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And Yet The Jews Continue To Vote Democrat! [CBD]

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. But Obama's handlers and the Arabists in the State Department are offended by the idea that those pesky Jews have fought off the Arab world and against all odds created a vibrant, wealthy, pluralist, and democratic stronghold in the heart of the nastiest neighborhood in the world. White House crosses out 'Israel' on its press release following the Peres funeral doesn't surprise me because of its sentiment, but the brazenness is a little disconcerting.

One day Obama will read the Old Testament and discover to his horror that Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel for a very, very long time.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 10:59 AM




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1 Nothing surprises me about this WH.

Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2016 11:00 AM (xpSCc)

2 May this Presidint be forgotten by history and all his works erased.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2016 11:01 AM (Pvrwb)

3 Many a book trys to explain that

Posted by: Skip at October 01, 2016 11:01 AM (ofpt4)

4 And they say Jews are wicked smart.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2016 11:02 AM (vV/gB)

5 Actually, Anna, I want him remembered so we never get the likes of him again.

And yes, I would like his works erased.

Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2016 11:02 AM (xpSCc)

6 Antisemitism is a leftist trait

Posted by: Skip at October 01, 2016 11:03 AM (ofpt4)

7 Sorry Anna he will be rembered as the First African American President. And it will be because of him that it will be a generation before the second one is elected.

Posted by: Picric at October 01, 2016 11:03 AM (s0VSd)

8 bluebell, maybe we should borrow an idea from the ancient Egyptians.

Start selling sandals with Gaylord's face on the sole. So we are always trampling him.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2016 11:04 AM (Pvrwb)

9 As far as what Anna wrote a artical at the Federalistblog from a Chinese woman on how former atrocities by the Chinese Goverment are flushed away.

Posted by: Skip at October 01, 2016 11:05 AM (ofpt4)

10 Me likey, Anna.

Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2016 11:05 AM (xpSCc)

11 Not disagreeing with Anna, I hope everyday history will not be kind to Barak.

Posted by: Skip at October 01, 2016 11:06 AM (ofpt4)

12 I'll bet TFG knows more about the "holy koran" *spit* than the Old Testament.

Posted by: Timon at October 01, 2016 11:06 AM (396pH)

13 Isn't Israel the sixth borough of NYC?

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2016 11:07 AM (vV/gB)

14 Why not? Obama crossed out America 8 years ago.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 01, 2016 11:10 AM (IqV8l)

15 I could be wrong but I believe that Moslems believe the ancient Israelites were really Moslems. Leave it to those wascally Jews to try and fool everyone.

Posted by: mallfly version 1.00203d at October 01, 2016 11:11 AM (2JQBv)

16 2 May this Presidint be forgotten by history and all his works erased.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2016 11:01 AM (Pvrwb)
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Barakhenaten.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 01, 2016 11:11 AM (jR7Wy)

17 One could ask if Barak was a Muzzy what would he do different.

Posted by: Skip at October 01, 2016 11:12 AM (ofpt4)

18 Obama read?

It is to laugh.

If he sees it on TV maybe . . .

Posted by: Furious George at October 01, 2016 11:13 AM (57K5j)

19 May this Presidint be forgotten by history and all his works erased.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2016 11:01 AM (Pvrwb)

Damnatio memoriae, in ancient Rome.

"The sense of the expression damnatio memoriae and of the sanction is to cancel every trace of the person from the life of Rome, as if he or she had never existed, in order to preserve the honour of the city. In a city that stressed social appearance, respectability, and the pride of being a true Roman as a fundamental requirement of the citizen, it was perhaps the most severe punishment."

Sounds good to me.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at October 01, 2016 11:14 AM (J8/9G)

20 Israel is God's Chosen. He blesses those who bless them, and curses those who curse them. More helpful info from the Old Testament.

Posted by: Jmel at October 01, 2016 11:15 AM (tv+BP)

21 Any response from Team Trump? Any indication they're doing something different that would cause Jews to trust the Republican Party?

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2016 11:15 AM (Pz4pT)

22 I suspect that ultimately history will not treat odumbo kindly. In the short term we will have to endure a sickening period of legacy crap, but in the longer term history will see him for what he really is. A poser.

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2016 11:15 AM (Sfs6o)

23 i doubt espn will have a special on the old testament anytime soon. it's the only channel this braindead, uneducated, dipshit watches. so, he will never know shit about it. history for him started the day he was born.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 01, 2016 11:16 AM (KP5rU)

24 2 May this Presidint be forgotten by history and all his works erased.

Posted by: Anna Puma

Obazymandias

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 01, 2016 11:17 AM (gyKtp)

25 The Choom will never read a bible. Maybe a koran, but not a bible.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 01, 2016 11:18 AM (mpXpK)

26 What the flip?? This doesn't even make sense. Is he in touch with reality in any way, shape or form? Let's start calling Washington DC, "Finlandia".

Posted by: grammie winger's deplorable basket at October 01, 2016 11:21 AM (bpfzP)

27 Jerusalem has never had Jews in it. Google it! It's not like it was ever called "the City of David" or was the historical capitol of the tribes of Israel or anything.
It's questionable if Israelites have any business being in Israel, or if Jews have any business being in Judea. The whole concept is laughable. Next thing you know, we'll be told that Swedes should be in Sweden, Poles in Poland, or Germans in Germany. Madness!

Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at October 01, 2016 11:21 AM (8mYUr)

28 in the heart of the nastiest neighborhood in the world.


Meh.


Posted by: Pakistan at October 01, 2016 11:22 AM (9q7Dl)

29 The only way Obama is going to learn the Old Testament is if Satan reads it to him during barbed cock sessions.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 01, 2016 11:22 AM (tf9Ne)

30 Maybe for Rosh Hashanah, Barry will throw a Pig Roast.


Posted by: grammie winger's deplorable basket at October 01, 2016 11:23 AM (bpfzP)

31 13 Isn't Israel the sixth borough of NYC?
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2016 11:07 AM (vV/gB)

No, that's Miami. Israel is the seventh borough.

Posted by: Osiris at October 01, 2016 11:24 AM (brIR5)

32 So the wa pop is crapping itself in an editorial because president Trump might do all of the things tfg has done for eight years, except as a republican.

Posted by: A Blinkin at October 01, 2016 11:24 AM (ucKOk)

33 I suspect that ultimately history will not treat odumbo kindly. In the short term we will have to endure a sickening period of legacy crap, but in the longer term history will see him for what he really is. A poser.

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2016 11:15 AM (Sfs6o)

I disagree. History is written by historians or journalists. Academics and journalists are almost always Leftists. If Leftists have a problem with Obama, it's that he's not Left enough.

