Trump Declares, Basically, the Start of the #NeverRyan Movement

Good.

We are having an important argument: Who are the rulers, and who are the ruled?

In a democracy, the voters are supposed to be the rulers.

But people like Ryan think that they themselves are the rulers, and must manipulate the opinions of proletarian trash to trick them into voting for the 'right thing" (in Ryan's case, he defines the right things as whatever the Chamber of Commerce demands of him).

So let's resolve this.

Vote for Ryan's Democratic opponent, whoever that is. Boot him out of Congress, and badly damage any hopes he has to be president anytime soon.

Posted by: Ace at 01:34 PM

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1 I would if I could, but I'm in VA.

Posted by: Miley's Deplorables at October 11, 2016 01:35 PM (L2UGl)

2 Ahhh, you're awake.

Posted by: HH at October 11, 2016 01:35 PM (DrCtv)

3 Top 10?

Posted by: Loren T. Mofo at October 11, 2016 01:35 PM (PbH71)

4 I-I-I-I-I am everyday people.

Posted by: Hillary and the family Stone at October 11, 2016 01:36 PM (IqV8l)

5 Stomped!

Posted by: andycanuck at October 11, 2016 01:36 PM (LdMbv)

6 Stomped!
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Ryan too and not just CBD.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 11, 2016 01:37 PM (LdMbv)

7 I'm on board.

Posted by: sunny-dee at October 11, 2016 01:37 PM (QAOZh)

8 Make him a lobbyist, he'll hate that.

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2016 01:37 PM (J82wy)

9 wondering if I should buy some popcorn

From Twitter

James O' Keefe

We will start raising the stakes, If hidden camera sex talk is fair game, then let's play inside Hillary Clinton campaign tomorrow.

Posted by: spypeach at October 11, 2016 01:37 PM (nyYhO)

10 Wait...there is discord within the GOPe?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 11, 2016 01:37 PM (J+eG2)

11 Pushed down like a fat kid at recess.

Posted by: joncelli, Providing the Traditional Responses at October 11, 2016 01:37 PM (RD7QR)

12 I don't see anything being fixed until the government checks start bouncing. Too many people, including voters, are too dependent.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2016 01:37 PM (7ZVPa)

13 First? How weird was that!

I just responded to Rinsed Penis, who wanted to know if I was voting to Trump in November. He also wanted my thoughts. I said that I would NOT be voting for holier-than-thou Barbara Comstock, who is too pure for the filthy work of politics, and that I would be registering as an independent, since the GOPes no longer reflect my interests.

He then asked me to make a donation, so I closed that browser window.

Posted by: Miley's Deplorables at October 11, 2016 01:37 PM (L2UGl)

14 Damn, may actually have to give money to a Democrat.

Well worth it in this case.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 11, 2016 01:37 PM (Idu2i)

15 Hi, ace!

Yup. Let's have this discussion openly.

Of course, I am pretty much convinced that my side, aka I am a citizen not a subject, will lose but let's get this show on the road.

Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 11, 2016 01:38 PM (mf5HN)

16 bizzaro world

Posted by: concrete girl at October 11, 2016 01:38 PM (CcPfg)

17 How likely is his D opponent to win? Who is she/he/zer? Does that include fundraising for those out of state? Could wind up on some really weird email lists.

Posted by: countrydoc at October 11, 2016 01:38 PM (QP15r)

18 Paul Ryan's Mish Hardest Hit

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2016 01:38 PM (J82wy)

19 Trump Declares, Basically, the Start of the #NeverRyan Movement

It's about time. Trump laid a few jabs in during the debate. Glad to see that he's taken the gloves off, now.

Ryan, and everyone who voted for him to be Speaker, are the enemies of conservatives and anyone who loves America.

Personally, I've detested that little twerp since he came out with his pathetic budget back in 2011, or whenever it was. What a joke that was. I could never figure out why so many were lauding it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 11, 2016 01:39 PM (zc3Db)

20 there's another candidate running as a "trump conservative" that you can vote for

Posted by: Bob at October 11, 2016 01:39 PM (M5y6l)

21 Oh, and Ryan is just doing the bidding of the donors. Donors say we'll have no more of this vulgar Trump; Ryan bows and scrapes. Like master and servant.

Posted by: joncelli, Providing the Traditional Responses at October 11, 2016 01:39 PM (RD7QR)

22 Oh, man, if Trump wins but the R's lose the House, popcorn time.

If Trump wins and the R's keep the House, popcorn time, but for different reasons.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 11, 2016 01:39 PM (u0s1P)

23 GRAB PUSSY RYAN!

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 11, 2016 01:39 PM (Om16U)

24 No, you're right - - let's tie this anchor around our necks so we lose everything we have--that'll teach Hillary!

How is this different than what the GOP did in 96 when it was clear Dole was going to lose badly?

Posted by: Jackson6644 at October 11, 2016 01:39 PM (B1krV)

25 If Trump ends up winning, I think we'll see a realignment of the national parties. It's becoming too drastic to avoid. Clearly most of the elected class right now is either Democrat or wishes they were. I hope that Trump offers a new party for the working middle/lower class. That's a party that I can get behind, even if it's not perfect for my small "L" libertarian ideals.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 11, 2016 01:40 PM (KUaJL)

26 I would if I could, but I'm in VA."

Don't care, I'm in Texas.

*grabs popcorn*

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 01:40 PM (C9pBZ)

27 I've pretty much decided to vote for the Democrat against John McCain, or if there is a 3rd party, I would rather do that so people know WHY the Democrat won.

But if I lived in Ryan's district, absolutely ZERO question I would be voting against him.

I really think a PAC needs to form where they basically run a conservative 3rd party in Republican districts for shit stains like Ryan just to throw the election.

Posted by: Maritime at October 11, 2016 01:40 PM (AQit7)

28 12 I don't see anything being fixed until the government checks start bouncing. Too many people, including voters, are too dependent.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2016 01:37 PM (7ZVPa)

When the checks bounce (and the EBT cards run dry) the riots start. It's sad but it's true and it's time we wrapped our heads around that.

Posted by: joncelli, Providing the Traditional Responses at October 11, 2016 01:40 PM (RD7QR)

29 Allahpundit is a joke.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 11, 2016 01:40 PM (97XyN)

30 Omg, Ace! Are you being serious? You're going to do what you are upset about the NeverTrumpers for doing? Lol! All this for a guy who supported Hillary 7 years ago and was a liberal Democrat his ENTIRE life until a year ago? So, you decide the best thing to do is to destroy the entire party because they don't want to go down with the ship. What an inconsistent hypocrite you've become.

Posted by: rexbatt at October 11, 2016 01:41 PM (woA40)

31 I'm really an advocate of Vote Incumbents Out.
Unfortunately I don't think the Republic has enough time to do that and teach the necessary lessons before it all come tumbling down.
Still...one hopes, and prepares anyway.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 11, 2016 01:41 PM (0tfLf)

32 I'm in for defeating Ryan. A RAT's death ( political death) is exactly what he deserves

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 01:41 PM (zp+j1)

33 After Hillery packs the Sup Ct with people who will allow the gov't to regulate political speech and the newly invigorated IRS doubles down its attacks on conservatives, I am sure that someone like Ryan will have no problem taking back Congress and the White House in 2120.

jerk. his idea of leadership is mostly to say, no don't go there the media won't like us.

Posted by: mallflower Rodham Clinton at October 11, 2016 01:41 PM (TWEt2)

34 Has Alladipshit officially come out of the closet as a dem troll yet? If not, why not?

Posted by: doc at October 11, 2016 01:41 PM (0pYNo)

35 When the checks bounce (and the EBT cards run dry) the riots start.

Posted by: joncelli, Providing the Traditional Responses at October 11, 2016 01:40 PM (RD7QR)

You mean they don't stop for intermissions, like they do now.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 11, 2016 01:41 PM (zc3Db)

36 Personally, I've detested that little twerp since he came out with his pathetic budget back in 2011, or whenever it was. What a joke that was. I could never figure out why so many were lauding it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 11, 2016 01:39 PM (zc3Db)

Because it "only" raised the Federal debt to $21 billion vs. Obama's $23 billion over 10 years!!!!!

What a hero!!!

Do I really need a snark tag?

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 11, 2016 01:41 PM (Idu2i)

37 Ryan bows and scrapes
Pussy bows?

Posted by: andycanuck at October 11, 2016 01:41 PM (LdMbv)

38 I could never figure out why so many were lauding it."

Well, it was a pretty major change from the early days of Teh Won, but that's about it.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 01:41 PM (C9pBZ)

39 He also wanted my thoughts. I said that I would NOT be voting for holier-than-thou Barbara Comstock, who is too pure for the filthy work of politics, and that I would be registering as an independent, since the GOPes no longer reflect my interests.

You and I are in the same district in NoVa. I thought Barbara Comstock was not too bad, so I would like to hear why you think she isn't a good representative. I'm not being mean/nasty-I really want to know.

Posted by: Moki at October 11, 2016 01:42 PM (VnCI9)

40 Allahpundit really is a deluded RINO fucktard.

Posted by: The Deuce at October 11, 2016 01:42 PM (oDCMR)

41 I don't see anything being fixed until the government checks start bouncing. Too many people, including voters, are too dependent.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2016 01:37 PM (7ZVPa)

When the checks bounce (and the EBT cards run dry) the riots start. It's sad but it's true and it's time we wrapped our heads around that.
Posted by: joncelli, Providing the Traditional Responses at October 11, 2016 01:40 PM (RD7QR)

Agree. If we don't fix things before then, it'll be less "fixing" and more "rebuilding."

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 11, 2016 01:42 PM (KUaJL)

42 Personally, I've detested that little twerp since he came out with his pathetic budget back in 2011, or whenever it was. What a joke that was. I could never figure out why so many were lauding it.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair

Even Trump from the get go said it was stupid.

Paul Ryan's response to Obama and his crazy spending? Let's change MediCare!! That's a winner!!

How about we start with the Obama Phones?

Posted by: Maritime at October 11, 2016 01:42 PM (AQit7)

43 I would if I could, but I'm in VA.
Posted by: Miley's Deplorables

If we're gonna vote for a dem, let's vote LIKE they do. That means EVERYBODY casts a vote.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 11, 2016 01:42 PM (326rv)

44 Trump is fighting a three-front war. If he does pull this off it will be one to be studied.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Support the Arts! Do the Monster Mish at the Outrage Outlet! at October 11, 2016 01:42 PM (hLRSq)

45 My aunt and uncle live in his district, and I think all their kids are old enough to vote now. Maybe I should give them a nudge, if they haven't decided to ditch Ryan already.

Posted by: pookysgirl at October 11, 2016 01:42 PM (ar2KI)

46 Vote for Ryan's Democratic opponent, whoever that is. Boot him out of Congress, and badly damage any hopes he has to be president anytime soon

So we're talking about the future of the Republican Party. It's a contest between Ryanism and Trumpism?

Assuming Trump loses, which is a fair bet, is there a thing called Trumpism that lasts without Trump? Is that a good thing?

Based on what?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 11, 2016 01:42 PM (mgbwf)

47 Oh, man, if Trump wins but the R's lose the House, popcorn time.

If Trump wins and the R's keep the House, popcorn time, but for different reasons.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 11, 2016 01:39 PM (u0s1P)

If the RINO's lose the House, how would it be any different than if they keep the House?

War either way.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 11, 2016 01:42 PM (Idu2i)

48 Just my opinion, and I'm doing it as often as I can - every tweet where Ryan is mentioned in my timeline, but I'm trying to show Ryan all the love I can by calling him out as the horses ass that he is in every tweet.

I recommend it.

It's cathartic.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 01:42 PM (4ng05)

49 From Twitter

James O' Keefe

We will start raising the stakes, If hidden camera sex talk is fair
game, then let's play inside Hillary Clinton campaign tomorrow.

Posted by: spypeach at October 11, 2016 01:37 PM (nyYhO)

Oooooh, this might be Caramel popcorn time.

Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a depolorable at October 11, 2016 01:43 PM (Enq6K)

50 29 Allahpundit is a joke.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 11, 2016 01:40 PM (97XyN)
===

A beta male if there ever was one.

Posted by: Independent George at October 11, 2016 01:43 PM (BDZWU)

51 Hmm, since I'm out of state should I donate to his opponent..... What do y'all think?

Posted by: Draki at October 11, 2016 01:43 PM (v5KhB)

52 The likes of Ryan think that Trump is a "barbarian," which came from the Latin "indomitus" which actually meant "without a master" hence wild and untamed.

It scares the shit out of them, that if elected Trump is unanswerable except to public opinion, and then only on a good day.

But I trust Trump to be patriotic, and will more or less pointed in the right direction.

Hillary, not so much ...

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 11, 2016 01:43 PM (r1fLd)

53 Don't forget that the little weasel voted for TARP.

I mean, sure, a lot of people did, but it's a fun thing to point out.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 11, 2016 01:43 PM (u0s1P)

54 I like the idea of keeping him around just to fuck with him.

Someone has to wear the clown suit at the republican unity dinner. Someone needs to wash the presidential limo. Someone's wife needs to be fucked by the new president.

Posted by: jwest at October 11, 2016 01:43 PM (Zs4uk)

55 So, you decide the best thing to do is to destroy the entire party because they don't want to go down with the ship.

Posted by: rexbatt at October 11, 2016 01:41 PM (woA40)

The Vichy GOP are traitors who have been stabbing Americans in the back and in the face since the Tea Party gave them back Vongress in 2011. They are less than useless. Ryan, and the rest of the Vichy GOP in Congress, gave Barky more money and for a longer period than even Pelousi would have in the same situation.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 11, 2016 01:43 PM (zc3Db)

56 50
29 Allahpundit is a joke.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 11, 2016 01:40 PM (97XyN)

===

A beta male if there ever was one.

And apparently proud of it. I despise that guy, and left Hot Gas a long, long time ago. When they banned the "r" word (revolution).

Posted by: Miley's Deplorables at October 11, 2016 01:44 PM (L2UGl)

57 Secede? Hell, y'all are lucky we don't invade.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at October 11, 2016 01:44 PM (pSC+p)

58 Of course, I am pretty much convinced that my side, aka I am a citizen not a subject, will lose but let's get this show on the road.

Waiting for it to go "hot".
In the mean time, I won't quit voting and I'd slit my wrists before I ever vote "D", but what I'll do is vote against the the "R" incumbent. Every. Single. Time.

They want to play games? Game on!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 11, 2016 01:44 PM (EMrMF)

59 As much of a buffoon Trump has been, his flushing out of the Vichy GOP, cuckservatives, sellouts, call them what you will, has been a great service.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 11, 2016 01:44 PM (ujg0T)

60 So we're talking about the future of the Republican Party. It's a contest between Ryanism and Trumpism?

Assuming Trump loses, which is a fair bet, is there a thing called Trumpism that lasts without Trump? Is that a good thing?

Based on what?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 11, 2016 01:42 PM (mgbwf)

I think we are talking about the END of the republican party. It will splinter. What comes after remains to be seen. But there are hard feelings all around. I can only speak for me, but I will never support any of the RATs ever never agian

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 01:45 PM (zp+j1)

61 But people like Ryan think that they themselves are the rulers"

FWIW, this should supplant HLM's quote at the top of the page from time to time.

I'm a bit surprised (ok, frustrated) that so many don't really realize how they're viewed by the DC (and yes, I include MD, NoVa, etc) crowd.
They really, really, really despise us out here in the hinterlands.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 01:45 PM (C9pBZ)

62 James O' Keefe

We will start raising the stakes, If hidden camera sex talk is fair
game, then let's play inside Hillary Clinton campaign tomorrow.

Posted by: spypeach at October 11, 2016 01:37 PM (nyYhO)

Oooooh, this might be Caramel popcorn time.
Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a depolorable at October 11, 2016 01:43 PM (Enq6K)

Holy Crap!! No Marquess of Queensbury rules here!!!

Posted by: Moki at October 11, 2016 01:45 PM (VnCI9)

63 James O' Keefe

We will start raising the stakes, If hidden camera sex talk is fair
game, then let's play inside Hillary Clinton campaign tomorrow.

Posted by: spypeach at October 11, 2016 01:37 PM (nyYhO)

Pretty please? We've been goodish.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 11, 2016 01:45 PM (KUaJL)

64 He also wanted my thoughts. I said that I would NOT be voting for holier-than-thou Barbara Comstock, who is too pure for the filthy work of politics, and that I would be registering as an independent, since the GOPes no longer reflect my interests.

You and I are in the same district in NoVa. I thought Barbara Comstock was not too bad, so I would like to hear why you think she isn't a good representative. I'm not being mean/nasty-I really want to know.

Posted by: Moki at October 11, 2016 01:42 PM (VnCI9)
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I'm curious too - and also not snarky. I live across the street from that district (used to be in the district, until the redistricting following the 2000 census) and the people I know in that district actually like her.

I have to run to pick up my son but I will check back when I can.

Posted by: bluebell at October 11, 2016 01:45 PM (uHcnA)

65 Trump has become a personality cult.
We must now spend our energy swearing loyalty to him and attacking the GOP instead of Hillary. Brilliant move in the last month of the election.
The hurt ego of the Orange God King must be satisfied.
This whole thing has really stopped being about stopping Hillary.

Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:45 PM (3CRoX)

66 Because it "only" raised the Federal debt to $21 billion vs. Obama's $23 billion over 10 years!!!!!

What a hero!!!

Do I really need a snark tag?

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 11, 2016 01:41 PM (Idu2i)

Ooops sorry I meant trillion.

Can't type when I'm pissed off.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 11, 2016 01:45 PM (Idu2i)

67 >>A beta male if there ever was one.

Beta Males take his lunch money and give him wedgies.

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2016 01:45 PM (J82wy)

68 Oooooh, this might be Caramel popcorn time.

CrackerJack time!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 11, 2016 01:45 PM (EMrMF)

69 >>>How is this different than what the GOP did in 96 when it was clear Dole was going to lose badly?

Bob Dole got to enjoy Bob Dole's retirement with a lifetime supply of viagra. Many pussies learned what it was like to be grabbed that day, let Bob Dole tell you.

Posted by: Bob Dole at October 11, 2016 01:46 PM (XfAv1)

70 Yes Trump is the nominee and should be fully supported but in no way should he be the leader of a new movement should he not be elected IMHO.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 11, 2016 01:46 PM (LgxQn)

71 Ann "Boehner Boner-Eater" Wagner is my Congresscritter.

She's now safely on the Paul Ryno Express, so let's look at her Democrat opponent: Hmmm, typical liberal douchebag.

Looks like we have a Dope-Smoker Party candidate on the ballot as well.

Think I'll just vote Vermin Supreme on this one.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 11, 2016 01:46 PM (TOk1P)

72 So we're talking about the future of the Republican Party. It's a contest between Ryanism and Trumpism?

Assuming Trump loses, which is a fair bet, is there a thing called Trumpism that lasts without Trump? Is that a good thing?

Based on what?
Posted by: Bandersnatch

The sitting Speaker of the House is actively torpedoing the Republican nominee in order to get Hillary to win.

At some point, it's not about ideology, it's just taking out a traitor.

Posted by: Maritime at October 11, 2016 01:46 PM (AQit7)

73 No Marquess of Queensbury rules here!!!

Oh, thank you for getting that right. "Marquis of Queensbury" is one of my pet peeves.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 11, 2016 01:46 PM (mgbwf)

74 We must now spend our energy swearing loyalty to him and attacking the GOP instead of Hillary. Brilliant move in the last month of the election.
The hurt ego of the Orange God King must be satisfied.
This whole thing has really stopped being about stopping Hillary.

Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:45 PM (3CRoX)

Sorrry you got that backwards...they attacked him and undermined him.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 01:46 PM (zp+j1)

75 Is it possible that Ryan has looked at polls and decided that Trump will lose in November and that it is best to salvage a GOP House to oppose (however ineffectively) Clinton? Or does everything have to fit this narrative of Establishment Elites versus Ordinary Folks?

We're seriously going to jettison one of the few serious architects of practical, politically possible entitlement reform over this candidacy?

Partisan national politics aren't ultimately going to be the answer to our ongoing national disintegration, but this seems....extreme.

Possibly it doesn't really even matter. We're at the cusp of the Burning Times anyway.

Posted by: Fred at October 11, 2016 01:46 PM (eRsMQ)

76 So, you decide the best thing to do is to destroy the entire party because they don't want to go down with the ship. What an inconsistent hypocrite you've become.
Posted by: rexbatt at October 11, 2016 01:41 PM (woA40)

Gotta say I'm with Ace on this. Not only to I hope the party is destroyed, I plan on supporting its destruction at every opening.

To think they haven't been part of the plan to "conspire to produce an unaware and compliant electorate," is, in my opinion, voluntarily choosing to live with ones head planted in ones ass.

Present company excepted. Obviously.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 01:46 PM (4ng05)

77 Serious q: Do you envision a scenario where Trump wins but essentially governs as a conventional (or even more liberal than usual) Republican, where The Wall and deportations turn out to be slightly additional security and kicking out a handful of obviously bad people?

I could def. see dude doing a couple symbolic things and immediately declaring things just fantastic and done with. In that case he would've still shifted the discourse, but not necessarily policy all that much.

Posted by: Talk at October 11, 2016 01:47 PM (u6E7Q)

78 Hmm, since I'm out of state should I donate to his opponent..... What do y'all think?

Posted by: Draki at October 11, 2016 01:43 PM (v5KhB)

I'm in Texas. I may do it.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 11, 2016 01:47 PM (Idu2i)

79 If it's a choice between stopping Hillary and firing the Establishment goons-- either way, we win.

Doing both would, of course, be ideal.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 11, 2016 01:47 PM (u0s1P)

80 "If we're gonna vote for a dem, let's vote LIKE they do. That means EVERYBODY casts a vote."

Let me grab my pants

Posted by: Zombe Ronald Reagan at October 11, 2016 01:47 PM (J+eG2)

81 At some point, it's not about ideology, it's just taking out a traitor.
Posted by: Maritime at October 11, 2016 01:46 PM (AQit7)

yup

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 01:47 PM (zp+j1)

82 Stupid Ryan is done...gope mascot...another loser

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2016 01:47 PM (ZIx/C)

83 if Trump becomes Pres but the Dems control Congress, the MSM will at the first opportunity do an about face and start blaming the Pres if the gov't shuts down.
They'd probably also start calling for a special prosecutor at the first conceivable opportunity.

Posted by: mallflower Rodham Clinton at October 11, 2016 01:47 PM (TWEt2)

84 I'm not voting for McConnell's Young in Indiana, but I haven't committed to voting for,,,, Bayh at this point,,, yet.

Posted by: Cooldawg at October 11, 2016 01:47 PM (LO5Qy)

85 Bernie supporters may not be bright or savvy, but the blinders might have come off for them. Once they start seeing democrat perfidious gate-keeping, they may spot it more quickly at any point for the rest of their lives.

Or they're just chumps, who knows. Both parties have necessary reforms in progress, and the GOP is just further ahead. America is not well served with one and a half parties, so I hope we can make it happen.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 11, 2016 01:48 PM (VdICR)

86 "I despise that guy, and left Hot Gas a long, long time ago."

There's actually a website called Hot Gas being run by Hot Air refugees. Its actually pretty good.

Posted by: countrydoc at October 11, 2016 01:48 PM (QP15r)

87 This Trump guy comes with many fringe benefits.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 11, 2016 01:48 PM (B9Zoe)

88 I like this. The GOP is the enemy.

Posted by: deplorable shillelagh at October 11, 2016 01:48 PM (L3vVL)

89 Paul Ryan used to represent one of the pillars of what we used to call Conservatism.

But the Big Business Chamber of Commerce crowd no longer give a rat's ass about your typical American as Big Business Chamber of Commerce wants Free Trade / Open Borders, and are now aligned with elements of Big Gov and increasingly with the Cultural Left. Add in MSM and Academia melding into this and you have The Borg.

This is more aligned with what Hillary wants than anything that we used to call Conservative.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 11, 2016 01:48 PM (r1fLd)

90 So, you decide the best thing to do is to destroy the entire party because they don't want to go down with the ship.

It's touching that you believe the ones jumping ship have such principled motives. They just dont want to be embarrased by a STUPID kerfluffle that is still NOTHING compared to what Hillary and her husband have done.

Trump a latecomer to the GOP? He is still more honest than "Republicans" who have sold us out and proven to be nothing more than go-along-to-get-along RINOs. Yes, big buffoon Trump is better than more than a few GOP House and Senate members. That's how bad the GOP has become.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 11, 2016 01:48 PM (ujg0T)

91 why is Drudge pimping the Clinton son story again?

Posted by: spypeach at October 11, 2016 01:48 PM (nyYhO)

92 We must now spend our energy swearing loyalty to ~~him~~ the GOP and attacking ~~the GOP~~ Trump instead of Hillary. Brilliant move in the last ~~month~~ 9 months of the election.
Fixed!

Posted by: the GOPe at October 11, 2016 01:49 PM (LdMbv)

93 I think we are talking about the END of the republican party. It will splinter. What comes after remains to be seen. But there are hard feelings all around. I can only speak for me, but I will never support any of the RATs ever never agian
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Agreed.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 11, 2016 01:49 PM (EMrMF)

94 barbarian," which came from the Latin "indomitus"

Ah, (punditry cap on) no. It's Greek (IIRC)...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 01:49 PM (C9pBZ)

95 Too many "conservatives" missed the part about gloves off

Posted by: Jeff E. at October 11, 2016 01:49 PM (1yOGV)

96 How is it that real conservatives have pinned all their hopes on a conman like Trump?

Think he's better than Hillary and the lesser of two evils? Fine.

But lets stop pretending that Trump's actually doing anything other than stroking his ego. He's not the avatar of "the people" and he's not anyone's champion but his own.

I also find this a little hard to take from ace and others who said we needed to back Trump to stop Hillary - but now we need to burn the party to the ground. So, kiss you SCOTUS picks any legislative power good-bye because Trump's ego.

Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:49 PM (3CRoX)

97 outside of 2012 Presidential Election, I've been voting against him for the last 12 years. He won't talk to local business owners or even visit half of his district

Posted by: the dude at October 11, 2016 01:49 PM (SyKbw)

98 Trump has become a personality cult.

Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:45 PM (3CRoX)

No. This isn't about Trump. This is just the Tea Party talking. We aren't dead.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 11, 2016 01:49 PM (zc3Db)

99 At the very least, a Trump administration would re-activate Checks and Balances to some degree.

Since we have completely abandoned them for our "Historic" Resident, that can't be all bad.

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2016 01:49 PM (J82wy)

100 Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:45 PM (3CRoX)

Trump is the GOP nominee fair and square, and when other members of the GOP attack him he is supposed to do nothing? You want to stop Hillary but support attacking the GOP candidate?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Support the Arts! Do the Monster Mish at the Outrage Outlet! at October 11, 2016 01:49 PM (hLRSq)

101 Dear GOP,

If you'd like us to vote for the downticket races, dump Paul Ryan. #OnlyTrump

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 01:49 PM (Pby3z)

102 I like how now that Trump is calling out Ryan's fecklessness, Ryan starts calling to attack Democrats instead.

If Ryan had been doing that all along, the need for a Trump candidacy would never have arisen.

Posted by: Iblis at October 11, 2016 01:50 PM (9221z)

103 86 "I despise that guy, and left Hot Gas a long, long time ago."

There's actually a website called Hot Gas being run by Hot Air refugees. Its actually pretty good.
Posted by: countrydoc at October 11, 2016 01:48 PM (QP15r)

Hot Air went to shit almost immediately after Michelle Malkin sold it.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 11, 2016 01:50 PM (0mRoj)

104 troll alert at 65

Posted by: mallflower Rodham Clinton at October 11, 2016 01:50 PM (TWEt2)

105 Is it possible that Ryan has looked at polls and decided that Trump will lose in November and that it is best to salvage a GOP House to oppose (however ineffectively) Clinton? Or does everything have to fit this narrative of Establishment Elites versus Ordinary Folks?

We're seriously going to jettison one of the few serious architects of practical, politically possible entitlement reform over this candidacy?

Partisan national politics aren't ultimately going to be the answer to our ongoing national disintegration, but this seems....extreme.

Possibly it doesn't really even matter. We're at the cusp of the Burning Times anyway.
Posted by: Fred

You don't think Paul Ryan saw the polls in 2008 with McCain? Funny how he didn't feel the need to start torpedoing Mccain? Or how about all the state polls that showed Romney/Ryan losing the election?

Okay, he thinks Trump loses now despite every poll showing him winning like 2 weeks ago. That doesn't mean you throw your lot in with the Democrats over a bad batch of polling.

Posted by: Maritime at October 11, 2016 01:50 PM (AQit7)

106 Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:45 PM (3CRoX)

Thank you for your support, Comrade.

Posted by: The Uniparty Left, Fascist, and Proud at October 11, 2016 01:50 PM (97XyN)

107 91 why is Drudge pimping the Clinton son story again?
Posted by: spypeach at October 11, 2016 01:48 PM (nyYhO)

Is he appropriating Dem tactics by throwing mud against the wall to see what sticks? And even if it doesn't, keep throwing it because it's fun, and it makes the sheeple believe that something bad has happened, even if it hasn't???

Or, more concisely, Alinsky Rules.

Posted by: Moki at October 11, 2016 01:50 PM (VnCI9)

108 Rachel and I give Allah Pundit swirlies once a week.

Posted by: Chris Hayes at October 11, 2016 01:50 PM (OD2ni)

109 I will vote for Trump. If he loses, he will be the last Republican I vote for - ever.

Posted by: One-eyed Cat Peepin' a Seafood Store at October 11, 2016 01:51 PM (aeVIR)

110 75 Is it possible that Ryan has looked at polls and decided that Trump will lose in November and that it is best to salvage a GOP House to oppose (however ineffectively) Clinton? Or does everything have to fit this narrative of Establishment Elites versus Ordinary Folks?

Last night there was an eruption on twitter and periscope: Mile Cernovich and GatewayPundit are saying that the video of Trump came from within Ryan's team and with his blessing. Cernovich interviewed the recently fired Trump campaign chair from VA who insists that the Trump campaign has been infiltrated by sabotaging GOPers.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at October 11, 2016 01:51 PM (oQQwD)

111 Hmm, since I'm out of state should I donate to his opponent..... What do y'all think?

Posted by: Draki at October 11, 2016 01:43 PM (v5KhB)

I'm in Texas. I may do it.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 11, 2016 01:47 PM (Idu2i)

Yeah, I do a monthly political fight contribution and think I'll put it there this month.

Posted by: Draki at October 11, 2016 01:51 PM (v5KhB)

112 but now we need to burn the party to the ground"

"Now"?

Ah, you're new here. Got it.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 01:51 PM (C9pBZ)

113 65 "Trump has become a personality cult."

Don't make the same mistake Ace did when he thought support for Sarah Palin was based on a personality cult.

People aren't enamored with Trump. They are just fed up with status quo politicians and Trump just happened to be the one in the forefront when the shit hit the fan.

Palin was just a good person destroyed by the left/media who should have been someone we want in government.

Posted by: jwest at October 11, 2016 01:51 PM (Zs4uk)

114 So the R presidential candidate and the highest profile R Representative are in a public cat fight 4 weeks out? Yet if anyone mentions any polls that show Hilldog up they must be trolling? Which party really looks like it's imploding right now?

This is one thing I don't miss about a lot of real estate developers. Some literally stirred up shit all the time nonstop on their consultants and contractors. Just felt more comfortable if people were throat punching each other.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 11, 2016 01:51 PM (x5ZBk)

115 Some are upset that Trump won't take it in the ass like gope's been doing....old habits r hard to break

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2016 01:51 PM (ZIx/C)

116 I'm surprised there isn't more commentary about just how radical the #NeverTrumpers are. I'm not talking about commenters on this or other blogs or opinion writers like Will or Krauthammer. I'm talking about the GOP leadership. Guys like Ryan, Mike Lee, McCain, etc. There are actively working to undermine the GOP candidate for president. I get that they think the GOP base made a mistake when they chose Donald Trump, but the choice has been made. Their job is to accept what the primary voters decided and to unite the party in order to win in November.

I can't think of anytime in our country's history when a party has worked to oppose its voters. Can anyone think of an example where something like this has happened before?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 11, 2016 01:52 PM (R+30W)

117 Any chance of grabbing Allahpundit by the mish?

Posted by: Grisle McThornbody at October 11, 2016 01:52 PM (lvNsd)

118 We must now spend our energy swearing loyalty to him the GOP and attacking the GOP Trump instead of Hillary. Brilliant move in the last month 9 months of the election.

Fixed!

Posted by: the GOPe at October 11, 2016 01:49 PM (LdMbv)

================

Like I said - a cult. I'm not even a registered Republican. I have 0 political power except my one measely vote in a state that will go for Trump. I have my problems with the GOP but Trump is not the solution.
5 minutes ago we needed to defeat Hillary so Trump would pick SCOTUS nominees and drive a legislative agenda but now it's about destroying the GOP. Make up your mind already - you can't have both.

Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:52 PM (3CRoX)

119 So, you decide the best thing to do is to destroy the entire party because they don't want to go down with the ship.

THEY sunk the party in 2014 when we GAVE them both houses and they SAID before they ever took office that they wouldn't dismantle 404Care.

THAT was when they hulled the ship. Them and them only. I'm done getting shivved in the back by my side.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 11, 2016 01:52 PM (EMrMF)

120 Hot Air was bought by Salem Communications, yes?

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 11, 2016 01:52 PM (B9Zoe)

121 "Marquis of Queensbury" is one of my pet peeves.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 11, 2016 01:46 PM (mgbwf)

I'm impressed. I had heard that you are a Red Sox fan and so, obviously, would have difficulty with big words.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 11, 2016 01:52 PM (Zu3d9)

122 Yeah, I'm not a fan of elites except for excellence demonstrated. If Ryan's behind the Trump sabotage, I'm all for getting rid of him.

And yes, Hot Air started going downhill once they got rid of all the 'unapproved' co-bloggers.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 11, 2016 01:52 PM (hR1Jj)

123 "badly damage any hopes he has to be president anytime soon."
------------------------
Good luck getting the nomination.

If Ryan wants to be president, he needs to get the GOP to change the whole nomination process to be more like that of the Democrat Party's. That is, he needs to get a super-delegate system.

I can't see the 65+% of GOP primary voters who went for Trump or Cruz giving him anything but the finger.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 11, 2016 01:52 PM (Nox3c)

124 "Barbarian" supposedly comes from the "baa baa" noises the Greeks heard their "uncivilized" neighbors speaking.

In most languages, the word for "people" means "us" and the terms for "foreigner," "barbarian," "savage," etc. are pretty interchangeable.

I.e. *we're* civilized humans, but those guys over there? Feh.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 11, 2016 01:52 PM (u0s1P)

125 Gwelf, I think it's more about out and out betrayed by political leaders.

If you're a Republican voter like me, we voters and citizens have done our jobs. In 2014, we campaigned for them, recruited other voters, made calls, contributed money, and voted for them. In 2016, when we're desperately looking for a new direction, at the moment when the GOP leaders' support may sway others, many acted self-righteous and walked away from the duly elected nominee.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 11, 2016 01:52 PM (hqZPQ)

126 Trump punched me in my baby dick!

Posted by: Betapundit at October 11, 2016 01:52 PM (XkVXQ)

127 I haven't forgotten that the GOP worked with the democrats to undermine the tea party.

I haven't forgotten that Boehner resigned rather than cooperate with the tea party.

I haven't forgotten that the GOP used national funds to undermine the tea party primary candidate in Mississippi to help Cochran "increase welfare benefits" .

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2016 01:52 PM (7ZVPa)

128 30 Omg, Ace! Are you being serious? You're going to do what you are upset about the NeverTrumpers for doing? Lol! All this for a guy who supported Hillary 7 years ago and was a liberal Democrat his ENTIRE life until a year ago? So, you decide the best thing to do is to destroy the entire party because they don't want to go down with the ship. What an inconsistent hypocrite you've become.
Posted by: rexbatt at October 11, 2016 01:41 PM (woA40)

*sighs*, please calm down.

This isn't about Trump himself; Ace and countless others have listed Trump's many flaws time and time again. This is about high-ranking Republicans deliberately hobbling a guy that was nominated fairly simply because they don't like him and don't like his supporters. So much for "Large Tent".

Posted by: The Institute at October 11, 2016 01:52 PM (nGsFZ)

129 I also find this a little hard to take from ace and others who said we needed to back Trump to stop Hillary - but now we need to burn the party to the ground. So, kiss you SCOTUS picks any legislative power good-bye because Trump's ego.
Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:49 PM (3CRoX)

Again you don't get it and stop putting words in our mouths. We are all ( well most of us) well aware of Trump's failings...but it is not us who are burning the party to the ground it's the RATs turning on the Party.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 01:53 PM (zp+j1)

130 Paul Ryan's fursonal is Boehner-kin.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 11, 2016 01:53 PM (VdICR)

131 Recall that Ryan has been sniping at Trump for several months, by playing along with every silly MSM anti-Trump meme.

e.g., he called out Trump for anti-semitism over that made -up six pointed star silliness.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 11, 2016 01:53 PM (r1fLd)

132 65 Trump has become a personality cult.
We must now spend our energy swearing loyalty to him and attacking the GOP instead of Hillary.

Hmm, it seems like you are trying to make the distinction between the government and organized crime, yet none exists.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at October 11, 2016 01:53 PM (oQQwD)

133 "it is best to salvage a GOP House to oppose (however ineffectively) Clinton?"

There is no reason to expect a Ryan-led House to oppose Clinton. In fact, the reasonable expectation is that Ryan will lie his ass off while doing everything he possibly can do to support her.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 11, 2016 01:53 PM (97XyN)

134 >>Don't make the same mistake Ace did when he thought support for Sarah Palin was based on a personality cult.

Posted by: jwest at October 11, 2016 01:51 PM (Zs4uk)

This is rich.

Like a Lobster Quiche.

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2016 01:53 PM (J82wy)

135 If Ryan had been doing that all along, the need for a Trump candidacy would never have arisen."

Shhhh. Don't let the "concerned" know that, 'k? We'll just keep that between ourselves.

Heh.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 01:53 PM (C9pBZ)

136 This isn't about Trump himself; Ace and countless others have listed Trump's many flaws time and time again. This is about high-ranking Republicans deliberately hobbling a guy that was nominated fairly simply because they don't like him and don't like his supporters. So much for "Large Tent".
Posted by: The Institute at October 11, 2016 01:52 PM (nGsFZ)

exactly

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 01:53 PM (zp+j1)

137 This is just the Tea Party talking. We aren't dead.
You're not fooling anyone, you know.

Posted by: the GOPe at October 11, 2016 01:54 PM (LdMbv)

138 Vote for Ryan's Democratic opponent, whoever that is. Boot him out of
Congress, and badly damage any hopes he has to be president anytime
soon.

Thank you, Ace!

Posted by: adsila at October 11, 2016 01:54 PM (erVZn)

139 The trolls seem upset by Ace' s post.
Oh dear.

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 11, 2016 01:54 PM (Om16U)

140 I also find this a little hard to take from ace and others who said we needed to back Trump to stop Hillary - but now we need to burn the party to the ground. So, kiss you SCOTUS picks any legislative power good-bye because Trump's ego.
Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:49 PM (3CRoX)

The Republican Party is only worth anything in so far as it represents the interests of American citizens against the tyranny of the left. So when The Party, or at least the people running it at the national level, have sided with the Left against their own national candidate, fuck them.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 11, 2016 01:54 PM (KUaJL)

141 65 Trump has become a ~~personality cult~~ threat to open borders and business as usual.
We must now spend our energy swearing loyalty to ~~him~~ our donors and attacking ~~the GOP~~ Trump instead of Hillary. Brilliant move in the last month of the election.
The ~~hurt ego~~ greed of the ~~Orange God King~~ Wall Street Journal class must be satisfied.
This whole thing has really stopped being about stopping Hillary.

Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:45 PM (3CRoX)

There, fixed it for you.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 11, 2016 01:54 PM (ujg0T)

142 I gave Nehlen $20 is all, wanted him to have a voice, even if he didn't have a chance. But taking out Ryan (who would only help Hillary, and probably fight Trump on borders and trade) ... is much more doable.

15 million primary voters for Trump ... huge record, even battling a large field. Yet pussy Ryan can't stand up for the populous. Ryan can grab the pussy vote ... real men and women will vote the traitor out. We can do better than that sellout.

Posted by: Illiniwek at October 11, 2016 01:54 PM (n6rAX)

143 In a democracy, the voters are supposed to be the rulers.
-------------

Pfft. These is one of those outmoded old perceptions, like States Rights, or the Master/Servant Citizen/Government relationship.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 11, 2016 01:54 PM (9mTYi)

144 Does anyone think Trump would be doing ANY of this had Paul Ryan just kept his mouth shut?

It isn't a cult of personality, a Speaker of the House coming out against the Republican nominee is pretty unprecedented.

I guarantee you Nancy Pelosi wouldn't be puling this shit if Bernie Sanders had been the nominee, even though the guy said deep down women want to be raped.

Posted by: Maritime at October 11, 2016 01:54 PM (AQit7)

145 Trump is the GOP nominee fair and square, and when
other members of the GOP attack him he is supposed to do nothing? You
want to stop Hillary but support attacking the GOP candidate?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Support the Arts! Do the Monster Mish at the Outrage Outlet! at October 11, 2016 01:49 PM (hLRSq)

They didn't just wake up one day and decide to distance themselves from Trump. They know that Trumps comments will hurt them in their re-election campaigns. That's on Trump. You can call them wussies all day long but that doesn't change electoral reality.

Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:54 PM (3CRoX)

146 Trump has shown more fight than any candidate with a R besides their name on a national stage in my lifetime.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 11, 2016 01:55 PM (B9Zoe)

147 I really don't see how Ryan thinks abandoning Trump is a smart move.

With Hillary in the White House his problems on his right flank will only get worse.

If he GOP retains that house and there is no regular order then Armageddon breaks loose and he will be swept aside by even agree forces than he is facing now.

The dude is just not very bright.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 11, 2016 01:55 PM (7qLp9)

148 I'm curious too - and also not snarky. I live across the street from that district (used to be in the district, until the redistricting following the 2000 census) and the people I know in that district actually like her.

I have to run to pick up my son but I will check back when I can.

Posted by: bluebell at October 11, 2016 01:45 PM (uHcnA)

Me, too, as she was my rep when I lived there. I know she never endorsed Trump and was critical of the recent comments.

Comstock won the district after Representative Frank Wolf, a long-time GOP rep, retired. The district runs from wealthy, populous close-in DC suburbs all the way out to very rural areas at the West Virginia border. Conservative Review gives her a very low score; it's an open question as to whether a representative in that district, which includes many very blue precincts in Fairfax, could be much more conservative and win.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at October 11, 2016 01:55 PM (kZVsz)

149 maybe Trump can win back people like Ryan by saying "You have nothing to fear from a Hillery Clinton administration."

