Saturday Gardening Thread: Corn in Winter [KT]

Happy Saturday to the Horde! Feeling better than you did on Thursday? The last day of Obama's presidency was National Popcorn Day. Don't know how I missed it.

If you made a trail of popcorn from Los Angeles to New York (though why would you do that?), you would need more than 352,028,160 popped kernels.

Popcorn came up in the comments here at the Saturday Gardening Thread several times last year. Particularly Glass Gem Popcorn, the kind in the photo above. Anybody popped some home-grown popcorn? How did you get it off the cob?

Have you ever grown Strawberry Popcorn? I think it looks great. Any reports on the quality of popcorn it makes?

If you are going for a hull-less variety with great kernel quality, here are some recipes from the Popcorn Board. Kale-Lime? I don't think so. Cookies-n-Cream? Maybe.

Would you like to try Popping Sorghum?

We can also shop for seeds for sweet corn in January. Not that we can plant it near popcorn. Anything new in the catalogs? GMO corn is not much of a factor in home gardening, but the photo below is one reason GMO corn exists. We have nothing against organic gardening here at the Saturday Gardening Thread. But pests happen. You might want to consider this a reminder to order some Bt. It's organic. This strain of bacteria only works on caterpillars. There's a related type that works on mosquito larvae.

Photo is from Powerline's Week in Pictures, not the Regular Saturday Edition. Some additional corn can be found there. Not the kind you plant. Heh.

OK, this story is from TMZ, but there's a short video with a good example of a floral protest gone wrong. A thousand yellow dahlias, the National Flower of Mexico. I like dahlias. There are better ways to give dahlias to someone. Remember that you can order seeds for some whimsical dahlias, and other seeds, through the AoSHQ Amazon Store.

Gardens of The Horde

I found a way to post the rest of Kindltot's wild lily photos last week. Check'em out.

Anything going on in your yard or garden, or on your windowsill? Found anything interesting in those catalogs?

Here, it has been raining off and on all week. The government is back to releasing lots and lots of precious water to flow to the oceans. Building bullet trains in low-population areas takes precedence over reservoirs. Where I come from, rain is a good thing. Hope we can hold on to some of it.

Have a great week.

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1 First unlike Hillary!

Posted by: andycanuck at January 21, 2017 12:24 PM (lJXY3)

2 trail of popcorn
coohoo
trail of popcorn

Posted by: harry reid's parrot at January 21, 2017 12:26 PM (lJXY3)

3 I've grown strawberry popcorn. It pops fine. It should be very dry so it's easy to get it off the cob. I have some of Carol Deppe's corn to try. She has developed her own varieties for polenta and cornmeal. She also has garbanzo beans to pop.

All I need is a place to garden.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 21, 2017 12:27 PM (Lqy/e)

4 looks like jelly beans.

Posted by: BignJames at January 21, 2017 12:27 PM (x9c8r)

5 Hi, Andy!

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 12:27 PM (qahv/)

6 Morning all.

Just butter and salt.

Now get off my lawn.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 21, 2017 12:27 PM (4b0RA)

7 I want a smallpox blanket with my corn.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 21, 2017 12:28 PM (salu2)

8 LOL.

When the squirrels didn't get it, that was exactly the same kind of organic, non-gmo, pesticide free corn that I grew.

Also... OMG. What kind of wizardry is that multi-colored corn?

Posted by: shibumi, who requires a cute kitty story stat! at January 21, 2017 12:28 PM (J5mC3)

9 My people call it maize.

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at January 21, 2017 12:29 PM (7qAYi)

10 After discovering Costco's house brand popcorn I quit looking. Delicious, and the ingredients say: popcorn, palm oil, salt, natural flavor, ascorbic acid to preserve freshness.

Mmm.

Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at January 21, 2017 12:29 PM (Halhc)

11 Have you ever grown Strawberry Popcorn? I think it looks great.

It looks like a naked pomegranate.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 21, 2017 12:30 PM (zc3Db)

12 The glass gem corn is pretty. I grew the strawberry corn one year but less than half of it would pop, so I just grow the Indian corn now.

I finished shelling the last of my corn last week and I figure I harvested a full five quarts of corn.
I grind it for corn meal and I have enough to get me through the winter I suspect.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 21, 2017 12:31 PM (8nSP1)

13 I love that 'Johnny Crap Corn' song!

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 21, 2017 12:31 PM (bc2Lc)

14 For those who are purists, here's a very easy popcorn recipe I've been using for years:

http://tinyurl.com/pmaadb3

Posted by: shibumi, who requires a cute kitty story stat! at January 21, 2017 12:32 PM (J5mC3)

15 Hi, KT!

Posted by: andycanuck at January 21, 2017 12:32 PM (lJXY3)

16 Notsothoreau at January 21, 2017 12:27 PM

Thanks for the info. I have heard of parched garbanzo beans, but not popped garbanzo beans. Directions available?

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 12:32 PM (qahv/)

17 So do the kernels of the multicolored corn pop white, or in colors?

Posted by: josephistan at January 21, 2017 12:33 PM (7qAYi)

18 Dahlias???

There was a man from Western Australia

Who painted his arse like a dahlia.

The colors were fine,

Likewise the design,

The aroma, alas, was a failure.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 21, 2017 12:33 PM (lJXY3)

19 That glass gem corn is pretty.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 21, 2017 12:34 PM (Jen0I)

20 My people call it maize.
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at January 21, 2017 12:29 PM (7qAYi)

In Mexico the term for an ear of corn is "elote" which comes from the Nahuatl word for ear of corn.
In Colombia the term is "choclo" which comes from the Quechua word for ear of corn.

In English, of course, we use re-purposed English words for the various parts of corn, most of the words come from grain and legume cultivation.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 21, 2017 12:35 PM (8nSP1)

21 Kindltot at January 21, 2017 12:31 PM

How do you shell your corn?

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 12:35 PM (qahv/)

22 water... water... please... [cough, cough] some... water...

