, and tried to imply that she had just denied the Holocaust.

Today's vote showed that this outrageous slander attempt by the MSM again Le Pen utterly failed.

Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2017 03:58 PM (DQ4Fv)

57 Been reading some of the old Upton Sinclair novels and he talks about French politics. (1930's) So many different socialist ideas, Communist ideas, Nazi dogma, you can see how easily the Germans took over France. Almost a new government a week back then. Even some supporting the return of the monarch, after what, a hundred years.

Posted by: Colin at April 23, 2017 03:59 PM (A4n2s)

58 I highly recommend this article for anyone wanting to read more into the situation in France:

https://www.city-journal.org/html/french-coming-apart-15125.html

About halfway through, it has an interesting take on why the globalist elites have chosen to ally with the migrant swarms, even though it's suicidal in the long run. Basically, both groups have made out like bandits from the arrangement. The immigrants get lots of public services; the elites get a sense of moral superiority and freedom from having to deal from the masses of unwashed natives. They prefer this to a closer relationship with their own fellow citizens of a lower class.

Or since that was rambling: a Paris investment banker has more in common with a young Syrian guy doing menial work in his office building than with a fellow Frenchman out in the sticks of Provence or somewhere else who didn't go to college or learn several languages. It kind of makes sense.

Posted by: T at April 23, 2017 03:59 PM (IKdzI)

59 I don't think the French have changed: it took barely more than a month for them to abandon Paris to the Nazis, seek an armistice with Hitler, and abandon their own captured soldiers to German POW camps. All this despite the fact the French army had previously been considered the best equipped in Europe.

A reporter in Paris said that "most Frenchmen seem to regard the total collapse of their country with a resignation that has the appearance of indifference."

France is beautiful, but I don't understand the people. I never will.

Posted by: LASue, deplorable, but at least not French at April 23, 2017 03:59 PM (CLKfs)

60 eysium and raisum cent euros.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 23, 2017 04:00 PM (WTSFk)

61 ... but soon after was badly damaged by revelations/accusations that his wife was holding a no-show government-paid job.

Who'd have thought the French were lesser fools than the Americans?

Posted by: The Obamas at April 23, 2017 04:01 PM (ZcAbN)

62 Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2017 03:58 PM (DQ4Fv)

Thanks for the clarification zombie

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at April 23, 2017 04:02 PM (nDcc3)

63 You know how the taliban and ISIS destroy any monument or structure that's not islamic? That's what next for Paris and London. And the Parisians and Londoners will sit and watch it happen.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 23, 2017 03:36 PM (zBNf

============

If they were more like our Republicans in Congress, they'd actively help it happen ...

Posted by: ShainS at April 23, 2017 04:03 PM (ZcAbN)

64 I am reading a history of the Cathars. since they got themselves into La Provence and Toulouse before "France" existed, it's hard to draw lessons from it. (the Languedoc was attached to Aragon and Aquitaine. the latter was English, heh. well, Norman anyway.)

the Pope made a deal with Philippe Auguste to *make* the Languedoc French...

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 23, 2017 04:04 PM (67Uov)

65 Le Pen won the right to be crushed by the EU-loving "centrist" in the run-off election, I see.

French elections demonstrate one thing: When Germany tells France "LOL,what borders", the French have learned to accept it.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 23, 2017 04:04 PM (vBeA5)

66 32 10
London and Paris will be more like Tehran in 5 years. The two cities will be unrecognizable.

Two summers ago, Munich parks were already filled with full burka-wearing women. (Whatever its called where you only see the slits for eyes.) It was actually a little scary.

Posted by: LASue, deplorable, but at least not French at April 23, 2017 04:05 PM (CLKfs)

67 I don't think the French have changed: it took barely more than a month for them to abandon Paris to the Nazis, seek an armistice with Hitler, and abandon their own captured soldiers to German POW camps. All this despite the fact the French army had previously been considered the best equipped in Europe.

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France had a excellent military for centuries. Napoleon and their heroic resistance in WWI being prime examples.

So the question is did they have a bad month, or did WWI really change their character. Events post WWII argue for the latter hypothesis.

Posted by: ISIS at April 23, 2017 04:06 PM (vChNs)

68 one lesson is that a propaganda campaign from outside just pissed the locals off. when Le pen loses, expect rural disobedience

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 23, 2017 04:07 PM (67Uov)

69 So I better get London and Paris off the bucket list before They kick the bucket?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 23, 2017 04:07 PM (vChNs)

70 So I better get London and Paris off the bucket list before They kick the bucket?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 23, 2017 04:07 PM (vChNs)

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I'm thinking that ship sailed about 10 years ago.

