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Interesting: To Prove Gender Bias, a University Had a Male Actor Read Hillary's Debate Lines, and a Female Actor Read Trump's. The Results Were... Unexpected.

It was an experiment in, ahem, "re-gendering" the debates. A male actor would play Hillary's role, but renamed "Jonathan Gordon." A female actor would play Trump's role, renamed "Brenda King."

The actors rehearsed to try to mimic each actual participant's cadence, body language, gestures, and facial expressions.


People assumed that the experiment would prove Hillary lost the election due to her gender.

People were surprised to find that assumptions to be wrong.


"I've never had an audience be so articulate about something so immediately after the performance," Salvatore says of the cathartic discussions. "For me, watching people watch it was so informative. People across the board were surprised that their expectations about what they were going to experience were upended."

Many were shocked to find that they couldn't seem to find in Jonathan Gordon what they had admired in Hillary Clinton--or that Brenda King's clever tactics seemed to shine in moments where they'd remembered Donald Trump flailing or lashing out. For those Clinton voters trying to make sense of the loss, it was by turns bewildering and instructive, raising as many questions about gender performance and effects of sexism as it answered...

They did have to change a little bit about the debates, like Hillary saying "When I was First Lady" (wouldn't make sense to have the male version of Hillary say that), but otherwise the actors attempted to duplicate what actually happened.

Here's a short clip, maybe of a rehearsal or something. Or maybe it was just staged in small rooms. I dunno.

Here's a killer quote:

We heard a lot of "now I understand how this happened" -- meaning how Trump won the election. People got upset. There was a guy two rows in front of me who was literally holding his head in his hands, and the person with him was rubbing his back. The simplicity of Trump's message became easier for people to hear when it was coming from a woman--that was a theme. One person said, "I'm just so struck by how precise Trumpís technique is.

More proof that they've literally gone crazy, that they're reacting like this to having some small-beans mental applecarts overturned.

If you can't take this minor prick of your assumptions, what the hell can you take?

It seems to me that Hillary's gender actually covered up her flaws, such as inauthenticity, scriptedness, recitations of pablum, and fake-smiling, while, when she was played by a male actor, those flaws were suddenly very visible to the people who think of themselves as "gender-woke" but maybe should just think of themselves as gender partisans.

Though I have to also admit: Another effect of the gender reversal is to make Donald Trump's aggressiveness and bluntness sound more reasonable and less grunt-bark.

It could be that the gender reversal revealed that a lot of Hillary's aggressiveness towards Trump was actually aggressive, which had been missed when it was a woman acting aggressively towards a man. And likewise, Trump's less frequent aggressiveness seemed really aggressive when it was a man speaking to a woman, but seems much less so when performed by a woman speaking to a man.

So I also have to admit, the stuff they claim that the performance will provoke people to "rethink the complexity of easy gender assumptions" might not be as total bullshit as their total bullshit usually is.

Thanks to @zakn.

Posted by: Ace at 06:36 PM




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1 Hmmm.....It was the Russians!

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 07, 2017 06:30 PM (le7jz)

2 I would love to see the whole thing - they only posted a 2 min clip.

Yes, the guy playing Hillary comes off as a square who is proud of non-existent accomplishments. Just as annoying as Hillary, despite not having the Haggard Queens gating voice.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 07, 2017 06:31 PM (NOIQH)

3
I didn't know dipsomaniac was a gender. You learn something new every day.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 07, 2017 06:33 PM (mbhDw)

4 Vote for me, I have a... (fill in the blank)

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at March 07, 2017 06:34 PM (MINbv)

5 "I saw one quote where someone said, 'Now I understand how this all happened,' or words to that effect."

My favorite quote was about the guy in the audience with his head in his hands, presumably in despair at the realization of where Hillary had so badly failed them, and his companion rubbing the disconsolate fellow's back in an attempt to comfort him.

Ah, tears of unfathomable sadness. Make mine a double, straight up, with a beer back, willya?

Posted by: torquewrench at March 07, 2017 06:34 PM (noWW6)

6 Get along corgis is a new one to me anyway

Posted by: Skip at March 07, 2017 06:34 PM (HDU3V)

7 I'm confused. Did the male actor get blackout drunk, take cocktails of Amphetemines and Valium, and receive blood transfusions "donated" by little kids from China?

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 07, 2017 06:34 PM (2qHjF)

8 I didn't watch the video. Was the man tossed like a side of beef?

Posted by: E.Valley AZ at March 07, 2017 06:35 PM (DMYwi)

9 but Trump is Hitler!
Did the woman doing the Trump role go Heil or denounce the Juden?
No?
Not authentic then.

and I read most of the post, too.

And Keith Olbermann is a twat.

Posted by: Mallfly Cloggenstein of Obamaland VT at March 07, 2017 06:35 PM (b7fwp)

10 Everything is an outrage. It started as a pose, a recreation, and now they are addicted.

Posted by: kraken at March 07, 2017 06:35 PM (zSVEm)

11 If you can't take this minor prick"

Don't worry, it will only feel like a pinch...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at March 07, 2017 06:35 PM (MINbv)

12 Interesting: To Prove Gender Bias, a University Had a Male Actor Read Hillary's Debate Lines, and a Female Actor Read Trump's. The Results Were... Unexpected.

I'm going to wait until they do the midget version.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 07, 2017 06:35 PM (zc3Db)

13 That scrunt will never be prezzie. Woo hoo.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 07, 2017 06:36 PM (P+0wS)

14 It never gets old after lifting weights after getting my pump on for my GAINZZZ to laugh like a maniac yelling Hillary Clinton will never be president!

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 07, 2017 06:36 PM (2qHjF)

15 >>'m confused. Did the male actor get blackout drunk, take cocktails of
Amphetemines and Valium, and receive blood transfusions "donated" by
little kids from China?


Nope, but he is condescending and smiles a lot. The actors studied their gestures and tone to make it authentic. Apparent;y the guy's smiles were annoying.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 07, 2017 06:36 PM (NOIQH)

16 Is it just me...or might it have less to do with gender and more to do with hysterical love of her and hate of him?

I mean, what if they just read the statements of each without knowing who to hate?

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 07, 2017 06:37 PM (gTQoY)

17 12,
I want the Taiwanese animated version...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at March 07, 2017 06:37 PM (MINbv)

18 I didn't know dipsomaniac was a gender. You learn something new every day.



That's the XXR chromosome. Since I was recently advised that there is more than XX & XY.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2017 06:37 PM (4Ru5B)

19 It's interesting because I was concerned before the debates that Trump would have a moment to pale the whole "Lazio crosses the stage and invades the zone of uterus" thing (and Hillary partisans were salivating for something, anything to turn into that). They tried some of that nonsense but it didn't stick this time, probably because she's even more evil and less sympathetic than she was a few decades ago.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at March 07, 2017 06:37 PM (y/9kR)

20 Where did they find an iron board cover that would fit the male physique?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 07, 2017 06:38 PM (8ZskC)

21 Hillary is the most accomplished woman in all of history. Was that made clear? Did they show the part of the third debate where she was making cole slaw and pirogies while explaining where Hayek's criticism of Keynes was invalid?

Posted by: Mallfly Cloggenstein of Obamaland VT at March 07, 2017 06:38 PM (b7fwp)

22 , what if they just read the statements of each without knowing who to hate?"

That's racist, I think.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at March 07, 2017 06:38 PM (MINbv)

23 I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest a major reason you lost is because you've reached the point where two men see nothing wrong with rubbing one another's backs in public when their Feelzzz are bad.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 07, 2017 06:38 PM (/f1mm)

24 So I also have to admit, the stuff they claim that the performance will provoke people to "rethink the complexity of easy gender assumptions" might not be as total bullshit as their total bullshit usually is.


Nah. It's total bullshit.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 07, 2017 06:39 PM (8ZskC)

25 Watched clip, would be neat to have whole thing

Posted by: Skip at March 07, 2017 06:39 PM (HDU3V)

26 That's the XXR chromosome. "

Can I get the XXL chromosome?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at March 07, 2017 06:40 PM (MINbv)

27 So, without the cover of gender, the unlikeability of Hillary was obvious?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 07, 2017 06:40 PM (LTHVh)

28 WHY AREN'T I 50 POINTS AHEAD YOU MIGHT ASK!?!

How anyone could listen to this drunken old lunatic for more than a few minutes without wanting to stick ice picks in their ears is a mystery to me.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 07, 2017 06:40 PM (/tuJf)

29 I mean, whoa, stop the presses.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 07, 2017 06:40 PM (LTHVh)

30 test

Posted by: toddler at March 07, 2017 06:40 PM (vtiv1)

31 Don't misunderstand, btw. If it's a son/father relationship there's nothing wrong with a quick gripping of the shoulder to let the pussy know he needs to buck up.

I'm not a monster, after all.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 07, 2017 06:40 PM (/f1mm)

32 Trump: buck buck buck.
Hillary: cluck cluck cluck!

MSM: Hillary was the clear winner...

Posted by: Mallfly Cloggenstein of Obamaland VT at March 07, 2017 06:41 PM (b7fwp)

33 LOL!!

My favorite quote was about the guy in the audience with his head in his hands, presumably in despair at the realization of where Hillary had so badly failed them, and his companion rubbing the disconsolate fellow's back in an attempt to comfort him.

The Messiah has failed us!

*spit*

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 07, 2017 06:41 PM (qoAfa)

34 How anyone could listen to this drunken old lunatic for more than a few minutes without wanting to stick ice picks in their ears is a mystery to me.


That was our girl.

Posted by: Big Icepick at March 07, 2017 06:41 PM (8ZskC)

35 Krauthammer just said there is zero evidence that Trump Tower with wiretapped. I am so confused on all this.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 07, 2017 06:42 PM (K7A0z)

36 wey hey I'm back!!!! good to be able to post again.

so no, I didn't read the post now that I've posted.

ya know, tradition and all that...

Posted by: toddler at March 07, 2017 06:42 PM (vtiv1)

37 Maybe they should try reinventing Hillary as "the Oracle"

Posted by: Ben Had at March 07, 2017 06:42 PM (0FgLk)

38 Don't misunderstand, btw. If it's a son/father relationship there's nothing wrong with a quick gripping of the shoulder to let the pussy know he needs to buck up.

I'm not a monster, after all.


The old punch to the deltoids and a smiling 'Suck up, bitch.' should do the trick.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 07, 2017 06:42 PM (LTHVh)

39 Did they do a version of a guy presenting Lavrov with an "Overcharged" button in one of the stupidest and most ridiculous diplomatic entrees in all of history .... and then being even dumber than it appeared by prompting Lavrov with, "Did we get the translation correct? We worked very hard on it."??

