Obama May Be Reversing Himself -- Or Pretending To -- On His Illegal Bailout Scheme for Obamacare

The insurance companies are getting out of the Obamacare markets because they're racking up big losses. Obamacare is in its death spiral.

Obama had been illegally shunting money to them -- to the tune of $3 billion -- despite the fact the law itself states that the government will not subsidize Obamacare.

Then Obama and the insurance companies seem to have struck upon the same strategy used by the EPA and others to push federal policy to the left -- encourage "stakeholders" to sue the government for the policy changes they wanted. Then the government would deliberately roll over for the suit and "settle" it by doing what the government actually wanted to do from the start, but had no Congressional authorization to do so.

See, the government, allegedly, can't do things Congress hasn't permitted -- unless the government is "sued" into doing so, and reaches a "settlement" which gives them legal cover to do what they wanted to do, but which they were not otherwise allowed to do.

This was going on with the insurance companies -- they were suing for money they claimed they were owed under Obamacare. Even though the law said they were not to be subsidized beyond a certain time-and-amount limited amount in the so-called "risk corridors."

Obama was planning to roll over for this baseless suit, and "settle" it to give them money he was otherwise legally barred from giving them.

However, perhaps he's gotten heat on this issue, as his government is now beginning to contest these easily-defeated lawsuits.

Or maybe this is just a fakeout -- people got wind of the corrupt scheme, so, like the FBI, he's going to pretend to be pursuing the proper legal course of action while deliberately tanking the effort.

PS, sorry for the late start. Insomina on Sunday night has got me all messed up as far as sleeping and waking.

Posted by: Ace at 01:24 PM

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1 What time is it?
What time is it?

Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at October 04, 2016 01:25 PM (QM5S2)

2 Sleepwalking is dangerous.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at October 04, 2016 01:26 PM (zllbf)

3 Insomnia? Doesn't he post here?

Posted by: HH at October 04, 2016 01:26 PM (DrCtv)

4 Mornin' Ace.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2016 01:26 PM (0BkbS)

5 A pen and a phone is all he needs. And no ethics...

Posted by: dfbaskwill at October 04, 2016 01:27 PM (zllbf)

6 He'll have more room to maneuver after the election.

Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 01:27 PM (gmeXX)

7 Don't trust a thing this Guy says or does....

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 04, 2016 01:28 PM (O2RFr)

8 It's too bad there isn't a group of fiscally conservative members of a political group that could oppose this disastrous law using all of the resources of a majority in Congress.

It would have to be massive - something on the order of a grand old party.

Oh well.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 04, 2016 01:28 PM (V3IFq)

9 Call me skeptical.

Have you known Barky to EVER do the right thing?

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at October 04, 2016 01:28 PM (X+nFp)

10 Until they actually do not win, I will assume the insurance companies will be paid.
"See, we tried to fight it, but we lost. We haaaad to pay them the money that was illegal for us to pay them (until we lost a lawsuit)."

Posted by: ajmojo at October 04, 2016 01:28 PM (1H9ox)

11 He'll have no room to maneuver after the nuclear blast.

Posted by: Putin the Magnificent. at October 04, 2016 01:28 PM (zllbf)

12 He is nothing if not The Most Transparent Administrator, Evah!

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2016 01:28 PM (0BkbS)

13 Obama Administration should all be declared to be creepy clowns.
As a hate group, they would be ineligible for government service.

Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at October 04, 2016 01:28 PM (QM5S2)

14 We really are living in a banana republic right now.

Where the President can create spending out of thin air that has not gone through Congress all through a bullshit lawsuit.

The Courts will be what destroys this nation, if it hasn't already.

Posted by: Maritime at October 04, 2016 01:28 PM (hm8zK)

15 but had no Congressional authorization to do so.

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No direct authority. But Congress did give the authority to sue. See Congress is very good at passing accountability to the executive branch, who seems to have figured out how to pass it to private actors.

Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 01:29 PM (gmeXX)

16
Its been gangster govt for some time now.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 04, 2016 01:29 PM (ODxAs)

17 It was time to bolt from the old thread anyway.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 04, 2016 01:29 PM (0mRoj)

18 The Courts will be what destroys this nation, if it hasn't already.
Posted by: Maritime at October 04, 2016 01:28 PM (hm8zK)

I'm afraid you're right...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 04, 2016 01:29 PM (O2RFr)

19 6 He'll have more room to maneuver after the election.
Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 01:27 PM (gmeXX)
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Bingo.
A series of massive payouts to Big Insurance wouldn't look good right now.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 04, 2016 01:29 PM (Nox3c)

20 Time to drop the charade and push for that single payer...

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at October 04, 2016 01:29 PM (0x/TW)

21 Insomina on Sunday night has got me all messed up as far as sleeping and waking.

Insomniac! What did you do to Ace?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2016 01:30 PM (EAA/O)

22 Time to rethink sovereign immunity?

Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 01:30 PM (gmeXX)

23 Waiting for a Republican President to get a citizen's group to sue for a flat tax under equal protection and having the IRS "settle" the suit and usher in a flat tax.

Posted by: Maritime at October 04, 2016 01:30 PM (hm8zK)

24 We are f*ckers! Bump ba dum ba dump a dum.

Posted by: ajmojo at October 04, 2016 01:31 PM (1H9ox)

25 There has to be an angle to this. TFG has demonstrated repeatedly he doesn't give a rat's ass about legality, so something else is going on here.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 04, 2016 01:31 PM (0mRoj)

26 Insomia? Or did Ace stay up late for my Wikitease?

Posted by: Julian Assange at October 04, 2016 01:31 PM (fgOnp)

27 Avoiding a loss by forfeiting.

Posted by: Joe Mama at October 04, 2016 01:31 PM (yPugS)

28 I just want to own one of the "rope" franchises on Constitution Avenue.

A small kiosk will do, backed by a dozen 53' semi-trailers full of spools of 1 in. triple braid manila rope.

With that, I could retire as a very rich man. And enjoy some great entertainment in the process of said attainment.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 04, 2016 01:32 PM (v5iqM)

29 you're the boss ace.
do whatever you want.

Posted by: concrete girl at October 04, 2016 01:32 PM (MlcrI)

30 21 Insomina on Sunday night has got me all messed up as far as sleeping and waking.

Insomniac! What did you do to Ace?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2016 01:30 PM (EAA/O)

I *may* have mixed the flea dip a bit too strong.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 04, 2016 01:32 PM (0mRoj)

31 I have MAYBE 8 hours of sleep over the last two days. Insomnia sucks.
Oh well. I can sleep when I am dead. If Hillary wins that will be sooner than later.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at October 04, 2016 01:32 PM (0x/TW)

32 It's part of the deliberate tanking in order to get single payer. (Yeah, I know, 9-dimensional chess but I don't put a thing past the lefties with respect to nationalized health care.)

PS, sorry for the late start. Insomina on Sunday night has got me all messed up as far as sleeping and waking.

There was a lot of that Sunday night. I'm still getting my sleep patterns back on track.

Posted by: joncelli, Channeling Hamlet at October 04, 2016 01:32 PM (RD7QR)

33 >>Insomina on Sunday night has got me all messed up as far as sleeping and waking.

Full Moon Fever

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2016 01:33 PM (0BkbS)

34 "Or maybe this is just a fakeout -- people got wind of the corrupt scheme, so, like the FBI, he's going to pretend to be pursuing the proper legal course of action while deliberately tanking the effort."

I would bet on that.

The fun part will be what November brings. ObamaCare is Obama's biggest legacy, his poison pill for the American people. Hillary might dig deep and start really twisting it to cause it to fail for revenge and so that she can do what she wants. I would not put it past her.

Trump might have it gutted out, the whole nightmare of the government dictating the content of plans, but leaving in the requirement to have some sort of coverage.

Or nothing could be done and we all get VA care via the IRS - except for our betters.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - M.A.G.A. Lace Helicopter Wigs are at The Outrage Outlet! at October 04, 2016 01:33 PM (hLRSq)

35 Insomina on Sunday night has got me all messed up

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She sounds hot!

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 04, 2016 01:33 PM (zu88C)

Posted by: dfbaskwill at October 04, 2016 01:33 PM (zllbf)

37 And I feel your insomnia pain, obviously. I didn't sleep for shit last night.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 04, 2016 01:33 PM (0mRoj)

38 If President Trump doesn't throw people in prison by the thousands, I will judge his term a failure.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2016 01:33 PM (rwI+c)

39 Who did you have on Monday?

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 04, 2016 01:34 PM (zu88C)

40 Meanwhile Bill Clinton is criticizing ObamaCare. Centrist head fake for Hillary, or subtle set-up for single-payer?

"So you've got this crazy system where all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care and then the people who are out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. It's the craziest thing in the world," Clinton said.

On the other hand, the current system works fine if you're eligible for Medicaid, if you're a lower-income working person; if you're already on Medicare, or if you get enough subsidies on a modest income that you can afford your health care," Clinton said. "But the people that are getting killed in this deal are small business people and individuals who make just a little too much to get any of these subsidies."

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 04, 2016 01:34 PM (r1fLd)

41 It's too bad there isn't a group of fiscally conservative members of a political group that could oppose this disastrous law using all of the resources of a majority in Congress.

It would have to be massive - something on the order of a grand old party.

Oh well.

Posted by: weft cut-loop

I get that, but I still put far more blame on the President and Congress that passed ObamaCare than expecting a new Congress to somehow repeal a law by going around the Executive Branch.

Even if you defunded ObamaCare, it would still be a disastrous law and needs to repealed. Only way to do that is get a President that's willing to sign that.

Posted by: Maritime at October 04, 2016 01:34 PM (hm8zK)

42 Tell her Hey! for me.

Posted by: Just the Punchline at October 04, 2016 01:34 PM (rwI+c)

43 Ummmm, it's a tax??

Posted by: Dread Justice Roberts at October 04, 2016 01:34 PM (TOk1P)

44 27---Avoiding a loss by forfeiting.
Posted by: Joe Mama at October 04, 2016 01:31 PM
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Hey! That's supposed to be a GOP strategy!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 04, 2016 01:35 PM (Nox3c)

45 oh by the way: DId anyone look for the black moon on Friday?

I didn't. I forgot. I went out to dinner and on the way noted "Hey there's a black moon out tonight."

but then I forgot to look for it.

not that I would have seen it. Pretty sure it was completely invisible.

Posted by: ace at October 04, 2016 01:35 PM (dciA+)

46 So ace, were you kept up all night last night as well, waiting for Assange's bombshell?

Posted by: Yuimetal at October 04, 2016 01:35 PM (3hIZX)

47 Just another exploding cigar Democrat program.

Posted by: navybrat at October 04, 2016 01:35 PM (w7KSn)

48 "...encourage "stakeholders" to sue the government for the policy
changes they wanted. Then the government would deliberately roll over
for the suit and "settle" it by doing what the government actually
wanted to do from the start, but had no Congressional authorization to
do so."

This strategy was used by the left on the local level to force integration and huge budget increase on taxpayers for changes they could not win on the ballot. In the end they contributed to white flight and made the city schools even worse. St. Lous in the 80's was a classic example. It is a f**ing horror story of judicial tyranny. It was eventual phased out but only after the school district was destroyed by liberal compassion..

Posted by: Ripley at October 04, 2016 01:35 PM (1BQGO)

49 It's the old Blue Cross Double Cross gambit. Old as the hills.

Posted by: ajmojo at October 04, 2016 01:36 PM (1H9ox)

50 #BlackMoonsMatter

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2016 01:36 PM (0BkbS)

51 And so ends Jonathan Gruber's "too complicated for dumb American voters" concept, which was nothing more than a simpleminded shell game. Huck Finn's fence-painting scam was more sophisticated.

Posted by: General Zod at October 04, 2016 01:36 PM (Bdeb0)

52 It's part of the deliberate tanking in order to get single payer.

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It goes without saying that governmental solutions to government caused problems tend to just make things worse. But so far the country is still not clamoring for a single payer solution. And I have a difficult time seeing the GOP Congress - as feckless as they are - giving in to that sort of solution.

Still I fear what replacement solution we may get even if it isn't single payer.

Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 01:36 PM (gmeXX)

53 Insomina on Sunday night has got me all messed up
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She sounds hot!

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 04, 2016 01:33 PM (zu88C)

She will keep you up, but frankly she's not that great in the sack.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 04, 2016 01:36 PM (TOk1P)

54 Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 01:29 PM (gmeXX)

Same mechanism as EPA, OSHA, etc for creating regulations without benefit of the legislature. It usually works so I'm sure he's shocked to get told "No" now. Then again, just how many court ordersis he currently in contempt of? More than one, I know that much, so if there's no enforcement it won't matter much.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at October 04, 2016 01:36 PM (GDulk)

55 There is a big difference - the EPA was setting regulations and did not need money to do that. It was still illegal but to stop it congress had to shut off their operating budget.

In this case it required cash. Until president asshat can shit gold along with the skittles, the courts can say whatever they want, but it still has to be approved by congress.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at October 04, 2016 01:37 PM (LWu6U)

56 If President Trump doesn't throw people in prison by the thousands, I will judge his term a failure.

Posted by: Grump928(C

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I think about Republican candidates and their lack of "fire in the belly".

Sometimes I wonder if they just walk up to the edge of the abyss, look in , and turn away from their dreams of being elected to "The Job" in sick horror.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 04, 2016 01:37 PM (zu88C)

57 Obama Administration should all be declared to be creepy clowns.
As a hate group, they would be ineligible for government service.

Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at October 04, 2016 01:28 PM (QM5S2)

Amendment XXVIII: All Members of Congress, the President, the Vice President, and Cabinet Secretaries must conduct business dressed as circus clowns. The Supreme Court will wear donkey's ears while the court is in session.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - M.A.G.A. Lace Helicopter Wigs are at The Outrage Outlet! at October 04, 2016 01:37 PM (hLRSq)

58 To bad they had to pass it to find out what was in it.... I don't think anyone knows what's "in" it even now...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 04, 2016 01:38 PM (O2RFr)

59 huh, looking it up, it turns out a black moon wasn't what the first source I read said. (The first source I read said it was a new moon which was darkened even further by falling into the earth's shadow.)

Other people say it's just a second new moon in a month, which is... fucking dumb. Who cares?

Posted by: ace at October 04, 2016 01:38 PM (dciA+)

60 Huck Finn's fence-painting scam was more sophisticated.

Yeah, but Huck Finn was a racist. So, um,...

Just don't bring up Huck Finn again, h8tr.

Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at October 04, 2016 01:38 PM (8ZskC)

61 I don't think qualified immunity covers embezzlement on this scale.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2016 01:38 PM (rwI+c)

62 See, the government, allegedly, can't do things Congress hasn't permitted -- unless
the government is "sued" into doing so, and reaches a "settlement"
which gives them legal cover to do what they wanted to do, but which
they were not otherwise allowed to do.

That tactic is as bogus as Obama's illegal shunting of unauthorized money in clear violation of the law. But like his criminal actions that he gets away with because he has no opposition, these kinds of actions through a court stacked with far left idealogs that Obama appointed with the aid of no opposition party will also be allowed.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2016 01:38 PM (mpXpK)

63 Still I fear what replacement solution we may get even if it isn't single payer.
Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 01:36 PM (gmeXX)

Subsidize this disaster forever. Just watch.

"Until we come up with a better solution we have to keep the system from imploding to protect the American people."

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at October 04, 2016 01:39 PM (X+nFp)

64 60 Huck Finn's fence-painting scam was more sophisticated.

Yeah, but Huck Finn was a racist. So, um,...

Because White wash!

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 04, 2016 01:39 PM (O2RFr)

65 >>>46 So ace, were you kept up all night last night as well, waiting for Assange's bombshell?

no. i tried to go to bed at a better time but laid awake until 3;30.

I forgot Assange was doing his thing at all.

Posted by: ace at October 04, 2016 01:39 PM (dciA+)

66 Other people say it's just a second new moon in a month

That's a Blue Moon, Ace.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2016 01:39 PM (rwI+c)

67 PS, sorry for the late start. Insomina on Sunday night has got me all messed up as far as sleeping and waking.

No prob, boss. But you did miss the debate: Mary Tyler Moore and Suzanne Pleshette - hot or not?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 04, 2016 01:39 PM (X6fMO)

68 Fredocare was designed to fail, but to fail only after Fredo left Office...Much like almost everything else this putz has touched.

BUT it is such a disaster that it seems it will fail while his skinny ass is still in The White House.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 04, 2016 01:39 PM (zp+j1)

69 ... but it still has to be approved by congress.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at October 04, 2016 01:37 PM (LWu6U)

Done!

Posted by: GOP Rubberstamp at October 04, 2016 01:40 PM (i0ykY)

70 >> i tried to go to bed at a better time but laid awake until 3;30.

Aldous Huxley's 'Point Counter Point' is the cure for that.

Been using that one to combat insomnia for years.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2016 01:40 PM (0BkbS)

71 BUT it is such a disaster that it seems it will fail while his skinny ass is still in The White House.

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One can only hope. I don't care about the Obamacare death spiral - I only care about its death. Of course the only way to kill it is to legislate it out of existence. No evidence yet of that happening.

Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 01:40 PM (gmeXX)

72 In this case it required cash. Until president asshat can shit gold along with the skittles, the courts can say whatever they want, but it still has to be approved by congress.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest

Agreed.

The EPA shit is bad, but actually creating spending despite the law forbidding it out of thin air is where it really becomes a Consitutional crisis.

If Trump gets elected, maybe the Executive Branch will finally get reeled in.

Posted by: Maritime at October 04, 2016 01:41 PM (hm8zK)

73 68 Fredocare was designed to fail, but to fail only after Fredo left Office...Much like almost everything else this putz has touched.

BUT it is such a disaster that it seems it will fail while his skinny ass is still in The White House.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 04, 2016 01:39 PM (zp+j1)

Much like homelessness and foreign policy failures, the MSM will only notice if the president is a Republican.

Posted by: joncelli, Channeling Hamlet at October 04, 2016 01:41 PM (RD7QR)

74
> PS, sorry for the late start.

You should move to the west coast. We sleep 3 hours later here!

Posted by: ArthurK at October 04, 2016 01:41 PM (h53OH)

75 That's a Blue Moon, Ace.

Nah, blue moon is full.

Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at October 04, 2016 01:41 PM (QM5S2)

76 Ace: "Or maybe this is just a fakeout -- people got wind of the corrupt scheme, so, like the FBI, he's going to pretend to be pursuing the proper legal course of action while deliberately tanking the effort."
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Not to excuse Weasel Comey in the least, but why are we pinning this all on the FBI?

The DOJ runs the investigation, not the FBI. The FBI assists in evidence-gathering.

Why are we playing along with the notion that the FBI decides whether a "reasonable prosecutor" prosecutes a case? They don't decide that, the DOJ does.

Why are we playing along with the notion that the FBI decides whether to use a grand jury to subpoena evidence or that the FBI decides whether to offer immunity to a witness? They don't have that power, the DOJ does.

Why are we playing along with this? Because the corrupt Uniparty establishment has put forward Comey as the face of this farce, since he has the strongest 'reputation' for integrity.

Who can tell me who the lead attorney at the DOJ running this investigation is? Anyone? Bueller?

Whenever there is a major criminal investigation, there is never any mystery as to which US Attorney is running it. He or she is the one behind the microphone and in front of the cameras.

This investigation was taken away from the US Attorneys and handled in Main Justice early on.

So who is the attorney in charge?

When the FBI summary of the Hillary interview was released, names of attorneys from the DOJ who participated were redacted.

Why is it a national security secret who at DOJ has been making these corrupt decisions in the Hillary Clinton investigation?

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at October 04, 2016 01:41 PM (fgOnp)

77 Other people say it's just a second new moon in a month, which is... fucking dumb. Who cares?

Posted by: ace

You should read your own blog sometimes. About 84 people tried to tell you that.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 04, 2016 01:41 PM (mgbwf)

78 The question is moot.

Posted by: $19,240,226,530,789.00 at October 04, 2016 01:41 PM (zu88C)

79 A blue moon is the second full moon in a month, but the moon is crescent right now, so nowhere near a full moon.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 04, 2016 01:42 PM (7ZVPa)

80 "Huck Finn's fence-painting scam was more sophisticated."

That was Tom Sawyer.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - M.A.G.A. Lace Helicopter Wigs are at The Outrage Outlet! at October 04, 2016 01:42 PM (hLRSq)

81 Much like homelessness and foreign policy failures, the MSM will only notice if the president is a Republican.
Posted by: joncelli, Channeling Hamlet at October 04, 2016 01:41 PM (RD7QR)

Spot on

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 04, 2016 01:42 PM (zp+j1)

82 So who is the attorney in charge?

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Obama and only Obama. No one else.

Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 01:42 PM (gmeXX)

83 It's a Full Moon, somewhere.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2016 01:42 PM (0BkbS)

84 ace, I hope the resetting the body clock works out.

Or maybe this is just a fakeout -- people got wind of the corrupt scheme, so, like the FBI, he's going to pretend to be pursuing the proper legal course of action while deliberately tanking the effort.

Yeah, I don't believe for a moment that this is a legitimate backing down.

What's that line of Insty's, it's now impossible to be a conspiracy theorist because so many of them are true?

That being said, Nessie is totally a plesiosaur.

Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 04, 2016 01:42 PM (mf5HN)

85 I'm not expecting much from Assange. I'm starting to think it's just about him getting eyeballs on him.

And there's very few things that could be "revealed" that would really surpass what we already know about Hillary and make voters look at her in a different light.

Posted by: Maritime at October 04, 2016 01:42 PM (hm8zK)

86 Huck Finn's fence-painting scam was more sophisticated.

Yeah, but Huck Finn was a racist. So, um,...

Aaargh.

Tom Sawyer did the fence paint swindle.

Huck Finn is the most anti-racist character in fiction.

*pulls beard hairs out by the roots*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 04, 2016 01:43 PM (mgbwf)

87 >>>Not to excuse Weasel Comey in the least, but why are we pinning this all on the FBI?

The DOJ runs the investigation, not the FBI. The FBI assists in evidence-gathering.

Why are we playing along with the notion that the FBI decides whether a "reasonable prosecutor" prosecutes a case? They don't decide that, the DOJ does.

...

The FBI was the front-man for the con.

I expect a political hack to be a political hack -- but until this year I thought the FBI was upstanding.

Now I know it's as corrupt as hell.

Posted by: ace at October 04, 2016 01:43 PM (dciA+)

88 Obama had been illegally shunting money to them -- to the tune of $3 billion -- despite the fact the law itself states that the government will not subsidize Obamacare.

The law. pfft. What's the law any law compared to Queen Barry and his court of the sycophantic GOPe

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2016 01:43 PM (OE2ur)

89 I want to snag one of these "roll-over lawyer" positions at the Justice Department. Then I could go home a 4:00 every day.

Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at October 04, 2016 01:43 PM (8ZskC)

90 Still I fear what replacement solution we may get even if it isn't single payer.
Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 01:36 PM (gmeXX)

Subsidize this disaster forever. Just watch.

"Until we come up with a better solution we have to keep the system from imploding to protect the American people."

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at October 04, 2016 01:39 PM (X+nFp)

Insurance companies suing the government starts to look like a "maybe they'll shoot us last" type of move.

Or... what some call "single payer" won't actually have, you know, a single payer, but many several large payers, covering large swaths of the industry.

So for those keeping score, the answer is fascism. Fascism. Those of you who had communism, sorry, you get nothing for coming in second.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 04, 2016 01:44 PM (TOk1P)

91 "{b}Insomina on Sunday night has got me all messed up as far as sleeping and waking."

So that's her name, hunh? Sounds Colombian or something. Caliente!

Posted by: zombie at October 04, 2016 01:44 PM (jBuUi)

92 I expect a political hack to be a political hack -- but until this year I thought the FBI was upstanding.

Now I know it's as corrupt as hell.

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This is progress. Knowing is half the battle.

Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 01:44 PM (gmeXX)

93 The whole govt is a big show. There's the stuff we get to see, and then there's all the shit they're really doing.

Posted by: Rat a tat at at October 04, 2016 01:44 PM (QZOwY)

94 >>>You should read your own blog sometimes. About 84 people tried to tell you that.

well you should try reading the links! The thing I linked claimed it was a new moon also falling into the earth's shadow.

which sounds kinda cool

Posted by: ace at October 04, 2016 01:44 PM (dciA+)

95 You ask for a miracle?

I give you the F.B.I.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton's Electoral Commission at October 04, 2016 01:44 PM (0BkbS)

96 The question is moot.
Posted by: $19,240,226,530,789.00 at October 04, 2016 01:41 PM (zu88C)

Excuse me Mr. Smartypants but we now have the trillion dollar coin eleventy!

What about that huh? 20 of those and then no debt! Duh.

I shouldn't have to think of everything.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at October 04, 2016 01:44 PM (X+nFp)

97 Local radio runs Levin at night.
I usually plug in my earbuds and I'm out within 5 minutes.

Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at October 04, 2016 01:44 PM (QM5S2)

98
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost

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Doubleplusungoodthink!

Posted by: Attorney General Elect James Comey at October 04, 2016 01:45 PM (zu88C)

99 97 Local radio runs Levin at night.
I usually plug in my earbuds and I'm out within 5 minutes.

With His yelling?

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 04, 2016 01:45 PM (O2RFr)

100 >> The thing I linked claimed it was a new moon also falling into the earth's shadow.

Can you fall in space?

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2016 01:45 PM (0BkbS)

101 If President Trump doesn't throw people in prison by the thousands, I will judge his term a failure.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2016 01:33 PM (rwI+c)

You might as well start now. I can absolutely, steel-lock, bet-a-year's-wages that not one single person guilty of any malfeasance connected with this loathsome administration, from state to national level, will ever be prosecuted, let alone jailed.

Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 04, 2016 01:45 PM (X6fMO)

102 >>>encourage "stakeholders" to sue the government for the policy changes they wanted.

That's shockingly dumb, even for them. Why bother even rationalizing with crap like that. Just do what you intend to do.

Posted by: Yuimetal at October 04, 2016 01:45 PM (3hIZX)

103 A new moon on Monday??

https://youtu.be/m3a4OTh2Y8w

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2016 01:46 PM (wYI9F)

104 Huck Finn was smooth enough that his fence-painting scam stayed out of all the books.

Posted by: Michael at October 04, 2016 01:46 PM (KClXw)

105 It's a Full Moon, somewhere.

Over Tulsa, I think.

Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at October 04, 2016 01:46 PM (QM5S2)

106 Can you fall in space?
Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2016 01:45 PM (0BkbS)

Yes, but nobody can hear you scream.

Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at October 04, 2016 01:46 PM (8ZskC)

107 So for those keeping score, the answer is fascism. Fascism. Those of you who had communism, sorry, you get nothing for coming in second.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 04, 2016 01:44 PM (TOk1P)

Well, corporatism, anyway. Insurance companies consolidate madly, we get single payer, the new MegaInsureCo is tapped to administer the new National Health Service, everybody wins except the poor schlubs who have to wait 3 years for cancer treatments.

Posted by: joncelli, Channeling Hamlet at October 04, 2016 01:46 PM (RD7QR)

108 Can you fall in space?

Picture alexthechick as an astronaut.

*ducks*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 04, 2016 01:46 PM (mgbwf)

109
I'm not expecting much from Assange. I'm starting to think it's just about him getting eyeballs on him.

How does he monetize it?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 04, 2016 01:46 PM (IqV8l)

110 Only way to do that is get a President that's willing to sign that.

Posted by: Maritime

That's a convenient excuse for the GOP that ask for our votes every 2 years.

If the situation were reversed, say a mandatory gun training law, the Democrats would have turned WashDC into a fucking warzone to overturn it.

If the GOP were employees in your business, would you accept the excuses they hork up?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 04, 2016 01:47 PM (V3IFq)

111 Sometimes I don't know if it's 3 dimensional chess or just the usual government response to f-ups - they institute a program, it doesn't do what they think it's going to do and so they keep trying to "fix" it and it keeps getting worse.

What really annoys me is that Obamacare is still incredibly unpopular - and yet millions of Americans who claim to hate it will still vote for the party who foisted this crap on us.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 04, 2016 01:47 PM (u0lmX)

112 I've got the flu but I managed to get here on time.

Your pay is docked and letter is going in your permanent file.

Posted by: jwest at October 04, 2016 01:47 PM (Zs4uk)

113 The government engaging in collusive lawsuits with an "adversary" is in and of itself unconstitutional -- article III courts have standing requirements that force the litigants to be true adversaries.

But go ahead and try to prove that (assuming that another party could have standing to intervene).

Posted by: Revenant at October 04, 2016 01:47 PM (3DSAh)

114 What really annoys me is that Obamacare is still incredibly unpopular - and yet millions of Americans who claim to hate it will still vote for the party who foisted this crap on us.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 04, 2016 01:47 PM (u0lmX)

Ya can't account for taste or stupid

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 04, 2016 01:47 PM (zp+j1)

115 "{b}Insomina on Sunday night has got me all messed up as far as sleeping and waking."

So that's her name, hunh? Sounds Colombian or something. Caliente!

Posted by: zombie at October 04, 2016 01:44 PM (jBuUi)

AND DON'T CALL ME MEEES PEEEEEEGY!!

Posted by: Venezuelan Murderess Beauty Contestant at October 04, 2016 01:47 PM (TOk1P)

116 Picture alexthechick as an astronaut.

In fairness, the capsule could be smaller.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2016 01:47 PM (rwI+c)

117 Son of a whore.

Posted by: Rodrigo Duterte at October 04, 2016 01:47 PM (HgMAr)

118 That being said, Nessie is totally a plesiosaur.

Posted by: alexthechick
****

And she wants her tree fiddy.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at October 04, 2016 01:48 PM (0x/TW)

119 but then I forgot to look for it.

#blackmoonsmatter

Posted by: Al Leppo at October 04, 2016 01:48 PM (8mYHH)

120 Well, corporatism, anyway. Insurance companies consolidate madly, we get single payer, the new MegaInsureCo is tapped to administer the new National Health Service, everybody wins except the poor schlubs who have to wait 3 years for cancer treatments.

Posted by: joncelli, Channeling Hamlet at October 04, 2016 01:46 PM (RD7QR)

NHS: Are you complaining about the wait, comrade? Complainers go to the back of the line but first meet our friend Mr. IRS

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2016 01:48 PM (OE2ur)

121 How does he monetize it?
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Probably a book

Posted by: Rat a tat at at October 04, 2016 01:48 PM (QZOwY)

122 Still don't get why Trump isn't hitting the ACA hard. Maybe it doesn't help him with some targets he has? Youth (under 26 still on parents plan) and minority vote (overall lower income level thereby disproportionately receiving subsidized care...I'm guessing since HHS refuses to track any meaningful demographics on the exchanges) seeing some form of benefit from the law.

Or maybe he views talking health care as a straight up loser in a general? Like talking about cutting Soc Sec or some other third rail. I dunno.

But, to my mind, this should still be a front and center subject. It is always a top voter concern, and more importantly I believe it is one of the biggest factors in destroying our economy, and by extension, country.

17/23 coops collapsed, carriers filing for huge increases in state after state, all kinds of lies perpetrated to sell it, Hillary telling us all she thinks it great but there just isn't enough of it...the left should be receiving a gutting over this crap.

And don't give me "the media won't let him". Puppy piss and bull crap...he has proven can burn through the haze of the media filter on things that he wants to.

Posted by: ajmojo at October 04, 2016 01:48 PM (1H9ox)

123 How does he monetize it?

I think He asked for donations?
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Posted by: deplorable donna at October 04, 2016 01:48 PM (O2RFr)

124 What really annoys me is that Obamacare is still incredibly unpopular - and yet millions of Americans who claim to hate it will still vote for the party who foisted this crap on us.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 04, 2016 01:47 PM (u0lmX)

Ya can't account for taste or stupid
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 04, 2016 01:47 PM (zp+j1)

Sign on my office door-

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at October 04, 2016 01:49 PM (X+nFp)

125 What really annoys me is that Obamacare is still incredibly unpopular - and yet millions of Americans who claim to hate it will still vote for the party who foisted this crap on us.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 04, 2016 01:47 PM (u0lmX)

You can't fix stupid and unfortunately far too many people are unfixable.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2016 01:49 PM (OE2ur)

126 So for those keeping score, the answer is fascism. Fascism. Those of you who had communism, sorry, you get nothing for coming in second.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 04, 2016 01:44 PM (TOk1P)

Well, corporatism, anyway. Insurance companies consolidate madly, we get single payer, the new MegaInsureCo is tapped to administer the new National Health Service, everybody wins except the poor schlubs who have to wait 3 years for cancer treatments.

Posted by: joncelli, Channeling Hamlet at October 04, 2016 01:46 PM (RD7QR)

Fascism by any other name, still smells of incinerated bodies.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 04, 2016 01:50 PM (TOk1P)

127 Everything we here, the few the proud, said about Fredocare 7 years ago was spot on 100% correct.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 04, 2016 01:50 PM (zp+j1)

128 You can't fix stupid and unfortunately far too many people are unfixable.

You might say deplorably irredeemable...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 04, 2016 01:50 PM (O2RFr)

129 Ace, this underhanded scam that you outline (the Fed encouraging and facilitating lawsuits against them) was most infamously utilized in the "Pigford" case, where the government itself basically ushered a completely baseless lawsuit against itself through the courts and then immediately and joyously caved at the first opportunity, and then transformed a single meritless civil discrimination sit worth a couple thousand dollars into an incredibly massive class-action suit worth tens of billions, which they happily paid out to every "black farmer" in America -- 90% of which had never even been near a farm. Obama minions went around encouraging every black person in the nation to falsely claim that they considered farming once, but were scared of by racism. ---> Big payout. And in interviews they bragged that this was really just "reparations" through the back door.

It is the standard Obama scheme for everything.

Posted by: zombie at October 04, 2016 01:50 PM (jBuUi)

130 If I self-identify as a dog can I go to a veterinarian instead?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 04, 2016 01:50 PM (IqV8l)

131 116 Picture alexthechick as an astronaut.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2016 01:47 PM (rwI+c)

You wouldn't need a rocket launcher or anything like that to send her into orbit. I'm thinking a good sized trebuchet would do the trick.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 04, 2016 01:50 PM (u0lmX)

132 Can you fall in space?
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Yep. You can really bust your asteroid.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 04, 2016 01:51 PM (zu88C)

133
Maybe they need to roll out more Pajama Boy ads. That ought to fix things.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2016 01:51 PM (OE2ur)

134 I'm sure the Ecuadorean government is reviewing the benefits from their agreements with America to decide if that sanctuary is going to last for Assange.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 04, 2016 01:51 PM (7ZVPa)

135 Last I looked three big Health Insurer mergers -- which will drastically consolidate the industry -- were being held up by the Government on antitrust grounds, with the companies countering by threatening to drop out of ObamaCare.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 04, 2016 01:51 PM (r1fLd)

136 The Courts will be what destroys this nation, if it hasn't already.
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They bear a huge amount of the blame. From Supreme Court cases like Wickard v. Filburn, which distorted the Commerce Clause beyond all reason and greatly expanded the regulatory power of the federal government, to Roe v. Wade, which discovered hidden "emanations" and "penumbras" concealing a "constitutional right" to abortion, to the contemptible "it's a tax" rationalizations of John Roberts in NFIB v. Sebilius, the courts have much to answer for.

But the states are also to blame. They sat by mutely while the federal cancer metastasized.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 04, 2016 01:51 PM (4rh2D)

137 AlextheChick, you want the precise answer on falling from space?

If your object's velocity falls below what is required to maintain orbit, then yes it will stop falling and missing the planet to instead fall and hit the planet even as its terminal velocity increases until it is ashes in the upper atmosphere.

