Obama's Cash-O-Rama Bonanza May Have Whetted Iran's Appetite for Ransoming More Hostages

Iran Seeking ‘Many Billions of Dollars’ in Ransom to Free U.S. Hostages
Source close to IRGC puts bounty on remaining U.S. hostages (Updated)

BY: Adam Kredo Follow @Kredo0
October 19, 2016 4:18 pm
Iran is seeking "many billions of dollars" in payments from the United States in exchange for the release of several U.S. hostages still being detained in Iran, according to reports by Iran’s state-controlled press that are reigniting debate over the Obama administration’s decision earlier this year to pay Iran $1.7 billion in cash.
Senior Iranian officials, including the country's president, have been floating the possibility of further payments from the United States for months. Since the White House agreed to pay Tehran $1.7 billion in cash earlier this year as part of a deal bound up in the release of American hostages, Iran has captured several more U.S. citizens.
Future payments to Iran could reach as much as $2 billion, according to sources familiar with the matter, who said that Iran is detaining U.S. citizens in Iran's notorious Evin prison where inmates are routinely tortured and abused.
Iranian news sources close to the country’s Revolutionary Guard Corps, or IRGC, which has been handling prisoner swaps with the United States, reported on Tuesday that Iran expects "many billions of dollars to release" those U.S. citizens still being detained.
"We should wait and see, the U.S. will offer … many billions of dollars to release"

NOTE: My computer is failing again. This time, I can't connect to the internet. Posting may be spotty.

Posted by: Ace at 12:51 PM

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1

@$$hole in chief

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 21, 2016 01:08 PM (qCMvj)

2 It's not unlike Sue and Settle. If the administration wants to give Iran money they'll do it. There's plenty of grievances yet to pay off.

Posted by: tachyonshuggy at October 21, 2016 01:08 PM (RuD8g)

3 Are there really no comments yet?

Posted by: BurtTC at October 21, 2016 01:08 PM (TOk1P)

4 Wait....You're telling me that rewarding bad behavior encourages more bad behavior?

I shan't believe that...

Posted by: wytshus at October 21, 2016 01:08 PM (EVi2J)

5 Well DUH????

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 21, 2016 01:08 PM (0tfLf)

6 Obama's African heritage has not taught him the lesson of paying the Danegeld. Unfortunately it will be rest of us who suffer from his stupidity.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 21, 2016 01:08 PM (mpXpK)

7 Barry is a pussy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 21, 2016 01:09 PM (0F67M)

8 Sucks to be them.

Posted by: Hillary's Hunchman at October 21, 2016 01:10 PM (KvWlw)

9 What you subsidize, you get more of.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 21, 2016 01:10 PM (KUaJL)

10

anywhere Americans travel abroad is becoming dangerous now

I had to read the story about all of the German citizens leaving Germany, because of the refugees and Islam, because I was wondering where would they go.

Hungary.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 21, 2016 01:10 PM (qCMvj)

11 >Iran has captured several more U.S. citizens.

Cause and effect, how does it work?

Posted by: Lea at October 21, 2016 01:11 PM (lIU4e)

12 Anyone else of the opinion that a percentage of these billions is very likely being kicked back in carefully concealed channels to the Obamas and the Clintons?

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at October 21, 2016 01:11 PM (hA1V+)

13 Could this be Russia's answer to Uncle Biden's threats?
http://gizmodo.com/this-is-probably-why-half-the-internet-shut-down-today-1788062835

Might be why Ace is having network issues too.

Posted by: Gruntled at October 21, 2016 01:11 PM (CRQ5V)

14 I'd call this an impeachable offense, but you know, off the table and all that jazz.

Posted by: Flyguy at October 21, 2016 01:12 PM (3sOO0)

15 At the debate Trump made it very clear how these nations disrespect and laugh at Obama, Clinton, Kerry, etc. They have been played like cheap fiddles and continue the slide downward all the while maintaining that they are executing smart diplomacy.

Posted by: Cheri at October 21, 2016 01:13 PM (oiNtH)

16 Giving Iran money... in the hopes that, what??

It's like giving a crack hoar $10, hoping she'll come back next Tuesday and give you head.

Eh, no, dude. She'll keep coming back for more money, but you ain't getting no mouth slider from her.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 21, 2016 01:13 PM (TOk1P)

17 I'm pretty sure the Navy could take a few islands hostage overnight.

Posted by: DaveA at October 21, 2016 01:13 PM (8J/Te)

18 Miss me yet?

Posted by: Jeb! at October 21, 2016 01:14 PM (X5jRy)

19 in carefully concealed channels to

Not that carefully.

Posted by: ValJar vs Anonymous at October 21, 2016 01:14 PM (8J/Te)

20 Well it's out now so there's one less international scumbag dictator, oligarch or corporation who can blackmail her if she becomes President. 1 down, 5,897 to go.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at October 21, 2016 01:15 PM (kfcYC)

21 Recall that the Int'l Chess Federation (or whatever it's called) has scheduled their next championship event in *Iran*.

No Americans should attend, and shame on the organizers for putting their participants at risk for being hostages..

Last I heard, the female American chess champion has already declined because she would have been forced to wear a hijab.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 21, 2016 01:15 PM (NOIQH)

22 20 Well it's out now so there's one less international scumbag dictator, oligarch or corporation who can blackmail her if she becomes President. 1 down, 5,897 to go.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn

Sorry meant for the Morocco post.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at October 21, 2016 01:15 PM (kfcYC)

23 Ace, much of the East coast is having spotty internet issues. Could just be that (although you probably should upgrade anyway).

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at October 21, 2016 01:15 PM (RD7QR)

24 I might be completely wrong but I have been feeling more optimistic these last few days that Trump will win; regardless of the polls. Its almost an undercurrent I'm sensing that folks are ready for a change, coupled with the wikileaks stuff which is getting out to the general public despite the MSM..as I said, I might be wrong but it is a good feeling.

Posted by: IC at October 21, 2016 01:15 PM (a0IVu)

25 'Miss me yet?
Posted by: Jeb!'

Rarely

Posted by: The kid in the back of the class shooting spitballs from a straw at October 21, 2016 01:16 PM (KvWlw)

26 Anyone else of the opinion that a percentage of these billions is very likely being kicked back in carefully concealed channels to the Obamas and the Clintons?

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at October 21, 2016 01:11 PM (hA1V+)

Not the Clintons, no. They're Saudi puppets, not Iranian puppets. This is Valjar's money scheme. No way she's letting the Clintons in on this one.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 21, 2016 01:16 PM (TOk1P)

27 >>Anyone else of the opinion that a percentage of these billions is very
likely being kicked back in carefully concealed channels to the Obamas
and the Clintons?

Of course it is.

Think it's a coincidence that Obama's DC residence is `800 ft from the Iranian embassy?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 21, 2016 01:16 PM (NOIQH)

28 A real President would Grenada this shit. You take our people, we fuck you up.

Posted by: Chupacabra at October 21, 2016 01:16 PM (CYqDc)

29 "Future payments to Iran could reach as much as $2 billion"

Why not trillions? Once you establish that you'll pay ransom, the sky's the limit.

Posted by: m at October 21, 2016 01:17 PM (/4GEs)

30 8 MORE YEARS! 8 MORE YEARS! 8 MORE YEARS! 8 MORE YEARS!

Posted by: Conservative Intellectuals at October 21, 2016 01:17 PM (SyKbw)

31 "NOTE: My computer is failing again. This time, I can't connect to the internet. Posting may be spotty."

Don't blame your computer. Take a look at what's on Drudge now. Not sure who's behind it yet though.

Posted by: Happy Fun Ball at October 21, 2016 01:17 PM (fDGAU)

32 Hmm, if they'll pay us to kidnap their people...maybe they will pay us to nuke their cities too!

Posted by: Iran at October 21, 2016 01:17 PM (X7E8f)

33 Recall that the Int'l Chess Federation (or whatever it's called) has scheduled their next championship event in *Iran*.

