Open Letter To William Kristol

Bill Kristol at AEI: "Replace the White Working Class" pic.twitter.com/jqB4J2qETk
— Andrew Quackson (@AndrewQuackson) February 9, 2017

A National Disgrace

To: Mr. William Kristol, Editor at Large, Weekly Standard

It is now the middle of February, the election is over 3 months behind us, and it has been almost one month since Donald Trump inaugurated as our 45th President. I have been perusing your Twitter TL since the election, and I think I have a good idea of what your general mood is. So I have a message for you. It's a simple message, which I heartily urge you to heed:

You need to shut up and go away.

There are two reasons for this. The first is the whole #Nevertrump thing, which I'll get to a bit later. More importantly, you need to shut up and go away because your policies suck and don't work. I'm referring to these policies, which you have been agitating in favor of for over 20 years:

1. open borders
2. comprehensive, multilateral trade agreements
3. a large military footprint overseas

Now, you may not want to admit this, but I think it's pretty obvious that all of these policies have been abject failures. Instead of bringing in naturally conservative voters, lax border enforcement has instead brought in, among the usual hordes of illegal immigrants, infiltrations of dangerous criminals who have murdered our citizens and increased the threat of terrorism, and who have no desire to assimilate to anything except welfare benefits. The big trade agreements that you claimed would bring national prosperity, instead benefitted only a few at the top of the heap, such as yourself, and condemned working class Americans in large swaths of the country to more or less permanent unemployment. Lastly, we've been expending money, material, and the lives of our young men and women overseas for the better part of two decades, with little to show for it. America isn't appreciably safer, nor is the world appreciably more peaceful than it was twenty years ago, and in many ways, it it is more hostile and more dangerous than ever before. And this despite the trillions of dollars we've spent and the hundreds of lives we've sacrificed.

So, in the face of these failures, you need to shut up and go away.

Now, getting back to #NeverTrump, this is where the butter has really slipped off your noodles. If you don't like Trump, fine. If you don't want to vote for him, fine. But Trump's a funny guy. I don't know exactly what it is about him, but he just drives some people absolutely bonkers. He recalls to mind the old-time radio superhero known as The Shadow, who had "the power to cloud men's minds." Well, Trump is like The Shadow on steroids. He not only has the power to cloud men's minds, but also to completely unhinge them.

I think not voting for Trump is a mistake, but a forgivable one. But what's not forgivable is what you and the rest of the #NeverTrump claque did, which was to drag an insignificant nobody out of Utah, whom no one had ever heard of before, and promote him like he was some kind of conservative dream candidate. Your idea was that we all should vote for instead of Donald Trump with the slim to none chance that the election would have to be adjudicated in the House of Representatives. And this was not a primary battle, it was all done after the primaries were over, and Trump had secured the nomination. What possible hope was there that this would succeed, that Republican voters would abandon their party's candidate and flock en masse to your #NeverTrump banner and this new candidate?

Did you honestly think this would happen? If you did, you're delusional. It's clear your Trump-hatred has truly driven you bonkers. Because the only possible outcome to your ill-conceived #NeverTrump campaign would be that Trump would be weakened significantly enough so that Hillary Clinton would be elected president.

And this all in the name of "conservative" values. Think about that for a moment. A corrupt socialist would be President today because you acted in the name of "conservative" values. How messed up is that? What kind of topsy-turvy, bizarro world do you live in where this makes sense? How unhinged to you have to be?

As I said, Donald Trump has the power to cloud men's minds.

But then it gets better. Because after Trump's election, this "great" conservative candidate of yours that you promoted like the second coming of Ronald Reagan has been attacking Trump *from the left*, using the left's talking points. Does that sound like a "great" conservative to you? Is hitting from the left what a "great" conservative does?

Aren't you completely embarrassed that you ever supported this guy?

You apparently have no idea how out-of-touch you and other conservative pundits sound. The caterwauling from you and Charles Krauthammer when Trump dared to utter the phrase "America first" in his inaugural address was both delusional and tone deaf. Delusional because nobody but a few pedants gives a rip about how Charles Lindbergh used that phrase 80 years ago, and tone deaf because you apparently have no clue how this plays to normal Americans who live outside the Beltway. As another conservative columnist has written:

[N]ormal Americans...kind of liked it when their president promised to put their interests ahead of greedy foreigners and domestic elitist snobs. Here’s the thing: when you find the idea of putting America first terrible, you necessarily put yourself at odds with actual Americans. They would kind of like to be the first priority of their president.

So instead of submitting the United States to some global world order, I think it's time we tried something different. In fact, I think that was one of the issues this election was about. And you either can not or do not seem to understand this.

So you and other "conservative" pundits are running around with their hair is on fire because Trump said the word "tariff". But do you know something? Your way hasn't worked. Your way sucks. I've always thought that tariffs were a bad idea, but I don't care any more. I'm willing to do what you and the rest of you #NeverTrump dead-enders are apparently unwilling to do, which is to give Trump a chance. Everything he's done so far, from his cabinet picks to his EOs, have filled me with confidence. In fact, I'm willing to bet that if a President Jeb Bush or a President Marco Rubio had done what Trump has done, you would be jumping up and down like a spastic puppy.

So I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Lastly, I think it's good that you're one of those who have publicly been driven bonkers by Donald Trump. Because now it's clear who you really are. Ultimately, you're committed not so much to conservative principles, but rather to a Beltway status quo that Trump is a huge threat to. Based on your actions over the past few months, I can see (and indeed, so can everybody else) that you wouldn't have cared all that much if it had been Hillary Clinton who won the election. Even if Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz had came out on top in the Republican primaries, and then went on to lose in the general election to Hillary Clinton, you would not have been greatly discomfited. Yes, you wouldn't have liked it, and yes, I'm sure that for at least the next four years, the Weekly Standard would be filled with articles and think pieces critical of Clinton and her policies, but they would all pretty much impotent to actually change anything.

So I think the election of President Trump has given us the chance, for the first time, to effect real change in national politics. And it's been instructive to see how you and the rest of the #NeverTump crowd are all weeping and wailing and digging in your heels, even now, even after most of the decisions Trump has made so far have been conservative. This tells me that you're part of the problem that electing Trump is supposed to solve. And it confirms to me that voting for Trump was the correct choice.

Yours, etc., etc.

Posted by: OregonMuse at 05:22 PM

Comments

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1 Nice.

Posted by: Afroman at February 13, 2017 05:16 PM (NCDn0)

2 Crap. I'll get the others.

Posted by: Afroman at February 13, 2017 05:16 PM (NCDn0)

3 Yes, go away. We wantzta luxuriate in our massive pool of winnings.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now @SMcEvil on GAB at February 13, 2017 05:17 PM (kXoT0)

4 Corgis summoned.

Posted by: Afroman at February 13, 2017 05:17 PM (NCDn0)

5 Bravo, OM. That deserves an Instalanche.

Posted by: rickl at February 13, 2017 05:18 PM (zoehZ)

6 Him and David Frum could do a dinner theater gig. "Two Twits Who Are Twats."

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 13, 2017 05:18 PM (AhVwx)

7 As for this longing to replace us uppity White folks with biddable folks of a Color Other Than White:

S-C-R-E-W Y-O-U

to the moon and back.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now @SMcEvil on GAB at February 13, 2017 05:18 PM (kXoT0)

8 Ohhh...good one, OM. I like the 'jumping up and down like a spastic puppy' (because mine totally still does that even at 3.5 years old).

Posted by: IC at February 13, 2017 05:19 PM (a0IVu)

9 And when you go, Billy, leave the gun AND the cannoli.

Because you'll hurt yourself with the one and you sure don't need anymore of the other.

Idiot.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at February 13, 2017 05:19 PM (nd1zx)

10
ut oh! Dueling nodes. Not good.

Posted by: Calm Lee in Cookamunga at February 13, 2017 05:19 PM (m/LaZ)

11 In before it's pulled due to Stompage.

Posted by: Flyboy at February 13, 2017 05:19 PM (bUjWk)

12 Why do you hate on people just because they make more money than you?
/s

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at February 13, 2017 05:19 PM (FqgrG)

13 D-R-I-N-K-M-O-R-E-O-V-A-L-T-I-N-E

Posted by: Adriane the Conspiracy Critic ... at February 13, 2017 05:20 PM (AoK0a)

14 It isn't often I get willowed by TWO threads.

Posted by: Name Changed To Protect The Innocent at February 13, 2017 05:20 PM (RoYIs)

15 Yes, well said.

Posted by: huerfano at February 13, 2017 05:20 PM (jkkMG)

16 Bill Kristol at AEI: "Replace the White Working Class"

And the White Voting Class.

Posted by: Democrats at February 13, 2017 05:20 PM (oVJmc)

17 Great lede.

Governing well is the best revenge.

Trump is redefining the R party to be bigger and more inclusive, and less Country Club. So it'll have Deplorables and even minority Deplorables. Who would have thought it'd be a NYC billionaire to do it.

The likes of Kristol should know that they've relegated themselves to the dustbin of history

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 13, 2017 05:20 PM (SIY7D)

18 I watched and read this. Didn't he say IF working class whites were lazy and didn't do their jobs, they should be fired? He specified white working class because the panel he was speaking on was about a book about white working class people. I think we could all agree that lazy people whatever color not doing their whatever skilled or no skilled jobs should all be fired.

Posted by: NCKate at February 13, 2017 05:20 PM (WGymb)

19 oh, oh. stepped on the boss.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 13, 2017 05:20 PM (dnWSK)

20 Just remember, you little git, if your Daddy hadn't been famous in Republican circles, you'd be even less of a person of import than you are.

Posted by: pep at February 13, 2017 05:20 PM (LAe3v)

21 Slow down.

Posted by: We are all less kinetic at February 13, 2017 05:21 PM (cgxNI)

22 Thousands of US lives, OM. Actually at least 7 thousand lives. 2500 dead in Afghanistan, 4500 in Iraq (ballpark).

And we ain't done yet.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 13, 2017 05:21 PM (xpfRn)

23 But it's only fair we commemorate the election of President Donald Trump and Kristol's subsequent butthurt in some way.

