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Palestinian Terrorist and "Feminist" Stripped of US Citizenship, Ejected From Country

Very good.

I'm under the weather and am taking the day off, pretty much. I'll just put up open threads and links. Sorry -- I just feel like crap.

Posted by: Ace at 01:59 PM




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1 Good first step.

And get well Ace.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 27, 2017 02:00 PM (Dt3Vr)

2 Glad I'm not the only one. Feel better ace.

Posted by: Infidel at March 27, 2017 02:01 PM (uKRys)

3 Speak of the devil and Ace appears.


So someone is doing something about making America great again?

About darned time.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Has Got it, Yeah Baby It's Got It at March 27, 2017 02:01 PM (hLRSq)

4 NO GAINZ!!!1!!11!

Sad panda....

Posted by: Lord Dewclaw at March 27, 2017 02:02 PM (hMDEd)

5 Here Ace, have a Kipper....

Posted by: IP at March 27, 2017 02:02 PM (UmSfZ)

6 *scratches ewok behind the ears*

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 27, 2017 02:02 PM (gIRsn)

7 It's a testament to how far we have sunk that this is even seen by some as controversial.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 02:02 PM (/tuJf)

8 I'm sure someone will claim that the feminist was what caused the booting.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2017 02:03 PM (7ZVPa)

9 The one from the million nag march?

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2017 02:03 PM (r/0kC)

10 The healthcare stuff has been trying lately.

This is good news. Shadenboner revived.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 27, 2017 02:03 PM (KUaJL)

11 What do you do with a sick Ewok?

Posted by: eleven at March 27, 2017 02:03 PM (qUNWi)

12 Is she gone yet?
Get her out NOW!!!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 02:03 PM (NOIQH)

13 Hope you feel better, Ace. I'd have stayed in bed this morning but I feel that way every morning so got up anyway. Now it's just waiting for the day to be over so I can crawl back into bed again.

Posted by: biblio at March 27, 2017 02:04 PM (6FY0P)

14 [Tents fingers] Eeeeexcellent. I can hear the lamentation of the vimmens from here.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at March 27, 2017 02:04 PM (RD7QR)

15 As long she is vertical and breathing there.....

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 02:04 PM (KlI/a)

16 Oh, and good on throwing that lunatic bitch out of the country. I wonder if they'll throw a march about that? You know, because the patriarchy or something.

Posted by: biblio at March 27, 2017 02:04 PM (6FY0P)

17
Sorry -- I just feel like crap.

*************

Hopefully this is just a cold or something.

Get better ace.

Posted by: Holmes at March 27, 2017 02:05 PM (fi5nC)

18 Stompy.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 27, 2017 02:05 PM (oVJmc)

19 I hope you are feeling better soon, Ace.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 27, 2017 02:05 PM (tVWQB)

20 Chuck Schumer next?

Posted by: fluffy at March 27, 2017 02:05 PM (jw2Xw)

21 The Ewoks are coming here! The Ewoks are coming here! One if by land, two if by tree.

Posted by: RuPaul Revere at March 27, 2017 02:05 PM (Tstsj)

22 Doesn't need to be said, but...probably only happening because of Trump.
Even her lawyer's statement indicated they knew they could find no sympathy in the federal government now that Obama's gone.
Ha!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 02:05 PM (NOIQH)

23 11 What do you do with a sick Ewok?
Posted by: eleven at March 27, 2017 02:03 PM (qUNWi)

He'll yak it out. Then, bowl of water and a blanket.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at March 27, 2017 02:05 PM (RD7QR)

24 11 What do you do with a sick Ewok?
Posted by: eleven at March 27, 2017 02:03 PM (qUNWi)

************

Shave it, then quarantine.

Posted by: Holmes at March 27, 2017 02:06 PM (fi5nC)

25 What do you do with a sick Ewok?

Posted by: eleven at March 27, 2017 02:03 PM (qUNWi)


Put it to bed with a hot water bottle and a ticking clock for company.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Has Got it, Yeah Baby It's Got It at March 27, 2017 02:06 PM (hLRSq)

26 23
He'll yak it out. Then, bowl of water and a blanket.

I see what you did there. Laughed myself horse.

Posted by: biblio at March 27, 2017 02:06 PM (6FY0P)

27 How she wound up taking a prominent place at the women's march remains a mystery to some of us...

No mystery at all to some of us.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 27, 2017 02:06 PM (BWL+E)

28 A nice big bowl of Surstromming should fix an Ewok right up.

Posted by: an indifferent penguin at March 27, 2017 02:07 PM (Tstsj)

29 Put it to bed with a hot water bottle and a ticking clock smart vibrator for company.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Has Got it, Yeah Baby It's Got It at March 27, 2017 02:06 PM (hLRSq)

Posted by: Holmes at March 27, 2017 02:07 PM (fi5nC)

30 ...feel better Ace...hydrate...!

Posted by: billygoat at March 27, 2017 02:07 PM (lhnU8)

31

Well there's something you'd never see under obama.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 27, 2017 02:07 PM (EufUL)

32 The Joos are to blame.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 27, 2017 02:08 PM (tO3dn)

33 Unless I'm missing something, she's a convicted terrorist, and we're putting her back in circulation. Is there a reason she's not thrown in the clink?

Posted by: General Zod at March 27, 2017 02:08 PM (Bdeb0)

34 >>Oh, and good on throwing that lunatic bitch out of the country. I
wonder if they'll throw a march about that? You know, because the
patriarchy or something.


Say, did you know that this past Saturday was "Women's Day of Service"?

The feminists decided after the Jan 21st march to schedule a few more events, and so women were called to go out and volunteer and stuff on Saturday. The rep. on my local news even suggested going to a park and picking up trash. Cleaning/repairing inner-city parks is apparently always needed in Lefty minds. Ack!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 02:08 PM (NOIQH)

35 How she wound up taking a prominent place at the women's march remains a mystery to some of us...

Those libs sure love edgy. When you're so edgy your citizenship gets revoked you may want to rethink some of your life choices.

Posted by: biblio at March 27, 2017 02:08 PM (6FY0P)

36 I thought this was going to be about Huma.

How you like your pussyhat now?

Posted by: ShainS at March 27, 2017 02:08 PM (XN8qs)

37 11 What do you do with a sick Ewok?
Posted by: eleven at March 27, 2017 02:03 PM (qUNWi)


Once an ewok can no longer drink and hump its fist, you know, you have to put it out of its misery. It would be cruel to let it linger, suffering like that. It's a hard thing, son. But they don't fear death the way we do.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at March 27, 2017 02:08 PM (CPk08)

38 William Jacobson at Legal Insurrection has been following this case for a while.

She and her supporters/apologists have been fighting off the inevitable with the usual parade of lies. She claims innocence, but her surviving comrades in the West Bank are on video talking about her terrorist crimes.

She will be welcomed back home to a Hero's Welcome, and probably given a pension by the Terrorist Leadrs of the Palestinian Authority.

Posted by: rd at March 27, 2017 02:09 PM (iT57s)

39 >>How she wound up taking a prominent place at the women's march remains a mystery to some of us...

Eh, it's led by a bunch of legit radicals, but I would guess she got involved via an acquaintance with fellow Palestinian activist Linda Sarsour...

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 02:09 PM (NOIQH)

40 Don't forget to pack your pussy hat!

Posted by: Dang at March 27, 2017 02:09 PM (8b+oT)

41 soooo i someone anonymously sent me a "cheech chong" shirt.....in a men's extra large.......i can't imagine why......i'm a women's small and i don't smoke the green corn......anymore....

Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 27, 2017 02:09 PM (0O7c5)

42 Ace, I hear Surströmming is good for that...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 27, 2017 02:09 PM (NZu+i)

43 Get better ace.


Kind of interesting that Sessions is talking big on immigration lawlessness. Maybe he hasn't been briefed on current state of play - immigration authority, notwithstanding the constitution and statute, rests with any federal judge or appeals circuit that feels like taking the helm for a while.


Doing anything effective against "sanctuary" lawlessness could be interesting when the executive has been effectively stripped of much of its lawful authority.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 27, 2017 02:10 PM (QDnY+)

44 The rep. on my local news even suggested going to a park and picking up trash.

"Hey, lady, you missed that piece of paper over there."

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 27, 2017 02:10 PM (BWL+E)

45 37 11 What do you do with a sick Ewok?
Posted by: eleven at March 27, 2017 02:03 PM (qUNWi)


Once an ewok can no longer drink and hump its fist, you know, you have to put it out of its misery. It would be cruel to let it linger, suffering like that. It's a hard thing, son. But they don't fear death the way we do.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at March 27, 2017 02:08 PM (CPk0

[Nods sagely] They go to their gods, who live among the dumpsters of the sky.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at March 27, 2017 02:10 PM (RD7QR)

46 I just feel like crap.

Posted by: Ace


Could it be that your GAINZ diet is somehow giving you too much or not enough of this-or-that nutrient, causing a sick feeling?

More likely that you have just caught a bug, but I've long wondered whether or not specialty "diets" which exclude certain categories of food intake and/or which encourage an overdose of some other kind of food can cause problems in the body, heretofore unanalyzed.

Posted by: zombie at March 27, 2017 02:10 PM (DQ4Fv)

47 Khalid Masood, the radical ISIS terrorist responsible for Londons Westminster terror attack, did not have a job and was receiving government benefits before engaging in his attack.

Masood, 52, was unemployed and living in Birmingham before he killed four people and injured approximately 40 others in Wednesdays attack. He was also reportedly receiving government benefits, according to The Telegraph.

Born Adrian Ajao, Masood had a violent criminal history, including several knife attacks. He had not previously been convicted for terrorism-related activities, but he was investigated by MI5, the U.K.s domestic intelligence service, for his part in a terrorist bombing plot in 2010.

Or as I call it: National Suicide

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 02:11 PM (KlI/a)

48 Hope you feel better soon, Ace. I just had the worst case of stomach flu in my life. Finally starting to feel human again.

Posted by: notsothoreau at March 27, 2017 02:11 PM (5HBd1)

49 Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at March 27, 2017 02:08 PM (CPk0


Just don't give the job to Gary the Stormtrooper.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Has Got it, Yeah Baby It's Got It at March 27, 2017 02:11 PM (hLRSq)

50 Hope you have a speedy recovery, Ace!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 02:12 PM (NOIQH)

51 Eh, it's led by a bunch of legit radicals, but I would guess she got involved via an acquaintance with fellow Palestinian activist Linda Sarsour...
Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 02:09 PM (NOIQH)



Raaaaaayyyyyyyycist.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at March 27, 2017 02:12 PM (CPk08)

52 11 What do you do with a sick Ewok?
Posted by: eleven at March 27, 2017 02:03 PM (qUNWi)

Put him in the brig until he's sober.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 02:12 PM (X2m/e)

53 "Sorry -- I just feel like crap."

I feel like a basket of wildcats physically. Fit, feisty, and ready to tear the week apart. But otherwise my morale is in the crapper. That utter clown show last week with the purported "Obamacare repeal" was intensely depressing.

And there's even worse news spilling off the wires this morning.

Did you know we're now going to have an Office of Government Innovation, headed up by Jared Kushner? The very same Jared who along with Ivanka has been responsible for a disproportionate share of Trump's policy missteps and hiring fumbles? Oh boy! I can't wait!

And that Kushner is going to be taking advice from Tim "Steve Handjobs" Cook, Elon "Subsidy Queen" Musk and Bill "Love Me Some Common Core" Gates on making the government more "innovative". All three of them being reliable Democratic donors and Obama/Clinton backers. Oh boy! I can't wait!

I would bet you that if you lined up the pull quotes from the Kushner announcement this morning, and put them next to pull quotes from Bill Clinton and Al Gore circa 1994 about making Fedzilla more "effective" and "responsive", it would be impossible for most people to distinguish the two. Oh boy! I can't wait!

Posted by: torquewrench at March 27, 2017 02:12 PM (noWW6)

54 What do you do with a sick ewok?

***********************

Lock it in a room with Lena Dunham.

Posted by: Holmes at March 27, 2017 02:13 PM (fi5nC)

55 >>What do you do with a sick Ewok?

Shave his belly with a rusty razor.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 02:13 PM (/tuJf)

56 It's a start, anyway.

Posted by: rickl at March 27, 2017 02:13 PM (zoehZ)

57 Born Adrian Ajao

So help me, I read that as Adrian Ajoooo.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 27, 2017 02:13 PM (BWL+E)

58 America: Come for the slack law enforcement of the Obama administration, stay for the Trump admin... wait, GET THE FUCK OUT, TERRORIST BITCH!!

Schadenboner with a side of schadenboner, and for dessert? Schadenboner.

Posted by: Dang at March 27, 2017 02:13 PM (8b+oT)

59 I just feel like crap.

Too much rotten fish for breakfast.

Posted by: DaveA at March 27, 2017 02:13 PM (FhXTo)

60 Could it be that your GAINZ diet is somehow giving you too much or not enough of this-or-that nutrient, causing a sick feeling?



More likely that you have just caught a bug, but I've long wondered
whether or not specialty "diets" which exclude certain categories of
food intake and/or which encourage an overdose of some other kind of
food can cause problems in the body, heretofore unanalyzed.

Posted by: zombie at March 27, 2017 02:10 PM (DQ4Fv)

I was reading this article this morning about that. Could be ace just has a normal bug but.....
http://tinyurl.com/k3nj8x6

Posted by: Tami at March 27, 2017 02:14 PM (Enq6K)

61 Test.

Posted by: Shia LaBeouf at March 27, 2017 02:14 PM (vRcUp)

62 Headline is not correct...

She AGREED to give up her citizenship... she was not STRIPPED of her citizenship...

Thanks to the Wonderful Judicial Rulers of our Kritarchy, you cannot strip an American citizen of their citizenship... even when the do things like fight for another country...

They can give it up voluntarily... but you cannot strip them of it.

Posted by: Don Q. at March 27, 2017 02:15 PM (NgKpN)

63 "22 Doesn't need to be said, but...probably only happening because of Trump.
Even her lawyer's statement indicated they knew they could find no sympathy in the federal government now that Obama's gone.
Ha!
Posted by: Lizzy"


And still the dead end Never Trumpers (Rick Wilson, Bill Kristol, etc.) claim that Hillary would have been preferable. A-holes.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 27, 2017 02:15 PM (OD2ni)

64 FYI

March 29th, Planned Parenthood is going to have some kind of pink themed protest.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 27, 2017 02:15 PM (Dt3Vr)

65 Test.

Posted by: Shia LaBeouf at March 27, 2017 02:14 PM (vRcUp)


You fail.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 27, 2017 02:15 PM (BWL+E)

66 If TFG was still in office, he'd give her a Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Oh, and she's a dead ringer for Emperor Palpatine in The Return Of The Jedi:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/mrbkr22

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 27, 2017 02:15 PM (0rHf9)

67 Oh boy! I can't wait!
Posted by: torquewrench


TO put things in perspective:

However off-course or semi-incompetent the Trump administration is, it remains 10,000,000,000,000 time better than the intentionally toxic and catastrophic Obama administration, which did every horrible thing imaginable in extremis and several things which were couldn't even have imagined as well.

No politician os perfect. But Trump is as good as we're likely to ever get, because at least he doesn't care.

Posted by: zombie at March 27, 2017 02:16 PM (DQ4Fv)

68

Jordan or the west bank?

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 02:16 PM (D1AgW)

69 When we said we had a cold--the "Cure" was used hockey socks tied around your neck....


we would "feel better" in two minutes and trudge off to school.

So I'm sure a Girls Marathons could get the Ewok up and runnin'...

Posted by: Holmes at March 27, 2017 02:16 PM (fi5nC)

70 March 29th, Planned Parenthood is going to have some kind of pink themed protest.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 27, 2017 02:15 PM (Dt3Vr)


Gosh, that's so novel and innovative of them. I wonder why nobody's thought of having a pink-themed protest constantly for, oh, the last 20 years or so?

They're so smrt.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 27, 2017 02:17 PM (8nWyX)

71 70 March 29th, Planned Parenthood is going to have some kind of pink themed protest.
----

We call it: "The NFL Season"

Posted by: Planned Parenthood at March 27, 2017 02:17 PM (4bKiB)

72 the "Cure" was used hockey socks tied around your neck....


--------

Fuck you, too.

Posted by: Robert Smith at March 27, 2017 02:18 PM (7HtZB)

73
>>>Born Adrian Ajao



So help me, I read that as Adrian Ajoooo.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 27, 2017 02:13 PM (BWL+E)<<<

I think this is the RB for the Miami Dolphins.

I know they're a sucky football team, but I never thought he would try to go out like this. Shame.

Posted by: an indifferent penguin at March 27, 2017 02:18 PM (Tstsj)

74 I'm not saying it's monkeypox, but it's probably monkeypox.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 27, 2017 02:19 PM (kTF2Z)

75 is this the Hypermasculinity Confession Booth?

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 27, 2017 02:19 PM (651TE)

76 Planned Parenthood is going to have some kind of pink themed protest.
_____________

Any chance the S.G. Komen Foundation will sue for pink infringement?
Oh, that's right, PP does all those mammograms for breast cancer.

Posted by: IP at March 27, 2017 02:19 PM (UmSfZ)

77
March 29th, Planned Parenthood is going to have some kind of pink themed protest.
Posted by: Anna Puma


They want to "start a conversation."


Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 27, 2017 02:19 PM (IqV8l)

78 75 is this the Hypermasculinity Confession Booth?
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 27, 2017 02:19 PM (651TE)

Only if we're going to discuss ENORMOUS SCHWANSTUCKERS.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at March 27, 2017 02:20 PM (RD7QR)

79 "So I'm sure a Girls Marathons could get the Ewok up and runnin'..."


Showing Lena Dunham naked in HD should be illegal.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 27, 2017 02:20 PM (OD2ni)

80 Where's Jack Bauer to throw her out the window when you need him?

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 27, 2017 02:20 PM (JO9+V)

81 Can we give this bitch a nice parting gift? Maybe some Surstromming?

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at March 27, 2017 02:20 PM (vtcmf)

82 77
March 29th, Planned Parenthood is going to have some kind of pink themed protest.
Posted by: Anna Puma

They want to "start a conversation."


Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 27, 2017 02:19 PM (IqV8l)

Which is another way of saying they want you to sit meekly while they yell at you.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at March 27, 2017 02:20 PM (RD7QR)

83 75 is this the Hypermasculinity Confession Booth?
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 27, 2017 02:19 PM (651TE)

Confessions are for those who feel guilt...

Hypermasculin Men do not feel guilt...

We sit outside of said booth, and laugh at the Girly Boys who go in....

Posted by: Don Q. at March 27, 2017 02:20 PM (NgKpN)

84 March 29th, Planned Parenthood is going to have some kind of pink themed protest.


Posted by: Anna Puma at March 27, 2017 02:15 PM (Dt3Vr)

Which body part will be exposed this time?

Posted by: Tami at March 27, 2017 02:20 PM (Enq6K)

85 Palestinian Terrorist and "Feminist" Stripped of US Citizenship, Ejected From Country

Did the "ejection" involve a helicopter?

Posted by: Zombie Augusto Pinochet at March 27, 2017 02:21 PM (rUIbB)

86 >>>I'm not saying it's monkeypox, but it's probably monkeypox.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 27, 2017 02:19 PM (kTF2Z)<<<

Well, it's definitely not lups. It's NEVER lupus!

Posted by: Dr. Gregory House at March 27, 2017 02:21 PM (Tstsj)

87
Which is another way of saying they want you to sit meekly while they yell at you.
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy


It's sorta kinda like the "dialogue on race."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 27, 2017 02:22 PM (IqV8l)

88 84
Which body part will be exposed this time?
Posted by: Tami at March 27, 2017 02:20 PM (Enq6K)


The Isles of Langerhans. With a nice kee-ANN-tee.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 27, 2017 02:22 PM (mbhDw)

89 April whats her face starts her question to Sean Spicer with "Hate crimes are on the rise....."




Posted by: Tami at March 27, 2017 02:22 PM (Enq6K)

90 Hope you feel better, Ace.

Posted by: venus velvet at March 27, 2017 02:22 PM (ZRVhT)

91 Khalid Masood, the radical ISIS terrorist responsible for Londons Westminster terror attack, did not have a job and was receiving government benefits before engaging in his attack.




On the government dole and a terrorist. The death of the west are never ending self inflicted wounds

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2017 02:22 PM (493sH)

92 Marburg Variant. Teh Ewok done got the Marburg Variant.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at March 27, 2017 02:23 PM (51g5i)

93 "Did the "ejection" involve a helicopter?"


FU Buddy.

Posted by: Zombie Vic Morrow at March 27, 2017 02:24 PM (OD2ni)

94 >>March 29th, Planned Parenthood is going to have some kind of pink themed protest.


How clever and original!

Hope these womens groups keep up with the constant protests --- will totes endear them to the American public.

I, for one, loved being told by some 3rd wave feminist that I should be out picking up trash at a park last Saturday because mumble mumble womem's march solidarity something. Like I just sit at home and wait for marching orders and don't already volunteer.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 02:24 PM (NOIQH)

95 Check under the tattered fabric sash. Ewoks can get a nasty rash under there if they don't bathe enough or masturbate too much. Usually it's a little of both.

Posted by: Dang at March 27, 2017 02:24 PM (8b+oT)

96 70 March 29th, Planned Parenthood is going to have some kind of pink themed protest.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 27, 2017 02:15 PM (Dt3Vr)
____________________

In memory of all the baby girls they have killed?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 27, 2017 02:24 PM (riF5p)

97 "Did the "ejection" involve a helicopter?"