No Americans should attend, and shame on the organizers for putting their participants at risk for being hostages..

Last I heard, the female American chess champion has already declined because she would have been forced to wear a hijab.
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we will capture your queens. Make them our pawns until The Great Satan gets rooked.

Posted by: IRAN at October 21, 2016 01:17 PM (h/uSM)

34 Feels like 1980, in more ways than one.

Posted by: Joe Mama at October 21, 2016 01:18 PM (jPoCB)

35 Posted by: BurtTC at October 21, 2016 01:13 PM

Your vote for Hillary! is all I need.

Posted by: Madonna at October 21, 2016 01:18 PM (X5jRy)

36 'Don't blame your computer. Take a look at what's on Drudge now. Not sure who's behind it yet though.'

Russians. Duh.

Posted by: The kid in the back of the class shooting spitballs from a straw at October 21, 2016 01:18 PM (KvWlw)

37 Yeah, see, where's your Legacy NOW, Obama?

Posted by: Edward G. Robinson, Somehow Miscast In The Ten Commandments at October 21, 2016 01:18 PM (cCEFD)

38 Ace, much of the East coast is having spotty internet issues.

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That time of the month?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 21, 2016 01:18 PM (h/uSM)

39 Something of a Barbary Pirate mentality, it seems. Too bad Presley O'Bannion is no more.

Posted by: Trainer at October 21, 2016 01:19 PM (pR/j0)

40 You know, if I remember correctly the Christians and Jews are supposedly semi-protected in Islam... as long as they pay the "Jizya" tax.

Obama's just paying the Jizya tax like he's supposed to to his Muslim overlords. Tribute, danegeld, ransom--whatever you want to call it, just payments to the ruler.

And Obama surrendered us to Iran without anyone noticing.

Posted by: Vanceone at October 21, 2016 01:19 PM (jngwH)

41 I had to read the story about all of the German citizens leaving Germany, because of the refugees and Islam, because I was wondering where would they go.

Hungary.

Well, they always start in France...

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 21, 2016 01:19 PM (0tfLf)

42 I can get them released if Tehran is willing to return a percentage of the ransom to the Clinton Foundation.

Posted by: Hillary at October 21, 2016 01:19 PM (sWgE+)

43 Boy, I remember when the gov't was all in on getting back at the Chinese over OPA.

Remember that?

What, you don't?

Posted by: Chupacabra at October 21, 2016 01:20 PM (CYqDc)

44 So reading the tea leaves of 4 years of President Clinton it seems we'd have:

1) A real war with Russia, perhaps with nukes, that will formally end NATO
2) Iran going back to the way they acted in the 80s with rampant terrorism, if not a full fledged invasion of the gulf states
3) Another India-Pakistani war
4) A Pacific theater war between China and the Norks on one side vs South Korea and Japan on the other

Yep, that sounds like something we should all vote for!

Posted by: 18-1 at October 21, 2016 01:20 PM (X7E8f)

45 41
I had to read the story about all of the German citizens leaving
Germany, because of the refugees and Islam, because I was wondering
where would they go.

Hungary.

Well, they always start in France...

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 21, 2016 01:19 PM (0tfLf)
Switzerland is a possibility - they are holding firm on refugees. If it wasn't so darn expensive to live there...

Posted by: IC at October 21, 2016 01:20 PM (a0IVu)

46 Hostages? No.

However, if Iran is willing to make a donation to the Clinton Global Initiative, I'm sure that arrangements can be made to get them some more sweet, sweet government borrowed foreign currency flown in by military plane in the middle of the night.

They can keep the hostages. CGI will offset those lives lost with saving millions of people by helping to keep guns out out of the hands of homocidal toddlers.

Posted by: Damiano at October 21, 2016 01:20 PM (71OEY)

47
Iran: Dr Evil

obama: Austin Powerless

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 21, 2016 01:21 PM (WE5/U)

48 Recall that the Int'l Chess Federation (or whatever it's called) has scheduled their next championship event in *Iran*.

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any truth to the rumor that Queens cannot leave the home row unless gaurded by a knight? Of that bishops will be called Mullahs?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 21, 2016 01:21 PM (h/uSM)

49 Frankly, I'm amazed the Chinese haven't rolled into Taiwan yet.

Posted by: Chupacabra at October 21, 2016 01:21 PM (CYqDc)

50 34 Feels like 1980, in more ways than one.

Posted by: Joe Mama at October 21, 2016 01:18 PM (jPoCB)

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i wasn't getting laid that year either

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 21, 2016 01:22 PM (h/uSM)

51 Posted by: BurtTC at October 21, 2016 01:13 PM

Your vote for Hillary! is all I need.

Posted by: Madonna at October 21, 2016 01:18 PM (X5jRy)

I learned my negotiatin' skillz from the Bobama Administration. I shall pay you $100 NOT to come anywhere near my peener.

Is that enough? I have moar money!

Posted by: BurtTC at October 21, 2016 01:22 PM (TOk1P)

52 There is currently a MAJOR DDOS (hack) going on against Dyn- one of the biggest DNS managers in the country. So, half of the internet is down. It is CLEARLY ZE RUSSIANS!!!

Posted by: Moron Pundit at October 21, 2016 01:22 PM (xeeHA)

53 49 Frankly, I'm amazed the Chinese haven't rolled into Taiwan yet.
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 21, 2016 01:21 PM (CYqDc)

Cheaper to cut a deal with president Hillary.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at October 21, 2016 01:22 PM (RD7QR)

54 Who cares about this or Hillary's pay for play with Morocco.... Trump was nasty to Hillary last night.....

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 21, 2016 01:22 PM (O2RFr)

55 My friends, we have nothing to fear with ~~Barack Obama~~ Hillary Clinton in the White House

Posted by: John McCain at October 21, 2016 01:22 PM (DpOmP)

56 Ace, I don't think it's your computer's fault -- there is a major system-wide hack happening to day that's messing up many service providers and major networks around the world:

http://mashable.com/2016/10/21/sites-across-internet-struggle-after-cyberattack/

Sites across the internet suffer outage after cyberattack

Posted by: zombie at October 21, 2016 01:22 PM (jBuUi)

57 Time to mint some of those trillion dollar coins.

Posted by: BignJames at October 21, 2016 01:22 PM (9RGU3)

58
Frankly, I'm amazed the Chinese haven't rolled into Taiwan yet.

Eggrolled into Taiwan?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 21, 2016 01:23 PM (WE5/U)

59 My theory on the internet outages.

The UN has uploaded a bureaucratic efficiency update.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 21, 2016 01:23 PM (tf9Ne)

60 In a show of solidarity and because my judeo-slavic blood has come alive in this cool weather, gonna eat a big ol' mess of bigos tonight, and wash it down with either Gzhelka (russki vodka) or maybe some Serbian slivo. I'm open to alternative suggestions.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at October 21, 2016 01:23 PM (NBViM)

61 http://tinyurl.com/jlmj8nb

On the plus side, Twitter and Reddit are down so... it's not all bad.

Posted by: Moron Pundit at October 21, 2016 01:23 PM (xeeHA)

62 When you encourage certain behavior, you get more of that behavior.

And I'm sorry, but any American civilians anywhere near Iran have lost any grain of common sense. I know liberal bona-fides are supposed to trump reality, but (spoiler alert) they really don't.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 21, 2016 01:23 PM (DuH+r)

63
Posted by: 18-1 at October 21, 2016 01:20 PM (X7E8f)

#BetterThanTrump

Posted by: the dude at October 21, 2016 01:23 PM (SyKbw)

64 44 So reading the tea leaves of 4 years of President Clinton it seems we'd have:

1) A real war with Russia, perhaps with nukes, that will formally end NATO
2) Iran going back to the way they acted in the 80s with rampant terrorism, if not a full fledged invasion of the gulf states
3) Another India-Pakistani war
4) A Pacific theater war between China and the Norks on one side vs South Korea and Japan on the other

Yep, that sounds like something we should all vote for!
Posted by: 18-1 at October 21, 2016 01:20 PM (X7E8f)

Hey, it's worth it for free tuition, $15/ hour minimum wage, and forcing everyone to call me by my preferred, made up gender pronoun.

