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On Media Lies and Political Lore

The media wants to talk about Fake News. Okay, let's talk about it.

Let's talk about what this really is -- lore.

lore1

noun

a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth

Lore is kind of communal bullshit -- bullshit about your family legacy (how many people have "family lore" that tells them they're one thirty-second Cherokee, for example*), bullshit about sex, bullshit about how not to get pregnant, bullshit about how to increase your sexual potency (oysters! powdered rhino horn! gorilla dick jerky!).

There is of course political lore -- a tradition of bullshit passed from one partisan to another, never really sourced to anything a rationalist would call an authority or proof. Just stuff that "everyone knows."

Everyone knows if you have sex with the woman on top you can't get pregnant.

Everyone knows Mikey from the cereal commercials died when he drank soda while eating Pop Rocks.

The media is always on patrol to debunk such bullshit political lore coming from the right side of the political aisle -- and make fun of right-wingers for believing such nonsense, and claim such nonsense has real consequences in life, so if you're spreading such lore, you may be killing people, for real!

That's why they're currently in such orgasms over the #PizzaGate shooter. #PizzaGate sure sounds like Internet Detective nonsense to me, but the media has seized on this one story as a way to deflect from the fact that they've been pumping out their own FakeNews all year -- and all decade, in fact. **

Criticizing amateur news-sleuths is a lot more fun for the media than explaining why so-called professionals are so amateurish and biased.

But back to the lore: the media wants to find every piece of rightwing bullshit, rightwing lore they can and show how totally false fake falsity-false Lie it is.

But notice they never challenge any leftwing lore.

In fact, they're the most prominent purveyors of such fare.

And of course they don't want to talk about that.

"Hands Up, Don't Shoot" -- the lore that Michael Brown was an innocent bystander, raising his hands in surrender as an Evil White Cop executed him for being black -- was a lie from the start, concocted by Brown's partner-in-crime (literal partner in crime -- he was present during the bodega robbery earlier that day) and then spread by a media just looking for stories that would illustrate their Narratives that we need to elect Democrats.

handsupdontshoot.jpg
CNN spreading the Hands Up Don't Shoot #FakeNews

Michael Brown's mother was invited by the Democratic National Convention to speak at Hillary's four-day nominating commercial -- and she stood with parents with sons who arguably or even probably had been killed in questionable circumstances.

Michael Brown had not been killed in questionable circumstances -- even Obama's corrupt DOJ had to admit that. Yet there she was, because leftwing political lore still deemed Michael Brown a Gentle Giant and Innocent Victim, and it didn't matter what the actual facts of the matter were.

The media said nothing about it. They praised the folks on stage for their strength. They did not criticize Hillary Clinton for putting on a pageant containing Fake News and provable lies.

Lore that excites conservatives -- and which may be necessary for building party unity among conservatives -- must be eradicated. Michael Flynn's son must be chased off of transition teams for believing such Vicious Lies that Have Consequences.

But lore that excites parts of the progressive coalition -- and which may be necessary sops to some sectors of the progressive coalition to animate them into voting for an old broke-down white lady they don't even like very much -- gets a total pass.

The media blesses such lies with silence, tacitly approving of the lie.

There were no fact-checkers on the DNC Tragedy Pageant.

And note that cops are being assasinated in the street -- this is no "lore," cops are being killed on the street in 2016 at a rate far exceeding that seen in 2015.

And this is all based partly on the #FakeNews that Michael Brown himself was assassinated by cop.

Fake news has consequences, Media -- or do those consequences not matter when they are visited upon people outside of the progressive coalition?

The SPLC, recently cited all over the media as an objective resource for cataloguing hate, refused to report the 2,000 teached reports on whites being harassed due to election anger, because that fact was inconvenient to the narrative it wanted to push that minorities were being targeted.

The SPLC put the Family Research Council on its "hate organization" list, claiming they "hated gays." This claim -- more #FakeNews -- sent a shooter to the Family Research Council's door -- the shooter shot (but did not kill) a guard.

#FakeNews has consequences, Media. Or do those consequences not matter when they are visited upon people who disagree with you politically?

Shockingly, the media actually had on the disgraced High Priest of Fake News -- Dan Rather himself -- as an expert voice to explain how terrible other people's fake news is.

There's a still cherished bit of progressive lore (total bullshit, I mean) -- that Jared Loughner was "inspired" by Sarah Palin's rhetoric, and went out to kill Gabby Giffords because he'd heard Sarah Palin say "Don't retreat-- RELOAD!" or saw some bullseyes on a map showing which House seats in swing districts she thought Republicans should "target."

This is false. Jared Loughner was a psychotic with no known sympaties for Palin or the GOP or the Tea Party; his chief obsession was, if you remember, his idea that the syntax of language was some kind of means to control people's minds. Apparently he had tried to get Giffords to investigate this Conspiracy of English Syntax and she had passed, and that -- and not any ideas about the 10th Amendment -- is what motivated his shooting spree.

Amazing, the Washington Post, in decrying "Fake News," uses this Fake News lore -- that Palin's words caused Laughner's shooting -- as an example of Fake News having real-world consequences.

In a post which itself denounces false political lore, the Washington Post goes right back to the well and spreads false progressive political lore.

I mean, everyone knows it was Sarah Palin's hateful rhetoric that set Jared Loughner off. Citation: something my buddy told me some time when he was toking on some kind bud.

This is why conservatives hate the media: The media only notices right-wing misbehavior. If their political correligionists are spreading some Fake News themselves, some false political lore, the media is very understanding. After all, if Hillary Clinton had excluded Michael Brown's mother from falsely conveying the notion that her son was gunned down by a cop assassin, it would have conflicted with Black Lives Matter's narrative. And if she contradicted Black Lives Matter's narrative, that might have depressed black turnout and hurt her chances of winning an election.

So, you know: It's perfectly understandable and excusable that she helped package and spread some #FakeNews.

Where did the people online spreading the sorts of "Fake News" stories the media hates learn how to do this, I wonder?

Maybe they've seen the media making up stories and repeating them until "everyone knows" something that's flatly false and swinging elections thanks to those lies.

Maybe they've decided that if it works for the Democrat-Media Complex, it can work for their own purposes.

If the media wants to stop political lore from spreading, they can lead by example and stop spreading leftwing political lore themselves, and, get this, being as eager to run "Fact Checks" on leftwing political lore as they are to run days and days of stories on the Perils of PizzaGate.

But of course they don't want to stop leftists from spreading political lore, and they certainly don't want to end their own addiction to passing off their political lore as "facts" that "everyone knows."

And they will continue to wonder -- why don't people trust us?

Why do people listen to people with no track record at all in journalism on such matters?

Here are the answers to both questions:

They don't trust you because they've seen you lie repeatedly, then double down on those lies. (Check your own archives for how often you "debunked" "Republican claims" that Obamacare would cause premiums to rise, or strip people of their current doctors.)

And they trust people with no track record at all because while you have a track record, that track record is full of lies and fabrications.

Between someone who you've never heard of -- and thus has never lied to you before -- and someone who's consistently lied to you, then got arrogantly angry about why you doubt their new series of lies, people are going to trust the person they don't know for a fact to be serial liar and fabricator.

Clean up your own acts before you presume to criticize others.

No one wants to hear a pasty priest lecture about chastity and devotion when he still smells of the whorehouse and we all know he's going right back to the whorehouse the moment the pews are empty.

Go fuck yourselves in your rotten, lying heart with a knife, Media.

* An Oklahoma source tells me literally every non-Indian in Oklahoma believes that they have an Indian or two in their ancestry. It's just common Oklahoma lore.

That doesn't excuse Elizabeth Warren -- you don't represent yourself as a minority professor based on family lore that everyone in Oklahoma believes about their own family.


** I've deleted a few sentences about the inadequacy of the "evidence" I've seen for "PizzaGate" for two reasons: 1, it seems to attracting a lot more attention that I wanted it to, and I don't want people yapping about this other matter when I wrote a post about the thing I actually wanted to talk about, and 2, from what I learned from the Media, you're not supposed to call bullshit on your own side's factually-dubious Political Lore, in the interests of party unity and electing people of the party you favor.

So I'll follow the media's example here and just ignore what I think are unfounded claims being made by my political coreligionists. I'll just focus on the other side's political lore.

Posted by: Ace at 05:45 PM




Comments

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1 My god -

It's Full of words!

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 05:42 PM (c8Ctg)

2 >>So, in short: go fuck yourselves in the heart with a knife, media.


I read that part.

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 05:43 PM (c8Ctg)

3 Data's brother.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2016 05:44 PM (IqV8l)

4 In the midnight hour, I cried lore, lore, lore.

Posted by: Zombie Gentle Giant at December 07, 2016 05:46 PM (Tyii7)

5 Pants down, let's poop.

Posted by: Zombie Gentle Giant at December 07, 2016 05:47 PM (Tyii7)

6 I thought they found Mikey's naked body in the Desert outside of Searchlight Nevada?

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 05:47 PM (c8Ctg)

7 Sally Kohn with hands held high.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2016 05:47 PM (IqV8l)

8 And they will continue to wonder -- why don't people trust us?

I wouldn't be too sure about that, most everyone in Fuckedupistan believes them.

Posted by: kallisto at December 07, 2016 05:48 PM (jkmtt)

9 Castro wasn't all bad. Soledad O'Brien told me so.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 05:48 PM (/tuJf)

10 I will NOT BE WILLOWED!!!

325 2 Well Madonna did say she would give oral sex to everyone who voted for Hillary... at 55 million voters, her sex life will be down 50% this year...
Posted by: phreshone at December 07, 2016 04:42 PM (DpOmP)

Has she already worked her way through all the NBA teams?
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 07, 2016 05:42 PM (+lVUW)


Point of order: Madonna's offer was contingent on Hillary winning. Since this condition did not obtain, Madonna is not obligated to distribute her favors.

This is also true of those two pr0n actresses who, unlike the aging chanteuse Madonna, were apparently quite serious about keeping their promise.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 07, 2016 05:48 PM (n8tHU)

11 Everyone knows if you have sex with the woman on top you can't get pregnant.



I was once doing this German chick doggy style. I asked her to rate me as I went to pound town. She started yelling, "nein, nein, nein!"

I thought to my self, "good enough!"

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2016 05:49 PM (784ZQ)

12 Lore is the opposite of hire. That's obvious.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at December 07, 2016 05:49 PM (CPk08)

13 Ace the problem with Pizzagate isn't that its certain what's going on. Its that its certain something is going on that is truly disturbing.

The fact that you can find stupid crap like the lame "look they have a symmetrical logo" doesn't mean everything about it is stupid. Rejecting something for its weakest arguments is just a much a fallacy as accepting it for them, if there are other, stronger arguments.

I know its super attractive and more comfortable to jump into the "its all a conspiracy I'm smarter than that" bandwagon, but LIBOR was a conspiracy, until it wasn't. Jornolist was a conspiracy, until it wasn't. Jimmy Saville the kiddy diddler was a conspiracy, until it wasn't. It takes no particularly crazed point of view to read those emails and see something odd is happening and a code is obviously being used. For what? Who knows. It takes no conspiratorial freak to recognize something very odd about that pizza place and its decor. What's going on? Who knows.

But something is off here. And you're in the media "we don't talk about that" camp if you just completely disregard that and mock people who see something.

Is it proof of child molesting Satanists? Nope, nothing like that. But its evidence of something hinky that really needs to be investigated. Something so nasty and wrong that even in emails discussing crazy and illegal crap they were using code words.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 05:49 PM (39g3+)

14 Sometimes I feel,
Sometimes, I feel
Like I've been tied
to the whippin' post
tied, to the whippin' post


Oh, Lore I feel like I'm dyin'!

Posted by: Greg Allman at December 07, 2016 05:49 PM (c8Ctg)

15 I wouldn't be too sure about that, most everyone in Fuckedupistandumbfuckistan believes them.

Posted by: kallisto, with apologies to Kid Rock at December 07, 2016 05:50 PM (jkmtt)

16 Excellent, Ace!


I also like how the MSM regularly declares inconvenient facts - like the PP videos, and Muslims in NYC/NJ area dancing and celebrating openly - as "fake" when these things really happened.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2016 05:50 PM (NOIQH)

17 Lore is kind of communal bullshit -- bullshit about your family legacy (how many people have "family lore" that tells them they're one thirty-second Cherokee, for example*),

Ungh! Not bullshit, paleface.

Posted by: Elizbeth Warren at December 07, 2016 05:51 PM (n8tHU)

18 Geez what a flamenwurfer.... every strawman just went up in enfuego!

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2016 05:51 PM (hTvnI)

19 I don't want them to clean up their own act.

I want "We the People" to clean them up.

Where they spread lies about "hands up, don't shoot", or edited tape to create a "white hispanic" racist, I want them prosecuted for incite to riot.

Where they denied Islamism as the cause of multiple terror attacks, I want them prosecuted for treason.

these are enemies, and need to be treated in that fashion

Posted by: Grad School Fool at December 07, 2016 05:51 PM (swEzU)

20 IRS harassing conservative groups? Totes fake according to the MSM

Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2016 05:51 PM (NOIQH)

21 The Summer of Love.
JFK's Camelot.

Posted by: 13times at December 07, 2016 05:51 PM (WHVu+)

22 CNN's Gallery of Fools. How proud they must all be of that pic.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2016 05:51 PM (8ZskC)

23 I read the WHOLE thing. Every punctuation mark.

I skipped all the words, but damn those were some fabulous punctuation marks!

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2016 05:51 PM (jBuUi)

24 Here's an example of Lore relevant to today: FDR knew about the Pearl Harbor attack beforehand but let it happen to get US into the War.

There is no complaining witness nor dead body in PizzaGate. Until there is, it's a distraction.

There are many other things about to become Lore unless they're disproven in the public domain, else the Ds and The Borg will own the historical narrative.

e.g.There was no illegal voting and Hillary won by 3 million votes fairly.

e.g. Comey stole the election. There was nothing about Hillary worthy of investigation.

These things need to be staked in public.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 07, 2016 05:51 PM (SIY7D)

25 I'd kill for Sally Kohn's shoulders.

Posted by: David Byrne at December 07, 2016 05:52 PM (c8Ctg)

26 So how was the play?

Anyway, am I the only person on the planet not hearing about "fake news" and pizza whatever? Outside of here, I mean...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at December 07, 2016 05:52 PM (C9pBZ)

27

First I'll buy some beads
And then perhaps a leather band
To go around my head
Some feathers and bells
And a book of Indian lore
I will ask the Chamber Of Commerce
How to get to Haight Street
And smoke an awful lot of dope

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2016 05:52 PM (IqV8l)

28 The Summer of Love.

Love is all you need, man.

Posted by: Charles Manson at December 07, 2016 05:52 PM (8ZskC)

29 >>>But something is off here. And you're in the media "we don't talk about that" camp if you just completely disregard that and mock people who see something.

I have not seen a single shred of any evidence whatsoever. I've just seen Beautiful-Mind-style pattern-finding, this symbol looks like a butterfly and someone once said butterflies are symbols of boylove, that kind of crap.

If you have actual evidence, please do tell. I haven't seen a shred of it.

You know what would be helpful in a case about child molestation?

A single victim saying he was molested.

Posted by: ace at December 07, 2016 05:52 PM (8rNrN)

30 THIS PICTURE IS WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN TRUMP COMES TO THROW US IN THE CAMPS!!!

Posted by: The Hysterical Sally Kohn at December 07, 2016 05:52 PM (qJhUV)

31 Hillary and Bill are a real couple. It's just complicated.

You wouldn't understand.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 05:52 PM (/tuJf)

32 You're en fuego today ace.
Great post.

Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 07, 2016 05:52 PM (JUYen)

33

I would like to see every SOTU and National Address from President Trump get uploaded to a video streaming site.

The press freaks out, like a jilted stalker on prom night when they are ignored by the rich and famous.

Not one interview. Not one.

Discipline. And consequences.



Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at December 07, 2016 05:53 PM (zu88C)

34 Stupid, lying fucks they are.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2016 05:53 PM (8ZskC)

35 Looks like those four ladies want to be raped.
See, sex will be better under Trump.
Uh, sorry. Make that three ladies. I have no idea what that thing is second from left.

Posted by: wth at December 07, 2016 05:53 PM (HgMAr)

36 Bush served the troops a FAKE turkey on Thanksgiving in Iraq!!!!!

Bush Sr. had never seen a grocery store scanner before!!!!


MSM lore.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2016 05:55 PM (NOIQH)

37 >> * An Oklahoma source tells me literally every non-
>> Indian in Oklahoma believes that they have an
>> Indian or two in their ancestry. It's just common
>> Oklahoma lore.

You can go back a few generations.

Posted by: Zombie Joseph 'Jocko' Clark, Adm (USN) Ret at December 07, 2016 05:55 PM (TppKb)

38 All I wanted waz a bag of Skittles. Wait, what?

Posted by: Zombie Gentle Giant at December 07, 2016 05:55 PM (Tyii7)

39
I can't name one person in that picture.


Are they famous?

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at December 07, 2016 05:55 PM (zu88C)

40 willowed on the last thread:
Have sex with your husband. Whenever he wants (barring illness, etc). And only your husband. After you're married---

LOL.... someone is unclear on the concept.

what food kills a woman's sex drive?

wedding cake.

why is the bride always smiling?

she knows she's given her last blow j*b.

why do women close their eyes during sex?

they can't stand to see their man enjoying himself...

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 07, 2016 05:53 PM (i8bpR)

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 07, 2016 05:55 PM (i8bpR)

41 "The press freaks out, like a jilted stalker on prom night when they are ignored by the rich and famous.

Not one interview. Not one. "

Pull their press passes; arrest them for trespassing if they keep showing up

Posted by: Grad School Fool at December 07, 2016 05:56 PM (swEzU)

42 Fake news has real consequences.
I remember a few years back that a certain asshole talk show host, I think his initials are Alex Jones, he did a show about how the Bohemian club guys were roasting babies on a spit.
So, some extremely dim witted veteran from Texas makes the trip up to the grove, heavily armed, ready to kill him some bohemians.
And he did just that, only thing was he did it in the middle of winter and nobody was there but some maintenance staff, whom he took some shots at.
At his trial, he was completely unrepentant.

Posted by: navybrat at December 07, 2016 05:56 PM (w7KSn)

43 Oh, and for the record, whenever any leftist or "evidence based" conversation gets going, I simply bring up the GWB plastic turkey bit.

It's a matter of faith to the American left that said bird was plastic...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at December 07, 2016 05:56 PM (C9pBZ)

44 >>I can't name one person in that picture.

The two in the middle are Sally Kohn and Soledad O'Brien. No idea who the other two are.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 05:56 PM (/tuJf)

45 I think it's more broadly a mid-America thing that everyone is 1/32 Cherokee. My own family says we're about that much Cherokee (although my grandfather's complexion and features make me think it's actually true in our case). Literally everyone in MO, AR, TN, KY, OK etc. "has a Cherokee ancestor."

Which I guess is a bit ironic (or not) considering we live practically alongside the Trail of Tears.

Posted by: T at December 07, 2016 05:56 PM (IKdzI)

46 THIS PICTURE IS WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN TRUMP COMES TO THROW US IN THE CAMPS!!!

Posted by: The Hysterical Sally Kohn at December 07, 2016 05:52 PM (qJhUV)
..........

Don't worry, we'll put you in the LGBT dorm where the sex will be better.

Posted by: wth at December 07, 2016 05:56 PM (HgMAr)

47 gorilla dick jerky!)

Jane, stop this crazy thing.

Posted by: DaveA at December 07, 2016 05:57 PM (8J/Te)

48 You could replace both of the blonds with Megyn clones and no one would notice...

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2016 05:57 PM (hTvnI)

49 I wouldn't be too sure about that, most everyone in Fuckedupistandumbfuckistan believes them.

That's the one.

Posted by: Deplorable 98ZJUSMC at December 07, 2016 05:57 PM (243CP)

50 That was a lot of words. Distill it down for me....was the movie good or not?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 07, 2016 05:57 PM (89UPP)

51 OK, for real, now I have read every word.

Every single thing Ace says is 100% true.

"Clean up your own acts before you presume to criticize others.

...
Go fuck yourselves in your rotten, lying heart with a knife, Media."

Sorry, Ace, they will NEVER stop throwing stones in their glass mansions. That's all they know how to do.

Nor will they EVER release their grip on the MSM. Ever.

The only thing we can do about it is endlessly mock, mock, mock them and ignore them, and present an alternate mediascape. Which you are doing.

The NY Times and their ilk will always be liberal. But we can "get rid of" them by making them irrelevant.

They are fighting against this with the "fake news" bullshit, which 50.001% of the population recognizes as another leftist strategy. And all we can do is increase that percentage to 51%, 52%, etc.

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2016 05:57 PM (jBuUi)

52 Ugh. Unitalic.

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2016 05:57 PM (jBuUi)

53

Pizzagate may not be true, but there is some weird shit going on with those Podesta guys.

The art in that dude's house is so fucked up.

We all know that weasels in power (Bill Clinton) like to abuse those dumber and poorer than them for their gratification...I wouldn't put it past those guys to be into kids.

How many politicians are into kids? Quite a few!

Anyway, remember when NBC blew up that GMC pickup and that lunkhead cromagnon proto-Brain Williams intoned sonorously how evil those truck were?

"In an extraordinary public apology, NBC said Tuesday night that it erred in staging a fiery test crash of a General Motors pickup truck for its "Dateline NBC" news program and agreed to settle a defamation suit filed by the auto maker"

Good times indeed...or those Audi 5000 problems...or those Pinto problems.

