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Horrifying: 12 Year Old Livestreams Her Suicide-by-Hanging

Really terrible.

But the real victims of a suicide are those left behind to pick up the pieces.

A tormented Georgia girl hanged herself in her front yard and live streamed it...

Katelyn Nicole Davis, 12, filmed her suicide outside her Cedartown home on Dec. 30 after sharing that she had been sexually abused by a family member.

The footage shows the tragic pre-teen dangling from a tree for about 20 minutes while a woman shouts her name off camera.

Cops didn’t arrive in time to save her, and she was pronounced dead at the Polk Medical Center.

Many suicides contain an expressive component, and the wide reach of the internet makes that express-yourself-by-ending-yourself drive more potent.

Posted by: Ace at 02:57 PM




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1 So very sad. Thoughts and prayers for her family.

Posted by: PAgirlinNC at January 13, 2017 02:52 PM (/5WQL)

2 No words.

Posted by: Popcorn at January 13, 2017 02:54 PM (XH/zt)

3 Unfortunately, this is real news.

Posted by: Roy at January 13, 2017 02:55 PM (VndSC)

4 3rd!!!

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 13, 2017 02:55 PM (vP09u)

5 Sonofabitch. I'm about to puke.

Posted by: Eromero at January 13, 2017 02:55 PM (zLDYs)

6 5th

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 13, 2017 02:55 PM (vP09u)

7 I don't really want to clink link.

Posted by: Carol at January 13, 2017 02:56 PM (sj3Ax)

8 The dystopia they always told me about turns out to be facebook

Posted by: Lord Sir x at January 13, 2017 02:56 PM (nFwvY)

9 This is why I support the death penalty for child molesters.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 13, 2017 02:56 PM (4WhSY)

10
What's most sad is this little girl couldn't even fathom the finality of death, I'm assuming.

Here's a little girl who probably imagined her "death" and "funeral" as an episode in her ongoing life.

Posted by: Soothsayer XLT at January 13, 2017 02:58 PM (/fs7H)

11 "But whoever shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." - Matthew 18:6

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at January 13, 2017 02:58 PM (BWL+E)

12 Horrifying. Thoughts and prayers for the people who love that little girl.

Posted by: gapoz at January 13, 2017 02:58 PM (thyJJ)

13
And can we please cut the shit with giving CHILDREN internet access??


Posted by: Soothsayer XLT at January 13, 2017 02:58 PM (/fs7H)

14 Dear Lord.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 13, 2017 02:59 PM (mbhDw)

15
Why the hell are parents giving their kids unsupervised access to the internet?? It's fucking idiotic for a thousand good reasons.

Posted by: Soothsayer XLT at January 13, 2017 03:00 PM (/fs7H)

16 Sorry, I never read the content. The frustrating thing is, there is no solution, yet.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 13, 2017 03:00 PM (vP09u)

17 The guy who burned himself to death in protest of abuse by the divorce court system a few years ago, and was roundly ignored, could not be reached for comment.

Posted by: Apostate at January 13, 2017 03:00 PM (JQ6Wh)

18 Not what I wanted to see on a Friday afternoon. Pray for her family.

Posted by: Skip at January 13, 2017 03:00 PM (yx0Ld)

19 Wow. Picking up the pieces doesn't even begin to describe it when you don't even know what pieces are real and which ones aren't. With these allegations and the suspicions thus generated the family cannot even pull together for mutual support.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Infested With Russians? Use Commie-B-Gon! Available at the Outrage Outlet at January 13, 2017 03:00 PM (hLRSq)

20
Happenings like theses make me *want* to hurt people.

Its probably for the best that I never actually meet the pukes that cause the damage or I would probably be giving into my wants.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 13, 2017 03:00 PM (8XRCm)

21 Not a very cheery post. Suicide at her age is very hard to understand.


Have a nice MLK weekend, love those you love.

Posted by: Cary at January 13, 2017 03:01 PM (lEhiV)

22 I pray for my two daughters, constantly that God protect them from such awful circumstances. This just rips your heart out.

Posted by: Pete Seria at January 13, 2017 03:01 PM (lJW6d)

23 Teen suicide is an epidemic that has been in the shadows of our society and has gone on far too long.
How terribly tragic.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 13, 2017 03:01 PM (0tfLf)

24 saw this yesterday. such a tragedy.

technology ain't all that great

Posted by: Rick in SK at January 13, 2017 03:01 PM (/CIN4)

25 My cousin's eldest shot himself while the rest of the family was out a couple of years ago.

It was on purpose. He suffered from a very painful spine condition and decided he couldn't take it anymore.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 13, 2017 03:01 PM (zdM/+)

26
I know a "mom" with a 6 year old with her own phone w/internet! And this 6 year old knows how to navigate the net like a pro!



Posted by: Soothsayer XLT at January 13, 2017 03:01 PM (/fs7H)

27 I think we should find the family member who sexually abused her and livestream his shrieks as we burn him alive, feet first.

That's my expressive component.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 13, 2017 03:02 PM (BP2E4)

28 Aw, Hell...

Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2017 03:02 PM (NOIQH)

29 23
Teen suicide is an epidemic that has been in the shadows of our society and has gone on far too long.

How terribly tragic.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 13, 2017 03:01 PM (0tfLf)

We don't know the family situation, but in my area when this happens, it is usually a child from a broken family.

Too many people have kids and think they are puppy dogs they can ignore if they don't suit them.

Posted by: Cary at January 13, 2017 03:03 PM (lEhiV)

30 Horrible. Yet in the pictures I've seen online of her, she looks so happy, alive and vibrant. RIP.

Posted by: NCKate at January 13, 2017 03:03 PM (J1ZXn)

31 7 I don't really want to clink link.
Posted by: Carol
-----------

It's just the s tory, Carol. No video.

That said, it's a story u could've gone the rest of my life without reading.
So awful. Prayers for that poor family.
May God embrace that child...

Time to log off for a while, now.

Posted by: Chi at January 13, 2017 03:03 PM (LUZrI)

32 And, not blaming anyone, but from the pictures, how much makeup were they allowing this 12 yr old to normally wear and post pictures on Facebook?

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at January 13, 2017 03:04 PM (INFzO)

33 The son of some friends I lost touch with committed suicide. Shot himself in the head. Thing is, he had taken acid before the incident. It could have just been a hallucinogenic inspired accident.

Posted by: gapoz at January 13, 2017 03:04 PM (thyJJ)

34 Why do people watch it? I read story, but I would never watch video.
Sickos watch these things.

Posted by: Carol at January 13, 2017 03:04 PM (sj3Ax)

35 Lost both my parents to suicide. It has a lasting effect. Can't be in this thread.

Posted by: joncelli: Yes, it's Friday at January 13, 2017 03:05 PM (RD7QR)

36 32 And, not blaming anyone, but from the pictures, how much makeup were they allowing this 12 yr old to normally wear and post pictures on Facebook?
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at January 13, 2017 03:04 PM (INFzO)

It's the new normal.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 13, 2017 03:05 PM (8hICw)

37 *types*
*deletes*

Disheartening. Living in a this world is taxing.

Posted by: Moron Pundit at January 13, 2017 03:05 PM (xeeHA)

38 is the six year old internet whiz a factchecker for Buzzfeed?

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at January 13, 2017 03:06 PM (DweT9)

39 This is an awful, awful story.

According to the article, she'd detailed the abuse the previous day on her personal blog. That she was able to do that, then speak on camera for almost 45 minutes before actually doing the deed, is just... unfathomable to me. Did no one read the post? Did no one see her standing there on the bucket?