Posted by: Uber Lyft Driver at April 23, 2017 04:08 PM (TDPpB)

71 39

Posted by: LASue, deplorable, but at least not French at April 23, 2017 03:59 PM (CLKfs)

Part of the problem there was that the Third Republic was pretty unpopular. A lot of people wanted an openly Socialist or Communist government; just as many or more wanted a fascist government similar to Germany's or at least Italy's; and there were a fair number who even wanted to bring back the monarchy.

The truth is, France has always been divided against itself, at least since the Revolution. You can't centralize a country that big and diverse and not make it somewhat unstable.

Posted by: T at April 23, 2017 04:09 PM (IKdzI)

72 Actually London under PM May looks to have a pretty good future, in spite of all the idiotic things they've done in the past.

Posted by: Tom Serrvo at April 23, 2017 04:09 PM (V2Yro)

73 >>>You know how the taliban and ISIS destroy any monument or structure that's not islamic? That's what next for Paris and London. And the Parisians and Londoners will sit and watch it happen.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 23, 2017 03:36 PM (zBNf

ITS FUNNY BECAUSE WE USED TO LAUGH AT PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND CALL YOU CRAZY

Posted by: BEN ROSSLINGERBERG at April 23, 2017 04:10 PM (QCc6B)

74 "Le pen loses, expect rural disobedience"

the rural folk, and all the other French that actually like being French, better come up with a better plan than disobedience if they give a crap about their kids

Posted by: Grad School Fool at April 23, 2017 04:11 PM (swEzU)

75 Incidentally, if you want another reason not to trust Macron, I learned this afternoon that the guy is married to his former high-school teacher. He's 39 and she's like 60-something, so...yeah.

I know that has no bearing on his policies and all....but it's creepy.

Posted by: T at April 23, 2017 04:12 PM (IKdzI)

76 I think it actually is to her BENEFIT to lose this next round. She can be there, commenting and criticizing, questioning every pro-globalist move the Macron makes that ignores the crisis. When the situation becomes ungovernable, there she will be, ready to do what's necessary. Yes. I think France is that blind, that I feel much more pain is what they will require before they will turn. The thing that stinks is then it will mean blood. And LOTS OF IT.

Posted by: The Lonebadger at April 23, 2017 04:12 PM (eq6Th)

77
About halfway through, it has an interesting take on why the globalist elites have chosen to ally with the migrant swarms, even though it's suicidal in the long run. Basically, both groups have made out like bandits from the arrangement. The immigrants get lots of public services; the elites get a sense of moral superiority and freedom from having to deal from the masses of unwashed natives. They prefer this to a closer relationship with their own fellow citizens of a lower class.
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I couldn't get through the whole article, and was a bit put off when they quoted Robert Reich briefly.

Here's another take on the whole premise put forth in the article:

-Immigrants get things for free and like that arrangement
-You can control people getting things for free
-The rich like to give things to immigrants, because they will vote for them and keep them in power
-The rich do not like the middle classes, who are independent and think for themselves
-The rich in Europe want only two classes: Rich and Poor.
-Middle class equals poor.

If you substitute the word "Democrats" for "Immigrants" you'll get a peek into some of what's going on in the US

Posted by: shibumi at April 23, 2017 04:13 PM (FkAXz)

78 So I better get London and Paris off the bucket list before They kick the bucket?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 23, 2017 04:07 PM (vChNs)

Paris is rapidly turning into a third-world shithole, with the added benefit of terrorism.

But London is still okay...for now.

And the beer is the best in the world.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 23, 2017 04:14 PM (rF0hx)

79 "London and Paris will be more like Tehran in 5 years. The two cities will be unrecognizable."

There was a plaintive amateur video on the Internet by a young Japanese woman who had made the tourist pilgrimage to the City Of Light, titled "Where is Paris"?

She paid to go to the Paris of clean cosmopolitan civility and inquiry, and instead found everywhere the dirty disorder and incurious monoculture of the Maghreb.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 23, 2017 04:14 PM (qJjMA)

80 So the question is did they have a bad month, or did WWI really change their character. Events post WWII argue for the latter hypothesis.
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Alpha male genes exterminated in all Western European males.

Beta males flourish.

They will gradually become Islamic.

Not so in former Communist countries like Poland and Hungary.