They make shit up all the time.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzzy at December 07, 2016 05:57 PM (yORMz)

54 *Ahem*

Posted by: The Barrel at December 07, 2016 05:57 PM (8ZskC)

55 I have not seen a single shred of any evidence whatsoever. I've just seen Beautiful-Mind-style pattern-finding, this symbol looks like a butterfly

In the post you just quoted I specifically mocked that.

I also said "Is it proof of child molesting Satanists? Nope, nothing like that."

There's a distinction here: people who say "I know what is happening and they're diddling kids!!!!"
...and people who say "there's something not right here, and we need to know what."

All I said was, if you read the emails you can tell something is going on here. Nobody uses code in emails they think are completely private while openly discussing the crazy and illegal crap they were because they have nothing to hide. Seriously.

Something is going on here. And you want to just dismiss that? Why?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 05:58 PM (39g3+)

56 >> The two in the middle are Sally Kohn and Soledad
>> O'Brien. No idea who the other two are.

Frankly, I want to do Soledad O'Brien in a rowboat in six inches of water.

Posted by: JEM at December 07, 2016 05:58 PM (TppKb)

57 Zombie to the Barrel.

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 05:58 PM (c8Ctg)

58 Zombie almost ended up in teh Barrel

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2016 05:58 PM (hTvnI)

59 Has John Harwood been fired yet?

Posted by: mrp at December 07, 2016 05:58 PM (JBggj)

60 I remember when the worst thing you could do was fake an orgasm. Now we have fake news, fake black people, fake rape and fake hate crimes. So much fakiness and so little reality. Can't we just be real, people?

Posted by: MemyselfandI at December 07, 2016 05:58 PM (qX6Q9)

61 21 The Summer of Love.
JFK's Camelot.


*groan*
*spit*

Posted by: Deplorable 98ZJUSMC at December 07, 2016 05:59 PM (243CP)

62 I can't believe Right Wingers would believe a former National Security adviser would stick top secret papers down his underwear and socks in an attempt to destroy alleged incriminating evidence. Absurd but what can you expect from nut cases.

Posted by: Bizzaro World Sebastian Melmoth at December 07, 2016 05:59 PM (6iw++)

63 >>So, in short: go fuck yourselves in the heart with a knife, media.





I read that part.

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 05:43 PM (c8Ctg)

That's my favorite part. Nothing like a good Ace rant!

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the DSR at December 07, 2016 05:59 PM (tHwdc)

64 The person, second from the left, is that Milo Kuhn?

Posted by: mrp at December 07, 2016 05:59 PM (JBggj)

65
A single victim saying he was molested.

Posted by: a bound and gagged kid on Pedo Island at December 07, 2016 05:59 PM (zu88C)

66 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at December 07, 2016 06:00 PM (GwIKd)

67 It's like what ABC went with on the evening news last night or the night before, the road rage incident in LA or TX that had the nasty white guy shooting and killing the gentle person of color with his cute Alfalfa hair.

Nothing to do with race, but hey, sure looked like it, didn't it?

These newsroom editors at the national desks, they have a sea of incidents available to them every day, and they pick what to go with.

It's not so much fake as it is a contrived narrative. It's like the man bites dog thing, but for them, it's not that they are going for novelty and action, but for the right is nasty and uncaring.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at December 07, 2016 06:00 PM (U6f54)

68 The trending power behind pizzagate is not its specfic accuracy but the general awareness that the immoral horror has always existed. This fact among the Hollywood and cultural elites is one of the great unsaid truths we curious and dilligent average citizens have long been aware.

Here we all know the Clintons are bloody deep in the pedophilia cesspool with Billy's known 26 trips to Epstein's island for perverts. And Hill's inner circle includes actual d#!#l worshipers, Islamists and many far left Soros groups that have no problem with child rape.

Thusly itis reallt difficult to believe this whole scandal has no substance behind the loud accustations. And simply dismissing the case to the Alt-right outcats in this wider social community is at best mere laziness and more likely fear over how deep it goes in revealing how evil D.C. has devolved. While this case may not bear the fruits of its objectives is just a delay of inevitable discovery.

Posted by: LazzeriScooter at December 07, 2016 06:00 PM (w1EpE)

69 Absurd but what can you expect from nut cases.

Yeah, next they'll be saying the Secretary of State built a server in her bathroom and moved classified documents through it. I mean, what's next, saying the president deliberately sent weapons to drug cartels? Shameless.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:00 PM (39g3+)

70 The one holding up the "I can't breathe" sign is asking to be skull raped.
See? Sex will be better under Trump.

Posted by: wth at December 07, 2016 06:00 PM (HgMAr)

71 >>All I said was, if you read the emails you can tell something is going on here. Nobody uses code in emails they think are completely private while openly discussing the crazy and illegal crap they were because they have nothing to hide. Seriously.

I read the emails. It sounded like people talking about pizza to me.

Who discovered this code by the way?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 06:00 PM (/tuJf)

72 Milo Kohn?

Posted by: mrp at December 07, 2016 06:00 PM (JBggj)

73 Ugh. Unitalic.
Posted by: zombie
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A beautiful save.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2016 06:00 PM (ZO497)

74

OT

Trump makes fake media wear shoe protectors in Trump Tower
https://twitter.com/skjultster/status/806576488782954497/

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at December 07, 2016 06:00 PM (Om16U)

75 <chokes on italics>

Posted by: The Barrel at December 07, 2016 06:01 PM (tHwdc)

76 Pat O'Brien is dead?

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always asks... at December 07, 2016 06:01 PM (Tyii7)

77 I read the emails. It sounded like people talking about pizza to me.

This is why people have a hard time taking you seriously.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:01 PM (39g3+)

78 I remember when the Right nutters tried to spread rumor President Clinton shoved a cigar up an interns whoo ha. Is there any ridiculous story they won't make up?

Posted by: Bizzaro World Sebastian Melmoth at December 07, 2016 06:01 PM (6iw++)

79 So, 42, that's lore or fake news?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at December 07, 2016 06:01 PM (C9pBZ)

80 And all illegal alien minors are valedictorians. Don't forget that one.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2016 06:01 PM (8ZskC)

81 This also comes back to our profoundly uninformed media. People like Ezra Klein saying the Constitution is, like, over 100 years old. They don't know history, they rely on press releases, wikipedia, google, and twitter memes instead of having knowledge of a given topic.

J-school teaches building a narrative, not reporting the facts. They are trained to create lore.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2016 06:01 PM (NOIQH)

82 On family lore about having Cherokee ancestors:

I have a theory that some of that comes from an effort to hide Cherokees during the Trail of Tears. Some Cherokees went into the mountains to hide -- and the locals, not exactly pro-government types, "adopted" them.

My family has such lore -- and I've seen some paperwork claiming my grandmother is a member of the Cherokee nation -- but genetic testing says no.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 07, 2016 06:01 PM (fVubI)

83 Given the awful stuff we know about the Clintons and the assorted detritus surrounding them, why people would scoff at thinking even worse crap is under the surface is beyond me.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:02 PM (39g3+)

84 well that failed


What victims would you expect to come forward ?

Illegal immigrants chained in the back of restaurants?

Because that's most of your sex trafficking labor force.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at December 07, 2016 06:02 PM (zu88C)

85 How did you all read that so fast?

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2016 06:02 PM (5sOEp)

86 While I agree with Ace on the whole James Alefantis's name is an anagram for I love children is French is stoopid, there's lots more smoke when it comes to #pizzagate.

Posted by: Christopher Calandro at December 07, 2016 06:03 PM (JWMml)

87
That's why they're currently in such orgasms over the #PizzaGate shooter. #PizzaGate is obviously bullshit, and --




Look, I don't feel like arguing about this but it is total bullshit.
The "proofs" offered are absurd. The idea that "James Alefantis" means
"I Love Children" in French? Absurd. J'aime les enfants sounds nothing like James Alefantis. Further, James is a real name whose derivation we actually know (it derives from Jacob the Apostle).



Word.


Who wants some pizza and/or pasta?

Posted by: Podesta Bros. at December 07, 2016 06:03 PM (OzJeO)

88 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 05:49 PM (39g3+)

Very well said. I'd add that the normalization of pedophilia to be accepted as art, religion, or tolerated as a disease IS The real story. The direction our culture is headed is the story because children will be harmed if it continues.

Once our culture and Western Civilization crosses that line, we are toast.

I'll leave it at that.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 06:03 PM (Dj5/i)

89 That picture is priceless. Typical limo liberal stuff. Sit at your desk in a comfy studio exhibiting a useless gesture.

The earnestness on display there smells like ass crack.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 07, 2016 06:03 PM (4ErVI)

90 >>How did you all read that so fast?


THREADWINNER!

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 06:03 PM (c8Ctg)

91 Michelle Obama is accomplished, stylish, beautiful, and in no way resembles a wookie.

Posted by: Master Trolling Lore at December 07, 2016 06:03 PM (xbLUU)

92 13 Ace the problem with Pizzagate isn't that its certain what's going on. Its that its certain something is going on that is truly disturbing.

--

Rep Steven Smith has asked the media, like the NYT, why don't they investigate basic stuff? Like why not ask Podesta what the strange references to pizza in the emails really refers to.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at December 07, 2016 06:03 PM (Om16U)

93 Remember when NBC couldn't get the Chevy truck to explode so they put a lit flare in the gas tank?

Posted by: Yo! at December 07, 2016 06:03 PM (GwIKd)

94 >>This is why people have a hard time taking you seriously.

Right back at ya.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 06:03 PM (/tuJf)

95 I have some Cherokee ancestors...They lived outside Warsaw Poland but then their names were Cherokestein but they changed it when they moved to the US. Go figure

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2016 06:03 PM (dELE3)

96 How did you all read that so fast?


Platinum members get private access to a one-sentence Executive Summary.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2016 06:04 PM (8ZskC)

97 Let's talk about what this really is -- lore.


Let's not...

Posted by: Lt. Cmdr. Data at December 07, 2016 06:04 PM (OzJeO)

98 More Lore:

Totes, you guys, money for a recount will swing this election thingy back to Hilary.

Or,

Electors for Kasich!!

Posted by: Librtyslight at December 07, 2016 06:04 PM (Hh/BD)

99 >> My family has such lore -- and I've seen some
>> paperwork claiming my grandmother is a member of
>> the Cherokee nation -- but genetic testing says no.

Oh, you don't need to say anything about that, we need heap big Injun faculty.

Posted by: Harvard, the big teepee of teach at December 07, 2016 06:04 PM (TppKb)

100 I never did get the "pizzagate" thing...

Posted by: deplorable donna at December 07, 2016 06:05 PM (O2RFr)

101
Obama was the best president ever. He was so good no one dared speak ill of him. Except racists.

Best president ever.


#LoreEnforcement

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at December 07, 2016 06:05 PM (zu88C)

102 "Something is going on here. And you want to just dismiss that? Why?"

Pizzagate sounds like a a new season on HBO'S True Detective. The Yellow King returns and he's John Podesta.

There are plenty of things about the likes of Podesta, for openers, hiding in plain view. But no major US media outlet does any investigative journalism.

I can tell you most of what Fox TV will cover on any given night because you can find it on places like Drudge earlier the same day.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 07, 2016 06:06 PM (SIY7D)

103 lore
noun

1. a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth.


2. Data's brother.

Posted by: Noonien Soong at December 07, 2016 06:06 PM (DMUuz)

104 That thing about jerking a gorilla is totally true, btw. Can't get pregnant.

Posted by: lauraw at December 07, 2016 06:06 PM (K/zYU)

105 If We strike down Obamacare 36 thousand people will die a year!

Posted by: deplorable donna at December 07, 2016 06:06 PM (O2RFr)

106 >>>There's a distinction here: people who say "I know what is happening and they're diddling kids!!!!"
...and people who say "there's something not right here, and we need to know what."

All I said was, if you read the emails you can tell something is going on here. Nobody uses code in emails they think are completely private while openly discussing the crazy and illegal crap they were because they have nothing to hide. Seriously.

Something is going on here. And you want to just dismiss that? Why?

...

i have written texts and emails discussing pizza and steak and those words were code for "pizza" and "steak," respectively.

Posted by: ace at December 07, 2016 06:06 PM (8rNrN)

107 While I agree with Ace on the whole James Alefantis's name is an anagram for I love children is French is stoopid, there's lots more smoke when it comes to #pizzagate.

Yeah, there's so much stupid and crazy being thrown around its hard to dig through but once you get past that... there's something there. Enough to not be worth just dismissing and sneering at.

Every story like this is surrounded by stupid crap. The Bill Clinton banging Monica with a cigar had all kinds of dumb junk surrounding that people said, rumors, silly things mentioned on Savage's idiot radio show, etc. But under it all... some of it was real.

That's my problem with "fake news," it dilutes the truth. For days after the election, people were passing around some nonsense about how Trump had officially won the popular vote with an image somebody whipped up. I am certain that he came close if not actually won if you get rid of all the fraud but there was never any official count that put him close to winning. That stuff hurts the truth.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:07 PM (39g3+)

108 I thought Lore was Data's brother. The evil one, of course.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2016 06:07 PM (KinVZ)

109 I recently sent a coded message to someone about "Tacos." Unfortunately, he misunderstood me, and we actually wound up having tacos, instead of what I really wanted, which was Thai Tranny Sheboys.

Posted by: ace at December 07, 2016 06:07 PM (8rNrN)

110 Soledad used to be hot (mostly because she looked like she did buttsecks), but now she's giving Amy Shumer a run for the bacon.

Posted by: jwpaine at December 07, 2016 06:07 PM (hoJm7)

111 >>>gorilla dick jerky!

Me likey!

Posted by: Zombie Harambe at December 07, 2016 06:07 PM (EUMr7)

112 Boob belts are in fashion.

Posted by: Master Trolling Lore at December 07, 2016 06:07 PM (xbLUU)

113 Fuck the shoe rubbers. I wouldn't let the fake media in Trump Tower.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 07, 2016 06:07 PM (89T5c)

114 C'mon Ace...'Deep Dish'.

You are from the East Coast and you were talking about 'Deep Dish'?

I'm not buying it.

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 06:07 PM (c8Ctg)

115 >> I never did get the "pizzagate" thing...

Supposedly lots of big-name Democrat machers have been doing things with the youth of America.

If it weren't for the fact that the past year, or so, has been the validation of the weirdest shit imaginable, I'd rule it out.

Still, I'd put the odds of real provenance at thinner than a slice of ham in the low-cal pack.

Posted by: JEM at December 07, 2016 06:08 PM (TppKb)

116 i have written texts and emails discussing pizza and steak and those words were code for "pizza" and "steak," respectively.

Uh uh. And did you write an email about how you can come over for pizza, then have dinner? Because Podesta did.

But hey, Jackstraw says that's just dinner twice in a row, there's no code there at all!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:08 PM (39g3+)

117 Donald Trump through General Flynn's son off the transition team today for retweeting a pizzagate tweet.

Obviously, he's down with it.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 06:08 PM (/tuJf)

118 i have written texts and emails discussing pizza and steak and those words were code for "pizza" and "steak," respectively.

Posted by: ace at December 07, 2016 06:06 PM (8rNrN)



Ditto. When my emails say "gin" they mean "more gin."

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary! 2016, Who Will Never Be President of the United States at December 07, 2016 06:08 PM (8ZskC)

119 The two in the middle are Sally Kohn and Soledad O'Brien. No idea who the other two are.
...........

The Real Orange Housewives... it's a new hit show.

Posted by: wth at December 07, 2016 06:08 PM (HgMAr)

120 I don't pretend to know the real story of Obama's birth but I do have enough information to know that we've been lied to repeatedly. Whether it's an attempt to cover something up or the Left just screwing their opponents around to make them look crazy, I couldn't say for sure.

Posted by: Bizzaro World Sebastian Melmoth at December 07, 2016 06:08 PM (6iw++)

121 >>>Yeah, there's so much stupid and crazy being thrown around its hard to dig through but once you get past that... there's something there. Enough to not be worth just dismissing and sneering at.


just curious: Would you generally insist upon actual evidence of wrongdoing for yourself before thousands of people accused you of heinous crimes on the internet?

Or would you be cool with the standard you think is cool here: "Christopher R. Taylor seems 'hinky.' I'm not saying he's a Serbian War Criminal; I'm just saying shit needs to be investigated."

Posted by: ace at December 07, 2016 06:08 PM (8rNrN)

122 I heard the GAINZZZZ thread was about killing and fucking hobos. Just substitute "hobo killing" for GAINZZZZ and "wearing my victims skin like a mask" for "squats".
Why doesn't anyone want to discuss this??

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 07, 2016 06:09 PM (T5Wyx)

123 Have I had a little Injun in me? mmmm

Posted by: Lena Dunham at December 07, 2016 06:09 PM (IX3G/)

124 I like "capers." Especially when I have "salmon."

Heh.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2016 06:09 PM (8ZskC)

125 >>But hey, Jackstraw says that's just dinner twice in a row, there's no code there at all!

I'll say what I have said all along. Show me some proof. You've had 4chan and reddit and other internet sleuths who ferreted out the birther crap, so show one tiny bit of proof.

Otherwise it's just internet nonsense.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 06:10 PM (/tuJf)

126 "Is our children learning?" is a totes accurate W. quote, according to left wing lore, only W. never actually said it.

He was talking about some education program, and he wanted to know how effective it was. So he said:

"Is-" (and then he paused, and then he rephrased)

"-Are children learning?"

And somehow this got conflated to "Is our children learning?"

Because Bush is dumb.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 07, 2016 06:10 PM (n8tHU)

127 No Cherokee lineage in my family lore.
But, I was told by my siblings one evening that I wasn't really their little brother - I was an ugly accident, and Mom switched me with a cuter Cuban baby in the hospital.

When I asked Mom, she reassured me that I was not an accident - I was a pleasant surprise.
Never got a good answer about being switched at birth...

Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 07, 2016 06:10 PM (JUYen)

128 Children dont talk about being Molested BECAUSE OF FEAR AND SHAME.

Guess why no children speak out. Because they are children.

This is not rocket science especially if you have Children of your own.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 06:10 PM (Dj5/i)

129 I've got a mattress I can take to your tepee.

Posted by: Emma Sulkowicz at December 07, 2016 06:10 PM (IX3G/)

130 I don't doubt there's some people servicing rich, connected perverts' desire for child sex slaves, but I need more evidence than talking about pizza with a PIZZA RESTAURANT OWNER before pinning the child sex ring on him.

Posted by: ace at December 07, 2016 06:10 PM (8rNrN)

131 >> Or would you be cool with the standard you think is
>> cool here: "Christopher R. Taylor seems 'hinky.' I'm
>> not saying he's a Serbian War Criminal; I'm just
>> saying shit needs to be investigated."

You mean the part where he ends up locked away in the Hague for three years?

Maybe we can all get the EU to pay for our meals...

Posted by: JEM at December 07, 2016 06:11 PM (TppKb)

132 100 I never did get the "pizzagate" thing...



Child porn ring.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2016 06:11 PM (784ZQ)

133 can we talk about Peter Lore here?

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 07, 2016 06:11 PM (i8bpR)

134 #77 (In future please provide a post number to the troll)

If it was a chinese take out menu, it is clear they only ordered appetizers, with Christian names. In a pizza menu ..... must be the most original pizza ever!!

Posted by: Jack at December 07, 2016 06:11 PM (YX9fV)

135 >>I'd add that the normalization of pedophilia to be accepted as art,
religion, or tolerated as a disease IS The real story. The direction our
culture is headed is the story because children will be harmed if it
continues.


Amen.

I am tired of the MSM telling me deviance is normal, and normal is unacceptable.

I don't know if the Podesta bros. are pedophiles - just know that there are creepy dudes. The Clintons are creepy and they have always surrounded themselves with a lot of other creeps like the Podestas, Huma and Weiner, David Brock, etc..

Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2016 06:11 PM (NOIQH)

136 Barack Obama, the smartest man ever to become president, works on New York Times crossword puzzles and nuclear bomb placement logic games in between blowing Reggie and being disappointed in the American citizenry.

Posted by: Master Trolling Lore at December 07, 2016 06:11 PM (xbLUU)

137 >>Uh uh. And did you write an email about how you can come over for pizza, then have dinner?


So, Pizza means bong rips?

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 06:11 PM (c8Ctg)

138

Bravo bravo Ace


I could pull quotes and from BLM and white supremicist Richard Spencer

And you wouldnt be able to see any difference

Yet the media excuses and applauds the racism of BLM. They pretend they are different

Posted by: ThunderB at December 07, 2016 06:12 PM (HeqT8)

139 Typical limo liberal stuff. Sit at your desk in a comfy studio exhibiting a useless gesture.
The earnestness on display there smells like ass crack.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 07, 2016 06:03 PM


Say what?

Posted by: Josh at December 07, 2016 06:12 PM (DMUuz)

140 There is no complaining witness nor dead body in PizzaGate. Until there is, it's a distraction.
============================


I'm foaming at the mouth here. Literally the hairs on the back of my head are standing.. Up / I can hardly type this.


ARE YOU SERIEOUS? You want a 5 year old dead body?!?!?!?

Posted by: grammie winger - Let Every Heart Prepare Him Room at December 07, 2016 06:12 PM (dFi94)

141 just curious: Would you generally insist upon actual evidence of wrongdoing for yourself before thousands of people accused you of heinous crimes on the internet?

If I sent out coded emails in the midst of talking about doing a ton of other shady and outrageous crap? I'd think people had evidence of something. I'm just crazy like that.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:12 PM (39g3+)

142
And somehow this got conflated to "Is our children learning?"

Because Bush is dumb.
Posted by: OregonMuse,
------------

See also:
"I can see Russia from my house!"

Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 07, 2016 06:12 PM (JUYen)

143 Ny Times is pushing the story Watch out for a Muslim holocaust her now Trump is going to be President.

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2016 06:12 PM (5sOEp)

144 So, Pizza means bong rips?

Yeah, maybe. Or maybe it means bribes. Or maybe it means watching hilarious cat videos.

