All Good Things Must Come To An End

If it wasn't pay for play, why is the Clinton ~~Slush Fund & Massage Parlor~~ Global Initiative is closing its doors for good?

A huge part of Americana soon to be gone. The Ringling Brothers & Barnum & Bailey Circus to close.

Speaking of things that must come to an end. The last week of the Obama ~~Reign of Terror~~ Administration. Adios you Jug Ear F*cker.

Open thread until some food whiz comes along to enlighten us.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at 02:51 PM

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1 A new thread is a good thing

Posted by: Skip at January 15, 2017 02:52 PM (yx0Ld)

2 Top ten?

Posted by: Libertarianwannabe at January 15, 2017 02:53 PM (nQ10o)

3 The bitter end, the lees, the heel. The dregs, the last spark . . .

No wait, this is the beginning of the thread, right?

Posted by: Kindltot at January 15, 2017 02:54 PM (WlUkp)

4 Five more days. Praying that Trump remains safe and steadfast.

Posted by: Libertarianwannabe at January 15, 2017 02:55 PM (nQ10o)

5 If it wasn't pay for play, why is the Clinton Slush Fund & Massage Parlor Global Initiative is closing its doors for good?

Why it's almost as if they do not care about poor people!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 02:55 PM (92kX2)

6 After Ringling Brothers is Sea World. They're the next target of the econazis. Then every zoo.

With this circus scalp they are emboldened.

Posted by: bananaDream at January 15, 2017 02:55 PM (Ag8Mw)

7 The Ringling Brothers & Barnum & Bailey Circus to close.

But enough about the end of Obama's term...

Posted by: mikeski at January 15, 2017 02:55 PM (UzBQ4)

8 will we ever know the extent and content of his thousands of executive regulations?

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at January 15, 2017 02:57 PM (WTSFk)

9 So what happens to all the CGI money when it gets dissolved?

Posted by: bluebell at January 15, 2017 02:57 PM (sBOL1)

10 Baraq 0bama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

Hillary Clinton will never be President of the United States.

Posted by: logprof at January 15, 2017 02:58 PM (GsAUU)

11 will we ever know the extent and content of his thousands of executive regulations?

Hopefully we won't have to, when Trump reverses them all...

Posted by: mikeski at January 15, 2017 02:58 PM (UzBQ4)

12 560 Correct, though, Hillary, I don't think you have any standing on this issue any longer!!

Live by the Sock, Die by the Sock. You know how it is.

So ... if you're going concealed carry hand-gun, seems to me you've got to answer three questions ...

1) How will you carry (purse, pocket, inside waistband)
2) What caliber do you fancy (.22, .25, .38, 9mm, bigger)
3) Revolver or Semi-Auto

Put any thought into any of this ?

Definitely will not carry. Don't know anything about caliber or type.

Posted by: Libertarianwannabe at January 15, 2017 02:58 PM (nQ10o)

13 I remember going to see the Ringling museum in Florida in Sarasota as a kid, maybe around 1970.

Posted by: Skip at January 15, 2017 02:58 PM (yx0Ld)

14 Why is her slush fund closing up? There was a story I linked to a few months ago that said contributions were drying up since she lost the election. Who wants to pay bribes when they can do no good.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at January 15, 2017 02:58 PM (mpXpK)

15 All the money at CGI will be Corazined.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 15, 2017 02:59 PM (nafpB)

16 Ringling brothers has been driven out of buisness but the source of that story (AP) doesn't want to admit it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at January 15, 2017 03:00 PM (mpXpK)

17 IMO anything smaller than 9mm isn't worth the trouble but I don't carry, Yet.

Posted by: Skip at January 15, 2017 03:01 PM (yx0Ld)

18 @9- bluebell
Gets deposited in a bank on pedo island?

Posted by: teej at January 15, 2017 03:01 PM (gJ3Vg)

19 14 Why is her slush fund closing up? There was a story I linked to a few months ago that said contributions were drying up since she lost the election. Who wants to pay bribes when they can do no good.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at January 15, 2017 02:58 PM (mpXpK)

Now Vic, I have heard on numerous occasions from numerous lefties that the CGI was a wonderful humanitarian organization that helped MILLIONS of people.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:01 PM (92kX2)

20 Have we FINALLY heard the last of the Clintons? I pray it is so.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at January 15, 2017 03:01 PM (hVdx9)

21 The Clinton Slush Fund & Massage Parlor is coming to an end?

Free at last, Free at last! Thank God almighty we are free at last!

4 days and a wake up.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 15, 2017 03:01 PM (5VlCp)

22 Well, now, it is quite puzzling that the Clinton Domestic Slush Fund (aka Foundation) remains but the Clinton Global Slush Fund (aka Initiative) is disbanding.

It's almost as if they think they won't be getting enough foreign donations to offset expenses.
But, golly, why would they suddenly fear that heads of state would stop donating?!?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 15, 2017 03:02 PM (Nox3c)

23 Willowed last thread:

Ugh, check out the #writersresist hashtag on twitter...

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=%23writersresist&src=typd

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 15, 2017 03:01 PM (vBeA5)

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 15, 2017 03:02 PM (vBeA5)

24 19 Now Vic, I have heard on numerous occasions from
numerous lefties that the CGI was a wonderful humanitarian organization
that helped MILLIONS of people.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:01 PM (92kX2)

millions = three; Scankles, Bubba, and Muley get 95% of the "help" as salary. IOW a scam charity.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at January 15, 2017 03:02 PM (mpXpK)

25 For home it dawned on me cleaning my revolver and 1911 45acp the revolver is much simpler and easier to maintain.

Posted by: Skip at January 15, 2017 03:03 PM (yx0Ld)

26 15
All the money at CGI will be Corazined.

Didn't we hear back before the election that the Clintons had sent something like two billion dollars to the UAE or some other sandy place? What was that all about?

Posted by: Ruthless at January 15, 2017 03:03 PM (ro5Th)

27 9 So what happens to all the CGI money when it gets dissolved?

Posted by: bluebell at January 15, 2017 02:57

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It prolly stays in the Clinton Foundation. The CGI is a piece of the Foundation as I understand it.

Posted by: olddog in mo at January 15, 2017 03:04 PM (Dhht7)

28 You would think the compact 9mm guns would have killed the .380 market, but .380 is alive and well.
I do wish Llama would get their sh*t together and roll out the new Micromax already.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at January 15, 2017 03:04 PM (hVdx9)

29
Five more days. Praying that Trump remains safe and steadfast.
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And that obama gets an early start on sleeping really late regularly.

Posted by: Methos at January 15, 2017 03:05 PM (3Liv/)

30
* scans resume of candidate *

"Let's see... graft, extortion, pay-for-play, and graft."

* points at resume *

"You said 'graft' twice."

"I really like graft!"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot at January 15, 2017 03:06 PM (BK3ZS)

31
Haiti: "Where's our fooklng money?"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot at January 15, 2017 03:07 PM (BK3ZS)

32 CGI was as fake as movie CGI.

Posted by: Bill in Chappaqua at January 15, 2017 03:07 PM (bc2Lc)

33 The Clintons are as transparently disgusting as one would expect. I mean, I thought we would at least make it to Trump's inauguration before they pulled the plug on their money laundering front.

Also, John Lewis has been in the Congress for 30 years. In that time, has anyone ever heard his name in connection with a) anything bipartisan or b) anything other than the legacy civil rights industry?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 15, 2017 03:07 PM (F0ZHr)

34
It prolly stays in the Clinton Foundation. The CGI is a piece of the Foundation as I understand it.
Posted by: olddog in mo at January 15, 2017 03:04 PM (Dhht7)

I am sure everything is completely above board and a straight arrow accountant could find no discrepancies....

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:07 PM (92kX2)

35 Definitely will not carry. Don't know anything about caliber or type.

Oh ... then I misunderstood. So you're thinking gun for the home ? Do I have that right now ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 15, 2017 03:07 PM (fiGNd)

36 My brother gave us tickets to Ringling Bros. for Christmas, so my kids get to go to the circus before it's gone.

They're already sold out in my area, so if he hadn't done that the kids would have missed out.

Posted by: Brunette the Lurker 'Ette at January 15, 2017 03:08 PM (adsVM)

37 The money will "disappear" and the MSM will pretend nothing is happening.

I don't think we have an extradition treaty with UAE or most of the goatraping shitholes in the ME.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 15, 2017 03:09 PM (nafpB)

38 G-damn screwed by MisHum again with links to lib sites (NYT). Every click is like a punch in the balls.

Posted by: Smitty27 at January 15, 2017 03:09 PM (g9d8D)

39 35
Definitely will not carry.

So crew-served weapons are not off the table? Ma Deuce is always a good choice.

Posted by: Ruthless at January 15, 2017 03:09 PM (ro5Th)

40 7 The Ringling Brothers & Barnum & Bailey Circus to close.

But enough about the end of Obama's term...
Posted by: mikeski
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*golf clap.

Posted by: Chi at January 15, 2017 03:09 PM (mB0As)

41 There used to be many traveling circuses, and Ringling Brothers Barnum & Bailey Circus was the last one standing. The animal rights people were a factor in its demise, but not the only one.

I remember my parents taking me to a circus when I was about 6. I've never been to one since then. Today there are many more entertainment options available than there were when circuses first became popular in the 19th century.

Posted by: rickl at January 15, 2017 03:09 PM (sdi6R)

42 Does anyone really, truly, believe that girl with the face and personality of a foot's going to win any sort of office?

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 15, 2017 03:10 PM (/x6xU)

43 I have heard on numerous occasions from numerous lefties "

Don't forget our own Wynning Bill!

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at January 15, 2017 03:10 PM (C9pBZ)

44 I was stuck in a bar late one night in midtown Manhattan, when the circus came into town and the streets were blocked off for their passage to Madison Sq. Garden. For some reason, they walked the elephants along through the streets and it took some time up to move them along.

When the show was finally over the streets were loaded up with fresh elephant dung, and a couple of circus people came following along with shovels and a truck cleaning up after the elephants. It was a very memorable Fellini-esque NYC moment.

