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The Conceit of The Intelligentsia That Politicans Are Intelligent
John Podhoretz is a smug and arrogant pundit...pretty much the epitome of inside-the-beltway journalism and thought, in spite of his right-of-center leanings. He's a fan of an open immigration policy, which he justifies at least partly on the basis of his Jewishness. I find that offensive and stupid in the extreme. The great waves of immigration that brought Germans and Irish and Italians and Jews to America occurred during a slightly different time. That he can justify an open-borders policy in light of our current economic difficulties suggests to me that he isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is. Needless to say, he is no fan of Donald Trump, but this article has some interesting points, chief among them that Donald Trump is not playing by the rules because he is not operating with some grand plan.Trump makes sense once you realize you're watching improv
But we're missing one profound thing about Trump, and we keep missing it, and we will continue to miss it: Trump is not a politician. He doesn't think of himself as a politician, and he doesn't act like a politician, and we're all desperately trying to fit him into our understanding of what he's supposed to be.
The problem is that Podhoretz doesn't cast the same analytical eye on every other politician. Perhaps Trump is improvising, but the experience of the last eight years should have taught Podhoretz that grand plans executed by politicians rarely work. Because they are not as smart as they think they are...just like Johnny boy!
They all went to the same schools, and go to the same parties and restaurants and bars, and -- probably -- use the same hookers. So it is not surprising that in the echo chamber of the Acela corridor they all are tremendously impressed with their collective intelligence. But....I watched Trump make "mistake" after "mistake" for months. He misspoke, he insulted, he inflamed, he changed his views. He went off script so much that it was obvious there was no script. And worst of all, he went after the media. In short, he did everything the Acela crowd knew...KNEW...wouldn't work. He screwed up so much that he got elected President of the United States of America. So what does that say about the pundits who are now flailing around trying to find another way to criticize him? A long time ago, the phrase, "Subvert The Dominant Paradigm" was in vogue. The Acela crowd has been the paradigm for a generation. That they are being subverted hasn't sunk in yet.Comments
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Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 02:02 PM (hLRSq)
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Ello
Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 02, 2016 02:02 PM (hk1x8)
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I'll get the others
Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 02, 2016 02:02 PM (hk1x8)
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Important part of this post: " Trump is not a politician".
Those who judge him as such are starting out wrong- footed.
Those who judge him as such are starting out wrong- footed.
Posted by: tubal at December 02, 2016 02:02 PM (d6TTt)
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Sheila Jackson Lee is smart!
Posted by: garrett at December 02, 2016 02:03 PM (PeNEi)
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"But we're missing one profound thing about Trump, and we keep missing
it, and we will continue to miss it: Trump is not a politician."
Who's this "we," buddy?
it, and we will continue to miss it: Trump is not a politician."
Who's this "we," buddy?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 02:03 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: garrett at December 02, 2016 02:03 PM (PeNEi)
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They all went to the same schools, and go to the same parties and restaurants and bars, and -- probably -- use the same hookers.
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Probably only one, a poor illegal alien boy from Honduras.
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Probably only one, a poor illegal alien boy from Honduras.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 02, 2016 02:04 PM (7ZVPa)
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I bet you Trump won't even reduce our insurance premiums by 3000% in all 57 states.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 02, 2016 02:04 PM (X7E8f)
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6 "But we're missing one profound thing about Trump, and we keep missing
it, and we will continue to miss it: Trump is not a politician."
Who's this "we," buddy?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 02:03 PM (NOIQH)
The little mouse that sits in the blog, Ma'am.
Trump is an insurgent.
it, and we will continue to miss it: Trump is not a politician."
Who's this "we," buddy?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 02:03 PM (NOIQH)
The little mouse that sits in the blog, Ma'am.
Trump is an insurgent.
Posted by: tubal at December 02, 2016 02:04 PM (d6TTt)
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The Conceit of The Intelligentsia That Politicans Are Intelligent
Guam will tip over!
Flag on Mars!
Guam will tip over!
Flag on Mars!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:04 PM (SgI6S)
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>>Perhaps Trump is improvising, but the experience of the last eight years
should have taught Podhoretz that grand plans executed by politicians
rarely work.
Trump has been in business and in the public eye for a loooong time. He's behaving according to what has made him successful at both, not trying to please the MSM and get re-elected.
People joke about Trump 2020, but I hope he only plans on 1 term so that he packs in as much change as he can make with no worries about getting re-elected. Given his age, he needs to do this stuff now.
should have taught Podhoretz that grand plans executed by politicians
rarely work.
Trump has been in business and in the public eye for a loooong time. He's behaving according to what has made him successful at both, not trying to please the MSM and get re-elected.
People joke about Trump 2020, but I hope he only plans on 1 term so that he packs in as much change as he can make with no worries about getting re-elected. Given his age, he needs to do this stuff now.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 02:05 PM (NOIQH)
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Guam will tip over!
Flag on Mars!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:04 PM (SgI6S)
Fire can't melt steel!
Flag on Mars!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:04 PM (SgI6S)
Fire can't melt steel!
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 02, 2016 02:05 PM (PRtT5)
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I want to hear more about Megan Kelly's preternatuural ability to read my erection.
Posted by: garrett at December 02, 2016 02:05 PM (PeNEi)
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5 Sheila Jackson Lee is smart!
Posted by: garrett at December 02, 2016 02:03 PM (PeNEi)
I read that in the voice of the ST:TNG evil space retards.
Posted by: garrett at December 02, 2016 02:03 PM (PeNEi)
I read that in the voice of the ST:TNG evil space retards.
Posted by: josephistan at December 02, 2016 02:06 PM (7HtZB)
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But we're missing one profound thing about Trump, and we keep missing
it, and we will continue to miss it: Trump is not a politician. He
doesn't think of himself as a politician, and he doesn't act like a
politician, and we're all desperately trying to fit him into our
understanding of what he's supposed to be.
That was a major plot feature of one of the Tom Clancy Jack Ryan books. Executive Orders I think.
it, and we will continue to miss it: Trump is not a politician. He
doesn't think of himself as a politician, and he doesn't act like a
politician, and we're all desperately trying to fit him into our
understanding of what he's supposed to be.
That was a major plot feature of one of the Tom Clancy Jack Ryan books. Executive Orders I think.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 02, 2016 02:06 PM (mpXpK)
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Yes yes yes that's all well and good, but I'm microaggressed that you used a lower case "i" in Eyetalian.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:06 PM (Zokmo)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 02, 2016 02:06 PM (voOPb)
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In short, he did everything the Acela crowd knew...KNEW...wouldn't work.
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It used to be that when your test generated results that didn't match your theory, that you discarded your theory and started with a new one that met the new facts.
We have moved from science to SCIENCE of course, and now when your experiment disproves your theory, your reject the facts, not the theory
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It used to be that when your test generated results that didn't match your theory, that you discarded your theory and started with a new one that met the new facts.
We have moved from science to SCIENCE of course, and now when your experiment disproves your theory, your reject the facts, not the theory
Posted by: 18-1 at December 02, 2016 02:06 PM (X7E8f)
Posted by: Central Scrutinizer at December 02, 2016 02:07 PM (vI+F1)
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"Donald Trump is not playing by the rules because he is not operating with some grand plan."
Donald Trump is not an ideologue. I know that and I will bet that most everyone here grasped that in the summer of 2015. He isn't playing by the political rules which - again - was nose-on-face obvious back in summer 2015.
And by not being bound to the political strategy manual the professionals concocted to benefit the professionals who concocted it - consultants, strategists, fundraisers, and pundits - Donald Trump beat them all at their own game.
They now are forced to face that reality. I wonder how many will?
Donald Trump is not an ideologue. I know that and I will bet that most everyone here grasped that in the summer of 2015. He isn't playing by the political rules which - again - was nose-on-face obvious back in summer 2015.
And by not being bound to the political strategy manual the professionals concocted to benefit the professionals who concocted it - consultants, strategists, fundraisers, and pundits - Donald Trump beat them all at their own game.
They now are forced to face that reality. I wonder how many will?
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 02:07 PM (hLRSq)
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Also based on reading news reports and discussions I don't see that Trump mad that many real mistakes in the campaign. You sure as hell can not trust "quotes" by the MFM on that.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 02, 2016 02:07 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 02, 2016 02:08 PM (hk1x8)
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>>They all went to the same schools, and go to the same parties and restaurants and bars...
Hell, Podhoretz was born into this racket - he got his foot in the door thanks to his dad, Norm Podhoretz, right? Same goes for a lot of these DC insiders. There are more dynasties in DC than just political dynasties.
Hell, Podhoretz was born into this racket - he got his foot in the door thanks to his dad, Norm Podhoretz, right? Same goes for a lot of these DC insiders. There are more dynasties in DC than just political dynasties.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 02:09 PM (NOIQH)
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I'm transporting this from the last thread because I think this thread is a better fit for it"
"Now Larry Summers, Harvard business heavyweight and perennial Washington insider, is wringing his hands is the WaPo over the Carrier deal and what it will mean for American capitalism."
My takes:
(1) Like Scott Adams, I believe it is to set an immediate tone for the administration. See '12 O'clock High' when Gregory Peck's character takes over the dysfunctional bomber group. The first person he lays into is the guard on duty for being slovenly.
(2) It let's other nations know that the Trump Administration is going to take American interests into account first, and probably second or third.
(3) Regarding capital, it is letting Wall Street and all of the funds traders know that squeezing the last penny of dividend out of a company is not a priority of the Trump Administration. Their interest is but one interest to be taken into account and get in line.
(4) It gives Trump's supporters a sign that he heard them and means to do what he said. Whether he accomplishes all is irrelevant, he is signaling that his intentions and his statements are the same.
"Now Larry Summers, Harvard business heavyweight and perennial Washington insider, is wringing his hands is the WaPo over the Carrier deal and what it will mean for American capitalism."
My takes:
(1) Like Scott Adams, I believe it is to set an immediate tone for the administration. See '12 O'clock High' when Gregory Peck's character takes over the dysfunctional bomber group. The first person he lays into is the guard on duty for being slovenly.
(2) It let's other nations know that the Trump Administration is going to take American interests into account first, and probably second or third.
(3) Regarding capital, it is letting Wall Street and all of the funds traders know that squeezing the last penny of dividend out of a company is not a priority of the Trump Administration. Their interest is but one interest to be taken into account and get in line.
(4) It gives Trump's supporters a sign that he heard them and means to do what he said. Whether he accomplishes all is irrelevant, he is signaling that his intentions and his statements are the same.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 02:09 PM (hLRSq)
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22 Also based on reading news reports and discussions I don't see that Trump mad that many real mistakes in the campaign. You sure as hell can not trust "quotes" by the MFM on that.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 02, 2016 02:07 PM (mpXpK)
Yep. Buying into Mass Communications " defining of" Trump, well, I hope everyone here knows better than that.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 02, 2016 02:07 PM (mpXpK)
Yep. Buying into Mass Communications " defining of" Trump, well, I hope everyone here knows better than that.
Posted by: tubal at December 02, 2016 02:09 PM (d6TTt)
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"He screwed up so much that he got elected president of the United States of America."
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This makes me giggle.
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This makes me giggle.
Posted by: SMFH - 9-2 at December 02, 2016 02:10 PM (CRotO)
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"you discarded your theory and started with a new one"
The problem with doing that in politics and punditry is that you become a traitor to team A and untrusted in team B. in science you're just some guy who was wrong once and might be right the second time.
The problem with doing that in politics and punditry is that you become a traitor to team A and untrusted in team B. in science you're just some guy who was wrong once and might be right the second time.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 02, 2016 02:11 PM (czuvT)
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you used a lower case "i" in Eyetalian.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:06 PM (Zokmo)
Mea culpa...mea maxima culpa.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:06 PM (Zokmo)
Mea culpa...mea maxima culpa.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:11 PM (42Mgr)
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"He's a fan of an open immigration policy, which he justifies at least partly on the basis of his Jewishness. I find that offensive and stupid in the extreme."
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I'd love for a good explanation of why Jewish "conservatives" seemed to be so virulently anti-trump and pro-Hillary. It has to be more than immigration.
Dennis Praeger was about he only Jewish conservative willing to back him.
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I'd love for a good explanation of why Jewish "conservatives" seemed to be so virulently anti-trump and pro-Hillary. It has to be more than immigration.
Dennis Praeger was about he only Jewish conservative willing to back him.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:11 PM (lO4Gp)
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They all went to the same schools, and go to the same parties and restaurants and bars, and -- probably -- use the same hookers. So it is not surprising that in the echo chamber of the Acela corridor they all are tremendously impressed with their collective intelligence.
Beautiful. The Acela crowd also doesn't live in or near areas where there are high levels of illegal immigrants. Rent a shack in East LA John and deal with a neighborhood of MS-13 gang members, trash, graffiti, and high crime.
Beautiful. The Acela crowd also doesn't live in or near areas where there are high levels of illegal immigrants. Rent a shack in East LA John and deal with a neighborhood of MS-13 gang members, trash, graffiti, and high crime.
Posted by: Cheri at December 02, 2016 02:11 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: rickl - THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU at December 02, 2016 02:11 PM (zoehZ)
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It isn't difficult to figure out Trump.
He's a businessman, and a relatively decent one, who also has a YUUUGGGEEE ego.
Being a businessman he knows in order to have his business be successful, which in this case is now The United States of American, he's going to have to be positive, lead by example, communicate well and frequently with his "employees" (the People), find the best people for all of the top jobs in his administration, and deal directly and forcefully with his competitors (the Dems and our enemies overseas). All of which he's doing and will continue to do.
Very simple, which explains why Podhoretz doesn't get it.
He's a businessman, and a relatively decent one, who also has a YUUUGGGEEE ego.
Being a businessman he knows in order to have his business be successful, which in this case is now The United States of American, he's going to have to be positive, lead by example, communicate well and frequently with his "employees" (the People), find the best people for all of the top jobs in his administration, and deal directly and forcefully with his competitors (the Dems and our enemies overseas). All of which he's doing and will continue to do.
Very simple, which explains why Podhoretz doesn't get it.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 02, 2016 02:12 PM (CS7jF)
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Until it was pulled from the net, I watched that The Young Turks election night video several times. Not only did it crack me up, but early on in the evening it's obvious that these *news* people would have BET THEIR LIFE that Trump wouldn't win. And it was just amazing to watch how things changed over the course of the evening. Almost like atheists being confronted by God. They just could not believe or deal with it.
Posted by: HH at December 02, 2016 02:12 PM (DrCtv)
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"He screwed up so much that he got elected president of the United States of America."
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This makes me giggle.
Posted by: SMFH
Like a hyena on nitrous oxide.
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This makes me giggle.
Posted by: SMFH
Like a hyena on nitrous oxide.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:12 PM (SgI6S)
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I hope Trump cancels the correspondent's dinner.
Posted by: ryukyu at December 02, 2016 02:12 PM (rz1W/)
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14 I want to hear more about Megan Kelly's preternatuural ability to read my erection.
Posted by: garrett at December 02, 2016 02:05 PM (PeNEi)
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I swear that there's braille on it. Try it again megan honey. maybe use the tongue...
Posted by: garrett at December 02, 2016 02:05 PM (PeNEi)
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I swear that there's braille on it. Try it again megan honey. maybe use the tongue...
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 02, 2016 02:12 PM (h/uSM)
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They all went to the same schools, and go to the same parties and restaurants and bars, and -- probably -- use the same hookers. So it is not surprising that in the echo chamber of the Acela corridor they all are tremendously impressed with their collective intelligence.
Obama: "Those jobs aren't coming back and there's no way for him to bring them back."
Dumbass wasn't just talking shit. He really didn't think anything could be done
Obama: "Those jobs aren't coming back and there's no way for him to bring them back."
Dumbass wasn't just talking shit. He really didn't think anything could be done
Posted by: buzzion at December 02, 2016 02:13 PM (bMG0w)
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Hmm. The Food and Nutrition Service says that the number one item purchased with food stamps is soft drinks, $357 million purchased in 2011.
Other popular items your tax dollars supply to food stamp recipients: bag snacks to the tune of $200 million per year, candy at $96 million annually, and $90 million worth of ice cream.
Other popular items your tax dollars supply to food stamp recipients: bag snacks to the tune of $200 million per year, candy at $96 million annually, and $90 million worth of ice cream.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 02, 2016 02:13 PM (7ZVPa)
Posted by: garrett at December 02, 2016 02:13 PM (PeNEi)
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I'd love for a good explanation of why Jewish "conservatives" seemed to be so virulently anti-trump and pro-Hillary. It has to be more than immigration.
Which is why I'm praying that Ellison gets picked for the DNC. I want to see them defend that muzzie prick.
Which is why I'm praying that Ellison gets picked for the DNC. I want to see them defend that muzzie prick.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:13 PM (SgI6S)
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>>Rent a shack in East LA John and deal with a neighborhood of MS-13 gang members, trash, graffiti, and high crime.
MS-13 has had a presence in N. VA for years and I recall reading that it has crept into DC. John or some of his friends/co-workers may soon be feeling Obama's diversity tangibly.
MS-13 has had a presence in N. VA for years and I recall reading that it has crept into DC. John or some of his friends/co-workers may soon be feeling Obama's diversity tangibly.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 02:13 PM (NOIQH)
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Sounds like he has been listening to Rush.
Posted by: Javems at December 02, 2016 02:13 PM (yOqwj)
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His appeal to the people, especially the white working class, was that he wasn't one of the cognoscenti, the courtiers. He signaled this by not being like them in their most obvious signs: how they speak and how they interact. People got the message and rewarded him for it.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (RD7QR)
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Earlier this week, the inventor of the Big Mac died, now ...
Chef Peng Chang-kuei, the founder of the famous Hunan-style restaurant chain Peng's Garden Hunan Restaurant and inventor of the world famous Chinese dish General Tso's Chicken, died on Nov. 30 at the age of 98 from Pneumonia.
Chef Peng Chang-kuei, the founder of the famous Hunan-style restaurant chain Peng's Garden Hunan Restaurant and inventor of the world famous Chinese dish General Tso's Chicken, died on Nov. 30 at the age of 98 from Pneumonia.
Posted by: undocumented illegal chef at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (e8kgV)
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I hope everyone here knows better than that.
Posted by: tubal at December 02, 2016 02:09 PM (d6TTt)
Did you notice that the word mistake was in quotations?
Posted by: tubal at December 02, 2016 02:09 PM (d6TTt)
Did you notice that the word mistake was in quotations?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (42Mgr)
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"you discarded your theory and started with a new one"
Ideologues and fanatics cannot do that. Hence the outrage over free trade. Free trade is a good thing if it benefits us. Some people see it as a totem, a symbol for marking their tribe.
An economic thing - good or bad depending on other circumstances - is turned into a political totem to mark a tribe whether it is good or bad.
Ideologues and fanatics cannot do that. Hence the outrage over free trade. Free trade is a good thing if it benefits us. Some people see it as a totem, a symbol for marking their tribe.
An economic thing - good or bad depending on other circumstances - is turned into a political totem to mark a tribe whether it is good or bad.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (hLRSq)
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Trump is improvising, but more importantly, he's doing so informed by and understanding Reality TV culture. He know what reaches people and interests them, he knows what attracts attention. Its not the nice guys or the smart guys or even the capable guys that get the prize in a reality show. Its the ones who play best to the audience and manipulate everyone best. They can be dumb or shocking or outrageous, but they are interesting and entertaining.
Posted by: Popeye at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (39g3+)
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Obama: "Those jobs aren't coming back and there's no way for him to bring them back."
Dumbass wasn't just talking shit. He really didn't think anything could be done
Posted by: buzzion
Because he didn't know how. Never worked a day in his life.
Dumbass wasn't just talking shit. He really didn't think anything could be done
Posted by: buzzion
Because he didn't know how. Never worked a day in his life.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (SgI6S)
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Obama: "Those jobs aren't coming back and there's no way for him to bring them back."
Dumbass wasn't just talking shit. He really didn't think anything could be done
Posted by: buzzion
He didn't care because it was Indiana. A bunch of red state hicks.
Had say a company decided to outsource in Illinois , he would have been on the phone threatening the CEO.
Dumbass wasn't just talking shit. He really didn't think anything could be done
Posted by: buzzion
He didn't care because it was Indiana. A bunch of red state hicks.
Had say a company decided to outsource in Illinois , he would have been on the phone threatening the CEO.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (lO4Gp)
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This ties in perfectly with the latest Scott Adams post.
https://tinyurl.com/h7yhatm
Posted by: rickl - THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU at December 02, 2016 02:11 PM (zoehZ)
Certainly a lot better read than the tripe coming from Penzey's latest email about CEO's.
This ties in perfectly with the latest Scott Adams post.
https://tinyurl.com/h7yhatm
Posted by: rickl - THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU at December 02, 2016 02:11 PM (zoehZ)
Certainly a lot better read than the tripe coming from Penzey's latest email about CEO's.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 02, 2016 02:15 PM (jxbfJ)
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>>Other popular items your tax dollars supply to food stamp recipients: bag snacks to the tune of $200 million per year, candy at $96 million annually, and $90 million worth of ice cream.
It's for the childrun!
It's for the childrun!
Posted by: garrett at December 02, 2016 02:15 PM (PeNEi)
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I'm smart! Not like everybody says....like dumb.....I'm smart and I want respect
Posted by: John Fredo Podhoretz, rolling on the floor, kicking his feet at December 02, 2016 02:15 PM (AGJqR)
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Third!
Posted by: Confused Guy at December 02, 2016 02:15 PM (OYSuG)
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I am reminded of the email about the Hillary team passing around a tweet for 12 hours. It was never tweeted.
Yeah. They're brilliant.
Yeah. They're brilliant.
Posted by: Golfman at December 02, 2016 02:15 PM (zdQaN)
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Rent a shack in East LA John and deal with a neighborhood of MS-13 gang members, trash, graffiti, and high crime.
MS-13 has had a presence in N. VA for years and I recall reading that it has crept into DC. John or some of his friends/co-workers may soon be feeling Obama's diversity tangibly.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 02:13 PM (NOIQH)
The only way the "elites" may wake up is if they get up close and personal with all of the crap they support and want shoved down our throats
MS-13 has had a presence in N. VA for years and I recall reading that it has crept into DC. John or some of his friends/co-workers may soon be feeling Obama's diversity tangibly.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 02:13 PM (NOIQH)
The only way the "elites" may wake up is if they get up close and personal with all of the crap they support and want shoved down our throats
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 02, 2016 02:16 PM (493sH)
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In case you haven't seen it.
Drudge has Paul Ryan pic captioned, Walk of Shame.
Which goes to a Scott Pelly interview where he asked if Ryan has explained the job of President to Trump.
So they have learned nothing.
Not. One. Damned. Thing.
Drudge has Paul Ryan pic captioned, Walk of Shame.
Which goes to a Scott Pelly interview where he asked if Ryan has explained the job of President to Trump.
So they have learned nothing.
Not. One. Damned. Thing.
Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 02, 2016 02:16 PM (hk1x8)
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Trump is doing what The People want, rather than trying to make The People do what The Rulers want.
Posted by: davidt at December 02, 2016 02:16 PM (XoldI)
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JPud was a useless waste of time during the first weekend of Weinerama, and hasn't got any better since.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 02, 2016 02:17 PM (czuvT)
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People joke about Trump 2020, but I hope he only plans on 1 term so that he packs in as much change as he can make with no worries about getting re-elected. Given his age, he needs to do this stuff now.
(As someone last thread said)
Mattis in 2020.
Vote "Mad Dog 2020"
(As someone last thread said)
Mattis in 2020.
Vote "Mad Dog 2020"
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:17 PM (SgI6S)
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I'd love for a good explanation of why Jewish "conservatives" seemed to be so virulently anti-trump and pro-Hillary. It has to be more than immigration.
Which is why I'm praying that Ellison gets picked for the DNC. I want to see them defend that muzzie prick.
Posted by: rickb223
Oh, don't worry, they will.
Even after the Iran deal which basically gave Iran the nuclear tech to wipe out Israel, like 80% voted for Hillary.
The truth is, most American Jews don't care all that much about Israel.
They are liberal before anything else.
Which is why I'm praying that Ellison gets picked for the DNC. I want to see them defend that muzzie prick.
Posted by: rickb223
Oh, don't worry, they will.
Even after the Iran deal which basically gave Iran the nuclear tech to wipe out Israel, like 80% voted for Hillary.
The truth is, most American Jews don't care all that much about Israel.
They are liberal before anything else.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:17 PM (lO4Gp)
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Well that island almost tipped over and it would have it that congress critter hadn't pointed out the problem.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at December 02, 2016 02:17 PM (J70i0)
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14 I want to hear more about Megan Kelly's preternatuural ability to read my erection.
Posted by: garrett at December 02, 2016 02:05 PM (PeNEi)
Woah...wait...what????
Posted by: garrett at December 02, 2016 02:05 PM (PeNEi)
Woah...wait...what????
Posted by: tu3031 at December 02, 2016 02:17 PM (qJhUV)
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49
Obama: "Those jobs aren't coming back and there's no way for him to bring them back."
Dumbass wasn't just talking shit. He really didn't think anything could be done
Posted by: buzzion
Because he didn't know how. Never worked a day in his life.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (SgI6S)
That audio clip, along with the Trump announcement at Carrier need to be played over and over and over again every time one of our libtard acquaintances starts babbling. Trump has done more in the days post-election than TGF has done in 8 years to help save people's jobs.
Obama: "Those jobs aren't coming back and there's no way for him to bring them back."
Dumbass wasn't just talking shit. He really didn't think anything could be done
Posted by: buzzion
Because he didn't know how. Never worked a day in his life.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (SgI6S)
That audio clip, along with the Trump announcement at Carrier need to be played over and over and over again every time one of our libtard acquaintances starts babbling. Trump has done more in the days post-election than TGF has done in 8 years to help save people's jobs.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 02, 2016 02:17 PM (jxbfJ)
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#33
Being a businessman he knows in order to have his business be
successful, which in this case is now The United States of American,
he's going to have to be positive, lead by example, communicate well and
frequently with his "[EMPLOYERS]" (the People),
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There, fixed it for you
Being a businessman he knows in order to have his business be
successful, which in this case is now The United States of American,
he's going to have to be positive, lead by example, communicate well and
frequently with his "[EMPLOYERS]" (the People),
==========
There, fixed it for you
Posted by: mrp at December 02, 2016 02:17 PM (JBggj)
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Deep down, I think Trump is a pretty basic businessman tycoon type; he fights to win, he counts winning by dollars, but its being on top and winning that matters. He believes in America, he believes in the market, and he believes that this nation has been crippled by stupid economic policy for decades and has made that absolutely clear every time he's asked. That's the one consistent in his policy since the 80s: American businesses are being screwed by mega corps taking advantage of contacts with politicians to create favorable trade for overseas businesses.