Because that would have all been fine if the SecState had been a guy. Guys do that sort of shit all the time.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 07, 2017 06:42 PM (zc3Db)

40 Dennis Miller

A reporter just asked Sec. Price with a straight face (a straight two face?) if he could guarantee that "If you like your Doctor you can keep your Doctor." #throughthelookingglass

Willowed

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 07, 2017 06:42 PM (y3aQB)

41 Women make terrible political candidates.

Right or Left, it usually ends in a train wreck.

something for conservatives to remember the next time they think a female candidate is going to make them invincible

Even women hate other women when they get down in the gutter

Posted by: Jonestown at March 07, 2017 06:42 PM (j57YP)

42 Does that m ran that Trump voters aren't sexist? That they vote on political positions not genitalia? Nah - that can't be right.

Posted by: DamnCat at March 07, 2017 06:42 PM (Zgp3D)

43 Well....marxists are taught to only hear what a good comrade is saying and for anyone else, especially a Capitalist Lackey Running Dog like President Trump all they hear out of the enemy of the people is "blah, blah,blah" like Charlie Brown's mom.

Now by switching the gender roles, the good marxist hears the Imperialist Oppressor's actual words coming from a member of an oppressed class and they still hear "blah, blah, blah" in the back round but are in disbelief when the truth actually makes it to their medulla oblongota.

You know, like an alligator who has to brush all those teeth.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 07, 2017 06:42 PM (5VlCp)

44 I saw the clip, and a male Hillary is still preferable to a female Hillary.

Posted by: gewa76 at March 07, 2017 06:43 PM (B6OKy)

45 Krauthammer just said there is zero evidence that Trump Tower with wiretapped. I am so confused on all this.
Posted by: Jen the original at March 07, 2017 06:42 PM (K7A0z)

I'm sure he knows all about it.
After all, he's part of the Media.

Posted by: kraken at March 07, 2017 06:43 PM (zSVEm)

46 It seems to me that Hillary's gender actually covered up her flaws

Boy do we know this!

Posted by: Every employee working for a female diversity hire, Ever at March 07, 2017 06:43 PM (kD8Fh)

47 I read this earlier, it was cronut

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 07, 2017 06:43 PM (6Ll1u)

48 Posted by: Jen the original at March 07, 2017 06:42 PM (K7A0z)

Krauthammer voted for Mondale over Reagan & is now inside the Beltway Stooge

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 07, 2017 06:43 PM (y3aQB)

49 It would have been a more effective demonstration if the Hillary character answered his/her/xer debate questions using only the 14 responses from the Magic 8-Ball.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 07, 2017 06:43 PM (8ZskC)

50 They assumed Trump was stupid.

I'll bet good money they still think that; have retreated back to that comfort.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 07, 2017 06:43 PM (AmMfi)

51 The real test they should do is have Sarah Palin read Hillary's lines.

Posted by: gewa76 at March 07, 2017 06:44 PM (B6OKy)

52 A reporter just asked Sec. Price with a straight face (a straight two face?) if he could guarantee that "If you like your Doctor you can keep your Doctor." #throughthelookingglass

Willowed

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 07, 2017 06:42 PM (y3aQB)


With BarkyCare having fvcked everything up the more important concern, now, is "If I don't like my doctor can I change my doctor?"

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 07, 2017 06:44 PM (zc3Db)

53 HA - HA !

*wanders off to find something to drink*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/7 at March 07, 2017 06:46 PM (Oeb2k)

54 Interesting part of that experiment is the bias of revealed in the researchers. If you read it you'll notice all kinds of fascinating biases that are brought to the experiment on the behalf of the researchers and how the researchers aren't necessarily even cognizant that they are exposing their own strictures and assumptions in the very framing of the experiment. Overall it's a fascinating sociological experiment.

Posted by: alexthechick at March 07, 2017 06:46 PM (tZE4d)

55 Krauthammer just said there is zero evidence that Trump Tower with wiretapped. I am so confused on all this

No evidence. Just multiple reports from anonymous government sources. Kinda like the shit that got Flynn canned and Sessions to recuse.

Posted by: gewa76 at March 07, 2017 06:46 PM (B6OKy)

56 http://bit.ly/2mgD7sJ
====
'Ramsay Talks' backs away from Khizr Khan story, 'You'd best check with him'

willowed

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 07, 2017 06:46 PM (y3aQB)

57 Has anyone (Heard Levin a bit) put a timeline or data base of all the Leftist media reports mentioning wire taps, surveillance or leaks that report about Trump or associates?

Posted by: Skip at March 07, 2017 06:47 PM (HDU3V)

58 Did they do a version of a guy presenting Lavrov with an "Overcharged" button in one of the stupidest and most ridiculous diplomatic entrees in all of history .... and then being even dumber than it appeared by prompting Lavrov with, "Did we get the translation correct? We worked very hard on it."??

Because that would have all been fine if the SecState had been a guy. Guys do that sort of shit all the time.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 07, 2017 06:42 PM (zc3Db)

**************

You got it wrong.

Posted by: Russian Ambassador at March 07, 2017 06:47 PM (C+qQ0)

59 My favorite quote was about the guy in the audience with his head in his hands, presumably in despair at the realization of where Hillary had so badly failed them, and his companion rubbing the disconsolate fellow's back in an attempt to comfort him.

They were re-enacting the scene at the Javits Center, also with the genders reversed.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 07, 2017 06:47 PM (10LGw)

60 Ok, now perform the same experiment with a Republican woman and Democratic man (e.g., reverse the gender roles in the Palin/Biden debates), and tell me what the reactions are like. Does DW to RM has the same affect as RW to DM?

Posted by: not the mama at March 07, 2017 06:47 PM (EpAnP)

61 now, the key is for them to continue this and realize that their biases are real and they are projecting the majority of their self onto their enemies.

Posted by: toddler at March 07, 2017 06:48 PM (vtiv1)

62
What this tells me is that during the election these lefty "elites" didn't bother listening to the content of either candidate's campaign. Yet in this artificial forum, they actually DID listen to the content.

Nothing to do with gender, just the usual leftist cocksuckers in the reality-based community ignoring reality.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 07, 2017 06:48 PM (cuZZW)

63 There was something similar covered on an ONT a few months back. Some job interview site was trying to find if there was some sex bias going on so they would have some voices altered so the interviewee might be male but the voice sounded female and vice versa. The results proved that there wasn't a bias against the women.

Posted by: buzzion at March 07, 2017 06:48 PM (z/Ubi)

64 Yeah because not voting for a stupid, histrionically criminal, jaw-droppingly corrupt, sociopathic, failed sub-mediocrity championing idiotic disastrous policies can only be explained by ...... that sub-mediocrity's "gender".


It's not reductionist, it's mostly clarifying and time-efficient, to just note that these people are not very bright. But they now control (most of) our lives, and that's not going to change, much.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 07, 2017 06:48 PM (QDnY+)

65 Hillary sounded just as stupid coming from a male.

Posted by: Afroman at March 07, 2017 06:48 PM (nJC2z)

66 >>>You know, like an alligator who has to brush all those teeth.

Mama says an alligator is ornery cuz he got all those teeth but no toothbrush!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 07, 2017 06:48 PM (Ap4Ev)

67 55
Krauthammer just said there is zero evidence that Trump Tower with wiretapped. I am so confused on all this



No evidence. Just multiple reports from anonymous government
sources. Kinda like the shit that got Flynn canned and Sessions to
recuse.

Posted by: gewa76 at March 07, 2017 06:46 PM (B6OKy)

and the front page of the NYTimes, but yeah, no evidence...

Posted by: toddler at March 07, 2017 06:49 PM (vtiv1)

68 Hillary is horrible in person. You have to be wearing a kind of Beer Goggles not to see this.

Recall that clip where they had some Brit re-read Trump.

A lot of Americans can hear past Trump's rough bombast, and didn't need the Brit translation

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 07, 2017 06:49 PM (SIY7D)

69 I like the "it takes years and years of training--often including a college education--just to learn how to NOT understand Trump" that they revealed.

Meanwhile, millions and millions heard what Trump said, understood what Trump said and--horrors--liked what Trump said.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 07, 2017 06:49 PM (AmMfi)

70 Krouthammer is 100% percent certain that there isn't any cabbage in sauerkraut. .

Posted by: Max Power at March 07, 2017 06:49 PM (q177U)

71 Heard Levin this morning ( from last night show) a New York times reporter in January reporting on leaks of wire taps or other surveillance on Trump.

Posted by: Skip at March 07, 2017 06:50 PM (HDU3V)

72 So.

It wasn't because Hillary was a woman?
It was just because she was an empty politician with no message, but too much baggage?

Posted by: rd at March 07, 2017 06:50 PM (iT57s)

73 In creepy news I did my last comment via text to speech on the phone and it got all of those words right. Considering the peculiarities of my speech pattern and that I am sitting under a hair dryer that's impressive.

Posted by: alexthechick at March 07, 2017 06:51 PM (tZE4d)

74 So who is the poster boy of the neocons? Krauthammer?

Posted by: kraken at March 07, 2017 06:51 PM (zSVEm)

75 Why didn't they post the clip with the guy playing the Hillary role passing out and getting shoved in a van by his entourage? I'd watch that one.

Posted by: not the mama at March 07, 2017 06:51 PM (EpAnP)

76 Far too many people have conspicuously incorporated politics as a part of their personality.

This is what happens.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 07, 2017 06:51 PM (4YGWz)

77 61 now, the key is for them to continue this and realize that their biases are real and they are projecting the majority of their self onto their enemies.
Posted by: toddler at March 07, 2017 06:48 PM (vtiv1)


...and you thought the explosion of Tsar Bomba was loud?

But, ..... that, will never happen.

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 07, 2017 06:51 PM (qoAfa)

78 I guess when the snowflakes heard a male call his opponent's supporters "deplorables" it didn't seem like a very effective campaign tactic.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 07, 2017 06:52 PM (8ZskC)

79 they claim that the performance will provoke people to "rethink the complexity of easy gender assumptions"

...and so it must never be seen again.

Posted by: t-bird at March 07, 2017 06:52 PM (/cksx)

80 Nah.. still genderless bullshit.

Posted by: Pamazon at March 07, 2017 06:52 PM (NNdb5)

81 I awaiting the Romney/Obama reversal.

Without revealing who is who.

Would pay good money to see the shock (temporary, until they retreat back to their safe space) of realization that it is they who are the racists.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 07, 2017 06:52 PM (AmMfi)

82 73 In creepy news I did my last comment via text to speech on the phone and it got all of those words right. Considering the peculiarities of my speech pattern and that I am sitting under a hair dryer that's impressive.
Posted by: alexthechick at March 07, 2017 06:51 PM (tZE4d)

The NSA transmorgrifier has improved over the years.

Posted by: kraken at March 07, 2017 06:52 PM (zSVEm)

83 In the future, our sumulacrons will all have one ball and a large lump above a shallow hole where the genitals should go in order to obfuscate our gender. For equality. Our actual consciousness will hide in shame. and sob.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 07, 2017 06:53 PM (LWu6U)

84 "Gender woke"?


Is that like "morning wood"?

Posted by: eleven at March 07, 2017 06:53 PM (qUNWi)

85
Hillary is horrible in person. You have to be wearing a kind of Beer Goggles not to see this.

Recall that clip where they had some Brit re-read Trump.

