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Fourth Circuit Ignores Supreme Court's Heller Decision As Well As Its Own Precedents To Uphold Maryland "Assault Weapon" Ban

I don't think this opinion will remain on the books for long.

Posted by: Ace at 03:43 PM




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1 Pew Pew Pew

Posted by: Bruce at February 22, 2017 03:44 PM (8ikIW)

2 Reading this now

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2017 03:44 PM (HDU3V)

3 Legislating from the bench

Posted by: Flyboy at February 22, 2017 03:44 PM (YkWXu)

4 turd

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at February 22, 2017 03:44 PM (ul9CR)

5 Trump has to fill the 9th SCOTUS seat.

Posted by: Davod at February 22, 2017 03:44 PM (FWznJ)

6 th...?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 03:44 PM (vur0q)

7 Bruce go announce the new, ghey will thank you

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2017 03:44 PM (HDU3V)

8 7

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 22, 2017 03:44 PM (g6yUI)

9 9.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 22, 2017 03:44 PM (g6yUI)

10 OH thank you for this new thread. I don't even know what it's about and I don't even care.

Posted by: bluebell at February 22, 2017 03:45 PM (sBOL1)

11 So the 9th Circuit isn't the only certifiably insane (and Constitutionally ignorant) court in the USA.

Who knew?

Posted by: ExurbanDoug at February 22, 2017 03:45 PM (JoORq)

12 Another reason to avoid Maryland.

Posted by: Jean at February 22, 2017 03:46 PM (k2cV9)

13 Until Trump gets his man on the court this ruling would stand.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 22, 2017 03:46 PM (mpXpK)

14 In order to get this overturned we have to trust Anthony Kennedy. I don't.

Posted by: Mark1971 at February 22, 2017 03:46 PM (gdnq1)

15 *peeks in*


*doesn't see Jen*



Phew.

Posted by: Tami at February 22, 2017 03:46 PM (Enq6K)

16 Is it safe to come out now?

Posted by: All the dicks at February 22, 2017 03:46 PM (NF2Bf)

17 *inhales deeply*

Thank god for you, Clean New Thread.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 22, 2017 03:46 PM (10LGw)

18 And you know why?

Because they know the Supreme Court is 4-4 and the Democrats will do everything up to and including assassination to keep it that way until a Democrat is in office.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2017 03:46 PM (39g3+)

19 It's like they knew I was going AR parts shopping tonight.

Posted by: IP at February 22, 2017 03:46 PM (hUtue)

20 This will eliminate gun violence in Baltimore.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 22, 2017 03:46 PM (g6yUI)

21 10 OH thank you for this new thread. I don't even know what it's about and I don't even care.

Posted by: bluebell

I agree

Posted by: Jean at February 22, 2017 03:47 PM (k2cV9)

22 These courts need to be slapped down, hard.

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2017 03:47 PM (HDU3V)

23 Only the ones with the shoulder thingy that goes up?

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want To Know at February 22, 2017 03:47 PM (PjWy4)

24 It is absolutely amazing how anyone can look at the 2nd Amendment and determine exactly what type of "arms" the Founding Fathers were thinking of at the time they wrote the amendment. A guy like that should ought to play the lottery; if he can guess what the Founding Fathers were thinking, then he should certainly be able to guess the lottery numbers.

Posted by: DaveKinNC at February 22, 2017 03:47 PM (/NgNT)

25 PS. I just read a blog headline that "It's a marathon not a sprint." Rubbish. The Rino Congress is already back pedaling as fast as they can.

Trump has to push his agenda at full speed 24/7

Posted by: Davod at February 22, 2017 03:47 PM (FWznJ)

26 hey, i'm poking you in the chest. hey, big guy, you so tough. hey, poking you again. hey tough guy, you a tough guy. Imma poke you again. hey, big guy, whatcha' gonna do about it, big guy...

Posted by: dipshit lefties at February 22, 2017 03:48 PM (4YGWz)

27 >>Legislating from the bench


The Beach?


That was my idea - Jerry!

Posted by: Kramer at February 22, 2017 03:48 PM (NXfyF)

28 Time to prepare for next month's build in this nice fresh thread!

Posted by: The Vaginal Wall at February 22, 2017 03:48 PM (NF2Bf)

29 I heard the 4th Circuit court had sex with a dog and filmed it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 22, 2017 03:48 PM (NdM46)

30 24 It is absolutely amazing how anyone can look at the 2nd Amendment and determine exactly what type of "arms" the Founding Fathers were thinking of at the time they wrote the amendment. A guy like that should ought to play the lottery; if he can guess what the Founding Fathers were thinking, then he should certainly be able to guess the lottery numbers.
Posted by: DaveKinNC at February 22, 2017 03:47 PM (/NgNT)

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I look at the 1st amendment and am convinced that they were just talking about movable type.

Anything more advanced than that is obviously not covered.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 03:48 PM (vur0q)

31 Bruce go announce the new, ghey will thank you


Posted by: Skip

I went back, Honest I did, they were all dead.

Posted by: Bruce at February 22, 2017 03:48 PM (8ikIW)

32 New Thread.


...it's about Bloody Time!

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2017 03:48 PM (NXfyF)

33 ALL gun control laws are unconstitutional regardless of what a black robed bast*rd says.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 22, 2017 03:49 PM (mpXpK)

34 Hey, I didn't get a harrumph out of that guy.

Posted by: Gov. LePetomaine at February 22, 2017 03:49 PM (eMrO3)

35 JackStraw, if you've managed to get out of that old thread, congrats again on the new boat and it sounds like you'll get it just in time for good boating weather up there.

Posted by: bluebell at February 22, 2017 03:49 PM (sBOL1)

36 28 Time to prepare for next month's build in this nice fresh thread!
Posted by: The Vaginal Wall
--

The time for talk has pashed, my friends. Build the dang wall.

Posted by: John McCain at February 22, 2017 03:49 PM (10LGw)

37 My 1911 is a weapon of war, WWI

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2017 03:49 PM (HDU3V)

38 Is it safe to come out now?
Posted by: All the dicks


Oh, yes. Definitely. Please do.

Posted by: Zoey Tur, with a buzzsaw at February 22, 2017 03:50 PM (g6yUI)

39 >>...it's about Bloody Time!

That's enough. Period.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2017 03:50 PM (/tuJf)

40 22 These courts need to be slapped down, hard.
Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2017 03:47 PM (HDU3V)


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As I've said, congress needs to start impeaching these judges and removing them.

Posted by: Soona at February 22, 2017 03:50 PM (Fmupd)

41 You know what else bleeds? Gunshot wounds, that's what.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 22, 2017 03:50 PM (kTF2Z)

42
...it's about Bloody Time!
Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2017 03:48 PM (NXfyF)
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You're going to Hades. Get back to that other thread if you're going to talk like that.

Posted by: bluebell at February 22, 2017 03:50 PM (sBOL1)

43 I look at the 1st amendment and am convinced that they were just talking about movable type.

That's the argument that instantly kills the "they only meant muskets" line.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2017 03:50 PM (39g3+)

44 harrumph?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 22, 2017 03:50 PM (NdM46)

45 Again, how does the left expect this to end? Certainly not peacefully. We won't go without a fight. That fight will be hell on the left but good for mankind.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 22, 2017 03:50 PM (cOHS7)

46 For the love of all that's holy , ace, BURN THE LAST THREAD WITH GASOLINE

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 22, 2017 03:50 PM (KgpWR)

47 As Judge Traxler's dissent pointedly establishes, the majority
achieved this transformation by contriving "a heretofore unknown 'test,'
which is whether the firearm in question is 'most useful in military
service.'"


The US military gets issued K-Bar knives too, and ask people in Southeast Asia if those are useful in mass murders. (Spoiler alert: They are.)

Posted by: pookysgirl at February 22, 2017 03:50 PM (ar2KI)

48 Fourth Circuit Ignores Supreme Court's Heller Decision As Well As Its Own Precedents




Time to start removing judges for cause.

Cause = incompetence.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2017 03:51 PM (jTv1/)

49 Oh shit, that applies to me in Virginia, well fuck them

Posted by: Jean at February 22, 2017 03:51 PM (k2cV9)

50 It's time we had a national conversation about Lena D's vajayjay.

Posted by: Molon Labia at February 22, 2017 03:51 PM (Re/7S)

51
Yogi Carries - a limerick


Now I don't know if anyone cares
About ursine military wares
But there should be no danger
From a gun-running ranger
Don't infringe on my right to arm bears!!

Posted by: Muldoon at February 22, 2017 03:51 PM (wPiJc)

52 43 I look at the 1st amendment and am convinced that they were just talking about movable type.

That's the argument that instantly kills the "they only meant muskets" line.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2017 03:50 PM (39g3+)

=======================

And it's why I use it.

Then we hit cognitive dissonance and yelling.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 03:51 PM (vur0q)

53 one of the joys of liberal judges is that they destroy precedent. The new 9th Cir rules for Standing are being argued in every other circuit. This should make for some fun, ah...anti-judge rulings from real judges.

Same here, I'm sure the new standard of review to ignore a bill of right amendment will be played out from coast to coast with hilarious results.

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at February 22, 2017 03:51 PM (eClek)

54 .it's about Bloody Time!

That's enough. Period.
Posted by: JackStraw


It's time you decide whether you are mices or menses.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 22, 2017 03:51 PM (4YGWz)

55 You're going to Hades. Get back to that other thread if you're going to talk like that.

Posted by: bluebell at February 22, 2017 03:50 PM (sBOL1)

He can't help it...it just flows out of him.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2017 03:52 PM (rF0hx)

56 46
For the love of all that's holy , ace, BURN THE LAST THREAD WITH GASOLINE


Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 22, 2017 03:50 PM (KgpWR)

Wait. I think there are still some people stuck in Lena's vag.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 22, 2017 03:52 PM (GX63o)

57 I'm kinda down with this decision.

Posted by: The Honorable John Roberts at February 22, 2017 03:52 PM (6LwXe)

58 In this case, I agree, it's impeachin' time. Judges have decided that its up to them to get the leftist future they hoped Hillary would bring, and the law, logic, and constitution be damned. There must be consequences to this.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2017 03:52 PM (39g3+)

59 Rwandans are confused by the idea that mass killing only happens with guns.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2017 03:53 PM (39g3+)

60 He can't help it...it just flows out of him.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2017 03:52 PM (rF0hx)
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Oh you are HORRIBLE. Get. out.

