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Drama: Trump Either "Furious" or "Irritated" About Kellyanne Conway's Disparagement of Mitt Romney
As Trump continues looking at Mitt Romney as a possible Secretary of State, Kellyanne Conway blasts him as having been caustic towards Trump during the election.
Trump is either "furious" about her remarks or merely "irritated."Their sources claim that both Trump and Stephen Bannon are "frustrated" with "Conway's failure to become a team player." Joe Scarborough called it "extraordinarily undisciplined," and that's true whether or not their two sources are on the level. It certainly appears that we’re seeing a palace revolt over a potential Romney appointment even before the team moves into the palace.A Trump spokesman called reports about Trump being angry "false" and Conway called the reporting on this... sexist, for some reason. I wonder if Trump and Conway are playing a Good Cop Bad Cop game here. Trump wants a public apology from Romney; we know that Trump's ego is easily bruised and requires a lot of massaging to start healing. It could be that Trump is playing nice with Romney while some of his chosen surrogates are attacking the possibility of Romney as Secretary of State as unacceptable, given all the mean things Romney said about Trump. In other words: Gee, we'd sure like you to be Secretary of State, but Trump's Crazy-Loyal Supporters just won't accept you unless you publicly apologize for offending Mr. Trump... That's pretty Trumpian. Even more Trumpian? Extracting the public apology from Romney and then humiliating him by offering the job to someone else. Whatever Trump's plan, it would help to trot out a guy who Trump might give the job to instead of Romney. Say David Petraeus, whom Trump is meeting with later today to talk about the job. Petraeus can be used as a negotiating chip to extract the apology from Romney. And then, of course, he can be given the job, humiliating Romney.
Comments
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I kind of hope the whole thing was just an elaborate "Fuck You" to Mitt Romney. He certainly deserves it.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 02:44 PM (KsYpa)
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yawn
Posted by: Beefy Meatball at November 28, 2016 02:44 PM (fRgt5)
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This is starting to get just a bit silly...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at November 28, 2016 02:45 PM (9krrF)
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Romney is going to Trump Tower to meet with Trump tomorrow.
I'm thinking Kellyanne went a little rogue on this one.
I'm thinking Kellyanne went a little rogue on this one.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 02:46 PM (/tuJf)
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How many dimensions of chess is this now?
Posted by: Moron Pundit at November 28, 2016 02:46 PM (xeeHA)
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My money is on Romney's getting played.
Romney used proxies against Trump in underhanded ways. Kept it up for a long time. Incited the Trump / Cruz War of the Wives. Risked throwing the election to Hillary. Romney is a cunt of the highest order.
That said, I don't know what a SoS has to do. Hillary was actually cut out of most things by Jarrett, and was mostly happy to fly a million miles to shakedown donations for the Foundation.
Does Trump need his SoS to renegotiate trade deals? Mitt could be good at that.
Does he need his SoS to beat on Iran? DoD may be the better heavy.
I expect Trump wants to engage Putin personally. Art of the Deal, baby!
Romney used proxies against Trump in underhanded ways. Kept it up for a long time. Incited the Trump / Cruz War of the Wives. Risked throwing the election to Hillary. Romney is a cunt of the highest order.
That said, I don't know what a SoS has to do. Hillary was actually cut out of most things by Jarrett, and was mostly happy to fly a million miles to shakedown donations for the Foundation.
Does Trump need his SoS to renegotiate trade deals? Mitt could be good at that.
Does he need his SoS to beat on Iran? DoD may be the better heavy.
I expect Trump wants to engage Putin personally. Art of the Deal, baby!
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 28, 2016 02:46 PM (SIY7D)
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Don't care about squabbles.
EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT from Ohio State:
-- Fire alarm goes off in building;
-- Building evacuated;
-- Students gather in courtyard;
-- Guy who pulled fire alarm then rams car into the victims he forced outside
-- Jumps out of car with a "really weird-looking knife" and starts stabbing;
-- Because of the fire alarm, POLICE WERE ALREADY ON THE SCENE in the courtyard and shot him dead almost immediately.
So, yes: IT WAS A TERROR ATTACK.
EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT from Ohio State:
-- Fire alarm goes off in building;
-- Building evacuated;
-- Students gather in courtyard;
-- Guy who pulled fire alarm then rams car into the victims he forced outside
-- Jumps out of car with a "really weird-looking knife" and starts stabbing;
-- Because of the fire alarm, POLICE WERE ALREADY ON THE SCENE in the courtyard and shot him dead almost immediately.
So, yes: IT WAS A TERROR ATTACK.
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 02:46 PM (jBuUi)
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I wonder if Trump and Conway are playing a Good Cop Bad Cop game here.
Trump wants a public apology from Romney; we know that Trump's ego is
easily bruised and requires a lot of massaging to start healing. It
could be that Trump is playing nice with Romney while some of his chosen
surrogates are attacking the possibility of Romney as Secretary of
State as unacceptable, given all the mean things Romney said about
Trump.
Or a third option is the MFM and their "sources" are lying their asses off. They will do anything to try and make his life miserable and hit him with the public.
As BB said before he died; Fuck them: WAR
Trump wants a public apology from Romney; we know that Trump's ego is
easily bruised and requires a lot of massaging to start healing. It
could be that Trump is playing nice with Romney while some of his chosen
surrogates are attacking the possibility of Romney as Secretary of
State as unacceptable, given all the mean things Romney said about
Trump.
Or a third option is the MFM and their "sources" are lying their asses off. They will do anything to try and make his life miserable and hit him with the public.
As BB said before he died; Fuck them: WAR
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 28, 2016 02:46 PM (mpXpK)
9
Oh the drama!
Posted by: chi-town Jerry at November 28, 2016 02:47 PM (194Dd)
10
Fake News...
Instead of SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM,
it's TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP wonderful TRUMP won...der...ful TRUMP
Instead of SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM,
it's TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP wonderful TRUMP won...der...ful TRUMP
Posted by: Tired Lee at November 28, 2016 02:47 PM (RV5uF)
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All the News that Fits the Narrative!
Current headlines "above the fold" on The New York Times homepage:
Trump Claims Millions Voted Illegally, Citing No Evidence
World of Potential Conflict for a Developer President
Krugman: Why Corruption Matters
Editorial: The G.O.P. and Health Care Chaos
Transition Briefing: Contention Over Secretary of State
Mexico's Oil Industry Braces for Trump's Attack on Trade
Cities Vow to Fight Trump's Policies on Immigration
Pessimistic, Very Pessimistic: Readers Moods Darken After Election
Current headlines "above the fold" on The New York Times homepage:
Trump Claims Millions Voted Illegally, Citing No Evidence
World of Potential Conflict for a Developer President
Krugman: Why Corruption Matters
Editorial: The G.O.P. and Health Care Chaos
Transition Briefing: Contention Over Secretary of State
Mexico's Oil Industry Braces for Trump's Attack on Trade
Cities Vow to Fight Trump's Policies on Immigration
Pessimistic, Very Pessimistic: Readers Moods Darken After Election
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 28, 2016 02:48 PM (SIY7D)
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So, yes: IT WAS A TERROR ATTACK.
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If a not very-well-thought-out one.
It is often stated but we are SO lucky these guys are so stupid.
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If a not very-well-thought-out one.
It is often stated but we are SO lucky these guys are so stupid.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at November 28, 2016 02:48 PM (xeeHA)
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I'm not really believing too much that Mess NBC reports lately, or ever.
Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2016 02:49 PM (jkmtt)
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Now a second eyewitness (this is being posted on Reddit) reports that the terrorist pulled a fire alarm FOR THE PURPOSE OF GETTING EVERYONE OUTSIDE so he could mow them down Nice-style. When that failed, he enacted the backup plan of attempted beheading with a traditional scimitar-tyoe weapon.
But the entire plan deserved a Darwin Award because the police had shown up BEFORE he even rammed his car, since they were responding to the fire alarm.
But the entire plan deserved a Darwin Award because the police had shown up BEFORE he even rammed his car, since they were responding to the fire alarm.
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 02:49 PM (jBuUi)
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The Transition is in Chaos!
Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2016 02:50 PM (pyZce)
Posted by: Blanco at November 28, 2016 02:50 PM (tGBt6)
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Soooo... once more... NON Named sources calling the Trump Team dysfunctional...
And of course... it becomes a National story...
and of course... Allah pundit picks up on it..
Judging by recent history, the story will eventually somehow trace back to.. the New Yack Times..
And of course... it becomes a National story...
and of course... Allah pundit picks up on it..
Judging by recent history, the story will eventually somehow trace back to.. the New Yack Times..
Posted by: Don Q. at November 28, 2016 02:50 PM (qf6WZ)
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Disarray!Chaos!
Posted by: steevy at November 28, 2016 02:51 PM (oNAZ1)
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Maybe Conway is just very loyal to Trump, while Trump is willing to let bygones be bygones.
Posted by: LASue at November 28, 2016 02:51 PM (onc1L)
20
This Conway thing is coordinated. No way it is rogue.
Posted by: JBrother at November 28, 2016 02:51 PM (vhwYr)
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I do not want Romney as SoS.
Trump should have offered him the VA.
"Here, you clean this up, and I will accept that as your apology to me, and the country." If Romney was really noble and wanted to serve the country, he would jump at the chance.
Trump should have offered him the VA.
"Here, you clean this up, and I will accept that as your apology to me, and the country." If Romney was really noble and wanted to serve the country, he would jump at the chance.
Posted by: rd at November 28, 2016 02:51 PM (Rtl0g)
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I think the term "unexpectedly" will get replaced by "without a shred of evidence" for the next administration. Just getting that vibe already
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at November 28, 2016 02:51 PM (/Gi86)
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Everyone disrespected everyone during this campaign... President Trump as much as anyone.
Romney is a very good choice. Too much drama going on here.
If not, Henry K. is still kicking.
Romney is a very good choice. Too much drama going on here.
If not, Henry K. is still kicking.
Posted by: Bobby Ahr at November 28, 2016 02:53 PM (zmZ2x)
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What purpose is served when the media fabricates "Trump Transition In Chaos" stories??? I can't even grasp the intended motivation of the hoaxery. The election is over -- they can't convince people to unvote for Trump. And when he settles in to the White House, all the "chaos" stories in the world will be meaningless and ineffectual.
All I can guess is that the media is just on autopilot and doesn't even know WHY they does this crap anymore.
All I can guess is that the media is just on autopilot and doesn't even know WHY they does this crap anymore.
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 02:53 PM (jBuUi)
25
14: strangely, hot air was applauding whoever pulled the fire alarm as a quick- thinking way to get the police there. As if no student has a cell phone to call 911.
Posted by: LASue at November 28, 2016 02:53 PM (onc1L)
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Eh - Just wake me up when he makes a decision. I know SOS is supposed to be a primary cabinet spot - the capstone to a career in public service - but I find it a rather boring position withe less influence than its history suggests.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 02:53 PM (gmeXX)
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I recall back during previous elections when people would bring negative statements to the blog without any evidence I would ask; "Do you have a link to a reputable source?".
At that time I would have considered a link to Fox or maybe one of the other alphabets, or a reputable magazine/newspaper.
I would no longer consider much of the news media now a reputable source.
At that time I would have considered a link to Fox or maybe one of the other alphabets, or a reputable magazine/newspaper.
I would no longer consider much of the news media now a reputable source.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 28, 2016 02:54 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Chris Crocker at November 28, 2016 02:54 PM (NF2Bf)
29
"Here, you clean this up, and I will accept that as your apology to me, and the country." If Romney was really noble and wanted to serve the country, he would jump at the chance.
Posted by: rd at November 28, 2016 02:51 PM (Rtl0g)
I don't think I want RomneyCare in charge of the VA....
He has NO experience with Veterans... and his instincts on Health Care finances are suspect..
Posted by: rd at November 28, 2016 02:51 PM (Rtl0g)
I don't think I want RomneyCare in charge of the VA....
He has NO experience with Veterans... and his instincts on Health Care finances are suspect..
Posted by: Don Q. at November 28, 2016 02:54 PM (qf6WZ)
30
Scott Adams made the comment about ISIS preferring hillary and showing it by not attacking. I posted the twitchy link in the last thread. You should see how crazy the whole world went on Adams.
God, what fools these people are. Not ISIS, they are evil, but not fools. No, I mean the NRO fools, of which Romney is a prime example.
God, what fools these people are. Not ISIS, they are evil, but not fools. No, I mean the NRO fools, of which Romney is a prime example.
Posted by: davedavedavearf at November 28, 2016 02:55 PM (0+srV)
31
I think Romney would actually make a good SofS...but the question is will he go along with Trump's agenda? I'd rather Trump pick a man or woman who will represent his policy.
Consider too Trump approaches this as a CEO...he will do the final Deal while the bureaucrats pull together the details. His SofS need only be the coordinator.
Consider too Trump approaches this as a CEO...he will do the final Deal while the bureaucrats pull together the details. His SofS need only be the coordinator.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 28, 2016 02:55 PM (I5LHf)
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25 14: strangely, hot air was applauding whoever pulled the fire alarm as a quick- thinking way to get the police there. As if no student has a cell phone to call 911.
Posted by: LASue
Seriously????
The current version of events is that the terrorist pulled the alarm himself! Why applaud him?
Posted by: LASue
Seriously????
The current version of events is that the terrorist pulled the alarm himself! Why applaud him?
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 02:55 PM (jBuUi)
33
Did you get this from Drudge? You know it's a fake news Russian sponsored website, right?
Wait...is this a fake news Russian sponsored website?
I am so confused. I had better ask my college-age nieces and nephews to come back and advise me on which sites are good and which are double-plus-ungood.
They were so helpful on Thursday...
Wait...is this a fake news Russian sponsored website?
I am so confused. I had better ask my college-age nieces and nephews to come back and advise me on which sites are good and which are double-plus-ungood.
They were so helpful on Thursday...
Posted by: Lily(Formerly of Hot Air) now of AoSHQ at November 28, 2016 02:55 PM (vivhj)
34
Oh another "sources say" story. Those have been remarkably fact-free over the past few weeks. Like Trump's transition was in chaos. Until it wasn't.
Donald Trump - unlike a certain current president - seems to take an active role in things and I would be surprised if Ms. Conway was going to speak on the record about something without him clearing it.
Donald Trump - unlike a certain current president - seems to take an active role in things and I would be surprised if Ms. Conway was going to speak on the record about something without him clearing it.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Days of Rage and Tears Black Friday Sale at The Outrage Outlet! at November 28, 2016 02:55 PM (hLRSq)
35
I don't think I want RomneyCare in charge of the VA....
He has NO experience with Veterans... and his instincts on Health Care finances are suspect..
--------------
Yeah, I'm not sure I want anyone known as a technocrat heading up such a division. Their instinct is that government can do this right.
He has NO experience with Veterans... and his instincts on Health Care finances are suspect..
--------------
Yeah, I'm not sure I want anyone known as a technocrat heading up such a division. Their instinct is that government can do this right.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 02:55 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Paladin at November 28, 2016 02:55 PM (QGbEp)
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Whoever believes that Donald Trump is irritated at the woman who won him the presidency is a fool.
This is Fake News bullshit.
Whoever believes that Donald Trump is irritated at the woman who won him the presidency is a fool.
This is Fake News bullshit.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 02:56 PM (kjbSf)
38
I think it would be better payback to give Mitt the job, then smear Icy Hot all over his magic underwear.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at November 28, 2016 02:56 PM (/Gi86)
39
24
What purpose is served when the media fabricates "Trump Transition In
Chaos" stories??? I can't even grasp the intended motivation of the
hoaxery. The election is over -- they can't convince people to unvote
for Trump. And when he settles in to the White House, all the "chaos"
stories in the world will be meaningless and ineffectual.
All I can guess is that the media is just on autopilot and doesn't even know WHY they does this crap anymore.
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 02:53 PM (jBuUi)
They are already trying to discredit his administration before it even starts. They did the same thing with Bush and Reagan.
What purpose is served when the media fabricates "Trump Transition In
Chaos" stories??? I can't even grasp the intended motivation of the
hoaxery. The election is over -- they can't convince people to unvote
for Trump. And when he settles in to the White House, all the "chaos"
stories in the world will be meaningless and ineffectual.
All I can guess is that the media is just on autopilot and doesn't even know WHY they does this crap anymore.
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 02:53 PM (jBuUi)
They are already trying to discredit his administration before it even starts. They did the same thing with Bush and Reagan.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 28, 2016 02:56 PM (mpXpK)
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Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 02:46 PM (jBuUi)
---
Bringing a knife to a gun fight never ends well...for
the knife-wielding lunatic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YyBtMxZgQs
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Bringing a knife to a gun fight never ends well...for
the knife-wielding lunatic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YyBtMxZgQs
Posted by: SMFH - 9-2! at November 28, 2016 02:56 PM (CRotO)
41
>>This Conway thing is coordinated. No way it is rogue.
Then why would Romney play along? He's going back to meet with Trump tomorrow?
I bet Trump had to do a little apologizing of his own to get Romney to agree to meet. Unlike Rudy, Romney is not begging for a job.
Then why would Romney play along? He's going back to meet with Trump tomorrow?
I bet Trump had to do a little apologizing of his own to get Romney to agree to meet. Unlike Rudy, Romney is not begging for a job.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 02:56 PM (/tuJf)
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Romney is going to Trump Tower to meet with Trump tomorrow.
Sources close to the Transition Team indicate Mitt will be accepting the post of Keeper of the Imperial Spittoon.
Sources close to the Transition Team indicate Mitt will be accepting the post of Keeper of the Imperial Spittoon.
Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2016 02:56 PM (jkmtt)
43
Sheppy is aghast.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 28, 2016 02:57 PM (PY9jH)
44
Fake News told me the Somali "shooter" driver-knifer was 20 years old.
Now the fake news is telling me he was 18 years old.
Fake News told me the Somali "shooter" driver-knifer was 20 years old.
Now the fake news is telling me he was 18 years old.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 02:57 PM (kjbSf)
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The news has gotten everything wrong so far. I am guessing they didn't get better on this story.
I don't think for a minute that Conway would go rogue. She knows who she works for.
I don't think for a minute that Conway would go rogue. She knows who she works for.
Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2016 02:57 PM (tewYv)
46
Conway didn't go off message. Look at the campaign. She does not go off message. Joe Scarborough, however, is full of shit.
Posted by: huerfano at November 28, 2016 02:57 PM (jkkMG)
47
Eh, according to whom?
The MSM is just manufacturing stories about Trump's meetings, thoughts, feelings, leaning at this point.
Unless he's said or tweeted his displeasure I'm ignoring the stories.
The MSM is just manufacturing stories about Trump's meetings, thoughts, feelings, leaning at this point.
Unless he's said or tweeted his displeasure I'm ignoring the stories.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 28, 2016 02:57 PM (NOIQH)
48
Personally, I'd kill for John Bolton as SoS.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 28, 2016 02:58 PM (PY9jH)
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44
Fake News told me the Somali "shooter" driver-knifer was 20 years old.
Now the fake news is telling me he was 18 years old.
Posted by: Soothsayer
Let's just average it out and say he was 19 years old, and he is a driveshootstabber.
Fake News told me the Somali "shooter" driver-knifer was 20 years old.
Now the fake news is telling me he was 18 years old.
Posted by: Soothsayer
Let's just average it out and say he was 19 years old, and he is a driveshootstabber.
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 02:58 PM (jBuUi)
50
I'm going to cite the Gell-Mann Amnesia affect here and preemptively call bullshit on anything the media says involving rumors in Trump's cabinet.
I'll believe it when it's announced. The media has consistently incorrect about everything involving Trump and the campaign. I see no reason to start trusting them now.
I'll believe it when it's announced. The media has consistently incorrect about everything involving Trump and the campaign. I see no reason to start trusting them now.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 28, 2016 02:58 PM (KUaJL)
51
The news have been complete bullshit since Trump entered the picture. Why believe ANYTHING they say now?
Posted by: John Nada - Formerly #NeverHillary at November 28, 2016 02:58 PM (KLyOA)
52
35 I don't think I want RomneyCare in charge of the VA....
He has NO experience with Veterans... and his instincts on Health Care finances are suspect..
--------------
Yeah, I'm not sure I want anyone known as a technocrat heading up such a division. Their instinct is that government can do this right.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 02:55 PM (gmeXX)
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Hell.
No.
Got enough don't-know-shit-about-the-military-and-vets pencil-pushers running the VA.
He has NO experience with Veterans... and his instincts on Health Care finances are suspect..
--------------
Yeah, I'm not sure I want anyone known as a technocrat heading up such a division. Their instinct is that government can do this right.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 02:55 PM (gmeXX)
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Hell.
No.
Got enough don't-know-shit-about-the-military-and-vets pencil-pushers running the VA.
Posted by: SMFH - 9-2! at November 28, 2016 02:58 PM (CRotO)
53
Now the fake news is telling me he was 18 years old.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 02:57 PM (kjbSf)
He was an honors student who was turning his life around.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 02:57 PM (kjbSf)
He was an honors student who was turning his life around.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2016 02:59 PM (42Mgr)
54
Bullshit. Trump does not want Romney for State. The Uniparty wants Romney for State to undermine Trump and continue their agenda, grift, and graft. Trump does not want an appology from Romney, that is bullshit that the Romney and MSM made up to smear Trump. KAC was signalling and telling his furious base that Romney will not be SOS and laid out why.
Romney won't be SOS. This is all Fake News made up bullshit to drive a wedge and get Romney in at SOS.
Romney won't be SOS. This is all Fake News made up bullshit to drive a wedge and get Romney in at SOS.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 28, 2016 02:59 PM (t82DG)
55
I have a feeling of foreboding...
Posted by: Paladin at November 28, 2016 02:55 PM (QGbEp)
___________________________
Me too,, can we talk about trains again?
I have a feeling of foreboding...
Posted by: Paladin at November 28, 2016 02:55 PM (QGbEp)
___________________________
Me too,, can we talk about trains again?
Posted by: Dr. Sheldon Cooper at November 28, 2016 02:59 PM (HSmrB)
56
Romney is a very good choice. Too much drama going on here.
If not, Henry K. is still kicking.
Posted by: Bobby Ahr at November 28, 2016 02:53 PM (zmZ2x)
Nope... Romney is not onboard with most of the Trump Foreign Policy agenda.
Romney was for all the Free Trade Agreements, including NAFTA.... so not sure he's the one to renegotiate those agreements...
Romney was for continuing the Bush doctrine in the Middle East... interventions forever...
Romney also is still in the Cold War... when asked the greatest threat to the US, it was not Militant Islam... who is ACTIVLY KILLING OUR SOLDIERS... it was Russia... who has not fired a shot at us in... oh... a generation?
If not, Henry K. is still kicking.
Posted by: Bobby Ahr at November 28, 2016 02:53 PM (zmZ2x)
Nope... Romney is not onboard with most of the Trump Foreign Policy agenda.
Romney was for all the Free Trade Agreements, including NAFTA.... so not sure he's the one to renegotiate those agreements...
Romney was for continuing the Bush doctrine in the Middle East... interventions forever...
Romney also is still in the Cold War... when asked the greatest threat to the US, it was not Militant Islam... who is ACTIVLY KILLING OUR SOLDIERS... it was Russia... who has not fired a shot at us in... oh... a generation?
Posted by: Don Q. at November 28, 2016 02:59 PM (qf6WZ)
57
Wait...is this a fake news Russian sponsored website?
_______________________
No, this is a fake faux news Russian-sponsored website.
_______________________
No, this is a fake faux news Russian-sponsored website.
Posted by: Dishonorable Keith Ellison at November 28, 2016 02:59 PM (rgZEV)
58
Fun with words...
While searching for a word I found
CHIMERA - definition one.
chimera - definition two.
Merriam-Webster
Ed Zack Lee, I thought.
I have this story in my head, and I can't get it out. It even has an ending which is very unusual. But the words are stuck.
I sit and stare at the word processor screen, but the words won't flow.
The words must flow. But they remain inside my head, like voices in my head, voices waiting for me to set them free, and I can't find the key.
Can't find the key
Voices
While searching for a word I found
CHIMERA - definition one.
chimera - definition two.
Merriam-Webster
Ed Zack Lee, I thought.
I have this story in my head, and I can't get it out. It even has an ending which is very unusual. But the words are stuck.
I sit and stare at the word processor screen, but the words won't flow.
The words must flow. But they remain inside my head, like voices in my head, voices waiting for me to set them free, and I can't find the key.
Can't find the key
Voices
Posted by: Tired Lee at November 28, 2016 02:59 PM (RV5uF)
59
Nope, its good cop bad cop. I'll bet Romney will never be considered and Trump's minions were sent out to be the bad guys and Trump will nominate someone else.
Posted by: Jaimo at November 28, 2016 02:59 PM (9U1OG)
60
Do NOT want Mittens in charge of the VA.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 28, 2016 03:00 PM (PY9jH)
61
He was an honors student who was turning his life around.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2016 02:59 PM (42Mgr)
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Don't forget the rap album.
He was so much into his music.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2016 02:59 PM (42Mgr)
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Don't forget the rap album.
He was so much into his music.
Posted by: SMFH - 9-2! at November 28, 2016 03:00 PM (CRotO)
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It will be SOS Dana Rohrabacher.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 28, 2016 03:00 PM (t82DG)
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Meh. It doesn't matter to me. I don't necessarily think Romney's politics are in line with Trump's, (or mine) but at the same time I don't think he would be a terrible choice for the job. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, but Romney would be infinitely better than anybody the Sea Hag would have installed. Mitt is a lot of things but I get the impression he doesn't hate America and wouldn't go around bowing to Sheiks or apologizing to everybody.
I'm a bit puzzled by the offer, as there are plenty of other people who could do a good job in this post. Especially after how Romney acted during the election. But hey, that's politics. And I'll say this for Trump, it seems he isn't surrounding himself with "yes men." And that's healthy.
I'm a bit puzzled by the offer, as there are plenty of other people who could do a good job in this post. Especially after how Romney acted during the election. But hey, that's politics. And I'll say this for Trump, it seems he isn't surrounding himself with "yes men." And that's healthy.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at November 28, 2016 03:00 PM (1zARK)
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zombie, do you really not see the political value in the Fake News constantly trashing the future Trump admin 24/7?
zombie, do you really not see the political value in the Fake News constantly trashing the future Trump admin 24/7?
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:00 PM (kjbSf)
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He was an honors student who was turning his life around.
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And he always seemed like such a nice boy.
He was an honors student who was turning his life around.
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And he always seemed like such a nice boy.
Posted by: Psycho terrorist's clueless next-door neighbor at November 28, 2016 03:00 PM (rgZEV)
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So the TRUMP STAR is fully operational.
He is controlling the media's attention.
When he wants them to talk about something else, he'll tell them what to talk about. And they will.
He is controlling the media's attention.
When he wants them to talk about something else, he'll tell them what to talk about. And they will.
Posted by: simplemind at November 28, 2016 03:01 PM (xVRrG)
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>>Romney also is still in the Cold War... when asked the greatest threat to the US, it was not Militant Islam... who is ACTIVLY KILLING OUR SOLDIERS... it was Russia... who has not fired a shot at us in... oh... a generation?
You mean the Russia who is actively arming and giving money to Russia? Who is fighting against us and our interests in Syria? Who is putting missiles in western Europe and threatening our NATO allies?
That Russia?
You mean the Russia who is actively arming and giving money to Russia? Who is fighting against us and our interests in Syria? Who is putting missiles in western Europe and threatening our NATO allies?
That Russia?
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:01 PM (/tuJf)
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zombies, you can't see the propaganda going on here?
zombies, you can't see the propaganda going on here?
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:01 PM (kjbSf)
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I think Trump is doing all this to fuck with the media.
Posted by: tu3031 at November 28, 2016 03:01 PM (qJhUV)
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All I can guess is that the media is just on autopilot and doesn't even know WHY they does this crap anymore.
I suspect that somewhere in their reptile brains they understand that Trump gets things done because he is recognized as a strong, forceful person. Furthermore, it is Trump's fundamental strength that they fear most. If they can try to make him seem weak or feeble (see also the TRUMP HAS THIN SKIN! UNFIT PERSONALITY! screams), they think they can weaken him.
This is, in essence, a mental voodoo doll for them. They believe somewhere deep inside in sympathetic magic and believe that they can call Trump weak, disorganized, and it will be so.
There is nothing they fear more than a strong Trump who is organized. Nothing. It's far beyond any sort of need to make sense or maintain credibility - they're lashing out instinctively, in fear.
I suspect that somewhere in their reptile brains they understand that Trump gets things done because he is recognized as a strong, forceful person. Furthermore, it is Trump's fundamental strength that they fear most. If they can try to make him seem weak or feeble (see also the TRUMP HAS THIN SKIN! UNFIT PERSONALITY! screams), they think they can weaken him.
This is, in essence, a mental voodoo doll for them. They believe somewhere deep inside in sympathetic magic and believe that they can call Trump weak, disorganized, and it will be so.
There is nothing they fear more than a strong Trump who is organized. Nothing. It's far beyond any sort of need to make sense or maintain credibility - they're lashing out instinctively, in fear.
Posted by: Sporkatus at November 28, 2016 03:01 PM (eXSOZ)
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Scott Adams made the comment about ISIS preferring hillary and showing it by not attacking. I posted the twitchy link in the last thread. You should see how crazy the whole world went on Adams.
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I thought Twitchy was a conservative site formerly run by Michelle Malkin? After reading all that smug shit on Adams I thought I clicked a bad link and wound up at Daily Kos.
Welp, that's another nevertrump fuckyourmommy site to block on my browser.
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I thought Twitchy was a conservative site formerly run by Michelle Malkin? After reading all that smug shit on Adams I thought I clicked a bad link and wound up at Daily Kos.
Welp, that's another nevertrump fuckyourmommy site to block on my browser.
Posted by: John Nada - Formerly #NeverHillary at November 28, 2016 03:01 PM (KLyOA)
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I'm pretty sure there's a power struggle going on in the Trump camp between people trying to nudge him to the conservative side and keep him accountable to voters, and his own tendency to be center left. Eventually, I fear they'll nudge him too far or too fast.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 03:01 PM (39g3+)
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Romney was for continuing the Bush doctrine in the Middle East... interventions forever...
Romney also is still in the Cold War... when asked the greatest threat to the US, it was not Militant Islam... who is ACTIVLY KILLING OUR SOLDIERS... it was Russia... who has not fired a shot at us in... oh... a generation?
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I'm not sure that is a fair representation of the Bush doctrine.
Regarding Russia, they do have more nukes. So I don't think it was a bad response. We can quibble over whether Russia really is - but at least it isn't climate change.
Romney also is still in the Cold War... when asked the greatest threat to the US, it was not Militant Islam... who is ACTIVLY KILLING OUR SOLDIERS... it was Russia... who has not fired a shot at us in... oh... a generation?
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I'm not sure that is a fair representation of the Bush doctrine.
Regarding Russia, they do have more nukes. So I don't think it was a bad response. We can quibble over whether Russia really is - but at least it isn't climate change.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:01 PM (gmeXX)
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As a lifelong Republican, I believe this all but wraps it up for Hillary. Will be an early night tomorrow.
Posted by: Bull Wynn at November 28, 2016 03:02 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at November 28, 2016 03:02 PM (/Gi86)
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But the entire plan deserved a Darwin Award because the police had shown up BEFORE he even rammed his car, since they were responding to the fire alarm.
Posted by: zombie
From the burn, then rape and pillage school of algorithms ...
Posted by: zombie
From the burn, then rape and pillage school of algorithms ...
Posted by: Adriane the Computer Critic ... at November 28, 2016 03:02 PM (AoK0a)
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FBN just showed Petraeus going into Trump tower and that financial guy from FBN, can't remember his name.....Conway also at the same time.
Posted by: Tami at November 28, 2016 03:02 PM (Enq6K)
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Pence was saying that Romney was under active and serious consideration for State. So that wasn't made up.
Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2016 03:02 PM (tewYv)
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I know SOS is supposed to be a primary cabinet spot - the capstone to a career in public service - but I find it a rather boring position withe less influence than its history suggests.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 02:53 PM (gmeXX)
One of the reasons Clinton and Kerry were such fvck-ups (in addition to their innate talent) is that they were allowed to sort of wing it by a hands-off president who would rather play golf and do brackets then actually do his job.
If Trump chooses Romney I have to assume that Romeny will get clear marching orders, then turn them into pretty words...which is the primary job of the SoS.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 02:53 PM (gmeXX)
One of the reasons Clinton and Kerry were such fvck-ups (in addition to their innate talent) is that they were allowed to sort of wing it by a hands-off president who would rather play golf and do brackets then actually do his job.
If Trump chooses Romney I have to assume that Romeny will get clear marching orders, then turn them into pretty words...which is the primary job of the SoS.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2016 03:03 PM (42Mgr)
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Moaning Joe and his Icy Blonde oven mitt are the last people on earth anyone of consequence in the Trump campaign is talking to.
Moaning Joe and his Icy Blonde oven mitt are the last people on earth anyone of consequence in the Trump campaign is talking to.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 28, 2016 03:03 PM (kdS6q)
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It will be SOS Dana Rohrabacher.
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Breitbart commenters told me Dana loves him some bin Laden and is too cuddly with terrorists or something, so he's out. *rolls eyes*
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Breitbart commenters told me Dana loves him some bin Laden and is too cuddly with terrorists or something, so he's out. *rolls eyes*
Posted by: John Nada - Formerly #NeverHillary at November 28, 2016 03:03 PM (KLyOA)
Posted by: Progressive Insurance Flo at November 28, 2016 03:03 PM (I5LHf)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:03 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2016 03:04 PM (jkmtt)
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Petraeus can be used as a negotiating chip to extract the apology from Romney. And then, of course, he can be given the job, humiliating Romney.
It would be stupid to humiliate Romney. What purpose would it serve, apart from ego gratification? Romney might come in handy later - who knows? To accomplish what he wants Trump will need all the support he can get. Making enemies gratuitously is foolish.
Extract the apology from him - i.e., make him bend the knee - and then move on. Watching him like a hawk, of course.
It would be stupid to humiliate Romney. What purpose would it serve, apart from ego gratification? Romney might come in handy later - who knows? To accomplish what he wants Trump will need all the support he can get. Making enemies gratuitously is foolish.
Extract the apology from him - i.e., make him bend the knee - and then move on. Watching him like a hawk, of course.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:04 PM (SRKgf)
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While Mitt plays the role of Squirrel! I wonder what The Donald is REALLY doing behind the scenes?
Making awesome decisions and appointments while media lapdogs bark up the wrong tree?
Hope so.
Making awesome decisions and appointments while media lapdogs bark up the wrong tree?
Hope so.
Posted by: Lily(Formerly of Hot Air) now of AoSHQ at November 28, 2016 03:04 PM (vivhj)
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I do think this probably is Kellyanne Conway in a turf battle with Trump's team. Clearly Trump was considering Romney or Conway wouldn;t be saying what she's saying.
I think Trump would be wise to listen to Kellyanne, she's been about the smartest hire he's made and she does seem to me to be a committed conservative and not just someone looking to cash a paycheck.
You simply can't trust Romney, and what really has the man accomplished that's so incredible that puts him at the front of the line?
I think Trump would be wise to listen to Kellyanne, she's been about the smartest hire he's made and she does seem to me to be a committed conservative and not just someone looking to cash a paycheck.
You simply can't trust Romney, and what really has the man accomplished that's so incredible that puts him at the front of the line?
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 03:04 PM (KsYpa)
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He was an honors student who was turning his life around.
He had a big impact on those closest to him.
He had a big impact on those closest to him.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at November 28, 2016 03:05 PM (2z74n)
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If Trump chooses Romney I have to assume that Romeny will get clear marching orders, then turn them into pretty words...which is the primary job of the SoS.
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This is why I care little about it. The President really drives foreign policy. I feel like other cabinet members can actually drive policy more than State.
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This is why I care little about it. The President really drives foreign policy. I feel like other cabinet members can actually drive policy more than State.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:05 PM (gmeXX)
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Let me explain with this analogy using ju jitsu.
Ju Jitsu has this thing called "flow." Flow is when allow your opponent to attack and you just just block and deflect -- you "flow" along with your opponent.
UNTIL your opponent makes a mistake and gives an "opening" by giving you a finger, or an ankle, or a wrist for which to apply a submission lock.
That's what the Fake News is doing now kinda -- they're flowing along until they find an opening.
Let me explain with this analogy using ju jitsu.
Ju Jitsu has this thing called "flow." Flow is when allow your opponent to attack and you just just block and deflect -- you "flow" along with your opponent.
UNTIL your opponent makes a mistake and gives an "opening" by giving you a finger, or an ankle, or a wrist for which to apply a submission lock.
That's what the Fake News is doing now kinda -- they're flowing along until they find an opening.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:05 PM (kjbSf)
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Apparently Governor Abbot of Texas is signing a law outlawing sanctuary cities and cutting off funding to ones that won't comply, state-wide at least.
Sort of an obvious response.
Sort of an obvious response.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 03:05 PM (39g3+)
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I think Trump is doing all this to fuck with the media.
Can you even imagine 4 years of this?? LOL
Can you even imagine 4 years of this?? LOL
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 03:05 PM (sUwfN)
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Kellyanne has been loyal as hell the whole time. She's not saying anything Trump doesn't want her to say, or doesn't object to her saying.
The source for all this was MSLSD and Morning Joe's deep throat in the Trump campaign.
Remember the stories about Trump transition in disarray and a knife fight? That was Krispy Kreme's cronies and lobbyists who had just been booted out of Trump tower by the Boss. And they should be glad he didn't throw them out the window.
The source for all this was MSLSD and Morning Joe's deep throat in the Trump campaign.
Remember the stories about Trump transition in disarray and a knife fight? That was Krispy Kreme's cronies and lobbyists who had just been booted out of Trump tower by the Boss. And they should be glad he didn't throw them out the window.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 28, 2016 03:05 PM (DW+jj)
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Done, and done!
Posted by: Annymous at November 28, 2016 03:05 PM (eLvFT)
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jeebus: checked in here from w*rk, and damn but the main page is full of ads...
so glad i run noscript @ home
so glad i run noscript @ home
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 28, 2016 03:05 PM (i8bpR)
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You mean the Russia who is actively arming and giving money to Russia?
Damn, we should do that. Pay off our national debt and arm our military, free!
Damn, we should do that. Pay off our national debt and arm our military, free!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:05 PM (SRKgf)
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Oh God Jane, you and me both. John Bolton is my dream guy. Along with KT McFarland and we have a winning team. Now all we need is Mad Dog Mattis.
Posted by: Jaimo at November 28, 2016 03:05 PM (9U1OG)
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I really hope Conway hasn't gotten ahead of herself on this. She strikes me as the wartime consigliere that Tom Hayden wasn't. I want her to stick around.
Posted by: Pep at November 28, 2016 03:06 PM (7nBiX)
Posted by: davedavedavearf at November 28, 2016 03:06 PM (0+srV)
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"Petraeus can be used as a negotiating chip to extract the apology from Romney. And then, of course, he can be given the job, humiliating Romney."
Beautiful!
Beautiful!
Posted by: John Rogers at November 28, 2016 03:06 PM (IQhlk)
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He had a big impact on those closest to him.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Fuckstick at November 28, 2016 03:05 PM (2z74n)
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Not as big as the bullets into your "son".
Posted by: Barack Hussein Fuckstick at November 28, 2016 03:05 PM (2z74n)
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Not as big as the bullets into your "son".
Posted by: SMFH - 9-2! at November 28, 2016 03:06 PM (CRotO)
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NBC on line reporting Stabby Boy's name is Abdul Artan, 18 y.o., whose family moved from Somalia to Pokeeeestohn in 2004, and moved here in 2007.
Before going on his car ramming/stabbing rampage he was mostly peaceful.
Before going on his car ramming/stabbing rampage he was mostly peaceful.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 28, 2016 03:06 PM (PY9jH)
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"77 FBN just showed Petraeus going into Trump tower and that financial guy from FBN, can't remember his name.....Conway also at the same time."
Speaking of FBN, I would OK with Maria Bartiromo with a job in the administration after seeing pictures of her massive cleavage at the Al Smith dinner this years.
Speaking of FBN, I would OK with Maria Bartiromo with a job in the administration after seeing pictures of her massive cleavage at the Al Smith dinner this years.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 28, 2016 03:06 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Tired Lee at November 28, 2016 03:06 PM (RV5uF)
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I take the reports here with less than a grain of salt, as the msm is dangerously stupid, inept and corrupt.
That said, I do think he should rein things in, tighten things up on the communication side. Time to act a little more presidental as they say, and Conway has a running mouth.
I take the reports here with less than a grain of salt, as the msm is dangerously stupid, inept and corrupt.
That said, I do think he should rein things in, tighten things up on the communication side. Time to act a little more presidental as they say, and Conway has a running mouth.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 28, 2016 03:06 PM (ODxAs)
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88 He was an honors student who was turning his life around.
He had a big impact on those closest to him.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at November 28, 2016 03:05 PM (2z74n)
He was on the cutting edge of his field.
He had a big impact on those closest to him.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at November 28, 2016 03:05 PM (2z74n)
He was on the cutting edge of his field.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:07 PM (SRKgf)
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I don't care about anyone's ego, including Trump. Apologies are stupid.
This is all less than interesting.
The only thing that matters is that neither Romney nor Petraeus should be on any list for SecState, even if that list is 12,032 names long. For very different reasons, none of them making either guy bad, or incapable (though Petraeus, always vastly over-rated, beclowned himself badly and really needs to just fade away in general).
WTFFF? Romney could bring something to the table in select areas, foreign policy not being one of them. Obviously. And his character and judgment flaws exhibited in the last year actually make him unsuitable for much besides a narrow, functional, targeted task (fix the VA, etc.).
Commence the outrage, pointing to one duh-obvious comment made in 2012 about Russia, when he was running against a disastrous lightweight non-entity of a president who couldn't hold an intelligent foreign policy discussion with smart 16-yr olds.
This is all less than interesting.
The only thing that matters is that neither Romney nor Petraeus should be on any list for SecState, even if that list is 12,032 names long. For very different reasons, none of them making either guy bad, or incapable (though Petraeus, always vastly over-rated, beclowned himself badly and really needs to just fade away in general).
WTFFF? Romney could bring something to the table in select areas, foreign policy not being one of them. Obviously. And his character and judgment flaws exhibited in the last year actually make him unsuitable for much besides a narrow, functional, targeted task (fix the VA, etc.).
Commence the outrage, pointing to one duh-obvious comment made in 2012 about Russia, when he was running against a disastrous lightweight non-entity of a president who couldn't hold an intelligent foreign policy discussion with smart 16-yr olds.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2016 03:07 PM (QDnY+)
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That Russia?
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:01 PM (/tuJf)
Well, when you trot out actual fascist facts and shit....
Russia, and Putin, is not our friend. They want to preserve what little empire they can, and are willing to expand it at our cost.
Are they willing to launch nukes? Probably not. But using the template of the Cold War is not an irrational analysis.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:01 PM (/tuJf)
Well, when you trot out actual fascist facts and shit....
Russia, and Putin, is not our friend. They want to preserve what little empire they can, and are willing to expand it at our cost.
Are they willing to launch nukes? Probably not. But using the template of the Cold War is not an irrational analysis.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2016 03:07 PM (42Mgr)
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This sure seems to be a lot of pointless spin wheeling over the Head #NeverTrumper, which is why I think Trump has already made the decision to move on to other candidates.
Posted by: John Nada - Formerly #NeverHillary at November 28, 2016 03:07 PM (KLyOA)
Posted by: Billy Occam at November 28, 2016 03:07 PM (ihtYN)
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Yeah, humiliating people has a nasty tendency to backfire.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at November 28, 2016 03:08 PM (RD7QR)
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You mean the Russia who is actively arming and giving money to Russia?
Iran not Russia.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:03 PM (/tuJf)
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Sounds like Obama...
Iran not Russia.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:03 PM (/tuJf)
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Sounds like Obama...
Posted by: Kudzu King at November 28, 2016 03:08 PM (HSmrB)
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Personally, I'd kill for John Bolton as SoS.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
** push diamond necklace thru USB to Jane **
*** activates tracker microchip hidden in necklace ***
Posted by: Jane D'oh
** push diamond necklace thru USB to Jane **
*** activates tracker microchip hidden in necklace ***
Posted by: Adriane the Political Critic ... at November 28, 2016 03:08 PM (AoK0a)
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Persecuted teen driven to violence by racist Trump rhetoric.
Posted by: CNN at November 28, 2016 03:08 PM (0+srV)
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I saw a news report that said Trump has never filled out a March Madness bracket!!! WASF!!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at November 28, 2016 03:08 PM (/Gi86)
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Posted by: John Nada - Formerly #NeverHillary at November 28, 2016 03:01 PM (KLyOA)
Twitchy runs stuff selected from Twitter. It was Twitter users that went nuts - Twitchy just reported it.
Twitchy runs stuff selected from Twitter. It was Twitter users that went nuts - Twitchy just reported it.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Days of Rage and Tears Black Friday Sale at The Outrage Outlet! at November 28, 2016 03:08 PM (hLRSq)
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But using the template of the Cold War is not an irrational analysis.
