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Winners and Losers in Last Night's Maddow Debacle

Let's say the obvious first: By dramatically revealing that Trump had paid an effective tax rate of 25%, $38 million in tax on $150 million in income, Rachel Maddow embarrassed herself, and the media, and even managed to make Hillary Clinton look like an even bigger liar than we already thought she was.

Remember this old Hillary Clinton attack line?


This was soon after the New York Times revealed that due to huge, huge losses in one year, Trump could carry over those losses for 15 or so years, so he "might" have paid no taxes in the interim.

Well, $38 million in one year is more than $0. I'm no professional fact-checker, but I believe this makes Hillary Clinton a big fat liar.

It was so bad that Brian Fallon, Hillary Clinton's former spokesman, had to admit... this was nothing at all, and then had to start changing the subject to other matters:



Even the squawking gigantic socialist emu Sally Kohn had to admit this was a "nothingburger:"


But don't worry; she rallied and said a bunch of stupid things later. We'll get to those.

MSNBC's sister network, CNBC, had to admit that Rachel Maddow had done a big favor to Trump.

They tweeted that story out, but then I guess management decided to suppress the truth so they deleted the Tweet. Left the story, but stopped advertising it.

They did later put it back out -- only after they clarified this was just an op-ed, not a fact or anything.

Now, a little more before, obviously, the usual nutters -- the Blue Checkmark Mafia and the NeverTrump bitter-ender fake conservatives -- were ejaculating stupid all over themselves in anticipation.

Like...

That retard Jason Leopold who got all yelley with Martha McCallum yesterday about his stupid mockumentary about St. Michael Brown of the Low-Quality Dimebag...


Like The Rick Wilson:


Like Rosie O'Donnell, though she did later pick up on the fact that she had been led into a Snipe Hunt inside Al Capone's Vaults:



Anyway, many expressed deflation similar to Rosie afterwards.

A few intrepid souls, however, tried to polish this very mushy turd.

Sally Kohn attempted to lock herself in the Radiation Chamber to save her Captain Rachel Maddow by saying this stupid thing:


First of all, she claims to be a lawyer.

If she were any kind of real lawyer, or even someone borderline fluent in policy, or someone making $100,000 or more, she would know the Alternative Minimum Tax is an additional tax assessed when the actual income tax you owe, once deductions have been taken, fall below a certain level. The point of the tax was to keep billionaires from structuring their income in various tricky ways to pay little tax.

Trump actually had a low income tax liability -- remember, he actually could take those big carryover losses from his bad years -- plus depreciation on his construction equipment, etc.

So his actual owed tax was 4% of his $150 million. But in swoops the Alternative Minimum Tax to come in and say, "No way buddy. You're paying 20.7% more than that, because 4% is so low."

Anyone who's in law and policy -- or who makes enough money to get hit by the AMT ( and more and more people do -- it's called a Hidden Yearly Tax Hike, because the income level you hit it at hasn't been updated in decades, and so more and more people get hit with it even though in real dollars they're making less money than the tax was initially targeted to kick in at) -- knows this, knows what the AMT is, and knows it's a real tax. Donald Trump paid it.

This is all news to squawking gigantic socialist emu Sally Kohn, who thinks if you pay 20.7% in the AMT on top of the 4% in actual tax liability you're... I don't know. Not really paying the 20.7%? Like it's just an imaginary thing? Like you pay it in Fake Dollars?

This is pig-ignorant, and anyone saying something so catastrophically stupid should be barred from making any commentary on any public issue.

Our media, which pretends to know all that needs knowing, spoke of the AMT as if they were attempting to translate those stupid circles the heptapods kept making in Arrival:


The "so-called thing which anyone who is barely fluent in policy already knows about."

That guy's a Daily Beast "journalist," by the way.

This guy answered thus:


Old pal Andy had this point -- if our Media Elites are as Elite as they claim, how the hell don't they know about the AMT? Aren't they already paying it themselves, as many upper-middle class earners are?


Maybe appearing as a Designated Idiot on TV doesn't pay as much as I thought it might.

By the way, people don't even call this the Alternative Minimum Tax, and certainly not the "so-called Alternative Minimum Tax." They just call it the AMT, because everyone knows what it is. Or anyone who knows shit about taxes does, anyway.

This is like saying "the so-called '1040 form'" or "the so-called 'taxable income.'"

Or like saying, "Trump paid 38 million so-called 'dollars.'"

Other people attempted to play the "It's not important this thing we claimed has now been proven false, we should look at this other thing!" card:


I haven't worked out the math, but I'm going to guess that a guy with $10 billion in total assets should be pulling in more than $150 million a year.

However, this was 2005, not 2016, and many of Trump's holdings in New York rose in value dramatically during that time.

And anyway, this is a pretty bullshit point -- it's not illegal to claim you're worth more money than you are, and most of us already factored in the fact that Trump is a bullshit artist and was probably including the full value of properties he merely only had a percentage interest in.

And anyway further, we all know what the media was looking for here: Proof that Trump paid no taxes, or took a deduction for $17 million for "Kompromat payoffs to Vlad" and "Business Entertainment Expenses for Business Entertainment Hookers With Really Big Tits and Really Small Bladders."

For Kurt Eichenwald to claim that this is the real story that everyone should be focusing on... well, who knows, maybe someone sent him an animated gif tonight and scrambled his noggins.

Finally, one more embarrassment. Remember that kid whose ass-cheeks Emillio Estevez duct-taped in the Breakfast Club? Yeah that kid -- he's got his own shoe on MSNBC, and he's called Chris Hayes.

He tried to defend his Partner in Stupid Rachel Maddow by attempting to use some young-people slang to snark at Maddow's critics.

It's very unfortunate when 40-somethings attempt to use the venacular of 15 year olds which is now officially dated -- and you can tell it's dated, because Chris Hayes is using it:


Hey that tweet is straight fire, bae. You get jiggy widdit and keep writin' those phat (with a ph) words, ya feel me homeslice?



Posted by: Ace at 09:30 AM




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1 601 Pres. Trump is tweeting away today. Sounds like he is in a good mood. Addresses everything from tax return. Snoop Dog, rally in TN and trip to Detroit. Too funny.

Posted by: Tuna at March 15, 2017 09:25 AM (Phln5)

2 Well that's a first. I was first.

Posted by: Tuna at March 15, 2017 09:27 AM (Phln5)

3 Insomnia kick in again last night?

(Just surprised to see a post this early. But well done, btw)

Posted by: Blanco at March 15, 2017 09:28 AM (tGBt6)

4
Mistress master! Mistress master!! Quickly come see what the mean man said about you!!! Shall I give you a lamp to throw?

Posted by: Huma at March 15, 2017 09:28 AM (HSmrB)

5 Morning, Ace!

Posted by: Todd at March 15, 2017 09:29 AM (uSkUN)

6 Good Morning Ace, or should I say Later Evening for you.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 15, 2017 09:29 AM (u82oZ)

7 Dvr'ed it last night and my god she rambles on and on about potential misdeeds and nothing.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 15, 2017 09:30 AM (dKiJG)

8 Ace up an at 'em

Posted by: Bruce at March 15, 2017 09:30 AM (8ikIW)

9 Hell has frozen over. Ace is posting before I had my first cup of coffee.

Posted by: dantesed at March 15, 2017 09:30 AM (88xKn)

10 willowed:

And I think they have done enough damage to themselves over this, there is no need to go out and martyr them. Their big scoop is that Donald Trump makes a lot of money and pays a lot in taxes. I think Mr. Trump should send them a bouquet as a 'thank you' for helping him with this issue.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 15, 2017 09:31 AM (hLRSq)

11 Still awake, Ace?

Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2017 09:31 AM (Gbk/a)

12 Bigger Story is that the are going to reboot the Matrix, God I hate Hollywood.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 15, 2017 09:31 AM (dKiJG)

13 Kinda wish I didn't leave that Never Trump FB group..

Just to see the mental gymnastics they would be vaulting over to justify Maddow.

Posted by: Blanco at March 15, 2017 09:31 AM (tGBt6)

14 It's very unfortunate when 40-somethings attempt to use the venacular of 15 year olds which is now officially dated

That wench who accosted Spicer at the Apple store?

She did this bigtime. She sounded like somebody's mom trying to show they're down with today's youth, despite wearing polyester stretchpants and having curlers in her artificially-colored hair.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 09:33 AM (oVJmc)

15 Jason Pollack did the Michael Brown documentary, Jason Leopold (IIRC) was the one saying that Karl Roves was going to be arrested.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 15, 2017 09:33 AM (hLRSq)

16 He paid more in taxes in one year than I'll make in my entire life, by several orders of magnitude. These assholes need to shut up about the tax bullshit.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 09:34 AM (0mRoj)

17 Did you sleep last night, Ace?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at March 15, 2017 09:34 AM (9krrF)

18 I'll admit to my shame I actually had a small flare of nervousness when I read here that the Ministry of Truth had his tax returns.

Not so much because of what was in them, but because of how they'd be able to create another fake Freak Out (tm) to try to destroy Trump with.

I had, in my moment of shame, forgotten that they are soulless talentless hacks with not a truthful, honest or competent bone in their body. Of course it was a nothingburger.

Still not tired of winning.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 15, 2017 09:34 AM (WuRdh)

19 "squawking gigantic socialist emu"

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that + tea = THIS close to losing a monitor.

Posted by: josephistan at March 15, 2017 09:35 AM (7HtZB)

20 My favorite line

Maybe appearing as a Designated Idiot on TV doesn't pay as much as I thought it might.-----
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I am sure you are referring to that insufferable Richard Fowler. He fowls up every show he's on!

Posted by: Chilling the most at March 15, 2017 09:35 AM (Cl52v)

21 Next season on "Orange is the new Black"

A failed politician and a media personality of unknown gender are the new inmates left to racially quarrel and preform lesbian acts on each other.

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 15, 2017 09:35 AM (FZYNt)

22 Oh.

OH.


Rosie? Lick Rilson? It's beautiful , man.

This IS an Art Thread!

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 09:35 AM (lKcIL)

23 The entire amount Trump paid, was in Rubles.

Posted by: Bruce at March 15, 2017 09:35 AM (8ikIW)

24 I thought Jason Pollock was the name of Mikey Moore's fluffer.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 09:36 AM (0mRoj)

25 Like The Rick Wilson

If nothing else, Wick Rilson is giving Olllie Willis a run for his money as "dumbest pundit in the blogosphere."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 15, 2017 09:36 AM (X6fMO)

26 I heard from Harry Reid who heard from some guy that Donald Trump passed out at 31 Flavors last night didn't pay any federal income taxes.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 09:36 AM (oVJmc)

27 These guys aren't exactly rocket scientists.

They're more like the folks who launch bottle rockets from their crotch.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at March 15, 2017 09:37 AM (9krrF)

28 I sense a disturbance in the Force.

Posted by: bluebell at March 15, 2017 09:37 AM (sBOL1)

29 Or like saying, "Trump paid 38 million so-called 'dollars.'"
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LOL.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 15, 2017 09:38 AM (PXbkt)

30 That wench who accosted Spicer at the Apple store?

She did this bigtime. She sounded like somebody's mom trying to show they're down with today's youth, despite wearing polyester stretchpants and having curlers in her artificially-colored hair.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 09:33 AM (oVJmc)


I know Spicer has to exhibit some decorum considering his position, but if he had responded to her screech of "How does it feel working for a fascist?" with, "If I really worked for a fascist, you'd be smoke up a chimney right now, sugartits," I'd have been in seventh heaven.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 15, 2017 09:38 AM (X6fMO)

31 Like I said last night.

MSNBC and Maddow are plummeting to the bottom of the canyon wearing an ACME 'Bat Man Flying Suit'.

And Trump owns ACME.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 09:38 AM (lKcIL)

32 Ya notice that depending on how it supports the narrative they talk about % of income paid in taxes versus the actual dollars?

He paid more in taxes ($38m) in one year than nearly all of these losers will fucking earn in their lifetimes!

Posted by: steve walsh at March 15, 2017 09:38 AM (hloNl)

33 Jason Leopold writes for Vice I think.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 09:38 AM (0mRoj)

34 A thing of beauty Ace. I've avalanched a bunch of people to the link.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at March 15, 2017 09:38 AM (v6f/2)

35 I think it's at least possible that Trump set this up.

Posted by: Max Power at March 15, 2017 09:39 AM (QCc6B)

36 "They did later put it back out -- only after they clarified this was just an op-ed, not a fact or anything."

---

Left-Leaning Op-Ed:
*This is basically unaltered truth from the prophet's mouth. Doesn't even require a footnote.

Right-Leaning Op-Ed:
*These are merely the opinions, nay, conjectures of a raving madman, that we really shouldn't even be printing, and in no way represent anything approaching a reasonable point of view and could never, ever, ever, represent the views of this organization or really anyone but this lone nutter, but we're so decent and so much about an open press that we let a lone nutter have a shot even if it just embarrasses him, and we'll give over 9000 pages of rebuttal to all of the graceful, articulate, well-written non-deplorables to ensure you are fully aware that the contents of this piece are, for lack of a better word, wrong.

Posted by: JUST THE FACTS at March 15, 2017 09:39 AM (wx6iv)

37 squawking gigantic socialist emu

Saved in the "Spank the Left" bank.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 15, 2017 09:39 AM (u82oZ)

38 Did I not close my tag?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 15, 2017 09:39 AM (X6fMO)

39 What's just as funny is the official White House statement calling what Maddow did a criminal act and scooping her scoop of 38 million on 150 million.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 15, 2017 09:40 AM (2qHjF)

40 I've generally erred on the side of caution rather than proclaiming that Trump is playing N-dimensional chess with half his brain tied behind his back, but man, it's hard not to look at this and think that Trump wasn't running circles around everyone with this whole thing here.

Give them the minimum to keep them thinking they're on to something, be dodgy about releasing them yourself to imply that you're hiding something, and then leak the actual documents when it proves that you had nothing to hide? That's has to be one of the ballsiest and brilliant political moves ever. That is assuming, of course, that he leaked the documents intentionally.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 15, 2017 09:40 AM (KUaJL)

41

Indiana Star headline (probably from USA Today):

President Trump and a Pulitzer winner engage in a Twitter war over tax returns
----------------------------------------------------------------
Gee, Pulitzer winner. Can't argue with one of them.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 15, 2017 09:40 AM (IqV8l)

42 Ever wonder what it is that MSNBC does that is sooooo important that it hasn't been shut down and buried?

Does it actually make money or is it a tax thing for its corporation?

My theory is that it's a way for Comcast to contribute to Democrats without actually having to give them money.

Posted by: Skunky Choom at March 15, 2017 09:40 AM (u/p7K)

43 And to make sure we are winning, remember HCWNBPOTUS.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 15, 2017 09:40 AM (u82oZ)

44 12 Bigger Story is that the are going to reboot the Matrix, God I hate Hollywood.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 15, 2017 09:31 AM (dKiJG)

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Considering how everyone loves the concept but hates the sequels, The Matrix is actually a really good candidate to reboot.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 09:40 AM (GrpW6)

45 you'd be smoke up a chimney right now, sugartits


That was a Deep Purple B side

Posted by: Bruce at March 15, 2017 09:40 AM (8ikIW)

46 }}}}If nothing else, Wick Rilson is giving Olllie Willis a run for his money as "dumbest pundit in the blogosphere."

They will have to dig a trench to limbo under that bar.

But their shovels are at the ready.

Posted by: Blanco at March 15, 2017 09:40 AM (tGBt6)

47 Donald Trump didn't hide his money in a bullshit 'charity,' Hillary.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 09:41 AM (oVJmc)

48 27 These guys aren't exactly rocket scientists.

They're more like the folks who launch bottle rockets from their crotch.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at March 15, 2017 09:37 AM (9krrF)


Or, the Roman Candle guy.

Now that, was fucking funny.....

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 15, 2017 09:41 AM (qoAfa)

49 1) Rick Wilson: Fuck that guy in particular

2) Interesting spin, first story I saw was TRUMP ONLY PAID A TINY FRACTION IN INCOME TAX and then, quietly, and another $31M to make, umm, a shitload of taxes he paid.

Posted by: blaster at March 15, 2017 09:42 AM (tewYv)

50 What did Mika and Joe have to say about it this morning? I slept in and missed the dramatic re-enactment.

Posted by: huerfano at March 15, 2017 09:42 AM (jkkMG)

51 Hey that tweet is straight fire, bae. You get jiggy widdit and keep writin' those phat (with a ph) words, ya feel me homeslice?


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sick burn !

Posted by: runner at March 15, 2017 09:42 AM (tVCWm)

52 Bigger Story is that the are going to reboot the Matrix,
===

Not Spiderman? C'mon guys it's been a year at least.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 09:42 AM (lKcIL)

53 Even though it's a nothing burger, isn't what Maddow did still illegal? I wish they'd go after her - it's one thing to strike a pose as martyr and Defender of Freedom of the Press when the leak you've reported on is actually news, and quite another when it's no big deal. Maddow wanted to be Daniel Ellsberg - instead she's Bozo.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at March 15, 2017 09:42 AM (ZM2xo)

54 40 I've generally erred on the side of caution rather than proclaiming that Trump is playing N-dimensional chess with half his brain tied behind his back, but man, it's hard not to look at this and think that Trump wasn't running circles around everyone with this whole thing here.

Give them the minimum to keep them thinking they're on to something, be dodgy about releasing them yourself to imply that you're hiding something, and then leak the actual documents when it proves that you had nothing to hide? That's has to be one of the ballsiest and brilliant political moves ever. That is assuming, of course, that he leaked the documents intentionally.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 15, 2017 09:40 AM (KUaJL)

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He just needed to know a couple of things:

1) The American people don't actually care about presidential nominee tax returns, but the media does.

and

2) He did actually pay income taxes in at least a few years, and he could use it as a distraction when necessary.

The media seems shockingly easy to play now that we see someone actually doing it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 09:42 AM (GrpW6)

55 Actually, by emu standards Kohn is pretty modest. They're goddamn big birds, and aggressive as hell.

In other news, this is California on Prop 47:

https://goo.gl/oxgkcZ

Bear in mind most nonviolent property crimes under $950 are now a nothingburger and many jurisdictions won't even charge.

Posted by: JEM at March 15, 2017 09:43 AM (TppKb)

56 Ok, so Trump paid a 25% tax rate, but this leaves so many questions unanswered. Has Trump colluded with the inhabitants of Ceti Alpha III to help them plan an invasion of Earth and make Trump emperor? NOBODY KNOWS!