Posted by: bluebell at February 22, 2017 03:53 PM (sBOL1)

61 More arms talk. You people are sick.

Posted by: Michelle Fields at February 22, 2017 03:53 PM (XoldI)

62 Ahem

When they wrote the Bill of Rights, MUSKETS WERE MILITARY WEAPONS!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 22, 2017 03:53 PM (kTF2Z)

63 This is all about getting a "tie" out of the SCOTUS

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 22, 2017 03:53 PM (hxWs0)

64 aaand....rifle orders go through roof.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 22, 2017 03:53 PM (vP09u)

65 You better get out there and buy up all the canteens you can find!

Posted by: Chupacabra at February 22, 2017 03:54 PM (o/Ar3)

66 This is all about getting a "tie" out of the SCOTUS

Exactimundo.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2017 03:54 PM (39g3+)

67 Well,9th circuit upheld a complete bullshit decision too.The courts are out of control.

Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2017 03:54 PM (r/0kC)

68 Excellent, I have been waiting for a gun thread. I went shooting for the first time on Monday. Got most shots in the orange circle at 5 yards with a Browning. Have found a new hobby.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at February 22, 2017 03:54 PM (dQJCS)

69 Oh you are HORRIBLE. Get. out.

Posted by: bluebell at February 22, 2017 03:53 PM (sBOL1)

Quite the snob I see.....bluebloods are so sensitive!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2017 03:54 PM (rF0hx)

70 I want a howitzer. And a pony, but mostly a howitzer. Fuck you HOA!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 22, 2017 03:55 PM (kTF2Z)

71 Cannons were owned by private citizens. It's not that they're stupid, but willfully so.

Posted by: Chupacabra at February 22, 2017 03:55 PM (o/Ar3)

72 Can we fill that damn opening already?
On the S/C I mean....

Posted by: IP at February 22, 2017 03:55 PM (hUtue)

73 Got most shots in the orange circle at 5 yards with a Browning.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at February 22, 2017 03:54 PM (dQJCS)

That's pretty short range for a shotgun.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2017 03:55 PM (rF0hx)

74 Straw -

On a seperate not, did you catch the announcement for the Spring 77 Box Set Dead.net is realeasing in May?

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2017 03:55 PM (NXfyF)

75 But what if my gun never assaults anyone?

Posted by: Adriane the Stupid Slogan Critic ... at February 22, 2017 03:55 PM (AoK0a)

76 66 This is all about getting a "tie" out of the SCOTUS

Exactimundo.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2017 03:54 PM (39g3+)

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Except, that result wouldn't result in any sort of precedent setting opinion, just the upholding of the lower court's ruling without application to the other circuits.

Have that happen, put Gorsuch on SCOTUS, and another lawsuit will come up, allowing for clarification and a higher court ruling.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 03:55 PM (vur0q)

77 The dissent makes the main point:

"Under the majority's analysis," the dissenters contend, "a settler's musket, the only weapon he would likely own and bring to militia service, would be most useful in military service -- undoubtedly a weapon of war -- and therefore not protected by the Second Amendment."

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 22, 2017 03:55 PM (10LGw)

78 I read this decision this morning. No way it is going to stand and I am not sure why they did it other than a dig at Trump. SCOTUS has already ruled that AR-15's are OK as they are in common use.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 22, 2017 03:56 PM (le7jz)

79 i see some of the last thread has bled over into thsi one.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 22, 2017 03:56 PM (vP09u)

80 "57 I'm kinda down with this decision.
Posted by: The Honorable John Roberts"


LOL. As bad as he was on O-Care, he voted the right way in Heller. Even Sotomayor might vote to overturn since such a no-brainer (Kagan, Breyer and RBG are hopeless).

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 22, 2017 03:56 PM (OD2ni)

81 Meanwhile in New Hampshire today their governor signed into law "constitutional carry".

Posted by: Marcus T at February 22, 2017 03:56 PM (F5sg8)

82 Posted by: JackStraw


Left you some local RI SWFF info in the old bloody thread.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at February 22, 2017 03:56 PM (mgbwf)

83 Yeah, there's no way to square that decision with Heller other than fuck you overturn us.


I see the Fourth is all jealous of the Ninth.

Posted by: alexthechick - all your caps are belong to me at February 22, 2017 03:56 PM (mf5HN)

84 >> i see some of the last thread has bled over into thsi one.


Once it starts, you can't just Pull a String and stop the Horde.

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2017 03:57 PM (NXfyF)

85 79 i see some of the last thread has bled over into thsi one.
--

Still a steady trickle of comments over there, by the way.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 22, 2017 03:57 PM (10LGw)

86 "most useful in military service"


Jeep bans!


Also , judges are pretty "useful in military service"...


Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 22, 2017 03:57 PM (KgpWR)

87 And a pony...

Posted by: Duke Lowell


*****


Hey, get in the back of the line!

Posted by: Muldoon at February 22, 2017 03:57 PM (wPiJc)

88 What is the process to impeach these asshats?

Posted by: Readers Digest at February 22, 2017 03:57 PM (6LwXe)

89 80
LOL. As bad as he was on O-Care, he voted the right way in Heller. Even Sotomayor might vote to overturn since such a no-brainer (Kagan, Breyer and RBG are hopeless).
Posted by: Benji Carver at February 22, 2017 03:56 PM (OD2ni)

=======================

I have higher faith in Kagan than Sotomayor.

Kagan reads like a dedicated leftist, but an honest one.

Sotomayor reads like a Tumblr girl who knows she knows more about economics than her economic professor.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 03:57 PM (vur0q)

90 For those calling for impeachment. On what grounds? Isn't the criteria high crimes and misdemeanors? I don't think stupid rulings qualify, but I'm not a lawyer.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 22, 2017 03:58 PM (kTF2Z)

91 "61 More arms talk. You people are sick.
Posted by: Michelle Fields"


A year later and still funny. She is showing her true colors at Huff Po now, correct?

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 22, 2017 03:58 PM (OD2ni)

92 Quit ragging on garrett and CBD

Posted by: L, Elle at February 22, 2017 03:58 PM (Rsi2C)

93 Know what else is a weapon of war? My Brown Bess with its 18" bayonet, Revolution and 1812.

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2017 03:58 PM (HDU3V)

94 This might be the time to mend fences
By talk about guns and not menses
One might kill you dead
But when Lena starts to spread
Her menses you might just lose your senses

Posted by: naturalfake at February 22, 2017 03:58 PM (vZ9Fw)

95 **
"Under the majority's analysis," the dissenters contend, "a settler's musket, the only weapon he would likely own and bring to militia service, would be most useful in military service -- undoubtedly a weapon of war -- and therefore not protected by the Second Amendment."

***

damn....!

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at February 22, 2017 03:59 PM (eClek)

96 I think they believe it is their sworn duty before Gaia and her prophet Obama to fight against Trumpism and the Reich with all the tools at their disposal, even if its unconstitutional and violates every concept of law and jurisprudence in history. They're the thin black line, holding out against the notorious DJT.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2017 03:59 PM (39g3+)

97 "Under the majority's analysis," the dissenters contend, "a settler's musket, the only weapon he would likely own and bring to militia service, would be most useful in military service -- undoubtedly a weapon of war -- and therefore not protected by the Second Amendment."



Which is the whole point of the 2nd.

Yeah. Past time for removal for incompetence.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2017 03:59 PM (jTv1/)

98 The Second Circuit ruled similarly in upholding the laws that NY and CT jammed through in the aftermath of Sandy Hook. IIRC another Circuit ruled the other way, so it's ripe for SCOTUS review, if they want to get into this.

Obama tried and failed to get an assault weapons ban and failed miserably. Bill Clinton got a temporary ban and, at the margin, it cost Al Gore the 2000 election. So we won't see anything federal for a long time, if ever.

The trend at the state level is pro-gunner with seven to ten Deep Blue states being anti-gun. I'd worry more about these Deep Blue States doing things like making ammo purchases hard.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 22, 2017 04:00 PM (SIY7D)

99 Sotomayor reads like a Tumblr girl who knows she knows more about economics than her economic professor.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 03:57 PM (vur0q)
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But she aced her gender studies course.

Posted by: Moron Pundit at February 22, 2017 04:00 PM (xeeHA)

100 I'm sure the MSM will cover this when they start asking Gorsuch about *stare decis*

Posted by: Farmer Joe at February 22, 2017 04:00 PM (zSMr0)

101 'Laws!? Laws?!....we dont need no stinkin law!'

We are 0's people. We ARE the law!

Signed,
Your 4th Circuit Overseers

Posted by: 'Cold Civil War'. That seems apt. at February 22, 2017 04:00 PM (38wkr)

102 >>-- undoubtedly a weapon of war -- and therefore not protected by the Second Amendment.


Funny.

The words 'Weapon of War' must be in the Penumbras.

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2017 04:00 PM (NXfyF)

103 Apparently once you go Lena doing Yoga you can never go back.

Posted by: Lily Formerly of HotAir (Now from AoSHQ)assassin in the night at February 22, 2017 04:00 PM (vivhj)

104 Got most shots in the orange circle at 5 yards with a Browning.
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at February 22

That's pretty short range for a shotgun.....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2017 03:55 PM (rF0hx)
Would there be any target left if it was a shotgun? ha

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at February 22, 2017 04:00 PM (dQJCS)

105 90 For those calling for impeachment. On what grounds? Isn't the criteria high crimes and misdemeanors? I don't think stupid rulings qualify, but I'm not a lawyer.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 22, 2017 03:58 PM (kTF2Z)


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Ruling by fiat and not by standing law is a high crime in my book.

Posted by: Soona at February 22, 2017 04:01 PM (Fmupd)

106 Is this the hockey thread? Because I want to talk about the Red Wings.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at February 22, 2017 04:01 PM (mgbwf)

107 Maryland needs to revert to territory status. it is an abomination that people who work in government get to make government policy.

they don't let me be my own judge when I get a speeding ticket.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2017 04:01 PM (cz0h6)

108 99 Sotomayor reads like a Tumblr girl who knows she knows more about economics than her economic professor.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 03:57 PM (vur0q)
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But she aced her gender studies course.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at February 22, 2017 04:00 PM (xeeHA)

======================

"Squeee! We all love her! My professor told me to!"
-Very smart college student who's struggling with their core classes but acing that gender studies course

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 04:02 PM (vur0q)

109 Shotguns at 5 yards throw a pretty small pattern, so there'd be plenty of target left.

Posted by: Chupacabra at February 22, 2017 04:02 PM (o/Ar3)

110 For those calling for impeachment. On what grounds? Isn't the criteria high crimes and misdemeanors? I don't think stupid rulings qualify, but I'm not a lawyer.
Posted by: Duke Lowell



Not impeachment. Removal for incompetence.

