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Congress Overrides Obama's Veto of 9/11 Bill, the First Time It Has Done So
It's a popular bill, so Democrats cravenly went along with it, giving, as it does, the victims of 9/11 the right to sue Saudi Arabia for its alleged connections to 9/11. (Of course, they'd also have to make that case in court.)
I'm not sure this is wise. Yeah, I know Saudi Arabia was involved. Saudi Arabia is the flower of terror throughout the world and always has been. But if we're using this as leverage or a sweetener to extract concessions from them, and we're giving that up to give some (admittedly deserving) people money... Not sure if it's a good trade. Then again, Obama doesn't use leverage to get anything out of any foreign power, so I don't know what this administration would be giving up. Hillary Clinton's "Charity" foundation will probably end up poorer, alas. So there is that. And there will be a price to be paid, I imagine, for Saudi Arabia permitting its million clerics to propagate pro-terrorism messages on the internet. BTW, Hillary's stout-hearted running mate skipped out on the bill so he could avoid casting a vote unpopular with the country at large or casting a vote which would upset Obama's cultish coalition. But never fear-- the media will absolutely hound him on what his vote would have been.Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 28, 2016 06:51 PM (kTF2Z)
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Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2016 06:54 PM (ofpt4)
Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at September 28, 2016 06:54 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 06:55 PM (sj3Ax)
Maybe the Saudis will out Clinton
Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 06:55 PM (apNqt)
Instead the news is all "Trump said something mean to a woman 20 years ago!"
Seriously?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 28, 2016 06:55 PM (39g3+)
I wonder if Obama will be his typical petulant self about this.
Posted by: buzzion at September 28, 2016 06:55 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Tim in Illinois at September 28, 2016 06:55 PM (d76uN)
Posted by: Bernette at September 28, 2016 06:55 PM (ru2SK)
Posted by: tbodie at September 28, 2016 06:55 PM (1t1Md)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 06:55 PM (apNqt)
Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2016 06:56 PM (ofpt4)
Hillary's plastic phoniness is hated by blue collar people but I suspect that many more well-heeled people saw her performance as "professionalism"because they're used to plastic phony people with the right credentials at work, at cocktail parties, and when they themselves interview for a position or interview someone else. A certain smooth blandness and empty poise appeals to many of them.
Don't believe me? If you're a white collar worker look around your own office. The glib bullshiters who can paper over a lack of actual results with platitudes often do very well for themselves.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at September 28, 2016 06:53 PM (P8951)
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at September 28, 2016 06:56 PM (P8951)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 28, 2016 06:56 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 28, 2016 06:56 PM (39g3+)
I wonder if he'll interrupt network television to pout in public?
Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 06:56 PM (sj3Ax)
Republican senators are up for reelection too. Once they are, they will gut it, or some how kill it
Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 06:57 PM (apNqt)
Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at September 28, 2016 06:57 PM (8ZskC)
Then they say we have to make obeisance to the Saudis or they won't cooperate and tell us who the terrorists are among the Muslims attacking Western Europe and the US.
How about we stop letting the Muslims colonize us? Then we wouldn't have to go hat in hand to the House of Saud. And we should tell the Saudis they are no longer permitted to spread their poisonous terrorist religion in our prisons and elsewhere.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 28, 2016 06:57 PM (fgOnp)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 28, 2016 06:57 PM (6Ll1u)
Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2016 06:57 PM (ofpt4)
Posted by: Taqyia2Me, I'm Deplorable at September 28, 2016 06:58 PM (QFpXi)
______________________________
Sometimes politics isn't about bargaining.
Sometimes, it's about doing what's right for the Americans.
(I can understand why one's reaction is to think this is about bargaining, but that's what your thinking turns into in the Matrix.)
Posted by: Deplorable Adirondack Patriot at September 28, 2016 06:58 PM (HdttC)
Posted by: Chupacabra at September 28, 2016 06:58 PM (kL1bp)
Posted by: Tony "Exercise Band" Sicilano at September 28, 2016 06:58 PM (kTF2Z)
Note, this was only the 12th veto of Obama's two terms, because the GOP.
GWB also only had 12 vetos. Officially no longer a thing.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 28, 2016 06:59 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Overeducated Shithead at September 28, 2016 06:59 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2016 07:00 PM (ofpt4)
I don't support this bill. I think Obama knew he would be overruled by his buddies in Congress, so he went against the grain. good cop bad cop
This will not bode well for America in the future. This is just another step towards a centralized legal system, outside of our sovereignty.
A windfall for lawyers. No way the victims will "win."
This will bite us back in the future.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 28, 2016 07:00 PM (qCMvj)
Admit I'm so lazy about some things now I haven't bothered to look, but does this legislation mean that Lebanon, Egypt, and the UAE are also now open to being sued?
Small detail, but their nationals were the pilots and key leaders of the operation.
Not that that makes any more sense, just wondering.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 28, 2016 07:01 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Alec Leamas at September 28, 2016 07:01 PM (WzlF7)
Posted by: Prez'nit Klink at September 28, 2016 07:01 PM (Tyii7)
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DON'T WAIT, CALL 1-888-SUE-HIZASS
OPERATORS STANDING BY
Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at September 28, 2016 07:01 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 28, 2016 07:03 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Azathoth at September 28, 2016 07:04 PM (XN0hD)
If I'm going to have to live under constant threat of lawyers, so can Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 07:04 PM (onbPc)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 28, 2016 07:04 PM (uz/Pv)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 07:04 PM (6FqZa)
Yes, he is that big of an asshole.
Posted by: Roy at September 28, 2016 07:04 PM (fWLrt)
Posted by: Reggie at September 28, 2016 07:05 PM (uz/Pv)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
The lawsuit is a US lawsuit.
How is it outside of our sovereignty ... other than the usual 'men in black robes' problem?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 28, 2016 07:06 PM (V3IFq)
Mitch McConnell must be embarrassed as hell by this.
Posted by: Cicero
The original bill passed the Senate on a voice vote, but the GOP plan was for the House to kill it and take the political heat instead of the brave Senators.
But, Ryan doubled-crossed the Senate and pushed the bill thru on another voice vote, scared of the backlash himself one assumes, and Obama actually had to veto it.
Also should mention the bill had plenty of waffle in it, with giant loop-holes Obama could use to basically ignore it, but that wasn't good enough for everyone involved.
More Capitol Hill Shadow-play, rather than a Moment in Courage:
http://tinyurl.com/j793hos
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 28, 2016 07:07 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at September 28, 2016 07:07 PM (Fo5eA)
Posted by: Prez'nit Klink at September 28, 2016 07:09 PM (Tyii7)
This doesn't smell right!
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki, Certified Deplorable at September 28, 2016 07:10 PM (VQYCA)
I'll also bet that the majority of Americans don't know that Article 5
of the Constitution was acted upon for the first time ever this week !
Representatives/Delegates from all 50 States convened a "practice"
session to iron out any procedural problems before the main event.
Posted by: An Observation at September 28, 2016 07:10 PM (DjRJ+)
I'm worried this will be used by palestinians to sue the U.S. for its support of Israel.
Posted by: Deplorabe Male Logic at September 28, 2016 07:10 PM (lKyWE)
How is it outside of our sovereignty ... other than the usual 'men in black robes' problem?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 28, 2016 07:06 PM (V3IFq)
I did not say it "was" outside of our sovereignty. I said it is baby steps to centralized governance.
International law.
Centralized governance is the goal of the left.
Breaking down borders.
For years our corporations are being hammered by Europe and other countries via the UN, the International Court of Justice and the International Criminal Court systems in the Hague, etc.
I said it's a slippery slope.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 28, 2016 07:11 PM (qCMvj)
This doesn't smell right!
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki
How does anyone claim judgements in the US?
Do you think the House of Saud has zero point zero assets in the US?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 28, 2016 07:12 PM (V3IFq)
Yeah, McMaverick, you were a dope in your 20s, and you're still a dope in your 70s.
Posted by: Fritz at September 28, 2016 07:12 PM (HJX82)
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 28, 2016 07:12 PM (aEZpQ)
As much as I abhor the cocksucking-piece-of-shit in the White House, this limits the president's ability to conduct foreign policy, and that's not a good idea.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 28, 2016 07:12 PM (Zu3d9)
Then they say we have to make obeisance to the Saudis or they won't cooperate and tell us who the terrorists are among the Muslims attacking Western Europe and the US.
How about we stop letting the Muslims colonize us? Then we wouldn't have to go hat in hand to the House of Saud. And we should tell the Saudis they are no longer permitted to spread their poisonous terrorist religion in our prisons and elsewhere.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September
+1
Posted by: Bernette at September 28, 2016 07:13 PM (ru2SK)
Posted by: Guido911 at September 28, 2016 07:13 PM (Q0d1T)
He vowed, at that young age, he'd fight the bastards.
So, I just posted this below because I am seething and crying:
I am so FUCKING ANGRY I am close to tears.
The VA was late this month with our son's benefits, both cost of living stipend, and tuition.
We covered for him until his money came through.
He called his dad and said it STILL HASN'T COME THROUGH, and it's the same for most of the veterans he's going to school with.
He's called our U. S. Congressman, but in the meantime, we'll need to cover for another month's rent.
Fucking
Obama and this fucking administration!!!! Thank G-d we can afford to
help him. I feel so sorry for the vets who have no one to turn to.
I'm not sorry for my rant. This country can't even take care of those who put their lives on the line for the rest of us.
Two of our son's buddies killed themselves last year. Both of them were over-medicated by the VA. One of the boy's dad told our son he BEGGED the VA to take him off the drugs they had him on because they made him feel terrible.
