Mid-Morning Open Thread [CBD]

Homecoming Marine
Norman Rockwell

I love everything about this painting; the detail, the adorably disheveled kids, the beaten-up shoes, the humble young Marine, but most of all the portrayal of an America in which most people would rather greet our veterans this way...

Posted by: Open Blogger at 09:48 AM

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1 Agreed. It's a great painting.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 09:48 AM (493sH)

2 Top ten?

Posted by: eastofsuez at October 07, 2016 09:48 AM (oKO0e)

3 I feel sometimes the reason all modern art has become abstract and horrible is because painting like this is just too damn hard.

Posted by: V the K at October 07, 2016 09:50 AM (O7MnT)

4 Jap flag is racist. Oops I mean Japanese flag.

Posted by: StrawMan at October 07, 2016 09:51 AM (JWzxO)

5 I love the clipping on the back wall: Garageman a Hero.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2016 09:52 AM (rwI+c)

6 You can see that Rockwell understood people. How they interact and why. "Modern" artists like Rauschenberg, Warhol, Picaso and Pollack, not so much. Detached nothingness.

Posted by: Dang Deplorable at October 07, 2016 09:52 AM (8b+oT)

7
The America portrayed in this painting is the America that the left hates and has done everything they can to destroy. This is the America we once had and have lost

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 09:52 AM (493sH)

8 Fantastic! Perfect choice for a Friday. Thanks, CBD.

Posted by: IC at October 07, 2016 09:52 AM (gcme+)

9
Ahhhh - Good 'ol Americana!

Posted by: T-Squared at October 07, 2016 09:52 AM (VkAIj)

10 Is that a cop, or a bus driver?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2016 09:53 AM (rwI+c)

11 Guy in back is building a sexbot.

Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at October 07, 2016 09:53 AM (QM5S2)

12 thank you

Posted by: phoenixgirl, Go SF Giants! at October 07, 2016 09:53 AM (0O7c5)

13
Modern art is not art. It is a scam being perpetuated on the gullible or people who pretend to like to feel sophisticated. It's all crap

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 09:54 AM (493sH)

14 His name is Joe. Perfect.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2016 09:54 AM (rwI+c)

15 Anyone heard from Jane D'oh?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 07, 2016 09:54 AM (kTF2Z)

16 You get the sense that the people in this painting live their lives more authentically than we do today. No mental screens, less bullshit. They came around to welcome their friend back.

Look at the newspaper clipping on the wall -- claiming that someone is a hero. Is that the marine? If so, he's sitting on a low crate -- he's humble too (probably would deny that he was a hero, as many heroes do).

It feels like a more honest life than what we live today.

Posted by: Revenant at October 07, 2016 09:55 AM (3DSAh)

17 Jap flag is racist. Oops I mean Japanese flag.

Posted by: StrawMan at October 07, 2016 09:51 AM (JWzxO)

I was watching Sands of Iwo Jima the other day.Swear to Zod, they bleeped out 'Jap' through the whole thing.

Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at October 07, 2016 09:55 AM (QM5S2)

18 Just think . . . the kids would probably be 80 years old now.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 07, 2016 09:55 AM (gO/zg)

19 I was watching Sands of Iwo Jima the other day.Swear to Zod, they bleeped out 'Jap' through the whole thing.
Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at October 07, 2016 09:55 AM (QM5S2)

Funny, since no one minds calling every German a Nazi or kraut. I wonder why that is?

Posted by: StrawMan at October 07, 2016 09:57 AM (JWzxO)

20 Corgis called

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 09:57 AM (Bd48Y)

21
Just think . . . the kids would probably be 80 years old now.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

And I bet they are voting for Trump.

Posted by: T-Squared at October 07, 2016 09:57 AM (VkAIj)

22 I'll be back with the others.

Posted by: tubal at October 07, 2016 09:58 AM (d6TTt)

23 Very nice. A great selection.

Thank you, Cobra Bison Dachshund.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2016 09:58 AM (u82oZ)

24 I'm sure they're all talking about which personal pronouns they identify with.

Posted by: Dang Deplorable at October 07, 2016 09:58 AM (8b+oT)

25 What was a "garageman"? Was it an apprentice mechanic? Or just a hobo who hung around, straightening oil cans?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 07, 2016 09:58 AM (Y8eZh)

26 Why aren't any of those people spitting on that baby-killer?

Posted by: Libtard Red Diaper Hippie at October 07, 2016 09:58 AM (VndSC)

27 Raysis homophones, the lot of 'em.

Posted by: Helen Gym at October 07, 2016 09:59 AM (97XyN)

28 Great painting but it would be better with a creepy clown peering through the window.

Posted by: StrawMan at October 07, 2016 09:59 AM (JWzxO)

29 Outstanding!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2016 09:59 AM (zp+j1)

30 QuietMan, abstract expressionism was funded by the CIA, as a "freedom" counter to leftist modern art

Yet another example of America and conservakins conceding the Left's premise, and holding out as more better Leftists

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 07, 2016 10:00 AM (dwws+)

31 18 Just think . . . the kids would probably be 80 years old now.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 07, 2016 09:55 AM (gO/zg)

Well they look pretty good for their age then.

Posted by: buzzion at October 07, 2016 10:00 AM (z/Ubi)

32 Is that a cop, or a bus driver?

Bus driver. Tie, no duty belt.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 10:01 AM (Bd48Y)

33 I was watching Sands of Iwo Jima the other day.Swear to Zod, they bleeped out 'Jap' through the whole thing.
Posted by: Roland [OMITTED]
_________

"Nips" is the preferred nomenclature.

Posted by: Furious George at October 07, 2016 10:01 AM (dYw0K)

34 I count 5 voters for FDR and 7 for JFK.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 10:01 AM (gmeXX)

35 Why aren't any of those people spitting on that baby-killer?

Posted by: Libtard Red Diaper Hippie at October 07, 2016 09:58 AM (VndSC)

In 20 some years their shitty kids would be doing that. Win a world war, come home and seed the hippie generation. Of course they (not all) voted for FDR four f-ing times.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 10:02 AM (493sH)

36 Beautiful! Well done, CBD!

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at October 07, 2016 10:02 AM (oQQwD)

37 I had an opportunity to visit shops like that many times in my youth. I hope some of today's young people do too.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 07, 2016 10:02 AM (TnUKj)

38 I love this painting and all Rockwell's stuff.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 07, 2016 10:03 AM (mpXpK)

39 Really, really bad SJW nonsense on display in Philadelphia:

Councilwoman Helen Gym Says This Food Truck Is Racist

But the owners of Wheely Wheely Good don't see what all the fuss is about.

http://tinyurl.com/ze9slt4

Posted by: Ed Anger at October 07, 2016 10:03 AM (RcpcZ)

40
White folks and their privilege.

Posted by: Sphynx at October 07, 2016 10:03 AM (OZmbA)

41 I was watching Sands of Iwo Jima the other day.Swear to Zod, they bleeped out 'Jap' through the whole thing.
Posted by: Roland [OMITTED]
_________

"Nips" is the preferred nomenclature.
Posted by: Furious George at October 07, 2016 10:01 AM (dYw0K)

On Black Sheep Squadron they actually referred to them as rice balls. Ah when we were allowed to offend as freedom loving patriots.

Posted by: StrawMan at October 07, 2016 10:03 AM (JWzxO)

42 Beautiful painting.

Makes me wonder how many guys came back home and could really talk to folks like that about the war they'd fought through...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 07, 2016 10:04 AM (wtvvX)

43 I had an opportunity to visit shops like that many times in my youth. I hope some of today's young people do too.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 07, 2016 10:02 AM (TnUKj)

Only if they have safe spaces

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 10:04 AM (493sH)

44 Wonder if the Jap flag is a real one or a knock off put together to trade the newbies for stuff.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 07, 2016 10:04 AM (mpXpK)

45 The cement pumper truck showed up at 8:00am this morning and, under my expert supervision, is about 75% done on this 2400 sq. ft. slab.

All the workers are Trump voters.

Posted by: jwest at October 07, 2016 10:04 AM (Zs4uk)

46 What about the contributions of the transgendered? Why are they excluded from your America? Your failure to idolize the mentally ill, er, um, I mean the alternatively gendered makes you guilty!!! Please report to your local University so that you may be abused, I mean disabused of your bad thoughts.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at October 07, 2016 10:04 AM (a3sfz)

47 Is that a cop, or a bus driver?

Posted by: Grump928(C)

Yes.

Posted by: Joe Mama at October 07, 2016 10:04 AM (yPugS)

48
The Marine's expression is one of humility that seems to mask the reality of the horror he went through.

Excellent work by Rockwell on every level.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 07, 2016 10:04 AM (9P3OG)

49 My father liked this picture, especially "the flag taken from the body of a dead Jap soldier".

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 07, 2016 10:05 AM (7ZVPa)

50 Guy on the right looks like Curly Howard.

Posted by: Yuimetal at October 07, 2016 10:05 AM (iFgwk)

51 I gotta hand it to Drudge today. That's funny.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 10:06 AM (gmeXX)

52 easy sniper to spot EVER

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 07, 2016 10:06 AM (PNcou)

53
Just noticed both the blue star flag, which means perhaps one of the older guys is his father. As well as the newspaper clipping on the wall, which may or may not be the Marine.

Maybe he's telling the group the real story of what happened instead of the account that is in the paper on the wall (if that is indeed the theme of the painting).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 07, 2016 10:06 AM (9P3OG)

54 45 The cement pumper truck showed up at 8:00am this morning and, under my expert supervision, is about 75% done on this 2400 sq. ft. slab.
All the workers are Trump voters.
Posted by: jwest
________

How many DistHillary voters are under the slab?

Posted by: Furious George at October 07, 2016 10:06 AM (dYw0K)

55 That's not a standard ribbon-stack he's wearing. Temporary VJ decoration, or ruptured duck? Note family resemblances. Think he's with two brothers.

From the look on the kid's face and the Marine's, he's talking some serious shit, and not all that happy about it. People handled their PTSD differently back then. Bet there's a surplus 45" H-D in his near future. Lots of cosmoline.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 10:06 AM (H5rtT)

56 Is that Uncle Charlie from My Three Sons sitting there in the white shirt and tie?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 07, 2016 10:06 AM (iONHu)

57 today a veteran bringing home a battlefield trophy would be brought up on charges

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at October 07, 2016 10:08 AM (RKQ/v)

58 Newspaper on the wall would now be political, is he really a hero? did he come home and applied for all his benefits yet?

Posted by: Colin at October 07, 2016 10:08 AM (du8ty)

59 I grew up around a lot of what's in that picture.

Wouldn't trade it for all the world.

CBD. Bravo Zulo, sir.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 07, 2016 10:08 AM (v5iqM)

60 Marine: "The worst part of it is the non-stop tranny sensitivity training".

Posted by: Yuimetal at October 07, 2016 10:08 AM (iFgwk)

61 today a veteran bringing home a battlefield trophy would be brought up on charges
Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at October 07, 2016 10:08 AM (RKQ/v)

All to true...Troops coming home today are almost put in isolation and searched multiple times on the way out of the War Zone

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Posted by: H D Woodard - "Wearing the Cat- Part Four: The Black Room" at October 07, 2016 10:09 AM (0cMkb)

63 56 Is that Uncle Charlie from My Three Sons sitting there in the white shirt and tie?
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 07, 2016 10:06 AM (iONHu)

I was thinking the original Chief Sharkey from the first season of "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea."
Henry Culkey - Chief Curley Jones.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 07, 2016 10:10 AM (9P3OG)

64 I am sickened by the postmodern notion that for any work of "art" to be credible, it must be some form of cultural self-loathing.

Posted by: weew at October 07, 2016 10:10 AM (6EH85)

65 If you look at their expressions, the marine is probably talking about all of his squad mates that aren't coming back.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 07, 2016 10:10 AM (7ZVPa)

66 54 How many DistHillary voters are under the slab?
Posted by: Furious George at October 07, 2016 10:06 AM (dYw0K)

DistHillary. Please consider that stolen.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 07, 2016 10:10 AM (9P3OG)

67 Marine "you wouldn't believe the crazy pron they had over there..."

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 07, 2016 10:10 AM (PNcou)

68 Marine: "The worst part of it is the non-stop tranny sensitivity training".

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The worst part was we had to fill out these forms on diversity. It turns out that even though we took the island, our division wasn't diverse enough so our colonel didn't get his star.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 10:10 AM (gmeXX)

69 Thanks for another wonderful piece, CBD. The emotional impact of the image (pride, relief, and admiration) almost overwhelms the great and effective level of detail in the scene. I love the three generation aspect of the characters with its sense of transition in the innocent wonder of the kids to the mature, experienced appreciation of the older folks who understand what the young soldier has gone through and achieved.

Posted by: JTB at October 07, 2016 10:11 AM (V+03K)

70 39 Really, really bad SJW nonsense on display in Philadelphia:

Councilwoman Helen Gym Says This Food Truck Is Racist

But the owners of Wheely Wheely Good don't see what all the fuss is about.

http://tinyurl.com/ze9slt4
Posted by: Ed Anger at October 07, 2016 10:03 AM (RcpcZ)

Never mind that the owners are both of Chinese ancestry.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 07, 2016 10:11 AM (0mRoj)

71 65 If you look at their expressions, the marine is probably talking about all of his squad mates that aren't coming back.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 07, 2016 10:10 AM (7ZVPa)

This. See me at 48 and 53.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 07, 2016 10:11 AM (9P3OG)

72 45 The cement pumper truck showed up at 8:00am this morning and, under
my expert supervision, is about 75% done on this 2400 sq. ft. slab.

All the workers are Trump voters.

Posted by: jwest

Hillary voters don't do cement, they hire illegals (undocumented immigrants)
Trump wants to take away all those workers!!

Posted by: Colin at October 07, 2016 10:11 AM (du8ty)

73 Marine: "The worst part of it is the non-stop tranny sensitivity training".

Goober: Why do you have to be sensitive to a transmission?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 10:12 AM (Bd48Y)

74 70 39 Really, really bad SJW nonsense on display in Philadelphia:

Councilwoman Helen Gym Says This Food Truck Is Racist

But the owners of Wheely Wheely Good don't see what all the fuss is about.

http://tinyurl.com/ze9slt4
Posted by: Ed Anger at October 07, 2016 10:03 AM (RcpcZ)

Never mind that the owners are both of Chinese ancestry.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 07, 2016 10:11 AM (0mRoj)

And that if they were going to be racist it would have been "Ree-Ree Ree-Ree Good."

Posted by: buzzion at October 07, 2016 10:12 AM (z/Ubi)

75 Marine "Our rules of engagement? KILL THEM"

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 07, 2016 10:13 AM (PNcou)

76 Great painting.
I was that little kid...similar machine shop...similar small town.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 07, 2016 10:13 AM (0tfLf)

77 "From the look on the kid's face and the Marine's, he's talking some serious shit, and not all that happy about it. "

Saw that too.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at October 07, 2016 10:14 AM (J8/9G)

78 Posted by: buzzion at October 07, 2016 10:12 AM (z/Ubi)

Yup. Wheely Wheely Good is closer to Elmer Fudd than stereotypical Asian mispronunciation.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 07, 2016 10:14 AM (0mRoj)

79 Councilwoman Helen Gym Says This Food Truck Is Racist

But the owners of Wheely Wheely Good don't see what all the fuss is about.

http://tinyurl.com/ze9slt4
Posted by: Ed Anger at October 07, 2016 10:03 AM (RcpcZ)

Never mind that the owners are both of Chinese ancestry.

So they're lacist?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 10:14 AM (Bd48Y)

80 Wheely Wheely Good

It's a clever name.

But it shall not be tolerated.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at October 07, 2016 10:15 AM (WlGX+)

81 Deplorables one and all.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 07, 2016 10:15 AM (IEEVS)

82 So they're lacist?

---

Two Wongs don't make a wight.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 07, 2016 10:15 AM (PNcou)

83 Hillary voters don't do cement, they hire illegals (undocumented immigrants)
Trump wants to take away all those workers!!

Posted by: Colin at October 07, 2016 10:11 AM (du8ty)

... but that doesn't mean that Hillary's people aren't involved in pouring cement from time to time.

Posted by: weew at October 07, 2016 10:15 AM (6EH85)

84 In my garage, there are three of those blue star flags. A onesie, and twosie, and a threesie. Our family company's main competitor was on the draft board. And my grandmother's flag with the special bracket for hanging it out the window. It's in disgraceful condition, but it ain't going to Operation Respect, yet.

Also, that Harry's Auto Parts "War Map" from '42 when we were losing. I managed to frame it so you can see both sides, including the list of Army Air Forces training fields that were under construction. The flip-over got a lot of wear during the wedding reception, as both participants and many guests were Ossifers.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 10:15 AM (H5rtT)

85 Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 10:14 AM (Bd48Y)

Serf roathing.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 07, 2016 10:16 AM (0mRoj)

86 Is that a cop, or a bus driver?

When I was a kid it probably would've been the gas station attendant.

Posted by: Ed Anger at October 07, 2016 10:16 AM (RcpcZ)

87 The best part of Camp Lejeune is when the Marines come home...and I finally got mine on my last deployment, is the large posters and bedsheets with the welcome home messages from loved ones and friends...they adorn the fence line leading to the main gates of Geiger/MCAS New River and Lejeune. Families get so excited to see the white buses driving into the parking lots, after a stop at the armory and the happy (sometimes temporary) reunions.

It was different on Navy bases, because the families, loved ones and friends are able to bring their signs pierside, so you never saw the miles of banners lining the streets.

But this painting is awesome, and getting tweeted today, especially as the Marines of the 24th MEU prepare for possible deployment to humanitarian relief operations in the Caribbean.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 10:16 AM (7N6ox)

88 Link on Drudge under the smug picture of a young Bill Clinton says this:

From 2014

In June of that year, Hillary Clinton told ABC's "Nightline" that she wishes Lewinsky well, adding: "I hope that she is able to think about her future and construct a life that she finds meaning and satisfaction in."

Isn't that big of you, Hillary.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 07, 2016 10:17 AM (EnGQE)

89
I can smell the grease and pipe smoke in that garage.

Posted by: Sphynx at October 07, 2016 10:18 AM (OZmbA)

90 Our two puppies are home after a night at the emergency vet for snake bites. Both are doing fine. Thanks to everyone for the good thoughts.

The night report on Dot was very entertaining. Little minx.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at October 07, 2016 10:18 AM (J8/9G)

91 One of Rockwell's best, where he resisted the urge to put in a caricature face looking "at the camera".

see The Horseshoeing/blacksmithing competition where a great painting has some cartoony doofus looking back at the viewer. Why did he do that so often?

Posted by: retropox at October 07, 2016 10:18 AM (KeIb3)

92 I am following the 'cultural rudeness' free speech case about the band called the Slants -- they are Asian-American. I'm so tired of humorless scolds and their church of feelingz.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 07, 2016 10:18 AM (MIKMs)

93

I can't think of a painting posted here that tops this one.

Remember, the media does not represent the people.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 07, 2016 10:18 AM (qCMvj)

94 Sorry, but it's Marine. With a capital "M."

Posted by: Raytonium at October 07, 2016 10:18 AM (beB/N)

95 I often get emails from journalists who mistakenly email me thinking I'm a journalist with a similar name.

Today I got such a message with a subject line of "Thanks from a Bagehot". A quick Google search identified WHO Bagehot was, but I didn't quite get what someone who associated himself as a "Bagehot" stood for.

Posted by: Grimaldi at October 07, 2016 10:18 AM (V/f/L)

96 "It's a clever name.

But it shall not be tolerated."

maybe the Slants could sing their Jingle.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 07, 2016 10:19 AM (J+eG2)

97 Never mind that the owners are both of Chinese ancestry.

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Not that should matter.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 10:19 AM (gmeXX)

98 Looking at the Marines ribbon rack he has earned the Silver Star which would correspond with the newspaper hanging up calling him a hero. You can tell he has had a rough war from the bags under his eyes but at the same time Rockwell paints him with humility -- just a local boy with an average job who went and did great things for his country.

Rockwell's military paintings are always fascinating and I think his painting of a machine gunner (http://www.teapartytribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/machineGun.jpg) later used in war bond advertisements is one of his best.

Posted by: Nevyan at October 07, 2016 10:19 AM (Kgmf4)

99 Dude with the pipe will be the first to go to the camps.

Posted by: Fritz at October 07, 2016 10:19 AM (2Mnv1)

100 Marine: "The worst part of it is the non-stop tranny sensitivity training".

---------

The worst part was we had to fill out these forms on diversity. It turns out that even though we took the island, our division wasn't diverse enough so our colonel didn't get his star.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 10:10 AM (gmeXX)

And because we didn't have any trannies in our unit I had to hit Tarawa in a dress

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 10:20 AM (493sH)

101 I can't think of a painting posted here that tops this one.

Remember, the media does not represent the people.

Have we ever had Rockwell's Thanksgiving one posted here?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 10:20 AM (Bd48Y)

102 His works always are packed with such great details. Such as the blue star flag hanging in the background.

Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 07, 2016 10:20 AM (mf5HN)

103 97 Never mind that the owners are both of Chinese ancestry.

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Not that should matter.
Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 10:19 AM (gmeXX)

No, but it further demonstrates just how much of a drooling idiot Councilwoman Gym is.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 07, 2016 10:21 AM (0mRoj)

104 Then I shoved the knife right up the slant eyes' gut and blood came out everywhere, and I said "That's for Ralph, you damned Jap bastard."

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 07, 2016 10:21 AM (IEEVS)

105 "and have lost"

Nope. Normal is just invisible in the media.

We are past max freak and are starting to swing back.

These swings have been happening every 80 to 100 years.

Obama poisoned the Democratic Party and its GOPe, MSM subsidiaries and they are in their death throws.
Painful to watch.

Posted by: Not so fast at October 07, 2016 10:21 AM (K8FS4)

106

If I call my soup bistro 'Crackers' and have a caricature of a white guy with cracker crumbs coming out of his mouth on the sign . . . Will Helen Gym call that racist too?

(WTF kind of asian name is Helen Gym ?)

Posted by: Sphynx at October 07, 2016 10:21 AM (OZmbA)

107 Robert Stacy McCain had the last word on what Lewinsky is IMO.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 07, 2016 10:21 AM (NQm4Z)

108 In Philadelphia the words "city councilman" and "indicted" are never far apart.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at October 07, 2016 10:22 AM (J8/9G)

109 Just noticed both the blue star flag, which means perhaps one of the older guys is his father. As well as the newspaper clipping on the wall, which may or may not be the Marine.

Maybe he's telling the group the real story of what happened instead of the account that is in the paper on the wall (if that is indeed the theme of the painting).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Interesting ribbons too. Hard to see but looks like either a Purple Heart or Navy Cross there.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 07, 2016 10:22 AM (0tfLf)

110 Love this painting! I love everything Rockwell did.

Posted by: deplorablejewells45 at October 07, 2016 10:23 AM (zRZaJ)

111 On the diversity front, the company cook in my dad's outfit was a "whuttizit" the troops called Ma. Indeterminate sexuality, they used to call it; we until recently said "queer as a $3 bill." Big pasty guy who treated the kids like he was their mom, and yes they talked about how well he did with the Army food. And nobody in the whole outfit was skeeved out. Things really were different back then.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 10:23 AM (H5rtT)

112 No, but it further demonstrates just how much of a drooling idiot Councilwoman Gym is.

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Hopefully, all she is doing is giving them added publicity, but I'm sure that Drexel students who had no problem buying from that food truck have just discovered that why yes it is racist and should be shunned.

Yesterday it was fine. Today it is bad.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 10:23 AM (gmeXX)

113 Councilwoman Helen Gym Says This Food Truck Is Racist

Fucka you, Herren!!!

Posted by: Wheely Wheely Good owners at October 07, 2016 10:23 AM (0mRoj)

114 Garageperson hero.

Posted by: Ray Mabus at October 07, 2016 10:23 AM (IqV8l)

115 nice composition. the semi-circle drawing attention to the soldier with an opening at the bottom for the viewer to enter the group.

was this a saturday evening post cover?

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 07, 2016 10:24 AM (WTSFk)

116 102 His works always are packed with such great details. Such as the blue star flag hanging in the background.

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those details let you construct the story behind the image

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 07, 2016 10:24 AM (PNcou)

117 And Silver Star I think.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 07, 2016 10:24 AM (0tfLf)

118 "In Philadelphia the words "city councilman" and "indicted" are never far apart."

Here, it is usually written as "un-indicted"

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 07, 2016 10:24 AM (J+eG2)

119 I'd stack Rockwell's works up against anything by the old masters. Absolutely inspired. and inspirational.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at October 07, 2016 10:24 AM (RwwCT)

120 Really great painting. On a par with some of Old Masters for composition, detail, humanity.

Posted by: josephistan at October 07, 2016 10:25 AM (7HtZB)

121 Never mind that the owners are both of Chinese ancestry.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 07, 2016 10:11 AM (0mRoj)

That story was wheely funny to me.And that Gym is a stupid cvnt.

Posted by: Wheely Deporable Ian Galt at October 07, 2016 10:25 AM (8iiMU)

122 Awesome Americana. I miss my country.

Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2016 10:25 AM (6xtq3)

123 I'd stack Rockwell's works up against anything by the old masters. Absolutely inspired. and inspirational.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at October 07, 2016 10:24 AM (RwwCT)

120 Really great painting. On a par with some of Old Masters for composition, detail, humanity.
Posted by: josephistan at October 07, 2016 10:25 AM (7HtZB)

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Are you guys cubicle mates?

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 10:25 AM (gmeXX)

124 Never mind that the owners are both of Chinese ancestry.

So they're lacist?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 10:14 AM (Bd48Y)

Those are really cute drawings of the actual owners of the truck.

So being actually Asian is now racist? I'm so confused.

Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 07, 2016 10:26 AM (mf5HN)

125 The guy with the pipe is the marine's dad. The guy with the blue-ish hat is the marine's Uncle Bud. The kids? Tommy & Joey. Dan the bus driver and Eddy, the news stand owner.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 10:26 AM (Bd48Y)

126 I love how close the smaller boy is sitting to the Marine, as if he must be as close as possible to not miss any detail of the story being told.

Posted by: Eli Cash at October 07, 2016 10:26 AM (a+WIL)

127 "Councilwoman Helen Gym Says This Food Truck Is Racist"

She actually accused the owners of using "racist typeface."

And nobody beat her ass.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 07, 2016 10:27 AM (97XyN)

128 ... e.g. the standing mechanic on the left stops the semi-circle and his right arm draws the viewer to the young soldier.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 07, 2016 10:27 AM (WTSFk)

129 Ahhh...one can zoom in...Silver Star and Purple Heart. Plus a 1st Marine Division patch on his sleeve.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 07, 2016 10:27 AM (0tfLf)

130 That picture of Hillary on Drudge: Hillary greeting you to one of her "fun camps"

Posted by: Colin at October 07, 2016 10:28 AM (du8ty)

131 Awesome Americana. I miss my country.

Amen.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 10:28 AM (Bd48Y)

132 Posted by: Raytonium at October 07, 2016 10:18 AM (beB/N)

Thanks.

