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Failing and Flailing, Glenn Beck Tries Courting the Leftwing Press He Used to Oppose
Lloyd Grove's piece is well worth reading.
Struggling radio, video and internet entrepreneur Glenn Beck, who has styled himself as a conservative firebrand and sworn enemy of the liberal media, seems to have done an about-face and is now ardently courting the journalistic outlets he previously had little use for. "I think a lot of people are going to be turning to him after the election to ask what role he can play in the reconciliation within the Republican party and between the parties," said one of Beck’s business associates, explaining why the right-wing radio jock and former Fox News rabble-rouser has been plying his trade in hostile territory, cooperating with profiles for Rolling Stone and Vice News. Beck has also started showing up on MSNBC and at The New York Times, where he recently contributed an Op-Ed essay urging }empathy" for Black Lives Matter protesters, whom he described as "decent, hardworking, patriotic Americans." ...There are very few conservative commentators, it turns out, who actually believed the things they've been saying for 15 years. I was pretty shocked to read Matthew Continetti writing about populism the other day. Continetti came to my attention with his well-written pieces on the insular and inbred media-political culture, channeling populist resentments against a detached and self-serving elite in a drolly vicious style. Continetti is, actually, one of the leaders of the new wave of populist rejection of a semi-pseudo-aristocratic ruling elite. I say "semi-pseudo" because there is in fact an aristocracy, in all but name. Or he at least was the most literate avatar of that movement. Now he's given to saying things like this.
And he also taped a congenial interview with PBS's Charlie Rose show, finally accepting an invitation from Rose, who also co-hosts CBS This Morning and contributes pieces to 60 Minutes, that he has consistently declined over the past five years. "Is there an evolution in Glenn Beck?" the ever-sensitive Rose gently asked his guest. "I hope so, Charlie," Beck replied. "I know you do," Rose affirmed, "and you’re a growing and evolving human being." "He is very kind, fair and I believe perhaps the best place a man can actually have a real conversation and think deeply and thoughtfully beyond the sound byte [sic]," Beck later gushed on Facebook.
The attacks on National Review, on George Will, on conservatives with elite educations, on conservatives granted legitimacy by mainstream institutions is a replay of the New Right rhetoric of the 1970s. Names have been added to the list of Republicans in Name Only, of false, cuckolded conservatives, but the battle lines are the same. On the one hand are the effete intellectuals based on the East Coast, shuttling up and down the Acela corridor, removed from the suffering of the average American, ignorant of the social issues, amenable to social engineering, fat and happy on a diet of foundation grants, magazine sinecures, think tank projects, speaking engagements.Note this is more-or-less how Continetti himself depicted the insular overclass in such pieces as "Love in the Time of Obama." Now he says of such "adversariansm," as he calls it (assumedly irrational and hate-based opposition to the Eastern monied establishmet):
Republicans have walked this tightrope for decades. When the party has integrated the issues, goals, and tactics of the New Right into its campaigns, it has been remarkably successful. Think 1968, 1972, 1980, 1984, 1994, 2010, and 2014. But there also have been signs, on the presidential level most clearly, that the alliance with populism is bringing diminishing returns. The GOP is on the brink of losing the popular vote in six out of seven presidential elections despite its current nominee running precisely the type of campaign the New Right has wanted to see for years. And this election is likely to return to office a Republican House majority that is more anti-Establishment, more hostile to compromise, more suspicious of institutions and elites than the one we have today. This is the crisis of the conservative intellectual. After years of aligning with, trying to explain, sympathizing with the causes, and occasionally ignoring the worst aspects of populism, he finds that populism has exiled him from his political home. He finds the détente between conservatism and populism abrogated. His models—Buckley, Burnham, Will, Charles Murray, Yuval Levin--are forgotten, attacked, or ignored by a large part of the conservative infrastructure they helped to build. He finds the prospect of a reform conservatism that adds to our strengths while ameliorating our weaknesses to be remarkably dim. Such conservatism has exactly two spokesmen in the Senate. It has a handful of allies in the House and states. From the Panama Canal to the Tea Party, from Phyllis Schlafly to Sarah Palin, the conservative intellectual has viewed the New Right as a sometimes annoying but ultimately worthy friend. New Right activists supplied the institutions, dollars and votes that helped the conservative intellectual reform tax, crime, welfare, and legal policy.Yes, the "New Right" -- actually the Garbage People Base of the GOP -- provided the dollars and manpower to give the elite class the power to do things the base never asked them to do, and, in fact, were often explicitly promised they would not do. Like attempting to pass amnesty three or four times. This is how I read that: Continetti was glad to rake the coals and warm the fire of "adversariansm" when he and his cronies could channel popular resentment towards their own list of priorities, rather than the priorities of the people whose support they had cadged out of them to get themselves into positions of power to betray that trust. Now that people have gotten hip to that particular shuck and jive ace, and won't have their anger stoked over specific issues only to see the GOP drop those issues like a dead rat the day after the election, populism has revealed itself as a racist, repulsive cancer that must be excised. He ends by saying conservatives might have to give up "adversarianism" and simply accommodate themselves to the permanent welfare state -- but haven't they done that in fact, long ago?
We might have to reject adversarianism, to accept the welfare state as an objective fact, to rehabilitate Burnham's vision of a conservative-tinged Establishment capable of permeating the managerial society and gradually directing it in a prudential, reflective, virtuous manner respectful of both freedom and tradition. This is the challenge of the moment. This is the crisis of the conservative intellectual.Conservative-tinged. Tinged! O God, dare I merely dream of such a delirious triumph? Oddly, a writer calling for an accommodation with the large and perpetually growing welfare state also seems to find that the "adversarianists" just aren't conservative enough. I guess I sort of liked Matthew Continetti better when he was playing artfully -- that is, in the Shakespearean sense of "deceitfully" -- to the resentments of egalitarians against the unaccountably-smug-in-the-face-of-their-own-failures elite, rather than now, when he honestly reveals he was just sort of stoking those fires to feed the engines of the establishment. Anyway, a lot of people just seem to be admitting the flat-out never believed the bullshit they've been saying for most of their lives. I guess I'm one of the saps. Meanwhile, two Roman Dynasties seem to have formed an alliance -- George P. Bush reveals, unsurprisingly, that his Connecticut-born-and-bred uncle George W. Bush may in fact be voting for dear family friend Hillary Clinton. Let this be our last Bush in high elected office -- ever. At least elected on the "conservative" side. There's an Obamaesque plaintiveness to all this whining. One can hear the very pronounced theme, These noisome, repulsive ingrates just aren't educated enough to understand all the Wonders we have accomplished for them (and our corporate patrons). As I've asked, rhetorically, a hundred times: How many times did you expect run-on-border-security-propose-amnesty-three-months-after-the-election play would work? Even the stupidest people on earth eventually get wise to the same con the fifth election cycle in a row it's run on them. I guess the GOP base disappoints the party "intellectuals" as the American public disappoints Obama. They're not quite smart enough to believe these people's apparent failures are actually Beautiful Victories in Disguise, but have gotten a little too smart to keep believing the same con every two to four years. Such is the unhappy, middle-to-low-brow lot of a GOP commoner: Too stupid to truly understand like the elites do, but not quite stupid enough to happily go along with the ruse any longer. Good times. Honestly. The truth is always a good thing, and we seem to be getting the truth is very large doses this year. It goes down bitter, but like medicine, it'll do you good.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Slash_buzz at November 02, 2016 06:25 PM (caNqy)
Posted by: Slash_buzz at November 02, 2016 06:26 PM (caNqy)
Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at November 02, 2016 06:26 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: deplorable donna at November 02, 2016 06:27 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 02, 2016 06:28 PM (NbJXF)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 02, 2016 06:28 PM (iONHu)
Posted by: Cn at November 02, 2016 06:28 PM (wczgi)
Yikes, the City of Milwaukee looks like it will break the 2012 record for early voters.
Ground game and GOTV matters.
Posted by: Couldtrumpreallywin at November 02, 2016 06:27 PM (zyvjC)
Hill must being paying more than the usual $10.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 02, 2016 06:28 PM (NbJXF)
Posted by: deplorable donna at November 02, 2016 06:29 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I AM SPARTACUS! at November 02, 2016 06:29 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Couldtrumpreallywin at November 02, 2016 06:27 PM (zyvjC)
You're welcome.
Posted by: Dead Yet Eligible Voters at November 02, 2016 06:29 PM (EIB5Y)
Posted by: deplorable donna at November 02, 2016 06:29 PM (O2RFr)
....but I'd blow Mark Zuckerberg for money.
Posted by: Glenn Beck wearing a Cheetos stained Blaze t-shirt at November 02, 2016 06:29 PM (lRwmz)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 02, 2016 06:30 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 02, 2016 06:28 PM (iONHu)
What does that to be people? How can you be normal one minute and status post liberal lobotomy the next?
Posted by: Cn at November 02, 2016 06:30 PM (wczgi)
Posted by: #NeverHillary - #SchlongerTogether at November 02, 2016 06:30 PM (6RZuW)
Isn't all of politics and political science basically the delicate art of whining "Why won't these stupid rubes listen to MeEEeEEee!"? Hasn't it always been thus?
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 06:31 PM (sK2fh)
But he keeps apologizing for something--not sure what--I guess for being too harsh on the other side. The other day even Pat was telling him he needed to quit the shit, right on air.
Posted by: stace at November 02, 2016 06:31 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: deplorable donna at November 02, 2016 06:31 PM (O2RFr)
He's prone to about faces, such as when he converted from Catholicism to the Mormon faith. And then on his radio show proceeded to trash his former religion with similar slurs that are routinely levelled against Mormons.
The boy is not stable.
Posted by: kallisto at November 02, 2016 06:31 PM (nNdYv)
Posted by: Spook Beckman at November 02, 2016 06:31 PM (FXW24)
Posted by: Max Power at November 02, 2016 06:31 PM (q177U)
Posted by: SMOD Keeper at November 02, 2016 06:32 PM (onq2p)
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Sounds better than, "Bend over and spread them, 'cuz you're picking up the tab!"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I AM SPARTACUS! at November 02, 2016 06:32 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: IC at November 02, 2016 06:32 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 02, 2016 06:32 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at November 02, 2016 06:32 PM (0O7c5)
Minus the 'conservative' part, that reads exactly like your average Leftist's claim to bona fides to rule the US. The naked presumptive hubris is just too much.
It's weird to see the GOP turn into the stuff of RuPaul's fever dreams.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2016 06:32 PM (v4Dtx)
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Posted by: Amy Schumer at November 02, 2016 06:32 PM (Nox3c)
Posted by: IC at November 02, 2016 06:32 PM (a0IVu)
Incontinetti.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 02, 2016 06:32 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 02, 2016 06:33 PM (cJrMO)
OT: TRUMP RAPED ME conference cancelled due to low ticket sales.
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Low ticket sales and ANONYMOUS, but mostly low ticket sales...
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 06:33 PM (zu88C)
That's how much they want some sort of Grand Amnesty, to the point where they are willing to blow it all up if they can't get their way.
Wouldn't it have been far easier to just NOT try an Amnesty every 2 years than this?
Posted by: Maritime at November 02, 2016 06:33 PM (P6b5h)
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This was probably the goal all along, schedule a press conference, then claim she couldn't come forward because Trump threatened her.
Posted by: #NeverHillary - #SchlongerTogether at November 02, 2016 06:33 PM (6RZuW)
It's an annoying trait of the left to assume that those who oppose you aren't merely disagreeing, aren't merely wrong, but are doing it for ulterior motives. Maybe you'd convert more people if you'd take them at their word and argue based on that.
Posted by: AD at November 02, 2016 06:33 PM (4oV5u)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 02, 2016 06:28 PM (iONHu)
Eh, not full on. He still hates Hillary.
Posted by: stace at November 02, 2016 06:33 PM (ozZau)
OT: TRUMP RAPED ME conference cancelled due to low ticket sales.
They didn't do it?
Posted by: deplorable donna at November 02, 2016 06:31 PM (O2RFr)
michael medved was all hot for that .......he'll be so disappointed
Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at November 02, 2016 06:33 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Mark1971 at November 02, 2016 06:33 PM (gdnq1)
Posted by: Nick in South Bend at November 02, 2016 06:33 PM (a7FXx)
Posted by: steevy at November 02, 2016 06:33 PM (r/0kC)
Perfect Ace. THIS.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'America just needs more cowbell! at November 02, 2016 06:34 PM (ZKlDy)
Glenn Beck post nomination and media empire collapse: Hey! Hillary's not so bad! Watch me service her with this strap-on!
Posted by: Landofskybluewater at November 02, 2016 06:34 PM (lRwmz)
Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2016 06:34 PM (sWbjH)
Posted by: deplorable donna at November 02, 2016 06:34 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: stace at November 02, 2016 06:33 PM (ozZau)
not enough to keep her out of office
Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at November 02, 2016 06:34 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 06:34 PM (/tuJf)
What I find really interesting about him is the fact that he thinks somehow the guys like Ted Cruz voting for Trump are not up holding their values.
My values are beating the left and Trump is the only one running for president that can do that.
Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 02, 2016 06:34 PM (R5HRU)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 02, 2016 06:34 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 02, 2016 06:35 PM (PY9jH)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 02, 2016 06:35 PM (0F67M)
He never seemed stable to me either. I hated when he'd cry.
Posted by: CaliGirl at November 02, 2016 06:35 PM (Q5Ymk)
What the hell does all that pseudointellectual claptrap even mean?
CS Lewis explained true intellect by saying a really smart person can make the complex simple and understandable. Not the other way around.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 02, 2016 06:35 PM (39g3+)
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BTW, feminists should ponder over the wisdom of weaponizing sex abuse claims for no other purpose than to bring down people they don't like.
Posted by: #NeverHillary - #SchlongerTogether at November 02, 2016 06:35 PM (6RZuW)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at November 02, 2016 06:35 PM (ZKlDy)
Posted by: PaleRider at November 02, 2016 06:35 PM (dkExz)
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 06:36 PM (zu88C)
"Clinton Foundation investigation has now taken a 'very high priority'."
I just came in....anyone have any more details on this?
Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 02, 2016 06:36 PM (Enq6K)
Yep I remember that. I will say I do appreciate Beck for his progressive hunting and Black founding fathers segments.
Changed my life.
Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 02, 2016 06:36 PM (R5HRU)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 02, 2016 06:36 PM (Pby3z)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at November 02, 2016 06:36 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: wth at November 02, 2016 06:36 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Grump928(C)
It was effectively dead in 2008.
This is just the death rattle.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2016 06:36 PM (v4Dtx)
:::picks nose in right field:::
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at November 02, 2016 06:36 PM (y4z4z)
What I find really interesting about him is the fact that he thinks somehow the guys like Ted Cruz voting for Trump are not up holding their values.
My values are beating the left and Trump is the only one running for president that can do that.
Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 02, 2016 06:34 PM (R5HRU)
Not just because I am a diehard Cruz guy, but if I was an average conservative voter, I'd have infinitely more respect for Cruz than for the knuckleheads who are all high and mighty and will vote Hillary.
Fuck them. They are the enemy. Every bit as much as a Democrat.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 02, 2016 06:36 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Someassholestolemypen at November 02, 2016 06:37 PM (J/Lk+)
Posted by: IC at November 02, 2016 06:37 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: Bombay Blue Sapphire Gin at November 02, 2016 06:37 PM (BbkFr)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 02, 2016 06:36 PM (mbhDw)
Actually, I'd say they are worse than a dem.
Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 02, 2016 06:37 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 02, 2016 06:37 PM (dELE3)
He never seemed stable to me either. I hated when he'd cry.
Posted by: CaliGirl at November 02, 2016 06:35 PM (Q5Ymk)
It just means he's sensitive and he cares.
*hic!*
Posted by: John Boner at November 02, 2016 06:38 PM (ZKlDy)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 02, 2016 06:38 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Kreplach at November 02, 2016 06:38 PM (+lv+r)
Brett Baier was saying that a source told him this but the FBI is not going on record. It does sound as if they've found some new emails never seen before and some level of classified info.
Not much other detail.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 06:38 PM (/tuJf)
This is just the death rattle.
We joke about that but, in fact, the Republicans are at the height of their power in my lifetime outside of Washington. And they're not that bad off inside either.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 02, 2016 06:38 PM (0F67M)
Ever.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 02, 2016 06:38 PM (NdM46)
So there's a method to his madness, unfortunately all it proved is that he sold out his conservative values for money.
Posted by: #NeverHillary - #SchlongerTogether at November 02, 2016 06:38 PM (6RZuW)
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 02, 2016 06:38 PM (FYrz1)
Reach out and grab all 1.75L of me!
Posted by: Bombay Blue Sapphire Gin at November 02, 2016 06:37 PM (BbkFr)
"Up yours, troll!"
- - Val-U-Rite
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 02, 2016 06:38 PM (mbhDw)
Changed my life.
Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 02, 2016 06:36 PM (R5HRU)
Beck had some good moments on Fox, but I have to say -- I occasionally catch a few minutes of his radio show on my commute and he's... he's a complete nut.
The man has absolutely lost it. If he ever had it. I think people were willing to overlook his nuttiness when we agreed with him, but now that he's wandered in to... uncharted territories, he's just... a nut.
He's seriously going to lose everything -- radio, tv, webpage, etc., because he is a fundamentally unstable human being.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 02, 2016 06:39 PM (cJrMO)
This fetish of "who's the most pure conservative" over the last few decades almost seems silly when we look at who was scoring it.
Posted by: Maritime at November 02, 2016 06:39 PM (P6b5h)
sparkling water
Xanax
Valium
Posted by: wth at November 02, 2016 06:36 PM (HgMAr)
Hey!
Posted by: 1 lb. of blow at November 02, 2016 06:39 PM (ZKlDy)
Prager has talked about those people before and with each passing day he understands them less and less. I don't disagree and all this is a shame because of some people I really respect and enjoy are #NeverTrumpers
Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 02, 2016 06:39 PM (R5HRU)
Posted by: Landofskybluewater at November 02, 2016 06:39 PM (lRwmz)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 02, 2016 06:39 PM (cJrMO)
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 02, 2016 06:38 PM (FYrz1)
We've always known
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 02, 2016 06:39 PM (dELE3)
Posted by: Bill Glenn at November 02, 2016 06:39 PM (8TdcF)
election to ask what role he can play in the reconciliation within the
Republican party and between the parties,"
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. No.
Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at November 02, 2016 06:39 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I AM SPARTACUS! at November 02, 2016 06:39 PM (Nwg0u)
Every parliamentary system works like this, it always in the end breaks down to 2 parties, even though they have a lot of names. They form opposing coalitions and battle as a unit. The US is just more honest about it.
But the GOP is falling to pieces because parts of it hate the other parts and are letting it show.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 02, 2016 06:40 PM (39g3+)
Thomas Sowell is an excellent example of that principle.
Posted by: CaliGirl at November 02, 2016 06:40 PM (Q5Ymk)
Looks like Beck won't be spending another $20,000 to have his mansion
decorated for Christmas this year (as he bragged about last year).
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 02, 2016 06:35 PM (PY9jH)
he keeps tooting his horn about how wonderful he is to his employees regarding their health insurance.....forgetting to mention how many former employee lives he f'd up...after they uprooted their lives to follow him only to be let go because he didn't manage his finances
Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at November 02, 2016 06:40 PM (0O7c5)
this but the FBI is not going on record. It does sound as if they've
found some new emails never seen before and some level of classified
info.
Not much other detail.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 06:38 PM (/tuJf)
These new e-mails....are they from the Weiner laptop or some new source?
Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 02, 2016 06:40 PM (Enq6K)
sparkling water
Xanax
Valium
Posted by: wth at November 02, 2016 06:36 PM (HgMAr)
It's important to add some tigan so you don't puke it up and ruin the outcome
Posted by: Cn at November 02, 2016 06:40 PM (wczgi)
New and hot: run-on-repeal-Obamacare-immediately-after-the-election-keep-funding-Obamacare
Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 02, 2016 06:41 PM (hqqM5)
Posted by: Someassholestolemypen at November 02, 2016 06:41 PM (J/Lk+)
claim she couldn't come forward because Trump threatened her.
Bait to try to get Trump to say something stupid?
Posted by: dartist at November 02, 2016 06:41 PM (ce4zT)
68 I can help you, Glenn!
Reach out and grab all 1.75L of me!
Posted by: Bombay Blue Sapphire Gin at November 02, 2016 06:37 PM (BbkFr)
"Up yours, troll!"
- - Val-U-Rite
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
GASP!
Clearly, a man of Quantity and not Quality.
Posted by: Bombay Blue Sapphire Gin at November 02, 2016 06:41 PM (BbkFr)
His ratings might go up.
Posted by: wth at November 02, 2016 06:41 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 02, 2016 06:39 PM (cJrMO)
When those moments were good they were REALLY good IMO.
Dude when focused could really knock shit out of the park.
Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 02, 2016 06:41 PM (R5HRU)
This fetish of "who's the most pure conservative" over the last few decades almost seems silly when we look at who was scoring it.
Posted by: Maritime at November 02, 2016 06:39 PM (P6b5h)
I've always hated the term "conservative" anyways. I'm not "conservative."
I'm a hardcore liberty-loving, individualist "liberal" (in the old sense of the word.
There is nothing "conservative" (in the dictionary sense) about me.
"Libertarian" kind of fits, but most professional libertarians are liberals who (selectively) want a slightly smaller government. So that label doesn't really fit either.
I don't know.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 02, 2016 06:42 PM (cJrMO)
They came from Weiner's laptop.
I feel dirty writing that.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 06:42 PM (/tuJf)
Despite my relative inability to express myself in message board posts, I actually spent a lot of my youth surrounded by Intellectuals. I've been to their parties, ate in their Virginia mansions, gone to their conferences. With very few exceptions, they are all the same. Aloof, bored, 'above-it-all' with no clear idea of cause and affect or incentives.
There are two classes: the elite (self declared mostly) and the masses. For a couple hundred years, we did a good job keeping the former down. But it is getting to be about time for the tree of liberties natural manure. Trim those hedges.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 02, 2016 06:42 PM (NdM46)
https://tinyurl.com/j4w889b
Posted by: The Barrel at November 02, 2016 06:42 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: steevy at November 02, 2016 06:42 PM (r/0kC)
Some times he was funny, I can still hear stu and the other guy singing when the democrats lost congress.
Posted by: CaliGirl at November 02, 2016 06:42 PM (Q5Ymk)
Dude when focused could really knock shit out of the park.
Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 02, 2016 06:41 PM (R5HRU)
Brief moments of lucidity, in retrospect.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 02, 2016 06:42 PM (cJrMO)
We know the GOPe think we're idiots, but when you look at the Podesta emails and the Clinton base-pandering you get a peek at the accuracy of Noonan's remark from the other side.
Posted by: JEM at November 02, 2016 06:42 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
It means he wants to give up the charade that the GOP was a party that wanted to stop the growth of government and pretty much give into every big government program because they are educated and wise, while you are stupid and unworthy.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2016 06:42 PM (v4Dtx)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 02, 2016 06:36 PM (Pby3z)
Yep. Perhaps not every individual, but people in every camp are running cons--the people Ace has been bitching about, and also some of the early media Trump supporters because Trump was boffo for ratings. $$$
Plus of course all the people who ran tea party scams.
Posted by: stace at November 02, 2016 06:43 PM (ozZau)
His ratings might go up.
Posted by: wth at November 02, 2016 06:41 PM (HgMAr)
I got this...Yeah..no.
Posted by: 1 lb. of blow at November 02, 2016 06:43 PM (ZKlDy)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Here's the thing though, I really believe it's like 1% of the GOP that's causing all the problems lately. It's not nearly as broad a schism as the media wants you to believe.
Posted by: Maritime at November 02, 2016 06:43 PM (P6b5h)
Posted by: Maritime at November 02, 2016 06:39 PM (P6b5h)
I got a survey from the Trump campaign, they asked how I identified myself politically, my reply: I don't even know anymore.
Probably the correct answer (for me was): severe anti-Commie
Posted by: kallisto at November 02, 2016 06:43 PM (nNdYv)
Posted by: Insomniac - I Wanna Be Sedated at November 02, 2016 06:43 PM (0mRoj)
election to ask what role he can play in the reconciliation within the Republican party and between the parties,"
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There are two possibilities.
1) Trump wins in which case this ain't happening.
2) Trump loses in which case this ain't happening.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I AM SPARTACUS! at November 02, 2016 06:43 PM (Nwg0u)
GLENN BECK NAMED HIS GOLD FISH TRUMP AND THEN ATE IT
I FART WITH MY PANTS DOWN
MARK LEVIN SHOVED THE CONSTITUTION UP MY TUSH AND I LIKED IT
Posted by: #NeverHillary - #SchlongerTogether at November 02, 2016 06:43 PM (6RZuW)
ace, don't concede the grotesque redefinition of terms here.
"Populist". There's nothing remotely dodgy, or suspect, or emotional, about any of the key, actual policy issues on which these non-elite elites have beclowned themselves.
Amnesty is stupid, it's indefensibly stupid. The status quo is indefensibly stupid. High levels of immigration, considering economic and social realities, is indefensibly stupid. Nothing "populist" about being intelligent and informed enough to recognize that amnesty and immigration insanity (historically unprecedented in modern history, save for very recently in the EU, where it is a festival of disaster) are - stupid.
Racism and race-baiting, one of the only remaining pillars of the Dem party and the media/govt./judicial/entertainment complex that is an extension of that party, are the "populist" scourges.
There's nothing "populist" about minimally intelligent and prudent policy on border security, immigration, fiscal solvency, and rule of law.
These are not even "conservative" things - except in the unrecognizably distorted world we have now where common sense things actually supported by large super-majorities were first down-defined as "conservative", and now, in a panic, "populist".
Posted by: rhomboid at November 02, 2016 06:43 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at November 02, 2016 06:43 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 02, 2016 06:43 PM (FYrz1)
This could be sufficient basis for an arrest warrant on Huma and Weiner, which would be Comey's strongest play.
If it weren't for the political sensitivity, wouldn't this happen as a matter of routine. Bring 'em in, set some bail, seize their passports, get an order that they're not to use any electronic devices, the violation of which they lose their bail.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 02, 2016 06:44 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 02, 2016 06:44 PM (NdM46)
Glenn Beck
I can never walk past a carved door to an old, big public library without stopping to decode teh secret Masonic message that, somehow, tells me to buy gold ... or drink more ovaltine.
Depends on the library.
Depends on the door.
~ sigh ~
Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 02, 2016 06:44 PM (uhftQ)
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I think that problem is that the 1% of the GOP that's causing the problems just happen to be the elected officials in DC.
Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 02, 2016 06:44 PM (hqqM5)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
It means he wants to give up the charade that the GOP was a party that wanted to stop the growth of government and pretty much give into every big government program because they are educated and wise, while you are stupid and unworthy.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2016 06:42 PM (v4Dtx)
You looking for a gig?
Posted by: Cliff Notes at November 02, 2016 06:44 PM (ZKlDy)
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 02, 2016 06:44 PM (N9gZs)
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 02, 2016 06:44 PM (CNHr1)
Posted by: The Deplorable Cookie Man at November 02, 2016 06:44 PM (xq6PG)
Wikileaks should expose just one to scare straight the other Republicans.
Posted by: Decaf at November 02, 2016 06:45 PM (8zHLN)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 02, 2016 06:45 PM (Pby3z)
an objective fact, to rehabilitate Burnham's vision of a
conservative-tinged Establishment capable of permeating the managerial
society and gradually directing it in a prudential, reflective, virtuous
manner respectful of both freedom and tradition.
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He sher do talk purty, Pa.
Posted by: grammie winger -for Ernie, Santo, Fergie, Ryne, Dawson, Sutcliffe and Grandma at November 02, 2016 06:45 PM (bpfzP)
I feel dirty writing that.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 06:42 PM (/tuJf)
Yeah, I did too. Heading for the shower.....
Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 02, 2016 06:45 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: steevy
Leftists with cravats and bow ties.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2016 06:45 PM (v4Dtx)
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I'm buy curious. I'm curious to know what it would be like to be able to buy something again.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I AM SPARTACUS! at November 02, 2016 06:45 PM (Nwg0u)
Continued to watch for a while when he made the switch to Fox. You could tell he was always a little "off" but seemed harmless.
Then there were the crying jags and him talking of suffering and potentially dying from some mysterious illness. That's about when I walked away.
Then the teddy bears...oh the teddy bears. It's too bad that Ted Cruz embraced the Glenn Beck love. I really think Glenn was a drag on him during the primary.
Posted by: Landofskybluewater at November 02, 2016 06:45 PM (lRwmz)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 02, 2016 06:46 PM (dELE3)
Beck must have more security than the President.
He used to be friends with Marcus Luttrell, who supports Trump. I can't imagine Marcus understands WTF is up with him, or wants to be around him.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 02, 2016 06:46 PM (PY9jH)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at November 02, 2016 06:46 PM (hBig8)
I guess for rock-ribbed conservatism, I'll have to stick with Medved.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 02, 2016 06:45 PM (Pby3z)
medved? lol
Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at November 02, 2016 06:46 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: UGAdawg at November 02, 2016 06:46 PM (HL3BI)
GLENN BECK NAMED HIS GOLD FISH TRUMP AND THEN ATE IT
I FART WITH MY PANTS DOWN
MARK LEVIN SHOVED THE CONSTITUTION UP MY TUSH AND I LIKED IT
Posted by: #NeverHillary - #SchlongerTogether at November 02, 2016 06:43 PM (6RZuW)
Hey those are quite good.
*scribbles on pad*
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'America just needs more cowbell!" at November 02, 2016 06:46 PM (ZKlDy)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 02, 2016 06:46 PM (Pby3z)
Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 02, 2016 06:46 PM (R5HRU)
Suddenly, many things become perfectly clear.
Posted by: alexthechick - GO TRIBE! at November 02, 2016 06:46 PM (dEQP3)
They never destroyed the laptops so now they can compare and see if they lied.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 06:46 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: steevy at November 02, 2016 06:47 PM (r/0kC)
Posted by: Nick Kashka at November 02, 2016 06:47 PM (g9d8D)
Posted by: shibumi
It's unfortunately the leadership.
I'll say this to be intellectually honest, Trump the person and his history is causing more issues for these people than what he is advocating.
If say Jeff Sessions had been our nominee with the same platform, I don't think there would be as much mutiny.
At the same time, the last Republican that was close to Trump was Pat Buchanan, and the Establishment tarred and feathered him for getting even close to being the nominee.
Posted by: Maritime at November 02, 2016 06:47 PM (P6b5h)
Posted by: alexthechick - GO TRIBE! at November 02, 2016 06:46 PM (dEQP3)
kristol clear.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at November 02, 2016 06:47 PM (0O7c5)
Then the teddy bears...oh the teddy bears. It's
too bad that Ted Cruz embraced the Glenn Beck love. I really think Glenn
was a drag on him during the primary.
Posted by: Landofskybluewater at November 02, 2016 06:45 PM (lRwmz)
I was a Cruz supporter, but his constant kissing of Beck's ring pissed me off.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 02, 2016 06:47 PM (PY9jH)
He was born in CT, while his dad was at Yale, then spent some time in TX (and mostly in DC, one would assume), then went to high school in MA, college in CT, grad school in MA, then he picked up a TX accent.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 02, 2016 06:47 PM (cJrMO)
Posted by: Yo! at November 02, 2016 06:48 PM (GwIKd)
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It's isn't, they just have a fuck huge loud megaphone. Most polls show Trump getting the same GOP support Romney got in 2012 or better. It's all noise from the establishment.
BTW, all NeverTrump trolls are Analpundit, who sucks cock by choice.
Posted by: #NeverHillary - #SchlongerTogether at November 02, 2016 06:48 PM (6RZuW)
Posted by: Iblis at November 02, 2016 06:48 PM (rP2JJ)
Posted by: Tuna at November 02, 2016 06:48 PM (JSovD)
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We're rethinking that whole government of the people, by the people, for the people thing.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I AM SPARTACUS! at November 02, 2016 06:48 PM (Nwg0u)
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I've read all kinds of fun and crazy stuff:
-Hillary emailed Huma classified info
-Weiner had a XXX file that shows Hillary and Huma raping a 13 year old girl
-BTW, rumor has it that Fox news just announced here are NEW classified emails that have never been seen before. The Bleachbit bunch?
/Not really sure I'm enjoying life in a third world banana republic...
Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 02, 2016 06:48 PM (hqqM5)
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 02, 2016 06:48 PM (CNHr1)
Posted by: the Butcher at November 02, 2016 06:49 PM (AGJqR)
Posted by: Javems at November 02, 2016 06:49 PM (f4vam)
Posted by: the dude at November 02, 2016 06:49 PM (SyKbw)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 02, 2016 06:49 PM (IqV8l)
Suddenly, many things become perfectly clear.
Posted by: alexthechick - GO TRIBE! at November 02, 2016 06:46 PM (dEQP3)
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Seriously? Ha! What a world, what a world
Posted by: grammie winger -for Ernie, Santo, Fergie, Ryne, Dawson, Sutcliffe and Grandma at November 02, 2016 06:49 PM (bpfzP)
Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 02, 2016 06:49 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: Decaf at November 02, 2016 06:49 PM (8zHLN)
Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 02, 2016 06:49 PM (R5HRU)
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 02, 2016 06:48 PM (CNHr1)
Yes BEFORE there Sunday News shows
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 02, 2016 06:49 PM (dELE3)
He also threw breitbart under the bus. The whole Shirley sherrod affair.
Posted by: CaliGirl at November 02, 2016 06:49 PM (Q5Ymk)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2016 06:50 PM (tBswe)
It's what the 'purist' 'conservatives' want to call anything that's not truly 'conservative' by their standards.
So when you say something like what I've been saying since, oh, 1997 - that free trade is a basis for a trade policy but is not, in itself, a policy - that's 'conservative-tinged'.
When you say that you have immigration laws on the books that can be enforced, and you don't need any 'grand compromise' on immigration, you just need to enforce the fucking laws as they are, that's 'conservative-tinged'.
When you acknowledge that the public needs to be slapped upside the head with a bunch of numbers and education before you can touch their 'entitlements' to do anything about the level of Federal borrowing - that's 'conservative-tinged'.
When you actually get in the interventionists' face and ask them, after a decade and a half of utterly failed 'small wars' and catastrophic Obama foreign policy that's chasing more allies away every day, just WHICH red lines we ought to be drawing before Moscow and Beijing and Tehran, that's 'conservative-tinged'.
Posted by: JEM at November 02, 2016 06:50 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 02, 2016 06:47 PM (PY9jH)
yep.....it cost him the nomination.....imho
Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at November 02, 2016 06:50 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 02, 2016 06:50 PM (Pby3z)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I AM SPARTACUS! at November 02, 2016 06:48 PM (Nwg0u)
Nice...but that is so yesterday AW.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'America just needs more cowbell! at November 02, 2016 06:50 PM (ZKlDy)
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at November 02, 2016 06:50 PM (XI2lq)
It's unfortunately the leadership.
Right, its the people with all the connections, the power, and the money. The voters kicked them in the pills and hard with Trump but that isn't gonna happen again.
But if they lose their membership, what are they left with leadership of?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 02, 2016 06:50 PM (39g3+)
I hope that the needle gets threaded between informing the LIV public of the Clinton corruption but not giving cover for them to demand some kind of do over.
Posted by: PaleRider at November 02, 2016 06:50 PM (dkExz)
Do you Facebook?
I do now. I do. Now.
An old tale tells of the world being placed in the hands of a man with a substantial amount of contributions to his radio show...Have you subscribed to The Blaze ? If Mark Cuban is wrong I don't wanna be right, do you know what I'm saying?
Cashing checks is something I enjoy with my family
*sniff , sob, choke *
WHO WILL SPEAK FOR UNFINISHED HOME IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS?
My country tis of thee...
*sobs uncontrollably *
...
GOLDLINE
Posted by: Glenn Beck in a strait jacket at November 02, 2016 06:50 PM (zu88C)
These are not even "conservative" things - except in the unrecognizably distorted world we have now where common sense things actually supported by large super-majorities were first down-defined as "conservative", and now, in a panic, "populist".
Posted by: rhomboid
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I want to see a candidate from "our" side pull the same BS that lefties do and label himself a "pragmatist". As in "I reject the tired old labels of 'liberal' and 'conservative' that have gotten us in this mess."
We need a good dishonest politician on our side for once.
Posted by: Furious George at November 02, 2016 06:51 PM (77i7V)
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp
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We tried our best, really we did. We knew that you would have to work at it. Perhaps we expected too much.
Posted by: Ben Franklin at November 02, 2016 06:51 PM (hBig8)
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That's what turned me off Cruz, not so much that he wet licked Beck's ass every day, but that it showed just how awful his political instincts were. He should have bear hugged Trump, said Trump is a decent businessman with awesome ideas but had less of a chance of winning because of his controversial history, and hence aligned himself as a mainstream candidate. Instead he went full Jesushead and pandered to the fringe of the fringe super-evangelical-mormon bloc.
Posted by: #NeverHillary - #SchlongerTogether at November 02, 2016 06:51 PM (6RZuW)
Posted by: UGAdawg at November 02, 2016 06:46 PM (HL3BI)
Eh, I don't mind the conspiracy theories TBH. Any reason to distrust / dislike big govt is fine by me.
Not that I agree with them, but hey -- it's a starting point. "Okay, well, lets accept that the govt WAS behind 911. Don't you think it would be better if we had a much smaller govt that wasnt capable of such an act and Herculean cover up?"
(I'll take it where I can get it)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 02, 2016 06:51 PM (cJrMO)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2016 06:50 PM (tBswe)
Because they can't. Most before they left or quietly faded away could only breach about their moral purity
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 02, 2016 06:51 PM (dELE3)
Posted by: ThunderB at November 02, 2016 06:51 PM (+GOlG)
Cancelled due to 'threats'.....
OK then...
Posted by: Don Q., going straight to hell.... at November 02, 2016 06:51 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles
They have principles and if you don't like them, they have others.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 02, 2016 06:52 PM (syGA0)
Posted by: Landofskybluewater at November 02, 2016 06:52 PM (lRwmz)
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at November 02, 2016 06:50 PM (XI2lq)
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Next week? No, they play tonight and then that's it.
Oh. You mean the election. Sorry. Totally discombobulated.
Posted by: grammie winger -for Ernie, Santo, Fergie, Ryne, Dawson, Sutcliffe and Grandma at November 02, 2016 06:52 PM (bpfzP)
Posted by: Iblis at November 02, 2016 06:48 PM (rP2JJ)
This. This. Oh em gee, a thousand times, this.
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 06:52 PM (sK2fh)
I am very doubtful that candidates no one has taken a look at will move enough people to turn out to make a win.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 02, 2016 06:52 PM (Pby3z)
claim she couldn't come forward because Trump threatened her.
Bait to try to get Trump to say something stupid?
.
.
.
.Yep, bait. And this time Trump did not fall for it. He is learning quickly.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 02, 2016 06:52 PM (iONHu)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at November 02, 2016 06:52 PM (0O7c5)
But he decided he was too big for that, and now look at what's going on.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 02, 2016 06:52 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 02, 2016 06:52 PM (N9gZs)
Molly Hemingway, months ago, wrote a good column about how bad both sides are in this. And that didn't even talk about the Democrats. This year is bad, no matter how you slice it. Why adopt an attitude which makes it worse? I've already had to drop NRO from my favorites; please, not here too.
Posted by: George LeS at November 02, 2016 06:53 PM (+TcCF)
Posted by: ThunderB at November 02, 2016 06:53 PM (+GOlG)
Oh my, I forgot about his super secret illness.
Posted by: CaliGirl at November 02, 2016 06:53 PM (Q5Ymk)
George Will says the Republican party needs to "get right" with
minorities. What does that mean?.......
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
It's like grabbing them in the pussy, but with salad tongs.
Posted by: Cobbles at November 02, 2016 06:53 PM (g9d8D)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at November 02, 2016 06:53 PM (kXoT0)
No in his formative years he lived in Midland and Houston. When he was not in school he lived in Texas.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2016 06:53 PM (tBswe)
Posted by: AYOTTE at November 02, 2016 06:51 PM (XzRw1)
yeah we know, we know, gees...
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'America just needs more cowbell! at November 02, 2016 06:53 PM (ZKlDy)
As I posted in the last thread, the craziest thing I've read today is excerpts from a transcript of one of the speeches Hillary gave to Wall Street and refused to release. If you remember, Crazy Uncle Bernie was hammering her to do it.
Now I know why she didn't release at least one. In the speech, she said that hackers were trying to get into the State Dept. email system and State Dept. employees emails "every hour of every day".
She knew that hackers were trying very hard to break in and yet she sent classified and above documents through almost totally insecure networks all the time.
Her level of treachery is just off the charts.
http://tinyurl.com/gsua84r
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 06:53 PM (/tuJf)
...actually pretty optimistic.
Honesty, sunlight, transparency: these are good things, even when not wanted.
Posted by: moviegique at November 02, 2016 06:54 PM (7zeA4)
They moved their families to Texas for Beck, and now he's going off the rails kissing progressive ass.
They're going to miss their hefty paychecks when his empire goes belly up.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 02, 2016 06:54 PM (PY9jH)
Posted by: gm at November 02, 2016 06:54 PM (4ueYo)
Voting for the Republican candidate used to be my default position. Unless I had good reason to oppose a particular candidate, I'd vote Republican.
No more. I'll vote for a Republican if he or she is a particularly good candidate, but otherwise I'll vote against the Republican Party.
Because fuck'em.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 02, 2016 06:54 PM (97XyN)
Those two words pretty much summarize the state of "journalism" today. No talent, no imagination, boot licking lackeys like Glenn Beck should be unemployed.
The highlight of his "career" was when he dissected that ghetto gal Rachel Jeantel's testimony with phrases like "creepy ass cracker" and "azzho lawyers" and "Dats retarded Sir!" to the guffaws of his 2 idiot sidekicks on his show.
It was like a minstrel show from the old timey days....
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 02, 2016 06:54 PM (ej1L0)
That is the reason why Washington is so hell-bent on expanding the population rapidly. They are facing an unresolvable, perhaps existential crisis in the foreseeable future, but can't implement the solution...
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 02, 2016 06:55 PM (bZ7mE)
I'll put in Dennis Prager, so far as I can tell.
Thomas Sowell, who I agree with over 90% of the time.
Bill Whittle, for sure.
My circle nowadays is pretty small. Any others who are consistently small-goverment, pro-individual, pro-Christian (or at least not anti)?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 02, 2016 06:55 PM (NdM46)
Posted by: Glengarry Glenn Beck at November 02, 2016 06:55 PM (LQLeS)
I said here during the GOP capitulations after the Dem rout in 2014 that I thought that the GOP wanted a new base and was going to get it. I (sadly) still think so.
However, i think it will also be lots smaller. If they succeed in putting the dagger into Trump, I'm out. Not that I am particularly in love with the jackass, but bottom line is this......if I had to suck it up and vote for Romney, and McCain (especially) et al, then you have to suck it up and give Trump his best shot.
I fought with you, Ace and many others here heatedly because I did not want to vote for Romney after dicked again and again by the GOP. But in the end, I did it because we are supposed to be a team
If "they" won't bend over when its their turn, my response the next time they come calling (whether for votes, fighting wars, charitable donations..whatever) me response will be "I never knew ye"
Posted by: FITP at November 02, 2016 06:55 PM (Zhh6L)
n a last-minute effort to save Hillary Clintons bid for the White House, Barack Obamas chief adviser, Valerie Jarrett, has urged the president to fire FBI Director James Comey, according to a source close to Jarrett.
Obama and Jarrett are furious with Comey for reopening the FBIs investigation of Hillarys emails just 11 days before the presidential election. They blame Comey for Hillarys alarming slide in the polls.
Valerie argued that Comey was interfering deliberately in the election process and had to be stopped, the source said. The president said he was worried about the consequences of taking such an action the tsunami of outrage that would come his way, and possibly become a major footnote, or worse, in the history of his presidency.
There is also the real possibility that such an action could backfire on the president and result in a Saturday Night Massacre, the source said.
Nonetheless, the president gave orders to convene meetings with his other top advisers over the matter, the source continued. And thats how he and Jarrett left the matter for now.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 02, 2016 06:55 PM (dELE3)
Posted by: MarcusT at November 02, 2016 06:55 PM (emqmE)
Posted by: Yo! at November 02, 2016 06:55 PM (GwIKd)
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Even brain damaged 15 year old dogs can still be taught a trick or two...
Posted by: #NeverHillary - #SchlongerTogether at November 02, 2016 06:56 PM (6RZuW)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
They want their cake and eat it too.