How many scathing biographies of the many failings of Jimmy Carter have you read? At worst, Obama will be ignored but not held accountable for anything.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at October 01, 2016 11:24 AM (J8/9G)

34 even satan couldn't make him listen. it's not all about him, you know.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 01, 2016 11:24 AM (KP5rU)

35 Wa Po not pop

Posted by: A Blinkin at October 01, 2016 11:24 AM (ucKOk)

36 As someone from the old days used to say, "All evil-doers meet three times a day at Jew-Hate Junction".

Posted by: grammie winger's deplorable basket at October 01, 2016 11:25 AM (bpfzP)

37 Many young American Jews seem to have little feeling for Israel. Could be due to intermarriage rates and the general decline in religion. To them being Jewish means voting Dem. And saying nice things about Muslims to show they're, like, all about diversity.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at October 01, 2016 11:26 AM (P8951)

38 And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Obazymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 01, 2016 11:27 AM (gyKtp)

39 Sorry Anna he will be rembered as the First African
American President. And it will be because of him that it will be a
generation before the second one is elected.

Posted by: Picric


Generation, hell. I said 8 years ago if he fucked things up it might be another 232 years before anyone took the chance again. At this point he'll pass into myth as a boogeyman alongside Herod.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, That Deplorable Guy at October 01, 2016 11:28 AM (vyqqu)

40 "The Romans called that district Palestine, and palestinians are being driven out of their homes and bombed by Jews so that makes Israel evil!"
-Average University History Professor

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 01, 2016 11:28 AM (39g3+)

41 Those jews are not only all Dems but also the most liberal. The alt.Right isn't afraid to call them on it either

Posted by: him at October 01, 2016 11:29 AM (epLyw)

42 I disagree. History is written by historians or journalists. Academics and journalists are almost always Leftists. If Leftists have a problem with Obama, it's that he's not Left enough.

How many scathing biographies of the many failings of Jimmy Carter have you read? At worst, Obama will be ignored but not held accountable for anything.
Posted by: Kodos
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FDR is still considered a god by the Dems.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 01, 2016 11:29 AM (9mTYi)

43 Orthodox Jews are loyal to their faith. The reformed "Jewish" movement, predominant in American cities, is only jewish by ancestry. Their true religion is hard left liberalism, and they are generally committed atheists who see their "religion" as little but an extended social club.

In that light, it is easy to see why they couldn't care less if Israel burns. In fact, many of them would prefer it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2016 11:29 AM (V2Yro)

44 Obama will never read the Old Testament.

I will never understand Jews or Blacks who vote Democrat.

Except the free stuff and generational welfare blacks. I get that.

Posted by: gracepc at October 01, 2016 11:30 AM (OU4q6)

45 28 in the heart of the nastiest neighborhood in the world.

Meh.

Posted by: Pakistan at October 01, 2016 11:22 AM (9q7Dl)


Amateurs.

Posted by: Detroit at October 01, 2016 11:30 AM (SQ7Zf)

46 Israel is God's Chosen. He blesses those who bless them, and curses those who curse them. More helpful info from the Old Testament.
Posted by: Jmel at October 01, 2016 11:15 AM (tv+BP)

One of the many reasons why America will continue to deteriorate, especially if the Beast wins.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 01, 2016 11:30 AM (PMV9q)

47 king solomon could only dream to be as cool and phisticated as king barky. plus, solomon never had an ugly assed wookie. all his wives were hot, like trumps, i'm sure of it.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 01, 2016 11:30 AM (KP5rU)

48 What the flip?? This doesn't even make sense. Is he in touch with reality in any way, shape or form? Let's start calling Washington DC, "Finlandia".
Posted by: grammie winger's deplorable basket at October 01, 2016 11:21 AM (bpfzP)


It makes sense. In the 21st century, open hostility toward Israel is acceptable, in respectable circles.


Nobody... and I mean nobody uses software to write a memo, when they make a mistake, doesn't just use the backspace key to correct it. You have to take extra steps to find the strikeout key (I'm talking REAL computer software, not God forsaken Pixy crep).


You are intentionally making an incendiary statement when you cross out the word "Israel."


Don't let these people off the hook and call them stupid or insane. They know what they are doing.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2016 11:31 AM (Pz4pT)

49 Orthodox Jews are loyal to their faith.

And yet still vote Democrat

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 01, 2016 11:31 AM (39g3+)

50 I like the giant statues the North Koreans put up for the peasants to bow to.

Maybe Obama should start this in DC, a 50ft statue of Obama, we can all bring flowers and bow....great for the flower sellers. then I will have a statue of me right beside me...

Posted by: Hillary for the future, Free!! at October 01, 2016 11:31 AM (du8ty)

51 I will never understand Jews or Blacks who vote Democrat.

Except the free stuff and generational welfare blacks. I get that.
Posted by: gracepc at October 01, 2016 11:30 AM (OU4q6)

Traitors. Period.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 01, 2016 11:32 AM (PMV9q)

52
28 in the heart of the nastiest neighborhood in the world.
Meh.
Posted by: Pakistan at October 01, 2016 11:22 AM (9q7Dl)
Amateurs.
Posted by: Detroit at October 01, 2016 11:30 AM (SQ7Zf)

We are doing our best to catch up.

Posted by: Lodonstan Refugees at October 01, 2016 11:33 AM (tf9Ne)

53 "...my Muslim faith, er my Christian faith..."

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 01, 2016 11:33 AM (zu88C)

54 Their true religion is hard left liberalism, and they are generally committed atheists who see their "religion" as little but an extended social club.
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So, parallel with the Unitarians? The Episcopal Church is certainly trending in that direction.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 01, 2016 11:33 AM (9mTYi)

55
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 01, 2016 11:29 AM (9mTYi)
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I'm thinking in historical terms - in a couple hundred years. In the short term, I agree. Everything is going to be named after him.

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2016 11:33 AM (Sfs6o)

56 Tomorrow begins Rosh Hashanah, or the Feast of Trumpets, and the Jewish New Year. The Old Testament speaks of the blowing of the trumpet (the shofar) as a signal that God will draw His people back to the land, and that His people will once again worship Him in Jerusalem.


In a battle between Barry Soetero and Almighty God, I know which one is the loser.

Posted by: grammie winger's deplorable basket at October 01, 2016 11:34 AM (bpfzP)

57 Orthodox Jews are loyal to their faith.

And yet still vote Democrat

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 01, 2016 11:31 AM (39g3+)


I didn't think that was true of Orthodox Jews. Other branches, yes, but not the Orthodox.

Posted by: OregonMuse at October 01, 2016 11:34 AM (SQ7Zf)

58 I'm sure there are plans for an Obama memorial somewhere between the wh and Washington monument. Maybe they'll just carve an obama relief into Washington monument. Anything less prominent would be racist.