Posted by: shibumi at April 23, 2017 04:15 PM (FkAXz)

81 Well. I'm happy to have seen Paris before the coming collapse.

Like it matters.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 23, 2017 04:17 PM (2VN2E)

82 Two summers ago, Munich parks were already
filled with full burka-wearing women. (Whatever its called where you
only see the slits for eyes.)
Posted by: LASue, deplorable, but at least not French at April 23, 2017 04:05 PM (CLKfs)
The niqab has a slit through the mask around the eyes, allowing unobstructed vision for the wearer. The burqa has a grill over the eyes, obstructing the vision of the wearer and completely obscuring the wearer's face from outside viewers. Otherwise, they're identical.

I've seen a lot of niqab-wearers in the United States, though I don't think I've seen an actual burqa yet.

Posted by: My Ridiculously Circuitous Plan at April 23, 2017 04:19 PM (NfNIM)

83 "and completely obscuring the wearer's face from outside viewer"

IOW, a hoodie?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 23, 2017 04:20 PM (J+eG2)

84 Yeah, but where does the Ruuskies figure into this?

Posted by: ceraphym at April 23, 2017 04:22 PM (cFXku)

85 "Are you ever gonna be who I thought you were
Who I thought you were"

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 23, 2017 04:22 PM (257VF)

86 Yeah, but where does the Ruuskies figure into this?

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they lost more males than anyone, but don't look Beta. Guess not losing helps.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 23, 2017 04:23 PM (vChNs)

87 I went through Londonistan last August. felt like Karachi.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 23, 2017 04:24 PM (257VF)

88 I'm listening to Macron and he sounds very Republican.

I have no way of knowing if the things he is saying are French politician cant or not.

But he's talking about entrepreneurship and job creation (that doesn't involve making more bureaucrats).

But, he's Pro-EU. Too bad. Good luck with actually accomplishing anything dragging that albatross around.

Posted by: Skunky Choom at April 23, 2017 04:25 PM (l9E4p)

89 70
So I better get London and Paris off the bucket list before They kick the bucket?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 23, 2017 04:07 PM (vChNs)

Thats depressing. I think I'll drown my sorrow with some nice crispy frie3d chicken.

Posted by: Colonel Sanders at April 23, 2017 04:25 PM (n3hky)

90

OBama is tutoring and advising Macron

He is the French Obama

If the French want Obamas refugee policies, terrorism policies, policing policies, vote Macron

Posted by: ThunderB at April 23, 2017 04:25 PM (+Dnrj)

91
'Far-right', 'far-left', 'extremist'.

We should take a lesson from the civilized French and how civil they are to each other politically. Also, avoid ordering soup while visiting.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at April 23, 2017 04:26 PM (HTdUD)

92 The French should hope French History doesn't repeat.

Hearing about the Antifa unrest in Paris reminded me of the story of how Napoleon first became someone to take notice of in France. He was in the army fighting wars on the borders during the revolution, which kept him clear of most of the nonsense that went on during Robespierre's Terror. (that's why he was never tainted with any of that) He had shown himself to be a good officer during those wars, good enough that when he was able to go pack to Paris, they put him in charge of the garrison there. (under an older do-nothing officer)

By this time (1795) France was into it's one of it's New Government Every Week phases, and a group of royalists decided that they could accumulate enough force to take back the government, and the marched through Paris in great force. France had gotten used to governments collapsing at the hint of riot and no one doing anything to stop them, so the Government at the time desperately pled for the garrison, Napoleon commanding, to do anything he could to save the situation.

Napoleon, being Napoleon, ordered his men to haul his cannon into the streets of Paris and fired grapeshot repeatedly into the marchers until they all ran away or died.

After that, any time a riot threatened to start, all anyone had to do was whisper "Napoleon is coming!" and the rioters would disperse as fast as they could. Once he owned the streets, it didn't take him much longer to own the government, and the country.

France (and a lot of Europe) looks to be putting everything in place for another Napoleon to appear.

Posted by: Tom Serrvo at April 23, 2017 04:26 PM (V2Yro)

93

Le Pen must tie Macron to the EU immigration policies of Obama

Posted by: ThunderB at April 23, 2017 04:27 PM (+Dnrj)

94 "Sargon of Akkad," who correctly predicted that ...

More like Johnny-come-lately Loser of Sukkad!

