Politico Founder Jim Van Der Hei: I've Always Defended the Media Against Bias Charges, But This Year, They've Proven Themselves to Be Hyperpartisan Embarrassments

Even the media is now embarrassed by the media.

In a way they never did before like I've said this before. I've always been a defender of the media. I think these accusations of bias are usually overdone. I think that thatís all out the door, all out the window in this campaign. I think reporters have become so biased, so partisan, particularly on Twitter.

He added:

"Go look at the Twitter feeds of the reporters from your major newspapers -- The New York Times, The Washington Post, others - -and tell me if those are things that they would say on TV or that would have ever been acceptable in previous campaigns....Just let the facts be out there and let people make a judgment."

Twitter is an interesting phenomenon (if a dreadful one). It puts the spotlight on a person's narcissism, and each person's desire to show off and preen and signal for his Tribe acts as a kind of ego-fueled truth serum to confess things he ought really not confess.

Posted by: Ace at 12:27 PM




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1 Morning, Ace.

Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2016 12:29 PM (5Vm+C)

2 They are who we thought they were

Posted by: Mr Pink at October 05, 2016 12:29 PM (qA6R4)

3 Something like LBJ saying, "If I lost Cronkite, I've lost Middle America."?

Posted by: Auscolpyr at October 05, 2016 12:30 PM (suO/a)

4 Twitter does what Bill Cosby used to say cocaine did - it "enhances your personality".

But, what if you are an asshole?

Posted by: Roy at October 05, 2016 12:30 PM (VndSC)

5 The mainstream media regards me and mine as subhuman filth who at the least need to be in a reeducation camp or, best case scenario, hounded to death by the government.

Posted by: kathysaysso at October 05, 2016 12:30 PM (43OZ6)

6 If Van Der Hei thinks you are biased...

Posted by: blaster at October 05, 2016 12:30 PM (tewYv)

7 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at October 05, 2016 12:30 PM (uPt3V)

8 I do all of my preening here.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2016 12:31 PM (9mTYi)

9 7x2

Posted by: Golfman at October 05, 2016 12:31 PM (61k9d)

10 The NYT of the internet is embarrassed by the MFM now???? I am shocked.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 05, 2016 12:31 PM (mpXpK)

11 But Drudge and Fox are not biased?
Why would anyone expect media to NOT be biased?
You buy what you want with media

Posted by: him at October 05, 2016 12:31 PM (epLyw)

12 In a way they never did before like I've said this before. I've always been a defender of the media. I think these accusations of bias are usually overdone.



None are so blind that they refuse too see. As he picked up a hammer and saw.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2016 12:31 PM (Bd48Y)

13 Next up - Hillary calls out the MFM for lying.

Posted by: Roy at October 05, 2016 12:32 PM (VndSC)

14 It's funny that the purveyors of a widely distributed medium don't get that Twitter is public and is, in fact, a widely distributed medium. But then nobody in J-School is rocket surgeon.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at October 05, 2016 12:32 PM (RD7QR)

15 Oh nonsense.


The distortion ("bias" is such an inadequate word, it is inaccurate and misleading in itself) of the press has been off-the-charts for many years.


Omission (a powerful form of lying), and framework. Omission, and framework.


Just try to have an intelligent discussion with an "intelligent", "informed" NPR listener.


It's not just that they "know" things that aren't true. It's not just that they don't know about so much pertinent stuff that IS true.


Their entire framework for even understanding an issue, even if if they had and understood the facts, is false.


Posted by: rhomboid at October 05, 2016 12:32 PM (QDnY+)

16 The mask is off...

Posted by: JEM at October 05, 2016 12:32 PM (TppKb)

17 Horse hockey, he's not embarrassed. CYA on the record for when he does it.

Posted by: Cindy Munford at October 05, 2016 12:32 PM (3uOKP)

18 I think ALL social media was best described this way (author unknown)

" It used to be that people got mad at you for reading their diary. Now they get mad at you if you don't."



That's why I do not participate in any social media other than commenting here.

Social media is a window to your naked soul.


And no one wants to see your nasty nekkid soul!

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 12:33 PM (zu88C)

19 Why is # 6 not disappearing?

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 05, 2016 12:33 PM (O2RFr)

20 Twitter is an interesting phenomenon (if a dreadful one).

If people with a great deal of authority are going to act as responsibly, morally, and intelligentlyly as a high school clique organizer, and they are, I'd like to shine as much light on that as possible.

Go Twitter.

Posted by: AD at October 05, 2016 12:33 PM (0gcA3)

21 I think even LIVs are noticing now that the media has really crossed the line this campaign.

That's why you see this feedback loop of the media getting shriller and shriller not really doing anything to Trump's chances.

The race is still tied according to the same MSM polls from the same organizations we all know are doing everything they can to sink Trump/Pence and are supposed to trust and not question.

Posted by: Maritime at October 05, 2016 12:33 PM (hm8zK)

22 If ignorance is truly bliss, then lefty journalists must be in a state of constant orgasm.

Posted by: kathysaysso at October 05, 2016 12:34 PM (43OZ6)

23 I've had twitter for a million years and only tweet to shame airlines into finding my lost luggage. They jump on disparaging tweets quick. Not sure what kind of tribe I belong to.

Posted by: nckate at October 05, 2016 12:34 PM (Eb5Hw)

24 The only thing that would make this more poignant would be to have Comey come out and declare that the media had no intent to be hyperpartisan - dressed in a weasel suit.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 05, 2016 12:34 PM (4ng05)

25 But if they don't post their reverence to Twitter, how will they ever compete for their slots in the New Media Ministry!!!

Posted by: Colossus of Ben Rhodes at October 05, 2016 12:35 PM (EqtM7)

26 I quit Twitter, it is a time suck and a cesspool

Posted by: Yo! at October 05, 2016 12:35 PM (uPt3V)

27 Comey come out and declare that the media had no intent to be hyperpartisan - dressed in a weasel suit.

His regular attire...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 05, 2016 12:35 PM (O2RFr)

28 twitter!
I get to brag that Scott Adams agrees with me that Tim Kaine looks like PBH
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/783444264080506880

Posted by: Votermom watching a Spanish show at October 05, 2016 12:35 PM (Om16U)

29 27
I quit Twitter, it is a time suck and a cesspool

Posted by: Yo! at October 05, 2016 12:35 PM (uPt3V)

I figured it was the bathroom wall of the internet.

Posted by: kathysaysso at October 05, 2016 12:35 PM (43OZ6)

30 Oh nonsense.


The distortion ("bias" is such an inadequate word, it is inaccurate and misleading in itself) of the press has been off-the-charts for many years.


Posted by: rhomboid


The media has been liberal for a while, but what we're seeing now is a whole different ballgame.

Posted by: Maritime at October 05, 2016 12:35 PM (hm8zK)

31 Hillary woils scold the media to for beating in Trump to score points if she had any self awareness and understood that the consent badgering helps Trump. The enemy of my enemy?

Posted by: Czar Peter at October 05, 2016 12:35 PM (r+scm)

32 12 But Drudge and Fox are not biased?
Why would anyone expect media to NOT be biased?
You buy what you want with media
Posted by: him at October 05, 2016 12:31 PM (epLyw)


The fact the media won't admit they're biased and act as though they're just coolly assessing facts and events drives us as nuts as the fact they're actually biased.

When they admit it, let's talk.

Posted by: AD at October 05, 2016 12:36 PM (0gcA3)

33 The words F-O-A-H come to mind.


And NO this is nothing new, they were just despicable in their slant when came to Sarah Palin.


**SPiT**


Posted by: dananjcon at October 05, 2016 12:37 PM (NpXoL)

34 You don't have to have seen it from the inside to understand, but having done so lends quite a bit of color and detail.


One thing that was occasionally stunning and almost encouraging was to see smart, fair-minded journalists in the field having their work stomped/spiked/changed by idiots back in New York, Paris, or London.


One came to me screaming oaths at his editors, he even printed out his raw filing to compare with what was on the wires under his byline. It completely changed (distorted, lied about) the facts he had reported.


Oddly, it was non-Americans who were generally the best. (oh - not Europeans, other foreigners)

Posted by: rhomboid at October 05, 2016 12:38 PM (QDnY+)

35 him troller sounds like person

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 05, 2016 12:38 PM (M+Lyo)

36 Look for a short term burst of "honest" reporting about trivial issues that t make the Dems look bad but don't really do any damage, followed by a return to the status quo ante, all in the service of reestablishing their nonexistent bona fides.

Posted by: pep at October 05, 2016 12:38 PM (3e8zv)

37 Answer to 26 -

Perhaps if they lay in a good stock of napkins to clean themselves between sessions

Posted by: Colossus of Ben Rhodes at October 05, 2016 12:39 PM (EqtM7)

38

People used to get fired for this stuff.

Now, only conservatives do.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 05, 2016 12:39 PM (qCMvj)

39 Ace and others are correct about twitter and narcissism and it applies to all social media. I do still log into twitter a few times a day and if I see ace has posted a string of tweets I'll stay, if not I'm usually logging off quickly which proves a point he made when he first stopped posting as much about providing content for nothing in return.

Posted by: kahall at October 05, 2016 12:39 PM (xTgLs)

40 Look for a short term burst of "honest" reporting about trivial issues that t make the Dems look bad but don't really do any damage, followed by a return to the status quo ante, all in the service of reestablishing their nonexistent bona fides.
Posted by: pep




Exactly, they'll be "hard" on a Democrat as soon as the Election is well behind them and they can safely scold without it effecting any votes.

And then they'll make sure to draw some comparison about how Republicans do it too.

Posted by: Maritime at October 05, 2016 12:40 PM (hm8zK)

41 But Drudge and Fox are not biased?
Why would anyone expect media to NOT be biased?
You buy what you want with media
Posted by: him at October 05, 2016 12:31 PM (epLyw)


because we have all had it

Like Andrew Breitbart said: "War!"

Damn right. I'm sick of it. Someone has to fight back.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 05, 2016 12:40 PM (qCMvj)

42 Even the media is now embarrassed by the media.

So skanky, spirochete-infested crack whores don't like being called out as crack whores?

Who knew?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 12:41 PM (X6fMO)

43 The media has been liberal for a while, but what we're seeing now is a whole different ballgame.


Posted by: Maritime

--

I agree. The media used to slant things toward their party. Now, they outright lie, and present opinion as fact, which used to be a big no no.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 05, 2016 12:41 PM (7ZVPa)

44 He's just taking out a "bias insurance policy" to match Cilizza's in the Post this morning. Surprising more people haven't covered their six with such a cheap, utilitarian disclaimer.

Posted by: General Zod at October 05, 2016 12:41 PM (Bdeb0)

45 They were biased before this, but I think the 1992 election (Clinton I) was when they first eagerly jumped into outright cutthroat lying and deception. Every election since, they've amped it up higher and now they're openly acting as a wing of the Clinton campaign.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 05, 2016 12:41 PM (0Wg/j)

46 Twitter is an interesting phenomenon (if a dreadful one). It puts the spotlight on a person's narcissism, and each person's desire to show off and preen and signal for his Tribe acts as a kind of ego-fueled truth serum to confess things he ought really not confess.


I was going to dispute this for me but then again, I do use twitter very much to signal my allegiance to the Tribe by which I mean the Cleveland Indians. So, yes, yes I do signal my Tribe.

I think there's a difference in kind between someone who should be using twitter for professional advancements and, well, me, for whom twitter is a way to make snarky comments back and forth with friends and to look at corgi videos. Do I virtue signal some? Of course I do. But I have no illusions at all that I am advancing the Narrative or whatever. Nope. All I'm doing is preening about. That's it.

I do not comprehend this bit where professionals lose their ever loving minds and just blurt stuff out. The hell. If you have that little self control, don't go on twitter. Set it up to auto tweet out links to your articles so you get the precious page views but then stay away. It's easy if you try.

I enjoy twitter but when it dies I will miss it for approximately .234 seconds because it's not important in tne least.

Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 05, 2016 12:41 PM (mf5HN)

47 As if on cue:

https://tinyurl.com/jmlwqcn

Steve Harvey "interview" scripted by Clinton.

Steve Harvey. Serious interviewer. He'll never have to worry about laying claim to that on his resume.

This makes him look like a tool and an utter idiot. I hope it was worth it for him.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 05, 2016 12:42 PM (4ng05)

48 Ok, it was answer to 25

Posted by: Colossus of Ben Rhodes at October 05, 2016 12:42 PM (EqtM7)

49 You buy what you want with media

No, as long as the press gets to control and distort the debates, we don't get what we buy. We didn't buy the bias; it's just presented to us and we have to accept it.

Posted by: pep at October 05, 2016 12:43 PM (3e8zv)

50 In a way they never did before like I've said this before. I've always been a defender of the media. I think these accusations of bias are usually overdone.
---------

Yeah. Well, here is 45 sec. video of Rachel Maddow after Clinton/Maddow 'debate'.

Ever seen a 'moderator' hug a candidate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy5zwiMBu6Y

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2016 12:43 PM (9mTYi)

51 He is not embarrassed by the partisanship; he is embarrassed by the open display of partisanship. They have taken away his plausible deniability and he resents them for that.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 05, 2016 12:43 PM (R+30W)

52 But Drudge and Fox are not biased?

Drudge is not a 'journalist.' He links to others.

And Fox? Fox is the biggest NeverTrump echo chamber around.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 05, 2016 12:43 PM (r2iuB)

53 "If people with a great deal of authority are going
to act as responsibly, morally, and intelligentlyly as a high school
clique organizer, and they are, I'd like to shine as much light on that
as possible.
"Go Twitter.

Posted by: AD

amen

Cronkite got his Globalist Government award in 1999, and Hillary chimed in as FLOTUS praising that lofty goal (new world order, which Soros wants to destroy the west to establish). Cronkite even spoke then of how he couldn't come out (of the commie closet) back in his day, people were not ready.

The commie machine was alive and well for decades, Obama and Hillary had such mentors early on, and Chicago seems to be the HQ (even on the Chicago School of economics, in a certain globalist sense). It's hardly even a conspiracy theory anymore.

Twitter exposes those that can't hide anymore, if only because the arrogance gets the better of them. But the MFM still sets the narrative for many/most.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 05, 2016 12:43 PM (n6rAX)

54 The fact the media won't admit they're biased and act as though they're just coolly assessing facts and events drives us as nuts as the fact they're actually biased.

You are nuts. We rate this claim as mostly true!

Posted by: Your totally unbiased superiors in the media at October 05, 2016 12:43 PM (pjHqs)

55 Jim Van Der Hei subscribes to the Weekly Standard and National Review???

Posted by: andycanuck at October 05, 2016 12:44 PM (LdMbv)

56 One down, 1,758,232 to go...

And why should we be impressed with his opinion anyway? Its not like he's been the poster boy for un-biased reporting.

Posted by: Dansgirls at October 05, 2016 12:44 PM (xBbs+)

57 If you have that little self control, don't go on twitter.

Please send this to DT.