FU Buddy.
Posted by: Zombie Vic Morrow at March 27, 2017 02:24 PM (OD2ni)

The Helicopter is your friend. The Blades not so much

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 02:25 PM (KlI/a)

98 Hope you get to feeling better soon, oh Fearless Leader....


Posted by: The Oort Cloud - No-Longer-Deplorable Source of all SMODs at March 27, 2017 02:25 PM (T1H5V)

99 89 April whats her face starts her question to Sean Spicer with "Hate crimes are on the rise....."




Posted by: Tami at March 27, 2017 02:22 PM (Enq6K)

-

Spicer pushing back on the narrative. Nice.

Posted by: WisRich at March 27, 2017 02:25 PM (hdpay)

100


Ponfaar

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 02:26 PM (D1AgW)

101 >>>Khalid Masood, the radical ISIS terrorist
responsible for Londons Westminster terror attack, did not have a job
and was receiving government benefits before engaging in his attack.

On the government dole and a terrorist. The death of the west are never ending self inflicted wounds
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2017 02:22 PM (493sH)<<<




Is he tousle haired and good looking? Can we get him for a cover shoot?

Posted by: Rolling Stone at March 27, 2017 02:26 PM (Tstsj)

102 'll just put up open threads and links.


And we all say 'It's good when Ace does that ..'.

Posted by: Grump928(c) doesn't want to go to the cornfield at March 27, 2017 02:26 PM (QQ+il)

103 These reporters are scum, the lowest.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 02:26 PM (KlI/a)

104 Just making high profile examples out of these people is probably the equivalent of spending ten of millions of enforcement manpower and resources.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 02:26 PM (R4/1o)

105 64 FYI

March 29th, Planned Parenthood is going to have some kind of pink themed protest.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 27, 2017 02:15 PM (Dt3Vr)

Blood red would be more apropos.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 02:27 PM (0mRoj)

106
Ponfaar

Posted by: ThunderB

Wow. That seven years reality flew.

Posted by: Spock at March 27, 2017 02:27 PM (ZFUt7)

107 A nice big bowl of Surstromming should fix an Ewok right up.


Posted by: an indifferent penguin at March 27, 2017 02:07 PM (Tstsj)

A story from my days in Sweden. A pair of my then-husband's friends went to Europe on holiday and brought a can of surstromming with them to enjoy (gag me, even a lot of Swedes can't stand that stuff, and it's usually eaten outside, since it smells like death).
They opened it in their hotel room and when room service arrived with additional fare, the server blanched when he entered the room. Apparently he'd reported this to the manager, who was very apologetic the next morning when they checked out, and comped their entire bill.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at March 27, 2017 02:27 PM (tHwdc)

108 89 April whats her face starts her question to Sean Spicer with "Hate crimes are on the rise....."




Posted by: Tami at March 27, 2017 02:22 PM (Enq6K)

60 Minutes did a segment on 'Fake News'... and never looked at whether news WAS fake or not... whether there was any evidence or not...

They just labeled things fake.. like the Hillary Parkinson story... which we still do not know if it is fake, or not...

And then had some 'experts' on basically saying those on the right don't know Fake from non Fake... you know... like that totally REAL Russian hacked the election story...

/facepalm

Posted by: Don Q. at March 27, 2017 02:27 PM (NgKpN)

109 Just making high profile examples out of these people is probably the equivalent of spending ten of millions of enforcement manpower and resources.
Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 02:26 PM (R4/1o)

Exactly and that goes for our Southern Border

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 02:27 PM (KlI/a)

110 What do you do with a sick ewok?
Nair. Lots of Nair while he's too sick to fight back effectively.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at March 27, 2017 02:27 PM (m3iiU)

111

Send them all to Ceti Alpha V

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 02:27 PM (D1AgW)

112 >>Blood red would be more apropos.


Ah, I see we have a period-shamer in the house!!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 02:28 PM (NOIQH)

113 I'm under the weather and am taking the day off, pretty much. I'll just put up open threads and links. Sorry -- I just feel like crap.

*fearfully holds out crucifix*

Maybe you should be carrying a bell with you.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 27, 2017 02:28 PM (BWL+E)

114 The only hate crimes I see on the rise are lefties going up to people holding US flags and punching them in their faces.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 27, 2017 02:28 PM (tVWQB)

115 I'd like to see a bunch of college frat guys have a huge nation-wide pink themed protest to get more hotter chicks in the pornz.

Posted by: Dang at March 27, 2017 02:28 PM (8b+oT)

116 103
These reporters are scum, the lowest.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 02:26 PM (KlI/a)

I'm sure they all leave the room patting themselves and each other on the back.

Posted by: Tami at March 27, 2017 02:29 PM (Enq6K)

117 Ace - some days you just need to check out, rest, and put your head in your hands and let your mind roll by.

Posted by: Cheri at March 27, 2017 02:29 PM (oiNtH)

118 Let's not forget who spared Planned Parenthood federal funding.

Thanks again Freedom Caucus. I better not hear another word about how much you care about abortion. Or repealing ObamaCare.

I see both of these issues being dead for the remainder of Trump's first term.

Apparently, the status quo of ObamaCare being in place and Planned Parenthood getting hundreds of millions every year was preferable.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 02:29 PM (R4/1o)

119 Spicer: President learned a lot about this repeal process. Specifically, D.C. is a lot like Mos Eisley Space Port.

Posted by: WisRich at March 27, 2017 02:29 PM (hdpay)

120 "Ponfaar"


If it involves the skinny, hot version of Kirstie Alley from Star Trek II, that could be fun.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 27, 2017 02:30 PM (OD2ni)

121 April whats her face starts her question to Sean Spicer with "Hate crimes are on the rise....."

Posted by: Tami at March 27, 2017 02:22 PM (Enq6K)


And here's me, the idiot who didn't invest in hate crimes when my advisor said to.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 27, 2017 02:30 PM (8nWyX)

122 118 Let's not forget who spared Planned Parenthood federal funding.

Thanks again Freedom Caucus. I better not hear another word about how much you care about abortion. Or repealing ObamaCare.

I see both of these issues being dead for the remainder of Trump's first term.

Apparently, the status quo of ObamaCare being in place and Planned Parenthood getting hundreds of millions every year was preferable.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 02:29 PM (R4/1o)


Yes, RynoCare would've defunded PP. . . for one year only.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 27, 2017 02:31 PM (mbhDw)

123 Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 02:29 PM (R4/1o)

Horseshit...

If the GOPe wanted to strip Planned Parenthood funds... do it in a clean bill...

Posted by: Don Q. at March 27, 2017 02:31 PM (NgKpN)

124 What do you do with a sick ewok?

***********************

Lock it in a room with Lena Dunham.


Er-lie in the morning ..

Posted by: Grump928(c) doesn't want to go to the cornfield at March 27, 2017 02:31 PM (QQ+il)

125 OT- I'm currently planning a trip to Norway, which seems to be one of the remaining non-Islamized places in Europe. This gave me an idea: somebody needs to start a politically incorrect travel blog that tells you, among other things, which parts of Europe are still safe to go to. There can be a feature like "Sharia Scale" where France and Germany have a bad rating, UK is close behind, Hungary is totally safe, etc. Think there's a market for this?

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at March 27, 2017 02:31 PM (rX06+)

126 @ 33-
Sending her back means we don't have to pay for her jail time and appeals, or see the inevitable "Free ____" t-shirts, etc. Win, win, win.

Posted by: venus velvet at March 27, 2017 02:31 PM (ZRVhT)

127 >>I see both of these issues being dead for the remainder of Trump's first term.

Actually, I think they might still try to cut it when they do the 2018 budget resolution.

They are going to need a lot of savings in spending to make any significant tax cuts.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 02:31 PM (/tuJf)

128 >>>Let's not forget who spared Planned Parenthood federal funding.



Thanks again Freedom Caucus. I better not hear another word about how much you care about abortion. Or repealing ObamaCare.
Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 02:29 PM (R4/1o)<<<



Yes, yes. This is very concerning.

Posted by: an indifferent penguin at March 27, 2017 02:31 PM (Tstsj)

129 And then had some 'experts' on basically saying
those on the right don't know Fake from non Fake... you know... like
that totally REAL Russian hacked the election story...



/facepalm

Posted by: Don Q. at March 27, 2017 02:27 PM (NgKpN)

I see 60 minutes is still doing their usual hard hitting and probing reporting. /s

Posted by: Tami at March 27, 2017 02:31 PM (Enq6K)

130 Hmmm....maybe it's a case of the chief there looking for nyub-nyub in all the wrong places. See a vet, ace.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at March 27, 2017 02:32 PM (51g5i)

131 ace's symptoms are extremely serious. It starts with a slight fever and dryness of the
throat. When the virus penetrates the red blood cells, the victim
becomes dizzy, begins to experience an itchy rash, then the poison goes
to work on the central nervous system, severe muscle spasms followed by
the inevitable drooling. At this point, the entire digestive system collapses accompanied by uncontrollable flatulence. Until finally, the poor ewok bastard is reduced to a quivering wasted piece of jelly.

Posted by: Dr. Rumack at March 27, 2017 02:32 PM (JO9+V)

132 Pro tip: defending PP doesn't depend on repealing Ocare, and vice versa .

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 27, 2017 02:32 PM (NZu+i)

133 >> I'm currently planning a trip to Norway, which seems to be one of the remaining non-Islamized places in Europe

Wouldn't count on that.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 02:32 PM (/tuJf)

134 131 Rumack at March 27, 2017 02:32 PM (JO9+V)


I saw A Quivering Wasted Piece of Jelly open for A Flock of Seagulls at the Palladium back in '82.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 27, 2017 02:33 PM (mbhDw)

135 is this the Hypermasculinity Confession Booth?
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at March 27, 2017 02:19 PM (651TE)

Only if we're going to discuss ENORMOUS SCHWANSTUCKERS.
Posted by: joncelli




I see your schwartz is as big as mine!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2017 02:33 PM (DfQBn)

136 No no no, do NOT send them to Ceti Alpha V. We've seen this movie already.

"Mr. Saavik, you have the con."

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 27, 2017 02:33 PM (Dt3Vr)

137 >>>I just feel like crap

Try some surströmming.

Posted by: m at March 27, 2017 02:33 PM (Gqgs8)

138
108 89 April whats her face starts her question to Sean Spicer with "Hate crimes are on the rise....."


Stop her right there and demand that she cite source(s) fir her assertion. If she cannot, move on to someone else.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 27, 2017 02:34 PM (v1g1+)

139 133 >> I'm currently planning a trip to Norway, which seems to be one of the remaining non-Islamized places in Europe

Wouldn't count on that.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 02:32 PM (/tuJ


Maybe way up north in Bodo or Svalbard. Oslo not so much, I'm afraid.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 27, 2017 02:34 PM (mbhDw)

140
April whats her face starts her question to Sean Spicer with "Hate crimes are on the rise....."

The pregnant giraffe gets to question Spicer?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 02:34 PM (lKyWE)

141 89 April whats her face starts her question to Sean Spicer with "Hate crimes are on the rise....."


They're letting giraffes ask questions now?

Innovative!

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 27, 2017 02:34 PM (ul9CR)

142 The feminists decided after the Jan 21st march to
schedule a few more events, and so women were called to go out and
volunteer and stuff on Saturday. The rep. on my local news even
suggested going to a park and picking up trash. Cleaning/repairing
inner-city parks is apparently always needed in Lefty minds. Ack!


Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 02:08 PM (NOIQH)

I approve this particular task. Normally lefties leave a mess behind them. Sad that they only do it one day a year

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at March 27, 2017 02:35 PM (tHwdc)

143 118 Let's not forget who spared Planned Parenthood federal funding.

Thanks again Freedom Caucus. I better not hear another word about how much you care about abortion. Or repealing ObamaCare.


Let's not forget who decided to push a new, longer, more complicated bill when a simple eight-page bill had already been passed in Jan 2016.

Thanks again Paul Ryan. I better not hear another word about ... well hell, Paul, I'd prefer never to hear from you again at all.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 27, 2017 02:35 PM (tFWWx)

144 "No no no, do NOT send them to Ceti Alpha V. We've seen this movie already.

"Mr. Saavik, you have the con."
Posted by: Anna Puma"


CHEKHOV WAS NOT IN SPACE SEED!!!!

Posted by: Star Trek geek at March 27, 2017 02:35 PM (OD2ni)

145 They are going to need a lot of savings in spending to make any significant tax cuts.
Posted by: JackStraw


Or a sudden explosion in GDP. Or a sudden explosion of millennial youth willing to pay back student loans by becoming barista. Or a sudden urge of illegal immigrants to self-deport.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 02:35 PM (ZFUt7)

146 I gave up on the stupid giraffe days ago.

Now I'm watching Gaia's Kittens.

At least they're already born.



Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 27, 2017 02:35 PM (ul9CR)

147 LOL.

RE: Sanctuary cities: If you want to keep your DOJ grants, you have to comply with DOJ rules.

Or....

reject the rules= get no $$$

It's a start.

Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 02:36 PM (FkAXz)

148 Apparently, the status quo of ObamaCare being in place and Planned Parenthood getting hundreds of millions every year was preferable.

Did someone break their legislator?

Posted by: Grump928(c) doesn't want to go to the cornfield at March 27, 2017 02:36 PM (QQ+il)

149 April whats her face starts her question to Sean Spicer with "Hate crimes are on the rise....."


They're letting giraffes ask questions now?



Arrrrrrrr, arrr arr ar, arrrrrrr arrrrrrrrr arrrrr!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2017 02:36 PM (DfQBn)

150 >>Maybe way up north in Bodo or Svalbard. Oslo not so much, I'm afraid.

Last time I was in Norway which is about 5 years ago I was in Stavanger in southern Norway. Lots of Muslims and growing.

I remember my friend telling me the problem was that the Muslims had no desire to integrate into the Norwegian population but wanted to keep all of their "customs". Now where have I heard that before?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 02:36 PM (/tuJf)

151
Now I'm watching Gaia's Kittens.


At least they're already born.


--

I'm intrigued by your ideas.

Do you have a link to aforementioned kittens?

Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 02:36 PM (FkAXz)

152 If the GOPe wanted to strip Planned Parenthood funds... do it in a clean bill...
Posted by: Don Q.
_____

It won't pass in a clean bill, that's why it was put in there.

But the Freedom Caucus is going to have their "purity" but nothing to show for it. They haven't had a single damn victory to show for. Now they saved ObamaCare for another 4 years. Trump said he's moving on, I tend to believe him.

But let's make sure we have a "clean" PP defund bill and a "clean" ObamaCare " repeal that fails so they can talk about it in their fundraising newsletters.

Remember, the Freedom caucus voted for Paul Ryan to be Speaker, so you'll excuse me if I'm skeptical how serious they really are.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 02:37 PM (R4/1o)

153

Harris County Sheriff, most populous county in Texas, says he will no longer interface with ICE for deportation

So 18 other counties have said they will step in

Fucking Houston

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 02:37 PM (D1AgW)

154 CHEKHOV WAS NOT IN SPACE SEED!!!!
Posted by: Star Trek geek at March 27, 2017 02:35 PM (OD2ni)


He was in the head that episode.

Posted by: josephistan at March 27, 2017 02:37 PM (7HtZB)

155 Do you have a link to aforementioned kittens?


Just type Gaia's Kittens in the YT search bar.

She's a Maine Coon cat with 6 babies.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 27, 2017 02:38 PM (ul9CR)

156 Pro tip: defending PP doesn't depend on repealing Ocare, and vice versa .


Shh. He's rolling.

Posted by: Grump928(c) doesn't want to go to the cornfield at March 27, 2017 02:38 PM (QQ+il)

157 Remember, the Freedom caucus voted for Paul Ryan to be Speaker, so you'll excuse me if I'm skeptical how serious they really are.

Remember, the House and Senate voted for a reconciliation bill they called repeal in 2016, so you'll excuse me if I'm skeptical how serious they really are.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 27, 2017 02:39 PM (tFWWx)

158 Ace: "I'm under the weather..."

Get Well
Get Well Soon
We Want You To Get Well

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 27, 2017 02:40 PM (1CroS)

159
But the Freedom Caucus is going to have their "purity" but nothing to show for it. They haven't had a single damn victory to show for. Now they saved ObamaCare for another 4 years. Trump said he's moving on, I tend to believe him.
--

IIRC, Ryancare had premiums going up for the next three years.

That's cool if your employer is paying your healthcare bills and you're not, but I'm self-employed, and my premium is a rent payment. If it is guaranteed to increase, it will be a mortgage payment.

Since Obamacare started, my premiums have gone through the roof, so really, more increases is not something that I'd favor.

Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 02:40 PM (FkAXz)

160 Cleaning/repairing inner-city parks is apparently always needed in Lefty minds. Ack!


Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 02:08 PM (NOIQH)

The Lefties might ask themselves WHY inner-city parks are always in need of cleaning and/or repair. Could it be something to do with the local denizens?My sons and I run up and down a nearby six story set of outdoor steps that go up a wooded hillside to a low-income condo complex on the ridge line. It's actually quite nice ... except for all the trash that the condo residents throw on either side of the steps. Being civic-minded, we used to clean up the trash, but we've given up, because two days after we clean up it's covered in trash again.I'm sorry, but while on one hand I have sympathy for the impecunious, on the other I have none whatever for people throwing their trash everywhere (there are trash cans at the bottom and top of the steps). That goes to character, straight up.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 27, 2017 02:41 PM (SRKgf)

161 Harris County Sheriff, most populous county in Texas, says he will no longer interface with ICE for deportation

So 18 other counties have said they will step in

Fucking Houston



Travis, Harris, & Dallas counties need to be jettisoned into the sun.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2017 02:42 PM (DfQBn)

162 She's a Maine Coon cat with 6 babies.
---

OMG. Maine Coon is my favorite breed.

[babies are sleeping now.. will check back later. THANKS!]

Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 02:42 PM (FkAXz)

163 The premium increase associated with Fredocare is only part of the problem...almost a small one. The HUGE problem is the restricted networks, no choice, huge and I mean Biglly deductibles that make it like having no insurance at all.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 02:43 PM (KlI/a)

164 According to Politico Trump's agenda has stalled.

Imagine that - two months in and his agenda has stalled. Looks like its going to be an early term for Trump.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Has Got it, Yeah Baby It's Got It at March 27, 2017 02:43 PM (hLRSq)

165 He was in the head that episode.

Posted by: josephistan at March 27, 2017 02:37 PM (7HtZB)

He was giving head that episode??!?
Ohhh myyyyyy!

Posted by: Sulu at March 27, 2017 02:43 PM (8iiMU)

166 Let me get this straight--pro-life women were not allowed to march with the pussy-hatters, but women who are pro-Sharia and everything that means (burqas, honor killings and clitorectomies) were.
Seems odd to me.

Posted by: Northernlurker at March 27, 2017 02:43 PM (hJrjt)

167 There's zero chance this woman is a feminist, but I'm sure she's able to parrot the feminist line. She's a palestinian activist, and Muslim crap-stirrer, who's there to hate on Israel and promote Muslim dominance. The fact that there are some truly idiotic leftists that buy into her leftspeak is just evidence of their credulity and stupidity.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 02:43 PM (39g3+)

168 Can't be any worse than O'Bummer's Mom, biologic Dad, surrogate Dads, spiritual leader, academic associates and cabinet appointees --or Huma's Muslim Brotherhood Mom and personal past.

But Trump's associates in the energy business did business with the Russians!!

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 27, 2017 02:44 PM (QtQaN)

169 April whats her face starts her question to Sean Spicer with "Hate crimes are on the rise....."





They're letting giraffes ask questions now?

Spicer has learned a lot in the last couple months....He has learned to handle the press like they should be handled...Maybe I'd like him to say "shutup, you've asked the same stupid question several different ways, just go away" but he has to be polite I guess....Sort of like getting a question from Maxine Waters, or Hank Johnson about islands tipping over.

Posted by: Colin at March 27, 2017 02:44 PM (odQZE)

170 [babies are sleeping now.. will check back later. THANKS!]

13 days old. Their eyes just opened in the last few days but aren't focused yet. None of them have found their back legs yet. It's fun watching them stagger around like little drunken sailors!

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 27, 2017 02:44 PM (ul9CR)

171 132 Pro tip: defending PP doesn't depend on repealing Ocare, and vice versa .
Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 27, 2017 02:32 PM (NZu+i)



It's kinda like saying neither PP nor Ocare can be fixed until we do something about the DH rule.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 27, 2017 02:44 PM (SRKgf)

172 Does Ace have norovirus? Are we sending a get-well card?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 27, 2017 02:45 PM (8eDKi)

173 "He was in the head that episode.
Posted by: josephistan"


Heh. The reality was probably that they needed an original character for that scene, but none of the others made sense except for Sulu. And George Takei is a terrible actor.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 27, 2017 02:45 PM (OD2ni)

174 until we do something about the DH rule.
__________________



Don't tease me.. Stupidest rule ever.

Posted by: IP at March 27, 2017 02:46 PM (UmSfZ)

175 All of this "but I wanted the repeal I was promised!!!" is exactly how I feel, but once it was clear that it was not political reality and Trump said he was then going to move on, some solutions were better than the status quo and the Retard Caucus should have known that.

It would be like wanting a flat tax but instead only getting a tax cut.


