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Eesh: Trump Asks Vaccine Truther Robert F. Kennedy Jr. To Head Panel on Vaccines and "Scientific Integrity"

It's like asking a dumb, imbred fox to guard the henhouse.

Well, when you get Trump, you get Trump's appetite for conspiracy theories too.

"He asked me to chair a commission on vaccine safety and scientific integrity ... I said I would," [Robert F. Kennedy Jr.] said.

"President-elect Trump has some doubts about the current vaccine policies and he has questions about it. His opinion doesn't matter, but the science does matter and we ought to be reading the science and we ought to be debating the science."

Well, there is an aspect of vaccine policy which is usefully re-examined: How old children should be before they're vaccinated. Some people have said kids shouldn't be immunized before four or so, and I think that's considered a not-crazy question.

But then, I don't know. I feel a bit sheepish about condemning this because, like most Global Warming zealots, I really don't know the science here -- I just know what people say.

This feeds into my other worry about Trump -- that he's a star-struck star-f***er and just really digs celebrities and will do what they say if they say nice things about him. Even if it's really a non-celebrity like RFKJr.

And also: Intelligence officials have presented Trump with evidence (they say) that the Russians have made efforts to dig into Trump's personal and financial information, presumably to compromise him/extort him.

These senior intelligence officials also included the synopsis to demonstrate that Russia had compiled information potentially harmful to both political parties, but only released information damaging to Hillary Clinton and Democrats. This synopsis was not an official part of the report from the intelligence community case about Russian hacks, but some officials said it augmented the evidence that Moscow intended to harm Clinton's candidacy and help Trump's, several officials with knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.

The two-page synopsis also included allegations that there was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government, according to two national security officials.

That may or may not cool Trump's bromance with Putin.


Oh: Apparently this information was fed to the CIA and FBI by... #NeverTrumper oppo researchers.



Posted by: Ace at 05:48 PM




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1 First.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at January 10, 2017 05:44 PM (CLKfs)

2 Intelligence officials have presented Trump with evidence (they say) that the Russians have made efforts to dig into Trump's personal and financial information, presumably to compromise him/extort him.

That may or may not cool Trump's bromance with Putin.



If he didn't already know that, he's not fit for the Presidency.

Posted by: pep at January 10, 2017 05:45 PM (LAe3v)

3 Meh...its a commission. If this is the worst ting to come up so far, and I think it is. I am not overly concerned.

Posted by: Byll Winn at January 10, 2017 05:45 PM (8mYHH)

4 So the Russians hacked Trump and Clinton? Who saw that coming?

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 10, 2017 05:45 PM (4e+hS)

5 Who will rid me of these turbulent Kennedys?

Posted by: pep at January 10, 2017 05:46 PM (LAe3v)

6 Vaccine safety sounds like a worthwhile cause. At least more so than studying the sleeping habits of frat boys.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at January 10, 2017 05:46 PM (CLKfs)

7 Not too worried about Trump's fascination with celebrities. After all, they have all but abandoned him.

We shouldn't be surprised at a pick such as RFK Jr. either. Trump still is a wild-card.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 10, 2017 05:46 PM (jxbfJ)

8 5
Who will rid me of these turbulent Kennedys?


Posted by: pep at January 10, 2017 05:46 PM (LAe3v)

Funny, I say the same thing about Bushes and Clintons.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 10, 2017 05:47 PM (jxbfJ)

9 I think it's smart to give some non-important roles to the other side. Keeping friends, enemies close, etc.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at January 10, 2017 05:47 PM (CLKfs)

10 Honest Question.

Parents freaking out about non-vaccine kids at school. If your kids are vaccinated, how can they harm your kids?

To me, it's almost like getting hugely upset if kids parents don't make them wear a bike helmet.

Help me understand this.

I'm pro-vaccine for the big things, my kids are all vaccinated, etc.

Posted by: Maritime at January 10, 2017 05:48 PM (rLp05)

11 I thought they only Hacked the DNC because Trump was buddies with Putin ???


start splainin' Lucy ?!~

Posted by: EVLINC! at January 10, 2017 05:48 PM (y3aQB)

12 I think he's just giving the guy enough rope to hang himself.

Posted by: GeoSTI at January 10, 2017 05:48 PM (Lve6e)

13 Watching The Five, they just showed a segment of The New York Rodeo. When did bull riders start wearing helmets?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 10, 2017 05:49 PM (ZO497)

14 Parents freaking out about non-vaccine kids at school. If your kids are vaccinated, how can they harm your kids?

Suppose they catch a virus that turns them into zombies? What then? It won't turn out well for you kids, I can tell you.

Posted by: pep at January 10, 2017 05:49 PM (LAe3v)

15 All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's Reproductive Hellth Clinik watch that idiot Session's lie today just as bad as Trump. He obviously does nots like are Presdent of Color and probably wood arrest all persons of colora like it was 1865. We demand Presdent Obamama does something to stop this guy and appoints someone like Alf Sharllleton or jessy Jacksoon as the Attorning General thing. Trump lied and Amerrica died !!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT (Soon to be Obamaboro, VT) at January 10, 2017 05:50 PM (Fbj4h)

16 RFK Jr.

He used to come into our Pizzeria. Taught at pace Law up the road.

Posted by: garrett at January 10, 2017 05:50 PM (hjpzi)

17 "Trump surrogates" and "intermediaries" for the Russian government. Could they be more vague?

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at January 10, 2017 05:50 PM (CLKfs)

18 Maritime: its the principle of herd immunity. Vaccinations are never 100percent effective, thus there is a chance a disease can infect a set of the population. What herd immunity does is make the number of hosts so low, the disease can't gain enough of a foot hold to go full on epidemic.

Posted by: GeoSTI at January 10, 2017 05:50 PM (Lve6e)

19
Immunizations have shown to be pretty good for society.

People should be free to get one for themselves or their children if they want, not forced to or not prevented from.

I would like the non-vaccinators though to take some responsibility and recognize that children under 6 months that are too young to get MMR vaccines are at great risk if exposed. Keep your sick kids away from babies for goodness sake.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 10, 2017 05:51 PM (ODxAs)

20 Who will rid me of these turbulent torpid Kennedys?
Posted by: pep
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Edited

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 10, 2017 05:51 PM (ZO497)

21 When the report says get vaccinations and RFKjr has to stand there and smile for the presser it will be fun.

Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2017 05:52 PM (2RVmA)

22 Maritime: its the principle of herd immunity. Vaccinations are never
100percent effective, thus there is a chance a disease can infect a set
of the population. What herd immunity does is make the number of hosts
so low, the disease can't gain enough of a foot hold to go full on
epidemic.


This. Plus, there are plenty of people who have weakened immune systems or are too young for a specific vaccine. Even if your kid is vaccinated, exposure increases the risk that he'll carry something home that will make someone else sick.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 10, 2017 05:52 PM (fKWf6)

23 That may or may not cool Trump's bromance with Putin.
---
Well, right up until the point they have to admit to the size of the file they have on Putin.

Posted by: Methos at January 10, 2017 05:52 PM (3Liv/)

24 That vaccination schedule after your child is born is insane. Best to spread it out as much as possible. No harm done with that.

Posted by: Pepe at January 10, 2017 05:52 PM (iztiu)

25 If the Russians tried to hack Trump's personal financial info and left veritable tracks back to Russia, then Putin Inc has jumped the Bear.

Posted by: !Deplorable Lives Matter! at January 10, 2017 05:53 PM (oBuXO)

26 Yeah Trump is not good on vaccines, he's not full blown vaccine type but he leans against them. But then, is this report real or just another one of those BS ones we later find out was someone pulling our leg?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 10, 2017 05:53 PM (39g3+)

27 10,000 RFK Jrs appointed to commissions, while stupid, is not that important. The only concern is that Trump will not deliver on the big issues: enforcement of immigration law/removal of illegals/securing the border, removing the anchor of regulation from the neck of the economy, appointing judges not legislators to the federal courts, and ...... well, that about does it.


Those three areas get addressed seriously, anything else will be gravy.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 10, 2017 05:53 PM (QDnY+)

28 Are they providing the booze and pills?

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 10, 2017 05:53 PM (89T5c)

29 RFK Jr.
He used to come into our Pizzeria.


Did he order a waitress sammich?

Posted by: Prez'nit Toonces at January 10, 2017 05:53 PM (Tyii7)

30 RFK Jr. - serial philanderer, wife committed suicide and then he refused to release the body to her family, then married his Hollywood mistress, Cheryl Hines. Oh, and his son was just arrested for assaulting someone in a bar.

The Kennedys. Cream of the crop, let's give 'em some federal power to affect *our* lives, huh?


Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2017 05:53 PM (NOIQH)

31 I supported him.

I voted for him.

I applauded his choice of Cabinet members.

But this. I may vomit. RK is a madman, and his vaccine conspiracies and stupidities has put the blood of thousands on his hands. He is a public menace and should be locked up. I gotta go puke.

Donald, Donald, why have you forsaken me?

NOTE: I teach virology.

Posted by: retropox at January 10, 2017 05:53 PM (DysUf)

32 Jenny McCarthy probably let Trump grab her ass so he owes her a favor.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 10, 2017 05:53 PM (n0xeO)

33 Maritime: its the principle of herd immunity. Vaccinations are never 100percent effective, thus there is a chance a disease can infect a set of the population. What herd immunity does is make the number of hosts so low, the disease can't gain enough of a foot hold to go full on epidemic.
Posted by: GeoSTI

________

Okay, fair enough

I do think though it's one of these over stated fears that have a big potential for government to get very totalitarian on this principle.

Like Texas with Gardasil. If you don't want your daughter to get a gardasil shot, you're opening up the population to HPV. Rinse and repeat for every disease.

Posted by: Maritime at January 10, 2017 05:54 PM (rLp05)

34 I actually agree with this... on the surface so to speak. Anti vaccine people are very passionate about this subject. Putting an anti vacciner in charge of looking into the safety and schedule of vaccination s isn't a bad idea. He will scrutinize the thing to try to prove he is right, but if he is wrong then he has to admit that. Other anti-vaxxers will be more open to one of their own saying all is well than they would someone who ignores their concerns and tells them to shut up. And I do think vaccination schedule needs to be revisited.
Besides, who knows, it's at least possible the vaccines are problematic for some kids.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity woman extraordinary) at January 10, 2017 05:54 PM (yTnCT)

35 Don't ever go full Alex Jones

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at January 10, 2017 05:55 PM (6Ll1u)

36 That vaccination schedule after your child is born is insane. Best to spread it out as much as possible. No harm done with that.
Posted by: Pepe
_________


I agree this made me nervous, but I went along. Just seemed to throw a huge shock of vaccines at a newborn.

Posted by: Maritime at January 10, 2017 05:55 PM (rLp05)

37 The thing that I will always remember about vaccines was my Mother literally weeping for joy when the polio vaccine became available. Until you've lived through hearing your Mother crying at the news that so and so's child just got put into an iron lung, you just don't get the impact of a safe vaccine.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now @SMcEvil on GAB at January 10, 2017 05:55 PM (kXoT0)

38 Maritime, there is no guarantee the vaccine worked for my kid, so I'm better off if everyone has it. Plus, the unvaccinated are usually children of illegals or moonbats, which we should not expose our kids to either.

Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2017 05:55 PM (2RVmA)

39 >>>Fox to guard the henhouse

More like Andrew Mendoza guarding the stables.

Horseman Baby!

Posted by: wooga at January 10, 2017 05:56 PM (48hJI)

40 RFK, Jr. Sr.. III IVII

Of course the same shit was said when Trump met with Leo DeCapricated.

Is Leo DeCapricated in charge anything now?

And also: Intelligence officials have presented Trump with evidence (they say) that the Russians have made efforts to dig into Trump's personal and financial information, presumably to compromise him/extort him.

Sooo the exact same thing the DNC and GOP have already done themselves...

Ooookay.

Raaaaaight.

Run with that, guys.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 10, 2017 05:56 PM (V3IFq)

41
A Kennedy?

Next he'll ask Chelsea to head a committee about income inequality.

Donald. Please. In the name of G-d. Stop NOW.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2017 05:57 PM (mbhDw)

42 Putting an anti vacciner in charge of looking into the safety and schedule of vaccination s isn't a bad idea.

He's a Kennedy, he doesn't have to admit to anything no matter what the truth is.

The thing that I will always remember about vaccines was my Mother literally weeping for joy when the polio vaccine became available.

People from the Greatest Generation are jaw-dropping horrified when they hear about people who oppose vaccinations. They know what life was like before it. My dad lost a brother to polio. He would have beat the hell out of anyone saying we should eliminate vaccines for children.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 10, 2017 05:57 PM (39g3+)

43 Trump will certainly pass no purity test of any kind.


And Hillary Clinton will never be president.

Posted by: Nutt Russell at January 10, 2017 05:57 PM (qUNWi)

44 10 Honest Question.

Parents freaking out about non-vaccine kids at school. If your kids are vaccinated, how can they harm your kids?

To me, it's almost like getting hugely upset if kids parents don't make them wear a bike helmet.

Help me understand this.

I'm pro-vaccine for the big things, my kids are all vaccinated, etc.

Posted by: Maritime at January 10, 2017 05:48 PM (rLp05)

++++

Yep, I knew it wouldn't take long for some to pipe up and explain to you how the people of this country should be thought of as cattle instead of free citizens.

Join the herd. Mooooo!!!

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 10, 2017 05:58 PM (R+30W)

45 15 ...and probably wood arrest all persons...