Posted by: mallflower Rodham Clinton at October 11, 2016 01:55 PM (TWEt2)

150 Lobster quiche? Is that a real thing? I was just pining for lobster bisque.

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 11, 2016 01:55 PM (Om16U)

151 I don't know what's going to happen, but I'm thinking it's going to be a lot like the scene in Pulp Fiction with Marcus and a couple of "associates" with pipe cutters and blow torches.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 11, 2016 01:55 PM (4ErVI)

152 Plan B is 3rd party.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 11, 2016 01:55 PM (uOFUj)

153 Is he appropriating Dem tactics by throwing mud against the wall to see what sticks? And even if it doesn't, keep throwing it because it's fun, and it makes the sheeple believe that something bad has happened, even if it hasn't???

Or, more concisely, Alinsky Rules.

LBJ Rules. "I just wanna see the motherfucker defend against it!"

Posted by: rickb223 at October 11, 2016 01:55 PM (EMrMF)

154 I'm not in his district either,

Posted by: Carol at October 11, 2016 01:55 PM (sj3Ax)

155 Are you an amishgwelf or a chemgwelf?

Posted by: Lord Sir x at October 11, 2016 01:55 PM (nFwvY)

156 >>>9 wondering if I should buy some popcorn

From Twitter

James O' Keefe

We will start raising the stakes, If hidden camera sex talk is fair game, then let's play inside Hillary Clinton campaign tomorrow.
Posted by: spypeach at October 11, 2016 01:37 PM (nyYhO)

What "hidden camera" sex talk? "Live mic" sex talk recorded on audio tape; the camera was rolling in clear view: they smiled at it, posed for it, waved at it.

Posted by: m at October 11, 2016 01:55 PM (/4GEs)

157 You and I are in the same district in NoVa. I
thought Barbara Comstock was not too bad, so I would like to hear why
you think she isn't a good representative. I'm not being mean/nasty-I
really want to know.

Posted by: Moki at October 11, 2016 01:42 PM (VnCI9)

--------------

I'm curious too - and also not snarky. I live across the street
from that district (used to be in the district, until the redistricting
following the 2000 census) and the people I know in that district
actually like her.

I have to run to pick up my son but I will check back when I can.

Posted by: bluebell at October 11, 2016 01:45 PM (uHcnA)

She called for Trump to drop out.

Posted by: Miley's Deplorables at October 11, 2016 01:56 PM (L2UGl)

158 Again you don't get it and stop putting words in our mouths. We are all ( well most of us) well aware of Trump's failings...but it is not us who are burning the party to the ground it's the RATs turning on the Party.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 01:53 PM (zp+j1)

I've got no problem with working to burn down the GOP if all they are gonna do is be wimpy liberals like Mario and Jeb!

Posted by: Draki at October 11, 2016 01:56 PM (v5KhB)

159 >>Lobster quiche? Is that a real thing? I was just pining for lobster bisque.

Oh, it's real.

And it's spectacular.

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2016 01:56 PM (J82wy)

160
Yep, why have a dem as Speaker of the House, when you can just have a minority party member? Vote against Ryan.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 11, 2016 01:56 PM (ODxAs)

161 Trump is the figurehead symbol for those who are fed up with the status quo in Washington. There is clearly an establishment cartel of Republicans and Democrats, who care only about feeding from the trough.

And many of the establishment R's would be satisfied with a Clinton win. What better way to fundraise.

Posted by: Tofer732 at October 11, 2016 01:56 PM (OBpER)

162 So Ryan and the other NeverTrumpers begrudgingly (and insincerely) endorse, then wait until the home stretch and drop that inane, nothingburger video as part of their 'Harrumph!' Strategy. An orgy of Faux Outrage coordinated with the media and they get their 'Defeat With Honor' preference.

I say it's been their plan all along.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 01:56 PM (Pby3z)

163 Never trust a man from Appleton

Posted by: A Blinkin at October 11, 2016 01:56 PM (2ot48)

164 I also find this a little hard to take from ace and others who said we needed to back Trump to stop Hillary - but now we need to burn the party to the ground. So, kiss you SCOTUS picks any legislative power good-bye because Trump's ego.
Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:49 PM (3CRoX)

Allow me to paraphrase:

Pleeaassee! Can't you see?! If we would only decide - right here and now to change our vote to Johnson, he could make up the more than 90% deficit in mere moments!

Pleeaassee!

Pretty much sum it up?

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 01:56 PM (4ng05)

165 LOADS of trolls today.

Posted by: joncelli, Providing the Traditional Responses at October 11, 2016 01:56 PM (RD7QR)

166 146 Trump has shown more fight than any candidate with a R besides their name on a national stage in my lifetime.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 11, 2016 01:55 PM (B9Zoe)

Let's be fair. The GOP is showing incredible fight right now - against Trump.

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 11, 2016 01:56 PM (Om16U)

167 This is all re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Perhaps its just one of those Clemenza wars, needed to shed the bad blood. There is alot of bad blood.

But this is all starting to resemble an ecclesiastical debate about orthodox doctrine in Constantinople, while the Turks close in on encircling the city. It just doesn't matter. We took out Boehner to get Ryan in the first place. Take Ryan out, and you'll get another long-timey GOP representative to take the speaker's chair. Take that one out, and you'll get yet another.

Trump has (or should have) bigger fish to fry than Ryan. Focus fire on Hillary and the Democrats.

Posted by: Revenant at October 11, 2016 01:56 PM (3DSAh)

168 Well I guess we found out who Average Joe is.

That Stream article has Adam Parkhomenko of Clinton campaign commenting as a troll but being called out on it as saying "I am just an average Joe..."

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 11, 2016 01:56 PM (N5OIo)

169 "Barbarian" supposedly comes from the "baa baa" noises the Greeks heard their "uncivilized" neighbors speaking.
Weewee?

Posted by: baba wawa at October 11, 2016 01:57 PM (LdMbv)

170 They didn't just wake up one day and decide to distance themselves from Trump. They know that Trumps comments will hurt them in their re-election campaigns. That's on Trump. You can call them wussies all day long but that doesn't change electoral reality.
Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:54 PM (3CRoX)

Ryan got booed in his own district the other day after dissing trump. I think their lack of support for the top of the ticket will hurt them not help them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 01:57 PM (zp+j1)

171 Dear GOP,

If you'd like us to vote for the downticket races, dump Paul Ryan. #OnlyTrump

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 01:49 PM (Pby3z)

I'm walking in, voting for Trump, and walking out.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 11, 2016 01:57 PM (Idu2i)

172 #65 Nonsense....complete bullshit talking point that does not work anymore.

The GOP are spending their energy on campaigning against their own fucking nominee.

Posted by: Pam at October 11, 2016 01:57 PM (cF0hS)

173 145 Trump is the GOP nominee fair and square, and when
other members of the GOP attack him he is supposed to do nothing? You
want to stop Hillary but support attacking the GOP candidate?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Support the Arts! Do the Monster Mish at the Outrage Outlet! at October 11, 2016 01:49 PM (hLRSq)

They didn't just wake up one day and decide to distance themselves from Trump. They know that Trumps comments will hurt them in their re-election campaigns. That's on Trump. You can call them wussies all day long but that doesn't change electoral reality.
Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:54 PM (3CRoX

He is an outsider and both parties and the media and the political class are trying to destroy him, his family, and their lives to send a message to any other outsiders who dare try and run in the future.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 11, 2016 01:57 PM (B9Zoe)

174 >> LOADS of trolls today.

I get $1 a post from Big Quiche.

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2016 01:57 PM (J82wy)

175 144
Does anyone think Trump would be doing ANY of this had Paul Ryan just kept his mouth shut?

It isn't a cult of personality, a Speaker of the House coming out against the Republican nominee is pretty unprecedented.

I guarantee you Nancy Pelosi wouldn't be puling this shit if Bernie
Sanders had been the nominee, even though the guy said deep down women
want to be raped.

Posted by: Maritime at October 11, 2016 01:54 PM (AQit7)

Pelosi wouldn't do this because the media would make sure she wouldn't need to. If we had a real media that treated Democrats like they do Republicans she'd have to do the same things.

Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:57 PM (3CRoX)

176 They didn't just wake up one day and decide to distance themselves from Trump. They know that Trumps comments will hurt them in their re-election campaigns. That's on Trump. You can call them wussies all day long but that doesn't change electoral reality.
Posted by: gwelf

No, it won't.

The idea that because Trump talked dirty, every Republican on the ticket will be "punished" is horse shit.

A Republican can easily say he is appalled by the comments but move on.

How many Democrats are suffering because Bill Clinton is a predator?

Posted by: Maritime at October 11, 2016 01:57 PM (AQit7)

177 I'm voting for Trump

and voting for the opponent of any downticket R who does not support Trump.

Even if it's the dogcatcher.

Let's see whose party this is.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 11, 2016 01:57 PM (0cMkb)

178 It isn't a cult of personality, a Speaker of the House coming out against the Republican nominee is pretty unprecedented.
----------------------
Repeatedly against the projected/selected nominee over a period of six months.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 11, 2016 01:58 PM (NUqwG)

179 Hot Air went to shit almost immediately after Michelle Malkin sold it.

That's happened to several Malkin-sold properties. Twitchy's managed to remain pretty good, but it's the major exception.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 11, 2016 01:58 PM (KUTP5)

180 96 How is it that real conservatives have pinned all their hopes on a conman like Trump?

Because he is still better than the Bushyrovie GOP class who still don't get it about immigration, and many other issues for that matter.

Think he's better than Hillary and the lesser of two evils? Fine.

Bingo. You got me.

But lets stop pretending that Trump's actually doing anything other than stroking his ego. He's not the avatar of "the people" and he's not anyone's champion but his own.

If it still gets away from socialist doom under Hillary, good enough. Stroke that ego!

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 11, 2016 01:58 PM (ujg0T)

181 Trump has (or should have) bigger fish to fry than Ryan. Focus fire on Hillary and the Democrats.

Posted by: Revenant at October 11, 2016 01:56 PM (3DSAh)

it wasn't Trump who fired the first shot and who continues to fire...at some point you have to defend yourself.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 01:58 PM (zp+j1)

182 Lobster quiche? Is that a real thing? I was just pining for lobster bisque."

Lobster mac'n'cheese.

Yuuum.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 01:58 PM (C9pBZ)

183 Ryan got booed in his own district the other day
after dissing trump. I think their lack of support for the top of the
ticket will hurt them not help them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 01:57 PM (zp+j1)

We'll see. I think Ryan has a better understanding of the voters in his district than you or I do.

Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:58 PM (3CRoX)

184 I'm impressed. I had heard that you are a Red Sox fan and so, obviously, would have difficulty with big words.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Pfft. I bet you put carrots in your chili like Cochran, you Garden Stater.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 11, 2016 01:58 PM (mgbwf)

185 Also rumors are swirling that it was Ryan's media guy Dan Senor who leaked the tapes, his wife works for NBC.

If that's true then there is going to be serious hell to pay of by some miracle Trump wins.

Even if he doesn't then Trump should make life as difficult for the GOP as possible.

He will have a nationalist movement and that could easily morph into a party to replace the GOP.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 11, 2016 01:58 PM (7qLp9)

186 Lobster quiche? Is that a real thing? I was just pining for lobster bisque.

It's on Red Lobster's Lunch Menu.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 11, 2016 01:59 PM (EMrMF)

187 Here in PA, Toomey has a mini-Hillary running against him.
And as far as I know he hasn't dumped Trump.
So I guess I'll vote for him.

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 11, 2016 01:59 PM (Om16U)

188 Lobster Pot Pie is a good one, too.

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2016 01:59 PM (J82wy)

189 Even if it's the dogcatcher.

Let's see whose party this is.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 11, 2016 01:57 PM (0cMkb)

I'm with naturalfake.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 01:59 PM (4ng05)

190 How did venezualia end up with a rubber-stamp dictator supporting congress?

Oh, this is how.

Posted by: A Blinkin at October 11, 2016 01:59 PM (2ot48)

191 No Marquess of Queensbury rules here!!!
...
Oh, thank you for getting that right. "Marquis of Queensbury" is one of my pet peeves.

You probably mean "Queensberry".

Posted by: since we're getting all pedantic at October 11, 2016 01:59 PM (qQqs/)

192 How is it that real conservatives have pinned all their hopes on a conman like Trump?
------------------------------
He was the only one not too thin to stick the phucking pin in.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 11, 2016 01:59 PM (NUqwG)

193 someone should tell ryan that if hugging obama so he could get more or expedited hurricane aide was enough to end christie's political future, then this nonsense of not supporting Trump is more than enough to end his.

he is done. he will never make it out of the primaries, ever. he will be lucky if he makes it out of this election with his seat.

not sure how someone could destroy so much goodwill so fast.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 01:59 PM (cPsPa)

194 Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:57 PM (3CRoX)

I KEEL YOU!

Posted by: Ghibilline at October 11, 2016 01:59 PM (RD7QR)

195 Mmm. Lobster quiche.

Posted by: homer simpson at October 11, 2016 02:00 PM (LdMbv)

196 As far as I can tell, Ryan told his caucus members to make their own decisions based on electoral realities on the ground in their districts, in terms of how closely their campaigns should identify and align with Trump. Am I missing something else (other than the announcement of not campaigning with him stuff. That was unnecessary and unhelpful)? That's pretty standard political advice even in good times, and especially so when you are down in the polls with around a month to go. That's sabotage and disloyalty?

There's a lot of hysteria and pre-positioning of assets in preparation for an election post-mortem going on, it seems to me.

Posted by: Fred at October 11, 2016 02:00 PM (eRsMQ)

197 The closest I've ever come to voting for a Democrat was abstaining in the 1986 Pennsylvania Senate race because Arlen Specter voted against Bork.

Oh, and I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976 in our elementary school election survey. That's just evidence of why sixth-graders shouldn't be allowed to vote.

By 1980 I had my mind right.

Posted by: Michael at October 11, 2016 02:00 PM (KClXw)

198 If it still gets away from socialist doom under Hillary, good enough. Stroke that ego!

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 11, 2016 01:58 PM (ujg0T)

I think voting for Trump to stop Hillary is a perfectly reasonable position. But attacking Ryan or others who know that Trump is electoral poison for them won't help stop Hillary and burning down the part at this point *might* cost the GOP the house or senate. Which, if you're goal is to stop Hillary, is really really bad.

Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 02:00 PM (3CRoX)

199 You lousy fucking voters! YOU DID THIS!!!!!

Posted by: Your Betters at October 11, 2016 02:00 PM (Pby3z)

200 179 Hot Air went to shit almost immediately after Michelle Malkin sold it.

That's happened to several Malkin-sold properties. Twitchy's managed to remain pretty good, but it's the major exception.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 11, 2016 01:58 PM (KUTP5)

Oh I don't know I found it very, VERY amusing that the dickish ain't atheists the cat's meow? articles dropped to zero pretty quickly after the Christian company bought the site.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 11, 2016 02:00 PM (4ErVI)

201 Hey, rexbatt -spot the difference between these two setups:
The leadership: "The voters have betrayed us! Let's throw literally everything that matters away to teach them a lesson!"
The base: "The leadership have betrayed us! Let's knock one off to teach them a lesson"

What the difference here - have you spotted it? Well, okay, there are several differences; the scale of what's being "thrown away", the actual veracity of "betrayal", etc. etc. but lets hit the big one: The party has the job of representing the base. The base does not have the job of blind loyalty to those who reject doing their job. YOU IMBECILE

Posted by: Sporkatus at October 11, 2016 02:00 PM (eXSOZ)

202 We'll see. I think Ryan has a better understanding of the voters in his district than you or I do.
Posted by: gwelf

He lives in a Democrat district, so maybe that's a problem right there that the "leader" of the GOP in the house is pandering to Democrat voters instead of representing Republicans.

Posted by: Maritime at October 11, 2016 02:01 PM (AQit7)

203 I personally see little benefit in concerning myself with preserving a GOP downticket apart from a few very specific spots where there are actual hardnosed conservatives. For the most part, the GOP has already been co-opted by the evil left.

They did next to nothing to stop Obama from doing great damage to this country, much of it irreversible. National debt, taxes, court appointments, Obamacare, weaponization of nearly every government agency, failure to deliver a message to the people, immigration, failure to act on the numerous scandals, stabbing conservatives in the back in multiple races, and the list goes on. The GOP performed no function even when they held the biggest majority in decades.

Side note, is there any hope for the future of this country if we get a Hillary presidency? I look back at the damage Obama managed to wreak and can only imagine it getting worse and more locked in with the Clintons at the helm.

Posted by: ElKomandante at October 11, 2016 02:01 PM (5cbpq)

204 Also don't tell Ace but I totally too many carbs today - half a peach, 2 tamarinds, 3 strawberries.
And two eggs with cheese.
I'm completely stuffed.

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 11, 2016 02:01 PM (Om16U)

205 when romney chose ryan as his running mate I was saying I was sorry ryan was leaving the House because I really thought it was good to have him in the HOuse doing what he does best.

now I want him to lose his seat.

we should be all in with #neverryan because it is the simplest most effective way to send everyone a signal.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 02:02 PM (cPsPa)

206 163 Never trust a man from Appleton
Posted by: A Blinkin at October 11, 2016 01:56 PM (2ot4

Hey! I was vindicated by Soviet archives!

Posted by: Zombie Joe McCarthy at October 11, 2016 02:02 PM (ujg0T)

207 113
65 "Trump has become a personality cult."

Don't make the same mistake Ace did when he thought support for Sarah Palin was based on a personality cult.

People aren't enamored with Trump. They are just fed up with status
quo politicians and Trump just happened to be the one in the forefront
when the shit hit the fan.

Palin was just a good person destroyed by the left/media who should have been someone we want in government.

Posted by: jwest at October 11, 2016 01:51 PM (Zs4uk)

I don't think all Trump voters are part of his cult.But when they actively support him burning down the party - which is completely at odds with the goal of stopping Hillary - something is amiss.

Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 02:02 PM (3CRoX)

208 "If hidden camera sex talk is fair game, then let's play inside Hillary Clinton campaign tomorrow."

How old am I? Old enough to remember when the cynical game of "Bag A Local" was enthusiastically played by the staff of the 1992 Clinton-Gore travelling campaign road show.

With score totals loudly talked up, and betting pools.

Oh, but now the same lot publicly profess to be shocked -- shocked!!! deeply!!! -- by the mere private mention of extramarital sex. To the fainting couch! The smelling salts, stat!

Posted by: torquewrench at October 11, 2016 02:02 PM (noWW6)

209 Ryan, honey, is it supposed to be this soft?

Posted by: Babs Jansen at October 11, 2016 02:02 PM (JO9+V)

210 Is that you Paul or do I have a dick in my eye?

Posted by: Marcus T at October 11, 2016 02:03 PM (VKHYd)

211 If it still gets away from socialist doom under Hillary, good enough.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 11, 2016 01:58 PM (ujg0T)

It is amazing how unwilling to listen these #NeverTrumpers are.

You and I are probably about the same: I'm going to hold my nose and vote for Trump, because....HE ISN'T HILLARY.

I don't love the guy. I am under no illusions that he will be a great president, but compared to Hillary he is fvcking George Washington.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 11, 2016 02:03 PM (Zu3d9)

212 I say we ask Amb. Bolton for his opinion on the matter:

https://tinyurl.com/jmz5zub

I'll just go with John - may I call you John - on this one, thanks.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 02:03 PM (4ng05)

213 But when they actively support him burning down the party"

Still new here, I see.

Here's a clue: scroll down.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 02:03 PM (C9pBZ)

214 You probably mean "Queensberry".

Posted by: since we're getting all pedantic

Shit. You're right.

I mean, thank you.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 11, 2016 02:03 PM (mgbwf)

215 He will have a nationalist movement and that could easily morph into a party to replace the GOP.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 11, 2016 01:58 PM (7qLp9)

I heard a podcast with the EIC of Ballot Access News. He said it would only take about $6m to get an independent candidate on the ballots in all states for President, and not even that much to get independent candidates on for all House Seats. That might be the route you have to take.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at October 11, 2016 02:03 PM (kZVsz)

216 Lobster pot, lobster pot, lobster pot PIIEEEE!!!

Posted by: Confused Donny at October 11, 2016 02:03 PM (RwwCT)

217 Remember that Scott Walker (R) Wisconsin governor, was one of the 17 candidates for the nomination but went down in flames when he couldn't go against his money men and take a strong position against open borders.

Ryan is also from Wisconsin and probably has the same money men, so his official opinions are probably given to him by the same money men.

Too bad Nehlen didn't catch on but Ryan losing the general would be good too...there's a Dem and 2 others besides Ryan on the ballot.

Posted by: Boots at October 11, 2016 02:03 PM (EBwPV)

218 194 Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:57 PM (3CRoX)

I KEEL YOU!
Posted by: Ghibilline at October 11, 2016 01:59 PM (RD7QR)

Dang, you beat me to it.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 11, 2016 02:03 PM (ujg0T)

219 I'm so old last week when Ace was saying that anyone who wasn't for Trump was for the Democrats, basically.

Ace this week: VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRAT!

I give up.

Posted by: AppalledatEveryting at October 11, 2016 02:03 PM (PcVaj)

220 Paul Ryan had a shining moment when he called out Obama for the lies in ObamaCare when Obama forced key Congresscritters to attend a show trial roundtable in the run-up to its adoption. What happened to that Paul Ryan?

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 11, 2016 02:04 PM (r1fLd)

221 The times they are a changing * blows into rusty mouth harp *

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 11, 2016 02:04 PM (SMLlF)

222
They know that Trumps comments will hurt them in their re-election campaigns. That's on Trump.

How do they know that? Politics is local and it seems if they are doing a good job the top of the ticket shouldn't matter that much

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 11, 2016 02:04 PM (lKyWE)

223 It seems like this really undermines the argument that we must vote for Trump to protect the SC ect.

If we torch the down ticket senators/representatives we just lose more influence.

I just don't see much upside in giving the dems everything.

Posted by: Lauren at October 11, 2016 02:04 PM (ZklN1)

224 "Barbarian" comes from the Latin "barbarus" which means "beard".

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llamabutcher at October 11, 2016 02:04 PM (xZBTy)

225 "188 Lobster Pot Pie is a good one, too.
Posted by: garrett"

I had lobster mac 'n cheese at a restaurant last month. Delicious!!

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 11, 2016 02:04 PM (OD2ni)

226 We are having an important argument: Who are the rulers, and who are the ruled?

In a democracy, the voters are supposed to be the rulers.

I have occasionally seen liberal "Christians" attempt to snooker their conservative brethren with "render unto Caeser". Problem is, whenever the NT talks about anything relating to government, it is reference to an f*cking empire, not a democracy. *We* are Caeser here. Although it should be obvious, the Bible doesn't and cannot offer precise guidance on every single issue in life. That applies especially so to politics. So Christians must resign themselves to searching their consciences and trying to work out how Biblical principles apply to our current situation. They certainly should not simply take the word of liberal charlatans.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 02:05 PM (iFgwk)

227 Remember that Scott Walker (R) Wisconsin governor, was one of the 17 candidates for the nomination but went down in flames when he couldn't go against his money men and take a strong position against open borders."

Recent history ain't our trollalalas strong suit.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 02:05 PM (C9pBZ)

228 Trump voters need to decide what they value more: Stopping Hillary or burning down/purifying/purging the GOP?

You can't have both.

Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 02:05 PM (3CRoX)

229 As others have already expressed, I've had it with a political party that claims to represent me and my political beliefs, yet bends me over almost every single chance they get.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 11, 2016 02:05 PM (x285+)

230 But when they actively support him burning down the
party - which is completely at odds with the goal of stopping Hillary -
something is amiss.

Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 02:02 PM (3CRoX)

You are missing the point.

Some Trump supprters are enthusiastic about burning down the GOP because the party has actively sabotaged Trump's chances to win this election. It is they who are burning down the party by starting the fire.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 11, 2016 02:05 PM (Zu3d9)

231 I think voting for Trump to stop Hillary is a perfectly reasonable position. But attacking Ryan or others who know that Trump is electoral poison for them won't help stop Hillary and burning down the part at this point *might* cost the GOP the house or senate. Which, if you're goal is to stop Hillary, is really really bad.
Posted by: gwelf

Paul Ryan losing will not determine who controls the House.

Ace never said "Vote against every Republican except Trump!!!"

But what has Paul Ryan done to stop Obama? I think he would be just as effective against Hillary, which means we might as well have the Democrats in charge.

Posted by: Maritime at October 11, 2016 02:05 PM (AQit7)

232 During the primaries people were told that unflattering tapes of Trump would be released. I believe there are others that will be dropped in a week or so when the media has sucked as much as they can from the pussy tape. Supposedly It's from shit he pulled in Scotland if I recall.

It's a shame that rude locker room talk usurps perjury and violation of national security. The socialist approving LIVs are now in the majority. That's the death knoll for the country.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 11, 2016 02:05 PM (LgxQn)

233 "Lobster pot, lobster pot, lobster pot PIIEEEE!!!"

What the fuck are robster craws?

Posted by: Booger at October 11, 2016 02:05 PM (OD2ni)

234 @44: "Trump is fighting a three-front war"

But only one enemy.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 11, 2016 02:05 PM (rznWS)

235 So when Hillary told Lena Dunham on TV that she was going to go check out Lenny Kravitz's dick in an online video, that was different?

I'm straining to understand.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 02:05 PM (4ng05)

236 Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:54 PM (3CRoX)

Distance from Trump is not the same as attack Trump. Try again.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Support the Arts! Do the Monster Mish at the Outrage Outlet! at October 11, 2016 02:06 PM (hLRSq)

237 I can't think of anytime in our country's history when a party has worked to oppose its voters. Can anyone think of an example where something like this has happened before?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 11, 2016 01:52 PM (R+30W)

The GOP has been opposing its base since 2006,, when they first really tried to slime aid and comfort for invading illegals past in the dead of night.

In 2008, Bush allowed a sitting cabinet member to pretty much endorse Barky right before the election. Our own candidate went to pains to assure GOP voters that Barky wasn't a socialist and that no one had anything to fear with him in the White House.

And since 2011 the GOP Congress has been pretty clear that they are opposed to their own base and have agreed with the left about all the lies they made up about us.

Ryan is just taking the next step of the road the GOP leadership has been on since 2006.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 11, 2016 02:06 PM (zc3Db)

238 Side note, is there any hope for the future of this country if we get a Hillary presidency? I look back at the damage Obama managed to wreak and can only imagine it getting worse and more locked in with the Clintons at the helm.

No. 2 to 4 SCOTUS picks and it's all over.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 11, 2016 02:06 PM (EMrMF)

239 191 No Marquess of Queensbury rules here!!!
...
Oh, thank you for getting that right. "Marquis of Queensbury" is one of my pet peeves.

You probably mean "Queensberry".
Posted by: since we're getting all pedantic at October 11, 2016 01:59 PM (qQqs/)

Marcuth is an OK guy. Leave him be.

Posted by: Mike Tyson at October 11, 2016 02:06 PM (7HtZB)

240 I'm so old last week when Ace was saying that anyone who wasn't for Trump was for the Democrats, basically.

Ace this week: VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRAT!

I give up.

Posted by: AppalledatEveryting at October 11, 2016 02:03 PM (PcVaj)

+1

Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 02:06 PM (3CRoX)

241 Ya know what, Ace? Fuck Trump. He has run for a whole fucking year AGAINST the Republican party. If this petulant asshole cannot take a criticism from someone in the party he just joined, then fuck him. He wants unity? Too late, asshole.

I think Ryan was wrong in saying out loud he wouldn't defend Trump. He just should have shut up and not appeared with him ever again.

But Trump immediately has to hit Twitter to respond? He's a fucking baby.

I'll still vote for him.. only because Hillary... But the man is a walking disaster and I do not want to even think about what shit he can do from the oval office.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 11, 2016 02:06 PM (so+oy)

242
And Meg Whitman won't support any (R) who supports the 'extremist' candidate.

Sorry our candidate is too 'extreme' for you, precious.

Let it Burn

GOP delenda est

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 11, 2016 02:06 PM (zu88C)

243 Look this is so obvious...if the RATs had stood with Trump from the get go, the MSM would never have able to get away with 1/2 of the shit they are pushing...It's no coincidence that the Left and The FAB is running adds with RATs in it denouncing Trump. Are they fuckin dumb that they did not know that would happen? And I am suppose to then ignore that and forgive them? Fuck them. They are not the solution, they are the problem.

If The Republican party had been 100% behind the Republican Nominee like the Left is behind their Nominee, this would be a different race.

Fuck them and I blame them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:06 PM (zp+j1)

244 "Let's see whose party this is."

Now this has potential...

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 11, 2016 02:06 PM (97XyN)

245 Good on Trump. As I said earlier RINO Ryan just got reelected by a huge margin and he thinks he is KING shit in WI. His distract obviously is full of dumb asses.

And he is the epitome of the RNCe.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 11, 2016 02:07 PM (mpXpK)

246 Eddie Munster, Kristol, Will, and the rest of the big corporation ball polishers can go straight to hell.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2016 02:07 PM (89T5c)

247 217 Remember that Scott Walker (R) Wisconsin governor, was one of the 17 candidates for the nomination but went down in flames when he couldn't go against his money men and take a strong position against open borders.

And yet, Walker delivered a stirring speech endorsing Trump at the GOP convention, and arguably laying the groundwork for his 2020 or 2024 (I hope!) Presidential Campaign.

Ted Cruz had the same opportunity, and could have done so with an implied and unspoken endorsement, but he chose to commit political seppuku at the end of his speech.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 11, 2016 02:07 PM (ujg0T)

248 A picture of Clinton dancing with the devil and having sex with small mammals could come out an Democrats would just yawn and say it's those extremist Republicans.

Trump makes statements that a large part of the male population has made at one time or another and Republicans fawn outrage and run for their fainting couches, on which they've probably nailed the mish of at least two congressional pages or lobbyists.

Yeah, but " we're not like that or something".

Give me a break.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 11, 2016 02:07 PM (VKHYd)

249 I'm so old last week when Ace was saying that anyone who wasn't for Trump was for the Democrats, basically.

Ace this week: VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRAT!

I give up.

Posted by: AppalledatEveryting at October 11, 2016 02:03 PM (PcVaj)

+1
Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 02:06 PM (3CRoX)

Obviously neither you understand nuance

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:07 PM (zp+j1)

250 Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 01:54 PM (3CRoX)

Distance from Trump is not the same as attack Trump. Try again.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Support the Arts! Do the Monster Mish at the Outrage Outlet! at October 11, 2016 02:06 PM (hLRSq)

There's a lot of overlap there. How did Ryan "attack" Trump and how could he have distanced himself without "attacking" Trump?
And does Trump bear any responsibility for being a dumbass?

Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 02:08 PM (3CRoX)

251 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 11, 2016 02:05 PM (Zu3d

Then we're back at square one of LIB. I don't think we have a choice in the matter.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 11, 2016 02:08 PM (LgxQn)

252 Didn't Ryan tweet something to the effect that his job now was to make sure Hillary does not get a blank check to do whatever she wants? To which I laughed because that is exactly what a GOP congress has given Obama, and now they think we are stupid enough to believe they will do differently with Hillary?

Posted by: IC at October 11, 2016 02:08 PM (a0IVu)

253 re 183: I'd bet Cantor felt the same way.

Posted by: mallflower Rodham Clinton at October 11, 2016 02:08 PM (TWEt2)

254 I can't think of anytime in our country's history when a party has worked to oppose its voters. Can anyone think of an example where something like this has happened before?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous
.............
You mean those voters that keep electing them into office? THOSE voters?? Or just the disaffected ones like you who assume everyone who votes GOP has EXACTLY your points of view??

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 11, 2016 02:08 PM (so+oy)

255 Ya know what, Ace? Fuck Trump. He has run for a whole fucking year AGAINST the Republican party.

=======

Like Ted Cruz. And every other (R) candidate who said the word "Establishment" during the primary.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 11, 2016 02:08 PM (zu88C)

256 *punches Marquess of Queensberry in the dick*

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 11, 2016 02:08 PM (x285+)

257 I tried to get Lamar Smith (currently running for his 15th term) out this time by voting for someone else in the primary.

I have serious ethical qualms about voting for a treasonous DemoRat progtard fascist. Not to mention they really do hate people like me and what I hold dear. So I'm going to have to do some mental gymkata to get to the point I can actually vote for one of them.

Posted by: Skunky Choom at October 11, 2016 02:08 PM (CbGSW)

258 Can anyone think of an example where something like this has happened before? "

Indeed. Read up on Clay and the feud between the House, Senate, and Executive branches...

Interesting stuff, there.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 02:09 PM (C9pBZ)

259 Obviously neither you understand nuance

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:07 PM (zp+j1)

Ok, explain it to me.Ace's main refrain for the past several weeks is that we must stop Hillary at all costs.Now it's we've got to burn the GOP down.Those are mutually exclusive.

Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 02:09 PM (3CRoX)

260 Get ready for 2017!

Posted by: Ow My Balls! at October 11, 2016 02:09 PM (yh8Re)

261 This thread, finally, has convinced me that Hillary will be the next president. I hate it, but there's no way to deny it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2016 02:09 PM (8g/r6)

262 228 Trump voters need to decide what they value more: Stopping Hillary or burning down/purifying/purging the GOP?

You can't have both.
Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 02:05 PM (3CRoX)

Why not? If the GOP isn't doing everything in their power to stop Hillary (which we've seen now, they clearly aren't), then the two positions are definitely not mutually exclusive.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 11, 2016 02:09 PM (KUaJL)

263 What is the RINO bag limit?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2016 02:09 PM (89T5c)

264 Since Ace's family started posting here it has got me wondering what Thanksgiving Dinner is like at the old OfSpades household?

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2016 02:09 PM (J82wy)

265 Trump voters need to decide what they value more: Stopping Hillary or burning down/purifying/purging the GOP?

You can't have both.

Posted by: gwelf
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Due to RINO/nevertrumper squishes we probably can't have either .

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 11, 2016 02:09 PM (zu88C)

266 Debbie Weasel Shitz got tossed under the DNC bus for getting caught manipulating the Dem primary. She still won her seat in Congress (the primary WAS the race), but with little help from her former 'friends'.

I think Ryan should do his best to retain his seat, and then the GOP House should toss his ass on the reject pile as Speaker or any other leadership position.

That would satisfy me for now. Then in the next primary, boot his ass to the curb.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 11, 2016 02:09 PM (gyKtp)

267 Some Trump supprters are enthusiastic about burning down the GOP because the party has actively sabotaged Trump's chances to win this election. It is they who are burning down the party by starting the fire.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 11, 2016 02:05 PM (Zu3d9)

fine with wrecking it, if we have to. why not go for something of a decapitation strike first? Hard as it may be to bring the supertanker of the republican party to a new course, sinking it and salvaging it or building another from the keel up is harder, takes longer, and leaves extremely vulnerable in the interim.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 02:10 PM (cPsPa)

268 And does Trump bear any responsibility for being a dumbass?
Posted by: gwelf
.............
Ha! Not to these Trumpsters.. he has no responsibility for anything.. So, just shut the fuck up and get in line, bitchez!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 11, 2016 02:10 PM (so+oy)

269 Conservative Treehouse completely destroyed the last WSJ/NBC poll. That is once they released the internals.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 11, 2016 02:10 PM (VKHYd)

270 Ryan is just taking the next step of the road the GOP leadership has been on since 2006.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 11, 2016 02:06 PM (zc3Db)
And may vile acts be performed on each of them with a large pineapple - sideways.And to think that Ryan could have been our VP, potentially a GOP candidate running for the Oval Office. To think we listened to the establishment and lined up behind him.Not one of my prouder moments.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 11, 2016 02:10 PM (jxbfJ)

271 I don't think all Trump voters are part of his cult.But when they actively support him burning down the party - which is completely at odds with the goal of stopping Hillary - something is amiss.
Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 02:02 PM (3CRoX)

Those goals aren't mutually exclusive, when you consider that the GOP, especially in Congress, has done little to nothing to stop or in any way hinder the Left's agenda.

Posted by: Iblis at October 11, 2016 02:10 PM (9221z)

272 Not to sound like a pedantic jackass (he said, sounding like one) but the Constitution is the ruler. That is supposed to say what our elected officials can and cannot do.

It's not the people.

We elect our representatives to give us their best judgment on matters and not do what we "the people" want. What is "the people" anyway? There's no such thing.

"The people" - a majority of them - were against the Republicans shutting down government. They're against a lot of things that we need to have done.

A majority of "the people" put Obama into office. Twice. A majority of "the people" like what he's doing.

So if we need to listen to "the people" then we need to support Obama and not oppose him.

Posted by: SteveMG at October 11, 2016 02:10 PM (MMkZy)

273 If Trump really wants to screw over the NeverTrumpers and GOPe here is some other things he can do...

If he loses this election:

1. Threaten to form a new political party (don't laugh, it would fit his ego in a good way...party chairman, without actually running again).

or

2. Threaten to run himself again in 2020 (I know he will be really old...but who cares...just look at the old Senators who won't leave)

or

3. Threaten to run one of photogenic children in 2020.

Then sit back and watch the meltdown take place for the next four years. The whole purpose of "NeverTrump" is to mess up this election in order to run their "candidate" in 2020...Ryan, Marco, another Bush, etc. That way they can teach us all a lesson.

They won't be going anywhere with another Trump on the ballot or a new political party on the ballot in 2020...

Note: The country will be screwed anyway by 2020, might as well have a political party ready to rumble in this NWO and stick it to the GOPe at the same time. I will never have to listen to another Karl Rove lecture again.

"NeverTrump"...meet "NeverComingBack" or "ByeB$tches".

Posted by: William Eaton at October 11, 2016 02:10 PM (KhJh8)

274 Ryan is a stupid ass fag. If he had as many dicks sticking out of him as he had stuck in him than he would look like a porcupine.

Posted by: R. DUKE at October 11, 2016 02:10 PM (ONH2e)

275 Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 11, 2016 02:07 PM (ujg0T)

Walker's father wasn't accused just weeks earlier of being part of the Kennedy assassination either.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 11, 2016 02:10 PM (LgxQn)

276 On Ryan and destroying the GOPe and the like. I tend to disagree. I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Pax ex.

Posted by: Publius Redux at October 11, 2016 02:10 PM (Fb9aZ)

277 Organize a money-bomb for Ryan's opponent?

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 11, 2016 02:10 PM (uOFUj)

278 Here's what I get from this election year, and what I think is happening:

1. The GOP is breaking up. It needed to. The globalist GOPe has sold out the people, and the people have had enough.

2. Whatever happens on Nov 8th, win or lose, Trump started a movement. He may or may not be the best custodian of that movement, but the movement will outlive him. Other, stronger, leaders will arise to lead the movement, whether Trump does or not.

3. As a result of this movement the middle class, particularly the white working middle class which has been completely disenfranchised, will now have their own political party separate from the GOP.

4. The country is truly breaking apart. 5 years ago I would have laughed at anybody who proposed something so silly and told them to go find their tinfoil hat. I'm not laughing anymore. The country is breaking up.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at October 11, 2016 02:10 PM (1zARK)

279 203 I personally see little benefit in concerning myself with preserving a GOP downticket apart from a few very specific spots where there are actual hardnosed conservatives. For the most part, the GOP has already been co-opted by the evil left.

They did next to nothing to stop Obama from doing great damage to this country, much of it irreversible. National debt, taxes, court appointments, Obamacare, weaponization of nearly every government agency, failure to deliver a message to the people, immigration, failure to act on the numerous scandals, stabbing conservatives in the back in multiple races, and the list goes on. The GOP performed no function even when they held the biggest majority in decades.

Side note, is there any hope for the future of this country if we get a Hillary presidency? I look back at the damage Obama managed to wreak and can only imagine it getting worse and more locked in with the Clintons at the helm.

Posted by: ElKomandante at October 11, 2016 02:01 PM (5cbpq)

Going back to the Comstock discussion, she lives in what's called the swingiest district in Virginia. In the time I lived there it went from a safe vote for Wolf to one he had to fight hard for. Comstock barely won in 2014. She's now up against LuAnn Bennett, the former wife of Jim Moran. She's Emily's List-approved and, as I understand it, lives in DC while maintaining a residence in the district. But according to this kind of logic, handing this district over to the Democrats is worth it to teach Paul Ryan a lesson.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at October 11, 2016 02:10 PM (kZVsz)

280 Ok, explain it to me.Ace's main refrain for the past several weeks is that we must stop Hillary at all costs.Now it's we've got to burn the GOP down.Those are mutually exclusive.
Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 02:09 PM (3CRoX)

He is taking about punishing one specific Republican who is the Republican Leader in Congress knee capping his own Party's Nominee. Not voting democratic across the board.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:11 PM (zp+j1)

281 OOh, this is getting GOOD!

Posted by: Seattle Slough at October 11, 2016 02:11 PM (mCz8+)

282 To which I laughed because that is exactly what a GOP congress has given Obama, and now they think we are stupid enough to believe they will do differently with Hillary?"

Exactly so. Teh Won was so special as to be "hands off", so Hillary is just version 2.0.

To be followed by the first "latino", first "mixed whatever", first "LBBBQGTR", etc., all of whom will be immune from the blue meanies, er, Republicans.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 02:11 PM (C9pBZ)

283 I think voting for Trump to stop Hillary is a perfectly reasonable position. But attacking Ryan or others who know that Trump is electoral poison for them won't help stop Hillary and burning down the part at this point *might* cost the GOP the house or senate. Which, if you're goal is to stop Hillary, is really really bad.
Posted by: gwelf

Dude. Ryan has been throwing gasoline bombs at Trump for months. He's a worthless prick who deserves all of the derision he gets stacked on him. He took $6 billion from veterans - out of a "budget" of trillions, when veterans were coming back from war and needed that money, and then justified it by saying, "It had to come from somewhere."

He has funded and actively helped to seek sources of funding for every Obama initiative he has been involved with since becoming speaker.

He isn't a conservative and he personifies everything that is wrong with the Republican party and the idea of being Republican.

Fuck him. Fuck Flake. Fuck Ayotte. Fuck McConnell. Fuck Corker.

Did I miss anyone?

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 02:11 PM (4ng05)

284 Trump is fighting a three-front war.

Its hard enough to beat the left and the MSM (BIRM)
Fighting against your own party in addition means he's essentially running as an independent.

If he wins, I will be drunk for 2 days straight after the election.

If Hillary wins, I will have to double my efforts on implementing the Benedict Option

Posted by: McCool at October 11, 2016 02:11 PM (zM9LG)

285 Vote for Trump AND a Democratic House and Senate?

How is that going to work?

