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Gun Thread: Because We Haven't Had One In Awhile!

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How Donald Trump Shot The Gun Industry In The Gut

Unfortunately, Trump's win has had the unintended consequence of throwing the firearms industry into a deep slump, forcing major companies to lay off workers, driving prices deep into the red, and forcing some gun dealers out of business. While the Obama years might have been a dark time for gun rights, the Democrat president was a boon for gun retailers and manufacturers (a fact Obama has admitted himself). Each time the needle ticked further in the direction of gun restriction, Americans flocked to their local gun store and plunked down cash for more irons.

I wonder if this is simply a temporary readjustment from unnaturally robust demand? My bet is that demand has shifted, and will absorb much of the additional production...just not all of it. And that's fine. it's called the free market.

In the meantime prices are wonderfully manageable. I'm not suggesting that you sell your least well-behaved child to buy that Sig 320 you have your eye on, but......

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Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 19, 2017 11:54 AM (ul9CR)

2 Love the poster.

Posted by: rickl at March 19, 2017 11:54 AM (sdi6R)

3 Those are the ones with the things that go up.

Who says we don't know guns.

Posted by: The MFM at March 19, 2017 11:55 AM (ul9CR)

4 Assault derringers!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 19, 2017 11:57 AM (kTF2Z)

5 See? I told you so. President Obama did wonders for the economy, and now Trump is ruining it.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at March 19, 2017 11:57 AM (sdi6R)

6 Wait, aren't progressives buying more as part of the "Resistance"? If so, expect an increase in news stories about owners in Ann Arbor, Berkeley and Cambridge accidentally blowing their heads off.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 19, 2017 11:58 AM (+sRjj)

7 my shoulder has almost fully healed and i'm ready to get back to the range............it makes me giddy just thinking about it.....maybe a celebratory purchase is in order......

Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 19, 2017 11:59 AM (0O7c5)

8 A little thread reading music: Lynyrd Skynyrd, "God & Guns"

http://preview.tinyurl.com/zbnux65

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 19, 2017 11:59 AM (ul9CR)

9 This makes up for the fasion thread we had to go through

Posted by: Skip at March 19, 2017 12:00 PM (GPaiX)

10 Finally got to shoot with my Aimpoint PRO last week. Easy to adjust and get just right. Like it a lot so far.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at March 19, 2017 12:02 PM (FqgrG)

11 CBD - I'm trying to decide between the P320C and the SC or some mix and match combo. Any thoughts?

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 12:02 PM (/WPPJ)

12
Was cleaning the Rogers and Spencer and wondering if there is a conversion cylinder available.

Just noodling, not decided one way or another.



Posted by: irongrampa at March 19, 2017 12:04 PM (X35Yt)

13 This makes up for the fasion thread we had to go through
Posted by: Skip at March 19, 2017 12:00 PM (GPaiX)


There is a nonzero probability that this thread will turn into a dress-buying thread too. Standing between 'ettes and fashionchat is like finding some cubs and discovering that the mama bear is right behind you. Tread lightly.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 12:06 PM (8nWyX)

14 Any thoughts?

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 12:02 PM (/WPPJ)

None.

You probably know a lot more about those pistols than I do. All I know about them is that they look great, and the reviews have been almost uniformly glowing.

Maybe Jim (Sunk New Dawn) will poke his head in.

https://gundigest.com/concealed-carry/sig-sauer-p320c-review

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 19, 2017 12:06 PM (rF0hx)

15 If so, expect an increase in news stories about owners in Ann Arbor, Berkeley and Cambridge accidentally blowing their heads off. "

It's not nice to tease...

Heh

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at March 19, 2017 12:06 PM (MINbv)

16 Has the news of the gun industry's slowdown gotten out to the .22lr hoarders?

Posted by: Eddie Baby at March 19, 2017 12:07 PM (CTCca)

17 There are an estimated 310 million firearms in the US.

Well maintained firearms last decades.

I'd say the market is saturated.

Posted by: Kreplach at March 19, 2017 12:07 PM (+lv+r)

18 13 This makes up for the fasion thread we had to go through
Posted by: Skip at March 19, 2017 12:00 PM (GPaiX)

There is a nonzero probability that this thread will turn into a dress-buying thread too. Standing between 'ettes and fashionchat is like finding some cubs and discovering that the mama bear is right behind you. Tread lightly.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 12:06 PM (8nWyX)

Hot chicks in tight dresses shooting guns. Works for me.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 19, 2017 12:08 PM (0mRoj)

19 Yay, gun thread!
I mentioned this last week, but this is a better place to bring it up. The SNL skit about a machine that translates dog language into human language had Scarlett Johansson waving around a gun, and there were actors and crew and a dog within shooting distance, and she had her finger on the trigger. Celebrities need to be called out on this sort of display. Skit here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfCCwEf_J5A

gun safety violations start at about 3:50

Posted by: m at March 19, 2017 12:08 PM (3jGss)

20 I saw a sticker in the rear window of a pickup truck the other day:

"Gunpowder and lead. That's what little girls are made of."

Brought a smile to my face, it did.

Posted by: rickl at March 19, 2017 12:08 PM (sdi6R)

21 So a friend of mine was proudly showing off his new AR to me this weekend.

He mounted a light on top of the scope. It looks...unseemly.


Posted by: Country Singer at March 19, 2017 12:09 PM (GUBah)

22 >>>I wonder if this is simply a temporary readjustment from unnaturally robust demand?

Yeah, left out of that article was that a whole lot of people had been hired in the upswing.

Posted by: m at March 19, 2017 12:09 PM (3jGss)

23 OT: Dog-hating bastard Jimmy Breslin dead at last.

http://tinyurl.com/kd3avu4

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 19, 2017 12:09 PM (+sRjj)

24 I'll admit that I bought a thousand dollars or so of receivers and a few kits with the intention of selling them for three times as much once Hillary started the regular rumblings about banning the things that nobody uses to commit crimes.

I'll lose money on them, and I'm losing money happily.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 19, 2017 12:09 PM (BVEPe)

25 16 Has the news of the gun industry's slowdown gotten out to the .22lr hoarders?

Word.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 19, 2017 12:09 PM (ul9CR)

26 Now I want suppressors, SBRs and full-auto to be taken off the NFA and made widely available. Too much too soon?

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 19, 2017 12:10 PM (0mRoj)

27 So I pull the trigger and...

BLAM

Ow

Posted by: SJW at March 19, 2017 12:11 PM (kTF2Z)

28 Re #20:

I'll bet that truck was driven by a proud dad.

Posted by: rickl at March 19, 2017 12:12 PM (sdi6R)

29 He mounted a light on top of the scope. It looks...unseemly.
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Seems like a light on the top of a scope screams "Here I am! The guy with the gun! Shoot at me!"

Posted by: shibumi at March 19, 2017 12:12 PM (FkAXz)

30 Oh, and the local Academy has (ok, had after my visit...) boxes of 50 for 2.49...

Happy plinking time!

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at March 19, 2017 12:13 PM (MINbv)

31 That's .22, btw...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at March 19, 2017 12:13 PM (MINbv)

32
I can't decide on caliber.

two two three is too small; 5.56 if you insist on metric.

seven point six two, might be adequate, or should I go with .308?

What I want is 7mm magnum, or .300 Winchester magnum, just because magnum and ballistics.

I no nuthing about .338

and 1.5k bucks is outside my price range. Which is just as well because up here in the Great Northern Forest, sight lines longer that a 100 meters are not all that common; well, depending on circumstances.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 19, 2017 12:13 PM (I2VBa)

33 Methinks the Lib preppers are too busy trying to find Mountain House freeze-dried lattes to bother with teh gunz just yet.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 19, 2017 12:13 PM (ul9CR)

34 So can Trump restore importation of those dangerous, heavy, finger smashing Garands that Obama locked up in Korea, or have they already been sawn in half?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 19, 2017 12:13 PM (BVEPe)

35 Oddly enough, a few of my youngest kidlet's sorority sisters have started getting their FOID (Illinois requirement, don't tase me bros) cards and going regularly to the range. I am very heartened by young ladies attempting to protect themselves.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 19, 2017 12:14 PM (MIKMs)

36 Seems like a light on the top of a scope screams "Here I am! The guy with the gun! Shoot at me!"

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...as graphically represented in 'John Wick'.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 19, 2017 12:14 PM (I2VBa)

37 I can't decide on caliber.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 19, 2017 12:13 PM (I2VBa)


What do you intend to (or alternately hope to never) use it for?

Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 12:15 PM (8nWyX)

38 I like a light but only if you can easily switch it on/off quickly. Mounting it on top of a scope seems like that would be difficult.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at March 19, 2017 12:15 PM (FqgrG)

39 The rent is too damn high. The rent is too damn low.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 19, 2017 12:16 PM (IqV8l)

40 All of us in Brattleboro does not suppurt Trump's mean and evil heelthcare law. Trump wants persons of all colors accept persons of no color to get sick and die. Trump will do anything to get Demoncratic voters sick and unable to vote again when Hillary runs for presdent next year. We also herd that Trump's Healthcare law does not supports the practice of Fart-Tubing which is popular in Vermint. We does not like Trump and calls on the Supremium Court to renove Trump and gives us back Presdent Obama

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at March 19, 2017 12:16 PM (WmgTn)

41 Bought a Ruger 10/22 takedown last week. Now to resist the urge to make it another "project."

Posted by: Eisenhorn at March 19, 2017 12:16 PM (J9FkY)

42 Those new owners in Ann Arbor etc won't have accidents unless they actually handle their new sentient killer death machines after purchase. Maybe we can offer helpful hints such as "check to see if the weapon is loaded by looking down the barrel" or "if pulled over for a traffic stop, immediately display the weapon to the officer".


>>> 17 There are an estimated 310 million firearms in the US.

Well maintained firearms last decades.

I'd say the market is saturated.

Posted by: Kreplach at March 19, 2017 12:07 PM (+lv+r)


That's crazy talk. Aren't we supposed to have at least 17 guns each?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 19, 2017 12:16 PM (zWAQT)

43 Just know that if you have a gun rated for. 308 you can shoot 7.62 through it safely but not necessarily the other way around. It's the opposite of .223 vs. 5.56.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at March 19, 2017 12:17 PM (FqgrG)

44 This makes up for the fasion thread we had to go through
Posted by: Skip at March 19, 2017 12:00 PM (GPaiX)

There is a nonzero probability that this thread will turn into a dress-buying thread too. Standing between 'ettes and fashionchat is like finding some cubs and discovering that the mama bear is right behind you. Tread lightly.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 12:06 PM (8nWyX)
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You rang?

Posted by: bluebell at March 19, 2017 12:17 PM (sBOL1)

45 Counted yesterday, have casted 252 bullets in 75cal, itching to go fire some. Have lots of experiments to try.

Posted by: Skip at March 19, 2017 12:17 PM (GPaiX)

46 I saw a sticker in the rear window of a pickup truck the other day:

"Gunpowder and lead. That's what little girls are made of."

Brought a smile to my face, it did.
Posted by: rickl at March 19, 2017 12:08 PM (sdi6R)



Miranda Lambert:

https://youtu.be/vMMTx2VIub4

Posted by: Country Singer at March 19, 2017 12:18 PM (GUBah)

47 There had to be a slump after all that unnatural Obama demand. I didn't buy a single gun and haven't bought one in decades.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 19, 2017 12:18 PM (mpXpK)

48 Re: Skandia

I like 30-.06 for sort of traditional/family heritage reasons, but if I were buying a rifle with no bias I'd go 308 in a heartbeat. Reasonably priced, robust market, easy shooting, and a great all-around round.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 19, 2017 12:18 PM (BVEPe)

49 Actually, I came on here just to note that my husband is still buying ammo as if Obama were still president. I think we will have to evict a couple kids so we can take over their closets.

Posted by: bluebell at March 19, 2017 12:19 PM (sBOL1)

50 bluebell, thank you for the French translation the other day! I did see it but I haven't run into you to say thanks. Or should I say, "merci."

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 19, 2017 12:19 PM (ul9CR)

51 I'm doing my part. Just picked up a Ruger AR-556.

Posted by: Jolo at March 19, 2017 12:20 PM (HoCMU)

52 .30, not 06. Ha. What would that even look like?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 19, 2017 12:20 PM (BVEPe)

53 De rien, WhatWhatWhat.

Posted by: bluebell at March 19, 2017 12:20 PM (sBOL1)

54 Miss me yet?

Posted by: Barack Obama: America's Greatest Gun Salesman at March 19, 2017 12:20 PM (qJhUV)

55 Guns per capita USA : 112

Next highest? Yemen: 54

Canada: 30

Mexico: 15
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I think our neighbors in the North and South should thnk about those facts.

Posted by: shibumi at March 19, 2017 12:21 PM (FkAXz)

56 As the weather improves, when it comes to guns I am thinking more and more about black powder shooting. Besides having a flintlock, a new percussion rifle and a smooth bore to sight in and develop loads for, the pace of muzzleloading just appeals to me more every year. I even enjoy cleaning and maintaining BP guns in great condition.

Posted by: JTB at March 19, 2017 12:22 PM (V+03K)

57 Actually, I came on here just to note that my husband is still buying ammo as if Obama were still president. I think we will have to evict a couple kids so we can take over their closets.
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1. The Burning Times still could happen.
2. SMOD
3. Not spending cash on hookers, blow or pron

Posted by: shibumi at March 19, 2017 12:22 PM (FkAXz)

58 This is a good problem to have. Yeah, the gun companies have had Obama for 8 years of panic selling, but now prices are coming down, down.

My problem still is too many guns. I need to cull the herd but I do plan to pick up a couple more.
I want an M1A Scout rifle still and maybe one of those new CZ P10's....though that's a harder sell as I really, really, really don't need a 12th 9mm pistol.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 19, 2017 12:22 PM (xJa6I)

59 Had the chance to observe a truly silenced 10-22 in action a while ago.

Not just suppressed, but silenced ( he was using sub-sonic ammo), and ALL you heard was the bolt cycle.

I loved it, but still made me just a bit uneasy.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 19, 2017 12:22 PM (X35Yt)

60 So, can I get a 300 Weatherby Magnum cheap now?

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 19, 2017 12:23 PM (mpXpK)

61 Seems like a light on the top of a scope screams "Here I am! The guy with the gun! Shoot at me!"
Posted by: shibumi at March 19, 2017 12:12 PM (FkAXz)



Not unusual for lights to be mounted to AR platforms. It's just that normally people mount them in line with the barrel. In his case, the setup is intended for coyote (the four legged kind) eradication. There's a bounty chance at a lifetime hunting license riding on taking them here in Georgia.

https://tinyurl.com/knw9cwf

Posted by: Country Singer at March 19, 2017 12:23 PM (GUBah)

62 My problem still is too many guns"

It's the English language, but I don't understand the phrase...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at March 19, 2017 12:24 PM (MINbv)

63 I have seen this news story before. I keep thinking, "Citation needed."

Which gun makers are laying off (aside from Colt, whose shitty management figured out how to LOSE money in the last eights. Not Trump's fault.)? Which gun dealers are going out of business? Who was tracking this, anyway?

