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How Can Trump "Sabotage" Obamacare, When Obama Already Took Care of That?

Obamacare has failed, and is in the death spiral already -- but the Protect Precious Press is trying to pin Obama's disaster on the Republicans and Trump.

Posted by: Ace at 03:06 PM




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1 All things are the fault of Republicans. Duh.

Posted by: First Rule of Politics at March 15, 2017 03:07 PM (b2jHL)

2 Willowed:

Ah, fudgepops. Pooky's been calling me all day since
his psychiatrist (the one who over-prescribed Ambien, screwed up
Pooky's PT waiver, was rude to me while Pooky was in the ICU, and has
canceled critical appointments) is trying to railroad him into an
administrative discharge. The base mental health clinic is not following
its own basic procedures and Pooky's paying the price for it. I can't
have him wind up in the hospital again, but that's where Mental Health
might send him today.


Posted by: pookysgirl at March 15, 2017 03:07 PM (ar2KI)

Posted by: pookysgirl at March 15, 2017 03:08 PM (ar2KI)

3 Nice point of impact ya have their for your healthcare policies, be a shame if something happened to it.

Posted by: First Rule of Politics at March 15, 2017 03:10 PM (b2jHL)

4 What?!? Top 10?

I'd like to see either straight repeal, or a death spiral.


Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 15, 2017 03:10 PM (8iiMU)

5 Er...CAN one sabotage something that was already nothing but an act of sabotage to begin with?

Posted by: Stu-22 at March 15, 2017 03:10 PM (rUc9h)

6 It would help if Susan Collins would find another line of work: crash test dummy comes to mind.

Posted by: pep at March 15, 2017 03:10 PM (LAe3v)

7 Posted by: pep at March 15, 2017 03:10 PM (LAe3v)

that band is still around?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 15, 2017 03:11 PM (8iiMU)

8 I saw Straight Repeal open for Death Spiral back in 2009. Awesome show.

Posted by: First Rule of Politics at March 15, 2017 03:11 PM (b2jHL)

9 Death spiral? Like the current Democrat Party?

Posted by: Stu-22 at March 15, 2017 03:12 PM (rUc9h)

10 The GOPe are helping this memo mightily by "fixing" this disaster rather than repealing it and replacing it, as they campaigned on.

Posted by: Flyboy at March 15, 2017 03:12 PM (MRZ/C)

11 The GOP sabotaged Obamacare by not voting for it in 2009 and 2010.

That's my Story and I am sticking to it!

Posted by: The MSM at March 15, 2017 03:13 PM (iT57s)

12 9 Death spiral? Like the current Democrat Party?
Posted by: Stu-22 at March 15, 2017 03:12 PM (rUc9h)


The only thing keeping them alive and a threat is, get this, the GOP.

Shocking, I know.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2017 03:13 PM (mbhDw)

13 10 The GOPe are helping this memo mightily by "fixing" this disaster rather than repealing it and replacing it, as they campaigned on.
Posted by: Flyboy at March 15, 2017 03:12 PM (MRZ/C)

GOPe is a circular firing squad...

Posted by: Don Q. at March 15, 2017 03:13 PM (NgKpN)

14 I think Trump should just pull back. Let the damn thing crash and burn. Say see I told you. Then we can begin again.....Pollyanna I know but can't get any worse I think.

Posted by: AnnaS at March 15, 2017 03:14 PM (l4l/z)

15 Wreckers!

Posted by: pep at March 15, 2017 03:14 PM (LAe3v)

16 Liz Claman is looking interesting in her teal top.

She is hyperventilating after Yellen's press conference.

Quarter point raise.



Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at March 15, 2017 03:14 PM (8iiMU)

17 Death spiral? Like the tunnels that may or may not exist underneath Harry Reid's secluded hunting cabin with the jungle gym outside?

Posted by: Stu-22 at March 15, 2017 03:14 PM (rUc9h)

18 Death Spiral was known as the Flaming Turds..

The record company decided that they needed a rebranding..

Posted by: catman at March 15, 2017 03:14 PM (5H2BV)

19
Luap the Lesser is going apeshit on Paul Ryan and the rest of the GOP.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-

government/2017/03/15/exclusive-rand-paul-lets-

smash-paul-ryans-obamacare-lite-to-smithereens/

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2017 03:14 PM (mbhDw)

20 The Morning Blow panel badgered Rep. Steve Scalise this morning - "why the rush" to replace Obamacare.

As if they're completely unaware of how it passed in the first place. But they are not, of course, unaware. They are a propaganda outfit for the DNC.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 15, 2017 03:14 PM (ul9CR)

21 The Affordable Care Act is wonderful?

What?

Of course I don't have it, are you fucking insane?

Posted by: Maureen Dowd at March 15, 2017 03:14 PM (OwdyX)

22 21 The Affordable Care Act is wonderful?

What?

Of course I don't have it, are you fucking insane?
Posted by: Maureen Dowd at March 15, 2017 03:14 PM (OwdyX)

=================

"Medicaid, too. No, I don't have that either, but it's the best and if you take away from poor people you are the devil."
-Also Dowd

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 03:15 PM (GrpW6)

23 6 It would help if Susan Collins would find another line of work: crash test dummy comes to mind.
Posted by: pep at March 15, 2017 03:10 PM (LAe3v)


She and Murkowski can reenact "Thelma and Louise." For real.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2017 03:15 PM (mbhDw)

24 "Death Spiral" has to be taken, it's too good.

If it isn't, I'll start a prog-metal band just to use it.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 15, 2017 03:15 PM (ul9CR)

25 How do they sleep at night?

Never mind.

Posted by: 80's music fan at March 15, 2017 03:16 PM (PHcLa)

26 Right, back on topic..... The local VA is treating Pooky better than the base, but I don't want him to get shoved into the VA bureaucracy before it gets fixed.

Posted by: pookysgirl at March 15, 2017 03:17 PM (ar2KI)

27 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2017 03:14 PM (mbhDw)

I didn't like it when Eddie Munster referred to Luap Lesser's objections to his "plan" as a publicity stunt.

That was a smear and reveals the Wisconsin weasel's true agenda.

Posted by: kallisto at March 15, 2017 03:18 PM (nNdYv)

28 Biggest question on their mind, "Does any of our shit work?"

Posted by: 80's music fan at March 15, 2017 03:18 PM (PHcLa)

29 We have to let it fail so we can see what's rotting inside of it.

-Nancy Pelosi

Posted by: Dang at March 15, 2017 03:18 PM (8b+oT)

30 Speaking of sabotage, Julian Assange has warned on Twitter of the following:

"Clinton stated privately this month that she is quietly pushing for a
Pence takeover. She stated that Pence is predictable hence defeatable."

"Two IC officials close to Pence stated privately this month that they
are planning on a Pence takeover. Did not state if Pence agrees."

"It should be noted that both the officials close to Pence and Hillary
Clinton spoke of moving towards an 'impeachment' not other action."

The war intensifies.

Posted by: S at March 15, 2017 03:19 PM (YtzJ5)

31 On current trajectory it may be impossible to do any kind of Replace without a few D Senators going along to make 60, which Scorched Earth Schumer won't let happen.

End game may the Rs try their darndest but the Ds won't help to fix what they created, so let Obamacare crash and burn as a necessary next step. A lot of people will get hurt by this, but it really is the Ds fault -- Pelosi even more than Obama

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 03:19 PM (SIY7D)

32 Will the press give Republicans credit for attempting to pass a repeal/replace/whatever bill in a much more open fashion than Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi did with the ACA?

Why are you laughing?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 03:19 PM (GrpW6)

33 Trump has presumably accepted Russian assistance in his plot to sabotage Obama-care.

Posted by: Undocumented at March 15, 2017 03:19 PM (SsblQ)

34 Trump needs to tell 'em all to Get Stuffed.

He can phrase it a bit more diplomatically, of course, but "Get Stuffed" should be his central theme.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 15, 2017 03:20 PM (MzkbU)

35 The war intensifies.
Posted by: S at March 15, 2017 03:19 PM (YtzJ5)


You know who else's war intensified?

Posted by: kallisto at March 15, 2017 03:20 PM (nNdYv)

36 The base mental health clinic is not following
its own basic procedures and Pooky's paying the price for it. I can't
have him wind up in the hospital again, but that's where Mental Health
might send him today.


Posted by: pookysgirl at March 15, 2017 03:07 PM (ar2KI)

There is a reason why the coin for his MOS says "we eat our own" you have had my prayer from the start of this mess. Hes not the first AF security forces guy i have seen get fucked over like this. You both have my best wishes

Posted by: Gushka can has kitties what plays fetch at March 15, 2017 03:20 PM (Xdm7c)

37
Well Trump's already been President for what 1 - 2 months now?

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 03:21 PM (Q5kE6)

38 It is still going to crash and burn but now the blame will fall squarely on the GOP.

Posted by: navybrat at March 15, 2017 03:21 PM (w7KSn)

39 You know who else's war intensified?

Posted by: Amy Shumer at March 15, 2017 03:21 PM (OwdyX)

40 that's what that Politico writer gets for watching so much TV!

Posted by: the Butcher at March 15, 2017 03:21 PM (AGJqR)

41 The GOP should have done a straight repeal on January 16, and had it on President Donald Trump's desk on the afternoon of January 20th.

Except that would provide wonderful optics for PDT, and boost his popularity. The passive aggressive shit weasels in the GOP establishment and their slimy big money donors would never do that. They hate President Trump more than the Democrats.

Appeal with an active date of December 31, 2019. That gives them almost three years to get it right. Three Years ro create a Replacement! And if the Senate Democrats block good replacement plans, you have a great club to go after all of them in the 2018 midterm elections. Twenty five Senate seats.

But no, we have the M-Fing Stupid Party hamstringing Repeal.

Posted by: rd at March 15, 2017 03:21 PM (iT57s)

42 Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 03:19 PM

Who is at fault and who takes the blame are seldom the same.

Posted by: Paolo at March 15, 2017 03:22 PM (S2VsH)

43 I prefer "circling the bowl" to "death spiral"....

Posted by: the Butcher at March 15, 2017 03:23 PM (AGJqR)

44 I can't really take a side here, because nothing from either side is going to be worth a crap. Congress won't give up power and money from controlling a huge portion of the US economy, the president seems to like socialized medicine to some degree at least, and Democrats reflexively oppose every single thing the Republians offer no matter what. Its all just going to be a huge crap sandwich.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 03:23 PM (39g3+)

45
I saw Death Spiral open for Spinal Tap who opened for a Puppet Show

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2017 03:24 PM (493sH)

46 Posted by: rd at March 15, 2017 03:21 PM (iT57s)

The best outcome of this obamacare repeal snafu is that Speaker Eddie Munster gets dethroned.

If the peeps in his district still want him for representative, they are welcome to him. Just get the speaker gavel out his hand.

Posted by: kallisto at March 15, 2017 03:24 PM (nNdYv)

47 Posted by: pookysgirl at March 15, 2017 03:08 PM (ar2KI)

I know very little about the workings of the VA but you might consider finding a patient advocate or attorney who does VA benefits work.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:24 PM (0mRoj)

48 There is a reason why the coin for his MOS says "we
eat our own" you have had my prayer from the start of this mess. Hes not
the first AF security forces guy i have seen get fucked over like this.
You both have my best wishes

Posted by: Gushka can has kitties what plays fetch at March 15, 2017 03:20 PM (Xdm7c)

He's not an SFer, but yeah, the HQ down in Florida is not helping by trying to punish him in ways they're not allowed to do.

Posted by: pookysgirl at March 15, 2017 03:24 PM (ar2KI)

49 Funny part? Democrats are calling it Trumpcare, like it's a pejorative. But Obamacare was originally coined as complimentary. It only became derisive after the way it was implemented, the lies and the destructive cost and penalties.

If it works out as expected, I think Trumpcare will be a fine name.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 15, 2017 03:24 PM (6hoR5)

50 I say we hang them all: GOPe/DEMs, nuke them from orbit; it's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Strobe at March 15, 2017 03:25 PM (gbWkA)

51 Sounds like another double-down opportunity for PDT.
Off to make more popcorn!

Posted by: Diogenes at March 15, 2017 03:25 PM (0tfLf)

52 "Who is at fault and who takes the blame are seldom the same."

Yep. But Trump has an ability to go over MSM and speak directly. Do a town hall and lay it all out.

Are Chuck and Nancy still planning to shut down government over Planned Parenthood?

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 03:25 PM (SIY7D)

53 Posted by: S at March 15, 2017 03:19 PM (YtzJ5)


And Pence's response to this was "offensive and ridiculous" I'm sure he loves being called malleable.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 03:25 PM (fDdVG)

54 You broke whats broken so you broke it

Posted by: Skip at March 15, 2017 03:25 PM (GPaiX)

55 "Obamacare has failed, and is in the death spiral already"
............

Don't worry, Paul Ryan is trying to save it!

Posted by: wth at March 15, 2017 03:26 PM (HgMAr)

56 The Russians hacked Obamacare!

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:26 PM (0mRoj)

57 Pro-tip to Trump,

Make a speech and say, "if democrats love Obamacare so much, they can have it...good and hard." Then enforce, to the maximum extent possible, every single provision of Obamacare exactly as it is written. Taxes, penalties, no transferring money to insurance companies to keep them in the market. No exceptions for any union, or corporation.

The dirty secret of Obamacare is that we have never actually had Obamacare - he was careful to shield us from the bad stuff (executive discretion) while only implementing the good stuff. people who support Obamacare have never dealt with half the bad crap in there.

Then pass a simple law, if states want to do something different, then can "opt out" of Obamacare and implement their own plans.

Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at March 15, 2017 03:26 PM (UgF8H)

58 All I know is that it would be unfair to charge smokers more for insurance due to their lifestyle choice. Pole smokers that is. Regular smokers? Fuck those guys.

Posted by: Lord Sir x at March 15, 2017 03:26 PM (nFwvY)

59 Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:24 PM (0mRoj)

Sounds like a good idea, Pookysgirl.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 03:26 PM (fDdVG)

60 2 Willowed:

Ah, fudgepops. Pooky's been calling me all day since
his psychiatrist (the one who over-prescribed Ambien, screwed up
Pooky's PT waiver, was rude to me while Pooky was in the ICU, and has
canceled critical appointments) is trying to railroad him into an
administrative discharge. The base mental health clinic is not following
its own basic procedures and Pooky's paying the price for it. I can't
have him wind up in the hospital again, but that's where Mental Health
might send him today.


Posted by: pookysgirl at March 15, 2017 03:07 PM (ar2KI)
Posted by: pookysgirl at March 15, 2017 03:08 PM (ar2KI)

------------

THIS IS WHAT SINGLE PAYER LOOKS LIKE FROM THE INSIDE!!!

Posted by: rd at March 15, 2017 03:26 PM (iT57s)

61 "S" .. That follows "Wynn" in the Moron Dictionary, right?