But what it doesn't mean is "pizza."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:13 PM (39g3+)

145 "I have not seen a single shred of any evidence whatsoever. I've just seen Beautiful-Mind-style pattern-finding, this symbol looks like a butterfly and someone once said butterflies are symbols of boylove, that kind of crap. "

This. I see "experts" coming out of nowhere claiming all sorts of Secret Knowledge. "This is a symbol pedophiles use to identify each other" -- OK, show instances of it being used. It should show up in court cases, if nothing else, and not *all* the evidence will be sealed -- anything that can serve as a public signal can be left in the court record unsealed.

"These code words mean sex with kids!" -- prove it. Again, court records would be acceptable.

I suspect some of this is lingering effects of the "Satanic Abuse" lunacy from the 80's and 90's. I think people who honestly bought into that crap are connecting dots -- but the dots aren't even from the same puzzle book.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 07, 2016 06:13 PM (fVubI)

146 More Leftist Lore

1) Make the world safe for democracy
2) Police Action in Korea
3) The Gulf of Tonkin Incident
4) Kill Qaddafi, Free Libya!
5) Let's start a civil war in Syria

Leftist lore has been getting Americans killed since 1917.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 07, 2016 06:13 PM (ej1L0)

147 What am I? Chopped liver?

Posted by: Real News at December 07, 2016 06:13 PM (IX3G/)

148 >>>126 "Is our children learning?" is a totes accurate W. quote, according to left wing lore, only W. never actually said it.

He was talking about some education program, and he wanted to know how effective it was. So he said:

"Is-" (and then he paused, and then he rephrased)

"-Are children learning?"

And somehow this got conflated to "Is our children learning?"

Because Bush is dumb.


...

i was going to mention that one but there are so many to choose from.

MSNBC clipping out the BLACK carrier of a weapon to illustrate its white-people-carrying-guns-at-protests narratives?

Too many to choose from!

Posted by: ace at December 07, 2016 06:13 PM (8rNrN)

149 Children dont talk about being Molested BECAUSE OF FEAR AND SHAME.

In my case it was fear of being killed. Because when the perp told me he'd kill me if I ratted him out, I definitely believed him. After what he'd just done to me, I had no doubt he was capable of killing me.

Posted by: kallisto at December 07, 2016 06:13 PM (nNdYv)

150 Since there are no children on the record speaking out in detail about being Molested by adults then IT NEVER HAPPENED. NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 06:14 PM (Dj5/i)

151 >> "I can see Russia from my house!"

"I can see Russia from my house because I'm sitting on John Podesta's fifteen-foot boner!"

- Pizzagate victim

Posted by: JEM at December 07, 2016 06:14 PM (TppKb)

152 Ace there's a Brit vegan (!) chick with a sexy voice who does a good, low-key presentation that's worth watching. Search for "Pizzagate what we know so far" on you tube.
I think her nic is Reality Calls.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at December 07, 2016 06:14 PM (Om16U)

153 The most damning pizzagate email I saw waste weird pool party thing that detailed the ages of the kids that would "definitely" be attending.

Seems a very odd thing to email a 50 y/o man about.

And the Comet people seem to like sex related pizza jokes. That's not evidence of anything but the fact that they're obnoxious but it's a bit irritating that they're painted as family friendly Good Guys tm when they're party hacks not innocent virgins.

Posted by: Lauren at December 07, 2016 06:14 PM (YMxoE)

154 Especially when I have "salmon."



Heh.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2016 06:09 PM


Heh, indeed.

Posted by: Ella at December 07, 2016 06:14 PM (DMUuz)

155 Podesta should be investigated simply because he looks and acts like a worm, in my opinion.

Ace, fantastic post. Again.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 07, 2016 06:14 PM (CFc5L)

156 >>>So, Pizza means bong rips?

Yeah, maybe. Or maybe it means bribes. Or maybe it means watching hilarious cat videos.

But what it doesn't mean is "pizza."

...

maybe it means "we'll pick you up at your shop, have a slice, then get real dinner."

We've got a lot of choices here before we seize upon "Child Slave Sex Ring."

Posted by: ace at December 07, 2016 06:14 PM (8rNrN)

157 OT: Have you guys had good luck with gorilla dick jerky?

Asking for a friend...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2016 06:15 PM (cJrMO)

158

People finding subtext like they are living in The DiVinci Code or something

Posted by: ThunderB at December 07, 2016 06:15 PM (HeqT8)

159 Loli Haet Pizza

Posted by: Old School /b/-tard Meme at December 07, 2016 06:15 PM (OzJeO)

160 If we would have stayed out of WW1, the war would have lasted longer....and possibly killed Adolph.

No good deed goes unpunished.

Posted by: torabora at December 07, 2016 06:15 PM (IX3G/)

161 >ARE YOU SERIEOUS? You want a 5 year old dead >body?!?!?!?

Well, as a forensic matter, a fresher one would be preferable.

Posted by: Sausage McMuffin at December 07, 2016 06:15 PM (T9DQN)

162 >>But what it doesn't mean is "pizza."


Or, it does.

I have gone out for a slice before dinner.

On my way to dinner, in fact.
And on my way back.

Who the fuck takes a guy out for Afghani Food?

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 06:16 PM (c8Ctg)

163 So exactly when should Penn State have known about Sandusky? Only after the shower report to Paterno?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 07, 2016 06:16 PM (6iw++)

164 Solzhenitsyn wrote that the problem with propaganda was that after awhile, people would jump on anything that was not an obvious State Sanctioned Lie, but without the ability to discern whether it was actually true.

Posted by: sunny-dee at December 07, 2016 06:16 PM (QAOZh)

165 This thread has been enlightening, but I'm taking my kids out for pizza.


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:17 PM (EUMr7)

166 I still don't know what pizza gate is/was.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at December 07, 2016 06:17 PM (CNHr1)

167 We have stupid sex jokes. Constantly. Screen doors. Boners. Doesnt mean its literal

Posted by: ThunderB at December 07, 2016 06:17 PM (HeqT8)

168
Podesta should be investigated simply because he looks and acts like a worm, in my opinion.

That's a slimy slope.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2016 06:17 PM (IqV8l)

169 which was Thai Tranny Sheboys.

I don't think those will fit in the Messenger bag.

Posted by: DaveA at December 07, 2016 06:17 PM (8J/Te)

170 >>Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:17 PM (EUMr7)


Awesome.

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 06:17 PM (c8Ctg)

171 I saw Lore open for Data on Omicron Theta.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 07, 2016 06:17 PM (S2VsH)

172 >>>Well, as a forensic matter, a fresher one would be preferable.

Fresh, frozen..... It's pizza.....

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:17 PM (EUMr7)

173 Just to be clear, I think the pizza story is a rabbit hole that doesn't have a starting place for an investigation.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 07, 2016 06:17 PM (6iw++)

174 maybe it means "we'll pick you up at your shop, have a slice, then get real dinner."

Except in the context its "I'll come over, we'll have pizza, then we'll have dinner" which is just not reasonable read straight. And that's just one example from the emails, of several very oddly worded things involving terms that are clearly code for something else.

We've got a lot of choices here before we seize upon "Child Slave Sex Ring."

Again with the pedophilia, where did I say it was that? Come on, man, you're getting straw everywhere. There's enough there to go "wow, something is up."

And hence, no reason to mock and attack people for saying "wow, something is up."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:17 PM (39g3+)

175
* An Oklahoma source tells me literally every non-Indian in Oklahoma believes that they have an Indian or two in their ancestry. It's just common Oklahoma lore.

That doesn't excuse Elizabeth Warren -- you don't represent yourself as a minority professor based on family lore that everyone in Oklahoma believes about their own family.









About the time the Lieawatha story was first making the rounds, in either a totally unrelated coincidence or some deviously sly programming, CSPAN had an author interviewed who had written extensively on 19th century Oklahoma and the Cherokee. A big part of the interview was about how the Cherokee Nation was among the most documented (rather than the more common oral tradition).....which meant that it was actually EASIER to claim membership in the Cherokee than in any other tribe, because it was easier to forge a piece of paper than to convince some random Injuns to testify that you were a member of the tribe.

And a huge number of white settlers and scam artists used this fact to scoop up thousands of acres of land that had been set aside in OK for the Cherokee, IF they could prove Cherokee lineage.

At the time, I couldn't help thinking that Warren's "Oklahoma Cherokee" ancestors were likely some of those land-grabbing pasty-white scam artists who stole Injun land.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, it seems.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 07, 2016 06:17 PM (LuZz8)

176 But if we are going to go Podesta conspiracy, I'm partial to the whole "wet work" Scalia movie production thing.

Posted by: Lauren at December 07, 2016 06:17 PM (YMxoE)

177 Interestingly when children do speak up, they are called liars and are destroyed by the media. WHICH IS WHY FEW WILL EVER SPEAK UP.

And the fear of death.

And the shame of being mocked in public.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 06:17 PM (Dj5/i)

178 Many words. Many, many words.

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2016 06:17 PM (Sfs6o)

179 A lot of the "code words" sound like they came from 4chan's /b/.

Of course, they've had, and probably still have, a pedo posting problem over there...

Posted by: Old School /b/-tard Meme at December 07, 2016 06:18 PM (OzJeO)

180 Oh noooos. Not again.

Posted by: The Chicken at December 07, 2016 06:18 PM (IX3G/)

181 Who the fuck takes a guy out for Afghani Food?
Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 06:16 PM (c8Ctg)

There's a pretty good Afghani Restaurant not far from FT Dix in NJ

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2016 06:18 PM (dELE3)

182 In my case it was fear of being killed. Because when
the perp told me he'd kill me if I ratted him out, I definitely
believed him. After what he'd just done to me, I had no doubt he was
capable of killing me.



Posted by: kallisto at December 07, 2016 06:13 PM (nNdYv)
=============================

^^^ THIS^^^ you people living in fairytale world where bad things never happen to children are damn lucky.

Presumption of guilt until investigated and found innocent. I'm sick to death of this shit.





Posted by: grammie winger - Let Every Heart Prepare Him Room at December 07, 2016 06:18 PM (dFi94)

183 167 We have stupid sex jokes. Constantly. Screen doors. Boners. Doesnt mean its literal
Posted by: ThunderB at December 07, 2016 06:17 PM (HeqT



It's not? Cause I'm telling you, Kate Upton? Like a screen door in a hurricane if the opportunity was there.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 07, 2016 06:18 PM (89UPP)

184 Wow, only 44 more days to fail Barack and Michelle.

Time to dig deep. Buckle down and fail them properly before it's too late.

Posted by: Master Trolling Lore at December 07, 2016 06:18 PM (xbLUU)

185 >>I'm foaming at the mouth here. Literally the hairs on the back of my head are standing.. Up / I can hardly type this.


>>ARE YOU SERIEOUS? You want a 5 year old dead body?!?!?!?

I remember back in Massachusetts in the 80' the Amirault family was ruined and thrown in jail for years on the basis of testimony of very young children. Really crazy stuff like sex abuse and shoving a butcher knife into a kids rectum kids with and on and on.

The only thing they didn't have was a shred of proof. Three members of the Amirault family spent many years in jail, long after it was proven to be a farce. It was all totally made up.

So what's the problem with demanding proof before we accuse people of being pedophiles based on some dopey code that as best I can tell was invented on the internet. Or does proof not matter anymore?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 06:18 PM (/tuJf)

186 There's a pretty good Afghani Restaurant not far from FT Dix in NJ

The weird thing is that apparently Ethiopian food is really tasty. This from a country infamous for starvation and poor nutrition.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:19 PM (39g3+)

187 #10 Insiders claim Madonna voted for Trump. She couldn't take that chance.

Posted by: The Chicken at December 07, 2016 06:19 PM (IX3G/)

188 Who discovered this code by the way?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 06:00 PM (/tuJf)


IIRC it was a detective (or lawyer?) named Mike Cernovich who recognized the speech in Podesta's emails as code. He had dealt with drug dealers and recognized code speech. Is he the one who identified the words as pedo words? I don't know.

Talking about this turns my stomach so maybe I'll just quit now.

Posted by: kallisto at December 07, 2016 06:19 PM (nNdYv)

189 >>>Podesta should be investigated simply because he looks and acts like a worm, in my opinion.

As someone who looks and acts like a worm, I find this comment objectionable.

John Podesta should have the shit slapped out of him for being a dick. Different thing.....


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:19 PM (EUMr7)

190 >>
Except in the context its "I'll come over, we'll have pizza, then we'll have dinner" which is just not reasonable read straight.


I'm straight.

I read it.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Maybe the joke is 'Pizza isn't a real meal'...

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 06:20 PM (c8Ctg)

191 Ace -- with the caveat that I'm not convinced about pizzagate, either -- we already know that there really was a child sex slave ring on at least TWO occasions -- Jeff Epstein's sex island and Barney Frank's live-in boyfriend. And the Podesta brothers really are involved in truly sick, blood-drinking Satanist rituals.

And these are things which are real and beyond contestation.

I wouldn't exactly fall on my fainting couch to find out that the blood-drinking Satanists were also pedophiles.

Posted by: sunny-dee at December 07, 2016 06:20 PM (QAOZh)

192 Warren = LoreLoserwoman

Posted by: Guam tipper at December 07, 2016 06:20 PM (/DvFd)

193 Passed a private (wasn't sure till I looked it up when I got home) school that had a sign out front
Extinguish The Hate

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2016 06:20 PM (5sOEp)

194 Who the fuck takes a guy out for Afghani Food?

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 06:16 PM (c8Ctg)
---
Bowe Bergdhal dating Bradley Manning?

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 07, 2016 06:20 PM (i8bpR)

195 >>>There's a pretty good Afghani Restaurant not far from FT Dix in NJ
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2016 06:18 PM (dELE3)

NGU, if you're in Dix need to hit the Village Idiot in Mount Holly.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 07, 2016 06:20 PM (T5Wyx)

196 People finding subtext like they are living in The DiVinci Code or something

Posted by: ThunderB at December 07, 2016 06:15 PM (HeqT
=========================

yeah, well try to live in the real text. Then get back to me.

Posted by: grammie winger - Let Every Heart Prepare Him Room at December 07, 2016 06:21 PM (dFi94)

197 Pedo rings trade pictures like baseball cards. We would see that

Posted by: ThunderB at December 07, 2016 06:21 PM (HeqT8)

198 IIRC it was a detective (or lawyer?) named Mike Cernovich who recognized the speech in Podesta's emails as code. He had dealt with drug dealers and recognized code speech. Is he the one who identified the words as pedo words? I don't know.


CP = Cheese Pizza = Child Porn

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2016 06:21 PM (784ZQ)

199
i have written texts and emails discussing pizza and steak and those words were code for "pizza" and "steak," respectively.

Posted by: ace at December 0

---------

I have a friend who's wife is a little "erratic" to say the least, small things, like us having any fun, set her off.

If you analyzed our texts (she reads his) it looks a very 'hinky'.. So I'm not going to commence the Burning of the Witches just yet.

Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 07, 2016 06:21 PM (Rrcz/)

200 Trump is going to break into your house and eat your birth control pills!!!

Posted by: George Steponamidget at December 07, 2016 06:21 PM (xbLUU)

201 Never ever been scandles involving children. Nope all 50 states DFCS, CPS, and foster care systems are squeaky clean.

And underage prostitution, that has never been a problem. Ignore James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles original ACORN videos where he implies he is pumping out underage girls and the Left covers for them.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 06:21 PM (Dj5/i)

202 Sorry, can we go back to the gorilla dick jerky?

Uh... asking for a friend...

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at December 07, 2016 06:21 PM (M6Zoy)

203 NGU, if you're in Dix need to hit the Village Idiot in Mount Holly.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 07, 2016 06:20 PM (T5Wyx)

Is that a food joint?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2016 06:21 PM (dELE3)

204 >^^^ THIS^^^ you people living in fairytale world where >bad things never happen to children are damn lucky.
>
>Presumption of guilt until investigated and found innocent. >I'm sick to death of this shit.

You might take a deep breath and realize that this is precisely the opposite of the way these things are supposed to work. Of course bad things happen to children entirely too often, but credulity leads to things like the McMartin preschool incident, to which Pizzagate bears more than a passing resemblance.

Posted by: Sausage McMuffin at December 07, 2016 06:22 PM (T9DQN)

205 "ARE YOU SERIEOUS? You want a 5 year old dead body?!?!?!?"

This is an allegation of crime. You investigate crimes when someone complains (can be a witnessing cop) or you have evidence of a crime (a dead body).

There's enough crime and bad stuff that we're not dealing with -- often in plain sight -- that going after things that we're probably making up is a distraction.

Right now Pizzagate appears more speculative than the ritualistic sex crimes at day care centers that created hysteria back in the 1980s.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 07, 2016 06:22 PM (SIY7D)

206 All I know is that Jimmy Saville got away with raping literally thousands of little girls over 50 years of career because any time someone accused him, they were destroyed as being conspiratorial nuts and crazy people. And when for a decade over 1400 children were molested by a Muslim sex ring in England, the cops literally went after people who accused them.

And that's just pedophilia, there are all kinds of godawful things that have happened in the past that were covered up by people in power because they are in power and want to do what they damned well please without anyone stopping them. Graft, embezzlement, bribes, influence peddling, drugs, you name it.

And you know what doesn't help? Mocking people who call foul.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:22 PM (39g3+)

207 >>>Interestingly when children do speak up, they are called liars and are destroyed by the media.

Not always....

Posted by: Grant Snowden at December 07, 2016 06:22 PM (EUMr7)

208 I agree on the Alafantis name thing BUT #pizzagate is not fake until someone tells me:

(1) What "playing dominoes on pasta or cheese" means;
(2) What is a "pizza-related" "map" on a square, checkered handkerchief and how would it get there?;
(3) Why the "fake news" meme started right when #pizzagate broke?

The pedo symbols on the three businesses, Alefantis' creepy "kid friendly" restaurant's close relations to Hillary and WH and monies from Soros, the restaurant's Instagram "chicken lover" and other pedo-type suggestions, etc. ad nauseum aside, would someone please answer these 3 questions, or at least the first 2.

Thanks.

Posted by: oddnot at December 07, 2016 06:22 PM (g1MTt)

209 I just think the Podestas are creepy because of their Spirit Cooking stuff and Tony's creepy art collection. Not illegal, but after being told for years that people like Rick Santorum are supercreepy it is annoying that dabbling in satanic blood rituals for fun with celebrities (and also children present) and having pedo art is A-OK.

As someone said up-thread, with all the stuff that has come out recently, such as a former president being a regular visitor to an island known to have underage sex slaves, I'm left wondering how much some in the MSM know about this type of behavior in DC and why they never manage to cover it.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2016 06:23 PM (NOIQH)

210 What would you call it if you vowed to never again return to the Cincinnati Zoo because of what happened to Harambe?

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2016 06:23 PM (jBuUi)

211 An Ape-re-cott.

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2016 06:23 PM (jBuUi)

212 Wow, Ace....you're really on a roll with this post.

"Go fuck yourselves in your rotten, lying heart with a knife, Media."

I think they now know what you feel about them!

Posted by: Jill v2 at December 07, 2016 06:23 PM (uQc7W)

213 how to increase your sexual potency ([...] gorilla dick jerky!).

Be careful with this one.

Gorilla dick jerky works!

Gorilla jerk dicky leaves you with the sexual potency of a John Wayne Bobbitt.

Posted by: mikeski at December 07, 2016 06:23 PM (lO+tS)

214 CP = Cheese Pizza = Child Porn = Cole Porter = Copper Plating = Corn Pone = Cilantro Peppers

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 06:23 PM (c8Ctg)

215 165 This thread has been enlightening, but I'm taking my kids out for pizza.


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:17 PM (EUMr7)



Don't forget to pay.

Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2016 06:24 PM (z/Ubi)

216 Another excellent post, Ace. Brietbart would be proud.

Posted by: fly gal at December 07, 2016 06:24 PM (ls67k)

217 "IIRC it was a detective (or lawyer?) named Mike Cernovich who recognized the speech in Podesta's emails as code. He had dealt with drug dealers and recognized code speech. Is he the one who identified the words as pedo words? I don't know. "

What are his sources? Does he have documentation behind it?

If you used his code at a NAMBLA gathering, would you be welcomed in, or served pizza?

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 07, 2016 06:24 PM (fVubI)

218 >>Mike Cernovich

Cernovich isn't a lawyer. He's a righter on some far right websites.

He's also said that he has no idea if the whole Comet Pizza thing is involved. In fact, he's said that the evidence is so weak he is not including it as part of his claim of a child sex ring.

His major focus is Denny Hastert who actually is guilty and any connections to him. The sole connection between the two is they both patronize the same, very popular, pizza place in DC.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 06:24 PM (/tuJf)

219 Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 06:18 PM (/tuJf)

The Amirault case should have been investigated if reasonble accusations were made. That the investigators made shit up and forced false testimony doesn't dismiss that. And I agree that at this point, I don't think there is any reasonable accusation to start an official investigation into pizzagate .

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 07, 2016 06:24 PM (6iw++)

220 Well the Pope just compared consuming fake news to coprophagia i.e. eating shit so there's that.

Posted by: kallisto at December 07, 2016 06:24 PM (nNdYv)

221 So what's the problem with demanding proof before we accuse people of being pedophiles based on some dopey code that as best I can tell was invented on the internet. Or does proof not matter anymore?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 06:18 PM (/tuJf)

My God man! Next you'll be wanting your due process, a trail by a jury of your peers, a speedy trial and the right to cross exam witnesses, examine evidence, etc, etc.