A lot of Americans can hear past Trump's rough bombast, and didn't need the Brit translation
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 07, 2017 06:49 PM (SIY7D)


Hillary was horrible in person?

How would anyone know? No one came to her rallies.

----

I remember the British man reading Trump's speeches.
Everyone said how cultured and refined he sounded.

Posted by: rd at March 07, 2017 06:53 PM (iT57s)

86 35 Krauthammer just said there is zero evidence that Trump Tower with wiretapped. I am so confused on all this.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 07, 2017 06:42 PM (K7A0z)

Wasn't Hillary amazingly somehow tweeting about it in October?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 07, 2017 06:53 PM (/f1mm)

87 81 I awaiting the Romney/Obama reversal.

Without revealing who is who.

Would pay good money to see the shock (temporary, until they retreat back to their safe space) of realization that it is they who are the racists.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 07, 2017 06:52 PM (AmMfi)


So would I. Just two shadow heads projected onto the screen. Word for word.

Priceless.

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 07, 2017 06:54 PM (qoAfa)

88 Did the male actor portraying Hillary! have a big fat ass?

Posted by: davidt at March 07, 2017 06:55 PM (XoldI)

89 The lady playing Trump didn't sound shrill either.

There's a lot more that happened, of course. Hillary disappeared for large parts of the campaign, the stroke in NYC, the empty canned stock answers, and even she bought into the idea that she was going to steamroll Trump because woman and zomg can you believe Donald Trump?

Also no theme. Bill kept hitting on this behind the scenes, apparently, that you've got to have a message. The tween faggots running her campaign snarked off Bill. Big mistake. Billy is a sleazy guy, but he's a master politician who won two presidential campaigns. Ignoring the truth bombs he was dropping was a YUGE mistake.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 07, 2017 06:56 PM (4ErVI)

90 @83- Think Allen Rickman in "Dogma"

Posted by: Ben Had at March 07, 2017 06:56 PM (0FgLk)

91 Ace, about that study music in the sidebar:

I think that is the sound of my tinnitus slowed down to 33-1/3

Posted by: Kindltot at March 07, 2017 06:56 PM (WQX/u)

92 52 A reporter just asked Sec. Price with a straight face (a straight two face?) if he could guarantee that "If you like your Doctor you can keep your Doctor."
====

Heh.

If you have a conservative-ish representative, this seems like a good time to get in touch. I called ours (freshman Trey Hollingsworth) and wrote a letter on paper. I used a red crayon, so he'd know I hadn't just copied it from the internet.

Respectfully yours,

Geronimo Stilton

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 07, 2017 06:56 PM (10LGw)

93 Hey everybody, try ObamaCare Light!
Tastes great, less filling!

Posted by: Paul Rhino and the Pollywogs at March 07, 2017 06:57 PM (HgMAr)

94 My favorite quote was about the guy in the audience with his head in his hands, presumably in despair at the realization of where Hillary had so badly failed them, and his companion rubbing the disconsolate fellow's back in an attempt to comfort him.



He was trying to get him to take a sip of penis.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2017 06:57 PM (4Ru5B)

95 "Heard Levin this morning ( from last night show) a New York times reporter in January reporting on leaks of wire taps or other surveillance on Trump."

Posted this yesterday: There's a Jan 20 NYT headline above the fold on page one that says: Wiretapped Data Used in Inquiry of Trump Aides

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 07, 2017 06:57 PM (SIY7D)

96
I'll bet good money they still think that; have retreated back to that comfort.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 07, 2017 06:43 PM (AmMfi)


I think the wiretap story proves your point. The media has rushed head long into the Trump is an out of control lose cannon with his early am tweets meme without stopping to think that PDT is in reality president and has access to more intelligence info than they could ever dream of having and he might be setting a trap to dicredit them.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 07, 2017 06:57 PM (lKyWE)

97 I didn't know dipsomaniac was a gender. You learn something new every day.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton
------------

Conversely, 'stumble bum' is a genderless reference. I'm increasingly grateful to the SJW's for bringing these grammatical nuances to fore.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 07, 2017 06:58 PM (eeTCA)

98 Anyone else getting autoplay audio commercials that can't be turned of other than muting? I didn't get them until today. Is Obama hacking Ace?

Posted by: Leland at March 07, 2017 06:58 PM (D4rQ6)

99 Did the male actor portraying Hillary! have a big fat ass?


Posted by: davidt at March 07, 2017 06:55 PM (XoldI)
.........

and googly eyes?

Posted by: wth at March 07, 2017 06:58 PM (HgMAr)

100 I'm impressed people actually did this. No one likes their expectations upended.

Posted by: Mega at March 07, 2017 06:58 PM (EdXI9)

101 Ace:

"People assumed that the experiment would prove Hillary lost the election due to her gender.

People were surprised to find that assumptions to be wrong.

Many were shocked to find that they couldn't seem to find in Jonathan Gordon what they had admired in Hillary Clinton--or that Brenda King's clever tactics seemed to shine in moments where they'd remembered Donald Trump flailing or lashing out.

The simplicity of Trump's message became easier for people to hear when it was coming from a woman--that was a theme.

***********

Maybe it wasn't gender. Maybe it was just partisanship. Maybe if they would have had a man *who wasn't Trump* giving Trumps speech would have had the same effect of being articulate and persuasive.

Because the real Trump is Emanuel Goldstein to the left, a focus for a three minute of hate, or what not.

Anything he says is rejected. Not because of what he says. But they have been conditioned to become enraged at the sight of him.

Posted by: Taco Shack at March 07, 2017 06:58 PM (C+qQ0)

102 Was the Hillary person involved a robot like the real one?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 07, 2017 06:59 PM (6Ll1u)

103 76 Far too many people have conspicuously incorporated politics as a part of their personality.

This is what happens.
Posted by: weft cut-loop



Politics as religion.

State=god, goddess, or other deity of your choice.

Posted by: Puddleglum at March 07, 2017 06:59 PM (pY+s4)

104 Conversely, 'stumble bum' is a genderless reference.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 07, 2017 06:58 PM (eeTCA)


I'm not so sure about that. Men become bums. Women become bag ladies.

Something to do with women's addiction to shopping ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 07, 2017 07:00 PM (zc3Db)

105 Did the actor portraying Hillary! use a walker?

Posted by: davidt at March 07, 2017 07:01 PM (XoldI)

106
I take it there was no pantsuit

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 07, 2017 07:02 PM (lKyWE)

107 98 Anyone else getting autoplay audio commercials that can't be turned of other than muting? I didn't get them until today. Is Obama hacking Ace?

Posted by: Leland at March 07, 2017 06:58 PM (D4rQ6)

Sounds delightful, but I guess I'll pass.

Posted by: Noscript and origin usee at March 07, 2017 07:02 PM (/f1mm)

108 Did the male actor portraying Hillary! have a big fat ass?


Posted by: davidt at March 07, 2017 06:55 PM (XoldI)
.........

and googly eyes?
Posted by: wth
--------------

Missing a shoe?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 07, 2017 07:02 PM (eeTCA)

109 Far too many people have conspicuously incorporated politics as a part of their personality.

This is what happens.


When you see Seth fucking Rogen becoming nothing but a daily mouthpiece for Dem talking points, you realize it's become a cult.
Dude, stick to weed and dick jokes.

Posted by: gewa76 at March 07, 2017 07:03 PM (B6OKy)

110 After the Hillary Man was done, they needed to have him stroke out and be thrown into a waiting van like a slab of meat.

Thanks to the moron who posts on here for that last line.

I like it...."like a slab of meat".....hahahaha

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 07, 2017 07:03 PM (5VlCp)

111 And via Breitbart, the real Mike Pence has stood up and is standing shoulder shoulder with Paul Ryan.

Night Horde!

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 07, 2017 07:03 PM (2qHjF)

112 Because the real Trump is Emanuel Goldstein to the left, a focus for a three minute of hate, or what not.


Except that the 3 minute hate is on its 4 straight month. You'd figure they'd get tuckered out by now.

Posted by: Puddleglum at March 07, 2017 07:03 PM (pY+s4)

113 but Trump is Hitler Elsa, She-Wolf of the SS!

Posted by: Mallfly Cloggenstein of Obamaland VT at March 07, 2017 06:35 PM (b7fwp)


FIFY

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 07, 2017 07:03 PM (rUIbB)

114 Great post, compelling and rich.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 07, 2017 07:03 PM (4e+hS)

115 I give them credit for reporting their results even when they didn't meet their expectations. Best quote was that male Hillary was punchable.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 07, 2017 07:04 PM (5XX9p)

116 Ah yes. "Progress"

At this rate these goofy fuckers will discover fire when they are oh, bout 90 years old...

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 07, 2017 07:05 PM (lKcIL)

117 blaster shared what should have gotten more play this morning. Dan Bongino, former SS agent, said that Flynn was tapped while he was in Trump Tower. Seemed like an important point.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 07, 2017 07:06 PM (0FgLk)

118 Then 'The Wheel' followed closely by "agriculture".

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 07, 2017 07:06 PM (lKcIL)

119 Just like taking a couple of pages of one of former-President Shit-Midas's "auto" biography but saying it was Sarah Palin's book. Boy, did that ever show what a rube that hick, Palin, is!

Posted by: andycanuck at March 07, 2017 07:06 PM (nlbfN)

120 then death. Sudden, unfair and inexplicable.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 07, 2017 07:07 PM (lKcIL)

121 We are here at the presidential debate, where we've secretly replaced the shrill drunken harridan they usually feature with a sane person. Let's see if anyone can tell the difference!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 07, 2017 07:07 PM (8ZskC)

122 Holy shit. It all makes sense now!

*continues watching a reenactment of the Titanic disaster with a female captain*

Bitch can't drive a boat!

Posted by: Dang at March 07, 2017 07:08 PM (8b+oT)

123 Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 07, 2017 07:07 PM (lKcIL)

LOL.

I love happy endings.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 07, 2017 07:08 PM (zc3Db)

124
122 Holy shit. It all makes sense now!

*continues watching a reenactment of the Titanic disaster with a female captain*

Bitch can't drive a boat!

Posted by: Dang at March 07, 2017 07:08 PM (8b+oT)










She tried to parallel park next to the iceberg.....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 07, 2017 07:09 PM (cuZZW)

125 You'd think Hillary's performance would have been a lot sharper, considering that she was given the questions in advance.

Why didn't her crack crew write up some pithy one-liners for her to deliver, so she would look like she was a quick thinker and could come up with funny but relevant stuff off the top of her head? Instead, she droned on like she was taking an oral bar exam and was trying prove how much shit she had memorized.

She was boring and hectoring, and nobody likes that -- from either gender.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 07, 2017 07:09 PM (riF5p)

126 Next debate they should dress the participants as clowns and digitally modify all of their voices to sound like Bozo.