"Fourth Circuit Ignores Supreme Court's Heller Decision As Well As Its Own Precedents"


THAT'S incompetency.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2017 04:02 PM (jTv1/)

111 Weapons of War.

Someone never read the Miller decision from the 1930's.

Posted by: rd at February 22, 2017 04:02 PM (iT57s)

112 98
The Second Circuit ruled similarly in upholding the laws that NY and CT
jammed through in the aftermath of Sandy Hook. IIRC another Circuit
ruled the other way, so it's ripe for SCOTUS review, if they want to get
into this.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 22, 2017 04:00 PM (SIY7D)

That right there is the rub. Does dear Johnny boy (of ACA fame) want his Supreme Court to decide this. If/when this does rise to the SC, I hope it can wait until Gorsuch is in.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 22, 2017 04:03 PM (jxbfJ)

113 Can't these clowns be impeached when they rule outside of clearly written law and the Constitution?

Some of these would appear to be a slam-dunk.

Since judging is a very sweet gig, a few successful impeachments would probably end the most egregious nonsense...like this.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 22, 2017 04:03 PM (vZ9Fw)

114 Don't know much about history
Don't know much about precedents
Don't know much about legal decisions
Don't know much about the Latin I took

But I do know I got a fancy black robe
And I got me some real good ideas, dad
What a wonderful world it could be

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 22, 2017 04:03 PM (wB8Tg)

115 109 Shotguns at 5 yards throw a pretty small pattern, so there'd be plenty of target left.
Posted by: Chupacabra at February 22, 2017

Since I am a total gun newbie, I really didn't know! thanks!

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at February 22, 2017 04:03 PM (dQJCS)

116 Oh, for fucks sake, I wrote it in English!

Posted by: Thomas Jefferson at February 22, 2017 04:03 PM (kTF2Z)

117 >>On a seperate not, did you catch the announcement for the Spring 77 Box Set Dead.net is realeasing in May?

Do you mean the May 77 show? I got an email yesterday or the day before that it was already sold out.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2017 04:04 PM (/tuJf)

118 A circus clown gives me nightmares, but a circuit court gives me daymares.

Ya know, it's perfectly legal under federal law to own a cannon or a gatling gun (or a flamethrower, AtC's weapon of choice). I'd like to hear the 4th's reasoning on 'assault' rifles compared to these facts.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 22, 2017 04:04 PM (xpfRn)

119 Oh you are HORRIBLE. Get. out.

Posted by: bluebell


So we should send the men straight to yoga class?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at February 22, 2017 04:04 PM (9krrF)

120 I've never liked steak knives and I want them banned! But only from Maryland. Everyone else may keep cutting their meat up into bite-sized little tasty hunks, but people in Maryland must, from this moment forward, stab and gnaw only. Anything else would be racist, somewhere.

Posted by: goon at February 22, 2017 04:05 PM (EaQ6/)

121 From the article:

"There's a new kid in town, and he's coming for your rifles."


Good luck. Mine are rusting on the bottom of a very deep lake. Feel free to go diving for them if you wish.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 22, 2017 04:05 PM (jxbfJ)

122 "I see the Fourth is all jealous of the Ninth.

Posted by: alexthechick -"


Yup. It has become a lib hellhole. Still don;t understand why the Redskins took their PTO appeal to the EDVa and then the 4th Circuit instead of going to the Federal Circuit. If the Slants case is any indication, the Federal Circuit probably would have sided with the Redskins and found 2(a) unconstitutional. Oh well, the questions is with the SC now. (Slants, not Redskins).

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 22, 2017 04:05 PM (OD2ni)

123 >>>>>Obama tried and failed to get an assault weapons ban and failed
miserably. Bill Clinton got a temporary ban and, at the margin, it cost
Al Gore the 2000 election. So we won't see anything federal for a long
time, if ever.



The trend at the state level is pro-gunner with seven to ten Deep
Blue states being anti-gun. I'd worry more about these Deep Blue States
doing things like making ammo purchases hard.
.
.
.
.Any new Federal gun control legislation is not going to happen. Look at what happened when the dems had complete control of all three branches...we got obamacare, that's it. Even when they could have passed anything anti-gun they wanted to, they didn't even push it or bring it up much because they know it costs them votes.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 22, 2017 04:05 PM (le7jz)

124 Banning so-called assault weapons is like banning cars with racing stripes. There's nothing special about an AR-15 except that it looks cool.

Personally, if I was going to shoot up a kindergarten I'd use a couple of 17 round Glocks and practice my reloading.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 22, 2017 04:05 PM (SIY7D)

125 I think the Fourth Circuit is wrong but we should really blame Scalia for coming up with the useful-in-military-service exception to the 2nd Amendment. Here's a quote of his from the original Heller decision that was referenced by the Fourth circuit:

"We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those "in common use at the time." 307 U. S., at 179. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of "dangerous and unusual weapons." See 4 Blackstone 148-149 (1769); 3 B. Wilson, Works of the Honourable James Wilson 79 (1804); J. Dunlap, The New-York Justice 8 (1815); C. Humphreys, A Compendium of the Common Law in Force in Kentucky 482 (1822); 1 W. Russell, A Treatise on Crimes and Indictable Misdemeanors 271-272 (1831); H. Stephen, Summary of the Criminal Law 48 (1840); E. Lewis, An Abridgment of the Criminal Law of the United States 64 (1847); F. Wharton, A Treatise on the Criminal Law of the United States 726 (1852). See also State v. Langford, 10 N. C. 381, 383-384 (1824); O'Neill v. State, 16Ala. 65, 67 (1849); English v. State, 35Tex. 473, 476 (1871); State v. Lanier, 71 N. C. 288, 289 (1874).

It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service - M-16 rifles and the like - may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment's ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right."

Posted by: Maetenloch at February 22, 2017 04:05 PM (pAlYe)

126 Black-robed fascists.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 22, 2017 04:05 PM (0mRoj)

127 @89
I have higher faith in Kagan than Sotomayor.

Kagan reads like a dedicated leftist, but an honest one.
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I thought Kagan was the one who said she'd vote to overturn Heller? Or am I thinking of RBG?

Posted by: junior at February 22, 2017 04:06 PM (nsZ+m)

128 Someone never read the Miller decision from the 1930's.

Posted by: rd at February 22, 2017 04:02 PM (iT57s)


No, they don't *care*.

Seriously, how many of the left's standard positions are based on the idea that the law is just a tool to use against your opponents and ignore yourself?

They whipsaw back and forth of issues of law it's a wonder any of them can appear without a neck brace.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 22, 2017 04:06 PM (wB8Tg)

129 I'm running out of membership levels @NRA, may just have to start throwing money at NRA-ILA.

Posted by: Chupacabra at February 22, 2017 04:06 PM (o/Ar3)

130 Second look at machine shop hobby clubs?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 22, 2017 04:06 PM (VaQ4B)

131 So we should send the men straight to yoga class?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at February 22, 2017 04:04 PM (9krrF)
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Yes. All of them who feel compelled to bring that godforsaken thread into this one can go take yoga with Lena. Blech.

Meanwhile, I've never been so happy to hear my dryer buzz. Off to fold laundry.

Posted by: bluebell at February 22, 2017 04:06 PM (sBOL1)

132 I shudder to think what would have happened to gun rights in this country had Hillary won.

We really dodged a bullet.

Posted by: Maritime at February 22, 2017 04:07 PM (zQPZI)

133 It's just plain mean to own guns.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at February 22, 2017 04:07 PM (U6f54)

134 123 Any new Federal gun control legislation is not going to happen. Look at what happened when the dems had complete control of all three branches...we got obamacare, that's it. Even when they could have passed anything anti-gun they wanted to, they didn't even push it or bring it up much because they know it costs them votes.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 22, 2017 04:05 PM (le7jz)

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If they couldn't do anything immediately after Obama's election with emotions running sky-high due to Sandy Hook, then they'll never pass anything through Congress in the next generation.

It has to come from the courts, if the left wants to get their way.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 04:07 PM (vur0q)

135 "they didn't even push it or bring it up much because they know it costs them votes. "

Obama and the Ds did push it, and hard, right after Sandy Hook. Too many D Congresscritters are in pro-gun states.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 22, 2017 04:07 PM (SIY7D)

136 Ok, not impeachment, but removal for incompetence? I know the process for the former, but not the latter. How would that work?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 22, 2017 04:08 PM (kTF2Z)

137 98 The Second Circuit ruled similarly in upholding the laws that NY and CT jammed through in the aftermath of Sandy Hook. IIRC another Circuit ruled the other way, so it's ripe for SCOTUS review, if they want to get into this.

Obama tried and failed to get an assault weapons ban and failed miserably. Bill Clinton got a temporary ban and, at the margin, it cost Al Gore the 2000 election. So we won't see anything federal for a long time, if ever.

The trend at the state level is pro-gunner with seven to ten Deep Blue states being anti-gun. I'd worry more about these Deep Blue States doing things like making ammo purchases hard.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 22, 2017 04:00 PM (SIY7D)


Or by regulation of declaring ammo to be "toxic" because of its lead content and banning it.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 22, 2017 04:08 PM (9YPtX)

138 >>Left you some local RI SWFF info in the old bloody thread.

Thanks, just looked. There's actually a store over on the big island that focuses almost exclusively on saltwater fly fishing. They are the folks that put together the course in conjunction with Orvis.

I normally hate these things but I figure it can't hurt to have a couple days instruction on the basics. I've been doing saltwater fishing with spinning and trolling gear forever but never did the fly thing and yea, it's as popular as ever here if not more so.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2017 04:08 PM (/tuJf)

139 AR-15's are nothing like M-16's, and why this is especially stupid.

Posted by: Chupacabra at February 22, 2017 04:08 PM (o/Ar3)

140 @112 That right there is the rub. Does dear Johnny boy (of ACA fame) want his Supreme Court to decide this. If/when this does rise to the SC, I hope it can wait until Gorsuch is in.
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Unless the Supreme Court expedites the hearing, isn't it pretty much a given at this point that Gorsuch will be on the court by then? When does he have to be in to make the next season? If he's nominated mid-season, does he have to wait until the next season to take his seat on the court?