As for our Lunar satellite, it is very slowly escaping the pull of Earth's gravity.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2016 01:51 PM (wYI9F)

138 Extortion, gun running, money laundering, bribery, loan sharking, drug dealing and tax evasion used to be rackets involving the Cosa Nostra. Times have changed and so did their name to the U.S. Government.

Posted by: dartist at October 04, 2016 01:51 PM (ce4zT)

139 >>It's a Full Moon, somewhere.

On Endor. Like in Braveheart, Ewoks use a full moon to show disrespect to their enemies.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at October 04, 2016 01:52 PM (fgOnp)

140 Speaking of the EPA. Deepwater Horizon is now in theaters. At the time of the spill, I did a rough calculation: if you turned the new Yankee Stadium into a big pool, that's what 210 million gallons would fill. Now it's a lot, but only a small fraction of the spill made it to shore, and the Gulf of Mexico averages a mile deep.

I posit that the EPA's own spill of heavy metals on that river in Colorado will have longer, more severe adverse ecological effects but there won't a Mark Wahlberg movie.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 04, 2016 01:53 PM (r1fLd)

141 well you should try reading the links! The thing I linked claimed it was a new moon also falling into the earth's shadow.

which sounds kinda cool
Posted by: ace

That Telegraph article about the "Black Moon" just made me weep uncontrollably. The stupidity of the article, the utter fact-free-ness, and the gullibility of the general public -- I was left speechless. Millions of people around the country went out on that night to look for the "Black Moon" -- there's just nothing left o say.

Posted by: zombie at October 04, 2016 01:53 PM (jBuUi)

142 As for our Lunar satellite, it is very slowly escaping the pull of Earth's gravity.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2016 01:51 PM (wYI9F)

Alert Martin Landau and Barbara Bain

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2016 01:53 PM (OE2ur)

143 Retcon Thor or Loki?

Thor: http://www.e2046.com/p/Thor/25718/

Or

Loki: http://www.e2046.com/p/Loki/25834/

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2016 01:53 PM (wYI9F)

144 Hey Drudge is still running Billy Jeffs love child story... I wonder if there is anything there?

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 04, 2016 01:54 PM (O2RFr)

145 Americans might be able to bring a refugee to the U.S. on their own dime if talks between the Obama administration and the nations leading refugee advocacy group come to fruition.

The State Department is considering a pilot program that would let citizens sponsor a refugee from their country of choice by paying for airfare, housing, clothing, food and other resettlement costs. Conversations began in July and are expected to continue in the coming year, said Naomi Steinberg, director of the Refugee Council USA.

The program, modeled after a similar one in Canada, is designed to crack open new sources of funding as growing anti-refugee sentiment in Congress threatens to cut resettlement programs.

THIS is how you spell Lunacy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 04, 2016 01:54 PM (zp+j1)

146 What really annoys me is that Obamacare is still incredibly unpopular - and yet millions of Americans who claim to hate it will still vote for the party who foisted this crap on us.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 04, 2016 01:47 PM (u0lmX)

This explains a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOruQmB1Kbw

Posted by: spypeach le deplorable at October 04, 2016 01:54 PM (nyYhO)

147 This is what really pissed me off early in the primaries. All were asked about Obamacare and what they would do. I don't remember all the answers, but I specifically remember Carly and Huckabee saying that ,of course we have to protect the 6 million newly insured. That's the conservative answer? What about the millions who lost coverage and the millions more who saw their premiums skyrocket? What about deductibles so high that you are effectively not insured? Rage inducing.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 04, 2016 01:55 PM (kTF2Z)

148 Hey Drudge is still running Billy Jeffs love child story... I wonder if there is anything there?
Posted by: deplorable donna at October 04, 2016 01:54 PM (O2RFr)

Does it matter? We all know billy bob has stuck his peter into anything that moved

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 04, 2016 01:55 PM (zp+j1)

149
As a fellow insomniac I can sympathize. Unfortunately, one of my daughters has inherited that symptom also.

The other is like my wife who can fall asleep at lights out. We have sleep envy.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 04, 2016 01:55 PM (ODxAs)

150
I think He asked for donations? ---------
Posted by: deplorable donna at October 04, 2016 01:48 PM (O2RFr)

If he folds on leaking Clinton e-mails, and it appears as if hes made some kind of deal doesn't that destroy wikileaks credibility?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 04, 2016 01:55 PM (lKyWE)

151 As for our Lunar satellite, it is very slowly escaping the pull of Earth's gravity.

Alert Martin Landau and Barbara Bain

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Eagles !

Why the hell has Space:1999 not been rebooted?

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 04, 2016 01:55 PM (zu88C)

152 Fredocare is popular with rich white left wingers who have private insurance...NOT with anyone unfortunate to actually have it!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 04, 2016 01:56 PM (zp+j1)

153 Laws? Laws? We don't need no steenkin' laws! We do what we want!!

Posted by: Barack "el Bandito" Obama at October 04, 2016 01:56 PM (so+oy)

154 Ugh.. Insomnia. I keep waiting to "grow out of it". I'm 62 and still waiting!

Posted by: deplorablejewells45 at October 04, 2016 01:56 PM (zRZaJ)

155 Black Francis Matters.

Posted by: General Zod at October 04, 2016 01:57 PM (Bdeb0)

156 The FBI was the front-man for the con.

I expect a political hack to be a political hack -- but until this year I thought the FBI was upstanding.

Now I know it's as corrupt as hell.

Posted by: ace at October 04, 2016 01:43 PM (dciA+)

You know what has upset me the most of all the wonderful loveliness of the past 8 years? Discovering that the Secret Service was full of incompetent lackwits.

Never ever ever ever did I think the Secret Service, at least in the protective detail part of it, would be just another group of hacks.

Right up there with it is all the stuff that's been coming out about how full of wrongness and corruption is the FBI crime lab. They were the platinum standard. Now? Now if you tell me well the FBI crime lab found I will assume it's not true.

Take for instance that bite mark analysis is now considered to be unreliable: http://wapo.st/2dcaJTm

And then there's the problems with hair analysis:

http://wapo.st/1JegjMl

This isn't a matter of oops some people slipped up, this is systemic corruption.

And I don't think it can be fixed. Too many people on too many sides of these issues have too many fixed interests for that to happen.

I despair, I despair.

Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 04, 2016 01:57 PM (mf5HN)

157 Why the hell has Space:1999 not been rebooted?

Posted by: Mortimer,

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What title would you use? Like so much of science fiction, reality has ruined it. We went to the moon almost 50 years ago, and since then? Nothing.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 04, 2016 01:57 PM (7ZVPa)

158 >>I'm not expecting much from Assange.

I'm guessing he cut a deal, and we'll never see whatever the evidence is that supposedly would result in a Hillary indictment.

I think Assange is getting cabin fever at the Ecuadoran Embassy and doesn't want to suddenly die the moment he steps out the front door.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at October 04, 2016 01:57 PM (fgOnp)

159 "...Carly and Huckabee saying that ,of course we have to protect the 6 million newly insured."

Ponzi scheme must be preserved.

Huckabee is a liberal jerkwad, I wish he would go away.
Carly would have been a decent candidate but she bends leftward when she needs to.

Posted by: navybrat at October 04, 2016 01:57 PM (w7KSn)

160 I did not know the moon was slipping away.

Is there anything we can do? Flowers, chocolate, foot rubs?

Was it something we said?

"Waxing gibbous" is a scientific term, Luna, we were not saying your ass is getting fat.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 04, 2016 01:58 PM (mgbwf)

161 The FBI has been coasting for years on good PR. Not on facts.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2016 01:59 PM (wYI9F)

162 Speaking of loser assholes...

Wall Street Journal: Climate Skeptics Should Back a Carbon Tax, Just in Case

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 04, 2016 01:59 PM (V3IFq)

163 Why the hell has Space:1999 not been rebooted?

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable

It had a terrible premise? They went to the trouble of boosting nuclear waste up to the moon, and it somehow blowed up real good.

Then again, when has a terrible premise ever stopped most of TV?

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 04, 2016 01:59 PM (326rv)

164 I've been thinking for a few years now that Marbury vs. Madison was the beginning of the end of the Republic.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 04, 2016 01:59 PM (wtvvX)

165 I bet the Ecuadorean ambassador is tired of getting threatening phone calls from the Clinton campaign.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 04, 2016 02:00 PM (7ZVPa)

166 >>>Huck Finn is the most anti-racist character in fiction.

It's impossible for minorities to be racist, so it's impossible for whites not to be racist, even fictional ones.

Posted by: Yuimetal at October 04, 2016 02:00 PM (3hIZX)

167 The program, modeled after a similar one in Canada, is designed to crack open new sources of funding as growing anti-refugee sentiment in Congress threatens to cut resettlement programs.

THIS is how you spell Lunacy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 04, 2016 01:54 PM (zp+j1)

It's national suicide. Plan and simple. The left is hellbent on achieving it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2016 02:00 PM (OE2ur)

168 The State Department is considering a pilot program that would let citizens sponsor a refugee from their country of choice by paying for airfare, housing, clothing, food and other resettlement costs. Conversations began in July and are expected to continue in the coming year, said Naomi Steinberg, director of the Refugee Council USA.
_____________________

They should also include a requirement that if the "refugee" ends up costing taxpayers any money over his/her lifetime -- for medical care, welfare, criminal prosecution, incarceration, etc., then the sponsor and/or his/her heirs is strictly liable to the taxpayers for those amounts, and such debts may never be discharged in bankruptcy.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 04, 2016 02:00 PM (4rh2D)

169 What title would you use? Like so much of science fiction, reality
has ruined it. We went to the moon almost 50 years ago, and since
then? Nothing.
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Space : 2099

Let's do this!

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 04, 2016 02:01 PM (zu88C)

170 What title would you use? Like so much of science fiction, reality has ruined it. We went to the moon almost 50 years ago, and since then? Nothing.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 04, 2016 01:57 PM (7ZVPa)

Well we're expending a lot of resources on Muslim outreach so space exploration will have to wait

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2016 02:02 PM (OE2ur)

171 As for our Lunar satellite, it is very slowly escaping the pull of Earth's gravity.

I thought that due to tidal forces, the moon was actually losing the battle.
If it reaches the La Grange limit, it will break up into chunks and turn into rings.

ZZ Top notwithstanding.

Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at October 04, 2016 02:02 PM (QM5S2)

172 Well we're expending a lot of resources on Muslim outreach so space exploration will have to wait.
...
We could send them to space...

Posted by: ajmojo at October 04, 2016 02:03 PM (1H9ox)

173 Wall Street Journal: Climate Skeptics Should Back a Carbon Tax, Just in Case

In case of what? We needed a slush fund?

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 04, 2016 02:03 PM (326rv)

174 By 2032 in the BGC universe we have the Generos space station full of F and G type Boomers supporting a Moon base.

But also in 2032 they still had gas powered cars and Alpine radios.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2016 02:04 PM (wYI9F)

175 The FBI has been coasting for years on good PR. Not on facts.

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There really is no reason to assume that the FBI or SS would be any different from the EPA, DOE, DOA or any other government bureaucracy in terms of competency.

Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 02:04 PM (gmeXX)

176 Wall Street Journal:

The Wall Street Journal has gone to hell...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 04, 2016 02:04 PM (O2RFr)

177 "You know what has upset me the most of all the wonderful loveliness of the past 8 years? Discovering that the Secret Service was full of incompetent lackwits. "

I'm most upset about the FBI, DOJ and IRS being corrupted, but that's not what I want to bring up in this context...

When the ebola thing hit, someone in Texas living in an apartment building was exposed. That person was around there for a week before anything was done.

Everyone was pointing at everyone else as to what to do.

I was under the impression, by logic and decades of movies and television shows that the Center for Disease Control was primarily there just for something like this. I always thought there were people, equipment, space suits, portable operating rooms, everything sitting on a runway somewhere just waiting for an epidemic.

Now, we come to find out that the most we can expect out that billion dollar a year agency is a pamphlet and maybe a phone call suggesting what a locality might do with a civilization-ending disease.

Fuck.