Posted by: a parched garbanzo bean at January 21, 2017 12:36 PM (lJXY3)

23 Weren't the injuns the ones that started growing tobacco?

Posted by: Weasel at January 21, 2017 12:38 PM (Sfs6o)

24 I actually ate some popcorn last night, after the inauguration. First time in about 10 years. Popped on the stove, with oil, then buttered and salted.

I have avoided corn for many years because it gives me migraines. I probably won't eat any more for quite a while. Lucked out this time. No headache!

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 12:39 PM (qahv/)

25 Gotta go for a little while. I'll be back.

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 12:40 PM (qahv/)

26 I've been making PopSecret - Original in the microwave. I can cram a surprising amount of popcorn in my mouth at one time. I mean, really pack it in there.

Posted by: Weasel at January 21, 2017 12:41 PM (Sfs6o)

27 looks like jelly beans
Yeah, especially those small ones made by a company in Ireland.

Oddly enough, they have a popcorn flavour one but it doesn't mix well with any of the fruit, coffee, etc. flavour majority ones so I always pick them out. Unfortunately, they've got several other flavours that are almost the same shade of off-white so sometimes I get a (slightly) unpleasant surprise when popping a bunch of the white ones expecting marshmallow or the like and getting a butter taste instead.

Posted by: a parched garbanzo bean at January 21, 2017 12:42 PM (lJXY3)

28 I'd recommend The Resilient Gardner. She talks about how she developed the seed and how to use it. I'm not sure how much difference there is between parched and popped. She is a trained biologist and developed her corn breeds when she learned she is gluten intolerant. She's a bit of a lefty but her books are interesting reading. She has a book out on developing your own seeds. Nichols and Sustainable Seeds carry her seeds and she also sells them in the spring on her website.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 21, 2017 12:42 PM (Lqy/e)

29 I have sort of a "maybe too early but what the heck" question - two years ago, we planted our usual tomatoes and peppers and cucumbers in our raised beds out back. Tomatoes and peppers got some kind of fungus, withered away and did absolutely nothing. Next year, tried the same thing, husband turned some black kow into the dirt (he thinks that's the answer for everything) and had the same result. I'm dyin' to get my garden back on line - any ideas what I can do/add/fix between now and planting time?

Posted by: antisocialist at January 21, 2017 12:43 PM (W2wn0)

30 The 99 and 44/100's of us now on the Pre-Diabetic Spectrum may be dismayed to hear that popcorn has a glycemic spike that will nail your heart to the inside of your chest cavity. It's a never-never! food, not a healthy snack.

I have successfully grown the dwarf blue popcorn, let it dry on the cob until it flicks off with a thumbnail, and popped it in oil in the traditional manner. A teensy bit of the blue hull color remains, but it's not vivid blue. It tends to be a little hully, but then real popcorn is. Looks great in the field, old-school.

What I learned was that anyone under 40 thinks popcorn comes in a microwave bag, and is mystically confused by this pan and oil business.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 21, 2017 12:43 PM (H5rtT)

31 I always thought Chinese popcorn cannons were neat. Heat the kernels up in a pressure-tight vessel, then open it and it all pops at once.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMLer1eU3pM

Posted by: hogmartin at January 21, 2017 12:43 PM (8nWyX)

32 How do you shell your corn?
Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 12:35 PM (qahv/)

One day I will buy a cast iron sheller, or get a piece of PVC pipe with short screws screwed into it that will shell for me, but right now I let it dry over a line or a beam by tying two ears together by the shucks, and then wringing them off by my hands. Some of the ears shell lovely, others you have to use a thumbnail to pry off a line of kernels before you can get purchase to wring them off.
A friend advocates using the butt of another cob to shell them off "like the native women do" but I find that to be slow.

It was easier years ago when I was splitting a lot of wood and hammering nails and working with tools. This year I peeled the skin off my right hand and thumb before I noticed it because I work with a keyboard now and have no calluses.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 21, 2017 12:43 PM (8nSP1)

33 Whoever posted this Nerd Anthem Video some weeks back? Thank You!

Donnie Iris, Ah Leah...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH5Arbm47IQ

P.S.: Popcorn is The Ultimate Food.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Keeper of Cerberus), (Cold1), (T) at January 21, 2017 12:43 PM (6gk0M)

34 #27 Darn, I thought I took that sock off first.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 21, 2017 12:43 PM (lJXY3)

35 Glass gem popcorn, wow. Looks like every flavor of jelly belly beans glued to a corn cob.

Posted by: JuJuBee at January 21, 2017 12:45 PM (dargh)

36 No bleached corn?

Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2017 12:45 PM (PPu+l)

37 Weren't the injuns the ones that started growing tobacco?

Posted by: Weasel at January 21, 2017 12:38 PM (Sfs6o)

Yeah ... it's funny how the lefties never say "boo" (or talk about any law suits) about Indians in their anti-tobacco diatribes. If you listened to lefties you would think that Europeans brought tobacco to the New World. Of course, if you listened to lefties you would think that Europeans opened up the African slave trade routes and forced the totally peaceful muslims to participate.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 21, 2017 12:46 PM (zc3Db)

38 National pudding month just started.

Posted by: Roy at January 21, 2017 12:46 PM (fWLrt)

39 30 I bought my husband an actual popcorn machine, like the ones at the movie theater but much smaller, about 5 years ago for Christmas. Best investment I have ever, ever made. We use the crap out of it, only use the microwave stuff when he buys it from the Boy Scouts. It's a pain in the rear to clean, but otherwise, I'm totally sold on it.

Posted by: antisocialist at January 21, 2017 12:46 PM (W2wn0)

40 Caroldeppe.com is the website.

I probably had good luck with growing popcorn because I was gardening in CA at the time. Really easy to dry things in the desert!

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 21, 2017 12:46 PM (Lqy/e)

41 "National pudding month just started."
-Posted by: Roy at January 21, 2017 12:46 PM (fWLrt)

Again?

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Keeper of Cerberus), (Cold1), (T) at January 21, 2017 12:48 PM (6gk0M)

42 I bought my husband an actual popcorn machine, like the ones at the movie theater but much smaller, about 5 years ago for Christmas.
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That's a great gift. Does he say "Do I smell popcorn?" after he passes gas now?