Posted by: General Emmett Kelly at March 07, 2017 07:09 PM (BO/km)

127
blaster shared what should have gotten more play this morning. Dan Bongino, former SS agent, said that Flynn was tapped while he was in Trump Tower. Seemed like an important point.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 07, 2017 07:06 PM (0FgLk)


Newt Gingrich said the same thing last night on O'Reilly

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 07, 2017 07:10 PM (lKyWE)

128 Just showed this to my 88 year old Mom... and she laughed... because SHE is one of those who don't really like President Trump because of his Mannerisms...


also showed her...
Suave Trump....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUGT30gGtiI

Posted by: Don Q. at March 07, 2017 07:10 PM (NgKpN)

129 Why didn't her crack crew write up some pithy one-liners for her to
deliver, so she would look like she was a quick thinker and could come
up with funny but relevant stuff off the top of her head?
===

Maybe they did.

"Fat, drunk and evil is no way to go through life , Hilly"

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 07, 2017 07:11 PM (lKcIL)

130 Perhaps a better test would be to simply read the transcripts as text.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 07, 2017 07:11 PM (vRcUp)

131 I think that sounds like fun. I would love to play Trump in a debate scenario.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 07, 2017 07:11 PM (fDdVG)

132 I like it...."like a slab of meat".....hahahaha

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 07, 2017 07:03 PM (5VlCp)
............

That's some fatty pork butt. However, a 3 hour braise will render most of this fat and turn it into a mouth-wateringly tender dish.

Posted by: wth at March 07, 2017 07:12 PM (HgMAr)

133 Who knew Hillary is an inauthentic unlikable man/woman?

Posted by: USNtakim at March 07, 2017 07:12 PM (hMqvx)

134 blaster shared what should have gotten more play this morning. Dan Bongino, former SS agent, said that Flynn was tapped while he was in Trump Tower. Seemed like an important point.

They could claim it was the Russian ambassador who was tapped, no?

Posted by: gewa76 at March 07, 2017 07:13 PM (B6OKy)

135 These idiots would probably love watching Eva Braun giving Hitler speeches.

Hell, they'd probably go for some plain ol' Hitler speeches if they were given in English with a snooty ivy league voice.

Posted by: Dang at March 07, 2017 07:13 PM (8b+oT)

136 I've been asking family and friends this question and nobody can fill the 20 person quota. Take all the executive, Judical, and legislative branch members and you can only save 20 from the Cloverfield monster to a DC radioactive dumpster fire..... Who do you save? (family is included unless a member works for the government).

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at March 07, 2017 07:13 PM (2qHjF)

137 Hillary is the most accomplished woman in all of
history. Was that made clear? Did they show the part of the third debate
where she was making cole slaw and pirogies while explaining where
Hayek's criticism of Keynes was invalid?
Posted by: Mallfly Cloggenstein of Obamaland VT at March 07, 2017 06:38 PM (b7fwp)


Was that right before she was affirming through geometrical logic the truth of Gropius's assertion that harmonious architecture is a manifestation of authentic democracy?

Posted by: Kindltot at March 07, 2017 07:13 PM (WQX/u)

138 " might not be as total bullshit as their total bullshit usually is."

That's what struck me about the study. It was actual psych-social science. Not much of that around these days.

Posted by: West at March 07, 2017 07:14 PM (fUyhB)

139 "Sophisticated Trump" LOL

I wonder if I should send that to my sister in England who loathes Trump and whether she would find him more acceptable?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 07, 2017 07:14 PM (fDdVG)

140 Who knew Hillary is an inauthentic unlikable man/woman?
==


A Naa aa aaa aaa aaa sty woman!

Posted by: Ashley Judd's boiled bunny brain at March 07, 2017 07:15 PM (lKcIL)

141 "The simplicity of Trump's message became easier for people to hear when it was coming from a woman--that was a theme."

Jyobs!

Posted by: JC at March 07, 2017 07:15 PM (3GSgE)

142 35 Krauthammer just said there is zero evidence that Trump Tower with wiretapped. I am so confused on all this.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 07, 2017 06:42 PM (K7A0z)

Krauthammer is a Never Trumper...

And just how would HE KNOW? Is he inside intelligence circles? Does he have inside information on FISA?

Posted by: Don Q. at March 07, 2017 07:15 PM (NgKpN)

143 She tried to parallel park next to the iceberg.....



Posted by: IllTemperedCur
-----

Can I park here? I'm just going in for a minute! Be out in a flash!

-Female Captain of the Hindenburg

Posted by: Dang at March 07, 2017 07:15 PM (8b+oT)

144 Better yet dress them up as Clarabell and give em a big honkin horn to answer questions. One honk for yes, two for no.

Posted by: General Emmett Kelly at March 07, 2017 07:16 PM (BO/km)

145 If I understand the article, the only reason Hillary made it as far as she did is because men didn't want to admit she was a shrill harpy who reminded them of their ex, and women didn't want to admit she reminded them of the shrill harpy became were before their last breakup?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 07, 2017 07:17 PM (P/kVC)

146 130 Perhaps a better test would be to simply read the transcripts as text.

Yeah ... I think all this proved is the little dumb-asses are conditioned to believe that the woman is always right and the man is always wrong.

That ... and nobody likes a dude that talks like a fag and whose shit's all retarded.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 07, 2017 07:17 PM (fiGNd)

147 Can I park here? I'm just going in for a minute! Be out in a flash!

-Female Captain of the Hindenburg
Posted by: Dang at March 07, 2017 07:15 PM (8b+oT)

She was using the rear view mirror to fix her makeup... reporters there ya know...

Posted by: Don Q. at March 07, 2017 07:17 PM (NgKpN)

148 Charles Krauthammer should stand up and come at me like a man.

Posted by: DONALD TRUMP!! at March 07, 2017 07:17 PM (4e+hS)

149 The second most interesting result was that it indicates that conservatives could see through Hilary's bullshit, but hyper gender aware, "woke" liberals were blind to it.

Just who is "woke", then?

Posted by: West at March 07, 2017 07:17 PM (fUyhB)

150 Ashley Judd's boiled bunny brain


Heh! Now that's just mean.

Posted by: Puddleglum at March 07, 2017 07:18 PM (pY+s4)

151 How did they handle the stuff relating to Bill's victims without referring to him as Hillary's husband?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 07, 2017 07:18 PM (vRcUp)

152 / I didn't really 'read' the article.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 07, 2017 07:18 PM (P/kVC)

153 "WhY aM I nOt 50 pOINtS aHEaD, yOu mAY aSK???"

Wonder what internal poll or campaign freakout prompted that screechy horror clip?

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 07, 2017 07:18 PM (lKcIL)

154 >>And just how would HE KNOW? Is he inside intelligence circles? Does he have inside information on FISA?

Well there isn't any evidence that has been shown. Yet. But there is also no evidence that anyone in the Trump campaign spoke about anything nefarious with any Russian either.

For some odd reason, the media has been more than happy to take the claims against Trump at face value while condemning any claims against Obama. Mystery, that one.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 07, 2017 07:19 PM (/tuJf)

155 So... a bunch of safe spacists were surprised to learn what we've been saying since around 2001: the ONLY reason to vote for Hillary is because she is (allegedly) a woman. Heck, even Hillary's campaign knew that. In 2008, the only time she did well in the primary was when she started weeping and playing up the exploited woman schtick. In 2016, what was she going to run on? Resetting the Cold War? The Middle East going from emerging, relative stability when Bush was exiting to the utter chaos as rise of that JV team, ISIS? Her absolute opposition to using the military to overthrow and kill dictators without the consent of congress? The increase number of domestic terror attacks?

Even running on the woman card (pantsuits, cankles, etc. notwithstanding) it is appalling that the wife of an impeached womanizer who has paid out millions to hush up sexual abuse victims and has done more than any other woman in history to silence, slander, and discredit female victims of sexual abuse was not laughed out of the country or strung up in a public lynching like the increasing number of business owners who speak like normal people in private.

What else did she have? Her lack of corruption? Honesty? Engaging personality?

So many people are so hung up on their "causes" that they're completely blind to the fact they they are promoting and supporting the exact things they claim to be against.

Regrettably, this blindness isn't limited to Hillary defenders.

Posted by: Damiano at March 07, 2017 07:19 PM (71OEY)

156 "Krauthammer just said there is zero evidence that Trump Tower with wiretapped."

Jan 20th NYT front page headline above the fold:
Wiretapped Data Used in Inquiry of Trump Aides

How else was Flynn caught in Acting AG Sally Yates' perjury trap?

Irony is that the Obamans hoped for a lot more dirt but didn't find it

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 07, 2017 07:19 PM (SIY7D)

157 128 Just showed this to my 88 year old Mom... and she laughed... because SHE is one of those who don't really like President Trump because of his Mannerisms...


also showed her...
Suave Trump....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUGT30gGtiI
Posted by: Don Q. at March 07, 2017 07:10 PM (NgKpN)


Gay Trump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y96iyHBhIe0

Posted by: rickl at March 07, 2017 07:20 PM (sdi6R)

158 So many people are so hung up on their "causes" that they're completely blind to the fact they they are promoting and supporting the exact things they claim to be against.

They're sports fans ... just cheering for laundry.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 07, 2017 07:20 PM (fiGNd)

159
Was that right before she was affirming through geometrical logic the truth of

the existence of the extra key to the pantry where the strawberries were kept.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 07, 2017 07:21 PM (IqV8l)

160 They could claim it was the Russian ambassador who was tapped, no?
Posted by: gewa76 at March 07, 2017 07:13 PM (B6OKy)

It does not matter...

Once it was determined there was no espionage, or criminal violation, all of Flynn's information should have been scrubbed... (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act).

Instead, it was sent all over the government, then leaked...

Just because you talk to a Foreign Ambassador, it does NOT mean our own Government doesn't have to follow our OWN damn laws.

Posted by: Don Q. at March 07, 2017 07:21 PM (NgKpN)

161 Krauthammer has big connections. Really big. He has inside scoop on pretty much everything. His sources are flawless as are his analyses. Just ask him.

Or he's just a pissed off bitter old bastard that FOX is scared to fire.

One of those.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 07, 2017 07:22 PM (lKcIL)

162 So many people are so hung up on their "causes" that they're completely blind to the fact they they are promoting and supporting the exact things they claim to be against.
----------

A fair point. I used to be against extreme comb-overs.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 07, 2017 07:22 PM (NBHj5)

163 I have a photo feed on the bottom of my computer. There is one photo of the inauguration and it says "Photos show Obama's bigger" So freaking what ?They're still on this three months later?!!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 07, 2017 07:22 PM (fDdVG)

164 125 You'd think Hillary's performance would have been a lot sharper, considering that she was given the questions in advance.

Why didn't her crack crew write up some pithy one-liners for her to deliver, so she would look like she was a quick thinker and could come up with funny but relevant stuff off the top of her head? Instead, she droned on like she was taking an oral bar exam and was trying prove how much shit she had memorized.

