Two Administrations -- Two Very Different Views Of Islamic Terrorism

In A White House Initiative to Defeat Radical Islam Daniel Pipes writes that:

Donald Trump gave a robust speech in August 2016 on how he, as president, would "Make America Safe Again." In it, he pledged that "one of my first acts as president will be to establish a commission on radical Islam." Note: he said radical Islam, not some euphemism like violent extremism.

Contrast that with the Obama administration:

As an example of how not to answer this question, the Obama administration convened a Countering Violent Extremism (CVE) Working Group in 2010 and included participants who turned up such gems as: "Jihad as holy war is a European invention," the caliphate's return is "inevitable," Sharia (Islamic law) is "misunderstood," and "Islamic terrorism is a contradiction in terms ... because terrorism is not Islamic by definition." The result? The group produced propaganda helpful to the (unnamed) enemy.

Orwell understood very well that language has great power. Obama's language was carefully calculated to blame the world for Islamic terrorism, and exonerate Islam.

Political language...is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.

President Trump is operating under no such constraints or illusions, and is quite correctly naming the source of Islamic terrorism as Islam.

It is not racist or anti-religion or whatever the SJW buzzword is to describe the reality of Islam. Hopefully the Trump administration will be able to purge the apologists for Islamic expansionism and push back against the tide.

Posted by: CBD at 11:30 AM

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1 First?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 20, 2017 11:24 AM (uWhPn)

2 Just missed it...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 20, 2017 11:25 AM (EvBgT)

3 yep.

Posted by: An Observation at February 20, 2017 11:26 AM (tfwtI)

4 The difference is Obama was a closet muzzie and a liar.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 20, 2017 11:27 AM (mpXpK)

5 5th

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at February 20, 2017 11:27 AM (ul9CR)

6 damn. nailed it.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at February 20, 2017 11:27 AM (ul9CR)

7 Pray this administration stays strong and stays the course.

Islam needs to be taught again not to growl and snap at the West.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 20, 2017 11:28 AM (uYy21)

8 Sigh, those Angry Amish....

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt, loving the Cubs even though they are WINNERS at February 20, 2017 11:29 AM (8iiMU)

9 Trump will use the National Guard to attack Meggido!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at February 20, 2017 11:29 AM (Nwg0u)

10 Pure wind is a toxin.

Posted by: Slo-Pitch Whiffer at February 20, 2017 11:29 AM (ORylZ)

11

Well, Rebellion, by its very definition is not Rebellion but a fight against oppression and a fight for freedom and liberty.

Therefore, the progressive street fighters are not revolutionary, they are freedom fighters.

See?

Posted by: Gordon Gnostic at February 20, 2017 11:29 AM (Qrm0v)

12 Wasn't Obama's Countering Violent Extremism (CVE) Working Group full of muslims, some of them naturalized US citizens from places like Pahk-ee-stohn, who pretty clearly hated the US?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 20, 2017 11:29 AM (NOIQH)

13 Why was the Isis training camp in Mexico able to escape B-52 Arclighting? Oh that's right - we had an Islamic Communist for POTUS - who was more interested in arming Mexican Cartels and the Department of Education.

Posted by: An Observation at February 20, 2017 11:30 AM (tfwtI)

14 Islamic terrorism is a contradiction in terms ... because terrorism is not Islamic by definition.

It is according to their own unHoly Book.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at February 20, 2017 11:31 AM (ul9CR)

15 And to think, we could have had Jeb Bush.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 20, 2017 11:31 AM (uSlc8)

16 A .45 will knock them over, like the enraged GD Japs and Norks.

Posted by: Mad Dog at February 20, 2017 11:31 AM (nN3W/)

17 President Trump,

During these first 30 days, what has surprised you the most about this office? Enchanted you the most from serving in this office? Humbled you the most? And troubled you the most?

Sincerishly,

Posted by: The Leg-Humping Media, in Need of a New Leg at February 20, 2017 11:32 AM (/4bOy)

18 I had read recently the reason Obama didn't say "Islamic Terrorists/Terrorism" was not because of anything he believed but because Middle East countries asked him not to say it because it was not helpful, or something.

Our point should of been (and hopefully Trump will): If you don't want Islam tarnished by ISIS than get up off your fat asses and start fighting ISIS!

They feel we should do their dirty work because we need their oil. Screw 'em.

Posted by: WisRich at February 20, 2017 11:32 AM (hdpay)

19 Mendacious Muslims, touting their taqqiya!

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt, loving the Cubs even though they are WINNERS at February 20, 2017 11:32 AM (8iiMU)

20 islamic terrorism is a contradiction in terms ... because terrorism is not Islamic by definition.

Because no true Scotsman...

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 20, 2017 11:32 AM (uSlc8)

21 "Terrorism is not Islamic by definition"

In other words, redefining words is how we intend to deal with the problem.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 11:32 AM (Xk4Hx)

22 "Jihad as holy war is a European invention,"
***
Someone might want to tell this to the Byzantines and the Zoroastrian Persians...

Posted by: 18-1 at February 20, 2017 11:32 AM (aZq03)

23 Heh. I see a post by ace in draft, as a disturbance in the force, like a giant Monty Python foot coming down on this thread.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 20, 2017 11:32 AM (cWxpc)

24 In the top 40!

Posted by: Casey Kasem at February 20, 2017 11:33 AM (tr2D7)

25 18-1, you forgot India and the Hindu Kush.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 20, 2017 11:33 AM (uYy21)

26 Pick a spot well out in the desert and kick over a bucket of sunshine, just to let them know what it looks like. Remind them we have the coordinates of EVERYTHING.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at February 20, 2017 11:34 AM (Eyx+b)

27 Jihad as holy war is a European invention,

Well fuck me, then.

Posted by: Saladin at February 20, 2017 11:34 AM (uSlc8)

28 23
Heh. I see a post by ace in draft, as a disturbance in the force, like a giant Monty Python foot coming down on this thread.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 20, 2017 11:32 AM (cWxpc)

Run away! Run away!!

Posted by: King Arthur and his minions at February 20, 2017 11:34 AM (8iiMU)

29
Yeah..... the "new" hive thought will be "there is no such thing as Radical Islamic Terrorism."

Posted by: fixerupper at February 20, 2017 11:34 AM (8XRCm)

30 Our point should of been (and hopefully Trump will): If you don't want Islam tarnished by ISIS than get up off your fat asses and start fighting ISIS!
***
If only the issue was not fighting ISIS - a number of the Sunni countries were arming them.

Of course so was Obama - so I guess the finger of blame and all that...

Posted by: 18-1 at February 20, 2017 11:34 AM (aZq03)

31 I really do think Bush made a HUGE blunder after 9/11 going out of his way to make sure he said over and over that Islam was a religion of peace, etc.

It's not like it spared him the wrath of the PC Left.

Posted by: Maritime at February 20, 2017 11:35 AM (m8FSu)

32 13 Why was the Isis training camp in Mexico able to escape B-52 Arclighting? Oh that's right - we had an Islamic Communist for POTUS - who was more interested in arming Mexican Cartels and the Department of Education.

Posted by: An Observation at February 20, 2017 11:30 AM (tfwtI)

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No, we should be informing Mexico that the Gringo Air Assault Battalion will be visiting the site, and to please keep their folks out of our way. We would not want to hurt any of their countrmen, but we are coming in, and we will do what we need to do.

You don't want any of the happy campers to escape or destroy the records.

Posted by: rd at February 20, 2017 11:35 AM (iT57s)

33 Justin Amash - "Libertarian" *snort*

"President Donald Trump's "constant fear-mongering" about terrorism is "irresponsible and dangerous." He needs to "stop attacking the legitimacy of the judiciary." He picked an attorney general with "anti-liberty" positions on surveillance and police seizure of property."

Who bitch this is?

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 20, 2017 11:35 AM (KgpWR)

34

Da

Fuq?!?!