Posted by: SteveMG at October 11, 2016 02:11 PM (MMkZy)

286 The last straw for me regarding the GOP was this tape that is so horrible that all thinking GOP candidates must distance themselves from. A Bush cousin leaked this tape. Doesn't take a tin foil hat to figure out that the GOP knew about this tape (and possibly others) regarding Trump during the primaries. Yet they NEVER released it. Why? If you really think Trump is a threat to conservative principles and everything is ideologically pure on their (GOP) part, why not release the tape during the primaries? Was it because they knew that if they torpedoed Trump that Cruz would be the nominee? And according to Hillary would have beat her easily? Anybody who talks about ideological purity and the GOP is a lying a* troll who has not been reading the news. That Trump is the nominee is by GOP design and so is his loss to Hillary. My vote for Trump is honestly payback for everything they have done to the Tea party, conservatives, and for being lying rat bastards. I will NEVER again vote for a republican. EVER.

Posted by: lightning at October 11, 2016 02:11 PM (pwONV)

287 I AM A FILTHY CUNT
Posted by: ACE'S STEPFATHER

Ace was raised by lesbians? Like Tarzan?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 02:11 PM (iFgwk)

288

I'm reading all over the web the depth and breadth of the corruption and I know the Republicans are right there in the mix alongside the Democrats.

"Buy my book!"

We are all played the fools.

"Buy my book!"

Burn it down.

idc anymore

But, hey, "Buy my book!"

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 11, 2016 02:11 PM (qCMvj)

289 while we have to work to make sure we have control of at least one chamber after the election, there is no reason we want ryan to be in charge of anything. he has shown he is willing to surrender evreything and fight for nothing.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 02:11 PM (cPsPa)

290 Can anyone think of an example where something like this has happened before? "

Indeed. Read up on Clay and the feud between the House, Senate, and Executive branches...

Interesting stuff, there.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 02:09 PM (C9pBZ)
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Many think it has been all Marky of Queensbury until 10 years ago and have been thinking that way for at least 70 years.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 11, 2016 02:12 PM (NUqwG)

291 224 "Barbarian" comes from the Latin "barbarus" which means "beard".
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llamabutcher at October 11, 2016 02:04 PM

Yes, the word 'barba' means beard in Latin, but 'barbarian' is from a different root and means to stammer. The foreigner didn't speak like the natives.
The word goes back to Sanskrit.

http://tinyurl.com/ja2ha7q
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Posted by: RondinellaMamma at October 11, 2016 02:12 PM (oQQwD)

292 Obviously neither you understand nuance

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:07 PM (zp+j1)

Ok, explain it to me.Ace's main refrain for the past several weeks is that we must stop Hillary at all costs.Now it's we've got to burn the GOP down.Those are mutually exclusive.
Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 02:09

Not if their in her camp.

I don't like camps. Especially HRC Fun ones.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2016 02:12 PM (89T5c)

293 Paul Tyan had been in DC his entire career. He is a true believer in DC knows best.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 11, 2016 02:12 PM (N5OIo)

294 I just saw a Paul Ryan 'sponsored' post on fakebook:

"Sign the petition to recall Hillary's security clearance."

good luck with that.

Posted by: mallflower Rodham Clinton at October 11, 2016 02:12 PM (TWEt2)

295 You are missing the point.

Some Trump
supprters are enthusiastic about burning down the GOP because the party
has actively sabotaged Trump's chances to win this election. It is they
who are burning down the party by starting the fire.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 11, 2016 02:05 PM (Zu3d9)

So, these supporters now believe Trump cannot win (and therefore stop Hillary) so they're switching to burning it down?This seems much more emotional to me than rational and tactical.

Posted by: gwelf at October 11, 2016 02:12 PM (3CRoX)

296 "NeverTrump"...meet "NeverComingBack" or "ByeB$tches".

Love it. Sign me up.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 11, 2016 02:12 PM (jxbfJ)

297 Vote for Trump AND a Democratic House and Senate?

How is that going to work?
Posted by: SteveMG at October 11, 2016 02:11 PM (MMkZy)

That is NOT what Ace said.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:12 PM (zp+j1)

298 To protest violence against women, I will kneel on their pussies.

Posted by: Colin Kaepernick at October 11, 2016 02:12 PM (iFgwk)

299 Let it burn.

This message brought to you by The Republic of Texas,

Posted by: Skunky Choom at October 11, 2016 02:12 PM (CbGSW)

300 Oh and James O' Keefe - you better not be a c*cktease like that stupid Wikileaks weak @ss sh*t. We want criminally indictable videotapes for Hitlery and her inner campaign staff and we want them now!

Posted by: Publius Redux at October 11, 2016 02:12 PM (Fb9aZ)

301 This is an either/or choice for president. You get to vote for one. Even if you don't vote, you've chosen.

That has zero to do with House and Senate races. But again it's an either/or. And that's for each race.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 11, 2016 02:12 PM (VKHYd)

302 Vote for Trump unless you want a Democrat for president.

But remember vote for Democrats for Congress because something or other.

This is not an argument, Ace, this is a temper tantrum.

Posted by: SteveMG at October 11, 2016 02:13 PM (MMkZy)

303 The funny thing is that when you discard party loyalty, people can feel free to vote for your opponents. Who could have ever predicted that?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at October 11, 2016 02:13 PM (cokY1)

304 "Sign the petition to recall Hillary's security clearance."

good luck with that.
Posted by: mallflower Rodham Clinton at October 11, 2016 02:12 PM (TWEt2)

If they had the guts to impeach her now, she'd be forever disqualified from ANY federal office!

Posted by: Iblis at October 11, 2016 02:13 PM (9221z)

305 Can't wait to see Mikey's special on pitchforks at the outrage outlet

Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at October 11, 2016 02:13 PM (V4XjU)

306 How did Ryan "attack" Trump and how could he have distanced himself without "attacking" Trump?

----

Set him up.

Leaked the film right before the joint appearence, so he could dump and embarrass him.

Dan Senor did the leaking. You might want to google up who Dan Senor is.

Not only was it an attack.... but it was a damn Jap Sneak Attack. So.... stop it with the "this just happened" bullshit. GOPe asswipes that would rather see Hillary elected than have their little corner of the fatted calf come under threat.

Fuck them and fuck those the carry their water. Im sooooo sick of this shit.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2016 02:13 PM (8XRCm)

307 The funny thing is that when you discard party loyalty, people can feel free to vote for your opponents. Who could have ever predicted that?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at October 11, 2016 02:13 PM (cokY1)

Bravo

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:13 PM (zp+j1)

308 You can't have both.

Posted by: gwelf

Maybe not. But I won't settle for less.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 02:14 PM (4ng05)

309 This seems much more emotional to me than rational and tactical.
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Posted by: Seattle Slough at October 11, 2016 02:14 PM (mCz8+)

311 Well, this is it for me. Good bye old friends, I quit. I quit Twitter as I watched friends attempt to destroy each other, then Facebook, now, this, my last place of social media interaction. The illusion of permanence is fast dissipating- I wish you all good luck.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 11, 2016 02:15 PM (mN+tK)

312 perhaps the best response to Hillery becoming pres is to see how little you can earn and still get by. Let's see what happens when tax revenues go way down.

Posted by: mallflower Rodham Clinton at October 11, 2016 02:15 PM (TWEt2)

313 Sorry for the caps, but the tape and republican response to it has ticked me off. I always knew some GOP's were progressives but this stuff with the tape is proof positive that there is no two party system. To paraphrase George Carlin, "It's a big party, but I ain't in it".

Posted by: lightning at October 11, 2016 02:15 PM (pwONV)

314 If anything this race has given you a map of the quislings. Trump may lose, but those people will never have any credibility.

It's like being in a firefight and finding out who you can count on.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 11, 2016 02:15 PM (VKHYd)

315 People seem to want to go back to The Way It Was. That's impossible now. Too many people feel betrayed. The leadership could stand up and say "We hear you! You can trust us now!" and nobody will buy it. Even if Trump wins the damage is too great. I don't like it and I've tried to argue against it but that water has passed beneath the bridge. Chemjeff, AmishDude, lookin' at you: Let. It. Go. There might not be a new party after this but there will definitely be a DIFFERENT party after this.

Posted by: Ghibilline at October 11, 2016 02:15 PM (RD7QR)

316
Ha! Not to these Trumpsters.. he has no responsibility for anything.. So, just shut the fuck up and get in line, bitchez!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 11, 2016 02:10 PM (so+oy)

The Cubs are going to blow it you know

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 11, 2016 02:16 PM (lKyWE)

317 Ugh. Capulet sock off.

Posted by: joncelli, Channeling Hamlet at October 11, 2016 02:16 PM (RD7QR)

318 That fuck senile old bastard from AZ can't vote for trump because of "daughters" but he ignores the treasonous behavior and continues lies form The FAB? So National Security does not matter to his "Daughters"? Or The FAB enabling her raping husband does not matter to his 'Daughters"? Fuck him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:16 PM (zp+j1)

319 Blind party loyalty has not served us well. So from that standpoint, I think a little internal turmoil is a good thing.

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 02:16 PM (gmeXX)

320 I like Walker and it's too bad he does not have the deep pockets to run a race without money men...I also think of ALL people he knows what it's like to face the Dems and their dirty tricks.

The John Doe lawsuits in Wisconsin have finally been put to a stop by the SC. Decent ordinary wiconsinites were threatened, had their homes invaded by armed agents in the middle of the night, and put through holy hell for the "crime" of supporting Walker throughout his series of 3 elections in 5 years.

Walker knows how dangerous the left is and he's not part of the traitor rnc-e movement.

Posted by: Boots at October 11, 2016 02:17 PM (EBwPV)

321 I may never be able to vote again, I hate them all so much.

Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2016 02:17 PM (/m8T6)

322 Trump is an idiot and a fool, but if his presence force the GOP to heal itself and get back to being an actual party that represents the best of America, then the coming electoral loss will be worth it in the long run.

Posted by: MacGruber at October 11, 2016 02:17 PM (S+el1)

323 It's like being in a firefight and finding out who you can count on."

Indeed.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 02:17 PM (C9pBZ)

324 Posts like this are why I read this blog!

Posted by: NativeNH at October 11, 2016 02:17 PM (jL9i3)

325 Walker's father wasn't accused just weeks earlier of being part of the Kennedy assassination either.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 11, 2016 02:10 PM (LgxQn)

We all know Trump is a bull in a china shop. We should also know that Trump came out like that in response to a perceived personal attack on Melania.

Personally, I was saddened by it all and wished the two men had maintained their " bromance".

But in the end, it was a kerfulffle, and Cruz should have been the bigger man, put it aside, and focused on 2024 (hopefully) or 2020 (probably).

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 11, 2016 02:17 PM (ujg0T)

326 The funny thing is that when you discard party loyalty, people can feel free to vote for your opponents. Who could have ever predicted that?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at October 11, 2016 02:13 PM (cokY1)

Bravo
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:13 PM (zp+j1)

Not only that, but you might actually begin to realize that the Democrats have had the same thing happening to them over the years and maybe - just maybe - I don't really hate all of the Democrats like I've been told I should do and maybe - just maybe - there may be some common ground out there that we could agree on - neither Republican or Democrat - but something esoteric like... let's see... saving the country and staying the fuck out of useless and senseless wars.

Just musing, at this point.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 02:17 PM (4ng05)

327 This is so awesome. We are prisoners of mind forged manacles. But the Donald just doesn't care. He is not a career politician. So he can just go into bull-in-a-china-shop mode.

This is the source of his appeal. AllenG stuff.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 02:18 PM (iFgwk)

328 There might not be a new party after this but there will definitely be a DIFFERENT party after this.

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Maybe. Or this could just be a moment in time.

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 02:18 PM (gmeXX)

329 So from that standpoint, I think a little internal turmoil is a good thing."

Hush. Don't you know that's emotional or something?

Heh.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 02:18 PM (C9pBZ)

330
Let's check in with Thomas Paine:

Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness positively by uniting our affections, the latter negatively by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher.

Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamities is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 11, 2016 02:18 PM (ODxAs)

331 In post WWII elections, most have been close. Several have swung -- and dramatically so -- in the last month.

I still believe that Trump will win the media war in the end.

He's fighting for us. She's fighting for her.

Enough Americans will figure this out.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 11, 2016 02:18 PM (r1fLd)

332 I've spent probably the last 30 years dealing with people in Washington. So may the stories of McCain's mosh grabbing come out in public soon. The stories of him and Kennedy are legend.

There are quite a few more of these people in Congress professing shock who have done far worse. I hope that comes out to.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 11, 2016 02:19 PM (VKHYd)

333 Ha! Not to these Trumpsters.. he has no responsibility for anything.. So, just shut the fuck up and get in line, bitchez!

*runs screaming after being set on fire*

Posted by: Strawman at October 11, 2016 02:19 PM (NF2Bf)

334 We'll start a new party the Freedom United Party.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 11, 2016 02:19 PM (N5OIo)

335 I am Donald Trump.

Posted by: James at October 11, 2016 02:20 PM (M9gRj)

336 Cruz should have been the bigger man, put it aside, and focused on 2024 (hopefully) or 2020 (probably).
===========================

Maybe so, but lets be real, anyone here would have declared peace probably only after Trump kissed his pucker ring.

Its all in the past now anyway. Focus on the future.

Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2016 02:20 PM (/m8T6)

337 Let's check in with Thomas Paine:'

Hey, that's like what, a hundred years old or something?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 02:20 PM (C9pBZ)

338 So the decision is to burn it down? Well alrighty then I'm on board with that as long as we also plan to throw sand in the Left's gears while we are at it.
I mean what are the ways we can make things spin out of control for the left? I mean the Left wants to tear this country down and rebuild it the way they want, which means they don't want things spinning out of the path they set forward ie they want to tear things down while at the same time putting a replacement in place that keeps things at least at status quo until the new structure is in place and running then Progress. What are the plans to tear apart their plans and structures so they don't function?

Posted by: southdakotaboy at October 11, 2016 02:20 PM (JaJ3u)

339 Oh and James O' Keefe - you better not be a c*cktease like that stupid Wikileaks weak @ss sh*t. We want criminally indictable videotapes for Hitlery and her inner campaign staff and we want them now!
Posted by: Publius Redux at October 11, 2016 02:12 PM (Fb9aZ)

That press conference a week and a half ago was content free for sure, but their dumps the past few days have been the real deal

Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at October 11, 2016 02:20 PM (V4XjU)

340 Well...here's the thing about voting against Ryan...

It's a win/win.

If Trump wins and Ryan loses, then we have the chance to get a SOTH that might actually help Trump get some of his changes/programs passed,

instead of blocking him at every point along the way.

Plus, it's a big ole warning sign to the GOPe/RINO types that their turn is next if they don't shape up.

If Hillary! wins and Ryan loses, then we might get a SOTH to fight her tooth and nail and deny her the opportunity to damage this country and the middle class further. We all know Ryan will lay down and be the Welcome Mat to any Democrat legislation just like with Obama.

Plus again, it's a big ole warning sign to the GOPe/RINO types that their turn is next if they don't shape up and do their jobs blocking Hillary and rolling back Dim/Obama legislation.

Win/win.

There is zero downside to voting Ryan out of office.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 11, 2016 02:21 PM (0cMkb)

341 339 We'll start a new party the Freedom United Party.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 11, 2016 02:19 PM (N5OIo)

WAAAY to close to FUPA.

Posted by: joncelli, Channeling Hamlet at October 11, 2016 02:21 PM (RD7QR)

342 But remember vote for Democrats for Congress because something or other.

This is not an argument, Ace, this is a temper tantrum.

Posted by: SteveMG at October 11, 2016 02:13 PM (MMkZy)

-------------------------------------------------------

He did not say that...just vote out Ryan. The message would be sent. Plus it is payback for the crap they did down in Mississippi during the Senate race. Remember how they pushed Democrats to vote the GOP primary?

So I guess we can vote for democrats in a few house districts too..right? If it is ok for Haley, Rove and Co. it should be ok for us to do it too?

Posted by: William Eaton at October 11, 2016 02:21 PM (KhJh8)

343 I still believe that Trump will win the media war in the end.

---

My hope too.

But.... to steal another Morons analogy..... there are too many Benedict Arnolds that are willing to give West Point to the British so they can still be in charge of it under British rule.

Firing squad is too good for that level of sniveling shit weasel.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2016 02:21 PM (8XRCm)

344 Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:16 PM (zp+j1)
The irony of it is, I know somebody who refused to vote for McCain in '08 due to one of their friend's personal and direct knowledge of McCain's vulgar language and well beyond Trumpian personality in private.

I trust implicitly that material of this kind exists on McCain but was never made necessary in '08. Because he was willing to lose with grace, y'see.

Posted by: Sporkatus at October 11, 2016 02:21 PM (eXSOZ)

345 I mentioned this in the earlier thread but Cruz and Rubio sticking w/ Trump - they, at least, can see the disaster that a Hillary presidency will bring. So, kudos to the both of them for having the foresight and courage.

Posted by: IC at October 11, 2016 02:21 PM (a0IVu)

346 It is not the responsibility of the Republican voters who have been vilified by the GOP for decades to kiss GOP arse.....it should be the other way around.

If the Republican party were smart they would have rallied around Trump for the entire campaign against Hillary.

But, as usual their ass kissing of the Dems and their media have destroyed our/their party.

Posted by: Pam at October 11, 2016 02:21 PM (cF0hS)

347 All of this talk of stepping down and harrumphing is hilarious, especially when there was so much outrage and tut-tutting over getting Miss Piggy to step down.

Posted by: Fritz at October 11, 2016 02:21 PM (2Mnv1)

348 By all means. Let's go full- retard in support of Trump as his campaign re- enacts the last moments of the Hindenburg.

Posted by: Dukeboy01 at October 11, 2016 02:22 PM (N13RO)

349 Awww...Little Paulie Ryan, all grown up.

Nice career you got goin' there pal.

Posted by: Max Power at October 11, 2016 02:22 PM (QCc6B)

350 302
Vote for Trump unless you want a Democrat for president.

But remember vote for Democrats for Congress because something or other.

This is not an argument, Ace, this is a temper tantrum.

Posted by: SteveMG at October 11, 2016 02:13 PM (MMkZy)

Saving the Supreme Court is sooooo important you guys! The House? Meh.

Posted by: reform highlander at October 11, 2016 02:22 PM (jCH/T)

351 283 Did I miss anyone?

Mark Kirk - IL

Posted by: Boots at October 11, 2016 02:22 PM (EBwPV)

352 "Vote for Ryan's Democratic opponent, whoever that is. Boot him out of Congress, and badly damage any hopes he has to be president anytime soon."

I'm not falling for this shit again.

I was all aboard the anti-GOPe resistance with the understanding that the goal was electing people who would campaign and govern as conservatives. As it turns out, the alternative is Trump.

I don't have a dog in this pissing match between Trump and and Ryan, or their respective wings of the party. Screw them both, I'm not going to war against one on behalf of the other.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at October 11, 2016 02:22 PM (egK2C)

353 278 Here's what I get from this election year, and what I think is happening:

1. The GOP is breaking up. It needed to. The globalist GOPe has sold out the people, and the people have had enough.

2. Whatever happens on Nov 8th, win or lose, Trump started a movement. He may or may not be the best custodian of that movement, but the movement will outlive him. Other, stronger, leaders will arise to lead the movement, whether Trump does or not.

3. As a result of this movement the middle class, particularly the white working middle class which has been completely disenfranchised, will now have their own political party separate from the GOP.

4. The country is truly breaking apart. 5 years ago I would have laughed at anybody who proposed something so silly and told them to go find their tinfoil hat. I'm not laughing anymore. The country is breaking up.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at October 11, 2016 02:10 PM (1zARK)

THIS. Except that #2 is slightly wrong--Trump is clearly *not* the best custodian of the movement. But he was the FIRST custodian, and then Cruz, who I preferred, chimed in, IIRC.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 11, 2016 02:22 PM (ujg0T)

354 MUMR needs to step back from the meth.

Posted by: joncelli, Channeling Hamlet at October 11, 2016 02:22 PM (RD7QR)

355 If Trump loses, he should start his own party - MAGA

Posted by: IC at October 11, 2016 02:22 PM (a0IVu)

356 Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamities is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer!
Posted by: Guy Mohawk

This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Lois Lerner at October 11, 2016 02:22 PM (iFgwk)

357 We'll start a new party the Freedom United Party.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 11, 2016 02:19 PM (N5OIo)

These guys?

https://vimeo.com/170385065

Posted by: RioBravo at October 11, 2016 02:22 PM (NUqwG)

358 336
Enough Americans will figure this out.

Posted by: Ignoramus

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

My advice to you is to keep your eye on any sales involving liquor and buy, buy, buy. If you can stay whacked out through November, I think you'll be OK.

Posted by: Skunky Choom at October 11, 2016 02:22 PM (CbGSW)

359 >>Posts like this are why I read this blog!

Needs More Cake Girl

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2016 02:22 PM (J82wy)

360 >>He's fighting for us. She's fighting for her.

Enough Americans will figure this out.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 11, 2016 02:18 PM (r1fLd)<<
Hate to break it to you, but they are both fighting for themselves. If you want a populist revolt, pick someone better than a millionaire who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth who just decided to become a Republican a couple of years ago. And started caring about the little people about a year ago.

Posted by: MacGruber at October 11, 2016 02:23 PM (S+el1)

361 Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:16 PM (zp+j1)
The irony of it is, I know somebody who refused to vote for McCain in '08 due to one of their friend's personal and direct knowledge of McCain's vulgar language and well beyond Trumpian personality in private.

I trust implicitly that material of this kind exists on McCain but was never made necessary in '08. Because he was willing to lose with grace, y'see.
Posted by: Sporkatus at October 11, 2016 02:21 PM (eXSOZ)

Who hasn't used that language...especially anyone in the Military.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:23 PM (zp+j1)

362 Saving the Supreme Court is sooooo important you guys! The House? Meh.

------------

In fairness, one has become a lot more powerful than the other.

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 02:23 PM (gmeXX)

363 Posted by: ACE'S STEPFATHER at October 11, 2016 02:20 PM
<<<

HOMO

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 11, 2016 02:23 PM (ODxAs)

364 So the decision is to burn it down? Well alrighty then I'm on board with that as long as we also plan to throw sand in the Left's gears while we are at it.
I mean what are the ways we can make things spin out of control for the left? I mean the Left wants to tear this country down and rebuild it the way they want, which means they don't want things spinning out of the path they set forward ie they want to tear things down while at the same time putting a replacement in place that keeps things at least at status quo until the new structure is in place and running then Progress. What are the plans to tear apart their plans and structures so they don't function?
Posted by: southdakotaboy at October 11, 2016 02:20 PM (JaJ3u)

exactly

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 02:23 PM (cPsPa)

365 The will of the people be damned! Don't become a cultist to Trump! We know what's best and you must follow us blindly!

Posted by: Paul Ryan and the GOP "leadership" at October 11, 2016 02:23 PM (z/Ubi)

366 So lets keep telling ourselves that the Rats that sold us out for last 8 years to stay on power will vote any different against Hillary and tell everyone in 4 more years it will be different!!!1 Rather have a honest ( yea I know democrat and honesty ha ha ha) opponent than a back stabbing weasel in office that keeps telling us that tomorrow it will be different! Tomorrow came and went: nothing changed!!!!!!11

Posted by: jhaley59 at October 11, 2016 02:23 PM (f4z3u)

367 Those commenters at Hot Air are full of the crazy - they must listen to Glenn Beck or something.

Posted by: Deplorable Bonnie Blue at October 11, 2016 02:23 PM (ZXK8H)

368 Gee, folks, let's try to be a bit less extreme in our reaction to what Ace wrote.

Is your Congressman Paul Ryan? No? Then he is not urging you to vote for the Democrat in your Congressional District.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at October 11, 2016 02:24 PM (cokY1)

369 Crime butchers innocence to secure a throne, and innocence struggles with all its might against the attempts of crime.

Sound like this election to you? Its a Robespierre quote from the era before the heads started rolling.

Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2016 02:24 PM (/m8T6)

370 Looks like some people are getting paid by the post.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 11, 2016 02:24 PM (r1fLd)

371
Freedom
United
Party
Alliance

Posted by: Fritz at October 11, 2016 02:24 PM (2Mnv1)

372 We need to get our heads around the fact that whatever happens this November is going to happen, and it's going to be bad. It is now time to plan for 2020 and beyond. The media hides the fact that Obama destroyed the democrat party, loss of the house, senate, and a majority of state legislatures and governorships. When Hillary wins, she will finish it off. All of Obama's chickens are coming home to roost. The mideast is heading toward anarchy as the number of failed states continue to increase providing fertile ground for terror groups to operate. Putin will undoubtedly press his advantage in Crimea and his influence with Syria. China will continue to flex its military muscle in the South China Sea and throughout Southeast Asia. But the next president will have little to counter with as Obama also gutted the military (another non-story to the media). Obamacare is in its death spiral, and the democrats have killed the healthcare insurance industry. And all of Hillary's ideas will only increase the national debt, which is already a millstone around the economy's neck. The jobless recovery will continue.
Don't begrudge Ryan or the rest of the Republicans for trying to figure a way through the minefield they are now in. They have been trained for decades that when a Republican says something politically incorrect, they are gone. No Republican politician could survive Trump's tape or serial stupidities (picking on the Khan family, former Ms. Universe, John McCain, etc.). Our anger needs to be at Trump for running such a crappy campaign. He has blown opportunity after opportunity to the point one has to ask if he is not intentionally losing this race. At some point, winning elections is about addition. Who has Trump courted? Who has he added to form a winning coalition? Ryan is trying to figure out a way to win enough local elections to hold onto the House. That's his job. Trump's willingness to 'go to war' on Ryan shows he is just in this for himself and fundamentally doesn't care about the Republican Party. He doesn't care if he destroys the Republican party and neither do many of his supporters. Ryan is trying to figure out how to attract the growing number of minorities into the Republican fold as well as how to attract younger voters. This requires more than attacking the failed policies of the Democrat party. Trump spent the majority of his life in the safe cocoon of leftwing democrat politics. Why should anybody, ACE included, blame actual conservatives for not supporting this ass hat?

Posted by: IanDeal at October 11, 2016 02:24 PM (teGBX)

373 MUMR needs to step back from the meth.
Posted by: joncelli

My theory is that ace spent a whole drunken weekend thinking of "MUMR substitutions" and then had one of the cobs write a minx script that picks one at random and overwrites MUMR's posts as they occur.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 02:24 PM (iFgwk)

374 "How did Ryan "attack" Trump and how could he have distanced himself without "attacking" Trump?"

How? "I don't agree with the sentiments Mr. Trump expressed in a private conversation and I am appalled that a private conversation was recorded in such a fashion." And then blabbity blab politician speak.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Support the Arts! Do the Monster Mish at the Outrage Outlet! at October 11, 2016 02:25 PM (hLRSq)

375 Is your Congressman Paul Ryan? No?

----

No.... but he's my Speaker.

Its time he fucking started to act like it.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2016 02:25 PM (8XRCm)

376 I respectfully disagree with Ace here. The image of super smug Nancy Pelosi taking that victory lap as a symbolic FU with the gavel when Dems controlled everything in 2009-2010 is enough for me to support the GOP keeping the House, including Ryan keeping his seat. Ryan may be weak, but Pelosi/Hoyer/Cummings are pure evil. Sorry.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 11, 2016 02:25 PM (OD2ni)

377 It's so important that we stop Hillary that we should vote for an imbecile con artist, but handing Congress to the Democrats is fine? This makes no logical sense. Handing Congress to the Democrats gives Hillary a blank check.

Posted by: Raul Johnson at October 11, 2016 02:25 PM (MiBr0)

378 "Whatever happens on Nov 8th, win or lose, Trump started a movement. He
may or may not be the best custodian of that movement, but the movement
will outlive him. Other, stronger, leaders will arise to lead the
movement, whether Trump does or not."

I had this, in almost exactly the same words, said to me by an ardent Perot-bot after the '92 election. Man, that Reform Party sure turned into an electoral juggernaut once other, stronger leaders arose to lead it, eh?

"The country is truly
breaking apart. 5 years ago I would have laughed at anybody who proposed
something so silly and told them to go find their tinfoil hat. I'm not
laughing anymore. The country is breaking up."

Well, with that, we're on the same page again.

As I have been saying for a while now, there isn't any option left about holding the USA together any longer. The only choice left on the table is whether our national dissolution is peaceful or not.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 11, 2016 02:25 PM (noWW6)

379 >>He did not say that...just vote out Ryan. The
message would be sent. Plus it is payback for the crap they did down in
Mississippi during the Senate race. Remember how they pushed Democrats
to vote the GOP primary?

So I guess we can vote for democrats in a few house districts
too..right? If it is ok for Haley, Rove and Co. it should be ok for us
to do it too?

Posted by: William Eaton at October 11, 2016 02:21 PM (KhJh

<<

I thought we sent that message when voting our Cantor? How'd that work out?

Posted by: MacGruber at October 11, 2016 02:26 PM (S+el1)

380 Look at the math it's going to take for Dems to win the House. It ain't gonna happen. That's pure bullshit.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 11, 2016 02:26 PM (VKHYd)

381 Wow, this blog has become a complete joke. Done wasting my time here.

Posted by: The Governor at October 11, 2016 02:26 PM (Ib5sz)

382 And before the usual suspects chime in, I'm anti-Trump, not NeverTrump. If he is still within striking distance by election day, I'll vote for him. I'm just saying there's no point in going nuclear against Ryan without the promise of tangible desired results.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at October 11, 2016 02:26 PM (egK2C)

383 My God people why are you talking about "electoral loss"?

This isn't in the bag for Hillary and Trump still has the same chances of winning he's always had.

Man up you pussies.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 11, 2016 02:26 PM (N5OIo)

384 We need to get our heads around the fact that whatever happens this November is going to happen, and it's going to be bad. It is now time to plan for 2020 and beyond. The media hides the fact that Obama destroyed the democrat party, loss of the house, senate, and a majority of state legislatures and governorships. When Hillary wins, she will finish it off. All of Obama's chickens are coming home to roost. The mideast is heading toward anarchy as the number of failed states continue to increase providing fertile ground for terror groups to operate. Putin will undoubtedly press his advantage in Crimea and his influence with Syria. China will continue to flex its military muscle in the South China Sea and throughout Southeast Asia. But the next president will have little to counter with as Obama also gutted the military (another non-story to the media). Obamacare is in its death spiral, and the democrats have killed the healthcare insurance industry. And all of Hillary's ideas will only increase the national debt, which is already a millstone around the economy's neck. The jobless recovery will continue.
Don't begrudge Ryan or the rest of the Republicans for trying to figure a way through the minefield they are now in. They have been trained for decades that when a Republican says something politically incorrect, they are gone. No Republican politician could survive Trump's tape or serial stupidities (picking on the Khan family, former Ms. Universe, John McCain, etc.). Our anger needs to be at Trump for running such a crappy campaign. He has blown opportunity after opportunity to the point one has to ask if he is not intentionally losing this race. At some point, winning elections is about addition. Who has Trump courted? Who has he added to form a winning coalition? Ryan is trying to figure out a way to win enough local elections to hold onto the House. That's his job. Trump's willingness to 'go to war' on Ryan shows he is just in this for himself and fundamentally doesn't care about the Republican Party. He doesn't care if he destroys the Republican party and neither do many of his supporters. Ryan is trying to figure out how to attract the growing number of minorities into the Republican fold as well as how to attract younger voters. This requires more than attacking the failed policies of the Democrat party. Trump spent the majority of his life in the safe cocoon of leftwing democrat politics. Why should anybody, ACE included, blame actual conservatives for not supporting this ass hat?

Posted by: IanDeal at October 11, 2016 02

The color of the sky in your world is?

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2016 02:26 PM (89T5c)

385 Trump is not the problem. He may not even be the solution. But the truth is, a solution will not be forthcoming out of the government that we have now.

The government is too damned big. It runs by inertia whereby the only solution to any problem is money and we don't have any more unencumbered money. Virtually all money now is financed and we can't afford the interest rate - even at near 0%.

They can't account for $9.3 trillion out of the Pentagon since 2001. The Pentagon just lost $6.6 billion. These are only symptoms. They have no answers. It is a practical impossibility to manage a government that is so big.

Trump may not be the answer. That's a fact. But another fact is that the status quo is definitely only going to perpetuate things getting worse.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 02:26 PM (4ng05)

386 We need to get our heads around the fact that whatever happens this November is going to happen, and it's going to be bad. It is now time to plan for 2020 and beyond. The media hides the fact that Obama destroyed the democrat party, loss of the house, senate, and a majority of state legislatures and governorships. When Hillary wins, she will finish it off. All of Obama's chickens are coming home to roost. The mideast is heading toward anarchy as the number of failed states continue to increase providing fertile ground for terror groups to operate. Putin will undoubtedly press his advantage in Crimea and his influence with Syria. China will continue to flex its military muscle in the South China Sea and throughout Southeast Asia. But the next president will have little to counter with as Obama also gutted the military (another non-story to the media). Obamacare is in its death spiral, and the democrats have killed the healthcare insurance industry. And all of Hillary's ideas will only increase the national debt, which is already a millstone around the economy's neck. The jobless recovery will continue.
Don't begrudge Ryan or the rest of the Republicans for trying to figure a way through the minefield they are now in. They have been trained for decades that when a Republican says something politically incorrect, they are gone. No Republican politician could survive Trump's tape or serial stupidities (picking on the Khan family, former Ms. Universe, John McCain, etc.). Our anger needs to be at Trump for running such a crappy campaign. He has blown opportunity after opportunity to the point one has to ask if he is not intentionally losing this race. At some point, winning elections is about addition. Who has Trump courted? Who has he added to form a winning coalition? Ryan is trying to figure out a way to win enough local elections to hold onto the House. That's his job. Trump's willingness to 'go to war' on Ryan shows he is just in this for himself and fundamentally doesn't care about the Republican Party. He doesn't care if he destroys the Republican party and neither do many of his supporters. Ryan is trying to figure out how to attract the growing number of minorities into the Republican fold as well as how to attract younger voters. This requires more than attacking the failed policies of the Democrat party. Trump spent the majority of his life in the safe cocoon of leftwing democrat politics. Why should anybody, ACE included, blame actual conservatives for not supporting this ass hat?
Posted by: IanDeal at October 11, 2016 02:24 PM (teGBX)

what is that lorem ipsum?

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 02:26 PM (cPsPa)

387 Oh, I'm not a slave; I volunteered.

Posted by: GOPe chained galley oarsman at October 11, 2016 02:27 PM (LdMbv)

388 Bluebell, moki and miley's deploarables... I'm in VA 11 we should all do lunch!

Comstock came out early Friday denouncing Trump. If I were in her district I'd at least see who's running against her. But things are so close in PWC it's hard to give any more ground to the dems.

Posted by: Beth M at October 11, 2016 02:27 PM (kiy9d)

389 The Republican leadership are a bunch of politically correct snowflakes.They have no courage or integrity. This is Hillary Clinton for God's sake. Trump may say bad things but HRC does bad things. She is evil, self serving, and a non convicted felon. She is the evil witch of the west..squared. Think Syria, think E-mails,think Clinton Foundation..Think.
Trump may not be a great candidate..and that's on the leadership also..but nothing he has said or done has gotten people killed. If elected, HRC will pillage and plunder and our country will be the worse for it.

Posted by: Jim Killian at October 11, 2016 02:27 PM (cyg76)

390 He did not say that...just vote out Ryan. The message would be sent. Plus it is payback for the crap they did down in Mississippi during the Senate race. Remember how they pushed Democrats to vote the GOP primary?

So I guess we can vote for democrats in a few house districts too..right? If it is ok for Haley, Rove and Co. it should be ok for us to do it too?

Posted by: William Eaton at October 11, 2016 02:21 PM (KhJh

Actually...I get it. I'd never cast a vote for a Democrat again, but as the host has been saying, staying home or voting 3rd is the same thing. Is there an independent in the race who fits with your values? Whatever your reasons, the message the candidate gets is the same.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at October 11, 2016 02:27 PM (kZVsz)

391 There is no reason to expect a Ryan-led House to oppose Clinton. In fact, the reasonable expectation is that Ryan will lie his ass off while doing everything he possibly can do to support her.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 11, 2016 01:53 PM (97XyN)

This.
You have Republicans openly voting for and supporting the Democrat nominee, including the former president and many of his former staff. You have what, 21 Republicans who all said they were refusing to vote for Trump and said so publicly right after an 11 year old tape was leaked that was recorded secretly in which a real estate developer who was not a politician is recorded in a bragging contest with a talk show host over what he could do with no argument from women who were chasing him for his money.

So now I am to believe that Ryan and his band of merry Republicans that want to vote with the Democrats as often as possible "to get things done" are going to fight anything the Democrat woman they voted for wants to do?

And we are to support them, because, GOP?

Posted by: Jen the original at October 11, 2016 02:27 PM (ntZAP)

392 Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:23 PM (zp+j1)

Oh certainly. I didn't say the revelation made me *not* vote for McCain, only that it did for her. Politics over the person, though of course McCain is a shitweasel in both respects and the vaguely right-leaning LIV take on '08 was that it was "maverick" McCain vs. Oh So Libertarian Totes And For Real Obama.

So anyway, a hypocrite without personal grace or integrity. Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Sporkatus at October 11, 2016 02:27 PM (eXSOZ)

393 Can somebody please ban that Ace's family troll? Where is the fly swatter anyway?

Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2016 02:27 PM (/m8T6)

394 I'm just saying there's no point in going nuclear against Ryan without the promise of tangible desired results.

---------------

Would agree, but then again, their desired results may be different than mine (or their actual desired results are different than what I thought their purported results were).

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 02:28 PM (gmeXX)

395 Paul Ryan would never "Walk Point" for the platoon. The guy would surrender and RAT out his units position as soon as incoming fire starts. He is a "White Flag" MAGGOT.

Posted by: Excelsior at October 11, 2016 02:28 PM (Xe/5+)

396 Can't stand pieces of shit like Ryan that use Conservatism to get elected thus giving people critical of his type ammo to label Conservatism as something it is not. Not a MF'ing thing conservative about the Repub/GOPe. Nothing.

Posted by: JROD at October 11, 2016 02:28 PM (kxUnS)

397 Wow, this blog has become a complete joke. Done wasting my time here.
Posted by: The Governor at October 11, 2016 02:26 PM (Ib5sz)

Don't let the fucking door hit your sissy ass on the way out.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2016 02:28 PM (89T5c)

398 It's good to see that the GOPe has a troll budget too and not just Hillary.

See? The GOP is trying!

Posted by: andycanuck at October 11, 2016 02:28 PM (LdMbv)

399 Wow, this blog has become a complete joke. Done wasting my time here.
Posted by: The Governor at October 11, 2016 02:26 PM (Ib5sz)

Aw fuck! No! No don't leave! Oh my god! What will we do without you?

Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at October 11, 2016 02:28 PM (V4XjU)

400 respectfully disagree with Ace here. The image of super smug Nancy Pelosi taking that victory lap as a symbolic FU with the gavel when Dems controlled everything in 2009-2010 is enough for me to support the GOP keeping the House, including Ryan keeping his seat. Ryan may be weak, but Pelosi/Hoyer/Cummings are pure evil. Sorry.
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 11, 2016 02:25 PM (OD2ni)

We are NOT talking about giving away the House to the Left...Ace is talking about punishing ONE traitor RYAN..His seat is NOT the deciding seat. If he loses and he will not unfortunetaly, there will just be another Republican Speaker...With our luck another RAT, but maybe this one will get the message?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:28 PM (zp+j1)

401 >>Saving the Supreme Court is sooooo important you guys! The House? Meh.

Posted by: reform highlander at October 11, 2016 02:22 PM (jCH/T)<<

That's just what President Clinton wants: a Democratic house. You think the budgets are bad now? Just see what happens when a Democratic house gives her carte blanche...

Posted by: MacGruber at October 11, 2016 02:28 PM (S+el1)

402 They're coming out of the woodwork.

Posted by: Fritz at October 11, 2016 02:28 PM (2Mnv1)

403 War!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 11, 2016 02:28 PM (QQ+il)

404 Gwelf, w (my that's creative) and Pam. Are there any new trolls today I missed?

Posted by: Czar Peter at October 11, 2016 02:29 PM (O3jhK)

405 Good God, y'all.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 11, 2016 02:29 PM (QQ+il)

406 BURN IT ALL DOWN!!!!

As Trump is doing.

Posted by: A.S. at October 11, 2016 02:29 PM (0tbQ4)

407 Some of you people must have flunked math

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:29 PM (zp+j1)

408 Wow - Ace. Your stepdad is definitely smoking some pretty heavy grass there! Better get him back into rehab.

Again as to Ryan and the GOPe: I reiterate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q

348 Kari - I am not overly impressed with docu dumps over the last few days. It is all stuff we know:

"Wow! Hitlery wants a one world government with open borders for all?" "Wow - Didn't know that!"

"Wow, Hitlery hated Sanders and her people called him a dirty joo? "Wow, didn't know that."

Wow! Hitlery and the Democrats illegally coordinated with super pacs and their friends in the media? " Wow! I didn't know that!!!!"

Except that I do know that - everyone who supports Hitlery knows that - they don't care. We need something that a DA somewhere can arrest her or her family for and put them in jail. And we need it pronto. Something that the media simply cannot ignore. And what is out so far is not that.

Just sayin'

Posted by: Publius Redux at October 11, 2016 02:29 PM (Fb9aZ)

409 Comment: 366 by jhaley59 at October 11, 2016 02:23 PM (f4z3u)

Thanks. This is why I will no longer vote republican. I truly do not see a point. And to those who argue otherwise; please illustrate exactly how having a Republican majority has done anything that was requested of them? Please give examples because I can't come up with a single thing they have accomplished to either stop the Obama/progressive agenda or to aid ordinary Americans. All I hear from them is "I can't do it" "It's too hard". I don't get that much whining from my kids.

Posted by: lightning at October 11, 2016 02:29 PM (pwONV)

410 You people are idiots. While the GOP has been lackluster at best while in Congress under the Obama presidency, they have stopped quite a large number of socialist bills by him and the Dems.

Paycheck Fairness Act, DISCLOSE, affordable loans act.. they sued Obama over the recess appointments to the NLRB.

To think they could have done more with a Dem like Obama in office is wishful thinking.

But you dipshits want to put Hillary into the White House and now give her a Dem Congress too? Single payer.. full medical for all the lowlifes.. free tuition.. immigration reform with pure amnesty.

And now Ace is spearheading this movement. Jesus H. Eff'n Christ.. idiots.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 11, 2016 02:29 PM (so+oy)

411
heh heh, auto-trolls out and about today. Lotta never-been-heres saying they aren't coming back.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 11, 2016 02:29 PM (ODxAs)

412
This makes no logical sense. Handing Congress to the Democrats gives Hillary a blank check.

Pretty much just like obama has had the last six years with a republican controlled congress

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 11, 2016 02:29 PM (lKyWE)

413 Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2016 02:27 PM (/m8T6)

The comments go poof after a minute or so....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 11, 2016 02:30 PM (Zu3d9)

414 The Governor

Jeb?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 11, 2016 02:30 PM (QQ+il)

415 The Governor is out...

The Governor IS OUT!?