Posted by: catman at March 15, 2017 03:26 PM (5H2BV)

62 Oh and don't forget how f*ucked i am becuse of Trump.

Big time boned i tell ya'.

Posted by: Gaia at March 15, 2017 03:27 PM (1G2ms)

63 Who is at fault and who takes the blame are seldom the same.

Tell me about it

Posted by: Scooter Libby at March 15, 2017 03:27 PM (39g3+)

64 Posted by: catman at March 15, 2017 03:26 PM (5H2BV)

Is your last name Crothers?

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:27 PM (0mRoj)

65 I'm still not sure that the GOPe plan they sent to Odumbo that was vetoed is now no good. Anyone care to enlighten me?

Posted by: Strobe at March 15, 2017 03:28 PM (gbWkA)

66 Michael Ramirez graphically explains the reasoning process of the Republican Party with regard to the ACA.

http://tinyurl.com/zrovzk5

Posted by: torquewrench at March 15, 2017 03:28 PM (noWW6)

67 I don't know how much Price can do by regulatory fiat as head of HHS. Probably a lot of little things that add up.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 03:28 PM (SIY7D)

68 How do they sleep at night?
...........

Usually on their sides, on pallets of shrink-wrapped cash.

Posted by: wth at March 15, 2017 03:28 PM (HgMAr)

69 POTUS has a an appearance in Tennessee this eve 6:15:

livestream link

right now they're replaying the MI speech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i19Aim7_Xts

Posted by: kallisto at March 15, 2017 03:28 PM (nNdYv)

70 O/T I think the USS Harvey Milk would be the perfect name if the Navy ever commissions a new Q-Ship.

Posted by: Squinty at March 15, 2017 03:29 PM (1mpdO)

71 Posted by: catman at March 15, 2017 03:26 PM (5H2BV)

I did consider what the point of S' post is?. To demoralize us? I already knew the info he/she posted.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 03:29 PM (fDdVG)

72 The problem is you have Republicans from poor rural areas who suddenly realize they want a big part of the giveaway for their constituents who lives off everyone else. They don't want to give up O Care now that it's actually time to really do something. They want mo money.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 15, 2017 03:29 PM (6hoR5)

73 THIS IS WHAT SINGLE PAYER LOOKS LIKE FROM THE INSIDE!!!

Posted by: rd at March 15, 2017 03:26 PM (iT57s)

This, a thousand times. You, too, can have a PA prescribe 900 mg Motrin for a missed, misdiagnosed, collapsed lung and call you a malingerer in the process.
This - apologies to competent and compassionate VA providers - is single payer care.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 15, 2017 03:29 PM (GX63o)

74 67 I don't know how much Price can do by regulatory fiat as head of HHS. Probably a lot of little things that add up.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 03:28 PM (SIY7D)

He can direct the rulemaking process, but typically proposed regs have to be published in the Federal Register for a notice and comment period before a final rule is issued. Agency heads can't legally just make it up as they go.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:30 PM (0mRoj)

75 Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at March 15, 2017 03:26 PM (UgF8H)

Exactly this has been the *good*, or at least "least bad" parts of Barkycare. Just imagine the rest of it.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 15, 2017 03:30 PM (sEDyY)

76 I know very little about the workings of the VA
but you might consider finding a patient advocate or attorney who does
VA benefits work.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:24 PM (0mRoj)

The local VA has all the paperwork if he gets medboarded and they've been pushing for his problems to get solved. But today the psychiatrist said that the 2500+ questionnaire Pooky did yesterday (that the doc didn't read the results of) was a "test" to see if he's faking the depression symptoms. His psychologist is meeting with him Friday and she had hoped to see the test results by then. If she thinks he's "faking it" we're going to the Patient Advocate, because what the hell is the point of him scoring high on dozens of separate depression tests if they're just going to throw out the results?!

Posted by: pookysgirl at March 15, 2017 03:30 PM (ar2KI)

77 Yeah and I stay at a creepy hotel in the Colorodo Mountains too. I really hate shovels..

Posted by: "Zombie" catman at March 15, 2017 03:30 PM (5jdSv)

78 70 O/T I think the USS Harvey Milk would be the perfect name if the Navy ever commissions a new Q-Ship.
Posted by: Squinty at March 15, 2017 03:29 PM (1mpdO)

It loves taking torpedoes in the aft.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:31 PM (0mRoj)

79 You know, when Trump got elected I thought here is the first time that we have a President who has no responsibility in any way for the events and legislation that came before him so he cannot be blamed for it.

I thought that because I'm stupid.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 15, 2017 03:31 PM (mf5HN)

80 Right, back on topic..... The local VA is treating Pooky better than the base, but I don't want him to get shoved into the VA bureaucracy before it gets fixed.
Posted by: pookysgirl at March 15, 2017 03:17 PM (ar2KI)


We had similar issues with navy hospital. usmc wasnt any better. We had ussues from him getting sick in Iraq, then same infection again just after he got home, nearly died. The lost all record of treatment.. Glad you are having better luck with VA than Grimmy had we are still trying to get it all straightened out. Half his file was missing.

Posted by: Gushka can has kitties what plays fetch at March 15, 2017 03:31 PM (Xdm7c)

81 I'd be thrilled if someone would "Impeach" Hillary Clinton. Yes, I know she doesn't hold an office-I mean go after her for many criminal things she's done..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 03:32 PM (fDdVG)

82 I did consider what the point of S' post is?. To demoralize us? I already knew the info he/she posted.

Oh, probably. Although some people are just Eeyores and enjoy misery and talking about the worst case scenario. Its all just background noise, means nothing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 03:32 PM (39g3+)

83 This Obamacare replacement is the only thing giving me heartburn about Trump. He's come through on so many other things, but I'm really hoping he can figure this one out. Screw workout boy Ryan

Posted by: BacktoGA at March 15, 2017 03:33 PM (QUl0c)

84 The local VA has all the paperwork if he gets medboarded and they've been pushing for his problems to get solved. But today the psychiatrist said that the 2500+ questionnaire Pooky did yesterday (that the doc didn't read the results of) was a "test" to see if he's faking the depression symptoms. His psychologist is meeting with him Friday and she had hoped to see the test results by then. If she thinks he's "faking it" we're going to the Patient Advocate, because what the hell is the point of him scoring high on dozens of separate depression tests if they're just going to throw out the results?!
Posted by: pookysgirl at March 15, 2017 03:30 PM (ar2KI)

If I was sitting at a desk I'd be banging my head on it. What the hell do they think got him hospitalized in the first place?

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:33 PM (0mRoj)

85 Just the right shade of nipple rouge will fix this.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at March 15, 2017 03:33 PM (HgMAr)

86 One of the current problems is the involvement of the CBO as arbiter.

MSNBC recently had Peter Orzag on criticizing the R initiatives based off the CBO report. Even though this cocksucker was the point guy on gaming the CBO report back in 2009. Things like 10 years of revenue, vs 6.5 years of expense. Shit like. He and Gruber were a tag team fucking America with blatant lies.

One pernicious aspect was including new taxes in the CBO scoring when they could have been used for any other purpose, just as well. Now if you Repeal Obamacare (which eliminates these taxes) it's sure to blow up the deficit the way that CBO looks at it

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 03:33 PM (SIY7D)

87 Trump has a rally scheduled in Kentucky on Monday.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 15, 2017 03:33 PM (vg8iE)

88 79 You know, when Trump got elected I thought here is the first time that we have a President who has no responsibility in any way for the events and legislation that came before him so he cannot be blamed for it.

I thought that because I'm stupid.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 15, 2017 03:31 PM (mf5HN)

=================

"Well, if Republicans had just gotten over their 'objections' to the ACA and done what Democrats wanted, we wouldn't be in this mess, would we?!?!? Republicans are the fucking worst."
-The New York Times, reporting

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 03:33 PM (GrpW6)

89 82 I did consider what the point of S' post is?. To demoralize us? I already knew the info he/she posted.

Oh, probably. Although some people are just Eeyores and enjoy misery and talking about the worst case scenario. Its all just background noise, means nothing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 03:32 PM (39g3+)

Watch it, bub. That's my spirit animal you're talking about.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:34 PM (0mRoj)

90 I'll tell you what, the idea of the same government that brought us the DMV and VA running my health care as I get older sounds just peachy! Give me a double helping of that stuff, Margaret!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 03:34 PM (39g3+)

91 87 Trump has a rally scheduled in Kentucky on Monday.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 15, 2017 03:33 PM (vg8iE)

===================

In an attempt to go after Rand Paul, who's trying to push the repeal/replace legislation into more of a "repeal it all now" direction.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 03:34 PM (GrpW6)

92 If I was sitting at a desk I'd be banging my head on it. What the hell do they think got him hospitalized in the first place?

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:33 PM (0mRoj)

This feels like an ass-covering to me, and I'm not going to stand by while some quack tries to sweep my husband's problems under the rug to cover up his own medical malpractice.

Posted by: pookysgirl at March 15, 2017 03:35 PM (ar2KI)

93 56 The Russians hacked Obamacare!
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:26 PM (0mRoj)

You jest, but there were idiots out there saying that Ryanocare was a Russian plot to kill Americans.

Posted by: josephistan at March 15, 2017 03:35 PM (7HtZB)

94 I think President Trump needs to focus on his real enemies rather than allies who disagree on occasion. He's got people trying to destroy him, there's no time or energy to be spent on arguing with Rand Paul.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 03:35 PM (39g3+)

95 This feels like an ass-covering to me, and I'm not going to stand by while some quack tries to sweep my husband's problems under the rug to cover up his own medical malpractice.
Posted by: pookysgirl at March 15, 2017 03:35 PM (ar2KI)

Nor should you.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:36 PM (0mRoj)

96 I'd say GAP/Trump should step back and let it fail, except we really, really need to kill it before it harms US healthcare more than it already has.

The MSM crying that it will kill people - helloooooo, US life expectancy has gone down since 2010, you guys!!!!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 03:36 PM (NOIQH)

97 @2 ... Is Pooky on PRP (Personnel Reliability Program)?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 15, 2017 03:36 PM (hqZPQ)

98 You jest, but there were idiots out there saying that Ryanocare was a Russian plot to kill Americans.
Posted by: josephistan at March 15, 2017 03:35 PM (7HtZB)

I just can't...I can't even...

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:36 PM (0mRoj)

99
OT-ish:

Massive turnout in the Dutch elections. I have to think that that can only help Wilders. Soros notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2017 03:37 PM (mbhDw)

100 We must find solace and solidarity in TV.

Posted by: Dr. Snowflake at March 15, 2017 03:37 PM (vtcmf)

101 pookysgirl, you and yours are in my prayers.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 15, 2017 03:37 PM (mf5HN)

102 Blaming the janitors for not having the mess from the party cleaned up on time.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 15, 2017 03:37 PM (hLRSq)

103 >>He can direct the rulemaking process, but typically proposed regs have to be published in the Federal Register for a notice and comment period before a final rule is issued. Agency heads can't legally just make it up as they go.

Actually, he can. Broad new powers were specifically given to the head of HHS under Obamacare to do an enormous amount of things. It was embedded right in the law.

Aside from all the other problems with Obamacare this was a huge part of the problem. Even when the law was passed we couldn't see everything that was in the law because much of it was indeed "made up as they went along". Obamacare itself was more of a framework with most of the details being filled in by HHS after the law was passed.

However, much like Obama EOs, a lot of this can also be wiped out with a simple wave of the pen and phone.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 03:37 PM (/tuJf)

104 His psychologist is meeting with him Friday and she had hoped to see the test results by then. If she thinks he's "faking it" we're going to the Patient Advocate, because what the hell is the point of him scoring high on dozens of separate depression tests if they're just going to throw out the results?!
Posted by: pookysgirl at March 15, 2017 03:30 PM (ar2KI)


This is why so many guys decide to suck start a 9 mil. I came to the conclusion its on purpose. I could tell you stories. If you are on the yahoo group we could email.

Posted by: Gushka can has kitties what plays fetch at March 15, 2017 03:38 PM (Xdm7c)

105 99
OT-ish:

Massive turnout in the Dutch elections. I have to think that that can only help Wilders. Soros notwithstanding.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2017 03:37 PM (mbhDw)

==================

Fingers crossed.

It's my bet too that increased turnout means more people who want a change in the direction of their country.

We'll see starting with exit polls in about 15 minutes.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 03:38 PM (GrpW6)

106 58 All I know is that it would be unfair to charge smokers more for insurance due to their lifestyle choice. Pole smokers that is. Regular smokers? Fuck those guys.
Posted by: Lord Sir x at March 15, 2017 03:26 PM (nFwvY)



We all accept that smoking increases the liklihood of cancer, either by causing it or by aggravating what cancer is already there. (The actual causal link is still not known)

But the idea that butt-sex, with multiple male partners, is inherently dangerous is somehow verboten to mention.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 15, 2017 03:39 PM (ujg0T)

107 Lol. The Saudi Deputy Crown Prince just called Trump "a true friend of Muslims".

Explody heads all over liberal land. Again.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 15, 2017 03:39 PM (6hoR5)

108 "Clinton spoke of moving towards an 'impeachment' not other action. The war intensifies."

Like White Russians in exile, plotting how they're going to "rally the people," create a coup and retake their rightful position.

Heh

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 03:39 PM (SIY7D)

109 Is Pooky on PRP (Personnel Reliability Program)?


Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 15, 2017 03:36 PM (hqZPQ)

No, but he has been designated by Mental Health as "High Interest." Which means that when talked to them multiple times on 03 Jan, they should have asked him if he was going to harm himself or others, they didn't, and he wound up in the ICU after a suicide attempt.

Posted by: pookysgirl at March 15, 2017 03:39 PM (ar2KI)

110 Screw workout boy Ryan

Posted by: BacktoGA at March 15, 2017 03:33 PM (QUl0c)
............

I was hoping he might borrow Harry Reids old exercise machine.

Posted by: wth at March 15, 2017 03:40 PM (HgMAr)

111 Dutch Press. Like the liberals here, are saying the large turnout is because "the people abhor what Wilders stands for".

Yeah, just like Trump I'll bet.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 15, 2017 03:41 PM (6hoR5)

112 It's going to be an early evening.

Posted by: The Little Ducth Boy at March 15, 2017 03:41 PM (vtcmf)

113 I have been remiss not to say it before, but thank you pookysgirl for sticking by him and being a strong advocate for proper care.

Please thank him for his service, from me.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 15, 2017 03:41 PM (GX63o)

114 108 "Clinton spoke of moving towards an 'impeachment' not other action. The war intensifies."

Hillary will never be President...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 15, 2017 03:41 PM (O2RFr)

115 111 Dutch Press. Like the liberals here, are saying the large turnout is because "the people abhor what Wilders stands for".