Donald Trump is probably the best friend small businesses have, not because he cares about them, but because he hates what hurts them.
Donald Trump is probably the best friend small businesses have, not because he cares about them, but because he hates what hurts them.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 02:17 PM (39g3+)
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JPod's always been a bit of an ass but his commentary during the campaign has been a full-blown shit-flinging spaz-out.
What I find most depressing about the hollering NeverTurnipers is that they've demonstrated that they're unable to get outside their heads and re-evaluate the situation with a more dispassionate take.
They come off as emotionally driven and bitterly certain about everything. Which in part is why they were so utterly, disastrously wrong about Turnip's victory.
Nothing out of NRO or Commentary will ever have the benefit of the doubt in terms of soundness or reason. They've shown themselves to be as reptilian as the sweatiest of the fever swamps of the left.
What I find most depressing about the hollering NeverTurnipers is that they've demonstrated that they're unable to get outside their heads and re-evaluate the situation with a more dispassionate take.
They come off as emotionally driven and bitterly certain about everything. Which in part is why they were so utterly, disastrously wrong about Turnip's victory.
Nothing out of NRO or Commentary will ever have the benefit of the doubt in terms of soundness or reason. They've shown themselves to be as reptilian as the sweatiest of the fever swamps of the left.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 02, 2016 02:18 PM (1G5R8)
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I like that everything is getting turned on its head, with regard to conventional "wisdom." I'm glad for my kids that they are getting to see this. They're very interested.
And grazie, CBD.
And grazie, CBD.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:18 PM (Zokmo)
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The thing I like is that many on the left are coming to realize he is the guy who might actually DO some of the things that they claimed to believe, with feigned horror, that previous Rs would do(*) -- such as actually CUT budgets, not just reduce proposed increases; provide the private option in SS; strengthen the military and be prepared to use it; pull funding from politicized programs; act as though the United States is a sovereign nation, that sort of thing. So, yeah, imagining their point of view, he may well be the worst thing ever: An actual conservative.
*(Not internment camps and slavery and world war. That's THEIR turf).
*(Not internment camps and slavery and world war. That's THEIR turf).
Posted by: Slo-Pitch Whiffer at December 02, 2016 02:18 PM (zke7T)
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These fucking NY/DC clowns don't understand that Trump won because he isn't a politician and doesn't talk like one. People are so fucking sick and tired of the bullshit from this swamp. Get out of the way Johnny boy, the train is coming through.
Posted by: Timon at December 02, 2016 02:18 PM (27k1O)
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45 Earlier this week, the inventor of the Big Mac died, now ...
Chef Peng Chang-kuei, the founder of the famous Hunan-style restaurant chain Peng's Garden Hunan Restaurant and inventor of the world famous Chinese dish General Tso's Chicken, died on Nov. 30 at the age of 98 from Pneumonia.
Posted by: undocumented illegal chef at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (e8kgV)
Next, Mayor McCheese's lifeless body will found in the alley behind a Little Rock brothel.
Chef Peng Chang-kuei, the founder of the famous Hunan-style restaurant chain Peng's Garden Hunan Restaurant and inventor of the world famous Chinese dish General Tso's Chicken, died on Nov. 30 at the age of 98 from Pneumonia.
Posted by: undocumented illegal chef at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (e8kgV)
Next, Mayor McCheese's lifeless body will found in the alley behind a Little Rock brothel.
Posted by: josephistan at December 02, 2016 02:18 PM (7HtZB)
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The only way the "elites" may wake up is if they get up close and personal with all of the crap they support and want shoved down our throats
Posted by: TheQuietMan
Like slum lords who are ordered by a Judge to go live in their rodent infested buildings until they are brought up to code. I like it!
Posted by: TheQuietMan
Like slum lords who are ordered by a Judge to go live in their rodent infested buildings until they are brought up to code. I like it!
Posted by: Cheri at December 02, 2016 02:18 PM (oiNtH)
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The truth is, most American Jews don't care all that much about Israel.
They are liberal before anything else.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:17 PM (lO4Gp)
And this baffles me to no end. With the liberals embracing muslims, the Palestinians, et al --> all who are hell bent on the destruction of Israels and Jews everywhere.
The truth is, most American Jews don't care all that much about Israel.
They are liberal before anything else.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:17 PM (lO4Gp)
And this baffles me to no end. With the liberals embracing muslims, the Palestinians, et al --> all who are hell bent on the destruction of Israels and Jews everywhere.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 02, 2016 02:18 PM (jxbfJ)
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Trumps best attribute is that he is no politician. AND...
Hillary Clinton will never be the president of the United States.
Hillary Clinton will never be the president of the United States.
Posted by: USNtakim at December 02, 2016 02:18 PM (hMqvx)
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"we're missing one profound thing about Trump"
this "we" that he is talking about is basically, him and his friends. Like 6 people. Tops.
Pretty much everyone else knows the guy isn't a politician.
#outoftouchwithreality
this "we" that he is talking about is basically, him and his friends. Like 6 people. Tops.
Pretty much everyone else knows the guy isn't a politician.
#outoftouchwithreality
Posted by: simplemind at December 02, 2016 02:19 PM (xVRrG)
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My mother's parents -- both east/central European Jews (Ukraine/Poland depending on when, and Hungary) -- came here in the 1920's when NOBODY got welfare, assistance, handouts, free lunches, or anything like that. In fact, my grandfather had to change his name from Nathan (to Norman) because it was too Jewish. They immediately stopped speaking their European languages (other than Yiddish at home), learned English fluently and without accent, met in Chicago, got married, had 2 kids and thence 5 grandkids, Poppa eventually bought a grocery store in Bellflower, CA (east LA), and when they died in the mid-90's, the gov't took a huge chunk of the small fortune they'd managed to amass (about $3mil). Oh, and in his 30's, my grandfather tried to enlist in the U.S. Army to fight Hitler.
Today's immigration situation: mine the border and machine gun the ones who survive. F'em all.
Today's immigration situation: mine the border and machine gun the ones who survive. F'em all.
Posted by: SFGoth at December 02, 2016 02:19 PM (dZ756)
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oh, say it again.....
Hillary Clinton will never be President of the United States.
It's like Christmas every day!
Hillary Clinton will never be President of the United States.
It's like Christmas every day!
Posted by: Huma Loves Hillary at December 02, 2016 02:20 PM (3aBcq)
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The truth is, most American Jews don't care all that much about Israel.
They are liberal before anything else.
Muzzies in NYC don't care if Schumer doesn't care about Israel. Only how high he can do a dead cat bounce.
They are liberal before anything else.
Muzzies in NYC don't care if Schumer doesn't care about Israel. Only how high he can do a dead cat bounce.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:20 PM (SgI6S)
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"But what if there's no strategy? What if there's no organizing principle? What if Trump has no plan?"
But there is a plan: Make America Great Again
On a Macro level, it means a 180 from the Progressive Dems and a 120 from the GOPe.
As to tactics, do you doubt that Trump has already war-gamed the Mattis waiver with Bannon and others. It's not unlike war-gaming how to get a real estate proect done in places like NYC.
One of the reasons why Trump won the R nomination was that he wasn't a career politician afraid to go down in flames and hence took risky positions early. Most of the other candidates worried about their long-term political careers and/or had consultants who didn't want their gravy train end early.
Trump also isn't overly worried about being a one-termer.
But there is a plan: Make America Great Again
On a Macro level, it means a 180 from the Progressive Dems and a 120 from the GOPe.
As to tactics, do you doubt that Trump has already war-gamed the Mattis waiver with Bannon and others. It's not unlike war-gaming how to get a real estate proect done in places like NYC.
One of the reasons why Trump won the R nomination was that he wasn't a career politician afraid to go down in flames and hence took risky positions early. Most of the other candidates worried about their long-term political careers and/or had consultants who didn't want their gravy train end early.
Trump also isn't overly worried about being a one-termer.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 02:20 PM (SIY7D)
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he doesn't act like a politician, and we're all desperately trying to
fit him into our understanding of what he's supposed to be.
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I don't feel desperate, do you? I don't find a need to fit him into what I think he should be, do you?
I hired him to do a job. Last night he said his number one job was to keep the citizens of this country safe. He has economic goals, he has national security goals, all kinds of goals. He seems capable of doing them, or hiring someone who can. I don't feel desperate.
Then again, I'm not in the media, scrambling to make myself relevant.
fit him into our understanding of what he's supposed to be.
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I don't feel desperate, do you? I don't find a need to fit him into what I think he should be, do you?
I hired him to do a job. Last night he said his number one job was to keep the citizens of this country safe. He has economic goals, he has national security goals, all kinds of goals. He seems capable of doing them, or hiring someone who can. I don't feel desperate.
Then again, I'm not in the media, scrambling to make myself relevant.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 02:20 PM (dFi94)
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People joke about Trump 2020, but I hope he only plans on 1 term so that he packs in as much change as he can make with no worries about getting re-elected. Given his age, he needs to do this stuff now.
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I've said the very same thing to my kids - don't be surprised if Trump doesn't run for reelection.
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I've said the very same thing to my kids - don't be surprised if Trump doesn't run for reelection.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:21 PM (Zokmo)
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And grazie, CBD.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:18 PM (Zokmo)
Prego!
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Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:18 PM (Zokmo)
Prego!
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Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:21 PM (42Mgr)
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He didn't care because it was Indiana. A bunch of red state hicks.
Had say a company decided to outsource in Illinois , he would have been on the phone threatening the CEO.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (lO4Gp)
Nah it wasn't just because of it being Indiana. Yeah he didn't care, and thinks it wonderful for companies to go to other countries. But I also think he really truly thought nothing could be done. Even he wanted to keep the jobs here, he'd have no idea what could be done.
He didn't care because it was Indiana. A bunch of red state hicks.
Had say a company decided to outsource in Illinois , he would have been on the phone threatening the CEO.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (lO4Gp)
Nah it wasn't just because of it being Indiana. Yeah he didn't care, and thinks it wonderful for companies to go to other countries. But I also think he really truly thought nothing could be done. Even he wanted to keep the jobs here, he'd have no idea what could be done.
Posted by: buzzion at December 02, 2016 02:21 PM (bMG0w)
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Hillary Clinton will never be the president of the United States.
Posted by: USNtakim at December 02, 2016 02:18 PM (hMqvx)
Thank you. That never gets old.
Hillary Clinton will never be the president of the United States.
Posted by: USNtakim at December 02, 2016 02:18 PM (hMqvx)
Thank you. That never gets old.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 02, 2016 02:21 PM (jxbfJ)
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Is that Canadian Oil Peon around?
Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 02, 2016 02:21 PM (I7I0v)
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I don't care about strategy. Anyone in business knows you can have a plan or a strategy but the actual real world knocks all that to shit every time.
It's how you react to the real world, to what is happening right now that leads to success. It's tackling the shit that gets in your way and moving on.
It's how you react to the real world, to what is happening right now that leads to success. It's tackling the shit that gets in your way and moving on.
Posted by: Huma Loves Hillary at December 02, 2016 02:22 PM (3aBcq)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:22 PM (SgI6S)
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don't be surprised if Trump doesn't run for reelection.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:21 PM (Zokmo)
I am cautiously optimistic about a Pence presidency. He has impressed me.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:21 PM (Zokmo)
I am cautiously optimistic about a Pence presidency. He has impressed me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:22 PM (42Mgr)
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I'd love for a good explanation of why Jewish "conservatives" seemed to be so virulently anti-trump and pro-Hillary. It has to be more than immigration.
Dennis Praeger was about he only Jewish conservative willing to back him.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:11 PM (lO4Gp)
I think it is because most Jewish conservatives may be conservative on defense and spending issues but are socially liberal. Even though Trump isn't a socon, he sided with those socon hillbillies.
Chasing Jewish votes is about as worthless as chasing most ethnic group votes. About 74% of Jewish votes went for Hillary. This is after 8 years of Obama and her wanting to continue his policies.
Dennis Praeger was about he only Jewish conservative willing to back him.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:11 PM (lO4Gp)
I think it is because most Jewish conservatives may be conservative on defense and spending issues but are socially liberal. Even though Trump isn't a socon, he sided with those socon hillbillies.
Chasing Jewish votes is about as worthless as chasing most ethnic group votes. About 74% of Jewish votes went for Hillary. This is after 8 years of Obama and her wanting to continue his policies.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at December 02, 2016 02:22 PM (J70i0)
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The media defines intelligence as agreeing with them. Politicians who hold their left wing world view, are, by definition intelligent. (According to the media.)
Frankly I don't intelligence can be directly directed to a set of beliefs. Believing in global warming doesn't say anything about intelligence it simply means one has absorbed what the media wanted him to absorb.
Frankly I don't intelligence can be directly directed to a set of beliefs. Believing in global warming doesn't say anything about intelligence it simply means one has absorbed what the media wanted him to absorb.
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 02, 2016 02:22 PM (hJrjt)
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I hope Trump cancels the correspondent's dinner.
Posted by: ryukyu at December 02, 2016 02:12 PM (rz1W/)
Even better if he came out with a statement that read "You losers can have your nerd prom but the taxpayers are paying for it and I'm not coming. I'll be busy fixing Obama's fuckups. Have fun you lying bastards"
Posted by: ryukyu at December 02, 2016 02:12 PM (rz1W/)
Even better if he came out with a statement that read "You losers can have your nerd prom but the taxpayers are paying for it and I'm not coming. I'll be busy fixing Obama's fuckups. Have fun you lying bastards"
Posted by: Timon at December 02, 2016 02:22 PM (27k1O)
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Ironically, Dylan's lyrics have become meaningful:
"Come Senators and Congressman please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall.."
Trump should start using that.
"Come Senators and Congressman please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall.."
Trump should start using that.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 02, 2016 02:22 PM (ZO497)
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Could someone please tell me why changing one's mind in the middle of a campaign (i.e. breaking a campaign promise) is supposed to be an attractive quality in a politician, conventional or otherwise? I've been wondering for months, now.
I guess I'm just too elitist to understand it.
I guess I'm just too elitist to understand it.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at December 02, 2016 02:22 PM (egK2C)
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But politicians are smart. Just ask them...they are more than happy to tell you so, with details.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at December 02, 2016 02:22 PM (vg8iE)
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A businessman has to face the situation as it is and plan accordingly. He has to change that plan if it doesn't bring results. Isn't this the sort of nimble thinking we want?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 02, 2016 02:23 PM (EnKk6)
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Donald Trump is probably the best friend small businesses have, not because he cares about them, but because he hates what hurts them.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 02:17 PM (39g3+)
That's good enough; some hedge fund getting another penny of dividend only because it forced the movement of manufacturing overseas is not my idea of a good deal for the US as a whole.
The country does not begin and end on Wall Street.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 02:17 PM (39g3+)
That's good enough; some hedge fund getting another penny of dividend only because it forced the movement of manufacturing overseas is not my idea of a good deal for the US as a whole.
The country does not begin and end on Wall Street.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 02:23 PM (hLRSq)
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Trump also isn't overly worried about being a one-termer.
Posted by: Ignoramus
My hope is that he governs with the idea he's only there for one term.
Frankly, I'd rather actually get some "unpopular" things done and go down in flames than a President worried about approval ratings and the media and just spout off a bunch of platitudes.
What exactly did we get with 8 years of Dubya and a Republican Congress?
Posted by: Ignoramus
My hope is that he governs with the idea he's only there for one term.
Frankly, I'd rather actually get some "unpopular" things done and go down in flames than a President worried about approval ratings and the media and just spout off a bunch of platitudes.
What exactly did we get with 8 years of Dubya and a Republican Congress?
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:23 PM (lO4Gp)
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Obama wants jobs to leave the US.
Posted by: davidt at December 02, 2016 02:23 PM (XoldI)
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But what if there's no strategy? What if there's no organizing principle? What if Trump has no plan?
We'll see, won't we? This is the problem with pundits, social media, and the 24 hour news cycle. Everyone is supposed to have an opinion on everything all the time and share it all day long. What's your hot take? What's the analysis? What did this guy do today? What's today's outrage????!?!?!?1/!
I keep telling people this over and over: wait and see. The guy isn't even in office yet. He was elected less than a month ago. We don't know what Donald Trump will do. As it stands right now, I'm encouraged with his cabinet picks, and it looks like Trump is delegating to people he trusts and believes know what they are doing. If it turns out they fail or don't get done what he wants, out the door they'll go.
But we'll see. Until then its just flapping your gums.
We'll see, won't we? This is the problem with pundits, social media, and the 24 hour news cycle. Everyone is supposed to have an opinion on everything all the time and share it all day long. What's your hot take? What's the analysis? What did this guy do today? What's today's outrage????!?!?!?1/!
I keep telling people this over and over: wait and see. The guy isn't even in office yet. He was elected less than a month ago. We don't know what Donald Trump will do. As it stands right now, I'm encouraged with his cabinet picks, and it looks like Trump is delegating to people he trusts and believes know what they are doing. If it turns out they fail or don't get done what he wants, out the door they'll go.
But we'll see. Until then its just flapping your gums.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 02:23 PM (39g3+)
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Pundits have become as hard to get rid of as government workers. It doesn't matter how wrong they were/are, it seems their jobs are always secure.
Posted by: AdorableDeplorableChristi at December 02, 2016 02:23 PM (0WFtY)
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Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:21 PM (42Mgr)
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Oh, have we made a fan out of you?! That's wonderful!
I'll start a GoFundMe to buy you a couple of new shift keys for your keyboard. You seem to have worn them out.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:21 PM (42Mgr)
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Oh, have we made a fan out of you?! That's wonderful!
I'll start a GoFundMe to buy you a couple of new shift keys for your keyboard. You seem to have worn them out.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:23 PM (Zokmo)
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The Left made all the rules of Calvinball over the course of half a century, and made it absolutely unwinnable for any opponent.
Then Trump came along and said "I'm not playing Calvinball."
Except not only is he playing, he is wayyyyyyy better at it. It will only end in tears for them.
Then Trump came along and said "I'm not playing Calvinball."
Except not only is he playing, he is wayyyyyyy better at it. It will only end in tears for them.
Posted by: Mega at December 02, 2016 02:24 PM (ekxYo)
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We aRe nOT SmaRt. oUr govERnmeNT is bRoken. wE neEd yoU to fix iT So it can Go.
Posted by: Evil Space Retards from Star Trek at December 02, 2016 02:24 PM (eXSOZ)
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It's the DC insiders on both side that have been lecturing those of us frustrated w/the GOPe that we just don;t understand how DC works. It's complicated, you see, and only people like the NRO/WashPost/Politico/The Hill set can detect how much is going on below the surface blah blah blah.
Trump came along and called BS on all of this - how DC operates, how the rest of the DC-set enables and protects it - all of it. Podhoretz and others now claiming "we" didn't comprehend that Trump is not a politician is hilarious.
This is why we voted for Trump, you idiots!!
Trump came along and called BS on all of this - how DC operates, how the rest of the DC-set enables and protects it - all of it. Podhoretz and others now claiming "we" didn't comprehend that Trump is not a politician is hilarious.
This is why we voted for Trump, you idiots!!
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 02:24 PM (NOIQH)
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That audio clip, along with the Trump announcement at Carrier need to be played over and over and over again every time one of our libtard acquaintances starts babbling. Trump has done more in the days post-election than TGF has done in 8 years to help save people's jobs.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 02, 2016 02:17 PM (jxbfJ)
From Obama's standpoint, he couldn't do anything. He's a one worlder. Companies and people are going to move all over the place in a glorious blending. Trump, with his tariff and borders talk, actually had the philosophy that could make Carrier reconsider.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 02, 2016 02:17 PM (jxbfJ)
From Obama's standpoint, he couldn't do anything. He's a one worlder. Companies and people are going to move all over the place in a glorious blending. Trump, with his tariff and borders talk, actually had the philosophy that could make Carrier reconsider.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at December 02, 2016 02:25 PM (J70i0)
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Hate to go O/T so early, but I'll just leave this nugget of cra-cra right here.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/07/this-university-of-oregon-study-on-femin
http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/07/this-university-of-oregon-study-on-femin
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 02, 2016 02:25 PM (kDUMP)
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My company is ecstatic that we have someone with business knowledge in the WH.
It's been a tough year, we are hoping that all businesses get excited, start spending capital and get busy Making America Great Again!
But, I can't say that out loud cuz I live in Portland and I shall be tarred and feathered on the alter of liberalism.
It's been a tough year, we are hoping that all businesses get excited, start spending capital and get busy Making America Great Again!
But, I can't say that out loud cuz I live in Portland and I shall be tarred and feathered on the alter of liberalism.
Posted by: Only GOP girl in PDX at December 02, 2016 02:25 PM (3aBcq)
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I am cautiously optimistic about a Pence presidency. He has impressed me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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The guy is always on message, always calm, always well-reasoned. I too am beginning to like him a lot. He has an air of competence and maturity about him that is lacking in ALL of the Dems.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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The guy is always on message, always calm, always well-reasoned. I too am beginning to like him a lot. He has an air of competence and maturity about him that is lacking in ALL of the Dems.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 02, 2016 02:25 PM (ZO497)
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I'll start a GoFundMe to buy you a couple of new shift keys for your keyboard.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:23 PM (Zokmo)
Or maybe a new glove for Bill Buckner....
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:23 PM (Zokmo)
Or maybe a new glove for Bill Buckner....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:25 PM (42Mgr)
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Little known fact: John Podhoretz was the man the Who had in mind when we wrote "Pinball Wizard".
"He's got crazy little fingers, never missed a call. The deaf, dumb, blind kid sure plays a mean pundit!"
"He's got crazy little fingers, never missed a call. The deaf, dumb, blind kid sure plays a mean pundit!"
Posted by: Roger Daltry at December 02, 2016 02:25 PM (sCBEO)
Posted by: D4 at December 02, 2016 02:26 PM (CFAp3)
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From the previous thread....
533 97 Where do they insert the cobs?
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In the cornholes, obviously.
Posted by: ajmojo at December 02, 2016 12:18 PM (1H9ox)
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I love that game.
But, whoever named it should be shot.
I take it you wouldn't shop here: http://tinyurl.com/juopssd
533 97 Where do they insert the cobs?
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In the cornholes, obviously.
Posted by: ajmojo at December 02, 2016 12:18 PM (1H9ox)
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I love that game.
But, whoever named it should be shot.
I take it you wouldn't shop here: http://tinyurl.com/juopssd
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at December 02, 2016 02:26 PM (di1hb)
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But politicians are smart. Just ask them...they are more than happy to tell you so, with details.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at December 02, 2016 02:22 PM (vg8iE)
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One of the (many) things I loved about Ronald Reagan was how he always talked about going to Eureka College.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at December 02, 2016 02:22 PM (vg8iE)
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One of the (many) things I loved about Ronald Reagan was how he always talked about going to Eureka College.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:26 PM (Zokmo)
Posted by: Fritz at December 02, 2016 02:27 PM (2Mnv1)
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RedMindBlueState
Only in Eugene....filled with hippies and lawyers, neither of which smell good.
Only in Eugene....filled with hippies and lawyers, neither of which smell good.
Posted by: Only GOP girl in PDX at December 02, 2016 02:27 PM (3aBcq)
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Even better if he came out with a statement that read "You losers can have your nerd prom but the taxpayers are paying for it and I'm not coming. I'll be busy fixing Obama's fuckups. Have fun you lying bastards"
Posted by: Timon at December 02, 2016 02:22 PM (27k1O)
I'm sure you mean the taxpayers "aren't" paying for it. That's fine with me. Let the networks pay for it.
Posted by: Timon at December 02, 2016 02:22 PM (27k1O)
I'm sure you mean the taxpayers "aren't" paying for it. That's fine with me. Let the networks pay for it.
Posted by: ryukyu at December 02, 2016 02:27 PM (rz1W/)
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To suggest that Trump is "doing improv" shows that you're just as smug, arrogant, and clueless as Podhoretz.
Trump has been perfectly clear and consistent with his core message since even YEARS before he even ran, but since it lies outside the "bubble" you people live in, it goes in one ear and out the other. You don't see it when it's right in front of you, and so you make up BS about how there IS NO message. That he's a "clown", a "carnival barker", or "an improv act".
It's really been something to see.
Trump has been perfectly clear and consistent with his core message since even YEARS before he even ran, but since it lies outside the "bubble" you people live in, it goes in one ear and out the other. You don't see it when it's right in front of you, and so you make up BS about how there IS NO message. That he's a "clown", a "carnival barker", or "an improv act".
It's really been something to see.
Posted by: Optimizer at December 02, 2016 02:27 PM (EnK/R)
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you referenced Judaism in a non-approved fashion so you must be an anti-semite
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at December 02, 2016 02:27 PM (Uy8SG)
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But, I can't say that out loud cuz I live in Portland and I shall be tarred and feathered on the alter of liberalism.
Posted by: Only GOP girl in PDX at December 02, 2016 02:25 PM (3aBcq)
One of my nephews just moved there. I'm not 100% sure of his politics, but I know that he is disgusted with his college's recent behavior with respect to SJWs...
Posted by: Only GOP girl in PDX at December 02, 2016 02:25 PM (3aBcq)
One of my nephews just moved there. I'm not 100% sure of his politics, but I know that he is disgusted with his college's recent behavior with respect to SJWs...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:27 PM (42Mgr)
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 02:28 PM (hLRSq)
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Only in Eugene....filled with hippies and lawyers, neither of which smell good.
Posted by: Only GOP girl in PDX at December 02, 2016 02:27 PM
We can only hope this stays contained.
Posted by: Only GOP girl in PDX at December 02, 2016 02:27 PM
We can only hope this stays contained.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 02, 2016 02:28 PM (kDUMP)
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Pundits have become as hard to get rid of as government workers. It doesn't matter how wrong they were/are, it seems their jobs are always secure.
Posted by: AdorableDeplorableChristi
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Until the MSM's pocketbooks go into the red (ink, that is, not philosophy) that will continue.
Posted by: AdorableDeplorableChristi
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Until the MSM's pocketbooks go into the red (ink, that is, not philosophy) that will continue.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 02, 2016 02:28 PM (ZO497)
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Another formulation of that article is "Don't take Trump literally, but take him seriously." Another thing that Podohertz and everyone like him misses is that, yes, DJT hasn't been in politics or even given much thought to politics in his life, except for the past 18 months and probably more accurately for only the past 4-5 once he hired Bannon and Conway to arrange things. What they miss though is now that he has been forced to take positions he has a very conservative philosophy. Tax cuts, immigration reform, pro-life justices, climate warming as a hoax, school choice etc.
What policy issues has he a taken a position on that a conservative would object to? He's probably well to the right of Reagan on most issues at this point.
What policy issues has he a taken a position on that a conservative would object to? He's probably well to the right of Reagan on most issues at this point.
