Embarrassing: Fox Instructs Hosts Not to Cite Meaningless Online Polls Because They're Not Even Polls

They had to warn Sean Hannity about this.

Of course, Trump is out there complaining that the media isn't noticing how well he did in the "online polls."

Does Trump know these aren't real polls? Does he know these are just click-suck jerkoff-bait for people? Does he know "online polls" are just a progressive tax on desperation, ill-education, and idleness levied by 23-year-old neckbeards looking for an easy way to goose their traffic numbers?

I think he probably does, but that leads to the next problem: Someone who can't tell a plausible lie from an implausible lie is just as dumb as someone who doesn't even realize his claim is a lie in the first place.

Can the entire online right just get its shit together and finally comprehend there is no such thing as an "online poll"? It says right at the bottom: Not a scientific poll. For entertainment purposes only.

Which is itself a lie; they're not for your entertainment, they're there so that a site can pad its traffic stats for the day by getting ignorant people to link its stupid fake poll.

And that's why no one cites these polls: because they're not polls.

They're chum for the dumb.

Stop already. It's beyond embarrassing at this point.

Political Importance: Trump would be winning if he was pulling college educated voters at Romney's level, or even close to it.

He's doing very well with less-educated whites -- as he predicted.

However, he's lost huge support from college-educated whites.

This class is very class-conscience and proud to be "educated." They're very proud that they have degrees. Like 67 million other Americans, or about 31% of the US population age 25 and above.

It's not exactly winning the Heismann Trophy.

Yet they're very proud of their class status.

And they find it hard to support a man who seems to either 1, be far below their class status despite being wealthy, or 2, who seems only interested in catering to the ignorances of the less well-educated.

Stupid shit like this -- showing either ignorance of, or deceit about, a fact that any reasonably on-the-ball person knows -- hurts Trump far more than it helps him.

It's hard to vote for a guy you not only suspect you're smarter than (this happens in most elections) but are sure you're a lot smarter than.

Trump needs to stop playing to a base he's had since June 2015 and start playing for the votes he doesn't have, but absolutely needs, if he's to win.

Posted by: Ace at 05:40 PM

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1 Ok already.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 28, 2016 05:42 PM (SeD0w)

2 They're stupid. After any republican primary debate, that I watched, I'd vote & Trump always won.

Hi Ace

Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 05:42 PM (sj3Ax)

3 No poll is worth a shit if they don't give the internals.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 28, 2016 05:42 PM (mpXpK)

4 Firstish. mmmm. Something went right today.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 28, 2016 05:42 PM (SeD0w)

5 Chum for the dumb?

I think you should set up a poll for this. You know, see what the folks think.

Posted by: johnd01 at September 28, 2016 05:43 PM (ukNFU)

6 No wonder my dick is so sore.

Posted by: Oedipus at September 28, 2016 05:43 PM (CXLVd)

7 Trump is the "Let it Burn" candidate....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 28, 2016 05:44 PM (cBWom)

8 Hi Vic,
I'm staying for this whole thread, unless it's last of the day.

Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 05:44 PM (sj3Ax)

9

I think it was Ari Fleischer today who said, yes, it's click bait, but why would they complain if Trump brings up the polls that are pro-Trump, when they put the polls up there to begin with?

If they were pro-Hillary, we would hear a different story.

One thing I think the polls do do, is support Trump, in the hopes others will see him as a "winner" or "the winner" and think twice about what the media actually says. I know it would hurt the cause if it were reversed, but in this case idc.

One thing is does show, as Krauthammer stated, is the "enthusiasm" for Trump. Yes.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 28, 2016 05:44 PM (qCMvj)

10 But can Sean tell me again how many people are out of the work force?

Posted by: wth - who loves broken records at September 28, 2016 05:44 PM (HgMAr)

11 Ron Paul!

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 05:45 PM (W32pz)

12 Ace, relax, we'd be using these click bait polls if Hillary had won them.

Posted by: Robby Mook, beta Homo at September 28, 2016 05:45 PM (aOqpx)

13 Trump's a rhetorical speaker. Rhetoric is chum for the dumb as well. He's not trying to reach smart people.

Posted by: Grisle McThornbody at September 28, 2016 05:45 PM (lvNsd)

14 The only Poll I care is the one my Morning Consort does.

Posted by: dIb at September 28, 2016 05:45 PM (VJOLZ)

15 Do any of you know who was the biggest winner of Monday's debate according to all online polls?

Ron Paul!!

