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OMB Director Mulvaney: This is a Hard Power Budget, Not a Big Bird Budget

Nice framing of the question:

"One of the questions we asked was can we really continue to ask a coal miner in West Virginia or a single mom in Detroit to pay for these programs? The answer was no," he said. "We can ask them to pay for defense, and we will, but we can't ask them to continue to pay for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting."

One strange thing about Trump, which no one really knows what to make of yet, is that he is liberalish on some issues (like Trumpcare -- don't pin that all on Ryan), and yet is the embodiment of what the Establishment squishes deride as "Talk Radio Entertainment Wing conservatism" on the other.

The fact that they deride stuff like zeroing out NPR and the NEA s being Talk Radio Entertainment Wing conservatism -- despite having the candidates they work as consultants for parrot those same lines during campaigns -- a tells you a lot about their own brand of insincere conservatism. They like to posture as True Conservatives, but then, when a president pushes the very sorts of things they have instructed their candidates to insincerely campaign on, they start hemming and hawing.

They like trickin' the hicks while patting themselves on the back for being so much more clever and enlightened than the hicks to actually believe the crap they're peddling to the hobbit wack-a-doos.

This is why Trump's hucksterism and sometimes-painfully-obvious insincerity didn't bother some of us as much as it did others -- the GOP has been guilty of the same hucksterism and painfully-obvious insincerity for years.

Why should we deem Trump unfit for office because of his phony positioning, when we dutifully re-elect John "Build the Dang Fence" McCain every six years?

The people pretending to be the True Conservative Crying Eagle Brigade can't accuse Trump of peddling phony conservatism if they themselves join with progressives to block some fairly common-sensical (and long-promised) government cuts.

And I gotta give this much to Trump: He is at least attempting to move the Overton Window on many issues the True Conservative Crying Eagle Brigade has long pretended to want to move themselves, if only they could do so.

Well fellas, you have your opportunity now. Trump has pushed that boulder a little bit. Not enough to move it, but enough to rock it a little bit so that it can be moved if a few more shoulders start pushing.

Are you gonna start pushing the boulder up the hill, or are you gonna go where it's safe, standing beside the progressives and the media (BIRM) to keep that boulder stuck in the same place it's been for 60 years?

Trump has a mix of virtues and flaws that make him dangerous -- dangerous to many things, including himself, the country, the GOP, but also dangerous to the current intolerable Standard Operating Procedure of Washington DC.

He's brazen, too rich and too egotistical to be easily cowed by insults and media attacks, impulsive, and ambitious to make a mark. (Observe the large "T's" on the many monuments he's built to himself.)

You don't get many presidents who are not only willing but eager to serve as lightning rods for criticism. He seems to enjoy bad press as much as good press.

This was a guy that few conservatives expected much from, and who will definitely disappoint us on many things. (Trumpcare being one; entitlement reform probably being another.)

But on the first hand -- not the other hand; this hand should be the first to be counted -- he is shockingly willing to defy the established liberal order and propose things that no conventional politician ever would.

I certainly did not expect him to propose some kind of Rand-Paul-like Stunt Budget as one of his first moves.

Are alleged conservative elected officials going to seize upon this moment -- which might never come again, as it's never really come before -- or are they going let it slip by, claiming, as they always do, "Well we really want to do that but (fading muttering about "political realities" and "the media")..."?

Obama was brazen. He was doctrinaire ideologue, as Paul Ryan called him, and he lied his way into imposing state-run health care on the nation, as his socialist party had been determined to do for 30 or 40 years.

It did cost him, no doubt -- he did lose the Congress.

Remember the spectacle of vulnerable Democrats begging Nancy Pelosi to be one of the handful of Democrats permitted to vote "no" on Obamacare? A few (like 7 or 12) got free passes to vote "no;" the others were ordered to fall upon their swords.

And they did fall upon their swords.

Obama and the Democrats seized that moment and risked the seats of their vulnerable members to make a change that, sadly, America will probably be at least partly saddled with forever.

They lied to the country, sure. But they kept all the promises they meant to keep.

So are we ever going to do that ourselves, or are we going to keep right on going with the plan to Make America Safe for Republican Incumbent Congressmen Again?

We don't even have to lie. We just have to actually follow through on things we've claimed to support for 30-40 years.

So: Do we really support these things, or not?

Because if you finally have the opportunity to get the things you claim you want -- or at least fight desperately to get them -- and you decide instead to let the country continue drifting towards socialism, you really don't get to run on these claims in the future, ever again.

Posted by: Ace at 04:31 PM




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1 First?

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at March 16, 2017 04:33 PM (CLKfs)

2 Heh.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at March 16, 2017 04:33 PM (CLKfs)

3 Mulvaney rocks.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 16, 2017 04:35 PM (fqERy)

4 Corgis called.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 16, 2017 04:36 PM (72PAC)

5 On the stuff that really matters, the tradeoff is completely worth it.

Amazing how the supposed rock-ribbed conservatives that have been leading never achieved a damn thing and just kept us going faster over the cliff.

But they talk a mean game about chained CPI increases.

Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 04:36 PM (v2I7b)

6 He's three steps ahead of these presstitutes.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 16, 2017 04:36 PM (fqERy)

7 Trump believes that being President is a duty, not a reward.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at March 16, 2017 04:37 PM (fKWf6)

8 Funny thing about Mulvaney, he came from the House where he was a budget ally of Ryan's and is now a big supporter of Trump's health care push. Enough with the purity crap, get as much as you can and come back for more later.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 04:38 PM (/tuJf)

9 Good stuff Ace, mighty good!

Thanks!

Posted by: Killerdog at March 16, 2017 04:38 PM (AReXo)

10 HE WANTS TO KILL BIG BIRD! WITH HIS BARE HANDS!!

Posted by: tu3031 at March 16, 2017 04:38 PM (qJhUV)

11 The press won't realize they were shanked until they fall into their
chowder bowl at lunch.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 16, 2017 04:38 PM (fqERy)

12 He's entertaining, even when I disagree with him. But what's even more entertaining is the left's (including many Repub politicians) reaction to him. It is to guffaw!

Posted by: kathysayso at March 16, 2017 04:39 PM (43OZ6)

13 Keep fvcking that Big Bird.

Posted by: Roland THTG at March 16, 2017 04:39 PM (QM5S2)

14 Mulvaney rocks.


Posted by: Under Fire at March 16, 2017 04:35 PM (fqERy)

Got to listen to him today for the first time for a few minutes at the presser. Plain speaking and straight forward. Loved his emphasis on America First. Count this guy (so far anyways) as another win for Trump and decent people.

Posted by: Country Boy at March 16, 2017 04:39 PM (Jcg9Q)

15 Crap, off GOPe squish sock!

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at March 16, 2017 04:40 PM (fKWf6)

16 All of this got a lot easier for me to sort out personally, when I decided I have no clue what the word "conservative" means, and stopped trying to adhere to someone else's definition of what it means.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 16, 2017 04:40 PM (TOk1P)

17 I can't really throw in with Trump because Omarosa was mean to April Ryan.

Posted by: kallisto at March 16, 2017 04:40 PM (nNdYv)

18 I'm fine with the transactional nature of the Trump Administration.

He doesn't have to really have to believe in these things, just give me what I want and I will give you what you want.

For too long, conservatives have been all about getting into office supposed "true believers" and believing that was the key, when I think it was simply finding someone smart enough to know how to cut some deals with the rank and file instead of the consultants.



Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 04:40 PM (v2I7b)

19 Sewing with Nancy will be missed.

Posted by: garrett at March 16, 2017 04:40 PM (YAd2u)

20 Take Big Bird out to the courtyard at dawn, offer him a cigarette and a prayer, and then put one right between the eyes. Problem solved.

Posted by: troyriser at March 16, 2017 04:40 PM (Fw5cQ)

21 So are we ever going to do that ourselves, or are we going to keep right
on going with the plan to Make America Safe for Republican Incumbent
Congressmen Again?



This is the thing. Term limits are the thing that would solve the whole problem but never will because who's gonna vote himself out of a job? Not anyone in Congress, that's who.

Posted by: huerfano at March 16, 2017 04:41 PM (jkkMG)

22
The press was oh-so-very-concerned about Meals on Wheels funding.

If the truth ever came out about that program the press would stfu in a minute.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 16, 2017 04:41 PM (ZFUt7)

23 I have here, in my hands, the actual contract taken out by Trump...to kill Big Bird.

Posted by: Rachel Maddow at March 16, 2017 04:42 PM (qJhUV)

24
Funny thing about Mulvaney, he came from the House where he was a budget
ally of Ryan's and is now a big supporter of Trump's health care push.
Enough with the purity crap, get as much as you can and come back for
more later.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 04:38 PM (/tuJf)


This is why I'm not freaking out about Trumpcare so far. Trump has demonstrated sound picks for the most part, and seems to actually care about reforming health care while at the same time not screwing over people with the change. Will I like everything? No. But I'm willing to give him a bit of leeway.

And honestly, a lot of the changes that would improve US health care are not related to the ACA.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at March 16, 2017 04:42 PM (fKWf6)

25 Count this guy (so far anyways) as another win for Trump and decent people.
====

Yeah, Mulvaney was impressive. I liked the emphasis on demonstrable results in a couple of his answers.

The gist was, "How can we defend taking your money to pay for some program, when we don't even have any evidence that says the program is working."

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 16, 2017 04:42 PM (PXbkt)

26 YES.


Think about this. Trump paid in ONE year more in income tax than Obama has ever paid in his life.



I'll bet more than almost every member of congress.



$38 million is $730,00 A WEEK.



Posted by: Sam at March 16, 2017 04:42 PM (lEhiV)

27 I grew up on PBS. I also recognize that most of the material I saw was not meaningfully funded by US.gov as much as through Carnegie style philanthropy, and that about half of the programs were brought in from outside. Oh, and it was before the fucking internet and before cable was really a thing, so there's that.

Posted by: Sporkatus at March 16, 2017 04:42 PM (eXSOZ)

28 >>He was doctrinaire ideologue



Sadly, we wouldn't let him be clear.

Posted by: garrett at March 16, 2017 04:42 PM (YAd2u)

29 Trump is bold and and the times call for boldness from the Right side. Boldness though is a trait I normally despise and I want it to be as temporary as possible. I'm just glad that Trump is using his boldness to move the Overton window in the right direction.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 16, 2017 04:43 PM (IDPbH)

30 I've said for years most of these so-called Republicans conservatives are phony. Most of them already stabbed the Tea Party in the back or sat by idly while they were savaged.

That was only the first indication they didn't really want the change they were squeaking about and got voted in on.

How can you not remember all the excuses from them. About what's "possible".

Most of these guys have a fair degree of constituents who feed like pigs at the public trough. You really think they are going to all of a sudden adopt a truly conservative , fiscally responsible posture.

Ha! If anything they are apostates of liberty.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 16, 2017 04:43 PM (6hoR5)

31 Somewhere a mutual dicksucking session between McCain, McMullin, and Lindsey Graham just came to a bad end when they heard about this.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 16, 2017 04:43 PM (3J/LN)

32 I'm thinking the Gates Foundation and Catherine P whatever folks (along with the Subaru and Volvo dealership locally) can pay for the stuff just fine.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 16, 2017 04:43 PM (/f1mm)

33 Ken Burns most hurt.

Posted by: TexasJew at March 16, 2017 04:43 PM (N7G17)

34 Heh heh. He said "hard." Heh heh heh.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 16, 2017 04:44 PM (0mRoj)

35 But clown shoes. And luap.

Posted by: Lord Sir x at March 16, 2017 04:44 PM (nFwvY)

36 it's not a zero sum game, and the options presented are a false dichotomy.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 16, 2017 04:44 PM (WTSFk)

37 Trump sort of reminds me of Teddy Roosevelt.


Rich, bold, takes no shit.


Posted by: Sam at March 16, 2017 04:44 PM (lEhiV)

38 Ken Burns most hurt.

Posted by: TexasJew at March 16, 2017 04:43 PM



Bill Moyers mortally wounded.

Posted by: huerfano at March 16, 2017 04:44 PM (jkkMG)

39 I'm having serious trouble believing reality these days.

What kind of April Fools stories will there be this year?

Every other news item appears to be written by The Onion.

Anyone else having credulity issues?

Posted by: hambone at March 16, 2017 04:44 PM (PjWy4)

40 >>And honestly, a lot of the changes that would improve US health care are not related to the ACA.

True.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 04:44 PM (/tuJf)

41 >>>8 Funny thing about Mulvaney, he came from the House where he was a budget ally of Ryan's and is now a big supporter of Trump's health care push. Enough with the purity crap, get as much as you can and come back for more later.

i'd like to see the Trumpcare/Ryancare bill defeated myself.

Start over, and start a few more steps to the right.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2017 04:45 PM (8rNrN)

42 Has Mattis stupidly chimed in on this yet?

Cause he's 0-2 with me so far.

Posted by: TexasJew at March 16, 2017 04:45 PM (N7G17)

43 It's the cost of Heakthcare more than the cost of Healthcare insurance that is the problem.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 16, 2017 04:45 PM (IDPbH)

44 ... wow, i've never used either "false dichotomy" or "zero sum game" in a sentence and used both in one!

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 16, 2017 04:45 PM (WTSFk)

45 hobbit wack-a-doos.

Hey I'm still taller than I am wide and the hair is growing out of my ears not my feet.

Posted by: DaveA at March 16, 2017 04:46 PM (FhXTo)

46 >>>. Boldness though is a trait I normally despise and I want it to be as temporary as possible.

why do you despise it? Seems odd.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2017 04:46 PM (8rNrN)

47 This is why I'm not freaking out about Trumpcare so far. Trump has demonstrated sound picks for the most part, and seems to actually care about reforming health care while at the same time not screwing over people with the change. Will I like everything? No. But I'm willing to give him a bit of leeway.

And honestly, a lot of the changes that would improve US health care are not related to the ACA.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at March 16, 2017 04:42 PM (fKWf6)

And really, I have no idea how to fix healthcare (and neither does pretty much anybody else), so at some point it DOES become possible for people on this side (whatever that is) to move away from "we're gonna kill Obamacare," and into the realm of what we're actually for, and will actually do.

Most of the criticism I hear of this plan is that it doesn't kill Obamacare dead enough, and frankly, that's not quite as helpful as some people think it is.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 16, 2017 04:46 PM (TOk1P)

48 Ace: "But on the first hand -- not the other hand; this hand should be the first to be counted -- he is shockingly willing to defy the established liberal order and propose things that no conventional politician ever would."

We should never attribute the word "politician" to Trump. He isn't one. He ran for a job, not a sinecure. He's running the office like an executive because that's what he is. He may do political events, but he'll never be a politician.

And that's why he's historic.

Everyone else is a cynical rerun. They'll willingly take the opportunity to miss this opportunity. Something about stripes, zebras yada yada.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 16, 2017 04:46 PM (1CroS)

49 Whatever you call Ryan's bill... I hope it goes down in flames soon.



As to the rest... it is good to see a R President not cowering.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2017 04:46 PM (3JA/M)

50 It will be a great day when B-2 bombers have gold plated toilet seats and Big Bird has to suck dick for pocket change.

Posted by: fuffy at March 16, 2017 04:46 PM (jw2Xw)

51 Hey now, Kill that yellow mother fucker not me.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 16, 2017 04:46 PM (jsWA8)

52 I want to see Big Bird kicked in the ass like Randy Quaid kicked Chevy Chase's boss in Christmas Vacation.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 16, 2017 04:47 PM (6hoR5)

53 Mulvaney sliced through the reporters BS today like a Ginsu knife.

Posted by: WisRich at March 16, 2017 04:47 PM (hdpay)

54 >>i'd like to see the Trumpcare/Ryancare bill defeated myself.

>>Start over, and start a few more steps to the right

What does that mean exactly? What is not in the first phase of this bill that you would like to see in it?

