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Opinion: David Petraeus Is Not Fit to be Secretary of State, Nor to Serve in Any Capacity in an Administration
I didn't have strong feelings about this one way or the other, but The Federalist's Christine Brim has pushed me into the #NeverPetraeus camp.
Petraeus's positions have been identical to Clinton’s for years, possibly up to the moment last week when he entered Trump Tower for his meeting with the President-Elect. Petraeus as Secretary of State is Hillary Clinton in a better pantsuit. And that's why Petraeus is not just a bad choice for Secretary of State--he's a bad choice for any other cabinet position. He brings too much baggage, a damaged brand, and a long history of lying. He lied to the FBI and CIA about his handling of classified documents; he lied to his wife about his mistress; he lied to Congress about Benghazi. Why should Trump's transition team assume he’s telling them the truth now? ... Petraeus's first impulse is to silence any criticism of Islam that could upset his Middle East clients. When he was commander of CENTCOM, those clients were the Islamic nations in the CENTCOM region. Not much changed when he joined the global financial firm KKR in 2013, as a "door opener" to Kazakhstan, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and everyone else he had previously courted in his official government role. But then in December 2015, Trump suggested a temporary ban on Muslim immigration. Petraeus's Muslim clients went ballistic...Definitely read the whole thing. Petraeus is a Hard Nope for me, with a bonus GFY added.
Petraeus's op-ed reached CAIR-levels of outrage, scolding "those who flirt with hate speech against Muslims," "those who demonize and denigrate Islam," and "demonizing a religious faith and its adherents." A bravura finger-wagging performance, the op-ed also served as a timely audition for a future Clinton administration, with Petraeus warning "It is precisely because the danger of Islamist extremism is so great that politicians here and abroad who toy with anti-Muslim bigotry must consider the effects of their rhetoric." ... As Catherine Herridge of FOX News reported, House Intelligence Committee members claimed then-CIA Director Petraeus misled them when he testified on September 14, 2012, two days after the Benghazi attack. Petraeus blamed the attack on a spontaneous protest against the internet video, though the Obama administration knew that it was a planned terrorist attack. Petraeus also claimed that the mortar rounds landing at the Annex in Benghazi could not be evidence that terrorism was involved, when intelligence experts had reported just the opposite. He was under investigation at the time by the FBI for his earlier mishandling of classified information, which created concerns that his testimony was influenced by the Administration.
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Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 06, 2016 12:17 PM (xeeHA)
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Hi?
Posted by: Kevin C at December 06, 2016 12:18 PM (9khZC)
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I'm with you. I'd rather we had someone that doesn't have a history of sharing classified information as SecState.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at December 06, 2016 12:18 PM (sp6+W)
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"House Intelligence Committee members claimed then-CIA Director Petraeus misled them when he testified on September 14, 2012, two days after the Benghazi attack. Petraeus blamed the attack on a spontaneous protest against the internet video, though the Obama administration knew that it was a planned terrorist attack."
Shit. Yeah, he doesn't need to be anywhere near a government position ever again if that's the case.
Sad. There were a lot of people who liked and respected Petraeus.
Shit. Yeah, he doesn't need to be anywhere near a government position ever again if that's the case.
Sad. There were a lot of people who liked and respected Petraeus.
Posted by: Toastrider at December 06, 2016 12:18 PM (MbjKe)
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High!
Posted by: Kevin C at December 06, 2016 12:18 PM (9khZC)
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I couldn't believe he was actually considered, particularly after the Clinton email server issue. He got off easy too.
Posted by: TSGSJeremy at December 06, 2016 12:19 PM (/Rfmk)
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If only we could appoint General Mattis to multiple positions.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 06, 2016 12:19 PM (xeeHA)
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Petraeus is the opposite of draining the swamp.
Posted by: Chupacabra at December 06, 2016 12:19 PM (u+PLX)
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Bolton Bolton Bolton Bolton. No one else is as qualified.
Posted by: Jaimo at December 06, 2016 12:20 PM (9U1OG)
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He's a no for me too - for many reasons, including the ones you highlighted.
That being said, I don't really care too much who fills this position.
That being said, I don't really care too much who fills this position.
Posted by: SH at December 06, 2016 12:20 PM (gmeXX)
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OT: Ace, are you ever going to address Pizzagate, or is that topic verboten? Haven't even seen a link about the nutjob from Sunday, but the media has been hammering this one hard with their "fake news" narrative. I see Media Matters has suddenly declared it's no longer going after Fox News, and is now battling "Fake News"...which is interesting timing considering that David Brock is one of the key figures of suspicion in Pizzagate.
Posted by: S at December 06, 2016 12:21 PM (YtzJ5)
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The question I want someone to ask Petraeus in public is "During your military career, how many soldiers under your command have you prosecuted for marital infidelity under UCMJ?"
The question I want someone to ask Petraeus in public is "During your military career, how many soldiers under your command have you prosecuted for marital infidelity under UCMJ?"
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 06, 2016 12:21 PM (XWkhW)
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I heard John Bolton effortlessly mock the silly "One China" policy on WMAL this morning. I hope he is picked.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 06, 2016 12:21 PM (OD2ni)
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There are plenty of qualified people who could do this job, without the history of abetting lies about Benghazi.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 06, 2016 12:22 PM (U75nN)
Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at December 06, 2016 12:23 PM (toH8T)
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Seconded
Posted by: MTF at December 06, 2016 12:24 PM (LISuA)
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Petraeus's first impulse is to silence any criticism of Islam that could upset his Middle East clients.
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That is disqualifier number two, after the lies about Libya.
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That is disqualifier number two, after the lies about Libya.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 06, 2016 12:25 PM (U75nN)
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Besides Marshall, have there been many generals who served as Sec of State? I would think being a general would not necessarily be a good fit for SOS. Marshall was unique because of the diplomacy he had to conduct to lead the war effort.
Posted by: SH at December 06, 2016 12:25 PM (gmeXX)
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It's be like Trump wanting Hillary in that position - NOPE NOPE NOPE.
I do think one of the things that drives Trump is his wish that his foes bow down to him once he's vanquished them. He enjoys the Lamentations. He dangles the prize out for them, they grovel, he does whatever he was going to do in the first place.
Also, I hope it's Bolton.
I do think one of the things that drives Trump is his wish that his foes bow down to him once he's vanquished them. He enjoys the Lamentations. He dangles the prize out for them, they grovel, he does whatever he was going to do in the first place.
Also, I hope it's Bolton.
Posted by: Memories at December 06, 2016 12:25 PM (mwcEF)
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#NeverPetraeus is right. I saw a recent picture of him and, color me silly, I looked into his eyes and I saw weasel not to be trusted. I saw same look in Bill Clinton's eyes when he was a candidate for president.
Posted by: oddnot at December 06, 2016 12:26 PM (g1MTt)
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Worse, I think he was set up by the left. The chick, married to a handsome doctor, went on to work with Deedee Myers.
They played him and ruined him so that he couldn't run against Hillary. The Clintons busily eliminated every person they thought might challenge her and win.
Petraeus fell for it, which means, he can't be trusted. Gotta be able to recognized the enemy.
They played him and ruined him so that he couldn't run against Hillary. The Clintons busily eliminated every person they thought might challenge her and win.
Petraeus fell for it, which means, he can't be trusted. Gotta be able to recognized the enemy.
Posted by: dagny at December 06, 2016 12:27 PM (a3mAZ)
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He dangles the prize out for them, they grovel, he does whatever he was going to do in the first place.
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This is my biggest mark against Mitt. I'd rather not have someone in that position who is as transparent a groveler as Mitt has been the past month.
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This is my biggest mark against Mitt. I'd rather not have someone in that position who is as transparent a groveler as Mitt has been the past month.
Posted by: SH at December 06, 2016 12:27 PM (gmeXX)
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Wait. Wait.
We're analyzing someone's positions and viewpoint and judging fitness for a position based on substantive concerns?
We're allowed to do that?
YOU PEOPLE NEVER TELL ME ANYTHING!
We're analyzing someone's positions and viewpoint and judging fitness for a position based on substantive concerns?
We're allowed to do that?
YOU PEOPLE NEVER TELL ME ANYTHING!
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at December 06, 2016 12:28 PM (mf5HN)
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He needs to fade away.
Posted by: jukin Former Republican at December 06, 2016 12:28 PM (u5Xhx)
Posted by: Fritz at December 06, 2016 12:28 PM (2Mnv1)
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DISNEY IS LOOKING TO SELL ESPN AND MAYBE ABC OR CUT TIES WITH THEM IN A SPIN OFF BECAUSE ESPN IS SO TOXIC!!!
Oh and Fuck Petraeus.
Oh and Fuck Petraeus.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 12:28 PM (Gl29c)
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Petraeus's first impulse is to silence any criticism of Islam that could upset his Middle East clients.
PRECISELY.
Petraeus as head of Centcom was the Taliban's speech enforcer.
Not who we need at State, now, or ever.
PRECISELY.
Petraeus as head of Centcom was the Taliban's speech enforcer.
Not who we need at State, now, or ever.
Posted by: blaster at December 06, 2016 12:29 PM (0+824)
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Yeah, I'm not a fan either.
Posted by: Tami at December 06, 2016 12:29 PM (Enq6K)
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His military judgement is also very very suspect.
He was fully onboard with all the crap Rules of Engagement which got our forces killed.
He was fully onboard with transitioning our Army from a Big Battle Army, to a counter insurgency Doctrine...
He is the epitome of the 'New Warrior' PC culture that came out of the Pentagon...
Note... Spies and Generals have totally different mindsets, and skill sets... yet he transitioned from Military to CIA???
Uh.... no...
He was fully onboard with all the crap Rules of Engagement which got our forces killed.
He was fully onboard with transitioning our Army from a Big Battle Army, to a counter insurgency Doctrine...
He is the epitome of the 'New Warrior' PC culture that came out of the Pentagon...
Note... Spies and Generals have totally different mindsets, and skill sets... yet he transitioned from Military to CIA???
Uh.... no...
Posted by: Don Q. at December 06, 2016 12:30 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: Rod Stewart at December 06, 2016 12:30 PM (MlLtD)
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Always, always add the GFY at the end.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 06, 2016 12:30 PM (mNKIJ)
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"No" to Petraeus.
"No" to Mitt
"No" to Corker
"No" to Ivanka
"No" ^ umpteenth power to #ManBearPig
At least they'll have Kelly Ayotte to keep them company on the Island of Misfit Politicos
"No" to Petraeus.
"No" to Mitt
"No" to Corker
"No" to Ivanka
"No" ^ umpteenth power to #ManBearPig
At least they'll have Kelly Ayotte to keep them company on the Island of Misfit Politicos
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Gob-Smacked Rage Monkeys (Suck It, NR!) at December 06, 2016 12:30 PM (fOgSR)
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>>..Petraeus misled them when he testified on September 14, 2012, two days
after the Benghazi attack. Petraeus blamed the attack on a spontaneous
protest against the internet video, though the Obama administration knew
that it was a planned terrorist attack.
Always figured he did this because Obama was holding the mistress and mishandling of classified docs over his head. Obama likes compromised people willing to dance to his tune. And then Obama burned him anyway.
Yeah, pass on Petreaus.
after the Benghazi attack. Petraeus blamed the attack on a spontaneous
protest against the internet video, though the Obama administration knew
that it was a planned terrorist attack.
Always figured he did this because Obama was holding the mistress and mishandling of classified docs over his head. Obama likes compromised people willing to dance to his tune. And then Obama burned him anyway.
Yeah, pass on Petreaus.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 06, 2016 12:30 PM (NOIQH)
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Petraeus fits in the Obama admin.
'Nuff said
'Nuff said
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 06, 2016 12:30 PM (Om16U)
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I think it's a good thing that President-elect Trump is taking his time filling Secretary of State, rather than just tossing it to the first party hack in line as Obama did, twice.
That's an office with a lot of power for good or ill, and the last two chumps to haunt it no doubt have left a lot of skeevy deals to get quashed.
Because, I'm sorry; anybody trying to make the case that Hillary Clinton and John Kerry aren't anything but connected dimwits gets stared at, and then laughed at.
That's an office with a lot of power for good or ill, and the last two chumps to haunt it no doubt have left a lot of skeevy deals to get quashed.
Because, I'm sorry; anybody trying to make the case that Hillary Clinton and John Kerry aren't anything but connected dimwits gets stared at, and then laughed at.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at December 06, 2016 12:30 PM (nd1zx)
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I was not a fan back when it wasn't popular . I thought the surge credit he got was overblown and that his strategy only worked as a result of the efforts of the criticized big base strategy. That strategy decimated the insurgency enough that allowed the small units to fight and stay later on.
Anyway, he's always been a Democrat and why would you want another Democrat as SOS?
Anyway, he's always been a Democrat and why would you want another Democrat as SOS?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2016 12:30 PM (lPDqu)
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Ewwww... off with you scottish sock!
Posted by: IP at December 06, 2016 12:30 PM (MlLtD)
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23 Wait. Wait.
We're analyzing someone's positions and viewpoint and judging fitness for a position based on substantive concerns?
We're allowed to do that?
YOU PEOPLE NEVER TELL ME ANYTHING!
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at December 06, 2016 12:28 PM (mf5HN)
He's a White Guy... its OK to criticize HIM...
We're analyzing someone's positions and viewpoint and judging fitness for a position based on substantive concerns?
We're allowed to do that?
YOU PEOPLE NEVER TELL ME ANYTHING!
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at December 06, 2016 12:28 PM (mf5HN)
He's a White Guy... its OK to criticize HIM...
Posted by: Don Q. at December 06, 2016 12:31 PM (qf6WZ)
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No muzzie ass-kissers wanted.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 06, 2016 12:31 PM (MiBfH)
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https://tinyurl.com/jekf8qy
Secretary of State John Bolton Would Be the Anti-John Kerry
From Last Thread
Secretary of State John Bolton Would Be the Anti-John Kerry
From Last Thread
Posted by: Evilpens at December 06, 2016 12:31 PM (y3aQB)
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John Bolton's mustache --- waxed, rested, and ready --- will become Secretary of State and strike fear into the hearts of America's enemies.