She was boring and hectoring, and nobody likes that -- from either gender.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 07, 2017 07:09 PM (riF5p)


Even they thought putting Bill out there in a wig and a pantsuit was too much.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 07, 2017 07:22 PM (4ErVI)

165 Well here's a shocker......

http://tinyurl.com/hp4p63v

Posted by: Molly k. at March 07, 2017 07:23 PM (9H4KE)

166 Though I have to also admit: Another effect of the gender reversal is to make Donald Trump's aggressiveness and bluntness sound more reasonable and less grunt-bark.

It's really interesting. Because the actors are trying to mimic the candidates's gestures and tone, too, you get a gruff, slouchy, masculine woman arguing with a prim, irritating man. (And at that point, it's kind of hard to tell how much of one's negative reaction to the man-playing-Hilary is because it's a *man* doing it... and how much is because he's imitating *Hilary*. So I might still be sexist, I guess, is the conclusion.)

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at March 07, 2017 07:23 PM (10LGw)

167 I haven't read all of the comments yet, but has it been mentioned that Hillary Clinton is one conviction away from a lunatic psychopath killer?

Posted by: Fritz at March 07, 2017 07:24 PM (YAPkP)

168 Did he also replicate her nasal discharge running down her face? Or her petite mal seizures?

Posted by: Batterup at March 07, 2017 07:24 PM (mtGE/)

169 161 Krauthammer has big connections. Really big. He has inside scoop on pretty much everything. His sources are flawless as are his analyses. Just ask him.

Or he's just a pissed off bitter old bastard that FOX is scared to fire.

One of those.
Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 07, 2017 07:22 PM (lKcIL)

Yes, it'll be an early night....

Posted by: Charlees Krauthammer... at March 07, 2017 07:24 PM (NgKpN)

170 From the article:
Another - a musical theater composer, actually - said that Trump created "hummable lyrics," while Clinton talked a lot, and everything she was was true and factual, but there was no "hook" to it.

I'm going to steal a Moron's riff and assume this theatre composer is acing xer gender studies courses.

Posted by: Lieutenant Obvious at March 07, 2017 07:24 PM (XHDeu)

171 IOW it illustrated the bias of liberals. They hate when you do that.

The Hillary analogue, without the 'womyn!' myth surrounding him, came off as what we saw her as.

The Trump analogue, without the 'MALE PRIVILEGE!' BS, came of as what we saw him as.

The libs take their false valuation based on trivial characteristics and add/detract weight based on them.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 07, 2017 07:25 PM (oVJmc)

172 Thanks DonQ- you said it better than I could have.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 07, 2017 07:25 PM (0FgLk)

173 You know what would be fun. Do the same role reversal act with Obama/ Romney.

Even better Obama/ Hillary or even Bernie/ Hillary.

I've got to give them some credit though for having the ability to even recognize the fallacy of their thinking once it was shoved glaringly in their face. If you'd asked what I though would happen, I'd have better heavily on continued congestive dissonance and a retreat to safe spaces.

Posted by: Damiano at March 07, 2017 07:25 PM (71OEY)

174 Did the guy have a trained fly land on his eyebrow?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 07, 2017 07:26 PM (vRcUp)

175 In news that matters to me (TM), the liberal freakout has finally gotten me off facebook. Someone in my feed posted an angry denunciation of Carson after his HUD speech. I pointed out that his language referred to "A Nation of Immigrants" by John F. Kennedy, from 1958, and was told that JFK was wrong too and that slaves didn't come here seeking opportunity.

I went back and looked up the definition of immigrant again and didn't see anything about opportunity, just the actual definition of the word, and I found that both Obama and Shaun King (the "Black Lives Matter" guy) have both called us a nation of immigrants, and they meant it inclusively, just like Kennedy and Carson did, and then I realized that it was a stupid, useless waste of time to write all that. I like the pics people post of their kids but it was just getting too hard to wade through the stupidity and grade-A freakouts to see those few posts. I'll use the FB time to do something else constructive.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at March 07, 2017 07:27 PM (F26eZ)

176 We've seen this scenario played out endlessly by falsely attributing quotes to the wrong person, usually of the opposite 'persuasion'.

You walk into a quote with certain expectations, and will readily modify your victim definitions to accommodate alien expressions.

In other words, we are all hostages to our world views.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 07, 2017 07:27 PM (xpfRn)

177 She was boring and hectoring, and nobody likes that -- from either gender.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 07, 2017 07:09 PM (riF5p)



Yes, "boring and hectoring" is true, but you have to admit that it was offset by Hillz charming outbursts of uncontrollable asthmatic coughing.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 07, 2017 07:27 PM (8ZskC)

178
Well here's a shocker......

http://tinyurl.com/hp4p63v
Posted by: Molly k.


Surprised to see that on MSN.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 07, 2017 07:28 PM (IqV8l)

179 Interesting part of that experiment is the bias of revealed in the researchers.

Posted by: alexthechick at March 07, 2017 06:46 PM (tZE4d) fnord (tZE4d)


Was the first thing I looked for, and boy did I find it.

Pretty much all social research needs another layer of researchers on top of it, researching the researchers.

It's turtles all the way down!

Pretty much everyone needs a "check yoself" filter in this day and age, so they don't do things like attack Ben Carson for comparing slaves to immigrants and then realize they *should* have been attacking him for plagiarizing Obama having said so repeatedly.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 07, 2017 07:29 PM (wB8Tg)

180 Alex, you will be pleased to know that I am watching Pontypool per your omnidirectional recommendation. I'm almost a half hour in and the town crazy dam has just burst.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 07, 2017 07:29 PM (EnKk6)

181 >>> Another - a musical theater composer, actually - said that Trump created "hummable lyrics," while Clinton talked a lot, and everything she was was true and factual, but there was no "hook" to it.
......

I'm not sure what part of that is more disturbing. The idea that hummable lyrics are considered superior to true, factual information or the idea that anything Hillary said could be considered remotely true or factual.

I've long believed that there is no redemption for society or the country as a whole because no one wants to be informed or think. They want to be coddled, sung to, lied to, and entertained

Posted by: Damiano at March 07, 2017 07:29 PM (71OEY)

182 Krauthammer has big connections. Really big. He has inside scoop on pretty much everything. His sources are flawless as are his analyses. Just ask him.

Or he's just a pissed off bitter old bastard that FOX is scared to fire.

One of those.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 07, 2017 07:22 PM (lKcIL)



OFA certified sleeper, he is.

Posted by: gNewt at March 07, 2017 07:29 PM (zFzxj)

183 174 Did the guy have a trained fly land on his eyebrow?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 07, 2017 07:26 PM (vRcUp)

They would have had to have an aged alcoholic play the role for such a reduction in tactile senses

Posted by: Batterup at March 07, 2017 07:29 PM (mtGE/)

184 have both called us a nation of immigrants, and they meant it inclusively, just like Kennedy and Carson did,

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at March 07, 2017 07:27 PM (F26eZ)

Uh.... how can I be an immigrant, if my forefathers were here BEFORE there was a United States? (and no, not Native American...).

Posted by: Charlees Krauthammer... at March 07, 2017 07:29 PM (NgKpN)

185 Well here's a shocker......

Why would anyone have told him he couldn't travel to Canada? It's a free border.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 07, 2017 07:29 PM (oVJmc)

186 I'll use the FB time to do something else constructive.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at March 07, 2017 07:27 PM (F26eZ) fnord (F26eZ)


Or just quote Obama saying pretty much exactly the same thing Carson said.

http://bit.ly/2lZAL0N

(link to The Federalist)

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 07, 2017 07:30 PM (wB8Tg)

187 "Instead, she droned on like she was taking an oral bar exam and was trying prove how much shit she had memorized."

Which is maybe not the best strategy for someone who had trouble passing the, y'know, actual bar exam.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 07, 2017 07:31 PM (noWW6)

188 Yes, it'll be an early night....
Posted by: Charlees Krauthammer... at March 07, 2017 07:24 PM (NgKpN)



Just roll away, Chuck.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 07, 2017 07:31 PM (8ZskC)

189 From the second to last paragraph in the story:

What did you [Joe Salvatore] find most surprising?

I was particularly struck by the post-performance discussions about effeminacy. People felt that the male version of Clinton was feminine, and that that was bad. As a gay man who worked really hard, especially when I was younger, to erase femininity from my body -- for better or worse -- I found myself feeling really upset hearing those things.

Heh. I'm guessing that, for most, the real version of Clinton came off as anything other than feminine -- be it male, beastial, vegetable, or mineral. As a heterosexual male, I'm really happy about that ...

Posted by: ShainS at March 07, 2017 07:32 PM (mt8X9)

190 People got upset. There was a guy two rows in front of me who was literally holding his head in his hands, and the person with him was rubbing his back.

Even I am astounded at how conditioned these weak-minded liberals are!

Posted by: Zombie B.F. Skinner at March 07, 2017 07:32 PM (3OAG2)

191 Another - a musical theater composer, actually - said that Trump created "hummable lyrics," while Clinton talked a lot, and everything she was was true and factual, but there was no "hook" to it.

Rationalization.

Blaming style over substance.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 07, 2017 07:33 PM (oVJmc)

192 Speaking of the FAB, has anyone see it in the last two weeks?

She must be working on her ratline out of the country....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 07, 2017 07:33 PM (5VlCp)

193 It does not matter...

Once it was determined there was no espionage, or criminal violation, all of Flynn's information should have been scrubbed... (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act).

Instead, it was sent all over the government, then leaked...

Just because you talk to a Foreign Ambassador, it does NOT mean our own Government doesn't have to follow our OWN damn laws.


Yes, but everybody seems to acknowledge the leaks themselves are illegal. The MSM isn't upset about that, because the leakers are whistleblowers and heroes to them.
The issue is whether the spying on Trump associates had any real justification, or if it was politically motivated. Obviously it's the latter, but the MSM will keep deflecting, and when it's finally revealed, they'll say, "Oh, that's old news."
Lather, rinse, repeat.

Posted by: gewa76 at March 07, 2017 07:33 PM (B6OKy)

194 >>> I have a photo feed on the bottom of my computer. There is one photo of the inauguration and it says "Photos show Obama's bigger"
......

Don't believe everything you hear, honey.

Posted by: Reggie Love at March 07, 2017 07:33 PM (71OEY)

195 I think if I'd quoted Obama they'd just have kept with Carson being dumb/bad/evil because TRUMP. Opposing Trump excuses a lot, apparently, including the need to pause to see if the outrage is actually worth it.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at March 07, 2017 07:34 PM (F26eZ)

196 86 35 Krauthammer just said there is zero evidence that Trump Tower with wiretapped. I am so confused on all this.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 07, 2017 06:42 PM (K7A0z)

Wasn't Hillary amazingly somehow tweeting about it in October?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 07, 2017 06:53 PM (/f1mm)

A 'computer expect' told her that Trump had a secret sever in a Trump Tower bathroom closet that was talking to a Soviet bank's computer.