So I propose that November 8th now be known as BillyKristolnacht

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at February 13, 2017 05:21 PM (nd1zx)

24 What kind of topsy-turvy, bizarro world do you live in where this makes sense"

Washington, DC. It's that a way (points north and east)

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at February 13, 2017 05:21 PM (MINbv)

25 As for California, let them have their pick:

Disaster relief

or

Sanctuary Cities.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at February 13, 2017 05:22 PM (kXoT0)

26 this buttwhisker needs some new shirts that fit. from nordstroms. what a hack.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 13, 2017 05:22 PM (KP5rU)

27 okay, i give...

what is a weekly standard?

i thought they were always 7 days?

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 13, 2017 05:22 PM (i8bpR)

28 So ace's new post, got posted below this one for some reason, LOL.

Posted by: Max Power at February 13, 2017 05:22 PM (QCc6B)

29 I sure hope William Kristol isn't friend of the blog.

Posted by: buzzion at February 13, 2017 05:22 PM (z/Ubi)

30 What's amazing is Kristol was THE "conservative" voice for like the one time since the Great Depression Republicans controlled both Congress and the White House.

It truly is amazing how many Republicans took their marching order from this guy.

When the smoke cleared and we get to see him no longer relevant, boy does some ugly character come out.

Posted by: Maritime at February 13, 2017 05:22 PM (TSZ0+)

31 We deplorable people will be fine after we get rid of all the dead weight in high places fucking everything up.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 13, 2017 05:22 PM (6Ll1u)

32 What that guy said. Every word. Except maybe about the tariffs. If you don't have wide open free trade, you have to have something to impede the products coming from abroad. I suppose you could just ban them, but tariffs seem preferable. If not tariffs, then what?

Nice piece, OM.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 13, 2017 05:22 PM (R+30W)

33 Good letter!
But I'd rather it were generic, not specifically addressed to BK. I am convinced he's just desperate for attention so I'd like it if he were ignored.

Posted by: National Association for the Dignity of Beavers at February 13, 2017 05:23 PM (Nox3c)

34 Bill shames his ancestors with his genocidal mania.

He and Williamson are disgusting excuses for people.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 13, 2017 05:23 PM (4YGWz)

35 Fuck that guy in particular.
And Kevin and Jonah.

They can all eat at the Bag o' Dicks Buffet.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 13, 2017 05:23 PM (S2VsH)

36 Kristol, Krauthammer, Podhoretz, Goldberg , Frum & Will are on the wrong side of history.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 13, 2017 05:24 PM (7uYFy)

37 I sure hope William Kristol isn't friend of the blog.

Posted by: buzzion at February 13, 2017 05:22 PM (z/Ubi)

He isn't. I checked.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 13, 2017 05:24 PM (ws2F6)

38 SOCK OFF!!!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 13, 2017 05:24 PM (Nox3c)

39 Kristol, Krauthammer, Podhoretz, Goldberg , Frum & Will are on the wrong side of history.
Posted by: JoeF. at February 13, 2017 05:24 PM (7uYFy)

Yeppers.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at February 13, 2017 05:24 PM (kXoT0)

40 37 I sure hope William Kristol isn't friend of the blog.

Posted by: buzzion at February 13, 2017 05:22 PM (z/Ubi)

He isn't. I checked.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 13, 2017 05:24 PM (ws2F6)

But you did threadstomp the boss.

Posted by: buzzion at February 13, 2017 05:25 PM (z/Ubi)

41 I forgot Egg McMuffin. Fuck him too.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 13, 2017 05:25 PM (S2VsH)

42 And I used to read those guys all the time. Especially Podhoretz in the NY Post and Goldberg and his Liberal Fascism.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 13, 2017 05:26 PM (7uYFy)

43 36
Kristol, Krauthammer, Podhoretz, Goldberg , Frum Will are on the wrong side of history.

Posted by: JoeF.

They've all said things I disagreed with at some point. So what? That doesn't mean all of them are useless or evil. They still say lots of intelligent things. Kristol, though, went a bridge too far.

In any case, disband the circular firing squad. We have other fish to fry.

Posted by: pep at February 13, 2017 05:26 PM (LAe3v)

44 But you did threadstomp the boss.
Posted by: buzzion at February 13, 2017 05:25 PM (z/Ubi)

I did? Crap, let me check.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 13, 2017 05:26 PM (ws2F6)

45 1. open borders
2. comprehensive, multilateral trade agreements
3. a large military footprint overseas

Now, you may not want to admit this, but I think it's pretty obvious that all of these policies have been abject failures.

#1 and #2 are treasonous and retarded but #3 has certainly not been a failure. Quite the contrary. The failure has been in keeping a big footprint but refusing to actually squash any of the vermin under that foot, or launching into insane apologies and importing 500,000 of them here if we do.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 13, 2017 05:27 PM (zc3Db)

46 Can we give up this "job re-training" fantasy, wherein former coal miners and steelworkers can take a few classes and become computer programmers?

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 13, 2017 05:27 PM (rft/I)

47 And it's been instructive to see how you and the rest of the #NeverTump
crowd are all weeping and wailing and digging in your heels, even now,
even after most of the decisions Trump has made so far have been
conservative.
==================================

It's his constant whining that really annoys the heck out of me. I'm a grandma. I know whining when I hear it, and I hear it a lot. From Him.

Then he tops it off with a giant helping of condescending snarl. It's the whining and the snarling. Sometimes I want to crawl right through Twitter and give him a swift kick. Nothing but a spoiled baby who didn't get his way and is now determined to make everyone around him miserable.

I don't know how his family can stand him. He's insufferable.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 13, 2017 05:27 PM (dFi94)

48 29 >> I sure hope William Kristol isn't friend of the blog.

Posted by: buzzion

Dead people aren't supposed to be this funny.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 13, 2017 05:27 PM (xpfRn)

49 I saw Kristol on some MSNBC Morning Joe program that someone linked here. It was after the election. Good Lord he was so excised that it appeared he was on the verge of tears. Seriously, red faced and voice quivering.

Posted by: Tami at February 13, 2017 05:28 PM (Enq6K)

50 Trump is redefining the R party to be bigger and more inclusive, and less Country Club. So it'll have Deplorables and even minority Deplorables. Who would have thought it'd be a NYC billionaire to do it.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 13, 2017 05:20 PM (SIY7D)

I must say that I, for one, am not surprised. Anyone who can successfully navigate the Byzantine maze that is to be navigated just to start a building project in NYC, let alone come in time after time--early and under budget speaks to his ability to build a ~~bigger~~ YUGE tent.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at February 13, 2017 05:28 PM (kXoT0)

51 Need one of these open letters for Glenn Beck as well.

Posted by: other joe_mama at February 13, 2017 05:28 PM (u2pWr)

52 I wonder if Kristol has ever stuck his finger in a dyke? If so, we could use him right now out here in CA.

Posted by: wth at February 13, 2017 05:28 PM (HgMAr)

53 43---I didn't say any of them were evil. Far from it.
They are just wrong and haven been proven wrong, some of them--Kristol, Williamson--have turned their fire on VOTERS.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 13, 2017 05:28 PM (7uYFy)

54 Bill Kristol is irrelevant.

Posted by: Karmic Justice at February 13, 2017 05:29 PM (SvyK5)

55 44
But you did threadstomp the boss.
Posted by: buzzion at February 13, 2017 05:25 PM (z/Ubi)

I did? Crap, let me check.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 13, 2017 05:26 PM (ws2F6)

Seems only fair OM...

Posted by: Tami at February 13, 2017 05:29 PM (Enq6K)

56 Plus, he can blow me.

Posted by: TexasJew at February 13, 2017 05:30 PM (7LFd6)

57 Kristol is too insecure to admit he's wrong, so he attacks those who upended his power, i.e., Trump voters.

Posted by: Afroman at February 13, 2017 05:30 PM (NCDn0)

58 "I must say that I, for one, am not surprised."

It also helps that there's a lot of Caddyshack Al Czervik in Trump

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 13, 2017 05:30 PM (SIY7D)

59 51 >> Need one of these open letters for Glenn Beck as well.

Posted by: other joe_mama

Nah. Open vein, maybe.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 13, 2017 05:30 PM (xpfRn)

60
Time for the horde to rally 'round the cobs and work two threads at the same time. Otherwise the cobs get the, well, I don't know what the cobs get, but we need to hang together on this or we all hang separately.

Support your local cobs. work the threads, both of them.

Type faster, don't read. Just type

Posted by: Friend Lee at February 13, 2017 05:30 PM (m/LaZ)

61 Krystol meth is an asshole.

I don't know what to think about the Flynn thing.

That Lizzie MacDonald on FBN is strangely, stealthily, hot in a nerdy, librarian sort of way. This disturbs me for some reason.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 13, 2017 05:31 PM (8iiMU)

62 Kristol is too insecure to admit he's wrong, so he attacks those who upended his power, i.e., Trump voters.

Posted by: Afroman at February 13, 2017 05:30 PM (NCDn0)
==============

Exactly.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 13, 2017 05:31 PM (dFi94)

63 Oregon Muse, all growed up and stomping ace.
Awesome.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at February 13, 2017 05:31 PM (Om16U)

64 Oh and Mona Charen; add her to the list. She went after Trump mercilessly before the election and pretty much accused him of anti-Semitism because he made a speech and mentioned "international bankers' or something.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 13, 2017 05:31 PM (7uYFy)

65 61
Time for the horde to rally 'round the cobs and work two threads at the same time. Otherwise the cobs get the, well, I don't know what the cobs get, but we need to hang together on this or we all hang separately.

Support your local cobs. work the threads, both of them.

Type faster, don't read. Just type
Posted by: Friend Lee at February 13, 2017 05:30 PM (m/LaZ)

Screw that dude. I'm kissing up to the boss.

Posted by: buzzion at February 13, 2017 05:31 PM (z/Ubi)

66 Just argue against the guy (which you did). All this "shut up and go away" is nonsense though.

What would you say to someone who said "shut up and go away"? I would simply say no.

Posted by: chris not rock at February 13, 2017 05:32 PM (1RGWN)

67 I think the real purpose of the Iraq invasion, setting up a functional democracy as opposed to dealing with our favorite strongman of the week, was laudable, but ultimately it's a 30-50 year project, and even if you're willing to invest in that, you have to account for the possibility of fuck-ups like Obama. So, in the end, it's just no feasible.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 13, 2017 05:32 PM (rft/I)

68 I think Donald Trump is a tool.

I personally can't stand him and everything he's done. That is everything prior to being President. He has exceeded all expectations and I can only pray he stays on this path. I'll be happy sing his praises even if he's not personally my cup of tea.

