Trump Wants Wall Funding Included In Must-Pass Stopgap Spending Bill; Republicans Cool to the Idea

The stopgap budget bill continues current levels of spending temporarily until a new complete budget is prepared and passed.

Trump wants to add the wall's funding to this because the bill must pass, otherwise, the government shuts down.

Republicans are cool to this idea, because they don't want to risk Democrats voting against the bill and shutting the government down (for some reason, Republicans get blamed when Democrats shut the government down), and because they don't actually want to fund the wall they authorized in 2006 and have been promising now for 11 years.

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1 Shocking.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 29, 2017 01:25 PM (LTHVh)

2 Fuck them, war

Posted by: MAC-SOG at March 29, 2017 01:25 PM (QPdNE)

3 Also First!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 29, 2017 01:25 PM (LTHVh)

4 Maybe the wall funding will be in Phase 3 of the stopgap spending bill.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 29, 2017 01:25 PM (KUaJL)

5 Gutless.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 29, 2017 01:25 PM (0mRoj)

6 The Red Rat Commie Bastards of the Democratic Party are our opponents. The Republican leadership is our enemy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 29, 2017 01:26 PM (LTHVh)

7 The RNCe has become the party of suck asses.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 29, 2017 01:26 PM (mpXpK)

8 I hope they all die on this hill.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at March 29, 2017 01:27 PM (tHwdc)

9 If Trump wants to be reelected, the one thing he HAS to do is build the friggin wall.

Posted by: tu3031 at March 29, 2017 01:27 PM (qJhUV)

10 also, In before the Republican Toadies!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 29, 2017 01:27 PM (LTHVh)

11 Paul Ryan needs to go.

This is a no-brainer, Trump promised a wall and it was his most iconic campaign promise. He won states Republicans haven't won in generations.

And a border fence was already funded and passed before Democrats stripped it out after the fact.

Fund the fucking wall.

Posted by: Maritime at March 29, 2017 01:27 PM (IeW7Z)

12 And they fully expect us to bite the bullet and vote for them.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 29, 2017 01:27 PM (mpXpK)

13 Bullshit

Posted by: Kaldar at March 29, 2017 01:28 PM (uA8nN)

14 We need to triple dog dare Schumer/Pelosi to shut down the government. This time the parks will stay open and non-essential government workers won't get paid for their vacation

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 29, 2017 01:28 PM (SIY7D)

15 The GOP is like the ex that you ended things with that, at the time, you thought was an 'amicable breakup.' Every day after, they just start looking crazier and crazier.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 29, 2017 01:28 PM (KUaJL)

16 Toadies ? Toadys ?

They both look strange.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 29, 2017 01:28 PM (LTHVh)

17 Here's a chance for the HFC to get back on good terms with Trump after they had a hand and have received most of the blame in the killing of the AHCA.

They could hold the line on this in the House, saying that they only want to help Trump keep his campaign promises.

They've already flexed their muscles once. Maybe this time it will lead to some positive change instead of a maintenance of the status quo.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 29, 2017 01:28 PM (GBcFH)

18 Toadies.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at March 29, 2017 01:29 PM (tHwdc)

19 In before someone drops in to explain why this is procedurally impossible?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 29, 2017 01:29 PM (kTF2Z)

20 Trump should have pushed to remove Paul Ryan when he was elected (thanks Mike Pence)

Ryan is either completely incompetent or passive aggressive trying to destroy his Presidency.

Posted by: Maritime at March 29, 2017 01:29 PM (IeW7Z)

21 Because Republican are a$$holes who want to deny Trump momentum lest he get all full of himself and start shutting down their DC-power/failure theater racket?!?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 29, 2017 01:30 PM (NOIQH)

22 14 We need to triple dog dare Schumer/Pelosi to shut down the government. This time the parks will stay open and non-essential government workers won't get paid for their vacation
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 29, 2017 01:28 PM (SIY7D)

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Since Trump's in charge and Bannon probably has a hand in planning how to treat any shutdown of a grand 17% of the federal government, I have to imagine that it'll alternately bring pain to Democratic constituencies and also feel pain free to most of the American public.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 29, 2017 01:30 PM (GBcFH)

23 Freedumb Caucus, Forward!

Posted by: RioBravo at March 29, 2017 01:30 PM (SsblQ)

24 I thought that all Federal construction projects were graft machines. Those CoC bribes must really be something to pass that up.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 29, 2017 01:30 PM (LTHVh)

25 20 Trump should have pushed to remove Paul Ryan when he was elected (thanks Mike Pence)

Ryan is either completely incompetent or passive aggressive trying to destroy his Presidency.
Posted by: Maritime at March 29, 2017 01:29 PM (IeW7Z)

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Well, he's no Henry Clay.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 29, 2017 01:30 PM (GBcFH)

26 The difference is Trump is willing to attack the Dems over shutting down the government.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 29, 2017 01:30 PM (Tnhbr)

27 The uni-party strikes again.

Posted by: USNtakim at March 29, 2017 01:31 PM (hMqvx)

28 Here's a chance for the HFC to get back on good terms with Trump after they had a hand and have received most of the blame in the killing of the AHCA.

They could hold the line on this in the House, saying that they only want to help Trump keep his campaign promises.

They've already flexed their muscles once. Maybe this time it will lead to some positive change instead of a maintenance of the status quo.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

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Except the Freedom Caucus is in bed with the NeverTrumper Koch Bros network, so I'm not holding my breath they will have much incentive from their money donors to do this.

But yea, this would put them back in the base's good graces.

Posted by: Maritime at March 29, 2017 01:31 PM (IeW7Z)

29 Ya know, I'm starting to think the GOP only paid lip service to these issues....

Posted by: Tradd at March 29, 2017 01:31 PM (GSJcT)

30 Obama managed to get a ton of money for things he wanted without Congressional approval, such as his Iran deal, DHS's open border shenanigans, etc.

I think I might be able to hold my nose and support Trump doing the same thing to fund the wall. Not that I want Trump to be lawless like Obama...

Posted by: Lizzy at March 29, 2017 01:31 PM (NOIQH)

31 Here is where Trump's power of persuasion will be truly tested. While he can't pass the bill himself, it's up to him to do whatever it takes to get this done. Dirty tricks, threats, gifts, whatever it takes. Hell, I'll take him supporting the primary opponent or even the democrat challenger to any sitting Republican that refuses to vote for this. Party means nothing-if no this why else did we vote for the Republicans?

Posted by: Alex #11 at March 29, 2017 01:32 PM (EUMt/)

32 The Republicans are willing to attack Trump over shutting down the government.

And thus, our boning.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 29, 2017 01:32 PM (LTHVh)

33 We ought to be building bridges, not constructing walls! Walls divide.

Posted by: Shia LaBeouf at March 29, 2017 01:32 PM (W8bn5)

34 I don't get why the GOP is afraid of a government shutdown. It didn't hurt them at all in the 2014 midterms. Oh right I forgot they don't really believe in what they sell.

Posted by: Independent George at March 29, 2017 01:32 PM (BDZWU)

35 Obligatory but we need the House to control spending whinging.

New heretical thought:

I'm actually pleased to see the legislative branch remembering that it is co-equal with the executive. The deference to the executive branch goes back to, what, FDR? So, yeah, saying, no, no, we're not going to do that just because you want us to do it is fine by me.

What's not fine by me is the GOP on the Federal level constantly face lying to me and then condescending back that I just don't know how politics works when I point out that they are liars.

How the heck can the GOP be relatively strong on the state level and this pile of mush on the Federal?

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 29, 2017 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

36 33 We ought to be building bridges, not constructing walls! Walls divide.
Posted by: Shia LaBeouf at March 29, 2017 01:32 PM (W8bn5)

Don't you have a flag to put up?

Posted by: 4chan /pol/ at March 29, 2017 01:33 PM (0mRoj)

37 Dems/repubs are the same side of a one sided coin.

Posted by: USNtakim at March 29, 2017 01:33 PM (hMqvx)

38 But yea, this would put them back in the base's good graces.

Hmm. Like a mirror image you and I.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 29, 2017 01:33 PM (LTHVh)

39 Shut it down. Trump goes on TV a month later and asks if anyone noticed. Also, I just saved the tax payer X billions of dollars. What's say we shut down even more?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 29, 2017 01:33 PM (kTF2Z)

40 Mexico will pay for the stopgap funding.

Posted by: thrill at March 29, 2017 01:34 PM (FTPpW)

41 We don't want a wall.

Posted by: US Chamber of Commerce at March 29, 2017 01:34 PM (Eu36q)

42 Somewhat related, so I'm bring this from last thread:

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267 >>I'm actually kind of serious.