Posted by: pep at October 05, 2016 12:44 PM (3e8zv)

58 translation:

Van der hei to his fellow libs: "If you guys would stop with the partisan tweeting, it would be easier to fool people. You guys are ruining it for us."

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (fgOnp)

59 How much is that they hate Trump and how much is it that past unaccountability has emboldened them?

Posted by: deplorable shillelagh at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (L3vVL)

60 I think the thing about the debate last night that did Kaine in was that Kaine knew he had Elaine! Excuse me, Elaine! on his side but that wasnt enough for him. He had to constantly interrupt Pence as well his friend Elaine making him look like a jackass. It wore thin as time went on and worked against Kaine in the end.

That strategy worked for Biden against Ryan. Why didn't it work this time?

Posted by: L, Elle at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (L9GR7)

61 I've had twitter for a million years and only tweet to shame airlines into finding my lost luggage. They jump on disparaging tweets quick. Not sure what kind of tribe I belong to.


Posted by: nckate at October 05, 2016 12:34 PM (Eb5Hw)




A cargo cult?

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (uiwCw)

62 No, Maritime, it's far worse than that, has been for a long time, and any current "excesses" are only those of style.


And I'm not just talking about an actual partisan topic like a binary presidential election.


I'm talking about how people even form their "understanding" of a subject - even one affecting their lives, concretely.


One can see it here, regularly. Discussions of key topics from a "right" perspective that are almost as silly as the idiocy one sees from an NPR type - because the entire framework is STILL the same one crippling the NPR types.


Whatever. Inertia and good luck are the only things making a decent future possible now. If some of the Beltway (mindset, not just geography) start saying things like this from embarrassment, it can't hurt.


It gives "permission" to the highly educated, successful, remarkably ignorant and policy-stupid suburban voters to acknowledge those little stirrings of doubt caused by the increasingly histrionic distortion that has replaced any semblance of journalism.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (QDnY+)

63 Ego is the enemy.

Posted by: Max Power at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (q177U)

64 So -

Let me get this straight. Up until now the media was worthy of being defended and was not biased at all; but now, suddenly, with no warning whatsoever, not even an inkling, they are full of jackassery and completely biased? Talk about "missing the forest through the trees!" You know if this guys is actually being honest then he has been the most clueless idiot on the planet for his entire life and every decision he has ever made must be questioned completely.

By the way, Van Der Hei sounds like a completely made up name, sort of like Iowahawk's "T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII," doesn't it? Are we sure this is a real guy and not a pseudonym?

Pax Ex

Posted by: Publius Redux at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (Fb9aZ)

65 The idea that the media could be bias free was always stupid. It may be a laudable goal, but it is almost impossible. Bias is part of being a human.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:46 PM (gmeXX)

66 Media biased?! When did this happen!!

Posted by: tu3031 at October 05, 2016 12:46 PM (qJhUV)

67 Even more than the crappy below the belt/22 years ago stories they're trying to "GOTCHA!" Trump with, are the myriad Clinton world stories that are either
1) completely ignored or,
2) "reported," then minimized in the next sentence.

That kind of sycophantic devotion would make Stalin blush.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 05, 2016 12:47 PM (SeD0w)

68 Comey come out and declare that the media had no intent to be hyperpartisan - dressed in a weasel suit.

His regular attire...
Posted by: deplorable donna at October 05, 2016 12:35 PM (O2RFr)

Just watched a bit of Outnumbered at lunch. They were discussing the debate last night and how Kaine interrupted so much, that even CBS developed an interruption chart of Kaine's behavior last night.

They replayed Kaine talking about how Comey said no "reasonable" prosecutor would prosecute this case, which means Hillary and her staff did nothing illegal.

I loathe Comey for not only sabotaging this investigation, but also for inserting that Democrat talking point at their behest in his remarks. I hear that same thing over and over from dumbass Democrats and Liberals, how Hillary and her staff did nothing illegal because even Comey said no one would prosecute them for what he found.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 05, 2016 12:47 PM (ntZAP)

69 Does the Gorde count as my "tribe"? Also, when do we break out the feathered headdresses?

Posted by: pookysgirl at October 05, 2016 12:47 PM (ar2KI)

70 And I agree with #40; this is just battlespace prep for a Trump presidency. All Politico is really saying is, "OK, we're so in the tank for Scankles that even our DC friends are embarrassed. So let's put out a few articles decrying the state of media bias, then when Trump wins, we can kick him in the teeth every day and pretend that we're sorry for being Hill's Hos and will now be honest, hard-hitting journalists."

I guarantee you Van Der Hei really does think we're that stupid. I'd love for someone to call the idiot's bluff.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 12:47 PM (X6fMO)

71 They were biased before this, but I think the 1992 election (Clinton I) was when they first eagerly jumped into outright cutthroat lying and deception. Every election since, they've amped it up higher and now they're openly acting as a wing of the Clinton campaign.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles



I would agree that's when the liberal media began hiding its bias less and less

The Baby Boomer counterculture started taking over the newsrooms from the Old Guard about that time and loved them some Clintons as they were peas in a pod

The 2000 Election with Bush vs Gore was about the last one where they still had a shred of credibility. After the recount, they went full retard.

Posted by: Maritime at October 05, 2016 12:47 PM (hm8zK)

72 No matter how bad they are treated by the left- locked in closets, rope corral, stonewalled, lied to, doj investigations- they will remain fiercely loyal. Like a battered wife. If we are nicer, they'll treat us better.

Posted by: A Blinkin at October 05, 2016 12:47 PM (2ot48)

73 media was always biased left, but more subtle in the past. now they don't even bother

Posted by: runner at October 05, 2016 12:48 PM (c6/9Q)

74 I think that what bothers some of these people is that the bias is so ham-handed and obvious that they fear even the dumb proles will see though it.

They would have no problem with more subtle bias.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 05, 2016 12:48 PM (u0lmX)

75 65 The idea that the media could be bias free was always stupid. It may be a laudable goal, but it is almost impossible. Bias is part of being a human.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:46 PM (gmeXX)

They can't be unbiased but they should be at least fair. They're not even meeting that standard.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at October 05, 2016 12:48 PM (RD7QR)

76 I SAID "HORDE," AUTOCUCUMBER!

Posted by: pookysgirl at October 05, 2016 12:48 PM (ar2KI)

77 I enjoy twitter but when it dies I will miss it for approximately .234 seconds because it's not important in tne least.
Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 05, 2016 12:41 PM (mf5HN)

---------------

I'll miss it for .223 seconds.

Posted by: Soona at October 05, 2016 12:48 PM (Fmupd)

78 I'd say it is not necessarily that the bias has become increasinly more visible - it has of course. But also a reflection that politics has become more intrusive - everything is political now because the government has grown so large. The bias plays a much larger role in part due to the outsized role of government. Bias could be overlooked 50 years ago because while it was prevalent, it didn't matter as much because the government was smaller.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:48 PM (gmeXX)

79 Does the Gorde count as my "tribe"? Also, when do we break out the feathered headdresses?


Posted by: pookysgirl at October 05, 2016 12:47 PM (ar2KI)

I want nothing to do with Al.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 05, 2016 12:49 PM (Idu2i)

80 From my perspective, tv off, eyes closed, sleeping, both candidates did equally well last night.

Posted by: A Blinkin at October 05, 2016 12:49 PM (2ot48)

81 They can't be unbiased but they should be at least fair. They're not even meeting that standard.

--------

Sort of intertwined don't you think? Your idea of fairness is colored by your personal bias.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:49 PM (gmeXX)

82 The idea that the media could be bias free was always stupid.
Yeah, but there was still some amount of basic "who, what, where, when" to reporting. Sometime in the 1960's, J-schools students stopped wanting to be an accurate record of their life and times, and changed their mission statement to "change the world."

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 05, 2016 12:50 PM (SeD0w)

83

I miss privacy.


Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 12:50 PM (zu88C)

84 Media biased? I'm not seeing it. Could you provide some examples?

Posted by: Lester Holt: Registered Republican at October 05, 2016 12:50 PM (qJhUV)

85 Hands up if you expect this to change anything.

Nobody?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 05, 2016 12:50 PM (KUaJL)

86 >>"...and tell me if those are things that they would say on TV or that would
have ever been acceptable in previous campaigns...Just let the facts
be out there and let people make a judgment."


Says the guy whose blog posted over 100 home page stories on Herman Cain's alleged affair.


He's not upset by the MSM partisanship, he's upset at their lack of finesse.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 12:50 PM (NOIQH)

87 There's bias, which I have expect and don't mind as long as it's acknowledged; and then there is collusion and fraud and malfeasance which should be prosecuted.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 05, 2016 12:50 PM (BS8yt)

88 Don;t know if there is going to be a VP debate thread, but Pence absolutely destroyed Kaine.

Hoping a few Republican hold outs saw it and will back the Trump/Pence ticket.

I will be the first to admit I thought Pence was a bad pick for Trump, but he grew on me in a big way last night.

And I had no idea what a shit weasel Kaine was.

Posted by: Maritime at October 05, 2016 12:50 PM (hm8zK)

89 They can't admit to bias, because then they are no longer the "honest broker", and have no business in charge of debates and other functions that require no bias.

Posted by: pep at October 05, 2016 12:51 PM (3e8zv)

90 Weren't newspapers basically started as a form of propaganda to push a party or ideology. Somewhere along the way came the idea that they were nothing more than independent gatekeepers and watchdogs. I'm glad we are coming back to full circle.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:51 PM (gmeXX)

91 Posted by: A Blinkin at October 05, 2016 12:47 PM (2ot4

The reporters themselves are nothings - even the ones on the networks. Look at who the owners are and you'll see who is pulling the strings. NBC is owned by GE - Jeffrey Immelt is in Obama's back pocket. Carlos Sim owns the NY Times. How do you think he feels about globalization and illegal immigration?

The reporters are scum - but I think even if they woke up tomorrow and decided they would be perfectly even-handed and report on Hillary's crime - they wouldn't be allowed to.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 05, 2016 12:52 PM (u0lmX)

92 That strategy worked for Biden against Ryan. Why didn't it work this time?
Posted by: L, Elle at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (L9GR7)

Pence is better than Ryan.

Posted by: Votermom watching a Spanish show at October 05, 2016 12:52 PM (Om16U)

93 then there is collusion and fraud and malfeasance which should be prosecuted

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Such as?

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:52 PM (gmeXX)

94 I must assume Mr. Van Der Hei has enough income or assets to live permanently off the reservation. This kind of heresy isn't well liked by our Betters.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 05, 2016 12:52 PM (SeD0w)

95 The idea that the media could be bias free was always stupid. It may be a laudable goal, but it is almost impossible. Bias is part of being a human.
Posted by: SH
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This is true. But, in times past the messaging was *very* diverse, there was at least some balance. The major publishers have all but killed off diversity of opinion in the local newspapers. Most 'news' that LIV's get is from broadcasters who are 100% Liberal echo chambers/propaganists.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2016 12:52 PM (9mTYi)

96 I wonder if the reporters showing their empimpled asses on Twitter are drunk. Or high.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 12:53 PM (4T3xL)

97 The media is acting like the revolutionary vanguard they see themselves at.

Going to make things real interesting when things get, well, real.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at October 05, 2016 12:53 PM (9krrF)

98 Didn't he get the message from his fellow journalists: it's OK, even encouraged, to do whatever it takes to stop Trump. They announce this all the time - it's their duty to protect us from Trump.

Just ask the NYT editor who thinks he's brave for illegally publishing Trump's tax returns.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 12:53 PM (NOIQH)

99 The major publishers have all but killed off diversity of opinion in the local newspapers.

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See my post at 91 - newspapers are sort of going back to their roots.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:53 PM (gmeXX)

100 79 Does the Gorde count as my "tribe"? Also, when do we break out the feathered headdresses?


Posted by: pookysgirl at October 05, 2016 12:47 PM (ar2KI)

The Acorn Squash Nation welcomes you.

Posted by: josephistan at October 05, 2016 12:53 PM (7HtZB)

101 That strategy worked for Biden against Ryan. Why didn't it work this time?
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Clowns have lately been losing their appeal.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2016 12:53 PM (9mTYi)

102 Didn't Comey say they would prosecute anybody else who did what Clinton did?

Posted by: Votermom watching a Spanish show at October 05, 2016 12:54 PM (Om16U)

103 That strategy worked for Biden against Ryan. Why didn't it work this time?
Posted by: L, Elle at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (L9GR7)


Ryan didn't want to win. He'd have to work.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 12:54 PM (X6fMO)

104 Jim Van Der Hei is an jerk. The media has been exceptionally kind to Trump this campaign, especially when you consider what an asshole he is.

Posted by: Dump Trump Driver at October 05, 2016 12:54 PM (t3P/T)

105 Of course the media that we leftists have always denied was biased is actually biased! Duh stupid wingnuts!

Posted by: xim at October 05, 2016 12:54 PM (BrQrN)

106 I hate how FOX is held up as a "conservative-biased" news network when they've been out to get Trump from day one--or at least the first question of the first debate. Outside of Hannity and the non-prime time Jeanine Pirro, it's pretty much all ant-Trump all the time.

That said, the perceived bias--in fact the very existence-- of FOX has let the rest of the MSM just run wild with their extreme bias, to just let their freak flag fly without care of who notices.....

Posted by: JoeF. at October 05, 2016 12:54 PM (TF+0P)

107 103 Didn't Comey say they would prosecute anybody else who did what Clinton did?

Pretty much...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 05, 2016 12:54 PM (O2RFr)

108 That strategy worked for Biden against Ryan. Why didn't it work this time?

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1. Age difference.

2. Biden is more likable in general.

3. Obama , not Hillary.

Oh - and I never thought it worked for Biden.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:55 PM (gmeXX)

109 When you've lost Politico, can Buzzfeed be far behind?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 05, 2016 12:55 PM (rwI+c)

110 I don't get why more people find this grotesque and frightening. People whose job it is to inform you are lying to you, covering things up, endangering you by isolating you in your ignorance. Self created, self appointed Pravda. Even the headlines exhibiting blatant sophistry and spin. And yet people uncritically eat it up, blind to all the danger signals.

Posted by: Yuimetal at October 05, 2016 12:55 PM (0mjO2)

111 What's driving MeAgain's sudden switch to all out leftism? Sure she might be angling for a network job - but more importantly, Ailes is out and Murdoch's son is issuing the marching orders.