Posted by: Roy at January 21, 2017 12:48 PM (fWLrt)

43 Alcohol and smallpox vs chocolate, potatoes, tomatoes, corn, tobacco, sugar.

It was a damned close-run thing, Kemo Sabe. Maybe not over yet.

They are still quibbling over which way syphilis went.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 21, 2017 12:48 PM (H5rtT)

44 Oddly enough, they have a popcorn flavour one but it doesn't mix well with any of the fruit, coffee, etc. flavour majority ones so I always pick them out. Unfortunately, they've got several other flavours that are almost the same shade of off-white so sometimes I get a (slightly) unpleasant surprise when popping a bunch of the white ones expecting marshmallow or the like and getting a butter taste instead.

Posted by: a parched garbanzo bean at January 21, 2017 12:42 PM (lJXY3)

Try your luck with Beanboozled.

Bought them for the kids...they actually had a lot of fun with them.

I got through most of them.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 21, 2017 12:50 PM (4b0RA)

45 Here's a video that David the Good linked to, on growing coffee:

https://youtu.be/HCx6FEvjIng

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 21, 2017 12:51 PM (Lqy/e)

46 Our Glass Gem turned out... okay. The tassels appeared long before the silks, so I had to store the pollen for about a week. After brushing on the pollen, I paper-bagged the silks, but it was too late -- the ears had plenty of yellow kernels along with some odd colors and many shades of blue.

I feel bad for possibly ruining the neighbors' crops, as obviously some foreign pollen drifted to mine.

(I was careful to time plantings of my own sweetcorn so there wouldn't be cross pollination between gardens, and placed the popcorn at the opposite corner of our property.)

The ears dried nicely, but now I can't find them, so can't say whether it's any good or easy to remove kernels.... I think hubby might have pitched them out. *sigh*

Oh, well. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Will be leaving popcorn to the pro's from now on, and not ruining retirees' food sources with my silly curiosities.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at January 21, 2017 12:52 PM (044Fx)

47 Antisocialist, an undertaker(!) in Holland Ohio has a popcorn machine museum that is fun as hell. By appointment only, I think, but they do open.
Lots of history connections there, terrific mechanical movements, but the shocker for me is that he has to have somebody custom-raise old fashioned popcorn to use in those earliest automated poppers. Since WWII, market popcorn has tripled in size and won't go through the screens!

http://antiquepopcornmuseum.com/

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 21, 2017 12:55 PM (H5rtT)

48 What I learned was that anyone under 40 thinks popcorn comes in a microwave bag, and is mystically confused by this pan and oil business.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 21, 2017 12:43 PM (H5rtT)

Even some over 40 at this point. I brought a jar of popcorn to our big family Thanksgiving weekend, and my SIL looked at me like I'd grown another head.

I used to have a microwave popcorn popper too and thought that worked pretty well. Those things are just bowls with air vents in the lids anyway.

Posted by: stace at January 21, 2017 12:55 PM (ozZau)

49 KT, Thanks for another excellent gardening thread. Love those photos of popcorn.

The temps have been rather mild here in northern Virginia but not much sun. It is, however, good reading and planning weather. he big point of discussion this week, now that the inauguration is over, will be whether to concentrate on improving the existing garden bed and containers or put in another in-ground bed. suspect it will be to put the effort and expense into the existing plots and gradually work on the new one for the future. But the planning is fun.

Posted by: JTB at January 21, 2017 12:56 PM (V+03K)

50 Not in the garden but of the garden: we had a beautiful red headed woodpecker at the suet feeder this morning. It's the first one we've ever seen in our yard and it was stunning.

Posted by: JTB at January 21, 2017 12:59 PM (V+03K)

51 Notsothoreau, the purpose of parching or parboiling the corn is to
change the starch in the kernel. I think the term is "polymerize" but I
am not enough of a chemist to tell.
I looked it up, the starch inside is the "endosperm" and the outer shell is called the "seed coat"

The difference is that normal corn won't explode and turn inside out.

What I do is put a cup or so in a dry cast iron pan, put it
on the burner and shake it from time to time to get all the corn against
the bottom of the pan, and when it starts swelling start shaking it a
lot, and when it starts making cracking noises, and starts showing
scorch marks on the kernels, I pull it off and put it in a bowl to cool
down before grinding.

If you overcook the kernels your meal won't soften or cook well and will stay gritty.

There are a lot of people who don't parch their corn before grinding, but I find it grinds faster that way and smells sooooooo much better.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 21, 2017 12:59 PM (8nSP1)

52 Holy shit, I've listened to every iteration of that tune and it just keeps getting better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFBt6QTgcPY

Also, Love is Like a Rock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcbndNeCO-s

70's, 80's and early 90's. All The Hits can be found here at Slapweasel Radio!

My Garden is non-viable at the moment.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Keeper of Cerberus), (Cold1), (T) at January 21, 2017 12:59 PM (6gk0M)

53 My wife always makes fun of me because I throw a popcorn kernel in the oiled pan when I'm cooking to give me an easy indication of when it's hot enough to start cooking the actual food.

Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at January 21, 2017 12:59 PM (Halhc)

54 What I learned was that anyone under 40 thinks popcorn comes in a microwave bag, and is mystically confused by this pan and oil business.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 21, 2017 12:43 PM (H5rtT)

A few years ago I was without a microwave, and discovered that they still make Jiffy Pop.

Posted by: hogmartin at January 21, 2017 12:59 PM (8nWyX)

55 Stringer Davis, thanks! Sounds like something I'd like!

Posted by: antisocialist at January 21, 2017 01:00 PM (W2wn0)

56 A mini hot dog roller / bun steamer is another good gift idea, btw.

Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at January 21, 2017 01:02 PM (Halhc)

57 54 Yes, they do still make Jiffy Pop! They keep it on the very top shelf of my local grocery store, and I'm sure the only people who buy it are campers and old-timers like me.

Posted by: antisocialist at January 21, 2017 01:02 PM (W2wn0)

58 53 My wife always makes fun of me because I throw a popcorn kernel in the oiled pan when I'm cooking to give me an easy indication of when it's hot enough to start cooking the actual food.
Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at January 21, 2017 12:59 PM (Halhc)
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My wife makes fun of me for no good reason at all!