Posted by: scofflaw_x at December 02, 2016 02:29 PM (y9ZJX)
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I have been watching Podhoretz flail for 18 months, and it has been glorious, he's eaten some crow and been fairly good humored about it, but boy what would I have given to watch him on that NRO cruise.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at December 02, 2016 02:29 PM (Uy8SG)
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Didn't Romney have a 37-point something plan to rescue the economy? How's that ass taste?
Posted by: Fritz at December 02, 2016 02:29 PM (2Mnv1)
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What, no Prince spaghetti?
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious
Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 02:28 PM
Does this look like Wednesday to you?
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious
Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 02:28 PM
Does this look like Wednesday to you?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 02, 2016 02:29 PM (kDUMP)
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Could someone please tell me why changing one's mind in the middle of a campaign (i.e. breaking a campaign promise) is supposed to be an attractive quality in a politician, conventional or otherwise? I've been wondering for months, now.
I guess I'm just too elitist to understand it.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at December 02, 2016 02:22 PM (egK2C)
Would you like to elaborate on your concerns?
I guess I'm just too elitist to understand it.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at December 02, 2016 02:22 PM (egK2C)
Would you like to elaborate on your concerns?
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at December 02, 2016 02:29 PM (J70i0)
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Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:27 PM (42Mgr)
Portland = Where hipsters go to retire!
Seriously, people need to quit moving here! Hope your nephew can find housing for less than $800 for a room & a head.
Portland = Where hipsters go to retire!
Seriously, people need to quit moving here! Hope your nephew can find housing for less than $800 for a room & a head.
Posted by: Only GOP girl in PDX at December 02, 2016 02:29 PM (3aBcq)
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Eureka College.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:26 PM (Zokmo)
How can you tell if you are speaking with a Harvard graduate?
You don't have to...he'll tell you in the first five minutes of the conversation.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:26 PM (Zokmo)
How can you tell if you are speaking with a Harvard graduate?
You don't have to...he'll tell you in the first five minutes of the conversation.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:29 PM (42Mgr)
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>>Hmm. The Food and Nutrition Service says that the number one item purchased with food stamps is soft drinks, $357 million purchased in 2011.
There's a reason for this. Soft drinks are widely used not only to drink, but as ersatz currency, and repurchased for something like thirty cents on the dollar. More so than any other food stamp item. Particularly prolific in collapsed white trash towns, or as KW thinks of them TARGETZ FUR KLEANZINK
There's a reason for this. Soft drinks are widely used not only to drink, but as ersatz currency, and repurchased for something like thirty cents on the dollar. More so than any other food stamp item. Particularly prolific in collapsed white trash towns, or as KW thinks of them TARGETZ FUR KLEANZINK
Posted by: Sporkatus at December 02, 2016 02:30 PM (eXSOZ)
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There was a youtube by a longhaired crunchy type who was Trump voter that was good (but long) and I lost the link.
Anyway one of his points was that he thinks Trump is a competitive winner who wants the Triple Crown of Alpha Maleness.
Wealth, Fame, Power.
Trump was already incredibly wealthy as a real estate mogul. He decides to become famous and everyone watches Celebrity Apprentice and he does become a household name.
What's left? King of the World aka POTUS. He takes it too.
And he says Trump's ego is such that he won't just settle for being POTUS - like with everything else, he is going to try to be the most popular, most successful POTUS ever.
I think there's truth to that.
Anyway one of his points was that he thinks Trump is a competitive winner who wants the Triple Crown of Alpha Maleness.
Wealth, Fame, Power.
Trump was already incredibly wealthy as a real estate mogul. He decides to become famous and everyone watches Celebrity Apprentice and he does become a household name.
What's left? King of the World aka POTUS. He takes it too.
And he says Trump's ego is such that he won't just settle for being POTUS - like with everything else, he is going to try to be the most popular, most successful POTUS ever.
I think there's truth to that.
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 02:30 PM (Om16U)
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He has an air of competence and maturity about him that is lacking in ALL of the Dems.
You just described my puppy.
You just described my puppy.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:30 PM (SgI6S)
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What exactly did we get with 8 years of Dubya and a Republican Congress?
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:23 PM (lO4Gp)
Obama and a Democrat Congress?
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:23 PM (lO4Gp)
Obama and a Democrat Congress?
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 02:30 PM (tewYv)
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Hope your nephew can find housing for less than $800 for a room & a head.
Posted by: Only GOP girl in PDX at December 02, 2016 02:29 PM (3aBcq)
He's paying $900 for a small studio. But he loves to cook and it has a full kitchen....
Posted by: Only GOP girl in PDX at December 02, 2016 02:29 PM (3aBcq)
He's paying $900 for a small studio. But he loves to cook and it has a full kitchen....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:30 PM (42Mgr)
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Had say a company decided to outsource in Illinois , he would have been on the phone threatening the CEO.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (lO4Gp)
Make that chicago instead of Illinois. Once you get out of there, we are mostly Red State Hicks also.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (lO4Gp)
Make that chicago instead of Illinois. Once you get out of there, we are mostly Red State Hicks also.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois at December 02, 2016 02:30 PM (d76uN)
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Didn't Romney have a 37-point something plan to rescue the economy?
Posted by: Fritz at December 02, 2016 02:29 PM (2Mnv1)
It was 57 points. Only a podunk state school grad would have a 37 point plan.
Posted by: Fritz at December 02, 2016 02:29 PM (2Mnv1)
It was 57 points. Only a podunk state school grad would have a 37 point plan.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at December 02, 2016 02:31 PM (J70i0)
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And he says Trump's ego is such that he won't just settle for being POTUS - like with everything else, he is going to try to be the most popular, most successful POTUS ever.
Piers Morgan, who knows Trump well, said essentially the same.
Piers Morgan, who knows Trump well, said essentially the same.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at December 02, 2016 02:31 PM (ul9CR)
138
Who knows anything about sump pumps?
And/or why they die an early death?
And/or why they die an early death?
Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 02, 2016 02:31 PM (I7I0v)
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Who knows anything about sump pumps?
And/or why they die an early death?
Posted by: Chi
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Does the motor run? Or is not pumping?
And/or why they die an early death?
Posted by: Chi
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Does the motor run? Or is not pumping?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 02, 2016 02:32 PM (ZO497)
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Chef Peng Chang-kuei, the founder of the famous Hunan-style restaurant chain Peng's Garden Hunan Restaurant and inventor of the world famous Chinese dish General Tso's Chicken, died on Nov. 30 at the age of 98 from Pneumonia.
Posted by: undocumented illegal chef at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (e8kgV)
We're past 100, so OT is OK, right?
Everybody who has Netflix should go watch The Search for General Tso. Excellent documentary about Chinese immigration and restaurants, framed as a story about who General Tso was and why the hell a chicken dish named after him suddenly appeared everywhere in the US at the same time.
/OT off
Posted by: undocumented illegal chef at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (e8kgV)
We're past 100, so OT is OK, right?
Everybody who has Netflix should go watch The Search for General Tso. Excellent documentary about Chinese immigration and restaurants, framed as a story about who General Tso was and why the hell a chicken dish named after him suddenly appeared everywhere in the US at the same time.
/OT off
Posted by: hogmartin at December 02, 2016 02:32 PM (8nWyX)
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@ryukyu
I've been saying that same line over and over again.
Please, Trump, cancel that awful correspondent's dinner. I think it is a horrible tradition wholly designed for the elite set to congratulate themselves.
I've been saying that same line over and over again.
Please, Trump, cancel that awful correspondent's dinner. I think it is a horrible tradition wholly designed for the elite set to congratulate themselves.
Posted by: squeakywheel at December 02, 2016 02:32 PM (5dMqv)
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My own theory is that God is hearing our prayers and is, whether Trump realizes it or not, guiding Trump.
Unlikely vessel but there you go.
Unlikely vessel but there you go.
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 02:32 PM (Om16U)
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Tired of all these flannel shirt wearing, bearded, educated idiots who can't even fix a leaky faucet.
It's Alpha Male time again! Trump = ultimate Alpha!
Poor little feminazi's can't stand to watch it, the rest of us get kinda hot thinking about him.
It's Alpha Male time again! Trump = ultimate Alpha!
Poor little feminazi's can't stand to watch it, the rest of us get kinda hot thinking about him.
Posted by: Only GOP girl in PDX at December 02, 2016 02:32 PM (3aBcq)
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120
Prego!
boston red sox
*****
What, no Prince spaghetti?
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious
Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 02:28 PM (hLRSq)
You saw Prego and thought spaghetti. My first instinct was to shout "It's not mine!!!!"
Prego!
boston red sox
*****
What, no Prince spaghetti?
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious
Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 02:28 PM (hLRSq)
You saw Prego and thought spaghetti. My first instinct was to shout "It's not mine!!!!"
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 02, 2016 02:32 PM (jxbfJ)
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You don't have to...he'll tell you in the first five minutes of the conversation.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:29 PM (42Mgr)
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Along with,
You can always tell a Harvard man, you just can't tell him much.
You don't have to...he'll tell you in the first five minutes of the conversation.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:29 PM (42Mgr)
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Along with,
You can always tell a Harvard man, you just can't tell him much.
Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 02, 2016 02:33 PM (hk1x8)
146
Who knows anything about sump pumps?
And/or why they die an early death?
Because it's always submerged?
And/or why they die an early death?
Because it's always submerged?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:33 PM (SgI6S)
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>>What policy issues has he a taken a position on that a conservative
would object to? He's probably well to the right of Reagan on most
issues at this point.
He is liberal on social issues, such as SSM and transgender bathrooms.
HOWEVER --- these are not important issues to him. He does not see promoting those things as important features of his presidency, critical to be implemented via federal policies. And this is why a lot of people are OK with his views.
would object to? He's probably well to the right of Reagan on most
issues at this point.
He is liberal on social issues, such as SSM and transgender bathrooms.
HOWEVER --- these are not important issues to him. He does not see promoting those things as important features of his presidency, critical to be implemented via federal policies. And this is why a lot of people are OK with his views.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 02:33 PM (NOIQH)
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Could someone please tell me why changing one's mind in the middle of a campaign (i.e. breaking a campaign promise) is supposed to be an attractive quality in a politician, conventional or otherwise? I've been wondering for months, now.
I guess I'm just too elitist to understand it.
Posted by: lowtech redneck
Your totally right. Trump should hand the presidency over to Hillary and go home. And then we should commit suicide.
Here's a razor. After you.
I guess I'm just too elitist to understand it.
Posted by: lowtech redneck
Your totally right. Trump should hand the presidency over to Hillary and go home. And then we should commit suicide.
Here's a razor. After you.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 02, 2016 02:33 PM (1G5R8)
Posted by: Tim in Illinois at December 02, 2016 02:33 PM (d76uN)
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Even he wanted to keep the jobs here, he'd have no idea what could be done.
Posted by: buzzion at December 02, 2016 02:21 PM (bMG0w)
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As a person with less actual work experience than a 1st-year McDonald's cashier, it is no wonder the whole thing is incomprehensible to him.
I really still can't believe he got elected president. This fucking guy.
Posted by: buzzion at December 02, 2016 02:21 PM (bMG0w)
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As a person with less actual work experience than a 1st-year McDonald's cashier, it is no wonder the whole thing is incomprehensible to him.
I really still can't believe he got elected president. This fucking guy.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 02:34 PM (xeeHA)
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don't be surprised if Trump doesn't run for reelection.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:21 PM (Zokmo)
I am cautiously optimistic about a Pence presidency. He has impressed me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:22 PM (42Mgr)
I'd love Trump to tear through the morass of shit in DC like a hurricane, unfuck the country and in mid 2019 say "We fixed the colossal fuckup in DC and it is in good hands with Mike. I'm not running for re-election, I'm going to finish my work here and I endorse VP Pence as the next president."
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:21 PM (Zokmo)
I am cautiously optimistic about a Pence presidency. He has impressed me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:22 PM (42Mgr)
I'd love Trump to tear through the morass of shit in DC like a hurricane, unfuck the country and in mid 2019 say "We fixed the colossal fuckup in DC and it is in good hands with Mike. I'm not running for re-election, I'm going to finish my work here and I endorse VP Pence as the next president."
Posted by: Timon at December 02, 2016 02:34 PM (27k1O)
Posted by: Eleanor Norton Holmes at December 02, 2016 02:34 PM (FqgrG)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 02, 2016 02:34 PM (4ErVI)
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@99 ...
I keep telling people this over and over: wait and see. The guy isn't even in office yet. He was elected less than a month ago. We don't know what Donald Trump will do. As it stands right now, I'm encouraged with his cabinet picks, and it looks like Trump is delegating to people he trusts and believes know what they are doing. If it turns out they fail or don't get done what he wants, out the door they'll go.
But we'll see. Until then its just flapping your gums.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 02:23 PM (39g3+)
Wow. I expected better in here.
It's that same canard: "We JUST DON'T KNOW what he'll DO!!" Even after he gave a number of speeches telling exactly what he will do, and continues to appoint serious people (instead of political hacks) who are VERY MUCH capable of doing exactly what he said he wants to do.
He has even gone so far as to look into enlisting ROMNEY, apparently because he feels he needs somebody who has experience with both international affairs and business to be on the front lines of re-negotiating trade deals.
I keep telling people this over and over: wait and see. The guy isn't even in office yet. He was elected less than a month ago. We don't know what Donald Trump will do. As it stands right now, I'm encouraged with his cabinet picks, and it looks like Trump is delegating to people he trusts and believes know what they are doing. If it turns out they fail or don't get done what he wants, out the door they'll go.
But we'll see. Until then its just flapping your gums.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 02:23 PM (39g3+)
Wow. I expected better in here.
It's that same canard: "We JUST DON'T KNOW what he'll DO!!" Even after he gave a number of speeches telling exactly what he will do, and continues to appoint serious people (instead of political hacks) who are VERY MUCH capable of doing exactly what he said he wants to do.
He has even gone so far as to look into enlisting ROMNEY, apparently because he feels he needs somebody who has experience with both international affairs and business to be on the front lines of re-negotiating trade deals.
Posted by: Optimizer at December 02, 2016 02:34 PM (EnK/R)
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There's no better showing of what MSM is about than the White House Correspondents Dinner and how it changed from the Bush years into the Obama years. The Borg at work, baby!
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 02:34 PM (SIY7D)
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Who knows anything about sump pumps?
And/or why they die an early death?
Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 02, 2016 02:31 PM (I7I0v)
I have had two die when they were most needed.
Buy the best one you can find. My newest one is a Liberty, and it seems much better built than the previous two.
And/or why they die an early death?
Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 02, 2016 02:31 PM (I7I0v)
I have had two die when they were most needed.
Buy the best one you can find. My newest one is a Liberty, and it seems much better built than the previous two.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:34 PM (42Mgr)
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Vote "Mad Dog 2020"
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:17 PM (SgI6S)
Oh, I am so stealing that and making a bumpersticker out of it.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:17 PM (SgI6S)
Oh, I am so stealing that and making a bumpersticker out of it.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 02, 2016 02:34 PM (CS7jF)
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Speaking of Portland, I would watch Portlandia on IFC every once in a while and thought it was hilarious how it skewered the hipsters and wondered if they got that they were being skewered.
So then I started binge watching it on Netflix and like many Lorne Michaels joints, the quality is...uneven.
So then I started binge watching it on Netflix and like many Lorne Michaels joints, the quality is...uneven.
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 02:34 PM (tewYv)
159
Rush just played a clip of David Gergen cursing out Trump! Not cursing by Horde standards, but still needed to be bleeped.
Posted by: josephistan at December 02, 2016 02:34 PM (7HtZB)
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30, I've always thought the same thing, but not being Jewish myself, I've always been hesitant to bring it up. But from Podhoretz to Goldberg to Brooks to Kristol to Mona Charen to others I can't think of right this minute, it seems that every "rightish"Jewish commentator of note can't stand Trump. I know there are non Jews that fit into this (Will, etc.), but it's mostly Jews and frankly, it's annoying. It's annoying because it reveals that they have the same disdain for a good portion of their fellow citizens as those (mainly, but not exclusively) "leftish" Jewish commentators of note who are probably in the same social circles as the ones on the right.
Maybe it's history. Maybe Jews as a group just can't trust the "majority" and so want as many "minorities" around to dilute the "power" that the majority holds. I don't know.
But I can't think of anything else.
Maybe it's history. Maybe Jews as a group just can't trust the "majority" and so want as many "minorities" around to dilute the "power" that the majority holds. I don't know.
But I can't think of anything else.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 02, 2016 02:35 PM (SVmf8)
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Sunday (two days from now) is another major moment in the history of Europe. Two elections are happening -- in Italy and Austria -- in which Trump-esque alternatives are currently leading in the polls.
In Austria, a populist right-wing candidate is running against an establishment candidate for the nation's presidency. Although it is somewhat of a "ceremonial position," the president actually has more powers than he generally ever uses -- because until now the president has been from the same political party as the prime minister and the parliament. But if the populist guy (Hofer) wins, he will throw a massive monkey wrench in the "business as usual" in Austria, including possibly scheduling their own "EU exit" vote, which he has promised to do. The other guy is from the Green Party, but he has the support of all the mainstream parties -- he is the "consensus candidate," because all the other politicians were unpopular.
In Italy, there is an even more confusing referendum vote to "streamline the government," which is a euphemism for "turn the prime minister into a dictator," because it removes all power from the Italian Senate. More significantly, the current prime minister announced he would resign if the referendum failed -- and suddenly the vote was transformed into a way to get him out of office. Currently the "No" side is way ahead in the polls, fueled by populist sentiment on the right AND the left -- sort of a combination of all Bernie voters and Trump voters all coming together to boot the establishment out of office.
Anyway, in both races, the "populist" side seems to have a significant lead in the polls, and are likely to win. (Although the Austrian race is actually a do-over, since the establishment guy committed blatant voter fraud in the first round -- which they will attempt again, no doubt.) So the outcome is not guaranteed -- but it's looking for for a Trumptastic wave to continue reverberating around the globe.
In Austria, a populist right-wing candidate is running against an establishment candidate for the nation's presidency. Although it is somewhat of a "ceremonial position," the president actually has more powers than he generally ever uses -- because until now the president has been from the same political party as the prime minister and the parliament. But if the populist guy (Hofer) wins, he will throw a massive monkey wrench in the "business as usual" in Austria, including possibly scheduling their own "EU exit" vote, which he has promised to do. The other guy is from the Green Party, but he has the support of all the mainstream parties -- he is the "consensus candidate," because all the other politicians were unpopular.
In Italy, there is an even more confusing referendum vote to "streamline the government," which is a euphemism for "turn the prime minister into a dictator," because it removes all power from the Italian Senate. More significantly, the current prime minister announced he would resign if the referendum failed -- and suddenly the vote was transformed into a way to get him out of office. Currently the "No" side is way ahead in the polls, fueled by populist sentiment on the right AND the left -- sort of a combination of all Bernie voters and Trump voters all coming together to boot the establishment out of office.
Anyway, in both races, the "populist" side seems to have a significant lead in the polls, and are likely to win. (Although the Austrian race is actually a do-over, since the establishment guy committed blatant voter fraud in the first round -- which they will attempt again, no doubt.) So the outcome is not guaranteed -- but it's looking for for a Trumptastic wave to continue reverberating around the globe.
Posted by: zombie at December 02, 2016 02:35 PM (jBuUi)
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Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 02:30 PM (Om16U)
That was styxenhammer, he likes the Mattis pick:
http://tinyurl.com/zcqqzel
That was styxenhammer, he likes the Mattis pick:
http://tinyurl.com/zcqqzel
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 02:35 PM (jkmtt)
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Please, Trump, cancel that awful correspondent's dinner. I think it is a horrible tradition wholly designed for the elite set to congratulate themselves.
Posted by: squeakywheel
Orrrrrrr......go ahead and have it with Milo as the emcee. Could be fun!
Posted by: squeakywheel
Orrrrrrr......go ahead and have it with Milo as the emcee. Could be fun!
Posted by: Cheri at December 02, 2016 02:35 PM (oiNtH)
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And he says Trump's ego is such that he won't just settle for being POTUS - like with everything else, he is going to try to be the most popular, most successful POTUS ever.
Piers Morgan, who knows Trump well, said essentially the same.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?
My big fear with Trump is that he's going to want to be "popular".
The easiest way for him to be "popular" will be to basically do nothing conservative and go to war with Republicans and side with Democrats.
I hope he wants to actually get some things done than worry about approval ratings done by the same people that said he was going to lose a landslide to Hillary.
Piers Morgan, who knows Trump well, said essentially the same.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?
My big fear with Trump is that he's going to want to be "popular".
The easiest way for him to be "popular" will be to basically do nothing conservative and go to war with Republicans and side with Democrats.
I hope he wants to actually get some things done than worry about approval ratings done by the same people that said he was going to lose a landslide to Hillary.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:35 PM (lO4Gp)
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The completely missed aspect of the DJT phenomenon is that by campaigning against his personality and past buffoonery the Democrats (and media) never bothered to campaign against his stated policies. The buffoonery was a huge distraction that allowed a very conservative person (judging by his policy priorities and nominees) to essentially coast into the WH.
What Republican would ever dare say: "I will only appoint pro-life justices to the Supreme Court?" None. The closest any of them could come to that idea was to advocate for "Originalists" because the idea of actually saying "Pro-life" would have been huge fodder to Democrats.
Amazing. Probably going to be the most conservative president in our life-times and the media is still missing it with all their focus on racism, white nationalism, misogyny etc.
What Republican would ever dare say: "I will only appoint pro-life justices to the Supreme Court?" None. The closest any of them could come to that idea was to advocate for "Originalists" because the idea of actually saying "Pro-life" would have been huge fodder to Democrats.
Amazing. Probably going to be the most conservative president in our life-times and the media is still missing it with all their focus on racism, white nationalism, misogyny etc.
Posted by: scofflaw_x at December 02, 2016 02:35 PM (y9ZJX)
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I think there's truth to that.
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 02:30 PM (Om16U)
Scott Adams had a good write up on Trump's transition. His point was that Trump is behaving like a CEO taking over. Getting Carrier to keep most of the jobs here is a quick win that a new CEO wants to have. It sets a positive tone and gets the ball rolling.
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 02:30 PM (Om16U)
Scott Adams had a good write up on Trump's transition. His point was that Trump is behaving like a CEO taking over. Getting Carrier to keep most of the jobs here is a quick win that a new CEO wants to have. It sets a positive tone and gets the ball rolling.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at December 02, 2016 02:36 PM (J70i0)
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Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 02:34 PM (tewYv)
Sadly, too much of Portlandia is too close to the truth!
Moving away from here when we retire - it's not soon enough but I need to go where it's red!
Sadly, too much of Portlandia is too close to the truth!
Moving away from here when we retire - it's not soon enough but I need to go where it's red!
Posted by: Only GOP girl in PDX at December 02, 2016 02:36 PM (3aBcq)
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Or the Blue Collar comedians....Foxworthy, White, and Larry the Cable guy.
Posted by: Cheri at December 02, 2016 02:36 PM (oiNtH)
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Making Mattis Sec Def is flat out serious.
that guy will carries with him a gravitational field that will warp the foundations of the pentagon. He will attract serious committed people and eject into deep space all seat fillers and yes persons.
Things will change because personnel will change. Trump is smart.
that guy will carries with him a gravitational field that will warp the foundations of the pentagon. He will attract serious committed people and eject into deep space all seat fillers and yes persons.
Things will change because personnel will change. Trump is smart.
Posted by: simplemind at December 02, 2016 02:36 PM (xVRrG)
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>>Please, Trump, cancel that awful correspondent's dinner. I think it is a
horrible tradition wholly designed for the elite set to congratulate
themselves.
Have you seen the clips from the WH correspondents dinner that Trump attended as WashPost's Guest? First Seth whatshisname mocked Trump for a few minutes, and then Obama did the same. Think if Trump doesn't cancel these dinners he will turn it into a 'roast the media' event.
horrible tradition wholly designed for the elite set to congratulate
themselves.
Have you seen the clips from the WH correspondents dinner that Trump attended as WashPost's Guest? First Seth whatshisname mocked Trump for a few minutes, and then Obama did the same. Think if Trump doesn't cancel these dinners he will turn it into a 'roast the media' event.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 02:36 PM (NOIQH)
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it's looking for for = it's looking GOOD for
Posted by: zombie at December 02, 2016 02:36 PM (jBuUi)
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94 But politicians are smart. Just ask them...they are more than happy to tell you so, with details.
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lucky for them they only have to defeat other politicians
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lucky for them they only have to defeat other politicians
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 02, 2016 02:37 PM (h/uSM)
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General Tso was and why the hell a chicken dish named after him suddenly appeared everywhere in the US at the same time.
/OT off
Posted by: hogmartin at December 02, 2016 02:32 PM (8nWyX)
It happened that way because the Chinese realized, being civilized for 5000 years the way they have been, that Americans wouldn't like much of their authentic food, particularly their "Spare Rib Soup" (do not Google), which consists of noodle soup with an aborted fetus in it.
Those Chinese. So smart and crafty, they are.
/OT off
Posted by: hogmartin at December 02, 2016 02:32 PM (8nWyX)
It happened that way because the Chinese realized, being civilized for 5000 years the way they have been, that Americans wouldn't like much of their authentic food, particularly their "Spare Rib Soup" (do not Google), which consists of noodle soup with an aborted fetus in it.
Those Chinese. So smart and crafty, they are.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 02, 2016 02:37 PM (CS7jF)
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Haven't read the other comments yet, so if someone else has said this... sorrynotsorry.
People on the left and ESPECIALLY in academia tend to mistake the ability to use complex language for intelligence. Hence Bush was an idiot, but Obama is a genius. Because Bush makes malapropisms, and Obama uses sentences with dependent clauses and five-syllable words.
I used to make this mistake myself, until I had a few experiences with complex-talking dumb people.
There are probably some people on the right who make this mistake too, but I think there's more interest in what people do on the right, as opposed to what they say.
People on the left and ESPECIALLY in academia tend to mistake the ability to use complex language for intelligence. Hence Bush was an idiot, but Obama is a genius. Because Bush makes malapropisms, and Obama uses sentences with dependent clauses and five-syllable words.
I used to make this mistake myself, until I had a few experiences with complex-talking dumb people.
There are probably some people on the right who make this mistake too, but I think there's more interest in what people do on the right, as opposed to what they say.
Posted by: Farmer Joe at December 02, 2016 02:37 PM (zSMr0)
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Oh my CNBC after fretting over Trump intimidating CEOs is now headed for the fainting couches over Trump's use of the bully pulpit. I wonder where they were for the last 8 years?