Yeah, just like Trump I'll bet.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 15, 2017 03:41 PM (6hoR5)

================

I'm betting there's a decent chance that the Dutch press has a better finger on the pulse of the Dutch people than I do.

We'll see, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 03:41 PM (GrpW6)

116 The Russians in exile were a heck of a lot more appealing than the Communists/Globalist Clintons and their crooked ilk, but yes, the plotting does sound like that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 03:42 PM (fDdVG)

117 Libs just want Trump gone, they do not care the mechanism. They are all over this Russia thing to call it Treason which is punishable by death.

They know it is bogus, but they would kill the guy just to get him out of power.


Posted by: blaster at March 15, 2017 03:42 PM (tewYv)

118 111 Dutch Press. Like the liberals here, are saying the large turnout is because "the people abhor what Wilders stands for".

If so they deserve what they get...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 15, 2017 03:42 PM (O2RFr)

119

Rapper Ice-T said that he thinks Snoop Dogg shooting a clown dressed up as President Donald Trump in his video was just “artisitic,” but if it was Barack Obama that “would be terrible.”

“I think it would be terrible,” he added when asked what if it was Obama instead. “Obama wasn’t the same kind of guy as Trump. It was very hard to make an Obama joke it wasn’t because of his race, it was because Obama was such a smooth character.”

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 15, 2017 03:42 PM (IqV8l)

120
Hitler also sabotaged health care.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 15, 2017 03:42 PM (MCtb9)

121 From the very beginning, the Democrat mantra has been "Coverage". There is a great, vast, gulf between "Coverage" and "Health Care".

The media (I'm being redundant here) have been complicit in promoting the narrative.

Medicaid, which was intended as a safety net (See: Social Security), has been completely adulterated.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2017 03:43 PM (ZO497)

122 120
Hitler also sabotaged health care.
Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 15, 2017 03:42 PM (MCtb9)

===============

With...single payer?

"Shhh....shut up. Don't say it."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 03:43 PM (GrpW6)

123 120
Hitler also sabotaged health care.
Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 15, 2017 03:42 PM (MCtb9)

You know who else did that? That's right - Obama.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:43 PM (0mRoj)

124 In his own words Paul Ryno said he would never support Trump.

I take him at his word on this.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 15, 2017 03:43 PM (cOHS7)

125 That fat f*ck David Cay Johnston who was on with Maddow last night, said Melania "did do very sleazy porn."

Holy cats, I hope Trump sues the bejeesus out of his scruffy prog ass.

The Golden Scalp Weasel needs to rain pain down on these libs. Then, let's see *their* tax returns.

*fuming*

Sorry. Was out running pre-funeral errands all over town and just had to blow off steam.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 15, 2017 03:43 PM (PY9jH)

126
You know who else did that? That's right - Obama.

So.... Nazi...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 15, 2017 03:43 PM (O2RFr)

127 Granted, Wilders doesn't mince around with what he says, but if the Dutch people abhor what he stands for they're looking at a repeat of Germany.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 03:44 PM (fDdVG)

128 The GOP never really wanted to repeal ACA. It remains just the lesser of Big Gov but, nevertheless, Big Gov all the same. Uniparty is not some fiction. It wants the issue, not resolution. I should think its action now based on all the show-voting the entire Obama era would bear witness to this.

Notice it is still about improving insurance and not healthcare and free markets. These are, mostly, not serious people. These are parasites desperately clinging to their phony-baloney jobs.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 15, 2017 03:44 PM (1CroS)

129 126
You know who else did that? That's right - Obama.

So.... Nazi...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 15, 2017 03:43 PM (O2RFr)

Fascist but no nationalism.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:44 PM (0mRoj)

130 Dutch turnout is over 80 percent.

*crossing fingers

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 03:45 PM (2x9LM)

131 If Wilders wins, please G-d, it might even be a bigger shock than perhaps Brexit. The Turks are going to burn Rotterdam to the ground, just like the Luftwaffe did in 1940.

Worse.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2017 03:45 PM (mbhDw)

132 129 126
You know who else did that? That's right - Obama.

So.... Nazi...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 15, 2017 03:43 PM (O2RFr)

Fascist but no nationalism.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:44 PM (0mRoj)

=================

"It was nationalism that led to World War II! Socialism was just the innocent bystander!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 03:45 PM (GrpW6)

133 127 Granted, Wilders doesn't mince around with what he says, but if the Dutch people abhor what he stands for they're looking at a repeat of Germany.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 03:44 PM (fDdVG)

Hide your kids! Hide your livestock!

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:45 PM (0mRoj)

134 Rapper Ice-T said that he thinks Snoop Dogg shooting a clown dressed up as President Donald Trump in his video was just “artisitic,” but if it was Barack Obama that “would be terrible.”
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Yeah. It gets you a visit from the DoJ, and a free enrollment in Sensitivity Camp.

Posted by: Rodeo Clown at March 15, 2017 03:45 PM (ZO497)

135 That fat f*ck David Cay Johnston who was on with Maddow last night, said Melania "did do very sleazy porn."

How does he know? Was he watching it?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 03:45 PM (fDdVG)

136 118 111 Dutch Press. Like the liberals here, are saying the large turnout is because "the people abhor what Wilders stands for".

If so they deserve what they get...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 15, 2017 03:42 PM (O2RFr)


Yeah, except the people who vote for Wilders will get it too.

Posted by: rickl at March 15, 2017 03:45 PM (zoehZ)

137 I have a close friend in Amsterdam. He believes the support for Wilders is significantly underestimated because people don't want to be called a bigot. But going into the polls is another matter. Nobody knows who you voted for.

Still he thinks the liberals will mindlessly sink the country further and could win. It's going to be close

Posted by: Marcus T at March 15, 2017 03:45 PM (6hoR5)

138 Hitler also sabotaged health care.
Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 15, 2017 03:42 PM (MCtb9)

===============

With...single payer?

"Shhh....shut up. Don't say it.



"The Fuhrer with one ball, pays it all."

The marketing slogan sounded better in the original Austrian.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 15, 2017 03:45 PM (8ZskC)

139 127 Granted, Wilders doesn't mince around with what he says, but if the Dutch people abhor what he stands for they're looking at a repeat of Germany.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 03:44 PM (fDdVG)


If the Dutch people abhorred what he stands for, he wouldn't be where he is today.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2017 03:45 PM (mbhDw)

140 "That fat f*ck David Cay Johnston who was on with Maddow last night, said Melania "did do very sleazy porn."

Did he really? Maybe why he was picked to be the catspaw to get the 1040 in the mail. Knew he'd use it.

(My working theory has been that Trump leaked it)

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 03:45 PM (SIY7D)

141 130 Dutch turnout is over 80 percent.

*crossing fingers
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 03:45 PM (2x9LM)

=================

7pm GMT update: With an hour until polls close IPSOS NL has projected a record turnout of 80.2 per cent - 5.6 per cent higher than in 2012.

Exit polls, which are generally quite reliable in the Netherlands, will be published at 8pm.

=================

Please let this mean what I think it means...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 03:46 PM (GrpW6)

142 And now, Netherlands election news:

Dutch Cocoa is winning over Dutch Treat, but Dutch Oven is coming up quick from behind.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 03:46 PM (39g3+)

143 Yeah, except the people who vote for Wilders will get it too.

I know... See:eight years of Obama...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 15, 2017 03:46 PM (O2RFr)

144 The GOP never really wanted to repeal ACA. It remains just the lesser of Big Gov but, nevertheless, Big Gov all the same.

The problem is the voters like the expensive parts of the ACA. They just don't want to pay for it. This can really only end one way - the taxpayers pay for everything.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 15, 2017 03:46 PM (Xuv2G)

145 Sorry to hear about your beau, Pookysgirl...AF (all services) have a duty of care beyond the capacity to hold a rifle. I hope they can help.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 15, 2017 03:46 PM (hqZPQ)

146 142 And now, Netherlands election news:

Dutch Cocoa is winning over Dutch Treat, but Dutch Oven is coming up quick from behind.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 03:46 PM (39g3+)

Dutch Masters still smoking the competition.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:46 PM (0mRoj)

147 Dutch turnout is over 80 percent.

*crossing fingers
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 03:45 PM (2x9LM)


Let us pray to God that they have finally woken up....

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 15, 2017 03:46 PM (wtvvX)

148 I would be frankly stunned if Wilders and his party won even large minority. Whatever the voting turns out like.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 03:47 PM (39g3+)

149 >>>>I think Trump should just pull back. Let the damn thing crash and burn.
Say see I told you. Then we can begin again.....Pollyanna I know but
can't get any worse I think.
.
.
.It doesn't work that way. Even though obamacare was written and passed and signed into law by obama without a single Republican vote, it will be the Republicans fault when it fails because Trump. That's just how things work with the left.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 15, 2017 03:47 PM (le7jz)

150 Hitler also sabotaged health care.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 15, 2017 03:42 PM (MCtb9)
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Death Panels, literally.

Posted by: Undocumented at March 15, 2017 03:47 PM (SsblQ)

151 146 142 And now, Netherlands election news:

Dutch Cocoa is winning over Dutch Treat, but Dutch Oven is coming up quick from behind.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 03:46 PM (39g3+)

Dutch Masters still smoking the competition.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:46 PM (0mRoj)

Dutch Reagan FTW!!!!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 15, 2017 03:47 PM (wtvvX)

152 Massive turnout in the Dutch elections. I have to think that that can only help Wilders. Soros notwithstanding.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2017 03:37 PM (mbhDw)

I hope so - the thing that worries me is very high turnout in Amsterdam and the other big cities. (It's not like there's a lot of rural areas in the Netherlands. There's not a lot of areas, period.)

If the urbanites there are like the ones here and in London, they're voting against the horrible raccccists - never mind that the Muzzies are the ones rioting. The city people there, like most of the city people here, might be too blinded by PC to save themselves.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at March 15, 2017 03:47 PM (ZM2xo)

153
Still he thinks the liberals will mindlessly sink the country further and could win. It's going to be close
Posted by: Marcus T


It's going to be an early night...

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 15, 2017 03:47 PM (IqV8l)

154 I'm betting that the scare tactics against Wilders might win in The Netherlands and and that his party won't win enough seats to change things.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 03:48 PM (fDdVG)

155
"That fat f*ck David Cay Johnston who was on with Maddow last night, said Melania "did do very sleazy porn."



Did he really? Maybe why he was picked to be the catspaw to get the 1040 in the mail. Knew he'd use it.



(My working theory has been that Trump leaked it)

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 03:45 PM (SIY7D)


Link is at Newsbusters. Madcow actually tried to shush him, while Larry O'Donnell was all, "whatever."

And I really, really hope Trump leaked his returns. Trolling Master Scalp Weasel.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 15, 2017 03:48 PM (PY9jH)

156 "Rapper Ice-T said that he thinks Snoop Dogg shooting a clown dressed up..."

The same asshole Ice-T who wrote the rap promoting murdering cops.

May he die in a fire that fuckhead.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 15, 2017 03:48 PM (6hoR5)

157 Hitler also sabotaged health care.
Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 15, 2017 03:42 PM (MCtb9)



"If you like your doctor, you can keep Dr. Mengele."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 15, 2017 03:48 PM (8ZskC)

158 That fat f*ck David Cay Johnston who was on with Maddow last night, said Melania "did do very sleazy porn."

How does he know? Was he watching it?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 03:45 PM (fDdVG)



It is an absolute article of faith to many on the Left and most NeverTrumpers that Melania Trump is an actual prostitute. The porn stuff is new though.


I got called a SJW on twitter for having the temerity to note that saying that a woman who marries a man with more money then her is a per se a whore is vile and sexist and also was boring starting in about 550 B.C. Because only a SJW would object to such a thing, you see.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 15, 2017 03:48 PM (mf5HN)

159 142 And now, Netherlands election news:

Dutch Cocoa is winning over Dutch Treat, but Dutch Oven is coming up quick from behind.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 03:46 PM (39g3+)


Too much coverage on Dutch Oven.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2017 03:48 PM (mbhDw)

160 >>>71

I do apologize. I didn't know one had to check whether "FenelonSpoke" knew something before attempting to inform the rest of the world, of whose existence "FenelonSpoke" is not aware.

Posted by: S at March 15, 2017 03:48 PM (YtzJ5)

161
Dutch Cocoa is winning over Dutch Treat, but Dutch Oven is coming up quick from behind.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 03:46 PM (39g3+)

Dutch Masters still smoking the competition.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 03:46 PM (0mRoj)

Dutch Reagan FTW!!!!


Dutch Rubs for everybody!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 03:48 PM (oVJmc)

162 Hmmm,this Melania porn,anyone got a link?

Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2017 03:48 PM (r/0kC)

163 >>It doesn't work that way. Even though obamacare was written and passed and signed into law by obama without a single Republican vote, it will be the Republicans fault when it fails because Trump. That's just how things work with the left.

Exactly. Thinking the left or the media will not blame Republicans if this thing augers in is wishful thinking.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 03:49 PM (/tuJf)

164 Dutch Schulz is gonna rub everyone out.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 03:49 PM (39g3+)

165 Dutch Cocoa is winning over Dutch Treat, but Dutch Oven is coming up quick from behind.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
-

Little Dutch Boy is bringing up the rear.

Posted by: Harry Reid at March 15, 2017 03:49 PM (ZO497)

166 Posted by: S at March 15, 2017 03:48 PM (YtzJ5)

Oh, stop the nonsense. It's not like we haven't had people trying to demoralize us before.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 03:49 PM (fDdVG)

167 Apparently the ice you get at Sonic is now available at home from some company called Opal.

Thinking about buying one as a gift.

Oh and, um, yeah Obamacare is already dying. Let it die.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 15, 2017 03:49 PM (SeIbs)

168 "did do very sleazy porn."



How does he know? Was he watching it?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 03:45 PM (fDdVG)

I'll be the judge of whether it was sleazy or not.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 15, 2017 03:50 PM (8iiMU)

169
A straight repeal of Obamacare - all 2,000 pages of the law and the additional multiple thousands of addenda - would just reinstate the status quo as of 2010.

It would create a demand and you already have suppliers.

So what exactly is the fucking problem with even that?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2017 03:50 PM (mbhDw)

170 154 I'm betting that the scare tactics against Wilders might win in The Netherlands and and that his party won't win enough seats to change things.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 03:48 PM (fDdVG)

================

Scare tactics seem to be not working all that well over the last 12 months.

'Member how the UK was going to get thrown into permanent depression with Brexit?

I 'member.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 03:50 PM (GrpW6)

171 The war intensifies.


Posted by: S

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Get lost , troll.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 03:51 PM (Q5kE6)

172 Dutch oven always comes up quick from behind.

Posted by: eleven at March 15, 2017 03:51 PM (qUNWi)

173 A straight repeal of Obamacare - all 2,000 pages of the law and the additional multiple thousands of addenda - would just reinstate the status quo as of 2010.