Posted by: My Ridiculously Circuitous Plan at December 06, 2016 12:31 PM (EIB5Y)
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I do think one of the things that drives Trump is his wish that his foes bow down to him once he's vanquished them. He enjoys the Lamentations. He dangles the prize out for them, they grovel, he does whatever he was going to do in the first place.
Also, I hope it's Bolton.
Posted by: Memories at December 06, 2016 12:25 PM (mwcEF)
Actually, it's prudent to utterly destroy your enemies. The Machiavellian thing of "never do your enemy a small injury". I think the Magic Scalp Weasel really understands that maxim. And he's pulling it off in spades.
The fact that it's gratifying to see them groveling and humiliated is nice, but not the primary goal.
I do think one of the things that drives Trump is his wish that his foes bow down to him once he's vanquished them. He enjoys the Lamentations. He dangles the prize out for them, they grovel, he does whatever he was going to do in the first place.
Also, I hope it's Bolton.
Posted by: Memories at December 06, 2016 12:25 PM (mwcEF)
Actually, it's prudent to utterly destroy your enemies. The Machiavellian thing of "never do your enemy a small injury". I think the Magic Scalp Weasel really understands that maxim. And he's pulling it off in spades.
The fact that it's gratifying to see them groveling and humiliated is nice, but not the primary goal.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 06, 2016 12:31 PM (XWkhW)
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Know a former NCO who worked for Petraeus in the days before he was promoted to Centcom. Says Pet. is climber of the highest order. They called him Gen. "Betray-us"
Posted by: FreshG at December 06, 2016 12:31 PM (gMx9e)
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Agreed... I'm no fan of Patraeus...
Posted by: deplorable donna at December 06, 2016 12:31 PM (O2RFr)
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He's also a gun grabber. He has co-founded an organization with Mark Kelly that intends to push for so-called "sensible gun laws".
No thanks and GFY!
No thanks and GFY!
Posted by: Commissar M at December 06, 2016 12:32 PM (vcIHi)
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My nephew was on his staff in Iraq. Did not have a very high opinion of him.
Posted by: Caliban at December 06, 2016 12:32 PM (DrC22)
Posted by: L, Elle at December 06, 2016 12:32 PM (6IPEM)
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I'm not convinced Petraeus is a serious candidate. He is, however, a massive trap for Hillbots, who can't coherently argue he's unfit for SoS but Hillz was totes the right woman for the Presidency, yo.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at December 06, 2016 12:32 PM (9krrF)
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>>Worse, I think he was set up by the left. The chick, married to a handsome doctor, went on to work with Deedee Myers.
Oh man. F'ing Clintons. Suppose they did this because their usual option of an untimely accidental death was not as sure an option...
Oh man. F'ing Clintons. Suppose they did this because their usual option of an untimely accidental death was not as sure an option...
Posted by: Lizzy at December 06, 2016 12:32 PM (NOIQH)
50
"Worse, I think he was set up by the left. The chick, married to a handsome doctor, went on to work with Deedee Myers."
Understandable. Jill Kelley has a great rack.
Understandable. Jill Kelley has a great rack.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 06, 2016 12:32 PM (OD2ni)
51
41 John Bolton's mustache --- waxed, rested, and ready --- will become Secretary of State and strike fear into the hearts of America's enemies.
I was surprised to hear Krauthammer say Bolton would be His choice...
I was surprised to hear Krauthammer say Bolton would be His choice...
Posted by: deplorable donna at December 06, 2016 12:33 PM (O2RFr)
52
You know, once in a great, great while, we're actually right about something!
Even if we're just reflexively covering for some Donk scumball.
Even if we're just reflexively covering for some Donk scumball.
Posted by: MoveOn.org at December 06, 2016 12:33 PM (nd1zx)
53
Second look at Gen. Betray Us?
Posted by: Too soon? at December 06, 2016 12:33 PM (EFm8U)
54
I am more worried about Huntsman than Petraeus (although I assume both are head fakes). But yes, Petraeus is damaged good.
Posted by: Evi L. Bloggerlady at December 06, 2016 12:33 PM (4kTo2)
55
https://tinyurl.com/gtzn7zo
Former Defense Chief Leon Panetta: Congress Should Grant Mattis Waiver to Head Pentagon
Former Defense Chief Leon Panetta: Congress Should Grant Mattis Waiver to Head Pentagon
Posted by: Evilpens at December 06, 2016 12:33 PM (y3aQB)
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He had an affair while Director of Central Intelligence. The level of poor judgment you'd have to have to do that is staggering. It opens up the core of the most secret government functions to blackmail, at best. Your lover could be a spy or a dupe or an unwilling mole. You'd have to be 100% certain that you would HAVE to be caught, by any number of internal or external allies or foes.
Ok she looked like Rashida Jones and compared to his actual wife, she was a hard core 10/10. But still, dude, the Director of Central Intelligence, come on.
Ok she looked like Rashida Jones and compared to his actual wife, she was a hard core 10/10. But still, dude, the Director of Central Intelligence, come on.
Posted by: arminius at December 06, 2016 12:33 PM (382aI)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, what is a proud Nitwit Lion at December 06, 2016 12:33 PM (mgbwf)
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The nope is hard.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2016 12:34 PM (IqV8l)
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I want Bolton, too.
Posted by: holygoat at December 06, 2016 12:34 PM (EFm8U)
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Putting Petraeus in SoS vitiates all criticism of Hillary. No place in the admin for him.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at December 06, 2016 12:34 PM (RD7QR)
61
11 OT: Ace, are you ever going to address Pizzagate, or is that topic verboten? Haven't even seen a link about the nutjob from Sunday, but the media has been hammering this one hard with their "fake news" narrative. I see Media Matters has suddenly declared it's no longer going after Fox News, and is now battling "Fake News"...which is interesting timing considering that David Brock is one of the key figures of suspicion in Pizzagate.
Posted by: S at December 06, 2016 12:21 PM (YtzJ5)
Pizzagate is not going away. Furthermore. It is high school through 39 yr olds that are investigating and researching this and they are pissed off like myself.
Both parties are involved and have lost the influential voters for a generation over this along with the Clinton/Soros crimes.
Trump will take care of this. If not then he is a one term POTUS.
Posted by: S at December 06, 2016 12:21 PM (YtzJ5)
Pizzagate is not going away. Furthermore. It is high school through 39 yr olds that are investigating and researching this and they are pissed off like myself.
Both parties are involved and have lost the influential voters for a generation over this along with the Clinton/Soros crimes.
Trump will take care of this. If not then he is a one term POTUS.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 12:34 PM (Gl29c)
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I hated General BetrayUs with a throbbing, veiny passion back before it was cool!!!
Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at December 06, 2016 12:35 PM (L6hqr)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at December 06, 2016 12:35 PM (1JnAL)
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He had an affair while Director of Central Intelligence. The level of poor judgment you'd have to have to do that is staggering. It opens up the core of the most secret government functions to blackmail, at best. Your lover could be a spy or a dupe or an unwilling mole. You'd have to be 100% certain that you would HAVE to be caught, by any number of internal or external allies or foes.
Ok she looked like Rashida Jones and compared to his actual wife, she was a hard core 10/10. But still, dude, the Director of Central Intelligence, come on.
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That's pretty much it. DQ.
Ok she looked like Rashida Jones and compared to his actual wife, she was a hard core 10/10. But still, dude, the Director of Central Intelligence, come on.
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That's pretty much it. DQ.
Posted by: SH at December 06, 2016 12:36 PM (gmeXX)
65
Baby, it's cold out-side...
Posted by: David "Toss My Salad" Petraeus at December 06, 2016 12:36 PM (97XyN)
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How about Dana Rohrabacher? He's not into nation building and Trump wouldn't have to worry about loyalty issues with him. Bolton is much better then Petreaus, but a little too sympathetic to the whole nation building thing if you ask me.
Charles C. Johnson makes the case here:
http://tinyurl.com/zqfuuxg
Charles C. Johnson makes the case here:
http://tinyurl.com/zqfuuxg
Posted by: Independent George at December 06, 2016 12:36 PM (BDZWU)
67
He is also burdened with setting up a new gun control group with Mark Kelly. No thanks, General.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 06, 2016 12:36 PM (TnUKj)
68
Word is that Petraeus and Huntsman are non-starters and the Rudy is fading. Huntsman may have been interviewed only to fuck with Romney.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 06, 2016 12:36 PM (SIY7D)
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1. "Secretary of State John Bolton"
2. "Never to Hear Petraeus' Name Again"
3. "Mitt Romney's Public Castigation and Permanent Exile"
4. "Secretary of Any/Everything Else Sarah Palin"
5. "Secretary of State John Bolton"
Christmas list , in progress...
1. "Secretary of State John Bolton"
2. "Never to Hear Petraeus' Name Again"
3. "Mitt Romney's Public Castigation and Permanent Exile"
4. "Secretary of Any/Everything Else Sarah Palin"
5. "Secretary of State John Bolton"
Christmas list , in progress...
Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at December 06, 2016 12:37 PM (toH8T)
70
Trump had his SoS picked since the first day after the election. He's having too much fun jacking with the MFM to name him right now.
Posted by: Soona at December 06, 2016 12:37 PM (Fmupd)
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4. "Secretary of Any/Everything Else Sarah Palin"
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My wish is that she is always the Designated Survivor.
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My wish is that she is always the Designated Survivor.
Posted by: SH at December 06, 2016 12:37 PM (gmeXX)
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FreshG @43:
"Says Pet. is climber of the highest order."
The difference in quality between the ~10% of colonels who'll ever get that star and the next 10% is hard to detect. They make it on politics and ambition.
Some of them happen to be great leaders, too. General Mattis certainly seems to be one, and I know the Army has some.
"Says Pet. is climber of the highest order."
The difference in quality between the ~10% of colonels who'll ever get that star and the next 10% is hard to detect. They make it on politics and ambition.
Some of them happen to be great leaders, too. General Mattis certainly seems to be one, and I know the Army has some.
Posted by: JPS at December 06, 2016 12:38 PM (a3jG8)
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He is a convicted criminal. Yes he plead down to a misdemeanor, but he was still convicted for mishandling classified documents. And all because he couldn't keep his pecker in his pants. F'him.
Posted by: Mr. Mxyzptlk at December 06, 2016 12:39 PM (GWVcB)
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Petraeus wrote the book on COIN. It's part of the AFM. So you may want to get off of that particular criticism because it oozes ignorance. There is no question it worked in Iraq and Afghanistan, just ask most of the men who served under him.
He's liberal in his positions but I blame his academic background for that. He would also serve at the presidents discretion. So that he would undertake his own policies is again, ignorant.
That said, I think there are better choices. But I wouldn't rule the General out for others. The people questioning his integrity need to get a life. You don't judge a man by his worst moments you judge him by the sum total of his life.
This reads me a piece written by someone with an axe to grind. We would never put up with that from liberals.
He's liberal in his positions but I blame his academic background for that. He would also serve at the presidents discretion. So that he would undertake his own policies is again, ignorant.
That said, I think there are better choices. But I wouldn't rule the General out for others. The people questioning his integrity need to get a life. You don't judge a man by his worst moments you judge him by the sum total of his life.
This reads me a piece written by someone with an axe to grind. We would never put up with that from liberals.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 12:39 PM (5XDZ6)
Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at December 06, 2016 12:39 PM (toH8T)
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Trump had his SoS picked since the first day after the election. He's having too much fun jacking with the MFM to name him right now.
Posted by: Soona at December 06, 2016 12:37 PM
*******
That's what I think too. I think Donald is enjoying having all his former critics show up and have to kiss the ring. Also, I think he is being respectful to the people around him who are floating names by sitting down with them and giving them a hearing
Posted by: Soona at December 06, 2016 12:37 PM
*******
That's what I think too. I think Donald is enjoying having all his former critics show up and have to kiss the ring. Also, I think he is being respectful to the people around him who are floating names by sitting down with them and giving them a hearing
Posted by: L, Elle at December 06, 2016 12:40 PM (6IPEM)
77
3 ex-generals in top positions is one (or two ) too many for me.
Trump has Mattis at Defense and Flynn as National Security Advisor.. that's enough generals...
He should have a civilian at State.. someone experienced in international business would be fine by me as opposed to career diplomats.
Trump has Mattis at Defense and Flynn as National Security Advisor.. that's enough generals...
He should have a civilian at State.. someone experienced in international business would be fine by me as opposed to career diplomats.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 06, 2016 12:40 PM (so+oy)
78
61 11 OT: Ace, are you ever going to address Pizzagate, or is that topic verboten? Haven't even seen a link about the nutjob from Sunday, but the media has been hammering this one hard with their "fake news" narrative. I see Media Matters has suddenly declared it's no longer going after Fox News, and is now battling "Fake News"...which is interesting timing considering that David Brock is one of the key figures of suspicion in Pizzagate.
Posted by: S at December 06, 2016 12:21 PM (YtzJ5)
Pizzagate is not going away. Furthermore. It is high school through 39 yr olds that are investigating and researching this and they are pissed off like myself.
Both parties are involved and have lost the influential voters for a generation over this along with the Clinton/Soros crimes.
Trump will take care of this. If not then he is a one term POTUS.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 12:34 PM (Gl29c)
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I read a really great article a few hours ago about Snopes and the NYT debunking #pizzagate in which they don't really debunk anything about it but merely proclaim it is fake news. I'm not saying I fully buy into it but the fact the mainstream media seems desperate for this to go away raises red flags for me. I think it is something worth looking into.
Article here:
https://aceloewgold.com/2016/11/26/the-new-york-times-snopes-was-pizzagate-debunked/
Posted by: S at December 06, 2016 12:21 PM (YtzJ5)
Pizzagate is not going away. Furthermore. It is high school through 39 yr olds that are investigating and researching this and they are pissed off like myself.
Both parties are involved and have lost the influential voters for a generation over this along with the Clinton/Soros crimes.
Trump will take care of this. If not then he is a one term POTUS.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 12:34 PM (Gl29c)
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I read a really great article a few hours ago about Snopes and the NYT debunking #pizzagate in which they don't really debunk anything about it but merely proclaim it is fake news. I'm not saying I fully buy into it but the fact the mainstream media seems desperate for this to go away raises red flags for me. I think it is something worth looking into.