Now he is the good kind of tool that's needed for this job. I've always thought Kristol was a tool and can't stand him and he's done nothing to change that.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 13, 2017 05:32 PM (1rEgY)

69 Can we give up this "job re-training" fantasy, wherein former coal miners and steelworkers can take a few classes and become computer programmers?
Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 13, 2017 05:27 PM (rft/I)

The company from which I retired hired 100 veterans to train to become computer programmers, only 9 made it through the training, and only 2 made it through one year as a Junior Programmer. That's not to say we shouldn't try everything before importing H1B visas by the thousands for IT jobs. We had a guy who was an electrician who had blown out both his shoulders pulling wire, he retrained and became a damn good programmer.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at February 13, 2017 05:32 PM (kXoT0)

70 This is well-written, but misses the key point -
Kristol knows all of this. He advocates for what is group for his
ethnic group's interest, as all non-Whites do. And no, they don't
consider themselves White (go read the Forward), but will claim to be
when it's useful.

Posted by: RabbiHighComma at February 13, 2017 05:30 PM (vTrwW)
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Er, whut?

Posted by: grammie winger at February 13, 2017 05:33 PM (dFi94)

71 Like a fat kid on the play ground.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 13, 2017 05:33 PM (kTF2Z)

72 I don;t want to assign this to Kristol if he didn;t write it, but one of the big NeoCons was writing a piece about a decade ago how AWFUL it was the US was making the new Iraqi government bear some of the costs of reconstruction with their oil royalties.

That we were looking like an Imperialist power and the American government should bear 100% the reconstruction costs to show the world that's not who we are.

Posted by: Maritime at February 13, 2017 05:34 PM (TSZ0+)

73 Rather than try to shift it, Trump has simply done away with the Overton Window, much as Palpatine did away with the Galactic Senate. It's...impressive. Most impressive.

Posted by: BetaPhi at February 13, 2017 05:34 PM (11v76)

74 Re: the Flynn thing

If it's against the law for an incoming national security advisor to discuss American foreign policy with a foreign government a few weeks or even days before he takes office, then that law is stupid.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 13, 2017 05:34 PM (rft/I)

75 Ditto !

Yes, exactly. This exactly x1000 !

Posted by: Mordineus at February 13, 2017 05:35 PM (u4xKN)

76 I think the real purpose of the Iraq invasion, setting up a functional democracy as opposed to dealing with our favorite strongman of the week, was laudable,

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 13, 2017 05:32 PM (rft/I)

That was not the purpose of the Iraq invasion. The purpose of the Iraq invasion was to get rid of that hussein. In that it was amazingly successful and done in a few days. The silliness of the "democracy for arab savages" stuff was brought in, ad-hoc, later. That had nothing to do with the reason for the invasion.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 13, 2017 05:35 PM (zc3Db)

77 71
This is well-written, but misses the key point -

Kristol knows all of this. He advocates for what is group for his

ethnic group's interest, as all non-Whites do. And no, they don't

consider themselves White (go read the Forward), but will claim to be

when it's useful.

Posted by: RabbiHighComma at February 13, 2017 05:30 PM (vTrwW)
==========================

Er, whut?

I thought everyone knew that all Joos identify as POCs.

Posted by: pep at February 13, 2017 05:35 PM (LAe3v)

78 Nice letter, a little verbose but, hit the main points with enthusiasm My only real critisism is the lack of reference to eating a bag of dicks.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 13, 2017 05:36 PM (6LwXe)

79 I forgot Egg McMuffin. Fuck him too.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 13, 2017 05:25 PM (S2VsH)

I'm still not convinced I didn't dream that whole thing. "Grrr, grawr, the primary ended long ago, but here's a guy who you've never heard of who can lead us to a dignified defeat" is about as delusional as "Trump has already been inaugurated, but if I write an angry witty message on this posterboard from Michael's and walk around with it while yelling, suddenly he will cease to become president and everyone will apparently be OK with this".

Posted by: hogmartin at February 13, 2017 05:36 PM (8nWyX)

80 60. Sigh......here we go......

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at February 13, 2017 05:36 PM (29AfG)

81 If it's against the law for an incoming national
security advisor to discuss American foreign policy with a foreign
government a few weeks or even days before he takes office, then that
law is stupid.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones

Could be, but that doesn't mean you get to just ignore the law.

Posted by: pep at February 13, 2017 05:37 PM (LAe3v)

82 Holy crap, I *did* stomp the boss. Now what do I do?

I wonder if he knows yet I stomped him?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 13, 2017 05:37 PM (ws2F6)

83 It also helps that there's a lot of Caddyshack Al Czervik in Trump
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 13, 2017 05:30 PM (SIY7D)

Well, to me he is more the Rodney Dangerfield as Thornton Wellon character in "Back To School" who turns everything upside down.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at February 13, 2017 05:37 PM (kXoT0)

84 Balderdash, Ace.

~~Rome~~America has always needed new ~~slaves~~ workers from the outside to prosper.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 13, 2017 05:37 PM (TJx8f)

85 I think the real purpose of the Iraq invasion, setting up a functional democracy as opposed to dealing with our favorite strongman of the week, was laudable,

I agree, as was the removal of a terrorist supporting, terrorist harboring monster, as was the answer to more than a decade of violating a cease fire agreement.

The problem is it would have taken too long, even with a remotely competent president following Bush, and the American people are too stupid, ignorant, and lacking will and love of liberty to put up with the effort that long.

It could have worked, in ten or so years from now. It would have been a hard struggle with may setbacks. But we'll never know.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 13, 2017 05:38 PM (39g3+)

86 83
Holy crap, I *did* stomp the boss. Now what do I do?

I wonder if he knows yet I stomped him?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 13, 2017 05:37 PM (ws2F6)

How would you like to earn $14 dollars the hard way?

Posted by: what ace is going to ask at February 13, 2017 05:38 PM (8iiMU)

87 Oops. Should've been addressed to OregonMuse.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 13, 2017 05:39 PM (TJx8f)

88 A thing of beauty, OM!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 13, 2017 05:39 PM (UDXti)

89 Posted by: pep at February 13, 2017 05:37 PM (LAe3v)

Agree but if it makes a difference to me if the discussion was in generalities or specifics. That info that the conversations were monitored by the intelligence agency were leaked to the press seems to be a bigger issue for me.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 13, 2017 05:39 PM (1rEgY)

90 83
Holy crap, I *did* stomp the boss. Now what do I do?

I wonder if he knows yet I stomped him?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 13, 2017 05:37 PM (ws2F6)

I wouldn't worry. He's probably STILL trying to hang a shelf or has fallen asleep.
Remain calm. REMAIN CALM!

Posted by: Tami at February 13, 2017 05:39 PM (Enq6K)

91 Screw that dude. I'm kissing up to the boss.

Posted by: buzzion at February 13, 2017 05:31 PM (z/Ubi)

Besides OM runs the book thread, so...

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 13, 2017 05:39 PM (UDXti)

92 Funny how he singles out White people.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 13, 2017 05:40 PM (4ErVI)

93 >>This is well-written, but misses the key point -
Kristol knows all of this. He advocates for what is group for his
ethnic group's interest, as all non-Whites do. And no, they don't
consider themselves White (go read the Forward), but will claim to be
when it's useful.

So Kristol is against Trump because he looks to be a great friend of Israel, is that what you're saying? Cause that seems kind of stupid.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 13, 2017 05:40 PM (/tuJf)

94 83
Holy crap, I *did* stomp the boss. Now what do I do?

==

blame Russian hackers

Posted by: @votermom @vm at February 13, 2017 05:40 PM (Om16U)

95 Posted by: RabbiHighComma at February 13, 2017 05:30 PM (vTrwW)

Hey, when you get around to it, kindly don't tell me how I fucking view myself and others.

xoxo,
hogmartin

Posted by: hogmartin at February 13, 2017 05:40 PM (8nWyX)

96 Go look at LI, NYTreporter ( unnamed for now) calls Melania 'a hooker' at a party.

Posted by: Skip at February 13, 2017 05:40 PM (Frvrc)

97 Funny how he singles out White people.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 13, 2017 05:40 PM (4ErVI)

Well, it is all the rage these days, with rage being the key emotion.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at February 13, 2017 05:41 PM (kXoT0)

98 Yeah, you white people...

Posted by: Afroman at February 13, 2017 05:41 PM (NCDn0)

99 83 Holy crap, I *did* stomp the boss. Now what do I do?

I wonder if he knows yet I stomped him?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 13, 2017 05:37 PM (ws2F6)

++++

He might never find out. Ace isn't the most dedicated reader of his blog.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 13, 2017 05:41 PM (R+30W)

100 The most insulting aspect of Kristol is that he speaks like a man who knows full well that either ways things go his situation is secure.

Posted by: Deborah at February 13, 2017 05:42 PM (mDnHy)

101 Well said, OM!

Kristol is Stuck.On.Stupid.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 13, 2017 05:42 PM (NOIQH)

102 83 >> Holy crap, I *did* stomp the boss. Now what do I do?

Call him Meathead. That's what he's gonna do to you.

Do it first.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 13, 2017 05:43 PM (xpfRn)

103 The Weekly Standard and National Review once engaged in a fierce 7-hour debate over whether bellybutton lint found while naval-gazing ought to be considered prophetic.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 13, 2017 05:43 PM (AmMfi)

104 How dare you. Mr. Kristol represents everything that is true and just in this nation.

Posted by: Ed Morrissey at February 13, 2017 05:43 PM (/f1mm)

105 This pompous, indolent, arrogant jelly-belly, who happily justifies sending American industrial jobs overseas, has the gall to sneer at the desperation and supposed laziness of the people he has helped to make jobless.

I don't think simply going away is going to cut it. You just know he's not going to retire from public life of his own volition, anyway. At this point he can best serve the nation by being made an example.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 13, 2017 05:43 PM (ztBLK)

106 As stomps go this is one for the record books since the first comment from the stomped thread is.

"1
Ace, you got stomped by one of the Cobs."