Posted by: Charels "The Hammer" Martel at February 20, 2017 11:35 AM (8XRCm)

35 That whole thing about the idiot reporter who asked Obama what "enchanted" him-I have to give him credit, Obama did mock the guy. He did it with a smile but he mocked the guy out and it was clear he thought it was as idiotic as everyone else did.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at February 20, 2017 11:35 AM (ul9CR)

36 Steve Bannon:

We are in an outright war against jihadist Islamic fascism. And this war is, I think, metastasizing far quicker than governments can handle it.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 20, 2017 11:35 AM (cWxpc)

37 Okay. Are we done with the Shriner's kids?

Posted by: Under Fire at February 20, 2017 11:36 AM (nN3W/)

38 Maritime, I think George II (and George I) is what Trump is using as a template for what NOT to do. Trump has chosen a strategy of keeping his own base closest, painting the hard Left as the enemy and the squish Right as something to apply pressure to.

#winning

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 11:37 AM (Xk4Hx)

39 And to the surprise of no one, the CVE was a failure (by design?):

https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/04/20/
obamas-countering-violent-extremism-program-collapses-into-absurdity/

Posted by: Lizzy at February 20, 2017 11:37 AM (NOIQH)

40 I doubt Trump will deal forcefully with the legacy of the Crusades.

Posted by: Ripley at February 20, 2017 11:37 AM (1BQGO)

41 Alternative title-

2 Presidents, one muslim, the other isn't.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at February 20, 2017 11:37 AM (aMlLZ)

42 "Terrorism is not Islamic by definition"

Oh, I see. Then it's 'Mohammedan'?

Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2017 11:37 AM (/cksx)

43 Bannon:

I believe you should take a very, very, very aggressive stance against radical Islam. And I realize there are other aspects that are not as militant and not as aggressive and that's fine.

If you look back at the long history of the Judaeo-Christian West struggle against Islam, I believe that our forefathers kept their stance, and I think they did the right thing. I think they kept it out of the world, whether it was at Vienna, or Tours, or other places... It bequeathed to us the great institution that is the church of the West.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 20, 2017 11:37 AM (cWxpc)

44 I remember being disgusted with GW Bush first calling it the bullshit "War On Terrorism," naming a tactic instead of the actual enemy ...

Posted by: ShainS at February 20, 2017 11:37 AM (mt8X9)

45 Trump on the MSM being the enemy leads to the funniest Twitter thread ever! [Shelvy recommended.]
https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/833302789665140740

Posted by: andycanuck at February 20, 2017 11:37 AM (nlbfN)

46 Islam is NOT Islamic ...

Posted by: President Emeritus Barack Obama at February 20, 2017 11:38 AM (mt8X9)

47 I believe Muhammad is the only major religious figure in history to have personally led a genocide.

The Koran records him massacring the Jews of Medina after defeating them.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 20, 2017 11:38 AM (aZq03)

48 With this policy and language , Trump has set up a no lose political situation. The next significant terrorist attack will confirm this position and if there no successful terrorist attack, it can be attributed to the steps Trump has taken to prevent them.

Unfortunately I believe they will attempt another significant attack though I think their thought process has been disrupted by Trump and how he will react.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 20, 2017 11:39 AM (IDPbH)

49 Russia has 144 Million in population.

Islam, 1.5 Billion.

Russia is not shooting at us, and have not, since the 70's.

Islam is actively shooting at us in, what 7 different countries today.... and has killed close to 10,000 if you include 9/11.

No one in Russia today is chanting Death to America...

Iran chants it every chance they get....

Yet... we're supposed to be worried about Russia, and no Islam...

Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 11:39 AM (qf6WZ)

50 Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 11:39 AM (qf6WZ)

I understand what you're saying but again Russia is providing much of the support to these radical Muslim states.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 20, 2017 11:40 AM (IDPbH)

51 I remember being disgusted with GW Bush first calling it the bullshit "War On Terrorism," naming a tactic instead of the actual enemy ...

We have declared War on Aviation!

Posted by: FDR at February 20, 2017 11:41 AM (BrQrN)

52 The progtards and their Media Mouthpieces are being exposed for the joke that they are.

The real conflict now is between Trump's goal of securing the nation and the Nevertrump establishment dickheads like this Amash prick who want to make sure that THEIR phat donors maintain phat profit margins through a illegal and barely legal labor force.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 20, 2017 11:41 AM (KgpWR)

53 37
Okay. Are we done with the Shriner's kids?

Posted by: Under Fire at February 20, 2017 11:36 AM (nN3W/)

I'm tired of the spokes-kid with the annoying thpeach impediment.
The first eighty-three times it's cute. Then it becomes tiresome.
I denounce myself.

Posted by: Insensitive Meanie at February 20, 2017 11:41 AM (8iiMU)

54 technically the Koran doesn't mention Mo doing much of anything. It's more about Moses(!).

It's the *Sira* (Ibn Hisham) and the maghazi before it (Ibn Ishaq, Ma'mar, etc) which describes the leading of a genocide.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 11:41 AM (Xk4Hx)

55 At the doctors office, gettin my knee aspirated and drained. Whee!

Posted by: Insomniac at February 20, 2017 11:41 AM (f+saH)

56 The Iranian-supported Houthi in Yemen have a catchy slogan.

"death to America, death to Israel, a curse on the Jews, victory for Islam"

Sounds like a real partner in peace, doesn't it.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 11:42 AM (Xk4Hx)

57 Walking through the magazie section at the supermarket I see The Atlantic with a cover story by David Frum "How to Create an Autocracy" ,picture of Trump speaking to a crowd,Go back to Canada Frum,fat fuck.

Posted by: steevy at February 20, 2017 11:43 AM (r/0kC)

58 14 Islamic terrorism is a contradiction in terms ... because terrorism is not Islamic by definition.

It is according to their own unHoly Book.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at February 20, 2017 11:31 AM (ul9CR)

Yup... this is the part that always floors me...

How can you say that if you have ever read the damn Koran?

Which I have....

Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 11:44 AM (qf6WZ)

59 Frum barely said boo in eight years when Obama's DC establishment was forcing through unConstitutional measures, packing the bureaucracy and courts, and sending the IRS after his opponents.

His bag of dicks must have run out. He needs another one.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 11:45 AM (Xk4Hx)

60 54 technically the Koran doesn't mention Mo doing much of anything. It's more about Moses(!).

It's the *Sira* (Ibn Hisham) and the maghazi before it (Ibn Ishaq, Ma'mar, etc) which describes the leading of a genocide.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 11:41 AM (Xk4Hx)

Yeah... but to a Moslem that's like saying well... the Book of John says...

Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 11:46 AM (qf6WZ)

61 Islamic terrorism is a contradiction in terms ... because terrorism is not Islamic by definition.

------

My response is invaribaly:

You stupid twit. Terrorism is the means to advance radical Islam. If you cannot understand adjectives.... how the fuck are you going to understand Geo Political Conflict....dunce.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 20, 2017 11:47 AM (8XRCm)

62 40 I doubt Trump will deal forcefully with the legacy of the Crusades. Posted by: Ripley at February 20, 2017 11:37 AM (1BQGO)

Let me guess: You're concerned.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 20, 2017 11:47 AM (97XyN)

63
Muhammed had a base understanding of Judaism, a little insanity, and a whole of experience with brigandism.

In fairness, out of this he created about the best "religion" one could imagine to unite a bunch of roving war bands into a respectable horde into an unstoppable raping, pillaging, and murdering army.

Only Genghis Khan did it "better"...

Posted by: 18-1 at February 20, 2017 11:47 AM (aZq03)

64 you'll notice I didn't correct Don Q. on what he reports about the Qur'an and the use of terror as a tactic.

The fear of god (taqwa, khawwaf) is all over the suras, and that it is helped along by Muslim armies is the whole point of suras like 8, 9, 48, 61, and many more.

Q. 8:12 - I shall strike terror into the hearts of the infidels, so strike upon their necks

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 11:48 AM (Xk4Hx)

65 62 40 I doubt Trump will deal forcefully with the legacy of the Crusades. Posted by: Ripley at February 20, 2017 11:37 AM (1BQGO)

Let me guess: You're concerned.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 20, 2017 11:47 AM (97XyN)

Yes, I believe President Trump should deal with the legacy of the Crusades...

By starting another one!

Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 11:48 AM (qf6WZ)

66 59 Frum barely said boo in eight years when Obama's DC establishment was forcing through unConstitutional measures, packing the bureaucracy and courts, and sending the IRS after his opponents.

His bag of dicks must have run out. He needs another one.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 11:45 AM (Xk4Hx)

Fine, but these fuckers need to learn to pace themselves. They're renewable but not infinite fer crissakes!

Posted by: Insomniac at February 20, 2017 11:48 AM (f+saH)

67 "Terrorism is not Islamic by definition"

Of course not,

It's jihad.

And thus not terrorrism but a worshipful observance of Allah's commands.

And the proper conduct for the muslim individual hoping to attain paradise.

Soooo, move along everything involving death and destruction by islamic individuals is perfectly normal islamic behavior.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 20, 2017 11:48 AM (vZ9Fw)

68 59 Frum barely said boo in eight years when Obama's DC establishment was forcing through unConstitutional measures, packing the bureaucracy and courts, and sending the IRS after his opponents.

His bag of dicks must have run out. He needs another one.
*
*
Wasn't he the guy in transports of delight over TFG's pants crease?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 20, 2017 11:49 AM (uWhPn)

69 I doubt Trump will deal forcefully with the legacy of the Crusades. Posted by: Ripley at February 20, 2017 11:37 AM (1BQGO)

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Battle Of Tours
Fought be Charles Martel...... in *FRANCE*
Expelled Muslim invaders and pushed them out of Europe.
400 some years BEFORE the First Crusade.

Item # 1,665,388 of things you dont learn in public school.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 20, 2017 11:49 AM (8XRCm)

70 On thing that amazes me...

In 2000 I knew Muslims in the US - they were pretty much all completely westernized.

In 2017 I see women walking down the streets of every major city I go to in the hijab if not the full burka.

Could you imagine telling the average American in Oct 2001 that the government would react to 9/11 by importing massive numbers of fundamentalist muslims?

Posted by: 18-1 at February 20, 2017 11:50 AM (aZq03)

71 Fuck the Left.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2017 11:50 AM (KlI/a)

72 David Frum "How to Create an Autocracy" ,picture of Trump speaking to a crowd
==

Well at least Frum can use the excuse of being just a stupid writer with an insane and venal readership who will pay his light bill for his mindless bloviations.

Juan McAmnesty is a US Senator who went to Europe on his own apology tour helpfully explaining that this is how dictators get started. He is as bad as Soros and in some ways worse.

All these Congressfuckers need to burn.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 20, 2017 11:50 AM (KgpWR)

73 You know, every pet store sells bags of actual bull dicks. I'll start sending a big bag to deserving cockbites like Frum.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at February 20, 2017 11:52 AM (Eyx+b)

74 It is not racist or anti-religion or whatever the SJW buzzword is to describe the reality of Islam.

Not every religion is worthy of respect, consideration, or protection. We wouldn't tolerate the Aztec religion even now (or would we, SJWs? Maybe I am too optimistic.).

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 11:52 AM (SRKgf)

75 To me terrorism are attacks on civilian populations. State sponsored terrorism should be dealt with by declaring war on those states , not giving them billions in cash.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 20, 2017 11:53 AM (IDPbH)

76 Hey guys, is this who we are, or is this not who we are? I can't tell if this is who we are or not unless someone tells me whether or not this is who we are. Or not.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 20, 2017 11:53 AM (8nWyX)

77 muzziedom is not a religion. It is a bizarre death cult.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 20, 2017 11:54 AM (mpXpK)

78 18-1 I noticed the same thing (New England)-burka or headscarf-clad Muslim women are everywhere now. I never used to see them.

Posted by: Goldilocks at February 20, 2017 11:55 AM (pOgVG)

79 Iodine-131, a radionuclide of anthropogenic origin, has recently been detected in tiny amounts in the ground-level atmosphere in Europe. The preliminary report states it was first found during week 2 of January 2017 in northern Norway. Iodine-131 was also detected in Finland, Poland, Czech Republic, Germany, France and Spain, until the end of January.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 20, 2017 11:55 AM (GjigR)

80 Damn, Cavuto is telling me the market went up 12.5% since election day.

Posted by: Wolf of Wall Street at February 20, 2017 11:55 AM (8iiMU)

81 Hey guys, is this who we are, or is this not who we
are?
Posted by: hogmartin

Yes

Posted by: Bruce at February 20, 2017 11:56 AM (8ikIW)

82 Wasn't he the guy in transports of delight over TFG's pants crease?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 20, 2017 11:49 AM (uWhPn)

No, I believe that was David Brooks.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 20, 2017 11:57 AM (cWxpc)

83 Hysterical. Just saw a commercial from CBS News. A montage of 'journalists' like Walter Cronkite as, get this, "True News". Wow

Posted by: eye tye at February 20, 2017 11:57 AM (TJbU1)

84 There was an article the other day about a Muslim cleric in the ME marrying an 8 year old girl who later died of internal bleeding after her wedding night. Any bastard defending that fucked up religion should be forced to read that article over and over again until that little girls face is seared into their memory in perpetuity. Personally I want these fuckers to die.

Posted by: IC at February 20, 2017 11:57 AM (gcme+)

85 @79

In From The Cold blog has a good post on that.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at February 20, 2017 11:57 AM (Eyx+b)

86
O/T
Trump to speak at cpac this year. Milo to speak at cpac this year.It's gonna be huge... and fabulous.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at February 20, 2017 11:58 AM (ZFUt7)

87 >>>... because terrorism is not Islamic by definition.<<<

Wow. Who comes up with this stuff?

Posted by: Fritz at February 20, 2017 11:58 AM (2Mnv1)

88 So has Trump been impeached yet?

Posted by: deplorable donna at February 20, 2017 11:59 AM (O2RFr)

89 Fe Fi Fo Frum
I smell the blood of fat and dumb

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at February 20, 2017 11:59 AM (aMlLZ)

90 64 you'll notice I didn't correct Don Q. on what he reports about the Qur'an and the use of terror as a tactic.

The fear of god (taqwa, khawwaf) is all over the suras, and that it is helped along by Muslim armies is the whole point of suras like 8, 9, 48, 61, and many more.

Q. 8:12 - I shall strike terror into the hearts of the infidels, so strike upon their necks
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2017 11:48 AM (Xk4Hx)

Technically... I know its the Koran, and the Sunnah... the word and the 'example'...

But to most of Islam, its like the difference between old and new Testament... which comprise the Bible of today...

Two parts of a whole...

And just as we call it whole Christian book the Bible today... we in the West shorthand both sets of Islamic writing in the 'the Koran'... even though its sloppy and lazy...

Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 11:59 AM (qf6WZ)

91 79
Iodine-131, a radionuclide of anthropogenic origin, has recently been
detected in tiny amounts in the ground-level atmosphere in Europe. The
preliminary report states it was first found during week 2 of January
2017 in northern Norway. Iodine-131 was also detected in Finland,
Poland, Czech Republic, Germany, France and Spain, until the end of
January.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 20, 2017 11:55 AM (GjigR)

I-131 is a decay product of U-235 fission. If it is bring found a ground level in Europe that means the Russians or the French have had some kind of release and not told anyone.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 20, 2017 12:00 PM (mpXpK)

92 Okay Islamic is not terrorism by definition only if you don't believe conversion by the sword is not terrorism.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 20, 2017 12:00 PM (IDPbH)

93 >>>So has Trump been impeached yet?<<<

Has Hillary Clinton been indicted yet?

Posted by: Fritz at February 20, 2017 12:00 PM (2Mnv1)

94 76 Hey guys, is this who we are, or is this not who we are? I can't tell if this is who we are or not unless someone tells me whether or not this is who we are. Or not.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 20, 2017 11:53 AM (8nWyX)

Yeah.... as a Sovereign American Citizen... I can only say who 'I' am...

Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 12:01 PM (qf6WZ)

95 I can't wrap my head around the desire of the elite or even the rank-and-file to turn the country over to Islam.

It has baffled me for years that people of a certain persuasion can fly planes into large skyscrapers and the seat of our national defense, killing THOUSANDS, and the door to the nation was thrown open to them ever since. And now the American citizen is the problem.