Funny, I just went to a State University, but I figured out it's either Trump or Clinton, only one can win. there isn't a 3rd option.
Not a hard choice for non-Ivy League graduates.
Posted by: Maritime at November 02, 2016 06:56 PM (P6b5h)
Posted by: Bureau of Labor Statistics, as trustworthy as the EPA or the IRS at November 02, 2016 06:56 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at November 02, 2016 06:56 PM (kXoT0)
in or lose next week, this isn't over. Not by a long shot.
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at November 02, 2016 06:50 PM (XI2lq)
Not at all. Expect them, beginning on Wednesday, to tell us what we must do to get back in their good graces -- at the back of the line -- but in their good graces.
Folks, this is the election of 1828 and we are the yawping barbarians who have the effrontry and gall to trod theough their mansions with muddy boots.
War!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at November 02, 2016 06:56 PM (BK3ZS)
Posted by: Kensington at November 02, 2016 06:56 PM (7Kbxu)
Cancelled due to 'threats'.....
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Trump's lawyers drew the spawn of Allred a fairly specific picture of what life looks like for a disbarred attorney?
Posted by: Methos at November 02, 2016 06:56 PM (3Liv/)
Posted by: David Brooks at November 02, 2016 06:56 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2016 06:56 PM (sWbjH)
Having observed enough right wing commentators go through this sorta midlife crisis, I think what happens is that:
1) There's a young guy/gal and who wants to work in media;
2) Available job presents itself, and it's as a right-wing commentator;
3) Guy/Gal takes the job and treats it as a "job" that pays the bills;
4) Eventually guy/gal wants to be on the lefty team with the other cool kids, go to the better parties, be part of the real media (i.e., left wing), and not have to be one of those evil righties in order to get paid.
Posted by: Boots at November 02, 2016 06:56 PM (EBwPV)
Suddenly, many things become perfectly clear.
There are just Caligulan levels of incest up there with the Overlords.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 02, 2016 06:56 PM (0F67M)
That is the reason why Washington is so hell-bent on expanding the population rapidly. They are facing an unresolvable, perhaps existential crisis in the foreseeable future, but can't implement the solution...
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 02, 2016 06:55 PM (bZ7mE)
But that just makes the crash bigger when it happens, barring a realistic rise in the retirement age to at least 70 and probably 75, and *adds racial and cultural friction to the mix*.
What could go wrong? :-(
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 02, 2016 06:57 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
They want those sweet K street jobs for their spouses, kids, idiot brother-in-laws, etc.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at November 02, 2016 06:57 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 06:57 PM (zu88C)
This keeps up she'll be getting into Ol' Sparky territory.
Posted by: dartist at November 02, 2016 06:57 PM (ce4zT)
Ah, one of the favorite tropes of the Left - growth and evolution only occur to those embracing the Necromonger, er, Liberal faith. Because we're all self-haters denying our true nature. Piss on Charlie Rose and his new gimp Beck.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at November 02, 2016 06:57 PM (ppaKI)
Posted by: gm at November 02, 2016 06:57 PM (4ueYo)
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 02, 2016 06:57 PM (PY9jH)
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Wellllll, I don't agree because I think it's much simpler than that.
Dems want population expansion because everyone who comes in will vote full retard democrat: it's a bid to get a permanent majority.
GOP goes along because CHEAP LABOR!!!11eleventy!!
It really is that simple.
Posted by: #NeverHillary - #SchlongerTogether at November 02, 2016 06:58 PM (6RZuW)
Posted by: Maritime at November 02, 2016 06:47 PM (P6b5h)
I think you are wrong on this point.
They would not be AS against Jeff Sessions because HE IS AN INSIDER!
The Washington Cabal of Politicians, Media, and special interests see the OUTSIDER Trump as an existential threat.
Posted by: Don Q., going straight to hell.... at November 02, 2016 06:58 PM (qf6WZ)
Weirdly syncratic on the Roman decline there.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 02, 2016 06:58 PM (0F67M)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 02, 2016 06:28 PM (iONHu)
Eh, not full on. He still hates Hillary."
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How often does he say so? As often as the trolls here?
Posted by: Decaf at November 02, 2016 06:58 PM (8zHLN)
conservatism 101, he was the entry level liberty guy who helped a lot of
people learn things they never would have and understand things that
were never told them before.
...Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
* * * *
But in a schlocky, annoying sort of way, like Hannity, where you come out the other side wrapped in a flag but smelling like warm Bud Lite and Amy Schumer's popcorn farts.
Posted by: Soupsnakes at November 02, 2016 06:58 PM (g9d8D)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2016 06:53 PM (tBswe)
Yes, Midland starting at the age of two, and then Houston. Except for school and presidentin', he's been in TX his while life.
Posted by: stace at November 02, 2016 06:58 PM (ozZau)
On current trajectory, government spending on health care will break the bank long before Social Security.
I used to agree with Paul Ryan-ish proposals on Social Security, but no longer. Not while there's wholesale looting of the public fisc going on.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 02, 2016 06:58 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 06:34 PM (/tuJf)"
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Yes.
Posted by: Decaf at November 02, 2016 06:59 PM (8zHLN)
I kinda feel sorry for Pat and Stu.
They moved their families to Texas for Beck, and now he's going off the rails kissing progressive ass.
They're going to miss their hefty paychecks when his empire goes belly up.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 02, 2016 06:54 PM (PY9jH)
i don't...they have enabled him, he didn't get to where he is without them helping.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at November 02, 2016 06:59 PM (0O7c5)
other top advisers over the matter, the source continued. And thats how
he and Jarrett left the matter for now.
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i wonder if TFG is stupid enough to fire him?
eh, never mind: of course he is.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 02, 2016 06:59 PM (KWUK6)
HILLARY WILL BE ARMED WITH THE STRAPON...ASK BILL AND CHELSEA.
Posted by: R. DUKE at November 02, 2016 06:59 PM (ONH2e)
>> with the Overlords.
It would be much simpler if they'd just fuck their own kids and in three generations they'd be babbling hemophiliac idiots.
Posted by: JEM at November 02, 2016 06:59 PM (TppKb)
Yeah, his campaign failure puzzled me. Pre-election Cruz was pretty much everything I'd want in a candidate. But once the primaries started, he staked out a base and didn't try to go outside of it.
I guess he's one of those who don't improve on greater exposure, but I still trust him to be conservative at least.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 02, 2016 06:59 PM (NdM46)
Ha, yeah, good luck with that.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 02, 2016 06:59 PM (Pby3z)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at November 02, 2016 06:56 PM (BK3ZS)
That's it! The words i've been looking for! From now on, when anyone asks me what I "am" politically, I'll reply, "I, dear Sir or Madam, am a Yawping Barbarian!"
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 06:59 PM (sK2fh)
That is the reason why Washington is so hell-bent on expanding the population rapidly. They are facing an unresolvable, perhaps existential crisis in the foreseeable future, but can't implement the solution...
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 02, 2016 06:55 PM (bZ7mE)
True. Lindsey Graham even brought this up when he was running for president in one of the early debates. He said, "What? Do you want to work until you're 80?" (or something similar).
Europe has the same ideas.
Now, frankly, the problem with that is that:
a) you're just putting off the inevitable -- the welfare state will collapse in on itself eventually
b) there is no evidence that illegal immigrants are a net benefit to the system. In fact, by any reasonable calculation, they're a net drain
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 02, 2016 07:00 PM (cJrMO)
Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2016 07:00 PM (sWbjH)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at November 02, 2016 07:00 PM (0O7c5)
They think we're assholes.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 02, 2016 06:30 PM (mbhDw)
Shorter Ace? Is that like a Mini-Mewok?
Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 02, 2016 07:00 PM (BXC+l)
**************
Here's an interesting tidbit: Not even Allred wanted to take her on as a client, when the Jane Doe whoever she was went lawyer shopping. Her last lawyer before was, lolz, a patent lawyer.
Bloom took her on because she has half the brains her mother (Allred) does, which is not saying much.
Posted by: #NeverHillary - #SchlongerTogether at November 02, 2016 07:00 PM (6RZuW)
I've been saying the the last few years that I could see the Republican Party becoming like the "conservative" parties of Europe. They never question the centralized welfare state; they merely argue that they can manage it better than their political opponents. I didn't expect that it would happen so fast, though.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at November 02, 2016 07:00 PM (sdi6R)
I guess I am an American nationalist.
America and her interests come first.
Posted by: Max Power at November 02, 2016 07:00 PM (q177U)
Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at November 02, 2016 07:00 PM (x4zgf)
full retard democrat: it's a bid to get a permanent majority.
GOP goes along because CHEAP LABOR!!!11eleventy!!
It really is that simple.
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You forgot:
Dems want anyone over 50 with health issues to DIE NOW YOU OLD F*CKER.
We don't have to cash to pay for your cancer treatment, so you're a useless eater.
America belongs to young Muslim Democrats.
/I wish I was joking...
Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 02, 2016 07:00 PM (hqqM5)
As I've asked, rhetorically, a hundred times: How many times did you expect run-on-border-security-propose-amnesty-three-months-after-the-election play would work? Even the stupidest people on earth eventually get wise to the same con the fifth election cycle in a row it's run on them.
Enough. You had more than enough chances, and then some besides.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 02, 2016 07:01 PM (39g3+)
I can't see anyway a whole bunch of people aren't going to jail.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 07:01 PM (/tuJf)
Yes, #NeverTrumpers, You Are In Fact Morally Responsible for the Hillary Clinton Presidency You're Agitating For
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 07:01 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: Grey Fox
I hear that tossed around, but I honestly don't think that's the "math" these people are doing.
It's simply this: The Left wants a new America that is predisposed to vote Democrat, so they ship the 3rd world in by the millions.
the "Right" that is in the pocket of big business wants the slave wages. And some think they are going to get some big boost by going along with an Amnesty that Hispanics will cherish the GOP for over several generations.
I dont think anyone in charge gives a damn about Social Security.
Posted by: Maritime at November 02, 2016 07:01 PM (P6b5h)
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 02, 2016 06:44 PM (N9gZs)
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Ah! I saw that episode back in 2012!
(Don't worry. I won't divulge how it turns out.)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 02, 2016 07:01 PM (Nox3c)
It really is that simple.
Posted by: #NeverHillary - #SchlongerTogether at November 02, 2016 06:58 PM (6RZuW)
When the time comes to hang the capitalists, the GOPee will have provided the underclass with which to do it. Lenin was right after all. :-(
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 02, 2016 07:01 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I AM SPARTACUS! at November 02, 2016 07:01 PM (Nwg0u)
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This was probably the goal all along, schedule a press conference, then claim she couldn't come forward because Trump threatened her."
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If this had worked it would have been a template for future treatment of every Republican or conservative candidate no matter how pure and moral.
Posted by: Decaf at November 02, 2016 07:02 PM (8zHLN)
Now all of a sudden, the finest law enforcement official who ever walked the earth is utterly corrupt and Putin's puppet?
Posted by: #NeverHillary - #SchlongerTogether at November 02, 2016 07:02 PM (6RZuW)
eh, never mind: of course he is.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 02, 2016 06:59 PM (KWUK6)
yes, Obama may fire him. Because Comey was appointed as an ADA (supposed to be a non political job), they can say "he's a Republican appointee and is letting his extreme partisaness interfere with his judgment" or whatever.
No one will say anything.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 02, 2016 07:02 PM (cJrMO)
That is the reason why Washington is so hell-bent on expanding the population rapidly. They are facing an unresolvable, perhaps existential crisis in the foreseeable future, but can't implement the solution...
Tough shit.
If you don't have the balls to deal with the problem, GTFO of the way.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 02, 2016 07:02 PM (Pby3z)
Posted by: DaveA at November 02, 2016 07:02 PM (8J/Te)
....but first let me tell you about Liberty Safes. Perfect for storing your food you order from Food Insurance.
Posted by: Glenn Beck with a grizzled beard and extra long fingernails at November 02, 2016 07:02 PM (lRwmz)
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 02, 2016 07:02 PM (PY9jH)
Posted by: Charlie Rose at November 02, 2016 07:03 PM (qJhUV)
I call this Hispandering. And it is shocking how many GOPee chumps still believe in it in the face of all voting evidence.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 02, 2016 07:03 PM (ujg0T)
On current trajectory, government spending on health care will break the bank long before Social Security.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 02, 2016 06:58 PM (r1fLd)
This. Karl Denninger has said repeatedly that Medicare and Medicaid are the real problems, not Social Security.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at November 02, 2016 07:03 PM (sdi6R)
system while remaining ineligible for SS in their own accounts is
apparently the only solution the folks in Washington can come up with.
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LOL... many of the illegals here w*rk for cash only, and many of the rest use fake or stolen SSNs, from all accounts.
additionally, we have lots of elderly immigrants from Eastern Europe, and i've witnessed them applying for SS cards, which they would only do to draw benefits.
immigration is going to drain the fund faster, not slow it down.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 02, 2016 07:03 PM (KWUK6)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 07:03 PM (/tuJf)
To be fair to him he does ream Hilary and he also had a week long serials talking about how corrupt the Clinton Camp was/is.
Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 02, 2016 07:03 PM (R5HRU)
"I was disgusted by Hillary's answer when she first answered it, and I'm even more so now."
Well, Sanders voter, what do you expect.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 02, 2016 07:03 PM (39g3+)
The Demo plan to import more Democrats voters through immigration has worked and we've reached the tipping point.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp
Have they never heard the story of Frankenstein?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 02, 2016 07:03 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: JackStraw
==
His interview of Lynchmob proved her to be the slime that she is.
Holy smokes
Investigators are 99% sure that at least 5 foreign intelligence services hacked Hillary's little computer science project.
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 07:03 PM (zu88C)
http://tinyurl.com/jjxgq29
*also note the plug for Ace of Spades and our commenters,as he cites Andrew's observation*
He discusses how the elites sit there and say that Trump goes to MS and invites Nigel Farage to speak, and that they doubt that anyone at the rally even knows who Farage is.
Bannon goes on to explain that the talking heads have that 120% wrong. Just as several surveys have shown, Trump (or populist) supporters are BETTER informed than their opponents.
Go read it.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 02, 2016 07:03 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: Kathy Kinsley at November 02, 2016 07:04 PM (c4lKd)
Charlie Rose is such a dumb shit, too.
Ever see Charlie Rose interview Thomas Friedman?
The Stupid is overwhelming. Two shitheads talking like they're solving the world's problems together.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2016 07:04 PM (jmbnl)
Ah, Jarret. That makes sense.
This is all second and third hand but here's the story I heard and it was no shit:
Comey was moving to indict and got 'visited'. (at this point, I'm going to assume Jarret) They explained to him that if he did not drop the investigation into Hilary, and she won, he would go to jail for interfering in an election.
And the rank and file agents were PISSED when he failed to recommend prosecution and swore to leak like a colander.
Might be bullshit, might be Jarret was the one who leaned on Comey.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 02, 2016 07:04 PM (NdM46)
Obama is neck-deep in Hillary's shit.
Catherine just spelled it out.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 02, 2016 07:05 PM (PY9jH)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 07:05 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Maritime at November 02, 2016 07:01 PM (P6b5h)
No, you're missing the big picture here.
If the (ahem) "trust fund" "collapses" on their watch, they will be blamed and that will be the "crises" they have to 'fix" (of course, it's unfixable.)
That's a giant pain in the ballsack for people interested in graft, money, power, and corruption.
So to avoid that, we get amnesty.
It really does drive a lot of this. And what is going on in Europe, too. And it's based on all kinds of false premises.
Now the other stuff - new Dem voters, cheap labor, etc -- that matters to donors and to (some) Dems.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 02, 2016 07:05 PM (cJrMO)
It isn't treachery - she just doesn't work for the US.
Posted by: DaveA at November 02, 2016 07:05 PM (8J/Te)
Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2016 07:05 PM (sWbjH)
Which is why he needs to arrest Huma (and Weiner) now -- to stake it.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 02, 2016 07:06 PM (r1fLd)
Like I profoundly said yesterday: Things Are Being Said That Cannot Be Unsaid this election.
Things will be a lot different on Nov 9th for many many Republicans and their mouth-pieces.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2016 07:06 PM (jmbnl)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 02, 2016 07:06 PM (Pby3z)
Investigators are 99% sure that at least 5 foreign intelligence services hacked Hillary's little computer science project.
Shoulda hired Clock Boy.
Galaxy-class genius, that li'l muzzie imp is!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at November 02, 2016 07:06 PM (BK3ZS)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2016 07:04 PM (jmbnl)
Hey, add some booze, that's my favorite thing to do... but these chuckleheads were dead sober. Kinda sad.
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 07:06 PM (sK2fh)
gods are fake, coffe's bad, and Glen Beck is craaaaazyyyy.
Posted by: Mormon country song at November 02, 2016 07:06 PM (uz/Pv)
Posted by: Janetoo at November 02, 2016 07:06 PM (phNni)
Posted by: Your Majesty at November 02, 2016 07:06 PM (x2rNW)
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yer new at this, aren't you?
/sarc
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 02, 2016 07:07 PM (KWUK6)
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Trump's celebrity status was not the reason, people latched on to him because he espoused one of their most pressing issues - open borders.
Very many Republican primary voters were ready to jump on Scott Walker's train but he refused to utter the magic words.
Posted by: Decaf at November 02, 2016 07:07 PM (8zHLN)
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I don't think Comey can be fired. He can be forced to resign somehow, but the only other way I believe would be impeachment.
Posted by: #NeverHillary - #SchlongerTogether at November 02, 2016 07:07 PM (6RZuW)
Notice it's mostly the writer class. Those who waxed poetically about the virtues of conservatism when it was a popular argument people wanted to hear. Oh yeah, and it earned them a few bucks.
I doubt they ever believed in it, or really understood it. It just gave them a bit of fame and attention. Their alleged intellectual exploration and accolades were more fiction for entertainment than a discovery of the truth.
What is evident to any honest person is that liberalism is a failure. It is simply another type of autocracy enforced by coercion, corruption, organized deceit and outright lies. It uses people only to serve the master and then discards them once no longer useful.
I really hope they enjoy being slaves.
Posted by: MarcusT at November 02, 2016 07:07 PM (emqmE)
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 02, 2016 07:07 PM (CNHr1)
And if they got in it's likely they know Obama's email aliases.
No wonder he is so interested in shutting this thing down.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 07:07 PM (/tuJf)
For me, it was reading Russell Kirk. We don't hear much about him anymore, but for a long time I think he was the leading light of what conservative thought was.
Kirk's thought for me made sense. It made Conservatism work; far more than mindlessly yelling "Stop" to thwart "progress."
Conservatism needs to not fall victim to those twin heresies of progressivism and also libertarianism. Kirk, for me, is the best thinker since Edmund Burke.
If our leaders promoted Kirk instead of power, we wouldn't have this whole GOPe thing.
Posted by: Vanceone at November 02, 2016 07:07 PM (IQzhs)
if alexthechick is on here or lurking - here we go - good luck to your Indians and may the best team win. Let's have fun!
*commences heavy drinking*
Posted by: grammie winger -for Ernie, Santo, Fergie, Ryne, Dawson, Sutcliffe and Grandma at November 02, 2016 07:07 PM (bpfzP)
The Inside Beltway Duoploy Party perverts nixed it & or The White Hats said Lisa honey be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. in other words the White Hats let them kno who has all been to Pedo Island
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 07:07 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: Don Q., going straight to hell.... at November 02, 2016 06:58 PM (qf6WZ)
This is it, The Ruling Class protecting its own, and people like Beck and Incontinentii trying to join said Ruling Class.
Posted by: davidt at November 02, 2016 07:08 PM (XoldI)
Reopen? It was never closed.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 02, 2016 07:08 PM (syGA0)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at November 02, 2016 07:08 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 02, 2016 07:08 PM (Pby3z)
Nope. Walker made a little noise towards immigration restrictions, and had to back off immediately, because the "big donors" yanked his chain.
The "elite" want to stay on the gravy train, and they won't keep their seats by listening to the proles.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 02, 2016 07:08 PM (fVubI)
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 07:08 PM (zu88C)
All 3 are problems and we need to face them.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at November 02, 2016 07:08 PM (y4z4z)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 07:08 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: redc1c4
You'd be amazed how many Koch-funded Republicans will swear up and down that it somehow helps the taxpayer.
Just one data point, every student costs just a school district like $20,000 a year. You really think an illegal immigrant pays anywhere near that a year in his payroll taxes to cover what his family costs the taxpayer?
Posted by: Maritime at November 02, 2016 07:09 PM (P6b5h)
What little Illegals pay into SocSec must be less than what they take out in Medicaid spending, so there's no federal "profit" in bringing in Illegals, even in the short run.
Add in the burden of educating their kids and its an immediate cash drain, but this part is borne by municipalities.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 02, 2016 07:09 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: #neverskankles at November 02, 2016 07:09 PM (ItFcN)
It's obvious somebody leaned on him before. Then, facing a major blow-back from his rank-and-file, resentful of the humiliation handed down from the administration and/or an attack of conscience, he performed his own October surprise.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at November 02, 2016 07:09 PM (ppaKI)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 02, 2016 07:10 PM (89T5c)
He has went full on charles johnson.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 02, 2016 06:28 PM (iONHu)
It is why I called him "Little Glenn Beck Footballs" last week.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at November 02, 2016 07:10 PM (7N6ox)
Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2016 07:10 PM (sWbjH)
I will keep saying this: They are not mad at Trump for his "behavior" and "nasty talk", but because they view him as a crazed traitor to the country club. He is pushing things that go against the interests of the club. That is the real reason they hate him. If he was for free trade, open borders, taking bribes from other club members, and nation building the world...they would love him.
Posted by: William Eaton at November 02, 2016 07:11 PM (MuTTO)
Posted by: Maritime at November 02, 2016 07:11 PM (P6b5h)
If they are...
types...
deletes...
Posted by: SMOD Keeper at November 02, 2016 07:11 PM (onq2p)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 02, 2016 07:12 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at November 02, 2016 07:12 PM (ppaKI)
Posted by: David Venable at November 02, 2016 07:13 PM (btohO)
@dmartosko
Trump w/ messaging I've heard privately from him for 18 months: "I've had a great life, and now I want to give back to the country I love."
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 07:13 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at November 02, 2016 07:13 PM (9iR5/)
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 07:13 PM (zu88C)
Is it purely a result of the 4-4 deadlock thing?
