Geraghty: Faithless Electors Aren't "Brave;" They're Attention-Seeking Narcissists Who Deserve Mockery and Contempt

He talks about Chris Suprun, the idiot who recently announced he would break his solemn oath to vote according to the law for the candidate the state's voters chose, and instead substitute his own "conscience" and vote for a better Republican -- John Kasich, actually.

Geraghty points out that Suprun didn't have this self-created dilemma thrust upon him -- he actively ran for the position of elector, after knowing it was 99% certain Trump would win the state.

Thus, while he wants to be hailed as a hero, he should properly be villified as someone who lied his way into office knowing full well he intended to break his solemn promise to the voters.

Suprun didn’t just sign on for this; he actively campaigned for it. He urged other Republicans to trust him.

And he signed an oath vowing to vote as the state -- not he himself -- decided.

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In such circumstances, faithless electors are not brave or honorable.... [N]ow they want to break their word, take a public stand, and be hailed as heroes by the considerable throngs of Trump critics. Don’t give them this. Mock their lack of foresight or stubborn refusal to accept the consequences of their actions....
They're preening narcissistic idiots who want to be rewarded for refusing to keep a promise, and they should be treated as such.

Hear, hear.

As I keep saying, there's a lot of picking and choosing among the #NeverTrump camp about which principles Sacred Honor requires them to strictly keep.

Honesty in word and deed seems to be very expendable principle.

The most important "principle"? Preening. Constantly. Unceasingly. Hysterically.

Posted by: Ace at 05:41 PM

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Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 08, 2016 05:39 PM (WGxp4)

2 ...and I read the whole thing. Not sure how I feel about the electors going rogue. It's very unlikely to change anything, other than to out these people are dickholes who literally had one job and couldn't even do that one job (vote for the person who won the state.)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 08, 2016 05:40 PM (WGxp4)

3 "Faithless Elector"

The clue was in the first word.

Posted by: Splunge at December 08, 2016 05:40 PM (iMxBJ)

4 Like I said earlier, this guy will be lucky if he only gets punched in the face at parties.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at December 08, 2016 05:41 PM (QQ+il)

5 I assume there are alternate electors in case of .. accident.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at December 08, 2016 05:42 PM (QQ+il)

6 Now it is all ego.

Which for some of the NTs, it might have been from the beginning.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 08, 2016 05:43 PM (92kX2)

7 All this grandstanding and attention whoring for Kasich?
This is stupid

Posted by: L, Elle at December 08, 2016 05:43 PM (6IPEM)

8 *Waits for comment 100 so he can say what he really thinks of John Glenn*

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 08, 2016 05:43 PM (+wjl1)

9 BUT HILLARY WON THE POPULAR VOTE!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH.....

Posted by: SCREAMING DERANGED LEFTY MANIAC at December 08, 2016 05:43 PM (qJhUV)

10 I assume there are alternate electors in case of .. accident.

^^^^^^^^^
This!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2016 05:45 PM (784ZQ)

11 Next they'll start crying about all the death threats they're getting and will resort to fake hate crimes to keep themselves in the spotlight

Posted by: L, Elle at December 08, 2016 05:45 PM (6IPEM)

12 Sounds like someone needs to be punched in the junk.

Posted by: Darth Randall at December 08, 2016 05:45 PM (6n332)

13 Inauguration Day can't come soon enough. This garbage is ridiculous.

Posted by: bluebell at December 08, 2016 05:45 PM (sBOL1)

14 Stunning and brave!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 05:45 PM (0mRoj)

15 I believe I can preen
I believe I can cause a scene
I think about it every night and day
Spread my wings and fly away
I believe I can soar
As I'm voting for that Ohio bore

Posted by: Splunge at December 08, 2016 05:45 PM (iMxBJ)

16 7 All this grandstanding and attention whoring for Kasich?
This is stupid
Posted by: L, Elle at December 08, 2016 05:43 PM (6IPEM)

I am baffled that there is anyone in America who could look at Kasich and see their prayers being answered- aside from him or his Dad.

There are times when I wonder if I have been in a psychedelic induced coma for the last 8 years- and I never used psychedelics!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 08, 2016 05:45 PM (92kX2)

17 Meh, leave the electors alone. Let them do what their conscience and the weight of their immense duty decrees to them. However it turns out, this is what the founding fathers set up.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 08, 2016 05:45 PM (39g3+)

18 They elect like fags and their shit's all retarded.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 05:46 PM (0mRoj)

19 In a winner-takes all system, why in the world do we HAVE electors? Not the Electoral College...I get completely why we need the EC. I'm talking about having actual people do something which could easily be accomplished by math. If the state votes for x, all of that state's EC votes go to x. Simple. No need for meatbaggy skintubes to get together a month later and "vote".

Posted by: Scott M at December 08, 2016 05:46 PM (QUC3G)

20 Is this the turd who cited Saturday Night Live and Star Wars: Rogue One as his reasons for betraying the voters? If so: turd.

Posted by: zombie at December 08, 2016 05:46 PM (jBuUi)

21 I have a pair of brass knuckles I'd like to introduce this assclown to.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 05:46 PM (0mRoj)

22 >>>Is this the turd who cited Saturday Night Live and Star Wars: Rogue One as his reasons for betraying the voters? If so: turd.

yup.

Posted by: ace at December 08, 2016 05:47 PM (8rNrN)

23 sometimes you gotta just grab a bitch by the mish, know what i'm sayin'?

Posted by: ace at December 08, 2016 05:47 PM (8rNrN)

24 20 Is this the turd who cited Saturday Night Live and Star Wars: Rogue One as his reasons for betraying the voters? If so: turd.
Posted by: zombie at December 08, 2016 05:46 PM (jBuUi)

Wait. Whut?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 05:47 PM (0mRoj)

25 Everything in Texas is bigger. Even our douchebags.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 08, 2016 05:47 PM (PE2bZ)

26 Meh, leave the electors alone. Let them do what their conscience and the weight of their immense duty decrees to them. However it turns out, this is what the founding fathers set up.

But it's not. Not if that states EC are supposed to go to the winner of that state.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2016 05:48 PM (784ZQ)

27 He should take a selfie of himself taking a dump and post it on Twitter. I always use that to reinforce my argument.

Posted by: Lena Dunham at December 08, 2016 05:48 PM (qJhUV)

28 Insomniac:

Sorry to hear that you are down.

Perhaps a visit to The Plumb Book would be in order for you:

https://m.gpo.gov/plumbook/

Published by the Gov't and lists all the jobs that are vacated and must therefore be filled when a new presidential administration comes to town.

There are a lot of people on this blog who are thinking about you and the Kids and praying for you daily.

Stay frosty, Brother. It will get better.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 08, 2016 05:48 PM (CS7jF)

29 I guess someone wants to never be an elector again.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at December 08, 2016 05:48 PM (EZDs2)

30 I feel my horns growing.

Serious question:

So, if electors aren't supposed to vote their own ideas, why have them? Why have people at all? If everyone is supposed to vote the way the state popular vote went, then why not just give out 'points' instead?

I can only assume that electors being 'faithless' is intentional and maybe even desirable.

Not to me, I'm still rocking a Trump Grin and occasional woody, but if we don't want faithless electors...why have electors at all?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 05:49 PM (MYX5P)

31 Mark Steyn had a great point yesterday: he said that the Left is playing a dangerous game with the attempt to make the Electors vote for someone else. If they succeed they are telling the people that there is no peaceful way to change the direction the country is going in. They are saying elections don't matter.

To which I would add, everyone on the right knows what the next step is to save democracy when both soap box and ballot box fail.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at December 08, 2016 05:49 PM (Om16U)

32 I sort of understood the worries of the nevertrump crowd.

What I cannot understand is why they continue?

Looking at his Cabinet, it is a conservative's wet dream on steroids.

Would !Jeb! Or Marco pick Sessions?

I know that Katshit never, ever would.

I doubt Ted could pick the people Trump has picked. No way would the go along, get along crowd allow Cruz to do so.

Maybe that is the problem for many? Trump is not a go along get along President!

Many sweet, sweet gigs and sinecures are threatened. GOOD!

Posted by: rd at December 08, 2016 05:49 PM (Rtl0g)

33 Is it too simple to call this guy a lying, two faced attention whore?
In the interest of concision?

There's only so many ways to say asshole, after all.

Posted by: tubal at December 08, 2016 05:50 PM (d6TTt)

34 I have some thoughts about how to treat this guy.

Posted by: Zombie Albert Anastasia at December 08, 2016 05:50 PM (rznWS)

35 LOL. Didn't see Scott's post. Jah, what he said.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 05:50 PM (MYX5P)

36
There are a lot of people on this blog who are thinking about you and the Kids and praying for you daily.

Stay frosty, Brother. It will get better.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 08, 2016 05:48 PM (CS7jF)

I know there are, and I am extremely grateful. I've got so many things pulling me down right now.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 05:50 PM (0mRoj)

37 So, like is being an elector a full time job? I imagine it's not and it's an attention-whore title to begin with.

Posted by: IP at December 08, 2016 05:50 PM (4byLl)

38 17 Meh, leave the electors alone. Let them do what their conscience and the weight of their immense duty decrees to them.

I sure hope this is sarcasm.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 08, 2016 05:51 PM (ul9CR)

39 The link goes to NRO, and I won't do it.
You have your NFL boycott, I have mine.

Not saying they may occasionally have something worth reading, just that I'm a grudge holder, and I'm holding on.

Maybe someday.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 08, 2016 05:51 PM (kKHcp)

40 and what Chris Taylor said. Man, I gotta read comments before I post...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 05:51 PM (MYX5P)

41 There's something a lot fishier about this turd. He has hired a PR firm for some reason and that PR firm was founded and is run by one Van Jones.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2016 05:51 PM (/tuJf)

42
What Makes the Red States Red?
(From Walt Disney's "Peter Pan")

What Makes the Red States Red?
Why did they just vote Trump?

Once the redneck didn't know
All the things that he know now
But the redneck, he sure learn a lot
And it's from dick-punching -- ka-POW!

What Makes the Red States Red?
Why did they just vote Trump?

Let's go back a couple years
To the 'lection of the jug-eared prince
He did all he could to ruin 'murica
But now his meat's been turned to mince!

What Makes the Red States Red?
Why did they just vote Trump?

Posted by: zombie at December 08, 2016 05:52 PM (jBuUi)

43 Many sweet, sweet gigs and sinecures are threatened. GOOD!
Posted by: rd at December 08, 2016 05:49 PM (Rtl0g)

Agreed. When was the last time we even were looking at cabinet level picks with this much enthusiasm and praise?