ObamaCare is not going to get a full, clean repeal for several years now. Anyone that sells you otherwise is lying to you.

You really think now Trump is going to revisit this after that humiliation? he has said he's going to wait until it blows up. And now he's courting Democrats to go around the Freedom Caucus.

But some people got to showboat, which is what this was about. I bet most of the Freedom Caucus didn't even vote for Trump, most of it was NeverTrumper alliances like the Koch Bros.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 02:46 PM (R4/1o)

176 People are having a hard time understanding why Johnny Rotten , that old "anarchist" punk rocker likes Trump and is in favor of Brexit. I don't .
It all makes sense.

Posted by: JoeF. at March 27, 2017 02:46 PM (7uYFy)

177 166 Let me get this straight--pro-life women were not allowed to march with the pussy-hatters, but women who are pro-Sharia and everything that means (burqas, honor killings and clitorectomies) were.
Seems odd to me.
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 27, 2017 02:43 PM (hJrjt)



It's complicated. You wouldn't understand. You have to have majored in Gender Studies to puzzle this one out.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 27, 2017 02:46 PM (SRKgf)

178 Lizzy: "Even her lawyer's statement indicated they knew they could find no sympathy in the federal government now that Obama's gone."

Send her lawyers with her. She's a GD convicted terrorist! Exactly how does she deserve sympathy from any rational human? Oh, right... lawyer =/= human. Nevermind.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 27, 2017 02:47 PM (1CroS)

179 Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 02:37 PM (R4/1o)

And that's your opinion...

If it cannot pass in a clean bill... then simply take it OUT of the next series of Appropriation bills... let the DEMS shut down the Government...

Easy... peasy...

But you'd rather piss on the people who actually were trying to keep the campaign promise they made...

Posted by: Don Q. at March 27, 2017 02:47 PM (NgKpN)

180 "Harris County Sheriff, most populous county in Texas, says he will no longer interface with ICE for deportation"


A lot of people say a lot of things. Let's see what happens to the bravado when push comes to shove.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Has Got it, Yeah Baby It's Got It at March 27, 2017 02:47 PM (hLRSq)

181 174 until we do something about the DH rule.
__________________
Don't tease me.. Stupidest rule ever.
Posted by: IP at March 27, 2017 02:46 PM (UmSfZ)



Agreed. DH was to MLB pretty much as Obongocare was to health insurance.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 27, 2017 02:47 PM (SRKgf)

182 The HUGE problem is the restricted networks, no choice, huge and I mean Biglly deductibles that make it like having no insurance at all.

Posted by: Nevergiveup


If the per person expenditure for health care is now $9,500 per year -- than monthly insurance cost per person would need to be $791.00 per month to cover that cost.

We're past the point of no return.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 02:48 PM (ZFUt7)

183 >>>until we do something about the DH rule.


Have to take out DST first.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 27, 2017 02:48 PM (JO9+V)

184 >>But you'd rather piss on the people who actually were trying to keep the campaign promise they made...

Pretty sure every Republican, including Trump, promised to get rid of Obamacare. All we are arguing about now is process.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 02:48 PM (/tuJf)

185 DH Rule = Pitcher Participation Trophy

Posted by: IP at March 27, 2017 02:48 PM (UmSfZ)

186 Let me get this straight--pro-life women were not allowed to march with the pussy-hatters, but women who are pro-Sharia and everything that means (burqas, honor killings and clitorectomies) were.
Seems odd to me
--

I work with liberals.

Here's how it works:

Pro-life means religious and conservative.
Liberals hate conservatives and religion
Muslims hate conservatives and other religion

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

So... liberal women love islam and sharia because they are against conservatives and Christianity. They seem them as sisters in the march against the Repressive Patriarchy and Religion. Even though islam is a million times more repressive than they could ever imagine. "Useful Idiots for Islam."

And yes, their heads should be exploding from the cognitive dissonance, among other things.

Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 02:49 PM (FkAXz)

187 "176 People are having a hard time understanding why Johnny Rotten , that old "anarchist" punk rocker likes Trump and is in favor of Brexit. I don't .
It all makes sense."


Makes sense to me too. He didn't like government busybodies back in the 70's and doesn't like them today. He is not a Party hack acting like a punk like Jello Biafra from the DK's.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 27, 2017 02:49 PM (OD2ni)

188 until we do something about the DH rule.

I like the DP rule

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 27, 2017 02:49 PM (FZYNt)

189 >>>Pretty sure every Republican, including Trump, promised to get rid of Obamacare. All we are arguing about now is process.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 02:48 PM (/tuJf)<<<

Process. We talkin' about process. Process.

Posted by: Allen Iverson at March 27, 2017 02:50 PM (Tstsj)

190 TO put things in perspective:



However off-course or semi-incompetent the Trump administration is,
it remains 10,000,000,000,000 time better than the intentionally toxic
and catastrophic Obama administration, which did every horrible thing
imaginable in extremis and several things which were couldn't even have imagined as well.



No politician os perfect. But Trump is as good as we're likely to ever get, because at least he doesn't care.

Posted by: zombie at March 27, 2017 02:16 PM (DQ4Fv)

I might add: Hillary Rodham Clinton will never be President. And if PDT does nothing else, he did that.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 27, 2017 02:50 PM (jK8Z7)

191 NGU, respectfully, no, the premium spikes are not a small one, not in many states. A 400% overnight increase, taking it into mortgage territory, whereas the day before it was barely twice the cable/internet bill ...... WITH the high deductibles and restricted access you mention .... = disaster.


Know several people - never uninsured in their lives, self-sufficient, but not rolling in $$$ - who have had to radically change their plans, change their work/business plans, go "naked" without insurance awaiting Medicare age, etc.


I mention this constantly but it is the best kept secret (ONLY secret, perhaps) left in the US. When Trump would talk about these trifling 20-40% increases in O-care plans (or employer plans, was never clear which he was referring to) it seemed pretty clear he didn't understand the problem.


And note: this destruction of the individual market had nothing to do with financing/enabling the absurd unsustainable and crappy O-care plans - it was a stand-alone bit of mega-vandalism.


Further note: a "concession" floated to the Freedom Caucus at the last second was ..... drum roll .... a provision to eliminate the disastrous imposition of requirements that destroyed the individual market. WTF? How is addressing the single largest area of damage from O-care a "concession" to "conservatives"? If it wouldn't survive a germaneness test on a reconciliation bill, then why offer it, either?


That single tidbit, I fear, fully exposed the dishonesty and irresponsibility of the Ryan disaster. Either there was a process problem, or there wasn't. And if addressing the single most serious and most easily solved problem from O-care is a "concession", which party are we even talking about?

Posted by: rhomboid at March 27, 2017 02:50 PM (QDnY+)

192 >>>Remember, the Freedom caucus voted for Paul Ryan to be Speaker, so you'll excuse me if I'm skeptical how serious they really are.>>

When the first Tea Party candidates were voted into office about 50 per cent were rolled by the *establishment. There is no doubt the establishment is rolling now.

If they are able to separate CA into two states it will have significant influence on the house and senate.

Posted by: gNewt at March 27, 2017 02:50 PM (tBswe)

193 Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 02:46 PM (R4/1o)

The whole thing has a definite reek of NeverTrumpers temporarily salving their massive butthurt by sticking it to PDT.

But it won't end well for them. Do they expect a seat at the table next time? It's like they don't even know Donald Trump if they think so.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 27, 2017 02:51 PM (ul9CR)

194 >>>>Does Ace have norovirus? Are we sending a get-well card?
.
.
.
.Dengue fever no doubt.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 27, 2017 02:51 PM (le7jz)

195 >>The Lefties might ask themselves WHY inner-city parks are always in need
of cleaning and/or repair. Could it be something to do with the local
denizens?


ding ding ding ding!

I'm a bit cranky after 8 long years of Obama billing most holidays as a day of service, and officially declaring 9/11 National Day of Service early in his presidency. That's nice you and Michelle went to an inner city school and painted the walls on July 4th, or worked at a food kitchen on Thanksgiving, etc., but you will not turn every celebration into your twisted Commie interpretation of "my brother's keeper"!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 02:51 PM (NOIQH)

196 This evil shrew should have been given a one way ticket to Gitmo.

Posted by: Fritz at March 27, 2017 02:51 PM (2Mnv1)

197 Ace hasn't been having too many of these sick days sincehe started taking care of himself.They used to be very common.

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2017 02:51 PM (r/0kC)

198 163 The premium increase associated with Fredocare is only part of the problem...almost a small one. The HUGE problem is the restricted networks, no choice, huge and I mean Biglly deductibles that make it like having no insurance at all.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 02:43 PM (KlI/a)



The massive deductibles were an I obviously cynical ploy.

"Hey, I got health insurance for $50.00 a month! Yay! That Obama is great!"

Counting on retards not figuring out that they've got a $10,000 deductible. Of course the monthly premium is cheap.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 27, 2017 02:52 PM (SRKgf)

199 >>>I like the DP rule
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 27, 2017 02:49 PM (FZYNt)

I figured you for a DVDA kind of girl.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 27, 2017 02:52 PM (8eDKi)

200 And yes, their heads should be exploding from the cognitive dissonance, among other things.


Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 02:49 PM (FkAXz)

I'll post again: I have long awaited the War of the Fellow Travelers. I thought Orlando was a harbinger, but the tactical alliance is still useful to everyone concerned. That is, until it isn't. When they start fighting each other, my money is on the suicide bombers.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 27, 2017 02:52 PM (jK8Z7)

201 but you will not turn every celebration into your twisted Commie interpretation of "my brother's keeper"!


Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 02:51 PM (NOIQH)

How about "my brother's prison guard?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 27, 2017 02:53 PM (SRKgf)

202
If they are able to separate CA into two states it will have significant influence on the house and senate.
Posted by: gNewt at March 27, 2017 02:50 PM (tBswe)


That will never happen

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 02:53 PM (lKyWE)

203 It's cool that Johnny Rotten is down with Brexit and Trump, and that he likes the Queen and hopes today's SJW's won't use the Sex Pistols' "God Save the Queen" when she passes (but you know they will.)

Now he just needs to do something about that hair. Cuz that's just embarrassing at his age.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 27, 2017 02:53 PM (ul9CR)

204 Dengue fever no doubt.


Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 27, 2017 02:51 PM (le7jz)


Distemper. Paw and Mouth Disease. Tennis Elbow. Hairballs.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Has Got it, Yeah Baby It's Got It at March 27, 2017 02:53 PM (hLRSq)

205 That single tidbit, I fear, fully exposed the dishonesty and irresponsibility of the Ryan disaster. Either there was a process problem, or there wasn't. And if addressing the single most serious and most easily solved problem from O-care is a "concession", which party are we even talking about?
Posted by: rhomboid at March 27, 2017 02:50 PM (QDnY+)

I'll add... they had SEVEN YEARS to craft a plan...

Yet Ryan had to write this bill, with outside help, in SECRET, in a matter of days...

If they had meant to actually do this, don't you think they would, after SEVEN YEARS of promising us repeal... of making it a major election issue, have had a plan ready?

Posted by: Don Q. at March 27, 2017 02:54 PM (NgKpN)

206 Could be ebola.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 02:54 PM (/tuJf)

207 194 >>>>Does Ace have norovirus? Are we sending a get-well card?
.
.
.Dengue fever no doubt.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 27, 2017 02:51 PM (le7jz)



Distemper.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 27, 2017 02:54 PM (SRKgf)

208 People will still get sick even with ubamacare to work miracles. Free stuff will always be around for those who want others to pay their way. Bet on it. When America goes broke, I suppose those people will die. Like they do in other countries not named America. Don't get me started.

Posted by: Eromero at March 27, 2017 02:54 PM (zLDYs)

209 Yes, RynoCare would've defunded PP. . . for one year only.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 27, 2017 02:31 PM (mbhDw)

Which , IMO, was a stick or a carrot, depending on your incentive views, to vote for phase two and three, which I believe included a full defunding measure.

Bill's have that kind of "incentive" put in them all the time. But alas, that is another failing of Ryan and his supporters in not getting the explanation out regarding that measure in the bill.

Posted by: Jen at March 27, 2017 02:54 PM (yxZrv)

210 Pretty sure every Republican, including Trump, promised to get rid of Obamacare. All we are arguing about now is process.
Posted by: JackStraw
_________

They used the phrase "repeal and replace" which meant "we're keeping a lot of the shitty parts because its now an enshrined entitlement"

Already enough Republican Senators have formally come forward and said they won't do just a repeal bill that it can't pass the Senate. And there's probably more.

Trump's own WH said he wouldn't just sign a repeal bill.

So we're just going to keep being promised a unicorn by a handful of people that have absolutely no idea how to actually repeal it.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 02:55 PM (R4/1o)

211 Looks like there are two big boobs back on FBN from 3p - 4p Eastern.

Liz Claman is back, still needing a horse tranquilizer, but looking all right in her bright sort of hideous red/pink top. It looks like some sort of neon Crayola color!




Posted by: anchor babe fashion cop at March 27, 2017 02:55 PM (8iiMU)

212 >>Yet Ryan had to write this bill, with outside help, in SECRET, in a matter of days...

Well that's not even close to true.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 02:55 PM (/tuJf)

213 If it wouldn't survive a germaneness test on a reconciliation bill, then why offer it, either?



I heard Ted Cruz on this issue in the last few days. No one has ever asked the Senate Parliamentarian, and she is available to advise. By the way, in the end the decider as to what is germane and what is not is the presiding officer of the Senate, not the Parliamentarian. If we could get Pence to get some Justice Brennan lessons, everything would be germane.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 27, 2017 02:56 PM (jK8Z7)

214 Ewoks can be tough to keep in the city. It's probly just an intestinal worm or something. I wouldn't worry, the vet can get him a couple pills and they should dissolve or pass.

Posted by: IP at March 27, 2017 02:56 PM (UmSfZ)

215 Obamacare's entire scheme was to move money from the wealthy to the poor, but the problem is the wealthy don't need insurance, and the bulk of young people have no interest in it. Why put Red Bull and weed money into insurance when you're indestructible and immortal?

In order for the scheme to work it absolutely has to have the majority of people who don't need it paying for those few who do. And if you don't need it, why the hell pay?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 02:56 PM (39g3+)

216 until we do something about the DH rule.


The American League plays a game similar to baseball ...

Posted by: Grump928(c) doesn't want to go to the cornfield at March 27, 2017 02:56 PM (QQ+il)

217 "April whats her face starts her question to Sean Spicer with 'Hate crimes are on the rise....'"

I've been losing respect steadily for a bunch of people since this administration launched (cough Jim Mattis cough).

Latest example: Sen. Tim Scott had a town hall where he had this very same bullshit question put to him, and what does he do?

He immediately _cedes the premise_ to the questioner, and talks about how sad and disappointed he is about the "wave of hate crimes".

Instead of challenging the premise, and pointing out that it's REPORTS of hate crimes that are on the up, and that virtually all such reports have turned out to be inflated or faked entirely upon careful investigation.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 27, 2017 02:56 PM (noWW6)

218 Most of the people who "became insured" under Fredo-Care joined Medicaid. They could have done that before they were forced into it but the dishonest DC politicos, GOPe like Gov Kasick, and the lying liars who lie to us all touted how many new people now had insurance.

The number of people who LOST their insurance they could afford, the doctors they liked, the plans they could customize for their point in life, well that number is in the tens of millions.

Glad to see the Freedom Caucus held the line on Ryno-Care.

Posted by: Boots at March 27, 2017 02:57 PM (EBwPV)

219 Question: a local sheriff or PD refuses to work with ICE, becoming a "sanctuary organization" or something. PD picks up an illegal alien for assault. Illegal alien gets a slap on the wrist; no deportation of course.

Then said illegal alien goes and rapes/kills a woman.

Can the woman's family sue the "sanctuary organization?"

Posted by: MacGruber at March 27, 2017 02:57 PM (S+el1)

220 We've been trying to split California up for years, but most of the lib population along the coast stop it. The new lib States would be Venezuela in short order without the regular people, even the democrats realized that.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 27, 2017 02:57 PM (6Ll1u)

221 Don't be ridculous. Ace has rickets. He refuses to eat properly and probably has marthambles as well. I recommend some Peruvian bark, but if he can't get that, a course of leeches.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 02:57 PM (39g3+)

222 The whole thing has a definite reek of NeverTrumpers temporarily salving their massive butthurt by sticking it to PDT.

But it won't end well for them. Do they expect a seat at the table next time? It's like they don't even know Donald Trump if they think so.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?

_______

I agree, I think this was more personal and about denying a victory for Donald Trump than people realize.

And these people have ZERO victories to show over the years.

But be sure to sign up for the next TruCon cruise where guest speakers will talk about all the wonderful ideas they have once we get a 70 seat majority in the Senate.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 02:58 PM (R4/1o)

223 Can the woman's family sue the "sanctuary organization?"

Not in my court

Posted by: Leftist Judge signing a travel EO restraining order at March 27, 2017 02:58 PM (39g3+)

224 >>How about "my brother's prison guard?"


Heh

I volunteer and donate to local charities, but the Left has this "service" fetish because they think we *owe* the poor for our success or something - the whole "give back" thing. Turning every holiday into a guilt trip - why have a big Thanksgiving event when you could be feeding others, why think about 9/11 when you could be cleaning up after the inner-city poor? How dare you enjoy friends and family celebration something like our country's independence, or give gratitude for our country's existence?!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 02:58 PM (NOIQH)

225 Sorry you are under the weather Ace. Sounds like Rift Valley Fever.
You should probably take a day or two off and put your affairs in order.
Make a smoothie with banana, stawberry, and the juice from a small bottle of val-u-rite and call your blog in the morning.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 27, 2017 02:58 PM (tTTfk)

226 212 >>Yet Ryan had to write this bill, with outside help, in SECRET, in a matter of days...

Well that's not even close to true.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 02:55 PM (/tuJf)

Actually... its very true...

Rand Paul even made videos where he is trying to FIND the dang bill...

Posted by: Don Q. at March 27, 2017 02:58 PM (NgKpN)

227
It's lupus. Always.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 02:58 PM (ZFUt7)

228 Might be coconut oil?

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at March 27, 2017 02:59 PM (vtcmf)

229
Can the woman's family sue the "sanctuary organization?"
Posted by: MacGruber at March 27, 2017 02:57 PM (S+el1)


Nope

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 02:59 PM (lKyWE)

230 Can the woman's family sue the "sanctuary organization?"



Posted by: MacGruber at March 27, 2017 02:57 PM (S+el1)

Possibly the individuals who made the decision. Their official immunity does not extend to acts that are unlawful, and you could at least make the argument that the release was unlawful.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 27, 2017 02:59 PM (jK8Z7)

231 I agree, I think this was more personal and about denying a victory for Donald Trump than people realize.

So it couldn't possibly be just "you promised you'd repeal, it needs repealing, the ACA is an abomination we need to get rid of, not adjust slightly?" Occam's razor folks.

Posted by: Leftist Judge signing a travel EO restraining order at March 27, 2017 02:59 PM (39g3+)

232 NGU, respectfully, no, the premium spikes are not a small one, not in many states. A 400% overnight increase, taking it into mortgage territory, whereas the day before it was barely twice the cable/internet bill ...... WITH the high deductibles and restricted access you mention .... = disaster.


I am not minimizing the premium hikes, just trying to point out there are many other issues. And one of the reasons for the premium hikes is the pre-exisitng condition crap

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 27, 2017 02:59 PM (KlI/a)

233 There should be a clean and complete repeal. Anything less - President Donald Trump did not keep his word,

>>>
If they are able to separate CA into two states it will have significant influence on the house and senate.
Posted by: gNewt at March 27, 2017 02:50 PM (tBswe)


That will never happen

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 02:53 PM (lKyWE) <<<

It's up on Drudge - Ag and Tech has brought Farage over for the assist.

Posted by: gNewt at March 27, 2017 03:00 PM (tBswe)

234 No rise in hate crimes but a definite rise in hatred from the Left.

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2017 03:00 PM (r/0kC)

235 Does Ace have norovirus? Are we sending a get-well card?

Some strong dewormer and he should be as good as new.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 27, 2017 03:01 PM (BWL+E)

236 219 Question: a local sheriff or PD refuses to work with ICE, becoming a "sanctuary organization" or something. PD picks up an illegal alien for assault. Illegal alien gets a slap on the wrist; no deportation of course.

Then said illegal alien goes and rapes/kills a woman.

Can the woman's family sue the "sanctuary organization?"

Posted by: MacGruber at March 27, 2017 02:57 PM (S+el1)

simpler, its still a felony to knowingly aid and abet an illegal to stay in the US.

Arrest those who would not follow the hold order... and those who ORDERED those Legal orders not to be followed...

Hold them PERSONALLY responsible... which is perfectly legal....

Posted by: Don Q. at March 27, 2017 03:01 PM (NgKpN)

237 It's cool that Johnny Rotten is down with Brexit and Trump, and that he likes the Queen and hopes today's SJW's won't use the Sex Pistols' "God Save the Queen" when she passes (but you know they will.)

Now he just needs to do something about that hair. Cuz that's just embarrassing at his age.

-----------------------------------------


OMG have you seen Pat Metheney's hair? He's on tour this summer and in the ads he has hair bigger than the biggest big hair gal from the '70's. It's like all the hair from every bald old rocker ended up on Metheney's head.

Posted by: Boots at March 27, 2017 03:01 PM (EBwPV)

238 I hope she does well with her feminism back in Good Ol' Palestine.

Posted by: t-bird at March 27, 2017 03:01 PM (2z74n)

239 >>Actually... its very true...

