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Dictatorships And Double Standards
Fidel Castro, the fiery apostle of revolution who brought the Cold War to the Western Hemisphere in 1959 and then defied the United States for nearly half a century as Cuba’s maximum leader, bedeviling 11 American presidents and briefly pushing the world to the brink of nuclear war, died on Friday. He was 90
So, apparently the gross suffering and human rights violations Castro inflicted on the Cuban people for decades counts for nothing. Not that this knob-polishing is anything new. They've been doing it for years. So this is just more of the same. Fortunately, Donald Trump, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and a few other voices dissented from the nauseating stream of knob-polishing that has been filling the MSM for the past few days since Castro's death.
The point is, in the wake of Trump's election, a number of pundits have noticed a "disconnect" between the elites and the working classes. I hope they're noticing this, because I don't think anybody could have invented a better example. Not that the NY Times is blind to human rights violations. Here is their obituary for another Latin American dictator:Gen. Augusto Pinochet Ugarte, the brutal dictator who repressed and reshaped Chile for nearly two decades and became a notorious symbol of human rights abuse and corruption, died yesterday at the Military Hospital of Santiago. He was 91.Pinochet's crimes were an order of magnitude less than Castro's, yet the Times uses the adjective "brutal" to describe him (as opposed to the "fiery" Fidel) and the rest of the obituary holds up every last wart and pimple of Pinochet's regime under a magnifying glass so everyone can see how ugly it was -- amplifying his failures and minimalizing his successes -- while furiously airbrushing the murderous despotism of Fidel Castro. So, why the difference? Why does the NY Times ("The Newspaper of Record") do this? Well, probably because Pinochet gave the bum's rush to Chile's previous ruler, Salvador Allende, a two-bit commie who was trying to bring to his own country the same poverty and economic ruin as was produced by Castro's totalitarian thug regime in Cuba. But, this gets a pass because the Times implements a strict application of the "no enemies on the left" rule that is taught in j-school. So the rat bastard commies Allende and Castro are defended and romanticized while Pinochet, a staunch anti-communist, is condemned wholeheartedly. This brings to mind the classic essay Dictatorships and Double Standards, by Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, first published in Commentary Magazine in 1979. It is a masterful analysis of the feckless, incompetent foreign policy of the Carter administration and why it was such a craptacular failure. In this essay, she notes the difference between "authoritarian" and "totalitarian" regimes:
Traditional autocrats leave in place existing allocations of wealth, power, status, and other resources which in most traditional societies favor an affluent few and maintain masses in poverty. But they worship traditional gods and observe traditional taboos. They do not disturb the habitual rhythms of work and leisure, habitual places of residence, habitual patterns of family and personal relations. Because the miseries of traditional life are familiar, they are bearable to ordinary people who, growing up in the society, learn to cope, as children born to untouchables in India acquire the skills and attitudes necessary for survival in the miserable roles they are destined to fill. Such societies create no refugees.Emphasis mine. Anastasio Somoza was a son of a bitch. Fulgencio Batista was also a son of a bitch. So was the Shah of Iran. Heck, Czar Nicholas II was, too. But is there any sane person who argues that tossing these SOBs out resulted in a better life for the people of their respective countries? For all of his whining and hand-wringing about "human rights", everything that Jimmy Carter did abroad resulted in corrupt, yet manageable authoritian regimes being replaced by fiercely anti-American totalitarian regimes that were ten times worse. However, the NY Times, still basking in the glory of the Pulitzer Prize won by Walter Duranty, was pretty much a Fidel cheerleader for decades, so much so that an early issue of the Natioal Review published a parody ad with the NY Times advertising slogan "I Got My Job Through The New York Times" underneath a cartoon of Castro sitting on the island of Cuba and waving a gun. And you know that if Jimmy Carter were around back in 1959, he'd be first in line cheering for Fidel. ------------------ [Addendum]: If you're a foreign policy wonk, you owe it to yourself to read Kirkpatrick's Commentary essay. But even if you aren't, you should read her wiki entry. She was an old-school conservative Democrat who so impressed Ronald Reagan (he read her essay) that he made her his foreign policy advisor for his 1980 campaign and she eventually became the first woman to serve as the US Ambassador to the United Nations. And when she was appointed to that post in 1981, feminists throughout America cheered wildly and showered President Reagan with their hearty congratulations for allowing Kirkpatrick to break one of the glass ceilings of international politics, and Kirkpatrick herself was lauded by feminists for the rest of her days as a pioneer and a great role-model for young women everywhere.* * No, not really.
Precisely the opposite is true of revolutionary Communist regimes. They create refugees by the million because they claim jurisdiction over the whole life of the society and make demands for change that so violate internalized values and habits that inhabitants flee by the tens of thousands in the remarkable expectation that their attitudes, values, and goals will "fit" better in a foreign country than in their native land.
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mmm new thread smell
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 02, 2016 03:37 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 03:40 PM (hLRSq)
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>>>And you know that if Jimmy Carter were around back in 1959, he'd be first in line cheering for Fidel
Actually he would have been on his knees
Actually he would have been on his knees
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 02, 2016 03:41 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 03:42 PM (xeeHA)
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In this essay, he notes the difference between "authoritarian" and "totalitarian" regimes:
She. And it's Jeane IIRC
She. And it's Jeane IIRC
Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers at December 02, 2016 03:43 PM (E1+X/)
Posted by: Farmer Joe at December 02, 2016 03:43 PM (zSMr0)
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Mark Steyn had a brilliant piece back in 2008 when Castro stepped down:
http://www.steynonline.com/1018/dear-leaders
This week he had another great piece about Fidel, which referenced the older one:
http://www.steynonline.com/7614/a-monster-and-his-suck-ups
http://www.steynonline.com/1018/dear-leaders
This week he had another great piece about Fidel, which referenced the older one:
http://www.steynonline.com/7614/a-monster-and-his-suck-ups
Posted by: Sharkman at December 02, 2016 03:43 PM (CS7jF)
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Kirkpatrick to break one of the glass ceilings of international politics, and Kirkpatrick herself was lauded by feminists for the rest of her days as a pioneer and a great role-model for young women everywhere.*
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It is no surprise the left has so much confusion about gender topics. They've been pretending conservative women weren't women for decades. If you can believe that Sarah Palin isn't a woman, then something like Lena Dunham has to be very confusing.
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It is no surprise the left has so much confusion about gender topics. They've been pretending conservative women weren't women for decades. If you can believe that Sarah Palin isn't a woman, then something like Lena Dunham has to be very confusing.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 03:44 PM (xeeHA)
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Is there a good book out there about Pinochet & the overthrow of Allende, one that isn't gobbling the Commie's knob?
Posted by: josephistan at December 02, 2016 03:45 PM (7HtZB)
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I fail to see equivalency between Castro and Pinochet. The latter had to kill maybe a few thousand people in order to prevent what happened in Cuba, which cost the lives of tens of thousands and destroyed the lives of millions for over 50 years. Same with Chile had Allende not been ousted.
I'll take that any time, cruel as the truth and the real world may be at times.
I fail to see equivalency between Castro and Pinochet. The latter had to kill maybe a few thousand people in order to prevent what happened in Cuba, which cost the lives of tens of thousands and destroyed the lives of millions for over 50 years. Same with Chile had Allende not been ousted.
I'll take that any time, cruel as the truth and the real world may be at times.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 03:46 PM (mbhDw)
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[Addendum]: If you're a foreign policy wonk, you owe it to yourself to read Kirkpatrick's Commentary essay. But even if you aren't, you should read her wiki entry. She was an old-school conservative Democrat who so impressed Ronald Reagan (he read her essay) that he made her his foreign policy advisor for his 1980 campaign and she eventually became the first woman to serve as the US Ambassador to the United Nations.
And when she was appointed to that post in 1981, feminists throughout America cheered wildly and showered President Reagan with their hearty congratulations for allowing Kirkpatrick to break one of the glass ceilings of international politics, and Kirkpatrick herself was lauded by feminists for the rest of her days as a pioneer and a great role-model for young women everywhere.*
* No, not really.
Posted by: OregonMuse at 03:40 PM
She was excellent and she was my role model. And I never comprehended she was a Dem- I just knew she loved America. And the State women I worked with hated her.
And when she was appointed to that post in 1981, feminists throughout America cheered wildly and showered President Reagan with their hearty congratulations for allowing Kirkpatrick to break one of the glass ceilings of international politics, and Kirkpatrick herself was lauded by feminists for the rest of her days as a pioneer and a great role-model for young women everywhere.*
* No, not really.
Posted by: OregonMuse at 03:40 PM
She was excellent and she was my role model. And I never comprehended she was a Dem- I just knew she loved America. And the State women I worked with hated her.
Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at December 02, 2016 03:46 PM (VnCI9)
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One interesting thing about socialists and communist governments. It seems that they are always building fences and walls. To keep people in.
Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at December 02, 2016 03:47 PM (9iR5/)
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The Shah doesn't seem to me to be comparable to Somoza, Batistia, or obviously the likes of Castro.
The Shah was trying to move Iran to a more western outlook while facing danger from the Soviets/communists and Islamists. He certainly wasn't a libertarian-conservative, but he was building a mostly free society. Just look at pictures from Iran before and after his overthrow.
In the end he beat the former, but couldn't beat the latter...
The Shah was trying to move Iran to a more western outlook while facing danger from the Soviets/communists and Islamists. He certainly wasn't a libertarian-conservative, but he was building a mostly free society. Just look at pictures from Iran before and after his overthrow.
In the end he beat the former, but couldn't beat the latter...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 02, 2016 03:47 PM (X7E8f)
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Apparently the Soviets had 162 nukes on Cuba and Fidel was raring to go, wanted to launch. I think he said as much in interviews after. That would have killed about 80million just by themselves. The Soviets just wanted them for leverage, so their military guys were saying to get them out, that Fidel was a lunatic.
Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers at December 02, 2016 03:47 PM (E1+X/)
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"And you know that if Jimmy Carter were around back in 1959, he'd be first in line cheering for Fidel."
Jimmy Carter is actually older than Fidel Castro.
Jimmy Carter is actually older than Fidel Castro.
Posted by: zmdavid at December 02, 2016 03:48 PM (xqRaG)
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Where's Che? out posing for t-shirt pics?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 02, 2016 03:48 PM (so+oy)
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Castro might have been a son of a bitch but at least he wasn't Trump!
Posted by: David Gerkin Pickle at December 02, 2016 03:49 PM (IqV8l)
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Pinochet, like Franco in Spain, came out of necessity to topple a disgusting and growing communist tyranny. I am sure that if Allende had managed to stay in power he would have racked up a massive body count, as would The "Popular Front" of 1930's Spain.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 02, 2016 03:49 PM (ujg0T)
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Pinochet would have been ignored a 100 years earlier, because his kind of takeover would have been more or less presumed. New guy takes over; wipe out the old guard. Not good or right, just typical. He did it too late in historywhen cameras were rolling and the mourning wives of the monsters he threw out of power and killed were "dancing alone" as Sting wrote in his cloying song.
Pinochet was a useful tyrant though in that he showed that the left can, actually, put their money where their mouth is about liberty and oppression if the bad guy is the right sort.
Pinochet was a useful tyrant though in that he showed that the left can, actually, put their money where their mouth is about liberty and oppression if the bad guy is the right sort.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 03:49 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 03:49 PM (xeeHA)
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But is there any sane person who argues that tossing these SOBs out
resulted in a better life for the people of their respective countries?
Not only has tossing out the capitalist SOB and replacing him wityh a comunist SOB never made a better life and always results in murder and grief by the wholesale shit-ton, but you can never convince the average dumb person now exactly how rare out breakaway from England was in the 1700s. In any revolution the once the new regime is in power the witch hunts and murders always start. Usually with the new leader for life killing a lot of his own supporters.
People who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. But people who never even make an attempt to read it are usually the first victims.
resulted in a better life for the people of their respective countries?
Not only has tossing out the capitalist SOB and replacing him wityh a comunist SOB never made a better life and always results in murder and grief by the wholesale shit-ton, but you can never convince the average dumb person now exactly how rare out breakaway from England was in the 1700s. In any revolution the once the new regime is in power the witch hunts and murders always start. Usually with the new leader for life killing a lot of his own supporters.
People who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. But people who never even make an attempt to read it are usually the first victims.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 02, 2016 03:49 PM (mpXpK)
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Was thinking on way home the other day
If your wondering what war is for you don't know what evil is.
If your wondering what war is for you don't know what evil is.
Posted by: Skip at December 02, 2016 03:49 PM (5sOEp)
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"No idea holds greater sway in the mind of educated Americans than the belief that it is possible to democratize governments, anytime and anywhere, under any circumstances ... Decades, if not centuries, are normally required for people to acquire the necessary disciplines and habits. In Britain, the road [to democratic government] took seven centuries to traverse ... The speed with which armies collapse, bureaucracies abdicate, and social structures dissolve once the autocrat is removed frequently surprises American policymakers."
Lady knew what was what. It's almost like she realized politics flows from culture, and if your culture can't support a free nation, you won't get one. (And we might want to start applying that at home, folks...)
Lady knew what was what. It's almost like she realized politics flows from culture, and if your culture can't support a free nation, you won't get one. (And we might want to start applying that at home, folks...)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at December 02, 2016 03:50 PM (9krrF)
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If a conservative woman, or at least a non-prog non-feminist woman, breaks a glass ceiling then it's not really broken.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 02, 2016 03:50 PM (0mRoj)
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She was excellent and she was my role model. And I never comprehended she was a Dem- I just knew she loved America. And the State women I worked with hated her.
Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at December 02, 2016 03:46 PM (VnCI9)
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In the mid 80s I worked in DC, and she would come in to AEI on the floor above us, so we would see her in the elevator occasionally. We were all in awe.
Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at December 02, 2016 03:46 PM (VnCI9)
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In the mid 80s I worked in DC, and she would come in to AEI on the floor above us, so we would see her in the elevator occasionally. We were all in awe.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 03:51 PM (Zokmo)
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As is noted in the sidebar, Venezuela is currently a completely failed state. In a country with great natural resources, people are starving to death.
The kleptocracy in charge are billionaires.
But no one on the Left seems to give a shit about that.
The kleptocracy in charge are billionaires.
But no one on the Left seems to give a shit about that.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at December 02, 2016 03:51 PM (mf5HN)
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People are tired of all the smart set getting everything absolutely wrong.
Let's just look at the VA. Supposedly Palin is under consideration and the world is losing its shit. Does anybody know who the head of the VA is now? Without Googling it?
I am guessing no. Some guy named Robert McDonald. Former CEO of Procter & (that's an ampersand) Gamble. Surely he's smart, well educated and the VA is still a boondoggle that is killing our vets.
And before him it was General Shinseki. You couldn't make up a better resume. West Point graduate, 4 star general, himself a wounded veteran who had one of his feet blown off. Former Chief of Staff of the Army. And he resigned because he wasn't getting it done.
If the "right" people are failing, then maybe, just maybe, they aren't the right people.
Let's just look at the VA. Supposedly Palin is under consideration and the world is losing its shit. Does anybody know who the head of the VA is now? Without Googling it?
I am guessing no. Some guy named Robert McDonald. Former CEO of Procter & (that's an ampersand) Gamble. Surely he's smart, well educated and the VA is still a boondoggle that is killing our vets.
And before him it was General Shinseki. You couldn't make up a better resume. West Point graduate, 4 star general, himself a wounded veteran who had one of his feet blown off. Former Chief of Staff of the Army. And he resigned because he wasn't getting it done.
If the "right" people are failing, then maybe, just maybe, they aren't the right people.
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 03:51 PM (tewYv)
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Not only has the Times and other publications like Time and countless foreign publications been long time apologists for the Castro regime, they made up or at least went along with much of the mythology surrounding Castro, Che and the entire murderous regime. The truth is, given it's relative size, the murder and torture that the Castro regime inflicted on the Cuban population is not far behind Stalin, Hitler, Mao and other communist dictators. And the actual fighting about Batista's forces was pretty much a joke.
Since I won't be around on Sunday, I would highly recommend the book, Exposing The Real Che Guevara: And The Useful Idiots Who Support Him. It is a highly factual and well supported account of the revolution and the psychopathic killers behind it. And you will get a real look at the lengths lefty journalists went to create a false narrative about the entire revolution.
It's unconscionable both what these monsters did and what the media did to cover for them.
Since I won't be around on Sunday, I would highly recommend the book, Exposing The Real Che Guevara: And The Useful Idiots Who Support Him. It is a highly factual and well supported account of the revolution and the psychopathic killers behind it. And you will get a real look at the lengths lefty journalists went to create a false narrative about the entire revolution.