Mary finally said something intelligible; yes, there need to be many wood arrests of persons, like anarchists, rioting at the inauguration.

I recommend hickory.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 10, 2017 05:58 PM (gAXee)

46 I agree this made me nervous, but I went along. Just seemed to throw a huge shock of vaccines at a newborn.
---
Big Pharma's gotta get its paycheck somehow.

Posted by: Methos at January 10, 2017 05:58 PM (3Liv/)

47 @Maritime, it's only overstated now because the majority of people are still vaccinated, so it's a relatively small group -- immunocompromised, infants, the elderly, allergic, whatever -- who are at risk. However, in 5-10 years, if there is a widespread movement against vaccination (or, say, an unrestricted flow of millions of people who are from countries that don't vaccinate), then you have a public health crisis.

Civilization is built, not natural.

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 05:58 PM (QAOZh)

48 RFK Jr.
He used to come into our Pizzeria.
...........

He used to come to my heroin den.

Posted by: Pimp 1982 at January 10, 2017 05:58 PM (HgMAr)

49 Could it be that giving the Kennedy dunce a minor role is the idea of having him "inside the tent pissing out rather than outside the tent pissing in"????

See also Elaine Chao, wife of Senator Yertle the Turtle.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 10, 2017 05:58 PM (ujg0T)

50 I knew I would post as Nutt Russell again.

Posted by: eleven at January 10, 2017 05:58 PM (qUNWi)

51 The thing that I will always remember about vaccines
was my Mother literally weeping for joy when the polio vaccine became
available. Until you've lived through hearing your Mother crying at the
news that so and so's child just got put into an iron lung, you just
don't get the impact of a safe vaccine.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now @SMcEvil on GAB at January 10, 2017 05:55 PM (kXoT0)
=====================================

Yup.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 05:59 PM (dFi94)

52 Can anyone understand that CNN story? It is incomprehensible to me. A synopsis is supposed to summarize a longer report- but CNN makes it sound like the "synopsis" includes a bunch of different and unverified allegations.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at January 10, 2017 05:59 PM (CLKfs)

53
I do think though it's one of these over stated fears that have a
big potential for government to get very totalitarian on this principle.



Like Texas with Gardasil. If you don't want your daughter to get a
gardasil shot, you're opening up the population to HPV. Rinse and
repeat for every disease.


That's true of most any policy that makes for a civilization. It's not totalitarian for a society to demand that people living in it submit to immunization against diseases such as smallpox or polio, diseases which can be spread easily.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 10, 2017 05:59 PM (fKWf6)

54 I think Trump is just trying to wear people down with all these picks. This is like Obama's 100 czars.

Posted by: Max Power at January 10, 2017 05:59 PM (q177U)

55 willowed:

277 Washington state used to hang people. The last one I think was a real piece of shit named Westley Allen Dodd. A pedophile who built a torture chamber for little boys he kidnapped from local parks.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 10, 2017 05:51 PM (4ErVI)


According to murderpedia, Dodd's torture chamber never got past the planning stage, i.e. he drew the design plans in his diary, but that was it.

He still was a sick child molesting monster, though, who was hung by the state of Washington 1993 for murder.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at January 10, 2017 05:59 PM (bZbkb)

56 Trump told us that he will do these type of things so not surprising.

Hillary will never be President.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 10, 2017 05:59 PM (n0xeO)

57 Wow, national security officials are sure doing a lot of leaking lately. That seems to be kind of a problem.

Posted by: bananaDream at January 10, 2017 05:59 PM (Ag8Mw)

58 It would be ok by me if this commission's findings found vaccines to be very valuable with a risk level so low it would be insane to NOT vaccinate children.

Posted by: Taqyia2Me - Deploribus Unum at January 10, 2017 05:59 PM (Ftuf+)

59 Remember: we've been told that so-and-so was going to be the new secretary of x before by the press and it turned out to be utter nonsense. So, wait and see.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 10, 2017 06:00 PM (39g3+)

60
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 10, 2017 05:57 PM (39g3+)


Problem is that this rapidly becomes like the Abortion 'debate'....

You are either all in for every shot they want to give our kids, and ourselves...

or don't want ANYTHING....

There is a middle position... I think that most vaccines are effective and should be given... BUT, when it becomes a profit center for a company, or when the politicians get bought off... there is room for skepticism...

Saying your are skeptical about one or two shots... doesn't mean you are anti everything...

Posted by: Don Q. at January 10, 2017 06:00 PM (qf6WZ)

61 However, in 5-10 years, if there is a widespread movement against vaccination (or, say, an unrestricted flow of millions of people who are from countries that don't vaccinate), then you have a public health crisis.

Civilization is built, not natural.
Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 05:58 PM (QAOZh)

True dat. Drug resistant Tb is making a huge comeback thank to all our "new" immigrants. One of the key features of immigration through NYC was Ellis Island where people were quarantined, but, hey, that's discriminatory, so let's all roll the dice with third world diseases.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now @SMcEvil on GAB at January 10, 2017 06:00 PM (kXoT0)

62
This discussion does bring in the immigration problem though. I and my children are not vaccinated against all those weird strains of diseases we see coming from S. America and elsewhere.

Their used to be a time when we smartly put people in quarantine before they were granted immigration. Building a wall might help.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 10, 2017 06:01 PM (ODxAs)

63 Mary finally said something intelligible; yes, there need to be many wood arrests of persons, like anarchists, rioting at the inauguration.

I recommend hickory.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 10, 2017 05:58 PM (gAXee)


I agree. There's nothing like a good piece of hickory.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at January 10, 2017 06:01 PM (bZbkb)

64 RFK Jr.

Supreme troll

Michael Mann next

Posted by: Golfman at January 10, 2017 06:01 PM (uNC2D)

65 >>>NOTE: I teach virology.
Posted by: retropox at January 10, 2017 05:53 PM (DysUf)

But what if this is the outcome?

-->21 When the report says get vaccinations and RFKjr has to stand there and smile for the presser it will be fun.
Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2017 05:52 PM (2RVmA)

Posted by: m at January 10, 2017 06:01 PM (3jGss)

66 Big Pharma's gotta get its paycheck somehow.


Posted by: Methos at January 10, 2017 05:58 PM (3Liv/)
==================================

I had mumps. I had measles. I lost a significant portion of my eyesight as a result. I would have loved to have had Big Pharma.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:01 PM (dFi94)

67 According to murderpedia, Dodd's torture chamber never got past the planning stage, i.e. he drew the design plans in his diary, but that was it.

Look up H.H. Holmes sometime, the country's first serial killer. The story of that guy is difficult to even believe. Horrendous beyond description.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 10, 2017 06:02 PM (39g3+)

68 34 I actually agree with this... on the surface so to speak. Anti vaccine people are incredibly retarded about this subject.....
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity woman extraordinary) at January 10, 2017 05:54 PM (yTnCT)


FTFY

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at January 10, 2017 06:02 PM (CPk08)

69 I will note that CA, moonbat central, has changed the laws there to require many childhood immunizations.

The Cluebat Of Reality struck them on the head for once.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 10, 2017 06:02 PM (gAXee)

70 If it keeps the Kennedys quiet and off his back I'm not concerned.

Posted by: Tuna at January 10, 2017 06:02 PM (JSovD)

71
Watching The Five, they just showed a segment of The New York Rodeo. When did bull riders start wearing helmets?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.


Do the bulls have air bags?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 10, 2017 06:02 PM (IqV8l)

72 I do not see this as a big deal.

Posted by: steevy at January 10, 2017 06:03 PM (r/0kC)

73 Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now @SMcEvil on GAB

Immigration = scene in Godfather 2

Posted by: Golfman at January 10, 2017 06:03 PM (uNC2D)

74 I don't think Trump has a lot of illusions about Putin. Most of his appointments including Coates just the other day are Russia hawks.

And I don't think it's a coincidence that he put Tillerson, somebody who probably knows Putin and the inner workings of Russia better than anybody at the CIA or State, as his top diplomat.

Romney was always right. Russia is our biggest strategic foe but there are many ways to deal with a foe. Trump does it through deals so I'm not surprised he has tried to make nicey nice with Putin so far. You don't make a lot of deals with people you publicly insult.

I'm willing to try his approach for a change. The alternative sure as shit hasn't worked.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2017 06:03 PM (/tuJf)

75 Uh, Gardisil is a completely different thing. It is a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease -- it is impossible to get it without having unprotected sex. I actually oppose mandating the Gardisil vaccine for a variety of reasons, not least of which is it is an unnecessary risk if you're daughter isn't a slut.

Unlike polio or MMR, which are spread through water or casual contact, so you can't help but get it if exposed.

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:03 PM (QAOZh)

76 I thought SCIENCE wasn't up for debate?

It isn't for "climate change" but is for vaccines?

Huh. Weird.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 10, 2017 06:03 PM (4ErVI)

77 This is all fine and good, but what about chemtrails? What are you going to do about that?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at January 10, 2017 06:03 PM (6Ll1u)

78 Politically, it's beautiful. The "I love science" brigade put directly against the mindless celeb/ Kennedy worshippers and dim Oprah moms. Isn't that so, so obvious?

As for the science, some people at fine with aggressive American vaccine schedules. No one's stopping you. If your concern is autism, maybe your child should go on a more European schedule. I'm actually not fine with completely ignoring vaccines except in case of severely compromised immune systems, but whatever. It's a commission, what's the last thing of importance to come out of one?

Posted by: trev006 at January 10, 2017 06:03 PM (Krdds)

79 I had mumps. I had measles. I lost a significant portion of my eyesight as a result. I would have loved to have had Big Pharma.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:01 PM (dFi94)

My younger sister gave my Mother's brother the mumps, he would have kissed Big Pharma's feet not to have had that. Lucky for him, he and his wife already had their kids. I know other guys with adult onset mumps who did not get to have families.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now @SMcEvil on GAB at January 10, 2017 06:04 PM (kXoT0)

80 34
I actually agree with this... on the surface so to speak. Anti vaccine
people are very passionate about this subject. Putting an anti vacciner
in charge of looking into the safety and schedule of vaccination s
isn't a bad idea. He will scrutinize the thing to try to prove he is
right, but if he is wrong then he has to admit that. Other anti-vaxxers
will be more open to one of their own saying all is well than they
would someone who ignores their concerns and tells them to shut up. And
I do think vaccination schedule needs to be revisited.

Besides, who knows, it's at least possible the vaccines are problematic for some kids.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity woman extraordinary) at January 10, 2017 05:54 PM (yTnCT)
This. Vaccines were a problem for my child - landed her in ER twice. If I could go back in time, I would do it all so differently as in delay it and spread it out and most importantly split the MMR into individual doses.

Posted by: IC at January 10, 2017 06:04 PM (a0IVu)

81 There is a middle position... I think that most vaccines are effective and should be given... BUT, when it becomes a profit center for a company, or when the politicians get bought off... there is room for skepticism...

And that is where Trump seems to lean, but there's a big difference between saying "do they really need all that??" and saying "vaccines make autistic children, I saw it on Oprah!"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 10, 2017 06:04 PM (39g3+)

82 Putting an anti vacciner in charge of looking into the safety and schedule of vaccinations isn't a bad idea.

It's the same theory that Roosevelt used when he put his grandfather in charge of the SEC. Use a thief to catch a thief.

Posted by: tu3031 at January 10, 2017 06:04 PM (qJhUV)

83 I'm still holding to the hope that the Trump Administration will be "Not A Complete Total Clusterfuck Of A Disaster".

A low bar, granted, but then I had to live through the Obama Years.

As such, I'm willing to live (for now) with a stuttering fool as Vaccines Tsar or whatever the hell's going on here. I've seen worse in the last eight years. Far, far worse.

Posted by: filbert at January 10, 2017 06:05 PM (s5o+q)

84 Regarding Polio, look up the history of polio vaccines and SV40. Simian virus 40

Huge swaths of the population were given this and any credibly scientists belive now it has a lot to do with cancer cases, but government scientists always know best and made all of this mandatory for children.

This has all been admitted by the CDC, it's not tin foil hat conspiracy nonsense. Around 90% of US children were exposed to it between the years of 1955-1963 though polio vaccines.

Posted by: Tyler at January 10, 2017 06:05 PM (nq/J2)

85 Trump seems to be reaching around ... to the other side, here and there. His son in law Kushner might be good, idk. But Kushner's lawyer is Jamie Gorelick. When it comes to the fox guarding the henhouse, Gorelick got to investigate herself ... and kept her big bonuses from Fannie.

NY Times article ... just search for gorelick

http://tinyurl.com/jaalu58

Posted by: illiniwek at January 10, 2017 06:05 PM (/aIFg)

86 A Kennedy? Seriously?

At least Jenny McCarthy would be qualified if purely from a rackage perspective.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 10, 2017 06:05 PM (8ZskC)

87 Trump spokescritter has walked this back with the usual "President-elect Trump had a nice chat with Mr Kennedy and values his input". (Paraphrased.)

Looks like a nothingburger. Fingers crossed, because RFK is a slimeball.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at January 10, 2017 06:05 PM (2yngH)

88 >>if you're daughter isn't a slut.


Because Cancer only happens to sluts.

Posted by: garrett at January 10, 2017 06:05 PM (hjpzi)

89 I had mumps. I had measles. I lost a significant portion of my eyesight as a result. I would have loved to have had Big Pharma.
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I had chicken pox.

I got over it.

I'm not really sure why people assume someone who says 'Gee, there's an awful lot of mandatory vaccinations/cash flow to the politically connected' really means 'All vaccines must be banned'.