I agree that there has been a marked decrease in demand. I just hate generalizations like this. Stinks of bullshit the author THINKS might be true, but has no imperial evidence.

Further, I distinctly remember reading and viewing stories relating to the ammo rush, about how most producers were adding shifts and trying to boost production without large capital purchases. They seemed to understand that the surge was most likely temporary. Ammo is now more available than its been, but the prices are not back down to what I remember, and probably never will be. And plenty have already mentioned the .22LR situation.....

Posted by: User name cannot be blank at March 19, 2017 12:24 PM (CEU4j)

64 I'd say it was just a case of the market being overheated, driven by legitimate fears of what the Obamanauts wanted to do, and now it is experiencing a correction.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 19, 2017 12:24 PM (WDdjT)

65 Yup...the market is saturated. Prices will fall, supply has out paced demand.

Fat Ben from Classic keeps emailing me his great deals, cracked stocks and all.

Now is the time for France to flood the market with their warehoused MAC 1950 9 mm.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 19, 2017 12:24 PM (5VlCp)

66 @Skandia Recluse

Low powered optics help tremendously on a rifle, even just a humble red dot sight. I hardly ever see an AR at the range without something on the top rail anymore.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 19, 2017 12:25 PM (xJa6I)

67 JTB, 56 - Yup, me too. A small gauge fowler of some sort, I'm decent working with wood, so I'll do the stock myself and buy the metal bits.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 12:26 PM (/WPPJ)

68 I like a light but only if you can easily switch it on/off quickly. Mounting it on top of a scope seems like that would be difficult.
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at March 19, 2017 12:15 PM (FqgrG)



The one he got comes with the pressure switch mount so the on/off can be controlled without taking your hands off the rifle.

Posted by: Country Singer at March 19, 2017 12:26 PM (GUBah)

69 Now that Trump is in office will be getting ll those surplus M1 Garands from overseas that Obama was blocking?

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 19, 2017 12:26 PM (mpXpK)

70 Vic, can't recall where, but saw a 300 for under 600 bucks not too long ago...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at March 19, 2017 12:26 PM (MINbv)

71 If you want something different, blackpowder pistols are tremendous fun and very cheap. It will give you a new respect while thinking about men handling and trying to reload them under duress, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 19, 2017 12:28 PM (BVEPe)

72 @Anon a mouse

I'm out of space! My house is like Christopher Walken's place in Dogs of War or Patrick Stewart's in Safe House. I pretty much literally have a rifle in every closet and in every corner. I have pistols stashed everywhere and I just couldn't figure out where I'd put the new Springfield Armory Saint or the new Kel Tec RFB...

Sigh.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 19, 2017 12:28 PM (xJa6I)

73 I can't decide on caliber.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 19, 2017 12:13 PM (I2VBa)

What do you intend to (or alternately hope to never) use it for?

Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 12:15 PM


Just wishful thinking. I've always wanted a sniper rifle. With my eyesight a tactical shotgun for home defense is all I 'need', but who answers the 3am knock at the door with a shotgun in hand? Or goes to investigate the sound of a window breaking with a loaded shotgun? Instead, the prudent thing to do is call 911 and say, "I think someone is trying to break into my house."

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 19, 2017 12:29 PM (I2VBa)

74 .30, not 06. Ha. What would that even look like?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 19, 2017 12:20 PM (BVEPe)

Me?

Posted by: M1 carbine at March 19, 2017 12:29 PM (WDdjT)

75 two two three is too small; 5.56 if you insist on metric

I've been somewhat of a proponent of the 6.8 SPC but have always felt constrained by it's "barterability", for lack of a better term.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 19, 2017 12:29 PM (Tyii7)

76 I keep watching videos on a Colt Walker replica, have always wanted one.

Posted by: Skip at March 19, 2017 12:31 PM (GPaiX)

77 70
Vic, can't recall where, but saw a 300 for under 600 bucks not too long ago...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at March 19, 2017 12:26 PM (MINbv)

The ones I have seen on Gunbroker.com are running around $1,000 to $1200. But those are for "good" years.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 19, 2017 12:31 PM (mpXpK)

78 Notorious BFD, 75 - I've got a 6.8. Not bad. Good hog gun, maybe deer. It works best if you have a 270 Win. and can reload for both.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 12:32 PM (/WPPJ)

79 Posted by: bluebell at March 19, 2017 12:19 PM (sBOL1)
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No such thing as too much ammo!

Posted by: Weasel at March 19, 2017 12:32 PM (bDXcl)

80 CBD, Thanks for posting a gun thread. It is always appropriate to have one.

Posted by: JTB at March 19, 2017 12:33 PM (V+03K)

81 Time to repeal the unconstitutional NFA.

Posted by: Guzalot at March 19, 2017 12:34 PM (schB/)

82 No such thing as too much ammo!
Posted by: Weasel at March 19, 2017 12:32 PM (bDXcl)
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Mr. bluebell, is that you?

Weasel, I may be getting in touch with you soon. It's almost time.

Posted by: bluebell at March 19, 2017 12:34 PM (sBOL1)

83 The only gun I have leaned towards the "ants" for in the past several years is the SnW .50 Mag. But they are so damn expensive as well as the ammo.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 19, 2017 12:35 PM (mpXpK)

84 Posted by: bluebell at March 19, 2017 12:34 PM (sBOL1)
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Anytime!!! You just say the word!

Posted by: Weasel at March 19, 2017 12:35 PM (bDXcl)

85 Thanks, Weasel - I will!

Posted by: bluebell at March 19, 2017 12:35 PM (sBOL1)

86 81 Time to repeal the unconstitutional NFA.
Posted by: Guzalot at March 19, 2017 12:34 PM (schB/)

It's well past due, but I don't see this happening any time soon.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 19, 2017 12:36 PM (0mRoj)

87
I have several BP revolvers in .36 and .44 cals.

Shooting them is akin to holding a bit of history in your hands.

Most surprising has been the degree of accuracy. I was quite amazed at the tight group you can achieve with the proper load and ball size.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 19, 2017 12:37 PM (X35Yt)

88 Skandia : Old 303 rifles/ammo were cheap at gun shows a few years ago, and probably still are now that Trump won. A fine round that will outshoot most of its users, and it might be something to consider.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 19, 2017 12:39 PM (BVEPe)

89 Seems like I don't have trouble finding some type or other of .22LR.
Last purchase was CCI mini-mag hp.
But Stingers, which my 10-22 absolutely lurves have been nonexistent forever. Still don't know why.

Posted by: teej at March 19, 2017 12:39 PM (tnOuI)

90 I've got a 6.8. Not bad. Good hog gun, maybe deer.

Yes. I guess I've always thought of it more with respect to its anti-personnel capabilities, but good point.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 19, 2017 12:40 PM (Tyii7)

91 ...but who answers the 3am knock at the door with a shotgun in hand? Or goes to investigate the sound of a window breaking with a loaded shotgun? Instead, the prudent thing to do is call 911 and say, "I think someone is trying to break into my house."
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 19, 2017 12:29 PM (I2VBa)



I do. Well, that or a handgun, depending on where I am in the house at the moment. 911 calls for "Someone tried to break into my house and now there's a dead perp and a big puddle of blood on my floor."

Posted by: Country Singer at March 19, 2017 12:41 PM (GUBah)

92 67 ... Skook, I envy your skills. The best I can do is a CVA kit type build. I can finish the stock pretty well.

I would love to get a fowler but can't justify the cost and I don't hunt anymore. I do have an old 12 ga. SxS muzzleloader and had the original barrel for my Renegade bored out from 50 caliber to 20 gauge, a true .62 caliber. (I replaced the Renegade barrel with a drop in Green River barrel back when they were still made. Better round ball twist and a longer, better balanced barrel.)

Posted by: JTB at March 19, 2017 12:41 PM (V+03K)

93 Moron Robbie at March 19, 2017 12:39 PM

Thanks for the suggestion. Price is the major obstacle. If I had something, I would want to learn to shoot it well. The nearest public NRA Range is 100 mile one way. Do able, but for inertia.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 19, 2017 12:43 PM (I2VBa)

94 Just wishful thinking. I've always wanted a sniper rifle.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 19, 2017 12:29 PM (I2VBa)


Eh, probably stick with .308 then, I think. Mostly for what Notorious BFD mentioned upthread, barterability. Or, knowing that any Walmart or Dunham's or Schmucko's Beer, Bait, and Bullets store is going to stock it. Plus, if you decide to get a second rifle (they get lonely), it's almost guaranteed to be available in that chambering.

There are lots of good cartridges in that sort of range, from .243 to, say, .338, but there's little that any of them do that any other couldn't if applied properly. Any one of them is going to be more accurate than I am past 100 yards anyhow.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 12:43 PM (8nWyX)

95 @63 Which gun makers are laying off (aside from Colt)?

Remington. Same problems. Maybe worse.
And, Messrs Smith, Wesson are still shaky from a huge political error, half-a-generation ago. How many times has that name changed hands now?

But just look at the list of firearm names we've "lost" over the years, even in good years. We're all spiritualists of a kind. I'm among those who invest a foolish sentimentality in the makers of my soul-artefacts. It's foolish, we all know it, and we all do it anyway. There is no force in the world, and especially in the marketplace, that can defend a fine old firm and its reputation from the advance of finance and the times. Way of The World.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2017 12:45 PM (H5rtT)

96 JTB, 92 - Nothing at all wrong with the CVA approach or with what you've done with the Renegade. My woodworking skills have also involved making some pretty pricey walnut firewood...

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 12:47 PM (/WPPJ)

97 12 ... irongrampa, Taylors firearms offers conversion cylinders for the R and S in 45 Colt. I assume they require black powder pressure levels, which is easy to load for.

Posted by: JTB at March 19, 2017 12:47 PM (V+03K)

98 Springfield has one of their "events" going on. Buy a pistol before June 30 and get 4 additional mags and some swag after a month or so wait. Liking the XD Mod 2, two tone, 4", 9mm.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at March 19, 2017 12:47 PM (QxVnu)

99 46
Miranda Lambert:

https://youtu.be/vMMTx2VIub4
Posted by: Country Singer at March 19, 2017 12:18 PM (GUBah)


Oh. My.

BRB.

Posted by: rickl at March 19, 2017 12:47 PM (sdi6R)

100 F'n media and pundits... they can find a Trump negative story in ANYTHING...

Uh... you all do realize that its CONGRESS who passes National Gun Laws?

So why is TRUMPs name on this? Why not:

With Republican House, Senate, and Presidency.... which IS MORE F"N ACCURATE!

Posted by: Don Q. at March 19, 2017 12:48 PM (NgKpN)

101 "I'm trying to decide between the P320C and the SC or some mix and match combo. Any thoughts?"

I'll throw in my thoughts. I EDC a 320C and shoot IDPA with a 32fullsize. Seeing how the SC is still the same thickness as all the other sizes, I don't see any advantage in carrying one over the C unless you're worried about grip length printing under your shirt. I actually find being able to fit your pinky finger on the grip a big advantage for the C. The C slide IMO, is also more attractive in swapping out to a $45 SC or Carry grip if you want to go that way.

One more thing - if you have a high shooting grip, the much smaller and farther forward Gen 2 slide catch arrangement is probably going to make you much happier. Ask me how I know.

Posted by: Jaws at March 19, 2017 12:49 PM (V4FnY)

102 I'd say the market is saturated.

---
it can't be...

i've still got some room in the safes.

(and we can always buy another safe)



Posted by: redc1c4 at March 19, 2017 12:50 PM (XZ/Fo)

103 Can't go wrong with a Springfield XD. I love my XD9.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 19, 2017 12:50 PM (xJa6I)

104 Country Singer at March 19, 2017 12:41 PM

Patrick Stewart stars in a movie, 'Safe House' where he plays an ex CIA operative who is beginning to show signs of Alzheimer's.

The movie ends with him on the phone, and the only answer he gives to any question from the 911 dispatcher is , "yes, there is a dead woman in my kitchen."

Good movie.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 19, 2017 12:50 PM (I2VBa)

105 Skandia : Old 303 rifles/ammo were cheap at gun shows a few years ago, and probably still are now that Trump won. A fine round that will outshoot most of its users, and it might be something to consider.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 19, 2017 12:39 PM (BVEPe)


Milsurp (assuming you're talking about SMLE) is getting more and more rare and expensive. I'd also politely ask that nobody get an old piece of history full of character and bubba it up with a hacksaw or drill and tap it for a scope. MSRP on a factory new Savage with scope and all the kit is like $450, no need to permanently alter a SMLE or K11 or 1903.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 12:50 PM (8nWyX)

106 the big problem is when you run out of room for safes...

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 19, 2017 12:50 PM (XZ/Fo)

107 91 ...but who answers the 3am knock at the door with a shotgun in hand? Or goes to investigate the sound of a window breaking with a loaded shotgun? Instead, the prudent thing to do is call 911 and say, "I think someone is trying to break into my house."
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 19, 2017 12:29 PM (I2VBa)

Me.... with 45 and Saber...

Because I KNOW that when seconds are counting... the Cops average response time is over 30 minutes in my neighborhood.

Posted by: Don Q. at March 19, 2017 12:51 PM (NgKpN)

108 yo, 22LR??

Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 12:51 PM (YPJrZ)

109 Likewise, I've become enamored of the .327 Federal Mag cartridge for the wheelgun, but it obviously has the same supply and demand limitations as the 6.8.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 19, 2017 12:51 PM (Tyii7)

110 The solution is simple. Deregulate suppressors and short-barrel rifles. The surge in demand for new guns, because the shortage of gunsmiths will not allow for timely mods to existing guns, that are more socially considerate will be HUGE.

Can you imagine how popular a suppressed Trump commemorative .45 (he's the 45th president) with the suppressor integrated into it would be? Or a .45-70 (he's 70 years old) with a slick-looking suppressor can on it to minimize the report of a 400-grain hunk of lead being launched?

Posted by: Rolf at March 19, 2017 12:51 PM (p9qEc)

111 @ Skandia Recluse

Jah, much better than his role in Logan. The man can act, when he wants to and when the script is good.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 19, 2017 12:52 PM (xJa6I)

Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2017 12:52 PM (WQX/u)

113 What is the big love for the Sig 320? I know the military just went to them.

Pretty expensive

Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 12:52 PM (YPJrZ)

114 Actually, I came on here just to note that my
husband is still buying ammo as if Obama were still president. I think
we will have to evict a couple kids so we can take over their closets.

Posted by: bluebell at March 19, 2017 12:19 PM (sBOL1)


Well, eventually you may want to beef up the floor joists.

At a certain stocking level you may also want to put in blast berms too, but that is probably down the road a while.



Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2017 12:53 PM (WQX/u)

115 5.7 x 28 now at price it was 10 years ago.

Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 12:54 PM (YPJrZ)

116 My take is that every gun law on the books, with the possible to probable exception of denying posession to convicted felons, is unconstitutional.
Would love to read others take on the convicted felons part. And no, I'm not one.

Posted by: teej at March 19, 2017 12:55 PM (tnOuI)

117 Gotta agree on the XD9. Fits my hand. I am reasonably accurate with it. Favorite of my buddies once they shoot it. And mags don't cost a fortune [hear me Ruger].

Lucked out a couple of years ago on CTD. Mags at about $12. Crazy.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at March 19, 2017 12:55 PM (QxVnu)

118 Well, like I said in the ONT. When guns get cheap like this I would buy till my ass bleeds. That's exactly what I used to say to people in the 80's when the average gun store looked like a frigging armory. In a time of cheap and plenty, you horde. It kind of balances out the times where you paid stoooped money for shit when supply was low.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 12:55 PM (aMlLZ)

119 @Sam

Ergonomics are supposed to be good, dunno. I don't have a burning need for one but they seem to be accurate and reliable. Good, standard polymer pistol.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 19, 2017 12:55 PM (xJa6I)

120 GF finally wore me down yesterday and insisted I unlock the armory spare bedroom and show her what was in there.

Broke out in hives she did.

I'm not going to miss the constant snide remarks about guns/Trump/Russians/camps for gays/and pussy grabbing, etc.

Buh bye.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 19, 2017 12:55 PM (tr2D7)

121 30, not 06. Ha. What would that even look like?
---
an M-1 Carbine, of course.

like the ones over in Korea

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 19, 2017 12:56 PM (XZ/Fo)

122 Would love to read others take on the convicted felons part. And no, I'm not one.

Posted by: teej at March 19, 2017 12:55 PM (tnOuI)

I go back and forth on that one.

I think both sides of the argument make perfect sense.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 19, 2017 12:56 PM (rF0hx)

123 320's, as opposed to Sig's all-metal classic models, are basically the same price as Glock and all the other polymer service pistols.

Posted by: Jaws at March 19, 2017 12:56 PM (V4FnY)

124 5.7 x 28 now at price it was 10 years ago

Had a FN Five-seven once upon a time. Lots of fun.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 19, 2017 12:57 PM (Tyii7)

125 Had a FN Five-seven once upon a time. Lots of fun.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 19, 2017 12:57 PM (Tyii7)

That's on my "I WANT!" list....along with about 200 other guns.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 19, 2017 12:58 PM (rF0hx)

126 I have the big brother and son. 30 round magazine in a pistol is sort of outrageous.

Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 12:59 PM (YPJrZ)

127 Jaws, 101 - I'm leaning that way myself. I've shot both the FS and the C, liked both, but shot the FS slightly better. I can't find an SC to rent and don't know anyone who owns one. I have been told that the SC is not fun to shoot in comparison to the other two, though an extended baseplate might help.

So I'm looking for something small and not overly snappy - maybe the SC with a decent pinky rest or a Walther P99C AS or a Shield.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 12:59 PM (/WPPJ)

128 Can you imagine how popular a suppressed Trump commemorative .45 (he's the 45th president) with the suppressor integrated into it would be? Or a .45-70 (he's 70 years old) with a slick-looking suppressor can on it to minimize the report of a 400-grain hunk of lead being launched?

Posted by: Rolf at March 19, 2017 12:51 PM (p9qEc)

Nice. The best part is he got just enough ego to where he would think its a great idea. lol

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 12:59 PM (aMlLZ)

129 So I'm looking for something small and not overly snappy - maybe the SC with a decent pinky rest or a Walther P99C AS or a Shield.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 12:59 PM (/WPPJ)


Shield is nice. Trigger is a bit gritty but not too bad.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 19, 2017 01:00 PM (0mRoj)

130 I'm guessing that dot in front of the year didn't stand out as much as I thought it would.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 19, 2017 01:00 PM (BVEPe)

131 What is the big love for the Sig 320? I know the military just went to them.

Pretty expensive
Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 12:52 PM (YPJrZ)


they are modular, like the AR/Stoner design.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2017 01:00 PM (WQX/u)

132 Anyone have experience with the Armscor/Rock Island "Roc Ultra" in .45?

If you do, how are the original mags? Or is Wilson Combat the way to go?

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at March 19, 2017 01:01 PM (QxVnu)

133 Buh bye. Posted by: Tonypete

Good move, for everyone concerned. Best of luck to ya.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 19, 2017 01:02 PM (Tyii7)

134 120 GF finally wore me down yesterday and insisted I unlock the armory spare bedroom and show her what was in there.

Broke out in hives she did.

I'm not going to miss the constant snide remarks about guns/Trump/Russians/camps for gays/and pussy grabbing, etc.

Buh bye.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 19, 2017 12:55 PM (tr2D7)

Back in 2001, I was dating a VERY Liberal woman for a bit over a year... I mean Vegetarian Liberal (but the Sex was great)...

Well... 9/11 hit... and as I had taken early retirement from the Navy not long before, I knew I was on a short list to get recalled...

So I bought a new .45 to get the edge back...

Now, she knew I had guns... hell knew I did Competitive Historic Sword Fighting... but for some reason it was 'her or the .45'...

Well.... I like to name my primary weapons... and I named that .45 Reason ...

It sits 7 ft from me as I write this... she is 3 States Away.... LOL...

Posted by: Don Q. at March 19, 2017 01:02 PM (NgKpN)

135 Allegedly, Nork crazy man is threatening USA with nukes 'if one shot is fired'.

Cobalt-60 nukes? I mean if you're gonna do it, and make the enemy pay, why not go all the way?

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 19, 2017 01:02 PM (ZFUt7)

136 That's why I was asking CBD. I do the same thing.

Posted by: teej at March 19, 2017 01:03 PM (tnOuI)

137
Shield is nice. Trigger is a bit gritty but not too bad.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 19, 2017 01:00 PM (0mRoj)

Add my vote for a shield. Mine is 9mm and tucks away nicely in an iwb holster. Trigger isn't horrible for what is purely a social gun.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 19, 2017 01:03 PM (BVEPe)

138 You can get Apex triggers for the Shield, right?

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 01:04 PM (/WPPJ)

139 Ah, yes. Don't "need" another, but if the prices fall significantly, it's time to start looking at the small 1911 Kimbers again, and maybe a full size M1A to keep my SOCOM16 company. It's like a fiend with his dope or a drunkard his wine.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 19, 2017 01:04 PM (IJX6l)

140 Allegedly, Nork crazy man is threatening USA with nukes 'if one shot is fired'.



Cobalt-60 nukes? I mean if you're gonna do it, and make the enemy pay, why not go all the way?
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 19, 2017 01:02 PM (ZFUt7)


I'm more worried about chemical weapons fired against Seoul.

However, I suspect the South Koreans will not leave one stone standing on top of another in that case.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2017 01:05 PM (WQX/u)

141 One of the reasons I first took a serious look at Trump was when I learned he had a concealed carry permit.

I figured, he isn't going to be "just talk" on guns if he himself carries.

And getting a CCP in NYC-almost impossible. Wonder what he carried? (I doubt he's allowed to now.)

Off to Bing...

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 19, 2017 01:05 PM (ul9CR)

142 Caught me a bit by surprise.
I bought Ruger stock before Obama was elected.
Held it all during Obama.
Should have sold it last September or so...

Posted by: navybrat at March 19, 2017 01:06 PM (w7KSn)

143
11 CBD - I'm trying to decide between the P320C and the SC or some mix and match combo. Any thoughts?

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 12:02 PM (/WPPJ)








The question isn't "either/or" but "first/second".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 19, 2017 01:07 PM (cuZZW)

144 The Five-seven took some getting used to, in terms of becoming proficient. At least for me it did. Ergonomics were a bit weird and the muzzle blast is a sight to behold! Mine had a tendency to shoot a bit high but a little grip/stance adjustment cured that pretty quickly.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 19, 2017 01:07 PM (Tyii7)

145 @127 - It's tough for any doublestack to compete wth a Shield in terms of ease of carry. Shields and their mags are running a lot cheaper these days as well.

Posted by: Jaws at March 19, 2017 01:08 PM (V4FnY)

146 Shot the AT and my DancE MandP 0.40 at the range yesterday. Best catharsis money can buy.

Posted by: Pep at March 19, 2017 01:09 PM (LAe3v)

147 Doubt he's allowed now?
Ummm...

Posted by: teej at March 19, 2017 01:09 PM (tnOuI)

148 my new Holy Grail (and the money to buy it) is a Dan Wesson 7460, chambered for 45ACP/460 Roweland/45 Win Mag...

because we don't have one.

also, one of these flavors...

https://www.460rowland.com/product-category/conversions/

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 19, 2017 01:10 PM (XZ/Fo)

149 err..... AR and S and W

Posted by: Pep at March 19, 2017 01:10 PM (LAe3v)

150 OK, Trump doesn't like to get into specifics of his personal guns (I don't blame him one bit), of which he owns several. But in a Washington Times interview, Mr. Trump did admit to owning a Smith and Wesson 38 Special.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 19, 2017 01:10 PM (ul9CR)

151 144
The Five-seven took some getting used to, in terms of becoming
proficient. At least for me it did. Ergonomics were a bit weird and the
muzzle blast is a sight to behold! Mine had a tendency to shoot a bit
high but a little grip/stance adjustment cured that pretty quickly.


Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 19, 2017 01:07 PM (Tyii7)

When I bring out my 57 with the 30 round mag, folks sort of shit. Then I get out the FS90 with the 50 round mag.
Who's your daddy?

Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 01:10 PM (YPJrZ)

152 @139 I see what you did there, deplorable SOB.

A man must have lust for the lure of ...
A Nine?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2017 01:10 PM (H5rtT)

153 I have been told there are two routes to getting a CCP in New York NY. One is an incredibly convoluted and expensive procecure, and at any point if you fail to comply with one of the requirements you have to go back to the beginning and start again.

I am told the other route is to get signed written permission from the police commissioner's office on office stationary.

If this is true it makes me so mad i could spit.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2017 01:11 PM (WQX/u)

154 138 You can get Apex triggers for the Shield, right?
Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 01:04 PM (/WPPJ)

I believe so. I'm just too dick broke to get one.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 19, 2017 01:11 PM (0mRoj)

155 I'm not going to miss the constant snide remarks about guns/Trump/Russians/camps for gays/and pussy grabbing, etc.
Buh bye.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 19, 2017 12:55 PM (tr2D7)

Hahahaha....good for you Tony! Let the door knob hit her where the good Lord split her.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 19, 2017 01:12 PM (5VlCp)

156
127 Jaws, 101 - I'm leaning that way myself. I've shot both the FS and the C, liked both, but shot the FS slightly better. I can't find an SC to rent and don't know anyone who owns one. I have been told that the SC is not fun to shoot in comparison to the other two, though an extended baseplate might help.

So I'm looking for something small and not overly snappy - maybe the SC with a decent pinky rest or a Walther P99C AS or a Shield.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 12:59 PM (/WPPJ)






My carry gun is a Kahr CW9, which is a surprisingly soft-shooting singlestack 9mm, considering the size/weight. Conceals well with a Crossbreed MiniTuck IWB holster.

The only bad point is the 200 round break-in period, and yes, you MUST abide by that if you expect to depend on it. But the DAO trigger is like sweet buttah, probably the best stock DA trigger you can get outside of a custom shop gun.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 19, 2017 01:12 PM (cuZZW)

157 Then I get out the FS90 with the 50 round mag. Who's your daddy?

lol

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 19, 2017 01:12 PM (Tyii7)

158 I am liking the gun thread, but has anyone even thought about a March Madness thread?



Fck all these games starting late. I want to hang around in the afternoon, get fcked up and nap after dinner.

Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 01:12 PM (YPJrZ)

159 My BiL has a MP compact and likes almost everything about it, but the takedown drives him nuts. Instead of the usual 180 degree switch to take off the slide, it's got this fiddly little bit inside the top of the magazine well that you have to trip. Be sure to field strip anything in the store before you buy it.

Granted, this still wouldn't keep me from buying a Ruger MKII even with its hilarious Rube Goldberg takedown, but still...

Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 01:13 PM (8nWyX)

160 I don't buy new guns, and prefer to get old orphans. The last purchase I made was an FEG P9R, http://tinyurl.com/k89ls4l
Which is like the "early production" one in the link.

I'd worried that it would be hard to get magazines but Sarco got in a bunch of the 10 rd compliant factory ones at a cheap price and I picked up enough to have spares.

Posted by: geoffb5 at March 19, 2017 01:13 PM (d3wbb)

161 @ 152: My gun safe is dark as a dungeon. Heh.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 19, 2017 01:14 PM (IJX6l)

162 The only bad point is the 200 round break-in period, and yes, you MUST abide by that if you expect to depend on it.

+1

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 19, 2017 01:14 PM (Tyii7)

163 Who's going to tell the President of the United States that he's not "allowed" to carry?

I hope he is carrying.

Posted by: rickl at March 19, 2017 01:14 PM (sdi6R)

164 141 One of the reasons I first took a serious look at Trump was when I learned he had a concealed carry permit.

I figured, he isn't going to be "just talk" on guns if he himself carries.

And getting a CCP in NYC-almost impossible. Wonder what he carried? (I doubt he's allowed to now.)

Off to Bing...
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 19, 2017 01:05 PM (ul9CR)

Almost all the NYC celebrities have a CCP . Even Howard Stern.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 19, 2017 01:16 PM (IDPbH)

165 @163

No way the SS would let him carry. He might get pissed an shot Nancy.

Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 01:16 PM (YPJrZ)

166
Granted, this still wouldn't keep me from buying a Ruger MKII even with its hilarious Rube Goldberg takedown, but still...

Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 01:13 PM (8nWyX)





Get the takedown mod kit from Majestic Arms. Easy to swap into the gun, and makes basic cleaning a WHOLE lot easier.

http://majesticarms.com/id10.html

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 19, 2017 01:17 PM (cuZZW)

167 I actually have the C and SC grip modules already. Gateway drug stuff... The medium SC module has a Pic rail but it's too short to mount much of anything, except maybe a smaller Streamlight. And if I put the C slide on an SC grip, there's a small gap at the front of the dust cover that I would need to fill by reshaping the front end. So much for modularity.

The other thing is, why to I need a 320FS when I have a SIGPro 2022? And I see the SC might fit in my 239 holster. Hmm.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 01:17 PM (/WPPJ)

168 Mr. Trump did admit to owning a Smith and Wesson 38 Special.

Certainly nothing wrong with that. I guess I would expect something with a little bit more of the "yuge factor" from PDT. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 19, 2017 01:19 PM (Tyii7)

169 Quality AR's are at the same price point handguns now. Me likely.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 19, 2017 01:19 PM (IDPbH)

170 The Shield and Glock 43 are both solid, if you need a very small single stack 9mm.

Or if you're really broke, get a Makarov.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 19, 2017 01:20 PM (xJa6I)

171 I'm not going to miss the constant snide remarks about guns/Trump/Russians/camps for gays/and pussy grabbing, etc.
Buh bye.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 19, 2017 12:55 PM (tr2D7)


You see? Now that's what a man card carved in granite looks like.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 01:20 PM (aMlLZ)

172 @163 Hope, schmope. I'm convinced.