These "journalists" are puppets in the hands of far more powerful people. They are entirely willing ones, of course, but puppets all the same.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 05, 2016 12:55 PM (u0lmX)

112 Pence was willing to defend his principles and his running mate. Ryan has no principles, and saw the deputy presidency as a less likely road to influence than sticking it out in the House so, f*ck Romney.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 12:55 PM (4T3xL)

113 These asymmetrical clashes usually means that the two parties want different things and seized them quickly.
Liberals want to assert their belligerence, and so the party coaches the catholic creepy clown to interrupt constantly. A bad result, but they definitely got the thing they wanted the most.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 05, 2016 12:55 PM (VdICR)

114 83 The idea that the media could be bias free was always stupid.
Yeah, but there was still some amount of basic "who, what, where, when" to reporting. Sometime in the 1960's, J-schools students stopped wanting to be an accurate record of their life and times, and changed their mission statement to "change the world."
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 05, 2016 12:50 PM (SeD0w)

I agree. To pretend - or even to believe - that it's impossible to be unbiased to issues that you spend your time researching/discussing issues is just lying to yourself. Everyone who has spent time thinking about a topic has an opinion on it. The only truly unbiased people are the ones who haven't thought about something.

If we (well, the media, and society at large) got away from the idea that "unbiased" was something that should even be a goal in the media and accepted that yes, we're biased, and we're going to view things through that lens, then we'll be much better off.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 05, 2016 12:55 PM (KUaJL)

115 Goddam right they're biased! They better be if they know what's good for them!!

Posted by: Hillary! at October 05, 2016 12:55 PM (qJhUV)

116 >>
I must assume Mr. Van Der Hei has enough income or assets to live
permanently off the reservation. This kind of heresy isn't well liked by
our Betters.

Eh, they do this sort of hand-wringing introspection every now and then. Never triggers a change in behavior, just sort of makes them feel better to say it and then go right back to their bad habits.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 12:56 PM (NOIQH)

117 I don't care if they are biased. I just want them to be up front about it. I want the New York Times to essentially re-name itself the "New York Times - Democrat" so that there can be no dispute that they have a partisan stake in the outcome.

Happy to call Fox News, the Wall Street Journal the New York Post and Drudge "Republican" in exchange for CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, PBS, etc., all correctly calling themselves "Democrat."

Let the people choose what news (or, infotainment) they want to consume.

Its a consumer fairness issue. Perhaps some overreaching GOP Attorney General can sue some media companies under the consumer protection laws to try to get a news station to reveal its editorial bias as a matter of unfair trade practices.

Before you condemn that approach, consider what it would mean to turn lawfare against the democrats, for once.

Posted by: Revenant at October 05, 2016 12:56 PM (3DSAh)

118 The media has been exceptionally kind to Trump this campaign

Heh. Good morning, Mr. Van Winkle.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 05, 2016 12:56 PM (rwI+c)

119 Go away Hector.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 12:56 PM (4T3xL)

120 ... why more people don't ...

Posted by: Yuimetal at October 05, 2016 12:57 PM (0mjO2)

121 when they've been out to get Trump from day one

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This is the network that employs Hannity correct? There may be some people at Fox out to get Trump, but I don't think you can say the network was out to get him.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:57 PM (gmeXX)

122 SH, interesting.


Absolutely wrong (but it's conventional wisdom) that one cannot be unbiased, or fair. It's easy. If you're smart and informed enough. Easy. Yet this shibboleth is universally accepted. It happens all the time (not in the media much, any more, but even there - and when you see it, it's immediately obvious). But whatever.


And ..... not that important, a lost cause, everybody lazily accepts the idea that fair/accurate reporting is impossible.


But absolutely RIGHT about why it matters so much - the intrusion of govt. into everything. And not just the basic intrusion - the fact that in doing so, govt. is unmoored from law, tradition, common sense, the constitution, science, anything rational that has been the basis for progress in our history.


Just arbitrary, and increasingly based on racism, authoritarian pathologies, tribalism, and crude self-seeking corruption.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 05, 2016 12:57 PM (QDnY+)

123 "Hei! Get in Der Van!"

Posted by: Hairy Reed at October 05, 2016 12:57 PM (o9m/V)

124 The term they're looking for is Yellow Journalism. Like back in the day when Hearst said "You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war."

It's more than just muckraking to sell papers, it's now full-on ideological revolution.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 05, 2016 12:57 PM (iynDC)

125 Its a consumer fairness issue. Perhaps some overreaching GOP Attorney General can sue some media companies under the consumer protection laws to try to get a news station to reveal its editorial bias as a matter of unfair trade practices.


I would prefer massive fines over the billions in undeclared in-kind contributions.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 05, 2016 12:57 PM (rwI+c)

126 107 what he said.

Posted by: firefirefire at October 05, 2016 12:57 PM (of67s)

127 My problem with platforms like Twitter, notwithstanding they become dictatorships, is they are reflexive, not cogittative.

That's fine if you are honest or well reasoned. Not so much if you are a preening narcissistic or pathos driven. If the later is quickly shows how shallow and biased you are.

Frankly, that doesn't seem to matter to so called journalists today. They all. Over for each other like good little quislings. Everybody knows it and they just don't seem to care. It's their ends to a means.

It's really why people hate them. Because they abuse their positions and collectively denigrate or shame anyone who doesn't agree with them.

I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. They are disgusting weasels who are largely responsible for the situation our country is in. Their. Ingest casualty is truth.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 05, 2016 12:58 PM (1Njtx)

128 Kaine failed at "Biden style" because only Biden has the magic paste to eat right before walking on stage.

Posted by: wooga at October 05, 2016 12:58 PM (pjHqs)

129 Also, when do we break out the feathered headdresses?

Oooo, I have one of those, can I join??

Posted by: Liz Shining Beaver Warren at October 05, 2016 12:58 PM (SeD0w)

130 Maritime, yeah, I thought Kaine was a centrist as Dems go. He proved to be a lying scummy hack last night.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 12:58 PM (4T3xL)

131 116 Goddam right they're biased! They better be if they know what's good for them!!
Posted by: Hillary! at October 05, 2016 12:55 PM (qJhUV)

Why so serious?

Posted by: Tim the creepy clown Kaine at October 05, 2016 12:59 PM (fgOnp)

132 Absolutely wrong (but it's conventional wisdom) that one cannot be unbiased, or fair.

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You can certainly be more fair and less biased, but it eventually comes through. Maybe not directly, any may very subtlety, but it is there.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:59 PM (gmeXX)

133 Every election season there's some MSM guy designated to express concern: "I've never thought this way before, but just in this particular election maybe the other guys have a minor point." Van der Huevelhei just happens to be the guy this year assigned the task of pretending the media is self-correcting.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at October 05, 2016 01:00 PM (nFdGS)

134 Aww, MUMR is back.
*gets misty-eyed*

Posted by: Votermom watching a Spanish show at October 05, 2016 01:00 PM (Om16U)

135 I'm enjoying my time as a free man thanks to Obama and the media not wanting the world to know what I know about Hillary's gun running...

Posted by: Marc Turi at October 05, 2016 01:00 PM (C278+)

136 91 Weren't newspapers basically started as a form of propaganda to push a party or ideology. Somewhere along the way came the idea that they were nothing more than independent gatekeepers and watchdogs. I'm glad we are coming back to full circle.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:51 PM (gmeXX)

Yeah in Citizen Kane his news and politics were merged the same as his democrat rival.
Ideally someone could read both papers to get the entire story. This isn't great in practice, but it's better than waiting for some non-partisan genius to pick up reporting.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 05, 2016 01:00 PM (VdICR)

137 Self created, self appointed Pravda.

Word. At least we had guns to our heads.

Posted by: Pravda at October 05, 2016 01:00 PM (BrQrN)

138 >>Kaine failed at "Biden style"


Do I really look like a guy with a plan?

Posted by: Tim the creepy clown Kaine at October 05, 2016 01:01 PM (fgOnp)

139 Their entire framework for even understanding an issue, even if if they had and understood the facts, is false.

Yeah, even if the truth is staring them in the face, if it doesn't "feel" correct, it will be discounted or ignored.

Posted by: Liz Shining Beaver Warren at October 05, 2016 01:01 PM (SeD0w)

140 Judith Miller even came out with a PragerU video saying media has taken a side, though she blames management most. And she doesn't reveal they don't just bury stories, they produce propaganda by adding words or splicing/dicing video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B0HV_GQut4


Posted by: illiniwek at October 05, 2016 01:01 PM (n6rAX)

141 We need to find out if Pence punches babies in the dick too.

Posted by: The MFM at October 05, 2016 01:02 PM (vtcmf)

142 Almost wrong to blame the media, given how obvious they are to anyone with half a brain. They should be as impotent as the Klan, or NAMBLA.

Posted by: Yuimetal at October 05, 2016 01:02 PM (Pby3z)

143 What's driving MeAgain's sudden switch to all out leftism?

Having seen how Teh Donald has caused her to completely come unglued, my guess is "daddy issues."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 01:02 PM (X6fMO)

144 You can certainly be more fair and less biased,
but it eventually comes through. Maybe not directly, any may very
subtlety, but it is there.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:59 PM (gmeXX)
--Just choosing what news to discuss, and what not to discuss, even if you are 100% factual and even-handed about what you discuss, can reveal a bias.Using news to try to form a "narrative" or some kind of "story arc" is a form of bias. You are not being a passive newsreader reporting just the facts, you are trying to get certain facts to fit into a preferred storyline.There will always be a bias. It just needs to be out in the open.

Posted by: Revenant at October 05, 2016 01:02 PM (3DSAh)

145 135 Aww, MUMR is back.
*gets misty-eyed*

Posted by: Votermom watching a Spanish show at October 05, 2016 01:00 PM (Om16U)

He's been a lot funnier. Today? Meh.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 05, 2016 01:03 PM (u0lmX)

146 I am so proud of my wife. Being penetrated by other men makes her feel so empowered.

She's buying me a new leash this week and if I'm lucky, Paolo might let me watch!

I'm her right hand person!

Posted by: Tim Kaine at October 05, 2016 01:03 PM (zu88C)

147 The press should have been far more adversial towards Trump than they have been. I think they're only holding back to make the impact of their October surprise all the more devastating.

Posted by: Dump Trump Driver at October 05, 2016 01:03 PM (t3P/T)

148 I like twitter because it has the ability to let people show their bias, a sort of 'in vino veritas' effect. That's a good thing for news consumers.

A lot of times when I see a link to an article by an unfamiliar author I'll check out the author's twitter feed (like a stupid WashPost story on why eating meat is problematic, you guys!). Rarely does it take more than their personal description and ~10 tweets to ascertain their viewpoint/bias.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 01:03 PM (NOIQH)

149 Almost wrong to blame the media, given how obvious they are to anyone with half a brain.

Posted by: Yuimetal at October 05, 2016 01:02 PM (Pby3z)

Unfortunately there are a lot people out there with less than half a brain. And some of them vote.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 05, 2016 01:04 PM (u0lmX)

150 If we have lost Jim Van Der Hei well then we lost the...wait a minute... Jim Vander Who??

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 05, 2016 01:04 PM (NpXoL)

151 And then you add some alcohol...

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - M.A.G.A. Lace Helicopter Wigs are at The Outrage Outlet! at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (hLRSq)

152 Kaine failed at "Biden style" because only Biden has the magic paste to eat right before walking on stage.

There was an age dynamic at play w/Biden/Ryan; Biden was like a leather chapped bear to Ryan's dismayed twink.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (SeD0w)

153 >>What's driving MeAgain's sudden switch to all out leftism?

$10 million book contract and $10 million a year salary from the Murdochs makes her their mouthpiece.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (fgOnp)

154 Mike Pence punches baby dicks using only his temperance.

Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (5Vm+C)

155 What's driving MeAgain's sudden switch to all out leftism?
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Who knows?
*makes crazy ear circles with finger*

All I know is that Flock of Seagulls hairdo makes her look like a 10 year old male skateboarder.

Posted by: Tim Kaine at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (zu88C)

156 >>Maritime, yeah, I thought Kaine was a centrist as Dems go. He proved to be a lying scummy hack last night.

He's not a centrist at all, just talks like one.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (NOIQH)

157 If we have lost Jim Van Der Hei well then we lost the...wait a minute... Jim Vander Who??

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You know that Dawson fella.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (gmeXX)

158 And no one wants to see your nasty nekkid soul!
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 12:33 PM


Now you tell me ...

Posted by: Lena at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (iJHPU)

159 I'm guessing Van DH doesn't realize that the biased dim bulbs in the media spell out their bias clearly so that the dim bulbs they want to influence know what to think. Subtlety just wasn't working: even the dim bulbs in the media couldn't be swayed by it.

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (9MlEz)

160 cuckold sock off

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (zu88C)

161 Weren't newspapers basically started as a form of propaganda to push a party or ideology. Somewhere along the way came the idea that they were nothing more than independent gatekeepers and watchdogs. I'm glad we are coming back to full circle.
Posted by: SH
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Possibly true. But consider this list of Gannett assets. Every one of those papers used to local, and offer independent reporting and editorial content. Not now... you will not find a Gannett publisher with a conservative bias. Go ahead, look at the list:
http://tinyurl.com/htm43wg

Exactly the same is true of McClatchy. Scroll to the bottom, and look at the list:
http://tinyurl.com/jb8pgdv

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (9mTYi)

162 The Media has always loved the Clintons, even Hillary. They will pull out all the stops to put her in the White House. Even if it means destroying their credibility forever.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 05, 2016 01:06 PM (AroJD)

163 To me, linking to a Politico piece is about as appealing as linking to the NYT or Infowars or World Nuts Daily. In other words, I just don't do it if at all possible. You have a better chance of getting honest reporting at the National Enquirer.

But it does seem that the MFM has gone all in on this election. In a way, it's amazing that Trump is still near a tie considering the headwinds he's having to fight, including a good portion of the GOP itself.

Posted by: GnuBreed, powering through his deplorability at October 05, 2016 01:06 PM (gyKtp)

164 What's driving MeAgain's sudden switch to all out leftism?


Ambition.

I wouldn't be surprised if she and Murdoch (or sons) worked together to force out Ailes.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 05, 2016 01:06 PM (Pby3z)

165 Posted by: Dump Trump Driver at October 05, 2016 01:03 PM (t3P/T)

**

Miiiiissss PIGGY!!?? Is that you??


Posted by: dananjcon at October 05, 2016 01:06 PM (NpXoL)

166 There are no Democrat centrists.Anyone not hard left was purged from the party years ago.

Posted by: steevy at October 05, 2016 01:07 PM (fA75F)

167 Pak Chooie Unf.

Posted by: The Shover Robot at October 05, 2016 01:07 PM (Yz6Y1)

168 The Donald did pretty well on Twitter during the debate
Media wants to see it as a "rant". Nope, he had the facts and was backing Pence up with them.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 01:07 PM (4T3xL)

169 144 What's driving MeAgain's sudden switch to all out leftism?

Having seen how Teh Donald has caused her to completely come unglued, my guess is "daddy issues."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 01:02 PM (X6fMO)



"Head Cheerleader of a small school arriving at USC" Issues. Used to having all the men wrapped around her finger, then arriving there and finding out she's at best an 8 and there are men that won't fawn over her and follow her around like puppy dogs.

Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2016 01:08 PM (bMG0w)

170 The MFM has always been biased all the way back to the colonial days. The major difference now is that the liberal communists now on ALL of them, not just the Duranty Times and the networks. Back in colonial days every faction had their own newspaper sheet. FDR effectively ended that with the FCC. And Soros has ended it all the way down to small town newspapers (all the majors had already gone over except the WaEx which is RNCe). . .


and it is well documented in a book by Bernard Goldberg an ex CBS reporter.


http://amzn.to/2cSP9ao

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 05, 2016 01:08 PM (mpXpK)

171 I'm her right hand person!

We call-a-you "cleanup boy" when-a-you back-a-turn.

Posted by: Paolo at October 05, 2016 01:08 PM (SeD0w)

172 And no one wants to see your nasty nekkid soul!
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 12:33 PM

Now you tell me ...
Posted by: Lena
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Hmm. What about physical assets?

Posted by: Hope Solo at October 05, 2016 01:08 PM (9mTYi)

173 "They are disgusting weasels who are largely responsible for the situation our country is in.

Posted by: Marcus T"

Yes. Even more than the Dems. The left has its ideas and should be allowed to present them, no matter how idiotic. If the media was doing it job to analyze inform and in a truly non-biased manner, their politicians would never have a chance and they would never win elections except in a few corners of the country. It really is the MSM that has brought us to this point and deserves to be tarred and feathered or, well, never mind.

Posted by: Ripley at October 05, 2016 01:08 PM (1BQGO)

174 What's driving MeAgain's sudden switch to all out leftism?


Ambition.

I wouldn't be surprised if she and Murdoch (or sons) worked together to force out Ailes.

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First of she strikes me as a run-of-the-mill glass ceiling style feminist.

However, she'll play whatever card it takes to get ahead.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:08 PM (gmeXX)

175 Even if it means destroying their credibility forever.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 05, 2016 01:06 PM (AroJD)


Their reply would be that if it works and Hill's elected, their credibility is not destroyed because most voters believe them.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 05, 2016 01:08 PM (u0lmX)

176 Politico Founder Jim Van Der Hei: I've Always Defended the Media Against Bias Charges, But This Year, They've Proven Themselves to Be Hyperpartisan Embarrassments

"Jim, they've always been hyperpartisan embarrassments. The rah-rah liberal bias has always been there. The only thing that's different this year is that the masks are coming off like they never have before."

That's what I would say if I were a talking head on that panel. And then I'd lean over and pinch Mika's ass.

Posted by: OregonMuse at October 05, 2016 01:08 PM (8V5LI)

177

Posted by: Hope Solo
===


Case. Rested.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:09 PM (zu88C)

178 My first year of college I had a poster from Jim Van Der Hei's blue period.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 05, 2016 01:09 PM (VdICR)

179 Collusion- Jounolist

Fraud - as we are discussing here the MSM fraudulently call themselves honest brokers, they do this for their own financial benefit at the detriment of their customers

Malfeasance - look at the DNC hacks

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 05, 2016 01:09 PM (OHGnA)

180 Maritime, yeah, I thought Kaine was a centrist as Dems go. He proved to be a lying scummy hack last night.

He's not a centrist at all, just talks like one.
Posted by: Lizzy



Even putting aside his ideology, he's just an asshole. He's like a passive aggressive Vice principal or something.

Biden was a jackass as well, but there was a certain humor to it that could offset it, sort of like Trump

Had Hillary put on a black running mate, she probably would have won. Kaine was a real misfire even if he is from Virginia.

Posted by: Maritime at October 05, 2016 01:09 PM (hm8zK)

181 What's driving MeAgain's sudden switch to all out leftism?

Having seen how Teh Donald has caused her to completely come unglued, my guess is "daddy issues."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 01:02 PM (X6fMO)



"Head Cheerleader of a small school arriving at USC" Issues. Used to having all the men wrapped around her finger, then arriving there and finding out she's at best an 8 and there are men that won't fawn over her and follow her around like puppy dogs.
Posted by: buzzion



Big fish, little pond to little fish, big pond.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2016 01:10 PM (Bd48Y)

182 >>Jim Van Der Hei


The Importer / Exporter?

Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2016 01:10 PM (5Vm+C)

183 Uh oh. If Lynch sends Comey out again to explain this, I hope his weasel suit is cleaned and pressed:

https://tinyurl.com/z5wg6yd

DOJ abruptly drops charges against gun runner who threatened to expose Clinton Libya dealings.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 05, 2016 01:10 PM (4ng05)

184 Since I don't like in VA, I am a low info voter where it comes to VA politicos...

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 01:10 PM (4T3xL)

185 I do think media is more the enemy than elected Democrats.

If we could destroy the media, a lot would fall into place in this country.

Posted by: Maritime at October 05, 2016 01:10 PM (hm8zK)

186 >>>Kaine was a real misfire even if he is from Virginia.


Hillary and Kaine both have the problem that the more they are seen, the less they are liked.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at October 05, 2016 01:11 PM (fgOnp)

187 If Republicans and Democrats fail to reach a compromise over this or that bill, and this is always reported as, "Republicans block Obama from creating Utopia", how stupid do you have to be not to get freaked out by that?

Posted by: Yuimetal at October 05, 2016 01:11 PM (Pby3z)

188 Even Hotair is linking Univision-owned Deadspin.com

A lot of Trump hate out there, across the board.

Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2016 01:11 PM (JBggj)

189 Kaine is a scummy, twisted sexual freak. He makes Joe 'Grabby' Biden look like Mary Poppins.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:11 PM (zu88C)

190 Kaine was a real misfire even if he is from Virginia.

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A man who will gladly shed his faith to rise in his party is the same type of man who will use a phrase "right hand person."

So basically, they found a man completely devoid of principle and willing to emasculate himself in front of the almighty Hillary.

In a way he is perfect for Hillary. Nothing more than a lap dog.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:11 PM (gmeXX)

191 Biden was a jackass as well, but there was a certain humor to it that could offset it, sort of like Trump
--

Biden was an ass. It didn't help that Ryan seemed really nervous. Biden's BS dismissal of everything that Ryan said as "malarchy" was grating. But I think people tuned in and saw an elder putting a young man in his place and nodded along.

Posted by: Revenant at October 05, 2016 01:11 PM (3DSAh)

192 The major difference now is that the liberal communists now on ALL of them, not just the Duranty Times and the networks. Back in colonial days every faction had their own newspaper sheet.
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Yup. Again, see the lists at 161

Posted by: Hope Solo at October 05, 2016 01:12 PM (9mTYi)

193 What's driving MeAgain's sudden switch to all out leftism?

She's got a burning itch that only David Brock can scratch.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 05, 2016 01:12 PM (SeD0w)

194 Posted by: Dump Trump Driver at October 05, 2016 01:03 PM (t3P/T)

I get convinced sometimes that what really drives a lot of NeverTrumpers is the anticipation of the orgasmic joy they're expecting to have after the election screaming "I TOLD YOU SO!!" rather than any principled opposition.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 01:12 PM (X6fMO)

195
Miiiiissss PIGGY!!?? Is that you??

Posted by: dananjcon at October 05, 2016 01:06 PM (NpXoL)

It's Trigglypuff! She has just eaten 2 pints of ice cream and she's going to have a box of cookies for snack, but in the meantime, she is posting about how Trump fat-shames women!

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 05, 2016 01:12 PM (u0lmX)

196 Oops. Sheds nasty Solo sock.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2016 01:13 PM (9mTYi)

197 I figured it was the bathroom wall of the internet.

Ahem.

Posted by: The Barrel at October 05, 2016 01:13 PM (iJHPU)

198 I state facts.

You have a slant.

He out-and-out lies.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at October 05, 2016 01:13 PM (BWL+E)

199 Oops. Sheds nasty Solo sock.

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Recommend burning it like it had polio.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:13 PM (gmeXX)

200 Kaine was a real misfire even if he is from Virginia.

*****

Kaine is the result of George Allen being "macaced" by the Washington Post. His wife is the daughter of the first republican governor from Virginia. The guys wiki page is a disaster of prog lies, ie he was a "good" republican and not a "conservative" defined by whoever wrote the wiki page as "racist" battling the bad democrats who are now republicans---the usual lies and bs.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:13 PM (09Ay7)

201 They had to repay Kaine for stepping aside as DNC chair to make way for the DWS fix.Quid pro quo.

Posted by: steevy at October 05, 2016 01:14 PM (fA75F)

202 We all have our biases fair or not, I freely admit mine and make no analogies for my bias. The media (MFM and the social media) will look you straight in the eye and claim no bias or claim they lean right when in fact they lean left. (fox). Screw The media, I will continue to believe they lie forever more.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 05, 2016 01:14 PM (hMqvx)

203 188 Even Hotair is linking Univision-owned Deadspin.com

A lot of Trump hate out there, across the board.


Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2016 01:11 PM (JBggj)

Hotair has how many readers now? 20?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 05, 2016 01:14 PM (u0lmX)

204 Megan's outfit last night insisted on itself. Kaine and Pence didn't show up last night dressed up like eighteenth century aristocrats in ruffles and codpiece under their hosiery. Megan was showing off cleavage and legs that evening

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 01:14 PM (4T3xL)

205 Holy crap, Hotair has been crap for a decade.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:14 PM (09Ay7)

206 What's driving MeAgain's sudden switch to all out leftism?'
====


Her Miley Cyrus moment is imminent. I fully expect twerking.

Possibly with a lampshade on her head at the next Godless Winter Office Party.

She could go full Couric.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:14 PM (zu88C)

207 I've been calling it The Borg -- an unholy alliance of BigGov, MSM and Academia, which is melding. Some members of BigBiz are already a part of the this, and are increasingly aligning with the Cultural Left. Many media outlets are owned companies already part of The Borg.

There's a lot of GroupThink in The Borg, which explains why supposedly over-educated people can believe in things like CAGW as gospel truth.

The Borg is over-represented in Hillary's Deep Blue redoubts, less so in the rest of the country.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 05, 2016 01:15 PM (r1fLd)

208 If the Trolls are up early, Pence did extremely well.

Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2016 01:15 PM (5Vm+C)

209 Megan's outfit last night insisted on itself.

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Nothing wrong with that.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:15 PM (gmeXX)

210

Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE MARCO RUBIO at October 05, 2016 01:13 PM (XzRw1)
--I suppose you drink fire instead of water and are for strong border enforcement?Your dad probably was in the front of the room, while you were in the back, tending bar.

Posted by: Revenant at October 05, 2016 01:15 PM (3DSAh)

211 Was Hillary supposed to pick an alpha male? How would that work?

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at October 05, 2016 01:15 PM (PFr9D)

212 Kaine is a scummy, twisted sexual freak. He makes Joe 'Grabby' Biden look like Mary Poppins.

**Spock eyebrow**

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 01:15 PM (X6fMO)

213 They had to repay Kaine for stepping aside as DNC chair to make way for the DWS fix.Quid pro quo.
Posted by: steevy
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This.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2016 01:15 PM (9mTYi)

214 Megan was showing off cleavage and legs that evening

*****Megyno always dresses like a slut. Oh, please, take my badassness seriously while I flash you my woo-woo.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:16 PM (09Ay7)

215 So Kaine came out last night as transitioning?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 05, 2016 01:16 PM (OHGnA)

216 The trolls are always out either way.

Posted by: steevy at October 05, 2016 01:16 PM (fA75F)

217 Was Hillary supposed to pick an alpha male? How would that work?

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The only one left in that party is her "husband."

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:16 PM (gmeXX)

218 >>She could go full Couric.


Colonoscopy?

Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2016 01:16 PM (5Vm+C)

219 >>Kaine is a scummy, twisted sexual freak. He makes Joe 'Grabby' Biden look like Mary Poppins.

A friend of Kaine's has posted here and says that despite how he looks, he is shrewd and ambitious.

It strikes me that Kaine's figured he can do his time as Hillary's lapdog because she won't live through a 4 year term. Keeping his eyes on the prize.
However, he is really creepy and off-putting. Uncle Badtouch creepy. Has a secret basement where he hides evidence of his sexual fetish creepy.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 01:17 PM (NOIQH)

220 Last night's VP debate made the bias fraud clear to all. Man, the MSM and the Dems thought they had things wrapped up with Kaine.

Here's Politico's PRE-debate spin before the Kaine-Pence disaster

LINK: http://preview.tinyurl.com/z96tdjt

It's a wonderful read today

Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2016 01:17 PM (JBggj)

221 #DutchBoysMatter

Posted by: Jim Van Der HeidiHiHeidiHo at October 05, 2016 01:17 PM (vtcmf)

222 Kaine is a scummy, twisted sexual freak. He makes Joe 'Grabby' Biden look like Mary Poppins.



**Spock eyebrow**

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

=====


No offense to dudes named Mary Poppins.

I mean Mary Poppin guys.

"Men of Poppin"?



Im gonna go walk the dog....


Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (zu88C)

223 he is shrewd and ambitious

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I'd say an unprincipled huckster who should be ex-communicated from the Church.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (gmeXX)

224 Timmy wears an apron.

He got the nod because Hillary thought she needed a white male to close her Ginormous Man Gap. But this will backfire, because Tim is a beta male second husband type who can't wait to go antiquing.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (r1fLd)

225 Jim Van Der Hei


The Importer / Exporter?

Posted by: garrett


Also an architect on the side

Posted by: Jim Van Der Hei at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (BrQrN)

226 If I read Van Der Hei correctly he's objecting more to the mask slipping than he to the uniformity of socialist political opinion.

Posted by: MTF at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (LISuA)

227 "I TOLD YOU SO!!" rather than any principled opposition.

*****

When any of these aholes can tell me what the principle is, then maybe we can have the conversation. So far, it appears to be "pay attention to ME!!" I hate them more than I do progs.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (09Ay7)

228 Colonoscopy?

Newsletter?

Posted by: Hope's Rolo at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (vtcmf)

229 Dude shoots his wife in the car after revolver accidently goes off after hitting a bump

http://tinyurl.com/jd84sb8

Sounds hokey...

Posted by: McCool at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (H/bVO)

230 Kind of ghoulish of him to sign up as deputy to a dying woman... Hilary should watch her back and pay her chefs well

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (4T3xL)

231 NYT "Pence's Galling Amnesia"

You know whose amnesia is galling? Hillary's.

Posted by: Miley's Deplorables at October 05, 2016 01:19 PM (L2UGl)

232 But only this year wingers

Posted by: ajlfour at October 05, 2016 01:19 PM (nqLBH)

233
The only one left in that party is her "husband."

+++

Who, she has said, she will put in charge of the economy.

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at October 05, 2016 01:19 PM (PFr9D)

234 Dude shoots his wife in the car after revolver accidently goes off after hitting a bump

http://tinyurl.com/jd84sb8

Sounds hokey...
Posted by: McCool




Sounds very hokey.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2016 01:19 PM (Bd48Y)

235 Tim Kaine scares me. He's a pansy in many ways but I'd bet is a brutal apparatchik behind the scenes. Word is that he was actually Obama's pick. Recently had a private dinner with Soros son and heir. The beat goes on.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 05, 2016 01:19 PM (r1fLd)

236 Last night's VP debate made the bias fraud clear to all.
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*?*
I don't know what you mean. I thought it was fair, and Senator Kaine came across as smart and well-qualified.