Posted by: A Blinkin at October 01, 2016 11:34 AM (ucKOk)

59 How many scathing biographies of the many failings of Jimmy Carter have you read? At worst, Obama will be ignored but not held accountable for anything.
Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at October 01, 2016 11:24 AM (J8/9G)

When William Shirer was writing "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" some French historians told them they would not attempt to write a history of any event closer in time than the French Revolution, because they didn't have enough historical perspective to fully evaluate more recent events.

I thought that rather ridiculous at the time, but I can see their point now. Historians (assuming there will be some 100 or 200 years down the road) will be able to access this era better because time will make them emotionally removed and more objective. It will be difficult to get an objective assessment of the Obama era when all of the principal actors are still alive along with all the passions and prejudices and biases of the historian.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at October 01, 2016 11:34 AM (P8951)

60 54
Their true religion is hard left liberalism, and they are generally
committed atheists who see their "religion" as little but an extended
social club.

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So, parallel with the Unitarians? The Episcopal Church is certainly trending in that direction.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 01, 2016 11:33 AM (9mTYi)\
Did y'all see the link I had this morning where they were nominating an atheist to be a church preacher?

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 01, 2016 11:35 AM (mpXpK)

61 Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at October 01, 2016 11:34 AM (P8951)
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Exactly.

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2016 11:35 AM (Sfs6o)

62 CNN going after Trump this am...several stories including the lead story.
Maybe he should stay off Twitter. The MSM loves to hit him hard when he puts something up on Twitter.

Posted by: Colin at October 01, 2016 11:35 AM (du8ty)

63 FDR is still considered a god by the Dems.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 01, 2016 11:29 AM (9mTYi)


You have to work extra hard to find the reasoning behind FDR worship that does NOT include presiding over the nation that defeated fascism on two sides of the world.


Yes, I know, New Deal and Social Security and all that rot, but of course those things survived as long as they did PRECISELY because we went into Total War mode.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2016 11:35 AM (Pz4pT)

64 I disagree. History is written by historians or journalists. Academics and journalists are almost always Leftists.

Only for the last 50 years or so. A hundred years from now that will likely have changed.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 01, 2016 11:36 AM (bZ7mE)

65 idiots who vote for commie demonrats deserve every flogging they get. good and fucking hard. repeatedly. ignorance is no excuse.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 01, 2016 11:36 AM (KP5rU)

66
Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair.

~ Obamandias

Posted by: fixerupper at October 01, 2016 11:37 AM (JmjOe)

67 I didn't think that was true of Orthodox Jews. Other branches, yes, but not the Orthodox.
Posted by: OregonMuse at October 01, 2016 11:34 AM (SQ7Zf)

That's what I thought too. I remember some Jewish poster at Chuck's place saying that when you look at an Orthodox Jew, chances are you're looking at a Republican. The problem is most American Jews are not Orthodox.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at October 01, 2016 11:37 AM (P8951)

68 Grammie: See my 11:25 comment near the end of the last thread.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at October 01, 2016 11:37 AM (sdi6R)

69 64 Only for the last 50 years or so. A hundred years from now that will likely have changed.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 01, 2016 11:36 AM (bZ7mE)

It has been that way here in the US since the early 1900s. I don't see that changing until the US finally collapses from the excesses of socialism/communism.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 01, 2016 11:38 AM (mpXpK)

70 One day Obama will read the Old Testament

You're standing too close to the smoker, get upwind quick.

Posted by: DaveA at October 01, 2016 11:39 AM (8J/Te)

71 One day Obama will read...

Hah! Stop it, you're killing me!

Posted by: t-bird at October 01, 2016 11:39 AM (mxCgt)

72
You know who else crosses Israel off of lists?

Ayatollahs.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 01, 2016 11:39 AM (JmjOe)

73 Grammie: See my 11:25 comment near the end of the last thread.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at October 01, 2016 11:37 AM (sdi6R)
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So, I should skip my trip to England and see my doctor here instead. Makes sense

Posted by: grammie winger's deplorable basket at October 01, 2016 11:40 AM (bpfzP)

74 "He soever strikes out the name of Israel shall be struck out also."
-- The Really New Proverbs.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2016 11:41 AM (Pvrwb)

75 Dude, it's Al Quds.

Posted by: John Brennan at October 01, 2016 11:41 AM (/O5Ax)

76 Off to take Miss Carmen to the doggie chiropractor.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at October 01, 2016 11:41 AM (J8/9G)

77 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 01, 2016 11:38 AM (mpXpK)
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Hi Vic, when I wrote #22 I sort of had in mind historians crawling out of the rubble of the 21st century and deciding to make some notes on what went wrong.

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2016 11:41 AM (Sfs6o)

78 Posted by: OregonMuse at October 01, 2016 11:34 AM (SQ7Zf)

You are correct.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 01, 2016 11:41 AM (Zu3d9)

79 May this Presididn't be forgotten by history and all his works erased.

So that history may repeat itself? No, thanks. Hang him like a millstone around Progressivism's neck.

Posted by: t-bird at October 01, 2016 11:42 AM (mxCgt)

80 Maybe for Rosh Hashanah, Barry will throw a Pig Roast. Posted by: grammie winger's deplorable basket at October 01, 2016 11:23 AM (bpfzP)
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No. But I will take bets that he will do a shout-out to Muslims on THEIR New Year celebrations. Oct 2 and 4 -- coinciding with Jewish New Year and Rosh Hashannah.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 01, 2016 11:42 AM (MIKMs)

81 pretty sure ophucksticks' reading level is on the preschool level. he wouldn't understand a damn thing he was reading. he would only be able to sound out one word out of ten.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 01, 2016 11:43 AM (KP5rU)

82 The problem is most American Jews are not Orthodox.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at October 01, 2016 11:37 AM (P8951)

That's changing. Birthrates in modern orthodox and chasidic communities are high.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 01, 2016 11:43 AM (Zu3d9)

83 When you think about it, it's amazing that the Jewish people have managed to survive for thousands of years, most of that time while under attack, and much of that time dispersed and driven from their land. Many religious and ethnic groups have come and gone, and still - the Jews. God doesn't break a promise.


Posted by: grammie winger's deplorable basket at October 01, 2016 11:44 AM (bpfzP)

84 The MSM loves to hit him hard when he

...does anything at all, or even if he doesn't.

Fuck them, timidity does nothing.

Posted by: t-bird at October 01, 2016 11:44 AM (mxCgt)

85 Obastard read The Bible? Surely you jest. The queeran, maybe.

Posted by: CMU VET at October 01, 2016 11:46 AM (C+wjz)

86 king solomon could only dream to be as cool and phisticated as king barky. plus, solomon never had an ugly assed wookie. all his wives were hot, like trumps, i'm sure of it.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 01, 2016 11:30 AM (KP5rU)


Calls to mind the song, "How Fortunate the Man With None," by Dead Can Dance. Based on a poem by Brecht.