Posted by: Mr. R. Madcow at March 15, 2017 09:43 AM (xujbM)

57
Arithmetic: it's hard.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 15, 2017 09:43 AM (OZmbA)

58 41

Indiana Star headline (probably from USA Today):

President Trump and a Pulitzer winner engage in a Twitter war over tax returns
----------------------------------------------------------------
Gee, Pulitzer winner. Can't argue with one of them.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 15, 2017 09:40 AM (IqV8l)

================

Roger Ebert won a Pulitzer, which means that you can never disagree with his opinion about movies.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 09:43 AM (GrpW6)

59 OK, I read every damn word of it. This prompts several thoughts:


(i) Ace spends too damn much time with that whore Twitter. He promised us he was going to stop wasting time with that floozy.

(B) Is Twitter unavoidably important? If it's the medium by which journos communicate with each other and send virtue signals to Inspector Gordon, maybe he should pay attention to it for us.

(gamma) The timing of the post is suspicious. I wasn't here last night but the last time "Ace" posted at 9:30 it was because he told CBD to do it for him.

So I don't have any much fear that the boss his own self is going to read this.

I think it's kind of cheaty and underestimates how much some of us enjoy the art thread. Hell, stomp on Sefton if stomping needs to stomp.

(4) The merits of the case. It doesn't shed any new light on the Trump. It's equally possible that this is a typical return or that it's the only year he ever made money and he leaked it.

It's not exactly new light, but it does illuminate the illiteracy and innumeracy of the professional commenting class.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 15, 2017 09:43 AM (gIRsn)

60 next time someone brings up taxes - Potus TRump : hey, I payed more than a lot of people ! even corporations !

Posted by: runner at March 15, 2017 09:44 AM (tVCWm)

61 Wick Rilson has jerked himself retarded while watching tentacle pr0n in his mother's basement.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 09:44 AM (0mRoj)

62
When I see a photo of Kohn I always think Brendan Fraser in drag.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 15, 2017 09:44 AM (OZmbA)

63 42 Ever wonder what it is that MSNBC does that is sooooo important that it hasn't been shut down and buried?

Does it actually make money or is it a tax thing for its corporation?

My theory is that it's a way for Comcast to contribute to Democrats without actually having to give them money.
Posted by: Skunky Choom at March 15, 2017 09:40 AM (u/p7K)

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I have to imagine a "news" organization that doesn't actually do any news gathering but is instead a handful of sets with not all that well paid personalities on it is not that expensive to run.

They probably make enough money from cable subscribers who never turn to their channel to keep the channel running.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 09:44 AM (GrpW6)

64 Media are "so-called" Freakin' Idiots?!?!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 09:44 AM (NOIQH)

65 But he made millions on a deal with a Russian oligarch! An OLIGARCH, people! QED

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 15, 2017 09:45 AM (kTF2Z)

66 Please be true please be true

Why, this "The" Rick Wilson is a little girly-girl.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 15, 2017 09:45 AM (ul9CR)

67
Jason Pollack did the Michael Brown documentary,

===

His paint splatters were very colorful.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 09:45 AM (lKcIL)

68 Even though it's a nothing burger, isn't what Maddow did still illegal?

That's the way I understand it, but.....

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 15, 2017 09:45 AM (qoAfa)

69 So how does madcow follow this up tonight?

Maybe reveal his/her true gender?

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 15, 2017 09:45 AM (FZYNt)

70 The accusation/meme was that Trump has not paid any taxes in decades. Last night that was proven to be false. End of story, thanks to rachael maddow. She deserves a big round of applause for putting that lie to rest last night.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 15, 2017 09:45 AM (le7jz)

71 52 Bigger Story is that the are going to reboot the Matrix,
===

Not Spiderman? C'mon guys it's been a year at least.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 09:42 AM (lKcIL)

================

Gotta let the new one come out at least first.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 09:45 AM (GrpW6)

72 Madow's big scoop turned out to be a "so-called" Epic Failure and Journalistic Embarrassement?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 09:45 AM (NOIQH)

73 Good morning ace!!!

Don't be throwing shade on the media homies.

Dey jus be representin'.

Posted by: Golfman at March 15, 2017 09:46 AM (k0S3A)

74 Damn, Chris. How you be all like "I say, old chap, are you perchance flinging shadows at me?" I mean I can't even. Can anyone even?

Is anyone else evening?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 15, 2017 09:46 AM (/f1mm)

75 53 Even though it's a nothing burger, isn't what Maddow did still illegal? I wish they'd go after her - it's one thing to strike a pose as martyr and Defender of Freedom of the Press when the leak you've reported on is actually news, and quite another when it's no big deal. Maddow wanted to be Daniel Ellsberg - instead she's Bozo.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at March 15, 2017 09:42 AM (ZM2xo)

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I think it depends on how she received it.

If someone just handed it to her, I believe precedent protects her from leaking private information. If she asked for or paid for it, I think it's...less legal.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 09:46 AM (GrpW6)

76 paid, thank you very much

Posted by: runner at March 15, 2017 09:46 AM (tVCWm)

77 61 Wick Rilson has jerked himself retarded while watching tentacle pr0n in his mother's basement.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 09:44 AM (0mRoj)


So like, what .... 35 seconds?

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 15, 2017 09:46 AM (qoAfa)

78 First . . . to read the whole thing.

Who wins? The people. And Trump, of course.

On top of the beclowning, we get such gems as "gigantic socialist emu."

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 15, 2017 09:47 AM (GX63o)

79
Wick Rilson has jerked himself retarded while watching tentacle pr0n in his mother's basement.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor


He should be thankful he doesn't live in Texas.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 15, 2017 09:47 AM (IqV8l)

80 67
Jason Pollack did the Michael Brown documentary,

===

His paint splatters were very colorful.
Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 09:45 AM (lKcIL)

That ain't paint.

Posted by: josephistan at March 15, 2017 09:47 AM (7HtZB)

81
They got nothing to cling to but the appearance of impropriety. That's impeachment and removal from office stuff in lefty world.

Idiots.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 15, 2017 09:47 AM (ZFUt7)

82 'So-called AMT'

Which you have to pay in real dollars or go to real jail.

Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2017 09:47 AM (Gbk/a)

83 It was surreal how Tucker and Maddow's shows were on at the same time and as Maddow was excitedly reporting on it at the beginning of her show, a few clicks away, Tucker was already mocking it as idiotic.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at March 15, 2017 09:47 AM (ZM2xo)

84 I'd love it if Trump tweeted:

#YourLastNameIsntClinton

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 15, 2017 09:48 AM (/f1mm)

85
Trump is far out. Everything is groovy. Madcow is a groovy chick, er, dude.

That's my era slang.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 15, 2017 09:48 AM (OZmbA)

86 Oh, I think we now need to have a National Conversation on Taxes paid by VIPs and Media Organizations - starting with Rachel Maddow's taxes, The Clinton Foundation's taxes (which IIRC have already been revised once), NBC?Comcast's taxes, NYT's taxes....



I really hope Trump is the one who leaked his 2005 returns because that would be AWESOME.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 09:48 AM (NOIQH)

87 81
They got nothing to cling to but the appearance of impropriety. That's impeachment and removal from office stuff in lefty world.

Idiots.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 15, 2017 09:47 AM (ZFUt7)

===================

"If Republicans couldn't get Clinton for lying under oath, we'll be able to get Trump for the appearance of impropriety! It's gold, Jerry! Gold!"
-DNC, MSM, BIRM

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 09:48 AM (GrpW6)

88
That ain't paint.
Posted by: josephistan

that's a $100 fine in Texas

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 15, 2017 09:48 AM (FZYNt)

89 Wick Rilson has jerked himself retarded

===

uh oh


Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 09:48 AM (lKcIL)

90 Let's say the obvious first: By dramatically revealing that Trump had
paid an effective tax rate of 25%, $38 million in tax on $150 million in
income



He paid a net tax of $38M on $150M. That is an "effective" tax rate of 25%. Most people never pay anything close to that rate. I paid a gross tax of 6.7% last year. I figure that is about average for people in my categories. Maried standard deduction no other dependents. A lot of people say a 10% flat tax would be a cut for most people. It wouldn't unless all other taxes were rolled into it and maybe not even then. The fact is a flat tax of 10% would be a hike.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 15, 2017 09:49 AM (mpXpK)

91 they have got to get rid of AMT and the death tax; can run on that alone in 2018

Posted by: runner at March 15, 2017 09:49 AM (tVCWm)

92 His income not close to what it would be if he had the billions he claims. #MoreLies
====

Eichenwald is thick as a brick.

Every normal person who sees that Trump reported $150M in personal income will think, "Wow, he's even richer than I thought!" Nobody will try to guesstimate his net worth from it.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 15, 2017 09:49 AM (PXbkt)

93 86
I really hope Trump is the one who leaked his 2005 returns because that would be AWESOME.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 09:48 AM (NOIQH)

=================

The form says "client copy".

If it wasn't him, then I'll be a monkey's uncle.

(That's what the kids say these days, right?)

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 09:49 AM (GrpW6)

94 83 It was surreal how Tucker and Maddow's shows were on at the same time and as Maddow was excitedly reporting on it at the beginning of her show, a few clicks away, Tucker was already mocking it as idiotic.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at March 15, 2017 09:47 AM (ZM2xo)

It would be amazing to see him live-mock her show, a la MST3K.

Posted by: josephistan at March 15, 2017 09:49 AM (7HtZB)

95 It would be amazing to see him live-mock her show, a la MST3K.

Posted by: josephistan at March 15, 2017 09:49 AM (7HtZB)

Oh, that would be great!

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at March 15, 2017 09:50 AM (ZM2xo)

96 If he leaked them himself. trumpian troll level = grandmaster.


Posted by: Fox at March 15, 2017 09:50 AM (DVC2D)

97 90 He paid a net tax of $38M on $150M. That is an "effective" tax rate of 25%. Most people never pay anything close to that rate. I paid a gross tax of 6.7% last year. I figure that is about average for people in my categories. Maried standard deduction no other dependents. A lot of people say a 10% flat tax would be a cut for most people. It wouldn't unless all other taxes were rolled into it and maybe not even then. The fact is a flat tax of 10% would be a hike.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 15, 2017 09:49 AM (mpXpK)

==================

Can we go after people in the media who take out tax deductions on their houses and student loan payments?

If it's bad for Republicans running for president, then it must also be bad for them, right?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 09:50 AM (GrpW6)

98 It was surreal how Tucker and Maddow's shows were on
at the same time and as Maddow was excitedly reporting on it at the
beginning of her show, a few clicks away, Tucker was already mocking it
as idiotic.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at March 15, 2017 09:47 AM



Trey Gallagher was doing a play by play. It was awesome.

Posted by: huerfano at March 15, 2017 09:50 AM (jkkMG)

99 What's getting buried is that Rachel tried to tie the tax return to Russian Connections. She was unhinged

Also Brian Willams and others said that they had First amendment right to publish the return which is false

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 09:50 AM (mBse+)

100 Top 500!

"Hey that tweet is straight fire, bae. You get jiggy widdit and keep writin' those phat (with a ph) words, ya feel me homeslice?"


I'm here for the poetry.


Posted by: so called Deplorable Ian Galt at March 15, 2017 09:51 AM (8iiMU)

101 Eichenwald hasn't been the same since the strobe stroke.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 15, 2017 09:51 AM (ul9CR)

102 52 Bigger Story is that the are going to reboot the Matrix,

-----

$20 says that the movie starts with Mr. Anderson being disillusioned by the election of a ridiculous president, and the event convinces him that none of this is real!

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 15, 2017 09:51 AM (KUaJL)

103 Trump just broke the 60% approval ratings mark and probably higher outside of DC, NYC, Chicago, LA, and San Fran. This will never be reported because the brainwashed media and political class is incapable of reporting facts instead of their scripted narrative.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 15, 2017 09:51 AM (2qHjF)

104 Hillary did her agitprop talking point on Trump losing (almost) a billion in one year, but iircthe smart guys pointed out that real estate tanked in NY in the early 90's, and assessments on properties went down. So trump could reset the basis and take the difference (between the earlier appraised and current) as a deduction spread out over (I now hear) 18 years.

It was not really losing a billion in a year, it was taking the real estate dive (which happened over several years) in that one year, even though the "losses" were not realized, it was just an accounting thing. those that were forced to sell "realized" the losses, but Trump survived the hard times in NY.

And the reason for such tax structures is it encourages building, which provides construction jobs but also ongoing jobs, and housing. Most/many billionaires (Soros/Buffet/???) have been trading in highly leveraged stock/bond markets, getting favorable easy money policy to juice the markets which has made the rich richer and diversified our economy to foreign lands, often to enemies. Then we bail them out when they fail, but average people lose their homes and jobs.

And Trump made this argument to a congressional committee back in 1990, and was way ahead of the curve, but instead they kept blowing up the bubbles and Wall Street gained control over Main Street, and over DC.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 15, 2017 09:51 AM (BrMft)

105 >>My theory is that it's a way for Comcast to contribute to Democrats without actually having to give them money.


Yup. It doesn't make money - it is a vanity project funded by the other successful NBC-owned channels (they own a lot). They are essentially the DNC-TV as evidenced by the DNC email leaks, and while Obama was in office, they were Obama-TV.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 09:52 AM (NOIQH)

106 (That's what the kids say these days, right?)

Posted by: TheJamesMadison
==

Twenty three skidoo!

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 09:52 AM (lKcIL)

107 Are the GAINZZ making ace jump out of bed at the crack of dawn (by ewok time) fresh as a daisy?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at March 15, 2017 09:52 AM (ZM2xo)

108 So, I'm guessing "throw shade" is NOT about parasols.

Posted by: Muldoon at March 15, 2017 09:52 AM (wPiJc)

109 Y'see, here is the funny thing. Every one of the putative MSNBC viewer base, the supposed educated uppercrust, that is over 30 knows what AMT is. They've been screwed by it for years. Maddow just knocked three more points off the media credibility score, and in their core demographic.

We should send her flowers, or something.

Posted by: JEM at March 15, 2017 09:52 AM (TppKb)

110 I'm pretty sure most of the 'tards that watch MSLSD have no idea what an Oligarch is!

Posted by: Infidel at March 15, 2017 09:52 AM (uKRys)

111 So like, what .... 35 seconds?
Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 15, 2017 09:46 AM (qoAfa)

It was a short trip.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 09:53 AM (0mRoj)

112 99 What's getting buried is that Rachel tried to tie the tax return to Russian Connections. She was unhinged

Also Brian Willams and others said that they had First amendment right to publish the return which is false
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 09:50 AM (mBse+)


Define: False

Posted by: This is CNN at March 15, 2017 09:53 AM (qoAfa)

113 85
Trump is far out. Everything is groovy. Madcow is a groovy chick, er, dude.

That's my era slang.
Posted by: Sphynx at March 15, 2017 09:48 AM (OZmbA)

Phony.

Posted by: Holden Caufield at March 15, 2017 09:53 AM (GX63o)

114
Trump just broke the 60% approval ratings mark and probably higher outside of DC, NYC, Chicago, LA, and San Fran. This will never be reported because the brainwashed media and political class is incapable of reporting facts instead of their scripted narrative.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe


No one of any importance lives outside of those areas.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 15, 2017 09:54 AM (IqV8l)

115 96 If he leaked them himself.

----------

I leak myself.

:hic:

Posted by: Hillary at March 15, 2017 09:54 AM (7HtZB)

116 that net worth bS - BUffet who is what, second richest in this word, claimed ot have paid 18.6 % effective in 2010

Posted by: runner at March 15, 2017 09:54 AM (tVCWm)

117 103
Trump just broke the 60% approval ratings mark and probably higher
outside of DC, NYC, Chicago, LA, and San Fran. This will never be
reported because the brainwashed media and political class is incapable
of reporting facts instead of their scripted narrative.



Posted by: Widespread Pepe

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


They have their own polls that show he's at 46%.

Posted by: Skunky Choom at March 15, 2017 09:54 AM (u/p7K)

118 16 He paid more in taxes in one year than I'll make in my entire life, by several orders of magnitude. These assholes need to shut up about the tax bullshit.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 09:34 AM (0mRoj)

---

"He paid lots of taxes" is correct and helpful but doesn't get to the issue we need discussed.

The question is, did he do anything illegal?

Why do so many Americans refuse to hold their government accountable for the laws they impose? Why do they continue to elect law-happy power grubs?

I promise you all of these tax whiners, left and right, are getting whatever deductions and credits they can get down at H&R Block this month. They're not overpaying on purpose. But if you think the system is "rigged," one would surmise you ought elect someone to un-rig it rather than shrieking about people who are in fact following the laws and regulations.

Same goes for immigration, same goes for drugs, same goes for everything else. Maybe we do need to change some laws, repeal some laws. But 'til then, rage about actually observing the laws on the books is both crazy and wrong.

If Trump didn't actually violate the tax code - like, say, Jackson, Mavroules, Rangel, Traficant, Tucker, etc. - there's nothing to report.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with being bigly rich or taking bigly losses. Laws followed, story is a red herring, get the law changed if you don't like the outcomes that observing it brings. That's the conversation that would move the ball.

Posted by: The Outlaw at March 15, 2017 09:54 AM (wx6iv)

119 That Chris Hayes fellow is sure the bee's knees, eh?

Posted by: Muldoon at March 15, 2017 09:54 AM (wPiJc)

120 Alternative Minimum Tax

Alternative Facts

Posted by: Roy at March 15, 2017 09:54 AM (VndSC)

121 111 So like, what .... 35 seconds?
Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 15, 2017 09:46 AM (qoAfa)

It was a short trip.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 09:53 AM (0mRoj)

And it was an improvement

Posted by: josephistan at March 15, 2017 09:55 AM (7HtZB)

122 Fellow Mormon Romney didn't pay taxes for ten years. Or so I heard. Do I hear children? Mmmm-mmm-mm!

Posted by: Harry Reid at March 15, 2017 09:55 AM (bc2Lc)

123 She tried to tie the 2005 tax return as indicative of money he got from Russians by selling a house...in 2008.

Posted by: blaster at March 15, 2017 09:55 AM (tewYv)

124
I'm pretty sure most of the 'tards that watch MSLSD have no idea what an Oligarch is!
Posted by: Infidel


One of those creatures on Monster Island.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 15, 2017 09:56 AM (IqV8l)

125 >> I've generally erred on the side of caution rather than proclaiming
that Trump is playing N-dimensional chess with half his brain tied
behind his back, but man, it's hard not to look at this and think that
Trump wasn't running circles around everyone with this whole thing here.


Trump is a clever media guy, but this tax thing is a variation of the Obama birth certificate game pulled off by Axelrod.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 09:56 AM (NOIQH)

126 >>That Chris Hayes fellow is sure the bee's knees, eh?


More likely Crocs on his knees.

Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2017 09:56 AM (Gbk/a)

127 Too many lawyers in the MSM. Too many lawyers in our corrupted and failed institutions. Time for the good lawyers to clean house of their own guild. Just Sayin....

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 15, 2017 09:56 AM (2qHjF)

128
Geraldo: That Madcow made a real fool of himself with that nothingburger "big reveal"

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2017 09:57 AM (493sH)

129 MSNBC's sister network, CNBC,

Diabolical clone <> sister.