Fixed.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 07, 2016 10:28 AM (Zu3d9)

133 OT. Clown tries to scare people in car, gets beaten with baseball bat.

Has anyone been asking the clowns why they are doing this? Is it some kind of new cult? There have been about a dozen arrests so far of the clowns.

Posted by: Yuimetal at October 07, 2016 10:28 AM (Pby3z)

134 "7
The America portrayed in this painting is the America that the left hates and has done everything they can to destroy. This is the America we once had and have lost

Posted by: TheQuietMan"

A - men.

My favorite detail
(there are so many!) is that big bench vise - I have its twin out in the garage !

Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at October 07, 2016 10:28 AM (Z8DIA)

135 Are you guys cubicle mates?
Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 10:25 AM (gmeXX)

He's always stealing my stuff.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at October 07, 2016 10:28 AM (RwwCT)

136 Triggered!

Posted by: Long Duk Dong in full plate armor at October 07, 2016 10:29 AM (FyuAv)

137 Maine: And in the night the Japs would yell that you've never had a president with a vagina, all we all felt ashamed.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 07, 2016 10:29 AM (PNcou)

138 A basket of deplorables and irredeemables.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hillbot 3.0 Control Override Kits at the Outrage Outlet! at October 07, 2016 10:29 AM (hLRSq)

139 124 Never mind that the owners are both of Chinese ancestry.

So they're lacist?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 10:14 AM (Bd48Y)

Those are really cute drawings of the actual owners of the truck.

So being actually Asian is now racist? I'm so confused.
Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 07, 2016 10:26 AM (mf5HN)

Did they ever get into an accident in the food truck? Then you know they're really Asian.

/I denounce myself

Posted by: josephistan at October 07, 2016 10:29 AM (7HtZB)

140 126 and how the grown men are as captivated as the boys. What a story this picture tells.

Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2016 10:30 AM (6xtq3)

141 Drudge's picture of Hurricane Matthew is more frightening than I thought. I hope everyone evacuated. You don't want to be anywhere near that.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 10:30 AM (gmeXX)

142 Robert Stacy McCain had the last word on what Lewinsky is IMO.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 07, 2016 10:21 AM (NQm4Z)

And what word was that?. She's a person I feel rather sorry for. Yes, she was 22 and an adult and it was wrong to get involved with Bill but she was an intern and could have been the age of his daughter. Sheprobably fell in love with charismatic Bill and all she got out of it was doing a BJ in the Oval office and then being denigrated for being chubby "Why couldn't Bill get a better looking woman?!!" I don't know that looks are really a huge factor in men enjoying having oral sex performed on them in private. It's not like he was taking her out to a restaurant and enjoying the attention of someone who was really glamorous.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 07, 2016 10:30 AM (EnGQE)

143 Is Helen Gym one of those women only fitness places?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2016 10:30 AM (IqV8l)

144 Did they ever get into an accident in the food truck? Then you know they're really Asian.

She can't park it.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 10:30 AM (Bd48Y)

145
67 Marine "you wouldn't believe the crazy pron they had over there..."

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 07, 2016 10:10 AM (PNcou)

Marine: ".......and I'd rather face another banzai charge of giant screaming mutant lizards than see that tentacle stuff again."

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 07, 2016 10:30 AM (QnPc0)

146 And he got a jap flag!

Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2016 10:30 AM (6xtq3)

147 127 "Councilwoman Helen Gym Says This Food Truck Is Racist"

She actually accused the owners of using "racist typeface."

And nobody beat her ass.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 07, 2016 10:27 AM (97XyN)

Somebody should beat her ass for using her daughter - who appears to be maybe 12 years old - as a prop for her bullshit crusade against Asian-American small business owners.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 07, 2016 10:31 AM (0mRoj)

148 133 OT. Clown tries to scare people in car, gets beaten with baseball bat.

Has anyone been asking the clowns why they are doing this? Is it some kind of new cult? There have been about a dozen arrests so far of the clowns.
Posted by: Yuimetal at October 07, 2016 10:28 AM (Pby3z)

I've heard one person comment that they're not actual clowns, but people dressed as clowns. Yeah.

Posted by: josephistan at October 07, 2016 10:31 AM (7HtZB)

149 The ribbons - when you blow the painting up - appear to be a silver star and a purple heart.

Posted by: An Observation at October 07, 2016 10:31 AM (MimoF)

150 Graydon Carter would look at and pronounce the painting "vulgar".

Posted by: ejo at October 07, 2016 10:31 AM (il4FI)

151 Yesterday some loon with a machete earned a Darwin on campus. The cops shot him. He was white. No white nationalists are expected to loot stores on the Hill

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 07, 2016 10:31 AM (NQm4Z)

152 126:

"i love how close the smaller boy is sitting to the marine..."

watch it with that. don't you know that in deborah solomon's massive biography of rockwell she concluded he was closeted gay and possibly a pedophile?

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 07, 2016 10:32 AM (WTSFk)

153 What kind of surname is "Gym" anyway? Is she Peruvian?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at October 07, 2016 10:32 AM (WlGX+)

154 Stringer Davis @111 -

Yeah, real tolerance, not the phony kind ....

Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at October 07, 2016 10:32 AM (Z8DIA)

155 >>143 Is Helen Gym one of those women only fitness places?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

Double Greek name cultural appropriation

Posted by: Sphynx at October 07, 2016 10:32 AM (OZmbA)

156 "i love how close the smaller boy is sitting to the marine..."

The Marine's little brother, maybe?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at October 07, 2016 10:32 AM (WlGX+)

157 When SJW Red Guards insist that art be "socially engaged", this is not what they meant.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at October 07, 2016 10:33 AM (J8/9G)

158 "What kind of surname is "Gym" anyway? Is she Peruvian?"

We don't know, but we're suing Helen Gym for blatant cultural appropriation.

Posted by: Trojan-American Anti-Defamation League at October 07, 2016 10:34 AM (97XyN)

159 "i love how close the smaller boy is sitting to the marine..."

The Marine's little brother, maybe?

Older cousin.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 10:34 AM (Bd48Y)

160 In the same vain:

New Book Details Jimmy Stewarts Anguish Over Losing 130 Men in One Bombing Mission Over Germany

Once upon a time in America, men were men and Hollywood actors and actresses were true patriots.

Weasel Zippers

Once upon a time in America

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2016 10:34 AM (zp+j1)

161 What kind of surname is "Gym" anyway? Is she Peruvian?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?

Pretty sure she's from Colououmbia.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, deplorably down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 07, 2016 10:35 AM (9krrF)

162 If it does not shock and offend Bourgeois sensibilities, it is not art.

Posted by: Adres Serrano at October 07, 2016 10:35 AM (iFgwk)

163 Thanks Diogenes and Observation. Now we know.
Sock Rat, I hate to start this kind of stuff, but. Mine is Bigger.

I would have expected a rant from NGU on this -- after the stripping away of every Navy job title, the remaining single title for everybody is going to be Seaman.
Get it? Seaman? Now, they could have gone with Sailor, it would have meant something, and they'd have lost the gender aspect. But they had to do that.

Watch for "Seaperson" (sounds like a Silkie!) and "Airperson," coming soon.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 10:36 AM (H5rtT)

164 Apparently there was a pantsuit flash dance mob in support of Hillary the other day in New York City Haven't seen a video but I've seen pictures. If this is true we might as well throw in the towel. Country is gone, not worth saving. Do whatever is necessary to save yourselves.

Posted by: Ripley at October 07, 2016 10:37 AM (1BQGO)

165 Yes, the young marine says, times have changed. I was a woman when I enlisted, but, due to the enlightened perspective I gained, elected to have surgery to bring out my true self. No, hell no, we lost the war, but I gained my true identity.

Posted by: ejo at October 07, 2016 10:37 AM (il4FI)

166 The brother who is standing up would eventually see combat in Korea, the brother sitting on the box, will serve possibly as a draftee, but won't see combat himself. The bus driver and possibly the cab driver, might have been veterans of WWI, more likely, just part of Wilson's great mobilization. The garage workers...would be the age of my maternal grandfather who was a tweener, too young for WWI and too old for WWII. Just a pair of guys who helped keep the local economy churning while the young men were off fighting and dying in Europe, North Africa and the Pacific...really awesome painting.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 10:37 AM (7N6ox)

167 a pantsuit flash dance mob

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That might be the scariest mob of all. Shudder.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 10:38 AM (gmeXX)

168 Lots of detail in that one.
One or both of those kids could be in the queue for Korea.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2016 10:38 AM (9mTYi)

169 But the owners of Wheely Wheely Good don't see what all the fuss is about.

http://tinyurl.com/ze9slt4
Posted by: Ed Anger at October 07, 2016 10:03 AM (RcpcZ)
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Wow, a Grumman truck.

There is one (or more) food trucks in Houston which serve Korean-Mexican fusion food.

Check out the logo.

http://coreanostx.com

Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2016 10:38 AM (NUqwG)

170 So when did it all go off the rails? And can we ever get it back?

My Magic 8-Ball says,

"Outlook not so good."

Yeah, that's what I figured.

Posted by: GuyfromNH at October 07, 2016 10:38 AM (5zfq1)

171 "To my brother George, the richest man in town."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 10:40 AM (H5rtT)

172 "i love how close the smaller boy is sitting to the marine..."

watch it with that. don't you know that in deborah solomon's massive biography of rockwell she concluded he was closeted gay and possibly a pedophile?

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 07, 2016 10:32 AM (WTSFk)

Hairy Reid: I've never liked his work before but have have to study them more carefully now

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 10:40 AM (493sH)

173 Great painting for the Deplorables. It isn't that they're any less intelligent than the Idiot Intellectuals. It's that they are not as vain.

Posted by: Caliban at October 07, 2016 10:40 AM (DrC22)

174 City councils hate food trucks which basically found a "loophole" around all the rules and regulations placed on restaurants by city councils.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 10:40 AM (gmeXX)

175 4 Jap flag is racist. Oops I mean Japanese flag.

I came across the most horrible photo from the Rape of Nanking I have yet to see. Had to search a bit to make sure it wasn't photoshopped. Clear, clean, not grainy.

A young, attractive Chinese woman naked and kneeling clutching her dead baby to her breast. Eyes closed in anguish. Head poised perfectly about 2" above her body as it has just been severed by a Japanese officers sword.

Funny, the leftists that make the claim we started the war because we embargoed critical resources usually ignore why we embargoed those resources...

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at October 07, 2016 10:41 AM (USf3s)

176 When do we get the post declaring Matthew a serious hurricane, yes - but not an Apocalypse?

When do we acknowledge that you don't force millions of people to evacuate, just to save 4 or 5 of them?

Hurricanes happen. The Carolina Hurricanes is a sports team. Blizzards happen. The Mississippi floods, as do every other river.

Our need for Maximum Catastrophe is yet another sign of our undoing and ungluing. I believe it is appropriate to post this hear, next to a painting that portrays not reality, but a desired reality. In 1946, or whenever this was painted, this was the America that most Americans believed in and desired. An America where sacrifice was acknowledged as being necessary sometimes, as the price of freedom. An America that appreciated the sacrifice, mostly.

Rockwell was a fantasist, this is true, and his embracing FDR's totally socialistic "4 Freedoms" is deplorable (word chosen intentionally), but he sold a lot of Saturday Evening Post's with this stuff. This is the America that people saw in the mirror, or wanted to.

Today they desire an America where a Hurricane causes panic akin to an Apocalypse. Sad.

Posted by: RobM1981 at October 07, 2016 10:41 AM (VVBN7)

177 "here," not "hear..." could use an Edit button, for sure.

Posted by: RobM1981 at October 07, 2016 10:42 AM (VVBN7)

178 Someone's comment after the article on the Asian food truck said the Councilwoman sounds like a

Wheely Wheely stupid person. LOL

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 07, 2016 10:42 AM (EnGQE)

179 Glad it's Friday. Glad I am not in FL. May the people there stay safe.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at October 07, 2016 10:42 AM (0x/TW)

180 There is one (or more) food trucks in Houston which serve Korean-Mexican fusion food.

Check out the logo.

http://coreanostx.com
Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2016 10:38 AM (NUqwG)

Like when I went into an Indian deli and saw jalapeno samosas. Is this a great country or what? Cultural appropriation is one of our strengths.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at October 07, 2016 10:42 AM (J8/9G)

181 Barry is prattling on about Hurricane Matthew. I'm sure he's bored as hell doing this and he'll probably start lecturing about how global warming caused it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 10:43 AM (493sH)

182 I would have expected a rant from NGU on this -- after the stripping away of every Navy job title, the remaining single title for everybody is going to be Seaman.
Get it? Seaman? Now, they could have gone with Sailor, it would have meant something, and they'd have lost the gender aspect. But they had to do that.

Watch for "Seaperson" (sounds like a Silkie!) and "Airperson," coming soon.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 10:36 AM (H5rtT)

Oh I ranted some at HQ...I asked my Master Chief if I can just refer to someone as "Hey you" and he said he prefers the term "Hey you Jack Off", so I will bow to his expertise.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2016 10:43 AM (zp+j1)

183 The marine is explaining that burning itch he picked up at the brothel just prior to shipping out.

Posted by: Roy at October 07, 2016 10:43 AM (VndSC)

184 could use an Edit button, for sure.

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#Twoweaks

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 07, 2016 10:43 AM (PNcou)

185 I've never seen this one before. Thank you, CBD. Made me tear up.

Posted by: fly gal at October 07, 2016 10:43 AM (8TdcF)

186 That Drudge story about the National Guard and Mass. State Police swooping down in a helicopter to seize an octogenarian's single medicinal marijuana plant. Our Gubmint at work.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at October 07, 2016 10:44 AM (WlGX+)

187 Today they desire an America where a Hurricane causes panic akin to an Apocalypse. Sad.

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I agree. How unbecoming of a governor to say "You will die." Of course I expect nothing less from Christ.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 10:44 AM (gmeXX)

188 125 The guy with the pipe is the marine's dad. The guy with the blue-ish hat is the marine's Uncle Bud. The kids? Tommy & Joey. Dan the bus driver and Eddy, the news stand owner.

So that's Joey's shirt hanging in the background.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at October 07, 2016 10:45 AM (WlGX+)

189 You can see that Rockwell understood people. How they interact and why. "Modern" artists like Rauschenberg, Warhol, Picaso and Pollack, not so much. Detached nothingness.

Posted by: Dang Deplorable at October 07, 2016 09:52 AM (8b+oT)

Not true. Warhol, Picasso, et al had different artistic goals. And Rockwell himself? At his best, Rockwell is a marvelous representational artist and masterful technician. At his worst,Rockwell was asaccharine hack knocking one out for the rubes.

As it happens, Andy Warhol spent much of his professional career as a commercial artist--a very good one, too. He was also an excellent representational draftsman when he wanted to be. In his case, I think many people confuse his public, celebritypersona with his work. Insofar as I can tell, nothing he did was about 'detached nothingness' although, like Rockwell, he did like getting paid a bunch of money for what he did.

Posted by: William. Shatner. at October 07, 2016 10:45 AM (OGbEB)

190 Jerry Rice Apologizes For His "All Lives Matter" Comments

Jerry Rice received tons of backlash after tweeting "All Lives Matter" in response to Colin Kaepernick's protest of the national anthem. While many accused the legendary wide receiver of being out of touch, he stood by his Tweet. However, on Thursday (Oct. 6) the 52-year-old former 49er issued an apology stating he was misinformed about the Black Lives Matter movement.

He should have stuck to his guns and told them to fark off

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 10:46 AM (493sH)

191 @186 Damn right.
I am a manly man made out of twisted steel and old pain. Also, I have large vises.
And I teared up too. Proud to say.

"Any man who doesn't cry at the end of Old Yeller is not welcome in my army."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 10:46 AM (H5rtT)

192 Off William. Shatner. sock.

Posted by: troyriser at October 07, 2016 10:46 AM (OGbEB)

193 Love the painting.

Posted by: PaleRider at October 07, 2016 10:46 AM (Jen0I)

194 184 The marine is explaining that burning itch he picked up at the brothel just prior to shipping out.

LOL. The ying to Rockwell's yang.

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at October 07, 2016 10:46 AM (USf3s)

195 for those that missed it, this video counts Hillary reading off her "teleprompter" 595 times, and it seems pretty clear. It is well described, shows she didn't look at all for her opening, and Trump only looked down like that 10 times. (I noted also she seems to look around the mike stand usually with her head off to one side)

It seems clear she is not looking at her own notes, they are seen in other pics, with pen on top of them, and her looking at the "light bar". (another video clearly shows the "screen" turning on at the beginning as she walks to the podium, then off at the end of the debate as she walks away)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4zUrBgB6RM

This one shows still images, showing it is not a light for her notes, and the stills of Mr. Sneaky Man going back to her lectern a few times, reaching way back up in there and finagling with something for several seconds. Other shots show him taking something out later, and a lot of concern about it in between.
https://___ur.com/gallery/WxsAR

Your witness. lol

Posted by: illiniwek at October 07, 2016 10:46 AM (n6rAX)

196 Concerning Helen Gym and the food truck- I recently have seen several videos from black folks explaining how racism wasn't just prejudice against someone from another race, it had to include an institutional power element to it as well. And since whites controlled all the institutions of power, minorities couldn't be racists.

Nevermind the black President, the black attorney general, etc, etc.

Personally, I took the name of the food truck business as a silly pun.

Posted by: Darth Randall at October 07, 2016 10:47 AM (6n332)

197 That painting is so many things.

You have a demobbed Marine who is not a conquering hero, but a normal human, as most were and are.

You have a whole lot of white adults who would have never seen the halls of the schools that Barack Obama attended but who for the most part could be assumed to live productive lives.

You have a small shop of the kind that the current administrative class regards as unimportant, yet once represented the backbone of the economy.

Posted by: JEM at October 07, 2016 10:47 AM (TppKb)

198 Blog post is about a great new freebie for Amazon prime members

Link in nic

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 07, 2016 10:47 AM (Om16U)

199 Take a kayak! Go into those walls!

Posted by: Baldy at October 07, 2016 10:47 AM (idEUu)

200

Definitely the young marine in the article on the wall titled "Garage Hero"

This used to be where he worked. Note he is holding the old Japanese flag

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 10:47 AM (QO4Sy)

201 If you get misty-eyed during Lea Thompson's voiceover at the end of RED DAWN...you might be a Deplorable.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at October 07, 2016 10:48 AM (WlGX+)

202 So when did it all go off the rails? And can we ever get it back?

My Magic 8-Ball says,

"Outlook not so good."

Yeah, that's what I figured.

Posted by: GuyfromNH

I'd argue its not gone...just changed. you only have to see the turnouts that Trump is generating to know that.
But we deplorables cannot be passive. We don't have to be nice, op even polite. Been that too long. We can be firm in our resolve, firm in our response and intolerant of progressive BS.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 07, 2016 10:48 AM (0tfLf)

203 Is it true Trump said "forget debate prep?"

This can't be happening again.

Posted by: bobbyfischer at October 07, 2016 10:48 AM (+KgnD)

204 the second link should be
https://___ur.com/gallery/WxsAR

Posted by: illiniwek at October 07, 2016 10:49 AM (n6rAX)

205 126 I love how close the smaller boy is sitting to the Marine, as if he must be as close as possible to not miss any detail of the story being told.
Posted by: Eli Cash at October 07, 2016 10:26 AM (a+WIL)

I love that it's a group of men being men. Enjoying each other's company, and training up the young ones to be decent, hardworking citizens like their forbears. Teaching them respect for service and hard work. It is a great painting. Thanks CBD.

As for the clown thing, I texted my daughter last night, to pick her up from a late shift at her college job, and she said she was fine walking home, that there had only been one clown with a machete terrorizing people on campus.

Yes, I freaked out. Mama's got to be mama.

Posted by: Moki at October 07, 2016 10:50 AM (VnCI9)

206 187 That Drudge story about the National Guard and Mass. State Police swooping down in a helicopter to seize an octogenarian's single medicinal marijuana plant. Our Gubmint at work.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at October 07, 2016 10:44 AM (WlGX+)

The War on Drugs must be fought to the bitter end, on the shores, in the streets and in old ladies' back yards! No amount of killing 7-year-olds, blowing up babies, kicking in the wrong doors, shooting household pets and using the Constitution as toilet paper shall dissuade us from this holiest of crusades!

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 07, 2016 10:50 AM (0mRoj)

207 >>>his embracing FDR's totally socialistic "4 Freedoms" is deplorable

The term "freedom" is deliberately equivocal. Socialists are such sleazes. Schools should be teaching kids how to see through their schtick, instead of teaching the schtick itself.

Posted by: Yuimetal at October 07, 2016 10:50 AM (iFgwk)

208 not sure why it does that, but it is ___ur dot com, the rest is correct

Posted by: illiniwek at October 07, 2016 10:51 AM (n6rAX)

209 Illiniwek #twoweeks

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 07, 2016 10:52 AM (NQm4Z)

210 lol ... im g ur all one word, good grief

Posted by: illiniwek at October 07, 2016 10:52 AM (n6rAX)

211 14 Yeah. Name is Joe, and that is his apron hanging on the wall.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2016 10:52 AM (9mTYi)

212
Today they desire an America where a Hurricane causes panic akin to an Apocalypse. Sad.
Posted by: RobM1981 at October 07, 2016 10:41 AM (VVBN7)

No, they want normalcy today just as then. What they get is a Federally propped up Weather service that feeds several competing weather channels on television, who compete with several news channels for viewers. And you have a recipe for the weather apocalypse.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 07, 2016 10:52 AM (ntZAP)

213 The guy with the pipe is the marine's dad. The guy with the blue-ish hat is the marine's Uncle Bud. The kids? Tommy & Joey. Dan the bus driver and Eddy, the news stand owner.

So that's Joey's shirt hanging in the background.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?

Joey's dad who worked at the garage and is in the Solomon Islands servicing Corsairs.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 10:53 AM (Bd48Y)

214 CBD -
Awesome selection today. Love it. I assume that it is the local police officer/chief that is sitting across from him.

Looking at this, with the garage setting, takes me back to my grandfather's garage/shop. Hours and hours were spent in there exploring, and watching a master at work.

Oh, to be back in a simpler time.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 07, 2016 10:53 AM (jxbfJ)

215 127 "Councilwoman Helen Gym Says This Food Truck Is Racist"

She actually accused the owners of using "racist typeface."

And nobody beat her ass.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 07, 2016 10:27 AM (97XyN)

She's Asian too. She might know kung fu.

Posted by: buzzion at October 07, 2016 10:53 AM (z/Ubi)

216
Hurricanes happen. The Carolina Hurricanes is a sports team. Blizzards happen.

The Blizzard is a Dairy Queen treat.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2016 10:54 AM (IqV8l)

217 I see a potential domestic terrorist.

Posted by: Janet Napolitano at October 07, 2016 10:54 AM (0mRoj)

218 Makes me wonder how many guys came back home and could really talk to folks like that about the war they'd fought through...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 07, 2016 10:04 AM (wtvvX)

I really like this painting, but I think you're right. The WWII servicemen famously did not talk about what they had witnessed and done when they came back home. Like many Holocaust survivors, they wanted to focus on their new lives not dwell on the horrors of the past.

While that's understandable, it might have been a mistake. As Roger Simon at PJ Media wrote once, the Baby Boomers did not grow up with an understanding of evil, although they were born directly after one of the most evil epochs in history. The radicals turned the older generation - the ones who had fought evil - into the villains.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 10:54 AM (u0lmX)

219 Definitely the young marine in the article on the wall titled "Garage Hero"

This used to be where he worked. Note he is holding the old Japanese flag
Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 10:47 AM (QO4Sy)

Look at the expression on his face - the way his forehead is wrinkled - and the way he holds the Japanese flag as he tells his story. He's seen shit.

LOVE Norman Rockwell. Love this painting. Thank you CBD for ending my week with this and not some fat naked guy sitting on an ottoman!

Posted by: NavyMom at October 07, 2016 10:54 AM (Y4c10)

220 The shop coat and hat marked "Joe" belong to the Marine. Tomorrow morning he's going to put them back on and get back to work.

Want to meet these guys? There was a whole series of these:
http://tinyurl.com/zcx22wp

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 10:54 AM (H5rtT)

221 She's Asian too. She might know kung fu.
Posted by: buzzion at October 07, 2016 10:53 AM (z/Ubi)

And a few other Chinese words as well.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 07, 2016 10:55 AM (0mRoj)

222 I don't know much about Rockwell as a person. I don't want to ruin my enjoyment of his paintings, so I'm going to leave it that way.

Posted by: Eli Cash at October 07, 2016 10:56 AM (a+WIL)

223 I like it too. My grandfather could be the vet. (he was a radioman on a destroyer in the pacific) My father is a Veit Nam era Marine. Me and two of my brothers were Pre 9-11 Sailors. My kids have no interest in being any military.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 07, 2016 10:56 AM (hMqvx)

224 This just came across my Gab feed:

https://youtu.be/KmkXCsqJee0

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 07, 2016 10:57 AM (GUBah)

225 198
Blog post is about a great new freebie for Amazon prime members

Link in nic

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 07, 2016 10:47 AM (Om16U)

Why is that "new". They have had a free list of books for prime members since I have been a member.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 07, 2016 10:57 AM (mpXpK)

226
While that's understandable, it might have been a mistake. As Roger Simon at PJ Media wrote once, the Baby Boomers did not grow up with an understanding of evil, although they were born directly after one of the most evil epochs in history. The radicals turned the older generation - the ones who had fought evil - into the villains.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 10:54 AM (u0lmX)

And for the sake of history, to tell their stories in their own words & not let the radicals write the histories.

Posted by: josephistan at October 07, 2016 10:57 AM (7HtZB)

227 OT but I heard a group of guys on my morning commute and a separate group of guys at the coffee shop saying how they refused to watch the 49's game last night. I hope this is really the start of some sort of destructor moment for the NFL.

Posted by: Eli Cash at October 07, 2016 10:57 AM (a+WIL)

228 Warhol's paintings are about celebrities. Rockwell's paintings are about the rest of us.

Posted by: Caliban at October 07, 2016 10:57 AM (DrC22)

229 Jerry Rice received tons of backlash after tweeting "All Lives Matter" in response to Colin Kaepernick's protest of the national anthem. While many accused the legendary wide receiver of being out of touch, he stood by his Tweet. However, on Thursday (Oct. 6) the 52-year-old former 49er issued an apology stating he was misinformed about the Black Lives Matter movement.

He should have stuck to his guns and told them to fark off
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 10:46 AM (493sH)

So when a hero folds like a house of cards, are they still a hero?
I'm so tired of these people. Someone likely called him an Uncle Tom and there you have it.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 07, 2016 10:57 AM (ntZAP)

230 I found a cool write-up about this painting.. Rockwell was simply amazing.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 07, 2016 10:57 AM (so+oy)

231 The shop coat and hat marked "Joe" belong to the Marine. Tomorrow morning he's going to put them back on and get back to work.