You're going to need to bring everyone. We are pretty outnumbered here.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 29, 2017 01:27 PM (/tuJf)

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Whitehouse won his election in 2012 by 130,000 votes. So we'd have to get at least 130,000 eligible voters to move to Rhode Island to potentially unseat him.

Reed won his election in 2014 by roughly the same amount.

It seems impossible, but what could drive 65,000 married conservative couples to move to Rhode Island over the course of less than a decade?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 29, 2017 01:34 PM (GBcFH)

43 You know when you pay for Amazon Prime and if you use it enough, it pays for itself with the savings in shipping costs? The savings in welfare for illegals will more than pay for the wall.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at March 29, 2017 01:34 PM (rX06+)

44 Right now there are at least four fights going on in Washington DC

Establishment vs Trump
Republicans vs Democrats
Congress vs the President
Conservatives vs Moderates

Which means that you can never be sure whose on your side at any one time.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 29, 2017 01:35 PM (Tnhbr)

45 While I don't really give a crap about a wall, and think its empty symbolism... it is symbolic, and it would be a very powerful statement.

I love it when leftists talk about the terrain and how its impossible to build. Yeah. Tell that to the 3rd century BC Chinese, have you see those mountains? It held off Mongol invaders for nearly a thousand years.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 29, 2017 01:35 PM (39g3+)

46 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at March 29, 2017 01:35 PM (yMJnb)

47 defund planned parenthood while you're at it.

Posted by: ALH at March 29, 2017 01:35 PM (uLuPn)

48
If a Republican is willing to shut the government down over funding a wall (that already passed into law a decade ago) that will be a career ender for them, and they know it.

Posted by: Maritime at March 29, 2017 01:35 PM (IeW7Z)

49 28 Except the Freedom Caucus is in bed with the NeverTrumper Koch Bros network, so I'm not holding my breath they will have much incentive from their money donors to do this.

But yea, this would put them back in the base's good graces.
Posted by: Maritime at March 29, 2017 01:31 PM (IeW7Z)

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A lot of the base is happy with the HFC because they bested Paul Ryan and the sort of repeal of the ACA.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 29, 2017 01:35 PM (GBcFH)

50 The establishment Republicans hate Trump even more than they hated the Tea Party.

Really sickening. Oh well, time to pull a Lebowski and go bowling. Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Max Power at March 29, 2017 01:35 PM (q177U)

51 I considered abandoning that, but just because he's no longer President makes it no less true.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at March 29, 2017 01:36 PM (yMJnb)

52 How the heck can the GOP be relatively strong on the state level and this pile of mush on the Federal?

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 29, 2017 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

The people on the state level got elected to the fed and became infected. And so on and so on ...............

Posted by: MAC-SOG at March 29, 2017 01:36 PM (QPdNE)

53 Call the spending measure the "Don't shut down the government act of 2017".

Then dare the Dems to vote against it.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 29, 2017 01:36 PM (eSx+E)

54 Uniparty: Not just a figment of the Horde's imagination.

Posted by: simplemind at March 29, 2017 01:36 PM (xVRrG)

55 The best thing to come out of Trump winning (and continuing to do so) is calling Bullshit on the Replublicants.

Posted by: TheseGoTo11 at March 29, 2017 01:36 PM (/5Axw)

56 Right now there are at least four fights going on in Washington DC

Republicans vs Democrats

I'm not sure that's even a fight.

But yea, this would put them back in the base's good graces.

The base of Trump voters don't have a problem with the Freedom Caucus.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 29, 2017 01:36 PM (39g3+)

57 35 Obligatory but we need the House to control spending whinging.

New heretical thought:

I'm actually pleased to see the legislative branch remembering that it is co-equal with the executive. The deference to the executive branch goes back to, what, FDR? So, yeah, saying, no, no, we're not going to do that just because you want us to do it is fine by me.

What's not fine by me is the GOP on the Federal level constantly face lying to me and then condescending back that I just don't know how politics works when I point out that they are liars.

How the heck can the GOP be relatively strong on the state level and this pile of mush on the Federal?
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 29, 2017 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

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I'm also fine with this development, and if it's suddenly a thing I hope it remains a thing for a long time.

I also hope that those House Republicans who promised to repeal the ACA, build the wall, etc. can find new employment after a series of bitter primaries unseats a number of them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 29, 2017 01:36 PM (GBcFH)

58 The Republicans are balking at actually fulfilling a promise to the base?

This is my shocked face.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at March 29, 2017 01:37 PM (yMJnb)

59 This is not the Wall to die on....

Posted by: GOPe... can you say, Vichy? at March 29, 2017 01:37 PM (NgKpN)

60 While I don't really give a crap about a wall, and think its empty symbolism... it is symbolic, and it would be a very powerful statement.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

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If Trump can't deliver some sort of wall, he's probably a one termer and will forever be remembered as failing.

That is why the wall is important and the NeverTrump Republican caucus along with Democrats, knows that.

Posted by: Maritime at March 29, 2017 01:37 PM (IeW7Z)

61 How the heck can the GOP be relatively strong on the state level and this pile of mush on the Federal?
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Not so much money available for bribes at the state level generally.

Where there is you'll find Democrats or RINOs as well.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 29, 2017 01:37 PM (eSx+E)

62
The people on the state level got elected to the fed and became infected. And so on and so on ...............
Posted by: MAC-SOG at March 29, 2017 01:36 PM (QPdNE)

That's all I can figure.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 29, 2017 01:37 PM (mf5HN)

63 Just build the danged wall.

Posted by: John McCain, Totes Serious This Time at March 29, 2017 01:37 PM (j+dfT)

64 The people on the state level got elected to the fed and became infected. And so on and so on ...............
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The increased illumination does them no favors either.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 29, 2017 01:38 PM (SsblQ)

65 The hell with the wall.

I suggest, instead, a mile-wide ditch full of flaming tar.

Posted by: RKae at March 29, 2017 01:38 PM (4DpAT)

66 >>How the heck can the GOP be relatively strong on the state level and this pile of mush on the Federal?

After a certain number of years/decades in DC they stop representing their state and their party, they become most interested in whatever maintains/increases their power.

Immigration gets them campaign cash, a wall doesn't. A vote against wall funding might also be traded for a Dem colleague's vote for something Mr. RINO McMaverick wants passed that give him power (say, funding pork in AZ or SC to get re-elected).They could not care less about how that impacts people back in that state where they used to own a home in order to get a cushy job in DC.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 29, 2017 01:38 PM (NOIQH)

67 The wall already has funding. TFG never used it. That money is still available.

Posted by: ALH at March 29, 2017 01:38 PM (uLuPn)

68 Lol, everyone who isn't Trump's toothless hillbilly voter base knows that the wall can't be built until we have a minimum of 11 conservative justices on SCOTUS.

Posted by: mugiwara at March 29, 2017 01:38 PM (ZZKCQ)

69 The shutdown will be avoided if we install Hillary in her rightful place as President. Let's make it happen.

Posted by: Peter Daou at March 29, 2017 01:38 PM (OD2ni)

70

How the heck can the GOP be relatively strong on the state level and this pile of mush on the Federal?
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 29, 2017 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

It's like those articles, "Despite dropping crime rates prisons keep filling up." The Republican success at the state level means the party has a whole bunch of different ideologies that are only nominally unified. The GOP leadership at the national level doesn't know how to actually create a compromise that everyone will accept. When Obama was in the White House it didn't matter, you could pass symbolic legislation knowing that it would be vetoed. Now that the GOP has control of the government people are losing their collective shit.

Personally, I think these fights will be better for the GOP in the long run. There's a lot of pent up frustration that needs to be worked out before people can come to the negotiating table.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 29, 2017 01:38 PM (Tnhbr)

71 How the heck can the GOP be relatively strong on the state level and this pile of mush on the Federal?

What makes you think that state level GOP are any different than the Congressional GOP? Republicans control both houses of congress and the presidency right now at the federal level, but they are lousy on immigration. States are the same way.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 29, 2017 01:38 PM (39g3+)

72 The Koch bros. saved the HFC from folding to Trump on RynoCare. If it weren't for them we would be stuck w/thatCrapSandwich.
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Here's a chance for the HFC to get back on good terms with Trump after they had a hand and have received most of the blame in the killing of the AHCA. ...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 29, 2017 01:28 PM (GBcFH)

Trump needs to wake up and understand that the HFC represent what the majority of his voters think.

Posted by: gNewt at March 29, 2017 01:39 PM (fgzLM)

73 Has six years gone by already? Oh, oops, my bad.

*crowds mic*
*clears throat*

My friendssshhh...

JUST BUILD THE DANG WALL!!!!

Posted by: John McCain, Media Tool at March 29, 2017 01:39 PM (8ZskC)

74 14
We need to triple dog dare Schumer/Pelosi to shut down the government.
This time the parks will stay open and non-essential government workers
won't get paid for their vacation
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Exactly. Billy-fuck and Obama-dick had control over who and what back then.