Posted by: LIV at October 05, 2016 01:19 PM (9mTYi)

237 Uh oh. If Lynch sends Comey out again to explain this, I hope his weasel suit is cleaned and pressed:

https://tinyurl.com/z5wg6yd

DOJ abruptly drops charges against gun runner who threatened to expose Clinton Libya dealings.


Remember the end of that movie Lord of War?

Yuri Orlov: The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I do rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of these men are the enemies of your enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss - the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year - sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So. You call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at October 05, 2016 01:20 PM (9krrF)

238 .....wingers

Posted by: ajlfour at October 05, 2016 01:19 PM (nqLBH)


Real troll or just one of you being silly?

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:20 PM (TOk1P)

239 Hillary's "Ginormous Man Gap"

Yeah, there's an image I didn' t need.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 01:20 PM (4T3xL)

240 "Men of Poppin"?

Ahem.

Posted by: Pillsbury Doughboy at October 05, 2016 01:20 PM (iJHPU)

241 205, MeAgain has no cleavage to speak of....

Posted by: JoeF. at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (TF+0P)

242 "I think these accusations of bias are usually overdone"

Sure, there is bias, I won't deny it. But these pansies keep complaining when the media repeatedly stabs them in the kidneys. But now that they are admitting to going for the throat, it seems a little uncouth.

Posted by: bskb at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (uz1TO)

243 Possibly with a lampshade on her head at the next Godless Winter Office Party.

She could go full Couric.
or full Elaine Benes.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (SeD0w)

244 Dude shoots his wife in the car after revolver accidently goes off after hitting a bump


http://tinyurl.com/jd84sb8


Sounds hokey...>>>

Well he did try to sell her to us before he shot her.

Posted by: Atlanta Gang banger at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (tf9Ne)

245 235 Tim Kaine scares me. He's a pansy in many ways but I'd bet is a brutal apparatchik behind the scenes

He reminds me of a yapping little chihuahua nipping at your heals... Those little suckers are mean...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (O2RFr)

246
[Kaine] got the nod because...
Posted by: Ignoramus



It was an attempt to lock down Virginia as Hillary's pivot state.

FIN

Also, now picturing "Hillary's Pivot" -- bleech.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (kdS6q)

247 I just realized what Meagain's hairstyle reminded me of. The young John Conner in Terminator 2.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (kTF2Z)

248 Any "journalist" that spends time on Trump maybe calling Miss U, Miss Piggy, that does not spend twice as much time revealing 25 years of Clinton criminal activity, is not to be forgiven just because they say "gee, our MSM maybe are a little too partisan this year".

This video gives 20 minutes of Clinton Crimes, which would go well if added to Clinton cash. Any real journalist would report like Ann Coulter does, if they had integrity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1186v=kypl1MYuKDY

Posted by: illiniwek at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (n6rAX)

249 OT: Never before seen video of Barack Obama's 1990 trip to Kenya. Mostly whines about "white privilege."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fItxli7-uU0

Posted by: Independent George at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (BDZWU)

250 Dude shoots his wife in the car after revolver accidently goes off after hitting a bump
-----------

Poor trigger discipline.

It's really bad form to have your finger on the trigger while driving. Almost as bad as texting.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2016 01:22 PM (9mTYi)

251 The online blogs and jounals are really taking the place of the original newspapers

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 05, 2016 01:22 PM (OHGnA)

252 I just realized what Meagain's hairstyle reminded me of. The young John Conner in Terminator 2.

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And Tim Kaine had his personality. Weird.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:22 PM (gmeXX)

253 A friend of Kaine's has posted here and says that despite how he looks, he is shrewd and ambitious.



3 Card Monte dealers are shrewd and ambitious. Doesn't mean I want to share oxygen with them.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2016 01:22 PM (Bd48Y)

254 227 "I TOLD YOU SO!!" rather than any principled opposition.

*****

When any of these aholes can tell me what the principle is, then maybe we can have the conversation. So far, it appears to be "pay attention to ME!!" I hate them more than I do progs.


Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (09Ay7)



The number of them that jump back to "But the Democrats are worse so you must always vote Republican no matter what!!" will cause the earth's rotation to slow.

Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2016 01:23 PM (bMG0w)

255 [Kaine] got the nod because...
Posted by: Ignoramus
====


" Put Neidermeyer on it. He's a sneaky little shit just like you."

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:23 PM (zu88C)

256 WE must get guns out of the hands and off of the laps of back seat drivers!

Posted by: JoeF. at October 05, 2016 01:23 PM (TF+0P)

257 Looks like our EU brethren are enjoying themselves:

Two cops stabbed in Brussels and now train traffic interrupted to look for bombs.

The Brits were smart enough to pitch this globalist BS. I hope we are as well.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 05, 2016 01:23 PM (4ng05)

258 Dude shoots his wife in the car after revolver accidently goes off after hitting a bump
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Poor trigger discipline.

It's really bad form to have your finger on the trigger while driving.



AND the gun pointed at your wife!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2016 01:24 PM (Bd48Y)

259 To the people of Virginia...WTF are you doing electing that idiot Kaine as your Senator. What an idiot !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Christ he makes Dan Quayle look like a rocket scientist !!!!!!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 05, 2016 01:25 PM (NuElX)

260 Tim Kaine scares me. He's a pansy in many ways but I'd bet is a brutal apparatchik behind the scenes. Word is that he was actually Obama's pick. Recently had a private dinner with Soros son and heir. The beat goes on.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 05, 2016 01:19 PM (r1fLd)



I read the comments this morning, regarding his tap-dancing on the abortion issue.


Yes, there are lots of "Catholics" who don't give a damn about killing babies, but there are also lots who are damn close to being done with the Democrat Party because they keep getting more frothingly ghoulish about killing more and more babies.


Sugar Kaine, to anyone who has been listening, drove the truck further over the cliff last night. He is so far beyond Cuomo's dancing on this topic, even far beyond Pelosi's and Kerry's from 2004.


Eventually, when enough purported Catholics finally get to enough, and leave that rotten Party, once and for all (JFK has been dead for 53 years, idiots), the Democrat Party will be in shambles.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:25 PM (TOk1P)

261 253 A friend of Kaine's has posted here and says that despite how he looks, he is shrewd and ambitious.



3 Card Monte dealers are shrewd and ambitious. Doesn't mean I want to share oxygen with them.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2016 01:22 PM (Bd48Y)



I also doubt that this friend has actually ever seen the real Kaine. Last night was probably closer to his true personality than anything they have seen.

Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2016 01:26 PM (bMG0w)

262 And NRO can, honestly, go away.
I've gone there once since their "Pile On Trump, We Are Your Betters, He Has No Right to Run for Office" move.

Posted by: m at October 05, 2016 01:26 PM (/4GEs)

263 If you can't remove the dick puncher, the only recourse is to remove the dick.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 05, 2016 01:26 PM (Pby3z)

264 Jim Van Der Hei: I've Always Defended the Media Against Bias Charges, But This Year
====

sure, Jim.

Compared to 2008 and 2012 this year was EXCEPTIONAL for it's MSM bias.


yeah.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:27 PM (zu88C)

265 A friend of Kaine's has posted here and says that despite how he looks, he is shrewd and ambitious.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 01:17 PM (NOIQH)

Politicians don't have friends. They have toadies, sycophants and henchmen.
They can't experience human emotions like friendship or altruism any more than any other species of reptile.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at October 05, 2016 01:27 PM (1zARK)

266 Guess what guys, I'm back on TV!

Posted by: Criss Angel at October 05, 2016 01:27 PM (JO9+V)

267 I had to call up a pic because you guys are violating AOS rule 21 and talking about cleavage without a courtesy pic.


I don't see anything particularly sexy about that dress she was wearing unless she stared the camera in the "eyes" and bent over. Besides, she cut her hair.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 05, 2016 01:27 PM (mpXpK)

268 Dude shoots his wife in the car after revolver accidently goes off after hitting a bump



http://tinyurl.com/jd84sb8



Sounds hokey...



Posted by: McCool at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (H/bVO)
**
Sounds brilliant!


Posted by: dananjcon at October 05, 2016 01:27 PM (NpXoL)

269 Yes, there are lots of "Catholics" who don't give a damn about killing babies, but there are also lots who are damn close to being done with the Democrat Party because they keep getting more frothingly ghoulish about killing more and more babies.

??

Posted by: Planned Baby Parts R Us at October 05, 2016 01:27 PM (BrQrN)

270 Eventually, when enough purported Catholics finally get to enough, and leave that rotten Party, once and for all (JFK has been dead for 53 years, idiots), the Democrat Party will be in shambles.

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There are a lot of self-identified Catholics, but they don't go to mass. In other words, they aren't Catholic.

What makes Kaine grating is he states how Catholic he is and how much his faith means to him.

He should be ex-communicated and pronto.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (gmeXX)

271 @260 BurtTC

At this stage, you can only vote D as a Catholic if you are butt-ass ignorant or really an unbeliever. I can't imagine that there's that much hay to be made among Catholics who are more than merely nominal.

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (9MlEz)

272 whatevs van der hei. you're a dishonest tool as well and this 'observation' carries as much weight as your biased reporting of the past. iow, fuck you. and your shadow. with a pineapple. salted. sideways. repeatedly.

Posted by: oddknot is pissed now at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (g1MTt)

273 Holy crap, those new state polls from Reuters/Ipso are terrible news for Hillary. How come Poopy has not posted them yet?

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (OD2ni)

274 I just realized what Meagain's hairstyle reminded me of. The young John Conner in Terminator 2.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (kTF2Z)



Yep. Or Hermie, the dentist elf from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (TOk1P)

275 273 Holy crap, those new state polls from Reuters/Ipso are terrible news for Hillary. How come Poopy has not posted them yet?


You just answered that yourself...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 05, 2016 01:29 PM (O2RFr)

276 "Americans don't have any right to block Islamic immigration." Tim Kaine.

Suck it deplorables.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 05, 2016 01:29 PM (4ng05)

277 After the performance of Kaine last night Hillary has my vote.... You bet !!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT !! If Hillary buys the farm and we are left wit that F##kStain... I might as well just pack my bags and move to Bangkok !!!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 05, 2016 01:29 PM (NuElX)

278 225 Jim Van Der Hei

The Importer / Exporter?
Posted by: garrett
***
Also an architect on the side
Posted by: Jim Van Der He


Weren't you on Dawson's Creek?

Posted by: Tim Kaine's Mom at October 05, 2016 01:29 PM (59r+t)

279 If you can't remove the dick puncher, the only recourse is to remove the dick.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner


If the dick don't fit, you got to snip!

Posted by: Johnny Cockring at October 05, 2016 01:29 PM (BrQrN)

280
Yep. Or Hermie, the dentist elf from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.

The most annoying cartoon ever made...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 05, 2016 01:29 PM (O2RFr)

281 What makes Kaine grating is he states how Catholic he is and how much his faith means to him.

He should be ex-communicated and pronto.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (gmeXX)



There are a long list of assholes like Kaine who need to be ex-communicated.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 01:29 PM (OE2ur)

282
What makes Kaine grating is he states how Catholic he is and how much his faith means to him.

He should be ex-communicated and pronto.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (gmeXX)



The likelihood of that happening is really really small. Its zero with Pope Commie the First.

Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2016 01:30 PM (bMG0w)

283 ... he makes Dan Quayle look like a rocket scientist !!!!!!!

Quayle was not stupid. He also did a very good job on the Space Council.

Posted by: Pillsbury Doughboy at October 05, 2016 01:30 PM (iJHPU)

284 Sure, I wear a turban around the office--who hasn't?

Sincerely,

Posted by: Citizen of the Caliphate Kane at October 05, 2016 01:30 PM (Ndje9)

285 Rich Lowry has made a complete ass of himself and continues to do so on Twitter. Idiot.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:30 PM (09Ay7)

286 Enormous and gigantic are perfectly good words.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 05, 2016 01:30 PM (VdICR)

287 #273: Those polls obviously have to be wrong.. Everybody loves Cankles !!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 05, 2016 01:30 PM (NuElX)

288 This is like the panic by the press a few weeks ago that they had slagged previous GOP candidates so bad that they can't up the outrage meter with Trump. They've cried wolf one too many times and now they find that upping the decibel level isn't working.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at October 05, 2016 01:31 PM (Ee2nz)

289 >>3 Card Monte dealers are shrewd and ambitious. Doesn't mean I want to share oxygen with them.


Exactly. IIRC, he was responding to the "Why Kaine?" response to his selection as VP, and this poster was saying that he was not surprised at all, that behind the bland demeanor is a really ambitious guy.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 01:31 PM (NOIQH)

290 >>>twitter!
I get to brag that Scott Adams agrees with me that Tim Kaine looks like PBH
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/783444264080506880

I saw that, votermom! Totally awesome.

Posted by: jakeman at October 05, 2016 01:31 PM (yKkl0)

291 Jim Van Der Hei

Never trust a man with three last names.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 05, 2016 01:32 PM (kTF2Z)

292 The Catholic vote has been fractured for some time now, as has the Church itself.

many older people are dems because, that's what they were and are. Some young and sadly much of what remains of the clergy is hard socialist.Remember that much of the Church was mad for obamacare, even after Catholic organizations were attacked.

Also there's the gutting of immigration laws and hatred for the death penalty.

There's reasons why parishes are closing and the generation gap in attendance is so stark.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 05, 2016 01:32 PM (326rv)

293 Eventually, when enough purported Catholics finally get to enough, and leave that rotten Party, once and for all (JFK has been dead for 53 years, idiots), the Democrat Party will be in shambles.

I am catholic (converted from a nominal undefined christian 8 years ago) It causes me much confusion and some pain the Leftisim and rot that I see. I don't understand it.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 05, 2016 01:32 PM (hMqvx)

294 There are a lot of self-identified Catholics, but they don't go to mass. In other words, they aren't Catholic.

What makes Kaine grating is he states how Catholic he is and how much his faith means to him.

He should be ex-communicated and pronto.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (gmeXX)

271 @260 BurtTC

At this stage, you can only vote D as a Catholic if you are butt-ass ignorant or really an unbeliever. I can't imagine that there's that much hay to be made among Catholics who are more than merely nominal.

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (9MlEz)



There is another sub-set, who think themselves to be practicing Catholics, who have twisted their logic around so much, due to their belief in the Democrat Party as a twin tower to their Catholic identity.


They're not bright, that's for sure, but they also believe these two things are not incompatible.


Do I believe Sugar Kaine will push them over the edge? I doubt it. But he could.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:32 PM (TOk1P)

295 >>What makes Kaine grating is he states how Catholic he is and how much his faith means to him.