Posted by: Weasel at January 21, 2017 01:02 PM (Sfs6o)

59 A few years ago I was without a microwave, and discovered that they still make Jiffy Pop.
Posted by: hogmartin at January 21, 2017 12:59 PM (8nWyX)

Yes! I bought some a few years ago just to show my kid. That was the ONLY way we had popcorn when I was growing up. It would always mesmerize us.

Posted by: stace at January 21, 2017 01:03 PM (ozZau)

60 Didn't It Rain ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR2gR6SZC2M

Sister Rosetta Tharpe ...

Posted by: Adriane the Music to Garden By Critic ... at January 21, 2017 01:05 PM (AoK0a)

61 I never cared for Jiffy Pop. We had better results using a popping basket in the fireplace. Besides, when you are a kid, open flames are more entertaining than an electric stove. :-)

Posted by: JTB at January 21, 2017 01:05 PM (V+03K)

62 If you grow cilantro, allow it to "go to seed" before harvesting. Grind the seeds and you'll have coriander.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Keeper of Cerberus), (Cold1), (T) at January 21, 2017 01:08 PM (6gk0M)

63 Have a great week.

You're not the boss of me.

Posted by: an ornery commenter at January 21, 2017 01:08 PM (wpC7C)

64 It is a "less-offensive" version of cilantro, which my palette will not allow me to enjoy.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Keeper of Cerberus), (Cold1), (T) at January 21, 2017 01:09 PM (6gk0M)

65 In the '70's my family had a popper w/ no on/off. Plug it & it heated up. Had to watch it or it caught fire. Secret was using bacon grease. Good times!

Posted by: Popcorn Pinto Madness at January 21, 2017 01:10 PM (bc2Lc)

66 Always made popcorn 'the hard way' when we were kids. (JiffyPop was too expensive)

Would make 3 or 4 batches on the stove top, pour it all into a big roaster for the butter/salt addition, then cover it and shake, shake, shake!!

Mom kept the kernels in freezer, said they pop more reliably after freezing.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at January 21, 2017 01:12 PM (044Fx)

67 They tell me the Indians popped the corn on a hot flat rock. Despite the home country being just down the road (the vicinity of Upper Sandusky, Ohio, is the center of the popcorn universe, and was before the White Man), and being exposed to all sorts of wilderness scouting experiences, I've never seen it done. Seems like you'd have to chase it a lot. Catch them in mid-air?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 21, 2017 01:13 PM (H5rtT)

68 @51,
Carol Deppe talks about parching corn. In fact she talks about different colors of corn and which colors are the tastiest. I haven't tried parching corn but it sounds like a handy skill

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 21, 2017 01:13 PM (Lqy/e)

69 65 Yeah, we had one of those, too. Dang thing got HOT, too. I brushed up against it when I unplugged it once, and still have the scar from the burn it gave me. Made the best popcorn, though. Nothing fancy, but good stuff.

Posted by: antisocialist at January 21, 2017 01:14 PM (W2wn0)

70 Since the snow melted it has been warm and wet here in Eastern Carolina. I am temped to try to put some of my seedlings out early and see if they make it.

Posted by: Big V at January 21, 2017 01:15 PM (+4gNC)

71 A yuuuge, luxurious and classy Gardening Thread. Thanks, KT.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at January 21, 2017 01:15 PM (qv16M)

72 And I remember spending the night at my dad's parents' house - Sunday nights, Grandma would pop a huge metal bowl of popcorn, everybody would get a little bowl, some salt (no butter), and we'd sit down and watch Wonderful World of Disney and Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom. ***sigh*** Stuff was so much simpler back then...

Posted by: antisocialist at January 21, 2017 01:17 PM (W2wn0)

73 In an unusual moment of weakness, when I was about 12 years old my father let us get one of the hot oil popcorn makers and on its maiden voyage we were popping corn with it set up on the floor in the tv room. I knocked it over and the oil melted a hole in the carpet. Dad was not amused.

Thanks for bringing up popcorn and that terrible memory.

Posted by: Weasel at January 21, 2017 01:17 PM (Sfs6o)

74 In the '70's my family had a popper w/ no on/off. Plug it & it heated up. Had to watch it or it caught fire. Secret was using bacon grease. Good times!
Posted by: Popcorn Pinto Madness at January 21, 2017 01:10 PM (bc2Lc)

In the '80s we had an air popper with a butter dish on the lid. The popcorn was great, but whenever you poured the butter over it, it would basically dissolve. How do you butter popcorn without it going from light and fluffy to melted snowman?

Posted by: hogmartin at January 21, 2017 01:17 PM (8nWyX)

75 Donald J. Trump has now been POTUS for over 24 hours and my schadenboner still hasn't subsided.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 21, 2017 01:17 PM (0mRoj)

76 70 Big V, Where in Eastern Carolina? I'm near Morehead City - I wouldn't do it if I were you, only takes a shift one direction or the other and the weather here changes from wet and balmy to icy and wintry.

Posted by: antisocialist at January 21, 2017 01:19 PM (W2wn0)

77 shibumi, who requires a cute kitty story stat! at January 21, 2017 12:32 PM

Thanks for the recipe.

Don't want to interlope into Pet Thread territory with a cute kitty story.

Let us know if it is a true emergency, though.

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 01:20 PM (qahv/)

78 My brother used to have a Jiffy Pop before the third period of a Flyers game. 40 years later he still might.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at January 21, 2017 01:21 PM (qv16M)

79 Woo, hoo! The pet thread!

Whut?