Or even paying attention to cabinet level appointments?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 08, 2016 05:52 PM (92kX2)

44 20 Is this the turd who cited Saturday Night Live and Star Wars: Rogue One as his reasons for betraying the voters? If so: turd.
Posted by: zombie at December 08, 2016 05:46 PM (jBuUi)

His Facebook profile showed that he was a member of a Van Jones group. Can't recall the name off the top of my head, but it is out there as well.

Social media needs to die.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 08, 2016 05:52 PM (8wEhr)

45 @Insomniac

Where are you based out of? I mean, where are you job seeking at?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 05:52 PM (MYX5P)

46 41 There's something a lot fishier about this turd. He has hired a PR firm for some reason and that PR firm was founded and is run by one Van Jones.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2016 05:51 PM (/tuJf)

Really. That makes him twice the sucker of cock.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 05:52 PM (0mRoj)

47 I'm pretty sure you can't cast your vote for a candidate who is constantly being buried in the sandbox by stray cats. It's in the constitution.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 08, 2016 05:53 PM (8nWyX)

48 Not a conspiracy theory, its a fact. Van freaking Jones.

http://tinyurl.com/zxc8rt9

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2016 05:53 PM (/tuJf)

49 I hearby pledge 10 blowjobs to this patriot. He can put it in my ass, my cooter, my ears, whereever. And i'd like to make that offer to every elector willing to help save us from this...this....guy!

Posted by: Lena Dunham at December 08, 2016 05:53 PM (EZDs2)

50 Where are you based out of? I mean, where are you job seeking at?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 05:52 PM (MYX5P)

America's Schlong. (Florida)

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 05:53 PM (0mRoj)

51 24 20 Is this the turd who cited Saturday Night Live and Star Wars: Rogue One as his reasons for betraying the voters? If so: turd.
Posted by: zombie at December 08, 2016 05:46 PM (jBuUi)

Wait. Whut?
Posted by: Insomniac

http://www.thewrap.com/ republican-elector-on-why-he-will-not-cast-electoral-vote-for-donald-trump/

Republican Elector Cites 'SNL,' 'Rogue One' as Reasons He Won't Vote for Trump

Posted by: zombie at December 08, 2016 05:54 PM (jBuUi)

52 There's something a lot fishier about this turd. He has hired a PR firm for some reason and that PR firm was founded and is run by one Van Jones.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2016 05:51 PM (/tuJf)

Really? Link? or do I have to go through NRO.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 08, 2016 05:54 PM (kKHcp)

53 Can the state do anything about this guy? It's not about voting his conscience - its about voting the will of the people in your state.

Posted by: IC at December 08, 2016 05:54 PM (a0IVu)

54 >>Really? Link? or do I have to go through NRO.

http://tinyurl.com/zxc8rt9

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2016 05:55 PM (/tuJf)

55 51 24 20 Is this the turd who cited Saturday Night Live and Star Wars: Rogue One as his reasons for betraying the voters? If so: turd.
Posted by: zombie at December 08, 2016 05:46 PM (jBuUi)

Wait. Whut?
Posted by: Insomniac

http://www.thewrap.com/ republican-elector-on-why-he-will-not-cast-electoral-vote-for-donald-trump/

Republican Elector Cites 'SNL,' 'Rogue One' as Reasons He Won't Vote for Trump
Posted by: zombie at December 08, 2016 05:54 PM (jBuUi)

Good Lord. My apologies to the truly developmentally disabled, but what a total retard.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 05:55 PM (0mRoj)

56 Sounds like someone needs to be punched in the junk.

I could use a break.

Posted by: Baby Dick at December 08, 2016 05:55 PM (NaN/b)

57 Psh, next you'll tell me that 99% of our elected officials are attention-seeking narcissists, and not the best-and-brightest this country has to offer. Would my college professors lie to me??

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 08, 2016 05:55 PM (kumBu)

58 Republican Elector Cites 'SNL,' 'Rogue One' as Reasons He Won't Vote for Trump

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He's not just a Faithless elector, he's a Witless one.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at December 08, 2016 05:56 PM (Om16U)

59 Would my college professors lie to me??
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 08, 2016 05:55 PM (kumBu)

24/7

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 05:56 PM (0mRoj)

60 @Insomniac

Ping Aerotek and Tek Systems.

I worked for Tek Systems for quite a few years. Pay wasn't always as good as it could have been, but they always got me work. Wife did some temp to hire work with Tek Systems too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 05:56 PM (MYX5P)

61 http://www.thewrap.com/ republican-elector-on-why-he-will-not-cast-electoral-vote-for-donald-trump/

Republican Elector Cites 'SNL,' 'Rogue One' as Reasons He Won't Vote for Trump
Posted by: zombie at December 08, 2016 05:54 PM (jBuUi)

Right. Guys, I think this guy is just an unserious, attention seeking asshole.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 08, 2016 05:56 PM (92kX2)

62 I heard about this idiot on the radio. He's angling for some foundation job.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 08, 2016 05:56 PM (MZcWR)

63
I worked for Tek Systems for quite a few years. Pay wasn't always as good as it could have been, but they always got me work. Wife did some temp to hire work with Tek Systems too.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 05:56 PM (MYX5P)

Will do. Thanks.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 05:56 PM (0mRoj)

64 "Can the state do anything about this guy? It's not about voting his conscience - its about voting the will of the people in your state.

Posted by: IC at December 08, 2016 05:54 PM (a0IVu) "

Put out some #FakeNews that he cast his electoral vote for Art Modell.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 08, 2016 05:57 PM (kumBu)

65 Posted by: bluebell at December 08, 2016 05:45 PM (sBOL1)

42 days, 18 hours to go.

Posted by: rd at December 08, 2016 05:57 PM (Rtl0g)

66 He had his time on CNN and loves the attention.

Figures that he loves Catshit.

Posted by: Cheri at December 08, 2016 05:57 PM (oiNtH)

67 one of the worst things about pc culture is the eliminating of mockery and contempt in enforcing social norms.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 08, 2016 05:57 PM (cPsPa)

68
Republican Elector Cites 'SNL,' 'Rogue One' as Reasons He Won't Vote for Trump
Posted by: zombie at December 08, 2016 05:54 PM (jBuUi)

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The Stupid is Strong with this one.

Posted by: Darth Trump at December 08, 2016 05:57 PM (EZDs2)

69 I do not think president-elects should be disqualified for policy disagreements.

Presidents-elect, you simpering uneducated dickhole.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 08, 2016 05:58 PM (8nWyX)

70 Not if that states EC are supposed to go to the winner of that state.

The purpose of electors are to be representatives, not puppets. They can choose to vote for someone else if their conscience or reason dictates they ought to. Its basically the last wall of defense against someone truly horrible getting into office, and it failed us with guys like LBJ and Obama, but there you have it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 08, 2016 05:58 PM (39g3+)

71 62 I heard about this idiot on the radio. He's angling for some foundation job.

Foundation? End zone of Giants Stadium?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2016 05:59 PM (784ZQ)

72 The funny thing is that he campaigned for elector on a platform of Harry Potter & Newhart reruns.

Posted by: josephistan at December 08, 2016 05:59 PM (7qAYi)

73 Some states (around 18?) have laws that electors have to follow under penalty. I take it he doesn't fall under that, guessing of course he knew that ahead of time.

Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2016 05:59 PM (5sOEp)

74 If Van Jones is involved, this guy isn't acting out of "conscience" he's being a willing tool of attempted sabotage by prog-fascist shitstains.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 05:59 PM (0mRoj)

75
This isn't the candidate you're looking for America

Posted by: Chris Suprun at December 08, 2016 05:59 PM (EZDs2)

76 Suprun spelled backwards is Nurpus.

Posted by: Muldoon, private citizen engaging in political satire at December 08, 2016 05:59 PM (wPiJc)

77 76 Suprun spelled backwards is Nurpus.
Posted by: Muldoon, private citizen engaging in political satire at December 08, 2016 05:59 PM (wPiJc)

Go nurp someone else.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 06:00 PM (0mRoj)

78 I'm with ace and Gerherty here. He ran for the position knowing the likely outcome. He's only doing it because it won't have any effect but media love.

Posted by: Tsrblke at December 08, 2016 06:00 PM (dzmBR)

79 >>He had his time on CNN and loves the attention.

You know who else is on CNN all the time? Van Jones.

Seriously, this guy isn't a faithless elector, he's working for the other side.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2016 06:00 PM (/tuJf)

80 You guys just like tentacle pron! Please follow me on Twitter so that I can continue believing I'm relevant.

Posted by: Rick Wilson at December 08, 2016 06:00 PM (FqgrG)

81 Eh. Guy sounds like an idiot. I feel ok mocking him. But if he was a grown up, I can't be too pissed off if an elector does what an elector does.

I know there was one elector here in WA that said she wasn't going to vote for Hilary. Which is nice.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 06:01 PM (MYX5P)

82 I do not think president-elects should be disqualified for policy disagreements.

I agree. Being an anti-American extremist radical who promises to destroy the economy and lies about his past? Maybe.

Being a corrupt lying lawbreaker with literally a body trail and an FBI investigation? Definitely.

But just being a guy you disagree with? No.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 08, 2016 06:01 PM (39g3+)

83 62 I heard about this idiot on the radio. He's angling for some foundation job.

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I do NOT think so

Posted by: Hari Seldon at December 08, 2016 06:01 PM (EZDs2)

84 Suprun's Warhol clock is at 14:52 and counting.

Posted by: Muldoon, private citizen engaging in political satire at December 08, 2016 06:01 PM (wPiJc)

85 2 ...and I read the whole thing. Not sure how I feel about the electors going rogue. It's very unlikely to change anything, other than to out these people are dickholes who literally had one job and couldn't even do that one job (vote for the person who won the state.)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes
-----'--------

It's even funnier when voters know and realize that they are outing themselves as complete idiots.
My dog knew which button to push after three or four treats.

Can this shit stain be jailed when/if he breaks his oath?

Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 08, 2016 06:01 PM (rGSog)

86 The purpose of electors are to be representatives, not puppets. They can choose to vote for someone else if their conscience or reason dictates they ought to. Its basically the last wall of defense against someone truly horrible getting into office, and it failed us with guys like LBJ and Obama, but there you have it.

So a state votes red and all the electors vote blue, thereby disenfranchising an entire state. But that's ok.

Got it.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2016 06:01 PM (784ZQ)

87 I know there are, and I am extremely grateful. I've got so many things pulling me down right now.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 05:50 PM (0mRoj)

I know that feeling. Being grateful for even the smallest things is something that helps me a lot. It's tough to do when you are feeling that way, but it does help.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 08, 2016 06:01 PM (CS7jF)

88 83 62 I heard about this idiot on the radio. He's angling for some foundation job.