Posted by: Methos at January 10, 2017 06:05 PM (3Liv/)

90 Grammie, you are a lady of style, sophistication, commonsense.

I therefore find it inappropriate to agree with you in the manner I wish; namely ... fuckin'-A-right.

(I'm partially deaf in one ear due to mumps meningitis).

Posted by: retropox at January 10, 2017 06:06 PM (DysUf)

91 The thing that I will always remember about vaccines was my Mother literally weeping for joy when the polio vaccine became available. Until you've lived through hearing your Mother crying at the news that so and so's child just got put into an iron lung, you just don't get the impact of a safe vaccine.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil
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There are a number of us here who can recall the polio epidemic(s) of the early 50's.

I watch things like the doofus ad by the guy whose 'biggest problem' was that he couldn't find a shirt that looks good untucked, or hear a Millennial complaining about cell phone service, or etc., and I can only barely stop myself from explicitly explaining to them what small, whiny, soft infants they are.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 10, 2017 06:06 PM (ZO497)

92 The science is settled. Putting an elite in charge who disputes it makes him seem like one of those uneducated flyover rubes. Kennedy has been trolled.

Posted by: NCKate at January 10, 2017 06:06 PM (J1ZXn)

93 "His opinion doesn't matter, but the science does matter and we ought to be reading the science and we ought to be debating the science."


Because whenever I want someone reading and debating the science, and then rendering a considered judgment, it's always a retarded Kennedy.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:06 PM (SRKgf)

94 This is all fine and good, but what about chemtrails? What are you going to do about that?


America will have YUGE, luxurious chemtrails. The best.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 10, 2017 06:06 PM (8ZskC)

95 8 5
Who will rid me of these turbulent Kennedys?
Posted by: pep at January 10, 2017 05:46 PM (LAe3v)
Funny, I say the same thing about Bushes and Clintons.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 10, 2017 05:47 PM (jxbfJ)



What? No love for Soros and his spawn?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:07 PM (SRKgf)

96 @88, yeah, actually, cancer caused by *HPV* only happens to sluts. It's an STD. How does unprotected, nonmonogamous sex not imply a certain low moral standard?

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:07 PM (QAOZh)

97
I believe people should be able to choose, that said I have no problem with the govt saying you can't attend school if you aren't vaccinated. Home schooling is another choice if they want.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 10, 2017 06:07 PM (ODxAs)

98 My kids are vaccinated and I'm not exactly sceptical about the shots just about the schedule for the shots. That said, if Trump does put jr in charge of it and jr tries to pull a Kennedy and lie about the Vax being safe, do you really think Trump won't read the original reports and bitch slap jr back to Boston?

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity woman extraordinary) at January 10, 2017 06:07 PM (yTnCT)

99 Really though something appeals to me about anti-vaxx liberals being forced to vaccinate their children at the point of a government gun.

I know, I know slippery slope and all, but...

It would be delicious.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 10, 2017 06:07 PM (4ErVI)

100 Harvard grad, heroin and cocaine user, environmental activist, 2nd wife hung herself.
Yeah, good choice Donald.

Posted by: wth at January 10, 2017 06:07 PM (HgMAr)

101 Also, I don't think Santeria is getting the federal funding it deserves.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 10, 2017 06:07 PM (8ZskC)

102 I'm not really sure why people assume someone who
says 'Gee, there's an awful lot of mandatory vaccinations/cash flow to
the politically connected' really means 'All vaccines must be banned'.


Posted by: Methos at January 10, 2017 06:05 PM (3Liv/)
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I think it is a foolish thing to say that vaccines are driven by Big Pharma.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:08 PM (dFi94)

103 Sunday night on History Channel you can hear in his own words all the ways you have let down Barack Obama for the last 8 years.Must miss TV.

Posted by: steevy at January 10, 2017 06:08 PM (r/0kC)

104 100 Harvard grad, heroin and cocaine user, environmental activist, 2nd wife hung herself.
Yeah, good choice Donald.
Posted by: wth at January 10, 2017 06:07 PM (HgMAr)


Well, if he signs on, he'll earn the wrath of Merely Strep.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2017 06:08 PM (mbhDw)

105 I've no dog in the vaccine fight.

That said, I see that a doctor from the Cleveland Clinic just got stomped on pretty hard for writing an op-ed arguing that maybe we should take a second look at current policies.

If we, as Morons question Global Warming, why can't this area of science undergo a rigorous discussion. Based on real scientific inquiry and not a Hollywood facsimile.

Just a thought...

Posted by: Browndog at January 10, 2017 06:08 PM (ccfl2)

106 >>Their used to be a time when we smartly put people in quarantine before
they were granted immigration. Building a wall might help.


There was a time when we turned away people with infection diseases like AIDS and TB (my great grandmother's brother was turned away for having TB).
Not anymore - that kind of thing is racist or something!!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2017 06:08 PM (NOIQH)

107 I had measles, mumps, chicken pox and German measles. By the time my son was born thank God they had vaccines for all but chicken pox. My grandchildren will never get any of them. I say hooray for Big Pharma. I know my parents were beyond excited when the first polio vaccine became available.

Posted by: Tuna at January 10, 2017 06:08 PM (JSovD)

108 Harvard grad, heroin and cocaine user, environmental activist, 2nd wife hung herself.

Point of grammatical order:

Horses are hung. People are hanged.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 10, 2017 06:09 PM (8ZskC)

109 @Methos, I think the thing is, anti-vaxxers go after the actually useful vaccines -- MMR, polio, meningitis. If they stuck to obviously optional and not really serious ones (chicken pox, flu, HPV), they would have a much stronger case because it really isn't necessary to vaccinate against those. But why attack the ones that save lives?

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:09 PM (QAOZh)

110 Posted by: retropox at January 10, 2017 06:06 PM (DysUf)
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Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:10 PM (dFi94)

111 Allegations now shift from 'Trump is a treasonous alt-right Kremlin puppet' to ' 'Trump is being blackmailed by the eeeevvilll Rooshian haxxors.' Wish they'd get their stories straight.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at January 10, 2017 06:10 PM (0Rr2q)

112 These commissions don't mean shit.How many of any of their recommendations get implemented?

Posted by: steevy at January 10, 2017 06:10 PM (r/0kC)

113 Who will rid me of these turbulent Kennedys?




Cessna & Oldsmobile?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2017 06:10 PM (qpKia)

114
I think it is a foolish thing to say that vaccines are driven by Big Pharma.
Posted by: grammie winger


I don't this it's foolish at all.

Like the Gardasil case I cited with Rick Perry.

Imagine the windfall for these pharmaceutical companies if they can make a new mandatory vaccine.

Flu shots are big money also.

That doesn't negate the value of vaccines, but we shouldn't blindly think these people always have our best interests at heart.

Posted by: Maritime at January 10, 2017 06:11 PM (rLp05)

115 >>I believe people should be able to choose, that said I have no problem with the govt saying you can't attend school if you aren't vaccinated. Home schooling is another choice if they want.

You'd need a bigger quarantine than that. Kids don't just interact with other kids and society for that matter at school.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2017 06:11 PM (/tuJf)

116 96 @88, yeah, actually, cancer caused by *HPV* only happens to sluts. It's an STD. How does unprotected, nonmonogamous sex not imply a certain low moral standard?
Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:07 PM (QAOZh)



You know, if there WAS an effective vaccine for AIDS (not likely, because it mutates so easily, right?), I would NOT discourage it just because "those dirty butt-pirates are the ones getting it and they deserve it."

Let's NOT play into the Left's narrative of we conservatives being nasty and vindictive.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 10, 2017 06:11 PM (ujg0T)

117 The new MFM narrative: Trump was blackmailed by the Russians because the Russians had compromising personal and financial information about him.

Posted by: Libertarianwannabe at January 10, 2017 06:11 PM (nQ10o)

118

The thing that I will always remember about vaccines was my Mother literally weeping for joy when the polio vaccine became available.


I went to high school with a guy who was a victim of polio. The next level of the disease would have been living in an iron lung. Yeah, polio is THAT bad.


FWIW, I did an end-run around ObamaCare: I had Tdap & MMR updates in 2013 ... about 8 months before a couple of outbreaks in the CA and Arkansas areas, maybe others too. Over the preceding 6 months, I got just about all the available immunizations: Hep, Meningitis, Pneumonia ... and we'e had Meningitis alerts here in CA during that time.

The vaccinations are much preferable to the diseases. I think your mileage will not vary.

Posted by: Arbalest at January 10, 2017 06:11 PM (FlRtG)

119 I think it is a foolish thing to say that vaccines are driven by Big Pharma.
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You think it's less foolish to trust the government?

Posted by: Methos at January 10, 2017 06:11 PM (3Liv/)

120 Who will rid me of these turbulent Kennedys?




Cessna & Oldsmobile?


Hey, WTF???

Posted by: Mannlicher Carcano at January 10, 2017 06:11 PM (8ZskC)

121 Sunday night on History Channel you can hear in his own words all the ways you have let down Barack Obama for the last 8 years.Must miss TV.
Posted by: steevy
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Well, of course, he took it as 'a personal insult' that we did vote for Hillary.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 10, 2017 06:12 PM (ZO497)

122 >>Who will rid me of these turbulent Kennedys?




>>Cessna Oldsmobile?


And me!

Posted by: Vail Tree at January 10, 2017 06:12 PM (NOIQH)

123 Horses are hung. People are hanged.





So, John Holmes & Long Dong Silver were hanged?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2017 06:12 PM (qpKia)

124 "Horses are hung. People are hanged."

Fuck grammar.

"Sheriff Bart, they said you was hung."
"And they was right."

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 10, 2017 06:12 PM (SIY7D)

125 >> actually, cancer caused by *HPV* only happens to sluts. It's an STD. How does unprotected, nonmonogamous sex not imply a certain low moral standard?
Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:07 PM (QAOZh)



Wow. You are an idiot.

Posted by: garrett at January 10, 2017 06:13 PM (hjpzi)

126 Well, of course, he took it as 'a personal insult' that we did vote for Hillary.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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".. did not..." dammit.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 10, 2017 06:13 PM (ZO497)

127 Meh.

Remember, they're gaslighting us 24 / 365.

Let's see what happens before we get all twisted up.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 10, 2017 06:13 PM (nuyGw)

128 I've put hand sanitizer on my shopping list.

Posted by: Weasel at January 10, 2017 06:13 PM (Sfs6o)

129 That doesn't negate the value of vaccines, but we shouldn't blindly think these people always have our best interests at heart.

I agree, some caution and skepticism is warranted, but on the whole vaccinations are much better than not. I do agree at the same time, though, that pounding them all into the baby in a small time period is just not good for them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 10, 2017 06:13 PM (39g3+)

130 @116 Curmudgeon, I'm not discouraging it. I am saying that making it mandatory for school attendance is wrong. If someone wants to vaccinate, fine. I am personally opposed to lifestyle vaccines. I also wouldn't vaccinate against opiate addiction (which was floated as a possibility).

That said, while we're talking about lifestyle (as opposed to health) mandates, I wouldn't put my teenage daughter on birth control and would oppose a government mandate requiring it for the same reason.

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:13 PM (QAOZh)

131 America will have YUGE, luxurious chemtrails. The best.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 10, 2017 06:06 PM (8ZskC)
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I'd have believed you more if you had put "very, very" in there somewhere.

Posted by: Axeman at January 10, 2017 06:14 PM (2mC6G)

132 CNN? Kennedy?
Comic relief!
Trump has it all goin' on.
Stay tuned.
Aloha.

Posted by: 80's music fan at January 10, 2017 06:14 PM (PHcLa)

133 >> I've put hand sanitizer on my shopping list.


Ace put a cape on his penis.

Tomato
Tomahto

Posted by: garrett at January 10, 2017 06:14 PM (hjpzi)

134 Just saw the video. Ted Cruz brought the gun to the democrat knife fight.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 10, 2017 06:14 PM (89T5c)

135 There are vaccinations I wish I could get now but can't, because of autoimmune issues. I think my daughter had her pediatrician break out the measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, diptheria series instead of plopping the whole thing into the grandkids' immune systems.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:15 PM (dFi94)

136 @125, garrett, and you make a strong argument. BTW, despite never being vaccinated, I have also never contracted an STD. I wonder how....

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:15 PM (QAOZh)

137 Huge swaths of the population were given this and any credibly scientists belive now it has a lot to do with cancer cases, but government scientists always know best and made all of this mandatory for children.

In 1998, the National Cancer Institute undertook a large study, using cancer case information from the Institute's SEER database. The published findings from the study revealed that there was no increased incidence of cancer in persons who may have received vaccine containing SV40.[28] Another large study in Sweden examined cancer rates of 700,000 individuals who had received potentially contaminated polio vaccine as late as 1957; the study again revealed no increased cancer incidence between persons who received polio vaccines containing SV40 and those who did not.[29] The question of whether SV40 causes cancer in humans remains controversial however, and the development of improved assays for detection of SV40 in human tissues will be needed to resolve the controversy.[26]]/i]


It's not even clear that SV40 causes cancer in humans at all, much less has affected the incidence.

So until credible evidence of such is to hand, it IS tin foil hat conspiracy nonsense.