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Its the template of the last 500 years - the nukes are new of course.
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Its the template of the last 500 years - the nukes are new of course.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:09 PM (gmeXX)
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Stuart Varney?
Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2016 03:04 PM (jkmtt)
No...he's a regular guest, not someone with a show. Although, now that I say that I think he does do Wall Street Week in review on Sunday's. Italian guy.
Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2016 03:04 PM (jkmtt)
No...he's a regular guest, not someone with a show. Although, now that I say that I think he does do Wall Street Week in review on Sunday's. Italian guy.
Posted by: Tami at November 28, 2016 03:09 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: Jen Psocki at November 28, 2016 03:09 PM (vtcmf)
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I luv how Sheppy Shepsplains the news to us.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 28, 2016 03:09 PM (PY9jH)
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While Mitt plays the role of Squirrel! I wonder what The Donald is REALLY doing behind the scenes?
Making awesome decisions and appointments while media lapdogs bark up the wrong tree?
Hope so.
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The trump tower cam thing is so obvious. Its like waiving a doggie treat to get their attention.
The real deal is that they don't want the media digging at what they are really doing, and so they told Romney up front they were going to stage a circus and asked him to play along. He is, and the media took it hook line and sinker. Conway just double set the hook. You do that on particularly hard mouthed fish.
Making awesome decisions and appointments while media lapdogs bark up the wrong tree?
Hope so.
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The trump tower cam thing is so obvious. Its like waiving a doggie treat to get their attention.
The real deal is that they don't want the media digging at what they are really doing, and so they told Romney up front they were going to stage a circus and asked him to play along. He is, and the media took it hook line and sinker. Conway just double set the hook. You do that on particularly hard mouthed fish.
Posted by: simplemind at November 28, 2016 03:09 PM (xVRrG)
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If Trump's got someone on his staff who is spilling his emotional state to the press, he'd better find them and fire them quick.
Posted by: Socratease at November 28, 2016 03:09 PM (FqHs5)
Posted by: brak at November 28, 2016 03:09 PM (guIHw)
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Let's be honest here, the only reason Trump is considering Romney is the same reason Obama appointed Hillary.
He wants to hobble someone that has the infrastructure to possibly challenge him for his Party's primary in 4 years if someone goes haywire.
So basically, once again we're supposed to hire Romney because we know he's a backstabbing weasel.
He wants to hobble someone that has the infrastructure to possibly challenge him for his Party's primary in 4 years if someone goes haywire.
So basically, once again we're supposed to hire Romney because we know he's a backstabbing weasel.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 03:09 PM (KsYpa)
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60 Do NOT want Mittens in charge of the VA.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 28, 2016 03:00 PM (PY9jH)
Mitt DID run an Olympics well, and this in spite of "The Notorious I.O.C."
I think if Mitt's name and honor was at stake running the VA, he would do a good job.
As long as he is administrating policy and not formulating policy, he would be fine I think.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 28, 2016 03:00 PM (PY9jH)
Mitt DID run an Olympics well, and this in spite of "The Notorious I.O.C."
I think if Mitt's name and honor was at stake running the VA, he would do a good job.
As long as he is administrating policy and not formulating policy, he would be fine I think.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 28, 2016 03:10 PM (ujg0T)
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I don't care about anyone's ego, including Trump. Apologies are stupid.
The apology itself isn't the point. Getting him to acknowledge who calls the shots is the point.
The apology itself isn't the point. Getting him to acknowledge who calls the shots is the point.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:10 PM (SRKgf)
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Oh God Jane, you and me both. John Bolton is my dream guy. Along with KT McFarland and we have a winning team. Now all we need is Mad Dog Mattis.
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Breitbart commenters have assured me Bolton is a bad pick because he's too interventionist and nation buildy.
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Breitbart commenters have assured me Bolton is a bad pick because he's too interventionist and nation buildy.
Posted by: John Nada - Formerly #NeverHillary at November 28, 2016 03:10 PM (KLyOA)
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I'm sick of hearing how "loyal" this guy or that guy was, as if that's the prime criterion for selecting someone for a cabinet post. I hope Trump's looking to actual qualifications, not just who sucked up best.
The fact that Christie is on the outside and Romney's under serious consideration is a good thing.
The fact that Christie is on the outside and Romney's under serious consideration is a good thing.
Posted by: red speck at November 28, 2016 03:10 PM (RcEOo)
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and yes I think this is mostly Trump the Trolling Master trolling the MFM ( who are starving for gossip and will step on their dicks to trot literally ANYTHING out as 'news coverage'
and it's also f*cking with Mitt, because, you know, Karma is a bitter bitch
and it's also f*cking with Mitt, because, you know, Karma is a bitter bitch
Posted by: Billy Occam at November 28, 2016 03:10 PM (ihtYN)
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the nukes are new of course.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:09 PM (gmeXX)
Probably newer than ours...which sort of worries me.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:09 PM (gmeXX)
Probably newer than ours...which sort of worries me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2016 03:10 PM (42Mgr)
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Sorry, but you lost me at "According to MSNBCs Morning Joe".
Sorry, but you lost me at "According to MSNBCs Morning Joe".
Posted by: fixerupper at November 28, 2016 03:10 PM (8XRCm)
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For all you who would like Romney as sec state, it'll be funny to see your (imaginary internet) faces when the Fake News instantly turns on Romney the moment he's selected.
Right now the fake news and is using words like "gravitas" to describe Romney because they want Trump to pick him. If Trump picks Romney, the fake news will tell you what they really think of Romney.
For all you who would like Romney as sec state, it'll be funny to see your (imaginary internet) faces when the Fake News instantly turns on Romney the moment he's selected.
Right now the fake news and is using words like "gravitas" to describe Romney because they want Trump to pick him. If Trump picks Romney, the fake news will tell you what they really think of Romney.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:11 PM (kjbSf)
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FBN just showed Petraeus going into Trump tower
I love that he has his own freaking skyscraper President Gravitas had styrofoam columns.
I love that he has his own freaking skyscraper President Gravitas had styrofoam columns.
Posted by: t-bird at November 28, 2016 03:11 PM (2z74n)
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122 If Trump's got someone on his staff who is spilling his emotional state to the press, he'd better find them and fire them quick.
Posted by: Socratease at November 28, 2016 03:09 PM (FqHs5)
Or, even better, get a second staffer to leak diametrically conflicting information.
Posted by: Socratease at November 28, 2016 03:09 PM (FqHs5)
Or, even better, get a second staffer to leak diametrically conflicting information.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:11 PM (SRKgf)
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Twitchy runs stuff selected from Twitter. It was Twitter users that went nuts - Twitchy just reported it.
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They didn't merely report it, the included obnoxious commentary on the tweets that was vintage NeverTrump bullshit. Fuck these idiots.
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They didn't merely report it, the included obnoxious commentary on the tweets that was vintage NeverTrump bullshit. Fuck these idiots.
Posted by: John Nada - Formerly #NeverHillary at November 28, 2016 03:11 PM (KLyOA)
Posted by: Tami at November 28, 2016 03:12 PM (Enq6K)
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Sorry, but you lost me at "According to MSNBCs Morning Joe".
Posted by: fixerupper at November 28, 2016 03:10 PM (8XRCm)
You lost me at "according to MSN"
Posted by: fixerupper at November 28, 2016 03:10 PM (8XRCm)
You lost me at "according to MSN"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:12 PM (SRKgf)
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I just can't work out Romney's position in all this.
This is the man who said he didn't want to tell his grand daughters he did nothing to stop Donald Trump from being president... and now he wants to be in the cabinet??
This is the man who said he didn't want to tell his grand daughters he did nothing to stop Donald Trump from being president... and now he wants to be in the cabinet??
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 03:13 PM (39g3+)
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>>>The fact that Christie is on the outside and Romney's under serious consideration is a good thing.
Christie takes up 2 spots at the Cabinet table. Need guys with Moar abz.
Christie takes up 2 spots at the Cabinet table. Need guys with Moar abz.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at November 28, 2016 03:13 PM (/Gi86)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:14 PM (kjbSf)
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I tried to quote the twitchy so you could see the bias, but python doesn't work.
Posted by: CNN at November 28, 2016 03:14 PM (0+srV)
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Scarborough is just an asswipe.
Yeah, you know the Trump Team is just dying to give MSLSD some inside info on the "feud". Sure they are.
Trump won't give the job to Romney. It's both a gesture to get his backing and a "look this could have been all yours moment."
Remember Trump wants a dynasty. He wants to get things done and hold office for eight years. You have to break a few egos and entertain options that will be controversial to some of the base. He's a lot more adept at this than people give him credit for.
Yeah, you know the Trump Team is just dying to give MSLSD some inside info on the "feud". Sure they are.
Trump won't give the job to Romney. It's both a gesture to get his backing and a "look this could have been all yours moment."
Remember Trump wants a dynasty. He wants to get things done and hold office for eight years. You have to break a few egos and entertain options that will be controversial to some of the base. He's a lot more adept at this than people give him credit for.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 28, 2016 03:14 PM (kS13D)
Posted by: Shep Smith, notorious fairy at November 28, 2016 03:14 PM (ihtYN)
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Even CNN knows better than to use python.
Posted by: davedavedavearf at November 28, 2016 03:14 PM (0+srV)
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The "Trump Staffer" could be Trump himself. He played that game with a tabloid back in the 90s.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 28, 2016 03:14 PM (DW+jj)
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"135 Twitchy runs stuff selected from Twitter. It was Twitter users that went nuts - Twitchy just reported it.
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They didn't merely report it, the included obnoxious commentary on the tweets that was vintage NeverTrump bullshit. Fuck these idiots."
I stopped visiting Twitchy since it would make my computer freeze up for some reason.
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They didn't merely report it, the included obnoxious commentary on the tweets that was vintage NeverTrump bullshit. Fuck these idiots."
I stopped visiting Twitchy since it would make my computer freeze up for some reason.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 28, 2016 03:14 PM (OD2ni)
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I wonder if Trump and Conway are playing a Good Cop Bad Cop game here. Trump wants a public apology from Romney; we know that Trump's ego is easily bruised and requires a lot of massaging to start healing. It could be that Trump is playing nice with Romney while some of his chosen surrogates are attacking the possibility of Romney as Secretary of State as unacceptable, given all the mean things Romney said about Trump.
In other words: Gee, we'd sure like you to be Secretary of State, but Trump's Crazy-Loyal Supporters just won't accept you unless you publicly apologize for offending Mr. Trump...
That was my first thought. This is using Conway as a cat's paw to get Mitt to kiss the ring.
I hadn't thought about the kiss the ring, Mitt, oh, I'm sorry, we decided to go in a different direction. That would be, well, amusing as hell.
I should note this. If Romney is the man of integrity and devoutness that the more loyal of his supporters say, then he would never even deign to consider working for a man that he called a phony and a fraud. To say nothing of Mitt Romney making unsupported allegations about what is contained in another person's tax returns, and, yes, I am full on Lefty butthurt that I defended Romney from Harry Reid's attacks on that only to have Romney pull the same thing.
But yes. If Romney meant all of those things he said, if they were his true convictions, then this wouldn't be a discussion because he would never consider working for Trump.
That he is demonstrates that, maybe, just maybe, Romney is a politician who will make deals and whose deep moral objections to another politician are not necessarily binding, just like every other human being ever. Quelle surprise.
In other words: Gee, we'd sure like you to be Secretary of State, but Trump's Crazy-Loyal Supporters just won't accept you unless you publicly apologize for offending Mr. Trump...
That was my first thought. This is using Conway as a cat's paw to get Mitt to kiss the ring.
I hadn't thought about the kiss the ring, Mitt, oh, I'm sorry, we decided to go in a different direction. That would be, well, amusing as hell.
I should note this. If Romney is the man of integrity and devoutness that the more loyal of his supporters say, then he would never even deign to consider working for a man that he called a phony and a fraud. To say nothing of Mitt Romney making unsupported allegations about what is contained in another person's tax returns, and, yes, I am full on Lefty butthurt that I defended Romney from Harry Reid's attacks on that only to have Romney pull the same thing.
But yes. If Romney meant all of those things he said, if they were his true convictions, then this wouldn't be a discussion because he would never consider working for Trump.
That he is demonstrates that, maybe, just maybe, Romney is a politician who will make deals and whose deep moral objections to another politician are not necessarily binding, just like every other human being ever. Quelle surprise.
Posted by: alexthechick - why does no one listen to me about Outside at November 28, 2016 03:14 PM (mf5HN)
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>>Are they willing to launch nukes? Probably not. But using the template of the Cold War is not an irrational analysis.
Just over the weekend, Iran was talking about establishing naval bases in both Iran and Yemen. Russia is backing Assad in Syria and Iran is backing the Houthi rebels in Yemen.
While Trump was busy celebrating Castro's death, Putin was sending a warm message extolling Castro's friendship and close ties to Russia.
It's naive and dangerous to not look at Putin's hand behind all of this and realize he is and always will be our enemy.
Just over the weekend, Iran was talking about establishing naval bases in both Iran and Yemen. Russia is backing Assad in Syria and Iran is backing the Houthi rebels in Yemen.
While Trump was busy celebrating Castro's death, Putin was sending a warm message extolling Castro's friendship and close ties to Russia.
It's naive and dangerous to not look at Putin's hand behind all of this and realize he is and always will be our enemy.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:15 PM (/tuJf)
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I love that he has his own freaking skyscraper President Gravitas had styrofoam columns.
Posted by: t-bird at November 28, 2016 03:11 PM (2z74n)
Bah A real tower would have a giant burning Golden Scalp Weasel on top!
Posted by: t-bird at November 28, 2016 03:11 PM (2z74n)
Bah A real tower would have a giant burning Golden Scalp Weasel on top!
Posted by: Sauron of Mordor at November 28, 2016 03:15 PM (hLRSq)
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Perhaps to stop Trump.
Maybe but that's one of those lame excuses people use "oh I was working from the inside!" If he was so heinous you couldn't imagine him being president, then why work for the guy??
Something here doesn't pass the smell test.
Maybe but that's one of those lame excuses people use "oh I was working from the inside!" If he was so heinous you couldn't imagine him being president, then why work for the guy??
Something here doesn't pass the smell test.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 03:15 PM (39g3+)
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This is the man who said he didn't want to tell his grand daughters he did nothing to stop Donald Trump from being president... and now he wants to be in the cabinet??
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Well I don't think they have to be mutually exclusive positions. Team of Rivals and all that. But part of me would like to see people have some honor in that their past words meant something to them to the point that they don't want to be on the same team together.
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Well I don't think they have to be mutually exclusive positions. Team of Rivals and all that. But part of me would like to see people have some honor in that their past words meant something to them to the point that they don't want to be on the same team together.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:15 PM (gmeXX)
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For all you who would like Romney as sec state, it'll be funny to see your (imaginary internet) faces when the Fake News instantly turns on Romney the moment he's selected.
Right now the fake news and is using words like "gravitas" to describe Romney because they want Trump to pick him. If Trump picks Romney, the fake news will tell you what they really think of Romney.
Posted by: Soothsayer
That's just it, nothing is ever going to win these people over and get them to start saying nice things about Trump.
McCain spent 8 years undermining Bush and the war effort and was a media darling until he got the nomination in 08, then the NYTimes did a whole expose about McCain fucking a lobbyist. Suddenly McCain was the womanizing, war mongering, corrupt, and senile Senator.
Right now the fake news and is using words like "gravitas" to describe Romney because they want Trump to pick him. If Trump picks Romney, the fake news will tell you what they really think of Romney.
Posted by: Soothsayer
That's just it, nothing is ever going to win these people over and get them to start saying nice things about Trump.
McCain spent 8 years undermining Bush and the war effort and was a media darling until he got the nomination in 08, then the NYTimes did a whole expose about McCain fucking a lobbyist. Suddenly McCain was the womanizing, war mongering, corrupt, and senile Senator.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 03:16 PM (KsYpa)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:16 PM (kjbSf)
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111 Yeah, humiliating people has a nasty tendency to backfire.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at November 28, 2016 03:08 PM (RD7QR)
Caligula used to humiliate the Praetorian Guard by, inter alia, giving them joke watchwords for the night. So when they asked Caligula for the night's watchword, he'd give them ones such as "Kiss me big boy" or some such.
Finally one night some Praetorian had had enough, and kebabed him on the spot.
Gotta be a moral buried in there somewhere.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at November 28, 2016 03:08 PM (RD7QR)
Caligula used to humiliate the Praetorian Guard by, inter alia, giving them joke watchwords for the night. So when they asked Caligula for the night's watchword, he'd give them ones such as "Kiss me big boy" or some such.
Finally one night some Praetorian had had enough, and kebabed him on the spot.
Gotta be a moral buried in there somewhere.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:16 PM (SRKgf)
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True story:
Trump's meeting with Romney involved:
1. Ass-less chaps;
2. A ball gag; and,
3. Rule Number 4 applied (no Vaseline).
Trump's meeting with Romney involved:
1. Ass-less chaps;
2. A ball gag; and,
3. Rule Number 4 applied (no Vaseline).
Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2016 03:16 PM (CS7jF)
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Mass hysteria! Friends, either you are closing your eyes to a situation you do not wish to acknowledge, or you are unaware of the caliber of disaster indicated by the existence of a Trump Presidency!
Well, ya got trouble my friends...
Well, ya got trouble my friends...
Posted by: jwpaine at November 28, 2016 03:17 PM (hoJm7)
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For all you who would like Romney as sec state
Rather see him get the VA going. Then move on to the next department. Repeat as necessary.
For all you who would like Romney as sec state
Rather see him get the VA going. Then move on to the next department. Repeat as necessary.
Posted by: t-bird at November 28, 2016 03:17 PM (2z74n)
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Just over the weekend, Iran was talking about establishing naval bases in both Iran
That's twice. 3rd time you get your countries mixed up and it's Barrel Time.
That's twice. 3rd time you get your countries mixed up and it's Barrel Time.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 28, 2016 03:17 PM (ujg0T)
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UPDATE:
"Law enforcement officials told NBC News the suspect's name is Abdul Artan, an 18-year-old student at the university. He was a Somali refugee who left his homeland with his family in 2007, lived in Pakistan and then came to the United States in 2014 as a legal permanent resident of the United States, officials said."
UPDATE:
"Law enforcement officials told NBC News the suspect's name is Abdul Artan, an 18-year-old student at the university. He was a Somali refugee who left his homeland with his family in 2007, lived in Pakistan and then came to the United States in 2014 as a legal permanent resident of the United States, officials said."
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Tired Lee at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (RV5uF)
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Wait!
What's all this I hear about Violet Tamales injuring people at Ohio State University?
People, Tamales should not be Violet!!! They should be a pleasant Corn Meal color.
Violet Tamales are probably rotten and will give you food poiso-
....Uh huh....
....oh.
Never mind.
Wait!
What's all this I hear about Violet Tamales injuring people at Ohio State University?
People, Tamales should not be Violet!!! They should be a pleasant Corn Meal color.
Violet Tamales are probably rotten and will give you food poiso-
....Uh huh....
....oh.
Never mind.
Posted by: naturalfake at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (vZ9Fw)
Posted by: !Deplorable Lives Matter! at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (oBuXO)
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...or... the media is making all of this up. It's equally possible that trump is meeting with romney to appease the rinos, has no plans of giving him any job, kellyann conway is broadcasting as much to trump voters, and the media is filling in the blanks with their typical bullshit.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (cJrMO)
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Scott Brown has said he's interested in heading up the VA, FWIW.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (PY9jH)
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>>That's twice. 3rd time you get your countries mixed up and it's Barrel Time.
Shit. That means I have to stop working and concentrate here.
I'll just go with the impending barreling.
Shit. That means I have to stop working and concentrate here.
I'll just go with the impending barreling.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (/tuJf)
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Romney's not exactly indispensable. Any one of 500 guys could get the job done.
Posted by: Lord Sir x at November 28, 2016 03:19 PM (nFwvY)
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Re: The last paragraph. I sure hope so.
Posted by: Doug at November 28, 2016 03:19 PM (gBNW4)
Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2016 03:19 PM (jkmtt)
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I'm not opposed to Romney in the administration, but not in state. Something like OMB or as T-Bird says VA. Someplace he can use his skills at recovering businesses and fixing things.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 03:19 PM (39g3+)
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The MSM is reporting it, so don't believe it.
Posted by: josephistan at November 28, 2016 03:19 PM (7HtZB)
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That's just it, nothing is ever going to win these people over and get them to start saying nice things about Trump.
Exactly. That's why I'd have multiple "leakers" leaking conflicting information to the MSM, so they never knew what was what, and they were always in danger of looking ridiculous if they went with any one leaker's story.
It's kind of like a play-action pass or draw play. Is this the real deal, or just designed to get us out of position?
Exactly. That's why I'd have multiple "leakers" leaking conflicting information to the MSM, so they never knew what was what, and they were always in danger of looking ridiculous if they went with any one leaker's story.
It's kind of like a play-action pass or draw play. Is this the real deal, or just designed to get us out of position?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:19 PM (SRKgf)
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24 hours a day is a lotta time to fill, guys. Even with all those Old People Ads,,,
Posted by: Shep Smith, the Pride of Ole Miss at November 28, 2016 03:19 PM (ihtYN)
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Politco headline : Trumph's Koch Administration
1 hour ago on bing.com/news
Posted by: Tired Lee at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (RV5uF)
Um.
The Koch brothers didn't back Trump.
That's, like, Vox level in depth analysis, right there.
1 hour ago on bing.com/news
Posted by: Tired Lee at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (RV5uF)
Um.
The Koch brothers didn't back Trump.
That's, like, Vox level in depth analysis, right there.
Posted by: alexthechick - why does no one listen to me about Outside at November 28, 2016 03:19 PM (mf5HN)
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And what exactly ARE our interests in Syria? Do we even know? Do we blame another rational nation-state for promoting it's own interests while we dither and arm both sides?
We don't have to trust Russia, we don't have to trust any country, but this sword-rattling BS is unreal. The neo-con impulses just can't die quick enough. Quick! Let's antagonize a putative ally into a shooting war when we don't have the means to fight back and completely ignore our $20 TRILLION DOLLAR debt! Sounds like a plan. Let's blame other countries for working in their own self interest because we elected a spineless "leader" twice.
How about we put our own house in order before we go playing world police with the lives of our soldiers over some sandbox?
We don't have to trust Russia, we don't have to trust any country, but this sword-rattling BS is unreal. The neo-con impulses just can't die quick enough. Quick! Let's antagonize a putative ally into a shooting war when we don't have the means to fight back and completely ignore our $20 TRILLION DOLLAR debt! Sounds like a plan. Let's blame other countries for working in their own self interest because we elected a spineless "leader" twice.
How about we put our own house in order before we go playing world police with the lives of our soldiers over some sandbox?
Posted by: Alex #11 at November 28, 2016 03:19 PM (EUMt/)
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So apparently the Quitaly (Italy's version of Brexit) vote is on Dec. 4.
But I'm sure all the pollsters will assure us that it can't possibly pass!
But I'm sure all the pollsters will assure us that it can't possibly pass!
Posted by: Irredeemable and deplorable and proud of it at November 28, 2016 03:19 PM (rgZEV)
Posted by: Stoic Trumpublican at November 28, 2016 03:19 PM (dDOWg)
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Someplace he can use his skills at recovering businesses and fixing things.
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Then go into the business world and run a business.
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Then go into the business world and run a business.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:20 PM (gmeXX)
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The VA should be voucherized, so no need for someone to "clean it up."
Romney for SOS does a few things for Trump:
1) Takes heat off Trump's lack of foreign policy chops.
2) Romney was right about russia, etc. so it also reduces the claims that Trump is soft on russia.
Trump's main focus should be on:
immigration, trade, taxes, Obamacare...
That's a lot of work. Why not get rid of foreign policy concerns by outsourcing them to romney and look mangnamious?
Also, Romney was closer to Trump on trade with regards to foreign policy.
He'd be excellent to be the "good cop" to the Trump bad cop.
That said, he's probably just enjoying forcing them to bend the knee.
Romney for SOS does a few things for Trump:
1) Takes heat off Trump's lack of foreign policy chops.
2) Romney was right about russia, etc. so it also reduces the claims that Trump is soft on russia.
Trump's main focus should be on:
immigration, trade, taxes, Obamacare...
That's a lot of work. Why not get rid of foreign policy concerns by outsourcing them to romney and look mangnamious?
Also, Romney was closer to Trump on trade with regards to foreign policy.
He'd be excellent to be the "good cop" to the Trump bad cop.
That said, he's probably just enjoying forcing them to bend the knee.
Posted by: Harun at November 28, 2016 03:20 PM (UBBWX)
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hysteria! Friends, either you are closing your eyes to a situation you do not wish to acknowledge, or you are unaware of the caliber of disaster indicated by the existence of a Trump Presidency!
Well, ya got trouble my friends...
Posted by: jwpaine at November 28, 2016 03:17 PM (hoJm7)
Tell me about it. Here we are with Trump's transition team in obvious chaos as shown by him making good nominations for important positions within his administration. I warned you that nominating a business man who demands the best from his subordinates or else would be a debacle. I warned you.
Well, ya got trouble my friends...
Posted by: jwpaine at November 28, 2016 03:17 PM (hoJm7)
Tell me about it. Here we are with Trump's transition team in obvious chaos as shown by him making good nominations for important positions within his administration. I warned you that nominating a business man who demands the best from his subordinates or else would be a debacle. I warned you.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Days of Rage and Tears Black Friday Sale at The Outrage Outlet! at November 28, 2016 03:20 PM (hLRSq)
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Anthony Scaramucci
Posted by: Tami at November 28, 2016 03:12 PM (Enq6K)
_____________________
Ain't he the guy on that James Bond movie that had three nipples?
Posted by: Tami at November 28, 2016 03:12 PM (Enq6K)
_____________________
Ain't he the guy on that James Bond movie that had three nipples?
Posted by: Kudzu King at November 28, 2016 03:20 PM (HSmrB)
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Assuming the news reports aren't full of shit (a VERY big assumption) I suspect this is a FU to Romney. Trump has not been reluctant to get rid of people as needed. If Conway was going truly rogue, she would be gone. Well, that's my opinion. Fortunately, I don't have to back it up.
That said, I don't want Romney as SoS (too GOPe squishy) or Petraeus either (too anti-gun). My favorite choice has always been John Bolton.
That said, I don't want Romney as SoS (too GOPe squishy) or Petraeus either (too anti-gun). My favorite choice has always been John Bolton.
Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2016 03:20 PM (V+03K)
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Abdul Artan, an 18-year-old student at the university.
I'm just glad it wasn't Jim Harbaugh. He seemed a little, eh, distraught the other day.
I'm just glad it wasn't Jim Harbaugh. He seemed a little, eh, distraught the other day.
Posted by: t-bird at November 28, 2016 03:21 PM (2z74n)
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Is it really so awful if this is all about extracting an apology out of Romney?
I mean clearly if Mitt thinks Trump is "David Duke", he wouldn't even be taking these meetings with him. He clearly wants the job.
At the very least, shouldn't he go up to a microphone and say he was wrong before he's considered to be hired by the Trump Administration?
I mean clearly if Mitt thinks Trump is "David Duke", he wouldn't even be taking these meetings with him. He clearly wants the job.
At the very least, shouldn't he go up to a microphone and say he was wrong before he's considered to be hired by the Trump Administration?
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 03:21 PM (KsYpa)
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People! People! What does ANY of this have to do with Common Core?
Posted by: Crusader at November 28, 2016 03:21 PM (ewSN2)
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Any progress with General Mattis at DoD?
Posted by: MTF at November 28, 2016 03:21 PM (sCBEO)
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"Um.
The Koch brothers didn't back Trump.
That's, like, Vox level in depth analysis, right there."
The progs claim that Koch get out the vote machine did help Trump...
This what my FB derp lefties said.
The Koch brothers didn't back Trump.
That's, like, Vox level in depth analysis, right there."
The progs claim that Koch get out the vote machine did help Trump...
This what my FB derp lefties said.
Posted by: Harun at November 28, 2016 03:21 PM (UBBWX)
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Seriously, Romney has to be acknowledged and given a job or he will cause trouble. I wouldn't give him State; it's too high profile. Give him Commerce or Energy. That's right up his alley anyway. That keeps him close but doesn't give him too much prestige. But humiliating him and then sending him away just gives The Mittster another reason to make trouble.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at November 28, 2016 03:21 PM (RD7QR)
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I read the story of Stabby McStabby from the drudge link too, and saw my first "the motive is unknown".
I read the story of Stabby McStabby from the drudge link too, and saw my first "the motive is unknown".
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 28, 2016 03:21 PM (ODxAs)
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Suddenly McCain was the womanizing, war mongering, corrupt, and senile Senator.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 03:16 PM (KsYpa)
Who owned SEVEN HOUSES
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 03:16 PM (KsYpa)
Who owned SEVEN HOUSES
Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2016 03:21 PM (jkmtt)
Posted by: Shep Smith, the Pride of Ole Miss at November 28, 2016 03:21 PM (ihtYN)
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165 >>That's twice. 3rd time you get your countries mixed up and it's Barrel Time.
Shit. That means I have to stop working and concentrate here.
I'll just go with the impending barreling.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (/tuJf)
IS OK. I knew what you meant.
That said, the USA dealing with Putin's Russia in the 21st century should be like the British Empire dealing with the Russian Empire in the 19th. "The Great Game". Be friendly to Putin and his nation, but check them when they get out of hand.
Putin is a modern day Tsar.
Shit. That means I have to stop working and concentrate here.
I'll just go with the impending barreling.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (/tuJf)
IS OK. I knew what you meant.
That said, the USA dealing with Putin's Russia in the 21st century should be like the British Empire dealing with the Russian Empire in the 19th. "The Great Game". Be friendly to Putin and his nation, but check them when they get out of hand.
Putin is a modern day Tsar.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 28, 2016 03:21 PM (ujg0T)
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Israeli analyst commenting at Reddit says that for the last 3 years the most common type of terror attack by West Bank Palestinians against Israeli civilians has been:
-- Aim car at large crowd of pedestrians;
-- Step on the gas and mow down as many as you can;
-- Leap out of the car and start stabbing the survivors, using a long knife.
This is EXACTLY was the Ohio terrorist just did. Apparently he was following the Palestinian playbook.
-- Aim car at large crowd of pedestrians;
-- Step on the gas and mow down as many as you can;
-- Leap out of the car and start stabbing the survivors, using a long knife.
This is EXACTLY was the Ohio terrorist just did. Apparently he was following the Palestinian playbook.
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 03:21 PM (jBuUi)
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Ain't he the guy on that James Bond movie that had three nipples?
No, he was the guy who did the Fandango.
No, he was the guy who did the Fandango.
Posted by: t-bird at November 28, 2016 03:21 PM (2z74n)
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Politco headline : Trumph's Koch Administration
Right, because the guy who the Kochs want nothing to do with and who didn't take their money (notably so), who is in conflict with them on a myriad of issues not least of them trade, is now suddenly going to align with them. Because they and he are evil and shit.
I keep forgetting leftism is grounded in just plain, ordinary lies, not plausible lies.
Right, because the guy who the Kochs want nothing to do with and who didn't take their money (notably so), who is in conflict with them on a myriad of issues not least of them trade, is now suddenly going to align with them. Because they and he are evil and shit.
I keep forgetting leftism is grounded in just plain, ordinary lies, not plausible lies.
Posted by: Sporkatus at November 28, 2016 03:21 PM (eXSOZ)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:21 PM (kjbSf)
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I don't want Romney or Petreaus
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 03:22 PM (EbeEQ)
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I suggest Trudeau and Obama issue a common statement this time, and save us the trouble of reading two pieces of absolute garbage, when one will do.
Posted by: MTF at November 28, 2016 03:22 PM (sCBEO)
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1) Takes heat off Trump's lack of foreign policy chops.
2) Romney was right about russia, etc. so it also reduces the claims that Trump is soft on russia.
Posted by: Harun at November 28, 2016 03:20 PM (UBBWX)
1) romney also has no foreign policy experience
2) so? recall that half the country was saying russia is a "geopolitical foe" especially post - georgia invasion in 2008
2) Romney was right about russia, etc. so it also reduces the claims that Trump is soft on russia.
Posted by: Harun at November 28, 2016 03:20 PM (UBBWX)
1) romney also has no foreign policy experience
2) so? recall that half the country was saying russia is a "geopolitical foe" especially post - georgia invasion in 2008
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 03:22 PM (cJrMO)
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"So apparently the Quitaly (Italy's version of Brexit) vote is on Dec. 4."
If you have stock in Brussels Bars & Brothels SA now would be the time to sell.
If you have stock in Brussels Bars & Brothels SA now would be the time to sell.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Days of Rage and Tears Black Friday Sale at The Outrage Outlet! at November 28, 2016 03:22 PM (hLRSq)
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He was a Somali refugee who left his homeland with his family in 2007,
lived in Pakistan and then came to the United States in 2014
Somalia AND Pakistan? Well, certainly no reason to take a long look at these folks before we let them in...
lived in Pakistan and then came to the United States in 2014
Somalia AND Pakistan? Well, certainly no reason to take a long look at these folks before we let them in...
Posted by: tu3031 at November 28, 2016 03:23 PM (qJhUV)
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Actually the Cold War framework makes only very limited sense when dealing with Russia today (from the US point of view).
Minus: ideological component, low-risk/low-cost meddling to expand Soviet influence (Angola, Central America), support for pretty cray-cray terror outfits (most of those are gone anyway), constant pressure on western Europe.
Same: contiguous territorial insecurity (thus sensitive to east European goings-on esp. NATO expansion), historical/traditional determination to keep certain areas under direct control or friendly (Georgia - a peculiar Russian/Soviet obsession different than the rest).
Ukraine is "new" in the sense Russian domination thereof hasn't been a question anyone even thought to ask for half a millenium. But otherwise it fits into the perimeter security category.
Internally, it's not very useful to use the Cold War template. Subtract everything but traditional "great power" ambitions, and the new economic realities (dependence on export commodity prices).
Minus: ideological component, low-risk/low-cost meddling to expand Soviet influence (Angola, Central America), support for pretty cray-cray terror outfits (most of those are gone anyway), constant pressure on western Europe.
Same: contiguous territorial insecurity (thus sensitive to east European goings-on esp. NATO expansion), historical/traditional determination to keep certain areas under direct control or friendly (Georgia - a peculiar Russian/Soviet obsession different than the rest).
Ukraine is "new" in the sense Russian domination thereof hasn't been a question anyone even thought to ask for half a millenium. But otherwise it fits into the perimeter security category.
Internally, it's not very useful to use the Cold War template. Subtract everything but traditional "great power" ambitions, and the new economic realities (dependence on export commodity prices).
Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2016 03:23 PM (QDnY+)
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196 I don't want Romney or Petreaus
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 03:22 PM (EbeEQ)
I agree.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 03:22 PM (EbeEQ)
I agree.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 03:23 PM (cJrMO)
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>>Just over the weekend, Iran was talking about establishing naval bases in both Iran
I am treating these as current events quizzes.
I am treating these as current events quizzes.
Posted by: davedavedavearf at November 28, 2016 03:23 PM (0+srV)
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I think a czar or expanding the role of a cabinet position into "rebuild or destroy departments" official would be very useful to apply. Someone specifically dedicated to paring down, removing waste and fraud, cutting back personnel, and even eliminating positions and agencies.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 03:23 PM (39g3+)
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7 Don't care about squabbles.
EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT from Ohio State:
-- Fire alarm goes off in building;
-- Building evacuated;
-- Students gather in courtyard;
-- Guy who pulled fire alarm then rams car into the victims he forced outside
-- Jumps out of car with a "really weird-looking knife" and starts stabbing;
-- Because of the fire alarm, POLICE WERE ALREADY ON THE SCENE in the courtyard and shot him dead almost immediately.
So, yes: IT WAS A TERROR ATTACK.
Posted by: zombie
I was thinking, knives are jihadi, machetes are African, I was thinking Boko Haram or Somali Jihadi. The judges will also accept 'African Jihadi'.
EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT from Ohio State:
-- Fire alarm goes off in building;
-- Building evacuated;
-- Students gather in courtyard;
-- Guy who pulled fire alarm then rams car into the victims he forced outside
-- Jumps out of car with a "really weird-looking knife" and starts stabbing;
-- Because of the fire alarm, POLICE WERE ALREADY ON THE SCENE in the courtyard and shot him dead almost immediately.
So, yes: IT WAS A TERROR ATTACK.
Posted by: zombie
I was thinking, knives are jihadi, machetes are African, I was thinking Boko Haram or Somali Jihadi. The judges will also accept 'African Jihadi'.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 28, 2016 03:23 PM (iWW0H)
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"Law enforcement officials told NBC News the suspect's name is Abdul Artan, an 18-year-old student at the university. He was a Somali refugee who left his homeland with his family in 2007, lived in Pakistan and then came to the United States in 2014 as a legal permanent resident of the United States, officials said."
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (jBuUi)
So guy was in Somali schools, then Pakistani schools... and now is somehow in a US University...
While my Son, the Vet, can't get the damn classes he needs to finish his degree on time???
/rage stroke...
Bet the guy was on a scholarship or grant too...
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (jBuUi)
So guy was in Somali schools, then Pakistani schools... and now is somehow in a US University...
While my Son, the Vet, can't get the damn classes he needs to finish his degree on time???
/rage stroke...
Bet the guy was on a scholarship or grant too...
Posted by: Don Q. at November 28, 2016 03:23 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:23 PM (kjbSf)
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Ain't he the guy on that James Bond movie that had three nipples?
Posted by: Kudzu King at November 28, 2016 03:20 PM (HSmrB)
Yes, I do believe he was. He's now into finance.
Posted by: Kudzu King at November 28, 2016 03:20 PM (HSmrB)
Yes, I do believe he was. He's now into finance.
Posted by: Tami at November 28, 2016 03:23 PM (Enq6K)
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Romney was right?
Look it did not take a genius to know The Ruskies are usually up to no good or at least what is only good for the Ruskies.
Look it did not take a genius to know The Ruskies are usually up to no good or at least what is only good for the Ruskies.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 03:23 PM (EbeEQ)
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*flamethrows Crusader*
I mean, admittedly, that was funny. But still.
Tell me about it. Here we are with Trump's transition team in obvious chaos as shown by him making good nominations for important positions within his administration. I warned you that nominating a business man who demands the best from his subordinates or else would be a debacle. I warned you.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Days of Rage and Tears Black Friday Sale at The Outrage Outlet! at November 28, 2016 03:20 PM (hLRSq)
It's interesting, Bander and I were discussing this, and I mentioned that Trump's campaign was oh noes totes in disarray because he got rid of people and hired new people. Well, in retrospect, he hired the person he needed for one phase, that phase ended and he hired the person he needed for the next phase. You know, like a business does.
So what does he need Kellyanne Conway for now? Her job was to get him elected. She did. Job's done now.
Mind you, she showed excellence in one area and it's wise to hold on to those people to move them to another area but if he let her go, it wouldn't say anything other than hey she did her job and now that job is done.
I am a bit startled by her throwing out the girl card though. That seems out of character.
I mean, admittedly, that was funny. But still.
Tell me about it. Here we are with Trump's transition team in obvious chaos as shown by him making good nominations for important positions within his administration. I warned you that nominating a business man who demands the best from his subordinates or else would be a debacle. I warned you.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Days of Rage and Tears Black Friday Sale at The Outrage Outlet! at November 28, 2016 03:20 PM (hLRSq)
It's interesting, Bander and I were discussing this, and I mentioned that Trump's campaign was oh noes totes in disarray because he got rid of people and hired new people. Well, in retrospect, he hired the person he needed for one phase, that phase ended and he hired the person he needed for the next phase. You know, like a business does.
So what does he need Kellyanne Conway for now? Her job was to get him elected. She did. Job's done now.
Mind you, she showed excellence in one area and it's wise to hold on to those people to move them to another area but if he let her go, it wouldn't say anything other than hey she did her job and now that job is done.
I am a bit startled by her throwing out the girl card though. That seems out of character.
Posted by: alexthechick - why does no one listen to me about Outside at November 28, 2016 03:24 PM (mf5HN)
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I can buy that Conway feels she has an obligation to report on the conservative reaction to the possibility of Romney. Which is, in a word, no fuckin' way. The straw poll at Breitbart has Romney coming in a distant 4th.
Every administration has some degree of infighting.
Every administration has some degree of infighting.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 28, 2016 03:24 PM (b/kAv)
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Did anyone see Soledad O'Brien beclown herself on Morning Joe today? She has family who still live in Cuba and are apparently happy as pigs in slop.
You know, because for *some* families, Fidel was like a kindly old uncle or something.
You know, because for *some* families, Fidel was like a kindly old uncle or something.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 28, 2016 03:24 PM (PY9jH)
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"Law enforcement officials told NBC News the suspect's name is Abdul Artan, an 18-year-old student at the university. He was a Somali refugee who left his homeland with his family in 2007, lived in Pakistan and then came to the United States in 2014 as a legal permanent resident of the United States, officials said."
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (jBuUi)
THAT is pretty much THE resume of a Terrorist
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (jBuUi)
THAT is pretty much THE resume of a Terrorist
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 03:24 PM (EbeEQ)
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I have a new pet theory: Geraldo Rivera is morphing into Yoko Ono
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Nah, they're both just butt-ugly and stupid as stumps, so sometimes it's hard to tell them apart.
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Nah, they're both just butt-ugly and stupid as stumps, so sometimes it's hard to tell them apart.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton Will Never Be President! at November 28, 2016 03:25 PM (rgZEV)
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We don't have to trust Russia, we don't have to trust any country, but this sword-rattling BS is unreal. The neo-con impulses just can't die quick enough. Quick! Let's antagonize a putative ally into a shooting war when we don't have the means to fight back and completely ignore our $20 TRILLION DOLLAR debt! Sounds like a plan. Let's blame other countries for working in their own self interest because we elected a spineless "leader" twice.
How about we put our own house in order before we go playing world police with the lives of our soldiers over some sandbox?
Posted by: Alex #11 at November 28, 2016 03:19 PM (EUMt/)
This, this and THIS.
I don't hate the neo-cons; in fact, I like the idea of "Team America: World Police". I even grant them well-meaning good intentions.
But after the Obamunist at least tripling and arguably quintupling the national debt and the rot and ruin of the last 8 years, we need to retrench, reequip, retool, refortify, rearm, and revamp.
Neo-cons have to be told "NO, we just aren't ready."
Because we aren't.
How about we put our own house in order before we go playing world police with the lives of our soldiers over some sandbox?
Posted by: Alex #11 at November 28, 2016 03:19 PM (EUMt/)
This, this and THIS.
I don't hate the neo-cons; in fact, I like the idea of "Team America: World Police". I even grant them well-meaning good intentions.
But after the Obamunist at least tripling and arguably quintupling the national debt and the rot and ruin of the last 8 years, we need to retrench, reequip, retool, refortify, rearm, and revamp.
Neo-cons have to be told "NO, we just aren't ready."
Because we aren't.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 28, 2016 03:25 PM (ujg0T)
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No, he was the guy who did the Fandango.
____________________________
Thunder bolts and lightning?
No, he was the guy who did the Fandango.
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Thunder bolts and lightning?
Posted by: Kudzu King at November 28, 2016 03:25 PM (HSmrB)
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Somalia AND Pakistan? Well, certainly no reason to take a long look at these folks before we let them in...
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Wait don't be hasty. Somalia and Pakistan are right next to each other, right? Its not like they crossed into another continent and lived there for like 7 years before coming here . . .
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Wait don't be hasty. Somalia and Pakistan are right next to each other, right? Its not like they crossed into another continent and lived there for like 7 years before coming here . . .
Posted by: typical 20 something at November 28, 2016 03:25 PM (xVRrG)
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If Romney is hired I'd suggest putting him n charge of an internal consulting function to identify budget cuts and improve service delivery.
Mitt and Bain could combine to be the new "Grace Commission", and review the various agencies. He's be great.
Mitt and Bain could combine to be the new "Grace Commission", and review the various agencies. He's be great.
Posted by: MTF at November 28, 2016 03:25 PM (sCBEO)
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>>That said, the USA dealing with Putin's Russia in the 21st century should be like the British Empire dealing with the Russian Empire in the 19th. "The Great Game". Be friendly to Putin and his nation, but check them when they get out of hand.
He is out of hand.
Russia is a gas station posing as a nation. Over half their GDP comes from oil and gas production and sale.
They are in the Middle East for a reason, they use oil and gas as a weapon to the EU, embargo on, embargo off stuff.
If you look at in this respect all of their movements over the last few years make perfect sense. Iran, Syria, Ukraine, Turkey, it's all being done for a reason and it is most definitely not in our or the greater West's interest.
He is out of hand.
Russia is a gas station posing as a nation. Over half their GDP comes from oil and gas production and sale.
They are in the Middle East for a reason, they use oil and gas as a weapon to the EU, embargo on, embargo off stuff.