Again, knowing it is being done under budget reconciliation rules and therefore only budgetary issues can be included in this phase.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 04:47 PM (/tuJf)

55 And this: "But Obama and the Democrats seized that moment and risked the seats of
their more vulnerable members to make a change that, sadly, America will
probably be at least partly saddled with forever."



Is only true if we allow it to be true.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2017 04:47 PM (3JA/M)

56 >>> Has Mattis stupidly chimed in on this yet?

Cause he's 0-2 with me so far.

...

yeah i've said i wasn't really down with this guy.

A friend of mine who's in the know dismissed him as "a general." What he meant was generals must be political, in the sense of giving something to this side and something to that side. They usually just don't have the sort of committed ideological side you'd get from a civilian. It's bred out of them, or the ones who had it were pushed out of the service before they could make general.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2017 04:48 PM (8rNrN)

57 Ken Burns most hurt.

Posted by: TexasJew at March 16, 2017 04:43 PM


Bill Moyers mortally wounded.

Posted by: huerfano at March 16, 2017 04:44 PM (jkkMG)


OMG, they killed Lampchop! You bastages!!

Posted by: Zombie Sherry Lewis at March 16, 2017 04:48 PM (TOk1P)

58 Pussycat....of course you wanna kill the big bird.

Posted by: That guy from It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World at March 16, 2017 04:48 PM (qUNWi)

59 Slow roasted Big Bird with seven side dishes of Winning.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 16, 2017 04:48 PM (pvhCU)

60 i'd like to see the Trumpcare/Ryancare bill defeated myself.

Start over, and start a few more steps to the right.
Posted by: ace
______


I'm conflicted on this because my fear is the longer we stretch this out, the more Republicans get scared and jump ship.

Paul Ryan absolutely fucked this up though no doubt.

But if it's the status quo versus this, I will take Ryan's plan. Especially if it's needed for further tax reform.

Trump though does share much of the blame, he had the momentum to kill ObamCare on Day 1.

Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 04:49 PM (v2I7b)

61 is jack sock Irish? Because the Irish people I know use the word "bold" to mean "rude."

Which i guess it does mean, sort of, in American English too, but we usually don't think of it that way.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2017 04:49 PM (8rNrN)

62 What does that mean exactly? What is not in the first phase of this bill that you would like to see in it?



Again, knowing it is being done under budget reconciliation rules
and therefore only budgetary issues can be included in this phase.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 04:47 PM (/tuJf)

Jack... nobody believes you or congress when you all talk of phases. We are not content with being promised payment Tuesday and we are not going to attempt to kick that football no matter how many times Ryan and Trump say "we won't pull it away this time... we swear"

Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2017 04:50 PM (3JA/M)

63 Like I said, if this takes down that whiny little prick Caillou and his obnoxious family, take whatever you need.

Posted by: tu3031 at March 16, 2017 04:50 PM (qJhUV)

64 >>>Paul Ryan absolutely fucked this up though no doubt.


i don't think it was ryan, mostly. I think it was ryan working with Trump. Trump campaigned on his promise to replace Obamacare with an even BETTER government run alternative.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2017 04:50 PM (8rNrN)

65 53
Mulvaney sliced through the reporters BS today like a Ginsu knife.

Posted by: WisRich at March 16, 2017 04:47 PM (hdpay)

Charlotte Catholic High boy made good!

Posted by: Sam at March 16, 2017 04:50 PM (lEhiV)

66 >>Trump though does share much of the blame, he had the momentum to kill ObamCare on Day 1.

How?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 04:50 PM (/tuJf)

67 Again, Rush has this nailed. Trump is not idealogical, just logical. He's not a politician out of the old cookie-cutter mold. He's probably going to do some things that's going to piss everyone off and he more than likely won't care because, unlike most politicians, I think he's looking well beyond the next election cycle.

It's obvious he loves this country. I find that most refreshing. He's a stark contrast to most everyone there in DC.

Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2017 04:50 PM (5kCfJ)

68 I am shocked that Trump, who I understood to be left-wing, leaning a bit right, has turned out to be one of the most staunchly conservatives I have seen in my lifetime.
He has taken an ax to so many needlessly subsidized programs, it is astonishing. Really. The man means business. I feel like I am in a dream.

Posted by: washrivergal at March 16, 2017 04:51 PM (Ivjge)

69 Now is the time to fight. If your rep doesn't fight, send your money to someone else.

Good post, Ace.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 16, 2017 04:51 PM (zsHGH)

70 "We can ask them to pay for defense, and we will, but we can't ask them
to continue to pay for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting."



But....but.....but....Joe Sixpack and Jane Bedazzling just love them some highbrow Brit drama. And if they don't, well by God, we'll make them watch it anyway. Pay for it at least.

Posted by: pep channeling libs at March 16, 2017 04:51 PM (LAe3v)

71 I'm conflicted on this because my fear is the longer we stretch this out, the more Republicans get scared and jump ship.



Paul Ryan absolutely fucked this up though no doubt.



But if it's the status quo versus this, I will take Ryan's plan. Especially if it's needed for further tax reform.



Trump though does share much of the blame, he had the momentum to kill ObamCare on Day 1.

Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 04:49 PM (v2I7b)

I will take the status quo for the win over Ryan's bill that allows ALL the bad of Obamcare to continue under a renaming scheme. Leave it and let it collapse.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2017 04:52 PM (3JA/M)

72 And really, I have no idea how to fix healthcare (and neither does
pretty much anybody else), so at some point it DOES become possible for
people on this side (whatever that is) to move away from "we're
gonna kill Obamacare," and into the realm of what we're actually for,
and will actually do.



Most of the criticism I hear of this plan is that it doesn't kill
Obamacare dead enough, and frankly, that's not quite as helpful as some
people think it is.


The problem is that Obamacare wasn't just a bunch of new laws, it was a massive replacement of existing regulations as well. The healthcare system that existed in 2009 no longer exists. You can't just repeal the ACA and reset everything back to the way it was.

Personally, I'd love to see malpractice reform, medical education reform, and a push to demand other countries allow higher drug prices so that they share some of the RnD costs, along with streamlining the FDA approval process. Change incentives to encourage health savings accounts rather than employer-based insurance.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at March 16, 2017 04:52 PM (fKWf6)

73 I'm conflicted on this because my fear is the longer we stretch this out, the more Republicans get scared and jump ship.

Paul Ryan absolutely fucked this up though no doubt.

But if it's the status quo versus this, I will take Ryan's plan. Especially if it's needed for further tax reform.

Trump though does share much of the blame, he had the momentum to kill ObamCare on Day 1.
Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 04:49 PM (v2I7b)
----

Agreed. You've got to punch it through. Don't let perfect get in the way of better.

If the R's don't do anything with Obamacare, it's over for them. They'll lose the majority in '18 and Trump won't be able to implement his agenda.

And you know what, Trump has a lot of "Agenda" I'd like see implemented.

Posted by: WisRich at March 16, 2017 04:52 PM (hdpay)

74 >>Jack... nobody believes you or congress when you all talk of phases. We are not content with being promised payment Tuesday and we are not going to attempt to kick that football no matter how many times Ryan and Trump say "we won't pull it away this time... we swear"

Frankly, I don't care if you believe me or not. Did you bother to listen to Trump last night where he firmly wrapped his arms around this process because he is at least smart enough to know there are not 60 votes in the Senate to do a complete repeal?

I'm sure you didn't because you just want to keep screaming about something you can't seem to understand is not possible and would never have happened. I'm not a fan of failure theater. I want results.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 04:52 PM (/tuJf)

75 46 >>>. Boldness though is a trait I normally despise and I want it to be as temporary as possible.

why do you despise it? Seems odd.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2017 04:46 PM (8rNrN

We may have a different definition of boldness. I don't think being bold is the same as being brave as many do. Boldness to me is base on ego and narcissism .

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 16, 2017 04:52 PM (IDPbH)

76 I haven't heard Overton window in a while.

Back during the campaign, Trump was moving the Overton Window on a few things, especially Illegal Immigration. No other candidate was moving squat.

Trump also gave fairly detailed lists of what he'd do in office, especially the first 100 days, and he's been moving on all of it, despite having to fight MSM, Obama, Chuck Schumer, the GOPe, and the federal judiciary. Anyone with a working brain should know that Trump's campaign promises were best efforts and that he might not deliver 100% because of the array of forces lined up against him, but if you had any faith in the guy you'd know he'd give it 100%.

And he was clear that he'd be a squish on vested entitlements and that the Obamacare fix couldn't leave people dying in the streets.

So how can anyone call Trump a huckster guilty of phony positioning.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 16, 2017 04:53 PM (SIY7D)

77 i think you can make a case for defunding the arts on ideological grounds, but as a cost saving measure it's not very persuasive given the numbers involved.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 16, 2017 04:53 PM (WTSFk)

78 The fucking muppets are a multi million or multi billion dollar toy licensing company. Paying them to be on Sesame Street is like a movie studio paying Pepsi to have a can of their sody water in a flick, ass backwards.

Posted by: Lord Sir x at March 16, 2017 04:53 PM (nFwvY)

79 Guess what, Trump likes winning results.

The Washington DC Process, sometimes known as the Shakedown Jive, does not produce winning results.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 16, 2017 04:53 PM (pvhCU)

80 Speaking of cuts... My hair-cutter took too much off and I've looked on the internet for ways to boost hair growth, two of which are to stand on your head for 5 minutes a day and to increase blood-flow to scalp, and to eat eggs. Anybody have luck trying these methods?

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 16, 2017 04:53 PM (2M2/8)

81 He has taken an ax to so many needlessly subsidized programs, it is astonishing. Really. The man means business. I feel like I am in a dream.


I think he's a liberal who somehow miraculously has common sense.

It's like if your cat started talking to you.

Posted by: That guy from It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World at March 16, 2017 04:54 PM (qUNWi)

82 69
Now is the time to fight. If your rep doesn't fight, send your money to someone else.



Good post, Ace.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 16, 2017 04:51 PM (zsHGH)

Yes, it has begun. The Left knows it and we are just sort of laying low.

We are going to dismantle all the fcking socialist shit that we have been paying for for 40 years.

No more commie TV news shows. Gone bitches, GONE

Posted by: Sam at March 16, 2017 04:54 PM (lEhiV)

83 Calendar No. 78 113TH CONGRESS 1ST SESSION H. R. 45

Effective as of the enactment of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Public Law 111-14), such Act is repealed, and the provisions of law amended or repealed by such Act are restored or revived as if such Act had not been enacted.

Posted by: 2013 Republican Bills at March 16, 2017 04:54 PM (/f1mm)

84 i don't think it was ryan, mostly. I think it was ryan working with Trump. Trump campaigned on his promise to replace Obamacare with an even BETTER government run alternative.
Posted by: ace
________

Maybe so, I don't know what happens behind the scenes. But for a supposed policy wonk, Ryan's plan seemed awfully ham-handed.

Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 04:54 PM (v2I7b)

85 >>>>This was a guy that few conservatives expected much from, and who will
definitely disappoint us on many things. (Trumpcare being one;
entitlement reform probably being another.)
.
.
.Every single time he was asked during the campaign about entitlement reform he said it was not going to happen if he was President. Not sure why people still keep bringing that up.

And yes Ace I know it is a 800 pound gorilla disaster that is going to happen soon, but he would not have been elected if he had said anything about entitlement reform and that would have given hillary exactly the ammo she needed to win.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 16, 2017 04:54 PM (le7jz)

86 i think you can make a case for defunding the arts on ideological grounds, but as a cost saving measure it's not very persuasive given the numbers involved.

Every dollar counts. Especially when all the dollars go to Marxists, as is the case with the arts.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 16, 2017 04:54 PM (3J/LN)

87 >>>77 i think you can make a case for defunding the arts on ideological grounds, but as a cost saving measure it's not very persuasive given the numbers involved.

if you can't grab the low hanging fruit, which fruits are you actually capable of grabbing?

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2017 04:55 PM (8rNrN)

88 Funny thing is Sesame Street would probably make billions if it had to compete on commercial television.

But Sesame Street is has always been the carrot for Public Television. Left-wing documentaries and SJW fare are the stick.....

Posted by: JoeF. at March 16, 2017 04:55 PM (7uYFy)

89 Trump believes that being President is a duty, not a reward.
Posted by: Paul Ryan at March 16, 2017 04:37 PM (fKWf6)


Absolutely.

15 Crap, off GOPe squish sock!
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at March 16, 2017 04:40 PM (fKWf6)


Heh ....... was wondering about that.

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 16, 2017 04:55 PM (qoAfa)

90 Generally, in a person's signature, if the first letter of their last name is bigger than the first letter of their first name when written out, it means that they're proud of their family.

I'm guessing and feeling the giant T's signify pride in family, rather than personal glory.

/but what do I know?

Posted by: shibumi at March 16, 2017 04:56 PM (FkAXz)

91 Because if you finally have the opportunity to get the things you claim you want -- or at least fight desperately to get them -- and you decide instead to let the country continue drifting towards socialism, you really don't get to run on these claims in the future, ever again.

Remember, building the wall is actual Federal law. It's just that no one will vote to fund it and I am absolutely including the early 2000's Republican unified government.

Put up or shut up.

I'm so sick of the oh oh oh but we have no power, we need the House, I mean, if you give us the House then we'll have the power of the purse and then you'll see us work for what we say!

Oh, did we say we needed the House for the power of the purse? Well, we can't shut down the government, that's craaaazy talk. We have to have the Senate too.

Okay, well, surely you weren't so naive and uncultured as to fail to realize that if we don't have the House and Senate and Presidency, we can't do anything at all. Don't you know anything?

Look, we would love to do something now that we have the House and Senate and *grits teeth* President Trump but nothing can be done without 60 votes in the Senate. I mean, let's be realistic here.

I kinda want to see the Republicans get 60 seats in the Senate too, just to hear the shift to oh but the courts and *handwring* the agencies!

Look. I stopped claiming years ago that I was upset about being fat because I sure as hell never do anything to change it. I bring that up for no reason.

Posted by: alexthechick - so not For The Children at March 16, 2017 04:56 PM (dEQP3)

92 >>if you can't grab the low hanging fruit, which fruits are you actually capable of grabbing?


mish

Posted by: garrett at March 16, 2017 04:56 PM (YAd2u)

93 77 i think you can make a case for defunding the
arts on ideological grounds, but as a cost saving measure it's not very
persuasive given the numbers involved.



if you can't grab the low hanging fruit, which fruits are you actually capable of grabbing?

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2017 04:55 PM (8rNrN)

This.
If you can't even cut trivial programs, you will never cut anything.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2017 04:56 PM (3JA/M)

94 77 i think you can make a case for defunding the arts on ideological grounds, but as a cost saving measure it's not very persuasive given the numbers involved.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 16, 2017 04:53 PM (WTSFk)

No case needs to be made.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 16, 2017 04:56 PM (/f1mm)

95 >>>80 Speaking of cuts... My hair-cutter took too much off and I've looked on the internet for ways to boost hair growth, two of which are to stand on your head for 5 minutes a day and to increase blood-flow to scalp, and to eat eggs. Anybody have luck trying these methods?
Posted by: Serious Cat

...

I insist all discussion of nutty BroScience be reserved to the GAINZZZ threads.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2017 04:56 PM (8rNrN)

96
Maybe so, I don't know what happens behind the scenes. But for a supposed policy wonk, Ryan's plan seemed awfully ham-handed.





Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 04:54 PM (v2I7b)


The problem seems to be not that the Republicans don't have a plan, but that they have a bunch of plans and can't agree on which one to go with. Ryan is trying to get some consensus, while still keeping in line with Trump's stated priorities.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at March 16, 2017 04:56 PM (fKWf6)

97 Love him or hate him, I give him credit. He is actually fullfiling a promise made on the campaign trail.

Posted by: Picric at March 16, 2017 04:57 PM (s0VSd)

98 People are waking up from conspiracy theory to fact that we have one party..... And 99.9% are not invited.

Posted by: Phone of Widespread Pepe at March 16, 2017 04:57 PM (3cOA7)

99 80 Speaking of cuts... My hair-cutter took too much off and I've looked on the internet for ways to boost hair growth, two of which are to stand on your head for 5 minutes a day and to increase blood-flow to scalp, and to eat eggs. Anybody have luck trying these methods?
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 16, 2017 04:53 PM (2M2/

Ron Popeil spray on hair.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 16, 2017 04:57 PM (0mRoj)

100 There was Air Force 1. Then the F-35. You don't get the discount if you don't ask. And previous to this, those other guys in the White House or in Congress simply never asked. They didn't know how - or never imagined it could be done.

That's one of the many differences.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 16, 2017 04:58 PM (/WPPJ)

101 I am shocked that Trump, who I understood to be left-wing, leaning a bit right, has turned out to be one of the most staunchly conservatives I have seen in my lifetime.
He has taken an ax to so many needlessly subsidized programs, it is astonishing. Really. The man means business. I feel like I am in a dream.
--

He was elected because of conservative values and promises.

And... since he's a businessman, Not a Professional Politician, he is keeping his promises.

Basically, he was given a set of things we wanted done, he agreed, and now, he's trying to fulfill what he promised.

/I know, crazy, right?

Posted by: shibumi at March 16, 2017 04:58 PM (FkAXz)

102 You have to eat the eggs while you are standing on your head to maximize folical GAINZ!

Posted by: garrett at March 16, 2017 04:58 PM (YAd2u)

103 I will take the status quo for the win over Ryan's bill that allows ALL the bad of Obamcare to continue under a renaming scheme. Leave it and let it collapse.
Posted by: redbanzai
________

The problem is, I could see a "collapsed" ObamaCare going on for another decade easily.

It's "collapsed" already, it just means the people that pay the bills pay more.

It's almost like a tax increase that keeps going up on its own. The people that don't pay taxes don't give a shit. they still get their free stuff. So Team Blue has no real incentive to fix it.

I also don't think Republicans can keep blaming Democrats if they can't fix something when they are in charge.

I want a 100% repeal, but so far it doesn't look like they have the votes for that because of people like Susan Collins and Rob Portman.

Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 04:58 PM (v2I7b)

104 So, PBS is going to lose it's subsidy?



They will go public with a stock offering and everyone will get rich. Mostly the government.

Posted by: Sam at March 16, 2017 04:58 PM (lEhiV)

105 They're going to put everyone at PBS and NPR in camps!!!!

Posted by: Sally Kohn at March 16, 2017 04:58 PM (PY9jH)

106 remember the old adage if you can find a business in the phone book doing what the g'ment proposes don't let the g'ment do it? I like the idea of stopping the feds from doing the things the states, counties and cities are doing. C-ya EPA.

Posted by: DanMan at March 16, 2017 04:58 PM (XTiHL)

107 I like how McDonalds insults him with little fingers (herr derr, you got small dick) on their twitter.

Yeah, how many guys have had penthouse pets (or whatever) claim you were the best lover they had in the daily mail.

trump runs on a different dimension.

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at March 16, 2017 04:58 PM (sOknj)

108
Look, we would love to do something now that we
have the House and Senate and *grits teeth* President Trump but nothing
can be done without 60 votes in the Senate. I mean, let's be realistic
here.



I kinda want to see the Republicans get 60 seats in the Senate too,
just to hear the shift to oh but the courts and *handwring* the
agencies!



Look. I stopped claiming years ago that I was upset about being fat
because I sure as hell never do anything to change it. I bring that up
for no reason.





Posted by: alexthechick - so not For The Children at March 16, 2017 04:56 PM (dEQP3)

The Senate can just have themselves some good old-fashioned filibusters until the old fart Dems fall out and have to be carried off the Senate floor. THEN they can pass the reforms we were promised.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2017 04:59 PM (3JA/M)

109 i think you can make a case for defunding the arts on ideological
grounds, but as a cost saving measure it's not very persuasive given the
numbers involved.


This is true, but the point is that if you aren't willing to tackle the obvious, indefensible, small-budget crap, what chance is there that you're serious about the big stuff?

It's the proverbial canary in the coalmine.

Posted by: pep at March 16, 2017 04:59 PM (LAe3v)

110 87 >>>77 i think you can make a case for defunding the arts on ideological grounds, but as a cost saving measure it's not very persuasive given the numbers involved.

if you can't grab the low hanging fruit, which fruits are you actually capable of grabbing?
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2017 04:55 PM (8rNrN

Jazz Apples.

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at March 16, 2017 04:59 PM (3cOA7)

111 I want a 100% repeal, but so far it doesn't look like they have the votes for that because of people like Susan Collins and Rob Portman.

Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 04:58 PM (v2I7b)

Rubio just told me they control the budget.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 16, 2017 04:59 PM (/f1mm)

112 Haircuts are for suckers.

Posted by: Flowbee Enthusiast at March 16, 2017 04:59 PM (YAd2u)

113 The Ryan plan doesn't do anything to build trust and goodwill among the people needed to see it passed.

Pass the 2016 repeal again. Then talk replace.

Or better yet go all in and remove the filibuster or simply declare a full repeal bill as a reconciliation bill (they have that power).

Posted by: MAGA at March 16, 2017 04:59 PM (A4HOq)

114 Funny thing is Sesame Street would probably make billions if it had to compete on commercial television.

But Sesame Street is has always been the carrot for Public Television. Left-wing documentaries and SJW fare are the stick.....

Posted by: JoeF. at March 16, 2017 04:55 PM (7uYFy)


Even as a wee tyke, I hated... absolutely HATED Sesame Street. It was condescending, and I don't think I emerged from the womb gullible enough to think the so-called grown-ups on that show represented anything like the real world.

When I had children of my own, I never allowed them to watch PBS programming. Not one minute of it. Evar!

Posted by: BurtTC at March 16, 2017 04:59 PM (TOk1P)

115 i had some vague memory that Iron Maiden did a song called Damn the Torpedoes but it turns out it was just a Tom Petty album.

Question:

How can it be that Iron Maiden failed to write and record a song called "Damn the Torpedoes"? Seems like a no-brainer.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2017 05:00 PM (8rNrN)

116 How can it be that Iron Maiden failed to write and record a song called "Damn the Torpedoes"? Seems like a no-brainer.

****

Mandela Effect

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at March 16, 2017 05:00 PM (sOknj)

117 Look, we would love to do something now that we have the House and Senate and *grits teeth* President Trump but nothing can be done without 60 votes in the Senate. I mean, let's be realistic here.


I kinda want to see the Republicans get 60 seats in the Senate too, just to hear the shift to oh but the courts and *handwring* the agencies!
---

GOPe Translation: We don't want to be in charge and we don't want to get anything done, that's too much like "work." We just want to keep getting elected and get invited to the cool Democrat pedo parties at Comet Pizza.

Posted by: shibumi at March 16, 2017 05:00 PM (FkAXz)

118 The Irish use "bold" to mean "out of line." Rebels can be bold, in which case it's not always a bad thing. You may even hear it used that way in a song sung tomorrow

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 16, 2017 05:00 PM (SIY7D)

119 Funny thing is Sesame Street would probably make billions if it had to compete on commercial television.

But Sesame Street is has always been the carrot for Public Television. Left-wing documentaries and SJW fare are the stick.....
Posted by: JoeF. at March 16, 2017 04:55 PM (7uYFy)


What could be better? A government-funded indoctrination tool under the guise of ..."the children", that even the common sense folks would fall for because their kids loved it.

Glad I was past that point, when it appeared.

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 16, 2017 05:01 PM (qoAfa)

120 But Sesame Street is has always been the carrot for Public Television. Left-wing documentaries and SJW fare are the stick.....

Posted by: JoeF

---


I think the idea of the statists is that people would pay to watch Sesame Street, not so much for the other crap on PBS, so their fundraising will die off if Big Bird goes commercial.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 16, 2017 05:01 PM (7ZVPa)

121 OT: Did Spicer actually say anything different than appeals re: the ban EO?
I can't listen to reporters without seeing red. Who does transcripts?

Posted by: DaveA at March 16, 2017 05:01 PM (FhXTo)

122 By promising an Obamacare repeal, the Republicans were promising to break the filibuster to achieve it.

Posted by: MAGA at March 16, 2017 05:01 PM (A4HOq)

123
Ryan's health care plan was doomed from the start!

He published an already watered-down version that he felt would pass. He left no room for negotiation.

Ryan started at the Center and has Nowhere To Go But Leftwards now which he won't and cannot do because it puts us exactly back at square one, a.k.a. obamacare.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 16, 2017 05:01 PM (Wr3DZ)

124
As far as Meals on Wheels -- at the lowest level it's volunteers driving free food picked up from contributing entities then delivering said free food to shut ins.

So I'm not sure who is sucking up the government contribution. But someone is. Expect outrage.

Bank on it.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 16, 2017 05:02 PM (ZFUt7)

125 good point about OBama and obamacare.

Fuck the zero information voters. GOP being hate filled haters is baked in the cake, just like DNC being a bunch a socialist pantywaists. Earth didn't shatter so much when Obama let Gruber write a law for him to check the box to sign.

If Trump cuts shit and builds up defense, duh, no shock.

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at March 16, 2017 05:02 PM (sOknj)

126 Rubbing in CoC jizz while wearing gravity boots doesn't grow back hair. Try Rogaine.

Posted by: Karl Rove at March 16, 2017 05:02 PM (fqERy)

127

Paul Ryan has no Chops!

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 16, 2017 05:02 PM (Wr3DZ)

128 I insist all discussion of nutty BroScience be reserved to the GAINZZZ threads.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2017 04:56 PM (8rNrN)

Okay! You got it.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 16, 2017 05:02 PM (2M2/8)

129 How can it be that Iron Maiden failed to write and record a song called "Damn the Torpedoes"? Seems like a no-brainer.
---

Iron Maiden
Brits
British Navy
Uber swishy Monty Python men in tutus

Plus... "damn the torpedoes" might have a whole different meaning across the Pond, IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: shibumi at March 16, 2017 05:02 PM (FkAXz)

130 >>Pass the 2016 repeal again. Then talk replace.

That's exactly what is happening.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 05:02 PM (/tuJf)

131 Trump's loose support for Ryancare is disappointing, not damning, as it's Ryan's bill

Now if he signs that shit, that's a whole other matter. But until then, it is the establishment's bill.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 16, 2017 05:03 PM (3Liv/)

132 just kidding, serious cat.

but seriously in five days your hair will grow out. I don't think any hair-growth-promoting regimen, assuming any actually work, would even start to work by the time your hair had begun to grow out naturally.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2017 05:03 PM (8rNrN)

133 so it's all baked in the cake with trump. The zero information voters know, assume, whatever there's going to be muslim ban, a wall, budget stuff.

Fuck it, gop, get on board.*

* of course, the gop is the gop and refuses to defend the brand, let alone pushback when donks assault their voters or insane judges rewrite constitution. That would upset the apple cart. fuck em all.

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at March 16, 2017 05:04 PM (sOknj)

134 West Virginia beats Bucknell by 6

Posted by: tu3031 at March 16, 2017 05:04 PM (qJhUV)

135 "Ryan started at the Center and has Nowhere To Go But Leftwards now which he won't and cannot do because it puts us exactly back at square one, a.k.a. obamacare."

Which is why Ryan should get the blame!

Obviously he did not read Trump's book.

Posted by: nip at March 16, 2017 05:04 PM (L5nkE)

136 Cutting government spending is un-American and no true conservative would support it.

Posted by: Egg McMuffin at March 16, 2017 05:04 PM (OD2ni)

137 JackStraw, can you point me in the direction of an article defending the Trump/Ryan approach? I'd like to see the other side.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2017 05:05 PM (8rNrN)

138 To repeat the appeal:
Trump smash!
Trump not care!
98 0/0 agree with Trump!

Posted by: Calif. Guy at March 16, 2017 05:05 PM (loZXu)

139 Pass the 2016 repeal again. Then talk replace.

That's exactly what is happening.
Posted by: JackStraw

_______

I hope so, and I do blame Trump for much of this because had he stayed on that, it would have already been passed by now.

Once he opened that door, I knew we were screwed, it was like Ivanka took over

At the very least, even if full repeal goes down, we need these Republicans named and shamed. Good luck with your next primary.

Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 05:05 PM (v2I7b)

140 "They like to posture as True Conservatives, but then, when a president pushes the very sorts of things they have instructed their candidates to insincerely campaign on, they start hemming and hawing."

-----------

We have to protect our lunchtime quickie trysts in DC hotels.

Harrumph.

Posted by: Decaf at March 16, 2017 05:05 PM (Tm3Ti)

141 Can we talk about how hawt Sean Spicer sounded today bitch-slapping the press whores?

I heard the last 15 minutes of his press briefing, while driving home.

I nearly had to pull off the road to fan myself.

For such a nerdy little dude, he comes across as having quite a set of ballz.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 16, 2017 05:06 PM (PY9jH)

142
The problem is, I could see a "collapsed" ObamaCare going on for another decade easily.



It's "collapsed" already, it just means the people that pay the bills pay more.



It's almost like a tax increase that keeps going up on its own. The
people that don't pay taxes don't give a shit. they still get their
free stuff. So Team Blue has no real incentive to fix it.



I also don't think Republicans can keep blaming Democrats if they can't fix something when they are in charge.



I want a 100% repeal, but so far it doesn't look like they have the
votes for that because of people like Susan Collins and Rob Portman.

Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 04:58 PM (v2I7b)

It has been propped up thus far. Just leaving it and letting it collapse (with Trump holding the "penalties" in abeyance will allow free market work arounds to take hold. We are already seeing that to some extent with concierge medical services that are cash and carry.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2017 05:06 PM (3JA/M)

143 I will be double billed on Rachel Maddow and Chris Hayes tonight to agree with them that climate change deniers should be executed.

Posted by: Egg McMuffin at March 16, 2017 05:06 PM (OD2ni)

144 I'm tired of the same old republican foot dragging and lazy excuses. Ryan can either whip the herd into shape, or the republicans will get beat in the midterms.

If the House blows this opportunity hoards of people just like me will vote democrat - out of spite.

Posted by: 13times at March 16, 2017 05:06 PM (WHVu+)

145 In New Zealand a river was just granted personhood.
and you think we have problems.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 16, 2017 05:06 PM (fqERy)

146 So can one watch the press conference after it is over?

Posted by: Sam at March 16, 2017 05:06 PM (lEhiV)

147 >>Pass the 2016 repeal again. Then talk replace.



That's exactly what is happening.
---
Of course, as you've pointed out, that wasn't a repeal bill.

If you repeal a law, you erase it from the U.S. Code, which can be done in one sentence, much less one page. You don't add 26 pages of editing to it, signaling you have no intention of ever repealing it.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 16, 2017 05:06 PM (3Liv/)

148 hey NEA, try gofundme

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 16, 2017 05:06 PM (Om16U)

149
Funny thing about Testosterone -- it can cause both hair loss on the head and increase in hair growth on other parts of the body.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 16, 2017 05:07 PM (Wr3DZ)

150 Actually cutting Planned Parenthood would be permanent, as unlike Public Radio and NPR, that would likely never be reinstated by a future congress. Too hot for red-state democrats to go on record for funding PP.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 16, 2017 05:07 PM (2M2/8)

151 That's exactly what is happening.

--------

I wish. The Ryan bill is not the 2016 bill.

Posted by: MAGA at March 16, 2017 05:07 PM (A4HOq)

152 If the victories I get now make it possible to get the rest later, it's all good.

And I like what I see in that department so far.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at March 16, 2017 05:07 PM (9krrF)

153 "HE WANTS TO KILL BIG BIRD! WITH HIS BARE HANDS!!"