Sorry.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:15 PM (SRKgf)

138 Oops.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:16 PM (SRKgf)

139 I wish the kennedy's weren't involved at all, but PE Trump took down the clintons, the bush's and Fredo so I'll cut him some slack on this. "Some"

Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 10, 2017 06:16 PM (SjImc)

140 15 All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's Reproductive Hellth Clinik watch that idiot Session's lie today just as bad as Trump. He obviously does nots like are Presdent of Color and probably wood arrest all persons of colora like it was 1865. We demand Presdent Obamama does something to stop this guy and appoints someone like Alf Sharllleton or jessy Jacksoon as the Attorning General thing. Trump lied and Amerrica died !!!!!!!!
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT (Soon to be Obamaboro, VT) at January 10, 2017 05:50 PM (Fbj4h)


Now THAT is a post worthy of (D)U.

Well done!

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover Karl Marx at January 10, 2017 06:16 PM (gMcji)

141 "This feeds into my other worry about Trump -- that he's a star-struck star-f***er and just really digs celebrities and will do what they say if they say nice things about him."

Once again, Ace is wrong about Trump.

We just had a huge star-f***er in the White House.

Trump insults A-listers all the time. Almost daily

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 10, 2017 06:16 PM (SIY7D)

142 Apparently in a release Trump people just stated RFK is NOT (at least for now) heading a vaccine committee. Could still happen, or RFK was running his mouth thinking erroneously he had it in the bag.

Posted by: Anon at January 10, 2017 06:17 PM (MyjDc)

143 Jay teases the barrel.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 10, 2017 06:17 PM (ZO497)

144 Please remember how much of the vaccination panic is due to Andrew Wakefield's Lancet study, which was so utterly fraudulent they had to print a total retraction.

First thing Trump has done since the election to really upset me. Things were going so well.

Posted by: Sausage McMuffin at January 10, 2017 06:17 PM (e4ZX9)

145 Do we ever think the Russians are NOT trying to do shit?

I never understood the hysteria around this.

I assume they try to hack every election and every President.

I assume we attempt hacks on them, too.

The story here is that they were able to do so because of the incompetent idiots in the DNC and Hillary's private server, no?

Why doesn't anyone on our side point this out?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at January 10, 2017 06:17 PM (nUdSA)

146 >>garrett, and you make a strong argument. BTW, despite never being vaccinated, I have also never contracted an STD. I wonder how....


It's called luck, dipshit.

it takes two to fuck.

Posted by: garrett at January 10, 2017 06:17 PM (hjpzi)

147 My mother told me about a polio outbreak when she was little. They closed a pool or playground or something. Vaccines are miracles.

Posted by: CaliGirl at January 10, 2017 06:17 PM (IgBFP)

148 Yeah Obama was the guy with stars in his eyes, Trump seems to think he's at least cooler than all of them combined.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 10, 2017 06:18 PM (39g3+)

149 I agree, some caution and skepticism is warranted, but on the whole vaccinations are much better than not. I do agree at the same time, though, that pounding them all into the baby in a small time period is just not good for them.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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I gave a bit of pushback on this when my first born came, and they treated it as a big deal and I was a very bad person.

That's why I have a problem with the whole "let's persecute people that question vaccination safety" even though I'm not on board with "not vaccinating".

And there were all sorts of NASTY things that happened when polio vaccines were being made mandatory that actually gave a lot of people polio and other diseases that may have links to cancer.

The government and scientists are not always right, see global warming for a good example.

Posted by: Maritime at January 10, 2017 06:18 PM (rLp05)

150 My first girlfriend had a sister who was a polio victim, she had to wear one shoe that was taller than the other. And she was lucky, some had it way worse. The younger ones here don't remember what it was like.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at January 10, 2017 06:18 PM (6Ll1u)

151 127. Bingo. This crap is made-up, like everything else. Anonymous sources, blah, blah, blah.

I've got an anonymous source telling me that the Chinese and Arabs are pissed that Hillary didn't come thru and want their bribes back. Prove I don't.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at January 10, 2017 06:18 PM (0Rr2q)

152 Trump is crazy like a fox:

The anti-vax crowd is predominately made up of non-Trump voters: Rich, White, Liberal, Think-They're-Schmmmmmmmaaaarrrrrt .

Their kids - the ones at risk - are fucked anyway, preventable-disease-wise.
_______

In the Back-When I looked at this issue a lot. The thing about all the anti-vax tales-of-woe? They nearly always started with a symptom which contraindicated a vaccine.

THE CDC ITSELF states when you should NOT give a kid a vaccine. Kid has a cold? no vax. Kid's allergic to eggs? Kid had a previous bad reaction? Family history? Other factors?

The CDC is the best resource for deciding to NOT getting your kid vaccinated.

Frankly, the scariest thing about the whole Vaccine? question for me came from a Provider/Nurse website. It was a chat board.

The question: I left the bottle of vaccine on the counter instead of putting it back in the fridge overnight. Is it still okay to use?

The answer: Yeah, it should be.

....

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 10, 2017 06:18 PM (om8sC)

153 The story here is that they were able to do so because of the incompetent idiots in the DNC and Hillary's private server, no?

Why doesn't anyone on our side point this out?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at January 10, 2017 06:17 PM (nUdSA)



Bingo. And Red China was hacking us a few years back and the Obamunists apparently did nothing about that.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 10, 2017 06:18 PM (ujg0T)

154 @Methos, I think the thing is, anti-vaxxers go after the actually useful
vaccines -- MMR, polio, meningitis. If they stuck to obviously optional
and not really serious ones (chicken pox, flu, HPV), they would have a
much stronger case because it really isn't necessary to vaccinate
against those. But why attack the ones that save lives?
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That I couldn't tell you. Most of my opinion on the subject comes from friends who are appalled at what the state is demanding they inflict on their children by virtue of the sheer volume of shots. The stuff we took a couple of generations ago isn't cause for objection as far as they're concerned.

I'm mainly arguing because it alarms me when our side treats an argument the same way the global warming cult treats climate deniers. Folks have precious little reason to be as sure of the position they're taking beyond 'well the government told me so'.

Posted by: Methos at January 10, 2017 06:18 PM (3Liv/)

155 >>That doesn't negate the value of vaccines, but we shouldn't blindly think these people always have our best interests at heart.


I don't agree with the "science" of global warming because the scientists won't share the science and virtually everything they have predicted has been flat wrong.

The science behind vaccines is out there for all to see and so are the results. And it is abundantly obvious that vaccines for things such as polio, measles, mumps and other childhood diseases that were deadly perils not so long ago are life savers.

It isn't blind acceptance at all. It actually is science and it has been proven over and over and over. At some point constant questioning in the face of overwhelming factual evidence turns into conspiracy theory.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2017 06:19 PM (/tuJf)

156 Ummmm if the oppo came from the NeverTrump oppo team, how can any of it be classified?

Posted by: alexthechick - ho ho ho now I've got a Ravage at January 10, 2017 06:19 PM (dEQP3)

157 Do we ever think the Russians are NOT trying to do shit?

I never understood the hysteria around this.

I assume they try to hack every election and every President.

I assume we attempt hacks on them, too.

The story here is that they were able to do so because of the incompetent idiots in the DNC and Hillary's private server, no?

Why doesn't anyone on our side point this out?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at January 10, 2017 06:17 PM (nUdSA)

I have. Every day since they brought the Rsukies up. The Russians have been trying to fuck with The West and especially us since WW2. The only thing that changes is the method.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 10, 2017 06:19 PM (SjImc)

158 Garrett -- dude, BREATHE. What word did I use that you apparently missed? *Nonmonogamous.* If you are sleeping with someone outside a committed relationship, you are putting yourself at risk of a lot of very bad things, HPV being one of the more minor ones.

This has been in safe sex ed since, like, 1983. Are you just all hurt because I used the word slut?

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:20 PM (QAOZh)

159 Parents freaking out about non-vaccine kids at school. If your kids are vaccinated, how can they harm your kids?

The idea behind vaccinations is to engender herd immunity, so that if someone does get the disease, it is unlikely to find another host, and therefore a nascent epidemic will die out before getting started.

While parents shouldn't freak about the odd non-vaccinated kid at school, not all vaccinations work, and their kids might as a consequence be exposed to and catch the disease, so discouraging attendance of non-vaccinated kids is sensible.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:20 PM (SRKgf)

160 Star-struck? Didn't Trump just fire off a tweet storm against A-Lister Merle Strepe?

Saying she was "overrated" or something to that effect?

Posted by: mrp at January 10, 2017 06:20 PM (JBggj)

161 Shoulda went to Harvard and did heroin and cocaine, where they may have taught me how to stutter.
That seems to be their specialty, right?

Posted by: wth at January 10, 2017 06:20 PM (HgMAr)

162 The science behind vaccines is out there for all to see and so are the results. And it is abundantly obvious that vaccines for things such as polio, measles, mumps and other childhood diseases that were deadly perils not so long ago are life savers.

It isn't blind acceptance at all. It actually is science and it has been proven over and over and over. At some point constant questioning in the face of overwhelming factual evidence turns into conspiracy theory.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2017 06:19 PM (/tuJf)

I'm with yoos!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 10, 2017 06:20 PM (SjImc)

163 I don't agree with the "science" of global warming because the scientists won't share the science and virtually everything they have predicted has been flat wrong.

The science behind vaccines is out there for all to see and so are the results. And it is abundantly obvious that vaccines for things such as polio, measles, mumps and other childhood diseases that were deadly perils not so long ago are life savers.

It isn't blind acceptance at all. It actually is science and it has been proven over and over and over. At some point constant questioning in the face of overwhelming factual evidence turns into conspiracy theory.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2017 06:19 PM (/tuJf)



Thank you. Excellent point, and well made.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:20 PM (SRKgf)

164 You think it's less foolish to trust the government?


Posted by: Methos at January 10, 2017 06:11 PM (3Liv/)
=====================================

Medicine is not government. It might be regulated by government, but it is not government.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:21 PM (dFi94)

165 156. That's classified, too. But it's legit - trust us. That's about the extent of it, always.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at January 10, 2017 06:22 PM (0Rr2q)

166 Frankly, the scariest thing about the whole Vaccine? question for me came from a Provider/Nurse website. It was a chat board.

The question: I left the bottle of vaccine on the counter instead of putting it back in the fridge overnight. Is it still okay to use?

The answer: Yeah, it should be.


They contain preservatives and are sealed, so yeah one night won't matter. Like if you leave a carrot out all night, its still edible and not contaminated.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 10, 2017 06:22 PM (39g3+)

167 Holy shit forget vaccines and Russians:

Twinkies recalled for possible salmonella contamination

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 10, 2017 06:22 PM (SjImc)

168
Watching The Five, they just showed a segment of The New York Rodeo. When did bull riders start wearing helmets?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

Do the bulls have air bags?

do it to stop concussions, but until they come up with a helmet that goes inside you skull to keep the brain from slamming of the skullo. you can't stop concussions

Posted by: EVLINC! at January 10, 2017 06:23 PM (y3aQB)

169 There are a number of us here who can recall the polio epidemic(s) of the early 50's.

I watch things like the doofus ad by the guy whose 'biggest problem' was that he couldn't find a shirt that looks good untucked, or hear a Millennial complaining about cell phone service, or etc., and I can only barely stop myself from explicitly explaining to them what small, whiny, soft infants they are.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 10, 2017 06:06 PM (ZO497)


Aaand... this one goes into my 'Best AosHQ' comments file. Nice work.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at January 10, 2017 06:23 PM (bZbkb)

170 I am sure that male Kennedys have a long history with penicillin.

Posted by: Cheri at January 10, 2017 06:23 PM (oiNtH)

171 My take is Trump has alwsys been a star and so has been at the receiving end of starstruck. But being a 'star' seems that you are gravitated to other 'stars'. So I guess its bound to happen. Wait till JZ wants to come back to the White house.

Posted by: Skip at January 10, 2017 06:23 PM (yx0Ld)

172 148
Yeah Obama was the guy with stars in his eyes, Trump seems to think he's at least cooler than all of them combined.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


I think Trump is savvy enough to know that it's the guy with the bucks (and the WH, for that matter) who have celebrity staying power. He sees the Hwood A-list for the lightweights and shooting stars they are. He's not impressed. He just likes watching them jump.

Posted by: pep at January 10, 2017 06:24 PM (LAe3v)

173 For the younger Morons, the ones who don't remember when MTV played music.

Growing up we had "Chicken Pox Sleepovers" - if one kid in the neighborhood got chickenpox, and the time was convenient for missing school (Christmas, Easter) then other parents would send their kids who hadn't yet had chickenpox over so they could get sick at a more convenient time.

And, I had a classmate die of Rubella while I was in 3rd grade.

This was during the time of Color TeeVee and Video Game Consoles, btw, in a suburban neighborhood.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 10, 2017 06:24 PM (om8sC)

174 Holy shit forget vaccines and Russians:

Twinkies recalled for possible salmonella contamination


Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 10, 2017 06:22 PM (SjImc)
.............

Burp?

Posted by: Michael Moore at January 10, 2017 06:24 PM (HgMAr)

175 The way vaccines work, the more kids who are vaccinated, the better herd immunity you get. WA (where I live) use to have the highest vaccination rates and highest herd immunity. This meant that kids who were unable to get vaccinated due to compromised immune systems or allergies to components of the vaccine, could be protected despite not being vaccinated. Since anti-vaxing became all the rage, lefty granola crunchers stopped vaccinating their kids. Now we have one of the lowest herd immunities here in WA (because we are rife with those types of people). Add to this large swathes of "immigrants" from third world countries who have never been vaccinated and bring active disease with them, and you have all the makings of an epidemiology crisis brewing.

I do agree that I'd rather have RFK tied up on a committee like this than stirring the pot and fomenting moon-battery over climate change, so there is that.