Posted by: MTF at January 15, 2017 03:11 PM (X4ZNp)

45 I remember my parents taking me to a circus when I was about 6. I've never been to one since then. Today there are many more entertainment options available than there were when circuses first became popular in the 19th century.
Posted by: rickl at January 15, 2017 03:09 PM (sdi6R)

Plus I always found the zoo to be better for seeing animals in person, in my opinion. Better variety, fewer clowns.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:11 PM (92kX2)

46 I once got in to a debate regarding the Clinton foundation with a friend, who of course, insisted that it was a legit charity. I disagreed, naturally.
I can't wait to see him again.

Posted by: navybrat at January 15, 2017 03:12 PM (w7KSn)

47 42 Does anyone really, truly, believe that girl with the face and personality of a foot's going to win any sort of office?
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 15, 2017 03:10 PM (/x6xU)

GO GATA!

Posted by: Corrine Brown at January 15, 2017 03:12 PM (GsAUU)

48 Word is that without the elephants -- thank you PETA -- attendance for Ringling fell even more than they expected.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 15, 2017 03:12 PM (bQxkN)

49 43 I have heard on numerous occasions from numerous lefties "

Don't forget our own Wynning Bill!
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at January 15, 2017 03:10 PM (C9pBZ)

Did we ever find out if he was an authentic outside troll or a clever sock from a regular/lurker?

If he was a lurker, bravo my good man/woman.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:12 PM (92kX2)

50 if he was an authentic outside troll or a clever sock from a regular/lurker? "

Yes.

Heh.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at January 15, 2017 03:13 PM (C9pBZ)

51 The Clintons are as transparently disgusting as one would expect. I mean, I thought we would at least make it to Trump's inauguration before they pulled the plug on their money laundering front.

Also, John Lewis has been in the Congress for 30 years. In that time, has anyone ever heard his name in connection with a) anything bipartisan or b) anything other than the legacy civil rights industry?

Posted by: Circa
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Right now the dem propaganda wing (aka MFM) is going nuts over Trump saying GA's 5th congressional district is crime ridden and falling apart.
Watching them spin is kind of funny because you can see how they are parsing their words or lying by omission in order to attack what Trump said.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at January 15, 2017 03:14 PM (hVdx9)

52 I went to the circus for nostalgia maybe 6 or 7 years ago. There's nothing death-defying about it at this point. It was stunningly boring, so no wonder they're knocking down the tents.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 15, 2017 03:14 PM (/x6xU)

53 . For some reason, they walked the elephants along through the streets and it took some time up to move them along.

For an industry that's all about showmanship, that seems tame. Elephants hanging in slings under Chinook copters, now that would be an entrance.

Posted by: mikeski at January 15, 2017 03:15 PM (UzBQ4)

54 How AWESOME is it that Trump killed the Clinton Family Foundation????

Where will Chelsea work now?
Will any company bother seating her on their Board of Directors, one of her stealth means of income?

How long will Bill and Hillary live now that their life's work - amassing as much money and power as possible - is officially over?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2017 03:15 PM (NOIQH)

55 The Powerline guys talked about the Clinton foundation closing its doors and even went on to agree with the Post's assertion the foundation would have closed one way or another, because Hillary would have had to shut it down if she became president.

Honestly, people like the Powerline guys seem to suffer from permanent Gell-Mann effect when it comes to our political class and Hillary in particular.

For some reason, I guess Powerline thinks Hillary would have gone from being a murderous grifter to an upstanding citizen upon ascension to her throne, I mean the presidency.

Posted by: Blake at January 15, 2017 03:16 PM (WEBkv)

56 Word is that without the elephants -- thank you PETA -- attendance for Ringling fell even more than they expected.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 15, 2017 03:12 PM (bQxkN)

Circus = elephants. Everything else is filler.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 15, 2017 03:16 PM (bG+ug)

57 Last circus I attended was the Chinese circus in Shanghai, back in 1985. Yes, kind of boring really. I remember lots of weird contortionists and guys spinning plates on sticks. Meh.

Posted by: Ruthless at January 15, 2017 03:16 PM (ro5Th)

58 How long will Bill and Hillary live now that their life's work - amassing as much money and power as possible - is officially over?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2017 03:15 PM (NOIQH)

I am sure they will find some way to make ends meet.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:16 PM (92kX2)

59 I was thinking about this yesterday - CGI folding does in retrospect imply that it was a pay-for-play operation.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, 348 times at January 15, 2017 03:17 PM (tHwdc)

60 "I am sure they will find some way to make ends meet."

That's what Bill said to the Energizer Bunny.

Posted by: Ruthless at January 15, 2017 03:18 PM (ro5Th)

61 But where will 6 and 7 yr old kids dream to run off to if they don't get icecream before bed at night?

Posted by: Skip at January 15, 2017 03:18 PM (yx0Ld)

62 "Does anyone really, truly, believe that girl with the face and personality of a foot's going to win any sort of office?"

Face lifts, safe seats and lots and lots of money will get her a safe seat somewhere.

Posted by: rabidfox at January 15, 2017 03:18 PM (EW9tX)

63 For a home-defense pistol, with the coming of the hearing protection act, I'd want the most power I can get whilst using a subsonic round for use with a suppressor. That's going to be 230gr .45acp.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 15, 2017 03:18 PM (/x6xU)

64 59 I was thinking about this yesterday - CGI folding does in retrospect imply that it was a pay-for-play operation.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, 348 times at January 15, 2017 03:17 PM (tHwdc)

But if the Clinton foundation remains, then the beast is still waiting, just retracting a bit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:18 PM (92kX2)

65 Just turned the radio on for white noise while cutting up a chicken and there was some NPR word-play quizz show on. Immediately following a breathless intro to a piece about "Targeting Journalism" in the Age of Trumpism. They started with a brief recording of Trump telling Buzzfeed that they are garbages and telling them that there would be "consequences" (which of course means brownshirts will be smashing Buzzfeed's windows and writing "Juden" on the door).
Then, some IYI millenial with perfect, NPR beta-male intonation is quoted as saying: "All politicians lie... but in the age of Trump, the concept of truth itself is becoming impossible."

Quick news break on how "Despite claims that deportations will focus on the serious criminals, there are reports of non-criminal undocumented people being caught up in deportations." They then interview a fellow named "Jose." No other introduction, just "Jose." He then explains how "they asked me what my name was, and I said Jose... and the next thing I know I'm in an ICE detention facility."

Yes, they are rounding up everyone named "Jose" now.

For curiosity, love or money I could not listen any longer and had to shut it off. I fear that 50% of the country is irredeemable, to borrow a phrase, and all we can hope for is to influence more of the young by a two-term soft cultural revolution that may swing the majority of the country back into something resembling sanity.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at January 15, 2017 03:18 PM (OhTOr)

66 So, any of these animal activists taking in the circus animals now that they've been put out of a job, and their employer's business killed?

Yeah, they never stick around for that part - they just make sure their owners no longer have the means to support them, declare victory, and move on. Because they care so much for the animals, you guys!

I bet they end up here, or at some place like it:

http://www.wildanimalsanctuary.org/

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2017 03:19 PM (NOIQH)

67 Face lifts, safe seats and lots and lots of money will get her a safe seat somewhere."

You said "safe seat" twice...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at January 15, 2017 03:19 PM (C9pBZ)

68 I even heard James Carville say how important the Clinton Global Initiative was, and how it helped so many millions of people.

Or, how so many millions helped certain people.
Like Carville. Something like that.

When he said that with a straight face, I knew he was really a convincing sociopath.

Gah, how much could have gone wrong if Hillary had been elected!

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at January 15, 2017 03:19 PM (S6Pax)

69 I have not been able to listen to NPR for more than three minutes for several decades.

Posted by: Ruthless at January 15, 2017 03:19 PM (ro5Th)

70 Dang. Forgot I had started watching The Spy Who Loved Me and hit the eject button. Started skipping scenes to get back to where I left off but I think I'll start it up a little further back and rewatch the tent scene.

Posted by: teej at January 15, 2017 03:20 PM (gJ3Vg)

71 I am sure they will find some way to make ends meet.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:16 PM (92kX2)

I ain't in no ways tahrrrrrred!!!!

Posted by: Hitlery! at January 15, 2017 03:20 PM (GsAUU)

72 and I said Jose"

Jose, can you see?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at January 15, 2017 03:20 PM (C9pBZ)

73 Miley thats one way to look at it, if it wasn't a grifter operation why isn't the cash still pouring in? Did sultans suddenly stop caring for womens rights?

Posted by: Skip at January 15, 2017 03:20 PM (yx0Ld)

74 >>If it wasn't pay for play, why is the Clinton Slush Fund & Massage Parlor Global Initiative is closing its doors for good?

Wow. Who could have seen this coming?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 15, 2017 03:20 PM (/tuJf)

75 I was taken to the Ringling Bros, Barum and Bailey Circus when I was 6. Three rings. Flying trapeze artists, dancing elephants, clowns, pretty girls standing up riding horses, gymnasts, magicians, guy getting shot out of a canon into a net, a cage filled with lions and tigers, and one guy with a whip making them jump through flaming hoops. Popcorn, cotton candy, salted peanuts. All under an enormous canvas tent.

After that, I wanted to be a lion tamer!

Now, 6 yearolds play games on cellphones.

Posted by: 4 days, 20 hrs to noon,Jan 20! at January 15, 2017 03:20 PM (iLoHX)

76 Now that FAB is off the grift, I like imagining her chasing a grandkid around with an orange wedge in her mouth and keeling over.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 15, 2017 03:21 PM (/x6xU)

77 For a home-defense pistol, with the coming of the hearing protection act, I'd want the most power I can get whilst using a subsonic round for use with a suppressor

Different strokes ... and all that.