Posted by: Gilgamesh of Ur at April 23, 2017 04:27 PM (H2sr+)

95 off italians

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at April 23, 2017 04:28 PM (HTdUD)

96 I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

Trump and Theresa May should be planning right now to do the following when the s**t hits the fan i the EU:

1). Grab all the overseas territories of France, Spain, Portugual, the Netherlands, and Denmark (e.g. French Polynesia, Azores, Aruba, Greenland, &c.);

2). Have military teams ready to go in and grab any cultural artifacts they can carry; and

3). Secure France's nukes.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 23, 2017 04:28 PM (vBeA5)

97 Oh, right. The Barrel. Enkidu, where are you?

Posted by: Gilgamesh of Ur at April 23, 2017 04:29 PM (H2sr+)

98 Woo hoo!

Mon dieu, please, please let Le Pen win it all.

I so want to hear the likes of Samantha Bee up their whining and pissing and moaning another octave.

Posted by: logprof at April 23, 2017 04:31 PM (GsAUU)

99 Its difficult to unit a country that has 350+ cheeses. The French are regional in outlook. The more rural people are conservative. The people in the metro areas tend to be arrogant. Je pleure pour la France.

Posted by: colfax mingo at April 23, 2017 04:33 PM (mc8bR)

100 Hot for teacher!
Macron started his thing with his wife when he was 15 and she was his 39 old teacher.

Will you still need me, will you still feed me, when I'm sixty-four?
Bridgette Macron looks pretty good for 64.
She was probably a hottie at 39

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 23, 2017 04:34 PM (bQxkN)

101 Its difficult to unit a country that has 350+ cheeses.

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Soon it will be all goat cheese. Take that Monty Python!

Posted by: ISIS at April 23, 2017 04:35 PM (vChNs)

102 Je suis avec elle!

. . . heh, not a peep from the crowd raving about how awesome a female president would be last year.

Oh, and Hillary Clinton will never be President of the United States.

Posted by: logprof at April 23, 2017 04:36 PM (GsAUU)

103 96 I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

Trump and Theresa May should be planning right now to do the following when the s**t hits the fan i the EU:

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4) Deploy strike team to locate and evacuate Sophie Marceau and her lingerie.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2017 04:36 PM (JZdsf)

104 Macron started his thing with his wife when he was 15 and she was his 39 old teacher.

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Dear Le Penthouse...

Posted by: Macron at April 23, 2017 04:36 PM (vChNs)

105 You Deemocrats like to snatch defeat from ze jauws of veectory, bu qui ze Franch are ze original professionals of the surrender...

Posted by: Chuck of Gaul at April 23, 2017 04:36 PM (DpOmP)

106 2). Have military teams ready to go in and grab any cultural artifacts they can carry; and

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dibs on Bridget Bardot

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 23, 2017 04:37 PM (vChNs)

107 I guess Macron liked the movie "Grand Rapids"

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 23, 2017 04:38 PM (hhbVv)

108 dibs on Bridget Bardot
Posted by: Buzzsaw90

You do realize, I assume, that she's now 83 years old, right?

Pretty hot for an 83-year-old, I guess, but it's not 1961 forever!

Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2017 04:39 PM (DQ4Fv)

109 "Extremist"?

Hey, most members of the National Front are moderates. Like, barely even 1% of them are extremists. It's unfair to paint them all with the same brush!

Or does that defense only work when defending muzzies?

Posted by: RKae at April 23, 2017 04:39 PM (7MudK)

110 >>> Yeah, but where does the Ruuskies figure into this?

"they lost more males than anyone, but don't look Beta"

A lot of the USSR's WWII frontline war dead were not drawn from pure Russian ethnic stock. They were mass conscripts from elsewhere in the sprawling Soviet empire. Especially from places which Stalin wished to depopulate as policy.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 23, 2017 04:39 PM (qJjMA)

111 when Trump takes Brasil, I call dibs on the women there

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 23, 2017 04:39 PM (hhbVv)

112 88 I'm listening to Macron and he sounds very Republican.

I have no way of knowing if the things he is saying are French politician cant or not.

But he's talking about entrepreneurship and job creation (that doesn't involve making more bureaucrats).

But, he's Pro-EU. Too bad. Good luck with actually accomplishing anything dragging that albatross around.
Posted by: Skunky Choom at April 23, 2017 04:25 PM (l9E4p)

--Macron is like a Conservative, Inc. Republican. And he's a cuckservative. And the thing with his wife is just weird.

Le Pen is definitely distancing herself from the EU (she has refused to be photographed or filmed with the EU flag in the background), but even she knows that Frexit will take time since France is in the Euro Zone, unlike the UK. Immigration is the immediate priority. Still, if there is Frexit, the EU is toast.