Posted by: junior at February 22, 2017 04:08 PM (nsZ+m)

141 A Maet sighting. Hope all is well.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at February 22, 2017 04:08 PM (dQJCS)

142 "It has to come from the courts, if the left wants to get their way."

The courts can only bless legislation. It won't be federal. And there are only seven to ten anti-gun states.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 22, 2017 04:08 PM (SIY7D)

143 >>Do you mean the May 77 show? I got an email yesterday or the day before that it was already sold out.


Only the Limited Edition / Deluxe Set.

The Music Only Set is still available. And the Book will also be available, seperately.

...and I ordered 2.

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2017 04:08 PM (NXfyF)

144 MAET

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 22, 2017 04:09 PM (wB8Tg)

145 We are all the 9th now... $%#**** judges.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 22, 2017 04:09 PM (f5uaD)

146 >>>>>I shudder to think what would have happened to gun rights in this country had Hillary won.



We really dodged a bullet.
.
.
.I dodged bullets often in my career let me tell you.......many a time I was jinking and weaving while dodging sniper fire or floating bodies.......I did it all.

Posted by: Brian Williams at February 22, 2017 04:09 PM (le7jz)

147
Banning so-called assault weapons is like banning cars with racing stripes.

No one needs a fully automatic car with stripes.

Posted by: Ruth Bogus Ginsburg at February 22, 2017 04:09 PM (IqV8l)

148 The Fourth Circus Court has said
We will be peaceful even if we're dead
All the gun owners
Got very large boners
And told the court to suck them instead

(oh if only that would happen)

Posted by: Gork at February 22, 2017 04:09 PM (9JDsW)

149 @124 I'd worry more about these Deep Blue States doing things like making ammo purchases hard.
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That's what California appears to be moving toward.

Posted by: junior at February 22, 2017 04:09 PM (nsZ+m)

150 Which one is the one who looks like Brendan Fraser? Not the Wise Latinx?

Posted by: SFGoth at February 22, 2017 04:09 PM (dZ756)

151 Second look at machine shop hobby clubs?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan!
No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 22, 2017 04:06 PM
(VaQ4B)


https://ghostgunner.net/


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2017 04:10 PM (rF0hx)

152 The whole "military" is such complete bullshit, especially since AR-15s were specifically made as a CIVILIAN version of the M-16.

It's not a "military" weapon, even though that should not be a "test" anyway.

Posted by: Maritime at February 22, 2017 04:10 PM (zQPZI)

153 At some point people are going to want scalps from these justices and move towards impeachment.

This is becoming an abject failure to uphold the law and constitution as written and interpreted. It's about people placing their own predilection above the law they swore to uphold.

You want to know why people don't respect the law and courts? This is exhibit number one.

They should start to police their own before the people move to clean them out.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 22, 2017 04:10 PM (F5sg8)

154 135
"they didn't even push it or bring it up much because they know it costs them votes. "



Obama and the Ds did push it, and hard, right after Sandy Hook. Too many D Congresscritters are in pro-gun states.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 22, 2017 04:07 PM (SIY7D)

Tell me about it. NH -from a federal representative position -is all D.Surprisingly, Sununu signed the Constitutional Carry legislation for us.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 22, 2017 04:10 PM (jxbfJ)

155 142 "It has to come from the courts, if the left wants to get their way."

The courts can only bless legislation. It won't be federal. And there are only seven to ten anti-gun states.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 22, 2017 04:08 PM (SIY7D)

=======================

"Hold my beer."
-Every federal justice to the left of Kennedy

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 04:10 PM (vur0q)

156 >>Only the Limited Edition / Deluxe Set.

>>The Music Only Set is still available. And the Book will also be available, seperately.

>>...and I ordered 2.

Sweet. I saw sold out and punted. I'll definitely check that out.

I have sirius in the Jeep and they've been teasing with a few cuts on the Dead channel. It sounds fantastic.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2017 04:10 PM (/tuJf)

157 85 79 i see some of the last thread has bled over into thsi one.
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Still a steady trickle of comments over there, by the way.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 22, 2017 03:57 PM (10LGw)
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Yeah, I spotted that, too.

Posted by: Prisha at February 22, 2017 04:10 PM (adsVM)

158 Oh shit, that applies to me in Virginia, well fuck them

Posted by: Jean at February 22, 2017 03:51 PM (k2cV9)


Sideways with a flaming pineapple.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 22, 2017 04:11 PM (f5uaD)

159 Is there an 'official' definition for 'assault weapon'?

Posted by: davidt at February 22, 2017 04:11 PM (XoldI)

160 Off, Indian sock!

Posted by: Brunette the 'Ette at February 22, 2017 04:11 PM (adsVM)

161 Ok, not impeachment, but removal for incompetence? I know the process for the former, but not the latter. How would that work?



That I don't know. But there has to be something. I know they are supposed to be lifetime appointments, but if a judge has went off the rails, there has to be a way to remove them.

And honestly? Going against established law and your own previous precedents tells me you have went off the rails.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2017 04:11 PM (jTv1/)

162 >> It sounds fantastic.


Betty Boards, FTW!

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2017 04:12 PM (NXfyF)

163
Is there an 'official' definition for 'assault weapon'?
Posted by: davidt at February 22, 2017 04:11 PM (XoldI)
_______________________________


Black and scary looking with a handle and thingy on the end that goes up.

Posted by: IP at February 22, 2017 04:12 PM (hUtue)

164 Assault weapons are select fire, IOW's capable of automatic fire. Which civilians don't have.

Posted by: Chupacabra at February 22, 2017 04:12 PM (o/Ar3)

165 Judge Gregory, chief of the Fourth Circuit, joined the opinion in full.

That would be the same leftist Gregory who had originally snuck in as a recess appointment by Bill Clinton, and then, when the recess appointment expired, was promptly reappointed to the post, in the name of imagined bipartisan comity, by that utterly useless shitrag George W. Bush.

::: spits :::

Posted by: torquewrench at February 22, 2017 04:12 PM (noWW6)

166 149
@124 I'd worry more about these Deep Blue States doing things like making ammo purchases hard.

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That's what California appears to be moving toward.



Posted by: junior at February 22, 2017 04:09 PM (nsZ+m)

And New York.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 22, 2017 04:12 PM (jxbfJ)

167 For the most part.

Posted by: Chupacabra at February 22, 2017 04:13 PM (o/Ar3)

168 Is there an 'official' definition for 'assault weapon'?




No. It's a fake news made up term.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2017 04:13 PM (jTv1/)

169 WA state is considering a liability insurance requirement for all gun owners.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 22, 2017 04:13 PM (6LwXe)

170 Had Obama gone after guns, I think he would have lost his reelection in 2012.

Everybody speculates why Trump did so well in rural parts of the country, nobody ever seems to bring up gun rights.

It was a big sleeper issue and Trump PROUDLY told people he was endorsed by the NRA.

Posted by: Maritime at February 22, 2017 04:13 PM (zQPZI)

171 I heard this on the radio. Apparently the court ruled that the 2nd doesn't cover 'weapons of war.'

*head*desk*

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 22, 2017 04:13 PM (oVJmc)

172 Is there an 'official' definition for 'assault weapon'?


Posted by: davidt at February 22, 2017 04:11 PM (XoldI)

Whatever the fuck we say it is

Posted by: Our Unelected Black-robed Betters at February 22, 2017 04:13 PM (f5uaD)

173
It is a constant source of wonder--and irritation-- that the 2nd Amendment, written in black and white, can be read in so many shades of grey.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 22, 2017 04:13 PM (X35Yt)

174
Is there an 'official' definition for 'assault weapon'?
Posted by: davidt


It's like obscenity. Indefinable but you know it when you see it.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 22, 2017 04:13 PM (IqV8l)

175 @154 Tell me about it. NH -from a federal representative position -is all D.Surprisingly, Sununu signed the Constitutional Carry legislation for us.
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Wasn't it nearby Connecticut that got less than 10 percent cooperation with the new gun registration law? I suspect that was on Sununu's mind when the CC legislation came up.

Posted by: junior at February 22, 2017 04:13 PM (nsZ+m)

176 171 I heard this on the radio. Apparently the court ruled that the 2nd doesn't cover 'weapons of war.'

*head*desk*
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 22, 2017 04:13 PM (oVJmc)

======================

So...handguns?

Do soldiers use those anymore? Would they qualify?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 04:14 PM (vur0q)

177 Good possibility that Trump got PA over guns.

Posted by: Chupacabra at February 22, 2017 04:14 PM (o/Ar3)

178
I heard this on the radio. Apparently the court ruled that the 2nd doesn't cover 'weapons of war.'

Which war?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 22, 2017 04:14 PM (IqV8l)

179 They must want Trump 2020. Because this is how you get Trump 2020.

Posted by: Iasonas at February 22, 2017 04:14 PM (2O9Sc)

180 Assault hammers kill more people than scary looking carbines year by year though a couple of mass murders recently might ruin their record.

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2017 04:15 PM (HDU3V)

181 Living and governing well is the best revenge.

Early in her campaign Hillary was loudly anti-gun. Someone got her to shut up, but the damage was done in states like PA and MI which are big gun states outside their cities.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 22, 2017 04:15 PM (SIY7D)

182 In NY you can't buy ammo online anymore. So we just go to PA with a uhaul.

Oh and last month the NYSP decided that part of Cuomo's gun legislation demanded they register every handgun in the state. So they've started that process which also requires a renewal every five years.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 22, 2017 04:15 PM (F5sg8)

183 Types


Deletes

It was something involving 'first against the wall'.


Posted by: An Observation at February 22, 2017 04:16 PM (vX3kY)

184 181 Living and governing well is the best revenge.

Early in her campaign Hillary was loudly anti-gun. Someone got her to shut up, but the damage was done in states like PA and MI which are big gun states outside their cities.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 22, 2017 04:15 PM (SIY7D)

====================

"We're gonna put a lot of coal mines out of business" probably didn't help either.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 04:16 PM (vur0q)

185 @159 Is there an 'official' definition for 'assault weapon'?
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Nope.