~ The 52%

Posted by: Damiano at October 21, 2016 01:23 PM (71OEY)

65 Clinton will give them the cash.

Trump, I hope, would channel Reagan and prepare to give them something much more deserving.

Posted by: Markon at October 21, 2016 01:24 PM (f6QM0)

66 Frankly, I'm amazed the Chinese haven't rolled into Taiwan yet.

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we had all our invasion plans on a Galaxy Note 7...

Posted by: CHIINA at October 21, 2016 01:24 PM (h/uSM)

67 'Miss me yet?
Posted by: Jeb!' yes like I miss Hemorrhoids

Posted by: Evilpens at October 21, 2016 01:24 PM (y3aQB)

68 I know how Ace hates those "spotty" days.

Posted by: jwest at October 21, 2016 01:24 PM (Zs4uk)

69 So, caving in to ransom demands encourages more kidnapping and more ransom demands.

Wow.

In the entire history of the human race, no one has ever suspected this would happen!

Posted by: zombie at October 21, 2016 01:25 PM (jBuUi)

70 Don't blame your computer. Take a look at what's on Drudge now. Not sure who's behind it yet though.

500 quatloos on Anonymous.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 21, 2016 01:25 PM (I1MCJ)

71 13 Could this be Russia's answer to Uncle Biden's threats?
http://gizmodo.com/this-is-probably-why-half-the-internet-shut-down-today-1788062835

Might be why Ace is having network issues too.
Posted by: Gruntled at October 21, 2016 01:11 PM (CRQ5V)

Or maybe, just maybe...

it's Skynet taking control ala Terminator 3.

Posted by: The Institute at October 21, 2016 01:25 PM (nGsFZ)

72 Clinton will give them the cash.

She'll just raise taxes on the "wealthy".... Make them pay their fair share don't you know

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 21, 2016 01:25 PM (O2RFr)

73 And I'm sorry, but any American civilians anywhere near Iran have lost any grain of common sense

This ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 21, 2016 01:25 PM (RKJF2)

74 The Iranians would probably stop doing this kind of stuff, if they just had good jobs.

I have very few criticisms of the Israelis, except this -- They will make outrageously uneven 'prisoner swaps' to get back a single Israeli, even just their dead body.

And so of course Hamas makes grabbing Israeli captives one of their highest priorities.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 21, 2016 01:25 PM (gyKtp)

75

His sycophants (aka psycho-phants) adore him because they never learned what leadership was. They really have no idea. All that guides them is Pop Culture, and he IS the Pop Culture potus.

It's hideous.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 21, 2016 01:25 PM (qCMvj)

76 Frankly, I'm amazed the Chinese haven't rolled into Taiwan yet.

Posted by: Chupacabra at October 21, 2016 01:21 PM (CYqDc)

I'll take "things than make you go 'Hmmm'" for $500, Alex.

Gonna assume, in the absence of any other theory, it's cash. Cash cash cash.

$800 billion in annual shovel-ready stimulus gotta go somewhere. Not all of it is building windmills and solar farms out West.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 21, 2016 01:25 PM (TOk1P)

77 I might be completely wrong but I have been feeling more optimistic these last few days that Trump will win; regardless of the polls. Its almost an undercurrent I'm sensing that folks are ready for a change, coupled with the wikileaks stuff which is getting out to the general public despite the MSM..as I said, I might be wrong but it is a good feeling.
Posted by: IC

I go back and forth, but I also have a bit more optimism than I did a few weeks ago.

I honestly think Trump's campaign should do more to make people think this is something within reach instead of focusing on being rigged and a foregone conclusion.

I'm still in the pessimistic camp, but I do think Elections are more in flux than people realize because they are somewhat zero sum. Had 2% of people "changed their mind" and voted against Obama, Romney would have won.

So if Trump can pull a couple more % in than Romney, Hillary underperforms a few % under Obama, and a few undecided voters land on Trump, the numbers can move quite a bit.

Posted by: Maritime at October 21, 2016 01:25 PM (yge/E)

78 Clinton will give them the cash.

Trump, I hope, would channel Reagan and prepare to give them something much more deserving.

Bottled sunshine.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 21, 2016 01:26 PM (I1MCJ)

79 On the plus side, Twitter and Reddit are down so... it's not all bad. twitter is running fine for me, was out earlier this morning for about 45 minutes. Anonymous taking credit for it

Posted by: Evilpens at October 21, 2016 01:26 PM (y3aQB)

80 62 When you encourage certain behavior, you get more of that behavior.

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[crosses fingers]

Scarlett Johannson, i encourage you to blow me

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 21, 2016 01:26 PM (h/uSM)

81 Hay ace, aren't you in New York? I just heard on the radio that there had been a DDOS attack on Internet servers on the East Coast this morning. The devices in question are the ones that assign IP addresses to domain names, so that may account for at least some of your issues. At last report the attack has ended.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Deplorable Source of all SMODs at October 21, 2016 01:26 PM (2pIEi)

82 Internet's been wonky in general. My phone in 4G is working better than my wifi.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 21, 2016 01:26 PM (VKZGb)

83 Well the Russians did roll into Crimea.

On the JEF's watch.

Posted by: torabora at October 21, 2016 01:27 PM (KliJZ)

84 Bottled sunshine

nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

Fun and games

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at October 21, 2016 01:27 PM (ANs86)

85 >>> 69 So, caving in to ransom demands encourages more kidnapping and more ransom demands.
....

#SmartPower!

Along with your plane load of cash, you'll also receive an iPod with Obama's speeches and a giant red Overcharge/ Reset button!

See how much the world loves us now!

Posted by: Damiano at October 21, 2016 01:27 PM (71OEY)

86 Depending on your location and local DNS caching, YMMV on which sites are down. I can say for sure that in my location Twitter is down. Probably not for too much longer.

Posted by: Moron Pundit at October 21, 2016 01:28 PM (xeeHA)

87
It looks like Wikileaks made a threat by highlighting the
Obama e-mails, especially since the e-mails were few in number and not
particularly relevant. They were saying that they had more. The
Podesta e-mails are interesting, but they are not the mother-lode. Release of Hillary/Obama/Mook/Huma/Mills e-mails is the trove (if they have it).
Then,
they threatened Kaine and Brazile -- odd for them to do that. But if
you are the USGOV, as the pieces come together, these hints may clue you
in on what wikileaks may have in their hand. Its another threat, with
no actual disclosure.
Today, we have a massive internet attack.
Wikileaks tweets some odd things, including the tuesday picture (which
now looks to be deleted). We're getting glimpses of something being
fought out behind the scenes.

Posted by: Revenant at October 21, 2016 01:28 PM (3DSAh)

88 I might be completely wrong but I have been feeling more optimistic these last few days that Trump will win; regardless of the polls. Its almost an undercurrent I'm sensing that folks are ready for a change, coupled with the wikileaks stuff which is getting out to the general public despite the MSM..as I said, I might be wrong but it is a good feeling.
Posted by: IC

I think you're right about the undercurrent about being ready for a change. I fear that you're wrong to be optimistic, because of what could happen if the change doesn't happen through normal electoral channels.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 21, 2016 01:28 PM (KUaJL)

89 A Donald Trump USA will offer Iran a few milliseconds of blinding white light and a sea of glass if the hostages are not released pronto. Savvy?