Oh my CNBC after fretting over Trump intimidating CEOs is now headed for the fainting couches over Trump's use of the bully pulpit. I wonder where they were for the last 8 years?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 02, 2016 02:37 PM (493sH)
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146 Who knows anything about sump pumps?
And/or why they die an early death?
Because it's always submerged?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:33 PM (SgI6S)
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I've replaced 3.
1 because the little O ring and boot cracked and let water into the wiring.
2 because the float was getting stuck and caused it to try to pump when it was dry.
And/or why they die an early death?
Because it's always submerged?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:33 PM (SgI6S)
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I've replaced 3.
1 because the little O ring and boot cracked and let water into the wiring.
2 because the float was getting stuck and caused it to try to pump when it was dry.
Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 02, 2016 02:37 PM (hk1x8)
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John Oh My PudHurtz was a #nevertrump-er, then a reluctant trumper, and has wavered ever since.
And now he's like MaDonna in Desperately Seeking Relevance, playing his sad trumpbone.
And now he's like MaDonna in Desperately Seeking Relevance, playing his sad trumpbone.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 02, 2016 02:37 PM (oZEJt)
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He didn't care because it was Indiana. A bunch of red state hicks.
That's not true. I didn't care because it would've fucked up some of my tee times.
That's not true. I didn't care because it would've fucked up some of my tee times.
Posted by: Emperor Clusterfuck I at December 02, 2016 02:37 PM (qJhUV)
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In Italy, there is an even more confusing referendum vote to "streamline the government," which is a euphemism for "turn the prime minister into a dictator," because it removes all power from the Italian Senate.
Yes, Paolo was explaining that the ballot question was deceptively worded. I was very sympathetic to his plight.
*sigh*
Yes, Paolo was explaining that the ballot question was deceptively worded. I was very sympathetic to his plight.
*sigh*
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 02:37 PM (jkmtt)
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Please, Trump, cancel that awful correspondent's dinner. I think it is a horrible tradition wholly designed for the elite set to congratulate themselves.
No. It isn't the President's gig. It is the press's.
Instead, he should send the Deputy Assistant Under Secretary of the Interior for Insular Areas.
No. It isn't the President's gig. It is the press's.
Instead, he should send the Deputy Assistant Under Secretary of the Interior for Insular Areas.
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 02:38 PM (tewYv)
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Just won't even give a sign that it has power, Mike.
I'm thinking that the limit swift,h failed, but how do I tell?
I guess it's time to play 12 year old Chi, and take the toaster apart to figure out how it works...
I'm thinking that the limit swift,h failed, but how do I tell?
I guess it's time to play 12 year old Chi, and take the toaster apart to figure out how it works...
Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 02, 2016 02:38 PM (I7I0v)
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My big fear with Trump is that he's going to want to be "popular".
The easiest way for him to be "popular" will be to basically do nothing conservative and go to war with Republicans and side with Democrats.
What part of "You're fired!" is popular?
He is a CEO businessman.
He doesn't do popular. He does what is needed.
The easiest way for him to be "popular" will be to basically do nothing conservative and go to war with Republicans and side with Democrats.
What part of "You're fired!" is popular?
He is a CEO businessman.
He doesn't do popular. He does what is needed.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:38 PM (SgI6S)
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I'm in favor of term limits. The concept of a career politician does not seem right to me. Nobody should be in office until they have to be carried out horizontally.
The longer anyone--however well intentioned and purposeful and however great his integrity--stays in office the more likely he will be bent into becoming an aparatchik.
Yes there is some value to experience but most of these clowns have either one year of experience repeated over and over again or have experience in corruption and scamming the system.
The longer anyone--however well intentioned and purposeful and however great his integrity--stays in office the more likely he will be bent into becoming an aparatchik.
Yes there is some value to experience but most of these clowns have either one year of experience repeated over and over again or have experience in corruption and scamming the system.
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 02, 2016 02:38 PM (hJrjt)
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But....I watched Trump make "mistake" after "mistake" for months. He
misspoke, he insulted, he inflamed, he changed his views. He went off
script so much that it was obvious there was no script. And worst of
all, he went after the media. In short, he did everything the Acela
crowd knew...KNEW...wouldn't work.
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The "mistake" here is assuming that everything Trump did was the proximate cause of his winning. Maybe it was. . .maybe it wasn't. But he was running against a highly flawed and dislike candidate during a cycle with a relatively disliked exiting two term President.
Any GOP candidate 'should' (or 'could') have won this. That Trump did so running a highly unorthodox campaign doesn't necessarily mean his campaign worked better than a good conventional/orthodox one would have.
We simply don't know, and there is no way to know that.
misspoke, he insulted, he inflamed, he changed his views. He went off
script so much that it was obvious there was no script. And worst of
all, he went after the media. In short, he did everything the Acela
crowd knew...KNEW...wouldn't work.
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The "mistake" here is assuming that everything Trump did was the proximate cause of his winning. Maybe it was. . .maybe it wasn't. But he was running against a highly flawed and dislike candidate during a cycle with a relatively disliked exiting two term President.
Any GOP candidate 'should' (or 'could') have won this. That Trump did so running a highly unorthodox campaign doesn't necessarily mean his campaign worked better than a good conventional/orthodox one would have.
We simply don't know, and there is no way to know that.
Posted by: looking closely at December 02, 2016 02:39 PM (ji45d)
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Who knows anything about sump pumps?
And/or why they die an early death?
Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 02, 2016 02:31 PM (I7I0v)
Usually a pump will die if it is allowed to run dry so I would check the float switch to make sure it is working right. Also look to make sure it's suction is not being blocked by trash.
Other than that one thing I have noticed with my old pool pumps is that the expected lifetime on them dropped more and more as they started being made in third world shit holes from shoddy materials. The chief culprit for their failures was the bearings in the motor.
Who knows anything about sump pumps?
And/or why they die an early death?
Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 02, 2016 02:31 PM (I7I0v)
Usually a pump will die if it is allowed to run dry so I would check the float switch to make sure it is working right. Also look to make sure it's suction is not being blocked by trash.
Other than that one thing I have noticed with my old pool pumps is that the expected lifetime on them dropped more and more as they started being made in third world shit holes from shoddy materials. The chief culprit for their failures was the bearings in the motor.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 02, 2016 02:39 PM (mpXpK)
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The first day of Wisconsin's presidential recount narrowed the gap between former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President-elect Donald Trump by precisely ONE VOTE.
Posted by: undocumented illegal canvasser at December 02, 2016 02:39 PM (e8kgV)
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A Virginia school district announced the banning of "To Kill A Mockingbird" and "Huckleberry Finn", in order to preserve the happiness of special snowflakes who don't want to even read racial slurs.
Posted by: Chickens Come Home To Roost File at December 02, 2016 02:39 PM (sCBEO)
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"Rush just played a clip of David Gergen cursing out Trump!"
Was it the cursing of a Trump that just gave him a wedgie; or a Trump that has signaled he does not need the advice of the official wiseman of DC?
Was it the cursing of a Trump that just gave him a wedgie; or a Trump that has signaled he does not need the advice of the official wiseman of DC?
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 02:39 PM (hLRSq)
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I'd love Trump to tear through the morass of shit in DC like a hurricane, unfuck the country and in mid 2019 say "We fixed the colossal fuckup in DC and it is in good hands with Mike. I'm not running for re-election, I'm going to finish my work here and I endorse VP Pence as the next president."
Posted by: Timon at December 02, 2016 02:34 PM (27k1O)
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I would love that, but we all know it's going to take a very long time to undo all the wrong that has been done. He sure can't fix everything in 4 years.
But - he can make a good start, and then endorse Pence as you say. Who knows. I think he'll take a good hard look at things near the end of his term.
It will be very interesting to see how this presidency unfolds. I am cautious but optimistic. Which is way more than I can say for the way I felt 8 years ago and 4 years ago, when I was heartbroken and nauseous.
Posted by: Timon at December 02, 2016 02:34 PM (27k1O)
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I would love that, but we all know it's going to take a very long time to undo all the wrong that has been done. He sure can't fix everything in 4 years.
But - he can make a good start, and then endorse Pence as you say. Who knows. I think he'll take a good hard look at things near the end of his term.
It will be very interesting to see how this presidency unfolds. I am cautious but optimistic. Which is way more than I can say for the way I felt 8 years ago and 4 years ago, when I was heartbroken and nauseous.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:39 PM (Zokmo)
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@92 .....for the times, they are a-changin'
Good timing on the Nobel. A lot of the poetry Dylan wrote is actually being played out in front of us. In an ironic sort of way. I doubt he had Trump in mind when he penned it.
@92 .....for the times, they are a-changin'
Good timing on the Nobel. A lot of the poetry Dylan wrote is actually being played out in front of us. In an ironic sort of way. I doubt he had Trump in mind when he penned it.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 02:40 PM (dFi94)
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im not certain trump is improvising at all
Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers at December 02, 2016 02:40 PM (E1+X/)
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The United States of American,
he's going to have to be positive, lead by example, communicate well and
frequently with his "[EMPLOYERS]" (the People),
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There, fixed it for you
Posted by: mrp at December 02, 2016 02:17 PM (JBggj)
Got me.
he's going to have to be positive, lead by example, communicate well and
frequently with his "[EMPLOYERS]" (the People),
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There, fixed it for you
Posted by: mrp at December 02, 2016 02:17 PM (JBggj)
Got me.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 02, 2016 02:40 PM (CS7jF)
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Posted by: hogmartin at December 02, 2016 02:32 PM (8nWyX)
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Second. That documentary is great fun and very interesting.
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Second. That documentary is great fun and very interesting.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 02:40 PM (xeeHA)
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Would you like to elaborate on your concerns?
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at December 02, 2016 02:29 PM (J70i0)
"he changed his views"
A candidate represents a coalition of interests, held together by the expectation that explicit campaign promises will be upheld. That expectation is gone when a candidate changes his mind (or "thinks out loud") several times during a campaign. In effect, it is breaking campaign promises, and creates uncertainty within a coalition. I honestly don't understand why this should be considered an attractive quality.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at December 02, 2016 02:29 PM (J70i0)
"he changed his views"
A candidate represents a coalition of interests, held together by the expectation that explicit campaign promises will be upheld. That expectation is gone when a candidate changes his mind (or "thinks out loud") several times during a campaign. In effect, it is breaking campaign promises, and creates uncertainty within a coalition. I honestly don't understand why this should be considered an attractive quality.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at December 02, 2016 02:41 PM (egK2C)
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Latest on MI recount:
The Board of Canvassers locked at 2 to 2 on the GOP objection to the recount. MI election law requires a 2 day waiting period following the Board's decision on an objection. Attorney General Schuette (frontrunner for the next GOP Gov nomination) has already filed litigation in the Court of Appeals and the MI Supreme Court calling for a halt to the recount, so depending on what the courts do, the recount could be stopped. AG Schuette filed the lawsuit in the Court of Appeals but has also asked the MI Supreme Court to bypass the appeals and issue a decision.
The Board of Canvassers locked at 2 to 2 on the GOP objection to the recount. MI election law requires a 2 day waiting period following the Board's decision on an objection. Attorney General Schuette (frontrunner for the next GOP Gov nomination) has already filed litigation in the Court of Appeals and the MI Supreme Court calling for a halt to the recount, so depending on what the courts do, the recount could be stopped. AG Schuette filed the lawsuit in the Court of Appeals but has also asked the MI Supreme Court to bypass the appeals and issue a decision.
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at December 02, 2016 02:41 PM (dQJCS)
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The first day of Wisconsin's presidential recount
narrowed the gap between former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and
President-elect Donald Trump by precisely ONE VOTE.
Posted by: undocumented illegal canvasser at December 02, 2016 02:39 PM (e8kgV)
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Transparency!!
narrowed the gap between former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and
President-elect Donald Trump by precisely ONE VOTE.
Posted by: undocumented illegal canvasser at December 02, 2016 02:39 PM (e8kgV)
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Transparency!!
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 02:41 PM (dFi94)
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It's that same canard: "We JUST DON'T KNOW what he'll DO!!" Even after he gave a number of speeches telling exactly what he will do
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we have to pass it to find out whats in it
It's that same canard: "We JUST DON'T KNOW what he'll DO!!" Even after he gave a number of speeches telling exactly what he will do
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we have to pass it to find out whats in it
Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers at December 02, 2016 02:42 PM (E1+X/)
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I'd love Trump to tear through the morass of shit in DC like a hurricane, unfuck the country and in mid 2019 say "We fixed the colossal fuckup in DC and it is in good hands with Mike. I'm not running for re-election, I'm going to finish my work here and I endorse VP Pence as the next president."
Posted by: Timon
I like Pence, but let's be honest, it would largely be like another term for Dubya.
I'd much rather have 8 years of Trump tearing apart the Establishment.
Posted by: Timon
I like Pence, but let's be honest, it would largely be like another term for Dubya.
I'd much rather have 8 years of Trump tearing apart the Establishment.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:42 PM (lO4Gp)
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We simply don't know, and there is no way to know that.
Posted by: looking closely at December 02, 2016 02:39 PM (ji45d)
I agree completely.
But the point is not that Trump is a genius (I don't think he is)...the point is that the NY-DC corridor people are stupid and insular and incapable of thinking for themselves.
Posted by: looking closely at December 02, 2016 02:39 PM (ji45d)
I agree completely.
But the point is not that Trump is a genius (I don't think he is)...the point is that the NY-DC corridor people are stupid and insular and incapable of thinking for themselves.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:42 PM (42Mgr)
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Podhorez: We expect candidates to study their words carefully and issue them with care, etc.
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Trump isn't quite doing that YET. . .but I think he will start doing it much more carefully after he's been in office a while, because he's going to find pretty quickly that not doing so hurts him more than helps him.
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Trump isn't quite doing that YET. . .but I think he will start doing it much more carefully after he's been in office a while, because he's going to find pretty quickly that not doing so hurts him more than helps him.
Posted by: looking closely at December 02, 2016 02:43 PM (ji45d)
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Just because you are elected, that doesn't mean you are qualified.
Posted by: one name commenter guy at December 02, 2016 02:43 PM (P1MbI)
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My big fear with Trump is that he's going to want to be "popular".
The easiest way for him to be "popular" will be to basically do
nothing conservative and go to war with Republicans and side with
Democrats.
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he already IS popular... your concern is, at best silly.
The easiest way for him to be "popular" will be to basically do
nothing conservative and go to war with Republicans and side with
Democrats.
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he already IS popular... your concern is, at best silly.
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 02, 2016 02:43 PM (7GCf5)
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"177 John Oh My PudHurtz was a #nevertrump-er, then a reluctant trumper, and has wavered ever since.
And now he's like MaDonna in Desperately Seeking Relevance, playing his sad trumpbone.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 02, 2016 02:37 PM (oZEJt)"
Podhoretz was a dead end never trumper, I don't think he ever mustered anything even close to resembling "reluctant support" I'd have loved to have been sitting next to him on election night watching his reactions.
And now he's like MaDonna in Desperately Seeking Relevance, playing his sad trumpbone.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 02, 2016 02:37 PM (oZEJt)"
Podhoretz was a dead end never trumper, I don't think he ever mustered anything even close to resembling "reluctant support" I'd have loved to have been sitting next to him on election night watching his reactions.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at December 02, 2016 02:43 PM (Uy8SG)
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Think if Trump doesn't cancel these dinners he will turn it into a 'roast the media' event.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 02:36 PM (NOIQH)
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Now, THAT would be something. I'm picturing something along the lines of his speech last night, when he kept talking about the corrupt media.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 02:36 PM (NOIQH)
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Now, THAT would be something. I'm picturing something along the lines of his speech last night, when he kept talking about the corrupt media.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:43 PM (Zokmo)
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Buy the best one you can find. My newest one is a Liberty, and it seems much better built than the previous two.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Thanks. I just replaced one for a neighbor. Not sure what i replaced it with, but i have the dead one here for an autopsy.
The new one is super quiet, and was quite pricey - I know that.
Buy the best one you can find. My newest one is a Liberty, and it seems much better built than the previous two.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Thanks. I just replaced one for a neighbor. Not sure what i replaced it with, but i have the dead one here for an autopsy.
The new one is super quiet, and was quite pricey - I know that.
Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 02, 2016 02:43 PM (I7I0v)
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Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at December 02, 2016 02:41 PM (dQJCS)
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Three states with serpentine regulations on procedures to recount ballots with a time limit. I have lost track of all the 89 pathways to certification. What a farce. What a waste. And what a way to not only disenfranchise voters, but to turn other voters cynical to the whole process.
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Three states with serpentine regulations on procedures to recount ballots with a time limit. I have lost track of all the 89 pathways to certification. What a farce. What a waste. And what a way to not only disenfranchise voters, but to turn other voters cynical to the whole process.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 02:43 PM (dFi94)
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The left assigns intelligence and racism depending on how much one agrees with them.
Posted by: LASue at December 02, 2016 02:44 PM (R2dMB)
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The story behind General Tso's chicken is this:
An American admiral visited Taiwan for a state visit in 1953, and the government chef preparing the banquets for him ran out of recipes and new ideas because his stay was extended. So the chef, who was born in Hunan, just invented a new kind of dishes based loosely on traditional Hunan spices. When the American admiral asked what the name of the dish was, the chef improvised the name "General Tso's Chicken" off the top of his head -- the name came from an actual General Tso, a famous 19th century Hunanese military leader. Bit there was no real connection between the 19th-century guy and the recipe -- it was just an off-the-cuff name the chef invented on the spot.
Later, that chef founded his own chain of fast food restaurants in Taiwan, and had the idea of putting his General Tso's Chicken recipe on the menu. It because hugely popular in Taiwan, and most other restaurants began to copy it.
Then, in the '70s, Chinese restaurants in the US, staffed by immigrants from Taiwan, began to feature it here too. Over time, it grew in popularity and became thought of as a "standard" Chinese dish. The recent explosion in popular of spicy Asian flavors (like Sriracha sauce on everything, etc.) added to the General Tso explosion.
An American admiral visited Taiwan for a state visit in 1953, and the government chef preparing the banquets for him ran out of recipes and new ideas because his stay was extended. So the chef, who was born in Hunan, just invented a new kind of dishes based loosely on traditional Hunan spices. When the American admiral asked what the name of the dish was, the chef improvised the name "General Tso's Chicken" off the top of his head -- the name came from an actual General Tso, a famous 19th century Hunanese military leader. Bit there was no real connection between the 19th-century guy and the recipe -- it was just an off-the-cuff name the chef invented on the spot.
Later, that chef founded his own chain of fast food restaurants in Taiwan, and had the idea of putting his General Tso's Chicken recipe on the menu. It because hugely popular in Taiwan, and most other restaurants began to copy it.
Then, in the '70s, Chinese restaurants in the US, staffed by immigrants from Taiwan, began to feature it here too. Over time, it grew in popularity and became thought of as a "standard" Chinese dish. The recent explosion in popular of spicy Asian flavors (like Sriracha sauce on everything, etc.) added to the General Tso explosion.
Posted by: zombie at December 02, 2016 02:44 PM (jBuUi)
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The easiest way for him to be "popular" will be to basically do nothing conservative and go to war with Republicans and side with Democrats
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Might go to war but won't side with the democrat party. He hates the media and they're the same people. Besides, he thinks they're all stupid
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Might go to war but won't side with the democrat party. He hates the media and they're the same people. Besides, he thinks they're all stupid
Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers at December 02, 2016 02:44 PM (E1+X/)
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39 Hmm. The Food and Nutrition Service says that the number one item purchased with food stamps is soft drinks, $357 million purchased in 2011.
Other popular items your tax dollars supply to food stamp recipients: bag snacks to the tune of $200 million per year, candy at $96 million annually, and $90 million worth of ice cream.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 02, 2016 02:13 PM (7ZVPa)
I didn't know if these were valid stats, so I looked them up. Not doubting you personally, I just to know what i was yelling about before I start yelling about it (God love my wife for dealing with me).
Yup, right at the top is sugary drinks. Technically #2 under meat, poultry, and seafood, but when you compare cost per ounce, it's not even close. SNAP consume a metric f&$^-ton more pop than any other food item.
I don't even know what to say to any of that. What a system we've built.
Other popular items your tax dollars supply to food stamp recipients: bag snacks to the tune of $200 million per year, candy at $96 million annually, and $90 million worth of ice cream.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 02, 2016 02:13 PM (7ZVPa)
I didn't know if these were valid stats, so I looked them up. Not doubting you personally, I just to know what i was yelling about before I start yelling about it (God love my wife for dealing with me).
Yup, right at the top is sugary drinks. Technically #2 under meat, poultry, and seafood, but when you compare cost per ounce, it's not even close. SNAP consume a metric f&$^-ton more pop than any other food item.
I don't even know what to say to any of that. What a system we've built.
Posted by: Alex #11 at December 02, 2016 02:44 PM (EUMt/)
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Great post CBD.
Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at December 02, 2016 02:44 PM (qZpvO)
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"The easiest way for him to be "popular" will be to basically do
nothing conservative and go to war with Republicans and side with
Democrats. "
The easiest way for him to be popular is to deliver. I don't think he can touch Reagan's 84 land slide, but he will give Bush/Quayle a run for their money in 2020 if he can deliver anything remotely competent that looks like his campaign rhetoric.
nothing conservative and go to war with Republicans and side with
Democrats. "
The easiest way for him to be popular is to deliver. I don't think he can touch Reagan's 84 land slide, but he will give Bush/Quayle a run for their money in 2020 if he can deliver anything remotely competent that looks like his campaign rhetoric.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at December 02, 2016 02:45 PM (Uy8SG)
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Your totally right. Trump should hand the presidency over to Hillary and go home. And then we should commit suicide.
Here's a razor. After you.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 02, 2016 02:33 PM (1G5R
If I wanted that, I wouldn't have voted for him.
Here's a razor. After you.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 02, 2016 02:33 PM (1G5R
If I wanted that, I wouldn't have voted for him.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at December 02, 2016 02:46 PM (egK2C)
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Any GOP candidate 'should' (or 'could') have won this. That Trump did so running a highly unorthodox campaign doesn't necessarily mean his campaign worked better than a good conventional/orthodox one would have.
We simply don't know, and there is no way to know that.
Posted by: looking closely at December 02, 2016 02:39 PM (ji45d)
True enough there is no alternate experiment that we can run.
But ask yourself - who among the candidates could have flipped Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania? Because that is what had to happen. Cruz? Kasich? I just don't buy the any old body could have beaten Hillary Clinton thing.
One thing we can feel pretty confident about - the same old candidates doing the same old things would have gotten the same old results.
We simply don't know, and there is no way to know that.
Posted by: looking closely at December 02, 2016 02:39 PM (ji45d)
True enough there is no alternate experiment that we can run.
But ask yourself - who among the candidates could have flipped Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania? Because that is what had to happen. Cruz? Kasich? I just don't buy the any old body could have beaten Hillary Clinton thing.
One thing we can feel pretty confident about - the same old candidates doing the same old things would have gotten the same old results.
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 02:46 PM (tewYv)
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140 Chef Peng Chang-kuei, the founder of the famous Hunan-style restaurant chain Peng's Garden Hunan Restaurant and inventor of the world famous Chinese dish General Tso's Chicken, died on Nov. 30 at the age of 98 from Pneumonia.
Posted by: undocumented illegal chef at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (e8kgV)
We're past 100, so OT is OK, right?
Everybody who has Netflix should go watch The Search for General Tso. Excellent documentary about Chinese immigration and restaurants, framed as a story about who General Tso was and why the hell a chicken dish named after him suddenly appeared everywhere in the US at the same time.
/OT off
Posted by: hogmartin at December 02, 2016 02:32 PM (8nWyX)
I've seen that. And, yes, it was good. I don't know if I've had General Tso's chicken. I have had General Tso's chicken-flavored potato chips (perhaps only available in Canada.)
Posted by: undocumented illegal chef at December 02, 2016 02:14 PM (e8kgV)
We're past 100, so OT is OK, right?
Everybody who has Netflix should go watch The Search for General Tso. Excellent documentary about Chinese immigration and restaurants, framed as a story about who General Tso was and why the hell a chicken dish named after him suddenly appeared everywhere in the US at the same time.
/OT off
Posted by: hogmartin at December 02, 2016 02:32 PM (8nWyX)
I've seen that. And, yes, it was good. I don't know if I've had General Tso's chicken. I have had General Tso's chicken-flavored potato chips (perhaps only available in Canada.)
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 02, 2016 02:46 PM (hJrjt)
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But the point is not that Trump is a genius (I don't think he is)...the point is that the NY-DC corridor people are stupid and insular and incapable of thinking for themselves.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:42 PM (42Mgr)
I agree, except I don't think most of them are "stupid" in the low IQ sense. But their arrogance ( because they have degrees, you know) blinds them to anything that doesn't comfortably fit into their world view.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:42 PM (42Mgr)
I agree, except I don't think most of them are "stupid" in the low IQ sense. But their arrogance ( because they have degrees, you know) blinds them to anything that doesn't comfortably fit into their world view.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 02, 2016 02:46 PM (SVmf8)
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>.It will be very interesting to see how this presidency unfolds. I am
cautious but optimistic. Which is way more than I can say for the way I
felt 8 years ago and 4 years ago, when I was heartbroken and nauseous.
Same here. I know he will disappoint me, but I'm OK with that (right now, anyway). It's just watching him at that rally last night, and some of his campaign rallies, I've started to cringe less and focus on the confidence, the attitude, the boldness.
These things can a have a huge impact, create a momentum and a can-do/will-do mindset that Obama killed. That alone is a gift, the change in direction, the optimism of a guy repeatedly standing up there and simply saying, "We're gonna do this, folks...it's gonna happen...we're getting the jobs back and cutting regulations." No pundit can discount what that kind of talk can do to change people's perceptions, change a businesses' behavior.
cautious but optimistic. Which is way more than I can say for the way I
felt 8 years ago and 4 years ago, when I was heartbroken and nauseous.
Same here. I know he will disappoint me, but I'm OK with that (right now, anyway). It's just watching him at that rally last night, and some of his campaign rallies, I've started to cringe less and focus on the confidence, the attitude, the boldness.
These things can a have a huge impact, create a momentum and a can-do/will-do mindset that Obama killed. That alone is a gift, the change in direction, the optimism of a guy repeatedly standing up there and simply saying, "We're gonna do this, folks...it's gonna happen...we're getting the jobs back and cutting regulations." No pundit can discount what that kind of talk can do to change people's perceptions, change a businesses' behavior.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 02:47 PM (NOIQH)
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159 Rush just played a clip of David Gergen cursing out Trump!
No, he didn't, as Rush acknowledged. Gergen was saying that people who didn't already support Trump, after yesterday's speech, would say they still don't like the (insert sort of nasty epithet.)
Was Gergen including himself? Maybe, maybe not, but that's not the same as Gergen personally cursing Trump out, as Rush noted when he replayed it.