Posted by: runningrn at January 10, 2017 06:24 PM (bpx3v)

176
This might be that stupid Ivanka's doing.

Posted by: Soothsayer Pro Elite 2.0 at January 10, 2017 06:24 PM (GiDKn)

177 166. Wrong. Carrots are never edible. Never intended for human consumption.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at January 10, 2017 06:25 PM (0Rr2q)

178 #157
I have. Every day since they brought the Rsukies up. The Russians have
been trying to fuck with The West and especially us since WW2. The only
thing that changes is the method.
==============

I'm so old, I remember when a Kennedy begged the Soviets to interfere with US presidential elections.

LINK: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ooavlmz

Posted by: mrp at January 10, 2017 06:25 PM (JBggj)

179 One of my NC Officers gave a Sailor 10X the recommended Dose for the Flu Vaccine a few years back. And, of course, It had to be an O-6 he gave it to! LOL

The shit hit the Fan...Went right up to the top of BUMED and caused a Nation Wide Stand Down for a month. LMAO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 10, 2017 06:25 PM (SjImc)

180 Interesting update to the thread...

Posted by: Max Power at January 10, 2017 06:25 PM (q177U)

181 >>Garrett -- dude, BREATHE. What word did I use that you apparently missed? *Nonmonogamous.*


Monogomous doesn't guarantee you, or your daughter anything.

'Protected' sex doesn't guarantee your daughter anything.

To some degree, sure :It's a 'numbers game'. But it's not a zero sum numbers game. You aren't trading 'Virtue' for anything but risk.

Girls who aren't sluts get sexually assaulted on occasion, you know?

...but you would prefer your daughter go at risk, and brag about it, because it makes you feel morally superior.

It's the same virtue signaling crap that we mock day in and day out. And you are crowing it.

Posted by: garrett at January 10, 2017 06:25 PM (hjpzi)

182 Star-struck? Didn't Trump just fire off a tweet storm against A-Lister Merle Strepe?

Saying she was "overrated" or something to that effect?
Posted by: mrp


Not that it matters in the slightest, but 'star-struck' is something that happens in via personal contact.

A lot of conservatives have had introductions to Bill Clinton and have come away thinking that they may have been greatly mistaken that Bill was a bad person. Some do have that kind of charisma in a personal setting.

FOR EXAMPLE TRUMP HIM-DAMN-SELF.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 10, 2017 06:25 PM (V3IFq)

183 Twinkies recalled for possible salmonella contamination

Lies! What part of a Twinkie is a safe environment for salmonella?

Posted by: mikeski at January 10, 2017 06:25 PM (UzBQ4)

184 The vaccine scare is tied up with the autism scare. Whence, Jenny McCarthy

I speculate that increasing autism is because smart people are marrying smart people more than they used to -- they meet in college or at work. Genetically, sometimes this works, well, sometimes it doesn't.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 10, 2017 06:25 PM (SIY7D)

185 The other thing I'd like to point out--all these anti-vaxing activists pretty much all were the beneficiaries of their parents vaccinating them. It's unreal.

Posted by: runningrn at January 10, 2017 06:26 PM (bpx3v)

186 That's why I have a problem with the whole "let's persecute people that question vaccination safety" even though I'm not on board with "not vaccinating".



Questioning is fine, but those doing so need to have a rational basis for it, and that implies serious qualifications and study. Reading magazines at the checkout counter isn't good enough; training in the relevant science, medicine, epidemiology, and/or statistics is the entry ticket to pipe up. Having fake silicone tits is not on the list.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:26 PM (SRKgf)

187 Fox just reported that Trump spokespeople say NO decision has been made about a Vaccine Commission...

/facepalm....

Posted by: Don Q. at January 10, 2017 06:26 PM (qf6WZ)

188
Polio, excerpt:
"The first summer when I was home in Minnesota was that gosh-awful polio epidemic they had there. We admitted 464 proven cases of polio just at the University Hospital, which is unbelievable. And this was a very severe paralytic form. Maybe two or three hours after a lot of these kids would come in with a stiff neck or a fever, they'd be dead. It was unbelievable. It was just loads of people that came in, sometimes with only a fever but usually a headache and a little stiffness in the neck. And just absolutely terrified. At the height of the epidemic, the people in Minneapolis were so frightened that there was nobody in the restaurants. There was practically no traffic, the stores were empty. It just was considered a feat of bravado almost to go out and mingle in public. A lot of people just took up and moved away, went to another city.

— Richard Aldrich, M.D.
quoted in A Paralyzing Fear"

http://preview.tinyurl.com/oflf9ab

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 10, 2017 06:26 PM (ZO497)

189 Yeah, I know the Kennedy's well.

Posted by: Dr Q-Tip at January 10, 2017 06:26 PM (89T5c)

190 Medicine is not government. It might be regulated by government, but it is not government.
---
So this doesn't seem at all to you like the discussion we've had over obamacare for the last seven or eight years?

Posted by: Methos at January 10, 2017 06:26 PM (3Liv/)

191 Downright mackyvellyon it is.

Posted by: freaked at January 10, 2017 06:26 PM (BO/km)

192 36 That vaccination schedule after your child is born is insane. Best to spread it out as much as possible. No harm done with that.
Posted by: Pepe
_________


I agree this made me nervous, but I went along. Just seemed to throw a huge shock of vaccines at a newborn.
Posted by: Maritime at January 10, 2017 05:55 PM (rLp05)

Yeah giving multiple vaccines to new norms at once and that schedule the first year or so is pretty damn heavy.

Posted by: Pepe at January 10, 2017 06:26 PM (iztiu)

193 Growing up we had "Chicken Pox Sleepovers" - if one kid in the neighborhood got chickenpox, and the time was convenient for missing school (Christmas, Easter) then other parents would send their kids who hadn't yet had chickenpox over so they could get sick at a more convenient time.

The older you are, the worse chickenpox are to go through, apparently.

Then, when you're older, you can get shingles, which is basically the revenge of chickenpox lying dormant in your body and coming back to give you wracking agony. I had a mild case but it was pretty awful. Not sure if its related to when you had the pox or not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 10, 2017 06:27 PM (39g3+)

194 My mother told me about a polio outbreak when she
was little. They closed a pool or playground or something. Vaccines are
miracles.



Posted by: CaliGirl at January 10, 2017 06:17 PM (IgBFP)
===================================

I remember the days when the family doctor would stick a big "Quarantine" sign on your door is someone had scarlet fever of whooping cough.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:27 PM (dFi94)

195 Anyone else recall inoculation day at elementary scrool during th 60s, when all the little chirrun' had to line up and get shots from some sort of shot machine thing? It was like being in fricking boot camp in the 2nd grade.

Posted by: Weasel at January 10, 2017 06:28 PM (Sfs6o)

196 I speculate that increasing autism is because smart people are marrying smart people more than they used to -- they meet in college or at work. Genetically, sometimes this works, well, sometimes it doesn't.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 10, 2017 06:25 PM (SIY7D)


Simplest explanation: observation bias. Who'd ever heard of autism two generations ago? Once you start looking, you find it.

It's like ants on a picnic.

"Hey, there's an ant."

"Hey, there's another ant."

Jumping up, "Jesus Christ, they're all over the place!"

The ants were always there, just no one was looking for them.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:28 PM (SRKgf)

197 I do agree that I'd rather have RFK tied up on a committee like this than stirring the pot and fomenting moon-battery over climate change, so there is that.
Posted by: runningrn at January 10, 2017 06:24 PM (bpx3v)



Bingo. Inside Tent Pissing Out, rather than Outside Tent Pissing In.

Increasingly I think Trump is Crazy Like A Fox.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 10, 2017 06:28 PM (ujg0T)

198 Then, when you're older, you can get shingles, which
is basically the revenge of chickenpox lying dormant in your body and
coming back to give you wracking agony. I had a mild case but it was
pretty awful. Not sure if its related to when you had the pox or not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 10, 2017 06:27 PM (39g3+)
============================

The shingles vaccine is one that I wish I could get.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:28 PM (dFi94)

199 meh. Unlike Barack Obama, who never fired anybody, a typical executive has to have some obvious, dedicated whipping boys to thump upon to let the others on the staff know he means business. If this Kennedy chap lives up to the reputation of his family name, he'll be fired quicker than a San Diego security guard with a dick hole in his trousers and a sticky leg.

Posted by: Fritz at January 10, 2017 06:28 PM (FmNHR)

200 Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:07 PM (QAOZh)

You're an idiot.

I have never had sex with anyone but my husband, but if one of the women he'd had sex with before me had given it to him, I'd have caught it, despite only having one sexual partner my entire life.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at January 10, 2017 06:28 PM (nUdSA)

201 Was looking for this; here's Maggie Haberman with the release:

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/818951708143480832

Wouldn't shock if Trump does do this, but let's not underestimate RFK Jr's ability to run his mouth unnecessarily.

Posted by: Anon at January 10, 2017 06:28 PM (MyjDc)

202 I don't agree with the "science" of global warming
because the scientists won't share the science and virtually everything
they have predicted has been flat wrong.
...
It isn't blind acceptance at all. It actually is science and it has
been proven over and over and over. At some point constant questioning
in the face of overwhelming factual evidence turns into conspiracy
theory.

Posted by: JackStraw


This is the real, but less obvious damage done by the AGW crowd. Now, those who are conspiratorially inclined see rogue scientists under every bed. Science, the thing responsible for more human happiness than anything else, is now suspect. Thanks, you hosers.

Posted by: pep at January 10, 2017 06:28 PM (LAe3v)

203 #HolyShitNowWeGotTrump

Posted by: DaveA at January 10, 2017 06:29 PM (8J/Te)

204 @181, no, garrett, and this is where you are dumb and ignorant. The odds of a woman being sexually assaulted AND contracting an STD from it are quite low. The odds of having an adverse to reaction to Gardasil are quite high -- it's actually one of the less safe vaccines around. This like blacking out, getting sick, having a stroke. So the numbers game favors me *not* vaccinating.

Unless I live a certain lifestyle and my exposure is significantly higher than a woman with a single committed partner.

You can call that virtue-signaling if it makes you feel better about your choices.

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:29 PM (QAOZh)

205 A lot of conservatives have had introductions to Bill Clinton and have come away thinking that they may have been greatly mistaken that Bill was a bad person.
-------------
The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that you've got it made.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 10, 2017 06:29 PM (ZO497)

206 Well, the vaccine-autism "linkage" has been thoroughly debunked. But there probably are issues with the quality of current vaccines, and their timing with young children. Also with the "experimental" vaccines given to those in the military.

The young Kennucklehead can either make a name for himself by doing good and useful work on the latter topics, or make an ass of himself by beating the dead autism horse.

And if the latter happens, Trump can say, "You're fired!"

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 10, 2017 06:30 PM (bG+ug)

207
do it to stop concussions, but until they come up with a helmet that goes inside you skull to keep the brain from slamming of the skullo. you can't stop concussions
Posted by: EVLINC! at January 10, 2017 06:23 PM (y3aQB)


It's to prevent cracked skulls from a kick to the head from a pissed off bull

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 10, 2017 06:30 PM (lKyWE)

208 FOR EXAMPLE TRUMP HIM-DAMN-SELF.

People who say this kind of thing haven't noticed a pattern with Donald Trump. He's very positive and nice to people he can get something useful out of or isn't in direct conflict with. He talks great about them, uses nice terms like "nice guy" and "great." He does it with Putin and people think he has a "bromance" (rolling eyes).

Its just his way of dealing with people in public. For him its about building relationships and negotiating, not an admission of love or admiration. He's just got two categories: useful people and enemies. You go in one of those, everyone does.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 10, 2017 06:30 PM (39g3+)

209 We have decades of almost universal use of many childhood vaccines, especially MMR shots. These have all but eliminated many communicable and debilitating, of not outright deadly, diseases (give or take a few million illegal aliens...).

The only ones who don't believe in vaccines are the crystal-worshiping Beverley Hills set.

Now, religious exemptions didn't used to be a big deal, because since most of the population was vaccinated, the diseases didn't have much of a chance to travel around. But when the vaccination rate drops below a certain threshold, all bets are off.

While overuse of anti-bacterials have been bad, there are some diseases that we can almost completely eliminate via vaccination, and we should do so.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 10, 2017 06:30 PM (OzJeO)

210 Anyone else recall inoculation day at elementary
scrool during th 60s, when all the little chirrun' had to line up and
get shots from some sort of shot machine thing? It was like being in
fricking boot camp in the 2nd grade.

Posted by: Weasel at January 10, 2017 06:28 PM (Sfs6o)
==============================

Yep. We lined up in the gym in one of those snake lines and then when it was our turn we swallowed the what-ever. I think that's about the time they started giving us flouride treatments in school too.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:30 PM (dFi94)

211 If by "star fucking" you mean having nothing good to say about most celebrities - like us here - then sure.

Posted by: josephistan at January 10, 2017 06:30 PM (7qAYi)

212 So is the compromising intel really anti-Trump Republican research that leaked?

Posted by: Max Power at January 10, 2017 06:31 PM (q177U)

213 "150 My first girlfriend had a sister who was a polio victim, she had to wear one shoe that was taller than the other. And she was lucky, some had it way worse. The younger ones here don't remember what it was like."

Oh yes. I remember the kids with built up shoes and heavy metal braces on their legs. Some had built up shoes plus braces. If you're a boomer then you remember the stories in magazines about little kids in iron lungs. Polio was truly every parents worst nightmare in the 50s.