>>Rand Paul even made videos where he is trying to FIND the dang bill..

Sorry, it's just not. It was written by the 4 relevant committees which included all sorts of members, including Freedom Caucus members. Some of the hearings were even televised on CSPAN.

I know this because I watched some of them.

Rand Paul made a staged event where he tried to get into one of those hearings knowing full well neither he nor anyone else not on the committee was going to be given access to the some of the negotiations anymore than House members are allowed to walk into Senate committee meetings.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 03:01 PM (/tuJf)

240 >>>They used the phrase "repeal and replace" which
meant "we're keeping a lot of the shitty parts because its now an
enshrined entitlement"



Already enough Republican Senators have formally come forward and
said they won't do just a repeal bill that it can't pass the Senate.
And there's probably more.



Trump's own WH said he wouldn't just sign a repeal bill.



So we're just going to keep being promised a unicorn by a handful
of people that have absolutely no idea how to actually repeal it.



Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 02:55 PM (R4/1o)<<<

I-I-I-I l-l-l-ike the w-a-a-a-y this guy th-th-th-i-i-i-nks. E-e-e-very o-o-o-other mem-m-m-mber o-o-o-f Congress should h-e-e-e-ed my w-w-w-ill.

Posted by: S-s-s-usan Co-o-ollins (R'tard - ME) at March 27, 2017 03:02 PM (Tstsj)

241 "If the per person expenditure for health care is now $9,500 per year -- than monthly insurance cost per person would need to be $791.00 per month to cover that cost."

Most people don't see their share directly, but they do pay it indirectly, because their employer looks at it as part of all-in labor expense. For most households it's more than housing.

Government programs like Medicare and Medicaid pay less than their per capita share, driving up costs for everyone else.

The USA pays most of the drug development costs for the entire World.

Because most of the items above are funneled through employer labor costs, it's a HUGE disincentive to hire American workers.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 03:02 PM (SIY7D)

242 Moments ago Attorney General Jeff Sessions made a surprise appearance at Sean Spicer's daily White House press briefing to announce that his DOJ will be taking steps to not only require that so-called 'sanctuary cities' enforce federal immigration laws but would also be seeking to claw back past DOJ awards granted to those cities if they refuse to certify compliance.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 27, 2017 03:02 PM (2x9LM)

243 I'll add... they had SEVEN YEARS to craft a plan...

Yet Ryan had to write this bill, with outside help, in SECRET, in a matter of days...

If they had meant to actually do this, don't you think they would, after SEVEN YEARS of promising us repeal... of making it a major election issue, have had a plan ready?
Posted by: Don Q. at March 27, 2017 02:54 PM (NgKpN)

People keep saying that the GOP had seven years to write a repeal.

You have to remember that in that seven year period, Sebelius and the following HHS secretaries, all wrote hundreds of regulations, rules, etc. to try to cement this thing into law and into practice. You couldn't write a bill in 2009 that would have worked in 2017, because the problems the 2009 bill would address would either have been replaced by new problems, and there would be rules, regs, funding, blah blah, that had been changed.

Additionally, the insurance companies were now in a different modus operendi, remember when the bill was first passed, the insurance companies were supportive and on board because they thought they had mandated customers who would dutifully come on board and pay premiums or get premiums paid by the gov.

Far fewer enrollees because guess what, the government despite spending a hundred million dollars on a website, hired Democrat cronies to build it that turned out to be somebody's kids who couldn't create a Facebook page, much less a government website that signed people up for insurance.

The first two years saw a slow pickup and fighting from states wanting to expand Medicaid and their own legislatures fighting it, sometimes successfully , sometimes not.

Not to mention there are house and senate members on both sides of the aisle who were not in congress in 2009.

This thing has been a moving target, and needed to be currently worked on with the current legislature to even have a chance of passage.

Posted by: Jen at March 27, 2017 03:02 PM (yxZrv)

244 236 simpler, its still a felony to knowingly aid and abet an illegal to stay in the US.

Arrest those who would not follow the hold order... and those who ORDERED those Legal orders not to be followed...

Hold them PERSONALLY responsible... which is perfectly legal....
Posted by: Don Q. at March 27, 2017 03:01 PM (NgKpN)

====================

I thought that there was some law that protected government employees from personal punishment while doing their government jobs?

Or is that just federal employees?

I know that it's a thing on some level.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:02 PM (mC1ZI)

245 The only things limiting what you can sue are standing and a judge that will hear the case. If you have some actual legal reason and foundation to sue (like, you're not suing the governor for harming a person from another state you have no relation to) and you can find a judge that will hear it, you can sue anything for anything.

Its just tough to jump those hurdles on politically-charged cases.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:03 PM (39g3+)

246 OT. but I see the Raiders are moving to Las Vegas but playing out the next two seasons in Oakland. Home games should be awkward.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 27, 2017 03:03 PM (OD2ni)

247 I volunteer and donate to local charities, but the
Left has this "service" fetish because they think we *owe* the poor for
our success or something - the whole "give back" thing. Turning every
holiday into a guilt trip - why have a big Thanksgiving event when you
could be feeding others, why think about 9/11 when you could be cleaning
up after the inner-city poor? How dare you enjoy friends and family
celebration something like our country's independence, or give gratitude
for our country's existence?!


Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 02:58 PM (NOIQH)

Just pointing out, there was this guy a couple of thousand years ago who opined that we have an obligation to serve our neighbors and to love them as our Father loves us. What He did NOT say was that we have an obligation to give to the government, and then let the government serve our neighbors on our behalf. And He said nothing whatsoever about using the coercive power of government to force unwilling third parties to donate to the government-run charitable enterprise as well. But as for us as individuals, yeah, we kind of have a duty.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 27, 2017 03:03 PM (jK8Z7)

248 In order for the scheme to work it absolutely has to have the majority of people who don't need it paying for those few who do. And if you don't need it, why the hell pay?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 02:56 PM (39g3+)



We have this problem because most people are retarded, and do not understand insurance or how it works. Most people do not need insurance, but some do. The problem is that no one knows who is going to need insurance, and if it turns out you need it but don't have it, you're going to have to bear the cost of a catastrophic loss yourself.

To avoid that risk, people buy insurance to convert an unlikely but catastrophic loss into a certain but recurring small loss.

The problem is that that model works fine for, e.g., auto or house insurance, but not so well for health insurance, because almost everyone will need it at one or more times in their lives.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 27, 2017 03:03 PM (SRKgf)

249 I'm tired of the perfect Ivanka and her husband what's his name. Neither one of them is old enough to know squat. I see two born on third base types thinking they deserve a triple. And what's his name is the typical son of a rich jailbird thinking he is going to be super-mensch and reclaim the family honor. They trail after Trump like puppies. Trump's sons are getting their chance to be men and seem to be taking advantage of it.

Posted by: Lester at March 27, 2017 03:03 PM (LfJIn)

250 Don Q.: "I'll add... they had SEVEN YEARS to craft a plan..."

And the plan was executed brilliantly. The GOPe, with Ryan having been a relatively senior member for years now, successfully promoted the issue to flip the government. You think the plan was actually Repeal? Silly kids. The plan was to have the issue, not the solution.

And that is our Uniparty. They exist to have issues. The solution only matters if the issue can be maintained for the sake of incumbency.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 27, 2017 03:03 PM (1CroS)

251 Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday he'll begin punishing sanctuary cities, withholding potentially billions of dollars in federal money, and even clawing back funds that had been doled out in the past.

The press is going to go all out on Trump and Sessions now! How dare he, children will die, old people will die, .......etc.

Posted by: Colin at March 27, 2017 03:03 PM (odQZE)

252 What depresses me is the realization that the Democrats always get their agenda. Always. They always wield power over everything, even when the party itself is at the lowest number of office-holders in decades.

When Democrats gain things, those things never go away, are never rolled back, never disappear. They are always. And as noted, yeah, I'm depressed.

Trump may slow things for a bit, but he cannot overcome Democrats and their "get support from stupid people" plan. THe downward slide still points downward.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 27, 2017 03:03 PM (MZcWR)

253 has, have, had
has, have, had
has, have, had
has, have, had

Posted by: gNewt at March 27, 2017 03:04 PM (tBswe)

254 Possibly the individuals who made the decision. Their official immunity does not extend to acts that are unlawful, and you could at least make the argument that the release was unlawful.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 27, 2017 02:59 PM (jK8Z7)

Harboring -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation.
Encouraging/Inducing -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv) makes it an offense for any person who -- encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law.
Conspiracy/Aiding or Abetting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(v) expressly makes it an offense to engage in a conspiracy to commit or aid or abet the commission of the foregoing offenses.

Posted by: Don Q. at March 27, 2017 03:04 PM (NgKpN)

255 The only way a 2 State Cali works is if one State is a 30 mile strip from LA to Frisco is one State, and the rest of the state left over is the other.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 27, 2017 03:04 PM (6Ll1u)

256 I thought that there was some law that protected
government employees from personal punishment while doing their
government jobs?



Or is that just federal employees?



I know that it's a thing on some level.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:02 PM (mC1ZI)

Yes, but they have to be acting under color of law. If they are doing an illegal action, their status as government officials does not protect them personally.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 27, 2017 03:04 PM (jK8Z7)

257 247 Just pointing out, there was this guy a couple of thousand years ago who opined that we have an obligation to serve our neighbors and to love them as our Father loves us. What He did NOT say was that we have an obligation to give to the government, and then let the government serve our neighbors on our behalf. And He said nothing whatsoever about using the coercive power of government to force unwilling third parties to donate to the government-run charitable enterprise as well. But as for us as individuals, yeah, we kind of have a duty.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 27, 2017 03:03 PM (jK8Z7)

==================

"Well, you're just going to go to Hell, then. Cause God told me that only the Medicaid expansion was going to get Americans into heave."
-John Kasich

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:05 PM (mC1ZI)

258 "Now he just needs to do something about that hair. Cuz that's just embarrassing at his age."


The Ramones were smart (Joey and Johnny anyway) for always having their over their faces. They really looked the same after 20 years.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 27, 2017 03:05 PM (OD2ni)

259 I recommend some Peruvian bark, but if he can't get that, a course of leeches.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


That's barbaric.
Bloodletting.
Except no substitute.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 03:05 PM (ZFUt7)

260 I volunteer and donate to local charities, but the
Left has this "service" fetish because they think we *owe* the poor for
our success or something - the whole "give back" thing. Turning every
holiday into a guilt trip - why have a big Thanksgiving event when you
could be feeding others, why think about 9/11 when you could be cleaning
up after the inner-city poor? How dare you enjoy friends and family
celebration something like our country's independence, or give gratitude
for our country's existence?!




Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 02:58 PM (NOIQH)



The problem with the Left's perspective is that it denies the poor agency. To what extent are they responsible for their situation? The Left would say, "Not at all," yet that is obviously not the case. The inner-city poor are poor because of poor choices and/or low intelligence. Why other people are to blame for this is a mystery.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 27, 2017 03:05 PM (SRKgf)

261
It's up on Drudge - Ag and Tech has brought Farage over for the assist.
Posted by: gNewt at March 27, 2017 03:00 PM (tBswe)


Assuming the new border would be somewhere near Bakersfield that works out great for tech and ag.The new state of Southern California not so much.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 03:05 PM (lKyWE)

262 It's actually not hard to see why the country is where it is.


"Political reality" is defined by actually not having any votes on the biggest political issue in generations. After gaining near-unprecedented power, nation-wide, largely by taking one side on this issue.


"Untouchable" "entitlements", some of which have long existed under other names, and none of which have a fraction of the political force of the real problems, are sufficient to prevent action on critical issues facing millions.


And even those on the correct side of an issue barely have an understanding of it. Because, this site and others notwithstanding, there is still no "news" available on most topics. If you're in the employer-provided market, as most are, O-care is mostly (so far) an annoyance in principle, with clear unsustainability.


To a very large minority of normally self-sufficient people (numbering 3 to 5 times the number of O-care plan holders), it is the single greatest financial setback in their entire lives.



Posted by: rhomboid at March 27, 2017 03:06 PM (QDnY+)

263 "I'm tired of the perfect Ivanka and her husband what's his name."

That Hollywood guy didn't call Ivanka a dog. He called her a Pekingese. I laughed

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 03:06 PM (SIY7D)

264 Can we dress her up as a giant pusssy and then launch her from a trebuchet on live tv

Posted by: southdakotaboy at March 27, 2017 03:06 PM (JaJ3u)

265 "There should be a clean and complete repeal. Anything less - President Donald Trump did not keep his word"

Trump pushed two mutually contradictory positions, to wit:

(a) "Repealing" Obamacare, while also simultaneously,

(b) Keeping portions of it that he "likes a lot", such as the age 26 parental policy provision, and the pre-existing condition applicant waiver.

Fuckin' policy coherence. How does it work?

Posted by: torquewrench at March 27, 2017 03:06 PM (noWW6)

266 256 Yes, but they have to be acting under color of law. If they are doing an illegal action, their status as government officials does not protect them personally.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 27, 2017 03:04 PM (jK8Z7)

==================

That's it.

Thanks.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:06 PM (mC1ZI)

267 I agree, I think this was more personal and about denying a victory for Donald Trump than people realize.

So it couldn't possibly be just "you promised you'd repeal, it needs repealing, the ACA is an abomination we need to get rid of, not adjust slightly?" Occam's razor folks.
Posted by: Leftist Judge signing a travel EO restraining order

__________


SOME Republicans stated they would only go for 100% repeal. Not all, and much of this was before ObamaCare really kicked in. It was also a lot of Failure Theater.

Trump was saying he would repeal AND replace, and it was clear this was not a "pure" issue for him to say the least.

And now we have basically every Republican governor screaming about MEdiCaid dollars being cut

So this idea there's a secret way to just do a repeal and go home is not political reality. I want it to be, but it's not.

I WANT the damn thing repealed and I don't give a shit who it "hurts" but this idea of a "perfect" bill or we keep ObamaCare is bat shit crazy.

So we're now keeping ObamaCare for several more years.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 03:06 PM (R4/1o)

268 We will make it a pink one!!!!

Posted by: southdakotaboy at March 27, 2017 03:07 PM (JaJ3u)

269 So, from my doggie, Hot Crap, Cold Crap, or Cold and Hard Crap?

Posted by: RobinKaty at March 27, 2017 03:07 PM (uaYXs)

270 That goes to character, straight up.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 27, 2017 02:41

I remember 40 some yrs ago we were on vacation and Dad, not knowing the town, was driving us threw a bad part of Philly. People were sitting on porches and there was trash everywhere.

I asked why they didn't pick up the trash rather than just sit there, folks said something along your point. Yes, I was once young and naïve indeed.

Posted by: Farmer at March 27, 2017 03:07 PM (4bBUU)

271 >>And the plan was executed brilliantly. The GOPe, with Ryan having been a relatively senior member for years now, successfully promoted the issue to flip the government. You think the plan was actually Repeal? Silly kids. The plan was to have the issue, not the solution.


So Ryan's plan was to badly damage his credibility and not repeal Obamacare because ... why? Is there anyone who actually believes this is helpful to Ryan or any other Republican in the House? If the bill didn't start to take down Obamacare, would people not have noticed and rewarded the Republicans anyway?

Not everything is some uniparty conspiracy. Ryan is far from perfect but I don't believe for a second that he didn't want to get rid of Obamacare and flip Obama the middle finger the way Obama did to him when the law was being rammed through.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 03:07 PM (/tuJf)

272 I thought that there was some law that protected government employees from personal punishment while doing their government jobs?

Or is that just federal employees?

I know that it's a thing on some level.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:02 PM (mC1ZI)

sovereign immunity does not prohibit you being prosecuted for crimes you personally commit...

Its like the 'I was just following orders' defense in the Military.... you are still responsible for actions which break the law...

Posted by: Don Q. at March 27, 2017 03:07 PM (NgKpN)

273 260 The problem with the Left's perspective is that it denies the poor agency. To what extent are they responsible for their situation? The Left would say, "Not at all," yet that is obviously not the case. The inner-city poor are poor because of poor choices and/or low intelligence. Why other people are to blame for this is a mystery.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 27, 2017 03:05 PM (SRKgf)

====================

To see an odd manifestation of that attitude watch the Mel Brooks movie Life Stinks.

It actually ends up glorifying homelessness in order to get its message across.

It's a weird place to end the movie, for sure.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:07 PM (mC1ZI)

274 Is Ace taking a sick day, or a personal vacation day?

Gotta keep the books balanced, you know.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2017 03:07 PM (J+eG2)

275 "263 "I'm tired of the perfect Ivanka and her husband what's his name."


My wife (jokingly) hated that picture of Ivanka in the hospital after having the last baby. "How does she look so f'n good after delivering. I hate her."

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 27, 2017 03:08 PM (OD2ni)

276 Is Ace taking a sick day, or a personal vacation day?

Gotta keep the books balanced, you know.





Floating Holiday.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2017 03:08 PM (DfQBn)

277 OT. but I see the Raiders are moving to Las Vegas
but playing out the next two seasons in Oakland. Home games should be
awkward.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 27, 201
Heh, I still have an LA Raiders Sweatshirt.

Posted by: Infidel at March 27, 2017 03:08 PM (uKRys)

278 Anyone else catch the story in Haaretz about the guy who was calling in bomb threats from Israel?
Apparently he'd been doing it for years, but it wasn't getting any media attention until, get this, Trump was elected. The article goes on to say the FBI was recently sent to Israel to amplify the effort in apprehending him.

Long story short: It wasn't a story until Trump became POTUS, and Trump was the driving force behind catching the guy.
Just like Hitler!

Posted by: gewa76 at March 27, 2017 03:08 PM (B6OKy)

279 267 SOME Republicans stated they would only go for 100% repeal. Not all, and much of this was before ObamaCare really kicked in. It was also a lot of Failure Theater.

Trump was saying he would repeal AND replace, and it was clear this was not a "pure" issue for him to say the least.

And now we have basically every Republican governor screaming about MEdiCaid dollars being cut

So this idea there's a secret way to just do a repeal and go home is not political reality. I want it to be, but it's not.

I WANT the damn thing repealed and I don't give a shit who it "hurts" but this idea of a "perfect" bill or we keep ObamaCare is bat shit crazy.

So we're now keeping ObamaCare for several more years.
Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 03:06 PM (R4/1o)

====================

How about a series of bills.

The first one repeals everything.

Do whatever we can to pass that including nuking the filibuster.

The second one finds a way to replace it. Not with more government services, but maybe repeals on existing legislation and regulation.

That's how I would have tried to orchestrate it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:09 PM (mC1ZI)

280 "Sorry -- I just feel like crap."
............

la la. la-la-la-la.
Monday, Monday
so good to me
Monday mornin'
it was all I hoped it would be

Posted by: wth at March 27, 2017 03:09 PM (HgMAr)

281 274 Is Ace taking a sick day, or a personal vacation day?

Gotta keep the books balanced, you know.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2017 03:07 PM (J+eG2)

===================

He's on the one bucket PTO day system.

He's got 5 weeks and he can use them however he wishes.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:10 PM (mC1ZI)

282 So we're now keeping ObamaCare for several more years.

If their stupid bill passed, that's what we get too, but then they'd wash their hands of it. "We did what you asked!" done.

Now its still out there.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:10 PM (39g3+)

283
OT. but I see the Raiders are moving to Las Vegas but playing out the next two seasons in Oakland. Home games should be awkward.

I wonder if you'll be able to bet on Raider games in Vegas

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 03:10 PM (lKyWE)

284 Trump pushed two mutually contradictory positions, to wit:

(a) "Repealing" Obamacare, while also simultaneously,

(b) Keeping portions of it that he "likes a lot", such as the age 26 parental policy provision, and the pre-existing condition applicant waiver.

Fuckin' policy coherence. How does it work?
Posted by: torquewrench

________


And let's not forget when he was arguing for Single Payer like they have in Scotland at a GOP debate.

Trump has far more good than bad qualities, but this was one area anyone with 2 brain cells could see he was "soft"

Once it was clear that you had someone not willing to just do a clean repeal, the Freedom Caucus should have focused on what makes healthcare better and at least moved the process along.

Instead, they chose the status quo for probably the remainder of Trump's term. Plus funding Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 03:11 PM (R4/1o)

285
Everyone needs to bookmark this chart on health care expenditures...

http://www.oftwominds.com/photos2017/
healthcare3-17.jpg

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 03:11 PM (ZFUt7)

286 They used the phrase "repeal and replace" which meant "we're keeping a lot of the shitty parts because its now an enshrined entitlement"

Already enough Republican Senators have formally come forward and said they won't do just a repeal bill that it can't pass the Senate. And there's probably more.

Trump's own WH said he wouldn't just sign a repeal bill.

So we're just going to keep being promised a unicorn by a handful of people that have absolutely no idea how to actually repeal it.
Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 02:55 PM (R4/1o)

Trump said throughout his campaign that every time he spoke to people attending his rallies, he heard over and over again that people wanted him to keep the provision mandating insurance availability to children of policy holders up to age 26.
And most of all, to keep the ban on pre existing conditions being a reason for an insurance turn down to a policy holder.

Those provisions are just like Social Security provisions. or medicare.
Ask anyone over the age of 45 if either of those programs should have benefits rolled back and the screams of "I paid into that " will come forth and the answer is no.

Everyone wants something done as long as they don't lose anything in the process.