If you look at in this respect all of their movements over the last few years make perfect sense. Iran, Syria, Ukraine, Turkey, it's all being done for a reason and it is most definitely not in our or the greater West's interest.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:25 PM (/tuJf)
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3, 2, 1....
Ohio State Muslim attacker a Trump shill doing a false flag operation to justify Trump's anti-Muslim immigration plan!!!
Ohio State Muslim attacker a Trump shill doing a false flag operation to justify Trump's anti-Muslim immigration plan!!!
Posted by: The Krazy Left at November 28, 2016 03:25 PM (jBuUi)
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>> and then came to the United States in 2014 as a
>> legal permanent resident of the United States
Under any other administration I'd say "What the fuck" but then we know all about the current bunch.
>> legal permanent resident of the United States
Under any other administration I'd say "What the fuck" but then we know all about the current bunch.
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 03:26 PM (TppKb)
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No, he was the guy who did the Fandango.
____________________________
Thunder bolts and lightning?
Galileo?
No, he was the guy who did the Fandango.
____________________________
Thunder bolts and lightning?
Galileo?
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:26 PM (kjbSf)
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204 I think a czar or expanding the role of a cabinet position into "rebuild or destroy departments" official would be very useful to apply. Someone specifically dedicated to paring down, removing waste and fraud, cutting back personnel, and even eliminating positions and agencies.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 03:23 PM (39g3+)
Thats fine as long as it's a sunsetting position and is run by an ass kicker who has a zero dollar base salary and gets paid commission based on how much he cuts.
Otherwise it just becomes another ridiculous piece of our bureaucracy.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 03:23 PM (39g3+)
Thats fine as long as it's a sunsetting position and is run by an ass kicker who has a zero dollar base salary and gets paid commission based on how much he cuts.
Otherwise it just becomes another ridiculous piece of our bureaucracy.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 03:26 PM (cJrMO)
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What position is General Kelly being considered for?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 28, 2016 03:26 PM (PY9jH)
225
187 Seriously, Romney has to be acknowledged and given a job or he will cause trouble. I wouldn't give him State; it's too high profile. Give him Commerce or Energy. That's right up his alley anyway. That keeps him close but doesn't give him too much prestige. But humiliating him and then sending him away just gives The Mittster another reason to make trouble.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at November 28, 2016 03:21 PM (RD7QR)
It's also fourth in line for the presidency. You want someone in the position who is going to be on your side, or who helped you out big time to get elected. I sense that was why Hitlery got the position under Obama for the first term. Kerry seems more of the former reasoning.
Romney fits neither of these categories, so he would be a poor fit for the job. Frankly, so would Petraeus. SecState is supposed to be the top diplomat-the face of the president to other foreign ministers, and heads of state, for treaties, and international incidents Former military make poor fits for SecState because they don't have the nuance for the position-see Colin Powell.
I would have liked to see Bolton considered, but since he's not in the running, then anybody but Mitt works for me.
Commerce is actually a very good fit for him. (Romney)
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at November 28, 2016 03:21 PM (RD7QR)
It's also fourth in line for the presidency. You want someone in the position who is going to be on your side, or who helped you out big time to get elected. I sense that was why Hitlery got the position under Obama for the first term. Kerry seems more of the former reasoning.
Romney fits neither of these categories, so he would be a poor fit for the job. Frankly, so would Petraeus. SecState is supposed to be the top diplomat-the face of the president to other foreign ministers, and heads of state, for treaties, and international incidents Former military make poor fits for SecState because they don't have the nuance for the position-see Colin Powell.
I would have liked to see Bolton considered, but since he's not in the running, then anybody but Mitt works for me.
Commerce is actually a very good fit for him. (Romney)
Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at November 28, 2016 03:27 PM (VnCI9)
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I don't hate the neo-cons; in fact, I like the idea of "Team America: World Police". I even grant them well-meaning good intentions.
But after the Obamunist at least tripling and arguably quintupling the national debt and the rot and ruin of the last 8 years, we need to retrench, reequip, retool, refortify, rearm, and revamp.
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I don't always know where a neo-con begins v someone who believes it is in our best interest to control the shipping lanes, to maintain a presence in certain areas of the globe to keep them from getting too hot, etc.
But after the Obamunist at least tripling and arguably quintupling the national debt and the rot and ruin of the last 8 years, we need to retrench, reequip, retool, refortify, rearm, and revamp.
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I don't always know where a neo-con begins v someone who believes it is in our best interest to control the shipping lanes, to maintain a presence in certain areas of the globe to keep them from getting too hot, etc.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:27 PM (gmeXX)
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So apparently the Quitaly (Italy's version of Brexit) vote is on Dec. 4.
I don't see that happening. Italy is one of the sponges in the EU, not producers. They gain nothing by leaving and lose a lot.
I don't see that happening. Italy is one of the sponges in the EU, not producers. They gain nothing by leaving and lose a lot.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 03:27 PM (39g3+)
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Apparently Stabby McStabface was interviewed in the OSU paper and is quoted thusly:
I'm a Muslim, it's not what the media portrays me to be. If people look at me, a Muslim praying, I don't know what they're going to think.
I'm a Muslim, it's not what the media portrays me to be. If people look at me, a Muslim praying, I don't know what they're going to think.
Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2016 03:27 PM (tewYv)
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No, he was the guy who did the Fandango.
____________________________
Thunder bolts and lightning?
Galileo?
Figaro
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Thunder bolts and lightning?
Galileo?
Figaro
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 28, 2016 03:27 PM (ZQfW9)
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"1) romney also has no foreign policy experience
2) so? recall that half the country was saying russia is a "geopolitical foe" especially post - georgia invasion in 2008"
The media had an epiphany that Romney in 2012 was right. This plays into that. He's "the adult."
That's the only reason to consider him. It would force the MSM to shut up and mollify a lot of people who were mostly scared about Trump's demeanor.
honestly, I don't think Romney will be chosen.
I think its just to make him bend the knee.
2) so? recall that half the country was saying russia is a "geopolitical foe" especially post - georgia invasion in 2008"
The media had an epiphany that Romney in 2012 was right. This plays into that. He's "the adult."
That's the only reason to consider him. It would force the MSM to shut up and mollify a lot of people who were mostly scared about Trump's demeanor.
honestly, I don't think Romney will be chosen.
I think its just to make him bend the knee.
Posted by: Harun at November 28, 2016 03:27 PM (UBBWX)
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I'd like to see General Mills get a place in the Trump admin. Perhaps the FDA.
I'd like to see General Mills get a place in the Trump admin. Perhaps the FDA.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (kjbSf)
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Can't wait to find out who the Columbus Killer voted for.
Wait- since we haven't heard I think we all know the answer.
Wait- since we haven't heard I think we all know the answer.
Posted by: MTF at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (sCBEO)
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WaPo headlines were nothing but gushing sycophancy and Obama ass kissing in Nov 2008.
Today they are nothing but attacks on Trump and an unsourced allegations.
No the media is not biased is it?
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/11/05/
Today they are nothing but attacks on Trump and an unsourced allegations.
No the media is not biased is it?
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/11/05/
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (mpXpK)
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One thing I am still puzzled about is why would Romney be even remotely interested in any position in the Trump administration? It's not like he needs the job and I would think out of pride, if nothing else, he would recuse himself from consideration.
Posted by: IC at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (a0IVu)
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>> Nah, they're both just butt-ugly and stupid as
>> stumps, so sometimes it's hard to tell them apart.
Ever heard Geraldo sing?
Okay maybe it's still hard to tell them apart.
>> stumps, so sometimes it's hard to tell them apart.
Ever heard Geraldo sing?
Okay maybe it's still hard to tell them apart.
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (TppKb)
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It would be stupid to humiliate Romney. What purpose would it serve, apart from ego gratification?
I don't know about Trump's ego, but mine would be gratified greatly. I want people to mention Romney as an example of what NOT to do when we are picking out candidates from 2024 to 2042.
I don't know about Trump's ego, but mine would be gratified greatly. I want people to mention Romney as an example of what NOT to do when we are picking out candidates from 2024 to 2042.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (VdICR)
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213 "Law enforcement officials told NBC News the suspect's name is Abdul Artan, an 18-year-old student at the university. He was a Somali refugee who left his homeland with his family in 2007, lived in Pakistan and then came to the United States in 2014 as a legal permanent resident of the United States, officials said."
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (jBuUi)
THAT is pretty much THE resume of a Terrorist
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 03:24 PM (EbeEQ)
Yep. That's like saying he was drafted out of college, played single A and then triple A ball before moving up to the big club.
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (jBuUi)
THAT is pretty much THE resume of a Terrorist
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 03:24 PM (EbeEQ)
Yep. That's like saying he was drafted out of college, played single A and then triple A ball before moving up to the big club.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (SRKgf)
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I don't always know where a neo-con begins v someone who believes it is in our best interest to control the shipping lanes, to maintain a presence in certain areas of the globe to keep them from getting too hot
Nobody does. Neo-con is just an insult to throw around and end conversation, like alt-right or hater.
Nobody does. Neo-con is just an insult to throw around and end conversation, like alt-right or hater.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (39g3+)
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It's naive and dangerous and really fvcking stupid to not look at Putin's hand behind all of this and realize he is and always will be our enemy.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:15 PM (/tuJf)
Just helping out a bit.
I agree 100%.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:15 PM (/tuJf)
Just helping out a bit.
I agree 100%.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (42Mgr)
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No, he was the guy who did the Fandango.
____________________________
Thunder bolts and lightning?
Galileo?
Figaro
Magnifico!
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Thunder bolts and lightning?
Galileo?
Figaro
Magnifico!
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at November 28, 2016 03:29 PM (9krrF)
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Rick Cocksucker Wilson is on CNN right now crapping on Trump voters and Trump.
Rick Cocksucker Wilson is on CNN right now crapping on Trump voters and Trump.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:29 PM (kjbSf)
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No, he was the guy who did the Fandango.
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Thunder bolts and lightning?
Very, very frightening!
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Thunder bolts and lightning?
Very, very frightening!
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 03:29 PM (sUwfN)
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>> I'm a Muslim, it's not what the media portrays me to
>> be. If people look at me, a Muslim praying, I don't
>> know what they're going to think.
Well, maybe we do know what to think.
>> be. If people look at me, a Muslim praying, I don't
>> know what they're going to think.
Well, maybe we do know what to think.
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 03:29 PM (TppKb)
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Mrs. Goodbody, aka Kellyanne Conway, is doing exactly what Trump wants her to do. Trump appears to be totally spontaneous and random, he isn't. He plays the long game.
Posted by: gNewt at November 28, 2016 03:29 PM (kHwSu)
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I don't always know where a neo-con begins v someone who believes it is in our best interest to control the shipping lanes, to maintain a presence in certain areas of the globe to keep them from getting too hot, etc.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:27 PM (gmeXX)
Neo-Con is another left wing term that we allow to be used to define us. It's a non-sensical term since it blankets many people with differing views with the the same brush. i hate the term
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:27 PM (gmeXX)
Neo-Con is another left wing term that we allow to be used to define us. It's a non-sensical term since it blankets many people with differing views with the the same brush. i hate the term
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 03:29 PM (EbeEQ)
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If Romney is hired I'd suggest putting him n charge of an internal consulting function to identify budget cuts and improve service delivery.
Mitt and Bain could combine to be the new "Grace Commission", and review the various agencies. He's be great.
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Trump needs to privatize a absolute metric F ton of these government agencies. Contract them and if they want to make money they have to cut staff and make budgets and deliver services.
Mitt and Bain could combine to be the new "Grace Commission", and review the various agencies. He's be great.
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Trump needs to privatize a absolute metric F ton of these government agencies. Contract them and if they want to make money they have to cut staff and make budgets and deliver services.
Posted by: simplemind at November 28, 2016 03:29 PM (xVRrG)
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Rick Cocksucker Wilson is on CNN right now crapping on Trump voters and Trump.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:29 PM (kjbSf)
Can we make Weirddave's post a sticky?
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:29 PM (kjbSf)
Can we make Weirddave's post a sticky?
Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2016 03:30 PM (tewYv)
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I'm a Muslim, it's not what the media portrays me to be. If people look at me, a Muslim praying, I don't know what they're going to think.
Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2016 03:27 PM (tewYv)
I dunno about praying, but I want to see some Muslims asked if they have any last words.
Yeah, MAJ Hasan, I'm looking at you.
Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2016 03:27 PM (tewYv)
I dunno about praying, but I want to see some Muslims asked if they have any last words.
Yeah, MAJ Hasan, I'm looking at you.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:30 PM (SRKgf)
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It is funny though that Romney is supposed to be some awesome international expert all because he was in charge of the Winter Olympics in Utah.
I'm not saying it's "nothing", but at least Petreus has real world experience being a former 4 star General.
I personally think both men though have shown unsound judgement when it mattered most.
I'm not saying it's "nothing", but at least Petreus has real world experience being a former 4 star General.
I personally think both men though have shown unsound judgement when it mattered most.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 03:30 PM (KsYpa)
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The media had an epiphany that Romney in 2012 was right. This plays into that. He's "the adult."
That's the only reason to consider him. It would force the MSM to shut up and mollify a lot of people who were mostly scared about Trump's demeanor.
honestly, I don't think Romney will be chosen.
I think its just to make him bend the knee.
Posted by: Harun at November 28, 2016 03:27 PM (UBBWX)
That is not at all how our media works. They will not ever acknowledge that he was right and Obama was gone, they will pretend that never happened.
They will pretend they respect him up to and until the moment he gets a job in the administration, then they will go back to doing what they do to all Republicans in power or near power: try to destroy them.
Those are, no offense, dumb reasons to pick someone for anything.
The media will never like or respect us, nor will they ever treat us fairly.
That's the only reason to consider him. It would force the MSM to shut up and mollify a lot of people who were mostly scared about Trump's demeanor.
honestly, I don't think Romney will be chosen.
I think its just to make him bend the knee.
Posted by: Harun at November 28, 2016 03:27 PM (UBBWX)
That is not at all how our media works. They will not ever acknowledge that he was right and Obama was gone, they will pretend that never happened.
They will pretend they respect him up to and until the moment he gets a job in the administration, then they will go back to doing what they do to all Republicans in power or near power: try to destroy them.
Those are, no offense, dumb reasons to pick someone for anything.
The media will never like or respect us, nor will they ever treat us fairly.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 03:30 PM (cJrMO)
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Someone remind us again who said Rick Wilson was a "friend to the blog" meaning AoS, please.
Someone remind us again who said Rick Wilson was a "friend to the blog" meaning AoS, please.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:30 PM (kjbSf)
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241 Rick Cocksucker Wilson is on CNN right now crapping on Trump voters and Trump
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He's just mad that his income is zero now.
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He's just mad that his income is zero now.
Posted by: MTF at November 28, 2016 03:30 PM (sCBEO)
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Be disappointed if the job went to either
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at November 28, 2016 03:30 PM (mr+B+)
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I don't always know where a neo-con begins v someone who believes it is in our best interest to control the shipping lanes, to maintain a presence in certain areas of the globe to keep them from getting too hot, etc.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:27 PM (gmeXX)
Neo-Con is another left wing term that we allow to be used to define us. It's a non-sensical term since it blankets many people with differing views with the the same brush. i hate the term
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Well it was being used on this thread. So those commentators must have thought it meant something - obviously pejorative.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:27 PM (gmeXX)
Neo-Con is another left wing term that we allow to be used to define us. It's a non-sensical term since it blankets many people with differing views with the the same brush. i hate the term
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Well it was being used on this thread. So those commentators must have thought it meant something - obviously pejorative.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:30 PM (gmeXX)
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They are in the Middle East for a reason, they use oil and gas as a weapon to the EU, embargo on, embargo off stuff.
If you look at in this respect all of their movements over the last few years make perfect sense. Iran, Syria, Ukraine, Turkey, it's all being done for a reason and it is most definitely not in our or the greater West's interest.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:25 PM (/tuJf)
And we have the largest known oil reserves in the world... and are sitting on enough Natural Gas to choke a horse... not to mention coal...
So why are we saber rattling over the EU's problem? When they are bigger than us?
EU has 510 Million people.... Russia 144 Million...
Why the hell are WE worried about the EU, when we can't pay our OWN damn bills?
If you look at in this respect all of their movements over the last few years make perfect sense. Iran, Syria, Ukraine, Turkey, it's all being done for a reason and it is most definitely not in our or the greater West's interest.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:25 PM (/tuJf)
And we have the largest known oil reserves in the world... and are sitting on enough Natural Gas to choke a horse... not to mention coal...
So why are we saber rattling over the EU's problem? When they are bigger than us?
EU has 510 Million people.... Russia 144 Million...
Why the hell are WE worried about the EU, when we can't pay our OWN damn bills?
Posted by: Don Q. at November 28, 2016 03:31 PM (qf6WZ)
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I don't see that happening. Italy is one of the sponges in the EU, not producers. They gain nothing by leaving and lose a lot.
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Could be. I don't know how much support it has with Italian voters, but if it passes, that will be a 2016 "reclaiming our sovereignty" trifecta:
(1) Brexit
(2) Election of Trump
(3) Quitaly
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Could be. I don't know how much support it has with Italian voters, but if it passes, that will be a 2016 "reclaiming our sovereignty" trifecta:
(1) Brexit
(2) Election of Trump
(3) Quitaly
Posted by: Hillary Clinton Will Never Be President! at November 28, 2016 03:31 PM (rgZEV)
Posted by: Some Guy at November 28, 2016 03:31 PM (q177U)
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So guy was in Somali schools, then Pakistani schools... and now is somehow in a US University...
While my Son, the Vet, can't get the damn classes he needs to finish his degree on time???
/rage stroke...
Bet the guy was on a scholarship or grant too...
Posted by: Don Q.
You don't understand.
Mr. Somali is a Noble Savage, a little brown brother who has suffered at the hands of imperialism.
You son, conversely, has White Privilege and is thus the embodiments of capitalism oppression and must pay for his crimes by have his face metaphorical stomped into the curb forever.
While my Son, the Vet, can't get the damn classes he needs to finish his degree on time???
/rage stroke...
Bet the guy was on a scholarship or grant too...
Posted by: Don Q.
You don't understand.
Mr. Somali is a Noble Savage, a little brown brother who has suffered at the hands of imperialism.
You son, conversely, has White Privilege and is thus the embodiments of capitalism oppression and must pay for his crimes by have his face metaphorical stomped into the curb forever.
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 03:31 PM (jBuUi)
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Mostly I was upset about the Michigan game.
Posted by: zombie Ardul Artan at November 28, 2016 03:31 PM (ihtYN)
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136 Anthony Scaramucci
Posted by: Tami at November 28, 2016 03:12 PM (Enq6K)
Will he do the fandango?
Posted by: Tami at November 28, 2016 03:12 PM (Enq6K)
Will he do the fandango?
Posted by: Insomniac at November 28, 2016 03:31 PM (0mRoj)
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Hugh Hewitt is that you?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 28, 2016 03:31 PM (VdICR)
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OK, I don't get this. How can an 18 year-old Somali refugee be ready for college?
Is the Somali education system that good? Most 18 Americans aren't ready for college. And don't they administer entrance exams anymore? How could he pass such an exam?
Is the Somali education system that good? Most 18 Americans aren't ready for college. And don't they administer entrance exams anymore? How could he pass such an exam?
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 03:31 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:31 PM (kjbSf)
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Sarah Palin.....JUST to piss off the liberals.
And also to continually use the line about 'how refreshing it is to have a competent white, female Secretary of State for a change.'
And also to continually use the line about 'how refreshing it is to have a competent white, female Secretary of State for a change.'
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 28, 2016 03:31 PM (BoQ04)
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am a bit startled by her throwing out the girl card though. That seems out of character.
Posted by: alexthechick - why does no one listen to me about Outside at November 28, 2016 03:24 PM (mf5HN)
Throw it right back in the MSM faces. Racism, sexism, etc. Make them sputter and go on defense.
Posted by: alexthechick - why does no one listen to me about Outside at November 28, 2016 03:24 PM (mf5HN)
Throw it right back in the MSM faces. Racism, sexism, etc. Make them sputter and go on defense.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Days of Rage and Tears Black Friday Sale at The Outrage Outlet! at November 28, 2016 03:31 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:32 PM (kjbSf)
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Why the hell are WE worried about the EU, when we can't pay our OWN damn bills?
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First, we pay our bills (whether we can in the future ...). Second, history suggests that we get entangled in big wars in the EU. That is why I am concerned.
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First, we pay our bills (whether we can in the future ...). Second, history suggests that we get entangled in big wars in the EU. That is why I am concerned.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:32 PM (gmeXX)
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Well it was being used on this thread. So those commentators must have thought it meant something - obviously pejorative.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:30 PM (gmeXX)
Oh I know they do...but I still think it's a stupid term. Just like Alt-Right...what ever it originally meant, it has morphed way out of proportion to it's original intent.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:30 PM (gmeXX)
Oh I know they do...but I still think it's a stupid term. Just like Alt-Right...what ever it originally meant, it has morphed way out of proportion to it's original intent.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 03:32 PM (EbeEQ)
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"People Are Already Terrified About How Donald Trump Will React To Ohio State"
http://tinyurl.com/zbauk86
http://tinyurl.com/zbauk86
Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at November 28, 2016 03:32 PM (/D5Lf)
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Sarah Palin to head up the Dept. of the Interior.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 28, 2016 03:32 PM (PY9jH)
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239 It's naive and dangerous and really fvcking stupid to not look at Putin's hand behind all of this and realize he is and always will be our enemy.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:15 PM (/tuJf)
Just helping out a bit.
I agree 100%.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (42Mgr)
Me too. The question is how to use Putin to advance our own interests. Fighting Islamic terrorism, for example. The Russkis can play hardball that we - thanks to our lily-livered MSM and the soccer moms - cannot. OK, how can we promote that outcome?
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:15 PM (/tuJf)
Just helping out a bit.
I agree 100%.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (42Mgr)
Me too. The question is how to use Putin to advance our own interests. Fighting Islamic terrorism, for example. The Russkis can play hardball that we - thanks to our lily-livered MSM and the soccer moms - cannot. OK, how can we promote that outcome?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:33 PM (SRKgf)
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Rick Cocksucker Wilson is on CNN right now crapping on Trump voters and Trump
With a middle name like that I can understand a little anger.
Maybe he should change it, or not use it officially.
With a middle name like that I can understand a little anger.
Maybe he should change it, or not use it officially.
Posted by: Bruce at November 28, 2016 03:33 PM (8ikIW)
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So guy was in Somali schools, then Pakistani schools... and now is somehow in a US University...
While my Son, the Vet, can't get the damn classes he needs to finish his degree on time???
/rage stroke...
Bet the guy was on a scholarship or grant too...
Posted by: Don Q. at November 28, 2016 03:23 PM (qf6WZ)
But you see, your son has "privilege" and all kinds of unfair advantages, while this poor Somali refugee needed a hand up...
Gah, I can't even. Not even in jest. My kids can't get financial aid, but I agree with you that this joke probably had all kinds of grants and scholarships.
It makes me insane. Also, one of the things to clean up at State-USAID/PAO office have huge funds of money for foreign scholarships. I say nuke those, give the money to ACTUAL citizens, and make sure all of ours that want to go to college or trade school get to, before we give a dime to foreign students. And require that of universities, as well.
Sorry. Will stop ranting now.
So guy was in Somali schools, then Pakistani schools... and now is somehow in a US University...
While my Son, the Vet, can't get the damn classes he needs to finish his degree on time???
/rage stroke...
Bet the guy was on a scholarship or grant too...
Posted by: Don Q. at November 28, 2016 03:23 PM (qf6WZ)
But you see, your son has "privilege" and all kinds of unfair advantages, while this poor Somali refugee needed a hand up...
Gah, I can't even. Not even in jest. My kids can't get financial aid, but I agree with you that this joke probably had all kinds of grants and scholarships.
It makes me insane. Also, one of the things to clean up at State-USAID/PAO office have huge funds of money for foreign scholarships. I say nuke those, give the money to ACTUAL citizens, and make sure all of ours that want to go to college or trade school get to, before we give a dime to foreign students. And require that of universities, as well.
Sorry. Will stop ranting now.
Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at November 28, 2016 03:33 PM (VnCI9)
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"That is not at all how our media works. They will not ever acknowledge that he was right and Obama was gone, they will pretend that never happened.
They will pretend they respect him up to and until the moment he gets a job in the administration, then they will go back to doing what they do to all Republicans in power or near power: try to destroy them.
Those are, no offense, dumb reasons to pick someone for anything."
Its the only reason I can think of, except maybe to placate Cons who worry about Trump on foreign policy.
This is why again, I don't think he's really being considered. Because I agree that the rationale isn't there.
Why do you think he is?
They will pretend they respect him up to and until the moment he gets a job in the administration, then they will go back to doing what they do to all Republicans in power or near power: try to destroy them.
Those are, no offense, dumb reasons to pick someone for anything."
Its the only reason I can think of, except maybe to placate Cons who worry about Trump on foreign policy.
This is why again, I don't think he's really being considered. Because I agree that the rationale isn't there.
Why do you think he is?
Posted by: Harun at November 28, 2016 03:33 PM (UBBWX)
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The General would be a better choice.
Mitt was my governor & i haven't forgiven him for RomneyCare .
Mitt was my governor & i haven't forgiven him for RomneyCare .
Posted by: Carol at November 28, 2016 03:34 PM (sj3Ax)
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>>If Romney is hired I'd suggest putting him n charge of an internal
consulting function to identify budget cuts and improve service
delivery.
Mitt and Bain could combine to be the new "Grace Commission", and review the various agencies. He's be great.
That is his specialty - turning failing businesses around, and our government is failing for all sorts of reasons, including inefficiency, scope creep, public sector unions, Obama turning them int partisan organizations, etc..
I like it!
consulting function to identify budget cuts and improve service
delivery.
Mitt and Bain could combine to be the new "Grace Commission", and review the various agencies. He's be great.
That is his specialty - turning failing businesses around, and our government is failing for all sorts of reasons, including inefficiency, scope creep, public sector unions, Obama turning them int partisan organizations, etc..
I like it!
Posted by: Lizzy at November 28, 2016 03:34 PM (NOIQH)
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Kim Kardashian for Secretary of the Posterior.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 03:34 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at November 28, 2016 03:34 PM (mr+B+)
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It would be stupid to humiliate Romney. What purpose would it serve, apart from ego gratification?
I don't know about Trump's ego, but mine would be gratified greatly. I want people to mention Romney as an example of what NOT to do when we are picking out candidates from 2024 to 2042.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (VdICR)
Actions have consequences. Romney made a huge point to go out there and say pretty damn awful things about Trump. It is highly likely that Romney was pushing the McMullin stuff in Utah to deny Trump electoral votes.
Actions. Have. Consequences.
Romney threw a punch. Now one comes back. That's how the world works.
I don't know about Trump's ego, but mine would be gratified greatly. I want people to mention Romney as an example of what NOT to do when we are picking out candidates from 2024 to 2042.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (VdICR)
Actions have consequences. Romney made a huge point to go out there and say pretty damn awful things about Trump. It is highly likely that Romney was pushing the McMullin stuff in Utah to deny Trump electoral votes.
Actions. Have. Consequences.
Romney threw a punch. Now one comes back. That's how the world works.
Posted by: alexthechick - why does no one listen to me about Outside at November 28, 2016 03:34 PM (mf5HN)
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267 Why the hell are WE worried about the EU, when we can't pay our OWN damn bills?
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First, we pay our bills (whether we can in the future ...). Second, history suggests that we get entangled in big wars in the EU. That is why I am concerned.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:32 PM (gmeXX)
Leave the Europeans to it. They either man up, or perish, either way on their own.
I'm good with it either way.
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First, we pay our bills (whether we can in the future ...). Second, history suggests that we get entangled in big wars in the EU. That is why I am concerned.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:32 PM (gmeXX)
Leave the Europeans to it. They either man up, or perish, either way on their own.
I'm good with it either way.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:34 PM (SRKgf)
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OK, I don't get this. How can an 18 year-old Somali refugee be ready for college?
Is the Somali education system that good? Most 18 Americans aren't ready for college. And don't they administer entrance exams anymore? How could he pass such an exam?
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The primary and in fact only qualification for attending a public university in the united states is that you can qualify for a student loan. That's it. You may not stay the whole four years, but they will take your money for a couple years at least.
Is the Somali education system that good? Most 18 Americans aren't ready for college. And don't they administer entrance exams anymore? How could he pass such an exam?
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The primary and in fact only qualification for attending a public university in the united states is that you can qualify for a student loan. That's it. You may not stay the whole four years, but they will take your money for a couple years at least.
Posted by: simplemind at November 28, 2016 03:34 PM (xVRrG)
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Rick Cocksucker Wilson is on CNN right now crapping on Trump voters and Trump.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:29 PM (kjbSf)
Rick Wilson lost. He will always lose.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:29 PM (kjbSf)
Rick Wilson lost. He will always lose.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Days of Rage and Tears Black Friday Sale at The Outrage Outlet! at November 28, 2016 03:35 PM (hLRSq)
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>> I personally think both men though have shown
>> unsound judgement when it mattered most.
Romney: solid administrator not afraid to chop heads (remember, more than anything else, State is a huge bureaucracy), presents well (knows better than to bow to guys in robes), used to being top dog and maybe reluctant to take orders from someone he may not respect.
Petraeus: potentially the third general in the Cabinet, solid on expertise but revered largely because his predecessors (and successors) were failures and suckups.
>> unsound judgement when it mattered most.
Romney: solid administrator not afraid to chop heads (remember, more than anything else, State is a huge bureaucracy), presents well (knows better than to bow to guys in robes), used to being top dog and maybe reluctant to take orders from someone he may not respect.
Petraeus: potentially the third general in the Cabinet, solid on expertise but revered largely because his predecessors (and successors) were failures and suckups.
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 03:35 PM (TppKb)
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I am getting a bit sick of the "Trump Ego shit" that shows up in most of Ace's posts. Says who the Media?
Yeah, the Media. So fucking trustworthy.
Meh.
Yeah, the Media. So fucking trustworthy.
Meh.
Posted by: nip at November 28, 2016 03:35 PM (L5nkE)
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I'd like to see General Mills get a place in the Trump admin. Perhaps the FDA.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (kjbSf)
He would put a Chex on ISIS.
I'd like to see General Mills get a place in the Trump admin. Perhaps the FDA.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (kjbSf)
He would put a Chex on ISIS.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at November 28, 2016 03:35 PM (lKyWE)
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CNN and msnbc love doing the 4-person panel:
-The leftist host,
-a leftist commentator,
-a leftist pretending to be a straight journalist,
-and a Republican who has nothing good to say about Republicans/Conservatives.
CNN and msnbc love doing the 4-person panel:
-The leftist host,
-a leftist commentator,
-a leftist pretending to be a straight journalist,
-and a Republican who has nothing good to say about Republicans/Conservatives.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:35 PM (kjbSf)
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Hello!
Posted by: Wisconsin "Recount" Suddenly Barging Through The Door at November 28, 2016 03:35 PM (QKzob)
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The original some guy was always punching down
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at November 28, 2016 03:36 PM (mr+B+)
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Leave the Europeans to it. They either man up, or perish, either way on their own.
I'm good with it either way.
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Fun to say, but I'm not really sure how that helps us.
I'm good with it either way.
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Fun to say, but I'm not really sure how that helps us.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:36 PM (gmeXX)
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Kim Kardashian for Secretary of the Posterior.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 03:34 PM
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I think her husband is an even bigger ass.
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Kim Kardashian for Secretary of the Posterior.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 03:34 PM
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I think her husband is an even bigger ass.
Posted by: irright at November 28, 2016 03:36 PM (pMGkg)
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>>Anyone remember the original 'some guy'?
He's the guy who thought there was no porn before 1960.
Loved that guy.
He's the guy who thought there was no porn before 1960.
Loved that guy.
Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2016 03:36 PM (pyZce)
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Soothsayer -
http://alturl.com/rwq3g
This one. I thought it got poofed, but maybe it only got nuked from the front page.
http://alturl.com/rwq3g
This one. I thought it got poofed, but maybe it only got nuked from the front page.
Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2016 03:36 PM (tewYv)
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I never understood why Romney provided all of those negative sound bites about Trump. That was so stupid and short-sighted.
Posted by: m at November 28, 2016 03:36 PM (3jGss)
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Anyone remember the original 'some guy'?
He was great.
Long before "someguy" and the current "Some Guy," there was another. A poster of such rare wit, such humility and snark... Okay, he was kind of idiot.
And *I* was that idiot!
He was great.
Long before "someguy" and the current "Some Guy," there was another. A poster of such rare wit, such humility and snark... Okay, he was kind of idiot.
And *I* was that idiot!
Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 28, 2016 03:36 PM (u0s1P)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 03:36 PM (sUwfN)
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Posted by: simplemind at November 28, 2016 03:34 PM (xVRrG)
OK, fine. How does an 18 year-old refugee qualify for a loan anywhere other than a Pawn Shop?
And he had a van. What a country!
OK, fine. How does an 18 year-old refugee qualify for a loan anywhere other than a Pawn Shop?
And he had a van. What a country!
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 03:36 PM (3myMJ)
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Mitt would be good at an expense & waste cutter job. I'm not sure which agency though.
Posted by: Carol at November 28, 2016 03:37 PM (sj3Ax)
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So guy was in Somali schools, then Pakistani schools... and now is somehow in a US University...
___________________
See, we dark-skinned folks (especially those of us with exotic, foreign-sounding names) get special consideration not available to you pale-skinned, privileged types when applying for college admission in the U.S.
Because it's only fair that we late-comers to this country be treated better than the descendants of the people who built this country. Social justice!
___________________
See, we dark-skinned folks (especially those of us with exotic, foreign-sounding names) get special consideration not available to you pale-skinned, privileged types when applying for college admission in the U.S.
Because it's only fair that we late-comers to this country be treated better than the descendants of the people who built this country. Social justice!
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama, Affirmative Action Applicant at November 28, 2016 03:37 PM (rgZEV)
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281 OK, I don't get this. How can an 18 year-old Somali refugee be ready for college?
Is the Somali education system that good? Most 18 Americans aren't ready for college. And don't they administer entrance exams anymore? How could he pass such an exam?
If you're black, you get about 200 to 250 bonus points on your SAT scores so they don't have to study as much.
Asians get docked about 50 points. What do they do....study harder.
Culture matters.
Is the Somali education system that good? Most 18 Americans aren't ready for college. And don't they administer entrance exams anymore? How could he pass such an exam?
If you're black, you get about 200 to 250 bonus points on your SAT scores so they don't have to study as much.
Asians get docked about 50 points. What do they do....study harder.
Culture matters.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 28, 2016 03:37 PM (BoQ04)
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CNN and msnbc love doing the 4-person panel:
-The leftist host,
-a leftist commentator,
-a leftist pretending to be a straight journalist,
-and a Republican who has nothing good to say about Republicans/Conservatives.
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Where does SE Cupp fall into?
-The leftist host,
-a leftist commentator,
-a leftist pretending to be a straight journalist,
-and a Republican who has nothing good to say about Republicans/Conservatives.
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Where does SE Cupp fall into?
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:37 PM (gmeXX)
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>>
"People Are Already Terrified About How Donald Trump Will React To Ohio State"
Living rent-free in their minds, LOL!
"People Are Already Terrified About How Donald Trump Will React To Ohio State"
Living rent-free in their minds, LOL!
Posted by: Lizzy at November 28, 2016 03:37 PM (NOIQH)
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"People Are Already Terrified About How Donald Trump Will React To Ohio State"
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And by "People" you mean Don Lemon and Soledad Obrien.
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And by "People" you mean Don Lemon and Soledad Obrien.
Posted by: simplemind at November 28, 2016 03:37 PM (xVRrG)
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Nobody does. Neo-con is just an insult to throw around and end conversation, like alt-right or hater.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (39g3+)
Honestly? I see them as more pro-intervention and more globalist, vs. the paleo-cons, more nationalist, who are not.
I also think it's not a yes/no position, but rather a spectrum ranging from "Fortress America" protectionism to "Invade The World, yet Invite The World" Wall Street Journal globalism.
But just as formerly isolationist Robert Taft told his fellow GOP isolationists that the Cold War meant a New World where isolationism just would not work, backin the late 1940s, it is time for someone to tell the globalists to close off excessive immigration and to pull back from an overextended foreign policy position.
Let Syria go back to Assad Junior, it's not worth American blood and treasure to try to nation build again, and we need to get our house in order at home.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (39g3+)
Honestly? I see them as more pro-intervention and more globalist, vs. the paleo-cons, more nationalist, who are not.
I also think it's not a yes/no position, but rather a spectrum ranging from "Fortress America" protectionism to "Invade The World, yet Invite The World" Wall Street Journal globalism.
But just as formerly isolationist Robert Taft told his fellow GOP isolationists that the Cold War meant a New World where isolationism just would not work, backin the late 1940s, it is time for someone to tell the globalists to close off excessive immigration and to pull back from an overextended foreign policy position.
Let Syria go back to Assad Junior, it's not worth American blood and treasure to try to nation build again, and we need to get our house in order at home.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 28, 2016 03:37 PM (ujg0T)
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Also, Some Guy debuted as a self proclaimed Washington Insider who admonished Ace to always Punch Up!
Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2016 03:37 PM (pyZce)
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Rick Cocksucker Wilson is on CNN right now crapping on Trump voters and Trump
That's "Rick Cocksucker-Wilson". His parents decided to hyphenate their names when they got married.
Rick Cocksucker Wilson is on CNN right now crapping on Trump voters and Trump
That's "Rick Cocksucker-Wilson". His parents decided to hyphenate their names when they got married.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 28, 2016 03:37 PM (kdS6q)
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So guy was in Somali schools, then Pakistani schools... and now is somehow in a US University...
While my Son, the Vet, can't get the damn classes he needs to finish his degree on time???
/rage stroke...
Bet the guy was on a scholarship or grant too...
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Everyone in government and academia and any other "do-gooders" who were involved in getting this guy on US soil need a good thorough investigating, stop and frisk style.
While my Son, the Vet, can't get the damn classes he needs to finish his degree on time???
/rage stroke...
Bet the guy was on a scholarship or grant too...
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Everyone in government and academia and any other "do-gooders" who were involved in getting this guy on US soil need a good thorough investigating, stop and frisk style.
Posted by: Methos at November 28, 2016 03:37 PM (3Liv/)
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Well it was being used on this thread. So those commentators must have thought it meant something - obviously pejorative.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:30 PM (gmeXX)
neocon can be a pejorative and pretty un-PC term. It's also very expansive when the left / msm wants it to be.
Traditionally, it has referred to "former" leftists who agree with the left on most issues, but broke with them over communism. They believe / believed that we should have a Woodrow Wilson-esque foreign policy of exporting the american (ahem) progressive (ahem) revolution around the world.
The reason it can be a bit of a touchy word is that it was originally use to describe vehemently pro-israel "former" liberal (mostly) jewish people.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:30 PM (gmeXX)
neocon can be a pejorative and pretty un-PC term. It's also very expansive when the left / msm wants it to be.
Traditionally, it has referred to "former" leftists who agree with the left on most issues, but broke with them over communism. They believe / believed that we should have a Woodrow Wilson-esque foreign policy of exporting the american (ahem) progressive (ahem) revolution around the world.
The reason it can be a bit of a touchy word is that it was originally use to describe vehemently pro-israel "former" liberal (mostly) jewish people.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 03:37 PM (cJrMO)
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Could be. I don't know how much support it has with Italian voters, but if it passes, that will be a 2016 "reclaiming our sovereignty" trifecta:
There were guests from Italy at our Thanksgiving dinner. I wish I'd have paid attention to their election discussion, but Paolo was such a hottie.
Distracted.
There were guests from Italy at our Thanksgiving dinner. I wish I'd have paid attention to their election discussion, but Paolo was such a hottie.
Distracted.
Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2016 03:37 PM (jkmtt)
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First, we pay our bills (whether we can in the future ...). Second, history suggests that we get entangled in big wars in the EU. That is why I am concerned.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:32 PM (gmeXX)
We pay our bills?
apparently you have not been paying attention to the National Debt...
And I will note, the times we've gotten involved in Wars in Europe... it was because Europeans started those wars.
I am no longer willing to place my Son's future in Jeopardy, via debt, to protect those who will not defend themselves.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:32 PM (gmeXX)
We pay our bills?
apparently you have not been paying attention to the National Debt...
And I will note, the times we've gotten involved in Wars in Europe... it was because Europeans started those wars.
I am no longer willing to place my Son's future in Jeopardy, via debt, to protect those who will not defend themselves.
Posted by: Don Q. at November 28, 2016 03:38 PM (qf6WZ)
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So should the fact that our Somali Pakistani Muslim stabby refugee got blown away by the local PD while in the act be considered anti Muslim backlash?
Posted by: tu3031 at November 28, 2016 03:38 PM (qJhUV)
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So guy was in Somali schools, then Pakistani schools... and now is somehow in a US University...
While my Son, the Vet, can't get the damn classes he needs to finish his degree on time???
/rage stroke...
This dynamic always pissed me off when I went to college.
I would guess about a third of the school was foreign, and that's a third less actual Americans that got to go to that college despite living in the state their whole life and paying all the taxes to subsidize it.
And this bullshit about diversity and what you gain from that is just that. Bullshit. These people kept to themselves in their own little communities.
And no one could ever complain unless you wanted to sound like a racist.
How many of the 9/11 hijackers were on student visas again?
It all needs to be shut down and we need to take a pause from the all the diversity.
While my Son, the Vet, can't get the damn classes he needs to finish his degree on time???
/rage stroke...
This dynamic always pissed me off when I went to college.
I would guess about a third of the school was foreign, and that's a third less actual Americans that got to go to that college despite living in the state their whole life and paying all the taxes to subsidize it.
And this bullshit about diversity and what you gain from that is just that. Bullshit. These people kept to themselves in their own little communities.
And no one could ever complain unless you wanted to sound like a racist.
How many of the 9/11 hijackers were on student visas again?
It all needs to be shut down and we need to take a pause from the all the diversity.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 03:38 PM (KsYpa)
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I have two thoughts on this situation:
1. I stopped giving a crap about Mitt Romney the moment he lost the most winnable election since 1980, so I don't care if Trump is jerking him around.
2. I gather from the #NeverTrumpers that I'm supposed to be aghast by this because it's just not the way! But (a) see No. 1 above and (b) what have they gotten right all year?
1. I stopped giving a crap about Mitt Romney the moment he lost the most winnable election since 1980, so I don't care if Trump is jerking him around.
2. I gather from the #NeverTrumpers that I'm supposed to be aghast by this because it's just not the way! But (a) see No. 1 above and (b) what have they gotten right all year?
Posted by: Kensington at November 28, 2016 03:38 PM (QKzob)
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I'd like to see General Mills get a place in the Trump admin. Perhaps the FDA.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (kjbSf)
..............
and Captain Crunch as Secretary of the Navy
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:28 PM (kjbSf)
..............
and Captain Crunch as Secretary of the Navy
Posted by: wth at November 28, 2016 03:38 PM (HgMAr)
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"Rick Cocksucker Wilson is on CNN right now crapping on Trump voters and Trump."
Whatever happened to Rick's big oppo dump that was finally going to stop Trump. He and Liz Mair were pushing that hard.
Whatever happened to Rick's big oppo dump that was finally going to stop Trump. He and Liz Mair were pushing that hard.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 28, 2016 03:38 PM (OD2ni)
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25 14: strangely, hot air was applauding whoever pulled the fire alarm as a quick- thinking way to get the police there. As if no student has a cell phone to call 911.
Posted by: LASue
The terrorist pulled the alarm to get a crown within ramming distance.
Posted by: LASue
The terrorist pulled the alarm to get a crown within ramming distance.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 28, 2016 03:39 PM (iWW0H)
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Actions have consequences. Romney made a huge point to go out there and say pretty damn awful things about Trump. It is highly likely that Romney was pushing the McMullin stuff in Utah to deny Trump electoral votes.
Actions. Have. Consequences.
Romney threw a punch. Now one comes back. That's how the world works.
Posted by: alexthechick - why does no one listen to me about Outside at November 28, 2016 03:34 PM (mf5HN)
Sure. Make Romney bend the knee, and acknowledge who calls the shots. Absolutely. But then kiss and make up, if possible. It's stupid to make mortal enemies unnecessarily.
After all, Trump said some nasty things about others, too. Saying nasty things and then burying the hatchet when possible is also how the world works.
Trump's never going to get the MSM, Hollywood, or academia in his corner. He'll need as many friends (or at least non-enemies) as he can muster. If Romney (or anyone else) spurns the olive branch, then they've declared for the other side, and I'd fuck them mercilessly pour encourger l'autres. But first I'd give them the chance to come to Jesus.
Actions have consequences. Romney made a huge point to go out there and say pretty damn awful things about Trump. It is highly likely that Romney was pushing the McMullin stuff in Utah to deny Trump electoral votes.
Actions. Have. Consequences.
Romney threw a punch. Now one comes back. That's how the world works.