Article here:
https://aceloewgold.com/2016/11/26/the-new-york-times-snopes-was-pizzagate-debunked/
Posted by: Independent George at December 06, 2016 12:40 PM (BDZWU)
79
Dana Rohrabacher turned down the Under Secretary of State because of Bolton because he said he refuses to serve under somebody Who will not advance Trump policies.
I don't get the Bolton love, except he calls Islam out for the homicidal and genocidal political doctrine that it is. Boltons positions in the past have not alligned with Trump.
I believe Trump wants somebody whom Dana Rohrabacher will serve under.
I don't get the Bolton love, except he calls Islam out for the homicidal and genocidal political doctrine that it is. Boltons positions in the past have not alligned with Trump.
I believe Trump wants somebody whom Dana Rohrabacher will serve under.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 12:40 PM (Gl29c)
80
12
The question I want someone to ask Petraeus in public is "During
your military career, how many soldiers under your command have you
prosecuted for marital infidelity under UCMJ?"
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 06, 2016 12:21 PM (XWkhW)
BINGO! His affair started in country, not just after he returned to the States. He was likely violating the infamous General Order Number One, while ending the careers of others who did the same. No cabinet position and I have long maintained, he should be recalled to active duty and face a courts-martial proceedings. If there is nothing there so be it, but I don't see a guy who is so dismissive of the rules as they apply to him, as taking a principled pause in his romantic leanings to his fan girl as he served in uniform. He is a smart guy, just not as smart, nor as savvy as he believes himself to be.
The question I want someone to ask Petraeus in public is "During
your military career, how many soldiers under your command have you
prosecuted for marital infidelity under UCMJ?"
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 06, 2016 12:21 PM (XWkhW)
BINGO! His affair started in country, not just after he returned to the States. He was likely violating the infamous General Order Number One, while ending the careers of others who did the same. No cabinet position and I have long maintained, he should be recalled to active duty and face a courts-martial proceedings. If there is nothing there so be it, but I don't see a guy who is so dismissive of the rules as they apply to him, as taking a principled pause in his romantic leanings to his fan girl as he served in uniform. He is a smart guy, just not as smart, nor as savvy as he believes himself to be.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at December 06, 2016 12:40 PM (7N6ox)
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I doubt Petraeus would take the job if offered.
He's smart enough to realize that being SoS under Trump would be like being the driver of a clown car.
He's smart enough to realize that being SoS under Trump would be like being the driver of a clown car.
Posted by: Bill Wynn at December 06, 2016 12:41 PM (+lAij)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Gob-Smacked Rage Monkeys (Suck It, NR!) at December 06, 2016 12:41 PM (fOgSR)
83
3 ex-generals in top positions is one (or two ) too many for me.
Trump has Mattis at Defense and Flynn as National Security Advisor.. that's enough generals...
He should have a civilian at State.. someone experienced in international business would be fine by me as opposed to career diplomats.
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Agree with that.
Trump has Mattis at Defense and Flynn as National Security Advisor.. that's enough generals...
He should have a civilian at State.. someone experienced in international business would be fine by me as opposed to career diplomats.
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Agree with that.
Posted by: SH at December 06, 2016 12:41 PM (gmeXX)
84
@74 His academic background? He went to West Point, he was an infantryman! I know, he studied and wrote a lot, but that doesn't make you a liberal. Being a liberal makes you a liberal.
Petraeus is the Taliban's speech enforcer. Plain and simple. Not who we need at State.
Petraeus is the Taliban's speech enforcer. Plain and simple. Not who we need at State.
Posted by: blaster at December 06, 2016 12:41 PM (0+824)
85
No cabinet position and I have long maintained, he should be recalled to active duty and face a courts-martial proceedings.
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Out of curiosity - why? Is there precedence for this?
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Out of curiosity - why? Is there precedence for this?
Posted by: SH at December 06, 2016 12:42 PM (gmeXX)
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Yeah I'm not fond of him in any positions, either. Odd anyone is even considering the dude.
But I expect a good half dozen of Trump's choices to be wild cards or guys I don't like.
But I expect a good half dozen of Trump's choices to be wild cards or guys I don't like.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 06, 2016 12:42 PM (39g3+)
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"He's smart enough to realize that being SoS under Trump would be like being the driver of a clown car.
Posted by: Bill Wyn"
Hi, are you a lifelong Republican like me?
Posted by: Bill Wyn"
Hi, are you a lifelong Republican like me?
Posted by: Bull Wynn at December 06, 2016 12:43 PM (OD2ni)
88
So, Brock is involved in Pizzagate? Makes sense; between Podesta and Brock, there's a truckload of creepiness.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 06, 2016 12:43 PM (ty7RM)
89
He dangles the prize out for them, they grovel, he does whatever he was going to do in the first place.
I think that's an unfortunate trait that Donald Trump has.
I think that's an unfortunate trait that Donald Trump has.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 06, 2016 12:44 PM (tOcW/)
90
Bill Wynn ith contherned.
Posted by: Iron Mike at December 06, 2016 12:44 PM (97XyN)
91
Whoever is appointed will have to deal with a sullen and hostile workforce. I hope they remember to watch their back and are successful in their job.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 06, 2016 12:44 PM (TnUKj)
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That said, I think there are better choices. But I wouldn't rule the General out for others. The people questioning his integrity need to get a life. You don't judge a man by his worst moments you judge him by the sum total of his life.
So if the sum total of his life up to Nov 1st was a 10, yet on November 2nd he comes out as a gun controller/anti 2nd Amendment, he's still cool because of the previous score?
Fuck that.
So if the sum total of his life up to Nov 1st was a 10, yet on November 2nd he comes out as a gun controller/anti 2nd Amendment, he's still cool because of the previous score?
Fuck that.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 06, 2016 12:44 PM (VtwaX)
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I believe Trump wants somebody whom Dana Rohrabacher will serve under.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 12:40 PM (Gl29c)
Why wouldn't he just make Dana Rohrabacher SoS?
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 12:40 PM (Gl29c)
Why wouldn't he just make Dana Rohrabacher SoS?
Posted by: Barky McFuckstick's Rogue Telepromter at December 06, 2016 12:45 PM (i0ykY)
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That said, I think there are better choices. But I
wouldn't rule the General out for others. The people questioning his
integrity need to get a life. You don't judge a man by his worst
moments you judge him by the sum total of his life.
This reads me a piece written by someone with an axe to grind. We would never put up with that from liberals.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 12:39 PM (5XDZ6)
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Quoting in full because such nonsense. As HRC shows, we should take her sum total and not her mishandling of classified info? Bleah.
Petraeus is scum with HRC.
wouldn't rule the General out for others. The people questioning his
integrity need to get a life. You don't judge a man by his worst
moments you judge him by the sum total of his life.
This reads me a piece written by someone with an axe to grind. We would never put up with that from liberals.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 12:39 PM (5XDZ6)
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Quoting in full because such nonsense. As HRC shows, we should take her sum total and not her mishandling of classified info? Bleah.
Petraeus is scum with HRC.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 06, 2016 12:45 PM (MIKMs)
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He's smart enough to realize that being SoS under Trump would be like being the driver of a clown car.
Posted by: Bill Wynn
Like You,,,
Posted by: Bill Wynn
Like You,,,
Posted by: deplorable donna at December 06, 2016 12:45 PM (O2RFr)
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Too many Generals? Jeb had 27 of them.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2016 12:45 PM (IqV8l)
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I never gave much thought to Petrayus' politics, and I guess this doesn't shock me.
I seriously question his judgment though, and whether or not he is a military genius or not seems to be of little importance to this job.
The email shenanigans alone should disqualify him for office. Period.
I seriously question his judgment though, and whether or not he is a military genius or not seems to be of little importance to this job.
The email shenanigans alone should disqualify him for office. Period.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 06, 2016 12:45 PM (TOk1P)
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What's with the CEO of an oil company being considered for State? Who is that?
Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at December 06, 2016 12:46 PM (Om16U)
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The email shenanigans alone should disqualify him for office. Period.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 06, 2016 12:45 PM (TOk1P)
Like Hillary?
The email shenanigans alone should disqualify him for office. Period.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 06, 2016 12:45 PM (TOk1P)
Like Hillary?
Posted by: deplorable donna at December 06, 2016 12:46 PM (O2RFr)
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87 "He's smart enough to realize that being SoS under Trump would be like being the driver of a clown car.
Posted by: Bill Wyn"
Hi, are you a lifelong Republican like me?
Posted by: Bull Wynn at December 06, 2016 12:43 PM (OD2ni)
And a member of the Chamber of Commerce!
Posted by: Bill Wyn"
Hi, are you a lifelong Republican like me?
Posted by: Bull Wynn at December 06, 2016 12:43 PM (OD2ni)
And a member of the Chamber of Commerce!
Posted by: Will Bynn at December 06, 2016 12:46 PM (RD7QR)
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The troll. It lives.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 06, 2016 12:46 PM (ty7RM)
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test
Posted by: lauraw at December 06, 2016 12:46 PM (K/zYU)
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He should have a civilian at State.. someone
experienced in international business would be fine by me as opposed to
career diplomats.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 06, 2016 12:40 PM (so+oy)
The Exxon CEO?
experienced in international business would be fine by me as opposed to
career diplomats.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 06, 2016 12:40 PM (so+oy)
The Exxon CEO?
Posted by: IC at December 06, 2016 12:46 PM (a0IVu)
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Petraeus: nope. Total scumbag.
The Boltonian Mustache of Power is the only candidate that SHOULD be considered.
The Boltonian Mustache of Power is the only candidate that SHOULD be considered.
Posted by: The Deplorable Stu-22 at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (rUc9h)
105
Brock's boyfriend/partner owns the pizza joint in question, right?
Not putting any credence in the story. Just that is the connection, I think.
Not putting any credence in the story. Just that is the connection, I think.
Posted by: blaster at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (0+824)
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Posted by: Independent George at December 06, 2016 12:40 PM (BDZWU)
Pizzagate is real. I've spent dozens of hours looking into it. It's all about the normalization of pedophilia and child trafficking but calling it religion or art.
They are terrified they will wind up in prison for life and if the law does not act to protect children then citizens have every right and would be justified in taking matters into their own hands.
As I said before, if you want to stay out of prison or keep your life, stop fucking with children in the manner that they are. This is Old Testament evil and it is the worst kind of evil.
Pizzagate is real. I've spent dozens of hours looking into it. It's all about the normalization of pedophilia and child trafficking but calling it religion or art.
They are terrified they will wind up in prison for life and if the law does not act to protect children then citizens have every right and would be justified in taking matters into their own hands.
As I said before, if you want to stay out of prison or keep your life, stop fucking with children in the manner that they are. This is Old Testament evil and it is the worst kind of evil.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (Gl29c)
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89 He dangles the prize out for them, they grovel, he does whatever he was going to do in the first place.
I think that's an unfortunate trait that Donald Trump has.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 06, 2016 12:44 PM (tOcW/)
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If they grovel, then they're showing that they're nothing but political leeches and deserve the disdain.
I think that's an unfortunate trait that Donald Trump has.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 06, 2016 12:44 PM (tOcW/)
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If they grovel, then they're showing that they're nothing but political leeches and deserve the disdain.
Posted by: Soona at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (Fmupd)
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I would actually MUCH prefer Mitt Romney to Petraeus as SoS.
The real power in foreign policy-making comes from the WH and Natl Security Council.
Anyone even remember who Nixon's SoS was during his first term? It didn't matter because Kissinger was the man.
Romney could play the super-civilized negotiator, the good cop. I could see that. So if--- (and that's a really big IF) --- one could forgive his nasty electoral-season behavior, he might be fine.
The real power in foreign policy-making comes from the WH and Natl Security Council.
Anyone even remember who Nixon's SoS was during his first term? It didn't matter because Kissinger was the man.
Romney could play the super-civilized negotiator, the good cop. I could see that. So if--- (and that's a really big IF) --- one could forgive his nasty electoral-season behavior, he might be fine.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (Nox3c)
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100 87 "He's smart enough to realize that being SoS under Trump would be like being the driver of a clown car.
Hillary drove a killer clown car .as SOS
Hillary drove a killer clown car .as SOS
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (tOcW/)
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>>So, Brock is involved in Pizzagate? Makes sense; between Podesta and Brock, there's a truckload of creepiness.
Both Podestas are super-creepy. It's Tony Podesta that has the icky art collection.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43480-2004Sep22.html
Both Podestas are super-creepy. It's Tony Podesta that has the icky art collection.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43480-2004Sep22.html
Posted by: Lizzy at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (NOIQH)
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"84 @74 His academic background? He went to West Point, he was an infantryman! I know, he studied and wrote a lot, but that doesn't make you a liberal. Being a liberal makes you a liberal. "
Don't hurt yourself. He has an MPA and PHD from Princeton and had a fellowship from Georgetown. He was at one point named one of the top 100 intellectuals in the world.
He's also an airborne infantry commander and Ranger.
Give me a break.
Don't hurt yourself. He has an MPA and PHD from Princeton and had a fellowship from Georgetown. He was at one point named one of the top 100 intellectuals in the world.
He's also an airborne infantry commander and Ranger.
Give me a break.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (5XDZ6)
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People I know who know and care say Petraeus was a good General and should have left it there.
"East Coast Liberal" is the nicest thing said.
But yeah, there are better choices available, the idea that Petraeus is needed to be a sop to the libs is not a good reason for choosing him for anything, except maybe head of the Post Office or Surgeon General
"East Coast Liberal" is the nicest thing said.
But yeah, there are better choices available, the idea that Petraeus is needed to be a sop to the libs is not a good reason for choosing him for anything, except maybe head of the Post Office or Surgeon General
Posted by: Kindltot at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (yLUuz)
113
Clinton ahead by 270% in Texas. Going to be an early night!
Posted by: Phil Bynn at December 06, 2016 12:48 PM (NF2Bf)
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>>He's smart enough to realize that being SoS under Trump would be like being the driver of a clown car.
>>Hillary drove a killer clown car .as SOS
And Hillary is the Smartest Woman Ever (tm), or so we've been told by the media...
