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Secretary of State Tillerson: Our Policy of "Strategic Patience" on North Korea Has Officially Ended

Red lines?

"Efforts toward North Korea to achieve peaceful stability over the last two decades have failed to make us safer," Tillerson said. He added, "Let me be very clear, the policy of strategic patience has ended. We're exploring a new range of diplomatic, security and economic measures. All options are on the table."

Read Sexton's post. North Korea is again demanding the world pay attention to it by threatening its southern neighbor, and even the South Koreans -- usually very reluctant to antagonize their insane psychotic little brother because he'll destroy Seoul if he spazzes out enough -- are talking about escalation being inevitable.

Posted by: Ace at 03:03 PM




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1 It's bound to happen one way or another.

Posted by: PAgirlinNC at March 17, 2017 03:04 PM (/5WQL)

2 Rd

Posted by: Clay at March 17, 2017 03:04 PM (rpAqR)

3 So what are our options? Are there any good ones?

Posted by: Lily(formerly of Hot Air) now of AoSHQ assassin in the night at March 17, 2017 03:05 PM (vfC/C)

4 Long, long past time to get rid of this particular carbuncle. The South needs to man up and commit to absorbing the North.

Posted by: joncelli, Gobsmacked Rage Monkey and Crossbowman at March 17, 2017 03:05 PM (RD7QR)

5 Stop giving NK money, food and oil would be a good start.

Posted by: West at March 17, 2017 03:06 PM (1Rgee)

6 Tell Kim Jong-un you want to meet him at the airport.

Posted by: zombie Kim Jing-nam at March 17, 2017 03:06 PM (HgMAr)

7 It's gonna happen. The madman has mouthed off one too many times.

Posted by: deplorable Jewells45 at March 17, 2017 03:07 PM (zRZaJ)

8 Note, the NORKs would go with unlimited warfare, and use thousands of Artillery pieces to fire on Civilians...

They would then get their ass kicked by the South Korean Army...

What we, and the South need to do is make SURE that everyone in North Korea knows that shelling civilians IS a War Crime... and they will be held accountable personally if they do so.

Posted by: Don Q. at March 17, 2017 03:07 PM (NgKpN)

9 What an attack on the NorK's might look like. One thing missing: the Chi-Com response.

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-preemptive-strike-

north-korea-2017-3/#first-a-decision-would-need-to-be-made-1

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:07 PM (mbhDw)

10 North Korea is best Korea!!1!

Posted by: Kim Jong Un at March 17, 2017 03:07 PM (rUIbB)

11 Serious Moron Question here.

the Nork's population eats sawdust for sustenance..

How much of a force would it take to roll right through that country and take him out?

Obviously any Allied build up of forces would need to happen under the cover of darkness and surprise the NORKs that way.

Posted by: Blanco at March 17, 2017 03:07 PM (tGBt6)

12 It's less of a red line and more of a, "We're keeping our options open."

Leaves potential consequences to the imagination and allows for a much broader set of counter-actions for the administration.

Interesting thing is how China reacts, really.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 03:08 PM (ELUpj)

13 13 Serious Moron Question here.

the Nork's population eats sawdust for sustenance..

How much of a force would it take to roll right through that country and take him out?

Obviously any Allied build up of forces would need to happen under the cover of darkness and surprise the NORKs that way.

Posted by: Blanco at March 17, 2017 03:07 PM (tGBt6)

====================

Can you imagine the headlines at CNN?

"Heartless US Soldiers Trample Over Democratic Republic, Killing Untold Billions in the Process"

Attach a picture of starved and dead bodies.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 03:09 PM (ELUpj)

14 13 Serious Moron Question here.

the Nork's population eats sawdust for sustenance..

How much of a force would it take to roll right through that country and take him out?

Obviously any Allied build up of forces would need to happen under the cover of darkness and surprise the NORKs that way.

Posted by: Blanco at March 17, 2017 03:07 PM (tGBt6)


The troops are well fed and well trained. Make no mistake; whatever happens may not be protracted but it will be bloody.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:09 PM (mbhDw)

15 The can has landed on the road.

Your move, China.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Swears Never Gonna Give You Up, Never Gonna Let You Down at March 17, 2017 03:09 PM (hLRSq)

16 Maybe a PR campaign of air dropping food and rations for the NORK civilians with pamphlets of Glorious rejoining with the South..

(just spitballing against the wall)

Posted by: Blanco at March 17, 2017 03:09 PM (tGBt6)

17
the Nork's population eats sawdust for sustenance..

How much of a force would it take to roll right through that country and take him out?

Obviously any Allied build up of forces would need to happen under the cover of darkness and surprise the NORKs that way.

Posted by: Blanco at March 17, 2017 03:07 PM (tGBt6)


They have plenty of well fed and brainwashed soldiers.

We're talking fanaticism that makes the Islamic State say "that's extreme".

Posted by: Inchon 2: Electric Goguryeo at March 17, 2017 03:10 PM (rUIbB)

18
And by the way, I fully expect the NorK's to use dirty bombs, whatever actual nukes they have plus chem and bio weapons.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:10 PM (mbhDw)

19 Red Lines?


No. From what i read this morning we are already deploying advanced missiles to S. Korea in response. China doesn't like it but tough shit. They can't control their crazy man so they have to eat it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 17, 2017 03:10 PM (mpXpK)

20 I'd recommend, uhhhhhh, sternly-worded, ummmmmmm, letters.

Posted by: TEH WON at March 17, 2017 03:10 PM (PiLeq)

21 I can't believe that this conflict, for which my father gave his life all those decades ago, is still ongoing.

Posted by: navybrat at March 17, 2017 03:11 PM (w7KSn)

22 Meet our new diplomacy, Kim.

https://tinyurl.com/9n2838g

Posted by: Jefe El Donaldo at March 17, 2017 03:11 PM (HgMAr)

23 "Strategic patience?"

These guys talk like a bunch of morons.

Tillerson: "Little Kim talks like a fag and his shit's all retarded."

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 17, 2017 03:11 PM (GX63o)

24 Maybe a PR campaign of air dropping food and rations for the NORK civilians with pamphlets of Glorious rejoining with the South..

(just spitballing against the wall)
Posted by: Blanco at March 17, 2017 03:09 PM (tGBt6)


Refugees from North Korea usually still can't believe reality, even decades after they've escaped.

The brainwashing is that ingrained.

Posted by: Inchon 2: Electric Goguryeo at March 17, 2017 03:11 PM (rUIbB)

25 Thanks for the info..

Posted by: Blanco at March 17, 2017 03:11 PM (tGBt6)

26 19 Red Lines?


No. From what i read this morning we are already deploying advanced missiles to S. Korea in response. China doesn't like it but tough shit. They can't control their crazy man so they have to eat it.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 17, 2017 03:10 PM (mpXpK)

=================

I bet China thinks they're controlling him reasonably well.

I mean, he hasn't actually attacked another country has he?

I'd bet that's the real red line in the Chinese government. Anything else is probably tolerable.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 03:11 PM (ELUpj)

27 South Korea just impeached their President, the replacement may not like the US so much. Kim seems highly unstable, will China do anything to help?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 17, 2017 03:11 PM (6Ll1u)

28 21 I can't believe that this conflict, for which my father gave his life all those decades ago, is still ongoing.
Posted by: navybrat at March 17, 2017 03:11 PM (w7KSn)


Wow. G-d bless his memory.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:11 PM (mbhDw)

29 ugh
how close to SHTF are they?

KTE is wanting to study abroad in South Korea

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 17, 2017 03:12 PM (Om16U)

30 Stop giving NK money, food and oil would be a good start.
Posted by: West


Ding, ding, ding.

Give the man a prize.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 17, 2017 03:12 PM (4YGWz)

31 26 Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 03:11 PM (ELUpj)


Knock out the NorK's and there goes a serious part of Iran's weapons capabilities.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:12 PM (mbhDw)

32 4 Long, long past time to get rid of this particular carbuncle. The South needs to man up and commit to absorbing the North.
Posted by: joncelli, Gobsmacked Rage Monkey and Crossbowman at March 17, 2017 03:05 PM (RD7QR)

They might take the El Cid option and just start throwing BBQ into the north.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 17, 2017 03:13 PM (R7+kO)

33 Thanks, J.J.
There is a reason I detest commies...
Actually, many reasons.

Posted by: navybrat at March 17, 2017 03:14 PM (w7KSn)

34 27 South Korea just impeached their President, the replacement may not like the US so much. Kim seems highly unstable, will China do anything to help?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 17, 2017 03:11 PM (6Ll1u)


In exchange for guaranteeing no reunification and that the North stays Commie, the Chi-Coms might actually help with taking out Kim.

Remember that most of the purges of the high level cadres are supposedly those connected to the Chi-Coms.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:14 PM (mbhDw)

35 Strategic Patience


Nothing says I'm tired of your shit quite like a Trident missile.

Posted by: DaveA at March 17, 2017 03:14 PM (FhXTo)

36 It's official.

I now have a man-crush on Rex Tillerson.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 17, 2017 03:14 PM (4AVeu)

37 I think we are going to see a trade off. We'll give you the South China Islands, you give up North Korea.



Enough. Everyone wins. Xi is coming to FL and the deal will be done.



Too much at stake to let this continue.

Posted by: Sam at March 17, 2017 03:14 PM (Lat75)

38 God bless Tillerson for reminding us all how supremely stupid Obama's policies were: "Strategic patience."



Strategic.


Patience.


Just muscular enough to not be mocked.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 17, 2017 03:15 PM (NOIQH)

39 Kim must be feeling particularly paranoid these days. And that was before Team Trump said a word.

National suicide by that nutball is pretty much an inevitability. And China still enables.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 17, 2017 03:15 PM (1CroS)

40 I'll admit that it's an open question as to how much the Chinese control Kim. I think recent events--resulting in THAAD in the south--indicate Kim is going his own way. The most reasonable and simplest solution is for China to kill Kim Jong Un.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at March 17, 2017 03:15 PM (97XyN)

41 32: They might take the El Cid option and just start throwing BBQ into the north.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 17, 2017 03:13 PM (R7+kO)


I watched this the other day for the first time:

https://youtu.be/T0TYCEXmi90

cant help but feel happy for them.