Posted by: Barky O'Bamma, Private Fucking Citizen at January 21, 2017 01:21 PM (80HyY)

80 How do you butter popcorn without it going from light and fluffy to melted snowman?

Fine drizzle, don't dump it all in one spot.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at January 21, 2017 01:22 PM (044Fx)

81 I don't eat popcorn. I like the flavor, especially with butter and salt, but I always ALWAYS get bits of hull stuck in the back of my throat, which just drives me batty. So, no popcorn for me.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 21, 2017 01:27 PM (0mRoj)

82 Hang a Jiffy Pop Popcorn over each doorway in your home.
Instant redneck smoke/fire alarm.

Afternoon all. Checking in. No. Schadenboner has not diminished.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2017 01:29 PM (xkaSw)

83 I use a wok to pop popcorn. It works well. And it limits the amount I make, which is a good thing.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 21, 2017 01:31 PM (Lqy/e)

84 I seldom eat popcorn -- cracked a tooth on a kernel once, and OMG!-- but I chew it more slowly now.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at January 21, 2017 01:32 PM (044Fx)

85 Get your boogie on.

Posted by: Korn at January 21, 2017 01:33 PM (rH4JY)

86 antisocialist at January 21, 2017 12:43 PM

You may have a soil-borne fungus. Try rotating your veggies to a different spot and planting something in the grass family. Like corn.

If you could identify the fungus, you might be able to grow resistant varieties of your veggies.

Solarization is another possibility. Double layer of clear plastic over the soil during the hottest part of summer. Kills most fungi in the top few inches of soil. Good luck.

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 01:34 PM (qahv/)

87 53 My wife always makes fun of me because I throw a popcorn kernel in the oiled pan
Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later

3 kernels here

Posted by: concrete girl at January 21, 2017 01:35 PM (+TaNe)

88 Antisocialist, are you talking about powdery grey mold that gets on the leaves?

That may need either more sun or more wind, or find varieties that are resistant.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 21, 2017 01:35 PM (8nSP1)

89 Insomnia c, Jelly Belly makes popcorn flavored jelly beans

Posted by: Jean at January 21, 2017 01:38 PM (VF5NY)

90 Popping sorghum is kind of like tiny popcorn. Might be better for some people who have trouble with hulls, etc.

Plus, it won't cross-pollinate with your sweet corn.

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 01:39 PM (qahv/)

91 my favorite are the just-barely-popped kernels

Posted by: concrete girl at January 21, 2017 01:41 PM (+TaNe)

92 80

Fine drizzle, don't dump it all in one spot.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at January 21, 2017 01:22 PM (044Fx)

My family had the same type of air popper and the butter tray on top would allow the melted butter to dribble onto the popcorn through little holes. We didn't think much of the popper and switched back to the pot (ampersand) stove method--which I still use to this day. I use the unpopped kernels from the previous batch to test the oil temperature. Also, I find the Jiffy Pop kernels to be far too small and prefer the Walmart "Great Value" brand.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at January 21, 2017 01:41 PM (jV8Mq)

93 Thanks, y'all...I was thinking it might be something in the soil, would the county extension office be able to test my soil for that? I've never had this kind of problem, usually we just put some poop out, turn it under, plant the stuff and off it goes...

Posted by: antisocialist at January 21, 2017 01:41 PM (W2wn0)

94 It blows my mind that in this modern era that there isn't a popcorn popper that doesn't either have to deal with oil residue or just totally sucks.

I bought the latter... an air popper. Damn thing doesn't have an off switch and it's basically a hair dryer on steroids. In a day where your car keys are high tech they still haven't gotten down the science of popping corn to the consumer level

Posted by: Former mass resident at January 21, 2017 01:43 PM (hOfX7)

95 my favorite are the just-barely-popped kernels

And the burnt ones!

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at January 21, 2017 01:44 PM (qv16M)

96 That Popcorn Board site is interesting. I see they say to spray the popped popcorn lightly with cooking spray to get seasonings to stick. I'm too dumb to think of that.

That Jelly Belly--looking popcorn is gorgeous.
My brother used to farm, and he grew a beautiful maroon and white (Texas A&M colors) sweet corn that was very tasty. Boiling it would make the color run, so it was better to steam, grill or microwave it.

Posted by: stace at January 21, 2017 01:44 PM (ozZau)

97 Slapweasel, (Keeper of Cerberus), (Cold1), (T) at January 21, 2017 01:09 PM

I agree. Coriander is a less offensive from of cilantro. Make some Vietnamese Jerky with coriander once. Turned out pretty well.

We must both have the anti-cilantro gene. I generally substitute a little Giant Italian Parsley.

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 01:45 PM (qahv/)

98 So far wintr in the mid eastern coast has been mild to say the least. Maybe a early spring...

Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2017 01:46 PM (yx0Ld)

99 . Tomatoes and peppers got some kind of fungus

Happened to me a number of years. Local gardening supply guy said it's spores in the soil that splash up and a fungus grows that kills the plant from the bottom up. He sold me some kind of copper? spray for the plants and suggested mulch so the spores don't kick up. Or rotate your crops, which I can't do. I started too late so it didn't work last year so I'm sure I'll be dealing with it again in the spring. If anyone has other solutions I'd be much obliged.

Posted by: dartist at January 21, 2017 01:46 PM (Cf0i2)

100 Copper spray can help with mold and fungus. Keeping leaves pruned up a bit so that they aren't near the ground also helps air get to the soil and keeps moisture from stagnating there.

Once tomato plants get e.g. septoria, though, there's not much you can do. Treating the soil with copper spray before planting is probably the first thing I'd try.

Posted by: hogmartin at January 21, 2017 01:47 PM (8nWyX)

101 "If you made a trail of popcorn from Los Angeles to New York (though why would you do that?), you would need more than 352,028,160 popped kernels."

only about 2000 bushels ... or two semi loads. Let's do this.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 21, 2017 01:48 PM (uFxPi)

102 antisocialist at January 21, 2017 01:41 PM

Don't know if the extension agency does stuff like that. Hope we have a farmer somewhere in the audience.

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 01:48 PM (qahv/)

103 antisocialist at January 21, 2017 01:41 PM

Antique popcorn machine museum?

America is Great!