That poor family.


I hope the male relative, whoever he may be, gets drawn and quartered, preferably livestreamed on Facebook.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 13, 2017 03:06 PM (4df7R)

40 I'm not going to read this story. God bless this girl and her poor family, who will have to live with the consequences of all these actions. So sad.

Posted by: MTF at January 13, 2017 03:06 PM (X4ZNp)

41 https://tinyurl.com/gl2tcrs



Lockheed CEO tells Trump company will add 1,800 F-35 jobs in Fort Worth

Tired of WINNING???

Posted by: EVLINC! at January 13, 2017 03:06 PM (y3aQB)

42 Nobody should ever feel so alone or despondent in this world that they commit Suicide. It's a national tragedy.

The veteran suicide rate alone is about 22 a day, and that doesn't even tell the entire story.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 13, 2017 03:06 PM (BP2E4)

43 I'll come back when topic is lighter.

It's a sad world when a beautiful 12 year old girl hangs herself. Is it her mother calling her name?

Posted by: Carol at January 13, 2017 03:07 PM (sj3Ax)

44 That's my expressive component.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 13, 2017 03:02 PM (BP2E4)


That's the problem I was alluding to. We don't know if the allegation is true or not, and neither do those people. How can they pull together for mutual support with that suspicion out there?

What a mess!

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Infested With Russians? Use Commie-B-Gon! Available at the Outrage Outlet at January 13, 2017 03:07 PM (hLRSq)

45 Think I saw a headline for this elsewhere that indicated some abuse was involved. Didn't read the article, though, so I don't know any further details.

Posted by: junior at January 13, 2017 03:07 PM (XJqcQ)

46 21 Not a very cheery post. Suicide at her age is very hard to understand.


Honestly? 12 is on the cusp of teenagerdom, and suicide there is VERY understandable.

And that's even leaving out the molestation if true.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 13, 2017 03:07 PM (ujg0T)

47 12 years old. So fckn sad. 12. 12. I can't get my mind around that age so carefully planning and executing a livestreamed final. 12 and you're done with life to the point of suicide?

Posted by: Russkilitlover at January 13, 2017 03:07 PM (5aA0Y)

48 Oh, damn, how awful.

Teenage suicides are so horrifying because I remember having suicidal thoughts in hs for far more trivial reasons. One thing that is hard to remember when you're an adult, is how little perspective you have at that age. You feel so passionately when you are an adolescent and if anything bad happens (and being molested is far more terrible than 'my boyfriend dumped me' which is what made me feel suicidal) you feel your life is ruined forever and nothing good will ever happen to you. You can't imagine ever getting over or dealing with the horrendous thing that is happening now. And what this poor girl was suffering was truly horrendous.

I also think kids don't quite grasp what "forever" is. As in, do this and you'll be dead forever.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at January 13, 2017 03:07 PM (ZM2xo)

49 God forgive us all our sins and help us face the trials of each and every day.

Posted by: MTF at January 13, 2017 03:08 PM (X4ZNp)

50 Poor kid.

Posted by: eleven at January 13, 2017 03:08 PM (fYChk)

51 Oh Dear Lord...

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Myopic American at January 13, 2017 03:08 PM (RwwCT)

52 All of my greatest fears for my daughter in one dispiriting post.

I can't even begin to imagine. My mind actively blocks the line of thought in self defense.

Posted by: Moron Pundit at January 13, 2017 03:08 PM (xeeHA)

53 Speaking as someone who, once upon a time, was herself contemplating suicide (I'm better now!), I can say that I would never wish those feelings of hopeless misery on anyone, let alone a child with her whole life ahead of her. It's hard enough to bear with adult shoulders.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 13, 2017 03:09 PM (4df7R)

54 "That's the problem I was alluding to. We don't know if the allegation is true or not, and neither do those people. How can they pull together for mutual support with that suspicion out there? "

She killed herself and gave that as the reason. I have found accusations like that under similar circumstance almost always demonstrably true.

Who ever it is gets zero benefit of ny doubt.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 13, 2017 03:09 PM (BP2E4)

55 Parent's nightmare right there.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 13, 2017 03:10 PM (QCwhW)

56 Can we have another thread please? Maybe something about Paul Anka backing out. This one is too sad.

Posted by: Pete Seria at January 13, 2017 03:10 PM (lJW6d)

57
There are some stories that are just too heartbreaking to behold.
It's only natural that we wish we could have five minutes with Katelyn to maybe provide some kind of crucial and life changing perspective.
Sad beyond words.



Posted by: Stoic Trumpublican at January 13, 2017 03:10 PM (dDOWg)

58 Very sad.

No other words.



Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt, still loving the Cubs, even though they are WINNERS! at January 13, 2017 03:10 PM (8iiMU)

59 I can't even deal with this post. So damn sad !! Thoughts & Prayers to her family !

Posted by: EVLINC! at January 13, 2017 03:10 PM (y3aQB)

60 We don't know the family situation, but in my area when this happens, it is usually a child from a broken family.

Too many people have kids and think they are puppy dogs they can ignore if they don't suit them.
---
The whole idea of "it takes a village to raise a child" is extremely harmful IMHO.

It doesn't. It takes two parents who are dedicated to raising their child. Not a mom with an EBT card and a social worker.

And, to be honest, it seems many people treat their pets better than they treat their children.

Posted by: shibumi, who requires a cute kitty story stat! at January 13, 2017 03:10 PM (J5mC3)

61 7 I don't really want to clink link.
Posted by: Carol at January 13, 2017 02:56 PM (sj3Ax)


FWIW, there's nothing shocking there (unless my content blocker stuff is working overtime). It's just some pictures of her, like kids post all the time, and a sad story.

Posted by: hogmartin at January 13, 2017 03:10 PM (8nWyX)

62 This story is sad.

You want to know what story is NOT sad. A few weeks back a Fire Chief in Orange County CA left a City Counsel meeting, went to the Crown Valley Pkwy overpass over the I-5 freeway, and toss himself over. He was struck by an 18-wheeler and killed instantly. (The story made Drudge)

This dickhead tied up traffic. My wife was in that traffic. She was racing our poisoned Golden Retriever to emergency surgery. The trip should have only been 8 minutes. It ended up being over two wracking hours. The dog ended up surviving, but the moral of the story is...

If you are going to off yourself, do it in a closet and don't make a mess.

Posted by: tommylotto at January 13, 2017 03:11 PM (A3a8d)

63 Before I went to Nam I worked at the coroners office, this has been happening for a long time and I don't see an end. Very very sad.

Posted by: I Need a Drink at January 13, 2017 03:11 PM (bKxiT)

64 Christ on a crutch.

I don't even know where to begin, other than prayer.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at January 13, 2017 03:11 PM (9krrF)

65 Many suicides contain an expressive component



Tell me about it. Half of Pooky's note was him listing all the people that didn't help him and stating that he didn't think they cared. But they weren't the ones that had to find him unconscious on the bathroom floor or keep a steady voice on the phone to 911 or explain to his daughter (on her birthday) that Daddy's okay, he's just sleeping in the hospital. Yes, I have received an apology for that, it's just hard to talk to him about how selfish he was.

Posted by: pookysgirl at January 13, 2017 03:12 PM (ar2KI)

66 I also think kids don't quite grasp what "forever" is. As in, do this and you'll be dead forever.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at January 13, 2017 03:07 PM (ZM2xo)
------------
The teenage years are by far the most dangerous years for this type of thing.