And what make Hillary grating is that she's said that she wants to force churches to revise their values to meet current trends. Mr. Uber-Catholic Kaine would have no problem helping her with this.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 01:33 PM (NOIQH)

296 >> "Americans don't have any right to block Islamic
>> immigration." Tim Kaine.

As usual he has it exactly backward.

Posted by: JEM at October 05, 2016 01:33 PM (TppKb)

297 many older people are dems because, that's what they were and are.

---------

This is true. My grandparents are devout Catholics but vote Dem many times because they were simply FDR democrats.

That being said, they are voting Trump this year.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:33 PM (gmeXX)

298 288 I see quite a few "conservatives" lamenting the same thing."You said all that terrible stuff about super nice guy Mitt Romney now you have a guy who really is that bad!"

Posted by: steevy at October 05, 2016 01:34 PM (fA75F)

299 Those polls obviously have to be wrong.. Everybody loves Cankles !!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 05, 2016 01:30 PM (NuElX)




I love that clip from MSNBC with them asking the womyn if they feel connect with the Beast. A resounding NO! was a beautiful thing to hear. The MFM will be sending that down the memory hole

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 01:35 PM (OE2ur)

300 The Catholic vote has been fractured for some time now, as has the Church itself.

many older people are dems because, that's what they were and are. Some young and sadly much of what remains of the clergy is hard socialist.Remember that much of the Church was mad for obamacare, even after Catholic organizations were attacked.

Also there's the gutting of immigration laws and hatred for the death penalty.

There's reasons why parishes are closing and the generation gap in attendance is so stark.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 05, 2016 01:32 PM (326rv)



Yep. Add to that, a communist Pope, and it makes many of these people uncomfortable, but they still manage to maintain mutually contradictory beliefs.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:35 PM (TOk1P)

301 Yep. Or Hermie, the dentist elf from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (TOk1P)



Oh, fuck you, man.

Those teeth of yours are coming' out tonight! You thought the Bumble looked goofy...well...

Posted by: Hermie at October 05, 2016 01:35 PM (0cMkb)

302 Yep. Add to that, a communist Pope, and it makes many of these people uncomfortable, but they still manage to maintain mutually contradictory beliefs.

------------

He's been quite clear on the sanctity of life.

So there is that.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:35 PM (gmeXX)

303 One should really read the Bishop of the archdioceses(?) that Pelousy belongs to explaining why she hasn't been excommunicated.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (mpXpK)

304 I remember when we speculated on this blog that Obama picked Biden as running mate in order to make himself look smart by comparison.

It's kind of shaping up to look like Hillary picked Kaine to make herself look likable by comparison.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (4ng05)

305 Meagain may copy my hairstyle and MindFreak the squares out!

Posted by: Criss Angel at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (JO9+V)

306 Looks like Morning Joe doesn't like having the newsroom proles poaching on his cushy opinion gig.

Posted by: Jean at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (ngn8T)

307 Yes, there are lots of "Catholics" who don't give a damn about killing babies, but there are also lots who are damn close to being done with the Democrat Party because they keep getting more frothingly ghoulish about killing more and more babies.
*******
I thought Pence's reply to the abortion question stood out in the debate compared to the shitweasel Kaine. Pence was sincerely respectful to Kaine and gave a heartfelt genuine answer while kreepy Kaine just amped up the asshole factor.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (6IPEM)

308 Want to see a magic trick? I can make Hillary's lead disappear.

Posted by: Tim the creepy clown Kaine at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (fgOnp)

309 Many Catholics fall into the trap of Big Government = Caring for the poor. Despite that care for the poor is supposed to be an act of loving sacrifice, not making the state raise taxes on someone else.

Posted by: josephistan at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (7HtZB)

310 I can't imagine that there's that much hay to be made among Catholics who are more than merely nominal.

Someone thinks there is. Last week's Weekly Standard had a full-page, inside-front-cover advertisement from some Catholic-claiming Social Justice group, saying that Catholic Social Justice requires that Catholics support abortion.

Or, perhaps they're having trouble getting advertisers.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 05, 2016 01:37 PM (2lndx)

311
Jim Van Der Hei
Never trust a man with three last names.
Posted by: Duke Lowell



It's "Jim VandeHei". Just the one.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 05, 2016 01:37 PM (kdS6q)

312 The likelihood of that happening is really really small. Its zero with Pope Commie the First.

Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2016 01:30 PM (bMG0w)



The Fresh Pope would more likely ex-communicate any priest/bishop who tried to deny Sugar Kaine from taking communion.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:37 PM (TOk1P)

313 And Hillary's own Pravda failed to mention the child asking (reading) her question about mean Trump, was a child actor. Rush yesterday mentioned how staged it seemed, but now they found she was acquired locally for the role.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEqU71k0zAc

Posted by: illiniwek at October 05, 2016 01:38 PM (n6rAX)

314 300, Yep. Add to that, a communist Pope, and it makes
many of these people uncomfortable, but they still manage to
maintain mutually contradictory beliefs.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:35 PM (TOk1P)
Yeah. Our priest mentioned once during his homily 'we should build bridges and not walls' - right out of the D playbook. I was pissed, did not attend mass for a few weeks while I stewed.

Posted by: IC at October 05, 2016 01:38 PM (a0IVu)

315 Well this will do wonders for Hillary with Millennials.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hr2cooh

Al Gore to campaign for Hillary.
Yeah maybe not the magic solution they think it will be.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 05, 2016 01:38 PM (tf9Ne)

316 Politico Founder Jim Van Der Hei: I've Always Defended the Media Against Bias Charges,

Proving that you always knew they were biased and you have been and are biased right along with them.

We know. We've known all along.

But This Year, They've Proven Themselves to Be Hyperpartisan Embarrassments

They're not being subtle enough in their biases for you, now?

Van Der Hei fancies himself a pro-leftist bias connoisseur.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 05, 2016 01:38 PM (zc3Db)

317 I am catholic (converted from a nominal undefined christian 8 years ago) It causes me much confusion and some pain the Leftisim and rot that I see. I don't understand it.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 05, 2016 01:32 PM (hMqvx)




The left has infiltrated everything. Spreading destruction as it goes.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 01:38 PM (OE2ur)

318 Hey now...we've all stabbed an American infidel or two, so it would be fairly hypocritical of us to deny Muslims that same opportunity to fulfill the American Dream.

Posted by: Tim Kaine at October 05, 2016 01:38 PM (BrQrN)

319 There is another sub-set, who think themselves to be practicing Catholics, who have twisted their logic around so much, due to their belief in the Democrat Party as a twin tower to their Catholic identity.

+++

Common in the NE. Catholic is democrat, protestant is republican. They tend towards being involved in local and state politics however

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at October 05, 2016 01:39 PM (PFr9D)

320 He should be ex-communicated and pronto.


Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (gmeXX)


****

He is excommunicated. He does that himself. He is "not in communion" and if he receives while in his state of mortal sin, he has committed the ultimate sacrilege against the real body of Christ. That's on him and him alone.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:39 PM (09Ay7)

321 Yep. Add to that, a communist Pope, and it makes many of these people uncomfortable, but they still manage to maintain mutually contradictory beliefs.

------------

He's been quite clear on the sanctity of life.

So there is that.

Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:35 PM (gmeXX)



Clear. And thinks we should shut up about it.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:39 PM (TOk1P)

322 304 I remember when we speculated on this blog that Obama picked Biden as running mate in order to make himself look smart by comparison.

It's kind of shaping up to look like Hillary picked Kaine to make herself look likable by comparison.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (4ng05)

If so, it's a bit like Lenin having Stalin as a running mate.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at October 05, 2016 01:39 PM (RD7QR)

323 "This is true. My grandparents are devout Catholics but vote Dem many times because they were simply FDR democrats."


I had a lot of relatives like that, although my own parents left the Dem party after Roe v. Wade. If I had a nickel every time I heard "Democrats are the party of the working guy" growing up, I'd be rich.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2016 01:40 PM (OD2ni)

324 305 Meagain may copy my hairstyle and MindFreak the squares out!
Posted by: Criss Angel at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (JO9+V)


She got her hairstyle and her "Leave Hillary Alone" shtick from me!

Posted by: Chris Crocker at October 05, 2016 01:40 PM (fgOnp)

325 In the meantime, a NSA contractor waltzes out of the building with beyond top secret documents. We are so serious as a nation.

Posted by: ejo at October 05, 2016 01:40 PM (il4FI)

326 I make it to mass weekly and try to hold up my obligations that are beyond weekly attendance. So I guess I'm more devout than most... I fail to see how a "real" catholic could vote Dem. I would like to see more Leadership about what is acceptable from Catholics and their vote or claiming to be catholic and being a politician. It will never happen of course but should.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 05, 2016 01:40 PM (hMqvx)

327 The Left are Satan's allies,whether they believe or not.

Posted by: steevy at October 05, 2016 01:40 PM (fA75F)

328 I am praying the next Pope is from one of the African nations, very orthodox, conservative and fiery - please Holy Spirit, let it be so.

Posted by: IC at October 05, 2016 01:41 PM (a0IVu)

329 Kaine is nasty, always hiding behind that fake smile and talk of "reaching across the aisle." Then he acts just like Harry Reid. He's a perfect example of today's dem. party.

The media told us what a great guy he was when he got the nod. A few people might have seen that as a lie last night & feel betrayed.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at October 05, 2016 01:41 PM (GzDYP)

330 The far left infiltrated the Church post vatican II when there was a lack of catechesis and proper rubrics. Due to this gap, there were decades of the left filling the void with marxism.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:41 PM (09Ay7)

331 "He is excommunicated. He does that himself. He is "not in communion" and if he receives while in his state of mortal sin, he has committed the ultimate sacrilege against the real body of Christ. That's on him and him alone."


Exactly. St. Paul was pretty clear about those who receive unworthily....

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2016 01:41 PM (OD2ni)

332 Catholic Social Justice requires that Catholics support abortion

Think about that for a moment. The gag before that was the bullshit about a "seamless garment" and that we were supposed to look at a variety of positions.

So much for that line of shit. Now we HAVE to be in favor of it.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 05, 2016 01:42 PM (326rv)

333 *****Megyno always dresses like a slut. Oh, please, take my badassness seriously while I flash you my woo-woo.


Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:16 PM (09Ay7)

LOL

Posted by: An Observation at October 05, 2016 01:42 PM (MimoF)

334 Btw, here is an example of collusion.

Remember that Monmouth poll a couple weeks ago? They had one "issue" question. It was on Trump's supposed "birtherism". This is telling because the poll was taken the exact same time the media started making a fuss about it.

A truly independent organization would have not had the information to even think of asking the question. Trump hasn't been running on it and has never brought it up. You as a pollster have a limited number of questions to ask, birtherism never ranks in any list of voter issues, yet somehow this ONE AND ONLY issue question made the cut. And exactly at the same time the MSM started to hit the issue out of nowhere.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 05, 2016 01:43 PM (OHGnA)

335 Any catholics here need to visit "Eye of the Tiber". It's hysterical. A good priest recommended it to me last night. If you're not catholic you won't "get" most of the humor.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:43 PM (09Ay7)

336 A few billion dollars worth of Vatican art and artifacts sure could feed and clothe a lot of poor.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 05, 2016 01:43 PM (mleV+)

337 OT, sort of, but Forbes is reporting Monday Night Football viewership is down 19%. The league's political bullshit is taking a huge toll. With any luck the same will be true for media companies too.

Posted by: MTF at October 05, 2016 01:44 PM (LISuA)

338 Jim Van Der Hei
Never trust a man with three last names.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

It's "Jim VandeHei". Just the one.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 05, 2016 01:37 PM (kdS6q)


Never trust the Dutch!


So yeah, either/or.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:44 PM (TOk1P)

339 THIS is CNN:

https://tinyurl.com/hq3t952

And it should be illegal.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 05, 2016 01:44 PM (4ng05)

340 Catholics believe the nonsense that Jesus was a socialist because he fed the masses with the fishes and loaves and said "render unto Caesar...."

Posted by: A Blinkin at October 05, 2016 01:44 PM (2ot48)

341 There are a long list of assholes like Kaine who need to be ex-communicated.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 01:29 PM (OE2ur)


Have you took a really good look at the American Catholic Church lately? If Kaine ever did get excommunicated, there would be a stampede of boot-licking "men of God" all too willing to give him Holy Communion to show how "tolerant" and "loving" they are. Cardinal Dolan would probably invite him to preach a homily.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 01:44 PM (X6fMO)

342 I remember when we speculated on this blog that Obama picked Biden as running mate in order to make himself look smart by comparison.

It's kind of shaping up to look like Hillary picked Kaine to make herself look likable by comparison.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (4ng05)

And Trump picked someone who is pretty sharp. That can only help Trump.

Has this put him in a position to run for president next go round?

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at October 05, 2016 01:45 PM (Ee2nz)

343 Catholic Social Justice requires that Catholics support abortion

****

Right, because murdering innocent people is "just." Their whole schtik is logic-free.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:45 PM (09Ay7)

344 A few billion dollars worth of Vatican art and artifacts sure could feed and clothe a lot of poor.

BURN THE HERETIC! /guy wearing a dress and a solid-gold hat.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at October 05, 2016 01:45 PM (nd1zx)

345 Have you took a really good look at the American Catholic Church lately? If Kaine ever did get excommunicated, there would be a stampede of boot-licking "men of God" all too willing to give him Holy Communion to show how "tolerant" and "loving" they are. Cardinal Dolan would probably invite him to preach a homily.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

The bishop here bragged about supporting Biden.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 05, 2016 01:45 PM (326rv)

346
If I had a nickel every time I heard "Democrats are the party of the working guy" growing up, I'd be rich.
Posted by: Benji Carver


It seems to me
I could live my life
A lot better than I think I am
I guess that's why they call me
They call me the workin' man

Posted by: Wall Street Tycoon at October 05, 2016 01:45 PM (IqV8l)

347 The far left infiltrated the Church post vatican II when there was a lack of catechesis and proper rubrics. Due to this gap, there were decades of the left filling the void with marxism.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:41 PM (09Ay7)

They also filled the void by allowing known gay men to become priests. This is never mentioned. It was gay priests who diddled with post-pubescent young men. Pedophilia is a different thing; but either way, it was the gays that did it.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (TF+0P)

348 309 Many Catholics fall into the trap of Big Government = Caring for the poor. Despite that care for the poor is supposed to be an act of loving sacrifice, not making the state raise taxes on someone else.
Posted by: josephistan at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (7HtZB)
===

Agreed. This can be traced back to during the 1960's a lot of men who were leftists and accepted into seminaries and became priests. And despite what someone else above said, I've come across quite a few younger priests who are much more traditional than the older ones. There were two who were at my church for a brief time and they both described themselves as "John Paul II" priests and wore old fashioned style cassocks. It is the older ones I'm more likely to hear the social justice crap from. A sad legacy of Cardinal Bernardin and his seamless garment approach.

Posted by: Independent George at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (BDZWU)

349 336. I have a friend who is an Anglican priest who firmly believes that it is the governments job to take care of the pot and needy, not the church.