So, yes, repeal Obamacare, but don't allow insurance companies to bar pre existing conditions from obtaining a policy. Oh, and how dare insurance companies charge 30% higher premiums to those without insurance who wait a year and then buy it. That was another battle cry.

Posted by: Jen at March 27, 2017 03:11 PM (yxZrv)

287 ...They used the phrase "repeal and replace" which meant "we're keeping a
lot of the shitty parts because its now an enshrined entitlement"...



The lesson that should be taken from this is that once you let a new entitlement take root - and Obamacare has been given 6+ years now - you will NEVER uproot it, short of revolution.
Obamacare needed to be strangled in the crib once the Republicans took the House - BY DE-FUNDING IT - which is the only power they had: the power of the purse. But that would have taken some balls. Which our side distinctly lacks.

Posted by: LGoPs at March 27, 2017 03:11 PM (FoTxO)

288 282 So we're now keeping ObamaCare for several more years.

If their stupid bill passed, that's what we get too, but then they'd wash their hands of it. "We did what you asked!" done.

Now its still out there.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:10 PM (39g3+)

=====================

I feel that the chance of the next bill coming closer to a full repeal is more than the previous Phased approach would have been.

Delaying everything is going to make the issues involved with the ACA worse, expanding the base of people demanding for it to go.

I didn't want it to turn out this way. A lot of people are going to be hurt in the process, but sometimes pain is necessary for politicians to change.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:11 PM (mC1ZI)

289 >>That's how I would have tried to orchestrate it.

Don't you think that Ryan, McConnell and the rest of the Republican leadership in Congress thought about this and decided it couldn't be done?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 03:12 PM (/tuJf)

290
If states can ignore federal law when it comes to illegal border jumpers and to pot, what other federal laws can states ignore?

Posted by: Floyd Heyrube at March 27, 2017 03:12 PM (u4nEs)

291 Followup on @241

Getting control of healthcare costs is the key. Right now we have a balloon that inflates every year, but we're just squeezing it in different ways as to who has to pay. This doesn't solve the problem.

The problem is everyone's because it's become a huge impediment to hiring American which is a huge drag on our economy.

Somewhat radical change is necessary. The political moment to start will require a crisis -- like the implosion of ObamaCare, people losing all coverage, insurers going broke and some states going broke.

As a general observation, "some states going broke" is the crisis we need to reform the Blue State model. Paging bankruptcy expert Wilber Ross

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 03:12 PM (SIY7D)

292 Not fond of several things Trump has done lately.

I don't like him putting his son-in-law in charge of anything.

I don't like him taking trips to Florida nearly every weekend.

I don't like his pushing for this crap sandwich bill.

The guy has done a lot of stuff I like and I expected him to be a lot worse, but there's room for complaint too. He's on track to play EVEN MORE golf than Obama did at this rate, what the hell?

Don't hand me that "he works on the golf course" crap, so did Obama. You can't leave the job as president, it follows you everywhere.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:12 PM (39g3+)

293 279 - TheJamesMadison

That makes sense, so forget it.

Posted by: wth at March 27, 2017 03:13 PM (HgMAr)

294 We'll take her!

Sincerely,
J.B., El Presidente

Posted by: Jerry Brown, El Presidente, Calizuela at March 27, 2017 03:13 PM (qYCgM)

295 Vegas is also getting an NHL team next season.Because what the NHL needs is more teams.

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2017 03:13 PM (r/0kC)

296
A straight repeal went out the door with Obama's re-election 2012

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 03:13 PM (lKyWE)

297 289 >>That's how I would have tried to orchestrate it.

Don't you think that Ryan, McConnell and the rest of the Republican leadership in Congress thought about this and decided it couldn't be done?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 03:12 PM (/tuJf)

===================

I wonder if they even floated a trial balloon to see how the caucus, press, and America people might have reacted to the plan?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:13 PM (mC1ZI)

298 STOP BEING DIVISIVE.

Posted by: Shia LaBeouf at March 27, 2017 03:13 PM (vRcUp)

299 290
If states can ignore federal law when it comes to illegal border jumpers and to pot, what other federal laws can states ignore?
Posted by: Floyd Heyrube at March 27, 2017 03:12 PM (u4nEs)

=================

Election laws?

Can states now forbid non taxpayers from voting?

Transportation laws?

Can states now lower the drinking ages and retain transportation funding?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:14 PM (mC1ZI)

300 Next year there will be a reconciliation window to have another go at repeal/replace Fredo-Care.

So in the coming year, how about the house leadership actually sits down with the freedom caucus and crafts a bill that gets their support, not to mention the support of the rest of us out here - polls said 17% of those surveyed liked the Ryan-Care bill.

And as PDT himself said, another year of O-Care driving costs up and coverage down will only help the repeal effort.

Posted by: Boots at March 27, 2017 03:15 PM (EBwPV)

301 The lesson that should be taken from this is that once you let a new entitlement take root - and Obamacare has been given 6+ years now - you will NEVER uproot it, short of revolution.

Everyone already knew that. We knew it 3 years ago when Cruz filibustered and people called him craaaaaaaaazy. We knew it 8 years ago when this turd passed. That's why we kept screaming at them to repeal it and were so enraged they would go through motions but do nothing serious about it.

Now they are going "gawrsh, we can't do anything!"

We were told for years "we can't do it unless we have the presidency and both houses!"
how they have all that they say "we'll lose our jobs!"

and people here are defending that crap???

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:15 PM (39g3+)

302 Don't hand me that "he works on the golf course" crap, so did Obama. You can't leave the job as president, it follows you everywhere.




No. Obola NEVER worked on the golf course. Unless you count blowing Reggie as work.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2017 03:15 PM (DfQBn)

303 293 279 - TheJamesMadison

That makes sense, so forget it.
Posted by: wth at March 27, 2017 03:13 PM (HgMAr)

==================

Done.

Shit...I might have gone too far.

What's my name?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:15 PM (mC1ZI)

304 If states can ignore federal law when it comes to illegal border jumpers and to pot, what other federal laws can states ignore?


Whatever the fuck they want to ignore. Because when you're a Democrat there are no rules except one. That they win.

Posted by: LGoPs at March 27, 2017 03:15 PM (FoTxO)

305 Man am I over all this winning.

Posted by: Chupacabra at March 27, 2017 03:15 PM (UUSGT)

306 Hockey teams? We don't need no stinking hockey teams.

Sincerely,
J.B., El Presidente

Posted by: Jerry Brown, El Presidente, Calizuela at March 27, 2017 03:15 PM (qYCgM)

307 How about a series of bills.

The first one repeals everything.

Do whatever we can to pass that including nuking the filibuster.

The second one finds a way to replace it. Not with more government services, but maybe repeals on existing legislation and regulation.

That's how I would have tried to orchestrate it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
____________


I think we all know the "right" way we want it done, but it stands to reason enough Republicans in Congress said "no" which is why it was done the way it was by leadership. The same leadership the Freedom Caucus voted for.

I mean enough people have come forward and gone on the record (including the President) and have said they won't repeal without replace at one time, that to keep wishing for a clean repeal bill is like wishing for a time machine at this point.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 03:15 PM (R4/1o)

308 298 STOP BEING DIVISIVE.
Posted by: Shia LaBeouf at March 27, 2017 03:13 PM (vRcUp)

=====================

"Why can't you all just shut and do what I want?!?!?"
-Also Shia

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:15 PM (mC1ZI)

309 FBN: Trump has just signed four new laws eliminating Obama-era regulations

Posted by: Tami at March 27, 2017 03:16 PM (Enq6K)

310 Sessions has resurfaced-going after sanctuary cities.

I'd like to see PDT pivot to this issue stat-and use his pulpit to highlight several reported heinous crimes ignored by the MSM, including the MD school rape and go after govt officials who would stand by and let citizens and legal immigrants get robbed, raped and murdered for diversity. I'd love to see govt immunity challenged here too-a little personal liability can be a good thing.

Posted by: Goldilocks at March 27, 2017 03:16 PM (zz1sH)

311 292 Not fond of several things Trump has done lately . . . I don't like him taking trips to Florida nearly every weekend

--------------------------------

I wonder if the Florida thing is because Mar A Lago is his private property and isn't bugged like the White House.

Posted by: Boots at March 27, 2017 03:17 PM (EBwPV)

312 60 Minutes did a segment on 'Fake News'... and never
looked at whether news WAS fake or not... whether there was any
evidence or not...



They just labeled things fake.. like the Hillary Parkinson story... which we still do not know if it is fake, or not...



And then had some 'experts' on basically saying those on the right
don't know Fake from non Fake... you know... like that totally REAL
Russian hacked the election story...



/facepalm

Posted by: Don Q. at March 27, 2017 02:27 PM (NgKpN)

And now you know why I quit watching "60 Minutes" way back in the early 1980s, because that is how long they have been running bullshit leftie propaganda stories like this.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - No-Longer-Deplorable Source of all SMODs at March 27, 2017 03:17 PM (T1H5V)

313
Trump has just signed four new laws eliminating Obama-era regulations
Posted by: Tami at March 27, 2017 03:16 PM (Enq6K)


I don't think they're laws.Probably EO's

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 03:17 PM (lKyWE)

314 307 I think we all know the "right" way we want it done, but it stands to reason enough Republicans in Congress said "no" which is why it was done the way it was by leadership. The same leadership the Freedom Caucus voted for.

I mean enough people have come forward and gone on the record (including the President) and have said they won't repeal without replace at one time, that to keep wishing for a clean repeal bill is like wishing for a time machine at this point.
Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 03:15 PM (R4/1o)

=================

Well, at the absolute least, you need some people in Congress who will try to fight for that position. Otherwise the entire caucus is just ceding a lot of ground without effort every time the fight comes back up.

It's the Art of the Deal. Stake out a position far out from what you actually want, then work in.

It seems like leadership should have used that mentality.

"Here's a clean repeal bill. Now, what do you want in return?"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:18 PM (mC1ZI)

315 >>I wonder if they even floated a trial balloon to see how the caucus, press, and America people might have reacted to the plan?

I bet they floated more balloons than a hot air convention. But I sometimes wonder if people really understand what a complete repeal means.

What do you do with the millions who would automatically come of Medicaid expansion, many in Republican states? Four Senators said they would vote against any bill that did this so forget the filibuster idea, doesn't apply.

What about the discount on drugs for seniors that was in Obamacare? Remember the infamous "donut hole"? You think all those blue hairs who normally vote Republican would like that and their Reps and Senators don't know it?

The straight repeal vote sailed years ago. That's just reality. Any legislative action is going to have to deal with lots and lots of new entitlements and rule changes that are actually popular with some Republicans.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 03:18 PM (/tuJf)

316 And now you know why I quit watching "60 Minutes" way back in the early 1980s, because that is how long they have been running bullshit leftie propaganda stories like this.
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - No-Longer-Deplorable Source of all SMODs at March 27, 2017 03:17 PM (T1H5V)

Only reason I watched it on You Tube was to see how badly they had edited the Mike Cerenovich segment... which they flat out butchered...

Luckily, transcripts of the actual interview are available...

Posted by: Don Q. at March 27, 2017 03:19 PM (NgKpN)

317
I wonder if the Florida thing is because Mar A Lago is his private property and isn't bugged like the White House.

Posted by: Boots at March 27, 2017 03:17 PM (EBwPV)

That's an interesting point. He may not feel comfortable with the leftover Obama staff, who may be making things uncomfortable for him on purpose.

Posted by: moki at March 27, 2017 03:19 PM (wuzmq)

318 "60 Minutes did a segment on 'Fake News'... and never
looked at whether news WAS fake or not... whether there was any evidence or not..."


The story that Steve Kroft likes to drink champagne out of girl's asses is not fake.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 27, 2017 03:19 PM (OD2ni)

319 "60 Minutes did a segment on 'Fake News'.."

Did they cover the Obama Echo Chamber run by Favreau and Rhodes, as documented in that NYT article (that somehow got published, not killed)? How could it not.

If they didn't, then it was Fake News about Fake News. Or was it to the third or fourth power?

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 03:20 PM (SIY7D)

320 I think we all know the "right" way we want it done, but it stands to reason enough Republicans in Congress said "no" which is why it was done the way it was by leadership. The same leadership the Freedom Caucus voted for.

51 R Senators are there now that voted for HR 3762 last year. A shitpot of R House Reps too. More than enough to pass it again. Why didn't they run HR 3762 again ?

Answer ... 'cause it's all political theatre bullshit.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 27, 2017 03:20 PM (tFWWx)

321 to keep wishing for a clean repeal bill is like wishing for a time machine at this point.
.........

I haven't even gotten my flying car yet.

Posted by: wth at March 27, 2017 03:20 PM (HgMAr)

322 If you're in the employer-provided market, as most are, O-care is mostly (so far) an annoyance in principle, with clear unsustainability.

To a very large minority of normally self-sufficient people (numbering 3 to 5 times the number of O-care plan holders), it is the single greatest financial setback in their entire lives.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 27, 2017 03:06 PM (QDnY+)

Rhomboid, those of us in employer driven markets are not finding O"care to be an "annoyance".

It is a clear drag on employers whose budgets have had double digit increases in coverage costs for their employees that they are mandated to cover.

It has forced most companies into removing health care benefits that were somewhat substitutes for a lack of salary increases due to the flagging economy for the past eight years.

And most of all, employees are now sharing not just a greater percentage of their health insurance premium cost, but that percentage has experienced significant rises each year. Money that is directly taken out of the employees salary or hourly pay, to pay for insurance that they may not need or want.


Posted by: Jen at March 27, 2017 03:20 PM (yxZrv)

323 >>But as for us as individuals, yeah, we kind of have a duty.


I understand the distinction. As I said, I donate time, money and goods to local charities.

What I don't appreciate is people like Barack Obama and Linda Sarsour using charity to further their socialist agenda. I am not receptive to a third wave feminist lecturing me that I need to pick up trash for Feminism.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 03:21 PM (NOIQH)

324 Any possibility at all that we could do this to Joe Buck, Fred Barnes, and/or whoever is responsible for Imaginary Mary?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 27, 2017 03:21 PM (fdyxv)

325 Hope you feel better, soon, Ace.

And yea for little victories.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 27, 2017 03:21 PM (zsHGH)

326 In Calizuela, Executive Orders are laws. I write them on toilet paper when I get up in the late morning. Toilet paper is quite valuable here, owing to its luxurious smoothness and rarity. Health care is free, by law. Also, there is no inflation. By law.

Sincerely,
J.B., El Presidente

Posted by: Jerry Brown, El Presidente, Calizuela at March 27, 2017 03:21 PM (qYCgM)

327 You gotta remember folks, if the Republican Congress outlawed Ace of Spades HQ and threw Ace in prison for treason, JackStraw would defend them. The GOP can do no wrong for some people.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:22 PM (39g3+)

328
I wonder if the Florida thing is because Mar A Lago is his private property and isn't bugged like the White House. Posted by: Boots at March 27, 2017 03:17 PM (EBwPV)
Interesting fact it was originally built as a winter retreat for President

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 03:22 PM (lKyWE)

329 322 It is a clear drag on employers whose budgets have had double digit increases in coverage costs for their employees that they are mandated to cover.
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And the costs are getting so high that insurance policies are automatically becoming "Cadillac Plans" and surprise surprise you have to pay an additional tax if you have a "Cadillac Plan.

Posted by: Boots at March 27, 2017 03:22 PM (EBwPV)

330 Green Day yell "Fuck Donald Trump!" at every concert.I'm sure their tensof fans are thrilled.

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2017 03:23 PM (r/0kC)

331 Get well ace. If you had my bug, you'll be back to speed in #three weeks.

Posted by: Golfman at March 27, 2017 03:23 PM (48QDY)

332 315 I bet they floated more balloons than a hot air convention. But I sometimes wonder if people really understand what a complete repeal means.

What do you do with the millions who would automatically come of Medicaid expansion, many in Republican states? Four Senators said they would vote against any bill that did this so forget the filibuster idea, doesn't apply.

What about the discount on drugs for seniors that was in Obamacare? Remember the infamous "donut hole"? You think all those blue hairs who normally vote Republican would like that and their Reps and Senators don't know it?

The straight repeal vote sailed years ago. That's just reality. Any legislative action is going to have to deal with lots and lots of new entitlements and rule changes that are actually popular with some Republicans.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 03:18 PM (/tuJf)

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My biggest problem is with the Medicaid part (not with you, but the people in Congress who won't let that go).

About 1/6 of new enrollees since the expansion were eligible for Medicaid to begin with. So, that problem just got a bit smaller.

Next, Medicaid doesn't actually help people in any way shape or form other than a slightly increased sense of security around their finances. That's not a hill to die on.

It looks like Republicans to the right of Marco Rubio have to give up the dream of repeal so that the squishy centrists of the party can spend trillions more dollars on a program that doesn't work and doesn't help.

I think this is a place where a lot of people talk past each other. "You'll take Medicaid from people!" "Medicaid doesn't help people!" "You'll take Medicaid from people!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:23 PM (mC1ZI)

333 I had a wedding to attend in Vegas last year, I thought that I would avoid the horrible traffic and take the train. But the train doesn't go to Vegas anymore, so I flew. Chargers and Raiders are punk sellouts, screwing fans because someone else won't pay for their new stadium.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 27, 2017 03:23 PM (6Ll1u)

334 The straight repeal vote sailed years ago. That's just reality. Any legislative action is going to have to deal with lots and lots of new entitlements and rule changes that are actually popular with some Republicans.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 03:18 PM (/tuJf)
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You're probably right that straight repeal is not really an option, but you know what - I would have liked to see them just try it. After all, they all ran on it. And then replace. With what, I don't know, I honestly don't.

Same way I don't know which way I wanted it to go last week. I don't know if half a loaf is better than none, I really don't, so I don't have a valid opinion on that. But that sidebar piece by Phil Klein at the Washington Examiner pretty much sums up how I feel about this mess.

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 03:23 PM (sBOL1)

335 I wonder if the Florida thing is because Mar A Lago is his private property and isn't bugged like the White House.

Posted by: Boots at March 27, 2017 03:17 PM (EBwPV)

Remember, Obama refused to have the WH renovated during his time there, which includes tearing out walls to install new wiring, security, etc. and was scheduled to take a year.
The fact that Trump is not taking a salary and is going to his own property on weekends shouldn't be a problem for anyone.
It's possible renovations are being done on weekends at the WH to the extent they can be accomplished.

Also, unlike Obama, Trump doesn't feel a need to have celebrities in to sing, dance, and flip the bird to portraits of Reagan in the WH every weekend.

Posted by: Jen at March 27, 2017 03:24 PM (yxZrv)

336 What I don't appreciate is people like Barack Obama and Linda Sarsour using charity to further their socialist agenda

That's my biggest concern; the left has managed to turn their causes into faux charities and live on billions a year from taxpayers to undermine and destroy what the majority of the country stands for. They've been wildly successful, it was an incredible turnaround after the Berlin Wall fell because Bubba Clinton and the idiots in congress helped them do it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:24 PM (39g3+)

337 Wait, Ace gets to take a day off? WTF,











I think the horde can amuse themselves quite fine.
Lots of non alcoholic liquids, maybe herbal tea and honey.

Posted by: Skip at March 27, 2017 03:24 PM (GPaiX)

338 >>You gotta remember folks, if the Republican Congress outlawed Ace of Spades HQ and threw Ace in prison for treason, JackStraw would defend them. The GOP can do no wrong for some people.

Do you get off on saying dumb things? Just curious cause you do it a lot.

Pointing out the reality of the situation is not defending it. I prefer to deal with things as they are not how I want them to be and if you think you can get a straight repeal vote through Congress you are just flat wrong. It will not happen. Not now, not ever.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 03:24 PM (/tuJf)

339 The GOP can do no wrong for some people.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:22 PM (39g3+)


You mean, like, refusing to put back up a simple eight page bill they passed last year ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 27, 2017 03:24 PM (tFWWx)

340 Repeal ACA with a provision that the Medicaid expansion is not going to be phased out, but federal funding will be phased out in 10 years.

As I type that I realize that if by some miracle it would ever actually get passed, Congress would never allow it to happen.

Why am I about it hit post?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:25 PM (mC1ZI)

341 Green Day yell "Fuck Donald Trump!" at every concert.I'm sure their tensof fans are thrilled.
Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2017 03:23 PM (r/0kC)
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Aren't they Canadian? People ought to yell "F Trudeau" right back at them.

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 03:25 PM (sBOL1)

342 The straight repeal vote sailed years ago. That's just reality. Any legislative action is going to have to deal with lots and lots of new entitlements and rule changes that are actually popular with some Republicans.
Posted by: JackStraw

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This what people need to understand, and I get being frustrated, but when Obama won that 2nd term, that was it. This thing was never going to be erased from the system anymore. You'd need a time machine to go back and erase it now.

So now it's a matter of what can we reform and get rid of to make healthcare more free market and more affordable.

The focus on a "clean repeal bill or nothing" is now self-defeating.

Or we can keep talking about "what ifs" when Republicans get 70 seats in the senate and have a 150 seat majority in the House, which means never.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 03:25 PM (R4/1o)

343 292 Not fond of several things Trump has done lately.

I don't like him putting his son-in-law in charge of anything.

I don't like him taking trips to Florida nearly every weekend.

I don't like his pushing for this crap sandwich bill.

The guy has done a lot of stuff I like and I expected him to be a lot worse, but there's room for complaint too. He's on track to play EVEN MORE golf than Obama did at this rate, what the hell?