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 13, 2017 05:43 PM (Mxs5H)

107 Posted by: RabbiHighComma at February 13, 2017 05:30 PM (vTrwW)

I couldn't understand that post except that it sounded rather anti semetic.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 13, 2017 05:44 PM (fDdVG)

108 As to that video: so, so arrogant and smug.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 13, 2017 05:44 PM (NOIQH)

109 It could have worked, in ten or so years from now. It would have been a hard struggle with may setbacks. But we'll never know.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 13, 2017 05:38 PM (39g3+)

It could never have worked because the fickle American public would have voted in a treacherous Democrat as President and given the Dems a working majority in the Congress, and rather than allow any Republican based foreign policy success, they'd have sabotaged it.
See the results of both historical Viet Nam and modern day ISIS for more information on the progressive technique.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 13, 2017 05:44 PM (UDXti)

110 Some people call for ending the "circular" firing squad. As a holdout NeverTrumper, Kristol isn't on the inside. He's out, and the Republican Party would only discredit itself to keep him around. Discredit and disavow. Make it clear that networks who put Kristol on as a GOP rep are trying to misrepresent the agenda. Tie his oligarchy worship to the Democrats and let them both sink.

Posted by: trev006 at February 13, 2017 05:44 PM (OgdSR)

111 Oooh, a drop kick to his intellectual nads, if he has any. Good one.

Posted by: BignJames at February 13, 2017 05:45 PM (x9c8r)

112 This is OT, but I have a question--for real--that's bugging me. Isn't issuing a death threat a crime? Have any leftist scum been charged for threatening to kill anybody who disagrees with them. (A recent for instance is Joy Villa.)
Threatening to kill people shouldn't be regarded as a game. People need to know there will be serious consequences if they pull that garbage.

Back to the thread.

Posted by: Northernlurker at February 13, 2017 05:45 PM (hJrjt)

113 Except for the number of lives lost in Iraq and Afganistan which really jumped out at me, and I think it was Gnu Breed who already mentioned it, extremely well done.
You can have a cookie.

Posted by: teej at February 13, 2017 05:45 PM (v6Osy)

114 Holy crap, I *did* stomp the boss. Now what do I do?

Hit him over the head with something until he passes out so that he can get some sleep? ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 13, 2017 05:46 PM (fDdVG)

115 About the only use this guy has for the white working class is to fill the ranks of the combat arms to fight his eternal wars. He ain't sending any of his kith and kin to come home in a wheelchair or a box.

Posted by: Darth Cobalt Shiva, Sith Lord at February 13, 2017 05:46 PM (iLR0P)

116 It seems counterintuitive but military generals sometime forget about command structure when they become civies.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 13, 2017 05:46 PM (1rEgY)

117 I've never seen you around here, Mr. Muse. Are you a member of the club?

Posted by: William Kristol at February 13, 2017 05:46 PM (Whlww)

118 Ace thanks for the insightful, interesting critique of William Kristol and his fellow travelers.

I can only add this : Fuck Bill Kristol.

Thanks again for the intellectual umbrella that leads us to higher level thinking.

Posted by: 'Cold Civil War'. That seems apt. at February 13, 2017 05:47 PM (oBuXO)

119 Took a little to get all that in but agree exactly OM.

Posted by: Skip at February 13, 2017 05:47 PM (Frvrc)

120 The two worst lies to come out of the George W. Bush years:

"Islam is a religion of peace."
"Doing the jobs Americans won't do."

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 13, 2017 05:48 PM (AmMfi)

121 Isn't issuing a death threat a crime? Have any leftist scum been charged for threatening to kill anybody who disagrees with them. (A recent for instance is Joy Villa.)

Sort of a self-answering question, isn't it? I bet it would work differently if it was addressed to Reggie, don't you?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 13, 2017 05:48 PM (/f1mm)

122 108
I couldn't understand that post except that it sounded rather anti semetic.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 13, 2017 05:44 PM (fDdVG)
---------------------------
Just a little.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 13, 2017 05:48 PM (Nox3c)

123 I think the real purpose of the Iraq invasion, setting up a functional democracy as opposed to dealing with our favorite strongman of the week, was laudable,

Eh.

I'm sure someone convinced Bush that this was the alternative to going after the whole muslim-faith hammer and tong.

And looked to post-war Japan and Germany as the model, but-

In order to change Japan and Germany into functional democracies, it required us to -

go hammer and tongs after the prevailing ideology.

Thus, we see the perfect closure of stupidity involved in this whole project.

Without destroying islam, it could never work and in destroying islam, we would be involved in a several generations long world-wide project just so we would be attacked by jihadis.

Far better to go over and break things and kill people with the simple message "Don't make us come back."
until they understand jihad ain't the way to go.
.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 13, 2017 05:48 PM (vZ9Fw)

124 121 The two worst lies to come out of the George W. Bush years:

"Islam is a religion of peace."
"Doing the jobs Americans won't do."

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 13, 2017 05:48 PM (AmMfi)

"Diversity is our strength."

He probably wasn't the first one to say it, but I remember him saying it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 13, 2017 05:49 PM (4ErVI)

125 Holy crap, I *did* stomp the boss. Now what do I do?

Give him a box of drywall anchors and run away while he's distracted.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 13, 2017 05:49 PM (/f1mm)

126 Ugh.

That is-

wouldn't be attacked by jihadis

Posted by: naturalfake at February 13, 2017 05:49 PM (vZ9Fw)

127 Peurto Rico: TSA employees arrested for cocaine smuggling op.
Unbelievable.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 13, 2017 05:50 PM (6LwXe)

128 After reading all the comments I have to go see how many other threads I missed.

Posted by: Skip at February 13, 2017 05:51 PM (Frvrc)

129 Posted by: RoyalOil at February 13, 2017 05:48 PM (AmMfi)

Jobs Americans won't do. Whether he should have said it or not ( not) , it is the hard truth.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 13, 2017 05:51 PM (1rEgY)

130 >>Peurto Rico: TSA employees arrested for cocaine smuggling op.
Unbelievable

This word. I do not think it means what you think.

Posted by: garrett at February 13, 2017 05:51 PM (oXKWd)

131 >>Thus, we see the perfect closure of stupidity involved in this whole project.

The perfect closure of stupidity was Obama pulling all the troops out before Iraq was able to stand on it's own.

I don't know why people chose to forget we actually won that war and the counter insurgency and helped Iraq set up a functioning, democratic government but they do all the time. We will never know what could have been because Obama intentionally sabotaged the process.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 13, 2017 05:52 PM (/tuJf)

132
There are many "conservative opinion makers" whose time has passed and now need to be ignored -- Kristol is just one.
Poppin' Fresh at Tepid Gas, O'Reilly, Pat Buchanan and innumerable others.

Let me be blunt -- Baby Boomers need to get off the political stage as candidates and throw their support behind principled candidates from GenX. Yeah, yeah, GenX and all that, but so what?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at February 13, 2017 05:52 PM (v1g1+)

133
Condescending self-righteous nevertrumper? Has anyone seen redbanzai and Bill kristol in the same room?

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 13, 2017 05:52 PM (8w5dC)

134 53 Kristol, Williamson--have turned their fire on VOTERS.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 13, 2017 05:28 PM (7uYFy)
-------------------------

Which was HRC's strategy. Which is not a recipe for success.

I hope that whole WS NRO cottage industry of cruises and seminars and book publishing goes out to pasture sooner than later. Who cares what those losers think?

Posted by: Boots at February 13, 2017 05:52 PM (EBwPV)

135 The two worst lies to come out of the George W. Bush years

Yeah, I do love and respect W, but he was a globalist and his perspective was skewed heavily by that attitude. I used to read people warning about the Bush family's "new world order" attitude, and I thought they were being paranoid trilateral commission nutjobs, but now I understand what they were talking about.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 13, 2017 05:52 PM (39g3+)

136 PS - why don't you guys and Rick Wilson go down to the all you can eat dick buffet and get your fill?

Posted by: blaster at February 13, 2017 05:52 PM (HV1LS)

137 Isn't it time for another Weekly Standard cruise of only rich white Bill Wynn's? How hard do you think it is to find that many gay cabin boys at one time? Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 13, 2017 05:52 PM (6Ll1u)

138 Can we give up this "job re-training" fantasy,
wherein former coal miners and steelworkers can take a few classes and
become computer programmers?

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 13, 2017 05:27 PM (rft/I)

Always work in a call center, making a few bucks calling people who don't want your call. I have a cousin who is a lumber Jack, to get him into an office would never, never work! Just him and his pickup, logging truck and chainsaw...and a few other tools.

Posted by: Colin at February 13, 2017 05:53 PM (Bdvir)

139 This is bad. Very, very bad. OM's post is beating the pants off of Ace's post commentwise.

My advice to you, OM: run and hide. Run.....And......Hide.

Posted by: pep at February 13, 2017 05:54 PM (LAe3v)

140 If it's against the law for an incoming national
security advisor to discuss American foreign policy with a foreign
government a few weeks or even days before he takes office, then that
law is stupid.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones

Could be, but that doesn't mean you get to just ignore the law.
Posted by: pep

The law in question is the Logan Act, signed into law by President John Adams in 1799. No one has ever been prosecuted under it. I would suggest the law has serious constitutional issues regarding free speech as well as its vagueness and overbreadth

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 13, 2017 05:54 PM (rft/I)

141 >> I have a cousin who is a lumber Jack,

He slleps all night and he works all day.

Posted by: garrett at February 13, 2017 05:54 PM (oXKWd)

142
Jobs Americans won't do. Whether he should have said it or not ( not) , it is the hard truth.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 13, 2017 05:51 PM (1rEgY)

You mean like electricians,plumbers,carpenters,painters,masons and truck drivers?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 13, 2017 05:54 PM (lKyWE)

143 Kristol cares for him and his, like so many oligarchs out there. Well, I care for me and mine. And me and mine aren't doing nearly as well.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at February 13, 2017 05:54 PM (FQKBL)

144 Did you honestly think this would happen? If you did, you're delusional. It's clear your Trump-hatred has truly driven you bonkers. Because the only possible outcome to your ill-conceived #NeverTrump campaign would be that Trump would be weakened significantly enough so that Hillary Clinton would be elected president.
And this all in the name of "conservative" values
=====

I hope someone is taking notes.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 13, 2017 05:54 PM (8w5dC)

145 Ace is still awake?

Posted by: garrett at February 13, 2017 05:54 PM (oXKWd)

146 Holy crap, I *did* stomp the boss. Now what do I do?
I wonder if he knows yet I stomped him?

Posted by: Oregon Muse, deplorable since 1004 at February 13, 2017 05:37 PM

Well, it's not like he hasn't done it to you.

Get one of those optical illusion patterns, 4" or so in diameter, chuck it up in his FIXA, and hyponitize him.