Posted by: Blanco at March 17, 2017 03:15 PM (tGBt6)

42 If we wait much longer to resolve this, a war with North Korea will mean trading the destruction of cities in the USA for the destruction of the North Korean regime.

The idea that China would step in and take out the North Korean regime and install something more stable because of the concern of refugees crossing the border is nonsense. China would just mow the refugees down if necessary. Remember Tiananmen Square?

North Korea was enabled for years, especially by Bill Clinton in order to kick the can down the road and off of his watch.

It's unbelievable the amount of shit that has been dumped on the Trump administration to clean up by Obama and previous administrations going back to Bush I.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at March 17, 2017 03:15 PM (3OAG2)

43 Long, long past time to get rid of this particular carbuncle. The South needs to man up and commit to absorbing the North.
--

Dennis Prager spoke about this today. Basically said that the people in the North have been heavily brainwashed for half a century.

Can a civilized democratic society absorb those who are brainwashed and have been brainwashed for decades?

Let's ask Germany and Sweden how "absorbing" Muslims is working out for them.

Posted by: shibumi at March 17, 2017 03:16 PM (FkAXz)

44 Prepare to deploy - Hans Blix!

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Swears Never Gonna Give You Up, Never Gonna Let You Down at March 17, 2017 03:16 PM (hLRSq)

45 We just put a missile defense system in. I assume it'll work.

So here's a scenario. NORKs launch another missile. Do we shoot it down? What if it's aimed toward Japan, or crosses over South Korea?

If shot down, Un is humiliated, no? What does he do?

Do we have an Ohio Class parked offshore? We don't want to go nuclear as a last resort, but we can let Un (and China) know that if provoked enough we'll use cruise missiles at select targets in the North. Un's favorite things. Even known places where Un is known to hang out.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 17, 2017 03:16 PM (SIY7D)

46 willowed:

North Korea is behaving very badly. They have been "playing" the United States for years. China has done little to help!-Donald J. Trump

God bless you, PDT.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 17, 2017 03:16 PM (Q5kE6)

47

But the Russians hacked our elections!!!


MSM

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 17, 2017 03:16 PM (lKyWE)

48 44 Prepare to deploy - Hans Blix!
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Swears Never Gonna Give You Up, Never Gonna Let You Down at March 17, 2017 03:16 PM (hLRSq)


"Pfft!"

- - Mohamed El-Baradei

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:16 PM (mbhDw)

49 And this on St. Patrick's Day when everybody is ready for a fight anyway.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 17, 2017 03:17 PM (Nwg0u)

50 >>>>usually very reluctant to antagonize their insane psychotic little brother because he'll destroy Seoul if he spazzes out enough
.
.
.Seoul gets destroyed every time something goes down. That's what happens when you put your Capital on the friggin border with your sworn enemy.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 17, 2017 03:17 PM (le7jz)

51 You can either continue to let the crazy regime extort its will, and therefore perpetuate the problem, or get it over with.

The only real question is if they really have then stomach for the game they've been threatening all these years.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 17, 2017 03:17 PM (oVJmc)

52 All that needs to happen to resolve this is for someone to shut off power to North Korea, and send them back to the stone age.

OK, wait. Let me think of something else.

Posted by: Roy at March 17, 2017 03:17 PM (VndSC)

53 49 And this on St. Patrick's Day when everybody is ready for a fight anyway.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 17, 2017 03:17 PM (Nwg0u)

Oh yeah? Say that to my face, motherfucker!

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 17, 2017 03:17 PM (0mRoj)

54 12 It's less of a red line and more of a, "We're keeping our options open."

Leaves potential consequences to the imagination and allows for a much broader set of counter-actions for the administration.

Interesting thing is how China reacts, really.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 03:08 PM (ELUpj)

If China makes a move, does their ally Pakistan make a move in India?

Posted by: josephistan at March 17, 2017 03:18 PM (7HtZB)

55
Let's ask Germany and Sweden how "absorbing" Muslims is working out for them.
Posted by: shibumi


How did East German Merkel work out for them?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 17, 2017 03:18 PM (IqV8l)

56
It's the Virgina Class now

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 17, 2017 03:18 PM (lKyWE)

57 I always wondered why we didn't just unleash all sorts of artillery, missiles and air support when they had those huge military parades. I mean, all their shit is right in one spot.

Posted by: Eli Cash at March 17, 2017 03:18 PM (67sg6)

58 For God's sake. Now up to 10,000 fucking bag pipes.


Posted by: Sam at March 17, 2017 03:18 PM (Lat75)

59 OT:

In Trumps joint press conference with Merkel, a German reporter asks Trump about the wiretapping claims.

Trumps response: "As far as wiretapping by the previous administration, at least we (Trump pointing to Merkel) have something in common, perhaps."

That's gold Jerry! Gold!

Posted by: WisRich at March 17, 2017 03:19 PM (hdpay)

60
Now we can see how utterly traitorous it was for SCOAMF not to challenge the Chi-Com annexation/capture/militarization of the South China Sea.

One big mother bargaining chip, that is. They take out the NorK's in exchange for no more talk of reunification with the South AND they get to make the South China Sea a Chi-Com lake.

Obama deserves to rot in hell for that alone.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:19 PM (mbhDw)

61 Can a civilized democratic society absorb those who are brainwashed and have been brainwashed for decades?

Let's ask Germany and Sweden how "absorbing" Muslims is working out for them.
Posted by: shibumi at March 17, 2017 03:16 PM (FkAXz)

Yet East and West Germany did successfully integrate...

Posted by: Don Q. at March 17, 2017 03:19 PM (NgKpN)

62 I mean, all their shit is right in one spot.
Posted by: Eli Cash


One sniper can do it.

Posted by: Roy at March 17, 2017 03:19 PM (VndSC)

63
How did East German Merkel work out for them?
---

Even better point!

Posted by: shibumi at March 17, 2017 03:19 PM (FkAXz)

64 In someways North Korea is useful, because most people rightfully see this as China's child. This will be a good excuse for Trump to nail China with tariffs if they don't do something about their little monster.


Posted by: William Eaton at March 17, 2017 03:20 PM (MuTTO)

65 58 For God's sake. Now up to 10,000 fucking bag pipes.


Posted by: Sam at March 17, 2017 03:18 PM (Lat75)

Bagpipes screw? Oh God...

Posted by: joncelli, Gobsmacked Rage Monkey and Crossbowman at March 17, 2017 03:20 PM (RD7QR)

66 Are Millennials too old to be drafted?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 17, 2017 03:20 PM (IqV8l)

67 http://bit.ly/2mbtZJr
----
Secret Service laptop with 'national security info' about Trump stolen; agents' freaking'
----
BULLSHIT!! 'Deep State" stole it

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 17, 2017 03:20 PM (y3aQB)

68 They must have this planned. Bag pipe band every four bands? So you get over the last one and then in the distance another one is coming.



I need a drink

Posted by: Sam at March 17, 2017 03:20 PM (Lat75)

69 North Korea!

Venezuela of the East!

Now with nukes!

Posted by: North Korean travel brochure at March 17, 2017 03:20 PM (W8bn5)

70 North Korea is behaving very badly. They have been "playing" the United States for years. China has done little to help!-Donald J. Trump


The fascist Trump's bigotry against peoples of different races and cultures is not who we are.

Posted by: Egg McMuffin, with a dick in his mouth at March 17, 2017 03:21 PM (ul9CR)

71 OT but it might be important. Is this something?

I don't understand this. The Ninth Circus savages itself. Does this mean the original travel ban is back in effect?

http://tinyurl.com/zd5fftg

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 17, 2017 03:21 PM (Nwg0u)

72 I see everyone is having a great St Patrick's day

Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2017 03:21 PM (GPaiX)

73 Bagpipes screw? Oh God...
---

Best bagpipe?

AC/DC It's a Long Way To the Top If You Want to Rock and Roll.

Posted by: shibumi at March 17, 2017 03:21 PM (FkAXz)

74 If North Korea escalates at all, the DMZ and the Southern part of North Korea should be bombed with Cobalt nukes to make that area a dead zone for 100 years.

Fuck those guys and time to use the big stick.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 17, 2017 03:21 PM (2qHjF)

75 It would be great if Trump and Tillerson would forcefully make the following points to the public:

(a) Bill Clinton signed a deal with the Norks which Clinton said would eliminate any chance of Pyongyang getting nuclear weapons. The Norks ended up with nukes anyway. Because the deal was absurdly weak and unrealistic, and allowed them to easily cheat.

(b) The deal with Tehran cut by Obama and Kerry, which again was billed as one which would eliminate any chance of the counterparty getting nuclear weapons, is BASICALLY THE SAME DAMN SETUP as had previously failed in the case of North Korea. The Iranian antinuclear deal was in fact negotiated by the VERY SAME INDIVIDUAL, highly trained social worker and Democrat apparatchik Wendy Sherman.

(c) Given the plain proofs that deal (a) was a raw deal from the start, and hasn't worked at all, what rationale is there for continuing to pretend that deal (b) is still viable and worth honoring? Make the case to the public. Lay out the hard facts.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2017 03:22 PM (noWW6)

76 I think leftists must think that totalitarian regimes are exactly like constitutional republics, except if you find someone's opinion offensive, you can snitch on them to the government and something will be done about it, quickly and efficiently. They seem to be trying to implement that here.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 17, 2017 03:22 PM (W8bn5)

77 Is the impeachment of their female leader in the south motivated at all that the US and they feel more comfortable with male leadership in case of war? Not trying to start a storm just wonderin'

Posted by: catman at March 17, 2017 03:22 PM (5jdSv)

78 I was I Germany when the Wall came down. The one country with more observers than any other...South Korea.
They know they will have to deal with this mess.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2017 03:22 PM (0tfLf)

79 It's about this time that China and South Korea turn up the heat on their intel services and have the NK leadership taken out. I have a hard time believing the Chinese don't have the means and methods to do this.