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I do NOT think so
Posted by: Hari Seldon at December 08, 2016 06:01 PM (EZDs2)

Yeah, well, you don't know everything, pal.

Posted by: The Mule at December 08, 2016 06:01 PM (0mRoj)

89 [waves fingers]
This isn't the candidate you're looking for, America
[/waves fingers]

Posted by: Chris Suprun at December 08, 2016 06:02 PM (EZDs2)

90 Trump should grab this guy by the Nurpus and straighten him out.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 08, 2016 06:02 PM (cPsPa)

91 88 Yeah, well, you don't know everything, pal.
Posted by: The Mule at December 08, 2016 06:01 PM (0mRoj)

Nor do you, mutant.

Posted by: Preem Palver at December 08, 2016 06:02 PM (iMxBJ)

92 "24/7

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 05:56 PM (0mRoj) "

Funny enough, I was in a Poli Sci class once full of left wing students and a center-left prof. I was outspoken about being right wing and was once censured for calling one of my classmates a 'shallow partisan hack' for his defense of failed Clinton-era policies.

He said after one class he had to talk to me - I figured I was in trouble. Instead, he said (I'm paraphrasing a bit) "You know, I'm not thrilled about it, but you're the best student in this class."

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 08, 2016 06:03 PM (kumBu)

93 Jah, Van Jones is a bigger alarm bell than even Alex Jones.

And I kinda do like tentacle pron, sometimes. I mean, not demon beast invasion but some of it is ok. Consentacle is a thing, right?

Ummmm....loosing the thread...um...I hate cleaning my Colt Python. All the nickel finish is rubbing away.

Whew. There...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 06:03 PM (MYX5P)

94 The purpose of electors are to be representatives, not puppets. They can choose to vote for someone else if their conscience or reason dictates they ought to. Its basically the last wall of defense against someone truly horrible getting into office, and it failed us with guys like LBJ and Obama, but there you have it.

So a state votes red and all the electors vote blue, thereby disenfranchising an entire state. But that's ok.

Got it.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2016 06:01 PM (784ZQ)

well, that is the system. do not like it but I do like the electoral college so

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 08, 2016 06:03 PM (cPsPa)

95 So a state votes red and all the electors vote blue, thereby disenfranchising an entire state. But that's ok.

Or the other way around, yes. That's the system. That's how the founding fathers designed it. It should only be done for very good reason and with great trepidation and soul searching, but it has to be possible.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 08, 2016 06:03 PM (39g3+)

96 Maybe he likes Kasich for the realistic karate chop action feature.

Posted by: Muldoon, private citizen engaging in political satire at December 08, 2016 06:03 PM (wPiJc)

97 Just sayin, but every big city has some lot where pylons are being driven deep into the ground, to lay the FOUNDATION for the building. Sounds like a long term job to me.
Just sayin.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 08, 2016 06:03 PM (kKHcp)

98 Suprun spelled backwards is Nurpus.

Posted by: Muldoon

Love it! From now on it is Nurpus. Or Asshole. As you see fit.

Posted by: Cheri at December 08, 2016 06:03 PM (oiNtH)

99 96 Maybe he likes Kasich for the realistic karate chop action feature.
Posted by: Muldoon, private citizen engaging in political satire at December 08, 2016 06:03 PM (wPiJc)

Say, do the Atlanta Braves need a mascot?

Posted by: Splulnge at December 08, 2016 06:04 PM (iMxBJ)

100 "You guys just like tentacle pron!

Posted by: Rick Wilson at December 08, 2016 06:00 PM (FqgrG) "

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 08, 2016 06:04 PM (kumBu)

101 @rickb223

So why have electors at all? Seriously.

I'm not endorsing this idiot in TX, just...if electors can't vote for who they want to, even if it's against the state's vote...why have them?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 06:05 PM (MYX5P)

102 Karma is a bitch.

Whenever I've been an asshole (which is many times) life has always been ready to serve me up a steaming pile of karma.

This guy, not making the smart play based on my own experience.

Posted by: Max Power at December 08, 2016 06:05 PM (q177U)

103 "Maybe he likes Kasich for the realistic karate chop action feature.

Posted by: Muldoon, private citizen engaging in political satire at December 08, 2016 06:03 PM (wPiJc) "

Do mailmen have to karate chop that often? I guess it helps with the dogs.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 08, 2016 06:06 PM (kumBu)

104 Purple Nurpus?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 06:06 PM (MYX5P)

105
The purpose of electors are to be representatives, not puppets

So who is he representing by doing this?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 08, 2016 06:06 PM (lKyWE)

106 102 Karma is a bitch.
Whenever I've been an asshole (which is many times) life has always been ready to serve me up a steaming pile of karma.
This guy, not making the smart play based on my own experience.
Posted by: Max Power at December 08, 2016 06:05 PM (q177U)

Good point. Plenty of people out there, though, who think 15 minutes of fame is worth whatever price is asked.

Posted by: Splunge at December 08, 2016 06:07 PM (iMxBJ)

107 Shortest political career in history. One vote and you're done

Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers at December 08, 2016 06:07 PM (U0lQa)

108 well, that is the system. do not like it but I do like the electoral college so

That's not the electoral college then. The electoral college was set up so the small states had a voice. When the electors go against the will of the people and vote the coasts, why even have the College?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2016 06:07 PM (784ZQ)

109 Trump needs to make him Ambassador to ISIS.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 08, 2016 06:08 PM (DW+jj)

110 He said after one class he had to talk to me - I figured I was in trouble. Instead, he said (I'm paraphrasing a bit) "You know, I'm not thrilled about it, but you're the best student in this class."
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 08, 2016 06:03 PM (kumBu)

I bet it chapped his ass to say it too. Good on ya!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 06:08 PM (0mRoj)

111 LOOK AT MEEEEEE!

Posted by: Dr. Suprunicus at December 08, 2016 06:09 PM (yWofz)

112 That's not the electoral college then. The electoral college was set up so the small states had a voice. When the electors go against the will of the people and vote the coasts, why even have the College?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2016 06:07 PM (784ZQ)

well part of the reason it was set up was to prevent some nurpus from getting elected. say a wave of mass hysteria swept the nation and all the women voted for justin bieber, the rational electoral college could stop the wave and vote for Trump.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 08, 2016 06:09 PM (cPsPa)

113 106 102 Karma is a bitch.
Whenever I've been an asshole (which is many times) life has always been ready to serve me up a steaming pile of karma.
This guy, not making the smart play based on my own experience.
Posted by: Max Power at December 08, 2016 06:05 PM (q177U)

Good point. Plenty of people out there, though, who think 15 minutes of fame is worth whatever price is asked.
Posted by: Splunge at December 08, 2016 06:07 PM (iMxBJ)

I don't really believe in karma. I've seen plenty of good people take it in the shorts without respite, and plenty of shitty people getting all manners of reward.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 06:09 PM (0mRoj)

114 I'm not endorsing this idiot in TX, just...if electors can't vote for who they want to, even if it's against the state's vote...why have them?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

******

You are correct in saying that an elector can cast his vote as he sees fit. But the point of being a representative of the people who elected you is to represent their wishes in D.C. as you see fit. That doesn't seem to be what this dude is all about.

In the Federalist papers it is made pretty clear that the Founders intended that the public exercises certain restraints or correctives on their representatives, including the right to recall, replace, bring personal pressure to bear (since he has to live among them when he returns from D.C.) or...yes...publicly shame or mock them. I believe that is what's happening.

Posted by: Muldoon, private citizen engaging in political satire at December 08, 2016 06:10 PM (wPiJc)

115 About half the states have laws that bind electors either through fines or invalidation of a faithless elector.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2016 06:10 PM (/tuJf)

116 The original purpose of the electors was to be representatives of the state legislatures, who appointed them. A layer of indirection between them and the legislatures.

But, the states soon adopted to the election model, with the people voting for electors.

Note there's nothing that says this has to be done. It's just current law in all 50 states, which could be changed tomorrow.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 08, 2016 06:10 PM (DW+jj)

117 Is this the turd who cited Saturday Night Live and Star Wars: Rogue One as his reasons for betraying the voters?

Posted by: zombie at December 08, 2016 05:46 PM (jBuUi)

You made that up, and you bought Ace a grooming and a bottle of good Whiskey to go along with it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 08, 2016 06:10 PM (42Mgr)

118 Good way to start a war anyway.

So what if they do that and whoever they vote in decides they don't want it now? What about the concession? Does that have legal weight?

Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers at December 08, 2016 06:10 PM (U0lQa)

119 The purpose of electors are to be representatives, not puppets

So who is he representing by doing this?

Highest bidder.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2016 06:10 PM (784ZQ)

120 TANJ...not in this life, at least.

But there is TANG, so there's that.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 06:10 PM (MYX5P)

121 Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2016 06:07 PM (784ZQ)

We vote for electors, who are saying they'll follow the rules put upon them.
This guy lied. If he won saying "I'll oppose Trump." Then whatever, but he didnt.

Posted by: Tsrblke at December 08, 2016 06:10 PM (dzmBR)

122 I'm not endorsing this idiot in TX, just...if electors can't vote for who they want to, even if it's against the state's vote...why have them?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 06:05 PM (MYX5P)

===========

Because the Constitution requires them and says that it is up to the states to decide how they will function. Some states let electors decide how they vote, other states have laws requiring them to vote a certain way. Electors all know going into the election what their state requires.

Posted by: Lily(Formerly of Hot Air) now of AoSHQ at December 08, 2016 06:11 PM (vivhj)

123
So who is he representing by doing this?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic
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A wild guess, but 70% of Austin and 50% of Houston?

Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 08, 2016 06:11 PM (rGSog)

124 I think that maybe there are some Texas wranglers who for a mere six pack could teach Nurpus a few lessons on 'voting his conscience'.

Posted by: Cheri at December 08, 2016 06:11 PM (oiNtH)

125 Has the TX Rep party started discussing how they will kick him out of the party yet? Unless he lives in Austin, shunning should be an option as well.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2016 06:11 PM (aZq03)

126 >>Because the Constitution requires them and says that it is up to the states to decide how they will function. Some states let electors decide how they vote, other states have laws requiring them to vote a certain way. Electors all know going into the election what their state requires.

Winner.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2016 06:12 PM (/tuJf)

127 You mean the electors in 2012 could have voted in Romney because Obama was an anti American disaster?

Posted by: steevy at December 08, 2016 06:12 PM (r/0kC)

128 @Muldoon

From what I've seen...this guy needs mocking. But I can't say he has no right to do what he's doing.