>>Hillary drove a killer clown car .as SOS
And Hillary is the Smartest Woman Ever (tm), or so we've been told by the media...
Posted by: Lizzy at December 06, 2016 12:48 PM (NOIQH)
115
He's smart enough to realize that being SoS under Trump would be like being the driver of a clown car.
Posted by: Bill Wynn
Oh, are you still under the impression that your opinion matters?
Posted by: Bill Wynn
Oh, are you still under the impression that your opinion matters?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 06, 2016 12:48 PM (1G5R8)
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someone experienced in international business would be fine by me as opposed to career diplomats.
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Tanned , rested and not easily offended!
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Tanned , rested and not easily offended!
Posted by: Carly Fiorina at December 06, 2016 12:48 PM (toH8T)
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Caliban @46:
"My nephew was on his staff in Iraq. Did not have a very high opinion of him."
If you don't mind my asking: Thought he was a dick, or thought he wasn't as good as his (carefully managed) public reputation?
"My nephew was on his staff in Iraq. Did not have a very high opinion of him."
If you don't mind my asking: Thought he was a dick, or thought he wasn't as good as his (carefully managed) public reputation?
Posted by: JPS at December 06, 2016 12:48 PM (a3jG8)
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Also, it was said yesterday that Patreaus didn't bother voting. That alone disqualifies him. That shows he has no concern for the future of his country. He has no business leading it with such an important position
Posted by: L, Elle at December 06, 2016 12:48 PM (6IPEM)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2016 12:49 PM (IqV8l)
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3 I'm with you. I'd rather we had someone that doesn't have a history of sharing classified information as SecState.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at December 06, 2016 12:18 PM (sp6+W)
Wut?
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at December 06, 2016 12:18 PM (sp6+W)
Wut?
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 06, 2016 12:49 PM (4ErVI)
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105 Brock's boyfriend/partner owns the pizza joint in question, right?
Not putting any credence in the story. Just that is the connection, I think.
Posted by: blaster at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (0+824)
Ex-boyfriend
From the Alefantis instagram account they mirrored on reddit, it seems like Alefantis and his minions now hate Brock. Bad breakup, I guess.
Not putting any credence in the story. Just that is the connection, I think.
Posted by: blaster at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (0+824)
Ex-boyfriend
From the Alefantis instagram account they mirrored on reddit, it seems like Alefantis and his minions now hate Brock. Bad breakup, I guess.
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 06, 2016 12:49 PM (Om16U)
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Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 12:39 PM (5XDZ6)
As I said, my opinion is that COIN gets far too much credit for the Iraq success. It was a necessary subsequent step and not the strategy that would have been successful without the preceding steps. And he ruined his integrity multiple times and not from just one indiscretion.
( I did stay at a Holiday Inn once so I can offer my opinion in good faith)
As I said, my opinion is that COIN gets far too much credit for the Iraq success. It was a necessary subsequent step and not the strategy that would have been successful without the preceding steps. And he ruined his integrity multiple times and not from just one indiscretion.
( I did stay at a Holiday Inn once so I can offer my opinion in good faith)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2016 12:50 PM (lPDqu)
Posted by: Carly Fiorina at December 06, 2016 12:50 PM (toH8T)
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Too many Generals? Jeb had 27 of them. Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2016 12:45 PM (IqV8l)
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And HRC had 17 (SEVENTEEN!) US spy agencies endorsing her. (Was that the last debate? or the one previous?)
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And HRC had 17 (SEVENTEEN!) US spy agencies endorsing her. (Was that the last debate? or the one previous?)
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 06, 2016 12:50 PM (MIKMs)
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106 Posted by: Independent George at December 06, 2016 12:40 PM (BDZWU)
Pizzagate is real. I've spent dozens of hours looking into it. It's all about the normalization of pedophilia and child trafficking but calling it religion or art.
They are terrified they will wind up in prison for life and if the law does not act to protect children then citizens have every right and would be justified in taking matters into their own hands.
As I said before, if you want to stay out of prison or keep your life, stop fucking with children in the manner that they are. This is Old Testament evil and it is the worst kind of evil.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (Gl29c)
Apparently Milo had a speech about it yesterday, but streaming it was blocked on YouTube.
Pizzagate is real. I've spent dozens of hours looking into it. It's all about the normalization of pedophilia and child trafficking but calling it religion or art.
They are terrified they will wind up in prison for life and if the law does not act to protect children then citizens have every right and would be justified in taking matters into their own hands.
As I said before, if you want to stay out of prison or keep your life, stop fucking with children in the manner that they are. This is Old Testament evil and it is the worst kind of evil.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (Gl29c)
Apparently Milo had a speech about it yesterday, but streaming it was blocked on YouTube.
Posted by: josephistan at December 06, 2016 12:52 PM (7HtZB)
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Opinion: David Petraeus Is Not Fit to be Secretary of State, Nor to Serve in Any Capacity in an Administration
Seconded.
Seconded.
Posted by: Roberta Flack at December 06, 2016 12:53 PM (0F67M)
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Out of curiosity - why? Is there precedence for this?
Posted by: SH at December 06, 2016 12:42 PM (gmeXX)
Yes, he can be recalled to active duty and he should be investigated for when his affair actually started. If it started in country, then he should face the music. I left Iraq before he arrived, I had the other genius, General Casey as the MNCF/MNCI Commander.
General Petraeus drafted the COIN strategy with??? General Mattis. It is a rehash of the Marine Corps Small Wars Manual with added vignettes from Vietnam and the British Malaysian campaign. COIN worked in Iraq, it did not work in Afghanistan and it was a mixed bag in Mindanao, Sulu and Basilan in the Southern Philippines.
Posted by: SH at December 06, 2016 12:42 PM (gmeXX)
Yes, he can be recalled to active duty and he should be investigated for when his affair actually started. If it started in country, then he should face the music. I left Iraq before he arrived, I had the other genius, General Casey as the MNCF/MNCI Commander.
General Petraeus drafted the COIN strategy with??? General Mattis. It is a rehash of the Marine Corps Small Wars Manual with added vignettes from Vietnam and the British Malaysian campaign. COIN worked in Iraq, it did not work in Afghanistan and it was a mixed bag in Mindanao, Sulu and Basilan in the Southern Philippines.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at December 06, 2016 12:53 PM (7N6ox)
128
Off trans-singer sock.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 06, 2016 12:53 PM (0F67M)
129
Hillary drove a killer clown car .as SOS
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
In a demolition derby.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2016 12:49 PM (IqV8l)
Remember, she hasn't driven in years, so she is limited to running really, really fast
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
In a demolition derby.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2016 12:49 PM (IqV8l)
Remember, she hasn't driven in years, so she is limited to running really, really fast
Posted by: Kindltot at December 06, 2016 12:53 PM (yLUuz)
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Next I'll interview Abby Huntsman, not that I'd hire her, but she's grabbable.
Posted by: Jefe El Donaldo at December 06, 2016 12:53 PM (HgMAr)
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Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (5XDZ6)
If he's so smart he should have been able to lie better.
If he's so smart he should have been able to lie better.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2016 12:53 PM (lPDqu)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 06, 2016 12:53 PM (ZO497)
133
You don't judge a man by his worst moments you judge him by the sum total of his life.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 12:39 PM (5XDZ6)
You could drive a tank division through the hole in logic here.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 12:39 PM (5XDZ6)
You could drive a tank division through the hole in logic here.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 06, 2016 12:53 PM (TOk1P)
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I never understood the love for Petraeus in this job. The SoS is the premier US diplomat for all foreign issues around the world.
Regardless of Petraeus's success of lack their of in Iraq and Afghanistan, what evidence is there that he has any experience outside of his military skills in certain regions?
Regardless of Petraeus's success of lack their of in Iraq and Afghanistan, what evidence is there that he has any experience outside of his military skills in certain regions?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2016 12:53 PM (/tuJf)
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The NEA hates home schooling and school choice because they say only THEY are qualified to teach and because it would take money out of their pockets. (But mostly because it would take money out of their pockets)
The concerning findings were part of the 2015 Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) study, which looks into the performance of more than 500,000 15-year-olds across schools in more than 70 countries. Just under 6,000 students took part in American schools.
The top performing country in all three categories was Singapore, while Hong Kong and Macau were second and third in mathematics. Japan and Estonia, and Canada and Hong Kong rounded out the top-three in science and reading, respectively.
The U.S. ranked 40th in math, 24th in reading, and 25th in science.
http://tinyurl.com/jmwzz4m
The NEA hates home schooling and school choice because they say only THEY are qualified to teach and because it would take money out of their pockets. (But mostly because it would take money out of their pockets)
The concerning findings were part of the 2015 Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) study, which looks into the performance of more than 500,000 15-year-olds across schools in more than 70 countries. Just under 6,000 students took part in American schools.
The top performing country in all three categories was Singapore, while Hong Kong and Macau were second and third in mathematics. Japan and Estonia, and Canada and Hong Kong rounded out the top-three in science and reading, respectively.
The U.S. ranked 40th in math, 24th in reading, and 25th in science.
http://tinyurl.com/jmwzz4m
Posted by: McCool at December 06, 2016 12:53 PM (TQxRy)
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Apparently Milo had a speech about it yesterday, but streaming it was blocked on YouTube.
Russian mimeographs.
Russian mimeographs.
Posted by: Russian Mimeographs at December 06, 2016 12:54 PM (97XyN)
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Two words: Benghazi Cover Up
Posted by: Grump928(C) goes Biden at December 06, 2016 12:54 PM (0F67M)
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Don't hurt yourself. He has an MPA and PHD from Princeton and had a fellowship from Georgetown. He was at one point named one of the top 100 intellectuals in the world.
He's also an airborne infantry commander and Ranger.
Give me a break.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (5XDZ6)
Unclear on your point.
Petraeus was a fantastic soldier and a good General up to a point. That doesn't mean he should be Secretary of State.
He's also an airborne infantry commander and Ranger.
Give me a break.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (5XDZ6)
Unclear on your point.
Petraeus was a fantastic soldier and a good General up to a point. That doesn't mean he should be Secretary of State.
Posted by: blaster at December 06, 2016 12:55 PM (0+824)
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Hey Snopes has already said pizzagate is bunk so case closed, right?
Posted by: brak at December 06, 2016 12:55 PM (guIHw)
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Petraeus can't be trusted.
Posted by: garrett at December 06, 2016 12:55 PM (MQZBa)
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Caliban @46:
"My nephew was on his staff in Iraq. Did not have a very high opinion of him."
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My nephew was spec ops, directly under Petraeus's command. He had a very high opinion of him.
Granted, he didn't come into contact with him more than a handful of times. Someone actually on his staff with frequent contact might be a better judge.
(I wonder if my nephew knows your nephew?!?)
"My nephew was on his staff in Iraq. Did not have a very high opinion of him."
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My nephew was spec ops, directly under Petraeus's command. He had a very high opinion of him.
Granted, he didn't come into contact with him more than a handful of times. Someone actually on his staff with frequent contact might be a better judge.
(I wonder if my nephew knows your nephew?!?)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 06, 2016 12:55 PM (Nox3c)
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Too many Generals? Jeb had 27 of them. Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2016 12:45 PM (IqV8l)
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Admirals, dammit. Everyone forgets them.
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Admirals, dammit. Everyone forgets them.
Posted by: Captain Crunch at December 06, 2016 12:55 PM (ZO497)
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The NEA hates home schooling and school choice because they say only THEY are qualified to teach and because it would take money out of their pockets. (But mostly because it would take money out of their pockets)
Mainly because they don't teach any students.
Mainly because they don't teach any students.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 06, 2016 12:55 PM (VtwaX)
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I suspect Trump knows exactly who he wants but is willing to listen to other options and it has to be something quite cataclysmic to change his mind. And while entertaining all these other candidates he gets to gauge the public's reaction and tweak his strategy accordingly.
Posted by: IC at December 06, 2016 12:56 PM (a0IVu)
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Apropos of nothing, we use the Singapore math curriculum.
Posted by: Lauren at December 06, 2016 12:56 PM (v4TJQ)
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what the hell is pizzagate??
Posted by: deplorable Jewells45 at December 06, 2016 12:57 PM (zRZaJ)
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Is he even the great military mind that people made him out to be? Just because he came up with the brilliant strategy of using more troops to fight a war?
Posted by: josephistan at December 06, 2016 12:57 PM (7HtZB)
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Chisanbop FTW.
Posted by: Grump928(C) goes Biden at December 06, 2016 12:57 PM (0F67M)
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Yep, I was already there, for the reasons given plus he's a Bloomberg antigunner.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at December 06, 2016 12:57 PM (sqpGi)
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I read a really great article a few hours ago about Snopes and the NYT debunking #pizzagate in which they don't really debunk anything about it but merely proclaim it is fake news. I'm not saying I fully buy into it but the fact the mainstream media seems desperate for this to go away raises red flags for me. I think it is something worth looking into.
I think it's passingly curious that the MFM suddenly became obsessed with "Fake News" right at the time pizzagate broke.
I think it's passingly curious that the MFM suddenly became obsessed with "Fake News" right at the time pizzagate broke.
Posted by: V the K at December 06, 2016 12:57 PM (O7MnT)
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John Bolton for Sec State!
Posted by: Furious Mustache at December 06, 2016 12:57 PM (uz/Pv)
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>>I suspect Trump knows exactly who he wants but is willing to listen to other options and it has to be something quite cataclysmic to change his mind. And while entertaining all these other candidates he gets to gauge the public's reaction and tweak his strategy accordingly.
I suspect this and he's judging the reaction in Congress to certain candidates and I suspect he's getting quite an education on international issues from a wide variety of sources. It's a smart way to handle it.
I suspect this and he's judging the reaction in Congress to certain candidates and I suspect he's getting quite an education on international issues from a wide variety of sources. It's a smart way to handle it.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2016 12:58 PM (/tuJf)
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worst kind of evil.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (Gl29c)
I posted yesterday that since today is St Nicholas Day and Nicholas is the patron of children. that I am asking that he intercede to God so that if if pizza gate is a real think the perps be brought to justice for their horrible crimes.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (Gl29c)
I posted yesterday that since today is St Nicholas Day and Nicholas is the patron of children. that I am asking that he intercede to God so that if if pizza gate is a real think the perps be brought to justice for their horrible crimes.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 06, 2016 12:58 PM (tOcW/)
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>>what the hell is pizzagate??