No, he didn't, as Rush acknowledged. Gergen was saying that people who didn't already support Trump, after yesterday's speech, would say they still don't like the (insert sort of nasty epithet.)
Was Gergen including himself? Maybe, maybe not, but that's not the same as Gergen personally cursing Trump out, as Rush noted when he replayed it.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at December 02, 2016 02:47 PM (ul9CR)
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But the point is not that Trump is a genius (I don't think he is)...the point is that the NY-DC corridor people are stupid and insular and incapable of thinking for themselves.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:42 PM (42Mgr
And they smell funny
But the point is not that Trump is a genius (I don't think he is)...the point is that the NY-DC corridor people are stupid and insular and incapable of thinking for themselves.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:42 PM (42Mgr
And they smell funny
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 02, 2016 02:48 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 02, 2016 02:48 PM (1G5R8)
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147 >>What policy issues has he a taken a position on that a conservative
would object to? He's probably well to the right of Reagan on most
issues at this point.
He is liberal on social issues, such as SSM and transgender bathrooms.
HOWEVER --- these are not important issues to him. He does not see promoting those things as important features of his presidency, critical to be implemented via federal policies. And this is why a lot of people are OK with his views.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 02:33 PM (NOIQH)
I don't know if he's really on board with the Transgenders in the bathroom issue. At least not in the sense that they are really trying to push. He's probably thinking a dude in a dress with makeup and is basically able to pass as a woman, albeit an ugly woman that Austin Powers would shout "That's a man baby!"
The push now is that if you "identify" as the opposite sex then you can use their bathroom. So me as a dude wearing men's clothing and having facial hair, should be able to use the women's restroom if I claim to identify as a woman.
I think Trump might smack someone if they tried to tell him that.
147 >>What policy issues has he a taken a position on that a conservative
would object to? He's probably well to the right of Reagan on most
issues at this point.
He is liberal on social issues, such as SSM and transgender bathrooms.
HOWEVER --- these are not important issues to him. He does not see promoting those things as important features of his presidency, critical to be implemented via federal policies. And this is why a lot of people are OK with his views.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 02:33 PM (NOIQH)
I don't know if he's really on board with the Transgenders in the bathroom issue. At least not in the sense that they are really trying to push. He's probably thinking a dude in a dress with makeup and is basically able to pass as a woman, albeit an ugly woman that Austin Powers would shout "That's a man baby!"
The push now is that if you "identify" as the opposite sex then you can use their bathroom. So me as a dude wearing men's clothing and having facial hair, should be able to use the women's restroom if I claim to identify as a woman.
I think Trump might smack someone if they tried to tell him that.
Posted by: buzzion at December 02, 2016 02:48 PM (bMG0w)
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Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at December 02, 2016 02:41 PM (dQJCS)
According to MI AG, Stein's paperwork wasn't even properly notarized. She was supposed to file the paperwork in person, but did not.
According to MI AG, Stein's paperwork wasn't even properly notarized. She was supposed to file the paperwork in person, but did not.
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 02:48 PM (jkmtt)
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Might go to war but won't side with the democrat party. He hates the media and they're the same people. Besides, he thinks they're all stupid
Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers
An example would be like Planned Parenthood.
He has said repeatedly that he won't cut funding for it.
So if he Republican Congress hands him a defunding bill, what does he do? veto it?
I can overlook this, but it will be interesting
Same with ObamaCare, I would prefer he just repeal it outright on Day 1and then cobble together some reforms later, but he has said he won't do that. It will be one package keeping many elements of it.
Might go to war but won't side with the democrat party. He hates the media and they're the same people. Besides, he thinks they're all stupid
Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers
An example would be like Planned Parenthood.
He has said repeatedly that he won't cut funding for it.
So if he Republican Congress hands him a defunding bill, what does he do? veto it?
I can overlook this, but it will be interesting
Same with ObamaCare, I would prefer he just repeal it outright on Day 1and then cobble together some reforms later, but he has said he won't do that. It will be one package keeping many elements of it.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:49 PM (lO4Gp)
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"The "mistake" here is assuming that everything Trump did was the proximate cause of his winning. Maybe it was. . .maybe it wasn't. But he was running against a highly flawed and dislike candidate during a cycle with a relatively disliked exiting two term President."
He ran against the Republican establishment, the bulk of the MSM (including much of the conservative commentariat), as well as the Democrats.
He beat all of the professionals at their own game.
The dumb guy played the smart guys for fools.
So far he is fine by me.
He ran against the Republican establishment, the bulk of the MSM (including much of the conservative commentariat), as well as the Democrats.
He beat all of the professionals at their own game.
The dumb guy played the smart guys for fools.
So far he is fine by me.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 02:49 PM (hLRSq)
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>>The easiest way for him to be popular is to deliver. I don't think he can touch Reagan's 84 land slide, but he will give Bush/Quayle a run for their money in 2020 if he can deliver anything remotely competent that looks like his campaign rhetoric.
Best thing for him, it shouldn't really be all that hard.
- Secure the border and enforce immigration laws. this is a layup.
- Cut taxes including corporate taxes. Again, a no brainer with a Republican Congress.
- Repeal Obamacare and replace with market based solutions. He just appointed an HHS secretary who has presented just such a plan for 7 straight years.
He does these things and he will have a ton of support. He goes after ISIS in a serious way, hell General Mattis, and it's just gravy.
Best thing for him, it shouldn't really be all that hard.
- Secure the border and enforce immigration laws. this is a layup.
- Cut taxes including corporate taxes. Again, a no brainer with a Republican Congress.
- Repeal Obamacare and replace with market based solutions. He just appointed an HHS secretary who has presented just such a plan for 7 straight years.
He does these things and he will have a ton of support. He goes after ISIS in a serious way, hell General Mattis, and it's just gravy.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 02:49 PM (/tuJf)
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The other thing about people like Bill Kristol and Podhoretz and David Brooks is that they seem really, really old for their age. Has anyone ever noticed that?
Posted by: JoeF. at December 02, 2016 02:49 PM (SVmf8)
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211 Great post CBD.
Posted by: Phone of kari
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Shit.
There's a post up there?
And we're supposed to read it, too?
Posted by: Phone of kari
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Shit.
There's a post up there?
And we're supposed to read it, too?
Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 02, 2016 02:49 PM (I7I0v)
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I was opining about this to some friends the other day.
You see and will see a lot of talk about how "wow Trump is realizing this is harder than it looks" I think this is 180 degrees wrong. I think Trump will find the job easy, and Pence will benefit enormously. Trump is unfettered by political norms.
I think half the "it's hard" is trying to nibble around the edges and maintain some semblance of political normalcy while thinking small and pretending to get things done. Trump isn't going to waste time with any of that crap. Trump is no conservative but Pence can move conservative issues like a freight train if they focus on big picture important things.
Rush has been alluding to this a bit the last few weeks. People are going to be knocked on their collective asses by the whirlwind fury at which things will move when Trump wants them moved. He's not going to waste time with BS like he is expected to and every president since Teddy Roosevelt has been expected to. The bully pulpit is in full effect.
You see and will see a lot of talk about how "wow Trump is realizing this is harder than it looks" I think this is 180 degrees wrong. I think Trump will find the job easy, and Pence will benefit enormously. Trump is unfettered by political norms.
I think half the "it's hard" is trying to nibble around the edges and maintain some semblance of political normalcy while thinking small and pretending to get things done. Trump isn't going to waste time with any of that crap. Trump is no conservative but Pence can move conservative issues like a freight train if they focus on big picture important things.
Rush has been alluding to this a bit the last few weeks. People are going to be knocked on their collective asses by the whirlwind fury at which things will move when Trump wants them moved. He's not going to waste time with BS like he is expected to and every president since Teddy Roosevelt has been expected to. The bully pulpit is in full effect.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at December 02, 2016 02:49 PM (Uy8SG)
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So far, the Wisconsin recount has moved Shrillary one vote closer to Trump. At this rate, she will overtake Trump's lead in 74 years.
Posted by: LASue at December 02, 2016 02:49 PM (R2dMB)
Posted by: garrett at December 02, 2016 02:50 PM (PeNEi)
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There's a post up there?
And we're supposed to read it, too?
Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 02, 2016 02:49 PM (I7I0v)
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'Tis not the Moron™ way, Grasshopper.
And we're supposed to read it, too?
Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 02, 2016 02:49 PM (I7I0v)
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'Tis not the Moron™ way, Grasshopper.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 02:50 PM (Zokmo)
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I've seen that. And, yes, it was good. I don't know if I've had General Tso's chicken.
Might have been his cat.
Might have been his cat.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:50 PM (SgI6S)
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>>214
Any GOP candidate 'should' (or 'could') have won this. That Trump did
so running a highly unorthodox campaign doesn't necessarily mean his
campaign worked better than a good conventional/orthodox one would have.
We simply don't know, and there is no way to know that.
Posted by: looking closely at December 02, 2016 02:39 PM (ji45d)
General Tso comment--digested, but unsatisfying. What's your point?
Any GOP candidate 'should' (or 'could') have won this. That Trump did
so running a highly unorthodox campaign doesn't necessarily mean his
campaign worked better than a good conventional/orthodox one would have.
We simply don't know, and there is no way to know that.
Posted by: looking closely at December 02, 2016 02:39 PM (ji45d)
General Tso comment--digested, but unsatisfying. What's your point?
Posted by: General Zod at December 02, 2016 02:51 PM (Bdeb0)
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"Any GOP candidate 'should' (or 'could') have won this."
Yes, the generic R candidate would have beaten Hillary easily.
Now put an actual face on the R candidate and we'd get a different outcome.
MSM would have savaged any R candidate. Trump had exaggerated flaws but Mad Media Skillz. The key was to drive up Hillary's negatives.
Yes, the generic R candidate would have beaten Hillary easily.
Now put an actual face on the R candidate and we'd get a different outcome.
MSM would have savaged any R candidate. Trump had exaggerated flaws but Mad Media Skillz. The key was to drive up Hillary's negatives.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 02:51 PM (SIY7D)
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In effect, it is breaking campaign promises, and creates uncertainty within a coalition. I honestly don't understand why this should be considered an attractive quality.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at December 02, 2016 02:41 PM (egK2C)
If Trump keeps doing that he will certainly fail in Florida and North Carolina. The Blue Wall will hold; it shall be an early night.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at December 02, 2016 02:41 PM (egK2C)
If Trump keeps doing that he will certainly fail in Florida and North Carolina. The Blue Wall will hold; it shall be an early night.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 02:51 PM (hLRSq)
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"...except I don't think most of them are "stupid" in the low IQ sense. "
Posted by: JoeF. at December 02, 2016 02:46 PM (SVmf
We need to define "intelligence," and that is a topic all its own.
But many of these people consider anything outside of their insular lives to be unworthy of thought.
I don't. I think that is a good definition of stupid.
[I think we mostly agree though]
Posted by: JoeF. at December 02, 2016 02:46 PM (SVmf
We need to define "intelligence," and that is a topic all its own.
But many of these people consider anything outside of their insular lives to be unworthy of thought.
I don't. I think that is a good definition of stupid.
[I think we mostly agree though]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:51 PM (42Mgr)
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He's a fan of an open immigration policy, which he justifies at least partly on the basis of his Jewishness.
Washington can either pick social security or open immigration.
leaving aside the economic argument, the right has no business supporting the mass immigration of people diametrically opposed to our values.
Leaving aside the economic and values argument, at the very least, a Jewish person should be hesitant to agree to rising immigration from one of the countries where sales of Mein Kampf have become brisk.
Washington can either pick social security or open immigration.
leaving aside the economic argument, the right has no business supporting the mass immigration of people diametrically opposed to our values.
Leaving aside the economic and values argument, at the very least, a Jewish person should be hesitant to agree to rising immigration from one of the countries where sales of Mein Kampf have become brisk.
Posted by: djmears at December 02, 2016 02:51 PM (WFjXF)
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But we're missing one profound thing about Trump, and we keep missing it, and we will continue to miss it: Trump is not a politician. He doesn't think of himself as a politician, and he doesn't act like a politician, and we're all desperately trying to fit him into our understanding of what he's supposed to be.
This is so true and they will never solve this riddle.
But we're missing one profound thing about Trump, and we keep missing it, and we will continue to miss it: Trump is not a politician. He doesn't think of himself as a politician, and he doesn't act like a politician, and we're all desperately trying to fit him into our understanding of what he's supposed to be.
This is so true and they will never solve this riddle.
Posted by: eleven at December 02, 2016 02:51 PM (qUNWi)
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But ask yourself - who among the candidates could have flipped Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania? Because that is what had to happen. Cruz? Kasich? I just don't buy the any old body could have beaten Hillary Clinton thing.
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I never thought I'd see Wisconsin red again. And PA was just hysterically impossible.
Getting those Reagan Democrats was quite a feat.
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I never thought I'd see Wisconsin red again. And PA was just hysterically impossible.
Getting those Reagan Democrats was quite a feat.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 02:51 PM (xeeHA)
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The guy isn't even in office yet. He was elected less than a month ago. We don't know what Donald Trump will do.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 02:23 PM (39g3+)
This is exactly my point; I want to know what a politician will do based on his campaign promises. Why is this "concern" wrong? That's the only real issue I have with CBD's article.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 02:23 PM (39g3+)
This is exactly my point; I want to know what a politician will do based on his campaign promises. Why is this "concern" wrong? That's the only real issue I have with CBD's article.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at December 02, 2016 02:52 PM (egK2C)
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David Gergen, according to Dick Nixon, was a soulless snake, with NO principles, always willing to sell himself to the highest bidder. Donald Trump has a first-class bullshit detector, and no doubt can see through this guy.
As far as "improvising" goes: I've seen Podhoretz, and I seriously doubt he's ever surfed, or even body-surfed. When you're riding a WAVE, there are gazillions of molecules in fluid dynamic turbulence, over a varying seafloor, and the chaos math of the wind plays into it, too. You have to "feel" the wave's ever-shifting form, its clash with the other waves, and FLEX to meet conditions.
You Can't Ride A Wave Using A Soviet-Style Five-Year Plan, John. [And all you other egghead types.]
thatisall
As far as "improvising" goes: I've seen Podhoretz, and I seriously doubt he's ever surfed, or even body-surfed. When you're riding a WAVE, there are gazillions of molecules in fluid dynamic turbulence, over a varying seafloor, and the chaos math of the wind plays into it, too. You have to "feel" the wave's ever-shifting form, its clash with the other waves, and FLEX to meet conditions.
You Can't Ride A Wave Using A Soviet-Style Five-Year Plan, John. [And all you other egghead types.]
thatisall
Posted by: Beverly at December 02, 2016 02:52 PM (L3AAT)
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The "mistake" here is assuming that everything Trump did was the proximate cause of his winning. Maybe it was. . .maybe it wasn't. But he was running against a highly flawed and dislike candidate during a cycle with a relatively disliked exiting two term President.
Any GOP candidate 'should' (or 'could') have won this. That Trump did so running a highly unorthodox campaign doesn't necessarily mean his campaign worked better than a good conventional/orthodox one would have.
We simply don't know, and there is no way to know that.
Posted by: looking closely at December 02, 2016 02:39 PM (ji45d)
He ran against a flawed Dem candidate who had the absolute backing of the MSM running full press for her. No standard Republican candidate would have survived. They would have wilted and been "binders full of women" like Romney. Add in that 3/4 of the GOPe was working against him and I would say he did quite a bit right.
None of the GOPe candidates would have come out for immigration restrictions or trade negotiations. They would have depressed the working class turnout.
Any GOP candidate 'should' (or 'could') have won this. That Trump did so running a highly unorthodox campaign doesn't necessarily mean his campaign worked better than a good conventional/orthodox one would have.
We simply don't know, and there is no way to know that.
Posted by: looking closely at December 02, 2016 02:39 PM (ji45d)
He ran against a flawed Dem candidate who had the absolute backing of the MSM running full press for her. No standard Republican candidate would have survived. They would have wilted and been "binders full of women" like Romney. Add in that 3/4 of the GOPe was working against him and I would say he did quite a bit right.
None of the GOPe candidates would have come out for immigration restrictions or trade negotiations. They would have depressed the working class turnout.
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I don't know if he's really on board with the Transgenders in the bathroom issue. At least not in the sense that they are really trying to push.
Posted by: buzzion
He sided against North Carolina when they created that law.
I agree though this is not something he's going to push like Democrats would, but being honest, I did think it was maybe the first social issue in a while Republicans could have beat Democrats over the head with and win. I was disappointed Trump sort of surrendered on it.
I knew a lot of women, particularly mothers, that were outraged at transgender bathroom nonsense.
Posted by: buzzion
He sided against North Carolina when they created that law.
I agree though this is not something he's going to push like Democrats would, but being honest, I did think it was maybe the first social issue in a while Republicans could have beat Democrats over the head with and win. I was disappointed Trump sort of surrendered on it.
I knew a lot of women, particularly mothers, that were outraged at transgender bathroom nonsense.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:52 PM (lO4Gp)
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Everybody gets Trump wrong because he is totally outside the box. We are used to the whole Left-Right tribalism, and that isn't how he thinks. The Left automatically rules him out as a candidate of the Right, but he isn't. And the Right is bound to be disappointed from time to time expecting him to be a candidate of the Right - he isn't.
He operates on an American/anti-American axis.
I mean, I really doubt that Dems are actually upset that Carrier has decided to keep some jobs here. The professional Dem class pretty much has to say they are upset because that is what they do. But a union worker in plant in the Rust Belt may not be so quick to condemn.
He operates on an American/anti-American axis.
I mean, I really doubt that Dems are actually upset that Carrier has decided to keep some jobs here. The professional Dem class pretty much has to say they are upset because that is what they do. But a union worker in plant in the Rust Belt may not be so quick to condemn.
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 02:52 PM (tewYv)
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@92 .....for the times, they are a-changin'
Good timing on the Nobel. A lot of the poetry Dylan wrote is actually being played out in front of us. In an ironic sort of way. I doubt he had Trump in mind when he penned it.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 02:40 PM (dFi94)
He blew off TFG's invite to the White House recently.
@92 .....for the times, they are a-changin'
Good timing on the Nobel. A lot of the poetry Dylan wrote is actually being played out in front of us. In an ironic sort of way. I doubt he had Trump in mind when he penned it.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 02:40 PM (dFi94)
He blew off TFG's invite to the White House recently.
Posted by: josephistan at December 02, 2016 02:52 PM (7HtZB)
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I think a lot of the Obama administration is actually stupid, with people like Harff and Rice and such in there. I think they are good zealots who say all the right things and have all the right connections, but are dumb as ant poo. The rest may be reasonably intelligent or even quite bright, but are fools, which is worse.
I'll take a wise idiot over a brilliant fool any day.
I'll take a wise idiot over a brilliant fool any day.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 02:53 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: West at December 02, 2016 02:53 PM (1Rgee)
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You'll be disappointed if you are an ideologue. He's not. He doesn't see many social issues in those terms.
Like, why elevate bathrooms as a gender rights issue? He sees it as an issue of propriety not rights.
Like, why elevate bathrooms as a gender rights issue? He sees it as an issue of propriety not rights.
Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers at December 02, 2016 02:53 PM (E1+X/)
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Barky wasn't "relatively disliked" though. he had 55% support as of November this year.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 02, 2016 02:54 PM (JEVs+)
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"Any GOP candidate 'should' (or 'could') have won this. That Trump did
so running a highly unorthodox campaign doesn't necessarily mean his
campaign worked better than a good conventional/orthodox one would have. "
No one else would have won this thing because they wouldn't have been willing to do the things that Trump needed to do to win.
Any other GOP candidate would have played it like Romney or McCain and lost big.
And don't think the Democrats weren't counting on that when they chose to run an old, unlikable bag lady with baggage....
so running a highly unorthodox campaign doesn't necessarily mean his
campaign worked better than a good conventional/orthodox one would have. "
No one else would have won this thing because they wouldn't have been willing to do the things that Trump needed to do to win.
Any other GOP candidate would have played it like Romney or McCain and lost big.
And don't think the Democrats weren't counting on that when they chose to run an old, unlikable bag lady with baggage....
Posted by: JoeF. at December 02, 2016 02:54 PM (SVmf8)
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with SecDef Mattis, Trump is already living up to and past my low expectations.
indeed, when you think about what Shrillery would be doing now, had she won, yo should all cheer the hell up and stop worrying so much,
Trump's worst is still a far cry from anything the FAB would do.
indeed, when you think about what Shrillery would be doing now, had she won, yo should all cheer the hell up and stop worrying so much,
Trump's worst is still a far cry from anything the FAB would do.
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 02, 2016 02:55 PM (7GCf5)
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Barky wasn't "relatively disliked" though. he had 55% support as of November this year.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 02, 2016 02:54 PM (JEVs+)
And we can be confident that is true because polls are always right and the media never lies about them!
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 02, 2016 02:54 PM (JEVs+)
And we can be confident that is true because polls are always right and the media never lies about them!
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 02:55 PM (tewYv)
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I want to know what a politician will do based on his campaign promises. Why is this "concern" wrong?
Posted by: lowtech redneck at December 02, 2016 02:52 PM (egK2C)
It's not! It is correct and appropriate.
I wrote somewhere else that I want Trump to honor his campaign promise to build a wall (and all that entails) and create a nation concealed carry policy.
Two things.
Everything else will be gravy.
[And then I hedged a bit. Yeah, I want more]
Posted by: lowtech redneck at December 02, 2016 02:52 PM (egK2C)
It's not! It is correct and appropriate.
I wrote somewhere else that I want Trump to honor his campaign promise to build a wall (and all that entails) and create a nation concealed carry policy.
Two things.
Everything else will be gravy.
[And then I hedged a bit. Yeah, I want more]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:55 PM (42Mgr)
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Scott Adams (Dilbert) had a great piece on this, yesterday: that Trump is a kickass CEO, taking the reins of this nation and making moves like a 4-D chessmaster. And that he's just had the most brilliant week as a new CEO ever. And that the Leftmedia don't even comprehend what they're watching; how bravura his performance is.
Trump is sorta seeing us as his shareholders: we all have a stake in our nation, and he wants to deliver maximum value, prosperity, results, and yes, lashings of wealth.
Merry Christmas, everybody!
Trump is sorta seeing us as his shareholders: we all have a stake in our nation, and he wants to deliver maximum value, prosperity, results, and yes, lashings of wealth.
Merry Christmas, everybody!
Posted by: Beverly at December 02, 2016 02:55 PM (L3AAT)
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>>246
I think a lot of the Obama administration is actually stupid, with
people like Harff and Rice and such in there. I think they are good
zealots who say all the right things and have all the right connections,
but are dumb as ant poo. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 02:53 PM (39g3+)
It's refreshing to see this said every time it is said. I was baffled by the "Obama's so wicked smart" line the first time I heard it--I never saw evidence of some piercing, unassailable intellect, and the people around him seemed just as uninteresting as he did (and does). His speeches were candyfloss, and the whole lot was insubstantial.
I think a lot of the Obama administration is actually stupid, with
people like Harff and Rice and such in there. I think they are good
zealots who say all the right things and have all the right connections,
but are dumb as ant poo. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 02:53 PM (39g3+)
It's refreshing to see this said every time it is said. I was baffled by the "Obama's so wicked smart" line the first time I heard it--I never saw evidence of some piercing, unassailable intellect, and the people around him seemed just as uninteresting as he did (and does). His speeches were candyfloss, and the whole lot was insubstantial.
Posted by: General Zod at December 02, 2016 02:55 PM (Bdeb0)
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The final two weeks of Trump's campaign, and even before that - were very very tight. No off the script remarks, no improvisation. He simply hammered certain points home.
This was always there for the taking - Hillary was an awful candidate and the issues were clearly on the side of Trump - all he had to do was stay on message and deliver.
He did in the final couple of weeks - before that, not so much.
I disagree though that he's improvising. He's got a plan, and he's executing it. Just because the inside beltways don't recognize it because it's not about buying off or selling off favors doesn't mean it's not a plan.
This was always there for the taking - Hillary was an awful candidate and the issues were clearly on the side of Trump - all he had to do was stay on message and deliver.
He did in the final couple of weeks - before that, not so much.
I disagree though that he's improvising. He's got a plan, and he's executing it. Just because the inside beltways don't recognize it because it's not about buying off or selling off favors doesn't mean it's not a plan.
Posted by: Reality Man at December 02, 2016 02:56 PM (Ch0fq)
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Getting those Reagan Democrats was quite a feat.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 02:51 PM (xeeHA)
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That's exactly who he got. People have been lamenting for eons that those Reagan Democrats were never coming back. And then they did.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 02:51 PM (xeeHA)
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That's exactly who he got. People have been lamenting for eons that those Reagan Democrats were never coming back. And then they did.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 02:56 PM (dFi94)
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You'll be disappointed if you are an ideologue. He's not. He doesn't see many social issues in those terms.
I agree, I don't think
Barky wasn't "relatively disliked" though. he had 55% support as of November this year.
I understand that's the only metric we have, but its pretty obvious that the "presidential approval" rating isn't "we like him" so much as "he's not annoying us right now." That is, it doesn't really measure approval at all, it measures how upset people are at the president. If they aren't: okay, he's fine.
And, given the demographics that pollsters and news organizations were using for the presidential polls, one wonders how accurate the "presidential approval rating" is, anyway.
I agree, I don't think
Barky wasn't "relatively disliked" though. he had 55% support as of November this year.
I understand that's the only metric we have, but its pretty obvious that the "presidential approval" rating isn't "we like him" so much as "he's not annoying us right now." That is, it doesn't really measure approval at all, it measures how upset people are at the president. If they aren't: okay, he's fine.
And, given the demographics that pollsters and news organizations were using for the presidential polls, one wonders how accurate the "presidential approval rating" is, anyway.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 02:56 PM (39g3+)
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#242
>>He ran against a flawed Dem candidate who had the absolute backing of
the MSM running full press for her.
IE, the same as every Dem candidate, every single cycle.
>>None of the GOPe candidates would have come out for immigration
restrictions or trade negotiations. They would have depressed the
working class turnout.
Probably Trumps smartest move, actually, and probably enough, by itself to make up for some of the stupider things he said/did. But any of the conventional GOP candidates "could" have done this.
With respect to Trump "not being a politician", my response is, "not yet". I think the office itself will pressure him to be more conventional in that respect. He'll never be the same as one of these 30+ year career politicians, but he'll
>>He ran against a flawed Dem candidate who had the absolute backing of
the MSM running full press for her.
IE, the same as every Dem candidate, every single cycle.
>>None of the GOPe candidates would have come out for immigration
restrictions or trade negotiations. They would have depressed the
working class turnout.