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 07:13 PM (sK2fh)
I will keep saying this: They are not mad at Trump for his "behavior" and "nasty talk", but because they view him as a crazed traitor to the country club.
He is a traitor to his "class", although mist of them wiuld never elevate him to that lofty status.
See: FDR
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at November 02, 2016 07:14 PM (BK3ZS)
STACHE
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 07:13 PM (zu88C)
John Bolton?
Posted by: Insomniac - I Wanna Be Sedated at November 02, 2016 07:14 PM (0mRoj)
The Dems/Media have always been vicious and weve always just had to take it. Remember how they made fun of Santorum and his wife for bringing his deceased newborn home so they could be with her for one night?
NEVER EVER FORGET WHAT VILE SCUMBAGS THE ENTIRE LEFT ARE. Thank God for Donald Trump.
Posted by: Mega at November 02, 2016 07:14 PM (EdXI9)
Posted by: davidt at November 02, 2016 07:14 PM (XoldI)
Hint......in the dick.
Posted by: Glenn Beck wearing a Blaze TV shirt with ripped off sleeves at November 02, 2016 07:14 PM (lRwmz)
Many have noted from the outset that Hillary, Huma, Mills, and several others are almost certainly toast under the Espionage Act, and Public Records Act - not to mention the massive obstruction of justice violations that ensued after March of last year when the illegal communications set-up was revealed.
And this absurd, stupid affirmative action disaster in the WH is also involved, thanks to his alias emails.
I head a head-start, realizing just how mediocre, or worse, so much of the "elite" leadership class was, with close-up familiarity with the players in the Clinton 90s. The Obama crew, unsurprisingly, is even dumber (of course many of them are 90s retreads).
But I understand if people just cannot come to grips with the stupidity, and the low character, of the people actually in power in what had been the greatest country in history. It does remain hard to accept.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 02, 2016 07:14 PM (QDnY+)
Right, he's not firable, he was a senate cofirmation position. He can be "resigned" and it might happen... but that wouldn't fix anything, not for the Democrats.!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 02, 2016 07:14 PM (39g3+)
Law Expert: Donna Brazile, Clinton Campaign May Have Committed a Federal Crime
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 07:15 PM (y3aQB)
$20,000 a year. You really think an illegal immigrant pays anywhere
near that a year in his payroll taxes to cover what his family costs the
taxpayer?
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last time i looked, the LAUSD spent ~$100,000 per student/year.
and they turn out uneducated zombies
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 02, 2016 07:15 PM (KWUK6)
Posted by: David Venable
Wasn't half that poll conducted before the FBI news?
The thing about polls is they are zero sum in the sense that if say 3% of respondents changed their mind, Trump would be in the lead.
In Wisconsin that hasn't gone Republican since Reagan.
Posted by: Maritime at November 02, 2016 07:15 PM (P6b5h)
Which it would be.
The Dem base would love it, no one else would, and Trump would win in a romp.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 02, 2016 07:15 PM (Pby3z)
Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at November 02, 2016 07:13 PM (9iR5/)
I think they'd still try to do it for the votes, but a lot of their rationalizations would be entirely unavailable.
Posted by: Insomniac - I Wanna Be Sedated at November 02, 2016 07:15 PM (0mRoj)
As much as I loathe the Clintons and the Uniparty, I hope the child sex
and pedo ring allegations involving gubmint officials are not true.
If they are...
types...
deletes...
Posted by: SMOD Keeper at November 02, 2016 07:11 PM (onq2p)
i said this morning that i wouldn't want that to be true of my worst enemy.....it's really beyond sick and evil .......sadly....i think it may in fact be true......
Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at November 02, 2016 07:15 PM (0O7c5)
Sadly, the only people who will know in full the shit the Clintons and Obamas are neck deep in, are the viewers of Fox.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 02, 2016 07:15 PM (PY9jH)
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And a little truth crept in.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I AM SPARTACUS! at November 02, 2016 07:16 PM (Nwg0u)
No, he can be fired by the President.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 07:16 PM (/tuJf)
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I don't think Comey can be fired. He can be forced to resign somehow, but the only other way I believe would be impeachment.
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.I thought he served at the pleasure of the President, but I could be wrong.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 02, 2016 07:16 PM (iONHu)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 02, 2016 07:16 PM (BS8yt)
Posted by: andycanuck at November 02, 2016 07:16 PM (xIunr)
Posted by: grammie winger -for Ernie, Santo, Fergie, Ryne, Dawson, Sutcliffe and Grandma at November 02, 2016 07:16 PM (bpfzP)
Bloom law firm site still down.
Thank God the 21c warriors are on our side. The commiecrats have been fighting like crippled dinosaurs, giant reptiles flailing their huge tails and subduing whatever stood in their path. This method worked for a while, but in their hubris they seemed to forget...technology.
Posted by: kallisto at November 02, 2016 07:16 PM (nNdYv)
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 07:17 PM (zu88C)
realistic rise in the retirement age to at least 70 and probably 75, and
*adds racial and cultural friction to the mix*.
Never said they were right. It does, however, put off the crash until they themselves are dead or safely retired....
I don't think it is just a matter of wanting cheap labor. That is the bonus. I'm pretty convinced that the real reason is Social Security and other pension obligations - that explains why they simply will not let the matter rest and why so many "conservatives" suddenly switch sides once they get to Washington. They get taken aside and shown the math, and are faced with a choice: tell the voters that social security has to go, likely losing their job in consequence, or try to get amnesty passed so they have a chance to live long, happy lives as a member of the privileged elite.
"They are all beholden to the corporations" fits the mood of the moment, which is why we hear it so often. That doesn't make it true, or at least the whole truth, though.
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 02, 2016 07:17 PM (bZ7mE)
Bolton on FBN
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 07:17 PM (zu88C)
Gotcha. Love that guy.
Posted by: Insomniac - I Wanna Be Sedated at November 02, 2016 07:17 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Drider at November 02, 2016 07:18 PM (6Xbsz)
If they are...
types...
deletes...
Posted by: SMOD Keeper at November 02, 2016 07:11 PM (onq2p)
I've been hearing dark rumors about that among the elites for years. I once read a blog post where the writer argued that Stanley Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shut" was an attempt to depict this. Actually I don't think the movie went into child sex specifically, but showed bizarre ritualized sex orgies among the powerful. I have not seen the movie myself, however.
He died not long after completing that movie, incidentally.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at November 02, 2016 07:18 PM (sdi6R)
I don't think Comey can be fired. He can be forced to resign somehow
Or he could have an "accident." Or commit Arkancide.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 02, 2016 07:18 PM (PY9jH)
EXCLUSIVE VIDEO Broaddrick, Willey, Jones Praise Hero Drudge, Slam Mainstream Media
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 07:18 PM (y3aQB)
We're in the part of the annual cycle that starts in early October where SCOTUS is hearing cases, with decisions to follow. By June, it's mostly rendering decisions on cases heard earlier in the cycle.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 02, 2016 07:18 PM (r1fLd)
If they are...
types...
deletes...
Posted by: SMOD Keeper at November 02, 2016 07:11 PM (onq2p)
I've been hearing dark rumors about that among the elites for years. I once read a blog post where the writer argued that Stanley Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shut" was an attempt to depict this. Actually I don't think the movie went into child sex specifically, but showed bizarre ritualized sex orgies among the powerful. I have not seen the movie myself, however.
He died not long after completing that movie, incidentally.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at November 02, 2016 07:18 PM (sdi6R)
I honestly wouldn't doubt it. Just look at the pedofest that is Hollywood.
Posted by: Insomniac - I Wanna Be Sedated at November 02, 2016 07:19 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 07:19 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 02, 2016 07:19 PM (CNHr1)
Thank God the 21c warriors are on our side. The commiecrats have been fighting like crippled dinosaurs, giant reptiles flailing their huge tails and subduing whatever stood in their path. This method worked for a while, but in their hubris they seemed to forget...technology. anonymous DDoSd it
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 07:19 PM (y3aQB)
For me, it was reading Russell Kirk. We don't hear much about him anymore, but for a long time I think he was the leading light of what conservative thought was.
Kirk's thought for me made sense. It made Conservatism work; far more than mindlessly yelling "Stop" to thwart "progress."
Ditto - after I got into The Conservative Mind, I said to myself - holy shit, where has this stuff been? Same with Milton Friedman. The principles that both defended are rarely defended any more.
Posted by: Colonel Travis at November 02, 2016 07:19 PM (gH1Qb)
Posted by: Buzzion at November 02, 2016 07:19 PM (TLzLS)
In this case it would be political suicide but he can do it.
http://tinyurl.com/mf62uv2
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 07:19 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Landofskybluewater at November 02, 2016 07:19 PM (lRwmz)
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 02, 2016 07:19 PM (CNHr1)
Stolen from another moron, whose nic I don't remember.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 02, 2016 07:20 PM (PY9jH)
However, some of this is due to structural defects in the system that have been exploited over the years.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 02, 2016 07:20 PM (BS8yt)
Posted by: Chupacabra at November 02, 2016 07:20 PM (/x6xU)
The Espionage Act.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 07:03 PM (/tuJf)
............
with that huge mouth, they should put her in men's genpop. Think of the fun.
Posted by: wth at November 02, 2016 07:20 PM (HgMAr)
Which it would be.
The Dem base would love it, no one else would, and Trump would win in a romp.
Richard Milhouse Nixon call your office
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 07:21 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: Buzzion at November 02, 2016 07:21 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Grey Fox
We'll just have to agree to disagree, but my experience is these people just don't care all that much about a problem that will probably not occur a decade or more down the road.
The money from outside groups is almost exclusively from sources that want open borders, that is why there is a zeal for it despite voters by in large opposing it.
the idea that politicians actually want to solve problems when shown the math is giving them more credit than they deserve.
Posted by: Maritime at November 02, 2016 07:21 PM (P6b5h)
Trump only getting 81 percent of GOP voters.
Posted by: David Venable at November 02, 2016 07:21 PM (btohO)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at November 02, 2016 06:53 PM (kXoT0)
Oh, he'll do as well as pony-tail bike boy did after he switched sides. Boy, chuckie's star really rose after he went lefty didn't it? He's a household name - well, no, not really.
The only thing he gained was about 50 pounds.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 02, 2016 07:21 PM (P8951)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 02, 2016 07:22 PM (4ErVI)
What a nut.
Posted by: torabora at November 02, 2016 07:22 PM (t/018)
I'm pretty convinced that the real reason is Social Security and other pension obligations - that explains why they simply will not let the matter rest and why so many "conservatives" suddenly switch sides once they get to Washington. They get taken aside and shown the math, and are faced with a choice: tell the voters that social security has to go, likely losing their job in consequence, or try to get amnesty passed so they have a chance to live long, happy lives as a member of the privileged elite.
I got the impression that Merkel's Bonehead Move was executed to keep the German social safety net going for its retirees. The same problem can / is happening here.
As was said many times in Monty's DOOM! threads -- "Math always wins"
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at November 02, 2016 07:22 PM (BK3ZS)
Posted by: Al Leppo at November 02, 2016 07:22 PM (8mYHH)
In this case it would be political suicide but he can do it.
Yeah you really want to unleash the Hell Hounds Fire Comey
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 07:22 PM (y3aQB)
"Because firing an FBI director is certain to bring accusations of playing politics with law enforcement against any president who chooses to do so, Clinton repeatedly asked Sessions to resign his post. But Sessions refused to step down.
"So in July of 1993, saying that he had been advised by then-attorney general Janet Reno that Sessions "can no longer effectively lead the bureau and law enforcement community," Clinton fired the FBI director eventually appointing Freeh in his place.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 02, 2016 07:23 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 02, 2016 07:23 PM (BS8yt)
It's pretty much crickets as far as I can tell.
Posted by: dissent555 at November 02, 2016 07:23 PM (GdgAM)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 07:15 PM (y3aQB)
And that's a load of BS because Veritas has them confessing on film to committing numerous Federal Crimes, and you don't even have to rifle the WikiLeaks files. (There are dozens, if not hundreds of crimes alluded to all over the place in those emails, not the least of which is conspiracy to commit crimes.)
To say that the Clinton team "may have" committed crimes is either the height of obtuse, or bullshit minimization of all of the criminal corruption that EVERY swinging dick and distended... what's the word... can't think of it... on the planet knows absolutely happened.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at November 02, 2016 07:23 PM (4ng05)
Beck did a great double decker bus tour of NYC describing the histories or Rockefeller center and the site of the UN being on the old grounds of a slaughterhouse.
He is more preachy and less fun than he used to be. He also has had a ton more of exposure since then and along the way has discussed the turning points. Much of that I think is trying really hard to do the right thing as he sees it.
I have never seen Breitbart pass on an opportunity to attack him. In many cases comments were taken out of context or misquoted, but it doesn't matter and you get 15,234 comments on "Teddy Bears" and even that is off base from the reason for the visit. Try to correct a point and you get shouted down with TRUMP 2016!! Eleventy!
Mercury One has raised millions for charity work and Beck has gone to many states as well as international locations.
The Blaze website is probably the best place to test NoScript settings for Firefox. It is a zoo of commercials. Oh well.
Beck called out a year ago what the media would do to Trump. He practically called items out to the week. He really believed in Cruz and went "all in" --but he gave every candidate equal time before then. Trump was basically an asshole about coming on the show because he expected people to kiss his ring. Beck paid the price. Whether Hilary or Trump wins, he has an enemy with either.
Posted by: AE at November 02, 2016 07:23 PM (+ft6G)
They moved their families to Texas for Beck, and now he's going off the rails kissing progressive ass.
They're going to miss their hefty paychecks when his empire goes belly up.
THESE TWO PUKES AIDED AND ABETTED AND ULTIMATELY PUSHED BECK OVER THE EDGE.
Posted by: R. DUKE at November 02, 2016 07:23 PM (ONH2e)
Posted by: DonnaV(deplorably brandishing
ampersandsand so there at November 02, 2016 07:21 PM
(P8951)
Charles will never share Cheetos with Glenn.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at November 02, 2016 07:23 PM (7N6ox)
Yeah, one of the poll trolls kept talking it up and reminding everyone every hour or so it was coming, and then it wasn't mentioned again.
I'm guessing the numbers benefitted Trump, or the (D)s were weighted to the point that it was a tie or worse.
Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at November 02, 2016 07:24 PM (x4zgf)
Posted by: The Living Glenn Beck! at November 02, 2016 07:24 PM (GdgAM)
They lose money on each Muslim refugee, but they make it up in volume.
With a cratering birth rate, it helps teachers unions.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 02, 2016 07:25 PM (r1fLd)
Trump only getting 81 percent of GOP voters.
Posted by: David Venabl
Sorry, i don't buy that.
EVERY poll has shown a dramatic movement towards Trump after the FBI announcement, so if the poll is not 100% after that event, I don't think it's accurate.
I'm not saying he wins Wisconsin, but I believe it's closer than that with the new revelations that have come forward.
Posted by: Maritime at November 02, 2016 07:25 PM (P6b5h)
Posted by: An Observation at November 02, 2016 07:25 PM (bUqYu)
"I hope so, Charlie," Beck replied.
"I know you do," Rose affirmed
The affirmation of liberals is like Turkish Delight, and Glen Beck is Edmund Pevensie. Just pathetic.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 02, 2016 07:25 PM (uz/Pv)
They are replacing us with voters who they like with immigrants illegal immigrants and refugees who all vote democrats except Cubans*
*no charge for the run on sentence
Posted by: Yo! at November 02, 2016 07:26 PM (GwIKd)
Wanted more information before renewing probe into Hillary... Developing...
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 07:26 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: Hillary at November 02, 2016 07:26 PM (t/018)
Wanted more information before renewing probe into Hillary... Developing...
Good old WaPo. Reporting the news that is a week old.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 07:27 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at November 02, 2016 06:59 PM (0O7c5)
couple of clapping seals...they arent any better when its just them on
Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI at November 02, 2016 07:27 PM (0LQ4f)
We wont win this election, potentially, if we dont win North Carolina, he said during a campaign rally for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton. I hate to put a little pressure on you, but the fate of the republic rests on your shoulders. The fate of the world is teetering
You got that right asshole
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 02, 2016 07:28 PM (dELE3)
https://tinyurl.com/z5nxcu3
Yes if sprinting like a Cheetah is leaning, then yes they are leaning
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 07:28 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: rhomboid at November 02, 2016 07:29 PM (QDnY+)
mild version of that drug which burns out just enough of your brain to
become a leftist. There are too many cases of this sort of thing
happening for it to be anything else.
Posted by: An Observation at November 02, 2016 07:25 PM (bUqYu)
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It's called evil. It's called the total depravity of man. Ask me if I'm kidding. I'm not kidding.
Posted by: grammie winger -for Ernie, Santo, Fergie, Ryne, Dawson, Sutcliffe and Grandma at November 02, 2016 07:29 PM (bpfzP)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at November 02, 2016 07:29 PM (BK3ZS)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 07:28 PM (y3aQB)
"Why yes, I always lean with my shoulder firmly against the ground, body ram-rod straight, why do you ask?"
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 07:30 PM (sK2fh)
Posted by: Hillary! 2016 Barking For Us at November 02, 2016 07:30 PM (8ZskC)
The truth is: Our "Pundit Class" for the most part was lying for personal gain.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 02, 2016 07:30 PM (hVdx9)
Which is why the next move by the post modern High Priests of the 'Brave New World ' is "normalizing" adult/child sex.
or maybe I'm just a paranoid loon.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 02, 2016 07:30 PM (syGA0)
Posted by: The Living Glenn Beck! at November 02, 2016 07:30 PM (GdgAM)
Posted by: Iblis at November 02, 2016 07:30 PM (rP2JJ)
Posted by: rhomboid at November 02, 2016 07:31 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 02, 2016 07:30 PM (syGA0)
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You're not.
Posted by: grammie winger -for Ernie, Santo, Fergie, Ryne, Dawson, Sutcliffe and Grandma at November 02, 2016 07:31 PM (bpfzP)
Posted by: Red Leb at November 02, 2016 07:31 PM (sxxvQ)
Then Trump came along and upset the apple cart and didn't play by the rules. They were (and still may be) convinced that Hill will win and start clamping down on the opposition, so they had to show that "hey, we're not like these vulgar backers. We're 'honorable.'"
If Trump loses they'll be crowing about how the dumb masses "let them down" in the hopes that they'll be able to maintain their toothless phony-baloney jobs. If Trump wins - well, they'll be shitting their pants because they never thought he'd be able to do it.
Since they're intellectuals, they can't admit to being basically self-interested. They have to write a load of torturous horsecrap rationalizing their own bad judgement.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 02, 2016 07:31 PM (P8951)
hahahahahahahahaha
Not as tight as Hellary & Bubba Anuses
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 07:31 PM (y3aQB)
They are replacing us with voters who they like with immigrants illegal immigrants and refugees who all vote democrats except Cubans
Posted by: Yo! at November 02, 2016 07:26 PM (GwIKd)
I read somewhere that the children and grandchildren of the original Cuban immigrants tend towards Democrat.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at November 02, 2016 07:32 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: davidt at November 02, 2016 07:32 PM (XoldI)
he said during a campaign rally for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton. I
hate to put a little pressure on you, but the fate of the republic
rests on your shoulders. The fate of the world is teetering
He can make the same speech in Florida tonight. I just watched AF1 land in Miami.
Posted by: tu3031 at November 02, 2016 07:32 PM (qJhUV)
and they turn out uneducated zombies
Posted by: redc1c4
No. LAUSD does not spend 100k per student/year. It's closer $25k as estimated by CATO in 2010.
You're probably thinking of the total cost for elementary and 2nd education for the average public school student in the US.
A number from Heritage calculated that an American "a student entering first grade in 2004 could expect approximately $111,000 to be spent on his or her elementary and secondary Education if the student completes high school."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2016 07:32 PM (v4Dtx)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 02, 2016 07:33 PM (0F67M)
Perhaps they did each other.
Posted by: Evi L. Bloggerlady at November 02, 2016 07:33 PM (4kTo2)
hate to put a little pressure on you, but the fate of the republic
rests on your shoulders. The fate of the world is teetering
===========================================
What a pompous little man
Posted by: grammie winger -for Ernie, Santo, Fergie, Ryne, Dawson, Sutcliffe and Grandma at November 02, 2016 07:33 PM (bpfzP)
Posted by: tu3031 at November 02, 2016 07:34 PM (qJhUV)
Posted by: Guy who pedicts shit left and right at November 02, 2016 07:34 PM (mL2BD)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 02, 2016 07:34 PM (0F67M)
All those emails on Huma's computer make me think she is a treasonous bitch, sending them to whatever evil govt she actually works for. Not the hillary directed treason, but her actual own.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 02, 2016 07:34 PM (ODxAs)
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Which bathroom?
Posted by: RioBravo at November 02, 2016 07:34 PM (NUqwG)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 07:34 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Guy who predicts shit left and right at November 02, 2016 07:34 PM (mL2BD)
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 02, 2016 07:34 PM (sEi2i)
Posted by: Glenn Wreck at November 02, 2016 07:34 PM (Tyii7)
Posted by: HH at November 02, 2016 07:34 PM (DrCtv)
Posted by: Guy who pedicts shit left and right at November 02, 2016 07:34 PM (mL2BD)
============================
Can I get a witness ?!?
Posted by: grammie winger -for Ernie, Santo, Fergie, Ryne, Dawson, Sutcliffe and Grandma at November 02, 2016 07:35 PM (bpfzP)
Posted by: davidt at November 02, 2016 07:35 PM (XoldI)
Posted by: rhomboid at November 02, 2016 07:35 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 02, 2016 07:35 PM (dELE3)
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 02, 2016 07:35 PM (syGA0)
rests on your shoulders. The fate of the world is teetering
===========================================
What a pompous little man
Posted by: grammie winger -for Ernie, Santo, Fergie, Ryne, Dawson, Sutcliffe and Grandma at November 02, 2016 07:33 PM (bpfzP)
I think the world started teetering in Jan 2009, when the leader of the free world gleefully skipped to the back of the bus.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at November 02, 2016 07:35 PM (7N6ox)
Poll Trolls hardest Ht
https://tinyurl.com/gt3qwb6
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 07:36 PM (y3aQB)
Having to spend too much time arranging things for my dysfunctional in-laws.
I told my husband if this keeps up you're gonna find a sign in the yard that says "For Sale by Wife". Aaaargh.
Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 02, 2016 07:36 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: Kreplach at November 02, 2016 07:37 PM (+lv+r)
They had to rehire Clinton cronies to get any that could spell retread without it coming out retard, HRC for instance.
Posted by: DaveA at November 02, 2016 07:37 PM (8J/Te)
Posted by: andycanuck at November 02, 2016 07:37 PM (xIunr)
Posted by: jihadi at November 02, 2016 07:37 PM (I64i9)
Posted by: davidt at November 02, 2016 07:37 PM (XoldI)
Posted by: Nick in South Bend at November 02, 2016 07:38 PM (a7FXx)
Posted by: Guy who pedicts shit left and right at November 02, 2016 07:34 PM (mL2BD)
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Can I get a witness ?!?
Posted by: grammie winger -for Ernie, Santo, Fergie, Ryne, Dawson, Sutcliffe and Grandma at November 02, 2016 07:35 PM (bpfzP)
AMEN!
Posted by: Guy who predicts shit left and right at November 02, 2016 07:38 PM (mL2BD)
Posted by: jihadi at November 02, 2016 07:38 PM (I64i9)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 07:38 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: James Douglas at November 02, 2016 07:39 PM (blnJH)
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 07:39 PM (zu88C)
He did some good when he called out the Columbus mayor where the girl was sexually assaulted during school and he raised money to get her to a private school.
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 02, 2016 07:39 PM (dKiJG)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 02, 2016 07:39 PM (0F67M)
Posted by: rhomboid at November 02, 2016 07:40 PM (QDnY+)
I've been hearing dark rumors about that among the elites for years.
I once read a blog post where the writer argued that Stanley Kubrick's
"Eyes Wide Shut" was an attempt to depict this. Actually I don't think
the movie went into child sex specifically, but showed bizarre
ritualized sex orgies among the powerful. I have not seen the movie
myself, however.
There was one pedo episode in the movie.
Posted by: An Observation at November 02, 2016 07:40 PM (bUqYu)
Posted by: AF at November 02, 2016 07:40 PM (xIunr)
Watch this. Only a taste but you will get the idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgUqL9yz3Xg
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 07:41 PM (/tuJf)
$20,000 a year. You really think an illegal immigrant pays anywhere
near that a year in his payroll taxes to cover what his family costs the
taxpayer?
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last time i looked, the LAUSD spent ~$100,000 per student/year.
and they turn out uneducated zombies
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 02, 2016 07:15 PM (KWUK6)
**********
That's why we have to spend more.
Posted by: Hillary at November 02, 2016 07:41 PM (t/018)
Primary them all. I don't give a fuck if they're the greatest conservative that ever conserved.
Primary them all.
The ones that are worthy to return to office will prove themselves. The rest can eat shit and go back to chasing ambulances.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 02, 2016 07:42 PM (LuZz8)
Posted by: AF at November 02, 2016 07:40 PM (xIunr)
You guys are a bunch of fags.
Posted by: AG at November 02, 2016 07:42 PM (0F67M)
Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 02, 2016 07:42 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: Glenn Beck at November 02, 2016 07:42 PM (5huyv)
The gloating always made me laugh. Glenn still went way off the deep end.
Posted by: CaliGirl at November 02, 2016 07:42 PM (Q5Ymk)
Posted by: GT 5.0 at November 02, 2016 07:42 PM (JmyKL)
You A-holes blow!
Posted by: AQ at November 02, 2016 07:42 PM (xIunr)
Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 02, 2016 07:42 PM (fVubI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgUqL9yz3Xg
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 07:41 PM (/tuJf)
Thank you JackStraw!
Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 02, 2016 07:43 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 02, 2016 07:43 PM (R5HRU)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 02, 2016 07:43 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at November 02, 2016 07:43 PM (BNXbq)
Posted by: Fuming Funky Monkey at November 02, 2016 07:44 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Polling man at November 02, 2016 07:44 PM (bUqYu)
Posted by: AQ at November 02, 2016 07:45 PM (xIunr)
The forces aligned against Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness are large, connected and infiltrate every strata of media, entertainment, education and politics. The closer you get to the top, the worse it gets.
The flaccid Kristol-Will-Krauthammer wing of the party hasn't learned anything yet other than that they are being challenged.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at November 02, 2016 07:45 PM (3myMJ)
Holy crap is this a clever sock? or is the Hildabeast only up by one in NY.
Posted by: PaleRider at November 02, 2016 07:45 PM (dkExz)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 02, 2016 07:46 PM (BS8yt)
It's not at all surprising that their politics would evolve to keep them living a comfortable life. Much easier to domesticate yourself and beg for scraps then having to actually go back to working for a living.
Posted by: Sjg at November 02, 2016 07:46 PM (gDSJf)
I thought Comey (spit), as part of his orwellian presentation, "reported" that his "investigation" was confident no foreign services had exploited the security breaches.
WTF? It sounded absurd at the time (by definition - the situation is not one that by its nature should give much confidence when trying to assess security damage). But this new info seems to directly contradict this GINORMOUS aspect of Comey's inexcusable whitewash back in July.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 02, 2016 07:47 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: lightning at November 02, 2016 07:47 PM (pwONV)
The concept of being a producer or earner is lost upon them. They can't see that this shroud over the world's economy is the heel of their boot.
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket... wants a new party at November 02, 2016 07:48 PM (HnB/8)
Look at it this way - the elites have always been more libertine than the masses. They just have to go further to do that these days. Even in straight-laced Victorian England, the aristocrats had mistresses. I remember reading the thesis that one reason Oscar Wilde was punished so harshly was because he was merely an upper middle class homo - there were many aristocrats doing the same thing and none of them ended up doing 2 years hard labor.
After the sexual revolution, when "plain old" fornication became acceptable to the middle classes, simply having a mistress or gay lovers became no big deal at all. So the elites had to push the envelope into more outre areas. Orgies, perversions - Joe Schmoe who works at the auto body shop might be able to view all sorts of weird shit on the Internet, but actually doing it is still taboo among ordinary hetero people. So it becomes sort of a status signal to engage in activities that are off limits to us dull middle class types - or illegal.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 02, 2016 07:49 PM (P8951)
The big bet inside the Beltway these days is:
"I can get mine and get out before the deluge."
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at November 02, 2016 07:50 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: The Living Glenn Beck!
****
If you want to be a dem you'd better lose your gag reflex.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 02, 2016 07:50 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Glenn Beck at November 02, 2016 07:42 PM (5huyv)
...streams of pressurized vomit issue forth from betwixt my overlapped fingers...
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 07:50 PM (sK2fh)
The rest can all go to their country club in hell.
Posted by: S at November 02, 2016 07:50 PM (HCXGq)
>> jump on Scott Walker's train but he refused to utter
>> the magic words.
Walker had the record. He was the one who at the state level marched to the sound of the guns.
Unfortunately, when it came to his Presidential campaign loaded up on the Usual GOP Consultants who slit his pocket, took his wallet, and left him floundering.
Posted by: JEM at November 02, 2016 07:51 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: lightning at November 02, 2016 07:47 PM (pwONV)
Amen brother. Born in 1970 and often think if this had happened even in the 1980s when I was a teenager the resignations would've flowed like wine. Just the accusation of such serious corruption would've likely led to a resignation...with the indictment coming later.
I imagine people born much earlier have our feeling times 100.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 02, 2016 07:52 PM (4ErVI)
The gloating always made me laugh. Glenn still went way off the deep end.
Posted by: CaliGirl at November 02, 2016 07:42 PM (Q5Ymk)
Yes He Did.
We had to stop listening to him, he would scare the crap out of us with all the Doom and Gloom.
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 02, 2016 07:52 PM (dKiJG)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 02, 2016 07:46 PM (BS8yt)
For what it's worth, I noticed Trump signs out today where there were none just a few days ago. To me that's a sign that formerly quiet Trump supporters are more willing to publicly announce that they are voting for him.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 02, 2016 07:52 PM (P8951)
Posted by: Hans Gruber at November 02, 2016 07:52 PM (zu88C)
No, he didn't say that. He said it was possible but given the nature of the system and the nature of the people likely to have done the hack they didn't think they would be able to find evidence.
I think the new 99.9% confidence of a hack by up to 5 foreign governments refers to Weiner's laptop.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 07:52 PM (/tuJf)
This is great.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 02, 2016 07:53 PM (x3uSY)
Posted by: Hans Gruber at November 02, 2016 07:54 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 07:54 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: A&W at November 02, 2016 07:54 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 02, 2016 07:54 PM (BS8yt)
Posted by: An Observation at November 02, 2016 07:55 PM (bUqYu)
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 02, 2016 07:55 PM (dKiJG)
he can KMA.
Otherwise, Freddy Barnes, now on with Britt, seems to be disassociating himself from his podna', Kristol.
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket... wants a new party at November 02, 2016 07:55 PM (HnB/8)
Look, I'm hoping for enough states that half of Hollywood decides to go slit their wrists and bleed out on Trump's star.
It'd be perfectly, completely fine with me if a whole lot of the rich blathering class decided on seppuku next Wednesday. I'll even throw in $100 for the hazmat crew.
But Wisconsin...really? Is it possible?
Posted by: JEM at November 02, 2016 07:55 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 07:52 PM (/tuJf)
Pity the poor CSI that had to use a blacklight on that keyboard.
Posted by: Stating The Obvious at November 02, 2016 07:55 PM (cmE8J)
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 07:55 PM (zu88C)
You A-holes blow!
Posted by: AQ
Drink Me!
Posted by: A&W at November 02, 2016 07:54 PM (IqV8l)
Don't vorry, tovarischi, I vill handle thees...
Posted by: AK at November 02, 2016 07:55 PM (sK2fh)
Posted by: lightning at November 02, 2016 07:55 PM (pwONV)
Trump's celebrity status was not the reason, people latched on to him because he espoused one of their most pressing issues - open borders.
Very many Republican primary voters were ready to jump on Scott Walker's train but he refused to utter the magic words.
Posted by: Decaf at November 02, 2016 07:07 PM (8zHLN)
Correction: Scott Walkers Money Men Donors did not allow him to utter the magic words,
Build The Wall,
Close the Border,
Enforce Existing Immigration Laws
He also saddled himself with a bunch of idiot "Professional Campaign Managers." The only thing they managed to do was enrich themselves while trashing his reputation.
Posted by: rd at November 02, 2016 07:56 PM (Rtl0g)
To paraphrase Guardians of the Galaxy, it must have looked like a Jackson Pollack painting.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 07:57 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Matthew Incontinetti at November 02, 2016 07:57 PM (uz/Pv)
Posted by: AZ at November 02, 2016 07:57 PM (zu88C)
https://tinyurl.com/gt7e5e6
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 07:58 PM (y3aQB)
You A-holes blow!
Posted by: AQ
Drink Me!
Posted by: AW at November 02, 2016 07:54 PM (IqV8l)
How do I taste?
Posted by: AZ at November 02, 2016 07:58 PM (3Liv/)
Posted by: Nick in South Bend at November 02, 2016 07:58 PM (a7FXx)
I was duped.
Posted by: Ted Cruz at November 02, 2016 07:59 PM (ev02w)
So the Amazon Prime strap-on order showed up.
Cool.
But, for God's sake, please do not post pictures.
Posted by: JEM at November 02, 2016 07:59 PM (TppKb)
So much of this is pinch-yourself-is-it-really-happening territory.
Just for a very mild, suggestive way-point: recall that in 1993, Bubba went through 2 or 3 HHS nominees because there was a scandal about ...... hiring illegal nannies/not paying FICA for them. !!!!!
A CIA Director was forced to resign and had to do legal scrambling for comparatively trivial (and clearly negligent, as opposed to calculated) security violations.
To replace this guy, Bubba's administration was so desperate - because (sit down for this) the "opposition" party in the Senate ACTUALLY drew a line and refused to confirm Bubba's first choice because he was a soft-liner from way back (oh - the guy was about 1/10 as toxic or ridiculous as dozens of people populating the current admin.)
They were forced to nominate a no-name former congressional staffer to ensure a confirmation (the nominee was in no way qualified for the post, but had always exercised near-magical powers over congressional principals, who loved his work, so his confirmation was guaranteed).
Posted by: rhomboid at November 02, 2016 07:59 PM (QDnY+)
*vomit*
Posted by: AZ
****
I'll call an exorcist...or three...
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 02, 2016 07:59 PM (hVdx9)
>> blackmail target in the White House
Some of us have been saying that for months.
Posted by: JEM at November 02, 2016 08:00 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: lightning at November 02, 2016 08:00 PM (pwONV)
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 08:00 PM (zu88C)
Honesty is good. And do they really wonder why I'm happily voting for Trump? The only politician who has treated me with respect and listened. Yeah, he may kick me in the teeth after elected but I'll have these few precious months to live in a political fantasy again.
Posted by: Seems legit at November 02, 2016 08:01 PM (xEZkG)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 02, 2016 08:01 PM (BS8yt)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 08:01 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 02, 2016 08:02 PM (4e+hS)
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 08:02 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: Random Thought Generator at November 02, 2016 08:02 PM (XfHd6)
Literally crazy. And selling himself for money. Whore.
Posted by: Seems legit at November 02, 2016 08:02 PM (xEZkG)
>> the election?"
Are you kidding?
Her Uruk-hai will march by Wednesday if she loses.
Posted by: JEM at November 02, 2016 08:02 PM (TppKb)
George W. Bush's vote for Hillary Clinton still has me reeling. I was one of his few remaining supporters at the end of his term. I know now that W is, in fact, a complete idiot. A cabbage. A dolt. A pox on both their houses.
Anyway, I guess Continetti and others intend to get rid of us and find a new base somewhere in the moderate middle. However, I think it is we who should get rid of them. They can call themselves the New Whigs or the American Tory Party for all I care, but it truly grieves me the Republican Party has gone full circle and become what it initially set out to fight.
Posted by: troyriser at November 02, 2016 08:03 PM (mbhHA)
https://tinyurl.com/gt7e5e6
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 07:58 PM (y3aQB)
Fund doesn't get it. The CGI and CF are crime lords. If she is elected there will be no black mailing her, there will be no investigations, there will be no America as we knew it. Period.
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket... wants a new party at November 02, 2016 08:03 PM (HnB/8)
Plausible speculation that evidence of foreign exploitation of the security breaches will not be the only explosive, or criminally incriminating, info they find on that laptop.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 02, 2016 08:04 PM (QDnY+)
"irrational and hate-based opposition to the Eastern monied establishmet"
Charles C. W. Cooke
Are you under the impression that NR exists to parrot the transient folly of pluralities?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 02, 2016 08:05 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: JEM at November 02, 2016 08:02 PM (TppKb))
[hey, I get to use the same joke-sock twice in a row?]
"Don't worry guys, I'll handle this."
[I figure an american owned rifle wouldn't have a russian accent...]
Posted by: AK at November 02, 2016 08:05 PM (sK2fh)
I have tried but she is incredibly off-putting.
Cute girl. Kind of a brunette potential MeAgain.
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 08:06 PM (zu88C)
>> lords. If she is elected there will be no black mailing
>> her, there will be no investigations, there will be no
>> America as we knew it. Period.
It's not about 'America'. It's about foreign policy.
Hillary is an open book to the Russians, the Chinese, probably the Israelis, the Iranians, both Koreas, the Germans, the British, etc.
So what you've got is a whole lot of carrots and a whole lot of sticks, some working together, some at odds, some broadly supportive of US interests and many actively hostile, but all representing a personal threat to her future.
Posted by: JEM at November 02, 2016 08:07 PM (TppKb)
There is a huge amount of overlapping players in this web.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 08:07 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 02, 2016 07:55 PM (dKiJG)
Nothing much would happen. The FBI Director serves at the pleasure of the President. If he or she is fired, a Deputy Director would step up until the President appoints another Director. Oh, did I mention the President is the lamest of lame ducks? Political impact--on him anyway--would be negligible.
Posted by: troyriser at November 02, 2016 08:08 PM (mbhHA)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 02, 2016 08:08 PM (BS8yt)
>> monied establishmet"
So in other words praying five times a day for someone to drop a really big FAE on Harvard qualifies as 'irrational and hate-based'?
Guilty as charged!!!
Posted by: JEM at November 02, 2016 08:09 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 08:10 PM (zu88C)
@mitchellvii
I am now convinced. The FBI is on a mission to take down Hillary and deny her the Presidency.
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 08:10 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 08:11 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 08:12 PM (sK2fh)
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With the intelligence community apparently in revolt and 70% disapproval coming from the military, that's about all she'll have to call on.
Posted by: Methos at November 02, 2016 08:13 PM (3Liv/)
https://tinyurl.com/gpb4s9u
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 08:14 PM (y3aQB)
0. I think when this all plays out we are going to find out that the reason there was no indictments before was because of the enormous pressure and obstruction of the Obama administration.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 08:16 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 02, 2016 08:16 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: troyriser at November 02, 2016 08:16 PM (mbhHA)
Posted by: lightning at November 02, 2016 08:16 PM (pwONV)
Obama, Biden, Michelle O all run around the country campaigning for Hillary.
Who is paying for this? The security, air travel, etc?
The campaign has to, right? If so, should there be public records?
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at November 02, 2016 08:18 PM (Rza8C)
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 02, 2016 08:18 PM (jV8Mq)
Posted by: Goldilocks at November 02, 2016 08:18 PM (pOgVG)
Posted by: USNtakim at November 02, 2016 08:18 PM (hMqvx)
Most of the article is descriptive, albeit dripping with the smugness of someone who is sure he's in the right. But here he asserts that a bunch of things have been "reformed" which has me scratching my head wondering what he's smoking.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 02, 2016 08:19 PM (uz/Pv)
Posted by: uncle joe at November 02, 2016 08:19 PM (CG+Mw)
Posted by: Seems legit at November 02, 2016 08:20 PM (xEZkG)
Posted by: troyriser at November 02, 2016 08:16 PM (mbhHA)
I looked and all I saw were a bunch of people who look like they've eaten tofu and drank soy milk their entire lives.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 02, 2016 08:20 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 08:21 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: uncle joe at November 02, 2016 08:19 PM (CG+Mw)
THIS
Posted by: USNtakim at November 02, 2016 08:21 PM (hMqvx)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 08:16 PM (/tuJf)
That's probably true. I was just wondering a long time back, why Obama and his retinue would stick their necks out to bully the FBI for clinton, when I can only imagine he actually wants the clintons to be discredited so he can hand pick his own successor. So where else would pressure on Comey come from? The Clintons. And what do they have to use as leverage now that none of them hold public office? Cash.
Or maybe Occam's razor applies here and i'm just tilting at pantsuits.
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 08:21 PM (sK2fh)
Posted by: madamemayhem (goddess of brownies) at November 02, 2016 08:22 PM (yTnCT)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 02, 2016 08:22 PM (BS8yt)
Posted by: lightning at November 02, 2016 08:22 PM (pwONV)
===
Ok. I was distinguishing between Outlook which is a server-based enterprise level system
vs
Outlook Express which is a locally installed client. Very similar to Thunderbird if you know that program.
The difference is critical. If it is Outlook Express, then a copy of every single email is on the laptop.
If it's Outlook , it depends on where the .pst file is stored.
It's a quibble, but I am just trying to understand it fully.
Thanks for pointing me back to Denninger's place, I have been away too long!
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 08:23 PM (zu88C)
********************
I don't think Comey can be fired. He can be forced to resign somehow, but the only other way I believe would be impeachment.
Posted by: #NeverHillary - #SchlongerTogether at November 02, 2016 07:07 PM (6RZuW)
++++
The Director of the FBI is part of the Executive branch. He can be fired by the president, as is the case of anyone under the president. As a matter of fact, there was just a SCOTUS case about some other agency head where congress had set it up so that he could only be fired for cause. That was found to be unconstitutional.
Posted by: The Notorious RGB at November 02, 2016 08:24 PM (R+30W)
Remember when this was a website that espoused Conservatism? Good times.
Posted by: RonM822 at November 02, 2016 08:24 PM (sWxvp)
Out with the old-right, and in with the New-Right then.
For those with such "elite educations," they surely have no clue who they are talking about. At all.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 02, 2016 08:25 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 02, 2016 08:25 PM (BS8yt)
I would not be surprised to find out Huma is a Saudi spy.
But that association to the Muslim journal thing seems to out there to be something a spy would do.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 02, 2016 08:26 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 02, 2016 08:26 PM (IqV8l)
Just today, more evidence was leaked that not only was Obama well aware of the illegal email system, there may be some of his correspondence with Hillary on Weiner's computer including the email aliases he used.
He's implicated in this shit as well.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 08:27 PM (/tuJf)
In the case, PHH Corporation et al. v. the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled in favor of lender PHH, which challenged to the financial watchdog provisions of the 2010 Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act.
The court threw out a $109 million penalty that had been imposed on the company and also ruled the CFPB to be unconstitutional because its director was too secure in his/her position. The current director is Richard Cordray, a former attorney general of Ohio.
http://legalnewsline.com/stories/511033510-d-c-
circuit-s-unusual-ruling-says-cfpb-director-can-be-fired
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 02, 2016 08:27 PM (R+30W)
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If you have a yahoo account (as Huma did) I'm pretty sure yahoo has and will pretty much always have a copy of everything you sent or received.
If you can recover something you've 'deleted' then it must be somewhere.
Posted by: Methos at November 02, 2016 08:27 PM (3Liv/)
Posted by: RonM822
=====
I'm sure your Hot Air button works.
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 08:27 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: FaCubeItches at November 02, 2016 08:27 PM (rznWS)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at
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Me too
Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 02, 2016 08:28 PM (BS8yt)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 08:27 PM (/tuJf)
Well, there it is then. Thanks!
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 08:29 PM (sK2fh)
Posted by: lightning at November 02, 2016 08:29 PM (pwONV)
>> Saudi spy.
Well, Obama's most likely a paid Iranian agent, so having our government run at arm's length by the Saudis could be considered an improvement.
Posted by: JEM at November 02, 2016 08:30 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 02, 2016 08:30 PM (KWUK6)
No worries. I'm loving ever single minute of this. I really think this has the potential for taking down a whole bunch of Dems and their diseased backroom dealings.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 08:30 PM (/tuJf)
Remember when this was a website that espoused Conservatism? Good times.
Posted by: RonM822
Yeah, that was when conservatives didn't throw elections to grifting, lying, spastic typhiod marys with a penchant for fucking over the US overseas.