Now, Brecht was a completely rotten human, and so I'm not sure if he is praising or being ironic or genuinely admires the man with none. Well, to me, the man with none is our current occupant of the White House:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzTBsbXFY7I

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2016 11:46 AM (Pz4pT)

87 Why would Obama care what the Old Testament says about Jerusalem? That book is even older than the Constitution.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at October 01, 2016 11:47 AM (+QFqi)

88 If it hasn't been written for him and he hasn't read it aloud, it didn't happen.

Posted by: t-bird at October 01, 2016 11:47 AM (mxCgt)

89 I still suspect that, while at Columbia, Barack offered to suck a Jewish guy's dick for some drugs and was rejected.

Posted by: garrett at October 01, 2016 11:47 AM (N0qDx)

90 Drudge: Alicia Merchado trigger man for Seth Conrad Rich?

Posted by: Rob at October 01, 2016 11:48 AM (IBkg5)

91 That old Joo's funeral caused me to miss my tee time. Well, that and Clenis almost missing our flight. FML.

Posted by: Prez'nit Jizya at October 01, 2016 11:49 AM (Tyii7)

92 >>Those jews are not only all Dems but also the most liberal. The alt.Right isn't afraid to call them on it either


Quick, to the Panzers!

Posted by: garrett at October 01, 2016 11:50 AM (N0qDx)

93 Many religious and ethnic groups have come and gone, and still - the Jews. God doesn't break a promise.

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The one thing I insisted on with my kids was that Jesus was a Jew. We should honor the Jews and respect their religion because without the Torah, there is no Testament(s). I raised them as Roman Catholics and insisted on the respect because in some segments of RC churches, the anti-semitism is pretty ugly.

Without the Ten Commandments as an agreed underpinning of civil society we are no better than animals.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 01, 2016 11:50 AM (MIKMs)

94 It has been that way here in the US since the early 1900s. I don't see that changing until the US finally collapses from the excesses of socialism/communism.

There has been a large contingent of leftists writing history since then, but I don't think that the left had a near-monopoly on the subject until the 1960s. Even today I think that there are more conservative historians out there than you might think, and not every leftist historian is a Howard Zinn type (I don't think that Zinn is taken seriously even by leftist historians for the most part - one of the funnier things I've read was the avowed Marxist writing in Mother Jones complaining that Zinn over-emphasized race, class, and gender to the exclusion of everything else....)

Part of the problem is that a lot of conservatives have trouble admitting that the sanitized version of American history they learned in 5th grade may not have been accurate in all respects. (The reverse side of the same coin that you see among leftists who think that Amerikkka has been always evil all the time).

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 01, 2016 11:51 AM (bZ7mE)

95 You have to work extra hard to find the reasoning behind FDR worship that does NOT include presiding over the nation that defeated fascism on two sides of the world.


Yes, I know, New Deal and Social Security and all that rot, but of course those things survived as long as they did PRECISELY because we went into Total War mode.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Try to rationally discuss that with any Democrat. They plug their ears with their fingers and go "la-la-la-la... I can't hear you"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 01, 2016 11:51 AM (9mTYi)

96 Quick, to the Panzers!
Posted by: garrett at October 01, 2016 11:50 AM (N0qDx)


I don't wanna fire up the ovens, I just wanna rock the cook uniforms!

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2016 11:51 AM (Pz4pT)

97 Posted by: Colin at October 01, 2016 11:35 AM (du8ty)


You spelled your name wrong again.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 01, 2016 11:51 AM (o9m/V)

98 Quick, to the Panzers!
Posted by: garrett at October 01, 2016 11:50 AM (N0qDx)


I don't wanna fire up the ovens, I just wanna rock the cook uniforms!
Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2016 11:51 AM (Pz4pT)


Cool, dammit! Not cook. Even if it WERE a Freudian slip, not a particularly clever one.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2016 11:52 AM (Pz4pT)

99 I found Aleppo. It's in East Korea, bitches!

Posted by: Gary Johnson at October 01, 2016 11:53 AM (mj73g)

100 From the previous thread.

Write your own title

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/selection-du-weekend-212-69.jpg


"I looked up and quickly noticed everyone in the joint had acromegaly...."

.

Posted by: Love hertz at October 01, 2016 11:54 AM (no0Da)

101 84. I was thinking this morning how a lot of conservatives were bummed that Trump won the primaries because "anyone could beat Hillary" I now think the Trump voters may have been correct that he was the best chance to beat the MFM.

And that is the reality today. A challenger to the D nominee is not running only against the nominee and their party. If that were true we might have had a President McCain and very likely would have had a president Romney Perry.

Posted by: PaleRider at October 01, 2016 11:55 AM (Jen0I)

102 I found Aleppo. It's in East Korea, bitches![i/]

It's next to Peruvia, you nimrod.

Posted by: Garry Johnsen at October 01, 2016 11:56 AM (Tyii7)

103 So, parallel with the Unitarians? The Episcopal Church is certainly trending in that direction.

*******

Which is why I bailed on them with contempt. Their local seminary appears to be a lesbian-in-service oozing with whatever the current social justice/commie meme of the day is. We share a post office and it's all I can do to not ask if they mean to look stereotypical or if it's just a cultural thing.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 01, 2016 11:56 AM (09Ay7)

104 Yes, I know, New Deal and Social Security and all that rot, but of course those things survived as long as they did PRECISELY because we went into Total War mode.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Try to rationally discuss that with any Democrat. They plug their ears with their fingers and go "la-la-la-la... I can't hear you"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 01, 2016 11:51 AM (9mTYi)


Not unlike Bubba having been given all this credit for a booming mid-90s economy. Well yeah, but if he hadn't been fully rejected by voters in '94, thus electing the first Republican Congress in most of our lifetimes, that booming economy would not have happened.


But yeah, it was Bubba, somehow magically causing it.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2016 11:56 AM (Pz4pT)

Posted by: Garry Johnsen at October 01, 2016 11:56 AM (Tyii7)

106
The one thing I insisted on with my kids was
that Jesus was a Jew. We should honor the Jews and respect their
religion because without the Torah, there is no Testament(s).


Without the Ten Commandments as an agreed underpinning of civil society we are no better than animals.


Posted by: mustbequantum at October 01, 2016 11:50 AM (MIKMs)
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My parents raised me that way too. I went to a church (Baptist) that loved the Jewish people and was very pro-Israel. We often had visiting rabbis come in to teach or to share a meal. Love for Israel and for Jews in general was just a given.