Apparently, the Secret Sikh run a Pedophile Ring out of a Check-E-Cheese or something.
Apparently, the Secret Sikh run a Pedophile Ring out of a Check-E-Cheese or something.
Posted by: garrett at December 06, 2016 12:58 PM (MQZBa)
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The email shenanigans alone should disqualify him for office. Period.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 06, 2016 12:45 PM (TOk1P)
Like Hillary?
Posted by: deplorable donna at December 06, 2016 12:46 PM (O2RFr)
If we're being consistent, yes.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 06, 2016 12:45 PM (TOk1P)
Like Hillary?
Posted by: deplorable donna at December 06, 2016 12:46 PM (O2RFr)
If we're being consistent, yes.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 06, 2016 12:58 PM (TOk1P)
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I think it's passingly curious that the MFM suddenly became obsessed with "Fake News" right at the time pizzagate broke.
Yep.
Yep.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 06, 2016 12:58 PM (97XyN)
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Petraeus was a fantastic soldier and a good General up to a point. That doesn't mean he should be Secretary of State.
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And people talk about BHO and HRC's egos? Pretty woman flattering him and all rules go out the window.
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And people talk about BHO and HRC's egos? Pretty woman flattering him and all rules go out the window.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 06, 2016 12:58 PM (MIKMs)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 06, 2016 12:58 PM (VtwaX)
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I still say, Lindsay for SoS, get him out of the Senate. Then fire him, and replace with Bolton.
Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2016 12:58 PM (2RVmA)
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140 Petraeus can't be trusted.
Posted by: garrett at December 06, 2016 12:55 PM (MQZBa)
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Same goes for Mittens.
Posted by: garrett at December 06, 2016 12:55 PM (MQZBa)
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Same goes for Mittens.
Posted by: Soona at December 06, 2016 12:59 PM (Fmupd)
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I think the article raises good points, but his loss of security clearance is sufficient to me. That man should not be in a position where a clearance is required, ever again. He has proven that he's not to be trusted with the nation's secrets.
Send him to the FCC, EPA, BJS or even the IRS. But keep him out of the national security apparatus.
I have principles beyond "my team good, their team bad".
Send him to the FCC, EPA, BJS or even the IRS. But keep him out of the national security apparatus.
I have principles beyond "my team good, their team bad".
Posted by: Semper Why at December 06, 2016 12:59 PM (IU5KI)
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139 Hey Snopes has already said pizzagate is bunk so case closed, right?
Posted by: brak at December 06, 2016 12:55 PM (guIHw)
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Yeah their debunking is basically linking to a NYT piece which declares it to be fake news. If you haven't already, read the link I posted above about the NYT and Snopes debunking pizzagate.
Btw, Mark Thompson, the CEO of the NYT, was head of BBC when the Jimmy Saville thing broke. I read an article from the Telegraph that Thompson did his best to cover up the Saville thing.
Posted by: brak at December 06, 2016 12:55 PM (guIHw)
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Yeah their debunking is basically linking to a NYT piece which declares it to be fake news. If you haven't already, read the link I posted above about the NYT and Snopes debunking pizzagate.
Btw, Mark Thompson, the CEO of the NYT, was head of BBC when the Jimmy Saville thing broke. I read an article from the Telegraph that Thompson did his best to cover up the Saville thing.
Posted by: Independent George at December 06, 2016 12:59 PM (BDZWU)
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L,Elle @118:
"Also, it was said yesterday that Patreaus didn't bother voting. That alone disqualifies him. That shows he has no concern for the future of his country."
I read a good deal about him before he became widely famous, and I think this is a longstanding practice of his. On active duty he felt he needed to stay apolitical.
Which is ironic in some ways, given so much else about him, and it's certainly debatable, but I don't think it's the same as no concern.
"Also, it was said yesterday that Patreaus didn't bother voting. That alone disqualifies him. That shows he has no concern for the future of his country."
I read a good deal about him before he became widely famous, and I think this is a longstanding practice of his. On active duty he felt he needed to stay apolitical.
Which is ironic in some ways, given so much else about him, and it's certainly debatable, but I don't think it's the same as no concern.
Posted by: JPS at December 06, 2016 12:59 PM (a3jG8)
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Yeah the Fake News ZOMG thing seems curiously timed to protect the Pizza People.
I don't think there's a smoking gun, but Podesta's brother is into some really gross art and the Sainted Comet Pizza Guy seems like a creepy dude.
I don't think there's a smoking gun, but Podesta's brother is into some really gross art and the Sainted Comet Pizza Guy seems like a creepy dude.
Posted by: Lauren at December 06, 2016 01:00 PM (v4TJQ)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2016 01:00 PM (IqV8l)
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To be clear, my choice is Bolton. He knows the territory and knows where the bodies are buried.
As for the General, I'm a little sick of the poo flinging by writers who, even with his flaws, have not made half of his contribution to the human race.
He is a decent man who made a mistake. He hurt his wonderful wife whom he met back in his Weat Point days and stated he has enormous regrets for that entire sordid affair.
But yes. Let's critique his worst moment in an otherwise stellar career and string of service to our country.
As for the General, I'm a little sick of the poo flinging by writers who, even with his flaws, have not made half of his contribution to the human race.
He is a decent man who made a mistake. He hurt his wonderful wife whom he met back in his Weat Point days and stated he has enormous regrets for that entire sordid affair.
But yes. Let's critique his worst moment in an otherwise stellar career and string of service to our country.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 01:00 PM (5XDZ6)
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According to Hot Air's media scanners, Petraeus is not really even in the running any more, so there's nothing to worry about.
On the other hand, the top contender is -- ta da! -- Romney. So there's that.
In truth, the Secretary of State doesn't set policy -- so it doesn't really matter what their personal beliefs are so much. (When Hillary pulled all her shit in Benghazi, for example, in truth she was just doing what Obama wanted her to.)
The personage of "Secretary of State" is simply supposed to be a mannikin with gravitas to charm overseas potentates. So, with that in mind, maybe Romney isn't such a terrible choice.
On the other hand, the top contender is -- ta da! -- Romney. So there's that.
In truth, the Secretary of State doesn't set policy -- so it doesn't really matter what their personal beliefs are so much. (When Hillary pulled all her shit in Benghazi, for example, in truth she was just doing what Obama wanted her to.)
The personage of "Secretary of State" is simply supposed to be a mannikin with gravitas to charm overseas potentates. So, with that in mind, maybe Romney isn't such a terrible choice.
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2016 01:00 PM (jBuUi)
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Btw, Mark Thompson, the CEO of the NYT, was head of BBC when the Jimmy Saville thing broke.
I read an article from the Telegraph that Thompson did his best to cover up the Saville thing.
Smoke = fire?
I read an article from the Telegraph that Thompson did his best to cover up the Saville thing.
Smoke = fire?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 06, 2016 01:01 PM (VtwaX)
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Ace, you are an Islamophobe. The future does not belong to those that slander the Holy Prophet of Islam! Ulululululaaa!!! YOU FUCKING INFIDEL!!!
Posted by: Gen. David Petraeus at December 06, 2016 01:01 PM (QlyN5)
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...minus the "fake charity"- dude actually, had his ass, on the line; rumor has it, hillarey "dodged sniper-fire"...
Posted by: pahound at December 06, 2016 01:02 PM (cGo5H)
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85 No cabinet position and I have long maintained, he should be recalled to active duty and face a courts-martial proceedings.
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Out of curiosity - why? Is there precedence for this?
Posted by: SH at December 06, 2016 12:42 PM (gmeXX)
I believe there's precedent, but rather old, and a commissioned officer is basically on the hook for being called back to active duty for the rest of his life. Enlisted, not so much. I'd have to do some research to pull up the specifics.
However, as much as I loathe his actions I'm not sure about actually doing it. There's some really nasty implications if the Donks get their hands on a recent precedent of dragging people back to active duty to be court martialed. Remember, at some point they'll be back in power.
85 No cabinet position and I have long maintained, he should be recalled to active duty and face a courts-martial proceedings.
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Out of curiosity - why? Is there precedence for this?
Posted by: SH at December 06, 2016 12:42 PM (gmeXX)
I believe there's precedent, but rather old, and a commissioned officer is basically on the hook for being called back to active duty for the rest of his life. Enlisted, not so much. I'd have to do some research to pull up the specifics.
However, as much as I loathe his actions I'm not sure about actually doing it. There's some really nasty implications if the Donks get their hands on a recent precedent of dragging people back to active duty to be court martialed. Remember, at some point they'll be back in power.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 06, 2016 01:02 PM (XWkhW)
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Is he even the great military mind that people made him out to be? Just because he came up with the brilliant strategy of using more troops to fight a war?
Posted by: josephistan
No. But winning the PowerPoint war to get more troops, made him a great general
Posted by: josephistan
No. But winning the PowerPoint war to get more troops, made him a great general
Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2016 01:02 PM (2RVmA)
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168 Btw, Mark Thompson, the CEO of the NYT, was head of BBC when the Jimmy Saville thing broke.
I read an article from the Telegraph that Thompson did his best to cover up the Saville thing.
Smoke = fire?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 06, 2016 01:01 PM (VtwaX)
Where there's smoke, there's... wood-fired pizza!
I read an article from the Telegraph that Thompson did his best to cover up the Saville thing.
Smoke = fire?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 06, 2016 01:01 PM (VtwaX)
Where there's smoke, there's... wood-fired pizza!
Posted by: josephistan at December 06, 2016 01:03 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 06, 2016 01:03 PM (ygsT+)
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151--- John Bolton for Sec State!
Posted by: Furious Mustache at December 06, 2016 12:57 PM (uz/Pv)
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Sec State is the nation's top diplomat but almost never the nation's top foreign policy maker.
I think you need someone ....diplomatic. Suave.
Someone who can sing "Baby It's Cold Outside."
Posted by: Furious Mustache at December 06, 2016 12:57 PM (uz/Pv)
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Sec State is the nation's top diplomat but almost never the nation's top foreign policy maker.
I think you need someone ....diplomatic. Suave.
Someone who can sing "Baby It's Cold Outside."
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 06, 2016 01:03 PM (Nox3c)
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I hate to think what "Sausage Pizza" stands for.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 06, 2016 01:03 PM (hqZPQ)
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I doubt he would make the cut. I hope he would not.
I trust Catherine Herridge's account above. I remember screeching at teevee when he defended the "video" vs terror attack. He was blackmailed once and could be blackmailed again.
I'd say we had enough pay to play bullshite going on for the last 8 yrs. Don't need more from this dude.
Perhaps PE Trump is having the parade of weirdness to squeeze out any information they might trade? Something to think about for a nanosecond or two.
If Betrayus was hired it would make the case more difficult to go after the Hag. While his crap was a honey pot, hers was a sink hole of betrayal with payback.
I trust Catherine Herridge's account above. I remember screeching at teevee when he defended the "video" vs terror attack. He was blackmailed once and could be blackmailed again.
I'd say we had enough pay to play bullshite going on for the last 8 yrs. Don't need more from this dude.
Perhaps PE Trump is having the parade of weirdness to squeeze out any information they might trade? Something to think about for a nanosecond or two.
If Betrayus was hired it would make the case more difficult to go after the Hag. While his crap was a honey pot, hers was a sink hole of betrayal with payback.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at December 06, 2016 01:04 PM (fq4ih)
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>>The personage of "Secretary of State" is simply supposed to be a mannikin with gravitas to charm overseas potentates. So, with that in mind, maybe Romney isn't such a terrible choice.
It all depends on the power given to the office by the President. Some SoS have been extremely consequential and powerful like Kissinger. Some, not so much. It's like saying all salesmen for the same company are equal because they are all selling the same product. Not remotely true.
But I do agree that whomever is chosen will be tasked with carrying out the policy of the administration.
It all depends on the power given to the office by the President. Some SoS have been extremely consequential and powerful like Kissinger. Some, not so much. It's like saying all salesmen for the same company are equal because they are all selling the same product. Not remotely true.
But I do agree that whomever is chosen will be tasked with carrying out the policy of the administration.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2016 01:04 PM (/tuJf)
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Would he call in the flying baby heads for an air strike?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2016 01:04 PM (IqV8l)
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Pizzagate is real. I've spent dozens of hours looking into it. It's all about the normalization of pedophilia and child trafficking but calling it religion or art.
They are terrified they will wind up in prison for life and if the law does not act to protect children then citizens have every right and would be justified in taking matters into their own hands.
As I said before, if you want to stay out of prison or keep your life, stop fucking with children in the manner that they are. This is Old Testament evil and it is the worst kind of evil.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (Gl29c)
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It's not that I don't believe it. I started suspecting a few years ago that much of the elite political and media class are into some really weird shit starting with what Corey Feldman said about pedophilia being an open secret in Hollywood.
The thing with pizzagate is that right now I don't think it would pass any scrutiny in a court of law. A lot of what has been uncovered is circumstantial evidence. You need hard evidence like photos, videos, and you would need to establish firm connections to missing children.
Whatever the case, I hope justice is served if anything like this is really going on.
They are terrified they will wind up in prison for life and if the law does not act to protect children then citizens have every right and would be justified in taking matters into their own hands.
As I said before, if you want to stay out of prison or keep your life, stop fucking with children in the manner that they are. This is Old Testament evil and it is the worst kind of evil.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (Gl29c)
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It's not that I don't believe it. I started suspecting a few years ago that much of the elite political and media class are into some really weird shit starting with what Corey Feldman said about pedophilia being an open secret in Hollywood.
The thing with pizzagate is that right now I don't think it would pass any scrutiny in a court of law. A lot of what has been uncovered is circumstantial evidence. You need hard evidence like photos, videos, and you would need to establish firm connections to missing children.
Whatever the case, I hope justice is served if anything like this is really going on.
Posted by: Independent George at December 06, 2016 01:04 PM (BDZWU)
Posted by: pahound at December 06, 2016 01:04 PM (cGo5H)
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Btw, I'm not a lawyer so what I just typed is just my opinion.