Posted by: A Blinkin at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (2ot48)

350 "340 Catholics believe the nonsense that Jesus was a socialist because he fed the masses with the fishes and loaves and said "render unto Caesar...."
Posted by: A Blinkin"


A bit of a broad brush there, friend.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (OD2ni)

351 The media told us what a great guy he was when he got the nod. A few people might have seen that as a lie last night & feel betrayed.
Posted by: OldDominionMom at October 05, 2016 01:41 PM
*****
Last night was my first introduction to that guy as well and he was so much worse than I expected. He was just plain rude. I can't imagine he has any appeal to anyone other hyperpartisan leftists. The creepy clown vibe must turn off any normal woman.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (6IPEM)

352 341 There are a long list of assholes like Kaine who need to be ex-communicated.


Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 01:29 PM (OE2ur)


Have you took a really good look at the American Catholic Church lately? If Kaine ever did get excommunicated, there would be a stampede of boot-licking "men of God" all too willing to give him Holy Communion to show how "tolerant" and "loving" they are. Cardinal Dolan would probably invite him to preach a homily.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 01:44 PM (X6fMO)
*****
Doesn't matter. It's not up to the "giver" (administer) of communion to make it call, it's up to the person who receives it. He has excommunicated himself. He condemns his own soul. No amount of equivocation by the SJWs can change that.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:47 PM (09Ay7)

353 He's been quite clear on the sanctity of life.


FWIW, the Pope has recently come out as transphobic. He is against the teaching of gender ID to children.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 05, 2016 01:47 PM (Pby3z)

354 Kaine is a Liberation Theology -or- Christianized Marxism guy.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at October 05, 2016 01:47 PM (GzDYP)

355 NWS has posted its "2pm" Hurricane Matthew update. Eyewall is becoming better defiend, intensity has picked up a bit.

Stay safe, east coast morons.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 05, 2016 01:47 PM (wtvvX)

356 343 Catholic Social Justice requires that Catholics support abortion.
===

Pretty much this. Groups like Catholic Social Services routinely give money to abortion providers like planned parenthood.

Posted by: Independent George at October 05, 2016 01:48 PM (BDZWU)

357 To you all who are not catholic, please reconsider that you know what we believe. I don't claim to know what you believe don't presume to know what I believe. Thanks.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 05, 2016 01:48 PM (hMqvx)

358 The Abu Ghraib scandal happened because a bunch of millennials committed war crimes, took pictures of them and then posted the pictures on the internet.


Millennial journalists seem to do the same thing on Twitter. I don't understand the compulsion the millennial generation has to post their bad behavior on the internet for everyone in the world to see.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at October 05, 2016 01:48 PM (aXetp)

359
Kaine is a Liberation Theology

Gonna liberate the money right out of your wallet.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 05, 2016 01:49 PM (IqV8l)

360 FWIW, the Pope has recently come out as transphobic. He is against the teaching of gender ID to children.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 05, 2016 01:47 PM (Pby3z)



Ok, fake Brucella, please clarify. Did The Fresh Pope say he doesn't believe in identifying gender (i.e. male or female) with children, or he's opposed to suggesting children should be given a rainbow of choices on the matter?


Or are you just making this up, being a fake woman and all?

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:49 PM (TOk1P)

361 OT, sort of, but Forbes is reporting Monday Night Football viewership is down 19%. The league's political bullshit is taking a huge toll. With any luck the same will be true for media companies too.
Posted by: MTF at October 05, 2016 01:44 PM (LISuA)
*****
Gateway pundit had a post up yesterday about a poll showing that 1 out 3 people are boycotting the NFL this year bc of the BLM pandering BS. That's a pretty impressive number if accurate

Posted by: L, Elle at October 05, 2016 01:49 PM (6IPEM)

362 The left has infiltrated everything. Spreading destruction as it goes.


Surveys of those who identify as Catholics show the same support for abortion and SSM as the general population.

They have somehow conned themselves into believing that Social Justice >>>> killing infants

Pope Francis just reinforces their beliefs

Always flummoxed when I go to Mass and see Obama / Hillary bumper stickers

Posted by: McCool at October 05, 2016 01:49 PM (H/bVO)

363 They also filled the void by allowing known gay men to become priests. This is never mentioned. It was gay priests who diddled with post-pubescent young men. Pedophilia is a different thing; but either way, it was the gays that did it.Posted by: JoeF. at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (TF+0P)

The papal nuncio, the guy who promoted bishops in the US was a long time big queer for years. It caused the USCCB to be a festering homosexual extravaganza and the seminaries followed. It was always a gay thing. I'm convinced that this same lobby is who ran out Benedict.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:49 PM (09Ay7)

364 Doesn't matter. It's not up to the "giver" (administer) of communion to make it call, it's up to the person who receives it. He has excommunicated himself. He condemns his own soul. No amount of equivocation by the SJWs can change that.


Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:47 PM (09Ay7)


Oh, quite true, dagny, and I didn't mean to disagree. My sneer was at the PC RCC of today and "Catholics" like Kaine who would take a formal excommunication as a badge of honor.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 01:50 PM (X6fMO)

365 >>But This Year, They've Proven Themselves to Be Hyperpartisan Embarrassments


I think the difference this year is that Hillary is just so bad they cannot be subtle. Tried and true approaches, such as fawning over the candidate's family/marriage or claiming the candidate is a fashion icon come off like something from the Onion. Hillary is an awful candidate, a worse human being, and we simply know too much about her for the typical spin to not look forced and obvious.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 01:51 PM (NOIQH)

366 I don't usually listen to Rush, but today he was an tear about the completely embarrassing behavior of Tim Kaine and the coordination of the talking points. Everybody on the left saying, "Pence was getting ready to run in 2020 because he knows Trump is going to lose"

I'm glad that somebody on the left sees their bias and is somewhat bothered by it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 01:51 PM (EnGQE)

367 349 336. I have a friend who is an Anglican priest who firmly believes that it is the governments job to take care of the pot and needy, not the church.
Posted by: A Blinkin at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (2ot4

---------------

Wait, the Anglican Church takes care of the pot for you? Count me in!

Posted by: Gary Johnson at October 05, 2016 01:51 PM (kTF2Z)

368 Al Gore to campaign for Hillary.

I thought Obumbles was taking "the entire" month of October to raise-da-roof for Killery. Maybe Billy Jeff running down Ocare caused his planner to (unexpectedly) fill up.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 05, 2016 01:51 PM (SeD0w)

369 Cultural Catholics vs. Actual Catholics.

It's kinda like Secular Jews. It's part of their perceived identity, but not part of who they really are, if you see what I'm saying.

I say this as a not particularly observant Catholic who hasn't been to church in a couple of years and would have drifted elsewhere by now if it weren't for other circumstances.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at October 05, 2016 01:52 PM (9krrF)

370 349 336. I have a friend who is an Anglican priest who firmly believes that it is the governments job to take care of the pot and needy, not the church.
Posted by: A Blinkin at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (2ot4

That's what I've been saying, man! It IS the job of the government to care of the pot!

Posted by: Gary Johnson at October 05, 2016 01:52 PM (7HtZB)

371 Agreed. This can be traced back to during the
1960's a lot of men who were leftists and accepted into seminaries and
became priests. And despite what someone else above said, I've come
across quite a few younger priests who are much more traditional than
the older ones. There were two who were at my church for a brief time
and they both described themselves as "John Paul II" priests and wore
old fashioned style cassocks. It is the older ones I'm more likely to
hear the social justice crap from. A sad legacy of Cardinal Bernardin
and his seamless garment approach.

Posted by: Independent George at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (BDZWU)
--My local parish preaches a non-stop drumbeat of pro-immigration tolerance, when they are not pressing for additional charity to Haiti or Africa.
Its funny, a few weeks ago the reading (which I believe is set by the church hierarchy, not the local parishes) was more in a fire-and-brimstone style, and the priests were tripping over themselves to make it sound less harsh than what it was.

Posted by: Revenant at October 05, 2016 01:52 PM (3DSAh)

372 Wait, the Anglican Church takes care of the pot for you? Count me in!
Posted by: Gary Johnson at October 05, 2016 01:51 PM (kTF2Z)

Whoa, dude. Mind = blown!

Posted by: Gary Johnson at October 05, 2016 01:53 PM (7HtZB)

373 >>Gateway pundit had a post up yesterday about a poll showing that 1 out 3
people are boycotting the NFL this year bc of the BLM pandering BS.
That's a pretty impressive number if accurate


I didn't intend to boycott, but this past Sunday I didn't even check in on the games of the two teams I like, which I've done the past few weekends. Just...couldn't be bothered.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 01:53 PM (NOIQH)

374 Maybe Clinton can get Jimmy Carter to also campaign for her.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 05, 2016 01:54 PM (7ZVPa)

375 The reason one builds a bridge is to cross a barrier.

At this point there are no barriers, that's why we need a wall instead of a bridge.

Good fences make good neighbors

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 05, 2016 01:54 PM (OHGnA)

376 Surveys of those who identify as Catholics show the same support for abortion and SSM as the general population.

******

There are a lot of people who "identify" as catholic who aren't anymore catholic than my dog, much less, actually. If they were to survey "mass going" Catholics------which is the actual measure of catholicism, sorta, the numbers would be vastly different. No other denomination gets screwed by this measure. People don't run around "identifying" as 7th Day Adventists or non-practicing Mormons, or Buddhists. However, random people who haven't even been confirmed or go to mass maybe near easter run around "identifying" as Catholics. They aren't. It's a scam.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:54 PM (09Ay7)

377 263 If you can't remove the dick puncher, the only recourse is to remove the dick.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 05, 2016 01:26 PM (Pby3z)

We are ready and waiting!

Posted by: The Whee Willie Whackers! at October 05, 2016 01:54 PM (drxKF)

378 Catholics believe the nonsense that Jesus was a socialist because he fed the masses with the fishes and loaves and said "render unto Caesar...."

Posted by: A Blinkin at October 05, 2016 01:44 PM (2ot4



Yes, we all believe that. Each and every one us.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 01:54 PM (493sH)

379 I'm terrified that I receive when I'm not worthy. I pray about it often. I can't believe that the Progressive type Catholics are comfortable with themselves.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 05, 2016 01:55 PM (hMqvx)

380 I don't usually listen to Rush, but today he was an tear about the completely embarrassing behavior of Tim Kaine and the coordination of the talking points. Everybody on the left saying, "Pence was getting ready to run in 2020 because he knows Trump is going to lose"

I'm glad that somebody on the left sees their bias and is somewhat bothered by it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 01:



This is ad hoc post-debate spin. They are already weaving a narrative. Pence may very well have his eye on running in 2020, but to say that he "knows" Trump is going to lose is pure-BS. The better he looks, the better Trump's chances are.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 05, 2016 01:55 PM (TF+0P)

381 Posted by: L, Elle at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (6IPEM)

He appeals to those who have embraced the hate for anyone who is not on their team.

His last act as Gov. was to close all highway rest stops out of spite for not getting the tax/budget crap he wanted. His side thought that was awesome.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at October 05, 2016 01:55 PM (GzDYP)

382 Obnoxious, wrong. The Abu Ghraib "scandal" was mostly the insanely distorted "coverage" of a very small incident - it received more above-the-fold NYT stories than the Pearl Harbor attack did in the months following.


ThunderB would scold me, pointing out that it was critical to always come down hard on any stupid mistreatment of detainees - and she'd be mostly right. But that goes to the court martial and the very harsh sentencing. The media hysteria was an entirely separate matter.


And the photos were not posted on the 'net by the perps. The lawyer for the lead defendant leaked them, hoping to help his client (can't recall his reasoning, looks bizarre on the face of it, may have been to poison the jury pool/make the case impossible to prosecute).


And the military discovered the misconduct. And twice - twice - the US govt. teased the story to the press, which showed little interest. Yes - the US actually pushed the story to press (probably in a misguided effort to impress the Iraqis about our rectitude and fairness - something any thinking Iraqi instantly accepted anyway, as evidenced by the many times the "insurgents" demanded US participation or guarantees to deals they made with the new Iraqi govt.).


The press yawned and had no interest. Until the photos.


A pretty outstanding, educational chapter that illustrates a lot of what I've said in comments above.


The still-dumbfounding passivity and incompetence of the Bush admin. in nuking the distortion and hysteria over this - and so much else - is a separate topic.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 05, 2016 01:55 PM (QDnY+)

383 The latest spin is that Trump is mad because Pence did so well.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 05, 2016 01:56 PM (7ZVPa)

384 Cultural Catholics vs. Actual Catholics

So much this. So many friends of ours are the former; they readily admit the whole "Baptism/Confirmation/Marriage" thing is pretty much just a social event for them. They also loves them some SJW abortionism.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 05, 2016 01:56 PM (wtvvX)

385 376 Surveys of those who identify as Catholics show the same support for abortion and SSM as the general population.

******

There are a lot of people who "identify" as catholic who aren't anymore catholic than my dog, much less, actually. If they were to survey "mass going" Catholics------which is the actual measure of catholicism, sorta, the numbers would be vastly different. No other denomination gets screwed by this measure. People don't run around "identifying" as 7th Day Adventists or non-practicing Mormons, or Buddhists. However, random people who haven't even been confirmed or go to mass maybe near easter run around "identifying" as Catholics. They aren't. It's a scam.
Posted by: deplorable dagny


This x1000.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 05, 2016 01:56 PM (hMqvx)

386 At mass on the 4th of July, the pastor of my parish said during the homily that in recent years the 4th only makes him sad to think of how the legacy of The Greatest Generation was squandered by their petulant children.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at October 05, 2016 01:57 PM (aXetp)

387 Have you took a really good look at the American Catholic Church lately? If Kaine ever did get excommunicated, there would be a stampede of boot-licking "men of God" all too willing to give him Holy Communion to show how "tolerant" and "loving" they are. Cardinal Dolan would probably invite him to preach a homily.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 01:44 PM (X6fMO)




Yes, I used to attend this beautifully traditional church in the city. Then moved to the burbs (don't ask why) and it's all peace and justice BS. I'd like to take the faggy looking pastor down to 63rd and Stony Island throw him out of the car and say preach it here, preach it here.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 01:57 PM (493sH)

388 So much this. So many friends of ours are the former; they readily
admit the whole "Baptism/Confirmation/Marriage" thing is pretty much
just a social event for them.
--
More and more so too. We were invited to the baptism of the son of two friends who we have drifted away from over the years. Big gala event, akin to a wedding reception afterwards. Open bar, the whole nine.

Neither one of them attends mass regularly. Its a social/cultural event.

Posted by: Revenant at October 05, 2016 01:58 PM (3DSAh)

389 237 Uh oh. If Lynch sends Comey out again to explain this, I hope his weasel suit is cleaned and pressed:

https://tinyurl.com/z5wg6yd

DOJ abruptly drops charges against gun runner who threatened to expose Clinton Libya dealings.


Humph.