Posted by: grammie winger's deplorable basket at October 01, 2016 11:57 AM (bpfzP)

107 Drats, the King of Weed skated the Barrel.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2016 11:58 AM (Pvrwb)

108 I found Aleppo. It's in East Korea, bitches!

Posted by: Gary Johnson at October 01, 2016 11:53 AM (mj73g)


What do you do in East Pakistan if your car radio doesn't work?

Bangladesh.

Don't forget to tip your waitress. Try the veal.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 01, 2016 11:58 AM (o9m/V)

109 I almost had to go to the barrel. Good thing I have my stash. Whew.

Posted by: Garry Johnsen at October 01, 2016 11:58 AM (Tyii7)

110 I have a suspicion that the left also hates Israel because Israelis specifically rejected hard-core socialism when it turned out it didn't work.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 01, 2016 11:58 AM (2lndx)

111 Drats, the King of Weed skated the Barrel.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2016 11:58 AM (Pvrwb)


I believe that's just him, thinking. He does that, you know.


Thinks.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2016 11:59 AM (Pz4pT)

112 All this kind of brings to mind a different sort of Bible verse than people are quoting here, one from Romans:

"But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; nor are they all children because they are Abraham's descendants, but: 'THROUGH ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS WILL BE NAMED.' That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 01, 2016 11:59 AM (39g3+)

113 Fortunately, my hemp-induced fast twitch reflexes kicked in.

Posted by: Garry Johnsen at October 01, 2016 12:00 PM (Tyii7)

114 Well, I hope the "conservatives" who are endorsing Hillary Clinton enjoy poverty, because I will never spend a cent on any of them.

Anyone who would turn power over to Hillary Clinton not only is not conservative at all, but is actively fighting against the survival of the human species.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 01, 2016 12:00 PM (SAOMr)

115 The one thing I insisted on with my kids was that Jesus was a Jew.

As were all but one of the Apostles (John Mark was probably Greek).

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 01, 2016 12:01 PM (39g3+)

116 I now think the Trump voters may have been correct that he was the best chance to beat the MFM.

*******

I don't think anyone else is thinking this, and the fake-right pundits are saying the opposite, but I don't think ignoring the left's usual typical low-brow demagoguery for policy is necessarily productive. I was reared to "rise above," "ignore those who wanted to wallow in the mud," "be the better person," etc. However, I now think that the electorate is so dumbed down from watching TV and the public school system that they can't process anything but low-brow demagoguery and wouldn't grasp a policy if it bit them in the ass. If you ignore it, like Bush, McCain, Romney and be "bigger," they think that you're guilty.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 01, 2016 12:01 PM (09Ay7)

117 I have a suspicion that the left also hates Israel because Israelis specifically rejected hard-core socialism when it turned out it didn't work.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 01, 2016 11:58 AM (2lndx)


Too much logic there. No, Jew is just shorthand for self-interest, and the only ones allowed to have self-interest are the enlightened, the intellectual class of leftists.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2016 12:02 PM (Pz4pT)

118 17 writing contests with cash prizes. One prize is to spend a year traveling abroad.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/z6x63dd

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2016 12:03 PM (Pvrwb)

119 I now think that the electorate is so dumbed down
from watching TV and the public school system that they can't process
anything but low-brow demagoguery and wouldn't grasp a policy if it bit
them in the ass. If you ignore it, like Bush, McCain, Romney and be
"bigger," they think that you're guilty.


Posted by: deplorable dagny

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Bingo

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 01, 2016 12:03 PM (zu88C)

120 writing contests with cash prizes. One prize is to spend a year traveling abroad.
========================================


If you go to Great Britain, get your colonoscopy here first.


Posted by: grammie winger's deplorable basket at October 01, 2016 12:04 PM (bpfzP)

121 I have a suspicion that the left also hates Israel
because Israelis specifically rejected hard-core socialism when it
turned out it didn't work.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 01, 2016 11:58 AM (2lndx)


I think you are completely correct. Israel had a lot of Soviet support and trade deals right up to the point they realized they were going to run out of sand and be overrun.


Posted by: Kindltot at October 01, 2016 12:04 PM (KOBAq)

122 You can't fix stupid.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at October 01, 2016 12:04 PM (Nwg0u)

123 I'm a life long Catholic. I have never heard anything but respect for the Jewish People and love and prayers for Israel. We Catholics are big on trips to The Holy Land.

Posted by: CMU VET at October 01, 2016 12:04 PM (C+wjz)

124 I am coming to see the wisdom of Ace's plan to become a Democrat if Hillary Clinton is elected, an event that seems a lot more likely if Donald Trump cannot do the difficult work of restraining himself from tweeting about aging beauty queen that Hillary and the media ambushed him with. It is not easy to beat the Democrats because they live for political power and they have no limits on what they will do to achieve it and keep it.


I am reading up about life in Communist countries so that I will know how to behave in order to survive. Part of that survival strategy is going to be standing aside silently while people in power treat the Jews as scapegoats, encourage private acts of violence against them and eventually incorporate official oppression into law. I will not even feel any schadenfreude about people who work so hard to put progressive totalitarians into power being treated poorly by those same totalitarians because it means that America, a place and an idea that I loved, is well and truly dead and gone while something else wears the name and the real estate like a skin suit.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at October 01, 2016 12:05 PM (+QFqi)

125 In Orangeburg S.C the local Jewish congregation used to meet in the Presbyterian church until they could build their own temple . Always thought that was pretty laid back for a bunch of neo confederate knuckledraggers .

Posted by: awkward davies at October 01, 2016 12:05 PM (7Awbj)

126 As were all but one of the Apostles (John Mark was probably Greek).

Who is John Mark?

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 01, 2016 12:05 PM (09Ay7)

127 Another thing to remember about history in the long run: future generations of historians will have access to an immense amount of material thanks to the Internet - not only the official hagiographies, but what was written by humble commentators on humble blogs. There is a ton of evidence regarding his subversion of the Constitution and that will not go away, despite the Left's attempts to rewrite history.

I dunno - we don't know what's coming next because we're right in the middle of this vortex. In my darker moments, I think we will continue our downward slide. At other times, I remember that history has cycle , things can turn quite suddenly, and elites do not stay in power forever. When Louis XVI was coronated, nobody but nobody foresaw what his end would be.

The EU is crumbling. Was the Brexit vote the first volley in a populist revolt or an outlier? We don't know yet.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at October 01, 2016 12:05 PM (P8951)

128 Grammie Winger will skip the UK.

Maybe Ireland. But Germany and Italy. Plus Japan, Israel, Australia, and New Zealand.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2016 12:05 PM (Pvrwb)

129 I now think that the electorate is so dumbed down from watching TV and the public school system that they can't process anything but low-brow demagoguery

I think so too, and I think that's where Hillary is hurting herself and the debate didn't do much to move the needle. She's being all wonky and talking about policy, that doesn't reach people. Trump is not doing anything useful right now to reach voters, either, but he's not boring them.