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 21, 2016 01:28 PM (JO9+V)

90 >>Obama's just paying the Jizya tax like he's supposed to to his Muslim
overlords. Tribute, danegeld, ransom--whatever you want to call it, just
payments to the ruler.

And Obama surrendered us to Iran without anyone noticing.

Think you may be right...and that is frightening.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 21, 2016 01:29 PM (NOIQH)

91 It would be cheaper to send 'em an ICBM. No need to charter a plane!

Posted by: Simple Minded at October 21, 2016 01:29 PM (titxS)

92 Thanks to Barry and Hillary, USSR snatches victory from the jaws of defeat

Posted by: Ioseph Stalin at October 21, 2016 01:29 PM (DpOmP)

93 We should expedite the delivery of the ransom money via cruise missile.

Posted by: Max Power at October 21, 2016 01:29 PM (q177U)

94 President Unprecedented has now set a precedent, streamlines hostage-to-money pipeline.

Plan:

1. Kidnap Americans
2 Get money!
3. There is no step 3!

Posted by: West at October 21, 2016 01:30 PM (1Rgee)

95 49 Frankly, I'm amazed the Chinese haven't rolled into Taiwan yet.

#twoweeks

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 21, 2016 01:30 PM (fYFz4)

96 I learned my negotiatin' skillz from the Bobama Administration. I shall pay you $100 NOT to come anywhere near my peener.
Is that enough? I have moar money!
Posted by: BurtTC at October 21, 2016 01:22 PM

$100 so that in addition I perform "I can't get no Satisfaction"? Hmmmmmmm ...

Well, ok, but 7 of your most dearly departed must vote for Her, too.

Posted by: Madonna at October 21, 2016 01:30 PM (X5jRy)

97 @80

You want: Scarlett Johansson BJ
You'll settle for: Madonna keeping her mouth shut
You'll get: Dick pics from Anthony Weiner

Posted by: Damiano at October 21, 2016 01:30 PM (71OEY)

98 As for why China hasn't taken Taiwan yet: I think Taiwan has a small but fairly sophisticated military, and a maritime invasion is notoriously hard. We had issues after shelling Iwo Jima for a month with several battleships; and Okinawa was a nightmare. And by that point, we were the best the world has ever known at maritime invasions.

China, for the first time, invading Taiwan? Seems... risky. It's a hard target to take. Plus, I'm not sure how much of Chinese military strength is just smoke and mirrors either. Sure, they can push off US assets because Barry's a punk and would surrender to Fiji, but an attack on a homeland guarded by a 1st world country; which I think Taiwan would be? Not a cakewalk, for sure. And a loss would set back Chinese prestige for generations.

No, I think they are going to wait until they are certain they could win.

Posted by: Vanceone at October 21, 2016 01:30 PM (jngwH)

99
Today, we have a massive internet attack

++++

That's Biden's haxxor boyz

We'll be vapor by next week

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at October 21, 2016 01:31 PM (ANs86)

100 So apparently there's a massive DDoS attack affecting a whole bunch of sites and Internet services. Whee.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 21, 2016 01:31 PM (VKZGb)

101 The Valerie Jarrett Institute for Privateering

Posted by: Thomas Jefferson at October 21, 2016 01:31 PM (DpOmP)

102 Why, it's almost as if he enjoys taking it up the rear from Iran.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 21, 2016 01:31 PM (mBYZv)

103 Perhaps we should respond by taking their oil terminals in the Persian Gulf hostage?

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at October 21, 2016 01:32 PM (//Lhm)

104 Do the Iranians want the ransom paid in Apple gift cards?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 21, 2016 01:32 PM (tf9Ne)

105 on the west coast now ! ! it's Anonymous ! showing they said, there is more than Wikileaks & DDOS is their Big Game

Posted by: Evilpens at October 21, 2016 01:32 PM (y3aQB)

106 Speaking of internet issues.... what happened to the whole turning over the keys to the internet thing. Wasn't that supposed to have happened in october? We sort of stopped talking about it.

I'm sure the timing is just a coincidence.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 21, 2016 01:32 PM (KUaJL)

107 Who has been kidnapped? If it's reporters, Iran is welcome to them.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 21, 2016 01:32 PM (mBYZv)

108 Ace,
It's not only your computer. I have Comcast & had an email Wednesday to unplug modem & my internet speed would increase. I did so Wednesday evening & it's still really slow.
I unplugged again this morning & it hasn't done any good.

Twitter, Amazon & other sites were down this morning.

I came here to post I'm giving up for now because it's so slow.

Posted by: Carol at October 21, 2016 01:33 PM (sj3Ax)

109 intertubes working fine here so far. at&t uverse. maybe because i live in the middle of effin nowhere.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 21, 2016 01:33 PM (KP5rU)

110 >>>I have been feeling more optimistic these last few days that Trump will win

For me, the healthiest course of action is to believe nothing. And to try and anticipate anything happening.

Posted by: Max Power at October 21, 2016 01:33 PM (q177U)

111 Plan:

1. Kidnap Americans
2 Get money!
3. ~~There is no step 3!~~ Goto 1
Posted by: West at October 21, 2016 01:30 PM

FIFY

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 21, 2016 01:33 PM (X5jRy)

112 Barrack Hussein Obama is one pussy Trump won't grab.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at October 21, 2016 01:33 PM (zMjbQ)

113 Iran Seeking 'Many Billions of Dollars'

To: B@ whitehouse.gov
From: Peter Mbenga - Iranian Envoy

Greetings exalted friend ,

Forgive this horrific intrusion upon your privacy however the orginal payments that you made weer insufficient to conclude the business dealings with the bank in question. My employers are so close to completing this marvelous financial deal and we need your help to finish strongly.

In order to allow passage home to many other of your peoples we must request further funding for the transactional component of our exchange. Please be asured that an additonal few billion dollars will conclude our happy transaction and insure great amounts of freedom for the future and restore me as rightful heir to the throne of Zampopo.

I await your response.

Respectfully,

PM

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 21, 2016 01:33 PM (zu88C)

114 Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 21, 2016 01:31 PM (mBYZv) That's Reggie Love's Harbor to Mine

Posted by: Evilpens at October 21, 2016 01:33 PM (y3aQB)

115 76 Frankly, I'm amazed the Chinese haven't rolled into Taiwan yet.

Posted by: Chupacabra

Few Westerners realize that the Chinese Civil War, which started in 1927 (!!!) is STILL RAGING and has never come to and end, and by now is quickly nearing becoming the longest war of all time.

The Nationalist forces merely "strategically redeployed" to the Island of Formosa in the late '40s after the Communist forces seized Shanghai.

No one ever surrendered. There was never a peace treaty. There was never an Armistice. No one "won."

To this day, the Communist forces regard Formosa as a "breakaway province," while the Nationalist forces maintain that they are the legitimate government of all of mainland China, which is temporarily occupied by rebel troops.

It's amazing that the standoff has gone on this long with no resolution.

But make no mistake, the Communist government currently controlling mainland China is still currently AT WAR with the Nationalist government controlling Taiwan.

Posted by: zombie at October 21, 2016 01:33 PM (jBuUi)

116 Posted by: Vanceone

Well said.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 21, 2016 01:33 PM (326rv)

117 Why, it's almost as if he enjoys taking it up the rear ~~from Iran.~~

FIFY

Posted by: rickb223 at October 21, 2016 01:33 PM (I1MCJ)

118 >>>24 I might be completely wrong but I have been feeling more optimistic these last few days that Trump will win
Posted by: IC at October 21, 2016 01:15 PM (a0IVu)

Me, too. I was particularly heartened by how much Hillary! sounded like a little old hand-wringing lady unable to keep up with these newfangled things that we didn't have back when she was a girl and it's so unfair. Elderly. Roll back to the old days.