It would create a demand and you already have suppliers.

So what exactly is the fucking problem with even that?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2017 03:50 PM (mbhDw)


Too Jewish.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at March 15, 2017 03:51 PM (8ZskC)

174 >>>82

Wow. When did this become a safe space from the news of the world? I didn't see Assange's tweets mentioned anywhere on the site, and they're at least mildly important news.

Posted by: S at March 15, 2017 03:51 PM (YtzJ5)

175 Get lost , troll.

We have a troll? been while...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 15, 2017 03:52 PM (O2RFr)

176
Now to feed the kittehs.

BBS.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2017 03:52 PM (mbhDw)

177 169
A straight repeal of Obamacare - all 2,000 pages of the law and the additional multiple thousands of addenda - would just reinstate the status quo as of 2010.

It would create a demand and you already have suppliers.

So what exactly is the fucking problem with even that?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2017 03:50 PM (mbhDw)

=================

The risk pools and products don't exist anymore.

It'll take time to get those back.

That's really the only thing I can come up with.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 03:52 PM (GrpW6)

178 "So what exactly is the fucking problem with even that?"

It's hard to go back on people with existing conditions.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 03:52 PM (SIY7D)

179 How's Double Dutch doing?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at March 15, 2017 03:52 PM (ZM2xo)

180 169


A straight repeal of Obamacare - all 2,000 pages of the law and the
additional multiple thousands of addenda - would just reinstate the
status quo as of 2010.



It would create a demand and you already have suppliers.



So what exactly is the fucking problem with even that?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2017 03:50 PM (mbhDw)

Spineless GOPers unable to withstand the withering criticism from the left? Thus, DOA.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 15, 2017 03:52 PM (GX63o)

181 174 >>>82

Wow. When did this become a safe space from the news of the world? I didn't see Assange's tweets mentioned anywhere on the site, and they're at least mildly important news.
Posted by: S at March 15, 2017 03:51 PM (YtzJ5)

=================

It's most likely bullshit.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 03:52 PM (GrpW6)

182 I see we've downgraded from Single Name Trolls to Single Initial Trolls.

Soros must be paying below minimum wage.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 15, 2017 03:52 PM (PY9jH)

183 >>So what exactly is the fucking problem with even that?

Well aside from the Medicaid expansion issue, how would you do that with 52 votes in the Senate?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 03:52 PM (/tuJf)

184 OT on Global Warming being deemed bullshit by Trump, the JEF had all agencies incorporate it into their budgets so there is no line item. I say, no problem. You all spent 30% of your time using it for whatever, then there's a 30% cut for each.

I hope PT Co. get pissed with Barky's games and come down hard and often wherever they can on him and his stooges.

Posted by: oddnot enjoying #winning still with schadenboner to prove it at March 15, 2017 03:52 PM (g1MTt)

185 Seriously, Ive had enough. They are coming for my tendies. Nothing is sacred to these psychopaths! Wars have been fought and won over much less.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 15, 2017 03:53 PM (2qHjF)

186 Wow. When did this become a safe space from the news of the world? I didn't see Assange's tweets mentioned anywhere on the site, and they're at least mildly important news.
Posted by: S
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Great, we're down from single first names to single letters.

Posted by: Thomas Pynchon at March 15, 2017 03:53 PM (ZO497)

187 183 >>So what exactly is the fucking problem with even that?

Well aside from the Medicaid expansion issue, how would you do that with 52 votes in the Senate?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 03:52 PM (/tuJf)

==================

"Destroy all precedent and the filibuster now!"
-People trying to convince Mitch freaking McConnell

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 03:53 PM (GrpW6)

188 6 It would help if Susan Collins would find another line of work: crash test dummy comes to mind.
Posted by: pep at March 15, 2017 03:10 PM (LAe3v)

It's a crash dummy not a crash idiot.

Posted by: Killerdog at March 15, 2017 03:53 PM (AReXo)

189 >>>171

How is one trolling by passing on significant news? When did morons get so sensitive, for fuck's sake?

Posted by: S at March 15, 2017 03:53 PM (YtzJ5)

190 You know what ace really loves? Being told what to discuss on his site.

He loves that.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 15, 2017 03:53 PM (mf5HN)

191 S'up wingnuts?

Posted by: J at March 15, 2017 03:54 PM (qUNWi)

192 Ik stem voor Winona en pannenkoeken!!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 15, 2017 03:54 PM (3S7EQ)

193 posted by S

===

Hillary is "pushing" for "a takeover". Where ? At the annual Bilderberger Star Chamber ? And who is she "pushing" exactly? The British Space Lizard Monarchy?

Quote your sources , S hole.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 03:54 PM (Q5kE6)

194 S is right!

Posted by: B at March 15, 2017 03:54 PM (8ZskC)

195 Dutch Rubs for everybody!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 03:48 PM (oVJmc)
.............

Hey, watch the ear.

Posted by: Vincent van Gogh at March 15, 2017 03:54 PM (HgMAr)

196 I mentioned earlier what Schumer said, saw it on Fox but here's a quote from The Hill

"Until you take repeal off the table, we ca'nt support this, because it does so much damage"

as I recall, he said the Dems would be willing to 'negotiate' but only if, in effect, the Repubs first surrender. I recall Barky some weeks ago saying it just needed some 'tweaks' like more subsidies and a public option.

I like to think that Trump understands the difference between negotiating with others and negotiating with yourself before the other guy agrees to talk to you. Ryan and McConnell I'm not so sure about. Or maybe I am sure.

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at March 15, 2017 03:54 PM (b7fwp)

197 When did morons get so sensitive, for fuck's sake?

Last Thursday. There was a memo.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 03:54 PM (oVJmc)

198 Posted by: Thomas Pynchon at March 15, 2017 03:53 PM (ZO497)

They were so exhausted from bravely trying to inform the world that they can only manage a first letter.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 03:54 PM (fDdVG)

199 So people are now complaining about the length of usernames on a site that revels in sockpuppetry? There are some real sore winners here.

Posted by: S at March 15, 2017 03:55 PM (YtzJ5)

200 I'm just not sure Obamacare blowing up even further is going to necessarily pave the way to it being fixed.

I mean the people that get the free shit don't care if it blows up, their health care is not endangered. So Democrats have little incentive.

It's people that actually pay the bills that are getting screwed.

Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2017 03:55 PM (1WzUn)

201
I see we've downgraded from Single Name Trolls to Single Initial Trolls.

At least there will only be 26 of them.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 15, 2017 03:55 PM (IqV8l)

202
You know what ace really loves? Being told what to discuss on his site.



He loves that.



Yeah, I suggest you email your complaints to him. He appreciates constructive criticism.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 15, 2017 03:55 PM (PY9jH)

203 If the product is something I can buy the day after a major calamity, then it isn't insurance.

Posted by: navybrat at March 15, 2017 03:55 PM (w7KSn)

204 OT on Global Warming being deemed bullshit by Trump, the JEF had all agencies incorporate it into their budgets so there is no line item. I say, no problem. You all spent 30% of your time using it for whatever, then there's a 30% cut for each.
-------

Temperature has soared from overnight mid-teens, to 29 deg. in w. NC.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2017 03:55 PM (ZO497)

205 Quote your sources , S hole.


Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 03:54 PM (Q5kE6)

It's been on TGP sourced to Assange. Doesn't mean it's reliable.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 15, 2017 03:55 PM (GX63o)

206 Everybody listen to S!

Posted by: Q at March 15, 2017 03:55 PM (ZM2xo)

207 Ik stem voor Winona en pannenkoeken!!!


You have a stem for Winona's pancakes?

Posted by: eleven at March 15, 2017 03:56 PM (qUNWi)

208 If the product is something I can buy the day after a major calamity, then it isn't insurance.

Posted by: navybrat at March 15, 2017 03:55 PM (w7KSn)
----------------------
It's a GREAT DEAL

Posted by: Donald Trumpus at March 15, 2017 03:56 PM (SsblQ)

209 >Quote your sources , S hole.

As stated in the first post, Assange's Twitter, fuckstick.

Posted by: S at March 15, 2017 03:56 PM (YtzJ5)

210 It's been on TGP sourced to Assange. Doesn't mean it's reliable.

Is that the "replace Trump with Pence thing?"

Posted by: It's me donna at March 15, 2017 03:56 PM (O2RFr)

211 I think it's very important that everyone be concerned about the very important things about which I am concerned.

Because they are concerning.

Posted by: . at March 15, 2017 03:56 PM (mf5HN)

212 Gimme an S! Gimme an O! Gimme a B!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 15, 2017 03:56 PM (PY9jH)

213 >>"Destroy all precedent and the filibuster now!"

It might come to that if this method doesn't work.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 03:56 PM (/tuJf)

214 Great, we're down from single first names to single letters.
Posted by: Thomas Pynchon
--------

If it weren't for me, you'd be nothing.

Posted by: V at March 15, 2017 03:56 PM (ZO497)

215 Yeah,Assange also said Trump would never take office.

Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2017 03:57 PM (r/0kC)

216 How is Dutch Rub doing in the polls?

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 15, 2017 03:57 PM (vg8iE)

217 "Destroy all precedent and the filibuster now!"
-People trying to convince Mitch freaking McConnell

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 03:53 PM (GrpW6)


The Congressional Health Plan doesn't cover spine or ball transplants!

Posted by: N. Tesla at March 15, 2017 03:57 PM (gwPgz)

218 210
It's been on TGP sourced to Assange. Doesn't mean it's reliable.



Is that the "replace Trump with Pence thing?"

Posted by: It's me donna at March 15, 2017 03:56 PM (O2RFr)

Yes.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 15, 2017 03:57 PM (GX63o)

219 Posted by: S at March 15, 2017 03:53 PM (YtzJ5)

I really want to hear your significantly significant news of great importance, S.

We love to validate each other here at the HQ. We're here for you. And each other. Always.

Please, please go on.

We love you.

Posted by: kallisto at March 15, 2017 03:57 PM (nNdYv)

220 Yeah,Assange also said Trump would never take office.

They tried, Lord knows they tried...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 15, 2017 03:57 PM (O2RFr)

221 I think I know who "S" is. That you, Shep Smith?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 15, 2017 03:57 PM (PY9jH)

222 So triggered.

Posted by: S at March 15, 2017 03:58 PM (YtzJ5)

223 If it weren't for me, you'd be nothing.

Posted by: V at March 15, 2017 03:56 PM (ZO497)



Admit it. I'm ten times the letter you are

Posted by: C at March 15, 2017 03:58 PM (8ZskC)

224 213 >>"Destroy all precedent and the filibuster now!"

It might come to that if this method doesn't work.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 03:56 PM (/tuJf)

==================

I don't disagree, but the idea that McConnell is going to jump at that out of the gate is weird.

It's like they haven't been paying attention to the hate they've been spewing in his direction for the last decade.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 03:58 PM (GrpW6)

225
I know things.

THINGS.

Posted by: X at March 15, 2017 03:58 PM (Q5kE6)

226 I gotta go!

Posted by: P at March 15, 2017 03:58 PM (qUNWi)

227 re 193: maybe referring to Assange's claim about pushing Trump out and getting Pence in

link to Washington Examiner

ttp://tinyurl.com/jm3vmjr

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at March 15, 2017 03:58 PM (b7fwp)

228 I think I know who "S" is. That you, Shep Smith?

Get the fainting couch stat...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 15, 2017 03:58 PM (O2RFr)

229 Look, if Hillary is really plotting like a White Russian to stage a coup from abroad (to mix Soviet metaphors) I'd expect her to get the full Trotsky. Not hard to do.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 03:58 PM (SIY7D)

230 Sockpuppetry is an art from. For example:

Transgender Fonzie

Jefe El Donaldo

etc.

Posted by: flipperdipper at March 15, 2017 03:58 PM (HgMAr)

231 Speaking of sabotage, Julian Assange has warned on Twitter of the following:
S
----------------------------------------------
Quote your sources , S hole.

------------------------------------------------

OKaaaaay

Posted by: Z at March 15, 2017 03:58 PM (SsblQ)

232 Funny, you call the troll a troll, he reacts like a troll.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 03:58 PM (oVJmc)

233 222 So triggered.


Posted by: S at March 15, 2017 03:58 PM (YtzJ5)

So stupid.

Posted by: Q at March 15, 2017 03:58 PM (ZM2xo)

234 I know things.

THINGS.
Posted by: X

You also mark the spot...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 15, 2017 03:59 PM (O2RFr)

235 Dy-No-Mite!!!

Posted by: JJ at March 15, 2017 03:59 PM (qUNWi)

236 223 If it weren't for me, you'd be nothing.

Posted by: V at March 15, 2017 03:56 PM (ZO497)


Admit it. I'm ten times the letter you are
Posted by: C at March 15, 2017 03:58 PM (8ZskC)

================

20

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 03:59 PM (GrpW6)

237 They've been blaming obamacare failure on republicans since 2010.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 15, 2017 03:59 PM (+kbtl)

238 10 reasons why Obama Care failing is all because of republicans and Trump.

Posted by: VOX Splainer at March 15, 2017 03:59 PM (cOHS7)

239 If it weren't for me, you'd be nothing.

Posted by: V at March 15, 2017 03:56 PM (ZO497)


Be very careful there, James!

Posted by: M at March 15, 2017 03:59 PM (gwPgz)

240 Get in line bitches!

Posted by: A at March 15, 2017 03:59 PM (AReXo)

241 Ik stem voor Winona en pannenkoeken!!!

Winona Ryder doesn't want your stem pancakes you pervert

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 03:59 PM (39g3+)

242 >>I mean the people that get the free shit don't care if it blows up, their health care is not endangered. So Democrats have little incentive.

But they do. The dirty little secret of Obamacare is that a huge percentage of the new enrollees are actually enrolled in Medicaid plus. And they aren't all Democrats in Democrat states.

If you completely repeal Obamacare, you completely repeal Medicaid expansion and toss millions off "insurance".

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 03:59 PM (/tuJf)

243 How can you justify Single Payor without a villainous scapegoat? We didn't want to but . . .are you going to watch wymyns and chil'ren die in the streets you heartless bastards?

Posted by: Very Irredeemably Undude at March 15, 2017 04:00 PM (DMWVF)

244 >>I think I know who "S" is. That you, Shep Smith?


Have you had your, "OMG, I'm going to kill Shep!" moment yet today?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 04:00 PM (NOIQH)

245 222 So triggered.
Posted by: S at March 15, 2017 03:58 PM (YtzJ5)


Yes, we feel your pain. They're awful aren't they? So insensitive. I just, I just...can't...

Please, don't let them stop you in your mission to significate us with knowledge and important significance.

Posted by: kallisto at March 15, 2017 04:00 PM (nNdYv)

246 As stated in the first post, Assange's Twitter, fuckstick.
Posted by: S
--

Hey! That's Mister Fuckstick to you pal.