Don't hand me that "he works on the golf course" crap, so did Obama. You can't leave the job as president, it follows you everywhere.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:12 PM (39g3+)
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I'll get grief for this I imagine but I never really cared much how much Obama golfed. I only cared to the extent that the media never went after Obama for golfing like they did GWB. Besides the more golfing Obama did, the less damage he was doing.

Posted by: Independent George at March 27, 2017 03:25 PM (BDZWU)

344 292 Not fond of several things Trump has done lately.

I don't like him putting his son-in-law in charge of anything.

I don't like him taking trips to Florida nearly every weekend.

I don't like his pushing for this crap sandwich bill.

The guy has done a lot of stuff I like and I expected him to be a lot worse, but there's room for complaint too. He's on track to play EVEN MORE golf than Obama did at this rate, what the hell?

Don't hand me that "he works on the golf course" crap, so did Obama. You can't leave the job as president, it follows you everywhere.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:12 PM (39g3+)


I actually think it's healthy to not like everything a president does. It means you are thinking for yourself. We knew Trump wasn't going to be perfect, we did know that he wasn't Hillary, who will never be President.

I don't like everything he is doing, but I like a good bit of it. That is a heckuva lot better than hating everything Hillary would have done as president.

Posted by: moki at March 27, 2017 03:25 PM (wuzmq)

345 LegalInsurrection had this story going awhile, until Barak was out of the house she was in her glory.

Posted by: Skip at March 27, 2017 03:25 PM (GPaiX)

346 Found out yesterday they are remaking Death Wish.Bruce Willis as Paul Kersey.I like Bruce but he is no Charles Bronson.

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2017 03:25 PM (r/0kC)

347 If Ryan wanted to "move the process along" there would have been an open rule on the bill, with amendments allowed (and votes thereon - the essence of actual politics on the Hill).


If Ryan (and Trump) had wanted to move the process along, they would have made at least a head-fake towards being serious about a "phased" approach (had a confirmed germaneness "no go" list from the parliamentarian, had signed commitment letters to pursuing the legislative Phase 3 including specifics, and even a menu of priorities for Price/HHS in Phase 2, the administrative phase).


And there wouldn't have been "concessions" dangled like direct action to relieve the biggest damage being inflicted by O-care (the individual market) - they'd either be part of the Phase 3 commitment, or part of a good-faith (if kamikaze) effort on the reconciliation (Phase 1).


And FFS, an "entitlement" is not "enshrined" after 3 years (not 7), when it affects a tiny handful of politically unconnected people, a shrinking number, many of them "refugees" from the old vastly better pre-O-care system, and whose very views of O-care are sharply negative. This is not remotely comparable to any actual enshrined entitlement (however good or bad, insane or unsustainable) that have been part of the landscape for decades.


Posted by: rhomboid at March 27, 2017 03:26 PM (QDnY+)

348 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:22 PM (39g3+)

Because we don't understand how politics work and because the GOPe is spineless.

But mostly because the GOPe is spineless.

Posted by: Golfman at March 27, 2017 03:26 PM (48QDY)

349 Also, unlike Obama, Trump doesn't feel a need to have celebrities in to sing, dance, and flip the bird to portraits of Reagan in the WH every weekend.



Nor take separate, month long vacations to distant locales.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2017 03:26 PM (DfQBn)

350 ...To a very large minority of normally self-sufficient people (numbering 3
to 5 times the number of O-care plan holders), it is the single
greatest financial setback in their entire lives.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 27, 2017 03:06 PM (QDnY+)



Premiums for myself and my wife are now $1300/mo with $5K Deductible and $7.5K total out of pocket. We're retired (and not medicare eligible yet). And we have no pre-existing conditions. And this is with an Employer provided Retiree Insurance policy with one of the biggest insurers in America. I am outraged.

Posted by: LGoPs at March 27, 2017 03:26 PM (FoTxO)

351 I don't like everything he is doing, but I like a good bit of it. That is a heckuva lot better than hating everything Hillary would have done as president.
Posted by: moki at March 27, 2017 03:25 PM (wuzmq)
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+100

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 03:27 PM (sBOL1)

352 I'll get grief for this I imagine but I never really cared much how much Obama golfed. I only cared to the extent that the media never went after Obama for golfing like they did GWB. Besides the more golfing Obama did, the less damage he was doing.

I'm in the same camp, my concern was his golfing all the time and the press clapping about it, not his doing so. The guy was the laziest president we've had since Taft, but everyone in the media thought he was their chocolate Jesus.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:27 PM (39g3+)

353 Once it was clear that you had someone not willing to just do a clean repeal, the Freedom Caucus should have focused on what makes healthcare better and at least moved the process along.

Stop trying to make the unworkable almost work. Stop being the tax collector for the Welfare State. In the end, you will get no credit for trying. All that happens is you get commie stink on yourself. ObamaCare become RepubliCare.

Posted by: Grump928(c) doesn't want to go to the cornfield at March 27, 2017 03:27 PM (QQ+il)

354 334 You're probably right that straight repeal is not really an option, but you know what - I would have liked to see them just try it. After all, they all ran on it. And then replace. With what, I don't know, I honestly don't.

Same way I don't know which way I wanted it to go last week. I don't know if half a loaf is better than none, I really don't, so I don't have a valid opinion on that. But that sidebar piece by Phil Klein at the Washington Examiner pretty much sums up how I feel about this mess.

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 03:23 PM (sBOL1)

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Plus, in negotiations, you don't start by throwing out a position very close to what you may want.

Sure, leadership doesn't want full repeal, but they're not going to get anything if they begin and end the process with exactly where THEY want it.

Using the full repeal as a starting point might have worked better at bringing the caucus together. First, you have the HFC wholeheartedly in support while everyone to the left of them is nervous at best. Then you start to work it from there.

Maybe it would have fallen apart in committee, but at least it wouldn't have been dragged to the floor without a whip count before hand.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:28 PM (mC1ZI)

355 Feel better Ace.

You gotta lay off the Hobo Livers. Too much Vitamin A will kill an Ewok dead.

Posted by: garrett at March 27, 2017 03:28 PM (T1Co2)

356

Hey

JCC bomb hoaxer

I have questions. They put a gag order on his name but its been reported his surname is Kaydar.

Its been reported he has duel citizenship, but also that he has never lived here

Its been reported that he was diagnosed as having a brain tumor at 14, yet his mother has not provided documentation

This brain tumor, not diagnosed until age 14, allegedly kept him out of any school, his whole life

He isnt cooperating and they claim they havent been able to get into his 5 computers

His father is allegedly a computer expert. Some reports indicate he knew or partcipated. He is still in custody

Over 1000 calls were placed over 2 years.

He covered his tracks with bitcoin, google voice and device that masks your IP. Intent all over the place

Hes an evil genuis who is too brain damaged to know what he was doing?

This is a bunch of BS. Something up. I mean i think he did it, but they are hiding shit

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 03:28 PM (D1AgW)

357 It made me laugh when Paul Ryan said many times he had the votes. Was he lying or is he just incompetent? Here in Calizuela, 100% of the legislature votes the way I tell them too, which is the right way. There once was a guy who abstained. They found his head up in the Cascades. He never abstained again.

Sincerely,
J.B., El Presidente

Posted by: Jerry Brown, El Presidente, Calizuela at March 27, 2017 03:28 PM (qYCgM)

358 Ah, the realities of things as they are. Not as we would wish them to be.

Got it. Totally sustainable. You've veered back into your TARP days, JackStraw.

Let me recap this...seven years. I don't give a crap about what was popular with some people, you don't take seven years to put forward a dog's breakfast to replace something that is going to collapse on its own. And that is reality. Failure theater just adds a layer of whipped cream on a crap sandwich.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 27, 2017 03:28 PM (fdyxv)

359 Sadly,Obama's left wing agenda was moving forward while he was golfing,vacationing and watching 10 hours of TV a day.

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2017 03:28 PM (r/0kC)

360 >>Wait, Ace gets to take a day off? WTF


He's just resting up for the Playoffs.

Posted by: garrett at March 27, 2017 03:29 PM (T1Co2)

361 "I wonder if the Florida thing is because Mar A Lago is his private property and isn't bugged like the White House."

The protective detail of the Secret Service will have gone all through M-A-L, and that agency is as thoroughly infiltrated by deep-state operatives as any other part of Fedzilla.

If Trump wants to speak without the possibility of being overheard, he's got to go to places he hasn't been to before, and he has to go there unannounced and spontaneously.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 27, 2017 03:29 PM (noWW6)

362
Btw Ace: Not sure what performance enhancing supplements you may take but you have to take a 'holiday' from them once in a while.

I just went a tad long on something and I'm praying to the porcelain gods for a substantial deuce.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 03:29 PM (ZFUt7)

363 This what people need to understand, and I get being frustrated, but when Obama won that 2nd term, that was it. This thing was never going to be erased from the system anymore. You'd need a time machine to go back and erase it now.

Bullshit. They voted to gut it in 2016. Eight simple pages. But House Leadership refused to put it back up. And no time machine can erase that little factoid.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 27, 2017 03:29 PM (tFWWx)

364 Sorry -- I just feel like crap.

Hmmm. "Feel like crap." On a Monday. Anyone else suspicious?

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 27, 2017 03:29 PM (BWL+E)

365 Green Day yell "Fuck Donald Trump!" at every concert.
...........

How can you tell with all the racket?

Posted by: wth at March 27, 2017 03:29 PM (HgMAr)

366 You gotta remember folks, if the Republican Congress outlawed Ace of Spades HQ and threw Ace in prison for treason, JackStraw would defend them. The GOP can do no wrong for some people.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:22 PM (39g3+)
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Christopher, I know JackStraw can speak for himself quite ably, and does, but I don't think this is a fair characterization. Jack is a realist. Not just about this, but lots of other things. That doesn't mean he thinks the GOP can do no wrong. Two different things.

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 03:29 PM (sBOL1)

367 And FFS, an "entitlement" is not "enshrined" after 3 years (not 7), when it affects a tiny handful of politically unconnected people,

Posted by: rhomboid at March 27, 2017 03:26 PM (QDnY+)

Agreed. How many MEDICAID recipients vote R anyway?

Posted by: Golfman at March 27, 2017 03:29 PM (48QDY)

368 You're probably right that straight repeal is not really an option, but you know what - I would have liked to see them just try it. After all, they all ran on it. And then replace. With what, I don't know, I honestly don't.

Same way I don't know which way I wanted it to go last week. I don't know if half a loaf is better than none, I really don't, so I don't have a valid opinion on that. But that sidebar piece by Phil Klein at the Washington Examiner pretty much sums up how I feel about this mess.

Posted by: bluebell

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I agree that they should ave just done a "test run" of repeal only with Trump as President, to see where we stood, but Republican members and leadership didn't want that because they knew it wouldn't pass and it would then mean Republicans might lose primaries or in their purple swing districts.

And then there's also Trump saying he wouldn't sign such a bill.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 03:29 PM (R4/1o)

369 Feminist + radical islamist = circuit melt done (does not compute).

Posted by: redbanzai at March 27, 2017 03:30 PM (qf8IB)

370 343 I'll get grief for this I imagine but I never really cared much how much Obama golfed. I only cared to the extent that the media never went after Obama for golfing like they did GWB. Besides the more golfing Obama did, the less damage he was doing.
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Obama was never the brains of the Obama administration. The shadow govt Left did the work 24/7 and Obama was brought out to front everything when ready. Think Val Jar and all the rest of them.

Hell Obama couldn't even go to a rodeo, or a 5th grade classroom, without his teleprompter. Somebody else made the decisions and he read his lines.

Posted by: Boots at March 27, 2017 03:30 PM (EBwPV)

371 I actually think it's healthy to not like everything a president does. It means you are thinking for yourself. We knew Trump wasn't going to be perfect, we did know that he wasn't Hillary, who will never be President.

Posted by: moki at March 27, 2017 03:25 PM (wuzmq)


Right. I've always kind of liked former NY mayor Ed Koch, despite his being a Democrat. Back in the day, he said "If you agree with me 80%, vote for me. If you agree with me 100%, go to the hospital." It took me a long time to figure out what he meant by that.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 27, 2017 03:31 PM (WPSd5)

372 270 That goes to character, straight up.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 27, 2017 02:41
I remember 40 some yrs ago we were on vacation and Dad, not knowing the town, was driving us threw a bad part of Philly. People were sitting on porches and there was trash everywhere.
I asked why they didn't pick up the trash rather than just sit there, folks said something along your point. Yes, I was once young and naive indeed.
Posted by: Farmer at March 27, 2017 03:07 PM (4bBUU)



It's why the Left hates gentrification: because it makes clear that the problem in an area isn't intrinsically geographic, it is instead the people who live there. Change the people, and what was a blighted area can become highly desirable in no time.

Once at the Berkeley Chess Club (one of the strongest in the country, btw) I saw a weak player concede to a particularly strong one, who told the weak one that his position was not impossible.

At that, he turned the board around and played from the weak player's position, and proceeded to beat the weak player's balls off again.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 27, 2017 03:31 PM (SRKgf)

373 >>I just went a tad long on something and I'm praying to the porcelain gods for a substantial deuce.


I doesn't make you go. I just makes going easier.

Posted by: Dulcolax at March 27, 2017 03:31 PM (T1Co2)

374 Bullshit. They voted to gut it in 2016. Eight simple pages. But House Leadership refused to put it back up. And no time machine can erase that little factoid.
Posted by: ScoggDog
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You fell for Failure Theater.

And then there's the inconvenient fact that Trump said he wouldn't sign a repeal only bill.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 03:31 PM (R4/1o)

375 Jack is a realist. Not just about this, but lots of other things. That doesn't mean he thinks the GOP can do no wrong.

Jack always defends what the GOP congress does, always. He pretends they have never betrayed or backstabbed us, he always finds a reason they're doing the right thing, he always has had the GOPe's back. Always, no matter what the topic. Immigration, trying to shut out Trump from the nomination, ACA, everything. Always.

He's Chemjeff without being quite as bad a jerk.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:32 PM (39g3+)

376 Found out yesterday they are remaking Death Wish.Bruce Willis as Paul Kersey.I like Bruce but he is no Charles Bronson.

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2017 03:25 PM (r/0kC)
..........

Plus, Bronson has better hair.

Posted by: wth at March 27, 2017 03:32 PM (HgMAr)

377 >>You're probably right that straight repeal is not really an option, but you know what - I would have liked to see them just try it.

Why? So we could have had weeks of blog posts about Failure Theater?

On the day after the House plan was released, four Republican Senators sent a letter to the Senate leadership saying they would not support any bill that didn't deal with Medicaid expansion. Not surprisingly, they are Senators from states that went big on Medicaid expansion.

There are 52 Republicans in the Senate. If you lose 4 it doesn't matter what happens to the filibuster, the bill goes down.

And this is just one example. Like it or not, not every Congressman or Senator supports a straight repeal and neither does Trump.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 03:32 PM (/tuJf)

378 Maybe NHS won't be so bad, at least for my lifetime. It seems to take a few years to go from Free Clinic level of care to MengeleCare. I've only got a couple or three decades left.

Posted by: Grump928(c) doesn't want to go to the cornfield at March 27, 2017 03:32 PM (QQ+il)

379 Rich Zeoli (1210am Philadelphia) squarely is putting it on Ryan, he didn't have moderates as he did conservatives.

Posted by: Skip at March 27, 2017 03:33 PM (GPaiX)

380 Well....
John Podesta failed to file documents showing he had been given 75, 000 shares of stock in Joule Unlimited energy company that is financed by...the Russian government. He was paid in these shares before he became senior advisor to Obama and then transferred those shares to his daughter, but still failed to disclose that he had been a member of the BOD for Joule and had received 100,000 stock option shares.

Story at Breitbart.

Posted by: Jen at March 27, 2017 03:33 PM (yxZrv)

381 I agree that they should ave just done a "test run" of repeal only with Trump as President, to see where we stood, but Republican members...

...didn't actually want to repeal the bill and were only using it for fundraising and to get elected.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:33 PM (39g3+)

382 Christopher, I'm not going to argue about it, but I'll just say I disagree and leave it at that.

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 03:33 PM (sBOL1)

383 I don't think they're laws.Probably EO's

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 27, 2017 03:17 PM (lKyWE)

FBN said 'laws' so I dunno.

Posted by: Tami at March 27, 2017 03:34 PM (Enq6K)

384 I just went a tad long on something and I'm praying to the porcelain gods for a substantial deuce.

I saw Substantial Deuce open for The Iron Supplements at the '08 GAINZZ festival.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 27, 2017 03:34 PM (WPSd5)

385 Democrats cause chaos in the health sector.

Republicans "can't do that" because it will cause chaos in the health sector.

SEVEN YEARS.

We won World War II in less than four.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 27, 2017 03:34 PM (fdyxv)

386 377 On the day after the House plan was released, four Republican Senators sent a letter to the Senate leadership saying they would not support any bill that didn't deal with Medicaid expansion. Not surprisingly, they are Senators from states that went big on Medicaid expansion.

There are 52 Republicans in the Senate. If you lose 4 it doesn't matter what happens to the filibuster, the bill goes down.

And this is just one example. Like it or not, not every Congressman or Senator supports a straight repeal and neither does Trump.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 03:32 PM (/tuJf)

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Can someone forward that Oregon study to those four Republican senators, please?

Cause Medicaid doesn't do shit to help people.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:34 PM (mC1ZI)

387 >>Jack always defends what the GOP congress does, always. He pretends they have never betrayed or backstabbed us, he always finds a reason they're doing the right thing, he always has had the GOPe's back. Always, no matter what the topic. Immigration, trying to shut out Trump from the nomination, ACA, everything. Always.


Jack isn't even a Republican, numbnuts.

And no, I don't always support them. I think the Freedom Caucus betrayed and backstabbed on this one and it is going to ripple through the rest of Trump''s agenda. Watch and see.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 03:34 PM (/tuJf)

388 >>He's Chemjeff without being quite as bad a jerk.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:32 PM (39g3+)

JackStraw is a good shit.


And don't take this the wrong way, but I consider you an Overly Softened Stool.



Posted by: garrett at March 27, 2017 03:35 PM (T1Co2)

389 Watch and see, indeed. I suspect the caucus will have done us a good service.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 27, 2017 03:35 PM (zsHGH)

390 Hell Obama couldn't even go to a rodeo, or a 5th
grade classroom, without his teleprompter. Somebody else made the
decisions and he read his lines.



Posted by: Boots at March 27, 2017 03:30 PM (EBwPV)

Would you trust him to speak extemporaneously? Neither did Soros, nor his other handlers who pulled the strings to get him into office. Off the teleprompter, God knows what he might say. Once he'd burned them with Joe the Plumber, I'm sure they resolved NEVER to let him speak off the teleprompter.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 27, 2017 03:35 PM (SRKgf)

391 Straight repeal COULD work, but it has to be approached intelligently. The first thing the GOP has to remember is that doing what is right and needs to be done might cost them in the short run, but people forget and eventually you get back in the seat. Look at the Democrats, they've rammed unpopular crap after godawful insanity down the throats of the American people over and over. They get thrown out of power. After a short time, they're back, and people have gotten used to the last wave of crazy.

Republicans are so afraid of losing their jobs, they're paralyzed from even trying to do the right thing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:36 PM (39g3+)

392 JackStraw: "So Ryan's plan was to badly damage his credibility and not repeal Obamacare because ... why?"

No, Ryan obviously wants to retain credibility (or at least the illusion of it). As to the repeal? No, I don't think he wants to. To actually solve Obamacare would mean to tell America some hard truths - things that would be politically "unpopular". So repealing Obamacare and replacing with O-Care Lite remains the easiest solution even though it fails to address the comprehensive issues with our insurance health system.

Where is the expansion of medical schools to help produce more labor to drive down costs? Where is capping of litigation costs for lawsuit-happy ambulance chasers? Where is the return to more free, open markets as opposed to industry consolidation? How about freeing up the drug/pharma industry from government over-oversight from pseudo-political entities like the FDA? How about adjusting end-of-life commitments via publicly subsidized care wherein vast financial tax monies are expended for little return? How about not cashing checks through Medicare/Medicaid that can never be paid?

Our entire system needs massive overhaul. It's much simpler, and politically rewarding, to patch the jalopy as opposed to saying "things have to be different and we're starting now". That is why there is this Uniparty consensus: baling wire and tape to keep me politically viable long enough until I don't have to care.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 27, 2017 03:36 PM (1CroS)

393 There are 52 Republicans in the Senate. If you lose 4 it doesn't matter what happens to the filibuster, the bill goes down.
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Right. And this bill went down before it even got there.

I said I don't even know what I wanted to happen last week, and I meant it. But there was too much secrecy, too much Obamacare left in it, and then we had that dumb bunny Republican Congresscritter actually do a Pelosi impersonation of "we have to pass the bill to see what's in it."

I don't know the answer.

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 03:36 PM (sBOL1)

394

Has anybody claimed "you don't know Jack" yet?

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 03:36 PM (D1AgW)

395 He's Chemjeff without being quite as bad a jerk.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:32 PM (39g3+)

Uh, no.

Jack Straw doesn't defend the GOP, rather, he explains their point of view and the rationale they use to do what they do. There is a process to legislation that will always happen. No matter how urgent the need or how much support, there is a process and he has simply tried to explain that process to those (the majority here) who don't have experience trying to get legislation through a congress.

No one is defending the GOP. It's simply trying to explain why they do what they do.