It's unconscionable both what these monsters did and what the media did to cover for them.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 03:52 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: pep at December 02, 2016 03:52 PM (LAe3v)
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But no one on the Left seems to give a shit about that.
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It is partly sad but mostly terrifying the lengths to which the left will go to 'win.' It isn't about enacting their crazy, impossible utopia like they say.
It is just about power. Raw, naked power. MAKING other people do what you think is right.
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It is partly sad but mostly terrifying the lengths to which the left will go to 'win.' It isn't about enacting their crazy, impossible utopia like they say.
It is just about power. Raw, naked power. MAKING other people do what you think is right.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 03:53 PM (xeeHA)
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26 As is noted in the sidebar, Venezuela is currently a completely failed state. In a country with great natural resources, people are starving to death.
The kleptocracy in charge are billionaires.
But no one on the Left seems to give a shit about that.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at December 02, 2016 03:51 PM (mf5HN)
Give a shit? Hell, that's what they want for America!
The kleptocracy in charge are billionaires.
But no one on the Left seems to give a shit about that.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at December 02, 2016 03:51 PM (mf5HN)
Give a shit? Hell, that's what they want for America!
Posted by: Insomniac at December 02, 2016 03:53 PM (0mRoj)
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OT:
I thought I was having a heart attack.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
You know how to tell if you're not having a heart attack.
Goto the ER and see if they STOP paying attention to you.
BIL wound up feeling bad, going, getting stents all in one aft.
I thought I was having a heart attack.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
You know how to tell if you're not having a heart attack.
Goto the ER and see if they STOP paying attention to you.
BIL wound up feeling bad, going, getting stents all in one aft.
Posted by: DaveA at December 02, 2016 03:53 PM (8J/Te)
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Pinochet, like Franco in Spain, came out of necessity to topple a disgusting and growing communist tyranny.
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If you read what was happening in "republican" Spain before he made his move you would have to agree with what he and his allies did.
The left had decided it had "won" forever and was going to get rid of Catholics and non-socialists. They were beating people in the streets and arresting those that complained about it....
Also, considering history post-1945 the west dodged a bullet. A Soviet ally in far western Europe would have made WWIII much more likely as it would have put the Soviets in a much stronger position.
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If you read what was happening in "republican" Spain before he made his move you would have to agree with what he and his allies did.
The left had decided it had "won" forever and was going to get rid of Catholics and non-socialists. They were beating people in the streets and arresting those that complained about it....
Also, considering history post-1945 the west dodged a bullet. A Soviet ally in far western Europe would have made WWIII much more likely as it would have put the Soviets in a much stronger position.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 02, 2016 03:53 PM (X7E8f)
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It's unconscionable both what these monsters did and what the media did to cover for them.
Posted by: JackStraw
Soooooo......Thursday.
Posted by: JackStraw
Soooooo......Thursday.
Posted by: pep at December 02, 2016 03:53 PM (LAe3v)
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Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers at December 02, 2016 03:47 PM (E1+X/)
Makes one wonder what was going through the heads of the Soviet rocket guys in Cuba back then. "What if the bearded loon sends his boys through the fences to get to the missiles? What do we do then?" Unlike, say Eastern Europe, there isn't a Tank Army ready to march and slap the silly so-and-so into next week if he steps out of line.
Makes one wonder what was going through the heads of the Soviet rocket guys in Cuba back then. "What if the bearded loon sends his boys through the fences to get to the missiles? What do we do then?" Unlike, say Eastern Europe, there isn't a Tank Army ready to march and slap the silly so-and-so into next week if he steps out of line.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 03:54 PM (hLRSq)
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>>Apparently the Soviets had 162 nukes on Cuba and Fidel was raring to go, wanted to launch. I think he said as much in interviews after.
That was Che Guevara. He was a true psychopath. Castro is a corrupt piece of shit but Guevara was a crazy, bloodthirsty lunatic. And yes, he wanted to launch nukes at the US and would have had he been given the opportunity.
That was Che Guevara. He was a true psychopath. Castro is a corrupt piece of shit but Guevara was a crazy, bloodthirsty lunatic. And yes, he wanted to launch nukes at the US and would have had he been given the opportunity.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 03:54 PM (/tuJf)
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20 Where's Che? out posing for t-shirt pics?
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Sucking the barbed cock of Satan.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 03:49 PM (xeeHA)
That's not the end it's going in...
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Sucking the barbed cock of Satan.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 03:49 PM (xeeHA)
That's not the end it's going in...
Posted by: Insomniac at December 02, 2016 03:54 PM (0mRoj)
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Pinochet's crimes were brutal because the people he killed were known to the friends and colleagues of the mainstream media reporters, publishers and editors. The communists he killed were from the same class as the staff of the New York Times. The Chilean Military was not of that class.
Compare and contrast with the thousands of peasants living in the mountains of Peru killed by Shining Path guerillas.
It is all a class thing.
Compare and contrast with the thousands of peasants living in the mountains of Peru killed by Shining Path guerillas.
It is all a class thing.
Posted by: rd at December 02, 2016 03:54 PM (Rtl0g)
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As is noted in the sidebar, Venezuela is currently a completely failed
state. In a country with great natural resources, people are starving
to death.
The kleptocracy in charge are billionaires.
But no one on the Left seems to give a shit about that.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at December 02, 2016 03:51 PM (mf5HN)
Did you see the VNN link this morning to a story in which the merchants there no longer even try to count the money in payment for products? They now weigh it.
That is what runaway inflation looks like.
As is noted in the sidebar, Venezuela is currently a completely failed
state. In a country with great natural resources, people are starving
to death.
The kleptocracy in charge are billionaires.
But no one on the Left seems to give a shit about that.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at December 02, 2016 03:51 PM (mf5HN)
Did you see the VNN link this morning to a story in which the merchants there no longer even try to count the money in payment for products? They now weigh it.
That is what runaway inflation looks like.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 02, 2016 03:55 PM (mpXpK)
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If the "right" people are failing, then maybe, just maybe, they aren't the right people.
Posted by: blaster
To be fair, it's my guess that nothing can fix VA short of abolition of the Civil Service rules and / or fully portable vouchers anywhere. Either is fine with me.
Posted by: blaster
To be fair, it's my guess that nothing can fix VA short of abolition of the Civil Service rules and / or fully portable vouchers anywhere. Either is fine with me.
Posted by: pep at December 02, 2016 03:55 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 03:56 PM (xeeHA)
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Let's just look at the VA. Supposedly Palin is under consideration and the world is losing its shit. Does anybody know who the head of the VA is now? Without Googling it?
I am guessing no. Some guy named Robert McDonald.
Ronald McDonald? Burgers for everyone!
I am guessing no. Some guy named Robert McDonald.
Ronald McDonald? Burgers for everyone!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 03:56 PM (SgI6S)
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Pinochet was a useful tyrant though in that he showed that the left can, actually, put their money where their mouth is about liberty and oppression if the bad guy is the right sort.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 03:49 PM (39g3+)
And yet, Pinochet was no Ferdinand Marcos. He kept his hands off the economy and did not set up crony corporations. He even invited "Uncle Miltie" Friedman down there for economic advice.
Under his rule, Chile made their pension system sustainable and profitable--something we badly need with Social Security up here.
He was a hard ass SOB, but he bullied and beat and jailed and drove leftists into exile, rather than actually killing them.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 03:49 PM (39g3+)
And yet, Pinochet was no Ferdinand Marcos. He kept his hands off the economy and did not set up crony corporations. He even invited "Uncle Miltie" Friedman down there for economic advice.
Under his rule, Chile made their pension system sustainable and profitable--something we badly need with Social Security up here.
He was a hard ass SOB, but he bullied and beat and jailed and drove leftists into exile, rather than actually killing them.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 02, 2016 03:56 PM (ujg0T)
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Che wanted to launch the nukes. He begged Khrushchev to launch them, and said as much. He didn't care if Cuba was turned into a radioactive wasteland in response, he wanted to destroy our cities.
He was let down that it didn't happen, and said the Soviets were too soft.
He was let down that it didn't happen, and said the Soviets were too soft.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 02, 2016 03:56 PM (DW+jj)
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Posted by: DaveA at December 02, 2016 03:53 PM (8J/Te)
They took me right away and then they did various tests but I still had to wait about 3 hours to get a room. It was very, very busy in the ER Every ten minutes or so someone else would come in by ambulance at the entrance I was sitting by..
They took me right away and then they did various tests but I still had to wait about 3 hours to get a room. It was very, very busy in the ER Every ten minutes or so someone else would come in by ambulance at the entrance I was sitting by..
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 03:56 PM (tOcW/)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 03:57 PM (SgI6S)
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In a country with great natural resources, people are starving to death.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at December 02, 2016 03:51 PM (mf5HN)
It is evil.
I know that is not a popular reason, but the concept of a fat and content and happy populace is simply more pleasing than that of a cowed and fearful society that has to struggle to live.
Anyone who rejects the one in favor of the other is evil, and needs to be fought.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at December 02, 2016 03:51 PM (mf5HN)
It is evil.
I know that is not a popular reason, but the concept of a fat and content and happy populace is simply more pleasing than that of a cowed and fearful society that has to struggle to live.
Anyone who rejects the one in favor of the other is evil, and needs to be fought.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 03:57 PM (42Mgr)
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Fenelon, I really hope you get someone to cover those two services for you. It's only 2 days away, and you probably need to keep resting, don't you think?
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 03:57 PM (Zokmo)
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27 If the "right" people are failing, then maybe, just maybe, they aren't the right people.
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 03:51 PM (tewYv)
And maybe it is not the people, it is the system.
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 03:51 PM (tewYv)
And maybe it is not the people, it is the system.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 02, 2016 03:57 PM (mpXpK)
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CO2 isn't causing global warming. It's all those totalitarian dictators and Islamists that have recently died or been blown up that are stoking the fires in Hell.
Posted by: Roy at December 02, 2016 03:57 PM (fWLrt)
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He was let down that it didn't happen, and said the Soviets were too soft.
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Yeah. Fuck that guy in particular.
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Yeah. Fuck that guy in particular.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 03:57 PM (xeeHA)
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>>Soooooo......Thursday.
They took it to a whole new level with Cuba. It's really unbelievable what they did.
Everything they have reported about Cuba is false.
You will get some insight into why minorities and particularly blacks on the left have been so supportive of Cuba. They have been lied to as much as anyone about that regime.
They took it to a whole new level with Cuba. It's really unbelievable what they did.
Everything they have reported about Cuba is false.
You will get some insight into why minorities and particularly blacks on the left have been so supportive of Cuba. They have been lied to as much as anyone about that regime.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 03:57 PM (/tuJf)
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All the News that Fits the Narrative!
Current headlines "above the fold" on The New York Times homepage:
Trump Chooses an Outspoken Retired Marine to Lead Defense
Obama Is Handing a Strong Economy to His Successor
Editorial: Carrier Jobs, Saved by Government
Krugman: Seduced and Betrayed by Donald Trump
What the Alt-Right Really Means
Immigration Courts Buckling After Years of Stalled Cases
Don't Blame Transgender People for Trump
Current headlines "above the fold" on The New York Times homepage:
Trump Chooses an Outspoken Retired Marine to Lead Defense
Obama Is Handing a Strong Economy to His Successor
Editorial: Carrier Jobs, Saved by Government
Krugman: Seduced and Betrayed by Donald Trump
What the Alt-Right Really Means
Immigration Courts Buckling After Years of Stalled Cases
Don't Blame Transgender People for Trump
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 03:58 PM (SIY7D)
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10
I fail to see equivalency between Castro and Pinochet. The latter had to kill maybe a few thousand people in order to prevent what happened in Cuba, which cost the lives of tens of thousands and destroyed the lives of millions for over 50 years. Same with Chile had Allende not been ousted.
I'll take that any time, cruel as the truth and the real world may be at times.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 03:46 PM (mbhDw)
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AMEN.
And at least Pinochet left the country better off economically than it was even before Allende, not to mention faaaaar better off than the basket-case it was under the Commies.
It should be noted that Pinochet's coup was fully supported by every opposition party from the Christian Conservatives to the Social Democrats.
He himself was picked because he was so apolitical, non-ideological. He was tough enough to rid the land of the worst Leninists --- the Cubans ran like rats! --- but had no favorites among the anti-Communists.
When he lost the second plebiscite ---how many internationally supervised plebiscites did Castro allow?!?--- when the people said it was time to go, he packed his bags and left.
And when he died there was much reflection in Chile but no dancing in the street.
I fail to see equivalency between Castro and Pinochet. The latter had to kill maybe a few thousand people in order to prevent what happened in Cuba, which cost the lives of tens of thousands and destroyed the lives of millions for over 50 years. Same with Chile had Allende not been ousted.
I'll take that any time, cruel as the truth and the real world may be at times.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 03:46 PM (mbhDw)
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AMEN.
And at least Pinochet left the country better off economically than it was even before Allende, not to mention faaaaar better off than the basket-case it was under the Commies.
It should be noted that Pinochet's coup was fully supported by every opposition party from the Christian Conservatives to the Social Democrats.
He himself was picked because he was so apolitical, non-ideological. He was tough enough to rid the land of the worst Leninists --- the Cubans ran like rats! --- but had no favorites among the anti-Communists.
When he lost the second plebiscite ---how many internationally supervised plebiscites did Castro allow?!?--- when the people said it was time to go, he packed his bags and left.
And when he died there was much reflection in Chile but no dancing in the street.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 02, 2016 03:58 PM (Nox3c)
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Did you see the VNN link this morning to a story in which the merchants there no longer even try to count the money in payment for products? They now weigh it.
Sounds like the stories of Weimar Germany.
Did you see the VNN link this morning to a story in which the merchants there no longer even try to count the money in payment for products? They now weigh it.
Sounds like the stories of Weimar Germany.
Posted by: David Gerkin Pickle at December 02, 2016 03:58 PM (IqV8l)
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Hell, even between Leftist dictatorships, they play favorites - national socialists like Mussolini and Hilter are bad because they fought international socialist dictators, who are good. But guys like Peron get a pass, because they didn't really do overly much to check Comintern.
Posted by: FaCubeItches at December 02, 2016 03:59 PM (rznWS)
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I'm so sick of the brain-dead line, "he outlasted 11 US presidents" as if that's some sort of great achievement. Yeah, he outlasted them, because we don't have dictators for life here and the old shitbag lived to be 90, unfortunately dying in bed instead of getting the Mussolini treatment.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 02, 2016 03:59 PM (u0lmX)
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And before him it was General Shinseki. You couldn't make up a better resume. West Point graduate, 4 star general, himself a wounded veteran who had one of his feet blown off. Former Chief of Staff of the Army. And he resigned because he wasn't getting it done.
If the "right" people are failing, then maybe, just maybe, they aren't the right people.
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 03:51 PM (tewYv)
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But hey, everyone got wear Black Berets.
Yesterday I couldn't spell Ranger,
Today I are one.
And before him it was General Shinseki. You couldn't make up a better resume. West Point graduate, 4 star general, himself a wounded veteran who had one of his feet blown off. Former Chief of Staff of the Army. And he resigned because he wasn't getting it done.
If the "right" people are failing, then maybe, just maybe, they aren't the right people.
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 03:51 PM (tewYv)
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But hey, everyone got wear Black Berets.
Yesterday I couldn't spell Ranger,
Today I are one.
Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 02, 2016 03:59 PM (hk1x8)
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Compare and contrast with the thousands of peasants living in the mountains of Peru killed by Shining Path guerillas.
It is all a class thing.
Posted by: rd at December 02, 2016 03:54 PM (Rtl0g)
FARC. I can comprehend why the Colombian government wants to cut a deal with FARC because reality is brutal.
But so is FARC. But they're freedom fighters! They're revolutionaries! They support the people!
Hell, look how Liberte de Quebec was praised. The Left loves them some violent revolutionaries.
The Right, as can be seen in this thread, goes look they are utter bastards but it's bastards all the way down and this guy is the least horrific of a bad lot. Is that good? Nope. But it does reflect reality.
It is all a class thing.
Posted by: rd at December 02, 2016 03:54 PM (Rtl0g)
FARC. I can comprehend why the Colombian government wants to cut a deal with FARC because reality is brutal.
But so is FARC. But they're freedom fighters! They're revolutionaries! They support the people!
Hell, look how Liberte de Quebec was praised. The Left loves them some violent revolutionaries.