Probably Trumps smartest move, actually, and probably enough, by itself to make up for some of the stupider things he said/did. But any of the conventional GOP candidates "could" have done this.
With respect to Trump "not being a politician", my response is, "not yet". I think the office itself will pressure him to be more conventional in that respect. He'll never be the same as one of these 30+ year career politicians, but he'll
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I am THANKFUL President-Elect is not a politician! (in response to John P's bald-head statement of elitism).
Thankful each day, with big smile, that Trump/Pence are new leaders.
Thankful each day, with big smile, that Trump/Pence are new leaders.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at December 02, 2016 02:57 PM (Cx8BK)
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You'll be disappointed if you are an ideologue. He's not. He doesn't see many social issues in those terms.
Like, why elevate bathrooms as a gender rights issue? He sees it as an issue of propriety not rights.
Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers
His reasoning against the North Carolina law was because businesses were boycotting the state and it hurt jobs, which to me is giving in to a silly protest from left-wing business owners.
So the same people that actually do cause the "harm" get rewarded.
It's a "small ball" issue, I'd rather have Trump than a traditional social conservative, but I didn't like his reasoning.
Like, why elevate bathrooms as a gender rights issue? He sees it as an issue of propriety not rights.
Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers
His reasoning against the North Carolina law was because businesses were boycotting the state and it hurt jobs, which to me is giving in to a silly protest from left-wing business owners.
So the same people that actually do cause the "harm" get rewarded.
It's a "small ball" issue, I'd rather have Trump than a traditional social conservative, but I didn't like his reasoning.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 02:57 PM (lO4Gp)
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Merry Christmas, everybody!
Posted by: Beverly at December 02, 2016 02:55 PM (L3AAT)
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Nice to see you, Beverly - and Merry Christmas to you as well!
Posted by: Beverly at December 02, 2016 02:55 PM (L3AAT)
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Nice to see you, Beverly - and Merry Christmas to you as well!
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 02:57 PM (dFi94)
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>>No one else would have won this thing because they wouldn't have been willing to do the things that Trump needed to do to win.
Any other GOP candidate would have played it like Romney or McCain and lost big.
And don't think the Democrats weren't counting on that when they chose to run an old, unlikable bag lady with baggage....
Speculating on whether another candidate would have won this is as pointless as saying that Hillary actually won because she got more of the popular vote. We have no idea how the campaign would have played out with a different candidate so just assuming things would have played out in identical fashion and the issues would have been the same is pointless.
We do know Hillary was the second least popular candidate in modern times, Trump being the first. Would another candidate have done better? We will never know.
Any other GOP candidate would have played it like Romney or McCain and lost big.
And don't think the Democrats weren't counting on that when they chose to run an old, unlikable bag lady with baggage....
Speculating on whether another candidate would have won this is as pointless as saying that Hillary actually won because she got more of the popular vote. We have no idea how the campaign would have played out with a different candidate so just assuming things would have played out in identical fashion and the issues would have been the same is pointless.
We do know Hillary was the second least popular candidate in modern times, Trump being the first. Would another candidate have done better? We will never know.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 02:58 PM (/tuJf)
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But many of these people consider anything outside of their insular lives to be unworthy of thought.
I don't. I think that is a good definition of stupid.
[I think we mostly agree though]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:51 PM (42Mgr)
Yes we do. I'd also ad that many of them are too impressed with their college degrees from the 'right' schools.
I don't. I think that is a good definition of stupid.
[I think we mostly agree though]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 02:51 PM (42Mgr)
Yes we do. I'd also ad that many of them are too impressed with their college degrees from the 'right' schools.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 02, 2016 02:58 PM (SVmf8)
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A Virginia school district announced the banning of "To Kill A Mockingbird" and "Huckleberry Finn", in order to preserve the happiness of special snowflakes who don't want to even read racial slurs.
Posted by: Chickens Come Home To Roost File at December 02, 2016 02:39 PM (sCBEO)
The schools have been training the snowflakes to be their Red Guards for the Cultural Revolution in this country. The problem is they've also trained them to be complete p*ssies who can't handle certain words. The snowflakes only get their way when the teachers are there to make sure of it. Anything outside of their control like Trump's election sends them into a complete 4 year old like meltdown
Posted by: Chickens Come Home To Roost File at December 02, 2016 02:39 PM (sCBEO)
The schools have been training the snowflakes to be their Red Guards for the Cultural Revolution in this country. The problem is they've also trained them to be complete p*ssies who can't handle certain words. The snowflakes only get their way when the teachers are there to make sure of it. Anything outside of their control like Trump's election sends them into a complete 4 year old like meltdown
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 02, 2016 02:58 PM (493sH)
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This is exactly my point; I want to know what a politician will do based on his campaign promises. Why is this "concern" wrong?
Because shit changes. I'd rather have someone who is smart enough to recognize he needs to adapt and overcome than to stay the course and auger in.
And unless he brought you in, sat you down, looked you in the eyes and said, ltr, I swear by all that is holy, I'll do this no matter what, right or wrong,
I'm not going to hold him to it to the point I quit backing him.
Because shit changes. I'd rather have someone who is smart enough to recognize he needs to adapt and overcome than to stay the course and auger in.
And unless he brought you in, sat you down, looked you in the eyes and said, ltr, I swear by all that is holy, I'll do this no matter what, right or wrong,
I'm not going to hold him to it to the point I quit backing him.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 02:58 PM (SgI6S)
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You'll be disappointed if you are an ideologue. He's not. He doesn't see many social issues in those terms.
I agree, I don't think...
sorry got distracted
I don't think Donald Trump has any strong, core ethical principles or moral basis. I think he's a gut instinct guy, who goes "that's nasty and I like that" rather than "that's right and that's wrong." I do not believe he ever had any real formal or structured ethical upbringing in his life. He goes on common sense; this is just not right, I dunno why but i know it is not.
In that, he is like most people in America, so when confronted with homosexual marriage or tranny bathrooms, they go "no, just no" but cannot say why, and when shouted down are unable to formulate any sort of disagreement, so they just become quite or neutral to it in the face of raging confidence.
I agree, I don't think...
sorry got distracted
I don't think Donald Trump has any strong, core ethical principles or moral basis. I think he's a gut instinct guy, who goes "that's nasty and I like that" rather than "that's right and that's wrong." I do not believe he ever had any real formal or structured ethical upbringing in his life. He goes on common sense; this is just not right, I dunno why but i know it is not.
In that, he is like most people in America, so when confronted with homosexual marriage or tranny bathrooms, they go "no, just no" but cannot say why, and when shouted down are unable to formulate any sort of disagreement, so they just become quite or neutral to it in the face of raging confidence.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 02:59 PM (39g3+)
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107 But, I can't say that out loud cuz I live in Portland and I shall be tarred and feathered on the alter of liberalism.
Posted by: Only GOP girl in PDX at December 02, 2016 02:25 PM
I sympathize, I live right in the heart of downtown Seattle where Trump got a lower %of votes then he did in SanFran.
I got a coffee at a bakery in Portland called Garden of Eden once and now receive periodic 30page emails about the Dakota Pipe line.
Posted by: Only GOP girl in PDX at December 02, 2016 02:25 PM
I sympathize, I live right in the heart of downtown Seattle where Trump got a lower %of votes then he did in SanFran.
I got a coffee at a bakery in Portland called Garden of Eden once and now receive periodic 30page emails about the Dakota Pipe line.
Posted by: AdorableDeplorableChristi at December 02, 2016 02:59 PM (0WFtY)
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indeed, when you think about what Shrillery would be doing now, had she won,
Sure AF she had every cabinet appointment, SCOTUS pick, every donk functionary in their own space on her Madame President 2016-infinity spreadsheet that has been completed and just waiting in a desk drawer.
Instead she and Pedosta are hiding behind Jill Stein's skirts in an attempt to steal the election.
It's like when a little kid hides behind a tree and thinks no on one earth can see him, not even the people standing behind him.
Sure AF she had every cabinet appointment, SCOTUS pick, every donk functionary in their own space on her Madame President 2016-infinity spreadsheet that has been completed and just waiting in a desk drawer.
Instead she and Pedosta are hiding behind Jill Stein's skirts in an attempt to steal the election.
It's like when a little kid hides behind a tree and thinks no on one earth can see him, not even the people standing behind him.
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 03:00 PM (jkmtt)
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That's exactly who he got. People have been lamenting for eons that those Reagan Democrats were never coming back. And then they did.
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When I realized that was happening (around when PA started to look like a sure thing) I was just shocked. I thought, why if he can do that, he can do anything.
And this voting bloc is LOYAL in a transactional way. If you give them something tangible, they'll stick with you for at least a decade of being completely ignored, as the past 20 years have indicated.
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When I realized that was happening (around when PA started to look like a sure thing) I was just shocked. I thought, why if he can do that, he can do anything.
And this voting bloc is LOYAL in a transactional way. If you give them something tangible, they'll stick with you for at least a decade of being completely ignored, as the past 20 years have indicated.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 03:00 PM (xeeHA)
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Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 02:52 PM (tewYv)
That worker and his family are happy the plant is there; everyone who depends on that plant is happy it is there. That is a big circle of people who are his cheerleaders now and want him to win.
That worker and his family are happy the plant is there; everyone who depends on that plant is happy it is there. That is a big circle of people who are his cheerleaders now and want him to win.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 03:00 PM (hLRSq)
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Fordham and Penn must both be happy to displace the Harvard/Yale Club that has dominated the White House for the last few decades.
Posted by: undocumented illegal collegiate at December 02, 2016 03:00 PM (e8kgV)
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He blew off TFG's invite to the White House recently.
Posted by: josephistan at December 02, 2016 02:52 PM (7HtZB)
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Interesting. Garrett (I think) was talking about getting a set of Dylan albums the other day. I might have to look into that myself.
Posted by: josephistan at December 02, 2016 02:52 PM (7HtZB)
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Interesting. Garrett (I think) was talking about getting a set of Dylan albums the other day. I might have to look into that myself.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:01 PM (dFi94)
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According to MI AG, Stein's paperwork wasn't even properly notarized. She was supposed to file the paperwork in person, but did not.
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 02:48 PM (jkmtt)
Can't Hillary's people do anything right?
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 02:48 PM (jkmtt)
Can't Hillary's people do anything right?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 02, 2016 03:01 PM (493sH)
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"Yes, the generic R candidate would have beaten Hillary easily.
Now put an actual face on the R candidate and we'd get a different outcome.
MSM would have savaged any R candidate. Trump had exaggerated flaws but Mad Media Skillz. The key was to drive up Hillary's negatives.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 02:51 PM (SIY7D)"
I think you plug the same campaign Romney and McCain waged into this year and we lose. I don't like Rubio, and I would have really wrteched in the voting booth voting for him, but I had thought he and Trump could win until the NH debate. Rubio got taken down so easily it didn't even seem real.
Plug anyone else in I think they lose, Paul Ryan gets swapped out at the convention and it would have been an absolute bloodbath. Trump got voters the other guys wouldn't have.
Now put an actual face on the R candidate and we'd get a different outcome.
MSM would have savaged any R candidate. Trump had exaggerated flaws but Mad Media Skillz. The key was to drive up Hillary's negatives.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 02:51 PM (SIY7D)"
I think you plug the same campaign Romney and McCain waged into this year and we lose. I don't like Rubio, and I would have really wrteched in the voting booth voting for him, but I had thought he and Trump could win until the NH debate. Rubio got taken down so easily it didn't even seem real.
Plug anyone else in I think they lose, Paul Ryan gets swapped out at the convention and it would have been an absolute bloodbath. Trump got voters the other guys wouldn't have.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at December 02, 2016 03:01 PM (Uy8SG)
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Also - I keep reading nobody would have won this election, if that's true - enjoy Trump because apparently no republican will ever win again.
I'm sorry, I don't buy that. Hillary was awful and while the media may have tried to savage another republican, they did a pretty good number on Trump. You had an awful Democrat candidate following an 8 year democrat presidency that pretty much sucked. Kudos to Trump, but I think there was easily multiple pathways to winning. That being said, I think I'll enjoy Trumps path the most, because I think it's one of the two best possible outcomes we had. He's a game-changer when it's needed most if he follows through.
I'm sorry, I don't buy that. Hillary was awful and while the media may have tried to savage another republican, they did a pretty good number on Trump. You had an awful Democrat candidate following an 8 year democrat presidency that pretty much sucked. Kudos to Trump, but I think there was easily multiple pathways to winning. That being said, I think I'll enjoy Trumps path the most, because I think it's one of the two best possible outcomes we had. He's a game-changer when it's needed most if he follows through.
Posted by: Reality Man at December 02, 2016 03:01 PM (Ch0fq)
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We do know Hillary was the second least popular candidate in modern times, Trump being the first. Would another candidate have done better? We will never know.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 02:58 PM (/tuJf)
I'm not so sure about that. Many, many people hated Trump with the heat of 1,000 suns; it was intense hatred. But more liked him than liked Hillary.
And the coulda/shoulda game is easy--we all do it.
And I maintain no one else would have beaten her this year.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 02:58 PM (/tuJf)
I'm not so sure about that. Many, many people hated Trump with the heat of 1,000 suns; it was intense hatred. But more liked him than liked Hillary.
And the coulda/shoulda game is easy--we all do it.
And I maintain no one else would have beaten her this year.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 02, 2016 03:01 PM (SVmf8)
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Dennis Praeger was about the only Jewish conservative willing to back him.
Posted by: Maritime
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Just to be clear - Dennis Prager was rabidly anti-Trump in the primaries. He ran scathing shows tearing him to shreds from top to bottom. It wasn't just pro-Others, he went MittRom on him. To his benefit, he then jumped on board when there were no other options, but there's that.
Posted by: Maritime
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Just to be clear - Dennis Prager was rabidly anti-Trump in the primaries. He ran scathing shows tearing him to shreds from top to bottom. It wasn't just pro-Others, he went MittRom on him. To his benefit, he then jumped on board when there were no other options, but there's that.
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Oh, this again:
Paris siege: Gunman storms travel agents and takes seven people hostage
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 02, 2016 02:48 PM (1G5R
I first read that as German storms travel agents and figured the whole country would be surrendering to him
Paris siege: Gunman storms travel agents and takes seven people hostage
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 02, 2016 02:48 PM (1G5R
I first read that as German storms travel agents and figured the whole country would be surrendering to him
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 02, 2016 03:02 PM (493sH)
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Regarding the transgender bathroom laws and Trump. I recall Trump being puzzled over the North Carolina law issue and asking well what did they do before? The North Carolina law was designed to prohibit lawsuits against businesses that required males to use a Desisnated male bathroom . Because there were episodes of not transitioned males going into female restrooms and when told to leave subsequently suing the business for discrimination . This never happened before until Obama and the social justice warrior brigade . And the ever expanding 14th amendment and the federal government requiring all letters of the alphabet to be covered under anti-discrimination. Trump is correct there shouldn't be a need for such a law.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 02, 2016 03:03 PM (eF4+l)
Posted by: garrett at December 02, 2016 03:03 PM (PeNEi)
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The turn around in PA for Trump was aided by all the commercials for Democrats bashing the positions of Republicans on defunding Planned Parenthood. Pennsylvania has always be strongly anti-abortion (even though it has slipped a bit).
Posted by: undocumented illegal lawyer at December 02, 2016 03:03 PM (e8kgV)
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Well I didn't read all the comments but I'd like to point out 2 things:
Scott Adams:
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Scott Adams girlfriend:
https://www.instagram.com/kristinabasham/
Scott Adams:
http://tinyurl.com/zwj6ab7
Scott Adams girlfriend:
https://www.instagram.com/kristinabasham/
Posted by: Definitely not citizen khan at December 02, 2016 03:03 PM (Oo/gu)
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#214
But ask yourself - who among the candidates could have flipped
Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania? Because that is what had to
happen. Cruz? Kasich? I just don't buy the any old body could have
beaten Hillary Clinton thing.
One thing we can feel pretty confident about - the same old
candidates doing the same old things would have gotten the same old
results.
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That reminds me of an important episode in the 2008. GOP VP nominee Sarah Palin begging, pleading with the McCain people to let her campaign in MI. She thought Michigan was winnable. I think she was right. McCain didn't have a chance with MI voters, but Palin was the real deal.
McCain's hacks ignored her.
But ask yourself - who among the candidates could have flipped
Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania? Because that is what had to
happen. Cruz? Kasich? I just don't buy the any old body could have
beaten Hillary Clinton thing.
One thing we can feel pretty confident about - the same old
candidates doing the same old things would have gotten the same old
results.
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That reminds me of an important episode in the 2008. GOP VP nominee Sarah Palin begging, pleading with the McCain people to let her campaign in MI. She thought Michigan was winnable. I think she was right. McCain didn't have a chance with MI voters, but Palin was the real deal.
McCain's hacks ignored her.
Posted by: mrp at December 02, 2016 03:03 PM (JBggj)
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That is a big circle of people who are his cheerleaders now and want him to win.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 03:00 PM (hLRSq)
The gas stations around the plant, the fast-food restaurants, the convenience stores, the HVAC company that maintains the plant's stuff, the plowing company, the landscape company, the carboard distributor, the sheet metal supplier, the copper coil maker, the electrical supply houses, the fan motor makers......
The cocksucking media downplays 1,000 jobs, but it is a lot more than that.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 03:00 PM (hLRSq)
The gas stations around the plant, the fast-food restaurants, the convenience stores, the HVAC company that maintains the plant's stuff, the plowing company, the landscape company, the carboard distributor, the sheet metal supplier, the copper coil maker, the electrical supply houses, the fan motor makers......
The cocksucking media downplays 1,000 jobs, but it is a lot more than that.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 03:03 PM (42Mgr)
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They all went to the same schools, and go to the same parties and restaurants and bars, and -- probably -- use the same CHICKEN.
FIFY
FIFY
Posted by: Speller at December 02, 2016 03:03 PM (pSotA)
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236 "...except I don't think most of them are "stupid" in the low IQ sense. "
Oh, yeah? How's about the Hillary campaign IT staffer who told John Podesta that an obvious phishing email was 'legit"?
That guy might have been running the White House IT department come Sept 20 2017.
They are all self-selected and like-selecting idiots.
Oh, yeah? How's about the Hillary campaign IT staffer who told John Podesta that an obvious phishing email was 'legit"?
That guy might have been running the White House IT department come Sept 20 2017.
They are all self-selected and like-selecting idiots.
Posted by: West at December 02, 2016 03:04 PM (1Rgee)
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Paris siege: Gunman storms travel agents and takes seven people hostage
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 02, 2016 02:48 PM (1G5R
Ugh. We are going to be in Paris after Christmas for a week long vacation and I am beginning to wonder why we thought that was a good idea.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 02, 2016 02:48 PM (1G5R
Ugh. We are going to be in Paris after Christmas for a week long vacation and I am beginning to wonder why we thought that was a good idea.
Posted by: IC at December 02, 2016 03:04 PM (a0IVu)
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Merry Christmas, everybody!
Posted by: Beverly at December 02, 2016 02:55 PM (L3AAT)
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Nice to see you, Beverly - and Merry Christmas to you as well!
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 02:57 PM (dFi94)
Careful now, you may have just triggered some peace loving Muslims.
Posted by: Beverly at December 02, 2016 02:55 PM (L3AAT)
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Nice to see you, Beverly - and Merry Christmas to you as well!
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 02:57 PM (dFi94)
Careful now, you may have just triggered some peace loving Muslims.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 02, 2016 03:04 PM (493sH)
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#233
The point is that we know Trump won, and we're presumptively attributing his win to his unorthodox campaign, making the assumption that no other candidate could have beaten Hilary Clinton (a highly beatable candidate) in any other way.
I just don't think that's true. I'm glad Clinton lost, and I think Trump played his hand brilliantly. But I neither believe that Trump was the only GOP candidate who possibly could have beaten her, nor do I believe that he still couldn't have beaten her had he done some things differently, that's all.
The point is that we know Trump won, and we're presumptively attributing his win to his unorthodox campaign, making the assumption that no other candidate could have beaten Hilary Clinton (a highly beatable candidate) in any other way.
I just don't think that's true. I'm glad Clinton lost, and I think Trump played his hand brilliantly. But I neither believe that Trump was the only GOP candidate who possibly could have beaten her, nor do I believe that he still couldn't have beaten her had he done some things differently, that's all.
Posted by: looking closely at December 02, 2016 03:04 PM (ji45d)
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I doubt Reagan Democrats in the rust belt were saying "I really want to vote for transexual bathrooms, LGBT, BLM.... but Donald Trump is promising jobs".
I think those people were sick of liberalism to begin with - not saying Trump didn't really light it up with them because he most certainly connected with them in a way far larger than I think other candidates could have - but they were pretty ripe for the picking.
I think those people were sick of liberalism to begin with - not saying Trump didn't really light it up with them because he most certainly connected with them in a way far larger than I think other candidates could have - but they were pretty ripe for the picking.
Posted by: Reality Man at December 02, 2016 03:04 PM (Ch0fq)
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Trumps best attribute is that he is no politician.
To be sure, neither is Hillary Clinton.
Reading Allen Drury's A Senate Journal , his diary while he covered the Senate in 1943-1945, is the frequent description of powerful senators like Taft, Russell, Wagner and George as "shrewd". Not "brilliant". Podhoretz is the right-of-center version of "intelligent yet idiot".
To be sure, neither is Hillary Clinton.
Reading Allen Drury's A Senate Journal , his diary while he covered the Senate in 1943-1945, is the frequent description of powerful senators like Taft, Russell, Wagner and George as "shrewd". Not "brilliant". Podhoretz is the right-of-center version of "intelligent yet idiot".
Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at December 02, 2016 03:05 PM (xc7Rh)
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The people who've made their niche in the current landscape really, REALLY don't want that landscape to change.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 02, 2016 03:05 PM (cJDvr)
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"Improv" is a good word for it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 03:05 PM (tOcW/)
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Thanks garrett
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Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at December 02, 2016 02:41 PM (dQJCS)
According to MI AG, Stein's paperwork wasn't even properly
notarized. She was supposed to file the paperwork in person, but did
not.
Posted by: kallisto
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She's obviously not East German.
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at December 02, 2016 02:41 PM (dQJCS)
According to MI AG, Stein's paperwork wasn't even properly
notarized. She was supposed to file the paperwork in person, but did
not.
Posted by: kallisto
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She's obviously not East German.
Posted by: SFGoth at December 02, 2016 03:06 PM (dZ756)
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The gas stations around the plant, the fast-food restaurants, the convenience stores, the HVAC company that maintains the plant's stuff, the plowing company, the landscape company, the carboard distributor, the sheet metal supplier, the copper coil maker, the electrical supply houses, the fan motor makers......
The cocksucking media downplays 1,000 jobs, but it is a lot more than that.
That's what I've been saying. That supply chain runs wide and deep.
The cocksucking media downplays 1,000 jobs, but it is a lot more than that.
That's what I've been saying. That supply chain runs wide and deep.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 03:06 PM (SgI6S)
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"And I maintain no one else would have beaten her this year."
What I've said for a year. Mad Media Skilzz. No one else would have said "you should be in jail" during a debate.
In four or eight years, it should be different. A guy like Pence can win, if Trump has an effective run.
What I've said for a year. Mad Media Skilzz. No one else would have said "you should be in jail" during a debate.
In four or eight years, it should be different. A guy like Pence can win, if Trump has an effective run.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 03:06 PM (SIY7D)
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One could easily point out a half dozen congressman who can't be any smarter than a 6th grader.
Posted by: Skip at December 02, 2016 03:06 PM (5sOEp)
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Regarding the transgender bathroom laws and Trump. I recall Trump being puzzled over the North Carolina law issue and asking well what did they do before?
Trump is correct there shouldn't be a need for such a law.
Posted by: Jen the original
My understanding is the city of Charlotte (liberal) was in the process of passing a law/ordinance that basically opened up all sorts of lawsuits on this and the state of North Carolina preempted that with their own statewide law.
I'm not an expert on this, but I think a law simply shielding a business owner from discrimination lawsuits on this basis seems pretty commonsense to me.
Trump is correct there shouldn't be a need for such a law.
Posted by: Jen the original
My understanding is the city of Charlotte (liberal) was in the process of passing a law/ordinance that basically opened up all sorts of lawsuits on this and the state of North Carolina preempted that with their own statewide law.
I'm not an expert on this, but I think a law simply shielding a business owner from discrimination lawsuits on this basis seems pretty commonsense to me.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 03:07 PM (lO4Gp)
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A Virginia school district announced the banning of "To Kill A Mockingbird" and "Huckleberry Finn", in order to preserve the happiness of special snowflakes who don't want to even read racial slurs.
Posted by: Chickens Come Home To Roost File
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Geez.
This is right in my back yard.
Something tells me that this will not go over well on the Eastern Shore ...
Posted by: Chickens Come Home To Roost File
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Geez.
This is right in my back yard.
Something tells me that this will not go over well on the Eastern Shore ...
Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 02, 2016 03:07 PM (I7I0v)
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No problem.
They usually have the deepest discounts of any clearing house in the US.
I don't know any additional coupon codes that are active this week, though.
Barnes and Noble is offering 20% off, but their list prices are usually higher.
They usually have the deepest discounts of any clearing house in the US.
I don't know any additional coupon codes that are active this week, though.
Barnes and Noble is offering 20% off, but their list prices are usually higher.
Posted by: garrett at December 02, 2016 03:07 PM (PeNEi)
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Glad to see y'all have left me out of this.
Posted by: A Bag of Hammers at December 02, 2016 03:08 PM (kTF2Z)
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Has JPod considered that the immigration system (both legal and tacit) is geared to eliminate his 'right of center leanings' from the face of the Earth?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 02, 2016 03:08 PM (cJDvr)
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According to MI AG, Stein's paperwork wasn't even properly notarized.
She was supposed to file the paperwork in person, but did not.
Well everybody, that means I will need even more money to continue to fight for you! And, oh yeah, the CHILDREN! Fighting for the children! That's me! So keep that money coming in folks! Give til it hurts!
She was supposed to file the paperwork in person, but did not.
Well everybody, that means I will need even more money to continue to fight for you! And, oh yeah, the CHILDREN! Fighting for the children! That's me! So keep that money coming in folks! Give til it hurts!
Posted by: Dr. Jill Stein at December 02, 2016 03:08 PM (qJhUV)
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Might want to capitalize "President" when referring to "President of the United States of America".
Seeing Trump being elected as "president of the United States of America" gave my ongoing 24 day boner a momentary lack of rigidity.
Only momentary, but it could cause more of a reaction with others.
Seeing Trump being elected as "president of the United States of America" gave my ongoing 24 day boner a momentary lack of rigidity.