That all ended in 2008.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 07, 2016 06:24 PM (ej1L0)

222 not to impugn your sources, but the idea that everyone in oklahoma claims indian ancestry is also folklore, i.e. b.s. there was a time when everyone claimed sooner origin, that their families were among the first to homestead, were comboys, were oil wildcatters, i.e. from a romanticized western cowboy folklore.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 07, 2016 06:24 PM (WTSFk)

223 What would you call your Australian co-worker who helped you remove all the nails from Harambe's enclosure at the Cincinnati Zoo?

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2016 06:24 PM (jBuUi)

224 Your pry-mate.

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2016 06:24 PM (jBuUi)

225 Any thoughts and prayers for the harvested victims of gorilla dick jerky would be appreciated.

Posted by: The Schadenboner at December 07, 2016 06:25 PM (NaN/b)

226 Could the WaPo be any more condescending?

Headline for a story today, "In West Virginia's Coal Country, Voters are 'Thrilled' about Donald Trump"

Note their scare quotes. In their headline. "Thrilled."

I can't even.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at December 07, 2016 06:25 PM (U6f54)

227 If you analyzed our texts (she reads his) it looks a very 'hinky'.. So I'm not going to commence the Burning of the Witches just yet.

Again with the straw man. Just consider the possibility that maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't contemptuously mock people that see fire when they see smoke?

That doesn't mean "lynch them from a lightpost!!!!" it means, maybe there's something there, maybe not, but lets not attack people for wondering?

If I were a cop, or a reporter, I'd be digging. Not furiously, but curiously. Because if nobody is how does anyone expect to find any evidence?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:25 PM (39g3+)

228 Im not saying pedo rings and pedos dont exist. Im saying i havent seen evidence of it here

Posted by: ThunderB at December 07, 2016 06:25 PM (HeqT8)

229 >>>Is that a food joint?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2016 06:21 PM (dELE3)

Brewery but you can bring in pizza from across the street. There's another nice restaurant maybe a block away Robins Nest or something with a side place called Raven something.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 07, 2016 06:25 PM (T5Wyx)

230 "This thread has been enlightening, but I'm taking my kids out for pizza. "

Dude, I'm from Cincinnati. In this town, a day of cornhole and 3-ways for everyone is a day of family fun. It means we spent the day playing a party game built around tossing bags filled with corn, to get them into a hole, and then had spaghetti topped with chili and cheese for dinner.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 07, 2016 06:26 PM (fVubI)

231 They are definately covering up something. With the help of the MSM.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 07, 2016 06:26 PM (89T5c)

232 Pizza means child sex?!!?!?

Fuck!! I'm making LASAGNA tonight!!!!!

But I guess that explains the Frau buying the steel wool and duct tape today.....

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:26 PM (EUMr7)

233 If you cannot bring food into the White House then what is up with the $65,000 dollars worth of pizza and hotdogs for aparty being flown in?

I'll err on the side of protecting children from being abused sexually and rituistially by adults any day and so will 90% of Americans. Once that damage is done to a child it is irreversible.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 06:26 PM (Dj5/i)

234 Rep Steven Smith has asked the media, like the NYT, why don't they investigate basic stuff? Like why not ask Podesta what the strange references to pizza in the emails really refers to.
Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at December 07, 2016 06:03 PM (Om16U)
_____________________

Right. I do not have any idea what is happening. I highly doubt it is a massive international child rape and torture ring. However, at a minimum, I think the mock Satanism, perverse sense of humor, and sick art indicates that these people are gruesomely out of step with normal Americans and terribly hypocritical. Remember, Podesta claims to be a practicing Catholic.

My take: Any journalist who calls Pizzagate "Fake News" or claims it is a debunked conspiracy theory without first asking Podesta to explain the reference to a handkerchief that was a pizza related map is not a journalist but a propagandist.

Posted by: tommylotto at December 07, 2016 06:26 PM (A3a8d)

235 >>>Don't forget to pay.

Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2016 06:24 PM (z/Ubi)

You. Brilliant. Bastard.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:27 PM (EUMr7)

236 Pedo rings trade pictures like baseball cards. We would see that




At this level with these players? Pedo Island ring a bell?
Murders are usually solved also. How many of Hillary's body count has been?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2016 06:27 PM (784ZQ)

237 186 There's a pretty good Afghani Restaurant not far from FT Dix in NJ

The weird thing is that apparently Ethiopian food is really tasty. This from a country infamous for starvation and poor nutrition.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:19 PM (39g3+)



Well when you finally get some you want it to taste good don't you?


And um isn't Ethiopia's starvation problems more of a result of its corrupt government rather than the inability to actually produce food to eat.

Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2016 06:27 PM (z/Ubi)

238 Brewery but you can bring in pizza from across the street. There's another nice restaurant maybe a block away Robins Nest or something with a side place called Raven something.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 07, 2016 06:25 PM (T5Wyx)

Thanks. We have a Detachment down at Dix

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2016 06:27 PM (dELE3)

239 ... of course, everyone may be claiming indian origin now, but not always. and warren's claim of family lore also proved to be made up!

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 07, 2016 06:27 PM (WTSFk)

240 Yikes. This isn't going to end well. Later y'all.

Posted by: Muldoon, private citizen engaging in political satire at December 07, 2016 06:27 PM (wPiJc)

241 >Again with the straw man. Just consider the possibility that >maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't contemptuously mock >

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:25 PM (39g3+)people that see fire when they see smoke?

As someone who thinks Pizzagate is a steaming load of freshly squeezed nonsense, I'll give you this: those emails are weird as f**k. I agree with you that they're almost certainly using a code for *something.* It's just so much of the rest of it is lunacy ... plus, not for nothing, but do we have any proof of those emails' provenance?

Posted by: Sausage McMuffin at December 07, 2016 06:27 PM (T9DQN)

242 RealityCallsV solid-state video I mentioned banned on YouTube
https://twitter.com/RealityCallsV/status/806637912628559872

Let me find a copy

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at December 07, 2016 06:27 PM (Om16U)

243 ... mostly. whatever.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 07, 2016 06:28 PM (WTSFk)

244 This relentless backlash against peaceful Muslim suicide bombers has got to stop now!!!

Posted by: George Steponamidget at December 07, 2016 06:28 PM (xbLUU)

245 >>>All I know is that Jimmy Saville got away with raping literally thousands of little girls over 50 years of career because any time someone accused him

yeah but see victims DID accuse him. You're missing that here.

Posted by: ace at December 07, 2016 06:29 PM (8rNrN)

246 >>>Dude, I'm from Cincinnati. In this town, a day of cornhole and 3-ways for everyone is a day of family fun.

Dayton, here. Same. You should hit the SW Ohio Meetup. Good folks. Except those that make fun of me for almost walking out on my bill....

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:29 PM (EUMr7)

247 "All I know is that Jimmy Saville got away with raping literally
thousands of little girls over 50 years of career because any time
someone accused him, they were destroyed as being conspiratorial nuts
and crazy people. And when for a decade over 1400 children were
molested by a Muslim sex ring in England, the cops literally went after
people who accused them.
"

Roman Polanski still hasn't been jailed for drugging and raping a minor female.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at December 07, 2016 06:29 PM (swEzU)

248 So unless a child of 8 years old is on video testifying about the worst moment in their lives for all the world to see, hear, and judge then pedophilia is fake news and not real.

Unvelivelable.

So having 5 year olds almost naked in bondage pictures is "art".

Got it

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 06:29 PM (Dj5/i)

249 If the zookeepers in Cincinnati arranged for the gorillas to stage a re-enactment of the Passion of the Christ, but for some strange reason Harambe, portraying Judas, refused to keep the coins given to him by Pontius Pilate for betraying Jesus, so the zoo had to alter the name of the production because the plot was no longer the same, what would they change the name to?

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2016 06:29 PM (jBuUi)

250 Silver Back.

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2016 06:29 PM (jBuUi)

251 >>Brewery but you can bring in pizza from across the street.



That's disgusting! The Police know about this?

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 06:29 PM (c8Ctg)

252 I think a lot of the modern incarnation of "Fake News" goes back to the 9-11 truthers. All through the Bush Admin, these guys were coming up with wild theories about how "Bush knew about 9-11 in advance" or "Bush blew up the towers." The DMC pretty much let it slide because it hurt Bush

Posted by: V the K at December 07, 2016 06:30 PM (jn7FC)

253 What Ace is writing about is one of the reasons that, when arguing with progtards, one can present charts and PowerPoint slides and articles written by approved progtard sources, undenibale evidence that they are wrong even though they know so many things, and 3 days later said progtard will go back to the same argument and evidence.
This lore is lore because it is often crucial in order for them to believe the utter bullshit they so ardently and fervently must believe in order to be a good person.

Posted by: Skunky Choom at December 07, 2016 06:30 PM (CbGSW)

254 And um isn't Ethiopia's starvation problems more of a result of its corrupt government rather than the inability to actually produce food to eat.

This is true, and I want to try some to see what its like. I love ethnic food, but usually one step removed. Like, Mexican tacos are okay, but Taco Bell style ones are better. Really authentic Chinese food is usually horrendous and inedible, but American Chinese is really tasty.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:30 PM (39g3+)

255 >>>Silver Back.

Second worst band from Canada.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:30 PM (EUMr7)

256 "Presumption of guilt until investigated and found innocent. I'm sick to death of this shit."

WTF?

No. This is America. No matter how serious the charges, no matter how much we hate the accused, we *have* to hold to innocent until proven guilty. Otherwise we're no different than our enemies.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 07, 2016 06:31 PM (fVubI)

257 Podesta was so careless in his emails he denegrated the bosses daughter, who was in the business. Its wouldn't be so obtuse

Posted by: ThunderB at December 07, 2016 06:31 PM (HeqT8)

258 And somehow this got conflated to "Is our children learning?"



Because Bush is dumb.

If Obama said it, it would be considered soaring oratory.

The thing that always amazed me was how the media considered Bush as a Diabolical Evil Genius Out To Destroy The World and a Semi-Retarded Monkey Boy Who Couldn't Tie His Shoes at the same time.

Posted by: tu3031 at December 07, 2016 06:31 PM (qJhUV)

259 I think this is a copy of Reality Calls vid giving the basic primer about PizzaGate
The chick has a nice voice so it's worth watching regardless, and do it before YouTube takes it down.

https://youtu.be/Z4OP--ZXOjc

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at December 07, 2016 06:31 PM (Om16U)

260 I have no lore. I'm loreless.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2016 06:31 PM (0mRoj)

261 245 >>>All I know is that Jimmy Saville got away with raping literally thousands of little girls over 50 years of career because any time someone accused him

yeah but see victims DID accuse him. You're missing that here.

Ace, this is actually covered -- like all good conspiracy theories, Pizzagate is a neatly closed circle. See, the numbers for missing children in the Virginia area are MUCH higher per capita than they are in the rest of the country, ergo those children have wound up sacrificed on the altar of Moloch built into an unassuming pizzeria.

This is why I can't take it seriously.

Posted by: Sausage McMuffin at December 07, 2016 06:31 PM (T9DQN)

262 245 >>>All I know is that Jimmy Saville got away with raping literally thousands of little girls over 50 years of career because any time someone accused him

yeah but see victims DID accuse him. You're missing that here.

Posted by: ace


I will start to believe Pizzagate the day a single actual flesh-and-blood possible victim is identified. Until then, with just a vague demographic class of victims known as "children," it's based on nothing.

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2016 06:32 PM (jBuUi)

263 Just between us, we are terrified that JEB! will be the Republican nominee. He's too charismatic with polar opposite positions to Hillary -> (treasonous crimes we won't acknowledge this way).

Posted by: George Steponamidget at December 07, 2016 06:32 PM (xbLUU)

264 I have a few modestly interesting anecdotes, but that's about it.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2016 06:32 PM (0mRoj)

265 yeah but see victims DID accuse him. You're missing that here.

Yeah but who covered it in the press and what was the reaction if anyone brought that up? If anyone accused Podesta et al of doing anything how would we know?

I'm not saying anything like that did happen. I'm just saying that a simple rejection and contempt toward people who see a problem is off base, you know?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:32 PM (39g3+)

266 65K

How much do you think it would cost to send AF1 to Westchester County Airport and back?

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 06:32 PM (c8Ctg)

267 >>>That's disgusting! The Police know about this?
Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 06:29 PM (c8Ctg)

Sting yes Andy Summers no Stewart Copeland started it.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 07, 2016 06:32 PM (T5Wyx)

268 >>The Amirault case should have been investigated if reasonble accusations were made. That the investigators made shit up and forced false testimony doesn't dismiss that. And I agree that at this point, I don't think there is any reasonable accusation to start an official investigation into pizzagate .

No, what it means is we are supposed to have due process in this country. The Amiraults were obviously railroaded based solely on crazy testimony of 4 year olds and their SJW parents. Again, there was never a shred of proof. There were no satatnic rituals ever discovered. Nobody caught them doing anything, no doctor's reports ever showed any sexual abuse let alone a butcher's knife inserted in a little kid's rectum.
Those of us watching it roll out daily knew it was garbage. And still they went to jail only to finally being released and cleared after their lives were ruined.


If there is enough evidence to go forward then for about the 100th time, show something. So far, this is nothing more than a conspiracy theory.

There is plenty of reason to think that the Podesta's and the Clintons and the whole crew are slimy creeps but if there is a sex ring operating out of a pizza place in DC for years there should be something.

It doesn't help our cause as being serious about news when we keep hammering something that not one media organization, including FOX, is taking seriously and the police aren't bothering to investigate.

Again, Trump kicked the son of General Flynn off his transition team today for retweeting a Pizzagate tweet. Trump doesn't believe this or wants no part of it. If there is demonstrable proof then I'm all for it.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 06:32 PM (/tuJf)

269 >>> No matter how serious the charges, no matter how much we hate the accused, we *have* to hold to innocent until proven guilty

Unless they're White Nationalists peddling Fake News, in which case we just pillory their asses.

Or a college guy that got a piece from a drunk freshman. Same thing.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:32 PM (EUMr7)

270 I like the description of Lore...

But I categorize things a bit differently....

History, Fact, or Truth, is what happened...

Lore is what MAY have happened...

A Myth never happened, but some people still believe it...

Global Warming is Lore, that turned into Myth... they 94% of scientists crap is MYTH...

The Michael Brown stuff started as Lore... became Myth...

Just like the Greek Gods... started as a religion... became disproven... and thus... Myth...


Daniel Boone.... Lore... still questionable as to what was real...

Some of Davey Crocket is History... some Lore...

Pecos Bill? Myth...

Johnny Appleseed? Lore... may have actually been a person who planted Apple Trees... we really don't know...


The Left constantly pushes Myth as History....

Posted by: Don Q. at December 07, 2016 06:32 PM (qf6WZ)

271
Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 07, 2016 06:26 PM

You get a gold star.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2016 06:32 PM (IqV8l)

272 >>So unless a child of 8 years old is on video testifying about the worst moment in their lives for all the world to see, hear, and judge then pedophilia is fake news and not real.

yeah we usually require at least a victim before we accuse someone of rape

At least the left requires a (lying) accuser before making its made-up rape claims. We seem to be dispensing with that inconvenience -- after all, a dishonest accuser may be proven to be dishonest. Better to have no witness at all, I guess.

Posted by: ace at December 07, 2016 06:33 PM (8rNrN)

273 Isn't LORE aural history which is so revered in Africa?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2016 06:34 PM (IqV8l)

274 >>>Better to have no witness at all, I guess.

Word

Posted by: The Searchlight Strangle at December 07, 2016 06:34 PM (EUMr7)

275 I will start to believe Pizzagate the day a single actual flesh-and-blood possible victim is identified. Until then, with just a vague demographic class of victims known as "children," it's based on nothing.
Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2016 06:32 PM (jBuUi)


Yep.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at December 07, 2016 06:34 PM (CPk08)

276 "The pedo symbols on the three businesses..."

What symbols? Identify their use as "pedo symbols" in other cases. If the instances of their use in innocent contexts out number their use in suspect cases, they're no longer "pedo symbols".

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 07, 2016 06:34 PM (fVubI)

277 273 Isn't LORE aural history which is so revered in Africa?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2016 06:34 PM (IqV8l)

Like if you rape a baby you'll be cured of AIDS?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2016 06:34 PM (0mRoj)

278 All I know is that Jimmy Saville got away with raping literally thousands of little girls over 50 years of career because any time someone accused him
yeah but see victims DID accuse him. You're missing that here.
Posted by: ace at December 07, 2016 06:29 PM (8rNrN)

Jimmy looked the part....you could just look at those bee-dee eyes and know he wasn't right. But it's England, so what do they know.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 07, 2016 06:34 PM (ej1L0)

279 This is what frustrates me when I look into the beliefs of the other side. (I even asked "A liberal AoS reader -- really" for a good website that explained why leftist beliefs are correct.) It turns out the "evidence" that supports their belief system is "Everybody knows that" or "Everybody who's smart/compassionate thinks this way" with no actual supporting data.

Posted by: Emmie at December 07, 2016 06:35 PM (xVuS6)

280 George Will wearing a bow tie tonight.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2016 06:35 PM (IqV8l)

281 We require an accuser and proof before conviction. Nobody here is a court or jury.

All that's required for wondering is something that doesn't feel and seem right. All that's required for an investigation is a hint of something wrong and curiosity. Cops don't need proof to start an investigation, that's why the investigation happens at all: to gather proof.

Looking into this is just common sense, not some crazed conspiracy theory.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:35 PM (39g3+)

282 >>"The pedo symbols on the three businesses..."


Like on Zeppelin IV?

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 06:36 PM (c8Ctg)

283 The Amirault Case was almost exactly the same kind of thing that prompted the Salem Witch Trials, just with a different aggrieved religion this time.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2016 06:36 PM (KinVZ)

284 >>>George Will wearing a bow tie tonight.

Some people can pull that look off. They were all black and white, though.

Posted by: The Searchlight Strangle at December 07, 2016 06:36 PM (EUMr7)

285 Posted by: LazzeriScooter at December 07, 2016 06:00 PM

This^

77 I read the emails. It sounded like people talking about pizza to me.

This is why people have a hard time taking you seriously.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:01 PM

And this^

+++++++

To arrogantly dismiss #pizzagate from what is known is to probably, highly likely and almost definitely enable some very powerful and very sick and/or evil people to do further harm to innocent children.

Sure, it is being crowd-sourced/investigated and some wacky theories have come out, e.g., the one ace seized in his dismissal--Alafantis' name. If you want a semi-decent primer (albeit incomplete) on the entire kerfuffle, click my nick. Snoop around and come back and tell me that there is nothing to worry about, the kids are fine, no dangerous perverts in the Clinton camp.


Posted by: oddnot at December 07, 2016 06:36 PM (g1MTt)

286
Like if you rape a baby you'll be cured of AIDS?
Posted by: Insomniac


Only if it's a virgin baby.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2016 06:36 PM (IqV8l)

287 Begone Pedophile Hosiery!!

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:36 PM (EUMr7)

288 Home run Ace

Posted by: A man from Nantucket at December 07, 2016 06:36 PM (VV4qd)

289 Jimmy looked the part....you could just look at those bee-dee eyes and know he wasn't right. But it's England, so what do they know.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 07, 2016 06:34 PM (ej1L0)

Well they did have officials looking the other way so GFMs could engage in human trafficking in Rotherham, so they're a little suspect in that area.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2016 06:36 PM (0mRoj)

290 "Gorilla jerk dicky leaves you with the sexual potency of a John Wayne Bobbitt. "

Yeah, humanity has, for our body mass, some of the largest dongs in the primate family. I know there are some monkeys that have, proportionally, balls the size of coconuts, but that's because their primary means of sexual competition is outnumbering the other guy, IYKWIM.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 07, 2016 06:37 PM (fVubI)

291 >>>Looking into this is just common sense, not some crazed conspiracy theory.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:35 PM (39g3+)

So you're in charge of the investigation. What's your first step?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 07, 2016 06:37 PM (T5Wyx)

292
refused to keep the coins given to him by Pontius Pilate for betraying Jesus



It wasn't Pontius Pilot who gave him the thirty peices of silver,it was the chief priest.

Posted by: A Ham Sammich at December 07, 2016 06:37 PM (lKyWE)

293 O/T: Baby, it's cold outside. 31 degrees w/wind, blowing snow tomorrow.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 07, 2016 06:37 PM (CFc5L)

294 yeah but see victims DID accuse him. You're missing that here.





Posted by: ace at December 07, 2016 06:29 PM (8rNrN)
================================

Respectfully, you don't know what you are talking about. Respectfully. I will never. Ever. Not open my mouth.

Posted by: grammie winger - Let Every Heart Prepare Him Room at December 07, 2016 06:38 PM (dFi94)

295 275 I will start to believe Pizzagate the day a single actual flesh-and-blood possible victim is identified. Until then, with just a vague demographic class of victims known as "children," it's based on nothing.
Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2016 06:32 PM (jBuUi)

Yep.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at December 07, 2016 06:34 PM (CPk0

And by then it is too late. See THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

That's the point when dealing with Children.

Also they don't speak out because of fear and shame.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 06:38 PM (Dj5/i)

296 I heard Trump punched a baby in the dick.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2016 06:38 PM (0mRoj)

297 TODAY'S SPECIAL :



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w/
2 Salads + 2 Med Sodas

$27,000

Posted by: PizzaGate Family Restaurant Signage at December 07, 2016 06:38 PM (c8Ctg)

298
I will start to believe Pizzagate the day a single actual flesh-and-blood possible victim is identified. Until then, with just a vague demographic class of victims known as "children," it's based on nothing.
Posted by: zombie


How do you think they make the pizza?

*rests case*

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 07, 2016 06:38 PM (1G5R8)

299 >>>So you're in charge of the investigation. What's your first step?