The reason why gun control advocates use the phrase "assault weapon" is because it sounds close enough to "assault rifle". And that's an actual weapon classification.

"Assault weapon" means pretty much whatever the user wants it to mean.

Posted by: junior at February 22, 2017 04:16 PM (nsZ+m)

186 The only safe thing to do, is to break every finger in America so that we can't pull triggers very fast. uh-huh. That's legalize for "finger-cuff" America, and also, please, keep them out of my neighborhood if they ever do break out of their bible-thumping, gun-loving, law-abiding-citizen enclaves.

Posted by: goon at February 22, 2017 04:16 PM (EaQ6/)

187 Good possibility that Trump got PA over guns.
Posted by: Chupacabra at February 22, 2017 04:14 PM

One of the factors causing why I said PA was going to go for Trump.

Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2017 04:16 PM (HDU3V)

188
Didn't the majority opinion cite frickin' OPINION POLLS? I only skimmed a different article on it, but I'm pretty sure I saw that.

Since when does opinion poll = precedent in Constitutional Law?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 22, 2017 04:17 PM (XWkhW)

189 182
In NY you can't buy ammo online anymore. So we just go to PA with a uhaul.



Oh and last month the NYSP decided that part of Cuomo's gun
legislation demanded they register every handgun in the state. So
they've started that process which also requires a renewal every five
years.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 22, 2017 04:15 PM (F5sg

Come to NH instead - save you the sales tax.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 22, 2017 04:17 PM (jxbfJ)

190 @164 Assault weapons are select fire, IOW's capable of automatic fire. Which civilians don't have.
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That's an Assault Rifle. Assault Weapon is a made-up term meant to invoke the former.

Posted by: junior at February 22, 2017 04:17 PM (nsZ+m)

191 Even the cities in PA are a lot more pro-gun than the shitlibs think. I know a lot of people with a license to carry in Philly, and thats just my little orbit of people.

Posted by: Chupacabra at February 22, 2017 04:17 PM (o/Ar3)

192 >>>Trump has to fill the 9th SCOTUS seat.



And then add 2 more..... no more fucking around!!!

Posted by: RigForRed at February 22, 2017 04:17 PM (jjaLl)

193 159 Is there an 'official' definition for 'assault weapon'?

Black paint and plastic

Posted by: Rick in SK at February 22, 2017 04:17 PM (FZYNt)

194 102 >>-- undoubtedly a weapon of war -- and therefore not protected by the Second Amendment.


Funny.

The words 'Weapon of War' must be in the Penumbras.
Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2017 04:00 PM (NXfyF)

Lets see... a Militia is a body of Men called together, for MILITARY service.

They bring their OWN arms, to serve the State...

So how can you call forth a militia, if they do not have Weapons OF War?

Posted by: Wolverine at February 22, 2017 04:17 PM (qf6WZ)

195 Science magazine: the Yamnaya migration 3000 bc, associated with the indo european languages, was made of men

so, an invasion, presumably armed. either that or bronze age Europe was (literally) full of cucks.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2017 04:18 PM (L/Hik)

196 >>>>
Assault weapons are select fire, IOW's capable of automatic fire. Which civilians don't have.
.
.
.Just as a point of order, there are quite a few select fire weapons roaming around in the US. You do have to pay the Federal Taxman $$$$ and be in a State that allows them to get one if you can find someone willing to part with one. The last time I was looking for Class III stuff they were running about $20,000 for an M-16.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 22, 2017 04:18 PM (le7jz)

197 No. It's a fake news made up term.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2017 04:13 PM (jTv1/)

Sturmgewehr.

Automatic weapon firing a lighter cartridge than a battle rifle, and built shorter for more portability and maneuverability.

At least that's how I define it.

An AR15 is about as far from that as any other semi-auto rifle made in the world.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2017 04:18 PM (rF0hx)

198 You've got that right. A good sneak with a hammer will cause these people to lay awake at night wondering where things went so wrong.

Posted by: goon at February 22, 2017 04:18 PM (EaQ6/)

199 The 'most useful in military service ' as a bar contradicts the plain language of the 2nd. First the Anti second people say the 2nd is for militia purposes only but then say but you can't have militia purpose weapons.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 22, 2017 04:18 PM (0q4vG)

200 "Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 22, 2017 04:17 PM (jxbfJ)"

Been up to North Conway looking around. :-)

Posted by: Marcus T at February 22, 2017 04:18 PM (F5sg8)

201 Is there an 'official' definition for 'assault weapon'?

Posted by: davidt at February 22, 2017 04:11 PM (XoldI)


The only "legit" use I know of in the US military is/was for weapons used to assault a fortified position - grenade launchers, small cannon, flamethrowers...

The political term is basically "shit that scares Democrats," or "rifles of swarthy complexion."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 22, 2017 04:18 PM (wB8Tg)

202 @182 In NY you can't buy ammo online anymore. So we just go to PA with a uhaul.
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IIRC, going out of state to buy ammo is now illegal in California.

Posted by: junior at February 22, 2017 04:18 PM (nsZ+m)

203 Sturmgewehr.

Automatic weapon firing a lighter cartridge than a battle rifle, and built shorter for more portability and maneuverability.



Which is an assault rifle and not an assault weapon.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2017 04:19 PM (jTv1/)

204 And no rapiers, either. For the women.

Posted by: Fourth Circuit at February 22, 2017 04:19 PM (GX63o)

205 "We're gonna put a lot of coal mines out of business" probably didn't help either.

It's hard to fathom someone clueless enough to actually admit that during a campaign season.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 22, 2017 04:19 PM (fDdVG)

206 Class III stuff they were running about $20,000 for an M-16.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 22, 2017 04:18 PM (le7jz)

What if I build one on an 80% lower?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2017 04:19 PM (rF0hx)

207 191
Even the cities in PA are a lot more pro-gun than the shitlibs think. I know a lot of people with a license to carry in Philly, and thats just my little orbit of people.

Posted by: Chupacabra at February 22, 2017 04:17 PM (o/Ar3)

Not to mention those with states that have reciprocity with PA

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 22, 2017 04:20 PM (jxbfJ)

208 IIRC, going out of state to buy ammo is now illegal in California.



Tell me again. How well are they doing keeping out heroin and coke?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2017 04:20 PM (jTv1/)

209 ""We're gonna put a lot of coal mines out of business" probably didn't help either."

Yep. I noted at the time that Hillary was doing and saying things that would only help her in states that were already Deep Blue, and that she was pissing off non-college whites in states that could and would swing against her.

But she's some super-genius politician. Wellesley and Yale Law, how do you compete against that?

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 22, 2017 04:20 PM (SIY7D)

210 Which is an assault rifle and not an assault weapon.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2017 04:19 PM (jTv1/)

Oh...I see...we are actually reading the question and not just blathering on without any connection to reality!

You could have warned me.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2017 04:21 PM (rF0hx)

211 Hmmm....

I carried 12 Guage pump shotguns, and 45s doing boarding ops for the US Navy...

Therefore, those are Weapons of War.

I guess those should be illegal as well?

Posted by: Don Q. at February 22, 2017 04:21 PM (qf6WZ)

212 I was saying the same thing, Skip. I was also talking about the sheer number of gays I knew who were secret Trump supporters. If that identity group was thinking of voting for him, others were, too.

Posted by: Chupacabra at February 22, 2017 04:21 PM (o/Ar3)

213 205 "We're gonna put a lot of coal mines out of business" probably didn't help either.

It's hard to fathom someone clueless enough to actually admit that during a campaign season.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 22, 2017 04:19 PM (fDdVG)

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"She just the best!"
-Lena (because we can't get enough)

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 04:21 PM (vur0q)

214 Hard to believe you can get a decent AR for under $500 now but they're out there . God bless America and Texas.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 22, 2017 04:21 PM (0q4vG)

215 200
"Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 22, 2017 04:17 PM (jxbfJ)"



Been up to North Conway looking around. :-)

Posted by: Marcus T at February 22, 2017 04:18 PM (F5sg

Next time head a little south towards Portsmouth. Let me know -first round of beers on me.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 22, 2017 04:22 PM (jxbfJ)

216 Why doesn't the second amendment protect weapons of war?

Posted by: Jean at February 22, 2017 04:22 PM (zZb/S)

217 No civilian needs a Weapon of War, until the government becomes Tyrannical.

Which is the reason for the 2nd Amendment.

Posted by: davidt at February 22, 2017 04:22 PM (XoldI)

218 Posted by: junior at February 22, 2017 04:18 PM (nsZ+m)

Since when is an individual state allowed to regulate interstate commerce?

That was a rhetorical question.

Posted by: Iasonas at February 22, 2017 04:22 PM (2O9Sc)

219 Weapons of War?

The 2nd amendment was written expressly to prohibit the government from seizing weapons of war from the citizenry because an armed citizen was the last line of defense from an oppressive government.

An armed citizen militia was expressly the preferred method of national security because the founders knew that a standing army, under the control of those who governed, would eventually be used against the citizens, in addition to being very expensive and vulnerable to corruption. They rebelled against such an abusive government, and wrote the second amendment to insure that 'we, the people' would have the means to resist a tyrannical government.

Disarming the people is the second step toward an oppressive government. The first step is control of 'news' and information. Thus the first amendment, and then the second.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 22, 2017 04:22 PM (DPObg)

220 >>>>Class III stuff they were running about $20,000 for an M-16.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 22, 2017 04:18 PM (le7jz)

What if I build one on an 80% lower?
.
.
.
.Can't do it legally after the 1986 ban unfortunately. If the ATF finds out you are in a world of $hit, and they do go after people who do that.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 22, 2017 04:23 PM (le7jz)

221 The fucking leftist don't give a damn about the Constitution, the law or precedent.

We need to stop with nominating fucking cyphers and put our own apparatchicks onto the courts.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 22, 2017 04:23 PM (3Xxpy)

222 214
Hard to believe you can get a decent AR for under $500 now but they're out there . God bless America and Texas.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 22, 2017 04:21 PM (0q4vG)

Lowers are pretty cheap too. These things are like barbies, but for men.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 22, 2017 04:23 PM (jxbfJ)

223 "IIRC, going out of state to buy ammo is now illegal in California"

You now have to have a background check here in CA to buy ammo.

The previous CA ammo buying restrictions (struck down in court) came from the plastic Austrian android via Hollyweird, married amicably into the Kennedy clan, while masquerading as a "Republican", Ahnuld der Schtuppenfuhrer.