"you're getting sleepy ... very sleepy ..."

While he's under, you might tell him that Playboy is bringing back nude photos, so he'll have to cancel his subscription.

Posted by: Van Arachnid at February 13, 2017 05:55 PM (DMUuz)

147 134
Condescending self-righteous nevertrumper? Has anyone seen redbanzai and Bill kristol in the same room?
Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 13, 2017 05:52 PM (8w5dC)

Knock it off.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 13, 2017 05:55 PM (6xUyT)

148 Bravo!

Posted by: Travis Bickle at February 13, 2017 05:55 PM (JQQ1+)

149 3. a large military footprint overseas

aka Nation-Building, a funny euphemism for the mass transfer of wealth to third world shiteholes and tax indenture of the middle class children and grandchildren.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 13, 2017 05:55 PM (P/kVC)

150 I used to read people warning about the Bush family's "new world order" attitude, and I thought they were being paranoid trilateral commission nutjobs, but now I understand what they were talking about.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

_______

I'm in that camp as well.

Looking back, how stupid was it that grassroots conservatives so quickly embraced the ultimate RINO's scion all because he had a fake Texas accent.

Posted by: Maritime at February 13, 2017 05:56 PM (TSZ0+)

151 Biggest bed wetter: Frum or Kristol?

Posted by: RI (refugee) Red at February 13, 2017 05:56 PM (r95Gl)

152 Huh. Ace done got stomped.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 13, 2017 05:56 PM (PY9jH)

153 I was going to post "In before the circular firing squad", but I see I am too late for that.

Posted by: Flyboy at February 13, 2017 05:56 PM (bUjWk)

154 I would suggest the law has serious constitutional issues regarding free speech as well as its vagueness and overbreadth

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 13, 2017 05:54 PM (rft/I)

There are no free speech rights outside of American territory.

And just because no one has ever been prosecuted under it doesn't mean that they shouldn't have been. Nazi Pelousi and her gang should have been perp walked after their trip to Syria. THen they should have been slapped silly for claiming that the chinless assad was "a real reformer".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 13, 2017 05:57 PM (zc3Db)

155 Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 13, 2017 05:54 PM (lKyWE)

I mean like processing chicken, picking vegetables, washing dishes and cleaning up various shit.

And if we are talking about today's youth, they don't want to learn those skilled blue collar jobs.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 13, 2017 05:57 PM (1rEgY)

156 Beel Kreestol is calling for the genocide of white people. End of story.

Great job giving the White Nationalist and White Supremacists movements plenty of ammo.

It's almost as if he is dividing the country on purpose.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 13, 2017 05:57 PM (LiqBV)

157 I've found myself becoming more of a Dove in regard to military policy. I definitely support a stronger military, but only for self-defense. No more Iraq Wars. The price in blood and treasure is too high.

Posted by: Mike at February 13, 2017 05:57 PM (c056A)

158 Score
156 -OM
42 Ace

Posted by: Skip at February 13, 2017 05:58 PM (Frvrc)

159 This is bad. Very, very bad. OM's post is beating the pants off of Ace's post commentwise.

--

Ya, boy howdie. And I'm not even all that interested in Krystal, The Weekly Standard, or the open letter.

But this dueling threads is a hoot!.

excuse me, I gotta go pump up the other thread.

Posted by: Coincedentally at February 13, 2017 05:58 PM (m/LaZ)

160 >>And if we are talking about today's youth, they don't want to learn those skilled blue collar jobs.

The ones who want to be successful will.

Posted by: garrett at February 13, 2017 05:58 PM (oXKWd)

161 Geez, don't you posters have a Schedule of Coming Attractions site where you snarl at each other about who posts when and squabble over who gets what subject to post on?

Or is that feature in Minx 0.7 twoweeks

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 13, 2017 05:58 PM (FtrY1)

162 Well stated.

Here's the thing. I was all in on the neocon view of nation building because who doesn't want liberty and freedom and democracy whisky sexy?

I was wrong.

The world proved me wrong.

So you know what I did? I looked at what I thought and saw it didn't work and I *changed my mind*. Because facts are stubborn things and all the wishcasting won't change the fact that the nations we tried to rebuild didn't want that and I'm done sending people to die for those who don't care about the sacrifice.

When theory doesn't work, you change the theory. That's how grown ups are supposed to act. This stuff? This is just pathetic twattery.

Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at February 13, 2017 05:59 PM (dEQP3)

163 108 Posted by: RabbiHighComma at February 13, 2017 05:30 PM (vTrwW)

I couldn't understand that post except that it sounded rather anti semetic.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 13, 2017 05:44 PM (fDdVG)

same here. A troll trying to contaminate the blog, perhaps?

If tolerated, then can "they" can say that ace is a N*** like Bannon?

Posted by: Golfman at February 13, 2017 05:59 PM (48QDY)

164 I waz born a poor, black child.

Posted by: Billy Bob Kristol at February 13, 2017 05:59 PM (Tyii7)

165 142 >> I have a cousin who is a lumber Jack,

He slleps all night and he works all day.
Posted by: garrett at February 13, 2017 05:54 PM (oXKWd)

Does he put on women's clothing and hang around in bars?

Posted by: Northernlurker at February 13, 2017 05:59 PM (hJrjt)

166 133
There are many "conservative opinion makers" whose time has passed and now need to be ignored -- Kristol is just one.
Poppin' Fresh at Tepid Gas, O'Reilly, Pat Buchanan and innumerable others.

Let me be blunt -- Baby Boomers need to get off the political stage as candidates and throw their support behind principled candidates from GenX. Yeah, yeah, GenX and all that, but so what?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at February 13, 2017 05:52 PM (v1g1+)

++++

What's wrong with Buchanan? He's been pro Trump for quite awhile. Has a good piece up now on his blog.

Trump Must Break Judicial Power
Whether the rollout of the president's temporary travel ban was ill-prepared or not, and whether one agrees or not about which nations or people should be subjected to extreme vetting, the president's authority in the matter of protecting the borders and keeping out those he sees as potentially dangerous is universally conceded.

That a district judge would overrule the president of the United States on a matter of border security in wartime is absurd.

http://buchanan.org/blog/trump-must-break-judicial-power-126521

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 13, 2017 06:00 PM (R+30W)

167 I just can't ever forgive Dubya or the NeoCons for not actually addressing WHY 9/11 happened, considering basically all of the hijackers were on expired visas.

Instead, we decided to fight a multi trillion dollar war in Iraq rather than simply tightening up who we let in.

And Bush had a complete blank check to shut it all down.

Posted by: Maritime at February 13, 2017 06:00 PM (TSZ0+)

168 what is a weekly standard?

i thought they were always 7 days?

Posted by: redc1c4

Weekly Standard is what you need if you're out of TP while on the American Standard.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, at Provisional Basestar at February 13, 2017 06:00 PM (66CWr)

169 Score
156 -OM
42 Ace

You have to handicap for top-thread advantage, though.

Posted by: Vegas at February 13, 2017 06:00 PM (wpC7C)

170 Mike -the country is getting a bit tired of wars with no end or meaning.
I don't have a problem kicking ass if its needed but while it was getting better in Iraq Barak threw it all away.

Posted by: Skip at February 13, 2017 06:00 PM (Frvrc)

171 If I might add just a slight fix...

Doing the jobs Americans won't do as long as they're getting welfare, food stamps, free health care...

Hope I got those tags right

Posted by: teej at February 13, 2017 06:00 PM (v6Osy)

172 Jobs Americans won't do. Whether he should have said it or not ( not) , it is the hard truth.

No, there are no jobs Americans won't do. But there are jobs an awful lot of young Americans won't do.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 13, 2017 06:00 PM (39g3+)

173 I don't know why people chose to forget we actually
won that war and the counter insurgency and helped Iraq set up a
functioning, democratic government but they do all the time. We will
never know what could have been because Obama intentionally sabotaged
the process.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 13, 2017 05:52 PM (/tuJf)
================================

You have no idea how infuriated I am by what that man did. My kid did three tours. He lost buddies both over there and from suicide when they got home. I know Gold Star moms. I see them on Mother's Day, and Memorial Day. I better not type any more about this.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 13, 2017 06:00 PM (dFi94)

174 I never "got" little fat Billy Kristol.

Who died and made him Emperor of the North?

Like most of the so-called "elites", my left ass cheek has sweated more by 9 a.m today then Billy's little nasty body has done his whole life.

Go away and eat a nice big BOD's and take Charles "Goldbrick" Krautassyammer with ya.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 13, 2017 06:01 PM (5VlCp)

175 When theory doesn't work, you change the theory. That's how grown ups are supposed to act.

That's crazy talk, is what that is.

Posted by: Richard Feynmann at February 13, 2017 06:01 PM (LAe3v)

176 >>>It could have worked, in ten or so years from now. It would have been a hard struggle with may setbacks. But we'll never know.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 13, 2017 05:38 PM (39g3+)

I think the current state of of Islam would not have made this possible, but we'll never know.

Posted by: Max Power at February 13, 2017 06:01 PM (QCc6B)

177 "There are no free speech rights outside of American territory."

Flynn was sitting in the US, speaking on the phone. The other end of the conversation was in Russian territory.

And it was traitors at the NSA who decided to make a political attack over it.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at February 13, 2017 06:02 PM (1sDZH)

178 I agree Alex.

To that end, I hope Trump is serious about putting pressure on Europe regarding NATO.

Posted by: Mike at February 13, 2017 06:02 PM (c056A)

179 The In n Out burger by me is still staffed by local high school kids, it's a stark difference from the other fast food joints.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 13, 2017 06:02 PM (6Ll1u)

180 Great post OM!
this points out exactly why it matters about the never trumper's and they're stupid cause. You attempted to get Hillary Clinton elected president. Of course you want me to forget that of course you do.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at February 13, 2017 06:03 PM (8w5dC)

181 I'm sorry Grammie.

Posted by: Mike at February 13, 2017 06:03 PM (c056A)

182 I've found myself becoming more of a Dove in regard to military policy. I definitely support a stronger military, but only for self-defense. No more Iraq Wars. The price in blood and treasure is too high.

Posted by: Mike at February 13, 2017 05:57 PM (c056A)

Wow! Have you guys already forgotten what the situation was? Or what we got out of that war? The Iraq War happened to turn up more WMD (and more really important WMD) than anyone had even imagined. It was only because of the Iraq War that Q'Daffy was scared shitless and puked up his whole nuclear program, which included highly valuable insights into the AQ Khan network that we had no idea about - and that network was pretty much the most dangerous thing on the planet, at the time.