I'd forgotten about the appointment from the legislature. Thanks, time to dust off some old text books once I finish my Midway reading.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 06:13 PM (MYX5P)

129 States are able to decide exactly how they want to run their elections, within very few simple guidelines from the constitution.

Unless they're from the south and lost a war, then they're ordered by federal judges on how to run their elections. Because, F the constitution, apparently.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 08, 2016 06:13 PM (39g3+)

130 Yeah well fuck it all then. Right? Just whoever gets the elector job just vote for whoever the fuck THEY feel like voting for. Cause after all, how a person FEELS, on a given day trumps any other consideration, like integrity and faithfulness and honor. Right?

Cause it's all about me me me right?

Posted by: tubal at December 08, 2016 06:13 PM (d6TTt)

131 That's not the electoral college then. The electoral college was set up so the small states had a voice. When the electors go against the will of the people and vote the coasts, why even have the College?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2016 06:07 PM (784ZQ)

Well, technically the people don't elect the president. The states do. And the electors represent the states.

So if a representative of a state wants to go against the will of the people... well, unless there's a statute saying they can't, I don't think there's really a legal issue with them doing it.

However, it's a largely ceremonious thing, and the position is largely ceremonious, so... this guys just being an asshole, basically.

But again, whatever. It's not going to change anything.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 08, 2016 06:13 PM (WGxp4)

132 Karma > dogma...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at December 08, 2016 06:13 PM (C9pBZ)

133 You mean the electors in 2012 could have voted in Romney because Obama was an anti American disaster?

In my opinion, they should have. They had a duty to save the country and failed in that duty.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 08, 2016 06:14 PM (39g3+)

134 129 States are able to decide exactly how they want to run their elections, within very few simple guidelines from the constitution.

Unless they're from the south and lost a war, then they're ordered by federal judges on how to run their elections. Because, F the constitution, apparently.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 08, 2016 06:13 PM (39g3+)

Well...they DID lose a war. They started the Constitute f-ing. Wars, like elections, have consequences.

Not ragging on the South, just sayin'...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 06:14 PM (MYX5P)

135 I am still trying to figure out how these people think:

1) Hillary is elected president, against the will of the people, in contravention of the constitution.
2) this pisses off roughly half the people in the country far worse than anything we have seen, up to this point.
3)????
4) Peace, Harmony, and puppies!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 08, 2016 06:14 PM (92kX2)

136 127 You mean the electors in 2012 could have voted in Romney because Obama was an anti American disaster?
Posted by: steevy at December 08, 2016 06:12 PM (r/0kC)

Well, yes. Or they could have voted for Mickey Mouse if they wanted to (unless barred by statute from doing so).

And if neither candidate got to 270, it would have been kicked to the house of representatives.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 08, 2016 06:14 PM (WGxp4)

137 >>>So, if electors aren't supposed to vote their own ideas, why have them? Why have people at all? If everyone is supposed to vote the way the state popular vote went, then why not just give out 'points' instead?

because if the president dies between his election and his inauguration you need a group of human beings to vote on who the president will actually be. "Points" can't do that.

Posted by: ace at December 08, 2016 06:15 PM (8rNrN)

138 I think I scene from The Crown (the Netflix series on Queen Elizabeth II) is relevant.

A member of the Conservative cabinet asks King George VI to step in, as on old friend of Winston Churchill, to ask Churchill to step.

The King responds by saying Churchill's friend, Albert Windsor "is no more. He has been replaced by George VI." And the King has constitutional limits.

That's an understanding of the limits of constitutional power too few people, like this elector, have today.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 08, 2016 06:15 PM (hJrjt)

139 "I bet it chapped his ass to say it too. Good on ya!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 06:08 PM (0mRoj) "

Heh, we had a short but interesting conversation after he said that. The thrust of his argument was that my ideas (that is, right wing ideas) weren't correct or superior, but I was winning debates in class because none of the left wing students were as sharp or knowledgeable as I was.

I told him I was happy with the compliment and was fine if he disagreed with my politics as long as he graded me fairly, which he did.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 08, 2016 06:15 PM (kumBu)

140 Further, if Hillary Clinton had won, the electors would have the duty and be honor bound to refuse to seat her as president.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 08, 2016 06:16 PM (39g3+)

141 Ace: John Kasich seems like the kind of guy who stands in front of a urinal with his hands on his hips.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 08, 2016 06:16 PM (VdICR)

142 Yeah well fuck it all then. Right? Just whoever gets the elector job just vote for whoever the fuck THEY feel like voting for. Cause after all, how a person FEELS, on a given day trumps any other consideration, like integrity and faithfulness and honor. Right?

+++

Well yes.

And here's where more fissures in a system created in the18th century show themselves.

Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers at December 08, 2016 06:16 PM (U0lQa)

143 I told him I was happy with the compliment and was fine if he disagreed with my politics as long as he graded me fairly, which he did.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 08, 2016 06:15 PM (kumBu)

That's certainly a good thing. Not every ideologue professor will do that.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 06:16 PM (0mRoj)

144 130 Yeah well fuck it all then. Right? Just whoever gets the elector job just vote for whoever the fuck THEY feel like voting for. Cause after all, how a person FEELS, on a given day trumps any other consideration, like integrity and faithfulness and honor. Right?

Cause it's all about me me me right?
Posted by: tubal at December 08, 2016 06:13 PM (d6TTt)

Well I can see a scenario where integrity and honor have to fight against faithfulness....not in this guy's case. He seems like a flake. But there has to be a reason there's people in this loop.

Muldoon reminded me why, thanks again, man.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 06:17 PM (MYX5P)

145 As to the idiot in question, yes, there are ways around him under Texas law.
Rumor has it he's a blowhard who's been shopping for more publicity...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at December 08, 2016 06:17 PM (C9pBZ)

146 Kasich seems like the kind of guy who stands in front of a urinal with his hands on his hips.

*******

Keeps the mailbag from swinging around to the front and getting all wet.

Posted by: Muldoon, private citizen engaging in political satire at December 08, 2016 06:17 PM (wPiJc)

147
Rock Me Mr. Nurpus
by Falco

He's the Texas elector who's supposed to vote for Trump
But he decided it was cooler to act like a chump
He cast his vote for Kasich and partied with Van Jones
And ev'rybody screamed:
Come on, Rock me Mr. Nurpus

Mr. Nurpus Mr. Nurpus
Mr. Nurpus Mr. Nurpus
Mr. Nurpus Mr. Nurpus
Oh oh oh Mr. Nurpus.

Posted by: zombie at December 08, 2016 06:17 PM (jBuUi)

148 And here's where more fissures in a system created in the18th century show themselves.

As the founders said, this system only works with a virtuous people.

And we ain't that, no more.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 08, 2016 06:17 PM (39g3+)

149 I don't really believe in karma. I've seen plenty of good people take it in the shorts without respite, and plenty of shitty people getting all manners of reward.
Posted by: Insomniac

Deserve's got nuthin' to do with it.

Posted by: William Munny at December 08, 2016 06:17 PM (RFeQD)

150 Keeps the mailbag from swinging around to the front and getting all wet.
Posted by: Muldoon, private citizen engaging in political satire at December 08, 2016 06:17 PM (wPiJc)

I doubt he has much of a mailbag.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 06:18 PM (0mRoj)

151 >>So if a representative of a state wants to go against the will of the people... well, unless there's a statute saying they can't, I don't think there's really a legal issue with them doing it.

In fact, in about half the states there are such statutes. In any case, the total number of faithless electors in history is less than 100.

This has about as much chance of changing the outcome of the election as big foot taking Trump out in a freak hunting accident before inauguration day.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2016 06:18 PM (/tuJf)

152 Well yes.

And here's where more fissures in a system created in the18th century show themselves.
Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers at December 08, 2016 06:16 PM (U0lQa)

well, the system worked fairly smoothly when we had checks and balances in place.

The congresscritters in the house were the only votes elected by popular vote.

Senators were appointed by the state

As were electors

The idea being the people (the house) and the senate (the state legislatures) would represent "the people" and "the several states" respectively.

Then the electoral college was kind of a hybrid system, although there is no constitutional requirement that i know of that the state send electors who plan on voting as the people did.

The electors are responsible to the state legislatures, not directly to the people.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 08, 2016 06:19 PM (WGxp4)

153 And here's where more fissures in a system created in the18th century show themselves.

As the founders said, this system only works with a virtuous people.

And we ain't that, no more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 08, 2016 06:17 PM (39g3+)

so you want to go about setting up a new system with a bunch or people devoid of virtue?

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 08, 2016 06:19 PM (cPsPa)

154 Well, the Texas Legislature is in session. If we don't have a law against faithless electors yet I can imagine one coming.

Honestly, I could see the guy as being a plant by the left in an effort to further their push to get rid of the EC.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at December 08, 2016 06:19 PM (xQfPr)

155 Here are the last two paragraphs of this dildo's idiotic editorial in the NYT (natch):

"The election of the next president is not yet a done deal. Electors of conscience can still do the right thing for the good of the country. Presidential electors have the legal right and a constitutional duty to vote their conscience. I believe electors should unify behind a Republican alternative, an honorable and qualified man or woman such as Gov. John Kasich of Ohio. I pray my fellow electors will do their job and join with me in discovering who that person should be.

Fifteen years ago, I swore an oath to defend my country and Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. On Dec. 19, I will do it again."

So much stupid/wrong, packed in such a small space.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 08, 2016 06:19 PM (CS7jF)

156 So, if electors aren't supposed to vote their own ideas, why have them? Why have people at all? If everyone is supposed to vote the way the state popular vote went, then why not just give out 'points' instead?

because if the president dies between his election and his inauguration you need a group of human beings to vote on who the president will actually be. "Points" can't do that.

Posted by: ace at December 08, 2016 06:15 PM (8rNrN)

Wouldn't the Vice President candidate step up in that scenario? I mean, nowadays. Perhaps back then, could be an issue.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 06:19 PM (MYX5P)

157 In my opinion, they should have. They had a duty to save the country and failed in that duty.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 08, 2016 06:14 PM (39g3+)

I hate this, but I disagree. People get the government they deserve. The elector did not make that choice, the people did. I'd also argue that an elector making a decision about who is supposed to represent the people of his state is not the same as a representative deciding to oppose or vote for a law that the people find distasteful.

He is essentially telling the people that they do not really have representative government now, and cannot choose the people they want to represent them.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 08, 2016 06:19 PM (92kX2)

158 Aren't we all forgetting John Kasich's father, a celebrated letter carrier?

Posted by: Weasel at December 08, 2016 06:20 PM (Sfs6o)

159 I don't really believe in karma. I've seen plenty of good people take it in the shorts without respite, and plenty of shitty people getting all manners of reward.