Hillary's talk right now just makes her seem great to her base, who might have been turning away to stay home. But new voters?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 01, 2016 12:06 PM (39g3+)

130 Who is John Mark?
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 01, 2016 12:05 PM


Maker's great great great great grandfather

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 01, 2016 12:06 PM (ZQfW9)

131 A big problem with the voting element with modern day Jewry is this:

The post WWII generation witnessed the creation of Israel, and it's survival against all odds, in a series of epic and historic wars and battles. That generation cheered for the underdog, and especially so, knowing the recent Holocaust that led to the need to recognize the Jewish Homeland.

Contrast that with the two or three (major) generation since then. The newest of which, to whom Israel has always existed, always been triumphant, always head and shoulders above the Arab world, and always allied and aligned with, the United States.

Insert now the indoctrination that the U.S., and by extension Israel, are always to blame for being SO strong, SO powerful, SO dominant, that things are "not fair" for the lesser countries.

The tired old argument that we use "x" amount of the world's "resources", while only being "x" amount of the world's population.

The Zinn based lies about our founding being "corrupt", which they then extend also to Israel.

All combined with, the natural American tendency to "root for the underdog". Which title, our erstwhile "betters" in the media and education do their damndest to bestow upon the Palestinians and every other 7th century aligned against and enemy to, both the U.S. and Israel.

Is it no wonder then that so many misguided Jews even now support Palestinian causes?

Here's the rub. Culturally, the Jews thrive upon, crave, and revere higher education. And thus, their educators.

And here we have it that their educators are the very source of the poison to the Jewish (and every other right thinking person's) souls.

Somehow, someday, that cycle needs to be, and pray will be, broken.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 01, 2016 12:06 PM (v5iqM)

132 You can't fix stupid.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,
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Or, as has been said here before, You can't reason someone out of a position that they weren't reasoned into in the first place.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 01, 2016 12:07 PM (9mTYi)

133 If you ignore it, like Bush, McCain, Romney and be

"bigger," they think that you're guilty.

===========

Unfortunately we live in a time in which character doesn't matter to the masses. Results do.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 01, 2016 12:07 PM (zu88C)

134 121 I have a suspicion that the left also hates Israel
because Israelis specifically rejected hard-core socialism when it
turned out it didn't work.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 01, 2016 11:58 AM (2lndx)

I think you are completely correct. Israel had a lot of Soviet support and trade deals right up to the point they realized they were going to run out of sand and be overrun.



Posted by: Kindltot at October 01, 2016 12:04 PM (KOBAq)
******
Yep as well as liking money from the arabs. The left is good with being financed by the worst people in the world.

Jim Moran, retired corruptocrat-D Virginia, was entirely financed by sketchy muslims and started the 'no backlash' meme on the house floor on 9-11 while the pentagon was still smoking in his own district.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 01, 2016 12:08 PM (09Ay7)

135 114 Well, I hope the "conservatives" who are endorsing Hillary Clinton enjoy poverty, because I will never spend a cent on any of them"

As I said earlier this week, after this election, NR cruises will probably consist of Jonah Goldberg and Kevin Williamson paddling 3 people in a rowboat around Long Island Sound.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at October 01, 2016 12:09 PM (P8951)

136 Who is John Mark?
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 01, 2016 12:05 PM

Maker's great great great great grandfather
Posted by: AltonJackson at October 01, 2016 12:06 PM (ZQfW9)


The respectable branch of the family. John's ne'er-do-well cousin, Onmy, begat the great great great great grandson, Marky.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2016 12:09 PM (Pz4pT)

137 Who is John Mark?


Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 01, 2016 12:05 PM (09Ay7)
==============================================

Accompanied Paul on his missionary journeys, got homesick and ducked out for a while, Uncle Barnabas and Paul got into it about him and split up. Paul went on his way but later came around to the idea that John Mark could still be useful to him and they teamed up again.

Posted by: grammie winger's deplorable basket at October 01, 2016 12:09 PM (bpfzP)

138 94 Part of the problem is that a lot of conservatives
have trouble admitting that the sanitized version of American history
they learned in 5th grade may not have been accurate in all respects.
(The reverse side of the same coin that you see among leftists who think
that Amerikkka has been always evil all the time).

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 01, 2016 11:51 AM (bZ7mE)

Oh I know the crap that is foisted off on students in grades 1 through 12 is mostly all pure BS. But the press has even has less knowledge than even that.
And on top of that most Americans now get their "history" from movies and TV. Even the History Channel is crap. Inherit The Wind is celebrated as a great history movie that shows ignorant Christians in TN prosecuting science when it disagreed with the written word of the bible.
How many people know that the great Scopes Hoax was a put up job to get some tourism to a community going broke?
I could go on and on on the subject of history and how it has been badly taught and reported for a long long time.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 01, 2016 12:10 PM (mpXpK)

139 Do they still put out a reading list for Obama of books he's reading? Or have the given that up since President Tv time is always asking for advance copies of tv shows instead of books.

Posted by: Buzzion at October 01, 2016 12:11 PM (bMG0w)

140 Obazylazymandias

-
Obozo also said that once he leaves office he'll speak his mind. I guess that's when he'll actually call for a final and this time I mean final solution.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at October 01, 2016 12:11 PM (Nwg0u)

141 I think it is about BRANDING and tribalism. Republicans are branded as Fascists/Nazis whatever kind of regardless. It doesn't matter what the positions actually are, Republican = Nazi.

Trump has been for gay marriage since last Millenium. Hillary was a hateful bigot on the subject until 2012.

Yet who is perceived as non-progressive on the subject?

So, people who come from places where oppression from the Fascists was commonplace tend toward being Democrats because of the feelz. Only when the oppressors are explicitly Communist does the backlash tend toward Republicans.


Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2016 12:11 PM (ACqhm)

142 Unfortunately we live in a time in which character doesn't matter to the masses. Results do.

Posted by: Mortimer
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That may be true. People are actually not stupid. The problem is that the media are the ones who report the 'results', as in "Obama's policies have been enormously successful".

The other day I heard Tom Brokow say that the Clinton Foundation was "Remarkably effective".

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 01, 2016 12:12 PM (9mTYi)

143 Another thing to remember about history in the long run: future generations of historians will have access to an immense amount of material thanks to the Internet - not only the official hagiographies, but what was written by humble commentators on humble blogs. There is a ton of evidence regarding his subversion of the Constitution and that will not go away, despite the Left's attempts to rewrite history.