Pepperoni, Sausage, Extra cheese, mushrooms, pineapple and bacon.

Fried bologna on half.

It's a code.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:38 PM (EUMr7)

300 Here's an example of Lore relevant to today: FDR knew about the Pearl Harbor attack beforehand but let it happen to get US into the War.

Do you mean that it is a lie that FDR knew about the Pearl Harbor attack before it happened? Because there is a guy named John Toland who might have some argument with you on that point.

Posted by: David, Internet Troll at December 07, 2016 06:38 PM (2skQu)

301 Roman Polanski still hasn't been jailed for drugging and raping a minor female.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at December 07, 2016 06:29 PM (swEzU)

This is a ridiculous comparison.

Polanski was CONVICTED! In court. The system worked. That he ran before he went to jail is another issue.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2016 06:39 PM (42Mgr)

302
"The pedo symbols on the three businesses..."
Like on Zeppelin IV?


Yeah, the one with the faggot on the cover.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2016 06:39 PM (IqV8l)

303 Yesterday someone pointed out to me that there are dead bodies associated with PizzaGate. Not kids, but at least two people investigating who turned up dead.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at December 07, 2016 06:39 PM (Om16U)

304 You know how you win the MSM battle. You call out the bad guys with validated accounts. If you stretch without evidence you look like a fool, and you get played.

Bill Clinton is a sexual predator. I know this because enough women came forward with credible accounts and there was some corroboration. And then of course there was Monica as the cherry on top.

I don't know that Bill or Hillary had people killed. I wouldn't put it pass them, but there's no substantiation.

So you know what Trump did. He yelled load and often that Bill was a sexual predator. And it mostly drove Bill from the campaign. And it made Hillary look like an enabler, which registered with many voters.

That's how to win the Media game. Pizzagate is a flight of fantasy right now, and it distracts from the very really things that are in plain sight.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 07, 2016 06:39 PM (SIY7D)

305 So you're in charge of the investigation. What's your first step?

I dunno, I'm not a trained investigator. I guess I'd ask Podesta what the hell was up in those emails in some capacity. What did this mean, why is it worded like that?

I'd want to dig deeper into his activities and associations, look up anything that's been investigated in the past. Have there been any accusations before? Is there anything on record? What was going on those nights, does anyone remember other than the primary people involved, like chauffeurs, workers, etc?

Lots of stuff you could look into. Gather information, see if there's anything to it. I mean... there's enough reason to at least ask, right?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:39 PM (39g3+)

306 >>>It wasn't Pontius Pilot who gave him the thirty peices of silver,it was the chief priest.

And he gave them back and went and offed himself. And the Jews bought a piece of land with them to bury the poor.

It was quite the public service project all the way around.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:40 PM (EUMr7)

307 I will start to believe Pizzagate the day a single
actual flesh-and-blood possible victim is identified. Until then, with
just a vague demographic class of victims known as "children," it's
based on nothing.

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2016 06:32 PM (jBuUi)
======================

Stop. Just please. Stop.

Posted by: grammie winger - Let Every Heart Prepare Him Room at December 07, 2016 06:40 PM (dFi94)

308 "So unless a child of 8 years old is on video testifying about the worst moment in their lives for all the world to see, hear, and judge then pedophilia is fake news and not real."

NO.

Without any actual, backed-up evidence, THIS CASE does not involve pedophilia. Just some people who hear pedophile dog whistles -- and are likely Making Shit Up.

Do *NOT* confuse questioning an incident with dismissing the category.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 07, 2016 06:41 PM (fVubI)

309 gorilla dick jerky!

WTF!!

Posted by: Harambe at December 07, 2016 06:41 PM (0F67M)

310 By the time I'm done reading this, the ONT will be up.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at December 07, 2016 06:41 PM (D2vc1)

311 We're all about the dick jerky.

Posted by: Bonobos at December 07, 2016 06:41 PM (0mRoj)

312 >>>I dunno, I'm not a trained investigator. I guess I'd ask Podesta what
the hell was up in those emails in some capacity. What did this mean,
why is it worded like that?

But first I'd ask "What do you like on your pizza" and see if he gets a boner..

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:41 PM (EUMr7)

313 Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 06:38 PM (Dj5/i)

Meh. I can just as easily yell 'But LOoK aT THe SAleM WITch TRIalS!!!". I'm not into historical analogies: before I believe weird shit I want to see the evidence of weird shit, and the weirder shit is, the more I want to see it before I buy into it. It's that simple, your mileage may vary, and I don't give a shit if it does.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at December 07, 2016 06:42 PM (CPk08)

314 >>>I dunno, I'm not a trained investigator.

Lots of stuff you could look into. Gather information, see if there's anything to it. I mean... there's enough reason to at least ask, right?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:39 PM (39g3+)

Ya think maybe "trained investigators" might not see anything to investigate here?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 07, 2016 06:42 PM (T5Wyx)

315 Give me Podesta, a concrete floor and a ball peen hammer and I'll get to the bottom of this.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 07, 2016 06:42 PM (0F67M)

316

"How prog-guru John Podesta isn't household name as world class underage sex slave op cover-upperer defending unspeakable dregs escapes me."

This tweet was from Breitbart referencing the ACORN underage sex ring...

Well, I mean, nothing to see there I suppose.



Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzzy at December 07, 2016 06:42 PM (yORMz)

317 The recent pedo ring exposed in the Netherlands is interesting.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at December 07, 2016 06:43 PM (Om16U)

318 With no evidence it's just an election year cheap shot. If you don't believe the story that doesn't mean you are a pedo loving idiot. I've seen more evidence for Bigfoot.

Posted by: freaked at December 07, 2016 06:43 PM (BO/km)

319 >>But first I'd ask "What do you like on your pizza" and see if he gets a boner..



Stakeout / Honeypot

Send him a Large Pizza with Extra Sausage and have it delivered by a Boy Scout on a Big Wheel.

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 06:43 PM (c8Ctg)

320 "You get a gold star."

Oh, thank you. I like that better than Skyline.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 07, 2016 06:43 PM (fVubI)

321 Fuckin' 2016. Seriously.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 07, 2016 06:43 PM (wB8Tg)

322
>>>Give me Podesta, a concrete floor and a ball peen hammer and I'll get to the bottom of this.

Nipples, jumper cables, and an old Ford tractor with a bad generator.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:43 PM (EUMr7)

323 Ya think maybe "trained investigators" might not see anything to investigate here?

Maybe, and maybe they do. I don't know, do you?

I mean... it wouldn't exactly be the first time people saw something obviously wrong that was just shut down for political purposes. Right?

Say an investigator did the stuff I suggest: would you call that outrageous or stupid, conspiratorial? Insane? Crazy?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:43 PM (39g3+)

324 Let me sketch in a vague outline of my story. Years. Then I finally got an adult to take me to the county prosecutor. The county prosecutor says, you have no evidence. Go home. They sent me home. I had no way out of that home.


Please. You're killing me here.

Posted by: grammie winger - Let Every Heart Prepare Him Room at December 07, 2016 06:44 PM (dFi94)

325 Mrs. Tapper sure does love Comet Ping Pong.

For her AND her the Tapper progeny.

For the totally not inappropriate all ages shows featuring bands like "Sex Stain," and "Heavy Breathing."

But I'm sure it's all on the up and up.

Posted by: Mister Christopher (in Atlanta!) at December 07, 2016 06:44 PM (JWMml)

326
Send him a Large Pizza with Extra Sausage and have it delivered by a Boy Scout on a Big Wheel.


*Bunk*

Posted by: John Pedo-esta at December 07, 2016 06:44 PM (mL2BD)

327 I'm an unbiased news person.

I report just the facts, like Donald Trump was seen stealing Hillary-> election yard signs from outside undocumented immigrant orphanage homes while simultaneously hanging nooses on nearby trees and burning crosses outside of neighboring refugee mosques.

Posted by: George Steponamidget at December 07, 2016 06:44 PM (xbLUU)

328 The moment Dan Rather, Dan fucking Rather!, is asked his opinion on anything, even the weather, you have lost all credibility. Full stop.

Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at December 07, 2016 06:45 PM (UgF8H)

329 The recent pedo ring exposed in the Netherlands is interesting.

One got ripped open in Canada too.

Plus there's this:

https://therealstrategy.com/obama-administration-placed-children-human-traffickers-report/

They were in such a hurry to ram those little illegals into homes they didn't bother checking what homes or who the families were.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:45 PM (39g3+)

330 "Johnny Appleseed? Lore... may have actually been a person who planted Apple Trees... we really don't know... "

Funniest part? The most likely candidate got the nickname not just from planting apple trees, but from insisting on planting them from seed and not grafting varieties. He was a member of a sect that considered grafting an act against the will of God.

And the apple variety he planted? Only really useful for cider; too sour for eating straight.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 07, 2016 06:45 PM (fVubI)

331 Anyway these kinds of stories have been around since the Hellfire Club days. Some politicians get freeky.

Posted by: freaked at December 07, 2016 06:45 PM (BO/km)

332 >>> Years. Then I finally got an adult to take me to the county prosecutor.
The county prosecutor says, you have no evidence. Go home. They sent me
home. I had no way out of that home.

My heart cries. Sincerely, it does....

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:45 PM (EUMr7)

333
Fuckin' 2016. Seriously.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith


You ain't seen nothin' yet.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2016 06:45 PM (IqV8l)

334 >>>Say an investigator did the stuff I suggest: would you call that outrageous or stupid, conspiratorial? Insane? Crazy?

Yet none are. And none have come forward complaining of investigations being squashed. Why don't you call up the MPD Sex Crimes Unit and ask? I mean, if this is so horrible and important and FOR THE CHILDREN.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 07, 2016 06:46 PM (T5Wyx)

335 So I know literally absolutely nothing about "Pizzagate". I'd heard the term in passing, but no idea what it referenced. I've read through all the comments here.

Honest question: Is there anything here other than some emails that read oddly and some people believe to be code for pedophilia?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 07, 2016 06:46 PM (89UPP)

336 ** I've deleted a few sentences about the inadequacy of the "evidence" I've seen for "PizzaGate" for two reasons: 1, it seems to attracting a lot more attention that I wanted it to, and I don't want people yapping about this other matter when I wrote a post about the thing I actually wanted to talk about, and 2, from what I learned from the Media, you're not supposed to call bullshit on your own side's factually-dubious Political Lore, in the interests of party unity and electing people of the party you favor.


I think this settles it for this evening.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 07, 2016 06:46 PM (0F67M)

337 There are no trained investigators. It's as if the media, despite the possibility of clicks and ratings with lurid sensationalistic headlines, have closed ranks to protect anyone associated with Pizzagate.

So very responsible of them.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at December 07, 2016 06:46 PM (Om16U)

338 272 >>So unless a child of 8 years old is on video testifying about the worst moment in their lives for all the world to see, hear, and judge then pedophilia is fake news and not real.

yeah we usually require at least a victim before we accuse someone of rape

At least the left requires a (lying) accuser before making its made-up rape claims. We seem to be dispensing with that inconvenience -- after all, a dishonest accuser may be proven to be dishonest. Better to have no witness at all, I guess.

Posted by: ace at December 07, 2016 06:33 PM (8rNrN)

You will never get that kind of evidence because it will be sealed and guarded in a vault like Fort Knox.

But to protect adults who are a threat to harming children we must allow them to continue to harm as many as possible. That's not how the law works when it comes to protecting children, the law works to stop it before the act takes place.

Also you are assuming WRONGLY that all children act like THE LEFT. Children are children and want to be and feel safe. They don't give a Fuck about politics.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 06:47 PM (Dj5/i)

339 Actually this false equivalency thing is something the left has gotten good at.

Pizzagate is a pretty fringe conspiracy theory in right wing circles, whereas a majority of the left believes George Bush had foreknowledge, or even planned, 9-11.

Yet Pizzagate is the topic of discussion?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2016 06:47 PM (aZq03)

340 >>>I've deleted a few sentences about the inadequacy of the "evidence"
I've seen for "PizzaGate" for two reasons: 1, it seems to attracting a
lot more attention that I wanted it to, and I don't want people yapping
about this other matter when I wrote a post about the thing I actually
wanted to talk about, and 2, from what I learned from the Media, you're
not supposed to call bullshit on your own side's factually-dubious
Political Lore, in the interests of party unity and electing people of
the party you favor.




Shit. I just order a Stuffed Crust too......

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:47 PM (EUMr7)

341 Ordering Papa Johns was already complicated enough.

Posted by: DaveA at December 07, 2016 06:47 PM (8J/Te)

342 This is gonna get uglier than a UC Berkeley slutwalk. I think I'll see y'all later.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2016 06:48 PM (0mRoj)

343 I will say that there is more 'evidence' that something Hinky went on at that Pizza place..

Than that Trump is a Nazi....

Posted by: Don Q. at December 07, 2016 06:48 PM (qf6WZ)

344 >>Honest question: Is there anything here other than some emails that read oddly and some people believe to be code for pedophilia?

No.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 06:48 PM (/tuJf)

345 >>Shit. I just order a Stuffed Crust too......

Cinna-sticks w/dipping sauce?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2016 06:48 PM (NOIQH)

346 Then I finally got an adult to take me to the county prosecutor. The county prosecutor says, you have no evidence. Go home. They sent me home. I had no way out of that home.

Yeah, that's the problem. I've talked to way too many women who were abused as little girls. So many I'm starting to wonder if there are any out there who were not in some way, at least.

Little kids are ignored, even attacked for complaining. And if someone brings it up, inevitably someone trots out a single rare super high profile case where someone lied. But they're all willing to believe every priest is a child molester.

And people are very protective of power and getting all the goodies they want without limit. A lot of folks depend on them staying in power, and will do what it takes to protect them, too.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:49 PM (39g3+)

347 It is funny to me that not one journalist has asked Podesta what the strange code references mean.

Podesta is like the main player in all things Clinton.

You really think if like Karl Rove had strange emails in code the major newspapers would not be asking about every absurd allegation?

Posted by: Maritime at December 07, 2016 06:49 PM (tcUhm)

348 >>>Cinna-sticks w/dipping sauce?

Pervert......

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:49 PM (EUMr7)

349 "Where did the people online spreading the sorts of "Fake News" stories the media hates learn how to do this, I wonder?"

Dad (MSM) catches Son (alt media) with drug paraphernalia (#FakeNews)

I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU, DAD!

Posted by: holygoat at December 07, 2016 06:49 PM (J6NRq)

350 Shit. I just order a Stuffed Crust too......

I'd like a Chicago Style Deep Dish Pizza, all the way, and an underage child sex slave, please.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 07, 2016 06:50 PM (0F67M)

351 breaking news: Jill Stein is demanding that Time Magazine do a recount of the ballots for Man of the Year

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 07, 2016 06:50 PM (i8bpR)

352 Honest question: Is there anything here other than some emails that read oddly and some people believe to be code for pedophilia?

From what I've seen, the other aspect is some very odd imagery and behavior at the pizza place. Inappropriate photograhy, strange shows, that kind of thing. All very circumstantial and open to interpretation.

That's why I shy away from the "they're pedos for sure!!" thing. I just think there's enough to say "wow, something odd is going on" and want to know more.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:50 PM (39g3+)

353 Honest question: Is there anything here other than some emails that read oddly and some people believe to be code for pedophilia?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 07, 2016 06:46 PM (89UPP)

What makes either kiddie p0rn or pedophilia plausible is that it cast attention on Tony Podesta and his very weird art collection.
Oh, and the chumminess of both Podestas with Abramovich.

Alefantis also appears weird in his own right. But I don't think there is any direct connection. That's all speculation.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at December 07, 2016 06:51 PM (Om16U)

354 'You will never get that kind of evidence because it will be sealed and guarded in a vault like Fort Knox.'

No they keep it in a bunker underneath Virginia. Guarded by Mole People.

Posted by: freaked at December 07, 2016 06:51 PM (BO/km)

355 I'm not going to knock people who want to investigate oddly worded emails.

On the other hand, I do remember the McMartin Pre-School Hysteria here in smoggy Kalifornia, which was an utter farce which sent innocent people to jail, fortunately briefly.

I know this is the State of Anton LaVey, Charles Manson, Jim Jones and the Zodiac Killer, and I'm inclined to believe anything bad about the Left, but the prosecutorial insanity of McMartin was nauseating.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 07, 2016 06:51 PM (ujg0T)

356 >>>I'd like a Chicago Style Deep Dish Pizza, all the way, and an underage child sex slave, please.

So a 14 yr old Thai tranny AND a plain cheese!!??!

Look at you, big spender!!

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:51 PM (EUMr7)

357 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:49 PM (39g3+)
=======================


I begged them to put me in foster care.

Posted by: grammie winger - Let Every Heart Prepare Him Room at December 07, 2016 06:51 PM (dFi94)

358 "Do you mean that it is a lie that FDR knew about the Pearl Harbor attack before it happened? Because there is a guy named John Toland who might have some argument with you on that point. "

That's nice. There are all sorts of cranks on the Internet.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 07, 2016 06:52 PM (fVubI)

359 I've deleted a few sentences about the inadequacy of the "evidence" I've seen for "PizzaGate" for two reasons: 1, it seems to attracting a lot more attention that I wanted it to, and I don't want people yapping about this other matter when I wrote a post about the thing I actually wanted to talk about

I apologize for taking it on a side tangent ace, that's my fault. It was a good post overall and I agree with your general point. I just wanted to point out that its not entirely BS, so maybe not your best choice for an example of "fake news" lore that people on the right believe.

Maybe a better example would be Obama the super secret Muslim, determined to turn the USA into a Caliphate.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:52 PM (39g3+)

360 301 If the system worked, polanski would be in jail getting what he gave that girl.

...even if that takes kidnapping him from Poland and bringing him back here.

let every man's hand be raised against him

I am not arguing that PizzaGate is real; I am arguing that we have systematic abuse of children in the institutions of this country, and the "fake news" outlets do not cover it when the people involved are democong or thier allies.

so I am not going to scoff at those who do believe in it's reality:

Start with:
1- Proven history of coverups for child abuse Rotherdam, Hollywood, etc)
2- Proven history of media propaganda
3- Proven history of Clinton creepiness (Podesta "art", spirit cooking)
4- Proven history of sex and attempted contact with underage girls from Clinton ring (Weiner. Pedo Island)


Combine this with:
5- Likely use of code language in Clinton ring emails
6- Past use of some of the same terminology by pedos (4chan boards, etc)

...and where it gets into speculation
7- Interpretation of Podesta art as pedo in nature
8- The circumstantial "evidence" such as Podesta brothers "looking like" drawing of accused pedos, etc

Then I can see WHY the theory has developed.

If the mass media doesn't like that a conspiracy has developed, they shouldn't have lied so much in the first place...and if any of these democong get hurt in the process, all I have to say is hoist, meet petard.



Posted by: Grad School Fool at December 07, 2016 06:53 PM (swEzU)

361 >>>Maybe a better example would be Obama the super secret Muslim, determined to turn the USA into a Caliphate.

Yes yes american brother please to look at other things please

Posted by: Syrian and Somalian Refugees at December 07, 2016 06:53 PM (EUMr7)

362 I believe with this normalization of pedophilia via pizzagate, most "internet sleuths' who lean pro American and conservative have seized on this ground via Pizzagate and decided this is the hill to die on and rightly so. Interestingly these are the same people that want immagration halted and a wall built to stop crimes like human trafficking.

So younger people under 40 and people with Children will not allow the normalization of pedophilia to occur.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 06:53 PM (Dj5/i)

363 Also, the media's behavior is part of what makes me suspicious. I guess they've trained me to distrust them too well.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at December 07, 2016 06:54 PM (Om16U)

364 Pineapple on pizza? Heretic.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 07, 2016 06:54 PM (89T5c)

365 FDR knew about the Pearl Harbor attack in the same way Bush knew 9/11 was going to happen: he knew that an attack of some kind might happen and planning was underway for an attack on the USA.

He didn't know "its coming December 7th at this location by these forces." I mean, watch Tora, Tora, Tora and you can see they were on alert for an attack and installed radar just in case. They just didn't know exactly or for certain.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:54 PM (39g3+)

366 Personally I think the tougher scrutiny on the right has made us stronger. Calling out our own side on bullshit makes us stronger. We had a lot of qualified candidates and we've got a deep young bench because of it. The Donks ran a horrible candidate that they had been excusing and closing ranks for and got screwed. Purges are good when things are not up to standard. This goes for media bias and twisting the truth, and this goes for bullshit like Pizzagate.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 07, 2016 06:54 PM (T5Wyx)

367 Anybody have a spare Gorilla dick? I'm making jerkey.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'Manspreading fake news like a bastard' at December 07, 2016 06:54 PM (AGr9E)

368 We should document how many times the leftist media has proclaimed, loudly and repeatedly, that a) something is totally fake news and b) it turns out that in fact that story was completely and in retrospect, OBVIOUSLY true.

Exhibit A: Lewinsky, Monica.
Exhibit B: Weiner, Anthony

Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at December 07, 2016 06:55 PM (UgF8H)

369 Ace is Loremaster - nailed it

Posted by: Random Joe at December 07, 2016 06:55 PM (qUxdc)

370 ((grammie))

Posted by: DaveA at December 07, 2016 06:55 PM (8J/Te)

371 >>So younger people under 40 and people with Children will not allow the normalization of pedophilia to occur.

Yea, and anyone who doesn't agree with your unproven with zero evidence conspiracy theory is all about mainlining pedophilia.

You go with that.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 06:55 PM (/tuJf)

372 You know what I believe. Many of the young Illegals that have been enticed to come here from Central America in Obama's Children's Crusade get raped on the way, and after. By the thousands.