And THAT is the most amazing thing about Rockwell's paintings.
Everyone that looks at it can come up with their own backstory for the painting.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 10:58 AM (Bd48Y)

232 The marine is holding a Rising Sun flag? Huh.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 10:58 AM (gXKl3)

233 US adds just 156,000 jobs, unemployment rate rises to 5.0%

The US labor market stumbled a bit in September.

US companies added just 156,000 jobs during the month, missing expectations for 172,000. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate climbed to 5.0% from 4.9% a month ago.

Stumbled a bit? Yeah, and Hillary just lost her balance in NYC last month. The economy is a raging disaster only propped by by liars in the media and massaged numbers.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 10:58 AM (493sH)

234 It's all fun and games til one of you clips a food truck.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 07, 2016 10:59 AM (o9g/Q)

235 "I've heard one person comment that they're not actual clowns, but people dressed as clowns."

So, 'actual' clowns are what??
Are they born with big round noses and shit?

These fake clowns are guilty of clown culture appropriation!

Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at October 07, 2016 10:59 AM (QM5S2)

236 Ms. Gym. You calm down now. You sit down, have nice bowl of Uncle Tom Yum Soup.

Posted by: Wheely Wheely Good at October 07, 2016 11:00 AM (iFgwk)

237 Jesus, some people need a history course

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2016 11:00 AM (zp+j1)

238 OT but I heard a group of guys on my morning commute and a separate group of guys at the coffee shop saying how they refused to watch the 49's game last night. I hope this is really the start of some sort of destructor moment for the NFL.

------------

Last night combined the two things that have damaged the NFL the most: Thursday Night Football and Kapernick.

Giving people a reason not to watch is never a good idea. Because they will use that reason on Sundays too even if it is the Packers playing the Steelers.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 11:00 AM (gmeXX)

239 141 Drudge's picture of Hurricane Matthew is more frightening than I thought. I hope everyone evacuated. You don't want to be anywhere near that.
Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 10:30 AM (gmeXX)

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I've seen no pics of the absolute devastation forecast with this storm. And I know if there had been, we'd be seeing it by now. All I've seen so far is tree branches down. I'm watching an aftermath report right now.

Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2016 11:00 AM (Fmupd)

240 Where the heck are these guys sitting? It looks like someplace you might get your hands dirty. Yuck.
Oh well, back to my twittering.

Hey maaaaaa, we're out of Cheetos. AGAIN!

Posted by: Bruce at October 07, 2016 11:01 AM (8ikIW)

241 Ms. Gym. You calm down now. You sit down, have nice bowl of Uncle Tom Yum Soup.

With a side of Uncle Ben's rice.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:01 AM (Bd48Y)

242 Stumbled a bit? Yeah, and Hillary just lost her balance in NYC last month. The economy is a raging disaster only propped by by liars in the media and massaged numbers.
Posted by: TheQuietMan
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The economy has come roaring back.

Posted by: Lester Holt at October 07, 2016 11:01 AM (9mTYi)

243 I don't even know who won the NFL game last night and I don't give a shit

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2016 11:01 AM (zp+j1)

244 Yeah

That hat and apron, they are the marines. For when he goes back to work

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 11:01 AM (QO4Sy)

245 (incidentally, rockwell's family has denounced solomon, rightfully in my estimation.)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 07, 2016 11:02 AM (WTSFk)

246 Oh, to be back in a simpler time.

The people back then said the same thing. It's just a thing you say.
Nothing simple about their times. Knee-action shocks were cutting edge tech.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 11:02 AM (H5rtT)

247 Love Rockwell. He captured Americans and the spirit of the day comes so heartwarmingly out of his works.

Posted by: Cheri at October 07, 2016 11:02 AM (oiNtH)

248 141 Drudge's picture of Hurricane Matthew is more frightening than I thought. I hope everyone evacuated. You don't want to be anywhere near that.
Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 10:30 AM (gmeXX)

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I've seen no pics of the absolute devastation forecast with this storm. And I know if there had been, we'd be seeing it by now. All I've seen so far is tree branches down. I'm watching an aftermath report right now.

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Shep hardest hit.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 11:02 AM (gmeXX)

249 And in the latest Limbaugh Theorem news, Obama's approval rating 55%.

Posted by: Yuimetal at October 07, 2016 11:03 AM (iFgwk)

250 The kid wearing the Boston Red Sox jersey foreshadows the incipient Commie takeover of American culture.

*ducks*

Posted by: WaitingForMartel at October 07, 2016 11:03 AM (cq/qc)

251 Elements of the painting. A bumper, when bumpers were just that, rather than style elements, and, a pair of threading dies that are not metric.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2016 11:03 AM (9mTYi)

252 5% unemployment my ass try 12 or 13. How many people fell out of the labor market never to return?

Posted by: USNtakim at October 07, 2016 11:03 AM (hMqvx)

253 And the one guy is SMOKING!!!

AHHHhhhhhhh where's my safe place???!!??!!?

Posted by: Bruce at October 07, 2016 11:03 AM (8ikIW)

254 Warhol's paintings are about celebrities. Rockwell's paintings are about the rest of us.

Posted by: Caliban at October 07, 2016 10:57 AM (DrC22)

*sigh* Look at the body of Warhol's work. Much of it was about skewering manufactured celebrity culture and packaged ideas and the like.

One of Warhol's last projects was a series of religious paintings, including a modern rendering of 'The Last Supper'. He wasn't being ironic or satiric. Warhol was devout (in his way) and attended Mass every week. So yeah, I guess you could say those were celebrity paintings if you consider Jesus Christ a celebrity.

Posted by: troyriser at October 07, 2016 11:03 AM (OGbEB)

255 I've already vowed to beat a clown if I see one trying that shit around my neighborhood and I'm going to make sure my kids see it. What a bunch of nonsense. When idiots do stuff like this, you punch them in the damn mouth, you don't wring your hands and worry, report breathlessly about the fear and ban clown masks.

This country would be in a much better place if way back when the progressive assholes started this social justice garbage they were met with an overwhelming campaign of resistance and mockery, if not actual violence.

Posted by: Eli Cash at October 07, 2016 11:04 AM (a+WIL)

256 239
I've seen no pics of the absolute devastation
forecast with this storm. And I know if there had been, we'd be seeing
it by now. All I've seen so far is tree branches down. I'm watching an
aftermath report right now.

Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2016 11:00 AM (Fmupd)

I had been keeping an eye on this particularly for Palm Beach County where my parents winter. Absolute devastation predicted. Basically a just a "monica lewinsky" - a lot of blowing and wet.

No real damage, a few power outages.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 07, 2016 11:04 AM (jxbfJ)

257 I always wonder what become of the young men in pictures like this. My Marine grandpa came home from Korea, married his Highschool sweetheart, became a machinist, and had 5 kids.

I hope most of them found that peace too.

Posted by: Lauren at October 07, 2016 11:04 AM (0BDj9)

258 Love Rockwell. He captured Americans and the spirit of the day comes so heartwarmingly out of his works.

Posted by: Cheri at October 07, 2016 11:02 AM (oiNtH)
He was also, like Orwell, ahead of his time in predicting Big Brother.
https://youtu.be/7YvAYIJSSZY

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 07, 2016 11:04 AM (GUBah)

259 232 The marine is holding a Rising Sun flag? Huh.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 10:58 AM (gXKl3)

My uncles brought Japanese flags back from the Pacific as souvenirs. I think that was common practice among the servicemen in both the European and Pacific theaters. A friend's dad who had been with Patton's Army had Nazi memorabilia - and believe me, it's not because he was a fan of the Nazis.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 11:05 AM (u0lmX)

260 Apparently a radio station in NC, WFAY, dropped a sports event broadcast when20 or so members of the marching band either refused to play or took a knee during the Star Spangled Banner. Good for them.

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at October 07, 2016 11:05 AM (W653s)

261 The NFL had a game last night?

Whodathunkit?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 07, 2016 11:05 AM (v5iqM)

262 All to true...Troops coming home today are almost put in isolation and searched multiple times on the way out of the War Zone
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2016 10:09 AM (zp+j1)

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No almost about it.

After you squids go through our bags and go over us with a wand multiple times, we're put in quarantine until we board the plane.

Many grunt-on-squid hijinks ensue

Posted by: SMFH at my irredeemable self... at October 07, 2016 11:05 AM (2aLI9)

263 I always wonder what become of the young men in pictures like this. My Marine grandpa came home from Korea, married his Highschool sweetheart, became a machinist, and had 5 kids.

I hope most of them found that peace too.
Posted by: Lauren at October 07, 2016 11:04 AM (0BDj9)

They went back to work and helped make America great which allowed us to rebuild most of Europe, Japan, and defend Freedom around the World until the left decided to come in and fuck it all up.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2016 11:06 AM (zp+j1)

264 The kid wearing the Boston Red Sox jersey foreshadows the incipient Commie takeover of American culture.
------
Okay, that triggers the once-a-month post of the excerpt from Micky Spillane's 'One Lonely Night':

"I killed more people tonight than I have fingers on my hand. I shot them in cold blood and enjoyed every minute of it. I pumped slugs in the nastiest bunch of bastards you ever saw and here I am calmer than I've ever been, and happy too. They were Communists, Lee. They were red sons of bitches who should have died long ago..."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2016 11:06 AM (9mTYi)

265 All to true...Troops coming home today are almost put in isolation and searched multiple times on the way out of the War Zone
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2016 10:09 AM (zp+j1)

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No almost about it.

After you squids go through our bags and go over us with a wand multiple times, we're put in quarantine until we board the plane.

Many grunt-on-squid hijinks ensue
Posted by: SMFH at my irredeemable self... at October 07, 2016 11:05 AM (2aLI9)

LOL yup

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2016 11:07 AM (zp+j1)

266 NFL

Not
Fecking
Looking

Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at October 07, 2016 11:07 AM (QM5S2)

267

Souvenirs

Very common in Turkey to come back with small blocks of marble from one of Sadam's palaces

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 11:07 AM (QO4Sy)

268 Donna, they did speak and a lot, only among their peers in the VFW and American Legion. Sadly, these places are largely ignored by the young veterans, they don't get the catharsis of having sympathetic ears and experiences to bring them back to level.

The newer groups are entirely too political which is why I sit at a healthy distance even if I agree with Concerned Veterans for America and abhor IAVA. They are in a tug of war for members, but I see very little in the way of either being truly a lobbying organization for the support of veterans and our concerns.

But this young Marine is telling an airbrushed version of events to the audience which you can see from the rapt attention of everybody. They are not getting this young man's personal experience, just the mechanical version from trigger squeezes to dead Japanese.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 11:07 AM (7N6ox)

269 Why is that "new". They have had a free list of books for prime members since I have been a member.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 07, 2016 10:57 AM (mpXpK)

Did they used to have a lot of free titles or do you mean the lending library?
I think this is an expanded version, similar to Prime video, including magazines and comic books.

Posted by: @votermom's phone at October 07, 2016 11:08 AM (lboSL)

270 I can almost smell the 125 octane in that pic.

Posted by: Corona at October 07, 2016 11:08 AM (ragzU)

271 That America was worth defending.
Todays America is not.

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at October 07, 2016 11:08 AM (dIc3Q)

272 You just know at least one of the men in that picture has one of those horrible jobs a seventh grader could do.

Ewww.

Posted by: Chico Escuela-Fully Credentialled Intellectual Conservative at October 07, 2016 11:09 AM (usCMa)

273 246
Oh, to be back in a simpler time.

The people back then said the same thing. It's just a thing you say.
Nothing simple about their times. Knee-action shocks were cutting edge tech.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 11:02 AM (H5rtT)
With all due respect, look back at your youth, and what it is like for youth today.40 yrs ago I climbed trees, put hundreds of miles on my bicycle each year, fished, played ball in the neighborhood, hear church bells on the hour, fire whistle at noon.Today? noses down in electronic devices with their thumbs going like a blur.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 07, 2016 11:09 AM (jxbfJ)

274 All to true...Troops coming home today are almost put in isolation and searched multiple times on the way out of the War Zone

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2016 10:09 AM (zp+j1)

---

No almost about it.

After you squids go through our bags and go over us with a wand
multiple times, we're put in quarantine until we board the plane.

Many grunt-on-squid hijinks ensue

Posted by: SMFH at my irredeemable self... at October 07, 2016 11:05 AM (2aLI9)

I know you both know, but for the rest of the Horde, yes, there's a form for that, too. Bureaucracy has to justify its existence.

http://tinyurl.com/h44sp2b

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 07, 2016 11:09 AM (GUBah)

275 You just know that there are pickle jars, boxes , and containers chock full of rusty used nails and hardware in there. It's a replica of my grandfather's garage. Loved that place.

Beautiful painting.

Appropos of nothing, the sign language translator guy from South Carolina on the Weather Channel is cracking me up.

Seriously I think the guy may be visiting Earth from Arcturus.

I know. I am a bad, bad person.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 07, 2016 11:09 AM (zu88C)

276 That basic style of typeface is used on signs all over the "Asian" shopping area in SW Denver.

Because Asians like it.

Posted by: Meremortal.... at October 07, 2016 11:10 AM (3myMJ)

277 So when a hero folds like a house of cards, are they still a hero?
I'm so tired of these people. Someone likely called him an Uncle Tom and there you have it.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 07, 2016 10:57 AM (ntZAP)

Despite the plain fact that these protests are unpopular and making NLF ratings down, nobody has the cajones to tell these BLM freaks to go to hell without apologizing afterward.

It's so frustrating - we won't rid ourselves of these SJWs until people start telling them they're ridiculous.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 11:10 AM (u0lmX)

278 One of my favorite Rockwell paintings is his self portrait, which features him from behind sitting on his stool in front of his canvas, leaning over and peering through glasses at his image in a mirror as he sketches his face. Taped to the top of the easel is a photograph of him.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at October 07, 2016 11:10 AM (RwwCT)

279 "That America was worth defending.
Todays America is not."

Bullshit.

Posted by: Meremortal.... at October 07, 2016 11:11 AM (3myMJ)

280 To be fair, to this Marine at least, we used to have a joke at the VFW that there were two kinds of WWII vets: those who had won the war single-handedly, and those who had actually seen combat. No overlap.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 11:11 AM (H5rtT)

281 Appropos of nothing, the sign language translator guy from South Carolina on the Weather Channel is cracking me up.

Seriously I think the guy may be visiting Earth from ~~Arcturus~~ Nelson Mandela's funeral.

FIFY.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:12 AM (Bd48Y)

282 (i haven't read her book, but from what i've seen in reviews of it, solomon's conclusions are entirely speculative, spun recklessly from nothing, actually. to spin interpretations as facts is committing historical malpractice.)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 07, 2016 11:12 AM (WTSFk)

283 >>>(incidentally, rockwell's family has denounced solomon, rightfully in my estimation.)

Dirty minded libtard+wants to sell books. Also probably envious that all she can do is write about other people's accomplishments.

Posted by: Yuimetal at October 07, 2016 11:12 AM (iFgwk)

284 I can't even focus on whatever Hikki Naley is saying.

Paramount has got to grab this sign language guy for the next Star Trek flick.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 07, 2016 11:13 AM (zu88C)

285 That America was worth defending.

Todays America is not.

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at October 07, 2016 11:08 AM (dIc3Q)

Shit like that makes me think you don't get out much.

Posted by: troyriser at October 07, 2016 11:14 AM (OGbEB)

286 Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 07, 2016 11:09 AM (GUBah)

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Had to fill that form out for a stupid bayonet.

Posted by: SMFH at my irredeemable self... at October 07, 2016 11:14 AM (2aLI9)

287 Well fellow 'rons and 'ettes. it's a Friday and you know what that means!!!!
Another data dump from a government agency that further incriminates Clinton and the Administration but will be completely ignored by the storm and media alike.

I wonder what we won't hear about today?

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 07, 2016 11:14 AM (0tfLf)

288 So far this Hurricane has been a nothing-burger - to America anyway.

I love the headlines.

"Still Dangerous."

"The Worst is Yet to Come."

"One Small Shift could be Disastrous."

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 11:16 AM (gmeXX)

289 No almost about it.

After you squids go through our bags and go over us with a wand multiple times, we're put in quarantine until we board the plane.
Posted by: SMFH
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They even look in your mouth.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2016 11:17 AM (9mTYi)

290 It's spelled VATO puta.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 07, 2016 11:17 AM (Y8eZh)

291 No way, Jose.

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 07, 2016 11:17 AM (GUBah)

292 273 246
Oh, to be back in a simpler time.

The GIs who liberated Buchenwald and the Marines who survived Okinawa were not thinking "Oh, this is a wonderful era to be alive!"

There had to be plenty of times when they cursed their bad luck in being born in 1920 or thereabouts. Depression during their childhood and a horrific war in their young adulthood

Toward the end of her life, my mom showed me her hs yearbook (class of '42). I remember her pointing to one young kid after another: "That's Jimmy, he was always so funny. He was killed in Italy in '43." "Tom was killed at Imo Jima." "Mike was Betty's fianc�, he was killed in Germany." And so on.

A better time in the US? Yeah. An absolute shit storm elsewhere.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 11:18 AM (u0lmX)

293 Hmm, haven't we all agreed not to watch the NFL? And the NBA? Really?

Now go back and finish roofing my house, Hose.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 07, 2016 11:18 AM (hqZPQ)

294 <a href="http://nyp.st/2dXmmP7"> Concern Troll is very concerned.</a> And yes, I do love it.

Posted by: Deplorably Rusty Nail at October 07, 2016 11:18 AM (S2VsH)

295 Jose has issues. Hint: if you fantasize about guys and you're a guy, you're probably the kind of guy who likes guys. Not judgin', just sayin'.

Posted by: troyriser at October 07, 2016 11:19 AM (OGbEB)

296 Huh, I guess no hyperlinks for me.

Posted by: Deplorably Rusty Nail at October 07, 2016 11:19 AM (S2VsH)

297 >> YOU'LL BE SUCKING MY BIG LATIN AMERICAN
>> DICK NEXT YEAR BATO'S.

I'm hoping we can beat you over the head with it until death, but that might require filling out a form.

Posted by: JEM at October 07, 2016 11:19 AM (TppKb)

298 Bullshit.
Posted by: Meremortal
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*fistbump*

I ain't lying down.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2016 11:19 AM (9mTYi)

299 273 246
Oh, to be back in a simpler time.

The people back then said the same thing. It's just a thing you say.
Nothing simple about their times. Knee-action shocks were cutting edge tech.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 11:02 AM (H5rtT)
With all due respect, look back at your youth, and what it is like for youth today.40 yrs ago I climbed trees, put hundreds of miles on my bicycle each year, fished, played ball in the neighborhood, hear church bells on the hour, fire whistle at noon.Today? noses down in electronic devices with their thumbs going like a blur.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 07, 2016 11:09 AM (jxbfJ)

Yes, it was a simpler time. They still had two genders back then.

Posted by: josephistan at October 07, 2016 11:20 AM (7HtZB)

300 298 Huh, I guess no hyperlinks for me.
Posted by: Deplorably Rusty Nail at October 07, 2016 11:19 AM (S2VsH)

How long have you been here and you still don't know that?

Posted by: buzzion at October 07, 2016 11:20 AM (z/Ubi)

301 That America was worth defending.

Todays America is not.

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at October 07, 2016 11:08 AM (dIc3Q)

Shit like that makes me think you don't get out much.
Posted by: troyriser

I'm 53.
SOMETHING has changed in the last 43 years because this is NOT the America of my childhood.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:20 AM (Bd48Y)

302
40 yrs ago I climbed trees, put hundreds of miles on my bicycle each year, fished, played ball in the neighborhood, hear church bells on the hour, fire whistle at noon.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 07, 2016 11:09 AM (jxbfJ)

...and during summer had to be home when the street lights came on.

Posted by: T-Squared at October 07, 2016 11:21 AM (VkAIj)

303 No almost about it.

After you squids go through our bags and go over us with a wand multiple times, we're put in quarantine until we board the plane.

Many grunt-on-squid hijinks ensue

Posted by: SMFH
****
Cavity searches?
"Ohhhhh. (nervously) That's where that grenade went. heh."

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at October 07, 2016 11:21 AM (+aCe4)

304 Fear of the barrel keeps me from learning things.

Posted by: Deplorably Rusty Nail at October 07, 2016 11:21 AM (S2VsH)

305 TB3K must be down.

Though I really wish someone would stick Thin Veneer of Civility into the spam file so his posts wouldn't even show up at all.

Posted by: buzzion at October 07, 2016 11:21 AM (z/Ubi)

306 @273With all due respect, look back at your youth, and
what it is like for youth today. Posted by: Our Country is Screwed

With a similar amount of respect, you're practicing what's called "Obi Sunt," which I'll translate as "Zen and the Art of My Lawn, Get Off It." When I was riding the same bikes, falling out of the same trees, and working on my vacuum-tube Electronics Merit Badge, we were constantly overseen by the social conservatives of the day, lamenting Big Sports, TV, comic books, and Coke that rotted your guts.

The first instance I know of, in this country, of hot tech advances destroying the family was the lament over the iron stove replacing the kitchen hearth, though there may be earlier instances. Longbows do come to mind.

In every case they are right -- something is lost. But it's not always the whole Republic. Now, I'm biased, because most of my younger friends are Eagle Scouts or junior officers. But "The Country's All Gone to Shit" is not my religion.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 11:22 AM (H5rtT)

307 I'm 53.

SOMETHING has changed in the last 43 years because this is NOT the America of my childhood.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:20 AM (Bd48Y)

Nothing stays the same. The whole point of conservativism is to hold onto that which has value.

Posted by: troyriser at October 07, 2016 11:22 AM (OGbEB)

308 "Hey y'all, today is my 20th 'professional' anniversary with Huma!" *Cackle, cough, cackle, choke, cackle, slurp, cough*

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Rubbin-Clit on at October 07, 2016 11:22 AM (SeD0w)

309 Thanks CBD, fantastic painting, for all the reasons noted by morons already.

Rockwell was a genius, not just his technique but his subjects and the feel he had for them.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 07, 2016 11:23 AM (QDnY+)

310 No way, Jose.

What about hose b?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:23 AM (Bd48Y)

311

Boston University’s Students for Justice in Palestine and Umoja, a black student group, hosted a panel discussion Wednesday claiming Africans Americans and Palestinians both suffer under “fascist states.”

The event held at Boston University’s School of Law explored connections between the Black Lives Matter movement in the U.S. and the Palestinian liberation movement in Israel, and was titled Imprisonment of a People: From the U.S. to Palestine.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2016 11:23 AM (IqV8l)

312 willowed yet? OK, that's "Ubi sunt," and I'm sorry for that.
"Where are the snows of yesteryear?"

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 11:23 AM (H5rtT)

313 we were constantly overseen by the social conservatives of the day, lamenting Big Sports, TV, comic books, and Coke that rotted your guts.

Hey, ace is a social conservative!

Posted by: buzzion at October 07, 2016 11:23 AM (z/Ubi)

314 Nothing stays the same. The whole point of conservativism is to hold onto that which has value.

Then we fucked up. Because we haven't held onto shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:24 AM (Bd48Y)

315 Srsly, she and Huma celebrated their "professional" anni. I wonder when they'll come out.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 07, 2016 11:24 AM (SeD0w)

316 300
Bullshit.

Posted by: Meremortal

---------

*fistbump*

I ain't lying down.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2016 11:19 AM (9mTYi)
Not until I'm at room temperature anyways.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 07, 2016 11:24 AM (jxbfJ)

317 318 Nothing stays the same. The whole point of conservativism is to hold onto that which has value.

Then we fucked up. Because we haven't held onto shit.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:24 AM (Bd48Y)

Not the hill to die on.

Posted by: buzzion at October 07, 2016 11:24 AM (z/Ubi)

318 Well, to no one's surprise, unemployment is creeping up.

No matter who wins, I see the economy falling off a cliff in the next 1-2 years. There's all sorts of warning signs and even big financial institutions are saying things look grim.

And the Fed has no ammunition left, they spent it all the last 8 years propping up Obama and the stock market.

Posted by: Maritime at October 07, 2016 11:24 AM (hm8zK)

319 "Nothing stays the same. The whole point of conservativism is to hold onto that which has value."

Except that the GOP completely surrendered the culture war on my behalf without my consent. But hey, we get low-ish tax rates, and we can export oil, now. So the conservatives "won", right?

Posted by: Deplorably Rusty Nail at October 07, 2016 11:25 AM (S2VsH)

320 Chicano? I haven't heard anybody called a Chicano since "Chico and the Man" was a hit show. 1970 is calling and it wants its' terminology back.

Now we know our troll is some old fart, probably senile.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 11:25 AM (u0lmX)

321 Hey Jose, there will be five times a day you shut that shit off and hit the prayer rug.

Posted by: Deplorable Imam at October 07, 2016 11:25 AM (0tfLf)

322 TheQuietMan @ 7--- Right there.
Rockwell's America was our America. My Daddy and my Uncles, my preacher and Sunday School teacher, they all wore the uniform and fought the enemy. And those old guys sitting around the Marine? They were the ones too old or 4F or factory or shipyard workers. Nonetheless, NONE of these people wanted America to lose. Not like today. My America is gone. Our America is gone. The enemy's amerika is on the horizon. Uncle Sam needs YOU!

Posted by: Eromero at October 07, 2016 11:25 AM (zLDYs)

323 THE CHICANO MUSIC WILL BE HEARD EVERYWHERE YOU GO IN THE NEW AMERICA.

Ok, man, settle down. Do I get government subsidized dingle balls around my windshield too?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 07, 2016 11:25 AM (SeD0w)

324 Nothing stays the same. The whole point of conservativism is to hold onto that which has value.
Posted by: troyriser
-----------

A conservative is someone who stands athwart history, yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who so urge it.

Posted by: Wm. F. Buckley Jr. at October 07, 2016 11:25 AM (9mTYi)

325 321 318 Nothing stays the same. The whole point of conservativism is to hold onto that which has value.

Then we fucked up. Because we haven't held onto shit.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:24 AM (Bd48Y)

Not the hill to die on.
Posted by: buzzion at October 07, 2016 11:24 AM (z/Ubi)

They blasted and bulldozed the hill to build a Center for Transgender Studies.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 07, 2016 11:26 AM (0mRoj)

326 >> Well, to no one's surprise, unemployment is
>> creeping up.

Ohferchrissake, does ANYONE believe ANY statistic that comes out of the Federal government?

It's only creeping up because they've run into a (temporary) inability to suppress reality.

Posted by: JEM at October 07, 2016 11:26 AM (TppKb)

327 Now we know our troll is some old fart, probably senile.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 11:25 AM (u0lmX)

Any minute now he's going to call somebody 'Vato', and then we'll know for sure.