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At last we will find out what is mightier, yellow feathers or orange hair.

Posted by: Decaf at March 16, 2017 05:07 PM (Tm3Ti)

154 Funny thing about Testosterone -- it can cause both hair loss on the head and increase in hair growth on other parts of the body.


I fail to see the funny.

Posted by: eleven at March 16, 2017 05:08 PM (qUNWi)

155 If they aren't willing to cut PBS and Arts, do you really ever think they will cut entitlements?

But, but entitlements are the real money!

Entitlements are also promises and real money to Real People. Ryan and the "True Conservatives" can talk all day about entitlements, knowing that their seats are reasonably safe, because they know nothing will happen. Nothing! Will! Happen! Electoral STABILITY, right up until it all collapses.

Cut Bert and Ernie, and maybe I will believe you are really wanting to cut spending.

CUT IT ALL! Then when you go after Entitlements, every one knows that is all that is left.

Otherwise I know you are just another Lying Politician.

Posted by: rd at March 16, 2017 05:08 PM (iT57s)

156 140 "They like to posture as True Conservatives, but then, when a president pushes the very sorts of things they have instructed their candidates to insincerely campaign on, they start hemming and hawing."

+++

With a few exceptions, they are frauds and always will be frauds, worse even than their counterparts, the lib-tards - they don't even try to pretend.

Posted by: washrivergal at March 16, 2017 05:08 PM (Ivjge)

157 I'm not a policy wonk, but what I have heard in defense of Ryan's bill is it makes states in charge of MediCaid (like welfare reform did), gets rid of the individual mandate, defunds Planned Parenthood, and saves the taxpayer like $300 billion.

It also allows further tax reform to take place.

For the record, I think Paul Ryan is an open borders asshole and would like to see him lose his job.

I also think his bill will probably go down in defeat, but if this is the best they can pass, it's better than what we have now.

Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 05:08 PM (v2I7b)

158 The GOPe is not going to appreciate Trump trying to make them do what they always told us they wanted to do. What kind of rube is that guy?? Someone who thinks they actually MEAN what they SAY???

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 16, 2017 05:08 PM (oVJmc)

159 Pass the 2016 repeal again. Then talk replace.



That's exactly what is happening.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 05:02 PM (/tuJf)

No it is not.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2017 05:08 PM (3JA/M)

160 Trump hits them where it hurts... their TVs.

Posted by: not the mama at March 16, 2017 05:09 PM (EpAnP)

161 West Virginia beats Bucknell by 6

Posted by: tu3031 at March 16, 2017 05:04 PM (qJhUV)


I couldn't possibly care less about college basketball games, but don't you think it's possible some people have dvr'd these things and would prefer not to have scores reported here?

If people want the scores, I think they can find them elsewhere.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 16, 2017 05:09 PM (TOk1P)

162 We make the budgets....What we don't? We pass continuing resolutions.

Posted by: Little Marco Rubio at March 16, 2017 05:09 PM (cOHS7)

163 I am sure Jeb would have had a similar Budget proposal.....shit i just peed myself laughing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2017 05:09 PM (SjImc)

164 >>I hope so, and I do blame Trump for much of this because had he stayed on that, it would have already been passed by now.

It is. Lots of people around here with their hair on fire screaming that the Republicans should just pass a straight repeal vote like they did in 2016 because this time Trump will sign it!

Only problem is they did no such thing. They passed a reconciliation bill that is very similar to this one and then Obama of course vetoed it. The only things you go do in a reconciliation bill are budgetary issues, not legislative, so what they are doing is attacking the funding of Obamacare by chopping away at the taxes and mandates. Without them, Obamacare collapses faster. Then comes Price with his pen and phone and then comes legislation which will be a real heavy lift.

People should go back and listen to Trump's interview with Tucker last night. He gets it which is why he is onboard with this process and likely why he picked Price in the first place.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 05:09 PM (/tuJf)

165 I think Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner is as close as Maiden got to Damn the Torpedoes.

Which, is the last great Petty Album.

Posted by: garrett at March 16, 2017 05:10 PM (YAd2u)

166 >>>If they aren't willing to cut PBS and Arts, do you really ever think they will cut entitlements?

But, but entitlements are the real money!

Entitlements are also promises and real money to Real People. Ryan and the "True Conservatives" can talk all day about entitlements, knowing that their seats are reasonably safe, because they know nothing will happen. Nothing! Will! Happen! Electoral STABILITY, right up until it all collapses.


...

entitlements are where the real money is -- it's also where the biggest resistance is.

Anytime you even talk about limiting entitlements, people start saying "but you're giving six billion a year to Egypt!" and "But you're funding the NEA!"

So, like, you kinda need to make those cuts first to even start to have the conversation about entitlements.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2017 05:10 PM (8rNrN)

167 of course, trump should be spending more time kicking out obama deep state types that are still in fed jobs.

pwoerline had an article on a few that are still around

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at March 16, 2017 05:10 PM (sOknj)

168 YOU'RE ALL AGENTS FOR PUTIN!!!

Posted by: John "Mavrick Arnold" McCain at March 16, 2017 05:11 PM (oVJmc)

169 Funny thing about Testosterone -- it can cause both hair loss on the head and increase in hair growth on other parts of the body.

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I fail to see the funny.

Posted by: eleven at March 16, 2017 05:08 PM (qUNWi)


Might want to trim your eyebrows then.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 16, 2017 05:11 PM (TOk1P)

170 If we slash funding to the State department and foreign aid, and plow all of that money in the DoD, the message to the rest of the world is crystal clear.

Posted by: ghbucky at March 16, 2017 05:11 PM (D2q91)

171 I live in Michigan where counties that had not voted repub since Reagan all went Repub for Trump. Yesterday when Trump was here the UNIONS gave the workers the day to go see Trump-WITH FULL PAY. Trump has the unions scared and that is a huge step forward. Also our dem senator-Stabano- has started speaking (she does not usually, and does not even bother campaigning) so she is probably worried about the next election. Trump is a negotiator, so if he says he is cutting things by 100%, he has room to allow the GOPe and dem party to bargain him up to only 50% reduction.
Relax. He's got this.

Posted by: Chilling the most at March 16, 2017 05:11 PM (Cl52v)

172 I like Trumps initial budget. BUT I remember that Barky submitted socialist paradise budges stuffed so full of unfunded goodies that they were rejected unanimously in the senate every year.

I think/hope Trump understands that the presidents proposed budget does not happen so you submit something drastic and then you have room to move things in your intended direction while letting the opponents feel like they got somewhere during negotiations.

Posted by: PaleRider at March 16, 2017 05:11 PM (eASYU)

173 It has been propped up thus far. Just leaving it and letting it collapse (with Trump holding the "penalties" in abeyance will allow free market work arounds to take hold. We are already seeing that to some extent with concierge medical services that are cash and carry.
Posted by: redbanzai
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If Trump can get rid of the mandate and tax penalties, then that might be an option, but otherwise even in a collapsed state people like me will be left holding the bag with skyrocketing premiums.

It also does nothing about all the subsidies. Even if ObamaCare "collapses" people will still get their MediCaid and subsidies.

Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 05:11 PM (v2I7b)

174 Fck, tried to read press confrere, damn a lot of hist.

Posted by: Sam at March 16, 2017 05:12 PM (lEhiV)

175 Because if you finally have the opportunity to get the things you claim you want -- or at least fight desperately to get them -- and you decide instead to let the country continue drifting towards socialism, you really don't get to run on these claims in the future, ever again.

Well put. As others have said, the masks are coming off all over.

Posted by: rickl at March 16, 2017 05:12 PM (zoehZ)

176 I'm tired of the same old republican foot dragging and lazy excuses. Ryan can either whip the herd into shape, or the republicans will get beat in the midterms.

I keep seeing this and I have to ask the question:

"Do you really think that, those that put the Republicans back in power, are going to suddenly do a 180 and vote for the (D)Marxists?"

Maybe I'm not seeing something......

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 16, 2017 05:12 PM (qoAfa)

177 you really don't get to run on these claims in the future, ever again.

But they will because they think we won't remember. They could be right.

Posted by: Emmie at March 16, 2017 05:12 PM (5spkj)

178
Something else about Meals on Wheels (only continuing to harp on this because press was absolutely aghast today) is that they present a list of demands -- yes demands -- to entities providing free food. Which is where the food comes from. Free.

The phrase 'Beggars can't be choosers' doesn't seem to apply to a government which shakes down kitchens for free meals.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 16, 2017 05:12 PM (ZFUt7)

179 Might want to trim your eyebrows then.



Right?

Posted by: eleven at March 16, 2017 05:12 PM (qUNWi)

180 If we slash funding to the State department and foreign aid, and plow all of that money in the DoD, the message to the rest of the world is crystal clear.
Posted by: ghbucky at March 16, 2017 05:11 PM (D2q91)

Good. My 'Budget" at the DOD has gone down from 10 million to 2 million under Fredo.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2017 05:12 PM (SjImc)

181 yeah the Trump pre-existing condition thing ... they have to at least be in a separate pool. And purge the illegals please. The more conservative approach being offered seems to take care of the pre-existing thing in subsidized pools instead of jacking the people that are healthy and paid in for the last 20 years "for nothing".

But Trump with Tucker was talking about "in Phase three then costs will start to come down and we can do across state lines ...". But it goes up 20%/year till then, from already skyrocketed costs, which was the whole point of repeal. IF they kept it to that mine would have been $15K/yr plus the $6500 deductible (I dropped it and am investing in guns and butter)

There are several Dems wedging their way in to Trump Circle, more Goldman Sachs people, and Kuchner's lawyer being Jamie Gorelick raises another eyebrow (that's 12 raised eyebrows and counting). But at least Ivanka is staying good friends with Chelsea.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 16, 2017 05:12 PM (BrMft)

182 Consider what a huge cut in the federal workforce is going to mean to union enrollment.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 16, 2017 05:12 PM (oVJmc)

183 "Damn the Torpedoes" was said by an American admiral, John Paul Jones.

So naturally, Zeppelin would have done it.

Or stolen it from a 1920s blues song.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 16, 2017 05:13 PM (hqZPQ)

184 Next time on Nova watch how Big Bird gets the axe.

Posted by: dantesed at March 16, 2017 05:13 PM (88xKn)

185 "Do you really think that, those that put the Republicans back in power, are going to suddenly do a 180 and vote for the (D)Marxists?"

***

there is a gop consultant somewhere that believes that..."if you fight back against democrat attacks or vote for conservative policies, the moderates will join the Khmer Rouge"

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at March 16, 2017 05:13 PM (sOknj)

186 the moderates will join the Khmer Rouge"
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at March 16, 2017 05:13 PM (sOknj)

I don't look good in pajamas

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2017 05:14 PM (SjImc)

187 Get ready for non-stop media reports showing poor children who only access to educational TV is PBS. Its BS, but its coming. Trump has the spine for it, but the GOP Congress...

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 16, 2017 05:14 PM (OD2ni)

188 i am just glad they are cutting, i've been conditioned over the last 18 years to massive increases

and SeriousCat, shave your head. worked for Yul Brynner

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2017 05:14 PM (c6/9Q)

189 After we take away their place at the trough, go after their tax free status since they want to be partisans. Why should donations to them reduce someone's tax bill?

Posted by: Lord Sir x at March 16, 2017 05:14 PM (nFwvY)

190 At the very least, even if full repeal goes down, we need these Republicans named and shamed. Good luck with your next primary.


If you have not found a candidate to Primary these lying RINOS yet, you are way way behind schedule for the 2018 election.

Find someone now!!!

Otherwise your vote will be the Lying POS RINO, or the insane socialist Democrat in 2018.

Posted by: rd at March 16, 2017 05:14 PM (iT57s)

191 121 OT: Did Spicer actually say anything different than appeals re: the ban EO?
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Nope. May have been #FakeButArousingNews?

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 16, 2017 05:14 PM (PXbkt)

192 RE: O'care repeal.... I'll be content with anything that ends the odious mandate to buy health insurance. Also the mandate to provide it for employees.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 16, 2017 05:14 PM (2M2/8)

193
So, like, you kinda need to make those cuts first to even start to have the conversation about entitlements.


You said this 10 years ago.

And I said, but the millions here and billions there add up.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 16, 2017 05:14 PM (Wr3DZ)

194 Only problem is they did no such thing. They passed a reconciliation bill that is very similar to this one and then Obama of course vetoed it. The only things you go do in a reconciliation bill are budgetary issues, not legislative, so what they are doing is attacking the funding of Obamacare by chopping away at the taxes and mandates. Without them, Obamacare collapses faster. Then comes Price with his pen and phone and then comes legislation which will be a real heavy lift.

Posted by: JackStraw



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Difference is, that was failure theater. Easy to pass a bill you know will be vetoed.

I honestly don't believe the votes are there for a full repeal in the Senate now that it actually can be repealed by the PResident, enough time has passed that stalled out any momentum.

I'd love to be wrong though

Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 05:15 PM (v2I7b)

195 Might want to trim your eyebrows then.

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Right?

Posted by: eleven at March 16, 2017 05:12 PM (qUNWi)


And the left while you're at it.

True story: My contact lenses allow me to see fairly well, but I tolerate less that crisp vision because glasses give me a headache.

However, when I'm shaving and otherwise grooming, the glasses are a must, because precision is called for.

I cannot find a workable solution for eyebrows. Glasses block the way, and contacts aren't crisp enough.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 16, 2017 05:15 PM (TOk1P)

196 I'm not a policy wonk, but what I have heard in
defense of Ryan's bill is it makes states in charge of MediCaid (like
welfare reform did), gets rid of the individual mandate, defunds Planned
Parenthood, and saves the taxpayer like $300 billion.



It also allows further tax reform to take place.



For the record, I think Paul Ryan is an open borders asshole and would like to see him lose his job.



I also think his bill will probably go down in defeat, but if this is the best they can pass, it's better than what we have now.

Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 05:08 PM (v2I7b)

The Ryan bill allows Medicaid expansion to continue growing until 2020 AND then uses that as a base to block grant.
Ryan is fucking lying that it gets rid of either the individual mandate or the employer mandate. BOTH are still there. The only thing the Ryan bill does is sets the penalties to 0 (I am sure temporarily) and adds a 30% penalty to be paid to the insurance company if you get a policy and have been without insurance for 63 days or more before you get it. You can see this yourself if you look on page 84 of Ryan's draft bill.

The mandate is still there and so is the penalty language.

Defunding PP would be good but it is not nearly enough of a fix to justify any other real reform.

And this bill would save nothing as it just replaces the subsidy that taxpayers now pay with a refundable tax credit that taxpayers would also pay for.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2017 05:15 PM (3JA/M)

197 i think you can make a case for defunding the arts on ideological grounds, but as a cost saving measure it's not very persuasive given the numbers involved.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 16, 2017 04:53 PM (WTSFk)

I don't give a flying fuck if some program only costs 50 bucks a year. Cut the damn thing out. Enough of nickel and diming us to death.

Posted by: Country Boy at March 16, 2017 05:16 PM (Jcg9Q)

198

It's like keeping the border open. We can't secure the border (10 years ago) because it costs too much.

Since then, millions more have come (or had babies here).

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 16, 2017 05:16 PM (Wr3DZ)

199 If there is a funding cut, PBS can always show "Worker and Parasite"

Hocht Hech!

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 16, 2017 05:16 PM (hqZPQ)

200 Greetings:

I don't know how common this is, but out Frisco Bay way, the local CPB station spends about half the month doing the Jerry's Kids routine soliciting its viewers throughout the evening primetime hours for donations, both specific and general, for its "continuing operations". Interestingly, part of their pitch/ploy is to try to minimize the amount of support they get from the various levels of government wither directly (grants???) via advertising prices. Somewhere in there, there's a logic that the government isn't isn't extracting enough money from you for us so you should also send some to us directly.