Karma is BS. Justice, in this world, is very rare. That's something every adult should have learned by the age of 30 at least. Doing the right thing carries a price in this fallen world.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 08, 2016 06:20 PM (39g3+)

160 I don't really believe in karma. I've seen plenty of good people take it in the shorts without respite, and plenty of shitty people getting all manners of reward.
Posted by: Insomniac
-----------------

Karma is real.
As Dad told me when I was about six, "Fair is a little circus that comes to town once a year. Life ain't gonna be fair. Learn to deal with it."

I am not even sure I believe in God, but I do know that there is a greater force at work - maybe, as has been argued with me, there is a larger, better purpose than this mortal life for some?

Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 08, 2016 06:20 PM (rGSog)

161
Wouldn't the Vice President candidate step up in that scenario? I mean, nowadays. Perhaps back then, could be an issue.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 06:19 PM (MYX5P)

Theres no requirement of that. It could be the VP, or the electors could pick... well, anyone.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 08, 2016 06:21 PM (WGxp4)

162 153 And here's where more fissures in a system created in the18th century show themselves.

As the founders said, this system only works with a virtuous people.

And we ain't that, no more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 08, 2016 06:17 PM (39g3+)

so you want to go about setting up a new system with a bunch or people devoid of virtue?
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 08, 2016 06:19 PM (cPsPa)

Well, the idea was to have a system that didn't require virtue to function. Where competing self-interest would cause the people to have maximum liberty.

Mind you, if the people aren't virtuous...they're screwed anyway. Might as well get the tentacles.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 06:21 PM (MYX5P)

163 The guy is an idiot. Evil, sure, but an idiot nonetheless. I hope I never have to be in DFW and have the bad luck to take a ride in his ambulance.

Posted by: Eromero at December 08, 2016 06:21 PM (zLDYs)

164 Another instance of You Can't Make This Up:

Disgraced former NBC anchor Brian Williams, now relegated to MSNBC, rails against Fake News.

"Fake news played a role in this election and continues to find a wide audience,"

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 08, 2016 06:22 PM (SIY7D)

165 161
Wouldn't the Vice President candidate step up in that scenario? I mean, nowadays. Perhaps back then, could be an issue.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 06:19 PM (MYX5P)

Theres no requirement of that. It could be the VP, or the electors could pick... well, anyone.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 08, 2016 06:21 PM (WGxp4)

Interesting....good to know, thanks.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 06:22 PM (MYX5P)

166 4 Like I said earlier, this guy will be lucky if he only gets punched in the face at parties.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at December 08, 2016 05:41 PM (QQ+il)

--------

And as I replied, have you seen his picture? That's a face that regularly gets punched

Posted by: Make America Great Again at December 08, 2016 06:22 PM (BS8yt)

167 "I don't really believe in karma. I've seen plenty of good people take it in the shorts without respite, and plenty of shitty people getting all manners of reward.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 06:09 PM (0mRoj) "

I don't believe in it as a cosmic force, and certainly there are wicked people who never get their punishment (at least in this existence) and good people who never get their reward. But if you spend your whole life treating people like shit, and then there comes a time when you need a favor/need someone to stick their neck out for you...well, good luck finding someone to do it if everyone thinks you're an asshole.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 08, 2016 06:22 PM (kumBu)

168 Well, the Texas Legislature is in session. If we don't have a law against faithless electors yet I can imagine one coming.

Honestly, I could see the guy as being a plant by the left in an effort to further their push to get rid of the EC.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at December 08, 2016 06:19 PM (xQfPr)
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I think in the NRO article ace linked, it says that Texas does not bind their electors. Or maybe it was the article JackStraw linked about Van Jones. Anyway, this guy is stepping out with Van Jones as are electors in a few other states.

Posted by: bluebell at December 08, 2016 06:23 PM (sBOL1)

169 19 In a winner-takes all system, why in the world do we HAVE electors? Not the Electoral College...I get completely why we need the EC. I'm talking about having actual people do something which could easily be accomplished by math. If the state votes for x, all of that state's EC votes go to x. Simple. No need for meatbaggy skintubes to get together a month later and "vote".

Posted by: Scott M at December 08, 2016 05:46 PM (QUC3G)

++++

Exactly. In the primaries, there is a reason for the actual meatbag delegates. If there is not a clear winner, the delegates dicker and work it out. But, in the case of the election, if there is no clear winner, it goes to the House, and they are the ones who do the dickering. Get rid of the electors.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 08, 2016 06:23 PM (R+30W)

170 >> this guy is stepping out with Van Jones as are
>> electors in a few other states.

Hammer-and-sickle electors.

Posted by: JEM at December 08, 2016 06:23 PM (TppKb)

171 158; cliff claven was a celebrated letter carrier too. probably smarter than catshits' old man.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 08, 2016 06:23 PM (KP5rU)

172 135 I am still trying to figure out how these people think:

1) Hillary is elected president, against the will of the people, in contravention of the constitution.
2) this pisses off roughly half the people in the country far worse than anything we have seen, up to this point.
3)????
4) Peace, Harmony, and puppies!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 08, 2016 06:14 PM (92kX2)

---

Yeah.

No.

Posted by: The Autumn Wind - Silence the Queefs at December 08, 2016 06:24 PM (CRotO)

173 I hate this, but I disagree. People get the government they deserve. The elector did not make that choice, the people did

Well here's what I mean.

Bill Clinton was a sleazy rapist scumbag with bad policy, but he was a good president, in terms of just doing the job. He didn't hate the country and try to destroy it even if it mean violating the law and shredding the constitution.

Jimmy Carter was stupid and incompetent and deep down a miserable racist, but he didn't hate the country, etc.

Barack Hussein Obama hates the USA and is trying to destroy it. He spent four years not just being incompetent and stupid, but actively violating the law, abusing power, and raping the constitution repeatedly.

Bad policy and lousy person I can abide, reluctantly. But Obama went beyond that and should never have been allowed another term. That's one of the main reasons the EC exists: to save us from that.

so you want to go about setting up a new system with a bunch or people devoid of virtue?

Nope, other way around. I want to fight to bring virtue and honor back to our culture. No system works without it, unless "works" means what Hillary Clinton does with power.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 08, 2016 06:24 PM (39g3+)

174 Well, the idea was to have a system that didn't require virtue to function. Where competing self-interest would cause the people to have maximum liberty.

Mind you, if the people aren't virtuous...they're screwed anyway. Might as well get the tentacles.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 08, 2016 06:21 PM (MYX5P)

maybe, but the circumstances surrounding the founding and the creation of the Constitution were as close to ideal as possible. nothing we would generate today would be anywhere near as desirable.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 08, 2016 06:25 PM (cPsPa)

175 That's certainly a good thing. Not every ideologue professor will do that.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 06:16 PM (0mRoj)

I had a high school social studies teacher who was the same way. She was as liberal as it gets, and stuck in a hostile environment (i.e. the other students who suddenly decided that they were liberal too to earn her favor), I had to learn to research and back up everything I said. I don't think we shared the same opinion on a single issue, but research and citing and footnoting got me better grades on papers that she surely disagreed with than those from other students who never had to learn that and were trying to play to her politics. I definitely respect her for that.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 08, 2016 06:26 PM (8nWyX)

176 If the founders thought the people were virtuous, they would not have set up a system that removes the people so far from the government (ie: a layer between elections of senators and the people and a layer between elections of presidents and the people.)

if we followed the constitution as designed, we'd have way fewer problems, not way more.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 08, 2016 06:26 PM (WGxp4)

177 It's important to remember that the founding fathers set up our national government as a federal republic, not a national democracy.

For a reason.

It was very purposeful.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 08, 2016 06:27 PM (WGxp4)

178 147
Rock Me Mr. Nurpus
by Falco

He's the Texas elector who's supposed to vote for Trump
But he decided it was cooler to act like a chump
He cast his vote for Kasich and partied with Van Jones
And ev'rybody screamed:
Come on, Rock me Mr. Nurpus

Mr. Nurpus Mr. Nurpus
Mr. Nurpus Mr. Nurpus
Mr. Nurpus Mr. Nurpus
Oh oh oh Mr. Nurpus.
Posted by: zombie at December 08, 2016 06:17 PM (jBuUi)

Awesome. I'll hear the chorus differently the next time that song crosses my ear.

Posted by: Splunge at December 08, 2016 06:27 PM (iMxBJ)

179 "That's certainly a good thing. Not every ideologue professor will do that.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2016 06:16 PM (0mRoj) "

For sure, I definitely had some who dinged me for my politics, in classes completely unrelated to politics. One of them I'm almost positive purposely has your entire grade made up of subjective scores (pretty much all essays) so that he could give failing/poor grades to students for purely spiteful reasons.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 08, 2016 06:28 PM (kumBu)

180 You don't ask the UPS guy to 'deliver his conscience', you ask him to deliver your package to the intended recipient. Same concept here, the elector is the agent of the people of the state and should fucking do his job as we tell him. Chaps my ass as a Texas voter...

Posted by: In Exile at December 08, 2016 06:28 PM (Jy8/g)

181 By the way, anybody notice that the House overwhelmingly passed a short term spending bill, 4 months, that also has a clause paving the way for a vote on Mattis a couple hours ago? Schummer is threatening to shut down the government if the House won't renegotiate and Ryan told him to talk to the hand and the House is done voting until next year.

Things appear a tad different lately.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2016 06:28 PM (/tuJf)

182 I sort of understood the worries of the nevertrump crowd.

What I cannot understand is why they continue?

Posted by: rd

Because it was and still is raging narcissism.

They couldn't offer any reason for being obstinate without invoking "MUH PRINCIPULZ, MUH INTERGERTEH. Me, me, me - let's talk about me some more!!"

I had no idea that there were this many people ostensibly on our side of the aisle that have wrapped their entire personas in a political framework that they can't look at a candidate as a simple transaction in a huge ocean of life.

Ego is the headiest of drugs. JUST SAY NO@!!@!@#@$#

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2016 06:28 PM (1G5R8)

183
Aren't we all forgetting John Kasich's father, a celebrated letter carrier?
Posted by: Weasel

He carried the letter "K" on Sesame Street.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 08, 2016 06:29 PM (IqV8l)

184 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 08, 2016 06:24 PM (39g3+)

What you are talking about is not something for the electors to do, but Congress through the power of impeachment. If the people want to get rid of the guy, really get rid of him, they either have their representatives do it, or they elect new representatives who will. The fact that that did not happen means not enough people agreed that that is what should be done or it was not enough of a priority.