We stand on traditional formality around here. Oh, BTW, you might want to check The Handbook regarding personal insults.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2017 04:00 PM (ZO497)

247 How is one trolling by passing on significant news? When did morons get so sensitive, for fuck's sake?


Posted by: S at March 15, 2017 03:53 PM (YtzJ5)


That was significant news? You have a rumor of people in the IC planning a coup to remove a president and install the VP. You're going to need a bit more proof than that.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 15, 2017 04:00 PM (hLRSq)

248 People here are more hostile than /r/politics maenads.

Posted by: S at March 15, 2017 04:00 PM (YtzJ5)

249 168 "did do very sleazy porn."



How does he know? Was he watching it?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 03:45 PM (fDdVG)

I'll be the judge of whether it was sleazy or not.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 15, 2017 03:50 PM (8iiMU)

We will need to conduct thorough analysis.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 04:00 PM (0mRoj)

250 Speaking of pannenkoeken, if anyone likes pancakes, apples, brown sugar and all kinds of loveliness, there's a recipe on the Food Network website for you! It was on Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives. Search for pannenkoeken.

It's very yummy!

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 15, 2017 04:00 PM (vg8iE)

251 That whole "death spiral" thing is just a bunch of right-wing talking points, doncha know!

But they want to have it both ways... rising premiums only affect a tiny slice of Americans.. OK.. so why is it such a catastrophe to replace Obamacare with something else???

I do wish the tax credits they had put into RyanCare would have favored the lower income rather than older people, though.. there's gotta be some happy medium..

and yes, I know y'all's happy medium is no help for the poor at all.. you heartless bastards.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 15, 2017 04:00 PM (so+oy)

252 Our Republic doesn't have time to mess around with the filibuster. A 60 vote majority is like a once in a hundred year type phenomenon.

Does anyone have a single doubt the filibuster will be gone as soon as Democrats take control of the Senate?

It never should have been there in the first place, and when have Republicans ever used it effectively?

Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2017 04:00 PM (1WzUn)

253 As of one minute ago, Dutch-language site:

"According to the exit poll by Ipsos agency, commissioned by NOS and RTL, the VVD is by far the largest party, with 31 seats. The PVV, CDA and D66 have it all 19 in this exit poll.

GroenLinks wins significantly and bring to 16 seats. The SP is at 14. The Labour Party recorded a historic loss and goes according to Ipsos 9 seats in parliament."

Now all I need to do is decipher the party acronyms.

Posted by: zombie at March 15, 2017 04:00 PM (DQ4Fv)

254 It's a World War , baby!

Posted by: Z at March 15, 2017 04:00 PM (Q5kE6)

255 Let's see, off topic under 100, conspiracy theories, passive-aggressive defensiveness, low-grade snark.

Nah, I couldn't see how anyone could call that trolling.

*Far and away* the best response on both fronts would be to Pass On By, but this is The Internet, and it would be An Affront To Sacred Honor to not have the discussion veer off into the weeds.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 15, 2017 04:01 PM (wB8Tg)

256 242 But they do. The dirty little secret of Obamacare is that a huge percentage of the new enrollees are actually enrolled in Medicaid plus. And they aren't all Democrats in Democrat states.

If you completely repeal Obamacare, you completely repeal Medicaid expansion and toss millions off "insurance".

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 03:59 PM (/tuJf)

================

I'm right in understanding that the Medicaid expansion is scheduled to be 100% state funded in the near future, right?

Combine that with the fact that it's optional at the state level, and I say: Keep it.

It's only going to hurt those states that took it.

I'm actually pretty good with that on a federalism level.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 04:01 PM (GrpW6)

257 ". . . but Dutch Oven is coming up quick from behind."

______________________

Ohhh, myyyy!

Posted by: George Takei at March 15, 2017 04:01 PM (4AVeu)

258 It sounds like steam escaping.

Posted by: Buddy Bizarre at March 15, 2017 04:01 PM (8ZskC)

259 The GOP has had 7 fucking years to develop an Obamacare replacement and roll out strategy.

Their effort as it stands boarders on intentional sabotage to jeopordize their current majorities and inflict harm on their Presidential candidate or alternatively they could be an illigitimate political party composed of free agents, "mavericks" and assorted fucktards.

In either case Paul Ryan has got to go followed by that no neck prick face McConnel.

Posted by: Kreplach at March 15, 2017 04:01 PM (3Xxpy)

260 PVV = Wilders

Tied for 2nd. Not bad.

Posted by: zombie at March 15, 2017 04:01 PM (DQ4Fv)

261 Ik stem voor Winona en pannenkoeken!!!


You have a stem for Winona's pancakes?

Posted by: eleven at March 15, 2017 03:56 PM (qUNWi)
...........

I stick poor Winona in pancakes?

Posted by: wth at March 15, 2017 04:01 PM (HgMAr)

262 First, separate the entirely separate and unrelated issue of Medicaid expansion. It has literally nothing to do with the destruction of the already-mangled/strangled health insurance "markets", nor with repairing some of the recent damage.


Second, you have the f***ing govt., incl. HHS, Trump admin. - so F***ING GET THE ACTUAL NUMBERS OUT THERE. Specifically, the number of "beneficiaries" of O-care - which is *the number of people now with some non-Medicaid insurance who were, prior to 2014, INVOLUNTARILY FINANCIALLY uninsured* - and only that.


Then juxtapose that with the estimates of previously (happily, easily) insured people (mostly in the individual and small biz markets) who, since 2014, are now uninsured, or financially devastated by the premium/deductible spikes (in CA, for example, individual plans increased in price 300%, overnight, on Jan. '14, and are now up about 400% over the 2013 rates). The ratio of victims/beneficiaries is, at minimum, 5 to 1, probably more like 7 to 1 (get those f***king numbers out there, Price, and hammer then every single time you open your mouth about the topic).


Third, engage, for F***ING ONCE, in f***ing POLITICS. O-care was a political disaster for the Dems, from the outset, for a reason. It is now a *worse* political disaster for them, as it spirals down. HANG IT AROUND THEIR F***ING NECKS, 24/7.


In practical terms, there was always an obvious strategy.

* repeal everything you can via reconciliation, respecting the normal germaneness rules of the Budget Act process

* this leaves much of the damage unfixed (esp. the regs that have destroyed the individual/small biz market), so .... identify the remaining critical, urgent changes (repeals) needed, and immediately pass a bill with those through the House.


* then you put the ENTIRE political weight of not fixing the ongoing disaster on 10 or so Senate Dems up for re-election (from Trump states). Sweat the bejeesus out of them, start the campaign TODAY, massive relentless media campaign in their states stating the truth: they can vote to relieve the suffering of millions, or not.


For the politically illiterate (and there are some here, and it's surprising given their obvious smarts), the "damage" from a comparative handful of "beneficiaries" losing their "coverage" would obviously nothing compared to the gainzzz from relieving up to tens of millions from a life-changing blow to their finances.


And ..... if you want to cushion even that manageable damage, fine, write a f***ing check for whatever to buy those "beneficiaries" two years of crappy O-care type coverage, while markets are restored (to even better condition than pre-O-care), when costs should help many of them participate normally.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 15, 2017 04:01 PM (QDnY+)

263 You know what the real Obamacare death spiral is?

The mortality rate is over 7% higher since the passage of the ACA after years of going down. That equates to 700,000 additional deaths!

Obamacare is an actual killer.

Posted by: MAGA at March 15, 2017 04:01 PM (A4HOq)

264 I'm trans

Posted by: Y at March 15, 2017 04:01 PM (SsblQ)

265 S, I'm after you!

Posted by: T at March 15, 2017 04:02 PM (ZM2xo)

266 lemme explain:
warm in February: made made Global Warming
blizzard in March: man made Climate Change

it's kind of like blaming the Jews for anything and its opposite. Authoritarians tend to think alike.

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at March 15, 2017 04:02 PM (b7fwp)

267 If Geert wins get ready for the floodgates to open.

Posted by: Erdogan at March 15, 2017 04:02 PM (OwdyX)

268 >>It's a World War , baby!



Posted by: Z




Um....why?

Posted by: Y at March 15, 2017 04:02 PM (NOIQH)

269 It's been on TGP sourced to Assange

===

Wikileaks last dump was pretty meh and just straight up theft and treason as opposed to 'revolutionary' or whatever.

Julian is desperate to remain relevant.


Posted by: Z at March 15, 2017 04:02 PM (Q5kE6)

270 [!]Because they are concerning.

Posted by: . at March 15, 2017 03:56 PM (mf5HN)

Yes, I too am very very concerned!

Posted by: ! at March 15, 2017 04:02 PM (gwPgz)

271 2013, Obama-era Republicans:

"Calendar No. 78 113TH CONGRESS 1ST SESSION H. R. 45

Effective as of the enactment of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Public Law 111-14), such Act is repealed, and the provisions of law amended or repealed by such Act are restored or revived as if such Act had not been enacted. "

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 15, 2017 04:02 PM (/f1mm)

272 >>I don't disagree, but the idea that McConnell is going to jump at that out of the gate is weird.

Particularly when McConnell has said over and over that he does not favor changing the Senate rules, the same rules that have limited much of what can be done in reconciliation.

Blowing up the filibuster is great when you are in the majority. Not so much when you are in the minority which we will be again someday.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 04:02 PM (/tuJf)

273 Have you had your, "OMG, I'm going to kill Shep!" moment yet today?


Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 04:00 PM (NOIQH)


I managed to avoid Shep, even on Sirius. Out running errands preparing for a funeral reception tomorrow. Yay, me.


And GUESS WHAT I FORGOT??? Today is our 31st wedding anniversary!

It's a crying shame when life gets too busy to remember something like that. Last year this time we were in Africa. Will have a hard time every topping that experience.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 15, 2017 04:02 PM (PY9jH)

274 S is so smart. And I'm sure his sources are somewhat real (maybe, kind of). And his nic is so creative. And he's so brave too, speaking truth to power.

Posted by: Soona at March 15, 2017 04:03 PM (p+N+Y)

275 If Geert wins get ready for the floodgates to open.
Posted by: Erdogan at March 15, 2017 04:02 PM (OwdyX)



My finger is ready!

Posted by: The Little Dutch Boy at March 15, 2017 04:03 PM (8ZskC)

276 We're not hostile.

We're nice gotdammit!

Posted by: JJ at March 15, 2017 04:03 PM (qUNWi)

277 /sock off

Posted by: R at March 15, 2017 04:03 PM (Q5kE6)

278 Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your vowels.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at March 15, 2017 04:03 PM (7N6ox)

279 I was a zombie.
Then I got better.
But I didn't get a better name...

Posted by: R at March 15, 2017 04:03 PM (NOIQH)

280 I do put most of ObamaCare repeal blame squarely on Trump, like 24 hours after winning he came out to all the talk shows and stated his laundry list of things he wanted to keep, likely prepared by Ivanka, that basically meant it was destined to be ObamaCare lite.

Had he just moved straight to repeal, I think it would had the momentum to have been quickly killed off.

Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2017 04:03 PM (1WzUn)

281 Link to mortality chart in my nic

Posted by: MAGA at March 15, 2017 04:03 PM (A4HOq)

282 I know S and S is a very reliable source. Why else would he name itself S?

Posted by: Brian Williams at March 15, 2017 04:03 PM (cOHS7)

283 /other sock off

Posted by: U at March 15, 2017 04:03 PM (Q5kE6)

284 Ms Lindsey is cool with RyanCare IF fur oil is a covered item......

Posted by: 'Cold Civil War'. That seems apt. at March 15, 2017 04:03 PM (KG6ys)

285 "If Geert wins get ready for the floodgates to open."

ISWYDT

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 15, 2017 04:03 PM (hLRSq)

286 >>>Speaking of pannenkoeken, if anyone likes pancakes, apples, brown sugar and all kinds of loveliness, there's a recipe on the Food Network website for you! It was on Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives. Search for pannenkoeken.

:::writes check for $100 to Texas:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 15, 2017 04:03 PM (3S7EQ)

287 Wow, the "Animal Party" (apparently a single-issue oarty devoted to animal rights) shockingly has won five seats in the Dutch parliament, according to exit poll.

Posted by: zombie at March 15, 2017 04:03 PM (DQ4Fv)

288 "the "damage" from a comparative handful of "beneficiaries" losing their "coverage" would obviously nothing compared to the gainzzz from relieving up to tens of millions from a life-changing blow to their finances."

There's also a big hidden cost to Ocare as its depressed hiring.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 04:04 PM (SIY7D)

289 /sock off and barefoot - phew!

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 04:04 PM (Q5kE6)

290 >>>>69 livestream link

right now they're replaying the MI speech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i19Aim7_Xts
Posted by: kallisto at March 15, 2017 03:28 PM

before we were so rudely interrupted (;}

Kallisto, did you, or are you, watching PT's speech in Detroit? Isn't it AWESome?

Posted by: booknlass at March 15, 2017 04:04 PM (8mO0Q)

291 252 Our Republic doesn't have time to mess around with the filibuster. A 60 vote majority is like a once in a hundred year type phenomenon.

Does anyone have a single doubt the filibuster will be gone as soon as Democrats take control of the Senate?

It never should have been there in the first place, and when have Republicans ever used it effectively?
Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2017 04:00 PM (1WzUn)

==================

I honestly agree. Ideally, the filibuster really shouldn't exist.

But here's the thing: the Senate largely loves it because it makes them feel important. And Mitch McConnell loves the "august nature" of the Senate, and that includes all the little rules that they've been writing and rewriting for themselves over the last 200+ years.

Politics is the art of the possible, and part of that is that the reality of the situation is that a lot of people in the Senate like the filibuster for a variety of reasons.

Screaming about uprooting that rule is about as useful as screaming about the Chevron defense. You have to work on attitudes and personnel in order to change that.

If there's anyone to blame, it's the people of Kentucky for sending McConnell back to the Senate.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 04:04 PM (GrpW6)

292 >>And GUESS WHAT I FORGOT??? Today is our 31st wedding anniversary!


Congratulations, Jane! Don't forget to celebrate!!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 04:04 PM (NOIQH)

293 You know you want it.

Posted by: D at March 15, 2017 04:04 PM (2qHjF)

294 253 As of one minute ago, Dutch-language site:

"According to the exit poll by Ipsos agency, commissioned by NOS and RTL, the VVD is by far the largest party, with 31 seats. The PVV, CDA and D66 have it all 19 in this exit poll.

GroenLinks wins significantly and bring to 16 seats. The SP is at 14. The Labour Party recorded a historic loss and goes according to Ipsos 9 seats in parliament."

Now all I need to do is decipher the party acronyms.
Posted by: zombie at March 15, 2017 04:00 PM (DQ4Fv)

===============

PVV is Wilders' party.

Please, oh please....