Posted by: logprof at April 23, 2017 04:40 PM (GsAUU)

113 ...but it's not 1961 forever!
Posted by: zombie

----

Well, in my house it's 1974 forever!

Posted by: RKae at April 23, 2017 04:40 PM (7MudK)

114 108 dibs on Bridget Bardot
Posted by: Buzzsaw90

You do realize, I assume, that she's now 83 years old, right?

Pretty hot for an 83-year-old, I guess, but it's not 1961 forever!
Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2017 04:39 PM (DQ4Fv)

I bet she's voting for LePen, though. She's had a number of run-ins with the authorities for "hate speech" over Muslim immigration.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2017 04:41 PM (sdi6R)

115 107 I guess Macron liked the movie "Grand Rapids"
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 23, 2017 04:38 PM (hhbVv)

--Do you mean Cedar Rapids, with the Ed Helms-Sigourney Weaver December-May thing?

Posted by: logprof at April 23, 2017 04:42 PM (GsAUU)

116 107 I guess Macron liked the movie "Grand Rapids"
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 23, 2017 04:38 PM (hhbVv)

--Do you mean Cedar Rapids, with the Ed Helms-Sigourney Weaver December-May thing?
Posted by: logprof

----

Or did you mean "Harold & Maude"?

Posted by: RKae at April 23, 2017 04:43 PM (7MudK)

117 Had an atomic bore - in 2004
Did some atomic tricks - in 2006
Got out way late - in 2008
Let's do it all again - in 2010

Had an atomic bore - in 2004
Did some atomic tricks - in 2006
Got out way late - in 2008
Im gonna do it all again - in 2010
And for 5....7.....9 and 11 the guess is yours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWAaSVm_Y60

Posted by: The Hives at April 23, 2017 04:43 PM (DpOmP)

118 Buzzsaw90,

Bardot has become in her old age a cat lady, she smells like cat piss. The cultural icon to save is Johnny Holiday, the french Elvis. He's not the Vegas Elvis, but the Elvis from the early years.

Posted by: colfax mingo at April 23, 2017 04:43 PM (mc8bR)

119 Pretty hot for an 83-year-old, I guess, but it's not 1961 forever!

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But she is a treasure to be rescued

In her 2003 book, Un cri dans le silence ("A Scream in the Silence"), she warned of an "Islamicization of France", and said of Muslim immigration:

Over the last twenty years, we have given in to a subterranean, dangerous, and uncontrolled infiltration, which not only resists adjusting to our laws and customs but which will, as the years pass, attempt to impose its own.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 23, 2017 04:45 PM (vChNs)

120 I have no authority other than just vibes in the ether but I have a sense that the Humpty Dumpty of progressive delusions is having a great fall. I see on WZ a poll that 66% believe the Donks are more out of touch than the Rethugs. Progs require you to believe that Islam is the religion of peace, it's our fault because we refuse to coexist, the Muslims are the victims whom we have a moral duty to protect, and the real danger is attacks on Islam. That's quite a pill to swallow even for the kool aid drinkers. I suspect that many will that they are being asked to believe one too many impossible things. Then it'll be like Jenga, the entire rotten facade will just come tumbling down.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 23, 2017 04:45 PM (Nwg0u)

121 I don't see any possible route to victory for Le Pen, short of ISIS raising black flags over the Eysium.

Even then, the French power elite who have layers of armed security would tell the French peasants "they just have to get used to changing times"

Posted by: kbdabear at April 23, 2017 04:45 PM (AOrEZ)

122

!

Posted by: Marcel Marceau at April 23, 2017 04:45 PM (IqV8l)

123 TPH, I'd hold off on some of those land grabs you propose. AFAIK, some Frech territories like French Guiana and Reunion are Overseas Departments, and are as much a part of France in terms of representation as Corsica is.

Posted by: logprof at April 23, 2017 04:46 PM (GsAUU)

124 The core EU political problem is inexplicable to me.

If the EU kept to being a trade zone, instead of transforming itself into an un-elected beauracratic overlord, Brexit wouldn't have happened.

The real tension now is in places like Poland resisting taking their fair share of Muslim immigrants.

Hitler's worst nightmare: a free nationalist Poland, while Germany ends, over-run by a foreign invader

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 23, 2017 04:46 PM (bQxkN)

125 I don't see any possible route to victory for Le Pen, short of ISIS raising black flags over the Eysium.

The majority of French people (most of whom claimed to be Le Resistance after the war) got acclimated pretty easily to Nazi flags over the Elysium

Posted by: kbdabear at April 23, 2017 04:47 PM (AOrEZ)

126 112 --Macron is like a Conservative, Inc. Republican. And he's a cuckservative. And the thing with his wife is just weird.
Posted by: logprof

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yeah, I definitely get a GOPe vibe from him.