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 01:52 PM (qahv/)

104 Every day is or should be:

National Popcorn Day
National Ice Cream Day
National Chocolate Day

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at January 21, 2017 01:55 PM (qv16M)

105 Has anybody ever successfully popped popcorn on the cob? There are a bunch of YouTube videos. Seems dubious to me.

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 01:58 PM (qahv/)

106 "If you made a trail of popcorn from Los Angeles to New York (though why would you do that?), you would need more than 352,028,160 popped kernels."

only about 2000 bushels ... or two semi loads. Let's do this.
Posted by: illiniwek

Crap! We gotta go back. The birds in Denver ate about a mile of it!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2017 01:59 PM (xkaSw)

107 Bt has long been considered "organic". iirc, it is why the trait for controlling certain worms in corn/soybeans was engineered to have Bt in the plant, or in certain parts of the plant. It is awesome stuff, since only the "worms" that eat the plant are affected. That's safer and more effective than spraying some pesticide.
https://entomology.ca.uky.edu/ef130

Posted by: illiniwek at January 21, 2017 01:59 PM (uFxPi)

108 I bought the latter... an air popper. Damn thing doesn't have an off switch and it's basically a hair dryer on steroids.

Posted by: Former mass resident at January 21, 2017 01:43 PM (hOfX7)

LOL.

I had the same experience years ago when I bought one of those George Foreman grills. I take it out of the box and look at it ... friggin thing has no on/off switch. You had to pull the hot plug out of the wall. Great ... I couldn't believe anyone would even make such a contraption.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 21, 2017 02:04 PM (zc3Db)

109 Tomatoes can get several different diseases. I had bad luck with mine till this year. I did two plantings - one in May, one planted in mid July (everyone in Ohio plants in may or early June). My July crop was excellent, the May crop bad as usual - never got big, withered, small fruits. What part of the country are you in? Market Fresh Plus from Johnnys did well for me this year, if you're into growing your own from seeds.

Posted by: H at January 21, 2017 02:05 PM (Aj1TB)

110 Check out White Cat Popcorn: www.whitecatpopcorn.com. Grown in Bath, Ohio. As DJT would say: 'The best! Grab some today!'.

Posted by: Kittie Corn at January 21, 2017 02:05 PM (bc2Lc)

111 County Extensions usually have a master gardener list for your area - they should be able to point you in the right direction.

Posted by: H at January 21, 2017 02:06 PM (Aj1TB)

112 There's an open thread above now for non-gardening topics.

Interesting comments on this thread today.

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 02:10 PM (qahv/)

113 Lots of cooking or kitchen devices have no on/off switch.
Deep fryers, waffle irons, irons, etc.

Posted by: navybrat at January 21, 2017 02:11 PM (w7KSn)

114 Lots of cooking or kitchen devices have no on/off switch.
Deep fryers, waffle irons, irons, etc.

Posted by: navybrat at January 21, 2017 02:11 PM (w7KSn)

That's crazy.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 21, 2017 02:12 PM (zc3Db)

115 KT knows this stuff better than I, and gave good advice on tomato fungus issues. But I found this quickly enough.
https://njaes.rutgers.edu/pubs/fs547/

Fungicides are useful, especially if your garden is in the same place each year. Rotating different fungicides is good to avoid building resistance in the fungus, which are hard to get rid of completely. On grapes for a commercial scale for example, there are rules on rotating various treatments.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 21, 2017 02:19 PM (uFxPi)

116 Knowing not all corn can be popped wonder if that multi colored corn could?

Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2017 02:29 PM (yx0Ld)

117 Thanks, Illiniwek

The information on rotating fungicides is especially interesting.

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 02:29 PM (qahv/)

118 Skip,

The multi-colored corn at the top of the post is popcorn. Most multi-colored corn is not popcorn.

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 02:30 PM (qahv/)

119 Thanks KT,
I've never seen colorful corn before. I prefer the good seed for sweet corn that doesn't get worms.
We are expecting more rain later this evening into Monday. I've had a little over 2 inches at this ranch. Our cabbage field is under water.
My husband needs to plant fields and it's so wet he may not be able to plant until next Monday. If salinas has had as much rain as we have there will be shortages of fresh vegetables. We have planting schedules. We are always planting and harvesting.

Posted by: CaliGirl at January 21, 2017 02:32 PM (IgBFP)

120 "That's crazy."

They want you to unplug it.
Reduces the risk of fires, burns.

Posted by: navybrat at January 21, 2017 02:32 PM (w7KSn)

121 The strawberry corn reminds me of pomegranate seeds.

Posted by: CaliGirl at January 21, 2017 02:35 PM (IgBFP)

122 If your plug is hot there is an issue with either the plug or the outlet. If they are designed for the wattage the appliance draws they should not get hot.

I was using a little extension cord with a floor heater and didn't like how hot the cord got; Walgreens had some short heavy duty cords in their Christmas aisle, problem solved. Sorry for OT but wanted to reply in the same thread.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 21, 2017 02:38 PM (Jen0I)

123 Posted by: illiniwek at January 21, 2017 02:19 PM (uFxPi)
Wine grapes have rules for fungicides as well.

Posted by: CaliGirl at January 21, 2017 02:40 PM (IgBFP)

124 Re. Tomato fungus. If you have limited gardening spots and can't rotate maybe the hanging tomato planters would be a good idea? With a sterilized potting mix or home sterilization to make sure. I believe you want use an outdoor burner for sterilizing your own soil due to odors.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 21, 2017 02:42 PM (Jen0I)

125 I believe you want use an outdoor burner for sterilizing your own soil due to odors

A buddy of mine was telling me about torches they sell for weed control. I wonder if that would kill spores without too much hassle.

Posted by: dartist at January 21, 2017 02:48 PM (Cf0i2)

126 Re: the fungi and tomatoes, peppers. etc.
Fungal spores are tiny, and they fly everywhere! Make the conditions right for them, and they'll be there. Make it tough on them, and you'll get a crop.
All of the ideas above are good. I'd add don't overwater.
My neighbor only gets 1/2 day sun, and had to go to straw bale gardening for his maters. He just got tired of spraying, plucking, pulling, etc..

I envy folks who have the room and patience for corn.