Posted by: 11B40 at March 16, 2017 05:16 PM (evgyj)

201 "Do you really think that, those that put the Republicans back in power, are going to suddenly do a 180 and vote for the (D)Marxists?"

Maybe I'm not seeing something......

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC


No, but they might either stay home or fracture behind multiple rival replacements, allowing a Dem candidate the margin to sneak in.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at March 16, 2017 05:16 PM (9krrF)

202 There was a sternly worded letter in the local rag today decrying the potential loss of the Federal Medicaid funding to our state. I giggled thru most of it. Reap what you sow.

Posted by: Infidel at March 16, 2017 05:16 PM (uKRys)

203 .Every single time he was asked during the campaign
about entitlement reform he said it was not going to happen if he was
President. Not sure why people still keep bringing that up.

And
yes Ace I know it is a 800 pound gorilla disaster that is going to
happen soon, but he would not have been elected if he had said anything
about entitlement reform and that would have given hillary exactly the
ammo she needed to win.


Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 16, 2017 04:54 PM (le7jz)

One thing about entitlements -- spending will come down if millions of people now out of the workforce go back to work, millions of illegals leave the country, and millions of people on part-time to avoid Obamacare employer mandates go back to work full-time. Revenues will go up for the ones that are related to payroll, too (SS, Medicare, UE, etc.). So while it's not the kind of reform that needs to be done, it's at least improvement.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 16, 2017 05:16 PM (jK8Z7)

204 171,
Chilling the most at March 16, 2017 05:11 PM (Cl52v)


My late father-in-law called her "Stab-U-Now." He'd had dealings with her in the Detroit area political scene.

Posted by: geoffb5 at March 16, 2017 05:17 PM (d3wbb)

205 Frankly, I don't care if you believe me or not. Did
you bother to listen to Trump last night where he firmly wrapped his
arms around this process because he is at least smart enough to know
there are not 60 votes in the Senate to do a complete repeal?



I'm sure you didn't because you just want to keep screaming about
something you can't seem to understand is not possible and would never
have happened. I'm not a fan of failure theater. I want results.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 04:52 PM (/tuJf)

They don't need 60 votes for repeal no matter how many time you repeat that they do.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2017 05:17 PM (3JA/M)

206 there is a gop consultant somewhere that believes that..."if you fight back against democrat attacks or vote for conservative policies, the moderates will join the Khmer Rouge"
Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at March 16, 2017 05:13 PM (sOknj)


It's that kind of thinking - on their part - that just completely escapes me.

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 16, 2017 05:17 PM (qoAfa)

207
Democrats, over ten years ago, told us drilling in ANWR would take 10 years to get the oil.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 16, 2017 05:17 PM (Wr3DZ)

208 like Trumpcare -- don't pin that all on Ryan...

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Why Not? Have a chance to nail Ryan, deserved or not, should be something good for the Republic.

I am not being defensive on Trump on this either, even if I am pro-Trump. It is more of a opportunity to score one on team GOPe. When you got it, you take it.

Posted by: William Eaton at March 16, 2017 05:17 PM (MuTTO)

209
Are you gonna start pushing the boulder up the hill, or are you gonna go where it's safe, standing beside the progressives and the media (BIRM) to keep that boulder stuck in the same place it's been for 60 years?








What they're going to do is kick the Magic Scalp Weasel in the side of the knee when he's pushing on the boulder.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 16, 2017 05:17 PM (XWkhW)

210
Democrats, over ten years ago, told us not to worry about Iran because theyre 10-15 years from nukes.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 16, 2017 05:17 PM (Wr3DZ)

211 the moderates will join the Khmer Rouge"

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at March 16, 2017 05:13 PM (sOknj)

Don't forget to pack a wife

Posted by: Jello Biafra at March 16, 2017 05:18 PM (qJhUV)

212 Ace, here is someone arguing in favor of Trump's approach.

http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2017/03/trumps-finest-hour-nears.html?spref=tw

Posted by: David, Internet Deplorable at March 16, 2017 05:18 PM (2skQu)

213
We elected Trump and rejected all the other Republican Shits because we want to stop Kicking The Can.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 16, 2017 05:18 PM (Wr3DZ)

214 No, but they might either stay home or fracture behind multiple rival replacements, allowing a Dem candidate the margin to sneak in.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at March 16, 2017 05:16 PM (9krrF)


K. I guess it all boils down to how many "crawl over broken glass" voters we actually have.

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 16, 2017 05:18 PM (qoAfa)

215 Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 04:52 PM (/tuJf)

They don't need 60 votes for repeal no matter how many time you repeat that they do.


Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2017 05:17 PM (3JA/M)


Need is a funny word. People often say "Congress needs to do this," or "What those idiots in Washington SHOULD do is..."

You can repeat "they don't need to" all you want, but if McConnell and the boys say they do, they do.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 16, 2017 05:19 PM (TOk1P)

216 Get ready for non-stop media reports showing poor children who only
access to educational TV is PBS. Its BS, but its coming. Trump has
the spine for it, but the GOP Congress...


All the more reason why these cuts have to happen. Think of them as training wheels. If you can't handle them, what are the odds you're ready for motocross?

Posted by: pep at March 16, 2017 05:20 PM (LAe3v)

217 No, but they might either stay home or fracture
behind multiple rival replacements, allowing a Dem candidate the margin
to sneak in.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at March 16, 2017 05:16 PM (9krrF)



K. I guess it all boils down to how many "crawl over broken glass" voters we actually have.

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 16, 2017 05:18 PM (qoAfa)


No... it amounts to "if those guys I voted for to do better don't do better then we have no reason to keep them there".

Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2017 05:20 PM (3JA/M)

218

Paul Ryan is a Can Kicker.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 16, 2017 05:20 PM (Wr3DZ)

219
#StopKickingTheCanDownTheRoadRepublicans

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 16, 2017 05:21 PM (Wr3DZ)

220
Need is a funny word. People often say "Congress needs to do this," or "What those idiots in Washington SHOULD do is..."



You can repeat "they don't need to" all you want, but if McConnell and the boys say they do, they do.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 16, 2017 05:19 PM (TOk1P)

And they are lying. They know they are lying. So the choice is, do we call them on their lies.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2017 05:21 PM (3JA/M)

221
Shit or get off the pot, RINOs...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot at March 16, 2017 05:21 PM (v1g1+)

222 "One thing about entitlements -- ...."

The Big Game is getting the US back to long-term 3.5% annual GDP growth. It used to be our birthright.

If we get it back, all will be fixable and can be made right.

If we continue to stay on the trajectory Obama gave us, we're fucked.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 16, 2017 05:21 PM (SIY7D)

223 'Kicking the Can' sounds like a Smart Vibrator Setting.

Posted by: garrett at March 16, 2017 05:21 PM (YAd2u)

224 >>Difference is, that was failure theater. Easy to pass a bill you know will be vetoed.

To an extent, it was. But it was also billed at the time as a test case, a proof of contest.

Seriously, Republicans at the time were saying that they proved they could pass a bill that was the first step at repealing and replacing Obamacare and this was the process, all they needed was a Republican President. Go Bing it or DuckDuckGo it. I am not making this up, this was always the plan for over a year and not a single person here said a word against it.

No we have a Republican President and they are doing the process and people are losing their minds. Obamacare wasn't a single bill, it was multiple actions including the first Obamacare vote that passed with 60 votes in the Senate because it was legislation. Stage 2 was a reconciliation bill that provided lots of the funding and taxes and Stage 3 was giving the head of HHS the power to create much of the actual workings of the act through bureaucratic fiat.

In effect, Republicans are using the same process to unwind it in a slightly different order.

Now you can claim you don't trust them or Trump but this plan has been in motion for a year waiting for a Republican President. The time for complaining was then, now it's time to get it done so we can move on to things like tax reform.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 05:21 PM (/tuJf)

225 Ace: Trump's hucksterism and sometimes-painfully-obvious insincerity

I suggest this is a misperception. It's not that Trump is insincere; unlike career politicians, when he makes some statement on policy, I suggest that really is his intention at the time he says it.

But there are two other things at work. One, Trump is very open in speaking compared to standard politicians. He will actually tell you what he thinks about something based on his feeling at the time, even if he doesn't know all the relevant facts. When he learns more about something, it may cause him to change his mind. Or he just simply changes his mind later. At one point, he thought a wealth tax to pay down the federal debt made sense. I think he was sincere when he proposed that. And I think he sincerely is not in favor of that now. Did Ace every watch Trump rallies? Typically he just came out and said what was on his mind for an hour or 90 minutes. No notes. No teleprompter. It's very difficult for a normal human being to do that and be consistently insincere.

The second thing is that even though Trump might indicate his intention to do something, he is willing to negotiate it away to get something more important or simply to get something at all. A half a loaf is better than none to Trump. We might well see him trade away the zero funding of the Democrat government media like Corp for Public Broadcasting in return for Democrat support on something else he considers more important. That doesn't mean he didn't sincerely want to zero out these programs.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at March 16, 2017 05:22 PM (3OAG2)

226 The Ryan bill allows Medicaid expansion to continue growing until 2020 AND then uses that as a base to block grant.
Ryan is fucking lying that it gets rid of either the individual mandate or the employer mandate. BOTH are still there. The only thing the Ryan bill does is sets the penalties to 0 (I am sure temporarily) and adds a 30% penalty to be paid to the insurance company if you get a policy and have been without insurance for 63 days or more before you get it. You can see this yourself if you look on page 84 of Ryan's draft bill.

The mandate is still there and so is the penalty language.

Defunding PP would be good but it is not nearly enough of a fix to justify any other real reform.

And this bill would save nothing as it just replaces the subsidy that taxpayers now pay with a refundable tax credit that taxpayers would also pay for.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2017 05:15 PM (3JA/M)


Technically, the penalties already are $0.00 if you plan ahead and make sure you end up owning the IRS and not the other way around. They can only collect via tax refunds.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 16, 2017 05:22 PM (2M2/8)

227 Dems: able to put together a law that took over 1/6th of the economy.
Reps: Government cuts are a bridge too far
LUL

Posted by: Gman at March 16, 2017 05:22 PM (VXoTW)

228 If we cut funding to the NEA, who is going to support brilliant works like "Piss Jesus"?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 16, 2017 05:22 PM (PY9jH)

229 I cannot find a workable solution for eyebrows. Glasses block the way, and contacts aren't crisp enough.

I have some ideas.

Posted by: Fat Man at March 16, 2017 05:22 PM (LAe3v)

230
Many rice bowls need to be kicked to the curb, no matter what their size.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot at March 16, 2017 05:22 PM (v1g1+)

231 "So are we ever going to do that ourselves, or are we going to keep right
on going with the plan to Make America Safe for Republican Incumbent
Congressmen Again?"

Torches. Pitchforks. Some assembly required.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 16, 2017 05:22 PM (noWW6)

232 Forget 60 votes, I honestly don't know if they have 50 votes to repeal ObamaCare.

If you lose Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski, you can't lose another. You don't think there's more RINOs in the Senate?

John Roberts could have save us this whole mess.

Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 05:22 PM (v2I7b)

233 I cannot find a workable solution for eyebrows. Glasses block the way, and contacts aren't crisp enough.
>>>

Want the number for my Aussie eyebrow artist?



Posted by: Leonardo DiCaprio at March 16, 2017 05:23 PM (XtAzU)

234
'Kicking the Can' sounds like a Smart Vibrator Setting.

Is it true there's a Prison Sex setting on that thing?

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 16, 2017 05:23 PM (Wr3DZ)

235 This is why trump beat all of the other GOP candidates. They and their Karl Rove consultants just didn't get it. It wasn't about how many times you could say "constitution" or "conservative" in one sentence, it was based on trump's known record of success, leadership, fearlessness, follow through, and tangible results versus the mealy mouthed, big government shills with the loser track records who were easily cowed, afraid of the media, and who were beholden to the lobbyists and money men. People felt beaten down. They wanted a fighter, a leader, and a champion. We intuitively knew that trump would protect our borders and the others would shove something "comprehensive" down our throats.

Posted by: Flowerbelle1 at March 16, 2017 05:23 PM (AkAvN)

236 E depluribus, where are you getting the info about Meals on Wherls? I ask because a lefty relative is involved in the service somehow.

Posted by: Emmie at March 16, 2017 05:23 PM (5spkj)

237 >>They don't need 60 votes for repeal no matter how many time you repeat that they do.

Don't tell me. Tell Trump. Or did you not bother to listen to him last night?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 05:23 PM (/tuJf)

238 115 i had some vague memory that Iron Maiden did a song called Damn the Torpedoes but it turns out it was just a Tom Petty album.

Question:

How can it be that Iron Maiden failed to write and record a song called "Damn the Torpedoes"? Seems like a no-brainer.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2017 05:00 PM (8rNrN)



Cause they were too busy writing about The Battle of Britain, The Charge of the Light Brigade, Children of the Damned, and The Number of the Beast to waste time on such a cliche.

Posted by: buzzion at March 16, 2017 05:23 PM (z/Ubi)

239 "I think/hope Trump understands that the presidents proposed budget does
not happen so you submit something drastic and then you have room to
move things in your intended direction while letting the opponents feel
like they got somewhere during negotiations."

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I think Trump will veto the budget if it is too far out of his wants. Then the government get s "shutdown." Meaning non essential government workers (I laughed when I typed that) don't sit in their chairs. Trump will not go out of his way like Barky the Muzzie did to make that painful. People will notice that their lives are not affected much, if any. That is what the elite and bureaucracy cannot have happen.

Trump asks America if they notice a difference with a "total" government shutdown? The people will say "NO!" Trump tells them his budget just reduces fedzilla by 30% of what is going on. Maybe the USA could use a 60% haircut. They will cave when Trump does this. He will then get his budget in a matter of weeks.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 16, 2017 05:23 PM (cOHS7)

240 "We elected Trump and rejected all the other Republican Shits because we want to stop Kicking The Can."


Kicking the can was my platform. Please clap.

Posted by: Jeb at March 16, 2017 05:23 PM (OD2ni)

241 You have no right to expect Trump to touch SS or Medicaid, thus cannot claim disappointment when he does not. Trump explicitly said he would not touch SS or Medicaid. Unlike the regular politicians --such as Obama who lie with ease -- Trump meant what he said and has been actually working to keep his campaign promises. Hence your characterization of him as a huckster is BS -- you want to pretend some type of intellectually superiority to the man you claimed was an idiot and a buffoon all through the primary. Don't get me wrong -- I'm glad you didn't become a Never Trump who are the pathetic mewling babies you rightly tag them as. But the fact is you've never gotten Trump and you keep trying to pretend that the fault lies in him instead of yourself.
Look at your ding about him wanting to "leave his mark on the world" -- WTF is that supposed to mean? I hate to break it to you -- but that is what menses are supposed to want to do. Deride him all you want -- he changed the Manhattan skyline. What have you done to leave your mark on the world?

Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 16, 2017 05:24 PM (lZaEn)

242 BTW: Only people like Krauthammer think if it fails to pass Trump will be blamed, or the Freedom Caucus will take it on the chin.

No, only Krauts pretty boy will get blamed by most Republican voters outside of his district and the beltway. Trump would really have to go out of his way, in epic fashion, to fall on his sword for Ryan for Trump to take the blame. Does anyone think Trump will do that for Paul Ryan?

This is like everything else Kraut has said, like Trump won't win, and Ted Cruz's career was over, and whatever. Everything he says and does is in the name of defending the GOPe.