Posted by: jwest at October 04, 2016 02:04 PM (Zs4uk)

178 About time Congress got some courage and passed a law that there shall be no administrative subpoenas, no administrative criminal penalties and only such civil penalties as created by Congress, that there shall be no attorney fees awarded beyond a cap by Congress in a civil suit and that the losing party shall likewise be held responsible, and that no law, rule, regulation, or expense can be awarded without Congressional approval. (laws could still be voided).
This is exactly how almost all red States operate and also how many blue States as well.
And all communications before during and after the law suit shall be made public after the final appeal period has been passed.

Posted by: pat at October 04, 2016 02:04 PM (4MSOz)

179 The year, 2016. From out of space, comes a runaway planet, hurtling between the Earth and the moon, unleashing cosmic destruction.
Man's civilization is cast in ruin.
Two thousand years later, Earth is reborn. A strange new world rises from the old. A world of savagery, super-science, and sorcery.
But one man bursts his bonds to fight for justice. With his companions, Ookla the Mok and Princess Ariel, he pits his strength, his courage, and his fabulous Sunsword, against the forces of evil.
He is Thundarr, the Barbarian!!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 04, 2016 02:04 PM (tIjgN)

180 Always preferred Sheik ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4yZ5IjXB24)

to La Grange.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2016 02:04 PM (0BkbS)

181 The State Department is considering a pilot program that would let citizens sponsor a refugee from their country of choice by paying for airfare, housing, clothing, food and other resettlement costs. Conversations began in July and are expected to continue in the coming year, said Naomi Steinberg, director of the Refugee Council USA.

and this is different from all those foreign women dating sites how ?

Posted by: Al Leppo at October 04, 2016 02:05 PM (8mYHH)

182 There really is no reason to assume that the FBI or SS would be any different from the EPA, DOE, DOA or any other government bureaucracy in terms of competency.
Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 02:04 PM (gmeXX)

It's almost like, get this, the various agencies are made up of flawed humans who are full of flaws. Because they are human.

Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 04, 2016 02:05 PM (mf5HN)

183 Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 04, 2016 01:57 PM (mf5HN)

Yes, finding out that the CDC had become a place to stash people who'd helped the campaign (because there's no chance we might need competent epidemiologists while bringing in unmonitered people from around the world), and the Secret Service was now corrupt as well, left me with only the FBI as even potentially competent and honest. Now that's gone too.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at October 04, 2016 02:05 PM (GDulk)

184 Wow. I'm most surprised that the Potomac two step is a... surprise.

Oh well

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 04, 2016 02:05 PM (OVJcF)

185 >>You know what has upset me the most of all the wonderful loveliness of the past 8 years? Discovering that the Secret Service was full of incompetent lackwits.

It's the Government.

They're ALL incompetent lackwits.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2016 02:05 PM (0BkbS)

186 Oh speaking of space, isn't today the anniversary of Sputnik?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2016 02:06 PM (wYI9F)

187 One lawyer, one vote.

Posted by: Axeman at October 04, 2016 02:06 PM (2mC6G)

188 You know what has upset me the most of all the wonderful loveliness of the past 8 years? Discovering that the Secret Service was full of incompetent lackwits.

Never ever ever ever did I think the Secret Service, at least in the protective detail part of it, would be just another group of hacks.

Right up there with it is all the stuff that's been coming out about how full of wrongness and corruption is the FBI crime lab. They were the platinum standard. Now? Now if you tell me well the FBI crime lab found I will assume it's not true.

FBI crime lab is the most disappointing.
The most disappointing.
Yeah, the SS has to be correct and on point 100% of the time. But it's immediate. Mistakes will be made when you have to be 100% every second.

But the FBI crime lab?
They have WEEKS to make sure their shit is correct.

THAT is inexcusable.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2016 02:06 PM (ep1HV)

189

Despicable.

Depolorable, even.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2016 02:06 PM (qCMvj)

190 Julien Assange has revised his claims shortly after Hillary Clinton "joked" about having him murdered with a drone.

The payoff for him is not monetizing but breathing.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at October 04, 2016 02:06 PM (qMmd1)

191 I was under the impression, by logic and decades of movies and television shows that the Center for Disease Control was primarily there just for something like this. I always thought there were people, equipment, space suits, portable operating rooms, everything sitting on a runway somewhere just waiting for an epidemic.

Now, we come to find out that the most we can expect out that billion dollar a year agency is a pamphlet and maybe a phone call suggesting what a locality might do with a civilization-ending disease.

Fuck.

Posted by: jwest

When people noticed that the TSA was molesting people while wearing gloves, they asked about health risks, especially since the gloves were not being changed between molestations.

The CDC punted. They refused to make a ruling.

The gloves are there for the TSA agents, not the peasants.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 04, 2016 02:07 PM (326rv)

192 You know what has upset me the most of all the wonderful loveliness of the past 8 years? Discovering that the Secret Service was full of incompetent lackwits.
,,,,
For me it was that my hair has gone salt and pepper and I should probably wear glasses when driving at night.

Posted by: ajmojo at October 04, 2016 02:07 PM (1H9ox)

193 It's almost like, get this, the various agencies are made up of flawed humans who are full of flaws. Because they are human.

-------------

That and the corruption and the government just go hand and hand. I don't know if the government corrupts people or if corrupt people find the government an easy avenue - probably a lot of both.

Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 02:07 PM (gmeXX)

194
Despicable.

Depolorable, even.

Irredeemable...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 04, 2016 02:07 PM (O2RFr)

195 About the Center for Disease Control. Here's my favorite story about our great and wonderful federal government under Obama:

You'll recall that during the Ebola scare, Obama appointed a DC lawyer to be his Ebola Czar. But he already had a Pandemic Czar at CDC, Doctor Nicole Lurie who was responsible for co-ordinating our national response to any and all pandemics. He needed the DC lawyer to divert attention from Lurie because she had become Radioactive for pushing through a $500 million no-bid CDC contract for the development of a small pox vaccine that wasn't needed. The major stockholder of the company that got this contract was Ron Perelman, a billionaire takeover artist and big Obama bundler. No vaccine was ever produced. Andy Stern -- head of the progressive union SEIU -- was on the board and given stock. Literally no "private" individual has visited Obama in the White House more than Andy Stern.

What made Lurie radioactive during the Ebola crisis was that another company had unsuccessfully protested the no-bid contract saying that it could produce a vaccine that was not only good for small pox but other diseases as well -- including Ebola! This company actually created the product, but its supply was in short supply during the crisis. Couldn't let that come to light.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 04, 2016 02:07 PM (r1fLd)

196 181 The State Department is considering a pilot program that would let citizens sponsor a refugee from their country of choice by paying for airfare, housing, clothing, food and other resettlement costs. Conversations began in July and are expected to continue in the coming year, said Naomi Steinberg, director of the Refugee Council USA.

and this is different from all those foreign women dating sites how ?
Posted by: Al Leppo at October 04, 2016 02:05 PM (8mYHH)

Now you can date foreign men!

Posted by: joncelli, Channeling Hamlet at October 04, 2016 02:07 PM (RD7QR)

197
This was a scam beginning to end. Have a terrible health care law that allowed insurance companies to profit exorbitantly from customers required by law to but their product until such time as it fails, then get a big govt payoff, then have it go away leaving a market with little competition.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 04, 2016 02:07 PM (ODxAs)

198 It's your drinking. And all the stupid football. And your boorish friends.

You used to treat me like a goddess.

I'm drifting away. I haven't found a new planet yet, but you're going to have to change your ways to keep me.

Posted by: Luna at October 04, 2016 02:08 PM (mgbwf)

199 The Wall Street Journal, prescribing the lube for Republican voters since 1889.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 04, 2016 02:08 PM (fVY6E)

200 He is Thundarr, the Barbarian!!!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 04, 2016 02:04 PM (tIjgN)

Holy crap! That's THIS year???
Well, forget about voting...

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at October 04, 2016 02:08 PM (rJUlF)

201 Did anyone else's grandma make homemade donut holes called sputniks?

Posted by: ajmojo at October 04, 2016 02:08 PM (1H9ox)

202 A New Moon cannot, by defibition, fall into the Earth's shadow, because it is, by definition, BETWEEN the Earth and the Sun.

If the moon falls into the Earth's shadow, that is a LUNAR ECLIPSE, which can only happen during a Full Moon.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 04, 2016 02:08 PM (wtvvX)

203 Generally speaking, government employees sue their employer at orders of magnitude greater than private sector employees for the same corrupt reason.

Posted by: Lord Sir x at October 04, 2016 02:08 PM (nFwvY)

204 I was under the impression, by logic and decades of movies and television shows that the Center for Disease Control was primarily there just for something like this. I always thought there were people, equipment, space suits, portable operating rooms, everything sitting on a runway somewhere just waiting for an epidemic.

Posted by: jwest

--

One thing my parents told me a long time ago is to never trust a government expert. I apply that rule to most experts I deal with now. I pay them to tell me what the problem is, and I decide what to do about it.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 04, 2016 02:09 PM (7ZVPa)

205 It's Baron Munchausen's fault!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 04, 2016 02:09 PM (tIjgN)

206 176
Awesome. But the year was 1994. SMOD has been letting us down since the Clinton administration.

Posted by: josephistan at October 04, 2016 02:09 PM (7HtZB)

207 Wall Street Journal: Climate Skeptics Should Back a Carbon Tax, Just in Case>>>

Mom and Pop shops should pay protection, Just in case.

It would be a shame if something bad were to happen, you know like a fire.

Posted by: Mob insurance salesman Vito at October 04, 2016 02:09 PM (tf9Ne)

208 The year, 2016. From out of space, comes a runaway planet, hurtling between the Earth and the moon, unleashing cosmic destruction.
Man's civilization is cast in ruin.
Two thousand years later, Earth is reborn. A strange new world rises from the old. A world of savagery, super-science, and sorcery.
But one man bursts his bonds to fight for justice. With his companions, Ookla the Mok and Princess Ariel, he pits his strength, his courage, and his fabulous Sunsword, against the forces of evil.
He is Thundarr, the Barbarian!!!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 04, 2016 02:04 PM (tIjgN)

Go on . . . .

Princess Ariel is wearing a fur bikini right?

*scurries off for popcorn*

Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 04, 2016 02:09 PM (mf5HN)

209 197
This was a scam beginning to end. Have a terrible health care law that allowed insurance companies to profit exorbitantly from customers required by law to but their product until such time as it fails, then get a big govt payoff, then have it go away leaving a market with little competition.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 04, 2016 02:07 PM (ODxAs)

It was a classic Cloward-Piven move, as was recognized by the Horde from the jump.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 04, 2016 02:09 PM (1SMSr)

210 Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 04, 2016 02:04 PM (tIjgN)

I thought you hit the wall the other day when you knew the words to that Cher song. Wow. Thundar no less.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at October 04, 2016 02:10 PM (X+nFp)

211 116 Picture alexthechick as an astronaut.

In fairness, the capsule could be smaller.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2016 01:47 PM (rwI+c)

Ever notice how much the Apollo Lunar Module resembles a face eating spider?

...and you want to put AtC inside that?

I'm not sure orbital escape velocity will be enough to outrun her pet Ravage.

*shudder*

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 04, 2016 02:10 PM (v5iqM)

212 195,
Unpossible, as The One's administration is one hundred percent scandal free.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 04, 2016 02:10 PM (OVJcF)

213
The State Department is considering a pilot program that would let citizens sponsor a refugee from their country of choice

What if the State Department doesn't like my country of choice?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 04, 2016 02:10 PM (IqV8l)

214 186 Oh speaking of space, isn't today the anniversary of Sputnik?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2016 02:06 PM (wYI9F)

It is. It's also the anniversary of Wikileaks and 3 plane crashes (Eastern 375, El Al 1862, Siberia 1812).

Posted by: Gran of the Deplorables at October 04, 2016 02:10 PM (XIXhw)

215 >>181
The State Department is considering a pilot program that would let
citizens sponsor a refugee from their country of choice by paying for
airfare, housing, clothing, food and other resettlement costs.
Conversations began in July and are expected to continue in the coming
year, said Naomi Steinberg, director of the Refugee Council USA. Posted by: Al Leppo at October 04, 2016 02:05 PM (8mYHH)

Basta! Indentured servitude adds thousands to Zod's production line, and not a moment too soon! Foggy Bottom, we acknowledge your farsightedness!