Only momentary, but it could cause more of a reaction with others.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at December 02, 2016 03:08 PM (1JnAL)
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Careful now, you may have just triggered some peace loving Muslims.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 02, 2016 03:04 PM (493sH)
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Well, I know a few, and some of them even come to Christmas dinner with us (family). Church too! So far, so good. But I might keep the angel decorations down to a minimum.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 02, 2016 03:04 PM (493sH)
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Well, I know a few, and some of them even come to Christmas dinner with us (family). Church too! So far, so good. But I might keep the angel decorations down to a minimum.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:08 PM (dFi94)
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OFF TOPIC
I should wait until tomorrow's pet thread, but tell me the short version of adopting a dog when you have a specific criterion (in this case, does not shed a lot because of allergies) - shelter vs breeder?
I should wait until tomorrow's pet thread, but tell me the short version of adopting a dog when you have a specific criterion (in this case, does not shed a lot because of allergies) - shelter vs breeder?
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 03:09 PM (Om16U)
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"Yes, the generic R candidate would have beaten Hillary easily.
The generic R candidate inspires nobody because he would never would have taken a baseball bat to Hillary and the media. He would have lost handily.
The generic R candidate inspires nobody because he would never would have taken a baseball bat to Hillary and the media. He would have lost handily.
Posted by: t-bird at December 02, 2016 03:09 PM (2z74n)
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lashings of wealth.
Merry Christmas, everybody!
Posted by: Beverly at December 02, 2016 02:55 PM (L3AAT)
Will there also be rum and sodomy? Asking for a friend.
Merry Christmas, everybody!
Posted by: Beverly at December 02, 2016 02:55 PM (L3AAT)
Will there also be rum and sodomy? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at December 02, 2016 03:09 PM (RD7QR)
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>>I'm not so sure about that. Many, many people hated Trump with the heat of 1,000 suns; it was intense hatred. But more liked him than liked Hillary.
And the coulda/shoulda game is easy--we all do it.
And I maintain no one else would have beaten her this year.
Not if you believe any of the opinion polls. Polls, yea, I know.
But the point is Hillary was a tremendously unpopular candidate. And I think she was locked into her identity politics campaign like every other liberal. And it is losing it's allure, particularly among white working class voters for obvious reasons.
It's just impossible to know what would have happened had a different candidate been plugged into the Trump slot. Obama remains personally very popular but his policies are polling in around herpes level.
A different candidate might have lost Wisconsin but won Colorado. Or lost Michigan but won Nevada. Trump did better with blacks and latinos than Romney but Obama wasn't on the ticket. Who knows, maybe a different candidate would have done even better than Trump with those demographics.
We'll never know and honestly I don't care right now. Trump won. And that makes me very happy.
And the coulda/shoulda game is easy--we all do it.
And I maintain no one else would have beaten her this year.
Not if you believe any of the opinion polls. Polls, yea, I know.
But the point is Hillary was a tremendously unpopular candidate. And I think she was locked into her identity politics campaign like every other liberal. And it is losing it's allure, particularly among white working class voters for obvious reasons.
It's just impossible to know what would have happened had a different candidate been plugged into the Trump slot. Obama remains personally very popular but his policies are polling in around herpes level.
A different candidate might have lost Wisconsin but won Colorado. Or lost Michigan but won Nevada. Trump did better with blacks and latinos than Romney but Obama wasn't on the ticket. Who knows, maybe a different candidate would have done even better than Trump with those demographics.
We'll never know and honestly I don't care right now. Trump won. And that makes me very happy.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 03:09 PM (/tuJf)
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That reminds me of an important episode in the 2008. GOP VP nominee Sarah Palin begging, pleading with the McCain people to let her campaign in MI. She thought Michigan was winnable. I think she was right. McCain didn't have a chance with MI voters, but Palin was the real deal.
McCain's hacks ignored her.
Posted by: mrp
I remember that very distinctly.
McCain just couldn't wait to concede to Obama.
Not a Palin fan, but at least she was willing to fight.
McCain's hacks ignored her.
Posted by: mrp
I remember that very distinctly.
McCain just couldn't wait to concede to Obama.
Not a Palin fan, but at least she was willing to fight.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 03:09 PM (lO4Gp)
Posted by: wooga at December 02, 2016 03:09 PM (PKZyN)
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Sorry Bag of Hammers I went for the 6th graders but hope you understand.
Posted by: Skip at December 02, 2016 03:10 PM (5sOEp)
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292 #233
The point is that we know Trump won, and we're presumptively attributing his win to his unorthodox campaign, making the assumption that no other candidate could have beaten Hilary Clinton (a highly beatable candidate) in any other way.
I just don't think that's true. I'm glad Clinton lost, and I think Trump played his hand brilliantly. But I neither believe that Trump was the only GOP candidate who possibly could have beaten her, nor do I believe that he still couldn't have beaten her had he done some things differently, that's all.
Posted by: looking closely at December 02, 2016 03:04 PM
Highly disagree. Who else would have won with Trumps map? He won in large part due to the upper Midwest voters who went for Obama twice and voters in rural areas came out in larger numbers then ever before.
This campaign would have been a referendum on social issues with any other GOP Candidate.
Trump worked super hard for every vote in a way which I have not seen any Candidate do in recent elections. Its wrong to take that from him due to your personal distaste.
The point is that we know Trump won, and we're presumptively attributing his win to his unorthodox campaign, making the assumption that no other candidate could have beaten Hilary Clinton (a highly beatable candidate) in any other way.
I just don't think that's true. I'm glad Clinton lost, and I think Trump played his hand brilliantly. But I neither believe that Trump was the only GOP candidate who possibly could have beaten her, nor do I believe that he still couldn't have beaten her had he done some things differently, that's all.
Posted by: looking closely at December 02, 2016 03:04 PM
Highly disagree. Who else would have won with Trumps map? He won in large part due to the upper Midwest voters who went for Obama twice and voters in rural areas came out in larger numbers then ever before.
This campaign would have been a referendum on social issues with any other GOP Candidate.
Trump worked super hard for every vote in a way which I have not seen any Candidate do in recent elections. Its wrong to take that from him due to your personal distaste.
Posted by: AdorableDeplorableChristi at December 02, 2016 03:10 PM (0WFtY)
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Who knows anything about sump pumps?
And/or why they die an early death?
If the one way valve isn't sealing you can wind up repumping the volume in the pipe between the pump and the highest point of the discharge line over and over again.
And/or why they die an early death?
If the one way valve isn't sealing you can wind up repumping the volume in the pipe between the pump and the highest point of the discharge line over and over again.
Posted by: DaveA at December 02, 2016 03:10 PM (8J/Te)
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Forgot, Grammie.
Sometimes, if you sign up / Register for an account BEFORE ordering they will send you a discount code.
Sometimes.
Sometimes, if you sign up / Register for an account BEFORE ordering they will send you a discount code.
Sometimes.
Posted by: garrett at December 02, 2016 03:10 PM (PeNEi)
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According to MI AG, Stein's paperwork wasn't even properly notarized. She was supposed to file the paperwork in person, but did not.
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 02:48 PM (jkmtt)
Cue the Downfall parody:
Mein Hillary..Stein...Stein didn't file the paperwork properly for the Michigan recount.
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 02:48 PM (jkmtt)
Cue the Downfall parody:
Mein Hillary..Stein...Stein didn't file the paperwork properly for the Michigan recount.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 02, 2016 03:10 PM (493sH)
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How dumb is a bag of hamsters?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 02, 2016 03:10 PM (cJDvr)
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how can there be a gunman in Paris when they have such strict gun control over there?
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 02, 2016 03:11 PM (7GCf5)
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>>I just don't think that's true. I'm glad Clinton
lost, and I think Trump played his hand brilliantly. But I neither
believe that Trump was the only GOP candidate who possibly could have
beaten her, nor do I believe that he still couldn't have beaten her had
he done some things differently, that's all. Posted by: looking closely at December 02, 2016 03:04 PM (ji45d)
Got it. I think the "unorthodox campaign" issue is interesting, but not compelling. He won because he cultivated votes in an ignored demographic that sought heat and light in a candidate, and Trump provided in spades. I don't mean to be flip by observing the obvious, but I think that fact is key to my assertion--only Trump had the indignation (feigned or real), the brass, the chutzpah to catalyze that. None of the other Republicans could've done it--in fairness, simply put, they were candyasses by comparison.
lost, and I think Trump played his hand brilliantly. But I neither
believe that Trump was the only GOP candidate who possibly could have
beaten her, nor do I believe that he still couldn't have beaten her had
he done some things differently, that's all. Posted by: looking closely at December 02, 2016 03:04 PM (ji45d)
Got it. I think the "unorthodox campaign" issue is interesting, but not compelling. He won because he cultivated votes in an ignored demographic that sought heat and light in a candidate, and Trump provided in spades. I don't mean to be flip by observing the obvious, but I think that fact is key to my assertion--only Trump had the indignation (feigned or real), the brass, the chutzpah to catalyze that. None of the other Republicans could've done it--in fairness, simply put, they were candyasses by comparison.
Posted by: General Zod at December 02, 2016 03:11 PM (Bdeb0)
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We must bring down Big Hammer Bag!!!
Posted by: eleven at December 02, 2016 03:11 PM (qUNWi)
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Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 03:12 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: eleven at December 02, 2016 03:12 PM (qUNWi)
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Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at December 02, 2016 03:08 PM (1JnAL)
Hmmm...it's a title, so I think you are correct, but I was aiming for the name of the position, which I am not sure needs to be capitalized.
So....I'll be back. Checking with an expert.
Hmmm...it's a title, so I think you are correct, but I was aiming for the name of the position, which I am not sure needs to be capitalized.
So....I'll be back. Checking with an expert.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 03:12 PM (42Mgr)
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Trump is not so much ideological but just practical. People like that (well, sane and normal people anyway). I certainly do.
Posted by: IC at December 02, 2016 03:13 PM (a0IVu)
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You capitalize a position with the name: President Bush, not just president. The rules are kind of tricky, though.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 03:13 PM (39g3+)
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in fairness, simply put, they were candyasses by comparison.
Posted by: General Zod at December 02, 2016 03:11 PM (Bdeb0)
I'm so hoping that a collateral effect of President Trump will be that the GOP types surrounding him will be re-testosterized, in a contact high sort of way.
Posted by: General Zod at December 02, 2016 03:11 PM (Bdeb0)
I'm so hoping that a collateral effect of President Trump will be that the GOP types surrounding him will be re-testosterized, in a contact high sort of way.
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 03:13 PM (jkmtt)
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I should wait until tomorrow's pet thread, but tell
me the short version of adopting a dog when you have a specific
criterion (in this case, does not shed a lot because of allergies) -
shelter vs breeder?
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 03:09 PM (Om16U)
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Your best bet for non-allergy is a purebred poodle, and purebreeds are usually scarce at shelters. You could look, but you might want to check into breeders. Also - be aware that lots of people dump their problem pets in the shelter around the holidays. Particularly dogs with negative behaviors like peeing on the floor or humping visitors. People are having family stay over and they don't want problem dogs around. So if you go to a shelter, be aware that you might get a dog with some negative traits.
me the short version of adopting a dog when you have a specific
criterion (in this case, does not shed a lot because of allergies) -
shelter vs breeder?
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 03:09 PM (Om16U)
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Your best bet for non-allergy is a purebred poodle, and purebreeds are usually scarce at shelters. You could look, but you might want to check into breeders. Also - be aware that lots of people dump their problem pets in the shelter around the holidays. Particularly dogs with negative behaviors like peeing on the floor or humping visitors. People are having family stay over and they don't want problem dogs around. So if you go to a shelter, be aware that you might get a dog with some negative traits.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:13 PM (dFi94)
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It's important to ban novels that depict actual racism, or else the students of today might figure out that being pulled over for speeding or being drug tested at work isn't actually racism.
Posted by: Sjg at December 02, 2016 03:13 PM (gDSJf)
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>> I was aiming for the name of the position, which I am not sure needs to be capitalized.
Depends on the position.
Depends on the position.
Posted by: Cowgirl at December 02, 2016 03:14 PM (PeNEi)
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"But we're missing one profound thing about Trump, and we keep missing it, and we will continue to miss it: Trump is not a politician."
And THAT Johnny Boy, is why Americans can hate all politicians (and you, their remoras) and still love Trump, isn't it, now?!
And THAT Johnny Boy, is why Americans can hate all politicians (and you, their remoras) and still love Trump, isn't it, now?!
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 02, 2016 03:14 PM (Gc4qi)
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Sometimes, if you sign up / Register for an account BEFORE ordering they will send you a discount code.
Sometimes.
Posted by: garrett at December 02, 2016 03:10 PM (PeNEi)
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Oh good! Thanks for the tip!
Sometimes.
Posted by: garrett at December 02, 2016 03:10 PM (PeNEi)
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Oh good! Thanks for the tip!
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:14 PM (dFi94)
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321
How dumb is a bag of hamsters?
Once went through airport inspection thingie behind a fellow trying to carry on a suit bag full of ball-peen hammers, which was a pretty dumb thing to do.
How dumb is a bag of hamsters?
Once went through airport inspection thingie behind a fellow trying to carry on a suit bag full of ball-peen hammers, which was a pretty dumb thing to do.
Posted by: Anachronda at December 02, 2016 03:15 PM (Oi5b2)
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"McCain's hacks ignored her."
With all the shithead commentators this cycle, Steve Schmidt actually stuck out. This ignorant cocksucker was adamant right up until the end that Trump would lose. He was played by Woody Harrelson in Game Change who -- amazingly considering it was Woody -- made Schmidt look smarter than he is.
Anyone who hired him in the past is a fool. He should never get a dollar out of politics again.
With all the shithead commentators this cycle, Steve Schmidt actually stuck out. This ignorant cocksucker was adamant right up until the end that Trump would lose. He was played by Woody Harrelson in Game Change who -- amazingly considering it was Woody -- made Schmidt look smarter than he is.
Anyone who hired him in the past is a fool. He should never get a dollar out of politics again.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 03:16 PM (SIY7D)
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Particularly dogs with negative behaviors like peeing on the floor or humping visitors.
I usually do that myself.
I usually do that myself.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 02, 2016 03:16 PM (cJDvr)
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Lets see...
Best selling author...
Hit TV series...
Made Billions in Real Estate...
Ran a Presidential campaign against all odds... and won... contrary to what politicians and pundits said...
Yeah... Trumps just a big dummy...
/facepalm
Best selling author...
Hit TV series...
Made Billions in Real Estate...
Ran a Presidential campaign against all odds... and won... contrary to what politicians and pundits said...
Yeah... Trumps just a big dummy...
/facepalm
Posted by: Don Q. at December 02, 2016 03:16 PM (qf6WZ)
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Instead she and Pedosta are hiding behind Jill Stein's skirts in an attempt to steal the election.
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 03:00 PM (jkmtt)
I think they all know its a charade (without Pennsylvania, its pointless even if they had a reasonable chance to get a different outcome in in Wisconsin or Michigan), they're just trying to appease and ingratiate themselves with the hardcore leftist.
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 03:00 PM (jkmtt)
I think they all know its a charade (without Pennsylvania, its pointless even if they had a reasonable chance to get a different outcome in in Wisconsin or Michigan), they're just trying to appease and ingratiate themselves with the hardcore leftist.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at December 02, 2016 03:16 PM (egK2C)
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"
The easiest way for him to be "popular" will be to basically do nothing
conservative and go to war with Republicans and side with Democrats"
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Oh so wrong!
The easiest way for him to be "popular" will be to basically do everything
conservative with Republicans that side with Democrats going to war
against Trump.
It won't be Trump initiating the war but I do think he will win it.
You one of those very concerned concern "true conservatives?" Think Ryan is really conservative? I think you need to get over to Hot Air or Red State with the "true conservatives."
The easiest way for him to be "popular" will be to basically do nothing
conservative and go to war with Republicans and side with Democrats"
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Oh so wrong!
The easiest way for him to be "popular" will be to basically do everything
conservative with Republicans that side with Democrats going to war
against Trump.
It won't be Trump initiating the war but I do think he will win it.
You one of those very concerned concern "true conservatives?" Think Ryan is really conservative? I think you need to get over to Hot Air or Red State with the "true conservatives."
Posted by: Jukin,The Deplorable & Profoundly Unserious at December 02, 2016 03:17 PM (cOHS7)
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Hmmm...it's a title, so I think you are correct, but I was aiming for the name of the position, which I am not sure needs to be capitalized.
So....I'll be back. Checking with an expert.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 03:12 PM (42Mgr)
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I'm no expert, but I think since it is a specific president to which you are referring, it is correct to say President of the United States. And Prime Minister of Great Britain, etc.
Trump ran for president. Trump ran for President of the United States.
So....I'll be back. Checking with an expert.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 03:12 PM (42Mgr)
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I'm no expert, but I think since it is a specific president to which you are referring, it is correct to say President of the United States. And Prime Minister of Great Britain, etc.
Trump ran for president. Trump ran for President of the United States.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 03:18 PM (Zokmo)
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If you want a dog that doesn't shed, we had a Bichon Bolognese. A European breed in between a Bichon Frise and a Maltese. Wonderful companion dogs.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 03:18 PM (SIY7D)
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344 If you want a dog that doesn't shed, we had a Bichon Bolognese. A European breed in between a Bichon Frise and a Maltese. Wonderful companion dogs.
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Sounds like a deli meat.
I keed I keed.
Is it big? I don't want a big dog. Just up to medium sized.
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Sounds like a deli meat.
I keed I keed.
Is it big? I don't want a big dog. Just up to medium sized.
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 03:19 PM (Om16U)
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I usually do that myself.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 02, 2016 03:16 PM (cJDvr)
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I'm looking up the Humane Society number even as we speak.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 02, 2016 03:16 PM (cJDvr)
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I'm looking up the Humane Society number even as we speak.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:20 PM (dFi94)
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It's important to ban novels that depict actual racism, or else the students of today might figure out that being pulled over for speeding or being drug tested at work isn't actually racism.
Exactly. They have to be shielded from real racism or they won't buy the hurt feelings version.
Exactly. They have to be shielded from real racism or they won't buy the hurt feelings version.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 03:20 PM (39g3+)
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Hey grammy, thanks. It's sad that pets get dumped during the holidays. I had heard summer is also a time when they get dumped because owners want to vacation.
#smh
#smh
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 03:20 PM (Om16U)
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With all the shithead commentators this cycle, Steve Schmidt actually stuck out. This ignorant cocksucker was adamant right up until the end that Trump would lose. He was played by Woody Harrelson in Game Change who -- amazingly considering it was Woody -- made Schmidt look smarter than he is.
Anyone who hired him in the past is a fool. He should never get a dollar out of politics again.
Posted by: Ignoramus
Also, I don't know if you got a chance to see Romney's strategist, Stuart Stevens, but he was on PBS for Election Night.
He was fit to be tied, he was so full of rage when they called it for Trump, just seething. He even went so far as to imply that minorities are big on misogyny that's why Hillary didn't do well with them.
I just went around on YouTube and wanted to see all the reactions from Election Night.
Anyone who hired him in the past is a fool. He should never get a dollar out of politics again.
Posted by: Ignoramus
Also, I don't know if you got a chance to see Romney's strategist, Stuart Stevens, but he was on PBS for Election Night.
He was fit to be tied, he was so full of rage when they called it for Trump, just seething. He even went so far as to imply that minorities are big on misogyny that's why Hillary didn't do well with them.
I just went around on YouTube and wanted to see all the reactions from Election Night.
Posted by: Maritime at December 02, 2016 03:20 PM (lO4Gp)
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Votermom - it isn't just shedding you have to look at. The main problem is dander, and poodles have less of it than other breeds. You're probably not allergic to the hair so much as the dander.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:21 PM (dFi94)
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310 OFF TOPIC
I should wait until tomorrow's pet thread, but tell me the short version of adopting a dog when you have a specific criterion (in this case, does not shed a lot because of allergies) - shelter vs breeder?
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 03:09 PM (Om16U)
Breeder.
Mostly because a shelter dog doesn't have a traceable background, which is important if you need a non-shedder.
I spent 2 months researching the GoldenDoodle breed for that exact reason (not me, 2 of my grandkids).
I ended up with an f1b GoldenDoodle, because a first generation will shed.
With any luck, Minnie will get "published" tomorrow.
I should wait until tomorrow's pet thread, but tell me the short version of adopting a dog when you have a specific criterion (in this case, does not shed a lot because of allergies) - shelter vs breeder?
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 03:09 PM (Om16U)
Breeder.
Mostly because a shelter dog doesn't have a traceable background, which is important if you need a non-shedder.
I spent 2 months researching the GoldenDoodle breed for that exact reason (not me, 2 of my grandkids).
I ended up with an f1b GoldenDoodle, because a first generation will shed.
With any luck, Minnie will get "published" tomorrow.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 02, 2016 03:21 PM (DofIg)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 03:22 PM (tOcW/)
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Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at December 02, 2016 03:08 PM (1JnAL)
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 03:18 PM (Zokmo)
FINE!
P
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 03:18 PM (Zokmo)
FINE!
P
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 03:22 PM (42Mgr)
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I never thought I'd see Wisconsin red again. And PA was just hysterically impossible.
Getting those Reagan Democrats was quite a feat.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 02:51 PM (xeeHA)
PA has been the football being held by Lucy for years. Trump finally kicked the fucker!
Getting those Reagan Democrats was quite a feat.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 02:51 PM (xeeHA)
PA has been the football being held by Lucy for years. Trump finally kicked the fucker!
Posted by: Tree rat at December 02, 2016 03:22 PM (27k1O)
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Instead of debates they should have a couple of political episodes of jeopardy. I think most politicians would do about as well as Wolf Blitzer did. If I put my pet dog on jeopardy it would end up with a score of zero. At least he knows what he doesn't know. Wolf ended up with a negative score which is a special kind of stupid....
Posted by: crookedrecords at December 02, 2016 03:23 PM (0Fwl/)
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"I don't want a big dog. Just up to medium sized."
12 pounds. There are American breeders, although thy're not AKC. Ours was was from WV.
Maltese is very similar. A bit smaller.
Not yippy. Quiet and friendly.
12 pounds. There are American breeders, although thy're not AKC. Ours was was from WV.
Maltese is very similar. A bit smaller.
Not yippy. Quiet and friendly.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 03:24 PM (SIY7D)
357
I'll have the Bichon Bolognese over fettuccine, with a nice Amarone.
Posted by: Preznit Dogeater at December 02, 2016 03:24 PM (8AHOT)
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You're probably not allergic to the hair so much as the dander.
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Yes, it's the dander. It's Kid the Elder that's allergic.
Google says schnauzers are also good.
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Yes, it's the dander. It's Kid the Elder that's allergic.
Google says schnauzers are also good.
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 03:24 PM (Om16U)
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Cognitive dissonance, I swear:
"To Kill A Mockingbird? What's it about?"
"It's a mid-century progressive indictment of postbellum Southern racism and injustice."
"Sounds valuable for our purposes. Why are we pulling it?"
"The author uses a term for black people that is historically accurate and useful as a reminder of the demeaning treatment of blacks in the South."
"So if we pull it, students won't be exposed to literature about southern racism?"
"Well, in so many words."
"Pull it."
"To Kill A Mockingbird? What's it about?"
"It's a mid-century progressive indictment of postbellum Southern racism and injustice."
"Sounds valuable for our purposes. Why are we pulling it?"
"The author uses a term for black people that is historically accurate and useful as a reminder of the demeaning treatment of blacks in the South."
"So if we pull it, students won't be exposed to literature about southern racism?"
"Well, in so many words."
"Pull it."
Posted by: General Zod at December 02, 2016 03:25 PM (Bdeb0)
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Here's the thing about thinking you are oh so smart and I say this from, well, daily experience.
You think you are oh so smart. You get smug and intellectually complacent. Intellectual humility? Pffff *whateverhands*
The Universe goes hahahahahaha I'm just going to lie here in wait until the single most embarrassing time and then prove you wrong. Every. Damn. Time.
You think you are oh so smart. You get smug and intellectually complacent. Intellectual humility? Pffff *whateverhands*
The Universe goes hahahahahaha I'm just going to lie here in wait until the single most embarrassing time and then prove you wrong. Every. Damn. Time.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at December 02, 2016 03:25 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 03:25 PM (hLRSq)
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Getting those Reagan Democrats was quite a feat.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 02:51 PM (xeeHA)
PA has been the football being held by Lucy for years. Trump finally kicked the fucker!
Posted by: Tree rat
I think he kicked Lucy.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 02:51 PM (xeeHA)
PA has been the football being held by Lucy for years. Trump finally kicked the fucker!
Posted by: Tree rat
I think he kicked Lucy.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 03:26 PM (SgI6S)
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GoldenDoodle.
I love these names. My husband used to amuse himself by making up designer breed dog names.
GoldenDoodle sounds like a yellow snack cake
I love these names. My husband used to amuse himself by making up designer breed dog names.
GoldenDoodle sounds like a yellow snack cake
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 03:26 PM (tOcW/)
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I ended up with an f1b GoldenDoodle, because a first generation will shed.
With any luck, Minnie will get "published" tomorrow.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 02, 2016 03:21 PM (DofIg)
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Ya, you really have to go two or three generations down to start getting the benefits of the poodle's non-allery traits, when it comes to mixing a poodle with another breed. Poodles are really wonderful dogs for people who could not otherwise live with a dog.
With any luck, Minnie will get "published" tomorrow.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 02, 2016 03:21 PM (DofIg)
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Ya, you really have to go two or three generations down to start getting the benefits of the poodle's non-allery traits, when it comes to mixing a poodle with another breed. Poodles are really wonderful dogs for people who could not otherwise live with a dog.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:27 PM (dFi94)
365
You think you are oh so smart. You get smug and intellectually complacent. Intellectual humility? Pffff *whateverhands*
The Universe goes hahahahahaha I'm just going to lie here in wait until the single most embarrassing time and then prove you wrong. Every. Damn. Time.
Posted by: alexthechick
And don't EVER beg for a freebie.
That when it gets broken off inside.
The Universe goes hahahahahaha I'm just going to lie here in wait until the single most embarrassing time and then prove you wrong. Every. Damn. Time.
Posted by: alexthechick
And don't EVER beg for a freebie.
That when it gets broken off inside.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 03:28 PM (SgI6S)
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PA has been the football being held by Lucy for years. Trump finally kicked the fucker!
Posted by: Tree rat at December 02, 2016 03:22 PM (27k1O)
He kicked Lucy in the mish?
Posted by: Tree rat at December 02, 2016 03:22 PM (27k1O)
He kicked Lucy in the mish?
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 03:28 PM (hLRSq)
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>I think he kicked Lucy.
Threadwinner
Threadwinner
Posted by: Sporkatus at December 02, 2016 03:28 PM (eXSOZ)
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Ok, so now, bearing in mind that I have never owned a pet in America (we had pets in the old country), where and how do I find good breeders?
jwb7605 -what does "get published" mean?