Not now.

No sympathetic news stories this time.

The hallway-shitting, pron-surfing, surley, perpetual-lunch-break crowd don't make much for sob stories.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 29, 2017 01:39 PM (ZQpd0)

75 Trump Wants Wall Funding Included In Must-Pass Stopgap Spending Bill; Republicans Cool to the Idea

Right, because it's not important to keep campaign promises.

Open question for the Horde: What do you think is the percentage of Republicans serving in government at the national level that want Trump to fail?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 29, 2017 01:39 PM (wpfOJ)

76 How the heck can the GOP be relatively strong on the state level and this pile of mush on the Federal?

Because politicians at the state level are accountable to the base. With few exceptions, politicians at the National level (including the House, what with Jerrymandering and all) largely are not.

So why would the National GOP do anything hard? It keeps getting money, volunteers, and prestige without the effort.

I don't think they understand that the anger that led to "President Donald J Trump" is still out here, and if they refuse to fulfill all of those promises, it's only going to get worse.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at March 29, 2017 01:40 PM (yMJnb)

77 Open question for the Horde: What do you think is the percentage of Republicans serving in government at the national level that want Trump to fail?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 29, 2017 01:39 PM (wpfOJ)

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I'm thinking at least 50%.

Posted by: Flyboy at March 29, 2017 01:41 PM (ejukl)

78 Trump needs to wake up and understand that the HFC represent what the majority of his voters think.

Posted by: gNewt at March 29, 2017 01:39 PM (fgzLM)
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Trump needs to understand the Koch Brothers toadies are part of the smelly swamp.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 29, 2017 01:41 PM (SsblQ)

79 43 You know when you pay for Amazon Prime and if you use it enough, it pays for itself with the savings in shipping costs? The savings in welfare for illegals will more than pay for the wall.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at March 29, 2017 01:34 PM (rX06+)

Its not even welfare... its schooling...

It costs an average of 15K per year per student...

Stopping 250K illegal students from burdening the System, would pay for the Wall in about 5 years...

If they average 10 years in school here... we DOUBLE the investment we made in the Wall.

Posted by: Don Q at March 29, 2017 01:41 PM (NgKpN)

80 The people on the state level got elected to the fed and became infected. And so on and so on ...............
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Heh. That's what happened, they got "infected".

Posted by: Bob at the N.S.A. at March 29, 2017 01:41 PM (xVRrG)

81 Include the money and let the left shut the gov down or if the money is not there, PDT should Veto the Bill.

I don't see a down side to shutting the Gov down. Never did.

"We" ( whom ever "we" is?) won and we should start acting like it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 29, 2017 01:41 PM (SjImc)

82 defund planned parenthood while you're at it.
Posted by: ALH at March 29, 2017 01:35 PM (uLuPn)

Just wait now. We HAVE the money for THAT.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 29, 2017 01:42 PM (8ZskC)

83 "We need to triple dog dare Schumer/Pelosi to shut down the government. This time the parks will stay open and non-essential government workers won't get paid for their vacation"

Still very bitter at the Park Rangers in DC over the last shutdown. And F the "just following orders" BS. They were loving the power to block people.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 29, 2017 01:42 PM (OD2ni)

84 Open question for the Horde: What do you think is the percentage of Republicans serving in government at the national level that want Trump to fail?

>50%
80% wouldn't surprise me.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at March 29, 2017 01:42 PM (yMJnb)

85 Look, they can't get anything passed without 99 senate seats and 434 in the house. It.Just.Can't.Be.Done.

Not with ten thousand men could you do this.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 29, 2017 01:42 PM (kTF2Z)

86 Trump needs to wake up and understand that the HFC represent what the majority of his voters think.
Posted by: gNewt at March 29, 2017 01:39 PM (fgzLM)

+1000

Ding ding ding... you winz the intertubes!!!!

Posted by: Don Q at March 29, 2017 01:42 PM (NgKpN)

87 Why is it that the wall is the ONLY government project that has caused the left to ask, "How are we going to pay for this?"

Posted by: RKae at March 29, 2017 01:43 PM (4DpAT)

88 45 While I don't really give a crap about a wall, and think its empty symbolism... it is symbolic, and it would be a very powerful statement.

I love it when leftists talk about the terrain and how its impossible to build. Yeah. Tell that to the 3rd century BC Chinese, have you see those mountains? It held off Mongol invaders for nearly a thousand years.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 29, 2017 01:35 PM (39g3+)

Furthermore, this desire to put up border walls is of course not limited to the US. Mexico aside, since that's been discussed at length, check out what India wants to do with one of its very poor neighbors (Bangladesh) and one of its neighbors with which its been at war with at least 3x in the past 70 years (Pakistan).

http://tinyurl.com/mswgme9

Posted by: Snake Plissken at March 29, 2017 01:43 PM (nGsFZ)

89 Scratch a Republican and you get a Democrat.
Scratch a Democrat and you get a Communist.

Posted by: Scratch 'n Sniff, Now with More Stench of Betrayal at March 29, 2017 01:43 PM (qYCgM)

90 We're the country that prioritizes killing our own babies over protecting our sovereignty.

Don't see much of a future there.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 29, 2017 01:43 PM (8ZskC)

91 Plus the cost of prison time for illegals, plus the expense in tracking and hunting them down, deporting, etc. Illegals give us cheap labor which brings down prices in some areas (farms, restaurants, etc), but that's more than offset by the expenses they incur. Then there are intangibles like the cost of identity theft and corrosion to society of lawbreakers being ignored by the justice system.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 29, 2017 01:43 PM (39g3+)

92 How about if we create an option on our tax returns to designate whatever amount of our taxes we wish to go to funding the wall. In the way we can indicate a couple bucks go to the presidential campaign fund.

Posted by: Texas Dan at March 29, 2017 01:43 PM (yL25O)

93 >50%
80% wouldn't surprise me.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at March 29, 2017 01:42 PM (yMJnb)
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Certainly > 50%

Posted by: RioBravo at March 29, 2017 01:44 PM (SsblQ)

94 Paging the Freedum-dum Caucus, Free Dum-dum caucus to the white courtesy phone.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at March 29, 2017 01:44 PM (ul9CR)

95 The average healthcare costs for every man, woman, and child in the usa is about $9,500 a year.

Most Americans pay toward that cost in some fashion.

Some people don't pay toward that cost in any fashion. They shift that cost onto people who can't afford the $9,500 a year.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 29, 2017 01:44 PM (ZFUt7)

96 Help me understand how Democrats can shut down the Federal Government when Republicans control both houses of Congress and the Presidency.

Posted by: Son of Phil E. Buster at March 29, 2017 01:45 PM (qYCgM)

97 Could you extract funding for federal employees and attach that to the wall?

So you fund the EPA for example in a "clean bill" which pays to keep the building open then let the Dems decide whether to pay the employees or not.

When the FSM talks about shutting down the government, point out that it is fully open, their is just a delay in writing the checks for "non essential employees".

Posted by: 18-1 at March 29, 2017 01:45 PM (eSx+E)

98 We're the country that prioritizes killing our own babies over protecting our sovereignty.

Don't see much of a future there.

Its consistent across western civilization. Its doomed, barring an act of God.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 29, 2017 01:45 PM (39g3+)

99 Why is it that the wall is the ONLY government project that has caused the left to ask, "How are we going to pay for this?"
Posted by: RKae

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Exactly, it's probably what we spend every 4 weeks subsidizing ObamaCare.

But it's not just Democrats, you'd be amazed how many TruCon Republicans are against it for fiscal reasons, but will then tell you how we need 8 new aircraft carriers so we can better patrol the rest of the world.

Posted by: Maritime at March 29, 2017 01:45 PM (IeW7Z)

100 >>92
How about if we create an option on our tax returns to designate
whatever amount of our taxes we wish to go to funding the wall. In the
way we can indicate a couple bucks go to the presidential campaign fund. Posted by: Texas Dan at March 29, 2017 01:43 PM (yL25O)

Alternatively, Zod will purchase one of the Lowes Aztecs and send him south to help construct the wall.

Posted by: General Zod at March 29, 2017 01:45 PM (Bdeb0)

101 Help me understand how Democrats can shut down the Federal Government when Republicans control both houses of Congress and the Presidency.
Posted by: Son of Phil E. Buster at March 29, 2017 01:45 PM (qYCgM)

Because "we" are suppose to play by the rules, while they can do any old damn thing they want. Didn't you get the memo?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 29, 2017 01:46 PM (SjImc)

102 83 "We need to triple dog dare Schumer/Pelosi to shut down the government. This time the parks will stay open and non-essential government workers won't get paid for their vacation"

Still very bitter at the Park Rangers in DC over the last shutdown. And F the "just following orders" BS. They were loving the power to block people.
Posted by: Benji Carver at March 29, 2017 01:42 PM (OD2ni)

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The recreation of the Charles Pinckney's house is a federal site just off of Long Point Road in Mount Pleasant, SC.