Posted by: General Zod at October 04, 2016 02:10 PM (Bdeb0)

216 Go on . . . .

Princess Ariel is wearing a fur bikini right?

*scurries off for popcorn*
Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 04, 2016 02:09 PM (mf5HN)

She had a MTM-level pooper.

Posted by: josephistan at October 04, 2016 02:11 PM (7HtZB)

217 Did anyone else's grandma make homemade donut holes called sputniks?
Posted by: ajmojo at October 04, 2016 02:08 PM (1H9ox)

No. Just yours.

Comrade.

Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at October 04, 2016 02:11 PM (8ZskC)

218 and this is different from all those foreign women dating sites how ?

Posted by: Al Leppo

--

The foreign women sites only stock 'brides' over the age of 18

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 04, 2016 02:11 PM (7ZVPa)

219 Late to the party, but my theory:

The administration has been trying to work with the insurers, helping them wherever they could, but the insurers pulling out of the markets has been straining the administration's goodwill towards the insurers.

Having this news come out might have functioned like a last straw where the administration just began to consider the whole affair not worth their time and effort. Maybe a "screw you" to the insurers who aren't taking sufficient loses for the "common good".

"Yeah, we were going to illegally fund you, but now that you're dropping out of markets and people actually know about this, never mind."

I mean, it's pretty gangster government, is it not?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 04, 2016 02:11 PM (jqr9Z)

220 Hillary's first State of the Union screech will be all about the revival of Hillarycare from the 90s.

All by design when 0care first came out.

Posted by: Doc at October 04, 2016 02:11 PM (Vgl4t)

221

Just woke up good. So, Wikileaks big news was a bust?

Or did Hillary buy him out with a fat check from CGI?

Posted by: Sphynx at October 04, 2016 02:11 PM (OZmbA)

222 Hey State Department, can I sponsor someone from Japan?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2016 02:11 PM (wYI9F)

223 Thundarr the Barbarian? Boy, that brings back memories.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 04, 2016 02:11 PM (1SMSr)

224 "The State Department is considering a pilot program that would let citizens sponsor a refugee from their country of choice by paying for airfare, housing, clothing, food and other resettlement costs."

And once they sent for their buddies we found all of the safe houses and sleeper-cells.

(I wish.)

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - M.A.G.A. Lace Helicopter Wigs are at The Outrage Outlet! at October 04, 2016 02:11 PM (hLRSq)

225 Naomi Steinberg must really like those Sunni Muslims. Let's drop her into al Raqqa.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 04, 2016 02:12 PM (fVY6E)

226 204,
Next you'll be telling us to get multiple opinions on medical issues...

Or something.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 04, 2016 02:12 PM (OVJcF)

227 Or without the bikini Empress?

http://www.e2046.com/p/Mammon+Black+Bikini+Version+%28PVC%29/25859/

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2016 02:12 PM (wYI9F)

228 Sputnik means "travelling companion". I had a friend with a dog named Sputnik.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 04, 2016 02:13 PM (mgbwf)

229 145---The program, modeled after a similar one in Canada, is designed to crack open new sources of funding as growing anti-refugee sentiment in Congress threatens to cut resettlement programs.

THIS is how you spell Lunacy
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 04, 2016 01:54 PM
--------------------------------
Actually, NGU, I would be okay with this (temporarily at least) if and ONLY if it replaced government-funded "refugee" resettlement.

Make the holier-than-thou, "compassionate" people who want to help these poor dears pay out of their OWN pocket. Make the churches that import Somalis, etc., pay out of their OWN collection plates, rather than taking fat government subsidies to do it.
You'd see their warm hearts grow cold PDQ.

But of course, when such a policy is added ON to government subsidy, it is indeed....lunacy.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 04, 2016 02:13 PM (Nox3c)

230 >>215
>>181
The State Department is considering a pilot program that would let

citizens sponsor a refugee from their country of choice...

We would prefer that they be from a nation so impoverished, so utterly bereft, that even grinding servitude and a subsistence diet would seem like milk and honey. An army of illiterate, sullen, weak helots to do my bidding.

Is there a bulk discount for purchas...err, sponsoring by the gross?

Posted by: General Zod at October 04, 2016 02:13 PM (Bdeb0)

231 I've been thinking for a few years now that Marbury vs. Madison was the beginning of the end of the Republic.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 04, 2016 01:59 PM (wtvvX)

I'd argue that the crushing of the Whiskey Rebellion was the beginning of the end. Universal suffrage was the final nail in the coffin.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 04, 2016 02:14 PM (X6fMO)

232 Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2016 02:04 PM (0BkbS)

But do they put carrots in their chili?

By the way, if what you accuse Cochran of is true, he needs to be ostracized.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 04, 2016 02:14 PM (Zu3d9)

233 Had a boring meeting out of town. Co worker says this restaurant is great. Of course it's crap.

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at October 04, 2016 02:14 PM (xD7fV)

234 "Ariel is wearing a fur bikini right?"

Actually no. Let's just say it's hard to get a woman friendly razor after the fall of civilisation ...

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 04, 2016 02:14 PM (fVY6E)

235 First of all, Jim is the only one of you who is getting a warning before I start flamethrowing.

That's the warning.

*flamethrows*

II.

FBI crime lab is the most disappointing.
The most disappointing.
Yeah, the SS has to be correct and on point 100% of the time. But it's immediate. Mistakes will be made when you have to be 100% every second.

But the FBI crime lab?
They have WEEKS to make sure their shit is correct.

THAT is inexcusable.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2016 02:06 PM (ep1HV)

Yup. There is no excuse for it. None at all. If you haven't read the hair analysis article, go do so and read just the first paragraph. You know, the one that says that basically every bit of testimony given for about 20 years was false. Because, hey, if someone got arrested he's a bad guy and doesn't deserve impartial treatment amirite?

C.

I could totally find a way to fall in space.

Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 04, 2016 02:14 PM (mf5HN)

236 How about a pilot program to sponsor them in THEIR OWN FREAKING COUNTRY!

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at October 04, 2016 02:14 PM (X+nFp)

237 With that ebola thing at the Texas apartment complex...

Just to restore confidence in the government, the proper response should have been to surround the complex, have people in space suits collecting air samples, show smart-looking technicians going in and out of mobile command centers, then have the Air Force incinerate the entire complex along with all the residents with smart bombs.

Sure, a lot of people would have died needlessly, but we would all know that we're ready to handle a deadly disease.

Posted by: jwest at October 04, 2016 02:14 PM (Zs4uk)

238 This man has a first-rate temperament.

Posted by: David Brooks at October 04, 2016 02:15 PM (DrC22)

239 Mary's Piercing, have you been reading L Neil Smith?

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 04, 2016 02:15 PM (fVY6E)

240 @154 etc., Insomnia topic: has melatonin been discussed here? I found it life-changing. 10mg Sunday night, 5mg Mon-Thu.

Posted by: Unsure if deplorable at October 04, 2016 02:15 PM (9MlEz)

241 If I were Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House and most likely to keep that job through the next Congress, I'd bring the insurers to my office and say, "We can do this easy or hard."

"The easy way: You help us get a clean repeal of the ACA and push for market based reforms."

"The hard way: We drag out any efforts of any reform and paint you as the guys who got us into this mess while making sure that the system that you helped design soaks you for as much as humanly possible."

Think they'd begin to get on board?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 04, 2016 02:15 PM (jqr9Z)

242 >>>Princess Ariel is wearing a fur bikini right?

Princess Ariel was in a Lycra one-piece, Ookla was dressed like Andre the Giant's wrestling outfit, and Thundarr had some kind of fur vest singlet. Two thousand years were not advances in fashion.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 04, 2016 02:15 PM (tIjgN)

243 I've been thinking for a few years now that Marbury vs. Madison was the beginning of the end of the Republic.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 04, 2016 01:59 PM (wtvvX)

-----------

As a defender of M v. M, I have to disagree.

Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 02:15 PM (gmeXX)

244 She had a MTM-level pooper.

Posted by: josephistan at October 04, 2016 02:11 PM (7HtZB)

Mary Tyler Moore?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2016 02:16 PM (493sH)

245 220 Hillary's first ~~State of~~ Screech at the Union screech will be all about the revival of Hillarycare from the 90s.

All by design when 0care first came out.

Posted by: Doc at October 04, 2016 02:11 PM (Vgl4t)

FIFY

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 04, 2016 02:16 PM (v5iqM)

246 I could totally find a way to fall in space.

In space no one can hear you faw down go boom.

Posted by: eleven at October 04, 2016 02:17 PM (fYChk)

247 If they bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun.

Posted by: Barack Obama, Nobel Laureate at October 04, 2016 02:17 PM (DrC22)

248 *borrows the syringe*

Think I found a figure kit of Lena Dunham's fursona... *twitch*

http://www.e2046.com/p/Katoreya/25157/

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2016 02:17 PM (wYI9F)

249 Princess Ariel was in a Lycra one-piece, Ookla was dressed like Andre the Giant's wrestling outfit, and Thundarr had some kind of fur vest singlet. Two thousand years were not advances in fashion.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 04, 2016 02:15 PM (tIjgN)

Mmmmm Lycra.

Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 04, 2016 02:17 PM (mf5HN)

250 I'm just sick of bad news.
I just want it to be Nov 9 already.

Posted by: votermom the deplorable @vm at October 04, 2016 02:17 PM (Om16U)

251 Whenever an emergency happens, federal authorities are the last people I would trust to have any answers.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 04, 2016 02:18 PM (7ZVPa)

252 244 She had a MTM-level pooper.

Posted by: josephistan at October 04, 2016 02:11 PM (7HtZB)

Mary Tyler Moore?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2016 02:16 PM (493sH)

Yep. Just trying to tie all the threads together.

Posted by: josephistan at October 04, 2016 02:18 PM (7HtZB)

253
But do they put carrots in their chili?

By the way, if what you accuse Cochran of is true, he needs to be ostracized.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 04, 2016 02:14 PM (Zu3d9)

Bear in mind, Cochran is:

1. a ginger
2. a left-handed pitcher

Gotta cut him some slack.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 04, 2016 02:18 PM (u0lmX)

254 Well they knew this from the start. They are experts at playing the system.

Posted by: freaked at October 04, 2016 02:18 PM (KvWlw)

255 Despicable.

Depolorable, even.

Irredeemable...

Unforgettable, that's what you are,

Posted by: dartist at October 04, 2016 02:19 PM (ce4zT)

256
Is there a bulk discount for purchas...err, sponsoring by the gross?

Posted by: General Zod at October 04, 2016 02:13 PM (Bdeb0)

With the bankruptcy of Hanjin Shipping Co. you can get used container ships pretty cheap; just keep your floating sweatshops and the hellhole company towns you run outside of territorial waters and you won't go wrong.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - M.A.G.A. Lace Helicopter Wigs are at The Outrage Outlet! at October 04, 2016 02:19 PM (hLRSq)

257 But do they put carrots in their chili?

By the way, if what you accuse Cochran of is true, he needs to be ostracized.

--

Don't be hasty, my dear boy. I think a simple lustration will suffice.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 04, 2016 02:19 PM (7ZVPa)

258 >>>Can you fall in space?
Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2016 01:45 PM (0BkbS)

No, but you can step in time!

Posted by: Bert at October 04, 2016 02:20 PM (DrC22)

259 I've been thinking for a few years now that Marbury vs. Madison was the beginning of the end of the Republic.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 04, 2016 01:59 PM (wtvvX)

-----------

M v. M gets a bad rap. Poorly taught in the history books, probably on purpose, to argue that judicial supremacy has been with us since the beginning. That is not what M v. M says. Judicial review is a proper function of the Court, and its biggest mistake of the past 5 years is that it didn't exercise its role of judicial review in the first Obamacare case.

Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 02:20 PM (gmeXX)

260 Only had 2.5 hours of sleep from Sun. insomnia, then fell asleep last night before midnight only to be woken by a late night text, just as I was sinking into a deep sleep. Kept me up for almost another hour from sheer annoyance.