In the same way that they think their love is the biggest and most permanent love in history, they see their agony as the biggest and most permanent. I remember it well. Did a spell at a mental hospital back then. Now THERE is a place that can give you some perspective. They put you in group sessions and these adults talk about their problems and you think to yourself, "wow, I don't have any problems at all."

Posted by: Moron Pundit at January 13, 2017 03:12 PM (xeeHA)

67 https://tinyurl.com/jd7b9qz

In Happier news


The Inaugural Committee announced today that Toby Keith, 3 Doors Down and Jennifer Holliday

Posted by: EVLINC! at January 13, 2017 03:13 PM (y3aQB)

68 From the Daily Mail:
.
"The video is now proliferating online, including on Facebook, and local cops say they can't stop it"
.
Well, unfortunately yes. I saw it posted on 4Chan's /b/ board more than once. Even there, it got deleted pretty quickly. Some sick f*ckers out there.

Posted by: Spiny Norman at January 13, 2017 03:13 PM (2NLtQ)

69 I feel for her family and friends. Suicide is the single most selfish act a human being can commit. I know, I have been this close >

Don't do that to your family and friends, even if you think they don't care. Even if you think they would like it. Even if you think the whole world would be better off. Don't go there.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2017 03:13 PM (39g3+)

70 And coming soon ... unfortunately ... will be a run of imitators.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 13, 2017 03:14 PM (QCwhW)

71 30 Horrible. Yet in the pictures I've seen online of her, she looks so happy, alive and vibrant. RIP.

Posted by: NCKate at January 13, 2017 03:03 PM (J1ZXn)


Just watched a video of her talking to others suffering from depression.

Encouraging them.


So. Fucking. Sad. RIP Dolly

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 13, 2017 03:14 PM (2x9LM)

72 my Oldest & Best Friend killed himself & never saw it coming ! took me months to stop blaming myself for not catching on !

Posted by: EVLINC! at January 13, 2017 03:15 PM (y3aQB)

73 According to the article, she'd detailed the abuse the previous day on her personal blog. That she was able to do that, then speak on camera for almost 45 minutes before actually doing the deed, is just... unfathomable to me. Did no one read the post? Did no one see her standing there on the bucket?


Unfortunately, the internet is SO saturated now that it was probably just another blip.

Eliot Rodger, the Santa Barbara Hollywood Left psychopath, went on and on about his anger and his rage before he finally did what he did, and no one noticed until it was too late.

By the way, has anyone here read his "My Twisted World" manifesto? I did. While it revealed terrible values and an utter lack of parenting, it also made me think about how I felt *very much like* the kid did when I was his age.

I wish I, or someone else, had took him aside and gave him some *perspective*. No one ever did that.

He may have been such a psycho that it would not have helped, but as I read it I couldn't help but think, "Dude, I felt just like you did at that age, but the things you think are SUCH a big deal are meaningless." And I wish I could have shown him that.

So if you know anyone like that, do take them aside and give them some perspective. You might just stop a mass shooting attack.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 13, 2017 03:15 PM (ujg0T)

74 Posted by: shibumi, who requires a cute kitty story stat! at January 13, 2017 03:10 PM (J5mC3)

^^This.

In addition, I feel that part of the problem is growing up in a value-free/amoral environment. Without a basic grounding in Judeo-Christian values, or even a 'penumbra' of such values, you end up being some sort of little nihilist, and results like this are more common.

I'm speaking in wide, general terms here.




Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt, still loving the Cubs, even though they are WINNERS! at January 13, 2017 03:16 PM (8iiMU)

75 And her apologizing and saying she was sorry for coming into everyone's lives.

Heartbreaking.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 13, 2017 03:16 PM (2x9LM)

76 Don't do that to your family and friends, even if you think they don't care. Even if you think they would like it. Even if you think the whole world would be better off. Don't go there.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2017 03:13 PM (39g3+)

Suicide leaves a wake of despair like few other things.

If my daughter died in a car accident or from disease, I'd never recover. If she killed herself. That's too awful to even imagine. I can't imagine what her parents are feeling.

Posted by: Moron Pundit at January 13, 2017 03:16 PM (xeeHA)

77 ace - please explain why you posted this.

Posted by: asswipee at January 13, 2017 03:17 PM (UMJoX)

78 The problem for teenagers (particularly teenage girls) is that they are faced for the first time in their lives with the beginnings of real responsibility and adult troubles, but are sort of detached from adulthood in this limbo in-between status. Lacking the callouses and emotional experience to handle these hardships, and convinced nobody in the world has ever faced such a horror, they can't figure out how to handle it.

Without some solid foundation, some objective absolute to cling to when all else seems lost, yeah. It can seem hopeless. And girls seem to be worse off because they are inclined more toward emotional reaction and viewing things in terms of relationships rather than logic and reason.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2017 03:17 PM (39g3+)

79 And, to be honest, it seems many people treat their pets better than they treat their children.


Posted by: shibumi, who requires a cute kitty story stat! at January 13, 2017 03:10 PM (J5mC3)

My sister has a friend whose son killed himself at 20. Got involved with the wrong set, got into drugs and shot himself. They were devastated and still are. I know them. They're good people.

As I said, I had suicidal thoughts in hs (never acted on them) and my parents were good parents.

I don't automatically make snap judgments about the parents or the spouse or the family of anybody who commits suicide.

In this case it looks like sexual abuse, which is horrifying.

In other cases it's drugs, sometimes it's clinicial depression, or physical pain, or, in the case of young people, lack of perspective and maturity.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at January 13, 2017 03:18 PM (ZM2xo)

80 Someone there for 20 minutes, didn't try to help her?

Posted by: Eric Hoffer's Thumb at January 13, 2017 03:18 PM (0J6e7)

81 "The video is now proliferating online, including on Facebook, and local cops say they can't stop it"
.
Well, unfortunately yes. I saw it posted on 4Chan's /b/ board more than once. Even there, it got deleted pretty quickly. Some sick f*ckers out there.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at January 13, 2017 03:13 PM (2NLtQ)



OK, Devil's Advocate here, but maybe it SHOULD go out? As a heads-up warning to parents and teachers and coaches and anyone else out there that this could be going on with someone they know? (Obviously with the aforementioned disclaimer atttached)

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 13, 2017 03:18 PM (ujg0T)

82 May she Rest In Peace, amen.

May those that violated her find Justice.

May her friends and family find strength ...

Posted by: Adriane the Critic ... at January 13, 2017 03:19 PM (AoK0a)

83 I don't remember much from my teens. That's just how my head works. If I don't "need" something ... my brain just throws it out.

But I do have fuzzy memories about how damn "intense" emotions were back then. I sure as hell don't miss that shit.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 13, 2017 03:19 PM (QCwhW)

84 I fear social-suicides will become a thing, and lead to even more suicides than would have happened otherwise. Probably already is.

Posted by: irright at January 13, 2017 03:19 PM (pMGkg)

85 "Many suicides contain an expressive component"

That's very thoughtful and ponderable.

Posted by: m at January 13, 2017 03:19 PM (3jGss)

86 I don't think that kids get that suicide is permanent. I'll show them or they'll be sorry. Yes, they will and they will grieve for a while. Then life goes on. One of my friend's brother killed himself because his girlfriend left him. He's been dead for over 30 years and I can't even remember his name.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 13, 2017 03:20 PM (kTF2Z)

87 47 12 years old. So fckn sad. 12. 12. I can't get my mind around that age so carefully planning and executing a livestreamed final. 12 and you're done with life to the point of suicide?
Posted by: Russkilitlover at January 13, 2017 03:07 PM (5aA0Y)

You'd be surprised. Childhood depression is very real, and can attest firsthand to that. Add in sexual assault - which could have been the trigger - and you have a recipe for terrible tragedy.