Posted by: Ollie North at October 05, 2016 01:58 PM (SgUT6)

390 I'm terrified that I receive when I'm not worthy. I pray about it often. I can't believe that the Progressive type Catholics are comfortable with themselves.

Posted by: USNtakim


I seem to recall: "Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word and I shall be healed."

He comes for those who doubt themselves to make them whole. The ones who are so cocksure, those modern Pharisees...they're going to have a bit more trouble.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at October 05, 2016 01:58 PM (9krrF)

391 The progressive Catholics took their cues from the Progressive WASPS and Jews. A lot of this stems from Upward Mobility.
As a social or ethnic group rises higher in the US economic system and social status, it tends to become "less-religious" at the retail level. It's tribal affiliation becomes it's social-class and less it's religious affiliation.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 05, 2016 01:58 PM (TF+0P)

392 Uh oh. If Lynch sends Comey out again to explain this, I hope his weasel suit is cleaned and pressed:

https://tinyurl.com/z5wg6yd

DOJ abruptly drops charges against gun runner who threatened to expose Clinton Libya dealings.


Humph.

Posted by: Ollie North at October 05, 2016 01:58 PM (SgUT6)




Even Capt. Renault can't feign phony shock any more

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 01:59 PM (493sH)

393 There are many crappy priests who enjoy carrying the sjw water. There are also many many good ones. It varies like anything else. I call them on errors.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:59 PM (09Ay7)

394 Yes, we all believe that. Each and every one us.Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 01:54 PM (493sH)

*****Yeah, I was just saying that the other day. I also "believe" all kinds of non-doctrinal pap created in the minds of Chick-tract readers.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 02:01 PM (09Ay7)

395 They're all losing money but still around because Rich Tranzis dump money into them. #NeverTrump now has Conservatism Inc. following the same path without the Rich Tranzi donors. This should work as well as most GOPe policy.

Posted by: DaveA at October 05, 2016 02:02 PM (8J/Te)

396 At least we aren't putting carrots in our Jello. Sheesh...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at October 05, 2016 02:02 PM (9krrF)

397 A friend of Kaine's has posted here and says that despite how he looks, he is shrewd and ambitious.
---------

See also: Psychopathy.

It's common among the Left. Kaine tripped up because he thought he was coming across as amusingly astute. I mean, acting the clown worked for Slow Joe.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2016 02:03 PM (9mTYi)

398
This can be traced back to during the
1960's a lot of men who were leftists and accepted into seminaries and
became priests.












Draft-dodging? That'd be my guess.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 05, 2016 02:03 PM (LuZz8)

399 I miss my old parish priest. He really loved being a priest, wasn't afraid to mention the unmentionable things in his homilies, liked cigars & whiskey & spent his vacations going hunting. A good man by any standard.

Posted by: josephistan at October 05, 2016 02:03 PM (7HtZB)

400 More and more so too. We were invited to the baptism of the son of two friends who we have drifted away from over the years. Big gala event, akin to a wedding reception afterwards. Open bar, the whole nine.

Neither one of them attends mass regularly. Its a social/cultural event.


Posted by: Revenant at October 05, 2016 01:58 PM (3DSAh)



Ann Barnhart calls people like that (and a great number of clergy, too) ones who don't really believe in what the Church teaches and are amazed (and slightly embarrassed) when they come across someone who does.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 02:03 PM (X6fMO)

401 At least we aren't putting carrots in our Jello. Sheesh...

Posted by: Brother Cavil


---

Better the jello than the chili

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 05, 2016 02:04 PM (7ZVPa)

402 He's a Dutchman. Those crafty buggers would sell your soul at discount for a kickback from the devil.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at October 05, 2016 02:04 PM (FtrY1)

403 The latest spin is that Trump is mad because Pence did so well.
That is a Huffblo hit piece. Trump was on my Twatter feed all night, and was very gracious this morning about his good performance. They're just making shit up now. See also: One-Eye Harry Reed.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 05, 2016 02:04 PM (SeD0w)

404 I think some of you folks who are unhappy in the Roman Catholic Church should consider investigating the Eastern Orthodox Church. The Western church and the Eastern Church started out as one, but then in the Great Schism separated. Eastern Orthodoxy doesn't have a Pope. They have Patriarchs but no single authority. They're very traditional as far as beliefs about marriage-although priests can marry, not Archbishops. I've been attending an Orthodox Church for a while when i can. i would say that the priest believes in outreach for the church-helping the poor, etc, which is a good thing, but I have never heard him give a sermon that sounds like anywhere near the American left .

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 02:04 PM (EnGQE)

405 Lot of gossipy church ladies in here, I wish MUMR would post...

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 05, 2016 02:05 PM (dcMp6)

406
I seem to recall: "Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word and I shall be healed."

He comes for those who doubt themselves to make them whole. The ones who are so cocksure, those modern Pharisees...they're going to have a bit more trouble.

That helps me every week but I still have a private little prayer to ask forgiveness. I'm far from perfect.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 05, 2016 02:05 PM (hMqvx)

407 This can be traced back to during the
1960's a lot of men who were leftists and accepted into seminaries and became priests.

Draft-dodging? That'd be my guess.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 05, 2016 02:03 PM (LuZz



The lefty priests who taught at my high school being a prime example and used to tell us they can't put you in the military if you're in the priesthood. I guess they thought it was a selling point. Asswipes

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 02:06 PM (493sH)

408 And here's a website for the Orthodox Church in America:

https://oca.org/orthodoxy

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 02:06 PM (EnGQE)

409 This can be traced back to during the
1960's a lot of men who were leftists and accepted into seminaries and
became priests.

------

Draft-dodging? That'd be my guess.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur

---

A lot of it, yes. Many leftists saw it as a way to infiltrate as well as avoid the draft. I'd say that explains a lot about many of the issues surrounding social justice as well as molestation.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 05, 2016 02:06 PM (7ZVPa)

410 "A few billion dollars worth of Vatican art and artifacts sure could feed and clothe a lot of poor."
--------------------
Damned straight!
That's what I was trying to tell the chick washing Christ's feet with the expensive oil.
I mean, you don't really buy that "man-does-not-live-by-bread-alone" crap do you?

Posted by: Judas Iscariot at October 05, 2016 02:07 PM (Nox3c)

411 Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 02:06 PM (493sH)

That's funny. The priest at the Eastern Orthodox church I have been attending was a Chaplain in the Army before he retired and went back into the local church.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 02:08 PM (EnGQE)

412 Judas, I'm so glad you came.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 05, 2016 02:08 PM (hMqvx)

413 "363 They also filled the void by allowing known gay men to become priests. This is never mentioned. It was gay priests who diddled with post-pubescent young men. Pedophilia is a different thing; but either way, it was the gays that did it.Posted by: JoeF. at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (TF+0P)

The papal nuncio, the guy who promoted bishops in the US was a long time big queer for years. It caused the USCCB to be a festering homosexual extravaganza and the seminaries followed. It was always a gay thing. I'm convinced that this same lobby is who ran out Benedict.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:49 PM (09Ay7)"

The issue with filling the seminaries with gay men, is more recent than most of the abuse that went on. If you go back through the files, look at movies like Spotlight and the original reporting, look at perps like Geoghan and Shanley, those guys were all ordained in the early 60's when there were still a ton of men entering the priesthood. Go to 70's, 80's and 90's and the massive drop off in vocations, for the seminary issues. There are certainly cases of abuse later, but the bulk of it was stuff from back in the 60's and 70's.

I was working on a engineering project in Queens and a parish, where they closed the school and were leasing it to the BoE. Met the Pastor, shook his hand, guy gave me the heebie jeebies. I talked to my colleague, and said "this guy is off" a few years later followed up on the project after I changed jobs, and found out he was removed amid allegations from the same time period, a bunch of classmates from the HS he was assigned to at the time got together and realized they had all been abused by the same guy. Dude kept a log of his conquests....

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at October 05, 2016 02:08 PM (Uy8SG)

414 "394 Yes, we all believe that. Each and every one us.Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 01:54 PM (493sH)

*****Yeah, I was just saying that the other day. I also "believe" all kinds of non-doctrinal pap created in the minds of Chick-tract readers.
Posted by: deplorable dagny"


Please tell there's not a vocal Jack Chick fan club here. I stopped visiting other sites due to that.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2016 02:09 PM (OD2ni)

415 Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 05, 2016 02:05 PM (dcMp6)

I've always had trouble being a "church lady" AND not telling people to GFY. It's a real problem. I do consider that true, but just. Weird, huh?

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 02:09 PM (09Ay7)

416 #220 My favorite quote from the article linked: "Tim Kaine is the relatable neighbor next door," an Iowa Republican added.

That would be the one the neighbors says they are just "shocked" to discover has been holding prisoners in his basement.

Posted by: Miley's Deplorables at October 05, 2016 02:15 PM (L2UGl)

417 Please tell there's not a vocal Jack Chick fan club here. I stopped visiting other sites due to that.
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2016 02:09 PM (OD2ni)

Sometimes people get into squabbles, but they are usually told to simmer down by other posters so no, I wouldn't say that there's a vocal continent of Jack Chick folks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 02:17 PM (EnGQE)

418 Hey I like Jack Chick. But then I am agnostic. For agnostics Chick tracts are high comedy.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 02:19 PM (4T3xL)

419 That helps me every week but I still have a private little prayer to ask forgiveness. I'm far from perfect.

Posted by: USNtakim


If we were perfect, we wouldn't need Him.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at October 05, 2016 02:20 PM (9krrF)

420
He is excommunicated. He does that himself. He is "not in communion" and if he receives while in his state of mortal sin, he has committed the ultimate sacrilege against the real body of Christ. That's on him and him alone.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:39 PM (09Ay7)


Yeah, I've seen that argument from Catholics all my life.

You have to understand, it looks like utter, spineless BS to us Protestants.

There was a time when the Catholic church actually ex-communicated people who publicly, egregiously contradicted and flouted its teachings and refused correction. Now? It's all this "you ex-communicated yourself" stuff. What's a guy gotta do to actually get kicked out?

There's a reason your pews are filled with "Catholics" who think the church should bend to accommodate them, that there's nothing incompatible about being a hardcore progressive lefty and being Christian, and that the contents of scripture are at best suggestions. It's because the church has decided for decades that if these people are going to wallow in heterodoxy, hey, that's on them to work out; don't bother with correcting or disciplining that stuff.

Posted by: Hal at October 05, 2016 02:23 PM (9+Yad)

421 >> festering homosexual extravaganza

I saw Festering Homosexual Extravaganza open for The Nuns at the Mabuhay in 1979.

Posted by: JEM at October 05, 2016 02:26 PM (TppKb)

422 As a recovering Catholic myself, I nonetheless had respect for the Church not following modern "fashion." But if Nancy Pelosi is still a member in good standing, and the current Pope is sounding off the way he does, well, that's gone.

Tim Kaine? No need to say anything more.

Posted by: Miley's Deplorables at October 05, 2016 02:28 PM (L2UGl)

423 Not that i don't enjoy talking about belief and the church, but i don't want to go back and read the entire thread. Where did we cross over for hyper partisan embarrassment of the media to the RCC?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 02:28 PM (EnGQE)

424 Where did we cross over for hyper partisan embarrassment of the media to the RCC?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 02:28 PM (EnGQE)


At Sugar Kaine bragging about his Catholic faith.

And, as I look at the clock, I see it's time for me to go drink. See you all tomorrow.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 02:30 PM (X6fMO)

425 Please don't compare Tim Kaine to Marilyn Monroe. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 02:32 PM (EnGQE)

426 I think some of you folks who are unhappy in the
Roman Catholic Church should consider investigating the Eastern Orthodox
Church. The Western church and the Eastern Church started out as one,
but then in the Great Schism separated. Eastern Orthodoxy doesn't have a
Pope. They have Patriarchs but no single authority. They're very
traditional as far as beliefs about marriage-although priests can marry,
not Archbishops. I've been attending an Orthodox Church for a while
when i can. i would say that the priest believes in outreach for the
church-helping the poor, etc, which is a good thing, but I have never
heard him give a sermon that sounds like anywhere near the American left
.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 02:04 PM


Speaking as one of the Orthodox Horde, I second the recommendation. If you prefer your services in English, try an OCA church rather than, say a Russian or Greek parish.

And a minor quibble, FS, we allow married men to be ordained, but we don't allow ordained men to marry.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 05, 2016 02:41 PM (bzd8I)

427 Posted by: Judas Iscariot at October 05, 2016 02:07 PM (Nox3c)

Did you talk to the poor woman that gave her last two coins too?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 05, 2016 02:44 PM (mleV+)

428 The crew replacing the cement slab in front of my garage just moved a piece and unearthed a hive of ground bees.

The bees were pissed off.

Three cans of flying insect killer seems to have solved the problem.

Posted by: jwest at October 05, 2016 02:48 PM (Zs4uk)

429 It would seem to me that the Jesus quote "Render unto Ceaser. . ." would be totally against what the current political pope is all about.


And I have really never found anythihng in the bible that prohibits the clergy from marrying. Personally I think that is something that was established to fight the corruption that came up with the popes a long while back in the "turbulent years" of the church.


I also suspect that it had a lot to do with the coming out of Martin Luther and the protestant church.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 05, 2016 03:02 PM (mpXpK)

430 And yes, Vic posted so nood.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 05, 2016 03:03 PM (mpXpK)

431 That strategy worked for Biden against Ryan. Why didn't it work this time?
Posted by: L, Elle at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (L9GR7)

Pence is better than Ryan.
Posted by: Votermom watching a Spanish show at October 05, 2016 12:52 PM (Om16U)

Ryan, IMO, has a sensibility and respect for the different branches of government and their respective offices. He just would not go after Biden and point out Biden's lunatic laughing, joking, etc. because he was the sitting vice president and a member of the Senate via his oversight and tie breaking on Senate votes.
A perfect example of Republican's being enamored of government to the point that they refuse to do anything which might result in someone 'talking bad" about them or the office they hold. Which is why threats of blaming them for everything from a government shut down that the Democrats orchestrate to demanding Republicans give even more money in a non related bill to a pet cause of the Democrats, that the Democrats will take credit for(money for Flint water) work.

Ryan was a perfect example of being so , umm , mannered.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 05, 2016 03:06 PM (ntZAP)

432 Thanks for the correction, RedMindBlueState.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 03:14 PM (EnGQE)

433 Nice ONT and interesting discussions. I have trouble seeing a lot of the media output as bias rather than propaganda, especially when some of the talking points are received daily or on a routine basis from the WH or when the same points are made verbatim by many outlets.

Bias I see as agreeable toward, propaganda as selling pretty much a lie, or warped picture with a pinch of reality, not necessarily truth, to get it rolling.

The media has moved from bias towards propaganda. 2 cents

Posted by: gracepc at October 06, 2016 02:59 AM (OU4q6)

434 oops. not ont. sorry.

Posted by: gracepc at October 06, 2016 03:00 AM (OU4q6)

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