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2016 02:30 PM (J82wy)

416 That hotair link. It's like seeing the aholes in Animal House get their comeuppance. FINALLY.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 02:30 PM (iFgwk)

417 Ryan and his loved ones will never ever have to live with the human garbage that terrorizes the rest of us so what does he care if we suffer - his donors are happy.

Posted by: Nora at October 11, 2016 02:30 PM (4sT4b)

418 Who hasn't used that language...especially anyone in the Military.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:23 PM (zp+j1)

99% of everyone on the planet, if only to look cool, has used that language. Men and women, gay and straight.

Doesn't make it right, but allowing oneself to be offended through righteous indignation is laughable.

Not to mention hypocritical as fuck.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 02:30 PM (4ng05)

419 If he is still within striking distance by election day, I'll vote for him.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at October 11, 2016 02:26 PM (egK2C)

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Yet another principally unprincipled Principlinarian?

Posted by: RioBravo at October 11, 2016 02:30 PM (NUqwG)

420 And before the usual suspects chime in, I'm anti-Trump, not NeverTrump. If he is still within striking distance by election day, I'll vote for him. I'm just saying there's no point in going nuclear against Ryan without the promise of tangible desired results.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at October 11, 2016 02:26 PM (egK2C)

well, the tangible result is to bring the wayward legislators to heel and remind them who holds the leash. ryan seems to think he is ruling not representing.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 02:30 PM (cPsPa)

421 333
There might not be a new party after this but there will definitely be a DIFFERENT party after this.

Maybe, but I doubt it. I feel like the Republican elite are too entrenched and too tone-deaf to accept change.

There will be a third party, made up of mostly middle class whites who have been disenfranchised, along with maybe some libertarians and small "C" conservatives.

I know what you're going to say: "So the right will never win another election." Maybe, but you have to see what's happening in the country to understand that this isn't true, or won't be for long.

The Dems have created a country where every single sector of society feels like it is it's own little country, and feels no loyalty to any other group.

There are no Americans anymore. There are Latinos, Gays, Blacks, White Liberal Academics, etc. Each one of these groups feels like it is it's own tribe and doesn't feel any loyalty to America as whole. The upshot of this is that soon none of these groups will feel the need to be a part of a big monolithic democratic party anymore. They will each want their OWN political parties to pursue their own special interests.

30 years from now I see the US as a country (if it still is one country, which I kind of doubt) like Italy, where there a 20 or 30 different parties and in order to govern you need to patch together a coalition of 5 or 6 of them to win an election. And the coalitions are volatile, always falling apart and reforming every cycle.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at October 11, 2016 02:30 PM (1zARK)

422 GET YOUR MARS TO MY ASS

I laughed out loud.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 11, 2016 02:31 PM (QQ+il)

423 398 Jen

Amen sister. Amen I say to you.

Posted by: Publius Redux at October 11, 2016 02:31 PM (Fb9aZ)

424 Jeepers. A whole lot of willful misunderstanding of Ace's point, coupled with some epic flouncing departures.

And MUMR

Posted by: Confused Donny at October 11, 2016 02:31 PM (RwwCT)

425 gwelf, your comments are soooo GOPe/Correct the Record.

Just saying.

That said, fuck Ryan. with a pineapple. sideways. repeatedly. Never before has a Speaker of the House turned against his or her party's nominee. As noted, he has glommed onto every alleged Trump atrocity, even the fake ones like the Star of David bullshit. His advisor is apparently responsible for the pussy tape, conveniently released so Ryan could publicly disinvite Trump from a joint appearance. Heaven knows what he has done that we do not know of (pssst Wikileaks, a little help here?).

Fuck the GOP party as well with the same pineapple in the same fashion. They got the House and Senate and fucked us and our kids and their kids.

The bright side is that Trump is going to win and these quislings will have their gravy train and power trip come to an end. With the official bully pulpit, Trump will make sure of that.

His run has nothing to do with his ego except as below. The US is broke and he wants to fix it. He has busted his ass 24/7 and put his life and his family's life on the line when he could have just played golf, lived in luxury and boned his hawt wife. He instead has taken on the virtual world to MAGA. His ego will be satiated only when he does what he has set out to do. MAGA.

God willing, he will get that started in a material way. Watch.

Posted by: oddknot is pissed now at October 11, 2016 02:31 PM (g1MTt)

426 And I'm done with it. Bye folks, this used to be an interesting site at times.

Posted by: Conspiracy Thinking is a Disease at October 11, 2016 02:31 PM (qdQL/)

427 388 Wow, this blog has become a complete joke. Done wasting my time here.

Posted by: The Governor at October 11, 2016 02:26 PM (Ib5sz)
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I like wasting my time here.

Posted by: Weasel at October 11, 2016 02:32 PM (6xtq3)

428 Well ... bye.

Posted by: Curly Bill at October 11, 2016 02:32 PM (QQ+il)

429 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 11, 2016 02:29 PM (so+oy)

Again and for the 20th time, Ace is talking about ONE,1, Ackad seat. NOT the whole Congress. Get it?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:32 PM (zp+j1)

430 Goodness; we have regular trolls, new trolls, schizophrenic trolls..I've never seen such a variety of trolls in one thread.

Posted by: IC at October 11, 2016 02:32 PM (a0IVu)

431 Given where we are politically we will obviously see the Democrats ideal of a "soft police state" come to full fruition. Censorship, abrogated religious rights, no real second amendment, centralized administrative government, federal control of all aspects of life and taxation created and enforced by federal agencies. Local government will be completely marginalized and even the federal legislature will be for periodic kabuki shows only.

Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2016 02:32 PM (/m8T6)

432 And I'm done with it. Bye folks, this used to be an interesting site at times.
Posted by: Conspiracy Thinking is a Disease at October 11, 2016 02:31 PM (qdQL/)

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What??? Leaving???

But you just got here???

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2016 02:33 PM (8XRCm)

433 Sprays Sock-B-Gone

Posted by: Pug Mahon of the Clan Deplorable at October 11, 2016 02:33 PM (RwwCT)

434 I'm done with it. Bye folks, this used to be an interesting site at times.
Posted by: Conspiracy Thinking is a Disease at October 11, 2016 02:31 PM (qdQL/)

was this a ryan or clinton troll?

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 02:33 PM (cPsPa)

435 Had to look up retromingent. That sounds horrible. Better have it lopped off than be forced to urinate backwards.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 02:33 PM (iFgwk)

436 That's just what President Clinton wants: a Democratic house. You think the budgets are bad now? Just see what happens when a Democratic house gives her carte blanche...

Posted by: MacGruber at October 11, 2016 02:28 PM (S+el1)

Paul Ryan's first act, as Speaker, was to give Barky more money than he had even asked for and to make sure that federal expenditures would not be part of the race. He made sure that BarkyCare was fully funded and that Bary's pet illegals and third-worlders could be paid and cared for.

The Vichy GOP Congress has let Barky do any damn thing he wanted. They let him make up law as he liked. They let him ignore law as he liked. They let him do anything he liked. They let the IRS admit to holding political witch-hunts and they did nothing.

There's nothing to save with the GOP Congress.

I made my mind up long ago that I was voting for Trump and leaving the rest of the ballot blank. The GOP put the last straw on my back when they re-elected that treasonous loser Boehner in 2013. That was it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 11, 2016 02:33 PM (zc3Db)

437 For Christ sakes, now I have to go to Wisconsin?

Do I ever get a day off?

Posted by: The Schlong at October 11, 2016 02:33 PM (4AVeu)

438 None of this ends well. If Hillary wins, shes already proposed gun legislation that will break this country out from under our feet. If Trump wins, SJW unrest will make the country unworkable. I wish we could have a thread about preparing for what comes after November.

Posted by: chalupa moreno at October 11, 2016 02:33 PM (TiYYy)

439 What time does baseball start?

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2016 02:33 PM (J82wy)

440 Paul Ryan is a malignant Congressvermin who cant understand normal thinking.

Posted by: Paulie Walnuts at October 11, 2016 02:33 PM (JO9+V)

441 Not sure what we can do at this point. After what we've seen out of the DoJ and FBI during this administration, it's pretty clear that we are in a post-Magna Carta era. The only time we have a say is when what we have to say is what our "betters" are going to do anyway, and/or that our "betters" allow us to have.

Posted by: gm at October 11, 2016 02:33 PM (4ueYo)

442 We're electing someone who will almost certainly be a wartime president thanks to President JEF and Secretary Clinton. Our government has armed ISIS and countless other jihadist groups, made secret cash payments of billions of dollars to the Iranians, compromised the justice system, dismantled our military, and funded and publicly defended domestic terror attacks on communities and law enforcement officers across the country.

Vote Trump 2016

Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at October 11, 2016 02:33 PM (V4XjU)

443 It runs by inertia whereby the only solution to any problem is money and we don't have any more unencumbered money.
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Its going to run until the inertia ebbs and the entire machine comes to a complete stop. Or, until Deutschebank, or one of the zombie banks that were allowed to continue to survive after 2008 falls apart and takes the world financial system down with them.

Nothing -- nothing at all -- will be done to address these problems, no matter who wins. Nothing can be done, because actually doing something about the problem will get the politicians voted out of office. The people like being bribed with their own money (even when that money is on credit), and they won't give it up.

Take care of your own. Do not count on any government subsidy.

Posted by: Revenant at October 11, 2016 02:34 PM (3DSAh)

444 Dear Lord we need a flamethrower for the trolls.

Posted by: spypeach at October 11, 2016 02:34 PM (nyYhO)

445 That's just what President Clinton wants: a Democratic house. You think the budgets are bad now? Just see what happens when a Democratic house gives her carte blanche...

Pssst. Obola has it now with a Repub house AND senate.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 11, 2016 02:34 PM (EMrMF)

446 Goodness; we have regular trolls, new trolls, schizophrenic trolls..I've never seen such a variety of trolls in one thread.
Posted by: IC at October 11, 2016 02:32 PM (a0IVu)

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Big wheel keep on turning
Proud Mary keep on burning
And we're trolling..... trolling.......trolling
Trolling on Aces liver.....

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2016 02:34 PM (8XRCm)

447 Multiple flounces from unknowns in a single thread. Could be a record?

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at October 11, 2016 02:34 PM (nFdGS)

448
395 Bluebell, moki and miley's deploarables... I'm in VA 11 we should all do lunch!

Comstock came out early Friday denouncing Trump. If I were in her district I'd at least see who's running against her. But things are so close in PWC it's hard to give any more ground to the dems.

Posted by: Beth M at October 11, 2016 02:27 PM (kiy9d)

Comstock is in the 10th. If you live in the 11th, your rep is Gerry Connolly, Dem. If you live in the 11th you'll never have a conservative represent you in your lifetime.

There's a powerful advantage in incumbency. If Comstock loses, it will be extraordinarily difficult for a Republican to win the seat.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at October 11, 2016 02:35 PM (kZVsz)

449 Rush has a great question to GOPers running for House &Senate:
Why should we vote for you when you clearly don't want to stop Hillary?

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 11, 2016 02:35 PM (Om16U)

450 So we're talking about the future of the Republican Party. It's a contest between Ryanism and Trumpism?

Assuming Trump loses, which is a fair bet, is there a thing called Trumpism that lasts without Trump? Is that a good thing?

Based on what?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 11, 2016 01:42 PM (mgbwf)

No, it's not Trumpism vs. Ryanism. It's whether the voters actually run the country or the Uniparty. Since Trump is the only one running who represents someone outside of that party, that's our choice. Ryan can't abide the will of his party's voters because he's Uniparty. And yes he has to go.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at October 11, 2016 02:35 PM (Ee2nz)

451 Nothing can be done, because actually doing something about the problem will get the politicians voted out of office. The people like being bribed with their own money (even when that money is on credit), and they won't give it up.

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It certainly is a big speed bump. Not insurmountable, but definitely makes it tough.

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 02:35 PM (gmeXX)

452 And we still have Sparky Lyle number of days till the Election. Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:35 PM (zp+j1)

453 Ace, I read your blog daily and think you are very insightful and funny. This is my first comment.

You've made some pretty good arguments against nevertrump. To wit, that this movement is de facto a vote for HRC and all the horrors that would entail. By promoting something called neverryan, aren't you undermining your own nevertrump argument? Wouldn't it be more logical, from your point of view, to support both Trump AND Ryan? You don't really want a democrat in Ryan's seat, or Pelosi running the house, do you?

Posted by: Guido at October 11, 2016 02:35 PM (OqsNP)

454 Concern trolls are soooo cute when they think no one knows who they are and why they're concern trolling Ace.

Just go. No long goodbyes. No forlorn fairwells. Piss off already. geez

Posted by: Skunky Choom at October 11, 2016 02:35 PM (CbGSW)

455 I get the sentiment, but in general I don'tthink it's a good idea. I want Trump for the Supreme Court picks, but if we lose the Senate do you think a Dem-controlled chamber will roll over like the Rs do?

Posted by: Where are my ping pong balls at October 11, 2016 02:35 PM (cp15g)

456 Trolls need a French exit

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2016 02:36 PM (ZIx/C)

457 Posted by: Conspiracy Thinking is a Disease at October 11, 2016 02:31 PM (qdQL/)

Parting is such sweet sorrow.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Support the Arts! Do the Monster Mish at the Outrage Outlet! at October 11, 2016 02:36 PM (hLRSq)

458 I never realized that Paul Ryan was holding the AOSHQ together like this. Please don't go!

Posted by: Fritz at October 11, 2016 02:36 PM (2Mnv1)

459 Just sayin'
Posted by: Publius Redux at October 11, 2016 02:29 PM (Fb9aZ)

The LIV does NOT know these things, and the dumps are forcing the media to cover them.

Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at October 11, 2016 02:36 PM (V4XjU)

460 Your welcome for the trolls, Jesus-Freak Wingnuts

Posted by: RNC at October 11, 2016 02:36 PM (89T5c)

461 It's a flounceapalooza!

Posted by: joncelli, Channeling Hamlet at October 11, 2016 02:36 PM (RD7QR)

462

ITS A FLOUNCE-ALANCHE !!!!!

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 11, 2016 02:37 PM (zu88C)

463 I have never posted here until today and I have always voted for Republicans, but I am leaving NOW because somebody said something mean about Paul Ryan. So there!!!!

Posted by: Flouncing Troll at October 11, 2016 02:37 PM (EnGQE)

464 Oust me, and I'll have a cushy K-Street job like Boehner. You plebs cannot win.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at October 11, 2016 02:37 PM (iFgwk)

465 do you think a Dem-controlled chamber will roll over like the Rs do?
Posted by: Where are my ping pong balls at October 11, 2016 02:35 PM (cp15g)

Ace is talking about one and only one seat...you do get that right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:37 PM (zp+j1)

466 I'm guessing it's already mentioned that the rumor is: Dan Senor, advisor to Paul Ryan, is the one who leaked the Access Hollywood tape to the WashPost. Senor also worked for W, right?

Yeah, FU:War!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 11, 2016 02:37 PM (NOIQH)

467 >> You don't really want a democrat in Ryan's seat, or Pelosi running the house, do you?

The house is not hinging on 1 Rep.

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2016 02:37 PM (J82wy)

468 I had this, in almost exactly the same words, said to me by an ardent Perot-bot after the '92 election. Man, that Reform Party sure turned into an electoral juggernaut once other, stronger leaders arose to lead it, eh?

You aren't getting it.

The Reform Party people were wooed back into the GOP fold by Newt Gingrich and the Contract With America, only to be lost again when the globalists pushed Amnesty.

The Perot-nistas of 1992 *became* the Trump-eters of 2016.

The GOP has to learn to balance interests, tell the Wall Street Journal cosmopolitians to be more patriotic, and actually offer the working class *something*.

The Commiecrats have written off the working class in favor of NY and DC media elites, depraved Hollyleft elites, leftover communists in academia and whitey-hating ghetto trash, soon to be supplemented by infusions of barrio trash.

The GOP has an opportunity to win over the working class--but it must end its goo-goo-for-globalism.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 11, 2016 02:37 PM (ujg0T)

469 Ryan Delenda Est. politically, that is...

And nice BW bookplates on this link (sorry I missed the art thread):

http://thegoldenagesite.blogspot.com/2016_06_01_archive.html

Posted by: setnaffa at October 11, 2016 02:38 PM (iDxq/)

470 Don't worry. I'm investigating.

Posted by: Darrell Issa at October 11, 2016 02:38 PM (2z74n)

471 Flouncing Tiger, Hidden Dragon

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2016 02:38 PM (J82wy)

472 ALL of the current 'republican' leadership needs to go. Of course it goes without saying that anybody with a 'd' after their name needs to go to prison with the above scoundrels. Basically what that means here in the land of Eromero, only ones get to stay are Gohmert and Cruz.

Posted by: Eromero at October 11, 2016 02:38 PM (zLDYs)

473 The is no DA anywhere that will arrest a Clinton for anything. That's why the very legitimacy of the government is at stake in this election.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 11, 2016 02:38 PM (N5OIo)

474 OT - In private remarks, Hillary said she was invited to Putin's 'private inner sanctum' where they discussed 'wildlife conservancy'. Ahem. Okay then.

Posted by: IC at October 11, 2016 02:38 PM (a0IVu)

475 No. 2 to 4 SCOTUS picks and it's all over.

Posted by: rickb223
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Yep. I don't see any recovery from this. The court has recently shown repeatedly it's willing to piss on The Constitution, and that's with what was supposedly a court weighed center-right. 2 or 3 progressive picks and The Constitution becomes a quaint museum relic.

Posted by: Biergood at October 11, 2016 02:38 PM (v8Lx/)

476 Ace, I am hereby cancelling any podcast appearances on your show. I will not just stand here and be insulted like this.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at October 11, 2016 02:38 PM (iFgwk)

477 This is utterly irresponsible. The far right should face the fact that their champion is an unlikable, unelectable boor. He will never be president. This isnt Paul Ryans fault. He didnt nominate Trump. And we will need the competent leadership of Speaker Ryan in the coming Clinton presidency.

To threaten his position out of pure spite shows that this whole Trump movement is nothing but an unappetizing mix of childishness and political nihilism. Utterly irresponsible!

Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 02:39 PM (jdVse)

478 Since y'all may be in a Robespierre state of mind today, here's one I never really understood until this recent set of events. I get it now, though.

To punish the oppressors of humanity is clemency; to forgive them is cruelty.

Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2016 02:39 PM (/m8T6)

479 473
The is no DA anywhere that will arrest a Clinton for anything. That's
why the very legitimacy of the government is at stake in this election.

Posted by: Make America Great Again

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Let it burn.

Republic of Texas

Posted by: Skunky Choom at October 11, 2016 02:39 PM (CbGSW)

480 The GOP has an opportunity to win over the working class--but it must end its goo-goo-for-globalism.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 11, 2016 02:37 PM (ujg0T)
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They better work fast while there is still a working class to win over.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 11, 2016 02:39 PM (NUqwG)

481 Ace is talking about one and only one seat...you do get that right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:37 PM (zp+j1)

Not me. I am against anyone who voted for either Boehner in 2013, 2015 or Ryan to be Speaker. There are scarce few left after that.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 11, 2016 02:39 PM (zc3Db)

482 Ps not a troll, been here for 13 years or so, would love to burn it down but I have a kid and those SC picks are important. They shouldn't be but that's where we are.

Posted by: Where are my ping pong balls at October 11, 2016 02:39 PM (cp15g)

483 471 Flouncing Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2016 02:38 PM (J82wy)

Flouncing Pussy, Hidden Dick

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 11, 2016 02:39 PM (Om16U)

484 >> have never posted here until today and I have
always voted for Republicans, but I am leaving NOW because somebody
said something mean about Paul Ryan. So there!!!!

Posted by: Flouncing Troll

Heh. Only question about our trolls is: Are they Clinton staffers or Brock employees?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/h3upgyv

Posted by: Lizzy at October 11, 2016 02:39 PM (NOIQH)

485 474 OT - In private remarks, Hillary said she was invited to Putin's 'private inner sanctum' where they discussed 'wildlife conservancy'. Ahem. Okay then.
Posted by: IC at October 11, 2016 02:38 PM (a0IVu)

That makes sense, since Putin is Hillary's agent handler.

Posted by: joncelli, Channeling Hamlet at October 11, 2016 02:39 PM (RD7QR)

486 Who is the main troll minder? Brooks? Axelrod? Soros? And do they all report to him/her or are there subgroups? Are there competing Troll factions? Some of our trolls seem to be off message.

Anyway, we need a get to know your troll day or thread. Let's be welcoming and provide a safe space where they can tell us about themselves w/o judgment.

Posted by: Czar Peter at October 11, 2016 02:40 PM (O3jhK)

487 I AM ace. I do RINO shit so that I can write posts against myself and drive up the hits.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at October 11, 2016 02:40 PM (iFgwk)

488 >>>482 Ps not a troll, been here for 13 years or so, would love to burn it down but I have a kid and those SC picks are important. They shouldn't be but that's where we are.

Posted by: Where are my ping pong balls at October 11, 2016 02:39 PM (cp15g)>>>

Fortunately, we don't need the House for that.

Posted by: gm at October 11, 2016 02:40 PM (4ueYo)

489 But you dipshits want to put Hillary into the White House and now give her a Dem Congress too? Single payer.. full medical for all the lowlifes.. free tuition.. immigration reform with pure amnesty.

And now Ace is spearheading this movement. Jesus H. Eff'n Christ.. idiots.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 11, 2016 02:29 PM (so+oy)

1. You are as hyperbolic as anyone here.

2. There are those here who believe the recent revelations about there only really being a uniparty and that most of the political "strife" that we see has been orchestrated to keep us divided and make it easier to conspire to keep us unaware an compliant.

Just because people have a different perspective from you doesn't make them idiots. You believing that keeping the status quo because it has worked out so well for you - doesn't make you a genius.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 02:40 PM (4ng05)

490 El skippito... yes the local GOP has given up on my little neck of the woods because my neighbors aren't their demographic. I'm going to fight that as much as I can.

Posted by: Beth M at October 11, 2016 02:40 PM (kiy9d)

491

I'm leaving! Don't try to stop me!

Here I go!

I'm gone!

Posted by: Jim - The Guy Who Used To LIke This Place UNTIL NOW at October 11, 2016 02:40 PM (zu88C)

492 It's a human wave troll attack. Gentlemen! Prepare to defend yourselves!!

Posted by: Sgt. Maj. Basil Plumley at October 11, 2016 02:41 PM (JO9+V)

493 OT - In private remarks, Hillary said she was invited to Putin's 'private inner sanctum' where they discussed ~~'wildlife conservancy'.~~ pussy.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 02:41 PM (Pby3z)

494 OT - In private remarks, Hillary said she was invited to Putin's
'private inner sanctum' where they discussed 'wildlife conservancy'.
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i.e. He fed her a bear he had slaughtered with his bare hands for amusement.

Posted by: Methos at October 11, 2016 02:41 PM (3Liv/)

495 Trump (and Cruz to some degree) momentum was from the wall (and operational control) on border, and standing against TPP weakening our sovereignty.

Ryan and the GOPe think like Hillary ... illegal immigration is an act of love, and they want no restrictions on trade.

So Ryan and GOPe are really against about 70% of the Republicans, at the least. As that Democrat in Obama's gang said, "take some out and shoot them in public, so the others become more obedient". He was talking of how to make citizens submissive, but taking out Ryan or others that vote with Ds might work the same way.

Posted by: Illiniwek at October 11, 2016 02:41 PM (n6rAX)

496 486 Who is the main troll minder? Brooks? Axelrod? Soros? And do they all report to him/her or are there subgroups? Are there competing Troll factions? Some of our trolls seem to be off message.

Anyway, we need a get to know your troll day or thread. Let's be welcoming and provide a safe space where they can tell us about themselves w/o judgment.
Posted by: Czar Peter at October 11, 2016 02:40 PM (O3jhK)

Oooh, we need punch and brownies.

Posted by: joncelli, Channeling Hamlet at October 11, 2016 02:41 PM (RD7QR)

497 Interesting that after the dots have been connected of the planned and failed GOP coup to destroy Trump, they want to blame the Trump supporters.

These people have all the traits of abusive people with Cluster B personality types.

Again as I've stayed this election is playing out like a high conflict divorce in family court. And we are the men/fathers.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 11, 2016 02:41 PM (B9Zoe)

498 (iFgwk)

Stick a fork in it, you flaming butthurt pussy.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 02:41 PM (Pby3z)

499 Ah shit.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 02:42 PM (Pby3z)

500 ... they discussed 'wildlife conservancy'.
Posted by: IC at October 11, 2016 02:38 PM (a0IVu)
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The endangered Hillarbeast?

Posted by: RioBravo at October 11, 2016 02:42 PM (NUqwG)

501 I do RINO shit (iFgwk)

======

Eww. Stinky pecker.

Posted by: Jim - The Guy Who Used To LIke This Place UNTIL NOW at October 11, 2016 02:42 PM (zu88C)

502 Really enjoying the trolls trying to defend Ryan here.

Yeah, yeah, Ryan has so covered himself in glory you can name his top 5 victories for conservatives no problem?

No, I'll wait.

Like I have been since 1994.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 11, 2016 02:42 PM (e2Rx3)

503 Begonia also forgot to mention he abhors "pussy". But he does.

Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2016 02:42 PM (/m8T6)

504 >>"To threaten [Ryan's] position out of pure spite shows that this whole Trump
movement is nothing but an unappetizing mix of childishness and
political nihilism. Utterly irresponsible!"

How is it any worse than what Ryan and others are doing to Trump - essentially demanding the GOP candidate drop out 1 month before the election?????

Nice to have you back, Begonia - say "hi" to Jeb for me!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 11, 2016 02:42 PM (NOIQH)

505 You know who's not getting enough play for withdrawing their Trump endorsement? Chris fucking Christie. Bang up job, fat man. He's Mr May - big-time republican at the start of the season, straight up traitor when October baseball starts up. Remember the hurricane Sandy hug? This is the real Christie. What a big fat mish.

Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at October 11, 2016 02:42 PM (V4XjU)

506 30 years from now I see the US as a country (if it still is one country, which I kind of doubt) like Italy, where there a 20 or 30 different parties and in order to govern you need to patch together a coalition of 5 or 6 of them to win an election. And the coalitions are volatile, always falling apart and reforming every cycle.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at October 11, 2016 02:30 PM (1zARK)

As long as we keep our Presidential-Congressional and first-past-the-post by district voting system, Multiparty government just won't happen here.

Even lasting third parties like Canada or the UK only happen because of parliamentary systems, which collapse the Executive into the Legislature.

However, we may get Civil War.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 11, 2016 02:42 PM (ujg0T)

507 T - In private remarks, Hillary said she was invited to Putin's 'private inner sanctum' where they discussed 'wildlife conservancy'. Ahem. Okay then.

Her seizures caused confusion between the words orangutan and uranium.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2016 02:42 PM (EnGQE)

508 >>>Not me. I am against anyone who voted for either Boehner in 2013, 2015 or Ryan to be Speaker. There are scarce few left after that.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 11, 2016 02:39 PM (zc3Db)>>>

Boehner was pimping the GOP candidate in my swing district in 2014. So I didn't vote for him cuz I knew he'd vote for Boehner for Speaker. He lost. I'm not sad.

Posted by: gm at October 11, 2016 02:42 PM (4ueYo)

509 In addition to a) reminding everyone we could have nominated a stripper / pornstar candidate, and 2) being an early adopter of Hillary! shitting herself; I have long been an advocate of a Totches and Pitchfork resolution to our current political dilemma.

Posted by: Weasel at October 11, 2016 02:42 PM (6xtq3)

510 "But you dipshits want to put Hillary into the White House and now give
her a Dem Congress too? Single payer.. full medical for all the
lowlifes.. free tuition.. immigration reform with pure amnesty."

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How does voting against certain GOP traitors help Hillary get into the White House in THIS election? I don't know if everyone around here is thinking much before typing... because that argument should've been stopped by the brain before it made it to the mouth hole.

Posted by: ElKomandante at October 11, 2016 02:42 PM (5cbpq)

511 I think an ette just called in to Rush.

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 11, 2016 02:42 PM (Om16U)

512 Mr. Peebles to the barrel. Mr. Peebles, please report to the barrel.

Posted by: joncelli, Channeling Hamlet at October 11, 2016 02:42 PM (RD7QR)

513 I wonder if Ryan regrets assuming the speakership.

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 02:42 PM (gmeXX)

514 Methos has an appointment.

Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2016 02:43 PM (/m8T6)

515
Mr Peebles..... come to me. Embrace me.

Posted by: The Barrel at October 11, 2016 02:43 PM (8XRCm)

516 It's a human wave troll attack. Gentlemen! Prepare to defend yourselves!!

Posted by: Sgt. Maj. Basil Plumley at October 11, 2016 02:41 PM (JO9+V)

But I'm a non-combatant!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 11, 2016 02:43 PM (QQ+il)

517 Okay, that wasn't me

Posted by: Methos at October 11, 2016 02:43 PM (3Liv/)

518 totches = torches

Posted by: Weasel at October 11, 2016 02:43 PM (6xtq3)

519 >>There's a powerful advantage in incumbency. If
Comstock loses, it will be extraordinarily difficult for a Republican to
win the seat.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at October 11, 2016 02:35 PM (kZVsz)<<
Yup. NoVA turned blue a long time ago, and turned quickly. And it's not getting red anytime soon. If Comstock loses, a Democrat takes her place. Guaranteed.

Posted by: MacGruber at October 11, 2016 02:43 PM (S+el1)

520 Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 02:39 PM (jdVse)

Why is this thing back?

Is there talk of running Jeb as a last minute emergency replacement?

Maybe it wasn't a paid operative of Jeb after all. Maybe it is a paid operative of the GOPe, called out of retirement for one last mission following Sunday's rout of Hillary.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 02:43 PM (iFgwk)

521 Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:32 PM (zp+j1)

Well there are a hell of lot commenters saying they won't vote Republican again in response to ace's post.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 11, 2016 02:43 PM (LgxQn)

522 I wonder if Ryan regrets assuming the speakership.

Common ground!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 11, 2016 02:43 PM (QQ+il)

523 wildlife conservancy

yeah. Putins big on that.... he wants to conserve as much wild life for himself to shoot...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 02:43 PM (O2RFr)

524 Martha Roby in Alabama I think also came out against Trump.

I think she is now toast. She will lose.

Good job Repubs.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 11, 2016 02:43 PM (N5OIo)

525 I'm a little tired of "Trump's shortcomings this...." and "Trump's shortcomings that..."

When you (you know who you are) can find the perfect fucking candidate who you can get through the primaries and onto the ticket, then you're more than welcome to come here and lecture all of us.

I'm not cultishly invested in Donald Trump. He wasn't my first pick and I didn't vote for him in the primaries. However, he IS the nominee, whether you like it or not. Id' vote for a fucking orange juice can over Hillary Clinton. Hell, I'd even vote for Jeb Bush over Hillary Clinton. It's inconceivable to me how the power players/higher ups in the R party can go out and try to trash, smear, and undermine their nominee. That right there tells me they view him as a threat. A threat to what, I don't know, because unlike some of you, I'm not a fucking mind reader. I suspect it's the same reason Sarah Palin was so hated - because both of them are the closest we will ever see to a "real" person getting into a position of power and fucking up their sweet, sweet graft operation. But, don't despair - my observations have shown me that if you're not crooked when you go in, you're crooked when you come out.

But now we have to be worried because Trump said "pussy." Well, I guess I could never hold an elected office because back in the day I had a friend who I affectionately called "Pussy." So, I've probably said it tens if not hundreds of thousands of times. Who the hell cares?

All that being said, it's one simple thing: the country class vs. the ruling class and I, for one, am tired of being ruled.

Posted by: bicenntennialguy at October 11, 2016 02:44 PM (vg8iE)

526 Ryan and the GOPe think like Hillary ... illegal immigration is an act of love, and they want no restrictions on trade.

Don't think too highly of them-- illegal immigration is free trade in cheap labor (and votes).

They aren't being altruistic, it's still payoffs to cronies.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 02:44 PM (Pby3z)

527 You know who's not getting enough play for withdrawing their Trump endorsement? Chris fucking Christie.
========================

I don't think he has done so.

Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2016 02:44 PM (/m8T6)

528 450
So we're talking about the future of the Republican Party. It's a contest between Ryanism and Trumpism?

Assuming Trump loses, which is a fair bet, is there a thing called Trumpism that lasts without Trump? Is that a good thing?

Yes. As I said above I think Trump started a movement that's bigger than he is, and it will outlive him. Win or lose this November, the movement will survive. As I said above, he may not be the best leader for the movement but others will surely take up the gauntlet if he chooses not to after the election.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at October 11, 2016 02:44 PM (1zARK)

529
Why ace? Why?

You were my favorite blogger. I loved this place.

And then I totaled it.

Posted by: Jim - The Guy Who Used To LIke This Place UNTIL NOW at October 11, 2016 02:44 PM (zu88C)

530 Flouncing Pussy, Hidden Dick
Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 11, 2016 02:39 PM (Om16U)

Saints PRESERVE us, voterma! Mind your language!

*Clutches pearls, minge*

Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at October 11, 2016 02:45 PM (V4XjU)

531 Ryan can go back to His fortress...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 02:45 PM (O2RFr)

532 We are thoroughly shocked, and appalled, at both Trump's foul mouth and the revelations about the level of Hillary!'s corruption. Because we don't use language like that and are pure.

Turn those machines back on!!!

Posted by: Wall Street at October 11, 2016 02:45 PM (hqZPQ)

533
To threaten his position out of pure spite shows that this whole Trump movement is nothing but an unappetizing mix of childishness and political nihilism. Utterly irresponsible!

Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 02:39 PM (jdVse)

Oh dear God not you again!!

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 11, 2016 02:45 PM (Idu2i)

534 *shart*

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary at October 11, 2016 02:45 PM (89T5c)

535 It's always funny to watch lefties talk about how ungovernable the country is when they have an incompetent, know-nothing left-winger in the Oval Office. We saw it Jimmah Carter and now with Obama. It's not that the country isn't governable, asshats. It's that you're incomptent and retarded. And your ideas are stupid, recycled bullshit that the world has shown over and over again does not work.

Posted by: gm at October 11, 2016 02:45 PM (4ueYo)

536 Trump needs to grab Ryan by the pussy.

Posted by: General Zod at October 11, 2016 02:45 PM (Bdeb0)

537 *snort*

... and you named your blog Brad.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 11, 2016 02:45 PM (QQ+il)

538 THIS election is about making sure BlackLivesMatter doesn't control the next two or three Supreme Court pics.

And given how our Senators look at their shoes and stick their hands in their pockets over opposing the President, the only reasonable way to ensure that doesn't happen is to elect Trump.

The NEXT election is the time to evaluate Trump's agenda and Congress' reaction and decide whether it needs to be furthered or restrained.

Posted by: JEM at October 11, 2016 02:45 PM (TppKb)

539 >>Who is the main troll minder? Brooks? Axelrod? Soros? And do they all
report to him/her or are there subgroups? Are there competing Troll
factions? Some of our trolls seem to be off message.

Brock primarily, but several of Hillary's campaign managers come from a background of online astroturfing, including Robbie Mook, and have been busy lil' beavers online against Bernie, and now Trump.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/h3upgyv

Posted by: Lizzy at October 11, 2016 02:45 PM (NOIQH)

540 Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 02:39 PM (jdVse)

----

Oh.

Look.

The blooming idiot is back.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2016 02:46 PM (8XRCm)

541 I think the GOP has been promised that if they support Clinton now, they don't have to worry about elections in the future.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2016 02:46 PM (7ZVPa)

542 yeah, it is very clear Ace is specifically suggesting voting against ryan by voting for his opponent. punishing ryan for his treachery is important and different from tossing the entire house.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 02:46 PM (cPsPa)

543 None of this ends well. If Hillary wins, shes already proposed gun legislation that will break this country out from under our feet. If Trump wins, SJW unrest will make the country unworkable. I wish we could have a thread about preparing for what comes after November.

I start up again in a couple weeks...

Posted by: The Walking Dead at October 11, 2016 02:46 PM (XkVXQ)

544 >>>Her seizures caused confusion between the words orangutan and uranium.<<<

That was a straight up punch in the FUPA. Bravo!

Posted by: Fritz at October 11, 2016 02:46 PM (2Mnv1)

545 Oh Man spitoonias back...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 02:46 PM (O2RFr)

546 Trump needs to grab Ryan by the pussy.
Posted by: General Zod at October 11, 2016 02:45 PM (Bdeb0)

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Pick a spot.

Paul Ryan is all pussy.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2016 02:47 PM (8XRCm)

547 It's obviously lost on Ace that Ryan is going to win his district soundly. You know, in a democratic process.

And Trump is going to lose soundly.

Posted by: Patrick Myers at October 11, 2016 02:47 PM (x5aW+)

548 Flouncing Pussy, Hidden Dick
Posted by: Votermom

Racist!!!

Posted by: Helen Gym at October 11, 2016 02:47 PM (iFgwk)

549 >> Flouncing Pussy, Hidden Dick

I'm usually visible when pussy is flouncing.

Posted by: Dick at October 11, 2016 02:47 PM (TppKb)

550 I think the GOP has been promised that if they support Clinton now, they don't have to worry about elections in the future.

and neither will we.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 11, 2016 02:47 PM (QQ+il)

551 476 Ace, I am hereby cancelling any podcast appearances on your show. I will not just stand here and be insulted like this.
Posted by: Paul Ryan at October 11, 2016 02:38 PM (iFgwk)

------------------------------------------------------

Come and get some pretty boy....Yea!

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 11, 2016 02:47 PM (KhJh8)

552 To threaten his position out of pure spite shows that this whole Trump movement is nothing but an unappetizing mix of childishness and political nihilism. Utterly irresponsible!

Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 02:39 PM (jdVse)

begone

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 02:47 PM (cPsPa)

553 To threaten [Ryan's] position out of pure spite shows that this whole Trump
movement is nothing but an unappetizing mix of childishness and
political nihilism. Utterly irresponsible!

Sure, whatever. I'll take your word for it. You seem smart. (I like to be nice to people.)

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 02:47 PM (4ng05)

554 The shake out will be interesting. For a moment, I thought Trump could save the GOPe.

Not sure how this will fall out but probably Dems will rule for 4-12 years.

I'm not too worried because that was already most likely going to happen.

Posted by: sexypig at October 11, 2016 02:47 PM (UBBWX)

555 541 I think the GOP has been promised that if they support Clinton now, they don't have to worry about elections in the future.

And they'd be right....

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 02:47 PM (O2RFr)

556 Ryan and the GOPe just don't get it. At this point Trump is our only chance to save the country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTLwzuQuRsw

Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at October 11, 2016 02:48 PM (75WaT)

557 Watch...

Posted by: The Blue and the Gray Miniseries at October 11, 2016 02:48 PM (89T5c)

558 Methos - to the Barrel.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Support the Arts! Do the Monster Mish at the Outrage Outlet! at October 11, 2016 02:48 PM (hLRSq)

559 I have won the victory over myself. I love begonia.

Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at October 11, 2016 02:48 PM (V4XjU)

560 Any law which violates the inalienable rights of man is essentially unjust and tyrannical; it is not a law at all.

Posted by: Max Robespierre, preparing for the future past at October 11, 2016 02:48 PM (/m8T6)

561 Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 11, 2016 02:43 PM (N5OIo)

If she came out against Trump knowing that it would possibly cause her to lose, I'd have to respect her even if I disagreed with her position.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 11, 2016 02:48 PM (LgxQn)

562 I'm just going to take a contrarian approach to all of this.

In the past the GOP House leader and the GOP nominee for President have always been supportive of one another.

That hasn't always worked out for the benefit of the GOP voters.

At least this election the GOP has added a new play to the playbook.

Of course, it may not work out for the benefit of the GOP voters either.

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 02:48 PM (gmeXX)

563
Ace is talking about one and only one seat...you do get that right?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:37 PM (zp+j1)
No I thought it was had led in the comments to nonsupporters in general, sorry I'm at work. Paul Ryan can go eff himself.

Posted by: Where are my ping pong balls at October 11, 2016 02:48 PM (cp15g)

564 Need more magnum powder - H110 and 2400.

Posted by: Weasel at October 11, 2016 02:48 PM (6xtq3)

565 You know who's not getting enough play for withdrawing their Trump endorsement? Chris fucking Christie.
========================

I don't think he has done so.
Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2016 02:44 PM (/m8T6)
---------------------------------------------------------
He did not.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hdafmht

Posted by: RioBravo at October 11, 2016 02:49 PM (NUqwG)

566 476 Ace, I am hereby cancelling any podcast appearances on your show. I will not just stand here and be insulted like this.
Posted by: Paul Ryan at October 11, 2016 02:38 PM (iFgwk)

Vacuuming topless. (17 minutes in.)

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 02:49 PM (4ng05)

567 #345 I mentioned this in the earlier thread but Cruz and Rubio sticking w/
Trump - they, at least, can see the disaster that a Hillary presidency
will bring. So, kudos to the both of them for having the foresight and
courage.

I'm proud of Ted, stunned that Rubio could do it. Good on you, Marco.

I recall when Boner fingered Ryan as his successor, I was like "WHAAAT?" alarmed as hell. You know that's a bad portent.

Then most recently I heard that Mike Lee hopped on the dump Trump bandwagon.

Now understand that there is no one I can count on. Politics is just filthy shit and that's the way it is. I won't lose friendships over it (although my oldest friend, a liberal, already pulled the plug. That's on her, not me).

Posted by: Miley's Deplorables at October 11, 2016 02:49 PM (L2UGl)

568 To threaten his position out of pure spite shows that this whole Trump
movement is nothing but an unappetizing mix of childishness and
political nihilism. Utterly irresponsible!

Posted by: Begonia

=======

I totally agree with you. This whole Trump movement by the GOP, trying to undermine the rightful nominee , is a irresponsible childishness and political nihilism on the part of Bush and the Bushies.

Long may they choke on their stupid Trump attack.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 11, 2016 02:49 PM (zu88C)

569 The shake out will be interesting. For a moment, I thought Trump could save the GOPe.

They don't want to be saved.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 02:49 PM (Pby3z)

570
Mr Peebles blackens the thread, Methos gets the blame.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2016 02:49 PM (8XRCm)

571 Well there are a hell of lot commenters saying they won't vote Republican again in response to ace's post.

Had nothing to do with Ace's post. Has everything to do with their actions.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 11, 2016 02:49 PM (EMrMF)

572 Anyone caught using Paul Ryan as a Fleshlight after lights out spends a night in the box.

Posted by: General Zod at October 11, 2016 02:49 PM (Bdeb0)

573
To threaten his position out of pure spite shows that this whole Trump movement is nothing but an unappetizing mix of childishness and political nihilism. Utterly irresponsible! Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 02:39 PM (jdVse)

Can you name another way to get a politicians attention that doesn't include threatening their position?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 11, 2016 02:49 PM (lKyWE)

574 Begonia is about as effective as farts against a fortress.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 02:49 PM (iFgwk)

575 Just got back, had to go and grab a pussy...er, sammich.

Posted by: wth at October 11, 2016 02:50 PM (HgMAr)

576 @560

lex injusta, nulla lex.