It's so fucking bizarre.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at February 20, 2017 12:02 PM (vg8iE)

96 This is not who we are.

Posted by: Combating Bad Thoughts (CBT) Working Group at February 20, 2017 12:02 PM (IqV8l)

97 93
>>>So has Trump been impeached yet?<<<

Has Hillary Clinton been indicted yet?

Posted by: Fritz at February 20, 2017 12:00 PM (2Mnv1)

Has ObummerCare been repealed yet?

Posted by: The Deplorables at February 20, 2017 12:02 PM (8iiMU)

98 48 With this policy and language, Trump has set up a no lose political situation. The next significant terrorist attack will confirm this position and if there no successful terrorist attack, it can be attributed to the steps Trump has taken to prevent them.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 20, 2017 11:39 AM (IDPbH)

Exactly. And if the terrorist(s) are "refugees" or entered illegally, that underscores Trump's policies on that score too. The man really is inspired, although some would consider his approach to be the obvious one.

Contrast this with Obongo. He was constantly trying to parse the data ("no terrorist attacks on a second Tuesday of the month after a full moon by a terrorist who'd just eaten a corned beef sandwich"). But he'd given hostages for Fortune, even though when there WAS a terrorist attack the MSM always flew top cover for him and disappeared the story ASAP.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 12:02 PM (SRKgf)

99 OT: Trump better hurry up with our bailout or we're not going to be able to afford to secede! Or even to clean up after all this rain.

Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2017 12:02 PM (29QcC)

100 From this I gather that Obama is a SCOAMF

Posted by: Minuteman at February 20, 2017 12:02 PM (AjjIl)

101 95 I can't wrap my head around the desire of the elite or even the rank-and-file to turn the country over to Islam.
It has baffled me for years that people of a certain persuasion can fly planes into large skyscrapers and the seat of our national defense, killing THOUSANDS, and the door to the nation was thrown open to them ever since. And now the American citizen is the problem.
It's so fucking bizarre.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at February 20, 2017 12:02 PM (vg8iE)

I couldn't agree more.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 12:03 PM (SRKgf)

102 82 Wasn't he the guy in transports of delight over TFG's pants crease?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 20, 2017 11:49 AM (uWhPn)

No, I believe that was David Brooks.
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Thanks. I knew it was "David" something-or-other. Brooks, then, is one more name to add to my list of "I'm sorry, I wasn't listening to anything you just said."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 20, 2017 12:03 PM (uWhPn)

103 99 OT: Trump better hurry up with our bailout or we're not going to be able to afford to secede! Or even to clean up after all this rain.
Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2017 12:02 PM (29QcC)

The Drought. Day One.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 12:03 PM (SRKgf)

104 There's a couple depressing imigration/population vids over at GVL's site
http://www.americandigest.org/

This insanity has to be stopped.. backed up even? Damn.

Posted by: IP at February 20, 2017 12:04 PM (hUtue)

105 I couldn't agree more.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 12:03 PM (SRKgf)

Yes. I would say "fucking bizarre" describes it perfectly.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt, loving the Cubs even though they are WINNERS at February 20, 2017 12:04 PM (8iiMU)

106 There was an article the other day about a Muslim cleric in the ME marrying an 8 year old girl who later died of internal bleeding after her wedding night. Any bastard defending that fucked up religion should be forced to read that article over and over again until that little girls face is seared into their memory in perpetuity. Personally I want these fuckers to die.

Posted by: IC at February 20, 2017 11:57 AM (gcme+)

This

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at February 20, 2017 12:07 PM (aMlLZ)

107 Put Mark Durie on the commission.

Mark Durie rote one of the best books I have read regarding Islam

Posted by: Jake at February 20, 2017 12:07 PM (LW+DN)

108 We elected a guy named Hussein with a Muslim father and Muslim step father a mere seven years after 9-11.

That. Is . Bizzare.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 20, 2017 12:09 PM (IDPbH)

109 We elected a guy named Hussein with a Muslim father and Muslim step father a mere seven years after 9-11.

That. Is . Bizzare.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 20, 2017 12:09 PM (IDPbH)

That's the moment when I realized half our population needed to be boiled away in space.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at February 20, 2017 12:10 PM (aMlLZ)

110 Its basically a difference of opinion on how to deal with terrorism

The left thinks that terrorism is a result of frustration and anger caused by oppression and racism by the west, particularly white people. They believe that if we are nice to terrorists, if we stop saying bad things about Muslims, and if we treat them decent, then the frustration and anger goes away, and so does the terrorism.

The right thinks that terrorism is caused by insane people following an evil religion driven by tyrants who use the west as an enemy to avoid being personally blamed for the woes of their people. The right also believes that terrorism's primary cause and origin is Nazi and Communist agitation for decades, building up resentment and anger and training in asymmetrical warfare to undermine the west.

A simple look at history and the facts proves the right to be correct.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 12:11 PM (39g3+)

111 "The Medina suras are blasphemy." saith the Mecca-Suras.

Posted by: geoffb5 at February 20, 2017 12:12 PM (d3wbb)

112 We elected a guy named Hussein with a Muslim father and Muslim step father a mere seven years after 9-11.

That. Is . Bizzare.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 20, 2017 12:09 PM (IDPbH)

Western Society will NEVER be defeated by an outside source, but it WILL be defeated by internal rot and surrender.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2017 12:12 PM (KlI/a)

113 Everything Barack Obama or his minions say or do makes sense once you accept that they are working for the other side.

Posted by: phreshone at February 20, 2017 12:12 PM (DpOmP)

114 108
We elected a guy named Hussein with a Muslim father and Muslim step father a mere seven years after 9-11.

That. Is . Bizzare.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 20, 2017 12:09 PM (IDPbH)

That was a direct outgrowth of LBJ's Great Society and its actual intent.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 20, 2017 12:12 PM (mpXpK)

115 Apparently there are rallies supporting the impeachment of President Trump today.

Insane these people are.

Posted by: blaster at February 20, 2017 12:12 PM (33FvV)

116 It has baffled me for years that people of a certain persuasion can fly planes into large skyscrapers and the seat of our national defense, killing THOUSANDS, and the door to the nation was thrown open to them ever since. And now the American citizen is the problem.

It's so fucking bizarre.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at February 20, 2017 12:02 PM (vg8iE)

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Boiled don to its essence..... it's virtue signalling.

The odds YOU of actually being killed by terrorism is infinitesimally small.... almost zero.

Its easy to make a "courageous" contrarian stand to show the world your heart and compassion to other people with heart and compassion if there is very little danger to yourself.

What they fail to consider is the odds of SOEMBODY being killed by terrorism in the near future is very high.... almost a metaphysical certainty.

What these assholes of heart and courage dont acknowledge is that their feelz comes at the expense of the nameless faceless others that WILL BE KILLED. They condemn those others to maiming and death because they prefer to maintain their perceived moral superiority over those that choose to battle against the terrorists.

They trade the deaths of those "others" for their self congratulatory pats on the back. Fuck them. In a way the jihadis are better than they are.

The jihadis can at least choose a fucking side.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 20, 2017 12:12 PM (8XRCm)

117 We elected a guy named Hussein with a Muslim father and Muslim step father a mere seven years after 9-11.

Yeah but even the left knew that was a problem which is why they screamed down anyone who mentioned his middle name or his Muslim roots.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 12:12 PM (39g3+)

118 Holy War? Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at February 20, 2017 12:12 PM (hdpay)

119 I don't really care for the name "Radical Islam." If you really want to characterize it accurately, it should be called "Islamic Supremacy."

Posted by: V the K at February 20, 2017 12:13 PM (O7MnT)

120
"The Medina suras are blasphemy." saith the Mecca-Suras.

Que Suras Suras

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 20, 2017 12:14 PM (IqV8l)

121 Can these muthers read??? I wrote about this shiite 200 years ago...

Posted by: Thomas Jefferson at February 20, 2017 12:15 PM (DpOmP)

122 Repost still on point:

Obama has this mistaken idea that typical Americans don't understand that the odds of their getting killed by terrorists are low, so that we're like infantile children afraid of the dark.