But because he's French and entrepreneurial job creation sounds just as fake from him as 'Repeal Obamacare' does from the GOPe mannequins.

Posted by: Skunky Choom at April 23, 2017 04:48 PM (l9E4p)

127 118 Buzzsaw90,

Bardot has become in her old age a cat lady, she smells like cat piss. The cultural icon to save is Johnny Holiday, the french Elvis. He's not the Vegas Elvis, but the Elvis from the early years.
Posted by: colfax mingo at April 23, 2017 04:43 PM (mc8bR)

--I do know that Bardot is big on animal causes. Not ALF-level crazy, but pretty devoted.

And yes, she is not a fan of the paedo/wife-beater cult.

Posted by: logprof at April 23, 2017 04:48 PM (GsAUU)

128 The real tension now is in places like Poland resisting taking their fair share of Muslim immigrants.

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"Fair share"? I wonder what the "fair share" of plague germs is?

Posted by: RKae at April 23, 2017 04:48 PM (7MudK)

129 Venezuelan Beaver Cheese ?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2017 04:50 PM (LTHVh)

130 If any Morons are curious (since many of us Moron-source for movie recommendations), Cedar Rapids is kinda blah. To me it was (literally) a watch-on-the-plane movie and that's it. Except for the Isaiah Whitlock, Jr. character, no one in the movie is really sympathetic at all.

Posted by: logprof at April 23, 2017 04:50 PM (GsAUU)

131 Heh, History has a doc about weed on. I had no idea Denver has already become the third most popular Spring Break destination.

Posted by: logprof at April 23, 2017 04:51 PM (GsAUU)

132 The real tension now is in places like Poland resisting taking their fair share of Muslim immigrants.
--

I hope they continue "resisting." And if that means leaving the EU, oh well.

Posted by: shibumi at April 23, 2017 04:51 PM (FkAXz)

133
Do kids still make macaroni art?

You paint that stuff gold and you can make a helluva classy macaroni picture frame.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 23, 2017 04:51 PM (a3g4v)

134 I agree with Sargon of Akkad.

Posted by: Eromero at April 23, 2017 04:52 PM (zLDYs)

135 I draw hope for Le Pen from the ShitMidas endorsement of Macron -

TFG, don't fail us now.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2017 04:52 PM (wTwJ2)

136 Le Penis mightier than the sword... *clic!*

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at April 23, 2017 04:55 PM (HwVbl)

137 The thing I don't understand about Aunle Fa is whose aunt is she or is it like an Auntie Entity honorary title thing?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 23, 2017 04:56 PM (Nwg0u)

138 I'll take Le Penis Mighti�r for $200!

Posted by: Sean Connery at April 23, 2017 04:57 PM (WnJWI)

139 132 The real tension now is in places like Poland resisting taking their fair share of Muslim immigrants.
--

I hope they continue "resisting." And if that means leaving the EU, oh well.

Posted by: shibumi at April 23, 2017 04:51 PM (FkAXz)

--Poland, Czrchia, Slovakia, and Hungary have some sort of arrangement and are tighter with each other than the rest of the EU. Orban and the Patriotic Party in Poland are reinforcing and encouraging each other, and Slovakia also has a populist, nationalist government now.

Posted by: logprof at April 23, 2017 04:57 PM (GsAUU)

140
The Left will defeat fascism -- even if it means beating and gagging every single one of us.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 23, 2017 04:58 PM (a3g4v)

141
At least Shortcake won't have to live to see the end of France.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 23, 2017 04:58 PM (a3g4v)

142 Not sure if Ace is still around but there is France 24 news on Roku.

So now I can watch SKY and France 24 live but not Fox, CBSNBCABCCNN. So stupid.

Recently, I actually saw CBS Evening News broadcast on SKY.

I just don't understand how fucking dumb American media actually is. I think I have it figured out and then, on the only 24 hour news I can get, which is from UK, I see CBS News, but I couldn't go to the CBS channel and watch that same broadcast.

Posted by: Skunky Choom at April 23, 2017 04:58 PM (u/p7K)

143 The real tension now is in places like Poland resisting taking their fair share of Muslim immigrants up the ass.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 23, 2017 04:59 PM (Nwg0u)

144
btw, ever make strawberry shortcake using Twinkies?