My home defense pistol ain't one. It's a Remington 870, 18" slug barrel, loaded with #2 bird.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 15, 2017 03:21 PM (fiGNd)

78 I have played in the orchestra for Ringling, decades ago.

I will never forget when the elephants came by while we were playing. One or two of them let out their urine as they passed by, we all had to raise our feet off the floor to avoid the onrushing torrent, lest our shoes get soaked. I am talking tens of gallons of pungent wee wee.

The things I did for money.

Posted by: navybrat at January 15, 2017 03:21 PM (w7KSn)

79 Jose and The Pussygrabbers

Posted by: xnycpeasant at January 15, 2017 03:21 PM (OhTOr)

80 I am not a gun expert, but if buying a handgun to use in home defense, maybe a smaller caliber might be wise? Less chance of over-penetration, and injuring or killing a family member in the next room, or a neighbor in the adjoining apartment? Also less noise, so less risk of permanent hearing loss? After all, you won't have time to put plugs in your ears, or don ear muffs if a real self-defense situation arises.

One round from a .22 might not drop an intruder, but the whole mag probably will.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 15, 2017 03:22 PM (bG+ug)

81 Get my money down here, bitch! They declined my credit card! Don't make me come up there!

Posted by: Bill from Pedo Island at January 15, 2017 03:22 PM (qJhUV)

82 Wow. Who could have seen this coming?
Posted by: JackStraw at January 15, 2017 03:20 PM (/tuJf)

Well, Hillary! didn't.

I truly wish we could have had video footage of her on election night. It must have been epic. Sad, and perhaps frightening, but epic.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:23 PM (92kX2)

83 think I'll start it up a little further back and rewatch the tent scene."

Here's a rose.

Heh.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at January 15, 2017 03:23 PM (C9pBZ)

84 How about we call the foaming at the mouth anti-Trumpers the Axis of Snivel ?

Posted by: Canuck Bob at January 15, 2017 03:23 PM (f80AK)

85 One round from a .22 might not drop an intruder, but the whole mag probably will.

SeniorScogg carries a .25 Beretta. Old dude is a friggin' artist with it from inside ten yards.

I wouldn't want him shooting at me.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 15, 2017 03:23 PM (fiGNd)

86 I fear that 50% of the country is irredeemable, to borrow a phrase, and all we can hope for is to influence more of the young by a two-term soft cultural revolution that may swing the majority of the country back into something resembling sanity.
Posted by: xnycpeasant

There will ALWAYS be a hardcore of political insanity now in America. I give you......California. Exhibit A. Should be the richest and most prosperous state in the country (and it is), but increasingly headed toward financial insolvency. Sometime in the next year or two, the Trump Administration will begin pulling the plug on Federal subsidies for a variety of their ills.

Massachusetts. Exhibit B.

Illinois is just cray-cray around Chicagoland, and New York is just hard to figure.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at January 15, 2017 03:24 PM (S6Pax)

87 I never had the gumption to get a rifle, I stick with my 1911 it is compact for indoors and will stop a intrusion

Posted by: Skip at January 15, 2017 03:24 PM (yx0Ld)

88 Still no pardon for Hilary. Sweat, bitch

Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2017 03:25 PM (2RVmA)

89 I truly wish we could have had video footage of her on election night.
It must have been epic. Sad, and perhaps frightening, but epic.

It was a bloodbath. Horrifying. I lost so many good friends.

Posted by: Bottle of vodka at January 15, 2017 03:25 PM (LAe3v)

90 The things I did for money.
Posted by: navybrat at January 15, 2017 03:21 PM (w7KSn)

We honestly need to get a flashing siren for straight lines like that.

Buzzfeed: Was Trump in town? We've heard he likes that kind of thing. Can you go on record? Please.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:25 PM (92kX2)

91 Still no pardon for Hilary. Sweat, bitch
Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2017 03:25 PM (2RVmA)
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I still say Thursday night.

Posted by: bluebell at January 15, 2017 03:26 PM (sBOL1)

92 It prolly stays in the Clinton Foundation. The CGI is a piece of the Foundation as I understand it.
Posted by: olddog in mo at January 15, 2017 03:04 PM (Dhht7)

I am sure everything is completely above board and a straight arrow accountant could find no discrepancies....

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:07It prolly stays in the Clinton Foundation. The CGI is a piece of the Foundation as I understand it.

Posted by: olddog in mo at January 15, 2017 03:04 PM (Dhht7)

I am sure everything is completely above board and a straight arrow accountant could find no discrepancies....

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:07

Ok, I took one for the team and went to the CGI faq webpage. It appears that this was Bill's vehicle to convene global leaders/countries together to discuss global shit and extort money from them for Hiccary via the Clinton Foundation. The CGI doesn't make grants nor provide funding.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/lyfnxsm

Posted by: olddog in mo at January 15, 2017 03:26 PM (Dhht7)

93 It was a bloodbath. Horrifying. I lost so many good friends.
Posted by: Bottle of vodka at January 15, 2017 03:25 PM (LAe3v)

Golf Clap.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 15, 2017 03:26 PM (fiGNd)

94 I went to .223 for home defense. The only downside will be noise. So if the guy is crying and begging after the first shot or three I won't be able to hear him. It will all just be, " eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at January 15, 2017 03:26 PM (hVdx9)

95 So we're supposed to be crying for Jose, huh?

I stopped listening to NPR many years ago when they aired a heartbreaking profile of a convicted rapist talking about how hard it was to get a job because people didn't want to be around him. Nope, they didn't interview anyone he worked with, such as women who might have had to be alone w/him in the same room, just lots of hand-wringing about how prejudiced everyone was, and how this is a frightening trend among violent offenders when they get out of prison.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2017 03:26 PM (NOIQH)

96 An ideal home defense weapon will be an MP5SD, without the select fire. Trump for the win.

Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2017 03:26 PM (2RVmA)

97 Posted by: Libertarianwannabe at January 15, 2017 02:55 PM (nQ10o)

God point. Keep own praying! There were several people at church today who mentoned the threats of chaos at the inauguration and said "We need to pray for the safety for our New President and wisdom and that he would listen to God and do His will because God choose Him for us/" Interestingly enough the people who mentioned this were two African Americans.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2017 03:26 PM (tOcW/)

98 It was a bloodbath. Horrifying. I lost so many good friends.
Posted by: Bottle of vodka at January 15, 2017 03:25 PM (LAe3v)

Like Stalingrad?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:27 PM (92kX2)

99 1 A new thread is a good thing
Posted by: Skip

A good thread would be a new thing.

Posted by: zombie at January 15, 2017 03:27 PM (jBuUi)

100 Oops. Must have Ctrl-P'd twice. Sorry about that.

Posted by: olddog in mo at January 15, 2017 03:27 PM (Dhht7)

101 Still no pardon for Hilary. Sweat, bitch
Posted by: Jean at

Prolly on Thursday. Obama is negotiating his cut as we speak.

The Clinton Global Initiative is dead.

Long live the Obama Global Initiative.

People helping people. But mostly people helping Barack and Michelle live in the lifestyle they have come to know.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at January 15, 2017 03:27 PM (S6Pax)

102 How long will Bill and Hillary live now that their
life's work - amassing as much money and power as possible - is
officially over?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2017 03:15 PM (NOIQH)

I am sure they will find some way to make ends meet.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:16 PM (92kX2)

It's not about how they'll be able to pay bills though, is it? The drive for power and status has defined them all their lives.
Not that I have any pity for them. I guess it's more the "why" - what is the point, now?

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, 348 times at January 15, 2017 03:28 PM (tHwdc)

103 Like Stalingrad?

Nah, Vermouth.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at January 15, 2017 03:28 PM (C9pBZ)

104 94 I went to .223 for home defense. The only downside will be noise. So if the guy is crying and begging after the first shot or three I won't be able to hear him. It will all just be, " eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at January 15, 2017 03:26 PM (hVdx9)

Wouldn't you have issue with shooting through the walls? How much of a concern is that really? I guess that is not a concern for the rural 'rons, but us city-fied folk might have... issues.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:29 PM (92kX2)

105 >.I truly wish we could have had video footage of her on election night.
It must have been epic. Sad, and perhaps frightening, but epic.

I'm still angry she didn't do a concession speech on election night. I stayed up past 3:00am waiting for that b#tch to come out and face the music. Her voters deserved that, and the rest of us, too.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2017 03:29 PM (NOIQH)

106 "After all, you won't have time to put plugs in your ears, or don ear muffs if a real self-defense situation arises.
"

A solution for this problem is in the works.

H.R. 367, the Hearing Protection Act (HPA).

http://preview.tinyurl.com/z3ommka

Posted by: Willy J. at January 15, 2017 03:29 PM (W6Ch1)

107 .223 is probably about an ideal home defense round, with the only downside being the noise and needing two hands.

Before the over penetration comments start, .223 hits the first piece of drywall and starts yawing and breaking apart, unlike shotgun pellets or pistol rounds, whilst still being a danger-ender.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 15, 2017 03:29 PM (/x6xU)

108 some food whiz

wit whiz o witout, no onion rings at dis window

Posted by: DaveA at January 15, 2017 03:29 PM (8J/Te)

109 @80--my advice is to buy something you will practice and become proficient with.

As for permanent hearing lose, well, I think losing ones hearing saving a loved one, or yourself is probably a good tradeoff.

One recommendation I've seen: keep a set of electronic ear muffs by your bed. You hear a noise, slap on the muffs, turn up the volume and you can hear a mouse fart in the garage, yet still protect your hearing if you need to shoot.

Another suggestion: Practice, practice, practice. (I shoot IDPA and Steel Challenge with my carry weapons in order to maintain proficiency)

Posted by: Blake at January 15, 2017 03:29 PM (WEBkv)

110 Like Stalingrad?
Posted by: Aetius451AD

WORSE!

And Trump is worse than Hitler. Really.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at January 15, 2017 03:29 PM (S6Pax)

111 Small fast rounds penetrate too. I believe penatration is more of an ammo issue. The 4 shot from a shotgun will over penetrate, too.

Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2017 03:30 PM (2RVmA)

112 A good thread would be a new thing.
Posted by: zombie at January 15, 2017 03:27 PM (jBuUi)

Hey, that discussion of John Wayne, Clint Eastwood and Blazing Saddles was perfectly justified last night!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:30 PM (92kX2)

113 "88 Still no pardon for Hilary. Sweat, bitch"

Probably the last thing the a*****e does. In the limo, on his cell phone, while riding with the Trumps on the way to the Inauguration.

Posted by: Tuna at January 15, 2017 03:30 PM (JSovD)

114 >.I am sure they will find some way to make ends meet.

I meant health-wise. Hillary seemed to be held together by duct-tape, band-aids and gin. Bill looks not too far from that as well.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2017 03:30 PM (NOIQH)

115 Jacketed. Hollow. Points.

Posted by: lindafell de spair deplorable xenophobic redneck at January 15, 2017 03:30 PM (JNDQi)

116 Before the over penetration comments start, .223 hits the first piece of drywall and starts yawing and breaking apart, unlike shotgun pellets or pistol rounds, whilst still being a danger-ender.
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 15, 2017 03:29 PM (/x6xU)

Thanks.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:31 PM (92kX2)

117 A good thread would be a new thing.
Posted by: zombie at January 15, 2017 03:27 PM
Food thread in a hr or so

Posted by: Skip at January 15, 2017 03:31 PM (yx0Ld)

118 And Trump is worse than Hitler. Really."

Hmm. Who's sent troops thru Poland lately?

Heh.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at January 15, 2017 03:31 PM (C9pBZ)

119 Wouldn't you have issue with shooting through the walls? How much of a concern is that really? I guess that is not a concern for the rural 'rons, but us city-fied folk might have... issues.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:29 PM (92kX2)

5.56 is supposed to under penetrate compared to 9mm ball or buckshot, etc.

Posted by: Keith at January 15, 2017 03:31 PM (USf3s)

120 I meant health-wise. Hillary seemed to be held together by duct-tape, band-aids and gin. Bill looks not too far from that as well.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2017 03:30 PM (NOIQH)

Like many Boomers, I truly think they believe they will live forever.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:32 PM (92kX2)

121 Libertarianwannbe:

Meant to say' "Good Point" but it is a "God point" in that Scripture says in 1 Timothy 2:2 that we should pray for our leaders that we may live in peace and in all godliness and holiness.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2017 03:32 PM (tOcW/)

122 I love the last piece of Clarice Feldmans article today. Basically Trump is threatening to drag the spooks shenaigans out into the daylight. No one's ever done that before.

Oh Boy, This is gonna be great!

Posted by: Pete Seria at January 15, 2017 03:32 PM (lJW6d)

123 If you are concerned with shooting through walls, might I suggest the .88 Magnum?

Posted by: Billy Vermin at January 15, 2017 03:32 PM (OhOyF)

124 Hillary seemed to be held together by duct-tape, "

I'll grant masking tape, but she'd look great under Duct tape...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at January 15, 2017 03:32 PM (C9pBZ)

125 97. Fenelon
Not us. We listened to a sermon about the evils of the incoming Trump administration. I'm really having problems with the Catholic Church right now.
I don't care if they want to be globalists. Just don't need the US to be.
Let the church fund charities, they are good at it. Very tired of the US government doing it.
I truly believe that the Roman Catholic Church needs to start selling off the magnificent items in the Vatican to help the poor. Everyone at the Vatican needs to start living that vow of poverty.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at January 15, 2017 03:33 PM (wV8s/)

126 It's sad to see the end of an era, but the circus was kind of like vaudeville. In its heyday, there were no movies, radio, or TV, so live entertainment was the only option for most people.

Nowadays there are movies with CGI actors dodging explosions and jumping out of buildings, so the high-wire act seems kind of tame by comparison.

Posted by: rickl at January 15, 2017 03:33 PM (sdi6R)

127 I prefer pistol if there's a need to investigate a bump in the night so I can still open doors and maintain control of my weapon. If I just needed to defend my space and Mrs. C., the AR's coming out.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 15, 2017 03:34 PM (/x6xU)

128 Love the latest Potato or John Lewis? headline at the top right ...

Posted by: ShainS at January 15, 2017 03:34 PM (mt8X9)

129 Company is working for county detention and wall at entry has a fiberglass composite in the wall behind the drywall.
http://www.armorcore.com/why-armorcore/about-waco-composites/
Guys took some home and started to shoot at it, no pistol round even had a chance so the rifles came out and it didn't stop one round they were telling me.

Posted by: Skip at January 15, 2017 03:35 PM (yx0Ld)

130 I think a lot of the overpenetration issue is a non issue if you think in terms of scenarios.
For example, you generally don't want to be roaming around in a dark house with a loaded firearm chasing noises.
If you loudly announce you have a gun, move everyone you care about into your safe/barricade zone, defend in place and call 911 you generally don't have to worry about over penetration
At that point anyone coming through the door who doesn't announce PD is a fair target and you shouldn't be concerned too much about whats on the other side of the interior walls.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at January 15, 2017 03:35 PM (OhTOr)

131 .223 hits the first piece of drywall and starts yawing and breaking apart

So, very much like an AOSHQ thread.

Posted by: pep at January 15, 2017 03:35 PM (LAe3v)

132 @121 Fenelon

Amen.

Posted by: Blake at January 15, 2017 03:36 PM (WEBkv)

133 We listened to a sermon about the evils of the incoming Trump"

Odd. When, exactly, did Trump become President?

Lost an acquaintance over this - after some weeks of "Trump did this", I simply wondered when he took office...

Of course, I was denounced. Oddly enough, I lost exactly no sleep over that.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at January 15, 2017 03:36 PM (C9pBZ)

134 If post 100 is the first piece of drywall, then yes pep.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 15, 2017 03:36 PM (/x6xU)

135 Also, John Lewis has been in the Congress for 30 years. In that time, has anyone ever heard his name in connection with a) anything bipartisan or b) anything other than the legacy civil rights industry?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 15, 2017 03:07 PM (F0ZHr)

No....nada...zippo.

It's 1965 all day, errday in John's world.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 15, 2017 03:36 PM (5VlCp)

136 >> I think a lot of the overpenetration issue is a non issue

The Paolo and your Wife will laugh at this the next time you are at work.

Posted by: Paolo at January 15, 2017 03:37 PM (OhOyF)

137 Chupacabra beat me to it. Per some tests I saw, the 40gr Hornady v-max load completely fragments upon striking drywall that is 5/8 thick.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at January 15, 2017 03:37 PM (hVdx9)

138 130 I think a lot of the overpenetration issue is a non issue if you think in terms of scenarios.
For example, you generally don't want to be roaming around in a dark house with a loaded firearm chasing noises.
If you loudly announce you have a gun, move everyone you care about into your safe/barricade zone, defend in place and call 911 you generally don't have to worry about over penetration
At that point anyone coming through the door who doesn't announce PD is a fair target and you shouldn't be concerned too much about whats on the other side of the interior walls.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at January 15, 2017 03:35 PM (OhTOr)

That's our plan of action. I am not going hunting for someone in a dark house, but, if whomever finds us, well, sucks to be them.

Posted by: Blake at January 15, 2017 03:38 PM (WEBkv)

139 91 Still no pardon for Hilary. Sweat, bitch
Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2017 03:25 PM (2RVmA)
------------------
I still say Thursday night.
Posted by: bluebell
----------------

Honest question:
Doesn't she have to be convicted of something before she can be pardoned?

Posted by: Chi at January 15, 2017 03:38 PM (mB0As)

140 why is the Clinton Global Initiative closing its doors for good?

They've got some heavy bills coming due this week.

Posted by: t-bird at January 15, 2017 03:38 PM (9Q5BJ)

141 Video of a flogging in Iran. Not what you'd expect.

https://youtu.be/ZvSgR5dZR3o

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at January 15, 2017 03:39 PM (Nwg0u)

142 Powerline guys are a good example of the trouble we're in. Smart people who mostly "get it" - but often not nearly *enough* to understand how bad things are. One of them is much better than the rest, who have lots of Beltway blindness.

Libertarianwannabe, gonna repeat my contribution: check out the website "Cornered Cat" (read the articles); and if you know how to search comments - see buzzion for advice - look up a comment by "whig" a few days ago in response to your initial request for firearms advice.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2017 03:39 PM (QDnY+)

143 Honest question:
Doesn't she have to be convicted of something before she can be pardoned?
Posted by: Chi at January 15, 2017 03:38 PM (mB0As)
---------------

Evidently not. I looked up Ford's pardon of Nixon a few months ago and the wording was something like "for any laws he may have broken between (the dates of his presidency)."

Posted by: bluebell at January 15, 2017 03:40 PM (sBOL1)

144 102
Not that I have any pity for them. I guess it's more the "why" - what is the point, now?

To see Web's Daughter installed in the New York Carpetbagger Senate seat.

Posted by: Fox2! at January 15, 2017 03:40 PM (brIR5)

145 @138
Excellent video by Massad Ayoob about what a bad idea it is to roam around with gun in the dark, including mistaken identity (i.e. Police mistaking that armed silhouette that is you for the BG).
That is, if you call 911

Posted by: xnycpeasant at January 15, 2017 03:40 PM (OhTOr)

146 "Doesn't she have to be convicted of something before she can be pardoned?"

No.

Posted by: navybrat at January 15, 2017 03:41 PM (w7KSn)

147 --
Does anyone really, truly, believe that girl with the face and personality of a foot's going to win any sort of office?
---------------

Pelosi, Schumer, Hillary herself, Carol Mosley Braun, Rosa DeLauro, Mitch McConnell, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.etc, ad infinitum.

Posted by: irright at January 15, 2017 03:41 PM (vqzjE)

148 Honest question:
Doesn't she have to be convicted of something before she can be pardoned?

Posted by: Chi at January 15, 2017 03:38 PM (mB0As)

============

No. Look online for the pardon Ford gave Nixon ...

Posted by: ShainS at January 15, 2017 03:41 PM (mt8X9)

149 "why is the Clinton Global Initiative closing its doors for good?"