Posted by: alexthechick - why does no one listen to me about Outside at November 28, 2016 03:34 PM (mf5HN)
Sure. Make Romney bend the knee, and acknowledge who calls the shots. Absolutely. But then kiss and make up, if possible. It's stupid to make mortal enemies unnecessarily.
After all, Trump said some nasty things about others, too. Saying nasty things and then burying the hatchet when possible is also how the world works.
Trump's never going to get the MSM, Hollywood, or academia in his corner. He'll need as many friends (or at least non-enemies) as he can muster. If Romney (or anyone else) spurns the olive branch, then they've declared for the other side, and I'd fuck them mercilessly pour encourger l'autres. But first I'd give them the chance to come to Jesus.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:39 PM (SRKgf)
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Read an article about "13 Worse Things Romney Said About Trump" (don't recall where).
Boy, talk about bad mouthing. Romney was unrelenting and if Trump gives him a job as janitor, I will lose my hopes for Trump to MAGA. Someone that vitriolic will never be one to be trusted. Never.
Boy, talk about bad mouthing. Romney was unrelenting and if Trump gives him a job as janitor, I will lose my hopes for Trump to MAGA. Someone that vitriolic will never be one to be trusted. Never.
Posted by: oddnot at November 28, 2016 03:39 PM (g1MTt)
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264 Sarah Palin.....JUST to piss off the liberals.
And also to continually use the line about 'how refreshing it is to have a competent white, female Secretary of State for a change.'
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 28, 2016 03:31 PM (BoQ04)
Secretary of the Interior for her. Watch Eco-Leftist heads explode.
And also to continually use the line about 'how refreshing it is to have a competent white, female Secretary of State for a change.'
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 28, 2016 03:31 PM (BoQ04)
Secretary of the Interior for her. Watch Eco-Leftist heads explode.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 28, 2016 03:39 PM (ujg0T)
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We pay our bills?
apparently you have not been paying attention to the National Debt...
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Not to get all Moo Moo ish, but increasing debt is not the same as not paying bills. My debt goes up from time to time, but I still pay my bills.
I understand the point you are making, but so far for now, we have always paid our bills.
apparently you have not been paying attention to the National Debt...
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Not to get all Moo Moo ish, but increasing debt is not the same as not paying bills. My debt goes up from time to time, but I still pay my bills.
I understand the point you are making, but so far for now, we have always paid our bills.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:39 PM (gmeXX)
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Posted by: alexthechick - why does no one listen to me about Outside at November 28, 2016 03:24 PM (mf5HN)
I have mentioned this before, but it bears repeating:
Since Trump declared for the presidency I have watched him make mistake after mistake, say all the wrong things, screw up constantly, be written off by all of the really smart political minds.
He screwed up all the way to the White House.
I'm reserving judgement on most of what he does until it is abundantly clear that it was a mistake.
I have mentioned this before, but it bears repeating:
Since Trump declared for the presidency I have watched him make mistake after mistake, say all the wrong things, screw up constantly, be written off by all of the really smart political minds.
He screwed up all the way to the White House.
I'm reserving judgement on most of what he does until it is abundantly clear that it was a mistake.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2016 03:39 PM (42Mgr)
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14 Now a second eyewitness (this is being posted on Reddit) reports that the terrorist pulled a fire alarm FOR THE PURPOSE OF GETTING EVERYONE OUTSIDE so he could mow them down Nice-style. When that failed, he enacted the backup plan of attempted beheading with a traditional scimitar-tyoe weapon.
But the entire plan deserved a Darwin Award because the police had shown up BEFORE he even rammed his car, since they were responding to the fire alarm.
Posted by: zombie
His last words were "Durka, durka, durka." Translated it means: "You're not the fire department."
14 Now a second eyewitness (this is being posted on Reddit) reports that the terrorist pulled a fire alarm FOR THE PURPOSE OF GETTING EVERYONE OUTSIDE so he could mow them down Nice-style. When that failed, he enacted the backup plan of attempted beheading with a traditional scimitar-tyoe weapon.
But the entire plan deserved a Darwin Award because the police had shown up BEFORE he even rammed his car, since they were responding to the fire alarm.
Posted by: zombie
His last words were "Durka, durka, durka." Translated it means: "You're not the fire department."
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 28, 2016 03:40 PM (iWW0H)
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I wonder if the campus cops or the city cops that took down the misguided foreign student.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 03:40 PM (3myMJ)
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Zerohedge: Wisconsin Denies Stein's recount by hand...
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 28, 2016 03:40 PM (BoQ04)
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202 196 I don't want Romney or Petreaus
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 03:22 PM (EbeEQ)
I agree.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 03:23 PM (cJrMO)
I agree. Soothsayer agrees. Can we make this unanimous?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 03:22 PM (EbeEQ)
I agree.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 03:23 PM (cJrMO)
I agree. Soothsayer agrees. Can we make this unanimous?
Posted by: washrivergal at November 28, 2016 03:40 PM (CFc5L)
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308, There were guests from Italy at our Thanksgiving
dinner. I wish I'd have paid attention to their election discussion, but
Paolo was such a hottie.
Distracted.
Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2016 03:37 PM (jkmtt)
You had a visit from Paolo?? Do tell...
dinner. I wish I'd have paid attention to their election discussion, but
Paolo was such a hottie.
Distracted.
Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2016 03:37 PM (jkmtt)
You had a visit from Paolo?? Do tell...
Posted by: IC at November 28, 2016 03:40 PM (a0IVu)
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Muslim Teen Shot by Trump Supporters
Posted by: CNN at November 28, 2016 03:40 PM (0+srV)
Posted by: Bruce at November 28, 2016 03:40 PM (8ikIW)
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How many of the 9/11 hijackers were on student visas again?
It all needs to be shut down and we need to take a pause from the all the diversity.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 03:38 PM (KsYpa)
They came on aviation school visas-a weird little thing from the 80's/90's that aviation schools had lobbied State/Congress for. They were poorly enforced, had substantial overstays and adjustments (which means the bearers simply used them as a quick immigrant visa) and made a ton of money for a lot of pop up aviation schools.
They were shut down after 9/11, thank the Lord. Quite a few other visas should follow suit.
How many of the 9/11 hijackers were on student visas again?
It all needs to be shut down and we need to take a pause from the all the diversity.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 03:38 PM (KsYpa)
They came on aviation school visas-a weird little thing from the 80's/90's that aviation schools had lobbied State/Congress for. They were poorly enforced, had substantial overstays and adjustments (which means the bearers simply used them as a quick immigrant visa) and made a ton of money for a lot of pop up aviation schools.
They were shut down after 9/11, thank the Lord. Quite a few other visas should follow suit.
Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at November 28, 2016 03:41 PM (VnCI9)
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This one. I thought it got poofed, but maybe it only got nuked from the front page.
Ah yes. That one.
And I believe that post caused some stupid shithead, not naming any names, to admonish us by informing us Rick Wilson is a friend of the blog.
This one. I thought it got poofed, but maybe it only got nuked from the front page.
Ah yes. That one.
And I believe that post caused some stupid shithead, not naming any names, to admonish us by informing us Rick Wilson is a friend of the blog.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:41 PM (kjbSf)
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Whatever happened to Rick's big oppo dump that was finally going to stop Trump. He and Liz Mair were pushing that hard.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 28, 2016 03:38 PM (OD2ni)
They just need ten more dollars donated...
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 28, 2016 03:38 PM (OD2ni)
They just need ten more dollars donated...
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Days of Rage and Tears Black Friday Sale at The Outrage Outlet! at November 28, 2016 03:41 PM (hLRSq)
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I have two thoughts on this situation:
1. I stopped giving a crap about Mitt Romney the moment he lost the most winnable election since 1980, so I don't care if Trump is jerking him around.
2. I gather from the #NeverTrumpers that I'm supposed to be aghast by this because it's just not the way! But (a) see No. 1 above and (b) what have they gotten right all year?
Posted by: Kensington
I'm pretty much the same way.
My biggest problem with Mitt as Sec of State is that I think he needs to be made an example out of and his head placed on Trump's mantle alongside the Bush Family and the Clintons.
We shouldn't reward Mitt, it will embolden Trump's critics within the GOP. He needs to be the example that keeps them up at night.
1. I stopped giving a crap about Mitt Romney the moment he lost the most winnable election since 1980, so I don't care if Trump is jerking him around.
2. I gather from the #NeverTrumpers that I'm supposed to be aghast by this because it's just not the way! But (a) see No. 1 above and (b) what have they gotten right all year?
Posted by: Kensington
I'm pretty much the same way.
My biggest problem with Mitt as Sec of State is that I think he needs to be made an example out of and his head placed on Trump's mantle alongside the Bush Family and the Clintons.
We shouldn't reward Mitt, it will embolden Trump's critics within the GOP. He needs to be the example that keeps them up at night.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 03:41 PM (KsYpa)
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"People Are Already Terrified About How Donald Trump Will React To Ohio State"
Not too terrified to carry out terrorist attacks, mind you, but terrified nonetheless.
Not too terrified to carry out terrorist attacks, mind you, but terrified nonetheless.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:41 PM (SRKgf)
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>>Trump needs to privatize a absolute metric F ton of these government
agencies. Contract them and if they want to make money they have to
cut staff and make budgets and deliver services.
Or just eliminate a lot of them.
For example, why do we have the feds dictating school lunch menus?
Eliminate all of the federal scope-creep for the past few decades starting with Common Core and the EPA's regulation of greenhouse gasses that Obama usurped from states by re-interpreting existing law.
agencies. Contract them and if they want to make money they have to
cut staff and make budgets and deliver services.
Or just eliminate a lot of them.
For example, why do we have the feds dictating school lunch menus?
Eliminate all of the federal scope-creep for the past few decades starting with Common Core and the EPA's regulation of greenhouse gasses that Obama usurped from states by re-interpreting existing law.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 28, 2016 03:41 PM (NOIQH)
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OK, fine. How does an 18 year-old refugee qualify for a loan anywhere other than a Pawn Shop?
==============
College financing is a horrible horrible racket that is totally geared to make unsound decisions, that are based on the worst biases imaginable. So yes, the Somali got money, probably interest free, that your child could not get, even for credit card interest rates. Because patriarchy.
Brought to you by the same people that brought you the toxic home loan crisis.
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College financing is a horrible horrible racket that is totally geared to make unsound decisions, that are based on the worst biases imaginable. So yes, the Somali got money, probably interest free, that your child could not get, even for credit card interest rates. Because patriarchy.
Brought to you by the same people that brought you the toxic home loan crisis.
Posted by: simplemind at November 28, 2016 03:41 PM (xVRrG)
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I'd like to head up her interior, IFKWIMAITYD.
Posted by: davedavedavearf at November 28, 2016 03:41 PM (0+srV)
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I have to change my Ad Block,
Weblock settings because I have Pop Ups! They've been blocked for years.
Later.
Weblock settings because I have Pop Ups! They've been blocked for years.
Later.
Posted by: Carol at November 28, 2016 03:41 PM (sj3Ax)
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>> Romney: solid administrator not afraid to chop
>> Petraeus: potentially the third general in the
Above all, a Cabinet officer needs to execute Administration policy or resign.
We've had administrations - most notably, of course, Lincoln - where the Cabinet was stocked with a bunch of folks who thought themselves the superior of the President. Some may actually have been. But can Trump bend a Romney to his will as Lincoln coopted Seward and Stanton, or outflank him as Lincoln did Chase?
>> Petraeus: potentially the third general in the
Above all, a Cabinet officer needs to execute Administration policy or resign.
We've had administrations - most notably, of course, Lincoln - where the Cabinet was stocked with a bunch of folks who thought themselves the superior of the President. Some may actually have been. But can Trump bend a Romney to his will as Lincoln coopted Seward and Stanton, or outflank him as Lincoln did Chase?
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 03:42 PM (TppKb)
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26 Eh - Just wake me up when he makes a decision. I know SOS is supposed to be a primary cabinet spot - the capstone to a career in public service - but I find it a rather boring position withe less influence than its history suggests.
Posted by: SH
SoS spot is famous for being a pussy magnet. Just ask Henry Kissinger and Hillary.
26 Eh - Just wake me up when he makes a decision. I know SOS is supposed to be a primary cabinet spot - the capstone to a career in public service - but I find it a rather boring position withe less influence than its history suggests.
Posted by: SH
SoS spot is famous for being a pussy magnet. Just ask Henry Kissinger and Hillary.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 28, 2016 03:42 PM (iWW0H)
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They are in the Middle East for a reason,
You people need to wake up. The Ruskies wanted Afghanistan for a thoroughfare to take Iran.
You people need to wake up. The Ruskies wanted Afghanistan for a thoroughfare to take Iran.
Posted by: Charlie Wilson's ghost at November 28, 2016 03:42 PM (kHwSu)
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ask a serious ? here ! does anyone other than Joe Blow & Mika think he has "Sources" in Trump Camp??
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 03:42 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: Darkwing Duck at November 28, 2016 03:42 PM (u0s1P)
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Not to get all Moo Moo ish, but increasing debt is not the same as not paying bills. My debt goes up from time to time, but I still pay my bills.
I understand the point you are making, but so far for now, we have always paid our bills.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:39 PM (gmeXX)
You tell 'em!
I understand the point you are making, but so far for now, we have always paid our bills.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:39 PM (gmeXX)
You tell 'em!
Posted by: Richard Nixon at the gold window in 1971 at November 28, 2016 03:42 PM (cJrMO)
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https://tinyurl.com/jqhhalp
Pennsylvania State Department says Stein missed recount deadline
hahaha Gang that couldn't shoot at all
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Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 03:42 PM (y3aQB)
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Also, Some Guy debuted as a self proclaimed Washington Insider who admonished Ace to always Punch Up!
Was it Some Guy, or That Guy? Because I remember That Guy saying something similar.
Was it Some Guy, or That Guy? Because I remember That Guy saying something similar.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 03:43 PM (sUwfN)
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And I believe that post caused some stupid shithead, not naming any names, to admonish us by informing us Rick Wilson is a friend of the blog.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:41 PM (kjbSf)
Ahem.
Name may be on the banner.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:41 PM (kjbSf)
Ahem.
Name may be on the banner.
Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2016 03:43 PM (tewYv)
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338, SoS spot is famous for being a pussy magnet. Just ask Henry Kissinger and Hillary.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 28, 2016 03:42 PM (iWW0H)
Then Romney would be better than Petraus; at least Romney would not let temptation lead him astray.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 28, 2016 03:42 PM (iWW0H)
Then Romney would be better than Petraus; at least Romney would not let temptation lead him astray.
Posted by: IC at November 28, 2016 03:43 PM (a0IVu)
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340 ask a serious ? here ! does anyone other than Joe Blow & Mika think he has "Sources" in Trump Camp??
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 03:42 PM (y3aQB)
No, I think all of this palace intrigue is being completely fabricated by the media and that we shouldn't fall for this shit. But we will. Like usual.
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 03:42 PM (y3aQB)
No, I think all of this palace intrigue is being completely fabricated by the media and that we shouldn't fall for this shit. But we will. Like usual.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 03:43 PM (cJrMO)
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Boy, talk about bad mouthing. Romney was unrelenting and if Trump gives him a job as janitor, I will lose my hopes for Trump to MAGA. Someone that vitriolic will never be one to be trusted. Never.
Posted by: oddnot at November 28, 2016 03:39 PM (g1MTt)
There were about 5 different times, Mitt was on the news and I ended up telling the television that Mitt should just go home and off himself.
About the fifth time in, I just decided to keep Disney channel on in the background...
Posted by: oddnot at November 28, 2016 03:39 PM (g1MTt)
There were about 5 different times, Mitt was on the news and I ended up telling the television that Mitt should just go home and off himself.
About the fifth time in, I just decided to keep Disney channel on in the background...
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 28, 2016 03:43 PM (BoQ04)
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334 OK, fine. How does an 18 year-old refugee qualify for a loan anywhere other than a Pawn Shop?
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College financing is a horrible horrible racket that is totally geared to make unsound decisions, that are based on the worst biases imaginable. So yes, the Somali got money, probably interest free, that your child could not get, even for credit card interest rates. Because patriarchy.
Brought to you by the same people that brought you the toxic home loan crisis.
Posted by: simplemind
Who's the sucker who's gonna get stuck paying off this guy's student loan?
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College financing is a horrible horrible racket that is totally geared to make unsound decisions, that are based on the worst biases imaginable. So yes, the Somali got money, probably interest free, that your child could not get, even for credit card interest rates. Because patriarchy.
Brought to you by the same people that brought you the toxic home loan crisis.
Posted by: simplemind
Who's the sucker who's gonna get stuck paying off this guy's student loan?
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 28, 2016 03:43 PM (iWW0H)
Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2016 03:44 PM (pyZce)
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Also, Some Guy debuted as a self proclaimed Washington Insider who admonished Ace to always Punch Up!
Was it Some Guy, or That Guy? Because I remember That Guy saying something similar.
Down-Punch-Accuser was "someguy" or possibly "some guy." No caps.
Was it Some Guy, or That Guy? Because I remember That Guy saying something similar.
Down-Punch-Accuser was "someguy" or possibly "some guy." No caps.
Posted by: Darkwing Duck at November 28, 2016 03:44 PM (u0s1P)
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You had a visit from Paolo?? Do tell...
Posted by: IC at November 28, 2016 03:40 PM (a0IVu)
I know there's a "Paolo" who posts here, but I don't know the backstory because I was away for a long time.
So it's not the meme Paolo, I don't think.
Posted by: IC at November 28, 2016 03:40 PM (a0IVu)
I know there's a "Paolo" who posts here, but I don't know the backstory because I was away for a long time.
So it's not the meme Paolo, I don't think.
Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2016 03:44 PM (jkmtt)
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Not to get all Moo Moo ish, but increasing debt is not the same as not paying bills. My debt goes up from time to time, but I still pay my bills.
And then your debt goes down.
Funny how the US's never seems to.
And then your debt goes down.
Funny how the US's never seems to.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 03:44 PM (sUwfN)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:44 PM (kjbSf)
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Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 28, 2016 03:37 PM (ujg0T
I see the dismissal of the term neoconservative as a method to marginalize the speaker and to end the conversation.
I see the dismissal of the term neoconservative as a method to marginalize the speaker and to end the conversation.
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at November 28, 2016 03:44 PM (mr+B+)
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Carol, AdBlock Edge and AdBlock Light.
Posted by: gNewt at November 28, 2016 03:44 PM (kHwSu)
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To be honest, most foreign policy now a days, for better or worse, is run DIRECTLY from The White House. State is just a delivery boy basically. Just saying. PE Trump can make State as meaningful or meaningless as he wants no matter who the Sec of State is.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 03:45 PM (EbeEQ)
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And then your debt goes down.
Funny how the US's never seems to.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 03:44 PM (sUwfN)
the last time we actual paid down the principal on any debt was in the years immediately after WWII.
Funny how the US's never seems to.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 03:44 PM (sUwfN)
the last time we actual paid down the principal on any debt was in the years immediately after WWII.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 03:45 PM (cJrMO)
Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2016 03:45 PM (pyZce)
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Thanks for all the fish !
Posted by: Jill Stein at November 28, 2016 03:45 PM (gs8be)
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>> For example, why do we have the feds dictating
>> school lunch menus?
You forgot breakfast.
The Federal government is mandating, and at least in part funding, two meals a day for most elementary-age illegals (and children of illegals) in many parts of this country.
Now, I know some of these kids personally, and some of them are in fact great kids, but...someone needs to be honest about what's going on.
>> school lunch menus?
You forgot breakfast.
The Federal government is mandating, and at least in part funding, two meals a day for most elementary-age illegals (and children of illegals) in many parts of this country.
Now, I know some of these kids personally, and some of them are in fact great kids, but...someone needs to be honest about what's going on.
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 03:45 PM (TppKb)
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I just don't get why Romney is in the running for anything at all? He trashed the Republican nominee. He used to be one, so I imagine he would know how it might effect the race if the Big Deals in the party came at you with steak knives while you were trying to win the Presidency.
Number two. What is he good for?
Number three. See Number one. And two.
Number two. What is he good for?
Number three. See Number one. And two.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 28, 2016 03:45 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:45 PM (kjbSf)
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Per NBC the #OhioState attacker was upset over the treatment of muslims worldwide.
So he stabbed citizens of the country that took him in.
So he stabbed citizens of the country that took him in.
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 03:45 PM (y3aQB)
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Speaking of Sarah Palin, now that her youngest is eight or nine years old, I'd kind of like her to announce that she's really his grandmother but posed as his mother to protect her daughter from scandal or something.
Just to watch Andrew Sullivan's head explode.
Just to watch Andrew Sullivan's head explode.
Posted by: Kensington at November 28, 2016 03:45 PM (QKzob)
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PA deadline missed
WI rejects hand count
hILLRY Suicide Watch status:
[ ] active
[ ] on hold
[x] reinstated
WI rejects hand count
hILLRY Suicide Watch status:
[ ] active
[ ] on hold
[x] reinstated
Posted by: wth at November 28, 2016 03:45 PM (HgMAr)
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I guess people would call me a "neo-con" since I was lefty until around 1991 and believe America should act as a rapid-response strike team to stomp on bad guys when the world needs it.
Not long term occupation and rebuilding, not invasions. Just a massive, swift, hammering of evil people so they stop their evil and then leave.
But only if it directly and specifically impacts American people and interests. Syria does not. Libya did not. Egypt did not.
Not long term occupation and rebuilding, not invasions. Just a massive, swift, hammering of evil people so they stop their evil and then leave.
But only if it directly and specifically impacts American people and interests. Syria does not. Libya did not. Egypt did not.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 03:46 PM (39g3+)
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Neo-con was the pejorative term used to disparage the Bush doctrine style interventionalists until the Democrats elected their neo-cons.
Posted by: davedavedavearf at November 28, 2016 03:46 PM (0+srV)
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I have mentioned this before, but it bears repeating:
Since Trump declared for the presidency I have watched him make mistake after mistake, say all the wrong things, screw up constantly, be written off by all of the really smart political minds.
He screwed up all the way to the White House.
I'm reserving judgement on most of what he does until it is abundantly clear that it was a mistake.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2016 03:39 PM (42Mgr)
I couldn't agree more. For a "no-hoper" and an idiot, he sure has confounded the pundits.
Someone here deprecated my suggestion that some of the stuff he does is calculated, rather than merely flip-flopping. Now I don't know which is the case, but if he's flailing around randomly, in that case he should buy lottery tickets, because he's had an amazing run of luck.
With each success, the odds against luck get longer and longer. It's rather like my view of Obongo's life story: it too constituted an amazing run of luck, or more likely, string-pulling behind the scenes by a shadowy cabal.
Since Trump declared for the presidency I have watched him make mistake after mistake, say all the wrong things, screw up constantly, be written off by all of the really smart political minds.
He screwed up all the way to the White House.
I'm reserving judgement on most of what he does until it is abundantly clear that it was a mistake.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2016 03:39 PM (42Mgr)
I couldn't agree more. For a "no-hoper" and an idiot, he sure has confounded the pundits.
Someone here deprecated my suggestion that some of the stuff he does is calculated, rather than merely flip-flopping. Now I don't know which is the case, but if he's flailing around randomly, in that case he should buy lottery tickets, because he's had an amazing run of luck.
With each success, the odds against luck get longer and longer. It's rather like my view of Obongo's life story: it too constituted an amazing run of luck, or more likely, string-pulling behind the scenes by a shadowy cabal.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:46 PM (SRKgf)
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364 Per NBC the #OhioState attacker was upset over the treatment of muslims worldwide.
So he stabbed citizens of the country that took him in.
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 03:45 PM (y3aQB)
They haven't claimed he was upset and scared about the election results?
Because we all know that's coming. "SEE!! LOOK AT WHAT DONALD TRUMP MADE THIS POOR KID DO!!!"
So he stabbed citizens of the country that took him in.
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 03:45 PM (y3aQB)
They haven't claimed he was upset and scared about the election results?
Because we all know that's coming. "SEE!! LOOK AT WHAT DONALD TRUMP MADE THIS POOR KID DO!!!"
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 03:46 PM (cJrMO)
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OK, fine. How does an 18 year-old refugee qualify for a loan anywhere other than a Pawn Shop?
Wait, is that 18 year-old refugee like the 27 year-old 18 year-olds in Europe?
Wait, is that 18 year-old refugee like the 27 year-old 18 year-olds in Europe?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at November 28, 2016 03:46 PM (9krrF)
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I know there's a "Paolo" who posts here, but I don't know the backstory because I was away for a long time.
So it's not the meme Paolo, I don't think.
Aw, that's one of the best memes EVAR. Someone must have that post/URL saved, yes? (I can't even remember to change my socks.)
So it's not the meme Paolo, I don't think.
Aw, that's one of the best memes EVAR. Someone must have that post/URL saved, yes? (I can't even remember to change my socks.)
Posted by: Darkwing Duck at November 28, 2016 03:46 PM (u0s1P)
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If we're going to nominate Generals Who Got On Barky's Bad Side for Secretary of State, why not McChrystal (sp?). I recall him leaving in a huff and making sure everybody knew it was because of Barky.
Posted by: Boots at November 28, 2016 03:46 PM (EBwPV)
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Was it Some Guy, or That Guy? Because I remember That Guy saying something similar.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 03:43 PM
There's more than one That Guy.
Oh yeah, En fuego!
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 03:43 PM
There's more than one That Guy.
Oh yeah, En fuego!
Posted by: That Guy who shouts "En Diego!" at November 28, 2016 03:46 PM (DMUuz)
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324 202 196 I don't want Romney or Petreaus
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 03:22 PM (EbeEQ)
I agree.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 03:23 PM (cJrMO)
I agree. Soothsayer agrees. Can we make this unanimous?
Posted by: washrivergal at November 28, 2016 03:40 PM (CFc5L)
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Count me in!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 03:22 PM (EbeEQ)
I agree.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 03:23 PM (cJrMO)
I agree. Soothsayer agrees. Can we make this unanimous?
Posted by: washrivergal at November 28, 2016 03:40 PM (CFc5L)
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Count me in!
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 28, 2016 03:47 PM (Nox3c)
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Rick Cocksucker Wilson is on CNN right now crapping on Trump voters and Trump
With a middle name like that I can understand a little anger.
Maybe he should change it, or not use it officially.
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In our family, our middle names are after our maternal grandparents. Lucky for me, I was named first.
With a middle name like that I can understand a little anger.
Maybe he should change it, or not use it officially.
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In our family, our middle names are after our maternal grandparents. Lucky for me, I was named first.
Posted by: John Pussylicker Wilson at November 28, 2016 03:47 PM (gmeXX)
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Pennsylvania State Department says Stein missed recount deadline
Oh well...looks like MORE MONEY FOR US THEN!
Thanks, everybody!
Oh well...looks like MORE MONEY FOR US THEN!
Thanks, everybody!
Posted by: Why Do You Think They Call Us The "Green" Party at November 28, 2016 03:47 PM (qJhUV)
Posted by: Paolo at November 28, 2016 03:47 PM (pyZce)
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>>So why are we saber rattling over the EU's problem? When they are bigger than us?
Why did we go to the aide of Europe not once but twice? NATO and what happens in Europe is our problem by both treaty and fact. Whether we like it or not, we always have to get involved sooner or later.
Seriously, if people don't think Trump is already moderating his views on Russia take a good look at the people Trump is choosing or considering for key positions and look at their position in regards to Russia.
Mattis? Thinks the situation in Ukraine is much more serious than people in the West and particularly Obama made it out to be. Fears Putin is trying to break NATO which Mattis very much supports.
Pompeo? Very vocal supporter of Ukraine and very much against Russian expansion.
Trump has a long history of staking out a maximilast position and then walking it back. He wrote a whole book about it. And he's already shown it when it comes to illegals and Hillary.
We have been at war in one form or anther for decades and as General Mattis said:
>>No war is over until the enemy says its over We may think it over we may declare it over but in fact the enemy gets a vote
Why did we go to the aide of Europe not once but twice? NATO and what happens in Europe is our problem by both treaty and fact. Whether we like it or not, we always have to get involved sooner or later.
Seriously, if people don't think Trump is already moderating his views on Russia take a good look at the people Trump is choosing or considering for key positions and look at their position in regards to Russia.
Mattis? Thinks the situation in Ukraine is much more serious than people in the West and particularly Obama made it out to be. Fears Putin is trying to break NATO which Mattis very much supports.
Pompeo? Very vocal supporter of Ukraine and very much against Russian expansion.
Trump has a long history of staking out a maximilast position and then walking it back. He wrote a whole book about it. And he's already shown it when it comes to illegals and Hillary.
We have been at war in one form or anther for decades and as General Mattis said:
>>No war is over until the enemy says its over We may think it over we may declare it over but in fact the enemy gets a vote
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:47 PM (/tuJf)
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Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:44 PM (kjbSf)
So S.E. Cupp goes down Eh ?
https://tinyurl.com/h6fkmda
So S.E. Cupp goes down Eh ?
https://tinyurl.com/h6fkmda
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 03:47 PM (y3aQB)
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Sure. Make Romney bend the knee, and acknowledge who calls the shots. Absolutely. But then kiss and make up, if possible. It's stupid to make mortal enemies unnecessarily.
After all, Trump said some nasty things about others, too. Saying nasty things and then burying the hatchet when possible is also how the world works.
Trump's never going to get the MSM, Hollywood, or academia in his corner. He'll need as many friends (or at least non-enemies) as he can muster. If Romney (or anyone else) spurns the olive branch, then they've declared for the other side, and I'd fuck them mercilessly pour encourger l'autres. But first I'd give them the chance to come to Jesus.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:39 PM (SRKgf)
I agree with all of that. I'm just pointing out that omg why would Trump do that, you don't do that *gets the vapors* is part of what CBD noted has been the conventional way in which politics works.
Trump has blown that up and is playing by different rules. Here is speculation on those rules.
I would have no problem with Romney as SoS. Anyone who can tell the IOC members where to go, take them by the hand, lead them there and then shove their heads way way way up there should be fine as SoS.
I'm also fine with Trump doing the dance and then picking someone else.
After all, Trump said some nasty things about others, too. Saying nasty things and then burying the hatchet when possible is also how the world works.
Trump's never going to get the MSM, Hollywood, or academia in his corner. He'll need as many friends (or at least non-enemies) as he can muster. If Romney (or anyone else) spurns the olive branch, then they've declared for the other side, and I'd fuck them mercilessly pour encourger l'autres. But first I'd give them the chance to come to Jesus.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:39 PM (SRKgf)
I agree with all of that. I'm just pointing out that omg why would Trump do that, you don't do that *gets the vapors* is part of what CBD noted has been the conventional way in which politics works.
Trump has blown that up and is playing by different rules. Here is speculation on those rules.
I would have no problem with Romney as SoS. Anyone who can tell the IOC members where to go, take them by the hand, lead them there and then shove their heads way way way up there should be fine as SoS.
I'm also fine with Trump doing the dance and then picking someone else.
Posted by: alexthechick - why does no one listen to me about Outside at November 28, 2016 03:48 PM (mf5HN)
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I don't think Trump is as thin skinned as he portrays himself. This isn't about an apology from Romney. I see it playing as Trump offering the job to Romney just to help assuage the butthurt in the neocon camp. He is unable to give him the job though because of the obvious shit storm even mentioning his name has caused in the Big Tent (tm) that Trump has created. "So sorry Mitt but I can't put in as SOS...howzabout a nice lower level position that more of OUR party would like to see your skills utilized in like fixing the VA or heading up the animal rights division of interstate commerce?"
Posted by: ajmojo at November 28, 2016 03:48 PM (1H9ox)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2016 03:48 PM (42Mgr)
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>> Just to watch Andrew Sullivan's head explode.
Literally?
Where do you buy tickets, and is it more or less than 'Hamilton'? I'd certainly pay more.
Literally?
Where do you buy tickets, and is it more or less than 'Hamilton'? I'd certainly pay more.
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 03:48 PM (TppKb)
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Now, I know some of these kids personally, and some of them are in fact great kids, but...someone needs to be honest about what's going on.
What's going on is encouraging parents to not feed or care for their kids.
What's going on is encouraging parents to not feed or care for their kids.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 03:48 PM (39g3+)
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Who's the sucker who's gonna get stuck paying off this guy's student loan?
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Do you recall Hillary's campaign ?
Dem's are going student loan forgiveness. The more dem voters they can indenture with student loans the more motivated voters they have next time.
Wait for it next election.
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Do you recall Hillary's campaign ?
Dem's are going student loan forgiveness. The more dem voters they can indenture with student loans the more motivated voters they have next time.
Wait for it next election.
Posted by: simplemind at November 28, 2016 03:48 PM (xVRrG)
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I see the dismissal of the term neoconservative as a method to marginalize the speaker and to end the conversation.
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at November 28, 2016 03:44 PM (mr+B+)
No it is not..It is just the other way round. EACH situation should be judged on it's own merits not lumped in with anyone's arbitrary definition. Unless your an old fashion Isolationist. And that's fine but admit it, don't try to tar the other side
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at November 28, 2016 03:44 PM (mr+B+)
No it is not..It is just the other way round. EACH situation should be judged on it's own merits not lumped in with anyone's arbitrary definition. Unless your an old fashion Isolationist. And that's fine but admit it, don't try to tar the other side
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 03:48 PM (EbeEQ)
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Who's the sucker who's gonna get stuck paying off this guy's student loan?
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 28, 2016 03:43 PM (iWW0H)
Got a mirror?
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 28, 2016 03:43 PM (iWW0H)
Got a mirror?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:48 PM (SRKgf)
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In our family, our middle names are after our maternal grandparents. Lucky for me, I was named first.
Your maternal grandfather was named First?
Your maternal grandfather was named First?
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 03:48 PM (sUwfN)
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I am either "troubled" or "nonchalant" about this story.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 28, 2016 03:49 PM (Ndje9)
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He does the sex with you wives.
Posted by: Paolo at November 28, 2016 03:47 PM (pyZce)
Oh, in that case, yes it was THE Paolo at our turkey day.
Posted by: Paolo at November 28, 2016 03:47 PM (pyZce)
Oh, in that case, yes it was THE Paolo at our turkey day.
Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2016 03:49 PM (jkmtt)
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>>The Federal government is mandating, and at least in part funding, two
meals a day for most elementary-age illegals (and children of illegals)
in many parts of this country.
Ugh, and dinner is some major cities, too.
Also there are programs to send the kids home w/food for the weekend (not sure if public or private) and school lunches served during the summer.
meals a day for most elementary-age illegals (and children of illegals)
in many parts of this country.
Ugh, and dinner is some major cities, too.
Also there are programs to send the kids home w/food for the weekend (not sure if public or private) and school lunches served during the summer.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 28, 2016 03:49 PM (NOIQH)
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Someone here deprecated my suggestion that some of the stuff he does is calculated, rather than merely flip-flopping. Now I don't know which is the case, but if he's flailing around randomly, in that case he should buy lottery tickets, because he's had an amazing run of luck.
With each success, the odds against luck get longer and longer. It's rather like my view of Obongo's life story: it too constituted an amazing run of luck, or more likely, string-pulling behind the scenes by a shadowy cabal.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:46 PM (SRKgf)
Ace almost banned me here one day, when early on he was complaining about something Trump said... and I was trying to make the point he was playing the media..
I think I used the term 'Ace was playing checkers, while Trump was playing chess'....
The result wasn't pretty...
With each success, the odds against luck get longer and longer. It's rather like my view of Obongo's life story: it too constituted an amazing run of luck, or more likely, string-pulling behind the scenes by a shadowy cabal.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:46 PM (SRKgf)
Ace almost banned me here one day, when early on he was complaining about something Trump said... and I was trying to make the point he was playing the media..
I think I used the term 'Ace was playing checkers, while Trump was playing chess'....
The result wasn't pretty...
Posted by: Don Q. at November 28, 2016 03:49 PM (qf6WZ)
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Every major metro endorsed Romney for SoS -- he can't lose.
Posted by: regular joe at November 28, 2016 03:50 PM (mXXEx)
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 03:50 PM (3myMJ)
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Yeah that paolo was based on some dude writing a story about paolo dicking his wife and he was fine with it. NYT or New Yorker or some other gay boy fanzine.
Posted by: davedavedavearf at November 28, 2016 03:50 PM (0+srV)
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>> Pennsylvania State Department says Stein missed
>> recount deadline
Oh, gee.
Wisconsin pushes back (personnel is policy) and Pennsylvania says they screwed up.
Right now it's Black Friday for judge-shopping Democrat lawyers. They'll get paid out of the Sucker Millions, no matter whether they find that perfect gift judge or not.
>> recount deadline
Oh, gee.
Wisconsin pushes back (personnel is policy) and Pennsylvania says they screwed up.
Right now it's Black Friday for judge-shopping Democrat lawyers. They'll get paid out of the Sucker Millions, no matter whether they find that perfect gift judge or not.
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 03:51 PM (TppKb)
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Really, at this point all Romney needs is Barack Obama's support for SOS.
Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2016 03:51 PM (pyZce)
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Not long term occupation and rebuilding, not invasions. Just a massive, swift, hammering of evil people so they stop their evil and then leave.
The problem with this is that as General Powell said, "you break it, you buy it." Yes, I know Colon Bowell is a putz in so many other ways.
But you know what? After his Soviet backers folded up, and especially after Iraq 2.0, Moe Quaddaffy said "uncle". He even invited Western Oil companies back into Libya, gave up on the state sponsored terrorism, and it seems like he just wanted to be left alone to his female bodyguard harem, and to oppress his own people.
Rather than upset that hornet's nest, we probably should have left him that way.
The problem with this is that as General Powell said, "you break it, you buy it." Yes, I know Colon Bowell is a putz in so many other ways.
But you know what? After his Soviet backers folded up, and especially after Iraq 2.0, Moe Quaddaffy said "uncle". He even invited Western Oil companies back into Libya, gave up on the state sponsored terrorism, and it seems like he just wanted to be left alone to his female bodyguard harem, and to oppress his own people.
Rather than upset that hornet's nest, we probably should have left him that way.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 28, 2016 03:51 PM (ujg0T)
400
he Federal government is mandating, and at least in part funding, two
meals a day for most elementary-age illegals (and children of illegals)
in many parts of this country.
Ugh, and dinner is some major cities, too.
Also there are programs to send the kids home w/food for the weekend (not sure if public or private) and school lunches served during the summer.
==============================
Why am I spending my own money to feed my kids?
meals a day for most elementary-age illegals (and children of illegals)
in many parts of this country.
Ugh, and dinner is some major cities, too.
Also there are programs to send the kids home w/food for the weekend (not sure if public or private) and school lunches served during the summer.
==============================
Why am I spending my own money to feed my kids?
Posted by: simplemind at November 28, 2016 03:51 PM (xVRrG)
401
Who's the sucker who's gonna get stuck paying off this guy's student loan?
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 28, 2016 03:43 PM (iWW0H)
You got a mirror? Go introduce yourself to the guy in it.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 28, 2016 03:43 PM (iWW0H)
You got a mirror? Go introduce yourself to the guy in it.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Days of Rage and Tears Black Friday Sale at The Outrage Outlet! at November 28, 2016 03:51 PM (hLRSq)
402
Neo-con was the pejorative term used to disparage the Bush doctrine style interventionalists until the Democrats elected their neo-cons.
Posted by: davedavedavearf
They embraced the term until the Iraq War went South.
It started out being a term for "intellectuals" that were liberal on domestic policy but became hawkish on national defense. And usually Jewish.
Then it got to where if you accused someone of being a NeoCon, you were an anti-semite, etc.
To me, it now means the Bush/McCain/Kristol/Lieberman doctrine of constant nation building and war.
Posted by: davedavedavearf
They embraced the term until the Iraq War went South.
It started out being a term for "intellectuals" that were liberal on domestic policy but became hawkish on national defense. And usually Jewish.
Then it got to where if you accused someone of being a NeoCon, you were an anti-semite, etc.
To me, it now means the Bush/McCain/Kristol/Lieberman doctrine of constant nation building and war.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 03:51 PM (KsYpa)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 03:51 PM (y3aQB)
404
>>Oh, in that case, yes it was THE Paolo at our turkey day.
Paolo started with an article written by a guy in an open marriage whose wife was fooling around on him w/foreign guys. Dude was advocating for this, trying to sell it as a good thing for his marriage (and by implication, yours). Unreal. Can't remember if Ace came up with Paolo or if that was from the article.
Paolo started with an article written by a guy in an open marriage whose wife was fooling around on him w/foreign guys. Dude was advocating for this, trying to sell it as a good thing for his marriage (and by implication, yours). Unreal. Can't remember if Ace came up with Paolo or if that was from the article.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 28, 2016 03:52 PM (NOIQH)
405
Neo-con was the pejorative term used to disparage the Bush doctrine style interventionalists until the Democrats elected their neo-cons.
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Bush invaded two countries. Two. One was less an invasion and more a destruction.
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Bush invaded two countries. Two. One was less an invasion and more a destruction.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:52 PM (gmeXX)
406
To me, it now means the Bush/McCain/Kristol/Lieberman doctrine of constant nation building and war.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 03:51 PM (KsYpa)
the problem is there is no nuiance with that definition. It is not all black and white...there are a LOT of greys in there.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 03:51 PM (KsYpa)
the problem is there is no nuiance with that definition. It is not all black and white...there are a LOT of greys in there.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 03:52 PM (EbeEQ)
407
Rather than upset that hornet's nest, we probably should have left him that way.[I/]
How dare you impugn my service, you whacko hobbit.
How dare you impugn my service, you whacko hobbit.
Posted by: John McCain at November 28, 2016 03:52 PM (u0s1P)
408
395 This just in, the Ohio State Attack not official.
Andy Reid had just called a time out.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 03:50 PM (3myMJ)
They're reviewing the call on the field in the replay booth.
Andy Reid had just called a time out.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 03:50 PM (3myMJ)
They're reviewing the call on the field in the replay booth.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 03:53 PM (SRKgf)
409
Latest poll says Clinton +4%...
Posted by: Crusader at November 28, 2016 03:53 PM (ewSN2)
410
Pennsylvania State Department says Stein missed recount deadline
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Stein has filed for recount in PA and has supporters making requests in each precinct. Apparently a recount has to be requested in each precinct. I don't quite understand the ins and outs. They have till 5 ET
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Stein has filed for recount in PA and has supporters making requests in each precinct. Apparently a recount has to be requested in each precinct. I don't quite understand the ins and outs. They have till 5 ET
Posted by: grammie winger at November 28, 2016 03:53 PM (dFi94)
411
@124 He wants to hobble someone that has the infrastructure to possibly challenge him for his Party's primary in 4 years if someone goes haywire.
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Romney's made it clear repeatedly that he has no further interest in running for president. There was even a link posted here way back at the start of the primary season pointing out that all of the "Romney's reconsidering his decision not to run!!1!" stories were really plants by people who wanted him to run. And yet, every time another of those rumors turned up, people here acted as if Romney were about to throw his hat into the ring. It was all FAKE NEWS.
Let the bogeyman rest. It's only distracting people from more important issues.
Also, imo, a belief that Trump is doing this to annoy Romney is foolish. I suspect Romney would be quite happy to stay out of public office for the rest of his life. That doesn't mean that he automatically won't agree to something that Trump offers. But expecting him to publicly humiliate himself in return for a job in the administration is stupid.
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Romney's made it clear repeatedly that he has no further interest in running for president. There was even a link posted here way back at the start of the primary season pointing out that all of the "Romney's reconsidering his decision not to run!!1!" stories were really plants by people who wanted him to run. And yet, every time another of those rumors turned up, people here acted as if Romney were about to throw his hat into the ring. It was all FAKE NEWS.
Let the bogeyman rest. It's only distracting people from more important issues.
Also, imo, a belief that Trump is doing this to annoy Romney is foolish. I suspect Romney would be quite happy to stay out of public office for the rest of his life. That doesn't mean that he automatically won't agree to something that Trump offers. But expecting him to publicly humiliate himself in return for a job in the administration is stupid.
Posted by: junior at November 28, 2016 03:53 PM (ff27+)
412
And how dare the Barrel.
Posted by: John McCain at November 28, 2016 03:53 PM (u0s1P)
Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2016 03:53 PM (pyZce)
414
guess people would call me a "neo-con" since I was lefty until around 1991 and believe America should act as a rapid-response strike team to stomp on bad guys when the world needs it.
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Which didn't work, which is why so many hide from the term now, call others names when they point out it was a coherent foreign policy philosophy, and want to disguise it as anything but.
Though I do understand. Nobody likes being wrong.
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Which didn't work, which is why so many hide from the term now, call others names when they point out it was a coherent foreign policy philosophy, and want to disguise it as anything but.
Though I do understand. Nobody likes being wrong.
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at November 28, 2016 03:53 PM (mr+B+)
415
OT, but I saw that Colin Kaepernick was tackled by Kiko Alonso, a Cuban-American, which ended the Dolphins-49ers game. Kiko also intercepted a pass by CK earlier in the game.
This makes me happy.
This makes me happy.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (u0lmX)
416
Perhaps he authorized Ms Conway to say what she did? Makes sense if he wants to trash Mitt without his fingerprints on it.