Posted by: William Eaton at March 16, 2017 05:25 PM (MuTTO)

243 People should go back and listen to Trump's
interview with Tucker last night. He gets it which is why he is onboard
with this process and likely why he picked Price in the first place.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 05:09 PM (/tuJf)

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. We Republicans are terrible about wanting all the loaf, every time, and getting nothing. The Left has always been great about taking half the loaf now and then coming back for a full loaf later, taking half of it, then coming back for a full loaf, taking half of it, and before you know it they got two loaves while no one was watching. If we need 51 to get some things done and need 60 to get other things done, then let's get done now what we can get done with 51, rather than insisting on getting everything done at once.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 16, 2017 05:25 PM (jK8Z7)

244 Somewhere, somehow, in that Obamacare circus money went places. There are people out there who made millions/billions off of this charade. I would like to see a big fat audit done on this shitcycle.

Posted by: washrivergal at March 16, 2017 05:25 PM (Ivjge)

245 20 Take Big Bird out to the courtyard at dawn, offer him a cigarette and a prayer, and then put one right between the eyes. Problem solved.
Posted by: troyriser at March 16, 2017 04:40 PM (Fw5cQ)


Good idea, except all that will do is put a hole through the muppeteer's hand. A neck shot is called for here.

Posted by: Average Guy at March 16, 2017 05:26 PM (LMcFk)

246 Posted by: BurtTC at March 16, 2017 05:19 PM (TOk1P)

And they are lying. They know they are lying. So the choice is, do we call them on their lies.


Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2017 05:21 PM (3JA/M)


Always. The question is though, does calling them on it get them to change behavior. Past experience suggests it does not.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 16, 2017 05:26 PM (TOk1P)

247 >>Cause they were too busy writing about


Charlotte the Harlot

Posted by: garrett at March 16, 2017 05:26 PM (YAd2u)

248 Florida wins by 15

Posted by: tu3031 at March 16, 2017 05:27 PM (qJhUV)

249 No... it amounts to "if those guys I voted for to do better don't do better then we have no reason to keep them there".
Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2017 05:20 PM (3JA/M)


Fine, and I am in complete agreement, but I fail to see how that voter is going to, suddenly, vote for a (D)Marxist. They've completely shed any disguise now. Sure, don't really like the Republican all that much? I understand that, but the alternative?

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 16, 2017 05:27 PM (qoAfa)

250 176 I'm tired of the same old republican foot dragging and lazy excuses. Ryan can either whip the herd into shape, or the republicans will get beat in the midterms.

I keep seeing this and I have to ask the question:

"Do you really think that, those that put the Republicans back in power, are going to suddenly do a 180 and vote for the (D)Marxists?"

Maybe I'm not seeing something......

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 16, 2017 05:12 PM (qoAfa)

-------

DECIMATION

Pick Ten or Twenty, Primary them in 2018.

If they survive the Primary? Hold your nose and vote Democrat. Lord only knows, I held my nose in 2008 and 2012 when I voted for President.

Posted by: rd at March 16, 2017 05:27 PM (iT57s)

251 Still trying to fathom why SSDI is paying money to the local heroin addict who is trying to set a new record for residential burglaries.
Oh, and the burgler is never doing time for, like, burglaries since it is totally not a priority and costs too much and we can devote the money to diversion blahblahblah.
Progressives. What a conglomeration of poopieheaded nincompoops.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 16, 2017 05:27 PM (FtrY1)

252 This was a guy that few conservatives expected much from, and who will
definitely disappoint us on many things. (Trumpcare being one;
entitlement reform probably being another.)


Well, those two are kind of a big deal, IMO.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 16, 2017 05:28 PM (Tyii7)

253 O/T garrett,

What do you think of the Renzetti Cam Series Traveler Vise? I already have an HMH Spartan vise which is great but I am curious about the Renzetti.

Posted by: JTB at March 16, 2017 05:29 PM (V+03K)

254 Trump asks America if they notice a difference with a "total" government shutdown? The people will say "NO!" Trump tells them his budget just reduces fedzilla by 30% of what is going on. Maybe the USA could use a 60% haircut. They will cave when Trump does this. He will then get his budget in a matter of weeks.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 16, 2017 05:23 PM

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Trump should threaten to do all sorts of Executive Power things while the government is shut down...that will get the GOPe and even the Democrats to the table, and quick.

Posted by: William Eaton at March 16, 2017 05:29 PM (MuTTO)

255 Still trying to fathom why SSDI is paying money to the local heroin addict who is trying to set a new record for residential burglaries.

HE'S A GOOD BOY/STARTING COLLEGE IN THE FALL/ASPIRING RAPPER!!!!

Posted by: Social Security Administration at March 16, 2017 05:29 PM (oVJmc)

256 If we cut funding to the NEA, who is going to support brilliant works like "Piss Jesus"?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 16, 2017 05:22 PM (PY9jH)


Heh ..... yeah, no shit.

*smdh*

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 16, 2017 05:29 PM (qoAfa)

257 235
This is why trump beat all of the other GOP candidates. They and their
Karl Rove consultants just didn't get it. It wasn't about how many times
you could say "constitution" or "conservative" in one sentence, it was
based on trump's known record of success, leadership, fearlessness,
follow through, and tangible results versus the mealy mouthed, big
government shills with the loser track records who were easily cowed,
afraid of the media, and who were beholden to the lobbyists and money
men. People felt beaten down. They wanted a fighter, a leader, and a
champion. We intuitively knew that trump would protect our borders and
the others would shove something "comprehensive" down our throats.

Posted by: Flowerbelle1 at March 16, 2017 05:23 PM (AkAvN)

^^this. A business mogul, as opposed to another Senator. I get it. I was a Cruz guy, but I like having a president who is accustomed to getting results.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 16, 2017 05:29 PM (jK8Z7)

258 So its open season on Big Bird now? Like rats?

Posted by: torabora at March 16, 2017 05:29 PM (ljV5c)

259 "Then comes Price with his pen and phone and then comes legislation which will be a real heavy lift.



Posted by: JackStraw
"


Price will have any "pen and phone-ing" TROed using the same basis that has been used for Trump's immigration executive orders. Since Price has spoken out on how he feels about Obamacare and wants to dismantle it, his orders will be stopped because he will be said to be operating by putting his own prejudices into the orders no matter if he has a legal right to do them. This is what the judges have set in motion.



Posted by: geoffb5 at March 16, 2017 05:30 PM (d3wbb)

260 I guess it all boils down to how many "crawl over broken glass" voters we actually have.

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC


You can only ask that of people so many times without delivering on your end. Romney was it for me. I imagine 2014 was it for a lot of others. If people get the feeling it's all for nothing they won't bother, and then you're in trouble.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at March 16, 2017 05:30 PM (9krrF)

261 Its basically impossible to fix, because the people with the power to fix it think its fine. Peachy. Great even.

It'd take a miracle, or a revolution, or both.

Posted by: simplemind at March 16, 2017 05:31 PM (xVRrG)

262 Trump smash!

Trump not care!

98 0/0 agree with Trump!
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Is Trump-Hulk an option?

Becuase I'm totally aboard with this.


Posted by: shibumi at March 16, 2017 05:31 PM (FkAXz)

263 222
"One thing about entitlements -- ...."



The Big Game is getting the US back to long-term 3.5% annual GDP growth. It used to be our birthright.



If we get it back, all will be fixable and can be made right.



If we continue to stay on the trajectory Obama gave us, we're fucked.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 16, 2017 05:21 PM (SIY7D)

Agreed. That is indeed the Big Game. Get 20 million Americans on the payroll and 5 million illegals off it, and we are in a much better position.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 16, 2017 05:31 PM (jK8Z7)

264 Paul Ryan kicks like a can-can.

Posted by: wth at March 16, 2017 05:31 PM (HgMAr)

265 >>Posted by: JTB at March 16, 2017 05:29 PM (V+03K)


I tied on a Renzetti Traveler for years.

Well before they went to a cam Locking Mechanism...I loved the thing.
Sold it to a friend and after 24 years, it's still a little champ.
You need to have the larger jaws for Saltwater hooks, though. You can shatter the fine ones on big salt hooks.

Posted by: garrett at March 16, 2017 05:31 PM (YAd2u)

266 In past government shutdowns, Fed workers got paid in the end. Can Trump not pay them? If so, where's the downside if we have a month-long shutdown where parks are kept open and you can still get a passport?

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 16, 2017 05:31 PM (SIY7D)

267 Slithering towards Gomorrah is more like it.

Posted by: torabora at March 16, 2017 05:31 PM (ljV5c)

268 I already have an HMH Spartan vise which is great but I am curious about the Renzetti.

Posted by: JTB at March 16, 2017 05:29 PM (V+03K)

What is that...some sort of sex toy/

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 16, 2017 05:32 PM (rF0hx)

269 I dislike the gop almost as much as I dislike the democ-rats, I admire the libs because they have moved their agenda smartly along, the gop has no real agenda other than to be reelected. I said it before and I will say it again I no longer consider myself republican. The party left me behind decades ago. I am a conservative and pro life. Fuck the gop.

Posted by: USNtakim at March 16, 2017 05:32 PM (hMqvx)

270 If they survive the Primary? Hold your nose and vote Democrat. Lord only knows, I held my nose in 2008 and 2012 when I voted for President.
Posted by: rd at March 16, 2017 05:27 PM (iT57s)


Why would anyone (of us), in their right mind, do that?

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 16, 2017 05:32 PM (qoAfa)

271 Price will have any "pen and phone-ing" TROed using
the same basis that has been used for Trump's immigration executive
orders. Since Price has spoken out on how he feels about Obamacare and
wants to dismantle it, his orders will be stopped because he will be
said to be operating by putting his own prejudices into the orders no
matter if he has a legal right to do them. This is what the judges have
set in motion.






Posted by: geoffb5 at March 16, 2017 05:30 PM (d3wbb)

Yes. This is a fight we will have to fight for the next 8 years. Eventually we will get enough judicial appointments to make that a losing strategy for the Left, but it is what we are going to have to get used to for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 16, 2017 05:32 PM (jK8Z7)

272 The leftists can pay for their own crap. Gates, Zuckerberg and Bezos and fund Big Bird, NPR. From each according to their ability to each according to their needs.

Posted by: Ranting Ranter Who Rants at March 16, 2017 05:33 PM (cJDvr)

273 In past government shutdowns, Fed workers got paid in the end. Can Trump not pay them? If so, where's the downside if we have a month-long shutdown where parks are kept open and you can still get a passport?
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 16, 2017 05:31 PM (SIY7D)

The Gov Shutdowns have been paid vacations for the Fed Workers...nice work if you can get it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2017 05:33 PM (SjImc)

274 >>What is that...some sort of sex toy


The beter to clamp your nipples with, my dearie.

Posted by: Big Bad Wolf at March 16, 2017 05:33 PM (YAd2u)

275 President Rubio would be 85% of the way to giving the Democrats everything they want by now.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 16, 2017 05:33 PM (oVJmc)

276 Can I get my Piss Obama into the NEA before the door shuts?

Posted by: torabora at March 16, 2017 05:33 PM (ljV5c)

277 "Trump asks America if they notice a difference with a 'total' government shutdown? The people will say 'NO!'"

It's instructive to go back to what was going on during the previous federal government shutdown, the one that Republicans took all the blame for due to their ineptitude, and to try to find any of those Republicans who were actively asking their constituents, hey, the government's in shutdown, _are you able to tell_?

Posted by: torquewrench at March 16, 2017 05:33 PM (noWW6)

278 Rapper "Bow Wow" tweeted he wants to pimp out Melania as one of his whores.

Unbelievable.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 16, 2017 05:33 PM (PY9jH)

279 Where are we with PT's 100+ judge replacements?

Posted by: Under Fire at March 16, 2017 05:33 PM (fqERy)

280 Trump might be able to do a little entitlement reform in his second term, but considering how close those swing states were, he may have lost if he promised to cut social security. Phase in a raise to 72 instead of 65 ... it was originally at life expectancy age (65) which is now 78 or so.

Most of these numbers and hopes depend on the markets continuing to "levitate" after 8 years of manipulation. Tricky business, even as business environment improves.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 16, 2017 05:34 PM (BrMft)

281 Rapper "Bow Wow" tweeted he wants to pimp out Melania as one of his whores.

Unbelievable.


Not really. Has-beens get desperate for publicity.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 16, 2017 05:35 PM (oVJmc)

282 They could crowd fund Big Bird. they could but why when Uncle sugar will pay for it.

Posted by: torabora at March 16, 2017 05:35 PM (ljV5c)

283 Sweet!

Someone just bought my Marantz Tape Deck off FleaBay.

Posted by: garrett at March 16, 2017 05:35 PM (YAd2u)

284
268 I already have an HMH Spartan vise which is great but I am curious about the Renzetti.

Posted by: JTB at March 16, 2017 05:29 PM (V+03K)

What is that...some sort of sex toy/
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 16, 2017 05:32 PM (rF0hx)

That would be a HMH Spartan vice.
And no, I don't.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 16, 2017 05:35 PM (FtrY1)

285 "his orders will be stopped because he will be said to be operating by putting his own prejudices into the orders no matter if he has a legal right to do them."

The WA, HI and MD orders can't stand. Even Donna Kagan knows it

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 16, 2017 05:35 PM (SIY7D)

286 Speaking of cuts... My hair-cutter took too much off and I've looked on the internet for ways to boost hair growth, two of which are to stand on your head for 5 minutes a day and to increase blood-flow to scalp, and to eat eggs. Anybody have luck trying these methods?

Posted by: Serious Cat


I think you're over thinking this.

At this point you have three options:

!) live with the cut cuz hopefully you bring more to the table than fancy hair

2) Shave it all off- that's still a thing and if your head's a good shape- Bob's your uncle!

3) Get one of those weirdo shaved sides-long hair on top dealios - cuz you're fab or phat or floobey-doobey or whatever the kids say these days. That thing. You. Are. It.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 16, 2017 05:35 PM (vZ9Fw)

287 Sold it to a friend and after 24 years, it's still a little champ.
You need to have the larger jaws for Saltwater hooks, though. You can shatter the fine ones on big salt hooks.

Posted by: garrett
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Is it possible to fly fish from the beach? If so what set up?

Posted by: simplemind at March 16, 2017 05:35 PM (xVRrG)

288 Rapper "Bow Wow" tweeted he wants to pimp out Melania as one of his whores.
Unbelievable.


The end result of the "Great Society".

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 16, 2017 05:36 PM (Tyii7)

289 >>Price will have any "pen and phone-ing" TROed using the same basis that has been used for Trump's immigration executive orders. Since Price has spoken out on how he feels about Obamacare and wants to dismantle it, his orders will be stopped because he will be said to be operating by putting his own prejudices into the orders no matter if he has a legal right to do them. This is what the judges have set in motion.

Possibly. But the underlying Obamacare legislation specifically gives the head of HHS to do exactly this.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 05:36 PM (/tuJf)

290 Yes. This is a fight we will have to fight for the next 8 years. Eventually we will get enough judicial appointments to make that a losing strategy for the Left, but it is what we are going to have to get used to for the foreseeable future.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 16, 2017 05:32 PM (jK8Z7)


Agreed. Locking down SCOTUS, or at least de-liberalizing it, was of prime concern to me. There is no way to do that without voting for the Republican every time.

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 16, 2017 05:36 PM (qoAfa)

291 Ace, Oregon Muse sent an AoS email that might amuse you.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 16, 2017 05:36 PM (QBkkW)

292 ..A half a loaf is better than none to Trump. We might well see him trade away the zero funding of the Democrat government media like Corp for Public Broadcasting in return for Democrat support on something else he considers more important. That doesn't mean he didn't sincerely want to zero out these programs.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at March 16, 2017 05:22 PM (3OAG2)
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This.

By releasing this budget, he has just set the table for the horse trading and a little hardball that must happen to get the repeal and replace done as well as tax reform.

This is just the opening act. Trump hasn't even started negotiating.

Posted by: WisRich at March 16, 2017 05:37 PM (hdpay)

293 I'm a believer in small government. And I really like the libertarian policy idea: government should not be spending money on anything unless you are willing to send people to prison for refusing to pay for it.

