It's Not Monday Anymore. Now It Shall Only Be Called GAINZday.

I'm still out of my stall, and making GAINZ, though at a rate slower than I'd hope for. Apparently I lost six pounds of pure fat since late August, and I imagine most of that was lost since late September (when I broke my long, long depressing, dispirting stall).

I guess: Just stick with it? That's what I kept telling myself as I made ZERO GAINZZZ and even some LOZZEZZ. I kept telling myself: Stick with it. It has to work. It's basic math. Well, not math, but like math: It's biochemistry that certainly seems to have to work. It worked before. You're in a stall now, but it worked before: the principle is sound, then, it seems. But your body is in revolt: It has a set weight the hypothalamus wants it to be at, and it is fighting tooth and nail to go no lower than this resistance point. (And this has always been my resistance point, through several rounds of weight loss.)

You just have to ride this disheartening period of NO GAINZZ out, I kept telling myself.

I think it worked. I think I broke the resistance point, and maybe set a new one five pounds lower.*

We'll see whether this mantra can get me through my next scheduled stall.

When you're not seeing any GAINZZ, it really does kill your resolve. Why bother trying if you're continuing to fail?

Of course, even when I was stalled as far as pure weight loss, I had other GAINZZ I was sort of ignoring. I was dropping clothing sizes. Old pants look increasingly silly on me, with the belt all cinched in tight. I could physically see that I was leaner.

Anyway, when I began this thread months ago, I mentioned to not just get your validation from one or two sources; look for multiple indicators of success. The scale can swing one or two pounds in either direction based on how well hydrated you are, for example. If you just look at the one marker, that one marker can show no GAINZZ, and thus break your spirit.

But when you're on the lookout for five or six markers -- not just weight, but caliper-measured bodyfat percentage, waist, hip, and chest circumference (yeah I know both men and women want bigger chests, but anyone with weight troubles know that there's often undesirable padding in the measurement), and, importantly, how you look by the simple eye test and how you feel -- you're much more likely to see a GAIN somewhere in that stack, and therefore get the validation and positive feedback which, let's face it, unless you have an iron willpower and Tom Cruise-level of self-mastery, you're going to need if you're going to keep this up for more than a couple of months.

Two months is easy. Then it gets hard. Just like marriage, just like keeping a kidnap victim in your basement.

So: 1, I need to know your GAINZZ, and 2, I'd especially like to hear if anyone's in a stall, and even more especially, if anyone's gotten through a stall, and what you did to get those GAINZZ back again.

* I gotta tell you I was also feeling like a total asshole running this thread while also being in a five or six week stall. It was getting so bad I really did consider if the Greater Good would be served if I straight-up lied to everyone and said I made GAINZZ I hadn't actually made -- like, not to make myself look good (who cares, honestly) but just so as not to sabotage anyone else's resolve by telling them "Stick with your dreams if you like, but in the end, it shall all come to naught, as it has for me. You're better off not even trying. You'll lose the first twenty easy pounds -- gimmes, really -- and then guess what? Then you start going after the hard weight, and the GAINZZ store shuts down and closes forever."

You know, "Ozymandias" is just ancient Greek for "Fleeting GAINZZ."

(By the way -- 20 pounds is my level of easy weight loss. Depending on how overweight you are, you'll have higher or lower easy-to-lose weight. The closer you get to a normal weight, the harder each additional pound of fat is to lose. When you get down to sub-normal-levels of fat -- like going for a really athletic 8% bodyfat build -- each ounce of fat becomes harder and harder to shred off. If you're very heavy, you might have 35-40 of easily-shed weight. If you're already closer to being at normal weight, you might lose five of the easy pounds and then have nothing but hard pounds left.)

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Posted by: Sixkiller at October 24, 2016 05:25 PM (mFA3Z)

2 Back to read the content.

Posted by: Sixkiller at October 24, 2016 05:25 PM (mFA3Z)

3 Squatsday

Posted by: garrett at October 24, 2016 05:26 PM (jyw33)

4 Good job, Ace.

You should ride that confidence high - get out there and grab some mish.

Posted by: garrett at October 24, 2016 05:27 PM (jyw33)

5 I had to switch to a smaller belt and smaller pants. Headed to the gym for some more GAINZ in about an hour or so.

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 24, 2016 05:27 PM (GUBah)

6 maybe you have a too-muh

Posted by: that kid in Kindergarden Cop at October 24, 2016 05:27 PM (/542q)

7 So I spent a week at Disneyworld. I was on a family vacation and was worried about losing my gainz.

Broke even - no weight gained/lost, and I was drinking up a storm (only way I can tolerate Disney) as well as eating more carbs than usual. IF took a hit too.

So this all gives me some hope that when I hit my target weight (10 lbs to go) that my maintenance plan won't be as awful as I thought. I think something happened to my body where I can fall off the wagon for a bit and not have it erase weeks of Gainz.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 24, 2016 05:27 PM (qcCvJ)

8
I'd especially like to hear if anyone's in a stall

Every night.

Posted by: Sarah Jessica Parker at October 24, 2016 05:28 PM (LuZz8)

9 It has a set weight the hypothalamus wants it to be at, and it is fighting tooth and nail to go no lower than this resistance point.

I think my hypothalamus is all jacked up due to the days when I used to juice fast.

I need to know your GAINZZ

Besides pants fitting looser and subtle cuts returning to limbs, a better mental attitude when I leave the gym. Better prepared to face this clusterfukk called Life.

Posted by: kallisto at October 24, 2016 05:28 PM (nNdYv)

10 I had Pecan Pie, with Ice Cream yesterday.

That's gonna count for some gainz, right?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 24, 2016 05:29 PM (J+eG2)

11 Two months is easy. Then it gets hard. Just like marriage, just like keeping a kidnap victim in your basement.

Ace, my man, you're doing it wrong. A half-buried bus out in the desert somewhere, that's where you keep them.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, deplorably down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 24, 2016 05:29 PM (9krrF)

12 In a stall.

With a crate.

Posted by: Zombie Mendoza at October 24, 2016 05:29 PM (jyw33)

13 Look on my pecs, ye girly, and despair!

Posted by: Ozygaindias at October 24, 2016 05:30 PM (eXSOZ)

14 I ran a 5k this weekend. Finished about 31:30. Was hoping to break 30 min, but not bad given that I haven't really trained much.

I I sort of like the distance. Anything shorter and it's a sprint, and I hate the feeling of lungs running out of air that I get when I'm running as fast as I can. Anything longer than 3 or so miles and it requires spending chunks out of your day more than an hour at a time to prepare for. I'd love to be fit enough to run a marathon, but I don't have the discipline to go run for 2 hours after work, 3 days a week.

So that's where I'm at.

Posted by: Joe, living mobile at October 24, 2016 05:30 PM (5fWqw)

15 I've had several stalls. Watch the diet, keep the carbs out and don't be afraid of high fat. That with just a little exercise (running 2-3 miles, 2-3 times a week) and the Gainzz will resume.

Posted by: WisRich at October 24, 2016 05:30 PM (hdpay)

16 yea, I'm in a stall.

>taptap<

Posted by: Larry Craig at October 24, 2016 05:31 PM (27KAF)

17 So, I went to a convention in Vegas. Ate ONCE a day. Somewhat nutritional food.

Was on my feet for 7 hours at least for 2.5 days, all of it walking.

I'm afraid of my scale, but my clothes told me I've lost weight.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at October 24, 2016 05:31 PM (hqqM5)

18 Squats day indeed.

After reading a lot of the comments from the lifters on this thread, I realized I had been neglecting my foundation, so I went back to basics: sets of 5/6 reps at the same weight for 3-4 sets before moving on. A month ago, I started at 285 for 3 sets of 5 reps in the squat. I only moved on after I could do the 3 work sets at the heavy weight. Today, I did 3 sets of 5 reps at 300 in the squat. Plus accessory work. Very happy with that.

Last Friday, I did 4 sets of 6 reps at 300 pounds in the deadlift using the double overhand grip. No wraps at all, just a weight belt. Very happy with that too. I can feel my grip getting stronger every time out.

So thanks to Magoo, Brak, and Broseidon for the tips.

Posted by: Sixkiller at October 24, 2016 05:31 PM (mFA3Z)

19
If you need motivation, try music.

This mash-up video usually does the trick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8QT06yKim8

"Last Resort" set to movie clips of 300. Awesome shit, bro.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2016 05:31 PM (A9wTi)

20 Stalls are ok. It's the body catching up with the new dynamic. Metabolism has to change and reset to the new norm. Then comes more GAINZZ.
The reason to keep at it is two fold.
One, you are keeping up a good habit.
Two, the exercise helps other body functions. Heart, lungs, etc.
And let's face it, the endorphins make you feel good.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 24, 2016 05:31 PM (0tfLf)

21 3 Squatsday

Every day is squats day.

Posted by: Hope Solo at October 24, 2016 05:32 PM (krea5)

22 Trying to get back on track again. No sugar yesterday, and no sugar today. If I can bring myself back to eating sweets only on Friday nights and Saturdays then I should start losing weight again.

I'm back in the gym at least twice a week, now all I need to do is work back up to where I was before I took a break, as well as add in some cardio.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at October 24, 2016 05:32 PM (FYrz1)

23 I played 9 holes with my neighbors Sat, but I think that the 19th hole wiped out any gainzz.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 24, 2016 05:32 PM (6Ll1u)

24 New flexibility goal: better kneeling firing position being able to sit back on foot. This has been issue for a while and I've been ignoring it. Get serious!
Also need to floss more.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 24, 2016 05:32 PM (CL/wa)

25 @ 8 Sarah Jessica Parker,

"I'd like to hear from anyone in a stall."

I was getting stalled often. I added a 1 day fast to the IF/exercise I was doing (fast every Friday- still drink the ace coffee on fast day but that's it) and that seems to break right through the stalls.

I'm down 38 pounds since July 1st and waist went form 52 to 34 inches.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at October 24, 2016 05:32 PM (cCxiu)

26 We joined the Y a few months ago. We go about 3 times a week. There are a lot of exercises I can't do because of physical limitations, so we thought swimming would be a good choice.

Can't swim there. The water is freezing. Freezing. So we use the treadmill and the elliptical thing and I do some stuff for legs.

Last week we went on a short vacation. The place we stayed at had a wonderful pool. Perfect temperature. Great for laps. I stayed in the hot tub and drank wine instead.

Tonight I plan on eating half a pumpkin pie for dinner. This is my fitness report.

Posted by: grammie winger at October 24, 2016 05:33 PM (dFi94)

27 Official weigh in today was 268.4 pounds. That's 40 pounds down since July 7.

I have had a couple stalls along the way, most significantly around the 35 pound mark. I would hit it and then go back up a couple pounds and then hit it and go back up a couple. This was partly because every week or so I would have some big weekend event where I would drink a bunch of alcohol and get the munchies leading to eating late at night. I broke it by just eating high fat foods while remaining disciplined on the booze and IF fronts.

With a little more than four weeks to go I am hoping to be down no less than 45 pounds at Thanksgiving so I have to stay on track for a loss of just over one pound per week for the until then. Seems doable.

My next goal after that (and the first reward goal I have set for myself) is to hit -50. When that happens I will buy myself a nice bottle of single malt as a reward.

Posted by: Texas Zombie at October 24, 2016 05:34 PM (SUtNI)

28
The reason you stalled is because you're not making progress or not making progress fast enough. This is YOUR fault. Here's how you break through this funk:

1. Never skip a day.
2. Never skip a day.
3. Never skip a day.

Because one day turns into two, two days turn into three, ....

4. Do something different. Do something you have never done before. For example, adjust your weight/reps.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2016 05:34 PM (A9wTi)

29 10 I had Pecan Pie, with Ice Cream yesterday.

That's gonna count for some gainz, right?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 24, 2016 05:29 PM (J+eG2)
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This pie and ice cream - tell us more.

Posted by: Weasel at October 24, 2016 05:34 PM (Sfs6o)

30 I'm stalled. I admit it.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 24, 2016 05:35 PM (8yzWS)

31 >>>Can't swim there. The water is freezing. Freezing.

too bad. If it were a little warmer, it would be good -- a lot of people think swimmers keep lean partly because it takes so much energy simply to maintain their internal temperature when exposed to cool water.