It's got a little gate to the parking lot right off of the backroad that leads to it. That arm of a gate is usually down when the place is close and up when open. Why it's even there is another question, but during the last shutdown, not only was the gate closed, but a sign had been put out front explaining why it was closed.

It was obvious and most likely done for some level of effect.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 29, 2017 01:46 PM (GBcFH)

103 How the heck can the GOP be relatively strong on the state level and this pile of mush on the Federal?
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Because at the state level, they've had real jobs that required sweat and physical labor. They've had to work.

At the Fed level, far too many have never had any job outside of government.

And, I always said one of the best reasons to support Trump was we'd see a roll-back of Executive power to the levels not seen since Adams--as both parties hate him.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 29, 2017 01:46 PM (ZQpd0)

104 You know what?

I don't want "A Wall" at the moment.

I'll settle for a 'rabbit proof fence' type of deal. Six feet tall. Maybe eight.

Barbed wire. Doesn't even have to be all that barbed.

Just a start ...

Some sort of fucking start of a fucking notion that there's a god-damn delineation between the two countries.

I checked Tractor Supply Co. $50,000,000 buys an ass-load of fencing. They might even give a discount.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 29, 2017 01:46 PM (om8sC)

105 65 The hell with the wall.

I suggest, instead, a mile-wide ditch full of flaming tar.
Posted by: RKae at March 29, 2017 01:38 PM (4DpAT)

Mile deep, too.

Posted by: Texas Dan at March 29, 2017 01:46 PM (yL25O)

106 87 Why is it that the wall is the ONLY government project that has caused the left to ask, "How are we going to pay for this?"
Posted by: RKae at March 29, 2017 01:43 PM (4DpAT)

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Someone's forgetting Congressional Inquiries into Obama Administration wrongdoing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 29, 2017 01:47 PM (GBcFH)

107 ...but will then tell you how we need 8 new aircraft carriers so we can better patrol the rest of the world.

Posted by: Maritime

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All our carriers, our stealth bombers, our high tech weaponry...

...and we can't beat a bunch of pirates in dirty nightshirts living in caves.

Posted by: RKae at March 29, 2017 01:47 PM (4DpAT)

108 Because politicians at the state level are accountable to the base. With few exceptions, politicians at the National level (including the House, what with Jerrymandering and all) largely are not.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at March 29, 2017 01:40 PM (yMJnb)

In my state - It's the eMachine. It controls who wins the primaries.

Posted by: gNewt at March 29, 2017 01:47 PM (fgzLM)

109 Its consistent across western civilization. Its doomed, barring an act of God.

I don't think when God acts, He's going to be saving Western Civilization. Just sayin'.

Help me understand how Democrats can shut down the Federal Government when Republicans control both houses of Congress and the Presidency.

Because reasons, young man. Because reasons. Pay no attention to that Chamber of Commerce behind the curtain.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at March 29, 2017 01:47 PM (yMJnb)

110 Help me understand how Democrats can shut down the Federal Government when Republicans control both houses of Congress and the Presidency.
Posted by: Son of Phil E. Buster at March 29, 2017 01:45 PM (qYCgM)
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> 50% Republicans dumber than shiite legislatively

Posted by: RioBravo at March 29, 2017 01:47 PM (SsblQ)

111 Will it be possible to see the Trump wall from space?

Posted by: Northernlurker at March 29, 2017 01:48 PM (hJrjt)

112 Sigh.

Can we get rid of Paul Ryan?

Seems like things might be better without a Faux Democrat as the Republican Speaker of the House.

Posted by: shibumi at March 29, 2017 01:48 PM (FkAXz)

113 Open question for the Horde: What do you think is the percentage of Republicans serving in government at the national level that want Trump to fail?

At least half and as much as 3/4ths, especially the leadership and those with the longest tenure who will take being 2nd banana to the Dems over having power removed from D.C.

How long will it take Trump to realize he cannot make deals with these clowns?

Posted by: SMOD Keeper at March 29, 2017 01:48 PM (onq2p)

114 Help me understand how Democrats can shut down the Federal Government when Republicans control both houses of Congress and the Presidency.

Faking a filibuster by declaring they are going to have one and the spineless wretches in the Senate will say "gawrsh okay, its filibustered."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 29, 2017 01:48 PM (39g3+)

115 My other Wall Plan is this:

Start building "The Wall" in places that want it.

To my mind, that creates illegal immigrant funnels that run right through Blue Cities and Voters.

Back stop 'The Wall" with "The Check Points" which encourage illegal immigrants to stay in the cities which didn't want the wall.

But at least The Wall starts getting built.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 29, 2017 01:48 PM (om8sC)

116 55
The best thing to come out of Trump winning (and continuing to do so) is calling Bullshit on the Replublicants.
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What's that saying?

Something like, "most Republicans are just Democrats who aren't talented enough to run as Democrats."

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 29, 2017 01:49 PM (ZQpd0)

117 It's got a little gate to the parking lot right off of the backroad that leads to it. That arm of a gate is usually down when the place is close and up when open. Why it's even there is another question, but during the last shutdown, not only was the gate closed, but a sign had been put out front explaining why it was closed.

It was obvious and most likely done for some level of effect.\
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This, in a nutshell, is another reason why you don't want the government in charge of providing goods/services. They will hold them hostage.

Posted by: Bob at the N.S.A. at March 29, 2017 01:49 PM (xVRrG)

118 "The average healthcare costs for every man, woman, and child in the usa is about $9,500 a year.
Most Americans pay toward that cost in some fashion."

It's mostly paid by (1) employers directly, but workers indirectly, and (2) payroll taxes. The increasing burden is a disincentive to hire American for jobs that have international competition.

It's even worse if you're self-employed because OCare puts you in the risk pool with the people who are the equivalent of the driver who totals a Mercedes every year

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 29, 2017 01:49 PM (SIY7D)

119 for some reason, Republicans get blamed when Democrats shut the government down

MFM: For the life of us, we can't figure out why they always get the blame

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 29, 2017 01:49 PM (493sH)

120 Just remember: All these years we've been lectured that we can't build a wall, your state has been building and maintaining walls along its highways.

Seem to recall reading that we have 3x or more miles in highway walls in this country than than the length of the Southern border. Huh.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 29, 2017 01:49 PM (NOIQH)

121 Help me understand how Democrats can shut down the Federal Government when Republicans control both houses of Congress and the Presidency.

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Collins, Murkowski, McCain, Graham.....

Posted by: Flyboy at March 29, 2017 01:49 PM (ejukl)

122 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at March 29, 2017 01:36 PM (yMJnb)

AllenG! Where's the next book in your series? Are you at least working on it in your copious (yes, I'm joking) free time?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 29, 2017 01:49 PM (sEDyY)

123 *waves to Allen*

Personally, I think these fights will be better for the GOP in the long run. There's a lot of pent up frustration that needs to be worked out before people can come to the negotiating table.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 29, 2017 01:38 PM (Tnhbr)

I agree with that 100%.

I think it's a bad thing that the Dems vote as a monolith and it's equally bad for the Republicans to do so. I don't want hive mind on things, I want debate. If something is bad, then I don't want people to support it just because it's My Team and if it's good I don't want people to oppose it just because it's Their Team.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 29, 2017 01:49 PM (mf5HN)

124 oops
off soft tyranny of technology sock

Posted by: simplemind at March 29, 2017 01:50 PM (xVRrG)

125 I despise the use of "cool" as an adjective.

Just sayin.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 29, 2017 01:50 PM (9IM0p)

126 The cost of prison care is the fault of SCOTUS.
They ruled requiring them to work to be in violation of their civil rights. Before the SCOTUS ruling many state (flyover country) prison systems were self supporting.

Posted by: gNewt at March 29, 2017 01:50 PM (fgzLM)

127 Help me understand how Democrats can shut down the Federal Government
when Republicans control both houses of Congress and the Presidency.
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There's Republicans, and then there's "republicans."

AKA "RINOS" or "Uniparty."

Posted by: shibumi at March 29, 2017 01:50 PM (FkAXz)

128
Chain link face with cameras every 100 feet. Let the 4chan peeps crowd source enforcement notification.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 29, 2017 01:50 PM (ZFUt7)

129 repukes as obstructionists? must be wednesday. we'll never learn. clap, please.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 29, 2017 01:51 PM (KP5rU)

130 87 Why is it that the wall is the ONLY government project that has caused the left to ask, "How are we going to pay for this?"
Posted by: RKae at March 29, 2017 01:43 PM (4DpAT)

Yep. Isn't this pure unadulterated job creation? That's what we're always told.