Posted by: DaveA at March 15, 2017 09:57 AM (FhXTo)

130 Wasn't it Owen Wilson in "Me & Dupree" who was throwing 50 shades of grey or something like that?

Or no, wait, "seven kinds of smoke".

That's it.

Posted by: Muldoon at March 15, 2017 09:57 AM (wPiJc)

131 Just sent my check to Texas for $1200.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 09:57 AM (/tuJf)

132 THIS IS HIS WIFE. HE HAD A HEART ATTACK BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU SAID AT @101. WE ARE CALLING THE FBI AS SOON AS WE GET TO THE HOSPITAL.

Posted by: Kurt Eichenwald at March 15, 2017 09:57 AM (PXbkt)

133 I think they should all go out to Cali and wait for the water to go down so they can be the NEW 49'ers.

Posted by: Infidel at March 15, 2017 09:58 AM (uKRys)

134 Posted by: illiniwek at March 15, 2017 09:51 AM (BrMft)

Thanks for tieing together those points.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 15, 2017 09:58 AM (GX63o)

135 132 THIS IS HIS WIFE. HE HAD A HEART ATTACK BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU SAID AT @101. WE ARE CALLING THE FBI AS SOON AS WE GET TO THE HOSPITAL.

Yeah, how is that roundup of perps going anyway?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 15, 2017 09:58 AM (ul9CR)

136 131 Just sent my check to Texas for $1200.
Posted by: JackStraw

what are you going to do this afternoon?

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 15, 2017 09:58 AM (FZYNt)

137 What a guy with a lot of real estate claims as income in a single year has low correlation to net worth

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 09:59 AM (mBse+)

138 123 She tried to tie the 2005 tax return as indicative of money he got from Russians by selling a house...in 2008.

Posted by: blaster at March 15, 2017 09:55 AM (tewYv)


Pfffttttt..... time line? Who cares.

Posted by: This is CNN at March 15, 2017 09:59 AM (qoAfa)

139 Sooooo....Trump paid more in personal income taxes in '05 than GE did a couple years ago in corporate income taxes...

I fail to see the problem.

Posted by: Harry Seldon, Psychohistorian at March 15, 2017 09:59 AM (HebZm)

140 Geraldo: That Madcow made a real fool of himself with that nothingburger "big reveal"

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2017 09:57 AM (493sH)

You know you're hopelessly stupid if even Jerry Rivers is looking down on you.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at March 15, 2017 10:00 AM (ZM2xo)

141 >>what are you going to do this afternoon?

Get more checks.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 10:00 AM (/tuJf)

142 I'd like to know how I can get to the 13% tax rate Bernie pays. I make a heck of a lot less and pay a heck of a lot more - percentage wise. I'm sure the only way I could do it is pop out 9 kids to 8 different baby daddies.

Posted by: PAgirlinNC at March 15, 2017 10:00 AM (/5WQL)

143 Had a Science Lover tell me that Record production is going to come to halt soon due to Peak Oil, this morning.


Serious you guys. Peak Oil!


Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2017 10:00 AM (Gbk/a)

144 Wow, just wow. The press is SUPER stretching.

I was just reading an article I googled up to confirm the date of the house sale, and the press is trying to tie Trump to that guy. Here is a paragraph from the article:

The latest juxtaposition of Trump's and Rybolovlev's aircrafts occurred last month, the weekend of Feb. 10-12, when the oligarch's plane landed at Miami International Airport while Trump was at Mar-a-Lago entertaining Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.

If by juxtaposed you mean over 60 miles apart!

Posted by: blaster at March 15, 2017 10:00 AM (tewYv)

145 I want Bernie Sanders' accountant to do my taxes. 13%? Nice.

Posted by: Mike at March 15, 2017 10:00 AM (jFniP)

146 If he leaked them himself. trumpian troll level = grandmaster.


Posted by: Fox at March 15, 2017 09:50 AM (DVC2D)




The office mewling quims all seem to think that Trump did this. But they don't think it was a grandmaster troll move. It a was stupid move just so he could tweet about it.
I'm finally beginning to understand the beta male. Any sign of testosterone so frightens and intimidates them and shows them to be girly men they have to lash out at it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2017 10:01 AM (493sH)

147 141 >>what are you going to do this afternoon?

Get more checks.
Posted by: JackStraw

better get some lubricant too, or else you will take the finish off

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 15, 2017 10:01 AM (FZYNt)

148 His tax return is tied to a property he sold the Russians 3 years later and the Russians knew Trump would be elected President one day, and, and, and, and....HILLARY is PRESIDENT!

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 15, 2017 10:01 AM (ul9CR)

149 Had a Science Lover tell me that Record production is going to come to halt soon due to Peak Oil, this morning.


Serious you guys. Peak Oil!


Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2017 10:00 AM (Gbk/a)


I LOVE me some Peak Oil. I remember when we had already reached Peak Oil. It was in 1999 or so. Or 2002. Or definitely in 2005!

Posted by: blaster at March 15, 2017 10:01 AM (tewYv)

150 Serious you guys. Peak Oil!




Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2017 10:00 AM (Gbk/a)

Weren't we supposed to be at Peak Oil sometime in the '80's?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at March 15, 2017 10:02 AM (ZM2xo)

151 Who will be the first yapping dog to call Trump a buffoon for overpaying his taxes when he could have done a better job at cheating the rate?

Posted by: Fritz at March 15, 2017 10:02 AM (2Mnv1)

152 I don;t know what to think of all this without knowing Chelsea Clinton's hot take.

Maybe I should eat some ugly spinach pancakes while I wait for her keen analysis and sick burn?!?!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 10:02 AM (NOIQH)

153 What will stick with the LIV crowd is, Trump paid millions in taxes. Period.

Posted by: JuJuBee at March 15, 2017 10:03 AM (dargh)

154 So this first amendment right to do illegal things because it's "right" carries over to the 2nd too, right?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 15, 2017 10:03 AM (/f1mm)

155 143 Had a Science Lover tell me that Record production is going to come to halt soon due to Peak Oil, this morning.


Serious you guys. Peak Oil!


Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2017 10:00 AM (Gbk/a)

==============

That's still a thing?

Did you mention shale production, which almost not country but America has taken advantage of? Or the Alaska discovery?

What's next? Peak coal?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 10:03 AM (GrpW6)

156 TRump's plane and Rubolovlev plane were in the same hemisphere ! can't you see the connection !!

-stupid media clowns

Posted by: runner at March 15, 2017 10:03 AM (tVCWm)

157 >>I LOVE me some Peak Oil. I remember when we had already reached Peak Oil. It was in 1999 or so. Or 2002. Or definitely in 2005!


I told him the real, silent menace was the Easter Bunny

- 'That's no Ordinary Rabbit!'.

But first, I took his money.

Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2017 10:03 AM (Gbk/a)

158 President Trump and a Pulitzer winner engage in a Twitter war over tax returns
----------------------------------------------------------------
Gee, Pulitzer winner. Can't argue with one of them.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 15, 2017 09:40 AM (IqV8l)

A friend of mine who I've known since middle school is one of the senior editors at the Indianapolis Star. The headline sounds like something he'd do. He's a good guy but hopelessly liberal. He's also one of my few liberal friends who remained friends when they discovered I was no longer a liberal.

Posted by: troyriser at March 15, 2017 10:04 AM (Fw5cQ)

159 Serious you guys. Peak Oil!

Isn't he Olive Oyl's pervy cousin?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 15, 2017 10:04 AM (X6fMO)

160 I don;t know what to think of all this without knowing Chelsea Clinton's hot take.

Chelsea is going to trot out a tweet later

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 15, 2017 10:04 AM (FZYNt)

161 If by juxtaposed you mean over 60 miles apart!
Posted by: blaster at March 15, 2017 10:00 AM (tewYv)

Don't be pulling no so-called physics.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 15, 2017 10:04 AM (GX63o)

162 149
I LOVE me some Peak Oil. I remember when we had already reached Peak Oil. It was in 1999 or so. Or 2002. Or definitely in 2005!

Posted by: blaster at March 15, 2017 10:01 AM (tewYv)

===============

I thought we reached it in the 70s.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 10:04 AM (GrpW6)

163 My God, it's full of Twitter...

Indeed, the fail is strong with this stunt. The Donald just defused the entire tax issue (and I am convinced that his people orchestrated this. I can just see Bannon stuffing a copy of the return in Madcow's mailbox while giggling furiously.)

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 15, 2017 10:04 AM (RD7QR)

164 151 Who will be the first yapping dog to call Trump a buffoon for overpaying his taxes when he could have done a better job at cheating the rate?


They already are. They're now going after him for saying "That makes me smart" when Hillary said he paid no income taxes in that debate.

ZOMG Trump said he didn't pay taxes and he paid millions.

Yeah, Lefties. Go with that.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 15, 2017 10:04 AM (ul9CR)

165 it said "client copy"

Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 15, 2017 10:04 AM (0O7c5)

166 154 So this first amendment right to do illegal things because it's "right" carries over to the 2nd too, right?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 15, 2017 10:03 AM (/f1mm)

=================

"Nope. But to violating the 4th? You betcha."
-Federal government

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 10:05 AM (GrpW6)

167 I think all this fapping just broke my dick.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 15, 2017 10:05 AM (sozj4)

168 I saw Peak Oil 1989 open for Van Halen on the OU812 Tour back in 1991!

Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2017 10:05 AM (Gbk/a)

169 Peak Oil is having another reunion tour?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 15, 2017 10:05 AM (/f1mm)

170 Legendary clownshow.

Posted by: Me at March 15, 2017 10:05 AM (RYASC)

171 Ok, we are over 100. I need a good Irish Soda Bread recipe.

Posted by: Infidel at March 15, 2017 10:05 AM (uKRys)

172 Every single damn one of those journos in the post have a face VERY suitable for punching. Especially Eichenwald and Wilson.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 10:06 AM (2x9LM)

173 At least Maddow made herself a "Useful Idiot" for at least one night.

If this was in fact a Smoove Moove by Trump to play MSNBC for a chump, this would be as cool as Sheriff Andy getting laid by Helen Crump.

Posted by: CoolHandLuke at March 15, 2017 10:06 AM (ZeVko)

174 Last night Rachel showed a picture of the oligarch's plane and Trump's "on the same Tarmac." She actually used the word tarmac

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 10:06 AM (mBse+)

175 >>Ok, we are over 100. I need a good Irish Soda Bread recipe.


You need:
Whiskey
Loaf of Bread
Sidecar of Soda.

Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2017 10:06 AM (Gbk/a)

176 PDT meeting with car company bigwigs in Detroit today, then speaking at a rally in Nashville this evening.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 15, 2017 10:07 AM (ul9CR)

177 171 Ok, we are over 100. I need a good Irish Soda Bread recipe.

Posted by: Infidel at March 15, 2017 10:05 AM (uKRys)

Slice of bread, a Sprite, and a potato. Duh.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 15, 2017 10:07 AM (/f1mm)

178 So they peddled lies all these months, including their god queen who is now at this very moment day-drinking, but suddenly it's not important?

By the way. This presumes most people have a shit in the first place. They didn't. That's why we have President Trump

Posted by: Marcus T at March 15, 2017 10:08 AM (sozj4)

179 Interpret this bit from the Dutch election:

1.30pm update: Europe Elects tweeted: "Turnout today to surpass 80%, maybe even 85% (2012: 74.6%). Media reports some station have run out of ballots."

----

I'm going with: More people living in the Netherlands feel that their country is being taken away from them, so they're going to vote. Most of those new voters are going to vote for Wilders.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 10:08 AM (GrpW6)

180 Moron Robbie is right. I forgot the Potato.

Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2017 10:08 AM (Gbk/a)

181 Oh crap. We can still make jokes about the Irish, right?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 15, 2017 10:08 AM (/f1mm)

182 Every single damn one of those journos in the post have a face VERY suitable for punching. Especially Eichenwald and Wilson.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 10:06 AM (2x9LM)


Even more punchable than me?

Awww......

Posted by: Egg McMuffin at March 15, 2017 10:09 AM (qoAfa)

183 En fuega!

Posted by: That 'Woke' Guy who shouts "En fuega!" instead of "En fuego!" at March 15, 2017 10:09 AM (DMUuz)

184 We used this one once:

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/16947/amazingly-easy-irish-soda-bread/

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 15, 2017 10:09 AM (ul9CR)

185 Snoop dog should have made the clown in his video Rachel Maddow

Posted by: Marcus T at March 15, 2017 10:09 AM (sozj4)

186 Serious you guys. Peak Oil!







Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2017 10:00 AM (Gbk/a)

Peak Oil? We got there in 1976! HAHAHAHAHA!!! Trump's taxes. We got 'em. OMG he paid a metric shit ton! HAHAHAHAHAHA! That Maddow fellow, he sure is persistent, I like the cut of his jib! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
#winning never gets old.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at March 15, 2017 10:09 AM (7N6ox)

187 This is the Leftist/Feminist/Statist line of thinking: this is written in stone so all caps because it will always be true... WE HAVE TO BREAK THE LAW IN ORDER TO MANUFACTURE EVIDENCE OF OUR EMEMIES/TARGETS BREAKING THE LAW SO WE CAN PUNISH THEM WITH THE LAW.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 15, 2017 10:09 AM (2qHjF)

188 Thanks guys! Heading for the kitchen for those.

Posted by: Infidel at March 15, 2017 10:10 AM (uKRys)

189 180 Moron Robbie is right. I forgot the Potato.
Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2017 10:08 AM (Gbk/a)

================

That's cultural appropriation from the Native Americans by the Irish, that is.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 10:10 AM (GrpW6)

190 Indeed, the fail is strong with this stunt. The Donald just defused the entire tax issue (and I am convinced that his people orchestrated this. I can just see Bannon stuffing a copy of the return in Madcow's mailbox while giggling furiously.)

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 15, 2017 10:04 AM (RD7QR)

Indeed. But now they're "release his 2016 returns then!"

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 10:10 AM (2x9LM)

191 Put this in the dust bin next to global warming and Elvis sightings.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 15, 2017 10:10 AM (sozj4)

192 187 This is the Leftist/Feminist/Statist line of thinking: this is written in stone so all caps because it will always be true... WE HAVE TO BREAK THE LAW IN ORDER TO MANUFACTURE EVIDENCE OF OUR EMEMIES/TARGETS BREAKING THE LAW SO WE CAN PUNISH THEM WITH THE LAW.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 15, 2017 10:09 AM (2qHjF)

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WE HAVE SO MUCH EVIDENCE OF WRONGDOING THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SHIT UP! LIKE HATE CRIMES!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 10:10 AM (GrpW6)

193 When I saw "Schedule D" I mistakenly thought they had also uncovered Obama's transcripts.

Posted by: Muldoon at March 15, 2017 10:10 AM (wPiJc)

194 These are from 2005 but as no records are available, let's go with Trump's self proclaimed net worth of $10 Billion. $150M is 1.5% of $10B. Not a great return for such a capital base. T notes would have been better. So either DJT has much less net worth (Forbes called about $3B which would bring the net to about 5%) or the projects are marginal if not money losers at best. (Yes I know he can bury income like charging his companies for his jets etc, but it's still pretty poor returns) The S&P in 2005 was up 9.5% and Real estate investment trusts brought double digit returns.

So much for the genius businessman.

Posted by: DirtyJobsGuy at March 15, 2017 10:11 AM (YZbBp)

195 ZOMG Trump said he didn't pay taxes and he paid millions.

Yeah, Lefties. Go with that.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 15, 2017 10:04 AM (ul9CR)

lol

So much for that "no evidence of wiretapping" drum circle they were running.

They have such short attention spans.

Advantage? Trump.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 15, 2017 10:11 AM (GX63o)

196 Bigger Story is that the are going to reboot the Matrix,


*announcer's voice*

*dark screen*

In a world where Neo is not the One...

We thought he was the One...but, he's not.

Sorry.

But into that world where Neo is not the One comes the New One!

Leslie Jones IS-

Neonetta Jones!!!

in

"M4Y TRiCKZ"


Coming this Fall!

Posted by: naturalfake at March 15, 2017 10:11 AM (9q7Dl)

197 A pedantic point, but $150 million in income off $10 billion in assets isn't unbelievable at all, if the bulk of those assets are in the form of large real estate holdings which essentially pay for themselves but don't turn a huge day to day profit.

The Wealthy hold on to these things (large tracts of raw land being the most convenient example) in hopes of future appreciation, not current income. This has always been one of the prime ways for wealthy families in the US to shelter assets, going back to the Vanderbilts in the 1800's.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 15, 2017 10:11 AM (V2Yro)

198 181 Oh crap. We can still make jokes about the Irish, right?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 15, 2017 10:08 AM (/f1mm)

As long as they aren't Jewish. Paddy O'Goldstein is off limits.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 10:12 AM (0mRoj)

199 >>>Had a Science Lover tell me that Record production is going to come to halt soon due to Peak Oil, this morning.





Serious you guys. Peak Oil!

.
.
.That drum should have been worn out now for all the beating it received. They have been playing that crap hard and heavy since the 1970s.

Matt Savinar made $$$ from that in the last few decades, now he is telling fortunes and practicing astrology somewhere in Central America.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 15, 2017 10:12 AM (le7jz)

200 I remember reading in Reader's Digest in the late 70s something about Shale Oil. At the time, we were supposed to be running out of oil in the mid-80s. I remember reading this, it might have been in one of those supplements that Shell Oil put in Reader's Digest, that the US had more oil in shale than Saudi Arabia had in the ground, it was just going to be available when oil hit $85/bbl to make it profitable.

That's pretty spot on.

And we knew it 40 years ago.

Posted by: blaster at March 15, 2017 10:13 AM (tewYv)

201 Regardless of my opinion of Trump, I do love what he has done and is doing to these media halfwits.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at March 15, 2017 10:13 AM (NgMqF)

202 Own goal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v6_oXtwAYE

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 10:13 AM (/tuJf)

203 Even the squawking gigantic socialist emu Sally Kohn had to admit this was a "nothingburger:"

My "dream cable news network" would have a show co-hosted by Rachel Maddow and Sally Kohn, immediately followed by Tucker Carlson.

The point of the first show would be to get the viewers to tell which one was Rachel and which one was Sally.

Posted by: jwb7605 at March 15, 2017 10:13 AM (DofIg)

204 197 A pedantic point, but $150 million in income off $10 billion in assets isn't unbelievable at all, if the bulk of those assets are in the form of large real estate holdings which essentially pay for themselves but don't turn a huge day to day profit.