(Tim Ferriss suggests taking cold showers every day for this reason. And also because it seems to increase testosterone, a leaning hormone in both men and women. He also advises drinking your water sick-cold -- in the fridge, and then with big piles of ice in it. The more your force your body to burn energy just to maintain core temperature, the more GAINZZ you get.)

Posted by: ace at October 24, 2016 05:35 PM (8rNrN)

32 could there be a photo accompanying this thing? from the shoulders down, in a grungy t shirt, perhaps. slouching.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 24, 2016 05:36 PM (WTSFk)

33 _Posted by: The Walking Dude at October 24, 2016 05:32 PM (cCxiu)_

that's good work by you!

Tonight I plan on eating half a pumpkin pie for dinner. This is my fitness report.

Fresh Market has the best pies. I've been attacking the small ones. The peach pie is so good, the peaches in the filling are firm, not mushy. Next stop:
pumpkin pie.

And then I will get serious about appropriate food choices. But first I had to get the Pie Binge out the way.

Posted by: kallisto at October 24, 2016 05:36 PM (nNdYv)

34 "I think it worked. I think I broke the resistance point, and maybe set a new one five pounds lower.* We'll see whether this mantra can get me through my next scheduled stall." --Ace

So what does this mean, breaking the resistance point and resetting it at a lower weight point? I've never heard of this. Is there science on this?

Posted by: Smallish Bees at October 24, 2016 05:37 PM (YPgXi)

35 So Ace, you made Democrat Gainzz.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at October 24, 2016 05:38 PM (xInes)

36 Gained back a a few pounds then Stalled. Sucks. I'm going to try tha fat fast. I haven't been working the bags because...house. But seriously you guyz, I've been going up and down a ladder 1000 times a day so that's something. My calves are like BULGING man and my buns well...

So if I get depressed, i measure my thigh and pretend its my waist. Need to get back on the bags though.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'America just needs more cowbell!' at October 24, 2016 05:38 PM (Jr08r)

37 *looks at royalty payments*

Yep writing is a hobby. So spent about two hours today in a writers group. So that is a 'gainzz' right?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2016 05:38 PM (pBudL)

38 Really struggling right now due to my arthritis.

Can't lift at all so just walking so far this week and even that is painful. Should get better as I get used to the cold again.

Posted by: Big V at October 24, 2016 05:38 PM (UiqMy)

39 I'd especially like to hear if anyone's in a stall

Every night.

Posted by: Sarah Jessica Parker at October 24, 2016 05:28 PM (LuZz

Ya know, I get it, that's funny, but my neighbor
is a Fed, and he was in NYC on 9/11 and for months after and they had shelters set up to feed the rescuers and SJP was a volunteer at one of them serving food to those searching the rubble.

Posted by: JT at October 24, 2016 05:38 PM (GdBvh)

40 I had a little wine at Saturday's CentexMoMe...that was the first booze I'd had in 6 weeks. I didn't make a conscious decision to quit drinking alcohol, it just happened.

Posted by: Sixkiller at October 24, 2016 05:38 PM (mFA3Z)

41 "He also advises drinking your water sick-cold -- in the fridge, and then with big piles of ice in it. The more your force your body to burn energy just to maintain core temperature, the more GAINZZ you get.)"

So taking that a step further... ice water enema.

Could be the next big thing we bring to the progressive liberal trendy group.

An Ice Water Enema Bar.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 24, 2016 05:38 PM (J+eG2)

42
I'm a firm believer in going to the gym with a plan. Then "hit" alll your marks.

However, some days you're just not up to the task.

So what you do is this: You drop the weight and do "speed work." Do sets of 10 sets of 10, every 60 seconds. (Don't do stupid-light weight, tho, bro.)

OR, you increase the weight and Singles. Just one rep. Every 90 seconds. Do 10 of those.

Walk out of the gym, even on a "bad day," doing something you've never done before. The point is to make every day count for progress on some level, either with speed work or heavy work.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2016 05:38 PM (A9wTi)

43 I've been falling off the low carb wagon, but getting back on, but still doing the skip breakfast thing.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 05:38 PM (Om16U)

44 Eat less exercise a little more diet. Ate too much this week so no loss but no gain either. Walked a bit farther Saturday than usual. Scales at work got moved and changed. Loss now at -105 lbs.

Posted by: Fredlike at October 24, 2016 05:38 PM (AHd0y)

45 No number changes but I can comfortably, if a bit snugly, wear my belt one notch tighter than I could two weeks ago.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 24, 2016 05:39 PM (IcT7t)

46 >>>I was getting stalled often. I added a 1 day fast to the IF/exercise I was doing (fast every Friday- still drink the ace coffee on fast day but that's it) and that seems to break right through the stalls.

I'm down 38 pounds since July 1st and waist went form 52 to 34 inches.

...

good to know, and congrats.

However, I think Sarah Jessica Parker just might have been making a horse-face joke. (Stalled every night.)

Posted by: ace at October 24, 2016 05:40 PM (8rNrN)

47 I'm still futzing about in the 390's, which is starting to get very old. BUT, I walked 20 minutes for 3 days last week and just walked my first day this week. This is new, and I hope it'll crowbar me out of the run and down into the 380's so I'll feel like I'm gaining again.

Posted by: Viridian at October 24, 2016 05:40 PM (1O7Wl)

48 I talked with my trainer about how I didn't gain any weight when I thought I would have. He was talking about a set point. I've been exercising and eating well for a long time and your body adjusts to a new weight.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 05:40 PM (Q5Ymk)

49 I stalled out at ten donuts.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 24, 2016 05:40 PM (mBYZv)

50 >>>too bad. If it were a little warmer, it would be good -- a lot of people think swimmers keep lean partly because it takes so much energy simply to maintain their internal temperature when exposed to cool water.

You have never been to one of those polar bear swims have you?
I would caution against drawing a lot of conclusions based on high level swimmers, because high level swimmers tend to be tall and lean naturally (sport selects for it at the national level), plus the volume of training expends an enormous amount of calories. Don't start thinking jumping in cold water daily is going to give you a sixpack because it won't.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 24, 2016 05:41 PM (CL/wa)

51 Last Thursday....running....about 90 minutes..
Saturday...running....about 45 minutes...

I had minor twinges in my right knee and left calve area. Very minor. They cleared up on the walk home. But considering I hadn't run in months and then had four 90 minute runs, I thought I'd err on the side of caution.

With morning coffee, instead of headlines that piss me off, I'm doing yoga for glutes and some exercises to prevent shin splints and runner's knee.

I've run almost all the streets, alleys and parks in town so I'm going to start on the roads around town. It's nice to get outside of town, but I'm still close enough to town that if anything happens, it's a relatively short walk back. When I'm done these roads, I'll venture further out until I reach other communities again.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 24, 2016 05:41 PM (2L42J)

52 I sprained the my rib connector muscles and those mother truckers will not heal. It's been 2 1/2 weeks now. Breathing is a beyotch.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 24, 2016 05:41 PM (8eVay)

53 41 "He also advises drinking your water sick-cold -- in the fridge, and then with big piles of ice in it. The more your force your body to burn energy just to maintain core temperature, the more GAINZZ you get.)"

So taking that a step further... ice water enema.

Could be the next big thing we bring to the progressive liberal trendy group.

An Ice Water Enema Bar.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 24, 2016 05:38 PM (J+eG2)

You first VIA.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'America just needs more cowbell!' at October 24, 2016 05:41 PM (Jr08r)

54 ... a photo with an eewwwwww factor.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 24, 2016 05:42 PM (WTSFk)

55 Anna yes it is. I've been AWOL from my online class & job hunting for more than 2 weeks now and I feel awful about it. Getting back tomorrow, a manana, te lo juro.

Btw, a gainzz is that I've started muttering to myself in Spanish. This binge watching of Spanish dramas is working.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 05:42 PM (Om16U)

56 >>>So what does this mean, breaking the resistance point and resetting it at a lower weight point? I've never heard of this. Is there science on this?

I don't know. It's what I've imagined it to be. I don't know if I read it or deduced (guessed) it.

BroScience is close enough to science, though, either way.

Posted by: ace at October 24, 2016 05:42 PM (8rNrN)

57 Walking the halls of the hospital (and out to the parking lot) has been my exercise of late.

*shrugs*

Posted by: SMFH at my deplorable self... at October 24, 2016 05:42 PM (S9J47)

58 "You first VIA."

Me?

Hell.

I'm in the Federal Fitness Protection program myself.

I'm just wondering if we could actually get progressives to pay us to pump ice water up their asses for weight loss, and cleansing?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 24, 2016 05:43 PM (J+eG2)

59 Alternate plan:

I have to have broken leg hardware removed. I'm going to have them put me in a coma for 3 months. Bingo! Weight loss!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'America just needs more cowbell!' at October 24, 2016 05:43 PM (Jr08r)

60 However, I think Sarah Jessica Parker just might have been making a horse-face joke. (Stalled every night.)

Posted by: ace at October 24, 2016 05:40 PM (8rNrN)

I agree 100%. But I've never seen anything publicized about her actions.
And I think that speaks well of her.

Posted by: JT at October 24, 2016 05:43 PM (GdBvh)

61 Btw I ordered some hydrolyzed collagen powder for myself and I find hubby drinking it. Tsk.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 05:44 PM (Om16U)

62 Ah the 8% and less body fat club. V-line lower and with veins popping out. Vascularity everywhere.

They were both the best of times and the worst of times.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 05:44 PM (/SdD1)

63 Hm. Well, still on IF. Weight loss is still slow, because I still like soda. But I feel pretty good, denying my body constant food seems to be good for my energy levels.

The postal shooting challenge has revealed some other flaws, so going to try some exercises to increase grip strength and normal muscle stamina. I'm have a blue rubber XD9 and I'm going to practice holding the mark for a while. Also picking up some gripping clay, color coded for resistance and work with that at home.

I really want to do yoga again. That was the best exercise for increasing muscle stamina.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 24, 2016 05:44 PM (sh70B)

64 What does Broscience say about men carrying Murses?

Posted by: garrett at October 24, 2016 05:44 PM (jyw33)

65 Walking the halls of the hospital (and out to the parking lot) has been my exercise of late.

*shrugs*

Posted by: SMFH at my deplorable self... at October 24, 2016 05:42 PM (S9J47)
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If I were closer, I'd share my pumpkin pie with you. Are you getting any kind of regular rest? Or meals?

Posted by: grammie winger at October 24, 2016 05:44 PM (dFi94)

66 Hey Broseidon and CaliGirl --

I've been using the foam roller daily, concentrating on middle/upper back, glutes and hip abductors.

It's made a TREMENDOUS difference. I'd never even heard of it until y'all mentioned it here. Big thanks to you both!

Posted by: Sixkiller at October 24, 2016 05:44 PM (mFA3Z)

67
I'm just wondering if we could actually get progressives to pay us to pump ice water up their asses for weight loss, and cleansing?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 24, 2016 05:43 PM (J+eG2)

Most direct route through the ear. Amirite?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'America just needs more cowbell!' at October 24, 2016 05:44 PM (Jr08r)

68 I thought Sarah Jessica got stabled every night...

Voter Mom, que senora? Good luck on the hunting of job, those can be clever beasts.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2016 05:45 PM (pBudL)

69 Resetting your metabolic set point takes months or years and some believe that you can't reset it by much. Probably why most (not all) people who are successful at long term weight loss wind up monitoring their weight for the rest of their lives.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 24, 2016 05:45 PM (CL/wa)

70 What does Broscience say about men carrying Murses?

That they're transvestites in denial.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 24, 2016 05:45 PM (IcT7t)

71 Does Amy Schumer being called and shamed as a racist count as GAINZ? In my funspot?

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 05:45 PM (/SdD1)

72 If I were closer, I'd share my pumpkin pie with you. Are you getting any kind of regular rest? Or meals?
Posted by: grammie winger at October 24, 2016 05:44 PM (dFi94)

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The nurses damn near force-feed me.

Rest? Naps throughout the day, so I can be up at night.

Posted by: SMFH at my deplorable self... at October 24, 2016 05:46 PM (S9J47)

73 "Most direct route through the ear. Emirate?"