Posted by: MacGruber at March 17, 2017 03:22 PM (sWgE+)

80 Just wait until Midnight, then bomb the ever living shit out of anything that has its lights on.

North Korean Leadership Problem solved.

Then, tell the UN they are moving to Pyongyang for the forseeable future.

Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2017 03:23 PM (4/95V)

81 Why can't we just give both Koreas back to the Japanese?

They had a stable government, a well fed population and comfort women a plenty back in 30's.

Who knows, if it works out, the next step is to give Manchuko back to the Japanese too.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2017 03:23 PM (5VlCp)

82 Oh boy fat HS chicks now!!

Posted by: Sam at March 17, 2017 03:23 PM (Lat75)

83 In times like these, how many more Americans would sleep soundly in their beds if we had rational, and steady leadership in the Oval Office, instead of an overgrown toddler who doesnt understand that this is no longer reality-tv?

The situation in east asia is so dangerous these days and there is nobody in this administration with the foreign policy competence to actually, seriously provide leadership.

It is a shame to see how far below standard the staff of this administration is compared to previous GOP presidencies. No Kissinger, no Baker or Scowcroft or Rice. Just shameful!

Posted by: Begonia at March 17, 2017 03:23 PM (fdkS8)

84 75. I hope Tillerson or Trump does this.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at March 17, 2017 03:23 PM (CLKfs)

85 This nation, run by goons, was actually *kidnapping* Japanese and South Koreans for years.

Why it wasn't wiped off the map as a condition of opening the US up to Red Chinese goods is beyond me.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 17, 2017 03:24 PM (ujg0T)

86 Don't the Norks pull this little extortion stunt every four years? They huff and puff until they get foreign aid and then they posture until the next changing of the guard.

Posted by: Fritz at March 17, 2017 03:24 PM (2Mnv1)

87 whack Kim, make it look like an accident, rework the lyrics to candle in the wind, and call it a day

Posted by: Lord Sir x at March 17, 2017 03:24 PM (nFwvY)

88 73 Bagpipes screw? Oh God...
---

Best bagpipe?

AC/DC It's a Long Way To the Top If You Want to Rock and Roll.
Posted by: shibumi at March 17, 2017 03:21 PM (FkAXz)


Agreed. And of course some nancy-boy will say "Mull of Kintyre."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:24 PM (mbhDw)

89 Secretary of State Tillerson: Our Policy of "Strategic Patience" on North Korea Has Officially Ended
............

So, Putin has had it up to here with the Norks?

Posted by: wth at March 17, 2017 03:24 PM (HgMAr)

90 South Korean trivia: They hate us.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 17, 2017 03:24 PM (fqERy)

91 >>Best bagpipe?


The one with the bladder is slashed to tatters and the pipes crushed into pulp.

Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2017 03:24 PM (4/95V)

92 Why can't we just give both Koreas back to the Japanese?

They had a stable government, a well fed population and comfort women a plenty back in 30's.

Who knows, if it works out, the next step is to give Manchuko back to the Japanese too.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2017 03:23 PM (5VlCp)


Why, hello again!

Posted by: The Mongols at March 17, 2017 03:24 PM (rUIbB)

93 YOU AND I IN A LITTLE TOY SHOP
BUY A BAG OF BALLOONS WITH THE MONEY WE GOT!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 17, 2017 03:25 PM (ngBS+)

94 >>>
In someways North Korea is useful, because most people rightfully see
this as China's child. This will be a good excuse for Trump to nail
China with tariffs if they don't do something about their little
monster.

.
.
.China owns this entire mess as there would not be a North Korea if they had stayed out of the conflict in 1951. MacArthur had the war won until China got all nervous about having a US Ally on their border and sent in over 1,000,000 soldiers to stop that from happening.

So whatever occurs, China is directly responsible.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 17, 2017 03:25 PM (le7jz)

95 U.S. to Fat Boy: We're sick of your shit.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 17, 2017 03:25 PM (8ZskC)

96 Begonia mmmm.. Must be an ill Wynn a blowin'

Posted by: catman at March 17, 2017 03:25 PM (5H2BV)

97 84 75. I hope Tillerson or Trump does this.
Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at March 17, 2017 03:23 PM (CLKfs)


The Iran sell-out deal is a trump card, no pun. The revelations will - or should - take down a lot of entrenched assholes.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:25 PM (mbhDw)

98 How is it nobody has made a Team America Joke?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 17, 2017 03:25 PM (6Ll1u)

99 36 It's official.

I now have a man-crush on Rex Tillerson.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 17, 2017 03:14 PM (4AVeu)

==================

Just wait.

I bet he'll say something nice about a climate change agenda and then we'll all be demanding his immediate resignation.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 03:26 PM (ELUpj)

100 Posted by: Begonia at March 17, 2017 03:23 PM (fdkS


Concern status:

[ ] Not noted.
[x] "Noted"

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 17, 2017 03:26 PM (KUaJL)

101 "Is the impeachment of their female leader in the south motivated at all that the US and they feel more comfortable with male leadership in case of war? Not trying to start a storm just wonderin'"

Not likely at all. Park was a hardliner on the Norks. The leading contender for president now is a lefty who's expected to be much more conciliatory.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at March 17, 2017 03:26 PM (97XyN)

102 43 Let's ask Germany and Sweden how "absorbing" Muslims is working out for them.
Posted by: shibumi at March 17, 2017 03:16 PM (FkAXz)

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Just ask West Germans about East Germans in the early 90s.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 03:26 PM (ELUpj)

103 95 U.S. to Fat Boy: We're sick of your shit.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 17, 2017 03:25 PM (8ZskC)


Fat Boy Gets Fat Man. Times a Million.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:26 PM (mbhDw)

104 OT but it might be important. Is this something?



I don't understand this. The Ninth Circus savages itself. Does this mean the original travel ban is back in effect?



http://tinyurl.com/zd5fftg

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

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Holy crap, dude. That is one righteous beatdown!

ace, if you are still around, you need to check this out.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 17, 2017 03:26 PM (Q5kE6)

105 How is it nobody has made a Team America Joke?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 17, 2017 03:25 PM (6Ll1u)


I already referenced Hans Blix. Someone else can take it from there.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Swears Never Gonna Give You Up, Never Gonna Let You Down at March 17, 2017 03:27 PM (hLRSq)

106 'Kor-ea
Kor-ea
Kor-ea

I just met a girl named

Kor-ea'

Posted by: Nork Side Story at March 17, 2017 03:27 PM (4/95V)

107 Taking a knee over this overt Trump aggression.

Posted by: Dennis Rodman at March 17, 2017 03:27 PM (fqERy)

108 Can you imagine the headlines at CNN?

"Heartless US Soldiers Trample Over Democratic Republic, Killing Untold Billions in the Process"

Attach a picture of starved and dead bodies.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 03:09 PM (ELUpj)



You can just see the libmedia writing these stories the moment any aid to the Nork goons is cut off.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 17, 2017 03:28 PM (ujg0T)

109 Also lets face it if we do get into a war with North Korea and they shoot a nuke at America, if it does not land in Vladivostok, it will probably land in California.

Not a good thing, but just saying considering California voted for Obama and Clinton and their polices on North Korea which allowed them to get nukes...



Posted by: William Eaton at March 17, 2017 03:28 PM (MuTTO)

110 We're going from completely different perspectives but I actually agree with Bernie Sanders here:

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.) implied in a recent interview that the Democratic Party is like the ill-fated Titanic, adding that some Democrats want to go along with the "status quo" and sink with the ship.

"Certainly there are some people in the Democratic Party who want to maintain the status quo," Sanders told the New York Times Magazine when asked "if he thought the Democratic Party knew what it stood for."

"They would rather go down with the Titanic so long as they have first-class seats," Sanders continued.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 17, 2017 03:28 PM (Nwg0u)

111 Just shameful!

Posted by: Begonia

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I love the classics.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 17, 2017 03:28 PM (Q5kE6)

112 77 Is the impeachment of their female leader in the south motivated at all that the US and they feel more comfortable with male leadership in case of war? Not trying to start a storm just wonderin'

Posted by: catman at March 17, 2017 03:22 PM (5jdSv)

IIRC it's just a straight-up bribery scandal.

Posted by: joncelli, Gobsmacked Rage Monkey and Crossbowman at March 17, 2017 03:28 PM (RD7QR)

113 EMPs are a serious threat and easy to make and only takes a few to wipe out our entire country. Read the book One Second After, which is a real scenario of what would happen to the USA and world if that happened.

Nuke the fuckers or cobalt bombs to make the southern half a dead zone if they think about firing another missle or launching another "satellite".

This shit is not a game like their psychotic leader thinks it is.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 17, 2017 03:28 PM (2qHjF)

114 Post needs sexy ginger girls

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 17, 2017 03:29 PM (zsHGH)

115 If that Churchill keeps provoking Hitler he may start a war!

Posted by: Neville Chamberpot (D) at March 17, 2017 03:29 PM (QtQaN)

116 Fritz: "Don't the Norks pull this little extortion stunt every four years?..."

Is it that long? Wow, time flies.

But yeah, it's pretty much the only thing they produce. Without extortion, they'd have almost literally nothing.

It's a unique business model.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 17, 2017 03:29 PM (1CroS)

117 110 We're going from completely different perspectives but I actually agree with Bernie Sanders here:

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.) implied in a recent interview that the Democratic Party is like the ill-fated Titanic, adding that some Democrats want to go along with the "status quo" and sink with the ship.

"Certainly there are some people in the Democratic Party who want to maintain the status quo," Sanders told the New York Times Magazine when asked "if he thought the Democratic Party knew what it stood for."