Actually, there is a worry is that it will not be possible to access the majority of electronic resources in the future, and that future historians are going to look at the early computer era as a "Dark Age" for which little evidence remains...I remember this coming up back when I was in college, and it turned out that I was the only one in the class who still wrote love letters with pencil and paper (Mine weren't really love letters per se, though I was certainly interested in the young lady to whom I was writing.)

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 01, 2016 12:12 PM (bZ7mE)

144 My parents raised me that way too. I went to a
church (Baptist) that loved the Jewish people and was very pro-Israel.
We often had visiting rabbis come in to teach or to share a meal. Love
for Israel and for Jews in general was just a given. Posted by: grammie winger's deplorable basket at October 01, 2016 11:57 AM (bpfzP)
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Maybe it is a midwestern thing? Same here with shared celebrations. I remember being shocked that so-called 'Christians' could be against Israel -- a shared historical homeland.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 01, 2016 12:13 PM (MIKMs)

145 Trump has been for gay marriage since last Millenium. Hillary was a hateful bigot on the subject until 2012.

Yet who is perceived as non-progressive on the subject?


Well it works in reverse, too. Conservatives hate Hillary for her love of homosexual "marriage" yet are willing to give Trump a pass for his lack of opposition to it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 01, 2016 12:13 PM (39g3+)

146 A fellow special needs mom has become a really good friend of mine and she is Jewish and has always voted D for no good reason. Be glad to know I have changed her mind and she is planning to vote R this year and is pretty damn enthusiastic about it too.

Posted by: IC at October 01, 2016 12:13 PM (f0ro7)

147 Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 01, 2016 12:12

Heh. Clinton Foundation has been remarkable effective. At helping them pile up money for their own use.

Posted by: PaleRider at October 01, 2016 12:14 PM (Jen0I)

148 Accompanied Paul on his missionary journeys, got homesick and ducked out for a while, Uncle Barnabas and Paul got into it about him and split up. Paul went on his way but later came around to the idea that John Mark could still be useful to him and they teamed up again.

Posted by: grammie winger's deplorable basket at October 01, 2016 12:09 PM


& then they kicked out Pete Stark & Ringo joined the band

true story

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 01, 2016 12:14 PM (ZQfW9)

149 It's stupid but the US can't recognize Jerusalem as the Capital of Isreal, because it would piss of the Arabs. We know it's the capital they know it's the capital, I think it's part of what the treaty from the 60's

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at October 01, 2016 12:15 PM (dKiJG)

150 Paul went on his way but later came around to the idea that John Mark could still be useful to him and they teamed up again.
Posted by: grammie winger's deplorable basket at October 01, 2016 12:09 PM (bpfzP)


Sadly though, by then John Mark had been enchanted by the mysterious town crier from the Orient, Okoy Oyes.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2016 12:15 PM (Pz4pT)

151 130 Who is John Mark?
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 01, 2016 12:05 PM


Maker's great great great great grandfather
Posted by: AltonJackson at October 01, 2016 12:06 PM (ZQfW9)
****Hence the good bourbon.
The Apostle John was the brother of James the greater who was the son of a Jew Zebedee. I know of no apostle John Mark, although John Mark the evangelist, usually known as Mark was potentially a sort of assistant apostle, but that's super iffy.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 01, 2016 12:16 PM (09Ay7)

152 Talk about voting against your own self-interest .... (a favorite leftist trope).

Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at October 01, 2016 12:16 PM (Z8DIA)

153 Well it works in reverse, too. Conservatives hate Hillary for her love of homosexual "marriage" yet are willing to give Trump a pass for his lack of opposition to it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 01, 2016 12:13 PM (39g3+)


I disagree that the case against Hillary is her "love" of homosexual marriage.



Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2016 12:17 PM (ACqhm)

154 IC - that's wonderful about the vote thing! BTW - I didn't know you had a special needs child. I had a handicapped brother (gone now), and in large part due to him, I became a speech pathologist. I remember what a challenge it was to have a disability back then in the Stone Age. No services available except for maybe Easter Seals, which is where my brother learned to walk. Blessings upon you and your child.


Posted by: grammie winger's deplorable basket at October 01, 2016 12:17 PM (bpfzP)

155 nood

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 01, 2016 12:18 PM (mpXpK)

156 Part of the problem is that a lot of conservatives have trouble admitting that the sanitized version of American history they learned in 5th grade may not have been accurate in all respects.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 01, 2016 11:51 AM (bZ7mE)

I don't know any conservatives who think America has always been blameless. I don't know anybody who defends slavery or Jim Crow laws. The problem is the Left has distorted the record into "America is the most evilest place of all times!!" It floors me that many millennials somehow think we invented slavery.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at October 01, 2016 12:18 PM (P8951)

157 The other day I heard Tom Brokow say that the Clinton Foundation was "Remarkably effective".

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 01, 2016 12:12 PM (9mTYi)


Well, considering that its goal is enriching the Clintons, that statement can be rated as true.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 01, 2016 12:19 PM (o9m/V)

158
The other day I heard Tom Brokow say that the Clinton Foundation was "Remarkably effective".

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc

=====

Yeah that's accurate.

It's a fine example of a shell corporation and money-laundering instrument worthy of RICO prosecution.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 01, 2016 12:19 PM (zu88C)

159 "Well it works in reverse, too. Conservatives hate
Hillary for her love of homosexual "marriage" yet are willing to give
Trump a pass for his lack of opposition to it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 01, 2016 12:13 PM (39g3+)"


I have so many reasons to not like Hillary Clinton that I doubt that her position on same sex marriage even makes the top 100.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at October 01, 2016 12:19 PM (+QFqi)

160 then they kicked out Pete Stark Ringo joined the band



true story



Posted by: AltonJackson at October 01, 2016 12:14 PM (ZQfW9)
================================================

which is why you can't get a copy of "Searchin" anywhere.

Posted by: Chris and Val at October 01, 2016 12:19 PM (bpfzP)

161 nood?


But I just got here!

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 01, 2016 12:20 PM (zu88C)

162 Nood up!

Posted by: Osiris at October 01, 2016 12:20 PM (brIR5)

163
Talk about voting against your own self-interest .... (a favorite leftist trope).

What's the matter with Kansas?

Posted by: Thomas Frank at October 01, 2016 12:22 PM (IqV8l)

164 Talking about History, my Nephew had a history teacher talk about how Evil Sherman's March was because he wasn't doing it to free the slaves but just to burn and destroy. He was denying the Enemy the means to make war.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at October 01, 2016 12:22 PM (dKiJG)

165 Part of the problem is that a lot of conservatives
have trouble admitting that the sanitized version of American history
they learned in 5th grade may not have been accurate in all respects.

****

That makes no sense. Have you seen a 5th grade social studies text book in the last 25 years? Besides they teach American history in 4th and 7th, not 5th and have for at least 30 years.