Sorry, but people get the representatives they want as a whole, even if it is a lying traitorous scumbag.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 08, 2016 06:29 PM (92kX2)

185 Well, the Texas Legislature is in session. ...
Posted by: Laughing in Texas

Speaking of, where is that fucknut Jordan?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2016 06:29 PM (1G5R8)

186 Nope, other way around. I want to fight to bring virtue and honor back to our culture. No system works without it, unless "works" means what Hillary Clinton does with power.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 08, 2016 06:24 PM (39g3+)

virtue has never been the dominant quality in any country, that is why they set the Constitution up the way they did with checks and balances.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 08, 2016 06:30 PM (cPsPa)

187 "Bailiff, whack his pee pee."

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 08, 2016 06:30 PM (cm1Bl)

188 if we followed the constitution as designed, we'd have way fewer problems, not way more.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 08, 2016 06:26 PM (WGxp4)

If we followed the constitution as designed, we would not have this issue since the federal government would be able to fund (maybe) a robust defense and moderate trade between the states and not much else. The federal income tax took care of that.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 08, 2016 06:31 PM (92kX2)

189 In the original system, the only thing the people voted on directly was the House.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 08, 2016 06:31 PM (DW+jj)

190
so you want to go about setting up a new system with a bunch or people devoid of virtue?

+++

On the contrary, I fear a people devoid of virtue will set about replacing the system.

Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers at December 08, 2016 06:31 PM (U0lQa)

191
Naaaa-naaa-na-na-na-naaaah
Na-na-na-naaaah
Na-na-na-naaaah

*does Tomahawk Chop*

Posted by: fixerupper - freezing my ass off at Arrowhead at December 08, 2016 06:32 PM (JmjOe)

192 If we followed the constitution as designed, we would not have this issue since the federal government would be able to fund (maybe) a robust defense and moderate trade between the states and not much else. The federal income tax took care of that.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 08, 2016 06:31 PM (92kX2)

Yes, the first progressive era doomed us to this existence.

Income Tax, Direct election of Senators, the Federal Reserve system, the origins of the alphabet agencies, the idea that the Constitution was "living and breathing," legal realism, etc. etc. etc.

All in a very short period of time. Really is remarkable.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 08, 2016 06:32 PM (WGxp4)

193 But in most matters of the fairness of life, I agree with Terry Pratchett.

There is no justice. There's just us.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 08, 2016 06:33 PM (kumBu)

194 What you are talking about is not something for the electors to do

Sorry but that's exactly what they are to do. They're the last stopgap preventing evil from being elected. That's one of their most important jobs.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 08, 2016 06:33 PM (39g3+)

195 In the original system, the only thing the people voted on directly was the House.

*****

In the original system each member of the House represented about 25,000 people. Today it's more like 600,000.

Posted by: Muldoon, private citizen engaging in political satire at December 08, 2016 06:33 PM (wPiJc)

196 Bill Clinton takes the credit for things that he opposed and lost to Newt Gingrich. Liberals hate him, and the proper reaction to this is to put his face on Mt Rushmore. If there's room.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 08, 2016 06:34 PM (VdICR)

197 191
Naaaa-naaa-na-na-na-naaaah
Na-na-na-naaaah
Na-na-na-naaaah

*does Tomahawk Chop*
Posted by: fixerupper - freezing my ass off at Arrowhead at December 08, 2016 06:32 PM (JmjOe)

---

LOL!!

Posted by: The Autumn Wind - Silence the Queefs at December 08, 2016 06:34 PM (CRotO)

198 If any elector from a Blue State in 2008 or 2012 had opted to cast a vote for McCain or Romney instead of Obama, I would have despised them. For being faithless, liars, and selfish.
There is a matter of integrity as far as I am concerned.
Then again, maybe that doesn't matter so much in a Post-Modern world.

Posted by: tubal at December 08, 2016 06:34 PM (d6TTt)

199 In the original system each member of the House represented about 25,000 people. Today it's more like 600,000.
Posted by: Muldoon, private citizen engaging in political satire at December 08, 2016 06:33 PM (wPiJc)

So, do you think it would be better to allow the increase in the number of people in the house?

I do not have an opinion one way or the other as I can see pluses and minuses either way.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 08, 2016 06:35 PM (92kX2)

200 The most important "principle"? Preening.

I didn't save the link, but someone linked an article the other day that included the word "preenciple". Perfect.

Posted by: rickl - THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU at December 08, 2016 06:35 PM (sdi6R)

201 Love to preen, with a back of dicks in each hand.

Posted by: Chris Soporific at December 08, 2016 06:36 PM (Tyii7)

202 Yea, I figured nobody would notice when the Democrats threatened to shut down the government. If the media doesn't report it does a bear shit in the woods?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2016 06:36 PM (/tuJf)

203 Sort of OT: Story over at Weasel Zippers about the Georgia Secretary of State, you know, the people who run the elections, and an attempted hack into their system. On NOvember 15th.

Who is behind the unsuccessful hack?

Obama's Department of Homeland Security. Story is in the Wall Street Journal as well.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at December 08, 2016 06:36 PM (nFg65)

204 202 Yea, I figured nobody would notice when the Democrats threatened to shut down the government. If the media doesn't report it does a bear shit in the woods?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2016 06:36 PM (/tuJf)

Am I the only one who would be fine with the government completely shutting down while Trump's picks hollow out the agencies?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 08, 2016 06:37 PM (92kX2)

205 Who is behind the unsuccessful hack?

Obama's Department of Homeland Security. Story is in the Wall Street Journal as well.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at December 08,

Those guys.
Comedy gold.

Posted by: tubal at December 08, 2016 06:37 PM (d6TTt)

206 155:Fifteen years ago, I swore an oath to defend my country and Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. On Dec. 19, I will do it again."

I AM SMUG, HEAR ME ROAR!!!!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 08, 2016 06:38 PM (pY+s4)

207 Darn it, my computer speakers are going out.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 08, 2016 06:38 PM (92kX2)

208 Who is behind the unsuccessful hack?

Obama's Department of Homeland Security. Story is in the Wall Street Journal as well.

Posted by: shibumi

Can only hope that Jeff Sessions investigates and goes for the death penalty.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2016 06:38 PM (1G5R8)

209 >>Am I the only one who would be fine with the government completely shutting down while Trump's picks hollow out the agencies?

That's specifically why the House went with a 4 month spending bill that includes almost nothing new save for a provision providing for a vote for Mattis. They want to clear the Senate decks to give them a chance to vote on Trump's cabinet picks before negotiating an actual new spending bill, one that they know Trump will sign.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2016 06:39 PM (/tuJf)

210 187 "Bailiff, whack his pee pee."
Posted by: tcn in AK
-----------------

Wait!
tcn is Judge Judy??? Cool beans!

Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 08, 2016 06:39 PM (rGSog)

211 199 In the original system each member of the House represented about 25,000 people. Today it's more like 600,000.
Posted by: Muldoon, private citizen engaging in political satire at December 08, 2016 06:33 PM (wPiJc)

So, do you think it would be better to allow the increase in the number of people in the house?

I do not have an opinion one way or the other as I can see pluses and minuses either way.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 08, 2016 06:35 PM (92kX2)

++++

I do. It would mean increasing the size of the House from 435 to over 10,000, but it would mean that each and every House member would represent much fewer people, and would have to be more interested in the political desires of those individuals. They would need to spend more time in their districts, talking with their constituents, and less time pleasing lobbyists.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 08, 2016 06:40 PM (R+30W)

212 Fake news?

What's destroying this country is fake candidates.

Lying shitsacks who run on issues for office or expose principles which they have zero intention of following.

At least, apparently until we got Trump, who may keep his promises. At least, from current appearances.

You don't get voted into office because we want you in office, shitbag.

We put you in office to do your job and our bidding.

If you don't like that, don't run for office.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 08, 2016 06:40 PM (vZ9Fw)

213 I emailed my (extremely conservative) TX state rep regarding this story and if there was any consideration by the TXLeg to pass some sort of law regarding punishment of faithless electors and what his personal thoughts were.

Waiting to hear back...

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at December 08, 2016 06:40 PM (+eR2D)

214 Ugh, I'm making an appearance at our apartment building's holiday party just to snag some free booze. Does that make me a bad person?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 08, 2016 06:40 PM (EnKk6)

215 About the representative ratio. The Founders put a lower limit on the ratio of people to representatives, but not an upper limit. (Some people will talk about the reciprocal, and thus say they put a upper limit of the reps to people ratio).

They had two ideas. They did want "raw faction" to show up in the House. If the ratio is too small, then you get that faction showing up directly. We'd call that "special interests" today. They wanted each rep to have competing factions amongst his constituents, not having the rep have only one.

Now, on the other extreme, you have "cabals of the few". This is a small number of people becoming a bunch of elite insiders.

The way it ended up, they put a limit on the former in the Constitution, but not the latter.

I've seen arguments that the ratio should be lowered. As it is, by law, the number of House members is set at 435. The ratio is whatever it has to be to meet that number, with those 435 being apportioned as needed between the states. This is why with each census some states gain and others lose.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 08, 2016 06:41 PM (DW+jj)

216 I do. It would mean increasing the size of the House from 435 to over 10,000, but it would mean that each and every House member would represent much fewer people, and would have to be more interested in the political desires of those individuals. They would need to spend more time in their districts, talking with their constituents, and less time pleasing lobbyists.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 08, 2016 06:40 PM (R+30W)

Fair point. Also waters down their individual power- which I am just fine with.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 08, 2016 06:41 PM (92kX2)

217 Well, the Texas Legislature is in session. If we don't have a law against faithless electors yet I can imagine one coming.

Honestly, I could see the guy as being a plant by the left in an effort to further their push to get rid of the EC.

Exactly. When we seriously talked about the EC going 269-269 and throwing it to the House, it honestly wouldn't have mattered.

The only thing that would have mattered is which side could threaten more electors families to get them to flip.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2016 06:41 PM (784ZQ)

218 214
Ugh, I'm making an appearance at our apartment building's holiday party
just to snag some free booze. Does that make me a bad person?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 08, 2016 06:40 PM (EnKk6)
Nope. I've attended parties just for the booze and dessert.

Posted by: IC at December 08, 2016 06:41 PM (a0IVu)

219 I'm for a system of electing President's with states having a certain amount of votes instead of purely by direct popular votes, but the whole concept of an Elector going "rogue" and that being a check on a "tyrant" has never really sat well with me.

It always to me seemed like a Civil War waiting to happen.

Imagine had this election gone 269-269 and this guy pulled this shit. And supposedly, that's why we have "human" electors for this function? So some unelected clown gets to make this call on who is "good enough" to be President?