The Right, as can be seen in this thread, goes look they are utter bastards but it's bastards all the way down and this guy is the least horrific of a bad lot. Is that good? Nope. But it does reflect reality.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at December 02, 2016 03:59 PM (mf5HN)
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He was a hard ass SOB, but he bullied and beat and jailed and drove leftists into exile, rather than actually killing them.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 02, 2016 03:56 PM (ujg0T)
No.
He killed some of them. Not very many, and certainly not as many as the apologists for communism claim.
But we shouldn't whitewash his rule.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 02, 2016 03:56 PM (ujg0T)
No.
He killed some of them. Not very many, and certainly not as many as the apologists for communism claim.
But we shouldn't whitewash his rule.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 03:59 PM (42Mgr)
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The latter had to kill maybe a few thousand people in order to prevent what happened in Cuba, which cost the lives of tens of thousands and destroyed the lives of millions for over 50 years.
There's an observable inflection point everywhere commies go where just killing all of them then would have stopped 2 to 4 orders of magnitude of death later on.
There's an observable inflection point everywhere commies go where just killing all of them then would have stopped 2 to 4 orders of magnitude of death later on.
Posted by: DaveA at December 02, 2016 03:59 PM (8J/Te)
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And maybe it is not the people, it is the system.
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In every area of research into organizational systems it has been established beyond any question that you can't have itemized central planning of large, distributed systems. It doesn't work.
And yet a significant minority of Americans believe in socialism.
If you want to talk about a failure of education this is it.
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In every area of research into organizational systems it has been established beyond any question that you can't have itemized central planning of large, distributed systems. It doesn't work.
And yet a significant minority of Americans believe in socialism.
If you want to talk about a failure of education this is it.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 02, 2016 03:59 PM (X7E8f)
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You will get some insight into why minorities and particularly blacks on the left have been so supportive of Cuba. They have been lied to as much as anyone about that regime.
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I have several friends that have been to Cuba and just EAT UP the minder's propaganda. They swear up and down they were just chilling with a bunch of cool, super-happy college kids while they were there. Having never "been there" I could never convince them otherwise.
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I have several friends that have been to Cuba and just EAT UP the minder's propaganda. They swear up and down they were just chilling with a bunch of cool, super-happy college kids while they were there. Having never "been there" I could never convince them otherwise.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 03:59 PM (xeeHA)
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Hour ago wondered if Sarah P. was getting a Trump administration job.
Posted by: Skip at December 02, 2016 04:00 PM (5sOEp)
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If the "right" people are failing, then maybe, just maybe, they aren't the right people.
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 03:51 PM (tewYv)
Nope... you can't fix the VA until you can fire people.
The VA is covered under Civil Service Acts... which means even the Head of the Agency, can't fire anyone.
With the Civil Service rules, its what I call the Peter Principal plus... where you will be promoted to the level where you are no longer competent enough to get promoted again... but if you are there long enough... yep... promotion.
Heck, even people who blatantly break the law like Lois Lerner can't be fired...
And until THAT is changed, by Congress... you can't fix any Governmental Agency... including the VA.
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 03:51 PM (tewYv)
Nope... you can't fix the VA until you can fire people.
The VA is covered under Civil Service Acts... which means even the Head of the Agency, can't fire anyone.
With the Civil Service rules, its what I call the Peter Principal plus... where you will be promoted to the level where you are no longer competent enough to get promoted again... but if you are there long enough... yep... promotion.
Heck, even people who blatantly break the law like Lois Lerner can't be fired...
And until THAT is changed, by Congress... you can't fix any Governmental Agency... including the VA.
Posted by: Don Q. at December 02, 2016 04:00 PM (qf6WZ)
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All those idiots wearing the Che T-shirts don't know that if their hero had had his way, they wouldn't be alive today, and if they were, it would be in some Mad Max post-nuclear world. It would be the Walking Dead. No zombies, but piles of bodies and a few survivors eating each other.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 02, 2016 04:00 PM (DW+jj)
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What a day for Ace to step away from the HQ!
Amy Schumer announced as lead in live action Barbie movie...
Amy Schumer announced as lead in live action Barbie movie...
Posted by: wooga at December 02, 2016 04:00 PM (PKZyN)
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Also, considering history post-1945 the west dodged a bullet. A Soviet ally in far western Europe would have made WWIII much more likely as it would have put the Soviets in a much stronger position.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 02, 2016 03:53 PM (X7E8f)
True that. Moreover, he was shrewd enough to stay neutral and out, or at least far enough out, of Hitler's orbit. Those allies of his who were fanatical Nazis? Franco let them volunteer to get killed on the Eastern Front. Not a bad move all things considered.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 02, 2016 03:53 PM (X7E8f)
True that. Moreover, he was shrewd enough to stay neutral and out, or at least far enough out, of Hitler's orbit. Those allies of his who were fanatical Nazis? Franco let them volunteer to get killed on the Eastern Front. Not a bad move all things considered.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 02, 2016 04:00 PM (ujg0T)
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The big difference between Castro and Pinochet: Pinochet held a plebiscite, lost, and stepped down, probably knowing full well that he would later be arrested. Castro would have done neither. He'd have shot all involved.
According to Wiki, Pinochet left office w $28M; couch change compared to Castro.
According to Wiki, Pinochet left office w $28M; couch change compared to Castro.
Posted by: pep at December 02, 2016 04:00 PM (LAe3v)
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So the rat bastard commies Allende and Castro are defended and romanticized while Pinochet, a staunch anti-communist, is condemned wholeheartedly.
Rat bastard commies. They should all be described that way including Barry
Rat bastard commies. They should all be described that way including Barry
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 02, 2016 04:00 PM (493sH)
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36 >>Apparently the Soviets had 162 nukes on Cuba and Fidel was raring to go, wanted to launch. I think he said as much in interviews after.
That was Che Guevara. He was a true psychopath. Castro is a corrupt piece of shit but Guevara was a crazy, bloodthirsty lunatic. And yes, he wanted to launch nukes at the US and would have had he been given the opportunity.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 03:54 PM (/tuJf)
Castro wanted the USSR to launch their ICBMs from Russian soil. The Soviets knew that LeMay would have destroyed all of Russia and the Warsaw Pact in about 12 to 24 hours. The Soviets may have been vicious dictators, but they were not suicidal.
About 300-600 million dead in a day, it would have been ugly.
That was Che Guevara. He was a true psychopath. Castro is a corrupt piece of shit but Guevara was a crazy, bloodthirsty lunatic. And yes, he wanted to launch nukes at the US and would have had he been given the opportunity.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 03:54 PM (/tuJf)
Castro wanted the USSR to launch their ICBMs from Russian soil. The Soviets knew that LeMay would have destroyed all of Russia and the Warsaw Pact in about 12 to 24 hours. The Soviets may have been vicious dictators, but they were not suicidal.
About 300-600 million dead in a day, it would have been ugly.
Posted by: rd at December 02, 2016 04:01 PM (Rtl0g)
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Just an aside:
If you have anything saved up in your prayer bank, I recommend spending it all on our neighborhood Pastor.
If you have anything saved up in your prayer bank, I recommend spending it all on our neighborhood Pastor.
Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 02, 2016 04:01 PM (I7I0v)
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47 In a country with great natural resources, people are starving to death.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at December 02, 2016 03:51 PM (mf5HN)
And a place with almost no natural resources, Hong Kong, thrived for many decades because the Brits left them alone to pursue capitalism instead of forcing Mother England's socialism on them.
And yet, the Left still insists that 2 and 2 will equal 5, if we just give it another shot.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at December 02, 2016 03:51 PM (mf5HN)
And a place with almost no natural resources, Hong Kong, thrived for many decades because the Brits left them alone to pursue capitalism instead of forcing Mother England's socialism on them.
And yet, the Left still insists that 2 and 2 will equal 5, if we just give it another shot.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 02, 2016 04:02 PM (u0lmX)
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Bedeviled 11 presidents? I don't think so. He bedazzled a current one.
Posted by: washrivergal at December 02, 2016 04:02 PM (CFc5L)
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The left had decided it had "won" forever and was going to get rid of Catholics and non-socialists. They were beating people in the streets and arresting those that complained about it....
Posted by: 18-1 at December 02, 2016 03:53 PM (X7E8f)
It's worse - much worse - than that. They were murdering priests and nuns, among others who resisted the ideas of their nascent leftist anti-monarchial, anti-clerical utopia. Political murders were commonplace. The "Republicans" were also implementing all the sorts of leftist shit we see here today, and getting a lot of push back.
The nascent trigger for the Spanish Civil War, IIRC, was the murder of a leader of a conservative, pro-Catholic party (the guy's name escapes me at the moment). It was at that point the Franco moved against the Republicans.
The Nationalists won the ensuing Civil War in no small part because the Republicans were backed by the USSR, and Stalin ordered his minions there to kill members of the leftist alliance who were not pro-Stalin. So they murdered a lot of the left's own supporters who were Trotskyites, anarchists, what have you, thereby sapping the strength of the Republicans.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 02, 2016 03:53 PM (X7E8f)
It's worse - much worse - than that. They were murdering priests and nuns, among others who resisted the ideas of their nascent leftist anti-monarchial, anti-clerical utopia. Political murders were commonplace. The "Republicans" were also implementing all the sorts of leftist shit we see here today, and getting a lot of push back.
The nascent trigger for the Spanish Civil War, IIRC, was the murder of a leader of a conservative, pro-Catholic party (the guy's name escapes me at the moment). It was at that point the Franco moved against the Republicans.
The Nationalists won the ensuing Civil War in no small part because the Republicans were backed by the USSR, and Stalin ordered his minions there to kill members of the leftist alliance who were not pro-Stalin. So they murdered a lot of the left's own supporters who were Trotskyites, anarchists, what have you, thereby sapping the strength of the Republicans.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 02, 2016 04:02 PM (SRKgf)
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I don't know if this has been mentioned yet but Fox Business showed Bolton at Trump Tower today
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet but Fox Business showed Bolton at Trump Tower today
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 02, 2016 04:02 PM (493sH)
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Pinochet's crimes were brutal because the people he killed were known to the friends and colleagues of the mainstream media reporters, publishers and editors.
Yeah. Make no mistake the guy was a murderous tyrant, but he wasn't the kind that keeps the boot in the face forever. I think he saw his job as being one to permanently obliterate the corrupt evil left in his country, which meant a bloodbath and lots of people dear to the left in America died which set them on a tear. But I don't see him as being the type to build a throne of skulls like Pol Pot.
Yeah. Make no mistake the guy was a murderous tyrant, but he wasn't the kind that keeps the boot in the face forever. I think he saw his job as being one to permanently obliterate the corrupt evil left in his country, which meant a bloodbath and lots of people dear to the left in America died which set them on a tear. But I don't see him as being the type to build a throne of skulls like Pol Pot.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 04:02 PM (39g3+)
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But hey, everyone got wear Black Berets.
Yesterday I couldn't spell Ranger,
Today I are one.
Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 02, 2016 03:59 PM (hk1x
That's inside baseball, but yeah. I was never a Shinseki fan because of that and after the whole thing where he allowed himself to be used by Democrats as a weapon against the Bush administration....
But, still, a resume from Central Casting for running the VA, right? And yet it was as fucked up as a football bat under his care.
I get it, the VA is hard, it defeated GEN Omar Bradley as its head. It is going to take someone who can break bureaucracies.
Yesterday I couldn't spell Ranger,
Today I are one.
Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 02, 2016 03:59 PM (hk1x
That's inside baseball, but yeah. I was never a Shinseki fan because of that and after the whole thing where he allowed himself to be used by Democrats as a weapon against the Bush administration....
But, still, a resume from Central Casting for running the VA, right? And yet it was as fucked up as a football bat under his care.
I get it, the VA is hard, it defeated GEN Omar Bradley as its head. It is going to take someone who can break bureaucracies.
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 04:02 PM (tewYv)
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I'd be interested to know if any of these people singing the praises of Fidel are Cuban. Or have any relatives that are currently living in Cuba or any refugee relatives.
Gee, gaining first hand knowledge could be a lot different than living in the Ivory Tower.
Gee, gaining first hand knowledge could be a lot different than living in the Ivory Tower.
Posted by: HH at December 02, 2016 04:02 PM (DrCtv)
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Yes, Kirkpatrick was an *actual* glass-ceiling breaker, who got to where she did through intelligence and hard work. So of course she was vilified by the usual feminist subjects as a tool/mind slave of the dastardly Ronny Raygun.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 02, 2016 04:02 PM (kumBu)
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57 I'm so sick of the brain-dead line, "he outlasted 11 US presidents" as if that's some sort of great achievement. Yeah, he outlasted them, because we don't have dictators for life here and the old shitbag lived to be 90, unfortunately dying in bed instead of getting the Mussolini treatment.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 02, 2016 03:59 PM (u0lmX)
And my Mom has outlasted that many Presidents too! and heck.... She's gonna outlast Obama!
So She's even MOAH BETTAH!
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 02, 2016 03:59 PM (u0lmX)
And my Mom has outlasted that many Presidents too! and heck.... She's gonna outlast Obama!
So She's even MOAH BETTAH!
Posted by: Don Q. at December 02, 2016 04:02 PM (qf6WZ)
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Is that a Thatcher quote? If it isn't, it should be.
Posted by: pep
Nope, that's from Kirkpatrick's paper cited above, I believe.
Posted by: pep
Nope, that's from Kirkpatrick's paper cited above, I believe.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at December 02, 2016 04:03 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: Beethoven at December 02, 2016 04:03 PM (rznWS)
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67
What a day for Ace to step away from the HQ!
Amy Schumer announced as lead in live action Barbie movie...
Posted by: wooga
In wide screen, no doubt.
What a day for Ace to step away from the HQ!
Amy Schumer announced as lead in live action Barbie movie...
Posted by: wooga
In wide screen, no doubt.
Posted by: pep at December 02, 2016 04:03 PM (LAe3v)
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60 He was a hard ass SOB, but he bullied and beat and jailed and drove leftists into exile, rather than actually killing them.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 02, 2016 03:56 PM (ujg0T)
No.
He killed some of them. Not very many, and certainly not as many as the apologists for communism claim.
But we shouldn't whitewash his rule.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 03:59 PM (42Mgr)
That should have read "rather than actually killing many of them". Error regretted.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 02, 2016 03:56 PM (ujg0T)
No.
He killed some of them. Not very many, and certainly not as many as the apologists for communism claim.
But we shouldn't whitewash his rule.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 03:59 PM (42Mgr)
That should have read "rather than actually killing many of them". Error regretted.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 02, 2016 04:03 PM (ujg0T)
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Trump Chooses an Outspoken Retired Marine to Lead Defense
Obama Is Handing a Strong Economy to His Successor
Editorial: Carrier Jobs, Saved by Government
Krugman: Seduced and Betrayed by Donald Trump
What the Alt-Right Really Means
Immigration Courts Buckling After Years of Stalled Cases
Don't Blame Transgender People for Trump
Yay
Full of shit
Full of shit
Bullshit
Obama Is Handing a Strong Economy to His Successor
Editorial: Carrier Jobs, Saved by Government
Krugman: Seduced and Betrayed by Donald Trump
What the Alt-Right Really Means
Immigration Courts Buckling After Years of Stalled Cases
Don't Blame Transgender People for Trump
Yay
Full of shit
Full of shit
Bullshit
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 04:03 PM (SgI6S)
Posted by: haggis at December 02, 2016 04:04 PM (IQI2h)
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I outlasted eleven presidents.
Posted by: Zombie Abe Vigoda at December 02, 2016 04:04 PM (IqV8l)
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And yet, the Left still insists that 2 and 2 will equal 5, if we just give it another shot.
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The worst thing about the word "progressive" is that it implies some future state when we will just be DONE instead of politics being a nasty, endless tug of war.
It is even worse that their version of utopia is apparently a world were everybody has just enough to live and nobody is any greater than anybody else. Sounds miserable to me.
A world of endless, totalitarian mediocrity.
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The worst thing about the word "progressive" is that it implies some future state when we will just be DONE instead of politics being a nasty, endless tug of war.
It is even worse that their version of utopia is apparently a world were everybody has just enough to live and nobody is any greater than anybody else. Sounds miserable to me.
A world of endless, totalitarian mediocrity.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 04:05 PM (xeeHA)
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Obama Is Handing a Strong Economy to His Successor
This has to be the narrative, and expect them to push it more and more. Which is why I wish the Trump folks would get ahead of it and push how bad the economy is right now. Because he needs to get people to realize how bad unemployement, inflation, and growth is NOW before he takes office. The news media I 100% guarantee will portray everything as Trump's fault starting last month, and portray Obama's economy as being Reagan years on steroids.