They told him if he went off them on his own, they would no longer see him.
A week later he was found in a motel room dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
I CAN'T EVEN.
Is it too fucking much to take care of young men and women who went to serve after they saw the Towers fall?
*seething rage and incredible sadness*
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 07:14 PM (1ZOkK)
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 28, 2016 07:12 PM (aEZpQ)
Article in the link says House voted and it passed.
348-77
Posted by: tbodie at September 28, 2016 07:14 PM (1t1Md)
OPEC announces a cut in production.... one that had been opposed in the past by the House of Saud.
Oil is, and has been, a weaponized commodity for a generation.... we need to FRACKIN drill here... even if it is more expensive.
Posted by: Don Q. at September 28, 2016 07:15 PM (qf6WZ)
House voted 348-77 to override the veto.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 07:15 PM (/tuJf)
This doesn't smell right!
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki
How does anyone claim judgements in the US?
Do you think the House of Saud has zero point zero assets in the US?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 28, 2016 07:12 PM (V3IFq)
It's nearly impossible for a US corporation to collect what they are owed overseas unless it is a huge public case, and even then...
Lawyers know this. The party simply does not have to pay, so that it is forced to the Hague or wherever, and many just don't want to spend more money to get their money.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 28, 2016 07:16 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Yuimetal at September 28, 2016 07:16 PM (g6yUI)
Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at September 28, 2016 07:16 PM (9iR5/)
Posted by: Don Q.
In my opinion, I think we should raise taxes on oil imports and offset it with tax cuts elsewhere to increase domestic production.
The Saudis are trying to put American energy under so it can dictate price. And we're letting them
Oil is a national security issue. The less we depend on the Middle East, the better.
Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 07:19 PM (onbPc)
Should it come to the stage of bureaucrats n' lamp posts... I'd be happy to help you tie the hangman's knots.
D.C.s streets would like a cross between a macramé class on crack and a fiesta of politician piñatas.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 28, 2016 07:19 PM (v5iqM)
International law.
Centralized governance is the goal of the left.
Breaking down borders.
For years our corporations are being hammered by Europe and other countries via the UN, the International Court of Justice and the International Criminal Court systems in the Hague, etc.
I said it's a slippery slope.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
Still don't follow.
US citizens have been able to sue foreign companies for decades. How is this any different?
The ICJ has no jurisdiction in the US.
When did the ICC indict a US corporation for genocide, crimes against humanity, or war crimes?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 28, 2016 07:19 PM (V3IFq)
missed that: last i saw they were supposed to vote next week.
too bad i'm in for the day, or i'd go buy a lottery ticket.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 28, 2016 07:19 PM (aEZpQ)
BTW -- what's sticking in the pols craws about this is -- while they could pass the original bill on a voice bill, veto overrides have to be roll-call votes.
Like lifting a rock and you see things scuttling away from the light.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 28, 2016 07:20 PM (kdS6q)
Only they get this special treatment.
It really is disgusting how Saudi Arabia owns our government through K-Street.
If this pisses SA off, we did something right.
Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 07:22 PM (onbPc)
Posted by: Eromero at September 28, 2016 07:22 PM (zLDYs)
Yes. For certain values of "the Saudis."
The wife of the Saudi amabassador (and then head of their intelligence, or the other way around, I forget) - gave money to support at least some of the 9/11 terrorists. The Saudis have a lot of factions and fiefdoms within their government and tulling families.
Posted by: blaster at September 28, 2016 07:23 PM (ACqhm)
The Saudis are trying to put American energy under so it can dictate price. And we're letting them
Oil is a national security issue. The less we depend on the Middle East, the better.
Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 07:19 PM (onbPc)
I've advocated for years a North American Energy Pact.
US, Canada, and Mexico... close the market... tax the shit out of anything coming in until the cost is equivalent to domestic production.
Make Shale slightly profitable....
Everyone else has National Oil and Energy companies, that they use for National goals.... we are NOT playing in a free market when you have OPEC...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 28, 2016 07:23 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 28, 2016 07:12 PM (V3IFq)
It's nearly impossible for a US corporation to collect what they are owed overseas unless it is a huge public case, and even then...
Lawyers know this. The party simply does not have to pay, so that it is forced to the Hague or wherever, and many just don't want to spend more money to get their money.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
'overseas'? I wrote 'assets in the US.' You don't think the House of Saud has assets in the US?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 28, 2016 07:23 PM (V3IFq)
But I've been out all day & just started reading my emails.
This is shocking! Real Clear Politics changed Massachusetts from "Safely Clinton" to "Likely Clinton" with less that 3% between the two!
I'm sorry Ace.
Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 07:24 PM (sj3Ax)
They are sort of like Republicans accept everyone wears a dress.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 07:24 PM (/tuJf)
Also, shouldn't the "price" Saudi Arabia pays be something like oh, I don't know, us not being their "friends" anymore? Do we think this will make them less likely to harbor terrorists?
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 28, 2016 07:24 PM (kumBu)
Name and shame:
The 18 House Republicans and 59 Democrats who voted not to override the veto
A "Dear Colleague" letter by House Armed Services Chairman Mac Thornberry was circulated by public relations agents working on behalf of the Saudi embassy.
Other Republicans siding with Obama included Reps. Jason Chaffetz of Utah, Darrell Issa of California, Steve King of Iowa, David Jolly of Florida and Reid Ribble of Wisconsin.
Ah, old friends....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 28, 2016 07:24 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: An Observation at September 28, 2016 07:25 PM (DjRJ+)
Symbolism is important though, so good for the families who pushed for this for so long. I salute them.
Kaine is a disgrace. Obama is worse. The news media is worse than both put together.
Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at September 28, 2016 07:25 PM (NAv1Q)
Osama bin Laden was of the house of Saud...
A Saudi met with two of the highjackers not long before 9/11.... and most think he was a Saudi Intel type.... was here living off of money directly from the guy who soon became the Saud Intelligence Minister...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 28, 2016 07:25 PM (qf6WZ)
Figures that they would do this on a bill to enrich trial lawyers rather than something more generally meaningful.
Off topic & willowed:
Well, the Strategic Cheap Beer Reserve says I'm drinking Hamm's tonight.
Land of Sky Blue Waters FTW !
Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at September 28, 2016 07:25 PM (Z8DIA)
US, Canada, and Mexico... close the market... tax the shit out of anything coming in until the cost is equivalent to domestic production.
Make Shale slightly profitable....
Everyone else has National Oil and Energy companies, that they use for National goals.... we are NOT playing in a free market when you have OPEC...
Posted by: Don Q
Agreed.
Would do a hell of a lot more than nonsense like Ethanol.
I personally would GLADLY pay a few more dollars at the pump to support American energy.
Considering what we spend on national defense, it would be a drop in the bucket and would create and keep a lot of high paying jobs.
Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 07:26 PM (onbPc)
They are failing in their effort and are paying the price at home. I have to wonder if their true nemesis in this pumping war is Iran, not America,
Posted by: fluffy at September 28, 2016 07:26 PM (eiFlk)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 07:24 PM (/tuJf) "
The Saudi excuse is always "oh, those are just the bad apples in our family."
Sure seems like a great big tree that has yet to bear a single good apple.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 28, 2016 07:26 PM (kumBu)
Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at September 28, 2016 07:27 PM (9iR5/)
Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 07:24 PM (sj3Ax) "
It's a trap!
No money spent in Mass. Money spent in Mass is money that could be spent in VA, NC, OH, PA, MI, etc.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 28, 2016 07:28 PM (kumBu)
I like NRO, or most. Make fun of me, I know they're Never Trumpers, but they do have good writers.
http://tinyurl.com/hbah5ql
Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 07:29 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 07:29 PM (zc3Db)
Got kind of a pre-buzz going on. Thinking a 3d mule would be a useful addition.
Problem, I use half a bottle of the Ginger beer per mule, so it would be better for pairs, but I don't think that I can handle 2. And I don't want to have half a bottle of the ginger beer just hanging out.
The struggle is real, yo.
Posted by: blaster at September 28, 2016 07:29 PM (ACqhm)
Posted by: Bernette at September 28, 2016 07:30 PM (ru2SK)
They are failing in their effort and are paying the price at home. I have to wonder if their true nemesis in this pumping war is Iran, not America,
Posted by: fluffy
I remember almost within the day it was announced America had surpassed Saudi oil production, they went on this race to the bottom.
I'm sure there are other players they want to hurt, but they've been fairly upfront this is about putting marginal producers out of business.
Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 07:30 PM (onbPc)
Oil is the most globalized commodity in history. Even with the cartel, which has (of course) had marginal control over price for most of its history, the commodity is very efficiently priced.
"Dependence" is not an issue, given the abundance of the commodity. "Independence" WRT one supplier yields zero difference in strategic considerations of our interests, esp. in the MidEast. This was true even before the global oil market developed the way it has since '73, and it's especially true given unconventional recovery methods and the advances in deep ocean recovery.
Abundance should be the only policy - which amounts to "get out of the way" in terms of domestic production.
Actual market economics is much beloved of so many, on paper, but is almost unheard of when spitballing smart approaches to actual policy questions.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 28, 2016 07:30 PM (QDnY+)
The struggle is real, yo.
Posted by: blaster at September 28, 2016 07:29 PM (ACqhm)
Have 2, but drink slow......
Posted by: Don Q. at September 28, 2016 07:30 PM (qf6WZ)
>>I personally would GLADLY pay a few more dollars at the pump to support American energy.
The cost of Norway is dotted with offshore oil rigs, mostly run by the majority state owned oil company, STATOIL. Last time I was there gas was the equivalent of $10 a gallon.