And GoldenDoodle - they get big, don't they?
I was looking up mixes and I thought whoodle (wheaten terrier/poodle) and schnoodle (shnauzer/poodle) seemed promising.
jwb7605 -what does "get published" mean?
And GoldenDoodle - they get big, don't they?
I was looking up mixes and I thought whoodle (wheaten terrier/poodle) and schnoodle (shnauzer/poodle) seemed promising.
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 03:28 PM (Om16U)
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GoldenDoodle sounds like a yellow snack cake
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
A poodle that eats candy bars is a Snickerdoodle.
GoldenDoodle sounds like a yellow snack cake
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
A poodle that eats candy bars is a Snickerdoodle.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 02, 2016 03:29 PM (IqV8l)
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I remember that very distinctly.
McCain just couldn't wait to concede to Obama.
Not a Palin fan, but at least she was willing to fight.
McCain and Romney were gentlemen losers, emphasis on LOSERS. Trump may rub you and me wrong, but I respect him because he fights back. He outworked Hillary, the DNC, the MSM, and the nevertrump establishment. He fought back, and refused to be cowed by the narrative.
I remember saying, Trump might lose, but he will never be beaten.
Trump has realized that he will have No Honeymoon, No 100 Days. He will have to fight and scrap for everything for the next two years. Trump is already fighting TODAY and not waiting for January 20.
Ford, Carrier, and the Trump Thank You Tour. Trump is already out there and outworking his opposition. He is acting Presidential, and doing Presidential acts today, seven weeks before the inauguration.
I remember that very distinctly.
McCain just couldn't wait to concede to Obama.
Not a Palin fan, but at least she was willing to fight.
McCain and Romney were gentlemen losers, emphasis on LOSERS. Trump may rub you and me wrong, but I respect him because he fights back. He outworked Hillary, the DNC, the MSM, and the nevertrump establishment. He fought back, and refused to be cowed by the narrative.
I remember saying, Trump might lose, but he will never be beaten.
Trump has realized that he will have No Honeymoon, No 100 Days. He will have to fight and scrap for everything for the next two years. Trump is already fighting TODAY and not waiting for January 20.
Ford, Carrier, and the Trump Thank You Tour. Trump is already out there and outworking his opposition. He is acting Presidential, and doing Presidential acts today, seven weeks before the inauguration.
Posted by: rd at December 02, 2016 03:29 PM (Rtl0g)
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GoldenDoodle sounds like a yellow snack cake
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 03:26 PM (tOcW/)
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I had an Irish Doodle once. Irish Setter and poodle. Loved that dog.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 03:26 PM (tOcW/)
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I had an Irish Doodle once. Irish Setter and poodle. Loved that dog.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:29 PM (dFi94)
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Couple things I reasoned Trump would win Pa was radio talk Union guys in Philadelphia said they and many they knew would vote Trump. (Trump I think had around 15% there) and up state coal mines have been really hard hit with the Leftists shutting them down.
Posted by: Skip at December 02, 2016 03:29 PM (5sOEp)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 03:30 PM (SgI6S)
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Grammie, are all poodles non-allergenic or just the standard poodle?
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 03:30 PM (Om16U)
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I had an Irish Doodle once. Irish Setter and poodle. Loved that dog.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:29 PM (dFi94)
You should try a French Tickler....
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:29 PM (dFi94)
You should try a French Tickler....
Posted by: Typical disgusting Moron at December 02, 2016 03:30 PM (42Mgr)
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 03:30 PM (hLRSq)
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And GoldenDoodle - they get big, don't they?
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They'll be roughly the size of a Golden Retriever, because you would be mating a Standard Poodle with a Golden. Because the miniature poodles, well, you know.
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They'll be roughly the size of a Golden Retriever, because you would be mating a Standard Poodle with a Golden. Because the miniature poodles, well, you know.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:31 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: DaveA at December 02, 2016 03:31 PM (8J/Te)
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PA has been the football being held by Lucy for years. Trump finally kicked the fucker!
Remember the NYTimes interview with CAC right before the election where he said Trump was the one candidate that could never flip PA? Good times.
Remember the NYTimes interview with CAC right before the election where he said Trump was the one candidate that could never flip PA? Good times.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 02, 2016 03:31 PM (3J/LN)
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Snickerdoodle - Mutley
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 03:30 PM (SgI6S)
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Awww Mutley!!!
Loved the wacky races!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 03:30 PM (SgI6S)
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Awww Mutley!!!
Loved the wacky races!
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 03:31 PM (Om16U)
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Posted by: Typical disgusting Moron at December 02, 2016 03:30 PM (42Mgr)
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Nice nic
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Nice nic
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:31 PM (dFi94)
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Not that the same people are not at the Pet thread but should bring it up there as well. There do seem to be new commenters at the specialty threads.
Posted by: Skip at December 02, 2016 03:32 PM (5sOEp)
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Posted by: DaveA at December 02, 2016 03:32 PM (8J/Te)
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Oh dear. Apparently Amy Schumer is in talks to star in live action "Barbie" movie.
Posted by: josephistan at December 02, 2016 03:32 PM (7HtZB)
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Grammie, are all poodles non-allergenic or just the standard poodle?
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 03:30 PM (Om16U)
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All of them. The only difference between them is their size.
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 03:30 PM (Om16U)
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All of them. The only difference between them is their size.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:33 PM (dFi94)
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Apparently Amy Schumer is in talks to star in live action "Barbie" movie.
As what? Barbie's nemesis Trigglypuff?
As what? Barbie's nemesis Trigglypuff?
Posted by: Ian S. at December 02, 2016 03:33 PM (3J/LN)
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363 GoldenDoodle.
I love these names. My husband used to amuse himself by making up designer breed dog names.
GoldenDoodle sounds like a yellow snack cake
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
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Ha!
I went through the entire weekend making up names.
I think it started with a post about a shih tsu mixed with a poodle?
A shittzpoo?
Where is Muldoon when I need him?!?!
I love these names. My husband used to amuse himself by making up designer breed dog names.
GoldenDoodle sounds like a yellow snack cake
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
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Ha!
I went through the entire weekend making up names.
I think it started with a post about a shih tsu mixed with a poodle?
A shittzpoo?
Where is Muldoon when I need him?!?!
Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 02, 2016 03:34 PM (I7I0v)
388
OT-So now there's some talk of a request for recount in Florida?!! Would these Democrats give it a freaking rest?!! (I know-rhetorical question)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 03:34 PM (tOcW/)
389
Couple things I reasoned Trump would win Pa was radio talk Union guys in Philadelphia said they and many they knew would vote Trump. (Trump I think had around 15% there) and up state coal mines have been really hard hit with the Leftists shutting them down.
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After the election result I was trying to muddle out how it had happened and as they identified the people that swung the election, I realized I had been discounting TONS of anecdotal evidence like that because I was assuming the polls were at least close to right.
The writing was all over the walls. Driving out into rural Wisconsin should have been a real eye-opener but I discounted it.
Trump clearly knew it because he spent SO much time in those places as the campaign wound down. He credits the RNC but that might just be... graciousness. Either way, I feel like a LOT of people discounted things they saw because of 'the narrative', etc.
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After the election result I was trying to muddle out how it had happened and as they identified the people that swung the election, I realized I had been discounting TONS of anecdotal evidence like that because I was assuming the polls were at least close to right.
The writing was all over the walls. Driving out into rural Wisconsin should have been a real eye-opener but I discounted it.
Trump clearly knew it because he spent SO much time in those places as the campaign wound down. He credits the RNC but that might just be... graciousness. Either way, I feel like a LOT of people discounted things they saw because of 'the narrative', etc.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 03:34 PM (xeeHA)
390
I'm guessing the Schumer "Barbie" film will either be animated or Barbie after eating 5000 donuts when her girl went to college and forgot about her. Bitter, fat, angry, surly, and sarcastic Barbie who hates Ken and burned down her house.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 03:34 PM (39g3+)
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Oh dear. Apparently Amy Schumer is in talks to star in live action "Barbie" movie.
Posted by: josephistan at December 02, 2016 03:32 PM (7HtZB)
*snort*
Let me guess, Seth Rogen is Ken?
Posted by: josephistan at December 02, 2016 03:32 PM (7HtZB)
*snort*
Let me guess, Seth Rogen is Ken?
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gloaty McGloatface at December 02, 2016 03:35 PM (RwwCT)
392
Apparently Amy Schumer is in talks to star in live action "Barbie" movie.
As what? Barbie's nemesis Trigglypuff?
Trailer Park Barbie
As what? Barbie's nemesis Trigglypuff?
Trailer Park Barbie
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 03:35 PM (SgI6S)
393
You think you are oh so smart. You get smug and intellectually complacent. Intellectual humility? Pffff *whateverhands*
The Universe goes hahahahahaha I'm just going to lie here in wait until the single most embarrassing time and then prove you wrong. Every. Damn. Time.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at December 02, 2016 03:25 PM (mf5HN)
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FINE!
P
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 03:22 PM (42Mgr)
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*runs away giggling*
The Universe goes hahahahahaha I'm just going to lie here in wait until the single most embarrassing time and then prove you wrong. Every. Damn. Time.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at December 02, 2016 03:25 PM (mf5HN)
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FINE!
P
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 03:22 PM (42Mgr)
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*runs away giggling*
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 03:35 PM (Zokmo)
394
So now there's some talk of a request for recount in
Florida?!! Would these Democrats give it a freaking rest?!! (I
know-rhetorical question)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 03:34 PM (tOcW/)
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What was the vote spread in Florida? I swear they are just doing this as a stalling tactic so the votes can't be certified in time for the Electoral College. This is insane, and bordering on lawlessness.
Florida?!! Would these Democrats give it a freaking rest?!! (I
know-rhetorical question)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 03:34 PM (tOcW/)
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What was the vote spread in Florida? I swear they are just doing this as a stalling tactic so the votes can't be certified in time for the Electoral College. This is insane, and bordering on lawlessness.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:36 PM (dFi94)
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The thing is being a billionaire doesn't mean everything, but it does mean something. I mean, Mark Cuban is a billionaire, so what does that say?
The Dems convinced themselves that Trump was bankrupt, and that everything he touched was bankrupt. That certainly isn't true. But they thought it was.
The Dems convinced themselves that Trump was bankrupt, and that everything he touched was bankrupt. That certainly isn't true. But they thought it was.
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 03:36 PM (tewYv)
396
So, I was in the hospital. and I had a TV that actually worked, so I tuned into Fox news which had on Megan McCain. I guess he's a regular? She's quite a firebrand on the choice of Mattis (very pro Mattis) and she made quite a few intelligent comments. She seems to like Trump.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 03:36 PM (tOcW/)
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I realized I had been discounting TONS of anecdotal evidence like that because I was assuming the polls were at least close to right.
The writing was all over the walls. Driving out into rural Wisconsin should have been a real eye-opener but I discounted it.
Does Conventional Wisdom still say rally size doesn't matter?
The writing was all over the walls. Driving out into rural Wisconsin should have been a real eye-opener but I discounted it.
Does Conventional Wisdom still say rally size doesn't matter?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 03:36 PM (SgI6S)
398
388 OT-So now there's some talk of a request for recount in Florida?!! Would these Democrats give it a freaking rest?!! (I know-rhetorical question)
Is there such a thing as a deadline anywhere?
Is there such a thing as a deadline anywhere?
Posted by: deplorable donna at December 02, 2016 03:36 PM (O2RFr)
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"The gas stations around the plant, the fast-food restaurants, the
convenience stores, the HVAC company that maintains the plant's stuff,
the plowing company, the landscape company, the carboard distributor,
the sheet metal supplier, the copper coil maker, the electrical supply
houses, the fan motor makers......
The cocksucking media downplays 1,000 jobs, but it is a lot more than that.
"
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This analysis does not include the supplier chain or service chain jobs.
Oh there is more and like Ace pointed out it is a double win.
Now instead of 1000 people collecting UE for 6 months at my estimate of $7.5 million, add in EBT, and all the other FREEEEEEEEEEEEE shit from government and lets just say $10 million cost for first 6 months.
PLUS, those employees keep paying federal, state, FICA taxes of $5 million (my est)in First 6 months.
Again, the $7 million in tax breaks costs nothing until they are used. That means no present cost, only future cost. IOW the $7 million could be $2 million if UT leaves.
So in just the first 6 months Trump's deal for saving 1000 jobs gives the government $17 million at ZERO cost.
Cherry on top: Carrier to spend $16million in upgrades for plant. MORE money for tax and possibly getting people out of unemployment and adding jobs in supplier chains and services.
That is a great deal and to all the "true conservatives" that do not understand that, I can't help.
convenience stores, the HVAC company that maintains the plant's stuff,
the plowing company, the landscape company, the carboard distributor,
the sheet metal supplier, the copper coil maker, the electrical supply
houses, the fan motor makers......
The cocksucking media downplays 1,000 jobs, but it is a lot more than that.
"
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This analysis does not include the supplier chain or service chain jobs.
Oh there is more and like Ace pointed out it is a double win.
Now instead of 1000 people collecting UE for 6 months at my estimate of $7.5 million, add in EBT, and all the other FREEEEEEEEEEEEE shit from government and lets just say $10 million cost for first 6 months.
PLUS, those employees keep paying federal, state, FICA taxes of $5 million (my est)in First 6 months.
Again, the $7 million in tax breaks costs nothing until they are used. That means no present cost, only future cost. IOW the $7 million could be $2 million if UT leaves.
So in just the first 6 months Trump's deal for saving 1000 jobs gives the government $17 million at ZERO cost.
Cherry on top: Carrier to spend $16million in upgrades for plant. MORE money for tax and possibly getting people out of unemployment and adding jobs in supplier chains and services.
That is a great deal and to all the "true conservatives" that do not understand that, I can't help.
Posted by: Jukin,The Deplorable & Profoundly Unserious at December 02, 2016 03:37 PM (cOHS7)
400
318 Who knows anything about sump pumps?
And/or why they die an early death?
If the one way valve isn't sealing you can wind up repumping the volume in the pipe between the pump and the highest point of the discharge line over and over again.
Posted by: DaveA at December 02, 2016 03:10 PM (8J/Te)
Either running continuously or running dry kills 'em.
One way valves and/or actuating mechanism (The float ball connected to a switch), usually.
If they are running at low voltage, such as if they are hooked up via a 100' extension cord will kill the motor too.
Best of luck.
And/or why they die an early death?
If the one way valve isn't sealing you can wind up repumping the volume in the pipe between the pump and the highest point of the discharge line over and over again.
Posted by: DaveA at December 02, 2016 03:10 PM (8J/Te)
Either running continuously or running dry kills 'em.
One way valves and/or actuating mechanism (The float ball connected to a switch), usually.
If they are running at low voltage, such as if they are hooked up via a 100' extension cord will kill the motor too.
Best of luck.
Posted by: West at December 02, 2016 03:37 PM (1Rgee)
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Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:36 PM (dFi94)
I don't know what the vote spread is and I agree about the tactics. It's terrible.
I don't know what the vote spread is and I agree about the tactics. It's terrible.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 03:37 PM (tOcW/)
402
This is insane, and bordering on lawlessness.
They're just desperate for reality to match the vision in their heads. You have three choices when you run into a wall. Do it again, go around it, or sit and pretend there's no wall and you always meant to stop here anyway.
They're just desperate for reality to match the vision in their heads. You have three choices when you run into a wall. Do it again, go around it, or sit and pretend there's no wall and you always meant to stop here anyway.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 03:38 PM (39g3+)
403
Questions about who could or couldn't have beaten Hillary, the weakest candidate the Dems are likely to field for years, are pure speculation.
(I personally find the argument that ONLY Trump could have won to be ludicrous.)
What we CAN say with absolute certainty is that no other GOP candidate's win would have made the Left cry so hard. No one else could have caused them THIS much excruciating pain.
It's a beautiful thing.
(I personally find the argument that ONLY Trump could have won to be ludicrous.)
What we CAN say with absolute certainty is that no other GOP candidate's win would have made the Left cry so hard. No one else could have caused them THIS much excruciating pain.
It's a beautiful thing.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 02, 2016 03:38 PM (Nox3c)
404
So I just read about the dems and greenies stalling the WI recount so that WI will have to forfeit its vote in the Electoral College.
Talk about depriving people of their votes, sheesh.
So I just read about the dems and greenies stalling the WI recount so that WI will have to forfeit its vote in the Electoral College.
Talk about depriving people of their votes, sheesh.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 02, 2016 03:38 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 03:39 PM (tOcW/)
406
What was the vote spread in Florida? I swear they are just doing this as a stalling tactic so the votes can't be certified in time for the Electoral College. This is insane, and bordering on lawlessness.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:36 PM (dFi94)
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I agree. If they really truly thought there were shenanigans, why wait for over 3 weeks to ask for a recount? I hope they get slapped down.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:36 PM (dFi94)
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I agree. If they really truly thought there were shenanigans, why wait for over 3 weeks to ask for a recount? I hope they get slapped down.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 03:39 PM (Zokmo)
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Trailer Park Barbie"
*goes off to find the Nissan commercial with GI Joe and Barbie ditching Ken*
*goes off to find the Nissan commercial with GI Joe and Barbie ditching Ken*
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at December 02, 2016 03:39 PM (C9pBZ)
408
nnood
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 02, 2016 03:39 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:40 PM (dFi94)
410
I knew Trump would win all of PA except Philly & Pitt, but I was afraid that Philly would manufacture enough fake votes to steal it.
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 02, 2016 03:40 PM (Om16U)
411
Klaus Von Barbie???
Posted by: andycanuck at December 02, 2016 03:40 PM (JF8tR)
412
Is there such a thing as a deadline anywhere?
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You'd think the system would be set up in such a way as to avoid horseshit sour grapes stuff like this.
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You'd think the system would be set up in such a way as to avoid horseshit sour grapes stuff like this.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 03:40 PM (xeeHA)
413
Nood Castro
Posted by: Typical disgusting Moron at December 02, 2016 03:41 PM (42Mgr)
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Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:40 PM (dFi94)
Well, I*'m still alive which would probably disappoint some people. It was a 24 stay. I thought I was having a heart attack. I wasn't but my blood pressure was too high. They gave me medication to bring it down and also gave me nitrogykcerine. Still have to see the handsome cardiologist next week so it's not all bed. :^) But the money this will cost us-We have insurance for a while but we still have to pay a lot I would have preferred to spend on a nice vacation.
I am glad I am feeling better (No great)because I need to help with a mission project making no sew blankets for little child in the hospital tomorrow and then have two services on Sunday.
Well, I*'m still alive which would probably disappoint some people. It was a 24 stay. I thought I was having a heart attack. I wasn't but my blood pressure was too high. They gave me medication to bring it down and also gave me nitrogykcerine. Still have to see the handsome cardiologist next week so it's not all bed. :^) But the money this will cost us-We have insurance for a while but we still have to pay a lot I would have preferred to spend on a nice vacation.
I am glad I am feeling better (No great)because I need to help with a mission project making no sew blankets for little child in the hospital tomorrow and then have two services on Sunday.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 03:45 PM (tOcW/)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 03:46 PM (tOcW/)
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"Trump is not a politician."
You know who ELSE is not a politician? 99.5% of the American electorate.
Now that we don't have to rely on the Fake News Channels and Democrat Party Members with Bylines (redundancy alert!) we can pick someone out who hasn't been chosen for us by our self-described betters.
Politicians have driven us to the state we are in, let's let someone drive who actually knows how to run heavy equipment.
You know who ELSE is not a politician? 99.5% of the American electorate.
Now that we don't have to rely on the Fake News Channels and Democrat Party Members with Bylines (redundancy alert!) we can pick someone out who hasn't been chosen for us by our self-described betters.
Politicians have driven us to the state we are in, let's let someone drive who actually knows how to run heavy equipment.
Posted by: Lily(Formerly of Hot Air) now of AoSHQ at December 02, 2016 03:47 PM (vivhj)
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Fenelon - wow ! I kind of wondered why I hadn't seen you for a couple of days but I figured you were busy at church. Wow! I am so sorry your health is not good and that it is impacting your finances. PLEASE do not over-do it! Christmas can get so busy at church. PLEASE say no when you have to rest!
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:47 PM (dFi94)
418
My goodness, Fenelon, I'm sorry to hear you are not feeling well. I will keep you in my prayers. Please take it easy - I know this time of year is probably very busy for you but you must think of your health and ask for help if you need it. Maybe you could get someone to take your Sunday services for you?
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 03:48 PM (Zokmo)
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158 Speaking of Portland, I would watch Portlandia on IFC every once in a while and thought it was hilarious how it skewered the hipsters and wondered if they got that they were being skewered.
So then I started binge watching it on Netflix and like many Lorne Michaels joints, the quality is...uneven.
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 02:34 PM (tewYv)
Some feminists types actually started complaining this year about the female bookstore bit which is one of the best skits on the show.
Reminds me of the old bromide:
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
So then I started binge watching it on Netflix and like many Lorne Michaels joints, the quality is...uneven.
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 02:34 PM (tewYv)
Some feminists types actually started complaining this year about the female bookstore bit which is one of the best skits on the show.
Reminds me of the old bromide:
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at December 02, 2016 03:48 PM (B11vO)
420
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:47 PM (dFi94)
Thank you, dear. (See; Once again I typed it correctly!)
Thank you, dear. (See; Once again I typed it correctly!)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 03:49 PM (tOcW/)
421
After eight years of Obama and his gang of misfits and oddballs, there could be no greater irony then Donald Trump for the win. It is the trifecta of all political slapdowns...The Obama legacy, the Clinton political burial, and Bernie and the brats down in a smoldering heap. I guess a side bonus would be watching Jill Stein parade around as the total bought and paid for hack that she really is...'winning', it never gets old!
Posted by: Thurston Howell Trump at December 02, 2016 03:49 PM (2vljx)
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I am glad I am feeling better (No great)because I
need to help with a mission project making no sew blankets for little
child in the hospital tomorrow and then have two services on Sunday.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 03:45 PM (tOcW/)
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I do not like the sound of that two services thing. I do not like that at all. Probably hard to get a sub at this point. Would your congregation understand just going with one service? Congregations can be such poops.
need to help with a mission project making no sew blankets for little
child in the hospital tomorrow and then have two services on Sunday.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 03:45 PM (tOcW/)
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I do not like the sound of that two services thing. I do not like that at all. Probably hard to get a sub at this point. Would your congregation understand just going with one service? Congregations can be such poops.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:50 PM (dFi94)
423
Fen - Two Christmases ago Rev had to do two Christmas Eve services and one Christmas morning. He was so sick with flu he wound up in the hospital right after. If I had been there I would have told the congregation to have a DIY Christmas service.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 03:52 PM (dFi94)
424
Oh dear. Apparently Amy Schumer is in talks to star in live action "Barbie" movie.
Posted by: josephistan at December 02, 2016 03:32 PM (7HtZB)
Bad casting. Barbie does not smell like tuna and failure.
Posted by: josephistan at December 02, 2016 03:32 PM (7HtZB)
Bad casting. Barbie does not smell like tuna and failure.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 02, 2016 03:52 PM (4df7R)
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So I went to the imdb site to see who would be in the Barbie movie and some of the reader "suggestions" for who should play Kan and Barbie were great.
Tilda Swinton and Steve Buscemi
Tom Hardy and Tom Hardy
Eddie Redmayne and Jared Leto
Tilda Swinton and Steve Buscemi
Tom Hardy and Tom Hardy
Eddie Redmayne and Jared Leto
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 02, 2016 03:55 PM (EnKk6)
426
There was a time when most of the notable people in this country were Christian. The religion encouraged self examination and humbleness. (Someone had to remind Ben Franklin to add that to his list of virtues but he did.) Since our elites now think of themselves as the center of the universe, they don't know how to evaluate their failures. They repeat the same errors.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 02, 2016 03:58 PM (cJDvr)
427
The last things tgat Jews here need is another Londonistan.
Posted by: TexasJew at December 02, 2016 04:19 PM (YXGbW)
428
Couldn't Ben Rhodes have told Obama how to fix the economy? He ws a bus driver! Obama's iescapable problem was that second rate talents ALWAYS surround themselves with third rate talents they can bullshit.
Posted by: richard mcenroeo at December 02, 2016 04:19 PM (rxtQa)
429
I loved reading WikiLeaks Podesta emails until they stopped. They did enough damage to Mrs. Clinton & her assumed win.
Posted by: Carol at December 02, 2016 04:19 PM (sj3Ax)
430
These schmucks love to tell me that "smart guys" win. Well what happened in November?
Posted by: Skeptical Voter at December 02, 2016 05:13 PM (Sda6L)
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430 These schmucks love to tell me that "smart guys" win. Well what happened in November?
Posted by: Skeptical Voter at December 02, 2016 05:13 PM (Sda6L)
You mean when the graduate of Fordham and Wharton School of Business won the election?
Posted by: Skeptical Voter at December 02, 2016 05:13 PM (Sda6L)
You mean when the graduate of Fordham and Wharton School of Business won the election?
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at December 02, 2016 06:12 PM (1JnAL)
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"The great waves of immigration that brought Germans and Irish and Italians and Jews to America occurred during a slightly different time. That he can justify an open-borders policy in light of our current economic difficulties suggests to me that he isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is. "
The great wave of immigration was not open border, unfettered immigration. You had to either have enough money to live for a year, or a job already in hand and you had to learn English within a year. Spend sometime at Ellis Island or some other big ports of entry - it was a controlled entry.
The great wave of immigration was not open border, unfettered immigration. You had to either have enough money to live for a year, or a job already in hand and you had to learn English within a year. Spend sometime at Ellis Island or some other big ports of entry - it was a controlled entry.
Posted by: GlobalTrvlr at December 02, 2016 06:52 PM (cTQjM)
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Wow, Trump is not a politician! !!!!
So if this works, we might get more non-politicians running for office, which could be a good thing.
Mike Rowe for Department of Labor!!!!
R. Lee Ermey for Department of Defense!
Gary Sinise for Veterans Affairs!
Kim Kardashian for Department of Large Artificial Asses! (Or Chris Christie)
So if this works, we might get more non-politicians running for office, which could be a good thing.
Mike Rowe for Department of Labor!!!!
R. Lee Ermey for Department of Defense!
Gary Sinise for Veterans Affairs!
Kim Kardashian for Department of Large Artificial Asses! (Or Chris Christie)
Posted by: Kachunka kachunka at December 02, 2016 08:03 PM (0cUlH)
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American Jews identify with Muslims. For some reason they think they will magically transform once in the USA. That's why they buy into the Trump is Hitler crap
Posted by: Regular joe at December 03, 2016 08:58 AM (ROIz5)
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