Posted by: Tuna at January 10, 2017 06:31 PM (JSovD)

214 Uh, Gardisil is a completely different thing. It is a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease -- it is impossible to get it without having unprotected sex. I actually oppose mandating the Gardisil vaccine for a variety of reasons, not least of which is it is an unnecessary risk if you're daughter isn't a slut.

Unlike polio or MMR, which are spread through water or casual contact, so you can't help but get it if exposed.

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:03 PM (QAOZh)


Uh, you do not seem to have thought this through very well. What if, for example, your daughter waits until marriage to have sex, but marries someone who has the virus? Or are you suggesting that her superior moral/viral radar will allow her to identify and reject all such suitors?

Posted by: HTL at January 10, 2017 06:31 PM (4iOIE)

215 51 The thing that I will always remember about vaccines
was my Mother literally weeping for joy when the polio vaccine became available. Until you've lived through hearing your Mother crying at the news that so and so's child just got put into an iron lung, you just don't get the impact of a safe vaccine.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now @SMcEvil on GAB at January 10, 2017 05:55 PM (kXoT0)


I was born a couple of years after the polio vaccine became widespread but there were older kids in my elementary school who wore braces or used crutches.

My mom often talked about how fortunate we were to have the polio vaccine. The polio scares were still fresh in the minds of adults and older kids in my life.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT at January 10, 2017 06:31 PM (nvMvs)

216 I think that's about the time they started giving us flouride treatments in school too.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:30 PM (dFi94)

hey let's not get crazy now...shit I gotta earn a living after all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 10, 2017 06:32 PM (SjImc)

217 I speculate that increasing autism is because smart people are marrying smart people more than they used to -- they meet in college or at work.

Its like obesity, they keep redefining the term to include more and more, then cry about how awful the autism epidemic is. Look at how many more than before! We need more money to fight this!!!!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 10, 2017 06:32 PM (39g3+)

218 Watching The Five, they just showed a segment of The New York Rodeo. When did bull riders start wearing helmets?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 10, 2017 05:49 PM (ZO497)

Several years ago, IIRC. They were wearing helmets at the national finals Rodeo in Vegas, too.

Injuries in bull-riding aren't accidents. Those fuckers mean it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 10, 2017 06:32 PM (bG+ug)

219 Anyone else recall inoculation day at elementary scrool during th 60s, when all the little chirrun' had to line up and get shots from some sort of shot machine thing? It was like being in fricking boot camp in the 2nd grade.
Posted by: Weasel
---------------

Shot?
Sugar cube.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 10, 2017 06:32 PM (ZO497)

220 195. We had tb tests when I was a young 'un. My angel and her clan all have the smallpox vaccination scars - they did something or other to make them less noticeable. Honestly, you'd have no idea what it was unless you noticed they all have it. And I love the pre-emptive outrage over speculation and rumor about what Trump might do. That's power....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at January 10, 2017 06:32 PM (0Rr2q)

221 https://tinyurl.com/zkxrj5e


NOT SO FAST. Trump Team Denies RFK Jr Will Chair Vaccine Commission

Posted by: EVLINC! at January 10, 2017 06:33 PM (y3aQB)

222 "Simplest explanation: observation bias."

My bias is that every autistic case I know of had "smart parents" and there do seem to be more of them.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 10, 2017 06:33 PM (SIY7D)

223 This is the real, but less obvious damage done by the AGW crowd. Now, those who are conspiratorially inclined see rogue scientists under every bed. Science, the thing responsible for more human happiness than anything else, is now suspect. Thanks, you hosers.

Posted by: pep at January 10, 2017 06:28 PM (LAe3v)



This.

Of course, pig ignorant laymen weighing in on issues they know nothing about is nothing new. During the A-bomb test era retards attributed all sorts of things to the tests.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:33 PM (SRKgf)

224 I never had an iron lung but mom said I ate so much paste that I had an iron stomach.

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 10, 2017 06:33 PM (8ZskC)

225 If you're a boomer then you remember the stories in
magazines about little kids in iron lungs. Polio was truly every
parents worst nightmare in the 50s.

Posted by: Tuna at January 10, 2017 06:31 PM (JSovD)
================================

There was a boy down the street from my mom's that was in an Iron Lung. My mom used to cry at night thinking I'd get polio.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:33 PM (dFi94)

226 222 "Simplest explanation: observation bias."
My bias is that every autistic case I know of had "smart parents" and there do seem to be more of them.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 10, 2017 06:33 PM (SIY7D)



Thank you. Great example of observational bias right there.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:34 PM (SRKgf)

227 We got another upper decker

Posted by: Max Power at January 10, 2017 06:34 PM (q177U)

228 @200, not to compare sexual histories, but my husband was whatever the equivalent of a man-slut is before we met, and I was a virgin. Yet, somehow, I feel like, you know, ASKING about whether he had an STD and him being tested would be a lot more effective than taking a vaccine and hoping that he doesn't have any of the other untreatable STDs.

** BTW, Gardasil only protects against 4 types of HPV. There are something like a dozen out there. Again, watching where you put your dick or where you let dicks get put is still important.

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:34 PM (QAOZh)

229 >>no, garrett, and this is where you are dumb and ignorant. The odds of a woman being sexually assaulted AND contracting an STD from it are quite low.


Mrs. Todd Akin?

Posted by: garrett at January 10, 2017 06:34 PM (hjpzi)

230 Shot?

Sugar cube.
================

I'm pretty sure I got both.

Posted by: mrp at January 10, 2017 06:34 PM (JBggj)

231
I seem to recall junior having nasty things to say about Trump recently. I cannot imagine why President Trump would give this fool the time of day.

Posted by: Soothsayer Pro Elite 2.0 at January 10, 2017 06:34 PM (GiDKn)

232 I think that's about the time they started giving us flouride treatments in school too.


Posted by: grammie winger


I remember that. The next day, I became a Communist.

Posted by: pep at January 10, 2017 06:34 PM (LAe3v)

233 Its like obesity, they keep redefining the term to include more and more, then cry about how awful the autism epidemic is. Look at how many more than before! We need more money to fight this!!!!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 10, 2017 06:32 PM (39g3+)



I am reminded of something my old man, a Depression era child from the proverbial sticks, told me: "In my day, no kids had allergies, but lots of kids had puffy faces, wheezing and runny noses, sometimes severely...."

Could it be the autism problem is just now getting diagnosed, particularly since more pressing childhood ailments have been vanquished?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 10, 2017 06:34 PM (ujg0T)

234 >>Anyone else recall inoculation day at elementary scrool during th 60s

I don't remember anything from before I got my vaccines.

HEY WAIT A MINUTE!

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2017 06:35 PM (/tuJf)

235
I assume they try to hack every election and every President.

I assume we attempt hacks on them, too.

The story here is that they were able to do so because of the incompetent idiots in the DNC and Hillary's private server, no

++++

noticed how they say they know what Putin was thinking and when? what does that imply? that we have access to his communications, that's what.

think Putin doesn't notice that?

Posted by: Mr Thespian at January 10, 2017 06:35 PM (U0lQa)

236 Big Pharma's gotta get its paycheck somehow.

Somebody moronsplained there aint much money in vaccines last go round. or I might be mis-remembering re: flu shots.

Posted by: DaveA at January 10, 2017 06:35 PM (8J/Te)

237 Back in the early 80s when I started school there were retarded kids, oddballs, goofs, weirdos, loners, etc. Now we only have autistic kids.

Posted by: NCKate at January 10, 2017 06:35 PM (J1ZXn)

238 It isn't blind acceptance at all. It actually is science and it has
been proven over and over and over. At some point constant questioning
in the face of overwhelming factual evidence turns into conspiracy
theory.

Posted by: JackStraw


_________


There are real, verified cases that vaccines have caused brain damage in certain individuals.

Scientists don't dispute that it does happen.

It's obviously rare, but why is it so bad to say maybe we don't know everything about it?

I don't think even the really strident anti vaxxers believe it causes problems with 100% of people, but that maybe some individuals it does cause issues.

Posted by: Maritime at January 10, 2017 06:36 PM (rLp05)

239 " 51 The thing that I will always remember about vaccines
was my Mother literally weeping for joy when the polio vaccine became available. Until you've lived through hearing your Mother crying at the news that so and so's child just got put into an iron lung, you just don't get the impact of a safe vaccine. "

It's a point of pride with my mom that she made sure my sisters and I were the first kids vaccinated by our pediatrician.

Posted by: Tuna at January 10, 2017 06:36 PM (JSovD)

240 Pep just your (and Jay's) concern about climastrology besmirching real science and undermining its credibility was something a friend of mine - whose brother was chairman of a hard science dept. in a major university - tried to raise as an issue.


Main response I recall was to dismiss the idea that climastrologists could really be practicing as transparently flawed and shoddy "science" as in fact they are - "nobody would ever try that in physics and get away with it". Probably true. But that just underlines the problem.


Anyway.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 10, 2017 06:37 PM (QDnY+)

241 Could it be that giving the Kennedy dunce a minor role is the idea of having him "inside the tent pissing out rather than outside the tent pissing in"????

See also Elaine Chao, wife of Senator Yertle the Turtle.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 10, 2017 05:58 PM (ujg0T)

I am sure there is an element of that, alright.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 10, 2017 06:37 PM (bG+ug)

242 Back in the early 80s when I started school there were retarded kids, oddballs, goofs, weirdos, loners, etc. Now we only have autistic kids.
Posted by: NCKate
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Hmm. Was there a kid named Roy Cooper at your school?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 10, 2017 06:37 PM (ZO497)

243 oh my, did I ever get vaccinated for polio .... besides the one-off shot from my pediatrician, I did the line in the school gym for the compressed-air injection gun, the sugar cube, and the little paper shotglass a couple more times .... at the peak I could probably have killed a polio virus from several feet away.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 10, 2017 06:37 PM (nuyGw)

244 @214, if my daughter (which, btw, I don't have, just for disclosure) doesn't ask or has a husband who lies, then Gardasil is a very scant protection against a much more serious problem. There are dozens of strains of HPV (Gardasil protects against 4) and then all the syphilis, etc.

If she has a fiance who has a problem, then she could choose to get vaccinated or use protection or both. But that should be her choice, not a government mandate.

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:37 PM (QAOZh)

245 I was 23 when I got the chicken pox, I was in the Army and got sent home for 3 weeks. I was one sick puppy.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at January 10, 2017 06:37 PM (6Ll1u)

246 Watching The Five, they just showed a segment of The New York Rodeo.
.............

Was head clown Schumer there? I didn't think so. THOSE clowns actually have to do something.

Posted by: Jefe El Donaldo at January 10, 2017 06:38 PM (HgMAr)

247 236 Big Pharma's gotta get its paycheck somehow.
Somebody moronsplained there aint much money in vaccines last go round. or I might be mis-remembering re: flu shots.
Posted by: DaveA at January 10, 2017 06:35 PM (8J/Te)



This is true. Vaccines are a loss leader; they provide minimal revenue, and huge potential liability.

For this reason, vaccine manufacturers were getting out of the business until the government encouraged them to stay and offered them protection from liability to do so. They essentially make vaccines as a public service, and make little to no money from them.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:38 PM (SRKgf)

248 216 I think that's about the time they started giving us flouride treatments in school too.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:30 PM (dFi94)

hey let's not get crazy now...shit I gotta earn a living after all


That was a HUGE controversy as well--Fluoride!

Posted by: runningrn at January 10, 2017 06:39 PM (bpx3v)

249 237. That, too. For whatever reason, we have a need to medicalize everything.

They say my son has autism. Fine, so be it. He's just a bright, weird kid, to me. When I was his age, the school gave me an IQ test and tried to screen me for schizophrenia. At the time, medical theory held high IQ looked like schizophrenia in children.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at January 10, 2017 06:39 PM (0Rr2q)

250
Of course, pig ignorant laymen weighing in on issues they know nothing about is nothing new. During the A-bomb test era retards attributed all sorts of things to the tests.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:33 PM (SRKgf)

Yeah....

totally safe....

Damn..... I got a belly ache...

Posted by: John Wayne at January 10, 2017 06:39 PM (qf6WZ)

251 Back in the early 80s when I started school there were retarded kids, oddballs, goofs, weirdos, loners, etc. Now we only have autistic kids.
Posted by: NCKate


This.

And we didn't have Asperger's kids either. We had STEM grad students instead.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:39 PM (SRKgf)

252 l. What if, for example, your daughter waits until marriage to have sex, but marries someone who has the virus?

Can't dudes be sluts, too?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 10, 2017 06:40 PM (39g3+)

253 That was a HUGE controversy as well--Fluoride!
Posted by: runningrn at January 10, 2017 06:39 PM (bpx3v)

Did you see the study that said Tootsie Rolls prevent Tooth Decay? I can send it to ya

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 10, 2017 06:40 PM (SjImc)

254 My first job was as a speech and language pathologist in a residential center for severely autistic children. There was no question in anyone's mind whether they were truly autistic or not. Now, there is the "autism spectrum", which sort of muddies the waters. It would be interesting to see if the cases of severe autism alone has increased in the last 40 years. I think that would give you a better baseline.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:40 PM (dFi94)

255 That was a HUGE controversy as well--Fluoride!

I do deny women my essence.

Posted by: eleven at January 10, 2017 06:41 PM (qUNWi)

256 NOT SO FAST. Trump Team Denies RFK Jr Will Chair Vaccine Commission
.............

...citing past drug use, 2nd wife hanging herself, and inability to understand what the fuck he's trying to say.