How he knew that w/o tapping into it I would not know...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 07, 2017 07:34 PM (P/kVC)

197 Hmmmm, bullshit, cool.

Posted by: Killerdog at March 07, 2017 07:35 PM (5gXZz)

198 LMAO Krystal Ball makes another appearance.

Posted by: logprof at March 07, 2017 07:35 PM (GsAUU)

199 Just because you talk to a Foreign Ambassador, it does NOT mean our own Government doesn't have to follow our OWN damn laws.

Posted by: Don Q. at March 07, 2017 07:21 PM (NgKpN) fnord (NgKpN)


We started down the path to lawlessness a long time ago, and the last eight years has been catastrophic. My concern is that it's too late to reverse course (or that it will take so long to turn that it will not matter).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 07, 2017 07:35 PM (wB8Tg)

200 "Photos show Obama's bigger"

Well, Mooch does look like Sasquatch next to the lovely Mrs. Trump.

And pretty much everyone else.

Posted by: ALH at March 07, 2017 07:36 PM (Z56vq)

201 "It seems to me that Hillary's gender actually covered up her
flaws, such as inauthenticity, scriptedness, recitations of pablum, and
fake-smiling, while, when she was played by a male actor, those flaws
were suddenly very visible to the people who think of themselves as
"gender-woke" but maybe should just think of themselves as gender
partisans."


===============



I think that is what these people figured out. It likely blew their world view all off kilter. Hopefully some of them remember and change.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 07, 2017 07:36 PM (geAkB)

202 "Speaking of the FAB, has anyone see it in the last two weeks? She must be working on her ratline out of the country...."

She keeps popping up in people's social media photos.

Flying commercial instead of the private jet.

With Bill nowhere to be seen.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 07, 2017 07:36 PM (noWW6)

203 So did the female actor playing Jefe El Donaldo wear aviator shades, a hybrid Qadaffi/Himmler uniform with epaulets and jackboots?
No? *yawn*

Posted by: wth at March 07, 2017 07:36 PM (HgMAr)

204 "Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina". Gender is not fluid. XX and XY are reality. There are confused puppies that need mental health therapy, not hormones or surgery. I am very BIGLY tired of this hysteria.

Posted by: colfax mingo at March 07, 2017 07:36 PM (+ucSt)

205 This has a lot to do with the previous thread, as far as I can see. It's how liberals have a Dunning--Kruger effect with their rationality.

It's the same reason that they are unimpressed with the idea of conservatives fearing a backlash by the left. (First of all they really might enjoy the idea of "jerks" on the right getting beaten up a little bit) It's because the left views itself as the rational, educated side of politics.

Conservatives are REACTION. We're -ophobes, driven by fear, and aggression--which comes out of having made ourselves so fearful. Obergefell put traditional society mores down to "animus". They believe we're the ones that might snowball out of control, because our reactions are step-wise and reasoned measures, but REACTIONS to reality encroaching upon our parochial world.

The liberals like the lofos on their side, because they have a virtue. They nudge them into a new society and the really adaptable ones adapt. That's what they prize.

But not the people Donald Trump champions. No. They want to "roll back the clock". They can't adapt, thus they are more dangerous to all the good that progressives are trying to do in this world. They insist on their principles, and refuse to have principles taken out of their hands and replaced with others, like docile children. And they throw tantrums like cranky babies.

Hence the cranky babies are far more likely to flail out against the docile babies or the parents of society.

And then it's just confirmation bias all the way down. Until something like this comes along.

Posted by: Axeman at March 07, 2017 07:36 PM (2mC6G)

206 I think if I'd quoted Obama they'd just have kept with Carson being dumb/bad/evil because TRUMP. Opposing Trump excuses a lot, apparently, including the need to pause to see if the outrage is actually worth it.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at March 07, 2017 07:34 PM (F26eZ) fnord (F26eZ)


And I would say to them "I just wanted to be clear what you were objecting to, and that it wasn't the substance but the tribal membership of the speaker."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 07, 2017 07:37 PM (wB8Tg)

207 So very, very late to the threads today. Life, dammit.

Extremely interesting piece. Sent it to my husband who, hopefully, will forward it to his prog siblings.

The day after the election, NYC sis, and ATL sis "demanded" he 'splain to them why he voted for Trump.

I want them to read this.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 07, 2017 07:37 PM (PY9jH)

208 "It seems to me that Hillary's gender actually covered up her
flaws, such as inauthenticity, scriptedness, recitations of pablum, and
fake-smiling, while, when she was played by a male actor, those flaws
were suddenly very visible to the people who think of themselves as
"gender-woke" but maybe should just think of themselves as gender
partisans."


They've simply programmed new biases that they think compensate old biases away.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 07, 2017 07:37 PM (oVJmc)

209 >>>...it does NOT mean our own Government doesn't have to follow our OWN damn laws.
.....

You're telling me.

Posted by: Zombie Nixon at March 07, 2017 07:37 PM (71OEY)

210 "WhY aM I nOt 50 pOINtS aHEaD, yOu mAY aSK???"

Wonder what internal poll or campaign freakout prompted that screechy horror clip?


Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 07, 2017 07:18 PM (lKcIL)
...........

lol
OK that made my day, I can go home now.

Posted by: wth at March 07, 2017 07:39 PM (HgMAr)

211 I'd love to hear the male actor say, "Ah ain't in no ways tahred."

Hillary! got away with that shit because vagina. No way a human with a penis could have gotten away with it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 07, 2017 07:39 PM (PY9jH)

212 The day after the election, NYC sis, and ATL sis "demanded" he 'splain to them why he voted for Trump.

Sounds like your husband is entirely too damn nice.

I've got one of those sisters. She knows not to demand anything from me.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 07, 2017 07:39 PM (fiGNd)

213 Transposing genders prove how weak Hillary was, what does it prove in swaping genders in movies like the newest Ghostbusters?

Posted by: Skip at March 07, 2017 07:39 PM (HDU3V)

214 Uh.... how can I be an immigrant, if my forefathers were here BEFORE there was a United States? (and no, not Native American...).
Posted by: Charlees Krauthammer.



Yep. I have ancestors that came upon these fine shores way back in the 1600s. They were immigrants. I'm not.

Posted by: Puddleglum at March 07, 2017 07:40 PM (pY+s4)

215 Did the male actor portraying Hillary! have a big fat ass?

and googly eyes?

Missing a shoe?


And wearing a Mao suit made from a decorative rug?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 07, 2017 07:41 PM (rpMI7)

216 I used to have a great deal of respect for Dr. Krauthammer. Lost some of it when he attended a dinner with DC elites with TFG. He was pretty charmed by Preezy Choom Boy.

Now he's a Never Trumper and his shit is tedious.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 07, 2017 07:42 PM (PY9jH)

217 The day after the election, NYC sis, and ATL sis "demanded" he 'splain to them why he voted for Trump.


Should have responded; Because I'm a free born man of the USA and I'll vote for who I damn well please.

Posted by: Puddleglum at March 07, 2017 07:42 PM (pY+s4)

218 And I would say to them "I just wanted to be clear what you were objecting to, and that it wasn't the substance but the tribal membership of the speaker."

All you need to know about politics: The left is bleating about Carson repeating something Obama has said almost verbatim, meanwhile a black Dem calls Kellyanne Conway a whore. Crickets.

Posted by: gewa76 at March 07, 2017 07:42 PM (B6OKy)

219 211: and, a fake yankee on top of that.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 07, 2017 07:42 PM (KP5rU)

220 With Bill nowhere to be seen.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 07, 2017 07:36 PM (noWW6)


He's probably having that orbital fracture repaired.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 07, 2017 07:42 PM (WQX/u)

221 krauthammer should be selling used medical equipment. he is just sleazy enough to pull it off.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 07, 2017 07:44 PM (KP5rU)

222 160 They could claim it was the Russian ambassador who was tapped, no?
Posted by: gewa76 at March 07, 2017 07:13 PM (B6OKy)

It does not matter...

Once it was determined there was no espionage, or criminal violation, all of Flynn's information should have been scrubbed... (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act).

Instead, it was sent all over the government, then leaked...

Just because you talk to a Foreign Ambassador, it does NOT mean our own Government doesn't have to follow our OWN damn laws.
Posted by: Don Q. at March 07, 2017 07:21 PM (NgKpN)

So the small group who had original access can be prosecuted for leaking classified information, Obamao EO notwithstanding? Also, just because your average joe has a clearance does not mean you can give them secrets, need to know and all that.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 07, 2017 07:45 PM (P/kVC)

223 213 Transposing genders prove how weak Hillary was, what does it prove in swaping genders in movies like the newest Ghostbusters?
Posted by: Skip at March 07, 2017 07:39 PM (HDU3V)


I haven't seen the new version and don't intend to, but it seems like they would have to use all the dialogue and jokes from the original.

Posted by: rickl at March 07, 2017 07:45 PM (sdi6R)

224 All you need to know about politics: The left is bleating about Carson repeating something Obama has said almost verbatim, meanwhile a black Dem calls Kellyanne Conway a whore. Crickets.

If the media suddenly treated the Left the way they treat the Right, the Left would fall over dead.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 07, 2017 07:46 PM (oVJmc)

225 Did they end it with the male Hillary! Surrogate collapsing and be heaved into a waiting van by his security?

Posted by: Darth Randall at March 07, 2017 07:46 PM (6n332)

226 As a gay man who worked really hard

I hate this shit.

I have never in my life said "As a heterosexual man..."

Or "as a white man" . Or "as a man" .

Stand on your own two feet , princess.

Quit hanging your opinions on your pseudo-tribe.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at March 07, 2017 07:47 PM (lKcIL)

227 >>So the small group who had original access can be prosecuted for leaking classified information, Obamao EO notwithstanding? Also, just because your average joe has a clearance does not mean you can give them secrets, need to know and all that.

Problem is, it's not a small group anymore. At the end of last year, Obama singed a law allowing the NSA to share all of the raw intelligence it gathers with the other 16 intelligence agencies. Raw intelligence meaning none of the names of US citizens or their conversations had been scrubbed.

He did this for a reason.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 07, 2017 07:47 PM (/tuJf)

228 Hillary has a larger penis than the man portraying her, though. Everyone involved in the project has a larger penis than Lindsey Graham, as does my cat.

Posted by: Landofskybluewater at March 07, 2017 07:47 PM (lRwmz)

229 Imagine what might happen if they had a white guy deliver Obama speeches.

"Who's this blathering idiot?"

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 07, 2017 07:47 PM (oVJmc)

230 CNN: MORE WOMEN RUNNING FOR OFFICE TO OPPOSE TRUMP!!!

Can't wait till the realize they need to bring something to the table besides having a uterus.

Posted by: Puddleglum at March 07, 2017 07:48 PM (pY+s4)

231 So the small group who had original access can be prosecuted for leaking classified information, Obamao EO notwithstanding?

And that's why Obama signed that order allowing raw intelligence to be spread throughout the agencies as he went out the door. The leaks are basically untraceable.

Posted by: gewa76 at March 07, 2017 07:48 PM (B6OKy)

232 I take it there was no pantsuit

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 07, 2017 07:02 PM (lKyWE)
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They told me there would be no pantsuit.