From the transcript: They have given that information to wikileaks for the purpose of putting it on the internet . . . We've never had anything like this happen in any of our elections before . . . I think this is such an unprecedented situation, we've never had a foreign government trying to interfere in our election . . . They are designed to influence our election. I find that deeply disturbing.

Posted by: m at October 21, 2016 01:34 PM (/4GEs)

119 Wait....You're telling me that rewarding bad behavior encourages more bad behavior?

I shan't believe that...

-
Me neither.

- Al Sharpton

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at October 21, 2016 01:34 PM (zMjbQ)

120 So, a city councilman in Roswell, GA got arrested for kiddie-didling. Was with a minor for three years, starting when she was 13. No surprise, no mention in the news stories that he's a Dim.

Posted by: Country Singer at October 21, 2016 01:34 PM (uiwCw)

121 Seriously, WTF would JEF do if the Chinese reasserted their rights to Taiwan? All that stimulus money's been going to them for years, and we sure as hell wouldn't stop buying their crap because we don't have the manufacturing capacity to do it ourselves.

Unless there's already been a wink/nod that it's theirs and already.

Posted by: Chupacabra at October 21, 2016 01:34 PM (CYqDc)

122 102 Why, it's almost as if he enjoys taking it up the rear from Iran.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 21, 2016 01:31 PM (mBYZv)

That's why he loves it when I call him The Iron Sheik

Posted by: Reggie Love at October 21, 2016 01:35 PM (DpOmP)

123 Also, if a US submarine lurking in the Strait of Formosa had an "equipment breakdown" wink, nod, on the radio, and decided "shoot, there's a shooting war with a US ally going on, why am I saving these torpedoes anyway?" and happened to join in... and promise to be very sorry later on when Barry calls him on the carpet... things wouldn't go well for China.

Posted by: Vanceone at October 21, 2016 01:35 PM (jngwH)

124 Do the Iranians want the ransom paid in Apple gift cards?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 21, 2016 01:32 PM (tf9Ne)

sigh. time to wipe the monitor again.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 21, 2016 01:35 PM (JO9+V)

125 Who has been kidnapped? If it's reporters, Iran is welcome to them.

++++

Article mentions a father and son, they are Iranian American, son is a businessman, father is80. Meh.

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at October 21, 2016 01:35 PM (ANs86)

126 You want: Scarlett Johansson BJ
You'll settle for: Madonna keeping her mouth shut
You'll get: Dick pics from Anthony Weiner

Posted by: Damiano at October 21, 2016 01:30 PM (71OEY)

Oh, that's awful... here, try this one:

You want Scarlett J. BJ.
You'll settle for Amy Shummer handjob.
You'll get a nude Lena Dunham sobbing about her childhood molestation.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 21, 2016 01:35 PM (TOk1P)

127 How will they spin it after they pay the ransomed?
How many.pallets of cash did the U.S. owe Iran after the fanatics deposed the Shah?

Posted by: Hank at October 21, 2016 01:36 PM (ewrK0)

128 And here the crazy black people thought 'Obama's stash' was going to go to them.

That's what an inner city government education will get you....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 21, 2016 01:36 PM (2L42J)

129 So, a city councilman in Roswell, GA got arrested
for kiddie-didling. Was with a minor for three years, starting when she
was 13. No surprise, no mention in the news stories that he's a Dim.

Posted by: Country Singer at October 21, 2016 01:34 PM (uiwCw)

has Ryan gotten around to saying that this diddler is honorable yet?

Posted by: the dude at October 21, 2016 01:36 PM (SyKbw)

130 Major DDoS attack knocks Twitter, Reddit, Spotify offline

https://tinyurl.com/zcaynj8

Posted by: Evilpens at October 21, 2016 01:37 PM (y3aQB)

131 You want Scarlett J. BJ.

You'll settle for Amy Shummer handjob.

You'll get a nude Lena Dunham sobbing about her childhood molestation.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 21, 2016 01:35 PM (TOk1P)

You want Scarlett J. BJ.

You'll settle for Amy Shummer handjob.
You get an Amy Shummer handjob....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 21, 2016 01:37 PM (2L42J)

132 >>.....I await your response.

Respectfully,
PM

P.S. DEATH TO AMERICA!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 21, 2016 01:37 PM (NOIQH)

133 No one could have possibly predicted this

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 21, 2016 01:38 PM (39g3+)

134 They have given that information to wikileaks for the purpose of putting it on the internet . . . We've never had anything like this happen in any of our elections before . . . I think this is such an unprecedented situation, we've never had a foreign government trying to interfere in our election . . . They are designed to influence our election. I find that deeply disturbing.
Posted by: m

What pisses me off about Trump is everytime she brings up the "Russian cyber attack" why not bring up how dangerous her home brew server was? If she really cared so much about this, why jeopardize our national security?

Just a pitch right down the middle and Trump never takes a swing at it.

Posted by: Maritime at October 21, 2016 01:38 PM (yge/E)

135 If you pay the Danegeld, you will never be rid of the Dane

Posted by: McCool at October 21, 2016 01:38 PM (zM9LG)

136 Iron Sheik loves America more than JEF does.

Posted by: Chupacabra at October 21, 2016 01:38 PM (CYqDc)

137 TRUMP WILL COME IN AND BREAK IRAN'S BACK. MAKE THEM HUMBLE. CAMEL CLUTCH, FUCK THEM IN ASS AND MAKE HUMBLE!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 21, 2016 01:39 PM (N2OZO)

138 What pisses me off about Trump is everytime she brings up the
"Russian cyber attack" why not bring up how dangerous her home brew
server was? If she really cared so much about this, why jeopardize our
national security?

Just a pitch right down the middle and Trump never takes a swing at it.
---
Agreed. Its such an easy shot to take. But its never taken.

Posted by: Revenant at October 21, 2016 01:39 PM (3DSAh)

139 Major DDoS attack knocks Twitter, Reddit, Spotify offline

https://tinyurl.com/zcaynj8

Posted by: Evilpens at October 21, 2016 01:37 PM (y3aQB)

CNBC just interviewed the US Chief Technology Officer (didn't know we had one). A rather butch looking thing with nothing of use to say

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 21, 2016 01:39 PM (493sH)

140 >>Why, it's almost as if he enjoys taking it up the rear from Iran

Drop the "from Iran" qualifier and you're spot-on.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 21, 2016 01:39 PM (NOIQH)

141 Posted by: BurtTC at October 21, 2016 01:35 PM (TOk1P)

You want Scarlett J. BJ.

You'll settle for Amy Shummer handjob.
You get an Amy Shummer handjob....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 21, 2016 01:37 PM (2L42J)

..... yes.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 21, 2016 01:40 PM (TOk1P)

142 @132
Barack? Is that you?

Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 21, 2016 01:40 PM (QtQaN)

143 70 Don't blame your computer. Take a look at what's on Drudge now. Not sure who's behind it yet though.

500 quatloos on Anonymous.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 21, 2016 01:25 PM (I1MCJ)

Betting it is self-inflicted. Trying to retaliate against Russia but attacked the wrong ip address.

Posted by: Drill Thrawl at October 21, 2016 01:40 PM (0Askb)

144 What pisses me off about Trump is everytime she brings up the
"Russian cyber attack" why not bring up how dangerous her home brew
server was? If she really cared so much about this, why jeopardize our
national security?

Just a pitch right down the middle and Trump never takes a swing at it.
---
Agreed. Its such an easy shot to take. But its never taken.
Posted by: Revenant

Or Healthcare.gov. That POS is ripe for a DOS.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 21, 2016 01:40 PM (326rv)

145 'We refugees... do not want to live in the same country with you. You can, and I think you should, leave Germany. And please take Saxony and the Alternative for Germany (AfD) with you... Why do you not go to another country? We are sick of you!' - Aras Bacho an 18-year-old Syrian migrant, in Der Freitag, October 2016.
----

Hillary 2016!