--------

They want to shred all documents and wipe their servers before The new and improved FBI knocks on the door to have a look.

They have to save as much as they can and move it to Caymens or Davos. After all, Davos is where Bill felt mostly at home.

Posted by: Decaf at January 15, 2017 03:41 PM (WrEuY)

150 Evidently not. I looked up Ford's pardon of Nixon a few months ago and the wording was something like "for any laws he may have broken between (the dates of his presidency)."

Posted by: bluebell at January 15, 2017 03:40 PM (sBOL1)

Won't work in this case.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:42 PM (92kX2)

151 121 Libertarianwannbe:

Meant to say' "Good Point" but it is a "God point" in that Scripture says in 1 Timothy 2:2 that we should pray for our leaders that we may live in peace and in all godliness and holiness.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2017 03:32 PM (tOcW/)

I know this. I know this verse. But I found it very, very difficult to pray for the incumbent. I admit praying that he would be thwarted, and that we would be protected from him, and I was prepared to pray the same way if Hilzebub (and God bless whoever came up with that particular gem!!!) had won the election.

Now, I find myself praying for the safety of Trump, his family and his Cabinet. I think the left is so unhinged, that they will try to harm them, and consider that peaceful and loving. Good is bad, bad is good.

Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at January 15, 2017 03:42 PM (VnCI9)

152 Skip don't know if it's the same stuff, but last year at a rifle match some guys who are in construction and were building some "hardened" guard/entry huts for some private facility brought some of the building material they were putting in the walls.

Every caliber laughed as it penetrated. BBs like .223 didn't make impressive holes, but 54R and 303 could be heard both smirking and laughing as they tore giant holes. Of course it might have been only designed to offer some protection against handgun calibers/velocities.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2017 03:43 PM (QDnY+)

153 TIME OUT!!!!

Posted by: Andy Reid at January 15, 2017 03:43 PM (GsAUU)

154 >>They want to shred all documents and wipe their servers before The new and improved FBI knocks on the door to have a look.

That actually makes sense.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2017 03:43 PM (NOIQH)

155 Posted by: never enough caffeine at January 15, 2017 03:33 PM (wV8s/)

Well, in fairness the pastor said "Even though some of us didn't like the outcome of the election we need to pray for our new leader." and I give the pastor credit who never told anyone who to vote for. I'm sure like many churches there were people there whop voted for Trump but they've never been made out to be villians=nazis, racists, etc

I guess it depends on the church as regards the political talk. My suggestion is to perhaps write to the priest and tell him you feel alienated by what was said since everyone at Mass is a Christian and desires to serve Christ whichever candidate they voted for. As you may know I tell l people that I have been attending the Orthodox Church in America. (Eastern Orthodox Church) when i can( The priests gives homilies but he's never really gotten into the political divide. At one time the churches were one_Eastern and Western but one of the issues they split over is that the OCA didn't believe in having a Pope. My husband who grew up RC said it reminds him very much of Pre vatican II-very solemn and holy, FWIW, but I hear your frustration and I'm sorry.

Every Sunday the OCA in America prays for those in civil authority and for our military. It's part of the liturgy, not something the priest just chooses to do.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2017 03:43 PM (tOcW/)

156 Won't work in this case.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:42 PM (92kX2)
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True, because HCWNBPOTUS! But he could easily put in the dates she served as SoS

Posted by: bluebell at January 15, 2017 03:44 PM (sBOL1)

157 >>"Doesn't she have to be convicted of something before she can be pardoned?"

No. Ex Parte Garland.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 15, 2017 03:44 PM (/tuJf)

158 155-I'm more things than usual today. Meant'"There were people there who voted for Clinton."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2017 03:44 PM (tOcW/)

159
Every Sunday the OCA in America prays for those in civil authority and for our military. It's part of the liturgy, not something the priest just chooses to do.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2017 03:43 PM (tOcW/)

Our Lutheran Church Missouri Synod church does that as well. So I guess I prayed for the incumbent on Sundays, but not daily.

Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at January 15, 2017 03:45 PM (VnCI9)

160 Doesn't she have to be convicted of something before she can be pardoned?

From what I'm reading, no. You can be pardoned for Federal crimes you may have committed.

Posted by: t-bird at January 15, 2017 03:45 PM (ysprU)

161 97. Fenelon
Not us. We listened to a sermon about the evils of the incoming Trump administration. I'm really having problems with the Catholic Church right now.
I don't care if they want to be globalists. Just don't need the US to be.
Let the church fund charities, they are good at it. Very tired of the US government doing it.
I truly believe that the Roman Catholic Church needs to start selling off the magnificent items in the Vatican to help the poor. Everyone at the Vatican needs to start living that vow of poverty.
Posted by: never enough caffeine at January 15, 2017 03:33 PM (wV8s/)

Yup....a few sermons over the last few months have been about helping the "undocumented visitors" and similar commie crapola. Our Priest has finally toned it down to "go forth and do good blah, blah" after getting and earful or two I believe. When was the last time a sermon was preached for you to go and help someone on your own dime and your own time and stop letting the government or even your church do it for you.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 15, 2017 03:46 PM (5VlCp)

162 True, because HCWNBPOTUS! But he could easily put in the dates she served as SoS .

Posted by: bluebell at January 15, 2017 03:44 PM (sBOL1)

No, more likely from 10/26/47-1/20/17.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:46 PM (92kX2)

163 NPR. Yeah, what he said. "Mass deportations" - oh, and what about "the emphasis on criminals! eleventy!!". Ignorant moral narcissism being the pathology AND religion of America's clueless educated classes, this is exactly what one expects.

News flash, ignoramuses: deportation is the basis remedy to illegal entry/presence in the country, regardless of other behavior. Has been since before you were born. Has been, and is, in every country on earth that has a functioning govt.

There's a whole elaborate process to effect deportation, with multiple "defenses" to delay or cancel it, via a parallel judicial system established just for such matters.

An issue that nicely illustrates how colorful trash talk against media personalities and organizations, while welcome and helpful, is only part of the answer.

This is exactly the kind of crap and propaganda that most people believe, and will continue to believe, until someone in authority debunks it. Over and over. Until everyone knows the basics.

So smackdown from the Oval is fine. But without other voices correcting and educating, not just throwing elbows, important actions will be tougher to take, and good luck the nanosecond the political winds shift (for whatever reason).

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2017 03:46 PM (QDnY+)

164 I was trying to keep the gun conversation downstairs, but since that's like herding cats around here, I'll just say thanks for the advice to all.

I keep my old Winchester 12ga beside the bedroom door for home home protection. Plug removed for 2 extra shells.
No worries about over penetration here - the only other life form in the house is the minpin, and I won't be aiming at anyone's ankles...

Posted by: Chi at January 15, 2017 03:46 PM (mB0As)

165 @145. Plus, I am not trained to clear a house.

Clint Eastwood's "Man's gotta know his limitations" is excellent advice."

Who knew Dirty Harry was so philosophical?

Posted by: Blake at January 15, 2017 03:47 PM (WEBkv)

166 The only wall that had the Waco composite was between the waiting area to courtesy reception.

Posted by: Skip at January 15, 2017 03:48 PM (yx0Ld)

167
There are times when I think the Big Guy upstairs has a sick sense of humor.

Just got back from HEB, which was a madhouse. I get into the checkout line behind a woman who is VERY pleasing to look at, think 35 yr old Mary Lou Retton with ginormous boobs. She loads up $300 of groceries and just when the cashier finishes ringing it up she cries out "Oh. I left my wallet in the car. I'll be right back." And she runs out, leaving me and the other 6 people in line hanging. Thanks, lady.

Luckily, she must do some serious cardio. Because she's back in about 90 seconds. Just in time to start pulling out coupons...... Arrrrrrgggghhhhh.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 15, 2017 03:48 PM (LuZz8)

168 80 I am not a gun expert, but if buying a handgun to use in home defense, maybe a smaller caliber might be wise? Less chance of over-penetration, and injuring or killing a family member in the next room, or a neighbor in the adjoining apartment? Also less noise, so less risk of permanent hearing loss? After all, you won't have time to put plugs in your ears, or don ear muffs if a real self-defense situation arises.

One round from a .22 might not drop an intruder, but the whole mag probably will.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 15, 2017 03:22 PM (bG+ug)

If overpenetration is a concern you can use hollow points or frangible rounds to reduce the risk.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 15, 2017 03:48 PM (0mRoj)

169 Hmm. Who's sent troops thru Poland lately?

/1939 Hitler, followed by Stalin
1940/1941 Hitler
1944/1945 Stalin

2017 Obama

Posted by: Fox2! at January 15, 2017 03:49 PM (brIR5)

170 155. Fenelon.
Thank you for the advice. Just cannot do it. I have a major aversion to any type of conflict. Have had this problem since childhood.
I will continue to grin and bear it. Would love to take a short break from it all. Unfortunatly my husband would be very disappointed if I did. Again there's that aversion to conflict.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at January 15, 2017 03:49 PM (wV8s/)

171 Why do good things have to come to an end, and not necessarily bad things?

Posted by: Insomniac at January 15, 2017 03:50 PM (0mRoj)

172 Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:07 PM (92kX2)

35 Definitely will not carry. Don't know anything about caliber or type.

Oh ... then I misunderstood. So you're thinking gun for the home ? Do I have that right now ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 15, 2017 03:07 PM (fiGNd)

Sorry--had to get ready to out to dinner. Yes--home protection only. I did come back and read the posts, and I have jotted down notes. I will review again when I get back from dinner. Thank you all for your patience and responses.

Posted by: Libertarianwannabe at January 15, 2017 03:50 PM (nQ10o)

173 I read where PITA was targeting all the animals in the circus to be removed..PITA next target: Zoos, They believe all zoos should be closed and the animals sent back to where they came from.