The Wealthy hold on to these things (large tracts of raw land being the most convenient example) in hopes of future appreciation, not current income. This has always been one of the prime ways for wealthy families in the US to shelter assets, going back to the Vanderbilts in the 1800's.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 15, 2017 10:11 AM (V2Yro)

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It's also how the middle class accrue equity: through ownership of real estate (usually a house).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 10:13 AM (GrpW6)

205 Peak oil? So 20th century.

Posted by: JEM at March 15, 2017 10:13 AM (TppKb)

206 So much for the genius businessman.
Posted by: DirtyJobsGuy at March 15, 2017 10:11 AM (YZbBp)

Yeah, go with that.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 15, 2017 10:13 AM (GX63o)

207 WhatWhatWhat, thank you. Put a pot roast in the crockpot about 4:30 this am. This will be perfect.

Posted by: Infidel at March 15, 2017 10:13 AM (uKRys)

208 >>>>Interpret this bit from the Dutch election:



1.30pm update: Europe Elects tweeted: "Turnout today to surpass 80%,
maybe even 85% (2012: 74.6%). Media reports some station have run out
of ballots."



----



I'm going with: More people living in the Netherlands feel that
their country is being taken away from them, so they're going to vote.
Most of those new voters are going to vote for Wilders.
.
.
.After Brexit and Trump I would put my money on that assumption myself.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 15, 2017 10:13 AM (le7jz)

209 I'm going with: More people living in the Netherlands feel that their country is being taken away from them, so they're going to vote. Most of those new voters are going to vote for Wilders.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison†


That ain't a vote for statist quo, that's for sure.

That's silent majority, pissed off from being pissed on.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 15, 2017 10:14 AM (ZFUt7)

210 If Rachel's guy said he got the 1040 from a known insider and published it, that'd be a felony. So they needed the cutout to have some legal excuse.

But that means they developed and ran story that could have been a total fabrication. How hard is to create two fake pages of a 1040

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 10:14 AM (mBse+)

211 >>We used this one once:

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/16947/amazingly-easy-irish-soda-bread/


This one is ever easier - 4 ingredients!

http://www.finecooking.com/recipes/irish-soda-bread.aspx

Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 10:14 AM (NOIQH)

212 So, according to ferret face Madcow, President Trump wouldn't have a dime if he wasn't on the payroll of Russian oligarchs. And Putin, but I repeat myself.
I s'pose it would be too much to ask of her for an investigation into the tax percentage paid by the Democrats' financial backers.

Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at March 15, 2017 10:14 AM (uh+QI)

213 Can we go after people in the media who take out tax deductions on their houses and student loan payments?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 09:50 AM (GrpW6)

Tangent because that issue riles me up.

The cute thing about student loan interest deduction is it phases out at a very middle class number. I believe it's like $80k.

One would think that, if you're going to take out 6-figures worth of loans, you'd expect to be making that during the repayment period. $30-40k at 4% is like $200 bucks a month, cost of a daily latte or monthly parking in an affordable city. The kind of debt that's lifestyle-changing, reaching levels that matches housing costs, justifying some kind of tax break, should be for a graduate/professional degree or something complex that's highly marketable so you can service the debt effectively and in the long run come out ahead.

That's not the approach though. With the state of play - fast and easy and unlimited loan money, political pressure for education, untouchable college staffs, shift to relativism, shift away from objectively-gradeable subjects, and an ultra-fast-rising cost of education - I submit that this deduction is essentially ANOTHER subsidy to make it easier to study crap, remain a longterm dependent child, and participate in the greatest progressive indoctrination machine in western history. Get 'em in, flip their minds, and then keep 'em in your pocket with the debt, trickling little benefits to tug at those greedy heartstrings interacting with the debt.

Posted by: Cost of Degree Sold at March 15, 2017 10:14 AM (wx6iv)

214 208

I'm going with: More people living in the Netherlands feel that
their country is being taken away from them, so they're going to vote.
Most of those new voters are going to vote for Wilders.
.
.
.After Brexit and Trump I would put my money on that assumption myself.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 15, 2017 10:13 AM (le7jz)

===============

I should clarify: Not for Wilders himself, but for his party.

I know how parliamentary systems work.

I swear...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 10:14 AM (GrpW6)

215 213 That's not the approach though. With the state of play - fast and easy and unlimited loan money, political pressure for education, untouchable college staffs, shift to relativism, shift away from objectively-gradeable subjects, and an ultra-fast-rising cost of education - I submit that this deduction is essentially ANOTHER subsidy to make it easier to study crap, remain a longterm dependent child, and participate in the greatest progressive indoctrination machine in western history. Get 'em in, flip their minds, and then keep 'em in your pocket with the debt, trickling little benefits to tug at those greedy heartstrings interacting with the debt.
Posted by: Cost of Degree Sold at March 15, 2017 10:14 AM (wx6iv)

=================

I will agree with you whole-heartedly as soon as I'm done paying off my own student loans.

It's the American way.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 10:15 AM (GrpW6)

216 it was just going to be available when oil hit $85/bbl to make it profitable.

Except now it's $60 which is pretty much a hard ceiling on oil prices so far as i can tell.

Posted by: JEM at March 15, 2017 10:16 AM (TppKb)

217 I thought we reached it in the 70s.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 10:04 AM (GrpW6)

Wasn't the 70's Nuclear Winter and Acid Rain, too? 80's was Ozone Layer & Amazon Deforestation, then we got 90's Global Warming morphing into 21st century Climate Change. Hard to keep track of all the ways we've already destroyed the earth, and when they happened.

Posted by: JuJuBee at March 15, 2017 10:16 AM (dargh)

218 Allahu Trumpbar!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dstGdAHGL30

Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2017 10:16 AM (/tuJf)

219 194
These are from 2005 but as no records are available, let's go with
Trump's self proclaimed net worth of $10 Billion. $150M is 1.5% of
$10B. Not a great return for such a capital base. T notes would
have been better. So either DJT has much less net worth (Forbes called
about $3B which would bring the net to about 5%) or the projects are
marginal if not money losers at best. (Yes I know he can bury income
like charging his companies for his jets etc, but it's still pretty poor
returns) The SP in 2005 was up 9.5% and Real estate investment
trusts brought double digit returns.



So much for the genius businessman.

Posted by: DirtyJobsGuy at March 15, 2017 10:11 AM (YZbBp)

This is why you failed economics.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at March 15, 2017 10:16 AM (7N6ox)

220 Trump remains the Roadrunner to the Madcow and the other Wiley E. Coyotes.

Trump needs to drop the idea of replacing Obamacare now. Repeal it now and then move later to tweak the healthcare system. At present the Republicans fingerprints are not on the disaster that is Obamacare. However, the leftists are already referring to Ryan's bill as Trumpcare.

Posted by: Locke Common at March 15, 2017 10:16 AM (5Fa12)

221 217 I thought we reached it in the 70s.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 10:04 AM (GrpW6)

Wasn't the 70's Nuclear Winter and Acid Rain, too? 80's was Ozone Layer & Amazon Deforestation, then we got 90's Global Warming morphing into 21st century Climate Change. Hard to keep track of all the ways we've already destroyed the earth, and when they happened.
Posted by: JuJuBee at March 15, 2017 10:16 AM (dargh)

==================

70s was Soylent Green and overpopulation too.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 10:16 AM (GrpW6)

222 So much for the genius businessman.
Posted by: DirtyJobsGuy at March 15, 2017 10:11 AM (YZbBp)


As Grandfather Poppins was wont to say, "if you're so smart, why aren't you rich?"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 15, 2017 10:16 AM (X6fMO)

223 There's no way in hell that the various and sundry people referring to the so called Alternative Minimum Tax do not have personal experience with it. What it does show is that they just sign what their accountants and tax lawyers shove at them. They better be careful about that.

My personal AMT story: Many years ago, I received a large bonus and then an even larger raise. I did some quick back of the envelope calculations and went to the bookkeeper and told her to hold off on my raise for one pay cycle. This was a significant amount of money and she asked why and I told her that if she did that, I would be $600 over into the AMT and that $600 would cost me in excess of $5,000.

I know other people who had a very rude awakening indeed that the raise they got ended up costing them more in the end due to the AMT. This is not some obscure issue.

A note on the raise: It was very significant indeed and you know what that told me? No, not that the firm wanted to keep me that badly but that I was an utter fool who didn't stand up for herself and demand to be paid her worth all those years before. So, yeah, don't even try to tell me the patriarchy kept me down. I didn't stand up for me and that was 100% on me.

Posted by: alexthechick - Parallama platoon ahoy! at March 15, 2017 10:17 AM (mf5HN)

224 MATRESSES IN THE TRUMP HOTELS, MISSING THE 'REMOVE UNDER PENALTY OF LAW' TAGS!!!!! Tonight, on 'Rachel Maddow Wastes Your Time!!!!'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 10:17 AM (oVJmc)

225 Funniest post I've read in a good long while. Thanks Ace.

Posted by: kraken at March 15, 2017 10:17 AM (zSVEm)

226 That ain't a vote for statist quo, that's for sure.


*****


Statist quo. Heh.

I may have to borrow that.

Posted by: Muldoon at March 15, 2017 10:17 AM (wPiJc)

227 I am watching Prime Minister Questions on SKY (Roku).

fascinating

Posted by: Skunky Choom at March 15, 2017 10:17 AM (u/p7K)

228 My only experiences with irish soda bread have left me relieved I left with my teeth.

Buy french bread, Jameson, and seltzer

Posted by: JEM at March 15, 2017 10:17 AM (TppKb)

229 I'm surprised they didn't claim Trump paid that $38M in rubles.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 10:18 AM (oVJmc)

230 Oh shit y'all.


Impeach the bastards.


"Reminder: Mike Pence Voted Against Recognizing Pi Day"

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 10:18 AM (2x9LM)

231 The S&P in 2005 was up 9.5% and Real estate investment trusts brought double digit returns.

So much for the genius businessman.

Posted by: DirtyJobsGuy at March 15, 2017 10:11 AM (YZbBp)

So you're saying Trump is a mediocre but philanthropic-minded businessman for risking his fortune employing tens of thousands of people (if not more) instead of just putting it in the S&P and being a massively wealthy non-working playboy?

I've never thought about it that way before. That's a really good point.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 15, 2017 10:18 AM (/f1mm)

232 I'm sure someone has said already but Warren Buffet is a liberal hero because he says he pays less tax than his secretary.

Trump paid the taxes he owed based on the tax code! How dare he!!!

These people are insane.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 15, 2017 10:18 AM (TpMXn)

233 I met Loretta Lynch on the tarmac. Coincidence. Now off to Pedophile Isle!

Posted by: Bill in Chappaqua at March 15, 2017 10:18 AM (bc2Lc)

234 230 Oh shit y'all.


Impeach the bastards.


"Reminder: Mike Pence Voted Against Recognizing Pi Day"
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 10:18 AM (2x9LM)

===================

A Republican voted against having the federal government recognize a meaningless holiday?

Well, that's high crimes and misdemeanors if I ever heard it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 10:19 AM (GrpW6)

235 That ain't a vote for statist quo, that's for sure.

That's silent majority, pissed off from being pissed on.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 15, 2017 10:14 AM (ZFUt7)

And Wilders party was trailing in the polls...sound familiar?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at March 15, 2017 10:19 AM (ZM2xo)

236 I haven't worked out the math, but I'm going to guess that a guy with $10 billion in total assets should be pulling in more than $150 million a year.
________________

Not necessarily. Depends on how many of the assets are income-producing. Assets like real estate, art, gold, stocks, etc., can be worth millions or billions, but they may not produce income. Stocks that don't pay dividends, for example, often go up substantially in value year over year, but you don't pay any taxes on them until you sell the stocks and realize the gain.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 15, 2017 10:19 AM (riF5p)

237 Sliding into 1970's USSR but with better technology.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 15, 2017 10:19 AM (2qHjF)

238 I have various types of real estate that produces income. The differences in rate of return of each type is huge and varies from year to year. Comments from these ignoramuses is sour grapes, jealousy, and pig $(*# dumb. It varies enormously with the general overall shape the national and local economy (and weather with farm land). I understand if "journalists" have no experience with real estate but their laziness in asking anyone who does for a lesson or some information is just verification of how stupid and biased they are.

Posted by: Lester at March 15, 2017 10:19 AM (8USec)

239 Oh crap. We can still make jokes about the Irish, right?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 15, 2017 10:08 AM (/f1mm)


lemme see ...


Mike O'Connor arrives at airport, wanders about terminal, crying. Somone
asks him if he is homesick. "No", Irishman replies, "It's worse, I've
lost all me luggage". "That's terrible, how did it happen ? " "The cork
fell out of me bottle".

(you can blacklist me now)

Posted by: runner at March 15, 2017 10:20 AM (tVCWm)

240 @163 - I can't imagine Bannon stuffing anything into Maddow's box....ever.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 15, 2017 10:20 AM (vg8iE)

241 So much for the genius businessman.

Posted by: DirtyJobsGuy at March 15, 2017 10:11 AM (YZbBp)

Not a huge Trump fan but credit where it's due, the guy knows how to make money. If nothing else, he is a genius businessman.

Did appreciate your in-depth analysis of his 2005 return, though. Your portfolio critique regarding the advantages of T-bills and such-like shows you are probably a billionaire yourself, maybe even a quadrillionaire. Good on you, I say.

Posted by: troyriser at March 15, 2017 10:20 AM (Fw5cQ)

242 Interesting that Le Pen's greatest strength is coming from the young voters and she does worst with the oldest. The opposite of Trump and Brexit.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 15, 2017 10:20 AM (ul9CR)

243 A note on the raise: It was very significant indeed and you know what that told me? No, not that the firm wanted to keep me that badly but that I was an utter fool who didn't stand up for herself and demand to be paid her worth all those years before. So, yeah, don't even try to tell me the patriarchy kept me down. I didn't stand up for me and that was 100% on me.

Posted by: alexthechick - Parallama platoon ahoy! at March 15, 2017 10:17 AM (mf5HN)



There really is an "aha" moment in many people's lives where you realize that heck and darnit, you ARE a damned asset to the company (or whatever your workplace calls itself), and that stuff they throw at you every other week is NOT a gift!

You earn it.

And once you realize that, this type of discussion tends to go very differently.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 15, 2017 10:20 AM (TOk1P)

244 Posted by: DirtyJobsGuy at March 15, 2017 10:11 AM (YZbBp)

Trump is just a regular billionaire and not a huge billionaire. What a business failure!!!!

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 15, 2017 10:21 AM (TpMXn)

245 Has anyone ever mentioned that the Pixy Hamsters suck big time?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 15, 2017 10:21 AM (DMUuz)

246 >>>>The SP in 2005 was up 9.5% and Real estate investment trusts brought double digit returns.



So much for the genius businessman.



Posted by: DirtyJobsGuy at March 15, 2017 10:11 AM (YZbBp)
.
.
.So the argument has gone from Trump didn't pay any taxes in decades to, Trump isn't managing his money correctly.

Talk about motorizing the goal posts.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 15, 2017 10:21 AM (le7jz)

247 245 Has anyone ever mentioned that the Pixy Hamsters suck big time?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 15, 2017 10:21 AM (DMUuz)

================

Is insulting the hamster a Barrel offense?

I need a ruling.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 10:22 AM (GrpW6)

248
Ok, we are over 100. I need a good Irish Soda Bread recipe.
Posted by: Infidel at March 15, 2017 10:05 AM


http:// tinyurl.com/ j7b698h

http:// tinyurl.com/ h3zpml5

http:// tinyurl.com/ hqsj3zx

(If any of these don't work, it's because the Pixy Hamsters(tm) made me manually retype them. Also, remove the spaces after the forward slashes, because Pixy.)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 15, 2017 10:22 AM (DMUuz)

249 Ah, yes, the legendary "Bukkake Circle-Jerk of Commie-Lib Stupidity", led by none other than MSNBC.

If only OberDoucheFuhrer Keith had been leading the charge rather than MadCow. That would have been PPV-worthy.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 15, 2017 10:22 AM (XDEFW)

250 Except now it's $60 which is pretty much a hard ceiling on oil prices so far as i can tell.

Posted by: JEM at March 15, 2017 10:16 AM (TppKb)


I don't really believe in "hard ceilings" especially when I remember $150/bbl oil.

But the point of the shale at $85/bbl to be profitable is that the amount of oil we have is dependent on the price of oil.

The way we measure the amount of oil we have depends on the price. There is less oil at $10/bbl than there is at $100/bbl. Because it is a measure of "economically recoverable."

Shale started coming on line when prices were close to $90/bbl because it made economic sense. Then with research going into it and sunk costs already sunk, it is profitable at lower rates. I think the number right now for shale is about $40/bbl

Posted by: blaster at March 15, 2017 10:23 AM (tewYv)

251 Most of those journos probably don't make enough to be hit with the AMT. I imagine the rest of them just sign where they are told because any explanation of what they owe would go right over their head.

Posted by: Teri at March 15, 2017 10:23 AM (YcsJS)

252 Talk about motorizing the goal posts.

Yep.

As Ace said above: "It's not important this thing we claimed has now been proven false, we should look at this other thing!"

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 15, 2017 10:23 AM (ul9CR)

253 And anyway further, we all know what the media was looking for here:
Proof that Trump paid no taxes, or took a deduction for $17 million for
"Kompromat payoffs to Vlad" and "Business Entertainment Expenses for
Business Entertainment Hookers With Really Big Tits and Really Small
Bladders."

===

and we would have HAD it too, if it weren't for you MEDDLING KIDS

Posted by: old man Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 10:23 AM (Q5kE6)

254 And Wilders party was trailing in the polls...sound familiar?Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at March 15, 2017 10:19 AM (ZM2xo)


Absolutely. You label people as zenographic racists, then ask them who they're going to vote for.

Then acted bewildered by election results.

Lather, rinse, repeat all across Europe, hopefully.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 15, 2017 10:23 AM (ZFUt7)

255 I suppose I could check out what " pi Day" is about. Then again, I suspect that knowing what it is would not enrich me, so I will assume it's some decadent Nonsense.

Posted by: kraken at March 15, 2017 10:23 AM (zSVEm)

256 @242 - Which bodes well for the future of France, I hope.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 15, 2017 10:24 AM (vg8iE)

257 Oh crap. We can still make jokes about the Irish, right?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 15, 2017 10:08 AM (/f1mm)


Seamus runs into a bar and tells the bartender, "Quick, man, set up two big whiskeys! There's going to be a hell of a fight!"

The bartender pours and Seamus throws both drinks down his throat.

The bartender looks to the door, but nothing happens. Finally, he asks Seamus, "So when is the big fight?"

"Oh, right now,"
says Seamus. "I haven't got a cent on me."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 15, 2017 10:24 AM (X6fMO)

258 Ace, I laughed so hard reading your post, thankfully no one else is in the office yet....

Posted by: IC at March 15, 2017 10:24 AM (a0IVu)

259 If only OberDoucheFuhrer Keith had been leading the charge rather than MadCow. That would have been PPV-worthy.

Posted by: Sharkman
===

Was Bathtub Boy Tweeting last night?

What about Glen Beck?