That's a lot of glad.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 07:30 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: The Maldives at September 28, 2016 07:30 PM (IqV8l)
This is shocking! Real Clear Politics changed Massachusetts from "Safely Clinton" to "Likely Clinton" with less that 3% between the two!
Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 07:24 PM (sj3Ax)
That's yuge.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 28, 2016 07:31 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: The Maldives at September 28, 2016 07:30 PM (IqV8l) "
Sue the SCOAMF. He promised to lower the oceans and didn't deliver.
You could probably get Kiribati to co-file the suit with you.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 28, 2016 07:33 PM (kumBu)
Posted by: The Maldives at September 28, 2016 07:30 PM (IqV8l)
Shut up. Barky gave you to Argentina. You'd better learn some Spanish.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 07:33 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Overeducated Shithead at September 28, 2016 07:34 PM (BO/km)
WRKO strongest Boston am radio station dumped Rush in June 2015, Levin a few months later.
New staton is fine at my house, but 15-20 miles west or south & it fades. Rubio for one & a few others had ads during January probably hoping to reach NH voters. That was waste of $.
There is a Make Massachusetts Great Again group trying to get people to vote Trump.
Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 07:35 PM (sj3Ax)
I saw Trump supporters waving to commuters from an overpass tonight.
It could be a big psychological boost for Trump to hold a big rally in here Massachusetts.
Posted by: fluffy at September 28, 2016 07:36 PM (eiFlk)
Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at September 28, 2016 07:25 PM (NAv1Q) "
Yeah, that was my thought too. The case of Smith v. Saudi Arabia. Smith wins. How does he collect on the judgment? Do they seize the assets of Saudi companies that have holdings in America?
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 28, 2016 07:36 PM (kumBu)
Major target of Saudi pricing policy last few years had been the common Persian enemy.
Which was pretty effective until ..... the US committed the unbelievable blunder of rescuing the enemy regime in Tehran.
An unconventional recovery operation propped up by price manipulation (taxes) is just as irrational and impoverishing as the most idiotic windmill or solar plant.
Oil is abundant, and the supply curve is very responsive to price, which means if we need more domestic production, we'll get it, and very quickly.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 28, 2016 07:36 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Overeducated Shithead at September 28, 2016 07:34 PM (BO/km)
And what do you think is used to make these fantastic new things?
Posted by: tbodie at September 28, 2016 07:36 PM (1t1Md)
Expect the Saudi's to divest properties, protect assets they can and move cash off shore.
That's the rub. Economic. It's always the rub.
Posted by: Simplemind at September 28, 2016 07:37 PM (1/dEZ)
I truly wish we gave a shit about our young vets who are being called on over and over again.
Our son is fortunate. We can pay for another month's rent the VA is neglecting to pay. His vet buddies on campus are not so fortunate.
I'm exhausted.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 07:38 PM (1ZOkK)
Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 07:38 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: DaveA at September 28, 2016 07:38 PM (8J/Te)
Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 07:35 PM (sj3Ax) "
I'm sure, and Trump getting 46 or 47% of the vote in MA would be amazing, but like I said, it's a trap. A Republican isn't winning MA. Don't divert funds from key swing states to tilt at the Bostonian Windmill.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 28, 2016 07:39 PM (kumBu)
Posted by: Overeducated Shithead at September 28, 2016 07:39 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2016 07:40 PM (4iNxp)
Our ability to out-produce them establishes a new ceiling. They have to keep price below that level, otherwise we move back into production again.
The days of $150/bbl oil are essentially over, and the ceiling depends on how low our advancing technology can push it. It'll only get lower as time goes on, even if we aren't actively producing.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 28, 2016 07:40 PM (uz/Pv)
I truly wish we gave a shit about our young vets who are being called on over and over again.
Our son is fortunate. We can pay for another month's rent the VA is neglecting to pay. His vet buddies on campus are not so fortunate.
I'm exhausted.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 07:38 PM (1ZOkK)
My son is using GI Bill too, same thing happened to him. We can afford to support him again this month, but it's BS. He knows some guys who are living in vans because it's not reliable enough to make rent at the first of every month. Van living is kinda hip now, so they are enjoying it, but none have kids.
Posted by: Bernette at September 28, 2016 07:40 PM (ru2SK)
Posted by: Overeducated Shithead at September 28, 2016 07:39 PM (BO/km)
Made me laugh, that one did.
Posted by: tbodie at September 28, 2016 07:41 PM (1t1Md)
Posted by: DaveA at September 28, 2016 07:38 PM (8J/Te) "
Unfortunately, like a Yankees/Red Sox game, the only way for both to lose is SMOD. (Or the Yellowstone Caldera!)
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 28, 2016 07:41 PM (kumBu)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 28, 2016 07:42 PM (J+eG2)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 28, 2016 07:40 PM (uz/Pv)
Some shale producers are claiming they can make money at $35/bbl. If true, that is yuuuuge.
Posted by: tbodie at September 28, 2016 07:42 PM (1t1Md)
Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2016 07:43 PM (4iNxp)
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 28, 2016 07:43 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 28, 2016 07:43 PM (r1fLd)
I hate that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2016 07:44 PM (Ozsfq)
Unless the elk are talking there's nobody left to talk.
Posted by: DaveA at September 28, 2016 07:44 PM (8J/Te)
I truly wish we gave a shit about our young vets who are being called on over and over again.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 07:38 PM (1ZOkK)
Nothing to apologize for, Jane. It's criminal how the government has thrown away the sacrifices of the patriots who answered the call after 9/11. Hell isn't hot enough for the betrayers.
And who in their right mind would join up now, knowing what happened?
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 28, 2016 07:44 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at September 28, 2016 07:44 PM (9iR5/)
My son is using GI Bill too, same thing happened
to him. We can afford to support him again this month, but it's BS. He
knows some guys who are living in vans because it's not reliable enough
to make rent at the first of every month. Van living is kinda hip now,
so they are enjoying it, but none have kids.
Posted by: Bernette at September 28, 2016 07:40 PM (ru2SK)
Our son knows student vets living in their vehicles. He's starting a campus organization to recognize them and look at building affordable housing on campus (the university is looking to build frat and sorority houses on campus).
I feel like I'm crying out to an empty space, even here.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 07:44 PM (1ZOkK)
Two Points : The Saudi Government, as a government, as government policy, might not have been directly involved.
But the people who hold positions of authority within the Saudi Government might have easily, or indirectly been involved.
I don't know about the rules for legal action against a government, trying to bring a government into court. That is the whole point about sovereignty and diplomacy.
This is above my pay grade. This is why we have Presidents, and if the president we have isn't doing his job, then we need a new president.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 28, 2016 07:45 PM (vhSZs)
Posted by: Tommy Vietor at September 28, 2016 07:45 PM (g6yUI)
Yup.
To deafening silence.
Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at September 28, 2016 07:45 PM (Z8DIA)
Imagine the World of Shit we'd be in if not for this.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 28, 2016 07:46 PM (r1fLd)
I cannot copy & paste on my iPad, forgive me if i misspelled your name.
That's a frigging disgrace!
Jane,
Same too!
I'll bet those Syrian adult male refugees are receiving better treatment!
Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 07:46 PM (sj3Ax)
Yup.
To deafening silence.
Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at September 28, 2016
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There must be MASSIVE bribery involved
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 28, 2016 07:47 PM (Om16U)
Running ads over northern Massachusetts will reach southern Maine and New Hampshire (maybe even Vermont), and those voters do matter.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 07:47 PM (6FqZa)
US, Canada, and Mexico... close the market... tax the shit out of anything coming in until the cost is equivalent to domestic production.
Make Shale slightly profitable....
Everyone else has National Oil and Energy companies, that they use for National goals.... we are NOT playing in a free market when you have OPEC...
Posted by: Don Q
Agreed.
Would do a hell of a lot more than nonsense like Ethanol.
I personally would GLADLY pay a few more dollars at the pump to support American energy.
Considering what we spend on national defense, it would be a drop in the bucket and would create and keep a lot of high paying jobs.
Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 07:26 PM (onbPc)
I wanted that since 9/11. Instead we got Bush and Condi telling us how Islam is the ROP and lots of kiss you face with Sauds, and a war in Iraq. And now in Libya & Syria & Yemen. Yeah, those Saudis are wonderful allies.
Posted by: Bernette at September 28, 2016 07:47 PM (ru2SK)
Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at September 28, 2016 07:44 PM (9iR5/)
One thing about the oilfield, they will figure shit out. Yes, in the early days they needed the $65 price. Not all fields can be profitable at $35, but the cost of producing in fields that are still active is coming down.
Posted by: tbodie at September 28, 2016 07:47 PM (1t1Md)
But the fact she's only up 5 in a state that hasn't elected a Republican to a statewide office in over 10 years is telling. I think.
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 07:47 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 28, 2016 07:43 PM (r1fLd) "
Um, hello? I own the internet, so I think I should get some say in this.
Posted by: Al Gore, chakra and climate master at September 28, 2016 07:48 PM (kumBu)
*Breaks things*
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 28, 2016 07:48 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 07:48 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 07:48 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Lame Duck Obama at September 28, 2016 07:48 PM (HJX82)
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 07:48 PM (1ZOkK)
Posted by: Garry Johnsen at September 28, 2016 07:48 PM (Tyii7)
It's
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 07:48 PM (Y2G1A)
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 28, 2016 07:50 PM (r1fLd)
Where exactly is this House of Maude located?