Posted by: Colin at January 15, 2017 03:50 PM (ogUTd)

174 Luckily, she must do some serious cardio. Because she's back in about 90 seconds. Just in time to start pulling out coupons...... Arrrrrrgggghhhhh.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 15, 2017 03:48 PM (LuZz

So she was very svelte, with big boobs, and ran out to the car and back....

I'm sorry, what were you saying?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:50 PM (92kX2)

175 Not us. We listened to a sermon about the evils of the incoming Trump administration. I'm really having problems with the Catholic Church right now.
I don't care if they want to be globalists. Just don't need the US to be.
Let the church fund charities, they are good at it. Very tired of the US government doing it.
I truly believe that the Roman Catholic Church needs to start selling off the magnificent items in the Vatican to help the poor. Everyone at the Vatican needs to start living that vow of poverty.
Posted by: never enough caffeine at January 15, 2017 03:33 PM
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I used to belong to a parish that did that gave that sort of sermon.;

Notice the past tense.

If you're in an area that has numerous Catholic Churches, start shopping for a new parish. Audition a new one every week. There are those that don't talk politics or even (gasp!) global warming.

Posted by: shibumi, who requires a cute kitty story stat! at January 15, 2017 03:50 PM (J5mC3)

176 Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at January 15, 2017 03:42 PM (VnCI9)

Yes; It is very hard to pray for people we think are harmful to the country, and I obviously;y think Obama is not a good man and not a good President at all,. but I have to say the OCA praying for our leader is very generic. God knows what Obama needs and God knows what the country needs. If we pray for people who are our enemies we are fulfilling God's commands. It doesn't mean that we want them to be successful in their plans. It means we realize that only God can change their hearts.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2017 03:51 PM (tOcW/)

177 I look forward to Friday afternoon, when Trump is going to stand up in front of the press and say "Go ahead and say it! Say it! Say "Mr. President! Bwahahahaha."

Posted by: Roy at January 15, 2017 03:51 PM (fWLrt)

178 with ginormous boobs. ...Because she's back in
about 90 seconds. Just in time to start pulling out coupons......
Arrrrrrgggghhhhh.

So Slightly More IllTemperedCur with boggle eyes.

Posted by: DaveA at January 15, 2017 03:52 PM (8J/Te)

179 So...Joss Whedon has official lost it. Wow.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hl7hmjg

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2017 03:52 PM (NOIQH)

180 I'm sorry that some of my fellow Catholics here have had to hear that kind of stuff from the pulpit. We are very fortunate in that regard. I sometimes forget just how fortunate we are until I am away and attending church somewhere else.

We should always be praying for our elected officials and our military. And priests should not be pontificating about politicians. The most our priests ever say is "vote like you're Catholic." Every person there knows what that means (whether they vote that way or not, but I suspect the vast majority vote Republican).

Posted by: bluebell at January 15, 2017 03:52 PM (sBOL1)

181 As the first commentor there mentioned, 2 Peter 2 is fulfilled in our lifetimes.

Fenelon! Anyone! Hello!

http://bit.ly/2jyCb18

Posted by: weirdflunky at January 15, 2017 03:52 PM (c28cZ)

182
Yes; It is very hard to pray for people we think are harmful to the country, and I obviously;y think Obama is not a good man and not a good President at all,. but I have to say the OCA praying for our leader is very generic. God knows what Obama needs and God knows what the country needs. If we pray for people who are our enemies we are fulfilling God's commands. It doesn't mean that we want them to be successful in their plans. It means we realize that only God can change their hearts.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2017 03:51 PM (tOcW/)

Thanks for the perspective-it's good to have the AOSHQ resident chaplain for times such as this!!! : )

Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at January 15, 2017 03:52 PM (VnCI9)

183 Morons,

How was the ice storm in the Kansas City area?

Worse than expected?

Not so bad?

Posted by: logprof at January 15, 2017 03:53 PM (GsAUU)

184 My husband who went to catholic school and his whole family is very catholic has decided that we are no longer catholic. He feels the church has deviated too far from biblical scripture.

Posted by: lindafell de spair deplorable xenophobic redneck at January 15, 2017 03:53 PM (JNDQi)

185 Closing the Clinton Global influence-Peddling Initiative?

But I thought they do somuch good.

/s

Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 15, 2017 03:53 PM (EZebt)

186 If you're in an area that has numerous Catholic Churches, start shopping for a new parish. Audition a new one every week. There are those that don't talk politics or even (gasp!) global warming.
Posted by: shibumi, who requires a cute kitty story stat! at January 15, 2017 03:50 PM (J5mC3)

Look up Latin mass in your area. If a church holds one, it is likely the most conservative parish in the area.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2017 03:53 PM (92kX2)

187 Barry promised to get a divorce. His marriage will be over soon. Yay gay!

Posted by: Reggie at January 15, 2017 03:53 PM (bc2Lc)

188
Plus, I am not trained to clear a house.

Posted by: Blake at January 15, 2017 03:47 PM (WEBkv)

Personally, I recommend a flamethrower.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 15, 2017 03:54 PM (LuZz8)

189 {{bluebell}} {{insomniac}}

how are y'all doing today?

Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at January 15, 2017 03:54 PM (VnCI9)

190 I went to the circus as a kid and my feeling was...meh.

As an adult I saw Cirque du Soleil and my gut reaction toward the poignant Euro-clowns was more blecch.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 15, 2017 03:54 PM (EnKk6)

191 >>They believe all zoos should be closed and the animals sent back to where they came from.

Never mind that zoos are helping save endangered species and that a lot of the ones PETA wants them to "free" were born in the zoo. Whatever, dude, as long as PETA can claim they've "saved" some animals it's all good.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2017 03:55 PM (NOIQH)

192 @176. If God can use Saul of Tarsus, I suspect the Obama's have a chance too.

Hence my prayers for the family. Maybe mom and dad are too far gone, but there are always the daughters.

Posted by: Blake at January 15, 2017 03:55 PM (WEBkv)

193 >> I read where PITA was targeting all the animals in the circus to be removed..PITA next target: Zoos, They believe all zoos should be closed and the animals sent back to where they came from.

I'm of two minds on this issue. I'm not supporter of PETA, I think they are whack jobs. But on the other hand I'm not a huge fan of zoos.

I've been fortunate enough to go on a couple picture taking safaris in Africa and animals act differently in captivity. I don't think you can have animals that are used to roaming vast areas and lock them is relatively small areas and not expect that they will act differently.

On the other hand, I know that the vast majority of people will never get to see many of these animals in the flesh without zoos. Tough issue.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 15, 2017 03:55 PM (/tuJf)

194 173 I read where PITA was targeting all the animals in the circus to be removed..PITA next target: Zoos, They believe all zoos should be closed and the animals sent back to where they came from.
Posted by: Colin at January 15, 2017 03:50 PM (ogUTd)

They don't believe in pets, either.

Posted by: rickl at January 15, 2017 03:55 PM (sdi6R)

195 "He feels the church has deviated too far from biblical scripture."

Exhibit A, Crazy Francis.

Posted by: navybrat at January 15, 2017 03:55 PM (w7KSn)

196 Hi there, Moki! Doing well. I was laid low by some crud virus for a bit this week, but I think I'm finally out of the woods.

How about you? How's the knee?

Posted by: bluebell at January 15, 2017 03:56 PM (sBOL1)

197 Selling off the priceless art, etc in the Vatican would "help the poor" for maybe a few weeks until the money ran out, and the stuff would probably end up in the hands of some private collector who would lock it up where no one, rich or poor, could see it or enjoy it. No one in the Vatican gets personally rich from "owning" the Sistine Chapel, which is open to the public so everyone can be inspired by it. I get the disgruntlement with the left leanings of the Catholic clergy of late, but selling off the "treasures of the Vatican" is no solution.

Posted by: Secret Square at January 15, 2017 03:56 PM (9WuX0)

198 OT-This is something I learned today

In doing the Lord's Prayer they end it with "Deliver us from the evil one" not "deliver us from evil" I have never been a church that said that. I asked the visiting Bishop why they said that and he said "It's in the original languages" and because "evil" is rather "an amorphous. term"" The OCA takes seriously a belief in Satan.. I told him I appreciated that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2017 03:57 PM (tOcW/)

199 Zoos are also safe havens for many animals who would otherwise be extinct but for zoos.

Posted by: navybrat at January 15, 2017 03:57 PM (w7KSn)

200 Mr. President, why did you choose to disrespect Congressman John Lewis, who fought the forces of Jim Crow, especially on this most Holy of weekends to Honor the Father of our country The Reverend Martin Luther King, peace be upon him?

Posted by: CNN Plant at January 15, 2017 03:57 PM (OhTOr)

201 My favorite part of the circus as a kid (other than leaving) was listening to the ringmaster who had a deep baritone and sounded like an archangel calling down from above.

Posted by: Roy at January 15, 2017 03:57 PM (fWLrt)

202 For home defense & cc duty too: I really like my .380 Bersa Thunder .380 compact, good looking, easy to shoot, not super high powered but much better than .22 lr

and I like that it's basically a knockoff of the good old Walther PPK.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 15, 2017 03:57 PM (V2Yro)

203 PITA next target: Zoos, They believe all zoos should be closed and the animals sent back to where they came from.
Posted by: Colin at January 15, 2017 03:50 PM (ogUTd)

Should be interesting for the animals bred in captivity. Their idea of hunting or foraging is standing by the empty food dish at 5 pm.

Posted by: all doubt removed at January 15, 2017 03:57 PM (Z+wR7)

204 Posted by: Secret Square at January 15, 2017 03:56 PM (9WuX0)

I agree with you.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2017 03:57 PM (tOcW/)

205 173 I read where PITA was targeting all the animals in the circus to be removed..PITA next target: Zoos, They believe all zoos should be closed and the animals sent back to where they came from.
Posted by: Colin at January 15, 2017 03:50 PM (ogUTd)

They don't believe in pets, either.