Posted by: old man Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 10:25 AM (Q5kE6)

260 I haven't worked out the math, but I'm going to guess that a guy with $10 billion in total assets should be pulling in more than $150 million a year.

If your real estate portfolio doubles in a year, that wouldn't count as income, would it, until you sold it? Net worth and income aren't an if/then statement.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 10:25 AM (oVJmc)

261 That ain't a vote for statist quo, that's for sure.

Finding Nether-Nether-Land - a limerick


There's socialists and communists and mo'
The Dutchies vote today and that's fo' sho'
There's quite a surge for Geert
(At least from what I've hear't)
And they're sure not voting for the statist quo.

Posted by: Muldoon at March 15, 2017 10:25 AM (wPiJc)

262 I'm really loving all the comments here tonight - good onya you witty ones !


Looking for a horror Aussie creature kills human story (none today) but I found this...


https://tinyurl.com/hwt68d6


There appears to be a sperm shortage Down Under!

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 10:25 AM (N/OEj)

263 Posted by: DirtyJobsGuy at March 15, 2017 10:11 AM (YZbBp)

I thought that was a satire post and was afraid to take it seriously lest I insult your intelligence by doing so.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 15, 2017 10:25 AM (tVWQB)

264 I can picture Rachel Madow curled up in a fetal position at the feet of Hillary Clinton with her thumb in her mouth muttering incoherently. Meanwhile across town Geraldo Rivera is giggling to himself because he can finally live down the Al Capone vault stunt.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 15, 2017 10:26 AM (jxbfJ)

265 "Serious kudos to Maddow" for dragging into the purifying light of day the American scandal that Trump makes a lot of money and pays a lot of taxes.

Don't trip over those giant clown shoes, Sally Kohn.

Douchewad.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 15, 2017 10:26 AM (JZdsf)

266 The Dutch elections haven't been decided yet, have they? Last time I looked Wilders was behind the current Prime Minister.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 15, 2017 10:26 AM (fDdVG)

267 So much for the genius businessman.

Posted by: DirtyJobsGuy at March 15, 2017 10:11 AM (YZbBp)

This is why you failed economics.


Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at March 15, 2017 10:16 AM (7N6ox)


It would seem.

Funny thing about memories. Some people forget them.

I take you back to the giddy year, 2005. What was happening then? Among other things, we were jumping feet first into an economic downturn.

Now, I don't know a damn thing about high finance, but I gotta think somebody like Trump MIGHT have what he would consider a bad year in a year that is otherwise bad. For people with money.

Snickering at $150 million earned in 2005 is one of the dumbest, pig-ignorant thing someone could do about right now. Shutting up would be a wiser move... but then, the left. So...

Posted by: BurtTC at March 15, 2017 10:27 AM (TOk1P)

268 All nasty men cheat on their women and their taxes!

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Psychotic Pea Brain at March 15, 2017 10:27 AM (57R5r)

269 I want a divorce. Fuck these people. Seriously. Small Pox blankets for all of them and their families.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 15, 2017 10:27 AM (2qHjF)

270 Stocks that don't pay dividends, for example, often go up substantially in value year over year, but you don't pay any taxes on them until you sell the stocks and realize the gain.
====

Yes - the guy who was saying that Trump would have been better off buying an Index fund doesn't seem to grasp this point. The S&P 500 may have been up 9.5% in 2005, but those stocks weren't throwing off 9.5% in income. (The dividend yield has been about 2%, according to the internet.)

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 15, 2017 10:27 AM (PXbkt)

271 Here's the progressive left vs. Donald Trump, 2017 edition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w6L93kD3xw

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 15, 2017 10:27 AM (qmspf)

272 Has anyone ever mentioned that the Pixy Hamsters suck big time?


******

Really!? Tell me more!

Posted by: Richard Gere at March 15, 2017 10:27 AM (wPiJc)

273
So much for the genius businessman.

Posted by: DirtyJobsGuy
====


You tell 'em , Lick Rilson!


How's that McMoofin campaign going? I hear he's +50 in his mom's basement.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 10:27 AM (Q5kE6)

274 When Trump was running he should have repeatedly said he is the only one in the race to repeatedly cut $15M checks for health insurance, so he knows health insurance.

Posted by: MAGA at March 15, 2017 10:28 AM (A4HOq)

275 Posted by: DirtyJobsGuy at March 15, 2017 10:11 AM (YZbBp)

I thought that was a satire post and was afraid to take it seriously lest I insult your intelligence by doing so.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 15, 2017 10:25 AM (tVWQB)


Remember all the sneering by the NeverTrumpers during the election to the effect that Trump wasn't really a successful businessman because his dad left him a shitpot of money?

It's as if the TDS sufferers expect PDT to be just as much a fumblefuck with money as they are.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 15, 2017 10:28 AM (X6fMO)

276 ACE-A-LANCHE!!!


Pants, people!

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 10:28 AM (Q5kE6)

277 Net worth and income aren't an if/then statement.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 10:25 AM


Let me be clear, and, remind you, that, when it comes to 'net worth', you didn't build that.

All your net worth are belong to us.

Posted by: B. O'Bama and Da Dems at March 15, 2017 10:29 AM (DMUuz)

278 Still steamed about Bernie Sanders only paying 13% on his taxes.

Posted by: Mike at March 15, 2017 10:29 AM (jFniP)

279 Does Chris Hayes remind anybody besides me of a pudgy Harry Potter?
Does anybody besides me think Lawrence O'Donnell is Rachel Madcow's other girlfriend?

Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at March 15, 2017 10:29 AM (uh+QI)

280 Ewww. Rodentophilic sock off.

Posted by: Muldoon at March 15, 2017 10:29 AM (wPiJc)

281 Smirking Animatronic Cashew!

Posted by: CS at March 15, 2017 10:29 AM (T79mK)

282 278
Still steamed about Bernie Sanders only paying 13% on his taxes.


Posted by: Mike at March 15, 2017 10:29 AM (jFniP)

As we all should be. But the MSM will be eerily quiet on that commies taxes.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 15, 2017 10:30 AM (jxbfJ)

283 Snickering at $150 million earned in 2005 is one
of the dumbest, pig-ignorant thing someone could do about right now.
Shutting up would be a wiser move... but then, the left. So...

Posted by: BurtTC at March 15, 2017 10:27 AM (TOk1P)

Yep it was a drive by monkey poop flinging. Too bad, the Mike Rowe sock didn't wish to stick around and define the difference between personal income and net worth.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at March 15, 2017 10:30 AM (7N6ox)

284 Kurt Eichenwald - The fact that Trump paid taxes is not whats important. His income not close to what it would be if he had the billions he claims.




The facts aren't important. What's really important is our little liberal fantasy world!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2017 10:30 AM (493sH)

285 Still steamed about Bernie Sanders only paying 13% on his taxes.

He supports the government by making others pay more.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 10:31 AM (oVJmc)

286 So much for the genius businessman.
Posted by: DirtyJobsGuy at March 15, 2017 10:11 AM (YZbBp)


Yup. Terrible businessman. Hillary went from zero to billions about then and did it by making speeches, now that is a good business model for a fantastic ROI.

Trump, hes a looser, he is incompe . . . .

$38 Million in TAXES? That is a quarter of what he made that year? I think I was making $10 an hour that year.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 15, 2017 10:32 AM (WQX/u)

287 $38 million in taxes? A mere pittance.

I make that amount in one week from Arab nations and a handful of speeches.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton, NIP (Nevertheless I Persisted) at March 15, 2017 10:32 AM (4AVeu)

288 "I haven't worked out the math..."

I may just be an unfrozen caveman, unwise in the ways of your world, but even I would've stopped right there.

Posted by: Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer at March 15, 2017 10:32 AM (ul9CR)

289 I'm young, poor, and dumb but not dumb enough to pretend I know everything about this shit.

But uh, don't the wealthy generally have their money tied up in any number of things that get taxed different ways? Not just as personal income?

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at March 15, 2017 10:32 AM (OwdyX)

290 Teh Donald needs to perfect that "Bleep-bleep" thing.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at March 15, 2017 10:33 AM (LeUrG)

291 Kurt Eichenwald - The fact that Trump paid taxes is not whats important. His income not close to what it would be if he had the billions he claims.


Before : FELON RUSSIAN AGENT!!!!

After: FIBBER!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 10:33 AM (oVJmc)

292 255 I suppose I could check out what " pi Day" is about. Then again, I suspect that knowing what it is would not enrich me, so I will assume it's some decadent Nonsense.
Posted by: kraken at March 15, 2017 10:23 AM (zSVEm)

Pi day is March 14. 3/14

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 10:33 AM (0mRoj)

293 My favorite line :

"Other people attempted to play the "It's not important this thing we claimed has now been proven false, we should look at this other thing!" card:"

Posted by: acix at March 15, 2017 10:33 AM (fsHUi)

294 Not so sure he would generate more than $150M of income on $5B. Warren Buffett is worth $30B but he collects a small salary and no dividends from Berkshire, so his income tax is almost certainly below $25M.

Posted by: bjwubbs at March 15, 2017 10:34 AM (XHmTG)

295 Kurt Eichenwald - The fact that Trump paid taxes is not whats important. His income not close to what it would be if he had the billions he claims.

The facts aren't important. What's really important is our little liberal fantasy world!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2017 10:30 AM (493sH)


Yes, to paraphrase Rush, they will tell you who they really are, if you pay any attention to them.

The Left: We feel a certain way. When your so-called facts do not support our feelings, we dismiss them, and go on feeling what we feel.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 15, 2017 10:34 AM (TOk1P)

296 292
255 I suppose I could check out what " pi Day" is about. Then again, I
suspect that knowing what it is would not enrich me, so I will assume
it's some decadent Nonsense.

Posted by: kraken at March 15, 2017 10:23 AM (zSVEm)



Pi day is March 14. 3/14

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 10:33 AM (0mRoj)

Pi Day, apparently potato chip day and let us not forget - Steak and a BJ day (since it is one month after valentines day).
Mark your calendars for next year.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 15, 2017 10:34 AM (jxbfJ)

297 By the way, there were lots of people saying donald was only worth $500M. Not even close.

Posted by: bjwubbs at March 15, 2017 10:35 AM (XHmTG)

298 The Dutch elections haven't been decided yet, have they? Last time I looked Wilders was behind the current Prime Minister.


Election is today. Wilders' Freedom Party (PVV) is behind in the polls. Even if it "wins", a winning party in the Netherlands will get 30% or less of the vote and needs to form a coalition.

None of the other reindeer are yet willing to join PVV in a coalition government.

Nonetheless, Wilders says "we will be among the winners. Everyone is talking about our issues".

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 15, 2017 10:35 AM (gIRsn)

299 Thanks Insomniac. So 2 significant days in a row.

Posted by: kraken at March 15, 2017 10:35 AM (zSVEm)

300 Wake up and head straight to Ace as I always do and this column made my day week and year. I was not a Trumper but I swear I'm almost ready to order a MAGA hat. That's how much I loathe the media now and appreciate Trump's f*ck you to them.

Posted by: dixiegal88 at March 15, 2017 10:36 AM (skqYQ)

301 For perspective, Obscenely Rich Out-Of-Touch Mitt Romney has a net worth of $250M.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 10:36 AM (oVJmc)

302 16 deg. now. No idea what overnight low was.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2017 10:36 AM (ZO497)

303 " Get 'em in, flip their minds, and then keep 'em in your pocket with the debt, trickling little benefits to tug at those greedy heartstrings interacting with the debt. Posted by: Cost of Degree Sold

right ... Hillary's private banker speeches reveal a different plan than the public one. So does the guy that planned Obamacare and laughed at how easy it is to fool the public, or the Obama spox that laughed at how easy it is to mislead reporters. Global governance and cultural Marxism is a long term project.

Besides the Soros agitprop groups, there is also the CFR which seems to be broad based but unelected people of influence that put out policy papers on things like NAFTA, and drive a globalist agenda. CFR is often laughed off as conspiracy theory, but they seem to be the most recognizable part of the "shadow government" which pushes globalism instead of Americanism (or any Western Civ policy)

they have a traceable history of leftist shadow government activity, and are behind the MSM propaganda front. They are organized against the people's choice now more than ever.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcA76lcXtwUt=830s

Posted by: illiniwek at March 15, 2017 10:37 AM (BrMft)

304 I'm young, poor, and dumb but not dumb enough to pretend I know everything about this shit.

But uh, don't the wealthy generally have their money tied up in any number of things that get taxed different ways? Not just as personal income?

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at March 15, 2017 10:32 AM (OwdyX)

Yes. Or don't get taxed at all. Like appreciation on real estate. I'm sure Trump structures his real estate holdings so that none of them make a profit. It's easy to do when you have capital depreciation, shit tons of money owed to banks, staff to pay, etc. etc.

It's how Warren Buffet can claim to pay less in taxes than his secretary. He only pays himself something like $100,000 a year in income, donates a bunch of it, and keeps all of his wealth in his company.

Which is smart or tax reasons and for business reasons.

But when you own your houses, cars, etc. cash, and have your personal staff set up in a separate LLC, what are your actual living expenses? Electricity and groceries? I mean, why WOULD you pay yourself millions a year? Just so you could give half to the government?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 15, 2017 10:37 AM (wmaTe)

305 296 292
255 I suppose I could check out what " pi Day" is about. Then again, I
suspect that knowing what it is would not enrich me, so I will assume
it's some decadent Nonsense.

Posted by: kraken at March 15, 2017 10:23 AM (zSVEm)



Pi day is March 14. 3/14

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 10:33 AM (0mRoj)

Pi Day, apparently potato chip day and let us not forget - Steak and a BJ day (since it is one month after valentines day).
Mark your calendars for next year.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 15, 2017 10:34 AM (jxbfJ)

Steak I can wrangle. The beejer, probably not. And before somebody makes the exact smartass comment I would make, shut up.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 10:37 AM (0mRoj)

306 285 Still steamed about Bernie Sanders only paying 13% on his taxes.
_______________________________

He gets to write off the cost of in-home geriatric care, the cost of Depends diapers, Vermont Maple Syrup enemas, Ben and Jerry hot fudge massages and full-body exfoliation by 17 bikini-clad Guatamalan teenagers with lava rocks and coconut shells.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 15, 2017 10:37 AM (4AVeu)

307 Glad I'm out of the spotlight for now.

Posted by: The Sallow Paul Ryan at March 15, 2017 10:38 AM (57R5r)

308 I think I was making $10 an hour that year.


If you'd worked 15.8 million hours that year you'd have made as much as Trump, but no, you didn't want it bad enough.

Slacker.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at March 15, 2017 10:38 AM (gIRsn)

309 I don't care, I just want someone to slap that smirk off Madcows face.

Posted by: deplorable Jewells45 at March 15, 2017 10:38 AM (zRZaJ)

310 16 deg. now. No idea what overnight low was.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2017 10:36 AM (ZO497)

Depends what side of the mountain your'e on.

Posted by: Golfman at March 15, 2017 10:39 AM (k0S3A)

311 The arrogance of people like Sanders. They get to take the high moral position of being seen as 'compassionate', while contributing virtually nothing of their own. He doesn't build anything, or create anything of value. And he doesn't pay very much, either.

He's like a villain straight out of Atlas Shrugged.

Posted by: Mike at March 15, 2017 10:39 AM (jFniP)

312
Time in Netherlands right now is 3:45 pm. Still time for the Russians to hack the election.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 15, 2017 10:39 AM (ZFUt7)

313 Maddow Disease - when your brain wastes away while waiting for a big scoop of Nothingburger.

Posted by: Roy at March 15, 2017 10:40 AM (VndSC)

314 I'm looking forward to hearing the wheels turning in President Trump's justice department.
They can put the hides of a few of those liberal arseholes on the fence to keep the others away.

Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at March 15, 2017 10:40 AM (uh+QI)

315 297 By the way, there were lots of people saying donald was only worth $500M. Not even close.
Posted by: bjwubbs at March 15, 2017 10:35 AM (XHmTG)

It depends how much you think the "Trump" name is worth. If it's worth zero, then Trump is not worth multiple billions. He owns percentages of buildings, and you can find out the present value of that (average NYC cost per foot to rent, 6% CAP rate -- or whatever it is in manhattan--) minus all of the money he owes to banks.

However, if you think the "Trump" name is worth something, then Trump Tower and other holdings are probably worth more than just the average cost per square foot to rent the property in Manhattan. That's where you get those wildly different wealth numbers for Trump. It depends on what you think putting "Trump" in front of "non-descript Manhattan tower" is worth.

It's frankly a complete guessing game, because until he goes to sell the building, theres no real way to know what the market values that at.

Either way, Trump is much much much more wealthy than me, I can say that for sure.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 15, 2017 10:41 AM (wmaTe)

316 Depends what side of the mountain your'e on.
Posted by: Golfman


Did you see the damage done to the Trump putting green? Could you venture a guess as to monetary damage?

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 15, 2017 10:41 AM (ZFUt7)

317 Maddow reminds me of a Libray Administrator that used to swagger around a University I worked at.
Borderline personality, ran through girlfriends there was an endless supply of them.

Posted by: kraken at March 15, 2017 10:42 AM (zSVEm)

318 why WOULD you pay yourself millions a year? Just so you could give half to the government?
__________________

Golden shower hookers aren't cheap! But yeah, the rest of your comment is what I was thinking.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at March 15, 2017 10:42 AM (OwdyX)

319 >>The arrogance of people like Sanders. They get to take the high moral
position of being seen as 'compassionate', while contributing virtually
nothing of their own. He doesn't build anything, or create anything of
value. And he doesn't pay very much, either.


And yet he owns 3 houses, just purchasing a big vacation home on Lake Champlain after he lost the nomination. Hmmm, what does he attribute his real estate savvy to, I wonder? Maybe he learned something from Harry Reid...

Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 10:43 AM (NOIQH)

320 He gets to write off the cost of in-home geriatric
care, the cost of Depends diapers, Vermont Maple Syrup enemas, Ben and
Jerry hot fudge massages and full-body exfoliation by 17 bikini-clad
Guatamalan teenagers with lava rocks and coconut shells. Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 15, 2017 10:37 AM (4AVeu)
=====

Don't you deplorable flyover people understand reality? If you are a millionaire/billionaire on a government paycheck the money is clean, pure, and laundered. Much nicer (with sharper creases) than that dirty, icky, money that you earn yourself. The only good money is government money.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 15, 2017 10:43 AM (MIKMs)

321 How about we take a look at Nancy Pelosi's income taxes?

How did she become a multi-millionaire on a Congressional salary?

$196 million? Doing the people's work?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 15, 2017 10:44 AM (4AVeu)

322 Good morning Ace, and, killer post.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2017 10:44 AM (ZO497)

323 Since these returns have "client copy" on them, I doubt they came from any government agency. Most likely some employee, long since departed, at any one of the dozens of NY Banks that would have seen these as a part of one of Trump's financing deals kept a private copy (which he shouldn't have, obviously) in the hope of selling them to someone some day.