This should be a Holy Shit Headline, but isn't

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 07, 2016 06:55 PM (SIY7D)

373 Pizza! Pizza!

Posted by: Little Czar at December 07, 2016 06:55 PM (IqV8l)

374 One thing I've been doing casually lately is listening to how dirty lines from the Brady Bunch sound when you take them in isolation.

One of the gems was Mr. Brady going on about how wiped out he was after spending two hours out in the yard with three young boys.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 07, 2016 06:55 PM (mL2BD)

375 Those Podesta's are into some creepy art, and those 'joke' photos of infants that pizza guy had on his Instagram are chilling.


Best case scenario, all these politically connected pizza places are just money laundering fronts. But what's the source of the dirty money?

Posted by: mugiwara at December 07, 2016 06:56 PM (AwovO)

376 Ooh, just saw Ace's update. We're to focus on the other side's political lore? Groovy!

As crazy as P****gate might sound, none of its graphics ever wound up on an episode of 60 Minutes, unlike a certain forged TANG document.

Posted by: Sausage McMuffin at December 07, 2016 06:56 PM (T9DQN)

377 Like if you rape a baby you'll be cured of AIDS?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2016 06:34 PM (0mRoj)
..........

Only if the baby has ebola, it cures everything.

Posted by: wth at December 07, 2016 06:56 PM (HgMAr)

378 Actually, the "normalization" of pedophilia is well upon us, if not having provided fruit in legislation.

Who would've thought 10 years ago that "gay marriage" was anything but a conspiracy theory.

Fuck their Fake News. They clamored for and agitated for and got, against the overwhelming will of the people, Fake Marriage. Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:56 PM (EUMr7)

379 There's a still cherished bit of progressive lore (total bullshit, I mean) -- that Jared Loughner was "inspired" by Sarah Palin's rhetoric, and went out to kill Gabby Giffords because he'd heard Sarah Palin say "Don't retreat-- RELOAD!" or saw some bullseyes on a map showing which House seats in swing districts she thought Republicans should "target."


Let's not forget that Giffords was collateral damage in the assassination of Federal Judge John Roll by the son of a Democratic operative.

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes at December 07, 2016 06:56 PM (0F67M)

380 We should give children guns to protect themselves.

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2016 06:56 PM (c8Ctg)

381 any of the young Illegals that have been enticed to come here from Central America in Obama's Children's Crusade get raped on the way, and after. By the thousands.

And, according to the link above I gave, they were placed in the kind of foster home that takes pics of their little ones and sells them to others for a night of screams.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 06:57 PM (39g3+)

382 >>>Pineapple on pizza? Heretic.

It was CODE!!!!

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 06:57 PM (EUMr7)

383 >Ya think maybe "trained investigators" might not see anything to investigate here?

Are we REALLY talking about the same "trained invigilators" that said a reasonable prosecutor would not indict Clinton in the same case he would indict anyone else?

Posted by: Grad School Fool at December 07, 2016 06:57 PM (swEzU)

384 #366 - you got that right.

Let them lie. It only hurts their own credibility, and allows weak candidates into office.

Look at Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid - arguably they were/are both senile/nuts. Where would we be if the Dems had someone competent in charge?

When you enemy is in the process of destroying themselves, let them.

Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at December 07, 2016 06:57 PM (UgF8H)

385 I have a while to read through that right? Before the ONT. I'm taking it in bites, to savor the content.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'Manspreading fake news like a bastard' at December 07, 2016 06:57 PM (AGr9E)

386 Grammie, hugs and much love.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at December 07, 2016 06:58 PM (Om16U)

387 I read "At Dawn We Slept" about the Pearl Harbor attack years ago. The author concluded that FDR & Co expected Japan to attack in Asia, and likely the Phillipines, but an aerial attack on Pearl Harbor was too audacious. At the time, many didn't see that aircraft carriers were the New New Thing.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 07, 2016 06:58 PM (SIY7D)

388
This...

... is a most interesting blog.

Posted by: Hiram Wainscote at December 07, 2016 06:58 PM (wuEnJ)

389 The art is definitely highly questionable.

I had a friend in high school whose dad had all sorts of crap like that around their house. And guess what? Turns out he was molesting her.

Posted by: Lauren at December 07, 2016 06:58 PM (YMxoE)

390 Serious question: If the NYT and others keep pushing this #fakenews crap as a way of censoring and marginalizing ('other' ing) conservatives, is that going to push us closer to civil war?

Looking at the Powerline blog, it sounds a heck of a lot like that yib yob wants to be able to drone fake news peeps.

Shit like that makes me wanna hollar. And load mags.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 07, 2016 06:59 PM (MYX5P)

391 >>>Are we REALLY talking about the same "trained invigilators" that said a reasonable prosecutor would not indict Clinton in the same case he would indict anyone else?

No, one is FBI and the other is MPD or whatever jurisdiction based on whichever Podesta house the sex cult whatever was doing hinky child sex blood Magick out of.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 07, 2016 06:59 PM (T5Wyx)

392 "Let me sketch in a vague outline of my story. Years. Then I finally got an adult to take me to the county prosecutor. The county prosecutor says, you have no evidence. Go home. They sent me home. I had no way out of that home."

And that county prosecutor was a criminal idiot.

I admire your guts in trying, believe me. One thing I think is different today is that there are lots of people who are "mandatory reporters". I know that's not perfect -- Planned Parenthood ignores that, but what do you expect from them? -- but these days there *will* be a doctor or counselor or teacher or cop who will stick with it.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 07, 2016 06:59 PM (fVubI)

393 Stephen Jay Gould started some lore that feeds into leftwing ideology: that even such basic elements of science as measurements could be affected by the covert racism of those conducting the experiment.

http://bedejournal.blogspot.be/2011/06/bias-sphere-or-turning-gould-into-irony.html

Posted by: Jim S. at December 07, 2016 06:59 PM (Khwdv)

394 Heh

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 07, 2016 07:00 PM (89T5c)

395 Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 06:55 PM (/tuJf)
=============================


Please tell me what evidence a 7 year old child could provide that would satisfy you. Do you remember being 7? Do you think you could accumulate evidence that would satisfy a prosecutor? Please tell me how. Please tell me how you would do that because my seven year old self would really like to know because for 60 years we have been trying to figure out WHAT WE COULD HAVE DONE TO STOP IT

Posted by: grammie winger - Let Every Heart Prepare Him Room at December 07, 2016 07:00 PM (dFi94)

396 The lying emabling media and our betters should be fucking scared for a righteous and justified blowback when there is systematic and historical abuse done to our children by our government and elites with the media covering up for them.

Move to Afghanistan and convert to Islam where that shit is normal and accepted.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 07:00 PM (Dj5/i)

397 washrivergal, yeah, getting shitty here too. I have a nasty cold and one of the morons needs to bring some pellets in for me.

*smiles innocently*

Posted by: Infidel at December 07, 2016 07:00 PM (a62hT)

398 I got tired during the campaign of saying "that's not real" to the latest Hillary did this awful thing being floated out there. Some truly dumb and insane stuff was out there.

I mean, there's a heavily edited video of Obama talking to a girl. She says she's illegal but wants to vote. Obama's response is a cutaway, but is from a different part of the interview about election laws, where he says nobody will stop you from voting. It sounds like he's saying "we want illegals to vote" but its not, its a hack job.

Nearly all of that stuff came from sources trying to make Trump look bad and his supporters to look stupid with official seeming names like KAUTNews.com with very convincing designs. Nobody supporting Trump came up with those, it was an attempt to discredit and smear.

But the right ran with them because hell after emails and cigars and shoving documents down pants and all the rest, who wouldn't believe the most crazy crap from these guys?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 07:00 PM (39g3+)

399 Yeah, about that Pizzagate thing.

We know Bill Clinton associated with a (later) convicted pedophile, Jeffrey Epstein, the billionaire who would take favored friends to his island retreat for sexual escapades. Is it too much to believe that other prominent, well-placed members of Clinton's and Epstein's circles were also involved in sex with minors?

I took a look at the Pizzagate page. Lots of Krazy Konspiracy Kidz running loose at that site, sure, but when objectively viewed on their own some of the images and references and email dialogue are hinky to say the least, strongly suggestive of something else going on.

And forget about John Podesta for a moment. Take a good, long look at his brother, Tony, the guy who raked in all that money from the Russian uranium deal. He stinks to high heaven.

Posted by: troyriser at December 07, 2016 07:00 PM (ZkXe+)

400 'Where would we be if the Dems had someone competent in charge? '

That's a scary thought. What if somebody popped up as the left's DT in a few years?

Posted by: freaked at December 07, 2016 07:00 PM (BO/km)

401 >>> that even such basic elements of science as measurements could be
affected by the covert racism of those conducting the experiment.

Not true! "Filthy Chinaman" is an ACTUAL UNIT OF MEASUREMENT!
Equal to 2 Pollacks, which are each made up of 4 "Red Sea Pedestrians".

I've found the "Rosie O'Donnell" to be a cumbersome unit of volume, though.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 07:01 PM (EUMr7)

402 >>>FDR knew about the Pearl Harbor attack in the same way Bush knew 9/11 was going to happen: he knew that an attack of some kind might happen and planning was underway for an attack on the USA.


This. The intelligence was there, but it was a needle in a pile of other needles. This allows for the disingenuous argument that we had to have known beforehand because the data was there.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 07, 2016 07:02 PM (ppaKI)

403 >>Also, the media's behavior is part of what makes me suspicious. I guess they've trained me to distrust them too well.


Yeah, they've been happy to look the other way when it comes to Democrat deviance for years. Clinton, Kennedys, Filner, Edwards, etc..

Kinda like the incuriousness of the MSM about Obama, and his almost non-existent paper trail. The whole birther thing was cooked up by Axelrod as a way to paint anyone demanding more details about Obama be reported (not just the lore in his books) as cray-cray conspiracy theorists. I don't know how many people actually believe he was born in Kenya (though his own blurb to the publisher saying that he was - likely just to make him sound more exotic - sure helped), but most people could see that the lack of so much basic records was weird and worth giving a closer look.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2016 07:02 PM (NOIQH)

404 Speaking of nasty colds - what's the best way to hide that you have one from your surgeon?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2016 07:02 PM (Sfs6o)

405 I've found the "Rosie O'Donnell" to be a cumbersome unit of volume, though.i/i]

The Kilo-Couric stinks.

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes at December 07, 2016 07:03 PM (0F67M)

406 I had a friend in high school whose dad had all sorts of crap like that around their house. And guess what? Turns out he was molesting her.

As many times as I've seen it, almost always if something looks really wrong, it probably is with kids. That look in their eye. The school gym teacher that goes on and on about how he "loves kids." The youth pastor that spends too much time counseling the girls. The guy who has his arm around his daughter in a way dads don't. It almost always is what you think.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 07:03 PM (39g3+)

407 And forget about John Podesta for a moment. Take a good, long look at his brother, Tony, the guy who raked in all that money from the Russian uranium deal. He stinks to high heaven.
Posted by: troyriser at December 07, 2016 07:00 PM (ZkXe+)

Yeah, I can get behind this. Why focus on what is almost certainly a phantasmal underground child predator ring when there's *rock solid* evidence of massive corruption sitting there right in the open? I wouldn't have voted for Trump on the basis of Calzonegate, but I absolutely took a shot on him based on how unspeakably corrupt Hillary was.

Posted by: Sausage McMuffin at December 07, 2016 07:03 PM (T9DQN)

408 The e-mails are creepy and the code-word usage proposed is plausible.

Beyond that, who knows.

Posted by: Old School /b/-tard Meme at December 07, 2016 07:03 PM (OzJeO)

409 dammit.

I've had trouble with italics today.

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes at December 07, 2016 07:03 PM (0F67M)

410 >>>Speaking of nasty colds - what's the best way to hide that you have one from your surgeon?

OD on heroin. They won't pay any attention to the cold.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 07, 2016 07:04 PM (EUMr7)

411 389 The art is definitely highly questionable.

I had a friend in high school whose dad had all sorts of crap like that around their house. And guess what? Turns out he was molesting her.

Posted by: Lauren at December 07, 2016 06:58 PM (YMxoE)

And that is why the law allows for the prevention of before it happens based on evidence like this.

The whole thing is heartbreaking and sickening.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 07:04 PM (Dj5/i)

412 I don't know how many people actually believe he was born in Kenya (though his own blurb to the publisher saying that he was - likely just to make him sound more exotic - sure helped),



His granny, who had nothing to gain, who said she was there when he was born, didn't help any.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2016 07:04 PM (784ZQ)

413 We got pizza, Jimmy Savile, Harambe and gorilla dick jerky.

Now all we need now is a Hope Solo reference and my night is made.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 07, 2016 07:05 PM (ej1L0)

414 Christopher
grammie
Voter Mom
Lizzy
And others

You are dealing with the "usual suspects" around here that spout the same old you're just a conspiracy nut when it comes to a number of things.
And they'll often point to the wackiest, craziest claims made on a matter, which oh by the way could have been a plant to make anyone talking about it look crazy, to say "see, you're all wacko."

But you could point them to a video put out by people who would be considered expert testimony in any court of law, a video signed onto by over 3000 experts, and they'd find some way to poo poo it.

Or point them to an interview with a guy like David Schippers who had FBI agents coming to him telling him they'd been ordered to stand down on an investigation.
Their heads would go into the sand.

Posted by: teej at December 07, 2016 07:05 PM (JEx0Z)

415 404 Speaking of nasty colds - what's the best way to hide that you have one from your surgeon?

Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2016 07:02 PM (Sfs6o)

+++

Uh oh.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 07, 2016 07:05 PM (CFc5L)

416
Stephen Jay Gould started some lore that feeds into leftwing ideology: that even such basic elements of science as measurements could be affected by the covert racism of those conducting the experiment.

Don't use a honkie thermometer.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2016 07:05 PM (IqV8l)

417 Obama born in Kenya, while false, is an easy one to understand. He freaking said he was born in Kenya when he was going to college. Until a few years before he ran for president, his own wife said he'd been born in Kenya.

It was all BS to make him seem exotic and get him into Harvard, but it was so repeated and well done that yeah, I understand people buying into it. I mean there's a lot of missing tape in his past, not to mention curious stuff about who is dad really is.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 07:05 PM (39g3+)

418 >>>Now all we need now is a Hope Solo reference and my night is made.


What am I? Chopped fucking liver?

Posted by: Mr. Paul Anka at December 07, 2016 07:05 PM (EUMr7)

419 I just want to know what combination of food I'm supposed to order at Taco Bell to get some weed man.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 07, 2016 07:06 PM (9uZjU)

420 If there is demonstrable proof then I'm all for it.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 06:32 PM (/tuJf)
_______________________

I think you are asking for too much. These are mostly amateur internet sleuths trying to figure things out from a far distance.

Maybe they have over active imaginations and see patterns that might not actually be there.

Maybe they see a Satanic child-rape-murder-clut where there is just a run of the mill perverted child-porn ring.

Or maybe they just discovered evidence that these guys are a bunch of morally bankrupt SOB's with a taste for Satanic and pedophilia tinged performance art.

Just because the mob is screaming murder, doesn't mean the suspect isn't guilty of manslaughter, so to speak. Or let's not throw out the baby with the bath water, no pun intended.

Maybe its too early to swear out a search warrant, but at least some questions should be asked. The apoplectic resistance to the raising of any questions by the MSM is just going to fan the conspiracy flames further.

Posted by: tommylotto at December 07, 2016 07:06 PM (A3a8d)

421 Votermom, have you heard of Monica Petersen? What do you think, if you have?

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at December 07, 2016 07:06 PM (FQKBL)

422 I could go for a good Calzone.

Posted by: Zombie George Steinbrenner at December 07, 2016 07:06 PM (c8Ctg)

423 >>Please tell me what evidence a 7 year old child could provide that would satisfy you. Do you remember being 7? Do you think you could accumulate evidence that would satisfy a prosecutor? Please tell me how. Please tell me how you would do that because my seven year old self would really like to know because for 60 years we have been trying to figure out WHAT WE COULD HAVE DONE TO STOP IT

grammie- I sympathize with your case and the prosecutor in your case should have been disbarred but that doesn't change how the legal process works in this country. People are innocent until PROVEN guilty. and you can't convict someone on a heinous charge because you believe they did something. In fact, that is the complete opposite of how things work.

Yes, I do think if there is a sex ring operating in DC with hundreds of victims it would be possible to find some shred of evidence. There hasn't been any. Why are people so comfortable doing exactly what we accuse the left of doing, just making stuff up based on feelings?

I do think Pedo Island is real, mostly because there is evidence which led to convictions. That's how it's supposed to work no matter how awful the crime.

So I will say again, show me even the slightest evidence that doesn't include emails that people think they can decipher into something nefarious with zero evidence and I'm all for going after them. But short of that it is just people making accusation based on feelings.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 07:07 PM (/tuJf)

424 I want some Italian sausage now.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 07, 2016 07:07 PM (0F67M)

425 You know in the old days after Jill's vote counts all go bad Hugh Hefner would havd offered her 1 M to pose in a centerfold.

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2016 07:08 PM (5sOEp)

426 The apoplectic resistance to the raising of any questions by the MSM is just going to fan the conspiracy flames further.

Well yeah, and that's also something that bothers me. Why are they so opposed to even asking any questions? Its a bit over the top. Even guys like Tapper are using extreme words like insane to describe even suggesting maybe something odd is going on there. Methink, Lady, Protest, etc.

And I could go for a Calzone, too.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 07:08 PM (39g3+)

427 So, Harambe was shot by Jimmy Savile after ordering a pizza from John Podesta? Weird.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 07, 2016 07:08 PM (ppaKI)

428 Speaking of nasty colds - what's the best way to hide that you have one from your surgeon?



Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2016 07:02 PM (S

Nothing. I'm drinking toodies and gonna hit it with the nyquil. Gotta get up at 4:15.

Posted by: Infidel at December 07, 2016 07:08 PM (a62hT)

429 Hey! 2.8 grams per pound of Italian sausage.

I'm going to the store.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 07, 2016 07:08 PM (0F67M)

430 >No, one is FBI and the other is MPD or whatever jurisdiction based on
whichever Podesta house the sex cult whatever was doing hinky child sex
blood Magick out of.

I am not, at this point, claiming that Pizzagate is accurate ( see post 360). What I am saying is that I understand why people believe to be so.

are you going to claim that Clinton insider Weiner didn't get expose the security-violating email for the second time after getting caught trying to have sex with a minor?

My points are that Hollywood and Rotherdam make it plausible that child abuse is a potential explanation of the emails.

I would like to see direct evidence, but I'm not willing to start calling people nuts because they don't believe what the Ministry of Truth is telling them.

Finally, if the FBI had rolled these shitbirds up when it was first KNOWN that they were passing classified docs back and forth on an unsecured network and to people who weren't cleared to see them, then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at December 07, 2016 07:08 PM (swEzU)

431 I just want to know what combination of food I'm supposed to order at Taco Bell to get some weed man.
Posted by: Buzzion


Ask for the hot dog in the cornhole.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 07, 2016 07:09 PM (1G5R8)

432 I know this is the State of Anton LaVey, Charles Manson, Jim Jones and the Zodiac Killer, and I'm inclined to believe anything bad about the Left, but the prosecutorial insanity of McMartin was nauseating.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 07, 2016 06:51 PM (ujg0T)

My understanding about Anton Lavey is that he was basically a hedonistic objectivist who enjoyed scaring religious people for shits and giggles. He was a dick, but probably should be listed among the likes of L. Ron. Hubbard rather than famous murderers.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at December 07, 2016 07:09 PM (egK2C)

433 grams of carbs


Dammit.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 07, 2016 07:09 PM (0F67M)

434 I was thinking a calzone would be nice. Pepperoni and mushroom.

Posted by: freaked at December 07, 2016 07:09 PM (BO/km)

435 but I absolutely took a shot on him based on how unspeakably corrupt Hillary was.



But because how corrupt she is, and everyone around her, including Epstein and Pedo Island where Bill spent time,
Pizzagate is FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS!! Nothing to see! Move along!


Yeah. That old saying "where there's smoke, there's fire", didn't become an old saying without reason.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2016 07:09 PM (784ZQ)

436 This reminds me of the Cruz Wars.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 07, 2016 07:09 PM (89T5c)

437 Watching Tucker, Leftists are all about playing the shell game

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2016 07:10 PM (5sOEp)

438 Buzzion,

You go to Taco Bell AFTER the weed.

Man, this country is off track.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 07, 2016 07:10 PM (fdyxv)

439 I thought you went to Jack in the Box after weed. I mean, it can't stay open based on just sober people eating there. Not with that quality of food.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 07:11 PM (39g3+)

440 he's got a book he's got a book

Posted by: Rhennigantx at December 07, 2016 07:11 PM (bmkS9)

441 So I will say again, show me even the slightest
evidence that doesn't include emails that people think they can decipher
into something nefarious with zero evidence and I'm all for going after
them. But short of that it is just people making accusation based on
feelings.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 07:07 PM (/tuJf)
=========================

My point is you can't see in plain sight the things that are done in darkness. If there are children involved, you must, must err on the side of the children. They have no voice. They are in fear for their lives. They are terrified. If there is a chance, if there is a doubt, it must be investigated. I cannot stress enough the truth that these children feel - that they will be killed if they tell. I cannot stress that enough.

Posted by: grammie winger - Let Every Heart Prepare Him Room at December 07, 2016 07:12 PM (dFi94)

442 Three days until the Pet Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2016 07:12 PM (Sfs6o)

443 Nothing. I'm drinking toodies and gonna hit it with the nyquil. Gotta get up at 4:15.
Posted by: Infidel at December 07, 2016 07:08 PM (a62hT)

+++

So sorry you're ill. There is something nasty going around now, I understand.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 07, 2016 07:12 PM (CFc5L)

444 Oh, and everyone, let's be clear about the left's fundamental objective here:

Shutting Drudge down.

Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 07, 2016 07:12 PM (fdyxv)

445 "You are dealing with the "usual suspects" around here that spout the same old you're just a conspiracy nut when it comes to a number of things."

No, they're not.

I was abused as a kid, never did anything about it, didn't tell anyone until 10 years later. I have nothing but respect for grammie *trying*, and I get how hard it is for anyone to believe you -- when you don't really believe it yourself.

But I'm also a *strong* believer in innocence until proven guilty, and even though that may have protected my abuser, it also protects me.

In the particular, I haven't seen anything in "PizzaGate" that convinces me of anything beyond there being some creative people out there.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 07, 2016 07:12 PM (fVubI)

446 if the FBI had rolled these shitbirds up when it was first KNOWN that they were passing classified docs back and forth on an unsecured network and to people who weren't cleared to see them"

This.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at December 07, 2016 07:13 PM (C9pBZ)

447 Oh, and everyone, let's be clear about the left's fundamental objective here:

Shutting Drudge down.

Prove me wrong.
----------------------------

Objective is shutting Breitbart down.

Posted by: Hiram Wainscote at December 07, 2016 07:13 PM (wuEnJ)

448 So sorry you're ill. There is something nasty going around now, I understand.
Posted by: washrivergal at December 07, 2016 07:12 PM (CFc5L)
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I am admitting to a runny nose. Nothing more!

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2016 07:13 PM (Sfs6o)

449 Well Drudge and making any mention of any news not sanctioned by and covered by the legacy media in the manner that they prefer and choose discredited.

Mention Hillary's emails? FAKE NEWS
Pedo Island? FAKE NEWS

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 07:14 PM (39g3+)

450 438 Buzzion,

You go to Taco Bell AFTER the weed.

Man, this country is off track.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 07, 2016 07:10 PM (fdyxv)


That was an actual story. Someone went through the drive thru and got a bag of weed with their order.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 07, 2016 07:14 PM (z/Ubi)

451 I am admitting to a runny nose. Nothing more!
Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2016 07:13 PM (Sfs6o)

+++

Is it foot surgery you're having, or am I mis-remembering?

Posted by: washrivergal at December 07, 2016 07:15 PM (CFc5L)

452 Funny how the propaganda machine calls some news fake.

Posted by: freaked at December 07, 2016 07:15 PM (BO/km)

453 But I'm also a *strong* believer in innocence until proven guilty, and even though that may have protected my abuser, it also protects me.

I think everyone here agrees that nobody should be convicted based on rumor and conjecture, and a bad smell.

But I also think everyone here should agree that if you have rumor, conjecture, and a bad smell, that's good enough to start an investigation. There's a long ways between "we should take a look" and the gas chamber.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 07:15 PM (39g3+)

454 My point is you can't see in plain sight the things that are done in
darkness. If there are children involved, you must, must err on the side
of the children. They have no voice. They are in fear for their lives.
They are terrified. If there is a chance, if there is a doubt, it must
be investigated. I cannot stress enough the truth that the


THIS. My BFF has lived with this, and not well I might add. She's 69 now. It still makes her cry because no one would believe her.

Posted by: Infidel at December 07, 2016 07:15 PM (a62hT)

455 Now all we need now is a Hope Solo reference and my night is made.
What am I? Chopped fucking liver?
Posted by: Mr. Paul Anka at December 07, 2016 07:05 PM (EUMr7)

Why yes, yes you are. But you slice like a hammer baby!

"I'm so young and your so old, this my darling I've been told. Oh Please stay by me, Diana!"

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 07, 2016 07:15 PM (ej1L0)

456 I'm trying to remember the media lore bits. I have way more examples in my head of factual stories they mentioned one time in a bored voice and dropped such as the Fast and Furious case. Oh wait TFG started that gun running scheme because the MFM was pushing DNC lore that 90% of guns used in Mexican crimes had been bought in America and Fox debunked the myth.

It was 90% of the times that Mexican police *thought* a gun was american and asked the BAFT or FBI or whomever to check serial #s or whatever they were right but mostly Mexican drug gangs and other criminals used guns they got from Mexican soldiers or various gun runners that supply the 3rd world revolutionaries with weapons so the percentage of guns that might have been american "straw purchases" was a tiny percentage of the number of crime scene or recovered after arrest weapons.

Posted by: PaleRider, link to SMFH funeral expenses for Carl at December 07, 2016 07:16 PM (dkExz)

457 Do you mean that it is a lie that FDR knew about the Pearl Harbor attack
before it happened? Because there is a guy named John Toland who might
have some argument with you on that point.

Toland's big thing was the "Winds" messages. There was a great deal of controversy about that. For those that need clarification, the code to attack Pearl was alleged to be a message that said "East wind, rain", meaning an attack on the US at Pearl.
FDR and his cabinet knew an attack was coming. They speculated that it would be in the Philippines or SE Asia. Their failure was that of imagination in that they couldn't conceive of an attack at Pearl, even though it had been war gamed. But it had been war gamed with battleships.
The Bush administration suffered from the same lack of imagination concerning 9/11. They knew Al Queda wanted to do something big. But the latest plot they were looking at concerned blowing US flagged aircraft over the Pacific.

Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at December 07, 2016 07:16 PM (9iR5/)

458 >>>Oh, and everyone, let's be clear about the left's fundamental objective here:


Shutting Drudge down.


Prove me wrong.

Actually, their fundamental objective is to enslave us in an alternate reality where we are disarmed, obedient to their childishly Orwellian worldview, women can kill their children with abandon, marriage is between any animate or inanimate objects, and weed and Burger King are free, but everybody makes at least $15/hr.

Shutting down Drudge is just a low rung on the ladder to gold-shitting unicorns.

Posted by: Mr. Paul Anka at December 07, 2016 07:16 PM (EUMr7)

459 Ace, you do a great job and a great service in keeping a focus on the lying media. I know from personal experience that it takes time and exposure of those lies for it to sink in, as in the case of my mom. She no longer watches ABCNBCCBSCNN evening news at all, after I repeatedly showed her their lies and lies of omission.

It took months. But lifelong habits really are hard to break. And I make it a point to keep her better informed. I've had less success with my friends, but I keep plugging.

I hope you do too.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2016 07:16 PM (oZEJt)

460 There's no 100% proof for pizzagate, but there is a hell of a lot of circumstantial evidence out there. voat.co has all the pizzagate info after reddit nuked it. A lot of speculation, but plenty of reasons to speculate.

Posted by: mugiwara at December 07, 2016 07:16 PM (AwovO)

461 Is it foot surgery you're having, or am I mis-remembering?
Posted by: washrivergal at December 07, 2016 07:15 PM (CFc5L)
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Yep - Foot. But they're putting all of me under general anesthesia. The timing couldn't be worse.

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2016 07:16 PM (Sfs6o)

462 >.It was all BS to make him seem exotic and get him into Harvard, but it
was so repeated and well done that yeah, I understand people buying into
it.

Certainly, but I think the focus was placed on where he was born, by calling them "birthers," was to distract. If I had to guess what he *might* be hiding it would be that he never changed his name back from Soertero to Obama, and possibly dual citizenship? That would explain the missing transcripts, transferring to Columbia despite him admitting to not being a good student (applied as a foreign student?), and also the travel in Pakistan when Americans couldn't. THAT would be a very big deal. Total speculation on my part, but thanks to an incurious, mocking MSM, we'll likely never know one way or the other.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2016 07:17 PM (NOIQH)

463 SOMETHING IS GOING ON!!!!

Posted by: Random Joe at December 07, 2016 07:17 PM (qUxdc)

464 "I do think Pedo Island is real, mostly because there is evidence which led to convictions."

(A) You know what I know. Epstein is a pedophile. Convicted for it. Got too lenient a sentence. These are facts in the public domain.

(B) You know what I suspect. Epstein's got incriminating or highly embarrassing tape on Bill and Prince Andrew and .... (Easy to install a high-end nanny cam).

B is an inference based on A.

(C) You know what I doubt. Podesta is involved in a pederast ring run out of a DC pizza parlor. There's no good evidence, just speculation.

(D) You know what I know. Podesta is a cancer and a danger to the Body Politic. e.g. he's been involved in an organized effort to subvert the US Catholic Church, proven by his own leaked e-mails. You can add to this list greatly with what's already in the public domain.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 07, 2016 07:17 PM (SIY7D)

465 >>>If there are children involved, you must, must err on the side

of the children. They have no voice.

Of course they don't. That was the whole point of destroying the family, so that WE can be their voices.

Posted by: The Left at December 07, 2016 07:18 PM (EUMr7)

466 "If there are children involved, you must, must err on the side of the children."

No. When there are children involved, you must be thorough. But "erring on the side of the children" is what gets kids taken from their families because a social worker doesn't like the parents' religion -- or their choice to home school.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 07, 2016 07:20 PM (fVubI)

467 I agree with Ace about the media and its fake news and lore. I also think we need to be cautious with pizzagate. There is zero proof of any victims. Yet in the spirit of Ace's post I do think there is a fair and in fact a moral (not religious but moral) reason for exploring pizzagate. The art, conversations, other assorted unsavory behavior needs to have some sanitizing attention. If Chip Gaines pastor's views are news than so is the unsavory art and conversation of John Podesta.

Posted by: Lightning at December 07, 2016 07:20 PM (pwONV)

468 Outstanding post Ace.

If the Propaganda Press wasn't busy reporting their lore, what else would they have to say?

Precious little.

Posted by: MTF at December 07, 2016 07:20 PM (8yq6P)

469 Mike Rowe is coming up next on Tucker

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2016 07:20 PM (5sOEp)

470 Certainly, but I think the focus was placed on where he was born, by calling them "birthers," was to distract. If I had to guess what he *might* be hiding it would be that he never changed his name back from Soertero to Obama, and possibly dual citizenship? That would explain the missing transcripts, transferring to Columbia despite him admitting to not being a good student (applied as a foreign student?), and also the travel in Pakistan when Americans couldn't.



Don't forget the Connecticut social security number and not living there.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2016 07:21 PM (784ZQ)

471 Ignoramus at December 07, 2016 07:17 PM (SIY7D)

Don't disagree with any of that.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 07:21 PM (/tuJf)

472 Eh, bums. Nood.

Posted by: JEM at December 07, 2016 07:22 PM (TppKb)

473 >If there are children involved, you must, must err on the side


Anybody remember the XYZ Ranch in Texas? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YFZ_Ranch )

50+ kids taken from their parents w/o a direct shred of evidence of child molestation. It is long past time to use the methods the left set up against everyone else against THEM.

after we purge them from out institutions, we can have a national discussion about the unsuitability of those methods.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at December 07, 2016 07:22 PM (swEzU)

474 Don't forget the Connecticut social security number and not living there.

Yeah there's enough shady crap in Obama's past to fill a book. Too bad nobody seems to want to get into that in the press.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 07:23 PM (39g3+)

475 ----------
Yep - Foot. But they're putting all of me under general anesthesia. The timing couldn't be worse.
Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2016 07:16 PM (Sfs6o)

+++

Oh boy. When is it scheduled so we may know to project good thoughts and prayers your way?

Posted by: washrivergal at December 07, 2016 07:23 PM (CFc5L)

476 "But I also think everyone here should agree that if you have rumor, conjecture, and a bad smell, that's good enough to start an investigation."

Is it a real "bad smell" or is it just someone has a sense there's something off? Because I think going any further based on some Internet Sleuths is dangerous.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 07, 2016 07:23 PM (fVubI)

477 When you are the center of the universe, the center moves with you no matter where you go. That's how Obama & Co., academia, and all of their media operative / enablers can continue to think that they are 'centrist'. There isn't a hell of lot to the left of them, so it's all very sane and reasonable for them to promulgate their lines / lies.

Why do they never correct the lies of the Democrats? Because they aren't lies; they're nuances. Oh, how bright and clever we are!

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at December 07, 2016 07:23 PM (o7l6R)

478 Great analysis by Ace.
Reading it was so exhausting I had to take a walk, to clear my head.

Okay, that may have been a lie.
I stopped reading half the way through, and did some mindless surfing.

Posted by: tubal at December 07, 2016 07:23 PM (mHL0c)

479 Don't forget the Connecticut social security number and not living there.


Shit, I freaked when we settled a case and the SS last number was 1 digit off from mine. He was illegal.

Posted by: Infidel at December 07, 2016 07:24 PM (a62hT)

480 Posted by: washrivergal at December 07, 2016 07:23 PM (CFc5L)
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That's awfully nice of you WRG. Thanks. It's scheduled for Friday morning. I will probably be around here a lot - I have to stay off of it for 2 weeks!

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2016 07:25 PM (Sfs6o)

481 Great post, Ace.

*points to nick*

*points to link in nick*

Once again, I would love to see this bumper sticker go viral. If LIVs kept seeing that message everywhere they looked, it might actually have an effect.

(I didn't create it, and I make no money from it.)

Posted by: rickl - THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU at December 07, 2016 07:26 PM (sdi6R)

482 I have to stay off of it for 2 weeks!

AND THAT'S WHY I HAVE TO LEAVE AT 5:30 IN THE SNOW.

I'm not bitter or anything.

Posted by: Infidel at December 07, 2016 07:27 PM (a62hT)

483 The guns at tea party is a good one - that black dude was cropped to fit narrative

Posted by: Random Joe at December 07, 2016 07:27 PM (qUxdc)

484 Posted by: grammie winger - Let Every Heart Prepare Him Room at December 07, 2016 07:12 PM (dFi94)

You speak the truth and the laws are in place. It is heartbreaking and sickening that adults would rather turn a blind eye and call warning signs art, religion, speech, expression, ect.

Also, it seems people want a smoking gun in a testimony of a 7 year old, which WOULD NEVER GET LEAKED, but they do exist. The people itching for such "evidence" is disturbing to me for obvious reasons as just hearing adults recalling abuse as children makes me violently ill and enraged (Not to mention what passes for art these days in DC).

I'd even argue that a society that allows and tolerates any move towards normalizing pedophilia their citizens failed in their duty of the 2nd amendment. The people that pull this craps on children and enable it deserve a Bronson style Death Wish, and society would be better for it.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 07:28 PM (Dj5/i)

485 Posted by: Infidel at December 07, 2016 07:27 PM (a62hT)
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You having a foot operation too?

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2016 07:29 PM (Sfs6o)

486 He stalked me!

Posted by: Hildabeast at December 07, 2016 07:31 PM (rmw4/)

487 We must do something for the children sounds a lot like Salem witch trials

Posted by: Random Joe at December 07, 2016 07:32 PM (qUxdc)

488 485 Posted by: Infidel at December 07, 2016 07:27 PM (a62hT)
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You having a foot operation too?
Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2016 07:29 PM (Sfs6o)

+++

That would make for a strange co-consistence. Two
of you battling colds and getting foot operations at the same time.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 07, 2016 07:33 PM (CFc5L)

489 Comments are next to dead. I would bet there's a nood. Or it's quitting time on the West Coast, and dinnertime everywhere else.

Posted by: tubal at December 07, 2016 07:33 PM (mHL0c)

490 No, weasel. Daughter did. SIL is on 7 12's this week. Grandson needs to be at JR ROTC at 6:15. So I am picking him up and taking him. I'm not really bitter, just whining. The roads were really bad this am. Snow, ice and 20 degrees. The good thing is, I get to leave work in the day light.


Good luck with your surgery!!

Posted by: Infidel at December 07, 2016 07:34 PM (a62hT)

491 Yep. New thread.

Posted by: tubal at December 07, 2016 07:34 PM (mHL0c)

492 I still don't know if there really is such a real thing as pedo island owned by a Bernstein guy.

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2016 07:37 PM (R7cwD)

493 or why refugees are referred to as children when it's pretty clear they mainly range from late teens to 40s lol children

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2016 07:38 PM (R7cwD)

494 NO!!

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2016 07:39 PM (R7cwD)

495 Because I think going any further based on some Internet Sleuths is dangerous.

Why? If there's nothing there, what is the investigation going to uncover? What bad will happen from someone digging a bit?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2016 07:39 PM (39g3+)

496 Posted by: Infidel at December 07, 2016 07:34 PM (a62hT)
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Thanks Infidel - and good luck to you too! Does your car do ok in the snow? Careful on ice!

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2016 07:40 PM (Sfs6o)

497 Irony just died.

https://newrepublic.com/article/113163/daily-currant-free-wood-post-satire-no-more-fake-news

Posted by: Irving Washington at December 07, 2016 07:45 PM (da6kV)

498 They're going hard on p-gate because besides there is a core of truth. The truth doesn't have to do with the speculation about child abuse, it has to do with the true observation of satanism among the powerful.

Marina Abramovic holds diabolic liturgies. A lot of big name people are pictured with her - the Podestas, Jay-Z, Lady Gaga, Robert de Niro, the guy from Elf: these people have been pictured with her. That doesn't mean they are part of a devil worship religion, it does mean they are willing to involve themselves with 'that sort of thing'.

The 'conspiracy theory' about devil worship among the powerful, which I did not believe before hand, is now proved. Many people have been found out, compromised. They're willing to so evil stuff, they've been caught. They don't want you to know.

Posted by: jihadi at December 07, 2016 07:49 PM (I64i9)

499 Anyway

It was another great article, Ace, and presented the issue in a novel but enlightening manner that I haven't seen anywhere else. Well done.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at December 07, 2016 07:51 PM (egK2C)

500 "Between someone who you've never heard of -- and thus has never lied to you before -- and someone who's consistently lied to you, then got arrogantly angry about why you doubt their new series of lies, people are going to trust the person they don't know for a fact to be serial liar and fabricator."

THIS right here is why myself and lots of people started looking at Trump. The GOPe had done exactly that: lied, and then got angry when called on it.

Posted by: SDN at December 07, 2016 07:52 PM (z3gg+)

501 My view on Pizzagate: Probably a bunch of bullshit. I won't believe anything until bodies show up or witnesses come forward (real witnesses -- not kids who've been coached by hysterical social workers). That being said: For the past decade or so, so much weird shit has turned out to be true that it wouldn't shock me in the slightest if there were something to this Pizzagate stuff. I no longer automatically dismiss claims like this on grounds of "it sounds too weird to take seriously."

Not holding my breath, though.

Posted by: Ex-liberal at December 07, 2016 07:55 PM (R1mDg)

502 476 "But I also think everyone here should agree that if you have rumor, conjecture, and a bad smell, that's good enough to start an investigation."

Is it a real "bad smell" or is it just someone has a sense there's something off? Because I think going any further based on some Internet Sleuths is dangerous.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 07, 2016 07:23 PM (fVubI)

And just who would be in danger?

You will never get a smoking gun of a 7 year old testifying. When and If such evidence exists in these types of cases they are locked down like Fort Knox to protect the kids.

You hear about people being falsely investigated and accused in the media because they are FASLE ALLEGATIONS so the adults get their names cleared but rarely and I doubt you would even find evidence of a child testifying and staying false evidence.

Why do you ask that such evidence is not easily found in the public domain? Because there are pedophiles and sick fucks who would get off at hearing or reading a child who is still a child describing being sexually abused.

This is not difficult to understand the logic and reason behind the laws and safeguards and ethics to protect children.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 07:57 PM (Dj5/i)

503 https://tinyurl.com/jthe8e2



US Steel wants to accelerate investments, bring back jobs, CEO says

More WINNING!

Posted by: Evilpens at December 07, 2016 07:58 PM (y3aQB)

504 209 I just think the Podestas are creepy because of their Spirit Cooking stuff and Tony's creepy art collection. Not illegal, but after being told for years that people like Rick Santorum are supercreepy it is annoying that dabbling in satanic blood rituals for fun with celebrities (and also children present) and having pedo art is A-OK.

As someone said up-thread, with all the stuff that has come out recently, such as a former president being a regular visitor to an island known to have underage sex slaves, I'm left wondering how much some in the MSM know about this type of behavior in DC and why they never manage to cover it.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2016 06:23 PM (NOIQH)

Yep. And the "art" the Podestas collect is seriously sick stuff. They are complete nuts with tons of political power here. The Clintons have gathered the worst scumbags in the country and used them to destroy my party and many people's lives. If pizza gate hurts them, so be it.

I question the parenting of anybody who takes their kids into that restaurant with the disturbing "art" and advertisements posted throughout the place too.

Posted by: Bernette at December 07, 2016 08:03 PM (uDKz6)

505 I haven't heard much about the PizzaGate shooter. (I don't have TV.)

What happened, exactly? I read something about him entering the pizzeria and firing a shot into the floor. Did he turn around and leave? Wait calmly for the police to arrive?

Was he a Tea Partier, NRA member, or white supremacist? I would think I would have heard about it if so.

Posted by: rickl - THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU at December 07, 2016 08:11 PM (sdi6R)

506 >>What happened, exactly? I read something about him entering the pizzeria and firing a shot into the floor. Did he turn around and leave? Wait calmly for the police to arrive?

Supposedly he fired multiple shots into the walls, a door and desk. He surrendered when his "investigation" turned up no kids.

http://tinyurl.com/j7zo6tw

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2016 08:16 PM (/tuJf)

507 505 I haven't heard much about the PizzaGate shooter. (I don't have TV.)

What happened, exactly? I read something about him entering the pizzeria and firing a shot into the floor. Did he turn around and leave? Wait calmly for the police to arrive?

Was he a Tea Partier, NRA member, or white supremacist? I would think I would have heard about it if so.

Posted by: rickl - THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU at December 07, 2016 08:11 PM (sdi6R)

I have no tv either. From what I have read he walked calmly in with a rifle to investigate Comet Pizza and Ping Pong. He had the cops called on him by the staff. The media had a narrative ready to go blaming "fake news" and "right wing conspiracy theories" to place the blame.