Posted by: wth at January 10, 2017 06:41 PM (HgMAr)

257 Growing up they said i was a psychopath and wanted to have a plan to kill everyone in the room.

Worked out ok for me?

Posted by: Gen Mattis at January 10, 2017 06:41 PM (SjImc)

258 Can't dudes be sluts, too?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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That's just how I roll, dude.

Posted by: Charlie Sheene at January 10, 2017 06:41 PM (ZO497)

259 Yeah....

totally safe....

Damn..... I got a belly ache...

Posted by: John Wayne at January 10, 2017 06:39 PM (qf6WZ)



Nobody said A-bombs were safe. I'm not talking about visiting the test site, but nice straw man. Visiting Chernobyl isn't so healthy either. I'm talking about, e.g., changes to the weather and that kind of crap that used to be attributed to A-bomb testing elsewhere.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:42 PM (SRKgf)

260 253 That was a HUGE controversy as well--Fluoride!
Posted by: runningrn at January 10, 2017 06:39 PM (bpx3v)

Did you see the study that said Tootsie Rolls prevent Tooth Decay? I can send it to ya

Haha, no! I could have used that study when I was in elementary school! I loved tootsie rolls back then (before I had any fillings to pull out!)

Posted by: runningrn at January 10, 2017 06:42 PM (bpx3v)

261 "Great example of observational bias right there."

Observation is the first step in doing Science, no?

(A) One of my observations is that Smart People in the US are marrying other Smart People more than they used to. You can test to validate this.

(B) Another is that there appear to be more Autistics. This may or may not be true, but can also be validated. Grant money will only be paid for studies that say True.

Is A linked to B?

The Jenny McCarthy's of the World would rather blame their Autistics on nefarious third parties, not the tragedy of Fate.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 10, 2017 06:42 PM (SIY7D)

262 251. Heh, ain't that the truth. My son's doing trig at age 11.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at January 10, 2017 06:42 PM (0Rr2q)

263 SO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 10, 2017 06:42 PM (SjImc)

264 Wrong. Carrots are never edible. Never intended for human consumption.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at January 10, 2017 06:25 PM (0Rr2q)


Except in carrot-cake form, of course. (And then mostly for the cream cheese frosting, naturally.)

Posted by: filbert at January 10, 2017 06:42 PM (s5o+q)

265 I had mumps. I had measles. I lost a significant portion of my eyesight as a result. I would have loved to have had Big Pharma.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:01 PM (dFi94)


I'm very sorry to hear that, Grammie. When I was young, mumps, measles, and chicken pox were a rite of passage for every child.

I never got the mumps despite my parents' best efforts. As soon as the mumps vaccine came out, I made an appointment to get it. It turns out that I never fathered children anyway, though I have a wonderful stepdaughter and grandson.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT at January 10, 2017 06:43 PM (nvMvs)

266 I had chicken pox.

I got over it.


Get the Shingles vacc, that shit burns like a match.

Posted by: DaveA at January 10, 2017 06:43 PM (8J/Te)

267 https://tinyurl.com/hn9pzvc


Shadow Brokers latest leak could have come from beyond NSA staging servers

Posted by: EVLINC! at January 10, 2017 06:43 PM (y3aQB)

268 That was a HUGE controversy as well--Fluoride!
Posted by: runningrn at January 10, 2017 06:39 PM (bpx3v)


Have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water?

Posted by: hogmartin at January 10, 2017 06:43 PM (8nWyX)

269 >>I don't think even the really strident anti vaxxers believe it causes problems with 100% of people, but that maybe some individuals it does cause issues.

But so does gluten. And peanuts. And dog fur.

Nobody has ever said that vaccines are 100% foolproof for everyone. Nothing is. Breathing isn't. Kids die from bee stings every single day.

But the overwhelming amount of evidence is that vaccines provide preventive care from deadly diseases for the vast majority, like in the 99th percentile, of people. At what level is it ok to say that vaccines don't just work but their value far outweighs the downside no matter how tragic it might be for a very small but real minority?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2017 06:43 PM (/tuJf)

270 Haha, no! I could have used that study when I was in elementary school! I loved tootsie rolls back then (before I had any fillings to pull out!)

Ever bit down on a Ju Ju Bee?

Trying to open your mouth was like pulling molars.

Posted by: eleven at January 10, 2017 06:43 PM (qUNWi)

271 Autism is not linked to vaccines,Autism is not linked to vaccines,Autism is not linked to vaccines,Autism is not linked to vaccines,Autism is not linked to vaccines. Any questions? I have a sister in law who is crazy about this issue. I don't even try to convince her. That and shes cray cray about evolution the earth being 4 billion or more years old. Live and let live I suppose.

Posted by: USNtakim at January 10, 2017 06:43 PM (hMqvx)

272 240 Pep just your (and Jay's) concern about climastrology besmirching real science and undermining its credibility was something a friend of mine - whose brother was chairman of a hard science dept. in a major university - tried to raise as an issue.
Main response I recall was to dismiss the idea that climastrologists could really be practicing as transparently flawed and shoddy "science" as in fact they are - "nobody would ever try that in physics and get away with it". Probably true. But that just underlines the problem.
Anyway.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 10, 2017 06:37 PM (QDnY+)



In academia I used to review several manuscripts per week. If I'd ever gotten one that refused to disclose its raw data, data reduction algorithms, etc. I'd have rejected it for publication out of hand.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:44 PM (SRKgf)

273 264. Dilution is the solution.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at January 10, 2017 06:44 PM (0Rr2q)

274 Ever bit down on a Ju Ju Bee?

Trying to open your mouth was like pulling molars.
Posted by: eleven at January 10, 2017 06:43 PM (qUNWi)


yup remember that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 10, 2017 06:44 PM (SjImc)

275 Ever bit down on a Ju Ju Bee?



Trying to open your mouth was like pulling molars.

Posted by: eleven


I laugh at your Ju Ju Bees.

Posted by: Jolly Rancher at January 10, 2017 06:44 PM (LAe3v)

276 But the overwhelming amount of evidence is that vaccines provide preventive care from deadly diseases for the vast majority, like in the 99th percentile, of people. At what level is it ok to say that vaccines don't just work but their value far outweighs the downside no matter how tragic it might be for a very small but real minority?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2017 06:43 PM (/tuJf)



The voice of reason weighs in again.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:45 PM (SRKgf)

277 I haven't thought about elementary school shot day in years. Decades. I remember getting a bunch of shots, too. Like maybe half a dozen. And lots of the little kids crying. They were probably experimenting on us. Speech and hearing screening day was much better than shot day.

Posted by: Weasel at January 10, 2017 06:45 PM (Sfs6o)

278 @252, yes, they can. They mandate the Gardasil vaccine for boys too.

Despite never being tested on boys. Or the fact that they mandate it for 10-year-olds, but all its testing was done on adult females and only looked at short-term effects.

All I am attempting to do is draw a distinction between diseases which you can catch through casual exposure and diseases you can only catch through direct or intimate contact. Mandating the former on the basis of public health makes sense (although I agree the schedules are up for debate). But mandating the latter is reckless and dangerous and an affront to personal freedom.

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:45 PM (QAOZh)

279 Did you see the study that said Tootsie Rolls prevent Tooth Decay? I can send it to ya
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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*red False Correlation Warning lamp starts flashing on instrument panel*

Pull up!.... Pull up!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 10, 2017 06:45 PM (ZO497)

280 In academia I used to review several manuscripts per
week. If I'd ever gotten one that refused to disclose its raw data,
data reduction algorithms, etc. I'd have rejected it for publication out
of hand.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara


I do science for the government. The notion that one could refuse to disclose one's data, etc., is so risible it never even occurred to me.

Posted by: pep at January 10, 2017 06:46 PM (LAe3v)

281 Oh and dental fillings. There are options without mercury, cost more though. Our resident dentist would know more.

Posted by: USNtakim at January 10, 2017 06:47 PM (hMqvx)

282

Then, when you're older, you can get shingles, which is basically the revenge of chickenpox lying dormant in your body and coming back to give you wracking agony. I had a mild case but it was pretty awful. Not sure if its related to when you had the pox or not.


If you've had chickenpox then it's almost guaranteed that you have the shingles virus ... and a 1 in 3 chance of a shingles "episode" ... of some yet-to-be-determined severity and duration.

I had chickenpox as a child, and, being the wuss that I am, I convinced my physician to write a prescription for me and then went to Walmart and got the shingles vaccination (it's prescription-only).

I got the shot early (pre-age-65) so I paid for it (about $190).

One source says 1 shot only is needed, forever. Another says boosters are needed every 5 years. IDK who's correct, but I might take another shot or 2, just because the pictures of the medium and severe "episodes" scare me.


DJT appointing RFK Jr. - Career-end Trolling

If RFK Jr. does not push hard enough for vaccinations, and there's an epidemic (we've recently seen outbreaks of measles, mumps, ... which we should never have seen), RFK Jr. 's political career is over. I think the rest of the Kennedys will then melt politically.

Posted by: Arbalest at January 10, 2017 06:47 PM (FlRtG)

283 rid me of these turbulent Kennedys?

A few weeks back when the horde was cheering Donalds ending of the Bush and Clinton dynasties I proposed he visit Hyannisport. We'll see what happens next wont we.

Posted by: DaveA at January 10, 2017 06:47 PM (8J/Te)

284 Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:29 PM (QAOZh)

Oh my.

You are so wrong it is scary.

Disease simply does not work the way you think it does.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2017 06:47 PM (wGgiq)

285 Speech and hearing screening day was much better than shot day.

Posted by: Weasel at January 10, 2017 06:45 PM (Sfs6o)
=================================

Depending on how old you are, and where you went to school- I might have been the lady that did your speech and hearing screening. Short? Blondish? Kinda Skandi-pastey?

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:48 PM (dFi94)

286 6 @88, yeah, actually, cancer caused by *HPV* only happens to sluts. It's an STD. How does unprotected, nonmonogamous sex not imply a certain low moral standard?
Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:07 PM (QAOZh)


Nice bit of being judgemental there. So if we're not all virgins when we marry and only ever have one sex partner, we are sluts and deserve HPV and we have low morals? Perfect much?

Posted by: atomicplaygirl (Gab: atomicplaygirl) at January 10, 2017 06:48 PM (Gim9y)

287
(A) One of my observations is that Smart People in the US are marrying other Smart People more than they used to. You can test to validate this.

(B) Another is that there appear to be more Autistics. This may or may not be true, but can also be validated. Grant money will only be paid for studies that say True.

Is A linked to B?

The Jenny McCarthy's of the World would rather blame their Autistics on nefarious third parties, not the tragedy of Fate.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 10, 2017 06:42 PM (SIY7D)


With Autism now a "spectrum", it is being used as an excuse by many Special Little Snowflakes to be different or make excuses.

How many people here have worked with someone with severe Autism?

Severe autism isn't just about being shy or being good with STEM studies... it is a very debilitating mental handicap.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 10, 2017 06:49 PM (OzJeO)

288 "Great example of observational bias right there."

Observation is the first step in doing Science, no?



Statistically VALID observations are. Random catch-as-catch-can anecdotal shit is worthless.

"I knew a guy ..."

How many people do you know whose kids are NOT autistic? Give me the percentage of autistic kids of smart parents as a fraction of the number of normal kids of smart parents, and that as a function of time, and we'd be getting somewhere. (Once we define objective criteria for what we mean by "smart parents," and "autistic kids," of course.)

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:49 PM (SRKgf)

289 That was a HUGE controversy as well--Fluoride!
...........

I won that shit if it wasn't for SCOTUS.

Posted by: Al Gore at January 10, 2017 06:49 PM (HgMAr)

290 nood

Posted by: eleven at January 10, 2017 06:50 PM (qUNWi)

291 How many people here have worked with someone with severe Autism?



Severe autism isn't just about being shy or being good with STEM studies... it is a very debilitating mental handicap.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 10, 2017 06:49 PM (OzJeO)
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It can be devastatingly profound.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:51 PM (dFi94)

292 HPV can lie dormant/asymptomatic for quite a number of years. It is also very prevalent with some estimates being as many as 1/5 or 1/6 adults having been exposed to it. Using condoms isn't necessarily protective with HPV. I do not believe there is a HPV test for asymptomatic men, so a man carrying the virus can legitimately believe he is free of the virus (and honestly tell a future partner he has no symptoms) but still be a carrier.

One can have only 1 lifetime partner (very non slut-like) and still get HPV. Being monogamous is only absolute protection if both parties were virgins. If someone had previous (monogamous) partner prior to their current relationship there is a not small chance they may unknowingly bring HPV with them to their new (monogamous) relationship.

That said I feel differently about Hepatitis B and HPV than MMR, polio, meningitis, and see no reason to give them as young as is currently recommended, and I think that spacing them out may be a good idea.

Posted by: maybe after 8 years of hibernating I can re-emerge at January 10, 2017 06:51 PM (YqYBc)

293 Yep. We lined up in the gym in one of those snake lines and then when it was our turn we swallowed the what-ever. I think that's about the time they started giving us flouride treatments in school too.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:30 PM (dFi94)

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They stabbed us with something when i was a kid and it let a mark on your shoulder the size of a dime for YEARS. what the hell was that?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at January 10, 2017 06:51 PM (PqqkK)

294 Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:48 PM (dFi94)
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Yep. That was me. Tallahassee, Florida. 1968. So you were Speech and Hearing Screening Lady, Grammie? Nice to see you again! Just so you know, speech and hearing is holding up fine!