Am I willing to send people to prison for refusing to pay for the national defense, the courts, the police? Yes.

Am I willing to send people to prison for refusing to pay for artistic works, such as a crucifix submerged in urine? Am I willing to send people to prison for refusing to pay for NPR or PBS? No, and no. I like Doctor Who but I'm not willing to put people in prison so I can get it for free on my TV.

But why am I talking about prison? Because prison is where you go when you refuse to pay your taxes. If you don't pay, or you use illegal dodges or whatever to avoid paying your full amount, the government will come after you. You can pay, or they can take your stuff away from you, and/or you can go to prison.

Alternatively, the government can borrow the money, but ultimately it must be repaid by tax money (or at a minimum, the minimum debt service payments must be covered by tax money). So ultimately all government spending relies on people to pay up or go to prison. (I guess you can make the case that we should except inflating the currency, which simply robs value from money people already have. You don't go to prison when they inflate the currency, but you also have no way to refuse.)

In Washington D.C. they are very abstracted from all this. They can just wave their hands and speak a few words and then money gets spent, and they don't have to think too hard about where it came from. So they can sleep well at night if they build a useless bridge to nowhere or something else that brings money into their own state but is a net drag on the country.

If this policy was applied strictly our government would be dramatically smaller. We would still have policy disagreements: some of us would be willing to send people to prison for refusing to help pay for entitlements, while others would prefer to let people keep as much as possible of their own money and rely on non-government charities to help the truly poor. Some of us would like the government to spend at least something on basic science; I know I would, but I'm not sure how much science I'm willing to send people to prison for refusing to pay. (And I suspect that if we removed government funding for science, that would de-politicize science, and Global Warming and stuff might be treated more rigorously.) Heck, I'm sure some of us actually are willing to send people to prison for refusing to pay for Doctor Who to be on TV.

In fact, let's make it a requirement: any Senator or Congressman who wants to vote in favor of any spending must go on YouTube and say "I believe that anyone who refuses to pay for this spending must go to prison."

Posted by: mr_jack at March 16, 2017 05:37 PM (M59SC)

294 I don't expect reform on SS and Medicare under Trump at least this term, but just raising the age of retirement just a couple years for younger workers would be an easy reform that would save trillions of dollars.

Posted by: Maritime at March 16, 2017 05:37 PM (v2I7b)

295 "Rapper "Bow Wow" tweeted he wants to pimp out Melania as one of his whores."


Was he one of the little kids in Kriss Kross?

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 16, 2017 05:37 PM (OD2ni)

296 92 >>if you can't grab the low hanging fruit, which fruits are you actually capable of grabbing?


mish
Posted by: garrett at March 16, 2017 04:56 PM (YAd2u)
*************
I got u sum lo hangin fuit you can gwab.

Posted by: Bwarny Fwan at March 16, 2017 05:38 PM (ljV5c)

297 >>Is it possible to fly fish from the beach? If so what set up?


All depends on the beach, really. But guys down in Cabo catch Roosterfish and the like, right out of the surf.

Guys on the East Coast can catch stripers off the Jetties and in the mouths of estuaries.

Odds are you are conna need a 8 -9 Wt. with a couple of Lines and a Reel with a sealed disc drag. Preferably one machined out of aluminum to combat corrosion.

Posted by: garrett at March 16, 2017 05:38 PM (YAd2u)

298 That quote makes me hard. It's also hard to argue against logically.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at March 16, 2017 05:38 PM (FqgrG)

299 >>The Big Game is getting the US back to long-term 3.5% annual GDP growth.

But the agenda of Ryan and the Chamber of Commerce has been to bring in a Third World population of 60+ million to lower labor costs and at the same time encourage our industry to move to foreign countries under our trade agreements.

So as a result we end up with 1% growth and the next big idea of Ryan and the Chamber of Commerce after wrecking the economy and our tax base is to reduce government spending on Social Security and Medicare.

It's a short-term play by the globalists that depends on massive government debt and money creation to prop up consumer spending until the bubble collapses and then the smart money will have been made, and will move on elsewhere.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at March 16, 2017 05:38 PM (3OAG2)

300 How about Bow Wow Wow???

https://youtu.be/aMICD3aMZpw

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 16, 2017 05:39 PM (QBkkW)

301 265 .. Garrett, Thanks for the quick reply. We are going to the new Cabelas tomorrow and I'll be spending some time in the fly fishing section.

CBD, Maybe I should mention the sex toy possibility to the HMH company. It's a pretty good bet they never thought of their fly tying vises that way. :-)

Posted by: JTB at March 16, 2017 05:39 PM (V+03K)

302 Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 16, 2017 05:32 PM (qoAfa)

Remember how Comprehensive Immigration Reform passed the US Senate and was a done deal in the house?

The Dave Brat beat Eric Cantor. Immigration Reform died the next day. Politicians want to get reelected. Threaten that, and watch them sit up and start voting right.

End a few careers. We can always try to vote the Democrat out later.

Posted by: rd at March 16, 2017 05:41 PM (iT57s)

303 If you send us a jar with Obama submerged in urine we will put it on display next to the one of Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: NEA Dreamer at March 16, 2017 05:41 PM (ljV5c)

304 So Mulvaney really told reports whining about effects on the Federal workforce in DC that the budget was not written w/ an eye toward increasing the value of their (reporters) condos. Nice.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 16, 2017 05:41 PM (OD2ni)

305 It's a short-term play by the globalists that depends on massive government debt and money creation to prop up consumer spending until the bubble collapses and then the smart money will have been made, and will move on elsewhere.
===========================
This.

The united states is the na´ve girl in the middle of a pump and dump perpetrated by the playa.

Its vulgar. And absolutely true.

Posted by: simplemind at March 16, 2017 05:41 PM (xVRrG)

306 >>> Term limits are the thing that would solve the whole problem but never will because who's gonna vote himself out of a job? Not anyone in Congress, that's who.
......

I'm fine with term limits but really dislike this argument. It doesn't solve the problem. It doesn't even paper over it and I'm not even convinced it's a step in the right direction. We disagree somewhat on what the problem is.

We have term limits. It's called an election. The problem, as I see it, is that people actually want this shit. People believe in free shit and are committed to voting themselves more and more free shit because they feel that they're entitled to it. "I paid my taxes". "I worked my whole life and paid into social security". "I'm on hard time because of all those [insert villian du jour here] won't give me what I'm entitled to."

Yes, it's true that politicians lie. They solicit donations constantly on patently false shit and play on the stupidity and trust of people. They immediately turn their back on whatever their constituents voted for in favor of whatever their party tells them. Yet, term after term, everyone gets in a tizzy and pulls the lever for the R (or the D) and sends the fuckstick back to D.C. for another term full of theft, graft, fraud, and pretending to be royalty.

The power to get rid of these fuckers (though decreasingly each day) still rests with the people. Not corporations (corporations don't get to vote). Not judges or courts. Not parties. Not CEOs. Take all you the designated villains (from all sides), put them in a voting block and they are still vastly outnumbered. Add fraud in and I don't believe they can create enough fraudulent votes to overcome all the potential eligible voters (yet).

We have term limits on the Presidency for one reason: it moves power to Congress who doesn't have to stand for a national election or be accountable to everyone. It's much, much easier for the parties to get the "right" congress critter in the door and keep him/ her there than it is to get the "right" party in the White House. We have term limits because the parties wanted it, not because of Washington's example and not because it benefits the voters.

If someone is doing a good job and I want to vote for them, who the fuck is Congress to say that I can because it's someone else's turn?

We're in the shape we're in and shit is as fucked up as it is because people feel entitled, like free shit, and don't want to think about who to vote for every 2-6 years. We've ceded our right and, more importantly, every responsibility for ourselves that comes with freedom to parties that represent no one, are elected by no one, have sworn no oath the the constitution, and have only one responsibility and interest. It's own self perpetuation.

Posted by: Damiano at March 16, 2017 05:42 PM (Mq0tM)

307 292 ..A half a loaf is better than none to Trump. We might well see him trade away the zero funding of the Democrat government media like Corp for Public Broadcasting in return for Democrat support on something else he considers more important. That doesn't mean he didn't sincerely want to zero out these programs.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at March 16, 2017 05:22 PM (3OAG2)
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This.

By releasing this budget, he has just set the table for the horse trading and a little hardball that must happen to get the repeal and replace done as well as tax reform.

This is just the opening act. Trump hasn't even started negotiating.
Posted by: WisRich at March 16, 2017 05:37 PM (hdpay)



This is what I think. Trump knows what he's doing. Like they say how do you eat an elephant- a bite at a time.

Posted by: Chilling the most at March 16, 2017 05:42 PM (Cl52v)

308


I love this fight. Right now there is an old looking woman in a hijab pan handling by the Galleria. Says she has 5 kids to feed. Lets have this fight

Posted by: ThunderB at March 16, 2017 05:43 PM (AlKcd)

309 **The Big Game is getting the US back to long-term 3.5% annual GDP growth.**

you know what that means? Moar illegal immigration!

signed,
the GOP consultant worried you'll join ISIS if the gop votes with Trump.

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at March 16, 2017 05:45 PM (sOknj)

310 In fact, let's make it a requirement: any Senator or Congressman who wants to vote in favor of any spending must go on YouTube and say "I believe that anyone who refuses to pay for this spending must go to prison."
Posted by: mr_jack at March 16, 2017 05:37 PM (M59SC)



If you say to many people hey are you willing to go to jail if you don't pay the taxes to pay for that, they will think you are some crazy person, because omg that's not how it works! The government pays for it!

Take WaPo snarking that a coal miner will only pay a penny for supporting PBS. Yes. A penny that was obtained by a gun to his head.

The idea that the government forcibly extracts money from the citizens rather than the government allows citizens to keep their money may be one of the most fundamental difference between the Right and the Left.

Posted by: alexthechick - so not For The Children at March 16, 2017 05:45 PM (dEQP3)

311 Now you can claim you don't trust them or Trump but this plan has been
in motion for a year waiting for a Republican President. The time for
complaining was then, now it's time to get it done so we can move on to
things like tax reform.
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No.

Now is the time for forcing the wrong people to do the right thing.

We hold their feet to the fire for repeal only.

If that deal isn't there, walk away.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 16, 2017 05:45 PM (3Liv/)

312 End a few careers.

Absolutely, with a Brat-type replacement.

We can always try to vote the Democrat out later.
Posted by: rd at March 16, 2017 05:41 PM (iT57s)


That's the part that scares me. I don't want to take that chance.

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 16, 2017 05:46 PM (qoAfa)

313 To those saying term limits are the ticket, see Kalifornia. We had a republican party that was in play for years, not in power but a counterweight. Then term limits came and it is all fascist. Term limits are not a panacea.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 16, 2017 05:46 PM (cOHS7)

314 E depluribus, where are you getting the info about Meals on Wheels? I ask because a lefty relative is involved in the service somehow.

Posted by: Emmie


Affiliation with a entities on the 'giving/volunteer' side of the equation.

Your lefty relative most likely is on the 'receiving' side of the equation. The entire organization could be volunteers but government saw opportunity to create high paying positions for a few.

While shaking down people and businesses to make their actual costs for food, transportation, and delivery zero.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 16, 2017 05:46 PM (ZFUt7)

315 Is it possible to fly fish from the beach? If so what set up?

*thanks alex for telling me this is now a flyfishing thread*


Fly fishing in the surf is the best and finest form of fishing. What kind of beach, what target species, etc., will dictate your gear requirements.

("Beach" will also include estuary banks, rocks, and all sorts of other formations).

You will absolutely need waders and a stripping basket. Trout guys can lay their floating lines on placid water and not worry too much, but surf is like a washing machine and you have to keep your stripped line out of it, hence the stripping basket.

In heavyish surf you get a rythm: wade down with the retreating wave making false casts, cast, and walk backward with the advancing wave and get the line tight. (Never ever turn your back on the surf).

Most saltwater applications (bonefish, schoolie stripers) can be handled with an 8 wt. Bigger surf and bigger stripers will want a 10wt.

At all costs, use a reel designed for the salt. A freshwater reel will be eaten like a Gozirra snack.

Also, always have a wading belt on so that a wave crashing over your waders can not ship them. You can get SOS fishing vests with CO2 cartridges to inflate a flotation device.

Also a headlamp. You'll want to be out at night.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 16, 2017 05:46 PM (gIRsn)

316 I'm happiest about the State Dept cuts. Smug bastards the lot of them (okay the two I've dealt with).

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 16, 2017 05:47 PM (EnKk6)

317 Simply put, DJT is dancing with the ones that brought him.

Posted by: Minuteman at March 16, 2017 05:47 PM (0i9eW)

318 >>If that deal isn't there, walk away.

Thanks but no. I'd rather have Obamacare being dismantled than be held to some purity test that has zero chance of working.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 05:47 PM (/tuJf)

319 In fact, let's make it a requirement: any Senator or Congressman who wants to vote in favor of any spending must go on YouTube and say "I believe that anyone who refuses to pay for this spending must go to prison."
Posted by: mr_jack at March 16, 2017 05:37 PM (M59SC)


Well stated. Copied and re-posted for emphasis.

Although, I think it should be a Rule in each of the houses of Congress that each member should be required to stand in the well and recite those exact words for each #@$@ puppet show, sacrilegious artwork, and Office of Graft & Corruption that they want to fund.

Posted by: filbert at March 16, 2017 05:47 PM (s5o+q)

320 "316 I'm happiest about the State Dept cuts. Smug bastards the lot of them (okay the two I've dealt with).
Posted by: All Hail Eris,"


So far, Tillerson looks to be a good pick.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 16, 2017 05:48 PM (OD2ni)

321
I love they way they framed it. The abused tax payer

Posted by: ThunderB at March 16, 2017 05:48 PM (AlKcd)

322 278 Rapper "Bow Wow" tweeted he wants to pimp out Melania as one of his whores.

Unbelievable.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 16, 2017 05:33 PM (PY9jH)

It's his way to battle against racism. /s

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 16, 2017 05:49 PM (IDPbH)

323

This budget is a good start

Posted by: ThunderB at March 16, 2017 05:49 PM (AlKcd)

324
K. I guess it all boils down to how many "crawl over broken glass" voters we actually have.
Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 16, 2017 05:18 PM (qoAfa)

------

If you stab them in the back at the first opportunity, even the broken glass crawls will have second thoughts

Posted by: MAGA at March 16, 2017 05:49 PM (A4HOq)

325 Defund, and those programs worth keeping will find new homes, the rest will wither away. As is befitting.

I like PBS, but I realized a while ago most of the stuff I watch is imported from the UK: period murder mysteries from the UK, history shows, and Masterpiece. Also the nature programs and Great Performances. KBYU ha some great original programming, like American Ride. The rest I've long ago realized have lefty leanings and just annoy the crap out of me now.

Posted by: LizLem at March 16, 2017 05:51 PM (hvf9s)

326 "President Rubio would be 85% of the way to giving the Democrats everything they want by now."


Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 16, 2017 05:33 PM (

______

Don't you mean Queen Hillary Rodham Clinton?

Rubio would be a good little "homophobic, racist, misogynistic hater" and lose by about 100 electoral votes.

Just like McCain.

Just like Romney.

Just like !JEB!

Posted by: rd at March 16, 2017 05:51 PM (iT57s)

327 Is it possible to fly fish from the beach? If so what set up?
----
Ticket to Oahu and fish on the North Shore. Summer is best, mellow waves.

Haleiwa, Mokuleia, and Waimea Bay are nice.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 16, 2017 05:51 PM (EnKk6)

328 Thanks but no. I'd rather have Obamacare being dismantled than be held to some purity test that has zero chance of working.
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Obamacare isn't being dismantled, it's being preserved. That's the point of Ryancare and why it didn't start with Repeal, as promised.