I know the odds are low, you fuckhead.

The point is that terrorism is an affront to civilization and must be squelched. So yes, we're ANGRY, not afraid.

The barbarity of ISIS in their lands of conquest screams for the simple response of bomb them back to the stone age.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 20, 2017 12:15 PM (bQxkN)

123 ""The Medina suras are blasphemy." saith the Mecca-Suras."

Let's you and him fight. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 20, 2017 12:16 PM (97XyN)

124
Apparently there are rallies supporting the impeachment of President Trump today.

Insane these people are.
Posted by: blaster

They are proudly calling today: "Not My President's Day"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 20, 2017 12:16 PM (IqV8l)

125 Que Suras Suras
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 20, 2017 12:14 PM (IqV8l)

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*golf clap*

And you will be hearing from Doris Day's attorney.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 20, 2017 12:16 PM (8XRCm)

126 Trump seems to have the correct attitude toward it and to have no agenda other than to protect the country.

Like everything else he tries to do, though, he will have to hammer his case home. There is no shortage of left wing idiots ready to shriek, "recruiting terrorists with his policies, Islamophobia, climate of hate, gun control!" anytime there is an attack. And there will be. It could get worse before it gets better.

For my part, I'm getting over the part of kind of apologizing for Trump, "Well, he wasn't my first choice...he is-fill in the blanks-sometimes", etc.)
I'm planning on being more aggressive when I hear liberals throw out talking points designed to put us on the defensive and frame the terms of the debate. Not a big deal, but if a lot of people do this it can put a little sand in the left's gears.

He had his rally this weekend, which was predictably mocked, and he can only do so much to sell his policies and views. If I support a policy of his, so be it. If I disagree with a specific, so be it. I'll say so either way.

But I am getting very tired of this meme that everything he does is grotesque, stupid, wrong, scary or buffoonish. Time for the left to be on the defense for a while.

Posted by: RM at February 20, 2017 12:16 PM (U3LtS)

127
They are proudly calling today: "Not My President's Day"
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 20, 2017 12:16 PM (IqV8l)

Sore losers...but I am happy to let them keep digging their hole. Next stop: Keith Ellison.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2017 12:17 PM (KlI/a)

128
Obama has this mistaken idea that typical Americans don't understand that the odds of their getting killed by terrorists are low, so that we're like infantile children afraid of the dark.

The odds of me getting shot are low so why the push for gun control?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 20, 2017 12:17 PM (IqV8l)

129 As far as I can tell they are for children but also for killing unborn ones with no restriction, no apology, and no need for a fee. They are for LBGT and women's "rights," but ally themselves with Muslims who practice FGM, oppose abortion, treat women like cattle, and promote and engage in honor killings, and advocate death for LBGT people. They are for women's rights, but want men who think they are women to use women's washrooms. They are for free speech, but shut down anybody who disagrees with them, and, of course, ally themselves with Muslims who oppose freedom of speech and thought as part of their core dogma. They are against racism but try to stir up old racial animosities and conflicts that had long been resolved, buried, and forgotten. They are for poor working people, but oppose the tax and the regulatory structures that create jobs. They are for poor working people but favor unrestricted immigration that drives down wages, crowds out jobs, and absorbs the funds of public welfare schemes. They want free education for all, but oppose letting poor and middle class people have the right to choose their schools, unlike the rich people who do. They shout "Love Trumps Hate!" as they bash opponents with bricks and poles. They have spent decades denouncing the military, the CIA, the NSA, and the FBI as oppressors of the people, but now want those agencies to sabotage an elected president. The wealthy ones denounce gun ownership and walls but live behind protective shields of men with guns and walls around their exclusive properties. Hollywood stars who made millions living in the land of make-believe denounce non-existent Trumpian "brownshirts" and bravely proclaim their resistance! They are for the environment and prove it by flying to environmental rallies in their private jets. They, well . . . you can go on with this sad litany.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 20, 2017 12:18 PM (GjigR)

130 Two Administrations - Two Very Different Views of Islamic Terrorism

Well, in fairness, the two administrations in question were on opposite sides of the issue; you might as well label them "Pro" and "Con."

Posted by: Qoheleth at February 20, 2017 12:19 PM (iIzG7)

131 103
99 OT: Trump better hurry up with our bailout or we're not going to
be able to afford to secede! Or even to clean up after all this rain.
Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2017 12:02 PM (29QcC)

The Drought. Day One.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

On the plus side, new accommodations will soon be available for the illegals. The high speed trains will never move, so they can put them into the inert trains. Granted, people packed into railcars is a fraught image, but since there are no absolute truths, they'll come up with something.

Posted by: pep at February 20, 2017 12:20 PM (LAe3v)

132 Sore losers...but I am happy to let them keep digging their hole.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2017 12:17 PM (KlI/a)

This.

Let every mask fall.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 20, 2017 12:20 PM (8nWyX)

133 Just a few on the Left give begrudging acknowledgement that maybe Trump was talking about Sweden's rape epidemic. Here's the Vox juice boxers:

"Official Swedish statistics do indeed show a high rate of rape, but that's because Swedish law has an extremely expansive definition of what qualifies as rape under the law. Sweden has a higher official rape rate, in short, because its police are better able to investigate and prosecute sexual violence."

OK, go with that. Ignore the hockey stick increase.

The number of Muslim refugees in Sweden who are legally employed is measured in the hundreds, from what I've seen, out of a population measure in the hundreds of thousands. NOT GOOD!

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 20, 2017 12:20 PM (bQxkN)

134 They are proudly calling today: "Not My President's Day"
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 20, 2017 12:16 PM (IqV8l)

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My response is usually along the lines of ..... "Well, Hillary's not your President either."

Posted by: fixerupper at February 20, 2017 12:20 PM (8XRCm)

135 Well, in fairness, the two administrations in
question were on opposite sides of the issue; you might as well label
them "Pro" and "Con."

Posted by: Qoheleth

We could label the left side "Jane, you ignorant slut".

Posted by: pep at February 20, 2017 12:21 PM (LAe3v)

136 Yes yes yes, and the odds of being eaten by a shark are extremely low. Unless you are, at the moment, being eaten by a shark. Would you then be thinking, gee, figure the odds?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 20, 2017 12:22 PM (kTF2Z)

137 Obama has this mistaken idea that typical Americans don't understand that the odds of their getting killed by terrorists are low, so that we're like infantile children afraid of the dark.

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But the odds of "somebody" getting killed by terrorists approaches metaphysical certainty.

Too bad for those poor fuckers I guess.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 20, 2017 12:22 PM (8XRCm)

138
The odds YOU of actually being killed by terrorism is infinitesimally small.... almost zero.

So are the odds of being killed by the effects of global warming.But that doesn't stop them from calling it the greatest threat to mankind in history.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 20, 2017 12:22 PM (lKyWE)

139 My response is usually along the lines of ..... "Well, Hillary's not your President either."
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*jots down to use later*

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 20, 2017 12:23 PM (PXbkt)

140 128 . . . The odds of me getting shot are low so why the push for gun control?
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That gun control theme, and the idea that society is somehow to blame for individual murder sprees, has been going on for 50 years. Last night I watched a PBS "Independent Lens" film about the Charles Whitman mass murder from the UT bell tower, which happened in 1966. At one point the film has one of the survivors perusing the then-current Life magazine, which has a full spread of the 3-year-old Whitman on a beach, holding a rifle on each side of him (the butts in the sand). Implication: "He played with guns, now he's killed people with one."

Later they also run a clip of Walter Cronkite essentially indicting society for what Whitman did.

Nineteen sixty-six, people. And it hasn't let up since.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 20, 2017 12:24 PM (uWhPn)

141 What they fail to consider is the odds of SOEMBODY
being killed by terrorism in the near future is very high.... almost a
metaphysical certainty.

What these assholes of heart and courage dont acknowledge is that
their feelz comes at the expense of the nameless faceless others that
WILL BE KILLED. They condemn those others to maiming and death because
they prefer to maintain their perceived moral superiority over those
that choose to battle against the terrorists.