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 04:04 PM (GrpW6)

295 I'm transitioning to a 'P'.

Posted by: R at March 15, 2017 04:05 PM (oVJmc)

296 Admit it. I'm ten times the letter you are

Posted by: C at March 15, 2017 03:58 PM (8ZskC)

You are twenty times the letter of V.
But I am ten times the letter you are, C!

Posted by: M at March 15, 2017 04:05 PM (8iiMU)

297 on the other hand, would it surprise you that the Dems are still trying to defeat Trump? All they need is an accountant to insist that Trump should have paid 39 million in taxes instead of 38 and someone like Maxine Waters will jump at the chance to call for impeachment.

ok, just my suPreme opinion.

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at March 15, 2017 04:05 PM (b7fwp)

298 294 PVV is Wilders' party.

Please, oh please....
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 04:04 PM (GrpW6)

=============

Nope, wrong...PVV is Rutte's party.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 04:05 PM (GrpW6)

299 I *did* get to listen to the last half of Trump's speech, which in my humble opinion was awesome.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 15, 2017 04:05 PM (PY9jH)

300 Ladies love me

Posted by: D at March 15, 2017 04:05 PM (z/Ubi)

301 >And GUESS WHAT I FORGOT??? Today is our 31st wedding anniversary!

Congratulations. Got married at 10? :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 04:05 PM (fDdVG)

302 There's also a big hidden cost to Ocare as its depressed hiring.

Talk to a doc that owns a clinic or someone who runs a hospital about the costs and damage to health care professionals. Clinics shutting down, skyrocketing administrative costs and time, doctors leaving states, etc. Its a disaster.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 04:05 PM (39g3+)

303 Unless the exit polling is way off it is going to be Rutte

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 04:06 PM (2x9LM)

304 And GUESS WHAT I FORGOT??? Today is our 31st wedding anniversary!

A child bride, married at -2

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 04:06 PM (39g3+)

305 I'm enjoying watching us move back to discussing "millions," too.

Around 40 million were uninsured before Obamacare got the uninsured rate down to 12%! Yay!

12% of 310 million? Around 40 million.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 15, 2017 04:06 PM (/f1mm)

306
Now all I need to do is decipher the party acronyms.


I believe the PVV is Wilders party

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 15, 2017 04:06 PM (lKyWE)

307
Congratulations. Got married at 10? :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 04:05 PM (fDdVG)


Well, we live in the South, so.....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 15, 2017 04:06 PM (PY9jH)

308 >>I'm right in understanding that the Medicaid expansion is scheduled to be 100% state funded in the near future, right?

Not really. A big part of this includes limiting the federal dollars to the states under Medicaid and then block granting it to the states instead of it being a federally managed program.

There's so much noise to signal going on right now that I don't think anything is set in stone right now.

But one thing is clear, if we don't get some sort of healthcare reform done soon we aren't getting tax reform done this year.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 04:06 PM (/tuJf)

309 >>There's also a big hidden cost to Ocare as its depressed hiring.



My favorite is the Obamacare subsidies.

"Thanks to Obamacare and the subsidies, I get health insurance for nly $25/month!"

Then in April...

"WTH do you mean I have to pay taxes on the subsidies?!?"

Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 04:06 PM (NOIQH)

310 Assange has to maintain his 'air of neutrality' and 'extremely connectedness'.

Otherwise people will realize that he is just an albino internet-weenie holed up in an embassy.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 04:07 PM (Q5kE6)

311 Still not tired of winning! Don't ruin my winning buzz, man!

Posted by: Long name that doesn't say things we don't like. at March 15, 2017 04:07 PM (YtzJ5)

312 Blowing up the filibuster is great when you are in the majority. Not so much when you are in the minority which we will be again someday.
Posted by: JackStraw
________

I really can't think of a single good example for when Republicans effectively used the filibuster.

Even when Democrats lost their 60 vote majority, they still were still able to get ObamaCare passed.

The Democrats already removed much of it it whenever it got in their way, and no doubt will formally remove all of it next time in power.

Regardless, the Senate should be a Republican dominated institution as the Red States far outnumber the blue states, so I feel more comfortable with the gamble.

Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2017 04:07 PM (1WzUn)

313 Wow, the "Animal Party" (apparently a single-issue oarty devoted to animal rights) shockingly has won five seats in the Dutch parliament, according to exit poll.

Exit polls, heh

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 04:07 PM (39g3+)

314 zombie: "As of one minute ago, Dutch-language site:"

That's an awful lot of Austrian you quoted.

Please check the appropriate box for I am ignorant:

[ ] Winning
[ ] Not Winning
[ ] Dogs and Cats Living Together

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 15, 2017 04:07 PM (1CroS)

315 The real reason the GOPe will never get rid of the filibuster?

When they are in the minority they can vote to move the donk legislation to the floor in the filibuster but then vote against the donk legislation in the floor vote.

Win-WIN!!!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 15, 2017 04:07 PM (cOHS7)

316 https://www.partyfortheanimals.nl/

"The Party for the Animals (PvdD) is the first political party in the world that does not put the short-term interests of man in the pivotal position, but the entire planet and all her inhabitants instead. We are part of a global and growing movement that is committed to the interest of animals, nature and the environment."

Five seats in parliament.

Posted by: zombie at March 15, 2017 04:08 PM (DQ4Fv)

317 I got stuck behind a member of TFG's FSA the other day. Old car with the usual faded Obama/Biden stickers. And there was this one:

HANDS OFF MY OBAMACARE!

I really, really want reality to come down hard on some people.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 15, 2017 04:08 PM (PY9jH)

318 312 I really can't think of a single good example for when Republicans effectively used the filibuster.

Even when Democrats lost their 60 vote majority, they still were still able to get ObamaCare passed.

The Democrats already removed much of it it whenever it got in their way, and no doubt will formally remove all of it next time in power.

Regardless, the Senate should be a Republican dominated institution as the Red States far outnumber the blue states, so I feel more comfortable with the gamble.
Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2017 04:07 PM (1WzUn)

==================

It's a good thing you can't remember the things Democrats couldn't pass because they couldn't get 60 votes in the Senate.

Like Card Check
and Cap and Trade.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 04:08 PM (GrpW6)

319
Nope, wrong...PVV is Rutte's party.


I don't care who's party it is as long as there's girls.

Posted by: R at March 15, 2017 04:08 PM (oVJmc)

320 My finger is ready!

Posted by: The Little Dutch Boy at March 15, 2017 04:03 PM (8ZskC)
.............

Hey there, plugged any dykes lately?

Posted by: Transgender Fonzie at March 15, 2017 04:08 PM (HgMAr)

321 I like the filibuster, and I think most Americans do. its one of the very very few times that a politician really puts it on the line, personally risking things and working very hard at their job. It forces them to be up there personally acting, to no small personal expense, and in the camera's eye for a specific cause. Its kind of heroic when its a real filibuster.

What I don't like are procedural filibusters where one is just declared and then the thing its trying to stop is dropped. That's just BS. Make them take the floor and do it, or it doesn't work.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 04:08 PM (39g3+)

322 299 I *did* get to listen to the last half of Trump's speech, which in my humble opinion was awesome.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

I loved it. He's kicking butt....
I'm glad to wish you a happy anniversary, too!

Posted by: booknlass at March 15, 2017 04:09 PM (8mO0Q)

323 Miss me yet?

heh heh heh

Posted by: W at March 15, 2017 04:09 PM (Q5kE6)

324 "so I feel more comfortable with the gamble."

Me too. What would Harry Reid do!

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 04:09 PM (SIY7D)

325 ...iemand zal een pannenkoek in hun kont te vinden...

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 15, 2017 04:10 PM (3S7EQ)

326 Please check the appropriate box for I am ignorant:

[ ] Winning
[ ] Not Winning
[ ] Dogs and Cats Living Together
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel


Wilders doing pretty much as all the predictions said he would prior to yesterday;s gloomy polls. Seems like the gloomy polls may have been wrong.

The final vote will leave no overall majority party, so they must form a coalition. Problem is, all the parties hate each other, and all have vowed to freeze out Wilders.

Pretty much as expected.

Posted by: zombie at March 15, 2017 04:10 PM (DQ4Fv)

327 I was surprised to learn the other day that Pamela Anderson is a regular visitor to Assange. She finds him "sexy." There was a photo of her arriving at the Ecuadorean Embassy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 15, 2017 04:10 PM (PY9jH)

328 It forces them to be up there personally acting, to no small personal expense
------------------------------------------
Might miss dinner and a fundraiser.

Posted by: Y at March 15, 2017 04:10 PM (SsblQ)

329 Please check the appropriate box for I am ignorant:

[ ] Winning
[X ] Not Winning
[ ] Dogs and Cats Living Together

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 15, 2017 04:07 PM (1CroS)

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 04:10 PM (2x9LM)

330 Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 15, 2017 04:07 PM (cOHS7)

Never miss an opportunity to appear as if you fought the good fight, but don't have any responsibility or accountability for the actual outcome!

Posted by: GOP Senate Rulebook Section 178 (b) at March 15, 2017 04:10 PM (gwPgz)

331 I'm trying my best to shift the blame of abysmal failure to me.

Posted by: The Sallow Paul Ryan at March 15, 2017 04:10 PM (nN3W/)

332 I gotta go

Posted by: P at March 15, 2017 04:10 PM (HgMAr)

333 *ahem*

Posted by: TFG at March 15, 2017 04:10 PM (NOIQH)

334 I got stuck behind a member of TFG's FSA the other
day. Old car with the usual faded Obama/Biden stickers. And there was
this one:

HANDS OFF MY OBAMACARE!

I really, really want reality to come down hard on some people.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 15, 2017 04:08 PM (PY9jH)


Was there a lone 'S' on the fender or hood? 'Cause then you could exclaim as the vehicle went past, "Look at that S Car go!!"

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 15, 2017 04:10 PM (JO9+V)

335 I love an animal party

Posted by: Richard Gere at March 15, 2017 04:10 PM (39g3+)

336 Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 15, 2017 04:07 PM (cOHS7)

Dammit. Our secret is out.

>most R Senators.

Posted by: Thom Tillis at March 15, 2017 04:10 PM (48QDY)

337 Well, we live in the South, so.....

Posted by: Jane D'oh
------------
*types 'cousin' joke, then remembers that I'm from the South too*

*deletes*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2017 04:10 PM (ZO497)

338 "It should be noted that both the officials close to Pence and Hillary
Clinton spoke of moving towards an 'impeachment' not other action."


Hahaha, yeah, OK then.

Posted by: Max Power at March 15, 2017 04:10 PM (q177U)

339 hah!

Posted by: GOP Senate Rulebook Section 178 (b) at March 15, 2017 04:10 PM (gwPgz)

340
FBN - Exit polls show Rutte wins most seats in the parliamentary election

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2017 04:11 PM (493sH)

341 The disaster of Obamacare is the fault of the right? The media can scream that til the cows come home but it simply won't wash.

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at March 15, 2017 04:11 PM (TdMsT)

342
Nope, wrong...PVV is Rutte's party.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 04:05 PM (GrpW6)


Partij Voor de Vrijheid is Wilder's party

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 15, 2017 04:11 PM (lKyWE)

343 Ignoramus, absolutely, but obviously my "comments" are faaarrr too long, so I left out the non-measurable economic damage (opportunity costs) of the suppressive effect O-care has had on sole proprietorships and small biz.


The number (millions) affected by the destruction of the individual market (and it's millions, and by itself is a multiple of 3-5 times those who "gained" from O-care) can be estimated, as always opportunity costs are more like educated guesses.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 15, 2017 04:11 PM (QDnY+)

344 I wonder how long it's going to take the Big Brains in the DNC to figure out-

both TFG and Hillary! are useless to them now.

Neither will ever be President (again). And both are dead weight on the party.


If they want to stop losing, they need some new faces (Chuckie-Poo ain't it) and essentially have to have their new version of Bill Clinton, a "so-called moderate" who blathers about stuff people are really concerned with in real life.

And two, they need to blame both TFG and Hillary! for their problems, run them down, and then bring out Bill Clinton 2.0 as a guy "who's nothing like them at all" but "a new guy with new ideas" and "a third way to get things done".

But, they won't get anywhere as long as they keep tripling down on stupid.

Which is fine with me.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 15, 2017 04:11 PM (vZ9Fw)

345 I'm right in understanding that the Medicaid expansion is scheduled to be 100% state funded in the near future, right?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison
................
That is not correct.. it is state-administered and there is a share cost to the states.

and optional? No, I think just the expansion in O'Care was optional thanks to a ruling by the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 15, 2017 04:11 PM (so+oy)

346 >>>Blowing up the filibuster is great when you are in the majority. Not so
much when you are in the minority which we will be again someday.

Posted by: JackStraw

________



I really can't think of a single good example for when Republicans effectively used the filibuster.



Even when Democrats lost their 60 vote majority, they still were still able to get ObamaCare passed.



The Democrats already removed much of it it whenever it got in their
way, and no doubt will formally remove all of it next time in power.



Regardless, the Senate should be a Republican dominated institution
as the Red States far outnumber the blue states, so I feel more
comfortable with the gamble.
.
.
.The filibuster as we know it is gone. If McConnell won't do away with the rest of it you can be assured that the Dems will Nuke it when they gain control of the Senate back. And yes they will get control of the Senate back in the future because.....the pendulum will not be denied.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 15, 2017 04:12 PM (le7jz)

347 316 https://www.partyfortheanimals.nl/

"The Party for the Animals (PvdD) is the first political party in the world that does not put the short-term interests of man in the pivotal position, but the entire planet and all her inhabitants instead. We are part of a global and growing movement that is committed to the interest of animals, nature and the environment."

Five seats in parliament.
Posted by: zombie at March 15, 2017 04:08 PM (DQ4Fv)



Well to be fair, if their representatives were chimps, they would do a better job than most politicians. And significantly less feces would be thrown.

Posted by: buzzion at March 15, 2017 04:12 PM (z/Ubi)

348 Never miss an opportunity to appear as if you fought the good fight, but don't have any responsibility or accountability for the actual outcome!
Posted by: GOP Senate Rulebook Section 178
------------

This is about Thom & I, isn't it?

Posted by: Richard Burr (R-NC) at March 15, 2017 04:12 PM (ZO497)

349 Did S leave already? I had a nice fruit basket all ready for him/her.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 15, 2017 04:12 PM (PY9jH)

350 The final vote will leave no overall majority party, so they must form a coalition. Problem is, all the parties hate each other, and all have vowed to freeze out Wilders.

So in this case Hillary really *is* ahead by 15.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 15, 2017 04:12 PM (3J/LN)

351 298 294 PVV is Wilders' party.

Please, oh please....
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 04:04 PM (GrpW6)

=============

Nope, wrong...PVV is Rutte's party.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison


I thought VVD is Rutte (current mainstream leader) while PVV was Wilders.