"They would rather go down with the Titanic so long as they have first-class seats," Sanders continued.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 17, 2017 03:28 PM (Nwg0u)

====================

He sounds like a Moron talking about the Republican Party.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 03:29 PM (ELUpj)

118 But, yeah, really happy with Tillerson. He seems like a grownup.

And the SK are getting pretty tired of the NK threats. May be a shooting war there, soon.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 17, 2017 03:29 PM (zsHGH)

119 It is a shame to see how far below standard the staff of this administration is compared to previous GOP presidencies. No Kissinger, no Baker or Scowcroft or Rice. Just shameful!

Posted by: Begonia at March 17, 2017 03:23 PM (fdkS


YOU'RE FIRED!!!!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 17, 2017 03:29 PM (8ZskC)

120 83
It is a shame to see how far below standard the staff of this administration is compared to previous GOP presidencies. No Kissinger, no Baker or Scowcroft or Rice. Just shameful!
Posted by: Begonia at March 17, 2017 03:23 PM (fdkS


Some shining examples of leadership that left in place tyrants and bad actors whilst wasting American blood and treasure for no good outcomes and that aided and abetted the NorKs as well.

Step away from the RISK and Stratego board and take a look around.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:30 PM (mbhDw)

121
The South Koreans need to begin disaster and evacuation drills. Weekly.

If this goes south there's gonna be heavy casualties in the entire 15 minute exchange before North Korea becomes de-atomized.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 17, 2017 03:30 PM (ZFUt7)

122 Yeah talk talk. I would like to see what they are going to do about Chinese and Korean aggression in the region. Everyone keeps talking about Russia, but China is at least as bad and aggressive in their region.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2017 03:30 PM (39g3+)

123 120 Some shining examples of leadership that left in place tyrants and bad actors whilst wasting American blood and treasure for no good outcomes and that aided and abetted the NorKs as well.

Step away from the RISK and Stratego board and take a look around.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:30 PM (mbhDw)

=======================

I prefer playing Dune 2000, personally.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 03:31 PM (ELUpj)

124 Holy crap, dude. That is one righteous beatdown!

ace, if you are still around, you need to check this out.


Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 17, 2017 03:26 PM (Q5kE6)

Agreed.

MSM to bury it? Where is Drudge on this?

Posted by: Sam at March 17, 2017 03:31 PM (Lat75)

125 "They would rather go down with the Titanic so long as they have first-class seats," Sanders continued.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 17, 2017 03:28 PM (Nwg0u)

----------------------------------------------------------

The GOPe will be right there with them...

Posted by: William Eaton at March 17, 2017 03:31 PM (MuTTO)

126 On a FRIDAY afternoon?

Posted by: Sam at March 17, 2017 03:31 PM (Lat75)

127 "We just put a missile defense system in. I assume it'll work."

Chancy assumption. Very chancy.

The last President to regard ballistic missile defense with any degree of seriousness was Ronald Reagan.

When the country-club Eastern-establishment Poppy Bush arrived, he almost immediately began slashing away at the Reagan defense buildup he had inherited, including BMD. Poppy's successor Billy Jeff of course was quite happy to not renew those contracts and programs.

Dubya Bush then panicked after 9/11 upon being told by the Pentagon that, well, no, sir, there really isn't a BMD capability to speak of. What we've got is an underfunded, undertested research program with only a few vehicles.

Dubya immediately ordered that this scanty number of interceptors be officially decreed operational, despite their poor reliability and lousy performance in testing. He wanted also to have the Navy Aegis system declared fully mission ready for BMD intercept, which was again a serious stretch from technical reality.

Obama was utterly disinterested in the entire subject.

So here we are in 2017. Where ballistic missiles and nukes to go on top of those missiles are proliferating madly. Including into the hands of literal madmen. And the ability of the USA to shoot them down is still highly questionable.

Want BMD? Reliable BMD? Gotta spend the money. And spend the time. And spend the effort. No shortcuts.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2017 03:31 PM (noWW6)

128
What we, and the South need to do is make SURE that everyone in North Korea knows that shelling civilians IS a War Crime... and they will be held accountable personally if they do so.

They could use the propaganda loudspeakers along the border to do that. Or broadcast it on one of the few frequencies that NORK radios are able to receive. Sounds like a job for Combat Call.

Posted by: Fox2! at March 17, 2017 03:31 PM (brIR5)

129 OT but it might be important. Is this something?



I don't understand this. The Ninth Circus savages itself. Does this mean the original travel ban is back in effect?



http://tinyurl.com/zd5fftg

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

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I read that. It's funny.

Go to the comments and see that the best the left can do is essentially mimic that courtier from Amadeus.

"Too many notes"

They know they have no ground to stand on in defending the original ruling.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 03:32 PM (ELUpj)

130 28 21 I can't believe that this conflict, for which my father gave his life all those decades ago, is still ongoing.
Posted by: navybrat at March 17, 2017 03:11 PM (w7KSn)


Wow. G-d bless his memory.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:11 PM (mbhDw)

I'll second that.

Posted by: West at March 17, 2017 03:32 PM (1Rgee)

131 It's about this time that China and South Korea turn up the heat on
their intel services and have the NK leadership taken out. I have a hard
time believing the Chinese don't have the means and methods to do this.


The Chinese have been using the Norks as a destabilizing force in the region for a while, and using their 'influence' to win benefits for themselves.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 17, 2017 03:32 PM (oVJmc)

132 109 Also lets face it if we do get into a war with North Korea and they shoot a nuke at America, if it does not land in Vladivostok, it will probably land in California.

Not a good thing, but just saying considering California voted for Obama and Clinton and their polices on North Korea which allowed them to get nukes...

Posted by: William Eaton at March 17, 2017 03:28 PM (MuTTO)



I live in CA, and I must say I have entertained thoughts about SF, West Hollywood, Oakland/Berkeley, and/or South Central LA getting nuked, preferably on a massive ANSWER protest weekend.

Then again, what Joe McCarthy said about DC, that the Soviets will never nuke it because they would lose too many of their friends that way, applies even more so to California.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 17, 2017 03:33 PM (ujg0T)

133 Can a civilized democratic society absorb those who are brainwashed and have been brainwashed for decades?

Let's ask Germany and Sweden how "absorbing" Muslims is working out for them.



The Muslims are an alien culture, but Germany did absorb its eastern cultural twin after 40 years of communism and brainwashing.*

*(caveats granted as to the differences in scale and kind between East German Commie and North Korean brainwashing).

Anyway, wayward brothers can be successfully taken back into the fold. It's not always smooth, there are still East-West tensions in Germany, but we haven't fully re-absorbed the Rebel States yet either.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 17, 2017 03:33 PM (gIRsn)

134 Oh, Begonia, still pining for the Jeb administration that will never be!


Posted by: Lizzy at March 17, 2017 03:33 PM (NOIQH)

135 Posted by: Sam at March 17, 2017 03:18 PM (Lat75)

If you can't stand bagpipes, why do you watch the St Patrick's Day Parade? One knows that they're bound to be there.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 17, 2017 03:33 PM (fDdVG)

136 How come there isn't a K-pop song at the end of the post? Seems fitting.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 17, 2017 03:33 PM (6Ll1u)

137 "Efforts toward North Korea to achieve peaceful stability over the last two decades have failed to make us safer,"
.............

hILLRY or even Heb would know what to do.

Posted by: Transgender Fonzie at March 17, 2017 03:33 PM (HgMAr)

138 A gentleman: someone who knows how to play the bagpipes but doesn't.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 17, 2017 03:33 PM (1jdFA)

139 ...North Korea was enabled for years, especially by Bill Clinton in order to kick the can down the road and off of his watch.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at March 17, 2017 03:15 PM (3OAG2)

Let's not forget the inestimable 'help' they got from the inestimable Jimmuh Carter. Loves Commies, hates Jews.

Posted by: West at March 17, 2017 03:34 PM (1Rgee)

140 Anonosaurus Wrecks: "They would rather go down with the Titanic so long as they have first-class seats," Sanders continued.

Says they guy clinging to his own, personalized first-class seat. Self-awareness is not his strong suit. Neither is integrity when push comes to shove. His is just a patina.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 17, 2017 03:34 PM (1CroS)

141 Step away from the RISK and Stratego board and take a look around.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:30 PM (mbhDw)

=======================

I prefer playing Dune 2000, personally.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 03:31 PM (ELUpj)

Risk: Legacy is where it's at.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 17, 2017 03:34 PM (72PAC)

142 http://bit.ly/2mblXA6
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In Honor of St. Paddys day
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IT'S A LONG WAY TO THE TOP (IF YOU WANNA ROCK 'N' ROLL)

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 17, 2017 03:34 PM (y3aQB)

143 A big group from my son's basic training class were sent to South Korea. It's supposed to be a terrible place to be stationed because it's so boring, but maybe not for long.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at March 17, 2017 03:35 PM (CLKfs)

144 The problem with bagpipes is that only white people play them.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 17, 2017 03:35 PM (8ZskC)

145 143 A big group from my son's basic training class were sent to South Korea. It's supposed to be a terrible place to be stationed because it's so boring, but maybe not for long.
Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at March 17, 2017 03:35 PM (CLKfs)

Eh, I think if there's a chance to be on the receiving end of an artillery barrage boring sounds pretty good.

Posted by: joncelli, Gobsmacked Rage Monkey and Crossbowman at March 17, 2017 03:36 PM (RD7QR)

146 I think Drudge is gone on spring break. He hasn't changed his lead for 24 hours.

Posted by: Sam at March 17, 2017 03:36 PM (Lat75)

147 Holy crap, dude. That is one righteous beatdown!

ace, if you are still around, you need to check this out.

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What I don't understand, and I know little about federal appellate procedure, is whether this panel is just farting into the wind for shits and giggles or whether this actually means something.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 17, 2017 03:37 PM (Nwg0u)

148 Posted by: Begonia at March 17, 2017 03:23 PM (fdkS

Concern:

[ ] noted
[X] ignored

Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at March 17, 2017 03:38 PM (6GTWP)

149
What's the difference between Great Highland bagpipes and Northumbrian bagpipes?

Great Highlands burn hotter but Northumbrians burn longer.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 17, 2017 03:38 PM (1jdFA)

150 143 A big group from my son's basic training class were sent to South Korea. It's supposed to be a terrible place to be stationed because it's so boring, but maybe not for long.
Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at March 17, 2017 03:35 PM (CLKfs)
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Boring? My liver barely survived a three-month TDY.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 17, 2017 03:38 PM (EnKk6)

151 Sum Ting Wong

Posted by: Amy Schumer at March 17, 2017 03:39 PM (QM5S2)

152 "Boring? My liver barely survived a three-month TDY."