Posted by: torquewrench at February 22, 2017 04:23 PM (noWW6)

224 I will say it again.

The Founders would be aghast at our lack of Heavy Artillary.

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2017 04:24 PM (NXfyF)

225
"We're gonna put a lot of coal mines out of business" probably didn't help either.

It's hard to fathom someone clueless enough to actually admit that during a campaign season.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke


Well, to be fair she did get 3 million more votes.
Just not the necessary 3 million.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 22, 2017 04:24 PM (IqV8l)

226 56 46
For the love of all that's holy , ace, BURN THE LAST THREAD WITH GASOLINE


Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 22, 2017 03:50 PM (KgpWR)

Wait. I think there are still some people stuck in Lena's vag.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 22, 2017 03:52 PM (GX63o)


You think they want to die over 1000 years digested slowly in the pit of sarlaac?

Posted by: TexasDan at February 22, 2017 04:24 PM (yL25O)

227 I added a for the most part a couple of posts down from my no select fire stuff, GWS.

Posted by: Chupacabra at February 22, 2017 04:24 PM (o/Ar3)

228 Can't do it legally after the 1986 ban
unfortunately. If the ATF finds out you are in a world of $hit, and they
do go after people who do that.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 22, 2017 04:23 PM (le7jz)

How would they know?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2017 04:24 PM (rF0hx)

229 Good luck. Mine are rusting on the bottom of a very deep lake. Feel free to go diving for them if you wish.

Unfortunate fishing accident, that.

Posted by: cornbred at February 22, 2017 04:24 PM (5Gl8a)

230 Ok, I looked it up. Impeachment is the only tool to remove a judge. However, there is no mention of high crimes and misdemeanors in article two so they can be impeached for incompetence. It just doesn't happen very often.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 22, 2017 04:24 PM (kTF2Z)

231 Just found a Bren Gun for sale near me:

Model:

Bren MK1


Cash Price:
$24,995.00


50/50 Payments:
$25,995.00


Status:
In Stock, Form 3

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 22, 2017 04:25 PM (le7jz)

232 Departed:
Frank Costello: I'm concerned about a Chinaman who thinks it's wise to come to a business transaction with automatic weapons.
[to the Chinese translator]
Frank Costello: For his own good, tell Bruce Lee and the Karate Kids none of us are carrying automatic weapons. Because here - in this country... it don't add inches to your dick. You get a life sentence for it.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 22, 2017 04:25 PM (SIY7D)

233 Ban buses!

DUBLIN, Calif. (KGO) -- A veteran Alameda County sheriff's deputy is in critical condition on life support after being struck by a transportation vehicle at Santa Rita Jail in Dublin early this morning, a sheriff's spokesman said.

http://tinyurl.com/hj9c8k2

Prayers up to the deputy and his family.

Best sentence in article:

"He said the news media is not welcome at the hospital."

Posted by: SMFH at February 22, 2017 04:25 PM (CRotO)

234 220 >>>>Class III stuff they were running about $20,000 for an M-16.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 22, 2017 04:18 PM (le7jz)

What if I build one on an 80% lower?
.
.
.
.Can't do it legally after the 1986 ban unfortunately. If the ATF finds out you are in a world of $hit, and they do go after people who do that.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 22, 2017 04:23 PM (le7jz)


Yeah. That's an easy way to 15 years. Don't even think about it.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 22, 2017 04:25 PM (yL25O)

235 211
Hmmm....



I carried 12 Guage pump shotguns, and 45s doing boarding ops for the US Navy...



Therefore, those are Weapons of War.



I guess those should be illegal as well?

Posted by: Don Q. at February 22, 2017 04:21 PM (qf6WZ)

SHHHH!!! Don't give them any ideas.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 22, 2017 04:25 PM (jxbfJ)

236 What if I build one on an 80% lower?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2017 04:19 PM (rF0hx)


Depends how much you like prison sex.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 22, 2017 04:25 PM (wB8Tg)

237 Six finger, six finger
Man alive
How'd I ever get along with five?

Posted by: wth at February 22, 2017 04:26 PM (HgMAr)

238 37 My 1911 is a weapon of war, WWI
Posted by: Skip at February 22, 2017 03:49 PM (HDU3V)

The Navy carried them up until the mid-90's.

So I guess they're not OK according the the 4th circuit.

Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at February 22, 2017 04:26 PM (tapYd)

239 Trump needs to be proactive; roll up the entire democong party and their front groups under RICO conspiracy law. Don't forget their RINO buttbois

(we had this discussion a couple of weeks ago)

Posted by: Grad School Fool at February 22, 2017 04:27 PM (swEzU)

240 Just by that hunk of plastic , Slider to turn your AR into full auto.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 22, 2017 04:27 PM (0q4vG)

241
The whole "military" is such complete bullshit, especially since AR-15s were specifically made as a CIVILIAN version of the M-16.

It's not a "military" weapon, even though that should not be a "test" anyway.

Posted by: Maritime at February 22, 2017 04:10 PM (zQPZI)







If memory serves, the AR-15 came first, and the M-16 was the military version of the previous civilian rifle. The USAF purchased the civilian rifles for their nuke security forces (I believe that Curtis LeMay actually purchased them with his own personal funds at first, and was later reimbursed).

Going off memory there, so take it with a grain of salt.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 22, 2017 04:27 PM (XWkhW)

242 >>>>Weapons of War?



The 2nd amendment was written expressly to prohibit the government
from seizing weapons of war from the citizenry because an armed citizen
was the last line of defense from an oppressive government.



An armed citizen militia was expressly the preferred method of
national security because the founders knew that a standing army, under
the control of those who governed, would eventually be used against the
citizens, in addition to being very expensive and vulnerable to
corruption. They rebelled against such an abusive government, and wrote
the second amendment to insure that 'we, the people' would have the
means to resist a tyrannical government.



Disarming the people is the second step toward an oppressive
government. The first step is control of 'news' and information. Thus
the first amendment, and then the second.
.
.
.
.And the shot hear around the World that started the American Revolution was caused by the British going to Boston to deny the Colonists powder for their assault muskets.

A little bit of history goes a long way and every Judge should be tested regularly and thoroughly.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 22, 2017 04:27 PM (le7jz)

243 225
Well, to be fair she did get 3 million more votes.
Just not the necessary 3 million.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 22, 2017 04:24 PM (IqV8l)

======================

And Democrats seem dead set and repeating that exact same experience.

Maybe it's a long con in order to convince America to drop the electoral college.

"Democrats keep winning with the popular vote, but losing the electoral college! It's happened 3 times in a row now! Hey, all you red states, you should agree to a constitutional convention that makes it easier for Democrats to win the White House!"
-The DNC, 2025

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 04:27 PM (vur0q)

244 "Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 22, 2017 04:17 PM (jxbfJ)"

Deal

Posted by: Marcus T at February 22, 2017 04:27 PM (F5sg8)

245 These judges need to face consequences. The lack therof is why they do this stuff.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at February 22, 2017 04:27 PM (m3iiU)

246 That would be the same leftist Gregory who had originally snuck in as a recess appointment by Bill Clinton, and then, when the recess appointment expired, was promptly reappointed to the post, in the name of imagined bipartisan comity, by that utterly useless shitrag George W. Bush.

::: spits :::

Posted by: torquewrench at February 22, 2017 04:12 PM (noWW6)


To be fair, Bush did say he would sign an assault weapons ban extension if one landed on his desk.

Posted by: Keith at February 22, 2017 04:28 PM (USf3s)

247 impeachment for clear misreading of precedent, or in case of 9th cir, not even mentioning/analyzing appropriate statutes.

it's not that tough

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at February 22, 2017 04:28 PM (eClek)

248 I could have used TOW back in the day.

Posted by: Bill Ayers at February 22, 2017 04:28 PM (6LwXe)

249 Is there an 'official' definition for 'assault weapon'?
Posted by: davidt


Outside of the vain and stupid attempts by various state legislatures, their cant' be.

It's a redundant phrase, a pleonasm.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 22, 2017 04:28 PM (4YGWz)

250 Hmmm.....wonder about that ghostgunner thing. Looks spiffy, but sorta single-purpose. Now, if we can get to open-source STENs and pps - and the boys in the sheet metal shops do their part....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 22, 2017 04:28 PM (VaQ4B)

251 What if I build one on an 80% lower?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2017 04:19 PM (rF0hx)

Depends how much you like prison sex.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 22, 2017 04:25 PM (wB8Tg)
----------------

Shall I go ahead and order more cake-sized files? Seems like there may be a need.

Posted by: bluebell at February 22, 2017 04:28 PM (sBOL1)