Just pop that little factory seal in the canal, and pump away.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 24, 2016 05:46 PM (J+eG2)

74 Posted by: grammie winger at October 24, 2016 05:33 PM (dFi94)
I can't do that either. It was hot last week and I went to go swim, the pool was 70. I couldn't get in. I like the water about 80-84.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 05:46 PM (Q5Ymk)

75 Yikes SMFH.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2016 05:46 PM (pBudL)

76 Just finished up a quick workout at the hotel gym.

The one thing that can smash through the barriers is to up the number of days you exercise.

I've gone from 4 to 7 days of activity in which I cycle through volume and intensity.

It was the only way I could make progress.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 24, 2016 05:47 PM (ILoaF)

77 Naps throughout the day, so I can be up at night.

Posted by: SMFH at my deplorable self... at October 24, 2016 05:46 PM (S9J47)
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Gah. The nights are the worst, I think.

Posted by: grammie winger at October 24, 2016 05:47 PM (dFi94)

78 Ace - I think maybe your stalls are because you are so close to your goal weight. Didn't you say you are around 10 pounds from where you want to be? I have always heard those are the most stubborn and take the longest to shed. I assume that the reason my stalls have been less persistent is simply because they are self induced and because I still have so long to go before I get anywhere near where I should be my body has no reason to go into stubborn mode for very long.

At 268 I figure I still need to lose around another 80 pounds (maybe more?) and expect that the toughest sledding will come once I get to that last 20 or so.

Posted by: Texas Zombie at October 24, 2016 05:47 PM (SUtNI)

79 56
>>>So what does this mean, breaking the resistance point and
resetting it at a lower weight point? I've never heard of this. Is there
science on this?

I don't know. It's what I've imagined it to be. I don't know if I read it or deduced (guessed) it.

BroScience is close enough to science, though, either way.

CaliGirl mentioned it up-thread - it's called your 'set point.' And it's real.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/zryccdx

Posted by: Sixkiller at October 24, 2016 05:48 PM (mFA3Z)

80 Stalls happen. Especially when you are starting out, you need to give your body time to recover.

If your body is rested, then you need to up the intensity. Always be building.

Posted by: Jollyroger at October 24, 2016 05:48 PM (t06LC)

81
The one thing that can smash through the barriers is to up the number of days you exercise.

...

Posted by: Kreplach at October 24, 2016 05:47 PM (ILoaF)

Heh.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2016 05:48 PM (A9wTi)

82 Gah. The nights are the worst, I think.
Posted by: grammie winger at October 24, 2016 05:47 PM (dFi94)

---

They are.

Posted by: SMFH at my deplorable self... at October 24, 2016 05:48 PM (S9J47)

83 Glad you didn't do that fakery for the "greater good," Ace. Everyone goes through stalls and it IS disheartening because they can last a long time and this is often the "I'm out" point. That's when I need inspiriration to keep on going and wait for it, wait for it.

I'm RE-losing the same weight which is embarrassing and disheartening because I feel like a dumbass hitting my head on the same door over and over again. But my low cal soup (bone broth with non starchy veggies) for lunch and a very small portion of meat with a salad for dinner for two weeks got me back on track.

Posted by: Seems legit at October 24, 2016 05:48 PM (U+nHb)

84 Posted by: Sixkiller at October 24, 2016 05:44 PM (mFA3Z)
Aren't they awesome, you are now a supple leopard.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 05:49 PM (Q5Ymk)

85 OK, I have to get back to using my App or tracking %'s. Ive been lax. thats when I was losing regularly. First thing ot go when I I stalled.

Also, i was eating a lot of homemade jerkey as snacks. Gotta get back to that.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'America just needs more cowbell!' at October 24, 2016 05:49 PM (Jr08r)

86 Don't worry so much about gainzz or lozzezz just get your ass to the gym and work it.

Because we will know if you dontezz....

Because the night has a thousand eyes....

RIP Bobby Vee.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 24, 2016 05:50 PM (ej1L0)

87
I've gone from 4 to 7 days of activity in which I cycle through volume and intensity.

It was the only way I could make progress.
Posted by: Kreplach at October 24, 2016 05:47 PM (ILoaF)

Yeah, well i'm going to 11!!!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'America just needs more cowbell!' at October 24, 2016 05:50 PM (Jr08r)

88 It was getting so bad I really did consider if the Greater Good would be served if I straight-up lied to everyone and said I made GAINZZ I hadn't actually made

So, Ace was thinking like a Democratic pollster or a Global Warming data analyst -- fudge the numbers for the Greater Good!

Now, Ace, at least you understand on an emotional level where these devils are coming from.

Posted by: zombie at October 24, 2016 05:50 PM (jBuUi)

89 I have had many stalls. Started the process at 298 with a goal of eventually getting down to 220. I stalled at ~265, ~240 and oddly enough ~220. I weighed in Friday morning at 199.8.

To bust the stalls I would mix things up. I kept my workout time the same because it worked for me. I varied the routine. When I started out I did mostly cardio, and it got boring. So I came up with games that kept me engaged through competition with myself. I did x miles in y time a z level now I want to do better. If I beat my milestone 4 days in a row, I slept in on day 5. Then I started mixing in weights with similar competitive games.

That is what kept me going through the first six months. Now it's more hard wired. I just get up and go.

I have gone from a 42 waist to a 34 waist and from double xx shirts to merely a large. It has taken me about 21 months to do it. I was on bp meds and reflux meds, I am now off both.

Moral of the story, push through, you will be glad you did.

Posted by: jj at October 24, 2016 05:51 PM (6RIXc)

90 I'm breaking biochemistry again. Calories out > calories in, and still at the same weight. PCOS is a b*itch.

Posted by: pookysgirl at October 24, 2016 05:51 PM (ar2KI)

91 At 268 I figure I still need to lose around another
80 pounds (maybe more?) and expect that the toughest sledding will come
once I get to that last 20 or so.

Posted by: Texas Zombie at October 24, 2016 05:47 PM (SUtNI)

TZ -
No, no, no.
I think you'll be lean mean at 225. Seriously lean.
Just keep taking it day by day. I would not have guessed you weighed 268 on Saturday. No way.

Posted by: Sixkiller at October 24, 2016 05:51 PM (mFA3Z)

92 My LOZZEZZ this week:

I gathered up two huge bags of clothes to give away to charity. Never in my wildest pre-keto dreams did I imagine I would be giving away clothes that are size 8s or mediums because they would be too damn big. But I am, because they're borderline tents on me now.

Winning!

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 05:51 PM (KkVB6)

93 Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 24, 2016 05:41 PM (CL/wa)
Swimming laps is much harder now than when I was a kid.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 05:52 PM (Q5Ymk)

94 the only gains this week at our house was R35id3nt 3v1L put money down on a S-S 20 gauge when we were at the range Fryday to shoot the postal match. now, to come up with the $$ for the Italian Arisaka before someone else scoops it up.

i did fast last week for a day, but that was because the VA scoped me on Thursday. 5mgs of Versed and 125mcg of fentanyl... and i was awake for most of the procedure.

the nurse was amazed/horrified when i got up out of the bed as soon as i hit the recovery room. people who went in before me were still there, groggy as hell, when i left.

i drove home and had pizza and beer for dinner, followed by martinis. F their post-procedure instructions... and fasting.

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 24, 2016 05:53 PM (i/VQi)

95 Il;d not losing any weight. but my clothes are all more loose and people say I look like I'm losing weight.

I walked an hour today through the woods and fields. It was lovely.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2016 05:53 PM (EnGQE)

96 69 Probably why most (not all) people who are successful at long term weight loss wind up monitoring their weight for the rest of their lives.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 24, 2016 05:45 PM (CL/wa)
---------------------------------------
Yep.
Most of us need to work on this for life.
If you ONLY approach it as temporary suffering to arrive at a set goal, you'll have long-term setbacks. At some point you have to get into a permanent, life-change mindset.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2016 05:54 PM (Nox3c)

97 Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 05:51 PM (KkVB6)
Isn't it great? I found a pair of slim pants I used to wear golfing in my son's closet. I think they are from about 1995. They fit!! Yaay me.
I won't wear them they are really high waisted. Really high waisted.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 05:54 PM (Q5Ymk)

98 Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 05:51 PM (KkVB6)

I hate you a little bit right now.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 05:54 PM (Om16U)

99 Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 05:51 PM (KkVB6)

How *you* doin'?

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 24, 2016 05:55 PM (GUBah)

100 I sprained the my rib connector muscles and those mother truckers will not heal. It's been 2 1/2 weeks now. Breathing is a beyotch.

It's gonna take longer than that.
And if you're over 40, 50 etc....
even longer.
I don't mean to be a downer, but that's the reality.
Just be patient and don't try to recover too quickly.

Posted by: JT at October 24, 2016 05:55 PM (GdBvh)

101
Ace, ever thought of wearing Spanx?

Girls, tell him what spanx can do for his figure.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2016 05:56 PM (A9wTi)

102 The muscle must be 'damaged' in order to for it to repair itself with additional strands of muscles / cells. Some people have body make up where these repair mechanisms are easily triggered and others do not. If you never work to failure or feel that pump , you will never trigger the repair which occurs after your workout. Remember that soreness after your first couple of workouts? That's the muscle damage that triggers the repair. Your body eventually adapts and you don't get that soreness. If you are a hard gainer you need to figure a way to get that muscle damage and repair again. My theory is for a long rest cycle. Train hard for six weeks. Rest two weeks.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 24, 2016 05:56 PM (8eVay)

103 No gainz, no losses, just stuck, weight-wise. But not really.

Because my "goal" is to work out 5 times a week. I've been coming close to that mark for a while now. And the scale still reads the same - so I say "meh" to the scale. Like you Ace, my clothes fit better, I can do things I couldn't before, gainz in lifting weight. My arms and shoulders are starting to get jacked. I was in a guys group picture recently and we did a couple of silly pictures, including a "suns out, guns out" one with everyone flexing and I was like, damn, I'm getting buff dude.

So on it goes! Keep on keeping on.

Oh and when I do stall, one way (doesn't work every time obv) can be to eat a little more. No bad food, just a little more of the good foods to fuel up properly.

Posted by: Memories at October 24, 2016 05:56 PM (mwcEF)

104 I must say, cruelly, from an outside vantage point, that Ace's tales of exceedingly slow gram-by-gram weight "loss" achieved only after extreme effort does make the whole zero carbs/high-fat/intermittent fasting thing seem like, perhaps, not as efficacious as it is advertised as being.

When folks poo-poo the simple "eat less + burn more" old-school mantra, they do so by conflating the physics of calories with the subjective feeling of satiety. In other words, people now claim that simply "eating less" doesn't work because you will then develop CRAVINGS which you won't be able to suppress.

But if a person has self-control, the cravings can be overcome. And therefore simply eating fewer calories can be effective for such people.

In fact, it seems like the self-control required to follow all these arcane dietary and scheduling and behavior rules is no less than the self-control required to simply NOT SNACK when you have the craving when on a demi-anorexia "diet."

Posted by: zombie at October 24, 2016 05:57 PM (jBuUi)

105 Posted by: redc1c4 at October 24, 2016 05:53 PM (i/VQi)
Geez? Versed is the drug that's supposed make you have amnesia. The other drug I'm not familiar with.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 05:57 PM (Q5Ymk)

106 Shit

O/T

Steven DenBeste has departed the pattern.

RIP

http://tinyurl.com/z97njc3

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 24, 2016 05:58 PM (J+eG2)

107 Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2016 05:56 PM (A9wTi)
Wear two pairs for even more shaping when you have a special outfit.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 05:58 PM (Q5Ymk)

108 I'm AFK until later so I'm gonna miss this week, mostly.

Dropped 4+ pounds this week. Which means that my four-week average is 2.25/week. Way better than I expected.

Things have changed, though: I'll virtually HAVE to eat Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday. We'll see if I can keep up my LOSSEZ along with my GAINZ.

Posted by: moviegique at October 24, 2016 05:59 PM (CcUfv)

109 I found a pair of slim pants I used to wear golfing in my son's closet.

Big closet or short clubs?