The Iraq War had to be done. It was one step in cleaning up the threats from the arab/persian/muslim world. The problem was that Bush stopped there and then got all bogged down in the stupid shit about trying to "save Iraq" (which didn't deserve saving). We should have just taken the place apart - as we did in a few days - and taken control of the oil fields. End of story. Then it was important to take care of the persian threat. That was half the point of Iraq. But Bush pussed out. Even as Iran was carrying out acts of war against us in Iraq Bush refused to breach anything with Iran, which was a total failure of policy and indefensible after 9/11.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 13, 2017 06:03 PM (zc3Db)

183 "What's wrong with Buchanan?"

Beyond being a Jew-hating loon? Because that's enough for me.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at February 13, 2017 06:03 PM (1sDZH)

184 What Beel Kreeestol called for and what the establishment wants is the forced displacement and destruction of White People in America. This goes against the UN genocide Convention. It is genocide and needs to be called exactly what it is no matter if Beel Kreeestol or a Bush or a Clinton or a Obama implements and agitated for such policies.

It's genocide.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 13, 2017 06:03 PM (LiqBV)

185 "Jobs Americans won't do"

for the wages offered and the working conditions.

Posted by: Economically at February 13, 2017 06:04 PM (m/LaZ)

186 >>>Looking back, how stupid was it that grassroots conservatives so quickly embraced the ultimate RINO's scion all because he had a fake Texas accent.
Posted by: Maritime at February 13, 2017 05:56 PM (TSZ0+)

After 9/11 when he stood astride the rubble with megaphone in hand, it was hard not to love the guy. "Soon they will hear from us." Man, I was whipped up into a patriotic frenzy. I was also very naive.

Posted by: Max Power at February 13, 2017 06:04 PM (QCc6B)

187 What's wrong with Buchanan? He's been pro Trump for quite awhile. Has a good piece up now on his blog.

Trump Must Break Judicial Power
Whether the rollout of the president's temporary travel ban was ill-prepared or not, and whether one agrees or not about which nations or people should be subjected to extreme vetting, the president's authority in the matter of protecting the borders and keeping out those he sees as potentially dangerous is universally conceded.

That a district judge would overrule the president of the United States on a matter of border security in wartime is absurd.

http://buchanan.org/blog/trump-must-break-judicial-power-126521

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous

________

Buchanan has been right on about everything over the last 30 years but because he's not sufficiently pro-Israel, he's been smeared an anti-semite.

I don't agree with some of his statements on israel, but what he's said over the years is pretty tame stuff.

The GOPe decided to make him radioactive because he was resonating with the America First type policies

Posted by: Maritime at February 13, 2017 06:04 PM (TSZ0+)

188 We should see if we can get Mark Levin to read Ace a Bedtime Story each night and see if it helps with his insomnia.

Posted by: garrett at February 13, 2017 06:05 PM (oXKWd)

189 >>I think the current state of of Islam would not have made this possible, but we'll never know.

The current state of Islam has been largely influenced buy the administration that held power for the last 8 years. Looking at things through the prism of how things are now is a lot different than looking at how things were then.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 13, 2017 06:05 PM (/tuJf)

190 Looking back, how stupid was it that grassroots conservatives so quickly embraced the ultimate RINO's scion all because he had a fake Texas accent.

Well the choice was between him and Gore/Kerry so that part was rock solid clear. But yeah we all should have been a bit more skeptical and critical.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 13, 2017 06:05 PM (39g3+)

191 "But there are jobs an awful lot of young Americans won't do."

At the wages offered in a market saturated with illegals.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at February 13, 2017 06:05 PM (1sDZH)

192 >>>>And if we are talking about today's youth, they don't want to learn those skilled blue collar jobs.

Yep - See Mike Rowe's Prager U video on kids today being told to follow their dreams, and pair it with Obama's and the Left's "everyone gets a college degree". Essentially telling kids they are above dirty work and jobs that involve labor, enter the job market expecting a position that takes years to achieve without the required hard work, experience and knowledge.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 13, 2017 06:05 PM (NOIQH)

193 this is pretty good. We used to believe in some of those things but they're wrong. We gtew up/

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at February 13, 2017 06:06 PM (eClek)

194 I think Bill Kristol is dismissed too lightly here and that those who do not heed his words of warning, will indeed later come to regret it!
______
1. open borders
2. comprehensive, multilateral trade agreements
3. a large military footprint overseas
______

1. Bill Kristol opposed Comprehensive Immigration Reform when Senator Rubio proposed it and I dont know where the idea comes from that he is against securing our borders. The GOP will be bombarded with deportation sob-stories for years to come, thanks to Trumps crude approach, but the question what we do about people without status who are already here and what has to be done about the border are completely different questions!

2. Trump is the only politician in America who opposes free trade. This is hardly a "Bill Kristol must go away" issue. The Speaker of the House and the vast majority of Senators and Congressmen, especially those whose district lives off export industries, are in favor of free trade.

3. In the age of Trump, everybody seems to have succumbed to his buffoonish belief that everything can be managed through "deals". But this is just the Democrats naive reliance on diplomacy in other robes. I hope the rest of the GOP is aware that America needs a strong national security party and that we cant just leave world leadership to the Russians.

Posted by: Begonia at February 13, 2017 06:06 PM (U49B7)

195 173 I don't know why people chose to forget we actually
won that war and the counter insurgency and helped Iraq set up a
functioning, democratic government but they do all the time. We will
never know what could have been because Obama intentionally sabotaged
the process.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 13, 2017 05:52 PM (/tuJf)

There was a re-election campaign to win, racist.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 13, 2017 06:06 PM (/f1mm)

196 The Iraq War had to be done.

I will never waver from this, absolutely. But we should have gone in to both Afghanistan and Iraq, just pounded the living daylights out of both, smeared the ground with the guts of our enemies even if others got hurt in the process, and walked away while the rubble was still bouncing:
"Don't make us come back."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 13, 2017 06:07 PM (39g3+)

197 Funny how he singles out White people.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 13, 2017 05:40 PM (4ErVI)
............

I may need that BEN ROTHLISBURGER guy to explain this one to me.

Posted by: wth at February 13, 2017 06:07 PM (HgMAr)

198 There are no free speech rights outside of American territory.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 13, 2017

That is neither relevant nor a correct statement of law.

Firstly, as I understand it both Gen. Flynn and the Russian ambassador were in the U.S. when they had their conversation, but the location of the conversation is irrelevant to the law. Secondly, do you think a law that outlawed criticism of the government as long as the criticism took place outside the United States would be constitutional? I can assure you, it would not be.

Do you imagine no one from the incoming Reagan administration spoke to anyone in Iran about the hostage crisis? Since the Logan Act has literally zero case history, I would argue, among other things, it would not apply in the cases of incoming administration officials.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 13, 2017 06:07 PM (rft/I)

199 Does he put on women's clothing and hang around in bars?
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 13, 2017 05:59 PM

You say that like it's a Bad Thing.

Posted by: Caitlyn at February 13, 2017 06:07 PM (DMUuz)

200 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 13, 2017 06:07 PM (39g3+)

Yep.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 13, 2017 06:07 PM (zc3Db)

201 183 "What's wrong with Buchanan?"

Beyond being a Jew-hating loon? Because that's enough for me.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at February 13, 2017 06:03 PM (1sDZH)

++++

Jew-hating loon? Got anything to back that up? He must have written or said something that demonstrates that, right? Or are you one of those "dog whistle" listeners?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 13, 2017 06:07 PM (R+30W)

202 nood illiterate nazis.

Posted by: mikeski at February 13, 2017 06:08 PM (TXZ1v)

203 Post 9/11, we had a better pretext for invading Saudi Arabia than we did Iraq.

At the time I said the occupation would be problematic (so did Brent Skowcroft channeling Bush 41 in a WSJ op-ed), Iraq would ultimately got the way of Yugoslavia and split in to three, and that we'd embolden Iran.

And I'm just an Ignoramus

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 13, 2017 06:09 PM (SIY7D)

204 Looking at that button-popping gut Kristol's sporting, I'd say there's someone else we can add to the list of Americans who don't want to work very hard. Put him in a coal mine for a few weeks, see if he can keep up.

Posted by: JuJuBee at February 13, 2017 06:09 PM (dargh)

205 I don't know why people chose to forget we actually won that war and the counter insurgency and helped Iraq set up a functioning, democratic government but they do all the time. We will never know what could have been because Obama intentionally sabotaged the process.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 13, 2017 05:52 PM (/tuJf)

Yes, we did win.

But, we also did not destroy the competing ideology i.e.. islam or it's most radical adherents.

so, we Obama pulled the plug, as the Democrats always do(see Vietnam).

Guess who came flooding back?

It's exactly the same as if we'd allowed Naziism to flourish in post-war Germany becuz "Nazi means peace" or some such silly shit.

If you're going to remake a society, then remake a society.

If not blow shit up, kill people until they understand the message, "don't make us come back" and that's good enough.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 13, 2017 06:09 PM (vZ9Fw)

206 Goodness, "Begonia", did those talking points come from Kristen or the DNC?

Is Trump against free trade? Or just against idiotic arrangements that leave trade barriers up overseas while we become every nation's dumping ground?

Posted by: Robert Crawford at February 13, 2017 06:09 PM (1sDZH)

207 "Don't make us come back."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 13, 2017 06:07 PM (39g3+)

^^^^^
THIS!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 13, 2017 06:09 PM (UDXti)

208 It infuriates me that this asshole would make such a reckless and genocidal statement. He is not dumb. He did it on purpose to agitate and divide the country.

He and his global governance fellow travellers and agitators are no better than AntiFa, feminists, and Islamists. Just as dangerous to this country.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 13, 2017 06:09 PM (LiqBV)

209
The In n Out burger by me is still staffed by local high school kids, it's a stark difference from the other fast food joints.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 13, 2017 06:02 PM (6Ll1u)

They're still family owned and christian.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 13, 2017 06:09 PM (lKyWE)

210 Damn fine work, OM.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 13, 2017 06:10 PM (0mRoj)

211 Essentially telling kids they are above dirty work and jobs that involve labor, enter the job market expecting a position that takes years to achieve without the required hard work, experience and knowledge.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 13, 2017 06:05 PM (NOIQH)

Yes, I will never forget when the late fiance's daughter announced that she was going to be a forensic psychologist, which requires at least a Doctorate. She told us this after failing College Algebra for the 2nd time. So now she has a BS in psych, mountains of college debt, and she works as a receptionist.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at February 13, 2017 06:10 PM (kXoT0)

212 Secondly, do you think a law that outlawed criticism of the government as long as the criticism took place outside the United States would be constitutional?