This has to be the narrative, and expect them to push it more and more. Which is why I wish the Trump folks would get ahead of it and push how bad the economy is right now. Because he needs to get people to realize how bad unemployement, inflation, and growth is NOW before he takes office. The news media I 100% guarantee will portray everything as Trump's fault starting last month, and portray Obama's economy as being Reagan years on steroids.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 04:06 PM (39g3+)
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That's inside baseball, but yeah. I was never a Shinseki fan because of that
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Yeah you're right, but damn man.
I like like bringing my grudges and slights out for a stroll ever know and then
Keeps em fresh and tasty
That's inside baseball, but yeah. I was never a Shinseki fan because of that
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Yeah you're right, but damn man.
I like like bringing my grudges and slights out for a stroll ever know and then
Keeps em fresh and tasty
Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 02, 2016 04:06 PM (hk1x8)
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Little known fact: Castro grabbed Cuba by the pussy and never let go.
Posted by: Jukin,The Deplorable & Profoundly Unserious at December 02, 2016 04:06 PM (cOHS7)
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>>I'm so sick of the brain-dead line, "he outlasted 11 US presidents" as if that's some sort of great achievement. Yeah, he outlasted them, because we don't have dictators for life here and the old shitbag lived to be 90, unfortunately dying in bed instead of getting the Mussolini treatment.
If Kennedy hadn't left the 2506 Brigade to die and be captured and instead given them even modest support, Castro would have been gone 50 years ago.
If Kennedy hadn't left the 2506 Brigade to die and be captured and instead given them even modest support, Castro would have been gone 50 years ago.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 04:06 PM (/tuJf)
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My long-running joke is that when you become President you get an envelope sealed by your predecessor containing (1) real alien autopsy photos from Area 51, (2) secret 8mm film of Marilyn Monroe with JFK, and (3) proof that the Cubans and Soviets turned Lee Harvey into the JFK shooter.
I actually put low odds on #3. The proof is quite strong that Oswald did it and was the lone shooter, but there are many curious connections between Oswald and both the Soviets and Cubans, and Castro and Khruschev had motive. So how can you rule out #3? I'd say that you can't.
I actually put low odds on #3. The proof is quite strong that Oswald did it and was the lone shooter, but there are many curious connections between Oswald and both the Soviets and Cubans, and Castro and Khruschev had motive. So how can you rule out #3? I'd say that you can't.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 04:06 PM (SIY7D)
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It is evil.
I know that is not a popular reason, but the concept of a fat and content and happy populace is simply more pleasing than that of a cowed and fearful society that has to struggle to live.
Anyone who rejects the one in favor of the other is evil, and needs to be fought.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 03:57 PM (42Mgr)
It is very much evil.
There's a reason why the phrase fat and happy has been around for centuries. To be free from want was the goal of all mankind for centuries and still is today for huge swathes of the planet.
A chicken in every pot. We view that as just a rhetorical device. Until an eyeblink ago in human history, the strong man who was promising that would have the hungry hordes behind him.
Which, actually, is also why we got Trump. Trump is tapping into the atavistic I will lead you to a place where you will be free from hunger. That is a very primal desire indeed.
I know that is not a popular reason, but the concept of a fat and content and happy populace is simply more pleasing than that of a cowed and fearful society that has to struggle to live.
Anyone who rejects the one in favor of the other is evil, and needs to be fought.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 02, 2016 03:57 PM (42Mgr)
It is very much evil.
There's a reason why the phrase fat and happy has been around for centuries. To be free from want was the goal of all mankind for centuries and still is today for huge swathes of the planet.
A chicken in every pot. We view that as just a rhetorical device. Until an eyeblink ago in human history, the strong man who was promising that would have the hungry hordes behind him.
Which, actually, is also why we got Trump. Trump is tapping into the atavistic I will lead you to a place where you will be free from hunger. That is a very primal desire indeed.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at December 02, 2016 04:07 PM (mf5HN)
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"What the Alt-Right Really Means "
Let me guess: R-A-C-I-S-T...
No prizes for getting that one right.
Let me guess: R-A-C-I-S-T...
No prizes for getting that one right.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 02, 2016 04:07 PM (u0lmX)
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True that. Moreover, he was shrewd enough to stay neutral and out, or at least far enough out, of Hitler's orbit. Those allies of his who were fanatical Nazis? Franco let them volunteer to get killed on the Eastern Front. Not a bad move all things considered.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 02, 2016 04:00 PM (ujg0T)
I've defended Franco before. He played the Italians/Germans off against the Soviets handily, getting help from the former to fight the Communists in Spain, then burning the Axis when hot war broke out.
In short, he got what he wanted from some pretty hard-nosed guys, saw off another bunch of hard-nosed guys, gave up nothing to anyone, and kept his country out of WWII.
Pretty fancy footwork, methinks.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 02, 2016 04:00 PM (ujg0T)
I've defended Franco before. He played the Italians/Germans off against the Soviets handily, getting help from the former to fight the Communists in Spain, then burning the Axis when hot war broke out.
In short, he got what he wanted from some pretty hard-nosed guys, saw off another bunch of hard-nosed guys, gave up nothing to anyone, and kept his country out of WWII.
Pretty fancy footwork, methinks.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 02, 2016 04:07 PM (SRKgf)
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The news media I 100% guarantee will portray everything as Trump's fault
starting last month, and portray Obama's economy as being Reagan years
on steroids.
Give it a couple of months, and we'll see clips of Homeless Shelters looking like the wall-climbing scene in World War Z.
starting last month, and portray Obama's economy as being Reagan years
on steroids.
Give it a couple of months, and we'll see clips of Homeless Shelters looking like the wall-climbing scene in World War Z.
Posted by: pep at December 02, 2016 04:07 PM (LAe3v)
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What a day for Ace to step away from the HQ!
Amy Schumer announced as lead in live action Barbie movie...
Posted by: wooga at December 02, 2016 04:00 PM (PKZyN)
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They're gonna need one helluva corset to pull that off.....
Amy Schumer announced as lead in live action Barbie movie...
Posted by: wooga at December 02, 2016 04:00 PM (PKZyN)
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They're gonna need one helluva corset to pull that off.....
Posted by: Flyboy at December 02, 2016 04:07 PM (1oRdp)
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Also, considering history post-1945 the west dodged a bullet. A Soviet ally in far western Europe would have made WWIII much more likely as it would have put the Soviets in a much stronger position.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 02, 2016 03:53 PM (X7E8f)
Imagine Communist Spain controlling the straits of Gibraltar. Now imagine the Middle East since the formation of Israel since 1948.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 02, 2016 03:53 PM (X7E8f)
Imagine Communist Spain controlling the straits of Gibraltar. Now imagine the Middle East since the formation of Israel since 1948.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 04:07 PM (mbhDw)
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As I understand it, Castro didn't want to launch nukes first, but only if we invaded. Che was the one who wanted to do it right then and now.
There was some letter Castro wrote to Khrushchev urging him to launch (or invade) if we invaded Cuba.
And much later, he actually kinda sorta said that would've been a mistake.
Che was the real lunatic, too crazy even for Castro.
There was some letter Castro wrote to Khrushchev urging him to launch (or invade) if we invaded Cuba.
And much later, he actually kinda sorta said that would've been a mistake.
Che was the real lunatic, too crazy even for Castro.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 02, 2016 04:07 PM (DW+jj)
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In 1983 a Soviet pilot shot down Korean Air flight 007, killing all 283 on board, and it was one of the hottest flashpoints of the Cold War.
Jeanne Kirkpatrick made a 2-1/2 minute speech to the U.N. that still remains, to me, one of the finest speeches ever given in that chamber.
If you search you can find it on YouTube.
Jeanne Kirkpatrick made a 2-1/2 minute speech to the U.N. that still remains, to me, one of the finest speeches ever given in that chamber.
If you search you can find it on YouTube.
Posted by: the littl shyning man at December 02, 2016 04:08 PM (U6f54)
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They're gonna need one helluva corset to pull that off.....
Posted by: Flyboy at December 02, 2016 04:07 PM (1oRdp)
The corset pulls itself off.
They're gonna need one helluva corset to pull that off.....
Posted by: Flyboy at December 02, 2016 04:07 PM (1oRdp)
The corset pulls itself off.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 04:08 PM (mbhDw)
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>>What a day for Ace to step away from the HQ!
Amy Schumer announced as lead in live action Barbie movie...
You know -
Some days I am glad I was born without a dick.
Amy Schumer announced as lead in live action Barbie movie...
You know -
Some days I am glad I was born without a dick.
Posted by: Ken at December 02, 2016 04:09 PM (PeNEi)
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Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 04:06 PM (SIY7D)
Ummm, because all the evidence points to one shooter?
Ummm, because all the evidence points to one shooter?
Posted by: HH at December 02, 2016 04:09 PM (DrCtv)
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@#27
I think you are not very familiar with Shinseki. He was a SCOAMF before the SCOAMF was a SCOAMF. I had the distinct displeasure of being in the Army during the time he was in charge. Utter retardation and failure. Same thing when he was at the VA. Guy had no clue how to run anything.
I think you are not very familiar with Shinseki. He was a SCOAMF before the SCOAMF was a SCOAMF. I had the distinct displeasure of being in the Army during the time he was in charge. Utter retardation and failure. Same thing when he was at the VA. Guy had no clue how to run anything.
Posted by: Wahshiya at December 02, 2016 04:09 PM (d9T8L)
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92 Little known fact: Castro grabbed Cuba by the pussy and never let go.
Posted by: Jukin,The Deplorable & Profoundly Unserious at December 02, 2016 04:06 PM (cOHS7)
He reached all the way up to the throat and yanked it so hard, the country was turned inside out.
Posted by: Jukin,The Deplorable & Profoundly Unserious at December 02, 2016 04:06 PM (cOHS7)
He reached all the way up to the throat and yanked it so hard, the country was turned inside out.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 04:09 PM (mbhDw)
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>>As I understand it, Castro didn't want to launch nukes first, but only if we invaded. Che was the one who wanted to do it right then and now.
>>There was some letter Castro wrote to Khrushchev urging him to launch (or invade) if we invaded Cuba.
>>And much later, he actually kinda sorta said that would've been a mistake.
>>Che was the real lunatic, too crazy even for Castro.
Correct. Which is why Castro eventually sent Che on his world tour to spread the joys of communism.
When you are too crazy for Castro, you are bug fuck nuts.
>>There was some letter Castro wrote to Khrushchev urging him to launch (or invade) if we invaded Cuba.
>>And much later, he actually kinda sorta said that would've been a mistake.
>>Che was the real lunatic, too crazy even for Castro.
Correct. Which is why Castro eventually sent Che on his world tour to spread the joys of communism.
When you are too crazy for Castro, you are bug fuck nuts.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 04:10 PM (/tuJf)
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I wish the Trump folks would get ahead of it and push how bad the economy is right now.
The populace in general isn't going to buy that unless they see bread lines.
I wish the Trump folks would get ahead of it and push how bad the economy is right now.
The populace in general isn't going to buy that unless they see bread lines.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 02, 2016 04:10 PM (IqV8l)
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They're gonna need one helluva corset to pull that off.....
Posted by: Flyboy at December 02, 2016 04:07 PM (1oRdp)
The corset pulls itself off.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
For some reason, I have a sudden hankering for biscuits. You know, the kind you make from dough in a tube that you whack on the edge of the counter.
Posted by: Flyboy at December 02, 2016 04:07 PM (1oRdp)
The corset pulls itself off.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
For some reason, I have a sudden hankering for biscuits. You know, the kind you make from dough in a tube that you whack on the edge of the counter.
Posted by: pep at December 02, 2016 04:10 PM (LAe3v)
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I have several friends that have been to Cuba and just EAT UP the minder's propaganda. They swear up and down they were just chilling with a bunch of cool, super-happy college kids while they were there. Having never "been there" I could never convince them otherwise.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 03:59 PM (xeeHA)
As if the Cuban government would let American visitors hang with anybody but government agents spouting the party line.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 03:59 PM (xeeHA)
As if the Cuban government would let American visitors hang with anybody but government agents spouting the party line.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 02, 2016 04:10 PM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 04:11 PM (xeeHA)
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99 What a day for Ace to step away from the HQ!
Amy Schumer announced as lead in live action Barbie movie...
Posted by: wooga at December 02, 2016 04:00 PM (PKZyN)
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They're gonna need one helluva corset to pull that off.....
Posted by: Flyboy at December 02, 2016 04:07 PM (1oRdp)
Had to double take at that one...
Premise is she is not 'perfect enough' to stay in Barbie Land, so gets shit can'd to the real world...
Amy Schumer announced as lead in live action Barbie movie...
Posted by: wooga at December 02, 2016 04:00 PM (PKZyN)
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They're gonna need one helluva corset to pull that off.....
Posted by: Flyboy at December 02, 2016 04:07 PM (1oRdp)
Had to double take at that one...
Premise is she is not 'perfect enough' to stay in Barbie Land, so gets shit can'd to the real world...
Posted by: Don Q. at December 02, 2016 04:11 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 04:11 PM (mbhDw)
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I've outlasted 11 presidents
I've outlasted 11 presidents
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 02, 2016 04:11 PM (lKyWE)
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During the Spanish civil War the NYT cheered for Franco, who was backed and equipped by Hitler. Kind of odd, because the leftist side was assisted by Stalin.
Posted by: sterling bell at December 02, 2016 04:11 PM (rEkRG)
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Premise is she is not 'perfect enough' to stay in Barbie Land, so gets shit can'd to the real world...
Also starring Seth Rogen, as Ken.
Also starring Seth Rogen, as Ken.
Posted by: pep at December 02, 2016 04:12 PM (LAe3v)
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"Stalin ordered his minions there to kill members of the leftist [Spanish] alliance who were not pro-Stalin."
George Orwell, a volunteer with the Spanish Republicans who nearly died from a neck wound, details this in his Homage to Catalonia. It's what opened his eyes and led to Animal Farm and 1984.
George Orwell, a volunteer with the Spanish Republicans who nearly died from a neck wound, details this in his Homage to Catalonia. It's what opened his eyes and led to Animal Farm and 1984.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 04:12 PM (SIY7D)
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110 For some reason, I have a sudden hankering for biscuits. You know, the kind you make from dough in a tube that you whack on the edge of the counter.
Posted by: pep at December 02, 2016 04:10 PM (LAe3v)
Your description sounds somewhat autoerotic.
Posted by: pep at December 02, 2016 04:10 PM (LAe3v)
Your description sounds somewhat autoerotic.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 04:12 PM (mbhDw)
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The populace in general isn't going to buy that unless they see bread lines.
They're less likely to buy that Obama's economy is glowing and Trump ruined it all if he starts out right now with data proving its not great, showing real unemployment etc. As is, he's letting them set the narrative and when things get worse -- as I'm certain they will at first at least -- he'll take it in the teeth.
They're less likely to buy that Obama's economy is glowing and Trump ruined it all if he starts out right now with data proving its not great, showing real unemployment etc. As is, he's letting them set the narrative and when things get worse -- as I'm certain they will at first at least -- he'll take it in the teeth.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 04:12 PM (39g3+)
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Obama Is Handing a Strong Economy to His Successor
So the NYT expects the economy to explode, just as I do, and they're getting the Party line straight in advance.
That means they KNOW leftists policies, such as Obongo's are bad for an economy, but they push them anyway.
Bastards.
So the NYT expects the economy to explode, just as I do, and they're getting the Party line straight in advance.
That means they KNOW leftists policies, such as Obongo's are bad for an economy, but they push them anyway.
Bastards.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 02, 2016 04:12 PM (SRKgf)
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Si, si! Left is cool.
Posted by: ¡:¡Jeb!! at December 02, 2016 04:12 PM (cJDvr)
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growth is NOW before he takes office. The news media I 100% guarantee will portray everything as Trump's fault starting last month, and portray Obama's economy as being Reagan years on steroids.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor a
He probably won't do it, but it would mark the start of the greatest presidency since Reagan if he would initiate a organizational audit of the entire Federal cancer. Top to bottom, measuring every aspect of it. Not just finances but metrics, effectiveness, mission goals versus results, etc. All of it.
Might take about a year, but the resulting report would lay bare the need for a much smaller Federal government for all to see.
And then he breaks out the chainsaws.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor a
He probably won't do it, but it would mark the start of the greatest presidency since Reagan if he would initiate a organizational audit of the entire Federal cancer. Top to bottom, measuring every aspect of it. Not just finances but metrics, effectiveness, mission goals versus results, etc. All of it.
Might take about a year, but the resulting report would lay bare the need for a much smaller Federal government for all to see.