If no bill on this matter passes, then the health insurance industry dies (which is justice served for supporting obama in the first place), and without them to prop up prices, the costs charged by the health care industry will have to drop to what people can pay out of pocket.

That's a preferable outcome to the passage of Ryancare. Purity has nothing to do with it beyond pointing out that the scam they claim keeps their promise, in truth breaks it completely.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 16, 2017 05:53 PM (3Liv/)

329 Ticket to Oahu and fish on the North Shore. Summer is best, mellow waves.


Luxusweibchen.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 16, 2017 05:53 PM (gIRsn)

330 Obamacare isn't being dismantled, it's being preserved. That's the point of Ryancare and why it didn't start with Repeal, as promised.

>>Rather than giving me this talking point over and over, tell me exactly how Obamacare is being preserved. Bear in mind the program is already collapsing.

If this bill passes as is, and it won't, changes will happen in the conference committee at least.



Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 05:56 PM (/tuJf)

331 Luxusweibchen.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 16, 2017 05:53 PM (gIRsn)
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Haha! Who better to frolic and gambol in the waves? And Uncle Shug payed for it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 16, 2017 05:56 PM (EnKk6)

332 Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 16, 2017 05:46 PM (qoAfa)

It doesn't matter if they have an R after the name, if they still vote Democrat.

They get elected saying they will do Conservative Things, and promptly chicken out back in DC. Trump is shocking people, because he actually is doing what he says!

Posted by: rd at March 16, 2017 05:57 PM (iT57s)

333 Ticket to Oahu and fish on the North Shore. Summer is best, mellow waves.



Haleiwa, Mokuleia, and Waimea Bay are nice.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes


Yep. great place to mellow is on the North Shore. Waikiki too over-run.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 16, 2017 05:57 PM (QBkkW)

334 The ACA that passed with 60 votes in the Senate in 2009 and barely in the House in 2010 was a budget bill. The side car was also a budget bill. It had to pass by reconciliation because whatshisname won in MA.

I know the 2009 ACA was a budget bill because the Supreme Court calls the mandate a TAX which is a budgetary item unlike a fine.

Therefore both the ACA and side car, both being budget bills can be repealed or altered by reconciliation.

Posted by: MAGA at March 16, 2017 05:58 PM (A4HOq)

335
Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 16, 2017 05:53 PM (3Liv/)




Sounds like you're only interested in giving Obama a black eye and you don't care about the chaos in the insurance markets that a straight repeal would cause.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 16, 2017 06:00 PM (lKyWE)

336 Another thing. The side car bill made changes to the ACA. Those changes must have been budgetary in nature to pass by reconciliation. Therefore the ACA must have had budgetary items and considered a budget bill.

Posted by: MAGA at March 16, 2017 06:01 PM (A4HOq)

337 A straight repeal will provide the impetus to produce a replacement.

Posted by: MAGA at March 16, 2017 06:04 PM (A4HOq)

338 >>Rather than giving me this talking point over and over, tell me
exactly how Obamacare is being preserved. Bear in mind the program is
already collapsing.
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There's no talking point here, that's just what it does.

As redbanzai has repeatedly explained to you, Ryancare leaves all the objectionable parts of obamacare on the books. Nothing is repealed. Ryan merely modifies the program to try to get the same universal coverage (as his partners in crime stated was their goal at their opening press conference) by slightly different means. For example the mandate is still, there, Ryan just switches enforcement of it to the insurance companies rather than the IRS. But you still pay a penalty for not buying insurance when you choose not to. Using taxpayer funds to cover the uninsurable is using taxpayer money no matter what you call the subsidy.

They gave the game away when they tried to float the idea of 'repairing' obamacare. That went nowhere. It has no public support because it wasn't sold.

But it's being pushed now, under the lie that Ryancare 'repeals and replaces' obamacare. It repeals nothing, so it can't even really be said to replace anything. It's just some minor modifications (and even some of those are sunsetted, which means America's enemies in government just have to wait for them to come back-they don't even have to formally repeal Ryancare). None of which address the underlying cost of health care, which the health insurance industry (by spreading costs around), and government subsidies (such as Ryancare sends to the uninsurable), are elevating.

And you can dismiss it as purity if you want, but there's a further matter of justice required here, in that the Democrats jammed the whole thing down the nation's throat when there was never positive support for its passage. For that reason alone obamacare must be eradicated utterly. If we allow the establishment to pass this half measure they will consider the matter dealt with and move on to other things they want, rather than revisiting it and giving us the full repeal they promised at some later date.

There's literally nothing in Ryancare that warrants support.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 16, 2017 06:14 PM (3Liv/)

339 Willowing be damned, here's a nice article from Bon Appetit on Hawaii's fish, plus an interview with Chef Mavro (who has a fantastic restaurant in Honolulu that was two blocks away from me when I lived there).

http://www.bonappetit.com/restaurants-travel/article/crazy-fish-hawaii

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 16, 2017 06:15 PM (EnKk6)

340 >>>some kind of Rand-Paul-like Stunt Budget

Poetry.

Posted by: m at March 16, 2017 06:19 PM (3jGss)

341 Sounds like you're only interested in giving Obama a black eye and you
don't care about the chaos in the insurance markets that a straight
repeal would cause.
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Not 'only'.

The real problem are the runaway prices the health care industry is imposing on everyone. Both insurance and government subsidies exist primarily to hide these costs by spreading them out, but we've reached a point where they can't be hidden. The entire point of obamacare shaghai-ing young and healthy folks into buying insurance they didn't need was to beef up the cash flow into health care and thus keep prices growing.

Until health care costs are brought down, none of the rest of this discussion much matters as the insurance companies have to charge their customers enough to cover their claims, regardless of what coverage those customers have (this is the inevitable cost of forcing coverage for the uninsurable). Government subsidies for the uninsurable don't change that they just force you to pay through taxes rather than premiums, but the false demand which elevates health care prices for everyone remains.

Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 16, 2017 06:24 PM (3Liv/)

342 "Until health care costs are brought down, none of the rest of this discussion much matters"

And there seems neither the appetite nor the capability inside the Beltway to cut that particular Gordian knot.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 16, 2017 06:28 PM (noWW6)

343 >>As redbanzai has repeatedly explained to you, Ryancare leaves all the objectionable parts of obamacare on the books. Nothing is repealed. Ryan merely modifies the program to try to get the same universal coverage (as his partners in crime stated was their goal at their opening press conference) by slightly different means. For example the mandate is still, there, Ryan just switches enforcement of it to the insurance companies rather than the IRS. But you still pay a penalty for not buying insurance when you choose not to. Using taxpayer funds to cover the uninsurable is using taxpayer money no matter what you call the subsidy.

Well she's just wrong and so are you if you believe her. The penalty for both business and personal has been zeroed out. There is no penalty and this is all you can do under reconciliation as I have stated over and over. Not going to keep trying to explain it to you.

This bill cuts the financial underpinnings of Obamacare and makes it's continuation impossible. That's what you can do at the budget level. The rest comes later as Trump stated quite clearly last night.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2017 06:43 PM (/tuJf)

344 Some of "we" (as in "me") conservatives here in AZ have been trying to get rid of John McCain for decades. "We" do not dutifully vote for him every six years. Instead, "we" try to find a credible conservative to run against him in the primary -- not an easy task, given his many considerable advantages (e.g., incumbency, money, organization, etc.).

"We" have not ousted him yet, but "we" will not stop trying.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 16, 2017 06:56 PM (riF5p)

345 "We don't even have to lie. We just have to actually follow through on things we've claimed to support for 30-40 years."

All we have to do, now, is take these lies and make them true.

Somehow.

Posted by: GalosGann at March 16, 2017 07:12 PM (md1b/)

346 This bill cuts the financial underpinnings of Obamacare and makes it's
continuation impossible. That's what you can do at the budget level.
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There's no reason to address this as a budget level issue. That may have made sense when you were trying to force it on obama as part of a government shutdown threat (i.e. congress exercising the power of the purse-which the GOP didn't want to be bothered to do).

Sabotage no longer is a valid strategy as you have someone in the White House who will sign whatever reaches his desk. You don't have to force anyone's hand by hastening the collapse. Instead, now is the time to pass a simple full repeal only.

There is no reason to even consider the 'replace' scheme at this point unless you're trying to force people who wouldn't support 'replace' into doing so in order to get repeal (which we're not getting). So the Ryan plan is a scam all around, and it is impossible to salvage. Therefore it is vital the Ryan plan be scuttled and replaced with a repeal bill in order to have any chance of a positive effect before the midterms.

You see the GOP has completely screwed the pooch here. The Ryan bill doesn't improve the situation, so when voters see its passage and their bills continue to skyrocket, the GOP would fully own the problem, having claimed all blame away from the Democrats. If they do nothing they still get a share of the blame, though at least it might still be shared with the Dems.

The only way to salvage this situation is full repeal. And they can run on replace next time.


Posted by: Methos, back to Let It Burn at March 16, 2017 07:32 PM (3Liv/)

347 ACE - good piece. On the broader points, I think the differential split between what we thought the political stripes Trump walks in pre-election and what he's shown so far is that we were viewing him from the usual political lenses that we've used for all other regular politicians.

Politics is in itself a professional enterprise, just as much as your common small business.

Many people here right now reside in the latter (myself included).

It is here that we view coworkers at our regular business office by a set of principles custom to that office environment. Behavior, communication, decision-making, and work results are established to a certain normal standard. Their daily focus is to succeed in that arena. We get our news, politics, sports, on social media, tv, radio, AoS and other internet sites.

Trump is private businessman - real-estate, entertainment, private label retail. He plays in these waters, and knows how to please this audience to get things done to further his professional aspirations. He's successful due to mastering the skills and actions to be successful in that arena. His daily focus is to succeed in that arena. Pre-candidate Trump used to get his info from the same places. President Trump gets info from these same places plus his advisors.

Same can be said for the politician - their focus and business is politics. Their office watercooler includes think tanks, lobbyists, interest groups, aids, etc. They get their info that sect.

I think this shared commonality of having the majority of their focus not being on politics, but obtaining info the same sources is key to differentiate why he won. A lot had to do with platform and his anti-MSM fighting spirit early on, but the shared news and info sources between voters and Trump was the same as well. That is powerful. It was just a business guy that knows his customers well - a task made easier because they are linked by where they get their info. He spoke their language, and reacted in the same way they would react. Condition by the same standards both hold professionally and personally (ok maybe, very loosely here).


It was the shared ability to connect with voters in a way not as voter-representative, but as employee-employer or customer-salesman that resounded. I know that is how I slowly turned toward supporting him. I like winners, and have and want to work for CEOs that are successful, and that understand the delicate balance of the two.

Sorry short on time - Politicians on the other hand live in their own special echo chamber habitat. Less connection.

So in summary - I agree with your good piece. Nice touch on the Right Wing Radio (info source)- very salient and sound description.

I think going forward we should expect (ceteris paribus) Trump to stay in sync with conducting his admin more of less in the same fashion in response to what these shared info resources dictate.


--Also, it could be Sean Hannity and Lou Dobbs take turns being behind the wheel of the Trump Vessel, because they found that secret portal in Trump Tower like in 'Being John Malkovich'.

Steve Bannon is Orson Bean's character.

Posted by: Carlos Danger at March 16, 2017 08:03 PM (fFfWq)

348 The rest comes later, my ass. That's just magical thinking or propaganda. The same "not 60 votes" that ostensibly prevents repeal also prevents Phase 3 of this horseshit plan.

And, of course, the GOP could dispense with the filibuster rule anytime it wanted, which there is no reason not to do given that Dems have shown that they jettison it whenever it gets in their way the next time they are in the majority.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at March 16, 2017 08:11 PM (C+n+z)

349 #310 @alexthechick - so not For The Children "Take WaPo snarking that a coal miner will only pay a penny for
supporting PBS. Yes. A penny that was obtained by a gun to his head."

I read somewhere the insightful point that money is fungible, and if it's fair to say something like "this only costs each taxpayer a penny" it's equally fair to say something like "this costs the whole year's income tax from 150 households".

Or as I would have it, 150 households would have one or more adults go to prison unless they pay for this.

That suggests another fun activity. Divide up all the spending and randomly assign each taxpayer some line item and say "Your tax went to:"

So some people could get "Your tax went to: national defense (15% of one F-35)." And one lucky person in 1988 could have gotten "Your tax went to: National Endowment for the Arts (98% of: photo of a crucifix submerged in a jar of urine)."

Some would argue that the work of preparing these taxpayer reports is silly busywork and a waste of time. But I'm always interested in ways to make people notice what their government is actually doing. And I can always hope that the random assignment of the NEA photo would have gone to a Catholic priest who isn't shy about talking to reporters.

Another proposal, one I almost salivate for, would be to get rid of paycheck withholding, and require people to write a check for the full amount of their taxes each year. Instead of "oh, this year I need to write a check for $300 because my withholding wasn't quite high enough" it would be "this year my tax burden is $8250!" (That number is my rough estimate of the average federal income tax paid in the USA.) The government has made paying taxes far too painless.


Posted by: mr_jack at March 16, 2017 08:11 PM (M59SC)

350 I really think he's like a 'common sense' guy...Not ideological obviously..but 'old school'...some of his 'liberal' things I think come from being a 'rich' man for his entire life and actually wanting to help people....like ..theres that story about his limo breaking down and someone stopping and helping him...and then Trump pays his house off or something like that. And many other stories like that. The woman who let live in the 'Tower' rent free for like 20 years..etc....I just think he wants to help people and he actually loves this Country and love people making their own money. And he wants this Country strong. Military and economics make a Country strong. Simple as that. Its not coming from anywhere else except for what he thinks is 'right'...now, obv enough people thought he was 'right' on enough things to elect him President. Not going to agree with everything he wants/says...but....I just hope its not too late. The reaction to this budget by the GOP is pathetic. Simple as that. And as for 'Trumpcare'.....I still think hes giving Ryan enough rope to hang himself with....and then he'll come in with something else. So we shall see.

Posted by: johny boy at March 16, 2017 08:29 PM (UNXWZ)

351 Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. We
Republicans are terrible about wanting all the loaf, every time, and
getting nothing. The Left has always been great about taking half the
loaf now and then coming back for a full loaf later, taking half of it,
then coming back for a full loaf, taking half of it, and before you know
it they got two loaves while no one was watching. If we need 51 to get
some things done and need 60 to get other things done, then let's get
done now what we can get done with 51, rather than insisting on getting
everything done at once.


Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 16, 2017 05:25 PM (jK8Z7)

Ryan's bill is not worth doing.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2017 08:45 PM (FTXAT)

352 322 278 Rapper "Bow Wow" tweeted he wants to pimp out Melania as one of his whores.

Unbelievable.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 16, 2017 05:33 PM (PY9jH)

It's his way to battle against racism. /s
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 16, 2017 05:49 PM (IDPbH)
*****************
pandering charges pending?

Posted by: torabora at March 16, 2017 09:38 PM (AhPGR)

353 There is no such thing as being "too rich".

Posted by: Anna Mac at March 17, 2017 08:01 AM (xujfC)

354 I've gotten so jaded in the last twenty years or so since the Clinton impeachment that I have just been assuming that Republicans are insincere.

Say what you want about Trump, but he seems to be making a yeoman's effort to keep his promises.

Posted by: Reformed Trombonist at March 17, 2017 10:26 AM (2pTMa)

355 Big Bird can go cut a deal with Netflix - problem solved.

Posted by: CoolHandLuke at March 17, 2017 10:29 AM (ZeVko)

356 I've frankly had it with the liars and shrieking blowhards who claim that the ACHA does not get rid of Obamacare or is Obamacare 2,0. It is not. In fact, any member of Congress who votes against the ACA will, in effect, be voting for Obamacare. If nothing is done, Obamacare will crash and the DC cowards will be crying for a single-payer citizen.

Posted by: j. murrell at March 17, 2017 10:20 PM (kW8PA)

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A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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