President Reagan never took off his suit coat in the Oval Office, out of respect for its history.
President Donald Effin Trump doesn't take his off, because he's wearing an M7 shoulder holster. It's yuge and luxurious.
And those handles are ivory.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2017 01:20 PM (H5rtT)

173 Watched the morning talk shows, first time in a long time.



Jake Trapper has turned into a total dickhead. These folks have no idea how badly Trump is trolling them.



Well, they probably do, and can't do anything about it.



FUCK YOU PEOPLE.

Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 01:20 PM (YPJrZ)

174 168 Mr. Trump did admit to owning a Smith and Wesson 38 Special.

Certainly nothing wrong with that. I guess I would expect something with a little bit more of the "yuge factor" from PDT. Heh.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 19, 2017 01:19 PM (Tyii7)


A .44 Magnum. The yugest handgun in the world.

Now, do you feel lucky, punk?

Posted by: rickl at March 19, 2017 01:21 PM (sdi6R)

175 The new Ruger MK IV has apparently reengineered the takedown so that a regular human being can actually reassemble it. May trade in the MK III.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 19, 2017 01:21 PM (IJX6l)

176 Hmm. If prices are coming down, I may finally take the plunge into buying and learning to use one of these fine devices later this year. (Gotta wait for the funds to come through, after all...)

Posted by: Brother Cavil, deplorably Brave at March 19, 2017 01:21 PM (66CWr)

177 I mentioned yesterday I shot a few hot .357 rounds from my Ruger SP101. I had forgoten how powerful a .357 round actually is. Had a nice barrel flame on a couple of shots.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 19, 2017 01:21 PM (fqERy)

178 Get the takedown mod kit from Majestic Arms. Easy to swap into the gun, and makes basic cleaning a WHOLE lot easier.

http://majesticarms.com/id10.html

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 19, 2017 01:17 PM (cuZZW)


Once you get the hang of it, it's not too difficult, really. It's just the first few times, because it's not intuitive at all and at some point you end up with a pistol grip that looks like it has a Swiss army knife sticking out of the grip and a barrel/bolt that won't go back together.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 01:21 PM (8nWyX)

179 F auto bitch. Likey = Likely

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 19, 2017 01:21 PM (IDPbH)

180 Certainly nothing wrong with that. I guess I would expect something with a little bit more of the "yuge factor" from PDT. Heh.

Heh. But that's only one of his. Bet he does have somethin' yuger.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 19, 2017 01:22 PM (ul9CR)

181 168
Mr. Trump did admit to owning a Smith and Wesson 38 Special.




I have two air weight body guards, one in TI and the other in steel. Both with concealed trigger. I like the steel because you can actually cock the gun.


Not to be shot often, it will beat you up.

Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 01:23 PM (YPJrZ)

182 I'm sort of leaning toward the Shield. Since I shoot it reasonably ( for me, anyway) well and the little yellow lever for takedown doesn't bother me that much.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 01:23 PM (/WPPJ)

183 @Van Owen

Yep, dead simple takedown. I'm thinking of buying one too, once I make space.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 19, 2017 01:24 PM (xJa6I)

184 President Donald Effin Trump doesn't take his off, because he's wearing an M7 shoulder holster. It's yuge and luxurious.
And those handles are ivory.
Posted by: Stringer Davis


Wouldn't it be a hoot if some whackjob got past the crappy Secret Service guards, only to fall to The Donald himself?

Other than resulting in the annihilation of the useless protective detail, of course. To be replaced by those contractors he should have hired months ago...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, deplorably Brave at March 19, 2017 01:24 PM (66CWr)

185 I mentioned yesterday I shot a few hot .357 rounds from my Ruger SP101.


My sister carried a .357 snub nosed revolver when she worked for Department of Corrections. I was stunned at the size of those cartridges. My little sister!

The convicts were afraid of her.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 19, 2017 01:24 PM (I2VBa)

186 41 ... I got one of those Ruger 10/22 take down a few months ago. You can trick it out if you want but it has been VERY accurate right out of the box. Not sure anything, except maybe a better trigger, would make much difference.

Of course 'need' doesn't have much meaning with 10/22s. :-)

Posted by: JTB at March 19, 2017 01:25 PM (V+03K)

187 Wouldn't it be a hoot if some whackjob got past the crappy Secret Service guards, only to fall to The Donald himself?


That would be the awesomest thing ever.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 19, 2017 01:25 PM (ul9CR)

188
164 141 One of the reasons I first took a serious look at Trump was when I learned he had a concealed carry permit.

I figured, he isn't going to be "just talk" on guns if he himself carries.

And getting a CCP in NYC-almost impossible. Wonder what he carried? (I doubt he's allowed to now.)

Off to Bing...
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 19, 2017 01:05 PM (ul9CR)

Almost all the NYC celebrities have a CCP . Even Howard Stern.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 19, 2017 01:16 PM (IDPbH)






This.

It's one of the unspoken truths about CCW laws. In lefty areas with unconstitutional gun laws, it's actually quite easy for celebrities and rich folks to get a license. Just a quick phone call with "do you know who I am?", and a hefty donation to the Sheriff's re-election campaign fund.

Or an appointment as a reserve police officer (how many times have you seen news stories about celebrities being appointed as an RPO?)

Or as in some SoCal counties, being on the Sheriff's Office Air Auxiliary roster (a favored method in Santa Barbara County, where around 60-70% of CCW holders are on the roster. Good luck getting a CCW otherwise). Having a pilot's license and also owning a plane is something exclusively for the rich.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 19, 2017 01:25 PM (cuZZW)

189 168 Mr. Trump did admit to owning a Smith and Wesson 38 Special.
++++

Obama has a Super-Soaker. We know that. There's a picture of him running around a swimming pool with it.

Posted by: washrivergal at March 19, 2017 01:25 PM (Ivjge)

190 Looks like by Big Blue is getting it's ass kicked by UL

Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 01:26 PM (YPJrZ)

191 185
My little sister...
Yep. Mine has the 2.25 barrel. Not for the faint of heart.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 19, 2017 01:26 PM (fqERy)

192 Sure, Trump obviously pulled some strings to get a CCP.

But the point is, he carries. And a guy who carries can be trusted on 2A a whole lot more than one who doesn't, IMHO.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 19, 2017 01:27 PM (ul9CR)

193 "Mr. Trump did admit to owning a Smith and Wesson 38 Special"

As I recall, Reagan carried a thirty-two. For decades.

It was what the local L.A. cops had recommended to him back when the Communists were trying to take over the Screen Actors' Guild. Wherein RR as the Guild's chief was a widely advertised target for direct action and getting regular threats.

Good thing Reagan never had to use it. Even though it really was bona-fide police issue to detectives and the like in that era. Just not enough gun.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 19, 2017 01:27 PM (noWW6)

194 The only bad point is the 200 round break-in period, and yes, you MUST abide by that if you expect to depend on it.
---
i fail to see the problem: what's wrong/bothersome about putting 200 rounds* through a new firearm?

(*except, of course, if it's a AR-30A1 in 338 Lapua, which we have yet to take to the range, as we haven't accumulated 200 rounds of "break -in" ammo, or a scope, for it)

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 19, 2017 01:27 PM (XZ/Fo)

195 Obama has a Super-Soaker.

And an arbor-piercing umbrella.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 19, 2017 01:28 PM (Tyii7)

196 Certainly nothing wrong with that. I guess I would expect something with a little bit more of the "yuge factor" from PDT. Heh.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 19, 2017 01:19 PM (Tyii7)


A little 5-shot SandW Airweight fits under just about anything and is a comfort when things look a bit tense, and has enough punch to be useful.
They are rounded and won't jam on clothes if you have to pull it out from under a jacket and shirt, and won't dig into your side like a firebrick on your waist band when you are settled into a luxury sports car that embraces you in the tooled Italian leather seats.

All hyperbole aside, the SW pocket guns are decent "point-and-click" pistols that are about as fool proof as they get. My complaint is that the are small for my hands for casual shooting, which is kind of the point.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2017 01:28 PM (WQX/u)

197 Didn't we see some pics of Dubya with a rifle at the ranch in Crawford? Seems to me there were some.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 19, 2017 01:28 PM (ul9CR)

198 I mentioned yesterday I shot a few hot .357 rounds from my Ruger SP101. I had forgoten how powerful a .357 round actually is. Had a nice barrel flame on a couple of shots.


Posted by: Under Fire at March 19, 2017 01:21 PM (fqERy)

I haven't shot mine in years, but yeah the .357 is a bad boy.

I used to have a .44 auto mag. You had to make you're own bullets using cut down .308 brass. Talk about muzzle blast, that thing was frigging insane. I should have kept that damn thing. It was bad ass. It took too damn long to make ammo.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 01:28 PM (aMlLZ)

199 A .38 special? I heard the Trump helicopter has a 20mm mini gun and a couple of hellfires.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 19, 2017 01:29 PM (kTF2Z)

200 I guess I would expect something with a little bit more of the "yuge factor" from PDT.
http://tinyurl.com/n56lv7z

"Be a sport, m'Lord. Take 'im on the up-swing." -Jeeves

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2017 01:29 PM (H5rtT)

201 Just consider Obama's eight years in office as an extended "Cash for Clunkers" for guns. Of course there was going to be a drop-off in sales afterwards.

Posted by: Socratease at March 19, 2017 01:29 PM (2GbWn)

202

For those who need more in a gun ... more power, more objective destructive power, more basic intimidation ...

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/a-wannabe-supervillian-built-his-own-thermite-cannon-1768222285


The inventor does seem to be a bit Anakin-Skywalker-ish ...

Posted by: Arbalest at March 19, 2017 01:31 PM (FlRtG)

203 I said this last night in the the ONT (but it's more appropriate here:

After Trump won the nomination I figured HRC was a shoe in, so I went out and bought a stripped lower. ($45+$20 transfer fee.)

I had always wanted to assemble an AR-15 but was waiting until it was more affordable. After that I figured I couldn't afford to wait any more.
I was of course wrong, but on the flip side I now have the completed lower and am shopping for upper parts.

I'm looking at 16 inch .223 Wylde barrel (right now I like the Odin Works stuff, but I'm open to alternate suggestions. Daniel Defense stuff is just too spendy for me.) Carbine or mid-lenght gas system, whatever I can find on sale.
Floating hand guard primarily for aesthetic reasons. Probably get some tech sights until I can afford a nicer red dot optic.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at March 19, 2017 01:32 PM (dzmBR)

204 "My sister carried a .357 snub nosed revolver when she worked for Department of Corrections."

I read that a .357 with a 3" barrel was the shizzle for all kinds of feds before polymer guns took over. I've looked at them--they'd make great truck guns.

Speaking of snubs, I read somewhere--GunsAmerica, maybe--that our spooks use a 9mm snub with moon clips as their go-to now. The article said they file down the hammer, but don't remove it entirely.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at March 19, 2017 01:32 PM (97XyN)

205 @197 During the bullshit-fest of Jon Kary claiming he still had the AK he'd taken from the VC, Bush answered the question matter-of-factly.

Weatherby Athena, 16-gauge. For quail.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2017 01:32 PM (H5rtT)

206 Skookum - you must be joking. If I hear breaking glass at 3am, it's .45 and 130 lumen flashlight time. My darling can call 911, or if I'm alone, I'll call after I deal with whatever broke my window. It's a dozen steps to the 870 with 8 rounds of #4 buck / slugs, if there's time. You may have heard "when seconds count, the cops are minutes away", and it's still true. If you're not willing to take an active role in your own defense, may God help you.

Meanwhile, my favorite gun quote over the last 8 years:

There are 175,000,000 legal gun owners in the US.
We own, legally, billions of rounds of ammunition.
If we were the problem, you'd fucking well know it.

Posted by: Cowboyneal at March 19, 2017 01:33 PM (NSG6X)

207 I use to illegally carry a 32 PPK in NYC when I had an Apt up there.



Young and stupid. Saved my ass a couple of times when I was downtown in a rough bar.



People with a Southern Accent that tell you they are carrying, usually get some respect. Never had to use it, but it was a clean gun, so I could ditch it if I had too.



Thugs know something is up when you don't take any shit off them at 3 AM on the uptown R train.

Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 01:34 PM (YPJrZ)

208 For quail.

Luckily not for Quayle.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 19, 2017 01:34 PM (ul9CR)

209 the SW pocket guns are decent "point-and-click" pistols that are about as fool proof as they get

I would be foolish to argue otherwise. I like the Hornady Critical Duty for the .38.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 19, 2017 01:34 PM (Tyii7)

210 That's not a super villain. That's COLIN!

He built a pulse-jet go-kart once.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2017 01:34 PM (WQX/u)

211 @ tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist

I like Bravo Company and Magpul. Can't go wrong with either kit.

For cheap, look at Palmetto State's website.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 19, 2017 01:34 PM (xJa6I)

212
194 The only bad point is the 200 round break-in period, and yes, you MUST abide by that if you expect to depend on it.
---
i fail to see the problem: what's wrong/bothersome about putting 200 rounds* through a new firearm?

(*except, of course, if it's a AR-30A1 in 338 Lapua, which we have yet to take to the range, as we haven't accumulated 200 rounds of "break -in" ammo, or a scope, for it)

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 19, 2017 01:27 PM (XZ/Fo)






True. No CCW weapon should be trusted before putting several hundred rounds downrange with acceptable reliability. It's just that there's a question of whether a gun should be put on the market with the manufacturer saying that you can't depend on it until after 200 rounds.

One other thing with the CW9, you definitely need to pick your defensive ammo carefully. It's somewhat sensitive there. My usual Speer Gold Dot defensive ammo I keep for my other 9mms absolutely sucked in the CW9. The bullet profile caused constant stoppages. But when I tried out the newer Hornady Critical Duty ammo, it fed that stuff slicker than snot.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 19, 2017 01:35 PM (cuZZW)

213 if you want a semi-auto in 357 mag, get one of these babies!

http://www.coonaninc.com/product/357-magnum-classic/

we got ours in just before they became illegal here in #Failifornia

bastards.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 19, 2017 01:36 PM (XZ/Fo)

214 I'm still buying bulk ammo, but my gun purchases are on hold unless something really special comes out.

Posted by: Great Reagan's Deplorable Ghost at March 19, 2017 01:36 PM (DeU1P)

215 The only time I scared the shit out of myself was coming home one night, I wore a shoulder holster, and the damn gun was chocked when I took it off.