And then he breaks out the chainsaws.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 02, 2016 04:12 PM (1G5R8)
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Yeah. Make no mistake the guy was a murderous tyrant, but he wasn't the kind that keeps the boot in the face forever. I think he saw his job as being one to permanently obliterate the corrupt evil left in his country, which meant a bloodbath and lots of people dear to the left in America died which set them on a tear. But I don't see him as being the type to build a throne of skulls like Pol Pot.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 04:02 PM (39g3+)
He reminds me of the Turkish military. Every few years, the military in Turkey goes okay that's enough, rolls in, there's a coup and then a few years later rolls out. Lather rinse repeat.
Which is why I have come around to the position that the last attempted "coup" in Turkey was no such thing but was Erdogan performing a purge. Everything that's happened afterwards supports that view.
Oh. Hey. There's that too. Turkey's up to the usual what hmm what's that why I have no idea where all those school teachers went tricks.
Reality. Is. Brutal. This notion that you can't fix things with weapons is just insane.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 04:02 PM (39g3+)
He reminds me of the Turkish military. Every few years, the military in Turkey goes okay that's enough, rolls in, there's a coup and then a few years later rolls out. Lather rinse repeat.
Which is why I have come around to the position that the last attempted "coup" in Turkey was no such thing but was Erdogan performing a purge. Everything that's happened afterwards supports that view.
Oh. Hey. There's that too. Turkey's up to the usual what hmm what's that why I have no idea where all those school teachers went tricks.
Reality. Is. Brutal. This notion that you can't fix things with weapons is just insane.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at December 02, 2016 04:12 PM (mf5HN)
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In 1983 a Soviet pilot shot down Korean Air flight 007, killing all 283
on board, and it was one of the hottest flashpoints of the Cold War
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Including...interestingly enough...one of the most important anti-communist congressmen of the time.
In 1983 a Soviet pilot shot down Korean Air flight 007, killing all 283
on board, and it was one of the hottest flashpoints of the Cold War
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Including...interestingly enough...one of the most important anti-communist congressmen of the time.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 02, 2016 04:12 PM (X7E8f)
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The populace in general isn't going to buy that unless they see bread lines.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 02, 2016 04:10 PM (IqV8l)
In the normally Democrat Rust Belt, they bought it enough to vote for Trump.
Heck, in my part of Cali, a non-leftist part of the Interior (yes, we still exist, we are just outnumbered), nearly 1/3 of the storefront space at my local shopping center is still vacant.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 02, 2016 04:10 PM (IqV8l)
In the normally Democrat Rust Belt, they bought it enough to vote for Trump.
Heck, in my part of Cali, a non-leftist part of the Interior (yes, we still exist, we are just outnumbered), nearly 1/3 of the storefront space at my local shopping center is still vacant.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 02, 2016 04:12 PM (ujg0T)
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Castro may have "outlasted" Presidents, but he's going to eternally be Saddam, Adolf, Josef and company's bitch, since he's low man on the totalitarian pole in Hell.
Posted by: Roy at December 02, 2016 04:13 PM (fWLrt)
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Fenelon, I really hope you get someone to cover
those two services for you. It's only 2 days away, and you probably
need to keep resting, don't you think?
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 03:57 PM (Zokmo)
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What bluebell said. I know how much doing a service takes out of a person. Sheesh Fen, if you're a goner, who's gonna kill us all?
those two services for you. It's only 2 days away, and you probably
need to keep resting, don't you think?
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 03:57 PM (Zokmo)
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What bluebell said. I know how much doing a service takes out of a person. Sheesh Fen, if you're a goner, who's gonna kill us all?
Posted by: grammie winger at December 02, 2016 04:13 PM (dFi94)
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116 During the Spanish civil War the NYT cheered for Franco, who was backed and equipped by Hitler. Kind of odd, because the leftist side was assisted by Stalin.
Posted by: sterling bell at December 02, 2016 04:11 PM (rEkRG)
Are you sure about that? Recall that all of the American volunteers (e.g., the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade") were basically Reds (with a sprinkling of the terminally naive mixed in), and lot of them came from New York.
Posted by: sterling bell at December 02, 2016 04:11 PM (rEkRG)
Are you sure about that? Recall that all of the American volunteers (e.g., the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade") were basically Reds (with a sprinkling of the terminally naive mixed in), and lot of them came from New York.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 02, 2016 04:14 PM (SRKgf)
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126 The populace in general isn't going to buy that unless they see bread lines.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 02, 2016 04:10 PM (IqV8l)
In the normally Democrat Rust Belt, they bought it enough to vote for Trump.
Heck, in my part of Cali, a non-leftist part of the Interior (yes, we still exist, we are just outnumbered), nearly 1/3 of the storefront space at my local shopping center is still vacant.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 02, 2016 04:12 PM (ujg0T)
Actually, I live on the edge of SoHo, one of the most expensive neighborhoods on an island of expensive neighborhoods and I'd say at least every 4th storefront is vacant. That ain't good.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 02, 2016 04:10 PM (IqV8l)
In the normally Democrat Rust Belt, they bought it enough to vote for Trump.
Heck, in my part of Cali, a non-leftist part of the Interior (yes, we still exist, we are just outnumbered), nearly 1/3 of the storefront space at my local shopping center is still vacant.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 02, 2016 04:12 PM (ujg0T)
Actually, I live on the edge of SoHo, one of the most expensive neighborhoods on an island of expensive neighborhoods and I'd say at least every 4th storefront is vacant. That ain't good.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 04:14 PM (mbhDw)
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Che was the real lunatic, too crazy even for Castro.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 02, 2016 04:07 PM (DW+jj)
I once met a Bolivian officer who claimed his father was the guy who killed Che Guevara.
His story is somewhat different than what is out there as the conventional wisdom on it, but not very different. I imagine a lot of Bolivians - especially those in the US for training - would have thought that it was a positive story to tell an American.
Also, before my divorce, I was related to Che by marriage.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 02, 2016 04:07 PM (DW+jj)
I once met a Bolivian officer who claimed his father was the guy who killed Che Guevara.
His story is somewhat different than what is out there as the conventional wisdom on it, but not very different. I imagine a lot of Bolivians - especially those in the US for training - would have thought that it was a positive story to tell an American.
Also, before my divorce, I was related to Che by marriage.
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 04:14 PM (tewYv)
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Reality. Is. Brutal. This notion that you can't fix things with weapons is just insane.
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Violence can solve almost EVERY problem. It just... usually creates a bunch of other new ones in polite society.
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Violence can solve almost EVERY problem. It just... usually creates a bunch of other new ones in polite society.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 04:14 PM (xeeHA)
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Hi, Bluebell
Thanks for your concern. You are very sweet. The problem is that there really is nobody else who can do the services . If I feel tired or week I can ask my husband to help out with things-except for preaching and officiating at communion.
Thanks for your concern. You are very sweet. The problem is that there really is nobody else who can do the services . If I feel tired or week I can ask my husband to help out with things-except for preaching and officiating at communion.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 04:15 PM (tOcW/)
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"So the NYT expects the economy to explode, just as I do, and they're getting the Party line straight in advance."
The stock markets have been hitting record highs as a final thankful commerative send-off to the Greatest Economic President we've ever had.
"We're down there. It's hot. We were sweating. Bugs everywhere. We're down there pushing, pushing, pushing on the car. Every once in a while we'd look up and see the Republicans standing there. They're just standing there fanning themselves -- sipping on a Slurpee."
The stock markets have been hitting record highs as a final thankful commerative send-off to the Greatest Economic President we've ever had.
"We're down there. It's hot. We were sweating. Bugs everywhere. We're down there pushing, pushing, pushing on the car. Every once in a while we'd look up and see the Republicans standing there. They're just standing there fanning themselves -- sipping on a Slurpee."
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 04:15 PM (SIY7D)
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In the normally Democrat Rust Belt, they bought it enough to vote for Trump.
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Anybody who's been out of work in the past eight years knows what's up. You can read the numbers, but when it takes you 6-9 months to find a job, it's pretty obvious what the actual state of things is.
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Anybody who's been out of work in the past eight years knows what's up. You can read the numbers, but when it takes you 6-9 months to find a job, it's pretty obvious what the actual state of things is.
Posted by: Farmer Joe at December 02, 2016 04:15 PM (zSMr0)
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A world of endless, totalitarian mediocrity.
Mediocrity is exactly what the participation prize mentality fosters. It takes the festering lumps in charge of the college classrooms to bring the totalitarian mindset to bear.
A world of endless, totalitarian mediocrity.
Mediocrity is exactly what the participation prize mentality fosters. It takes the festering lumps in charge of the college classrooms to bring the totalitarian mindset to bear.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Gob-Smacked Rage Monkeys (Suck It, NR!) at December 02, 2016 04:16 PM (wc+Nc)
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Reminds me of an episode of Anthony Bourdain's "No Reservations" show that my hubby likes. He went to Cuba, hung out with an old guy who left America to become a Cuban citizen 40+ years ago. They do the usual schmoozing about yummy local food, music, nightlife, and of course, the antique cars. Bourdain mentions Cuba's poor human rights, but then all but justifies it by mentioning their superior healthcare and baseball. Uh, OK, that makes in alllllll better.
Made our heads explode (not that we expected better from Bourdain).
Made our heads explode (not that we expected better from Bourdain).
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 04:16 PM (NOIQH)
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@68: "Those allies of his who were fanatical Nazis? Franco let them volunteer
to get killed on the Eastern Front. Not a bad move all things
considered."
Most of the committed anti-Communists in Europe joined the fighting on the Eastern Front, and most of them died. Kind of explains how Europe ended up as it currently is.....
to get killed on the Eastern Front. Not a bad move all things
considered."
Most of the committed anti-Communists in Europe joined the fighting on the Eastern Front, and most of them died. Kind of explains how Europe ended up as it currently is.....
Posted by: FaCubeItches at December 02, 2016 04:16 PM (rznWS)
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For some reason, I have a sudden hankering for biscuits. You know, the kind you make from dough in a tube that you whack on the edge of the counter.
That reminds me of a game my sister liked to play with me when we were little. She'd yell "Dough boy!" and slam my head against the counter edge.
Ahhh, the simple pleasures of youth.
That reminds me of a game my sister liked to play with me when we were little. She'd yell "Dough boy!" and slam my head against the counter edge.
Ahhh, the simple pleasures of youth.
Posted by: Joe Biden at December 02, 2016 04:17 PM (4WhSY)
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growth is NOW before he takes office. The news media I 100% guarantee will portray everything as Trump's fault starting last month, and portray Obama's economy as being Reagan years on steroids.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
The thing is? Trump won't take that shit lying down. He will freeze out the media, go around them to social media, and make the legacy media totally worthless.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
The thing is? Trump won't take that shit lying down. He will freeze out the media, go around them to social media, and make the legacy media totally worthless.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 04:17 PM (SgI6S)
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Jeanne Kirkpatrick made a 2-1/2 minute speech to the U.N. that still remains, to me, one of the finest speeches ever given in that chamber.
If you search you can find it on YouTube.
Posted by: the littl shyning man at December 02, 2016 04:08 PM (U6f54)
...A nice reminder that at one time, our government was headed by serious-minded people on both sides. *sigh*
If you search you can find it on YouTube.
Posted by: the littl shyning man at December 02, 2016 04:08 PM (U6f54)
...A nice reminder that at one time, our government was headed by serious-minded people on both sides. *sigh*
Posted by: LASue, extra deplorable in time for Christmas! at December 02, 2016 04:18 PM (R2dMB)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 04:18 PM (tOcW/)
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I saw Endless Totalitarian Mediocrity open for Front Line Assembly in 1993.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 04:19 PM (xeeHA)
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>>Che was the real lunatic, too crazy even for Castro.
Correct. Which is why Castro eventually sent Che on his world tour to spread the joys of communism.
Not to go tin-foil hatty, but I've often wondered if Fidel dimed my namesake in Bolivia.
Che Guevara had a lot of top spin on him, and wanted revolution everywhere. He was a threat to Castro because of that, and because he was much more charismatic. Sending him off to Angola, and the Bolivia, would get him out of Cuba. If Guevara had indicated a desire to return, I could imagine Castro dropping a dime on him to the Bolivians/CIA, converting a potential rival into an iconic martyr.
Correct. Which is why Castro eventually sent Che on his world tour to spread the joys of communism.
Not to go tin-foil hatty, but I've often wondered if Fidel dimed my namesake in Bolivia.
Che Guevara had a lot of top spin on him, and wanted revolution everywhere. He was a threat to Castro because of that, and because he was much more charismatic. Sending him off to Angola, and the Bolivia, would get him out of Cuba. If Guevara had indicated a desire to return, I could imagine Castro dropping a dime on him to the Bolivians/CIA, converting a potential rival into an iconic martyr.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 02, 2016 04:19 PM (SRKgf)
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All right, Fenelon, then we're just going to have to pray you through this, I guess! But really, please do take it easy as much as you can. Maybe you can beg off the blanket-making project tomorrow.
Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 04:19 PM (Zokmo)
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There's no double standard. Leftists love leftist regimes. They hate everything else. It's not their fault that all leftist regimes are brutal dictatorships that work to stamp out any and all sense of personal propriety. You have to take the bad with the good ... and when there's no good you have to just take the bad.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 02, 2016 04:20 PM (zc3Db)
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"Ummm, because all the evidence points to one shooter?"
Yes. But a single shooter with odd connections to Russia and Cuba.
Yes. But a single shooter with odd connections to Russia and Cuba.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 04:20 PM (SIY7D)
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Heck, in my part of Cali, a non-leftist part of the Interior (yes, we still exist, we are just outnumbered), nearly 1/3 of the storefront space at my local shopping center is still vacant.
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Actually, I live on the edge of SoHo, one of the most expensive neighborhoods on an island of expensive neighborhoods and I'd say at least every 4th storefront is vacant. That ain't good.
The "new normal?"
Heck, in my part of Cali, a non-leftist part of the Interior (yes, we still exist, we are just outnumbered), nearly 1/3 of the storefront space at my local shopping center is still vacant.
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Actually, I live on the edge of SoHo, one of the most expensive neighborhoods on an island of expensive neighborhoods and I'd say at least every 4th storefront is vacant. That ain't good.
The "new normal?"
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 02, 2016 04:20 PM (IqV8l)
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I think you are not very familiar with Shinseki. He was a SCOAMF before the SCOAMF was a SCOAMF. I had the distinct displeasure of being in the Army during the time he was in charge. Utter retardation and failure. Same thing when he was at the VA. Guy had no clue how to run anything.
Posted by: Wahshiya at December 02, 2016 04:09 PM (d9T8L)
That is kind of my point. I mean, he was Chief of Staff of the Army, one would think that would not be a position given to someone who was a total failure. And yet....
But not everyone would know that. They would look at that resume and go, yes, just the right guy for the VA. He was confirmed by voice vote so as far as we know it was unanimous. No Republican objected to him being head of the VA.
And yet it turned out to be an enormous cluster.
Posted by: Wahshiya at December 02, 2016 04:09 PM (d9T8L)
That is kind of my point. I mean, he was Chief of Staff of the Army, one would think that would not be a position given to someone who was a total failure. And yet....
But not everyone would know that. They would look at that resume and go, yes, just the right guy for the VA. He was confirmed by voice vote so as far as we know it was unanimous. No Republican objected to him being head of the VA.
And yet it turned out to be an enormous cluster.
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 04:20 PM (tewYv)
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Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 04:12 PM (SIY7D)
In the movie with Gary Cooper and Ingrid Bergman, which side were they on? I think it was For Whom the Bell Tolls.
In the movie with Gary Cooper and Ingrid Bergman, which side were they on? I think it was For Whom the Bell Tolls.
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 04:20 PM (jkmtt)
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Che Guevara had a lot of top spin on him, and wanted revolution everywhere. He was a threat to Castro because of that, and because he was much more charismatic. Sending him off to Angola, and the Bolivia, would get him out of Cuba. If Guevara had indicated a desire to return, I could imagine Castro dropping a dime on him to the Bolivians/CIA, converting a potential rival into an iconic martyr.
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If Castro didn't write the check that got him cashed, he definitely was HOPING something would happen to him when he sent him out-of-state.
You can't be President for Life when your right hand man is preaching forever-revolution.
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If Castro didn't write the check that got him cashed, he definitely was HOPING something would happen to him when he sent him out-of-state.
You can't be President for Life when your right hand man is preaching forever-revolution.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 04:20 PM (xeeHA)
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Is "Fiery apostle of revolution" like " the Pompatus of love"?
Posted by: tubal at December 02, 2016 04:20 PM (d6TTt)
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Made our heads explode (not that we expected better from Bourdain).