252 99 Sotomayor reads like a Tumblr girl who knows she knows more about economics than her economic professor.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 03:57 PM
~~~~~

Nailed her. I was in high school with her, and she was a pain in the butt even then. Loud and obnoxious too.

Posted by: IrishEi at February 22, 2017 04:29 PM (HiDrR)

253 Can't do it legally after the 1986 ban
unfortunately. If the ATF finds out you are in a world of $hit, and they
do go after people who do that.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 22, 2017 04:23 PM (le7jz)

How would they know?



The drop in parts, which aren't the same as semi auto parts, are highly regulated. (Sear, bolt, etc)

You can get semi parts cash & carry. Those that have the fa stuff require paperwork before they'll sell.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2017 04:29 PM (jTv1/)

254 Is the AoS masthead missing for anyone else?

Posted by: Chris M at February 22, 2017 04:29 PM (eAZVt)

255 Well, to be fair she did get 3 million more votes.
Just not the necessary 3 million.

**

like we saw where detroit had semi-empty ballot boxes marked as full of HRC ballots. There's less than meets the eye here.

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at February 22, 2017 04:29 PM (eClek)

256 "We're gonna put a lot of coal mines out of business" probably didn't help either.

That's the kind of genius we were up against...and it was STILL too damn close. If ANY side should have been wondering why "we aren't up by 50...", it should have been ours. That's an indication of just how *indoctrinated* our population and media are--that a completely evil and clueless political HACK like HRC came THIS close to being President.

Posted by: Crusader at February 22, 2017 04:29 PM (ewSN2)

257 Trump / Super-Majority 2020.

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2017 04:30 PM (NXfyF)

258 224 I will say it again.

The Founders would be aghast at our lack of Heavy Artillary.
Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2017 04:24 PM (NXfyF)



They'd be looking at us wondering what the fuck is the problem with not following the second amendment. We don't seem to have any problem of with the government running roughshod over the 3rd amendment. Those first 4 amendments are the first 4 because the British did that shit.

Posted by: buzzion at February 22, 2017 04:30 PM (z/Ubi)

259 252
Nailed her. I was in high school with her, and she was a pain in the butt even then. Loud and obnoxious too.
Posted by: IrishEi at February 22, 2017 04:29 PM (HiDrR)

====================

Nice.

Did you really go to high school with her? That's neat.

It'd be funny if you were Facebook friends.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 04:30 PM (vur0q)

260 When they past the law in NY only about 10% of the guns they estimated were in state got registered. Most of those belong to law enforcement who have to register their personal guns.

NY tries to ignore reality by saying those missing guns were "sold out of state before the registration period"

Sure they were.

What do you call it when you pass a law and almost everyone ignores it?

Posted by: Marcus T at February 22, 2017 04:31 PM (F5sg8)

261 Well, to be fair she did get 3 million more votes.
Just not the necessary 3 million.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 22, 2017 04:24 PM (IqV8l)

You'd *think* that being the "Oldest Political Party" in the world that they would understand that it wasn't one election, but 51 separate elections for the one office on the same day.

Running up the score in 2 or 3 states doesn't give you anything unless you get enough states to put you over the top, too.

Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at February 22, 2017 04:31 PM (tapYd)

262 Going off memory there, so take it with a grain of salt.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 22, 2017 04:27 PM (XWkhW)


Fairchild/Armalite's plan was to sell to both markets. The AR-10 came first (production, several models were made on a small scale), the AR-15/M-16 came about because the Army wanted a scaled-down AR-10.

I *think* the AR-15 was actually sold first, because of how long contract processes take. I've seen the old ads for them in gun magazines from the 60s.

IIRC both of them (AR-10 and AR-15) were first sold outside the US to friendly foreign governments.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 22, 2017 04:31 PM (wB8Tg)

263 What do you call it when you pass a law and almost everyone ignores it?

---

Chicago? Detroit?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 22, 2017 04:31 PM (DPObg)

264
Simply put is what we're seeing now is the Leftist elements in our Federal government are going rogue and acting out.

Leftist judges, Deep State, and activist-employees in the Justice Department are taking matters into their own hands.

We now have a bona fide Subversive Shadow Government full operation.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 22, 2017 04:31 PM (hdoNb)

265
Therefore, those are Weapons of War.


In military terms a weapon is something that needs more than one person to operate it.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 22, 2017 04:32 PM (lKyWE)

266 Seems like police would be banned from having "weapons of war" as well, since they are not soldiers.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 22, 2017 04:32 PM (yL25O)

267 Posted by: Keith at February 22, 2017 04:28 PM (USf3s)

Yeah to be fair let's bash Bush for things he never did.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 22, 2017 04:32 PM (0q4vG)

268
British Army: There's a weapons cache at Concord. Let's go take it!

Colonists: Yeah, about that...

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 22, 2017 04:32 PM (kTF2Z)

269 Departed:
Frank Costello: I'm concerned about a Chinaman who thinks it's wise to come to a business transaction with automatic weapons.
[to the Chinese translator]
Frank Costello: For his own good, tell Bruce Lee and the Karate Kids none of us are carrying automatic weapons. Because here - in this country... it don't add inches to your dick. You get a life sentence for it.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 22, 2017 04:25 PM (SIY7D)

There are some professional crooks who avoid carrying guns or only carry certain types. Those are few and far between. Most crooks are crooks. They'll take all the gun they can get.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 22, 2017 04:32 PM (NdM46)

270 >>What do you call it when you pass a law and almost everyone ignores it?

Border control.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2017 04:33 PM (/tuJf)

271 You can get semi parts cash & carry. Those that have the fa stuff require paperwork before they'll sell.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2017 04:29 PM (jTv1/)


If someone offers you an auto sear for cash, I'd bet money their employer is the ATF.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 22, 2017 04:33 PM (wB8Tg)

272 In military terms a weapon is something that needs more than one person to operate it.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic


* glance askance *

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 22, 2017 04:33 PM (4YGWz)

273 According to that definition Lena Dunham doing yoga is a weapon of war.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 22, 2017 04:33 PM (F5sg8)

274

Are we all gonna have to remove the Canon from all of our Monopoly Sets, too?

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2017 04:33 PM (NXfyF)

275 261 You'd *think* that being the "Oldest Political Party" in the world that they would understand that it wasn't one election, but 51 separate elections for the one office on the same day.

Running up the score in 2 or 3 states doesn't give you anything unless you get enough states to put you over the top, too.
Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at February 22, 2017 04:31 PM (tapYd)

=======================

"Dear Lord, that Permanent Majority hash cut with the Demographics are On Our Side cocaine was amazing! Wait...I'm naked and in a ditch? How did this happen?!?!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 04:33 PM (vur0q)

276 Thanks, just looked. There's actually a store over on the big island that focuses almost exclusively on saltwater fly fishing. They are the folks that put together the course in conjunction with Orvis.

I normally hate these things but I figure it can't hurt to have a couple days instruction on the basics. I've been doing saltwater fishing with spinning and trolling gear forever but never did the fly thing and yea, it's as popular as ever here if not more so.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2017 04:08 PM



Saltwater Edge? If you meet the owner Pete Jenkins say hi from Mike Powers. There was a time in the 90s/early 2000s when there were not much more than a hundred guys who fly fished in saltwater and knew what the internet was and we all busted each other's balls on line and met in real life to fish.

Don't be shy about taking lessons. I tried to teach a couple of people a couple of summers ago and it was a disaster in both cases. One of them was the guy who taught me golf and he assured me I'd been as resistant to his instruction as he was to mine.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at February 22, 2017 04:33 PM (mgbwf)

277 British Army: There's a weapons cache at Concord. Let's go take it!

Colonists: Yeah, about that...
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 22, 2017 04:32 PM (kTF2Z)

---

*grin*

Posted by: SMFH at February 22, 2017 04:33 PM (CRotO)

278 Those that have the fa stuff require paperwork before they'll sell.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2017 04:29 PM (jTv1/)

With CAD/CAM I could, theoretically, machine the parts from pre-1986 designs. At that point how could they possibly know?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2017 04:34 PM (rF0hx)

279
~~~~~

Nailed her. I was in high school with her, and she was a pain in the butt even then. Loud and obnoxious too.
Posted by: IrishEi at February 22, 2017 04:29 PM (HiDrR)

For gods sake man. Phrasing!

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 22, 2017 04:34 PM (0q4vG)

280 This decision bears no relation to existing law at all, or the Constitution. Simply put, the Fourth made up its mind going in what they were going to decide, and then fabricated an opinion supporting that decision. They don't like guns, and they were going to rule accordingly, based on nothing more substantial than their likes and dislikes.

That being said, I have a recurring fantasy of Trump being able to fill the Supreme Court vacancy, and then Kennedy and Ginsberg retiring, and then Thomas (sadly, Clarence Thomas has talked about retirement recently), and being able to fill all four seats with young, ardent Constitutionalists.

I usually wake up from this fantasy right before Chief Justice Cruz has a heart-to-heart with Kagan and Sotomayor about why they should think about bowing out before something happens...

Posted by: Qoheleth at February 22, 2017 04:34 PM (iIzG7)

281 Big long nood, full of seamen.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 04:34 PM (vur0q)

282 #BlackRiflesMatter

http://preview.tinyurl.com/zw56vxr

Posted by: hambone at February 22, 2017 04:34 PM (vP09u)

283

I can get you casting 30 feet in 5 minutes.

I can get you Double Hauling in 10.

It's a study in Leverage and Potential / Kinetic Energy.

Easy. Peasy.

Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2017 04:35 PM (NXfyF)

284 In military terms a weapon is something that needs more than one person to operate it.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 22, 2017 04:32 PM (lKyWE)


-------------------


Wrong! The only guns in the military are arty. I referred to my rifle either as my rifle or my weapon when I was in the military.

Posted by: Soona at February 22, 2017 04:35 PM (Fmupd)

285 Simply put is what we're seeing now is the Leftist elements in our Federal government are going rogue and acting out.

Right, they believe they have a higher calling, that they are doing righteous deeds for a truer faith. They are doing what is good and noble, anyone who disagrees is evil, oppressive, Nazi. Of course you defy that kind of evil, with every tool you have.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2017 04:35 PM (39g3+)

286 211
Hmmm....


I carried 12 Guage pump shotguns, and 45s doing boarding ops for the US Navy...


Therefore, those are Weapons of War.


I guess those should be illegal as well?



Posted by: Don Q. at February 22, 2017 04:21 PM (qf6WZ)

We were expected to use 1 1/2" wrenches to repel boarders on the sub. So wrenches are right out, too.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 22, 2017 04:36 PM (GX63o)

287 It would be interesting if some unusual burglars were to start breaking into the homes of these judges and see how many of them own just the sort of guns they seek to ban from others...and post video to the internet. I am guessing half, at least.

Posted by: JB1000 at February 22, 2017 04:36 PM (16OL0)

288
"Dear Lord, that Permanent Majority hash cut with the Demographics are On Our Side cocaine was amazing! Wait...I'm naked and in a ditch? How did this happen?!?!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 04:33 PM (vur0q)

No shit. That about sums it up, doesn't it?

Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at February 22, 2017 04:36 PM (tapYd)

289 Look at this dangerous right-wing extremist casually wielding a weapon whose only purpose is to cruelly mow down innocent civilians!!!

Get the expression on his face. The guy's about to flip! It's gonna be another Newtown massacre, I tell you!

http://tinyurl.com/z25j8u5

Posted by: torquewrench at February 22, 2017 04:36 PM (noWW6)

290 >>Saltwater Edge? If you meet the owner Pete Jenkins say hi from Mike Powers.

Yep, Pete's the man. He's got a new, bigger store now. He and my best friend are buddies and Pete has done a good job of turning a lot of people on to fly fishing around here.

I'll pass on the message.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2017 04:37 PM (/tuJf)

291
How would they know?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2017 04:24 PM (rF0hx)


Unless you know how to machine your own auto-sear, you're going to have to make a transaction with someone to buy one. That's one way.