I have children ages 25-12. The elementary school american history text books, and I looked, have not one picture of a white man after the founding fathers, not even Lincoln.

I'm missing parents weekend this weekend because my college student has to go collect water samples from a distant watershed blah blah global warming blah blah (stem student) while Chelsea takes a private jet to an "alternative energy" conference. They did talk about that in class though, which is encouraging.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 01, 2016 12:23 PM (09Ay7)

166 94
Part of the problem is that a lot of conservatives have trouble admitting that the sanitized version of American history they learned in 5th grade may not have been accurate in all respects. (The reverse side of the same coin that you see among leftists who think that Amerikkka has been always evil all the time).
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 01, 2016 11:51 AM (bZ7mE)


This is true. People who were educated prior to the 1960s did get a sanitized version of American history. We learned about Columbus, the Revolution, Lewis & Clark, the westward expansion, and the great inventors like Bell, Edison, and the Wright Brothers.

But some of the darker things like slavery, the Indian Wars, and working conditions in mines and factories were glossed over.

That began to change in the 60s and 70s, and at first it was good to have a more balanced picture. I read "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" as a teenager and that was some material I had not been taught about.

But now the pendulum has swung all the way in the opposite direction. Today's students are taught that American history is nothing but an endless tale of slavery and oppression. If you mention the Constitution, most young people will snap back, "It was written by slaveowners." That's all they know about it, so the ideas it contains can safely be dismissed.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at October 01, 2016 12:23 PM (sdi6R)

167 Actually, there is a worry is that it will not be possible to access the majority of electronic resources in the future, and that future historians are going to look at the early computer era as a "Dark Age" for which little evidence remains.

NASA has tons of data on tapes which can no longer be read, because the formats are no longer supported by modern equipment, and the equipment which supports the formats are all in landfills. The few surviving in museums are "cosmetic," not functional.

Posted by: Fox2! at October 01, 2016 12:26 PM (brIR5)

168
I don't know any conservatives who think America has always been blameless. I don't know anybody who defends slavery or Jim Crow laws. The problem is the Left has distorted the record into "America is the most evilest place of all times!!" It floors me that many millennials somehow think we invented slavery.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at October 01, 2016 12:18 PM (P8951)

Kids are not taught that Jim Crow laws were State Laws in stalled by Democratics, so if you had a diner or restaurant you must by Law put in segregated seating sound familiar.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at October 01, 2016 12:26 PM (dKiJG)

169 Patrick from Ohio


Both can be true. Is your nephew in the south? Remember always that the victor writes the history and that having a more complete and nuanced view of the actions of both sides has more intellectual integrity.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 01, 2016 12:27 PM (09Ay7)

170 One day he will be in hell...unless he has a change of heart.

Posted by: Bev at October 01, 2016 12:30 PM (I1lZ5)

171 #44 gracepc.....In order for the vast majority of uneducated blacks to spurn handout crumbs from the corrupt government agencies, they would necessarily have to have character and a sense of pride. Obviously they don't . So the Leftists and their slaves keep playing their games. The left pretends to care about their slaves and the slaves keep pretending they are not slaves.The Jews are an enigma. What are their Rabbis preaching? Or maybe the current Jews are like their predecessors of 2,000 years ago. They didn't listen to God or His prophets really well then either.

Posted by: Pip McGuigen at October 01, 2016 12:34 PM (vGFvO)

172 169 Patrick from Ohio


Both can be true. Is your nephew in the south? Remember always that the victor writes the history and that having a more complete and nuanced view of the actions of both sides has more intellectual integrity.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 01, 2016 12:27 PM (09Ay7)

Texas but he told me his Teacher was a flaming liberal, because he said something about Sherman not caring about the lower classes

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at October 01, 2016 12:34 PM (dKiJG)

173
I believe that what we see occurring in black communities is an outcome of LBJ's Great Society--the deliberate purchase, through subsidy, of a race with the express intent of creating a monolithic voting bloc.

Seems to have worked extraordinarily well to date. Changing this will, I think,entail massive heartburn. But it CAN be done.

Is this a valid contention, or am I mistaken?

Posted by: irongrampa at October 01, 2016 12:50 PM (X35Yt)

174 I appreciate the history of the region for Jews and Christians, but I don't think that is the best reason Israel is entitled to Jerusalem (not that I am an expert)

The best reason to me is that the Arabs around them started wars and were perfectly willing to push Jews into the sea (still are). Israel won.

Israel could have kept more of the lands they gave back, and even now are willing to give "Palestine" their own place, if only they'd recognize Israel's right to exist.

The legalities are probably more complex ... but that sums it up for me.

Now if Americans would just decide we have a right to exist as well, to keep our founding principles and not have open borders, not be "fundamentally transformed" by criminals out of the Chicago syndicates ... then life would be grand. Brexit foreshadows a will to survive among the western proles ... the left is out to kill those that resist their matrix.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 01, 2016 01:00 PM (n6rAX)

175 " If you mention the Constitution, most young people
will snap back, "It was written by slaveowners." That's all they know
about it, so the ideas it contains can safely be dismissed."

Posted by: rickl the deplorable

yeah, yet the Obama admin has the Mao and Chavez lovers, and one guy quoted as "but in the end it comes down to the barrel of a gun"

History teachers will have to acknowledge the slavery, but start teaching history in light of the standards of the times. But with tyrants like the Clintons raping and pillaging, and starting race wars for political and personal gain ... we have a long way to go. The public teachers today hold them up as paragons of virtue.

From a reviewer of Royko's "The Boss" on Amazon. Dems keeping the blacks 'back in chains".

"Particularly
interesting was his account of the ethnic and racial evolution in this
melting pot of a city. Italian, Polish, Irish, German, and Slavic
neighborhoods whose only common theme was their hatred of the blacks.

The paradox being that despite the white hatred, the segregation and
appalling living conditons, those same white people could count on the
black vote come election time, largely because of unscrupulous black
ward bosses who cared more about power than helping their constituents."

Posted by: illiniwek at October 01, 2016 01:16 PM (n6rAX)

176 And in California they're voting for high speed rail so the cattle cars can make better time...

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at October 01, 2016 02:08 PM (Kucy5)

177 They'll deserve what they get

Posted by: Tradd at October 01, 2016 02:20 PM (EQcBC)

178 "Deplorables to the right of me, basement dwellers to the left, here I am...."

Posted by: Charles at October 01, 2016 06:24 PM (6E16S)

179 OZZY...man dis birds head is delicious can I have a Mark 1 mustang to get to the bar...whooo the fark is Jewey Fhcarter

Posted by: saf at October 02, 2016 06:54 AM (+zN6H)

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