Posted by: changes at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (rSOnU)
Posted by: Shill Stein at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (vtcmf)
418
I see the dismissal of the term neoconservative as a method to marginalize the speaker and to end the conversation.
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at November 28, 2016 03:44 PM (mr+B+)
I am honestly trying not to do that, at least not anymore than the paleo-conservatives were marginalized as "isolationist fools".
But somewhere between global interventionism and nationalist isolationism, there is a happy middle. A sweet spot.
Saying we went too far one way does not mean going full tilt the other.
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at November 28, 2016 03:44 PM (mr+B+)
I am honestly trying not to do that, at least not anymore than the paleo-conservatives were marginalized as "isolationist fools".
But somewhere between global interventionism and nationalist isolationism, there is a happy middle. A sweet spot.
Saying we went too far one way does not mean going full tilt the other.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (ujg0T)
419
the problem is there is no nuiance with that definition. It is not all black and white...there are a LOT of greys in there.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Isn't that EVERY term in politics?
Jeb Bush and Donald Trump both say they are "conservative".
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Isn't that EVERY term in politics?
Jeb Bush and Donald Trump both say they are "conservative".
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (KsYpa)
420
Trump may be angry, at whoever it is supposedly providing leaks about how angry he is.
Or maybe they have no inside source, and they just script their own preferred narrative. angry ... confused ... orange ... racist ... there you go boys, write a story every day around that.
Or maybe they have no inside source, and they just script their own preferred narrative. angry ... confused ... orange ... racist ... there you go boys, write a story every day around that.
Posted by: illiniwek at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (LhGBu)
421
I'd love to see the Donald humiliate Mitt Romney by offering the SoS job to someone else.
Posted by: Ernie McCracken at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (dcYpm)
422
The Wisconsin recount continues. Stein's request for a hand count was rejected and she says she will sue. Meanwhile the recount by machine tally can move forward.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (dFi94)
423
To me, it now means the Bush/McCain/Kristol/Lieberman doctrine of constant nation building and war.
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Again, 2 countries. Only one of which did he really try to "nation-build." With the goal of having one US friendly state in the region. And by 2008, goal was basically accomplished.
This idea that Bush wanted to nation-build everywhere in the mideast is just fancy.
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Again, 2 countries. Only one of which did he really try to "nation-build." With the goal of having one US friendly state in the region. And by 2008, goal was basically accomplished.
This idea that Bush wanted to nation-build everywhere in the mideast is just fancy.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (gmeXX)
424
89
If Trump chooses Romney I have to assume that Romeny will get clear
marching orders, then turn them into pretty words...which is the primary
job of the SoS.
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This is why I care little about it. The President really drives
foreign policy. I feel like other cabinet members can actually drive
policy more than State.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:05 PM (gmeXX)
Exactly this. You can say Mitt is alot of things, neocon, establishment whatever and you'd be right. But that aside he seems like a decent guy. He's a good, capable administrator and would put America's interests first. Regardless of how he feels about Trump personally.I see him as a foil for Trump on the world stage, the polished ambassador for the barbarian king, who knows all the proper and correct ways to smile and tell our enemies to F off. While Trump just says F off. Heh.
If Trump chooses Romney I have to assume that Romeny will get clear
marching orders, then turn them into pretty words...which is the primary
job of the SoS.
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This is why I care little about it. The President really drives
foreign policy. I feel like other cabinet members can actually drive
policy more than State.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:05 PM (gmeXX)
Exactly this. You can say Mitt is alot of things, neocon, establishment whatever and you'd be right. But that aside he seems like a decent guy. He's a good, capable administrator and would put America's interests first. Regardless of how he feels about Trump personally.I see him as a foil for Trump on the world stage, the polished ambassador for the barbarian king, who knows all the proper and correct ways to smile and tell our enemies to F off. While Trump just says F off. Heh.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (1zARK)
425
According to our local news he was angry about not having prayer rooms on campus because Muslims have to pray 5 times a day. The campus is as large as some small cities but he couldn't find a private place to oray?
Posted by: Abby at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (HBU7W)
Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (h4LRT)
427
Paolo is Ace's alter ego.
You can tell the difference because Paolo has a little Van Dyke.
Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2016 03:53 PM (pyZce)
Whereas ace has the big breasted dyke porn.
You can tell the difference because Paolo has a little Van Dyke.
Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2016 03:53 PM (pyZce)
Whereas ace has the big breasted dyke porn.
Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2016 03:55 PM (tewYv)
428
re: the link above about the fear of Trump's response to the somali shooter-driver-knifer
If you read the tweets, they're worried for purely political reasons. That's their fear -- that Trump, instead of they, will be able to politicize the somali attacker.
re: the link above about the fear of Trump's response to the somali shooter-driver-knifer
If you read the tweets, they're worried for purely political reasons. That's their fear -- that Trump, instead of they, will be able to politicize the somali attacker.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:55 PM (kjbSf)
429
425 According to our local news he was angry about not having prayer rooms on campus because Muslims have to pray 5 times a day. The campus is as large as some small cities but he couldn't find a private place to oray?
Posted by: Abby at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (HBU7W)
I can't think of anything I'd want to do 5 times a day!
Posted by: Abby at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (HBU7W)
I can't think of anything I'd want to do 5 times a day!
Posted by: Norm Peterson at November 28, 2016 03:55 PM (BoQ04)
430
Senator-Elect Kamala Harris has issued a statement on Jihad:
https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/803299325086339075
https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/803299325086339075
Posted by: MTF at November 28, 2016 03:55 PM (sCBEO)
431
>> Rather than upset that hornet's nest, we probably
>> should have left him that way.
Anyone got any good reading material (net or books) on why the fuck we DIDN'T?
I mean, 'leading from behind' and all that - who in HELL thought Qaddafi really MATTERED at that point?
Of all Obama's foreign policy screwups, this one is the most imponderable, the most unfathomable.
A man who couldn't give a flying fuck about foreign policy gets led by the nose into destabilizing Libya?
>> should have left him that way.
Anyone got any good reading material (net or books) on why the fuck we DIDN'T?
I mean, 'leading from behind' and all that - who in HELL thought Qaddafi really MATTERED at that point?
Of all Obama's foreign policy screwups, this one is the most imponderable, the most unfathomable.
A man who couldn't give a flying fuck about foreign policy gets led by the nose into destabilizing Libya?
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 03:55 PM (TppKb)
432
The campus is as large as some small cities but he couldn't find a private place to oray?
Or have checked it out beforehand? Sheesh.
Or have checked it out beforehand? Sheesh.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 28, 2016 03:56 PM (u0s1P)
433
Interesting. It's quite possible that federal student loan money paid for the van and the scimitar used by the assimilating refugee.
Remember "fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here"?
Obama fixed that shit right up.
Remember "fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here"?
Obama fixed that shit right up.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 03:56 PM (3myMJ)
434
But somewhere between global interventionism and nationalist isolationism, there is a happy middle. A sweet spot.
Saying we went too far one way does not mean going full tilt the other.
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That's fair. But I think Bush gets mislabeled as an intervenionist.
Saying we went too far one way does not mean going full tilt the other.
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That's fair. But I think Bush gets mislabeled as an intervenionist.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:56 PM (gmeXX)
435
How many days should it take the human body to pass approximately 6-8 pounds of mashed potatoes (plus gravy) through the digestive system? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: ajmojo at November 28, 2016 03:56 PM (1H9ox)
436
>>You people need to wake up. The Ruskies wanted Afghanistan for a thoroughfare to take Iran.
Why would they take a country they consider a partner?
You might what to look at the history of the Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India pipeline as as a key to why some of the alliance form in that region.
That pipeline construction was finally restarted in December of 2015.
Why would they take a country they consider a partner?
You might what to look at the history of the Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India pipeline as as a key to why some of the alliance form in that region.
That pipeline construction was finally restarted in December of 2015.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:56 PM (/tuJf)
437
I am honestly trying not to do that, at least not anymore than the paleo-conservatives were marginalized as "isolationist fools".
But somewhere between global interventionism and nationalist isolationism, there is a happy middle. A sweet spot.
Saying we went too far one way does not mean going full tilt the other.
Posted by: Curmudgeon
I agree there's a happy medium, but the GOP definitely went to the far end of the spectrum on the interventionist side and needs to swing back towards the center.
Even still, the dominant strain is itching for a showdown with Russia despite Russia being at war with ISIS right now.
But somewhere between global interventionism and nationalist isolationism, there is a happy middle. A sweet spot.
Saying we went too far one way does not mean going full tilt the other.
Posted by: Curmudgeon
I agree there's a happy medium, but the GOP definitely went to the far end of the spectrum on the interventionist side and needs to swing back towards the center.
Even still, the dominant strain is itching for a showdown with Russia despite Russia being at war with ISIS right now.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 03:56 PM (KsYpa)
438
>>According to our local news he was angry about not having prayer rooms on campus because Muslims have to pray 5 times a day.
'Water Fountains, Everywhere
But a Foot Bath not in sight'
'Water Fountains, Everywhere
But a Foot Bath not in sight'
Posted by: The Rhyme of the Somali Attacker at November 28, 2016 03:57 PM (pyZce)
439
That was the current boyfriends name. He was really really good at screwing the guys wife apparently.
Posted by: davedavedavearf at November 28, 2016 03:57 PM (0+srV)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 03:57 PM (kjbSf)
441
he Federal government is mandating, and at least in part funding, two
meals a day for most elementary-age illegals (and children of illegals)
in many parts of this country.
Ugh, and dinner is some major cities, too.
Also there are programs to send the kids home w/food for the weekend (not sure if public or private) and school lunches served during the summer.
==============================
Why am I spending my own money to feed my kids?
=======================
The Federal Govt (well your taxes) pays for the Federal Student Lunch Program but only if a school district participates in the program. But in order to participate in the program, many paperwork requirements must be met and filed, and smaller districts sometimes take a pass on participating because they would have to hire additional staff to meet the paperwork demands.
In that case, there are other laws that require that students/families that meet the income guidelines receive a free/reduced price lunch. And in those districts the local taxpayers have to pay.
In our local district the schools overcharged students who paid for their own meals, in order to subsidize the free lunches and avoid increasing property taxes.
meals a day for most elementary-age illegals (and children of illegals)
in many parts of this country.
Ugh, and dinner is some major cities, too.
Also there are programs to send the kids home w/food for the weekend (not sure if public or private) and school lunches served during the summer.
==============================
Why am I spending my own money to feed my kids?
=======================
The Federal Govt (well your taxes) pays for the Federal Student Lunch Program but only if a school district participates in the program. But in order to participate in the program, many paperwork requirements must be met and filed, and smaller districts sometimes take a pass on participating because they would have to hire additional staff to meet the paperwork demands.
In that case, there are other laws that require that students/families that meet the income guidelines receive a free/reduced price lunch. And in those districts the local taxpayers have to pay.
In our local district the schools overcharged students who paid for their own meals, in order to subsidize the free lunches and avoid increasing property taxes.
Posted by: Boots at November 28, 2016 03:57 PM (EBwPV)
442
I hear Hillary will automatically win the election if the Broncos can kick a 95 yard field goal.
I hear Hillary will automatically win the election if the Broncos can kick a 95 yard field goal.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 28, 2016 03:58 PM (ODxAs)
443
>> Senator-Elect Kamala Harris has issued a statement
>> on Jihad:
Us Californians cringe and hide under our desks at the mention of her name.
>> on Jihad:
Us Californians cringe and hide under our desks at the mention of her name.
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 03:58 PM (TppKb)
444
I agree there's a happy medium, but the GOP definitely went to the far end of the spectrum on the interventionist side and needs to swing back towards the center.
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What evidence do you use to support this position?
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What evidence do you use to support this position?
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:58 PM (gmeXX)
445
According to our local news he was angry about not having prayer rooms on campus because Muslims have to pray 5 times a day. and cannot possibly do it in their dorm or the interfaith chapels.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 03:58 PM (39g3+)
446
You can tell the difference because Paolo has a little Van Dyke.
Posted by: garrett
Hey now. I'm sure it's a classy van she's driving.
Posted by: garrett
Hey now. I'm sure it's a classy van she's driving.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at November 28, 2016 03:58 PM (9krrF)
447
According to our local news he was angry about not having prayer rooms on campus because Muslims have to pray 5 times a day.
Then they should stay home, because there's no way in hell every single business and educational facility should subsidize their stupid and immoral beliefs. Fuck them.
Then they should stay home, because there's no way in hell every single business and educational facility should subsidize their stupid and immoral beliefs. Fuck them.
Posted by: Crusader at November 28, 2016 03:58 PM (ewSN2)
448
>>I mean, 'leading from behind' and all that - who in HELL thought Qaddafi really MATTERED at that point?
Of all Obama's foreign policy screwups, this one is the most imponderable, the most unfathomable.
Quadafy was the stop-gap for the Muslim Migration.
He was bottling up all the African Refugees and keeping them from Europe.
Of all Obama's foreign policy screwups, this one is the most imponderable, the most unfathomable.
Quadafy was the stop-gap for the Muslim Migration.
He was bottling up all the African Refugees and keeping them from Europe.
Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2016 03:58 PM (pyZce)
449
How many days should it take the human body to pass approximately 6-8
pounds of mashed potatoes (plus gravy) through the digestive system?
You may need some dynamite.
pounds of mashed potatoes (plus gravy) through the digestive system?
You may need some dynamite.
Posted by: Shill Stein at November 28, 2016 03:58 PM (vtcmf)
450
A man who couldn't give a flying fuck about foreign policy gets led by the nose into destabilizing Libya?
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 03:55 PM (TppKb)
Duty to protect.
One of Susan Rice or that Powers chick's things. They pushed Obama into it.
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 03:55 PM (TppKb)
Duty to protect.
One of Susan Rice or that Powers chick's things. They pushed Obama into it.
Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2016 03:58 PM (tewYv)
451
According to our local news he was angry about not having prayer rooms on campus because Muslims have to pray 5 times a day. The campus is as large as some small cities but he couldn't find a private place to oray?
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So.
These are the things journalists write when the truth would get them fired. If you are angry about a lack of accommodation. You write a letter of complaint. Complain in person. Stage a Demonstration. File a lawsuit.
This individual committed a calculated act of terrorism because he's at war with you and me and everyone else in the world who won't join his cult.
But you can't print that.
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So.
These are the things journalists write when the truth would get them fired. If you are angry about a lack of accommodation. You write a letter of complaint. Complain in person. Stage a Demonstration. File a lawsuit.
This individual committed a calculated act of terrorism because he's at war with you and me and everyone else in the world who won't join his cult.
But you can't print that.
Posted by: simplemind at November 28, 2016 03:59 PM (xVRrG)
452
I completely understand the "hurt feelings" over Romney, that some Trump supporters might have, but I would implore you to get over it.
I think it's a solid move to consolidate the base for potential re-election, I think Romney would do a fine job, and shows Trump is not surrounding himself with yes men.
Only thing I keep going back and forth on with my buddies is "will he drain the swamp" at State. I don't know if he would, friends are saying he won't.
Trump pulled off what "experts" consider a miracle, some of us thought he had a better chance (I admit I had doubts a few times during the end). I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this though.
I think it's a solid move to consolidate the base for potential re-election, I think Romney would do a fine job, and shows Trump is not surrounding himself with yes men.
Only thing I keep going back and forth on with my buddies is "will he drain the swamp" at State. I don't know if he would, friends are saying he won't.
Trump pulled off what "experts" consider a miracle, some of us thought he had a better chance (I admit I had doubts a few times during the end). I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this though.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at November 28, 2016 03:59 PM (Uy8SG)
453
How many days should it take the human body to pass approximately 6-8
pounds of mashed potatoes (plus gravy) through the digestive system?
You may need some dynamite.
----------
Or lots of Folgers Bold.
pounds of mashed potatoes (plus gravy) through the digestive system?
You may need some dynamite.
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Or lots of Folgers Bold.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:59 PM (gmeXX)
454
"the terrorist pulled a fire alarm FOR THE PURPOSE OF GETTING EVERYONE OUTSIDE so he could mow them down Nice-style. When that failed, he enacted the backup plan of attempted beheading with a traditional scimitar-tyoe weapon.
But the entire plan deserved a Darwin Award because the police had shown up BEFORE he even rammed his car, since they were responding to the fire alarm."
He was all hepped-up on the Mo-phetamines.
But the entire plan deserved a Darwin Award because the police had shown up BEFORE he even rammed his car, since they were responding to the fire alarm."
He was all hepped-up on the Mo-phetamines.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 28, 2016 03:59 PM (Ndje9)
455
425
It's not about finding a private place to "pray", it's about making the infidel pay for and accommodate your "public" place to pray!
It's not about finding a private place to "pray", it's about making the infidel pay for and accommodate your "public" place to pray!
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 28, 2016 03:59 PM (7zX8n)
456
Posted by: Lizzy at November 28, 2016 03:52 PM (NOIQH)
Thanks, at least I'm caught up on one meme anyway.
Thanks, at least I'm caught up on one meme anyway.
Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2016 04:00 PM (jkmtt)
457
"Has any leftist idiot said on twitter yet that we're lucky he didn't have a gun?"
Yes, Shannon Watts (aka Mike Bloomberg's puppet).
Yes, Shannon Watts (aka Mike Bloomberg's puppet).
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 28, 2016 04:00 PM (OD2ni)
458
415 OT, but I saw that Colin Kaepernick was tackled by Kiko Alonso, a Cuban-American, which ended the Dolphins-49ers game. Kiko also intercepted a pass by CK earlier in the game.
This makes me happy.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (u0lmX)
Not just tackled. Bent in half. Helmet almost came off. Enjoy.
http://tinyurl.com/z5nsvyt
This makes me happy.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (u0lmX)
Not just tackled. Bent in half. Helmet almost came off. Enjoy.
http://tinyurl.com/z5nsvyt
Posted by: jsg at November 28, 2016 04:00 PM (gs8be)
459
How many days should it take the human body to pass approximately 6-8 pounds of mashed potatoes (plus gravy) through the digestive system? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: ajmojo at November 28, 2016 03:56 PM (1H9ox)
..............
only about an hour or so.
Posted by: ajmojo at November 28, 2016 03:56 PM (1H9ox)
..............
only about an hour or so.
Posted by: Hillarrhoids at November 28, 2016 04:00 PM (HgMAr)
460
John Kasick at the OSU press conference, making very weird face twitches.
John Kasick at the OSU press conference, making very weird face twitches.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 04:00 PM (kjbSf)
461
I agree there's a happy medium, but the GOP definitely went to the far end of the spectrum on the interventionist side and needs to swing back towards the center.
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What evidence do you use to support this position?
Posted by: SH
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How many trillions did the War in Iraq cost again despite having nothing to do with 9/11?
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What evidence do you use to support this position?
Posted by: SH
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How many trillions did the War in Iraq cost again despite having nothing to do with 9/11?
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 04:00 PM (KsYpa)
462
Regardless of how he feels about Trump personally.I see him as a foil for Trump on the world stage, the polished ambassador for the barbarian king, who knows all the proper and correct ways to smile and tell our enemies to F off. While Trump just says F off. Heh.
I've never understood why Europeans want faggy US Presidents. If they had any brains, well, if they had any brains things would be a lot different generally, but they'd have a lot more influence on the world stage if we had Mongo as President.
Then they could portray themselves as the reasonable go-between.
"You can either deal with us, or you can deal with - shudder - Mongo. We recommend you deal with us."
"Oh don't do that. We'll try to keep Mongo in check, but if you do that ... uh oh ..."
But no. They want Pee Wee Herman for President. They must be idiots. They're basically interviewing for a bodyguard. I'd want the biggest, scariest, most-deranged looking guy I could find for my bodyguard.
I've never understood why Europeans want faggy US Presidents. If they had any brains, well, if they had any brains things would be a lot different generally, but they'd have a lot more influence on the world stage if we had Mongo as President.
Then they could portray themselves as the reasonable go-between.
"You can either deal with us, or you can deal with - shudder - Mongo. We recommend you deal with us."
"Oh don't do that. We'll try to keep Mongo in check, but if you do that ... uh oh ..."
But no. They want Pee Wee Herman for President. They must be idiots. They're basically interviewing for a bodyguard. I'd want the biggest, scariest, most-deranged looking guy I could find for my bodyguard.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 04:00 PM (SRKgf)
463
>> He was all hepped-up on the Mo-phetamines.
Mophetamines.
I think you've just created our meme for the week. Maybe the year.
Mophetamines.
I think you've just created our meme for the week. Maybe the year.
Posted by: Fake News LLC at November 28, 2016 04:00 PM (TppKb)
464
We'll be glad to point later today out how prayer spots could have stopped this tragedy from happening.
-CAIR, Ohio Chapter
-CAIR, Ohio Chapter
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 04:00 PM (3myMJ)
465
Even still, the dominant strain is itching for a showdown with Russia despite Russia being at war with ISIS right now.
See, that doesn't mean we aren't going to get into a fight with the Rooskies regardless...but then, I still suspect we're likelier to get a Sino-Russian scrap first.
See, that doesn't mean we aren't going to get into a fight with the Rooskies regardless...but then, I still suspect we're likelier to get a Sino-Russian scrap first.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at November 28, 2016 04:00 PM (9krrF)
466
Radical muslims have already attacked inside the USA, both parties want to bring in lots more of them. Then you have our southern border which are becoming no go zones for law enforcement due to Mexican drug cartels virtually annexing American land. Again, both parties push hard for open borders and amnesty.
So who do both parties tell us is the huge threat to national security? Oooo, the RUSSIANS!!!
Why should we protect the EU which is destroying itself from the inside with muzzie refugees, making it a crime to even complain about it. Yeh, "protecting freedom"
Strikes me as the big security threat from Russia is to the globalist corporations who want cheap labor, cheap resources, and armed protection from the Deplorables who do all the dying and get none of the benefits.
But you know, the "Real News" is telling me Russia hacked the election and those who question the Ruling Class are Putin Stooges spreading "Fake News". Then the complaint that illegals voted in large numbers is just "crazy talk"
Sorry, but if you want to sell war with Russia, at least tell us why it's to our benefit other than the "Free World at Risk" BS from Elites working overtime to take what freedoms we have left.
So who do both parties tell us is the huge threat to national security? Oooo, the RUSSIANS!!!
Why should we protect the EU which is destroying itself from the inside with muzzie refugees, making it a crime to even complain about it. Yeh, "protecting freedom"
Strikes me as the big security threat from Russia is to the globalist corporations who want cheap labor, cheap resources, and armed protection from the Deplorables who do all the dying and get none of the benefits.
But you know, the "Real News" is telling me Russia hacked the election and those who question the Ruling Class are Putin Stooges spreading "Fake News". Then the complaint that illegals voted in large numbers is just "crazy talk"
Sorry, but if you want to sell war with Russia, at least tell us why it's to our benefit other than the "Free World at Risk" BS from Elites working overtime to take what freedoms we have left.
Posted by: kbdabear at November 28, 2016 04:01 PM (Ya7zs)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 04:01 PM (y3aQB)
468
That's fair. But I think Bush gets mislabeled as an intervenionist
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By his own admission he Was. He thought, as many neoconservatives did, that democracies don't fight so the solution to the middle east was more democracies. That is interventionist.
That's fair. But I think Bush gets mislabeled as an intervenionist
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By his own admission he Was. He thought, as many neoconservatives did, that democracies don't fight so the solution to the middle east was more democracies. That is interventionist.
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at November 28, 2016 04:01 PM (mr+B+)
469
425 According to our local news he was angry about not having prayer rooms on campus because Muslims have to pray 5 times a day. The campus is as large as some small cities but he couldn't find a private place to oray?
Posted by: Abby at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (HBU7W)
Somalia's got some private places to pray. Pakistan too.
Just sayin'.
Posted by: Abby at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (HBU7W)
Somalia's got some private places to pray. Pakistan too.
Just sayin'.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2016 04:02 PM (SRKgf)
470
How many trillions did the War in Iraq cost again despite having nothing to do with 9/11?
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 04:00 PM (KsYpa)
????
Contrary to popular belief, the war with islam and terror did not start on 9/11.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 04:00 PM (KsYpa)
????
Contrary to popular belief, the war with islam and terror did not start on 9/11.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 04:02 PM (EbeEQ)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 04:02 PM (y3aQB)
472
It's not about finding a private place to "pray", it's about making the infidel pay for and accommodate your "public" place to pray!
I'll pay for them to use the space next to the dumpster at Bob's Sausage Haus.
I'll pay for them to use the space next to the dumpster at Bob's Sausage Haus.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 04:02 PM (sUwfN)
473
#451 - Exactly!
Let's stop pretending that being upset about no prayer space is cause for attempted mass murder, eh? Apples and elephants.
So very tired of this game they play.
Let's stop pretending that being upset about no prayer space is cause for attempted mass murder, eh? Apples and elephants.
So very tired of this game they play.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 28, 2016 04:02 PM (NOIQH)
474
How many trillions did the War in Iraq cost again despite having nothing to do with 9/11?
Survey says?
BSZZZZZZZZZZT
Even the 9/11 commission said Iraq was connected, just not in clear, obvious terms. Besides, 11 years of violating cease fire has to have some meaning or we may as well just drop the entire concept.
Survey says?
BSZZZZZZZZZZT
Even the 9/11 commission said Iraq was connected, just not in clear, obvious terms. Besides, 11 years of violating cease fire has to have some meaning or we may as well just drop the entire concept.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:02 PM (39g3+)
475
I completely understand the "hurt feelings" over Romney, that some Trump supporters might have, but I would implore you to get over it.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at November 28, 2016 03:59 PM (Uy8SG)
Oh, heck no. We didn't re-fight the 2010 primary for five years for nothing!
Well, actually, we did, but that doesn't mean it isn't a good idea to do it again! See you after the *next* contentious primary, where we can start all over again.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at November 28, 2016 03:59 PM (Uy8SG)
Oh, heck no. We didn't re-fight the 2010 primary for five years for nothing!
Well, actually, we did, but that doesn't mean it isn't a good idea to do it again! See you after the *next* contentious primary, where we can start all over again.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 28, 2016 04:02 PM (wB8Tg)
Posted by: Law Firm of Dewey, Cheatem and Howe at November 28, 2016 04:03 PM (OD2ni)
477
How many trillions did the War in Iraq cost again despite having nothing to do with 9/11?
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Bush invaded two countries - one was less an invasion and more a destruction. The goal of Iraq was to establish a presence in the Mideast to prevent these types of attacks in the future by removing a madman who had been a state sponsor of terrorism.
Yet, all you hear is how Bush wanted to invade every country - which is not true.
I'm not sure invading two (one really) country after 9/11 makes someone an interventionst in the way such term is used.
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Bush invaded two countries - one was less an invasion and more a destruction. The goal of Iraq was to establish a presence in the Mideast to prevent these types of attacks in the future by removing a madman who had been a state sponsor of terrorism.
Yet, all you hear is how Bush wanted to invade every country - which is not true.
I'm not sure invading two (one really) country after 9/11 makes someone an interventionst in the way such term is used.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:03 PM (gmeXX)
478
According to our local news he was angry about not having prayer rooms on campus because Muslims have to pray 5 times a day.
A perfect justification for "I KEEEEL YOOOO!"
A perfect justification for "I KEEEEL YOOOO!"
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 28, 2016 04:03 PM (Pby3z)
479
I agree there's a happy medium, but the GOP definitely went to the far end of the spectrum on the interventionist side and needs to swing back towards the center.
Even still, the dominant strain is itching for a showdown with Russia despite Russia being at war with ISIS right now.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 03:56 PM (KsYpa)
I totally agree.
Moreover, even if the neo-cons ARE right, the facts are that we are broke and have too many problems at home. Even if we *want* to intervene, right now, we *can't*. Not for the next 8 years at least, possibly longer.
Even still, the dominant strain is itching for a showdown with Russia despite Russia being at war with ISIS right now.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 03:56 PM (KsYpa)
I totally agree.
Moreover, even if the neo-cons ARE right, the facts are that we are broke and have too many problems at home. Even if we *want* to intervene, right now, we *can't*. Not for the next 8 years at least, possibly longer.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 28, 2016 04:03 PM (ujg0T)
480
I'm still trying to decide whether or not Kellyanne is hittable or not? I dig the consistently plunging neckline, but sometimes she has that used to be hot bony chain smoker at the end of the bar look to her.
Learned a few things from those types though.
Learned a few things from those types though.
Posted by: ajmojo at November 28, 2016 04:03 PM (1H9ox)
481
So, yes: IT WAS A TERROR ATTACK.
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 02:46 PM (jBuUi)
But it will never be acknowledge as such
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2016 02:46 PM (jBuUi)
But it will never be acknowledge as such
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2016 04:03 PM (493sH)
482
He thought, as many neoconservatives did, that democracies don't fight so the solution to the middle east was more democracies. That is interventionist.
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at November 28, 2016 04:01 PM (mr+B+)
See that is the stuff I hate. I would called by sum a neocon and I do NOT believe that and never did. As I said above this is NOT black and white.
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at November 28, 2016 04:01 PM (mr+B+)
See that is the stuff I hate. I would called by sum a neocon and I do NOT believe that and never did. As I said above this is NOT black and white.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 04:03 PM (EbeEQ)
483
Stein to sue Pa. Because her campaign is Leftarded
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 04:01 PM (y3aQB)
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She's suing Wisconsin too, because they won't count each ballot by hand.
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 04:01 PM (y3aQB)
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She's suing Wisconsin too, because they won't count each ballot by hand.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 28, 2016 04:04 PM (dFi94)
484
Stein's lawsuit would have to present evidence that election fraud was probable in Pennsylvania. DEMOCRATIC Secretary of State Pedro Cortes says there's no evidence of voting irregularities during the Nov. 8 election
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 04:04 PM (y3aQB)
485
Former Enron Adviser and Certified Lunatic Paul Krugman opines that Comey and Putin "installed" Trump to the Presidency.
http://tinyurl.com/Krugman-Election-Conspiracy
http://tinyurl.com/Krugman-Election-Conspiracy
Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2016 04:04 PM (CS7jF)
486
Stein to sue Pa. Because her campaign is Leftarded
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 04:01 PM (y3aQB)
Stein aka Hillary's handpuppet
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 04:01 PM (y3aQB)
Stein aka Hillary's handpuppet
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2016 04:04 PM (493sH)
487
Upset over lack of prayer space???
This is on par with "Syrian" refugees in Europe who keep burning down their refugee centers or camps (like Calais) because the food is bad and the wifi is crap.
This is on par with "Syrian" refugees in Europe who keep burning down their refugee centers or camps (like Calais) because the food is bad and the wifi is crap.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 28, 2016 04:04 PM (NOIQH)
488
Well back to work
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 04:04 PM (EbeEQ)
489
>> But no. They want Pee Wee Herman for President.
Europe wants faggy US Presidents because they're busy looting their military budgets resettling refugee rapists and doesn't want to be reminded of their treaty commitments.
The third world wants faggy US Presidents because all they really care about is extracting US taxpayer dollars one way or another (climate change, much?) and it's easier to do when the faggy US President won't push back.
Russia and China just want a faggy US President that'll put on the 'KICK ME' pants they'll gift him on Inauguration Day.
Europe wants faggy US Presidents because they're busy looting their military budgets resettling refugee rapists and doesn't want to be reminded of their treaty commitments.
The third world wants faggy US Presidents because all they really care about is extracting US taxpayer dollars one way or another (climate change, much?) and it's easier to do when the faggy US President won't push back.
Russia and China just want a faggy US President that'll put on the 'KICK ME' pants they'll gift him on Inauguration Day.
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 04:04 PM (TppKb)
490
Yep, all the murderous terrorist muzzies have very good reasons why its ok they should kill you.
Yep, all the murderous terrorist muzzies have very good reasons why its ok they should kill you.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 28, 2016 04:05 PM (ODxAs)
491
I've never understood why Europeans want faggy US Presidents.
Look at their leadership, its the brand they prefer for themselves. When you're a onesie-wearing pearl clutcher with a man purse, you are scared by rough tough cowboy mens.
Look at their leadership, its the brand they prefer for themselves. When you're a onesie-wearing pearl clutcher with a man purse, you are scared by rough tough cowboy mens.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:05 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 28, 2016 04:05 PM (BoQ04)
493
See that is the stuff I hate. I would called by sum a neocon and I do NOT believe that and never did. As I said above this is NOT black and white.
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Agree. Nation building is a much unfortunate word that the Bush administration wrongly used.
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Agree. Nation building is a much unfortunate word that the Bush administration wrongly used.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:05 PM (gmeXX)
494
It's hard to understand the devastation that has been wrought on this country by christians upset over the fact that there are no confessionals built on public lands for them to use.
Posted by: ajmojo at November 28, 2016 04:05 PM (1H9ox)
495
444 I agree there's a happy medium, but the GOP definitely went to the far end of the spectrum on the interventionist side and needs to swing back towards the center.
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What evidence do you use to support this position?
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:58 PM (gmeXX)
That we as a nation are BROKE, for starters.
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What evidence do you use to support this position?
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:58 PM (gmeXX)
That we as a nation are BROKE, for starters.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 28, 2016 04:05 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2016 04:06 PM (pyZce)
497
Stein to sue Pa. Because her campaign is Leftarded
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 04:01 PM (y3aQB)
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I told her not to smoke the stems and seeds.
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 04:01 PM (y3aQB)
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I told her not to smoke the stems and seeds.
Posted by: Gary Johnson at November 28, 2016 04:06 PM (HgMAr)
498
She's suing Wisconsin too, because they won't count each ballot by hand.
That usually costs extra in Vegas. Or so I have been told. By a friend. I wouldn't know from personal experience.
That usually costs extra in Vegas. Or so I have been told. By a friend. I wouldn't know from personal experience.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 28, 2016 04:06 PM (xq8JO)
499
One easy and meaningful thing Trump could do upon getting into office would be to retroactively reclassify all these attacks as what they are, terrorism.
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at November 28, 2016 04:06 PM (mr+B+)
500
>> Former Enron Adviser and Certified Lunatic Paul
>> Krugman opines that Comey and Putin "installed"
>> Trump to the Presidency.
Can we put Krugman, Tom Friedman, and Philip Bump in a lifeboat with five gallons of water and one oar somewhere in the middle of the Pacific and see who makes it?
>> Krugman opines that Comey and Putin "installed"
>> Trump to the Presidency.
Can we put Krugman, Tom Friedman, and Philip Bump in a lifeboat with five gallons of water and one oar somewhere in the middle of the Pacific and see who makes it?
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 04:06 PM (TppKb)
501
Stein aka Hillary's handpuppet
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2016 04:04 PM (493sH)
I always preferred the word catamite. (Although my phone does not know it for some reason.)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2016 04:04 PM (493sH)
I always preferred the word catamite. (Although my phone does not know it for some reason.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2016 04:06 PM (PsA/C)
502
Looks like CAIR and the Democrats picked the wrong day to cry about fake hate crimes on muslims.
Looks like CAIR and the Democrats picked the wrong day to cry about fake hate crimes on muslims.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 04:06 PM (kjbSf)
503
444 I agree there's a happy medium, but the GOP definitely went to the far end of the spectrum on the interventionist side and needs to swing back towards the center.
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What evidence do you use to support this position?
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:58 PM (gmeXX)
That we as a nation are BROKE, for starters.
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I'm not really sure what one has to do with the other.
To the extent we are broke - it wasn't because of the Iraq War.
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What evidence do you use to support this position?
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 03:58 PM (gmeXX)
That we as a nation are BROKE, for starters.
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I'm not really sure what one has to do with the other.
To the extent we are broke - it wasn't because of the Iraq War.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:06 PM (gmeXX)
504
Even the 9/11 commission said Iraq was connected, just not in clear, obvious terms. Besides, 11 years of violating cease fire has to have some meaning or we may as well just drop the entire concept.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:02 PM (39g3+)
Holy fuck, I'd rather re-fight The War of Northern Aggression/Civil War than dive back into this mess, but Mssr. Taylor is, of course, correct.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:02 PM (39g3+)
Holy fuck, I'd rather re-fight The War of Northern Aggression/Civil War than dive back into this mess, but Mssr. Taylor is, of course, correct.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2016 04:07 PM (CS7jF)
505
Moreover, even if the neo-cons ARE right, the facts are that we are broke and have too many problems at home.
Right. We have to fix things at home, but I do think the War on Terror needs to heat up a bit more again, to put the pressure on terrorists at their homes rather than fighting them here. Obama's idea was to drone targets like he's playing a video game, which actually does enrage and horrify people into radicalism. Going after their support structures, finances, and backers is a much more effective system.
Right. We have to fix things at home, but I do think the War on Terror needs to heat up a bit more again, to put the pressure on terrorists at their homes rather than fighting them here. Obama's idea was to drone targets like he's playing a video game, which actually does enrage and horrify people into radicalism. Going after their support structures, finances, and backers is a much more effective system.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:07 PM (39g3+)
506
That we as a nation are BROKE, for starters.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 28, 2016 04:05 PM (ujg0T)
That's like blaming the care of potted plants in the bank for the fact it went insolvent on development loans.
That we as a nation are BROKE, for starters.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 28, 2016 04:05 PM (ujg0T)
That's like blaming the care of potted plants in the bank for the fact it went insolvent on development loans.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 04:08 PM (3myMJ)
507
"People Are Already Terrified About How Donald Trump Will React To Ohio State"
http://tinyurl.com/zbauk86
Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at November 28, 2016 03:32 PM (/D5Lf)
You mean he'll call a terrorist attack a terrorist attack. Or in the deranged liberal minds he's going to send in the Trump Abteilung!!!
http://tinyurl.com/zbauk86
Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at November 28, 2016 03:32 PM (/D5Lf)
You mean he'll call a terrorist attack a terrorist attack. Or in the deranged liberal minds he's going to send in the Trump Abteilung!!!
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2016 04:08 PM (493sH)
508
Survey says?
BSZZZZZZZZZZT
Even the 9/11 commission said Iraq was connected, just not in clear, obvious terms. Besides, 11 years of violating cease fire has to have some meaning or we may as well just drop the entire concept.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Saudi Arabia had more connection to 9/11 than Iraq did. Why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia?
It was a stupid war and not even Jeb Bush would defend his brother of the decision.
At least recognize bad foreign policy decisions.
I don't want another expensive, drawn out war with the hope that it's going to "transform" the Middle East.
BSZZZZZZZZZZT
Even the 9/11 commission said Iraq was connected, just not in clear, obvious terms. Besides, 11 years of violating cease fire has to have some meaning or we may as well just drop the entire concept.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Saudi Arabia had more connection to 9/11 than Iraq did. Why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia?
It was a stupid war and not even Jeb Bush would defend his brother of the decision.
At least recognize bad foreign policy decisions.
I don't want another expensive, drawn out war with the hope that it's going to "transform" the Middle East.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 04:08 PM (KsYpa)
509
See that is the stuff I hate. I would called by sum a neocon and I do NOT believe that and never did. As I said above this is NOT black and white.
++++
What don't you believe? That democracies don't fight? That promotion of democracy in the middle east would work? That any of that is interventionist?
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What don't you believe? That democracies don't fight? That promotion of democracy in the middle east would work? That any of that is interventionist?
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at November 28, 2016 04:09 PM (mr+B+)
510
Hey! It's John Kasich! He's the son of a mailman!
Posted by: tu3031 at November 28, 2016 04:09 PM (qJhUV)
511
Holy fuck, I'd rather re-fight The War of Northern Aggression/Civil War than dive back into this mess, but Mssr. Taylor is, of course, correct.
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I feel the need to push back on this and re-fight it because so few are willing to do so.
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I feel the need to push back on this and re-fight it because so few are willing to do so.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:09 PM (gmeXX)
512
I should note this. If Romney is the man of integrity and devoutness that the more loyal of his supporters say, then he would never even deign to consider working for a man that he called a phony and a fraud.
To touch on AtC's point here way upthread..
Romney isn't a man of integrity.
He was pro choice when he needed to be when running for Gov of Mass. Yet magically (maybe it was his underwear?) flip flopped for when he ran as Pres.
Is he really pro life and just set aside his positions to be governor? In which case, it shows he's willing to do anything and say anything for the job. Which follows lack of integrity.
If he made the flip between Gov. of Mass and running for President, what was the catalyst of that change? What was his Road To Damascus moment? which again, follows a lack of integrity.
To touch on AtC's point here way upthread..
Romney isn't a man of integrity.
He was pro choice when he needed to be when running for Gov of Mass. Yet magically (maybe it was his underwear?) flip flopped for when he ran as Pres.
Is he really pro life and just set aside his positions to be governor? In which case, it shows he's willing to do anything and say anything for the job. Which follows lack of integrity.
If he made the flip between Gov. of Mass and running for President, what was the catalyst of that change? What was his Road To Damascus moment? which again, follows a lack of integrity.
Posted by: Blanco at November 28, 2016 04:09 PM (tGBt6)
513
Romney really does walk like a constipated penguin.
I want the Clinton/Bush/Romney dynasties to go away.
It would take more than an apology for me to accept Romney. He is a puthy. There, I said it. Bite moi.
I want the Clinton/Bush/Romney dynasties to go away.
It would take more than an apology for me to accept Romney. He is a puthy. There, I said it. Bite moi.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at November 28, 2016 04:09 PM (Cx8BK)
514
The refugeehadi had complained about a lack of prayer rooms. You know, like Christian Scientists do when they can't get to a reading room.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 28, 2016 04:10 PM (Nwg0u)
515
Shithead Katshit is up.
What happened to the two who were led off in handcuffs? The black guy and the swarthy looking fellow.
What happened to the two who were led off in handcuffs? The black guy and the swarthy looking fellow.
Posted by: gNewt at November 28, 2016 04:10 PM (kHwSu)
516
Upset over lack of prayer space???
This is on par with "Syrian" refugees in Europe who keep burning down their refugee centers or camps (like Calais) because the food is bad and the wifi is crap.
Face it. We OWE them better.
This is on par with "Syrian" refugees in Europe who keep burning down their refugee centers or camps (like Calais) because the food is bad and the wifi is crap.
Face it. We OWE them better.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 28, 2016 04:10 PM (8ZskC)
517
Agree. Nation building is a much unfortunate word that the Bush administration wrongly used.
I think he used it correctly, then little petulant children chanted it back at him using it incorrectly.
Nation Building is going into a place like Kosovo or Somlia (or Syria) with the intent of "fixing the place" and installing a new government.
Invading Iraq because of over a decade of violating cease fire and not only funding, but harboring and training terrorists, then rebuilding the mess we made is another thing entirely.
Rebuilding Germany and Japan after WW2 was not Nation Building.
I think he used it correctly, then little petulant children chanted it back at him using it incorrectly.
Nation Building is going into a place like Kosovo or Somlia (or Syria) with the intent of "fixing the place" and installing a new government.
Invading Iraq because of over a decade of violating cease fire and not only funding, but harboring and training terrorists, then rebuilding the mess we made is another thing entirely.
Rebuilding Germany and Japan after WW2 was not Nation Building.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:10 PM (39g3+)
518
Anyway I don't care if you hate it. It hasn't anything personal to do with you.
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at November 28, 2016 04:10 PM (mr+B+)
519
In regards to Conway, I agree with a lot of the comments that Conway doesn't go off message.
She doesn't go off message...EVER.
She is the Queen of on message discipline.
She doesn't go off message...EVER.
She is the Queen of on message discipline.
Posted by: WisRich at November 28, 2016 04:10 PM (OAlmw)
520
I feel the need to push back on this and re-fight it because so few are willing to do so.
Posted by: SH
So you still think the War in Iraq was a smart use of American power and would do it again?
Posted by: SH
So you still think the War in Iraq was a smart use of American power and would do it again?
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 04:10 PM (KsYpa)
521
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2016 04:04 PM (493sH)
President elect Donald Trump continued to slam the recount effort over the weekend, calling it a scam and declaring nothing will change. Marc Elias, general counsel for Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign, said the Clinton campaign agrees with the recount in principle, but also wrote that we had not uncovered any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology
Don't think so
Absolutely not, Cortes told reporters. There is no evidence whatsoever that points to any type of irregularity in any way, shape or form.
President elect Donald Trump continued to slam the recount effort over the weekend, calling it a scam and declaring nothing will change. Marc Elias, general counsel for Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign, said the Clinton campaign agrees with the recount in principle, but also wrote that we had not uncovered any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology
Don't think so
Absolutely not, Cortes told reporters. There is no evidence whatsoever that points to any type of irregularity in any way, shape or form.
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 04:10 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: !Deplorable Lives Matter! at November 28, 2016 04:10 PM (oBuXO)
523
"Whatever Trump's plan, it would help to trot out a guy who Trump might give the job to instead of Romney. Say David Petraeus, whom Trump is meeting with later today to talk about the job."
Romney and Petraeus as the finalists.
Were Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble busy with other commitments?
Romney and Petraeus as the finalists.
Were Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble busy with other commitments?
Posted by: torquewrench at November 28, 2016 04:10 PM (noWW6)
524
Somebody in the campaign said we should put a moratorium on muslim immigration to the US, but for some reason I just can't remember who.