Having now done one border crossing project I do fear what a boondoggle this will become. But we have to try.

Posted by: Texas Dan at March 29, 2017 01:51 PM (yL25O)

131 58
The Republicans are balking at actually fulfilling a promise to the base?
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I remember well their campaign to restore and fund the Im-Ex Bank, don't you?

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 29, 2017 01:51 PM (ZQpd0)

132 I despise the use of "cool" as an adjective.

Just sayin.
Posted by: Marcus T

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I prefer: nifty, spiffy and groovy.

Seriously.

"Cool" irritates me.

Posted by: RKae at March 29, 2017 01:51 PM (4DpAT)

133 Cornyn was tripping all over his dick trying to explain this. It was actually- Sad!

Posted by: Marcus T at March 29, 2017 01:51 PM (9IM0p)

134 How about a moat with sharks instead of a wall? We could also plant sticker bushes all along the border as a second barrier.

Posted by: Weasel at March 29, 2017 01:51 PM (C8aCP)

135 All our carriers, our stealth bombers, our high tech weaponry...

...and we can't beat a bunch of pirates in dirty nightshirts living in caves.
Posted by: RKae at March 29, 2017 01:47 PM (4DpAT)

Sure we can...just let the Military take off the gloves. It's the ROEs that are killing us-LITERALLY!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 29, 2017 01:51 PM (SjImc)

136 AllenG! Where's the next book in your series? Are you at least working on it in your copious (yes, I'm joking) free time?

I had a bout of what I can only call "deep depression" (no, I didn't get help for it. What do I look like, a sane person?) that I'm only just clawing out of. I've started on it now, though.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at March 29, 2017 01:51 PM (yMJnb)

137 Start building "The Wall" in places that want it.

To my mind, that creates illegal immigrant funnels that run right through Blue Cities and Voters.

Back stop 'The Wall" with "The Check Points" which encourage illegal immigrants to stay in the cities which didn't want the wall.

But at least The Wall starts getting built.
Posted by: BumperStickerist

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Or we could just build the entire wall and let these 3rd world shit holes scream about it and not be able to do anything about it.

Posted by: Maritime at March 29, 2017 01:52 PM (IeW7Z)

138 No quarter.

Posted by: setnaffa at March 29, 2017 01:52 PM (Ba8Wz)

139 123
I agree with that 100%.

I think it's a bad thing that the Dems vote as a monolith and it's equally bad for the Republicans to do so. I don't want hive mind on things, I want debate. If something is bad, then I don't want people to support it just because it's My Team and if it's good I don't want people to oppose it just because it's Their Team.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 29, 2017 01:49 PM (mf5HN)

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Having these fights out in the open forces more constituencies to chose sides.

The Democratic Party's fights seem to be more internal and hidden from the world so that the lower levels of the party will only hear from the victors, pissing off the losers and maybe even driving them from the party completely.

Our fight isn't a good thing for short term politics, but a healthy thing. I'm just kind of tired of it. Haven't we been in constant battle since the rise of the Tea Party?

Could one side win, please?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 29, 2017 01:52 PM (GBcFH)

140 Republicans are cool to this idea, because they don't want to risk Democrats voting against the bill and shutting the government down (for some reason, Republicans get blamed when Democrats shut the government down), and because they don't actually want to fund the wall they authorized in 2006 and have been promising now for 11 years.

Observe my surprised face.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 29, 2017 01:52 PM (X6fMO)

141 *sigh* And so quickly it's over.
Back to working at work.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at March 29, 2017 01:53 PM (yMJnb)

142 Old and busted: Repeal Obamacare! Build the wall! We've actually passed bills!

New hotness: we don't need it fast, we need it right" and hold on now doggies, paying for that dang wall might anger our friends the Democrats.

Sad!

Posted by: Marcus T at March 29, 2017 01:54 PM (9IM0p)

143 So Mexico won't be paying?

Let them shut it down. Who cares?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 29, 2017 01:54 PM (/tuJf)

144 there is no one in either house serving the people. none. they are only there to fill their pockets while feeding leviathon. we can all fuck off and die if were up to them. then they will tax the fuck out of our corpse. they are all sons of satan. think differently at your peril.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 29, 2017 01:55 PM (KP5rU)

145 14 We need to triple dog dare Schumer/Pelosi to shut down the government. This time the parks will stay open and non-essential government workers won't get paid for their vacation
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 29, 2017 01:28 PM (SIY7D)

Plus, now that we know which government workers are not essential ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 29, 2017 01:55 PM (SRKgf)

146 CNN Online is actually fact-checking Sean Spicer's comment that if PDT puts Russian Dressing on his salad, the press would find a nefarious Russian connection.

The Verdict: Russian Dressing isn't actually Russian, and most people do not put it on salads anyways. So Sean Spicer is a lying liar and a poopy-head.

This is CNN.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at March 29, 2017 01:55 PM (ul9CR)

147 Help me understand how Democrats can shut down the Federal Government when Republicans control both houses of Congress and the Presidency.

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Collins, Murkowski, McCain, Graham.....
Posted by: Flyboy

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If they try to shut the government down over a border wall, they know their career is over.

They won't get through their next primary.

Even the RINOs CLAIM to not have a problem with better border enforcement, it was always what to do with the people already here.

Posted by: Maritime at March 29, 2017 01:55 PM (IeW7Z)

148 But we do write great fundraising letters.

Posted by: The GOP at March 29, 2017 01:55 PM (eHs+6)

149 I dunno. After Trump's budget, is there really that much to shut down?

Posted by: Marcus T at March 29, 2017 01:56 PM (9IM0p)

150 87
Why is it that the wall is the ONLY government project that has caused the left to ask, "How are we going to pay for this?"
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He should just call it a High Speed Rail Project for the Future of Our Children and Education.
With the route for the first leg from Brownsville, TX to San Diego, CA.

Lordy, that'd be hilarious.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 29, 2017 01:56 PM (ZQpd0)

151 Since Trump's in charge and Bannon probably has a hand in planning how to treat any shutdown of a grand 17% of the federal government, I have to imagine that it'll alternately bring pain to Democratic constituencies and also feel pain free to most of the American public.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 29, 2017 01:30 PM (GBcFH)

Oooh, let it be so!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 29, 2017 01:56 PM (SRKgf)

152
Trish Regan is doing a story about sanctuary cities. The sound is off but they're were interviewing the Dem mayor of San Antonio. I'm taking it he's against the law

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 29, 2017 01:57 PM (493sH)

153 147
If they try to shut the government down over a border wall, they know their career is over.

They won't get through their next primary.

Even the RINOs CLAIM to not have a problem with better border enforcement, it was always what to do with the people already here.
Posted by: Maritime at March 29, 2017 01:55 PM (IeW7Z)

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Please...Collins lose in Maine because she wouldn't fund a border wall?

McCain yes. I could believe that. No amount of gruff ads would fix that. But if McCain is actually looking to retire...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 29, 2017 01:57 PM (GBcFH)

154 I had a bout of what I can only call "deep depression" (no, I didn't get help for it. What do I look like, a sane person?) that I'm only just clawing out of. I've started on it now, though.

I know how that feels, Allen. It's a fucking killer.

Good to see you back.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 29, 2017 01:57 PM (X6fMO)

155 The Verdict: Russian Dressing isn't actually Russian, and most people do not put it on salads anyways. So Sean Spicer is a lying liar and a poopy-head.

This is CNN.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at March 29, 2017 01:55 PM (ul9CR)

Sean Spicer: is he really Sean Spider? Our shocking report is up next.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 29, 2017 01:57 PM (8nWyX)

156 If these people had a set of balls between them, they'd actually be men.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 29, 2017 01:58 PM (9IM0p)

157 Apologies in advance to those with autistic family members.

CNN Online is actually fact-checking Sean Spicer's comment that if PDT puts Russian Dressing on his salad, the press would find a nefarious Russian connection.

The Verdict: Russian Dressing isn't actually Russian, and most people do not put it on salads anyways. So Sean Spicer is a lying liar and a poopy-head.

This is CNN.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at March 29, 2017 01:55 PM (ul9CR)

The weaponized autists at /pol/ are all dude literal much.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 29, 2017 01:58 PM (mf5HN)

158 Open question for the Horde: What do you think is the percentage of Republicans serving in government at the national level that want Trump to fail?
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Between 99 and 100

Posted by: The GOP at March 29, 2017 01:58 PM (eHs+6)

159 I don't blame anyone when the government shuts down... I give credit.

Posted by: zmdavid at March 29, 2017 01:58 PM (xqRaG)

160 I am tired of winning because it's always been false hope. I'm a tolerant social conservative but that tolerance has allowed the defeat of the country. You give these immoral cretins an inch and they will take a million miles. What good is a wall when transgenders are a privileged group. Where baby murderers are funded by my tax money? Where Christian bakers are prosecuted and sodomites are celebrated? Laws are on the books now that support and encourage immorality and will never be reversed. They say continue to fight for your country. I say what country would I be fighting for?