Pretty much the same as it is now.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2016 08:31 PM (v4Dtx)
George W Bush - conservative
Mitt Romney - conservative
Paul Ryan - conservative
John McCain - conservative
Bill Kristol - conservative
Wick Rilson - conservative
Carhles Jhonson - conservative
shall I go on?
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 08:31 PM (zu88C)
and were called many mean names when we pointed out the con that was
being run on us."
Yup. I guess it's time to bust out the John McClane "Welcome to the party, pal."
Posted by: FaCubeItches at November 02, 2016 08:32 PM (rznWS)
Let's get past next Tuesday and then we can deal with that.
Posted by: Fuming Funky Monkey at November 02, 2016 08:32 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 08:30 PM (/tuJf)
I'll lift a glass to that
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 08:32 PM (sK2fh)
Posted by: RonM822 at November 02, 2016 08:24 PM (sWxvp)
nice deflection from the actual post
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 02, 2016 08:32 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: uncle joe at November 02, 2016 08:32 PM (CG+Mw)
Posted by: RonM822 at November 02, 2016 08:24 PM (sWxvp)
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your concern is
[ ] Noted
[ ] Not Noted
[X] Trump 2016, Because Fuck You.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 02, 2016 08:34 PM (KWUK6)
JUST FOUND: Scott Foval found in pic working with Podesta. (guy with hand over face on right)
see attachment pix
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 08:34 PM (y3aQB)
Beck went too deep, just like a lot of others have this election cycle (on both sides of the Trump divide). If nothing else, I think most of us can agree that Beck is an emotional guy, and he's let emotion direct his actions.
This is something that worries me a lot more than anything Trump or even Hillary can do. You can let your values, and thereby emotion to some extent, decide your goals, but from there out your actions in support of those goals should be decided rationally without allowing emotion to make foolish choices for you.
We all know the Law of Unintended Consequences. What I think most people do not know is the feedback that also happens. Your emotions and goals naturally affect your actions, but the reverse is also true: Your thoughts naturally change to support your actions, and the more emotionally invested you are in your actions, the stronger this impact on your thoughts is. This isn't just me talking here, either. Cognitive Dissonance theory is a major player in psychology.
It can be simple like a person who hates cats spending a lot of time around a new lover's cat and deciding only some cats are bad, but it can also be more insidious. A person who has the goal "elect a conservative" and become emotionally invested in the process of "defeat Trump in order to let a conservative run" can find that "defeat Trump" displaces the original goal because it is the simpler, more direct explanation for their actions. From there, it's a short jump to making nice with Trump's enemies, and they could eventually find themselves playing completely for the other team.
It's a big part of why I try to keep emotions, values, and goals separate from rational decisions on how best to pursue those goals. The human mind isn't as consistent as we'd like to think, and it takes serious effort and honest introspection to avoid distortions. Far too many supposed conservatives are letting emotion rule their actions, and the results are everything from pundits declaring Hillary a better choice to Truemp Believers attacking the insufficiently faithful in ways that sound exactly like hardcore leftists.
Posted by: Cortillaen at November 02, 2016 08:35 PM (rpKZV)
Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at November 02, 2016 08:37 PM (j4+m2)
But I know it is not what these attention-whores and Beltway bandits call conservatism.
If we can defeat them by electing Trump, we have a chance to get back on the road to actual conservatism.
If we don't , then we can tell our surviving grandchildren about conservatism around the trash fires in the camps.
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 08:37 PM (zu88C)
Not at all. Consider that an email is actually quite small, especially if it lacks the typical corporate boilerplate and logo. Actual text is maybe 1K per page. Add 1K or so on for mail headers and 650K emails would be, maybe, 2gigs. Multiply it by ten, if you like, and you're still just putting a dent in a small SSD.
Posted by: moviegique at November 02, 2016 08:38 PM (7zeA4)
Posted by: lightning at November 02, 2016 08:39 PM (pwONV)
Attorney General Loretta Lynch is SUED to come clean on secret airport meeting with Bill Clinton days before she was to decide on charging his wife over server scandal
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 08:39 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 08:40 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: troyriser at November 02, 2016 08:40 PM (mbhHA)
And I'm in the Chicago area, so I assume these are national ad buys.
Posted by: Methos at November 02, 2016 08:41 PM (3Liv/)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2016 08:42 PM (zc3Db)
I am tired of the media telling me how great everything is while I pray for my kid to be out of the army before hell breaks loose. I am fucking tired of being lied to, marginalized, otherized, and vilified. I vote Trump because fuck you that's why. Bring on the human wrecking ball!
Posted by: madamemayhem (goddess of brownies) at November 02, 2016 08:42 PM (yTnCT)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 02, 2016 08:43 PM (5dOnv)
If the SS knew it then the whole Obama administration knew it.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 08:44 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 08:44 PM (zu88C)
Well said. I'd only counter that, in my estimation, it is the progressive left that has made American politics into warfare continued by other means. When a nation is in a state of perpetual civil war (for all intents and purposes), a certain defensive, tribal mentality emerges in the people just as you say. Ultimately, ugly as it is, it results in a Fight Fire with Fire situation. And I will freely admit, I just don't even care right now about the opinion of someone opposed to voting for Trump, or someone trying to convince me not to. Battle lines have been drawn, for better or worse.
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 08:44 PM (sK2fh)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 08:27 PM (/tuJf)
His [Obama] nod to Comey focuses the FBI and the public eye on Hillary and diverts it from himself. If he makes it to January 20 with out this sticking to him he will be Scott free.
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket... wants a new party at November 02, 2016 08:45 PM (u5NuV)
Posted by: Browndog at November 02, 2016 08:46 PM (ccfl2)
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket... wants a new party at November 02, 2016 08:46 PM (u5NuV)
New poll: Donald Trump up 5 over Hillary Clinton in Ohio
http://tinyurl.com/hx42s44
Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 02, 2016 08:46 PM (Enq6K)
We'll never get caught.
If we do, the media will cover it up.
If that doesn't work, we'll just lie our way clear.
Posted by: FaCubeItches at November 02, 2016 08:47 PM (rznWS)
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If you have a yahoo account (as Huma did) I'm pretty sure yahoo has and will pretty much always have a copy of everything you sent or received.
If you can recover something you've 'deleted' then it must be somewhere.
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This issue Methos (as I understand from computer folks smarter than me) is that if you use say your wife's laptop to access yahoo, you are correct that yahoo will have a copy. What is important to know is that if you access yahoo directly, that email will NOT be stored on your wife's laptop. When you use Outlook, it is different because Outlook is designed to make accessing multiple emails easier by bringing them to a central place. In doing this the software will automatically save the contents of said email boxes (that you accessed via outlook) on your wife's computer. If Hillary's server was not set up to access all the devices Huma used (for a hard wipe), everything Outlook saved is still on the devices. So it is different and definitely much more damaging.
Posted by: lightning at November 02, 2016 08:47 PM (pwONV)
He would never have done time or anything like that but his legacy will be one of corruption and dishonesty and not just with us.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 08:47 PM (/tuJf)
With Outlook Express , you can connect up to multiple email accounts and every email is saved locally to the drive.
Potentially dozens of separate accounts all wrapped up and saved in one nice little package.
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 08:47 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: Red Leb at November 02, 2016 07:31 PM (sxxvQ)
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I don't recall when I started reading comments here - it's been maybe the past year or so. But HotGas was where I first heard of Ace, and I'd read the posts. So I can't say I recall how Glenn was received here during his chalkboard days on Fox.
Mr. Deplorable and I began to watch his show on Fox every evening from 5 pm to 6 pm (like medicine) and found the background of the Progressive movement very enlightening, as well as the cast of characters of the Obama administration. I'll be forever grateful for that background.
I can't for the life of me understand how he can go lefty. wtf.
Sometimes I envy the oldsters at the upscale retirement home where I visit Mr. Deplorable's parents, because they won't have to live much longer. Then I think, you poor sob's here - most of you - are younger than me, and you have such a battle before you.
Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at November 02, 2016 08:48 PM (tHwdc)
umm... could you maybe make a spoken word recording of that and mail it to some superPAC to use as a TV or Radio spot?
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 08:48 PM (sK2fh)
Ross gives away donation from man who made racist remark at fundraiser
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 08:48 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: madamemayhem (goddess of brownies) at November 02, 2016 08:49 PM (yTnCT)
Posted by: Cortillaen at November 02, 2016 08:35 PM (rpKZV)
put Beck in perspective too
he was booted (I suspect) from Fox, regardless, he left
then he tried to build an empire, hire people, run a new venture that is now a sinking ship - while continuing his radio show
he's stretched himself too thin, so other "instincts" are kicking in, no doubt
plus he's been "dying" for years now, with God knows what disease he has
he's a mess, both physically and mentally, so he's just going to reach for whatever will help him now
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 02, 2016 08:49 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 08:50 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 02, 2016 08:50 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Fuming Funky Monkey at November 02, 2016 08:52 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: FaCubeItches at November 02, 2016 08:52 PM (rznWS)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 02, 2016 08:52 PM (97XyN)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 08:52 PM (y3aQB)
Has anybody seen the bridge?
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Do you know the way to San Jose?
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 08:53 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 02, 2016 08:43 PM (5dOnv)
good point
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 02, 2016 08:53 PM (qCMvj)
The FBI Director serves at the pleasure of the President.
Posted by: troyriser
Not quite. The FBI director is appointed for a fixed term, unlike cabinet secretaries and many other appointed positions.
Whether a President can remove an appointee before their term expires is -- debatable. Clinton fired an FBI director and got away with it. Some congressmen raised the issue on whether he had that power, but rolled over as usual. On the other hand, FDR fired an FTC commissioner and the SC ruled that unconstitutional. Grey area, and dependent on the interpretation of the applicable statues for the job.
So, the President can -- until the person removed or the Congress wants to challenge the issue.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 02, 2016 08:53 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: madamemayhem (goddess of brownies) at November 02, 2016 08:54 PM (yTnCT)
Posted by: BearFlag at November 02, 2016 08:50 PM (Gk22/)
Who the hell was JonE? I've been here for many years and I don't remember any JonE standing out in any way.
Now, gabe and Drew ... they were fun. Wrong, almost all the time, but fun.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2016 08:54 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 08:54 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2016 08:54 PM (J+eG2)
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I'm old enough to remember when they were talking about the New Morality. Turns out it was the same as the Old Immorality.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I AM SPARTACUS! at November 02, 2016 08:55 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: freaked at November 02, 2016 08:55 PM (BO/km)
I'm proud to be a Stinking, Smoking Monkey Moron tonight.
Posted by: dartist at November 02, 2016 08:55 PM (ce4zT)
But there actually seems to be a segment of people for whom it all is just a nerd's version of sports fanaticism, team loyalty, etc. All labels and affiliations (GOP, "conservatism"), no substance or details, or practicality.
Buy yeah, I sure miss the profound intellectual juridical stylings of Gabe, who once - back to back, in less than 24 hours - railed against the obvious idiocy and harm of one SCOTUS ruling, only to coo softly over the next one, even though it was equally indefensible.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 02, 2016 08:55 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at November 02, 2016 08:55 PM (bDbGz)
I used to read this site every day, but after JonE, Gabe and Drew all left it's just Ace whining about the establishment and talking about losing weight. It's boring. It's un-original, and just plain bad reading. Just quit already.
Posted by: BearFlag (Gk22/)
signed
JonE, Gabe and Drew
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 02, 2016 08:55 PM (kdS6q)
Does anybody really know what time it is?
Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I AM SPARTACUS! at November 02, 2016 08:56 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: freaked at November 02, 2016 08:55 PM (BO/km)
You shouldn't have worn polka dots. That drove him nuts.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2016 08:56 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 02, 2016 08:43 PM (5dOnv)
huh. I always assumed she was an Iranian plant. Makes the Huma/MB connection that much more... spy-novel-y?
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 08:56 PM (sK2fh)
JonE
Sunglasses . That's what I remember.
Now JackM. THERE was a COB!
Snarky - check
Good sources - check
No pants - check
Stalker - check
His epic poetry was ... epic.
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 08:57 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'America just needs more cowbell! at November 02, 2016 08:58 PM (mL2BD)
I don't remember any of these people. I remember a commenter JonE ... but I rarely read the main posts, so ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2016 08:58 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 02, 2016 08:59 PM (IqV8l)
Yeah, I'm at 6's and 7's over the game and I'm just trying to keep sane...
So I'm here - and there
Posted by: Browndog at November 02, 2016 08:59 PM (ccfl2)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 02, 2016 09:00 PM (97XyN)
Chaffetz was one, but I think there were 4 or 5 more. Kind of underlines what lightweights (substantively and politically) they are, and is one of the few times the degradation of the civic culture and the country manifests itself on the GOP side, as opposed to the other.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 02, 2016 09:00 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 09:00 PM (/tuJf)
I think you can't spell. Does that make us even?
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 02, 2016 09:00 PM (97XyN)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 02, 2016 09:01 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: BearFlag at November 02, 2016 08:59 PM (Gk22/)
Glad to see we're not name calling. It's heartwarming, really. Warms the cockles.
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 09:01 PM (sK2fh)
Posted by: freaked at November 02, 2016 09:01 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: BearFlag at November 02, 2016 09:00 PM (Gk22/)
Not long enough.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2016 09:01 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at November 02, 2016 09:02 PM (75WaT)
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 09:02 PM (zu88C)
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No, no. Morons. Morons. Say it with me, "Morons."
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I AM SPARTACUS! at November 02, 2016 09:02 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: BearFlag at November 02, 2016 08:59 PM (Gk22/)
Are you one of those trolls who intentionally commits usage errors so we won't penetrate your cunning disguise?
Banality isn't a sin but it should be.
Posted by: troyriser at November 02, 2016 09:02 PM (mbhHA)
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket... wants a new party at November 02, 2016 09:02 PM (u5NuV)
Ted Cruz is coming to Michigan and Iowa to campaign with Mike Pence for the Trump Pence ticket.
Posted by: Jen the original at November 02, 2016 09:02 PM (oDUj/)
Has anybody seen the bridge?
Do you know the way to San Jose?
Have you ever seen the rain?
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 02, 2016 09:03 PM (sEi2i)
is that when they pried all the "W" keys off the keyboards?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2016 09:03 PM (J+eG2)
Posted by: Methos at November 02, 2016 09:03 PM (3Liv/)
Posted by: freaked at November 02, 2016 09:03 PM (BO/km)
and no I never really comment, but I have been a long time lurker
Posted by: BearFlag at November 02, 2016 09:00 PM (Gk22/)
Of course you are Dear.
Of course you are.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 02, 2016 09:04 PM (kdS6q)
Ted Cruz is coming to Michigan and Iowa to campaign with Mike Pence for the Trump Pence ticket.
Posted by: Jen the original at November 02, 2016 09:02 PM (oDUj/)
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Maybe he can go to WI too
Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 02, 2016 09:04 PM (BS8yt)
Posted by: MJ at November 02, 2016 09:04 PM (zgGh+)
Posted by: MJ at November 02, 2016 09:04 PM (zgGh+)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2016 09:03 PM (J+eG2)
That was the Clinton mob on the way out. Classy folks. Stole everything that wasn't nailed down, too. I think they had to return stuff, eventually.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2016 09:04 PM (zc3Db)
look where it got them
they are simply afraid
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 02, 2016 09:05 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Jen the original at November 02, 2016 09:02 PM (oDUj/)
I was a Cruz guy in the primaries. I'm glad he stepped up.
Posted by: troyriser at November 02, 2016 09:05 PM (mbhHA)
Chaffetz was one
Posted by: rhomboid at November 02, 2016 09:00 PM (QDnY+) ***
Chaffetz, a regular weather vane he is.
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket... wants a new party at November 02, 2016 09:05 PM (u5NuV)
Posted by: BeerFlag at November 02, 2016 09:05 PM (J+eG2)
Posted by: Glenn Beck at November 02, 2016 09:06 PM (dtWKK)
Good times indeed. But a fantasy land since few of our so-called conservative leaders are conserving anything beyond their careers.
Which is why Trump is the nominee.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at November 02, 2016 09:06 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: freaked at November 02, 2016 09:06 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2016 09:04 PM (zc3Db)
Who was it the other day who made the crack about all the curtains having been turned into muu-muus and mao suits?
I've been in a flu induced delirium since Sunday. Memory's not good.
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 09:06 PM (sK2fh)
Posted by: Bare Fag at November 02, 2016 09:06 PM (97XyN)
Posted by: madamemayhem at November 02, 2016 09:07 PM (yTnCT)
Posted by: BearFlag
You talk about yourself too much.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2016 09:07 PM (v4Dtx)
Posted by: BearFlag at November 02, 2016 09:05 PM (Gk22/)
You have to go all the way home just to turn off your computer? No wonder you're pissed off.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2016 09:07 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 02, 2016 09:07 PM (IqV8l)
I'm gonna have to call a doctor.
BTW, don't go away mad...just go away little man.
Posted by: Browndog at November 02, 2016 09:07 PM (ccfl2)
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 02, 2016 09:08 PM (CNHr1)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 09:08 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 09:08 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: MJ at November 02, 2016 09:08 PM (zgGh+)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 09:08 PM (y3aQB)
He'll end up being supported either by a Mormon group or entity that can keep him writing for some obscure journal or radio station in Utah.
Posted by: Jen the original at November 02, 2016 09:08 PM (oDUj/)
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 09:06 PM (sK2fh)
I don't know but I do remember seeing those words in a thread yesterday, I think. Too funny.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2016 09:09 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 09:09 PM (sK2fh)
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at November 02, 2016 09:06 PM (3myMJ) ***
DRAIN THE SWAMP
Good to see Cruz get on board.
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket... wants a new party at November 02, 2016 09:09 PM (u5NuV)
Posted by: Stating The Obvious at November 02, 2016 09:09 PM (cmE8J)
Posted by: MJ at November 02, 2016 09:04 PM (zgGh+)
WORD...I feel you.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'America just needs more cowbell! at November 02, 2016 09:09 PM (mL2BD)
Posted by: BareFag at November 02, 2016 09:10 PM (3Liv/)
Has anybody seen the bridge?
Do you know the way to San Jose?
Have you ever seen the rain?
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 02, 2016 09:10 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 02, 2016 09:10 PM (dKiJG)
That would be the furniture they stole. They did have to return it when it was pointed out to them that it belonged to the people and not them.
Grifter are going to grift.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 09:10 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at November 02, 2016 09:02 PM (75WaT)
Yes. Israeli intel let them know that their security was so bad that other guys were hacking them.
Posted by: @Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 02, 2016 09:11 PM (Om16U)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2016 09:11 PM (J+eG2)
Not many people anticipated/hoped for Trump to be the vehicle for disruption of what Drew thought needed disrupting, but - any grenade in a close-quarters fight, right?
I remain fairly astonished at the fastidiousness, and capacity for shock and outrage, of so many people who are upset by Trump - have they been on the int'l space station without comms since 2009?
Posted by: rhomboid at November 02, 2016 09:11 PM (QDnY+)
Evan McMullin campaign blames Trump for white nationalist's 'homosexual' attack
https://tinyurl.com/zm6gm8v
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I AM SPARTACUS! at November 02, 2016 09:11 PM (Nwg0u)
Has anybody seen the bridge?
Do you know the way to San Jose?
Have you ever seen the rain?
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
The pump don't work 'cause the vandal took the handle
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 02, 2016 09:11 PM (sEi2i)
Who's pissed off?
Don't go away mad.
Just go away.
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 09:11 PM (zu88C)
He was always crazier than an outhouse rat and dumber than dirt, AFAIAC.
Posted by: West at November 02, 2016 09:11 PM (r7MI/)
No!
He didn't have a shot of lasting a month as a candidate.
He didn't have a shot at producing a financial disclosure.
He didn't have a shot at winning a single state in the primary voting.
He had no shot at winning enough delegates to get the nomination.
He had no shot of getting the nomination even if he won the needed delegates.
He had no shot at winning a single state if he won the nominations.
He was finished due to saying mean things, multiple times.
No, he has no shot.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at November 02, 2016 09:12 PM (3myMJ)
Ted Cruz is coming to Michigan to campaign with Mike Pence
Posted by: Jen the original
"Hey! I can see my house from here!"
*waves at Canada*
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 02, 2016 09:13 PM (kdS6q)
https://tinyurl.com/zm6gm8v
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,
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Ladies and gentlemen, may I present the electoral stylings of ... Former President Mitt Romney!
Just kidding, Mitt.
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 09:14 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 02, 2016 09:14 PM (CNHr1)
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket... wants a new party at November 02, 2016 09:15 PM (u5NuV)
649 Am I mis-remembering or was there a time several years ago the WH
was the victim of a massive hack attack and they had severe computer
problems?
Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at November 02, 2016 09:02 PM (75WaT)
Yes. Israeli intel let them know that their security was so bad that other guys were hacking them.
Posted by: @Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 02, 2016 09:11 PM (Om16U)
Thanks! The lack of security with these rubes is incredible. Getting older and the email talk jogged a distant memory..
Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at November 02, 2016 09:15 PM (75WaT)
Posted by: West at November 02, 2016 09:11 PM (r7MI/)
to his credit, i think he was one of the first to outline on national TV just how evil 20th century progressivism was (esp. Wilson), and he had pretty darn good ratings on fox as i recall.
Still, the outhouse rat does say "what's this guy's problem?"
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 09:15 PM (sK2fh)
Has anybody seen the bridge?
Do you know the way to San Jose?
Have you ever seen the rain?
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
The pump don't work 'cause the vandal took the handle
I was born with a plastic spoon in my mouth.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 02, 2016 09:15 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 02, 2016 09:08 PM (CNHr1)
Evidently he was writing posts that really got the Vichy GOP types all hot and bothered. Stealth posts, at that.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2016 09:16 PM (zc3Db)
advance... but there will be a lot of deaths tonight in Chicago.
Fucking sad that's not just hyperbole.. it's the truth.
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Well, it's a day ending in 'y', so...
Posted by: Methos at November 02, 2016 09:16 PM (3Liv/)
Does anybody remember laughter?'
Has anybody seen the bridge?
Do you know the way to San Jose?
Have you ever seen the rain?
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
The pump don't work 'cause the vandal took the handle
I was born with a plastic spoon in my mouth.
Do you like the things that life is showing you?
Posted by: @Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 02, 2016 09:16 PM (Om16U)
"I don't remember a Jon E either and I've been here for at least 10 years."