This poor girl. This rips up what little bits of my heart I have left.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2017 03:20 PM (0mRoj)

88 >>>If you are going to off yourself, do it in a closet and don't make a mess.

Posted by: tommylotto at January 13, 2017 03:11 PM (A3a8d)<<<



We were on a train in the UK a couple of years ago when we noticed we had been at a stop for an extended period (the trains usually stop for a minute or two). A conductor came along and said someone had jumped in front of the train just ahead of us, on the same line. He said it happens all the time. Offered to bus us around the accident to the next station but we decided to wait it out. Only took about 30 minutes to clean it up. They must be pretty good at it.

Ain't enough misery in the world to get me to off myself. I'll be clawing for that last breath. You always worry about kids though.

Posted by: Javems at January 13, 2017 03:21 PM (yOqwj)

89 As I said, I had suicidal thoughts in hs (never acted on them) and my parents were good parents.

I don't automatically make snap judgments about the parents or the spouse or the family of anybody who commits suicide.

In this case it looks like sexual abuse, which is horrifying.

In other cases it's drugs, sometimes it's clinicial depression, or physical pain, or, in the case of young people, lack of perspective and maturity.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at January 13, 2017 03:18 PM (ZM2xo)



THIS.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 13, 2017 03:22 PM (ujg0T)

90


Tell me about it. Half of Pooky's note was him listing all the people that didn't help him and stating that he didn't think they cared. But they weren't the ones that had to find him unconscious on the bathroom floor or keep a steady voice on the phone to 911 or explain to his daughter (on her birthday) that Daddy's okay, he's just sleeping in the hospital. Yes, I have received an apology for that, it's just hard to talk to him about how selfish he was.
Posted by: pookysgirl at January 13, 2017 03:12 PM (ar2KI)

pookysgirl, I'm sending you big hugs through the port. I have had to deal with a loved one who tried to commit suicide, and it is heartwrenching, and changes your life completely. It's little things, like locking all the knives and medicines in lock boxes. Watching them for signs of relapse, and the sick feeling when you notice them. Trying to be positive and supportive when you want to scream, "Why the hell did you do this to our family, to people who love you more than life?" I gave up my career, to stay home and make sure that everything is safe and okay for them.

But I would and will do it again in a heartbeat. Because if it's in my power to help, I will. I love them, and I will fight when they can't.

That's what you will have to do. Get a good support network, and someone you trust implicitly that you can confide in, when you need to vent, to cry, to rage, and go to them. You will need that person's strength, because you will be giving all of yours to pooky and pookysdaughter. Let me know anytime if you need prayer, and I will fall on my knees. The families of those who lose hope are the hardest hit. Because we don't.

Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at January 13, 2017 03:23 PM (VnCI9)

91 Posted by: pookysgirl at January 13, 2017 03:12 PM (ar2KI)

You need to find a good counselor for yourself.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2017 03:23 PM (0mRoj)

92 80 Someone there for 20 minutes, didn't try to help her?

Posted by: Eric Hoffer's Thumb at January 13, 2017 03:18 PM (0J6e7)


She was being encouraged to do it by a POS from Morocco via text. AB Tarik. After she did it he texted 'RIP ' and another one 'Are you in hell Dolly?'

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 13, 2017 03:23 PM (2x9LM)

93 OK, Devil's Advocate here, but maybe it SHOULD go
out? As a heads-up warning to parents and teachers and coaches and
anyone else out there that this could be going on with someone they
know? (Obviously with the aforementioned disclaimer atttached)

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 13, 2017 03:18 PM (ujg0T)

The only problem there is you're looking at imitators. "Oh, she got people to pay attention to her by doing this." Especially for tweens and teenagers, that's a very powerful force. You don't think about the fact that there's no coming back from death; like someone posted above, young people especially see death as just an episode in their life's story. Some component of them expects to be able to watch the tears and attend the funeral and listen to people talk about how wonderful they were, and how they wish they'd been there for them, and oh, if only we could do it all over again.


Youth especially don't recognize that when you're dead, you're dead. You don't get resurrected in the next season premiere.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 13, 2017 03:23 PM (4df7R)

94 Yes, I have received an apology for that, it's just hard to talk to him about how selfish he was.


Posted by: pookysgirl at January 13, 2017 03:12 PM (ar2KI)

I'm so sorry for everything you've been though.

Speaking as a person who has struggled with depression since adolescence, it's astounding to me, looking back, how completely self-centered you become in the throes of it. Everything is about you and your suffering. You hate yourself and yet you're at the center of the universe and you forget about those who love you or else your thinking is so distorted that you imagine they won't care or will be happy you are gone.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at January 13, 2017 03:24 PM (ZM2xo)

95 But I do have fuzzy memories about how damn "intense" emotions were back then.

Well the first time for human beings is very powerful stuff. The first time you had a headache you cried for hours. It was the worst pain ever. First toothache, first time you had a crush, first time you saw a naked boob. Its not that the event is so much more powerful than the later times, its that you're unprepared for the input and your body's response so its overwhelming. You have no experience to handle it.

As we age, we learn categories and types of things and have relative experiences: I haven't dealt with this before, but I have this similar thing and I know how to deal with it. So we can handle things and are a lot more stable.

Teenagers are bombarded with all this new stuff and have to try to deal with it. Modern teens especially are nearly helpless before this onslaught. All their lives they've been kept from anything challenging, frustrating, painful, confusing, or frightening. They have zero structure in place to handle anything except happy, protected, safe, and comfortable.

I still think the "teenage" concept is very damaging to society. This half-adult half-child thing as a transition doesn't work either way. Better to have that Bar Mitzvah concept of "ok you're an adult now, start adulting. I'll work with you and show you how, but we expect you to be grown up."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2017 03:25 PM (39g3+)

96 This could have been avoided. As soon as she came out that she was sexually abused by a family member. Or anybody for that matter), she should have been put. In a place that monitored her for 24/7, and given her all the help that she needs.

Her family and adults failed her. She was brave enough to come out about the worst most traumatic experience a child faces, and nobody seemed to pay attentioned. She was 12. She is not an adult.

Sounds like to me the family and responsible adults were only worried about how the sexual abuse would harm them , instead of worriying about the safety, health and well being of a 12 year old girl who was brave enough to come out seeking help for sexual abuse.

This is why kids internalize sexual abuse and abuse in general. They get blamed and don't get the help the deserve and need.

But let's have a pity party for all the adults who failed her. She was 12.

Posted by: Pepe at January 13, 2017 03:26 PM (4QKpw)

97 68 From the Daily Mail:
.
"The video is now proliferating online, including on Facebook, and local cops say they can't stop it"
.
Well, unfortunately yes. I saw it posted on 4Chan's /b/ board more than once. Even there, it got deleted pretty quickly. Some sick f*ckers out there.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at January 13, 2017 03:13 PM (2NLtQ)

It's been almost a decade since I last touched /b/. Please don't tell me they're harassing the family with the vid like they've done before.


"10
What's most sad is this little girl couldn't even fathom the finality of death, I'm assuming.

Here's a little girl who probably imagined her "death" and "funeral" as an episode in her ongoing life.
Posted by: Soothsayer XLT at January 13, 2017 02:58 PM (/fs7H)"

One of the most chilling things I've read here, but I think you nailed it perfectly.

Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at January 13, 2017 03:26 PM (wwd4n)

98 92 80 Someone there for 20 minutes, didn't try to help her?

Posted by: Eric Hoffer's Thumb at January 13, 2017 03:18 PM (0J6e7)


She was being encouraged to do it by a POS from Morocco via text. AB Tarik. After she did it he texted 'RIP ' and another one 'Are you in hell Dolly?'
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 13, 2017 03:23 PM (2x9LM)

---

Evil motherfuckers.

Yeah, this thread is a bit triggering...laters y'all.

Pookysgirl,
all the prayers, hun.

Posted by: SMFH at January 13, 2017 03:26 PM (CRotO)

99 You need to find a good counselor for yourself.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2017 03:23 PM (0mRoj)

I went to one today. There was a lot of crying, and some good advice. I'm getting pressure from my mom to take Pookette back, but my MIL (who is taking care of Pookette most of the time) said to take all the time that I need.

Posted by: pookysgirl at January 13, 2017 03:26 PM (ar2KI)

100 He's been dead for over 30 years and I can't even remember his name.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 13, 2017 03:20 PM (kTF2Z)


Goes both ways, I guess. A shipmate popped himself on watch 10 years ago, and I still get misty around August. Not a close friend, just someone I stood a few watches with, but I still remember pretty much everything from that day.

Posted by: hogmartin at January 13, 2017 03:26 PM (8nWyX)

101 Could we have a new post about puppies and kittens or something?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 13, 2017 03:26 PM (kTF2Z)

102 "Many suicides contain an expressive component, and the wide reach of the internet makes that express-yourself-by-ending-yourself drive more potent."
-ACE

I've never heard the online implication of suicide put so succinctly or professionally. I'm probably going to steal this line at some point.

Posted by: Bobby K. at January 13, 2017 03:26 PM (fG6w/)

103 Yeah, saw this one the other day.

I had a bad emotional year or two when I was around 12. I am perhaps glad in retrospect that I didn't have enough friends to make it worth livestreaming my own death.

Oh, and of course, I would have wondered what's 'livestreaming'?

Posted by: JEM at January 13, 2017 03:26 PM (TppKb)

104 One of her taglines:

'I'm Deep AF. I was a cutter. I fought depression so I help the depressed. I'm a great singer. and I just love everyone.'


Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 13, 2017 03:27 PM (2x9LM)

105 Everything is about you and your suffering. You hate yourself and yet you're at the center of the universe and you forget about those who love you or else your thinking is so distorted that you imagine they won't care or will be happy you are gone.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at January 13, 2017 03:24 PM (ZM2xo)
-----------------

Once you get down in that hole, it is very difficult to have any perspective. I liken it to being in any kind of serious pain. When you are in enough pain, you can't think of anything but yourself and getting the pain to stop. That's the entire world.

Emotional pain is just as dangerous in this regard as physical pain.

Posted by: Moron Pundit at January 13, 2017 03:27 PM (xeeHA)

106 I get delayed on my train commute several times a year due to suicides. It doesn't even shock me any more.

Posted by: Chris M at January 13, 2017 03:27 PM (eAZVt)

107 Hope I am explaining this right.
I have no problems with Ace posting this just as I have with reading history of the Holocaust as a example. There is evil in this world and turning your back to it is not going to make it go away.

Posted by: Skip at January 13, 2017 03:27 PM (yx0Ld)

108 Evil motherfuckers.

Posted by: SMFH at January 13, 2017 03:26 PM (CRotO)

He's been reported to Interpol. Not that it does anything now.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 13, 2017 03:28 PM (2x9LM)

109 Suicide is like a zombie virus - you don't just die, you infect all the people who loved you with a creeping sickness that never goes away.

For kids this age, there probably is also a sense of not quite understanding the finality of it.

Posted by: broseidon being a capitalist pigdog (yknow, working) at January 13, 2017 03:28 PM (oZ6kz)

110 I am not going to watch.

I would bet there will be more like this, thanks to social media and the epidemic feeling suicide gives some who knew her. Reading that a POS from Morocco encouraged this, well, guess the barbarians have found a new crack in the wall to kill infidels.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at January 13, 2017 03:28 PM (fq4ih)

111 Think I'll skip this link. I've got my own views on suicide.
I feel bad for the girl and feel that child molesters need an 'expedited' justice system. Like around 1200fps

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 13, 2017 03:28 PM (sh70B)

112 "POS from Morocco"

They worship Satan, you know.

Posted by: Chris M at January 13, 2017 03:29 PM (eAZVt)

113 So sad. Only 12!

A boy in my class in high school killed himself on his girlfriends lawn after she broke up with him and I have never forgotten.

Posted by: Lea at January 13, 2017 03:29 PM (lIU4e)

114 "It doesn't make sense to can the general in the middle of an active deployment," rages D.C. Council Chairman Phil Mendelson (D) after Maj. Gen. Errol R. Schwartz, who heads the D.C. National Guard and is an integral part of overseeing the inauguration, has been ordered removed from command effective Jan. 20, 12:01 p.m., just as Donald Trump is sworn in as president.

Posted by: undocumented illegal forked tongue at January 13, 2017 03:30 PM (e8kgV)

115 (CENSORED)

Posted by: nip at January 13, 2017 03:30 PM (L5nkE)

116 I get delayed on my train commute several times a year due to suicides.

The one time I came closest to suicide, I was walking to the train tracks when I realized how evil that would be to the conductor and to my family. Nothing changed inside me, I still longed for an end to the pain in my life, but I couldn't do that. There's no way to kill yourself without causing horror and agony to others around you. Nobody dies without a ripple on the world around them. Not even you who feel so worthless and meaningless and alone.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2017 03:30 PM (39g3+)

117 Who the fuck was shouting at her for 20 minutes while she hung?! They couldn't be bothered to go outside and check on her??

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at January 13, 2017 03:30 PM (kqtMD)

118 Devil's Advocate here, but maybe it SHOULD go out?

Can't think of any reason why it would be helpful to have *the actual video* circulating out there. It's already unimaginably awful for the family but I think knowing the video was being watched would make it even worse.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at January 13, 2017 03:31 PM (OVUYQ)

119 112 "POS from Morocco"

They worship Satan, you know.

Posted by: Chris M at January 13, 2017 03:29 PM (eAZVt)

Dual citizenship - Morocco and France. 19 years old.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 13, 2017 03:31 PM (2x9LM)

120 By the way, has anyone seen the documentary "The Bridge"?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0799954/?ref_=fn_al_tt_9

Really shocking, but at times profound, for those of us in the San Francisco area especially. It's THE place to commit suicide, apparently, or one of them in the world that draws people in, sometimes even from far away.

Kevin Hines, the fellow who attempted suicide and survived, has an especially poignant story. He is a motivational speaker now.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 13, 2017 03:31 PM (ujg0T)

121 I went to one today. There was a lot of crying, and some good advice. I'm getting pressure from my mom to take Pookette back, but my MIL (who is taking care of Pookette most of the time) said to take all the time that I need.
Posted by: pookysgirl at January 13, 2017 03:26 PM (ar2KI)


I'm glad you did. It'll take time. And I agree with your MIL. In this set of circumstances you need to take care of yourself so you can take the care of your adorable little girl that I know you want to.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2017 03:31 PM (0mRoj)

122 Chris Taylor ... that was a damn interesting take. I don't know if I buy it 100%, but it certainly got my attention.

I will contemplate this on the Tree of Brew.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 13, 2017 03:32 PM (QCwhW)

123 When anybody commits suicide like this publically or attempts to, it comes from a place of seeking help and getting ignored. It is sending a message people sat by and ignored doing nothing despite begging for help and willingness seek help, so this is going to be public and obvious like the help I sought.