Yeah, I didn't find it boring, but that was a long time ago.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at March 17, 2017 03:39 PM (97XyN)

153 145: Yep, boring sounds great to me.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at March 17, 2017 03:40 PM (CLKfs)

154
Khrushchev didn't think the USA was serious about removing nukes from Cuba until he learned that evacuation plans were being readied for DC and NYC. He then called Kennedy and wanted to know if he was a madman.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 17, 2017 03:40 PM (ZFUt7)

155 I spent a day reading about the North Korean gulag system. They've got layers of prison camps (surprising I know), the worst being for politicals (you never leave except feet first) and then ones for criminals and even ones for the people uprooted by the famine back in the 1990s.

There's evidence, spotty of course, that they've conducted experiments on human beings. That's alongside the usual torture, starvation, and on the spot executions.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 17, 2017 03:41 PM (4ErVI)

156 The Muslims are an alien culture, but Germany did absorb its eastern cultural twin after 40 years of communism and brainwashing.*

*(caveats granted as to the differences in scale and kind between East German Commie and North Korean brainwashing).

Anyway, wayward brothers can be successfully taken back into the fold. It's not always smooth, there are still East-West tensions in Germany, but we haven't fully re-absorbed the Rebel States yet either.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 17, 2017 03:33 PM (gIRsn)



My German friends tell me that the Neo-Nazis that actually do exist in Germany today are just about all in the former East.

Unlike the West, East Germany never "came to terms with the past", and always claimed the Nazis were capitalist.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 17, 2017 03:41 PM (ujg0T)

157 What I don't understand, and I know little about federal appellate procedure, is whether this panel is just farting into the wind for shits and giggles or whether this actually means something.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 17, 2017 03:37 PM (Nwg0u)

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Me either. But I think they are just farting around. From what I understand they'd need 11 to meet to reverse the three-panel SJW decision.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 17, 2017 03:41 PM (Om16U)

158 >>>>Dubya Bush then panicked after 9/11 upon being told by the Pentagon
that, well, no, sir, there really isn't a BMD capability to speak of.
What we've got is an underfunded, undertested research program with only
a few vehicles.

Dubya immediately ordered that this scanty
number of interceptors be officially decreed operational, despite their
poor reliability and lousy performance in testing. He wanted also to
have the Navy Aegis system declared fully mission ready for BMD
intercept, which was again a serious stretch from technical reality.

Obama was utterly disinterested in the entire subject.

So
here we are in 2017. Where ballistic missiles and nukes to go on top of
those missiles are proliferating madly. Including into the hands of
literal madmen. And the ability of the USA to shoot them down is still
highly questionable.

Want BMD? Reliable BMD? Gotta spend the money. And spend the time. And spend the effort. No shortcuts.
.
.
.At one point we had obsolete Perry Class Frigates out on Patrol with modified SM-3's (RIM 161) missiles and called that our Missile Defense.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 17, 2017 03:41 PM (le7jz)

159 Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 17, 2017 03:35 PM (8ZskC)

RACIST!! Black Irish play them

J/K. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 17, 2017 03:41 PM (fDdVG)

160 "It's supposed to be a terrible place to be stationed because it's so boring, but maybe not for long."

Former Army armor guy I knew had been posted in Europe during the late Cold War years. Facing down his counterparts in Group of Soviet Forces Germany across the Fulda Gap.

The first briefing to his unit on arrival: "Yeah, if the balloon goes up, we calculate your combat life expectancy is about five hours."

Cold War ends without a shot being fired. My buddy breathes a sigh of deserved relief. His new redeployment orders come through. To the DMZ in Korea. First briefing on arrival: "Yeah, if the balloon goes up, we calculate..."

Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2017 03:41 PM (noWW6)

161 If the Norks nuke S.Korea please target the Samsung factory.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 17, 2017 03:42 PM (fqERy)

162 @11: "the Nork's population eats sawdust for sustenance..



How much of a force would it take to roll right through that country and take him out?"

Well, given that the West couldn't handle Somalia or Afghanistan....

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 17, 2017 03:42 PM (rznWS)

163
Then again, what Joe McCarthy said about DC, that the Soviets will never nuke it because they would lose too many of their friends that way, applies even more so to California.
Posted by: Curmudgeon


The New York Times building is a safe space.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 17, 2017 03:43 PM (IqV8l)

164 "The troops are well fed and well trained. Make no mistake; whatever happens may not be protracted but it will be bloody."

no shit about that, remember the fight between Boom Boom Mancini and Doo Ku Kim? Koreans are unreal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThQFPJpVtK8

I saw that live on TV many years ago.

Posted by: DanMan at March 17, 2017 03:43 PM (XTiHL)

165 >>>143 A big group from my son's basic training class were sent to South
Korea. It's supposed to be a terrible place to be stationed because it's
so boring, but maybe not for long.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at March 17, 2017 03:35 PM (CLKfs)

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Boring? My liver barely survived a three-month TDY.
.
.
.We used to pull Liberty in Pusan back in the 1980s. South Korea was a very militarized Country then. Haven't been back since so I have no clue what it is like today.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 17, 2017 03:43 PM (le7jz)

166 When I was in your dependents were not allowed in Korea, is it still that way?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 17, 2017 03:44 PM (6Ll1u)

167 Even if East Germany was a typical commie hole, it had a relatively advanced technology and a populace that had some exposure to the West. NK is a few circles of hell below that, with a chronically malnourished population living below a medieval level. I doubt SK even wants reunification.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 17, 2017 03:44 PM (1jdFA)

168 North Korea is a good reminder that things don't always "spring back" to sanity.

Many conservatives were on board with the idea of "let it burn" here at home, but things can burn like this for generation after generation and nobody ever rises up.

Posted by: Maritime at March 17, 2017 03:44 PM (JnKpU)

169 >>What's the difference between Great Highland bagpipes and Northumbrian bagpipes?


Average Air Speed Velocity.

Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2017 03:45 PM (4/95V)

170 I spent a day reading about the North Korean gulag system. They've got layers of prison camps (surprising I know), the worst being for politicals (you never leave except feet first) and then ones for criminals and even ones for the people uprooted by the famine back in the 1990s.
There's evidence, spotty of course, that they've conducted experiments on human beings. That's alongside the usual torture, starvation, and on the spot executions.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 17, 2017 03:41 PM (4ErVI)

I read that too. But I thought they were referring to Detroit.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2017 03:45 PM (5VlCp)

171 I deployed to Korea in '93 as part of my unit's Advanced Party. Spent about 3 months there and Jimma Carta swooped in and saved the day.
It will be a tough war.
We cannot bomb out way to victory on this one...it will take boots on the ground and that worries me. Our boots need a shit load of training after ten years of breaking down doors.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2017 03:46 PM (0tfLf)

172 $3million dollar Patriot shot down a $300 drone lately.

They do work.

Almost half of us do not work.

Posted by: torabora at March 17, 2017 03:46 PM (ibQIh)

173 Actually, I found a picture of a man named Rufus Harley, an African American who learned bagpipes and adapted it to jazz:

http://tinyurl.com/mg6wpqg

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 17, 2017 03:46 PM (fDdVG)

174
SOMEBODY--us, SK, whoever--should have smacked the Norks flat way back when they first got assy.

Now, it'll be a really bloody business. Still shouldn't amount to much more than a month long live fire exercise, I'm thinking.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 17, 2017 03:46 PM (X35Yt)

175
Also lets face it if we do get into a war with North Korea and they shoot a nuke at America, if it does not land in Vladivostok, it will probably land in California.

The Chinese own half of Calfornia so I don't see them letting that happen

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 17, 2017 03:46 PM (lKyWE)

176 I'm sick of the GOP's war on muslims. Leave North Korea alone.

Posted by: Tommy Port at March 17, 2017 03:46 PM (qYCgM)

177 "Former Army armor guy I knew had been posted in Europe during the late Cold War years. Facing down his counterparts in Group of Soviet Forces Germany across the Fulda Gap."

Stationed at Fulda with a CLE of 5 hours? I think you mean minutes. I was at Augsburg in a FA unit and our CLE was 11 minutes.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at March 17, 2017 03:46 PM (d76uN)

178 NorthKorea is what a 16 years of Hillary and the next Leftist would have looked like.

Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2017 03:47 PM (GPaiX)

179 I saw that live on TV many years ago.
Posted by: DanMan at March 17, 2017 03:43 PM (XTiHL)

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Yup.

Ray was not the same fighter after that match. Cant say as I blame him.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 17, 2017 03:47 PM (8XRCm)

180 I'm going on a Cherry Blossom Time cruise around Japan in April so could we not go to war with Norks until after?

No, geopolitics do not outweigh my holidays, I know I'm shallow. I justify it on the grounds that if there has to be trouble why not later rather than sooner.

Posted by: Decaf at March 17, 2017 03:47 PM (Tm3Ti)

181 166 When I was in your dependents were not allowed in Korea, is it still that way?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 17, 2017 03:44 PM


Pretty much. Unless you get the two or three year accompanied tour.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2017 03:47 PM (0tfLf)

182 OT: So at the press conference with Chancellor Merkel, Donald Trump states that one thing they have in common is that they were both tapped by Obama.


Galactic Overlord Class Troll.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Swears Never Gonna Give You Up, Never Gonna Let You Down at March 17, 2017 03:47 PM (hLRSq)

183 Tinfoilbaby: "When I was in your dependents were not allowed in Korea, is it still that way?"

No. The US Constitution, somewhere in the Emanations, states that citizens of Earth may tread and live anywhere at anytime or you're Hitler. Including Mars.