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 04:16 PM (NOIQH)
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Can't stand him. Several years ago I saw an episode where he was in the Middle East, Jordan, I think. The people in the streets were celebrating because they had successfully launched a missile into Israel. They wanted him to join their joyous revelry, and he thought he shouldn't, but then said something in the lines of, "Oh, what the hell?" *Spit*
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 04:16 PM (NOIQH)
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Can't stand him. Several years ago I saw an episode where he was in the Middle East, Jordan, I think. The people in the streets were celebrating because they had successfully launched a missile into Israel. They wanted him to join their joyous revelry, and he thought he shouldn't, but then said something in the lines of, "Oh, what the hell?" *Spit*
Posted by: washrivergal at December 02, 2016 04:21 PM (CFc5L)
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Not to go tin-foil hatty, but I've often wondered if Fidel dimed my namesake in Bolivia.
That's not tin-foil at all. Many have speculated that a martyred Che was better for Castro than a successful Che who would emerge as a rival later.
I thought he went to the Congo to try to help Lumumba, then Bolivia? Angola didn't erupt until 15 years later.
That's not tin-foil at all. Many have speculated that a martyred Che was better for Castro than a successful Che who would emerge as a rival later.
I thought he went to the Congo to try to help Lumumba, then Bolivia? Angola didn't erupt until 15 years later.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 02, 2016 04:21 PM (ujg0T)
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I'm still dead.
Posted by: Zombie Generalisimo Francisco Franco at December 02, 2016 04:22 PM (Tyii7)
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Jeanne Kirkpatrick made a 2-1/2 minute speech to the U.N. that still remains, to me, one of the finest speeches ever given in that chamber.
Posted by: the littl shyning man at December 02, 2016 04:08 PM (U6f54)
It might have been, but the only worthwhile speech taht could ever be given at the UN is a detailing of why that institution should not exist followed by a hearty "good bye and good riddance".
Posted by: the littl shyning man at December 02, 2016 04:08 PM (U6f54)
It might have been, but the only worthwhile speech taht could ever be given at the UN is a detailing of why that institution should not exist followed by a hearty "good bye and good riddance".
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 02, 2016 04:22 PM (zc3Db)
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>>Not to go tin-foil hatty, but I've often wondered if Fidel dimed my namesake in Bolivia.
I strongly suspect he did. He outlived his usefulness and was more useful to Castro as a martyr going forward. At the very least, he did nothing to try and save him.
It drives me crazy when I see people wearing Che t-shirts or putting up his picture. It's the moral equivalent of wearing a t-shirt with Hitler's face on it.
I strongly suspect he did. He outlived his usefulness and was more useful to Castro as a martyr going forward. At the very least, he did nothing to try and save him.
It drives me crazy when I see people wearing Che t-shirts or putting up his picture. It's the moral equivalent of wearing a t-shirt with Hitler's face on it.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 04:22 PM (/tuJf)
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Posted by: bluebell at December 02, 2016 04:19 PM (Zokmo)
Thanks. I greatly appreciate the prayers.
Thanks. I greatly appreciate the prayers.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 04:22 PM (tOcW/)
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I could imagine Castro dropping a dime on him to the Bolivians/CIA, converting a potential rival into an iconic martyr.
Pro tip: Never make yourself worth more dead than alive.
Pro tip: Never make yourself worth more dead than alive.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 02, 2016 04:22 PM (SgI6S)
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I thought he went to the Congo to try to help Lumumba, then Bolivia? Angola didn't erupt until 15 years later.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 02, 2016 04:21 PM (ujg0T)
You're probably right. I'd forgotten where exactly he went.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 02, 2016 04:21 PM (ujg0T)
You're probably right. I'd forgotten where exactly he went.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 02, 2016 04:22 PM (SRKgf)
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Actually, I live on the edge of SoHo, one of the most expensive neighborhoods on an island of expensive neighborhoods and I'd say at least every 4th storefront is vacant. That ain't good.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 04:14 PM (mbhDw)
I can't imagine how expensive it must be to open and operate a small business in Manhattan these days.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 04:14 PM (mbhDw)
I can't imagine how expensive it must be to open and operate a small business in Manhattan these days.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 02, 2016 04:23 PM (u0lmX)
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" I shouted out - who killed the Kennedy's?" - when after all, it was you and me--"
( From catchy lyrics, that all the stoners love).
( From catchy lyrics, that all the stoners love).
Posted by: tubal at December 02, 2016 04:23 PM (d6TTt)
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Speaking of Che, this is evergreen.
https://www.amazon.com/Che-Guevara-Douche-Bag-T-Shirt/dp/B017053VS0
https://www.amazon.com/Che-Guevara-Douche-Bag-T-Shirt/dp/B017053VS0
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 02, 2016 04:23 PM (xeeHA)
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In the movie with Gary Cooper and Ingrid Bergman, which side were they on? I think it was For Whom the Bell Tolls.
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 04:20 PM (jkmtt)
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They were on the side of freedom and justice!
Y'no, Stalinism.
In the movie with Gary Cooper and Ingrid Bergman, which side were they on? I think it was For Whom the Bell Tolls.
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 04:20 PM (jkmtt)
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They were on the side of freedom and justice!
Y'no, Stalinism.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 02, 2016 04:23 PM (Nox3c)
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What a day for Ace to step away from the HQ!
Amy Schumer announced as lead in live action Barbie movie...
Posted by: wooga at December 02, 2016 04:00 PM (PKZyN)
"We need more photo shop! More!"
"The computer can't take the strain, even CGI gets you only so far out of reality!"
"What? We have starfighters and talking robots! What do you mean CGI can't take it?"
"Cognitive dissonance in the AI! It's going to blow, it's going to blow!"
*computer explodes*
"Christ what a lousy computer! What type was it?"
"A Cray. Could send a probe to Mars and land it - couldn't make Amy Shumer thin."
Amy Schumer announced as lead in live action Barbie movie...
Posted by: wooga at December 02, 2016 04:00 PM (PKZyN)
"We need more photo shop! More!"
"The computer can't take the strain, even CGI gets you only so far out of reality!"
"What? We have starfighters and talking robots! What do you mean CGI can't take it?"
"Cognitive dissonance in the AI! It's going to blow, it's going to blow!"
*computer explodes*
"Christ what a lousy computer! What type was it?"
"A Cray. Could send a probe to Mars and land it - couldn't make Amy Shumer thin."
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 04:23 PM (hLRSq)
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Also starring Seth Rogen, as Ken.
Posted by: pep at December 02, 2016 04:12 PM (LAe3v)
ITS FUNNY BECAUSE SETH ROGAN HAS NO DICK.
Posted by: pep at December 02, 2016 04:12 PM (LAe3v)
ITS FUNNY BECAUSE SETH ROGAN HAS NO DICK.
Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at December 02, 2016 04:23 PM (PRtT5)
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This morning Tamron Hall's cleavage was heaving as she badmouthed Maddog and Trump. It was exquisite.
Hey Tamron... MADDOG! TRUMP!
Somebody throw a bucket of ice water on her and zoom in on the chest, please.
No? *switches channel*
Hey Tamron... MADDOG! TRUMP!
Somebody throw a bucket of ice water on her and zoom in on the chest, please.
No? *switches channel*
Posted by: wth at December 02, 2016 04:23 PM (HgMAr)
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148
Heck, in my part of Cali, a non-leftist part of the Interior (yes, we still exist, we are just outnumbered), nearly 1/3 of the storefront space at my local shopping center is still vacant.
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The "new normal?"
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 02, 2016 04:20 PM (IqV8l)
That is how my local rag, the Sacramento Bee (Ess) tries to depict it. "Suburbia's days are over, go New Urbanist downtown", that sort of crap.
Heck, in my part of Cali, a non-leftist part of the Interior (yes, we still exist, we are just outnumbered), nearly 1/3 of the storefront space at my local shopping center is still vacant.
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The "new normal?"
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 02, 2016 04:20 PM (IqV8l)
That is how my local rag, the Sacramento Bee (Ess) tries to depict it. "Suburbia's days are over, go New Urbanist downtown", that sort of crap.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 02, 2016 04:24 PM (ujg0T)
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>>I thought he went to the Congo to try to help Lumumba, then Bolivia? Angola didn't erupt until 15 years later.
He did. The really ironic thing about Che was that he was an awful guerrilla fighter. Totally inept. Pretty much the only people he killed were prisoners he shot in the head with his trusty .45.
He did. The really ironic thing about Che was that he was an awful guerrilla fighter. Totally inept. Pretty much the only people he killed were prisoners he shot in the head with his trusty .45.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 04:24 PM (/tuJf)
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Made our heads explode (not that we expected better from Bourdain).
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 04:16 PM (NOIQH)
Anthony Bourdain is an admitted liberal asshole. I enjoy his shows when they skirt politics but more and more he has gone head first in Duranty-esque anti-American agitprop.
Even here, when he went to Detroit, he was bemoaning what happened to the city, and standing in front of what was the Packard factory had no idea why it went tits up and turned into Bartertown on the Rouge.
Here's a clue, hash-slinger: Democrat/Leftist policy and control for 50 + Years.
Remind you of a country in the Caribbean, Tony???
Made our heads explode (not that we expected better from Bourdain).
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 04:16 PM (NOIQH)
Anthony Bourdain is an admitted liberal asshole. I enjoy his shows when they skirt politics but more and more he has gone head first in Duranty-esque anti-American agitprop.
Even here, when he went to Detroit, he was bemoaning what happened to the city, and standing in front of what was the Packard factory had no idea why it went tits up and turned into Bartertown on the Rouge.
Here's a clue, hash-slinger: Democrat/Leftist policy and control for 50 + Years.
Remind you of a country in the Caribbean, Tony???
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 04:24 PM (mbhDw)
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It drives me crazy when I see people wearing Che t-shirts or putting up his picture. It's the moral equivalent of wearing a t-shirt with Hitler's face on it.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 04:22 PM (/tuJf)
I've likened him to Himmler. They were both the boss man's executioners.
UCSD has a burger joint on campus called the "Che Cafe." I mentioned it should have been renamed the "Himmler Hut."
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 04:22 PM (/tuJf)
I've likened him to Himmler. They were both the boss man's executioners.
UCSD has a burger joint on campus called the "Che Cafe." I mentioned it should have been renamed the "Himmler Hut."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 02, 2016 04:24 PM (SRKgf)
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Small businesses have been hit hard since 2008, including because of government policies. Small banks got killed by Dodd-Frank, even though they didn't cause the 2008 crisis.
Trump sees himself as a Big small businessman.
Enabling small business is critical to Making America Great Again.
Trump sees himself as a Big small businessman.
Enabling small business is critical to Making America Great Again.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 04:25 PM (SIY7D)
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Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 02, 2016 04:23 PM (Nox3c)
I should have known.
Hemingway
I should have known.
Hemingway
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 04:25 PM (jkmtt)
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So Amy Schumer is gonna play the role of Barbie.
Well, Fat Barbie is all inclusive 'n shit, so
Well, Fat Barbie is all inclusive 'n shit, so
Posted by: tubal at December 02, 2016 04:25 PM (d6TTt)
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167 Posted by: wth at December 02, 2016 04:23 PM (HgMAr)
I once had a Tamron telephoto lens. It sucked.
I once had a Tamron telephoto lens. It sucked.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 04:25 PM (mbhDw)
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I used to dance the Lumumba quite well.
Posted by: Smokin' Uncle Joe Biden at December 02, 2016 04:26 PM (Tyii7)
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174 So Amy Schumer is gonna play the role of Barbie.
Well, Fat Barbie is all inclusive 'n shit, so
Posted by: tubal at December 02, 2016 04:25 PM (d6TTt)
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She does have a plastic brain-head for the part.
Well, Fat Barbie is all inclusive 'n shit, so
Posted by: tubal at December 02, 2016 04:25 PM (d6TTt)
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She does have a plastic brain-head for the part.
Posted by: washrivergal at December 02, 2016 04:26 PM (CFc5L)
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Anthony Bourdain is an admitted liberal asshole.
He is so cringible he makes the ordinary metrosexual look like that guy who does the "Do You Even Lift?" vids.
He is so cringible he makes the ordinary metrosexual look like that guy who does the "Do You Even Lift?" vids.
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 04:27 PM (jkmtt)
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@blaster
I saw your later posts after I posted, I missed where you were headed. We are totally on the same page, guy looks good on paper but in reality...
I saw your later posts after I posted, I missed where you were headed. We are totally on the same page, guy looks good on paper but in reality...
Posted by: Wahshiya at December 02, 2016 04:27 PM (d9T8L)
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178 Anthony Bourdain is an admitted liberal asshole.
He is so cringible he makes the ordinary metrosexual look like that guy who does the "Do You Even Lift?" vids.
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 04:27 PM (jkmtt)
Reminds me of the smug assholes we used to beat up in high school. Still has that same attitude.
He is so cringible he makes the ordinary metrosexual look like that guy who does the "Do You Even Lift?" vids.
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 04:27 PM (jkmtt)
Reminds me of the smug assholes we used to beat up in high school. Still has that same attitude.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 04:27 PM (mbhDw)
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"Bourdain mentions Cuba's poor human rights, but then all but justifies it by mentioning their superior healthcare and baseball."
Prisoners in the US get free health care and exercise too.
Prisoners in the US get free health care and exercise too.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Give the Gift of Griping with a Fine Prfidious Present from the Outrage Outlet! at December 02, 2016 04:28 PM (hLRSq)
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#1- How can we lose another 100 million dollars along with consumer confidence?
#2- We could cast Amy Schumer in a live action Barbie flick with extra explosions.
#1 and #2- *evil laughter*
#2- We could cast Amy Schumer in a live action Barbie flick with extra explosions.
#1 and #2- *evil laughter*
Posted by: Hollywood Overlords at December 02, 2016 04:28 PM (sFofr)
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At first I read that as "Meghan Mccain is going to play Barbie" and she really would have been too heavy, but Amy-She's not that big. They can get her trimmed down in time for a movie.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 04:28 PM (tOcW/)
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>>I've likened him to Himmler. They were both the boss man's executioners.
That's probably a better analogy. Or Lavrentiy Beria. It was the Soviets who trained the Cuban secret police after all.
That's probably a better analogy. Or Lavrentiy Beria. It was the Soviets who trained the Cuban secret police after all.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 04:28 PM (/tuJf)
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I once had a Tamron telephoto lens. It sucked.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 04:25 PM (mbhDw)
...........
Was it hidden in her bathroom or her bedroom?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 04:25 PM (mbhDw)
...........
Was it hidden in her bathroom or her bedroom?
Posted by: wth at December 02, 2016 04:29 PM (HgMAr)
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I have gotten the impression that Czar Nicholas II wasn't that bad a guy. By the standards of the time he seems to have been reasonably enlightened and well-meaning by the standards of that time. He was however, incompetent. Being an incompetent ruler is far more hazardous to your health than being despotic.
Posted by: Bill at December 02, 2016 04:29 PM (/ZE0U)
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176 I used to dance the Lumumba quite well.
Posted by: Smokin' Uncle Joe Biden at December 02, 2016 04:26 PM (Tyii7)
I won a Limbo contest once upon a time.
I was drunk and high at the time.
The prize was a quart of Bombay Sapphire Gin.
My early years were a blur.
Posted by: Smokin' Uncle Joe Biden at December 02, 2016 04:26 PM (Tyii7)
I won a Limbo contest once upon a time.
I was drunk and high at the time.
The prize was a quart of Bombay Sapphire Gin.
My early years were a blur.
Posted by: tubal at December 02, 2016 04:29 PM (d6TTt)
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185
Was it hidden in her bathroom or her bedroom?
Posted by: wth at December 02, 2016 04:29 PM (HgMAr)
That's Tamron, not Tampon. Anyway, that name plus Katy Tur is just begging to be ridiculed.
Was it hidden in her bathroom or her bedroom?
Posted by: wth at December 02, 2016 04:29 PM (HgMAr)
That's Tamron, not Tampon. Anyway, that name plus Katy Tur is just begging to be ridiculed.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 04:30 PM (mbhDw)
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It drives me crazy when I see people wearing Che t-shirts or putting up his picture. It's the moral equivalent of wearing a t-shirt with Hitler's face on it.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 04:22 PM (/tuJf)
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Che looked a lot like Charles Manson.
Thought a lot like him too.
Except you have to give credit to Che over both Manson and Hitler. Those wimps had other people do all of their killing. Che liked to man the guns himself.
Maybe that's part of the appeal to intellectualoid lefties.
Remember Mrs. Bill Ayers was the one who thought Manson was groovy. And there were even lefties who thought Osama Bin Laden was a sexy, "courageous" hero.