Posted by: troyriser at October 07, 2016 11:26 AM (OGbEB)

328 "That picture of Hillary on Drudge: Hillary greeting you to one of her "fun camps"
Posted by: Colin"

Welcome to the camp, I guess you all know why you're here..
My name is Shrillary, and I became your Presence this year..
You're gonna follow me, or you're gonna take a fall...
So put on this lipstick, put on your eyeshade, you know where to stick your tongue.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at October 07, 2016 11:26 AM (8e0lA)

329
Well, to no one's surprise, unemployment is creeping up.

Unexpectedly, of course.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2016 11:27 AM (IqV8l)

330 Ok, man, settle down. Do I get government subsidized dingle balls around my windshield too?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 07, 2016 11:25 AM (SeD0w)

I want a low rider.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 07, 2016 11:27 AM (0mRoj)

331 I always like Norman Rockwell's paintings, too. They remind me of like in America when I was a child.

Things have changed so much in the last 50 years, some for the better, and some for the worse.

Posted by: ALH at October 07, 2016 11:27 AM (uLuPn)

332 Great painting. Morons, we need to bear in mind that despite the left's best efforts, this country continues to put forth men like those pictured here. We're still producing heroes, we're still producing hard-working small business owners, and we're still producing hopeful, wide-eyed boys.

It's Friday; now, find your gal, and get to producing some more!

Posted by: Trouser Trout in a Barrel at October 07, 2016 11:27 AM (8Dorb)

333 Umoja

I don't even want to know...

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 07, 2016 11:27 AM (SeD0w)

334 >> They blasted and bulldozed the hill to build a
>> Center for Transgender Studies.

I'm sure somewhere there's a Suribachi flag-raising photoshopped to a rainbow flag.

Someone will now post it here and I'll go hurl.

Posted by: JEM at October 07, 2016 11:28 AM (TppKb)

335 Isn't "jose the illegal" just ace messing with MUMR's posts in order to mock him? I recognize the hash.

Posted by: Yuimetal at October 07, 2016 11:28 AM (iFgwk)

336 "Councilwoman Helen Gym Says This Food Truck Is Racist"

She actually accused the owners of using "racist typeface."

And nobody beat her ass.

---------
She needs to be guest of honor at a curb stomping.

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at October 07, 2016 11:28 AM (dIc3Q)

337 And the Fed has no ammunition left, they spent it all the last 8 years propping up Obama and the stock market.

Posted by: Maritime at October 07, 2016 11:24 AM (hm8zK)
--I must admit a grudging respect for the central banker's ability to keep kicking the can down the road. When 2008 hit I didn't think that they were going to be able to kick the can. When the Greece meltdown was happening in Europe, I figured that were all on financial borrowed time.Its amazing to me how we have been able to keep putting off a reckoning on our zombie economy. They will do literally everything they can to try to kick the can down the road.Negative interest rates are next.

Posted by: Revenant at October 07, 2016 11:28 AM (3DSAh)

338 That's"Prez", not "presence". Stupid autocucumber!

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at October 07, 2016 11:29 AM (8e0lA)

339
Welcome to the camp, I guess you all know why you're here..
My name is Shrillary, and I became your Presence this year..
You're gonna follow me, or you're gonna take a fall...
So put on this lipstick, put on your eyeshade, you know where to stick your tongue.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at October 07, 2016 11:26 AM (8e0lA)

Bravo.

Posted by: josephistan at October 07, 2016 11:29 AM (7HtZB)

340 Chicago music? Is that band even still around? Eh, they sucked after Peter Cetera left.

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 07, 2016 11:29 AM (GUBah)

341 339 Isn't "jose the illegal" just ace messing with MUMR's posts in order to mock him? I recognize the hash.
Posted by: Yuimetal at October 07, 2016 11:28 AM (iFgwk)

No. Its a psychotic obsessed freak.

Posted by: buzzion at October 07, 2016 11:29 AM (z/Ubi)

342 I'd say after 8 years of Obama the USA is less worth defending.

Exactly why should I defend a State that enforces gay marriage and persecutes people who don't? And that's on top of the the state letting foreigners come into the country to kill and murder it's citizens. It is clearly becoming an illegitimate organization.

The only allegiance the State holds on me now is the fact my kin live here.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 07, 2016 11:29 AM (IEEVS)

343 Umoja

I don't even want to know...

If I remember the 70s correctly, it's Swahili for "unity".

Which makes this usage ironic.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 07, 2016 11:29 AM (mgbwf)

344
"That picture of Hillary on Drudge: Hillary greeting you to one of her "fun camps"

Posted by: Colin"

I thought it was Phyllis Diller

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 11:29 AM (493sH)

345 This long weekend I have decided to track down a series of movies on line. They were made as US propagana flicks to maintain morale back in WWII, and I think--myself included--it might help us again now, when the same forces are afoot in America itself.

Why We Fight.

Maybe we need to meditate on that.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, deplorably down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 07, 2016 11:29 AM (9krrF)

346 Ok, man, settle down. Do I get government subsidized dingle balls around my windshield too?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 07, 2016 11:25 AM (SeD0w)

Low riders and big dice for all!

I doubt we'll all get to have custom paint jobs of the Virgin of Guadalupe painted on the side though. The atheists would go nuts.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 11:29 AM (u0lmX)

347
They blasted and bulldozed the hill to build a Center for Transgender Studies.

Sounds like a Joni Mitchell song.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2016 11:30 AM (IqV8l)

348 It's only creeping up because they've run into a (temporary) inability to suppress reality.

*cough* hurricane *cough*

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 07, 2016 11:30 AM (SeD0w)

349 >> She needs to be guest of honor at a curb stomping.

What is a 'Helen Gym' and who on Earth gives a shit about her?

Posted by: JEM at October 07, 2016 11:30 AM (TppKb)

350 Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 07, 2016 10:04 AM (wtvvX)

My grandfather only started talking about his experiences (beyond a couple of funny stories) after turning 80. And he was in the motor pool, but on Io Shima, and never had to shoot anyone.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at October 07, 2016 11:31 AM (GDulk)

351 I got your dingleberrys.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 07, 2016 11:31 AM (hMqvx)

352 Re: "Chicano"
This term is used in academia - as in degrees/departments for Chicano Studies. That should shed some light on the troll's origins.

One example: http://www.chicano.ucla.edu/

Posted by: Lizzy at October 07, 2016 11:31 AM (NOIQH)

353 Ok, man, settle down. Do I get government subsidized dingle balls around my windshield too?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 07, 2016 11:25 AM (SeD0w)

I want a low rider

Tiny chain steering wheel so you can drive it while handcuffed.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:31 AM (Bd48Y)

354 They will do literally everything they can to try to kick the can down the road.Negative interest rates are next.
Posted by: Revenant

Yea, which I guess means you should go long on bonds or TIPS that right now pay nothing, because the US Central bank is going to follow the same play book as every other Central Bank and that means negative interest rates.

A savvy Trump campaign would make a bigger issue about QE and what it does to retirees and savers.

Posted by: Maritime at October 07, 2016 11:32 AM (hm8zK)

355 America is a concept, not just the plot of land between Mexico and Canada. If not enough people understand, respect, or believe in the concept of America, then it becomes just one more despotic state that we must defend ourselves against.

I don't think that's unpatriotic. Just realistic.

Posted by: Deplorably Rusty Nail at October 07, 2016 11:32 AM (S2VsH)

356 TAQUITA?

What's a taquita? Never heard of those before-

Posted by: T-Squared at October 07, 2016 11:32 AM (VkAIj)

357 must admit a grudging respect for the central banker's ability to keep kicking the can down the road. When 2008 hit I didn't think that they were going to be able to kick the can. When the Greece meltdown was happening in Europe, I figured that were all on financial borrowed time.Its amazing to me how we have been able to keep putting off a reckoning on our zombie economy. They will do literally everything they can to try to kick the can down the road.Negative interest rates are next.
Posted by: Revenant at October 07, 2016 11:28 AM (3DSAh)

well, they were hoping they could get one more kick of the can with negative interest rates but having seen how that worked in europe they have decided that is not going to work.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 07, 2016 11:32 AM (cPsPa)

358
The America of our childhood has gone nowhere. It's just covered with a layer of filth from the left.

Our bedrock remains.

That bedrock consists of this:

The Declaration of Independence--the WHY

The Bill of Rights--that which is inalienable for all

The Constitution--the blueprint.

Adherence to this bedrock has resulted in the most exceptional country on the planet, with the most exceptional people on the planet living in it.

In time we WILL cleanse that filth and again be that shining city on a hill.

Never forget that.

Posted by: irongrampa at October 07, 2016 11:32 AM (X35Yt)

359 308
But "The Country's All Gone to Shit" is not my religion.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 11:22 AM (H5rtT)
Has it gone to shit? Debatable.
But my point was thinking back to the memorable times of one's (mine) youth. Waxing nostalgic, if you will.Were there difficult times? Absolutely. But I'm sure many of us here can recall times in their youth that they wish their children/grandchildren could experience.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 07, 2016 11:32 AM (jxbfJ)

360 I doubt we'll all get to have custom paint jobs of the Virgin of Guadalupe painted on the side though. The atheists would go nuts.

Sandblast/glass etching on back window.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:33 AM (Bd48Y)

361 >>Srsly, she and Huma celebrated their "professional" anni. I wonder when they'll come out.

Whaaaat?????

Posted by: Lizzy at October 07, 2016 11:33 AM (NOIQH)

362 >> SOCCER WILL BE THE NEW AMERICAN PAST TIME.
>> TAQUITA STANDS WILL BE ON EVERY CORNER.

My daughter's friends are all in soccer and they're all more Asian (and whiter) than I am.

And my favorite taco truck is three minutes from my front door. Across the street from Bevmo, so dinner is three asada tacos and a Racer 5 IPA.

Posted by: JEM at October 07, 2016 11:33 AM (TppKb)

363 348
"That picture of Hillary on Drudge: Hillary greeting you to one of her "fun camps"

Posted by: Colin"

I thought it was Phyllis Diller
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 11:29 AM (493sH)

More like Syphilis Diller.

Posted by: josephistan at October 07, 2016 11:33 AM (7HtZB)

364 Low riders and big dice for all!

I doubt we'll all get to have custom paint jobs of the Virgin of Guadalupe painted on the side though. The atheists would go nuts.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 11:29 AM (u0lmX)

It will be Che Guevera instead, comrade

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 11:33 AM (493sH)

365 272
You just know at least one of the men in that picture has one of those horrible jobs a seventh grader could do.

Ewww.

Posted by: Chico Escuela-Fully Credentialled Intellectual Conservative at October 07, 2016 11:09 AM (usCMa)
Really? Because I don't see that. I see a guy who looks like a bus driver of some sort, I see two guys who look like they might be auto mechanics, and I see a Marine. I don't think any of those jobs could adequately be performed by your typical seventh-grader, let alone some barely-educated third world seventh-grader. Maybe the actual children in that picture have jobs, I don't know. I don't see anyone there in that picture who look like they might be performing jobs like this:
http://tinyurl.com/cusu9oc
You know, jobs that are so monotonous and tedious that they can literally be done by a barely-educated seventh grader, and for which the employer has to put up suicide nets in order to stop the workers from leaping to their deaths.

Are these the jobs that we should be fighting to keep in this country? Or maybe it's better *overall* that these horrible mind-numbing jobs get exported, while we develop our own economy with better jobs more suitable for a more highly educated workforce that the US has compared to places like Malaysia and Indonesia?

And before you all start jumping on me for "threadjacking", perhaps first complain to Commenter (usCMa) there for making his/her hit and run comment.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 11:33 AM (gXKl3)

366 Ok "thin veneer of civility", not MUMR.

Posted by: Yuimetal at October 07, 2016 11:34 AM (iFgwk)

367 The America of our childhood has gone nowhere. It's just covered with a layer of filth from the left.

Our bedrock remains.

That bedrock consists of this:

The Declaration of Independence--the WHY

The Bill of Rights--that which is inalienable for all

The Constitution--the blueprint.

Adherence to this bedrock has resulted in the most exceptional country on the planet, with the most exceptional people on the planet living in it.

In time we WILL cleanse that filth and again be that shining city on a hill.

Never forget that.
Posted by: irongrampa at October 07, 2016 11:32 AM (X35Yt)

Indeed!

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 07, 2016 11:34 AM (cPsPa)

368 Test

Posted by: Pepe, the Irredeemable at October 07, 2016 11:34 AM (0wm3C)

369 Talk about taking the bait.

Posted by: buzzion at October 07, 2016 11:35 AM (z/Ubi)

370 Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2016 11:35 AM (IqV8l)

371 In time we WILL cleanse that filth and again be that shining city on a hill.

Never forget that.

We'll need a metric fuck-ton of body bags then.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:35 AM (Bd48Y)

372 It's Friday; now, find your gal, and get to producing some more!

HUMA! WHERE IS THE G*D D^*@ED TURKEY BASTER??

Posted by: Hillary Rubbin-Clit on at October 07, 2016 11:35 AM (SeD0w)

373 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at October 07, 2016 11:35 AM (YRq0k)

374 And speaking of Marines, last week we lost a classic of the generation depicted in the painting.

Enlisted from a broken home at age 17 at MCRD/San Diego in November '41 (timing is everything), learning to shoot his Springfield at Camp Matthews on December 7. Went into aviation because he'd heard "faster promotions".

Volunteered (!!!) to go from the Hebrides to Guadalcanal as a replacement after the casualties from the "Night of the Battleships" - because his boot camp buddy was up there, in the squadron where Pappy Boyington was the XO. Got there in time to eat some of the captured Japanese rice, with worms in it.

Lived the life after WWII.

I used to quietly tell visiting Marines at the museum where we volunteered that he'd made master sgt. at age 20 - their eyes would open wide - and add that he was at Guadalcanal and Okinawa - and they'd get a bit more upright in their posture and a serious look as they thanked him (he'd glare at me with his fake annoyance at my telling his secrets).

He could have walked right out of this Rockwell painting.

Godspeed, Jim.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 07, 2016 11:35 AM (QDnY+)

375 TAQUITA?

What's a taquita? Never heard of those before-
Posted by: T-Squared at October 07, 2016 11:32 AM (VkAIj)

-----

Quick Trip's version of a skinny burrito.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 07, 2016 11:36 AM (8XRCm)

376 362 TAQUITA?

What's a taquita? Never heard of those before-
Posted by: T-Squared at October 07, 2016 11:32 AM (VkAIj)

That's the islamic concept that it's OK to lie to an infidel if it advances islam

Posted by: josephistan at October 07, 2016 11:36 AM (7HtZB)

377 Posted by: Lizzy at October 07, 2016 11:31 AM (NOIQH)

He's a long-time troll.

His comments last just long enough to read them and think, "Wow, this is a deluded, troubled asshat."

And then poof! They're gone!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 07, 2016 11:36 AM (Zu3d9)

378
Posted by: irongrampa at October 07, 2016 11:32 AM (X35Yt)

If I had a grampa he would look like you!

Posted by: T-Squared at October 07, 2016 11:37 AM (VkAIj)

379 In time we WILL cleanse that filth and again be that shining city on a hill.

Never forget that.
Posted by: irongrampa at October 07, 2016 11:32 AM (X35Yt)

--------------

Agreed.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 11:37 AM (gmeXX)

380 That's the islamic concept that it's OK to lie to an infidel if it advances islam

Posted by: josephistan at October 07, 2016 11:36 AM (7HtZB)

I thought that was menudo?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 07, 2016 11:37 AM (Zu3d9)

381 Note he is holding the old Japanese flag
Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 10:47 AM (QO4Sy)
----------------------------
That raises for me the question of what flag is that? It shows the rays separated from the meatball and I have never seen an actual Japanese Rising Sun flag like that elsewhere.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2016 11:37 AM (NUqwG)

382 Individual Americans are still worth defending. But is this government, in its current incarnation worth defending? No. Traitors and criminals never are.

Posted by: Yuimetal at October 07, 2016 11:38 AM (iFgwk)

383
Ba da da duh da da duh.
Ba da da duh da da da.
Ba da da duh da da duh.
Ba da da duh da da duh.

Ba da daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah du

Ba da daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah du

Da da da da da da da DUH!!!!!

TAQUITA!!

Posted by: fixerupper at October 07, 2016 11:38 AM (8XRCm)

384 Are these the jobs that we should be fighting to keep in this country? Or maybe it's better *overall* that these horrible mind-numbing jobs get exported, while we develop our own economy with better jobs more suitable for a more highly educated workforce that the US has compared to places like Malaysia and Indonesia?

-

I'd like you to explain how one exports repair jobs or service jobs. Send your air conditioner to China for repairs? Move all of the buses and restaurants to Mexico? BTW, I have spent quite a bit of time in Chinese and Malaysian factories, which is why I avoid their product.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 07, 2016 11:38 AM (7ZVPa)

385 Anyone else think MUMR & his identities are just Ace having a laugh & trolling his own site?

Posted by: josephistan at October 07, 2016 11:38 AM (7HtZB)

386 Godspeed, Jim.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 07, 2016 11:35 AM (QDnY+)
Semper Fi, Jim, keep the streets safe brother!

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 11:39 AM (7N6ox)

387 MY LITTLE CHAVA HAS DOS IN THE OVEN.

The oven is not good for the floppy disks, jefe.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 07, 2016 11:39 AM (+wjl1)

388
Oh, Banhammer! Where is thy sting?

Posted by: naturalfake at October 07, 2016 11:39 AM (0cMkb)

389 while we develop our own economy with better jobs more suitable for a more highly educated workforce

What do you do with that 1/4 of the workforce that always scores C's & D's in school? End them?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:40 AM (Bd48Y)

390 Sometimes ace and the cobs will rewrite the troll droppings before deleting them, probably for the entertainment value. The trick is to figure out which is untainted troll and which is the edited version -- not always an easy thing.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at October 07, 2016 11:40 AM (RD7QR)

391 Posted by: Lizzy at October 07, 2016 11:33 AM (NOIQH)

Here you go:
http://tinyurl.com/HillaryHuma20yr

Posted by: Hillary Rubbin-Clit on at October 07, 2016 11:40 AM (SeD0w)

392 Anyone else think MUMR & his identities are just Ace having a laugh & trolling his own site?

Don't make sport of the multiply-personalitied.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 07, 2016 11:40 AM (+wjl1)

393 Capra's Why We Fight was good because it laid out the facts.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 07, 2016 11:40 AM (bO/Kf)

394 Exactly why should I defend a State that enforces
gay marriage and persecutes people who don't? And that's on top of the
the state letting foreigners come into the country to kill and murder
it's citizens. It is clearly becoming an illegitimate organization.

The only allegiance the State holds on me now is the fact my kin live here.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 07, 2016 11:29 AM (IEEVS)
Eeeexxxcellllent! *in my most devious Monty Burns-esque voice*

Don't defend the state just because it is the American state. Defend *ideas*. The American government can and is wrong, often, when it comes to defending ideas that are important to be defended. It's not disloyal or unpatriotic to point out when the government fucks up.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 11:40 AM (gXKl3)

395 >>>ENGLISH WILL SOON BE THE SECOND LANGUAGE . MY LITTLE CHAVA HAS DOS IN THE OVEN.

???!?!?

Posted by: Bill Gates at October 07, 2016 11:40 AM (iFgwk)

396 What do you do with that 1/4 of the workforce that always scores C's & D's in school? End them?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:40 AM (Bd48Y)

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HR Departments need staffing too.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 07, 2016 11:40 AM (8XRCm)

397 Dos, like with a C: prompt?

Posted by: USNtakim at October 07, 2016 11:40 AM (hMqvx)

398 >> Enlisted from a broken home at age 17

Important to realize that prewar America wasn't necessarily a yellow brick road.

My mother's father spent a decade working in the Chicago stockyards, my father enlisted in late 1942 because the USAAF was better than anything else he had in front of him.

Posted by: JEM at October 07, 2016 11:41 AM (TppKb)

399 This Rockwell guy is okay.

But he's no Larry Elmore, that's for sure.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at October 07, 2016 11:41 AM (1zARK)

400 What do you do with that 1/4 of the workforce that always scores C's D's in school? End them?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:40 AM (Bd48Y)
The 1/4th of the workforce that earns C's and D's in the US are STILL more highly educated than your typical third world seventh grader.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 11:41 AM (gXKl3)

401 They blasted and bulldozed the hill to build a
Center for Transgender Studies.

Meanwhile, in other news...Russia (as read on Drudge) has 1,796 deployable warheads, exceeding the cap of 1,550 by 246 weapons. This is the cap agreed to in the 2011 New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty. The US is well below that number. While we delete weapons, they are adding.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 07, 2016 11:41 AM (0tfLf)

402 395 MY LITTLE CHAVA HAS DOS IN THE OVEN.

The oven is not good for the floppy disks, jefe.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 07, 2016 11:39 AM (+wjl1)

C:/DOS
C:/DOS/RUN
RUN/DOS/RUN

Posted by: josephistan at October 07, 2016 11:41 AM (7HtZB)

403 I'm conflicted on patriotism, the America I grew up in was absolutely a country worth loving, even when Democrats basically ran the show, so it's not a matter of D or R being how I feel about the country.

I will say though I think conservatives (me included) sometimes look at a 48/52 Election and think America is irredeemable, when the truth is, a better candidate could have knocked Obama off. And WIDE swaths of this country have rejected his agenda.

I can't let Obama winning a narrow election define this country.

Posted by: Maritime at October 07, 2016 11:42 AM (hm8zK)

404 What do you do with that 1/4 of the workforce that always scores C's & D's in school? End them?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:40 AM (Bd48Y)
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With competitive, free-market schools all students will make A's.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2016 11:42 AM (NUqwG)

405 HR Departments need staffing too.
Posted by: fixerupper at October 07, 2016 11:40 AM (8XRCm)

oh what fresh hell is this? shoving more unqualified people into makemisery jobs?

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 07, 2016 11:42 AM (cPsPa)

406 Just a few decades from this to Rambo. Thanks, Jane Fonda.

Posted by: Yuimetal at October 07, 2016 11:43 AM (iFgwk)

407
while we develop our own economy with better jobs more suitable for a more highly educated workforce

College graduates driving each other around in Uber cars to the Airbnb.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2016 11:43 AM (IqV8l)

408 Barack Obama said the Japanese lashed out because they needed more jobs and education, but mostly because they were mentally ill.

Posted by: Fritz at October 07, 2016 11:43 AM (2Mnv1)

409 Mumr needs to go back to clown school.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 07, 2016 11:43 AM (bO/Kf)

410 Jeez, I thought I got banned. I had to reset my phone 3 times to make it work.

This site keeps me sane, happy, and somewhat sociable since I have Intractable Pain problems. and a high conflict rx wife problem

Thanks for not banning me.

Posted by: Pepe, the Irredeemable at October 07, 2016 11:43 AM (0wm3C)

411 oh what fresh hell is this? shoving more unqualified people into makemisery jobs?
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 07, 2016 11:42 AM (cPsPa)

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Point of Order if I may.

All HR departments exists to make misery.

All HR staffers are unqualified.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 07, 2016 11:43 AM (8XRCm)

412 But can Rockwell knit a vagina sweater?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 07, 2016 11:43 AM (+wjl1)

413 397
while we develop our own economy with better jobs more suitable for a more highly educated workforce

What do you do with that 1/4 of the workforce that always scores C's D's in school? End them?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:40 AM (Bd48Y)

Soylent Green

Posted by: Agent Cooper at October 07, 2016 11:43 AM (1zARK)

414 Meanwhile, in other news...Russia (as read on Drudge) has 1,796 deployable warheads, exceeding the cap of 1,550 by 246 weapons. This is the cap agreed to in the 2011 New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty. The US is well below that number. While we delete weapons, they are adding.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 07, 2016 11:41 AM (0tfLf)

But we're sooooo much more respected around the world because of the queen in the White House

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 11:44 AM (493sH)

415 Are these the jobs that we should be fighting to keep in this country? Or maybe it's better *overall* that these horrible mind-numbing jobs get exported, while we develop our own economy with better jobs more suitable for a more highly educated workforce that the US has compared to places like Malaysia and Indonesia?

Posted by: chemjeff

Tell us more about your plan for every worker, comrade.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2016 11:44 AM (V3IFq)

416 RioBravo, lol.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 07, 2016 11:44 AM (bO/Kf)

417 ...and add that he was at Guadalcanal and Okinawa - and
they'd get a bit more upright in their posture and a serious look as
they thanked him (he'd glare at me with his fake annoyance at my telling
his secrets).

Posted by: rhomboid at October 07, 2016 11:35 AM (QDnY+)

I wonder if the same thing happens with guys that were at Hue City or if it will one day be so for guys that were at Fallujah. Hopefully so.

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 07, 2016 11:44 AM (GUBah)

418 So,
I read an actual email exch. between Huma/Hillary:

Huma: "Do you want me to come up and give you a 'download' or wait til morning?"
Hillary: "I'm up now, just knock if the bedroom door is closed..."

Really. What the hell does THAT mean?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 07, 2016 11:44 AM (SeD0w)

419 I'd like you to explain how one exports repair
jobs or service jobs. Send your air conditioner to China for repairs?
Move all of the buses and restaurants to Mexico? BTW, I have spent
quite a bit of time in Chinese and Malaysian factories, which is why
I avoid their product.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 07, 2016 11:38 AM (7ZVPa)
You typically don't export service jobs. (Although McDonald's tried to export drive-thru ordering jobs, IIRC. Not sure how that turned out.) I am talking about jobs like those mentioned in the article that I cited, mindlessly assembling iPhone cases and the like.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 11:45 AM (gXKl3)

420 377 In time we WILL cleanse that filth and again be that shining city on a hill.

No thanks.

That version of Utopia appeals to me no more than the version the current powers that be are chasing after now.

I'll settle for minimal govt and a simple and understandable rule of law.

That seems to be entirely too much to ask for.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 07, 2016 11:45 AM (atQ0F)

421 What do you do with that 1/4 of the workforce that always scores C's & D's in school? End them?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:40 AM (Bd48Y)

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They will be exiled to the wrong side of the tracks.

Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2016 11:45 AM (Fmupd)

422 Point of Order if I may.

All HR departments exists to make misery.

All HR staffers are unqualified.
Posted by: fixerupper at October 07, 2016 11:43 AM (8XRCm)

which is why I was curious about the move to shove more people into them.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 07, 2016 11:45 AM (cPsPa)

423 RESPECT!
Wasn't there a song about that?
Imagine Clinton doing that at an inaugural ball.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 07, 2016 11:45 AM (0tfLf)

424 The 1/4th of the workforce that earns C's and D's in the US are STILL more highly educated than your typical third world seventh grader.

But you said "our highly educated workforce".
We will never have a 100% highly educated workforce.
So what do we do with those that don't make the cut?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:45 AM (Bd48Y)

425 Love this art work... Makes me sad for those days...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 07, 2016 11:46 AM (O2RFr)

426 >> YOU JUST PAID FOR MY NEW NECK TAT EL
>> TONTO'S.

Gracioso, heh heh.