Posted by: rickl
****

Or using them to develop life saving medications... like insulin.
They had a leader who is diabetic.
PETA is not about animals. It's another scam to gain money and political power while damaging America.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at January 15, 2017 03:58 PM (hVdx9)

206 My husband who went to catholic school and his whole family is very catholic has decided that we are no longer catholic. He feels the church has deviated too far from biblical scripture.
Posted by: lindafell de spair deplorable xenophobic redneck at January 15, 2017 03:53 PM (JNDQi)
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Linda, try a different parish if you can. There are some awful parishes and some wonderful ones. Are you in the Austin area? Maybe I can ask around for you.

Posted by: bluebell at January 15, 2017 03:58 PM (sBOL1)

207 199 Zoos are also safe havens for many animals who would otherwise be extinct but for zoos.
Posted by: navybrat at January 15, 2017 03:57 PM (w7KSn)

What are you saying? What have you heard?

Posted by: Paranoid Panda at January 15, 2017 03:58 PM (92kX2)

208 Woo hoo, Curt, Terry, Howie, Jimmy, and Michael are on!

Ugh, but Joe Buck is on as well.

Posted by: logprof at January 15, 2017 03:58 PM (GsAUU)

209 175. Shibumi.
We already did our shopping around. We moved here in June 2015. The first church we joined drove us away in 6months. Week after week of pleas for money, money raising events, etc.
We started attending different churches. We really liked this one. It's not a parish, it's a faith community. Everyone was exceptionally friendly.
Then the election reared it's ugly head. Not the first time I have wanted to walk out and not come back.
I truly believe that there isn't a path to reuniting the US. We are just too divided. The media hasn't helped and now churches seem to think they need to be in on dividing us.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at January 15, 2017 04:00 PM (wV8s/)

210 --

So...Joss Whedon has official lost it. Wow.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hl7hmjg

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2017 03:52 PM
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Did he just pick a repub at random? Is this dipshit so ignorant that he thinks Paul Ryan is the guy that the left should fear the most?

Posted by: irright at January 15, 2017 04:00 PM (vqzjE)

211 Woo hoo, Curt, Terry, Howie, Jimmy, and Michael are on!

Ugh, but Joe Buck is on as well.

Hopefully this will be better than the Brady toungue bath we were treated to last night. Sheesh, enough already. He's not Jesus.

Posted by: Pete Seria at January 15, 2017 04:00 PM (lJW6d)

212
199 Zoos are also safe havens for many animals who would otherwise be extinct but for zoos.

Posted by: navybrat at January 15, 2017 03:57 PM (w7KSn)

The California Condor being one of the most famous examples.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 15, 2017 04:01 PM (LuZz8)

213 199 Zoos are also safe havens for many animals who would otherwise be extinct but for zoos.
Posted by: navybrat at January 15, 2017 03:57 PM (w7KSn)

What are you saying? What have you heard?

Posted by: Paranoid Panda
****

Pssst. Animals that need massive amounts of help to breed, SHOULD be extinct.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at January 15, 2017 04:01 PM (hVdx9)

214 Remember, PeTArds would rather take your pet poodle and kill it in the back of a van than have it "suffer" under your loving care.
They don't give a rat's ass about the welfare of animals, as evidenced over and over by their actions.

Note - the only letter in their acronym/logo that is NOT capitalized is the e for ethical.

Posted by: Chi at January 15, 2017 04:01 PM (mB0As)

215 I think Whedon meant to say RINO and not rhino, but that's not news since they're doing that all the time to each other up on the Hill.

Posted by: Roy at January 15, 2017 04:01 PM (fWLrt)

216 196 Hi there, Moki! Doing well. I was laid low by some crud virus for a bit this week, but I think I'm finally out of the woods.

How about you? How's the knee?

Posted by: bluebell at January 15, 2017 03:56 PM (sBOL1)

It was singing higher than I was at church this morning, but I was able to get up and go-which I haven't been able to do since Christmas. I am going to postpone surgery for it, because it looks like my daughter will have to have her other foot reconstructed, and we can't both be down at the same time.

I'm sorry you had the crud-that is just miserable. Keep drinking chicken soup and lots of hot sweet tea with bourbon or rum.

Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at January 15, 2017 04:02 PM (VnCI9)

217 I would encourage the Roman Catholics to look around for other RC parishes. I am not RC, of course, but I think having the Eucharist every week is a great source of spiritual strength and might miss that if you had been attending the RCC and didn't have that every week.

** The Orthodox Church in America also has weekly communion" :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2017 04:02 PM (tOcW/)

218 For home defense & cc duty too: I really like my .380 Bersa Thunder .380 compact, good looking, easy to shoot, not super high powered but much better than .22 lr and I like that it's basically a knockoff of the good old Walther PPK.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 15, 2017 03:57 PM (V2Yro)

Excellent choice!....plus hundreds cheaper than the PPK but just as good.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 15, 2017 04:02 PM (5VlCp)

219 Oops. Must have Ctrl-P'd twice. Sorry about that.
That's what navybrat's elephants said!

Posted by: michael scott at January 15, 2017 04:03 PM (lJXY3)

220 how are y'all doing today?
Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at January 15, 2017 03:54 PM (VnCI9)

Hugs right back!

I'm OK-ish. Trying not to think too much about things. How are you?

Posted by: Insomniac at January 15, 2017 04:03 PM (0mRoj)

221 Pssst. Animals that need massive amounts of help to breed, SHOULD be extinct.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at January 15, 2017 04:01 PM (hVdx9)

It was cold. I wasn't in the mood. She did not do anything for me. I had to wash my fur that night. She had bad breath.

Posted by: Paranoid Panda at January 15, 2017 04:03 PM (92kX2)

222 Whedon lives in the Bubble.

The same one Hillary lived in. Until hers got popped on November 9th.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at January 15, 2017 04:04 PM (ewrgV)

223 Zoos also provide excellent animal education, particularly kids. How many kids would be interested or learn anything about animals like hippos, pandas, polar bears and lemurs, etc, if they didn't get to see them close-up at the zoo?
The Denver zoo has been building out bigger pens for the animal so that they have space to roam as well as provide the ability for visitors to see them in different ways, such as the Elephant Passage that includes multiple areas to roam linked by overhead bridges (for the elephants!).

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2017 04:04 PM (NOIQH)

224
Pssst. Animals that need massive amounts of help to breed, SHOULD be extinct.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at January 15, 2017 04:01 PM (hVdx9)

Plus, endangered species annoy me. When I go to Panda Express, I expect to see Panda on the menu.

But nooooooooo.....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 15, 2017 04:06 PM (LuZz8)

225 Any note you can sing, Moki can sing higher
Moki can sing any note higher than you!

BTW, food thread nood.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 15, 2017 04:06 PM (lJXY3)

226 Pssst. Animals that need massive amounts of help to breed, SHOULD be extinct.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at January 15, 2017 04:01 PM (hVdx9)

It was cold. I wasn't in the mood. She did not do anything for me. I had to wash my fur that night. She had bad breath.

Posted by: Paranoid Panda
****

(Reads book- 100 ways to Serve Panda)

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at January 15, 2017 04:06 PM (hVdx9)

227 >>Did he just pick a repub at random? Is this dipshit so ignorant that he
thinks Paul Ryan is the guy that the left should fear the most?

The Left is gunning for Paul Ryan over PP funding - pretty sure Ryan has said he will or is considering a cut to the funding.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2017 04:06 PM (NOIQH)

228 Does anyone know of a good inexpensive substitute for Post It notes?

I use them up pretty quickly, and my official stock has run low. I got some from the Dollar Store... big mistake.

Know looking for off brand Post It notes is lame, but its something I use a lot then throw out, so I don't necessarily want to spend $6- $8 for them.

Posted by: shibumi, who requires a cute kitty story stat! at January 15, 2017 04:07 PM (J5mC3)

229 Ringling Brothers should have known that PETA and their allies would never have been happy with them just cutting the Elephant Act.

Negotiating with the Left is the same as negotiating with Death. A pointless effort which one will always lose.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 15, 2017 04:07 PM (V2Yro)

230 Hopefully this will be better than the Brady tongue bath we were treated to last night. Sheesh, enough already. He's not Jesus.

I live in New England but can't stand the Patriots. It gets old, the one-sided bromances with Brady and certain announcers. Phil's the worst--loves him some Brady for sure.

Watching Brady's tantrums was fun.

Posted by: squeakywheel at January 15, 2017 04:08 PM (8H4Pg)

231 Pssst. Animals that need massive amounts of help to breed, SHOULD be extinct.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at January 15, 2017 04:01 PM (hVdx9)

Plus, endangered species annoy me. When I go to Panda Express, I expect to see Panda on the menu.

But nooooooooo.....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur
****

Totally false advertising.

Not made by pandas.
Not made for pandas.
Contains NO PANDA!

I am sooo suing!

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at January 15, 2017 04:08 PM (hVdx9)

232 Never Enough Caffine @209

There is sound logic to what you say. Divisions in this country are many but are also reinforcing.
We are split economically, racially, spiritually, geographically, politically and the list goes on. Further, we tend to believe these divides are real whether they are or not.
In many ways like America in 1859.
On the upside we move along Pretty much on initeria.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 15, 2017 04:08 PM (0tfLf)

233 Leftism in every way is all about stage 1 thinking

Posted by: Skip at January 15, 2017 04:09 PM (yx0Ld)

234 The increasingly insane left .

http://tinyurl.com/hl7hmjg

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2017 04:09 PM (r/0kC)

235 >> Pssst. Animals that need massive amounts of help to breed, SHOULD be extinct.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale

It's even funnier with your nic. Human-killer Tilikum died right as Sea World phased out killer whale show...

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2017 04:09 PM (NOIQH)

236 linked by overhead bridges (for the elephants!).

There are zoo-goers who want to look up at an elephant's business?

Those are some amazing people...

Posted by: ...for me to poop on! at January 15, 2017 04:10 PM (UzBQ4)

237 223 Zoos also provide excellent animal education, particularly kids. How many kids would be interested or learn anything about animals like hippos, pandas, polar bears and lemurs, etc, if they didn't get to see them close-up at the zoo?
The Denver zoo has been building out bigger pens for the animal so that they have space to roam as well as provide the ability for visitors to see them in different ways, such as the Elephant Passage that includes multiple areas to roam linked by overhead bridges (for the elephants!).