Posted by: Pepe at January 13, 2017 03:32 PM (4QKpw)

124 *hugs for pookysgirl*

Give yourself time to heal. Pookette will understand.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 13, 2017 03:32 PM (4df7R)

125 Andy Warhol said everyone should get fifteen minutes of fame.

Facebook makes it easy. I hate Facebook.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at January 13, 2017 03:34 PM (U6f54)

126 New thread, and it's one where you can get really angry and yell at stupid people.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 13, 2017 03:34 PM (4df7R)

127 Gutpunched.

The older I get, and the longer I know my own precious little girl, the harder I take things like this.

Posted by: krakatoa at January 13, 2017 03:34 PM (RCS9o)

128 The Int'l Spectator
@spectatorindex
BREAKING: US House of Representatives passes measure in major step towards Obamacare repeal

Posted by: EVLINC! at January 13, 2017 03:34 PM (y3aQB)

129 110 I am not going to watch.

I would bet there will be more like this, thanks to social media and the epidemic feeling suicide gives some who knew her. Reading that a POS from Morocco encouraged this, well, guess the barbarians have found a new crack in the wall to kill infidels.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at January 13, 2017 03:28 PM (fq4ih)

Don't worry, the link goes to a news story, not the video.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2017 03:34 PM (0mRoj)

130 117 Who the fuck was shouting at her for 20 minutes while she hung?! They couldn't be bothered to go outside and check on her??
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at January 13, 2017 03:30 PM (kqtMD)

It's almost has if the adults involved are seeking victimhood status, praise, and attention from this. Premeditated.

Posted by: Pepe at January 13, 2017 03:35 PM (4QKpw)

131
I decided not to view any video of Katelyn. Seeing her pictures and knowing her decision was hard enough. And speaking exclusively for myself, I don't need to see anything harder than that.

But it's worth noting that by posting her story: it causes all of us to take a long hard look at ourselves and the loved ones around us.
Her story can make a serious and good difference.


Posted by: Stoic Trumpublican at January 13, 2017 03:35 PM (dDOWg)

132 Posted by: pookysgirl at January 13, 2017 03:12 PM (ar2KI)

depression is a very self-centered, self-obsessed mental / spiritual condition

prayers for God's grace and healing to fill pooky's heart

hugs to you and pookysgirl

Posted by: @votermom @vm at January 13, 2017 03:35 PM (Om16U)

133 118 Devil's Advocate here, but maybe it SHOULD go out?

Can't think of any reason why it would be helpful to have *the actual video* circulating out there. It's already unimaginably awful for the family but I think knowing the video was being watched would make it even worse.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at January 13, 2017 03:31 PM (OVUYQ)



Obviously, with a VERY long disclaimer and public serivce message preceding it and an admonition to seek help, etc. Obviously not standing alone in and of itself. Apologies if that was not fully explained.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 13, 2017 03:35 PM (ujg0T)

134 Reading that a POS from Morocco encouraged this, well, guess the barbarians have found a new crack in the wall to kill infidels.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at January 13, 2017 03:28 PM (fq4ih)

One of his backgrounds on his phone was ISIS about to slice a throat.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 13, 2017 03:36 PM (2x9LM)

135 How awful.

I remember that case a few years back where a teen girl committed suicide because of the following - Her former girlfriend's mother went online and created a fake FB page as a handsome young teen boy. The mother then began to woo this girl acting as if she was the boy that was interested in her. She then cruelly turned on the girl (as the boy) and called her awful names, etc. The girl then hanged herself. How despicable can you be to do that to a child that had known insecurity issues? I believe that this woman had to go to court but don't remember the outcome. They did have to move as the entire community was enraged by her actions.

Posted by: Cheri at January 13, 2017 03:36 PM (oiNtH)

136 There is plenty of reasons to yell at people here its just that they are not going to hear me.

Posted by: Skip at January 13, 2017 03:37 PM (yx0Ld)

137 >>Really shocking, but at times profound, for those of us in the San Francisco area especially. It's THE place to commit suicide, apparently, or one of them in the world that draws people in, sometimes even from far away.

The bridge that connects main bridge over Narragansett Bay is a somewhat popular suicide spot. But the papers don't regularly report on them because they don't want to encourage people.

The bridge over the Cape Cod Canal is plastered with suicide hotline signs urging people to call. I guess there is something about bridges that draws people.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 13, 2017 03:38 PM (/tuJf)

138 I just don't... molesting children fills me with white hot rage. Especially girls, it makes it hard to type with fists. How could anyone do that? I don't mean just morally but physically, what horror is in your soul to find children arousing? And the damage it does is so ghastly and permanent. I've known far too many girls who were abused at least to some degree, so many that I wonder if the ones who escaped this were the minority. That's an evil I want stamped out with extreme violence.

If someone struggles with this in their hearts, that's one thing; we all have besetting sins that we fight against and that haunt our souls. Some of them are ghastly; some people commenting here probably have some secret evil in their hearts they fight against.

But to take action? Death. That is the only answer. Rape a child, and die.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2017 03:38 PM (39g3+)

139 "Many suicides contain an expressive component, and the wide reach of the internet makes that express-yourself-by-ending-yourself drive more potent."
-ACE

Social media and the internet has also groomed people to be over the top cruel and hurtful to each other in real life. People don't bat an eye when telling people over and over that they should kill themselves because reasons.

Thanks internet culture.

Posted by: Pepe at January 13, 2017 03:39 PM (4QKpw)

140
Kevin Hines, the fellow who attempted suicide and survived, has an especially poignant story. He is a motivational speaker now.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 13, 2017 03:31 PM (ujg0T)



I think i've seen it.Is he the guy who stated that he realized what a terrible mistake he'd just made as soon as he let go?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 13, 2017 03:39 PM (lKyWE)

141 But I do have fuzzy memories about how damn "intense" emotions were back then. I sure as hell don't miss that shit.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 13, 2017 03:19 PM (QCwhW)

Yeah. I had some fun in my teen years, but I remember them as a confusing and often painful time. Hormones going crazy, fears of being fat, unattractive, unpopular, and every social setback - a breakup with a boyfriend, a fight with a friend - wasn't just unfortunately but OMG! THE END OF THE WORLD! I can't go to school on Monday! I can't face my friends! What will everyone think??

When I see teenagers, especially girls, being hysterical about something, it's easy to smile and think "oh, they're just being drama queens" - until I remember that my own hystericals were real and painful. They're not just (or always) putting on a show - they feel things intensely and don't know that in another year or 3 or 5, they won't give a shit about the old boyfriend or the backstabbing friend.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at January 13, 2017 03:40 PM (ZM2xo)

142 Years ago I started writing a short story about suicide selfies. I couldn't finish it. Too depressing. I knew this day would come. I expect many, many more to follow.

Posted by: Lauren at January 13, 2017 03:41 PM (WezLu)

143 Early in Twain's "Tom Sawyert", Tom gets a smack from Aunt Polly for something Sid had done. "Didn't get a lick amiss, I reckon," was Aunt Polly's apology.
Twain then has Tom in bed, turning his face to the wal and thinking how sad they'll all be that they wronged him, when he was gone,

WTF with shouting at her for twenty minutes? Something wrong there.

WRT the abuse, remember Jackie Coakley.