Dontcher just love that pithy Latin? Latin puthy?

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable at October 11, 2016 02:50 PM (9MlEz)

577 to ryan all of our complaints are just so much grumbling from his galley slaves. he would sooner sink the ship and send us all down chained to our oars than give us a say in anything.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 02:50 PM (cPsPa)

578 How is it any worse than what Ryan and others are doing to Trump - essentially demanding the GOP candidate drop out 1 month before the election?????

Nice to have you back, Begonia - say "hi" to Jeb for me!
Posted by: Lizzy at October 11, 2016 02:42 PM (NOIQH)
______

Trump was never going to be president. The moment he won the nomination, Hillary Clinton had the presidency in the bag so to speak. The idea that anything Speaker Ryan and others did could change anything about that, make it worse or better, is pure fantasy.

What could still be winnable, are congressional races. We now need The GOP Senators and Congressmen more than ever! And to declare in this situation that solid Republicans like Paul Ryan should be abandoned, is simply outrageous. This means no less than intentionally putting the future of the country at stake!

Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 02:50 PM (jdVse)

579 Well there are a hell of lot commenters saying they won't vote Republican again in response to ace's post.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 11, 2016 02:43 PM (LgxQn)

I think most of them mean after this Election and ot for the RATs...if The FAB wins then it is almost over anyway...good bye Court

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 11, 2016 02:50 PM (zp+j1)

580 Ryan should go back to doing what he does best- being the finest dance-aerobics instructor WI ever produced

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2016 02:51 PM (ZIx/C)

581 This is insane. Ryan is probably the most conservative Speaker of the House ever. He's the only one to talk about the threat of entitlements and doesn't throw his full weight behind Trump because Trump, isn't, you know, conservative on any issue besides immigration.

Posted by: Carl at October 11, 2016 02:51 PM (xhHQt)

582 Todd Yound (R-IN) was always a pretty sure bet to go with any of Boehner's bullshit schemes whenever John the Drunkist needed thirty or so repubs to join the House Dems.

Strongly thinking of voting Bayh for senate. Screw that entire crowd.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 11, 2016 02:51 PM (RKJF2)

583 Mr Peebles blackens the thread, Methos gets the blame.
Posted by: fixerupper

Yes, it's absolutely reprehensible what Mr. Peebles did.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 02:51 PM (iFgwk)

584 More farewells here than a Von Trapp family show.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 11, 2016 02:51 PM (JO9+V)

585 you name another way to get a politicians attention that doesn't include threatening their position?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 11, 2016 02:49 PM (lKyWE)

indeed, that is the way the system is set up. specifically why the house has two year terms.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 02:51 PM (cPsPa)

586 btw Barbara Comstock replied that she can't talk about reelection via her office account. That's OK Babs, I said I didn't need a reply, and there's nothing further to be discussed.

Posted by: Miley's Deplorables at October 11, 2016 02:51 PM (L2UGl)

587 Hasn't been this much flouncing since the Gay Liberation Front broke from the Front for the Liberation of Gays.

Posted by: joncelli, Channeling Hamlet at October 11, 2016 02:51 PM (RD7QR)

588
The blooming idiot is back.

Awwww, I wanted a blooming onion.

Posted by: Alligator Dundee at October 11, 2016 02:51 PM (IqV8l)

589 I take it that Begonia is an actual physical member of the Begoniaceae family with the attendant IQ.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 11, 2016 02:52 PM (09Ay7)

590 >> We now need The GOP Senators and Congressmen
>> more than ever!

Oh, you mean the same ones who pee their pants over the idea of being called racist 'cause they send The Black Man a bill he might veto?

Posted by: Dick at October 11, 2016 02:52 PM (TppKb)

591

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 11, 2016 02:52 PM (JO9+V)

592
Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 02:39 PM (jdVse)

Begone, ya!

Posted by: Theragen Derivative at October 11, 2016 02:52 PM (7ajAz)

593 We now need The GOP Senators and Congressmen more than ever! And to declare in this situation that solid Republicans like Paul Ryan should be abandoned, is simply outrageous. This means no less than intentionally putting the future of the country at stake!

Haha, funniest thing I've read all day.

Posted by: spypeach at October 11, 2016 02:52 PM (nyYhO)

594 581 This is insane. Ryan is probably the most conservative Speaker of the House ever. He's the only one to talk about the threat of entitlements and doesn't throw his full weight behind Trump because Trump, isn't, you know, conservative on any issue besides immigration.
Posted by: Carl at October 11, 2016 02:51 PM (xhHQt)

News flash: in recent years, that issue has become big, to the point of being a litmus test.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 11, 2016 02:52 PM (ujg0T)

595 Can you name another way to get a politicians attention that doesn't include threatening their position?

A sock full of nickles?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 11, 2016 02:52 PM (QQ+il)

596 He's the only one to talk about the threat of entitlements and doesn't
throw his full weight behind Trump because Trump, isn't, you know,
conservative on any issue besides immigration.
=====

So the Bush clan and Ryan's distaste for Trump outweighs the choice of "we the people" ?

Good to know.

GOPe delenda est.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 11, 2016 02:52 PM (zu88C)

597 It's nice to see such weighty commentary here.

Posted by: Dick at October 11, 2016 02:52 PM (TppKb)

598
The Last Starfighter (1984) - Death Blossom

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLNvUsTBGyE

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2016 02:52 PM (kdS6q)

599 It wasn't me! Didn't even use any special characters.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 11, 2016 02:52 PM (JO9+V)

600 Well I stand corrected on Christie...

But I've got my eye on him goshdarnit! Both of them, because there's so much to watch.

Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at October 11, 2016 02:53 PM (V4XjU)

601 . He's the only one to talk about the threat of entitlements and doesn't throw his full weight behind Trump because Trump, isn't, you know, conservative on any issue besides immigration.

What Universe are you living in... Conservative? Is it Conservative to sabotage the Republican nominee in favor of the Democrat? Geez Louise...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 02:53 PM (O2RFr)

602
Well.... Mr Peebles has a Count for a roomate.

Have we ever had bunkmates in the barrel before??

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2016 02:53 PM (8XRCm)

603 393 Can somebody please ban that Ace's family troll? Where is the fly swatter anyway?
Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2016 02:27 PM (/m8T6)

That troll is already banned. I think he needs to be dumped into the spam file so his posts don't even show up at all.

Posted by: buzzion at October 11, 2016 02:53 PM (z/Ubi)

604 you name another way to get a politicians attention that doesn't include threatening their position?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 11, 2016 02:49 PM (lKyWE)
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Pound sign campaign!

Posted by: RioBravo at October 11, 2016 02:53 PM (NUqwG)

605 Ace is right. I actually came to this same conclusion last night, when friends were discussing the fact that our Repub senator, Rob Portman, is clutching his pearls and searching for his fainting couch over Trump's "pussy" comment. Portman now will not support Trump.

So right then and there I called Portman's office and left a voicemail saying if Portman doesn't support Trump, then I don't support Portman. I will not vote for him. Then I sent the same message via email, and copied damn near everyone I know. I hope everyone who read my email follows suit.

We gave the house and senate to are pubs to stop Obama, and what difference has it made. None. Eff these clowns.

America is dead. The new world order is upon us. Might as well take down some of these jerks with the sinking ship,

Posted by: Tired Mom at October 11, 2016 02:53 PM (pG+Zb)

606 Too many too-stupid trolls.

So many glittering pearls of insanity dropped on this thread, it's like a catbox of retarded insight.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 02:53 PM (Pby3z)

607 It would be just too perfect an ending to all this if Hillary gets a Democrat House and Senate who will rubber stamp any Supreme Court appointee because Trump spent the last few weeks before the election attacking the party instead of Hillary. In what should have been a Republican year. And then we can get this two-way internal party purge going just in time for 2020. Beautiful. Maybe God is a Democrat after all.

Posted by: reform highlander at October 11, 2016 02:53 PM (jCH/T)

608 581 This is insane. Ryan is probably the most conservative Speaker of the House ever. He's the only one to talk about the threat of entitlements and doesn't throw his full weight behind Trump because Trump, isn't, you know, conservative on any issue besides immigration.
Posted by: Carl at October 11, 2016 02:51 PM (xhHQt)

Wow. You know who isn't conservative? Hillary Clinton and her army of prog maggots.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 11, 2016 02:53 PM (09Ay7)

609 WHY AREN'T MORE OF YOU WATCHING MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL!

Posted by: JON GRUDEN at October 11, 2016 02:53 PM (hqZPQ)

610 554 The shake out will be interesting. For a moment, I thought Trump could save the GOPe.

Not sure how this will fall out but probably Dems will rule for 4-12 years.

I'm not too worried because that was already most likely going to happen.

Posted by: sexypig at October 11, 2016 02:47 PM (UBBWX)

Meanwhile, The Fed can't put off raising interest rates much longer. Interesting times.

Posted by: joncelli, Channeling Hamlet at October 11, 2016 02:53 PM (RD7QR)

611 ---We now need The GOP Senators and Congressmen more than ever!---

So do we!!!

Posted by: Phoney-Baloney Jobs at October 11, 2016 02:54 PM (7ajAz)

612 Doesn't this also mean that there is nothing holding back Trump's campaign from naming the names of those congressmen who were so, so outraged over Trump but, when they had the chance, grabbed the pussy themselves?

Oh, I think it does.

You took a shot at the king, Ryan.

Did you think he wouldn't shoot back?

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 11, 2016 02:54 PM (e2Rx3)

613 Trump was never going to be president. The moment he won the nomination, Hillary Clinton had the presidency in the bag so to speak. The idea that anything Speaker Ryan and others did could change anything about that, make it worse or better, is pure fantasy.

What could still be winnable, are congressional races. We now need The GOP Senators and Congressmen more than ever! And to declare in this situation that solid Republicans like Paul Ryan should be abandoned, is simply outrageous. This means no less than intentionally putting the future of the country at stake!
Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 02:50 PM (jdVse)

Well shit. Cancel all future elections! Begonia will be picking our leaders until the rest of us can figure this shit out.

Like Begonia.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 02:54 PM (4ng05)

614 Whoever said he's the only one to talk about the "threat of entitlements..."

You're right. That's all he's done.

It's like the line from Alien "Just what you've been doing: absolutely nothing."

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 11, 2016 02:54 PM (vg8iE)

615 Ya' know I'm free on Monday nights, baby.

Posted by: Dennis Miller at October 11, 2016 02:54 PM (hqZPQ)

616 With posts like this, it's no wonder all the cobs who were on the podcast left.

Posted by: Ghost of the Podcast at October 11, 2016 02:54 PM (RdrW8)

617
We gave the house and senate to are pubs to stop Obama, and what difference has it made. None. Eff these clowns.

Amen

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 11, 2016 02:54 PM (zu88C)

618 Too bad Ryan's conservatism did not produce anything conservative, too bad

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2016 02:54 PM (ZIx/C)

619 >>Trump was never going to be president. The moment he won the nomination,
Hillary Clinton had the presidency in the bag so to speak. The idea
that anything Speaker Ryan and others did could change anything about
that, make it worse or better, is pure fantasy

I reject your premise. No candidate has won or lost until election day.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 11, 2016 02:54 PM (NOIQH)

620 Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 02:50 PM (jdVse)

I see Jeb still has some campaign money left over.

RINO troll.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 11, 2016 02:54 PM (Idu2i)

621 Ryan isn't a conservative on any single issue at all. He's a unipartiest.

Trump isn't conservative either, he's a moderate Democrat and he's (most importantly) not Hillary Clinton. Supporting Trump is critical for the survival of the Republic. Leaking damaging material is straight-up pro-Hillary, and promoting the destruction of the Republic.

Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2016 02:54 PM (/m8T6)

622 We now need The GOP Senators and Congressmen more than ever!

Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 02:50 PM (jdVse)

We who? To do what?

P.S. There is still unrestrained emboldening at the bottom of the page.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 11, 2016 02:55 PM (zc3Db)

623 Is there anybody left who is undecided between hills and trump? Or have all of the hill voters made up their minds, and now it is a decision between trump and other?

Posted by: A Blinkin at October 11, 2016 02:55 PM (UvLb8)

624 Paycheck Fairness Act, DISCLOSE, affordable loans act.. they sued Obama over the recess appointments to the NLRB.

How many of those rules by Obama's illegal NLRB appointments have been overturned?

Posted by: buzzion at October 11, 2016 02:55 PM (z/Ubi)

625 It would be just too perfect an ending to all this if Hillary gets a Democrat House and Senate who will rubber stamp any Supreme Court appointee because Trump spent the last few weeks before the election attacking the party instead of Hillary.

Posted by: reform highlander at October 11, 2016 02:53 PM (jCH/T)

See? Absolutely pure stupidity.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 02:55 PM (Pby3z)

626 You took a shot at the king, Ryan.

----

First rule of coups.

If you're going to strike the king.... you have to kill him.

You done screwed up.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2016 02:55 PM (8XRCm)

627 Goodness; we have regular trolls, new trolls, schizophrenic trolls..I've never seen such a variety of trolls in one thread.

Posted by: IC at October 11, 2016 02:32 PM

Our diversity is our strength.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 11, 2016 02:55 PM (bzd8I)

628 More fun than a barrel full of monkeys.

Posted by: Fritz at October 11, 2016 02:55 PM (2Mnv1)

629 This is insane. Ryan is probably the most conservative Speaker of the House ever. He's the only one to talk about the threat of entitlements and doesn't throw his full weight behind Trump because Trump, isn't, you know, conservative on any issue besides immigration.
Posted by: Carl at October 11, 2016 02:51 PM (xhHQt)

I'm going from memory here - and I'm old and don't feel like looking this up, but Ryan has a conservative rating in the forties. Pretty sure.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 02:56 PM (4ng05)

630 How much is 20,000 BILLION of anything worth? Let it burn.

This message brought to you by The Republic of Texas

Posted by: Skunky Choom at October 11, 2016 02:56 PM (CbGSW)

631 So the Bush clan and Ryan's distaste for Trump outweighs the choice of "we the people" ?

Heck, yeah!

Please clap.

Posted by: Jeb! at October 11, 2016 02:56 PM (0cMkb)

632 We'll see. I think Ryan has a better understanding of the voters in his district than you or I do.
==========

Which is why WI voted Romney/Ryan in 2012 . . . .

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 11, 2016 02:56 PM (e2Rx3)

633 You took a shot at the king, Ryan.

----

First rule of coups.

If you're going to strike the king.... you have to kill him.

You done screwed up.

----------

Who's the king in this scenario? When did Ryan strike? And how do you know he wasn't killed?

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 02:56 PM (gmeXX)

634 I wouldn't touch that shit show with a ten foot pole.

Posted by: Dan Dierdorf at October 11, 2016 02:56 PM (89T5c)

635 It would be just too perfect an ending to all this if Hillary gets a Democrat House and Senate who will rubber stamp any Supreme Court appointee because Trump spent the last few weeks before the election attacking the party instead of Hillary. In what should have been a Republican year. And then we can get this two-way internal party purge going just in time for 2020. Beautiful. Maybe God is a Democrat after all.
Posted by: reform highlander

So you can try and burn down our house but we better not DARE mess with your fiefdom.

Too bad, you play with fire and you get burned.

All these people like Paul Ryan had to do was shut up.

Posted by: Maritime at October 11, 2016 02:56 PM (AQit7)

636 What's new pussycat? whoa
What's new pussycat? Whoa -oh-oh-whooa

Posted by: wth at October 11, 2016 02:56 PM (HgMAr)

637 "No, it's not Trumpism vs. Ryanism. It's whether the voters actually run the country or the Uniparty."

And if the will of the voters is no more aligned with my goals than the will of the Uniparty?

Politics is about coalition-building, not representing the unified "will of the people". And for Constitutional conservatives, neither the Trump nor the Ryan factions can be trusted to keep any promises at this point.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at October 11, 2016 02:57 PM (egK2C)

638 And to declare in this situation that solid Republicans like Paul Ryan should be abandoned, is simply outrageous.

Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 02:50 PM (jdVse)

------------------------------------------------------------

LOL...Then prepare to be outraged.

That is all Ryan & Co. does anyway, hold hearings, wave papers around in front the cameras and get outraged.

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 11, 2016 02:57 PM (KhJh8)

639 Yes. As I said above I think Trump started a movement that's bigger than he is, and it will outlive him. Win or lose this November, the movement will survive. As I said above, he may not be the best leader for the movement but others will surely take up the gauntlet if he chooses not to after the election.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at October 11, 2016 02:44 PM (1zARK)

Trump didn't start this movement... he capitalized on the movement...

It started clear back with the Reform movement... which Ross Perot personified.... they successfully made him the face of the movement, then destroyed him....

Then the early TEA party days... when people wanted their damn country back...

The Repubs and media then were able to co-opt the movement by choosing feckless Leaders for it (by putting them on TV as spokesmen for the entire movement... when they were not)....

Straight out of Alinsky... they personalized, then froze it...

Now they are trying to do the same thing via Trump.... trying to make the movement about him... so they can freeze it... then use the Politics of personal destruction....

But the same mindset which created all three movements, is still out there...

Posted by: Don Q. at October 11, 2016 02:57 PM (qf6WZ)

640 All these people like Paul Ryan had to do was shut up.

Exactly...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 02:57 PM (O2RFr)

641 525 bicenntennialguy

Agreed. This attacking Trump is beyond absurd. Why on earth the GOPe idiots cannot even unify and say something like : ' something that a private citizen said off the reord is not important right now and i am not commenting on it because its a rather obvious effort to distract voters form what is imorprtatnt- but what I can comment on is the need to defeat criminal Hillary for :

a) destroying our economy along with her boss OBama;

b) destroying the world with her incompetence as SOS;

c) running the Clinton foundation as a scheme to syphon foreign government money to her and her family in return for favors from, or acess to, the US government brokeraed when she was SOS;

d) endangering our lives with terrorism; and

e) failing to secure our borders and putting American citizens, of all races., at risk of losing their jobs and tax $$ to illegal immigrants."

I mean - why cant they say the above? Why do they fall into the "GOP is in turmoil" meme that the liberals and MSM are pushing? can't they even see it?

No they can't - because they are part of the problem and not a solution. They need to be taught a lesson and sacrificing one or two house members is the absolute way to do it.

But let's get Trump elected first. Do NOT give up. He is not done. And his election will also teach these same GOPe idiots, and the #nevertrumper fools, who are trying to get Hitlery elected a lesson as well.

Send the above talking points to your own congress-critters and local GOP folks. Let's get on the same page and let's always be taking about the above points and how Donald Trump is the solution to all of the above . . . . and NOTHING else.

Posted by: Publius Redux at October 11, 2016 02:57 PM (Fb9aZ)

642 My Bologna

https://youtu.be/C4_G7HHJ0GE

Posted by: Alligator Dundee at October 11, 2016 02:57 PM (IqV8l)

643 Our diversity is our strength.

We are Legion.

Posted by: Average Joe at October 11, 2016 02:58 PM (QQ+il)

644 Minor quibble - we are a Constitutionally based, democratically elected representative republic. Even so, the People are still the boss, and our reps have to actually represent us. They don't.

When my paid attorney has cut a deal with his best buddy (and under the table business partner) District Attorney to plead me, and innocent man, to murder, but I'm to be executed by a gunshot instead of being drawn and quartered, I'd wouldn't call that representing me. I'd rather pick the 3 Card Monte scammer on the street outside the courthouse as my lawyer, because the chance exists he can actually convince or scam a jury in my favor, and he sure as hell ain't partying with my executioner at the bar later that day.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at October 11, 2016 02:58 PM (nWmg2)

645 Can you name another way to get a politicians attention that doesn't include threatening their position?
--
Be a big donor or bundler, and threaten not to donate. Or worse, to donate to his or her opponent.

That's still a threat to their position, I'll grant you. But it helps if you can say "I've been responsible for raising $X,XXX,XXX for you over the years, and now, I'm giving it to your adversary."

You'll get a call back then.

Posted by: Revenant at October 11, 2016 02:58 PM (3DSAh)

646 It's a human wave troll attack. Gentlemen! Prepare to defend yourselves!!

______

Awesome. Wish there were more wood in these rifles.

Posted by: Auscolpyr at October 11, 2016 02:58 PM (suO/a)

647 426 And I'm done with it. Bye folks, this used to be an interesting site at times.
Posted by: Conspiracy Thinking is a Disease at October 11, 2016 02:31 PM (qdQL/)

I do so love it when people that have never posted before let us know when they are leaving.

Posted by: buzzion at October 11, 2016 02:58 PM (z/Ubi)

648
With posts like this, it's no wonder all the cobs who were on the podcast left.
Posted by: Ghost of the Podcast at October 11, 2016 02:54 PM (RdrW

So much troll courage.

Down in the comments after 400 or 500 posts, where they hope to eel thru with out getting banned....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2016 02:58 PM (kdS6q)

649 Turn out the lights...the party's...oh wait, where'd ever'body go?

Posted by: Dandy Don Meredith at October 11, 2016 02:58 PM (hqZPQ)

650

heh

Posted by: $19,240,226,530,789.00 at October 11, 2016 02:58 PM (zu88C)

651 Funny thing is that Friday and yesterday there was a shit show email chain at work where a couple aholes just could not stop themselves from hitting "Reply All". That's all it takes. Just read and close.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 11, 2016 02:58 PM (x5ZBk)

652 isn't, you know, conservative on any issue besides immigration.
Posted by: Carl at October 11, 2016 02:51 PM (xhHQt)

News flash: in recent years, that issue has become big, to the point of being a litmus test.
Posted by: Curmudgeon

The blindness and stupidity is appalling. Immigration is an existential issue. It is the only crucial issue at the moment.

If we allow our sovereignty to be stolen away from us, we will never regain it, short of secession. If we allow our sovereignty to be stolen away from us, we ****CAN'T**** be conservative on any other issue, because we will always be outvoted.

Are the dolts who claim that you can be "conservative" on other issues, but liberal on immigration really that stupid? I don't see how that can be so.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 02:58 PM (iFgwk)

653 Hillary is evil

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 11, 2016 02:58 PM (N5OIo)

654
That is all Ryan & Co. does anyway, hold hearings, wave papers around in front the cameras and get outraged.

Now, now, that's not fair!

He also rubber stamps everything Obama wants.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 02:59 PM (Pby3z)

655 This message brought to you by The Republic of Texas
Posted by: Skunky Choom at October 11, 2016 02:56 PM (CbGSW)

By the grace of G-d. And I'd like to be home. I miss her dearly.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 02:59 PM (4ng05)

656 Who's the king in this scenario? When did Ryan strike? And how do you know he wasn't killed?
Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 02:56 PM (gmeXX)

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See my comment at 306.

He resurrected hinself with his debate performance.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2016 02:59 PM (8XRCm)

657 Who's the king in this scenario? When did Ryan strike? And how do you know he wasn't killed?
Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 02:56 PM (gmeXX)

Because we are not inundated with Polls .....

Posted by: Don Q. at October 11, 2016 02:59 PM (qf6WZ)

658 Well Glen Beck said it's our "moral" duty to elect Hillary... Evidently Ryan and His ilk agree...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 02:59 PM (O2RFr)

659 So there is an intelligence agency interfering in our elections, but it seems to be our own.

They coordinate with Hillary campaign, they don't suggest prosecution of Hillary crimes, and they claim Wikileaks is a Russian operation, even though in reading details it seems they don't really know that.

Trump = a chance to clean up DC (a little) ... at least to stop the Clinton Syndicate from gaining full control.

Posted by: Illiniwek at October 11, 2016 02:59 PM (n6rAX)

660 Anyone who thinks the Republicans haven't stopped Obama on anything deserve Trump.

Why the hell does Obama and his liberal supporters complain all of the time about being stopped? On gun control and higher taxes and more spending and...

You folks think if we had a Democratic Congress that there'd be no difference over the past four years?

Posted by: SteveMG at October 11, 2016 02:59 PM (MMkZy)

661 If you are demanding the R nominee withdraw a month before the election you are defacto in support of Hillary. This was obviously in the works for some time. Ryan needs to be replaced. he won't be, of course, but he should be.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2016 02:59 PM (EnGQE)

662 So, does Trump declare himself an independent after he wins, or does he stick with the R and burn it down from the inside?

Also, with this much tumult in the Republican Party, what is a RINO anymore?

Posted by: A Blinkin at October 11, 2016 02:59 PM (UvLb8)

663 Can you name another way to get a politicians attention that doesn't include threatening their position?
==========================

Hmmmm....I'll have to think that one over.

Posted by: Maximillian Robespierre at October 11, 2016 02:59 PM (/m8T6)

664 Who's the king in this scenario? When did Ryan strike? And how do you know he wasn't killed?

Trump. The nominee.
When his butt buddy released the pussy tape.
He's still campaigning.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 11, 2016 02:59 PM (EMrMF)

665 Wait just a minute....what has the GOP done to stop Obama? To stop the SC from going so far left? To stop Obamacare?

Not a damn thing.....your family's healthcare insurance was STOLEN out from under you...and the GOP did nothing. So the Tea Party was born.

Then they dissed the Tea Party; joining the media/Dems in calling them violent and extreme.

What makes anyone here think they will stop Hillary???

Posted by: Pam at October 11, 2016 02:59 PM (cF0hS)

666 And to declare in this situation that solid Republicans like Paul Ryan should be abandoned, is simply outrageous.

Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 02:50 PM (jdVse)

=========

"Republicans like Paul Ryan should be abandoned "

toodles, toots.

Posted by: $19,240,226,530,789.00 at October 11, 2016 03:00 PM (zu88C)

667 Yeah no. Not mine to vote for but I can never vote for a Democrat. Libs never break ranks. I have to hope that if Trump is elected he will make Ryan his bitch, but vote for a Democrat...no.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'humanist' at October 11, 2016 03:00 PM (B+MYz)

668 they sued Obama over the recess appointments to the NLRB.

ROFLMAO! They surrendered on that even before the Court came out in their favor. You don't remember the deal they made, I take it.

And it was a pussy move (and Constitutionally incorrect) to sue. They are Congress. They have the power to impeach. They ahve the power to hold money back. They could have, at the very least, impeached his appointments, if they didn't have the guts to make any move against him.

That was a classic Vichy GOP move, actually. A CLASSIC.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 11, 2016 03:00 PM (zc3Db)

669 The Ryan wing of the GOP ignored us after the 2010 election.

The Ryan wing of the GOP ignored us after the 2014 election.

The Ryan wing of the GOP is actively siding with Hillary Clinton in this election. He did so by directly and publicly writing off the Republican nominee for the presidency.

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2016 03:00 PM (JBggj)

670 We are Legion.
Posted by: Average Joe at October 11, 2016 02:58 PM (QQ+il)

In your own mind.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:00 PM (4ng05)

671 Gimme some of that mish stewardess.

Posted by: Zombie Frank Gifford at October 11, 2016 03:01 PM (89T5c)

672 What we've seen from Congress since we've given them both houses has been ridiculous. We get hearings and contempt citations and...crickets.

We get 'omnibus' and 'continuing' shit instead of funding bills that put Valerie Jarrett's belongings on the curb with a 'Free!' sign on them.

Posted by: Dick at October 11, 2016 03:01 PM (TppKb)

673 This is a revolution--bloodless so far. No strange fruit from the lampposts or voting from the rooftops or slashing guillotines but a revolution none the less.

The establishment realizes the existential threat Trump represents. We need to stand tough and fight and be willing to face all the fear that is being pushed. this IS fucking war.

Fight for a Trump win and don't let the trolls get you down. But be to be clear, without defeating the GOPe in this battle we have no future as an American Republic grounded by a Bill of Rights. The goal for both parties is to move us into some European "democracy" where we work for the politicians and they hand out whatever crumbs they see fit from time to time. We'll have the same "freedom" your average serf in Germany or France enjoys.

Things really are there... The actions you've seen from GOPe should leave no doubt there there exists an opposition party. Stay strong, be FUCKING AMERICANS, fight this to the end and keep fighting whatever may come. Don't let fear keep the establishment in the driver's seat. Things will not reverse course under their leadership.

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at October 11, 2016 03:01 PM (USf3s)

674 Well shit. Cancel all future elections! Begonia will be picking our leaders until the rest of us can figure this shit out.

Like Begonia.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 02:54 PM (4ng05)
_____

I dont wanna blow my own trumpet, but if people had indeed listened to me, the GOP certainly wouldnt be in this disaster.

We could have watched our nominee put the fear of the risen Christ in the Clintons right now. Instead we have to watch this slow-motion human trainwreck throwing the most winnable election in decades away.

Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 03:01 PM (jdVse)

675 Who's the king in this scenario? When did Ryan strike? And how do you know he wasn't killed?
Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 02:56 PM (gmeXX)

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See my comment at 306.

He resurrected hinself with his debate performance.
Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2016 02:59 PM (8XRCm)

657 Who's the king in this scenario? When did Ryan strike? And how do you know he wasn't killed?
Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 02:56 PM (gmeXX)

Because we are not inundated with Polls .....

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If Ryan wins reelection and stays as Speaker and Trump loses, then I'd say that Ryan maybe did kill the king (assuming Trump was the king).

If that happens, was going after Ryan worth it?

Now maybe you would say heck yes. Which is fine. But it would strike me you didn't get what you wanted, which was a Ryan loss and a Trump win.

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 03:01 PM (gmeXX)

676 I think I left my sock on one post too many..LOL.

I think I will blame Ryan for that just like NeverTrumpers blame Trump for the shame they must suffer in their upper class northeast or west coast neighborhoods.

I think Joe Biden would approve...Brass Balls!

Posted by: William Eaton at October 11, 2016 03:01 PM (KhJh8)

677 >>That is all Ryan Co. does anyway, hold hearings, wave papers around in front the cameras and get outraged. Posted by: Joe Biden at October 11, 2016 02:57 PM (KhJh

Would be a shame to see Trey Gowdy get purged, ineffective blowhard that he is. Between the narrow head, the random barber-school haircuts, and the two-day stubble, the guy looks like a Low Country corn-likker baron with some fancy schoolin'...

Posted by: General Zod at October 11, 2016 03:01 PM (Bdeb0)

678 This message brought to you by The Republic of Texas
Posted by: Skunky Choom at October 11, 2016 02:56 PM (CbGSW)

By the grace of G-d. And I'd like to be home. I miss her dearly.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 02:59 PM (4ng05)

I manage to do a lot of things wrong, and my piss poor timing is legendary in my mind.

But one of the best things I did was move to Texas a few years ago. Better to be early than too late.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 11, 2016 03:01 PM (Idu2i)

679 Seriously - we gave the House and Senate to the Repubs to stop Obama and they didn't. Because raaacist.

Time to prepare for the natural end of our republic. Sorry Ben, we couldn't keep it. Too many jackals looking for free stuff, too many jackals afraid to rock the boat.

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: Miley's Deplorables at October 11, 2016 03:01 PM (L2UGl)

680 >>>581 This is insane. Ryan is probably the most conservative Speaker of the House ever. He's the only one to talk about the threat of entitlements and doesn't throw his full weight behind Trump because Trump, isn't, you know, conservative on any issue besides immigration.
Posted by: Carl at October 11, 2016 02:51 PM (xhHQt)>>>

LOL. Trump is as conservative as RomneyCare and Ryan felt comfortable enough with RomneyCare to be his running mate.

Posted by: gm at October 11, 2016 03:01 PM (4ueYo)

681 So, how's that John Boehner lawsuit coming along?

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 11, 2016 03:02 PM (JO9+V)

682 Ryan's ACU rating is 96%.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 11, 2016 03:02 PM (LgxQn)

683 Why the hell does Obama and his liberal supporters complain all of the time about being stopped? On gun control and higher taxes and more spending and...

Uh, because that is what progressives do. Whine about a problem, congress passes a slew of refs to fix the problem, keep whining about the problem until government grabs more power and control to fix the problem, repeat repeat repeat.

Posted by: A Blinkin at October 11, 2016 03:02 PM (UvLb8)

684 The concern trolls are too much for me....

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 03:02 PM (O2RFr)

685 Trump has to set up his "I was backstabbed" story.

Laying the groundwork now.

Seriously, the amount of time spent on some tiny sliver of "NeverTrump" could have been spent far more wisely somewhere else.

guess what? Democrats don't always endorse well, either - Pelosi endorsed someone the day before the election. Who cares.

Sure, I don't like the GOPe that much, but the endless time spent on them seems like its not delivering actual victory.

Maybe the thought is a purge will help later on?

Meh. I think its all done and we're now going to be European socialists with a Tory right wing and a White nationalist right wing.

Posted by: sexypig at October 11, 2016 03:02 PM (UBBWX)

686 Posted by: Tired Mom at October 11, 2016 02:53 PM (pG+Zb)

Good for you. Better to call or send an e-mail than for others just t!o gripe on here.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2016 03:02 PM (EnGQE)

687 I agree with the "all Ryan had to do was shut up" comments.

Truly, can no one, no one at all, play this game on our side?

Apparently, not.

For no other reason than that, Ryan has to go. He has zero grit and zero guts and zero will to win.

Feh.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 11, 2016 03:02 PM (0cMkb)

688 We could have watched our nominee put the fear of the risen Christ in the Clintons right now. Instead we have to watch this slow-motion human trainwreck throwing the most winnable election in decades away.
Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 03:01 PM (

Jeb woulda had her shakin' in her boots.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2016 03:03 PM (89T5c)

689 We need to kick Paul Ryan out, !temporarily!, until we have an extreme vetting process.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 11, 2016 03:03 PM (VdICR)

690 Spot the concern troll rule 1232 :

" Bow the knee" - Anytime a troll mentions "bowing the knee" to a presidential nominee, suspect a monarchy loving Democrat.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 11, 2016 03:03 PM (zu88C)

691 We could have watched our nominee put the fear of the risen Christ in the Clintons right now. Instead we have to watch this slow-motion human trainwreck throwing the most winnable election in decades away.
Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 03:01 PM (jdVse)

And if frogs had wings, they wouldn't slam their asses on the ground every time they hopped.

Good luck with your adventures in time travel.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:03 PM (4ng05)

692 All these people like Paul Ryan had to do was shut up.

Posted by: Maritime at October 11, 2016 02:56 PM (AQit7)

Agreed. He didn't have to say he endorses Trump's "pussy speech" all he had to do was not attack and stay noncommittally neutral like most politicians do.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Support the Arts! Do the Monster Mish at the Outrage Outlet! at October 11, 2016 03:03 PM (hLRSq)

693 Lot of typos trying to not be willowed for a change. Biggest one meant to say "no opposion party"

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at October 11, 2016 03:03 PM (USf3s)

694 All these people like Paul Ryan had to do was shut up.
......

asking a politician to shut up is like asking them to quit breathing

Posted by: wth at October 11, 2016 03:03 PM (HgMAr)

695 I dont wanna blow my own trumpet, but if people had indeed listened to me, the GOP certainly wouldnt be in this disaster.

Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 03:01 PM (jdVse)

Blessed are the cheesemakers?

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 11, 2016 03:03 PM (JO9+V)

696 What's the difference between Paul Ryan and a male hooker on the Sunset Strip?

Not one fucking difference.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 11, 2016 03:03 PM (6Ll1u)

697 "So, how's that John Boehner lawsuit coming along?"

do you mean Congress vs. Obama?

Actually, IIRC its going well!

Seriously, a side show, but one that should be done.

Posted by: sexypig at October 11, 2016 03:03 PM (UBBWX)

698 Begonia's writing Mary Sue fanfic now.

That should go over well on her 'Twilight' fan page.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 03:04 PM (Pby3z)

699 674 I dont wanna blow my own trumpet, but if people had indeed listened to me, the GOP certainly wouldnt be in this disaster.
============================

Your complete fatheadedness is astounding.

The "GOP" is in this fix precisely because of listening to people like you.

Posted by: Maximillian Robespierre at October 11, 2016 03:04 PM (/m8T6)

700 The GOP has promised to repeal Obamacare, over and over and over again. For several (midterm) election cycles now. Have they taken any action whatsoever? Oh, some showy repeal bills were passed that they know would never pass the Senate and sure as hell would be vetoed by King Barry.

Until the fucking individual mandate is done away with, we are not a free people. Period. Every one us is now shackled for the simple fact that we exist. And every child born is now shackled to buy a product. That is not freedom. It is not safety. It's not anything except tyranny. Plain and simple.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 11, 2016 03:04 PM (vg8iE)

701 We could have watched our nominee put the fear of the risen Christ in the Clintons right now.

LOL. That's very amusing. Trump does not strike me as a possible martyr for the Christian faith. I'd vote for a dead opossum rather than Hillary but Trump as Christian righteous warrior-----nope.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2016 03:05 PM (EnGQE)

702 Trump has to set up his "I was backstabbed" story.

Laying the groundwork now.

============

That particular story is true.

I don't understand those who ignore it. We see what we want to see I suppose.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 11, 2016 03:05 PM (zu88C)

703 Honestly, I'm going to need a revolving door...

Posted by: The Barrel at October 11, 2016 03:05 PM (vyqqu)

704 Count de Monet - Welcome!

Posted by: the barrel at October 11, 2016 03:05 PM (zbt/l)

705 Barbarian is derived from L. 'barbarus': of foreign tongue or unintelligible.

Posted by: Afroman at October 11, 2016 03:05 PM (f5sT8)

706 But one of the best things I did was move to Texas a few years ago. Better to be early than too late.
Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 11, 2016 03:01 PM (Idu2i)

It's still home, so I'm fairly certain they'll open the door for me, but yeah, I'd trade places with ya.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:05 PM (4ng05)

707
"The people" - a majority of them - were against the Republicans
shutting down government. They're against a lot of things that we need
to have done.
=====

Rs won the biggest majority EVER after the shutdown. If the GOPers consciously decided to squander that opportunity, shame on them.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 11, 2016 03:05 PM (MIKMs)

708 Hey, do you know who else could have shut up occasionally?

serisously, its weird being both for/against Trump and Ryan...like two kinds of suck.

Maybe mutual implosion is better!

Posted by: sexypig at October 11, 2016 03:05 PM (UBBWX)

709 >>>I dont wanna blow my own trumpet, but if people had indeed listened to me, the GOP certainly wouldnt be in this disaster.

What disaster? Who else would have done to Clinton what was done Sunday? Romney? Jeb?

Show your work.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 03:05 PM (iFgwk)

710 Agreed. He didn't have to say he endorses Trump's "pussy speech" all he had to do was not attack and stay noncommittally neutral like most politicians do.

MO Senator Roy Blunt issued a masterful statement of meaningless bullshit that managed to avoid taking a solid position on either side.

Frankly, it was that skill that didn't immediately put him on my 'vote the asshole out' list.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 03:06 PM (Pby3z)

711
Yes, the elected representatives have to "represent" us (that's a tautology) but that doesn't mean they have to do what we want. Whoever "we" is.

There is no such thing as "the people." It's not a single entity; it's vast group of individuals grouped into different interests and views. It's not a monolithic "thing" that the elected representatives can consult.

One of the problems turning back the damages that Obama has done is because of the very checks and balances that conservatives support. Once something is passed it's hard to undo it IF the opposition controls the Presidency.

All of this bitching and moaning about Ryan and the Republican Congress ignores the problem that you have running the country from Congress.

You guys want things that cannot be done.

Posted by: SteveMG at October 11, 2016 03:06 PM (MMkZy)

712 "I do not believe that the solution to our problem is simply to elect
the right people. The important thing is to establish a political
climate of opinion which will make it politically profitable for the
wrong people to do the right thing. Unless it is politically profitable
for the wrong people to do the right thing, the right people will not do
the right thing either, or if they try, they will shortly be out of
office."
-Milton Friedman

Posted by: zmdavid at October 11, 2016 03:06 PM (xqRaG)

713 Ryan conservative? When he figured Barry hadn't asked for enough money in a spending bill, ol' Paul just added more taxpayer debt than Barry requested.

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2016 03:06 PM (JBggj)

714 I dont wanna blow my own trumpet,

Posted by: Begonia

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You don't know what you are missing.

Posted by: Dogs at October 11, 2016 03:06 PM (zu88C)

715 LOL. That's very amusing. Trump does not strike me
as a possible martyr for the Christian faith. I'd vote for a dead
opossum rather than Hillary but Trump as Christian righteous
warrior-----nope.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke

As it stands I'd agree. Still...the Lord has chosen stranger folk to do His will...

Posted by: The Barrel at October 11, 2016 03:06 PM (vyqqu)

716 682 Ryan's ACU rating is 96%.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 11, 2016 03:02 PM (LgxQn)
==============================

Oh please, the ACU is a Ryan front organization. The Heritage rating is 66%.

Posted by: Maximillian Robespierre at October 11, 2016 03:06 PM (/m8T6)

717 "solid Republicans like Paul Ryan"
"Who's the king in this scenario? When did Ryan strike? And how do you know he wasn't killed?"

Solid pet RINO in Dem state. Pussy grabber is King. When Ryan opened his mouth. Media still trotting out unbelievable polls.

Posted by: what? at October 11, 2016 03:06 PM (8cftc)

718 All these people like Paul Ryan had to do was shut up.

That is not who we are!

Harumph!

Posted by: National Review at October 11, 2016 03:06 PM (XkVXQ)

719 BTW...i have McCain. And I need to shower after voting for him. But vote for the name Democrat? No. No. No.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'humanist' at October 11, 2016 03:07 PM (B+MYz)

720 Who else would have done to Clinton what was done Sunday?

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While you may be right about that, does it matter if he loses? And he only did because of the tape - which I think was a smart counter. But he really didn't say it before?

But of course Trump may fight in a way different than other nominees. That can be good and bad.

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 03:07 PM (gmeXX)

721 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2016 03:05 PM (EnGQE)

Oh, I'm sorry. You meant Cruz. I would have supported cruz but he would having a harder time than trump now, I suspect. The only one who can put the fear of the risen Christ into Hillary is the risen Christ.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2016 03:07 PM (EnGQE)

722 I dont wanna blow my own trumpet, but if people had indeed listened to me, the GOP certainly wouldnt be in this disaster.

We're drowning in a bukkake of stupid.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2016 03:07 PM (89T5c)

723 This BS hasn't changed anybody's mind. It's all the same NeverTrumpers who briefly shut up for a few weeks who suddenly have an excuse to run back to their NeverTrump safe space, that's all.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 03:07 PM (Pby3z)

724 >>We could have watched our nominee put the fear of the risen Christ in
the Clintons right now. Instead we have to watch this slow-motion human
trainwreck throwing the most winnable election in decades away.

Hey now! You know how repellent the social cons are to the rest of the GOP - you're going to scare off all of the GOPe "centrists" with that extremist talk!
Next you're going to tell me Jeb would have been a force for ending SSM and abortion....