Posted by: Independent George at December 06, 2016 01:05 PM (BDZWU)
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The Secretary of State is supposed to be someone who can say to a foreign leader, "Nice country you got here -- we wouldn't want anything to happen to it," and still come across as likable and reassuring.
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2016 01:05 PM (jBuUi)
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I agree on Petraeus. My choice is John Bolton. Or Dick Cheney.
Posted by: Eromero at December 06, 2016 01:07 PM (zLDYs)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 06, 2016 01:07 PM (HeqT8)
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I don't think Mittens would like State, he actually get shit done.
Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2016 01:07 PM (2RVmA)
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But yes. Let's critique his worst moment in an otherwise stellar career and string of service to our country. Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 01:00 PM (5XDZ6)
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Obviously, you are discussing HRC and her otherwise stellar career and 'best qualifications'. /s
But yes. Let's critique his worst moment in an otherwise stellar career and string of service to our country. Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 01:00 PM (5XDZ6)
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Obviously, you are discussing HRC and her otherwise stellar career and 'best qualifications'. /s
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 06, 2016 01:07 PM (MIKMs)
Posted by: RM at December 06, 2016 01:08 PM (U3LtS)
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"The thing with pizzagate is that right now I don't think it would pass any scrutiny in a court of law. A lot of what has been uncovered is circumstantial evidence. You need hard evidence like photos, videos, and you would need to establish firm connections to missing children. "
If someone wanted to look into it, there's the email to Podesta about the "pool party" that promised specific young children would be in attendance. Tracking that sender down wouldn't be difficult. In fact, her blog (creepy as hell) has already been discovered.
If someone wanted to look into it, there's the email to Podesta about the "pool party" that promised specific young children would be in attendance. Tracking that sender down wouldn't be difficult. In fact, her blog (creepy as hell) has already been discovered.
Posted by: Lauren at December 06, 2016 01:08 PM (v4TJQ)
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The Secretary of State is supposed to be someone who can say to a foreign leader, "Nice country you got here -- we wouldn't want anything to happen to it," and still come across as likable and reassuring.
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2016 01:05 PM (jBuUi)
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Hey,, I could pull that off....
The Secretary of State is supposed to be someone who can say to a foreign leader, "Nice country you got here -- we wouldn't want anything to happen to it," and still come across as likable and reassuring.
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2016 01:05 PM (jBuUi)
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Hey,, I could pull that off....
Posted by: Bill Wynn (the real one,, swearsies) at December 06, 2016 01:08 PM (HSmrB)
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...i got "mad-dog" as Sec. of Defense- State? i don't even know, who's side, they're on...
Posted by: pahound at December 06, 2016 01:08 PM (cGo5H)
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No. But winning the PowerPoint war to get more troops, made him a great general
What did creating a gun control group with Mark Kelly make him?
What did creating a gun control group with Mark Kelly make him?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 06, 2016 01:08 PM (VtwaX)
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Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 12:40 PM (Gl29c)
Umm No He turened it down because Mittens was going to be SoS !
Umm No He turened it down because Mittens was going to be SoS !
Posted by: Evilpens at December 06, 2016 01:09 PM (y3aQB)
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If we get Kobach @ DHS, he can appoint Soupy Sales SOS for all I care.
Posted by: mnw at December 06, 2016 01:09 PM (XHihg)
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I don't think Mittens would like State, he actually get shit done. Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2016 01:07 PM (2RVmA)
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Obviously has to be VA.
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Obviously has to be VA.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 06, 2016 01:09 PM (MIKMs)
Posted by: scofflaw_x at December 06, 2016 01:09 PM (IXleN)
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The writer is a disaster recovery "expert" with an MBA in "knowledge engineering".
Good grief. But , yeah, Petraeus is an apostate or something.
Good grief. But , yeah, Petraeus is an apostate or something.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 01:09 PM (5XDZ6)
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3 The Secretary of State is supposed to be someone who can say to a foreign leader, "Nice country you got here -- we wouldn't want anything to happen to it," and still come across as likable and reassuring.
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2016 01:05 PM (jBuUi)
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In today's world I want the SoS to look our enemies in the eye and say that with a directness that removes all doubt about US resolve. Fuck the charm. It doesn't work.
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2016 01:05 PM (jBuUi)
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In today's world I want the SoS to look our enemies in the eye and say that with a directness that removes all doubt about US resolve. Fuck the charm. It doesn't work.
Posted by: Soona at December 06, 2016 01:10 PM (Fmupd)
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I've gone back and forth on Petraeus--I haven't thought he was all that bad policy-wise, but others are clearly better-read on this issue than me--but in the end, given the PR nightmare his confirmation process would be, he'd have to be Mattis-level good to be worth the trouble, in my opinion. And he's not.
Posted by: T at December 06, 2016 01:10 PM (IKdzI)
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But yes. Let's critique his worst moment in an otherwise stellar career and string of service to our country.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 01:00 PM (5XDZ6)
Can you defend his speech enforcement for the Taliban?
Can you defend his covering for Hillary on Benghazi?
Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 01:00 PM (5XDZ6)
Can you defend his speech enforcement for the Taliban?
Can you defend his covering for Hillary on Benghazi?
Posted by: blaster at December 06, 2016 01:10 PM (0+824)
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...no
Posted by: pahound at December 06, 2016 01:10 PM (cGo5H)
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You know who is overdo to offer themselves up for a job... George Pataki.
Posted by: scofflaw_x at December 06, 2016 01:10 PM (IXleN)
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166---But yes. Let's critique his worst moment in an otherwise stellar career and string of service to our country.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 01:00 PM (5XDZ6)
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I think you are overlooking his lying to Congress about Benghazi and his mishandling of classical documents and loss of security clearance. These things make him unfit for Sec State.
But I agree that the man's record has much good in it too.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 01:00 PM (5XDZ6)
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I think you are overlooking his lying to Congress about Benghazi and his mishandling of classical documents and loss of security clearance. These things make him unfit for Sec State.
But I agree that the man's record has much good in it too.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 06, 2016 01:10 PM (Nox3c)
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IDK, the impression is Trump is really having a hard time picking someone for this position, but yeah, no Petraeus. Why pick an SOS with classified email problems to replace someone with classified email problems? Makes zero sense.
IDK, the impression is Trump is really having a hard time picking someone for this position, but yeah, no Petraeus. Why pick an SOS with classified email problems to replace someone with classified email problems? Makes zero sense.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 06, 2016 01:10 PM (ODxAs)
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The Interview:
Trump Tower, NYC. The Golden Scalp Weasel sits in on a meeting.
"Ivanka, I thought you were interviewing all of the minor characters in this series."
"Daddy, this one creeps me out. And his pelt smells terrible."
A young Ewok, no older than 29 shakes his golden hobo cull. "Yub, yub!"
"Oh ho! I remember this one. Scratched my limo, had a ride on the front of the RV. A real good sport. What can I do for you, little furball?"
"Yub, yub! Yub!"
A position in the administration? Why should I hire you?"
"Yub yub yub!"
"I don't hire everybody I talk to. I give a lot of people a hearing without agreeing. Makes most of them feel better to get things off of their chests."
"Yub?"
"Really. Just listening to people who are upset or think they know something and they get relieved and go away. a few become persistent nutters, but I can deal with those bigly."
"Yub. Yub yub. Yub?"
"Open Federal lands to hobo hunting? I don't see why not. With a Republican in the White House the homeless problem will show up again. Hey, how about you help me on the southern border, could use your mad skills down there."
Trump Tower, NYC. The Golden Scalp Weasel sits in on a meeting.
"Ivanka, I thought you were interviewing all of the minor characters in this series."
"Daddy, this one creeps me out. And his pelt smells terrible."
A young Ewok, no older than 29 shakes his golden hobo cull. "Yub, yub!"
"Oh ho! I remember this one. Scratched my limo, had a ride on the front of the RV. A real good sport. What can I do for you, little furball?"
"Yub, yub! Yub!"
A position in the administration? Why should I hire you?"
"Yub yub yub!"
"I don't hire everybody I talk to. I give a lot of people a hearing without agreeing. Makes most of them feel better to get things off of their chests."
"Yub?"
"Really. Just listening to people who are upset or think they know something and they get relieved and go away. a few become persistent nutters, but I can deal with those bigly."
"Yub. Yub yub. Yub?"
"Open Federal lands to hobo hunting? I don't see why not. With a Republican in the White House the homeless problem will show up again. Hey, how about you help me on the southern border, could use your mad skills down there."
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Perfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 06, 2016 01:10 PM (hLRSq)
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Romney used proxies against Trump in underhanded ways. Kept it up for a long time. Incited the Trump / Cruz War of the Wives. Risked throwing the election to Hillary. Romney is a cunt of the highest order.
That said, I don't know what a SoS has to do. Hillary was actually cut out of most things by Jarrett, and was mostly happy to fly a million miles to shakedown donations for the Foundation.
Does Trump need his SoS to renegotiate trade deals? Mitt could be good at that.
Does he need his SoS to beat on Iran? DoD may be the better heavy.
I expect Trump wants to engage Putin personally. Art of the Deal, baby!
Romney looks the part, and has some gravitas for coming close to being President in 2012.
Picking Romney would show Trump to be magnanimous and help in Western states in 2020.
Not a bad pick.
Bolton appears to be an interventionist and a hothead.
That said, I don't know what a SoS has to do. Hillary was actually cut out of most things by Jarrett, and was mostly happy to fly a million miles to shakedown donations for the Foundation.
Does Trump need his SoS to renegotiate trade deals? Mitt could be good at that.
Does he need his SoS to beat on Iran? DoD may be the better heavy.
I expect Trump wants to engage Putin personally. Art of the Deal, baby!
Romney looks the part, and has some gravitas for coming close to being President in 2012.
Picking Romney would show Trump to be magnanimous and help in Western states in 2020.
Not a bad pick.
Bolton appears to be an interventionist and a hothead.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 06, 2016 01:11 PM (SIY7D)
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180 Pizzagate is real. I've spent dozens of hours looking into it. It's all about the normalization of pedophilia and child trafficking but calling it religion or art.
They are terrified they will wind up in prison for life and if the law does not act to protect children then citizens have every right and would be justified in taking matters into their own hands.
As I said before, if you want to stay out of prison or keep your life, stop fucking with children in the manner that they are. This is Old Testament evil and it is the worst kind of evil.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (Gl29c)
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It's not that I don't believe it. I started suspecting a few years ago that much of the elite political and media class are into some really weird shit starting with what Corey Feldman said about pedophilia being an open secret in Hollywood.
The thing with pizzagate is that right now I don't think it would pass any scrutiny in a court of law. A lot of what has been uncovered is circumstantial evidence. You need hard evidence like photos, videos, and you would need to establish firm connections to missing children.
Whatever the case, I hope justice is served if anything like this is really going on.
Posted by: Independent George
Frankly, I'm suspicious that anyone using the name "Pepe, Proud American Nationalist" is a moby trying to goad to the right into "falling for" some "fake news" so that later Our Progressive Betters can sneer and snicker at us for being so stupid that we are incapable of self-governance.
Either that, or it's a regular commenter doing some ill-advised sock-puppetry.
But like you, Independent George, I'm keeping an open mind on the topic but so far there is ZERO hard evidence of any actual crime. On the other hand, there is no evidence of innocence either. But in the US, you can't convict based on rumor and penumbras. Most of all, an actual victim would need to be identified, rather than the vague unnamed "children."
They are terrified they will wind up in prison for life and if the law does not act to protect children then citizens have every right and would be justified in taking matters into their own hands.
As I said before, if you want to stay out of prison or keep your life, stop fucking with children in the manner that they are. This is Old Testament evil and it is the worst kind of evil.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 12:47 PM (Gl29c)
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It's not that I don't believe it. I started suspecting a few years ago that much of the elite political and media class are into some really weird shit starting with what Corey Feldman said about pedophilia being an open secret in Hollywood.
The thing with pizzagate is that right now I don't think it would pass any scrutiny in a court of law. A lot of what has been uncovered is circumstantial evidence. You need hard evidence like photos, videos, and you would need to establish firm connections to missing children.
Whatever the case, I hope justice is served if anything like this is really going on.
Posted by: Independent George
Frankly, I'm suspicious that anyone using the name "Pepe, Proud American Nationalist" is a moby trying to goad to the right into "falling for" some "fake news" so that later Our Progressive Betters can sneer and snicker at us for being so stupid that we are incapable of self-governance.
Either that, or it's a regular commenter doing some ill-advised sock-puppetry.
But like you, Independent George, I'm keeping an open mind on the topic but so far there is ZERO hard evidence of any actual crime. On the other hand, there is no evidence of innocence either. But in the US, you can't convict based on rumor and penumbras. Most of all, an actual victim would need to be identified, rather than the vague unnamed "children."
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2016 01:11 PM (jBuUi)
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137 Two words: Benghazi Cover Up
Posted by: Grump928(C) goes Biden at December 06, 2016 12:54 PM (0F67M)
Yep.
Posted by: Grump928(C) goes Biden at December 06, 2016 12:54 PM (0F67M)
Yep.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 01:11 PM (Gl29c)
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If only we could appoint General Mattis to multiple positions.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 06, 2016 12:19 PM (xeeHA)
Second look at Roman Praetor Maximus?
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 06, 2016 12:19 PM (xeeHA)
Second look at Roman Praetor Maximus?
Posted by: Sharkman at December 06, 2016 01:12 PM (CS7jF)
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Nood. Italics.
Posted by: johnd01 at December 06, 2016 01:12 PM (ukNFU)
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>>If someone wanted to look into it, there's the email to Podesta about the "pool party" that promised specific young children would be in attendance. Tracking that sender down wouldn't be difficult. In fact, her blog (creepy as hell) has already been discovered.
Was that the email by some woman who was talking about her own children getting a ride to a party with a family friend and joking that they were a handful?
I've yet to see a single thing that resembles evidence. Just tons of speculation that in some cases has proven wrong. For example, the whole child sex ring was supposed to be run out of the basement of the pizza place. One problem, the pizza place doesn't have a basement.