I wonder how much he was paid for them.

Also could have been someone employed by Trump's accounting department - the 2005 date suggests this person left a long time ago. Even though Trump has made a big deal about not releasing these publicly, it's easy to believe that hundreds of professional people have seen them over the years. Which also would lead to the conclusion that there's really not much that is very surprising in any of them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 15, 2017 10:45 AM (V2Yro)

324 This made me laugh several times. Thanks, Ace.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 15, 2017 10:45 AM (U+nHb)

325 if i had a devious bone in my body, i'd crank call that electrician.


all. day.

Posted by: concrete girl at March 15, 2017 10:45 AM (pe9k3)

326 That picture of Maddow on Drudge...lol..does she really wear blue framed glasses?

Posted by: IC at March 15, 2017 10:46 AM (a0IVu)

327 >>why WOULD you pay yourself millions a year? Just so you could give half to the government?



Especially when you could instead launder it through a family foundation that spends less that 10% on good works, yet covers ALL of your living expenses including multiple mansions, designer clothes, jewels, private jet travel, glorious vacations, etc.?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 10:46 AM (NOIQH)

328
Did you see the damage done to the Trump putting green? Could you venture a guess as to monetary damage?
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 15, 2017 10:41 AM (ZFUt7)

Had not seen that. The replacement sod alone would cost $5-6 K. That doesn't include labor and lost revenue. Plus weeks of a less than stellar putting surface.

Posted by: Golfman at March 15, 2017 10:46 AM (k0S3A)

329 Steak I can wrangle. The beejer, probably not. And before somebody makes the exact smartass comment I would make, shut up.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 15, 2017 10:37 AM (0mRoj)

Do you own Crocs?

Posted by: that ghey guy in the sperm donor story at March 15, 2017 10:47 AM (8iiMU)

330 And yet he owns 3 houses, just purchasing a big vacation home on Lake Champlain after he lost the nomination. Hmmm, what does he attribute his real estate savvy to, I wonder? Maybe he learned something from Harry Reid...
Posted by: Lizzy
--------

Perhaps to his wife Jane (?). Who bankrupted Burlington College, left it with $2 Million in debt, and collected a $200,000 bonus as she left.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2017 10:48 AM (ZO497)

331 The same media champions the mother-son combo changing genders as sound mental health and parenting. These people are so far gone. I, like most, want exactly 0% to do with these deranged psychotic degenerates.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 15, 2017 10:48 AM (2qHjF)

332 Sorry about being totally OT - mainly because I can't contribute to this topic because the telly has been on "Lewis" first, and now the Men in Lycra cycling around Belgium


I'm having Friday and Monday off work and we're off for a long weekend in the Hunter Valley - best and oldest wine region in NSW

https://tinyurl.com/h3cb7m7

It really is a very lovely place and only about 3 hours from home


We're staying at the Grand Mercure Apartments at Rothbury

https://tinyurl.com/hbj5sp6

And as a bonus my dear friends have a winery and reception place there, so we will be having a nice winery tour there


https://tinyurl.com/hyvhk7z


Goodness after a lousy day at work and a sh*tty family problem creating havoc, it's so good to laugh reading this post and comments!


BTW Became a grandma for the 4th time a few hours ago, little Maximus is here!




Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 10:49 AM (N/OEj)

333 So is Comey going to blow up in their faces next?



#PopsPopcorn

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 10:49 AM (2x9LM)

334 Especially when you could instead launder it through a family foundation that spends less that 10% on good works, yet covers ALL of your living expenses including multiple mansions, designer clothes, jewels, private jet travel, glorious vacations, etc.?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 10:46 AM (NOIQH)

Yes. I was wondering why no one was making the point during the campaign that Hillary & Bill "donated" their "speech" money to "charity" by having the venue write a check to the Clinton Foundation instead of to Hillary herself.

Why would they do that, you may ask? Oh, right, because then no one has to pay income tax on it, but the Clinton's still get to live off the proceeds! Brilliant!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 15, 2017 10:50 AM (wmaTe)

335 And yet he (Sanders) owns 3 houses, just purchasing a big vacation home on Lake
Champlain after he lost the nomination. Hmmm, what does he attribute his
real estate savvy to, I wonder? Maybe he learned something from Harry
Reid...

And just like Reid, he had no other major source of income prior to going into government.

That's the real scandal in this friggin' mess. These phonies need to be exposed, and harped on (by Trump).

Don't talk to me about sacrificing for the greater good unless you're willing to give up a great deal of your own goodies.

Posted by: Mike at March 15, 2017 10:50 AM (jFniP)

336 How about we take a look at Nancy Pelosi's income taxes?


How did she become a multi-millionaire on a Congressional salary?
===

Bribes. Slush funds. Kickbacks. Sweetheart deals.

The usual.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 10:50 AM (Q5kE6)

337 332, Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 10:49 AM (N/OEj)

Congratulations on being a grandma again! Lovely. Sounds like a splendid weekend is coming up.

Posted by: IC at March 15, 2017 10:50 AM (a0IVu)

338
Pretty straightforward from here:
1) Get a copy of Trump's tax returns
2) Prove that Trump pays taxes
3) Impeach Trump for paying Taxes
4) Call a Special Election for President
5) Hillary Clinton wins the Presidency

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 15, 2017 10:51 AM (ZQpd0)

339 Keep Maximus far from the Arena, and Rome in general.

Posted by: kraken at March 15, 2017 10:51 AM (zSVEm)

340 Moar please.

Posted by: nip at March 15, 2017 10:51 AM (L5nkE)

341 How about we take a look at Nancy Pelosi's income taxes?


How did she become a multi-millionaire on a Congressional salary?
===

Bribes. Slush funds. Kickbacks. Sweetheart deals.

The usual.
Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 10:50 AM (Q5kE6)

Mr Pelosi owns a successful financial company in California that I'm sure has never ever used his inside influence in DC via his wife to make money. NEVER EVER!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 15, 2017 10:51 AM (wmaTe)

342 "gigantic socialist emu"

"If I really worked for a fascist, you'd be smoke up a chimney right now, sugartits"

F**king love this place.
Carry on.

Posted by: Lurking Queen at March 15, 2017 10:51 AM (5oWLH)

343 BTW Became a grandma for the 4th time a few hours ago, little Maximus is here!




Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 10:49 AM (N/OEj)

Congratulations!

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 15, 2017 10:52 AM (RD7QR)

344 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 15, 2017 10:41 AM (wmaTe)

I think Forbes has done all the figuring based on a valid criteria and they have no problem classifying him as a billionaire.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 15, 2017 10:52 AM (TpMXn)

345 Thanks for the good run down on Harry Potter look-a-like 2nd Runner-Up Rachel Maddow's big nothingburger.

Posted by: buzzion at March 15, 2017 10:52 AM (z/Ubi)

346 BTW Became a grandma for the 4th time a few hours ago, little Maximus is here!

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 10:49 AM (N/OEj)


Congrats!!

You mentioned "Lewis." Do you mean the Morse spin-off show?

Posted by: BurtTC at March 15, 2017 10:53 AM (TOk1P)

347
Bribes. Slush funds. Kickbacks. Sweetheart deals.


And insider trading. Perfectly legal.

For her.

Not you, prole.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 10:53 AM (oVJmc)

348 >>How about we take a look at Nancy Pelosi's income taxes?




Pelosi *and* Dianne Feinstein - both have husbands whose businesses do well thanks to the policies their wives push.


Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 10:55 AM (NOIQH)

349 I'd like to stay and chat, but I must get over to the Forum.

Posted by: Julius Caesar at March 15, 2017 10:55 AM (ZO497)

350 Had not seen that. The replacement sod alone would cost $5-6 K. That doesn't include labor and lost revenue. Plus weeks of a less than stellar putting surface.
Posted by: Golfman at March 15, 2017 10:46 AM (k0S3A)


Hot Air had pictures, can't find it now. They inscribed some sort of stupid message in about a 100 square foot area.

Could probably Google using 'Trump putting green vandalism'.

Washington Post initially downplayed as petty. Then some people edumacted them and they had to change the lede.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 15, 2017 10:55 AM (ZFUt7)

351 Aussie! Congrats on the new grand-aussie.

Babies are wonderful.

Posted by: bluebell at March 15, 2017 10:55 AM (sBOL1)

352 Congrats on the 4th grandchild, Aussie!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 10:55 AM (NOIQH)

353 The AMT thing is really fascinating. Do none of these media types own property? I guess it is possible they all rent apartments in NY/DC, but anyone with a house and decent income has to deal with the AMT.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 15, 2017 10:56 AM (OD2ni)

354 Aussie - Congratulations! 'Maximus', eh?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2017 10:57 AM (ZO497)

355 @309 I just want someone to slap that smirk off Madcows face.

You'll have to fast-forward to 10:56, but it's fun all the way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut0TaegQ-kw

Donald J. Trump, Super-Billionaire, President of These United States, and
Your Huckleberry.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 15, 2017 10:57 AM (H5rtT)

356 "How about we take a look at Nancy Pelosi's income taxes?

How did she become a multi-millionaire on a Congressional salary?"


Google Big Tommy D'allessandron and Baltimore.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 15, 2017 10:57 AM (OD2ni)

357 337 IC

" Congratulations on being a grandma again! Lovely. Sounds like a splendid weekend is coming up. "

Thanks so much! The 4 days away is as welcome as 4 weeks right now

Little Maximus is just gorgeous - of course I'd say that as a proud grandma

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 10:57 AM (N/OEj)

358 @311 - That is simply not true. Sanders contributed brilliant prose, laying bare the fact that every woman really wants to be raped.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 15, 2017 10:57 AM (vg8iE)

359 I'd like to stay and chat, but I must get over to the Forum.

Posted by: Julius Caesar at March 15, 2017 10:55 AM (ZO497)

What a pointless comment.

Stick around...

Posted by: BurtTC at March 15, 2017 10:58 AM (TOk1P)

360 "Steak and a BJ day (since it is one month after valentines day)."

Sadly, I had to make my own sandwich IYKWIM.

And cook my own dinner

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 10:58 AM (SIY7D)

361 BTW, what did Hillary and Bill pay in 2005 in taxes?

Posted by: buzzion at March 15, 2017 10:58 AM (z/Ubi)

362 339 kraken

" Keep Maximus far from the Arena, and Rome in general. "

Fate perhaps as he was born on the Ides of March - he is destined for great things! Emperor ?

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 10:59 AM (N/OEj)

363 Pretty straightforward from here:
1) Get a copy of Trump's tax returns
2) Prove that Trump pays taxes
3) Impeach Trump for paying Taxes
4) Call a Special Election for President
5) Hillary Clinton wins the Presidency
Posted by: RoyalOil

Why, she has an insurmountable lead in Broward County?

Posted by: Jean at March 15, 2017 10:59 AM (zZb/S)

364 Mr Pelosi owns a successful financial company in
California that I'm sure has never ever used his inside influence in DC
via his wife to make money. NEVER EVER!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 15, 2017 10:51 AM (wmaTe)

Nancy is the richest member of the House! According to the National Review.

Posted by: Colin at March 15, 2017 10:59 AM (PLCSu)

365 For those who think he didn't make ENOUGH money. These were his personal income taxes not the returns for any corporate entity. Trump LLC would have a different set of taxes. Therefore his personal income is shown and how much he paid in taxes personally, not what his entire net worth would pay on gainz.

Posted by: dagny at March 15, 2017 11:00 AM (Mc+44)

366 Congrats Aussie!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 11:00 AM (2x9LM)

367 Chris Hayes IS Rachel Maddow IS Chris Hayes IS Rachel Maddow!

Add some bloat, cut some makeup, switch the side it parts its hair on, throw on glasses. Which show they tape just depends on how much cauliflower and salt it ate.

Whoa.

Posted by: Wasted Keanu at March 15, 2017 11:01 AM (wx6iv)

368 @364 - Remember when the bitch unloaded her Citibank stock in advance of legislation going through Congress that would have caused losses to her portfolio?

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 15, 2017 11:01 AM (vg8iE)

369 Comey presser at 1130EST

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 11:01 AM (2x9LM)

370 361 BTW, what did Hillary and Bill pay in 2005 in taxes?
Posted by: buzzion at March 15, 2017 10:58 AM (z/Ubi)

I dunno but I'm betting there were huge writeoffs for items like "Therapeutic Escort Services" and "Gin, 20 cases, net 30".

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 15, 2017 11:01 AM (RD7QR)

371 Does Pelosi still runs sweatshops in Guam which Nancy keeps unregulated by US law?

Posted by: Jean at March 15, 2017 11:01 AM (zZb/S)

372 Fate perhaps as he was born on the Ides of March - he is destined for great things! Emperor ?
Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 10:59 AM (N/OEj)


With a name like Maximus, just hope he doesn't get nick-named "Bigus Dickus" on his rugby team

Posted by: Kindltot at March 15, 2017 11:01 AM (WQX/u)

373 369 Comey presser at 1130EST
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 11:01 AM (2x9LM)

Resignation, or he's charging somebody in the admin for something.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 15, 2017 11:02 AM (RD7QR)

374 I think Forbes has done all the figuring based on a valid criteria and they have no problem classifying him as a billionaire.
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 15, 2017 10:52 AM (TpMXn)

Well that's my point, it's all speculation. It completely depends on what you think the "Trump" name is worth. There's no way to quantify that unless Trump starts a mass sell of properties so that there would be a baseline of comparable properties to get an idea of how far above market rates a building with the name "Trump" on it is worth.

I suspect that Trump is well in to billionaire range, but there's no way to know unless he sells properties and sees what people are willing to pay for a "Trump" building.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 15, 2017 11:02 AM (wmaTe)

375 haha just saw therickwilson's tweet!!! he blocked me a long time ago..... ......remember when he was a friend of the blog......

Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 15, 2017 11:02 AM (0O7c5)

376 343 joncelli

Thanks so much - I can't wait to see him in a couple of weeks - they're in Brisbane *too far to drive for a quick visit*

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 11:02 AM (N/OEj)

377
With a name like Maximus, just hope he doesn't get nick-named "Bigus Dickus" on his rugby team
Posted by: Kindltot at March 15, 2017 11:01 AM (WQX/u)

I've heard of worse nicknames.

Posted by: Smallus Dickus at March 15, 2017 11:03 AM (wmaTe)

378 how much disappointment can the rick wilson take?

Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 15, 2017 11:03 AM (0O7c5)

379 Why is Comey doing pressers? Release sober, well documented reports.

Posted by: Jean at March 15, 2017 11:03 AM (zZb/S)

380 373 369 Comey presser at 1130EST
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 11:01 AM (2x9LM)

Resignation, or he's charging somebody in the admin for something.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 15, 2017 11:02 AM (RD7QR)

=====================

He's just telling the world that he's excited about the dinner his wife is cooking for him tonight.

At least, that's as meaningful as the presser will end up being, I think.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 11:04 AM (GrpW6)

381 Resignation, or he's charging somebody in the admin for something.

I'm sure the 'no reasonable prosecutor' standard will no longer apply.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 11:04 AM (oVJmc)

382 BTW Became a grandma for the 4th time a few hours ago, little Maximus is here!

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 10:49 AM (N/OEj)


ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 15, 2017 11:04 AM (X6fMO)

383 That young fellow Maddow really embarrassed himself last night for sure.
But, I'm sure others have debated this but I'm late to the thread, isn't it illegal to have someone's old tax returns without their permission?

Posted by: keena at March 15, 2017 11:04 AM (THjrG)

384 367
Chris Hayes IS Rachel Maddow IS Chris Hayes IS Rachel Maddow!



Add some bloat, cut some makeup, switch the side it parts its hair
on, throw on glasses. Which show they tape just depends on how much
cauliflower and salt it ate.



Whoa.

Posted by: Wasted Keanu at March 15, 2017 11:01 AM (wx6iv)
rachel maddow is the more masculine chris hayes

Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 15, 2017 11:04 AM (0O7c5)

385 Golfman

http://tinyurl.com/TrumpGolfDamn

Sends to
www.globalgolfpost.com

Picture

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 15, 2017 11:04 AM (ZFUt7)

386 I suspect that Trump is well in to billionaire range, but there's no way to know unless he sells properties and sees what people are willing to pay for a "Trump" building.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 15, 2017 11:02 AM (wmaTe)

I don't often go bad at night worrying about where PDT's next meal is coming from. I wish I had to pay 40 Million in taxes. LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 15, 2017 11:04 AM (SjImc)

387 That dude on MSLSD really messed up last night. I think I'll go long on Trump futures.

Posted by: Al Capone's Vault at March 15, 2017 11:04 AM (1CroS)

388 379 Why is Comey doing pressers? Release sober, well documented reports.
Posted by: Jean at March 15, 2017 11:03 AM (zZb/S)

I don't know. My bigger question is why does Comey still have a job? Comey should have been fired day one. The FBI director is supposed to be non-political and at least somewhat trusted by everyone. Comey is neither of those.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 15, 2017 11:05 AM (wmaTe)

389 346 BurtTC

"Congrats!!

You mentioned "Lewis." Do you mean the Morse spin-off show?"

Thank you, and yes, that Lewis - I love that show and I'm a past fan of the Inspector Morse series

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 11:05 AM (N/OEj)

390
The question is, did he do anything illegal?





Right, because an army of lovely new york jewish accountants and tax attornies did Trump's taxes in such a way that there were glaring illegalities


PLUS


The IRS never noticed.



I don't know what it takes to be so low information (left) that they think that they are going to find lawbreaking in Trump's taxes if he would just publish them.



What they may not like is who he gave charitable donations to. Actually, it may be who WE don't like.

Posted by: dagny at March 15, 2017 11:05 AM (Mc+44)

391 Comey presser at 1130EST
Posted by: RWC
---------

Ooooo. Will there be sharp creases? Because I really like sharp creases.

Posted by: David Brooks. at March 15, 2017 11:05 AM (ZO497)

392 378 how much disappointment can the rick wilson take?
Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 15, 2017 11:03 AM (0O7c5)

He gets some disappointment every time he looks down while peeing so he should be accustomed to it by now.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 15, 2017 11:05 AM (RD7QR)

393 Aussie, I loved the Dandenong area and the Yarra Valley when we were in Melbourne a few years ago...

Posted by: IC at March 15, 2017 11:06 AM (a0IVu)

394 Well, we really chocked the chicken on this one.

Posted by: Nevertrumpers at March 15, 2017 11:06 AM (BDZWU)

395
I don't often go bad at night worrying about where PDT's next meal is coming from. I wish I had to pay 40 Million in taxes. LOL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 15, 2017 11:04 AM (SjImc)

heh, yeah, exactly.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 15, 2017 11:06 AM (wmaTe)

396 That was some post. I'm surprised we're not all willowed after reading the whole thing.

Posted by: rickl at March 15, 2017 11:07 AM (zoehZ)

397 So was #Geraldo'sVault trending on Twitter last night? I was too busy reading all the awesome mocking-tweets to notice.