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at April 23, 2017 04:59 PM (a3g4v)

145 yeah I meant Cedar Rapids. such a memorable movie I forgot half its name

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 23, 2017 04:59 PM (hhbVv)

146 New food thread.

Posted by: Uber Lyft Driver at April 23, 2017 05:02 PM (uuC8G)

147 145 yeah I meant Cedar Rapids. such a memorable movie I forgot half its name
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at April 23, 2017 04:59 PM (hhbVv)

--Ha! I think Ed Helms is the type of guy who is great in an enseble setting like The Office or the Hangover movies but is so-so at best carrying a movie.

Posted by: logprof at April 23, 2017 05:02 PM (GsAUU)

148 135 I draw hope for Le Pen from the ShitMidas endorsement of Macron -

TFG, don't fail us now.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2017 04:52 PM (wTwJ2)

--Heh, didn't the JEF pick U Conn to win the women's yourney?

Posted by: logprof at April 23, 2017 05:03 PM (GsAUU)

149 A lot of the USSR's WWII frontline war dead were not drawn from pure Russian ethnic stock. They were mass conscripts from elsewhere in the sprawling Soviet empire. Especially from places which Stalin wished to depopulate as policy.

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Joe, like Rahm Emmanuel, was a never let a good crisis go to waste kinda guy.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 23, 2017 05:07 PM (Nwg0u)

150 Prediction.... they will say it will be an early night for LePen...

They will be wrong...

The West is beginning to wake...

Posted by: Don Quixote, tilting... at April 23, 2017 05:10 PM (NgKpN)

151 149 A lot of the USSR's WWII frontline war dead were not drawn from pure Russian ethnic stock. They were mass conscripts from elsewhere in the sprawling Soviet empire. Especially from places which Stalin wished to depopulate as policy.

-
Joe, like Rahm Emmanuel, was a never let a good crisis go to waste kinda guy.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 23, 2017 05:07 PM (Nwg0u)

Say what you will about Stalin, but he was no idiot.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2017 05:13 PM (sdi6R)

152 TFG, don't fail us now.
Posted by: GnuBreed

Don't fail to fail us now!

Posted by: t-bird at April 23, 2017 05:13 PM (HwVbl)

153 Ipsos has a poll out already?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 23, 2017 05:13 PM (P/kVC)

154 "Pretty hot for an 83-year-old, I guess, but it's not 1961 forever!"

Hey, I'd hit that!

Posted by: Emmanuel Macron at April 23, 2017 05:15 PM (V2Yro)

155 Shouldn't the French Exit be called...

FraSortie?

Posted by: Don Quixote, tilting... at April 23, 2017 05:16 PM (NgKpN)

156 we'll find votes for Macron if we have to plunder every grave in France

Posted by: Mmatmuor and Sodosma at April 23, 2017 05:16 PM (hhbVv)

157 The French system defends their Establishment.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 23, 2017 05:21 PM (oVJmc)

158 So Antifa is allied with the Muzzies. It's small comfort that they will eventually get their just deserts, but the nation will be gone by then.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2017 05:28 PM (sdi6R)

159 Y'know, people keep saying that the "alphas" killed each other in WW1-2. Ok, how do you explain Sweden? Stayed out of both wars, hell profited from them too! And yet, they're more screwed than most. Methinks the issue isn't as simple as "Alphas" and "Betas". Their cultures have been so corroded by PC that they're ashamed and the population is so old that they collectively don't have the ability fight back. I'll believe this "Europe is Waking Up!" crap when one of these countries actually punches back in a concrete way.

FYI Britain is a different case regarding all this. Their electoral system and Nigel Farage's political skill managed to put the right in a position to successfully strike back.

Posted by: Jackal at April 23, 2017 05:46 PM (NiR1r)

160 Hey ace, just want to mention that I wasn't refferring to the second round of voting when I linked that poll but was refferring to the state of the first round of voting according to Bloomberg at the time, which had Le pen leading by a view percentage points. I understand that they still have her losing in the second round. However, if this led to some confusion, I'm glad you went ahead and cleared it up.

Posted by: connor at April 23, 2017 06:01 PM (3PKcw)

161 TPH, I'd hold off on some of those land grabs you propose. AFAIK, some Frech territories like French Guiana and Reunion are Overseas Departments, and are as much a part of France in terms of representation as Corsica is.