Posted by: Lizzy at October 11, 2016 03:08 PM (NOIQH)

725 83% of ACU Ratings are made up on the spot 92% of the time.

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2016 03:08 PM (J82wy)

726 As it stands I'd agree. Still...the Lord has chosen stranger folk to do His will...
Posted by: The Barrel at October 11, 2016 03:06 PM (vyqqu)

Yes, even Judas had his purpose. God works in mysterious ways, so they say.

Posted by: spypeach at October 11, 2016 03:08 PM (nyYhO)

727 We could have watched our nominee put the fear of the risen Christ in the Clintons right now. Instead we have to watch this slow-motion human trainwreck throwing the most winnable election in decades away.
Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 03:01 PM (jdVse)

And who would that have been? Your buddy Jeb? Kasich?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 11, 2016 03:08 PM (Idu2i)

728 So what exactly are we arguing here? Ryans right and we shouldn't back trump meaning we should vote for Hillary? How on Gods green earth is that "helpful" to the republican party?

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 03:08 PM (O2RFr)

729 "I don't understand those who ignore it. We see what we want to see I suppose."

Trump wasn't backstabbed, dude.

He takes everything personally, didn't prepare for the 1st debate, says wild stuff off camera, lies a lot, etc.

He did 95% of the work himself.

but everyone here is focused on 5% nevertrump like it matters. it doesn't.

Romney couldn't get some GOP voters who were super Christians, or didn't like "rich bosses" or whatever. This is normal. Some hated Bush I and II, too.

When you keep emphasizing the intra-party battles, it shows. See Bernie Sanders - is he attacking Clinton? No. That's how the left wins.

That said, I don't mind if GOPe gets burned down. They were useless.

Posted by: sexypig at October 11, 2016 03:08 PM (UBBWX)

730 682 Ryan's ACU rating is 96%.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 11, 2016 03:02 PM (LgxQn)

------------------------------------------------

C = Conservative = Conserve the Hill the Progs Built

Posted by: William Eaton at October 11, 2016 03:09 PM (KhJh8)

731 I dont wanna blow my own trumpet,

Posted by: Begonia

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You don't know what you are missing.

Posted by: Dogs at October 11, 2016 03:06 PM (zu88C)

Word!

Posted by: Ron Jeremy at October 11, 2016 03:09 PM (JO9+V)

732 All these people like Paul Ryan had to do was shut up.
...........

and go apply more nipple rouge

Posted by: wth at October 11, 2016 03:09 PM (HgMAr)

733 Months ago I said Trump couldn't win, and we were better off nominating Cruz.

I was both right and wrong.

What I didn't understand at the time was how willing the Republican establishment was to actively sabotage their own candidate if he threatened their hold on power.

In retrospect it was a dumb thing to ignore. Cruz also couldn't win for the same reason.

Since it has been decided for us that we are to have no voice in our governance, and that the leftist agenda is to be instituted over our objections it really doesn't matter. The permanent destruction of the GOP is the only long term possible solution. I'll be dead before it can possibly happen.

Time to move on to the voting. We will see if there are enough people left in the country who are willing to ignore the instructions of their betters, and vote to put brakes on the ruling class. There probably aren't, but I wouldn't have thought there were enough Brits to vote to leave the EU either.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 11, 2016 03:10 PM (PJAgF)

734 Well, if the WSJ poll showed an 11% lead for Hillary on Monday, and the poll they're touting at CNBC shows a 9% lead for Hillary on Tuesday, then Trump's at least heading in the right direction. By Sunday, he'll be ahead.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 11, 2016 03:10 PM (hqZPQ)

735 If I could bow my own trumpet I'd never get out of bed.

Posted by: Weiner at October 11, 2016 03:10 PM (B+MYz)

736 This thread needs more puthy.

Posted by: Mike Tyson at October 11, 2016 03:10 PM (RD7QR)

737 " Ryans right and we shouldn't back trump meaning we should vote for Hillary? How on Gods green earth is that "helpful" to the republican party?"

Ryan is partially right. Trump is partially right. The GOP needs to burn down.

The other good news...Hillary will be hated.

The problem is she gets SCOTUS.

But really, does that matter now?

Posted by: sexypig at October 11, 2016 03:10 PM (UBBWX)

738 380--- I respectfully disagree with Ace here. The image of super smug Nancy Pelosi taking that victory lap as a symbolic FU with the gavel when Dems controlled everything in 2009-2010 is enough for me to support the GOP keeping the House, including Ryan keeping his seat. Ryan may be weak, but Pelosi/Hoyer/Cummings are pure evil. Sorry.
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 11, 2016 02:25 PM
----------------------------------------
AMEN.

Now, if I were in Ryan's district and were certain the GOP was going to hold the House, I might indeed vote against him.
But those who say the GOP and Dem Houses are "exactly the same" are IMO wrong.

Besides, if it IS all over and the Left has killed the Republic, as I believe to be the case, why should I go out of my way to make them happy?

A lot of people here may not see a difference between the GOP and the Dems, but you can bet that the Left does. They weep and wail when they lose to a GOP, even if it's a DIABLO.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 11, 2016 03:11 PM (Nox3c)

739 I dont wanna blow

Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 03:01 PM (jdVse)
That wasn't your attitude last night.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at October 11, 2016 03:11 PM (7ajAz)

740 What's all the fuss about some guy wanting to grab a little pussy?

Posted by: Tom Jones at October 11, 2016 03:11 PM (HgMAr)

741 734 Well, if the WSJ poll showed an 11% lead for Hillary on Monday, and the poll they're touting at CNBC shows a 9% lead for Hillary on Tuesday, then Trump's at least heading in the right direction. By Sunday, he'll be ahead.

The WSJ poll was paid for by the Clinton campaign... I don't know about the other...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 03:11 PM (O2RFr)

742 At least MUMR is an entertaining troll.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 11, 2016 03:11 PM (Idu2i)

743 So what exactly are we arguing here? Ryans right and we shouldn't back trump meaning we should vote for Hillary? How on Gods green earth is that "helpful" to the republican party?
-----------------------------------------------------

Ryan thinks he can make a deal with us along the same lines as Democrats agreeing to spending cuts.

You know the drill: agree to our massive tax increase now and we agree to pass your spending cut at the end of next year.

Posted by: Maximillian Robespierre at October 11, 2016 03:12 PM (/m8T6)

744 I won't vote republican again, but not because of Ace's post. Ace being the king and intelligent blog master seems restrained in his position. I am simply angry at the republicans because they took away the only reason I voted for them. That reason was that at the very least they would block the most significant aspects of the progressive agenda. They have not done that, ergo why vote for them?

Posted by: lightning at October 11, 2016 03:12 PM (pwONV)

745 What's the difference between Paul Ryan and a male hooker on the Sunset Strip?

Not one fucking difference.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby
---
Well, to be fair, the male hooker admits he's a hooker.

Posted by: Biergood at October 11, 2016 03:12 PM (v8Lx/)

746 "Time to move on to the voting."

amen!

I like politics, but maybe a 2 year presidential nomination process is too long.

If we had the UK 3 month system, Trump would be president already.

Posted by: sexypig at October 11, 2016 03:12 PM (UBBWX)

747 But really, does that matter now?

Posted by: sexypig at October 11, 2016 03:10 PM (UBBWX)

If Dems get a sammich it matters.

Posted by: Weiner at October 11, 2016 03:12 PM (B+MYz)

748 Cruz is the sourdough Christ.

Posted by: General Zod at October 11, 2016 03:13 PM (Bdeb0)

749 None of this will matter when Hillary nukes Great Britain for Brexit. They'll get in line same as the rest of the irredeemable scum.

Posted by: Fritz at October 11, 2016 03:13 PM (2Mnv1)

750
We're seriously going to jettison one of the few serious architects of practical, politically possible entitlement reform over this candidacy?

Partisan national politics aren't ultimately going to be the answer to our ongoing national disintegration, but this seems....extreme.

Possibly it doesn't really even matter. We're at the cusp of the Burning Times anyway.
Posted by: Fred at October 11, 2016 01:46 PM (eRsMQ)

Good luck getting entitlement reform when you are flooding the country with immigrants and refugees. There will be no entitlement reform. Ryan can't even pass a budget.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at October 11, 2016 03:13 PM (Ee2nz)

751 140
"The Republican Party is only worth anything in so far as it represents the interests of American citizens against the tyranny of the left. So when The Party, or at least the people running it at the national level, have sided with the Left against their own national candidate, fuck them."

This needs to be repeated.
Over and over again

Posted by: Grad School Fool at October 11, 2016 03:13 PM (swEzU)

752 "That reason was that at the very least they would block the most significant aspects of the progressive agenda. They have not done that, ergo why vote for them?"

They did a bit of that. Rubio on the ACA insurance subsidies. Sequester...for a year.

Culturally, we've been losing for decades and I don't think a party can stop it.

Ace may have the key in the NFL boycott.

Posted by: sexypig at October 11, 2016 03:13 PM (UBBWX)

753 726 As it stands I'd agree. Still...the Lord has chosen stranger folk to do His will...
Posted by: The Barrel at October 11, 2016 03:06 PM (vyqqu)

Yes, even Judas had his purpose. God works in mysterious ways, so they say.

Posted by: spypeach at October 11, 2016 03:08 PM (nyYhO)

Jesus was subject to stoning by the establishment of his day, just like our Mr. Trump.

Posted by: Pat Robertson at October 11, 2016 03:14 PM (kZVsz)

754 So, the GOP is imploding?

I'm OK with that.

They made promises. About things like "Obamacare." And a "balanced budget."

They flat out lied and worked with Democrats against the people who elected them.

Eff them all.

Let
It
Burn

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at October 11, 2016 03:14 PM (tvyXw)

755 but I wouldn't have thought there were enough Brits to vote to leave the EU either.

Yep

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2016 03:14 PM (ZIx/C)

756 Posted by: sexypig

Uh, the (R) Speaker of the House just refused to support the nominee of the (R) party .

That's backstabbing.

Dude.

Posted by: Dogs at October 11, 2016 03:14 PM (zu88C)

757 Did all the Ryan fans come in the same clown car?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 03:14 PM (Pby3z)

758 Alas, my drink is finished and I must head off to work.

Carry on peeps.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 11, 2016 03:14 PM (Idu2i)

759 744 I won't vote republican again, but not because of Ace's post. Ace being the king and intelligent blog master seems restrained in his position. I am simply angry at the republicans because they took away the only reason I voted for them. That reason was that at the very least they would block the most significant aspects of the progressive agenda. They have not done that, ergo why vote for them?

Posted by: lightning at October 11, 2016 03:12 PM (pwONV)

So cut off your nose to spite your face?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'humanist' at October 11, 2016 03:14 PM (B+MYz)

760 The link goes to a Hot Air article that is Never Trump in tone, somewhat moderated by a craven calculation that Trump might actually pull this off. The author is a complacent establishment type who can't recognize that the ground is shifting under their feet.

What's the use of Hot Air? Just another sold out, exposed, fallen-mask uniparty fake conservative.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 11, 2016 03:15 PM (/f6Nd)

761 / arf!

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 11, 2016 03:15 PM (zu88C)

762 So, the GOP is imploding?

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Is it?

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 03:15 PM (gmeXX)

763 Elect Trump AND destroy the Republican Party?

OMG, it's like Christmas.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 03:15 PM (Pby3z)

764 and Cruz!

Jesus, his timing is awful.

He had the one legit reason to never endorse: personal attacks on wife and father.

Whelp...2020 will be fun.

Posted by: sexypig at October 11, 2016 03:15 PM (UBBWX)

765 None of this will matter when Hillary nukes Great
Britain for Brexit. They'll get in line same as the rest of the
irredeemable scum.

Posted by: Fritz at October 11, 2016 03:13 PM (2Mnv1)

Fear will keep the other systems in line . . .

Posted by: Grand Moff Tarkin at October 11, 2016 03:15 PM (JO9+V)

766 A pathetic man child who cannot control the passing of his urine when a Democrat or the media say a bad thing about them is just what we need in the Republican party.

Opps, damn. I missed the timing on that particular boat by a million miles. That's all the Republicans really stand for.
Uncontrolled pissing.

Posted by: Drider at October 11, 2016 03:15 PM (bdzyz)

767 I get why begonia and creatures like that are tolerated. But can't they be presented with a litmus test: if you are not trolls or charlatans, answer a few questions straightforwardly. Let's see if you have an actual valid position.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 03:15 PM (iFgwk)

768 If Ryan and Romney had ran and fought as hard against Obama in 2012 as they are against Trump in 2016, Romney would be running for re-election (for what that would be worth) and we wouldn't even be talking about Trump.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 11, 2016 03:16 PM (XZcuX)

769 Ace: "Vote for Ryan's Democratic opponent, whoever that is. Boot him out of Congress, and badly damage any hopes he has to be president anytime soon."

Threadwinner!

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 11, 2016 03:16 PM (1CroS)

770
a movement that has declined into unseriousness, isolation, and purity battles. When conservatives start working for actual solutions in the context of political diversity, rather than refusing to take part in the process.....

- Ed Morrissey

Conservative solutions -- within "the context of political diversity".

Good ol' Ed.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2016 03:16 PM (kdS6q)

771 That's all the Republicans really stand for.
Uncontrolled pissing.

Stand with me!

Posted by: John McCain at October 11, 2016 03:16 PM (Pby3z)

772 682 Ryan's ACU rating is 96%.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 11, 2016 03:02 PM (LgxQn)

Ryan could turn water into Val-U-Rite... He took $6 billion from the veterans and then justified it with bullshit.

And now he's getting his rocks off trying to play queen maker. He gives jackasses a good name.

If he was on fire, I wouldn't take my dick out to piss on him.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:16 PM (4ng05)

773 >>>745 What's the difference between Paul Ryan and a male hooker on the Sunset Strip?

Paul Ryan kissed on the mouth?

Posted by: wooga at October 11, 2016 03:16 PM (XfAv1)

774 #750

Good luck getting entitlement reform when you are flooding the country
with immigrants and refugees. There will be no entitlement reform.
Ryan can't even pass a budget.

=======================

True, that. Huge ominbus spending bills that obfuscate the burden Congress is placing on future generations of the Americans.

If, in the future, Americans are still allowed to call themselves "Americans".

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2016 03:16 PM (JBggj)

775 So, the GOP is imploding?

I'm OK with that.

They made promises. About things like "Obamacare." And a "balanced budget."

They flat out lied and worked with Democrats against the people who elected them.

Eff them all.

Let
It
Burn

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people
.............

apparently Trump is the hill to die on

Posted by: wth at October 11, 2016 03:17 PM (HgMAr)

776 If Ryan and Romney had ran and fought as hard against Obama in 2012 as they are against Trump in 2016, Romney would be running for re-election (for what that would be worth) and we wouldn't even be talking about Trump.
---
Exactly.

Trump is what they fear: anti-establishment.

This is no longer Democrat vs. Republican.

It's Establishment vs. Antiestablisment.

Do you want to be ruled, as a serf? I don't.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at October 11, 2016 03:17 PM (tvyXw)

777 If Ryan and Romney had ran and fought as hard against Obama in 2012 as they are against Trump in 2016, Romney would be running for re-election (for what that would be worth) and we wouldn't even be talking about Trump.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 11, 2016 03:16 PM (XZcuX)

This right here!

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:17 PM (4ng05)

778
Opps, damn. I missed the timing on that particular boat by a million miles. That's all the Republicans really stand for.
Uncontrolled pissing.
Posted by: Drider at October 11, 2016 03:15 PM (bdzyz)

You get used to it.

Posted by: Hillary at October 11, 2016 03:17 PM (89T5c)

779 768,
Too bad ol captain Ed can't comprehend that.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 03:18 PM (C9pBZ)

780 If Ryan and Romney had ran and fought as hard against Obama in 2012 as they are against Trump in 2016, Romney would be running for re-election (for what that would be worth) and we wouldn't even be talking about Trump.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 11, 2016 03:16 PM (XZcuX)

This can never be said too many times.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 11, 2016 03:18 PM (0cMkb)

781 682 Ryan's ACU rating is 96%.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

And I have never struck out in the Major Leagues!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 11, 2016 03:18 PM (ODxAs)

782 Ace: "Vote for Ryan's Democratic opponent, whoever that is. Boot him out of Congress, and badly damage any hopes he has to be president anytime soon."

Threadwinner!

If only that were possible. Being it isn't. Who was the schmuck that Ryan was campaigning for. Yeah whats his face. Vote Feingold instead.

Posted by: Drider at October 11, 2016 03:18 PM (bdzyz)

783 What if Trump and Ryan going after one another actually helps both sides?

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 03:18 PM (gmeXX)

784 Ugh. Sock-b-gone, yo.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, That Deplorable Guy at October 11, 2016 03:18 PM (vyqqu)

785 749 None of this will matter when Hillary nukes Great Britain for Brexit. They'll get in line same as the rest of the irredeemable scum.
Posted by: Fritz at October 11, 2016 03:13 PM (2Mnv1)

----------------------------------------------------------------

The she will invade Russia with Marshal La McCain by her side...which of course never ends well. Vlad the Victorious then declares the reestablishment of Byzantine Empire.

Posted by: William Eaton at October 11, 2016 03:18 PM (KhJh8)

786 Miss me yet?

Posted by: Jeb! at October 11, 2016 03:18 PM (BoFYZ)

787 If Trump had shown over the years a dedication to these principles instead of sucking up to the Clintons and Schumers and liberals then you can say he's our man.

But he comes along and hijacks the party not for anything other than whatever he thinks of that day and we're supposed to just uncritically salute him?

And then you complain about being ruled and not being taken seriously?

Geezus, like Trump has listened to anyone?

The tape is the latest in a long, long string of events showing that he's not serious. Yes, I talked like Trump did but I was no more qualified to be president than any other horny 20-something.

As Reagan said, "Boys will be boys but they won't be president."

And boy Donald won't be.

Our task now is to stop the damage that Hillary and her leftwing statists will try to do. So we need to suck it up and get to work and stop having tantrums because life isn't fair. Guess what? It's not.

Posted by: SteveMG at October 11, 2016 03:18 PM (MMkZy)

788 Perhaps Ryan simply has a yeast infection and isn't thinking correctly.

Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at October 11, 2016 03:18 PM (75WaT)

789
Also, Paul Ryan's Democratic opponent:

Ryan Solen

http://www.solenforcongress.com/

Via con Dios.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2016 03:18 PM (kdS6q)

790 @sexypig

You're analysis is , like RedSlate, NROllover and others, based on

a: your Romney butthurt
b: your emotional dislike of Trump
c: your disingenuous support of conservative thought in the first place.

or all of the above ( which in total , is the basis for the nevertrump bullshit)

shorter version? don't let the door hit you in the ass , prog.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 11, 2016 03:18 PM (zu88C)

791 "Uh, the (R) Speaker of the House just refused to support the nominee of the (R) party .

That's backstabbing."

No, its not. We're individuals and allowed to support whoever we want. Same with party members.

If Trump tomorrow said he wanted to kill all the left-handed people, would you be all "I have to support him because otherwise I'm a backstabber?"

no.

Also, if this website fills up with "backstabbed!" people instead of people who can't take their medicine, its going to suck.

(I will give you 3 months - that's what it took for me with Cruz...)

Posted by: sexypig at October 11, 2016 03:19 PM (UBBWX)

792 They did a bit of that. Rubio on the ACA insurance subsidies. Sequester...for a year.

Culturally, we've been losing for decades and I don't think a party can stop it.

Ace may have the key in the NFL boycott.
Posted by: sexypig at October 11, 2016 03:13 PM (UBBWX)

Yeah, you know doing some minor things is nice but they've failed overall. It's like an employee who shows up on time, gets some basic work done, and does nothing on the main projects he is supposed to do. That gets you fired.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at October 11, 2016 03:19 PM (Ee2nz)

793 Trump is doing the important work of pulling in people that don't vote and turn them into voters.

The Republican party cannot win or even survive keeping the exact same policies year after year. The Repub party has not grown since 2004. Trump will make is grow. Some people don't like that because their power base gets shifted (less CoC and more populism). Too bad.

Hillary meanwhile is busy alienating a third to half her base, the working whites (that's the deplorables).

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 11, 2016 03:19 PM (N5OIo)

794 Ryan is the most conservative Speaker we've ever had?

Posted by: Newt at October 11, 2016 03:19 PM (Pby3z)

795 Wow this place has changed since the last time I visited. Ace has gone over to the Socialist Left and is using Marxist talking points. The people here are rooting for the Democrats to win Congress. This place is slightly to the left of Daily Kos now. Huffington Post is more conservative than Ace's. Times have changed.

Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:19 PM (oDFTq)

796 The Democrat/Republican/Media uniparty establishment is forcing me to support Trump. It's their idea. They insist upon it. They accept no alternative.

From Hell's heart I strike at thee.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 11, 2016 03:19 PM (/f6Nd)

797 762 So, the GOP is imploding?

-------------

Is it?
Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 03:15 PM (gmeXX)

Looks kind of like it. If you look at the leaked emails, so are the Democrats once the Clinton machine loses control. No matter who wins the House, and the Presidency, the next four years are going to be hard on the sanity.

Posted by: syberpunk at October 11, 2016 03:19 PM (53DnI)

798 It's then, at that crucial moment, that I knew that my one and only love of my life was in danger and I had to risk everything -- even my life -- to save him, to save the man of my dreams: Jeb.

Posted by: Mary Sue Begonia at October 11, 2016 03:19 PM (RD7QR)

799 apparently Trump is the hill to die on
---

That wasn't my plan, but I can't support Democrats, and I can't support Republicans who support Democrats. And it seems that the majority of the Republican party now supports the efforts of the Democrats.

I do not want to participate in an Establishment Uniparty.

The only person who is against that is Trump, who they despise even more than their political rivals.

As JoeF pointed out in an earlier post, Romney and Ryan are fighting much harder against Trump than they even fought against Obama. What does that say about the system?

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at October 11, 2016 03:20 PM (tvyXw)

800 Our task now is to stop the damage that Hillary and her leftwing statists will try to do. So we need to suck it up and get to work and stop having tantrums because life isn't fair. Guess what? It's not.
Posted by: SteveMG at October 11, 2016 03:18 PM (MMkZy)

Or maybe we could all just STFU and not tell everyone else what their task is.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:20 PM (4ng05)

801 This would be great - and welcomed - if it were, say, three months into a Trump presidency. But as this is happening now, all this does is solidify my thinking that Trump is in this for one sole purpose: to help his friend.

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at October 11, 2016 03:21 PM (ZBf2T)

802 : Neil

???

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 03:21 PM (O2RFr)

803 It's a sad day when you realize there is no longer an opposition party, and likely hasn't been in any real sense for decades. But knowledge is power. It clarifies everything down to the Forrest instead of all the trees that are used as distractions. If there is no opposition party, and you believe in America as a free land of opportunity and individual rights then you start to see the tough choices that have to be made if you want to start reversing the trend. The pain that might have to be endured.

The good news is that there are a lot of us behind reversing that trend. Enough to win this battle... maybe. I'm not overly pessimistic at all. But enough that if we fail in Nov. there is hope for the future. And for the time being no blood in the streets (or at least not much beyond BLM) so there is that.

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at October 11, 2016 03:21 PM (USf3s)

804 Jeb will run for the President of Mexico in 2020...

Posted by: William Eaton at October 11, 2016 03:21 PM (KhJh8)

805 LOL, I'm now a "prog" because I dislike aspects of Trump and Ryan.

You must obey the Dear Leader Trump or you are a "prog."

I've been here for 10 years or more.

p.s. I wanted Romney to win, but he sucked, too.

Posted by: sexypig at October 11, 2016 03:21 PM (UBBWX)

806 Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:19 PM (oDFTq)

Fuck you, "Neil." You're full of shit.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 11, 2016 03:21 PM (/f6Nd)

807 Lotsa one-namers with similar opinions today.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 03:21 PM (Pby3z)

808 Wow this place has changed since the last time I visited. Ace has gone over to the Socialist Left and is using Marxist talking points. The people here are rooting for the Democrats to win Congress. This place is slightly to the left of Daily Kos now. Huffington Post is more conservative than Ace's. Times have changed.
Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:19 PM (oDFTq)

I see reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

Posted by: spypeach at October 11, 2016 03:21 PM (nyYhO)

809 Ryan is the most conservative Speaker we've ever had?
Posted by: Newt at October 11, 2016 03:19 PM (Pby3z)

Still laughing abt that revelation

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2016 03:21 PM (ZIx/C)

810 "Uh, the (R) Speaker of the House just refused to support the nominee of the (R) party .

That's backstabbing."

----------

I'm not sure it is backstabbing - it is certainly unusual and not what you would normally expect. Then again, you would not normally expect Trump to be the nominee.

But I'll posit it again - what if this is actually helping both of them? Well not Ryan directly, but Congress which Ryan is campaigning for. What if this helps Trump but also helps the GOP house candidates?

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 03:21 PM (gmeXX)

811 If Trump had shown over the years a dedication to these principles instead of sucking up to the Clintons and Schumers and liberals then you can say he's our man.

But he comes along and hijacks the party not for anything other than whatever he thinks of that day and we're supposed to just uncritically salute him?

And then you complain about being ruled and not being taken seriously?

Geezus, like Trump has listened to anyone?

The tape is the latest in a long, long string of events showing that he's not serious. Yes, I talked like Trump did but I was no more qualified to be president than any other horny 20-something.

As Reagan said, "Boys will be boys but they won't be president."

And boy Donald won't be.

Our task now is to stop the damage that Hillary and her leftwing statists will try to do. So we need to suck it up and get to work and stop having tantrums because life isn't fair. Guess what? It's not.

Posted by: SteveMG at October 11, 2016 03:18 PM (MMkZy)

Rinsed Penis from the RNC? Is that you?

Posted by: Hillary at October 11, 2016 03:21 PM (89T5c)

812 Ok, now the socks are out.

Where's Mary Cloggenstein?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 03:21 PM (C9pBZ)

813 All this bold talk is making me have to leave.

You all will probably let in the dirty italicans next.

I can't underline that enough: I'm leaving real soon.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 11, 2016 03:21 PM (e2Rx3)

814 With all the bullshit flying around about pussy, polls and pussies like Ryan, there are two things about Clinton at the debate that I don't hear anyone talking about, one *somewhat* trivial, the other deadly serious.

First, she went out of her way to note that , "Yes, Muslims have been a part of the United States since the time of George Washington" That is bullshit. There were no Muslims in the US at that time--unless you want to count diplomats from Muslim countries--assuming we had any relations with any.
Two, she really, really sounds like she wants to go to war with Russia.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 11, 2016 03:22 PM (XZcuX)

815
This place is slightly to the left of Daily Kos now. Huffington Post is more conservative than Ace's. Times have changed.

I know what you mean, pal.

Posted by: Big Red Soccer Balls at October 11, 2016 03:22 PM (IqV8l)

816 Wow the trolls really came out to play on this one.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at October 11, 2016 03:22 PM (WuRdh)

817 As it stands I'd agree. Still...the Lord has chosen stranger folk to do His will...

Posted by: The Barrel at October 11, 2016 03:06 PM (vyqqu)

Wow! Who knew The Barrel was capable of such deep thought?

Posted by: Dirty Randy at October 11, 2016 03:22 PM (jjaLl)

818 "As JoeF pointed out in an earlier post, Romney and Ryan are fighting much harder against Trump than they even fought against Obama. What does that say about the system?"

This is also true.

So, if the party breaks up, maybe this makes more sense to be the partisan line.

Posted by: sexypig at October 11, 2016 03:22 PM (UBBWX)

819
There is also a self-proclaimed "Trump Conservative" Spencer Zimmerman in running in Ryan's district if you want to park your vote:

https://ballotpedia.org/Spencer_Zimmerman

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2016 03:22 PM (kdS6q)

820 Times have changed.
Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:19 PM (oDFTq)

We get that a lot. People come in. Give us their mistaken impressions - and then leave.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:22 PM (4ng05)

821 768

If Ryan and Romney had ran and fought as hard against Obama in 2012 as
they are against Trump in 2016, Romney would be running for re-election
(for what that would be worth) and we wouldn't even be talking about
Trump.

Posted by: JoeF.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I'm no longer find it curious that the GOPe finds it easier to stand up against Trump but can't get anything done against the progtard fascists.

Likewise, I no longer find it deplorable that Obama is more generous to our enemies than he is to large portions of the US population.

How much is 20,000 BILLION of anything actually worth (and we can safely increase that to at least 25,000 BILLION)?

The Grand Experiment has run its course. Out of the destruction something new will arise.

The Republic of Texas

Posted by: Skunky Choom at October 11, 2016 03:22 PM (CbGSW)

822 Jeb has the tightest mish.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 11, 2016 03:23 PM (B9Zoe)

823 Perhaps Ryan simply has a yeast infection and isn't thinking correctly.

Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at October 11, 2016 03:18 PM (75WaT)
..............

or maybe he ran out of nipple rouge

Posted by: wth at October 11, 2016 03:23 PM (HgMAr)

824 Boy, one little Congressman possibly losing REALLY hit a nerve with these people.

It seems to me that it means it was a direct hit.

Amazing how we can get through a Hillary Presidency, but dreamy Paul Ryan losing a measly House seat is the end of the Republic.

Posted by: Maritime at October 11, 2016 03:23 PM (AQit7)

825 If Trump tomorrow said he wanted to kill all the left-handed people

Let's be honest, they can be rather sinister.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 11, 2016 03:23 PM (BoFYZ)

826 So, the GOP is imploding?

-------------

Is it?
Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 03:15 PM (gmeXX)

Looks kind of like it.

---------

Looks like it, but I'm not sure it is. What would you consider an implosion? Losing the House and Senate? Probably so, but what if Trump loses and the GOP retains the House and Senate. I'm not sure that would be an implosion.

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 03:23 PM (gmeXX)

827 I have an aunt who is now 92 years old.

I talked to her on the phone the other day. After the usual chit-chat, she asked me, "Are you going to watch the debate?"

Feigning ignorance, and because I didn't want to talk about politics with her, I replied, "Debate? What debate?"

And she answered, "The one between Hitler and what's-her-name."

True, this aunt is a lifelong Democrat, but by now she is way down on the "Low Information Voter" scale, and is barely cognizant of current events.

But even so, the leftist narrative that Trump is, literally, Hitler, has reached even my aunt's addled brain. They have succeeded at creating a culture-wide unquestioned "fact" of common knowledge -- that Trump is evil.

But there are two bits of good news from this exchange as well:

1. She didn't even really know who Hillary was. So, while Trump is evil, Hillary is comparatively unknown, to the extreme-LIV. And in the final analysis, name-recognition beats out all other factors among voters.

2. My aunt later conceded that she has no intention of voting. And although she didn't cite a reason for not voting, the obvious explanation is that there is no one to vote for. For a substantial proportion of the population, there needs to be some motivational spur to get them off the couch into the voting booth, and voting against a candidate is simply not motivation enough.

Posted by: zombie at October 11, 2016 03:23 PM (jBuUi)

828 I get why begonia and creatures like that are tolerated. But can't they be presented with a litmus test: if you are not trolls or charlatans, answer a few questions straightforwardly. Let's see if you have an actual valid position.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 03:15 PM (iFgwk)
_______

I do engage people here. Most of my comments are responses. And Im usually much more polite than my interlocutors. For instance: I havent called anyone here "creature" yet!

Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 03:23 PM (jdVse)

829 Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:19 PM (oDFTq)

*points* *laughs* *breathes* *laughs some more*

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 11, 2016 03:23 PM (JO9+V)

830 Do you want to be ruled, as a serf? I don't.
Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at October 11, 2016 03:17 PM (tvyXw)

We already are Serf's.

If you work, you owe some of your labor to your Lord and Master.... through the Income Tax.... or you can be put in Jail.

Most don't even own Land... as you must pay your Lord property Tax every year, or it is taken from you and given to someone else.

And as we've seen.... there are now two Justice systems... High Law, for Democrats like Hillary.... and Low Law, which is enforced on the peasants...

We no longer have say in our own Laws... Look at Calif Proposition 8....

Oh.... and Men can even be forced to fight for their Lord... through the Draft, in foreign Adventures at the whim of the High Lord... with no declaration of War, nor oversight...

We are modern peasants...

Posted by: Don Q. at October 11, 2016 03:23 PM (qf6WZ)

831 But he comes along and hijacks the party

I am not going to argue with the rest of your post, but the Repub party was hijacked by elitist opportunists a very long time ago.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 11, 2016 03:23 PM (ODxAs)

832 805
LOL, I'm now a "prog" because I dislike aspects of Trump and Ryan.

====

No. You're a prog because you don't support anyone but yourself.

You only show up in the most heated Trump threads so that you can yank down your Fruit of the Looms and display your ass crack.

Trump got backstabbed by a significant portion of his party.

That happened whether you want to live with it or not.

Dude.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 11, 2016 03:24 PM (zu88C)

833 Seagull trolls.

Fly in, shit all over everything, and then leave.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2016 03:24 PM (89T5c)

834 Trolls r getting paid regardless where they post, get assigned a place to spoam and go to it

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2016 03:24 PM (ZIx/C)

835 Ace: You spelt Chamber of Communists wrong.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at October 11, 2016 03:24 PM (jsWA8)

836 Posted by: IanDeal

Here's a couple of carriage returns - Ya gotta pay for ampersands though.

Posted by: DaveA at October 11, 2016 03:24 PM (8J/Te)

837 Screw it. Burn it down and start fresh. Nothing to loose at this point

Posted by: The Garbons at October 11, 2016 03:24 PM (uFCZe)

838
Lotsa one-namers with similar opinions today.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles

They're cheaper when you buy them by the dozen.

Posted by: George Soros

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2016 03:24 PM (kdS6q)

839 814 ...

Two, she really, really sounds like she wants to go to war with Russia.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 11, 2016 03:22 PM (XZcuX)

Yeah. Still trying to figure that one out. Maybe she's still carrying a grudge for being laughed at for the "Reset" fiasco. Or maybe she just wants to use war as a pretext for tyrannical acts. Hell, could be both with Hillary.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at October 11, 2016 03:24 PM (RD7QR)

840
Because we are not inundated with Polls .....

Posted by: Don Q. at October 11, 2016 02:59 PM

***

Bingo. The silence is deafening.

Posted by: oddknot is pissed now at October 11, 2016 03:25 PM (g1MTt)

841 Thank you Ace for finally saying this! I hope Trump urges his supporters in WI. to do this...How great and quick karma for old Paul Ryan..( we won't lose the house..) just the whoremonger...

Posted by: Bev at October 11, 2016 03:25 PM (oLWaF)

842 Jeb has the tightest mish.
---

I belive xe's proper name is Jebra..

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at October 11, 2016 03:25 PM (tvyXw)

843 So, the GOP is imploding?

-------------

Is it?

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 03:15 PM (gmeXX)

The definition of "GOP" is what is important. The state level parties seem to be doing fine and not irritating the heck out of their constituents.

The irritation seems more at the level of federal office holders and the national GOP press and other assorted hangers-on (consultants, lobbyists, spokesmen, flacks, and so on). The disconnect is real strong at that level, they appear to be more the servitors of large donors, think tanks, etc. than of the party rank and file. The party rank and file, the average voters are getting fed up with this, and they are getting sick of being ignored by the national level politicians and their circle of flunkies and lackeys.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Support the Arts! Do the Monster Mish at the Outrage Outlet! at October 11, 2016 03:25 PM (hLRSq)

844 All this bold talk is making me have to leave.
You all will probably let in the dirty italicans next.
I can't underline that enough: I'm ~~leaving~~ striking out real soon.
Posted by: RoyalOil at October 11, 2016 03:21 PM

FIFY.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 11, 2016 03:25 PM (BoFYZ)

845 I havent called anyone here "creature" yet!
Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 03:23 PM (jdVse)

Pussy.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:25 PM (4ng05)

846 Posted by: SteveMG at October 11, 2016 03:18 PM (MMkZy)

LOL...Trump hijacked the party? I would contend that Reagan actually hijacked the party for a few good years. Then HW "New World Order" Bush took it back and with the end of the cold war set about making the un-American global century aided and abetted by all those who followed. YMMV.

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at October 11, 2016 03:25 PM (USf3s)

847 745 What's the difference between Paul Ryan and a male hooker on the Sunset Strip?

Not one fucking difference.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby
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Well, to be fair, the male hooker admits he's a hooker.
Posted by: Biergood at October 11, 2016 03:12 PM (v8Lx/)

And pretends to like you as he fucks you over.

Posted by: buzzion at October 11, 2016 03:25 PM (z/Ubi)

848 Well Hillary did get the coveted Communist party endorsement yesterday.. Oh and Glen Beck...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 03:25 PM (O2RFr)

849 No, its not. We're individuals and allowed to support whoever we want. Same with party members.

Then don't ask for my vote and campaign on telling me you are going to do something when you have no intention of doing it. That gets you a big FUCK YOU from me.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 11, 2016 03:26 PM (EMrMF)

850 I dont get the Ryan strategery. Hillary wins, he gets nothing. Trump wins and he says nothing, he has a chance to get his attention on issues. He has burned his only possible bridge to get what he wants.
Only answer he has been turned. Works for the other side.
Perhaps the chorus refrain "Their is only one party and Democrat is its name" is appropriate.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at October 11, 2016 03:26 PM (FtrY1)

851 We could have watched our nominee put the fear of the risen Christ in the Clintons right now. Instead we have to watch this slow-motion human trainwreck throwing the most winnable election in decades away.
Posted by: Begonia at October 11, 2016 03:01 PM (jdVse)

Piffle, we would see the GOP nominee advocate for open borders, free trade, and entitlement reform. The working class wouldn't show up to vote. The MSM would provide cover on Hillary's scandals. Plus they would go all in like now to slag the GOP nominee. Keep on dreaming.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at October 11, 2016 03:26 PM (Ee2nz)

852 So, let me get this straight, Ace. You were going to be #NeverRubio, and that was OK, because you had your reasons. But other people can't be #NeverTrump, because if you don't go down with the ship with a guy who just became a Republican last year, then you deserve to lose? I'm not following your logic. Why is it OK for you to not support the GOP nominee if it's not who you like, but it's NOT OK for the people who find Trump unacceptable? I'm really not getting it.

Posted by: rexbatt at October 11, 2016 03:26 PM (woA40)

853 I will take this over Ryan, any day of the week! Half-way through reflects the true battle of ideas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDUwXFvTJfA

Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at October 11, 2016 03:26 PM (75WaT)

854 Does anyone else think that O'keefe's promised bombshell will be a big nothing burger?

Posted by: Czar Peter at October 11, 2016 03:26 PM (O3jhK)

855
Most don't even own Land... as you must pay your Lord property Tax every year

I always like to point out that renters are paying the property tax as part of their rent. But they will turn around and vote for property tax increases thinking they are getting off scot free.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 11, 2016 03:26 PM (ODxAs)

856 759 744 I won't vote republican again, but not because of Ace's post. Ace being the king and intelligent blog master seems restrained in his position. I am simply angry at the republicans because they took away the only reason I voted for them. That reason was that at the very least they would block the most significant aspects of the progressive agenda. They have not done that, ergo why vote for them?

Posted by: lightning at October 11, 2016 03:12 PM (pwONV)

So cut off your nose to spite your face?

Dude how in God's name is not voting for someone who will not stand in the way of the policies that not only hurt me, but will hurt my children and grandchildren cutting off my nose to spite my face? Example (borrowing from Ace): A no vote for Ryan. Consequence a democrat wins. Consequence: New speaker and one less republican seat in congress. Actual impact on the progressive legislation: Zip. Zero. Da Nada. Vote for Ryan. Consequence: Republican speaker stays the same and Republicans keep seat in congress. Actual impact on progressive legislation: None

Posted by: lightning at October 11, 2016 03:26 PM (pwONV)

857 >>I am not going to
argue with the rest of your post, but the Repub party was hijacked by
elitist opportunists a very long time ago. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 11, 2016 03:23 PM (ODxAs)

True. And Trump is trying to reverse that by grabbing the GOP by the pussy.

The GOP doesn't like that, though, probably because Trump didn't bother with Tic-Tacs or showing the party nice furniture.

Posted by: General Zod at October 11, 2016 03:26 PM (Bdeb0)

858 I dont get the Ryan strategery. Hillary wins, he gets nothing. Trump wins and he says nothing, he has a chance to get his attention on issues. He has burned his only possible bridge to get what he wants.
************

This, and every comment of the same nature is utter bullshit.

How can Trump burn the bridge if it was already burned by the GOP?

Posted by: #NeverHillary at October 11, 2016 03:27 PM (DQrjB)

859 825 If Trump tomorrow said he wanted to kill all the left-handed people

Let's be honest, they can be rather sinister.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 11, 2016 03:23 PM (BoFYZ)

[Golf clap, favoring right hand]

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at October 11, 2016 03:27 PM (RD7QR)

860 Wow this place has changed since the last time I
visited. Ace has gone over to the Socialist Left and is using Marxist
talking points. The people here are rooting for the Democrats to win
Congress. This place is slightly to the left of Daily Kos now.
Huffington Post is more conservative than Ace's. Times have changed.

Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:19 PM (oDFTq)

====================
Republican voters sent Republican delegates to the 2016 Republican Convention to nominate Republican Donald Trump by an overwhelming majority to be the Republican Party's 2016 nominee for the presidency of the United States.Paul Ryan and his confederates hate the thought of Republican nominee Donald Trump winning the presidency and have opposed him against the wishes of the Republicans who voted for Trump's nomination.Yes, we, the Republicans who nominated Republican Donald Trump to run for the highest political office in the United States of America are mad as hell and we aren't going to take it anymore.

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2016 03:27 PM (JBggj)

861 This election is simple for me. I will vote for anyone who will not willingly let citizens of this country get killed.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at October 11, 2016 03:27 PM (GzDYP)

862 Yeah. Still trying to figure that one out. Maybe she's still carrying a grudge for being laughed at for the "Reset" fiasco. Or maybe she just wants to use war as a pretext for tyrannical acts. Hell, could be both with Hillary.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at October 11, 2016 03:24 PM (RD7QR)

It annoys me intensely that she's getting a pass on Libya, too. That cock-up is on her and the Prez who she convinced it was a good idea.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at October 11, 2016 03:27 PM (kZVsz)

863 The Grand Experiment has run its course. Out of the destruction something new will arise.

The Republic of Texas"

Hardly "new"...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 03:27 PM (C9pBZ)

864 The Dems are the ratchet, the Repubs the paw.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 11, 2016 03:27 PM (N5OIo)

865 Hillary is all hot and bothered about Russia because she has the hots for Putin. Its the 'spank me, bad boy' craze she has.

That's my hypothesis and I am sticking to it.

Posted by: IC at October 11, 2016 03:27 PM (a0IVu)

866 I am so profoundly offended and enraged by Ryan and the rest of the GOP. I grew up living all over the world and by all rights I should be a raging globalist, but I spent two years living in America's rural heartland as a teenager with the most down to earth people you'll ever meet....how dare Ryan and the rest of the GOPe presume to know what's best for them or anyone else.