Channel 254 on Comcast, but only after 10:00 pm
Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at September 28, 2016 07:50 PM (9iR5/)
Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2016 07:50 PM (4iNxp)
That's a lot of glad.
Posted by: JackStraw
But that has nothing to do with oil import tariffs, it's just a bunch of stupid taxes for the greenies to feel good about.
Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 07:50 PM (onbPc)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 07:47 PM (6FqZa) "
That's fine - I'm just saying don't focus campaign money on Boston.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 28, 2016 07:50 PM (kumBu)
Explains the source of the Benghazi youtube video fiction
https://tinyurl.com/z7bgqtx
Posted by: USA at September 28, 2016 07:50 PM (FVvi+)
And who in their right mind would join up now, knowing what happened?
Posted by: rickl the deplorable
Setting the stage for Hillary to bring back the draft.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 07:50 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Garry Johnsen at September 28, 2016 07:51 PM (Tyii7)
I don't support this bill. I think Obama knew he would be overruled by his buddies in Congress, so he went against the grain. good cop bad cop
This will not bode well for America in the future. This is just another step towards a centralized legal system, outside of our sovereignty.
A windfall for lawyers. No way the victims will "win."
This will bite us back in the future.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 28, 2016 07:00 PM (qCMvj)
Obama is saying nearly the same thing in a CNN article. That our soldiers overseas could end up doing something that results in lawsuits against the U.S.
I don't want to agree with Obama so I'll agree with you instead.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 28, 2016 07:51 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 07:48 PM (6FqZa)
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LOL!! Yes indeed, it's a "red" state.
Posted by: Democrats Who Count The Votes at September 28, 2016 07:51 PM (1JAxC)
The cost of Norway is dotted with offshore oil rigs, mostly run by the majority state owned oil company, STATOIL.
Aren't the Chinese muscling in on that action in the North Sea? I know that they're drilling 90 miles off our coast with Cuban compliance.
Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at September 28, 2016 07:52 PM (9iR5/)
I'm not sure we should have invaded Saudi Arabia, but we damn sure shouldn't have played kissy face with them. The whole "best buddies" routine we do with a country that produced a majority of the 9/11 hijackers and harbors/funds countless other terrorists is and always has been sickening.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 28, 2016 07:52 PM (kumBu)
They are a Kingdom, not a modern type of government...
The country is literally OWNED by the House of Saud...
Every major player in Government is appointed by the King, who is the head of the House.
Thus, if an Official, who was appointed by the House of Saud's King, did help in 9/11, and the House itself did not hold them accountable... then yes, they are complicit at this point and should be punished...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 28, 2016 07:52 PM (qf6WZ)
The worst attack in American history, but we simply can't let the Americans know the truth about Saudi Arabia. They couldn't handle it, too risky
But they can damn sure handle a huge expensive war in Iraq.
It's both parties that are at fault, and the appeal for an outsider is clear.
Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 07:53 PM (onbPc)
Posted by: Everybody Else at September 28, 2016 07:53 PM (iWW0H)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 28, 2016 07:53 PM (iWW0H)
http://tinyurl.com/j8w73nf
Posted by: MTF at September 28, 2016 07:54 PM (jHngC)
Posted by: Everybody Else
But Harry Reid and Obama went down with the ship for it.
What does that tell you?
Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 07:54 PM (onbPc)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 07:54 PM (apNqt)
Posted by: freaked at September 28, 2016 07:54 PM (BO/km)
This is Stupid Leadership all the way around.
obama may be on the "right" side of this particular but for the wrong reasons. He also may be saying the right reasons, but those aren't really the real reasons he opposes this.
We have NO leadership in this country anymore.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 07:54 PM (Y2G1A)
Posted by: freaked at September 28, 2016 07:54 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Garry Johnsen at September 28, 2016 07:55 PM (Tyii7)
But that has nothing to do with oil import tariffs, it's just a bunch of stupid taxes for the greenies to feel good about.
Posted by: Maritime
Somebody has to pay for those ScandiGoodies
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 07:55 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at September 28, 2016 07:55 PM (9iR5/)
On the other hand if Ryan, McConnell, McCain and Pelosi are for it, it has to be awful.
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 07:55 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 07:50 PM (IqV8l) "
We can't afford a draft - we might lose ace, since as an almost-29-year-old he might get drafted.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 28, 2016 07:55 PM (kumBu)
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 07:55 PM (Y2G1A)
Posted by: blaster at September 28, 2016 07:55 PM (ACqhm)
You gotta remember the "reasonable prosecutor" clause...........
Posted by: zombie Vince Foster at September 28, 2016 07:56 PM (1t1Md)
It has to do with politicians will always find ways to tax the shit out of gas all over the world. We are actually one of the cheapest places to buy gas in the world.
Well Venezuela was cheaper but food was unaffordable.
I'm not a fan of adding more regulations, more taxes, more cost. Just the opposite. Get politicians out of the business of micro-managing business. We've got plenty of oil but we are being prohibited from building new refineries or even going after a ton of the oil because of government regulations.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 07:56 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Nick Danger,Third Eye at September 28, 2016 07:56 PM (7zrkK)
The problem is, because its a kingdom, and because the king has like 82 princes and 400 other in-laws, factions are all over the place. Some of the princes are super radical, some are secular as hell. Some are more powerful than others. Its not just one solid block of agreement over there.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 28, 2016 07:56 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: ifreaked at September 28, 2016 07:56 PM (BO/km)
Bluer than Mass, I suspect. Those industrial towns are on welfare.
Posted by: fluffy at September 28, 2016 07:56 PM (eiFlk)
Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 07:54 PM (onbPc)
Please never say the words Obama and went down together in a sentence again. I have a very sensitive stomach.
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 07:57 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 07:57 PM (Y2G1A)
Posted by: Nick Danger,Third Eye at September 28, 2016 07:58 PM (7zrkK)
And anytime someone is directly implicated, it's always a 'bad apple' or 'rogue' member of the family. Like any good mob family, the House of Saud has lots of buffers.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 28, 2016 07:59 PM (kumBu)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 07:59 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: President Bitchy Girl at September 28, 2016 07:59 PM (qJhUV)
You gotta remember the "reasonable prosecutor" clause...........
Posted by: zombie Vince Foster at September 28, 2016 07:56 PM (1t1Md)
Lets see..... so sharing classified material with people with no security clearance is OK.
Moving Classified material from classified to unsecure systems is OK.
Uh.... isn't that what Eric Snowden did???
ergo, according to Comey, he won't be prosecuted...
oh... and I'm sure David Petraeus is a bit surprised too....
Posted by: Don Q. at September 28, 2016 07:59 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 07:59 PM (6FqZa)
You say that like its a bad thing.
Posted by: blaster at September 28, 2016 08:00 PM (ACqhm)
Ace, buddy, you crack me up.
Posted by: centralscrutinizer at September 28, 2016 08:00 PM (vI+F1)
*seething rage and incredible sadness*
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 07:14 PM (1ZOkK)
You're asking your enemies to take care of your son and other fine fighting men and women.
Simple as that.
Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 28, 2016 08:00 PM (drrsd)
Stunning, just stunning. Comey is completely compromised. Everyone here should watch the entire thing.
Posted by: Pam at September 28, 2016 08:00 PM (cF0hS)
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 28, 2016 07:50 PM (r1fLd)
No. Stop spreading that ridiculous false argument. No one ever said that iraq caused 9/11. What happened was that after 9/11 we reassessed the threats posed to us (since we had been terribly wrong about them before) and the threat from iraq clearly rose above our threshhold, so saddam had to go.
But you don't care about the truth, do you?
Saudi Arabia had to be dealt with eventually, but of the three major threats from the arab/persian/muslim world - the sunni, shiiite, and secular threats, the easiest and most important at the time was the secular threat from saddam - not to mention the fact that he was technically at war with us and had been for a decade - and that once in iraq the ability to deal with the other two major threats from the APM world was that much easier.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 08:01 PM (zc3Db)
They figured, what the hell? Obama won't be around in a few months anyway
Posted by: Hank at September 28, 2016 08:01 PM (6rypb)
Stunning, just stunning. Comey is completely compromised. Everyone here should watch the entire thing.
But Trump insulted a fat latina murder accomplice!!!
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:02 PM (Y2G1A)
Posted by: zombie Vince Foster at September 28, 2016 07:56 PM (1t1Md)
If I have to explain a sock, it was a fail.
Posted by: zombie Vince Foster at September 28, 2016 08:02 PM (1t1Md)
Posted by: Garry Johnsen at September 28, 2016 08:02 PM (Tyii7)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 08:02 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 28, 2016 07:56 PM (39g3+)
Concur... but does that mean an individual who helped with 9/11 skates? Because of internal Saudi politics and our own governments fecklessness...
yes.... fecklessness.... having no feck...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 28, 2016 08:03 PM (qf6WZ)
Any suggestions? I have to pay bills & get blood tests tomorrow, but it's cold & rainy & no roses for me for few days.
Who should we call? I'll call my D Congressman here. I'm almost friends with his aide that covers my area of district.
Is there another federal agency we should call?
My older brother was drafted when I was 9-10 years old & I was afraid he'd be killed in Vietnam. He's 10 1/2 years older than I am & is very pleased with VA treatment.
They sent him to Germany.
If I forget to take my American Flag in or it suddenly rains he will do it but reminds me if I'm going to leave out all night it must be lit. That w/b 4 lights on all night.
Carolthewiz@gmail.com if you know someone to call.
It pisses me off!
Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 08:03 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 28, 2016 08:03 PM (39g3+)
Check the Rantburg back pages for elk-hunting accidents.
Anyone who was guilty and touchable is long gone.