Posted by: logprof at April 23, 2017 04:46 PM (GsAUU)

I'm aware, and I want to grab them when France and/or the EU collapses to contain the madness to continental Europe.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 23, 2017 06:07 PM (vBeA5)

162 Her economic polices are for crap, but I'm still rooting for her, for what its worth

Posted by: Iblis at April 23, 2017 06:08 PM (9221z)

163 You watch that video and others, and there are no other ways of saying it..its fucking insane over there. Period. If she does not win, and who knows...and u have the tool Macron and Merkel running things....how would it be possible to pull Europe out of this? I dont think it is. I dont even know if its possible for Britain at this point. "They're" outbreeding them by insane numbers...so at some point in the near future, 'they' will just use the laws against the 'native' born and vote them all out. There either has to be some sort of insane deportation of millions of these people...or there's going to be a reckoning. But, I'm not even sure of that anymore, after the last 75 years of Europe cutting the balls off of every male or the majority of them. I used to think that the thing with Europe was....when push came to shove..they'd always slaughter whoever it was that needed slaughtering. But, now I'm just not sure if there's enough men to do the slaughtering. You're probably looking at some sort of 'Moorish' type occupation/ruling now. And the Moors lasted some 700 years in Spain. But, there were no AK's and semtex back then either lol...so, that might be that then.

As an aside...can we please get POTUS to start saying 'radical Islamic terror' again? I know baldy doesnt like it...but still.

Posted by: johny boy at April 23, 2017 06:11 PM (UNXWZ)

164 Every race, the FN does a little bit better. Every race, they are a bit more of a threat to the established parties. And, every race, their presence on the scene is more established itself.

Eventually, frustrated "right wing" French voters will decide that voting FN is better than voting for the socialist du jour.

That might not be today. But it will be someday, because the rest of the established parties will not address the issues that are driving FN.

Posted by: Revenant at April 23, 2017 06:14 PM (/wl5L)

165 Y'know, people keep saying that the "alphas" killed each other in WW1-2.
Ok, how do you explain Sweden? Stayed out of both wars, hell profited
from them too! And yet, they're more screwed than most. Methinks the
issue isn't as simple as "Alphas" and "Betas". Their cultures have been
so corroded by PC that they're ashamed and the population is so old that
they collectively don't have the ability fight back. I'll believe this
"Europe is Waking Up!" crap when one of these countries actually punches
back in a concrete way.

--

They saw the aftermath and costs of the 2nd world war and decided that nothing was worth the price of risking a third.

So, they'll get a third anyway, but they'll weaken themselves first trying not to get into one.

Posted by: Revenant at April 23, 2017 06:17 PM (/wl5L)

166 I am convinced that we will not get the actual truthful news about France thru the MSM. One, because they're too stupid to report it correctly, and two, because even if they did understand what's going on, they will lie.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 23, 2017 06:20 PM (0tfLf)

167 I don't even put quotes on Sargon of Akkad. He is more relevant than his nom de plume.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 23, 2017 06:22 PM (VdICR)

168 Y'know, people keep saying that the "alphas" killed each other in WW1-2. Ok, how do you explain Sweden?

-
They killed all their alphas during the Thirty Years War.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 23, 2017 06:27 PM (Nwg0u)

169 The science is settled!

http://tinyurl.com/lau8h45

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 23, 2017 06:35 PM (Nwg0u)

170 My son got back from a 2 week trip to Hungary and to Poland last week (and he was offered a job in Hungary before he left :-P ). He said it is all very lovely there (last time I was in Poland it was still communist, and "lovely" was not a word I'd have ever used), and yeah, while part of the EU but they want no part of the Muslim invasion.

My husband is always shocked that the French have not learned from their history with Algiers (his mom and brother were born in Algeria, and made the dash to the US while the rest of the family went to Paris in the 50s). He shakes his head constantly. We last went to France two years ago, and have no plans to return anytime soon.

Posted by: Ann at April 23, 2017 07:02 PM (kItYS)

171 I suspect FN will control a a version of the French Government at some point in the future. It might be the Free French Government, or East France, or something along those lines.

I think globalists have done so much damage to the current nation states in the West that they will simply fall apart. That might make a globalist happy, until they find out they have simply created new countries and national borders.

Posted by: William Eaton at April 23, 2017 07:43 PM (MuTTO)

172 76 This here is authentic Estab Republican logic not unlike "this is not the hill to die on."

Posted by: bill-o at April 23, 2017 10:35 PM (b7p1b)

173 "dibs on Bridget Bardot"

You can have her, she has turned into the national Crazy Cat Lady. Elle est compl�tement cingl�e!

Posted by: bill-o at April 23, 2017 10:53 PM (b7p1b)

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