How the fuck did I do that?

Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 01:36 PM (YPJrZ)

216 Cowboyneal, 206 - nope, must have mixed up with some other pister. I've got a Surefire X300U on the nightstand gun.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 01:36 PM (/WPPJ)

217 Poster. Or pister.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 01:37 PM (/WPPJ)

218 202

For those who need more in a gun ... more power, more objective destructive power, more basic intimidation ...

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/a-wannabe-supervillian-built-his-own-thermite-cannon-1768222285


The inventor does seem to be a bit Anakin-Skywalker-ish ...
Posted by: Arbalest at March 19, 2017 01:31 PM (FlRtG)

Colin Furze definitely a maniacal genius/mad scientist type.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 19, 2017 01:38 PM (0mRoj)

219 But, yes - always have something adequate within reach.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 01:38 PM (/WPPJ)

220 I lurve a good gun thread.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 19, 2017 01:39 PM (Tyii7)

221 @187 That would be the awesomest thing ever.

PDT would have a .32 that would somehow blast the offender back through the exterior wall. And then he would blow the gunsmoke off the muzzle, like Tom Mix. Double backward twirl, and back in the jacket holster slick as you please.

"Now. Where were we?"
"Angela?"

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2017 01:39 PM (H5rtT)

222 True. No CCW weapon should be trusted before putting several hundred
rounds downrange with acceptable reliability. It's just that there's a
question of whether a gun should be put on the market with the
manufacturer saying that you can't depend on it until after 200 rounds.




Good advice, BUT have lots of guns that will only be shot when I have to kill someone.



I am not pulling out a weapon unless that is the option and I am not going to be shooting someone 10 feet away. He'll feel the barrel before he feels the bullet.

Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 01:39 PM (YPJrZ)

223 "I shot his dick off. It wasn't yuge."

Posted by: Teh Donald at March 19, 2017 01:40 PM (97XyN)

224
219 But, yes - always have something adequate within reach.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 01:38 PM (/WPPJ)







And if you don't have something adequate, ANY gun is better than harsh language and a sharpened stick.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 19, 2017 01:40 PM (cuZZW)

225 In the days before antibiotics and modern ERs, maybe a 32 made sense.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 01:40 PM (/WPPJ)

226 PDT would have a .32 that would somehow blast the
offender back through the exterior wall. And then he would blow the
gunsmoke off the muzzle, like Tom Mix. Double backward twirl, and back
in the jacket holster slick as you please.

"Now. Where were we?"
"Angela?"
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2017 01:39 PM (H5rtT)


H and R has a .32 magnum that comes stock with a ported barrel. It is supposed to be quite the little hand cannon

Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2017 01:42 PM (WQX/u)

227 PDT would have a .32 that would somehow blast the offender back through the exterior wall.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2017 01:39 PM (H5rtT)


Mauser C96 or Borchardt C-93.

Otherwise, no deal.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 01:42 PM (8nWyX)

228 Cloyd, I saw a Smith Wesson 337 with a 3" barrel and adjustable rear sight on Gunbroker last night; bids start at $600. This was the precursor to the 360. It's an Airlite Ti, with an aluminum frame (pre-scandium alloy) and a titanium 5-shot cylinder. It's rated for .38+P, and it's pretty snappy with full-house +P loads, as it only weighs 12oz. I owned a 337 with the 1-7/8" barrel and just a front sight, and it was effortless to carry but a bit much to shoot for fun. I regret giving it to a Chicago girlfriend who is long gone. The 3" barrel "kit gun" version would be the cat's pajamas as a backpack or carry gun, and the real sights offer a chance for real accuracy. It's the big brother of the 317 .22lr 3" kit gun I carry while walking the dog. I'd buy it if I could...

Posted by: Cowboyneal at March 19, 2017 01:42 PM (NSG6X)

229 I like to get lots of range time with any pistol I am going to depend on for social occasions. That's why I don't like to go smaller than the S&W M&P 9C. That's about as small as I can go and still shoot comfortably.

That or the Makarov, that also works well.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 19, 2017 01:43 PM (xJa6I)

230 Louisville kind of took its foot off the gas.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 19, 2017 01:43 PM (Tyii7)

231 @226 I had high hopes for those high-powered .32s as they were introduced, re-introduced, few years back. They solved most of the "carry" problems of a revolver. They do not appear to have caught on much. Their ballistics numbers are indeed "adequate."

PDT's would have rocket boolits, er sumpin. Because he's Bruce Wayne.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2017 01:44 PM (H5rtT)

232 @225

I thought Patton carried a 32, but it was a 380 along with various other weapons.



http://tinyurl.com/kdj8d8u

Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 01:45 PM (YPJrZ)

233 @231

I have two Seagate 32's. Nice little guy, but damn the SS is heavy. Only shots the silver Win 32's

Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 01:46 PM (YPJrZ)

234 And though it's not my gun of choice, a .32 in the heart and lungs will 'do' the job. Shot placement is king and if you can shoot the black out a target with a .32 or a .22, better than nothing.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 19, 2017 01:46 PM (xJa6I)

235 "He built a pulse-jet go-kart once."

The LoudMouth "free piston turbine*" setup?

* Not actually a turbine. Plans marketed to the public as such.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 19, 2017 01:48 PM (noWW6)

236 Trump is lying about our black presdent !!!! What are we going to do about this people??? You don't lie about a black presdent.... It is OK to lie about Bush and Trump, but not about a black presdent people !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at March 19, 2017 01:48 PM (WmgTn)

237 With the advent of nitro powder, except for the US and Britain, there was a move to smaller pistol cartridges. This was partially to standardize bores, like the French going to the 8mm Lebel, and partially the feeling that the pistol was a secondary arm for officers, and so only needed so much oomph and needed to be carried easily.
With the police, it used to be the pistol was secondary to the law that backed you, and in serious situation you got the lever gun or the shot gun.

In the US and Britain it was understood the pistol was something you used at close quarters and at that point you needed something that would stop some SOB that was about to shove sharpened steel between your ribs, either by shooting him or his horse.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2017 01:48 PM (WQX/u)

238
I've carried for eternity, never got in a situation where it became necessary ( mostly from avoiding such) and hope never to.

But I still target practice religiously plus do situational practice often. Should it come to it, there'll be NO hesitation to act.

The carry piece, is of course my beloved 1911A1.

Applaud it, deride it, don't care.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 19, 2017 01:48 PM (X35Yt)

239 Oops. Skookum, my bad.

I meant Skandia (Recluse).

We don't have much call for "Sk_" around here, at least at the start of a name, so I relied on memory. I should know better.

Posted by: Cowboyneal at March 19, 2017 01:49 PM (NSG6X)

240 Colin Furze definitely a maniacal genius/mad scientist type.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 19, 2017 01:38 PM (0mRoj)


yeah the first time I seen him was with his pulse jet go cart. Damn I want to build one of those.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 01:49 PM (aMlLZ)

241 I did a book for UM, nice people in Athletic Dept, the rest of the school is a little nuts.



I do like the shit out of Michigan and it's people.

Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 01:49 PM (YPJrZ)

242 My daily carry now is the G26 with an extended mag. Under wife too-- without the mag extension. I really love this gun.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 19, 2017 01:50 PM (fqERy)

243 @227 Mauser C96 or Borchardt C-93.

Gold washed, and fully engraved. FTW.

You know how sometimes, you put new tile in the bathroom and then everything else looks old, and one thing at a time you have to re-do one whole damn end of the house?

Not too long ago I got antsy, and decided just to buy guns in ways that don't send your name and address directly to some nonexistent database. So I carefully reviewed the catalogue here, left my "registered" pieces in a couple nice safe, showy safes that any good agent could find, and built a properly concealed place for the rest of them. About which I can't say any more.

It's nice. Secure, really well concealed, all done up proper. And it's over half empty. That right there is how guys end up shopping for MP5s and real Thompsons and bazookas and Boys Rifles and shit. It's just crying out.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2017 01:50 PM (H5rtT)

244 if Jim from Texas (sunk New Dawn) comes along, tell him i haven't forgotten the e-mail he sent me the other day.

i've just been busy with RL bullshit, and haven't had time to w*rk on anything fun.

speaking of which, i gotta go: brunch free firewood aren't going to tkae care of themselves.

l8r

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 19, 2017 01:51 PM (XZ/Fo)

245 The LoudMouth "free piston turbine*" setup?

* Not actually a turbine. Plans marketed to the public as such.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 19, 2017 01:48 PM (noWW6)


No, an actual pulse jet like on the V-1

It works, if you call tooling along with a mass of white hot metal at your back threatening to explode twice a second a success

Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2017 01:51 PM (WQX/u)

246 GO BLUE!

Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 01:51 PM (YPJrZ)

247 @203:
I'm looking at a pistol project for my HRC memorial stripped receiver. Soon, perhaps the thrice-damned NFA will be history (like HRC) and I can go SBR.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 19, 2017 01:51 PM (IJX6l)

248 The one gun I always wanted, but was always on the back burner... the colt single action army.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 01:52 PM (aMlLZ)

249 224
219 But, yes - always have something adequate within reach.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 01:38 PM (/WPPJ)







And if you don't have something adequate, ANY gun is better than harsh language and a sharpened stick.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 19, 2017 01:40 PM (cuZZW)

Sonic electronic ball breakers.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 19, 2017 01:57 PM (0mRoj)

250 I'm still licking my wounds from September and October. The UPS guy and I would joke about all the ORMD packages. Also I haven't noticed prices falling that much if any on either weapons or ammo.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 19, 2017 01:58 PM (cOHS7)

251 It's nice. Secure, really well concealed, all done up proper. And it's over half empty. That right there is how guys end up shopping for MP5s and real Thompsons and bazookas and Boys Rifles and shit. It's just crying out.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2017 01:50 PM (H5rtT)

------------------

Go on...

Posted by: BATF at March 19, 2017 01:58 PM (kTF2Z)

252 It's nice. Secure, really well concealed, all done up proper. And it's over half empty. That right there is how guys end up shopping for MP5s and real Thompsons and bazookas and Boys Rifles and shit. It's just crying out.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2017 01:50 PM (H5rtT)

Pessimist!

Its Half FULL!!!!

Posted by: Don Q. at March 19, 2017 02:00 PM (NgKpN)

253 Doubt he's allowed now?

Ummm...

Posted by: teej at March 19, 2017 01:09 PM (tnOuI)


With all the people trying to get over the WH fence, I would think he sure would want to carry.

Posted by: Infidel at March 19, 2017 02:00 PM (uKRys)

254 219 but yes--always have something adequate within reach.

A few years ago I started installing the Lockdown Gun Concealment Magnets. I have them all over the house now as well as in the vehicles. They are sturdy and work very well for accesabilty.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 19, 2017 02:01 PM (fqERy)

255 No, an actual pulse jet like on the V-1

It works, if you call tooling along with a mass of white hot metal at your back threatening to explode twice a second a success


Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2017 01:51 PM (WQX/u)


The cool thing about those is you can build them any size, so just about anything can have a pulse jet, from skate board to cars.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 02:01 PM (aMlLZ)

256 Stringer Davis, get the Boys in .50 Browning. Far less paperwork and the ammo is cheaper too.

https://youtu.be/9GUlyQ0Kgxg

Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2017 02:04 PM (WQX/u)

257 Ammo maker layoff:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/n35e8py

Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 19, 2017 02:04 PM (044Fx)

258 Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 19, 2017 02:04 PM (044Fx)

Heh, Market Conditions have Changed.

No kidding.

Posted by: Infidel at March 19, 2017 02:08 PM (uKRys)

259 And if you don't have something adequate, ANY gun is better than harsh language and a sharpened stick.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 19, 2017 01:40 PM (cuZZW)

One of my husband's friends sold a couch a few years ago - the day the people were supposed to come pick it up, he made a call home to his wife to tell her to make sure she got all the guns out of the cushions before the got there.
"Guns? Plural?", I asked him. I was sure either he was kidding or I had heard him wrong.
Yep. GunS. Turns out they had missed one (of FIVE they had hidden).
Said when somebody bursts in the front door, you don't have time to go hunting for your Glock.

Posted by: antisocialist at March 19, 2017 02:09 PM (W2wn0)

260 "I really, really, really don't need a 12th 9mm pistol."

-------------

Get a CZ-75 and you only need one.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 19, 2017 02:11 PM (1ouh3)

261 Michigan wins

Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 02:13 PM (YPJrZ)

262 http://sploid.gizmodo.com/a-wannabe-supervillian-built-his-own-thermite-cannon-1768222285

Seems he didn't learn anything from the old Davy Crockett nuke mortars.

Always...ALWAYS...build your weapon system so that it fires the projectile beyond its own bursting radius.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 19, 2017 02:14 PM (0tfLf)

263 Stringer Davis, get the Boys in .50 Browning. Far less paperwork and the ammo is cheaper too.

https://youtu.be/9GUlyQ0Kgxg


Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2017 02:04 PM (WQX/u)


I fired one of those back in the 80's. We were using these blue-ish colored plastic rounds because it was at an indoor range. The plastic rounds were going right through bowling pins. I don't remember what boys it was, but it was rebarreled for .50 BMG. That was wicked. The dude who owned the range was a mad man. lol

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 02:15 PM (aMlLZ)

264 Get a CZ-75 and you only need one.


Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 19, 2017 02:11 PM (1ouh3)


Oh hell yeah. I got one in 1985 or so when they were finally brought in the US. I love that thing. It was $450 back then.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 02:17 PM (aMlLZ)

265 I got a hankerin' for a CZ 83. To keep the P232 company.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 02:19 PM (/WPPJ)

266 Been using Frog Lube as a CLP lately. Pretty good stuff.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 19, 2017 02:20 PM (fqERy)

267 For those of you who are not NRA members, or do not receive American Rifleman, the March Issue had a killer article on the Browning .50 machine gun and it's development. Fortunately, the article is online:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/lh5hf7t

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 19, 2017 02:20 PM (ZO497)

268 Just tuned in to watch the final round of the AP Invitational and caught the last bit of a soccer game. It was, get this, a tie! So exciting!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 19, 2017 02:20 PM (kTF2Z)

269 My CZ 75 came in a cardboard box with an extra mag. bore brush, and a test target that was shot at from the factory. I wonder if they still include the test targets with the newer CZs? That was a nice touch I thought.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 02:22 PM (aMlLZ)

270 268
Just tuned in to watch the final round of the AP Invitational and caught
the last bit of a soccer game. It was, get this, a tie! So exciting!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 19, 2017 02:20 PM (kTF2Z)


Hey, don't be dirtying up a gun thread with soccer shit.


Posted by: Sam at March 19, 2017 02:22 PM (YPJrZ)

271 I've had my eye on the Mossberg MVP Patrol, a bolt action rifle in 7.62 with a 16.5" barrel and it comes with a scope. Anybody with any experience with these MVP rifles?

http://www.mossberg.com/product/mvp-patrol-vortex-scoped-combo-27966/

Posted by: sawhorse at March 19, 2017 02:23 PM (JIz7y)

272 248 ... Berserker, Have you looked at the Ruger (new model) Vaquero? I have one in 45 Colt. It is supposed to be very close in feel and balance to the SAA. I use mine, just for fun, with BP cartridges.