Posted by: wiseass at October 24, 2016 05:59 PM (ce4zT)

110 On a related health note....the feds announced Fredo care premiums to rise an AVERAGE of 23% and 1 in 5 will have ONLY one choice. I you don't like your choice, then to bad fuck you

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 24, 2016 05:59 PM (zp+j1)

111 My spare tire is stubbornly sticking around but I think I may be loosing some of the thunder thigh flab. Unfortunately I never took starting measurements. Oh well. I did go through a stack of jeans that were in the "got too tight" pile vs just the ones I was using as a test gauge and added 4 pairs to the wear now stack so that helps counter the discouragement.

Also if I suck my gut in I can see hints of ab muscle. It is a mild encouragement but I don't want to look like a pro wrestler with abs under fat, I want to move towards men thinking "I'd hit that" And the only ab work I'm doing in the planking, I won't drop that because my last few horseback rides it felt so easy to sit up straight in the saddle. Up to 10 girlie push-ups and 12 of the chin floor slide things so arm strength gains too.

Posted by: PaleRider at October 24, 2016 05:59 PM (dkExz)

112 On a related health note....the feds announced Fredo care premiums to rise an AVERAGE of 23% and 1 in 5 will have ONLY one choice. I you don't like your choice, then to bad fuck you
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 24, 2016 05:59 PM (zp+j1)

And we're gonna lose to these guys?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 24, 2016 06:00 PM (zp+j1)

113 Posted by: JT at October 24, 2016 05:55 PM (GdBvh)

Yes thanks. Unfortunately I knew that but just wanted to bitch. I think II was susceptible because of broken ribs from an auto accident I had 20 years ago.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 24, 2016 06:00 PM (8eVay)

114 My theory is for a long rest cycle. Train hard for six weeks. Rest two weeks.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 24, 2016 05:56 PM (8eVay)

I would not advise a two week break; instead, 'de-load' for 2 weeks, and by that I mean, cut your weights to 50 percent of normal and do only 2-3 sets of 10 reps. Your body will still recover nicely and you will avoid the 'start over blues' when you ramp up in weight again.
De-loading is SOP in powerlifting circles.

Posted by: Sixkiller at October 24, 2016 06:00 PM (mFA3Z)

115 98 Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 05:51 PM (KkVB6)

I hate you a little bit right now.
Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 05:54 PM (Om16U)

It's taken me a year-and-a-half to get to this point. I started in a size 20W, with a whole pile of aches and pains that are now gone, and an A1C that was borderline diabetic that is now not, so I am overjoyed.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 06:01 PM (KkVB6)

116 Ace, being in a stall is an achievement. Why not make it your goal and be happy? Bourbon can help here.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2016 06:02 PM (vV/gB)

117 Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 06:01 PM (KkVB6)

wow, that's wonderful news.

Did you have a workout buddy or did you go it alone?

Posted by: kallisto at October 24, 2016 06:03 PM (nNdYv)

118 Wouldn't Ozymandias be Egyptian for 'fleeting gainzzz' since that is where a certain English poet set the piece.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2016 06:04 PM (pBudL)

119 Posted by: wiseass at October 24, 2016 05:59 PM (ce4zT)
Took me a minute. Again with the phrasing.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 06:04 PM (Q5Ymk)

120 Posted by: zombie at October 24, 2016 05:57 PM (jBuUi)

I eat more calories on keto than I did when I was actually counting them back in the day. I gained weight eating 1200 or less calories per day even when I exercised. I'm regularly eating between 1700 and 2000 a day, do not do any intentional exercise, and am still losing on keto. But I will admit that some (but certainly not all) of that is because it simply takes more energy to digest and use fat and protein than it does carbs.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 06:04 PM (KkVB6)

121 Posted by: zombie at October 24, 2016 05:57 PM (jBuUi)

The most important part of any diet is that you do it. I'm of the opinion that most of the non-fad diets can work as long as you're disciplined with them. The trick is to figure out which one works for you for whatever reason.

So yeah. You're right that just looking at calories could work. I mean, it has to, based on physics. But certain diets might be harder for an individual to stick to, based on a number of factors. It's not very realistic to think that there is going to be a silver bullet approach that would work equally effectively for all people.

Posted by: Joe, living mobile at October 24, 2016 06:06 PM (5fWqw)

122 117 Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 06:01 PM (KkVB6)

wow, that's wonderful news.

Did you have a workout buddy or did you go it alone?
Posted by: kallisto at October 24, 2016 06:03 PM (nNdYv)

I do not work out, actually. It's all changing my diet to low carb, moderate protein, and high fat.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 06:06 PM (KkVB6)

123 Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 06:01 PM (KkVB6)
Congrats, well done.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 06:06 PM (Q5Ymk)

124 Finished off the last two donuts.

Feelin' the burn.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 24, 2016 06:07 PM (mBYZv)

125 My New Years Resolution of last year was to "lose some weight." However, unlike other years I had a fitbit and a treadmill desk. The fitbit generated reams of data for me to analyze. Thus I had the same kind of "that number sucks, but this number rocks" moments as I lost 106.8 pounds.

I found that as I lost weight I had to do different things to progress to the next level. Ferinstance, I lost the first 40 pounds just getting off my butt and walking every day. Then I got greedy for more weight loss and started improving my diet.

Now I'm walking 12 miles per day and trying to figure out how to increase lean body mass. Please provide all the details you can about your progress, or lack of same. If something doesn't work for you, that's an important datapoint, too.

E.g. the Shangri-La diet does not work for me, eschewing refined carbs and walking like the devil is the only thing that seems to work. I figure there are probably a half-dozen different ways to get fit and none of them work for everyone. The Habit book talks about keystone habits, and that may be the only thing that generalizes if you can find that keystone that makes you eat less and work out more.

Posted by: Steve Poling at October 24, 2016 06:07 PM (hXqFq)

126 Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 06:06 PM (Q5Ymk)

Thank you!

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 06:07 PM (KkVB6)

127 I eat more calories on keto than I did when I was actually counting them back in the day. I gained weight eating 1200 or less calories per day even when I exercised. I'm regularly eating between 1700 and 2000 a day, do not do any intentional exercise, and am still losing on keto. But I will admit that some (but certainly not all) of that is because it simply takes more energy to digest and use fat and protein than it does carbs.
Posted by: Mandy P.

Interesting!

It's like you're "exercising internally" via the process of digestion.

But, as Dr. Nowzaradan notes on "My 600-lb. Life," when patients claim to be sticking to his prescribes 1200-calorie diet and yet are not losing any weight (or are gaining weight), he says "That simply isn't possible," implying that they must be sneaking in extra calories somewhere. So, trying to be as delicate as possible: When you were on a 1200-calorie diet, were you really on a strict 1200-calorie diet, or was it 1200+irrepressible snacking-urge calories every now and then?

Posted by: zombie at October 24, 2016 06:09 PM (jBuUi)

128 Posted by: PaleRider at October 24, 2016 05:59 PM (dkExz)
Good for you. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 06:09 PM (Q5Ymk)

129 Posted by: Steve Poling at October 24, 2016 06:07 PM (hXqFq)

Congrats Steve - 12 miles per day requires outstanding dedication and discipline. Clearly you have both in spades!!!

Posted by: Sixkiller at October 24, 2016 06:09 PM (mFA3Z)

130 Posted by: Steve Poling at October 24, 2016 06:07 PM (hXqFq)

To increase lean muscle you're going to need to make sure you're getting adequate protein and then start lifting. My preferred protein calculation comes from Dr. Adam Nally. His website it doc muscles dot com, no spaces. He has a post about calculating protein needs and it gives formulas for men and women, as well as a different formula for people who are lifting and trying to build muscle. That's the one you want.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 06:10 PM (KkVB6)

131 Posted by: Sixkiller at October 24, 2016 06:00 PM (mFA3Z)

Powerlifting / strength is a little different but I agree that when I say rest I don't mean sit on the couch. For bodybuilding I'm looking more to the point of rest right before you lose any muscle gain ( not strength). I'm looking to get that first workout soreness again.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 24, 2016 06:10 PM (8eVay)

132 Just got the 6 DVD Legacy Collection of Planet of the Apes movies. Call me when the election is over,

Posted by: Weasel at October 24, 2016 06:11 PM (Sfs6o)

133 Steven DenBeste, fair sailings

https://youtu.be/22dMNQeavMU

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2016 06:11 PM (pBudL)

134 219.4. Which is -2.4lbs
23.5 % -1.0%

Now the problem comes. Vacation, a cruise next week which means partying.

I'll just enjoy it and get back on the wagon when I come back.

Posted by: NJRob at October 24, 2016 06:11 PM (6hdwf)

135 @106

That is horrible news.

RIP Steven Den Beste.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 24, 2016 06:13 PM (ILoaF)

136 i don't eat a lot of GRAINZ

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at October 24, 2016 06:13 PM (U0lQa)

137 Powerlifting / strength is a little different but I
agree that when I say rest I don't mean sit on the couch. For
bodybuilding I'm looking more to the point of rest right before you lose
any muscle gain ( not strength). I'm looking to get that first workout
soreness again.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 24, 2016 06:10 PM (8eVay)

I don't disagree with you. I'm paranoid about losing any hard-won strength gains.

Posted by: Sixkiller at October 24, 2016 06:13 PM (mFA3Z)

138 Posted by: zombie at October 24, 2016 06:09 PM (jBuUi)

No, I didn't cheat at all. I did Weight Watchers and gained on that, too, even though I did not cheat. Now, I eventually would get fed up and go back to eating crap, but when I was intentionally trying to lose on those diets I stuck to them and still gained.

I personally think that everyone is just a little different and for whatever reason my body doesn't like the carbs. As soon as I cut them the weight started falling off. Nothing else worked for me.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 06:13 PM (KkVB6)

139 Posted by: NJRob at October 24, 2016 06:11 PM (6hdwf)
That's what I do. When we were in Vegas I didn't eat bread or hash browns with breakfast, it's the drinking.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 06:14 PM (Q5Ymk)

140 For what precious little it is worth (as an almost-never commenter), this thread has been a big help especially when teh Ace hasn't been making, umm, GAINZZZ. I have now lost 78 lbs (slowly, over the eight dark years of the SCOAMF regime). This weekly post (and some of Ace's other health-related posts) encouraged me to break my own plateau about 18 pounds ago. Also, to quit smoking ten months ago. And also to keep at that hot yoga stuff.

And not that pants are specifically required, I for the first time bought some jeans yesterday at a regular store in a regular size. I still look like a moron, but at least not gelatinous moron.

I, for one, salute Mr. OfSpades for laying it all out for us to see.

Posted by: Joe Biteme at October 24, 2016 06:14 PM (S8qPn)

141 Posted by: Joe Biteme at October 24, 2016 06:14 PM (S8qPn)
That's wonderful. You are one tough cookie.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 06:16 PM (Q5Ymk)

142 Wow, Joe, well done!

Posted by: Seems legit at October 24, 2016 06:16 PM (U+nHb)

143 But, as Dr. Nowzaradan notes on "My 600-lb. Life," when patients claim
to be sticking to his prescribes 1200-calorie diet and yet are not
losing any weight (or are gaining weight), he says "That simply isn't possible,"

He's wrong, and dangerously so. Read Fung's book and his citations. That assertion is on the same level as Freud insisting that female patients alleging sexual abuse were just sublimating sexual desires for their fathers.

Posted by: leoncaruthers at October 24, 2016 06:17 PM (x6FFk)

144 Posted by: Joe Biteme at October 24, 2016 06:14 PM (S8qPn)

That's fantastic! Congrats!

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 06:17 PM (KkVB6)

145 Ah, I hadn't commented in so long I'd forgotten that markup is never actually going to work properly here.

Posted by: leoncaruthers at October 24, 2016 06:18 PM (x6FFk)

146 >>>Tom Cruise-level of self-mastery

Not really, right? That's a joke, right? Cause he's a nut?

Posted by: m at October 24, 2016 06:19 PM (/4GEs)

147 Zombie read Taubes and Obesity Code, then you may have a new perspective. Calories in calories out has been (for most) thoroughly debunked.

Posted by: Seems legit at October 24, 2016 06:19 PM (U+nHb)

148 Great going Joe, and don't be a stranger.

Posted by: Skip at October 24, 2016 06:20 PM (sWbjH)

149 I'm at work so I'm just going to duck in and duck back out asking only if anyone here would like an Accountability Buddy. I confess that, although I am a tolerable soprano who hit a high G like a bell yesterday, I am a piss poor low-carber and would not object to moral support, which I will happily share back in the direction from whence it came.