John Ekdahl.
And with all the other #NeverTrump coblos they now inhabit the DDHQ and twitter-blow each other all day long about their intellectual and moral superiority.
twitter.com/JohnEkdahl
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 02, 2016 09:16 PM (kdS6q)
Great trolling that will set the witch off and it has the virtue of being true.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 09:17 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2016 09:11 PM (J+eG2)
That's quite the eulogy
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2016 09:17 PM (zc3Db)
You are trying to conflate two arguments, one sound and one psychotic. One is a practical argument, one that many others, like VDH (who I haven't lost an ounce of respect for in his support for Trump, because I see his case as a legitimate position even if I don't agree with it), have made well. This argument is, at the very least, important for anti-Trump conservatives to hear. The other is a (dubious) moral argument that is pure nonsense that seems to fill some emotional catharsis for you.
You use a definition of "the elites" and "the base" that you don't bother to define in meaningful detail, and this allows you to ignore internal divisions within those groups (like anti-Trump or unenthusiastic, grudgingly supporting blue collar whites, or the very real cultural and media prestige of Trump surrogates like Ann Coulter or Newt Gingrich), and because these expressions can mean anything to anyone, you use them to conjure a swindle narrative from whole cloth, where "the elite" have exploited the support of "the base", this base being the only ones contributing to the cause of this party's advancement in your telling of it, and suddenly when "the base" is in desperate need of reciprocation they carelessly abandon them and (of course) stab them in the back. Your side then gets to make a moral claim against the opposing side, giving you a pretense to extract a political concession from that group that they aren't interested in giving voluntarily. This is the Howard Zinn's People's History of the United States, Karl Marx's inevitable uprising of the working classes model of examining society, turning classes into philosophical characters (fictional avatars) who've done obviously good or bad things, to argue moral issues on the home field terrain of the the partisan's mind. And every serious historian or thinker (even on the left with Zinn and Marx) has recognized such thinking for the pseudo-thought it is. If you had to convert your elites vs base narrative into a real textbook history, where you could cite the forensic accounting of what took place in the political environment of 2016, explaining in explicit detail what your evidence or sources were for believing that accounting, what would you put down that wouldn't entirely evaporate the moral and emotional impact of your argument in its conversion, and make utter hash of of your groupings of real people that exist in the physical world outside of your Goofus and Gallant story about them?
When you make such an argument, you free yourself to focus on the awfulness of these awful people you've defined as the villain in your narrative ("the elites"), and side step a discussion about what specific Trump policies you think will actually be genuinely helpful to blue collar whites and how, or the argument about whether populist movements are inherently deserving of support as a moral axiom (Our Founding Fathers were keenly aware of the historical manifestations of populism, and consequently deliberately put checks on it in our foundational documents. That was elitist, but was it immoral or harmful to the population whose populism concerned them?).
Importantly, in your argument you also don't have to focus on the question of why non-college educated whites only ever show statistically significant support for Trump relative to Romney in response to news cycles dominated by Hillary's scandals (something Romney's support would also have benefited from, as would it have were he running against Hillary), that points to the dishonesty of your narrative as an argument that anti-Trump Republicans are harming something more than feelings. Certainly non-college educated whites are less skittish of or repelled (at least as far as partisan orientation is concerned) by Trump than the college educated, and certainly there are factions within the blue collar whites who are as crazy psyched for Trump as you say, but statistically they seem like they're no happier with Trump than any other Republican candidate (and, like the general public and every demographic within it, their support for either party waxes and wanes over a cycle of 2-3 presidential terms).
For your own self-reflection (or at least my own curiosity about it), do you genuinely care about these people in the blue collar white demographic, and will you continue to do so in 2020 when your recently stated primary political focus is your repudiation of the small cadre of culturally liberal, college conservative elites on twitter, and if so which of these concerns takes precedent? Have you considered at all if you might be using blue collar whites as a dehumanizing partisan cudgel the way the left uses blacks, gays, women, Hispanics? When your ADD drifts you back to fighting the horrible pink haired mutants that spring up during the Michelle Obama presidency, do blue collar whites remain a bigger part of your political narrative than they were the majority of years that I've read you, or is this concern-trolling about blue collar whites a fad topic like making fun of France and "fisking" Michael Moore during the Bush years?
Posted by: reform highlander at November 02, 2016 09:17 PM (xf3KI)
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 08:56 PM (sK2fh)
When Morsi won the election in Egypt, he and his MB gang went to Tehran for a confab with the Iranians. The Wahhabi MB and the Shi'a Ayatollah's are definitely an odd and dangerous mix. Our Intelligence Chiefs, who are obviously experts on ISIS (JV Team) and Muslim Brotherhood is a secular organization (DNI Crapper), did not bat an eye, just continued with the intelligence assessments of Libyan Air Defenses.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at November 02, 2016 09:17 PM (7N6ox)
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 09:15 PM (sK2fh)
he was responsible for the biggest tea party gathering ever
I can't thank Beck enough for that. He may have picked up a God complex directly after that too.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 02, 2016 09:17 PM (qCMvj)
Up against the wall you redneck mother
Does your chewing gum lose it's flavor on the bedpost overnight?
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Cripes, it's like MUMR without the capitals.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at November 02, 2016 09:18 PM (3myMJ)
so, more like a Graham Greene novel is what you're saying?
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 09:20 PM (sK2fh)
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket... wants a new party at November 02, 2016 09:20 PM (u5NuV)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2016 09:20 PM (J+eG2)
https://tinyurl.com/gsxhsx2
what in the Actual FUCK??
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 09:20 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: Methos at November 02, 2016 09:21 PM (3Liv/)
Posted by: reform highlander at November 02, 2016 09:17 PM (xf3KI)
Sounds intelligent, understands nothing, picks needless nits.
It's become all too familiar in this cycle.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at November 02, 2016 09:21 PM (3myMJ)
Just what makes that little old ant think he'll move that rubber tree plant?
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 09:22 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: concrete girl at November 02, 2016 09:22 PM (1KLmZ)
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 09:23 PM (sK2fh)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 02, 2016 09:17 PM (qCMvj)
Beck did some great things and was a real fighter at an important time .. but he didn't organize the biggest tea party gathering. That was when we all went to protest (against BarkyCare, mostly) in Washington and that was not Glenn Beck's doing. That was when multiple hundreds of thousands showed up ... and the news (and O'Reilly) reported that there were 65,000 people there.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2016 09:23 PM (zc3Db)
I came in like a wrecking baaallllll!
Posted by: madamemayhem at November 02, 2016 09:23 PM (yTnCT)
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 02, 2016 09:08 PM (CNHr1)
He was around for quite awhile. Mostly what he did was photoshops. And very few posts. And the podcast.
But really if you told me to list cobloggers, John E. never would have been on the list as one. The open bloggers are more cobloggers than he has ever been.
Posted by: buzzion at November 02, 2016 09:23 PM (z/Ubi)
http://tinyurl.com/juaqwnf
Just as I have been suspecting. There is a war between the DOJ and the FBI.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 09:23 PM (/tuJf)
Does anybody really know what time it is?
Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?
Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window?
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at November 02, 2016 09:24 PM (sdi6R)
What a movie review.
If you study the fate of nations and peoples in history, you know how the individual rights of Americas made the country revolutionary and successful.
Group rights and group think have failed since the Paris Commune of 1871. Even with and because of a massive death count. The Left and their religion of the State always fails.
The path of globalists and progressives is to a future of scarcity and suffering for all. If you embrace it, you are not my countryman.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2016 09:24 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Glenn Beck
You liked it when I grabbed you by the pussy.
Posted by: Charlie Rose at November 02, 2016 09:24 PM (5huyv)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 02, 2016 09:25 PM (97XyN)
juridical stylings of Gabe, who once - back to back, in less than 24
hours - railed against the obvious idiocy and harm of one SCOTUS ruling,
only to coo softly over the next one, even though it was equally
indefensible.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 02, 2016 08:55 PM (QDnY+)
Remember the time he encouraged us all to boycott Chik-fil-A?
The blowback was epic.
Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 02, 2016 09:26 PM (Enq6K)
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Well, yes, but not in the way they mean. Ryan's refusal to endorse and withdrawal of his endorsements were about the most valuable things he could have done.
Posted by: Methos at November 02, 2016 09:27 PM (3Liv/)
I was int the 9/12 march, and at the Glen Beck event the next year at the reflecting pool and the Lincoln Memorial. One was transformative, the Glen Beck event was smaller, but more informative. Sarah Palin was this tall (holds thumb and forefinger close).
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2016 09:27 PM (u82oZ)
Because you need help. From people like me. So you can be better.
Like us.
--
That definition of "elitist" you were looking for?
I think you found it.
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 09:27 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: reform highlander at November 02, 2016 09:17 PM (xf3KI)
Oh and forgot this...makes veiled assertions that ace is an cynical low-brow user of innocent victims in an attempt to garner political influence.
f u in particular.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at November 02, 2016 09:27 PM (3myMJ)
man I hope Trump wins.
Posted by: madamemayhem at November 02, 2016 09:28 PM (yTnCT)
This explains why FOX is reporting the investigation into the CGI has been going on for over a year and is now a "top priority".
The damn appears to be breaking.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 09:28 PM (/tuJf)
An indictment in "pay to play" - first, there would per force be a slew of such indictments coming down the road, given the nature of the business, and second, how could some of those indictments NOT include Frau Gruppencankles (my favorite of the various insulting nicknames)?
There are just so MANY clear, speak-for-themselves, de facto criminal violations of so many laws by so many of Clinton's team - and by her - that it really is a good measure of how off the track the US is that she can even be a political candidate of any sort.
But y'all kinda realized that. Well, maybe not BearFlag.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 02, 2016 09:29 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 09:20 PM (sK2fh)
Like a Tom Clancy novel that got burn bagged because he knew, nobody would buy that shit.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at November 02, 2016 09:29 PM (7N6ox)
Posted by: BearFlag at November 02, 2016 09:00 PM (Gk22/)er really
====================
He does lurk. I'll testify to that. In his tightie whities.
NOW PUT YOUR PANTS ON AND TAKE OUT THE TRASH, THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I'VE ASKED YOU TO DO THAT. LEAVE THESE POOR PEOPLE ALONE!
Posted by: Mrs. BearFlag at November 02, 2016 09:29 PM (tHwdc)
Hey BearFag allow me to recommend that you never get into a battle of wits when you're only half equipped for it.
Oh, and by the way Trump, because Fuck You.
Posted by: An Observation at November 02, 2016 09:30 PM (bUqYu)
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at November 02, 2016 09:30 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 09:31 PM (y3aQB)
Sounds intelligent, understands nothing, picks needless nits.
It's become all too familiar in this cycle.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at November 02, 2016 09:21 PM (3myMJ)
either reform highlander is lying about reading Ace for years, or he's playing dumb
he knows the answer to all of his questions
"elite" btw, is used by Continetti throughout his piece
and, if you know so much about Ace's internals, then you know he was a Cruz supporter until Trump won the nomination
Then, the pledge took effect. The pledge that the GOPe and the #nevertrumpers refuse to abide by - after arm-twisting Trump to do so.
hypocrisy
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 02, 2016 09:32 PM (qCMvj)
Yep. DOJ is the problem and always has been. The FBI can investigate forever and if DOJ won't prosecute it is all for nothing.
Comey may or may not be a villain.
Lynch is the devil.
night 'rons.
hasta lumbago
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 02, 2016 09:32 PM (zu88C)
I'm super cereal. The DOJ appears to have been knowingly obstructing the FBI for some time now.
No wonder Comey finally went public.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 09:32 PM (/tuJf)
We sometimes take the roundabout way to insult people here in Indiana--you know, the kind of rambling and convoluted slur where the target walks away wondering if he's been insulted--but yours is some kind of masterpiece. You should get a prize or something.
Posted by: troyriser at November 02, 2016 09:33 PM (mbhHA)
Me too. That was something. I took some of the worst, shakiest videos ever, there.
and at the Glen Beck event the next year at the reflecting pool and the Lincoln Memorial. One was transformative, the Glen Beck event was smaller, but more informative. Sarah Palin was this tall (holds thumb and forefinger close).
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2016 09:27 PM (u82oZ)
That was the one with Loretta Scott King, right?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2016 09:33 PM (zc3Db)
This explains why FOX is reporting the investigation into the CGI
has been going on for over a year and is now a "top priority".
The damn appears to be breaking.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 09:28 PM (/tuJf)
Can't....requires a subscription.
Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 02, 2016 09:34 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 09:28 PM (/tuJf)
Heh. Nice turn of phrase, there.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2016 09:34 PM (zc3Db)
Once you throw a bucketful of shit at the wall, no one wants to take the time to scrub it all off.
Here's one paper towels worth:
"You use a definition of "the elites" and "the base" that you don't bother to define in meaningful detail, and this allows you to ignore internal divisions within those groups (like anti-Trump or unenthusiastic, grudgingly supporting blue collar whites, or the very real cultural and media prestige of Trump surrogates like Ann Coulter or Newt Gingrich),"
You are slicing hairs, everyone understand the nuances of the multiplicity of interests that make up these larger groups, but it is counter productive to constantly have to make fine distinctions between every single sub-group while discussing larger issues that effectively make their competing interests irrelevant.
Also as to your larger point, as to whether Ace, or conservatives in general give a fuck about blue collar people, all we have to do is give .0000001 fucks, and that is 10,000 times the fucks that liberals and the establishment give for the people that build their houses, fix their plumbing and plow their driveways in the winter.
Posted by: West at November 02, 2016 09:34 PM (r7MI/)
Posted by: JackStraw
Are you trying to determine which commenters don't have a WSJ subscription?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2016 09:34 PM (v4Dtx)
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at November 02, 2016 09:35 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 09:35 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 09:36 PM (y3aQB)
Copy the headline, and paste it into google.
That will give you the link to the article.
When you click through from google, paywall isn't there and you can read the whole thing.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2016 09:36 PM (J+eG2)
Sure was. She was cogent.
I don't know how I missed you at the 9/12 march. There were so few of us.
I remember shouting at the reporter atop the Newseum "Do your Jobs." And how fervent the former Russians and Eastern Europeans were against pbho.
I reported on iit all to Hot Air. My wingmen and I carried some DOC Zero sayings as our signs.
Good times, good times.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2016 09:36 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 02, 2016 09:37 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket... wants a new party at November 02, 2016 09:37 PM (u5NuV)
To listen to you - one would think everything is going to hell in a handbasket. Like there'll be Civil Unrest or something. Like we can't vote our way out of this.
That's just crazy talk. I will not partake in such musings.
Posted by: ScoggDog at November 02, 2016 09:39 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 02, 2016 09:41 PM (0F67M)
Remember the time he encouraged us all to boycott Chik-fil-A? The blowback was epic.
Posted by: Tami
When he pitched a giant hissy, here, on other sites and on twitter -- for a week solid -- when someone at an immigration rally wore a homemade button of Marco Rubio in a sombrero.
Literally was having a cultural appropriation moment because "sombreros are Mexican, not Cuban!!!"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 02, 2016 09:41 PM (kdS6q)
Ekdahl came from NJ. He holds some longstanding grudge against Trump for the way he conducted business regarding his casinos.
I think Trump pisses a lot of people off because they are intimidated by type A personalities. I suspect that's why people like Merkel love refugees. They think of them as docile, humble people, not self confident, independent, bossy meanies like that horrid Trump fellow.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 02, 2016 09:42 PM (dtWKK)
Posted by: dartist at November 02, 2016 09:42 PM (ce4zT)
Posted by: ScoggAntelope at November 02, 2016 09:43 PM (3Liv/)
I reported on iit all to Hot Air. My wingmen and I carried some DOC Zero sayings as our signs.
Good times, good times.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2016 09:36 PM (u82oZ)
I think I was commenting on Hotair at the time, too - probably as progressoverpeace. I took a banner down with me and some guy helped me hold it open on the ... fountain, was it? I can't remember what it said but I know it was something really good. I was supposed to meet one of the old dudes from Hotair by the WWII memorial but couldn't make my way over there.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2016 09:43 PM (zc3Db)
Classy folks. Stole everything that wasn't nailed down, too. I think
they had to return stuff, eventually.
That would be the furniture they stole. They did have to return it
when it was pointed out to them that it belonged to the people and not
them.
Grifter are going to grift.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 09:10 PM (/tuJf)
Bing up the GAO's report "GAO-02-360", 220 pages of theft and trashing itemized, including TS breaches.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 02, 2016 09:43 PM (P/kVC)
Scogg Johnson is right !
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 02, 2016 09:41 PM (0F67M)
Grump Johnson is right! Harumpf
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at November 02, 2016 09:43 PM (7N6ox)
Posted by: JoeF. at November 02, 2016 09:45 PM (8HGb7)
Posted by: Jay Lee at November 02, 2016 09:46 PM (9FcfP)
Later. I'm too busy dealing with this ginormous schadenboner over the Clinton Crime Family being cornered by the FBI at long last.
Anybody want me to sent them a pic?
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 09:46 PM (/tuJf)
of populism, and consequently deliberately put checks on it in our
foundational documents. That was elitist, but was it immoral or harmful
to the population whose populism concerned them?
==========
I think you're conflating the plans of "elites" with the acknowledgement our Founders made of the base nature of man. They put God above man, and attempted to construct a system whereby we would be held accountable for our own welfare through our own labor, and at the same time be free of the tyranny of our leaders. Religion was the glue that would hold it together.
Now the state attempts to take the place of religion, and claims to protect us from "falling through the cracks," when, in fact, it undermines our strength at every turn. This results in a President who in modern times actually uses the phrase "the horror of self-reliance."
Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at November 02, 2016 09:46 PM (tHwdc)
Missed that, but it doesn't surprise me. Cum is thicker than water.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 02, 2016 09:47 PM (dtWKK)
A) NeverTrumpers get all their shit, wrap it up in a little blanket, put it in a backpack, so all their shit is there, in the backpack, together
and
B) The bastards who count the votes actually, you know, count the votes. No more, no less.
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 09:47 PM (sK2fh)
handbasket. Like there'll be Civil Unrest or something. Like we can't
vote our way out of this.
No, we can't vote our way out of this. The forces of darkness are too entrenched to be rooted out by votes. Votes can't change the bureaucracies, votes can't change the colleges, votes can't change the culture that the left has built up to keep the masses "unaware and compliant". Sooner or later blood will be shed over all this. The only choices we have left are "when" and "whose".
Posted by: An Observation at November 02, 2016 09:47 PM (bUqYu)
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 02, 2016 09:48 PM (CNHr1)
the best part... I laughed
Much of the skepticism toward the case came from how it started--with the publication of a book suggesting possible financial misconduct and self-dealing surrounding the Clinton charity. The author of that book, Peter Schweitzer--a former speechwriting consultant for President George W. Bush--was interviewed multiple times by FBI agents, people familiar with the matter said.
The Clinton campaign has long derided the book as a poorly researched collection of false claims and unsubstantiated assertions. The Clinton Foundation has denied any wrongdoing, saying it does immense good throughout the world.
Mr. Schweitzer said in an interview that the book was never meant to be a legal document, but set out to describe "patterns of financial transactions that circled around decisions Hillary Clinton was making as secretary of state."
which was Clinton Cash: The Untold Story of How and Why Foreign Governments and Businesses Helped Make Bill and Hillary Rich...
kudos to schweitzer
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 02, 2016 09:48 PM (qCMvj)
That will give you the link to the article.
When you click through from google, paywall isn't there and you can read the whole thing.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2016 09:36 PM (J+eG2)
Thanks, that worked.
Feces is hitting the oscillator.
Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 02, 2016 09:49 PM (Enq6K)
Ace if you're going to talk smack to guys like Continetti. Why don't you get started again on the podcast and invite Continetti on(Which you've done before), and discuss mano a mano. Or you are too chicken-shit to defend your Trump position with a real person ever since Ben Shapiro ate your lunch.
Posted by: Jay Lee (9FcfP)
Fun Fact
When tiny Ben Shapiro ate his lunch, Ben had to sit on a booster-seat to reach the table.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 02, 2016 09:50 PM (kdS6q)
I expect dinner and a movie first. At least a beer.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 09:50 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: MantuaBill at November 02, 2016 09:51 PM (RTLa1)
Fox reporting that according to FBI sources, an indictment is likely.
http://tinyurl.com/zedtnbf
If so, my guess its Huma. They won't come out and charge Hillary now.
Posted by: Revenant at November 02, 2016 09:51 PM (3DSAh)
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 02, 2016 09:51 PM (CNHr1)
That doesn't sound like a Harumph out of you.
You watch your ass.
Posted by: ScoggDog at November 02, 2016 09:51 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: Jay Lee at November 02, 2016 09:46 PM (9FcfP)
Ben's not doing so well these days. Sadly.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 02, 2016 09:52 PM (qCMvj)
Hey I think I found something wierd. Is this the sex cult temple on pedo island?!?? look up Little St. James on google earth.
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 09:52 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 02, 2016 09:53 PM (CNHr1)
___
No senor, we can. We are super duper conservatives and stuff.
Posted by: Future Legal Illegals at November 02, 2016 09:53 PM (ItFcN)
Did BearFag come back under an assumed name
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 09:54 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: JoeF. at November 02, 2016 09:55 PM (8HGb7)
you are too chicken-shit to defend your Trump position with a real person ever since Ben Shapiro ate your lunch.
Posted by: Jay Lee (9FcfP)
And technically, Ben Shapiro isn't a "real person".
We call them "the wee folk" and they dance on moonlit nights at the bottom of our garden, and leave fairy rings of mushrooms behind.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 02, 2016 09:56 PM (kdS6q)
And no, I didn't know he was gay until after he had left. I couldn't care less about that.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 02, 2016 09:56 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 02, 2016 09:56 PM (0F67M)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 09:54 PM (y3aQB)
Not that I noticed.
Posted by: TigerBanner at November 02, 2016 09:57 PM (cmE8J)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 02, 2016 09:58 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 02, 2016 09:58 PM (CNHr1)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 09:58 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Sea Monkey Pennant at November 02, 2016 09:58 PM (0F67M)
ha.
they might as well have started quoting rick astley songs at that point of the interview.
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 09:59 PM (sK2fh)
https://tinyurl.com/zpzhem9
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 09:59 PM (y3aQB)
Did BearFag come back under an assumed name
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 09:54 PM (y3aQB)
All of these angry, reflexive #nevertrumpers are still not getting that a vote for Trump for many is a NO VOTE for Hillary
Why does this fly over their heads? Do they need more material for their next column to stay afloat?