Posted by: venus velvet at October 04, 2016 02:20 PM (ZRVhT)

261 Don't be hasty, my dear boy. I think a simple lustration will suffice.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 04, 2016 02:19 PM (7ZVPa)

I don't think you should be doing anything with his lust. Mrs. Cochran would object.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 04, 2016 02:21 PM (u0lmX)

262 >>Bear in mind, Cochran is:

1. a ginger
2. a left-handed pitcher

He always struck me as more of a catcher.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2016 02:21 PM (0BkbS)

263 "How about a pilot program to sponsor them in THEIR OWN FREAKING COUNTRY!

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher"

And just how would that help Democrats" That's not who we are.

Posted by: Ripley at October 04, 2016 02:21 PM (1BQGO)

264 Mary's Piercing, have you been reading L Neil Smith?

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 04, 2016 02:15 PM (fVY6E)

No, never heard of him. Why?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 04, 2016 02:22 PM (X6fMO)

265 *peeks*

YOU. MOTHERFUCKERS.

I DO NOT PUT MOTHER FUCKING GOAT FELCHING NFL WATCHING CARROTS IN MY DAMN CHILI.

Assholes.

*rage flounces like he saw on Twitter*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 04, 2016 02:22 PM (gW5Vg)

266 Al Pacino was great in Insomnia.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 04, 2016 02:23 PM (VdICR)

267 How about a pilot program to sponsor them in THEIR OWN FREAKING COUNTRY!

--

I'm pretty sure Sally Struthers already does that. Or eats the children, I can't recall exactly due to South Park reruns.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 04, 2016 02:23 PM (7ZVPa)

268 213
The State Department is considering a pilot program that would let citizens sponsor a refugee from their country of choice

What if the State Department doesn't like my country of choice?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 04, 2016 02:10 PM (IqV8l)
---------------------------------
Heh.
Well of course they mean your choice out of a limited menu they present to you.
Thus, if Achmed wants to import his terrorist cousins from Libya, it will be okay.
A home-schooling family from Germany? I think not.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 04, 2016 02:23 PM (Nox3c)

269 I want to adopt a 18 year old swedish nanny

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 04, 2016 02:24 PM (zp+j1)

270 Al Pacino was great in Insomnia.

What has two thumbs and likes blowjobs?

Posted by: eleven at October 04, 2016 02:24 PM (fYChk)

271 I'd argue that the crushing of the Whiskey Rebellion was the beginning of the end.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 04, 2016 02:14 PM (X6fMO)

So we had a good run of what, 6 years, before it all starting going to hell?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 04, 2016 02:24 PM (u0lmX)

272 And thus spake the Horde's favourite Floridian....

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2016 02:24 PM (wYI9F)

273 >>I want to adopt a 18 year old swedish nanny

I miss the aupairs of my Westchester youth.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2016 02:24 PM (0BkbS)

274 o/t:

is this where i register complaints?

there were no cat or dog videos in the ont last night.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 04, 2016 02:24 PM (WTSFk)

275 I've been thinking for a few years now that Marbury vs. Madison was the beginning of the end of the Republic.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 04, 2016 01:59 PM (wtvvX)
--
Marbury v. Madison makes sense in that, in order to have a valid Article III supreme court as an actual branch of government, it needs to be able to resolve cases and controversies placed in front of it.

The end of the republic began when government began to slip the procedural bounds placed upon it by the constitution.

Amending
the constitution was difficult. But, over time the constitution was
amended de facto, by reinterpreting the definition of interstate
commerce regulation, by broadening the scope of the meaning of the 14th
amendment, by enabling the rise of the administrative state. By using
good intentions to override procedural safeguards.

Society
changed and through these methods the government changed, even though
the founding charter would not have allowed such change. Most people didn't bat an eye when the changes happened.

And -- most people do not want to live a free and individualistic life. Most people do not really want small government, and are not willing to accept the consequences for being governed that way. Most people choose butter over guns, security over freedom.

Our politicians reflect who we are as a people.

Posted by: Revenant at October 04, 2016 02:25 PM (3DSAh)

276 The catalog of failed agencies of the federal government points out once more that almost all of the stuff that the federal government does should be contracted out the way that weapons systems are contracted out to private companies.

Companies can compete for the contracts not only with bribes and lobbyists but also by locating jobs in the districts of key legislators. One consequence of this would be to make Virginia a red state again as the jobs once done by government workers are distributed more evenly around the country.

There is plenty of opportunity for graft for politicians of both parties so my only question is why this is not being done already.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at October 04, 2016 02:25 PM (qMmd1)

277 ... just trying to help...

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 04, 2016 02:25 PM (WTSFk)

278 I DO NOT PUT MOTHER FUCKING GOAT FELCHING NFL WATCHING CARROTS IN MY DAMN CHILI.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 04, 2016 02:22 PM (gW5Vg)

My carrots don't watch the NFL either.

But I do prop them up on the sofa so they can catch the World Series and the Stanley Cup finals.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 04, 2016 02:26 PM (u0lmX)

279 L Neil Smith is a SF author whose work takes place in a libertarian utopia, which started from an America where the Whiskey Rebels won. Iirc

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 04, 2016 02:26 PM (fVY6E)

280 >>is this where i register complaints?

>there were no cat or dog videos in the ont last night.

Send an email to WeirdDave and he'll GIF you a refund.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2016 02:26 PM (0BkbS)

281
This is actually the perfect post for rapey Tuesday.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 04, 2016 02:26 PM (ODxAs)

282 271 I'd argue that the crushing of the Whiskey Rebellion was the beginning of the end.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 04, 2016 02:14 PM (X6fMO)

So we had a good run of what, 6 years, before it all starting going to hell?
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 04, 2016 02:24 PM (u0lmX)

===================

I blame the fact that the 14th amendment went beyond slavery. Just say, "Slavery is not allowed in these United States" and leave it at that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 04, 2016 02:26 PM (jqr9Z)

283 Hmmmm.....
:::ponders:::
:::fur singlet:::
:::"fabulous" Sunsword:::
:::fur boots:::
:::never sends Ookla off for some private time with Ariel:::
:::reflects on the Rob Halford realization:::

.....SHIIIIITTTT!!!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 04, 2016 02:26 PM (tIjgN)

284 I DO NOT PUT MOTHER FUCKING GOAT FELCHING NFL WATCHING CARROTS IN MY DAMN CHILI.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 04, 2016 02:22 PM (gW5Vg)

I'm sorry, but the sample we sent to the FBI Crime Lab (at AtC's insistence) came back positive for carrots.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 04, 2016 02:26 PM (Zu3d9)

285 Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 04, 2016 02:24 PM (WTSFk)

It wasn't Furday or Caturday, so it was only natural that there be no dog or cat photos.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at October 04, 2016 02:27 PM (GDulk)

286 Dear Obama,

I would like to sponsor a Christian from Iran.

Sincerely,
Deporable IrishEi

Posted by: Deplorable IrishEi at October 04, 2016 02:27 PM (eM2Uz)

287 But I do prop them up on the sofa so they can catch the World Series and the Stanley Cup finals.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 04, 2016 02:26 PM (u0lmX)

Do they stalk you too?

Posted by: Gran of the Deplorables at October 04, 2016 02:27 PM (XIXhw)

288 *rage flounces like he saw on Twitter*
Posted by: BCochran1981

Add in a sashay, snap, snap & twist.
All the cool kids are doing it.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2016 02:27 PM (ep1HV)

289 The end of the republic began when government began to slip the procedural bounds placed upon it by the constitution.

------------

I'm not sure there was a definite beginning, but this has definitely been a problem.

Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 02:27 PM (gmeXX)

290 Do they stalk you too?

The celery does that...

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2016 02:27 PM (wYI9F)

291 283 Hmmmm.....
:::ponders:::
:::fur singlet:::
:::"fabulous" Sunsword:::
:::fur boots:::
:::never sends Ookla off for some private time with Ariel:::
:::reflects on the Rob Halford realization:::

.....SHIIIIITTTT!!!!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 04, 2016 02:26 PM (tIjgN)

Lords of light!

Posted by: josephistan at October 04, 2016 02:28 PM (7HtZB)

292 But I do prop them up on the sofa so they can catch the World Series and the Stanley Cup finals.

Posted by: Donna and V.

---

I hope they don't pea on the sofa

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 04, 2016 02:28 PM (7ZVPa)

293 I DO NOT PUT MOTHER FUCKING GOAT FELCHING NFL WATCHING CARROTS IN MY DAMN CHILI.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 04, 2016 02:22 PM (gW5Vg)

I'm sorry, but the sample we sent to the FBI Crime Lab (at AtC's insistence) came back positive for carrots.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Sorry. But since we know the crime lab has been bullshitting us for decades, it's probably bok choy, not carrots.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2016 02:29 PM (ep1HV)

294 The end of the republic began when government began to slip the procedural bounds placed upon it by the constitution.

------------

I'm not sure there was a definite beginning, but this has definitely been a problem.

Whisky Rebellion.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2016 02:29 PM (ep1HV)

295 Thundar was a douche.

Bigfoot and Wildboy!

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at October 04, 2016 02:29 PM (X+nFp)

296 290 Do they stalk you too?

The celery does that...
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2016

So we're going to vegetable puns.... lettuce not mince words...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 04, 2016 02:30 PM (O2RFr)

297 I miss the aupairs of my Westchester youth.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2016 02:24 PM (0BkbS)

One of the few joys of having brats: hiring au-pairs.

We had three....each was smoking hot.

Pure coincidence.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 04, 2016 02:30 PM (Zu3d9)

298 I could totally find a way to fall in space.

Everything in space is falling, that's what an orbit is, falling and missing the ground.

Posted by: DaveA at October 04, 2016 02:30 PM (8J/Te)

299 "I've been thinking for a few years now that Marbury vs. Madison was the beginning of the end of the Republic."
--------------------------
I think it was that incident in the Garden of Eden.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 04, 2016 02:30 PM (Nox3c)

300 Whisky Rebellion.

------------

My regard for GW is too high to pin any blame for the fall of the republic on his shoulders.

Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 02:30 PM (gmeXX)

301
The State Department is considering a pilot program that would let citizens sponsor a refugee from their country of choice.

Greetings, citizen!

Please choose your refugee from our wide selection of countries --

[ ] ~~ISIS~~ (printer error - sorry!)
[ ] Syria
[ ] Not Not Syria

Thank you for your ~~subsidy grab~~ compassion!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at October 04, 2016 02:30 PM (BK3ZS)

302 I'm sorry, but the sample we sent to the FBI Crime Lab (at AtC's insistence) came back positive for carrots.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 04, 2016 02:26 PM (Zu3d9)

Sniffle.

I should have known.

Sniffle.

First it was the Mountain Dew and MD 20/20.

Then it was the Taco Bell with crushed up Oreos on top.

Sniffle.

The signs were there but I, I, I ignored them out of a sense of pity and friendship.

IT WAS LIES, ALL LIES!

*runs off sobbing*

Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 04, 2016 02:32 PM (mf5HN)

303 I'm pretty sure this thread has reached peak silly. On the other hand, you've got to admire Donna's vegetable handling.

Posted by: joncelli, Channeling Hamlet at October 04, 2016 02:32 PM (RD7QR)

304 >>One of the few joys of having brats: hiring au-pairs.

>We had three....each was smoking hot.

I had a boss who went through a few of them, he and his wife always used to make me take them out on dates.

Never understood people who didn't like their bosses.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2016 02:32 PM (0BkbS)

305 300 My regard for GW is too high to pin any blame for the fall of the republic on his shoulders.
Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 02:30 PM (gmeXX)

==================

I think he allowed Alexander Hamilton too much influence on his overall policy while effectively shutting out people like Jefferson.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 04, 2016 02:32 PM (jqr9Z)

306 A few questions for the State Department regarding their "Prole Sponsor Program:"

How are the units insured during shipping? Am I liable for loss or theft in transit? Will I be able to screen out the "clean and articulate" units prior to ordering?

Posted by: General Zod at October 04, 2016 02:32 PM (Bdeb0)

307 The State Department is considering a pilot program that would let citizens sponsor a refugee from their country of choice.