Posted by: The Ninth Circus at March 17, 2017 03:48 PM (1CroS)

184 Also lets face it if we do get into a war with North Korea and they shoot a nuke at America, if it does not land in Vladivostok, it will probably land in California.
............

Why would Kim Jong-un want war with Mexico?

Posted by: wth at March 17, 2017 03:48 PM (HgMAr)

185 ""We just put a missile defense system in. I assume it'll work."Chancy assumption. Very chancy.

Are the NORK rockets that hard to knock out?

Doesn't MAD work here, or is Un considered enough of a madman that it might not work?

Is Un at risk of getting toppled? Do the odds go up if other NORK leaders understand that we will light them up if Un actually goes ballistic?

Odds of NORKs actually hitting a target on our West Coast should be quite low for the forseeable future, no?

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 17, 2017 03:48 PM (SIY7D)

186 177 "Former Army armor guy I knew had been posted in Europe during the late Cold War years. Facing down his counterparts in Group of Soviet Forces Germany across the Fulda Gap."

Stationed at Fulda with a CLE of 5 hours? I think you mean minutes. I was at Augsburg in a FA unit and our CLE was 11 minutes.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at March 17, 2017 03:46 PM


Tim, I was the G-2 in Augsburg in the late 80's. Deployed from there to Desert Shield/Storm. Great Community!!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2017 03:49 PM (0tfLf)

187 South Korea Millennials that hate the US:

Who's your Daddy now?

Posted by: Golfman at March 17, 2017 03:49 PM (48QDY)

188 Donald Trump states that one thing they have in common is that they were both tapped by Obama.

-----

Dude. Phrasing.

Surveille is a better word.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 17, 2017 03:49 PM (8XRCm)

189 This Nork thing makes me nervous.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 17, 2017 03:50 PM (Om16U)

190 So, another Korean war? May you live in interesting times is a curse.

*sigh*

Posted by: Infidel at March 17, 2017 03:50 PM (uKRys)

191 167 Even if East Germany was a typical commie hole, it had a relatively advanced technology and a populace that had some exposure to the West. NK is a few circles of hell below that, with a chronically malnourished population living below a medieval level. I doubt SK even wants reunification.
Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 17, 2017 03:44 PM (1jdFA)



As awful as Nork slavery land is, nationalism is still nationalism. The leftist dupe South Korean students used to claim that US troops "stood in the way of reunification".

And from the 1980s to now, South Korea has made incredible tech strides. They are arguably cutting edge now. They could probably reabsorb the Norks easier than West Germany reabsorbed the East.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 17, 2017 03:51 PM (ujg0T)

192 Tim, I was the G-2 in Augsburg in the late 80's. Deployed from there to Desert Shield/Storm. Great Community!!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2017 03:49 PM (0tfLf)

If you ever had a Beer out at the Last Chance we may have met. Small world. Sheridan Kaserne?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at March 17, 2017 03:51 PM (d76uN)

193 Have they considered opening a Kentucky Fried Chicken place in NK? A bucket of original recipe would give that fat phuk in charge a whole new perspective on the west particularly for the one or two countries where capitalism is still practiced.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 17, 2017 03:51 PM (kfcYC)

194 Knock out the NorK's and there goes a serious part of Iran's weapons capabilities.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:12 PM (mbhDw)

________________________________________

China will find another country to do it for them. North Korea was an easy pick to do it but there are others they can get.

Posted by: Old Nam Vet at March 17, 2017 03:51 PM (bKxiT)

195 Oh here we go again Trump's been dictator for two months and already he's getting ready to invade another Middle Eastern country so sick of this Nazi. Leave North Koran alone!

Posted by: Lena Dumbham at March 17, 2017 03:51 PM (qYCgM)

196
It is a shame to see how far below standard the staff of this
administration is compared to previous GOP presidencies. No Kissinger,
no Baker or Scowcroft or Rice. Just shameful!

Posted by: Begonia at March 17, 2017 03:23 PM (fdkS


None of whom did anything about the Pyunyang Cuckoos.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 17, 2017 03:52 PM (oVJmc)

197 193 Have they considered opening a Kentucky Fried Chicken place in NK? A bucket of original recipe would give that fat phuk in charge a whole new perspective on the west particularly for the one or two countries where capitalism is still practiced.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 17, 2017 03:51 PM (kfcYC)

================

I don't think you understand Communist dictators at all.

They know the sham they're on top of. They also know that they are on top of it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 03:52 PM (ELUpj)

198 192 Tim, I was the G-2 in Augsburg in the late 80's. Deployed from there to Desert Shield/Storm. Great Community!!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2017 03:49 PM (0tfLf)

If you ever had a Beer out at the Last Chance we may have met. Small world. Sheridan Kaserne?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at March 17, 2017 03:51 PM


Yes...building 1 on Sheridan and lived over on Fryer Circle.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2017 03:52 PM (0tfLf)

199 Diogenes: "We cannot bomb out way to victory on this one...it will take boots on the ground and that worries me."

I dunno. Seems to me Kim will make it go nuclear pretty quick. If that happens NK will be a giant charcoal briquette.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 17, 2017 03:52 PM (1CroS)

200 And from the 1980s to now, South Korea has made incredible tech strides. They are arguably cutting edge now. They could probably reabsorb the Norks easier than West Germany reabsorbed the East.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 17, 2017 03:51 PM (ujg0T)

Very, very true.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 17, 2017 03:52 PM (wtvvX)

201 So if Bill Clinton hadn't decided to play hero and bail the Norks out of their apocalyptic famine in the mid-90's, the Hermit Kingdom would have collapsed and there'd be a single, democratic, electronics-producing Korea. Thanks Bill. Jackass.

Posted by: SFGoth at March 17, 2017 03:52 PM (dZ756)

202 So, another Korean war?

Posted by: Infidel at March 17, 2017 03:50 PM (uKRys)

No, same war.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 17, 2017 03:53 PM (zc3Db)

203 Liz Claman just said Erin Go Braless

Posted by: Under Fire at March 17, 2017 03:53 PM (fqERy)

204 "Also lets face it if we do get into a war with North Korea and they shoot a nuke at America, if it does not land in Vladivostok, it will probably land in California."

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If Norks hit California 25 million Mexicans will die. What does Jorge Ramos have to say about that? He should be in Pyongyang pronto to harass Kimmy boy.

Posted by: Decaf at March 17, 2017 03:53 PM (Tm3Ti)

205 202 So, another Korean war?

Posted by: Infidel at March 17, 2017 03:50 PM (uKRys)

No, same war.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 17, 2017 03:53 PM (zc3Db)

===================

It is ongoing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 03:53 PM (ELUpj)

206 Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2017 03:31 PM (noWW6)

Wow at it again. You do know that Bush withdrew us from the ABM treaty with Russia prior to 9/11 right?

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 17, 2017 03:53 PM (n3xLS)

207 The US Constitution, somewhere in the Emanations, states that citizens of Earth may tread and live anywhere at anytime or you're Hitler. Including Mars.

Posted by: The Ninth Circus at March 17, 2017 03:48 PM (1CroS)


I thought anyone anywhere anytime may tread and live in the US or you're Hitler. Including Martians. "We take you now to Grovers Mill, New Jersey..."

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 17, 2017 03:53 PM (1jdFA)

208 Kellyanne Conway's Husband Is Set to Lead Justice Department Division
Job would put George Conway at forefront defending immigration executive order and other lawsuits against Trump administration

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 17, 2017 03:54 PM (y3aQB)

209 So if Bill Clinton hadn't decided to play hero and bail the Norks out of their apocalyptic famine in the mid-90's, the Hermit Kingdom would have collapsed and there'd be a single, democratic, electronics-producing Korea. Thanks Bill. Jackass.

Posted by: SFGoth at March 17, 2017 03:52 PM (dZ756)


Don't forget to thank Jimmy Carter, too. He was the Dennis Rodman of the 1990s.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 17, 2017 03:54 PM (zc3Db)

210 In addition to the usual saber rattling, there have been some fairly high level defections and whatever those people are saying appears to have scared the living daylights out of South Korea.

So that's nice.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 17, 2017 03:54 PM (mf5HN)

211 Have they considered opening a Kentucky Fried Chicken place in NK?
.............

I say we open a Subway there, then invade when they're all incapacitated with the squirts.

Posted by: wth at March 17, 2017 03:54 PM (HgMAr)

212 Liz Claman just said Erin Go Braless

Posted by: Under Fire at March 17, 2017 03:53 PM (fqERy)

YES PLEASE!!

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 17, 2017 03:54 PM (y3aQB)

213 Kellyanne Conway's Husband Is Set to Lead Justice Department Division
Job would put George Conway at forefront defending immigration executive order and other lawsuits against Trump administration
Posted by: EVLINC! at March 17, 2017 03:54 PM (y3aQB)

??? Something about a swamp...

Posted by: Golfman at March 17, 2017 03:55 PM (48QDY)

214 Liz Claman just said Erin Go Braless

Posted by: Under Fire at March 17, 2017 03:53 PM (fqERy)

____

I FLIPPIN SAID THAT THIS MORNING AND NONE OF YOU MORONS SAID BOO....

*sulks*

Posted by: fixerupper at March 17, 2017 03:55 PM (8XRCm)

215 210 In addition to the usual saber rattling, there have been some fairly high level defections and whatever those people are saying appears to have scared the living daylights out of South Korea.

So that's nice.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 17, 2017 03:54 PM (mf5HN)

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I wonder if it's along the lines of, "Il is much crazier than Un. He's actually willing to use nukes."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 03:55 PM (ELUpj)

216 211 Have they considered opening a Kentucky Fried Chicken place in NK?
.............

I say we open a Subway there, then invade when they're all incapacitated with the squirts.
Posted by: wth at March 17, 2017 03:54 PM (HgMAr)

==================

That feels more like a Taco Bell joke...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 03:55 PM (ELUpj)

217 "Why would Kim Jong-un want war with Mexico?
Posted by: wth at March 17, 2017 03:48 PM (HgMAr)"

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Snap.