They trade the deaths of those "others" for their self
congratulatory pats on the back. Fuck them. In a way the jihadis are
better than they are.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 20, 2017 12:12 PM (8XRCm)

Exactly the same thing re garden-variety criminals that liberals want paroled. "Turn him loose!" Said sotto voce: "Somewhere else!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 12:24 PM (SRKgf)

142 Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 20, 2017 12:18 PM (GjigR)

Cognitive Dissonance is one of the Left's main traits. It gives along with their inability to make logical comparisons or discern cause and effect.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 20, 2017 12:24 PM (IDPbH)

143
The Reformation in Christianity was brought about by the invention of movable type and the dissemination of Bible's so that anyone could look at the words and form their own conclusions as to meaning.

Perhaps the rise in Islamic terrorism is based on the same principle, that millions can now cheaply, or at no cost, read the words and come to their own conclusions. Many are coming to the conclusion 'I kill you'.

With all of the different sects, none with any central authorities, the only strategy to remain safe, as any sort of unifying organization ruling over the various sects and controlling interpretations achieving success is fantasy, is quarantine.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at February 20, 2017 12:25 PM (ZFUt7)

144 This is just not my day!

Posted by: Hillary! at February 20, 2017 12:25 PM (kTF2Z)

145 Islam delenda est. It must be defeated at all costs.

If even 10% of muslims world-wide support the jihad effort, that is a potentially military force of 160,000,000 men willing to pick up arms. That does not include the approximately 30% who will offer material, financial and moral support.

Unfortunately, we don't have enough friends willing to acknowledge the danger.

Most folks don't appreciate my suggestion to fight and win the war, because it is nuts, but it is the only way. It does involve a lot of killing. But it is only a part, the minds of the muslims need to be liberated from islam. Some may understand a secular democracy, but most do not. No, it requires the persistent broadcast in the local language of the Acts of the Apostles and the Letters. That is where the power of conversion exists.
Convert the muslims and the warfare threat decreases significantly.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at February 20, 2017 12:25 PM (7N6ox)

146 I can't afford to lose any more IQ points, so I have not read, nor do I intend to read, "Rules for Radicals". But isn't the idea of government co-opting a violent, vocal minority and giving them free reign to terrorize the majority - then insisting there's no terrorism - part of an overarching strategy to 1) manufacture social instability and 2) leverage that instability to revoke constitutionally guaranteed freedoms and expand state power? Call me crazy, but isn't this why, in the last year of his administration, Obama pointed his finger at the NRA whenever there was a terrorist attack perpetrated by the same people whose federal advocates claimed were being victimized by rampant racism, hate crimes, etc.?

Posted by: Sirius the Canine Pundit at February 20, 2017 12:25 PM (LBO1U)

147 That whole "the odds of you being killed by a terrorist" is asinine and deliberately misleading.

People's concern isn't that they personally will be killed by a terrorist attack, but rather that anybody will be killed by a terrorist attack. And further for every death, there are scores of injuries, and hundreds of traumatized people. And further than that, terrorism only covers one small portion of the concern: just ask Sweden or Rotterheim, or any of the people beaten, robbed, raped, and killed by Muslim extremists.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 12:26 PM (39g3+)

148 So it's "not My Presidents day?" Funny.. I had to suffer through 8 years of the worst President in history but I never thought to have an official "day"...

Posted by: deplorable donna at February 20, 2017 12:27 PM (O2RFr)

149 "Official Swedish statistics do indeed show a high
rate of rape, but that's because Swedish law has an extremely expansive
definition of what qualifies as rape under the law. Sweden has a higher
official rape rate, in short, because its police are better able to
investigate and prosecute sexual violence."

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 20, 2017 12:20 PM (bQxkN)

Bullshit. Sweden's rape rate has increased 15-FOLD in the last 20 years, during which time the population has increased by only 10%. I doubt that they changed the law significantly in that time.

And if one accepts the leftists' crap, which I do not, it means that Swedish leftists have gone overboard in their "extremely expansive definition of what constitutes rape," doesn't it?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 12:27 PM (SRKgf)

150 My chances of being harmed by a dam break is 0%. Somehow I'm not opposed to taking all efforts necessary to prevent it from happening.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 20, 2017 12:28 PM (IDPbH)

151 Wasn't Whitman insane because of a brain tumor?

Posted by: steevy at February 20, 2017 12:28 PM (r/0kC)

152 The biggest problem with "fighting violent extremism" is in providing cover for those who look for any excuse to clamp down on free speech and gun rights, most particularly conservative speech and law abiding gun owners.

Best real-world, recent example? Blaming Benghazi on a "hate video." Advancing the "ban hate speech" narrative was a feature, not a bug.

Some degree of "profiling"i.e. focusing on the actual threat is not just acceptable, but necessary to meet a threat to safety without throwing out everyone's liberty.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 20, 2017 12:28 PM (QtQaN)

153 A friend of mine showed me this the other day. It explains muzzies in a very clear manner:

https://youtu.be/ERou_Q5l9Gw

About 25 minutes long, but worth watching the whole thing.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 20, 2017 12:29 PM (GUBah)

154 I can't afford to lose any more IQ points, so I have
not read, nor do I intend to read, "Rules for Radicals".

Posted by: Sirius the Canine Pundit at February 20, 2017 12:25 PM (LBO1U)
Actually, it's worthwhile reading, just to familiarize oneself with the enemy's playbook. Alinsky was a slimy Communist cocksucker, but he wasn't stupid.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 12:29 PM (SRKgf)

155
Later they also run a clip of Walter Cronkite essentially indicting society for what Whitman did.

Nineteen sixty-six, people. And it hasn't let up since.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

But Cronkite wasn't "fake news", right?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 20, 2017 12:29 PM (IqV8l)

156 Some degree of "profiling"i.e. focusing on the
actual threat is not just acceptable, but necessary to meet a threat to
safety without throwing out everyone's liberty.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 20, 2017 12:28 PM (QtQaN)
"Profiling" aka "good police work."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 12:30 PM (SRKgf)

157 So, everything is rape to a leftist but then Vox complains of Sweden's low legal bar to what is rape.

Makes sense...to a brain dead leftist.

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at February 20, 2017 12:30 PM (9nft8)

158 The odds of a foreign terrorist attack, or a naturalized foreigner attack is reduced if the foreigner is located 10 time zones away.

Posted by: Sky Masterson at February 20, 2017 12:30 PM (uDWh8)

159 151 Wasn't Whitman insane because of a brain tumor?
Posted by: steevy at February 20, 2017 12:28 PM (r/0kC)

Yes.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 12:30 PM (SRKgf)

160 Wasn't Assange charged with rape in Sweden for having sex without a condom?

Posted by: steevy at February 20, 2017 12:33 PM (r/0kC)

161 The Left blamed JFKs assassination on the Right's ' environment of hatred' even though it was a communist sympathizer who pulled the trigger.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 20, 2017 12:33 PM (IDPbH)

162 Ok, here's my theory FWIW:

Many people who are liberal do things they know are morally wrong, but do them anyways. They are scared of dying. I've actually been told this by more than one hardcore liberal.

Islam terrifies them. They could get killed, die and go to hell.

They do not have the moral fiber to confront Islam directly. They are too scared of dying.

So, instead, they want to appease Islam.

And practice psychological displacement: Islam is good, Bush, who wants to confront Islam, is the bad. BDS.

Obama totally and completely appeased Islam and told liberals what they wanted to hear. Islam is peaceful and there is no chance you will be killed by Islamic terrorism. Islam is warm and fuzzy and better than free high quality condoms and endless government funded abortions.

Now we have Trump, who makes Bush look like an elderly, non-confrontational pastor who never disagrees with anyone. Trump is Uber Alpha Confronter.

So he is... Worse than Hitler.

And, IMHO, that's why half of the nation is batshit crazy right now.

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 20, 2017 12:33 PM (J5mC3)

163 That whole "the odds of you being killed by a terrorist" is asinine and deliberately misleading.

It really is. The odds of you being killed in a mass shooting or by a drunk driver are negligible also, but leftists don't shrug them off, do they? Nor should they, but they shouldn't shrug off the threat from terrorism either.