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at January 13, 2017 03:41 PM (lePNR)

144 The bridge over the Cape Cod Canal is plastered with suicide hotline signs urging people to call. I guess there is something about bridges that draws people.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 13, 2017 03:38 PM (/tuJf)


There's something about places. Bridges for sure, but Aokigahara forest in Japan is... just a quiet place where people off themselves. A lot.

Posted by: hogmartin at January 13, 2017 03:41 PM (8nWyX)

145 >And girls seem to be worse off because they are inclined more toward emotional reaction and viewing things in terms of relationships rather than logic and reason.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2017 03:17 PM (39g3+)

This is a dangerous way of thinking. Many men, grown men, kill themselves when relationships end.

Posted by: Lea at January 13, 2017 03:42 PM (lIU4e)

146 "Thanks internet culture.

Posted by: Pepe at January 13, 2017 03:39 PM (4QKpw) "

Yeah, our society that demands we don't do a single thing that could be deemed offensive has led to a culture of anonymous (and sometimes not anonymous) internet hate where people say things far more vile than they ever would have before.

Posted by: broseidon being a capitalist pigdog (yknow, working) at January 13, 2017 03:45 PM (oZ6kz)

147 I think i've seen it.Is he the guy who stated that he realized what a terrible mistake he'd just made as soon as he let go?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 13, 2017 03:39 PM (lKyWE)



And he describes how he turned himself around in mid free fall and landed in a seated position, legs together, boots first?

That's the one.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 13, 2017 03:45 PM (ujg0T)

148 This is a dangerous way of thinking. Many men, grown men, kill themselves when relationships end.
Posted by: Lea at January 13, 2017 03:42 PM (lIU4e)

Particularly after divorce. Men are several times more likely to commit suicide.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2017 03:46 PM (0mRoj)

149 They weren't calling her name for 20 minutes. A voice, presumably the mother, calls her name only towards the end.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at January 13, 2017 03:46 PM (ul9CR)

150 Particularly after divorce. Men are several times more likely to commit suicide.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2017 03:46 PM (0mRoj)


You particularly need to please realize how much everyone here loves your ass.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at January 13, 2017 03:47 PM (kqtMD)

151 "Particularly after divorce. Men are several times more likely to commit suicide.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2017 03:46 PM (0mRoj) "

My dad, who had already been through 2 divorces (well, 1 1/2 - my mom died in the middle of their divorce), killed himself because of a fight he was having with his fiancee. So yeah, overreacting in the heat of the moment due to emotional distress definitely isn't limited to females or teenagers.

Posted by: broseidon being a capitalist pigdog (yknow, working) at January 13, 2017 03:48 PM (oZ6kz)

152 146 "Thanks internet culture.

Posted by: Pepe at January 13, 2017 03:39 PM (4QKpw) "

Yeah, our society that demands we don't do a single thing that could be deemed offensive has led to a culture of anonymous (and sometimes not anonymous) internet hate where people say things far more vile than they ever would have before.
Posted by: broseidon being a capitalist pigdog (yknow, working) at January 13, 2017 03:45 PM (

And they now say this face to face to a person and it is not "Taboo" or looked at as abuse, but it is.

The internet and social media have groomed many dangerous people hiding in plain site.

Posted by: Pepe at January 13, 2017 03:48 PM (4QKpw)

153 Men commit suicide at a 8 to 1 ratio after divorce or a sepatation. The mother wins most/sole custody of the kids in divorce cases 80% of the time. Any person who is honest can see that the two are rated.

Posted by: Pepe at January 13, 2017 03:53 PM (4QKpw)

154 Sure there is an element of selfishness, but consider that they are in so much pain they are willing to die to get away from it.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at January 13, 2017 03:54 PM (+aCe4)

155 I still think the "teenage" concept is very damaging to society. This half-adult half-child thing as a transition doesn't work either way. Better to have that Bar Mitzvah concept of "ok you're an adult now, start adulting. I'll work with you and show you how, but we expect you to be grown up."



Know why 18 yr olds could do what they did in WWII?
They started adulting around age 12. Really adulting. My dad was born in 1935. By age 12 he was driving the family truck into town to the feed store.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 13, 2017 03:54 PM (Vddbf)

156 https://tinyurl.com/gl2tcrs

Lockheed CEO tells Trump company will add 1,800 F-35 jobs in Fort Worth

Tired of WINNING???


Well, are any of those jobs going to be focused on how to make it not be an horrendously expensive jack of all trades, master of none? I'm not a fan of it.

Posted by: moronhorde minion at January 13, 2017 03:55 PM (hKDRi)

157 150 Particularly after divorce. Men are several times more likely to commit suicide.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2017 03:46 PM (0mRoj)

You particularly need to please realize how much everyone here loves your ass.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at January 13, 2017 03:47 PM (kqtMD)

I give a hearty second to that, Insomniac.

Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at January 13, 2017 03:55 PM (VnCI9)

158 150 Particularly after divorce. Men are several times more likely to commit suicide.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2017 03:46 PM (0mRoj)

You particularly need to please realize how much everyone here loves your ass.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at January 13, 2017 03:47 PM (kqtMD)

Thanks Tammy. Love you too. This place and my kids are the things that keep me hanging on.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2017 03:55 PM (0mRoj)

159 Know why 18 yr olds could do what they did in WWII?
They started adulting around age 12. Really adulting. My dad was born in 1935. By age 12 he was driving the family truck into town to the feed store.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 13, 2017 03:54 PM (Vddbf)



In terms of working and earning money, absolutely, you bet.

However in other ways, sexuality comes to mind, I think it is happening to young people too soon.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 13, 2017 03:56 PM (ujg0T)

160 Facialberg and FacePhuck saw fit to livestream the poor girls agonies

so yea, by all means, let's give pockMark a say into news, m'kay ?

Posted by: Sharp Creased Slax at January 13, 2017 03:57 PM (TRUx+)

161 Well, are any of those jobs going to be focused on how to make it not be an horrendously expensive jack of all trades, master of none? I'm not a fan of it.
Posted by: moronhorde minion at January 13, 2017 03:55 PM (hKDRi)



Going off topic, but the F-35 is going to be this generation's F-111, isn't it? A fine plane, but asked to do too many tasks?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 13, 2017 03:58 PM (ujg0T)

162 I remember seeing a documentary about people who jumped off the Golden Gate bridge and actually survived the jump.

Every single one said the millisecond after they did so, they regretted the act.

And, disgustingly, they also said that people who were driving their cars over the bridge and saw them standing there yelled for them to jump (ah, yes, compassionate, liberal San Francisco). They said that if one person had seen them and said "For God's sake don't do it!" they wouldn't have. But nobody did.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at January 13, 2017 04:01 PM (ZM2xo)

163 I give a hearty second to that, Insomniac.

Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at January 13, 2017 03:55 PM (VnCI9)

Me third!

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at January 13, 2017 04:02 PM (ZM2xo)

164 163 I give a hearty second to that, Insomniac.

Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at January 13, 2017 03:55 PM (VnCI9)

Me third!
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at January 13, 2017 04:02 PM (ZM2xo)

You're awesome.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2017 04:04 PM (0mRoj)

165 You particularly need to please realize how much everyone here loves your ass.

I give a hearty second to that, Insomniac.

Insom ... you sly ol' dawg ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 13, 2017 04:06 PM (QCwhW)

166 Never put this into words before so you kids get to read it.

After Nam it took 5 years for me to walk to the edge of that cliff. My wife, friends and family all left me, but the dreams never did, because I was a Nam Vet. Uncle Sam asked me if I wanted to do contract work and I said YES. What got me to the edge of cliff got me to walk away from. Then came the crash. They were done using me and I was on my own again. I finally got some help but most of the help was from myself.