*kid is also a contributor to HuffPo

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at October 21, 2016 01:40 PM (ATVNj)

146 If you pay the Danegeld, you will never be rid of the Dane

Posted by: McCool at October 21, 2016 01:38 PM (zM9LG)

Hmmm, I like that. Is it new?

Posted by: BurtTC at October 21, 2016 01:41 PM (TOk1P)

147 A Donald Trump USA will offer Iran a few milliseconds of blinding white light and a sea of glass if the hostages are not released pronto. Savvy?

-
He does believe in punching back.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at October 21, 2016 01:41 PM (zMjbQ)

148 It's really fucking amazing what the Obama regime is getting away with with virtually no oppositional pushback.

I'm sure once the FAB is crowned they will find their balls and their voice.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 21, 2016 01:42 PM (vRI+7)

149 Dammit. Now I want some pizza rolls.

Posted by: Chupacabra at October 21, 2016 01:42 PM (CYqDc)

150 Quick! To the stray voltage machine!

Posted by: Barry Hussein at October 21, 2016 01:42 PM (QtQaN)

151 The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act of 1977 (FCPA)
(15 U.S.C. § 78dd-1, et seq.) is a United States federal law known
primarily for two of its main provisions, one that addresses accounting
transparency requirements under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 and another concerning bribery of foreign officials.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 21, 2016 01:43 PM (zu88C)

152 And Reagan was so horrible with his hot mic comment, 'Russia has been outlawed. We begin bombing in five minutes.' Ooooh the brute. The big bully. Meany McMeanypants.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 21, 2016 01:43 PM (JO9+V)

153 Hi

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 21, 2016 01:44 PM (O2RFr)

154 weird hearing a song from Ugly Duckling in a Bed Bath Beyond commercial

Posted by: the dude at October 21, 2016 01:44 PM (SyKbw)

155 Just a pitch right down the middle and Trump never takes a swing at it.
---
Agreed. Its such an easy shot to take. But its never taken.
Posted by: Revenant

It just sucks that no one in that camp is able to give Trump any direction. I will say though he did quite well in the last 2 debates, it's just maddening when most casual posters here could better swat down some of these attacks than the candidate who supposed to be prepping for hours on end.

Instead he talks about he's not friends with Putin or something when the whole Russian wikileaks connection is offered.

If anyone has something to answer for regarding cyber security, it's Hillary with the stunt she pulled.

Posted by: Maritime at October 21, 2016 01:44 PM (yge/E)

156 You fear a Russian/Chinese hacker invasion.
You are irritated by the Soros poll troll flood.
You're unsettled by the MUMR manic-frantic postings.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 21, 2016 01:44 PM (TOk1P)

157
93 We should expedite the delivery of the ransom money via cruise missile.
Posted by: Max Power at October 21, 2016 01:29 PM (q177U)

-----------

We need to wait until they get their new Boeing aircraft and then hit the airport.

Posted by: Soona at October 21, 2016 01:44 PM (Fmupd)

158 We've never had anything like this happen in any of our elections before . . . I think this is such an unprecedented situation, we've never had a foreign government trying to interfere in our election

++++

First, I don't believe it is the Russians. Biden visited Serbia right after the DNC convention - I'd imagine that hacking was discussed

Second, the USA interferes with elections in just about every country on earth so we've got no room to cry about it in that sense.

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at October 21, 2016 01:44 PM (ANs86)

159 Everything old is new again.

Posted by: Barbary Pirates at October 21, 2016 01:44 PM (i0ykY)

160 It's OK, everyonre.

Just think of Iranian terrorists as Social Justice Warriors, and it's all good...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 21, 2016 01:44 PM (wtvvX)

161 Just watched the video of the crooked sick old granny at the Al Smith dinner.

She's doing that "each eye looking in separate directions" thing all over the place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMqox-OlcOY&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at October 21, 2016 01:45 PM (WlGX+)

162 Hi

Just checking I got some weird thing when I tried to post.

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 21, 2016 01:45 PM (O2RFr)

163 I was completely misquoted.

I said that Barack "is down right at Man Country."

Posted by: Michelle Obama, Setting the Record Straight at October 21, 2016 01:45 PM (dYw0K)

164 Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 21, 2016 01:26 PM (h/uSM)

Hold all calls! We have a winner!

Buzzsaw90 has won the internet.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at October 21, 2016 01:45 PM (X+nFp)

165 146 If you pay the Danegeld, you will never be rid of the Dane

Posted by: McCool at October 21, 2016 01:38 PM (zM9LG)

Hmmm, I like that. Is it new?
Posted by: BurtTC at October 21, 2016 01:41 PM (TOk1P)

Not exactly.

Posted by: Rudyard Kipling at October 21, 2016 01:45 PM (VKZGb)

166 TAG IN MIKE PENCE. HE SUPLEX IRAN, BREAK BACK, CAMEL CLUTCH, THEN FUCK IRAN IN ASS AND MAKE HUMBLE!! TRUMP/PENCE CHAMPS NUMBER ONE!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 21, 2016 01:46 PM (N2OZO)

167 last time i looked, the PLAN didn't have the sea lift, or anything else you would need, to invade Taiwan...

and, unless something's changed, the PLAAF doesn't have the air drop capacity to try and get a bridgehead via air drop, even if they somehow managed to neutralize the Taiwan AF and ADA assets.

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 21, 2016 01:46 PM (LGcdt)

168 It just sucks that no one in that camp is able to give Trump any direction. I will say though he did quite well in the last 2 debates, it's just maddening when most casual posters here could better swat down some of these attacks than the candidate who supposed to be prepping for hours on end.

Instead he talks about he's not friends with Putin or something when the whole Russian wikileaks connection is offered.

If anyone has something to answer for regarding cyber security, it's Hillary with the stunt she pulled.
Posted by: Maritime

I agree, but do we think that Romney or McCain would do better?

hell, they could be out there right now saying all of this. They aren't. Jeb! flaked the fuck off. Her numbers are bad enough so that ALL of them could be running against her.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 21, 2016 01:47 PM (326rv)

169 Yeah, all the alt-right and conservative Twitter pages I access through my desktop p.c. (no smart-phone or Twitter account of my own) including a couple I accessed around 11:00 a.m. are all down now including non-East Coast ones.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 21, 2016 01:47 PM (FP3TD)

170 You want Scarlett J. BJ.

You'll settle for Amy Shummer handjob.
You get an Amy Shummer handjob....

---

Does that come with the Trump Shaming?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 21, 2016 01:47 PM (h/uSM)

171 Natural consequences? Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at October 21, 2016 01:48 PM (39g3+)

172 "NOTE: My computer is failing again. This time, I can't connect to the internet. Posting may be spotty."

It's a poor workman who blames his tools.

Posted by: Your Junior High English Teacher at October 21, 2016 01:48 PM (fYFz4)

173 Apparently, Ban Ki-Moon of UN fame has named Wonder Woman as an ambassador for female empowerment.

Of course, there is now heavy caterwauling about this within the UN because, among many things, she's white.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 21, 2016 01:48 PM (vg8iE)

174 And yet the likes of Will and Kristol are just fine with a Hillary admin.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 21, 2016 01:49 PM (kTF2Z)

175 Old saying when noticing the obvious. "No Shi% Dick Tracy".

Posted by: Buffalbob at October 21, 2016 01:49 PM (wYtsh)

176 156 It's really fucking amazing what the Obama regime is getting away with with virtually no oppositional pushback.
....

Oppositional pushback requires opposition.