Any takers? I don't usually see this thread when it pops up so if anyone volunteers, I will try to catch up with you on the overnight thread with an email address. Thanks very kindly.

Posted by: Tonestaple the tolerable soprano at October 24, 2016 06:20 PM (ctOlR)

150 ACE: I'm working on it too, though I'm only about 4 pounds above my goal weight. All my weight goes right to the gut so it shows way too easy.

Pro tip: print the sentence below and put it on your bathroom mirror. Read it out loud every time you go in there and say it every time you think about your GAINZ.

"I'm enjoying my new slimmer self."

My waterloo is snacking at night, ugh.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 06:20 PM (3myMJ)

151 once upon a time i briefly dated a young lady. who, i kid you not, looked like isabella rosselini. she was a dedicated swimmer who swam miles every morning.
her thighs were like iron. very impressive and not a little intimidating.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 24, 2016 06:21 PM (WTSFk)

152 I've lost some weight and gained some muscle working in the factory with the boys for a few months. I guess that's something.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her Deplorable 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at October 24, 2016 06:22 PM (+eR2D)

153 ... she had a very low bmi as you can imagine.

swimming is very effective exercise.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 24, 2016 06:23 PM (WTSFk)

154 Steven DenBeste

May his memory be a blessing...

Posted by: Adriane the Cynical Critic ... at October 24, 2016 06:24 PM (AoK0a)

155 It's taken me a year-and-a-half to get to this point. I started in a size 20W, with a whole pile of aches and pains that are now gone, and an A1C that was borderline diabetic that is now not, so I am overjoyed.
Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 06:01 PM (KkVB6)

That is so amazing and inspirational!

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 06:24 PM (Om16U)

156 >>>Didn't you say you are around 10 pounds from where you want to be?

I said it but it's not really true. I set 170 as a more reasonable milestone to get to. I think I need to get down to 160. (Well, I'd like to add enough mass to put me back up to 170, but you know, I need to lose another 18 pounds of fat, at least.)

Posted by: ace at October 24, 2016 06:24 PM (8rNrN)

157 What is a high fat, moderate protein diet? I onderstand about low carbs.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2016 06:24 PM (EnGQE)

158 Wow Fred, Steve, Mandy and Joe and anyone I missed. Very Inspiring.

Keep it up Viridian. I am thinking that I can follow my new routine forever. Its only cutting out all snacks after a somewhat early dinner and not eating immediately when I wake up after all. I'm also trying to reduce the sugars and refined carbs in general and get more exercise but I have no zero tolerance rules and am clinging to my dark chocolate habit. So I may not achieve dramatic slimming but having reversed the weight gain trend and feeling more fit is great. I mostly want to be fit to be able to ride to the level my gelding can achieve, but looking slimmer sure provides a lot of extra incentive to keep eating mostly right and getting a bit of exercise.

Posted by: PaleRider at October 24, 2016 06:25 PM (dkExz)

159 Wow; How long does it take to walk 12 miles?. I couldn't do that much.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2016 06:26 PM (EnGQE)

160 Mandy P-you are my hero. Good for you!

Posted by: Goldilocks at October 24, 2016 06:26 PM (Z0PDn)

161 157 What is a high fat, moderate protein diet? I onderstand about low carbs.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2016 06:24 PM (EnGQE)

I think, based on calories and not volume, it means eat mostly fat, some protein, very little carbs.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 06:27 PM (Om16U)

162 I was riding my bike in a almost 5 mile loop and was doing it in 19 minutes consistently

Posted by: Skip at October 24, 2016 06:28 PM (sWbjH)

163 I dunno - all I can say is that when I tried the diets from the so called experts (many small meals, low fat, etc) I did not lose weight.

It was only through IF and LCHF that the Gainz happened - and stayed as Gainz - for me. 60 lbs since 5 July. I really thought no that different diets work differently for different people.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 24, 2016 06:28 PM (qcCvJ)

164 Stalled a couple times on my 11 weeks thus far, down about 22 pounds overall. I hope to lose another 15 and see how that suits me.

Thanks, Ace, for not cooking this weekly report like Podesta has coached the MSM to cook its polls. It's nice to have at least one newsy bit a week that we can trust.

Posted by: Skinnier at October 24, 2016 06:28 PM (NPLj5)

165 Actually you all are my heroes-very inspiring and I am sorely in need of inspiration these days. Well done, everyone!

Posted by: Goldilocks at October 24, 2016 06:28 PM (Z0PDn)

166 Today is leg day for me. I moved to a 200 pound dead lift. Last year I was doing 275 but I injured my wrists so I'm being cautious.

I haven't weighed myself in the last few weeks. But I seemed to be hovering around 179 when I did weigh myself weekly. I've been snacking at night drying during the past few weekends which is why I haven't weighed myself.

Random women at the building I work at have come up to me and tell me how good I look. I walk outside during my breaks so I'm quite visible.

Posted by: Independent George's Phone at October 24, 2016 06:29 PM (FKOs9)

167 >>>When folks poo-poo the simple "eat less + burn more" old-school mantra, they do so by conflating the physics of calories with the subjective feeling of satiety. In other words, people now claim that simply "eating less" doesn't work because you will then develop CRAVINGS which you won't be able to suppress.

But if a person has self-control, the cravings can be overcome. And therefore simply eating fewer calories can be effective for such people.

...

what you're failing to note is all the studies -- with patients rigged up to accelerometers on every limb -- showing that when people cut calories to 1200 per day, their body quickly REDUCES OUTPUT down to 1200 calories a day.

They stop moving much. Their body reduces energy expenditures down to the new "energy budget."

This is why people don't lose weight on calorie cutting diets -- the body simply compensates by making them less metabolically active.

The point of Intermittent Fasting is to defeat this by fasting for part of the day (you get the benefit of reduced calories for much of the day) then eat normally the rest of the day (thus stopping the body from simply reducing energy expenditures by slowing your metabolism).

if "eat less move more" works, why have we had it in place for 40 damn years now and, as a consequence, we've never seen obseity rates or diabetes rates higher?

It doesn't work. At some point people have to reckon the actual results of a theory, and not just keep saying "But it should work, at least on paper!"

It doesn't work. Period.

Posted by: ace at October 24, 2016 06:30 PM (8rNrN)

168 >>>It was getting so bad I really did consider if the Greater Good would be served if I straight-up lied to everyone and said I made GAINZZ I hadn't actually made

As long as your intentions are good, it's not lying.

Posted by: Brian Williams at October 24, 2016 06:31 PM (mBYZv)

169 (... she was a very nice person, too.)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 24, 2016 06:31 PM (WTSFk)

170 157 What is a high fat, moderate protein diet? I onderstand about low carbs.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2016 06:24 PM (EnGQE)

It's the Ketogenic diet. So for example, on a daily basis I keep my carbohydrates around 20 grams a day, I eat enough protein to maintain my lean muscle mass (for me that's about 55 grams a day, give or take maybe 5 grams depending on what I feel like eating), and the rest of my diet consists of fat to satiation. I regularly consume between 150 and 200 grams of fat a day. I don't particularly care about calories, so I do not intentionally count them, but when I bother to look at my logs I am eating between 1500 and 2000 calories a day. It just depends on how hungry I am at the time.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 06:31 PM (KkVB6)

171 Congrats to the dudes with gainzz.

I will get back to weighing myself every morning.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 06:32 PM (Om16U)

172 I should add for FenolonSpoke, all of my lost lbs have been from IF + HFLC. As in almost no carbs. Never any bread or gluten or starches. Once in a while I'll have a BAI drink, which I think has five carbs.

It is weird, but I can attest with the rest who've noted that upping fat works. I've gotten into a groove of liking bacon cheeseburgers and salami and ham and mixed nuts as staples, and love having guacamole and blue cheese and wings that are baked, with dry rub seasoning instead of the drippy wet sweet stuff.

Posted by: Skinnier at October 24, 2016 06:33 PM (NPLj5)

173 106 Shit

O/T

Steven DenBeste has departed the pattern.

RIP

http://tinyurl.com/z97njc3
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 24, 2016 05:58 PM (J+eG2)

USS Clueless was a must-read in the early post-9/11 era. Eventually he gave up political blogging and devoted his writing to anime. I didn't follow his new site since I'm not interested in anime.

RIP, Steven.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at October 24, 2016 06:35 PM (sdi6R)

174 Hmmmm. So I should fast for part of the day. I rarely eat breakfast, don't know if that helps or hurts.

I think what I do wrong is eat lunch, dinner and then snack at night. That's still 3 meals a day, sort of.

I often have some 'weakness' issues if I go too long without eating. Not so much at night but during the day.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 06:36 PM (3myMJ)

175
Hey. OT

Early voting, Houston

First day. Lines for a mile. Lines 2 hours long. Breaking turn out records

AND IT AINT FOR HER

Posted by: ThunderB at October 24, 2016 06:36 PM (GFgDq)

176 12 miles -3 to hour Iwould think would be about avg.

Posted by: Skip at October 24, 2016 06:36 PM (sWbjH)

177 Congratulations!

Keep at it, Everyone.

Posted by: rd at October 24, 2016 06:38 PM (Rtl0g)

178 My main problem is exercise. The minute I tell myself I HAVE to do something for exercise ----blecccchhhh.

I swam competitively in HS and college, until I developed a chlorine sensitivity. Since then I've never done anything regularly to get a work out.

Well, there was a brief period where I lived within walking distance of a tennis court and had a regular, daily partner. But that was a fluke.

So I decided to sign up for tap-dancing lessons this fall.
The class meets twice a week and I practice 45 min/day on four more days. I actually like it.
Don't judge me.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2016 06:38 PM (Nox3c)

179 AND IT AINT FOR HER
Posted by: ThunderB at October 24, 2016 06:36 PM (GFgDq)

I like it. 'Ain't for her' due to your precinct?

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 06:38 PM (3myMJ)

180 I'm really hoping Leftists get the suprise of their lives the Wednesday after election.

Posted by: Skip at October 24, 2016 06:38 PM (sWbjH)

181 ThunderB, that's wonderful news!

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 06:39 PM (Om16U)

182 My super-secret wish at the crossfit gym was to be able to do a muscle-up on rings. My pull-ups did not improve while I was there, and I eventually quit for other reasons.

I do pull-ups on my suspension trainer, and the first few reps are high and fast, that I might eventually hit my ~~goal~~ wish.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 24, 2016 06:39 PM (VdICR)

183 " If you're very heavy, you might have 35-40 of easily-shed weight."

Ain't that the truth.

Gainz: briefly saw the south side of 200 (Wii pounds, so prObably 205-210 in real pounds).

New resistance/stabilization point seems to be in low 200s, hasn't been that low since circa 2005.

Had to buy a new, smaller belt.

Friends I hadn't seen for a few months couldn't shit up about how much weight I've lost.

Posted by: Knemon at October 24, 2016 06:40 PM (QRULp)

184 174 Hmmmm. So I should fast for part of the day. I rarely eat breakfast, don't know if that helps or hurts.

I think what I do wrong is eat lunch, dinner and then snack at night. That's still 3 meals a day, sort of.

I often have some 'weakness' issues if I go too long without eating. Not so much at night but during the day.[\i]

That was my exact eating pattern.

I changed it up to only eat dinner, and NO EATING AFTER 8 PM. That along with low carb high fat and moderate exercise (I walk 3 miles a day during my lunch hour) worked like crazy for me. The first couple of weeks sucked but now I'm in a place where I don't crave bread or sweets, and the snack urge is pretty well gone as well.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 24, 2016 06:40 PM (qcCvJ)

185 I lost 48 pounds -- GONZO! -- but am stuck with the last 10. For the last several months. On one hand, that's good; on the other, it's frustrating.

Have to get back to the gym. Is there anyone here who's in Manhattan who'd like a gym buddy? I'm in Soho. Yes, I'm serious! Please put "Beverly" in your comment if so. Ciao, y'all.

Posted by: Beverly at October 24, 2016 06:40 PM (0DUaE)

186

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 24, 2016 06:40 PM (qcCvJ)

187 If I said I really needed to start working out and went into my size and weight I'd start getting hate mail.
I'll say that I had to pick up some 31 inch waist jeans today so long underwear bottoms and tops can be worn with the tops tucked in.