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 29, 2017 01:58 PM (yIPKR)

161 He should just call it a High Speed Rail Project for the Future of Our Children and Education.
With the route for the first leg from Brownsville, TX to San Diego, CA.

Lordy, that'd be hilarious.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 29, 2017 01:56 PM (ZQpd0)

The Bullets Train.

Posted by: Texas Dan at March 29, 2017 01:58 PM (yL25O)

162 This is is. Trump cannot cave. He needs to bring the open border, establishment, always wrong and stupid, chamber of commerce republicans to heel.
Call them out.
He should hold a press conference and say he is going to have a "lobby-cam" installed in congress so citizens can see whose needs senators and congressmen incorrectly think are their priorities. He also should publicly remind these people not to be afraid. He is the prime example that money in politics doesn't count as much as addressing the wants of the electorate.

Posted by: Flowerbelle1 at March 29, 2017 01:58 PM (AkAvN)

163 I think it's a bad thing that the Dems vote as a monolith and it's equally bad for the Republicans to do so. I don't want hive mind on things, I want debate. If something is bad, then I don't want people to support it just because it's My Team and if it's good I don't want people to oppose it just because it's Their Team.

It's not necessarily a matter of "bad" versus "good", but one of priorities and of trust. I think Trump would have followed through with the Ryancare plan and eliminated Obamacare gradually over the course of several years. I also don't blame conservatives for not buying into it because the GOP has screwed conservatives time and again.

Neither side trusts one another, so neither side is willing to make compromises.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 29, 2017 01:59 PM (Tnhbr)

164 Republicans are afraid they are going to get cut out of the cocktail circuit, aren't they.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 29, 2017 01:59 PM (9IM0p)

165 This is one part where I gotta admit Trump did something stupid just to get a short term boost, and now it's hurting him.

That was the whole "Mexico is gonna pay for it" thing. He said that because he had no plans for funding it, and didn't want to admit the obvious, that either taxes are gonna be raised or funding taken from something else if we want it built. But it was always a really, really stupid thing to say "Mexico will pay for it". It's like saying "Space Aliens will pay for it" - it just kicked the can down the road to where he thought it would be easier to deal with.

But now here we are, a few months later, and NOBODY has been building a case to the American people that we need to make a big budget adjustment to pay for this thing, not even Trump. And that is a real leadership failure on his part that may doom the entire project.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 29, 2017 01:59 PM (KeRkT)

166

I can see it's gonna' take a woman to get that wall built. Vote for me in 2020!!

Posted by: Chelsey Clinton at March 29, 2017 02:00 PM (HSmrB)

167 165 This is one part where I gotta admit Trump did something stupid just to get a short term boost, and now it's hurting him.

That was the whole "Mexico is gonna pay for it" thing. He said that because he had no plans for funding it, and didn't want to admit the obvious, that either taxes are gonna be raised or funding taken from something else if we want it built. But it was always a really, really stupid thing to say "Mexico will pay for it". It's like saying "Space Aliens will pay for it" - it just kicked the can down the road to where he thought it would be easier to deal with.

But now here we are, a few months later, and NOBODY has been building a case to the American people that we need to make a big budget adjustment to pay for this thing, not even Trump. And that is a real leadership failure on his part that may doom the entire project.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 29, 2017 01:59 PM (KeRkT)

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Why is there no bill to tax remittances from the US to Mexico being worked on? Have I just missed it?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 29, 2017 02:00 PM (GBcFH)

168 143 So Mexico won't be paying?

Let them shut it down. Who cares?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 29, 2017 01:54 PM (/tuJf)

I say again: withhold tax from remittances to Mexico that can be reclaimed if/when the person files his personal income taxes, along with proof of legal residency.

Mexico would jump so fast to build the wall that they'd step on their own dicks.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 29, 2017 02:00 PM (SRKgf)

169 Factoid:
Mexico has per capita health care costs about 10% of the USA.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 29, 2017 02:01 PM (ZFUt7)

170 Why is there no bill to tax remittances from the US to Mexico being worked on? Have I just missed it?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 29, 2017 02:00 PM (GBcFH)

Brother from another mother.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 29, 2017 02:01 PM (SRKgf)

171 Russian dressing...
I just want to point out that there is Russian Hill AND Russian River in California. What are Nana Pelosi and Maimus Waters hiding ???

Posted by: runner at March 29, 2017 02:01 PM (c6/9Q)

172 we're "principled" on healthcare. But the border, meh.

Signed,
The Clown Caucus

Posted by: Marcus T at March 29, 2017 02:01 PM (9IM0p)

173
The Great Wall of China gets a lot of tourists. Build something similar and charge admission to walk along the top. Get back your costs in no time.

Posted by: Gift Shop Winning at March 29, 2017 02:01 PM (CFAp3)

174 Open question for the Horde: What do you think is the percentage of Republicans serving in government at the national level that want Trump to fail?
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Between 99 and 100
--

I'm more optimistic. I'll go with 95%.

You see, Trump is NOT a politician.

Politicians think the only people who can do their ultra difficult job are ... politicians.

If Trump is successful, he will prove that anyone can be a politician, and that they are really playing Grown Up Student Council.

So he must fail to prove that they are Special Snowflakes.

Posted by: shibumi at March 29, 2017 02:01 PM (FkAXz)

175 how are mccain, oconnell, miss lindsey and their followers any different than schumer? they aren't. knob gobblers.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 29, 2017 02:01 PM (KP5rU)

176 170 Why is there no bill to tax remittances from the US to Mexico being worked on? Have I just missed it?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 29, 2017 02:00 PM (GBcFH)

Brother from another mother.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 29, 2017 02:01 PM (SRKgf)

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My man...

*said like Denzel in American Gangster*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 29, 2017 02:02 PM (GBcFH)

177 I remain convinced we could easily fund this project with donations.

And volunteer labor.

It would be like the exiles returning to rebuild the wall of Jerusalem.

Posted by: Texas Dan at March 29, 2017 02:02 PM (yL25O)

178 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at March 29, 2017 01:51 PM (yMJnb)

Glad things are starting to look brighter. I'm definitely looking forward to the next installment of the story.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 29, 2017 02:02 PM (sEDyY)

179 Seems to me publicizing John Cornyn's resistance is probably a good way to get him to change course and support this funding.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 29, 2017 02:02 PM (tVWQB)

180 174; i'll take 110% for the win.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 29, 2017 02:03 PM (KP5rU)

181 175 how are mccain, oconnell, miss lindsey and their followers any different than schumer? they aren't. knob gobblers.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 29, 2017 02:01 PM (KP5rU)

=================

When they vote to nuke the filibuster for SCOTUS appointees to get Gorsuch through, then you'll find a strange new respect for them.

I will last roughly 10 minutes, but it will be a confusing and terrifying ten minutes.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 29, 2017 02:03 PM (GBcFH)

182 It's been in a fight since Clinton. Gingrich/DeLay winning a respite. Many conservatives were unhappy with Bush but supported him not realizing what an establishment schmuck he was. He did us no favors.

Shutting down the government. How many times was it shut down during Reagan's presidency? - Shut it down and when they squeal double down.

Posted by: gNewt at March 29, 2017 02:03 PM (fgzLM)

183 Has AtC seen this?

http://climateerinvest.blogspot.com/2017/03/best-actual-court-filing-this-week.html

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 29, 2017 02:03 PM (Tnhbr)

184 The wall revenue from Mexico is part of the draft tax bill. It places a 20% tax on imports which at current levels raises about $10 b.

That's enough to pay for the wall.

It's also not unreasonable. About 150 countries charge a 20% import tax.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 29, 2017 02:03 PM (9IM0p)

185 May I point out that the Democrats LITERALLY cannot shut down the government unless the Republicans allow them to. Change the damn rules to only require 51 votes on everything and the Democrats become irrelevant.

Once again, the Republicans are using the rules that they control as an excuse not to do something that the voters want.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 29, 2017 02:03 PM (qf8IB)

186 173
The Great Wall of China gets a lot of tourists. Build something similar and charge admission to walk along the top. Get back your costs in no time.
Posted by: Gift Shop Winning at March 29, 2017 02:01 PM (CFAp3)

Just for fun, open up a "South of the Border" on it.