You want: oppositional pushback
You'll settle for: A strongly worded letter
You'll get: Impeachment is off the table but we're going to send this goofy lawsuit over to some district court then go right back to rubber stamping everything and ceding congressional control of the debt limit

Posted by: Damiano at October 21, 2016 01:49 PM (71OEY)

177 Obama must have been a great father for a 4 year old.

Posted by: SH at October 21, 2016 01:49 PM (gmeXX)

178 It just sucks that no one in that camp is able to give Trump any direction. I will say though he did quite well in the last 2 debates, it's just maddening when most casual posters here could better swat down some of these attacks than the candidate who supposed to be prepping for hours on end.

The thing is, that's what we'd do, and we want to see the ultimate zinger thrown down.

But is that what works best with voters? Is that what the modern Idiocracy voter wants to see or hear, a factual beatdown? Trump has built an incredible campaign on doing what he does, and for whatever reason, it really seems to work. He's reaching people where they are in a way that Ted Cruz or my personal choice Scott Walker never could or did.

That's where we are as a country. Its not a political contest, its a reality show, and Trump is getting Clinton voted off the island.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 21, 2016 01:49 PM (39g3+)

179
44
4) A Pacific theater war between China and the Norks on one side vs South Korea and Japan on the other

18-1

Hate for the USN to try and do any carrier work in that conflict if the Philippines give basing rights to the Chinese. Reminds me of the Japanese dilemma when they planned their attack on the Dutch East Indies. Neutralize or mask the flank threat?

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at October 21, 2016 01:49 PM (FtrY1)

180 Guess my entendre in previous thread was a bit too subtle or I am as funny as Amy Schumer.

The Michelle Obama School for Horta Culture might have made it too obvious though.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 21, 2016 01:50 PM (7/ORs)

181 Posted by: Rudyard Kipling at October 21, 2016 01:45 PM (VKZGb)

Sadly, we don't see that many Rudyards anymore. Nobody names their kid, Rudyard. It's all Brandon and Justin and Ryan. Soft names for squishy, nail polish wearing boys.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 21, 2016 01:50 PM (TOk1P)

182 Posted by: Maritime at October 21, 2016 01:44 PM (yge/E)
--
Its alot harder being in the arena than it is watching or spectating. That said, I think that there is a limit to how much Trump can prepare for these things. He improved over time, but sitting down and memorizing information in order to use set-attack points just isn't his style, and when your his age, living the life that he led, changing his persona is somewhat limited.

Hillary is just an automaton, fed information by her staff to regurgitate it up on stage. She's far more a cypher with her plastic mask and machine-like staccato delivery. Aside from her evil ambition and will to power, there doesn't seem to be any personality there at all.

Its actually probably quite sad to be her, day in and day out. Still, she is not deserving of sympathy.

Posted by: Revenant at October 21, 2016 01:50 PM (3DSAh)

183 Obama's just paying the Jizya tax like he's supposed to to his Muslim

overlords. Tribute, danegeld, ransom--whatever you want to call it, just

payments to the ruler.

And Obama surrendered us to Iran without anyone noticing.
Think you may be right...and that is frightening. Posted by: Lizzy at October 21, 2016 01:29 PM (NOIQH)
=====

Zero interest rates -- interest-free loans to the Mideast. Paying our new overlords.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 21, 2016 01:50 PM (MIKMs)

184 @180 - No Kill I

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 21, 2016 01:50 PM (vg8iE)

185 Apparently, Ban Ki-Moon of UN fame has named Wonder Woman as an ambassador for female empowerment.

Whatever the hell that means. Apparently he thinks the comic book character is a real woman.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 21, 2016 01:50 PM (39g3+)

186 So...anyone in N. Virginia experiencing internet issues?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 21, 2016 01:51 PM (NOIQH)

187 hell, they could be out there right now saying all of this. They aren't.
Posted by: Blue Hen
=======

Exactly right.

The bastards in the royal palace and the scions of the various dynasties have abandoned the party's nominee while simultaneously lying to their constituents about not being part of the elitist establishment.

Ted Cruz cowboy'd up and got right back into the fight.

These are things that should be and will be remembered.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 21, 2016 01:51 PM (zu88C)

188 www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/scrotox-hollywoods-new -cosmetic-surgery-939455

for the lulz

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 21, 2016 01:52 PM (LGcdt)

189 Never fear! I'm all over this like stink on shit!ill have the kabuki theater all fired up by the end of next week.

Posted by: Jason Chaffetz at October 21, 2016 01:52 PM (kTF2Z)

190 About 600 UN parasites are objecting to such a well endowed fictional character who's costume has the US flag embodied in it to being selected as such.

Now why does the Useless Nitwits exist for in the first place?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 21, 2016 01:52 PM (7/ORs)

191 If you want to understand how O thinks, just find the most unrealistic, optimistic assumption and go with that: health care premiums will go down, Iran will moderate, Libya will democratize, spending will stimulate, etc etc.

Posted by: Your Majesty at October 21, 2016 01:53 PM (DmbNr)

192 >>Apparently, Ban Ki-Moon of UN fame has named Wonder Woman as an ambassador for female empowerment.

Idiotic, but is it that far from making Emma Watson a UN ambassador for gender equality? The UN is a joke - and Obama and Hillary want them to have more control over our country.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 21, 2016 01:53 PM (NOIQH)

193 @195 - And don't forget the white part.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 21, 2016 01:53 PM (vg8iE)

194 Is paying ransom wrong? Somebody should have told me.

Posted by: John Fvckin Kerry at October 21, 2016 01:53 PM (75WaT)

195 'We refugees... do not want to live in the same country with you. You can, and I think you should, leave Germany. And please take Saxony and the Alternative for Germany (AfD) with you... Why do you not go to another country? We are sick of you!' - Aras Bacho an 18-year-old Syrian migrant, in Der Freitag, October 2016.
----

If the German men cannot summon the courage to simply beat this kid to death, they don't deserve a country.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 21, 2016 01:53 PM (0F67M)

196 198
@195 - And don't forget the white part.

Posted by: bicentennialguy

====

shhhh don't tell the UN.

Wonder Women is Israeli!

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 21, 2016 01:54 PM (zu88C)

197 @200 - Let the little bastards come here and say it.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 21, 2016 01:55 PM (vg8iE)

198 Instead he talks about he's not friends with Putin or something when the whole Russian wikileaks connection is offered.

If anyone has something to answer for regarding cyber security, it's Hillary with the stunt she pulled.
Posted by: Maritime

I agree, but do we think that Romney or McCain would do better?

Posted by: Blue Hen

In terms of properly prepping for a debate, yes, even though I loathe both of those figures.

At the same time, they would be scared shitless about sounding "mean" to a frail sweet woman like Hillary.

It's like we finally found a figure willing to take the gloves off but he won't do the homework.

Supposedly Roger Ailes was helping him with debate prep for the 2nd debate but left because Trump refused to take direction.

Debates aren't everything, ask President John Kerry, but I do feel like Trump should have made better use of that time with some more prep, particularly the first one. He has a lifetime of being a celebrity on TV with the #1 show on NBC, he should have smoked Hillary at every one of them.

Posted by: Maritime at October 21, 2016 01:55 PM (yge/E)

199 186 So...anyone in N. Virginia experiencing internet issues?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 21, 2016 01:51 PM (NOIQH

I'm in DC and no. Will check NoVA when I go home.

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at October 21, 2016 01:55 PM (/D5Lf)

200 If the German men cannot summon the courage to simply beat this kid to death, they don't deserve a country.

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NATO ma have been too succesful in keeping the Germans down.

Posted by: SH at October 21, 2016 01:55 PM (gmeXX)

201 If the German men cannot summon the courage to simply beat this kid to death, they don't deserve a country.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 21, 2016 01:53 PM (0F67M)

soon....very soon...