Posted by: DaveA at September 28, 2016 08:03 PM (8J/Te)
Posted by: Eromero at September 28, 2016 08:03 PM (zLDYs)
So Howard Dean and Harry Reid can say any ridiculous thing they want and the Media will just run with it.
What Howard Dean said was actually very Trump-ish, no? It was dumb. It was baseless. It was childish. And it was wholly fabricated.
But CNN actually spent several segments today analyzing it!
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:04 PM (Y2G1A)
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Hold on a second. So the country that sent us 15 of the 19 hijackers and OBL and who knows how many millions towards the cause.....was not the #1 threat post 9/11? But the country that didn't really do jack shit except have a leader who liked to talk trash was?
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:05 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: Yuimetal at September 28, 2016 08:05 PM (g6yUI)
... the same thing Howard Dean has been saying since his 2004 bid, which is "yeeeagh". Primal scream nonsense is what Dean is all about. He's the guy who needs a drug test.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 08:06 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 28, 2016 08:06 PM (vRd8t)
Remember Ferguson, and the "Ferguson Effect", wherein cops police less and avoid getting abused by prosecutors and/or the Justice Department?
Guess what happens when the Ferguson Effect comes into play in the real world (as opposed to Vox World). Specifically, guess what happened to Ferguson.
http://tinyurl.com/j2hvc7j
Posted by: MTF at September 28, 2016 08:07 PM (jHngC)
But CNN actually spent several segments today analyzing it!
Go with what you know...........
Posted by: tbodie at September 28, 2016 08:07 PM (1t1Md)
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:07 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:05 PM (1JAxC)
You must have been in a coma for the 90s.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 08:08 PM (zc3Db)
Next round we should seize the Kabbah and hold a continuous pig roast and machine gun fest on top of it.
Then go for the Tridents.
Posted by: DaveA at September 28, 2016 08:08 PM (8J/Te)
Neverskankles
Sadam didnt just talk trash. We never left Iraq after Gulf War 1 and he never stopped shooting at us
Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 08:08 PM (apNqt)
So the country that sent us 15 of the 19 hijackers
Just like we didn't go to war with Russia or Cuba when JFK was shot in Dallas.
Everybody looked into the abyss and lost their nerve.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 28, 2016 08:08 PM (vhSZs)
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:05 PM (1JAxC)
You must have been in a coma for the 90s.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 08:08 PM (zc3Db)
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OK aside from trash talking, what exactly did Saddam do post Gulf War 1 that posed a threat to the US.
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:09 PM (1JAxC)
You know what else was "big news" today?
Clarissa, who appreantly knows less than Jon Snow, endorsed Gary Johnson.
The "news" people told me this was big because Melissa Joan Hart is a big-time Millenial. That idiot Mary Katherine Ham agreed with this, btw, today on CNN.
Actually, Melissa Joan Hart is of the forgotten Generation Y cohort. And she's a nobody. And she's stupid.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:09 PM (Y2G1A)
JFK was shot by a loser whom neither Russia nor even Castro, fanatic that he was, wanted anything to do with.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 08:09 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 08:10 PM (6FqZa)
So he is arguing against defeating ISIS?
Meanwhile, Scott Adams is arguing that what is going to happen is a genocide that everyone will politely ignore....
Posted by: blaster at September 28, 2016 08:10 PM (ACqhm)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 08:11 PM (mktbP)
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:11 PM (Y2G1A)
Ever wonder why it used to be simply called "Arabia" and yet is now called "Saudi Arabia"? Because a machiavellian clan known as the House of Saud outmaneuvered its rivals to claim the kingship about a century ago. But what right do they have other than being the most brutal and the sneakiest? None.
The equivalent would be here officially renaming the country The Clintonian States of America.
Not only do other clans still claim legitimacy, but of course fundamentalists want to wipe away the tribal structure and establish a theocracy with a Caliph in charge.
Democracy, however? Hahahahaha - zero chance. The very concept has almost no supporters.
This is what is meant by the term "Islamofascism" -- it actually means that in Muslim countries, the government inevitably returns to totalitarianism -- it is the irradicable nature of Muslim society.
Posted by: zombie at September 28, 2016 08:11 PM (jBuUi)
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That is the same argument we are having here. Did the government of Saudi Arabia have anything to do with 9/11 or was it a couple of fanatical princes and their fanatical belief in Islam.
Castro, by the way, wanted Russia to Nuke the US.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 28, 2016 08:12 PM (vhSZs)
Well, Mary Ham is a big wig at the Federalist, who are a bunch of Shits.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:12 PM (Y2G1A)
Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2016 07:50 PM (4iNxp)
Wait, what? Where did you get that from?
Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 28, 2016 08:13 PM (drrsd)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 08:11 PM (mktbP)
You mean the ones who were flying over his country???
Posted by: Don Q. at September 28, 2016 08:13 PM (qf6WZ)
Wasn't he one of the terrorists Obama traded for Bergdahl? Or is he another one that was released?
Posted by: Hank at September 28, 2016 08:13 PM (6rypb)
Wouldn't it be easier to "colonize" the Moon instead of Mars?
Elon Musk has yet to even build a ship to take people to Mars and he wants to colonize it?
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:14 PM (Y2G1A)
Posted by: IC at September 28, 2016 08:14 PM (vBpiM)
Instead we let Europe and the Leftists mau mau us into playing pattycake.
Posted by: blaster at September 28, 2016 08:14 PM (ACqhm)
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:09 PM (1JAxC)
When saddam intentionally dumped tens of millions of barrels of oil into the gulf and lit just about every oil well in Kuwait on fire, all as he was being allowed to retreat in the worst military beating in all of human history, it was clear to everyone with at least half a brain (don't look in the mirror) that he could not be allowed to remain in control of one of the most strategically sensitive areas of the world. That was more than enough and 9/11 forced a reassessment of that.
As to after the Gulf War, saddam broke every cease fire agreement and was actively at war with us in that he was shooting at us every day. He also kicked the UN dipshits out and made iraq a black hole of information that no one had any idea about what exactly was going on.
Those threats could not stand unattended after 9/11. Only a total idiot would fail to understand that.
You benefit from saddam being gone and then act as if he was never a threat. It's almost laughable.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 08:14 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: DC shitweasels moving in unison like a giant school of anchovies at September 28, 2016 08:15 PM (yavIa)
The ones we were flying over basically Free Kurdistan
Where the oil was. Where isis is now
Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 08:15 PM (lRGtQ)
Rage all you want to! That's apparently what we must do to have Vets taken care of.
I've already posted I'm pissed. I'm great & little, but I'm a big bully!
My mother had Alzheimer's & I took that unpaid, thankless, legal guardian job seriously. I don't weigh 100.
Something happened at POS nursing home, then we had to go by ambulance to genius foot wood doctor (who saved her leg from amputation) & I showed nurses there problem & it was poor quality healthcare in home.
I had to go to ER, by ambulance with mother & riding backwards & with bad neck wasn't good & quite painful for me.
At ER nurse that checked her in asked me if I had problem with her. I told her I'd never met her & why would she think that? She told me I looked ready to punch her. I wanted to punch someone else, but not that ER nurse.
Jane,
Cry tonight.
Tomorrow be pissed off!
Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 08:16 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 08:16 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Zombie Saddam at September 28, 2016 08:17 PM (Tyii7)
The "news" people told me this was big because Melissa Joan Hart is a big-time Millenial. That idiot Mary Katherine Ham agreed with this, btw, today on CNN.
Actually, Melissa Joan Hart is of the forgotten Generation Y cohort. And she's a nobody. And she's stupid.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:09 PM (Y2G1A)
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She supported Romney and got a lot of shit for it, cuz you know racist evil Reich winger and stuff. So her supporting Aleppo Johnson is big news because of it. The whole "moderate" Republicans won't vote for Trump meme.
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:17 PM (1JAxC)
Technically, there was no post Gulf War 1. We were in a state of cease fire which placed a number of severe sanctions on Iraq almost all of which they violated repeatedly. The most problematic was firing on our planes who were enforcing a no-fly zone. This alone was enough to resume the fighting.
But the key was Iraq's refusal to submit to the UN weapons inspectors inspections. This was kind of a big deal for a country that was constantly in search of nukes. They were also harboring and supporting terrorists in Israel.
In a post 9/11 world where we rightfully believed we were the target for more attacks allowing a country like Iraq to flaunt the sanctions, support terrorists and pursue nukes would have been a dereliction of duty.
But we live in stupid times so we decided to win the war and lose the peace.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 08:17 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Hank at September 28, 2016 08:18 PM (6rypb)
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:09 PM (1JAxC)
Kicked out inspectorsShot at our planesAnd I'm pretty sure that airplane they found near a training ground wasn't for kindergarten tours.
Posted by: Tami - Powering through being a Deplorable. at September 28, 2016 08:18 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: Eromero at September 28, 2016 08:18 PM (zLDYs)
We're more than able to pay for a second month's rent and expenses.
If you read me up-thread, he has vet friends living in their vehicles while trying to attend college.
FUCK the special snowflakes. All of them.
Son is working on a fundraiser on campus to help the homeless vets get housing.
Sadly, the university is focused on Frat and Sorority new housing.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 08:18 PM (1ZOkK)
As to after the Gulf War, saddam broke every cease fire agreement and was actively at war with us in that he was shooting at us every day. He also kicked the UN dipshits out and made iraq a black hole of information that no one had any idea about what exactly was going on.
Those threats could not stand unattended after 9/11. Only a total idiot would fail to understand that.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 08:14 PM (zc3Db)
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LOL!! Wait you're actually serious with this shit? Whatevs. Believe what you will.