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 28, 2016 05:45 PM (cBWom)

16 So many polls coming out lately I don't know if I woke up at a titty bar or a sausage fest.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 28, 2016 05:45 PM (jxbfJ)

17 What is aggravating is the polls that really matter which are State polls for the toss-up States they are not concentrating on. At this stage of the game they should be running one every 3 or 4 days in each State.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 28, 2016 05:46 PM (mpXpK)

18 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at September 28, 2016 05:46 PM (uPt3V)

19 Trump is using them the same way democrats use fixed polls as part of psychological warfare.

Should we now bash Trump for using the same tricks democrats use, to help create the perception that he won the debate?

Perception trumps reality. The fact that the networks are threatening their hosts not to use it should indicate how effective a propaganda tool it can be. How accurate it is, is really beside the point.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 28, 2016 05:46 PM (5JBUT)

20 Ace, I put little credence in polls.
What value do you give them, seriously?

Posted by: tubal at September 28, 2016 05:46 PM (d6TTt)

21 Do any of you know who was the biggest winner of Monday's debate according to all online polls?

No, But I do know who the biggest loser was: THE NFL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2016 05:46 PM (Ozsfq)

22 It's kind of like American Idol voting.
Which does mean something.

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 28, 2016 05:46 PM (Om16U)

23 I can't listen to Sean talk about Trump. It's as if he's turned gay & in love.

Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 05:47 PM (sj3Ax)

24 8
Hi Vic,

I'm staying for this whole thread, unless it's last of the day.

Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 05:44 PM (sj3Ax)

Hi Carole. I usually stick around for the first hundred or so. The the posts start repeating.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 28, 2016 05:47 PM (mpXpK)

25 Like with a cloth?

Posted by: Yo! at September 28, 2016 05:48 PM (uPt3V)

26 11 Ron Paul!
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 28, 2016 05:45 PM (W32pz)

Ron Poll!

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 28, 2016 05:48 PM (Om16U)

27 Hannity is annoying but at least he is trying to help Trump... The rest seem determined to get Hillary elected...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 28, 2016 05:48 PM (O2RFr)

28 It's spin. If you can claim something, claim it. It's about making yourself look as good as possible.

Yeah, online polls are clickbait BS. But citing them is spin, and your opponent will do it if they can.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 28, 2016 05:48 PM (uz/Pv)

29 They have a little meaning when Trump wins on a liberal leaning site, like Slate. It means the site couldn't get enough of its own liberal dummies to jack up numbers for Hillary.

that is a fun little bit of mud in their eye

Posted by: illiniwek at September 28, 2016 05:48 PM (n6rAX)

30 These polls do show one important thing:

People who are reluctant to tell some random person on the phone that yes, they are voting for Trump, are absolutely gleeful to go to an online poll and click their support for the guy.

Not scientific, nope, not one damn bit, satisfying, you betcha.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at September 28, 2016 05:48 PM (kXoT0)

31 Thank you Allahpundit, I mean Ace...

Posted by: Guido911 at September 28, 2016 05:49 PM (Q0d1T)

32 22
It's kind of like American Idol voting.

Which does mean something.

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 28, 2016 05:46 PM (Om16U)
Yup; this is the electorate these days - American Idol, Dancing with the Stars - they vote online or by text. Only old folk do it the phone way.

Posted by: IC at September 28, 2016 05:49 PM (a0IVu)

33 Ace, we are way past the embarrassment point.

We are deplorable Trump voters, after all.

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 28, 2016 05:49 PM (Om16U)

34 well, while the online polls are not scientific, that does not mean that they do not have an impact on voters.

having the results of unscientific polls broadcast everywhere is likely to have a cascade effect upon liv / uninformed voters similar to that of the bandwagon / fairweather fan effect.

hey, look what happened with global warming.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 28, 2016 05:50 PM (cPsPa)

35 Hey, I heard ya'll were talking about poles?

Heh.

Posted by: Big Willie style at September 28, 2016 05:50 PM (C9pBZ)

36 Online polls have greater credibility than the MSM.

Trump, cite away.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 28, 2016 05:50 PM (3/l0T)

37 The scientific poll is settled.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 05:50 PM (IqV8l)

38 Of course if Hillary had won the online polling it would be legitimately newsworthy.

Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at September 28, 2016 05:50 PM (Z8DIA)

39 online polls have more validity than anything blm says.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 28, 2016 05:50 PM (cPsPa)

40 The CNN "poll" that they advertised as "scientific" wasn't...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 28, 2016 05:50 PM (O2RFr)

41 I thought boobs were click bait?

Posted by: Yo! at September 28, 2016 05:51 PM (uPt3V)

42 Polls? You should see what I do with my staff...

Posted by: Big Willie style at September 28, 2016 05:51 PM (C9pBZ)

43 Yo!
Posted by: Yo! at September 28, 2016 05:46 PM (uPt3V)

OK what's the point here??