Posted by: Axeman at March 07, 2017 07:49 PM (2mC6G)

233 "Obama singed a law allowing the NSA to share all of the raw intelligence it gathers with the other 16 intelligence agencies."

After eight years in office, Obama suddenly takes this extraordinary step when he has less than three weeks left to go.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 07, 2017 07:49 PM (noWW6)

234 CNN: MORE RADICAL LEFTIST WOMEN RUNNING FOR OFFICE TO OPPOSE TRUMP!!!

Sarah Palin et al need not apply.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 07, 2017 07:49 PM (oVJmc)

235
Huh?

I'm bleeding from my penis.


It must be my time of the month.


Posted by: naturalfake is being played by a woman at March 07, 2017 07:50 PM (9q7Dl)

236 So...it completely backfired on them but may - MAY - have shaken a bit of the bullshit out of a couple of people's brains. That's a good thing, I think.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 07, 2017 07:50 PM (0mRoj)

237 >>> 204 "Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina". Gender is not fluid. XX and XY are reality. There are confused puppies that need mental health therapy, not hormones or surgery. I am very BIGLY tired of this hysteria.
Posted by: colfax mingo at March 07, 2017 07:36 PM (+ucSt)
......

Yup.

One other thing that always confuses/ irritates me about these "debates". They're always screeching about "acceptance" and "inclusiveness" on one hand, then demanding segregation and increasingly detailed classification into groups and sub groups on another

When at work or while in public, we are all expected to behave according to polite, professional standards that facilitate diverse people getting along effectively and enjoyably.

I don't care if you're gay. If I'm out having dinner and don't know you, it even less of my business or a concern, however, if you show up to a nice restaurant dressed like RuPaul and screeching show tunes at the top of your lungs... you have chosen to make a spectacle of yourself. The issue is no long my lack of tolerance or inclusiveness. You've gone out of your way to let your freak flag fly and not be included in polite society. Your choice but the problem is no longer mine, it's your unreasonable demand that everyone on earth conform to you while you make increasing efforts to exclude yourself.

Posted by: Damiano at March 07, 2017 07:51 PM (71OEY)

238 Can't wait till the realize they need to bring something to the table besides having a uterus.
Posted by: Puddleglum at March 07, 2017 07:48 PM (pY+s4)
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Boobs!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 07, 2017 07:52 PM (EnKk6)

239 After eight years in office, Obama suddenly takes this extraordinary step when he has less than three weeks left to go.

Utterly transparent, but plausible deniability, and even if he did admit it, he'd be lauded.
The political-media complex is in favor of this soft coup.

Posted by: gewa76 at March 07, 2017 07:52 PM (B6OKy)

240 Extremely interesting piece. Sent it to my husband who, hopefully, will forward it to his prog siblings.

The day after the election, NYC sis, and ATL sis "demanded" he 'splain to them why he voted for Trump.

I want them to read this.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 07, 2017 07:37 PM (PY9jH)



They WANT him to mansplain it to them?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 07, 2017 07:54 PM (auHtY)

241 Most of my family qualify for Daughters of the revolution, actually both sides do, but grandma on my dads side is pure Indian while grandpa's family qualify for daughters of the revolution too. My sister has applied while i don't know what to think.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 07, 2017 07:54 PM (6Ll1u)

242 If Krauthammer said the sun was rising in the east I'd go out on my deck to check. Zero credibility. Just like his employers.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/7 at March 07, 2017 07:55 PM (Oeb2k)

243 anybody rubs my back, i'll kill ya.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 07, 2017 07:55 PM (KP5rU)

244 227 >>So the small group who had original access can be prosecuted for leaking classified information, Obamao EO notwithstanding? Also, just because your average joe has a clearance does not mean you can give them secrets, need to know and all that.

Problem is, it's not a small group anymore. At the end of last year, Obama singed a law allowing the NSA to share all of the raw intelligence it gathers with the other 16 intelligence agencies. Raw intelligence meaning none of the names of US citizens or their conversations had been scrubbed.

He did this for a reason.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 07, 2017 07:47 PM (/tuJf)

Original source gave out info to shiitloads of people who didn't need it because it was supposed to be destroyed....

Ah, never mind, FBI kiddie porn sting guys stash is probably on every dot gov computer in the country under the same order.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 07, 2017 07:55 PM (P/kVC)

245 So what's the conclusion? Hill had a vajayjay and it it helped mask the stink?

So, douche?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 07, 2017 07:58 PM (pUDQf)

246 Should have altered spelling on my last post... sorry.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 07, 2017 07:59 PM (P/kVC)

247 The day after the election, NYC sis, and ATL sis "demanded" he 'splain to them why he voted for Trump.

Hmmmm.... Didn't I tell you!? Oh. Must be 'cause it's none of your fucking business.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 07, 2017 07:59 PM (zGttg)

248 #That'sHowYouGotHillary!

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at March 07, 2017 08:00 PM (Ndje9)

249 >>> "Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina". Gender is not fluid. XX and XY are reality. There are confused puppies that need mental health therapy, not hormones or surgery. I am very BIGLY tired of this hysteria.
Posted by: colfax mingo at March 07, 2017 07:36 PM


When I was little, I wanted to be a fighter pilot. Unfortunately I am 6'4", nearsighted, and amusement park rides that going into rapid rotations do have an excruciating effect on my head for some reason. So, adults informed me- correctly- that I would never be a fighter pilot.

Back then, this was called common sense and responsible adult guidance. If this happened today, the same people would be taken to court by the child, shunned by society, and several civil rights groups would be suing fighter plane manufacturers for not accommodating tall people who can't see well and failing to make planes only go in straight lines.

They call this Progress.

Posted by: Damiano at March 07, 2017 08:00 PM (71OEY)

250 I awaiting the Romney/Obama reversal.

Without revealing who is who.


Or Jeb! vs a tree stump.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 07, 2017 08:01 PM (vRcUp)

251 Who knew feelings would be the downfall of society.

Feelings. As in, we dare not hurt them so let's fuck with everyone else's life who doesn't have them.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 07, 2017 08:02 PM (pUDQf)

252 Weasel zippers has latest Hills poll, 58% of New Yorkers don't want her to run for mayor. Politics IS a popularity contest.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 07, 2017 08:03 PM (P/kVC)

253 Unfortunately you can't swamp McCain and Obummer. Someone has to tell us we have nothing to fear from this black man.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 07, 2017 08:03 PM (pUDQf)

254 Swap. Not the drainy version.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 07, 2017 08:04 PM (pUDQf)

255 230 CNN: MORE WOMEN RUNNING FOR OFFICE TO OPPOSE TRUMP!!!

Can't wait till the realize they need to bring something to the table besides having a uterus.
Posted by: Puddleglum at March 07, 2017 07:48 PM (pY+s4)

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*snort*

Posted by: SMFH at March 07, 2017 08:04 PM (CRotO)

256 The future is female. I saw that on a t-shirt some dude was wearing.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 07, 2017 08:05 PM (pUDQf)

257 243 anybody rubs my back, i'll kill ya.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 07, 2017 07:55 PM (KP5rU)

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*rubs back*

Posted by: SMFH at March 07, 2017 08:06 PM (CRotO)

258 "When I was little, I wanted to be a fighter pilot."

Me too! Man, I was sadly just born too early. Before today's enlightened new recruiting policies.

http://tinyurl.com/gvhqvm8

Posted by: torquewrench at March 07, 2017 08:06 PM (noWW6)

259 anybody rubs my back, i'll kill ya.
Posted by: chavez the hugo




Lighten up Francis.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2017 08:06 PM (4Ru5B)

260 256 The future is female. I saw that on a t-shirt some dude was wearing.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 07, 2017 08:05 PM (pUDQf)

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Oh God, no.

Posted by: SMFH at March 07, 2017 08:06 PM (CRotO)

261 Go right ahead on. Run a whole bunch of lefties just like the one that was running for DNC chair.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 07, 2017 08:08 PM (0FgLk)

262 Quiero Taco Bell?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 07, 2017 08:08 PM (pUDQf)

263 The future is female. I saw that on a t-shirt some dude was wearing.
Posted by: AlaBAMA


Brucemania.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 07, 2017 08:08 PM (vRcUp)

264 Yeah, when I was a kid I wanted to be an astronaut ... but got motion sickness on swing-sets.

Kind of surprised The Left hasn't yet managed to mandate hiring of blind commercial aircraft pilots ... talk about discrimination!

Posted by: ShainS at March 07, 2017 08:08 PM (mt8X9)

265 264 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at March 07, 2017 08:08 PM (vEsGs)

=======

Yo late, as usual ...

Posted by: ShainS at March 07, 2017 08:09 PM (mt8X9)

266 CNN: MORE WOMEN RUNNING FOR OFFICE TO OPPOSE TRUMP!!!


Competing for office against male Democrats? Ha ha, OK. Math is hard, they aren't creating any new offices for you to occupy.

Posted by: Max Power at March 07, 2017 08:09 PM (q177U)

267 From a moron perspective, Hellary in her present constituency and construction, moral condition and ethical makeup, I would not hit. No matter what she said, or how she looked.

Posted by: Eromero at March 07, 2017 08:10 PM (zLDYs)

268 Comment of the day (h/t Breitbart):

"The only difference between this bill and Obamacare is: The Dems shoved Obamacare down our throats. The RINO's are going to shove this up our other end."

Posted by: SMFH at March 07, 2017 08:10 PM (CRotO)

269 Another effect of the gender reversal is to make Donald Trump's aggressiveness and bluntness sound more reasonable and less grunt-bark.

--

IDK.

For me, the aggressiveness, bluntness and the grunt-bark was a feature, not a bug.

/you go Angry President Brooklyn Teamster!!! America!!!!

Posted by: shibumi at March 07, 2017 08:11 PM (J5mC3)

270 Yeah, I wanted to be an astronaut as a kid, but I'm afraid of heights.

Posted by: rickl at March 07, 2017 08:11 PM (sdi6R)

271 I like that article about the idiot snowflakes turning all the books around that were by male authors.

We could do that in congress. Turn all the men around so everyone can see what big asses they are.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 07, 2017 08:11 PM (pUDQf)

272 "MORE WOMEN RUNNING FOR OFFICE TO OPPOSE TRUMP"

If only the guy had been up against a female opponent.

Yeah, that would've been curtains for him.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 07, 2017 08:11 PM (noWW6)

273 54 Interesting part of that experiment is the bias of revealed in the researchers. If you read it you'll notice all kinds of fascinating biases that are brought to the experiment on the behalf of the researchers and how the researchers aren't necessarily even cognizant that they are exposing their own strictures and assumptions in the very framing of the experiment. Overall it's a fascinating sociological experiment.

Posted by: alexthechick at March 07, 2017 06:46 PM (tZE4d)

I assumed that AtC is Trump with Tits except maybe The Empress would say "grab teh lady parts"

Posted by: kbdabear at March 07, 2017 08:11 PM (AOrEZ)

274 "The only difference between this bill and Obamacare is: The Dems shoved
Obamacare down our throats. The RINO's are going to shove this up our
other end."