Posted by: Jen at March 27, 2017 03:36 PM (yxZrv)

396 I'm praying to the porcelain gods for a substantial deuce.

----

"Singing psychedelic praises to the depths of a China bowl."

One of those great Fish lyrics from an old Marillion song.

Posted by: RKae at March 27, 2017 03:37 PM (4DpAT)

397 I agree that they should ave just done a "test run" of repeal only with Trump as President, to see where we stood, but Republican members...

...didn't actually want to repeal the bill and were only using it for fundraising and to get elected.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

_____

Definitely some thats' the case.

Also, to be fair, it's much easier to say you're going to repeal something unpopular before it is in place or if you know it's just a symbolic gesture.

In an alternate universe, had Obama had been a one termer with a Republican Congress, a "clean" repeal bill would have probably been signed into law before millions were using it.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 03:37 PM (R4/1o)

398 385 Democrats cause chaos in the health sector.

Republicans "can't do that" because it will cause chaos in the health sector.

SEVEN YEARS.

We won World War II in less than four.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 27, 2017 03:34 PM (fdyxv)

=====================

Hey, this fight's not done.

Paul Ryan went into the fight and did very poorly for everyone, but maybe he'll learn something from it.

I fully expect Republicans to keep the House and gain in the Senate in 2018. That may be the earliest to get another stab at it, but this experiment might be what teaches Ryan how to better approach a solution when Republicans have more strength in the Senate.

We'll see, but I still think that the ACA could get goned.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:37 PM (mC1ZI)

399 Barak's lackadaisical presidential is exactly why I think he might put his name to it but he isn't lifting to many fingers to help.

Posted by: Skip at March 27, 2017 03:37 PM (GPaiX)

400 Guess who just got approval to move to Vegas?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/lowq9kb

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 27, 2017 03:37 PM (rUIbB)

401 Has anybody claimed "you don't know Jack" yet?

Posted by: ThunderB at March 27, 2017 03:36 PM


I've met Jack, so not me.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 27, 2017 03:37 PM (p+Wdc)

402 There are 52 Republicans in the Senate. If you lose 4 it doesn't matter what happens to the filibuster, the bill goes down.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 03:32 PM (/tuJf)

Yep. Much worse for Susan Collins to take the heat than 40 members of the Freedom Caucus

Let's protect HER!

Posted by: Golfman at March 27, 2017 03:37 PM (48QDY)

403 March 29th, Planned Parenthood is going to have some kind of pink themed protest.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 27, 2017 02:15 PM (Dt3Vr)

cute, that's what our little baby girls where .

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2017 03:38 PM (R7cwD)

404 Our entire system needs massive overhaul.

Well, yes. But you're talking about nearly 80 years' worth of government fuckery that has to be undone.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 03:38 PM (0mRoj)

405 Get well ASAP, Ace!!

Posted by: Taqyia2Me, Deploribus Unum at March 27, 2017 03:38 PM (Ftuf+)

406 or wear

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2017 03:38 PM (R7cwD)

407 Once he'd burned them with Joe the Plumber, I'm sure they resolved NEVER to let him speak off the teleprompter.


Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 27, 2017 03:35 PM (SRKgf)
............

Yeah, he might have mentioned his Muslim faith or something...oh wait.

Posted by: wth at March 27, 2017 03:38 PM (HgMAr)

408 I've met Jack, so not me.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 27, 2017 03:37 PM (p+Wdc)
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RMBS, lol!

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 03:38 PM (sBOL1)

409 397 Definitely some thats' the case.

Also, to be fair, it's much easier to say you're going to repeal something unpopular before it is in place or if you know it's just a symbolic gesture.

In an alternate universe, had Obama had been a one termer with a Republican Congress, a "clean" repeal bill would have probably been signed into law before millions were using it.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 03:37 PM (R4/1o)

===================

Hey remember when Ted Cruz helped shut down the government to try to pull funding for ACA?

Good times...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:38 PM (mC1ZI)

410 You fell for Failure Theater.

And then there's the inconvenient fact that Trump said he wouldn't sign a repeal only bill.
Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 03:31 PM (R4/1o)


Then Paul Ryan lied. The entire damn party lied. And this "realities" bullshit people are spinning now is nothing more than another thin veneer of crap to try and cover the fact that a Republican Congress ain't much better than a Democrat led Congress.

So that's it, then. You're really going with the "You Fucked Up. You Trusted Us." defense ?

Then fuck it. I'll vote Dem from now on ... let's destroy the GOP and see what springs up in it's place.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 27, 2017 03:39 PM (tFWWx)

411
Right. I've always kind of liked former NY mayor Ed Koch, despite his being a Democrat. Back in the day, he said "If you agree with me 80%, vote for me. If you agree with me 100%, go to the hospital." It took me a long time to figure out what he meant by that.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 27, 2017 03:31 PM (WPSd5)

Ed Koch is old-school Dem. Pro-America, pro-worker, give the little guy a lift. He was the kind of guy my dad would vote for, for local elections. (Always Republican for President, though)

The Dems today would call Ed Koch a right-wing fascist, I bet.

Posted by: moki at March 27, 2017 03:39 PM (wuzmq)

412 Should have stripped her of her citizenship and shipped her off to Gitmo for a decade or three.

Posted by: IrishEi at March 27, 2017 03:39 PM (HiDrR)

413 Premiums for myself and my wife are now $1300/mo with $5K Deductible and $7.5K total out of pocket. We're retired (and not medicare eligible yet). And we have no pre-existing conditions. And this is with an Employer provided Retiree Insurance policy with one of the biggest insurers in America. I am outraged.

Posted by: LGoPs


With AVERAGE per person outlays for healthcare of $9,500 a year, and two of you, you're just a couple hundred dollars a month of covering the average per person outlays.

This country is *only* twice the cost of France, Switzerland , or Germany.

We're rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. While pointing the finger at everyone else.


Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 27, 2017 03:39 PM (ZFUt7)

414 We'll see, but I still think that the ACA could get goned.

Pffft.

We're in existential denial of math these days on a scale that would make the current Greek and Venezuelan governments blush.

We'll hit the wall. And then someone will get serious.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 27, 2017 03:39 PM (fdyxv)

415 Christopher, I'm not going to argue about it, but I'll just say I disagree and leave it at that.

I don't want to argue either, I just get frustrated because I have a good memory about previous posts and discussions. Jack has good stuff to say sometimes but when it comes to Republicans in congress he just gets ridiculous.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:39 PM (39g3+)

416 >>That's my biggest concern; the left has managed to turn their causes
into faux charities and live on billions a year from taxpayers to
undermine and destroy what the majority of the country stands for.


The message is: you must help the poor people because eeeevil capitalism has short-changed them. You - by sheer luck or some some designated "privilege" (i.e. "You didn't build that!") - have gotten more than your "fair share" and are thus obligated to give back. That's a different message than Jesus'.

And yes, so many Lefty charities are a sham. It's an amazing how well they've turned non-profits into a big business and influential indoctrination tools.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2017 03:39 PM (NOIQH)

417 I sticking with stockpiling silver and brass.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at March 27, 2017 03:39 PM (QQ+il)

418 Hope you feel better soon. If you're up to a trip out, I highly recommend Emergen-C for faster recovery. It works well for hangovers, too.

Posted by: Scout at March 27, 2017 03:40 PM (ukad2)

419 Vegas?



Vegas??



My family is laughing at me while I'm muttering about "black and silver and GLITTER probably".

Posted by: Mama AJ, Alameda/Oakland native at March 27, 2017 03:40 PM (gTQoY)

420 Why can't you people see the game being played now? The GOPe will do what they do to stop Trump. They don't care if he loses 2020, and it looks like they plan on losing what they can in 18. They run Washington, and you outsiders better remember that, and we are back to 3rd party talk that will fail and keep the establishment rolling on.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 27, 2017 03:40 PM (6Ll1u)

421 402 There are 52 Republicans in the Senate. If you lose 4 it doesn't matter what happens to the filibuster, the bill goes down.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 03:32 PM (/tuJf)

Yep. Much worse for Susan Collins to take the heat than 40 members of the Freedom Caucus

Let's protect HER!
Posted by: Golfman at March 27, 2017 03:37 PM (48QDY)

===================

Hey, it's not like the HFC is trying to keep an expansion to a financially nonsensical system that provides no health benefits when compared to having no insurance whatsoever.

Seriously, the idea that it's defensible for Republicans to use "but the Medicaid expansion!" as an excuse flabbergasts me.

I mean, I know it's all about getting more federal money into state coffers, but still.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:40 PM (mC1ZI)

422 Straw = China -> Ryder

C.Taylor = Picasso Moon

Posted by: garrett at March 27, 2017 03:40 PM (T1Co2)

423 Hell Obama couldn't even go to a rodeo, or a 5th

grade classroom, without his teleprompter. Somebody else made the

decisions and he read his lines.



Obama was nothing but a front man for the communist Left/Democrat Party, his only qualification being that he was Black.
It breaks my heart that the country I love so much has become so shallow that that's all it took to allow a silent overthrow of the greatest system of government - with all its blemishes - the world has ever known.




Posted by: LGoPs at March 27, 2017 03:41 PM (FoTxO)

424 400 Guess who just got approval to move to Vegas?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/lowq9kb
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 27, 2017 03:37 PM (rUIbB)


But the vote wasn't unanimous.

The only no vote came from the Miami Dolphins.

I wonder why? What possible objection could they have?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 27, 2017 03:41 PM (WPSd5)

425 Straight repeal COULD work, but it has to be approached intelligently.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

_____

If enough Republicans have come forward and actually signed a letter that says "no" that you no longer have a majority to actually pass it, what is then the point?

If it's to "name and shame" and then primary them, fine, but now we're talking about halfway through Trump's 2nd term before we get any mileage out of it.

And these people never lose, look at Lindsey Graham and McCain. It would be the same with the rest of the RINOs.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 03:41 PM (R4/1o)

426 We won World War II in less than four.
_______________


Do tell?

Posted by: Britain and France at March 27, 2017 03:41 PM (UmSfZ)

427 Cause Medicaid doesn't do shit to help people.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:34 PM (mC1ZI)

The majority of the elderly in nursing homes are there through Medicaid.
Medicaid will pay for their care , and allow the spouse to stay in the marital home, keep a car and half of the cash assets so that they do not become a ward of the state either.

People forget what Medicaid covers. Unless they have gone through a Medicaid spend down and asset retention program via an attorney themselves for either a spouse , a parent or are a guardian of someone in a nursing home.

Posted by: Jen at March 27, 2017 03:41 PM (yxZrv)

428 The message is: you must help the poor people because eeeevil capitalism has short-changed them. You - by sheer luck or some some designated "privilege" (i.e. "You didn't build that!") - have gotten more than your "fair share" and are thus obligated to give back. That's a different message than Jesus'.


I hate the "give back" bullshit. Did "they" put a roof over my head? Put me through school? Help me when my life went to shit? No? Then fuck off.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 03:41 PM (0mRoj)

429 >>Right. And this bill went down before it even got there.

But there was a chance and there was none for a straight repeal. If you remember, most don't but it did happen, last year Congress passed for the first and only time a repeal/defund call it whatever you want through Congress using reconciliation. Again, this was the only repeal ever to get past both Houses, every other House bill died in the Senate.

At the time, Ryan and the Republican House leadership gave a presser where he announced that this proved the process could work and all they needed was a Republican President. They got one. One who also demanded a repeal AND a replacement plan.

This really wasn't a surprise. This was an announced strategy over 1 year in advance. It could've worked and today we would be looking to see what the Senate would do with it and planning for the budget reconciliation committee meeting to produce a final bill.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 03:42 PM (/tuJf)

430 414 We'll see, but I still think that the ACA could get goned.

Pffft.

We're in existential denial of math these days on a scale that would make the current Greek and Venezuelan governments blush.

We'll hit the wall. And then someone will get serious.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 27, 2017 03:39 PM (fdyxv)

=================

We're never going to pay back our debt. Ever.

The question is when other countries just simply stop buying our debt.

Then there's whether countries will want to spend billions of dollars trying to go to war with us to reclaim their money.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:42 PM (mC1ZI)

431
+100
Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 03:27 PM (sBOL1)

Thanks bluebell!! How are you this wonderful Spring Day?!

I am enjoying it immensely!!

Posted by: moki at March 27, 2017 03:42 PM (wuzmq)

432 426 We won World War II in less than four.
_______________


Do tell?
Posted by: Britain and France at March 27, 2017 03:41 PM (UmSfZ)

Fucking rightweights

Posted by: China at March 27, 2017 03:43 PM (7HtZB)

433 Britain and France

That second one? Try again.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 27, 2017 03:43 PM (fdyxv)

434 Yeah, he might have mentioned his Muslim faith or something...oh wait.
Posted by: wth at March 27, 2017 03:38 PM (HgMAr)


You're sounding a little wee-wee'd up there, cousin Pookeh. You might need a breathalyzer, or an inhalator.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 27, 2017 03:43 PM (8nWyX)

435 427 Cause Medicaid doesn't do shit to help people.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:34 PM (mC1ZI)

The majority of the elderly in nursing homes are there through Medicaid.
Medicaid will pay for their care , and allow the spouse to stay in the marital home, keep a car and half of the cash assets so that they do not become a ward of the state either.

People forget what Medicaid covers. Unless they have gone through a Medicaid spend down and asset retention program via an attorney themselves for either a spouse , a parent or are a guardian of someone in a nursing home.
Posted by: Jen at March 27, 2017 03:41 PM (yxZrv)

==================

Fine. Keep it for the elderly.

Nix it for everyone else.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:43 PM (mC1ZI)

436 In an alternate universe, had Obama had been a one termer with a Republican Congress, a "clean" repeal bill would have probably been signed into law before millions were using it.

In a sane universe, congress would realize that the ACA changed the status quo away from millions using a different insurance structure, and it can change again. The ratchet doesn't have to go only one way, unless congress refuses to have a single gonad between them to go around.

Jack Straw doesn't defend the GOP, rather, he explains their point of view and the rationale they use to do what they do.

While saying things like "they never betrayed us, tell me one thing they did to betray us!" You say he's giving their rationale, but every time he does so, its to defend their stabbing us in the back again

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:44 PM (39g3+)

437 Then Paul Ryan lied. The entire damn party lied. And this "realities" bullshit people are spinning now is nothing more than another thin veneer of crap to try and cover the fact that a Republican Congress ain't much better than a Democrat led Congress.

So that's it, then. You're really going with the "You Fucked Up. You Trusted Us." defense ?

Then fuck it. I'll vote Dem from now on ... let's destroy the GOP and see what springs up in it's place.
Posted by: ScoggDog
_________

Everyone did lie. No one is really blameless on this.

Hell, Trump started out wanting Universal health care and even tried to argue it at a GOP debate.

Deep down, I think that he's a populist on this and wants something like the UK has, which is why it was so dangerous to have a defeat on this instead of some constructive reforms.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 03:44 PM (R4/1o)

438 People forget what Medicaid covers. Unless they have gone through a Medicaid spend down and asset retention program via an attorney themselves for either a spouse , a parent or are a guardian of someone in a nursing home.
Posted by: Jen at March 27, 2017 03:41 PM (yxZrv)

I think that's Medicare-Medicaid is for low income people of working age. Unless it's a person of working age who is in a nursing home.

But I thought that Medicare was the insurance that kicked in for the elderly after 62 or 65, or some such age. Insomniac could answer this far better than me.

Posted by: moki at March 27, 2017 03:44 PM (wuzmq)

439 Fuck the Poor!

Posted by: Roman Senate at March 27, 2017 03:45 PM (T1Co2)

440 Hi moki - yes, much better than yesterday! But this every other day of 70+ weather alternating with 40+ weather is going to make us all sick, I fear.

Because I'm a mom and I say things like that.

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 03:45 PM (sBOL1)

441 The question is when other countries just simply stop buying our debt.

Then there's whether countries will want to spend billions of dollars trying to go to war with us to reclaim their money.



Fun part comes when trying to figure out which is which.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2017 03:46 PM (DfQBn)

442 Any new bill is going to have to (be written to) take into account not only the billions given to the insurance companies every year but the extra illegal billions that Barry's HHS and Treasury were giving them in the last few years. That let the entire camel into the tent. As far as Medicaid goes, how is Kasich going to explain to Ohio that Barky is no longer there to foot the $2.5 Billion bill for his Medicaid expansion? How is Ryan possibly going to go against the GOPe and CoC that funds his entire wing of the party?
I see single payer headlights coming straight at us from the end of the tunnel.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 27, 2017 03:46 PM (tTTfk)

443 My God, Jeff Sessions is a Racist

Posted by: Jean at March 27, 2017 03:46 PM (mjiiZ)

444 Get well, Ace.


417
I sticking with stockpiling silver and brass.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at March 27, 2017 03:39 PM (QQ+il)

For the vampire apocalypse?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 27, 2017 03:46 PM (GX63o)

445 Forgot the ", too"

Posted by: Jean at March 27, 2017 03:47 PM (mjiiZ)

446 What do you do with a sick Ewok?

Posted by: eleven at March 27, 2017 02:03 PM (qUNWi)



How do you solve a problem like Sick Ewok?
How do you help the lil' fellow when he's blue?
How do you cure a barfing, sharting Ewok?
Feed'em hobo steak and let him jack off in your shoes

Posted by: Zombie Rogers and Hammerstein at March 27, 2017 03:47 PM (vZ9Fw)

447 >>>Straw = China -> Ryder

:::binoculars appear from deep in the tall grass:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 27, 2017 03:47 PM (8eDKi)

448 Hell Obama couldn't even go to a rodeo, or a 5th grade classroom, without his...
.............

assless chaps.

Posted by: wth at March 27, 2017 03:47 PM (HgMAr)

449 >>While saying things like "they never betrayed us, tell me one thing they did to betray us!" You say he's giving their rationale, but every time he does so, its to defend their stabbing us in the back again

Only problem with your argument, the things you attribute to me exist only in your mind cause I never said them.

You seem to have a problem with me because I actually take the time to understand the process and try to see why certain things happen or don't. I know it's more fun for you to scream about backstabbing traitors but I don't find it particularly constructive. I like to understand what is really going on.

If you don't like what I say then don't read it. Simple solution.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 03:48 PM (/tuJf)

450 If enough Republicans have come forward and actually signed a letter that says "no" that you no longer have a majority to actually pass it, what is then the point?

That's not how it works. People can have minds changed, people can be persuaded and encouraged to take an action. A strong leader can get people to do what they aren't inclined to or said they would.

You can't just throw your hands up and say "never gonna work" just because some group says "I don't want to," not and be any kind of leader. You say "this is gonna be harder than I thought" and treat it as a challenge or an opportunity.

Remember how the ACA passed? Some Democrats didn't vote for it. ALL Republicans voted against it. Nearly 2/3rds of the country even in leftist polls were opposed to it. Almost everyone was saying not just "no" but "HELL NO!!!" Strangely, the Democrats were able to get it done anyway.

The next election, they were massacred in the polls. But they did it anyway, and the following one, they got a bunch of seats back.

This is the problem with the GOP, they don't know how or want to get things done. Their primary concern is getting reelected, not doing what they were elected to do or know they should do.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2017 03:48 PM (39g3+)

451 I don't recall stepping over bodies in the streets before Obama care

Posted by: Jean at March 27, 2017 03:48 PM (mjiiZ)

452 "Sorry -- I just feel like crap."


You know what would really help? I big ol' bowl of pasta.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2017 03:48 PM (TOk1P)

453 We might have won WWII in 4 years but we are in the middle of the 2nd Hundred Years War, Leftists slapped a new entitlement on the population and getting it gone isn't easy or ever been done in fact. I want it gond as much as anyone but it shouldn't be done in a hurry and half assed

Posted by: Skip at March 27, 2017 03:49 PM (GPaiX)

454 We're so neglected that they throw us a scrap and we're worshipful.

Posted by: spoonfeed me at March 27, 2017 03:49 PM (bcDxW)

455 >>You know what would really help? I big ol' bowl of KABOOM.

Posted by: garrett at March 27, 2017 03:49 PM (T1Co2)

456 Posted by: moki at March 27, 2017 03:44 PM (wuzmq)

Hey moki! In general, the rule of thumb is Medicaid is for poor people, Medicare is for old people. However, Medicaid does pay for nursing home care assuming that the resident meets the eligibility requirements. This can get complicated, as people will spend down/divest in order to become Medicaid-eligible for nursing home coverage. There are a number of rules and exceptions on what you can and can't do and in what period of time in order to reduce the number of people gaming the system.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 03:49 PM (0mRoj)

457 or wear
Posted by: willow at March 27, 2017 03:38 PM (R7cwD)

You have gave up on capitalization and punctuality a long time ago.

Why not throw spelling into the mix?

Posted by: Golfman at March 27, 2017 03:50 PM (48QDY)

458 I see single payer headlights coming straight at us from the end of the tunnel.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something
_________


What's scary is even a lot of "right leaning" people I know are now starting to throw their hands up and saying "might as well make it Single Payer".

As Obamacare continues to get worse, I wouldn't call it a smart gamble that it imploding is going to mean a more free market system takes its place.

If we had a nationwide vote on universal health care, it would probably win handily.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 03:50 PM (R4/1o)

459 Medicare does not cover living in a nursing home. If you have a medicare supplement policy you get a certain number of days per year in a rehab facility (i.e, a nursing home) to recover from medical events - broken hips, heart attack, etc.