Posted by: JEM at October 07, 2016 11:46 AM (TppKb)

427 I wonder if the same thing happens with guys that were at Hue City or if it will one day be so for guys that were at Fallujah. Hopefully so.
Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 07, 2016 11:44 AM (GUBah)

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Maybe..... if they can stay out of jail and get over their PTSD.

Posted by: The Modern Media and What Theyd Have Youe Believe About Our Soldiers at October 07, 2016 11:46 AM (8XRCm)

428 I am talking about jobs like those mentioned in the article that I cited, mindlessly assembling iPhone cases and the like.

Posted by: chemjeff

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And the rest of us are talking about the occupations represented in the picture that this post is about.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 07, 2016 11:46 AM (7ZVPa)

429 ENGLISH WILL SOON BE THE SECOND LANGUAGE . MY LITTLE CHAVA HAS DOS IN THE OVEN.

Posted by: JOSE THE ILLEGAL at October 07, 2016 11:37 AM (XzRw1)

DOS? I found an old CD ROM copy of Castle Wolfenstein while moving boxes around recently. The Windows 10 compatibility feature wouldn't work so I downloaded this really nifty utility called DOSBOX onto my machine. Wolfenstein plays like a champ now. Strongly recommended. I think I'm doing QUAKE next, some of that old-school awesomeness.

Posted by: troyriser at October 07, 2016 11:47 AM (OGbEB)

430 What do you do with that 1/4 of the workforce that always scores C's D's in school? End them?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:40 AM (Bd48Y)

Soylent Green
Posted by: Agent Cooper at October 07, 2016 11:43 AM (1zARK)

Yeah. I'm getting that "Master Planned - El Jefe" vibe.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:47 AM (Bd48Y)

431 Are these the jobs that we should be fighting to keep in this country? Or maybe it's better *overall* that these horrible mind-numbing jobs get exported, while we develop our own economy with better jobs more suitable for a more highly educated workforce that the US has compared to places like Malaysia and Indonesia?

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 11:33 AM (gXKl3)

One of those guys might be an assembly line worker. Do you think most American jobs are not "mind-numbing?" Or do you think everyone is out there following their bliss? We should have only happy fun jobs and let the brown people abroad do the shit work?

My parents would have been stunned at the idea that "there are jobs Americans won't do." My dad told me that cleaning toilets all day was more honorable than being on welfare. Now people don't think so because they have been told by people like you that "mindless" work is degrading and below them - but it's OK, apparently, for non-white people in foreign countries.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 11:47 AM (u0lmX)

432 Or maybe it's better *overall* that these horrible mind-numbing jobs get exported, while we develop our own economy with better jobs more suitable for a more highly educated workforce that the US has compared to places like Malaysia and Indonesia?

America, where all workers are above average.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 07, 2016 11:47 AM (+wjl1)

433 Really. What the hell does THAT mean?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 07, 2016 11:44 AM (SeD0w)

Whatever you do, do not do a search for 'download'.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hillbot 3.0 Control Override Kits at the Outrage Outlet! at October 07, 2016 11:47 AM (hLRSq)

434 ya know who that picture oe hilary looks like?

will ferrel as harry caray.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 07, 2016 11:47 AM (WTSFk)

435 "The America of our childhood has gone nowhere. It's just covered with a layer of filth from the left.

Our bedrock remains."

As Tolkien wrote:

All that is old does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 07, 2016 11:48 AM (gKzKZ)

436 I read an actual email exch. between Huma/Hillary:

Huma: "Do you want me to come up and give you a 'download' or wait til morning?"

Hillary: "I'm up now, just knock if the bedroom door is closed..."

Really. What the hell does THAT mean?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 07, 2016 11:44 AM (SeD0w)

Download, nudge nudge wink wink

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 11:48 AM (493sH)

437 But you said "our highly educated workforce".
We will never have a 100% highly educated workforce.
So what do we do with those that don't make the cut?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:45 AM (Bd48Y)

The meat processing plant.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 07, 2016 11:48 AM (0mRoj)

438 Dosbox is awesome. The problem I have now is getting Windows 3.1 games like Darkseed 2 to run.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 07, 2016 11:48 AM (bO/Kf)

439 RioBravo, good catch on the flag, noticed it too. And also have never seen it.

Was kind of shocked a few years back, when touring a "kaigun ji-etai" (naval self-defense force) frigate in Kure, to see the Rising Sun flags on all the ships. Japan underwent an amazing transformation after WWII, of course, but didn't have to change flags. Interesting.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 07, 2016 11:48 AM (QDnY+)

440 well, instead of exporting horrible mind numbing jobs, how about we automate them and keep producing stuff here? let other people figure out how to enjoy funemployment.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 07, 2016 11:49 AM (cPsPa)

441 I remember this sci-fi short. It's set in the future and two parent are talking about some testing their 10 year old has to take. The mother is worried but the father is reassuring her it will be fine.
So after the kid goes off and takes the test the parents are at home awaiting the results and for the return of the child.
Their monitor comes to life and starts giving results. The child is scoring very well on the tests.
The father sits silently while the mother becomes more and more upset.
Finally, after giving all of the results the voice on the monitor pauses and then asks, "would you prefer an open, or closed casket at the funeral?"

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at October 07, 2016 11:49 AM (0x/TW)

442 The meat processing plant.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 07, 2016 11:48 AM (0mRoj)

solyent green?

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 07, 2016 11:49 AM (cPsPa)

443 You know why the morons rate you as a troll these days, chemjeff? Comments like the ones you just posted are why.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 07, 2016 11:49 AM (bO/Kf)

444 while we develop our own economy with better jobs more suitable for a more highly educated workforce
-----------------------------
Automated machines will make machines to automatically machine parts for all products in automated factories. They will be shipped via driverless vehicles to warehouses (where automated material handling equipment deals with them) for later shipment to homes via driverless vehicles or pilotless drones. Optionally the goods can be shipped to retail stores (to be automatically shelved) for pickup by customers with an old-fashioned need to see/touch products with automated checkout. Payment will be made from account linked to the microchip embedded in each retail customer's ass or by scanning the optional self-stick RFID tag.

The controlling software for all the automated devices will be written automatically by AI software.

Food will be harvested by automated equipment and transported via driverless vehicles...

Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2016 11:50 AM (NUqwG)

445 horrible mind-numbing jobs get exported, while we develop our own economy with better jobs more suitable for a more highly educated workforce that the US has compared to places like Malaysia and Indonesia?

Careful with the " highly" educated... Talked to any current College Students recently?

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 07, 2016 11:50 AM (O2RFr)

446 btw: i think the truism is actually true. most of the vets returning from ww II never spoke of their experiences.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 07, 2016 11:50 AM (WTSFk)

447 My new FORD UPHOLSTERY will be able to make single posts, though.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 11:50 AM (H5rtT)

448 424 Meanwhile, in other news...Russia (as read on Drudge) has 1,796 deployable warheads, exceeding the cap of 1,550 by 246 weapons. This is the cap agreed to in the 2011 New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty. The US is well below that number. While we delete weapons, they are adding.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 07, 2016 11:41 AM (0tfLf)

That is unfortunate; however, we must keep focused on the really important matters facing this country: Does Donald Trump hate fat women? And what about his tax returns?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 11:50 AM (u0lmX)

449 417

while we develop our own economy with better jobs more suitable for a more highly educated workforce

College graduates driving each other around in Uber cars to the Airbnb.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2016 11:43 AM (IqV8l)
No that is NOT what I'm saying. Geez.
When I say 'more highly educated', I am NOT talking about necessarily getting a college degree. I'm talking mainly about simply finishing highschool in the US. That alone is miles beyond what most third world places do. HS graduates in the US can (at least in theory) read and write, do basic math, and have some critical reasoning skills. Why should we as a country fight to keep jobs here, for which it isn't even necessary to read and write, let alone engage in any sort of critical thinking? Think of it this way: why spend all the money educating citizens to finish highschool if most of what they learn in HS isn't even needed in the jobs that they will have? If we're going to spend the money to educate every citizen to a highschool level - and we should, IMO - then we should have jobs that utilize the skills and talents that they learn in highschool.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 11:50 AM (gXKl3)

450 I was a middle of the road C and D student. I completed a a rigorous and challenging, highly technical course of study in the Navy (DS "A" school), without failing a single test. Basically A BA in 32 weeks. Focus does wonders for ones academic achievement.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 07, 2016 11:50 AM (hMqvx)

451 (XzRw1)

How come this one doesn't get deleted anymore?

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 07, 2016 11:51 AM (O2RFr)

452 "You typically don't export service jobs."

No you import illegal aliens for them. Like voting. That is onerous. No citizen wants to do it.

Posted by: Not so fast at October 07, 2016 11:51 AM (K8FS4)

453 Given the era the painting represents, there is a pretty good chance that at least one of the older guys never made it past 7th or 8th grade before he had to quit school and get a job to help support the family.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at October 07, 2016 11:51 AM (x3uSY)

454 >> Or maybe it's better *overall* that these horrible
>> mind-numbing jobs get exported,

No, what's better overall is that some number of the brighter individuals involved in these 'horrible, mind-numbing jobs' accede to positions where they can improve the working conditions involved.

For what it matters, I've had some 'horrible, mind-numbing' jobs in software development.

Posted by: JEM at October 07, 2016 11:52 AM (TppKb)

455 Vivisection and protein extraction for all Ds. It's the logical choice.

Posted by: Dr. Kreipychlawn at October 07, 2016 11:52 AM (Ha9W6)

456 Or maybe it's better *overall* that these horrible mind-numbing jobs get exported, while we develop our own economy with better jobs more suitable for a more highly educated workforce that the US has compared to places like Malaysia and Indonesia?

Highly educated? The Womyn Studies, Transqueer Studies majors who don't even know how many states are in the union? They're lucky if they have the brainpower to push a broom

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 11:52 AM (493sH)

457 Automated machines will make machines to automatically machine parts for all products in automated factories.--RioBravo

But, are any of those MACHINES FOR SALE?
Because for a second there that looked like where you were going with that, and I was all Oboy Oboy.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 11:52 AM (H5rtT)

458 I remember this sci-fi short.

Examination Day. I think Twilight Zone made an episode of it.

Posted by: no good deed at October 07, 2016 11:53 AM (/O5Ax)

459 >>Here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/HillaryHuma20yr

OMG - so much wrong with that story. I'm sure they've selected the quotes and sample email to gives a certain (probably not incorrect) impressions of the Huma/Hillary relationship.

However, Huma on a podcast saying she wants to "stay in the shadows" and that she "helps keep the trains run on time" without irony is amazing.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 07, 2016 11:53 AM (NOIQH)

460 >> That is unfortunate; however, we must keep
>> focused on the really important matters facing this
>> country: Does Donald Trump hate fat women? And
>> what about his tax returns?

You forgot the transpotties.

Posted by: JEM at October 07, 2016 11:53 AM (TppKb)

461 When winter comes and there is no place to use an EBT card then the flow will reverse. Coming soon to sanctuary cities everywhere.

Posted by: Not so fast at October 07, 2016 11:53 AM (K8FS4)

462 Optionally the goods can be shipped to retail stores (to be automatically shelved) for pickup by customers with an old-fashioned need to see/touch products with automated checkout. Payment will be made from account linked to the microchip embedded in each retail customer's ass or by scanning the optional self-stick RFID tag.

The controlling software for all the automated devices will be written automatically by AI software.

Food will be harvested by automated equipment and transported via driverless vehicles...

Posted by: RioBravo

--

I know that is tongue in cheek, but in this utopia, who has a job, so that they can pay for the goods?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 07, 2016 11:53 AM (7ZVPa)

463 I understand that the past depicted in this painting isn't truly illustrative of absolutely everybody's reality at that time. Yet, why do we have to even note that? Is any painting, picture, story, etc. ever truly illustrative of everything that makes up the "reality of that time"? Why even focus on that? I personally had a dysfunctional childhood, but just because that was "my reality" doesn't mean that the reality of someone else who lived a reality closer to this painting is any less authentic. In fact I think I love this painting because it doesn't depict my personal reality. Rather it reminds me that we are capable of creating our own reality and that good things are possible. The sense of community and friendship depicted in this painting are not only uplifting as you look at it, but also makes you want to be a person who can create that reality. It is truly a one of the best I have ever seen.

Posted by: lightning at October 07, 2016 11:53 AM (pwONV)

464 DOS WEEKS LA PUTA

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Ok...

That was funny,

Posted by: fixerupper at October 07, 2016 11:53 AM (8XRCm)

465 horrible mind-numbing jobs

See, this is why the Left is so deranged. What he meant to type was: "Everyone's FIRST job."

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 07, 2016 11:53 AM (SeD0w)

466 383 Posted by: Lizzy at October 07, 2016 11:31 AM (NOIQH)

He's a long-time troll.

His comments last just long enough to read them and think, "Wow, this is a deluded, troubled asshat."

And then poof! They're gone!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 07, 2016 11:36 AM (Zu3d9)

Then you better check on the TB3K status. Cause his psycho drivel isn't going poof.

Posted by: buzzion at October 07, 2016 11:53 AM (z/Ubi)

467 while we develop our own economy with better jobs more suitable for a more highly educated workforce

What do you do with that 1/4 of the workforce that always scores C's & D's in school? End them?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:40 AM (Bd48Y)

Well, that's the issue isn't it?

Are we the United States of the Libertarian Free Market Open Borders-

or are we the United States of America?

Are we all just dispensable cogs until somebody cheaper across seas can be found or are we all Americans?

Frankly, a lot, hell, most of our problems come from all the leftist chokepoints in our economy and the lousy lousy lousy use of public funds.

Instead of welfare, which costs me a buttload of cash, I would rather see the smart use of public policy to encourage American jobs.

for instance,

the huge, Manhattan project style building of nuclear power plants in every state

fracking and off-shore drilling

ie, cheap energy to lower costs of everything

the minimization of all gov't regs for business

a trade policy that either truly reflects free trade or engages in the same tariffs/taxes placed on American products

end of Obamacare, replacement by strict market system

I know TL/DR so I'll stop but there are a ton of things that could be done to encourage jobs at home for those who can't add or subtract or divide particularly well but are good Americans and good people,

the simple fact is that for national security alone we don't want all of our heavy industry overseas nor our electronics.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 07, 2016 11:53 AM (0cMkb)

468 Careful with the " highly" educated... Talked to any current College Students recently?

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 07, 2016 11:50 AM (O2RFr)

Ha. Yeah, I think a lot of them would have trouble cleaning a bathroom. "Mommy never made me clean the bathroom at home. It's too icky!" Working on an assembly line? "Hey, stop the line, I need to answer a tweet!"

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 11:53 AM (u0lmX)

469
I remember this sci-fi short. It's set in the future and two parent are talking about some testing their 10 year old has to take. The mother is worried but the father is reassuring her it will be fine.

Examination Day

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Examination_Day

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2016 11:53 AM (IqV8l)

470 You know why the morons rate you as a troll these days, chemjeff? Comments like the ones you just posted are why.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo

No, man. He's got plans.

Super smart plans.

Plans for days.

He knows what the US population should look like. He thinks a lot about demographics and people. And which ones need to die off.

You might say Jeff's got a Master Plan for us all.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2016 11:53 AM (V3IFq)

471 Careful with the " highly" educated... Talked to any current College Students recently?
Posted by: deplorable donna at October 07, 2016 11:50 AM (O2RFr

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Heh. ZING!

Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2016 11:54 AM (Fmupd)

472 You know what? I'll just take all the jobs. Jobs, jobs, jobs. If it means somebody is doing mind numbing work instead of playing the Xbox while on welfare, so be it. If it means I pay 10% more at the store, so be it. I'd rather have someone employed even if its something some people find objectionable, rather than someone sitting on their ass all day living off the labor of others.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 07, 2016 11:55 AM (IEEVS)

473 while we develop our own economy with better jobs.....

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Ummm..... the Free Market does that, Mr Conservative.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 07, 2016 11:55 AM (8XRCm)

474 >>>Why should we as a country fight to keep jobs here, for which it isn't
even necessary to read and write, let alone engage in any sort of
critical thinking?<<<

Because any job is better than no job.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at October 07, 2016 11:56 AM (x3uSY)

475 so in the scifi short did the guy score too high or too low?

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 07, 2016 11:56 AM (cPsPa)

476 "You typically don't export service jobs."

No you import illegal aliens for them. Like voting. That is onerous. No citizen wants to do it.

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There is a place for more service jobs in this country - nannies, caretakers, etc.

More and more people are hiring individuals to care for their kids - either because they are in 2 career households, or simply because they can afford it.

Its not going to provide the backbone of an economy, but it is a growing area of the economy and a luxury that is more affordable to more households now than ever.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 11:56 AM (gmeXX)

477 I'm talking mainly about simply finishing highschool in the US. That alone is miles beyond what most third world places do.

Yeah. AND THAT IS NOT highly educated for the US.
No brain surgeons in there. So what jobs do these mythical highly educated people do since the mind numbing work is shipped offshore?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 11:56 AM (Bd48Y)

478 What I really miss is the fun and enjoyment of various ethnicities -- joking on your own background. Ten years ago, the church down the street had a 'Mexican' wedding. After the ceremony, the bride and groom were processed out by a live mariachi band (very good BTW), and the groom put on a sombrero, got on his horse, and lifted his bride up and rode away. It was AWESOME! Can't do that now with the nasty scolds.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 07, 2016 11:57 AM (MIKMs)

479
so in the scifi short did the guy score too high or too low?
Posted by: yankeefifth

Too high

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2016 11:57 AM (IqV8l)

480 Why should we as a country fight to keep jobs here, for which it isn't
even necessary to read and write, let alone engage in any sort of
critical thinking?

Because our publik skoolz produce plenty of that labor segment.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 07, 2016 11:57 AM (+wjl1)

481 That scifi short sounds like it owes a lot to Harrison Bergeron.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 07, 2016 11:58 AM (+wjl1)

482 Tell us more about your plan for every worker, comrade.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2016 11:44 AM (V3IFq)
I don't have "a plan for every worker". What are you even talking about? People should pursue whatever jobs or careers that they wish.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 11:58 AM (gXKl3)

483
Polls:

Hillary Clinton family's chocolate chip oatmeal cookies bested the recipe for star-shaped goodies submitted by Republican Donald Trump's wife, Melania, for Family Circle magazine's long-running presidential cookie poll.

Clinton's cookies took the top spot in an overwhelming victory announced Friday. The chocolate chip-filled treats snagged more than 1,600 votes on Facebook, while Trump's starry sugar cookie snacks received just 535 votes.

Gary Johnson's pot brownies came in third....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 07, 2016 11:58 AM (kdS6q)

484 so in the scifi short did the guy score too high or too low?

Too high, so they killed him. Before he took the test they gave him a "truth serum" so he couldn't cheat.

Posted by: no good deed at October 07, 2016 11:58 AM (/O5Ax)

485 Boulder terlit hobo, There is absolutely nothing trollish that I have written in this thread. None. Unless you want to condemn every opinion that runs contrary to modern-day neo-protectionism as "trollish", as opposed to an honest disagreement.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 11:59 AM (gXKl3)

486 >>Given the era the painting represents, there is a pretty good chance
that at least one of the older guys never made it past 7th or 8th grade
before he had to quit school and get a job to help support the family.

Reminds me of a friends grandfather: one of 16 children, dropped out of school in 3rd grade to work odd jobs w/his siblings to support the family during Depression. Worked in the engine room of the Intrepid in WWII or Korean war (also other ships during both wars). Started his own machine shop, made enough money to buy himself a nice house (and then later built his own house on the Cape) and then later, bought each of his three kids a house as well. Tough old b@stard, pure American who made a lot of the life he started with.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 07, 2016 11:59 AM (NOIQH)

487
Hillary Clinton family's chocolate chip oatmeal cookies

That bitch hasn't cracked an egg in her entire privileged life.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 07, 2016 11:59 AM (+wjl1)

488 You know what? I'll just take all the jobs. Jobs, jobs, jobs. If it means somebody is doing mind numbing work instead of playing the Xbox while on welfare, so be it.

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THIS. Plus, I am happy to pay more for product not made with Chinese steel, when I can find it, which is irritating.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 07, 2016 12:00 PM (7ZVPa)

489
Yeah. AND THAT IS NOT highly educated for the US.

By a *global standard*, finishing highschool IS 'highly educated'. That is what I am referring to. Get it?

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:00 PM (gXKl3)

490 Again, I must be deranged.

Because I am LMAO at "JOSE THE ILLEGAL".

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 07, 2016 12:00 PM (zu88C)

491 Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 11:50 AM (gXKl3)

Which is why at the same time the Dept. of Education is shutting down technical training in the US by going after acredidation.... (like ITT Tech)

The US State Dept. is spending more than 100 million per year to start Tech schools overseas... so they can import more tech workers.

Which is why the State of CA just outsourced the IT dept for all Univ. of CA.... so while you can get an IT degree from them, you will no longer be able to work there...

Posted by: Don Quixote at October 07, 2016 12:00 PM (qf6WZ)

492 Funny you should say that, Mr. Peebles. I read both in a sci-fi unit in junior high reading class. They made an impression.

Posted by: no good deed at October 07, 2016 12:01 PM (/O5Ax)

493 Ummm..... the Free Market does that, Mr Conservative.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 07, 2016 11:55 AM (8XRCm)
Yup. I'm all for unshackling the free market and letting capital and goods and services flow freely.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:01 PM (gXKl3)

494 Cultural appropriation is as big of a pile of steaming BS as ever has been... Tequila and sombreros for all. Fuck the ninny scolds who are offended by my whiteness. Fuck them each and every one.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 07, 2016 12:01 PM (hMqvx)

495 If you can't laugh, they win!

They hate your ridicule more than anything.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 07, 2016 12:01 PM (zu88C)

496 I know that is tongue in cheek, but in this utopia, who has a job, so that they can pay for the goods?
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 07, 2016 11:53 AM (7ZVPa)
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Which is indeed the question that higher worker productivity would seem to lead to. Theoretically new products never dreamed of could be created that would still require labor.

Perhaps the gains on capital would have to be taxed at a high level in order to be redistributed to the masses so they can spend it. Perhaps the current welfare state should be a proving ground for analysis and efficiency studies prior to such time the utopian, redistributive state appears. An evolutionary development - survival of the fittest redistribution scheme.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2016 12:01 PM (NUqwG)

497 Plus, I am happy to pay more for product not made with Chinese steel, when I can find it, which is irritating.

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There are few products that do not have an American made equivalent for those who want American made. And many times - not always - those products are "better" made. But that doesn't mean they are better for all consumers.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:02 PM (gmeXX)

498 You might say Jeff's got a Master Plan for us all.

It ain't just Jeff. It's most people. It's most people here.

I've said it before ... I'll say it again. I'll jump in with both feet when the Secession ball starts rolling.

But it won't be long before the need to seceed from them occurs too.

People can't leave people alone.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 07, 2016 12:02 PM (atQ0F)

499 Thanks for the answer BC and NGD

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 07, 2016 12:03 PM (cPsPa)

500 By a *global standard*, finishing highschool IS 'highly educated'. That is what I am referring to. Get it?

Posted by: chemjeff

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You haven't spent much time in Asia, apparently. That, or you are including sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East in your education metric, and considering nobody buys product from those areas outside of raw materials, they don't count.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 07, 2016 12:03 PM (7ZVPa)

501 HS graduates in the US can (at least in theory) read and write, do basic math, and have some critical reasoning skills. "

Critcal reasoning skills? An Ivy League school rewarded a student for dragging a friggin' mattress around for years and persecuted the guy who supposedly raped her although the evidence was flimsy.

There's your "critical thinking skills" as exemplified at an elite school. Other schools are so in love with critical thinking they won't even let Milo Y. set foot on their campuses.

The administrators and faculty of most colleges don't have critical thinking skills and we're supposed to believe their students do?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 12:03 PM (u0lmX)

502 Great news!!

My elderly mother up here in Canada finally received an appointment to a specialist another doctor referred her to. The guy is supposed to be one of the best in the country.

Wow! What's the trade-off you may wonder. The appointment is next month after a 25 month wait....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 07, 2016 12:03 PM (n7ncP)

503 To be clear, I am not suggesting that the government *require* that companies outsource low-skill, low-talent jobs. I am simply saying that if a company wants to outsource those types of jobs, the government shouldn't be standing in the way.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:03 PM (gXKl3)

504 Chen Jeff

We have generations who have never experienced work

That is destructive to the soul. There is honor in ALL work

Didnt anybody ever teach you that?

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:03 PM (3NZpj)

505 Yup. I'm all for unshackling the free market and letting capital and goods and services flow freely.

Posted by: chemjeff

That's a lie.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2016 12:04 PM (V3IFq)

506 Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 11:56 AM (gmeXX)

Problem is that those jobs don't actually create any wealth... they don't make anything... they don't add value to something.

So, while its something we do need to do... it does not really help create wealth.

Posted by: Don Quixote at October 07, 2016 12:04 PM (qf6WZ)

507
507 Funny you should say that, Mr. Peebles. I read both in a sci-fi unit in junior high reading class. They made an impression.
Posted by: no good deed at October 07, 2016 12:01 PM (/O5Ax)

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A sci-fi unit? Must be like "new math".

Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2016 12:04 PM (Fmupd)

508 I have never seen this Rockwell before, it's beautiful! His illustrative skill plus ability to craft a narrative is unparallelled. Glad he is finally getting the respect he deserves as an illustrator after so many years of the hoi polloi snidely dissing his paintings as "not true art."

Also glad the SJW attempt to claim him as a gay (because they try to claim everyone) died a swift death after his family strongly objected.

Posted by: LizLem at October 07, 2016 12:04 PM (hvf9s)

509 You might say Jeff's got a Master Plan for us all.

It ain't just Jeff. It's most people. It's most people here.

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The first statement is wildly untrue. I doubt the 2nd statement is either, but there are a lot of protectionists on this site these days, so maybe so.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:04 PM (gmeXX)

510 502
Hillary Clinton family's chocolate chip oatmeal cookies

That bitch hasn't cracked an egg in her entire privileged life.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 07, 2016 11:59 AM (+wjl1)

Except for when she conceived her hell spawn Chelsea.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 12:04 PM (u0lmX)

511 People can't leave people alone.

Posted by: ScoggDog

Hey Dogg,

I have wondered about this. Is it a function of numbers?

Like, could the libertarian, self-reliant, free market America only survive without socialism and big government up to X population?

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 07, 2016 12:05 PM (zu88C)

512 The administrators and faculty of most colleges don't have critical thinking skills and we're supposed to believe their students do?
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 12:03 PM (u0lmX)

*snorts*

Posted by: buzzion at October 07, 2016 12:05 PM (z/Ubi)

513 Gung HO!

Posted by: an Ol ex Jarhead at October 07, 2016 12:05 PM (YlCMT)

514
That's a lie.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2016 12:04 PM (V3IFq)
Really? How is it a lie, specifically?

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:05 PM (gXKl3)

515 Since you guys are on a Rockwell kick there's another WWII homecoming one he did that I like a lot. It's from behind the soldier looking at his building and everyone has turned out to greet him and is very excited. Mom is on the terrace and the rest of his family are here and there, but just peeking around the corner is his girl which implies a secret rendezvous with her later.