Posted by: zombie at March 15, 2017 04:12 PM (DQ4Fv)

352 Neither will ever be President (again). And both are dead weight on the party.

................
Can Obama run again after being out of office for a term?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 15, 2017 04:12 PM (so+oy)

353 I'm trying my best to shift the blame of abysmal failure to me.

Posted by: The Sallow Paul Ryan at March 15, 2017 04:10 PM (nN3W/)


For once, I hope you succeed!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 15, 2017 04:13 PM (gwPgz)

354 Well, we live in the South, so.....



Posted by: Jane D'oh

------------

*types 'cousin' joke, then remembers that I'm from the South too*



*deletes*

Posted by: Mike Hammer,
======

Celebration time!

A Big Mac , a sixpack and a dead end dirt road...

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 04:13 PM (Q5kE6)

355 Posted by: booknlass at March 15, 2017 04:04 PM (8mO0Q)

I had to check in and out of it due to work. However what I saw was amazing and inspirational. He truly believes in this country's workers. He has immense respect for the American worker.

Yes, hearing him is awesome. That's why it's so silly to entertain these HRC fanfic takeover plots. Live in the real world, people.

Posted by: kallisto at March 15, 2017 04:13 PM (nNdYv)

Posted by: O at March 15, 2017 04:13 PM (NOIQH)

357 Wow. When did this become a safe space from the news of the world? I didn't see Assange's tweets mentioned anywhere on the site, and they're at least mildly important news.

Posted by: S at March 15, 2017 03:51 PM (YtzJ5)

You are a troll. And all trolls are Average Joe, who sucks cocks by choice.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 15, 2017 04:13 PM (WDdjT)

358 Lizzy- If you are still around, the Irish Soda Bread is the bomb. So yummy. Thank you!!!

Time for a food coma nap now. <3

Posted by: Infidel at March 15, 2017 04:13 PM (uKRys)

359 340
FBN - Exit polls show Rutte wins most seats in the parliamentary election
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2017 04:11 PM (493sH)


Atlanta Falcons kicking Patriot ass late in the third . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2017 04:13 PM (mbhDw)

360 These Ancestry DNA commercials are pretty funny.Never saw people so happy that they weren't icky whites after all.

Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2017 04:13 PM (r/0kC)

361 Can Obama run again after being out of office for a term?

2 terms max for president, but I don't think there's any restriction on being in other offices after being president is there?

Posted by: Richard Gere at March 15, 2017 04:14 PM (39g3+)

362 Did S leave already? I had a nice fruit basket all ready for him/her.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
----------

I think it may have been 'escorted' out.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2017 04:14 PM (ZO497)

363 It's a good thing you can't remember the things Democrats couldn't pass because they couldn't get 60 votes in the Senate.

Like Card Check
and Cap and Trade.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

________

So we're willing to never get any real conservative reforms accomplished in order to (hopefully) tie the hands of future Democrats in the Senate?

I would say Democrats got most everything they wanted in the Obama era, Republicans had almost zero victories even when they took Congress back.

Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2017 04:14 PM (1WzUn)

364 Assange's tweets = "news of the world"



*snort*

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 04:14 PM (Q5kE6)

365 off topic, drudge has this link to the daily beast:

Sen. John McCain on Wednesday directly accused fellow Republican Sen.
Rand Paul of working for Russian President Vladimir Putin. While
speaking from the Senate floor in support of a bill advancing
Montenegro's bid to join NATO, McCain noted objection from the Kentucky
senator, saying, "You are achieving the objectives of Vladimir Putin...
trying to dismember this small country which has already been the
subject an attempted coup."

Can we trade McCain for Manchin..?

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at March 15, 2017 04:14 PM (b7fwp)

366 When did this become a safe space from the news of the world?

Why are people ignoring meeee??????

Posted by: Richard Gere at March 15, 2017 04:15 PM (39g3+)

367 >>Lizzy- If you are still around, the Irish Soda Bread is the bomb. So yummy. Thank you!!!



Glad you liked the recipe!!

Posted by: O at March 15, 2017 04:15 PM (NOIQH)

368 344 If they want to stop losing, they need some new faces (Chuckie-Poo ain't it) and essentially have to have their new version of Bill Clinton, a "so-called moderate" who blathers about stuff people are really concerned with in real life.

And two, they need to blame both TFG and Hillary! for their problems, run them down, and then bring out Bill Clinton 2.0 as a guy "who's nothing like them at all" but "a new guy with new ideas" and "a third way to get things done".

But, they won't get anywhere as long as they keep tripling down on stupid.

Which is fine with me.
Posted by: naturalfake at March 15, 2017 04:11 PM (vZ9Fw)

=================

Kind of reminds me of Democrats from the 1850s. Running geriatric candidates like Buchanan, but steadily losing any hold on the overall culture while being unable to put forward their most recent presidents like Pierce as exemplars because they just honestly weren't very good.

It'd be interesting to see an alternate reality to observe how the Democratic Party would have continued to evolve without the Civil War.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 04:15 PM (GrpW6)

369 "The Party for the Animals (PvdD) is the first political party in the world that does not put the short-term interests of man in the pivotal position, but the entire planet and all her inhabitants instead.

In other words, I'm not going to vote for the assholes in power, and I'm not going to vote for Wilders, so let's throw some love at the furries.

This is what you get in parliamentary democracies, and it's not necessarily a bad thing.

Posted by: JEM at March 15, 2017 04:15 PM (TppKb)

370 Did S leave already? I had a nice fruit basket all ready for him/her.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 15, 2017 04:12 PM (PY9jH)


I used the neuralizer on him/her.

Posted by: Agent Jay at March 15, 2017 04:15 PM (JO9+V)

371 345 I'm right in understanding that the Medicaid expansion is scheduled to be 100% state funded in the near future, right?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison
................
That is not correct.. it is state-administered and there is a share cost to the states.

and optional? No, I think just the expansion in O'Care was optional thanks to a ruling by the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 15, 2017 04:11 PM (so+oy)

================

I did specifically say the Medicaid expansion.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 04:16 PM (GrpW6)

372 Posted by: naturalfake at March 15, 2017 04:11 PM (vZ9Fw)

Martin "Guns" O'Malley is off to Iowa once more...

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 15, 2017 04:16 PM (hLRSq)

373 WikiP can be your friend. Check "List of political parties in the Netherlands"

Posted by: Y at March 15, 2017 04:16 PM (SsblQ)

374 The filibuster as we know it is gone.

Correct. It might have been a good idea, it might not have been, but it's moot now. It's dead, and it's not just pining for the fjords. It's plumage is molting and rotting.

Until the Dems are taught a lesson, we would be fools to rely on it in any way. When they regain the Senate, let them be the ones to reinstitute it.

Posted by: pep at March 15, 2017 04:16 PM (LAe3v)

375 Sen. John McCain on Wednesday directly accused fellow Republican Sen.
Rand Paul of working for Russian President Vladimir Putin.
===


WAY past time to put PawPaw in 'the home'.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 04:16 PM (Q5kE6)

376 It'd be interesting to see an alternate reality to observe how the Democratic Party would have continued to evolve without the Civil War.

Or how the country would have evolved had the 1877 dirty deal and the failure of Reconstruction not happened.

Posted by: JEM at March 15, 2017 04:16 PM (TppKb)

377 lol. Lizzy.

McNasty finally went around the bend with the pederast.

Posted by: Infidel at March 15, 2017 04:17 PM (uKRys)

378 1 All things are the fault of Republicans. Duh.

Posted by: First Rule of Politics at March 15, 2017 03:07 PM (b2jHL)



This thread could have stopped right there.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at March 15, 2017 04:17 PM (QQ+il)

379 *tosses confetti on Jane*


Hurray!


Wait, wait, none of you have made a PIV Party joke yet?

It's like I don't know you people anymore!

*runs off sobbing*

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 15, 2017 04:17 PM (mf5HN)

380 A Big Mac , a sixpack and a dead end dirt road...
Posted by: Mortimer
-----------
Blackberry Smoke tune:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hqroug3

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2017 04:17 PM (ZO497)

381 and optional? No, I think just the expansion in O'Care was optional thanks to a ruling by the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 15, 2017 04:11 PM (so+oy)


But I think there is a built-in decreasing Federal percentage of the state MedicAid coverage costs over the years, but I don't know the eventual percentage.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 15, 2017 04:17 PM (gwPgz)

382 New thread. And its from the future!

Posted by: buzzion at March 15, 2017 04:17 PM (z/Ubi)

383 363 So we're willing to never get any real conservative reforms accomplished in order to (hopefully) tie the hands of future Democrats in the Senate?

I would say Democrats got most everything they wanted in the Obama era, Republicans had almost zero victories even when they took Congress back.

Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2017 04:14 PM (1WzUn)

================

Look earlier. I said I wanted the filibuster gone.

But to shit on the GOP like they've literally never done anything good is just not a healthy way to look at politics.

They haven't done nearly enough, but they haven't done nothing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 04:17 PM (GrpW6)

384 Partij Voor de Vrijheid is Wilder's party

It's my party and I'll cry if I want to.

Posted by: Leslie Gore at March 15, 2017 04:17 PM (oVJmc)

385 from drudge link to the UK Express to YOU:

Mr Wilders, the leader of the anti-Islamist Party for Freedom
(PVV), is taking on Mr Rutte, from the People's Party for Freedom and
Democracy (VVD), in the knife-edge election race

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at March 15, 2017 04:17 PM (b7fwp)

386 I think Trump should announce: it is clear the the left and the GOP deep state have no intention of addressing realistic fixes to the nation's health insurance system. I am posting the names of all those in Congress who are stalling or stonewalling.

Due to Congress's refusal to get to work, we will let Obamacare operate as is, with annual increases in federal Obamacare spending based on the CPI. Please let your congressmen know when you've had enough.

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at March 15, 2017 04:18 PM (TdMsT)

387 >>>It's a good thing you can't remember the things Democrats couldn't pass because they couldn't get 60 votes in the Senate.



Like Card Check

and Cap and Trade.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison



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So we're willing to never get any real conservative reforms
accomplished in order to (hopefully) tie the hands of future Democrats
in the Senate?



I would say Democrats got most everything they wanted in the Obama
era, Republicans had almost zero victories even when they took Congress
back.
.
.
.Things that the Dems did not get while they had complete filibuster proof control of all three branches:

1. Assault Weapons ban.
2. $15 minimum wage.
3. Card check for unions.
4. Repeal of State right to work laws.
5. Carbon tax.
6. Vote on Kyoto Treaty.
7. Lead Ban on ammunition.

I am sure I am missing a metric a$$ ton more.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 15, 2017 04:18 PM (le7jz)

388
If we could talk to the animals, just imagine it
Chatting to a chimp in chimpanzee
Imagine talking to a tiger, chatting to a cheetah
What a neat achievement that would be.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 15, 2017 04:18 PM (IqV8l)

389 >>Even when Democrats lost their 60 vote majority, they still were still able to get ObamaCare passed.

>>I really can't think of a single good example for when Republicans effectively used the filibuster.

>>The Democrats already removed much of it it whenever it got in their way, and no doubt will formally remove all of it next time in power.

Not true. It passed with 60 votes specifically because the Democrats did not get rid of the filibuster for legislation. I don't know why this myth continues to live on, it's not like it happened a hundred years ago and it is the entire point of what is happening right now. There were 58 Democrats, plus two Independents, Lieberman, a former Democrat and a guy who caucused with the Democrats and Crazy Uncle Bernie Sanders.

As to when the Republicans used it sometimes the threat of it is enough to not even try for legislation. Exactly what is happening right now to the Republicans and why they are looking to use reconciliation and do the process backwards.

The only part of the filibuster that Reid got rid of was the filibuster for federal judges. Something that is about to bite the Democrats in the ass when Trump starts appointing his own federal judges and he's got a bunch of them to do. Reid could have gutted the entire thing but even that crazy old loon was aware that Democrats weren't going to run the Senate forever.

When you kill the filibuster you turn the Senate into a smaller House. Straight majority rule. Yea, it's inconvenient at times but it is also inconvenient for the left when they are in power.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 04:18 PM (/tuJf)

390 Deranged McCain is close to yelling at clouds for being Russian agents.

Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2017 04:18 PM (r/0kC)

391 Or how the country would have evolved had the 1877 dirty deal and the failure of Reconstruction not happened.
Posted by: JEM at March 15, 2017 04:16 PM (TppKb)
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Or if Spain kicked our ass in the '98 war.

Posted by: Y at March 15, 2017 04:18 PM (SsblQ)

392 375 Sen. John McCain on Wednesday directly accused fellow Republican Sen.
Rand Paul of working for Russian President Vladimir Putin.
_____________________________

Maybe Trump should name Putin as Secretary of Labor.

After all, it seems Putin has put a ridiculous amount of Americans to work for him.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 15, 2017 04:18 PM (4AVeu)

393 I just skewered my McCain doll, which is actually an old potato, with an icepick.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 15, 2017 04:18 PM (nN3W/)

394 Historically the Senate filibuster has served a "republican" purpose (i.e. protecting the minority and limiting dramatic govt. action).


Predictions are hard, especially about the future (Yogi Berra?), but ..... having spent a lot of time in the Senate in a recent previous epoch, and watching it for several years more recently, I don't think there's much change the filibuster survives the next Senate Dem majority.


Reid's outrageous "time-out" from the cloture rule to stuff the DC Circuit court was a blueprint and a harbinger, not an outlier.


The civic degradation I always whine about includes, crucially, the collapse of standards and prudence among, mostly the Dems and their machine. They simply no longer share the civic values and mindset that made America unique. Thus: DC Circuit stuffing, massive voter fraud, judicial distortion of the electoral system based on race, the astonishingly anti-American idea of "card check" (no secret ballot) for unionizing votes.


So, assessment of ending the cloture rule in the Senate for legislation and nominations: risky, but probably the better call, given the actual circumstances we face now and in the future.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 15, 2017 04:18 PM (QDnY+)

395 zombie: "The final vote will leave no overall majority party, so they must form a coalition. Problem is, all the parties hate each other, and all have vowed to freeze out Wilders."

So, just like France and LePen.

Globalists are into politics like ticks on a hound.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 15, 2017 04:18 PM (1CroS)

396 376 It'd be interesting to see an alternate reality to observe how the Democratic Party would have continued to evolve without the Civil War.

Or how the country would have evolved had the 1877 dirty deal and the failure of Reconstruction not happened.

Posted by: JEM at March 15, 2017 04:16 PM (TppKb)

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Where's Rick?

I need his portal gun to go into some alternate universes.

I might skip the one where Hitler cured cancer, though...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 04:19 PM (GrpW6)

397 I think President Obama should sign an executive order giving the entire United States an Obamacare waiver like Obama did all his buddies in unions etc. Everyone, everywhere.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 04:19 PM (39g3+)

398 Partij Voor de Vrijheid is Wilder's party


Vrijheid means freedom, not frigid, you pervs.

Krautish press is saying Wilders' PVV is performing well below expectations.