Somebody in the campaign said we should put a moratorium on muslim immigration to the US, but for some reason I just can't remember who.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 28, 2016 04:11 PM (ODxAs)
525
Saudi Arabia had more connection to 9/11 than Iraq did. Why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia?
Failing to take action against Saudi Arabia doesn't make Iraq wrong or unconnected.
Plus: no 11 years of violating cease fire, training, funding, and harboring terrorism, genocide against peoples, etc.
Failing to take action against Saudi Arabia doesn't make Iraq wrong or unconnected.
Plus: no 11 years of violating cease fire, training, funding, and harboring terrorism, genocide against peoples, etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:11 PM (39g3+)
526
Too much to cover in this format (even for my terribly over-long comments), but a few bare-bones assertions:
* NATO cannot be "broken" in any sense that it currently has much actual practical value or impact; NATO's chief problems are of several decades' standing, and those are the lack of a coherent mission post-1991, and the inability/refusal of European members to contribute either political will or meaningful resources to actual challenges (this latter pre-dates the end of the Cold War, it was a major problem starting in the 80s)
* if Russian shenanigans to maintain dominance, and carve out special status for ethnic Russians and the Donbass region, are considered "expansion", then the word has no meaning
* paradoxically, the only part of Europe for which the US should have any special sympathy is the only one affected by Russian truculence (Baltics, former Bloc), owing to their enthusiastic post-9/11 support - paradoxical because these states are too small to pull that much weight in the alliance
* "US interests" in Europe are not easily defined. Germany, on its own initiative, has done massive damage to itself and much of Europe in the past few years (energy insanity, migration insanity). But does that damage "our" interests? Hard to say. Aside from that, Europe has willingly given Russia massive new leverage via energy dependence. We can't stop that. Our "interests" in all of this are not immediately clear - and this is no semantic trifle.
* the US problem with Iran is Iran, not Russia, the US problem with Turkey is Turkey, not Russia, the US problem in Syria doesn't stem primarily from a Russian relationship that began even before Brezhnev
Russia is a competitor, one with far less extensive or novel ambitions than the other main competitor, China.
The last eight years have squandered US influence (some of it bought with blood), recklessly and stupidly. Just having a serious, adult leadership again will fix some of that (yes, it is pretty astonishing to describe a Trump Administration - prospectively - that way, but in comparison to the last eight years, it's a reasonable presumption).
* NATO cannot be "broken" in any sense that it currently has much actual practical value or impact; NATO's chief problems are of several decades' standing, and those are the lack of a coherent mission post-1991, and the inability/refusal of European members to contribute either political will or meaningful resources to actual challenges (this latter pre-dates the end of the Cold War, it was a major problem starting in the 80s)
* if Russian shenanigans to maintain dominance, and carve out special status for ethnic Russians and the Donbass region, are considered "expansion", then the word has no meaning
* paradoxically, the only part of Europe for which the US should have any special sympathy is the only one affected by Russian truculence (Baltics, former Bloc), owing to their enthusiastic post-9/11 support - paradoxical because these states are too small to pull that much weight in the alliance
* "US interests" in Europe are not easily defined. Germany, on its own initiative, has done massive damage to itself and much of Europe in the past few years (energy insanity, migration insanity). But does that damage "our" interests? Hard to say. Aside from that, Europe has willingly given Russia massive new leverage via energy dependence. We can't stop that. Our "interests" in all of this are not immediately clear - and this is no semantic trifle.
* the US problem with Iran is Iran, not Russia, the US problem with Turkey is Turkey, not Russia, the US problem in Syria doesn't stem primarily from a Russian relationship that began even before Brezhnev
Russia is a competitor, one with far less extensive or novel ambitions than the other main competitor, China.
The last eight years have squandered US influence (some of it bought with blood), recklessly and stupidly. Just having a serious, adult leadership again will fix some of that (yes, it is pretty astonishing to describe a Trump Administration - prospectively - that way, but in comparison to the last eight years, it's a reasonable presumption).
Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2016 04:11 PM (QDnY+)
527
Who are these sources?
That phrase is on par with the "Some are saying..." I started hearing 10-15 years ago on the news.
That phrase is on par with the "Some are saying..." I started hearing 10-15 years ago on the news.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 28, 2016 04:12 PM (4ErVI)
528
So you still think the War in Iraq was a smart use of American power and would do it again?
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Knowing that our country would not be willing to stay there after 2008 - no I wouldn't do it again. But as of 2008, I thought it was the right decision. All we needed to do was stay - like we stayed in Germany, Japan, Korea.
Mark my word, we will be back there someday.
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Knowing that our country would not be willing to stay there after 2008 - no I wouldn't do it again. But as of 2008, I thought it was the right decision. All we needed to do was stay - like we stayed in Germany, Japan, Korea.
Mark my word, we will be back there someday.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:12 PM (gmeXX)
529
I don't care where your opinion on Romney falls...that dude has some awesome hair. And if someone could get a script together for Bruce Campbell as Mitt Romney the Zombie Slayer I would appreciate it.
Posted by: ajmojo at November 28, 2016 04:12 PM (1H9ox)
530
To touch on AtC's point here way upthread..
Romney isn't a man of integrity.
He was pro choice when he needed to be when running for Gov of Mass. Yet magically (maybe it was his underwear?) flip flopped for when he ran as Pres.
Is he really pro life and just set aside his positions to be governor? In which case, it shows he's willing to do anything and say anything for the job. Which follows lack of integrity.
If he made the flip between Gov. of Mass and running for President, what was the catalyst of that change? What was his Road To Damascus moment? which again, follows a lack of integrity.
Posted by: Blanco at November 28, 2016 04:09 PM (tGBt6)
But can't you say the same about.....Donald Trump?
Look, not exactly wild about Romney as Secretary of State but not for this reason. Trump seems to want a less interventionist but when we get involved, its going to be hard and heavy. This seems to be similar to a Romney approach, if my memory of the 2012 election is correct.
At the end of the day, Trump is going to dictate the foreign policy.
Romney isn't a man of integrity.
He was pro choice when he needed to be when running for Gov of Mass. Yet magically (maybe it was his underwear?) flip flopped for when he ran as Pres.
Is he really pro life and just set aside his positions to be governor? In which case, it shows he's willing to do anything and say anything for the job. Which follows lack of integrity.
If he made the flip between Gov. of Mass and running for President, what was the catalyst of that change? What was his Road To Damascus moment? which again, follows a lack of integrity.
Posted by: Blanco at November 28, 2016 04:09 PM (tGBt6)
But can't you say the same about.....Donald Trump?
Look, not exactly wild about Romney as Secretary of State but not for this reason. Trump seems to want a less interventionist but when we get involved, its going to be hard and heavy. This seems to be similar to a Romney approach, if my memory of the 2012 election is correct.
At the end of the day, Trump is going to dictate the foreign policy.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 28, 2016 04:12 PM (xq8JO)
531
I don't want another expensive, drawn out war with the hope that it's going to "transform" the Middle East.
A smoking hole would be an impressive transformation.
A smoking hole would be an impressive transformation.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 28, 2016 04:12 PM (8ZskC)
532
So you still think the War in Iraq was a smart use of American power and would do it again?
I think it was.... except for the fact that the American people are too weak, stupid, and lacking in love for liberty to endure the long process of stabilizing and rebuilding the country, so we got Obama and abandoned the place, creating IS.
So... yes and no.
I think it was.... except for the fact that the American people are too weak, stupid, and lacking in love for liberty to endure the long process of stabilizing and rebuilding the country, so we got Obama and abandoned the place, creating IS.
So... yes and no.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:12 PM (39g3+)
533
Regarding the recount thudding splat: reading WI is not having hand recount and Stein, raking in the $$$ she won't return, missed PA deadline by a week or so.
The Dims like losing twice. The gift that keeps on giving.
The Dims like losing twice. The gift that keeps on giving.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at November 28, 2016 04:12 PM (Cx8BK)
534
All this Trump team drama is a big steaming pile of BS advanced by a MFM wanting to tear down a Trump presidency before it even starts. Fuck them all. I hope he goes around them. Showing how irrelevant the print and broadcast media really are.
Posted by: USNtakim at November 28, 2016 04:12 PM (hMqvx)
535
To 525:
I think most *reasonable folks* agree that Iraq DID INDEED have prohibited weapons...and simply smuggled them to Syria long before the fighting broke out.
I think most *reasonable folks* agree that Iraq DID INDEED have prohibited weapons...and simply smuggled them to Syria long before the fighting broke out.
Posted by: Crusader at November 28, 2016 04:13 PM (ewSN2)
536
A perfect justification for "I KEEEEL YOOOO!"
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 28, 2016 04:03 PM (Pby3z)
That is the name of the Performance Art project I am assembling in Hassan's garage for New Year's Eve!
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 28, 2016 04:03 PM (Pby3z)
That is the name of the Performance Art project I am assembling in Hassan's garage for New Year's Eve!
Posted by: Ali Ali Al-Ali, Refugee-hadi and Performance Art student at November 28, 2016 04:13 PM (hLRSq)
537
This individual committed a calculated act of terrorism because he's at war with you and me and everyone else in the world who won't join his cult.
But you can't print that.
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Exactly. And this a-hole decided that the best way to show his devotion to his bloodthirsty god was to randomly murder as many innocent people as he could.
So yes, by all means let us rush to spend even more of our money and effort to accommodate these people in our country!
After all, what could possibly go wrong?
This individual committed a calculated act of terrorism because he's at war with you and me and everyone else in the world who won't join his cult.
But you can't print that.
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Exactly. And this a-hole decided that the best way to show his devotion to his bloodthirsty god was to randomly murder as many innocent people as he could.
So yes, by all means let us rush to spend even more of our money and effort to accommodate these people in our country!
After all, what could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Irredeemable and deplorable and proud of it at November 28, 2016 04:13 PM (rgZEV)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 04:13 PM (y3aQB)
539
That's like blaming the care of potted plants in the bank for the fact it went insolvent on development loans.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 04:08 PM (3myMJ)
Irrelevant.
Interventions cost money.
And they cost political capital, political capital which needs to be spent undoing the Obamunist fiscal mess.
I fully acknowledge the Obamunist to blame here for arguably quintupling the debt.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 04:08 PM (3myMJ)
Irrelevant.
Interventions cost money.
And they cost political capital, political capital which needs to be spent undoing the Obamunist fiscal mess.
I fully acknowledge the Obamunist to blame here for arguably quintupling the debt.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 28, 2016 04:13 PM (ujg0T)
540
I always preferred the word catamite. (Although my phone does not know it for some reason.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2016 04:06 PM (PsA/C)
Use a complete sentence to mansplain to your phone: "Shep Smith is a catamite"
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2016 04:06 PM (PsA/C)
Use a complete sentence to mansplain to your phone: "Shep Smith is a catamite"
Posted by: Abdul Artan at November 28, 2016 04:13 PM (ihtYN)
541
Romney will strap Putin to the roof of his car and give the Middle East a gay haircut.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 28, 2016 04:13 PM (Pby3z)
542
According to our local news he was angry about not having prayer rooms on campus because Muslims have to pray 5 times a day. The campus is as large as some small cities but he couldn't find a private place to oray?
Posted by: Abby at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (HBU7W)
So the only way to react is to run people over or stab them. I'm sure Ohio State diversity police will declare the school guilty of intolerance and want to turn the whole campus into a mosque
Posted by: Abby at November 28, 2016 03:54 PM (HBU7W)
So the only way to react is to run people over or stab them. I'm sure Ohio State diversity police will declare the school guilty of intolerance and want to turn the whole campus into a mosque
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2016 04:13 PM (493sH)
543
"Romney isn't a man of integrity. He was pro choice when he needed to be when running for Gov of Mass. Yet magically (maybe it was his underwear?) flip flopped for when he ran as Pres."
See also: the ban on Evil Black Rifles by the Mittbot as Governor in MA. With the Mittbot then having vocally endorsed further sweeping assaults on the rights of law-abiding gun owners while he was running for the Senate in MA.
The same Mittbot who then became a loudly touted "NRA LIFE MEMBER ELEVENTY" when running for President and having to deal with those annoying bitter-clinging flyovers who like their guns.
See also: the ban on Evil Black Rifles by the Mittbot as Governor in MA. With the Mittbot then having vocally endorsed further sweeping assaults on the rights of law-abiding gun owners while he was running for the Senate in MA.
The same Mittbot who then became a loudly touted "NRA LIFE MEMBER ELEVENTY" when running for President and having to deal with those annoying bitter-clinging flyovers who like their guns.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 28, 2016 04:13 PM (noWW6)
544
I think it was.... except for the fact that the American people are too weak, stupid, and lacking in love for liberty to endure the long process of stabilizing and rebuilding the country, so we got Obama and abandoned the place, creating IS.
So... yes and no.
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That's how I feel. Yes, I do - if only we had stayed. Knowing Obama would pull us out (with the approval of the people) - No.
So... yes and no.
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That's how I feel. Yes, I do - if only we had stayed. Knowing Obama would pull us out (with the approval of the people) - No.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:14 PM (gmeXX)
545
Holy fuck, I'd rather re-fight The War of Northern Aggression/Civil War than dive back into this mess
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I'm still pissed about the French and Indian War. I mean, the French I get, but are we talking casino or call center and was the issue slugs in the slots or phone rates?
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I'm still pissed about the French and Indian War. I mean, the French I get, but are we talking casino or call center and was the issue slugs in the slots or phone rates?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 28, 2016 04:14 PM (Nwg0u)
546
Trump won because he called out the Neocon scam.
With what we've spent in Iraq, we could have built 100 border walls.
And the world is far more dangerous in the Middle East since the iraq War.
Saddam was better than ISIS, and we can't leave US boots on the ground for a 100 years like the NeoCons want to do.
With what we've spent in Iraq, we could have built 100 border walls.
And the world is far more dangerous in the Middle East since the iraq War.
Saddam was better than ISIS, and we can't leave US boots on the ground for a 100 years like the NeoCons want to do.
Posted by: Capo at November 28, 2016 04:14 PM (nq/J2)
547
I didn't have a problem going into a war with Iraq. We had something along the nature of a cease-fire agreement with them at the close of Desert Storm. They violated that agreement big time. Our best guess was that the had chemical and biological weapons that were major threats to the region. They took perverse pleasure in torturing any and all who came withing their scope. I have no problem with going into Iraq. Desert Storm should have ended them and it didn't. That was the problem right there.
I'm just happy that this Christmas I am not lugging boxes to the Post Office and attaching customs forms. Too many Christmases by Skype.
I'm just happy that this Christmas I am not lugging boxes to the Post Office and attaching customs forms. Too many Christmases by Skype.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 28, 2016 04:15 PM (dFi94)
548
Good news of the day: Planned Parenthood would be a huge loser if ZeroCare is repealed.
http://tinyurl.com/jzarxgd
http://tinyurl.com/jzarxgd
Posted by: MTF at November 28, 2016 04:15 PM (sCBEO)
549
At press conference Kasich bleeting on about his own personal experience attending OSU. He is truly an idiot.
He did praise the police officers, though.
He did praise the police officers, though.
Posted by: not clever enough to post often at November 28, 2016 04:15 PM (tKWsB)
550
If you look at in this respect all of their movements over the last few years make perfect sense. Iran, Syria, Ukraine, Turkey, it's all being done for a reason and it is most definitely not in our or the greater West's interest.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:25 PM (/tuJf)
Jack we can't protect any of the countries on Russia's doorstep. RAND just issued a report on it. We have a whopping 24 M1's and 30 Bradley's in Europe. Tanks and AFVs, not companies or brigades. They can't even get those to the front in 10 days. So we can pointlessly rattle sabers and look stupid or we can try something productive.
Two, Syria has always been a client of Russia's.
Three, Turkey and Russia will never be longterm allies.
Four, the NeoCons blew up the Middle East and create the power vacuum. The Russians aren't going to find it any easier now.
Five, we need the Russians to help with China.
Six, Europe wouldn't be beholden to the Russkies if they weren't busy dismantling their nuclear power plants.
Give me something other than Putin is evil and must be stopped at all costs. Because while Putin isn't nice, he's not evil incarnate.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:25 PM (/tuJf)
Jack we can't protect any of the countries on Russia's doorstep. RAND just issued a report on it. We have a whopping 24 M1's and 30 Bradley's in Europe. Tanks and AFVs, not companies or brigades. They can't even get those to the front in 10 days. So we can pointlessly rattle sabers and look stupid or we can try something productive.
Two, Syria has always been a client of Russia's.
Three, Turkey and Russia will never be longterm allies.
Four, the NeoCons blew up the Middle East and create the power vacuum. The Russians aren't going to find it any easier now.
Five, we need the Russians to help with China.
Six, Europe wouldn't be beholden to the Russkies if they weren't busy dismantling their nuclear power plants.
Give me something other than Putin is evil and must be stopped at all costs. Because while Putin isn't nice, he's not evil incarnate.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at November 28, 2016 04:15 PM (J70i0)
551
Rebuilding Germany and Japan after WW2 was not Nation Building.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:10 PM (39g3+)
Yes, it was.
Necessary and proper, to stop the Stalin Steamroller poised to overrun the world, but yes, they were.
Sometimes nation-building IS good and proper.
Sometimes it just is not possible, no matter how noble the motives.
I think the latter is where we are now. We aren't the superpower we were in 1945.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:10 PM (39g3+)
Yes, it was.
Necessary and proper, to stop the Stalin Steamroller poised to overrun the world, but yes, they were.
Sometimes nation-building IS good and proper.
Sometimes it just is not possible, no matter how noble the motives.
I think the latter is where we are now. We aren't the superpower we were in 1945.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 28, 2016 04:15 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 04:15 PM (3myMJ)
553
and we can't leave US boots on the ground for a 100 years like the NeoCons want to do
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Why not? We've been in Korea for 60 years?
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Why not? We've been in Korea for 60 years?
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:15 PM (gmeXX)
554
CNBC has been running all day it's Cuba Remember Castro segments. Everyone is so sadz over the death of great Fidel. Nothing but one interview after another of the terrible loss to the country. CNBC can barely contain its grief
CNBC has been running all day it's Cuba Remember Castro segments. Everyone is so sadz over the death of great Fidel. Nothing but one interview after another of the terrible loss to the country. CNBC can barely contain its grief
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2016 04:16 PM (493sH)
555
I also do not believe for one nanosecond that KellyAnn went off message. She is not stupid and the transition is not in disarray. MSM propaganda at it's finest.
I simply want to know where Huma and Weiner are. Is this too much to ask? I could live forever without another cross-eyed hag photo selfie. Kaine, at least, popped up on twitter to make up a gun tragedy...thank you, again, God, for sparing us from this idiocy.
I simply want to know where Huma and Weiner are. Is this too much to ask? I could live forever without another cross-eyed hag photo selfie. Kaine, at least, popped up on twitter to make up a gun tragedy...thank you, again, God, for sparing us from this idiocy.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at November 28, 2016 04:16 PM (Cx8BK)
556
When he wakes up from his nap I'd enjoy hearing what Jebbie thinks of Mitt as SecState
Posted by: MTF at November 28, 2016 04:16 PM (sCBEO)
557
We aren't the superpower we were in 1945.
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What do you mean by that? We are arguably stronger.
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What do you mean by that? We are arguably stronger.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:16 PM (gmeXX)
558
When someone interferes with a prayer I am saying, I usually grab for my car keys and a chef's knife. Seems obvious.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (dFi94)
559
That usually costs extra in Vegas. Or so I have been told. By a friend. I wouldn't know from personal experience.
Posted by: Mallamutt,
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The cost of counting there makes the practice prohibitive.
Posted by: Mallamutt,
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The cost of counting there makes the practice prohibitive.
Posted by: The Rain Man at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (7H/2n)
560
Posted by: Crusader at November 28, 2016 04:13 PM (ewSN2)
That and the tons of uranium we flew out of there without permission, pissing off the IAEA considerably.
That and the tons of uranium we flew out of there without permission, pissing off the IAEA considerably.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (3myMJ)
561
I'm not really sure what one has to do with the other.
To the extent we are broke - it wasn't because of the Iraq War.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:06 PM (gmeXX)
Again, Irrelevant.
Interventions cost money.
And more importantly, they cost political capital, political capital Trump needs to spend uprooting and defunding Obamunist SJWs at home and undoing bad Obamunist programs.
To the extent we are broke - it wasn't because of the Iraq War.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:06 PM (gmeXX)
Again, Irrelevant.
Interventions cost money.
And more importantly, they cost political capital, political capital Trump needs to spend uprooting and defunding Obamunist SJWs at home and undoing bad Obamunist programs.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (ujg0T)
562
Knowing that our country would not be willing to stay there after 2008 - no I wouldn't do it again. But as of 2008, I thought it was the right decision. All we needed to do was stay - like we stayed in Germany, Japan, Korea.
Mark my word, we will be back there someday.
Posted by: SH
I'm glad that worldview was defeated in this election.
Not interested in my grandkids policing the Middle East to keep the peace.
We are still in Germany and Japan because it's strategically located, we're not running armed patrols through the country with soldiers to shut down insurgencies.
Mark my word, we will be back there someday.
Posted by: SH
I'm glad that worldview was defeated in this election.
Not interested in my grandkids policing the Middle East to keep the peace.
We are still in Germany and Japan because it's strategically located, we're not running armed patrols through the country with soldiers to shut down insurgencies.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (KsYpa)
563
and we can't leave US boots on the ground for a 100 years like the NeoCons want to do
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Why not? We've been in Korea for 60 years?
Okinawa for 71 years.
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Why not? We've been in Korea for 60 years?
Okinawa for 71 years.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (sUwfN)
564
At least I can pay off my campaign debts now.
-Jill
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 04:15 PM (3myMJ)
She probably has raised more money now than during the entire campaign. Of course getting direct deposits from the Beast helps.
-Jill
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 04:15 PM (3myMJ)
She probably has raised more money now than during the entire campaign. Of course getting direct deposits from the Beast helps.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (493sH)
565
Saddam was better than ISIS, and we can't leave US boots on the ground for a 100 years like the NeoCons want to do.
We still have soldiers in Germany and Japan. You do realize that, right?
We still have soldiers in Germany and Japan. You do realize that, right?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (39g3+)
566
https://tinyurl.com/jp7794x
Flashback George Soros Financed Hillary Clintons Recount Lawyer Marc Elias
Flashback George Soros Financed Hillary Clintons Recount Lawyer Marc Elias
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (y3aQB)
567
Who are these sources?
the voices in Joe Blow's Head when he is between Mika's thighs?
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 04:13 PM (y3aQB)
Excuse me, but if I was in that location the voices in my head would be saying "You go, boy!"
the voices in Joe Blow's Head when he is between Mika's thighs?
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 04:13 PM (y3aQB)
Excuse me, but if I was in that location the voices in my head would be saying "You go, boy!"
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Days of Rage and Tears Black Friday Sale at The Outrage Outlet! at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (hLRSq)
568
528
Declaration of War by Congress, no AUMF, no Police Action, every sleazy politician on the public record!
Declaration of War by Congress, no AUMF, no Police Action, every sleazy politician on the public record!
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 28, 2016 04:18 PM (7zX8n)
569
I would say this about who ever Trump has in his cabinet - it would be abundantly clear who is running that ship - so I don't think it would be very likely his appointees run their mouth off saying stuff contrary to what Trump wants.
Posted by: IC at November 28, 2016 04:18 PM (a0IVu)
570
"People Are Already Terrified About How Donald Trump Will React To Ohio State"
Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at November 28, 2016 03:32 PM (/D5Lf)
Also porcelain dolls, mall Santas, their own shadows.
Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at November 28, 2016 03:32 PM (/D5Lf)
Also porcelain dolls, mall Santas, their own shadows.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 28, 2016 04:18 PM (wB8Tg)
571
>> What evidence do you use to support this position?
It is not that we went full-interventionist.
It's that we (and this goes back to Bush 41, really) failed to properly account for the cost of these interventions, and to properly finish them off.
There are wars of necessity, and there are wars of convenience. Any war of convenience needs to be finished successfully before the next Congressional election. Unless you're a Democrat in which case the press will ignore them.
After Gulf War #1 we had the Northern Watch and Southern Watch patrols, the Iraqis were shooting at our planes which under a JEM Administration would have resulted in immediate and massive destruction of Iraqi infrastructure, but by then Clinton was President and just trying (successfully) to kick that can down the road.
Under Clinton we got Mogadishu, and the Balkans, the former a humiliation that cost a SecDef his job and gave the First Lady spastic nightmares some years later when she ended up responsible for a much more modest Mideast failure, the latter somewhat successful but another one of those interminable commitments.
And of course under Bush 43 we got Afghanistan (explain to me again why the Tora Bora mountains still exist as a geographic feature?) and a commitment in Iraq now ongoing to the extent that a girl born the day we went in is now (damn near, at least) fuckably legal in most of the world and all but two US states?
You do NOT fight wars like that. You certainly do NOT win wars like that.
It is not that we went full-interventionist.
It's that we (and this goes back to Bush 41, really) failed to properly account for the cost of these interventions, and to properly finish them off.
There are wars of necessity, and there are wars of convenience. Any war of convenience needs to be finished successfully before the next Congressional election. Unless you're a Democrat in which case the press will ignore them.
After Gulf War #1 we had the Northern Watch and Southern Watch patrols, the Iraqis were shooting at our planes which under a JEM Administration would have resulted in immediate and massive destruction of Iraqi infrastructure, but by then Clinton was President and just trying (successfully) to kick that can down the road.
Under Clinton we got Mogadishu, and the Balkans, the former a humiliation that cost a SecDef his job and gave the First Lady spastic nightmares some years later when she ended up responsible for a much more modest Mideast failure, the latter somewhat successful but another one of those interminable commitments.
And of course under Bush 43 we got Afghanistan (explain to me again why the Tora Bora mountains still exist as a geographic feature?) and a commitment in Iraq now ongoing to the extent that a girl born the day we went in is now (damn near, at least) fuckably legal in most of the world and all but two US states?
You do NOT fight wars like that. You certainly do NOT win wars like that.
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 04:18 PM (TppKb)
572
Again, Irrelevant.
Interventions cost money.
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Understand. My point was the GOP was far less interventionist than people claim.
Interventions cost money.
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Understand. My point was the GOP was far less interventionist than people claim.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:18 PM (gmeXX)
573
533 Regarding the recount thudding splat: reading WI is not having hand recount and Stein, raking in the $$$ she won't return, missed PA deadline by a week or so.
The Dims like losing twice. The gift that keeps on giving.
______________________
Darling, you just don't understand economics. For every dollar that is spent on the pointless recounts, $2 is deposited into the economy!
It's a win/win for everybody. Just like the billions we spend every year on food stamps for illegal aliens!
The Dims like losing twice. The gift that keeps on giving.
______________________
Darling, you just don't understand economics. For every dollar that is spent on the pointless recounts, $2 is deposited into the economy!
It's a win/win for everybody. Just like the billions we spend every year on food stamps for illegal aliens!
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi, Financial Illiterate at November 28, 2016 04:18 PM (rgZEV)
574
480 I'm still trying to decide whether or not Kellyanne is hittable or not? I
dig the consistently plunging neckline, but sometimes she has that used
to be hot bony chain smoker at the end of the bar look to her.
Daily Mail has pics of her in a bathing suit, if that helps.
dig the consistently plunging neckline, but sometimes she has that used
to be hot bony chain smoker at the end of the bar look to her.
Daily Mail has pics of her in a bathing suit, if that helps.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 28, 2016 04:18 PM (b/kAv)
575
She probably has raised more money now than during the entire campaign. Of course getting direct deposits from the Beast helps.
Hillary did save a lot of cash in Wisconsin, so she's got it.
Hillary did save a lot of cash in Wisconsin, so she's got it.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 28, 2016 04:18 PM (8ZskC)
576
Oh, my. Reading above that Katshit is appearing to discuss the OSU knife terrorist attack. I am sure, without watching and harfing, that he is saying motive unknown, etc.
It has been awhile since the karate chopper got some TV time. Did he mention that his father was a postman?
Ohio: do not relect this nincompoop.
It has been awhile since the karate chopper got some TV time. Did he mention that his father was a postman?
Ohio: do not relect this nincompoop.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at November 28, 2016 04:19 PM (Cx8BK)
577
Does Trump own any liquor companies? Oh yeah, Trump wine. These stories are driving millions of us to extra drinking.
Posted by: chilloutyo at November 28, 2016 04:19 PM (lQqJB)
578
SH is obviously a butt hurt neocon.
Did you vote for Trump, SH?
Or are you still pining away for the Bushes to return to their rightful place and get us into another futile war?
Did you vote for Trump, SH?
Or are you still pining away for the Bushes to return to their rightful place and get us into another futile war?
Posted by: Capo at November 28, 2016 04:19 PM (nq/J2)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 04:19 PM (y3aQB)
580
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (KsYpa)
You must really be a general.
Just kidding, you're OK by me even if we don't agree on how to fight the last war.
You must really be a general.
Just kidding, you're OK by me even if we don't agree on how to fight the last war.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly all the way at November 28, 2016 04:19 PM (3myMJ)
581
570 "People Are Already Terrified About How Donald Trump Will React To Ohio State"
Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at November 28, 2016 03:32 PM (/D5Lf)
Also porcelain dolls, mall Santas, their own shadows.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 28, 2016 04:18 PM (wB8Tg)
Porcelain dolls are scary as hell.
Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at November 28, 2016 03:32 PM (/D5Lf)
Also porcelain dolls, mall Santas, their own shadows.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 28, 2016 04:18 PM (wB8Tg)
Porcelain dolls are scary as hell.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 28, 2016 04:19 PM (0mRoj)
582
The war in Iraq was necessary and was done well and good and quick. The clusterfoulup that followed was unnecessary.
Bush should have taken a page from MacArthur's book but nooo that was too stern it wasn't the eWay.
That country could be prosperous and free today and the USA would be dominant in the ME. What a catastrophe he was.
Bush should have taken a page from MacArthur's book but nooo that was too stern it wasn't the eWay.
That country could be prosperous and free today and the USA would be dominant in the ME. What a catastrophe he was.
Posted by: gNewt at November 28, 2016 04:19 PM (kHwSu)
583
What do you mean by that? We are arguably stronger.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:16 PM (gmeXX)
_________________________________
Are we?
Or are we the big but weak kid on the playground that has been pushed around and made the fool over and over until he get no respect.
Strength is only part of the equation. We commanded respect back then, now, no so much.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:16 PM (gmeXX)
_________________________________
Are we?
Or are we the big but weak kid on the playground that has been pushed around and made the fool over and over until he get no respect.
Strength is only part of the equation. We commanded respect back then, now, no so much.
Posted by: IP at November 28, 2016 04:19 PM (4eC8W)
584
CNBC has been running all day it's Cuba Remember Castro segments. Everyone is so sadz over the death of great Fidel. Nothing but one interview after another of the terrible loss to the country. CNBC can barely contain its grief
Turn that frown upside down.
Go film some block parties in Little Havana in Miami.
Turn that frown upside down.
Go film some block parties in Little Havana in Miami.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 04:19 PM (sUwfN)
585
564 At least I can pay off my campaign debts now.
-Jill
_________________
And have a couple million left over for a nice beach house!
-Jill
_________________
And have a couple million left over for a nice beach house!
Posted by: Jill Stein, Scam Artist at November 28, 2016 04:19 PM (rgZEV)
586
I'm still pissed about the French and Indian War. I mean, the French I get, but are we talking casino or call center and was the issue slugs in the slots or phone rates?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
--------------
I'm thinking of re-igniting the Whiskey Rebellion.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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I'm thinking of re-igniting the Whiskey Rebellion.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 28, 2016 04:19 PM (7H/2n)
587
We are still in Germany and Japan because it's strategically located
Yes, clearly the middle east is not strategic in any manner.
Yes, clearly the middle east is not strategic in any manner.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:20 PM (39g3+)
588
Trump seems to want a less interventionist but when we get involved, its going to be hard and heavy. This seems to be similar to a Romney approach, if my memory of the 2012 election is correct.
At the end of the day, Trump is going to dictate the foreign policy.
I remember Trump laying out why he switched over, friends of his had a troubled pregnancy and made him think about his position when the child was born and watched him grow up.
Best answer? Who knows but it shows a pivot point which was more than what I got from Romney.
At the end of the day, Trump is going to dictate the foreign policy.
I remember Trump laying out why he switched over, friends of his had a troubled pregnancy and made him think about his position when the child was born and watched him grow up.
Best answer? Who knows but it shows a pivot point which was more than what I got from Romney.
Posted by: Blanco at November 28, 2016 04:20 PM (tGBt6)
589
Not interested in my grandkids policing the Middle East to keep the peace.
We are still in Germany and Japan because it's strategically located, we're not running armed patrols through the country with soldiers to shut down insurgencies.
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You don't think the Middle East is strategically located? The idea was you fight it once, establish a presence and hopefully never fight it again.
Do you really think we will never fight in the middle east again? Heck we are fighting right now.
I'm not interested in 100 year fight either. Which is why I wanted us to maintain our presence so we wouldn't have to go back there every generation to fight another war - which is what I predict will happen.
We are still in Germany and Japan because it's strategically located, we're not running armed patrols through the country with soldiers to shut down insurgencies.
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You don't think the Middle East is strategically located? The idea was you fight it once, establish a presence and hopefully never fight it again.
Do you really think we will never fight in the middle east again? Heck we are fighting right now.
I'm not interested in 100 year fight either. Which is why I wanted us to maintain our presence so we wouldn't have to go back there every generation to fight another war - which is what I predict will happen.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:20 PM (gmeXX)
590
>>I simply want to know where Huma and Weiner are.
I'd like to know when Huma will be prosecuted for what was on her personal, shared-with-hubby laptop. WTF?
I'd like to know when Huma will be prosecuted for what was on her personal, shared-with-hubby laptop. WTF?
Posted by: Lizzy at November 28, 2016 04:20 PM (NOIQH)
591
I didn't have a problem going into a war with Iraq. We had something along the nature of a cease-fire agreement with them at the close of Desert Storm. They violated that agreement big time. Our best guess was that the had chemical and biological weapons that were major threats to the region. They took perverse pleasure in torturing any and all who came withing their scope. I have no problem with going into Iraq. Desert Storm should have ended them and it didn't. That was the problem right there.
I didn't either. But we should have simply picked some colonel, told him he was in charge now, and don't screw with us.
Nation building is a losing proposition. You either kick butt and leave, or you turn them into a colony.
I didn't either. But we should have simply picked some colonel, told him he was in charge now, and don't screw with us.
Nation building is a losing proposition. You either kick butt and leave, or you turn them into a colony.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at November 28, 2016 04:20 PM (J70i0)
592
"That's pretty Trumpian. Even more Trumpian? Extracting the public apology from Romney and then humiliating him by offering the job to someone else."
my money is on this one
Although, I suspect Romney may sense this as well and withdraw his name shortly in order to save himself the humiliation
my money is on this one
Although, I suspect Romney may sense this as well and withdraw his name shortly in order to save himself the humiliation
Posted by: ed gibbon at November 28, 2016 04:20 PM (RG0qn)
593
I'm still pissed about the French and Indian War. I mean, the French I get, but are we talking casino or call center and was the issue slugs in the slots or phone rates?
You joke, but it was France, England, and a bunch of different Indian tribes, some on one side and others on the other. Kind of a complicated mess, allies-wise IIRC.
You joke, but it was France, England, and a bunch of different Indian tribes, some on one side and others on the other. Kind of a complicated mess, allies-wise IIRC.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 28, 2016 04:20 PM (u0s1P)
594
If I were writing this as fiction, I would call this a long con to reduce the press' credibility even further.
He floods the zone with contradictory stories, then does whatever he damn well pleases, ignoring the dust storm the media kicks up.
I suspect Obama did the same thing with the birther nonsense. He realized that while everyone was chasing their tails, he could do what he wants, sure that they're not looking.
He floods the zone with contradictory stories, then does whatever he damn well pleases, ignoring the dust storm the media kicks up.
I suspect Obama did the same thing with the birther nonsense. He realized that while everyone was chasing their tails, he could do what he wants, sure that they're not looking.
Posted by: Uma Thurmond's Feet at November 28, 2016 04:20 PM (+nOk1)
595
"People Are Already Terrified About How Donald Trump Will React To Ohio State"
Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at November 28, 2016 03:32 PM (/D5Lf)
Also porcelain dolls, mall Santas, their own shadows.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 28, 2016 04:18 PM (wB8Tg)
Porcelain dolls are scary as hell.
Posted by: Insomniac
And clowns.
Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at November 28, 2016 03:32 PM (/D5Lf)
Also porcelain dolls, mall Santas, their own shadows.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 28, 2016 04:18 PM (wB8Tg)
Porcelain dolls are scary as hell.
Posted by: Insomniac
And clowns.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 04:20 PM (sUwfN)
596
CNBC has been running all day it's Cuba Remember Castro segments. Everyone is so sadz over the death of great Fidel.
==========================
Fidel tried to start a nuclear war between Russia and the U.S. He tried so hard the Russians finally had to slap him down.
Anyone who speaks even equivocally about Castro is disgusting, much less positively. Those people should be tied down at a Nuclear Test Site and learn why it's a bad idea first hand.
==========================
Fidel tried to start a nuclear war between Russia and the U.S. He tried so hard the Russians finally had to slap him down.
Anyone who speaks even equivocally about Castro is disgusting, much less positively. Those people should be tied down at a Nuclear Test Site and learn why it's a bad idea first hand.
Posted by: MTF at November 28, 2016 04:21 PM (sCBEO)
597
She probably has raised more money now than during the entire campaign. Of course getting direct deposits from the Beast helps.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (493sH)
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Its' true. Stein has actually "raised" more money for the recount that she did for her campaign. I am defining "raised" very loosely.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (493sH)
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Its' true. Stein has actually "raised" more money for the recount that she did for her campaign. I am defining "raised" very loosely.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 28, 2016 04:21 PM (dFi94)
598
"We have a whopping 24 M1's and 30 Bradley's in Europe."
To give a sense of just what American armor units are up against: the newest generation of Russian rocket artillery completely destroyed two Ukrainian mechanized battalions in three minutes flat. Thermobarics and Ivan's nasty version of DPICM.
This isn't the hapless Boris Yeltsin-era Russian military any longer.
To give a sense of just what American armor units are up against: the newest generation of Russian rocket artillery completely destroyed two Ukrainian mechanized battalions in three minutes flat. Thermobarics and Ivan's nasty version of DPICM.
This isn't the hapless Boris Yeltsin-era Russian military any longer.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 28, 2016 04:21 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: chuckie at November 28, 2016 04:21 PM (xVRrG)
600
"A recount in PA is a great idea....we'll start in Philadelphia....Hello? Still there?"
Posted by: Blue Hen at November 28, 2016 04:21 PM (326rv)
601
At press conference Kasich bleeting on about his own personal experience attending OSU.
...........
with his pursed lips of concern no doubt
...........
with his pursed lips of concern no doubt
Posted by: wth at November 28, 2016 04:21 PM (HgMAr)
602
And the man himself tweets that he just met with Petraus and was very impressed ... sometimes I just gotta laugh, he knows how to stir up media frenzy and shit like no one else I've known.
Posted by: IC at November 28, 2016 04:22 PM (a0IVu)
603
I love that whole personal insult ban thing, or would if it existed.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 28, 2016 04:22 PM (wB8Tg)
604
Flashback George Soros Financed Hillary Clintons Recount Lawyer Marc Elias
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (y3aQB)
Dear Mr. Soros:
I am the daughter of a former high ranking official in the American government. Before leaving office my parent transferred funds of the regime to an undisclosed foundation. These funds would be used for bad purposes by the usurper. Please send me your account information that I may transfer these funds to a safe unretrievable harbor.
Yours,
Princess Chelsea of Chappaqua
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (y3aQB)
Dear Mr. Soros:
I am the daughter of a former high ranking official in the American government. Before leaving office my parent transferred funds of the regime to an undisclosed foundation. These funds would be used for bad purposes by the usurper. Please send me your account information that I may transfer these funds to a safe unretrievable harbor.
Yours,
Princess Chelsea of Chappaqua
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Days of Rage and Tears Black Friday Sale at The Outrage Outlet! at November 28, 2016 04:22 PM (hLRSq)
605
Bush should have taken a page from MacArthur's book but nooo that was too stern it wasn't the eWay.
Yeah I agree, but back then you could do stuff without the press screaming about it for the rest of the year. Two days of humiliating one guy in a prison turned into the headlines for several months, for crying out loud.
Yeah I agree, but back then you could do stuff without the press screaming about it for the rest of the year. Two days of humiliating one guy in a prison turned into the headlines for several months, for crying out loud.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:22 PM (39g3+)
606
Fear is up 163% since the election, according to our latest polls.
Posted by: TotallyNotFakePolls at November 28, 2016 04:22 PM (gs8be)
607
What happened today in Ohio is because we elected that racist Trump. Trump lied and our Presdent of Color should do something about him and his hateful banter...
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at November 28, 2016 04:22 PM (Fbj4h)
608
>> We still have soldiers in Germany and Japan. You do
>> realize that, right?
But the Japanese and the Germans (well, mostly, never mind Okinawa) are not shooting at our troops there.
Because we stomped them flat first.
We could have (possibly) done this with Iraq. But it would have required twice the force level Bush 43 and Rumsfeld sent in, as an occupation force.
Our post-Cold War military would have had a hard time coming up with those numbers, so Rumsfeld cheaped out, and Bush - lacking the experience and background of his father, who overruled his military on the first Gulf War - let him get away with it.
>> realize that, right?
But the Japanese and the Germans (well, mostly, never mind Okinawa) are not shooting at our troops there.
Because we stomped them flat first.
We could have (possibly) done this with Iraq. But it would have required twice the force level Bush 43 and Rumsfeld sent in, as an occupation force.
Our post-Cold War military would have had a hard time coming up with those numbers, so Rumsfeld cheaped out, and Bush - lacking the experience and background of his father, who overruled his military on the first Gulf War - let him get away with it.
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 04:22 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at November 28, 2016 04:22 PM (u0lmX)
610
We still have soldiers in Germany and Japan. You do realize that, right?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (39g3+)
Remind me how many soldiers have been killed by the German and Japanese locals the past 70 years.
We still have soldiers in Germany and Japan. You do realize that, right?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (39g3+)
Remind me how many soldiers have been killed by the German and Japanese locals the past 70 years.
Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at November 28, 2016 04:23 PM (ln/To)
611
I'm still trying to decide whether or not Kellyanne is hittable or not? I
dig the consistently plunging neckline, but sometimes she has that used
to be hot bony chain smoker at the end of the bar look to her.
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Four kids. So, her hubby thought so.
dig the consistently plunging neckline, but sometimes she has that used
to be hot bony chain smoker at the end of the bar look to her.
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Four kids. So, her hubby thought so.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 28, 2016 04:23 PM (7H/2n)
612
This isn't the hapless Boris Yeltsin-era Russian military any longer.
Back when Yeltsin was in charge we were assured that the Russian military was our equal if not superior in every way.
Back when Yeltsin was in charge we were assured that the Russian military was our equal if not superior in every way.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:23 PM (39g3+)
613
Kasich showed up because he heard he'd get a free spaghetti dinner.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 28, 2016 04:23 PM (4ErVI)
614
Yo!
Posted by: Yo! at November 28, 2016 04:23 PM (GwIKd)
615
Can we put Krugman, Tom Friedman, and Philip Bump in a lifeboat with five gallons of water and one oar somewhere in the middle of the Pacific and see who makes it?
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 04:06 PM (TppKb)
Yes, please.
I've actually read a book like this, called The Raft, wherein three Navy flyers in early 1942 crash-land in the South Pacific and spend 34 days drifting thousands of miles before being rescued.
Pretty good read:
http://tinyurl.com/The-Raft-by-Robt-Trumbull
They didn't eat each other, fortunately, and prayer, though only one was very religious, got them through the harrowing ordeal. I believe this book was also made into a movie:
http://tinyurl.com/Against-the-Sun-Trailer
That nobody saw, unfortunately.
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 04:06 PM (TppKb)
Yes, please.
I've actually read a book like this, called The Raft, wherein three Navy flyers in early 1942 crash-land in the South Pacific and spend 34 days drifting thousands of miles before being rescued.
Pretty good read:
http://tinyurl.com/The-Raft-by-Robt-Trumbull
They didn't eat each other, fortunately, and prayer, though only one was very religious, got them through the harrowing ordeal. I believe this book was also made into a movie:
http://tinyurl.com/Against-the-Sun-Trailer
That nobody saw, unfortunately.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2016 04:23 PM (CS7jF)
616
"Nation building is a losing proposition."
Let's recall that George W. Bush, as a candidate, specifically abjured the idea of "nation-building", and said there would be none of that on his watch as President.
A promise which was as durable as his father Poppy's staunch pledge never to raise taxes.
Meanwhile, the GOP establishment *still* can't figure out how this arriviste Trump won. What was wrong with good old Jeb?