And, yes, it's valid to vote for Trump to keep Hillary out of the White House.
Hope they don't take their anger and anxiety to bed with them.
night all!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 02, 2016 10:00 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 02, 2016 10:00 PM (CNHr1)
Posted by: George C from Seventh Cavalry at November 02, 2016 10:00 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: Glenn Beck at November 02, 2016 10:00 PM (dtWKK)
Posted by: Lurky McLurkington at November 02, 2016 10:00 PM (sK2fh)
I don't think it's Huma. I think they are talking about the Clintons.
If you heard Baier tonight or on that clip at RCP, the focus is on Pay to Play and the CGI. They are going at the top of the pyramid.
Huma may get indicted too but the Clinton's are the target.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 10:01 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: JoeF. at November 02, 2016 09:55 PM (8HGb7)
An indictment of Huma Abedin would be a strike at her mistress, the Queen. You don't strike at the Queen and miss.
What I'm saying is if the FBI's got the goods on Hillary Clinton, then they'll need to take it all the way. Going after maidservants, flunkies and henchmen are half-measures. Half-measures won't do.
Posted by: troyriser at November 02, 2016 10:01 PM (mbhHA)
And no, I didn't know he was gay until after he had left. I couldn't care less about that.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 02, 2016 09:56 PM (hVdx9)
The biggest problem I had with Gabe (and Drew) was about Barky's (lack of) eligibility. They were totally 1000% nuts about that ... and Barky's history, in general. It seemed that they really preferred to keep their heads in the sand, which, given their points of view I can understand.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2016 10:01 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Dead Parrot Society at November 02, 2016 10:01 PM (AJeMv)
We call them "the wee folk" and they dance on moonlit nights at the bottom of our garden, and leave fairy rings of mushrooms behind.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 02, 2016 09:56 PM (kdS6q)
ha! You forgot to mention the flute.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 02, 2016 10:01 PM (qCMvj)
Frau Gruppencankles (my favorite of the various insulting nicknames)?
*bows theatrically........trips over coffee table and gets dick-punched by the dining room table*
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 02, 2016 10:01 PM (LuZz8)
@IngrahamAngle
I know you are watching the @Cubs but DVR @seanhannity bc I am on breaking news on criminal probe of Clinton Foundation.
Posted by: Evilpens at November 02, 2016 10:03 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45
You bet your sweet bippy we are, paleface.
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at November 02, 2016 10:05 PM (dtWKK)
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket... wants a new party at November 02, 2016 10:07 PM (u5NuV)
The elitesTM who continually drone on in fantastic scenarios, of supreme and powerful candidates who would be rolling to a Reagan level landslide. Yet, none of them, save Ted Cruz had the ability to last 2 months against Trump once voting started. John Kasich doesn't count, because he held out without a medal for win,show or place, until he got to Ohio. Yea John!
The elites like Jeb and John, who signed a loyalty oath, stating that they would support the nominee! Really? John wrote in John "Anchorman" McCain. Some oath, some doodadinal fortitude, words and bonds mean nothing.
Oh yeah, let's finish with nothing. 2010 Republicans fought and took the Congress, we will stop Obama they said (CRICKETS) 2012 we almost got the Senate and a bigger majority in the Congress, we will stop Obama they said (CRICKETS). In 2014 we poor schmucks gave them the full bicameral legislative majority, certainly this time, we will stop funding Obama's madness, they promised for sure this time (( CRICKETS X10)).
So, I don't care which proclaimed conservative has his or her feelings hurt or has proven themselves, as Ace so deftly pointed out, to be big mouthed frauds, I don't pretend to know what will happen if Trump is elected, but I sure as hell know what happens if Hillary wins. My money is on the dark horse.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at November 02, 2016 10:12 PM (7N6ox)
Posted by: JoeF. at November 02, 2016 10:14 PM (8HGb7)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 10:17 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2016 09:24 PM (u82oZ)
True, but I have a hard time seeing how a movement that reacts to my apostasies (which I didn't even know were apostasies until I was already guilty of them*) with such contempt for me and figures within the movement who I respect** actually cares about individual rights. I know there's a notion on much of the right that this election is so important that we can't indulge our past decency and idealism, but that's on the true believers to make the case for (or let Hillary make the case for, as she seems to be doing lately), or they have to find a new army to fight that cause.
*It never occurred to me for a second to grief the John McCain haters,
legion within the party, who wouldn't support him in '08 just because I
really didn't want Obama to be president.
**And the contempt for me or NRO types doesn't bother me for what it is, I don't mind the forum dwellers calling me troll, traitor, liar (so long as I'm not banned for being perceived as a troll or instigator), but for what it reveals about the moral reasoning of people I had previously respected.
Posted by: reform highlander at November 02, 2016 10:17 PM (xf3KI)
ace is an cynical low-brow user of innocent victims in an attempt to
garner political influence.
f u in particular.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at November 02, 2016 09:27 PM (3myMJ)
It wasn't an assertion, it was request for introspection. Every partisan is prone to this, myself included, but we recognize it for what it is when the left does it.
Posted by: reform highlander at November 02, 2016 10:20 PM (xf3KI)
Here's my introspection. I would vote for the living embodiment of Satan if it would keep Hillary Clinton from ever becoming President of the United States.
She is more evil than Satan and already done more damage to the country.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 02, 2016 10:24 PM (/tuJf)
You are so bien-pensant, yet Venezuela is 15 years past their Constitution. America is 8 years past ours. Hard times ahead, unless we change course.
Think game theory and iterative decisions. Are you advocating Tit for Tat is not a successful strategy?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2016 10:26 PM (u82oZ)
Read The Collapse of Complex Societies (198
by Joseph Tainter and get back to me. You seem ungrounded. There is information out there you will need to make better assessments.
And with that, everyone have a great night. Think about your Plan Bs. We may need them.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2016 10:30 PM (u82oZ)
On the other hand, as the Divine Willy said, "Filths savour but themselves."
The filthy pundit-wallahs are just livid that the honorable folk are finally realizing the depths of their mendacity.
Back to the World Series....
Posted by: Beverly at November 02, 2016 10:36 PM (dBEzT)
A great take down of the mindset of a #nevertrumper.
Trump Derangement Syndrome, Schoenfeld Edition
http://bit.ly/2fesByN
this really does apply to all #nevertrumpers
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 02, 2016 10:36 PM (qCMvj)
nuances of the multiplicity of interests that make up these larger
groups, but it is counter productive to constantly have to make fine
distinctions between every single sub-group while discussing larger
issues that effectively make their competing interests irrelevant.
Posted by: West at November 02, 2016 09:34 PM (r7MI/)
I don't think I am, though. I get the idea of shorthand (well, in theory, not so much in practice as so many of you are complaining), but the shorthand has to represent something tangible in the real world. A point I've probably brought up at least twice in previous threads, Ace keeps trying to carry over his indictments of the anti-Cruz GOPe of McConnell to be applicable to guys who actively worked on the campaign for Ted Cruz in the primaries like Jay Nordlinger. And he keeps trying to stretch a valid critique, applicable in specific incidents or even to specific people, to a general critique of anyone who disagrees with him on an issue where he was on the "elites" side not that long ago, and very proactive about rhetorically stomping down Trump's primary support (the people who wanted him when they had a buffet of options).If this were an abstract argument of elite culture vs politically marginal cultures, the short hand would be fine. But this is an emotionally-charged moral indictment of real people with sincere disagreements, with positions which would never have even been controversial within this political movement before this year's primary (Ace sure didn't think so when he was shilling for Cruz, because he had no reason to when it went against his partisan instinct of that time and place). Ace's argument conceals with in it tons of more specific arguments (a few of which I brought up specifically in that post) which his comments seem more designed to conceal than illuminate.
Were McCain the winner of this years primary (I know he didn't run), and I said "I can't vote for him, he's too RINO", nobody would bat an eye. If I say "I can't vote for Trump, he's too RINO" I'm a traitor. Why is the latter a moral indictment of me and not of the loyalty police who can't stomach the insult of my withheld affirmation of them?
Posted by: reform highlander at November 02, 2016 10:44 PM (xf3KI)
I thought I knew the answer to all of my questions, until 2016. Yeah, I remember Ace adamantly supporting Cruz over Trump (I've quoted his comments about Trump from that era in my own posts in on prior threads). I agreed with his comments at the time, and I know he says he changed his mind, but I don't get why the Ace who constantly over the years said that you can't expect everyone else to be on your wavelength suddenly expects everyone to be on his right now wavelength rather than his March 2016 wavelength (I know everyone's gonna say "because Hillary", but that was the threat back then as well, when he was saying stuff like "I will vote for Hillary before I support this dangerous, venomous scumbag" of Trump, and doing more to poison Trumps brand rhetorically than anyone at NRO).
Posted by: reform highlander at November 02, 2016 11:46 PM (xf3KI)
No one realized the breadth and depth of corruption and of each party and the collusion between them.
Every day since the primaries has been a revelation.
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket... wants a new party at November 02, 2016 11:53 PM (9J7Sc)
Posted by: Special snowflake at November 03, 2016 12:02 AM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Anchovy at November 03, 2016 12:09 AM (c86/W)
search this site in Google, and easily find Ace advocating or defending the
top-down removal of Todd Akin from his position in the party by party
leadership, because he's too embarrassing to Ace's cosmopolitan
sensibilities. I would say Akin's supporters are part of the politically
marginal whites demographic that Trump is supposed to be the savior of,
right? Why do I need to be responsive of these moral class sentiments
on demand (and not just the sentiment, but the prescribed political reaction to them) when it's obvious the application of them is so insincere? I don't mean to say consciously cynical like a previous comment accused
me of saying about Ace, but I do think Ace is overlooking the fact that
as important as this argument about elites vs the base may be, it is a
(thoughtlessly, unintentionally) dishonest use of that argument in place
of the one that obviously is emotionally animating him.
If we do want
to give the arguments about conservatives abstaining or defecting on
Trump the honest airing that Ace keeps talking about, that demands that
we address that argument separately from the emotional appeal argument
of hurting working class whites. We can argue that one too, but that's
going to require Ace or others taking this cause up from the pro-Trump side to
give the concept of "helping working class whites" some substantive thought beyond "elites don't like Trump, so you're hurting the working class by not supporting him".The lack of substance devoted to this claim, and to the rhetorical connection of this issue to Trump's success, is in itself damning, especially by contrast with the amount of front page text devoted to explaining sub-tweeting so that Ace could explain to us how awful the usually un-named NeverTrumpers on twitter who he argues with are. I certainly don't have an exhaustive knowledge of any political writer's output, but when I do see the topic of the contemporary struggles of working class whites treated substantively and with practical policy solutions discussed, it's the anti-Trump conservative Charles Murray who is doing it, not the enthusiastically pro-Trump pundits. I sure as hell don't see Hannity and Ingrahim articulating what Trump could/would do to rejuvenate the economic conditions of the white working class (someone will probably mention that I'm ignoring immigration restriction or trade protectionism, but fixing these probably doesn't do much for most of the worst off states, like Indiana or W. Virginia).
Ace has written a lot of brilliant stuff, but he's never that I can recall written substantively on the economic distress of the white working class, they just get quick aside mentions in posts like this one ("I talk to working class whites all the time, and they all say to me 'Ace, we really need you take down Crooked Hillary this year, because you know these elites, they're just so stupid they don't know what they're doing, and China and Russia's elites are way smarter than our elites'"), while the meat of the post is dedicated to re-conceptualizing Ace's twitter enemies as The Real Social Justice Warriors. I'm not saying Ace doesn't care about this group, but Ace is making that same accusation of un-caring about a lot of people, I think undeservingly. Even if he's right (I usually don't know who the specific people he's fighting with on twitter are), we all have massive gaps in our ability to empathize, yes including people with college degrees and "mindwork" jobs, and treating people's empathy blindspots or improperly sorted empathy stacks as a moral indictment of them is authoritarian-leftist bullshit.
Posted by: reform highlander at November 03, 2016 12:44 AM (xf3KI)
Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at November 03, 2016 01:55 AM (U2dnQ)
What didn't people know? I certainly knew that the Clintons were selling access to themselves and their inner circle to global elites in the 90s, because a Newsweek article about it was the centerpiece of a report on political corruption that I did for a high school English class. In the '08 primary I decided I preferred that crooked stuff to the ideological stuff from Obama (not to mention the cult of personality around Obama, which tends to be the most horrifying thing to me in presidential politics), and rooted for her to beat him in the primary.
We knew about Benghazi during the primary, and we knew about the private server (the investigation was unfinished, but there was never any doubt in my mind that it was used for, of course, selling access to global elites and keeping private the communications on the blatantly fishy inner workings of the CGI). We knew about Bill being a sexual super-predator, and her running interference for his scumminess. If you believe in the trail of dead bodies conspiracy about the Clintons (I don't) we knew about that beforehand, too.
And hey, there's plenty of reason in my past two paragraphs to justify voting for Hillary's opposition candidate for most people, and I honestly take no issue about anyone voting for Trump as a repudiation of Hillary (as I always say, my posts on this issue are almost entirely from a perspective of defending dissenting conservatives, not attacking or even disputing the Trump supporters who would prefer someone else, but who see the respective candidates threats differently than I do).
But I've also in past forums drafted similar lists of Trump's history of corruption, which to me is mostly scummier (mainly on the grounds of them being concentrated on direct victims, where the Clinton's are more like global scale Tammany Hall-style corruption). Sure, it's hard to come up with an analog for Benghazi for any figure who hasn't served in a foreign policy role before, which actually got Americans killed, but I don't have any analog to judge Trump's foreign policy instincts and competence except his rhetoric, so I personally feel I have to extrapolate from his rhetoric, moral reasoning, and demonstrated comprehension of world affairs (I think it's perfectly fair if you don't, since it is a counterfactual, but so are the arguments about the coming dark age for conservatism under Hillary I keep getting threatened with).
Posted by: reform highlander at November 03, 2016 02:29 AM (xf3KI)
The
most important assumption I'm not seeing eye to eye on with people, though, isn't
the respective awfulness of Hillary vs Trump, it's:
1.) the long-term
influence on public support for your ideology after exposing the general
public to 4 scandal-intensive years of a ferociously despised
presidential candidate, taking office with abysmal public support for
their agenda. You may see a long term strategy for success in that, but I just don't. It's hard to say with absolute certainty, but history does
seem to bear out that unpopular presidents damage their own party not the opposition, and I
honestly think either of these candidates hurts their own party more than supreme court appointment will help it
(with the caveat that the potential formation of a new, competing
conservative party does give a decade of uncontested dominance to
Democrats, but one that may be worth it long term given what little regard any side of this debate has for the party right now). We can
pretty much see this phenomenon happening right before our eyes, with 2nd term Obama looking primed to leave office with low-ish approval
ratings until the primary happened, and the public's contempt for the
two general election candidates driving Obama's approval ratings to the
point where he looks like he'll be leaving with near Reagan-level
approval.
And 2.) I have a really hard time seeing the impulses
that have popped up on the right just this year as being conducive to
anti-authoritarianism. They may just be the temporary emotions of an
ugly election cycle, but even a party where every candidate was
Reagan-caliber would lose its appeal for me really fast if its base
turned emotionally hostile at my skipping out on an election because I
didn't like the candidate. I can deal with nastiness directed at me
online or in conservative media, but what I can't do is see people
acting like that and displaying that temperament as having internalized a
valuing of liberty or as offering a meaningful alternative to social
justice warriors.
As to your comment about collusion between the
parties, certainly there's issues like immigration reform where there's
high bipartisan support in the legislature that does not exist much
outside of D.C., and I do agree with a lot of Ace and Drew M's critiques
of the GOPe (where the term isn't expanded to refer to pundits), but
it's not like the right hasn't also had partisan successes in the
legislature. Post-ACA, Obama's legislative agenda was largely stopped
dead (sure, there's still his executive orders and the supreme court
rulings and the psychic affirmation of his presidency that emboldened
SJWs into becoming a tangible misery for the country), but these critiques of Washington have moved beyond their valid basis and transformed into just paranoid fantasies.
I do think Comey misused his position when he initially cleared Hillary of wrong-doing on her private server, and I do think being terrified of a Trump presidency was the most likely motive, but we now have fairly clear proof that the FBI was not HRC's kept pet (as so much of Ace's Trump advocacy has insisted on). It was a guy (or possibly a corporate clique) in a position of authority, facing a genuinely morally tricky question of his influencing a presidential election, who let his judgment be compromised. And when he had a partial opportunity to rectify that judgment he did it at the most Trump-friendly time frame, erasing the blowout Hillary victory that polls were showing. The Democratic Party is powerful right now, but not as powerful as people are imagining, and not so powerful that Hail Mary strategies that can easily blow up in our face are worth the risk for anyone who can't stomach the idea of living in an America with no conservative opposition party.
Posted by: reform highlander at November 03, 2016 03:11 AM (xf3KI)
Wikileaks is a game changer.
I was at Beck's DC event with Palin etc.
I knew he was broken beyond repair...
when he was abusive toward nice lady in "patriot costume" at one of his events.
he always needed the acceptance of the people he's "courting" now, because of some deep deep deep insecurity.
He will now proceed to become David Brock.
It's truly painful to watch.
Posted by: rusty shackleford at November 03, 2016 03:26 AM (pHVJG)
by Joseph Tainter and get back to me. You seem ungrounded. There is
information out there you will need to make better assessments.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2016 10:30 PM (u82oZ)
Wait, and NeverTrump are the dismissive elitists?Speaking of needing information to make better assessments, do you think Trump has read this or any comparable books?
"My you think so highly of yourself. "Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2016 10:26 PM (u82oZ)
You're asking me to support Trump, how is this an insult in your mind? Inhumanly high self-regard is his defining quality.
"It's not
apostasies so much as uninformed blather. Data trumps theory, and data
is on the side of Trump and his policies, not Hillary and hers.
"There is no data on what happens over the next 4 years though. How is your blather about this period more informed than mine? And why does my being uninformed make me a traitor to America and to conservatism, but Trump being far more uniformed makes him the only possible savior of America and conservatism?
"You are so bien-pensant, yet Venezuela is 15 years past their
Constitution. America is 8 years past ours. Hard times ahead, unless we
change course.
Think game theory and iterative decisions. Are you advocating Tit for Tat is not a successful strategy?"
What is this stuff supposed to mean to me? "Change course" was an empty phrase from Democrats in '08 (really of any anti-incumbent campaign). "Hard times ahead" is rarely untrue in any place or time in history. There is nothing axiomatic about Tit for Tat being a successful strategy or not. Some attempts at "Tit for Tat" strategy result in Dresden being firebombed for the honor-avenging party.If we were mad at the left for foisting an Al Sharpton presidency on us, then Trump would be a tit for tat response, but actually we're mad at the left because their intellectual and creative classes engaged in a patient, century-long silent war involving complex and subtle strategizing, cultural subversion, indirect, below radar, ambient messaging, and we've decided our best and most effective tit for tat response action is the time-honored strategy of ghetto-style diss fights revolving around points of male ego in the public square, while purging our own intellectual and creative classes from positions of influence (Though we did borrow the friendly relationships with Russian dictators element). Not saying it won't be a "successful strategy", just that that is an un-proved proposition.
You can think my arguments are dumb and wrong, but there's at least discrete statements that can be argued on their individual merits. I can't argue "Oh yeah, well maybe YOU should be thinking about NON-iterative decisions, and you're not seeing how we should be staying the course actually, because there's this really sweet part of the course that comes up later if you stay on it." "You're thinking wrong" doesn't help me even see what "thinking right" is to you, and I hate to be bearer of bad news but I'm not sure I'll be able to get to the Tainter book you recommended between today and Nov. 8th with how behind I am at work right now.
Posted by: reform highlander at November 03, 2016 04:44 AM (xf3KI)
And there you are at 4:44 AM making the most longwinded arguments against voting for the GOP nominee that I've seen posted on any forum, right or left.
I was vehemently opposed to Trump in the primaries but when the time came to vote the day before yesterday I voted straight-ticket Republican with Trump at the top of the ballot. Hillary Clinton, easily one of the most corrupt public figures in American history,made it easy.
Of itself, the corruption wouldn't be so bad. Most politicians are compromised, in thrall to one interest or another. But she isn't just rancid withcorruption. She's incompetent, too. From the looks of those emails, the people surrounding her are incompetent too, the biggest pack of crooked nincompoops on the American political scene since Harding's Ohio Gang.
Rationalize your choice all you want but please don't claim your choice is based on reason or facts in evidence. You have a visceral dislike of Trump (to which I can relate), and you're letting that repugnance guide your decision-making.
No rational person would view Hillary Clinton as the lesser evil to anyone, much less Donald Trump.
Posted by: troyriser at November 03, 2016 08:24 AM (OGbEB)
Posted by: George LeS at November 03, 2016 11:58 AM (+TcCF)
WRONG, Reform Highlander. WRONG. Most of us were not thrilled with John McLame, but we sucked it up and voted for him because we knew, perhaps instincitvely, perhaps empirically, that the Obamunist would be much worse than Billy Jeff, Jimmuh Cartur, or LBJ ever were.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 03, 2016 01:43 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Random Thought Generator at November 03, 2016 04:39 PM (XfHd6)
2) I treat this election like the Illinois elections of 1858. In that year, the Republican Party nominated Abraham Lincoln as its candidate for U.S. Senator, against incumbent Democrat Senator Stephen Douglas. The campaign that followed included the famous Lincoln-Douglas debates.
But there was no actual vote for Senator that year; Douglas was re-elected to the Senate by the vote of the Illinois legislature in early 1859. All the campaigning in 1858 was for elections to the legislature. Because of the enormous significance of national issues (and one issue in particular), those state elections became almost entirely a proxy for the Federal Senate seat.
This year, the Presidential election is a proxy for the vacant Supreme Court seat. Just as in 1858, the more important office (in the long term) overrides other concerns.
3) Ace is confused. There is the "GOP establishment" - the mainstream officeholders and organizers - and there is the "conservative establishment" (National Review, the think tanks). They don't agree on everything; in fact, the conservatives have often been a scourge to the GOPe. NR have been immigration hawks for many years. They rejected Trump because he is personally repulsive, has no apparent understanding of or commitment to conservative principles, and a long history of friendship and accommodation with the liberal/Democrat establishment (i.e. the Clintons).
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