But I have gotten so soft and weak compared to my younger years.
My problem, well, one of many, is I need someone to do it for. Just doing it for me doesn't work.
No way, no way I could have went through the stuff I did between 25 and 33 if I hadn't been doing it for the wife and my little girl.

Posted by: teej at October 24, 2016 06:41 PM (HddOg)

188 Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 06:36 PM (3myMJ)

It doesn't matter how many meals, as long as you only eat within the 8 or 10 hour window

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 06:42 PM (Om16U)

189 >>>It doesn't work. Period.

Posted by: ace at October 24, 2016 06:30 PM (8rNrN)

As much as I enjoy threads where we all punch each other in the dicks, there is the possibility that both sides are right. Eat less, move more **in theory** should work but the reality is that we are becoming a more and more sedentary society and a more and more car-dependent society. I mapped out how far it was to restaurants that I ate at - then I looked at how many I walked to, how many I biked to, and how many I jumped in the car to go to. The results were not pleasing, and I'm fairly active and known to walk a lot of places. I look at how much activity I did 20-25 years ago versus today and it's huge dropoff - the distance I might not walk to go to dinner used to be the distance I'd carry 30 pounds of groceries home from the store. We're all getting that way. So IF or other diets may be more effective than simply saying "eat less move more" because so much of modern American society is structured that we don't have time to walk everywhere and bike everywhere and have this active yet slower life because we're all rushing around in our cars getting fatter. Just my thoughts

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 24, 2016 06:42 PM (CL/wa)

190 Email from Trump campaign just came in. Says they have identified 266 electoral votes they feel pretty good about.

Key states still in question and needed for 270: NH, CO, PA.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 06:42 PM (3myMJ)

191 Meremortal -

The IF = intermittent fast works easily for my wife and me, at about 6 PM to 11 AM no food, only buttery coffee at about 6 AM. Between 11 AM and 6 PM we eat without calorie counting, just trying to be very low carb, a good bit of fat, and moderate protein. Whenever a lunch might be light (say, when out with others and the quantity is not what I'd normally get), a small bowl of nuts later in the afternoon does the trick.

I could never lose weight like this on other diets. The combination of all three IF HF and LC is the solution for me, my wife, and many on these weekly threads.

I have a surgically altered body, so walking is my exercise of any quantity. I shoot for 15,000 steps a day, as measured without effort by the app that comes on the iPhone. Getting those steps in not only makes me feel good each day, and gets stress out before it gets troublesome, it seems to be the ticket to good bowel activity ...

Posted by: Skinnier at October 24, 2016 06:43 PM (NPLj5)

192 VA-GOP. I'm sure you are correct. I lost weight before with a diet plan that was "only eat carbs one meal a day, and supper works best for most people" Looking back I wonder if it worked for me mostly because I always ate supper quite early on that routine and then didn't bother with a non-carb snack later so I was accidentally doing the IF (14 hours or so) thing. My body now wants some oatmeal or some sort of carb by mid morning along with my bacon and I will pig out trying to satiate myself with non carb foods if I try to avoid breakfast carbs.

My chiro's wife and receptionist is losing weight with the 5 small meals a day thing with fruit at each mini meal. Many people have found that HFLC works best for them. The key is to find what kind of diet satisfies you while your drop lbs, so it is new way of eating or living rather than sheer will power, which will almost always fail after a few months or so.

Posted by: PaleRider at October 24, 2016 06:43 PM (dkExz)

193 I've lost over 20 pounds over the last several months through the stress and starvation method. I very strongly do NOT recommend it.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 06:45 PM (0mRoj)

194 I'm sorry to see such discouragement evident in a 29-year-old.

Jeez man, you're 29! That alone is happy days when it comes to physical capability, isn't it?

I'm 61, and my GAINZ don't mean much, no matter what. Crepey skin, ravages of gravity etc. Invisible as a woman (not that I have much invested in that - I'm a widow and I've taken myself off the market. But still).

What I'm grateful for is that I'm still an excellent driver, and can still do long hauls (like 9 hours when necessary), even at night. I can climb stairs and easily negotiate uneven terrain. I have excellent balance and no osteoporosis. No memory issues (well, lack of sleep has damaged my short-term memory somewhat).

Re-evaluate what you have to be grateful for.

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 24, 2016 06:45 PM (BcNLK)

195 Last year I was 29 years old, check that, I mean 49 years old. I am tall, just under 6'2". In my prime I was lean 185, but those days have sailed. I was 224 with my 36 inch jeans cutting into my waist. My belly protruded a bit, but it was hard and did not seem flabby at all. My dad had a big hard protruding belly too, until he died at 59 of a heart attack. I was an intermittent runner and weight lifter, but was often sidelined with soft tissue injuries, and I slept like shit due to sleep apnea. When I went to pick up my machine, everyone was fat, really fat, but I still saw myself as relatively lean. I guess I got to a point where I needed to decide what kind of old guy I was going to be -- a fat slob or one of those wiry old dudes that can kick you ass in a marathon.

I cut out breakfast. I cut out liquid calories, except wine at night. I made my own lunch every day -- half of a dry turkey sandwich, an apple and a handful of pretzels. I then ate a healthy dinner, and for desert 2 squares of 90% coco chocolate. I do not have to worry about the kids stealing it.

The GAINZ came fast. I dropped to 200 in about 6 weeks. I got as low as 198. I had to tailor all my suits and buy new jeans. I am 50 now, and I found stasis between 200 and 205 with very little effort. I sleep better, not good but better. I coach 14 year olds in flag football and I am running wind sprints with them. My son is faster, but I am faster than all the rest. At my age if feels really good to be able to full on sprint without popping something.

I'm good. No more GAINZ needed, just MAINTAINZ

Posted by: Tommylotto at October 24, 2016 06:45 PM (A3a8d)

196 I have a surgically altered body, so walking is my exercise of any quantity.

--

Is it bad that my first thought is boob job?

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 06:46 PM (Om16U)

197 >>Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 06:45 PM (0mRoj)

If your toe nails haven't fallen off, you're still good for at least a month or so.

Posted by: garrett at October 24, 2016 06:46 PM (jyw33)

198 i drove home and had pizza and beer for dinner, followed by martinis. F their post-procedure instructions... and fasting.
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 24, 2016 05:53 PM (i/VQi)

Good on yer Red! The Type I shows what the Carcano could have been if the Eyeties had used a magazine set up instead of the cheaper en bloc clip. Heavier than a Type 38 but just as accurate.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 24, 2016 06:47 PM (ej1L0)

199 I've lost over 20 pounds over the last several
months through the stress and starvation method. I very strongly do NOT
recommend it.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 06:45 PM (0mRoj)

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I was thinking I would try that next. Only 8 weeks of unemployment left.

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 24, 2016 06:47 PM (BcNLK)

200 "It doesn't matter how many meals, as long as you only eat within the 8 or 10 hour window
Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai"

Thanks!

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 06:48 PM (3myMJ)

201 197 >>Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 06:45 PM (0mRoj)

If your toe nails haven't fallen off, you're still good for at least a month or so.
Posted by: garrett at October 24, 2016 06:46 PM (jyw33)

*checks toenails*

Well, that's a minor relief.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 06:48 PM (0mRoj)

202 Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 06:45 PM (0mRoj)

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I was thinking I would try that next. Only 8 weeks of unemployment left.
Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 24, 2016 06:47 PM (BcNLK)

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 06:49 PM (0mRoj)

203 Votermom - HA!

More like 2xknee, 1xshoulder as the biggies. Along with some broken bones in back and neck and elbow. I'm an orthopedic surgeon's dream patient.

Posted by: Skinnier at October 24, 2016 06:50 PM (NPLj5)

204
Posted by: Skinnier at October 24, 2016 06:43 PM (NPLj5)

Excellent, thanks! Putting this to work now!

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 06:50 PM (3myMJ)

205 Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 24, 2016 06:40 PM (qcCvJ)

Excellent, thanks so much! I'm excited!

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 06:51 PM (3myMJ)

206 I spent the day evaluating Mr. Deplorable's coin collection online.

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 24, 2016 06:51 PM (BcNLK)

207 I'm maintaining about 35# loss for 3 months and change at this point. I started the IF when you first mentioned it, and I like it. It's a good way to regain control when you cheat/fail a meal or two. I'm 5-11 165# from ~200# and I feel like I can maintain here long term. I could probably drop another 5-7# and see some abs, but I don't think I can hold there for long, and I already need to buy new clothes. I've been holding off on the shopping trip to make sure that I can keep myself here and I'm beginning to think I can.

Posted by: Froggy at October 24, 2016 06:53 PM (3j6gC)

208 Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 06:45 PM (0mRoj)

You've got some tools when you decide to use them, bud. Let's rock.

Forza! (look it up)

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 06:53 PM (3myMJ)

209 I did really well last week, subjectively anyway. Not a single grain passed my lips. That's wheat, corn, rice, oats, etc. if you're keeping score at home. Then Friday happened. That guy who got thrown out of the Rusty Spur in Scottsdale? Wasn't me. May have looked like me, but wasn't me.

Posted by: Desmondo at October 24, 2016 06:55 PM (zsQy2)

210 Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 24, 2016 06:45 PM (BcNLK
You have a great outlook.
I have back problems but it could be so much worse. I can walk, I'm stronger now than I was in my late 20's/ 30's from working out.
My goal is to be able to do an unassisted pull up. I will get there.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 06:57 PM (Q5Ymk)

211 Something else Ace might explore with this thread next week:

How many clothes have we been donating to Goodwill?

In my case a whole bunch of 38Waist pants.

I'm keeping my thicker fatboy belts to use with holsters when I eventually get concealed carry into my lifestyle. The other fatty belts are going to Goodwill.

I have a HUGE suit I bought about 7 months ago that I wore but once, to a funeral, which is going to Goodwill.

The 36Waist cargo pants i put on tonight when returning home from the office were so slack on my skinnier body that my wife made me but on a belt ... so they and many other 36Waist pants will be history by Thanksgiving, if not sooner.

It was a delight to find a bunch of my skinnier 36Waist slacks in my closet a month or so ago, and even more of a delight to find that some of them are too loose now to wear much longer.

Posted by: Skinnier at October 24, 2016 06:57 PM (NPLj5)

212 I have back problems...
My goal is to be able to do an unassisted pull up. I will get there.
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 06:57 PM (Q5Ymk)

Ever tried just hanging from the bar with your feet off the floor? Great for the back.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 06:59 PM (3myMJ)

213 I'm also 61 and would like to +1000 what the good duchess Miley said.
Excepg while i haven't really taken myself off the market per say, I'm not really out looking either.
An American ideals loving, homebody who isn't into world travel and has taken reasonable care of herself for starters is only part of what I need and just having those qualities puts a woman out of my league. Throw in wants to make love most every night and...
Thank God for the music while it lasts.
Gotta go push a lawn mower around for an hour.
Love each other fellow babies.

Posted by: teej at October 24, 2016 07:01 PM (HddOg)

214 My goal is to be able to do an unassisted pull up. I will get there.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 06:57 PM (Q5Ymk)
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I've never done an unassisted pull up in my life; however, I have *ahem* wonderful skilz that will most likely never be utilized again. Which is theoretically a shame.

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 24, 2016 07:01 PM (BcNLK)

215 I am so, so sorry to hear that Steven denBeste has died today. His blog, USS Clueless, was brilliant and wonderful. He turned a lot of folks on to the Belmont Club and EjectEjectEject!, inter alia.

Godspeed, good soul.

Posted by: Beverly at October 24, 2016 07:01 PM (0DUaE)

216 To those of you whose pants are too big now, I have discovered suspenders are my new best friend and cheaper than a new wardrobe.

The bozo look is good for me. I just need to find the big red shoes now.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at October 24, 2016 07:04 PM (cCxiu)

217 Sometimes I think it's age changing the metabolism. I'm 5' 3", and for most of my life have been between 100 and 110 pounds. I broke both bones in my leg, though, in late 2011, at 58. Never regained full movement, and in the last 18 months in particular have gained a lot of weight. Tried cutting calories to between 800 and 1000 per day, but ended up edging into cardiac arrhythmia. Soooo, am going to go back to PT to try gain more free movement, and hopefully lose weight that way!