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:19 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 08:17 PM (/tuJf)
You mean.... like IRAN has?
Posted by: Don Q. at September 28, 2016 08:19 PM (qf6WZ)
This site's software gets more and more.....interesting.
Posted by: Tami - Powering through being a Deplorable. at September 28, 2016 08:19 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 08:17 PM (/tuJf)
Well said
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2016 08:19 PM (Ozsfq)
Yes, exactly. And wouldn't it be handy to have thousands of our troops in bases in Iraq, right next to Iran, rather than turning it over to ISIS?
Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 08:20 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: ifreaked at September 28, 2016 08:22 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:14 PM (Y2G1A)
Elon Musk is a giant huckster imo.
People give him yuge amounts of money which he uses to spin dreams and get rich.
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 28, 2016 08:22 PM (Om16U)
My son wears a black bracelet on his wrist, in memory of his battle buddy who killed himself two years ago, when the VA over-medicated him and told him if he went off the meds, they wouldn't cover him anymore.
His family found him dead in a motel room.
Son still stays in touch with the dad, who is still beyond grief-stricken.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 08:22 PM (1ZOkK)
Posted by: t-bird at September 28, 2016 08:22 PM (MvNvG)
Posted by: Hank at September 28, 2016 08:18 PM (6rypb)
Yup.... there was already an insurrection going on in Iraq at that point... all we had to do was roll in...
And we had plans to do exactly that....
When we were told to stop, it came as a complete surprise to us....
but the Prezzy and Colin Powell were so afraid of the media, that we stopped....
result... Saddam in power a few more years, he massacred the rebellion... Kurd's are still fighting... and that area of the world still a mess...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 28, 2016 08:22 PM (qf6WZ)
As effed up as Trump's "we shoulda taken their oil" thing sounds, it is out of the box thinking.
Posted by: blaster at September 28, 2016 08:22 PM (ACqhm)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at September 28, 2016 08:22 PM (xInes)
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:23 PM (1JAxC)
240 If you ask me, they should have kept the tanks rolling into Iraq
during Desert Storm. Bush 1 should have never taken his foot off the
gas.
Posted by: Hank at September 28, 2016 08:18 PM (6rypb)
Yup.... there was already an insurrection going on in Iraq at that point... all we had to do was roll in...
And we had plans to do exactly that....
When we were told to stop, it came as a complete surprise to us....
but the Prezzy and Colin Powell were so afraid of the media, that we stopped....
result... Saddam in power a few more years, he massacred the
rebellion... Kurd's are still fighting... and that area of the world
still a mess...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 28, 2016 08:22 PM (qf6WZ)
Pappy Bush listened to the UN.
Posted by: Tami - Powering through being a Deplorable. at September 28, 2016 08:23 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: Eromero at September 28, 2016 08:18 PM (zLDYs)
It's not just islam. The arab terrorism of the 20th century had little to do with islam. Mostly, they were Soviet clients and it was an arab thing. It was pan-arabism. It was only after the Soviets fell (and iran was rising) that the arabs had to go find some new sponsors for their anti-civilizational war and they honed in on the islamic aspect, realizing that they had the rest of the islamic world to now bring into the fight against everything that's decent and civilized..
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 08:24 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Fritz at September 28, 2016 08:24 PM (HJX82)
Fuck the Bushs, all of them. Every. Single. One.
Entitled assholes.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 08:25 PM (1ZOkK)
"Mr. Trump, when will you disclaim the Killer Clown Gang endorsement and condemn their multi-state fear rampage?"
Posted by: MTF at September 28, 2016 08:25 PM (jHngC)
rebellion... Kurd's are still fighting... and that area of the world
still a mess...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 28, 2016 08:22 PM (qf6WZ)
Pappy Bush listened to the UN.
Posted by: Tami - Powering through being a Deplorable. at September 28, 2016 08:23 PM (Enq6K)
On Colin Powell's advise
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2016 08:25 PM (Ozsfq)
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:25 PM (Y2G1A)
And wouldn't it be handy to have thousands of our troops in bases in Iraq, right next to Iran, rather than turning it over to ISIS?
Posted by: JackStraw
Where would they come from?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 08:25 PM (IqV8l)
I mentioned last week how my sister helped to organize a drive/fundraiser to help homeless vets here in Milwaukee.
Nobody showed up.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at September 28, 2016 08:26 PM (P8951)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2016 08:25 PM (Ozsfq)
That's Hillary's line.
Posted by: Tami - Powering through being a Deplorable. at September 28, 2016 08:26 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 08:26 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 08:25 PM (IqV8l)
Korea.
Posted by: blaster at September 28, 2016 08:26 PM (ACqhm)
Posted by: eleven at September 28, 2016 08:26 PM (qUNWi)
I met a guy, years ago, said he was an Iraqi National, a Captain in the Iragi Army during the those years. He said the exact same think you just posted. Said he hated Bush for leaving him and his friends hanging.
Last time I saw him he was driving a gasoline tanker up in Wisconsin. Spoke perfect English. I had no way to verify his story.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 28, 2016 08:27 PM (vhSZs)
JEEBUS. What the hell???? Where is the outrage against the VA????
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 08:27 PM (1ZOkK)
"Mr. Trump, when will you disclaim the Killer Clown Gang endorsement and condemn their multi-state fear rampage?"
Posted by: MTF
The Trump hits Chuckie in the face with a pie.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 08:27 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Hank"
One more thing we can thank Colin Powell for ....
Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at September 28, 2016 08:27 PM (Z8DIA)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 28, 2016 08:27 PM (6hpJz)
Posted by: Tami - Powering through being a Deplorable. at September 28, 2016 08:23 PM (Enq6K)
He listened to that unqualified, lowlife, despicable, back-stabbing, retarded piece of shit Powell.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 08:27 PM (zc3Db)
Not nearly as handy as letting the people unMullah the country but you know...
This too is the story of Obama.
Posted by: DaveA at September 28, 2016 08:28 PM (8J/Te)
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Jane, out of pure embarrassment for my I broke down fifteen minutes ago and emailed my Congressman about this, not that anyone will read it or care a whit if they do.
Personally, I think the only cure is hot tar, rope, and streetlamps but lets just keep that to ourselves.
Posted by: MTF at September 28, 2016 08:28 PM (jHngC)
JEEBUS. What the hell???? Where is the outrage against the VA????
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 08:27 PM (1ZOkK)
____
Jesus fucking Christ, enough with this. An overweight murdering Latina was insulted by Trump 20 years ago. #priorities
Posted by: MSM at September 28, 2016 08:28 PM (1JAxC)
1. still hawt asf
2. pregnant
3. was doing drugs apparently, quit last year
4. didn't join #nevertrump just bc her boy Rubio lost, defends Trump's supporters
All is well with the world.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 08:29 PM (6FqZa)
His thing on the ME has been build a wall around it, cut off the internet and send the reporters home, then send in the killer robots.
Which, if you think about it, doesn't sound so awful....
Posted by: blaster at September 28, 2016 08:30 PM (ACqhm)
fifteen minutes ago and emailed my Congressman about this, not that
anyone will read it or care a whit if they do.
Personally, I think the only cure is hot tar, rope, and streetlamps but lets just keep that to ourselves.
Posted by: MTF at September 28, 2016 08:28 PM (jHngC)
THANK YOU so much. Our son has called our U. S. Congressman, and so have we. Not that it will do a damned bit of good.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 08:30 PM (1ZOkK)
I always though he was a pretty good guy.
Posted by: Overeducated Shithead at September 28, 2016 08:30 PM (BO/km)
*makes "toast" gesture with glass*
To Ace and the Horde, long life and prosperity !
Confusion to our enemies !
*tosses back shot*
Aaahhhh !
Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at September 28, 2016 08:30 PM (Z8DIA)
>This site's software gets more and more.....interesting.
I remember a time when a guy had to add extra spaces between the words if dared touch the 'Delete' key.
Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2016 08:30 PM (J82wy)
Posted by: eleven at September 28, 2016 08:31 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 08:11 PM (mktbP)
Well, in all fairness, we were flying over their territory. Did anybody expect otherwise?
Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 28, 2016 08:31 PM (drrsd)
Come to find out it was all true, makes the "Miss Piggy" comment by Trump seem tame in comparison. Somebody should alert the MSM about it.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 28, 2016 08:32 PM (6hpJz)
Posted by: JoshO at September 28, 2016 08:32 PM (0fkL+)
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:32 PM (1JAxC)
Thatstillhappenstome.
Posted by: Overeducated Shithead at September 28, 2016 08:32 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 08:32 PM (H8Hwv)
Posted by: Old Chinese Proverb or whatever at September 28, 2016 08:33 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: freaked at September 28, 2016 07:54 PM (BO/km)
Did you play Custer's Indian guide in "Little Big Man"?
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 28, 2016 08:33 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at September 28, 2016 08:33 PM (Z8DIA)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 28, 2016 08:33 PM (6hpJz)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 28, 2016 08:32 PM (6hpJz)
She meant "crazy good"!
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 08:33 PM (zc3Db)
2. pregnant
3. was doing drugs apparently, quit last year
4. didn't join #nevertrump just bc her boy Rubio lost, defends Trump's supporters
All is well with the world.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 08:29 PM (6FqZa)
Poor kid will probably come out faster than a string bean on a slip-n-slide.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at September 28, 2016 08:34 PM (FYrz1)
Including Colors!
Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2016 08:34 PM (J82wy)
Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2016 08:30 PM (J82wy)
Believe it or not my posts has double line breaks between each sentence. How it mushed them all together like a friggin long hashtag is beyond me.