You'd think with all of this going on for years in broad daylight, one employee, one kid, would have turned up to confirm this thing. If they do, I'll give it some credence but until then it seems like a conspiracy theory cooked up by a bunch of guys at 4chan.
Was that the email by some woman who was talking about her own children getting a ride to a party with a family friend and joking that they were a handful?
I've yet to see a single thing that resembles evidence. Just tons of speculation that in some cases has proven wrong. For example, the whole child sex ring was supposed to be run out of the basement of the pizza place. One problem, the pizza place doesn't have a basement.
You'd think with all of this going on for years in broad daylight, one employee, one kid, would have turned up to confirm this thing. If they do, I'll give it some credence but until then it seems like a conspiracy theory cooked up by a bunch of guys at 4chan.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2016 01:12 PM (/tuJf)
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and you would need to establish firm connections to missing children.
I don't know if the following constitutes a firm connection:
Someone posted a link to a site that published police sketches of suspects in the Madeline McCann case - the notorious child abduction in Portugal.
One of the sketches was a portrait of John Podesta.
I did a search on the child's disappearance and discovered that the police sketch had been drawn around the time of her disappearance many years ago. (IOW some #pizzagate internet sleuth didn't just publish that image in an attempt to link Podesta to the child's disappearance.)
I don't know if the following constitutes a firm connection:
Someone posted a link to a site that published police sketches of suspects in the Madeline McCann case - the notorious child abduction in Portugal.
One of the sketches was a portrait of John Podesta.
I did a search on the child's disappearance and discovered that the police sketch had been drawn around the time of her disappearance many years ago. (IOW some #pizzagate internet sleuth didn't just publish that image in an attempt to link Podesta to the child's disappearance.)
Posted by: kallisto at December 06, 2016 01:12 PM (jkmtt)
Posted by: pahound at December 06, 2016 01:12 PM (cGo5H)
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Ace! Mohammad frowns upon you! Repent.
Posted by: Gen. David Petraeus at December 06, 2016 01:14 PM (QlyN5)
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The Secretary of State is supposed to be someone who can say to a foreign leader, "Nice country you got here -- we wouldn't want anything to happen to it," and still come across as likable and reassuring.
Posted by: zombie
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So, the archetype would be Negan?
*ponders*
Sounds about right.
Posted by: zombie
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So, the archetype would be Negan?
*ponders*
Sounds about right.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 06, 2016 01:14 PM (ZO497)
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In today's world I want the SoS to look our enemies in the eye and say that with a directness that removes all doubt about US resolve. Fuck the charm. It doesn't work.
"I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you with tears in my eyes; if you fuck with me, Ill kill you all"
"I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you with tears in my eyes; if you fuck with me, Ill kill you all"
Posted by: rickb223 at December 06, 2016 01:14 PM (VtwaX)
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Nood
Posted by: Tami at December 06, 2016 01:14 PM (Enq6K)
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"Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 06, 2016 01:10 PM (Nox"
I'm not overlooking anything. I'm not even saying he should be secretary.
But I'm a little sick of people flinging shit who couldn't even, with all his faults, shine his boots. Not to mention the unproven allegations and legend that people are throwing around.
Like the writer of that piece. What's her great contribution to the human race and our country? Disaster engineering?
Give me a break.
I'm not overlooking anything. I'm not even saying he should be secretary.
But I'm a little sick of people flinging shit who couldn't even, with all his faults, shine his boots. Not to mention the unproven allegations and legend that people are throwing around.
Like the writer of that piece. What's her great contribution to the human race and our country? Disaster engineering?
Give me a break.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 06, 2016 01:14 PM (5XDZ6)
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It all depends on the power given to the office by the President. Some SoS have been extremely consequential and powerful like Kissinger.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2016 01:04 PM (/tuJf)
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Kissinger assumed maximum power when he was Natl Sec Advisor. Nixon made him SoS in his second term as a sort of reward.
W did likewise with Condoleeza Rice.
It all depends on the power given to the office by the President. Some SoS have been extremely consequential and powerful like Kissinger.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2016 01:04 PM (/tuJf)
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Kissinger assumed maximum power when he was Natl Sec Advisor. Nixon made him SoS in his second term as a sort of reward.
W did likewise with Condoleeza Rice.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 06, 2016 01:14 PM (Nox3c)
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He was part of the Benghazi and was content to lie and let them all die
Not decent
Not honorable
Not good judgement
He was part of the Benghazi and was content to lie and let them all die
Not decent
Not honorable
Not good judgement
Posted by: ThunderB at December 06, 2016 01:15 PM (HeqT8)
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>>If someone wanted to look into it, there's the email to Podesta about
the "pool party" that promised specific young children would be in
attendance. Tracking that sender down wouldn't be difficult. In fact,
her blog (creepy as hell) has already been discovered.
Ugh, promising they would swim and calling it "entertainment."
Don't know for sure what they've been up to, but they are creepy AF. That pic of Gaga at the Spirit Cooking dinner with a young girl - who the heck takes their kids to something like that, even if it's just LARPing satanic rituals for art? They always lecture that they do everything 'for the children' yet expose them to all sorts of creepiness and neurosis (letter to my daughters, AGW killing polar bears!, etc.).
the "pool party" that promised specific young children would be in
attendance. Tracking that sender down wouldn't be difficult. In fact,
her blog (creepy as hell) has already been discovered.
Ugh, promising they would swim and calling it "entertainment."
Don't know for sure what they've been up to, but they are creepy AF. That pic of Gaga at the Spirit Cooking dinner with a young girl - who the heck takes their kids to something like that, even if it's just LARPing satanic rituals for art? They always lecture that they do everything 'for the children' yet expose them to all sorts of creepiness and neurosis (letter to my daughters, AGW killing polar bears!, etc.).
Posted by: Lizzy at December 06, 2016 01:15 PM (NOIQH)
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>>Former Defense Chief Leon Panetta: Congress Should Grant Mattis Waiver to Hvead Pentagon>>
Technically he doesn't need one as the 1947 Act is blatantly unconstitutional. Congress can't pass a law narrowing the President's constitutional authority to make appointments. They should get the waiver but if for some reasons the Dems blocked the 60 votes required McConnell should just have a vote to approve him and let Dems sue. They'd lose. 1947 Act is clearly unconsititutional.
Technically he doesn't need one as the 1947 Act is blatantly unconstitutional. Congress can't pass a law narrowing the President's constitutional authority to make appointments. They should get the waiver but if for some reasons the Dems blocked the 60 votes required McConnell should just have a vote to approve him and let Dems sue. They'd lose. 1947 Act is clearly unconsititutional.
Posted by: scofflaw_x at December 06, 2016 01:15 PM (IXleN)
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Frankly, I'm suspicious that anyone using the name "Pepe, Proud American Nationalist" is a moby trying to goad to the right into "falling for" some "fake news" so that later Our Progressive Betters can sneer and snicker at us for being so stupid that we are incapable of self-governance.
Either that, or it's a regular commenter doing some ill-advised sock-puppetry.
But like you, Independent George, I'm keeping an open mind on the topic but so far there is ZERO hard evidence of any actual crime. On the other hand, there is no evidence of innocence either. But in the US, you can't convict based on rumor and penumbras. Most of all, an actual victim would need to be identified, rather than the vague unnamed "children."
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2016 01:11 PM
What is wrong with American Nationalism exactly?
Have you looked into pizzagate at all? If you have then you would see that there are connections with Cultural Marxists who wish to normalize pedophilia and advocate for it on social media under the it's art or religion defense, which is Bullshit.
If we cannot even agree that sexualizing children and allowing sex with children is wrong as a nation then we are fucked.
Either that, or it's a regular commenter doing some ill-advised sock-puppetry.
But like you, Independent George, I'm keeping an open mind on the topic but so far there is ZERO hard evidence of any actual crime. On the other hand, there is no evidence of innocence either. But in the US, you can't convict based on rumor and penumbras. Most of all, an actual victim would need to be identified, rather than the vague unnamed "children."
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2016 01:11 PM
What is wrong with American Nationalism exactly?
Have you looked into pizzagate at all? If you have then you would see that there are connections with Cultural Marxists who wish to normalize pedophilia and advocate for it on social media under the it's art or religion defense, which is Bullshit.
If we cannot even agree that sexualizing children and allowing sex with children is wrong as a nation then we are fucked.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 01:16 PM (Gl29c)
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Like the writer of that piece. What's her great contribution to the human race and our country? Disaster engineering?
Give me a break.
What do you have to offer?
Give me a break.
What do you have to offer?
Posted by: blaster at December 06, 2016 01:18 PM (0+824)
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He had an affair while Director of Central Intelligence. The level of poor judgment you'd have to have to do that is staggering. It opens up the core of the most secret government functions to blackmail, at best. Your lover could be a spy or a dupe or an unwilling mole. You'd have to be 100% certain that you would HAVE to be caught, by any number of internal or external allies or foes.
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And he passed classified information to her.
He should not be SoS.
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And he passed classified information to her.
He should not be SoS.
Posted by: bluebell at December 06, 2016 01:19 PM (sBOL1)
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I don't know whats worse - Huntsman or Petraeus. Both self serving.
Why is the sec state thing taking so long? Bolton would be the best choice. Then Giuliani, then Romney.
They need to do something about Iran's nuclear program. The clock is ticking. Mattis is going to be against a strike. Flynn is probably a no too.
Why is the sec state thing taking so long? Bolton would be the best choice. Then Giuliani, then Romney.
They need to do something about Iran's nuclear program. The clock is ticking. Mattis is going to be against a strike. Flynn is probably a no too.
Posted by: Blain at December 06, 2016 01:20 PM (c6/53)
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What is wrong with American Nationalism exactly?
Have you looked into pizzagate at all? If you have then you would see that there are connections with Cultural Marxists who wish to normalize pedophilia and advocate for it on social media under the it's art or religion defense, which is Bullshit.
If we cannot even agree that sexualizing children and allowing sex with children is wrong as a nation then we are fucked.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 01:16 PM (Gl29c)
The problem is that these allegations, no matter how disgusting, need something much more substantive to make them stick.
I am reminded of all the people who chased the Obama Birth Will-O-Wisp.
In fact, I suspect that whole issue was designed to make well-meaning Patriots look foolish.
Have you looked into pizzagate at all? If you have then you would see that there are connections with Cultural Marxists who wish to normalize pedophilia and advocate for it on social media under the it's art or religion defense, which is Bullshit.
If we cannot even agree that sexualizing children and allowing sex with children is wrong as a nation then we are fucked.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 01:16 PM (Gl29c)
The problem is that these allegations, no matter how disgusting, need something much more substantive to make them stick.
I am reminded of all the people who chased the Obama Birth Will-O-Wisp.
In fact, I suspect that whole issue was designed to make well-meaning Patriots look foolish.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 06, 2016 01:21 PM (ujg0T)
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But like you, Independent George, I'm keeping an open mind on the topic but so far there is ZERO hard evidence of any actual crime. On the other hand, there is no evidence of innocence either. But in the US, you can't convict based on rumor and penumbras. Most of all, an actual victim would need to be identified, rather than the vague unnamed "children."
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2016 01:11 PM (jBuUi)
From what I've heard from people who actually work in the system, prosecuting child pron/sex rings is awfully difficult. More than most would imagine, mostly for the reasons you state: need for identifiable victims, when many of them are by their very nature, unidentifiable.
So you have to be really really stupid, or the law has to be really really lucky.
This might be better suited for the court of public opinion, rather than actual, you know, courts. Especially since this thing seems to involve lots of various power people, in media, in government, and in other places where power resides.
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2016 01:11 PM (jBuUi)
From what I've heard from people who actually work in the system, prosecuting child pron/sex rings is awfully difficult. More than most would imagine, mostly for the reasons you state: need for identifiable victims, when many of them are by their very nature, unidentifiable.
So you have to be really really stupid, or the law has to be really really lucky.
This might be better suited for the court of public opinion, rather than actual, you know, courts. Especially since this thing seems to involve lots of various power people, in media, in government, and in other places where power resides.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 06, 2016 01:21 PM (TOk1P)
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>>I am reminded of all the people who chased the Obama Birth Will-O-Wisp.
And who was one of the biggest supporters of birtherism?
And who was one of the biggest supporters of birtherism?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2016 01:25 PM (/tuJf)
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One problem, the pizza place doesn't have a basement.
Or so it has been claimed, recently. Except that a "local flavor" piece in the paper on Comet referred expressly to a basement in the past, as did other sources. Let's face it, the consequences of lies on that point or any others are nil, so why not lie boldly?
Or so it has been claimed, recently. Except that a "local flavor" piece in the paper on Comet referred expressly to a basement in the past, as did other sources. Let's face it, the consequences of lies on that point or any others are nil, so why not lie boldly?
Posted by: Sporkatus at December 06, 2016 01:27 PM (eXSOZ)
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Hunter boot socks in three different colors for the wife's Christmas stocking...
Yes, she's a lucky girl. I remind her daily.
Yes, she's a lucky girl. I remind her daily.
Posted by: jwest at December 06, 2016 01:29 PM (Zs4uk)
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>>Let's face it, the consequences of lies on that point or any others are nil, so why not lie boldly?
On both sides. I'll still wait for some actual evidence.
On both sides. I'll still wait for some actual evidence.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2016 01:30 PM (/tuJf)
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The problem is that these allegations, no matter how disgusting, need something much more substantive to make them stick.
I am reminded of all the people who chased the Obama Birth Will-O-Wisp.
In fact, I suspect that whole issue was designed to make well-meaning Patriots look foolish.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 06, 2016 01:21 PM (
Have you even seen the pictures from screen shots from social media accounts? I have.
Have you even taken the time to do any research yourself? I uave.
From the Franklin Cover-up/Boys Town to the Congressional Page scandal and now this. Plus the normalization of pedophilia @ is nothing new It's been on the radar since. O'Reilly broke the NAMBLA story like a decade ago.
If the public does not push back on this to protect our children, we are fucked as a country and will never agree to fight for any righteous and just cause.
I am reminded of all the people who chased the Obama Birth Will-O-Wisp.
In fact, I suspect that whole issue was designed to make well-meaning Patriots look foolish.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 06, 2016 01:21 PM (
Have you even seen the pictures from screen shots from social media accounts? I have.