Posted by: 68W58 at October 07, 2016 12:05 PM (pBSGg)

516 And men....real men....go figure.

Morning horde.. Wish you all a blessed Friday.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'jonesing for hobo jerkey' at October 07, 2016 12:05 PM (B+MYz)

517 Just think . . . the kids would probably be 80 years old now.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 07, 2016 09:55 AM (gO/zg)

That same thought went through my mind. Those kids are now certified "old farts", because I am, and I'm at least six years younger than the little tyke.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 07, 2016 12:05 PM (3nqz0)

518 People can't leave people alone.
Posted by: ScoggDog at October 07, 2016 12:02 PM (atQ0F)

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You know what we need in this country???

Some sort of document where we all agree to some binding principals that protect people from the very people that want to rule over people.

It doesnt have to be overly complicated, just lays out some hard fast rules where the busy bees cant fuck with the normal people.

Doesnt have to be alot of rules either.... maybe just 10 for starters.

Thats what we need.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 07, 2016 12:06 PM (8XRCm)

519 Wow! What's the trade-off you may wonder. The appointment is next month after a 25 month wait....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 07, 2016 12:03 PM (n7ncP)

Yay! We're going to get that system here!

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 12:06 PM (u0lmX)

520
Given the era the painting represents, there is a pretty good chance that at least one of the older guys never made it past 7th or 8th grade before he had to quit school and get a job to help support the family.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at October 07, 2016 11:51 AM (x3uSY)

So he had the equivalent of todays high school education

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 07, 2016 12:06 PM (lKyWE)

521 That bitch hasn't cracked an egg in her entire privileged life.

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Only when she had to make people-omelettes.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 07, 2016 12:06 PM (zu88C)

522 Problem is that those jobs don't actually create any wealth... they don't make anything... they don't add value to something.

So, while its something we do need to do... it does not really help create wealth.

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???

They free up time for the person they provide the service to allow that person to do what they do best.

How are they any different from any other service job?

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:07 PM (gmeXX)

523 Joe decided not to go back to the garage. He stayed in the Corps, and was KIA at the Chosin Reservoir five years later.

Yeah, I am in a grim mood today.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at October 07, 2016 12:07 PM (ju8di)

524 head gaskets in the back of the garage. very rare in other than a farm garage.
miss it

Posted by: talgus at October 07, 2016 12:07 PM (fJQAI)

525 Re: what a moron asked about trump saying he's not doing debate prep, either the quote is wrong or he's dicking around the media. He did his own town hall in New Hampshire yesterday as an obvious practice to help him be more comfortable in that format.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at October 07, 2016 12:07 PM (U1Jb3)

526 What was a "garageman"? Was it an apprentice mechanic? Or just a hobo who hung around, straightening oil cans?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 07, 2016 09:58 AM (Y8eZh)

They babysat certain General Motors trucks. GMC = Garage Man's Companion.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 07, 2016 12:07 PM (3nqz0)

527 We have generations who have never experienced work

That is destructive to the soul. There is honor in ALL work

Didnt anybody ever teach you that?

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I'm not sure I've ever seen CJ argue otherwise, and I suspect he would completely agree with you.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:07 PM (gmeXX)

528 Seeing a hurricane report from Daytona Beach. They're being savaged.......NOT.

A lot of rain, but no buildings being torn asunder.

Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2016 12:08 PM (Fmupd)

529
Every day, Pol Pot's plan of closing the universities and sending the professors out into the the fields at bayonet point to plant rice seems more attractive.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 07, 2016 12:08 PM (kdS6q)

530 I have wondered about this. Is it a function of numbers?

Like, could the libertarian, self-reliant, free market America only survive without socialism and big government up to X population?

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable

It's a function of human nature. Pure libertarianism is as much a utopian philosophy as Marxism. We will need to operate together to function; we will need to respect and reward individuals; and we will have to figure out how to balance those two needs.

This is the simple truth. The fight never ends until you're in the ground.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, deplorably down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 07, 2016 12:08 PM (9krrF)

531 What's also nice about the detail is the Blue Star is not hanging in the window meaning the Marine is now home for good. Just a great painting.

Posted by: Willy at October 07, 2016 12:08 PM (29AgQ)

532 I'm a former Marine and I've never seen this picture before.

Thank you!

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 07, 2016 12:09 PM (B11vO)

533
Point of order.

There is no such thing as a former Marine.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 07, 2016 12:09 PM (8XRCm)

534 I wanted to pursue a career as a bathhouse ballerina, but all I got was a Klingon bodyguard and an umbrella that doesn't work right.

Posted by: Barry the Beneficent at October 07, 2016 12:09 PM (Ha9W6)

535 Really? How is it a lie, specifically?

Posted by: chemjeff

How long should a patent for a pharmaceutical last?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2016 12:10 PM (V3IFq)

536 Compare and contrast: Rockwell's America vs Obama's America.

Progress?

Posted by: red speck at October 07, 2016 12:10 PM (RcEOo)

537
Obviously someone at the garage was a gold star parent.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 07, 2016 12:10 PM (lKyWE)

538 >>> Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 07, 2016 12:03 PM (n7ncP)

Congrats to your momma. We've had health issues with my grandma, quick intervention saved her several times. Cannot imagine having to wait for some of the things she needed, she'd be dead now.

Were your mom living in UK and overweight, according to new rules she could not get treatment at all. But socialist medicine countries are the best in the world!!!eleventy!!!

Posted by: LizLem at October 07, 2016 12:10 PM (hvf9s)

539 We have generations who have never experienced work

That is destructive to the soul. There is honor in ALL work

Didnt anybody ever teach you that?

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:03 PM (3NZpj)
I agree that there is dignity and honor in all work. I have never said otherwise. But like with all things there are tradeoffs to be made. We could, in principle, further restrict international trade, which would mean more Americans would have jobs, more than likely. That is all fine and dandy. But there is a cost associated with that. Prices would necessarily rise and marginal consumers would not be able to afford the higher prices. So on the one hand - more people employed. On the other hand - fewer people being able to afford the higher prices. Which is better *overall*?

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:10 PM (gXKl3)

540 A sci-fi unit? Must be like "new math".

A reading unit devoted to sci-fi. Is that better?

Posted by: no good deed at October 07, 2016 12:10 PM (/O5Ax)

541 I'm thinking we need more death row inmates with a J.D. degree. It's not like we need people to pick up trash on our famous roads and bridges infrastructure.

Posted by: Fritz at October 07, 2016 12:10 PM (2Mnv1)

542 We will need to operate together to function; we will need to respect and reward individuals; and we will have to figure out how to balance those two needs.

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How big a government do we need to figure this out?

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:10 PM (gmeXX)

543 We have generations who have never experienced work

That is destructive to the soul. There is honor in ALL work

Didnt anybody ever teach you that?

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I'm not sure I've ever seen CJ argue otherwise, and I suspect he would completely agree with you.
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Right. Because the solution to 93 Americans leaving the workforce is obviously for the government to basically open the borders and import foreign labor.

Nothing says employment boom like legalized US Government alien smuggling.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 07, 2016 12:11 PM (zu88C)

544 Sisters made it through in Jupiter unscathed. They had more booze than a liquor store so not sure they would have noticed much of anything until they they sobered, which should be next week, because now it's the weekend.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'jonesing for hobo jerkey' at October 07, 2016 12:11 PM (B+MYz)

545 I see obama has released another 100 "workers" into the work force..... Wonder how hard it will be for them to find employment in their "field."... From what I have read not too hard...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 07, 2016 12:11 PM (O2RFr)

546 Check out the latest Imprimis.

In the decade 2000 to 2010, US corporations eliminated 2.9 million US jobs, while increasing overseas employment by 2.4 million. GE alone fired 34,000 and added 25,000 overseas.

Over $100 million per year in wages lost, and a good chunk of that dollar figure in increased welfare. That's the result of getting rid of 'mind numbing' jobs.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 07, 2016 12:11 PM (7ZVPa)

547 Nice picture, CBD. Thanks. Looking at the blue star flag hanging there. I had one of those in my window for years.

Posted by: grammie winger at October 07, 2016 12:11 PM (bpfzP)

548 Yay! We're going to get that system here!

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 12:06 PM (u0lmX)

Get rich or get connected. Theoretically, that doesn't help here but that's what medical tourism is for.
I have heard from one or two people though that cancer is treated relatively quick.....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 07, 2016 12:11 PM (n7ncP)

549 Really? How is it a lie, specifically?

Posted by: chemjeff

How long should a patent for a pharmaceutical last?

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I don't really know. Do you? Clearly long enough to encourage development, but not long enough to stifle innovation.

I'm not sure if 20 years is the proper time - though it seems like a reasonable starting point.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:12 PM (gmeXX)

550 540 Re: what a moron asked about trump saying he's not doing debate prep, either the quote is wrong or he's dicking around the media. He did his own town hall in New Hampshire yesterday as an obvious practice to help him be more comfortable in that format.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at October 07, 2016 12:07 PM (U1Jb3)

It's one thing to have a town hall full of your own supporters. It's quite another when the crowd is stocked full of child actors and other DNC plants asking about all sorts of unexpected and distracting nonsense. I hope he's up to it.

Posted by: Gran of the Deplorables at October 07, 2016 12:12 PM (XIXhw)

551 How are they any different from any other service job?
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Service jobs transfer wealth; they do not create it.
Mining, making, and growing things creates wealth.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2016 12:12 PM (NUqwG)

552 93 million

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 07, 2016 12:12 PM (zu88C)

553 Right. Because the solution to 93 Americans leaving the workforce is obviously for the government to basically open the borders and import foreign labor.

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I may be wrong, but I'm not sure CJ has advocated for open immigration.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:12 PM (gmeXX)

554 How long should a patent for a pharmaceutical last?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2016 12:10 PM (V3IFq)
Oh FFS. We aren't even talking about patents. But fine if you want to get pedantic, I will amend my statement:
We should unshackle the free market to allow capital and goods and services to flow MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE FREELY than they do today.
Happy?

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:12 PM (gXKl3)

555 We have generations who have never experienced work

That is destructive to the soul. There is honor in ALL work

Didnt anybody ever teach you that?

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:03 PM (3NZpj)

Even if they wanted to work there aren't any jobs except in the phony government numbers.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 12:13 PM (493sH)

556 Every day, Pol Pot's plan of closing the universities and sending the professors out into the the fields at bayonet point to plant rice seems more attractive.

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expect that'd be cultural revolution appropriation. So plant taters.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 07, 2016 12:13 PM (PNcou)

557

Its iodiotic to argue Americans are too smart for these jobs and don't need them. These are often "starter" jobs. Jobs for young people. Job experience for lower income people. Jobs for people who arent intellectually gifted

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:13 PM (3NZpj)

558 544
Every day, Pol Pot's plan of closing the universities and sending the professors out into the the fields at bayonet point to plant rice seems more attractive.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 07, 2016 12:08 PM (kdS6q)

I'm picturing that ginger SJW and BLM fan carrying buckets of slops to feed the pigs.

"We need more muscle here!"

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 12:14 PM (u0lmX)

559 I'm not sure I've ever seen CJ argue otherwise, and I suspect he would completely agree with you.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:07 PM (gmeX

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The "horrible, monotonous " type statements are a bit of a tell.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 07, 2016 12:14 PM (BS8yt)

560
Ok.... gotta conference call. See yez later.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 07, 2016 12:14 PM (8XRCm)

561 How are they any different from any other service job?
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Service jobs transfer wealth; they do not create it.
Mining, making, and growing things creates wealth.

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And yet doctors, lawyers, accountants, restaurant owners, and many others can become very wealthy in this country.

Are you saying service jobs are bad jobs?

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:14 PM (gmeXX)

562 @532 AOP, you "make" those gaskets? I think one's from a Champion.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 12:14 PM (H5rtT)

563
I'm thinking we need more death row inmates with a J.D. degree. It's not like we need people to pick up trash on our famous roads and bridges infrastructure.
Posted by: Fritz

How did the Romans manage to build their empire without thousands of Critical Media Studies graduate students?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 07, 2016 12:14 PM (kdS6q)

564
Right. Because the solution to 93 Americans leaving the workforce is
obviously for the government to basically open the borders and import
foreign labor.

I have never advocated for literal open borders.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:15 PM (gXKl3)

565 Best guess:

Looks like a 1st Marine shoulder patch
Silver Star
Purple Heart
Presidential Unit Citation

Guadalcanal campaign veteran, I think

Posted by: mrp at October 07, 2016 12:15 PM (JBggj)

566 'Rons. How do I submit an idea for a post? And to who (whom?)...whatev.

Ace? Open Blogger? Does it depend on the idea?

I tried to look in the handbook but the pages were all stuck together. And no I am not falling for 'the answer is in the barrel'...just NO.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'jonesing for hobo jerkey' at October 07, 2016 12:15 PM (B+MYz)

567 I'm picturing that ginger SJW and BLM fan carrying buckets of slops to feed the pigs.

"We need more muscle here!"

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 12:14 PM (u0lmX)

More like "OK, I've done my 5 minutes of work. Where's my frappuccino?"

Posted by: Gran of the Deplorables at October 07, 2016 12:15 PM (XIXhw)

568 Posted by: LizLem at October 07, 2016 12:10 PM (hvf9s)

Since my parents are much older, I really do now know what it's truly like in a socialized health care system. I was kind of naive once and didn't realize how ACTIVE you have to be in promoting your own or your loved ones best interests.

Medical tourism is a growing industry...for a reason.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 07, 2016 12:15 PM (n7ncP)

569 HEY! $9 TrillionB+rry Bucks printed and counting! Now everything but gas costs twice as much as before JEF. But who's counting. Certainly not R's in Congress for the most part, and no D's.

Posted by: torabora at October 07, 2016 12:16 PM (Z0yh4)

570 In case someone is low on their daily dose of lib rage, this will help top you off for the day:

https://twitter.com/SaveTheDayVote/status/784015614276882432

Condescending, smarmy, eurocentric stupidness. This is supposed to convince me to not vote Trumo? It reminds me of the line from Pride and Prejudice, when Lizzy fights back at the pompous Lady Catherine: "You can now have nothing farther to say...you have insulted me in every possible method."

Posted by: LizLem at October 07, 2016 12:16 PM (hvf9s)

571 What's cj going on about? Isn't he suppose to be teaching or something?

Posted by: f'd at October 07, 2016 12:16 PM (MIq3l)

572

Chem Jeff is an ardent, persistant and very vocal supporter of open borders

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:17 PM (3NZpj)

573 I'm picturing that ginger SJW and BLM fan carrying buckets of slops to feed the pigs.

"We need more muscle here!"

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 12:14 PM (u0lmX)

I couldn't see Pajama Boy carrying anything but a grudge. Well maybe a man purse

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2016 12:17 PM (493sH)

574 We should unshackle the free market to allow capital and goods and services to flow MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE FREELY than they do today.
Happy?

Posted by: chemjeff

Oh, did you just realize you don't know as much about FREE TRADE as you insisted ten second ago?

Jeff, Hayek had a lot to say about assuming things. Particularly assuming knowledge of what's best.

Humility. Find some.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2016 12:17 PM (V3IFq)

575 I know TL/DR so I'll stop but there are a ton of things that could be done to encourage jobs at home for those who can't add or subtract or divide particularly well but are good Americans and good people,

But chemjeff says "fuck those people. Jobs only for the highly educated".

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 12:17 PM (Bd48Y)

576 Its iodiotic to argue Americans are too smart for these jobs and don't need them. These are often "starter" jobs. Jobs for young people. Job experience for lower income people. Jobs for people who arent intellectually gifted
Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:13 PM (3NZpj)

Buh buh buh Momma said I'm special, and I can be anything I want to when I grow up, whatever makes me happy.

Posted by: special snowflake millenial at October 07, 2016 12:17 PM (+tRIN)

577 And yet doctors, lawyers, accountants, restaurant owners, and many others can become very wealthy in this country.

Are you saying service jobs are bad jobs?
Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:14 PM (gmeXX)
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Not at all. I've been in service jobs my entire career.
They do not create wealth.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2016 12:17 PM (NUqwG)

578 Its idiotic to argue Americans are too smart for these jobs and don't
need them. These are often "starter" jobs. Jobs for young people. Job
experience for lower income people. Jobs for people who arent
intellectually gifted

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Want to know why millenials are anti-free market commies?

Because instead of letting them face-plant into the Real World as has happened in previous decades in America, their government, in order to keep the phat donor checks from industry coming in , decided to drop it's borders and poison the entire US labor force with international cheap labor.

They have never EXPERIENCED a free market.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 07, 2016 12:17 PM (zu88C)

579 We should unshackle the free market to allow capital and goods and services to flow MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE FREELY than they do today.
Happy?
Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:12 PM (gXKl3)

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I'm not, be specific.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 07, 2016 12:17 PM (BS8yt)

580 "You can now have nothing farther to say...you have insulted me in every possible method."

One of my favorite books! I've read it many times...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 07, 2016 12:17 PM (O2RFr)

581 So, a presenter on Fox was just standing in the rain and explaining the devastation of Matthew in Daytona.

Guy in an SUV pulls up and asks if he needs any help. Presenter says "no, let me interview you".

SUV guy says, "this is nothing. this is half a hurricane. it's nothing".

I larfed.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 07, 2016 12:18 PM (mgbwf)

582 Its iodiotic to argue Americans are too smart for
these jobs and don't need them. These are often "starter" jobs. Jobs
for young people. Job experience for lower income people. Jobs for
people who arent intellectually gifted

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:13 PM (3NZpj)
The American "starter" jobs are ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE better than third-world iphone assembly jobs. Orders of magnitude.
And just let me be clear. I'm not saying that Americans don't "need" the jobs on some level. I'm arguing that the government shouldn't be fighting to keep those jobs in this country when the company would rather outsource those jobs to some third-world place. Far better, if the government is going to be involved at all, for it to spend its resources unshackling the market in this country to provide jobs that actually take advantage of the *comparatively* higher education level that Americans have compared to the rest of the world.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:18 PM (gXKl3)

583 548
Point of order.

There is no such thing as a former Marine.
Posted by: fixerupper at October 07, 2016 12:09 PM (8XRCm)
_____________________________________
fixerupper, the context that was given in boot camp was that there was no such thing as an ex-Marine. Former Marines were men and women who served and were now out of active/reserve duty.

I think I get your meaning though-Thanks!

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 07, 2016 12:18 PM (B11vO)

584 More like "OK, I've done my 5 minutes of work. Where's my frappuccino?"

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Alajendro can take it from here

Posted by: ginger SJW at October 07, 2016 12:18 PM (PNcou)

585 I couldn't see Pajama Boy carrying anything but a grudge. Well maybe a man purse

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And a tune!

Posted by: Pajama Boy at October 07, 2016 12:19 PM (PNcou)

586 I'm not, be specific.

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We should eliminate most executive agencies and just about all executive regulations.

All states should become right to work.

We should eliminate the corporate income tax and the estate/gift tax.

Finally, we should eliminate all tariffs.

I have some others.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:20 PM (gmeXX)

587 Because of Jap insanity, suicide by GI, nearly all of the troops they sent to combat failed to return home. ever

God, I've had it easy because of the GI's.

Posted by: torabora at October 07, 2016 12:20 PM (Z0yh4)

588 I couldn't see Pajama Boy carrying anything but a grudge. Well maybe a man purse

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Point of order: it is called a 'messenger bag'.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 07, 2016 12:20 PM (7ZVPa)

589 I'm arguing that the government shouldn't be fighting to keep those jobs
in this country when the company would rather outsource those jobs to
some third-world place.

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So, Mark Zuckerburg's donor contributions to the DNC are actually legtimate market forces?

Fascinating.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 07, 2016 12:20 PM (zu88C)

590 ChemJeff's problem is that he's been so annoying on the subject of Trump, people are beating him up out of habit.

You reap what you sow, I guess.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 07, 2016 12:21 PM (gKzKZ)

591 590
I know TL/DR so I'll stop but there are a ton of things that could be
done to encourage jobs at home for those who can't add or subtract or
divide particularly well but are good Americans and good people,

But chemjeff says "fuck those people. Jobs only for the highly educated".

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2016 12:17 PM (Bd48Y)
No, emphatically not! It's the protectionist crowd who is saying "fuck those people, they are only good enough for horrible menial jobs that causes your mind to go numb".

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:21 PM (gXKl3)

592 >> I have never advocated for literal open borders.

My position on borders is this: demonstrate to us, the citizens of the US, why you should be permitted to enter.

Simple as that.

Typical in Canada and Australia and a few other places.

Posted by: JEM at October 07, 2016 12:21 PM (TppKb)

593 I don't really know. Do you? Clearly long enough to encourage development, but not long enough to stifle innovation.

I'm not sure if 20 years is the proper time - though it seems like a reasonable starting point.

Posted by: SH

No, I don't. And I don't assume that I do either.

Further, and the point, I don't call myself a 'FREE TRADE' advocate because I know that our current set of laws isn't anything remotely like a 'FREE TRADE' system.

No one here, if they are honest, is horny for 'FREE TRADE' because there is always some exception or loophole or some bullshit excuse for protecting something they want protected.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2016 12:21 PM (V3IFq)

594 There is honor in ALL work

I have a saying which I think is my own, that "all honest work is honorable".

No. 1 Son got a job cleaning cabins at a campground affiliated with a local low-rent theme park. That is honorable work.

No. 2 Son got a job with an environmental activist group in which he was supposed to go door to door hectoring people about the environment and also hitting them up for donations.

That job lasted three days because he couldn't shake enough money out of people. That job was not honorable.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 07, 2016 12:21 PM (mgbwf)

595 Today that shop would be shut down by CalOSHA. Toxic

Posted by: torabora at October 07, 2016 12:22 PM (Z0yh4)

596 I'M VOTING FOR CLINTON THIS YEAR WHILE YOU'RE ENJOYING YOUR NFL, NBA, AND FOX NEWS. YOU'LL BE SUCKING MY BIG LATIN AMERICAN DICK NEXT YEAR BATO'S.

Posted by: JOSE THE ILLEGAL

Ole! Me gusta! Y detesta los stupidos merdas gringos pudenda!

Posted by: Jeb Bush at October 07, 2016 12:22 PM (iFgwk)

597 ChemJeff's problem is that he's been so annoying on the subject of Trump, people are beating him up out of habit.

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but out of Love....

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 07, 2016 12:22 PM (PNcou)

598 So, Mark Zuckerburg's donor contributions to the DNC are actually legtimate market forces?

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In a true free market, politics is for sale too.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2016 12:22 PM (NUqwG)

599 I think giving generations of young people, young black men, lower income people and the less intellectually gifted jobs is a positive in every respect

Chemmy you DO argue for open borders, constantly. The qualifier weasel word " literally" is meaningless

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:22 PM (3NZpj)

600 Hearing now of roof damage in the area SW of Jacksonville from a ham operator in Middleburg, FL. Sounds like he's running on emergency power, says "it's pretty rough, the winds are up and down" and that he started getting the roof damage about fifteen minutes ago.

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 07, 2016 12:23 PM (GUBah)

601
No one here, if they are honest, is horny for 'FREE TRADE' because
there is always some exception or loophole or some bullshit excuse for
protecting something they want protected.
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Yep. Sugar and Ethanol (more sugar) come to mind.

Posted by: mrp at October 07, 2016 12:23 PM (JBggj)

602 horrible menial jobs that causes your mind to go numb

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Wow, that's not subjective at all.

The universe really revolves around you , doesn't it.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 07, 2016 12:23 PM (zu88C)

603 And yet doctors, lawyers, accountants, restaurant owners, and many others can become very wealthy in this country.

Are you saying service jobs are bad jobs?
Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:14 PM (gmeXX)

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Doctors produce wellness or at least a pathway to wellness. Restaurants take various food elements and produce meals for customers wanting to eat.

I have no idea what the fucking lawyers do except become politicians and create laws contrary to production.

Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2016 12:23 PM (Fmupd)

604 Is this thread now longer than the second world war?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 07, 2016 12:23 PM (PNcou)

605 Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:13 PM (3NZpj)
The American "starter" jobs are ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE better than third-world iphone assembly jobs. Orders of magnitude."

Huh? The starter job of one of my brother's friends was working on the assembly line of a company that made paint brushes. How is that so much different than making iphones on an assembly line. He didn't like his job, but it gave him work experience that enabled him to get better jobs.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 12:23 PM (u0lmX)

606 Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2016 12:17 PM (V3IFq)

In the context of our current discussion, what I said was accurate. You brought up patents, a totally tangential issue just so you could have your "gotcha" moment. Fine. You "got me". I do favor limited patent protection for inventors and the like which is not a theoretically "free market" idea. Yes. Congratulations. You win. I have read Hayek too by the way. I don't recall him saying patents were a terrible idea.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:23 PM (gXKl3)

607 they are only good enough for horrible menial jobs that causes your mind to go numb".

Posted by: chemjeff

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I'm glad you care so much about these folks that you advocate for them to lose their jobs.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 07, 2016 12:23 PM (7ZVPa)

608 Those are deplorable flyover country rubes in that painting.

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at October 07, 2016 12:24 PM (vtcmf)

609 Further, and the point, I don't call myself a 'FREE TRADE' advocate because I know that our current set of laws isn't anything remotely like a 'FREE TRADE' system.

No one here, if they are honest, is horny for 'FREE TRADE' because there is always some exception or loophole or some bullshit excuse for protecting something they want protected.

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I'm fairly horny for "free trade." As I said, I would just eliminate all tariffs and not worry about what other countries do.

But I agree, our current "free trade" agreements are not all that "free trade."

So the term may not be the best one.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:24 PM (gmeXX)

610 Man, that guy could put so much meaning and emotion in 1 small frame.

That used to be the cover of the nation's largest-circulation magazine. Today..?!

No doubt we've gone far, FAR downhill as a nation.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at October 07, 2016 12:24 PM (+O9YB)

611
They free up time for the person they provide the service to allow that person to do what they do best.

How are they any different from any other service job?
Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:07 PM (gmeXX)

Wealth is created when you create something, or make something better. That thing, whether a barrel of oil, or a Turkey, or a car... will be consumed by others...

The entire rest of the economy is really a support system for that simple concept.... it may be support for a worker who makes those things... or an IT system which makes it more efficient... or a bank which helps keep score of that wealth transfer....

But in the end... they don't create any wealth... ie... the commodities which will be consumed.

Now, somehow it has become popular in economic circles to believe that you can have an viable economy, that does not Produce commodities... that somehow we can have 'growth' by growing the support system, and buying commodities from others...

Which is why we find ourselves with a $500 Billion trade deficit... thus exporting our ability to buy commodities in the future...

AND, we are even exporting the 'support' system efficiencies we have been selling to other economies.... making them more efficient and no longer needing us to support said economies... (which was a revenue stream for us, even though we were not making commodities ourselves).

I can't see how an economy which does not create commodities can survive long term.... and this is what 'open border' and 'free traders' seem to advocate.