I was lucky but most people that are hurting are not that lucky because no one listens or cares. IF you think someone is hurting or depressed, do something, before they do.

To this day I have no friends or anyone around me.

I don't need any sympathy or what ever, don't want it. I'm to old and set my ways. I have made my peace with my past and God. The human race, not so much.

Posted by: I Need a Drink at January 13, 2017 04:08 PM (bKxiT)

167 In terms of working and earning money, absolutely, you bet.

However in other ways, sexuality comes to mind, I think it is happening to young people too soon.




I agree they are getting the sexualtiy part too soon.
But they aren't getting the responsibility "adulting" part that goes along with it.

We are only one or two generations removed from kids going to work at 14 and marriages being common at 17 & 18.

Now, they aren't fucking grown up at 30.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 13, 2017 04:09 PM (Vddbf)

168 Insom ... you sly ol' dawg ...
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 13, 2017 04:06 PM (QCwhW)


Heh.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2017 04:10 PM (0mRoj)

169 Now, they aren't fucking grown up at 30.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 13, 2017 04:09 PM (Vddbf)

add 20 years to that and you are close.

Posted by: I Need a Drink at January 13, 2017 04:12 PM (bKxiT)

170 Nood

Posted by: rickb223 at January 13, 2017 04:17 PM (Vddbf)

171 Men commit suicide at a 8 to 1 ratio after divorce or a sepatation. The mother wins most/sole custody of the kids in divorce cases 80% of the time. Any person who is honest can see that the two are rated.

Posted by: Pepe
****

I have seen a number of men who did not cheat, abuse their wife, or do anything wrong, just get destroyed in court. They are hit with such crushing child support obligations that they work 2 jobs just to drive a 10 yr old car and live in a dinky apartment. This is in spite of the fact that the wife doesn't need such a high level of support. Hell, you have men who aren't even the father of the child being ordered to pay child support these days!

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at January 13, 2017 04:19 PM (m3iiU)

172 Where were the parents? Why do we see online photographs of this 12-year-old made up and dressed like a 24-year-old?

Posted by: Robert at January 13, 2017 04:22 PM (t3Ihd)

173 Late posting to thread.

Sherlock on BBC is going downhill, but I DID love this line from the ep that aired last Sunday, about suicide.

"Taking your own life. Interesting expression, taking it from who? Once it's over, it's not you who'll miss it. Your own death is something that happens to everyone else. Your life is not your own, keep your hands off it."

Posted by: LizLem at January 13, 2017 04:24 PM (hvf9s)

174 There was a case only a few months ago where the girl shot herself right in front of her family. I believe it was right before or right after either Thanksgiving or Christmas.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at January 13, 2017 04:24 PM (CNHr1)

175 35 Lost both my parents to suicide. It has a lasting effect. Can't be in this thread.
Posted by: joncelli: Yes, it's Friday at January 13, 2017 03:05 PM (RD7QR)

Sadness for you. I pray you find the rock of faith that is Christ to lean on in your dark days, and I know you have them. "Suffering brings persistence; persistence brings character, and character brings hope through the love of the Holy Spirit." Found this verse, and after thought, realized I have never seen a person of true character who didn't have HOPE. Weird, huh?

Posted by: BarcelonaCarmen at January 13, 2017 04:34 PM (RHjCR)

176 What's bad is that yes, we focus on teen suicide...

...but it's a much lower rate than much older people:

https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/

suicide is highest for middle-aged men, though it looks like suicide rate for the oldest people (>age 85) has been getting close.

Posted by: meep at January 13, 2017 04:36 PM (bHNxZ)

177 Brother hanged himself at age 16. That was 41 years ago. Family still suffers. And I REALLY watch my Scouts for indications

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at January 13, 2017 04:49 PM (FTGpD)

178 "But the real victims of a suicide"

I was unfortunate enough to watch this myself a few days ago, as well as videos she livestreamed in the days leading up.

The only victim here was the girl. Her mother was an abusive piece of shit, dated guys who molested or even raped this girl, she was made to live in a room with a hole in the wall in late December, water leaked in constantly, and her mother apparently assigned her the housework while working at McDonald's and bringing home guys...because "she's doing the best she can".

The mother deserved this, but in all honesty, I doubt she'll give it much thought in another year or so.

Posted by: S at January 13, 2017 06:12 PM (YtzJ5)

179 "Why the hell are parents giving their kids
unsupervised access to the internet?? It's fucking idiotic for a
thousand good reasons.

Posted by: Soothsayer XLT at January 13, 2017 03:00 PM (/fs7H)"
Because now there's an official record of her mother's abusive conduct, as well as a recorded acknowledgment that the mother knew her child was sexually abused by a former flame.

Posted by: S at January 13, 2017 06:15 PM (YtzJ5)

180 Once, when I was studying abroad in Japan, the message boards that normally tell you the name of the next stop, etc, starting blinking an unusual message. The folks waiting looked at it and all filed out. I had no idea what was going on so I started looking up kanji characters. "Self death" was what it said. Over there, the surviving family gets fined for delaying the trains. There is a special forest in the skirt of Mt. Fuji for suicide. The whole culture is so oppressive - fitting in, taking all the right steps, staying inside the mold...it reminded me of teenage years. Praying for her soul, and for justice.

Posted by: H at January 13, 2017 06:50 PM (pPok2)

181 175 35 Lost both my parents to suicide. It has a lasting effect. Can't be in this thread.
Posted by: joncelli: Yes, it's Friday at January 13, 2017 03:05 PM (RD7QR)

Sadness for you. I pray you find the rock of faith that is Christ to lean on in your dark days, and I know you have them. "Suffering brings persistence; persistence brings character, and character brings hope through the love of the Holy Spirit." Found this verse, and after thought, realized I have never seen a person of true character who didn't have HOPE. Weird, huh?
Posted by: BarcelonaCarmen at January 13, 2017 04:34 PM (RHjCR)

Thank you so much. Losing Mom and Dad, paradoxically, helped renew my faith, which had been lost for a long time. My hope is that they have found peace and rest.

Posted by: joncelli, whose moobs are not calm at January 13, 2017 08:00 PM (1FhAQ)

182 @52
"She killed herself and gave that as the reason. I have found accusations like that under similar circumstance almost always demonstrably true."

Because you have such tremendous experience with people killing themselves while making horrific criminal accusations?

She was demonstrably unstable; badly so. Out of all the things she could have done she picked the one that would be the biggest fuck-you to the people around her she possibly could. A little extra poison pill of false abuse accusation hardly surpasses belief.

It's right in line with "women never lie about rape! how DARE you accuse this poor innocent wymyn victim of horrible manrapists of lying about her horrible rape!" We've learned better about that; any rape accusation not accompanied by an immediate police report is almost certainly a lie. Similar pattern here. Demonstrably mentally unstable person takes extremely nutty decision while spouting wild accusations. Doesn't go to the cops, doesn't go to any sort of alternative authority, instead reinforces self-destructive behavior with maximal shrapnel. No. She's lying.

If you can't guess, no, I have absolutely zero sympathy. Before she died? Yes. After? Forfeit.

Posted by: rollory at January 14, 2017 08:00 AM (kC8gp)

183 The true depth of horror was watching the video and knowing you could do nothing to save her.
At her young age she felt she had nothing to live for which was sad.

Posted by: obsidian at January 15, 2017 12:28 PM (ARK2U)

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