This election is making me so crazy it's causing me to de-lurk on a regular basis after almost 8 years of reading Ace on the sly. Everyday it seems I have to fight the urge to write something using caps and a dozen exclamation points!

Posted by: cricket at October 11, 2016 03:27 PM (aeLQj)

867 >>>The Republic of Texas

This is total fantasy. Even Winona rolls her eyes at this.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 11, 2016 03:27 PM (x5ZBk)

868 It's a sad day when you realize there is no longer an opposition party,

On the state and local level there is. In PA our state GOP put the brakes on Commiecrat Gov Wolf's egregious tax increase proposal; and for a moment in time, we had the perfect storm of a GOP governor (Corbett), Republican state house and senate, who together eradicated that cesspool of corruption named Philadelphia Traffic Court.

Paul Ryan is a quisling insect, but please let's not include all the productive footsoldiers in his deplorable basket.

Posted by: kallisto at October 11, 2016 03:27 PM (nNdYv)

869 OK, sorry to provide a different opinion here. I understand now that we have to all pull together and support Mr. Trump.

Its also nice to be a commenter here ofr 10 years and be called a paid troll.

Whatever, proceed with your "We wuz backstabbed!" pity party.

Posted by: sexypig at October 11, 2016 03:28 PM (UBBWX)

870 860 Does anyone else think that O'keefe's promised bombshell will be a big nothing burger?

He released part of it today... An undercover recording of some Dem. local official admitting sort of to Vote cheating...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 03:28 PM (O2RFr)

871 I plan on voting for someone other than my congress critter. Bradley Byrne can eat a bag of dicks.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at October 11, 2016 03:28 PM (jsWA8)

872 Sorry about the solid bloc of text. I had line breaks between the paragraphs. I swear!

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2016 03:28 PM (JBggj)

873 What do we do *after* the Burning Times, though? That's what I'd like to know.

Posted by: General Zod at October 11, 2016 03:28 PM (Bdeb0)

874 Jeep has a commercial about the Left and Right and "what brings us together".I suggest that nothing brings us together anymore.They are our enemy in every area.

Posted by: steevy at October 11, 2016 03:28 PM (fA75F)

875 Does anyone else think that O'keefe's promised bombshell will be a big nothing burger?
Posted by: Czar Peter

yes, it will be something like a low level staffer that no one cares about.

Posted by: Maritime at October 11, 2016 03:28 PM (AQit7)

876 Posted by: Czar Peter at October 11, 2016 03:26 PM (O3jhK)

The way it was phrased makes it sounds like Hillary campaign people saying raunchy stuff or possibly racist comments-which not will not affect Hillary one bit. They will be disowned.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2016 03:28 PM (EnGQE)

877 Does anyone else think that O'keefe's promised bombshell will be a big nothing burger?

Even if it was Hillary stomping baby ducks, who would hear about it over Pussygate?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 03:29 PM (Pby3z)

878 "Golf clap, favoring right hand"

Rather dexterous, are we?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 03:29 PM (C9pBZ)

879 793 Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 11, 2016 03:19 PM (N5OIo

Trump is brining in racist socialists into the Republican party and driving out fiscal conservatives/libertarians/minority conservatives. It is a net loss and Hillary will win big.

Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:29 PM (oDFTq)

880 Creature! Creature! Creature!

Posted by: Ernest T. Bass at October 11, 2016 03:29 PM (IqV8l)

881 Only answer he has been turned. Works for the other side.

Ding ding ding - you win a prize.

*although I think his conservatism was always an act anyway.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 11, 2016 03:30 PM (ODxAs)

882 Neil

Can this one be blocked?

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 03:30 PM (O2RFr)

883 Sorry about the solid bloc of text. I had line breaks between the paragraphs. I swear!
Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2016 03:28 PM (JBggj)

You call that contrition? To the barrel!

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:30 PM (4ng05)

884 875 OK, sorry to provide a different opinion here. I understand now that we have to all pull together and support Mr. Trump.

Its also nice to be a commenter here ofr 10 years and be called a paid troll.

Whatever, proceed with your "We wuz backstabbed!" pity party.
Posted by: sexypig at October 11, 2016 03:28 PM (UBBWX)

You've been a dipshit for all of those 10 years. I remember you being all shocked and appalled at how many here opposed gay marriage.

Posted by: buzzion at October 11, 2016 03:30 PM (z/Ubi)

885 What do we do *after* the Burning Times, though? That's what I'd like to know.
--

Create something better.

Think about the intro to "The Six Million Dollar Man" tv show back in the day.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at October 11, 2016 03:31 PM (tvyXw)

886 Our task now is to stop the damage that Hillary
and her leftwing statists will try to do. So we need to suck it up and
get to work and stop having tantrums because life isn't fair. Guess
what? It's not.
Posted by: SteveMG at October 11, 2016 03:18 PM (MMkZy)

Who's "we"?

The way to stop the damage Hillary will do is to make sure she doesn't get elected in the first place. "We" who actually WANT to stop her got to work on that a long time ago, while you were sniping from the sidelines.

YOU can suck it up and get to work fixing the barn door after you've blown it open and let the horses out. A lot of the rest of us are just going to sit back and watch the explosive-diahrrea shitshow of your play-acting politics under the permanent Democrat rule you helped create. What's that? All of a sudden you need US to help perpetuate Failure Theater??? Too bad. Life isn't fair.

Posted by: Theragen Derivative at October 11, 2016 03:31 PM (7ajAz)

887 Trump supporters don't understand why Ryan wouldn't support Trump. I don't quite understand why Trump wouldn't support Ryan. Chicken and egg, both seemingly need each other.

Regardless, I am now going to ponder whether it serves them both to appear to be non-supportive of the other.

Trump rallies his base by going after Ryan. Ryan rallies his base.

Andy maybe both bases just show up on election day and just say who cares. I'll vote GOP.

Win - win.

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 03:31 PM (gmeXX)

888 We love this thread!! Burn Ryan!! Burn Trump!!! Burn it down!!!

Posted by: Libtards everywhere at October 11, 2016 03:31 PM (B+MYz)

889 786 Miss me yet?
Posted by: Jeb! at October 11, 2016 03:18 PM (BoFYZ)
--------------------------------
When I first surveyed the 17 clowns in the GOP primary car and listed them in the order of those I thought most likely to beat the Bitch, I put Trump at #16.

You? #4,567.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 11, 2016 03:31 PM (Nox3c)

890 If Trump tomorrow said he wanted to kill all the left-handed people

Let's be honest, they can be rather sinister.

As I would tell him, the same as the left, "take your best shot. You only get one."

Posted by: rickb223 at October 11, 2016 03:31 PM (EMrMF)

891 Can this one be blocked?
Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 03:30 PM (O2RFr)

why bother, let them post, maybe it's more revenue for ace

Posted by: spypeach at October 11, 2016 03:31 PM (nyYhO)

892 Welcome Neil. Tell us a bit about yourself.

Posted by: Czar Peter at October 11, 2016 03:31 PM (O3jhK)

893 I'll have a big nothing burger with cheese and onions.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 11, 2016 03:31 PM (IqV8l)

894 seems as if the troll warehouse is down to the bottom of the barrel. this new bunch is using their first names.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 03:31 PM (cPsPa)

895 Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:29 PM <<<<

That wasn't even close to a good try, somebody needs to pay better trolls.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 11, 2016 03:31 PM (ODxAs)

896 879
What do we do *after* the Burning Times, though? That's what I'd like to know.

Posted by: General Zod

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I can't tell you the whole plan but...don't spread this around....monkey butlers.

Posted by: Skunky Choom at October 11, 2016 03:32 PM (CbGSW)

897 Trump is brining in racist socialists into the Republican party and driving out fiscal conservatives/libertarians/minority conservatives. It is a net loss and Hillary will win big.
Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:29 PM

Is Trump in salt water?

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2016 03:32 PM (89T5c)

898 Hillary's rattling the saber against Russia is real. The most likely explanation is that someone paid her for that policy. My guess is they want Putin dead. Maybe Soros behind it? I believe Soros is a wanted man in Russia.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 11, 2016 03:32 PM (N5OIo)

899 You call that contrition? To the barrel!
====================

I'm not barrel worthy!

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2016 03:32 PM (JBggj)

900 Did any of those prudes ever denounce Hastert? or return his contributions? ryan took his picture down, but didn't part w the cash?

Posted by: ever at October 11, 2016 03:32 PM (kronK)

901 858 Posted by: rexbatt at October 11, 2016 03:26 PM (woA40)

Rubio is Hispanic and Trump is white. Thats why Ace hated Rubio, he doesn't want another minority President.

Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:32 PM (oDFTq)

902 --------------------------------
When I first surveyed the 17 clowns in the GOP primary car and listed them in the order of those I thought most likely to beat the Bitch, I put Trump at #16

I had Him at about #14... No Jeb, or Kasich, I liked Walker,.. But it was not to be... We have Trump and nothing is gonna change it...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 03:33 PM (O2RFr)

903 866 Wow this place has changed since the last time I
visited. Ace has gone over to the Socialist Left and is using Marxist
talking points. The people here are rooting for the Democrats to win
Congress. This place is slightly to the left of Daily Kos now.
Huffington Post is more conservative than Ace's. Times have changed.

Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:19 PM (oDFTq)

You've been in a coma? It's not Ace who has gone over, it's the GoP which has gone over. That's the point of not supporting them. They're progs.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 11, 2016 03:33 PM (09Ay7)

904 888 Neil

Can this one be blocked?
Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 03:30 PM (O2RFr)

It's Hector. He'll just go to a different truck stop with a different IP.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at October 11, 2016 03:33 PM (RD7QR)

905 Piffle, we would see the GOP nominee advocate for open borders, free trade, and entitlement reform. The working class wouldn't show up to vote. The MSM would provide cover on Hillary's scandals. Plus they would go all in like now to slag the GOP nominee. Keep on dreaming.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at October 11, 2016 03:26 PM (Ee2nz)

Don't we know! We have been there and done that!

Posted by: John McCain and Mitt Romney at October 11, 2016 03:33 PM (ujg0T)

906 *un-ziiiiiiiiiiip*

Kneel, Neil.

Posted by: Big Jim Slade at October 11, 2016 03:33 PM (Pby3z)

907 880 Jeep has a commercial about the Left and Right and "what brings us together".I suggest that nothing brings us together anymore.They are our enemy in every area.
======================

Is that the one with Cat "I donate to al Qaeda" Stevens singing?

Has America really reached the pint where an iconic American car brand uses a terror supporter as its song background? What's next, Joanne Chesimard pitching gasoline?

Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2016 03:33 PM (/m8T6)

908 I always like to point out that renters are paying the property tax as part of their rent. But they will turn around and vote for property tax increases thinking they are getting off scot free.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 11, 2016 03:26 PM (ODxAs)
...........

their Smart Glasses aren't working

Posted by: wth at October 11, 2016 03:33 PM (HgMAr)

909 Its official, we've gotten the dumb trolls.

Posted by: Czar Peter at October 11, 2016 03:33 PM (O3jhK)

910 JoeF.: "Two, she really, really sounds like she wants to go to war with Russia."

Slick Willy went to "war" (in effect) in Iraq and Sudan (Operation Infinite Reach) to deflect his Lewinsky Affair repercussions. So it was purely self-preservational political squirreling.

They're Clintons. It's what they do. If you need a "war" to retain power, then that's the crisis to exploit.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 11, 2016 03:33 PM (1CroS)

911 746
I like politics, but maybe a 2 year presidential nomination process is too long.

If we had the UK 3 month system, Trump would be president already.
Posted by: sexypig at October 11, 2016 03:12 PM (UBBWX)

Too long? It's an utter absurdity.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at October 11, 2016 03:34 PM (zoehZ)

912 Rubio is Hispanic and Trump is white. Thats why Ace hated Rubio, he doesn't want another minority President.
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hahahahahaha.

breath.

hahahahaha

I seem to recall that Ace was on Team Cruz.

You know, a minority.

/c'mon guys, at least try to be credible!

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at October 11, 2016 03:34 PM (tvyXw)

913 Evidently Ryan is asking for support on FB and taking quite the heat in the comments. I'm not on FB and I'm not going to be, so I wouldn't know, but sounds entertaining.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:34 PM (4ng05)

914 Jeep has a commercial about the Left and Right and "what brings us together".

Government bailouts, right, Chrysler?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 03:35 PM (Pby3z)

915 Rubio is Hispanic and Trump is white. Thats why Ace hated Rubio, he doesn't want another minority President.Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:32 PM (oDFTq)
He hated Rubio because Rubio ran on being Tea Party and then took a hard left on immigration. What year did you troll here? 2007?

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 11, 2016 03:35 PM (09Ay7)

916 >>>880 Jeep has a commercial about the Left and Right and "what brings us together".I suggest that nothing brings us together anymore.They are our enemy in every area.

I drive a Jeep and like that commercial. Some people in here need to get out in the meatspace and make friends over interests other than politics. If differing political views make people your enemies, you need to grow the fuck up. I'd say the same thing about pro sports loyalties, religion, or race. Carrot-chili people can suck a million dicks, however!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 11, 2016 03:35 PM (x5ZBk)

917 The RNC trolls are better than the Soros trolls.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2016 03:35 PM (89T5c)

918 This election is making me so crazy it's causing me to de-lurk on a regular basis after almost 8 years of reading Ace on the sly. Everyday it seems I have to fight the urge to write something using caps and a dozen exclamation points!
Posted by: cricket at October 11, 2016 03:27 PM (aeLQj)

Come.... release your caps and exclamation points... Join us.... let your anger flow....

Yes... join the Dark Side.... we have cookies....

Posted by: Darth Deplorable at October 11, 2016 03:35 PM (qf6WZ)

919 Joy Behar on the View (spit) calls Clinton rape accusers Tramps on the show yesterday.

Crickets

Posted by: Bruce at October 11, 2016 03:35 PM (8ikIW)

920
I don't really mind the argument threads, it promotes free speech and ideas and the rest of the world doesn't really care if we brawl.

We live in an unserious TMZ culture and that is why we have these two terrible candidates. Fighting here isn't going to change that.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 11, 2016 03:35 PM (ODxAs)

921 Its official, we've gotten the dumb trolls.
Posted by: Czar Peter at October 11, 2016 03:33 PM (O3jhK)

Trollicide resistent too, evidently.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:35 PM (4ng05)

922 903
Trump is to the left of Hillary on economic and fiscal issues. He's an isolationist and a stooge of Putin. Hillary is the conservative in this race and Trump is a far left socialist.

Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:35 PM (E7Khn)

923 You know it's funny when it comes to how the media--especially the news networks -- handle Clinton. Yes, they agree with her and love her "husband." And they think Trump is Hitler and loathe the GOP. But all of this over-the-top and obvious shilling for her is for one purpose and one purpose only. So they can fight over the right to be the first network to call the election for her (at about 9:10 EST) and run a gigantic chyron with the words,
HILLARY CLINTON ELECTED FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT OD THE UNITED STATES!!!!!!!!!!!

That's it.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 11, 2016 03:36 PM (XZcuX)

924 So now Hector thinks Rubio is one of his treasured lllllllllatinos?

I remember him calling him a white guy.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 03:36 PM (Pby3z)

925 Excellent, the banned nut with the tiny penis is back.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 11, 2016 03:36 PM (09Ay7)

926 We live in an unserious TMZ culture and that is why we have these two terrible candidates. Fighting here isn't going to change that.

Yup...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 03:36 PM (O2RFr)

927 >>Piffle, we would see the GOP nominee advocate for open borders, free
trade, and entitlement reform. The working class wouldn't show up to
vote. The MSM would provide cover on Hillary's scandals. Plus they
would go all in like now to slag the GOP nominee. Keep on dreaming.

Yup, Jeb would have lost with dignity, which is the GOPe's preferred election result. I knew he was a goner when he ran that ad re: how he would differ from Obama's foreign policy that started with "President Obama, with all due respect....."

Um, Obama's been blaming every failure of his presidency on your brother, which claiming every success born out of carried over W. policies. A person who does that (as well as trashing America at every opportnity) *does not* deserve your or our respect, buddy!!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 11, 2016 03:36 PM (NOIQH)

928
Has America really reached the pint where an iconic American car brand uses a terror supporter as its song background? What's next, Joanne Chesimard pitching gasoline?
Posted by: MTF

Winnie Mandela for Michelin

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 11, 2016 03:36 PM (IqV8l)

929 864
?
Ryan burning bridge. He has no path foreword. Trump will be a free agent. It's like T. Roosevelt if he won as a Bull Moose. And squirrel.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at October 11, 2016 03:36 PM (FtrY1)

930 I remember when you guys mocked me for being a sports fan. Remember it like it was yesterday. Or last month, whatever.

Yep, I was an idiot because:
1. The team I rooted for really didn't care about me one way or the other.
2. My rooting or not rooting for the team didn't affect the results of the team
3. Even if my team won, it didn't materially improve my life. And if they lost, it made my life worse.
4. All that time I wasted on message boards, arguing over esoteric points...for what?

But you know what the difference is between me and you political junkies? Sports are at least fun to watch!

Have fun with your super-important politicky stuff!

Posted by: Ted K. at October 11, 2016 03:37 PM (seSmy)

931 Trump is to the left of Hillary on economic and fiscal issues. He's an
isolationist and a stooge of Putin. Hillary is the conservative in this
race and Trump is a far left socialist.

****

Yawn. Take a hike troll-boy.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 11, 2016 03:37 PM (09Ay7)

932 somehow it seems to have escaped ryan that he is a REPRESENTATIVE who works in the HOUSE of REPRESENTATIVES. He is not a ruler. he needs to get is bony ass busy and start representing.

when I am voting I am voting for representatives not rulers, indeed, not even a leader. I do not need some smarmy punk to tell me what to do, I am telling him what to do.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 03:37 PM (cPsPa)

933 Andy maybe both bases just show up on election day and just say who cares. I'll vote GOP.

Win - win.
Posted by: SH

It will be interesting to see if there is a big amount of split ticket voting.

I'm personally of the opinion only a small amount of actual conservative Republicans go into the voting booth and vote a straight Republican ticket but then vote against Trump.

But in a Election that could be 2-3 points, it could be decisive.

Posted by: Maritime at October 11, 2016 03:37 PM (AQit7)

934 Where is ace,on Twitter?Grabbing mish??

Posted by: steevy at October 11, 2016 03:37 PM (fA75F)

935 Hillary is all hot and bothered about Russia because she has the hots for Putin. Its the 'spank me, bad boy' craze she has.

That's my hypothesis and I am sticking to it.

Posted by: IC at October 11, 2016 03:27 PM (a0IVu)
..............

Huma must be in a lather about that.

Posted by: wth at October 11, 2016 03:37 PM (HgMAr)

936 That feeling of Foreboding you have?

Movie Review

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2016 03:38 PM (J82wy)

937 Her Heinous just claiming that sea levels have risen over a foot. She's campaigning with ManBearPig. Claiming that Zika being caused by gorebull enwarmening.

Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at October 11, 2016 03:38 PM (9iR5/)

938

But you know what the difference is between me and you political junkies? Sports are at least fun to watch!

Politics can come take your shit and throw your ass in jail.

Have fun playing with your balls!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 03:38 PM (Pby3z)

939 HILLARY CLINTON ELECTED FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT OD THE UNITED STATES!!!!!!!!!!!

That's it.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 11, 2016 03:36 PM (XZcuX)

She'll have multiple claims to fame:

1st Criminal president
1st President to be the second person in the same family to be impeached.
1st President to be convicted and forced from office.
3rd President to be impeached.

I could go on, but you get the point.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:39 PM (4ng05)

940 Trump is to the left of Hillary on economic and fiscal issues. He's an isolationist and a stooge of Putin. Hillary is the conservative in this race and Trump is a far left socialist.
Posted by: Neil

You aren't even a poor, third grade elementary school troll.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 11, 2016 03:39 PM (EMrMF)

941 The RNC trolls ARE Soros trolls. It's all the same pot of money and talking points.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 11, 2016 03:39 PM (09Ay7)

942 If you're bored here WZ has some interesting Wikileaks stuff...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 03:39 PM (O2RFr)

943 =====But you know what the difference is between me and you political junkies? Sports are at least fun to watch!=====

Heh. I'm working on that.

Posted by: Roger Goodell at October 11, 2016 03:39 PM (7ajAz)

944 Two, she really, really sounds like she wants to go to war with Russia.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 11, 2016 03:22 PM (XZcuX)

Yeah. Still trying to figure that one out. Maybe she's still carrying a grudge for being laughed at for the "Reset" fiasco. Or maybe she just wants to use war as a pretext for tyrannical acts. Hell, could be both with Hillary.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at October 11, 2016 03:24 PM (RD7QR)

This one is fairly easy.

As first woman Prez, she should come across as strong-

basically be like Margaret Thatcher.

Can you see Maggie Thatcher having to have the "moderators" carry her during a debate?

No you can not. Because she gave every bit as good as she got.

But Hillary! is old and frail and sick and weak and probably alcoholic,

on top of it all she's not very smart. Not stupid, mind you, just not smart compared to someone like Trump.

So, the fact that the moderators have to carry her lame ass through the debates makes her look weak(cuz she is).

Thus, here comes hardass Hillary!

She can't sound all tough on ISIS. That might involve some actually warlike action and she would lose votes on her side. Plus, the Saudis are probably paying her to look the other way IMHO(see wikileaks).

But, Russia? Oh yeah, she can sound all badass about that cuz no one would actually expect her to start a shooting war with them. Nukes, doncha know.

This is her "conservative" messaging that supposed to fool Reps and at the same time not be believed by a single Dim.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 11, 2016 03:39 PM (0cMkb)

945 Gee, Neil, what's the going rate for Dem trollers this year? I hope you got a good pay package. And benefits.

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2016 03:39 PM (JBggj)

946 1st Criminal president

-----------

I'm sure she won't be the actual first.

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 03:40 PM (gmeXX)

947 I've called Trump my weapon against the Left. Here's why:

Trump is Alinsky's Rule 4 come to life. He is everything the Left legitimized for 25 years. And now they are trying to attack him for being just that, using the one person (Spill) who was one of the two people most responsible for legitimizing people like him.

No wonder the pearl clutching right doesn't like Trump - he's a weapon they have no idea how to use, so they hurt themselves with it.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at October 11, 2016 03:40 PM (nWmg2)

948 We should have a troll survivor like competition - send them all to the Barrel and who ever survives gets to post for a day.

Posted by: IC at October 11, 2016 03:40 PM (a0IVu)

949 1st President to be the second person in the same family to be impeached.
1st President to be convicted and forced from office.
3rd President to be impeached.

Impeached by whom? Paul Ryan?
Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 11, 2016 03:40 PM (EMrMF)

950 Politics can come take your shit and throw your ass in jail.

And you think anything you're doing or have ever done in politics changes that one way or the other? Does your ego fit through a normal-sized door?

Posted by: Ted K. at October 11, 2016 03:40 PM (seSmy)

951 We were all told that THIS ELECTION was going to be a slam dunk!!! for the Republicans, because Hillary! was running, and is widely reviled. Really?

I mean, she has bribed or blackmailed the Director of the FBI, has the Obama Regime Executive at her back, the Media luv,luv,luvs her, and will say anything and DO anything to promote her.

Face it, who ever the Republicans nominated was going to get beat. The brand is broken, the philosophy is dead.
What we thought we believed was "conservatism" is some quaint thing discussed on the Internet. It is not the guiding principle of the Republican Party, and only given lip service by part of the rump of the Party. Small government, lower taxes? Bend over, here it comes again!

Oh sure, Cruz would've beaten her like a drum. Sure.

And Marco Rubio, so smooth (drink) and suave and cute and handsome (drink).

We're in the wilderness here, folks. Ryan is thinking about 2020 already, and starting to position himself to be the nominee. Why not? Trump will lose, and probably lose in an electoral landslide. The GOPe will be All Behind Ryan! Woo - hoo. It's the inevitable choice. To save the Republic....again!! And this time we really mean it!!

I'm sad, but not giving up. I am voting for Trump on Nov. 8, and have sent him money and will send him more money. It is truly the ONLY way I can fight back NOW, to give the middle finger to the Clintonites and their idiot lackeys. Even though I KNOW he is going to lose.

These are the times that try men's souls. Do we soldier on, or do we run away?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at October 11, 2016 03:40 PM (RFeQD)

952 We need sensible Sunny Day Flood Control!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 11, 2016 03:40 PM (J82wy)

953 Hillary is the conservative in this race

It's said that laughter may contribute to better health and a longer life, so thank you.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2016 03:40 PM (EnGQE)

954 really seems like we have got the low quality trolls here.

must be working for ryan, especially the trolls quitting the blog.

the libs have real trolls.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 03:40 PM (cPsPa)

955 Gore standing behind Hills at a rally - such enthusiasm!!!
Mus love being pulled back into the cray-zee Clinton clan's machinations!!!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 11, 2016 03:41 PM (NOIQH)

956 In respect to those who have been kind enough to cite Republican efforts to block legislation I have looked into some of the examples cited. I thank you for sharing (no snark/sarc intendend). Perhaps I simply don't understand why past republican congresses were more effective in their efforts. The ACA is perhaps one of my biggest areas of angst. Another is spending. Spending is the albatross not only for us but for our kids. This is no joke and I don't see Republicans doing their job. Newt's congress was so much more effective. My last issue is that Republicans seem purely reactionary. What happened to passing small government legislation? It seems that they are only playing defense and not very good defense at that.

Posted by: lightning at October 11, 2016 03:41 PM (pwONV)

957 Maritime,

Then there is about the 10 million, many or most in swing states that will walk into the booth and only vote for Trump.

The Trump effect is real

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 11, 2016 03:41 PM (N5OIo)

958 These are the times that try men's souls. Do we soldier on, or do we run away?
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at October 11, 2016 03:40 PM (RFeQD)

Run Away!!!!

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:41 PM (4ng05)

959 Hillary is a Soros sock puppet. If she is elected and takes the dirt nap, the Commie Franciscan Marxist asshole monk becomes pres. More to his liking.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2016 03:41 PM (89T5c)

960 Does the Hillary campaign advertise for trolls on Craigslist?

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2016 03:42 PM (JBggj)

961 Yes, impeachment is off the table.

Unless Trump wins, of course.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 03:42 PM (Pby3z)

962 And you think anything you're doing or have ever done in politics changes that one way or the other? Does your ego fit through a normal-sized door?
Posted by: Ted K. at October 11, 2016 03:40 PM (seSmy)

don't you have a secretary to drown or something?

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 03:42 PM (cPsPa)

963
Did Ted Kennedy just come here and drive off the bridge again?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 11, 2016 03:42 PM (ODxAs)

964 >>Gore standing behind Hills at a rally

Even a Crazed Sex-Poodle can't get it up from that position.

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2016 03:42 PM (J82wy)

965
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Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2016 03:42 PM (kdS6q)

966 I think we should call this election, "Brexit. The Sequel."

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:42 PM (4ng05)

967 She'll have multiple claims to fame:

1st Criminal president
1st President to be the second person in the same family to be impeached.
1st President to be convicted and forced from office.
3rd President to be impeached.

I could go on, but you get the point.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!)
at October 11, 2016 03:39 PM (4ng05)

I know what you mean, and in a just world, you would be right, but none of that is gonna happen. The media is going to be lighter on her than they were even with Obama.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 11, 2016 03:42 PM (XZcuX)

968 Any truth to the rumor that Ryan and Pelosi have joined forces to save money and they've asked the Navy to use the Arizona as a bombing target henceforth?

Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2016 03:43 PM (/m8T6)

969 I prefer punishing Ryan by voting Trump. And I say that as one not having made up his mind to vote the top of the ticket.

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable at October 11, 2016 03:43 PM (Eynls)

970 And so Obama and the democrats end plan finally comes to light.

The MSM supported Trump with free media during the primary, praying for him to win. The 30% of the party that are Trumpers win because stupid fucks like Jeb split the money and votes.

Now we are saddled with Trump, whom I think has finally shown his fighting spirit and I hope wins.

But don't think for a minute that his candidacy in the primary was not a function of the help from Hillary agents.

They ARE smart. They have done this before. We are NOT smart and we suffer.

The IS BUSHES FAULT.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 11, 2016 03:44 PM (NbJXF)

971 Election 2016 - the sequel to 28 Weeks Later

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 11, 2016 03:44 PM (JO9+V)

972 I prefer punishing Ryan by voting Trump. And I say that as one not having made up his mind to vote the top of the ticket.
Posted by: Unsure if deplorable at October 11, 2016 03:43 PM (Eynls)

well, if you are in ryan's district you can do both!

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 03:44 PM (cPsPa)

973 It's all rather moot anyway.

She isn't going to win.

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2016 03:44 PM (JBggj)

974 OT: It seems that Dan Senor, who is on Paul Ryan's payroll, leaked the Trump tape per Buffalo radio host Tom Baurle.

Btw, you can listen live here. Him and David Bellavia are laying it all out right now:

http://v6.player.abacast.net/2111

Posted by: Independent George at October 11, 2016 03:45 PM (BDZWU)

975 You give them too much credit, Nip Sip.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2016 03:45 PM (89T5c)

976 901

Rubio is Hispanic and Trump is white. Thats why Ace hated Rubio, he doesn't want another minority President.
Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:32 PM (oDFTq)
---------------------------------
Rubio is WHITE.
"Hispanic" is not a race, you idiot.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 11, 2016 03:45 PM (Nox3c)

977 It's all rather moot anyway.

She isn't going to win.
Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2016 03:44 PM (JBggj)

well, with that attitude, probably

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 03:45 PM (cPsPa)

978
But don't think for a minute that his candidacy in the primary was not a function of the help from Hillary agents.

In one of the Podesta Wikileaks they said as much... Wanted trump or Cruz...Trump being their first choice...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 03:45 PM (O2RFr)

979 On the election, the only thing that gives me hope at this point is the feeling that when everyone says something IS going to happen, it doesn't.
Right now all the smart money is moving toward Hillary being the ( when was the last time we used this word?) "Inevitable."

I find that weirdly comforting.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 11, 2016 03:45 PM (XZcuX)

980 Frank Ryan is dead?

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always asks... at October 11, 2016 03:46 PM (vtcmf)

981
Does the Hillary campaign advertise for trolls on Craigslist?
Posted by: mrp

There are a number of sites where you can hire "independent contractors" for this sort of gloried typing. Part of the vaunted "gig" economy.

Troll jobs are probably listed under "political activism social media" or some such.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2016 03:46 PM (kdS6q)

982 Very interesting to me that both Cruz and Rubio stand behind Trump, but Ryan does not. After the Wikileaks revelation that both Saudi Arabia and Qatar support ISIS with money and weapons and Hillary KNEW it and took money from both countries, my belief is that anyone coming out against Trump in the Republican Party is also complicit in taking money from Saudi Arabia and/or Qatar and are worried about being exposed should Trump win.

To me, this is no longer about the little things. This is about the big things: CORRUPTION in our government. From top to bottom. On both sides of the aisle. It disgusts me, worries me and angers me.

Trump seems to be riling up EVERYONE this election. And that should tell you everything you need to know about why he must be President. It has nothing to do with sex talk or temperament. It has everything to do with the fear he will expose them ALL.

We can afford to lose Ryan's seat. We have a strong majority in the House. I say VOTE HIM OUT.

Posted by: K-E at October 11, 2016 03:46 PM (J23oQ)

983 OT: It seems that Dan Senor, who is on Paul Ryan's payroll, leaked the Trump tape

Yeah, and if that's true, Ryan ordered the hit.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 03:46 PM (Pby3z)

984 Re-electing Bill and Hillary Clinton is conservative?

OMG...only sissies who are afraid of a fight delude themselves in this way.

Posted by: Pam at October 11, 2016 03:46 PM (cF0hS)

985 Perhaps I simply don't understand why past republican congresses were more effective in their efforts.

The current congress is in on the scam. They are not the opposition any more.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 11, 2016 03:47 PM (EMrMF)

986 Yeah, and if that's true, Ryan ordered the hit.

I think He had his internal polls showing Trump was gonna lose and he didn't want to be seen as backing him....

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 03:47 PM (O2RFr)

987 920
The immigration obsession of the racist white working class is why the Republicans will lose. Rather than run with Rubio who would have brought in Hispanics and younger voters, they went with Trump and his reactionary socialist agenda. Its going to be sweet to see how their bigotry against Latinos will backfired and they will be marginalizes, America is moving ahead and the white working class special snowflake will be toothless tigers.

College educated whites are not racists and are leaving this new Marxist Republican party in droves thankfully. Hillary is a liberal but is to the right of Trump on economics and foreign policy. The center right has no choice but to support Hillary.

I want to see the racist uneducated white working class socialists crushed politically and never heard from again,

Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:48 PM (E7Khn)

988 OT: It seems that Dan Senor, who is on Paul Ryan's payroll, leaked the Trump tape

Yeah, and if that's true, Ryan ordered the hit.

----------

Where are you all seeing it? And is it just a rumor?

If true, this would seemingly be big, but I don't see it anywhere.

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 03:48 PM (gmeXX)

989 Have you heard this one?

A black guy with a Clinton Rape shirt on, gets beaten, kicked, hurled down the stairs and Hillary tells the crowd to follow him, and this isn't news.

Yeah. Me neither.

Because the media is not covering it! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Get it. Yeah, me neither.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:48 PM (4ng05)

990 They ARE smart. They have done this before. We are NOT smart and we suffer.

The IS BUSHES FAULT.
Posted by: Nip Sip at October 11, 2016 03:44 PM (NbJXF)

They are smart, but they aren't that smart.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 11, 2016 03:48 PM (XZcuX)

991 Neil at October 11, 2016 03:19 PM (oDFTq)

What a dick.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at October 11, 2016 03:49 PM (jjaLl)

992 I think He had his internal polls showing Trump was gonna lose and he didn't want to be seen as backing him....

If that's true, why would you release the tape?

That's not damage control, that's outright treachery.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 03:49 PM (Pby3z)

993
The immigration obsession of the racist white working class is why the Republicans will lose.
Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:48 PM (E7Khn)

'sup Hector.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2016 03:49 PM (kdS6q)

994 Rather than run with Rubio who would have brought in Hispanics and younger voters

Who the fuck are you trying to kid? What a hoot.

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always asks... at October 11, 2016 03:49 PM (vtcmf)

995 >> OT: It seems that Dan Senor, who is on Paul
>> Ryan's payroll, leaked the Trump tape

If this is true then as far as I'm concerned a President Trump should call in the House leadership and tell them their districts are going to be ghost towns complete with tumbleweeds, he'll red-pencil every dollar of Federal spending in their districts, until Ryan is so far out of the leadership he'll need C-SPAN to hear the floor.

But that's an 'if'.

Posted by: Dick at October 11, 2016 03:49 PM (TppKb)

996 If that's true, why would you release the tape?

That's not damage control, that's outright treachery.

Right...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 03:49 PM (O2RFr)

997 Where are you all seeing it? And is it just a rumor?

If true, this would seemingly be big, but I don't see it anywhere.
Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 03:48 PM (gmeXX)

someone has been saying that since last evening. no one has anything other than "they heard a rumor."

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 03:50 PM (cPsPa)

998 9I2
ISIS is fighting Iran and it's agents. Why do you back the imperial designed of the Ayatollahs.

Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:50 PM (E7Khn)

999 Damn, unsock.

Posted by: JEM at October 11, 2016 03:50 PM (TppKb)

1000 Wait. I thought we were supposed to support the Republican no matter what because voting for a Democrat is being a traitor to conservatism. Man these straw men arguments and shifting goal posts are so darn hard to follow.

Posted by: Sean at October 11, 2016 03:50 PM (JWRY9)

1001 Rubio is WHITE.
"Hispanic" is not a race, you idiot.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille

To be fair, Rubio isn't Caucasian. Maybe "hispanic" is not the correct way to refer to his ethnicity. But his ethnicity isn't white. NTTAWTT. It's his betrayal and RINO-ishness.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 03:50 PM (iFgwk)

1002 I think "Neil" is either a troll, a brilliant sock, or Kevin D. Williamson.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 11, 2016 03:50 PM (XZcuX)

1003 It's all rather moot anyway.

She isn't going to win.

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2016 03:44 PM (JBggj)

Sorry, the card says moops.

Posted by: George Costanza at October 11, 2016 03:50 PM (JO9+V)

1004 Trump will be a free agent. It's like T. Roosevelt if he won as a Bull Moose. And squirrel.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at October 11, 2016 03:36 PM (FtrY1)

I *so* want to hear Melania say "Moose and Squirrel."

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 11, 2016 03:50 PM (ujg0T)

1005 These are the times that try men's souls. Do we soldier on, or do we run away?
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at October 11, 2016 03:40 PM (RFeQD)

It's out there in different places. It comes with an anonymous attribution so...

But newsworthy, especially if true. I was in Senor's timeline on Twitter and there were no denials. That was several hours ago.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:51 PM (4ng05)

1006 >> ISIS is fighting Iran and it's agents. Why do you
>> back the imperial designed of the Ayatollahs.

First day as President: call in the Iranian representative.

"You've got 72 hours to give us back our cash or you don't have any ports, airports, or pipelines. If you need a loan, go ask Obama, your deal was with him, not with the United States. Got it?"

Posted by: JEM at October 11, 2016 03:51 PM (TppKb)

1007 Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:48 PM (E7Khn)

oh looky here! Bless your heart sweetie , how much do you get for this?

Posted by: DanMan at October 11, 2016 03:52 PM (RusNE)

1008 Where are you all seeing it? And is it just a rumor?

It's been going around from several sources, Jerry Falwell Jr. among others have said they have heard this to be true.

Whether it is true, I can't say, obviously.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 03:52 PM (Pby3z)

1009 We haven't seen this level of trolldom since 14 when they came in to tell us that the senate was lost.

Just saying.

Posted by: Czar Peter at October 11, 2016 03:52 PM (O3jhK)

1010 >>someone has been saying that since last evening. no one has anything other than "they heard a rumor."

"Rumor" because I saw it on Gateway pundit site, also Mike Cernovich tweeting about it. Seems to be speculation at this point.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 11, 2016 03:53 PM (NOIQH)

1011 994
Rubio is winning Hispanic and younger voters in his Senate re-election bid. While Trump is getting killed with those demographics in the same polls.

The previous white working class socialists just wanted to throw a temper tantrum. Their time is up and they will be relegated to political obscurity. 2016 is their Waterloo.

Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:53 PM (E7Khn)

1012 A 10 year troll is still a troll.

Spreading FUD is trolling.

Being contrarian just to be "different" and then of course following up with " hurt " and "disillusioned".

*sniff*

is just another version of the same game.

"Look at ME poop! POOP!"

*yawn*

Ever think of teaching chemistry, sexypig?

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 11, 2016 03:53 PM (zu88C)

1013 1009 We haven't seen this level of trolldom since 14 when they came in to tell us that the senate was lost.

Just saying.

Panic?

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 03:53 PM (O2RFr)

1014 Sorry. My last comment was in reference to the Senor being behind the Trump tape release.

I was in Senor's timeline earlier and he had not denied being the source, but that is definitely 'for what it's worth'.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:53 PM (4ng05)

1015 The Senor thing is all over Twitter, albeit mostly from the sorts of people who think he's doing it to allow JJ Sefton to run the country, IYKWIMAITYD. I'm going to go shower now from having read that garbage.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 11, 2016 03:53 PM (KUTP5)

1016 #987

Needs some work.

Are you familiar with the writings of William Ayers?

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2016 03:53 PM (JBggj)

1017 We haven't seen this level of trolldom since 14 when they came in to tell us that the senate was lost.

Just saying.
Posted by: Czar Peter at October 11, 2016 03:52 PM (O3jhK)

well, we are getting trolls from ryan and clinton.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 03:53 PM (cPsPa)

1018 1002 I think "Neil" is either a troll, a brilliant sock, or Kevin D. Williamson.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 11, 2016 03:50 PM (XZcuX)

It's old Hector again. The race baiting was the giveaway.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 11, 2016 03:53 PM (ujg0T)

1019 Not to be pedantic, but there are over 1000 comments. Can it really be the #NeverRyan movement. Shouldn't it be the #NoMoreRyan movement.

Posted by: SH at October 11, 2016 03:54 PM (gmeXX)

1020 Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:35 PM (E7Khn)

Wait we have a Hillary troll. Do they pay by the post? How are the benefits? Do you get any special access to the drugs Hillary is using? Do you get access to a bomb shelter when Hillary gets us into a war with Russia?

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at October 11, 2016 03:54 PM (Ee2nz)

1021 Actually is everyone is so sure Trump is going to lose (not me), then I hope the next 29 days he goes through the ruling class like a viking berserker. Make it ugly, bloody (metaphorically speaking) and leave it in ruins.

Posted by: IC at October 11, 2016 03:54 PM (a0IVu)

1022 These are the times that try men's souls. Do we soldier on, or do we run away?
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at October 11, 2016 03:40 PM (RFeQD)

Looks like some tightening sphincters. No doubt about it.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:54 PM (4ng05)

1023 If Hillary i9s talking about global warming with Gore she's obviously just trying to shore up her base because I cannot believe this is currently a top issue with Independents and certainly not with Republicans.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2016 03:55 PM (EnGQE)

1024 >>To be fair, Rubio isn't Caucasian. Maybe "hispanic" is not the correct
way to refer to his ethnicity. But his ethnicity isn't white. NTTAWTT.
It's his betrayal and RINO-ishness.

OMG - are we really going to get dragged into a race discussion by a troll (Neil, not Margarita Deville)??????

Don't take the bait!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 11, 2016 03:55 PM (NOIQH)

1025 So what Ryan is doing is a preemptive surrender to the Hillary and the Dems for next year.

Great tactic there.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 11, 2016 03:55 PM (N5OIo)

1026
"Rumor" because I saw it on Gateway pundit site, also Mike Cernovich tweeting about it. Seems to be speculation at this point.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 11, 2016 03:53 PM (NOIQH)

well it is pretty effective as agitprop, psyops, whatever because it has our side up in arms against each other.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 03:55 PM (cPsPa)

1027 1001
Rubio is a Hispanic who is racially white. In America he's not considered white cause he's not Anglo Saxon/Nordic. In Europe and Latin America he would be considered white.

Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:55 PM (E7Khn)

1028 I am a long time lurker who is now signing off. I won't be back. I hate Hillary Clinton and would never vote for her. I hate Trump almost as bad. I probably will vote for him but will be ashamed of my vote and will have to go home and take a shower. By the way I didn't feel this unclean when i voted for Todd Aiken. Thank about that for minute. Trump is probably one of the few people in America who would lose to Hillary. He is disaster and I hate every jackleg who supported him during the primary. Hillary is going to win. Trump will continue to be Trump and more shoes are going to fall. The only hope for our country is for the Republicans to maintain control of congress. I have grown rather tired of your continual whining about people who will not vote for Trump and how they support Hillary. Well guess what you just supported Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Good job Ace. The Senate and House are now in play due to your man Trump. Own it Ace. After the Trump disaster we will have to pull together to try and save our country as best we can. You won't have the credibility to be part that. You are the one who needs to put his big boy pants on. I am so sick of Trump supporters and how they defend the indefensible. The only reason to vote for Trump is because of Hillary and to be honest I'm not sure he really is any better.