Posted by: Decaf at March 17, 2017 03:55 PM (Tm3Ti)

218 Yes...building 1 on Sheridan and lived over on Fryer Circle.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2017 03:52 PM (0tfLf)

I'd have to dig out the map I got in Orientation. Don't know where that was at. I was over in 148. About 3 blocks from the Front Gate.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at March 17, 2017 03:56 PM (d76uN)

219 Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 17, 2017 03:51 PM (kfcYC)

Fat Phuck was educated in Europe. Probably explains a lot.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 17, 2017 03:56 PM (1jdFA)

220 In addition to the usual saber rattling, there have been some fairly high level defections and whatever those people are saying appears to have scared the living daylights out of South Korea.

So that's nice.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 17, 2017 03:54 PM (mf5HN)


It's about time. South Korea has been the biggest defender of North Korea every time the Norks threatened to do anything. ANd pretty much every South Korean election involved everyone trying to prove that they were more anti-American than the other.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 17, 2017 03:56 PM (zc3Db)

221 Is it O'Green-Beer:30 yet?

Posted by: Paladin at March 17, 2017 03:56 PM (ycm4Q)

222
I dunno. Seems to me Kim will make it go nuclear pretty quick. If that happens NK will be a giant charcoal briquette.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 17, 2017 03:52 PM (1CroS)


I don't think he has that ability yet

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 17, 2017 03:56 PM (lKyWE)

223 211 Have they considered opening a Kentucky Fried Chicken place in NK?
.............

I say we open a Subway there, then invade when they're all incapacitated with the squirts.
Posted by: wth at March 17, 2017 03:54 PM (HgMAr)


Kentucky Fried Dirt. Scratch that: Kentucky Raw Dirt.

Healthier, anyway.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:56 PM (mbhDw)

224 The NORKS don't have to hit a target. Just pop a nuke off in the ionosphere above an area. This is not hard. And we are woefully ill prepared for it.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 17, 2017 03:56 PM (2qHjF)

225 The Norks are one country I never worried about, and still don't.

Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2017 03:57 PM (GPaiX)

226
The only safe place on this planet right now, after eight years of Obama kicking the can down the road, seems to be Tahiti.

Where is that jackass?

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 17, 2017 03:57 PM (ZFUt7)

227
170 I spent a day reading about the North Korean gulag system. They've got layers of prison camps (surprising I know), the worst being for politicals (you never leave except feet first) and then ones for criminals and even ones for the people uprooted by the famine back in the 1990s.
There's evidence, spotty of course, that they've conducted experiments on human beings. That's alongside the usual torture, starvation, and on the spot executions.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 17, 2017 03:41 PM (4ErVI)

Tucker Carlson was following the case of some American college kid from Virginia who was arrested and imprisoned over there for supposedly stealing a flag. That was over a year ago.

Yeah, it was dumb to even set foot in the place. But my heart went out to the poor guy when I saw the footage of him "confessing" to his "crime." He had obviously been tortured already. His poor parents.

Obama didn't do anything to help him. (Maybe nothing can be done, dealing with such crazies.) I don't know if the Trump admin is. Tucker hasn't given an update recently.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at March 17, 2017 03:57 PM (ZM2xo)

228 It's about time. South Korea has been the biggest defender of North Korea every time the Norks threatened to do anything. ANd pretty much every South Korean election involved everyone trying to prove that they were more anti-American than the other.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 17, 2017 03:56 PM (zc3Db)

See 187. the new generation hates us.

Posted by: Golfman at March 17, 2017 03:57 PM (48QDY)

229 Begonia is Average Joe, he really should get back to the stalls.

Posted by: DaveA at March 17, 2017 03:58 PM (FhXTo)

230 207
I thought anyone anywhere anytime may tread and live in the US or you're Hitler. Including Martians. "We take you now to Grovers Mill, New Jersey..."
Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at March 17, 2017 03:53 PM (1jdFA)

MEEP-MEEP-MEEP-MEEP. ACK-ACK!

Translation: Take us to this Shelia Jackson-Lee human. We have a flag to return to her

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:58 PM (mbhDw)

231 So what are our options? Are there any good ones?

Nuke North Korea from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Paladin at March 17, 2017 03:58 PM (ycm4Q)

232 Chick Corea vs. Laary Correia. Now THAT'S what I call a Korean war.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 17, 2017 03:58 PM (W8bn5)

233
No, same war.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 17, 2017 03:53 PM (zc3Db)


I know you are right. G'pa fought in Korea for a time after WWII. I also remember that Klintoon fiasco. Stupid fvckwit.

Posted by: Infidel at March 17, 2017 03:58 PM (uKRys)

234 I FLIPPIN SAID THAT THIS MORNING AND NONE OF YOU MORONS SAID BOO....

*sulks*

Posted by: fixerupper at March 17, 2017 03:55 PM


No huh!!!
Well, I didn't say boo but I did reply.

Snaiff...sniff...no one listens to me!!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2017 03:58 PM (0tfLf)

235 225 The Norks are one country I never worried about, and still don't.
Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2017 03:57 PM (GPaiX)


FYI: Those Farsi nukes that will drop all over us have their names on it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:59 PM (mbhDw)

236 Jung Un will have plenty of resistance fighters right here in CONUS.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 17, 2017 03:59 PM (fqERy)

237 I wonder if it's along the lines of, "Il is much crazier than Un. He's actually willing to use nukes."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 03:55 PM (ELUpj)



The last I saw, and who knows if it's true or just propaganda games, a guy high enough to know about this stuff defected and said that Il is rushing ahead with a nuclear test and that the Norks do not know what they are doing and there is a strong chance that the test will fail as in blow themselves up and then all hell will break loose as the survivors flee pell mell to get away. Running the risk of getting shot by China is nothing compared to being irradiated.

Again, who knows if that's true but North Korea setting of an accidental nuclear detonation up by the Chinese border is all kinds of bad bad bad.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 17, 2017 04:00 PM (mf5HN)

238 That feels more like a Taco Bell joke...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 03:55 PM (ELUpj)

Well... they did win the Fast Food Corporate War...

Posted by: Demolition Man at March 17, 2017 04:00 PM (NgKpN)

239 MacArthur wanted to solve this problem 65 years ago . Instead he was hustled out to pasture.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 17, 2017 04:00 PM (n3xLS)

240 194 Knock out the NorK's and there goes a serious part of Iran's weapons capabilities.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:12 PM (mbhDw)

________________________________________

China will find another country to do it for them. North Korea was an easy pick to do it but there are others they can get.
Posted by: Old Nam Vet at March 17, 2017 03:51 PM (bKxiT)


Hell, I'm surprised the French aren't there already, all things considered. Openly that is.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 04:01 PM (mbhDw)

241 See 187. the new generation hates us.
Posted by: Golfman at March 17, 2017 03:57 PM (48QDY)



Meh. In the 1980s there was a wave of leftist dupe "Students" who supposedly hated the USA too.

But the vast silent majority of South Koreans? Grateful we are there.

There were and still are frictions about the soldiers and the bar girls, but frankly, any place you have soldiers, sailors or airmen, you will have "camp followers" nearby. That goes stateside and in Europe as much as it does in Korea.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 17, 2017 04:01 PM (ujg0T)

242 237
The last I saw, and who knows if it's true or just propaganda games, a guy high enough to know about this stuff defected and said that Il is rushing ahead with a nuclear test and that the Norks do not know what they are doing and there is a strong chance that the test will fail as in blow themselves up and then all hell will break loose as the survivors flee pell mell to get away. Running the risk of getting shot by China is nothing compared to being irradiated.

Again, who knows if that's true but North Korea setting of an accidental nuclear detonation up by the Chinese border is all kinds of bad bad bad.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 17, 2017 04:00 PM (mf5HN)

=================

Ugh...that sounds so awful.

May the Kim dynasty end peacefully and swiftly.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 17, 2017 04:01 PM (ELUpj)

243 "Knock out the NorK's and there goes a serious part of Iran's weapons capabilities.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 03:12 PM (mbhDw)

________________________________________

China will find another country to do it for them. North Korea was an easy pick to do it but there are others they can get.
Posted by: Old Nam Vet at March 17, 2017 03:51 PM (bKxiT)"

--------

Pakistan is on standby.

Posted by: Decaf at March 17, 2017 04:01 PM (Tm3Ti)

244 Oh, nood egg mcmuffin

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 17, 2017 04:01 PM (KUaJL)

245 Chick Corea vs. Laary Correia. Now THAT'S what I call a Korean war.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 17, 2017 03:58 PM (W8bn5)

Out: IKEA
In: IKOREA

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 17, 2017 04:01 PM (wtvvX)

246 MacArthur wanted to solve this problem 65 years ago . Instead he was hustled out to pasture.
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 17, 2017 04:00 PM (n3xLS)

------

Lucky Bastard.

The had *me* whacked for the same thing.

Posted by: George Patton at March 17, 2017 04:01 PM (8XRCm)

247 Interesting topic, given my week at work receiving emails saying, "Yeah, that equipment we're supposed to get? Can we get an ETA on that?"

Posted by: Country Singer at March 17, 2017 04:01 PM (GUBah)

248 I'd have to dig out the map I got in Orientation. Don't know where that was at. I was over in 148. About 3 blocks from the Front Gate.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at March 17, 2017 03:56 PM


I was there in 2001. Pretty sad. It was all closed down and a shit load of weeds growing in the empty motor pools. Muzzis had taken over all the local gasthaus' and the only good place left to get a bier was the King of Flanders down off the old square.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2017 04:02 PM (0tfLf)

249 'Bloody Hyundai' is probably U2s Best Song.

Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2017 04:02 PM (4/95V)

250 The NORKS don't need to have developed nuclear capabilities. They can be used as a proxy for EMPs. It will take years, if ever, to find out who gave them the materials and who used them as proxies. Our subs across the globe would have to launch a strike against many countries after an attack. The loss of life in this country after a year would be 300 million and the world would be several billion.