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2017 04:04 PM (NOIQH)

--Just a few years ago, Winnipeg's Assiniboine Park Zoo opened a new Journey to Churchill exhibit. http://www.assiniboineparkzoo.ca/zoo/home/explore/exhibits/journey-to-churchill

The zoo had polar bears before, but this new space allowed visitors to get closer than ever before. When I went there in 2014 there were 4 polar bears there, only one of which, Hudson, was born in captivity. He was fearlessly indifferent to humans, while the other three were shy. My little boy, who adores all bears but especially polar bears, walked right up to the glass (which was bordering an open doorway only closed by mesh, but guarded by an attendant) and was tranwsfixed by Hudson, who was chomping on a giant chew toy and hamming it up. A good time was had by all.

Posted by: logprof at January 15, 2017 04:11 PM (GsAUU)

238 Plus, endangered species annoy me. When I go to Panda Express, I expect to see Panda on the menu.

But nooooooooo.....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur
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I was so very disappointed to learn that duck sauce isn't made of ducks. I never truly enjoyed eating egg rolls after that day.

Posted by: Chi at January 15, 2017 04:12 PM (mB0As)

239 171 Why do good things have to come to an end, and not necessarily bad things?
Posted by: Insomniac at January 15, 2017 03:50 PM (0mRoj)
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Some bad things do come to an end.
And some good things last forever.
And some things we think are good are not really good.
And some things we think are bad are not really bad.
And some things that end have not really ended.
And somethings that persist are really dead.
And some answers are wise.
And some answers are ....weasels.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 15, 2017 04:12 PM (Nox3c)

240 I see on Drudge that the outgoing CIA director is telling Trump to shut his mouth. I swear the PE has no end of heartfelt sincere advice doesn't he.

Posted by: Tuna at January 15, 2017 04:16 PM (JSovD)

241 Time out!!!

Posted by: Jim Harbaugh at January 15, 2017 04:16 PM (GsAUU)

242 food up

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at January 15, 2017 04:16 PM (mpXpK)

243 Imagine the outcry if a CIA director had told Obama to "shut up" before he entered office.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2017 04:17 PM (r/0kC)

244 Whedon lives in the Bubble.

The same one Hillary lived in. Until hers got popped on November 9th.

-
CSPAN had an author on yesterday discussing his book Einstein's Biggest Mistake which, apparently, is about Einstein having such poor social skills that he alienated many people. It sounded interesting so I DVDed it. I started to watch and noticed it was recorded on 11/1/16. He began speaking of the vastness of space, it's just empty, like Trump's brain. I deleted the program and thought that in ten days he'll be curled up in the fetal position mumbling, "Make it stop. Make it stop."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at January 15, 2017 04:18 PM (Nwg0u)

245 Animals that need massive amounts of help to breed, SHOULD be extinct.

-
Don't they know about alcohol?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at January 15, 2017 04:20 PM (Nwg0u)

246 Did [Joss "Whedon] just pick a repub at random? Is this dipshit so ignorant that he
thinks Paul Ryan is the guy that the left should fear the most?
Rhino on RINO violence!

Posted by: andycanuck at January 15, 2017 04:21 PM (lJXY3)

247 239 171 Why do good things have to come to an end, and not necessarily bad things?
Posted by: Insomniac at January 15, 2017 03:50 PM (0mRoj)
------------------------------
Some bad things do come to an end.
And some good things last forever.
And some things we think are good are not really good.
And some things we think are bad are not really bad.
And some things that end have not really ended.
And somethings that persist are really dead.
And some answers are wise.
And some answers are ....weasels.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 15, 2017 04:12 PM (Nox3c)

Sounds like one of those motivational posters or plaques. Except for the weasels part.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 15, 2017 04:21 PM (0mRoj)

248 161 97.
I truly believe that the Roman Catholic Church needs to start selling off the magnificent items in the Vatican to help the poor. Everyone at the Vatican needs to start living that vow of poverty.
Posted by: never enough caffeine at January 15, 2017 03:33 PM (wV8s/)

To whom will they sell it? And how will its value be appraised, especially items that were donated by various people over the centuries with no particular price affixed? Will it be like an estate sale in which the famous pieces are bought first and then in the last few days, the tapestries sell for pennies per yard and filll-a-box for two euros?

Seriously, I was at the Detroit Institute of Arts for an exhibition of angel-related art and one of the topics of discussion was how much time and effort were put into preserving the collection and making it available to the world. The total budget was less than my local school district, probably because those nuns and monks aren't on salary.

If the art were sold, I've no doubt a lot of it would disappear from view. Or as a particularly nasty classmate said when the topic of religious art and literature came up, "I'd love to have a party with a big bonfire." At the very least, it would be like the religious art of France: the art was removed from its religious settings and made harmless by mixing it among secular.

(There was a fancy reliquary I thought would make a fine vase. I'd just need to pry it open and throw out the martyr's liver.)

Posted by: NaughtyPine at January 15, 2017 04:21 PM (UwMHj)

249 Don't they know about alcohol?
---

Sigh.

It's hard for those without opposable thumbs to hold a glass.

Posted by: shibumi, who requires a cute kitty story stat! at January 15, 2017 04:21 PM (J5mC3)

250 I read where PITA was targeting all the animals in the circus to be removed..PITA next target: Zoos, They believe all zoos should be closed and the animals sent back to where they came from.

Posted by: Colin at January 15, 2017 03:50 PM (ogUTd)

Texas has more exotic animals than all the zoos in America.

Posted by: gNewt at January 15, 2017 04:24 PM (jcSzd)

251 It's even funnier with your nic. Human-killer Tilikum died right as Sea World phased out killer whale show...

Posted by: Lizzy
****

My work was done.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at January 15, 2017 04:25 PM (hVdx9)

252 I read where PITA was targeting all the animals in the circus to be removed..PITA next target: Zoos, They believe all zoos should be closed and the animals sent back to where they came from.

Posted by: Colin at January 15, 2017 03:50 PM (ogUTd)

Texas has more exotic animals than all the zoos in America.

Posted by: gNewt
****

And according to my trip thru Texas, at least half of them lay squished on the road!

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at January 15, 2017 04:26 PM (hVdx9)

253 And according to my trip thru Texas, at least half of them lay squished on the road!
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That's why we have turkey buzzards, duh! They clean all of that right up.......

Posted by: lindafell de spair deplorable xenophobic redneck at January 15, 2017 04:29 PM (JNDQi)

254 I am big. It's the SeaWorld show that got small.

Posted by: zombie tilikum at January 15, 2017 04:29 PM (lJXY3)

255 To date, there's no indication from the FSM/administration that Skankles has done anything wrong. No transgression, no pardon.

I'd bet money that some BS transgression will come out and Barky will pardon her. Skankles and Bubba will be Obama's political bitches. For the rest of their lives.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 15, 2017 04:30 PM (6Z8Cl)

256 Oops, Texas has more exotic wildlife than any other place on the planet.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/l3e5jj3

Posted by: gNewt at January 15, 2017 04:31 PM (jcSzd)

257 215 I think Whedon meant to say RINO and not rhino, but that's not news since they're doing that all the time to each other up on the Hill.
Posted by: Roy at January 15, 2017 04:01 PM (fWLrt)

That's funny!

Posted by: NaughtyPine at January 15, 2017 04:32 PM (UwMHj)

258 #PossibleTrumpTweet

Fired John Brennan should take his musallah with him.

Posted by: DaveA at January 15, 2017 04:34 PM (8J/Te)

259 Nood, go eat now.

Posted by: DaveA at January 15, 2017 04:36 PM (8J/Te)

260 Ahhh, the old anti-papist vast wealth of the Vatican argument. Better men then me have been beating that one down for 500 years.

Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2017 05:51 PM (2RVmA)

261 Hope I'm not too late. Fenelon, you refer to the OCA, but it might be helpful to others to note that the Orthodox Church is divided into jurisdictions but united in Liturgy and doctrine. My home parish is OCA, but I would be able to take Communion at a Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Serbian Orthodox, etc parish. Since we are so thin on the ground in the US, there is a lot of crossover and many of us go to church where we can. The OCA is actually a child of the Russian Orthodox Church, and while self-governing, some aspects of its status are still under debate. But that's all jurisdictional, not theological. Roman Catholics who are unhappy with the modern RC church may find themselves back at home in Orthodoxy. In my parish, I'd say half the members are former RC/Episcopalian and half are former Baptists/Methodists, with a few "cradle" Orthodox. I'm glad to know you're still attending Liturgy and that it's meaningful for you and your husband.

Posted by: Miss Sippi at January 15, 2017 05:52 PM (ByoS/)

262 Wrong circus closing down.

Posted by: TD at January 15, 2017 07:02 PM (bI7cJ)

263 I'm sad that the circus is closing. The bastards at PETA put a stake through its heart with their attacks on the elephants. Those people could fuck up a wet dream.

BUT the CLYDE BEATTY CIRCUS under the Big Top is still touring! if you want an authentic, turn of the century circus, they're the ones to see. Under that tent, a three-ring circus is practically in your lap. Really a cool experience, and great for the kids.

http://beattycircus.com/

I saw them in Brooklyn under the big top. Tom Sawyer would have felt right at home. :-)

Posted by: Beverly at January 16, 2017 12:49 AM (mS6HC)

264 Oh, fuck no. PETA also destroyed the other circuses: "As of 2016 the show was essentially defunct, in large part due to being targeted by animal rights protests."

Like I said, these leftwingers can fuck up a wet dream. Fuck them all to hell.

Posted by: Beverly at January 16, 2017 12:53 AM (mS6HC)

265 posted by FenelonSpoke;
" If we pray for people who are our enemies we are fulfilling God's commands."
I do not understand this. Please enlighten me.

Posted by: Nick Danger,Third Eye at January 16, 2017 09:17 PM (vN61z)

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