Posted by: MarkY at January 21, 2017 02:50 PM (qamKG)

127 My husband just picked about a 6 pound chanterelle mushrooms.

http://tinypic.com/r/t6z33d/9

Posted by: CaliGirl at January 21, 2017 02:54 PM (IgBFP)

128 Antisocialist, I don't know where you are. But the U of Minnesota will let you mail in plant samples to identify what the problem is, and they also suggest solutions. Out of state samples are okay. There are fees.

http://tinyurl.com/j4c38jm

I use them for soil testing. I went over there one day with my baggie of soil. There's no parking nearby, everything is kind of casual, and there's a box on the table where you leave your sample. A week or so later you get a complete report on your soil. They're informal, but they are about the only part of the U that isn't overinfested with leftiness.

Otherwise, and remember your go-to person on topic of maters is Weird Dave--rotation is your friend. I'm adding three more raised beds this year so we can do that effectively. The same diseases that affect tomatoes also hit potatoes. I am told that three years is the time you should aim for--plant maters in bed A in year 1, then year 4.

I also recommend trimming those bottom leaves, and mulching under the tomatoes. You can use straw, old leaves, plastic, grass clippings. Just make sure the bare soil is covered, so rain or watering won't bounce up on the leaves.

And if you don't have other places to plant, consider the self-watering boxes like these: http://tinyurl.com/36ttcgh
Self watering is a misnomer; these things can gulp water like crazy in the hot summer, meaning you're filling the reservoir every other day. But they will produce lots of tomatoes. I'd suggest adding some calcium to the soil, and having a calcium foiliar spray handy. They don't cost a lot, and don't take up much space.

KT, thankee for another good thread. I know it bugs you to see all that good water going by. When it gets to be too much, come on over to Minnesota so I can bug you for advice directly. I know they're selling off a bunch of Prince's properties, and they're right near the Minnesota Landscape Arboretum....

Posted by: Gordon at January 21, 2017 03:02 PM (GALxx)

129 Anti socialist,
We are farmers and there are private companies that test water and soil. It isn't cheap. The labs we use aren't in your neck of the woods

Posted by: CaliGirl at January 21, 2017 03:07 PM (IgBFP)

130 Hah. Just noticed on the bottom of the UM Plant Disease Clinic page: "Please note: To comply with federal policy, we cannot accept marijuana samples."

You probably have to go to Colorado State for that.

Posted by: Gordon at January 21, 2017 03:11 PM (GALxx)

131 Anti Socialist I am north of you In a tiny town called Weeksville I go to church in Moorehead City when I am in the OBX

Posted by: Big V at January 21, 2017 03:14 PM (+4gNC)

132 I've never seen jelly bean colored corn before. Incredibly beautiful colors.

Posted by: Corona at January 21, 2017 03:29 PM (PobbO)

133 On the whole GMO business, I'd argue that virtually everything you eat is GMO, due to the efforts of farmers since, well, since the beginning of agricultural societies. Even the corn planted in the garden that one would insist is "non-GMO" got there through centuries of effort by long-gone corn farmers to derive at the very least corn stalks that would yield the best possible, most plentiful cobs.

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at January 21, 2017 03:39 PM (+I0Pt)

134 Snow is nearly gone, and it's finally sunny out!

Guess it's time to take down the Christmas lights.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at January 21, 2017 03:47 PM (044Fx)

135 Banana Belt of Idaho: Weather continues to be weird. This Garden-Thread-Week had a low of negative 6F on Sun.-Mon. night, ended it with last night only dropping to 32F. Daytime highs rose from 13 to 45 F. We had 3 inches of additional snow on Wed.-Thurs. (by my count, snow total now 37") which didn't help matters, but after that it got warm. Some snow melting, particularly on roofs. I did manage to get the straight run of my asphalt driveway fully clear of ice! Still working on the cement apron of the garage, though - highs today and tomorrow will be above freezing, so I hope to be able to chip some more off (it's 2 inches thick - not kidding).

I also got the paths around the house cleared of snow and ice - hope to be able to keep them that way. Still working on fully clearing the cement sidewalk near the front porch - got some of it done yesterday.

Still feeding the birds, and watching Bird TV at my window.

Still chopping up and freezing butternut squash. Can't remember exactly when - I took a sugar pumpkin with a soft spot, and turned the flesh into pumpkin butter; the seeds got salted/roasted - both YUM.

(My husband's parents grew popcorn, and I helped to remove kernels from cobs, in the early years of our marriage. I know what that's like. So now I don't grow popcorn.

Jolly Time brand popcorn plus a hot air popper work fine for us. That photo at the start of the thread sure is a stunner, though!)

And Hillary Clinton is Not My President.
Gotta go work on the driveway ice now. Everybody stay safe out there!

Posted by: Pat* at January 21, 2017 03:52 PM (qC1ju)

136 @Pat: and never will be!

There's reasons for gutters, and I think you've discovered one. Sometimes we need nature to inform us on deficiencies in design. Most of our Minneapolis snow is gone now and there's even a fog warning tonight.

Posted by: Gordon at January 21, 2017 04:09 PM (KQ5VU)

137 "Even the corn planted in the garden that one would insist is "non-GMO" got there through centuries of effort by long-gone corn farmers"

yeah you right

The "round up ready" (glyphosate resistant) corn was "engineered" and the splicing is complex and at times seems "unnatural". But despite scientists trying to make it complex, weeds figured it out and developed their own resistance "naturally", much to the scientist's chagrin.

The organic gardeners used to develop their own varieties by radiating the seed to make the genes do abnormal things (mutate). That was just genetic modification by random genetic "abuse", so a good trait (size, color) might be accompanied with 20 less noticeable weird traits. Precise "splicing" makes more sense.

And natural selection happened without man, before "breeding" (man doing the selecting). Breeding could just be choosing normal chance genetic combinations, but even that involved the occasional desirable mutations.

GMO is mostly a scare word, associated with Frankenfood. Farmers get a little premium for non-GMO, and the seed costs a little less. A bushel of seed corn is easily $250/bu, while the corn grown sells for under $4/bu.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 21, 2017 04:17 PM (uFxPi)

138 "Wine grapes have rules for fungicides as well. Posted by: CaliGirl

They made a push here in IL for growing wine grapes around 2001, but we need special varieties that can withstand cold winters. Also because of humidity, a normal spray schedule is every two weeks, with things like black rot always ready to infest. Maybe you guys spray that often too, not sure.