Let's recall that George W. Bush, as a candidate, specifically abjured the idea of "nation-building", and said there would be none of that on his watch as President.
A promise which was as durable as his father Poppy's staunch pledge never to raise taxes.
Meanwhile, the GOP establishment *still* can't figure out how this arriviste Trump won. What was wrong with good old Jeb?
Posted by: torquewrench at November 28, 2016 04:24 PM (noWW6)
617
"People Are Already Terrified About How Donald Trump Will React To Ohio State"
TRUMP WILL PUT US ALL IN THE CAMPS!!!
TRUMP WILL PUT US ALL IN THE CAMPS!!!
Posted by: The Hysterical Sally Kohn at November 28, 2016 04:24 PM (qJhUV)
618
Poor NeoCons don't understand the world.
We were NOT founded as a national police force to keep the peace.
Maybe one of the Bush children will someday make it back to the White House and we can find another dumb Middle East war.
The only nation building should be taking place in OUR nation.
We were NOT founded as a national police force to keep the peace.
Maybe one of the Bush children will someday make it back to the White House and we can find another dumb Middle East war.
The only nation building should be taking place in OUR nation.
Posted by: Capo at November 28, 2016 04:24 PM (nq/J2)
619
613
Kasich showed up because he heard he'd get a free spaghetti dinner.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 28, 2016 04:23 PM (4ErVI)
And pizza. Did ya see how he ate that pizza????
Kasich showed up because he heard he'd get a free spaghetti dinner.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 28, 2016 04:23 PM (4ErVI)
And pizza. Did ya see how he ate that pizza????
Posted by: IC at November 28, 2016 04:24 PM (a0IVu)
620
Kasich showed up because he thought the game was today.
Posted by: simplemind at November 28, 2016 04:24 PM (C6xeQ)
621
Way late tothis party but heard on radio a relative of Kelly Ann said he thought she wouldn't have said thst about Mittens if it wasn't from higher up ( Trump)
Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2016 04:25 PM (5sOEp)
622
I once stabbed a pizza with a fork.
Posted by: John Kasich at November 28, 2016 04:25 PM (gs8be)
623
Why not? We've been in Korea for 60 years?
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:15 PM (gmeXX)
Because we can't afford it?
Its like why do we still have troops in Germany?
To protect them from the rest of the EU?
That would be like NATO stationing troops in Colorado, to protect them from Mexico?
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:15 PM (gmeXX)
Because we can't afford it?
Its like why do we still have troops in Germany?
To protect them from the rest of the EU?
That would be like NATO stationing troops in Colorado, to protect them from Mexico?
Posted by: Don Q. at November 28, 2016 04:25 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: Intrade Guy at November 28, 2016 04:25 PM (pyZce)
625
We were NOT founded as a national police force to keep the peace.
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And yet our military has been doing that for 75 years - 100 in some spots. The British did it before us for 200 more.
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And yet our military has been doing that for 75 years - 100 in some spots. The British did it before us for 200 more.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:25 PM (gmeXX)
626
Remind me how many soldiers have been killed by the German and Japanese locals the past 70 years.
Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at November 28, 2016 04:23 PM (ln/To)
Indirectly, through VD caught in cat houses and geishas?
Probably tens of tens.
A veritable massacre, as it were.
Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at November 28, 2016 04:23 PM (ln/To)
Indirectly, through VD caught in cat houses and geishas?
Probably tens of tens.
A veritable massacre, as it were.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2016 04:25 PM (CS7jF)
627
"But the Japanese and the Germans (well, mostly, never mind Okinawa) are not shooting at our troops there. Because we stomped them flat first."
Urban firestorms from indiscriminate mass bombing that kill millions of civilians are bona fide "Shock and Awe".
Urban firestorms from indiscriminate mass bombing that kill millions of civilians are bona fide "Shock and Awe".
Posted by: torquewrench at November 28, 2016 04:26 PM (noWW6)
628
She probably has raised more money now than during the entire campaign. Of course getting direct deposits from the Beast helps.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (493sH)
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Its' true. Stein has actually "raised" more money for the recount that she did for her campaign. I am defining "raised" very loosely.
That's because the FEC rules didn't apply.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (493sH)
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Its' true. Stein has actually "raised" more money for the recount that she did for her campaign. I am defining "raised" very loosely.
That's because the FEC rules didn't apply.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 04:26 PM (sUwfN)
629
600 "A recount in PA is a great idea....we'll start in Philadelphia....Hello? Still there?"
Posted by: Blue Hen at November 28, 2016 04:21 PM (326rv)
ZING!
Posted by: Blue Hen at November 28, 2016 04:21 PM (326rv)
ZING!
Posted by: ed gibbon at November 28, 2016 04:26 PM (RG0qn)
630
You joke, but it was France, England, and a bunch of different Indian tribes, some on one side and others on the other. Kind of a complicated mess, allies-wise IIRC.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 28, 2016 04:20 PM (u0s1P)
Liz Warren: My people foughtum pale faces for many moons. But heap much fire water confused us as to which side we were on at times. Ugh
Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 28, 2016 04:20 PM (u0s1P)
Liz Warren: My people foughtum pale faces for many moons. But heap much fire water confused us as to which side we were on at times. Ugh
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2016 04:26 PM (493sH)
631
Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2016 04:25 PM (5sOEp)
It's Joe Blow's Voices In his head AKA GOPe
It's Joe Blow's Voices In his head AKA GOPe
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 04:26 PM (y3aQB)
632
I once stabbed a pizza with a fork.
Posted by: John Kasich
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I stabbed a taco in Reno, just to watch it die.
Posted by: John Kasich
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I stabbed a taco in Reno, just to watch it die.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 28, 2016 04:26 PM (NBHj5)
633
"Daily Mail has pics of her in a bathing suit, if that helps."
Thanks. Not bad at all. Her husband needs to get a mansierre from Kramer.
Thanks. Not bad at all. Her husband needs to get a mansierre from Kramer.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 28, 2016 04:27 PM (OD2ni)
634
Germany and Japan are civilized first world countries that understand and think like rational people.
In contrast, the M/E way of life is barely is above what we call primitive camping.
In contrast, the M/E way of life is barely is above what we call primitive camping.
Posted by: IP at November 28, 2016 04:27 PM (4eC8W)
635
Crap. 'Tremors' is coming on on TCM.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 28, 2016 04:27 PM (9mTYi)
636
>> I have no problem with going into Iraq.
There's a reasonable case for going into Iraq. But not on the whiny hand-wringing basis Bush 43 did, and I said this at the time.
We had casus belli with their shooting at our Northern Watch/Southern Watch patrols, their violations of the first Gulf War cease-fire. The WMD nonsense was a distraction and in the end harmful to the case.
The problem is that the force we sent was half the size of what Bush 41 sent to Kuwait, and while that was large enough to clean up Saddam's military it wasn't nearly large enough to occupy the country.
There's a reasonable case for going into Iraq. But not on the whiny hand-wringing basis Bush 43 did, and I said this at the time.
We had casus belli with their shooting at our Northern Watch/Southern Watch patrols, their violations of the first Gulf War cease-fire. The WMD nonsense was a distraction and in the end harmful to the case.
The problem is that the force we sent was half the size of what Bush 41 sent to Kuwait, and while that was large enough to clean up Saddam's military it wasn't nearly large enough to occupy the country.
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 04:27 PM (TppKb)
637
I don't have too much of a problem being perceived as The World's Policeman. For 8 years, there has been no policeman and look where we are. Sometimes kids just need to realize that at the end of the day, Daddy's coming home from work.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 28, 2016 04:27 PM (dFi94)
638
Remind me how many soldiers have been killed by the German and Japanese locals the past 70 years.
Since WW2? Thousands. Car accidents, murders, etc. 14 dead in just the year after Japan surrendered from actual attacks by zealots.
Still irrelevant. The opposition to any occupation of Iraq for long periods is not based on some lack of precedent or unimaginable situation but the location. Its a strategic hot spot, it would have been very valuable world wide to have another prosperous democracy in the region, etc.
People just bought into the treacherous lie the left spread that it was a huge evil mistake.
Since WW2? Thousands. Car accidents, murders, etc. 14 dead in just the year after Japan surrendered from actual attacks by zealots.
Still irrelevant. The opposition to any occupation of Iraq for long periods is not based on some lack of precedent or unimaginable situation but the location. Its a strategic hot spot, it would have been very valuable world wide to have another prosperous democracy in the region, etc.
People just bought into the treacherous lie the left spread that it was a huge evil mistake.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:28 PM (39g3+)
639
Porcelain dolls are scary as hell.
Posted by: Insomniac
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Those things creep me out!
Porcelain dolls are scary as hell.
Posted by: Insomniac
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Those things creep me out!
Posted by: the doll from "Magic" - #FreeCthulhu at November 28, 2016 04:28 PM (h4LRT)
640
Even more Trumpian? Extracting the public apology from Romney and then humiliating him by offering the job to someone else.
This is what I'm hoping for.
This is what I'm hoping for.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at November 28, 2016 04:28 PM (WlGX+)
641
629 600 "A recount in PA is a great idea....we'll start in Philadelphia....Hello? Still there?"
Posted by: Blue Hen at November 28, 2016 04:21 PM (326rv)
Part II
What Hillary might say channeling The Sting when discussing the PA recount
What was I supposed to do? Call him for cheating better than me?
Posted by: Blue Hen at November 28, 2016 04:21 PM (326rv)
Part II
What Hillary might say channeling The Sting when discussing the PA recount
What was I supposed to do? Call him for cheating better than me?
Posted by: ed gibbon at November 28, 2016 04:28 PM (QfJJp)
642
I'm not interested in 100 year fight either. Which is why I wanted us to maintain our presence so we wouldn't have to go back there every generation to fight another war - which is what I predict will happen.
Posted by: SH
You're completely ignoring that there's very different cultures in play.
What worked in WWII does not mean it would work for Islamic terrorism.
And much of the "staying" in these countries decades later had ZERO to do with making sure the Axis powers would not rise again, it was for the Cold War.
Unless you want to make the case that we are still in Germany because we are afraid of the Third Reich rising again.
Posted by: SH
You're completely ignoring that there's very different cultures in play.
What worked in WWII does not mean it would work for Islamic terrorism.
And much of the "staying" in these countries decades later had ZERO to do with making sure the Axis powers would not rise again, it was for the Cold War.
Unless you want to make the case that we are still in Germany because we are afraid of the Third Reich rising again.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 04:29 PM (KsYpa)
643
They didn't eat each other, fortunately, and prayer, though only one was very religious, got them through the harrowing ordeal. I believe this book was also made into a movie:
http://tinyurl.com/Against-the-Sun-Trailer
That nobody saw, unfortunately.
Saw it.
http://tinyurl.com/Against-the-Sun-Trailer
That nobody saw, unfortunately.
Saw it.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 04:29 PM (sUwfN)
644
>>>And pizza. Did ya see how he ate that pizza????
Posted by: IC at November 28, 2016 04:24 PM (a0IVu)
Was it one with extra molestation topping? Or plain topping?
Posted by: IC at November 28, 2016 04:24 PM (a0IVu)
Was it one with extra molestation topping? Or plain topping?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at November 28, 2016 04:30 PM (/Gi86)
645
550 If you look at in this respect all of their movements over the last few years make perfect sense. Iran, Syria, Ukraine, Turkey, it's all being done for a reason and it is most definitely not in our or the greater West's interest.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:25 PM (/tuJf)
Jack we can't protect any of the countries on Russia's doorstep. RAND just issued a report on it. We have a whopping 24 M1's and 30 Bradley's in Europe. Tanks and AFVs, not companies or brigades. They can't even get those to the front in 10 days. So we can pointlessly rattle sabers and look stupid or we can try something productive.
Two, Syria has always been a client of Russia's.
Three, Turkey and Russia will never be longterm allies.
Four, the NeoCons blew up the Middle East and create the power vacuum. The Russians aren't going to find it any easier now.
Five, we need the Russians to help with China.
Six, Europe wouldn't be beholden to the Russkies if they weren't busy dismantling their nuclear power plants.
Give me something other than Putin is evil and must be stopped at all costs. Because while Putin isn't nice, he's not evil incarnate.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at November 28, 2016 04:15 PM (J70i0)
Oh and we can finally say Fuck you Saudi Arabia and leave the camel fuckers to fight it out in their sand box instead of helping to create, find, arm, and train groups like ISIS and the KLA and.... yes even what eventually morphed into Al Qaeda leftover from the Russia/Afgan war.
That playing experiment of playing goat fucker against camel fucker has failed. It is frightening that leaders cannot admit this and insist on the same failed policy.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 03:25 PM (/tuJf)
Jack we can't protect any of the countries on Russia's doorstep. RAND just issued a report on it. We have a whopping 24 M1's and 30 Bradley's in Europe. Tanks and AFVs, not companies or brigades. They can't even get those to the front in 10 days. So we can pointlessly rattle sabers and look stupid or we can try something productive.
Two, Syria has always been a client of Russia's.
Three, Turkey and Russia will never be longterm allies.
Four, the NeoCons blew up the Middle East and create the power vacuum. The Russians aren't going to find it any easier now.
Five, we need the Russians to help with China.
Six, Europe wouldn't be beholden to the Russkies if they weren't busy dismantling their nuclear power plants.
Give me something other than Putin is evil and must be stopped at all costs. Because while Putin isn't nice, he's not evil incarnate.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at November 28, 2016 04:15 PM (J70i0)
Oh and we can finally say Fuck you Saudi Arabia and leave the camel fuckers to fight it out in their sand box instead of helping to create, find, arm, and train groups like ISIS and the KLA and.... yes even what eventually morphed into Al Qaeda leftover from the Russia/Afgan war.
That playing experiment of playing goat fucker against camel fucker has failed. It is frightening that leaders cannot admit this and insist on the same failed policy.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 28, 2016 04:30 PM (t82DG)
646
Urban firestorms from indiscriminate mass bombing that kill millions of civilians are bona fide "Shock and Awe".
Yeah after years of total war destroying their populations and horrifying the public, they weren't so much interested in war any longer. Iraq was so fast and surgical most people were largely unaffected.
Yeah after years of total war destroying their populations and horrifying the public, they weren't so much interested in war any longer. Iraq was so fast and surgical most people were largely unaffected.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:30 PM (39g3+)
647
Knowing that our country would not be willing to stay there after 2008 - no I wouldn't do it again. But as of 2008, I thought it was the right decision. All we needed to do was stay - like we stayed in Germany, Japan, Korea.
Mark my word, we will be back there someday.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:12 PM (gmeXX)
Germany and Japan were countries with extensive histories of having stable governments. It didn't take us to rebuild them. We were just there to make sure the previous rulers didn't show up again.
We didn't invade South Korea. We protected them. And they had a pseudo dictatorship for several decades base on our protection. Again though, the Koreans have had a history of having a government.
For some reason, hubris lead the neocons to think they could create a Jeffersonian democracy our of a multi-ethnic people that hated each other and only existed due to an authoritarian government.
Apples to Oranges comparison.
Mark my word, we will be back there someday.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:12 PM (gmeXX)
Germany and Japan were countries with extensive histories of having stable governments. It didn't take us to rebuild them. We were just there to make sure the previous rulers didn't show up again.
We didn't invade South Korea. We protected them. And they had a pseudo dictatorship for several decades base on our protection. Again though, the Koreans have had a history of having a government.
For some reason, hubris lead the neocons to think they could create a Jeffersonian democracy our of a multi-ethnic people that hated each other and only existed due to an authoritarian government.
Apples to Oranges comparison.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at November 28, 2016 04:30 PM (J70i0)
648
>>What Hillary might say channeling Sting when discussing the PA recount
' I never made promises lightly
And there have been some that I've broken
But I swear in the days still left
We'll walk in fields of gold'
' I never made promises lightly
And there have been some that I've broken
But I swear in the days still left
We'll walk in fields of gold'
Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2016 04:30 PM (pyZce)
649
We still have soldiers in Germany and Japan. You do realize that, right?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (39g3+)
AT SOME POINT, a nation gets overextended, relative to its economic clout. We are past that already....
557 We aren't the superpower we were in 1945.
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What do you mean by that? We are arguably stronger.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:16 PM (gmeXX)
Keep on whistling past the national debt graveyard! Power is relative.
Sorry, but we need to refortify at home.
Even if it is right to nation build some more, we just can't. Biting off more than we can chew and all that.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:17 PM (39g3+)
AT SOME POINT, a nation gets overextended, relative to its economic clout. We are past that already....
557 We aren't the superpower we were in 1945.
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What do you mean by that? We are arguably stronger.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:16 PM (gmeXX)
Keep on whistling past the national debt graveyard! Power is relative.
Sorry, but we need to refortify at home.
Even if it is right to nation build some more, we just can't. Biting off more than we can chew and all that.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 28, 2016 04:31 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 04:31 PM (kjbSf)
651
You're completely ignoring that there's very different cultures in play.
What worked in WWII does not mean it would work for Islamic terrorism.
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Germany and Japan were two very different cultures. Obviously things are different than WWII, but WWII / Korea provide guides for us.
What worked in WWII does not mean it would work for Islamic terrorism.
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Germany and Japan were two very different cultures. Obviously things are different than WWII, but WWII / Korea provide guides for us.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:31 PM (gmeXX)
652
Unless you want to make the case that we are still in Germany because we are afraid of the Third Reich rising again.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 04:29 PM (KsYpa)
Hundreds of Hollywood scripts over the last 70 years: Don't knock our original ideas, okay?
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 04:29 PM (KsYpa)
Hundreds of Hollywood scripts over the last 70 years: Don't knock our original ideas, okay?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2016 04:32 PM (493sH)
Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2016 04:32 PM (pyZce)
654
The two men taken out in handcuffs were found hunkered down in their car. They were acting out if an abundance of caution, they let them go almost immediately.
I think if he had chosen a smaller school it would have turned out differently. OSU has 60,000 students and the police force is huge and well trained. A smaller school wouldn't necessarily have been as well trained or well staffed.
I think if he had chosen a smaller school it would have turned out differently. OSU has 60,000 students and the police force is huge and well trained. A smaller school wouldn't necessarily have been as well trained or well staffed.
Posted by: Abby at November 28, 2016 04:32 PM (HBU7W)
655
'Tremors' is coming on on TCM.
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In my view, the finest man eating worms from outer space film ever made.
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In my view, the finest man eating worms from outer space film ever made.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 28, 2016 04:32 PM (Nwg0u)
656
All I know is that we squandered blood, sweat, tears, treasure and life in Iraq and Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia. I have no use for useless wars. We die and are injured, waste lives and families for no gain. Either fight and win or do not bother. I'm tired of all the broken or wounded vets that are used and then forgotten. DAMN.
Posted by: USNtakim at November 28, 2016 04:33 PM (hMqvx)
657
Give me something other than Putin is evil and must >>be stopped at all costs. Because while Putin isn't nice, he's not evil incarnate.
It all depends on your definition of evil.
Do you consider arming and giving money to terror supporting states who have sworn to wipe Israel off the face of the earth and do similar things to the US? I do.
Do you consider an expansionist country that is gobbling up territory that belongs to sovereign countries we consider friends? I do.
Do you consider consider a country that is both overtly and covertly acting to thwart our national interests evil? I do.
I frankly don't care what Rand reports or others say about our current capabilities. It's irrelevant. What is relevant is understanding that Russia, not China, poses a much more immediate threat because they are doing it as we speak.
We absolutely need to rebuild our capability, have for years in many theaters. Remember Obama taunting Romney about the need for more ships in our Navy 4 years ago? Things haven't gotten any better.
And nobody is saying we don't need to watch China, their weapons build up, their move to establish alliances with countries who have historically been aligned with us or China's very aggressive moves in the South China Seas. These are real threats.
I'm just saying it's time we awoke from our long Obama sleep and realize we are at war with Russia, asymmetrically and often non-combat but a war nonetheless.
We can continue to ignore it but it will bite us in the end. Always has, always will until we decide we don't like being the leader for the free world anymore.
It all depends on your definition of evil.
Do you consider arming and giving money to terror supporting states who have sworn to wipe Israel off the face of the earth and do similar things to the US? I do.
Do you consider an expansionist country that is gobbling up territory that belongs to sovereign countries we consider friends? I do.
Do you consider consider a country that is both overtly and covertly acting to thwart our national interests evil? I do.
I frankly don't care what Rand reports or others say about our current capabilities. It's irrelevant. What is relevant is understanding that Russia, not China, poses a much more immediate threat because they are doing it as we speak.
We absolutely need to rebuild our capability, have for years in many theaters. Remember Obama taunting Romney about the need for more ships in our Navy 4 years ago? Things haven't gotten any better.
And nobody is saying we don't need to watch China, their weapons build up, their move to establish alliances with countries who have historically been aligned with us or China's very aggressive moves in the South China Seas. These are real threats.
I'm just saying it's time we awoke from our long Obama sleep and realize we are at war with Russia, asymmetrically and often non-combat but a war nonetheless.
We can continue to ignore it but it will bite us in the end. Always has, always will until we decide we don't like being the leader for the free world anymore.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 04:33 PM (/tuJf)
658
What the Middle East needs more than soldiers, is missionaries. I am 100% serious about this.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 28, 2016 04:33 PM (dFi94)
659
I thnk the nature of the attack -- one skinny guy with a knife -- made it easier for a quick and effective response. A few guys with firearms and bombs and we have a different problem that probably would still be ongoing.
The best part about jihadis is that they are pretty much idiots and losers.
The best part about jihadis is that they are pretty much idiots and losers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:33 PM (39g3+)
660
All this talk about occupying and nation building the ME got be to thinking...
hasn't Trump mentioned nukes as being on the table as a response option? A couple of mushroom clouds could give the "occupying" force a little room to breathe while the nation was being built.
hasn't Trump mentioned nukes as being on the table as a response option? A couple of mushroom clouds could give the "occupying" force a little room to breathe while the nation was being built.
Posted by: ajmojo at November 28, 2016 04:34 PM (1H9ox)
661
Keep on whistling past the national debt graveyard! Power is relative.
Sorry, but we need to refortify at home.
Even if it is right to nation build some more, we just can't. Biting off more than we can chew and all that.
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First, if its relative to other countries, we are in good shape.
Second, I'm not advocating we nation build anymore. I have learned my lesson - this country does not want to do it. In the long run, it will cost us more. But the country made that decision.
Sorry, but we need to refortify at home.
Even if it is right to nation build some more, we just can't. Biting off more than we can chew and all that.
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First, if its relative to other countries, we are in good shape.
Second, I'm not advocating we nation build anymore. I have learned my lesson - this country does not want to do it. In the long run, it will cost us more. But the country made that decision.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:34 PM (gmeXX)
662
>>What the Middle East needs more than soldiers, is missionaries. I am 100% serious about this.
With Swords and Horses. The Higher the better.
With Swords and Horses. The Higher the better.
Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2016 04:34 PM (pyZce)
663
If we're that invested in "our interests in Europe", shouldn't we be working to eliminate the actual threats to those interests--specifically, the Eurocrats in Brussels and the rogue regime in Berlin?
Because brothers and sisters of the Horde, Europe doesn't have a single problem they didn't cause and aren't continuing to make worse.
And America should be dead tired after a century of saving Europe from itself.
Because brothers and sisters of the Horde, Europe doesn't have a single problem they didn't cause and aren't continuing to make worse.
And America should be dead tired after a century of saving Europe from itself.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at November 28, 2016 04:34 PM (9krrF)
664
Another Moslem refugee has hurt and tried to murder some Americans and I'm the racist for pointing that out
Posted by: Yo! at November 28, 2016 04:34 PM (GwIKd)
665
>>>>Did the Gainzz post get aids?
Thanksgiving gainzz not the same as other weeks' gainzz IYKWIMAITYD?
Thanksgiving gainzz not the same as other weeks' gainzz IYKWIMAITYD?
Posted by: Lizzy at November 28, 2016 04:34 PM (NOIQH)
666
Kiko Alonso, after demolishing Colin the K. on the football field, posted the picture on Instagram with #cubalibre. Epic trolling
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at November 28, 2016 04:35 PM (dQJCS)
667
"For some reason, hubris lead the neocons to think they could create a Jeffersonian democracy our of a multi-ethnic people that hated each other and only existed due to an authoritarian government."
And that had the horrible cultural toxin of Islam mixed through that multi-ethnic framework.
The only way that multi-ethnic societies can remain stable for the long haul under Islam is when they are implemented as a Muslim slaving satrapy. See EMPIRE, OTTOMAN.
And that had the horrible cultural toxin of Islam mixed through that multi-ethnic framework.
The only way that multi-ethnic societies can remain stable for the long haul under Islam is when they are implemented as a Muslim slaving satrapy. See EMPIRE, OTTOMAN.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 28, 2016 04:35 PM (noWW6)
668
For some reason, hubris lead the neocons to think they could create a Jeffersonian democracy our of a multi-ethnic people that hated each other and only existed due to an authoritarian government.
Apples to Oranges comparison.
Posted by: WOPR
Hubris and stupidity.
But they'll keep trotting out dumb World War 2 examples.
I guess we should also convert all domestic manufacturing to war production and draft most able bodies males into the military to fight these constant wars since our nation's purpose is to have boots on the ground in every nation and keep the peace.
And don't forget all the war bonds to be sold.
Apples to Oranges comparison.
Posted by: WOPR
Hubris and stupidity.
But they'll keep trotting out dumb World War 2 examples.
I guess we should also convert all domestic manufacturing to war production and draft most able bodies males into the military to fight these constant wars since our nation's purpose is to have boots on the ground in every nation and keep the peace.
And don't forget all the war bonds to be sold.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 04:35 PM (KsYpa)
669
Lazy Europe: The Poles put out for us and have supported us and, like the Kurds, all they ask is that we sell them the weapons we need.
Talk about kicking a friend in the teeth.
Ohio: what happened to the two being led off in handcuffs?
Talk about kicking a friend in the teeth.
Ohio: what happened to the two being led off in handcuffs?
Posted by: gNewt at November 28, 2016 04:35 PM (kHwSu)
670
What the Middle East needs more than soldiers, is missionaries. I am 100% serious about this.
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Grammy - I agree. Easier to do if you have a US presence there to guard over them.
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Grammy - I agree. Easier to do if you have a US presence there to guard over them.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:35 PM (gmeXX)
671
romney is gonna set himself to run for potus in 2020 if he joins trump's administration. simple.
Posted by: runner at November 28, 2016 04:35 PM (c6/9Q)
672
In my view, the finest man eating worms from outer space film ever made.
A claim no one can disagree with.
What the Middle East needs more than soldiers, is missionaries.
We all need the gospel more. Its our only real hope.
A claim no one can disagree with.
What the Middle East needs more than soldiers, is missionaries.
We all need the gospel more. Its our only real hope.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:35 PM (39g3+)
673
638 Remind me how many soldiers have been killed by the German and Japanese locals the past 70 years.
Since WW2? Thousands. Car accidents, murders, etc. 14 dead in just the year after Japan surrendered from actual attacks by zealots.
Still irrelevant. The opposition to any occupation of Iraq for long periods is not based on some lack of precedent or unimaginable situation but the location. Its a strategic hot spot, it would have been very valuable world wide to have another prosperous democracy in the region, etc.
People just bought into the treacherous lie the left spread that it was a huge evil mistake.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:28 PM (39g3
No. People studied Islam and realized they would never adapt a Western Style Democracy. Unless ruled by a Dictator who clamps down on Islamists, then Muslims countries will always and eventually fall under Sharia Law.
Since WW2? Thousands. Car accidents, murders, etc. 14 dead in just the year after Japan surrendered from actual attacks by zealots.
Still irrelevant. The opposition to any occupation of Iraq for long periods is not based on some lack of precedent or unimaginable situation but the location. Its a strategic hot spot, it would have been very valuable world wide to have another prosperous democracy in the region, etc.
People just bought into the treacherous lie the left spread that it was a huge evil mistake.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:28 PM (39g3
No. People studied Islam and realized they would never adapt a Western Style Democracy. Unless ruled by a Dictator who clamps down on Islamists, then Muslims countries will always and eventually fall under Sharia Law.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 28, 2016 04:35 PM (t82DG)
674
What the Middle East needs more than soldiers, is missionaries. I am 100% serious about this.
Posted by: grammie winger
Armed missionaries. But yeah, we're on the same page there.
Posted by: grammie winger
Armed missionaries. But yeah, we're on the same page there.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at November 28, 2016 04:36 PM (9krrF)
675
What the Middle East needs more than soldiers, is missionaries.
Machine Gun Preacher
movie based on true story
Machine Gun Preacher
movie based on true story
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 04:36 PM (kjbSf)
676
>> We aren't the superpower we were in 1945.
We weren't the superpower we were in 1945 by 1950, when our army had been discharged, our navy had been mothballed, the Russkies got the bomb, and the Red Chinese - freshly off the success of booting Chiang out to Taiwan - decided that we meant it when we said Korea didn't matter to us.
The periods of greatest American influence were those when we were building against our major enemies, and not sending our troops to collect every form of clap known in the Third World.
We weren't the superpower we were in 1945 by 1950, when our army had been discharged, our navy had been mothballed, the Russkies got the bomb, and the Red Chinese - freshly off the success of booting Chiang out to Taiwan - decided that we meant it when we said Korea didn't matter to us.
The periods of greatest American influence were those when we were building against our major enemies, and not sending our troops to collect every form of clap known in the Third World.
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 04:36 PM (TppKb)
677
Has Kasich offered Trump a hug yet?
He did give some sound advice to the students and faculty at OSU, "be safe". Indeed.
He did give some sound advice to the students and faculty at OSU, "be safe". Indeed.
Posted by: ed gibbon at November 28, 2016 04:36 PM (RG0qn)
678
We in this part of North America are not at war with Russia. Canada kind of is(in the Arctic) and so is Central Europe. But *we* don't have pressing interests.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at November 28, 2016 04:37 PM (TLbkR)
679
You don't think the Middle East is strategically located? The idea was you fight it once, establish a presence and hopefully never fight it again.
Do you really think we will never fight in the middle east again? Heck we are fighting right now.
I'm not interested in 100 year fight either. Which is why I wanted us to maintain our presence so we wouldn't have to go back there every generation to fight another war - which is what I predict will happen.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:20 PM (gmeXX)
The idea was also, via the Flypaper Strategy, to kill the jihadis over there, rather than let them come over here. It worked, but did cost us a lot of irreplaceable men and women.
Now, of course, we have jihadis over here slaughtering people wholesale. See, for example, Florida gay bar and San Bernardino massacres, among many others.
Do you really think we will never fight in the middle east again? Heck we are fighting right now.
I'm not interested in 100 year fight either. Which is why I wanted us to maintain our presence so we wouldn't have to go back there every generation to fight another war - which is what I predict will happen.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:20 PM (gmeXX)
The idea was also, via the Flypaper Strategy, to kill the jihadis over there, rather than let them come over here. It worked, but did cost us a lot of irreplaceable men and women.
Now, of course, we have jihadis over here slaughtering people wholesale. See, for example, Florida gay bar and San Bernardino massacres, among many others.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2016 04:37 PM (CS7jF)
680
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"What the Middle East needs more than soldiers, is missionaries."
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THIS! We find them much easier to kill.
"What the Middle East needs more than soldiers, is missionaries."
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THIS! We find them much easier to kill.
Posted by: M.E. Jihadis R' Us at November 28, 2016 04:37 PM (pMGkg)
681
In the long run, it will cost us more. But the country made that decision.
Its like fighting war while trying to minimize damage and casualties. Total war prevents later bloodshed.
Its like fighting war while trying to minimize damage and casualties. Total war prevents later bloodshed.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:37 PM (39g3+)
682
explain to me again why the Tora Bora mountains still exist as a geographic feature?
Because even the Communist Chinese are not pissed enough at the Uighurs to want them buried in radioactive granite dust?
Because even the Communist Chinese are not pissed enough at the Uighurs to want them buried in radioactive granite dust?
Posted by: DaveA at November 28, 2016 04:37 PM (8J/Te)
683
164 Scott Brown has said he's interested in heading up the VA, FWIW.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (PY9jH)
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Uh uh.
Tired of these civvies that never spent a day in uniform AND has spent the majority of their career leading troops in combat running the VA. Having some common sense is also a must.
Pretty Boy Brown is not that guy.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 28, 2016 03:18 PM (PY9jH)
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Uh uh.
Tired of these civvies that never spent a day in uniform AND has spent the majority of their career leading troops in combat running the VA. Having some common sense is also a must.
Pretty Boy Brown is not that guy.
Posted by: SMFH - 9-2! at November 28, 2016 04:37 PM (CRotO)
684
All I know is that we squandered blood, sweat, tears, treasure and life in Iraq and Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia.
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All based on our (or my) mistaken belief that the Arab street consisted of huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
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All based on our (or my) mistaken belief that the Arab street consisted of huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 28, 2016 04:37 PM (Nwg0u)
685
616 "Nation building is a losing proposition."
Let's recall that George W. Bush, as a candidate, specifically abjured the idea of "nation-building", and said there would be none of that on his watch as President.
A promise which was as durable as his father Poppy's staunch pledge never to raise taxes.
Meanwhile, the GOP establishment *still* can't figure out how this arriviste Trump won. What was wrong with good old Jeb?
Posted by: torquewrench at November 28, 2016 04:24 PM (noWW6)
There was an event early in GWB's presidency that arguably had an effect on his views towards our role in various Middle Eastern countries.
When it was pointed out during the primaries that Trump had held virtually every view possible on virtually every issue, with a lifelong tilt towards progressivism and only comparatively recent forays into more traditionally 'conservative' stances, a number of people in this space argued that evolving your positions in the face of changing circumstances made him that much more attractive as a candidate and potential president. Apparently it's good when Trump does it but indefensible when anyone else does.
Let's recall that George W. Bush, as a candidate, specifically abjured the idea of "nation-building", and said there would be none of that on his watch as President.
A promise which was as durable as his father Poppy's staunch pledge never to raise taxes.
Meanwhile, the GOP establishment *still* can't figure out how this arriviste Trump won. What was wrong with good old Jeb?
Posted by: torquewrench at November 28, 2016 04:24 PM (noWW6)
There was an event early in GWB's presidency that arguably had an effect on his views towards our role in various Middle Eastern countries.
When it was pointed out during the primaries that Trump had held virtually every view possible on virtually every issue, with a lifelong tilt towards progressivism and only comparatively recent forays into more traditionally 'conservative' stances, a number of people in this space argued that evolving your positions in the face of changing circumstances made him that much more attractive as a candidate and potential president. Apparently it's good when Trump does it but indefensible when anyone else does.
Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at November 28, 2016 04:37 PM (kZVsz)
686
Machine Gun Preacher
movie based on true story
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 04:36 PM (kjbSf)
Loved that movie. He was an asshole, but he got saved, and did some saving of his own.
movie based on true story
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 04:36 PM (kjbSf)
Loved that movie. He was an asshole, but he got saved, and did some saving of his own.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2016 04:38 PM (CS7jF)
687
IMHO. The thing worse than making Romney Secretary of State is to declare...'hey, by the way I'm for open borders!'
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 28, 2016 04:38 PM (APrym)
688
And don't forget all the war bonds to be sold.
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 04:35 PM (KsYpa)
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Some of those old vintage War Bond posters are pretty cool. We could maybe find artists to do something similar. I also remember that movie stars would sell War Bonds. I wonder if they would do that today?
Posted by: Maritime at November 28, 2016 04:35 PM (KsYpa)
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Some of those old vintage War Bond posters are pretty cool. We could maybe find artists to do something similar. I also remember that movie stars would sell War Bonds. I wonder if they would do that today?
Posted by: grammie winger at November 28, 2016 04:38 PM (dFi94)
689
"Have NOT spent the majority of their careers leading troops"
Posted by: SMFH - 9-2! at November 28, 2016 04:38 PM (CRotO)
690
How do you like this for a theory regarding the Conway/Romney so called dispute.
It's a mole hunt.
He's got someone leaking to the press and needs to find out who.
So he plants this story.
It's a mole hunt.
He's got someone leaking to the press and needs to find out who.
So he plants this story.
Posted by: WisRich at November 28, 2016 04:39 PM (OAlmw)
691
Sometimes I get furiously irritated. Just sayin'.
Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2016 04:39 PM (Sfs6o)
692
All I know is that we squandered blood, sweat, tears, treasure and life in Iraq and Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia.
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All based on our (or my) mistaken belief that the Arab street consisted of huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
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Or for some other reason altogether, but whatever.
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All based on our (or my) mistaken belief that the Arab street consisted of huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
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Or for some other reason altogether, but whatever.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:39 PM (gmeXX)
693
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 04:33 PM (/tuJf)
this situation with Russia is completely avoidable. It does not need to end in a conflict.
Russia gives Iran money? Yeah, well we give Saudi Arabia money. We can argue over who is the bigger state sponsor of terrorism, but both are pretty hefty players in that game.
Same with "our allies." These were Russian territories (Crimea and South Osettia) since before the US was a country. That we inserted ourselves in to that situation 30 years ago is kind of meaningless to me.
I'm not saying Putins a good dude or that I'd want to live in Russia under him. But what I am saying is that Russia, while a bit on the paranoid side, is a fairly rational player in world politics. We can have a detente with them. We did for many many years.
There's no reason to get in to a pissing match with them. None at all.
this situation with Russia is completely avoidable. It does not need to end in a conflict.
Russia gives Iran money? Yeah, well we give Saudi Arabia money. We can argue over who is the bigger state sponsor of terrorism, but both are pretty hefty players in that game.
Same with "our allies." These were Russian territories (Crimea and South Osettia) since before the US was a country. That we inserted ourselves in to that situation 30 years ago is kind of meaningless to me.
I'm not saying Putins a good dude or that I'd want to live in Russia under him. But what I am saying is that Russia, while a bit on the paranoid side, is a fairly rational player in world politics. We can have a detente with them. We did for many many years.
There's no reason to get in to a pissing match with them. None at all.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 04:39 PM (cJrMO)
694
What the Middle East needs more than soldiers, is missionaries.
starting with the 1st soldier, Muhammad> Who funny enough would probably consider himself a missionary, of sorts
starting with the 1st soldier, Muhammad> Who funny enough would probably consider himself a missionary, of sorts
Posted by: ed gibbon at November 28, 2016 04:40 PM (RG0qn)
695
Nation building.
I have to comment on this, because we keep bringing up Germany and Japan as examples.
Germany and Japan were full of intelligent hard working people, and their society was productive and prosperous.
Until some sort of madness hit and they needed bitch-slapping back to reality. So we supervised while THEY rebuilt their countries, and set the parameters for their governments to work within.
None of those thing can be said of Iraq. OK, they can be said, but not seriously considered. Point is, we could have invaded their country, taken down the Hussein regime, and left the rubble.
It wouldn't look any different now, would have been over in months, cost a trillion less, maimed and killed thousands less American fighting men, and taught the world a lesson;
Don't mess with us, or we'll leave your shit in blood soaked ruins.
Instead, cockroaches the world over smelled opportunity for pocket lining with American dollars with the "rebuilding" process, and they did.
Going forward, whatever we do militarily has to either A/ Be so important to national defense and survival that it must be done. B/ Be completely done before the transition to a new administration, or C/ Maybe not engage in wars of choice or opportunity.
I have to comment on this, because we keep bringing up Germany and Japan as examples.
Germany and Japan were full of intelligent hard working people, and their society was productive and prosperous.
Until some sort of madness hit and they needed bitch-slapping back to reality. So we supervised while THEY rebuilt their countries, and set the parameters for their governments to work within.
None of those thing can be said of Iraq. OK, they can be said, but not seriously considered. Point is, we could have invaded their country, taken down the Hussein regime, and left the rubble.
It wouldn't look any different now, would have been over in months, cost a trillion less, maimed and killed thousands less American fighting men, and taught the world a lesson;
Don't mess with us, or we'll leave your shit in blood soaked ruins.
Instead, cockroaches the world over smelled opportunity for pocket lining with American dollars with the "rebuilding" process, and they did.
Going forward, whatever we do militarily has to either A/ Be so important to national defense and survival that it must be done. B/ Be completely done before the transition to a new administration, or C/ Maybe not engage in wars of choice or opportunity.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at November 28, 2016 04:40 PM (kKHcp)
696
You really think the reason we were in Japan and Germany that long was to keep the Nazis and Imperial Japan at bay?
Or was it the close proximity to the former USSR?
And we already have a base in Saudi Arabia.
I didn't know the purpose of these wars was to open up more military bases. This is starting to become a very slippery slope.
Or was it the close proximity to the former USSR?
And we already have a base in Saudi Arabia.
I didn't know the purpose of these wars was to open up more military bases. This is starting to become a very slippery slope.
Posted by: Trivoli at November 28, 2016 04:40 PM (KsYpa)
697
674 What the Middle East needs more than soldiers, is missionaries. I am 100% serious about this.
Posted by: grammie winger
Armed missionaries. But yeah, we're on the same page there.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Templars.
Posted by: grammie winger
Armed missionaries. But yeah, we're on the same page there.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Templars.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 04:40 PM (sUwfN)
698
Why are so many Trump fans interested in settling scores? Wouldn't you rather start governing? Wouldn't you rather have the best people in the jobs?
Posted by: rexbatt at November 28, 2016 04:40 PM (zY5bE)
699
I think if he had chosen a smaller school it would have turned out differently. OSU has 60,000 students and the police force is huge and well trained. A smaller school wouldn't necessarily have been as well trained or well staffed.
Posted by: Abby at November 28, 2016 04:32 PM (HBU7W)
OSU is in the middle of Columbus. The area is swarming with cops.
Posted by: Abby at November 28, 2016 04:32 PM (HBU7W)
OSU is in the middle of Columbus. The area is swarming with cops.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at November 28, 2016 04:41 PM (J70i0)
700
"I also remember that movie stars would sell War Bonds. I wonder if they would do that today?"
Sure, for anyone else.
Sure, for anyone else.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Days of Rage and Tears Black Friday Sale at The Outrage Outlet! at November 28, 2016 04:41 PM (hLRSq)
701
675 What the Middle East needs more than soldiers, is missionaries.
Machine Gun Preacher
movie based on true story
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 04:36 PM (kjbSf)
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We call them chaplain assistants in the Army.
Machine Gun Preacher
movie based on true story
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 28, 2016 04:36 PM (kjbSf)
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We call them chaplain assistants in the Army.
Posted by: SMFH - 9-2! at November 28, 2016 04:41 PM (CRotO)
702
>> The idea was also, via the Flypaper Strategy, to kill
>> the jihadis over there, rather than let them come
>> over here.
That's fine, if you don't lawfare it into a bit of paper nonsense.
Bush 43 got buffaloed by his DoD. The day the Gitmo detention facility opened he should have had some major general assigned to come up with a trial procedure in 90 days, and if he didn't do it he should have been sacked and the next guy given 60 days.
To sit on it for FUCKING YEARS was a bit of lawfare absurdity that BEGGED the Supreme Court to take it over. They didn't have a damn clue what they were doing and DESERVED to lose control over the process.
>> the jihadis over there, rather than let them come
>> over here.
That's fine, if you don't lawfare it into a bit of paper nonsense.
Bush 43 got buffaloed by his DoD. The day the Gitmo detention facility opened he should have had some major general assigned to come up with a trial procedure in 90 days, and if he didn't do it he should have been sacked and the next guy given 60 days.
To sit on it for FUCKING YEARS was a bit of lawfare absurdity that BEGGED the Supreme Court to take it over. They didn't have a damn clue what they were doing and DESERVED to lose control over the process.
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 04:41 PM (TppKb)
703
a number of people in this space argued that evolving your positions in
the face of changing circumstances made him that much more attractive as
a candidate and potential president. Apparently it's good when Trump
does it but indefensible when anyone else does.
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Correcting one's position is only ever good insofar as it makes your position more correct.
the face of changing circumstances made him that much more attractive as
a candidate and potential president. Apparently it's good when Trump
does it but indefensible when anyone else does.
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Correcting one's position is only ever good insofar as it makes your position more correct.
Posted by: Methos at November 28, 2016 04:41 PM (3Liv/)
704
http://tinyurl.com/Against-the-Sun-Trailer
That nobody saw, unfortunately.
Saw it.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 04:29 PM (sUwfN)
Was it any good? I'll probably try to find it on On Demand tonight, after watching the Hapless Green Bay Packers lose to the Iggles, and then catching up on Ash v. Evil Dead.
That nobody saw, unfortunately.
Saw it.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 04:29 PM (sUwfN)
Was it any good? I'll probably try to find it on On Demand tonight, after watching the Hapless Green Bay Packers lose to the Iggles, and then catching up on Ash v. Evil Dead.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2016 04:42 PM (CS7jF)
705
Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at November 28, 2016 04:37 PM (kZVsz)
Nation building is a Wilsonian foreign policy idea that the left loves, and that had nothing to do with 9/11 and that is a dumb idea that has never worked.
We are not going to remake other countries in our image. We can be the referees while a country rebuilds (like Japan or Germany) while occasionally flexing our muscles with some success, but we have had zero success BUILDING a nation from scratch. Which is what we'd be doing in the ME or really most of the world.