The other is that unless you fire it far, far away from where anyone can hear, automatic fire is pretty distinctive. Not that full autos are illegal, but they are effectively registered and you can't transport them anywhere without the paperwork, and only the person registered to them can use them, or at least they must be present at all times.

Remember this is the excuse used originally to investigate the Branch Davidians. Someone who heard them shooting at their range thought it sounded like auto fire and reported it. And in came the ATF.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 22, 2017 04:37 PM (yL25O)

292 Did you really go to high school with her? That's neat.


It'd be funny if you were Facebook friends.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 04:30 PM
~~~~~

Yep. Cardinal Spellman H.S. in the Bronx. She was a year or two behind me. President (or some other "officer") in ASPIRA, a Latin-American club which, along with their cohorts in the African-American Club came to my graduation sporting black armbands and giving the Black Power raised-fist salute. Turned their backs on the Cardinal when he came up to the stage, and later marched out together shouting some sort of black power crap. Real class act.

Aside: A prominent member of the same African-American Club, Paula Madison (nee Williams) is now Vice President for Diversity at NBC. Go figure.

Posted by: IrishEi at February 22, 2017 04:38 PM (HiDrR)

293 A prominent member of the same African-American Club, Paula Madison (nee Williams) is now Vice President for Diversity at NBC. Go figure.

And by "diversity," they mean "death to whitey"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2017 04:38 PM (39g3+)

294 >>Nailed her. I was in high school with her, and she was a pain in the butt even then. Loud and obnoxious too.

Posted by: IrishEi

Really? You nailed Sotomayor in High School?

Posted by: Aviator at February 22, 2017 04:39 PM (/Nite)

295 And in came the ATF.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 22, 2017 04:37 PM (yL25O)

Yeah...good points.

Thanks.

[I hate the fvcking government]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2017 04:39 PM (rF0hx)

296 292 Yep. Cardinal Spellman H.S. in the Bronx. She was a year or two behind me. President (or some other "officer") in ASPIRA, a Latin-American club which, along with their cohorts in the African-American Club came to my graduation sporting black armbands and giving the Black Power raised-fist salute. Turned their backs on the Cardinal when he came up to the stage, and later marched out together shouting some sort of black power crap. Real class act.

Aside: A prominent member of the same African-American Club, Paula Madison (nee Williams) is now Vice President for Diversity at NBC. Go figure.
Posted by: IrishEi at February 22, 2017 04:38 PM (HiDrR)

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Thanks for the share!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 04:39 PM (vur0q)

297 For gods sake man. Phrasing!


Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 22, 2017 04:34 PM
~~~

LOL Apologies to TheJames!

Posted by: IrishEi at February 22, 2017 04:40 PM (HiDrR)

298 Is this the hockey thread? Because I want to talk about the Red Wings.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at February 22, 2017 04:01 PM (mgbwf)

Every thread is a Red Wings thread.

Posted by: Country Boy - just a humble, occasionally hotheaded poster at February 22, 2017 04:40 PM (RND7l)

299 Posted by: IrishEi at February 22, 2017 04:38 PM (HiDrR)

Jeez, she was ate up with it even back then. Obama knew *exactly* what he was getting, no?

Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at February 22, 2017 04:41 PM (tapYd)

300 AR-15 > M-16 > AR-15

Posted by: Undocumented at February 22, 2017 04:41 PM (SsblQ)

301 Auto bolts are okay, it's just that sear that will get you locked up.

Posted by: Chupacabra at February 22, 2017 04:41 PM (o/Ar3)

302
278 Those that have the fa stuff require paperwork before they'll sell.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2017 04:29 PM (jTv1/)

With CAD/CAM I could, theoretically, machine the parts from pre-1986 designs. At that point how could they possibly know?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2017 04:34 PM (rF0hx)







Well, I expect that BATFEIEIO is taking notes on this thread....

In practical terms though, one could conceivably machine the parts without anyone being the wiser. But installing them often requires some machining, pins or such that are visible from outside. For example, in it's original form, a select fire M16 has an extra pin visible from outside.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 22, 2017 04:42 PM (XWkhW)

303 (In my best Bing Crosby singing voice)

...Although it's been said, many times, many ways....

Molon Labe, to you!


Posted by: Huckleberry Hound at February 22, 2017 04:42 PM (UsCnO)

304 What every happened to the First Amendment and the art of intellectual engagement?

I found myself making the same conclusion, that is, no matter who it is they have a right to speak. Refute it if you like. Question them, or don't engage them at all if you believe they are that intelllectually vile.

In seems to me infantile, foolish, prejudiced and despotic to ban people from speaking, especially by force or shaming

In fact, what are they so afraid of? It makes me think the person they are trying to ban might have something interesting or insightful to say.

These people are autocratic speech police using empty rhetoric and sophism to launch their crusade.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 22, 2017 04:42 PM (F5sg8)

305 We were expected to use 1 1/2" wrenches to repel boarders on the sub. So wrenches are right out, too.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable,




really?

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2017 04:42 PM (cPsPa)

306 https://tinyurl.com/jzvt8we

______________________________


Ben Bernanke spotted at White House

+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Ruh-Roh Raggy

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 22, 2017 04:42 PM (y3aQB)

307 What every happened to the First Amendment and the art of intellectual engagement?

I found myself making the same conclusion, that is, no matter who it is they have a right to speak. Refute it if you like. Question them, or don't engage them at all if you believe they are that intelllectually vile.

In seems to me infantile, foolish, prejudiced and despotic to ban people from speaking, especially by force or shaming

In fact, what are they so afraid of? It makes me think the person they are trying to ban might have something interesting or insightful to say.

These people are autocratic speech police using empty rhetoric and sophism to launch their crusade.
Posted by: Marcus T at February




well, Rumsfeld was always fond of saying he was willing to engage in debate with anyone willing to be persuaded by logic and the force of reason. someone who knows their positions are not grounded in logic and or reason, is not going to want to have that discussion.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2017 04:44 PM (cPsPa)

308 Ok, I looked it up. Impeachment is the only tool to
remove a judge. However, there is no mention of high crimes and
misdemeanors in article two so they can be impeached for incompetence.
It just doesn't happen very often.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 22, 2017 04:24 PM (kTF2Z)

If they can serve in prison let them.But is it a crime to railroad a defendant or deliberately make a ludicrous judgement?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 22, 2017 04:45 PM (P/kVC)

309 The left has abandoned politics or even economics. Its just blind religion now, faith in an ideal that transcends logic. Disagreement isn't confusion or being wrong, its heretical and unbelief. Their religious zeal matters more than the nation, than the law, than reason, than reality. They are the book burners, the witchfinders, the inquisitors of the past.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2017 04:46 PM (39g3+)

310 >>>Are we all gonna have to remove the Canon from all of our Monopoly Sets, too?


is this a joke?
or do you have a really, really old monopoly game?

Posted by: concrete girl at February 22, 2017 04:46 PM (9kE+s)

311 It has to come from the courts, if the left wants to get their way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 22, 2017 04:07 PM (vur0q)

And that's what's gonna happen.

Posted by: Country Boy - just a humble, occasionally hotheaded poster at February 22, 2017 04:46 PM (RND7l)

312 >>>>You can get semi parts cash carry. Those that have the fa stuff require paperwork before they'll sell.



Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2017 04:29 PM (jTv1/)



If someone offers you an auto sear for cash, I'd bet money their employer is the ATF.
.
.
.
.Yep or FBI. Back in the early 1980s you could buy kits that would let you convert any semi auto AR-15 to full auto, then 1986 came along and pretty much outlawed any new full autos for the Civilian market.

Those kits were advertised all over the place even in Shotgun news. The catch was they had to be registered with the ATF before you could legally make a full auto. I think the tax stamp back then was $200 each.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 22, 2017 04:47 PM (le7jz)

313 Link to Federal Judiciary Center with list of impeached judges:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/gp65z98

Posted by: RioBravo at February 22, 2017 04:48 PM (SsblQ)

314
Wrong! The only guns in the military are arty. I referred to my rifle either as my rifle or my weapon when I was in the military.
Posted by: Soona at February 22, 2017 04:35 PM (Fmupd)


Who mention guns? When I was in the Marines a line company consisted of 3 rifle platoons and a weapons platoon.The weapons platoon was made up of antiarmor,motar and machinegun sections all crew serve weapons

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 22, 2017 04:48 PM (lKyWE)

315 Ok, I looked it up. Impeachment is the only tool to
remove a judge. However, there is no mention of high crimes and
misdemeanors in article two so they can be impeached for incompetence.
It just doesn't happen very often.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February




well, if you are not defending the Constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic, you should be impeached. someone distorting the language of the Constitution in such a way as to render it meaningless is not defending the Constitution. such behavior is treasonous.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2017 04:50 PM (cPsPa)

316 I know Spellman High.

IIRC, back in Sonia's day they split the school down the middle, with boys on one side and girls on the other. Like the quarters for the help in Downton Abbey

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 22, 2017 04:51 PM (SIY7D)

317 Congress really does have to take a strong stance here to cut this off right now before every judge in the country goes nuts. If they are going to abandon even their own district's precedent and rule abject nonsense without a shred of reason or law behind it, they are no longer adjudicating and need replacing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 22, 2017 04:51 PM (39g3+)

318 "Under the majority's analysis," the dissenters contend, "a settler's
musket, the only weapon he would likely own and bring to militia
service, would be most useful in military service -- undoubtedly a
weapon of war -- and therefore not protected by the Second Amendment."


Apparently putting on a robe can rotate your head 180 degrees wrong.

At least they haven't made Gay Marriage mandatory - yet.

Posted by: DaveA at February 22, 2017 04:54 PM (8J/Te)

319 Shouldn't Three Strikes laws apply to judges?

Posted by: DaveA at February 22, 2017 04:55 PM (8J/Te)

320 That's an indication of just how *indoctrinated* our population and
media are--that a completely evil and clueless political HACK like HRC
came THIS close to being President.


Well, to be fair, a certified Traitor* got a lot closer in 2004.

* When a victorious enemy officially cites one of your soldiers as a Hero for their side - that is a simple declaration that he was a Traitor.

Posted by: An Observation at February 22, 2017 05:00 PM (vX3kY)

321 IrishEi, was it you who had a sick puppy last week? Update?

Posted by: Wenda (sic) at February 22, 2017 05:03 PM (Kr0FZ)

322 2020! Let's do this.

Posted by: George P. Bush at February 28, 2017 03:38 PM (QrBXe)

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