Posted by: Joanne at March 15, 2017 11:07 AM (lp6dz)

398 373 369 Comey presser at 1130EST
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 11:01 AM (2x9LM)

Resignation, or he's charging somebody in the admin for something.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 15, 2017 11:02 AM (RD7QR)

Regarding the investigation of Russia/Trump ties....or lack of.

IDK, the libs and deep state are pushing it so I guess it's their next big GOTCHA!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 11:07 AM (2x9LM)

399 Resignation, or he's charging somebody in the admin for something.
====


"Donald Trump is actually DMITRY TRUMPKOV, KGB SPY!!!"

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 11:07 AM (Q5kE6)

400 Damn...Trumps been holding out on me.

*orders more vodka on PDT's credit card*

Posted by: Putin at March 15, 2017 11:07 AM (1G2ms)

401 Comney is announcing that he is charging Madcow for the IRS form she touted

Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 15, 2017 11:07 AM (jsWA8)

402 "Little Maximus"?
[quick-checks the Big Book of Diminutives]

Why, in Austrian, that's "Maximilian."
Of course, only one person here actually speaks Austrian...

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 15, 2017 11:08 AM (H5rtT)

403 There but for the grace of Gia..

Posted by: Ronin Farrow at March 15, 2017 11:08 AM (bc2Lc)

404 376 343 joncelli

Thanks so much - I can't wait to see him in a couple of weeks - they're in Brisbane *too far to drive for a quick visit*
Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 11:02 AM (N/OEj)

Make sure to spoil him -- grandma's privilege!

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 15, 2017 11:08 AM (RD7QR)

405 Greetings:

Were Rachel Maddow and Sally Kohn separated at birth ???

Posted by: 11B40 at March 15, 2017 11:08 AM (evgyj)

406 how much disappointment can the rick wilson take?


Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training
==

I don't know , PG.

But let's find out, shall we?


:-)

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 11:08 AM (Q5kE6)

407 349 Posted by: Julius Caesar

" I'd like to stay and chat, but I must get over to the Forum. "

1pm Roman time - you will be in big trouble my dear!

Stay home and file your nails and rearrange your scrolls my dear fellow


Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 11:08 AM (N/OEj)

408 Hilarious post. Great way to start the day.

Thanks Ace!

Posted by: Jingo Unchained! at March 15, 2017 11:09 AM (02ckt)

409 ACE - please tell me you've seen this


https://twitter.com/AprilDRyan/status/841822471368105985


My. God. It's not Fake News, that takes creativity and intellect to craft something believable and with some context of important.

It's News reported by Fake People. To espouse such idiotic statements with Confidence that it is correct and rock solid infallibility, they are acting as figments of their own collective imagination - bigger than what reality dictates.

"Nerd Prom is Going to BLOW this year"

I

Posted by: Carlos Danger at March 15, 2017 11:09 AM (fFfWq)

410 Ace: "Well, $38 million in one year is more than $0. I'm no professional fact-checker, but I believe this makes Hillary Clinton a big fat liar."

But $38 million is less than a $kajillion zillion so he still paid practically nothing. My facts remain unassailable.

Posted by: Liberal Logic at March 15, 2017 11:09 AM (1CroS)

411 Ok, I guess there is no presser. He is just meeting with Grassley and Feinstein today.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 11:09 AM (2x9LM)

412 Anyone have recent updates on the NL election? Some areas reporting up to 100% turnout...*amazing*

Posted by: IC at March 15, 2017 11:09 AM (a0IVu)

413 398 373 369 Comey presser at 1130EST
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 11:01 AM (2x9LM)

Resignation, or he's charging somebody in the admin for something.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 15, 2017 11:02 AM (RD7QR)

Regarding the investigation of Russia/Trump ties....or lack of.

IDK, the libs and deep state are pushing it so I guess it's their next big GOTCHA!
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 11:07 AM (2x9LM)

THIS TIME FOR SURE!

Posted by: Rachel Bullwinkle at March 15, 2017 11:09 AM (RD7QR)

414 That dude on MSLSD really messed up last night. I think I'll go long on Trump futures.
Posted by: Al Capone's Vault
--------

Never trust a dude who wears glasses with blue frames.

Posted by: David Brooks. at March 15, 2017 11:09 AM (ZO497)

415 Rick Wilson.

If ever a face was made for a gimp mask, that is it.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 11:10 AM (oVJmc)

416 You guys realize that I can't always control this thing, right?

Poseidon, got any suggestions?

Poseidon?

Poseidon...where the fuck did you go!?!

Fuck it...unleash the Krakenboner!

Posted by: Zeus at March 15, 2017 11:11 AM (XkVXQ)

417 Didn't Pelosi inherit a vinyard, or her husband did, or something?

I thought that's where her wealth came from.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 15, 2017 11:11 AM (ul9CR)

418 412 Anyone have recent updates on the NL election? Some areas reporting up to 100% turnout...*amazing*
Posted by: IC at March 15, 2017 11:09 AM (a0IVu)

What about the AL election? Are they going to get rid of the DH rule?

Posted by: josephistan at March 15, 2017 11:11 AM (7HtZB)

419 haha just saw therickwilson's tweet!!! he blocked me a long time ago..... ......remember when he was a friend of the blog......

Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 15, 2017 11:02 AM (0O7c5)


More accurately, he was never a "friend" of the blog, but was of a like mind with some folks who used to post here.

We don't see them around here anymore either.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 15, 2017 11:12 AM (TOk1P)

420 351 bluebell

Thanks so much, and yes, I'm looking forward to meeting this little bloke - his sister is so cute and I'm sure she will adjust well (I can see her sitting on Maximus and saying what about me?)

She's a feisty little thing!

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 11:12 AM (N/OEj)

421 Fuck it...unleash the Krakenboner!


Word.

Posted by: kraken at March 15, 2017 11:12 AM (zSVEm)

422 OK, elevenses and time for tea. BBL.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 15, 2017 11:12 AM (X6fMO)

423 What's J Edgar Comey up to now...

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 15, 2017 11:12 AM (ul9CR)

424 Sends to
www.globalgolfpost.com

Picture
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 15, 2017 11:04 AM (ZFUt7)

The article is pretty sad at WaPo. Spends the last part highlighting Trump detractors.

With damage like that is would be easier to re-sod the whole green. The repairs would be too tedious to get right in the existing sod.

Can't have nice things.

Posted by: Golfman at March 15, 2017 11:12 AM (k0S3A)

425 409 ACE - please tell me you've seen this


https://twitter.com/AprilDRyan/status/841822471368105985


My. God. It's not Fake News, that takes creativity and intellect to craft something believable and with some context of important.

It's News reported by Fake People. To espouse such idiotic statements with Confidence that it is correct and rock solid infallibility, they are acting as figments of their own collective imagination - bigger than what reality dictates.

"Nerd Prom is Going to BLOW this year"

I
Posted by: Carlos Danger at March 15, 2017 11:09 AM (fFfWq)

=================

That's hilarious.

$150 million in income for one year means that Trump doesn't have at least $1 billion total.

These people are geniuses.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 11:12 AM (GrpW6)

426 Comey's probably responding to Graham:

Graham: I'll move to subpoena wiretap info if Comey doesn't respond today

http://preview.tinyurl.com/h3cbu7v

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 11:12 AM (oVJmc)

427 What they may not like is who he gave charitable donations to. Actually, it may be who WE don't like.
Posted by: dagny at March 15, 2017 11:05 AM (Mc+44)


I think that might be the point; trying to do to Trump what they organized for Milo.

The problem is, a lot of people disapproved of Milo's lifestyle and not his politics and may have been looking for a pretext to dump him. I am not sure what is bad about Trump other than 30 years of "crass self important businessman", and it is a bit late to be worked up about that if you aren't already.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 15, 2017 11:13 AM (WQX/u)

428 Anyone have recent updates on the NL election? Some areas reporting up to 100% turnout...*amazing*
Posted by: IC at March 15, 2017 11:09 AM (a0IVu)

Philly?

Posted by: Golfman at March 15, 2017 11:13 AM (k0S3A)

429 I just saw an estimate of 80-85% turnout in the NL.

Wow.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 15, 2017 11:13 AM (ul9CR)

430 411 Ok, I guess there is no presser. He is just meeting with Grassley and Feinstein today.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 11:09 AM (2x9LM)

-------------

Three way. You're welcome.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 15, 2017 11:13 AM (kTF2Z)

431 370 361 BTW, what did Hillary and Bill pay in 2005 in taxes?
Posted by: buzzion at March 15, 2017 10:58 AM (z/Ubi)

I dunno but I'm betting there were huge writeoffs for items like "Therapeutic Escort Services" and "Gin, 20 cases, net 30".
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 15, 2017 11:01 AM (RD7QR)



Don't forget the charitable donations of used underwear.

Posted by: buzzion at March 15, 2017 11:14 AM (z/Ubi)

432 "$150 million in income for one year means that Trump doesn't have at least $1 billion total."

Said by someone who probably never saved a dollar in her life. So makes perfect sense

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 11:14 AM (SIY7D)

433 So many things Comey could announce.

1. New Hillary Clinton investigation has uncovered criminal behavior with destruction of evidence.

2. Anthony Wiener emails revealed pedophile ring in Washington DC involving Podesta.

3. Obama administrators face criminal charges for shipping cash to Iran.

4. No morning art today.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 15, 2017 11:15 AM (4AVeu)

434 BurtTC

"Congrats!!

You mentioned "Lewis." Do you mean the Morse spin-off show?"
------------------------------
Thank you, and yes, that Lewis - I love that show and I'm a past fan of the Inspector Morse series

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 11:05 AM (N/OEj)


Yes, Lewis is a worthy follow-up to the Morse series, and if you have not yet seen it, please find the Endeavor series. Which is a prequel to Morse, set in the 60s, when Morse would have been a Constable (and now Sergeant??).

It's still running, and to be quite honest, I think it's better than either of its predecessors.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 15, 2017 11:15 AM (TOk1P)

435 Comey was upset with Trump, thinking his "wiretap" thing made it look like the FBI did something illegal. So he will maybe clear up some of the "Trump is a Russian stooge" stuff, and say they did not wiretap the tower.

But will he then make it look like it was Trump that lied? Because the NSA tapped the tower and the rest of America, and the intel sharing thing lets Obama call the Brits and get the NSA wiretap info circuitously, with no US IC fingerprints. And McCain is setting deadlines for Trump to come clean ... (March 20).

But maybe Comey reveals that Trump may be correct on being "wiretapped" (surveilled) ... but the FBI didn't do it. Maybe he will reveal who has been feeding the "Trump is a Russian spy" type agitprop to the FBI.

The plot thickens ... and sickens ... yes the tower was surveilled. We all are surveilled, and the bureaucrats are seditious leakers. Obama opened it up in his last two weeks for thousands in the IC to have access to all that NSA data, even the "five eyes" other nations.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 15, 2017 11:15 AM (BrMft)

436 What about the AL election? Are they going to get rid of the DH rule?

Posted by: josephistan at March 15, 2017 11:11 AM (7HtZB)
lol.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 15, 2017 11:15 AM (0O7c5)

437 352 Lizzy

Thanks and I'm just texting baby's mum, my dear step daughter who is feeding Maximus in the Special Care Nursery - his heart beat dropped while being born, however he is good now

She's an experienced mum, texting while feeding!

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 11:15 AM (N/OEj)

438
https://twitter.com/AprilDRyan/status/841822471368105985


Oh my gosh. That's a White House correspondent.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 11:15 AM (oVJmc)

439 Harry Paratestes: "Comey should have been fired day one. The FBI director is supposed to be non-political and at least somewhat trusted by everyone. Comey is neither of those."

This. His handling of the Clinton Crime Syndicate and Server is itself inept and/or criminal. No effin' way he should retain any authority in any public capacity at this point.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 15, 2017 11:15 AM (1CroS)

440 From ZeroHedge:

David Brock says...








"More questions than answers tonight. I'm offering a $5m reward to anyone with Trump's complete, legally obtained tax returns."
ZeroHedge asks how do you get legally obtained stolen tax documents?

Posted by: shibumi at March 15, 2017 11:15 AM (FkAXz)

441 432 "$150 million in income for one year means that Trump doesn't have at least $1 billion total."

Said by someone who probably never saved a dollar in her life. So makes perfect sense
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 11:14 AM (SIY7D)

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I dream that she has input on Democratic strategy meetings at some level.

I mean, she IS a member of the press.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 11:16 AM (GrpW6)

442 So nothing has leaked from Comey's previous meeting with the Senate, hmmmm must not be good news for Schumer

Posted by: Jean at March 15, 2017 11:16 AM (zZb/S)

443 If you point out my flawed logic your a troll!

Posted by: April D. Ryan at March 15, 2017 11:16 AM (OwdyX)

444 Is Geert Party of Freedom or Party of Freedom and Democracy?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 11:17 AM (2x9LM)

445 Don't forget the charitable donations of used underwear.

Posted by: buzzion at March 15, 2017 11:14 AM (z/Ubi)
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Trump's underwear has a "TRUMP" label. The label is cut out and a deduction is taken for the underwear AND the label.

Posted by: Undocumented at March 15, 2017 11:17 AM (SsblQ)

446 418 412 Anyone have recent updates on the NL election? Some areas reporting up to 100% turnout...*amazing*
Posted by: IC at March 15, 2017 11:09 AM (a0IVu)

What about the AL election? Are they going to get rid of the DH rule?

Posted by: josephistan at March 15, 2017 11:11 AM


Edgar Martinez for the HOF!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at March 15, 2017 11:17 AM (0tfLf)

447 I took a so called crap and it still stunk.

Posted by: Killerdog at March 15, 2017 11:17 AM (AReXo)

448 440 From ZeroHedge:

David Brock says...

"More questions than answers tonight. I'm offering a $5m reward to anyone with Trump's complete, legally obtained tax returns."
ZeroHedge asks how do you get legally obtained stolen tax documents?
Posted by: shibumi at March 15, 2017 11:15 AM (FkAXz)

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It'd be funny if Trump should take him up on that, and then donate the money to the RNC or something.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 11:17 AM (GrpW6)

449 "$150 million in income for one year means that Trump doesn't have at least $1 billion total."

Said by someone who probably never saved a dollar in her life. So makes perfect sense
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 11:14 AM (SIY7D)

It's not even about what he has saved, it's the value of the real estate. You may own a building worth $100,000,000 but it only pays you 5,000,000 a year in rental income (at a 5% cap rate).

Are you worth $100,000,000 or $5,000,000?

I think anyone with half a brain knows the answer to that question.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 15, 2017 11:18 AM (wmaTe)

450 @425 That issue always gives me sadz.
Because, within my dad's lifetime, if your total assets including the house equaled $1 million, you were a "millionaire." Like the Monopoly guy.
Then it got to where you had to have $1M in investments to get called that.
And today, you're not a millionaire unless you clear 7 figures every year.

So I can understand the lack of understanding. Except, with a "B".

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 15, 2017 11:18 AM (H5rtT)

451 Anyone have recent updates on the NL election? Some areas reporting up to 100% turnout...*amazing* Posted by: IC at March 15, 2017 11:09 AM (a0IVu)
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I'll lay down my nickel bet right now that if the election does not go the way the experts predict they will have a do-over. See, Austria.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 15, 2017 11:18 AM (MIKMs)

452 It's still running, and to be quite honest, I think it's better than either of its predecessors.
Posted by: BurtTC
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I just want Morse's Jag.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2017 11:18 AM (ZO497)

453 432 "$150 million in income for one year means that Trump doesn't have at least $1 billion total."

Said by someone who probably never saved a dollar in her life. So makes perfect sense
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 11:14 AM (SIY7D)



And said by someone that demands the government spend more and more money that they don't have

Posted by: buzzion at March 15, 2017 11:18 AM (z/Ubi)

454 Nevermind. Party for Freedom.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 11:19 AM (2x9LM)

455 354 Mike Hammer

Thank you and Maximus is entirely appropriate on this very special Roman day!

Actually they picked the name ages ago , and I don't think they're really interested in Roman history

However they love Russell Crowe

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 11:19 AM (N/OEj)

456 >>ACE - please tell me you've seen this


https://twitter.com/AprilDRyan/status/841822471368105985




Proving WH reporting does not require any math skillz or understanding of economics, business.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2017 11:19 AM (NOIQH)

457 So is anyone going to go to jail for this? How many felonies were committed last night?

Posted by: Diogenes at March 15, 2017 11:19 AM (0tfLf)

458 450 @425 That issue always gives me sadz.
Because, within my dad's lifetime, if your total assets including the house equaled $1 million, you were a "millionaire." Like the Monopoly guy.
Then it got to where you had to have $1M in investments to get called that.
And today, you're not a millionaire unless you clear 7 figures every year.

So I can understand the lack of understanding. Except, with a "B".
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 15, 2017 11:18 AM (H5rtT)

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There's nothing wrong with our public education system and Betsy DaVos is going to destroy it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 11:19 AM (GrpW6)

459 These people are geniuses.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 11:12 AM (GrpW6)


I wonder, is she one of the people that spends every penny she earns and then runs up the credit card? Lot of them dress and live nice, and once they lose the gig they wind up living off of family in a basement.

I wonder if that is the reason the news-faces have such a desperate edge to them

Posted by: Kindltot at March 15, 2017 11:19 AM (WQX/u)

460 This. His handling of the Clinton Crime Syndicate and Server is itself inept and/or criminal. No effin' way he should retain any authority in any public capacity at this point.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 15, 2017 11:15 AM (1CroS)

No, he beclowned himself during the election and with the Clinton email situation. He also pissed off the left by staying in front of cameras during the end of the election. You'd think it'd be easy to get support to replace him with someone less douchey and inept. And someone who is trying to get involved in politics for whatever reason when they should be the top federal cop, and totally outside the political sphere.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 15, 2017 11:19 AM (wmaTe)

461 @440

Exactly.

Funny how no one is the least concerned about reporters gaining access, then nationally reporting on people's tax returns. This goes unaddressed since Joe the Plumber, guilty of nothing more than Obama showing up on his lawn unannounced and embarrassing himself.

Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2017 11:19 AM (n3oGs)

462 I think anyone with half a brain knows the answer to that question.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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I think you have put your finger on the problem.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2017 11:19 AM (ZO497)

463 When I think of David Brock, my mind immediately segues to this toe- sucking guy who used to be a thing, for some reason.

Posted by: kraken at March 15, 2017 11:20 AM (zSVEm)

464 Took awhile to read,but poetry,sheer poetry! Especially the "Big tits and small bladders ."

Posted by: It's me donna at March 15, 2017 11:21 AM (O2RFr)

465 It's not even about what he has saved, it's the value of the real estate. You may own a building worth $100,000,000 but it only pays you 5,000,000 a year in rental income (at a 5% cap rate).