Posted by: Don Quixote at October 07, 2016 12:24 PM (qf6WZ)

612 There is no such thing as a former Marine.

There is, but it involves having your insignia torn off in front of a regiment, and your cutlass broken across the knee of a Command Sergeant Major.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 12:24 PM (H5rtT)

613 610 Today that shop would be shut down by CalOSHA.
Toxic
Posted by: torabora at October 07, 2016 12:22 PM (Z0yh4)

This is what's wrong. Oh and permits to even run a lemonade stand or a farmer to sell bunnies and ducks on his own property. Entrepreneurship is a punishable offense.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'jonesing for hobo jerkey' at October 07, 2016 12:24 PM (B+MYz)

614

American starter jobs are being performed by illegal immigrant from Mexico and Central America

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:25 PM (3NZpj)

615 >>>No one here, if they are honest, is horny for 'FREE TRADE'

FREE TRADE, no.
FREE WINONA, yes.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 07, 2016 12:25 PM (Y8eZh)

616 Viva la revolucion!

Posted by: chemtrail at October 07, 2016 12:25 PM (vtcmf)

617 Rev is in a service job. He doesn't create wealth. He sure doesn't bring it home.

Matthew 6:19-21 Don't lay up treasures for yourself here on earth.

We've got that one down pat.

Posted by: grammie winger at October 07, 2016 12:26 PM (bpfzP)

618 In a true free market, politics is for sale too.
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I'm okay with that. If ALL of the regs are enforced.

Not just the ones that enrich the regulators.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 07, 2016 12:26 PM (zu88C)

619 Pet Thread tomorrow!

Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2016 12:26 PM (6xtq3)

620 622 they are only good enough for horrible menial jobs that causes your mind to go numb".

Posted by: chemjeff

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I'm glad you care so much about these folks that you advocate for them to lose their jobs.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 07, 2016 12:23 PM (7ZVPa)

Hmmm... I just realized.... he is advocating for foreigners to have these 'mind numbing' jobs...

Why does he hate foreigners?

Posted by: Don Quixote at October 07, 2016 12:27 PM (qf6WZ)

621 Wealth is created when you create something, or make something better. That thing, whether a barrel of oil, or a Turkey, or a car... will be consumed by others...

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Service jobs do lead to the creation of wealth because it allows people to focus on it rather than doing things that take time away.

It may not be direct, but it is indirect.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:27 PM (gmeXX)

622 FREE TRADE
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Free trade historically refers to "open markets" independently of as well as in conjuction with some degree of "tariff-free trade". Different people use it to refer to different things.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2016 12:27 PM (NUqwG)

623 We have an elite class, particularly politicians, who have been preaching to kids: get a college degree and you will get the job of your dreams.
That's why we've ended up with these OWS sad clowns who feel cheated because they thought that degree= awesome job= financial stability/riches. Never mind that there a few jobs available for degrees that are being offered, and it's even more rare to find a job that would offset the debt accrued getting that degree.

Mike Rowe has blogged, done a graduation speech, and created a Dennis Prager tutorial abut how "Follow Your Dreams" is the worst advice you can give a kid.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 07, 2016 12:27 PM (NOIQH)

624
horrible menial jobs that causes your mind to go numb

And sitting around all day being non productive waiting for a government subsistence check isn't mind-numbing?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 07, 2016 12:27 PM (lKyWE)

625 fixerupper, the context that was given in boot camp
was that there was no such thing as an ex-Marine. Former Marines were
men and women who served and were now out of active/reserve duty.

I think I get your meaning though-Thanks!

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 07, 2016 12:18 PM (B11vO)
Yes, we are all just Marines now. Was a big push by General Amos when he was CMC, that there were no former Marines, he also started calling civilians in support of Marines, civilian Marines. I did not like Gen Amos very much, but I had little argument with this change in designations.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 12:27 PM (7N6ox)

626 FREE TRADE
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Free trade historically refers to "open markets" independently of as well as in conjuction with some degree of "tariff-free trade". Different people use it to refer to different things.

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It does mean different things to different people. And it doesn't help when a "free trade" agreement is thousand of pages long and benefits certain industries more than others.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:28 PM (gmeXX)

627 I have a saying which I think is my own, that "all honest work is honorable".
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Absolutely. Man is designed to work, from the beginning.

Posted by: grammie winger at October 07, 2016 12:28 PM (bpfzP)

628 Remember walking into a McDonalds in like the 80's and the 90's?

It was teenagers working those jobs. I had a "dumb" job like that and I thought it really taught me a lot.

When was the last time you saw a teenager working a fast food job? It's pretty rare where I'm at, it's almost exclusively older immigrants, and I guarantee you most of them are on federal assistance.

That's why Big Business loves this stuff, they can shift all sorts of costs onto the taxpayer. their staff is basically a government worker they get for free.

Posted by: Maritime at October 07, 2016 12:29 PM (hm8zK)

629 600,000 without power in FL. I thought it was supposed to be millions.

Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2016 12:29 PM (Fmupd)

630 I'm fairly horny for "free trade." As I said, I would just eliminate all tariffs and not worry about what other countries do.

But I agree, our current "free trade" agreements are not all that "free trade."

I'm in the free trade boat with you, and it's plenty roomy these days.

And no, a "free trade agreement" that takes 3,000 pages isn't free trade at all.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 07, 2016 12:29 PM (mgbwf)

631
Chemmy you DO argue for open borders, constantly. The qualifier weasel word " literally" is meaningless

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:22 PM (3NZpj)
If you think I do, then fine - define for me what you consider to be "open borders".

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:30 PM (gXKl3)

632 An American working to assemble something that add's value to the company that pays them is not 'mind-numbed'.

Not everyone derives their sense of self-worth from their employment.

I imagine the guys in the above painting frequently felt mentally drained by some of the tedious aspects of their jobs.

Endurance is under-rated.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 07, 2016 12:30 PM (zu88C)

633 We will need to operate together to function; we will need to respect and reward individuals; and we will have to figure out how to balance those two needs.

Well ... I know this. In my lifetime - there's never been a lack of Leftists or Rightists, all Statists, absolutely fucking giddy in their enthusiasm to compel people to participate in their particular vision of How Things Ought To Be.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 07, 2016 12:31 PM (atQ0F)

634 Reading his complaints and retorts is a horrible menial chore that causes your mind to go numb.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 07, 2016 12:31 PM (VdICR)

635 639

horrible menial jobs that causes your mind to go numb

And sitting around all day being non productive waiting for a government subsistence check isn't mind-numbing?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 07, 2016 12:27 PM (lKyWE)
It is. That's why there are more than two choices.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:31 PM (gXKl3)

636 I'm in the free trade boat with you, and it's plenty roomy these days.

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Yes, plenty of open seats. I'll just take this whole row to myself.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:31 PM (gmeXX)

637

Mike Rowe has blogged, done a graduation speech, and created a Dennis Prager tutorial abut how "Follow Your Dreams" is the worst advice you can give a kid.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 07, 2016 12:27 PM (NOIQH)

I loved to draw and still do. Off to college and take an Art Appreciation course. The teacher calls me in and tries to talk me into being an art major because she thought my sketches 'had promise'...mentioned it to my Mom, and she said 'yeah..nice..NO."

My teacher was really hot. Damn mom.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'jonesing for hobo jerkey' at October 07, 2016 12:31 PM (B+MYz)

638 Nood. About our wonderful jobs numbers.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 07, 2016 12:31 PM (7ZVPa)

639 Hmmm.

Point of order, Horde, it's not technically possible to threadjack an open thread.

But Imma give it a try.

Let us discuss this, shall we?

http://bit.ly/2dZnw0n

Personally, I find the juxtaposition of the vibrant colors against the black foundation to truly make the colors sing. Not to mention the complimentary play of the variants in color between the organic and inorganic materials.

There's also something piquant about the delicacy and wispiness of the outer wrapping with the solid and firm structures required with that which is underneath.

But, and this is key, holy hell are those amazing boobs.

Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 07, 2016 12:31 PM (mf5HN)

640 Applying command to a rank is the sign of belonging to a lesser service that needs to imply what the persons job is. Marines have a Sergeant Major, we know what his job and position is. I still prefer being a Master Gunnery Sergeant, that means I know what the hell I am doing.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 12:32 PM (7N6ox)

641 The qualifier weasel word....
Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:22 PM (3NZpj)
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Weasel Awareness Week!!

Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2016 12:32 PM (6xtq3)

642 This is what's wrong. Oh and permits to even run a lemonade stand or a farmer to sell bunnies and ducks on his own property. Entrepreneurship is a punishable offense.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'jonesing for hobo jerkey' at October 07, 2016 12:24 PM (B+MYz)

You've reminded me of the ending of Michael Moore's "Roger and Me." He interviewed a woman who had a sign "Rabbits for Sale for Pets or Food." The audience was invited to both laugh at and be horrified by this dumb hick - who was trying her best to bring in some money.

Also, Moore's oh-so-sophisticated audience was apparently unaware that rabbit meat is widely eaten in Europe. I remember seeing "lapin" on any number of bistro menus in France.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 12:33 PM (u0lmX)

643 No Chem

Share your border enforcement/immigration policy with us

Prove me wrong. Remember we have been reading you all year on this

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:34 PM (3NZpj)

644 Chemjeff - Lord knows I love ya but for the love of pete, give it a rest. Your day after day insistence that everyone "define" things for you is driving me bats.

The Bible warns people not to get tangled up in useless argumentativeness. Maybe He knows what He's talking about, eh?

Posted by: grammie winger at October 07, 2016 12:34 PM (bpfzP)

645 636 Wealth is created when you create something, or make something better. That thing, whether a barrel of oil, or a Turkey, or a car... will be consumed by others...

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Service jobs do lead to the creation of wealth because it allows people to focus on it rather than doing things that take time away.

It may not be direct, but it is indirect.
Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:27 PM (gmeXX)

Uh.... isn't that what I just wrote?

Service jobs are needed in a Modern economy.... to support the populaces ability to create commodities...

But they do not create the commodities themselves...

Yet our 'betters' in economic circles seem to believe that we can have a viable economy just by taking care of each other, and buying the commodities we consume from other economies...

Posted by: Don Quixote at October 07, 2016 12:35 PM (qf6WZ)

646 Tomo Meli Gato, Mr. Robato!

Posted by: Jeb Bush at October 07, 2016 12:35 PM (iFgwk)

647 I had a "dumb" job like that and I thought it really taught me a lot.-Maritime

Said a mouthful, there. There are no newsboys any more. No paper routes. Lawn mowing is done by a "service" that parks their big-ass trailer in the street.

I had my kid a job lined up for summers, starting out sweeping up at a garage that wasn't unlike Rockwell's above. Kid was really looking forward to it. But, no. The check-list of things you had to have on your resume, starting in junior high, if you ever expected to be "accepted" (and you know what I mean by that) was too onerous to allow for that level of employment.

We managed to work in some very good things, but a long-term part time job, starting at the bottom for a pittance, was just not Allowed by The System.

Of course, the old ways didn't always work out either. If I'd followed up on my dad's advice, I'd have been the cabin boy on the Fitzgerald. True story.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 12:36 PM (H5rtT)

648 To me, free trade is zero restrictions with respect to tarriffs. That's where the "free" part comes into play.

So no matter what the country you're trading with does, you don't charge a tariff for them to export goods to your country.

Any sort of concessions or penalties, it's no longer "free trade".

Figures like Karl Marx and Engels were VERY pro free trade because it broke down nationalities and allegiances.

The fetish for free trade almost reminds me of when conservatives keep lowering taxes until 47% or so no longer pay a federal income tax. There are voting ramifications for policies like that even if it means lower taxes for more people.

Posted by: Maritime at October 07, 2016 12:36 PM (hm8zK)

649 For a truly rational and virtuous people, one to govern is too many.

For an irrational and corrupt people, no host is ever enough.

For we humans that tend to move between...I can't call it. I know what I prefer...but I also know what that requires.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, deplorably down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 07, 2016 12:36 PM (9krrF)

650 The old advice was: Work hard to get the job you want (e.g. work your way up to the corner office from the nail room).

The new advice is: Get a college degree and you will get the job you want.

That can only work with degrees that map to readily available jobs, such as Accounting degree/being an Accountant. Even then you have to work your way up - it's not likely you'll get the job you want straight out of school.

The real problem is these kids getting "- studies" degrees that map to "- studies professor" and little else.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 07, 2016 12:36 PM (NOIQH)

651 I'd have to say perpetual unemployment is pretty mind-numbing, for those that had minds to start with. Guess you don't need a functioning brain to fill in the little circles next to all the Democrats.

Posted by: La-a at October 07, 2016 12:37 PM (Ha9W6)

652 We should eliminate most executive agencies and just about all executive regulations.

All states should become right to work.

We should eliminate the corporate income tax and the estate/gift tax.

Finally, we should eliminate all tariffs.

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Save for the last, Trump is about the closest you'll get tjis go around.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 07, 2016 12:37 PM (BS8yt)

653 But they do not create the commodities themselves...

Yet our 'betters' in economic circles seem to believe that we can have a viable economy just by taking care of each other, and buying the commodities we consume from other economies...

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Depends on the commodity I guess. We have become the leader in oil again. That is good right?

We build great heavy equipment, planes, trucks, etc. That is good right?

Let China and Mexico build the TVs, the small cars, the clothes. Cheaper for us to buy them from them.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:37 PM (gmeXX)

654 An American working to assemble something that add's value to the company that pays them is not 'mind-numbed'.

I didn't say the person was 'mind-numbed'. I said the work is 'mind-numbing'.

Once again, I have no problem with anyone having any legal job that they wish. I want to get rid of the minimum wage, frankly, and let anyone work for any wage that willing employer and prospective employee can agree to.

The point is, if the government is going to be doing anything at all (and frankly I think they should butt out of a lot of what they do), should the government be spending its limited resources on fighting to keep the mind-numbing jobs here? Or should the government be spending its limited resources to develop better jobs here that can more fully take advantage of the comparatively higher levels of education that US workers have?

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:38 PM (gXKl3)

655 Also, Moore's oh-so-sophisticated audience was apparently unaware that rabbit meat is widely eaten in Europe. I remember seeing "lapin" on any number of bistro menus in France.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 07, 2016 12:33 PM (u0lmX)

Obviously I can't criticize people on what they eat. Hell I thought an endangered species featuring was a great idea.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'jonesing for hobo jerkey' at October 07, 2016 12:38 PM (B+MYz)

656 To me, free trade is zero restrictions with respect to tarriffs. That's where the "free" part comes into play.

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That's my understanding of free trade too.

That is what I wish we would adopt.

Frankly, I just don't care if other countries want to tax our products.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)

657

Chem

Whats your border/immigration policy

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:39 PM (3NZpj)

658 Featuring? Damn. I meant Endangered Species Resturant. Gees.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'jonesing for hobo jerkey' at October 07, 2016 12:40 PM (B+MYz)

659 Share your border enforcement/immigration policy with us

Prove me wrong. Remember we have been reading you all year on this

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:34 PM (3NZpj)
I have, several times. Yet you all continue to declare it's "open borders". So before I try again, please tell me what you consider to be "open borders".

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:40 PM (gXKl3)

660 >>>655 Applying command to a rank is the sign of belonging to a lesser service that needs to imply what the persons job is.

:::rolls eyes:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 07, 2016 12:41 PM (Y8eZh)

661 ChemJeff is like a guy I know that makes $100k a year and drives a $300 a month Mercedes, and thinks he's an Elite in the Ivory Tower and talks about "jobs we don't need"

It's just comical that people like this think a manufacturing plant doesn't serve the economy and provide good paying jobs. Many of these jobs pay more than there silly job that they are oh so proud of.

And stepping up the "education" is not going to do squat, the Soviet Union ran circles around us in the education department, all these extra PhDs didn't make their economy robust.

Posted by: Maritime at October 07, 2016 12:41 PM (hm8zK)

662 640 fixerupper, the context that was given in boot camp
was that there was no such thing as an ex-Marine. Former Marines were
men and women who served and were now out of active/reserve duty.

I think I get your meaning though-Thanks!

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 07, 2016 12:18 PM (B11vO)
Yes, we are all just Marines now. Was a big push by General Amos when he was CMC, that there were no former Marines, he also started calling civilians in support of Marines, civilian Marines. I did not like Gen Amos very much, but I had little argument with this change in designations.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 12:27 PM (7N6ox)
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Thx for the update. I didn't know about that.

Err, civilian Marines? Remembering the civil service workers who I had to deal with? I'll never use 'civilian Marines' as a term-screw that.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 07, 2016 12:41 PM (B11vO)

663

Chem

This is the ONE time you won't repeat your ideas on border enforcement and immigration?

Come on man. Just OWN it

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:41 PM (3NZpj)

664 Stringer,

Reminds me something a few days ago. A parent talking about volunteer service as part of a "resume" to get into college.

Yeah, well what about a kid that took a job to earn money to buy a car. Shouldn't that be resume worthy.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 07, 2016 12:41 PM (BS8yt)

665 It's a great picture. Means a lot to many of us.

To bad the thread got hijacked again

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2016 12:42 PM (zp+j1)

666 Share your border enforcement/immigration policy with us

Prove me wrong. Remember we have been reading you all year on this

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Not Chem, but in general, I'll share mine.

- We should enforce our borders.
- We should deport those here illegally.
- To the extent that we will allow immigration (and I think we should have immigration), we should prioritize those from friendly countries, cultures, and those with education (i.e., doctors, engineers, etc.).
- We should absolutely close off immigration of people from parts of the world that are known to sponsor or support terrorism and if we do allow people from their, the vetting should be longer and more stringent.
- We should focus on assimilation once here.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:44 PM (gmeXX)

667

SH thats reasonable. And that isnt what Chem thinks

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:45 PM (3NZpj)

668 678

Chem

This is the ONE time you won't repeat your ideas on border enforcement and immigration?

Come on man. Just OWN it

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:41 PM (3NZpj)
Bottom line is, because you don't have an actual standard for what constitutes "open borders", it doesn't matter what I say - as long as it doesn't agree with the most restrictionist position out there, you will label it "open borders" anyway, even if it is not by any literal understanding of the phrase.
The phrase "open borders" on the right has basically devolved into a slur, by the more-restrctionist-than-thou segment who wants to virtue signal that they are a purist on immigration enforcement.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:45 PM (gXKl3)

669 OK please, I know we're in the thick of it here, but before new thread. asked if I submit ideas for a post to Ace or Open Blogger or whoever. Does it depend on the idea? Thanks folks.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'jonesing for hobo jerkey' at October 07, 2016 12:45 PM (B+MYz)

670 627 There is no such thing as a former Marine.

There is, but it involves having your insignia torn off in front of a regiment, and your cutlass broken across the knee of a Command Sergeant Major.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 12:24 PM (H5rtT)
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I was taught that ritual was more of an excommunication type of thing-the idea was that the person was never a Marine in the first place.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 07, 2016 12:45 PM (B11vO)

671 That's my understanding of free trade too.

That is what I wish we would adopt.

Frankly, I just don't care if other countries want to tax our products.
Posted by: SH
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That's a suicide pact. And for what? You think the nickel tariff on your iPhone is too much of a burden to maybe enforce some fig leaf of a trade agreement?

The same arguments for free trade are there for open borders.

Posted by: Maritime at October 07, 2016 12:46 PM (hm8zK)

672 I think tariffs ought to be set based on the country we do trade with.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 07, 2016 12:46 PM (BS8yt)

673
SH thats reasonable. And that isnt what Chem thinks

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:45 PM (3NZpj)
It isn't? At various times I have advocated or agreed with all of those points.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:46 PM (gXKl3)

674 Reminds me something a few days ago. A parent talking about volunteer service as part of a "resume" to get into college.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 07, 2016 12:41 PM (BS8yt)

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I had always found that ridiculous and stupid.

Perhaps I have been wrong. Since so much of the purpose of college these days seems to be training people for SJW duty and community organizing, perhaps it is a useful criterion. They would be looking more for volunteer "activists" rather than traditional volunteer work though, I suppose.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2016 12:47 PM (NUqwG)

675 ThunderB, since you seem to know more about my immigration views than I do, then why don't you tell me what my views are?

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:48 PM (gXKl3)

676 That's a suicide pact. And for what? You think the nickel tariff on your iPhone is too much of a burden to maybe enforce some fig leaf of a trade agreement?

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I do not agree with you that it is a suicide pact. If other countries want to tax their citizens, why should I care. We don't care that some states have a sales tax and others don't?

And its not the cost, its more that I don't trust the government to pick the winners and losers.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:49 PM (gmeXX)

677 It's just comical that people like this think a manufacturing plant
doesn't serve the economy and provide good paying jobs. Many of these
jobs pay more than there silly job that they are oh so proud of.

I have never argued otherwise. Of course there are good manufacturing jobs. The better ones actually require a bit more than barely-educated-seventh-grader level of ability when it comes to the workers. Of course they serve the economy. Of course many of them pay well. When have I said otherwise?

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:49 PM (gXKl3)

678 I favor a "trickle in" policy of immigration. About a 100,000 of those that best serve our needs as a country, with absolutely no burden to society from day one.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 07, 2016 12:49 PM (BS8yt)

679

Chem

You have tirelessly tediously argued against deportion

Against suspension of immigration from terrorist hotbeds

And argued FOR the free flow of labor across the border regardless of its impact on American workers

Posted by: ThunderB at October 07, 2016 12:51 PM (3NZpj)

680 The better ones actually require a bit more than barely-educated-seventh-grader level of ability when it comes to the workers.
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But what are the "barely-educated-seventh-grader level of ability" people to do?

Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2016 12:51 PM (NUqwG)

681
And its not the cost, its more that I don't trust the government to pick the winners and losers.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:49 PM (gmeXX)
THIS. Tariffs and protectionism is just crony corporatism for the connected donors. They wine and dine their politicians to get their industry to be protected from competition, consumers have to suck up higher prices, they rake in higher profits, and the Congresscritters get fat and rich.
I don't mind profits in general, but I do mind profits obtained via rent-seeking and artificially high prices that everyone else has to pay.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:51 PM (gXKl3)

682 But what are the "barely-educated-seventh-grader level of ability" people to do?

Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2016 12:51 PM (NUqwG)
Finish highschool?

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:51 PM (gXKl3)

683 Because we use Marine as a title, one that is earned, it is impossible to remove it, designating one as an "ex"-Marine is that they have failed to meet the expectation required to maintain the title, or have so thoroughly embarrassed the Corps, we will not admit any connection with the person. Like Clayton Lonetree, Lee Harvey Oswald or Charles Whitman. The new push is that we continue to serve, even if we aren't in uniform so they wanted to remove the Former, because in our own way, we still represent our Corps...

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 12:52 PM (7N6ox)

684 689 Reminds me something a few days ago. A parent talking about volunteer service as part of a "resume" to get into college.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 07, 2016 12:41 PM (BS8yt)

Worked in a grocery store stocking shelves when I was 12. The guy thought everything I did was wrong and although I thought I was working hard, he probably thought I was a lazy shit. At least he didn't tell my dad but expectations were high and I tried to meet them. I learned a lot as I look back. My mother kept 11 out of the 12 dollars I earned and saved it for college unless they needed it. So I had a work history for college back then. Lol.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'jonesing for hobo jerkey' at October 07, 2016 12:52 PM (B+MYz)

685 Finish highschool?
Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:51 PM (gXKl3)
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They probably have.

Are you really that ignorant or is it just an act?

Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2016 12:53 PM (NUqwG)

686 I am not against tariffs for all purposes. Just as a form of protectionism. I'd be happy to use a fair tariff rate as a form of tax - if it meant eliminating some tax here. And if we are going to have a tariff, I'd just assume it be uniform across the board. Since the federal government can't do that with taxes, I have zero confidence they could do that with tariffs.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:53 PM (gmeXX)

687 I do not agree with you that it is a suicide pact. If other countries want to tax their citizens, why should I care. We don't care that some states have a sales tax and others don't?

And its not the cost, its more that I don't trust the government to pick the winners and losers.

Posted by: SH

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Every country would simply erect draconian trade barriers that benefited them all the while we would be buying their goods with zero interference.

We would have zero enforcement for them to open trade for our industries. All to be a slave to this concept of free trade.

Almost every company here would offshore overnight.

But free traders could pat themselves on the back that they finally got rid of that 3 cent tax they were paying for their computer.

Posted by: Maritime at October 07, 2016 12:55 PM (hm8zK)

688 That's why the tariff level should generally be the same for all imported goods, to minimize the level of cronyism.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 07, 2016 12:55 PM (BS8yt)

689 All this blah blah blah. Where does it get us. Gee whiz I'm sick of it. I just wanted to look at the picture, and remember what Americans used to be. Admire the sacrifice and the service. But no. We've got to devour each other. How is this better than the leftists? Let's all just be awful for the day.

I'm going to go wash something.

Posted by: grammie winger at October 07, 2016 12:56 PM (bpfzP)

690 You have tirelessly tediously argued against deportion

I have argued against deportation METHODS that are injurious to the rights of CITIZENS. Such as unreasonable searches or demands for citizenship papers. I have never, not once, argued against deportation in general.

Against suspension of immigration from terrorist hotbeds

I have argued against suspending immigration based on a RELIGIOUS TEST. I have never, not once, argued against restricting immigration from dangerous PLACES.

And argued FOR the free flow of labor across the border regardless of its impact on American workers

I have never argued that position. Not once. I HAVE argued that the impact of free trade on the American worker should be considered BOTH on the employment side AND on the consumer side, i.e., higher prices that the worker would have to pay under a protectionist regime.

If you think I am lying, then go obtain some quote where I supposedly said otherwise. As you mentioned, you've been reading my comments for a year now.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:56 PM (gXKl3)

691 Almost every company here would offshore overnight.

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Is it your contention that the only reason companies have jobs here is because of tariffs?

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 12:57 PM (gmeXX)

692 I am not against tariffs for all purposes. Just as a form of protectionism. I'd be happy to use a fair tariff rate as a form of tax - if it meant eliminating some tax here. And if we are going to have a tariff, I'd just assume it be uniform across the board. Since the federal government can't do that with taxes, I have zero confidence they could do that with tariffs.

Posted by: SH

You're contradicting yourself now and backtracking.

Posted by: Maritime at October 07, 2016 12:57 PM (hm8zK)

693 My Homecoming was less than Stellar and was nothing like that painting.
It took hours of travel, cross the International date line to arrive the day I left, all I wanted was to get home.
For the most part folk's just didn't care, didn't even know I'd been gone, those who did considered me lying about it and that I never went. One thing for sure, no one was happy to see me come home alive or dead.
A most Painful and personally miserable experience I would not go through again even if it meant finally getting home alive.
Rockwell should have painted us a picture of our homecoming, it would have been different for sure.

Posted by: obsidian at October 07, 2016 12:59 PM (ARK2U)

694 We've got to devour each other. How is this better than the leftists?

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Grammie - what is wrong with those of us who want to discuss (argue) this point doing so? I have freely said that I like to argue so I find it more enjoyable than you. But that being said, this is a fairly important point. And to the extent that we all fill up the space that is the "right" it is one that needs to be discussed. This forum allows us to discuss it. I do believe in "free trade" and believe it or not I really am trying to convert people to it. No doubt, I am not doing a great job.