Posted by: JTB at March 19, 2017 02:23 PM (V+03K)

273 Said when somebody bursts in the front door, you don't have time to go hunting for your Glock.
Posted by: antisocialist at March 19, 2017 02:09 PM (W2wn0)

That's OK, as long as nobody gets shot in the ass at the family Christmas party...

Posted by: Caliban at March 19, 2017 02:24 PM (3GFMN)

274 Had lunch with the in-laws last week. Father-in-law says, "I've got four old rifles from my father. Thought you and your brothers-in-law might like to split them up."

I said, "Are you going home now? I'll follow you."

First case I open up is my wife's grandfather's Winchester 1894 .30-30. He took a lot of deer with that. The other cases were a .22, a break-open single shot 16-guage and a newer Winchester that was my father-in-law's. I took Grandpa's gun.

Looked up the serial number and it was manufactured in 1940. So I've got a pre-'64 Winnie with a Marble's tang peep sight. Showed my wife where her grandfather's hand wore the bluing off on the underside of the receiver. She found a picture of him in the '50s posing with the rifle and a deer. Pretty cool.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 19, 2017 02:24 PM (1ouh3)

275 Skandia: Weatherby .270. Won't kill your shoulder, high velocity, flat shooting cartridge.

Posted by: Friendo at March 19, 2017 02:26 PM (eUnhA)

276 I don't currently own any guns. I've been wanting to pick up a Sig P239 and apply for a CHL, but with two young children in the house I'm wary. I want to teach them safety but I don't feel like they're old enough to understand the responsibility...

On the other hand, my father's got a handgun and several hunting rifles and I never have a problem sending the kids to grandma and grandpa's house for a couple of days.

As prices drop I'm gonna have to really make up my mind.

Posted by: Caiwyn at March 19, 2017 02:27 PM (BRgmb)

277 "I got [a CZ-75] in 1985 or so when they were finally brought in the US. I love that thing. It was $450 back then."

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If yours has the nicely rounded trigger guard instead of the ugly hook, I'm jealous. Double that envy if it's blued (mine is some sort of dark epoxy finish).

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 19, 2017 02:27 PM (1ouh3)

278 Wanted a nice quiet critter-getter (in city limits) so when Crosman sent a 20% off coupon, I ordered a Benjamin 392.

.22 pellet, pump rifle. Nice and accurate, inexpensive and ...sshhhh... quiet. Less than the tax $tamp for a suppressor.


Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 19, 2017 02:30 PM (044Fx)

279 "Have you looked at the Ruger (new model) Vaquero?"

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I've got one in .357, 4 3/4"(?) barrel, stainless. One of my favorites.

Got another in .44 Special, blue, with a 4" tube. Unfortunately it tends to jam. I think the cylinder pin is moving forward under recoil. Have to look into a locking pin.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 19, 2017 02:32 PM (1ouh3)

280 @274 Don't get much cooler'n that.
In addition, 1940: you have one of the "rifles behind every blade of grass."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2017 02:32 PM (H5rtT)

281 YAY! A gun thread. But I have no children to sell or exchange. Oh well...

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at March 19, 2017 02:32 PM (tHwdc)

282 168 Mr. Trump did admit to owning a Smith and Wesson 38 Special.



Certainly nothing wrong with that. I guess I would expect something with a little bit more of the "yuge factor" from PDT. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 19, 2017 01:19 PM (Tyii7)



A .44 Magnum. The yugest handgun in the world.



Now, do you feel lucky, punk?


It's an .88 magnum. It shoots through schools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd-0F4v1C54

Posted by: Danny Vermin at March 19, 2017 02:33 PM (IcT7t)

283 If you are looking for a full size 9mm, I really believe the CZ75b is the best value out there. It's accurate, has enough mass to control recoil, and has been utterly reliable. Oddly enough, the grip is comfortable for MRS. JTB's small hands and my catcher mitts. We have both used it in completion.

As a bonus, the 22lr conversion kit available for it has been at least as good as a Ruger Mk II.

Posted by: JTB at March 19, 2017 02:34 PM (V+03K)

284 Quite often Dick's Sporting Goods will have .22 for 33.99 for 525 rounds. At a little over .06 cents around, it's not a bad price. However, prices have still not returned to preObama rates.

Posted by: Bill R. at March 19, 2017 02:34 PM (hGsGk)

285 Berserker, Have you looked at the Ruger (new model) Vaquero? I have one in 45 Colt. It is supposed to be very close in feel and balance to the SAA. I use mine, just for fun, with BP cartridges.

Posted by: JTB at March 19, 2017 02:23 PM (V+03K)


Nice. I'll check it out. I noticed over the years that ruger seemed to make copies of the Colt. I would like an original, but damn they are pricey

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 02:35 PM (aMlLZ)

286 260 "I really, really, really don't need a 12th 9mm pistol."

I've been very happy with by Israeli Arms Baby Eagle. Reliable, comfortable, a good fit and nice drop.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 19, 2017 02:37 PM (0tfLf)

287 Posted by: Caiwyn at March 19, 2017 02:27 PM (BRgmb

I've got 2.5 guns (the .5 being that unfinished AR-15, who's most dangerous part right now is getting your thumb smashed by the hammer or dropping it on your foot.)

I also have a 2.5 year old. They key is at this age is just keeping it away from her. We have a room in our basement that we jokingly called the "murder room" (because it's an weird closet built in the corner of an otherwise unfished basement with as single exposed light bulb in it.) All the guns go in there. Currently she can't open the door (hell, most adults have trouble with the latch, it looks like an old shed latch.) I'm going to add probably a combination lock to the door in a few years. (Mostly just because it'll be easier to put a latch on the door than try to build any other locking mechanism in.

Keep the kiddos out. When she's older I'll teach her more about it.
If we get a handgun, we're probably getting a small safe for the bedroom, we'll keep in on a shelf in the closet.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at March 19, 2017 02:39 PM (dzmBR)

288 Patrick Stewart stars in a movie, 'Safe House' where he plays an ex CIA operative who is beginning to show signs of Alzheimer's.

The movie ends with him on the phone, and the only answer he gives to any question from the 911 dispatcher is , "yes, there is a dead woman in my kitchen."

Good movie.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 19, 2017 12:50 PM (I2VBa)



Patrick Stewart may be an insufferable lefty twit, but Safe House is an interesting movie. The movie makes you wonder if Stewart's character is paranoid. *Spoiler* He's not and shadowy forces are trying to kill him.

Posted by: Retired Buckey Cop is now an engineer at March 19, 2017 02:39 PM (5Yee7)

289 North Korea needs to be turned into a nuclear dead zone. Enough of the bullshit. That country is delusional, brainwashed, and psychotic.

If we continue to kick this can down the road, we will regret it with the death of our country.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 19, 2017 02:40 PM (2qHjF)

290 Said when somebody bursts in the front door, you don't have time to go hunting for your Glock.

Posted by: antisocialist
****

So wearing a holster for the gun is too big of a problem?
If someone breaks in while you are gone, they get to go on an adult "Easter Egg" hunt. Even better, if you walk in on them, you might get murdered with your own gun.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at March 19, 2017 02:40 PM (hVdx9)

291 Anyone have an AR-10 recommendation?

Posted by: F.N.G. at March 19, 2017 02:41 PM (kiSdp)

292 CBD - I'm trying to decide between the P320C and the SC or some mix and match combo. Any thoughts?

----------------------------------------------------

I bought the Compact. The Sub-Compact was just too small for my hand. Given the P320's ease of migrating, though, you can get both and only have one "gun"

Posted by: Jeffersonian at March 19, 2017 02:42 PM (xiOrX)

293 Darn I'm late to the thread and I've got a question for the rifle folks. I'm looking for recommendations for portable tripods. My ability to hold the crosshairs steady w/o a barrel rest is teh suck.

Posted by: PaleRider at March 19, 2017 02:43 PM (Jen0I)

294 There is a nonzero probability that this thread will
turn into a dress-buying thread too. Standing between 'ettes and
fashionchat is like finding some cubs and discovering that the mama bear
is right behind you. Tread lightly.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 12:06 PM (8nWyX)

Perhaps we could make an exception for concealed carry fashion. Do any of the 'ettes have anything to share on this topic?

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at March 19, 2017 02:43 PM (tHwdc)

295 Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 19, 2017 02:24 PM (1ouh3)

That's a great story.

I was living out of state when my father passed and my mother, without telling me sold his Winchester 1894, which had belonged to HIS father.

Still haven't forgiven her for not giving me the chance to say "NO! Don't even THINK about it!"

It had the original case and cleaning kit too.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 19, 2017 02:44 PM (ul9CR)

296
If yours has the nicely rounded trigger guard instead of the ugly hook, I'm jealous. Double that envy if it's blued (mine is some sort of dark epoxy finish).


Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 19, 2017 02:27 PM (1ouh3)


It has the rounded guard, but seems to be some kind of black finish. Its a Pre-"B" CZ75. I got in 1985, basically as soon as they started coming in. I used to hear about that gun from people, and it was always yeah one day maybe we'll get them. I used to go to the gun stores every week to look around and one day poof, it was in the case. I just about shit my pants. I was about to buy the Baretta 92, and said oh hell no, give me the CZ. With the leftover money I grabbed the Taurus baretta copy, which turned out to be a nice gun too.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 02:44 PM (aMlLZ)

297 You probably know a lot more about those pistols
than I do. All I know about them is that they look great, and the
reviews have been almost uniformly glowing.

Maybe Jim (Sunk New Dawn) will poke his head in.

https://gundigest.com/concealed-carry/sig-sauer-p320c-review


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 19, 2017 12:06 PM (rF0hx)

I know he wants one, but he's mostly ONT, isn't he?

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at March 19, 2017 02:45 PM (tHwdc)

298 Another sissy girl-gun that I got for Christmas a couple years ago:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/kzxppg7

Put a quad rail on it, then forward grip and small scope. Tactical poodle shooter.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 19, 2017 02:46 PM (044Fx)

299 Quite often Dick's Sporting Goods will have .22 for 33.99 for 525 rounds. At a little over .06 cents around, it's not a bad price. However, prices have still not returned to preObama rates.
Posted by: Bill R. at March 19, 2017 02:34 PM (hGsGk)


What brand?

Every few months, Kroger will send me a coupon for their light yogurt. I'll buy some and then eat one and remember that stevia tastes like poison ass and give the rest away. A few months later, I'll get another coupon and repeat the process.

Whenever I'm shopping for .22lr, I'll look at the CCI and then notice that Remington Thunderbolt is 500 rounds for a dollar or something, forgetting that it will cycle in any of my .22s about 1/3 of the time. Yet, I will buy the Thunderbolt.

I am thoroughly incapable of learning from my mistakes.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 02:48 PM (8nWyX)

300 291
I had a Daniel Defense DD5V1 I just sold recently. Great gun. High price. I'm sticking with 5.56 as I have an assload of ammo and mags in storage.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 19, 2017 02:49 PM (fqERy)

301 I should post this again.

From the BBC - "Why Liberals Are Buying Guns"
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38297345

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 19, 2017 02:51 PM (DotZb)

302 Darn I'm late to the thread and I've got a question for the rifle folks. I'm looking for recommendations for portable tripods. My ability to hold the crosshairs steady w/o a barrel rest is teh suck.
Posted by: PaleRider at March 19, 2017 02:43 PM (Jen0I)


Standing? Prone?

Some people get pretty good results standing with just two hiking sticks crossed and held under the forearm. It's not a benchrest, but it takes some of the weight and gives you a pivot point.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 02:53 PM (8nWyX)

303 290 Said when somebody bursts in the front door, you don't have time to go hunting for your Glock.

Posted by: antisocialist
****

So wearing a holster for the gun is too big of a problem?
If someone breaks in while you are gone, they get to go on an adult "Easter Egg" hunt. Even better, if you walk in on them, you might get murdered with your own gun.

That was pretty much my thought, as well. Not to mention, if you forget about the arsenal hiding under your couch cushions and flop down on the couch like I do - oops.

Posted by: antisocialist at March 19, 2017 02:53 PM (W2wn0)

304 Anybody got an opinions on the Sig 2022? My bro bought one around 2 months ago. It seems really nice for the price. It was somewhere around $500.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 02:53 PM (aMlLZ)

305 300 291
I had a Daniel Defense DD5V1 I just sold recently. Great gun. High price. I'm sticking with 5.56 as I have an assload of ammo and mags in storage.
Posted by: Under Fire at March 19, 2017 02:49 PM (fqERy)

Thanks, I will check that out. I have a Model 99 Savage in .308 and I love that round.

Posted by: F.N.G. at March 19, 2017 02:55 PM (kiSdp)

306 304 Anybody got an opinions on the Sig 2022? My bro bought one around 2 months ago. It seems really nice for the price. It was somewhere around $500.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 02:53 PM (aMlLZ)

I have one in 9mm. I like it. I got it from CDNN Sports for somewhere around $400. I don't know if they still have it at that price though.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 19, 2017 02:57 PM (0mRoj)

307 >>>I said, "Are you going home now? I'll follow you."
I took Grandpa's gun. Pretty cool.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto

very cool indeed
never put off till tomorrow what can be done today!

Posted by: concrete girl at March 19, 2017 02:58 PM (pe9k3)

308 Hi peeps.

I need a shotgun. Preferably 12 gauge, pump action. Problem is, I don't have a lot of money to spend on one, and by that, I mean I have very little money to spend on one. Not interested in aesthetics, not worried about dings, scrapes, and rubbed off bluing.

Local offerings at the various gun shops are laughably overpriced, and/or so beat up that I question their reliability.

Any suggestions out there?

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 19, 2017 02:59 PM (bQLQX)

309 One of my older brothers has been talking about buying a home defense gun, and talking, and talking, and talking. He's spent years deciding if we wants to pull the trigger and buy one.

Countless times I'd make suggestions and directing him to places to do research or simply go to a gun store and talk to someone. Alas, he would go back to his talking about buying gun. I've had enough. Shit or get off the pot.

Posted by: Beartooth at March 19, 2017 03:00 PM (ydytp)

310 I have one in 9mm. I like it. I got it from CDNN Sports for somewhere around $400. I don't know if they still have it at that price though.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 19, 2017 02:57 PM (0mRoj)


Yeah his is 9mm too. It seemed like a nice gun for the bucks. I wanted him to get a CZ75, but had to have the Sig, but like I said, its was nice enough to where I wouldn't mind getting one.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 03:01 PM (aMlLZ)

311
267 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 19, 2017 02:20 PM (ZO497)

Thanks for the M2 article link.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 19, 2017 03:01 PM (TJx8f)

312 >>>274 Had lunch with the in-laws last week. Father-in-law says, "I've got four old rifles from my father. Thought you and your brothers-in-law might like to split them up."