It drives me crazy when I see people wearing Che t-shirts or putting up his picture. It's the moral equivalent of wearing a t-shirt with Hitler's face on it.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 04:22 PM (/tuJf)
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Che looked a lot like Charles Manson.
Thought a lot like him too.
Except you have to give credit to Che over both Manson and Hitler. Those wimps had other people do all of their killing. Che liked to man the guns himself.
Maybe that's part of the appeal to intellectualoid lefties.
Remember Mrs. Bill Ayers was the one who thought Manson was groovy. And there were even lefties who thought Osama Bin Laden was a sexy, "courageous" hero.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 02, 2016 04:30 PM (Nox3c)
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186 I have gotten the impression that Czar Nicholas II wasn't that bad a guy. By the standards of the time he seems to have been reasonably enlightened and well-meaning by the standards of that time. He was however, incompetent. Being an incompetent ruler is far more hazardous to your health than being despotic.
Posted by: Bill at December 02, 2016 04:29 PM (/ZE0U)
Between him and Kaiser Bill, who was more pigheaded?
Yes, this requires a whole new thread....
Posted by: Bill at December 02, 2016 04:29 PM (/ZE0U)
Between him and Kaiser Bill, who was more pigheaded?
Yes, this requires a whole new thread....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 02, 2016 04:30 PM (ujg0T)
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about yummy local food, music, nightlife, and of course, the antique cars. Bourdain mentions Cuba's poor human rights, but then all but justifies it by mentioning their superior healthcare and baseball.
In a way these guys don't have much choice. Its the only way they get access to crapholes to do a local color show. If they told the truth, they'd never get into a dump like Cuba again. Trying to film it, they might not even get out alive.
In a way these guys don't have much choice. Its the only way they get access to crapholes to do a local color show. If they told the truth, they'd never get into a dump like Cuba again. Trying to film it, they might not even get out alive.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 04:30 PM (39g3+)
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I like the casual "brink of nuclear war" phrase the Time dropped in it's paean of praise to Fidel.
The Times casually tossed it out there, no big deal, it was consequential, but, didn't really happen, so no matter, right?
But these are the same people that like to relive the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ad infinitum and proclaim how unnecessary it was to drop such an inhuman and terrible device on a city.
The Times casually tossed it out there, no big deal, it was consequential, but, didn't really happen, so no matter, right?
But these are the same people that like to relive the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ad infinitum and proclaim how unnecessary it was to drop such an inhuman and terrible device on a city.
Posted by: Blake at December 02, 2016 04:31 PM (WEBkv)
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I've read several long pieces on the history of Che and his Bolivian Waterloo, but can't remember shit about it. I do remember speculation Castro did want him dead, martyr and all rather than lunatic rival and all that.
I think Che was likely a clinical psychopath. He liked killing, and would talk about how much it got him off. Rather than going the serial killer route, he went the Communist revolutionary route.
And something else I didn't know until a few days ago. Ernest Hemingway was a big Casto fan (and likely on the KGB payroll). He was a guest of honor at Che's firing squads, described as sitting in one of those wicker Veranda type chairs sipping cocktails and watching Che gleefully line 'em and shoot 'em.
I think Che was likely a clinical psychopath. He liked killing, and would talk about how much it got him off. Rather than going the serial killer route, he went the Communist revolutionary route.
And something else I didn't know until a few days ago. Ernest Hemingway was a big Casto fan (and likely on the KGB payroll). He was a guest of honor at Che's firing squads, described as sitting in one of those wicker Veranda type chairs sipping cocktails and watching Che gleefully line 'em and shoot 'em.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 02, 2016 04:31 PM (DW+jj)
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Anthony Bourdain is an admitted liberal asshole.
............
Maybe he should go back on the heroin or something.
............
Maybe he should go back on the heroin or something.
Posted by: wth at December 02, 2016 04:31 PM (HgMAr)
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191 In a way these guys don't have much choice. Its the only way they get access to crapholes to do a local color show. If they told the truth, they'd never get into a dump like Cuba again. Trying to film it, they might not even get out alive.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 04:30 PM (39g3+)
See me at 178. He's even more smug, snide and anti-American when he's still in the USA.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 04:30 PM (39g3+)
See me at 178. He's even more smug, snide and anti-American when he's still in the USA.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 04:31 PM (mbhDw)
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Che hit Bolivia thinking revolution, but the big American mining operations were paying people the best salary they had ever had. The people ratted his ass out. Then we dropped a SF team in to coordinate the hunt, and the only thing left was where to mount his sorry ass.
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183 At first I read that as "Meghan Mccain is going to play Barbie" and she really would have been too heavy, but Amy-She's not that big. They can get her trimmed down in time for a movie.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 04:28 PM (tOcW/)
What will they do with that face?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 04:28 PM (tOcW/)
What will they do with that face?
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 02, 2016 04:32 PM (sFofr)
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saw your later posts after I posted, I missed where you were headed. We are totally on the same page, guy looks good on paper but in reality...
Posted by: Wahshiya at December 02, 2016 04:27 PM (d9T8L)
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In reality he should have been bitch slapped
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Posted by: Wahshiya at December 02, 2016 04:27 PM (d9T8L)
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In reality he should have been bitch slapped
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Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 02, 2016 04:32 PM (sUIwD)
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>>Maybe that's part of the appeal to intellectualoid lefties.
Remember Mrs. Bill Ayers was the one who thought Manson was groovy. And there were even lefties who thought Osama Bin Laden was a sexy, "courageous" hero.
And people say we're paranoid kooks when we say the left wants us dead.
Remember Mrs. Bill Ayers was the one who thought Manson was groovy. And there were even lefties who thought Osama Bin Laden was a sexy, "courageous" hero.
And people say we're paranoid kooks when we say the left wants us dead.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 04:33 PM (/tuJf)
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193 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 02, 2016 04:31 PM (DW+jj)
If he wasn't a commie and an untermensch, they'd have put him in charge of the Einsatzgruppen.
If he wasn't a commie and an untermensch, they'd have put him in charge of the Einsatzgruppen.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 04:33 PM (mbhDw)
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What will they do wih that face?
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 02, 2016 04:32 PM (sFofr)
I saw a commercial for something they can inject to get rid of double chin.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 02, 2016 04:32 PM (sFofr)
I saw a commercial for something they can inject to get rid of double chin.
Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2016 04:33 PM (tewYv)
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There's a good TV movie about Carlos the Jackal, the 1970s terrorist. A kindred spirit to Che. Played a revolutionary, but got off on being a psychopathic killer.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 04:33 PM (SIY7D)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 04:34 PM (mbhDw)
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Does the NYT piece mention all the disappointed meat hooks that were pining for Fidel.
Posted by: Jean at December 02, 2016 04:34 PM (ulP1p)
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 02, 2016 04:34 PM (sFofr)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 02, 2016 04:35 PM (4WhSY)
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196 Che hit Bolivia thinking revolution, but the big American mining operations were paying people the best salary they had ever had. The people ratted his ass out. Then we dropped a SF team in to coordinate the hunt, and the only thing left was where to mount his sorry ass.
Posted by: Jean at December 02, 2016 04:32 PM (ulP1p)
Right here.
Posted by: Jean at December 02, 2016 04:32 PM (ulP1p)
Right here.
Posted by: Barbed Cock of Satan at December 02, 2016 04:35 PM (mbhDw)
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He's even more smug, snide and anti-American when he's still in the USA.
Oh yeah, Bourdain is an anti-US leftist putz with a diamond earring and 1000 dollar haircut pretending to schmooze with the locals. The show on Cambodia was 20 minutes of him talking to people claiming everything that ever went wrong was because of the USA.
Oh yeah, Bourdain is an anti-US leftist putz with a diamond earring and 1000 dollar haircut pretending to schmooze with the locals. The show on Cambodia was 20 minutes of him talking to people claiming everything that ever went wrong was because of the USA.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 04:35 PM (39g3+)
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Pinochet's crimes were brutal because the people he killed were known to the friends and colleagues of the mainstream media reporters, publishers and editors. The communists he killed were from the same class as the staff of the New York Times. The Chilean Military was not of that class.
Compare and contrast with the thousands of peasants living in the mountains of Peru killed by Shining Path guerillas.
It is all a class thing.
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Correctamente.
From their elitist perspective, Pinochet didn't just give Allende the " bum's rush" --- he murdered (maybe it was suicide under duress, but what ev) a nice leftist doctor/politician, someone the NYT crowd could easily identify with.
Unforgivable.
Compare and contrast with the thousands of peasants living in the mountains of Peru killed by Shining Path guerillas.
It is all a class thing.
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Correctamente.
From their elitist perspective, Pinochet didn't just give Allende the " bum's rush" --- he murdered (maybe it was suicide under duress, but what ev) a nice leftist doctor/politician, someone the NYT crowd could easily identify with.
Unforgivable.
Posted by: Noam Sayen at December 02, 2016 04:36 PM (611Lm)
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There's a good TV movie about Carlos the Jackal, the 1970s terrorist. A kindred spirit to Che. Played a revolutionary, but got off on being a psychopathic killer.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 04:33 PM (SIY7D)
Thankfully, Carlos was pretty much of a bust. He sucked at being a terrorist, but he got great PR.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 02, 2016 04:33 PM (SIY7D)
Thankfully, Carlos was pretty much of a bust. He sucked at being a terrorist, but he got great PR.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 02, 2016 04:36 PM (zc3Db)
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ut Amy-She's not that big. They can get her trimmed down in time for a movie.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 04:28 PM (tOcW/)
Negative.
Schumer is not the prayerful type. She doesn't believe in divine intervention or miracles.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 04:28 PM (tOcW/)
Negative.
Schumer is not the prayerful type. She doesn't believe in divine intervention or miracles.
Posted by: kallisto at December 02, 2016 04:36 PM (jkmtt)
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#1- How can we lose another 100 million dollars along with consumer confidence?
#2- We could cast Amy Schumer in a live action Barbie flick with extra explosions.
#1 and #2- *evil laughter*
Posted by: Hollywood Overlords at December 02, 2016 04:28 PM (sFofr)
Wait, are you the same guys who gave us the all-girl reboot of Ghostbusters?
#2- We could cast Amy Schumer in a live action Barbie flick with extra explosions.
#1 and #2- *evil laughter*
Posted by: Hollywood Overlords at December 02, 2016 04:28 PM (sFofr)
Wait, are you the same guys who gave us the all-girl reboot of Ghostbusters?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 02, 2016 04:36 PM (PRtT5)
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Pinochet's "crime" was putting down Allende's attempt to take his minority government and pull a Castro.
Allende's followers started killing "class enemies", and when the police, judges, and the cogress there tried to punish the killers, he would just blanket pardon them, and they would go out and kill some more.
After enough bloodshed, Pinochet was asked to take over by the majority in their congress.
He gave the viscious little leftists a choice: exile or death. The ones who chose exile got fully paid emmigration to Sweden or other countires that would take them. The die-hards got Helicopter rides into the Pacific.
He was completely up front about what he would do to any Marxists who continued practicing their politics in Chile.
When he finally lost one of his four year plebicites, he announce elections for the following year, resigned after the elections, and retired.
Allende's followers started killing "class enemies", and when the police, judges, and the cogress there tried to punish the killers, he would just blanket pardon them, and they would go out and kill some more.
After enough bloodshed, Pinochet was asked to take over by the majority in their congress.
He gave the viscious little leftists a choice: exile or death. The ones who chose exile got fully paid emmigration to Sweden or other countires that would take them. The die-hards got Helicopter rides into the Pacific.
He was completely up front about what he would do to any Marxists who continued practicing their politics in Chile.
When he finally lost one of his four year plebicites, he announce elections for the following year, resigned after the elections, and retired.
Posted by: Kristophr at December 02, 2016 04:36 PM (jLXo8)
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Harumpf. I should be the live action Barbie.
Posted by: Rosa DeLorean at December 02, 2016 04:36 PM (Tyii7)
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I kind of liked when he beat up on Sandra Lee and Rachel Ray but that gets old.
I kind of liked when he beat up on Sandra Lee and Rachel Ray but that gets old.
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Is it any wonder that the vast majority of our HS and college age youth worship these people? The media, who is made up of people who are chronicalogically one decade from the youth, but mentally may be on par or below their age, makes all of these dictators sound so romantic, so strong and resilient against all the bullies in the world and so "of the people".
They lie because they believe all this themselves.
On the topic of the media. was just reading the continuing harassment of Chip and Joanna Gains of HGTV. Buzzfeed is now demanding that they feature a gay couple on their show to prove they are not homophobic.
I can see the set up coming now. Gay boys and girls will be recruited to apply to the show.
I've read the requirements to employ the Gaines, they don't exist because of the show, they have a viable home building and remodeling company in Waco that they have owned for years and Joanna has owned a home accessory shop for quite some time.
You can hire them outside of the show to build a home. Regardless, you have to be building or remodeling within 30 minutes of Waco and have the financial means and approval to finance your project. Getting on the show is not getting you a free home, all you are getting from the show is the Gaines, including Joanna's designs and the opportunity to purchase all the furniture, accessories, etc. that she stages the home with.
The show has remodeled homes for interracial couples and single moms. A bachelor that Chip knew somehow had a home remodeled. I can't imagine there are tons of gay couples ready to build or buy a house in Waco. And so what if there are.
It's the Gaines' right to enter into a contract with whom they wish. This frickin idea that simply because a person is gay they now have special rights no one else has needs to be destroyed.
They lie because they believe all this themselves.
On the topic of the media. was just reading the continuing harassment of Chip and Joanna Gains of HGTV. Buzzfeed is now demanding that they feature a gay couple on their show to prove they are not homophobic.
I can see the set up coming now. Gay boys and girls will be recruited to apply to the show.
I've read the requirements to employ the Gaines, they don't exist because of the show, they have a viable home building and remodeling company in Waco that they have owned for years and Joanna has owned a home accessory shop for quite some time.
You can hire them outside of the show to build a home. Regardless, you have to be building or remodeling within 30 minutes of Waco and have the financial means and approval to finance your project. Getting on the show is not getting you a free home, all you are getting from the show is the Gaines, including Joanna's designs and the opportunity to purchase all the furniture, accessories, etc. that she stages the home with.
The show has remodeled homes for interracial couples and single moms. A bachelor that Chip knew somehow had a home remodeled. I can't imagine there are tons of gay couples ready to build or buy a house in Waco. And so what if there are.
It's the Gaines' right to enter into a contract with whom they wish. This frickin idea that simply because a person is gay they now have special rights no one else has needs to be destroyed.
Posted by: Jen at December 02, 2016 04:36 PM (be9L9)
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Dictatorship is a quick and swift solution - it just often creates more problems than it solves. Hence the eternal allure of the Hobbesian "sovereign," the dictator who works only in the best interests of everybody. But how often has that actually happened? The closest was probably Cincinnatus, who voluntarily stepped down after solving the crisis that necessitated he take over emergency powers.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 02, 2016 04:37 PM (kumBu)
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He did. The really ironic thing about Che was that
he was an awful guerrilla fighter. Totally inept. Pretty much the only
people he killed were prisoners he shot in the head with his trusty .45.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 04:24 PM (/tuJf)
His theory, called the "foco" theory of guerrilla warfare, was a failure everywhere it was tried. The gist of it was that rather than waiting for the conditions to be right for a revolution, then converting the mass discontent to armed insurrection, the very existence of a "foco" of armed resistance would create a popular uprising. In other words, the revolution could be started by a small group of committed revolutionaries, such as, say, the SLA or the Baader-Meinhof Gang. You have to give him credit, though, he went to his death trying to prove himself right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foco
he was an awful guerrilla fighter. Totally inept. Pretty much the only
people he killed were prisoners he shot in the head with his trusty .45.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 02, 2016 04:24 PM (/tuJf)
His theory, called the "foco" theory of guerrilla warfare, was a failure everywhere it was tried. The gist of it was that rather than waiting for the conditions to be right for a revolution, then converting the mass discontent to armed insurrection, the very existence of a "foco" of armed resistance would create a popular uprising. In other words, the revolution could be started by a small group of committed revolutionaries, such as, say, the SLA or the Baader-Meinhof Gang. You have to give him credit, though, he went to his death trying to prove himself right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foco
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 02, 2016 04:38 PM (jK8Z7)
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214 Posted by: Kristophr at December 02, 2016 04:36 PM (jLXo
Funny. Bill DeBolshevik is taking some heat here in Hymietown for his recent penchant for using NYPD helicopters.