Posted by: Lirio100 at October 24, 2016 07:04 PM (JK7Jw)

218 106 Shit

O/T

Steven DenBeste has departed the pattern.

RIP

A great man, a good friend, and a tragic loss.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 24, 2016 07:06 PM (2yngH)

219 I'm also 61 and would like to +1000 what the good duchess Miley said.

Excepg while i haven't really taken myself off the market per say, I'm not really out looking either.

An American ideals loving, homebody who isn't into world travel and
has taken reasonable care of herself for starters is only part of what I
need and just having those qualities puts a woman out of my league.
Throw in wants to make love most every night and...

Thank God for the music while it lasts.

Gotta go push a lawn mower around for an hour.

Love each other fellow babies.

Posted by: teej at October 24, 2016 07:01 PM (HddOg)

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I see one of my former bf's is constantly traveling with his current gf/wife (don't know, don't care). What a fucking nuisance that would be. He's in China or some such place right now, according to his FB. I just keep him on my friend list b/c he's a conservative and they're aren't many of them on my list.
Just curious, is making love every night a burdensome thing or a hard-to-find thing? I was wondering how rare a creature Mr. Deplorable was for his age group.

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 24, 2016 07:09 PM (BcNLK)

220 Ace: what is our "normal weight" assumed in your discussion - - our average weight over a period of time, the medically accepted standard weight of someone of like age, height, frame, etc, or simply what we feel is comfortable and easy to maintain for us?

I went thru the fitness gamut during what I believe to be your current age (late 20's early 30's) - distance running and low fat foods until I had virtually zero body fat; and then to power weight lifting (500+ squats, 300+ bench, etc) and scarfing whole baked chickens in one sitting, and the difference between the my weight during those cycles was only 40 -50lbs at the peak of each system.

Those days are long past (in my early 50's) now a couch/cpu potato and I struggle to find one routine and diet that keeps my weight steady. Interesting study to say the least.

Posted by: Smitty27 at October 24, 2016 07:12 PM (g9d8D)

221 Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 06:59 PM (3myMJ)
I do that all the time. It stretches my back. I almost pass out. Major head rush and everything starts to go black. I've had a cervical spine fusion, anterior and posterior. I think that has something to do with it.
So long story short, I can't hang as long as I'd like.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 07:17 PM (Q5Ymk)

222 #221 CaliGirl, I can't imagine.

I think I will add "no orthopedic surgery and no need for such" to my gratitude list.

My dad used to "hang" himself from the door to stretch out his spine, he had some back issues.

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 24, 2016 07:19 PM (BcNLK)

223 Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 07:17 PM (Q5Ymk)

Oh my goodness. I set up my bar so I can "hang" from it while my feet barely touch the floor. Maybe that would help, and good luck!

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 07:21 PM (3myMJ)

224 Tonestaple, I'm game. -- Beverly

Posted by: Beverly at October 24, 2016 07:22 PM (0DUaE)

225 Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 07:21 PM (3myMJ)
I hang until I get dizzy and then grab the wall, saying ooh head rush. I thought everyone almost passed out from doing the hang things. My trainer told me no, that's not normal.
The doctor said, well don't do that. He's so funny.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 07:24 PM (Q5Ymk)

226 #223 Oh my goodness. I set up my bar so I can "hang" from
it while my feet barely touch the floor. Maybe that would help, and
good luck!

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 07:21 PM (3myMJ)

=========My dad was sitting on the floor, it was a mild stretching.
He had an extra set of baby-ribs in his neck. One of my brothers has them, too.

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 24, 2016 07:28 PM (BcNLK)

227 An Ice Water Enema Bar.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 24, 2016 05:38 PM (J+eG2)

There's a business idea with a low overhead. Better than waxing pubes, right?

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 24, 2016 07:31 PM (BcNLK)

228 Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 07:24 PM (Q5Ymk)

A nerve is getting impinged when you are in that position. Like my left hand which goes somewhat numb when I drive or get on the phone in the morning. Later in the day it doesn't happen.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 07:33 PM (3myMJ)

229 Just want to thank everyone on this thread for keeping each other motivated. Reading all these gainzzzz/losezzzz keeps me going.

Posted by: Memories at October 24, 2016 07:33 PM (mwcEF)

230 what you're failing to note is all the studies -- with patients rigged up to accelerometers on every limb -- showing that when people cut calories to 1200 per day, their body quickly REDUCES OUTPUT down to 1200 calories a day.

They stop moving much. Their body reduces energy expenditures down to the new "energy budget."

Posted by: ace

But that ignores half the equation -- the "burn more" part of "eat less/burn more."

Again there is a conflation going on about what people are capable of doing and what they feel like doing.

If you eat less and then intentionally and consciously exercise then you will overcome the "body reduces energy expenditures" roadblock.

Are you saying that people's interior metabolism slows down and they simply burn fewer calories in a static state -- or are you saying that when you eat less you are overcome with lassitude and don't feel like exercising and thus don't exercise?

It doesn't work. At some point people have to reckon the actual results of a theory, and not just keep saying "But it should work, at least on paper!"

It doesn't work. Period.

Every time in history there is a famine or a crop failure or concentration-camp phase, the "eat-less+burn-more=weight loss" theory is proven to "work" -- i.e. populations become emaciated when they don't have enough to eat and yet and forced to work.

What you are saying is that it doesn't work sociologically -- i.e. if there isn't a Khmer Rouge Social Justice Enforcer whipping you to plant rice seedlings in the hot sun even though you haven't eaten all day, then you of your own volition wouldn't exercise when on starvation rations.

Don't get me wrong -- I myself am partly following your advice, especially the "intermittent fasting" part -- which was a lifelong habit I always had but which I had been previously made to feel guilty about, but now thanks to you I see is actually a healthier way to schedule one's eating. And I also, to a much lesser degree and less rigorously, try to cut out carbs and amp up other aspects of diet. like protein and fat. (My problem is that I am compelled to eat things as part of my job, so I have less control over the diet part.)

All I'm saying is that setting aside the sociological/emotional aspects, at a certain point if you intake fewer calories than you burn daily, then by definition you will burn off weight. It's just that the sociological/emotional aspects are very real and very hard for most people to overcome.

Posted by: zombie at October 24, 2016 07:36 PM (jBuUi)

231 Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 24, 2016 07:28 PM (BcNLK)

Interesting, I've heard of that.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 07:37 PM (3myMJ)

232 and yet and forced to work = and yet ARE forced to work.

Posted by: zombie at October 24, 2016 07:37 PM (jBuUi)

233 Caligirl, ever tried one of those inversion bed thingys? You hang from your feet and can control the angle.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 07:39 PM (3myMJ)

234 Hi Ace. I have no idea what your workout is but maybe change your goal. If this is your new lifestyle you have to use mental kabuki. Tell yourself how much you are looking forward to it. Make your workout the goal. Much more enjoyable.

If that doesnt work I use mental trickery like telling myself that i'm only getting on this blasted machine for 5 minutes just to get moving. 23 minutes later I'm feeling pretty good.

I had a big change by going shorter and more intense

Posted by: DeplorePaul at October 24, 2016 07:39 PM (ar6Ly)

235 Only gainzzz are a few more pounds of fat. Did the IF thing again and I think my body rebelled and said "you must be starving! Keep the love handles!" So Mrs Swuirrel had enough and signed me up for personal training. I'm back on the Whole 30 diet plan and getting my ass kicked 5 days a week. I told the lovely trainer that the Whole 30 didn't work last time. She said "then you were eating too much." And I didn't think I was... Her revised diet plan = hungry Squirrel. She replied "you're going to be hungry."
We'll see how week 1 goes!

Posted by: Secret squirrel at October 24, 2016 07:40 PM (3F0Ql)

236 Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 07:39 PM (3myMJ)
Yes, I had one. I didn't like it, I gave it away. I would have a panic attack. Don't like it.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 07:43 PM (Q5Ymk)

237 "I'd like to hear from anyone in a stall."

>>>I was getting stalled often. I added a 1 day fast to the IF/exercise I was doing (fast every Friday- still drink the ace coffee on fast day but that's it) and that seems to break right through the stalls.

I'm down 38 pounds since July 1st and waist went form 52 to 34 inches.

Posted by: The Walking Dude

I also broke a stall last week by increasing fasting. I just eat once a day at this point, but a good meal. Have now lost 24 of 40 goal lbs.

Posted by: Smokestack at October 24, 2016 07:49 PM (3e/Uq)

238 SDB rest in peace.

I have lost about 40 pounds in 11 months of not particularly disciplined IF and I suspect that I am going to have to get serious if I expect to lose more. My exercise in summer and spring consisted of yard work but now I just chop wood, which is good exercise but also not particularly efficient. Time for me to really buckle down.

Posted by: joncelli at October 24, 2016 07:55 PM (1FhAQ)

239 That's what I do. When we were in Vegas I didn't eat bread or hash browns with breakfast, it's the drinking.
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 06:14 PM (Q5Ymk)

--------
Exactly. I can't worry about it and I'll enjoy myself, just don't overeat.

Posted by: NJRob at October 24, 2016 07:58 PM (6hdwf)

240 Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 07:43 PM (Q5Ymk)

Yes, I didn't like it either.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 08:04 PM (3myMJ)

241 Posted by: NJRob at October 24, 2016 07:58 PM (6hdwf)
Life is too short to not have fun when on vacay. I agree.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 08:15 PM (Q5Ymk)

242 #170 It's the Ketogenic diet. So for example, on a daily
basis I keep my carbohydrates around 20 grams a day, I eat enough
protein to maintain my lean muscle mass (for me that's about 55 grams a
day, give or take maybe 5 grams depending on what I feel like eating),
and the rest of my diet consists of fat to satiation. I regularly
consume between 150 and 200 grams of fat a day. I don't particularly
care about calories, so I do not intentionally count them, but when I
bother to look at my logs I am eating between 1500 and 2000 calories a
day. It just depends on how hungry I am at the time.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 06:31 PM (KkVB6)
===========
Mandy, could you give me a sample of your daily menu? Getting 5-7 oz of fat a day is a challenge for me. I tend to rely on protein, but have heard that too much isn't good.

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 24, 2016 08:21 PM (BcNLK)

243 So I still really need to clean up my diet, but I was ecstatic to get my weekly mileage up over 30 last week, woohoo! I had a really good 10 mile tempo run with almost 7 of those miles at a 8:38 average pace. I really do need to stop eating crap, though, lol!

Posted by: runningrn at October 24, 2016 08:33 PM (sUP4M)

244 Yes, I didn't like it either.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 08:04 PM (3myMJ)

Interesting. What didn't you like about it?
I have an inversion table and use it religiously, only 3-5 minutes per day. It helps keep me aligned and reduced my chiro visits by 2/3s. I'm thinking the inversion table combined with the foam roller will eliminate my chiro visits almost completely.

Posted by: Sixkiller at October 24, 2016 08:34 PM (mFA3Z)

245 Ive lost 17 lbs since the end of July. Its not coming off quickly but it's coming off. Have a ways to go. About 12 years ago started gaining weight like crazy. Was finally diagnosed with Hashimotos about 8 years ago. Took awhile to get the meds right (armour) took off quite a bit of weight starving myself but thats not a long term solution and ive gained some back. Here I am now doing Keto, and its working albiet slowly. Progress has felt better since I bought a keto recipe book and those keto strips. I have not counted calories since I started this

Posted by: small town girl at October 24, 2016 08:36 PM (9B5L1)

246 I'm still in my stall, but I think it's because I'm at my normal weight, without actually doing (gahh) exercise. Noooo thank you. Perfectly happy here in my stall.

Still no sign of those abs. And with holidays approaching, I doubt I'll see them til after the first of the year.