The US Constitution, and US law ends at the borders. The United States legal system has no jurisdiction outside the country.

Posted by: Point of Order at February 13, 2017 06:10 PM (m/LaZ)

213 Seriously, guys. Michael loved that lobster and private jet. You didn't expect us to give that up just because our plan to win the election would squander every life and dollar our nation had spent winning in Iraq, did you?

Posted by: Barry Soetero at February 13, 2017 06:10 PM (/f1mm)

214
The Iraq War had to be done. It was one step in cleaning up the threats from the arab/persian/muslim world. The problem was that Bush stopped there and then got all bogged down in the stupid shit about trying to "save Iraq" (which didn't deserve saving). We should have just taken the place apart - as we did in a few days - and taken control of the oil fields. End of story. Then it was important to take care of the persian threat. That was half the point of Iraq. But Bush pussed out. Even as Iran was carrying out acts of war against us in Iraq Bush refused to breach anything with Iran, which was a total failure of policy and indefensible after 9/11.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair

Name one thing that would have happened had we not gone adventuring in Iraq?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 13, 2017 06:10 PM (4YGWz)

215 Post 9/11, we had a better pretext for invading Saudi Arabia than we did Iraq.

At the time I said the occupation would be problematic (so did Brent Skowcroft channeling Bush 41 in a WSJ op-ed), Iraq would ultimately got the way of Yugoslavia and split in to three, and that we'd embolden Iran.

And I'm just an Ignoramus

Posted by: Ignoramus
________

+1

And not sound all Michael Moore, but boy did the Bush family really have some weird love affair with Saudi Arabia.

And then flying the Bin Ladin family out hours after it happened.

I still haven't heard a good explanation for that.

Posted by: Maritime at February 13, 2017 06:11 PM (TSZ0+)

216 "Jew-hating loon? Got anything to back that up? He must have written or said something that demonstrates that, right?"

Buckley and D'souza made the case years ago.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at February 13, 2017 06:11 PM (1sDZH)

217 Yesterday we had an black girl saying that whites were genetically defective, and today we've got a Jew saying that white people should be replaced, but we're the ones that need to watch what we say lest we be called racists. You pussies even closed down the thread, because of that fear. Why stir the pot if you don't like what's cooking?

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 13, 2017 06:13 PM (wt4bH)

218 Jew-hating loon? Got anything to back that up? He must have written or said something that demonstrates that, right?"

Buckley and D'souza made the case years ago.
Posted by: Robert Crawford

___________

Sort of like the current National Review crew today making the case Trump is an unacceptable racist and we'd be better off with Hillary.

Posted by: Maritime at February 13, 2017 06:14 PM (TSZ0+)

219 The drum I keep beating is the labor participation rate as compiled and released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). It rose continuously for over four decades and has now fallen continuously for over sixteen years.

No matter which side of the political aisle you reside it's pretty easy to picture a cart loaded with free riders in it hooked up to one donkey. Keep loading more free riders in the cart and even the biggest jack ass you can find is going to quit.

I had a 'knock down, drag 'em out' war with some lefties over the Christmas holidays. I achieved complete victory (which I define as getting them to shut the f_ck up and stop quoting the Huffington Post) by showing them the BLS chart. They accused me of making the freaking web page up (which I actually *could* do, but didn't have to).

The butt hurt the next morning was not there. I expected much, but none. Still scratching my head over that.

Posted by: E Pluribus Juan at February 13, 2017 06:15 PM (ZFUt7)

220 1. Bill Kristol opposed Comprehensive Immigration Reform when Senator Rubio proposed it and I dont know where the idea comes from that he is against securing our borders.

Uh, from the words that came out of his own mouth. "I have no problem with open borders." That was Kristol. On TV. For everyone to hear.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 13, 2017 06:15 PM (ws2F6)

221 I still haven't heard a good explanation for that.

Posted by: Maritime at February 13, 2017 06:11 PM (TSZ0+)

The "Royalty" of the New World Order understand each other at a deep fundamental level, well above the ability of the peons to comprehend!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 13, 2017 06:15 PM (UDXti)

222 "Open borders" is to "conservatives" is as "Lead from behind" is to Obama.

Both are so ass-backwards that sympathetic individuals will assume that there's something special and profound being meant, instead of it being "just mind-numbingly stupid".

Basically, it's an "Emperor's New Clothes" situation.

Posted by: Optimizer at February 13, 2017 06:23 PM (EnK/R)

223 1. open borders

Yes, we damn well should control who we allow into our country or not. But it isn't a manichean choice between "open" and "closed" borders. I have no problem importing useful people to the degree that we can assimilate them. While our ability to do is at an all time nadir thanks to the "multi-culti" diversity B.S., it does not follow that we ought to choke off all immigration.

2. comprehensive, multilateral trade agreements

Depends on the nature of the agreement. Mutual agreement to reduce tariffs, agree to standards and regulatory framework, or insure non-discrimination in applying regulations, are all not bad things when it is sovereign countries agreeing to terms and not ceding actual decision making authority to some supranational authority.

3. a large military footprint overseas

I like having military reach and presence all over the world. I like taking care of little problem before they become big problems. While I don't like "nation building" and other such utopian sillyness, I do like practical projection of force.

I've always thought that tariffs were a bad idea, but I don't care any more.

Tariffs carry the same logic to prosperity that raising the minimum wage does. Better to lower regulatory burdens and focus on saving education from the clutches of the Left. If it is not profitable to make something in the U.S. below a certain skill lever before a tariff, then it doesn't make it profitable with one.

Posted by: The Economic Hat at February 13, 2017 06:25 PM (OzJeO)

224 Lindsey Graham is looking more and more like an old lesbian.

Posted by: blaster at February 13, 2017 06:26 PM (HV1LS)

225 Lindsey Graham is looking more and more like an old lesbian.

Except lesbians like girls.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 13, 2017 06:27 PM (oVJmc)

226 Tariffs carry the same logic to prosperity that raising the minimum wage does. Better to lower regulatory burdens and focus on saving education from the clutches of the Left. If it is not profitable to make something in the U.S. below a certain skill lever before a tariff, then it doesn't make it profitable with one.

Revenue and market protection are not the intent of Trump's tariffs - they are levers to influence our trading partners.

If tariffs are 100% paid by the consumer on the other end, why is the US concerned about tariffs on our goods that are imported into other countries?

Posted by: blaster at February 13, 2017 06:28 PM (HV1LS)

227
I like having military reach and presence all
over the world. I like taking care of little problem before they become
big problems. While I don't like "nation building" and other such
utopian sillyness, I do like practical projection of force.

Posted by: The Economic Hat at February 13, 2017 06:25 PM (OzJeO)

Conservatives are blindly optimistic. I'll bet you think the war on drugs is a success as well. I'll concede to you that we don't know which clusterfuck, we got ourselves into that would have become a much larger clusterfuck if we had minded our own business, but why don't you tell us where that policy has actually been carried out as you imagine it should be? I'll go ahead and concede the first gulf war, but what of all the others?

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 13, 2017 06:40 PM (wt4bH)

228 "Sort of like the current National Review crew today making the case Trump is an unacceptable racist and we'd be better off with Hillary."

If that's what you want to believe.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at February 13, 2017 06:41 PM (1sDZH)

229 I was hoping someone would clue Bill in on this. I just couldn't bring myself to do it because we have a magazine to get out every week and any friction between us would really cause problems in the editorial office.

Posted by: Fred Barnes at February 13, 2017 06:42 PM (P5fqQ)

230 Did you catch the audio of Kristol speaking to Charles Murray. Murray was talking about America Apart, and the bubble that elites are in, not aware of the drug problems or knowing anyone who drives a pickup truck or people who got Cs and Ds in school.

Kristol is caught on tape saying, Charles if these people are so dysfunctional and lazy why not import more Americans to take their place?

Posted by: MikeN at February 13, 2017 06:44 PM (VdoJJ)

231 Conservatives are blindly optimistic. I'll bet you think the war on drugs is a success as well. I'll concede to you that we don't know which clusterfuck, we got ourselves into that would have become a much larger clusterfuck if we had minded our own business, but why don't you tell us where that policy has actually been carried out as you imagine it should be? I'll go ahead and concede the first gulf war, but what of all the others?

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 13, 2017 06:40 PM (wt4bH)

I don't think the war on drugs is being won, or that a "war on drugs" makes any more sense than a "war on poverty".

But success in being able to project force come not from large interventions, but by preventing them via either deterrence or keeping them small.

Posted by: The Economic Hat at February 13, 2017 06:45 PM (OzJeO)

232 But success in being able to project force come not
from large interventions, but by preventing them via either deterrence
or keeping them small.

Posted by: The Economic Hat at February 13, 2017 06:45 PM (OzJeO)

I asked a specific question. When have we been able to do what you envision, as opposed to becoming bogged down by politics? I even conceded the first gulf war, now you give me examples of where your policy has been successful.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 13, 2017 06:50 PM (wt4bH)

233 P.S. Get a shirt that fits, you fat fucking slob.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at February 13, 2017 06:53 PM (br2jI)

234 Beautiful.

And Kristol pretty much said that he is in favor of dissolving the people and electing another. Made up of Mexicans and Guatemalans, leavened with criminals and jihadists.

Posted by: West at February 13, 2017 06:53 PM (7hO09)

235 I asked a specific question. When have we been able to do what you envision, as opposed to becoming bogged down by politics? I even conceded the first gulf war, now you give me examples of where your policy has been successful.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 13, 2017 06:50 PM (wt4bH)

Since the policy is successful when nothing big happens, it becomes nonsensical to provide big and overt interventions as proof that big and overt interventions don't happen.

Here is an example, provided by Breitbart.com:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/p8xd7tv

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 13, 2017 06:57 PM (OzJeO)

236 Posted by: The Political Hat at February 13, 2017 06:57 PM (OzJeO)

Libya

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 13, 2017 06:59 PM (wt4bH)

237 Libya
Posted by: DFCtomm at February 13, 2017 06:59 PM (wt4bH)

This isn't an all or nothing thing.