What a thoughtful father-in-law. Buncha lucky guys, there.

Posted by: m at March 19, 2017 03:03 PM (3jGss)

313 Standing or sitting on the tripod/bipod. Brush is usually too thick for any thought of a prone shot. My dad has a bog pod and it OK but when he shot his bison the guide loaned dad his 'shooting sticks' which were a more stable rest. But I have forgotten the brand.

Posted by: PaleRider at March 19, 2017 03:03 PM (Jen0I)

314 Any suggestions out there?
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 19, 2017 02:59 PM (bQLQX)


I assume you're looking used?

12 gauge pump action was the first gun I ever bought. I have a soft spot for Mossbergs, the heavier cherry stock I find lovely. I got my first one used for $190 after tax at a store that dealt primarily in used guns.

A friend bought a Remington 870 express at the same time, used with 2 chokes and the original box for $170.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at March 19, 2017 03:04 PM (dzmBR)

315 @164 And getting a CCP in NYC-almost impossible. Wonder what he carried? (I doubt he's allowed to now.)
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The quip here in LA County (where permission from the Sherriff is required) is that you don't get a permit unless 1.) you're a celebrity, or 2.) make a political donation to the Sherriff's reelection campaign. And if you have to ask how much you need to donate, then you haven't donated enough.

I wouldn't be surprised if similar logic works in NYC.

Posted by: junior at March 19, 2017 03:04 PM (To4O8)

316 Anybody got an opinions on the Sig 2022? My bro bought one around 2 months ago. It seems really nice for the price. It was somewhere around $500.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 02:53 PM (aMlLZ)

Santa Claus brought me one a couple of years ago. It was my first experience with Sig.

In a word-butta.

Everyone that has fired it since I got it has tried to buy it except my brother who wants me to give it to him.

That gun made me a Sig fan boy. I've since bought myself a P239 which is also butta.

Strongly recommend.

Posted by: weirdflunky at March 19, 2017 03:05 PM (qmlhV)

317 Shotties are very affordable, generally, until you get up in to the nice broken action models with engravings and such, or the custom competition shooters. Those can eat up a bunch of dollars, but if you go on gunbroker.com you can find a bunch under $200.00

Posted by: navybrat at March 19, 2017 03:05 PM (w7KSn)

318 308 Mossberg makes a nice 12 gauge shotgun, not terribly expensive and pretty reliable. I'm not a big fan - I have an Ithaca I bought used that I love love love, and my husband swears by his Remington 870, but for a basic shotgun, Mossberg is the way to go.

Posted by: antisocialist at March 19, 2017 03:07 PM (W2wn0)

319 308
Have an old Mossberg 500 field, which you should be able to find cheaply, and converted it to a 18.5 barrel. The Mossberg barrel was $75 and it's was a plug and play changeover. The wood stocks were pretty beat up so I rattle canned the gun with some flat OD and flat brown. Looks and fires awesome.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 19, 2017 03:07 PM (fqERy)

320 Keep the kiddos out. When she's older I'll teach her more about it.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at March 19, 2017 02:39 PM (dzmBR)


If you take away the mystery, the likelihood of children accidently shooting themselves or their friends goes way down. Back when the oldest grandkid was about 6, she started talking about "Pop-Pop putting batteries in his gun" for work. I let her hold an unloaded .38 snubnose and explained to her that it was dangerous but anytime she wanted to look at one of Pop-Pop's guns all she had to do was ask me.

She is utterly uninterested in firearms but doesn't freak-out about them. Her two younger brothers have fired firearms under supervision.

Posted by: Retired Buckey Cop is now an engineer at March 19, 2017 03:08 PM (5Yee7)

321 279 ... Taro, That happened to me once with a Blackhawk. Turns out the spring loaded button that holds the spindle in place had worked loose and just needed to be tightened a little. Don't overtighten it. I check them now and then. The Vaquero has the same set up.

The newer version of the Vaquero is close to the Colt SAA in size and balance. The original Vaquero was just a fixed sight Blackhawk, which is much bigger. The Vaquero does use coiled springs instead of Colt's flat mainspring. It isn't historically correct but those coil springs are completely reliable. I've put heaven only knows how many rounds through Ruger single actions and never had a problem with a spring breaking.

There's a story, I believe it's true, that when Ruger first marketed the Blackhawk, Bill Ruger devised a machine that would cock and dry fire a revolver every few seconds. This went on for days. Eventually, it happened: the firing machine broke down. The revolver was just fine. I hope that is true; I always found it amusing.

Posted by: JTB at March 19, 2017 03:08 PM (V+03K)

322 The cheapest bad ass shotgun I ever got was an Ithaca model 37. The local store had a bunch that the local cops traded in. They were selling them for $137. Suckers are all steel too. No clue what they go for these days.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 03:09 PM (aMlLZ)

323 Cheap ass shotguns? You can get a brand new, serviceable 12 gauge pump at CDNN Sports or Classic Firearms for $200 or less. I saw a Weatherby 12 ga pump at CDNN for $199.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 19, 2017 03:11 PM (0mRoj)

324
I screwed up a few years ago and bought a bunch of 9mm +P+ ammo. I'm leary of using it in the M92.

Can I shoot it from a .38 Special or .357 Mag revolver?

Posted by: Spun and Murky at March 19, 2017 03:12 PM (4DCSq)

325 Thanks, JTB! I'll try that!

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 19, 2017 03:13 PM (1ouh3)

326 #324 - No. Absolutely not. Wouldn't chamber anyway. Probably fall right through the cylinder.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 19, 2017 03:15 PM (1ouh3)

327 Sticky Wicket, if you can't find what you want used, you might look at a Maverick 88. It's a cheaper version of the Mossberg 500. You can catch them on sale sometimes for $199.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at March 19, 2017 03:15 PM (97XyN)

328 Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 19, 2017 02:59 PM (bQLQX)

If money is a big concern New England firearms makes an 870 clone for around $170, but I'd imagine you could find them for $150 or less on sale.

I like Remington and Mossbergs, but $100 differences can be game changers for people who just want a gun that will go boom when it needs to.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 19, 2017 03:16 PM (BVEPe)

329 I haven't been into guns in years and years, but damn if they don't make some cool shit these days. My brother bought some wicked tactical looking Mossberg shotgun. It wasn't that cheap, but damn its nice.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 03:16 PM (aMlLZ)

330 Just reading along here.

Posted by: Skip at March 19, 2017 03:17 PM (GPaiX)

331 The way I look at it, it's time to start investing in backup firearms.

Unless you have had a terrible boating accident and you're still working on your bare bones portfolio of go-to firearms, ladies and gentlemen, it's time to consider diversifying and augmenting your skill set with backup firearms.

Posted by: Fritz at March 19, 2017 03:17 PM (ATR4h)

332 Maverick 88s and Mossberg shotguns can be found at Wal-Marts that sell guns. Not all Wal-Marts sell guns due to factors such as lack of sales or employees with sticky fingers.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 19, 2017 03:17 PM (DotZb)

333 $199 for new...I looked at a very old used break action single shot 12 gauge with pitted barrel, which I couldn't get to even reliably lock in the closed position for 175. Maybe it was a collector's item, or an antique...but that was the cheapest.

I'll check this gunbroker web site. I'm tired of digging around locally, and coming up with crap.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 19, 2017 03:18 PM (bQLQX)

334 To elaborate - if you had a .38 Special/.357 Magnum revolver with a 9mm conversion cylinder, you could. The 9mm cylinder would chamber the 9mm and the bore size difference is only .003 (.354 for 9mm, .357 for .3 so the bullet would pass just fine. But a .357/.38 cylinder won't chamber a 9mm.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 19, 2017 03:18 PM (1ouh3)

335 #301
Anna, I just rolled my eyes at that article. While I am sure some of them are buying guns, they are not doing so in large numbers like the story claims.
In fact, according to the timing of the purchases many people buying guns were like me- celebrating Trump's win. Yet we suddenly became leftists.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at March 19, 2017 03:19 PM (hVdx9)

336 (Stupid smileys)

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 19, 2017 03:19 PM (1ouh3)

337 @301 I should post this again.

From the BBC - "Why Liberals Are Buying Guns"
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38297345
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That, of course, should always be followed by Larry Correia's 'A Handy Guide for Liberals Who Are Suddenly Interested in Gun Ownership'.

http://tinyurl.com/z53vc8q


Posted by: junior at March 19, 2017 03:22 PM (To4O8)

338 Wow, the sub-200 Mavericks at Dicks are interesting. $250 Savage, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 19, 2017 03:23 PM (BVEPe)

339 I'll check this gunbroker web site. I'm tired of digging around locally, and coming up with crap.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 19, 2017 03:18 PM (bQLQX)


Remember to tack on $50 to cover the FFL transfer fee if you buy something from out of state. It may be less or more, but you'll need to find an in-state FFL who will receive the gun from the dealer and run the NICS check. They'll charge a fee for the service.

In addition to Walmart, check sporting goods and hardware stores, not just gun shops. Guns are like guitars, when buying from an owner or at a gun show, they sometimes have a very optimistic idea of the value and will ask for an AYFKM price. At e.g. Dunham's Sports, the kid behind the counter has no emotional investment, just the keys to the case and the number for the NICS check.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 03:25 PM (8nWyX)

340 >>>>Now that Trump is in office will be getting ll those surplus M1 Garands from overseas that Obama was blocking?
.
.
.South Korea has those M1 Garands and a bunch of M1 Carbines they want to send back. Not sure if Trump even knows about that deal yet.

I have a Garand and an M1 Carbine but I want another.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 19, 2017 03:25 PM (le7jz)

341 322: berserker, i had a 37. best damn shotgun i ever owned. never should have sold it. yeah, i'm a dumbass.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 19, 2017 03:26 PM (KP5rU)

342 Tilikum, I just wanted to amuse the Horde.

Junior, heh. D

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 19, 2017 03:28 PM (DotZb)

343
#324

Check with a gunsmith. As previously posted, 9mm rounds will not chamber properly in the cylinder of a .38/.357 revolver, as 9mm rounds are rimless (might slide through the cylinder).

However, moon clips (thin steel sheets that clip around the base of 9mm and other rimless cartridges) are a potential solution. See the S&W 625 Jerry Miculek Revolver in .45 ACP (and read all of the description) for example.

However, they will likely interfere with the cylinder fitting back into the revolver frame, or the cylinder rotating.

A gunsmith can advise you, and determine if any machining is necessary.

It's probably cheaper, and generally a very much better idea to simply buy another pistol already chambered for 9mm+P+.

Posted by: Arbalest at March 19, 2017 03:30 PM (FlRtG)

344 The new 37s are pricey - $750 or so. Got an old one in 16 gauge. Sweet.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 03:36 PM (GD9pS)

345 Guns are like guitars, when buying from an owner or at a gun show, they sometimes have a very optimistic idea of the value and will ask for an AYFKM price.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 03:25 PM (8nWyX)


Yeah I know that deal, some people are extra "proud" of their guitars. Its one thing if it was rare or limited, but some people think they got the golden key to the crapper with a nothing special production run guitar.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 03:41 PM (aMlLZ)

346 To elaborate - if you had a .38 Special/.357 Magnum revolver with a 9mm conversion cylinder, you could. The 9mm cylinder would chamber the 9mm and the bore size difference is only .003 (.354 for 9mm, .357 for .3 so the bullet would pass just fine. But a .357/.38 cylinder won't chamber a 9mm.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 19, 2017 03:18 PM (1ouh3)


What does the round headspace on?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 19, 2017 03:41 PM (zc3Db)

347
Thanks Taro and Arbalast. I suspected as much.

I don't think any of my Ruger .38/.357 revolvers have convertible cylinders available.

I wonder what pistol might run the +P+ then?

Posted by: Spun and Murky at March 19, 2017 03:42 PM (4DCSq)

348 NICS data by month/year:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/mwedd2f

Even if we assume that the libs are the only ones buying guns now, well... they've got some catching up to do. Lol.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 19, 2017 03:43 PM (044Fx)

349 42: 17 guns each. at least. you must cover all the calibers of potential ammo so you will always have something when the fan gets coated..22, .223, .308, 30-06. 9mm, 380, 40, 45 and several in each

Posted by: arbitrary turn-back at March 19, 2017 03:45 PM (fJQAI)

350 : berserker, i had a 37. best damn shotgun i ever owned. never should have sold it. yeah, i'm a dumbass.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 19, 2017 03:26 PM (KP5rU)

Can always get another. lol

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 03:46 PM (aMlLZ)

351 Leftist have preached weapons are scary and verboten, its going to take a bit to change that.

Posted by: Skip at March 19, 2017 03:46 PM (GPaiX)

352 Even if we assume that the libs are the only ones buying guns now, well... they've got some catching up to do. Lol.


Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 19, 2017 03:43 PM (044Fx)

yeah about 100 years worth. lol

I doubt many libs are buying guns.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 03:48 PM (aMlLZ)

353 That BBC piece is shit. Stories of alleged offenses against this minority or that "protected" group by the usual "right-wing Trump supporters", blah blah blah. The limeys forget that the Second Amendment is there to protect the rights of ALL Americans, even those who aren't sure if that thing between their legs makes them male or female, or those less-melanin-challenged citizens... all of us.

Posted by: Cowboyneal at March 19, 2017 03:49 PM (NSG6X)

354 Spun and Murky:
I screwed up a few years ago and bought a bunch of 9mm +P+ ammo. I'm leary of using it in the M92.

Wikipedia (yeah, yeah) has a good article on
"overpressure ammunition" please check it out.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 19, 2017 03:49 PM (044Fx)

355 >> No. Absolutely not. Wouldn't chamber anyway. Probably fall right through the cylinder.

I know the feeling.

Posted by: Sandra Flook at March 19, 2017 03:49 PM (/Nite)

356 Just back from the re-enactor display at Jamestown, Military Through The Ages. Lots of very nice presenters, outside in the less than ideal weather. The WWII groups were well represented. The Combat Engineers had both an M1919 .30 Cal machinegun and an M2. lovely! Its fun seeing lots of folks strolling around with Thompson SMGs on their shoulders. My wife got a Bayonet-the-Hun instruction from a WWI group of soldiers. Can't beat that for your entertainment dollar.

Posted by: goatexchange at March 19, 2017 03:50 PM (bqxs4)

357 Never mind ... I guess it must be a tapered cylinder ... Doesn't sound optimal, though I guess if people use them it must be okay.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 19, 2017 03:50 PM (zc3Db)

358 The new 37s are pricey - $750 or so. Got an old one in 16 gauge. Sweet.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 19, 2017 03:36 PM (GD9pS)


Wow, no shit. That much?

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 03:51 PM (aMlLZ)

359 I think we will have to evict a couple kids so we can take over their closets.

So?