Posted by: Tami - Powering through being a Deplorable. at September 28, 2016 08:35 PM (Enq6K)
ThePrimordialOrderedPair isn't a dummy, although I disagree with him. He's one of the top tier of commenters here. I appreciate he's brought arguments for that position re Saddam which, let's be honest here, a lot of us also were making in 2002-4.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 08:36 PM (6FqZa)
Our son is very blessed, and knows it. His friends without family support, not so much.
FUCK Obama and his lackeys in the VA administration. The parents of our son's buddies aren't comforted.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 08:36 PM (1ZOkK)
Posted by: eleven at September 28, 2016 08:26 PM (qUNWi)
That's not even step 1.
That's like something you get out of the way BEFORE you start step 1.
Posted by: Max Power at September 28, 2016 08:36 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 28, 2016 08:31 PM (drrsd)
Yeah. It's not unreasonable to expect countries who get beaten so badly in war that their soldiers are surrendering to Italians - not even Italian soldiers but Italian journalists - to adhere to the cease-fire conditions and not try to start shit up again. A country that gets beaten that badly and then goes right back to attacking those who made a mockery of its army is a very sick country that is not even in the same universe as "sane".
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 08:36 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 08:37 PM (1ZOkK)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 28, 2016 08:37 PM (1qrFE)
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I bought a new Microsoft keyboard. Right out of the box the 'h' key is intermitant. This one I'm using now, all the letters are worn off the key caps.
I can't touch type on those new, chicklet keyboards. So on the new computer, with the new keyboard.
I have to type real slow or all te h caracters are missing. Any word tat as an h in the word as to be watced real closely.
I sould send it back. It's te damn annoyance factor at gets me.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 28, 2016 08:38 PM (vhSZs)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 08:38 PM (H8Hwv)
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at September 28, 2016 08:38 PM (P8951)
Thanks, bth. The respect is mutual.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 08:39 PM (zc3Db)
Technically, there was no post Gulf War 1. We were in a state of cease fire which placed a number of severe sanctions on Iraq almost all of which they violated repeatedly. The most problematic was firing on our planes who were enforcing a no-fly zone. This alone was enough to resume the fighting.
But the key was Iraq's refusal to submit to the UN weapons inspectors inspections. This was kind of a big deal for a country that was constantly in search of nukes. They were also harboring and supporting terrorists in Israel.
Posted by: JackStraw
THANK YOU for setting the record straight.
Everyone (well, not here, but in society in general) is SO GODDAMNED MISINFORMED about the 2003-8 "Iraq War" that I've long since given up trying to zomsplain it to people.
WE WERE ALREADY IN A STATE OF WAR against Iraq on 9/11 and in 2003, and had been for years and years. We merely had a fragile "ceasefire" in place that temporarily stopped the shooting. The ceasefire was dependent upon Saddam Hussein following a whole bunch of stipulations. He basically violated them ALL. We had the right (some would say legal duty) to resume the shooting war. The terror attacks of 9/11 just happened coincidentally near the climax of Saddam's sanctions-violation. In truth, the re-invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 -- it just looked that way due to a historical coincidence, and because it was politically expedient to let everyone jump to the conclusion that the invasion of Iraq was "payback" for 9/11, which it wasn't.
Posted by: zombie at September 28, 2016 08:39 PM (jBuUi)
I know you're either in Georgia, SC or NC. Please let me know in this thread. I'll get VA number from older bro, call them.
Then my Massachusetts nitwit senators tomorrow & maybe WH.
I'm some what relieved you & your husband can afford to help your son,but it's no frigging excuse for ignoring US Vets in favor of illegal aliens.
I've been up too long & tired. I'm going to find something to watch on demand.
Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 08:39 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 28, 2016 08:39 PM (ej1L0)
To be fair, historically Italians' journalists fight better than their soldiers. So do their criminals, their dockworkers, their chefs...
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 08:40 PM (6FqZa)
Old Jarhead
The USAF NEVER left Gulf 1. Never. They flew 6 months, home 1 week, fly six months, repeat
FOR YEARS AND YEARS
Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 08:40 PM (H8Hwv)
Posted by: eleven at September 28, 2016 08:40 PM (qUNWi)
Elon Musk has yet to even build a ship to take people to Mars and he wants to colonize it?
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:14 PM (Y2G1A)
Life on Mars, I think it will go like this:
It's a God-awful small affair
To the girl with the mousy hair
But her mummy is yelling no
And her daddy has told her to go
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 28, 2016 08:40 PM (auHtY)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 08:41 PM (6FqZa)
WE WERE ALREADY IN A STATE OF WAR against Iraq on 9/11 and in 2003, and had been for years and years. We merely had a fragile "ceasefire" in place that temporarily stopped the shooting.
Like North Korea?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 08:41 PM (IqV8l)
When you're fortunate enough to be dicking bimbos on a nightly basis, don't challenge the accusations of perfidy from your lumpy lesbo "wife". Just nut and nod.
Posted by: Fritz at September 28, 2016 08:41 PM (HJX82)
Mars ain't the kinda place to raise your kids. In fact, it's cold as hell.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 08:42 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Yuimetal at September 28, 2016 08:42 PM (g6yUI)
I never used to like David Bowie but as I get older I like his songs more.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:42 PM (Y2G1A)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 08:41 PM (6FqZa)
Heh. Someone's got to.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 08:43 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:43 PM (Y2G1A)
That means they werent allowed to retire or separate
Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 08:43 PM (H8Hwv)
And there's no one there to raise them, if you did.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 28, 2016 08:43 PM (WnZAV)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 28, 2016 08:43 PM (1qrFE)
Some day we ought to respond to each other using only song lyrics. You know, like they did in Transformers.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:44 PM (Y2G1A)
ThePrimordialOrderedPair isn't a dummy, although I disagree with him. He's one of the top tier of commenters here. I appreciate he's brought arguments for that position re Saddam which, let's be honest here, a lot of us also were making in 2002-4.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 08:36 PM (6FqZa)
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Yeah that's my point. In 2002/3 people were making a bad argument based on bad info. 13 years later, knowing what we know now, I'm surprised anyone is still making that argument.
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:45 PM (1JAxC)
Slickly produced, focus group-tested, inoffensive advertisements or "Fuck that, let's just go see people"?
I like his choice.
Posted by: t-bird at September 28, 2016 08:45 PM (9mTYi)
I'm no fan of Carter, but during the hostage crisis he never said, "We
must not have an anti-Iranian backlash! I will bring in hundreds of
thousands of Iranians so that we can all learn to get along". It would
have been unthinkable.
Posted by: Yuimetal at September 28, 2016 08:42 PM (g6yUI)
In fact, Carter had Iranians in the US deported.
Posted by: Tami - Powering through being a Deplorable. at September 28, 2016 08:45 PM (Enq6K)
Gunter glieben glauchen Globen!
Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 08:45 PM (/tuJf)
----
Why can't we be friends
Why can't we be friends
Why can't we be friends
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 28, 2016 08:46 PM (vhSZs)
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:42 PM (Y2G1A)
I've been listening to his music a lot more lately especially after he ceased to be
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 28, 2016 08:46 PM (auHtY)
His thing on the ME has been build a wall around it, cut off the internet and send the reporters home, then send in the killer robots.
Which, if you think about it, doesn't sound so awful....
Posted by: blaster at September 28, 2016 08:30 PM (ACqhm)
That's actually pretty close to my idea. Build an electrified fence around the Muslim world and cut off all trade. They get none of our money or technology. Shoot anyone who attempts to leave.
No killer robots needed. Let nature take its course, and they'll be back to a 7th Century standard of living in no time.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 28, 2016 08:46 PM (sdi6R)
Precisely. A daisy-cutter is worth two suits for wrongful death. A nuke is worth ten.
Posted by: Fritz at September 28, 2016 08:46 PM (HJX82)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 08:46 PM (H8Hwv)
And there's no one there to raise them, if you did.'
Who wants kids anyway? Noisy little shits.
Posted by: RocketXan at September 28, 2016 08:46 PM (BO/km)
Elon Musk has yet to even build a ship to take people to Mars and he wants to colonize it?
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:14 PM (Y2G1A)
I was puzzled by that, too. I think that he figures there will be less competition trying to get Mars, since he might well be the only one (assuming he can actually get people and stuff there on some sort of reasonable budget).
That's all I could come up with. Or that he wants to own a whole planet rather than just be a worker bee on some half-assed satellite.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 08:46 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:47 PM (1JAxC)
Where I part ways with p.o.p. is that I think we were making a good argument based on bad info (and on incomplete info). Some of that bad info was passed on by Saddam's own proxies, because Saddam's own internal intelligence was so broken he himself thought that he had WMDs ready to rain hell on American invaders.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 08:47 PM (6FqZa)
Or maybe Musk thought it'd be funny to dominate the "news" cycle for a day with his trolling.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:48 PM (Y2G1A)
Posted by: blaster at September 28, 2016 08:48 PM (ACqhm)
Flaut. But otherwise spot on.
People forget that he acted as if he had WMD. He played the world's worst poker hand.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 28, 2016 08:48 PM (mgbwf)
Dare To Be Stupid?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrMbkbTPrPA
Posted by: freaked at September 28, 2016 08:48 PM (BO/km)
It claimed that Matt Damon is so full of crap that he would be able to fertilise a supply of rations for himself lasting years.
Fact check verdict: true
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 08:48 PM (6FqZa)
Slickly produced, focus group-tested, inoffensive advertisements or "Fuck that, let's just go see people"?