Personally I blame the media and authorities for not doing their damn jobs and allowing this to fester for decades. Of course people are going to seek Vigilante Justice on a bunch of openly bragging group of people into pedophilia or normalizing pedophilia.

The authorities are in place to protect the criminals, no matter how sick, from the public. That is part of their job.

Again people looking for a smoking gun of a child testifying will never find it because it is SEALED like Fort Knox to protect the children and to not provide material for sick fucks to get off on.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 08:21 PM (Dj5/i)

508 Guess what creates citizens turning into vigilantes?

The government, media, and other authorities not doing their jobs and enabling crimes out in the open rubbing people's nose in it.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 08:26 PM (Dj5/i)

509 Realistically p-gate can not be 'proved' by online sleuths. People online can only identify connections via public record, or that people have placed (usually themselves) on social media, or archived in the MSM.

At best, pizzagate has without a doubt identified:
- people who attend diabolical ceremonies run by Marina Abramovic
- people who have a sick sense of humor about 'chickenlovers'
- the use of allegedly pedophilic symbols in some businesses (besta pizza) and charitable organizations: http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2016/12/pedophile-symbols-on-child-welfare-and.html

I should note that any of the organizations or individuals identified at some point in the 'investigation' can have explained themselves at any time. Why don't they?

Posted by: jihadi at December 07, 2016 08:29 PM (I64i9)

510 Thanks, JackStraw.

The baseless suggestion that the pizza parlor was a front for a child sex ring operated by Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton had been part of a fake news campaign circulating online before and after the general election.

I don't believe I've heard anybody suggest that Hillary Clinton "operated" a child sex ring.

I do find it interesting that the whole "fake news" meme started right around the time that people began talking about Pizzagate, which was of course set off by some of John Podesta's cryptic e-mails.

I would like to learn more about the shooter. If he's mentally unstable, it's highly unusual that he would fire shots without trying to hit anybody. But it does give the media an opportunity to say, "See? Fake news has consequences! Something must be done about it!"

Until I learn more about the guy, this smells like a false flag operation to me.

Posted by: rickl - THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU at December 07, 2016 08:32 PM (sdi6R)

511 I question the parenting of anybody who takes their kids into that restaurant with the disturbing "art" and advertisements posted throughout the place too.
Posted by: Bernette at December 07, 2016 08:03 PM (uDKz6)

Jake Tapper' s wife named Comet Pizza as one of her favorite restaurants to go to with her kids.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at December 07, 2016 08:40 PM (Om16U)

512
George Will wearing a bow tie tonight.
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Dinosaurs never learn......

MSM= BPD; that's my story and I'm sticking to it

Posted by: TJ Madison at December 07, 2016 09:14 PM (VExmM)

513 509 Realistically p-gate can not be 'proved' by online sleuths. People online can only identify connections via public record, or that people have placed (usually themselves) on social media, or archived in the MSM.

At best, pizzagate has without a doubt identified:
- people who attend diabolical ceremonies run by Marina Abramovic
- people who have a sick sense of humor about 'chickenlovers'
- the use of allegedly pedophilic symbols in some businesses (besta pizza) and charitable organizations: http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2016/12/pedophile-symbols-on-child-welfare-and.html

I should note that any of the organizations or individuals identified at some point in the 'investigation' can have explained themselves at any time. Why don't they?
Posted by: jihadi at December 07, 2016 08:29 PM (

Great points. And where are the law suits about falsely accusing them of these acts?

Why did the narrative "fake news" correspond with the viral outbreak on the internet over these pedophiles and sick fucks with pedophile fantasies and thoughts?

Why is the media invested so heavily in covering this story as way to protect people, who in the real world would be investigated.

Why are we being forced to accept the normalization of pedophilia, not just now but over the past decade at least?

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 10:02 PM (Dj5/i)

514 504 209 I just think the Podestas are creepy because of their Spirit Cooking stuff and Tony's creepy art collection. Not illegal, but after being told for years that people like Rick Santorum are supercreepy it is annoying that dabbling in satanic blood rituals for fun with celebrities (and also children present) and having pedo art is A-OK.

As someone said up-thread, with all the stuff that has come out recently, such as a former president being a regular visitor to an island known to have underage sex slaves, I'm left wondering how much some in the MSM know about this type of behavior in DC and why they never manage to cover it.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2016 06:23 PM (NOIQH)

Yep. And the "art" the Podestas collect is seriously sick stuff. They are complete nuts with tons of political power here. The Clintons have gathered the worst scumbags in the country and used them to destroy my party and many people's lives. If pizza gate hurts them, so be it.

I question the parenting of anybody who takes their kids into that restaurant with the disturbing "art" and advertisements posted throughout the place too.
Posted by: Bernette at December 07, 2016 08:03 PM (uDKz6)

Us little people would have our children taken away from us if we were reported to have art like that or expose children to art like that.

That dog don't hunt outside DC, NYC, Hollywood, and maybe a couple of other places in America. And if you had it, with or without children present, you would be investigated.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 10:06 PM (Dj5/i)

515 'Member Jerry Sandusky? Molested kids for decades, was investigated and cleared? It took a coach catching him buggering a kid in the showers to break that story. Sandusky ran a youth charity to cover his actions. I 'member.

So did Jimmy Saville.

Anybody cite to that photo posted on Instagram by the owner of Comet Ping Pong, the very gay James Alefantis, of a young guy holding a toddler with the hashtag "chickenlover"? Anyone care to explain that away innocently? Please, go on.

You know and I know if that was done to us or by us, we'd get a knock knock from CYS.

At best its a bunch of sick queers being "shocking" to the squares. And that's not even an excuse. Who would want their photo posted to the internet with that tag?

And Alefantis is upset people think he's a pedo? Wherever would they get that idea?

That was enough to raise my brow. Lot of other evidence that makes me think there is somethign rotten in the District of Columbia. But maybe Ace thinks that pic is a discussion about Chik Fil A.

Hey, he used to defend MeAgain. Now he doesn't. Maybe he'll come around.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at December 07, 2016 10:18 PM (nWmg2)

516 Posted by: SaltyDonnie at December 07, 2016 10:18 PM (nWmg2)

It is completely unfathomable that these people have not been investigated. Therefore. people can say innocent, but when you, me, and anybody who has seen these people's social networking sites and connections know that an investigation is warranted.

Also the head of the DOJ child crimes division (crimes involving children) is connected to these people. It's easy to find his name in a search of pizzagate.

Finally, the big picture for me and many of my ilk is this normalization of pedophilia that this clearly is. And I feel for the people that can't see that because they are so desensitized.


Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 07, 2016 11:57 PM (Dj5/i)

517 The same MSM that said Hillary had a 98% chance of winning now say Pizzagate has a 98% chance of being a hoax and fake news.

So you know.

Posted by: Mister Christopher (in Atlanta!) at December 08, 2016 01:28 AM (e9mZG)

518 If you want solid information about Pizzagate, look at David Seaman YouTube channel. This is a guy who has been in corporate media for 10 years and the same guy who was fired from HuffPo for reporting on Hillary's health. Well he is on Pizzagate and so are other reporters working through him.

Give his videos a listen, he makes a ton of sense and is sickened by this stuff. These sick fucks are not going to get away with it.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 08, 2016 02:18 AM (LiqBV)

519 "Johnny Appleseed? Lore... may have actually been a person who planted Apple Trees... we really don't know... "

Funniest part? The most likely candidate got the nickname not just from planting apple trees, but from insisting on planting them from seed and not grafting varieties. He was a member of a sect that considered grafting an act against the will of God.

And the apple variety he planted? Only really useful for cider; too sour for eating straight.
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Even funnier? He ended up one of the richest men in America. Water was dangerous along the trail, with people and livestock micturating in it constantly. Taverns would server cider. Every good site for a tavern had an orchard nearby, and rights to the crop could be bought on an annual basis...

Posted by: Old Toby at December 08, 2016 05:09 AM (TNnfe)

520 media delenda est. I'm just sayin.

Posted by: vivi at December 08, 2016 07:52 AM (11H2y)

521 If you're really concerned about the normalization of pedophilia, what's your opinion of the fact that one of the cob's names refers to a sex toy owned by an adolescent elementary school-age cartoon character? Just curious

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 08, 2016 07:59 AM (TP05e)

522 Excellent post.

The "Mainstream" "News" Media whining about fake news is like Black Lives Matters whining about racism.

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at December 08, 2016 08:46 AM (V71z9)

523 8- The circumstantial "evidence" such as Podesta brothers "looking like" drawing of accused pedos, etc

Then I can see WHY the theory has developed.


One of the police sketches of the suspects in the Madeline McCann disappearance case is an image of John Podesta. It looks as if it had been painted from life, i.e. he had sat for the portrait. That artwork was done years ago.

Posted by: kallisto at December 08, 2016 10:04 AM (jkmtt)

524 >>>One of the police sketches of the suspects in the Madeline McCann disappearance case is an image of John Podesta. It looks as if it had been painted from life, i.e. he had sat for the portrait. That artwork was done years ago.
Posted by: kallisto at December 08, 2016 10:04 AM (jkmtt)

Debunked repeatedly. Two witnesses described a man between 20 and 40. John Podesta was 58 in 2007. This is ridiculous.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 08, 2016 10:13 AM (J73Jf)

525 Late to the party, but something I just read is relevant. This behavior is not new. Search for "Orwell As I Please Jan 12 1945". The last two sections are directly applicable here. "Reputable" news probably never has existed.

Posted by: George LeS at December 08, 2016 11:13 AM (+TcCF)

526 Debunked repeatedly. Two witnesses described a man between 20 and 40. John Podesta was 58 in 2007. This is ridiculous.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 08, 2016 10:13 AM (J73Jf)


What's to debunk, it's an image that's there for the world to see.
Did you see the image?

http://tinyurl.com/hhgshyr

Two witnesses described a man between 20 and 40

Also - there really are people alive today even - who look really young for their age.

Posted by: kallisto at December 08, 2016 11:19 AM (jkmtt)

527 >>>Two witnesses described a man between 20 and 40

Also - there really are people alive today even - who look really young for their age.

Posted by: kallisto at December 08, 2016 11:19 AM (jkmtt)

Call Scotland Yard then and tell them to have the two witnesses turn on the TV or something. Or don't you love the children?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 08, 2016 11:23 AM (J73Jf)

528 Hey, Banana Splits Guy, those efits were *drawn* by Scotland Yard, and they weren't drawn from any stupid eyewitness testimony. They were drawn from photos of the Podestas as a wink to the Americans. Scotland Yard already said they can't do anything about the situation because of international law. Highly suggestive. The elites know each other's dirt. The Podestas know that Prince Andrew got horizontal with underage girls on Epstein's Island and Prince Andrew knows that the Podestas paid someone to kidnap this girl. The efits are "ha ha, caught you sucka!" If some girl escaped from Epstein's island and said she was abused by a guy with an an English accent, the FBI would crack out a photo of Prince Andrew and release a sketch of it and have a laugh.

Posted by: Hummina Weiner at December 08, 2016 12:08 PM (QO5Vv)

529 524 Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 08, 2016 10:13 AM (J73Jf)
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The photos of the Bros. Podesta that match those are creepily accurate. Period. I'm not investigating the case, so I can't say anymore than that. More evidence is needed to actually link them to that, but the resemblance alone is freaky.

But hey, what about that chickenlover photo I mentioned from Alefantis' own Instagram? What's the scoop on that one? Would you want a photo of you out there with that on it? Help a brother out here, tell me the actual, "rational" explanation for it. And tell me why Alefantis should be upset people thinks he plays with kids.

CYS stomps on people for less.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at December 08, 2016 12:16 PM (i6shs)

530 521- Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 08, 2016 07:59 AM (TP05e)
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Lawrence v. Texas legalized homosexual behavior, gay acts, as consensual and non-harmful between adults. Then gays quickly spun that into a"born that way" orientation argument, and are gaining legal protections because of it. The courts and legislature is rushing full speed to protect sexual orientation as a protected class like race. Pedos argue that they are a sexual orientation, not an act. After all, homosexuality used to be a criminal act too, huh? So, we protect one type and not another, legally? Good one.

Harm to children? Here comes the flood of "experts" to say no harm, no foul, sexual mentors, society's attitude creates the harm, etc.

And legalizing pedo is as unfortunately easy as eliminating statutory sexual assault laws. Then its an 11 years old word against an adults. No strict liability offense standard anymore.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at December 08, 2016 12:22 PM (i6shs)

531 >>>Posted by: Hummina Weiner at December 08, 2016 12:08 PM (QO5Vv)

Any proof for any of that? Or is it story time?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 08, 2016 12:25 PM (J73Jf)

532 SaltyDonny, those sketches are creepily accurate because they aren't eyewitness sketches. They're straight up from photos, including Tony's facial mole and John's nose indentations from wearing glasses. No eyewitness testimony would have those details. They were just a way for the Europeans to say we know how this went down even if we can't do anything about it.

Posted by: Hummina Weiner at December 08, 2016 12:26 PM (QO5Vv)

533 >>>Posted by: SaltyDonnie at December 08, 2016 12:16 PM (i6shs)

You do realize you're on a blog where one of the cobs is Charlie Brown's Dildo right? Where there was an entire thread joking about how big our boners were?? Do you really want to start a witch hunt based off weak tea?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 08, 2016 12:28 PM (J73Jf)

534 All news about the elites has to be gotten from reading tea leaves. There will never be any real news or "proof" about them because the cops and reporters report to them. Why is this so hard to understand? Al Capone ran Chicago until the Feds came in. What if the Feds reported to Capone?

Posted by: Hummina Weiner at December 08, 2016 12:35 PM (QO5Vv)

535 553 -Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 08, 2016 12:28 PM (J73Jf)
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Charlie Brown is a fictional character. I don't see his picture holding a child and a term for pedo. I don't give a f*ck about his nic. And I'm not asking for people to hang them from lamp posts, so don't read into anything I wrote other than what I wrote. Answer my questions posted, please. Leave the straw for the barn.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at December 08, 2016 12:58 PM (i6shs)

536 How long have you known that chickenlover is a term for pedo?
Is this common knowledge?
How many of the 16000+ photos on Instagram tagged chickenlover are pedos?
Should private citizens have to explain their Instagram tags to anyone on the planet who asks?
Do you have an Instagram feed?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 08, 2016 01:19 PM (3eNDd)

537 536 - Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 08, 2016 01:19 PM (3eNDd)

I'm a lawyer and I represent police, so yes, I was familiar with the term from before this issue arose.

I know Instagram, and have visited it. Alefantis himself posted the picture to Instagram with the tag on his own account. It wasn't done to him, or posted by another. See some of his other posts dripping with sexual innuendo, including ones referenced to his pizza business? I did. That establishs a course of conduct/behavior, beyond just a one-off post. A sick queer playing games with the squares, using offensive terms? Maybe. But as Dave Chappelle joked, that woman wearing tight shit with her ass hanging out in the club may not actually be a whore, but she is wearing a whore's uniform. So don't be surprised when people get that impression about ya.

That picture referenced has zero association to chicken on it face. And the average person that casually sees it may not know the term. That doesn't mean the term doesn't have that meaning, only that the viewer is ignorant of it. But what about the very gay Alefantis' circle of associates? I'm sure other gays know damn well what that term means.

16000+ photos on Instagram tagged chickenlover? Really? Might be worth a look to see what the photos are of exactly, and which are and which aren't associated. Context matters. Are they attached to creepy pictures of kids and adults like Alefantis' are? Then they might be worth a second look.

Don't confuse curiosity with obsession. Don't confuse concern with a lynch mob. Law enforcement and media need facts to accuse people, especially to convict, but if they also lacking motivation, curiosity and imagination to investigate, they are less than useless.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at December 08, 2016 01:37 PM (i6shs)

538 Okay. Wake me up when you have some evidence.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 08, 2016 01:42 PM (J73Jf)

539 Banana Splits Guy, if everyone says "wake me up when you have some evidence" at the same time, then everyone stays asleep. It's called a "deadlock".
There will only be circumstantial evidence that a restaurant is being run as a front. That's the purpose of the front. To destroy any evidence that's not circumstantial. An absurd amount of money and influence passes through this pizza shop owned by the (ex?) boyfriend of Hillary's unscrupulous hatchet man David Brock. Pizza man is rated #39 on GQ's list of most influential Washingtonians? His pizza's that good? Sure is fishy.

Posted by: Hummina Weiner at December 08, 2016 02:26 PM (QO5Vv)

540 Posted by: SaltyDonnie at December 08, 2016 01:37 PM (i6shs)

I'm very impressed with your posts, knowledge, reasoning, and logic. And I'm also thankful for them because I've done the research as well, and as a father and a human being I know something stinks and needs to be investigated.

So as a lawyer who represents police, you said you had inside knowledge about terms used. I will assume symbols and codes as well, which I will also assume the police do not leak to the public because it would risk on going investigations. (If I'm wrong then tell me, I'm going by what has been leaked out and by what others have obtained from shady sites that exist who have 1 million times the computer skills than I do to investigate without getting caught).

So my question is this. People want evidence in the form of a child testifying is what I'm gathering. Is it not against the law to release testimony of a child describing sex acts and being abused by adults for not only the protection of the child, but also because sick people out there would get off on hearing such testimony or getting hold of any evidence pertaining to abusing children in a sexual and/or ritualistic manner? Also, don't the media have moral and ethical duties as well as laws to follow not to release such evidence to the public? Shouldn't this be common sense for the people asking for "evidence"?

I would be shocked if such evidence was not locked away in a vault in Fort Knox like security so I'd appreciate to hear your take on this.

Thanks for your time and God Bless

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 08, 2016 02:32 PM (8wEhr)

541 >>?Pizza man is rated #39 on GQ's list of most influential Washingtonians? His pizza's that good? Sure is fishy.
Posted by: Hummina Weiner at December 08, 2016 02:26 PM (QO5Vv)

You realize there's another restaurateur and party planners on the list as well, right? Are they all pedos? Sex magickers?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at December 08, 2016 02:58 PM (J73Jf)

542 Banana Splits Guy
Jimmy Comet is not Keith McNally or Danny Meyer who have a dozen plus restaurants to their name. He has a shitty ass pizza place that opens at 5:00 PM and closes around midnight or two if the house bands "Heavy Breathing" or "Sex Stains" are playing, yet is a multimillionaire. He has pedophilic murals on the wall of his "family restaurant". The graffiti in the bathroom of this "family restaurant" says "Shut up and f*ck!" and no one cleans it up. I'm On his social media Jimmy has photos of babies covered in cash. He has pictures of babies referring to one of them at "ho-tard" meaning hot but sort of retarded looking. Who says that about a baby? He has photos of kids duct taped to ping pong tables and laughs about it.. He's friends with Podesta who was friends with at least 4 confirmed pedos like Hastert, Epstein, Weiner, Freud. None of this is enough to convict him, but the suspicion surrounding him is his own fucking fault.

Posted by: Hummina Weiner at December 08, 2016 06:51 PM (QO5Vv)

543 Hillary is 4 years late. The election in 2012 was influenced by "fake news". Anyone ever heard of s news story about how an offensive YouTube video sparked the 9/11/2012 Bengazi attacks in which 4 good men were murdered?

Posted by: Mickey at December 09, 2016 07:32 AM (s2Dos)

544 There actually are liberal Democrats, who are creating fake alt-right news, with the purpose of then claiming conservatives are creating fake news. They really are going deep down the rabbit hole to spread their false narratives. It seems they've forgotten that bearing false witness is a sin that a lot of people don't like.

I'd post the link to NPR's article but this site doesn't allow it - so search on "We Tracked Down a Fake-News Creator In the Suburbs. Here's What We Learned" by Laura Sydel at npr.org dated November 23, 2016 (just before Thanksgiving). I have to give NPR's Sydell credit for actually doing some investigating and reporting it when it didn't fit the liberal narrative.

Besides, the fake narrative of fake news was to distract from all the real news from Wikileaks, that they wanted to ignore. Information they claimed was stolen or may have been changed, without providing a single example, well because they didn't have any, showing yet another lie the MSM repeated without pointing out they didn't have any example, showing the MSM was happy to spread their lie.

Posted by: MoreFreedom at December 09, 2016 09:43 AM (5QZE9)

545 Fake news is a fucking joke, its the new narrative by the left to deflect criticism from Her. Her wants to run again in 2020 (no I do not know that has a fact but it's Her and with an ego like that do you doubt me?). The left must construct any and all narratives that allow for their base to believe the election was "stolen" by some combination of the following: fascist, fake news, Comey, Russians, and voter suppression. All the signs are there starting with the ridiculous statement by Palmieri that Trump won because he pulled a Hitler and mobilized this army of fascists as a new voting block, to Her saying yesterday fake news has real world consequences (rich coming from someone who lied to the American public about the reason for the death of 4 Americans). Her must convince her base it's not Her but them i.e. fake news, Nazis, voter ID laws, anything, in order to keep anyone from running against Her in 2020. Doubt me look what happened to Crazy Uncle Joe after Her got a hold of him he went from I'm running in 20 to all options are open which is code for I'm not crossing Her. This is the left power at any cost. You want to know why the Republicans lost in 08 and 12 because two pussies did not have the balls to point out the truth which is they (left) all lie and will do and say anything to win. There is no nobility, humility, or compassion on the left only the need for power and they will use any means necessary.

Posted by: Mark at December 09, 2016 10:05 AM (nFEwp)

546 Speaking of fake news from the MSM: http://bit.ly/2gjjpYU

Posted by: Jon at December 09, 2016 01:09 PM (a6t9/)

547 Myself and the vast majority of my fellow Alabamians are embarrassed that the SPLC is in our state. We want them out.

Posted by: georgehr3 at December 09, 2016 08:51 PM (cG0rc)

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