Posted by: Pastafarian at October 24, 2016 08:39 PM (sgHEm)

247 That which is valuable is not easy and that which is easy is not valuable. Keep working at it Ace, it will be alright, in the end. And if it isn't all right, it is not the end.
H/t Kermode and Mayo

Posted by: Joe Mack at October 24, 2016 08:40 PM (vP09u)

248 Posted by: Sixkiller at October 24, 2016 08:34 PM (mFA3Z)
I didn't like it because I would never do it without my husband holding me, I was afraid I was going to fall on my head.
I didn't get the traction from it I thought I would.
I get better traction hanging from a bar.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 08:56 PM (Q5Ymk)

249 Posted by: small town girl at October 24, 2016 08:36 PM (9B5L1)
I'm happy for you. Congrats!

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 08:58 PM (Q5Ymk)

250 Forget the stall. There is no stall. There is only you, not doing your calisthenics, bitchezz. You know, back when we were all young and stupid and poor, this shit worked like magic, for flexibility, core strength, and metabolism.

Now drop and give me 20, get up and give me 50 jumping jacks, quit your bitchen and now give me 50 situps. Move, move, move!

Posted by: Fritz at October 24, 2016 08:59 PM (3P6RA)

251 Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 24, 2016 08:21 PM (BcNLK)

I'm late back to the thread, so I hope you see this.

My days vary a lot. Sometimes I eat three meals, sometimes only two.

When I eat three an example would be B: 1/2 c full fat, plain Greek yogurt with a little Truvia and vanilla extract added in for flavor (the stonyfield farms one lists only 4 carbs in that portion, but it may be substantially less due to the lactose being eaten by the bacteria during the fermenting process), and a coffee with a tbsp each heavy cream, butter, and coconut oil (I shake it together in my blender bottle so it emulsifies and I don't have an oil slick on top). L: 2 slices tavrern ham smeared with 1 tbsp each guacamole and topped about 1 1/2 slices crispy bacon (for 3 slices total). I roll those up and eat them and will have 2 c broccoli with salt, pepper, and 2 tbsp butter. D: one large-ish chicken drumstick, skin on, that I pan-fried in bacon grease until it was super crispy then brushed with a combination of melted butter and garlic salt, also a baby spinach salad with 2 c spinach, a good handful of green olives, and olive oil and vinegar with various spices thrown in to dress it.

I'm a tex-mex fiend, so a lot of the time I will make a whole pile of taco meat, with my own seasoning mix, and eat taco salads all week. Taco meat over shredded romaine and topped with guac, sour cream, cheddar, chopped onions, hot sauce, and some ranch dressing. On days I do that I tend to only eat twice because the taco salad is incredibly filling. So I would probably have something small like another plain Greek yogurt some ham and pimento cheese roll ups.

I also really coffee, so I will have the one fatty coffee in the morning, and maybe two additional coffees with just heavy cream later in the day.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 09:44 PM (KkVB6)

252 Also, I eat a pretty good variety, other than the obsessive eating of taco salads. So my three meal day is just an example from last week.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at October 24, 2016 09:45 PM (KkVB6)

253 I didn't like it because I would never do it without my husband holding me, I was afraid I was going to fall on my head.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 08:56 PM (Q5Ymk)

'...fall on my head.'
My table has the clamps that fit over your shins from the top of the foot to about 7 inches up the leg. Almost like ski boots. No way I'm going anywhere. And then I control how quickly and how steeply I recline.

How were you locked into your table from the foot/ankle perspective?

Posted by: Sixkiller at October 24, 2016 09:50 PM (mFA3Z)

254 Mandy,

That sounds delicious! I'm going to have add taco salads to the menu.

Posted by: Sixkiller at October 24, 2016 09:51 PM (mFA3Z)

255 I'm in a stall - I'm blaming the stall balls from Horseshoe doughnuts.

Posted by: Nancy at 7000 feet CO at October 24, 2016 09:52 PM (JreH3)

256 245
Hashimoto's is an autoimmune condition. In my experience, though not shared by Big Pharma, all autoimmune issues arise from food. In the case of the thyroid, the protein structure of the gland looks a like and is mistaken for both gluten proteins from wheat and A1 casein protiens from conventional dairy. If your body doesn't like those, eating them will trigger an immune response. That response carpet bombs the thyroid along with the offending gluten and casein. Try cutting them out and see what happens, but don't stop taking the Armour cold turkey. Talk with your doctor about a step down schedule. Everyone is unique, but It worked for me in about ten days.

Posted by: Desmondo at October 25, 2016 12:57 AM (zsQy2)

257 Staying at the same weight IS a gain. For one thing, your weight is not increasing. That's good in itself.
People think of getting "stuck" as a non-gain because they're in a hurry. Don't be. As others said, your body and biochemistry need time to catch up to your gainz and adjust to the new reality.
Sticking to your regime when you can't see obvious gainz on the scale is also teaching you important long-term things like how to stop eating when you've had enough, how not to snack aimlessly, how food tastes when it isn't over-sugared and oversalted (good!), how to make exercise a normal part of your life, etc. Those are all gainz too.
And you can definitely reset your "set weight". I did and know others who've done so--for decades.
FWIW:
Try something different that's still inside the parameters of your regime. Stick to your rules, just do so in a different way now and then so your body doesn't get bored and go into a gainz snooze.
After you reach your goal or get close enough to it that you can ease off the regime, always cook as much of your own food as possible (restaurant food is full of sugar and salt), do NOT eat between meals, try to have meals at more or less the same time each day, and make exercise an enjoyable part of your days.
Stick with it, Ace!

Posted by: Erwin at October 25, 2016 05:59 AM (tiaKo)

258 See Scott Adams:

Goals v. Systems

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/102964992706/goals-vs-systems

Posted by: CrankyYankee at October 25, 2016 10:15 AM (TwYBt)

259 Besides, it's not the weight; it's the fat. Lose fat, gain muscle, even if the weight goes up.

Posted by: CrankyYankee at October 25, 2016 10:17 AM (TwYBt)

260 I have followed your weight loss thread with great enthusiasm and yes I am a physician who has followed the Atkins diet, that is to say high protein/fat diet by any other name...
Over the past 45 years I have gone thru multiple gain/loss cycles and believe there is a psychological component to maintaining weight loss, sugar addiction which was visited upon each of us by well meaning parents.
All that aside the reason I'm commenting is I read your thoughts and have lived through what you are now experiencing many times in the past. So I thought I would offer some encouragement, yes all that you wrote today is right on so now all you have to do is simply believe your own words because I can attest through experience what you are saying is correct.
I am now 69 and recently retired a rather stressful time as I could not come to terms with age and retirement soooo I fell into the pit of comfort food, result.....FAT. So I did what I always do Atkins and two months later 40 lbs. gone and now stalled. No worries the easiest thing to do is stop getting on the scales. My guess is you may be weighting daily or every couple of days in the beginning this is a positive reinforcement tool as people who are severely over weight will drop 1-2 lbs. a day initially, very good positive reinforcement initially. But as the body nears its safety zone of fat stores it begins to slow the losses. Once the body becomes acclimated the loss will continue but generally more slowly. Another factor I seldom see people account for is as you lose the weight your activity level increases, almost without notice. Increased activity increases muscle mass= denser tissue=increased weight which negates somewhat the lipo tissue loss as it is much less dense resulting in seemingly less fat loss but accordingly loss in pant size i.e. You tighten up.
I generally recommend initially either just walking or water aerobics this doesn't cause too much muscle gain and increases the use of fat stores as this type of exercise is aerobic and has multiple benefits both physically and mentally.
Sorry to have gone on for so long but I just felt the need to encourage you and all the "..rons & ronettes to keep doing what you are doing the body will respond.

Posted by: Dr. Kent at October 25, 2016 11:13 AM (9msFZ)

261 Test

Posted by: Poll man at October 25, 2016 11:22 AM (SZz6Z)

262 Finally caught up with everyone! Sounds like a lot of people are doing very well.

And if you're not, don't be afraid to say so: Most people are gonna have setbacks and hearing others (like Ace) say so can be helpful, too.

zombie & banana splits guy:

The fact that you can starve a slave to death isn't really evidence that reducing-calories/increasing-exercise "works" in any meaningful sense. It's a little like saying amputation works for weight loss.

The bulk of almost anyone's* caloric expenditures is going to be BMR and WE DO NOT CONTROL THAT**. So it's not a matter of "consciously exercising" and "eating less". You can work out quite a bit, and if you merely "eat less" your body will compensate by cranking down the metabolism and making it that much harder for you to expend energy.

Well, you say, that doesn't mean you CAN'T do so, as the slave-driven-concentration-camp approach shows, but do you suppose there are really no side effects from that? What vitamins, what muscle, what nerve damage, what else is happening to the guy who, when his body says, "Hey, STOP MOVING," responds with, "Screw you, I'm doing whatever it takes!"?

The idea here is NOT to overwhelm the body--something possible but undesirable in most cases--but to put the body back in tune: To have the decrease in POTENTIAL energy (fat) go hand-in-hand with an increase in ACTUAL energy.

What putting a really fat person on 1,200 calorie diet does (apparently) is tell the body "Make less than 1,200 calories available for elective activity!" This is related to why the working out more at point A almost invariably results in sedentary behavior at all non-A points.

You guys are still buying into the whole "people are awful" view of diet.

*Caveat for pro athletes
** Caveat for certain gurus

Posted by: moviegique at October 25, 2016 01:02 PM (7zeA4)

263 Lift weights, get stronger AND smarter!

It's all about the GAINZZZ, brah!!!

http://preview.tinyurl.com/z6xl3te

Posted by: Sixkiller...Stronger and Smarter at October 25, 2016 06:02 PM (mFA3Z)

264 always wanted to comment but never got through the comments in time. Because of this thread, I learned of IF, HFLC, and everything else.

I changed my workouts to focus on weight lifting but still get up to 2-4 miles a day on a treadmill. I gave up alcohol because I needed to, and everything else after that has been easy. I'm now in the plateau part, but I'm where I wanted to be.

Started at 198, now 156 and lost 5 sizes / 12 inches in my waist and down to a size 10 which has always been my healthy/fit size. I used to be an athlete and now I am again, it feels great.

I am as fit as I was 20 years ago when I graduated from the FBI Academy (just like Clarice) and the same weight again. I am stronger now. I've added dead lifts, squat rack and bench press. Trying to keep the routine changing every couple of months. I started on May 6.
Thanks to all you for ideas and sharing - I will try to pitch in!

Posted by: brakewater at October 25, 2016 07:50 PM (i+lAs)

265 Good job, brakewater! Hope to see you chime in next week, too!

Posted by: moviegique at October 25, 2016 08:48 PM (CcUfv)

266 I haven't posted on this thread yet, but I've been on a doctor-supervised weight loss diet for a year as of this week, and have lost 80 pounds.

It's high protein - like 50% of calories - with the rest a balance of fat and carbs, but in carefully crafted bars and snacks that have ~15 grams of protein and 120-150 calories. I get six of those a day, 4 ounces of lean protein, 2 cups of some veggies and lots of others, and two fistfuls of vitamins and a mild appetite suppressant.

Sound deadly dull, but when you're just hungry enough (but not too hungry), 5 candy bars and a bag of pretzels (soy protein high on the list) tastes pretty good.

What's made it more than tolerable is all of the following:

After 10 pounds, my injured and arthritic knee stopped hurting all the time, scaling back to a little bit sometimes.

After 30 pounds, I no longer needed a cane.

After 40 pounds, I no longer needed to use the electric cart at the grocery store.

And I had to get rid of a bunch of clothes and pull out the reservoir that hadn't fit me in 6-7 years.

Then one day, I crossed my legs. Without dragging one foot over the other knee. And it was comfortable.

Then I had to buy new tops because the ones I was wearing, even the smaller sizes, were just obviously too big.

Then I had to buy new swimsuits because - and I didn't know this could happen - they were so loose they were becoming indecent. I didn't know that swimsuits could wrinkle.

Then I found a pair of jeans on clearance for $10, formerly $90, size 14 - that fit. And feel nice. That's going from size 24 to 14 in a year.

And now - although this is TMI - I find that I am no longer middle-aged-lady-incontinent. Not even when I sneeze.

So, yesterday, I had to walk out of the teacher's lounge because someone had just microwaved some barbecue, and I can't do the sugar sauce yet . . . but as I walked back to my room, I grabbed the enormous fistful of empty fabric in the trousers that I was barely squeezing into last March, and it was okay. The barbecue will come.

Pretty much anytime I get a little down, I just cross my legs. And relish the fact that I can just do that now, and they stay that way without me having to hold on to the hem of my trousers.

Posted by: Teri at October 25, 2016 10:36 PM (YcsJS)

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