Rutte is credited with a boost for bitch-slapping Erdogan.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 15, 2017 04:20 PM (gIRsn)

399 When did this become a safe space from the news of the world?



Why are people ignoring meeee??????

Posted by: Richard Gere at March 15, 2017 04:15 PM (39g3+)

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I wish you had ignored me.

Posted by: Really Stinky Gerbil at March 15, 2017 04:20 PM (cOHS7)

400 This is what you get in parliamentary democracies, and it's not necessarily a bad thing.

Posted by: JEM at March 15, 2017 04:15 PM (TppKb)


So, a number of the Dutch voted for "ice-cream"?

Dutch vanilla. Oh well.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 15, 2017 04:20 PM (WQX/u)

401 *looks lustily at Richard Gere*

Posted by: KIA hamsters at March 15, 2017 04:20 PM (nAzq8)

402 The filibuster as we know it is gone.

Correct. It might have been a good idea, it might not have been, but it's moot now. It's dead, and it's not just pining for the fjords. It's plumage is molting and rotting.

Until the Dems are taught a lesson, we would be fools to rely on it in any way. When they regain the Senate, let them be the ones to reinstitute it.
Posted by: pep
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That's why I can't understand "conservatives" wanting to keep it.

Can anyone really with a straight face say if Schumer gets his majority back he's going to let Republicans filibuster him on everything?

Reid already crossed the Rubicon, he basically nuked it everytime it got in his way.

People outside of DC will take very little notice if it is done away with, 90% of the population doesn't even understand it.

Might as well fix some things and take the gamble.

Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2017 04:20 PM (1WzUn)

403 Posted by: Agent Jay at March 15, 2017 04:15 PM (JO9+V)

J, WTF! Don't you know you are supposed to be an under cover operative?

Posted by: M at March 15, 2017 04:20 PM (gwPgz)

404 Pass the Dutchie.

Posted by: Musical Youth at March 15, 2017 04:20 PM (1mpdO)

405 The main question is: Will the mainstream centrist PVV party, with only 20% of seats in Parliament, be able to form a coalition with the also-ran parties to get 50+% seats to "form a goverment"? If you leave out Wilder's party and it's 13%, it becomes almost impossible. Also, about 7% of the seats are held by fringe kook parties, so they're also off the table. So that leaves the remaining 60% of seats in parties to negotiate with, and they're about 50/50 split left-and-right, and often refuse to work with antithetical parties. But there' no room for error. It will be a difficult high-wire act to get another 30% on board with the PM's party since there is so much disagreement and backroom backstabbing.

If they can't pull it off, they may have top agree to allow Wilders' party into the coalition, which is what we want.

Posted by: zombie at March 15, 2017 04:20 PM (DQ4Fv)

406 Yea, it's inconvenient at times but it is also inconvenient for the left when they are in power.
Posted by: JackStraw


If they choose to honor it. If.

Posted by: pep at March 15, 2017 04:20 PM (LAe3v)

407 389
When you kill the filibuster you turn the Senate into a smaller House. Straight majority rule. Yea, it's inconvenient at times but it is also inconvenient for the left when they are in power.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 04:18 PM (/tuJf)

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After they lost the Kennedy seat and they snuck the ACA through procedurally, what else did Democrats pass in terms of large legislation?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 04:21 PM (GrpW6)

408 >>If they choose to honor it. If.

Why didn't Reid get rid of it? Was he a moderate?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 04:22 PM (/tuJf)

409 In the topic of the last thread, I have just seen The Most Moronic Thing. See, apparently YouTube has decided to produce a Malthusian DOOM series to release on YouTube Red. Y'know, like you do. Malthusian DOOM being so hot right now.

So, the text is that the US is out of resources, because we're totally going to run out of fucking grain or something, and the US decides to handle this by... eliminating high-schoolers. Not eliminating Sicky McGramperson, not eliminating babies or toddlers. No, resource allocation is going to be based on who passes the SAT in the smartliest way.

I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP

Of course, this is described by Evil President Von NotTrump as ensuring that we have the best, smartliest people ever and totally awesome and if you want dumb people to live you're unamerican. Or something.

Of course, the tests are rigged for the powerful and connected because of course they are. In a fit of leftist 'tard, it's not enough that there are purges, but that the purges are unfair, because of course they are. And the brave #Resistance of high-schoolers are going to band together to defeat The Man, because of course they are.

The Most. Stupidest. Stupid. Of Stupid: those failing the test are dragged from the classroom by masked Failure Ninjas.

Dave Barry - like, I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP

"The Thinning" is apparently what they are calling this... abortion. I think. I may have left some brane behind just seeing the preview.

Posted by: Sporkatus at March 15, 2017 04:22 PM (eXSOZ)

410 >>After they lost the Kennedy seat and they snuck the ACA through procedurally, what else did Democrats pass in terms of large legislation?

And that procedure was called Reconciliation.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 04:22 PM (/tuJf)

411 408 >>If they choose to honor it. If.

Why didn't Reid get rid of it? Was he a moderate?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 04:22 PM (/tuJf)

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He was certainly more competent than Schumer.

Schumer's relative incompetence at running the Senate could lead to it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 04:23 PM (GrpW6)

412 Its always true that a rule is valid until its ignored or removed. Filibuster is a useful tool in an divided nation, especially in the Senate where I prefer things slow down. The less government the better, remember? The less they do the less damage they can inflict on us?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 04:23 PM (39g3+)

413 As Limbaugh put it today, we keep hearing that Trump's going to be overcome by the secret plot du jour, and the media keeps being the people actually getting burned.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 15, 2017 04:24 PM (3J/LN)

414 "The final vote will leave no overall majority party, so they must form a coalition. Problem is, all the parties hate each other, and all have vowed to freeze out Wilders."

So, just like France and LePen.



No. Parliamentary systems elect a Prime Minister (head of government) based on a majority/coaltion in parliament, which is what Wilders is running for and Rutte will likely win again.

Le Pen is running for President (head of state) which in France is a first round free for all and then a runoff between the two top candidates if no one gets 50%.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 15, 2017 04:25 PM (gIRsn)

415 >>He was certainly more competent than Schumer.

Really? What has Schumer's competence allowed him to accomplish?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 04:25 PM (/tuJf)

416 "MSNBC created", get this, "an exceedingly cynical spectacle".

Well, my shocked face left early, so that's that.

Posted by: Jingo Unchained! at March 15, 2017 04:25 PM (Z8+SR)

417 Oh, and they're working on a Matrix reboot. Because, so long ago, and stuff.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 04:25 PM (39g3+)

418 Sporkatus -- sorry but there's a nood.


Maybe repost that.

Posted by: JJ at March 15, 2017 04:25 PM (qUNWi)

419 Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2017 04:20 PM (1WzUn)

I'm sure there are some exceptions, but it always seems to be as though the Dems have almost always been able to subvert a Republican majority in either House of Congress, the Republicans have almost NEVER been able to subvert a Democrat initiative in either House!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 15, 2017 04:25 PM (gwPgz)

420 So, the text is that the US is out of resources, because we're totally going to run out of fucking grain or something, and the US decides to handle this by... eliminating high-schoolers. Not eliminating Sicky McGramperson, not eliminating babies or toddlers. No, resource allocation is going to be based on who passes the SAT in the smartliest way.

So, the Silicon Valley libs' wettest dream?

Posted by: Ian S. at March 15, 2017 04:25 PM (3J/LN)

421 we keep hearing that Trump's going to be overcome by the secret plot du jour, and the media keeps being the people actually getting burned.

Exactly. The more they talk about Trump being taken out, the more rakes they step into.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 04:26 PM (39g3+)

422 415 >>He was certainly more competent than Schumer.

Really? What has Schumer's competence allowed him to accomplish?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 04:25 PM (/tuJf)

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You might have misread me.

I'm saying Schumer is less competent than Reid.

His handling of the early stages of the confirmation hearings that led to Tom Cotton yelling at him on the Senate floor told me that much.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 04:26 PM (GrpW6)

423
When you kill the filibuster you turn the Senate into a smaller House. Straight majority rule. Yea, it's inconvenient at times but it is also inconvenient for the left when they are in power.
Posted by: JackStraw
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You mean like the Founder's intended with the Vice President being the tie breaker?

Somehow the first 80 years of the Republic we went without a Senate filibuster.

Reid got rid of and kept parts of the filibuster as needed. The only reason he didn't formally shit can the entire thing was he found creative ways around it.

Also, had Reid been able to do it over again, he would have nuked the filibuster without question. Democrats will get rid of it as soon as it suits them, so you might as well use the next 4 years to pass some real reforms.

It's incredibly naive to think if we fall on our swords the Dems will do the same.

Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2017 04:27 PM (1WzUn)

424 417 Oh, and they're working on a Matrix reboot. Because, so long ago, and stuff.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 04:25 PM (39g3+)

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I understand remake exhaustion, but The Matrix feels like a perfect example of something to remake.

A great concept that the original series ended up screwing up, to many people's opinions.

Another take on the material that avoids those traps could be interesting.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 04:27 PM (GrpW6)

425 >>You might have misread me.

Ah, my bad. I did misread.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 04:27 PM (/tuJf)

426 425 Ah, my bad. I did misread.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 04:27 PM (/tuJf)

===============

Totes cool.

Nood by the way.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 04:27 PM (GrpW6)

427 Why didn't Reid get rid of it? Was he a moderate?

Because he was playing defense, not offense, for the last few years. He made it clear, though, that had Hillary won, they would nuke the filibuster for SC noms.

Posted by: pep at March 15, 2017 04:28 PM (LAe3v)

428 >>Reid got rid of and kept parts of the filibuster as needed. The only reason he didn't formally shit can the entire thing was he found creative ways around it.

Yea, like reconciliation. The very thing that Ryan and McConnell and, big and here, Trump are encouraging the Republicans to use to begin taking apart Obamacare.

At the beginning of his second term, Obama was so frustrated that he couldn't get his stuff through Congress, most specifically the Senate, that he announced he had a pen and phone and he was going to use them. And boy howdy did he. Most significant things that happened in his second term was done by EOs.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 04:31 PM (/tuJf)

429 The rules for remakes:

1) Its so dated that it feels old and set in a time period (Omega Man)
2) Its so old that its forgotten and can be brought to a new audience (DOA)
3) You have a fresh take on the concept, or are changing it, say into a comedy or turning a musical into a drama (Philadelphia Story)
4) The story can be told better now with the tech and film making devices (Batman)

And introducing a new one that Hollywood has come up with:

5) It was a big hit, but largely unknown in the international market

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 04:31 PM (39g3+)

430 >>Because he was playing defense, not offense, for the last few years. He made it clear, though, that had Hillary won, they would nuke the filibuster for SC noms.

And I guarantee you, if needed so will McConnell.

Legislation is a completely different ballgame.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 04:32 PM (/tuJf)

431 429 The rules for remakes:

1) Its so dated that it feels old and set in a time period (Omega Man)
2) Its so old that its forgotten and can be brought to a new audience (DOA)
3) You have a fresh take on the concept, or are changing it, say into a comedy or turning a musical into a drama (Philadelphia Story)
4) The story can be told better now with the tech and film making devices (Batman)

And introducing a new one that Hollywood has come up with:

5) It was a big hit, but largely unknown in the international market
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 04:31 PM (39g3+)

====================

6) Great concept, poor execution (Ocean's Eleven).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 04:33 PM (GrpW6)

432 "It doesn't work that way. Even though obamacare was written and passed and signed into law by obama without a single Republican vote, it will be the Republicans fault when it fails because Trump. That's just how things work with the left."

To this I would only add, "and the squishes will buy that line."

Posted by: RM at March 15, 2017 04:33 PM (U3LtS)

433 Yea, like reconciliation. The very thing that Ryan and McConnell and, big and here, Trump are encouraging the Republicans to use to begin taking apart Obamacare.

At the beginning of his second term, Obama was so frustrated that he couldn't get his stuff through Congress, most specifically the Senate, that he announced he had a pen and phone and he was going to use them. And boy howdy did he. Most significant things that happened in his second term was done by EOs.
Posted by: JackStraw




Republicans took back the House in 2010, but Democrats kept the Senate so the need to kill the filibuster was basically on things like specific to the Senate like judicial nominations, which is why he only got rid of the filibuster for that purpose.

It was only when it was in his way

Had Dems had the House, believe me, he would have gotten rid of all of it

Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2017 04:35 PM (1WzUn)

434 Had Dems had the House, believe me, he would have gotten rid of all of it

Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2017 04:35 PM (1WzUn)

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You got that right.

People you can't think of the fascists that are labeled democrats as anything other than evil. They will not act as you or I. they really, really want us dead. Look at history and the left.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 15, 2017 04:37 PM (cOHS7)

435 And I guarantee you, if needed so will McConnell.

Legislation is a completely different ballgame.
Posted by: JackStraw


I don't share your optimism. In any case, a filibuster is like a reputation for honesty; an all-or-nothing proposition. Once you show you aren't willing to respect it, nobody will trust you again.

Posted by: pep at March 15, 2017 04:40 PM (LAe3v)

436
"The number (millions) affected by the destruction of the individual market (and it's millions, and by itself is a multiple of 3-5 times those who "gained" from O-care) can be estimated, as always opportunity costs are more like educated guesses."

There was a quote from a Democrat about that back about the time of the election. "I'd rather have 20 million new insureds than give breaks to a bunch of angry white men."

Charming.

Posted by: RM at March 15, 2017 04:51 PM (U3LtS)

437 Take a look at the history of the filibuster. Currently, it has little to no resemblance to the original rules for the filibuster. The first regime lasted from 1806 to 1917 with virtually unlimited debate--the only catch was that you had to hold the floor in a tag team of senators. The first real filibuster did not occur until 1837. Rule 22 adopting cloture was not adopted until 1917.

Under Wilson's prodding (I believe it was Fighting Bob Follette's filibuster of the Armed Ships Act which Republicans cynically latched onto during the whole Zimmerman Telegraph crisis to keep Congress in session but it has been awhile since I read that), the Senate established a 2/3rd's rule for cloture which was amended in 1975 to 3/5th's under the nuclear option. Reid's amendment was simply the last in a long line of changes to this institution.

It ain't the constitutional monolith that people think it is and the Senate has changed how it proceeds in a variety of ways during the last 100 years. It is not the magic wand that people think that it is and history shows that if it is inconvenient, it WILL be changed if the majority deems fit.

From Brookings but still a pretty good read.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/z99xmje

Posted by: whig at March 15, 2017 05:21 PM (AH98f)

438 McConnell likes his traditions, but Democrats are starting a brand new one; absolute sedition and mindless opposition to everything.

The filibuster's days are numbered. Good.

Posted by: Herr Olbermann, sensing weakness and a chance to wrest back his old time slot from Frau Maddow at March 15, 2017 05:42 PM (Ndje9)

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