We are fortunate enough to live in a country with an organic, "grass roots," history of rule of law and stable governments. That does not exist in most of the world.
Nation building is a Wilsonian foreign policy idea that the left loves, and that had nothing to do with 9/11 and that is a dumb idea that has never worked.
We are not going to remake other countries in our image. We can be the referees while a country rebuilds (like Japan or Germany) while occasionally flexing our muscles with some success, but we have had zero success BUILDING a nation from scratch. Which is what we'd be doing in the ME or really most of the world.
We are fortunate enough to live in a country with an organic, "grass roots," history of rule of law and stable governments. That does not exist in most of the world.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 04:42 PM (cJrMO)
706
You don't think the Middle East is strategically located?
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Barbara Tuchman wrote a book about the Middle East whose title incorporating this idea, The Bible and the Sword. In addition to being the Holy Land, its position at the crossroads of the world (particularly with the Suez Canal) makes the region vitally important.
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Barbara Tuchman wrote a book about the Middle East whose title incorporating this idea, The Bible and the Sword. In addition to being the Holy Land, its position at the crossroads of the world (particularly with the Suez Canal) makes the region vitally important.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 28, 2016 04:42 PM (Nwg0u)
707
McMuffin for SecState!!!!
Posted by: Karmic Justice at November 28, 2016 04:42 PM (q29nF)
708
But the country made that decision.
Like tequila decisions made under the influence of Democrats should not count.
Like tequila decisions made under the influence of Democrats should not count.
Posted by: DaveA at November 28, 2016 04:43 PM (8J/Te)
709
Barak and Uncle Joe both skipping Castro's send off.
Say it ain't so Joe
Say it ain't so Joe
Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2016 04:43 PM (5sOEp)
710
Could Petraeus accept a position as SoS? What were the terms of his secret document handling settlement vis a vis his biographer? Some of those penalties include disqualification from serving in another secure position. That disqualification stipulation was part of the Hillary docudrama.
Posted by: Advo at November 28, 2016 04:43 PM (Ms4Um)
711
691 Sometimes I get furiously irritated. Just sayin'.
Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2016 04:39 PM (Sfs6o)
Well, at least you are not Bitterly Disappointed. Bitterly, I say
Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2016 04:39 PM (Sfs6o)
Well, at least you are not Bitterly Disappointed. Bitterly, I say
Posted by: Bitter Harbaugh at November 28, 2016 04:43 PM (dQJCS)
712
Wouldn't you rather have the best people in the jobs?
Posted by: rexbatt at November 28, 2016 04:40 PM (zY5bE)
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What's Romney best at? Other than he's good with dogs.
Posted by: rexbatt at November 28, 2016 04:40 PM (zY5bE)
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What's Romney best at? Other than he's good with dogs.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 28, 2016 04:43 PM (dFi94)
713
Russia gives Iran money? Yeah, well we give Saudi Arabia money. We can
argue over who is the bigger state sponsor of terrorism, but both are
pretty hefty players in that game.
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Technically, we're giving them both money these days.
argue over who is the bigger state sponsor of terrorism, but both are
pretty hefty players in that game.
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Technically, we're giving them both money these days.
Posted by: Methos at November 28, 2016 04:43 PM (3Liv/)
714
I don't care why we "mistakenly" went to war any fucking were. To squander all that we lost by not "winning" means we never cared enough as a country about our sons and daughters. As a vet from the Somalia and Iraq 1 era I am fucking angry we threw away all of the sacrifices of my Brothers and sisters in arms. Fuck not bothering to win wars.
Posted by: USNtakim at November 28, 2016 04:44 PM (hMqvx)
715
Could Petraeus accept a position as SoS? What were the terms of his secret document handling settlement vis a vis his biographer? Some of those penalties include disqualification from serving in another secure position. That disqualification stipulation was part of the Hillary docudrama.
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If he's nominated and confirmed, who cares what it says.
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If he's nominated and confirmed, who cares what it says.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:44 PM (gmeXX)
716
Why are so many Trump fans interested in settling scores? Wouldn't you rather start governing? Wouldn't you rather have the best people in the jobs?
Posted by: rexbatt
it isn't a slam dunk that Romney is a "best people". There's some evidence that he's more effective at attacking fellow republicans.
And settling scores has its place, sadly. One of the reasons that Trump won was because he DID fight.
Posted by: rexbatt
it isn't a slam dunk that Romney is a "best people". There's some evidence that he's more effective at attacking fellow republicans.
And settling scores has its place, sadly. One of the reasons that Trump won was because he DID fight.
Posted by: Blue Hen at November 28, 2016 04:44 PM (326rv)
717
I'm assuming we're long past discussing the post.
So... I'm inclined to believe Conway, and NOT the good ol' boys network, of which Fair Scarborough is, one could say, a good friend of Romney types.
I do find the "sources" to be tiresome. It looks like juvenile high school drama at times.
So... I'm inclined to believe Conway, and NOT the good ol' boys network, of which Fair Scarborough is, one could say, a good friend of Romney types.
I do find the "sources" to be tiresome. It looks like juvenile high school drama at times.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 28, 2016 04:44 PM (TOk1P)
718
So which chapter of the Necronomicon inspired the Browns' playbook this year?
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at November 28, 2016 04:44 PM (TLbkR)
719
Posted by: Capo at November 28, 2016 04:19 PM (nq/J2)
SH has argued his point with restraint and reason.
Perhaps you should rebut his claims in the same way.
SH has argued his point with restraint and reason.
Perhaps you should rebut his claims in the same way.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2016 04:44 PM (42Mgr)
720
714 I don't care why we "mistakenly" went to war any fucking were. To squander all that we lost by not "winning" means we never cared enough as a country about our sons and daughters. As a vet from the Somalia and Iraq 1 era I am fucking angry we threw away all of the sacrifices of my Brothers and sisters in arms. Fuck not bothering to win wars.
Posted by: USNtakim at November 28, 2016 04:44 PM (hMqvx)
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Afuckingmen.
Posted by: USNtakim at November 28, 2016 04:44 PM (hMqvx)
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Afuckingmen.
Posted by: SMFH - 9-2! at November 28, 2016 04:45 PM (CRotO)
721
Russia gives Iran money? Yeah, well we give Saudi Arabia money. We can
argue over who is the bigger state sponsor of terrorism, but both are
pretty hefty players in that game.
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Technically, we're giving them both money these days.
Posted by: Methos at November 28, 2016 04:43 PM (3Liv/)
Russia gives iran money? I think it's the other way round. Iran gives Russia money for weapons
argue over who is the bigger state sponsor of terrorism, but both are
pretty hefty players in that game.
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Technically, we're giving them both money these days.
Posted by: Methos at November 28, 2016 04:43 PM (3Liv/)
Russia gives iran money? I think it's the other way round. Iran gives Russia money for weapons
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 04:45 PM (EbeEQ)
722
Was it any good? I'll probably try to find it on On Demand tonight, after watching the Hapless Green Bay Packers lose to the Iggles, and then catching up on Ash v. Evil Dead.
Yes. I believe we saw it on either Netflix or Prime
I hadn't realized it was a true story until the end.
Yes. I believe we saw it on either Netflix or Prime
I hadn't realized it was a true story until the end.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 04:45 PM (sUwfN)
723
>> Wouldn't you rather have the best people in the
>> jobs?
Define 'best'.
If it's someone who will not support my policies, no.
I would want the best people consistent with my policy agenda who are prepared to work loyally (within the law) for me.
>> jobs?
Define 'best'.
If it's someone who will not support my policies, no.
I would want the best people consistent with my policy agenda who are prepared to work loyally (within the law) for me.
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 04:45 PM (TppKb)
724
>>There's no reason to get in to a pissing match with them. None at all.
Uh huh. Watch and see what happens.
History may not repeat itself but it comes awfully damn close.
Uh huh. Watch and see what happens.
History may not repeat itself but it comes awfully damn close.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 04:45 PM (/tuJf)
725
698 Why are so many Trump fans interested in settling scores? Wouldn't you rather start governing? Wouldn't you rather have the best people in the jobs?
Posted by: rexbatt at November 28, 2016 04:40 PM (zY5bE)
a) because fuck you (not you in particular, "you" in the general sense)
b) not quite yet
c) "best" is a subjective standard. Romney does to qualify, he's an asshat who none of us really liked but HAD to support because it was unpatriotic to not support the R nominee, who then turned around and did exactly what we were chided for doing by talking shit about the R nominee. Oh, and he lost what should have been the easiest election in years. Oh, and RomneyCare.
Oh, and his only government experience is being the most liberal R governor in the country for a few years in MA. So I don't see how he's "qualified" (in the DC sense) to be SoS.
Posted by: rexbatt at November 28, 2016 04:40 PM (zY5bE)
a) because fuck you (not you in particular, "you" in the general sense)
b) not quite yet
c) "best" is a subjective standard. Romney does to qualify, he's an asshat who none of us really liked but HAD to support because it was unpatriotic to not support the R nominee, who then turned around and did exactly what we were chided for doing by talking shit about the R nominee. Oh, and he lost what should have been the easiest election in years. Oh, and RomneyCare.
Oh, and his only government experience is being the most liberal R governor in the country for a few years in MA. So I don't see how he's "qualified" (in the DC sense) to be SoS.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 04:45 PM (cJrMO)
726
By the way, if you're on Gab, Milo Yiawhatsisface is the one with the address @m
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:45 PM (39g3+)
727
I was against going into Iraq from day one. I knew exactly what would happen. Because Bush scheduled the vote in Congress just before the elections the Democrats would vote for it in large numbers after they saw what happened to short term polls on the first Iraq thing. Then as soon as the election was over they would turn on him like rabid dogs. And when they got in charge they would pull out and undo everything we had spend blood and treasure on. Been there, done that, got the DD-214.
And guess what; it happened just like I said it would.
And guess what; it happened just like I said it would.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 28, 2016 04:45 PM (mpXpK)
728
The idea was also, via the Flypaper Strategy, to kill the jihadis over there, rather than let them come over here. It worked, but did cost us a lot of irreplaceable men and women.
Now, of course, we have jihadis over here slaughtering people wholesale. See, for example, Florida gay bar and San Bernardino massacres, among many others.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2016 04:37 PM (CS7jF)
That was never the strategy. It was rationalization after the fact. If that was the strategy, we wouldn't have massively increased Muslim immigration after 9/11.
Now, of course, we have jihadis over here slaughtering people wholesale. See, for example, Florida gay bar and San Bernardino massacres, among many others.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2016 04:37 PM (CS7jF)
That was never the strategy. It was rationalization after the fact. If that was the strategy, we wouldn't have massively increased Muslim immigration after 9/11.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at November 28, 2016 04:46 PM (J70i0)
729
Does Trump have a sensitive ego? He gets beaten up by everybody and doesn't seem too bothered.
Posted by: bjk at November 28, 2016 04:46 PM (x2rNW)
730
Uh huh. Watch and see what happens.
History may not repeat itself but it comes awfully damn close.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 04:45 PM (/tuJf)
So we should do... what? I'm not against beefing up our military world wide, but I am against saber rattling. Because we do not want to bluff ourselves in to a war. With anyone. Much less with a nuclear armed country with paranoid tendencies.
History may not repeat itself but it comes awfully damn close.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 04:45 PM (/tuJf)
So we should do... what? I'm not against beefing up our military world wide, but I am against saber rattling. Because we do not want to bluff ourselves in to a war. With anyone. Much less with a nuclear armed country with paranoid tendencies.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 04:47 PM (cJrMO)
731
Yes. I believe we saw it on either Netflix or Prime
I hadn't realized it was a true story until the end.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 04:45 PM (sUwfN)
Thanks. I'll try to see if I can find it.
I hadn't realized it was a true story until the end.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2016 04:45 PM (sUwfN)
Thanks. I'll try to see if I can find it.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2016 04:47 PM (CS7jF)
732
Why are so many Trump fans interested in settling scores? Wouldn't you
rather start governing? Wouldn't you rather have the best people in the
jobs?
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Because the point of Trump was eliminating the old establishment, particularly on the GOP side..
Which allows the second to proceed.
The establishment has proven it is all but never "the best people"-see first response.
rather start governing? Wouldn't you rather have the best people in the
jobs?
---
Because the point of Trump was eliminating the old establishment, particularly on the GOP side..
Which allows the second to proceed.
The establishment has proven it is all but never "the best people"-see first response.
Posted by: Methos at November 28, 2016 04:47 PM (3Liv/)
Posted by: SMFH - 9-2! at November 28, 2016 04:48 PM (CRotO)
734
Not for Patraeus for what he did no matter how good, but think of the howls from leftists for him passing info to his honeypot.
Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2016 04:48 PM (5sOEp)
735
"was against going into Iraq from day one." -Vic
But that idiot Mursili, king of the Hittite Empire, he just wouldn't listen
But that idiot Mursili, king of the Hittite Empire, he just wouldn't listen
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at November 28, 2016 04:48 PM (TLbkR)
736
So we should do... what? I'm not against beefing up our military world wide, but I am against saber rattling. Because we do not want to bluff ourselves in to a war. With anyone. Much less with a nuclear armed country with paranoid tendencies.
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Its a fine line for sure. Personally, I just want to make sure Poland is protected.
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Its a fine line for sure. Personally, I just want to make sure Poland is protected.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:48 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 04:48 PM (EbeEQ)
738
Russia gives iran money? I think it's the other way round. Iran gives Russia money for weapons
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 04:45 PM (EbeEQ)
well, I wasn't going to argue that point -- Russia and Iran trade with each other. I think that was the original point.
Russia gives iran money? I think it's the other way round. Iran gives Russia money for weapons
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 04:45 PM (EbeEQ)
well, I wasn't going to argue that point -- Russia and Iran trade with each other. I think that was the original point.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 04:49 PM (cJrMO)
739
I'll probably try to find it on On Demand tonight, after watching the Hapless Green Bay Packers lose to the Iggles
================================
Green Bay. Sigh. I don't know what's up with them this year but they suck. At least I have my Cubs to keep me warm. I ordered a back issue of the Chicago Tribune, Nov 3rd edition for Rev's Christmas present. Don't spill the beans now.
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Green Bay. Sigh. I don't know what's up with them this year but they suck. At least I have my Cubs to keep me warm. I ordered a back issue of the Chicago Tribune, Nov 3rd edition for Rev's Christmas present. Don't spill the beans now.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 28, 2016 04:49 PM (dFi94)
740
Its a fine line for sure. Personally, I just want to make sure Poland is protected.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:48 PM (gmeXX)
Sure. I don't disagree. But there's a way to do this without swinging our dick around.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:48 PM (gmeXX)
Sure. I don't disagree. But there's a way to do this without swinging our dick around.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 04:50 PM (cJrMO)
741
Why are so many Trump fans interested in settling scores? Wouldn't you rather start governing? Wouldn't you rather have the best people in the jobs?
Posted by: rexbatt at November 28, 2016 04:40 PM (zY5bE)
It's more fun.
Posted by: rexbatt at November 28, 2016 04:40 PM (zY5bE)
It's more fun.
Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at November 28, 2016 04:50 PM (D2vc1)
742
ace working on GAINZZ. Thanksgiving was hard on him.
Posted by: Golfman at November 28, 2016 04:50 PM (Oookp)
743
N-dimensional underwater chess, you say?
Ehh, doubt it. As much as I like Trump every time I thought he was playing the long con I've been wrong. The only sort-of clever thing he did was the taco bowl tweet. A picture of Marla Maples is peeking out from underneath the papers if you never noticed. Media talked about it for days.
Ehh, doubt it. As much as I like Trump every time I thought he was playing the long con I've been wrong. The only sort-of clever thing he did was the taco bowl tweet. A picture of Marla Maples is peeking out from underneath the papers if you never noticed. Media talked about it for days.
Posted by: GrapeDrink at November 28, 2016 04:50 PM (E+W5K)
744
Why are so many Trump fans interested in settling scores? Wouldn't you
rather start governing? Wouldn't you rather have the best people in the
jobs?
Posted by: rexbatt at November 28, 2016 04:40 PM (zY5bE)
Evidently senior rexbatt is not familiar with titt-for-tatt theory.
rather start governing? Wouldn't you rather have the best people in the
jobs?
Posted by: rexbatt at November 28, 2016 04:40 PM (zY5bE)
Evidently senior rexbatt is not familiar with titt-for-tatt theory.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 28, 2016 04:51 PM (mpXpK)
745
I'm going to be pretty pissed if I get nuked.
Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2016 04:51 PM (Sfs6o)
746
Ehh, doubt it. As much as I like Trump every time I thought he was playing the long con I've been wrong. The only sort-of clever thing he did was the taco bowl tweet. A picture of Marla Maples is peeking out from underneath the papers if you never noticed. Media talked about it for days.
Posted by: GrapeDrink at November 28, 2016 04:50 PM (E+W5K)
Hmm... well for someone who sucks at playing the 'long con' he did fairly well in that whole electoral thing, against the predictions of all the experts, no?
Ehh, doubt it. As much as I like Trump every time I thought he was playing the long con I've been wrong. The only sort-of clever thing he did was the taco bowl tweet. A picture of Marla Maples is peeking out from underneath the papers if you never noticed. Media talked about it for days.
Posted by: GrapeDrink at November 28, 2016 04:50 PM (E+W5K)
Hmm... well for someone who sucks at playing the 'long con' he did fairly well in that whole electoral thing, against the predictions of all the experts, no?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 04:51 PM (cJrMO)
747
Its a fine line for sure. Personally, I just want to make sure Poland is protected.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:48 PM (gmeXX)
Sure. I don't disagree. But there's a way to do this without swinging our dick around.
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But I gather what JackStraw is really looking for is for someone who understands that Russia is a natural enemy and should be treated as such. Doesn't mean you go to war, but recognize we have different interests. They are not just some past empire like the Austrian - Hungary empire that passed away with the ending of the Cold War.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:48 PM (gmeXX)
Sure. I don't disagree. But there's a way to do this without swinging our dick around.
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But I gather what JackStraw is really looking for is for someone who understands that Russia is a natural enemy and should be treated as such. Doesn't mean you go to war, but recognize we have different interests. They are not just some past empire like the Austrian - Hungary empire that passed away with the ending of the Cold War.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:52 PM (gmeXX)
748
745 I'm going to be pretty pissed if I get nuked.
Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2016 04:51 PM (Sfs6o)
I agree, that would be suboptimal at best.
Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2016 04:51 PM (Sfs6o)
I agree, that would be suboptimal at best.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 04:52 PM (cJrMO)
749
Why are so many Trump fans interested in settling scores? Wouldn't you
rather start governing? Wouldn't you rather have the best people in the
jobs?
Posted by: rexbatt at November 28, 2016 04:40 PM (zY5bE)
_______________________________________
Scorch, Scatter, and Salt.
Mittens needs to be removed from consideration of anything over Boston Dog Catcher.
Why are so many Trump fans interested in settling scores? Wouldn't you
rather start governing? Wouldn't you rather have the best people in the
jobs?
Posted by: rexbatt at November 28, 2016 04:40 PM (zY5bE)
_______________________________________
Scorch, Scatter, and Salt.
Mittens needs to be removed from consideration of anything over Boston Dog Catcher.
Posted by: IP at November 28, 2016 04:52 PM (4eC8W)
750
745 I'm going to be pretty pissed if I get nuked.
Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2016 04:51 PM (Sfs6o)
---
Not for long.
So there's that.
Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2016 04:51 PM (Sfs6o)
---
Not for long.
So there's that.
Posted by: SMFH - 9-2! at November 28, 2016 04:52 PM (CRotO)
751
GAINZ
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 28, 2016 04:52 PM (mpXpK)
752
>>Why are so many Trump fans interested in settling scores? Wouldn't you rather start governing? Wouldn't you rather have the best people in the jobs?
It seems because for many history started when Trump won.
They forget that Trump has been raging on Romney since 2012. They forget that Conway worked with both Newt in 2012 and also the man who pioneered the theory of vaginal goaltending, Todd Akin, who badly damaged Republicans in 2012. Hell, they even forget she started the 2016 campaign working for one of Ted Cruz's Super PACs and didn't flip to Trump until the Mercer family behind the Super PAC flipped when Cruz lost.
I'm getting a bit bored by the process. Just name somebody already and let's move on.
It seems because for many history started when Trump won.
They forget that Trump has been raging on Romney since 2012. They forget that Conway worked with both Newt in 2012 and also the man who pioneered the theory of vaginal goaltending, Todd Akin, who badly damaged Republicans in 2012. Hell, they even forget she started the 2016 campaign working for one of Ted Cruz's Super PACs and didn't flip to Trump until the Mercer family behind the Super PAC flipped when Cruz lost.
I'm getting a bit bored by the process. Just name somebody already and let's move on.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 04:52 PM (/tuJf)
753
745 I'm going to be pretty pissed if I get nuked.
Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2016 04:51 PM (Sfs6o)
I agree, that would be suboptimal at best.
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If I am, I don't want to know about it.
Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2016 04:51 PM (Sfs6o)
I agree, that would be suboptimal at best.
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If I am, I don't want to know about it.
Posted by: SH at November 28, 2016 04:53 PM (gmeXX)
754
Well fuck ya we are going to settle some scores.
The Establishment is going to feel pain, those dirty fuckers.
The Establishment is going to feel pain, those dirty fuckers.
Posted by: Yo! at November 28, 2016 04:53 PM (GwIKd)
755
But I gather what JackStraw is really looking for is for someone who understands that Russia is a natural enemy and should be treated as such.
Yeah that's my attitude as well. Russia is not our friend and must be treated with suspicion and caution, not palled around with.
Yeah that's my attitude as well. Russia is not our friend and must be treated with suspicion and caution, not palled around with.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:53 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: SMFH - 9-2! at November 28, 2016 04:53 PM (CRotO)
757
"Wouldn't you rather have the best people in the jobs?"
Hold on a second here. Betrayus? The Mittbot?
These are "the best people" only for certain values of "best".
Hold on a second here. Betrayus? The Mittbot?
These are "the best people" only for certain values of "best".
Posted by: torquewrench at November 28, 2016 04:53 PM (noWW6)
758
nood gainz
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 28, 2016 04:53 PM (cJrMO)
759
Romney was just non-supportive of PE Trump but he was intentionally and repeatedly insulting and harmful and wanted to hurt and defeat Trump no matter what the cost to the nation. I am not sure how that makes him the best qualified for anything except a rat
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 04:54 PM (EbeEQ)
760
WZ has a photo of Stabby al-Stabberson.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 28, 2016 04:54 PM (Nwg0u)
761
Since Romney lost the 2012 election, what kind of work has he been doing to qualify him for Secretary of State?
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 28, 2016 04:55 PM (t82DG)
762
Three people abducted by aliens have slightly different stories:
https://youtu.be/PfPdYYsEfAE
From SNL, but pretty funny nonetheless.
https://youtu.be/PfPdYYsEfAE
From SNL, but pretty funny nonetheless.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2016 04:55 PM (CS7jF)
763
Yeah Romney went beyond nevertrump to anti-trump, he wasn't just opposed or even worried (like me) but hostile. I can see him as useful in the administration its just odd for him to want to be in there now. Unless he's just after power and figured opposing Trump would be his leverage into GOP control
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:55 PM (39g3+)
764
>>So we should do... what? I'm not against beefing up our military world wide, but I am against saber rattling. Because we do not want to bluff ourselves in to a war. With anyone. Much less with a nuclear armed country with paranoid tendencies.
A good first step would be stop the lunacy of pretending Putin is an honest broker we can negotiate with. He isn't and we can't.
There is a wide swath of options to choose from between Obama's do nothing and going to guns. We know what showing weakness brings. Maybe stop doing that would be a good start.
A good first step would be stop the lunacy of pretending Putin is an honest broker we can negotiate with. He isn't and we can't.
There is a wide swath of options to choose from between Obama's do nothing and going to guns. We know what showing weakness brings. Maybe stop doing that would be a good start.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 04:56 PM (/tuJf)
765
Why are so many Trump fans interested in settling scores? Wouldn't you rather start governing? Wouldn't you rather have the best people in the jobs?
Ambassadorships are for smoothing ruffled feathers not cabinet positions.
Why are so many Trump fans interested in settling scores? Wouldn't you rather start governing? Wouldn't you rather have the best people in the jobs?
Ambassadorships are for smoothing ruffled feathers not cabinet positions.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at November 28, 2016 04:56 PM (lKyWE)
766
All you have to do to get Romney to play hard ball with the countries Trump wants him to is to tell him that their diplomats are Republicans.
If you want him to play nice, tell him they're democrats.
If you want him to play nice, tell him they're democrats.
Posted by: buzzion at November 28, 2016 04:57 PM (z/Ubi)
767
I think Hot Air has it right - infighting by Trump"s staff.
It's an unnescesarry distraction and makes Trump"s succession team appear as if its in total disarray.
It's an unnescesarry distraction and makes Trump"s succession team appear as if its in total disarray.
Posted by: Bill Wynn at November 28, 2016 04:57 PM (KY/0q)
768
>> Sure. I don't disagree. But there's a way to do this
>> without swinging our dick around.
Problem is, there's places in eastern Europe that need to be defended.
But if Germany, Italy, and the rest of the middle-west isn't prepared to do shit (and even less inclined to do so as their Muslim voter base grows) it's difficult.
The French Presidential vote will be interesting.
>> without swinging our dick around.
Problem is, there's places in eastern Europe that need to be defended.
But if Germany, Italy, and the rest of the middle-west isn't prepared to do shit (and even less inclined to do so as their Muslim voter base grows) it's difficult.
The French Presidential vote will be interesting.
Posted by: JEM at November 28, 2016 04:57 PM (TppKb)
769
Cheese hotdog pizza, pasta sauce, and walnut ice cream. Map it. If you don't know what this is about, then...
Posted by: chilloutyo at November 28, 2016 04:58 PM (lQqJB)
770
755 But I gather what JackStraw is really looking for is for someone who understands that Russia is a natural enemy and should be treated as such.
Yeah that's my attitude as well. Russia is not our friend and must be treated with suspicion and caution, not palled around with.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:53 PM (39g3+)
They kicked out the Soros Syndicate from their country and are fighting Islamists.
Seems like they are in front of us in those two important areas. We need to catch up and compete with them.
Yeah that's my attitude as well. Russia is not our friend and must be treated with suspicion and caution, not palled around with.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 04:53 PM (39g3+)
They kicked out the Soros Syndicate from their country and are fighting Islamists.
Seems like they are in front of us in those two important areas. We need to catch up and compete with them.
Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 28, 2016 04:58 PM (t82DG)
771
What do you mean by that? We are arguably stronger.
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The US is not even close to as dominant a force as it was in 1945-1950. By the end of WWII the US accounted for something like 25% of GLOBAL GDP and something like half of the manufacturing capacity.
We aren't even close to that level of juggernaut anymore. The rest of the world has caught us in technology (largely due to our own generosity) and productivity. With that playing field level, population counts for a lot more than it used to and those disparities have GROWN, not shrunk since 1950.
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The US is not even close to as dominant a force as it was in 1945-1950. By the end of WWII the US accounted for something like 25% of GLOBAL GDP and something like half of the manufacturing capacity.
We aren't even close to that level of juggernaut anymore. The rest of the world has caught us in technology (largely due to our own generosity) and productivity. With that playing field level, population counts for a lot more than it used to and those disparities have GROWN, not shrunk since 1950.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at November 28, 2016 04:58 PM (xeeHA)
772
Romney was just non-supportive of PE Trump but he was intentionally and repeatedly insulting and harmful and wanted to hurt and defeat Trump no matter what the cost to the nation.
He actually went as far as attacking Trump U as a worthless scam at a time of an ongoing court case against.
Romney was just non-supportive of PE Trump but he was intentionally and repeatedly insulting and harmful and wanted to hurt and defeat Trump no matter what the cost to the nation.
He actually went as far as attacking Trump U as a worthless scam at a time of an ongoing court case against.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at November 28, 2016 05:00 PM (lKyWE)
773
It's funny that some here think Romney is a dummy and thatTrump can manipulate him in any manner he wants.
You may not like Romney or even hate him but he ain't no dummy.
I'm thinking Bolton must have turned Trump down because he was the obvious pick to satisfy the Trump base and the conservatives that weren't fully on board with Trump.
You may not like Romney or even hate him but he ain't no dummy.
I'm thinking Bolton must have turned Trump down because he was the obvious pick to satisfy the Trump base and the conservatives that weren't fully on board with Trump.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 28, 2016 05:01 PM (tyYyF)
774
The US is not even close to as dominant a force as it was in 1945-1950. By the end of WWII the US accounted for something like 25% of GLOBAL GDP and something like half of the manufacturing capacity.
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'45-'50 the rest of the world was still smoking ruins.
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'45-'50 the rest of the world was still smoking ruins.
Posted by: simplemind at November 28, 2016 05:01 PM (xVRrG)
775
Seems like they are in front of us in those two important areas. We need to catch up and compete with them.
Deporting Soros to Moscow would be a good first step.
Deporting Soros to Moscow would be a good first step.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 05:02 PM (39g3+)
776
>>I'm thinking Bolton must have turned Trump down because he was the obvious pick to satisfy the Trump base and the conservatives that weren't fully on board with Trump.
Even funnier. Bolton endorsed Romney over all the other candidates in 2012 and worked with his campaign as a foreign affairs advisor.
Presumably, he would have given Trump the exact same advice.
Even funnier. Bolton endorsed Romney over all the other candidates in 2012 and worked with his campaign as a foreign affairs advisor.
Presumably, he would have given Trump the exact same advice.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 05:03 PM (/tuJf)
777
Yeah that's my attitude as well. Russia is not our friend and must be
treated with suspicion and caution, not palled around with.
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Russia's fine.
Just be a pal and give your food taster a geiger counter and we're all good.
treated with suspicion and caution, not palled around with.
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Russia's fine.
Just be a pal and give your food taster a geiger counter and we're all good.
Posted by: Methos at November 28, 2016 05:03 PM (3Liv/)
778
Also you haven't heard a word out of Romney so it's just speculation that he would even accept a position.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 28, 2016 05:04 PM (tyYyF)
779
So you think Kaepernick has a job once the niners dump him?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 05:04 PM (39g3+)
780
Romney for ambassador to the Vatican.
Posted by: Abby at November 28, 2016 05:05 PM (HBU7W)
781
Why are so many Trump fans interested in settling scores? Wouldn't you
rather start governing? Wouldn't you rather have the best people in the
jobs?
Ambassadorships are for smoothing ruffled feathers not cabinet positions.
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Do we have an ambassador to the EU, separate from the SoS?
Because given the likely trajectory of the EU, that assignment would be the ultimate pat on the back/fuck you/frenemy post.
rather start governing? Wouldn't you rather have the best people in the
jobs?
Ambassadorships are for smoothing ruffled feathers not cabinet positions.
---
Do we have an ambassador to the EU, separate from the SoS?
Because given the likely trajectory of the EU, that assignment would be the ultimate pat on the back/fuck you/frenemy post.
Posted by: Methos at November 28, 2016 05:06 PM (3Liv/)
782
I'm thinking Bolton must have turned Trump down...
I'm thinking Trump is having trouble getting anybody to accept the Secretary of State position in his administration.
I'm thinking Trump is having trouble getting anybody to accept the Secretary of State position in his administration.
Posted by: Bill Wynn at November 28, 2016 05:07 PM (KY/0q)
783
So you think Kaepernick has a job once the niners dump him?
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Sources say he's a lock for Secretary of State.
So you think Kaepernick has a job once the niners dump him?
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Sources say he's a lock for Secretary of State.
Posted by: MSDNC at November 28, 2016 05:09 PM (3Liv/)
784
Look what the dead cat dragged in
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 05:09 PM (EbeEQ)
785
in total disarray.
Posted by: Bill Wynn
The knees on your pants wouldn't get that way if you'd quit your day job at the truck stop AJ
Posted by: Bill Wynn
The knees on your pants wouldn't get that way if you'd quit your day job at the truck stop AJ
Posted by: DaveA at November 28, 2016 05:09 PM (8J/Te)
786
Um, Tremors... the giant man eating subterranean worms - they weren't from space were they? I recall them just being from underground, no mention of any alien connection. Unless it was established in one of those awful sequels that Michael Gross kept agreeing to do. Not that I blame him - work is work for the celebrity C list. (D? E? T for 'Tremors 9: We Want a Sharknado Crossover'?)
Posted by: moronhorde minion at November 28, 2016 05:09 PM (hKDRi)
787
I'm thinking Trump is having trouble getting anybody to accept the Secretary of State position in his administration.
Posted by: Bill Wynn at November 28, 2016 05:07 PM (KY/0q)
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I tend to agree but not because of it being Trump's administration.
Not exactly a foreign friendly position right at the moment, having to dish out the bad news that the money tit has gone dry and ya'll are gonna have to walk alone for a lil while.
Posted by: Bill Wynn at November 28, 2016 05:07 PM (KY/0q)
____________________________________
I tend to agree but not because of it being Trump's administration.
Not exactly a foreign friendly position right at the moment, having to dish out the bad news that the money tit has gone dry and ya'll are gonna have to walk alone for a lil while.
Posted by: IP at November 28, 2016 05:10 PM (4eC8W)
788
I don't think Bolton was interested in State, its a lot of work and he'd have to deal with many people he holds in contempt. It would be like putting Bill Burr on the job.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 05:11 PM (39g3+)
789
I'm thinking Trump is having trouble getting anybody to accept the Secretary of State position in his administration.
Posted by: Bill Wynn at November 28, 2016 05:07 PM (KY/0q)
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Yes, I see what you mean. Secretary of State of the United States of America is not an attractive position. Maybe Trump will have to put it on Craigslist.
Posted by: Bill Wynn at November 28, 2016 05:07 PM (KY/0q)
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Yes, I see what you mean. Secretary of State of the United States of America is not an attractive position. Maybe Trump will have to put it on Craigslist.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 28, 2016 05:12 PM (dFi94)
790
Yes, I see what you mean. Secretary of State of the United States of America is not an attractive position. Maybe Trump will have to put it on Craigslist.
I'll take it!
Yes, I see what you mean. Secretary of State of the United States of America is not an attractive position. Maybe Trump will have to put it on Craigslist.
I'll take it!
Posted by: Craig at November 28, 2016 05:13 PM (IqV8l)
791
I'm thinking Bolton must have turned Trump down...
As much as we love him here he is pretty much despised by democrats and establishment republicans so he probably would have a tough time being confirmed.He's not exactly popular in Europe either.
I'm thinking Bolton must have turned Trump down...
As much as we love him here he is pretty much despised by democrats and establishment republicans so he probably would have a tough time being confirmed.He's not exactly popular in Europe either.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at November 28, 2016 05:13 PM (lKyWE)
792
The reality of women in combat roles
Op-ed: Research shows that not only has operational preparedness suffered as a result of womens incorporation in combat units, but that female soldiers themselves have paid a heavy price for the social experiment performed on them and on their bodies. But who cares about women when its more important to appear enlightened?
YNET
Very interesting article
Thread worthy
Op-ed: Research shows that not only has operational preparedness suffered as a result of womens incorporation in combat units, but that female soldiers themselves have paid a heavy price for the social experiment performed on them and on their bodies. But who cares about women when its more important to appear enlightened?
YNET
Very interesting article
Thread worthy
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 05:14 PM (EbeEQ)
793
As much as we love him here he is pretty much despised by democrats and establishment republicans so he probably would have a tough time being confirmed.He's not exactly popular in Europe either.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at November 28, 2016 05:13 PM (lKyWE)
Yeah, some Republicans are on record as against him. I am sorry to say
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at November 28, 2016 05:13 PM (lKyWE)
Yeah, some Republicans are on record as against him. I am sorry to say
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 05:15 PM (EbeEQ)
794
Yeah expecting women's bodies to behave and be at the same level of preparedness and capacity as mens is just ignorant of biology and logic, not to mention thousands of years of human history.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 05:15 PM (39g3+)
795
"Trump wants a public apology from Romney; we know that Trump's ego is
easily bruised and requires a lot of massaging to start healing."
Amazing aint it? the above must be true because the same media that lies to us constantly said it must be true many many many times.
Maybe, it's more of a case of Trump actually comprehending the concept of enemy and behaving accordingly when confronted with same.
We whine like little bitches when our 'leaders' refuse to confront the scumbags, then we mock our 'leaders' when they do confront the scumbags.
Someday, we're going to have to grow up enough to realize that a major part of the problem in our politics is us.
We're easily manipulated idiots.
easily bruised and requires a lot of massaging to start healing."
Amazing aint it? the above must be true because the same media that lies to us constantly said it must be true many many many times.
Maybe, it's more of a case of Trump actually comprehending the concept of enemy and behaving accordingly when confronted with same.
We whine like little bitches when our 'leaders' refuse to confront the scumbags, then we mock our 'leaders' when they do confront the scumbags.
Someday, we're going to have to grow up enough to realize that a major part of the problem in our politics is us.
We're easily manipulated idiots.
Posted by: Grimmy at November 28, 2016 05:17 PM (m+qrc)
796
News you can use: how to use makeup to cover up a savage beating by your mostly peaceful Muslim husband
http://tinyurl.com/jrubult
http://tinyurl.com/jrubult
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 05:17 PM (39g3+)
797
As a suspect carried out a savage attack at Ohio State University on Monday, members of the U.S. military in one classroom heroically stood by the door to protect others, a student told CNN.
We have quite a few military men in our class, who are actually all standing by the doors, keeping us safe, OSU student Molly Clarke said. Im feeling pretty good about that.
We have quite a few military men in our class, who are actually all standing by the doors, keeping us safe, OSU student Molly Clarke said. Im feeling pretty good about that.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 05:18 PM (EbeEQ)
798
>>I don't think Bolton was interested in State, its a lot of work and he'd have to deal with many people he holds in contempt. It would be like putting Bill Burr on the job.
Republicans have a one seat majority on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Rand Paul has already come out and said he would do whatever it takes to keep Bolton from being Secretary of State.
Things like this are definitely being considered at Trump Towers. It's not enough to just pick the person you want, they have to get through Congress as well.
It shouldn't be forgotten that Bush had to use a recess appointment to get Bolton to the UN.
Republicans have a one seat majority on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Rand Paul has already come out and said he would do whatever it takes to keep Bolton from being Secretary of State.
Things like this are definitely being considered at Trump Towers. It's not enough to just pick the person you want, they have to get through Congress as well.
It shouldn't be forgotten that Bush had to use a recess appointment to get Bolton to the UN.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 05:18 PM (/tuJf)
799
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 05:14 PM (EbeEQ)
I believe Gen.Mills was one of the only military leaders who had the balls to openly speak out against the idea.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2016 05:14 PM (EbeEQ)
I believe Gen.Mills was one of the only military leaders who had the balls to openly speak out against the idea.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at November 28, 2016 05:18 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 05:19 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 05:20 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: DaveA at November 28, 2016 05:20 PM (8J/Te)
803
I'm thinking Trump is having trouble getting anybody to accept the Secretary of State position in his administration.
Posted by: Bill Wynn
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Maybe he should ask you, Bill?
Welcome back, btw.
I, for one have missed you.
Seamus has been slacking in the "making me laugh" category.
Posted by: Bill Wynn
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Maybe he should ask you, Bill?
Welcome back, btw.
I, for one have missed you.
Seamus has been slacking in the "making me laugh" category.
Posted by: the doll from at November 28, 2016 05:20 PM (h4LRT)
804
Don't expect to learn Trump' pick for SOS anytime soon.
It will undoubtably take a couple of weeks to find someone suitable for his administration.
It will undoubtably take a couple of weeks to find someone suitable for his administration.
Posted by: Bill Wynn at November 28, 2016 05:21 PM (KY/0q)
805
Shit. Off 1/2 the "Magic" sock.
Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at November 28, 2016 05:22 PM (h4LRT)
806
I wouldn't want Giuliani at state anyway. He's got experience but I'd rather see him in a law enforcement job. Comey needs to go....
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 05:23 PM (39g3+)
807
>>It will undoubtably take a couple of weeks to find someone suitable for his administration.
Given your track record of being spectacularly wrong on everything, we should be seeing a candidate any day now.
Given your track record of being spectacularly wrong on everything, we should be seeing a candidate any day now.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2016 05:23 PM (/tuJf)
808
Funny, I haven't read any numbers about how well or poorly "Black Friday" sales were. We usually see them this time of year, boasting or lamenting.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2016 05:24 PM (39g3+)
809
Funny, I haven't read any numbers about how well or poorly "Black
Friday" sales were. We usually see them this time of year, boasting or
lamenting.
---
It would be racist to discuss our declining economy before Trump is sworn in.
Or Hillary.
However that works out.
Friday" sales were. We usually see them this time of year, boasting or
lamenting.
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It would be racist to discuss our declining economy before Trump is sworn in.
Or Hillary.
However that works out.
Posted by: MSDNC at November 28, 2016 05:43 PM (3Liv/)
810
Here are some ideas of titles for Romney:
Black Rod
Page of the Presence
Clerk of the Closet
Gentleman of the Bedchamber
Gold Stick-in-Waiting
Groom of the Stool
Black Rod
Page of the Presence
Clerk of the Closet
Gentleman of the Bedchamber
Gold Stick-in-Waiting
Groom of the Stool
Posted by: Beverly at November 28, 2016 05:55 PM (OrdWq)
811
LisaDaftari
28/11/16 18:08
Authorities investigating Facebook post possibly connected to #OhioState attacker Abdul Artan mentioning Anwar Al Awlaki & lone-wolf attacks
28/11/16 18:08
Authorities investigating Facebook post possibly connected to #OhioState attacker Abdul Artan mentioning Anwar Al Awlaki & lone-wolf attacks
Posted by: Evilpens at November 28, 2016 06:05 PM (y3aQB)
812
Mitt, for anything? Not buying. He was a pastel as MA Gov. too.
My vote which matters not. NO. Nope.
Trump will have crossed the Rubicon if there is any consideration for Mittzy.
No, and HELL NO.
Too late? ah well...
My vote which matters not. NO. Nope.
Trump will have crossed the Rubicon if there is any consideration for Mittzy.
No, and HELL NO.
Too late? ah well...
Posted by: micky at November 28, 2016 06:05 PM (o5vMc)
813
I was against going into Iraq from day one. I knew exactly what would happen. Because Bush scheduled the vote in Congress just before the elections the Democrats would vote for it in large numbers after they saw what happened to short term polls on the first Iraq thing. Then as soon as the election was over they would turn on him like rabid dogs. And when they got in charge they would pull out and undo everything we had spend blood and treasure on. Been there, done that, got the DD-214.
And guess what; it happened just like I said it would.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 28, 2016 04:45 PM (mpXpK)
Yes, that was one probable outcome.
Another probable outcome was that Bush took care of business and sewed it up so well and tight that the Dems would have been spitting in the wind trying to unravel it.
He should have turned Iraq over to the military and sent the burrowcrats back home.
And guess what; it happened just like I said it would.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 28, 2016 04:45 PM (mpXpK)
Yes, that was one probable outcome.
Another probable outcome was that Bush took care of business and sewed it up so well and tight that the Dems would have been spitting in the wind trying to unravel it.
He should have turned Iraq over to the military and sent the burrowcrats back home.
Posted by: gNewt at November 28, 2016 06:17 PM (VJ4aP)
814
False in one thing, false in everything: The Times published Walter Duranty and Herbert Matthews, and still includes Duranty's Pulitzer on its masthead. Enough said.
Posted by: Brown Line at November 28, 2016 06:18 PM (667Qv)
815
The most likely possibility (that others have said) is that the GOPe is the one who wants Trump to pick Romney in order to show "healing".
Trump decides to give him a interview, says he might pick him, and then lets his supporters go nuts on Romney. Then he can go to the GOPe and say he tried, but darn it his supporters might "revolt" losing all that new found good will. Therefore we will need a "compromise" pick.
Remember this is the "Art of the Deal" guy.
Trump decides to give him a interview, says he might pick him, and then lets his supporters go nuts on Romney. Then he can go to the GOPe and say he tried, but darn it his supporters might "revolt" losing all that new found good will. Therefore we will need a "compromise" pick.
Remember this is the "Art of the Deal" guy.
Posted by: William Eaton at November 28, 2016 06:19 PM (MuTTO)
816
"US debtclock - $19.906 Trillion......
"
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Won't get to $20 trillion until after inauguration. The it will roll to $22 trillion in a day and it will be all the new debt trump saddled us with.
You know I'm right.
"
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Won't get to $20 trillion until after inauguration. The it will roll to $22 trillion in a day and it will be all the new debt trump saddled us with.
You know I'm right.
Posted by: Jukin,The Deplorable & Profoundly Unserious at November 28, 2016 06:30 PM (cOHS7)
817
NGU, I heard that this morning on Fox. Just like the military and the police. When the population is running away to hide, those are the men who run to the sound of the guns.
Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at November 28, 2016 06:30 PM (9iR5/)
818
Jill Stein is in good shape, as befit a dedicated runner (which she is), but she doesn't look like she has a rack at all.
Posted by: MTF at November 28, 2016 06:39 PM (sCBEO)
819
Romney, Schmomney
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