It may be helpful to point out to them that terrorist attacks tend to occur in cities - more targets - which are almost without exception full of liberals.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 12:33 PM (SRKgf)

164 Crimes by muslims are covered up by the media and the government in Europe.Even the victims in some cases.

Posted by: steevy at February 20, 2017 12:34 PM (r/0kC)

165 A liberal acquaintance slopped the 'the odds are against you getting killed by a mooooslimb" at me.

I asked him if I could offer a bag with 1000 pieces of candy to his kids and let them each take one piece. Oh, one of those candies is poisoned.

He gets that idea now. There may actually be hope for him.

Posted by: cicero Kaboom! kid at February 20, 2017 12:34 PM (uB+td)

166 158 The odds of a foreign terrorist attack, or a naturalized foreigner attack is reduced if the foreigner is located 10 time zones away.
Posted by: Sky Masterson at February 20, 2017 12:30 PM (uDWh

And for those who aren't 10 time zones away, but here, knowing that they'll be hanged for pulling any of that crap will give them something to think about.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 12:35 PM (SRKgf)

167 By leftist logic if there's a gang shooting in Brooklyn we should frisk everyone on Wall Street.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 20, 2017 12:35 PM (QtQaN)

168 The difference today from 16 years ago (2001) is that there are NOW a great many men (and some women) who have had first hand knowledge of Islam, in Kuwait, in Iraq and Afghanistan.
They now have a first hand appraisal of just what it is. They are not going to be confused by what a Hairy Reasoner says on the TV.

Many people are justifiably upset at George W. Bush calling Islam a "religion of peace". But also recall that we were going to make alliance with some of them (Muslims) in Afghanistan and Iraq to displace two particularly ugly tyrannies.

What the last 15-20 years has done to America and parts of the West is to sharpen the personal notions of many people as to just what Islam is, what is the reality of it.

We still have millions of useful idiots that want to be touchy - feely with Islam, but maybe not as many as you think.

Susan Saranwrap and Russell Simpleton had a pro-Islam immigrant rally in Times Square in NY City this weekend. It drew "a thousand" people. In NY City, in Times Square, and the weather was pretty decent.

This may give you some idea of just how tepid the enthusiasm is for all this.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at February 20, 2017 12:36 PM (RFeQD)

169 He gets that idea now. There may actually be hope for him.

Posted by: cicero Kaboom! kid at February 20, 2017 12:34 PM (uB+td)
Well done. It's amazing that someone is stupid enough to require that thought experiment to get the idea, but what the hey.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 12:36 PM (SRKgf)

170 Cognitive Dissonance is one of the Left's main traits. It gives along with their inability to make logical comparisons or discern cause and effect.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 20, 2017 12:24 PM (IDPbH)

Cramming "women are strong, nurturing, and blessed daughters of the earth; they bring new lives into the world, etc etc" and "hey, this dude has tits and high heels. oh also a huge swinging dong. he's a woman? got it" into my mind simultaneously always did seem A Bridge Too Far.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 20, 2017 12:37 PM (8nWyX)

171 They trade the deaths of those "others" for their self congratulatory pats on the back. Fuck them.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 20, 2017 12:12 PM (8XRCm)

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I've recently heard scenarios such as this -- and many of the policies in which The Left engages -- referred to as "statistical murder."

Sounds like something in which Comrade Stalin would approve ...

Posted by: ShainS at February 20, 2017 12:37 PM (mt8X9)

172 169 He gets that idea now. There may actually be hope for him.

Posted by: cicero Kaboom! kid at February 20, 2017 12:34 PM (uB+td)
Well done. It's amazing that someone is stupid enough to require that thought experiment to get the idea, but what the hey.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 12:36 PM (SRKgf)

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I remember a little meme spat a few months ago that used that example.

The left countered with, "People aren't candy, morons!"

It was a beautiful demonstration of their intellectual brilliance.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 20, 2017 12:38 PM (vur0q)

173 People's concern isn't that they personally will be killed by a terrorist attack, but rather that anybody will be killed by a terrorist attack.--Taylor

This goes right to the definition of what "terrorism" is, as a political strategy.
People think it's Reign of Terror, where everyone sleep with an eye open because They're Coming For Us All.

No, with terrorism you only have to blow up a town square once in a while.
That changes people's feeling of safety quite enough to retard commerce, tourism, "privilege."

I'm a country bumpkin, don't really feel at home in any large city anyway. Now when I think about traveling, London, Brussels et al are just right out.
It's not that I'm that likely to get blowed up, it's just that after I spend (what I think of as) mega-bucks to get all touchy-feely with a place, I don't want it to be a crowded place all tied up with security policing.

Just so I'm not BS'ing ya, I also get damn sick, damn quick, of being challenged on what You Americans are doing to the rest of the world, this week. Hell, I can get that for free at home. So for this planning season, I'm watching the street climate in the South of England pretty closely. Travel can be so...narrowing.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 20, 2017 12:38 PM (H5rtT)

174 Wasn't Whitman insane because of a brain tumor?
Posted by: steevy at February 20, 2017 12:28 PM (r/0kC)

Yes.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 12:30 PM (SRKgf)

And he knew something was wrong, too. Saw several doctors in months before the shooting and even told one he was thinking about it.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 20, 2017 12:38 PM (GUBah)

175 What they fail to consider is the odds of SOEMBODY being killed by terrorism in the near future is very high.... almost a metaphysical certainty.

What these assholes of heart and courage dont acknowledge is that their feelz comes at the expense of the nameless faceless others that WILL BE KILLED. They condemn those others to maiming and death because they prefer to maintain their perceived moral superiority over those that choose to battle against the terrorists.

They trade the deaths of those "others" for their self congratulatory pats on the back. Fuck them. In a way the jihadis are better than they are.

The jihadis can at least choose a fucking side.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 20, 2017 12:12 PM (8XRCm)

This is nuts on. Its how the mind of a leftist works. I was told years ago a lib is the person that feeds the sharks hoping he is last one eaten. They will sacrifice any and all to preserve their moral superiority. Not a shred of honor in their miserable existence.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at February 20, 2017 12:38 PM (aMlLZ)

176 Someday they'll get to the bottom of Islamic Terrorism.

I think it's the Islam.
But to be polite, call it Islamist.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 20, 2017 12:39 PM (P/kVC)

177 The thing is, it doesn't matter how likely I am to be killed by a terrorist attack. The odds are irrelevant to the discussion.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 20, 2017 12:40 PM (39g3+)

178 I've been posting the meme "Alinksy you magnificent bastard I read your book" for over a year.

Trump took the Left's playbook for "Community Organizing" and turned tables

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 20, 2017 12:40 PM (bQxkN)

179 "As an example of how not to answer this question, the Obama administration convened a Countering Violent Extremism (CVE) Working Group in 2010"

This is who Fedzilla had been defining as "religious extremists" during the Obama years. The list is, um, _extensive_.

http://tinyurl.com/heqw4bf

Posted by: torquewrench at February 20, 2017 12:40 PM (noWW6)

180 The odds of an infidel being targeted for terror if properly paying the jizya, refraining from insulting The Prophet and selling only Halal is extremely low.
You're not Jewish are you?

Posted by: Your Local Imam at February 20, 2017 12:41 PM (QtQaN)

181 My chances of being harmed by a dam break is 0%.
Somehow I'm not opposed to taking all efforts necessary to prevent it
from happening.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 20, 2017 12:28 PM (IDPbH)

To hell with em!
#notmydam

Posted by: IP at February 20, 2017 12:42 PM (hUtue)

182 "Many people are justifiably upset at George W. Bush calling Islam a 'religion of peace'. But also recall that we were going to make alliance with some of them (Muslims) in Afghanistan and Iraq to displace two particularly ugly tyrannies."

Let's not forget the specific naming of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia as trusted "allies in the War On Terror".