IMO, despite how contentious it may get from time to time, this is healthy.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 01:00 PM (gmeXX)

695 698 Because we use Marine as a title, one that is earned, it is impossible to remove it, designating one as an "ex"-Marine is that they have failed to meet the expectation required to maintain the title, or have so thoroughly embarrassed the Corps, we will not admit any connection with the person. Like Clayton Lonetree, Lee Harvey Oswald or Charles Whitman. The new push is that we continue to serve, even if we aren't in uniform so they wanted to remove the Former, because in our own way, we still represent our Corps...
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 12:52 PM (7N6ox)
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Thx for the explanation. Makes sense especially when people do seem to expect a certain behavior from me once they find out I served in the Corps.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 07, 2016 01:00 PM (B11vO)

696 700
Finish highschool?

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 12:51 PM (gXKl3)

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They probably have.

Are you really that ignorant or is it just an act?

Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2016 12:53 PM (NUqwG)
Well then that's the problem right there. Highschools shouldn't be churning out people who rank on a seventh-grade level of ability from a *global* standard. I am all in favor of school choice and getting the government out of the schools so that some real education can take place.
And we will always have some starter jobs in this country that can't be outsourced, mainly service jobs. Not everything can be outsourced, nor should it be. The point is, as always, that we shouldn't be demanding and fighting to keep these jobs when we could otherwise expand our economy with better jobs.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 01:01 PM (gXKl3)

697 #148 I've heard one person comment that they're not actual clowns, but people dressed as clowns. Yeah.

Aren't all clowns people dressed like clowns? It's not as though they're born that way.

I understand that the professional clown class is upset by this, but I sincerely hope that future/budding clowns rethink their chosen profession. I don't think the country would be the worse for being clownless.

Spellcheck just informed me that there's no such word as "clownless." I would like to change that.

Posted by: Miley's Deplorables at October 07, 2016 01:01 PM (L2UGl)

698 She needs to be guest of honor at a curb stomping.

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at October 07, 2016 11:28 AM (dIc3Q)

Food truck owners need to tell her, directly, and most publicly, "You are a stupid cvnt. Shut your fvcking cake hole."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 07, 2016 01:01 PM (3nqz0)

699 You're contradicting yourself now and backtracking.

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I don't think so. If we want to enact a universal tariff as a revenue raiser, then ok. I would absolutely want it coupled with an elimination of some tax. I would gladly support a tariff in place of the income tax. We need to raise some funds for the government.

Posted by: SH at October 07, 2016 01:02 PM (gmeXX)

700 "In Philadelphia the words "city councilman" and "indicted" are never far apart."

Here, it is usually written as "un-indicted"
*
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That's always annoyed me, the expression "un-indicted co-conspirator." Don't these morons know that the "con" part of "conspirator" means "with," and so you don't need the "co-"?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 07, 2016 01:04 PM (gO/zg)

701 Highschools shouldn't be churning out people who rank on a seventh-grade level of ability from a *global* standard.
Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 01:01 PM (gXKl3)
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Well, they may not have earned a degree when they finished. Some people do not have the ability to master high education - just as some do not have the ability to master a particular field of study in higher education.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2016 01:04 PM (NUqwG)

702 Well, they may not have earned a degree when they finished. Some
people do not have the ability to master high education - just as some
do not have the ability to master a particular field of study in higher
education.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 07, 2016 01:04 PM (NUqwG)
--Nonsense. College is for everyone. To think otherwise is racist.

Posted by: Department of Education Civil Rights Division at October 07, 2016 01:06 PM (3DSAh)

703 First off, Semper Fi, Mac...

Second, the worst 3 years of my career was recruiting in Austin, TX. I found some good young Marines who did very well, I just hate sales. However, for all the slick materials, tools and training we had, the best advertising material was former Marines. Even the guys who were so ready to leave the "suck", after a few months back in 1st CivDiv, were always ready to talk about the things they loved and missed about being a Marine, rather than the stuff that made them so ready to leave...Best thing was, while other vets would say, when I was in the military or in the service, Marines were in the Marines.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 01:07 PM (7N6ox)

704 iHola!

Posted by: Jeb Bush at October 07, 2016 01:10 PM (iFgwk)

705 Boulder terlit hobo, There is absolutely nothing trollish that I have written in this thread. None. Unless you want to condemn every opinion that runs contrary to modern-day neo-protectionism as "trollish", as opposed to an honest disagreement.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2016 11:59 AM (gXKl3)

Trolling, then.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 07, 2016 01:16 PM (3nqz0)

706 Cavuto tostados por favor. Mea culpa enchillada, Ramona la pesto, eo mio, calvados chalupa. Pruebas, me amigoes e gringo. Cuomo esta. Chiascuro e manilla.

Posted by: Jeb Bush at October 07, 2016 01:18 PM (iFgwk)

707 CBD, just popping in for a second to say I love this picture. Thank you for such a great choice.

Posted by: bluebell at October 07, 2016 01:22 PM (xpSCc)

708 Hey obsidian at October 07, 2016 12:59 PM (ARK2U)Welcome Home Brother!

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 01:23 PM (7N6ox)

709 AOP, you "make" those gaskets? I think one's from a Champion.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 07, 2016 12:14 PM (H5rtT)

Could be, although pretty much all flathead six head gaskets look the same. And I have some hanging on the wall, too. Because you never know when you might need one.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 07, 2016 01:23 PM (3nqz0)

710 Best thing was, while other vets would say, when I was in the military or in the service, Marines were in the Marines.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 01:07 PM (7N6ox)
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First thought that came to me when I read that was departing from the MEPS building in San Antonio, TX. It was my first big hint that the Corps was quite different than the rest of the services.

Air Force: four (4) buses for personnel. (People were arriving for Lackland AFB.)
Army: two (2) buses for personnel
Navy: single bus (no, not a short bus.)

Marines: a fricken mini-van to the airport. (There were four of us.)

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 07, 2016 01:25 PM (B11vO)

711 It was a bitterly cold morning when I left the MEPS in Minneapolis, 6 of us on our flight to San Diego, we were shocked to see 30 more of us sitting indian style in the parking lot trying hard not to look at the hot women walking around in summer clothing...then the bus arrived...next stop, yellow footprints.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 01:35 PM (7N6ox)

712 WinLinBSDAdmin, where were/are you from? I recruited in North Austin to Dimebox, Lexington, Giddings, Manor, Elgin and Pfluegerville, the last 16 months I was able to swing the Officer Selection Assistant at UT Austin because the SSgt transferred, the MSgt retired and the Navy Chief Corpsman were removed.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 01:39 PM (7N6ox)

713 Did they used to have a lot of free titles or do you mean the lending library?

I think this is an expanded version, similar to Prime video, including magazines and comic books.

Posted by: @votermom's phone at October 07, 2016 11:08 AM (lboSL)

Isn't that what this is? I didn't get the impression it was a free book you got to keep.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 07, 2016 01:41 PM (mpXpK)

714 My Homecoming was less than Stellar and was nothing like that painting.

Posted by: obsidian at October 07, 2016 12:59 PM

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However tardy this may be, thank you for your service and welcome home.

Posted by: Lurkette at October 07, 2016 01:47 PM (jVlNS)

715 712 WinLinBSDAdmin, where were/are you from? I recruited in North Austin to Dimebox, Lexington, Giddings, Manor, Elgin and Pfluegerville, the last 16 months I was able to swing the Officer Selection Assistant at UT Austin because the SSgt transferred, the MSgt retired and the Navy Chief Corpsman were removed.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 01:39 PM (7N6ox)
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From San Antonio, TX so it wasn't a long trip for my parents to drop me off at the MEPS station.

711 It was a bitterly cold morning when I left the MEPS in Minneapolis, 6 of us on our flight to San Diego, we were shocked to see 30 more of us sitting indian style in the parking lot trying hard not to look at the hot women walking around in summer clothing...then the bus arrived...next stop, yellow footprints.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 01:35 PM (7N6ox)
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The flight was late getting into San Diego so we didn't get the "chance" to see any hotties at the airport. Of course we were blamed for coming in late. Good times, good times.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 07, 2016 01:48 PM (B11vO)

716 640 Applying command to a rank is the sign of belonging to a lesser service that needs to imply what the persons job is. Marines have a Sergeant Major, we know what his job and position is. I still prefer being a Master Gunnery Sergeant, that means I know what the hell I am doing.

It's always hilarious to hear jarheads try to big themselves up at the expense of the United States Army. The Army has, on numerous occasions, proven critical to the survival of the nation itself. The Marine Corps can make no such claim-as anyone who learned heir military history somewhere besides Parris Island or San Diego knows. I'm sure this will drive the yapping teufelhunden into spasms of apoplexy, but that doesn't make it any the less true.

Posted by: 68W58 at October 07, 2016 01:58 PM (pBSGg)

717 Wonderful picture. I stared at it for so long I got dust or something in my eyes.

Posted by: John Marshall at October 07, 2016 02:12 PM (5hjXu)

718 716 640 Applying command to a rank is the sign of belonging to a lesser service that needs to imply what the persons job is. Marines have a Sergeant Major, we know what his job and position is. I still prefer being a Master Gunnery Sergeant, that means I know what the hell I am doing.

It's always hilarious to hear jarheads try to big themselves up at the expense of the United States Army. The Army has, on numerous occasions, proven critical to the survival of the nation itself. The Marine Corps can make no such claim-as anyone who learned heir military history somewhere besides Parris Island or San Diego knows. I'm sure this will drive the yapping teufelhunden into spasms of apoplexy, but that doesn't make it any the less true.
Posted by: 68W58 at October 07, 2016 01:58 PM (pBSGg)
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Someone got their widdle feewings hurt?

BTW, the Army and Marines have different mission specifications in case you didn't know that. Heck, I give soldiers I meet crap all the time, they give it right back. I wouldn't want it any other way.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 07, 2016 02:14 PM (B11vO)

719 Someone got their widdle feewings hurt?

BTW, the Army and Marines have different mission specifications in case you didn't know that. Heck, I give soldiers I meet crap all the time, they give it right back. I wouldn't want it any other way.

No. Someone-me-recited the actual military history of this great nation in response to someone else-you-popping off his mouth about a "lesser service". Of those "different mission specifications" who has the capacity to duplicate those and whose mission ihas prove critical, repeatedly, to the survival of the nation.

"Lesser service" my white ass.

Posted by: 68W58 at October 07, 2016 02:24 PM (pBSGg)

720 It was the Mouse that made the lesser service crack.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 07, 2016 02:34 PM (Y8eZh)

721 720 It was the Mouse that made the lesser service crack.

You're correct. I withdraw that part of my response to WinLinBSDAdmin.

Posted by: 68W58 at October 07, 2016 02:37 PM (pBSGg)

722 No. Someone-me-recited the actual military history of this great nation in response to someone else-you-popping off his mouth about a "lesser service". Of those "different mission specifications" who has the capacity to duplicate those and whose mission ihas prove critical, repeatedly, to the survival of the nation.

"Lesser service" my white ass.
Posted by: 68W58 at October 07, 2016 02:24 PM (pBSGg)

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Calm down Francis.

"Lesser service" my white ass." - Heh. I remember visiting an Army base which had some personnel from the 82nd Airborne deployed there at the same time. I remember them looking down at the regular Army people with quite the disdain and treating us as peers. Sorry, there is some truth in the "lesser service" aspect as much as you don't want to admit it. The people are only as good as the standards you want to enforce. At that Army base the Airborne personnel were complaining about the lack of it in the regular Army personnel. Just my experience-not universal by any means.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 07, 2016 02:41 PM (B11vO)

723 yeah, I just added myself back into this. Still, just my experience.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 07, 2016 02:42 PM (B11vO)

724 Calm down Francis.

"Lesser service" my white ass." - Heh. I remember visiting an Army base which had some personnel from the 82nd Airborne deployed there at the same time. I remember them looking down at the regular Army people with quite the disdain and treating us as peers. Sorry, there is some truth in the "lesser service" aspect as much as you don't want to admit it. The people are only as good as the standards you want to enforce. At that Army base the Airborne personnel were complaining about the lack of it in the regular Army personnel. Just my experience-not universal by any means.

Get bent over your little "calm down Francis" bit.

The dirt darts can look down their nose if they like, but they are a redundancy and their mission is an anachronism (much like amphibious operations). Sorry, but the "greater service" has a long and proud history it can point to-and that is the regular, straight-leg, United States Army (normally supplemented by its reserve components). You're struggling with this vital truth, but you can't deny it. You also can't accept iit, which is too bad-sucks to be you.

Posted by: 68W58 at October 07, 2016 02:50 PM (pBSGg)

725 Wow, unleashed a serious case of butthurt here. The Marines have been here since the Revolutionary War, fighting the British just like our US Army peers. Relax Francis.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 02:51 PM (7N6ox)

726 My experience is that there are service rivalries, component rivalries, branch/MOS rivalries, and there is a fine line between friendly ball-breaking and real disrespect. I've seen plenty of blue falcons on deployments and it's almost always rivalry bullshit gone wrong or subordinates who misinterpreted those kinds of remarks. I don't disrespect other services and I don't disrespect other components or MOS because an IED or rocket can take out the gung-Ho just like it can take out the remf. Whatevs

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 07, 2016 02:56 PM (Y8eZh)

727 Wow, unleashed a serious case of butthurt here. The Marines have been here since the Revolutionary War, fighting the British just like our US Army peers. Relax Francis.

Oh, so we're peers now and not the "lesser service". Well, why didn't you say so in the first place? Of course, if you look back at the actual combat history of the nation, you'll find that the vast majority of the heavy lifting was done by one of those "peers", guess which one. Sorry, but I think the butt hurt comes from me pointing out the truth. Doesn't bother me to do it, but it seems to bother you guys to hear it.

Posted by: 68W58 at October 07, 2016 02:58 PM (pBSGg)

728 Get bent over your little "calm down Francis" bit. - I deserve that hit-shouldn't have written that.

The dirt darts can look down their nose if they like, but they are a redundancy and their mission is an anachronism (much like amphibious operations). - In this age of mobile small unit ops against terrorist groups, I utterly disagree with that.

Sorry, but the "greater service" has a long and proud history it can point to-and that is the regular, straight-leg, United States Army (normally supplemented by its reserve components). You're struggling with this vital truth, but you can't deny it. You also can't accept iit, which is too bad-sucks to be you. - You are in denial since your explanation doesn't make the least bit of sense. If the Army could do everything, the other forces wouldn't be needed.

The funny thing is to me is that if you actually saw the regular Army personnel that I'm speaking of, I'd bet you would have agreed with me. Since those regular personnel exhibited such low standards unbecoming of Army personnel (by your talk it seems), then it is an Army problem to correct.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 07, 2016 03:01 PM (B11vO)

729 726 My experience is that there are service rivalries, component rivalries, branch/MOS rivalries, and there is a fine line between friendly ball-breaking and real disrespect. I've seen plenty of blue falcons on deployments and it's almost always rivalry bullshit gone wrong or subordinates who misinterpreted those kinds of remarks. I don't disrespect other services and I don't disrespect other components or MOS because an IED or rocket can take out the gung-Ho just like it can take out the remf. Whatevs

I don't really disagree with that, but I've heard Marines run down the Army too many times just to let it go. The actual history seems to shock many of them and they seem to have all sorts of trouble wrapping their minds around it. Too bad for them.

Posted by: 68W58 at October 07, 2016 03:02 PM (pBSGg)

730 726 My experience is that there are service rivalries, component rivalries, branch/MOS rivalries, and there is a fine line between friendly ball-breaking and real disrespect. I've seen plenty of blue falcons on deployments and it's almost always rivalry bullshit gone wrong or subordinates who misinterpreted those kinds of remarks. I don't disrespect other services and I don't disrespect other components or MOS because an IED or rocket can take out the gung-Ho just like it can take out the remf. Whatevs
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 07, 2016 02:56 PM (Y8eZh)
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Agreed.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 07, 2016 03:04 PM (B11vO)

731 728 Get bent over your little "calm down Francis" bit. - I deserve that hit-shouldn't have written that.

The dirt darts can look down their nose if they like, but they are a redundancy and their mission is an anachronism (much like amphibious operations). - In this age of mobile small unit ops against terrorist groups, I utterly disagree with that.

Sorry, but the "greater service" has a long and proud history it can point to-and that is the regular, straight-leg, United States Army (normally supplemented by its reserve components). You're struggling with this vital truth, but you can't deny it. You also can't accept iit, which is too bad-sucks to be you. - You are in denial since your explanation doesn't make the least bit of sense. If the Army could do everything, the other forces wouldn't be needed.

The funny thing is to me is that if you actually saw the regular Army personnel that I'm speaking of, I'd bet you would have agreed with me. Since those regular personnel exhibited such low standards unbecoming of Army personnel (by your talk it seems), then it is an Army problem to correct.

I've seen regular units that were less professional than reservists, so what? It's the Army and its mission as a whole I'm talking about. As a force the Army has a mission that is of primary importance to the defense of the nation. The fact that some units may consider themselves more "elite" and above others because of it doesn't change the role of the institution as a whole.

Posted by: 68W58 at October 07, 2016 03:08 PM (pBSGg)

732 I've seen regular units that were less professional than reservists, so what?

-In the Corps, when that happened the bad actors in the questionable unit got their asses kicked. Guess what? No more "dirtbag" problems.

It's the Army and its mission as a whole I'm talking about. As a force the Army has a mission that is of primary importance to the defense of the nation.

-No argument here.

The fact that some units may consider themselves more "elite" and above others because of it doesn't change the role of the institution as a whole.
Posted by: 68W58 at October 07, 2016 03:08 PM (pBSGg)

-The "elite" went through some ball-busting training. They do deserve respect for that.

The problem with the "role of the institution as a whole." is that the most messed up members can bring down an entire unit. Screw that-get rid of the cancer to keep standards up.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 07, 2016 03:22 PM (B11vO)

733 Great googilly moogilly, outside of the drive to Berlin, can you name a single war or combat action that the Marines were not there beside the Army? No, you can't. We have been there side by side. Or it certainly seems that the Army was nearby in Iraq and and around us in Helmand Province. But, we did our jobs fairly damn well. So if you can't handle a little interservice jab...too fuckin' bad. And I am studying history, right now, World War II, HIST 360, just finished WWI HIST 355. The Marines have acquitted ourselves quite well and proudly over 240 years...and this is from "real" historians and not our own individual propaganda that we are "brainwashed" with in our far more challenging bootcamp.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 03:26 PM (7N6ox)

734
732 I've seen regular units that were less professional than reservists, so what?

-In the Corps, when that happened the bad actors in the questionable unit got their asses kicked. Guess what? No more "dirtbag" problems.

It's the Army and its mission as a whole I'm talking about. As a force the Army has a mission that is of primary importance to the defense of the nation.

-No argument here.

The fact that some units may consider themselves more "elite" and above others because of it doesn't change the role of the institution as a whole.
Posted by: 68W58 at October 07, 2016 03:08 PM (pBSGg)

-The "elite" went through some ball-busting training. They do deserve respect for that.

The problem with the "role of the institution as a whole." is that the most messed up members can bring down an entire unit. Screw that-get rid of the cancer to keep standards up.

Actually, I'm not sure that I agree with you about the role of "elites". SF go thru "ball busting training", but they are insufficient to win wars by themselves. And, as Red Wings and Gothic Serpent demonstrate, they often have to be bailed out by dull, plodding regulars. I think our political class is overly enamores by the image of Special Forces as some sort of supermen who can bring them victories on the cheap, which is fantasy.

Oh, and don't kid yourself, I've seen a couple of Marine units that were no great shakes either. The Marine units at the start of the GWOT made some mistakes because they thought they were better than the guys who they were relieving that had been running the mission. They learned from it and applied the lessons like good troops, but it happened.

Posted by: 68W58 at October 07, 2016 03:33 PM (pBSGg)

735 -In the Corps, when that happened the bad actors in the questionable unit got their asses kicked. Guess what? No more "dirtbag" problems.

I should add that a number of times there were administrative discharges when the above didn't work out.

To sum, I think it was a true warrior culture that I didn't deserve to be rated with the people I served with.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 07, 2016 03:39 PM (B11vO)

736 733 Great googilly moogilly, outside of the drive to Berlin, can you name a single war or combat action that the Marines were not there beside the Army? No, you can't. We have been there side by side. Or it certainly seems that the Army was nearby in Iraq and and around us in Helmand Province. But, we did our jobs fairly damn well. So if you can't handle a little interservice jab...too fuckin' bad. And I am studying history, right now, World War II, HIST 360, just finished WWI HIST 355. The Marines have acquitted ourselves quite well and proudly over 240 years...and this is from "real" historians and not our own individual propaganda that we are "brainwashed" with in our far more challenging bootcamp

And here's another one whose ignorance is proudly on display. Do you want me to go chronologically or in order of importance?

There is, just off the top of my head, the Saratoga campaign and the Southern campaign (from Cowpens to Guilfird courthouse) in the revolution. In The Civil War there is almost every campaign except Fort Fisher. And I n World War II Marines had very little role in North Africa or Italy . I'll leave the Indian wars aside for the moment.

I really shouldn't be surprised, I was had a retired Marine E-7, a man with 22 years of service tell me that the Marines had been awarded the MOH more than any other service. He was quite shocked to see the actual numbers.

Posted by: 68W58 at October 07, 2016 03:46 PM (pBSGg)

737 Actually, I'm not sure that I agree with you about the role of "elites". SF go thru "ball busting training", but they are insufficient to win wars by themselves.

-I'm sure every spec ops guy would agree with you on that.

And, as Red Wings and Gothic Serpent demonstrate, they often have to be bailed out by dull, plodding regulars.

-See above.

I think our political class is overly enamores by the image of Special Forces as some sort of supermen who can bring them victories on the cheap, which is fantasy.

-Agreed.

Oh, and don't kid yourself, I've seen a couple of Marine units that were no great shakes either. The Marine units at the start of the GWOT made some mistakes because they thought they were better than the guys who they were relieving that had been running the mission. They learned from it and applied the lessons like good troops, but it happened.

-I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt but I have to wonder if the transfer of information due to fog of war or some other phenomenon caused this. It was a serious item to create the best patrol/combat plan for your squad with the information at hand (I was only a NCO).

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 07, 2016 03:53 PM (B11vO)

738 I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt but I have to wonder if the transfer of information due to fog of war or some other phenomenon caused this. It was a serious item to create the best patrol/combat plan for your squad with the information at hand (I was only a NCO).

Maybe, but I specifically remember in 2004 when the Marines returned to theater to take over the mission in Anbar province there was more than a little trash talk about how they were going to show the Army (specifically the 82nd) how it was done.

Per my handle I was "only" an NCO myself-never go over to the dark side.

Posted by: 68W58 at October 07, 2016 03:59 PM (pBSGg)

739 Maybe, but I specifically remember in 2004 when the Marines returned to theater to take over the mission in Anbar province there was more than a little trash talk about how they were going to show the Army (specifically the 82nd) how it was done.

-Probably unseasoned Marines. Not very smart-especially in a combat zone. Pride goeth before destruction and all that.

Per my handle I was "only" an NCO myself-never go over to the dark side.

-Try dating a zero's daughter. You are seen as less than a civilian.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 07, 2016 04:09 PM (B11vO)

740 Before I get dick punched, I was in Monterey when the 7th Infantry Division was still at Fort Ord, we had plenty of creative differences at the DLI enlisted club.

I deployed twice to the DMZ, our HQ at Warrior Base just south of PanMunChom, coming off the hillsides, we spent 3 days in pleasant rapport with our peers of 2d ID in SonURi and TongDuChon (TDC).

I was assigned for 2 years to Camp Humphries in Pyong Taek, Korea lots of guidon stealing and Commander's Cup sports rivalries but shared taverns and music request lists...also spending Jan/Feb 91 with the 102d MI Bn deployed on a hilltop, and a few other missions out of the JSA living with the soldiers in their barracks.

I spent my second deployment to Iraq as the Marine liaison to the Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force Arabian Peninsula in Balad or as the Army called it Anaconda. The Commander of the Task Force was also Commander 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), he put Master Sergeant on my collar when I was selected for promotion.

I was also the Intelligence Chief for the Joint Special Operations Task Force Philippines in Zamboanga City working with 1st and 2d Battalions of 1st SFG (A)...I was selected to Master Gunnery Sergeant and it was the Commander who arranged for me to be promoted with a Philippine Marine ceremony. That Colonel was the SFOD-D Commander whose squadron actually pulled Saddam out of the spiderhole..., early in his Special Forces career; he would see two of his sniper platoon give their lives to protect a downed helicopter.

I will have some fun with the Army, but I have been around them plenty and have good friendships and experiences with soldiers. I respect the Army and worked hard to ensure that they respected me as well. I made a flippant comment and apologize if you took offense.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 04:45 PM (7N6ox)

741 740 Before I get dick punched, I was in Monterey when the 7th Infantry Division was still at Fort Ord, we had plenty of creative differences at the DLI enlisted club.

I deployed twice to the DMZ, our HQ at Warrior Base just south of PanMunChom, coming off the hillsides, we spent 3 days in pleasant rapport with our peers of 2d ID in SonURi and TongDuChon (TDC).

I was assigned for 2 years to Camp Humphries in Pyong Taek, Korea lots of guidon stealing and Commander's Cup sports rivalries but shared taverns and music request lists...also spending Jan/Feb 91 with the 102d MI Bn deployed on a hilltop, and a few other missions out of the JSA living with the soldiers in their barracks.

I spent my second deployment to Iraq as the Marine liaison to the Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force Arabian Peninsula in Balad or as the Army called it Anaconda. The Commander of the Task Force was also Commander 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), he put Master Sergeant on my collar when I was selected for promotion.

I was also the Intelligence Chief for the Joint Special Operations Task Force Philippines in Zamboanga City working with 1st and 2d Battalions of 1st SFG (A)...I was selected to Master Gunnery Sergeant and it was the Commander who arranged for me to be promoted with a Philippine Marine ceremony. That Colonel was the SFOD-D Commander whose squadron actually pulled Saddam out of the spiderhole..., early in his Special Forces career; he would see two of his sniper platoon give their lives to protect a downed helicopter.

I will have some fun with the Army, but I have been around them plenty and have good friendships and experiences with soldiers. I respect the Army and worked hard to ensure that they respected me as well. I made a flippant comment and apologize if you took offense.

Ok-I appreciate you saying that and taking the time to talk about your experience. I realize that I was provocative in my reply to your original remark and I apologize for that. Thanks for your service to our nation and best of luck to you in the future.

Posted by: 68W58 at October 07, 2016 04:53 PM (pBSGg)

742 We chase the same flag, and watched our brothers and sisters go home covered by it. Thank you for your service too.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at October 07, 2016 05:13 PM (7N6ox)

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