Saying that application in some cases means we should abandon even the possibility of engagement.

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 13, 2017 07:02 PM (OzJeO)

238
Kristol was just hoping that if he could just knock a few votes off of Trump George Soros would make a generous donation to the WS.

Posted by: Ronsonic at February 13, 2017 07:09 PM (yIVBh)

239 "Beltway status quo"

Nomenklatura.

Posted by: Pst314 at February 13, 2017 07:14 PM (UiGQV)

240 o.m...you are indeed a worthy blogger....

when you have big huevos,might as well swing em.......you did good...

Posted by: rocky mattioli at February 13, 2017 07:16 PM (nkfDI)

241 TL/DR version: Mr. Kristol, your bag of dicks is ready.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 13, 2017 07:16 PM (edBdg)

242 nice take down of the Arrogant Fool, I agree and I rather enjoyed it

Posted by: Shoey at February 13, 2017 07:18 PM (OYK2S)

243 All we are saying
Is give Trump a chance
Hairy weasel
Hairy, Hairy
Scalp weasel

Posted by: andycanuck at February 13, 2017 07:18 PM (nlbfN)

244 Saying that application in some cases means we should abandon even the possibility of engagement.

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 13, 2017 07:02 PM (OzJeO)

I never said that, this is you saying I said that. What I am saying that if something mostly ends in failure, then maybe that shouldn't be a plank of your party.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 13, 2017 07:21 PM (wt4bH)

245 Nicely done, OM. But you were much too polite to Kristol and you gave him too much benefit of the doubt. He ran with Egg McMuffin knowing any material showing (which he tried to foster) would result in the "[incredibly, unbelievably, arguably treasonous and hopelessly] corrupt socialist Hillary winning the general. He was fine with that and, with the comfort of his French white wine and soft leather chair, he could pen his bullshit articles from the "conservative" National Review which, as you note, do nothing to change anything.

As such, I would have suggested you edit your "just shut up and go away" theme thusly: "Just shut up and go away. And fuck you with a pineapple. Sideways. Repeatedly. And 10 times for good measure you arrogant shirt lifting Julie boy, a boil on the ass of humanity in light of your efforts to get Hillary elected and have Soros dictate all matters American. You are the lowest of the low and may a pox visit your dishonest house twice daily until it tires of your whining and then may a substitute pox take its place. You are an asshole and if I see you I will let those around know what a little piece of shit you proved yourself to be. Fuck you bigly and eleventy!l!1. Asshole."

Or something like that.

Posted by: oddnot enjoying #winning still with schadenboner to prove it at February 13, 2017 07:23 PM (g1MTt)

246 I never said that, this is you saying I said that.
What I am saying that if something mostly ends in failure, then maybe
that shouldn't be a plank of your party.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 13, 2017 07:21 PM (wt4bH)

And that means that those who advocate that it should, need to walk the plank. Which brings us right back to OregonMuse's accusation that you disagreed with.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 13, 2017 07:25 PM (wt4bH)

247 I don't think it's fair to say Krystal is for open borders.

Posted by: rexbatt at February 13, 2017 07:26 PM (dS8cF)

248
And Kristol pretty much said that he is in favor
of dissolving the people and electing another. Made up of Mexicans and
Guatemalans, leavened with criminals and jihadists.

Posted by: West at February 13, 2017 06:53 PM (7hO09)

He of course remains in his lofty position, and now tells the Mexicans and Guatemalans what to think.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 13, 2017 07:27 PM (wt4bH)

249 Gee that was fun to read.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at February 13, 2017 07:29 PM (kHQnA)

250 Kristol is not good for the Jews.

Advocating population replacement ... geez.

Serious contravention of rule #1:
Do.not.annoy.the.goys.

Posted by: Wontsubmit at February 13, 2017 07:33 PM (zj+JZ)

251 The dipshit just needs to be given a white kimono, a wakizashi, and a few minutes to compose a poem.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at February 13, 2017 07:35 PM (rznWS)

252 Wild applause.

Seppuku would be on tap if Kristol were filled with blood rather than shit. He, Krauthammer, Will and the rest of the malignant bastards need to disappear into a cave where the echo effect is always present. No one cares to repeat anything they have to say any longer unless it is completely unhinged like Kristol's latest. Neoconservatism is irrelevant and its adherents even less important.

Go. Away.

More wild applause.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 13, 2017 07:38 PM (aEy21)

253 Feel the Trump

Posted by: Skip at February 13, 2017 07:38 PM (Frvrc)

254 "203 Post 9/11, we had a better pretext for invading Saudi Arabia than we did Iraq. "

I'm stupid, too, and raised the same question. The likes of Kristol made sure we were marginalized, so it is delicious to see his cabal discredited, castrated and ignored.

We got the same brutal response when we asked why the borders were open for terrorists to cross while we were "fighting them over there."

Ditto assassinating Gaddahfi and turning Libya into an Islamic shithole.

And funding al-Qaeda and ISIS-related terrorists in Syria.

And on an on.

The CIA, DIA, State, and most intelligence agencies still need mass firings over what was done.

I forgave most people, but wouldn't be the least opposed to some good public executions of key people from the last two Administrations. I'll have to be satisfied with driving these monsters into the darkness, though.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 13, 2017 08:15 PM (aEy21)

255 Kristol was all-in for McCain when he was running. Both Kristol & McCain are batshit crazy. Trump has to run against Democrats, Republicans, the media - only mainstream conservatives truly want to drain the swamp.
Note to Republican elected officials: pass a law that says Congress shall pass no law that they exempt themselves from and you will be an instant big hit.

Posted by: JudyNM at February 13, 2017 08:19 PM (WXNMw)

256 "255 Kristol was all-in for McCain when he was running. Both Kristol & McCain are batshit crazy"

When it got down to nut-cutting time I voted for McCain. It likely was the worst vote I've ever cast and even after all the destruction Obama wrought I can't say things wouldn't have been worse if he lost. The irony is we know Kristol didn't vote for Trump and it's almost certain McCain didn't.

Anyhow, fuck 'em. Every single one of them are human stains.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 13, 2017 08:30 PM (aEy21)

257 I watched and read this. Didn't he say IF working class whites were lazy and didn't do their jobs, they should be fired? He specified white working class because the panel he was speaking on was about a book about white working class people. I think we could all agree that lazy people whatever color not doing their whatever skilled or no skilled jobs should all be fired.
Posted by: NCKate at February 13, 2017 05:20 PM (WGymb)

No, he basically said to import more people to replace them (ie elect a new people).

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at February 13, 2017 08:35 PM (J70i0)

258 Of course he wants a large military presence overseas.

He never served a day in our armed forces and doesn't know what sacrifice is.

Posted by: Weebs at February 13, 2017 08:39 PM (kGLRx)

259 Charlie Sykes, the ex-RadioMouth NeoCon of Milwaukee's WTMJ, has also gone daft. A never-Trumper, he refuses to admit that anything Trump does has any merit at all, and snipes away at Trump from his new home: MSLSD.

Posted by: dad29 at February 13, 2017 09:05 PM (7Kti7)

260 Nice diatribe, but you forgot the part where Trump might yet make a mistake beyond forgiving, and therefore he must be undermined and reined in against the coming of that unhappy day. For the good of the nation, of course.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at February 14, 2017 12:28 AM (o7l6R)

261 OM, you've just hit another line drive WAY over the cheap seats, and you made it look easy.

Posted by: Cowboyneal at February 14, 2017 01:03 AM (NSG6X)

262 There's a reason ppl throughout history have learned to hate Jews.

Neo-conservatism, a political philosophy created and promoted by Jews, is an excellent example.

Posted by: The Hot Gates at February 14, 2017 07:50 AM (k3uSs)

263

Among other things, a passing of the Middle East's bloodiest baton from Hussein Sr to one of his wretched sons, neither of whom were particularly likely to embrace an peaceful transfer of power or leave Iraq's violence within its own borders, much less start behaving in a remotely civilized and orderly manner.

It boggles the mind to see much of the blame for the Damascene upheaval aimed at the Iraq invasion: first, as though Assad's regime wasn't a major contributing factor to Anbar's instability and Syria's own shambolic state; second, as though Obama's 'hands off' policy (which was never hands off anyway) prevented further outrages and didn't damage American credibility with people actually calling the shots in the Arab world and elsewhere; and last, as though Uday's or Qusay's response to an "Arab spring" would have been decorous and timely.

Posted by: zing at February 14, 2017 11:03 AM (8Ng2W)

264 214: Name one thing that would have happened had we not gone adventuring in Iraq?

Among other things, a passing of the Middle East's bloodiest baton from Hussein Sr to one of his wretched sons, neither of whom were particularly likely to embrace an peaceful transfer of power or leave Iraq's violence within its own borders, much less start behaving in a remotely civilized and orderly manner.

It boggles the mind to see much of the blame for the Damascene upheaval aimed at the Iraq invasion: first, as though Assad's regime wasn't a major contributing factor to Anbar's instability and Syria's own shambolic state; second, as though Obama's 'hands off' policy (which was never hands off anyway) prevented further outrages and didn't damage American credibility with people actually calling the shots in the Arab world and elsewhere; and last, as though Uday's or Qusay's response to an "Arab spring" would have been decorous and timely.

Posted by: zing at February 14, 2017 11:04 AM (8Ng2W)

265 How bout that McMuffin character? He turned out to be quite a loon, didnt he?

I knew about a week into his campaign when he was slurpin' up John McCains used douche juice, that he was a fraud, but i had no idea he was this level of utter tool box.

Kristol, Frum, Brooks, et al, are everything that is wrong with politics. Phony elitists claiming to represent an ideology that secretly hate while playing useful idiot for the pearl clutchers in the media.

Its time to retire the "old guard". Their arrogance and the lefts enjoyment of having pets will probably keep that from happening as long as adult diapers are still on the market.

SAD!

Posted by: alec j at February 14, 2017 12:44 PM (fcNDr)

266 Serious question - why do you assume that Kristol:

1. Is actually a "conservative"
2. Identifies with you or America
3. Is being honest in how he portrays himself
4. Is being honest about his motives

"By their fruits, ye shall know them."

Posted by: Some Guy in WA at February 15, 2017 01:07 PM (/ZaEZ)

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