Posted by: josephistan at March 29, 2017 02:03 PM (7HtZB)

187 Maybe the wall funding will be in Phase 3 of the stopgap spending bill.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 29, 2017 01:25 PM (KUaJL)

Which will be passed on the 12th of Never.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 29, 2017 02:04 PM (qf8IB)

188 173
The Great Wall of China gets a lot of tourists. Build something similar and charge admission to walk along the top. Get back your costs in no time.
Posted by: Gift Shop Winning at March 29, 2017 02:01 PM (CFAp3)

you been to McAllen Texas lately?

Nobody is going there to walk on a wall unless the gift shop is staffed by nude Kate Upton clones. And even then weekdays would be slow.

Posted by: Texas Dan at March 29, 2017 02:04 PM (yL25O)

189 >>And volunteer labor.
It would be like the exiles returning to rebuild the wall of Jerusalem. Posted by: Texas Dan at March 29, 2017 02:02 PM (yL25O)

Prison labor. "Paco, that's Boss Trump's dirt in that ditch. What's his dirt doin' in that ditch? You better gitcha a shovel an' get it out of there."

Posted by: General Zod at March 29, 2017 02:04 PM (Bdeb0)

190 Russian Dressing isn't actually Russian, and most people do not put it on salads anyways. So Sean Spicer is a lying liar and a poopy-head.

This is CNN.

+++++++++++
Exactly - Russian Dressing isn't Russian just cause you call it Russian. Just like there's no "Russia connection" just cause you say so.

CNN: Impervious to Reality

Posted by: simplemind at March 29, 2017 02:05 PM (xVRrG)

191 >>Mexico has per capita health care costs about 10% of the USA.

Might that be based on health care availability/variety of services offered?
For example, getting an MRI or a major heart surgery is expensive; you can eliminate the costs of those *by not offering them* to patients. Savings!!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 29, 2017 02:05 PM (NOIQH)

192
I say again: withhold tax from remittances to Mexico that can be
reclaimed if/when the person files his personal income taxes, along with
proof of legal residency.

Mexico would jump so fast to build the wall that they'd step on their own dicks.
==========
So, in addition to having the first spending project the Dems have ever opposed, we'd also have the first tax the Dems have ever opposed.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 29, 2017 02:05 PM (ZQpd0)

193 >>> Its not even welfare... its schooling...

It costs an average of 15K per year per student...

Stopping 250K illegal students from burdening the System, would pay for the Wall in about 5 years...

If they average 10 years in school here... we DOUBLE the investment we made in the Wall.
........

Hahaha. You're right, of course... if we lived in a rational, honest world.

Unfortunately your scenario assumes teachers unions, etc. will give the money back that is saved.

WHY DO YOU HATE TEACHERS AND POOR CHILDREN YOU RACIST WORST HATER SINCE HITLER! TEACHERS ARE SPENDING THEIR OWN MONEY TO BUY SCHOOL SUPPLIES SO UNDERPRIVILEGED MINORITY CHILDREN DONT HAVE TO WRITE IN BLOOD ALREADY AND YOU WANT TO CUT FUNDING MORE!

Also, all those sabbaticals and unfunded pensions ain't gonna pay for themselves.

Further, some genius will claim the savings that you specified... then use that as a justification to spend double that on some other bullshit while never actually cutting the funding for the stuff that the savings are supposed to come from.

Posted by: Damiano at March 29, 2017 02:05 PM (Mq0tM)

194 "NOBODY has been building a case to the American people that we need to
make a big budget adjustment to pay for this thing, not even Trump."

A budget adjustment is required, but not a big one.

Cost of the wall will be between $50B and $100B.

For reference, there were single _weeks_ during the second Obama term when we had that much deficit spending.

And, the federal budget may pay the up-front price, but Mexico can be made to repay the price on the back end, via such simple mechanisms as taxing remittances. (Plus, one would hope, repealing EITC, a large chunk of which ends up going via fraud into Mexican pockets.)

Posted by: torquewrench at March 29, 2017 02:05 PM (noWW6)

195 Everybody who's surprised by this say "whoa, dude!"

[Crickets]

Yeah.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 29, 2017 02:05 PM (RD7QR)

196 Has AtC seen this?

http://climateerinvest.blogspot.com/2017/03/best-actual-court-filing-this-week.html
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 29, 2017 02:03 PM (Tnhbr)

She mentioned it in a previous thread, yes. As I recall, she said that she'd rubbed the motion all over herself. So, y'know, there's that.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 29, 2017 02:06 PM (8nWyX)

197 We need to triple dog dare Schumer/Pelosi to shut
down the government. This time the parks will stay open and
non-essential government workers won't get paid for their vacation

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 29, 2017 01:28 PM (SIY7D)

This, too... and if there is a shutdown, this is how Trump needs to handle it.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 29, 2017 02:06 PM (qf8IB)

198 Hell, just tax all wire transfers and western union money leaving the US and going to mexico at 50%.

Posted by: Infidel at March 29, 2017 02:07 PM (uKRys)

199 Do your f'n job Congress. You wusses.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 29, 2017 02:07 PM (9IM0p)

200 You know who else had a wall? Hitler!

Posted by: The Incredibly Stupid Sarah Silverman at March 29, 2017 02:08 PM (qJhUV)

201 "Why is there no bill to tax remittances from the US to Mexico being worked on? Have I just missed it?"

It isn't just Congress - ask yourself "How come Trump and Bannon haven't even proposed such a thing and asked Congress to pass it?"

It's things like this that really do make me question Trump's competence on the details. He's a big picture guy, sure, but unless he's got skilled people around him correcting his constant mistakes and oversights, things go tango unicorn pretty damn fast. In this case, I don't think he has ever once seriously thought about how to fund the wall - it has all been just "oh, it'll work out somehow."

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 29, 2017 02:08 PM (KeRkT)

202 Wall been berry, berry good to me.

Posted by: Juan McCain at March 29, 2017 02:08 PM (97XyN)

203 She mentioned it in a previous thread, yes. As I recall, she said that she'd rubbed the motion all over herself. So, y'know, there's that.

That could cause an awful paper cut. Awful.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 29, 2017 02:08 PM (tFWWx)

204
Stopping 250K illegal students from burdening the System, would pay for the Wall in about 5 years...

But illegals make us richer.
And illegals make us safer.
And illegals made us vibrant (whatever the hell that means)

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 29, 2017 02:08 PM (IqV8l)

205 >>Mexico has per capita health care costs about 10% of the USA.

Know what helps keep their costs down? Sending their poor here for free care courtesy of los gringos. Advanced, expensive care.

There was a piece in the L.A. Slimes years ago about a young Mexican woman who had been given THREE lung transplants at UCLA Medical Center, at American public expense, simply by walking in the door.

Four hundred thousand dollars per transplant, if memory serves.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 29, 2017 02:08 PM (noWW6)

206 That could cause an awful paper cut. Awful.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 29, 2017 02:08 PM (tFWWx)

Given the number of legal documents that she's claimed to have rubbed all over herself, I imagine she has some kind of bizarre immunity by this point.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 29, 2017 02:09 PM (8nWyX)

207 Open question for the Horde: What do you think is the percentage of Republicans serving in government at the national level that want Trump to fail?

Over 80%. I know a number of DC types, mainly lobbyists, who consider themselves conservative but have no problem with 1000 page farm bills and highway bills, etc. Those horse farms in Virginia aren't going to pay for themselves.

Posted by: Keith at March 29, 2017 02:10 PM (USf3s)

208 Hell, just tax all wire transfers and western union money leaving the US and going to mexico at 50%.

Posted by: Infidel

Yeah, I'm not gonna allow that.

Posted by: Hawaiian Judge in Grass Skirt at March 29, 2017 02:10 PM (ZFUt7)

209 >>For reference, there were single _weeks_ during the second Obama term when we had that much deficit spending.

True. But most of that just like the vast majority of all spending, is on entitlements. Until Trump says he's going to take that on it's going to be tough to raise military spending and find enough money in other discretionary areas.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 29, 2017 02:10 PM (/tuJf)

210 I visited Trump's Wall and all I got was this lousy T-shirt!

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at March 29, 2017 02:11 PM (ul9CR)

211 Has AtC seen this?

http://climateerinvest.blogspot.com/2017/03/best-actual-court-filing-this-week.html
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 29, 2017 02:03 PM (Tnhbr)

Is that the Buzzfeed motion? Because, yes, yes, I have. Oh sweet mystery of life at last I've found you . . . .

I am so viciously bitter that I've never gotten to file anything like that.

I love that Volokh went onto Pacer and found the actual picture of an actual kitten that's part of the court filing.

I maintain my position that I find it plausible that Buzzfeed and Ben Smith can't find Florida on a map.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 29, 2017 02:11 PM (mf5HN)

212 181: your optimism confuses me. but, it doesn't take much. these assclowns have spent their whole carrer playing cornhole the people. i am convinced they hate us.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 29, 2017 02:12 PM (KP5rU)

213 "Why is there no bill to tax remittances from the US to Mexico being worked on?"