Are you worth $100,000,000 or $5,000,000?

I think anyone with half a brain knows the answer to that question.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 15, 2017 11:18 AM


Damnit...here we go with the math again...

Posted by: Diogenes at March 15, 2017 11:21 AM (0tfLf)

466 3pm GMT update: Europe Elects says that ballot papers are "running out" and some polling stations are swamped because turnout is so high.

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Well, I'm sure it's a bunch of people who want more "temporary" migrants into their country because they just don't like how Dutch the Netherlands still is.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 11:21 AM (GrpW6)

467 366 RWC - Team BOHICA

Thanks and it's so nice to get congrats at 2.30am Thursday!

Aussie Bloke and kitties are all asleep..

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 11:21 AM (N/OEj)

468 3pm GMT update: Europe Elects says that ballot papers are "running out" and some polling stations are swamped because turnout is so high.


My guess is that huge turnout favors a 'change' election.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 15, 2017 11:22 AM (oVJmc)

469 When I think of David Brock, my mind immediately segues to this toe- sucking guy who used to be a thing, for some reason.

Posted by: kraken at March 15, 2017 11:20 AM (zSVEm)
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When you think of David Brock you think of Dick Morris?

Posted by: Undocumented at March 15, 2017 11:22 AM (SsblQ)

470 Carlos Danger:

https://twitter.com/AprilDRyan/status/841822471368105985

I expect nothing less from the Gaggle of Incompetents And Frauds. They are what they are. Nowadays, everyone knows it.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 15, 2017 11:22 AM (1CroS)

471 465 Damnit...here we go with the math again...
Posted by: Diogenes at March 15, 2017 11:21 AM (0tfLf)

===============

That's the secret of the Horde: We always say that there will be no math, but it just keeps coming up.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 11:22 AM (GrpW6)

472 I enrolled my baby goat in a kick-ass military academy, he looks cool in the hat.

Posted by: Killerdog at March 15, 2017 11:22 AM (AReXo)

473 It'd be funny if Trump should take him up on that, and then donate the money to the RNC or something.
--

Yeah, they brought that up at ZeroHedge, but didn't believe that Brock would pay up.

Also... the pic they used was creepy. Remember "pizzagate?" The owner of Comet Pizza is Brock's ex boyfriend.

Best comment?


"Maybe if folks started offering cash for legally obtained cocaine and heroin, society would suddenly become crime free.

This guy has saved us all. It's a miracle."

Posted by: shibumi at March 15, 2017 11:22 AM (FkAXz)

474 I think you have put your finger on the problem.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2017 11:19 AM (ZO497)

Heh. Could be!

Real Life Math 101 for Dummies should be taught to every high school kid in 'Murica. I think it would solve a lot of issues.

They can skip geometry, that math sucks and is no fun.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 15, 2017 11:23 AM (wmaTe)

475 Funny how no one is the least concerned about reporters gaining access, then nationally reporting on people's tax returns. This goes unaddressed since Joe the Plumber, guilty of nothing more than Obama showing up on his lawn unannounced and embarrassing himself.

Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2017 11:19 AM (n3oGs)




The law doesn't matter when it comes to destroying enemies of the agenda

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2017 11:23 AM (493sH)

476 372 Kindltot


" With a name like Maximus, just hope he doesn't get nick-named "Bigus Dickus" on his rugby team "

Goodness, almost spilled my wine here, laughing *smiley face*

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 11:23 AM (N/OEj)

477 $150 million in income for one year means that Trump doesn't have at least $1 billion total.

-
$150 million here, $150 million there, and pretty soon it begins to add up.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 15, 2017 11:23 AM (Nwg0u)

478 >>That's the secret of the Horde: We always say that there will be no math, but it just keeps coming up.


That's not math.

Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2017 11:24 AM (Gbk/a)

479 Here's my card . . .

Wil E. Coyote
(super genius)

Posted by: simplemind at March 15, 2017 11:24 AM (xVRrG)

480 You gotta have art!

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Brings You Bladerunner: The Musical at March 15, 2017 11:25 AM (hLRSq)

481 382 Mary Poppins etc

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

OK now I've spilled the bloody wine , laughing ...

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 11:26 AM (N/OEj)

482 @452 Hammer, on Jags.

A little, old, Norton Owners Club humour: back when Metropolitan patrol cars on the national motorways were breathed-on 3.8 sedans, motor cyclists referred to them as "Go Faster Laddie" s.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 15, 2017 11:26 AM (H5rtT)

483 Nood. Art.

Posted by: Lord Chancellor johnd01 at March 15, 2017 11:26 AM (ukNFU)

484 467 366 RWC - Team BOHICA

Thanks and it's so nice to get congrats at 2.30am Thursday!

Aussie Bloke and kitties are all asleep..
Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 11:21 AM (N/OEj)


Oh oh. Can you tell us who won the election?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2017 11:26 AM (2x9LM)

485 Real Life Math 101 for Dummies should be taught to every high school kid in 'Murica. I think it would solve a lot of issues.
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I point out , again, that the UNC School of Journalism (rated 4th in the nation) has eliminated requirements for History and Economics. Because, one assumes, those subjects are not relevant to journalists.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2017 11:26 AM (ZO497)

486 478 >>That's the secret of the Horde: We always say that there will be no math, but it just keeps coming up.


That's not math.
Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2017 11:24 AM (Gbk/a)

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Look out! It's behind you!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 11:26 AM (GrpW6)

487 "Finally, one more embarrassment. Remember that kid whose ass-cheeks Emillio Estevez duct-taped in the Breakfast Club? Yeah that kid -- he's got his own shoe on MSNBC, and he's called Chris Hayes."

Possibly the greatest thing ever written.

Posted by: Khan at March 15, 2017 11:26 AM (/tR3J)

488 nood art

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 15, 2017 11:26 AM (wmaTe)

489 New post

Posted by: never enough caffeine at March 15, 2017 11:26 AM (N3JsI)

490 As a guppy in the Land Development World, I will say to get a skyscraper built in New York, or a foreign country takes a lot of moxie.

Posted by: nip at March 15, 2017 11:27 AM (L5nkE)

491
52 Bigger Story is that the are going to reboot the Matrix,
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Not Spiderman? C'mon guys it's been a year at least.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 15, 2017 09:42 AM (lKcIL)








Dood, I've been re-booted so many times I have permanent hobnail holes in my superhero uniform footie pajamas.

Posted by: Spiderman at March 15, 2017 11:27 AM (XWkhW)

492 ZeroHedge asks how do you get legally obtained stolen tax documents?
Posted by: shibumi at March 15, 2017 11:15 AM (FkAXz)


Well, 1.) Trump OKs it, and B.) The IRS commissioner says it is OK and no-one prosecutes.

However, I am sure that if President Trump says "Sure, bring the money in used twenties on Wednesday at 9:00, and make it on time because I have important stuff to do in the afternoon" they will trot right down with a moving van packed with boxes.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 15, 2017 11:27 AM (WQX/u)

493 Come on, you shouldn't be so hard on April Ryan, she is a star for the "Urban" Radio Network.

From first grade on, she was always given straight "A"s in her "Maths is hard! Just show up and please try not to do drugs in the classroom" courses.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 15, 2017 11:28 AM (V2Yro)

494 This has been great fun. I suppose it's time now to start girding my loins for the dental appointment. Crown replacement. Apparently, crowns do not last forever, but must be periodically replaced, due to some entropy thingy.

Oh well, at least it will be better than laser gum surgery. That was not fun. Not fun at all.

Posted by: kraken at March 15, 2017 11:29 AM (zSVEm)

495 It's probably been said upthread but-

The way rich people get rich and stay rich is by accruing a large amount of investment principle monies-

and then investing those monies to generate some form of dividend or interest.

But, and here's the point-

You never ever touch the principle for whatever. That stays invested.

Depending on circumstances(interest rates, etc) your yearly spendable income can vary but you will never be poor because-

you never touch that big bulk o'cash.

In Trump's case, his principle is invested in real estate, land, and resorts.

Whatever they generate is what he makes.

Apparently, progtards have a hard time understanding this.


But, it's such a well-known principle of the rich that even Nelson DeMille in his novel "The Gold Coast" quotes the whole 'you never touch the principle thing" and the reasoning behind it.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 15, 2017 11:29 AM (9q7Dl)

496 If Trump averaged 150 million a year for 10 years, wait for it, math says he would have 1.5 billion .

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 15, 2017 11:30 AM (TpMXn)

497 >>> "$150 million in income for one year means that Trump doesn't have at least $1 billion total.
.......

You get taxed on income, not assets. Trying to tax one year of income (also, a year that Trump was supposed to be in pretty bad shape) and trying to determine current net worth is an exercise in stupidity.

In Trump's case, it's even weirder. His primary asset his the Trump brand. Valuation of intangible assets can be murky at best.

Add that to property. If you own a home, how much has the value changed between 2005 and now? Now apply that to the properties Trump owns and add a variance for properties in development, etc. that are likely on the books for a value far different than market value on completion.

Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2017 11:31 AM (n3oGs)

498 449 "It's not even about what he has saved, it's the value of the real estate. You may own a building worth $100,000,000 but it only pays you 5,000,000 a year in rental income (at a 5% cap rate).

Are you worth $100,000,000 or $5,000,000?

I think anyone with half a brain knows the answer to that question."


RE investments, particularly hotels & casinos have seen large fluctuations in FMV over last few decades - and most of these are highly leveraged financings, so it is expected that when Trump's Net Worth or Billionaire Status will fluctuate as well
- i.e. Atlantic City holdings

Another Point that I think that she (and I have to assume the majority of Bernie / Hillary voters that insist on tax the top 1%) is this differential point that when we talk about Billionaires that is wealth, not income.

If they really think Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, and the SnapChat Founders' status of being in the Billionaire club is tied to them pocketing >$1B per annum, them they are sorely in dire need of understanding these basics principles.

Yesterday: RUSSIA
Today: TAXES
Tomorrow: RUSSIAN TAXES?

Posted by: Carlos Danger at March 15, 2017 11:32 AM (fFfWq)

499 "Whatever they generate is what he makes."

Once again, what a guy with a lot of real estate claims as income in a single year doesn't necessarily correlate to his net worth.

Bloomberg says Trump is worth $3.5 billion. He's highly likely to be worth at least that and likely a lot more, as Bloomberg has incomplete information.



Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2017 11:32 AM (SIY7D)

500 Trump was born for this moment. A fella who has spent his entire adulthood playing one of the hardest non-lethal (pretty much) games in the world: NY real estate investment.

Tough competition, and most of the players are smart and ruthless. Big Money on the table. One walks out smiling.

Compared to a NYC macher, these cable news nitwits are the easiest marks in town. And don't get me started on the rubes working for the NYT and the (hahahahahaha) Washington Post. Move along, pilgrims.

Posted by: mrp at March 15, 2017 11:34 AM (Pqytn)

501 393 IC

" Aussie, I loved the Dandenong area and the Yarra Valley when we were in Melbourne a few years ago... "

Yes, it is lovely, and now you've mentioned it I will make sure we go there again soon

Goodness I'll have to give up work to travel everywhere, but sadly , to pay for travel. I have to work!

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 11:35 AM (N/OEj)

502
DoJ having a press conference about the hacking of Yahoo. I'd like to see that lefty ditz Marissa Meyer get some jail time for being so ragingly incompetent.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2017 11:36 AM (493sH)

503 Yeah Rachel Maddow opened up Capone's Vault and they're scrambling to find a way its not humiliating and bad for her and them by association.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2017 11:37 AM (39g3+)

504 357 Aussie.

Congratulations! May mother, father and baby be blessed.

Grandchildren are the only true wealth.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 15, 2017 11:38 AM (u82oZ)

505 402 Stringer Davis

" Little Maximus"?
[quick-checks the Big Book of Diminutives]

Why, in Austrian, that's "Maximilian."
Of course, only one person here actually speaks Austrian... "

Yes, however I also speak Austrian as I was born in Vienna

Not too far from where Hitler was born *Linz*

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 11:39 AM (N/OEj)

506 404 joncelli

" Make sure to spoil him -- grandma's privilege! "

Yes, that's my job!

My dear 4yo grandson, when he sees me - his first words are "What's in your handbag for me Oma?"

Always have a little treat in there for him, like a Matchbox car or a bubble thingie..

I get told off for spoiling him but hey, that's my job!

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 11:43 AM (N/OEj)

507 Posted by: naturalfake at March 15, 2017 11:29 AM (9q7Dl)

Not a bad summary, but you left out a few things.

First, you're leaving out leveraging debt. Let say you want to invest $1. If you're in the business, you will borrow exponentially on the dollar- as much as you can get away with. Now, instead of making a $1 investment, maybe it's $10. Let's say it's real estate. You by $5 in land, put $5 of improvements on it and sell it for $15. You make $14 on $1 less interest and taxes.

Next, see my post at 497. Particularly the part of the majority of Trump's net worth being based on the intangible Trump brand. On that along, Trump could say, "my brand is worth 10 billion" and someone else could say, "Nah, i will give you $10 and not a penny more". Both and neither would be technically correct at that moment.

It's not much different than someone saying a old, broken item that they inherited from their great great grandmother is "priceless". To them, this is 100% accurate. Since they would not sell it at any price, it is indeed priceless to everyone. Then they die and the estate auction people show up and sell the item for $1 along with a box of $2 dog biscuits.

Net worth is far more complex than anyone trying to multiply income for one year understands.

Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2017 11:45 AM (n3oGs)

508 Dirty jobs guy, I'm going out on a limb here and say you don't own income property. That is all.

Posted by: jukin Former Republican at March 15, 2017 11:46 AM (ydXYy)

509 You're welcome.

Sincerely,

Posted by: Guy Who Wrote $38 mil Check and Got a Lecture Instead of a "Thank You" at March 15, 2017 11:47 AM (Ndje9)

510 434 BurtTC

" Yes, Lewis is a worthy follow-up to the Morse series, and if you have not yet seen it, please find the Endeavor series. Which is a prequel to Morse, set in the 60s, when Morse would have been a Constable (and now Sergeant??).

It's still running, and to be quite honest, I think it's better than either of its predecessors. "

Thanks for that - I don't think I've seen this before - must look up all the channels and then investigate DVDs when I can't find it!

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 11:48 AM (N/OEj)

511 I don't know the broad.

Posted by: Al Capone at March 15, 2017 11:52 AM (Ndje9)

512 484 RWC etc

" Oh oh. Can you tell us who won the election? "

No , sorry - I'm too busy reading comments here...

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 11:53 AM (N/OEj)

513 Thanks, Rachel! It's on you now!

Posted by: Lois Lerner at March 15, 2017 11:53 AM (Ndje9)

514 What's next? Peak coal?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2017 10:03 AM (GrpW6)

Not to mention that PVC plastic, aka vinyl, from which records are made, is manufactured, like most plastics, from natural gas feedstock.

But you could make it from coal tar, or soybeans, should the need arise.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 15, 2017 11:58 AM (WDdjT)

515 504 NaCly Dog



" Congratulations! May mother, father and baby be blessed.

Grandchildren are the only true wealth. "

Thank you for these lovely words!

As much as I love the adults in my family, I get the most pleasure from my dear grandkids...

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 11:59 AM (N/OEj)

516 I'll not migrate upstairs as it's 3am

So nightynight to the stragglers here and have a wonderful yesterday!

Posted by: Aussie at March 15, 2017 12:01 PM (N/OEj)

517 I'll throw another money wrench into the "hey, let's multiply income and try to get net worth" debate.

Let's say you have zero dollars in cash, but a bunch of stock. Your net worth is whatever that stock happens to be trading for at that second.

You hear about an estate sale, selling an old barn. Instead of selling the stock, someone agrees to lend you a percentage of that value of the stock so you can go bid on the barn. You're the only person who shows up for the auction, so you get the barn for $1. You call a real estate guy who says that the market value of your new barn is $10,000. You pay back all the money you borrowed against your stock (since you didn't use it) minus $1. You are now worth $9,999 + the current value of your stock- interest due on your $1 loan. You have no cash again, nor do you have any reportable income (unless your stock gained value, but let's assume it lost value since you've owned it).

You go into your new barn and find a rare Ferrari buried under a bunch of hay. Now you're worth Ferrari+ barn+stock- interest due.

This all happened on 12/31. Your interest payment is due on 1/31. You file your taxes and report the prior year loss on your stock value as a deduction and zero income. The govement sends you a check for EITC since you had no income. You use that check to pay back your dollar loan and interest.

You pay back

Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2017 12:03 PM (n3oGs)

518 Chelsea is going to trot out a tweet later
Posted by: Rick in SK at March 15, 2017 10:04 AM (FZYNt)

Chelsea is going trotting? I knew she had a horse face but trotting too...

Posted by: Killerdog at March 15, 2017 12:03 PM (AReXo)

519 still not tired of winning...just saying.

Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at March 15, 2017 12:10 PM (UgF8H)

520 I must add something. Trump comes off as a goof, a nut, a provocateur.

I've decided Trump is a genius. Anyone want to bet HE gave these files to that numbskull Maddow? Made it look like she just came across them? Now the master play - sue her for having his private files. I mean, taxes returns are private - how'd she get them unless it was illegally?

My god, after all this time, there is literally nothing there. Trump knew there was nothing there - that is why he didn't release his taxes - just to allow them to make idiots of themselves demanding them.

Well played sir, well played.

Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at March 15, 2017 12:13 PM (UgF8H)

521 Madcow made me laugh last night. I did not actually "see" the old bat live, but reading about her nervous bug-eyed blather was good enough for me.

It is the Trump Boomerang Effect.

They never learn. Good.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at March 15, 2017 12:27 PM (fq4ih)

522 Has anybody mentioned this -were talking only about
federal income tax he paid in one year. What about state
income tax, property tax, sales tax etc? I don't want to know
as it is none of my business -but the man probably pays a
lot more in taxes than what was revealed last night.

Posted by: Glenn John at March 15, 2017 12:35 PM (LilNs)

523 I forgot, is "throw shade" African-American vernacular or gay vernacular? Maybe both?

Posted by: Pete in Texas at March 15, 2017 12:40 PM (mbaUH)

524 Oooh, movie review with pictures!

Posted by: LizLem at March 15, 2017 12:52 PM (hvf9s)

525 I always wonder when people say that Trump is not a great businessman and would have more money had he just put his inheritance in the stock market --

Didn't his siblings inherit the same amount? Are they billionaires?

Posted by: Alix at March 15, 2017 01:02 PM (iaotW)

526 Ace is lit fo sho. I lizzled my izzle off

Posted by: grandmalcaesar at March 15, 2017 01:23 PM (yrohn)

527 She's Sideshow Rachel, stepping on Trump rakes at every turn.

Posted by: GuardAmerican at March 15, 2017 02:16 PM (GBnWt)

528 test: æ

Posted by: hogmartin at March 15, 2017 02:40 PM (8nWyX)

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