Have you even taken the time to do any research yourself? I uave.
From the Franklin Cover-up/Boys Town to the Congressional Page scandal and now this. Plus the normalization of pedophilia @ is nothing new It's been on the radar since. O'Reilly broke the NAMBLA story like a decade ago.
If the public does not push back on this to protect our children, we are fucked as a country and will never agree to fight for any righteous and just cause.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 01:33 PM (Gl29c)
Posted by: Skzion at December 06, 2016 01:35 PM (kFXpv)
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#42 Actually, it's prudent to utterly destroy your enemies. The Machiavellian thing of "never do your enemy a small injury". I think the Magic Scalp Weasel really understands that maxim. And he's pulling it off in spades.
Mr. Cur, Are you a mind reader or psychic? Rush Lambaugh is saying this exact same thing right not on his radio show. Great minds thinking alike, right?
Mr. Cur, Are you a mind reader or psychic? Rush Lambaugh is saying this exact same thing right not on his radio show. Great minds thinking alike, right?
Posted by: areswoman at December 06, 2016 01:36 PM (Rx2dv)
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162 139 Hey Snopes has already said pizzagate is bunk so case closed, right?
Posted by: brak at December 06, 2016 12:55 PM (guIHw)
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Yeah their debunking is basically linking to a NYT piece which declares it to be fake news. If you haven't already, read the link I posted above about the NYT and Snopes debunking pizzagate.
Btw, Mark Thompson, the CEO of the NYT, was head of BBC when the Jimmy Saville thing broke. I read an article from the Telegraph that Thompson did his best to cover up the Saville thing.
Posted by: Independent George at December 06, 2016 12:59 PM (BDZWU)
You don't say.
Posted by: brak at December 06, 2016 12:55 PM (guIHw)
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Yeah their debunking is basically linking to a NYT piece which declares it to be fake news. If you haven't already, read the link I posted above about the NYT and Snopes debunking pizzagate.
Btw, Mark Thompson, the CEO of the NYT, was head of BBC when the Jimmy Saville thing broke. I read an article from the Telegraph that Thompson did his best to cover up the Saville thing.
Posted by: Independent George at December 06, 2016 12:59 PM (BDZWU)
You don't say.
Posted by: rickl at December 06, 2016 01:39 PM (zoehZ)
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Romney could play the super-civilized negotiator, the good cop. I could see that. So if--- (and that's a really big IF) --- one could forgive his nasty electoral-season behavior, he might be fine.
Using Romney in this manner would be a stroke of genius. I'm stoked for Mattis as SecDef, and Romney's Good Paladin alignment could round be an asset to the party, if used properly. Petraeus strikes me as an insecure hypercompetitive liar with poor taste in mistresses (receding hairlines have been out since the late Renaissance).
Using Romney in this manner would be a stroke of genius. I'm stoked for Mattis as SecDef, and Romney's Good Paladin alignment could round be an asset to the party, if used properly. Petraeus strikes me as an insecure hypercompetitive liar with poor taste in mistresses (receding hairlines have been out since the late Renaissance).
Posted by: svejk at December 06, 2016 01:39 PM (Q9/k4)
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Fair enough. I respect what Petey did in Iraq but he's got judgement issues. He picked the wrong horse and Hilary didn't make it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 06, 2016 01:41 PM (xJa6I)
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In fact, I suspect that whole issue was designed to make well-meaning Patriots look foolish.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 06, 2016 01:21 PM (
Have you even seen the pictures from screen shots from social media accounts? I have.
Have you even taken the time to do any research yourself? I have.
From the Franklin Cover-up/Boys Town to the Congressional Page scandal and now this. Plus the normalization of pedophilia @ is nothing new It's been on the radar since. O'Reilly broke the NAMBLA story like a decade ago.
If the public does not push back on this to protect our children, we are fucked as a country and will never agree to fight for any righteous and just cause.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 01:33 PM (Gl29c)
My doubt was not about Pizzagate, but Birtherism. I honestly don't know about Pizzagate. I just don't want it to end up in the same place as Birtherism.
The House page scandal I remember back in the 1980s, where Gerry Studds got away with boy-buttfucking and stayed in Congress, was disgusting.
But are we saying there is a ring doing this, that goes back decades?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 06, 2016 01:21 PM (
Have you even seen the pictures from screen shots from social media accounts? I have.
Have you even taken the time to do any research yourself? I have.
From the Franklin Cover-up/Boys Town to the Congressional Page scandal and now this. Plus the normalization of pedophilia @ is nothing new It's been on the radar since. O'Reilly broke the NAMBLA story like a decade ago.
If the public does not push back on this to protect our children, we are fucked as a country and will never agree to fight for any righteous and just cause.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 06, 2016 01:33 PM (Gl29c)
My doubt was not about Pizzagate, but Birtherism. I honestly don't know about Pizzagate. I just don't want it to end up in the same place as Birtherism.
The House page scandal I remember back in the 1980s, where Gerry Studds got away with boy-buttfucking and stayed in Congress, was disgusting.
But are we saying there is a ring doing this, that goes back decades?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 06, 2016 01:43 PM (ujg0T)
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"The Secretary of State is supposed to be someone who can say to a
foreign leader, 'Nice country you got here -- we wouldn't want anything
to happen to it,' and still come across as likable and reassuring."
Talleyrand defined a diplomat as someone who can say "Nice doggie!" while reaching for a rock. I think Mitt could do that, and do it well.
foreign leader, 'Nice country you got here -- we wouldn't want anything
to happen to it,' and still come across as likable and reassuring."
Talleyrand defined a diplomat as someone who can say "Nice doggie!" while reaching for a rock. I think Mitt could do that, and do it well.
Posted by: Brown Line at December 06, 2016 01:47 PM (xgyfF)
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He was a hard nope for me solely based on his idea that it's totes cool to violate the standards on handling of classified material based upon where he sticks his penis.
Posted by: no good deed at December 06, 2016 01:48 PM (hJamr)
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denial of Muslim immigration is an act of war. Or recognizing they have declared war and are moving soldiers into our barracks one at a time.
Slow wins the war for Allah. The world following Islam, Christians and Jews paying Taqqiyyah. Simple plan for their god who I know as the adversary.
Slow wins the war for Allah. The world following Islam, Christians and Jews paying Taqqiyyah. Simple plan for their god who I know as the adversary.
Posted by: talgus da deplorable at December 06, 2016 01:53 PM (fJQAI)
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Both Podestas are super-creepy. It's Tony Podesta that has the icky art collection.
If a police crime scene sketch resembles you that is a one in a million chance. If two crime scene sketches resemble you and your brother who looks little or nothing like you - that is a one in a trillion chance. If both of you were also thousands of miles away from home and only three and a half miles away from the crime scene while staying at the mansion of a known pedophile at the time of the crime - that is a one in a Quintilian chance that it is all a coincidence.
http://tinyurl.com/j79phpy
If a police crime scene sketch resembles you that is a one in a million chance. If two crime scene sketches resemble you and your brother who looks little or nothing like you - that is a one in a trillion chance. If both of you were also thousands of miles away from home and only three and a half miles away from the crime scene while staying at the mansion of a known pedophile at the time of the crime - that is a one in a Quintilian chance that it is all a coincidence.
http://tinyurl.com/j79phpy
Posted by: An Observation at December 06, 2016 02:06 PM (swnN1)
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Ace,
Thanks for this post. I was mildly against Petraeus, mostly for his handling of secret information, but this quotation is unbelievable:
"It is precisely because the danger of Islamist extremism is so great that politicians here and abroad who toy with anti-Muslim bigotry must consider the effects of their rhetoric."
So...we mustn't say mean things to the people who are killing us because they might continue to kill us?
Fvck him.
Thanks for this post. I was mildly against Petraeus, mostly for his handling of secret information, but this quotation is unbelievable:
"It is precisely because the danger of Islamist extremism is so great that politicians here and abroad who toy with anti-Muslim bigotry must consider the effects of their rhetoric."
So...we mustn't say mean things to the people who are killing us because they might continue to kill us?
Fvck him.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 06, 2016 02:36 PM (42Mgr)
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Have stated a few times in the past weeks he might be great but the baggage puts him right below Hillary.
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2016 02:36 PM (5sOEp)
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I'll still wait for some actual evidence.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2016 01:30 PM (/tuJf)
Dude! What the fvck? This is the internet!
Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2016 01:30 PM (/tuJf)
Dude! What the fvck? This is the internet!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 06, 2016 02:41 PM (42Mgr)
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Wow, thanks for putting me on to that article. NeverPetraeus.
Posted by: Dennis G at December 06, 2016 03:23 PM (2VaeY)
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Anyone who criticized Hillary has no right to not agree with you. Facts are facts. I've wondered how someone who has actually shared state secrets would be able to pass a security check for such a top job? It just wouldn't be right. Rule of law and all that.
Posted by: Ruth H at December 06, 2016 03:24 PM (l9C+M)
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So the lefties were right in 2007 when they called him betrayus? His surge was success was as fake as a three dollar bill anyway.
Posted by: WJ at December 06, 2016 03:56 PM (n4CXU)
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I'm fine with the "No to Petraeus" position, but for the love of god, can we please leave out stupid shit like "he lied to his wife" in the category of "things that disqualify you from X", PLEASE?!!!?!?!
If that were an actual thing, you basically couldn't have any actual humans in any of these positions. You definitely couldn't have anyone that was divorced, that's for DAMN sure.
I mean, I suppose I expect such stupidity from the prudish idiots at the Federalist who never found a morality tale they couldn't peddle, but good lord.
If that were an actual thing, you basically couldn't have any actual humans in any of these positions. You definitely couldn't have anyone that was divorced, that's for DAMN sure.
I mean, I suppose I expect such stupidity from the prudish idiots at the Federalist who never found a morality tale they couldn't peddle, but good lord.
Posted by: deadrody at December 06, 2016 04:02 PM (kj7T1)
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I know the FBI agent who brought the case against Petraeus. He said it was a slam dunk. Why hire a convict for that job?
Posted by: IanDeal at December 06, 2016 04:04 PM (teGBX)
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Greetings:
In a country of 300 million people somewhere there has got to be someone with the wherewithal to be Secretary of State that doesn't have a criminal record.
You know, that whole Caesar's wife thing.
In a country of 300 million people somewhere there has got to be someone with the wherewithal to be Secretary of State that doesn't have a criminal record.
You know, that whole Caesar's wife thing.
Posted by: 11B40 at December 06, 2016 04:20 PM (evgyj)
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I worked for then MG Petraeus for two years. He got us sharpened for Iraq, and from one end of that dump to the other with very minimal casualties. My infantry battalion lost more guys to alcohol and motorcycles once we got home. He was rather nice every time I dealt with him while he was in command (of course I was four levels downhill) and a few times since. He inarguably is a genius.
That said, I trust him slightly less far than I can throw his little ass. He married the Superintendent's daughter, Holly being the daughter of then LTG Knowlton who retired as the four star NATO commander. His fellow captains at the 24th hated him. Three of those went on to be generals as well, being Casey, McChrystal, and Bolger, plus Kratman who was being groomed for stars but got out.
When he was a battalion commander here, his CSM hated him, and 2/187 had a better battalion commander. That guy didn't make general because he hadn't been a general's aide or have a father in law with four stars.
Like I said, he ran a good division. But his deputy and he got along like two cats in a sack. And BG Freakley retired with three, so he was no slacker either.
But the best summation of him was from one of his former peers. "Dave is in it for Dave. If you do a good job for Dave, he will take care of you as long as it doesn't cost him much. He is inarguably a genius that does good work. But never confuse his priorities."
That is why he spent a lot of time getting chummy with Hillary Clinton after she tore into him in the Senate hearings in 2007. He just wanted to secure that flank. But it is a potential enemy tie.
After the Broadwell thing, he's done. You get one fuckup at that level and he had his.
That said, I trust him slightly less far than I can throw his little ass. He married the Superintendent's daughter, Holly being the daughter of then LTG Knowlton who retired as the four star NATO commander. His fellow captains at the 24th hated him. Three of those went on to be generals as well, being Casey, McChrystal, and Bolger, plus Kratman who was being groomed for stars but got out.
When he was a battalion commander here, his CSM hated him, and 2/187 had a better battalion commander. That guy didn't make general because he hadn't been a general's aide or have a father in law with four stars.
Like I said, he ran a good division. But his deputy and he got along like two cats in a sack. And BG Freakley retired with three, so he was no slacker either.
But the best summation of him was from one of his former peers. "Dave is in it for Dave. If you do a good job for Dave, he will take care of you as long as it doesn't cost him much. He is inarguably a genius that does good work. But never confuse his priorities."
That is why he spent a lot of time getting chummy with Hillary Clinton after she tore into him in the Senate hearings in 2007. He just wanted to secure that flank. But it is a potential enemy tie.
After the Broadwell thing, he's done. You get one fuckup at that level and he had his.
Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at December 06, 2016 04:22 PM (jeefx)
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We had a saying in Iraq: General Order One does not apply to general Officers.
Posted by: butch at December 06, 2016 06:17 PM (0APJ3)
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Butch, that was what got Chuck Swannack of the 82nd sacked and out of the Army early. He had a junior enlisted girlfriend, his wife busted him out to the XVIII Airborne Corps CG (O'Neil, IIRC), and it went to DA.
Swannack claimed it was because he crossed Rumsfeld, but that was bullshit. It was strictly his fucking around.
Swannack claimed it was because he crossed Rumsfeld, but that was bullshit. It was strictly his fucking around.
Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at December 06, 2016 10:48 PM (jeefx)
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Agree- SecState should not have to check with his probation officer to leave his state- also IIRC he joined Gabby Giffords/Mark Kelly's gun control group. Out on both counts for me.
Posted by: Carsie Young at December 06, 2016 11:42 PM (XkohI)
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Petraeus can't be trusted! He is responsible for re-writing the deadly ROE's that caused the deaths of many of our soldiers. Then there is his regular attendance at the Bilderberg meeting where he has been spotted regularly. Whatever happened to him - he is no longer interested in the well being of our troops but has joined the shadow government bandwagon.
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