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 21, 2016 01:56 PM (2L42J)

202 If this internet outage prevents me from watching Alabama vs Texas A&M tomorrow, someone will pay. Oh, yes they will.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 21, 2016 01:57 PM (fYFz4)

203 The UN needs to be kicked to the curb.

Posted by: IC at October 21, 2016 01:57 PM (a0IVu)

204 Trump isn't the ideal candidate, but he's willing to fight, reaches the regular guy on his bar stool, and is the anti-PC. I think that appeals to people tremendously while simultaneously shocking and appalling them at times. Its like listening to a Sam Kinison set.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 21, 2016 01:57 PM (39g3+)

205
47
Iran: Dr Evil

obama: Austin Powerless

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 21, 2016 01:21 PM (WE5/U)

Iran: Toothless hillbilly

Obama: Ned Beatty

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 21, 2016 01:57 PM (XWkhW)

206 Relax.

Pornhub is still up.

Posted by: garrett at October 21, 2016 01:58 PM (i3c+H)

207 207
If this internet outage prevents me from watching Alabama vs Texas AM tomorrow, someone will pay. Oh, yes they will.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 21, 2016 01:57 PM (fYFz4)
Heh. Even Obama is not stupid enough to get SEC country pissed at him.

Posted by: IC at October 21, 2016 01:58 PM (a0IVu)

208 You have all been willowed

gnu'd

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 21, 2016 01:58 PM (zu88C)

209 The Marines at Tripoli could never foresee the day that a black man would be President and pay billions for ransom.

Posted by: UnPrecedented at October 21, 2016 01:58 PM (mcHvA)

210 The thing is, that's what we'd do, and we want to see the ultimate zinger thrown down.

But is that what works best with voters? Is that what the modern Idiocracy voter wants to see or hear, a factual beatdown?

Yes. When I was listening to the last debate, I heard him using simple language such as: Putin is smarter than you (HRC); and Crooked Hillary is all talk no action...
I realized he'd dumbed down his speech to appeal to the average voter. This is the man who made millions off a two word tagline - You're Fired! -. I think he knows how to appeal to the masses.

Posted by: kallisto at October 21, 2016 01:59 PM (nNdYv)

211 "Trump isn't the ideal candidate"

Exactly why isn't he teh "ideal candidate" ???

What is the ideal candidate? When have we ever had one of those? Who in your opinion, would be the ideal candidate?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at October 21, 2016 01:59 PM (d76uN)

212 How to respond to hostage takers:

Give the hostages up for dead.

Immediately bend every effort to kill the hostage takers, with a hugely disproportionate response, wherever and whoever they are.

Bend every effort to frustrate the desires and destroy the possessions of the hostage takers, be careful only not to be drawn in by a 'false flag' operation.

If so, same treatment to the 'false flaggers'.

Gotta be cold to do it - but you shouldn't have to do it often.

Posted by: Parker at October 21, 2016 01:59 PM (h/LNN)

213 See no ads for shebeast or Trump on the TV. We live south of Tampa. Thought Florida was supposed to a close race. Hillery knows not to waste money on state because of her vote rigging? What is going on here?

Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at October 21, 2016 02:00 PM (75WaT)

214 211 Relax.

Pornhub is still up.
Posted by: garrett at October 21, 2016 01:58 PM (i3c+H)

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Oh, thank God! Err, I mean I'm sure that makes some people, who are not me, happy.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 21, 2016 02:00 PM (kTF2Z)

215 What is the ideal candidate? When have we ever had one of those? Who in your opinion, would be the ideal candidate?

I think when he ran in 1980 and 84, Reagan was the ideal candidate. He was always ready, always likeable, always connected with voters, and always knew what he was talking about, controlling the debate. That approach wouldn't work as well today, but for the time: ideal.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 21, 2016 02:00 PM (39g3+)

216 At some point, we have to be willing to sacrifice some pawns to achieve the greater good. Sure,it's easy for me to say, but that doesn't make it untrue. Besides, if the Iranians have you, it's likely you were somewhere you shouldn't have been.

Take out their IG buildings, then say "any questions?"

But that's the old America.

Posted by: Pep at October 21, 2016 02:01 PM (SRWUz)

217 But the Iranians were so nice in the early 70's when I grew up there

Posted by: Valerie Jarrett at October 21, 2016 02:02 PM (DpOmP)

218 >>I'm in DC and no. Will check NoVA when I go home.

Thanks!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 21, 2016 02:03 PM (NOIQH)

219 current DDOS map
http://tinyurl.com/jcg9bl3

Posted by: the dude at October 21, 2016 02:05 PM (SyKbw)

220
206 Relax.

Pornhub is still up.

Posted by: garrett at October 21, 2016 01:58 PM (i3c+H)

Oh, thank goodness.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 21, 2016 02:05 PM (XWkhW)

221 And yet even the Great One could not slow the tide of progressiveism much could he?

Why else would he have allowed ghwb to be foisted off on him, with disastrous consequences later. Why else would he have made any deals with tip oneal without getting what he wanted beforehand?

The ideal candidate maybe? But when it came time to putting the ideals into effect, something was lacking.

No?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at October 21, 2016 02:06 PM (d76uN)

222 The Marines at Tripoli could never foresee the day that a ~~black man would be~~ President and pay billions for ransom.

Posted by: UnPrecedented at October 21, 2016 01:58 PM (mcHvA)

FIFY... asshat

Posted by: Barbary Pirates at October 21, 2016 02:06 PM (i0ykY)

223 You'll settle for Amy Shummer handjob.
You get an Amy Shummer handjob....

This is so hurtful

Posted by: Michelle Fields at October 21, 2016 02:08 PM (X5jRy)

224 On the plus side, I'm not having any issues accessing the internet here in Baltimore.

On the minus side, I'm in Baltimore.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 21, 2016 02:09 PM (KUaJL)

225 "On the minus side, I'm in Baltimore."

All things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia.

Posted by: WC Fields at October 21, 2016 02:11 PM (fYFz4)

226 223 The Marines at Tripoli could never foresee the day that a black man would be President and pay billions for ransom.

Posted by: UnPrecedented at October 21, 2016 01:58 PM (mcHvA)

FIFY... asshat
Posted by: Barbary Pirates at October 21, 2016 02:06 PM (i0ykY)

In fairness, wasn't it a prominent liberal who was gushing words like "I could never foresee the day that a black man would be President....."?

I took UnPrecedented's comment as snark.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 21, 2016 02:14 PM (ujg0T)

227 Last I heard, the female American chess champion has already declined because she would have been forced to wear a hijab.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 21, 2016 01:15 PM (NOIQH)

Well, chess players are known for being able to plan a few moves ahead. I'm sure if not the hijab, she'd have found another reason to avoid being a high-profile American female in a fundamental Muslim country being paid $bils for hostages.

Posted by: moronhorde minion at October 21, 2016 02:18 PM (hKDRi)

228 201 If the German men cannot summon the courage to simply beat this kid to death, they don't deserve a country.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 21, 2016 01:53 PM (0F67M)

soon....very soon...
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 21, 2016 01:56 PM (2L42J)

At some point, the Statute Of Limitations on WW2 will expire. It has been 71 years now.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 21, 2016 02:22 PM (ujg0T)

229 FUCK OBAMA!

Posted by: R. DUKE at October 21, 2016 02:22 PM (ONH2e)

230 I am of largely German descent with some Native American and Irish thrown in. There have been a few (thankfully isolated) instances where I have been seized with an unreasoningbeserker rageand felt an overwhelming desire to invade Franceby way ofBeligium and just in general smash and break everything around me.

I figure it's the German side seeking expression.

Posted by: troyriser at October 21, 2016 02:35 PM (cCEFD)

231 Billions for tribute, not a cent for defense!

Posted by: Deplorable GGE at October 21, 2016 04:39 PM (vbvxt)

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