Medicaid is a state program and depending upon the state it can cover living in a nursing home if you meet income/poverty guidelines.

Years ago when Carole Mosely Braun - D - Illinois was a senator, she managed to get her mother into a Medicaid-funded nursing home in Illinois even though she did not meet the guidelines the rest of us peasants have to meet.

Posted by: Boots at March 27, 2017 03:50 PM (EBwPV)

460 Republicans are so afraid of losing their jobs, they're paralyzed from even trying to do the right thing.
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And those who try to do the right thing as honest reps and senators are vilified and the old ladies in both houses are wringing their hands -- we have just lost everything! Biggest majorities ever from those honest brokers, delivered into the hands of 'realists' who are too nervous to even try. Bah.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 27, 2017 03:51 PM (MIKMs)

461 Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 27, 2017 03:49 PM (0mRoj)
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Ugh, gaming the system until you die. All the more reason to go out in a hail of gunfire, shot by a jealous husband while climbing out the window.
Like a boss.

Posted by: IP at March 27, 2017 03:51 PM (UmSfZ)

462 nood

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 27, 2017 03:52 PM (WPSd5)

463 You have gave up on capitalization and punctuality a long time ago.
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Golfman, willow is very punctual. She always gets here right in time before the next thread goes up.

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 03:52 PM (sBOL1)

464 Unlike me.

Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 03:52 PM (sBOL1)

465 440 Hi moki - yes, much better than yesterday! But this every other day of 70+ weather alternating with 40+ weather is going to make us all sick, I fear.

Because I'm a mom and I say things like that.
Posted by: bluebell at March 27, 2017 03:45 PM (sBOL1)

We have just finished our second round of the "flu-like virus" that I had in February. Apparently this was a different version of the first one, and knocked all of us on our keisters. So, out of the past three months, we have been sick or injured for all stinking three.

So, I hope the up and down temps don't give us a fourth!

And Ace, feel better. Mucinex is what helped all of us.

Posted by: moki at March 27, 2017 03:52 PM (wuzmq)

466 Maritime: "And then there's the inconvenient fact that Trump said he wouldn't sign a repeal only bill."

I think they should've tested that. Alas, after Failure Theater, we, I guess, knew in our souls, they wouldn't.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 27, 2017 03:53 PM (1CroS)

467 "Jack isn't even a Republican, numbnuts.
And no, I don't always support them. I think the Freedom Caucus betrayed and backstabbed on this one and it is going to ripple through the rest of Trump''s agenda. Watch and see."

Ignoramus isn't a Republican either.

I'm Freedom Caucus in my heart, but I'm pragmatic. We can't turn back the clock, except when we have a crisis.

We lost the chance to better hang this on the Ds by not getting the bill to the Schumer and the Senate.

But some of us can now preen over our purity

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2017 03:53 PM (SIY7D)

468 That's not how it works. People can have minds changed, people can be persuaded and encouraged to take an action. A strong leader can get people to do what they aren't inclined to or said they would.

You can't just throw your hands up and say "never gonna work" just because some group says "I don't want to," not and be any kind of leader. You say "this is gonna be harder than I thought" and treat it as a challenge or an opportunity.

Remember how the ACA passed? Some Democrats didn't vote for it. ALL Republicans voted against it. Nearly 2/3rds of the country even in leftist polls were opposed to it. Almost everyone was saying not just "no" but "HELL NO!!!" Strangely, the Democrats were able to get it done anyway.

The next election, they were massacred in the polls. But they did it anyway, and the following one, they got a bunch of seats back.

This is the problem with the GOP, they don't know how or want to get things done. Their primary concern is getting reelected, not doing what they were elected to do or know they should do.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


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I tend to take cowardly Republicans at their word when they say they are too scared to vote for something.

So the idea they could be intimidated into voting for it after promising they wouldn't is not the bet I would want to make.

Squishy Republicans tend to follow through on voting like Democrats.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 03:53 PM (R4/1o)

469 I saw Big 'Ol Bowl of Pasta open for Fatboy Slim at Creamfields in 2011.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 27, 2017 03:53 PM (8eDKi)

470 468 I tend to take cowardly Republicans at their word when they say they are too scared to vote for something.

So the idea they could be intimidated into voting for it after promising they wouldn't is not the bet I would want to make.

Squishy Republicans tend to follow through on voting like Democrats.
Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 03:53 PM (R4/1o)

==================

Maybe leadership should make them pay for not toeing the party line.

I don't know, they might gather some spine if they start losing committee seats and funding for future elections.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 27, 2017 03:55 PM (mC1ZI)

471 Insomniac and Boots,

Thanks, I didn't realize the distinction. We dealt with Medicare for my mom, but never had to use Medicaid.

But, this was 14 years ago, so stuff may have changed since then.


And Insomniac, I hope this week is better for you, hon. You are daily in my prayers.

Posted by: moki at March 27, 2017 03:55 PM (wuzmq)

472 The new Deathwish will probably have Bruce fighting Nazi's and Trump supporters, with the help of Islamist's. A real blockbuster.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 27, 2017 03:56 PM (6Ll1u)

473 As Obamacare continues to get worse, I wouldn't call it a smart gamble that it imploding is going to mean a more free market system takes its place.

If we had a nationwide vote on universal health care, it would probably win handily.
Posted by: Maritime


Even money.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 27, 2017 03:56 PM (tTTfk)

474 I don't know, but-

I believe this failure to kill Obamacare daid or make significant steps toward that is pretty much

strictly Ryan's failure.

He is seriously incompetent and should be removed from his post along with his Whip cuz that was some underwhelming leadership.

He did none of the things that you would expect a political leader to do.

Or perhaps, he simply wants obamacare to stay.

Either way, he's way way way out of step with the voters of his party and needs to be removed.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 27, 2017 03:56 PM (vZ9Fw)

475 You can't just throw your hands up and say "never gonna work" just because some group says "I don't want to," not and be any kind of leader. You say "this is gonna be harder than I thought" and treat it as a challenge or an opportunity.

CRT

Works for US.

Posted by: Citizens on Disabilty at March 27, 2017 03:56 PM (48QDY)

476 I don't recall stepping over bodies in the streets before Obama care

Posted by: Jean at March 27, 2017 03:48 PM (mjiiZ)


I do but it had nothing to do with health care and those same bodies are still there. They are the lunatics that our lefty courts let out of the asylums to cause chaos on the streets and make life as unpleasant as possible for those burdened with their presence.

ANyone who has lived in a major city has stepped over bodies at some point, though usually they have experienced being harassed and molested by these bodies as the courts continue to defend their "right" to live in the streets and make nuisances of themselves, if not terrify neighborhoods. And, yes, those same city people have walked past those bodies in various states of near-death. I lived in New York for years and this stuff was never alien to the city denizen.

But, again, this had nothing to do with health insurance or health care. It had to do with the lunatics' rights to be bodies in the street for people to step over.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2017 03:58 PM (zc3Db)

477 I'm Freedom Caucus in my heart, but I'm pragmatic. We can't turn back the clock, except when we have a crisis.

We lost the chance to better hang this on the Ds by not getting the bill to the Schumer and the Senate.

But some of us can now preen over our purity

Posted by: Ignoramus

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That's how I feel in that I want to "root" for the Freedom Caucus but at some point you have to see the "perfect can be the enemy of the good".

I also think the Freedom Caucus are a bunch of losers in that their style has done jack shit since Obama was elected. It's loss after loss but they can croon about their purity.

And then there's the fact they voted for Paul Ryan unanimously.

If they really wanted to make a difference, why did they want Paul Ryan as Speaker?

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 03:58 PM (R4/1o)

478 Thanks, I didn't realize the distinction. We dealt with Medicare for my mom, but never had to use Medicaid.
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Medicare only covers 100 days in the nursing home, then you have to pay yourself. In this area, it's $4000 a month and up.

Once almost all of your financial assets are gone (I think you can have 2500 in cash, one car and your house) you are poor enough to qualify for Medicaid, and they will pay your nursing home bills.

/not sure how you pay your property taxes if you only have $2500 in assets...

Posted by: shibumi at March 27, 2017 03:59 PM (FkAXz)

479 The new Deathwish will probably have Bruce fighting Nazi's and Trump supporters, with the help of Islamist's. A real blockbuster.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 27, 2017 03:56 PM (6Ll1u)




What no help from womyn, trannies or peoples of colors?!?!?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2017 03:59 PM (493sH)

480 >>I'm Freedom Caucus in my heart, but I'm pragmatic. We can't turn back the clock, except when we have a crisis.

>>We lost the chance to better hang this on the Ds by not getting the bill to the Schumer and the Senate.

>>But some of us can now preen over our purity

Yep. Kind of funny how this place swings from purity to supporting Trump and then back to purity again.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 04:00 PM (/tuJf)

481 Arrrrrrrr, arrr arr ar, arrrrrrr arrrrrrrrr arrrrr!
Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2017 02:36 PM
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Is it Talk Like a Pirate Day?!!? Nobody ever tells me anything.

Posted by: IrishEi at March 27, 2017 04:01 PM (HiDrR)

482 The dead horse looks well beaten, but to repeat a tedious yet on-point schtick from last week:


* pass a "germane" reconciliation bill out of the House (repealing only those parts you want to repeal that were originally enacted that way, thus no process issue)


* have a free-standing bill doing the rest of the repeal/changes you want ready to be voted on by the House (open rule, amendments allowed) - pass it and send it on to the Senate (having this bill ready to go with commitment for passage, as amended, ASAP would surely have sufficed to secure HFC support on "clean" reconciliation bill)


* Senate will have little excuse not to pass "clean" reconciliation bill (at least no O-care excuse)


* Senate then faces House bill - which *would* represent the actual politically achievable House product - and GOP Medicaid addicts and Dems from Trump states up for re-election in '18 can relearn what "politics" is about


* I think this by itself would yield a massively positive, even adequate change in the situation, at least on the core issues of O-care


* if not, more "politics" comes into play, as McConnell would need to ponder the nuke option


I doubt Trump would veto any bill resulting from such a process. If he did, then, surprise! More "politics" as Trump's base and others who fear and loathe the Dems have to figure out what to do.


This approach would be most likely to 1) take feasible action as quickly as possible 2) set the stage for max feasible comprehensive action to be taken - OR - for any impasse there to be hung around the necks of those preventing it (esp. in the Senate). I am confident Ryan never even considered this approach, but I don't know why.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 27, 2017 04:02 PM (QDnY+)

483 no! stop! we HAVE to have an EVERYTHING Comprehensive EVERYTHING bill on the table before we can Do Anything!

Comprehensive!

it has to include:

the wall
planned parenthood
tax relief
deregulation of Everything
repeal of Frank-Dodd
reinstatement of Glass-Steagall
constitutional carry coast-to-coast

and most of all:

repeal of the ACA and just reset everything to pre-2007

Comprehensive! that's the ticket!


Posted by: WaldoTJ (in Texas) at March 27, 2017 04:05 PM (M1MpJ)

484 Insomniac: "Well, yes. But you're talking about nearly 80 years' worth of government fuckery that has to be undone."

Indeed. And a serious nation with serious Statesmen would quit kicking the can and actually start addressing these things, or just say, "You know what? We're out of the business. Let the States have it."

I'm not blaming just this iteration of government, obviously. They've inherited these sh*t sandwiches. However, and the incumbency percentages validate, most are disinterested in changing the menu. They are simply more interested in increasing the prices and costs.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 27, 2017 04:06 PM (1CroS)

485 Yep. Kind of funny how this place swings from purity to supporting Trump and then back to purity again.

Rest assured Jack ... your party probably needn't worry about sullying itself by accepting a vote from me again.

Not bullshitting. I just do not see that much difference between the two ... not when it comes down to actions. Just two different flavors of Big Central Gub'Mint.

Count me squarely in the corner of Let It Burn. I'll be voting for whatever sets things on fire quicker for now on.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 27, 2017 04:07 PM (tFWWx)

486 Only thing I'd want to see a Palestinian terrorist feminist stripped of.

Posted by: Bud Norton at March 27, 2017 04:08 PM (6cOMd)

487 I think that's Medicare-Medicaid is for low income people of working age. Unless it's a person of working age who is in a nursing home.

But I thought that Medicare was the insurance that kicked in for the elderly after 62 or 65, or some such age. Insomniac could answer this far better than me.
Posted by: moki at March 27, 2017 03:44 PM (wuzmq)

No, and you won't be the first person to think the above.

Medicare is health care insurance for those age 65 and older and have paid into the Medicare system throughout their working life. It covers hospitalization, doctor visits, medical procedures, etc. , has numerous limits and doesn't cover everything like a typical health insurance policy. Medicare has two sections, one called A and one called B , one covers hospitals and one covers doctor, etc. Part A is free after age 65 and part B continues to be paid by premiums the individual pays after retirement, even if all they receive is SS benefits(deducted right out of SS). Part C allows you to go off to AARP or whoever and buy a supplemental policy to cover the numerous things and limits that part A and B don't cover, and you pay for this also on your own.
Part D is the George Bush/Ted Kennedy bill that allows for prescription coverage that you can buy via Medicare approved plans that once again, you pay for , but are subsidized by the government to keep them , cough , affordable.

Additionally, Part D had a "flaw" in which policies had "donut holes" , a time where you had received RX coverage, then there was a gap in coverage where you received no benefit, then it picked back up again based on total deductibles you paid.

Obamacare eliminated the donut hole, which eliminated an expense for seniors on Rx drugs.
Straight repeal would have removed that and implemented additional costs again.

Medicare is fully funded by the Federal government via premiums paid and magic accounting out of the treasury.

Now to Medicaid. Medicaid is state run health care benefits designed for those individuals who fall at certain levels above the poverty line, depending on whether they are adults, children, caretakers, etc. Average around 175%. Those who receive Medicaid cards can go to hospitals, clinics, and doctors who accept Medicaid for treatment , usually for a few dollars of copay and the facility will be reimbursed by the government for the charges based on a predetermined contract. (which is low, why no one wants to accept Medicaid)

Medicaid also will cover nursing home care for anyone who qualifies for Medicaid, regardless of their age, as long as they meet guidelines for nursing home admission. Typically that is an elderly person, although those with severe disabilities will be covered.

Nursing home care is the single biggest cost to a state with Medicaid programs. Medicare does NOT cover nursing home care.

To qualify for Medicaid coverage for a nursing home, an elderly person has to have , in most states, less than 2, 500 in assets in cash and real estate, or vehicles. Once they reach that point, they will qualify for coverage and the state will pick up their care.

States receive Medicaid funding assistance through the Fed gov on a limited basis. One of the carrots of Obama care was a short term increase in funding for those states that accepted it and agreed to increase the enrollment in their state.

A straight repeal removes the funding , which is why dumb gov. such as Kasich, who accepted the short term funding increase, are crying about it in the repeal.

These are the landmines I talked about that the Dem included to protect Obamacare.

Posted by: Jen at March 27, 2017 04:09 PM (yxZrv)

488 Yep. Kind of funny how this place swings from purity to supporting Trump and then back to purity again.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 04:00 PM (/tuJf)


Forgetting the "purity" BS, I support Trump but he's dead wrong on this. I don't know why you think that there would be any sort of an issue with such a position. I mean, really ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2017 04:11 PM (zc3Db)

489 "Ignoramus isn't a Republican either.

I'm Freedom Caucus in my heart, but I'm pragmatic. We can't turn back the clock, except when we have a crisis.

We lost the chance to better hang this on the Ds by not getting the bill to the Schumer and the Senate.

But some of us can now preen over our purity"

Damn Freedom Caucus thought they were going to do what they've been saying they're going to do for 7 years.

Freedom Caucus obstructionists!

Posted by: spoonfeed me at March 27, 2017 04:12 PM (bcDxW)

490 I love that you get nursing home coverage with MediCaid but not MediCare that you actually pay into your whole life.


This stuff is never getting repealed until we have a currency crisis and we start bouncing checks.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 04:13 PM (R4/1o)

491 Three distinguished commenters now using "purity" in, I think, an incorrect way. (normally I used to associate that term, if used at all, with the fairly misinformed GOP apologists we don't seem to attract as much any more - but these commenters are far above that breed I am referring to)


I think the HFC's revolt was "pragmatic" - they didn't have any confidence that Phase 3 would ever happen, and that Phase 1 (this failed bill) was the high-water mark of GOP "reform" this session. And it wasn't just "impure" or "imperfect" but very bad.


A "clean" reconciliation bill repealing only those things originally enacted via reconciliation (and thus presumably process-proof for a 51-vote victory in the Senate) might have run up against the same lack of faith in leadership, but at least would have not been a disaster in itself.


But we don't know if anyone ever considered one.


The bizarre idea that Congress only has/had this one tiny window to act on O-care (or anything else) is completely inaccurate. Every aspect of O-care remains subject to straight legislative amendment or repeal, as does any part of its funding that's part of normal appropriations.


Differing "pragmatic" tactical and strategic approaches, not "purity", can fully account for the divisions in the House. Of course we know there are actual substantive differences, but the concepts of credibility and good-faith are much more in play here than "purity" of any sort.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 27, 2017 04:15 PM (QDnY+)

492
Damn Freedom Caucus thought they were going to do what they've been saying they're going to do for 7 years.

Freedom Caucus obstructionists!
Posted by: spoonfeed me
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Okay, show me the ObamaCare repeal.

Freedom caucus promised the moon and they have nothing to show for it.

But they can talk about their kept promise on the Hugh Hewitt show while we not one word of ObamaCare has been altered.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 04:15 PM (R4/1o)

493 The bizarre idea that Congress only has/had this one tiny window to act on O-care (or anything else) is completely inaccurate.

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They do have a small window in that Trump promised he was going to move on if it failed at this juncture.

You can call that bluster, but I take him at his word.

I think he will largely move on for the rest of his term.

The Freedom Caucus thought they could keep getting a better and better deal by digging their heels, but they overplayed their hand and have nothing to show for it.

Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 04:19 PM (R4/1o)

494 >>Rest assured Jack ... your party probably needn't worry about sullying itself by accepting a vote from me again.

Not my party, I'm an Independent and I really don't care how you vote.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 04:22 PM (/tuJf)

495 Feel better, Ace. I'll pray for you.

Posted by: Zaklog the Great at March 27, 2017 04:22 PM (TDWVO)

496 Even though it's like trying to enforce strict order in the final rush to board the lifeboats aboard the Titanic, I'd like to suggest we segregate Medicaid from the rest of O-care for tactical/political discussions.


Probably hardly any part of the Tea Party phenomenon, or the historic wave/rebellion elections of '10, '14, or '16 turned on the Medicaid question. It was about the rest of O-care, which is functionally separate.


The political dynamics (as JackStraw helpfully points out) of the Medicaid aspect are quite distinct.


To over-simplify, but in the right direction: Medicaid is politically complicated, O-care central is not. The latter has almost no support, as befits a situation where there are up to 5 big losers for every "winner".

Posted by: rhomboid at March 27, 2017 04:24 PM (L7t0A)

497 >>Even though it's like trying to enforce strict order in the final rush to board the lifeboats aboard the Titanic, I'd like to suggest we segregate Medicaid from the rest of O-care for tactical/political discussions.

I'm not sure how you do that since Medicaid expansion is one of the biggest parts of Obamacare. If you want a straight repeal, the entirety of Medicaid expansion has to be repealed as well. That's the rub.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2017 04:26 PM (/tuJf)

498 Posted by: rhomboid at March 27, 2017 04:24 PM (L7t0A)

One of the major problems with BarkyCare (aside from the clear Constitutional issues) is that it supercharges Medicaid. There is no end to possible health care expenditures and the rapid and great growth in Medicaid is a guaranteed budgetary killer. The Medicaid issue is perhaps the most dangerous budgetary piece of BarkyCare and, even if one put aside the anti-American, insane, un-Constitutional nature of BarkyCare, itself, the Medicaid piece of it makes it untenable and as dangerous to our society as anything.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2017 04:27 PM (zc3Db)

499 OK, Maritime, let Trump sit there if Congress actually acts on the most important political issue of the last 8 years - and one directly negatively affecting economic growth.


Not that I'm expecting Congress to do anything. We are past Twilight Zone territory.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 27, 2017 04:29 PM (L7t0A)

500 They do have a small window in that Trump promised he was going to move on if it failed at this juncture.



You can call that bluster, but I take him at his word.



I think he will largely move on for the rest of his term.



The Freedom Caucus thought they could keep getting a better and
better deal by digging their heels, but they overplayed their hand and
have nothing to show for it.





Posted by: Maritime at March 27, 2017 04:19 PM (R4/1o)

There was no better deal offer... not in any substantive way.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 27, 2017 05:01 PM (qf8IB)

501 Ace, your body has adapted to the high fat and high protein low carb healthy diet. You admitted to eating carbs on Friday. This is why you feel like shit. Get back on the healthy eating plan. This is your body telling you to do so.

Just my 2 cents from somebody who gets ill from carb consumption.

Posted by: Phone of Widespread Pepe at March 27, 2017 06:34 PM (FwSdb)

502 This a grave day in American history. A grave blow to the Republic. And some shitty A Rab hater gonna get thrown out.
Ace, may you recover like Bill Clinton on a private island with 16 year old hookers. That means rapidly, if you didn't know.
I am reminded of Simon and Garfunkel. Where have you gone, Ace DiMaggio, a nation turns it's lonely eyes your way. Wo wo wo.

Posted by: Joe Mack at March 27, 2017 08:45 PM (iLoHX)

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