Posted by: Bandit at October 11, 2016 03:56 PM (NYNvn)

1029
I think I can go along with Hector saying the repubs are marxist, not Trump per say, but certainly Paul Ryan. He does whatever his master marxist Obama says.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 11, 2016 03:56 PM (ODxAs)

1030
But Neil!

I don't want to be "marginalizes"!

Tell the truth. When does your H1b visa expire?

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 11, 2016 03:56 PM (zu88C)

1031 Don't take the bait!
Posted by: Lizzy at October 11, 2016 03:55 PM (NOIQH)

Amen.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2016 03:56 PM (EnGQE)

1032 #banhammerryan

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 03:56 PM (cPsPa)

1033 So, let me get this straight, Ace. You were going to be #NeverRubio, and that was OK, because you had your reasons. But other people can't be #NeverTrump, because if you don't go down with the ship with a guy who just became a Republican last year, then you deserve to lose? I'm not following your logic. Why is it OK for you to not support the GOP nominee if it's not who you like, but it's NOT OK for the people who find Trump unacceptable? I'm really not getting it.
Posted by: rexbatt

This logic is ridiculous. Why do you not see that you need to look at the *REASONS* why this or that person *doesn't like* some candidate?

Rubio sold us out on the crucial, existential issue of immigration. Trump has not.

So the two cases are not symmetrical. It's not a case if "You don't like, so I can not like...". That's just silly. It's like equating "not liking rat poison" with "not liking ketchup on hotdogs".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 03:56 PM (iFgwk)

1034 Part of the Senor rumor has to do with the fact his wife works for NBC and had access to these tapes. A friend suspected this last Friday when she noticed that the tapes were released and Ryan immediately went on Twitter to disavow and disinvite Trump from WI event...which had been planned only recently.

Seemed like a fake-out. Ryan never intended to appear with Trump. Knew the tape was going to be dumped.

Anyway, looks like a pretty strong rumor.

Posted by: K-E at October 11, 2016 03:57 PM (J23oQ)

1035 well it is pretty effective as agitprop, psyops, whatever because it has our side up in arms against each other.
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 03:55 PM (cPsPa)

No. I don't think so. It has our side up in arms against Ryan and Clinton's side. Big ass difference.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:57 PM (4ng05)

1036 Yeah, and if that's true, Ryan ordered the hit.

I think He had his internal polls showing Trump was gonna lose and he didn't want to be seen as backing him....

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 11, 2016 03:47 PM (O2RFr)

Ryan did not have to back Trump. Neither did he have to attack him. All Ryan needed to do was play professional politician and utter some non-committal neutral baloney word-cloud.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Support the Arts! Do the Monster Mish at the Outrage Outlet! at October 11, 2016 03:57 PM (hLRSq)

1037 944
She can't sound all tough on ISIS. That might involve some actually warlike action and she would lose votes on her side. Plus, the Saudis are probably paying her to look the other way IMHO(see wikileaks).

But, Russia? Oh yeah, she can sound all badass about that cuz no one would actually expect her to start a shooting war with them. Nukes, doncha know.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 11, 2016 03:39 PM (0cMkb)

Yeah, I see no possible way that could go wrong.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at October 11, 2016 03:57 PM (zoehZ)

1038 I am a long time lurker who is now signing off. I won't be back. I hate Hillary Clinton and would never vote for her. I hate Trump almost as bad. I probably will vote for him but will be ashamed of my vote and will have to go home and take a shower. By the way I didn't feel this unclean when i voted for Todd Aiken. Thank about that for minute. Trump is probably one of the few people in America who would lose to Hillary. He is disaster and I hate every jackleg who supported him during the primary. Hillary is going to win. Trump will continue to be Trump and more shoes are going to fall. The only hope for our country is for the Republicans to maintain control of congress. I have grown rather tired of your continual whining about people who will not vote for Trump and how they support Hillary. Well guess what you just supported Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Good job Ace. The Senate and House are now in play due to your man Trump. Own it Ace. After the Trump disaster we will have to pull together to try and save our country as best we can. You won't have the credibility to be part that. You are the one who needs to put his big boy pants on. I am so sick of Trump supporters and how they defend the indefensible. The only reason to vote for Trump is because of Hillary and to be honest I'm not sure he really is any better.
Posted by: Bandit at October 11, 2016 03:56 PM (NYNvn)

eat a bag of dicks

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 03:57 PM (cPsPa)

1039 Have you heard this one?

A black guy with a Clinton Rape shirt on, gets beaten, kicked, hurled down the stairs and Hillary tells the crowd to follow him, and this isn't news.

Yeah. Me neither.

Because the media is not covering it! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Get it. Yeah, me neither.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:48 PM (4ng05)

I read he was escorted out of her voter registration rally yesterday at Wayne State. Where did you see all the rest?

Even if that was all that happened, imagine if Trump rallies had security remove someone for their t-shirt they were wearing. In otherwords, because of your "speech" , you were banned by a political candidate from a political gathering.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 11, 2016 03:57 PM (ntZAP)

1040 NOOD. GOPe -> SJW

Posted by: johnd01 at October 11, 2016 03:58 PM (ukNFU)

1041 1020 Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at October 11, 2016 03:54 PM (Ee2nz

You are probably one of those alt right Nazis who jerks off to Putin's naked pictures. Nationalists are worse than ISIS and that's saying a lot.

Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:58 PM (E7Khn)

1042 I am a long time lurker who is now signing off. I won't be back. I hate Hillary Clinton and would never vote for her. I hate Trump almost as bad. I probably will vote for him but will be ashamed of my vote and will have to go home and take a shower. By the way I didn't feel this unclean when i voted for Todd Aiken. Thank about that for minute. Trump is probably one of the few people in America who would lose to Hillary. He is disaster and I hate every jackleg who supported him during the primary. Hillary is going to win. Trump will continue to be Trump and more shoes are going to fall. The only hope for our country is for the Republicans to maintain control of congress. I have grown rather tired of your continual whining about people who will not vote for Trump and how they support Hillary. Well guess what you just supported Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Good job Ace. The Senate and House are now in play due to your man Trump. Own it Ace. After the Trump disaster we will have to pull together to try and save our country as best we can. You won't have the credibility to be part that. You are the one who needs to put his big boy pants on. I am so sick of Trump supporters and how they defend the indefensible. The only reason to vote for Trump is because of Hillary and to be honest I'm not sure he really is any better.
Posted by: Bandit at October 11, 2016 03:56 PM (NYNvn)

also, you should have your esl teacher explain the paragraph break to you.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 03:58 PM (cPsPa)

1043 Ditto Bandit. Well said.

Posted by: Sean at October 11, 2016 03:58 PM (JWRY9)

1044 956 What happened to passing small government legislation? It seems that they are only playing defense and not very good defense at that.

They don't want to actually win. DC runs on pork, graft, big government, special interests, corruption and it runs that way for both establishment parties. The Dems have the luxury of actually making a platform around the waste and graft. The GOPe has to make a platform around the opposite, yet still find ways to fail and allow govt. to grow and the waste, pork, graft and corruption to continue.

The goal is the European "democracy" model. The only difference between the political factions is who will better manage Leviathan, not who will decrease its size or give the serfs more say in the matter.

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at October 11, 2016 03:58 PM (USf3s)

1045 The only reason to vote for Trump is because of Hillary and to be honest I'm not sure he really is any better.
Posted by: Bandit

You deserve a medal......and a pineapple.

Posted by: Jeb! at October 11, 2016 03:58 PM (326rv)

1046 @972 prefer punishing Ryan by voting Trump.

well, if you are in ryan's district you can do both!

Could never live up there. They have winter.

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable at October 11, 2016 03:58 PM (Eynls)

1047 Hi. I'm someone with a wall of text, and will never be back.

Or not.

Funny stuff there...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 03:59 PM (C9pBZ)

1048 As we #NeverTrump folks have often pointed out, Trump will wreck the credibility and reputation of anyone who endorses or supports him.

Latest victim: our favorite Ewok, who today suffered a very public Trump-induced mental breakdown.

Sad!

Posted by: sauropod at October 11, 2016 03:59 PM (QX0Xt)

1049 1017 We haven't seen this level of trolldom since 14 when they came in to tell us that the senate was lost.

Eh.

The polls reflecting the last debate haven't really come in yet.

My guess is that what they're seeing is pretty positive for Trump.

This panic you're seeing is that the Dims/RyanGOP plan was to have Trump knocked out by all the heavy moderator action and "pussy grabbing' frolics-

but Trump triumphed instead.

One more day of this- and by Thursday the first numbers should be in-

if the numbers/polls are honest, they'll show a Trump gain.

I've yet to talk to anyone Rep or Dim who didn't think Trump won or it was a "tie", which is the Dim way of saying Trump won.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 11, 2016 03:59 PM (0cMkb)

1050 Nood.

Posted by: HH at October 11, 2016 03:59 PM (DrCtv)

1051 The arsehats who ignore Hillary's treason because Trump had a potty mouth in 2005 should all go change their diapers and start running.

Because we know who they are. And we don't forget.

I'm too old and sick (cancer) to be a threat; but when the soros hits the fan, it'll be too late to ask Sal to put in a good word...

Posted by: setnaffa at October 11, 2016 03:59 PM (iDxq/)

1052 You are probably one of those alt right Nazis who jerks off to Putin's naked pictures. Nationalists are worse than ISIS and that's saying a lot.
Posted by: Neil

Ya wanna *hic* push my reset button?

Posted by: empress mommom at October 11, 2016 03:59 PM (326rv)

1053

We are having an important argument: Who are the rulers, and who are the ruled?

In a democracy, the voters are supposed to be the rulers.

But people like Ryan think that they themselves are the rulers, and must
manipulate the opinions of proletarian trash to trick them into voting
for the 'right thing" (in Ryan's case, he defines the right things as
whatever the Chamber of Commerce demands of him).

Read it again.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 11, 2016 04:00 PM (zu88C)

1054
Hector only shows up when he thinks he's winning, he was nowhere to be found when Scott Walker was kicking libs butt in election after election. Hector stayed in the basement crying and sucking his momma's dick.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 11, 2016 04:00 PM (ODxAs)

1055 Ryan did not have to back Trump. Neither did he have to attack him. All Ryan needed to do was play professional politician and utter some non-committal neutral baloney word-cloud.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Support the Arts! Do the Monster Mish at the Outrage Outlet! at October 11, 2016 03:57 PM (hLRSq)

And that's the thing. He never did, but he did his subtle damning by faint damning bullshit for the past several months... essentially being Jackass Paul Ryan.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 04:00 PM (4ng05)

1056 Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 11, 2016 03:59 PM (C9pBZ)

That IS funny.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2016 04:00 PM (EnGQE)

1057 Rubio is a Hispanic who is racially white. In America he's not considered white cause he's not Anglo Saxon/Nordic. In Europe and Latin America he would be considered white.
Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 03:55 PM (E7Khn)

You're an idiot. Rubio is white because he has Spanish blood. Spain is in Europe where the people are "white." So are people from Iran, the Middle East and North Africa. "White" doesn't mean "Anglo-Saxon." That's just one sub-group of whites. What are Italians, Greeks, French, Russians, etc. They are not
"Anglo Saxon", but they are white.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 11, 2016 04:01 PM (XZcuX)

1058 subreddit The_Donald has been linking to stories about Dan Senor releasing the Billy Bush Trump tape.

Jerry Falwall Jr. did an interview about it, and Senor's twitter has apparently been ablaze with instructions on how to "use" the tape effectively.

So nobody's fessing up just yet but maybe WikiLeaks can get some proof in some gope emails.

Posted by: Boots at October 11, 2016 04:01 PM (EBwPV)

1059 975
You give them too much credit, Nip Sip.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2016 03:45 PM (89T5c)

I wish you were right, BUT I try to NEVER underestimate my enemy.

I have seen their work here in NC for the last 40 years. The democrats play a long game. The dickhead running for governor now started his campaign in 1986.

I am not making that up, I know the asshole.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 11, 2016 04:01 PM (NbJXF)

1060 No. I don't think so. It has our side up in arms against Ryan and Clinton's side. Big ass difference.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:57 PM (4ng05)

well, since we do not know who it came from there is no reason to act precipitously. my position was for voting for ryan's opponent several days ago based upon his screwing Trump at the rally. we do not need the tape to vote against ryan and savaging each other over rumor is counterproductive.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 04:01 PM (cPsPa)

1061 1001
To be fair, Rubio isn't Caucasian. Maybe "hispanic" is not the correct way to refer to his ethnicity. But his ethnicity isn't white.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 03:50 PM (iFgwk)
----------------------------------
Black? Asian? Amerindian?

"Ethnicity" and "race" are not the same thing, BTW.
What is this "white" ethnicity? Slavic? Germanic? Mediterranean?
Danes and Greeks are a different ethnicity but are both racially Caucasian.

Well, okay. Whatever.
Let's just say that Giuliani and Rubio are black.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 11, 2016 04:01 PM (Nox3c)

1062 To me, this is no longer about the little things. This is about the big
things: CORRUPTION in our government. From top to bottom. On both sides
of the aisle. It disgusts me, worries me and angers me.
Trump
seems to be riling up EVERYONE this election. And that should tell you
everything you need to know about why he must be President. It has
nothing to do with sex talk or temperament. It has everything to do with
the fear he will expose them ALL. We can afford to lose Ryan's seat. We have a strong majority in the House. I say VOTE HIM OUT. Posted by: K-E
-------
This is where I'm at and why I'm supporting Trump passionately now. The level of corruption is mind-boggling. They don't even try to hide it. The Republicans form panels and "investigative" bodies and call people up to testify and look angry and pretend like any of it matters. None of it matters. It's all a show. Theater. When Ryan verbally spanked Koskinen during those IRS hearings a couple of years ago, I was like, "Yeah! Get him Paul!" Then what happened?

Absolutely nothing.

I truly believe this is why so many groups are conspiring now to torpedo Trump. He's not part of the make-believe BS we have now in Washington that's a front for all the corruption.

Posted by: Biergood at October 11, 2016 04:01 PM (v8Lx/)

1063
The previous white working class socialists just wanted to throw a temper tantrum. Their time is up and they will be relegated to political obscurity. 2016 is their Waterloo.

Posted by: Neil (E7Khn)

Hey Hector, how are things going between you and your new Syrian step-dad?

Heard we was hassling you about getting a job and moving out of your Mom's house.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2016 04:01 PM (kdS6q)

1064 @1036 Mikey

Exactly. And sorry once again that you thought I was calling you a Nazi

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable at October 11, 2016 04:01 PM (Eynls)

1065

Posted by: Bandit at October 11, 2016 03:56 PM (NYNvn)

Spoken like a true man of constant sorrow.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Support the Arts! Do the Monster Mish at the Outrage Outlet! at October 11, 2016 04:01 PM (hLRSq)

1066 In other news, the presidential candidate who is losing decides to spend time and effort attacking his own party instead of trying to win the election.

Priorities are something Trump doesn't understand.

Posted by: TKYC at October 11, 2016 04:02 PM (K8pYs)

1067 Ryan has been in DC since the 90's his entire adult life.

Let that sink in.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 11, 2016 04:02 PM (N5OIo)

1068 You are probably one of those alt right Nazis who jerks off to Putin's naked pictures. Nationalists are worse than ISIS and that's saying a lot.
Posted by: Neil

Dude. Are you ok? You know there's no crying on this board, right? A few deep breaths. You can do it.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 04:02 PM (4ng05)

1069 Really winning hearts and minds, guys. Hope it's worth the pennies.

Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at October 11, 2016 04:02 PM (V4XjU)

1070 From Drudge, our trolls are making money just to annoy us.

http://tinyurl.com/h3upgyv

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 11, 2016 04:02 PM (NbJXF)

1071 1024---Don't take the bait!
Posted by: Lizzy at October 11, 2016 03:55 PM (NOIQH)
-------------------------
Sorry!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 11, 2016 04:03 PM (Nox3c)

1072 I think the scenario is this:

The tape was from R opposition research from the primary. Considering that the person Trump is talking to is Jeb's nephew, by whom probably speaks for itself.

Senor is a former Bush official, so the link there is pretty close, as well.

Senor to Ryan is a direct relation, and Romney was all over this as fast as Ryan was, so it appears they had some coordination.

As a conspiracy theory goes, it requires pretty small leaps to make it work.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 04:03 PM (Pby3z)

1073 As to the person who commented about never coming back to this site and being all upset about Trump being the nominee....look up what KellyAnne said about her experience with MEN in Congress in the 90s. That they groped and kissed women without consent. That they have done WORSE than Trump bragged out doing in a one-up-manship contest.

What do you think about that?

Do you think the men in Congress are better than (morally) Trump? Really? Do you? Somehow Trump is just too slimey to vote for, but you go right along with all the other sleazeballs in Congress and show up to vote for them come election time?

It is about policy. It is about saving our country. It is about corruption at the highest levels.

Trump has shown he will go dirty. He will get into the mud and battle for us. He is the only one that has the guts to destroy everything in his path...and we need things destroyed at this point.

The more I read of Wikileaks, the more outraged I am at the people we have put in charge of this country. You should be, too.

I think after what we have witnessed so far, we are pretty much assured of the following:

1) Trump is not a Democrat plant in the election.
2) Trump is not a Democrat.
3) Trump is not doing this for his own ego.
4) Trump is not looking to enrich himself in office.

Those are the things that are important to me. Give me just 10% of what he promises, and I will be over the moon. Our government needs a major realignment, a major cleaning. If we don't do it, we are lost. Expect the outrage from Trump supporters to be loud, long and ugly.

Posted by: K-E at October 11, 2016 04:04 PM (J23oQ)

1074 1039

As an attendee of a Trump rally, the only people tossed were noisy agitators who were interfering with free speech.
That free speech thing does not mean you get to obliterate others speech. That's hippie talk.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at October 11, 2016 04:04 PM (FtrY1)

1075 1001 Rubio is WHITE.
"Hispanic" is not a race, you idiot.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille

To be fair, Rubio isn't Caucasian. Maybe "hispanic" is not the correct way to refer to his ethnicity. But his ethnicity isn't white. NTTAWTT. It's his betrayal and RINO-ishness.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 03:50 PM (iFgwk)

"Hispanic" refers to language and culture, not race. The reason people think of it in terms of race is because it has been used in identity politics. And whiny liberals always want to throw around accusations of racism. Hispanics can be Caucasian, indigenous (Native American), African descent, or often, mixtures.

Hell, that nitwit Ben Aflek accuses people who say mean things about Muslim terrorists of being "racist", completely oblivious to the fact that Islam is a religion, not a race.

Posted by: nerdygirl at October 11, 2016 04:04 PM (+lVUW)

1076 Trolling is the only job these jerkoffs can find in Obama's economy.

Sad.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 11, 2016 04:04 PM (0cMkb)

1077 1033 Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 03:56 PM (iFgwk

Immigration is only existential to racists like you who fear someone whom you feel is not racially pure will marry your offspringss. The paranoia and xenophobia of the white working class socialists is why a Right-Left alliance is forming against them. I hope more of you die from opiate overdose. This nation do want need you and you are preventing us from entering the 21st century.

Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 04:04 PM (E7Khn)

1078 @1027 Rubio is white

Yes. It really pisses me off that "white" and "Anglo" are synonymous here.

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable at October 11, 2016 04:04 PM (Eynls)

1079 Hector, he no like the gringos.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 04:04 PM (Pby3z)

1080 To the anti-Trumpers: Regardless of who leaked the tape there is no doubt the GOP knew this existed (Billy Bush could have helped Jeb) and exposed it during the primary. They did not. Why? It has been on HotAir and elsewhere that Hillary wanted Trump to be the nominee because her camp thought they would lose against any other republican. Why not leak the tape during the primary? Only one reason and it exposes the uniparty.

Posted by: lightning at October 11, 2016 04:06 PM (pwONV)

1081 Tell us about murdering muslims in the Serbian ninjas, Hector.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 04:07 PM (Pby3z)

1082 1057
I know Rubio is white. In America he's is not considered white cause the racist white working class denies Hispanics can be white. I recall the meltdown this place has over the term white Hispanic.

Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 04:07 PM (E7Khn)

1083 I think the scenario is this:

The tape was from R opposition research from the primary. Considering that the person Trump is talking to is Jeb's nephew, by whom probably speaks for itself.

Senor is a former Bush official, so the link there is pretty close, as well.

Senor to Ryan is a direct relation, and Romney was all over this as fast as Ryan was, so it appears they had some coordination.

As a conspiracy theory goes, it requires pretty small leaps to make it work.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 11, 2016 04:03 PM (Pby3z)

not saying it is not true only that we do not know. we should proceed with caution because the potential effect of the infighting is very bad for us.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 11, 2016 04:07 PM (cPsPa)

1084 FYI, Trump was not the only candidate Hillary wanted to run against. There were 3 names listed:

Trump
Cruz
Carson.

Let that sink in. We would be EXACTLY where we are right now if any of those 3 men had been nominated. They would just be using different tactics against them.

Posted by: K-E at October 11, 2016 04:07 PM (J23oQ)

1085 Hispanic IS considered a "race" by the Feds and the Census Bureau.

Why the hell do you think you are always axed if you are a wetback?

I denounce myself.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 11, 2016 04:08 PM (NbJXF)

1086 Here's a new hashtag to help the voters rule.

Boycott the Mainstream Media, an absolute disgrace.

#boycottmainstreammedia

Posted by: slvr at October 11, 2016 04:09 PM (+23Bj)

1087 @1082

The Zimmerman white Hispanic thing was a media trolling. forget about Hispanic. What about Celt, Italian, Slav, Balt, ...?

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable at October 11, 2016 04:09 PM (Eynls)

1088 1084 FYI, Trump was not the only candidate Hillary wanted to run against. There were 3 names listed:

Trump
Cruz
Carson.
--------------------

Trump they could use his outsider status against him.

Cruz they could use his faith against him, also the birther stuff they tried on Obama

Carson ditto with the faith and they'd get Obama to disown him esp after the prayer breakfast where Carson lit him up.

Posted by: Boots at October 11, 2016 04:10 PM (EBwPV)

1089 Here's a quote from Bill Ivey via Wikileaks:
"And as I've mentioned, we've all
been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general
conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry."

The pundits are running around saying "Clinton camp says citizens are too dumb to understand Clinton's lofty language--they're unaware and compliant!"

But they are missing the big point, and that is: These dems are admitting that they have conspired--conspired-- to drop civics (from schools) and purposely produce stupid and compliant citizens. And now they're worried that because it worked so well, the citizens are too dumb to understand her "lofty" language.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 11, 2016 04:11 PM (eM2Uz)

1090 1085
Hispanic is an ethnicity not a race. The census data Hispanics can be of any race. The white working class views it as a race cause they are the stupidest people on earth.

Posted by: Neil at October 11, 2016 04:11 PM (E7Khn)

1091 Trolls = bandwidth wasters

Posted by: Boots at October 11, 2016 04:12 PM (EBwPV)

1092 Boot all of them. McCain and all the pieces of crap need to go now. Suck it.

Posted by: james at October 11, 2016 04:12 PM (jxw6R)

1093 @1090

Fuck off, troll

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable at October 11, 2016 04:13 PM (Eynls)

1094 Posted by: Bandit at October 11, 2016 03:56 PM (NYNvn)

Who gives a shit?

Posted by: Dirty Randy at October 11, 2016 04:13 PM (jjaLl)

1095 Please don't pretend that Clinton would not be decimating ANY candidate we threw out there. Don't be naive. This is how they operate. They've only gotten uglier and better at it over time.

When you read anything negative about Trump: his background, his lifestyle, etc. IGNORE it. The Clintons want you to pay attention to it.

Go back to the policies, the Supreme Court picks, etc. and be confident that Trump can win. Because he can.

He is ahead in both NC and FL with early/absentee voting. Don't let them fool you that he is losing!

Posted by: K-E at October 11, 2016 04:14 PM (J23oQ)

1096 FOX - Al Gore speaking for Hills - her eyes just went caterwally right after scratching her nose.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 11, 2016 04:15 PM (P/kVC)

1097 ANNNND they pull her arse out

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 11, 2016 04:16 PM (P/kVC)

1098 To be fair, Rubio isn't Caucasian. Maybe "hispanic" is not the correct way to refer to his ethnicity. But his ethnicity isn't white.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 03:50 PM (iFgwk)
----------------------------------
Black? Asian? Amerindian?

"Ethnicity" and "race" are not the same thing, BTW.
What is this "white" ethnicity? Slavic? Germanic? Mediterranean?
Danes and Greeks are a different ethnicity but are both racially Caucasian.

Well, okay. Whatever.
Let's just say that Giuliani and Rubio are black.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille

On the one hand you wish to say Rubio is white.

On the other hand you wish to deny there is any definition of "white".

I don't get this tendency here. It seems like a misguided attempt to beat the left at their own game of racial politics.

Fine, but not at the cost of reality. Fact is, Rubio has physical characteristics that differ from people of European ancestry, due to the genes he's inherited.

That's all I'm saying.

I would classify him as part Amerindian (the ancestry of many of those called "hispanic" or "latino") and part white. I honestly don't get what the big deal is. As I said before, there's nothing wrong with that. But his physical differences and ancestry exclude him from being "Caucasian".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 04:16 PM (iFgwk)

1099 He is ahead in both NC and FL with early/absentee voting. Don't let them fool you that he is losing!

Amen brother. We need to keep the faith and keep the fight going until Nov. 8.

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at October 11, 2016 04:17 PM (USf3s)

1100 K-E.......Hillary wanted Trump, Cruz or Carson because she knew that the Republican Party elites and the Republican media would help the Dems beat all three.

Hillary knows the Republican leadership is on her side, they have told her this for over a year...".if Trump wins the primary, we are with Hillary".

Posted by: Pam at October 11, 2016 04:18 PM (cF0hS)

1101 Looks like some tightening sphincters. No doubt about it.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 11, 2016 03:54 PM

Yoo hoo!

Posted by: Hope Solo at October 11, 2016 04:18 PM (BoFYZ)

1102 @1098

You've got mongoloid, negroid and Caucasian. Rubio can't be put in the first two. Ergo, #3. Not that it matters a dam

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable at October 11, 2016 04:19 PM (Eynls)

1103 SMOD/Clown Menace 2016

It's the only ticket that makes sense in this fucked up year.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at October 11, 2016 04:20 PM (ozZau)

1104 Is this the fight we need to have right now? I despise Ryan, always have, and I actually supported Trump in the primary. But he needs to focus on Clinton not Ryan. He can deal with Ryan later. Or maybe he thinks it's hopeless in which case it makes sense. Do you Ace think it's hopeless, is Trump cooked?

Posted by: kata at October 11, 2016 04:20 PM (xMC0Q)

1105 But his (RUBIO) physical differences and ancestry exclude him from being "Caucasian".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 04:16 PM (iFgwk)

OK, that is bizarre.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 11, 2016 04:30 PM (P/kVC)

1106 You've got mongoloid, negroid and Caucasian. Rubio can't be put in the first two. Ergo, #3. Not that it matters a dam
Posted by: Unsure if deplorable

We're quibbling over semantics here. Rubio has physical features that differs from people of European ancestry, due to his lineage.

That fact still stands. You can't make that fact go away by invoking some arbitrary phrenelogical classification scheme that would put Rubio in a certain category *for that scheme* which is not the same thing that people are referring to when they talk about race.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 04:32 PM (iFgwk)

1107 Not voting for a single incumbent this year.

Posted by: TSGSJeremy at October 11, 2016 04:32 PM (/Rfmk)

1108 OK, that is bizarre.
Posted by: Burnt Toast

Look at his eyes and complexion. Would you mistake him for someone of European ancestry? Or don't words have meanings any more?

He has a vaguely asiatic appearance around the eyes, common among descendents of American Indians, who migrated across the Alaskan land bridge from asia.

Is anyone seriously arguing that asians are white? If so, why not just say there are no races? Although given the definition of the word, that is clearly false. There are physical differences among different groups of people. That's just a fact.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 11, 2016 04:36 PM (iFgwk)

1109 Democrat Lite party doesn't want the gravy Train stopped

Posted by: Evilpens at October 11, 2016 04:42 PM (y3aQB)

1110 I can't decide whether this place or /pol/ will have the more epic meltdown on election day.

Posted by: Paul at October 11, 2016 04:44 PM (9qDRl)

1111 "We must get behind Trump and show party unity! But when Trump has all but assured himself to lose, let's do everything we can to make sure Hillary gets exactly what she wants. Because muh feelz and stuff."

Posted by: Ace Off His Meds at October 11, 2016 04:50 PM (i0eos)

1112 So you can try and burn down our house but we better not DARE mess with your fiefdom.

Too bad, you play with fire and you get burned.

All these people like Paul Ryan had to do was shut up.

Posted by: Maritime at October 11, 2016 02:56 PM (AQit7)

No such threat was implied. Vote however you want on Ryan and whatever other traitors you perceive in your midst. I was just pointing out the dishonesty of the arguments to save the Supreme Court. You want others to put party over their opinions of certain GOP candidates, to save our precious institutions, but when it comes time to reciprocate with the candidates you don't like, you don't care about saving shit.

Posted by: reform highlander at October 11, 2016 04:51 PM (jCH/T)

1113 "What a hack I've become."

Posted by: Ace Off His Meda at October 11, 2016 04:53 PM (i0eos)

1114 So Ace you're going to be the Little Green Footballs/Charles Johnson nut-job of this election cycle? Pathetic!

Posted by: Largebill at October 11, 2016 05:08 PM (jbh/J)

1115 Wow, there sure are a lot of posters flouncing out of here today.

Perhaps I could offer an alternative that would be acceptable to many who find themselves aggrieved by Ace's post or comments others have made in response to it.

Who knows, it might be the moment when the rise of the oceans begins to slow -- not to mention all the flouncing.

Briefly, instead of trying to vote Paul Ryan out of office this year, could we all just agree to pay someone to punch him in the dick instead?

Of course, that mightn't work if he has no dick, so I am only modestly hopeful that this suggestion will prove to be of value.

Posted by: Utterly Irresponsible, Simply Outrageous at October 11, 2016 05:12 PM (ZgIyy)

1116 "629 This is insane. Ryan is probably the most conservative Speaker of the House ever. He's the only one to talk about the threat of entitlements and doesn't throw his full weight behind Trump because Trump, isn't, you know, conservative on any issue besides immigration.
Posted by: Carl at October 11, 2016 02:51 PM (xhHQt)

I'm going from memory here - and I'm old and don't feel like looking this up, but Ryan has a conservative rating in the forties. Pretty sure."

--

Try again. Ryan's scores:

Freedomworks: 76
Ryan's lifetime ACU rating: 89.29

Posted by: Carl at October 11, 2016 05:17 PM (xhHQt)

1117 Look at his eyes and complexion. Would you mistake him for someone of European ancestry? Or don't words have meanings any more?

===
He's of largely, perhaps entirely, Spanish ancestry.

Spain is in Europe and Spaniards are caucasian.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at October 11, 2016 05:19 PM (ozZau)

1118 179 Hot Air went to shit almost immediately after Michelle Malkin sold it.

That's happened to several Malkin-sold properties. Twitchy's managed to remain pretty good, but it's the major exception.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 11, 2016 01:58 PM (KUTP5)

Twitchy has gone full on LGF. More betas and liberals there than at hotair.

Posted by: DrEviler at October 11, 2016 05:29 PM (wVjLk)

1119 "629 This is insane. Ryan is probably the most conservative Speaker of the House ever. He's the only one to talk about the threat of entitlements and doesn't throw his full weight behind Trump because Trump, isn't, you know, conservative on any issue besides immigration. "

It's all insane. Check article from The Hill "Trump CEO wanted to destroy Ryan" very illuminating.

Posted by: BuyMoreBrawndo at October 11, 2016 05:41 PM (vaFpc)

1120 Great idea. Should do the same for McCain in AZ - vote for his DEM opponent, whoever it is.

Posted by: Red Tanager at October 11, 2016 05:41 PM (QSjJZ)

1121 Lets throw away Congress, especially the Senate which is close.
if we give the Senate to the Dems; then THEY get to approve/deny any SCOTUS pick.

As Trump fans have told me SCOTUS is the most important thing; clearly it makes sense we should try as hard as possible to give the approval of the SCOTUS pick to the Democrats because we hate the GOP and want the Democrats in power.

Is that it Ace? The one last saving grace to defend anyone voting for Trump must be flushed out of spite for the GOP?

Best of luck with your plan to put Democrats in power.
I would have thought giving them the POTUS was enough; but I'm just silly.

They need Congress too so that Trump fans will be happy with our "liberal as it can possibly be" Government.

Posted by: gekkobear at October 11, 2016 06:19 PM (kq7Of)

1122 What's the next Ace plan to give the Democrats more power?
I mean once you give them the Senate, and thereby control over the SCOTUS Pick; do they need the House too?

Maybe if we work hard in 2018 and 2020 we can give them veto-proof majorities in all houses.
Really show the GOP that progress-liberal big government ideals are the best and we love them and want more.

Even the Democrats don't fight as hard for liberals gaining power as Ace does. He's the best liberal/progressive supporter I've ever seen!

Oh, he's a libertarian/conservative? Really? ... Ok.
Should someone tell HIM that? He seems confused.

Posted by: gekkobear at October 11, 2016 06:22 PM (kq7Of)

1123 Paul Ryan is a huge disappointment. A little tigger in a onesie clothing. Also afraid of sugar. Thank you, God, that he was not VP.

Looked good and wonkish arguing against Obamacare. Cannot balance budge or look tough against Obama. Weesling. Pansy. Sissy. Weakling.

Gets in leadership appt an focuses on...what is he focused on except taking orders from Mitt Romney to destroy Mr. Trump.

Cause, waaaa, my guy did not get it.Plans of my WH run in 2020 ruined! Tantrum! Wet onesie!

I hope this twit is gone soon. Building his wall around his house. Just go. Begone.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Deplorable Infidel Queen at October 11, 2016 06:23 PM (Cx8BK)

1124 I have decided to vote only for Trump. I'm not even voting for state representative, so other than Trump my ballot will remain blank.

#NeverTraitors

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at October 11, 2016 06:49 PM (r/3H7)

1125 A lot of people wanting to go down with the SS Trumptanic.

From the party of Reagan to the party of Nero.

Well done Trump, well done. What would you have done differently if you were a Democrat? Oh wait.

Posted by: ICBM at October 11, 2016 06:54 PM (EEVsS)

1126 "He is ahead in both NC and FL with early/absentee voting. Don't let them fool you that he is losing!

Posted by: K-E at October 11, 2016 04:14 PM (J23oQ)"

How do you know that? Do NC and FL count the absentee and early votes and publish the results? I know that Texas does not do it that way.

I would like to believe you but I do not understand the basis of your claim.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at October 11, 2016 07:11 PM (+QFqi)

1127 Dumbest fucking thing you've ever written. Trump has already lost. We're going to need Ryan and every other Republican who can stand upright.

Posted by: Jim Wilke at October 11, 2016 07:20 PM (/sF69)

1128 you dumb idiots ............. PERIOD

Posted by: Carlos at October 11, 2016 07:21 PM (9/vyT)

1129 Great idea. We have already purged the party of National Review, George Will, Krauthammer and the rest of the neoconservatives. Now let's get rid of all the other competent, articulate conservatives who won't bow down to ex-Democrat Clinton golfing buddy Donald Trump. Let's see if we can restrict the GOP entirely to evangelicals and Sean Hannity blowhards types.

Posted by: TrueNorth at October 11, 2016 07:26 PM (68ocW)

1130 I wish Trump would change his motto to "America, fuck yeah!". I would totally be behind that.

Posted by: Dogbert at October 11, 2016 07:27 PM (T54s3)

1131 Correct me if I'm wrong, if anybody's still here, but hasn't Wikileaks basically tied Ryan to the release of the Trump tape?

So Ryan has sabotaged his own party?

Why isn't anybody calling for his RESIGNATION?

Posted by: Optimizer at October 11, 2016 07:32 PM (EnK/R)

1132 @1129 Great idea. We have already purged the party of National Review, George Will, Krauthammer and the rest of the neoconservatives. Now let's get rid of all the other competent, articulate conservatives who won't bow down to ex-Democrat Clinton golfing buddy Donald Trump. Let's see if we can restrict the GOP entirely to evangelicals and Sean Hannity blowhards types.
Posted by: TrueNorth at October 11, 2016 07:26 PM (68ocW)

If we've learned anything from this election, and from Wikileaks, BTW, it's that it's all THOSE guys who are in bed with the Democrats (or at least on the came side). Trump is most definitely NOT.

Posted by: Optimizer at October 11, 2016 07:35 PM (EnK/R)

1133 "1131 Correct me if I'm wrong, if anybody's still here, but hasn't Wikileaks basically tied Ryan to the release of the Trump tape?

So Ryan has sabotaged his own party?

Why isn't anybody calling for his RESIGNATION?"

It would really help if Ryan resigned as Speaker now but K Street and its Beltway congressional whores won't permit it.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at October 11, 2016 07:38 PM (r/3H7)

1134 cucks/JIDF out in full force on this thread.

in fact, it's becoming rather difficult to distinguish the cucks from the JIDF.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at October 11, 2016 07:47 PM (uHPaX)

1135 Fuck you ace, you are one of the garbage people now.
You are an honorless idiot who is determined to empower everything you have supposedly opposed. You and DrewM have gotten what you wanted, the country is burning, but you are such a miserable cunt you want to torch the rubble. Fucking just die.

Posted by: Poor ace. at October 11, 2016 07:47 PM (p8YKk)

1136 It's coming out now that the Democrat strategists warned Hillary she was running a grave risk because her whole campaign plan depended on the Republicans being stupid enough to nominate Trump. And you dummies want revenge on Ryan? I love this stuff. Let's see you elect a Dem Congress.

Posted by: Bill Befort at October 11, 2016 07:52 PM (awbcm)

1137 I hope we get a permanent sidebar page so we know which Democrats to vote for in order to hurt Hillary.

Posted by: Eric E. at October 11, 2016 08:10 PM (GtLz7)

1138 So Trump is pissed at Ryan and others for being disloyal. Has Trump ever shown loyalty to anyone in the party? Did his scorched earth primary campaign make him a lot of friends that he might need later? He wouldn't even agree to support the nominee if it wasn't him. Or he didn't then he did and then backed off from that. I lost track. Isn't loyalty a two way street?

This latest mess came right on the heels of a horrible debate performance. We can piss and moan about whether everyone is over-reacting...but come on, you can't expect candidates fighting for election to lay down on the tracks for someone who does and says stupid shit constantly, and would not return the favor if the shoe were on the other foot.

Trump did this to himself. He and his fans like to blame others for his failures. His disastrous campaign is his own fault. Think about how easy It is for HRc to manipulate him, and the ridiculous ways he spends his limited time. No organization and no ads, etc. - It's a shit show. People need to stop pointing the finger at others in the party. Trump fucked it up.

Posted by: Guido at October 11, 2016 08:18 PM (OqsNP)

1139 This appears to be a complete disaster. How will the true conservatives ever survive? I reckon you folks will have to run around the block to find one and ask.

Your skin is translucent and your intellect thinner.

This is funny.

Posted by: butternut at October 11, 2016 08:36 PM (QNFC/)

1140 Well, voting for one Democrat (Trump) logically leads to voting for other Dems.

Hillary will be very happy with the support, I'm sure.

Posted by: Hank Scorpio at October 11, 2016 10:18 PM (sVjVU)

1141 If you are not a constituent, you can also donate to Ryan's opponent. It's time to eliminate the limousine liberals for good.

Posted by: davedaveadavarf at October 11, 2016 10:18 PM (0+srV)

1142 Ace, All I can say at this point is that you can officially go to hell. Ban me all you want. You whined about McCain all the way to Obama, you whined about Romney all the way to Obama, now you want lockstep loyalty to Trump? All you know is how to do is LOSE. If you can't figure out how to do something other than lose then you DON'T DESERVE POLITICAL POWER. If it's perpetual fuckups versus the "establishment" you can bet the "establishment" will win the day and I am sick to death of being joined at the hip to perpetual fuckups.
It was barely tolerable when it was about principles but all that was tossed away to nominate the white trash orange Jesus. I'm going to send Ryan a check because history has shown that the opposite of what you advocate is probably what is best for the country.

Posted by: Finished with you. at October 11, 2016 10:27 PM (FuesS)

1143 Paul Ryan is a punk. He is a general without an army. After the nation had the cold water shock of seeing two yeare of Democrat one party rule, theTea Party energized the party and swepted the GOP back into a majority in the House. At which time the thoroughly co-opted fossilized cocksuckers running the party patted the Tea Party on the head and and told them to go sit down. And when the IRS was weaponized against them, the GOP sat on their hands. Eight years of TFG, and what have they done? When Planned Parenthood was caught red handed trafficking in human body parts, they couldn't even bring themselves to stop public funding. If Trump ends up being sunk by these guys, I'm out. Just as the Republican party came out of the Whigs, someting else will come from this schism. Fuck you, Paul Ryan.

Posted by: -Shawn- at October 11, 2016 10:41 PM (N7jvU)

1144 Hmmm... will I vote for the Democrat over Paul Ryan... because Ace demands that I do so... ???

One answer, NO.

Let me say this, if the party of you and your ilk is a party that celebrates vulgarians like Donald Trump, you can have said party, I want nothing of it. Be gone.

You're going to eat your cake this November and I hope you enjoy it.

Posted by: Finished with the Ace party at October 11, 2016 10:47 PM (bR3zc)

1145 Been a long time lurker and great fan of this site for 7+ years. I'm done now, this is just sad.

Let's be honest: in the end all this pro-Trump movement wants is destruction, and it's utterly nihilistic.

Trump never had a chance to win, and now that the reality of this is becoming evident, many here would rather burn the party to the ground rather than accept Trump is a doomed candidate who should have been abandoned months ago.

What did you get out of this? Was it really worth the price paid?

Posted by: Quantum at October 12, 2016 12:21 AM (8iOEN)

1146 "Trump never had a chance to win"

Oh, I've heard this one before.

Trump isn't going to run.
Trump's running, but he's not taking it seriously.
Trump is taking it seriously, but he's peaked at 20%.
Okay, he passed 20%, but he's surely going to drop out soon.
Trump must have hit his support ceiling at 40%.
Trump's never going to get the nomination, even if he broke that support ceiling.
Trump might have gotten the nomination, but this latest scandal will destroy him.
Well, so the last ten scandals turned out to be nothingburgers, but there's still no chance he'll win.

--

Trump could be God-Emperor of Terra with a moonbase on the way and you'd be complaining that he hadn't colonized Mars.

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