So is this like those adopt an orphan for 20 cents a day ads you see on TV?

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 04, 2016 02:32 PM (O2RFr)

308 I hope they don't pea on the sofa

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 04, 2016 02:28 PM (7ZVPa)

If my carrots ever do that, I'll beet them.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 04, 2016 02:32 PM (u0lmX)

309 Screw the Back to the Future shoes! Why is it 2016 and we don't have BIONIC BIGFOOT?!?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 04, 2016 02:33 PM (tIjgN)

310 *throatpunches AtC purely on principle and without reading*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 04, 2016 02:33 PM (gW5Vg)

311 Speaking of medical care insanity, a FB acquaintance that is normally pretty liberal posted a link to the following very grim assessment of emergency rooms by a doctor that works in one. Worth a read:

http://tinyurl.com/jve9945

Posted by: Ripley at October 04, 2016 02:33 PM (1BQGO)

312
I hope they don't pea on the sofa

If my carrots ever do that, I'll beet them
=====

Open and shut case of Vegabuse. You won't have a legume to stand on.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 04, 2016 02:33 PM (zu88C)

313 I want to adopt a 18 year old swedish nanny

If we're putting in orders, I'll take a 25-year old English governess, please.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 04, 2016 02:33 PM (X6fMO)

314 So we're going to vegetable puns.... lettuce not mince words...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 04, 2016 02:30 PM

Beets electrical puns.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 04, 2016 02:34 PM (bzd8I)

315 The new post is just like an old post.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - M.A.G.A. Lace Helicopter Wigs are at The Outrage Outlet! at October 04, 2016 02:34 PM (hLRSq)

316 *throatpunches AtC purely on principle and without reading*
Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 04, 2016 02:33 PM (gW5Vg)

WHAT!

I MAY HAVE SAID KIND AND GENEROUS AND COMPLIMENTARY THINGS ABOUT YOU!

I mean, I didn't, but I might have!

Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 04, 2016 02:34 PM (mf5HN)

317 I had a boss who went through a few of them, he and his wife always used to make me take them out on dates.

Never understood people who didn't like their bosses.

And if the au pairs had been guys?
Now you know.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2016 02:34 PM (ep1HV)

318 Call any vegetable and the chances are good that that vegetable will respond to you.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 04, 2016 02:34 PM (IqV8l)

319
Screw the Back to the Future shoes! Why is it 2016 and we don't have BIONIC BIGFOOT?!?
----

Moon

Base

ALPHA

dammit!

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 04, 2016 02:34 PM (zu88C)

320
306 A few questions for the State Department regarding their "Prole Sponsor Program:"

How are the units insured during shipping? Am I liable for loss or theft in transit? Will I be able to screen out the "clean and articulate" units prior to ordering?
Posted by: General Zod at October 04, 2016 02:32 PM (Bdeb0)

To whom would I send the packing peanuts? I get to bust up the crate for firewood, right?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at October 04, 2016 02:34 PM (BK3ZS)

321 307 The State Department is considering a pilot program that would let citizens sponsor a refugee from their country of choice.

So is this like those adopt an orphan for 20 cents a day ads you see on TV?

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 04, 2016 02:32 PM (O2RFr)

Yeah. Here's your pet refugee from Syria, Mohammad.

A woman in Germany who played "adopt a refugee" took one into her house - and he raped her 14 year old daughter.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 04, 2016 02:35 PM (u0lmX)

322 Everything in space is falling, that's what an orbit is, falling and missing the ground.

Posted by: DaveA at October 04, 2016 02:30 PM
~~~

Oh now I get it. There is no gravity; the earth sucks.

Posted by: Deplorable IrishEi at October 04, 2016 02:35 PM (eM2Uz)

323 I think he allowed Alexander Hamilton too much influence on his overall policy while effectively shutting out people like Jefferson.

----------

I don't know the Jefferson of that time period may have needed to be shut out in favor of Hamilton's genius. Jefferson subsequently wised up a bit.

Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 02:36 PM (gmeXX)

324 *throatpunches AtC purely on principle and without reading*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 04, 2016 02:33 PM (gW5Vg)

A low blow if there ever was one.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - M.A.G.A. Lace Helicopter Wigs are at The Outrage Outlet! at October 04, 2016 02:36 PM (hLRSq)

325 I "sponsored" an alien from the State Department. Let me tell you, what a headache! I was at the docks to take delivery, and Logistics told my prole had been mixed in with a batch of Chinese tennis shoes and dehydrated ginger root. Have you ever tried to isolate a sullen, emaciated prole from a CONEX of Chinese footwear and produce? The prole wasn't wrapped correctly, and was cracked by the time he got here, and when I tried to return him, the guy at Logistics just shrugged. Hourly labor.

I don't usually trust the Yelp reviews, but in this case I should have....

Posted by: General Zod at October 04, 2016 02:37 PM (Bdeb0)

326
Beets electrical puns.

Ohm be the judge of that. You're bean difficult.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at October 04, 2016 02:37 PM (BK3ZS)

327 Of course, I come back after a month to one of the few non-naggy threads that actually has sci-fi and kooky pop-culture refs and libertarian literature... and I get here as the thread dies.

2016 sucks.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 04, 2016 02:37 PM (wB8Tg)

328 *withholds Lysine from all food shipments to AtC*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 04, 2016 02:38 PM (gW5Vg)

329 Ohm be the judge of that. You're bean difficult.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at October 04, 2016 02:37 PM

I yam not!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 04, 2016 02:38 PM (bzd8I)

330 323 I don't know the Jefferson of that time period may have needed to be shut out in favor of Hamilton's genius. Jefferson subsequently wised up a bit.

Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 02:36 PM (gmeXX)

===================

I always get hung up on the assumption of state debts. It's a policy that I understand from a "we need to build credit as a nation" point of view, but still find incredibly unfair.

Those states that had tried hard to get ahead were shafted while those states that were lax in those efforts got a leg up by the act.

I just feel that there was another way to get American credit started than helping New York avoid paying as much for its debt that it had fallen behind on.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 04, 2016 02:39 PM (jqr9Z)

331 (The first source I read said it was a new moon which was darkened even further by falling into the earth's shadow.)

...orbital mechanics, how do they work...?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at October 04, 2016 02:39 PM (9krrF)

332 Call any vegetable and the chances are good that that vegetable will respond to you.

"When you stare too long into the abyss, the abyss shows you Cochran's carrot chili."

-- Nietsche's Vegetable Book

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 04, 2016 02:40 PM (mgbwf)

333 321
A woman in Germany who played "adopt a refugee" took one into her house - and he raped her 14 year old daughter.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 04, 2016 02:35 PM (u0lmX)
-------------------------------------
I am terribly sorry for her daughter.

If I were Empress of the World, I would .....well, I'd better not say what I would do to her mother.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 04, 2016 02:40 PM (Nox3c)

334 I want to sponsor an alien.

http://slate.me/2dQ02XM

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 04, 2016 02:40 PM (wB8Tg)

335 *withholds Lysine from all food shipments to AtC*
Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 04, 2016 02:38 PM (gW5Vg)

I will set you ablaze.

Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 04, 2016 02:40 PM (mf5HN)

336 nood Ace isn't reading his own blog again post

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at October 04, 2016 02:41 PM (X+nFp)

337
"When you stare too long into the abyss, the abyss shows you Cochran's carrot chili."

Carrot chili?

That's a bannin'!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at October 04, 2016 02:42 PM (BK3ZS)

338 I want to sponsor an alien.

http://slate.me/2dQ02XM

Posted by: Merovign
****

Predator or face hugger?

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at October 04, 2016 02:42 PM (uhftQ)

339 I just feel that there was another way to get American credit started than helping New York avoid paying as much for its debt that it had fallen behind on.

----------

I don't know. Of course, I really don't like the idea of supporting one founder over another. They all served their great purpose.

Jefferson wrote the greatest document ever written. Then Madison fashioned the greatest Constitution. Washington made sure it would work (and won a war). Hamilton set the framework for a wealthy nation.

The fall of the Republic just has to begin after them.

Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 02:43 PM (gmeXX)

340 Predator or face hugger?

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at October 04, 2016 02:42 PM (uhftQ) fnord (uhftQ)

This is the *other* kind of face hugger.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 04, 2016 02:45 PM (wB8Tg)

341 339 The fall of the Republic just has to begin after them.
Posted by: SH at October 04, 2016 02:43 PM (gmeXX)

===============

I don't blame Hamilton for our nation's decline. I feel that the seeds of it were planted with the 14th amendment and its sloppy language.

I just have problems with Hamilton and wish Washington hadn't relied so much on him.

And I have no problem pitting one Founder against another. Charles Pinckney was a little bitch who tried to steal credit from James Madison for the writing of the Constitution. His house may be a couple miles from mine, but that dude can eat a dick.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 04, 2016 02:46 PM (jqr9Z)

342 if you want your country back and restrict government surpassing bounds placed by the constitution, repeal the commerce clause, the governments foot in the door causing all sorts of meddling and fussiness.

won't happen, but it's a thought.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 04, 2016 02:47 PM (WTSFk)

343 ... without the distortion of the commerce clause over the last century in particular, the aca could not even be conjectured.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 04, 2016 02:49 PM (WTSFk)

344 342 if you want your country back and restrict government surpassing bounds placed by the constitution, repeal the commerce clause, the governments foot in the door causing all sorts of meddling and fussiness.

won't happen, but it's a thought.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 04, 2016 02:47 PM (WTSFk)

================

The commerce clause, as it was intended, forms a very important negative power over the states that we would require for our nation of sovereign states to function as one. Otherwise, California could charge import fees on goods from Texas, or Rhode Island could set up border checks and not allow people from Massachusetts in.

A rewrite of the commerce clause, to make it more precise, could do it, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 04, 2016 02:50 PM (jqr9Z)

345 The commerce clause, as it was intended, forms a very important negative power over the states that we would require for our nation of sovereign states to function as one. Otherwise, California could charge import fees on goods from Texas, or Rhode Island could set up border checks and not allow people from Massachusetts in.

A rewrite of the commerce clause, to make it more precise, could do it, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 04, 2016 02:50 PM (jqr9Z)

I don't know, anymore I think letting states restrict interstate travel may be a good thing. Colorado might still be red...

Posted by: Alex #11 at October 04, 2016 02:57 PM (EUMt/)

346 the commerce clause also allows the federal govt to regulate trade with other countries. but the way it's been expansively interpreted by the supreme court, any product or service now invites federal control.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 04, 2016 02:58 PM (WTSFk)

347 ... almost any activity can now be regulated or banned by the feds based on the commerce clause.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 04, 2016 03:01 PM (WTSFk)

348 Mary Tyler Moore?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2016 02:16 PM (493sH)

Yep. Just trying to tie all the threads together.

For those who don't understand the reference to Mary Tyler Moore's tush go back and watch episodes of the Dick Van Dyke show. MTM had a bootie which would not look out of place on a modern Brazilian Beach in a string Bikini. Dancers, which she was, tend to have great legs and glutes.

Posted by: An Observation at October 04, 2016 03:02 PM (MimoF)

349 Well...

WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!!!!

Posted by: Hysterical Media/Medical/Establishment Complex at October 04, 2016 03:09 PM (SeD0w)

350 349 Well...

WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!!!!
Posted by: Hysterical Media/Medical/Establishment Complex at October 04, 2016 03:09 PM (SeD0w)

================

Reforms towards market based solutions?

Can we try that?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 04, 2016 03:21 PM (jqr9Z)

351 It looks like the Country was in a crash pattern after Marbury v. Madison.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at October 04, 2016 04:37 PM (hKi6n)

352 113 The government engaging in collusive lawsuits with an "adversary" is in and of itself unconstitutional -- article III courts have standing requirements that force the litigants to be true adversaries.

But go ahead and try to prove that (assuming that another party could have standing to intervene).
Posted by: Revenant at October 04, 2016 01:47 PM (3DSAh)

When the litigants arrive at the courthouse in the same limo, and file the settlement before the clerk has time to time stamp the suit, no one has time to respond.

Posted by: Fox2! at October 04, 2016 07:43 PM (GLgXc)

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