I have 100 vines out back here now, but can't make myself get very serious about my gardening. I always promise myself "next year".

Posted by: illiniwek at January 21, 2017 04:27 PM (uFxPi)

139 Posted by: illiniwek at January 21, 2017 04:27 PM (uFxPi)
We don't spray that much. I'd have to ask. We have a vanity project of wine grapes 2 acres chard and 2 acres Pinot noir.

Posted by: CaliGirl at January 21, 2017 04:32 PM (IgBFP)

140 nice, CaliGirl ... 4 acres is a lot, but small compared to many out there I guess. cheers

Posted by: illiniwek at January 21, 2017 04:51 PM (uFxPi)

141 It's Morning in America.

Plus, this is very much a garden song:

https://youtu.be/we-n-Zmglt0

Posted by: logprof at January 21, 2017 04:52 PM (GsAUU)

142 Posted by: illiniwek at January 21, 2017 04:51 PM (uFxPi)
You sound like you're in Ag too. We farm row crops.
We grow on about 1500 acres, maybe more. I'm the wife so I think I know what I'm talking about but I get things wrong.
We grow head Lettuce, romaine, leaf lettuce,
Nappa, bok choy, celery, red and green cabbage, kale, spinach, cilantro, broccoli, cauliflower,sno peas, and one ranch is too hot during the summer we grow bell peppers, jalepeno, red fresno, pasilla or poblano peppers.
We also grow blueberries and blackberries and strawberries.
You all have probably eaten our produce.

Posted by: CaliGirl at January 21, 2017 06:04 PM (IgBFP)

143 I got a BS as a horticulture major long ago, but never did anything with it. I was going to grow a few acres of grapes around 2001 but got distracted. I bought part of the old family farm, but only 50 something acres of crops. So I'm involved, but don't call myself a "farmer" exactly. Your family has to know what they are doing to produce all those crops, and get them to market in good shape. congrats.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 21, 2017 06:27 PM (uFxPi)

144 Huzzah! All ice is now off front cement sidewalk, and off cement pad right outside garage! (After husband and me chipping and shoveling/tossing away all that 2 inch thick ice, my right hand is now pounded to flinders. After a break for some decaf, time for soaking my poor hand...)

Posted by: Pat* at January 21, 2017 06:57 PM (qC1ju)

145 Holy cow Caligirl. 1500 acres is huge anywhere for farming. I know three brothers up in northwestern Minnesota who own and farm 2000 acres. Wheat, corn, soybeans and sugar beets. The land is probably worth $15 million, the equipment about $4 million. And they all work for wages in the fall and winter hauling and piling sugar beets, and get unemployment between the end of that and planting time.

I think one of the brothers drove his family to Disney World, once. But that sort of extravagance gets one talked about.

Posted by: Gordon at January 21, 2017 07:06 PM (rNQUX)

146 Homo rainbow corn. Did that come from a government grant in the Obama era? Sure looks like it.

Posted by: FrouFrou at January 21, 2017 07:35 PM (5VpNQ)

147 CaliGirl at January 21, 2017 02:32 PM

Wow. I remember the last year there was flooding in the fields in the Salinas Valley. There were, indeed, veggie shortages. Somebody used a helicopter to get celery out of one field. Guess it was commanding a price.

Hope your planting schedule picks up. Slow and absorbable is how we like rain.

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 10:13 PM (qahv/)

148 MarkY at January 21, 2017 02:50 PM

The straw bale idea is a good one if the problem is soil fungus. Thanks.

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 10:15 PM (qahv/)

149 CaliGirl, the mushroom pic is great. Did you put out mushroom spores?

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 10:20 PM (qahv/)

150 Gordon at January 21, 2017 03:02 PM

Thanks for the garden info AND the celebrity property tip!

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 10:21 PM (qahv/)

151 CatchThirtyThr33 at January 21, 2017 03:39 PM

You're right. Probably applies even more to corn than to most other crops. The wild ancestors of corn look nothing like it.

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 10:24 PM (qahv/)

152 Pat* at January 21, 2017 03:52 PM

Thanks for the report. The pumpkin butter sounds yummy.

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 10:26 PM (qahv/)

153 illiniwek at January 21, 2017 04:17 PM

Nice summary of the science. Irradiated seeds somehow missed scrutiny by people who freak out from splicing. Doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: KT at January 21, 2017 10:30 PM (qahv/)

154 PAT*'S PUMPKIN BUTTER:
Get 1 "sugar pumpkin" (also called pie pumpkin - NEVER use a jack-o-lantern pumpkin), 2.5 to 3 pounds or so. Peel, chop into pieces, cook in water until soft. Drain water, then puree.

1 cup loose brown sugar (normally you pack brown sugar when you measure it, but don't do it this time) (you can go short on this if you want because you can always add more later)
1 tsp. ground cinnamon, 1/4 tsp. each ground ginger and ground nutmeg, 1/8 tsp. ground cloves.

Mix it all up, and cook on low heat until you're happy with the thickness - 10 to 30 minutes, somewhere, probably. I put half of mine in the refrigerator and half in the freezer. Note: you cannot safely can up pumpkin butter, from what I read, so don't do it.

Posted by: Pat* at January 21, 2017 11:17 PM (qC1ju)

155 Posted by: Gordon at January 21, 2017 07:06 PM (rNQUX)
Farm ground here is around 25,000 to 40,000 an acre.
We farm year round. We are really busy, always.
row crops are a different breed from grain crops.
We plant staggered plots so we are planting and harvesting every day.
Row crops are a perishable commodity.
My husband can explain the differences much better than I can.
I bet KT can as well.
In Oxnard, the farm ground is so expensive they sell it by the square foot for BIG money, or just sit back and collect rent.
I should have chose my great grandparents better.

Posted by: CaliGirl at January 22, 2017 01:11 AM (IgBFP)

156 KT,
No, the chanterelles grow under the oak trees. I won't pick anything because I'm afraid. My husband swears he knows what he's doing.
We had some with dinner and they were good.

Posted by: CaliGirl at January 22, 2017 01:14 AM (IgBFP)

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