I'm going to formally nominate the foxes and the raccoons to key posts on my henhouse security team. I'm sure they'll happily cooperate in the name of making the world a safer place for innocent chickens.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 20, 2017 12:43 PM (noWW6)

183 Another "journalist" thinks that Trump is out to get her.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/257878/

Posted by: steevy at February 20, 2017 12:43 PM (r/0kC)

184 Well done. It's amazing that someone is stupid enough to require that thought experiment to get the idea, but what the hey.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 12:36 PM (SRKgf)

It's predictable.

It's why so many Statists (I picked that word carefully) insist on keeping any policy discussion confined to the theoretical and abstract.

Because when I make these arguments personal ... such as "Why in the fuck do YOU - yes, YOU - feel entitled to X amount of my dollars" ... their arguments lose steam pretty quickly.

You can decisively win arguments with Statists ... but you have to be willing to go personal and humiliate them. They know that, they know most people are too nice to do so, and they use that to their own advantage.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 20, 2017 12:43 PM (RWSlt)

185 >>People's concern isn't that they personally will be killed by a terrorist attack, but rather that anybody will be killed by a terrorist attack.-

And even talking about *just* big terror attacks is so 2014.
If you follow what's going on in Europe, it's not just the big splashy attacks of Charlie Hebdo, the Brussels airport, etc., it's the unraveling of civilized society thanks to refugee vandals who are running roughshod over the locals every day, in hundreds of ways - rapes, thefts, random beatings, stabbings, arson, intimidation, and so on. They make wherever they move to uninhabitable, people fear for their safety form just random brutality meted out by refugees for sh#ts and giggles. Much more corrosive than the big attack one can talk themselves into believing they can avoid.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 20, 2017 12:44 PM (NOIQH)

186 People's concern isn't that they personally will be killed by a terrorist attack, but rather that anybody will be killed by a terrorist attack.--Taylor

This goes right to the definition of what "terrorism" is, as a political strategy.
People think it's Reign of Terror, where everyone sleep with an eye open because They're Coming For Us All.

No, with terrorism you only have to blow up a town square once in a while.
That changes people's feeling of safety quite enough to retard commerce, tourism, "privilege."

Part of Genghis Khan's strategy was to accept the surrender of cities relatively graciously, as long as they bent the knee, and provided men and money to his continuing efforts. If they refused to surrender, he'd slaughter every living thing within the city walls. This ultimately led to the deaths of millions.

Apparently the left is okay with old Genghis, since they intend to surrender, and don't really care about the others.

Posted by: pep at February 20, 2017 12:44 PM (LAe3v)

187 The problem of radical Islam is the problem of Islam itself.

Many are afraid that if Islam is the problem there can be no solution. That terrifies them. So they do all they can to avoid engaging with the evidence that Islam is the problem.

Posted by: Jake at February 20, 2017 12:45 PM (LW+DN)

188
And he knew something was wrong, too. Saw several doctors in months before the shooting and even told one he was thinking about it.
Posted by: Country Singer at February 20, 2017 12:38 PM (GUBah)

When he stopped showing up none of them thought to mention it to the school or law enforcement

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 20, 2017 12:46 PM (lKyWE)

189 I remember a little meme spat a few months ago that used that example.

The left countered with, "People aren't candy, morons!"

It was a beautiful demonstration of their intellectual brilliance.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 20, 2017 12:38 PM (vur0q)
How about this one?
We had a baseball fouled off into thick brush in a canyon, aka prime rattlesnake turf. We looked at each other and said, "Fuggit. A baseball isn't worth the risk of rummaging through Mr. Rattlesnake's backyard."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 12:46 PM (SRKgf)

190 This is who Fedzilla had been defining as "religious extremists" during the Obama years. The list is, um, _extensive_.

http://tinyurl.com/heqw4bf
Posted by: torquewrench at February 20, 2017 12:40 PM (noWW6)

Without looking, I'm going to guess that the SPLC is a primary source for their list. You know, the "poverty" center that's worth $302 million.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 20, 2017 12:46 PM (GUBah)

191 ""The Medina suras are blasphemy." saith the Mecca-Suras."

Suri 3:12 Lo, and on the day he got into Mecca from Medina the Prophet (PBUH) spoke

Suri 3:13 And he said to the faithful with a stern visage and words that were a flaming sword of truth, vanquishing all those fron Al Kabong to Al Qohalec

Suri 3:14 And the words were quick to open the ears of the faithful.

Suri 3:15 Saying, verily, you know everything I said before? It was bullshit.

Suri 3:16 And the Ummah went forth to rape, kill, pillage rape, and plunder. And rape, because they liked rape. And murder too.

Suri 3:17 Did I mention lying? They did that too.

Suri 3:18 But only if it furthered the Dar Es Sallaam.

Suri 3:19 Which. by definition, everything they said was a lie,

Suri 3:20 Because, like an episode of Threes Company, if you tell one lie, you pretty much have to tell more to support that lie so Tripper (PBUH) won�t get fire from the Regal Beagal or Mr. Roper won�t discover he�s a fag.

Posted by: Koranic Muslimspaining at February 20, 2017 12:47 PM (AjjIl)

192 Good piece about the left wing going nuts

Posted by: steevy at February 20, 2017 12:48 PM (r/0kC)

193 >>This is who Fedzilla had been defining as "religious extremists"

Wait until the hear about the Church of GAINZZZZ.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2017 12:48 PM (p+Qx5)

194 Whoops,forgot the link.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/257884/

Posted by: steevy at February 20, 2017 12:48 PM (r/0kC)

195 Suri 3:13 And he said to the faithful with a stern visage and words that
were a flaming sword of truth, vanquishing all those fron Al Kabong to
Al Qohalec
>>>

What no mention of Baba Looey?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 20, 2017 12:49 PM (XtAzU)

196 A close second in stupidity to the Left's bleating about the low odds of any given individual being killed by terrorism is the converse: "Not ALL Muslims are bad."

That one really pisses me off, for several reasons. While it does acknowledge that SOME of them are bad, it sets up the straw man that we're saying every frigging one is bad. In principle, if they can find ONE good Muslim, they've proved their specious point.

I counter with "So how many bad ones does it take to make a problem? Give me a number. Ten percent? One percent? One-tenth of a percent? Because 0.1% of 100,000 is 1,000 - and most terrorist attacks involve fewer than 10 Muslims."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 12:51 PM (SRKgf)

197 UGH! Just helped BIL load up at truckload of Firewood ! I am getting too Old for that shit. Hello By the way

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 20, 2017 12:52 PM (y3aQB)

198
What no mention of Baba Looey?

Posted by: Buzzsaw

I'll do the flamin' around here, Baba Looey!

Posted by: Al Kabong at February 20, 2017 12:53 PM (IqV8l)

199 Whitman's letter:

Asks if his life insurance is still valid to pay his debts and donate the rest to "a mental health foundation. Maybe research can prevent further tragedies of this type."

https://tinyurl.com/6oauj3g

Posted by: Country Singer at February 20, 2017 12:55 PM (GUBah)

200 Because 0.1% of 100,000 is 1,000 - and most terrorist attacks involve fewer than 10 Muslims.

Me: But.....

Them: **shhhhh, he's on a roll**

Posted by: Tim Marchman at February 20, 2017 12:57 PM (LAe3v)

201 https://tinyurl.com/zldf8ko

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Thanks To Rex Tillerson For Cleaning Up The State Department

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 20, 2017 12:57 PM (y3aQB)

202 Me: But.....

Them: **shhhhh, he's on a roll**

Posted by: Tim Marchman at February 20, 2017 12:57 PM (LAe3v)
Oops. Yep. I changed the numbers on the fly, and forgot to update all of them. My bad.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2017 12:58 PM (SRKgf)

203
https://youtu.be/ERou_Q5l9Gw

About 25 minutes long, but worth watching the whole thing.
Posted by: Country Singer at February 20, 2017 12:29 PM (GUBah)

Outstanding Video! Thanks

Posted by: Don Q. at February 20, 2017 01:01 PM (qf6WZ)

204 NOOD

Posted by: ShainS at February 20, 2017 01:02 PM (mt8X9)

205 I'm moving over toward Social Justice Terror is a bigger problem domestically than islamic terror. The SJT are colluding to help the islamic terrorists and should be thought of as them.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 20, 2017 01:50 PM (cOHS7)

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