Posted by: Weasel at January 10, 2017 06:52 PM (Sfs6o)

295 (A) One of my observations is that Smart People in the US are marrying other Smart People more than they used to. You can test to validate this.

(B) Another is that there appear to be more Autistics. This may or may not be true, but can also be validated. Grant money will only be paid for studies that say True.

Is A linked to B?

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run IQ tests on the parents of autistics. See if the distribution differs from the nation.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at January 10, 2017 06:52 PM (PqqkK)

296 They stabbed us with something when i was a kid and it let a mark on your shoulder the size of a dime for YEARS. what the hell was that?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at January 10, 2017 06:51 PM (PqqkK)



Smallpox vaccine.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:53 PM (SRKgf)

297 They stabbed us with something when i was a kid and
it let a mark on your shoulder the size of a dime for YEARS. what the
hell was that?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at January 10, 2017 06:51 PM (PqqkK)
==============================

I can't ever remember if it's the Polio or the TB. I've got one too. Deep and ugly.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:53 PM (dFi94)

298 They stabbed us with something when i was a kid and
it let a mark on your shoulder the size of a dime for YEARS. what the
hell was that?

Posted by: buzzsaw90


Smallpox.

Posted by: pep at January 10, 2017 06:53 PM (LAe3v)

299 As a member of the much-hated "baby boomer" generation, I well recall how we were all vaccinated back in the day against the usual set of diseases (smallpox, measles, whooping cough, polio, etc), and oddly we never had any problems with "autism", "Aspergers" or any of the other pop disorders the anti-vaccination people started spouting off about back in the 70s and 80s, even though to this day there is no hard data to support their position, at least according to those scientists who are actually entitled to an opinion on the matter. (Rather like "global warming"; ask the scientists who are actually entitled to have an opinion on it, and most say its bullshit, something the MFM never tells you.)

As for this Russian hacking thing that they insist on pushing, I am still waiting to see what actual evidence there is that Podesta/the DNC were in fact hacked, and so far there is none. Obama's CIA, FBI, whatever says so? The gangs that for right now I would not believe if they told me the Sun rises in the east? Um, no. Not until everyone in those organizations that was hired since the Cockholster in Chief came to power is fired and replaced.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - No-Longer-Deplorable Source of all SMODs at January 10, 2017 06:53 PM (tHocv)

300 Smallpox vaccine.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:53 PM (SRKgf)
=======================

Oh crap I forgot all about smallpox. Gee whiz it's a wonder anyone ever made it out alive.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:54 PM (dFi94)

301 They stabbed us with something when i was a kid and it let a mark on your shoulder the size of a dime for YEARS. what the hell was that?
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at January 10, 2017 06:51 PM (PqqkK)
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No shit! And tell me that pneumatic shot thing wasn't a relic from the civil war...

Posted by: Weasel at January 10, 2017 06:54 PM (Sfs6o)

302 @286, the reason they have a disclaimer for the pill is because once pregnancy wasn't an issue, people thought they could just shag whenever, and STDs started taking off.

If you are having 1) unprotected sex with 2) a partner who is not committed to you or 3) whom you don't know well enough to have had the partners / STD talk, then yes, you are at risk of HPV. But you are also at risk of syphilis, gonorrhea, crabs, chlamydia, herpes, and AIDS, and none of those have vaccines.

I am not telling you that you deserve a disease. But I am saying that if you engage in risky behaviors, you are, you know, at risk of very bad things. And if you engage in risky behaviors enough that a vaccine seems like a good thing for you, then I would just warn you -- don't put all of your trust in the vaccine. Because there are other, even more common, risks out there.

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:54 PM (QAOZh)

303 I actually oppose mandating the Gardisil vaccine for a variety of reasons, not least of which is it is an unnecessary risk if you're daughter isn't a slut.


Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:03 PM (QAOZh)

Not to get into this fight again, but your daughter can catch the HPV virus on her wedding night, unless her husband is a virgin, and good luck finding that.

I know a woman with stage 4 cervical cancer, and she only missed one annual pap smear because her doc had retired. If the vaccine had been available when she was a girl she'd be able to see her kids grow up.

I don't think it should be mandatory, but it can prevent tragedies.

Posted by: stace, deplorable at last at January 10, 2017 06:54 PM (ozZau)

304 Pep, 202:

"This is the real, but less obvious damage done by the AGW crowd. Now, those who are conspiratorially inclined see rogue scientists under every bed."

This is a great point. As the great Robert G. Brown at Duke University wrote, "Once you start lying for someone's supposed good, you're not on the slippery slope to hell, you're in it. Science runs on pure, undiluted honesty."

Deplorable Jay Guevara:

It is true that some silly fears arose from A-bomb testing. And I used to think Pauling's Peace Prize was awarded for being a comsymp and disgusting Soviet stooge, which he was.

But the more I read about from that era, regarding the very real messes made and hazards swept under the rug, the more I find myself shaking my head and saying, You stupid bastards - this is why no one will believe you if we try to explain why a radiological emergency isn't the end of the world. We have a history here.

Posted by: JPS at January 10, 2017 06:54 PM (9ziuC)

305 Obama. In Final Speech, To Declare Faith In Power Of Change.
..........

I agree, I've got a Bell jar full of quarters that I can barely lift.

Posted by: wth at January 10, 2017 06:54 PM (HgMAr)

306 And if we're going to spell it Vax then you gotta throw all the H1Bs out so I can go back to programming them.

Posted by: DaveA at January 10, 2017 06:56 PM (8J/Te)

307 run IQ tests on the parents of autistics. See if the distribution differs from the nation.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at January 10, 2017 06:52 PM (PqqkK)



The problem there is that that selects for parents who are more likely to be worried about a child's apparent deficit in intellectual development (assuming the autism isn't too profound) than, say, mothers in the 'hood.

So there's a selection bias built in right there.

You'd have to study it the other way around. Seek out randomly selected individuals and then assess their IQs and measure the autism rate of their kids.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:56 PM (SRKgf)

308 @303, I also don't think it should be mandatory, and I have no issues with it being available to those who want it. In a voluntary, non-mandatory way.

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:57 PM (QAOZh)

309 It is true that some silly fears arose from A-bomb testing. And I used to think Pauling's Peace Prize was awarded for being a comsymp and disgusting Soviet stooge, which he was.

But the more I read about from that era, regarding the very real messes made and hazards swept under the rug, the more I find myself shaking my head and saying, You stupid bastards - this is why no one will believe you if we try to explain why a radiological emergency isn't the end of the world. We have a history here.

Posted by: JPS at January 10, 2017 06:54 PM (9ziuC)


Absolutely true. Both re Pauling and the sweeping of messes under the rug.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:57 PM (SRKgf)

310 @307, since I'm already hacking people off...

Since autism is a "spectrum" now, it means it's more or less a behavior disorder. I would bet that the vast majority of "autistic" children with smart parents have two working parents and very limited interaction with them. They have immature or destructive behaviors because they aren't taught anything better.

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:59 PM (QAOZh)

311 Oh crap I forgot all about smallpox. Gee whiz it's a wonder anyone ever made it out alive.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 06:54 PM (dFi94)



Now eradicated, except for a couple of biowarfare labs, thanks to the vaccine.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 10, 2017 06:59 PM (SRKgf)

312 Either the epitome of stupidity or the world's schadenbonerest troll:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4106972/

Posted by: JEM at January 10, 2017 07:00 PM (TppKb)

313 Gargisil is a risky vaccine to take.

But so is having sex.

Posted by: Pepe at January 10, 2017 07:00 PM (iztiu)

314 My doc gave me a anti-pneumonia shot last year and my goddamm arm just about fell off.

Posted by: Weasel at January 10, 2017 07:02 PM (Sfs6o)

315 Since autism is a "spectrum" now, it means it's more
or less a behavior disorder. I would bet that the vast majority of
"autistic" children with smart parents have two working parents and very limited interaction with them. They have immature or destructive behaviors because they aren't taught anything better.

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:59 PM (QAOZh)
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That's akin to saying that retarded children are probably retarded because their working parents don't have time to sit and teach him things at home. They're dumb because their parents didn't put in enough effort to make them smart.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2017 07:03 PM (dFi94)

316 This

'Well, there is an aspect of vaccine policy which is usefully re-examined: How old children should be before they're vaccinated.'

I have 3 kids 8 and under. We thought that they tried to do too much too soon. So, we asked to spread them out over a period of time rather than shooting up these babies with vaccines all at once. If you have a common sense pediatrician, he'll totally agree. But, we didnt once think that we 'shouldnt' or 'wouldnt' etc. Thats just dumb as far I'm concerned, especially with all of our newly imported diseases that our lovely immigrants are bringing into this Country, unvetted. My opinion is bigger stronger can handle more. Thats what we did...and they are all just fine. That being said... I'm dead and dont remember when it was quiet....but thats a whole other matter haha.

Posted by: johny boy at January 10, 2017 07:04 PM (UNXWZ)

317 Since autism is a "spectrum" now, it means it's more or less a behavior disorder. I would bet that the vast majority of "autistic" children with smart parents have two working parents and very limited interaction with them. They have immature or destructive behaviors because they aren't taught anything better.
Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 06:59 PM (QAOZh)


Legit autism is not remotely a lack of contact. It's common for some nerds to claim (self-diagnosed) Asperger's to explain their lack of social skills, but the real thing is the real thing, and it isn't because of upbringing.

Posted by: hogmartin at January 10, 2017 07:08 PM (8nWyX)

318 I've put forward a thesis that more Smart People marrying other Smart People is a cause of increasing Autism.

There's strong evidence that autism is genetic.

We've put more women into college than ever before, including the most selective colleges. People often marry people they meet in college.

It's only a thesis. You can test this. That's how you do Science.

AGW violates every tenet of Science there is.



Posted by: Ignoramus at January 10, 2017 07:09 PM (SIY7D)

319 Putting RFK Jr in charge of a committee to investigate Vaccine Safety is sheer Trumpian brilliance. It will become a very public forum for smug Liberals who have gotten rich off Democrat cronyism to arrogantly display their ignorance and beclown themselves.

Posted by: Coolpapa at January 10, 2017 07:40 PM (/gQZV)

320
Has there ever been a concrete correlation between vaccines and autism? That worried me for my grandson, almost four and perfectly perfect.

And what was that aweful drug back in the 60s that caused terrible birth defects? Thalidomide?

Posted by: Spun and Murky at January 10, 2017 07:48 PM (4DCSq)

321
I am Willow!

Posted by: Spun and Murky at January 10, 2017 08:29 PM (4DCSq)

322 Apparently there is this as a response from the Trump people ...

https://t.co/FTpzGUn9d6

Posted by: Ryan Murphy at January 10, 2017 09:46 PM (DFtoc)

323 *facepalms* Nobody's perfect I guess but come on...

Posted by: Deathknyte at January 10, 2017 09:51 PM (mrrST)

324 RFK, Jr. is currently being shilled in Middle Tennessee as being associated with local injury arrorney firm Morgan and Morgan. The tv ad is almost nauseating.

https://youtu.be/SWQOoLS2iTw

Posted by: Mad Joel at January 10, 2017 10:50 PM (0Cwry)

325 @317, yeah, what I'm saying is that the majority of the autism spectrum cases are not the real thing. They're people self diagnosing as Aspie or autistic as an excuse for being a rude, insensitive jerk or they are parents pushing for an Aspie / autistic diagnosis as an explanation for why their kid is whatever (disengaged, angry, rude, antisocial). In 2000, they would have called their kids ADD and tried to get them on Ritalin, and there were estimates at the time that 95% of the kids "diagnosed" as ADD/ADHD were just normal kids with behavioral problems.

@315, grammie, no, I am not talking about kids who actually have autism. I am talking about the kids whose parents have decided they have autism because reasons. If my kid has learning disabilities and can't read, that's sad and you do the best you can to help them where they are. If my kid can't read because I never taught him, that's on me, and labeling them as learning disabled doesn't get me off the hook.

What I'm saying is that the explosion in autism -- and its new classification as a spectrum disorder -- is not because more kids have autism. It's because parents are lacking the requisite skills (or interest) to be good parents, and they are blaming the resulting behavior problems on other things. There are definitely children who have autism, who should be nurtured and counseled where they are. But a lot of parents are labeling every brat as autistic so they don't have to deal with it. Or feel guilty.

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2017 10:57 PM (QAOZh)

326 "We don't trust big government, unless it pays for medical research and subsidizes Big Pharma research."

Trump aside...and Kennedy kids, aside...the 'anti-vaxxers' have a point. Do. The. Research.

...or just believe in climate change and skittles shitting unicorns, while you're at it.

hint: Start asking your doc about the downsides to vaccines. "I wanna see the warning labels, first, Doc." Pay attention to how he/she responds.

Posted by: The Hot Gates at January 10, 2017 11:12 PM (k3uSs)

327 I detect two possibilities.
Trump sets these clowns up and knocks them over.
Or
These clowns set themselves up and Trump knocks them over.
What say?

Posted by: Ok at January 11, 2017 07:13 AM (K2SnJ)

328 So we know the government got it wrong, massively wrong about fat and carbs, and we know they got it wrong about climate change, but you're sure they got the vaccine thing right, and all that is just a conspiracy theory. I don't know that there is anything wrong with Mercury as a preservative. It sounds horrible, but these things often do, but really aren't. I, simply, have no trust in the establishment, anymore.

Posted by: DFCtomm at January 11, 2017 10:45 AM (GCH6F)

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