Pretty much.

We were pitched on the idea of "repeal and replace".

What we actually got was "reword".

Posted by: torquewrench at March 07, 2017 08:12 PM (noWW6)

275 At least Paul Ryan makes googly eyes at you while he slips it in. Pelosi just had that fucking gavel.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 07, 2017 08:13 PM (pUDQf)

276 Kind of surprised The Left hasn't yet managed to mandate hiring of blind commercial aircraft pilots ... talk about discrimination!
Posted by: ShainS at March 07, 2017 08:08 PM (mt8X9)

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Don't think even they relish the thought of being on a plane with Stevie Wonder at the helm.

Though the image of a plane full of lefties screaming on the way down does make me smile.

Posted by: SMFH at March 07, 2017 08:13 PM (CRotO)

277
What we actually got was "reword".
--

Yeah. I'm self employed, so I'm gonna get screwed unless I find a way to identify as a cat and get veterinary insurance.

Posted by: shibumi at March 07, 2017 08:14 PM (J5mC3)

278 I find that fascinating, and I wish they would stage it on TV, because I finally understand Trump. And I think it might help if others opened their minds, they might see him differently as well.

Posted by: me at March 07, 2017 08:16 PM (VoCyE)

279 Is it wrong to find President King so, so sexy?

Tell me how your going to repeal NAFTA you tigress?

Posted by: MAGA at March 07, 2017 08:17 PM (A4HOq)

280 a tip of the cap to SMFH.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 07, 2017 08:17 PM (0FgLk)

281
"Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina". Gender is not fluid. XX and
XY are reality. There are confused puppies that need mental health
therapy, not hormones or surgery. I am very BIGLY tired of this
hysteria.

Posted by: colfax mingo at March 07, 2017 07:36 PM (+ucSt)

This. So this.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 07, 2017 08:18 PM (geAkB)

282 All this talk is making me hungry.

More pancakes!! And pass the syrup!

Posted by: Barbra Streisand at March 07, 2017 08:19 PM (S6Pax)

283 Hey kids;

When you're trapped in class for an extra day this summer because of Teacher's Trump Hysteria, ask her to teach the origin of the word:
1650-60;

And if your Mom has to miss a day at work because of the non-essential Wymyn's Strike, hey, you didn't really need that new bicycle anyway.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at March 07, 2017 08:19 PM (Ndje9)

284 282 All this talk is making me hungry.

More pancakes!! And pass the syrup!

Posted by: Barbra Streisand at March 07, 2017 08:19 PM (S6Pax)

=============

Reminds me of a caller I heard on talk radio years ago after the Columbine shooting -- something along the lines of:

"Guns are as responsible for what happened at Columbine as spoons are responsible for Rosie O'Donnell being fat."

Posted by: ShainS at March 07, 2017 08:22 PM (mt8X9)

285 277
Yeah. I'm self employed, so I'm gonna get screwed unless I find a way to identify as a cat and get veterinary insurance.
Posted by: shibumi at March 07, 2017 08:14 PM (J5mC3)


I don't know if you saw my reply to you this afternoon, but one on my cats had surgery last week and the cost was $795.04. That's for everything: surgery, anesthesia, lab work, 1/2 day hospital stay, and a follow-up visit.

I just wrote a check and paid it. No insurance. The insurance industry is part of the reason human medical care is so expensive. Nobody knows what any procedure costs. In this case the vet gave me an estimate beforehand, ranging from $650-$850 depending on what she encountered during the surgery.

I bet the same procedure for a human would be a great deal more.

Posted by: rickl at March 07, 2017 08:23 PM (sdi6R)

286 Go watch the video and notice the message youtube has for you,

"This video is unlisted. Be considerate and think twice before sharing."

Think twice before you share this paradigm destroying video.

Posted by: wodun at March 07, 2017 08:24 PM (lFga6)

287 From the Sidebar - songs about "Focus"

Try "Focus" by "Hocus Pocus". Definitely better than the link you got there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 07, 2017 08:24 PM (V2Yro)

288 Hillary might have won the debates (and maybe the election) if instead of debating Trump she just made him a nice sandwich.

Posted by: Captain FartsAStorm at March 07, 2017 08:25 PM (lslKa)

289 277
Yeah. I'm self employed, so I'm gonna get screwed unless I find a way to identify as a cat and get veterinary insurance.
Posted by: shibumi at March 07, 2017 08:14 PM (J5mC3)

I don't know if you saw my reply to you this afternoon, but one on my cats had surgery last week and the cost was $795.04. That's for everything: surgery, anesthesia, lab work, 1/2 day hospital stay, and a follow-up visit.

I just wrote a check and paid it. No insurance. The insurance industry is part of the reason human medical care is so expensive. Nobody knows what any procedure costs. In this case the vet gave me an estimate beforehand, ranging from $650-$850 depending on what she encountered during the surgery.

I bet the same procedure for a human would be a great deal more.

Posted by: rickl
****

Vets aren't forced (by law) to treat those they know full well will never pay them, which causes the costs to be passed onto us. Just another piece of the puzzle.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at March 07, 2017 08:27 PM (hVdx9)

290 *waves to Ben Had*

Posted by: SMFH at March 07, 2017 08:30 PM (CRotO)

291 289
Vets aren't forced (by law) to treat those they know full well will never pay them, which causes the costs to be passed onto us. Just another piece of the puzzle.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at March 07, 2017 08:27 PM (hVdx9)


Yep.

Posted by: rickl at March 07, 2017 08:30 PM (sdi6R)

292 Ace, I love the way you write.

Posted by: Chip at March 07, 2017 08:30 PM (KXQr+)

293 I'm not sure what this proves. You would have to perform it in front of audiences which are not composed entirely of insane people to get a more definitive result.

Posted by: hummable lyrics? at March 07, 2017 08:32 PM (wpC7C)

294 What Chip said!

Posted by: 80's music fan at March 07, 2017 08:32 PM (PHcLa)

295 The mask has been off for a while.

Posted by: 80's music fan at March 07, 2017 08:33 PM (PHcLa)

296 "Brenda King's clever tactics seemed to shine in moments where they'd remembered Donald Trump flailing or lashing out...One person said, "I'm just so struck by how precise Trump's technique is."

It wasn't the male Clinton that blew these lefties' minds. It was the revelation that Trump is a very smart, strategic guy who ran rings around his opponent.

Posted by: JuJuBee at March 07, 2017 08:40 PM (dargh)

297 For those Clinton voters trying to make sense of the loss

You mean, both of them?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 07, 2017 08:41 PM (MZcWR)

298 I have a liberal friend who couldn't fathom how Hillary lost. I said "because, politics aside, she is a shitty candidate." he looked like I'd hit him with a 2X4.

Posted by: ghost of Orwell at March 07, 2017 09:15 PM (+Jknm)

299 #293: But even the "insane" people (college liberals) who watched this show actually got it. The article says some of them broke down in tears as they realized that, yes, Trump was just the better candidate.

Some of them likened the female Trump to someone like an aunt or a school principal who you're not terribly fond of, but you know she has your back and you can count on her.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler. Welcome to Trumpdome, bitch! at March 07, 2017 09:21 PM (0OG8D)

300 #4: Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina. John Kerry has a plan.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler. Welcome to Trumpdome, bitch! at March 07, 2017 09:32 PM (0OG8D)

301 I know this is at the tail end of the comments section and the viewing will be scant, but the last sentence of the article linked (and authored by some NYU faculty/staff/student) states:

"This has really emerged for us as a tool that could be quite powerful,
and I would love for people beyond the liberal, academic audience to get
to experience it too. "

Zoom in

"I would love for people beyond the liberal, academic audience"

Closer

"beyond the liberal, academic"

These people know full well they are in a liberal, academic bubble, and that many legitimate, breathing, thinking persons exist beyond that bubble with legitimate points of view that differ greatly with their own. They know full well that they are attempting to subjugate or destroy anyone who doesn't think like they do. And they call us fascists.

Posted by: yaedon at March 07, 2017 09:38 PM (qdhQS)

302 #301: I have to give them credit. Their minds got legit blowed by this experiment, and they didn't decide to sweep the results under a rug.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler. Welcome to Trumpdome, bitch! at March 07, 2017 09:45 PM (0OG8D)

303 OT, but still On T:

The subtitle for the article on the nyu.edu website states:

"actress playing Trump and an actor playing Clinton"

Actress? I thought that term was no longer acceptable. Like, "stewardess" or "waitress." Waiting for the rock-throwing, fire-bombing protests against this clearly sexist prose which exists on the New York University website.

Posted by: yaedon at March 07, 2017 09:48 PM (qdhQS)

304 IP check

Posted by: Flyboy at March 07, 2017 10:53 PM (V44//)

305 Shadilay!

Posted by: Pepe at March 07, 2017 11:19 PM (Sbjp2)

306 Starting see the pattern in these never trumps. They see still convinced hes gonna go down in fireworks and tge will be there told you soing and repairing the Republican brand.

What they miss is that we have totally tuned out and arent falling for msm concern trolling and scandal outrage anymore.

Posted by: Shiggz at March 07, 2017 11:44 PM (X8Fea)

307 THAT was amazing. I'll flip it to Faceplant tomorrow, because some of the lefties might actually watch it.

That video made me want to watch the whole thing -- hilarious! and the actors did a fantastic job of mimicking their respective gestures and affect. Wow. What a mind-fark.

If any of you haven't watched it, do.

Posted by: Beverly at March 08, 2017 01:47 AM (V32F+)

308 The NYU (really liberal) audience's reaction has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with the fact that Trump's opponent's, particularly those on the left, view him as the personification of all terrible things. On the flip side, they imbued Hillary with a lot of positive characteristics she didn't deserve. The visages of presidential candidates are cultural totems these days, so substituting their faces for those of random actors gave this audience (which I'm assuming was filled, overwhelmingly with liberal Dems) some much needed distance from their visceral hatred of Trump's face (and reflexive love for Hillary's), allowing them to see that Hillary was unlikeable and didn't have a reason to be running other than blind ambition, and that Trump has a point that things haven't been going so well a lot of Americans lately.

You could test my theory by trying this little experiment on an audience of people who are Trump (and/or Hillary) neutral, and my guess is it would have zero impact on their views of the respective candidates.

I'm Trump neutral (Rubio fan, Cruz voter in primary, and no vote in general), and I found the woman to be annoying because she was doing Trump-y stuff. Not as annoying as the Hillary-man, who did an excellent job of being stiff and not human and weird in the same way Hillary is.

Posted by: gts109 at March 08, 2017 12:54 PM (rX06+)

309 Full debate found on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLcI7mDUzMI&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: Inuvix at March 08, 2017 04:45 PM (2APkC)

310 Aaaaannnnnnnnnd.....

They took it down.

Posted by: Inuvix at March 08, 2017 06:56 PM (2APkC)

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