I like his choice.
Posted by: t-bird at September 28, 2016 08:45 PM (9mTYi)
But but but Hillary and Comrade Bernie talked to a crowd of about 300 people and promised free everything
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 28, 2016 08:49 PM (auHtY)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 28, 2016 08:49 PM (mgbwf)
I think we should try, but it's going to be an insane money pit.
Posted by: Max Power at September 28, 2016 08:49 PM (q177U)
I couldn't finish The Martian. Damon just made me sicker and sicker of him.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:49 PM (Y2G1A)
Did they explain how to deal with the perchlorate in the soil?
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 28, 2016 08:50 PM (WnZAV)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 08:50 PM (H8Hwv)
Where I part ways with p.o.p. is that I think we were making a good argument based on bad info (and on incomplete info). Some of that bad info was passed on by Saddam's own proxies, because Saddam's own internal intelligence was so broken he himself thought that he had WMDs ready to rain hell on American invaders.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 08:47 PM (6FqZa)
____
Fair enough. It was a good argument based on bad info, I'll give you that. But since it turns out the info was pure bullshit, how the fuck can anyone still make that argument? Take away the WMD threat and there is absolutely zero reason to have gone to war with him ( or re-start the war if you want to get all technical that we were still at war with Iraq in 2003)?
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:50 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 08:50 PM (6FqZa)
I think that he figures there will be less competition trying to get Mars, since he might well be the only one (assuming he can actually get people and stuff there on some sort of reasonable budget).
Maybe he figures he can get a much larger government subsidy if he tells them Mars instead of Moon.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 08:51 PM (IqV8l)
the one song he made i liked.
btw, i played my godsmack and staind cds today.
pure dreck.
must have been in rebellion.
Posted by: concrete girl at September 28, 2016 08:51 PM (B5Tpe)
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:45 PM (1JAxC)
I didn't make one mention of any "bad info" I stated facts.
But, since you bring up the WMD issue, then the fact is that the Iraq War turned up more serious WMD than anyone had even imagined. It was only because taking saddam down so quickly and thoroughly scared the living shit out of Q'Daffy that he puked up his whole nuke program, which included a deep look into the AQ Khan network, which was the most dangerous WMD proliferation tool in the world. It was only because of the Iraq War and what that did to Q'Daffy that we were able to identify and shut down the AQ Khan network.
So, even in terms of the WMD argument, the Iraq War ended up turning over more than we ever expected. And that was only because of the Iraq War.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 08:51 PM (zc3Db)
Oh, and it looks like the Juanita Broaddrick thing is expanding. WaPo does a front-page story discussing Bill's "indiscretions" and "infidelities," noting that Trump is one to talk!!!!! Barely a mention of Juanita, except to include Hillary's response when she was door-stopped at a townhall.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 28, 2016 08:52 PM (oGNNA)
Posted by: Harmonious Fists
Ziggy Stardust is a very pleasant tune, although the lyrics range from incoherent to disturbing.
Posted by: Yuimetal at September 28, 2016 08:53 PM (g6yUI)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 08:54 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Fritz at September 28, 2016 08:54 PM (HJX82)
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:54 PM (Y2G1A)
is expanding. WaPo does a front-page story discussing Bill's
"indiscretions" and "infidelities," noting that Trump is one to
talk!!!!! Barely a mention of Juanita, except to include Hillary's
response when she was door-stopped at a townhall.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 28, 2016 08:52 PM (oGNNA)
Trump didn't have his 'indiscretions' and 'infidelities' while a Governor or....PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. FFS.
Posted by: Tami - Powering through being a Deplorable. at September 28, 2016 08:54 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: Yuimetal at September 28, 2016 08:53 PM (g6yUI)
"All the clouds turn to words
All the words float in sequence
No one knows what they mean
Everyone just ignores them."
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 08:56 PM (zc3Db)
Gotta disagree with you there sport. That guy and his army were batshit crazy and would have done anything to strike us and destabilize the region to his benefit.
That guy and his regime needed to be destroyed. In the most expedient and ruthless manner possible.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 28, 2016 08:56 PM (1qrFE)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 08:56 PM (/tuJf)
Godsmack, for me, is still good for "lifting" tunes.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:56 PM (Y2G1A)
Cheaper and safer than terraforming and colonizing Detroit.
Posted by: t-bird at September 28, 2016 08:56 PM (9mTYi)
You know, ... weights.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:56 PM (Y2G1A)
is expanding. WaPo does a front-page story discussing Bill's
"indiscretions" and "infidelities," noting that Trump is one to
talk!!!!! Barely a mention of Juanita, except to include Hillary's
response when she was door-stopped at a townhall.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 28, 2016 08:52 PM (oGNNA)
Trump didn't have his 'indiscretions' and 'infidelities' while a Governor or....PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. FFS.
Posted by: Tami - Powering through being a Deplorable. at September 28, 2016 08:54 PM (Enq6K)
And unlike all of the women in Bill's life, none of Trump's exes & lovers have anything bad to say about him.
Posted by: josephistan at September 28, 2016 08:57 PM (7qAYi)
Yeah, why not "colonize" the mojave desert?
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:58 PM (Y2G1A)
That guy and his regime needed to be destroyed. In the most expedient and ruthless manner possible.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 28, 2016 08:56 PM (1qrFE)
___
The army that surrendered in about 15 nanoseconds? Come on. Nobody seriously thought Iraq posed any threat sans WMDs.
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:58 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:59 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: #neverskankles
Ummm... isn't that how ecoli outbreaks occur? But thanks for the warning. There are better things to spend $10 on than watching Matt Damon defecate in outer space.
Posted by: Yuimetal at September 28, 2016 08:59 PM (g6yUI)
Sealab 2020, anyone?
They built a giant complex beneath the ocean surface.
A very bleeding heart liberal cartoon, btw. But still amusing.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 08:59 PM (Y2G1A)
nood
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 28, 2016 09:00 PM (Y2G1A)
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The news media seemed to be quite impressed with his revolutionary guards, royal guards, praterian guards, republican guards or whatever their name was. They were going to put up a fight, the media said. They were the worlds best trained and largest army, they said. They had fought the Iranian army to a stand still they said.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 28, 2016 09:00 PM (vhSZs)
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:58 PM (1JAxC)
I covered this. The army that dumped tens of millions of barrels of oil into the gulf and lit just about every single oil well in Kuwait on fire. Fo you understand the threat posed by a guy willing to do this who sits in control of one of the most important oil-producing pieces of land in the world?
Oil is the lifeblood of the world. If someone really wanted to hurt us (and the non-muslim world) badly, the worst thing they could do is just destroy the gulf oil fields. The world would be thrown into utter chaos.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 09:01 PM (zc3Db)
Too hot, and you'd never get through the environmental impact statement paperwork.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 28, 2016 09:01 PM (WnZAV)
The army that continued to shoot at our Air Force for the next several years? Yeah that one. Never underestimate your enemy.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 28, 2016 09:02 PM (1qrFE)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 09:02 PM (+kpYV)
I really don't ascribe to that theory. We're capable of extracting oil and producing energy from our own fields. I think there's just way too much money invested the ME oil fields for us to walk was from. But we could if we had to.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 28, 2016 09:04 PM (1qrFE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrMbkbTPrPA
For the millionth time, Weird Al is a great concert!! Dare to be Stupid is a great set!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 09:07 PM (+b2T3)
Posted by: grammie winger's deplorable basket at September 28, 2016 09:09 PM (bpfzP)
Eventually, we woiuld adjust. Someone would adjust, at least. But you can't just replace 10 or 20 million barrels a day in a few years. The price would go beyond anything anyone has imagined and that would drive economies right into the ground. It would be pretty nasty for quite some time and who knows what would transpire as that was going on. Many, many economies would just come to an immediate standstill.
We could ramp up coal (but even getting that going again would take some time) but many aspects of modern life would have to immediately change.
I certainly can't say that my ideas about this are certain to occur, but I think that most policy-makers don't want to even think about what might have to be done, or what might happen, if say, 30% of the gulf oil production were to be disabled for some long period of time.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2016 09:11 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: DaveA at September 28, 2016 09:13 PM (8J/Te)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, deplorable is better than despicable at September 28, 2016 09:22 PM (0O7c5)
In Obama's Mental Caliphate, jizya money is supposed to flow to Islamic entities. That's why he opposes the bill, not because American troops might be sued. That's a plus for Obama. But not at the price of Americans being able to sue Islamic entities.
That's why we spent $770m to renovate mosques in Egypt, Cypress and Mali--to include computers and internet. What could possibly go wrong?
Compare Obama's treatment of 9/11 victims to Iran. There was no court judgment ordering us to pay. Obama was acting as Iran's lawyer and pronounced America guilty and paid them out of the Judgment Fund--and he was the judge, jury, plaintiff's counsel and bagman.
Iran made the IEDs in Iraq maiming and murdering hundreds of Americans. They bombed the Marine Barracks in Beirut and Khobar Towers. Is Obama counterclaiming for all those damages? Hell no.
They let bin Laden operate out of Iran. Guess what; now Americans can sue Iran, too!
That's why he and the Ayatollah are so desperate.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 28, 2016 09:34 PM (Ndje9)
OPEC announces a cut in production.... one that had been opposed in the past by the House of Saud.
Oil is, and has been, a weaponized commodity for a generation.... we need to FRACKIN drill here... even if it is more expensive.
Posted by: Don Q. at September 28, 2016 07:15 PM (qf6WZ)
Good. Bring OK back online.
Posted by: Bernette at September 28, 2016 09:39 PM (ru2SK)
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