Posted by: Maritime at December 08, 2016 06:41 PM (tcUhm)

220 10,000 Reps is fine.
But only if we pay them $100 a year.

And run for re-election every 6 months.

Posted by: tubal at December 08, 2016 06:42 PM (d6TTt)

221 Ugh, I'm making an appearance at our apartment building's holiday party just to snag some free booze. Does that make me a bad person?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 08, 2016 06:40 PM (EnKk6)
-------------

It makes you a Moron™. So, no.

Posted by: bluebell at December 08, 2016 06:42 PM (sBOL1)

222 "Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 08, 2016 06:40 PM (EnKk6) "

Wait....you mean there are other reasons to go to parties besides free booze?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 08, 2016 06:42 PM (kumBu)

223 Ugh, I'm making an appearance at our apartment building's holiday party
just to snag some free booze. Does that make me a bad person?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 08, 2016 06:40 PM (EnKk6)
Nope. I've attended parties just for the booze and dessert.
Posted by: IC at December 08, 2016 06:41 PM (a0IVu)

---

Nope.

Not a bad person at all.

Posted by: The Autumn Wind - Silence the Queefs at December 08, 2016 06:43 PM (CRotO)

224 218 214
Ugh, I'm making an appearance at our apartment building's holiday party
just to snag some free booze. Does that make me a bad person?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 08, 2016 06:40 PM (EnKk6)
Nope. I've attended parties just for the booze and dessert.
Posted by: IC at December 08, 2016 06:41 PM (a0IVu)

Wait, aside from the women, food and alcohol, why go to parties?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 08, 2016 06:43 PM (92kX2)

225
Am I the only one who would be fine with the government completely shutting down while Trump's picks hollow out the agencies?
Posted by: Aetius451AD
-----------------

I hope that was a typo, and you meant to type " the marrow from their bones."

Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 08, 2016 06:43 PM (rGSog)

226 lol bluebell

Posted by: The Autumn Wind - Silence the Queefs at December 08, 2016 06:43 PM (CRotO)

227 Fox just announced that Tucker Carlson is going one-on-one with this guy on his show this evening.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 08, 2016 06:44 PM (IqV8l)

228 Sorry but that's exactly what they are to do. They're the last stopgap preventing evil from being elected. That's one of their most important jobs.

OR, by making sure it IS elected.
Against the wishes of the electorate.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2016 06:44 PM (784ZQ)

229 214 Ugh, I'm making an appearance at our apartment building's holiday party just to snag some free booze. Does that make me a bad person?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 08, 2016 06:40 PM (EnKk6)

I always went to observe the fights, and infidelities.

Posted by: tubal at December 08, 2016 06:44 PM (d6TTt)

230 18 214
Ugh, I'm making an appearance at our apartment building's holiday party
just to snag some free booze. Does that make me a bad person?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 08, 2016 06:40 PM (EnKk6)

well, not unless you are required to bring some booze and you are not bringing booze.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 08, 2016 06:44 PM (cPsPa)

231 Wait....you mean there are other reasons to go to parties besides free booze?
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 08, 2016 06:42 PM (kumBu)

*Touches your elbow* Women, Sir.

Posted by: British Butler at December 08, 2016 06:44 PM (92kX2)

232
Ugh, I'm making an appearance at our apartment building's holiday party just to snag some free booze. Does that make me a bad person?

They offer free booze to get people to show up,so no.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 08, 2016 06:44 PM (lKyWE)

233 You could lower the representative ratio by thousands just by going back to the original requirements for the franchise.

As long as we're being realistic and all.

/s

Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers at December 08, 2016 06:45 PM (U0lQa)

234 Drudge has a pic of Scankles at Dingy Harry's portrait ceremony. It looks like she's seizing.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 08, 2016 06:45 PM (89T5c)

235 Posted by: Maritime at December 08, 2016 06:41 PM

See my #217. GMTA. *Fistbump*

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2016 06:45 PM (784ZQ)

236 New Trend Alert: If you are a white male or female, and you are not attracted to a group of People sexually and do not wish to have sex with them, THEN you are a racist. WTF.

This will be parroted out by the left in the near future to shame and surpress women from pressing charges in America and Europe who are raped by "migrants" or "illegals". Will be used against children as well. Bank on it.

Jenna Jameson is being harassed on Twitter for not having sex with black men. Sexual preference is now Caucasian code speak for being a racist.

Unbelievable that our culture is headed in this direction.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 08, 2016 06:45 PM (8wEhr)

237 The TSA finally took down the infamous Judge Reinhold sleeper cell. I feel more safe.

Posted by: rich at December 08, 2016 06:46 PM (J2AJ8)

238 Word on Rotten Tomatoes is that you're better off going to your apartment's holiday party than Aniston's Office Christmas Party

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 08, 2016 06:46 PM (6FqZa)

239 I disagree that the elector was supposed to be the last bulwark against tyranny.

I think instead it was a necessary method of communication when the only known means was movement of people from one point to another.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at December 08, 2016 06:46 PM (BS8yt)

240 I always went to observe the fights, and infidelities.
Posted by: tubal at December 08, 2016 06:44 PM (d6TTt)
---------------

We used to go to my husband's huge corporate party in DC each year for one reason, and one reason only: to watch the karaoke. There was an open bar in the same room.

It was epic.

Posted by: bluebell at December 08, 2016 06:46 PM (sBOL1)

241
In other fake news, Dallas Police and Fire Pension Fund is broke, and can't pay. Over optimistic investment returns didn't materialize. And there were some risky real estate investments that should be looked at.

Posted by: True Optimist at December 08, 2016 06:46 PM (VIOUA)

242 Drudge has a pic of Scankles at Dingy Harry's portrait ceremony. It looks like she's seizing.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 08, 2016 06:45 PM (89T5c)

Damn, that's priceless!
Was looking for Biden, like he'd grabbed her ass.

Posted by: tubal at December 08, 2016 06:47 PM (d6TTt)

243 234
Drudge has a pic of Scankles at Dingy Harry's portrait ceremony. It looks like she's seizing.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 08, 2016 06:45 PM (89T5c)
That is a hideous purple pant suit. What is with her and Michelle's fashion sense???

Posted by: IC at December 08, 2016 06:47 PM (a0IVu)

244 This will be parroted out by the left in the near future to shame and surpress women from pressing charges in America and Europe who are raped by "migrants" or "illegals". Will be used against children as well. Bank on it.

Jenna Jameson is being harassed on Twitter for not having sex with black men. Sexual preference is now Caucasian code speak for being a racist.

Unbelievable that our culture is headed in this direction.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 08, 2016 06:45 PM (8wEhr)

well, it could be some publicity stunt set up by her dad so she can kick off her cumback with a bunch of black guys. maybe kapernick and van jones.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 08, 2016 06:47 PM (cPsPa)

245 Ace, just for the record, Geraghty was #NeverTrump during the election. Looks like the election has sorted out those who were preening narcissists and those who were actually principled about their choice.

Posted by: darii at December 08, 2016 06:47 PM (RdrW8)

246 Does the lack of electronic communications back then have anything to do with the creation of Electors, the fact that voting had to be done in person after traveling to the Capitol?

And if the Elector didn't vote the will of those he represents he has to actually physically face them?

Posted by: davidt at December 08, 2016 06:47 PM (XoldI)

247 237 The TSA finally took down the infamous Judge Reinhold sleeper cell. I feel more safe.
Posted by: rich at December 08, 2016 06:46 PM (J2AJ

Well, The Santa Clause 2 was pretty bad.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 08, 2016 06:47 PM (92kX2)

248 Nope. I've attended parties just for the booze and dessert.
Posted by: IC at December 08, 2016 06:41 PM (a0IVu)

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Nope.

Not a bad person at all.
Posted by: The Autumn Wind
------------------

Someone once stopped me from crashing a wedding reception at a fancy hotel.
I didn't care about the chicks - just the free food & booze.

Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 08, 2016 06:47 PM (rGSog)

249 In other fake news, Dallas Police and Fire Pension Fund is broke, and can't pay. Over optimistic investment returns didn't materialize. And there were some risky real estate investments that should be looked at.
Posted by: True Optimist at December 08, 2016 06:46 PM (VIOUA)

not to worry, they are issuing fake money.

this is what happens when guarantee 8% returns.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 08, 2016 06:48 PM (cPsPa)

250 Was looking for Biden, like he'd grabbed [Hillary's] ass.

Ew no. I have standards.

Posted by: joe biden at December 08, 2016 06:48 PM (6FqZa)

251
Exactly. When we seriously talked about the EC going 269-269 and throwing it to the House, it honestly wouldn't have mattered.

The only thing that would have mattered is which side could threaten more electors families to get them to flip.
Posted by: rickb223

What I'm saying is, if the election "technically" went 269-269 but this guy flipped to Hillary and made it 270-268, we have one unelected guy that just chose our President against how the states actually voted.

Again, I'm not saying I want a popular vote to decide our President, but the idea of anyone making a decision that is the opposite of how the state actually voted over really any issue seems to me to be a HUGE flaw in our Constitution that we just sort of turn a blind eye to because it hasn't blown up yet.

Posted by: Maritime at December 08, 2016 06:49 PM (tcUhm)

252 I read one article where the author advocated just cutting the ratio by a 1/2. Increase the House to about 2000 members.

That would decrease the prestige of each one by a lot, but still make a manageable size.

You'd have 2000 to buy off, not just 435.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 08, 2016 06:49 PM (DW+jj)

253 Greg Lake died

Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2016 06:49 PM (5sOEp)

254 Posted by: Make America Great Again at December 08, 2016 06:46 PM (BS8yt)

yeah, what he asked

Posted by: davidt at December 08, 2016 06:49 PM (XoldI)

255 It would mean increasing the size of the House from 435 to over 10,000
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Massachusetts tried that way back in the beginning. It didn't work.

Posted by: True Optimist at December 08, 2016 06:50 PM (VIOUA)

256 Pantsuit makes her look like Barney without the headpiece on

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 08, 2016 06:50 PM (zv81W)

257 Jenna Jameson is being harassed on Twitter for not having sex with black men. Sexual preference is now Caucasian code speak for being a racist.

++++

That's old stuff. How black guys used to get white girls to fuck them. Then they'd get pregnant and the black guy would run away.

Only difference is whites are doing it also.

Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers at December 08, 2016 06:50 PM (U0lQa)

258 155:Fifteen years ago, I swore an oath to defend my country and Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. On Dec. 19, I will do it again."

I AM SMUG, HEAR ME ROAR!!!!!

Posted by: Puddleglum
****

I am smug, hear me bore!