Posted by: dad29 at March 19, 2017 03:52 PM (7Kti7)

360 Food Nood

Posted by: Skip, thread sniper at March 19, 2017 03:54 PM (GPaiX)

361 ""I screwed up a few years ago and bought a bunch of 9mm +P+ ammo.""


Probably be wicked in a British STEN MKII. lol

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 03:55 PM (aMlLZ)

362
I just had to check it out in the Blackhawk.

The 9mm won't even go all the way into the cylinder. The case is wider on the 9.

Posted by: Spun and Murky at March 19, 2017 03:56 PM (4DCSq)

363 Spun and Murky-- if it's not stamped 9mm on the weapon, don't put 9mm ammo into it. Safest choice.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 19, 2017 03:58 PM (044Fx)

364
363 Spun and Murky-- if it's not stamped 9mm on the weapon, don't put 9mm ammo into it. Safest choice.

Thanks, but would never have tried it other seeing if the cartridge would even fit.

I see the new Blackhawks do come with a 9MM cylinder in addition to the .357 mag. Mine was made in the '70s.

Posted by: Spun and Murky at March 19, 2017 04:06 PM (4DCSq)

365 Posted by: Spun and Murky at March 19, 2017 04:06 PM --Whew!

Anyway, the +P+ is ridiculously overpressure, and could 'blow up' an older or worn gun.

In fact, if gun not marked for +P, I'd pass on using +P+ ammo.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 19, 2017 04:12 PM (044Fx)

366 362 ... The 357 mag. Blackhawk can come with a separate cylinder for 9mm. Ruger has a similar set up for 45 Colt and 45 acp. The 9mm cylinder has a sharp restriction in the chamber that catches the mouth of the semi-auto round and keeps it from moving forward. Never tried it with 9mm but I've put thousands of 45 acp rounds through my 45 Blackhawk.

Posted by: JTB at March 19, 2017 04:16 PM (V+03K)

367
In fact, if gun not marked for +P, I'd pass on using +P+ ammo.

Oh, maybe I can trade out that stuff some day. I did see some gun makers actually said their pistols would run it fine (Kahr K9).

Posted by: Spun and Murky at March 19, 2017 04:21 PM (4DCSq)

368 Get the takedown mod kit from Majestic Arms

Nope. I use the takedown/re-assembly as a 101-test for my chilluns. If they can't read the directions and do it right, they don't get to go to the range.

Posted by: dad29 at March 19, 2017 04:24 PM (7Kti7)

369 The cheapest bad ass shotgun I ever got was an Ithaca model 37. The local store had a bunch that the local cops traded in. They were selling them for $137. Suckers are all steel too. No clue what they go for these days.
Posted by: Berserker

A police trade in Benelli M1 Super 90 was my best shottie find, 600$.

Posted by: Jean at March 19, 2017 04:30 PM (zkaML)

370 Standing between 'ettes and fashionchat is like
finding some cubs and discovering that the mama bear is right behind
you. Tread lightly.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 12:06 PM


Is there something in the AoSHQ guidelines that says we can't discuss looking fabulous on the firing line?

<grinning, ducking and running>

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 19, 2017 04:33 PM (DMUuz)

371 Has the news of the gun industry's slowdown gotten out to the .22lr hoarders?
Posted by: Eddie Baby at March 19, 2017 12:07 PM


Everytime I've visited the local Wally World for the last month or so, they've had .22LR in stock, albeit still with a 3 box limit.

Yesterday, for the first time, they had .22 mag in stock

And yes, I've done my part with 3 boxes each time. I'm not hoarding, I'm just boarding it.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 19, 2017 04:37 PM (DMUuz)

372 The cheapest bad ass shotgun I ever got was an Ithaca model 37. The local store had a bunch that the local cops traded in. They were selling them for $137. Suckers are all steel too. No clue what they go for these days.
Posted by: Berserker

A police trade in Benelli M1 Super 90 was my best shottie find, 600$.

Posted by: Jean at March 19, 2017 04:30 PM (zkaML)


You jarred my memory. Back in the 80's I scored a pretty much mint hardly fired Spas 12 for $350. That thing was insane. I wonder if they even still make them.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2017 04:40 PM (aMlLZ)

373 Is there something in the AoSHQ guidelines that says we can't discuss looking fabulous on the firing line?


Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 19, 2017 04:33 PM (DMUuz)


It always comes back to assless chaps, doesn't it.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 05:00 PM (8nWyX)

374 Weird, the old Marlin Camp .45s are going for an astonishing price.
I have one I bought for about $350.00 back in the 1980s.
Box, manual, extra mags.

Almost triple that price now.

Posted by: navybrat at March 19, 2017 05:07 PM (w7KSn)

375 I adopted a Romanian orphan about a week ago. His name is WASR AK. Strange name for a kid, but he seems nice enough.

Posted by: PabloD at March 19, 2017 05:08 PM (7wxks)

376 Things cost money. The best things cost more money. Do you want the best thing available to defend what's valuable to you?

Posted by: Eromero at March 19, 2017 05:09 PM (zLDYs)

377 It always comes back to assless chaps, doesn't it.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 19, 2017 05:00 PM


LOL

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 19, 2017 05:15 PM (DMUuz)

378 Belt fed .22, Legal.

http://tinyurl.com/kxm67xo

Posted by: navybrat at March 19, 2017 05:32 PM (w7KSn)

379 Hipoints will run +p+

Check out the Springfield armory 308AR

Posted by: MAx at March 19, 2017 05:33 PM (/RZxG)

380
379 Hipoints will run +p+.

I have a Hipoint carbine. Hmmm.

Posted by: Spun and Murky at March 19, 2017 05:38 PM (4DCSq)

381 "No official figures are kept on US gun ownership. About 35% of American households have a firearm - down from just over half in 1978, according to recent polling"


I might have admitted to having a firearm in a survey in 1978. Now, not so much.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 19, 2017 05:40 PM (LTHVh)

382 >>>Is there something in the AoSHQ guidelines that says we can't discuss looking fabulous on the firing line?<<<

What about concealed carry with yoga pants? Photos welcome.



Posted by: Fritz at March 19, 2017 05:44 PM (ATR4h)

383 During the Obama administration, I rescued a couple of 1911's, a couple of M1 Garands and a couple of Swiss K-31's.

What can I say? When I want to find things older than I am that still function well, I have to look to firearms.

Posted by: Blake at March 19, 2017 05:48 PM (WEBkv)

384 Gun I want is still on wait list. Henry .243 Lever action with iron sights.

Posted by: pat at March 19, 2017 05:50 PM (4MSOz)

385 Check out Summit Gun Brokers online for quality LEO used riot guns at awesome prices.

Posted by: Jaws at March 19, 2017 05:53 PM (V4FnY)

386 anybody still here? I gat a question about my Mossberg 500

Posted by: Lemmiwinks and his flaming boner of winning at March 19, 2017 05:54 PM (18h+i)

387 So my Mossberg 500 wont feed the next shell in the magazine when I cycle the forearm. Anybody have this problem? Anybody know of a fix?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks and his flaming boner of winning at March 19, 2017 05:55 PM (18h+i)

388 Noticed in today's Sunday paper's ad insert that the price of AR15s has really dropped at least here in PA. Nice timing, since semi autos are finally going to be legal for hunting here.

Posted by: Cosda at March 19, 2017 06:02 PM (tHymu)

389 Gun related, a cool quick access rifle/pistol safe for in the bedroom or living room. kinda spendy but features like alerts to your phone if it is messed with look useful.

https://www.thegunbox.com/pages/the-gunbox-lineup

Posted by: Willy J. at March 19, 2017 06:14 PM (W6Ch1)

390 Recently obtained my pistol permit to compliment the long gun arsenal at the suburban bunker.
Wife in the permitting process.
Pistols are great but I do love those lever guns.
I can shoot my .357 Marlin (cowboy, JM stamp for those who care) pretty well offhand.
Recently got a 30-30 XLR (also JM) for his big brother.
Being worked on as we speak and very excited to take it to the range, and eventually out to harvest some tasty tasty venison.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 19, 2017 06:14 PM (OhTOr)

391 387
If the shell in the chamber ejects properly, remove the forward end of the magazine tube. You will discover a large spring connected to a block. Pull it out and inspect for over compression. Clean and lube the bejesus out of the mag tube and all parts including the spring assembly. Re-assemble. If still no good you can try stretching the spring ever so slightly to see if that helps.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 19, 2017 06:15 PM (fqERy)

392 391
387
If the shell in the chamber ejects properly, remove the forward
end of the magazine tube. You will discover a large spring connected to a
block. Pull it out and inspect for over compression. Clean and lube the
bejesus out of the mag tube and all parts including the spring
assembly. Re-assemble. If still no good you can try stretching the
spring ever so slightly to see if that helps.

****

Thanks, I'll try that

Posted by: Lemmiwinks and his flaming boner of winning at March 19, 2017 06:18 PM (18h+i)

393 So my Mossberg 500 wont feed the next shell in the magazine when I cycle the forearm. Anybody have this problem? Anybody know of a fix?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks and his flaming boner of winning at March 19, 2017 05:55 PM (18h+i)


Sounds like the cartridge stop, they can get bent and not retract far enough to let the shell out of the tube.

Look for a piece of metal holding the back edge of the shell. If you can watch while cycling, see if it keeps holding the shell through the cycle.

You have to remove the trigger group to fix it, or take it to a smith. Search for "Mossberg 500 cartridge stop".

Looking from the back, the cartridge stop is on the left next to and behind the feed tube.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 19, 2017 06:20 PM (wB8Tg)

394 When I want to find things older than I am that still function well, I have to look to firearms.
Posted by: Blake at March 19, 2017 05:48 PM


Shhhh. Don't say that around Vic.

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at March 19, 2017 06:23 PM (DMUuz)

395 I had a case head separation in the Tulammo 308 Friday at the range. At about the 150 round point on the FAL (about 400rds since the last cleaning). The cartridge stuck the chamber (stuck lacquer?) and the extractor torn the head right off. The impressive thing was that the gas pouring back into the receiver inflated the magazine enough that, when it ballooned, the base plate was released and mag spring and remaining cartridges shot out the bottom, along with the smoke. It was .. startling.

I had to fab a broken case tool out of a heavy duty paperclip yesterday morning and then I polished the chamber up with a brass brush on my power drill.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 19, 2017 06:24 PM (LTHVh)

396 I might have admitted to having a firearm in a survey in 1978. Now, not so much.
---
so much this... i lie to surveyors all the time.

besides, half the time, during election season, they are push polls...

i love the part when, after you tell them you're not really sure who you're going to vote for in a particular race, they run down all the usual virtue signaling supporters, you tell them that, "wow, so and so is supported by them? then i'm voting for the other guy..."

the astonishment in their voices is music to my ears.


Posted by: redc1c4 at March 19, 2017 06:26 PM (XZ/Fo)

397 I don't always have a case head separation and a stuck case, but when I do, it's a lacquered steel or bi-metal case!

- The Most Interesting Rifle In The World

I would just skip it. If you clean it and have problems with brass, *then* I would check headspace, adjust the gas system, polish the chamber and maybe check barrel timing, especially if it was a parts gun.

Oh and before barrel timing, check the gas port is clear.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 19, 2017 06:33 PM (wB8Tg)

398 I've been pretty happy with the Tulammo up until this point. Good accuracy at a plinking price. I had just turned the gas up when this happened because the ejection had seemed a bit weak.

I figure I should just clean the chamber more if I'm going to run Russian crap ammo.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 19, 2017 06:36 PM (LTHVh)

399 I gat a question about my Mossberg 500
---
wut?

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 19, 2017 06:39 PM (XZ/Fo)

400 I figure I should just clean the chamber more if I'm going to run Russian crap ammo.
---
did you check the bore to make sure the round exited the barrel?

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 19, 2017 06:42 PM (XZ/Fo)

401 did you check the bore to make sure the round exited the barrel?

I did. Quite clear except for the now tubular cartridge still in the chamber.

After I got the broken case out yesterday, I wondered if I could have used an expended round to remove the first one, sticking it up the pipe, as it were, and seeing if it could be pulled out after it cooled. Probably not though. It was fairly well stuck.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 19, 2017 06:46 PM (LTHVh)

402 you can by a designed for the j*b broken case extractor for <$10, that screw onto the mil-spec cleaning rods...

highly recommended, for all semi-auto rifles you might have...especially if you are firing reloads or other ammo that might be prone to such things...

of course, over the years, i had to use them on LC ammo on various ranges as well, especially machine gun ones.


Posted by: redc1c4 at March 19, 2017 06:57 PM (XZ/Fo)

403 This was inevitable. Guns simply don't wear out and good designs are forever. I have a Winchester Model 12 shotgun thats nearly 100 years old and it works great.

Posted by: daninmichigan at March 19, 2017 06:59 PM (Puy5+)

404 you just insert them from the chamber end, and they pass through the case mouth, or what's left of it, then spring out and catch the leading edge of the case with a lip of steel on the prongs.

then you just pull back, and the case *should* come out.

if it's recalcitrant, add some CLP, etc, from both ends and, if all else fails, put another cleaning rod down the barrel from the muzzle, and tap (gently) on that end with a hammer as someone else pulls backward from the chamber end.

might eat up a rod piece or two, but the case should come out, eventually

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 19, 2017 07:02 PM (XZ/Fo)

405 This was my first case malf in 762 Nato so I didn't have an extractor so I ordered on mail order yesterday from Amazon. It's the kind that you use as though it were a cartridge and hopefully the extractor will pull both out together.

I have one for 762x39 of a similar design that I have had to use a couple of times over the years. Interestingly, the couple of times that I broke the x39 was in my SKS, which has a very similar bolt mechanism to the FAL.

Hmm.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 19, 2017 07:03 PM (LTHVh)

406 I tapped the stuck case out with a steel rod yesterday after hooking it with a paperclip fashioned into a barb. When I fist slide the rod down from the muzzle end, it did not catch on the case mouth or anything so I had to figure something else out.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 19, 2017 07:07 PM (LTHVh)

407 first slid


FMF

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 19, 2017 07:07 PM (LTHVh)

408 I have several guns older than me that still function perfectly. The same for a few manual typewriters. A 1939 Royal KMM is on my desk as we speak. My best friend, my age, regularly uses guns inherited from his grandfather.

The idea of older things that still work well is sometimes reassuring.

Posted by: JTB at March 19, 2017 07:10 PM (V+03K)

409 Or, just maybe, people fear the guy in charge of government less than they did before.

Or, at least, the one purportedly in charge. Deep State illegal Fourth Branch of government notwithstanding.

Posted by: Long name that doesn't say things we don't like at March 19, 2017 08:54 PM (YtzJ5)

410 Deep State illegal Fourth Branch of government notwithstanding.
---
it's clear those fing assholes fear us...

and well they should.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 19, 2017 09:07 PM (OOIol)

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