This is not good for the world. This is why the NORKS must be dealt with.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 17, 2017 04:02 PM (2qHjF)

251 Hell, I'm surprised the French aren't there already, all things considered. Openly that is.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 04:01 PM (mbhDw)

_________________________________________

These are interesting times J.J.

Posted by: Old Nam Vet at March 17, 2017 04:03 PM (bKxiT)

252 Have they considered opening a Kentucky Fried
Chicken place in NK? A bucket of original recipe would give that fat
phuk in charge a whole new perspective on the west particularly for the
one or two countries where capitalism is still practiced.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 17, 2017 03:51 PM (kfcYC)


He went to school in Switzerland, IIRC.

He is a dictator, and the only limits to his power are physics and his generals.

I suspect one of his reasons for murdering his relatives so openly is to make sure there is no-one else around who could serve as a nucleus for leadership in the aftermath of a coup.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 17, 2017 04:04 PM (WQX/u)

253 239 MacArthur wanted to solve this problem 65 years ago . Instead he was hustled out to pasture.
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 17, 2017 04:00 PM (n3xLS)


The Chi-Coms, though vast in number, had no nukes and no strategic bombers or ICBMs (although we only had the B-29 at that time and the BUFF was only just approved for production in '52). And the Russkies only just exploded a Rosenberg-stolen nuke.

We had them both by the short hairs and Truman wimped out. Then again, it might have given the green light for the Russkies to nuke Europe and roll in. And the Islamo-Nazis were still on the horizon.

What a fucked up world, pace Satchmo.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 04:04 PM (mbhDw)

254 Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 17, 2017 04:01 PM (ujg0T)

*types

*deletes

Posted by: Golfman at March 17, 2017 04:04 PM (48QDY)

255
YOU AND I IN A LITTLE TOY SHOP

BUY A BAG OF BALLOONS WITH THE MONEY WE GOT!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 17, 2017 03:25 PM


Heh. My local radio station just did a St. Patrick's Day spoof of that called "99 Drunk Buffoons".

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2017 04:04 PM (p+Wdc)

256 251 These are interesting times J.J.
Posted by: Old Nam Vet at March 17, 2017 04:03 PM (bKxiT)

Your nic means all due respect, sir. And yes indeed. Interesting to say the least. Thank G-d Hillary is at the wheel.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 04:06 PM (mbhDw)

257 See 187. the new generation hates us.
Posted by: Golfman at March 17, 2017 03:57 PM (48QDY)
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So did the older generation. They would have been unified if we weren't there! The only reason North Korea threatens them is because of U.S. troops stationed there against the wishes of the people! Etc. etc.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 17, 2017 04:06 PM (EnKk6)

258 I'm thinking the scenario that we may have to deal with is a single nuke over South Korea. Just one...
Now what do we do?
The South?
China...Japan...Russia?

Interesting times indeed.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2017 04:06 PM (0tfLf)

259 Iran was put on notice a few weeks back, what has happened since then? Are they doing anything? I would like to think so but who knows.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2017 04:06 PM (39g3+)

260 Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 17, 2017 04:02 PM (2qHjF)


I don't see the Rooskies or the Chinese using an EMP. They want the natural resources and destroying our grid makes their actually getting those resources a PITA. Much easier to disable the grid via cyber in a manner that it could be much more easily resurrected after conquest.

The Norks and Iranians OTOH, aren't thinking any further than Death to the Great Satan.

Posted by: Country Singer at March 17, 2017 04:07 PM (GUBah)

261 249 'Bloody Hyundai' is probably U2s Best Song.
Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2017 04:02 PM (4/95V)


"Seoul Man" by Sam and Dave is right up there.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2017 04:07 PM (mbhDw)

262 Can a civilized democratic society absorb those who are brainwashed and have been brainwashed for decades?

Will Twinkies help? After all the general population is eating tree bark.

Posted by: Paladin at March 17, 2017 04:07 PM (ycm4Q)

263 "Again, who knows if that's true but North Korea setting of an accidental nuclear detonation up by the Chinese border is all kinds of bad bad bad.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 17, 2017 04:00 PM (mf5HN)"

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I would call it poetic justice.

Posted by: Decaf at March 17, 2017 04:07 PM (Tm3Ti)

264 an accidental nuclear detonation

That's "accidental".

Posted by: SneakyLLC (Tokyo office) at March 17, 2017 04:08 PM (FhXTo)

265 The Chi-Coms, though vast in number, had no nukes and no strategic bombers or ICBMs (although we only had the B-29 at that time and the BUFF was only just approved for production in '52). And the Russkies only just exploded a Rosenberg-stolen nuke.

We had them both by the short hairs and Truman wimped out. Then again, it might have given the green light for the Russkies to nuke Europe and roll in.



For it's time, the B-36 "Six Turning and Four Burning", was available, finally retired in 1959 once enough BUFFs were ready.

And Korea was still seen as a diversion from Europe.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 17, 2017 04:08 PM (ujg0T)

266 Also Empress read the 9th rebuke linked above, but not if your wearing your good don't roll around in it clothes.

Posted by: DaveA at March 17, 2017 04:09 PM (FhXTo)

267 I'm not sure the North Koreans would notice if we nuked them. What would change? No power, no food, no health care, misery?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2017 04:09 PM (39g3+)

268 261 249 'Bloody Hyundai' is probably U2s Best Song.
Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2017 04:02 PM (4/95V)


"Seoul Man" by Sam and Dave is right up there.


_______________________________

"Wang Dang Sweet Pyongyang" by Ted Nugent.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 17, 2017 04:10 PM (4AVeu)

269 "Wang Dang Sweet Pyongyang" by Ted Nugent.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 17, 2017 04:10 PM (4AVeu)

I tried.

You succeeded.

Posted by: Golfman at March 17, 2017 04:11 PM (48QDY)

270
No, same war.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
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It is ongoing.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison


We're living in the half time show right now.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 17, 2017 04:12 PM (IqV8l)

271 >>>58 For God's sake. Now up to 10,000 fucking bag pipes.

Posted by: Sam at March 17, 2017 03:18 PM (Lat75)

Where are you getting that from?

Posted by: m at March 17, 2017 04:13 PM (3jGss)

272

" We're going from completely different perspectives but I actually agree with Bernie Sanders here:

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.) implied in a recent interview that the Democratic Party is like the ill-fated Titanic, adding that some Democrats want to go along with the "status quo" and sink with the ship.

"Certainly there are some people in the Democratic Party who want to maintain the status quo," Sanders told the New York Times Magazine when asked "if he thought the Democratic Party knew what it stood for."

"They would rather go down with the Titanic so long as they have first-class seats," Sanders continued.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 17, 2017 03:28 PM "

______

Change Democrat to Republican.

Absent DJT, does anyone see a difference?

Posted by: rd at March 17, 2017 04:13 PM (iT57s)

273 "The NORKS don't need to have developed nuclear capabilities. They can be used as a proxy for EMPs. It will take years, if ever, to find out who gave them the materials and who used them as proxies. Our subs across the globe would have to launch a strike against many countries after an attack. The loss of life in this country after a year would be 300 million and the world would be several billion.

This is not good for the world. This is why the NORKS must be dealt with."

---------

Norks are Chinese proxies and they will not be dealt with unless the Chinese wish it.

In my opinion we should do nothing but if a missile is launched at Hawaii, CONUS or Japan then nuke 'em.

Posted by: Decaf at March 17, 2017 04:15 PM (Tm3Ti)

274 Time to pull out of mothballs and polish up some JDAM Smart Spears...

Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at March 17, 2017 04:18 PM (7A6l6)

275 Happy St. Patrick's Day!

Here's Shaun Davey's excellent version of "The Parting Glass" [raises tasty mixed beverage to late grandparents]:

https://youtu.be/xDB87o-njFQ

--and the rest of the wonderful Waking Ned Devine soundtrack (which, by the way, should be in the Moron Movie Hall of Fame):

http://tinyurl.com/lsjdq7t

Posted by: logprof at March 17, 2017 04:20 PM (GsAUU)

276 What I don't understand, and I know little about federal appellate procedure, is whether this panel is just farting into the wind for shits and giggles or whether this actually means something.Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 17, 2017 03:37 PM (Nwg0u)
The recent immigration decisions have been so bad there has been talk about breaking up the 9th Circuit, from which all these guys wield tremendous and outsized authority.
DJT, the House GOP, and the Senate GOP have all made some level of intention to break it up in the last month.
They are trying to save their judicial sinecure.

Posted by: Not Alexander Hamilton at March 17, 2017 04:46 PM (tQSaB)

277 @147: "What I don't understand, and I know little about federal appellate
procedure, is whether this panel is just farting into the wind for shits
and giggles or whether this actually means something."

Means utterly nothing.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 17, 2017 04:52 PM (rznWS)

278 'Kor-ea
Kor-ea
Kor-ea

I just met a girl named

Kor-ea'
Posted by: Nork Side Story at March 17, 2017 03:27 PM (4/95V)

How do you solve a problem like Korea?

Posted by: JuJuBee at March 17, 2017 04:58 PM (dargh)

279 restart the liberator pistol line and drops tens of thousands into north korea, especially the prison camps.

Posted by: Mark Abrams at March 17, 2017 06:00 PM (2YxGq)

280 "Strategic Bedwetting" would have been more effective than Strategic Patience.

Posted by: Smokestack at March 17, 2017 06:45 PM (3e/Uq)

281 What's *not* being said out loud is that the Nork nuke program is acting as a proxy for the Iranians.

The dirty little secret... the core of the Iranian development / research program is in Nork-land, and safely beyond the reach of the Mossad & the IDF.

The only thing happening in Iran is the processing of the needed materials, and they had 8+ years to harden the infrastructure.

The stakes are far, far higher than you realize... if you think a chubby psycho waving nukes is scary, wait until you have to face the Twelvers in Iran with nukes, and EMP devices.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at March 17, 2017 07:06 PM (ry4ab)

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