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at December 08, 2016 06:50 PM (hVdx9)

259 In other fake news, Dallas Police and Fire Pension Fund is broke, and can't pay. Over optimistic investment returns didn't materialize. And there were some risky real estate investments that should be looked at.
Posted by: True Optimist

not to worry, they are issuing fake money.

this is what happens when guarantee 8% returns.
Posted by: yankeefifth

Glad I don't have to drive in Dallas proper. Po po gonna be looking at ways to make money for the city.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2016 06:50 PM (784ZQ)

260 Pantsuit makes her look like Barney without the headpiece on
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 08, 2016 06:50 PM (zv81W)
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Don't insult Barney like that.

Posted by: bluebell at December 08, 2016 06:51 PM (sBOL1)

261 237 The TSA finally took down the infamous Judge Reinhold sleeper cell. I feel more safe.

--

Is he even a real judge, hmmmmmm?

Posted by: @votermom @vm at December 08, 2016 06:52 PM (Om16U)

262 Glad I don't have to drive in Dallas proper. Po po gonna be looking at ways to make money for the city.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2016 06:50 PM (784ZQ)

heh, dallas is adopting the privateer model for law enforcement.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 08, 2016 06:52 PM (cPsPa)

263 I guess in our Brave New World, Jenna Jameson can't fuck who she wants to fuck.
"Progressive Rules for Fucking", as taught at State U.
Count on it.

Posted by: tubal at December 08, 2016 06:53 PM (d6TTt)

264 Glad I don't have to drive in Dallas proper. Po po gonna be looking at ways to make money for the city.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2016 06:50 PM (784ZQ)

heh, dallas is adopting the privateer model for law enforcement.

Posted by: yankeefifth
*****

As long as they don't want my booty.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at December 08, 2016 06:53 PM (hVdx9)

265
The rusted chains of prison moons
Are shattered by the sun
I walk a road horizons change
The tournament's begun
The purple piper plays his tune
The choir softly sing
Three lullabies in ancient tongue
For the court of the Crimson King

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 08, 2016 06:53 PM (0F67M)

266 Again, I'm not saying I want a popular vote to decide our President, but the idea of anyone making a decision that is the opposite of how the state actually voted over really any issue seems to me to be a HUGE flaw in our Constitution that we just sort of turn a blind eye to because it hasn't blown up yet.
Posted by: Maritime

I'm agreeing with you. Only difference is I'm not willing to take the high road. I'll get down in the mud and rassle the pig.
Because you know the dems will.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2016 06:53 PM (784ZQ)

267 237 The TSA finally took down the infamous Judge Reinhold sleeper cell. I feel more safe.

--

Is he even a real judge, hmmmmmm?
Posted by: @votermom @vm at December 08, 2016 06:52 PM (Om16U)

he and jenna jameson must have the same pr firm. he must be working on his cumback too.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 08, 2016 06:54 PM (cPsPa)

268
The keeper of the city keys
Puts shutters on the dreams
I wait outside the pilgrims door
With insufficient schemes
The black queen chants the funeral march
The cracked brass bell will ring
To summon back the fire witch
To the court of the Crimson King

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 08, 2016 06:54 PM (0F67M)

269 AhhhhAhheAh
AhhheAhEah

Posted by: freaked at December 08, 2016 06:54 PM (BO/km)

270
The gardener plants an evergreen
Whilst trampling on a flower
I chased the wind of a prism ship
To taste the sweet and sour
The pattern juggler lifts his hand
The orchestra begin
I slowly turn the grinding wheel
In the court of the Crimson King

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 08, 2016 06:54 PM (0F67M)

271 Being an elector to the Electoral College after the general election is kind of like being a delegate to the party's national convention after the primary. IN THEORY, the delegates/electors are supposed to carry out the results of the elections. IN PRACTICE, it's an opportunity to participate in the mechanics of the political apparatus - rub shoulders with VIPs, shake hands with the nomenklaturi in order to check a box on the resume and run for city council, state assemblyman, county nominating committee - while possibly getting some swag, a couple of free drinks, and maybe hooking up. That is to say, it's a convention environment for people who are or want to be upwardly mobile.

The delegates/electors aren't really needed if the system works, and their presence is a formality, a mere going-through-the-motions. But who's going to turn down a free trip to a convention?

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 08, 2016 06:54 PM (iIzG7)

272 What's happening in Dallas could easily happen to any city at any time.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 08, 2016 06:55 PM (89T5c)

273 So we are going to shame lesbian porn actresses because they won't sleep with black men?
Just wondering.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at December 08, 2016 06:55 PM (hVdx9)

274
On soft grey mornings widows cry
The wise men share a joke
I run to grasp divining signs
To satisfy the hoax
The yellow jester does not play
But gently pulls the strings
And smiles as the puppets dance
In the court of the Crimson King

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 08, 2016 06:55 PM (0F67M)

275 They tried to reform the city pension plan here Phoenix where just new hires would be on something like a 401k instead of a pension.

Oh boy, did it get ugly from the unions. The main thrust was the new law would take away death benefits for widows of fallen police officers. Even the liberal local paper called it out as bullshit, but it worked and the reform failed.

Posted by: Maritime at December 08, 2016 06:55 PM (tcUhm)

276 In other Soylent Green news...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lost-found-japan-tags-

dementia-sufferers-barcodes-093502777.html

(remove extra spaces)

Actually, this is probably a good idea if alzheimer's has made you truly loco in the coco.

Lots of them run away or walk out the door and get lost. This would make for an almost instant idea.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 08, 2016 06:56 PM (vZ9Fw)

277 268
The keeper of the city keys
Puts shutters on the dreams
I wait outside the pilgrims door
With insufficient schemes
The black queen chants the funeral march
The cracked brass bell will ring
To summon back the fire witch
To the court of the Crimson King
Posted by: Grump

It sounds better when you're tripping.
And staring at the album cover. For a looong time.

Posted by: tubal at December 08, 2016 06:56 PM (d6TTt)

278 Jenna Jameson let herself go, didn't she? Got hooked on oxy or some shit and was flat broke and looked ridden hard and put up wet. Wiki says she's 42.

Now, Julia Ann, 47, has definitely NOT let herself go.

Oh, I don't know who these gals are at all. Never heard of 'em.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 08, 2016 06:56 PM (DW+jj)

279 I'm all for increasing the size of the House. 10,000 sounds good. Also absolute "one and done" term limits.

Gotta go and put some ornaments up, God help me, its family time

Posted by: Make America Great Again at December 08, 2016 06:57 PM (BS8yt)

280 Nood

Posted by: tu3031 at December 08, 2016 06:57 PM (qJhUV)

281 I think having Electors is good in the hopefully rare occurrence that between the election and the inaugural, the voters find out something really bad about the candidate. Like maybe he's a real Nazi or a murder or something. Or if the PE dies before the Electoral vote. If the vast vast majority of the citizens want them to change their vote, it's a good thing. If it's a minority and they essential overturn the election, they should expect to me murdered, though that's almost a given either way.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 08, 2016 06:58 PM (0F67M)

282 What's happening in Dallas could easily happen to any city at any time.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

When we talk about the $220 TRILLION in unfunded/underfunded liabilities THAT is exactly what we are talking about.

It's the pension funds of every city, county, state & fed pension.
Because they ALL bet on return rates that were unicorn rates.
7%, 8%, 9%, for 30+ years.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2016 07:00 PM (784ZQ)

283 236 New Trend Alert: If you are a white male or female, and you are not attracted to a group of People sexually and do not wish to have sex with them, THEN you are a racist. WTF.

Does furiously masturbating to black lesbian pron count as not racist? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 08, 2016 07:10 PM (pY+s4)

284 Drudge has a pic of Scankles at Dingy Harry's portrait ceremony. It looks like she's seizing.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 08, 2016 06:45 PM (89T5c)

Is that woman behind dirty harry wearing a camouflage poncho? Sure looks like it.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at December 08, 2016 07:19 PM (d76uN)

285 Of course this guy is a douche. But in general, we set up systems with actual living people deciding to protect against unforeseen or unforeseeable events. What if Trump had gone crazy after winning? (Like seriously batshit crazy). I'd break my vow for that. What if he announced he was a Commie and out Jill Stein as AG, and Sanders at Sec of Defense? Yeah I know these are stupid. But the idea is that how you view a faithless elector depends on the circumstances. Under our actual circumstances, nothing that unexpected so guy is a douche.

Posted by: Chris not rock at December 08, 2016 07:21 PM (27q/y)

286 Assemble the giant robot !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 08, 2016 07:28 PM (02Q1d)

287 This elector is my kind of guy! I encourage this approach to become more widespread.

Posted by: The Supreme Commander, Barack Obama at December 08, 2016 08:12 PM (sCBEO)

288 I've had just about enough of this. *slowly balls fists*

Posted by: Regular joe at December 08, 2016 08:34 PM (ROIz5)

289 What I find hilarious is he thinks Kasich is a great example of what a president should be, you know the same arrogant asshole who helped get Trump elected by staying in and taking votes from Cruz. The same asshole who just said we dont know the motivation behind the Ohio State terrorist attack was. Of the 300 people running for the Rebup non-union, Kasich was about 300 on the list of integrity.

Posted by: Rbastid at December 08, 2016 09:32 PM (Yobfw)

290 Although the Founders intended for members of the Electoral College to be unbound and therefore able to "vote their conscience," the Texas election code reads "Vote Required for Election. The set of elector candidates that is elected is the one that corresponds to the candidates for president and vice-president receiving the most votes." (Sec. 192.005). Suprun was hinting before the November that he would not vote for Trump, just hinting though... wouldn't come right out and declare it because then he could have been de-certified. Another elector, Cisneros, also said he would not vote for Trump, and when Trump won the national election, Cisneros resigned. He will be replaced before the EC meets. Suprun knew the rules going in. He can't be replaced now unless he resigns and he must have known that, too, because there aren't any sanctions for "faithless" electors in the code.

Posted by: itsacookbook at December 08, 2016 09:37 PM (yPxXc)

291

People think it would be fun to be a bird because you could fly. But they forget the negative side, which is the preening.

Posted by: Jack Handey at December 08, 2016 09:43 PM (HIxCZ)

292 John Kasich broke his promise to support the nominee, too. No wonder the liar is supporting that backstabbing shitbird.

Posted by: Lace Wigg at December 08, 2016 11:36 PM (Rf3e1)

293 Even Kasich himself has basically said 'don't do it you dipshit' now. Out of self preservation in his state no doubt but still - there it is.

Posted by: Ryan Murphy at December 09, 2016 10:56 AM (DFtoc)

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