There may be a better angle by making it a withholding, where there may be IRS administrative authority. If you submit proof that the money was legally earned and taxed, then you get back the withheld money.

I'd withhold at the highest marginal rate.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 29, 2017 02:12 PM (SIY7D)

214 Fuck them, war
Posted by: MAC-SOG

Fuck them.
Anti-incumbent vote in every primary race I can vote in.
Sorry Ted Cruz. Take the SC job when offered.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 29, 2017 02:12 PM (4Utw1)

215 Look, we give billions of dollars in aid to Mexico every year, right? Let's say for the sake of the argument that it's a billion dollars. Let's say the Wall will cost $800 million. We cut Mexico's aid $200 million this year. Or we could cut 100 million a year for two years. Voila! Deal is done and both Mexico and Trump save face. What am I missing?

Posted by: JoeF. at March 29, 2017 02:12 PM (7uYFy)

216 There was a piece in the L.A. Slimes years ago about
a young Mexican woman who had been given THREE lung transplants at UCLA
Medical Center, at American public expense, simply by walking in the
door.
Four hundred thousand dollars per transplant, if memory serves.

Posted by: torquewrench

That's who we are.

Posted by: Hawaiian Judge in Grass Skirt at March 29, 2017 02:13 PM (ZFUt7)

217 The Great Wall of China gets a lot of tourists. Build something similar
and charge admission to walk along the top. Get back your costs in no
time.
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There's "green energy" idea out there called "wind chimney."

You build a chimney about 1km high and you'll have a constant updraft of 40mph 24 hours a day.

At 1000 meters high, the distance to the horizon is 112km (70 miles).

Who needs a fence when we have 1km high observation turrets?

We'd need less than 30 to cover the entire southern border.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 29, 2017 02:13 PM (ZQpd0)

218 Ermahgerd! Erts er ferlerberster!

Posted by: Ermahgerd-McCain at March 29, 2017 02:14 PM (N4Fkb)

219 OK, so I finally watched my first celebrity sex tape (thanks, PornHub!)

I went for a golden oldie, Tonya Harding, since someone in the last thread mentioned her friskiness.

1. Tonya looks like hell these days, but back then, yeah, I'd have hit it. Not bad at all if you don't mind athletic body types.

2. And yes, she was frisky. Forward Cowgirl with enTHUsiasm! Girl knew her way around a bed.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at March 29, 2017 02:14 PM (ul9CR)

220 "Why is there no bill to tax remittances from the US to Mexico being worked on?"

There may be a better angle by making it a withholding, where there may be IRS administrative authority. If you submit proof that the money was legally earned and taxed, then you get back the withheld money.

Fuck that. 80% at point of sale.

"Nice business you got there Wells Fargo. Be a shame if you got audited"

Posted by: rickb223 at March 29, 2017 02:14 PM (4Utw1)

221 "It's things like this that really do make me question Trump's competence on the details."

He's spent his career in three fields: real estate development, hospitality, and TV entertainment. All of which do have a wealth of small details to be mastered.

And Trump does have a demonstrated history of getting speedily spun up on what he needs to know, down to technical minutiae, when he wants to. Wollman Rink.

The problem is that Fedzilla is so utterly enormous now, by comparison, that even the world's quickest study is going to be behind the curve from the get-go. The fussy details are infinite in number.

And Fedzilla operates in ways which are fundamentally different, slower, and more labyrinthine than do private sector businesses.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 29, 2017 02:15 PM (noWW6)

222 nood.

Posted by: josephistan at March 29, 2017 02:15 PM (7HtZB)

223 Given the number of legal documents that she's claimed to have rubbed all over herself, I imagine she has some kind of bizarre immunity by this point.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 29, 2017 02:09 PM (8nWyX)

It's more like I'm used to it. Also worth it.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 29, 2017 02:15 PM (mf5HN)

224 OK, so I finally watched my first celebrity sex tape (thanks, PornHub!)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at March 29, 2017 02:14 PM (ul9CR)

Er... so... do I give you a cigar? Commemorative desk set? I'm not sure of the protocol here. Miss Manners is NO help at all.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 29, 2017 02:16 PM (8nWyX)

225 Look, we give billions of dollars in aid to Mexico every year, right? Let's say for the sake of the argument that it's a billion dollars. Let's say the Wall will cost $800 million. We cut Mexico's aid $200 million this year. Or we could cut 100 million a year for two years. Voila! Deal is done and both Mexico and Trump save face. What am I missing?

Better:
Wall costs $10 billion.
Social services to illegals - $99 billion A YEAR.

I know where to cut.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 29, 2017 02:17 PM (4Utw1)

226 May God damn the Republican party.

Posted by: SFGoth at March 29, 2017 02:18 PM (dZ756)

227 Fuck them.

Anti-incumbent vote in every primary race I can vote in.

Sorry Ted Cruz. Take the SC job when offered.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 29, 2017 02:12 PM (4Utw1)

Cause punishing one of the few good ones will help?

Posted by: redbanzai at March 29, 2017 02:18 PM (qf8IB)

228 "Look, we give billions of dollars in aid to Mexico every year, right"

No, we don't. Best figures I could find said that in 2016, we gave them $134 million, and the bulk of that was designated to fighting the narco traficantes.

So we could pay for 1% of the wall if we cut all of our external efforts to fight the drug gangs. Btw, most of the drugs they ship in come by boat or air, anyways. So a wall is no big deal to them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 29, 2017 02:19 PM (KeRkT)

229 It's also not unreasonable. About 150 countries charge a 20% import tax.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 29, 2017 02:03 PM (9IM0p)

The Philippines levies a 100% import tax on automobiles.

Posted by: cicero Kaboom! kid at March 29, 2017 02:21 PM (CE3NN)

230 I maintain my position that I find it plausible that Buzzfeed and Ben Smith can't find Florida on a map.

=================
Weren't they also the ones confused over the lack of a bridge to the westbank?

Posted by: simplemind at March 29, 2017 02:26 PM (xVRrG)

231 Lets see if I have this right.

The US is going to build a wall while sanctuary cities act like Berlin inside of Eastern Germany. Are there going to be airlifts too?

Posted by: charley Horse at March 29, 2017 02:27 PM (+kahX)

232 When is Mexico gonna pay for it?

Posted by: Jaimo at March 29, 2017 02:29 PM (9U1OG)

233 Ryan is either completely incompetent or passive aggressive trying to destroy his Presidency.
Posted by: Maritime at March 29, 2017 01:29 PM (IeW7Z)

I vote mainly incompetent. He doesn't seem to be able to really accomplish anything except for minor tweaks of legislative importance to no one but insiders.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 29, 2017 03:01 PM (J70i0)

234 This seems like bullshit.. How does minority party shut down the government.... If they pass tax cuts and reform the tax code with 50 votes, doubt they need 60 votes to pass stop gap funding..... This looks like the GOP playing bullshit games ...

Posted by: Sam at March 29, 2017 03:14 PM (1ANfd)

235 Here is a rather simple plan that would...shall we say "encourage" that the Congress critters start voting the way we want them to.
Step one we get in touch with Steve Bannon and have his suggest to Trump to order the Capital Hill Police to be somewhere else on a certain day.
Step two: We show up at Capital Hill on said day with the following item: Tar, Feathers and heating tools and large caldrons (big enough to fit a person.
Step three: Find Congress critters.
I have a feeling things will go much better shortly afterwards

Posted by: southdakotaboy at March 29, 2017 04:19 PM (JaJ3u)

236 The funniest way to handle it is to let Trump hold a rally and explain it to his voters straight up.

"I'm going to demand funding for a wall in the stopgap. The GOP isn't going to vote for it. So be ready to take names and be ready to get rid of em in 2018."

"But it is good, we want them to fail, we need them to fail. When the government shutdown happens we get to close down all sorts of things and shift money around for priorities. Obama and Clinton used shutdowns to inflict maximum damage on voters, I will be inflicting maximum damage on the swamp."

"After a month or two where nobody outside DC really notices the government is 'shutdown' the price goes up. Not only will they fund the whole wall project they will fully fund expanded enforcement and who knows what else. Won't be long before we have Democrats willing to vote for almost anything just to end the shutdown."

The humor comes from the announcing exactly what is going to happen and then watching it happen. Because there is simply no way they vote for funding the wall if they think it will actually get built.

Posted by: John Morris at March 29, 2017 04:50 PM (sCRhB)

237 I swear to God I will NEVER cast another vote for a Republican (other than Trump).

I'm finished with these lying, gutless sacks of weasel shit.

Posted by: jbspry at March 29, 2017 04:56 PM (QGbEp)

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