Funny. Bill DeBolshevik is taking some heat here in Hymietown for his recent penchant for using NYPD helicopters.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2016 04:38 PM (mbhDw)
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Mexican weather girl Yanet Garcia for live action Barbie.
If I was some Latin American maximum leader, you wouldn't need to worry about firing squads and terror. The babes would keep me more than occupied in the presidential palace.
If I was some Latin American maximum leader, you wouldn't need to worry about firing squads and terror. The babes would keep me more than occupied in the presidential palace.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 02, 2016 04:38 PM (DW+jj)
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I don't always eat Ropa Vieja, but when I do I shoot up first.
Posted by: Anthony Bourdain at December 02, 2016 04:39 PM (HgMAr)
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>>At first I read that as "Meghan Mccain is going to play Barbie" and she
really would have been too heavy, but Amy-She's not that big. They can
get her trimmed down in time for a movie.
Sure, they could get her to slim down, however....who is this movie going to be marketed to? I'm thinking tween girls. If I had tween girls I would *not* want the uber-feminist comic whose stand-up is known for reveling in her sluttiness thrown into a 'role model' movie role.
Fenolon, not your cup of tea, but if you've seen Amy's "Trainwreck" you weep for the young women of today (and the men who date them): Amy is the perfect example of how feminism has turned them into self-loathing, self-defeating monsters.
really would have been too heavy, but Amy-She's not that big. They can
get her trimmed down in time for a movie.
Sure, they could get her to slim down, however....who is this movie going to be marketed to? I'm thinking tween girls. If I had tween girls I would *not* want the uber-feminist comic whose stand-up is known for reveling in her sluttiness thrown into a 'role model' movie role.
Fenolon, not your cup of tea, but if you've seen Amy's "Trainwreck" you weep for the young women of today (and the men who date them): Amy is the perfect example of how feminism has turned them into self-loathing, self-defeating monsters.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 02, 2016 04:39 PM (NOIQH)
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I kind of liked when he beat up on Sandra Lee and Rachel Ray but that gets old.
Yeah I liked his early persona of being the guy from the hood who hated show biz and ripped on crappy chefs, but... he's kinda fey and emasculated and I can't stand his style of cooking (french chef crap) and he's clearly a hardcore leftist who dislikes the country that has made him so wealthy.
Yeah I liked his early persona of being the guy from the hood who hated show biz and ripped on crappy chefs, but... he's kinda fey and emasculated and I can't stand his style of cooking (french chef crap) and he's clearly a hardcore leftist who dislikes the country that has made him so wealthy.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 04:39 PM (39g3+)
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Just between you and me ...
... when Progressives next find themselves in power, and sooner or later they will, I expect they'll do what they always do. Push harder than the last time they were in power. It's what they do.
Well ... I ain't playin' along. Don't give a damn if they do win at the ballot box - even if it's fair and square.
... when Progressives next find themselves in power, and sooner or later they will, I expect they'll do what they always do. Push harder than the last time they were in power. It's what they do.
Well ... I ain't playin' along. Don't give a damn if they do win at the ballot box - even if it's fair and square.
Posted by: ScoggDog at December 02, 2016 04:39 PM (QDpP5)
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Oh, and Allende ate the barrel of his own AK-47 when the Chilean Army caught up with him. Just icing on the cake.
Posted by: Kristophr at December 02, 2016 04:39 PM (jLXo8)
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218
Dictatorship is a quick and swift solution - it just often creates more
problems than it solves. Hence the eternal allure of the Hobbesian
"sovereign," the dictator who works only in the best interests of
everybody. But how often has that actually happened? The closest was
probably Cincinnatus, who voluntarily stepped down after solving the
crisis that necessitated he take over emergency powers.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 02, 2016 04:37 PM (kumBu)
He wasn't the only one. The Roman Republic used dictators a lot, but they only had a six-month term, usually during wartime.
Dictatorship is a quick and swift solution - it just often creates more
problems than it solves. Hence the eternal allure of the Hobbesian
"sovereign," the dictator who works only in the best interests of
everybody. But how often has that actually happened? The closest was
probably Cincinnatus, who voluntarily stepped down after solving the
crisis that necessitated he take over emergency powers.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 02, 2016 04:37 PM (kumBu)
He wasn't the only one. The Roman Republic used dictators a lot, but they only had a six-month term, usually during wartime.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 02, 2016 04:40 PM (jK8Z7)
Posted by: The guy with the hair at December 02, 2016 04:40 PM (sUIwD)
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206 Jessica Biel was born to play the live action Barbie movie.
There is no contest here.
Posted by: Pepe
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I was thinking Ainsley Earhardt, but I'm not going to squabble about details...
There is no contest here.
Posted by: Pepe
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I was thinking Ainsley Earhardt, but I'm not going to squabble about details...
Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 02, 2016 04:40 PM (I7I0v)
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I'm guessing that the Barbie movie will be a "body-consciousness"/Grrrrl power sermon pitched as a nostalgia piece for 30-something hipsters. Meaning it will be a disaster and make no money.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 02, 2016 04:40 PM (39g3+)
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Hey Fenelon, was it a heart thing?
I'll pray for your health.
I'll pray for your health.
Posted by: @votermom's phone at December 02, 2016 04:40 PM (AQWos)
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"Bourdain mentions Cuba's poor human rights, but then all but justifies it by mentioning their superior healthcare and baseball."
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What superior healthcare? For 85% of the country this is a joke. You go to the hospital in Cuba and you have to bring your own bed linens and pillow --- and aspirin --- and in some places, water. If it weren't for the black market in things like penicillin, it would be a disaster.
It wasn't good before the Russians pulled their money out, but it's really been a mess since then.
That article in the sidebar on Venezuela's hospitals?
I can't see why there would be complaining. It's all free!!!!
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What superior healthcare? For 85% of the country this is a joke. You go to the hospital in Cuba and you have to bring your own bed linens and pillow --- and aspirin --- and in some places, water. If it weren't for the black market in things like penicillin, it would be a disaster.
It wasn't good before the Russians pulled their money out, but it's really been a mess since then.
That article in the sidebar on Venezuela's hospitals?
I can't see why there would be complaining. It's all free!!!!
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 02, 2016 04:41 PM (Nox3c)
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Blaster, when I was teaching at soa, one of the other instructors was on the team sent down for the hunt. It wasn't American guns, it was cash and radio's.
Posted by: Jean at December 02, 2016 04:42 PM (ulP1p)
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Mattel is beyond stupid if it lets Amy Schumet near its flagship brand.
Posted by: @votermom's phone at December 02, 2016 04:42 PM (AQWos)
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"Maybe he should go back on the heroin or something.
Posted by: wth at December 02, 2016 04:31 PM (HgMAr) "
He needs to be more like Andrew Zimmern - a fun ex-smack junkie who doesn't mix in politics with his food shows.
Posted by: wth at December 02, 2016 04:31 PM (HgMAr) "
He needs to be more like Andrew Zimmern - a fun ex-smack junkie who doesn't mix in politics with his food shows.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 02, 2016 04:42 PM (kumBu)
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Posted by: @votermom's phone at December 02, 2016 04:40 PM (AQWos)
My heart seems to be o.k. even though I thought I was having a heart attack. Thx for your prayers.
My heart seems to be o.k. even though I thought I was having a heart attack. Thx for your prayers.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 02, 2016 04:43 PM (tOcW/)
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Is Bourdain an alcoholic? He always seems to find a reason to get drunk on his show.
Posted by: @votermom's phone at December 02, 2016 04:43 PM (AQWos)
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Since I thought my leg was being pulled on the Amy Schumer Barbie movie. I went and did a quick search. It appears to me that what they are making is "Trainwreck" II.
"The Comedy Central comedienne is expected to play a character who gets kicked out of the perfect Barbieland because she doesn't quite fit the mold. After she's exiled, she sets a journey to the real world and eventually discovers that being unique is an asset.
Sony is aiming for a family comedy that's reminiscent of classic films like "Splash" and "Big". "
Well what they are making will be a trainwreck any way.
"The Comedy Central comedienne is expected to play a character who gets kicked out of the perfect Barbieland because she doesn't quite fit the mold. After she's exiled, she sets a journey to the real world and eventually discovers that being unique is an asset.
Sony is aiming for a family comedy that's reminiscent of classic films like "Splash" and "Big". "
Well what they are making will be a trainwreck any way.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 02, 2016 04:43 PM (tf9Ne)
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Allende was neck deep in treason, if I understand correctly, and payed for his treason with his neck.
I believe that's the usual punishment for treason.
Of course, "self-inflicted gun shot wounds" sounds better than "summary execution."
I believe that's the usual punishment for treason.
Of course, "self-inflicted gun shot wounds" sounds better than "summary execution."
Posted by: Blake at December 02, 2016 04:44 PM (WEBkv)
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Now I have that stupid song in my ear:
''I'm a barbie girl,
in a barbie world,
being plastic,
its fantastic'
ugh.
''I'm a barbie girl,
in a barbie world,
being plastic,
its fantastic'
ugh.
Posted by: IC at December 02, 2016 04:46 PM (a0IVu)
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O/T
Palin must of not gotten the VA job.
She's out with a Op-Ed criticizing Trump's Carrier deal as crony capitalism.
Palin must of not gotten the VA job.
She's out with a Op-Ed criticizing Trump's Carrier deal as crony capitalism.
Posted by: WisRich at December 02, 2016 04:46 PM (hdpay)
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This frickin idea that simply because a person is gay they now have special rights no one else has needs to be destroyed.
Posted by: Jen at December 02, 2016 04:36 PM (be9L9)
I agree 10,000%
Unless I get the special right to slap people what need slapping. Because that is a right I should have.
Posted by: Jen at December 02, 2016 04:36 PM (be9L9)
I agree 10,000%
Unless I get the special right to slap people what need slapping. Because that is a right I should have.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at December 02, 2016 04:46 PM (mf5HN)
243
I bet y'all a million dollars that Hollywood would NEVER. Consider Jonah Hill or Seth Rogan to play Wolverine or Superman or Batman. In fact for those roles the actors must be on PEDs.
Amy Schumer as Barbie in a live action movie sounds like an April Fools Joke.
Amy Schumer as Barbie in a live action movie sounds like an April Fools Joke.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at December 02, 2016 04:46 PM (sFofr)
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217---This frickin idea that simply because a person is gay they now have special rights no one else has needs to be destroyed.
Posted by: Jen at December 02, 2016 04:36 PM (be9L9)
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Same thing with the frickin idea that you must publicly prove your lack of homophobia.
Posted by: Jen at December 02, 2016 04:36 PM (be9L9)
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Same thing with the frickin idea that you must publicly prove your lack of homophobia.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 02, 2016 04:47 PM (Nox3c)
245
Speaking of Barbie, I had mine sewn shut.
Posted by: MeAgain Digme Smelly at December 02, 2016 04:52 PM (HgMAr)
246
Unless I get the special right to slap people what need slapping. Because that is a right I should have.
But that right wouldn't be bestowed based upon your sexual orientation, but simply because you're qualified to both determine the need of and deliver said slap.
Hell ... I think it's a damn good idea.
But that right wouldn't be bestowed based upon your sexual orientation, but simply because you're qualified to both determine the need of and deliver said slap.
Hell ... I think it's a damn good idea.
Posted by: ScoggDog at December 02, 2016 04:53 PM (QDpP5)
247
I'd be in favor of a full-on campaign of destruction against Buzzfeed.
Expose the criminal records, the graft, the behaviors, the tweets, the unsavory connections and the personal behaviors of any of their employees, contributors, but especially their editors or executives.
Expose the criminal records, the graft, the behaviors, the tweets, the unsavory connections and the personal behaviors of any of their employees, contributors, but especially their editors or executives.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 02, 2016 04:55 PM (OkKDg)
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Including...interestingly enough...one of the most important anti-communist congressmen of the time.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 02, 2016 04:12 PM (X7E8f)
Larry McDonald was quoted every week in the National Enquirer, usually something like, "'That is an atrocious waste of taxpayer money,' fumed Congressman Larry McDonald (R-GA). 'Maybe the bureaucrats should eat some caffeinated bananas themselves to see if they work any harder!'"
Posted by: 18-1 at December 02, 2016 04:12 PM (X7E8f)
Larry McDonald was quoted every week in the National Enquirer, usually something like, "'That is an atrocious waste of taxpayer money,' fumed Congressman Larry McDonald (R-GA). 'Maybe the bureaucrats should eat some caffeinated bananas themselves to see if they work any harder!'"
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 02, 2016 04:56 PM (jK8Z7)
249
Nood monkey
Posted by: @votermom's phone at December 02, 2016 04:58 PM (AQWos)
250
Saw Bourdain do a show on Chile. He kept trying to get the locals to criticize Pinochet. They would say, well he was bad but, you know, we are doing pretty well now. They knew the score.
Posted by: Javems at December 02, 2016 05:06 PM (yOqwj)
Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at December 02, 2016 05:18 PM (I7I0v)
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"Pinochet gave the bum's rush to Chile's previous ruler, Salvador Allende, a two-bit commie who was trying to bring to his own country the same poverty and economic ruin as was produced by Castro's totalitarian thug regime in Cuba."
The election that brought Allende to power is a warning to all those who want a popular election for POTUS. When Allende was elected Chile used a one round first-past-the-post electoral system. Here are the results that brought Allende to power:
Allende: 36.61%
Jorge Alessandri representing the Right: 35.27%
Radomiro Tomic Christian-Democrat: 28.11%
Under the Chilean constitution at that time the Congress would elect the President if no one gained 50% + 1 but the tradition was the Congress would ratify the candidate with the most votes so it rubber stamped Allende.
Allende decided he had a mandate to impose Marxist-Leninism on Chile with only 37% of the vote.
The election that brought Allende to power is a warning to all those who want a popular election for POTUS. When Allende was elected Chile used a one round first-past-the-post electoral system. Here are the results that brought Allende to power:
Allende: 36.61%
Jorge Alessandri representing the Right: 35.27%
Radomiro Tomic Christian-Democrat: 28.11%
Under the Chilean constitution at that time the Congress would elect the President if no one gained 50% + 1 but the tradition was the Congress would ratify the candidate with the most votes so it rubber stamped Allende.
Allende decided he had a mandate to impose Marxist-Leninism on Chile with only 37% of the vote.
Posted by: Michael K at December 02, 2016 05:43 PM (O7ZEr)
253
Word on the interwebz is Bourdain's wife - a mixed martial arts wannabe - is cuckolding him with her training bros.
Posted by: Butch at December 02, 2016 06:05 PM (hXu8T)
254
Technically, throwing out the Czar did result in a better life. For a few short months.
Then the Communists overthrew the fledgling Provisional Republic before elections could be held and promptly- and shamelessly- stole credit for what it did.
Then the Communists overthrew the fledgling Provisional Republic before elections could be held and promptly- and shamelessly- stole credit for what it did.
Posted by: Turtler at December 02, 2016 07:16 PM (Um8fV)
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"half a century as Cuba's maximum leader, bedeviling 11 American presidents"
The Times seems awfully proud of their Communist Monarchy system. We've had 11 elections while Cuba has had none. And the military dictatorship they helped create is hereditary, set to go to the next generation of family goons.
Monarchy and Slavers are still in vogue at the Times.
The Times seems awfully proud of their Communist Monarchy system. We've had 11 elections while Cuba has had none. And the military dictatorship they helped create is hereditary, set to go to the next generation of family goons.
Monarchy and Slavers are still in vogue at the Times.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at December 03, 2016 05:57 AM (Ndje9)
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@254 Turtler
And millions starved to death as a result. There was that little thing about marching thru Poland in 1920 just to get there commie asses kicked as well, but that is lost in old history books no longer taught.
And millions starved to death as a result. There was that little thing about marching thru Poland in 1920 just to get there commie asses kicked as well, but that is lost in old history books no longer taught.
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at December 03, 2016 07:48 PM (t4kE6)
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@9: Is there a good book out there about Pinochet & the overthrow of Allende, one that isn't gobbling the Commie's knob?
Posted by: josephistan at December 02, 2016 03:45 PM (7HtZB)
I'd heartily recommend this one - author's the former UK ambassador (Thatcher appointed) to Chile. Not written specifically about the Allende/Pinochet period but there are several chapters which cover the events in question: http://tinyurl.com/hp6qzbw
Posted by: josephistan at December 02, 2016 03:45 PM (7HtZB)
I'd heartily recommend this one - author's the former UK ambassador (Thatcher appointed) to Chile. Not written specifically about the Allende/Pinochet period but there are several chapters which cover the events in question: http://tinyurl.com/hp6qzbw
Posted by: Chris Renner at December 03, 2016 11:34 PM (ayphW)
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