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 28, 2016 05:51 PM (drrsd)

44 I'm so disappointed Ace did not include a poll with this post.

Even just a snark one we could copy/paste and respond to in the comments.

Posted by: TexasDan at September 28, 2016 05:51 PM (FnuZG)

45 Both 'unscientific' online and 'scientific' media polls are used for propaganda and sales purposes. Here is a summary of a recent 'scientific' ABC/WAPO poll: http://tinyurl.com/hu7nc7b.

Posted by: chilloutyo Deplorable at September 28, 2016 05:52 PM (lQqJB)

46 Everybody cites online polls when they are favorable, Ace. And no they aren't scientific but that doesn't mean they aren't informative. Put it this way - the online polls about who won the debate weren't wrong once in the primaries. As opposed to all the "scientific" polls being run out there by purists seeking Truth....cough...And may I say you seem a little worked up about this important matter of making sure everyone knows about online polls. Have a relaxing drink. We'll be ok out here with our polls. And yes I guess that is a dick joke. I don't understand it yet somehow it's vaguely funny.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell at September 28, 2016 05:52 PM (6EPMu)

47 41
I thought boobs were click bait?

Posted by: Yo! at September 28, 2016 05:51 PM (uPt3V)

These are clickbait for boobs.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable at September 28, 2016 05:52 PM (GX63o)

48 Online polls seem to fit nicely in these times when we are constantly being sold on stuff that isn't real like BLM, AGW, women make less money than men and on and on.

At this point, if they help Trump beat Hillary I'm all for using them.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 05:52 PM (/tuJf)

49 Well, whether he won or lost the debate he certainly raised a lot of money the last few days.

Posted by: IC at September 28, 2016 05:52 PM (a0IVu)

50 Wait, wrong thread?

Is there a poll on that?

Posted by: Big Willie style at September 28, 2016 05:52 PM (C9pBZ)

51 The scientific poll is settled.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 05:50 PM (IqV8l)

heh, now that is funny.

how much more scientific is an online poll than a self selecting group of "scientists" that claim the global warming science is settled?

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 28, 2016 05:52 PM (cPsPa)

52 Trump's a rhetorical speaker. Rhetoric is chum for the dumb as well. He's not trying to reach smart people.

-
Hillary Clinton is the supreme intellectual. When she throws an ashtray, she throws it smartly!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 28, 2016 05:52 PM (Nwg0u)

53 The scientific poll is settled.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 05:50 PM (IqV8l)

Yeah that's the thing. I don't think they're scientific, specifically objective or neutral.
I think they're mostly push polls.
And tainted pool polls. And partisan funded polls, and and and.
My trust level is at level zero.

Posted by: tubal at September 28, 2016 05:52 PM (d6TTt)

54 polls are a homonym of poles and we all know that a pole is a symbol of the patriarchy and Donald Trump likes to punch babies in their tiny poles and he said a wise latina was a mop monkey

i need a nap

Posted by: I'm Wither(ed) at September 28, 2016 05:53 PM (RKQ/v)

55 If these online polls declared Hillary the victor they'd be pushing it night and day on all the media outlets until our dicks fell off to demoralize and gaslight the voters.

But when Trump does it he's an idiot who doesn't know they're fake?

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 28, 2016 05:53 PM (5JBUT)

56 I'm still going by the number of bumper stickers and Hillary signs in yards as an indication of how the election is going.

One the 3 or 4 sites I frequent, I've heard multiple accounts of people in heavily liberal areas with barely a sign seen.

Meanwhile Trump voters are risking retaliation and still putting up signs.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 28, 2016 05:53 PM (cBWom)

57 Oh, for Pete's sake - youtube is censoring the video that purports to show Hillary signalling Lester Holt to cut in on Trump?

They will do whatever it takes to drag her slightly chilled carcass across the finish line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEvQZuo1VMo

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2016 05:53 PM (NOIQH)

58 You can bet if Hillary had "won" the on line polls she would be bragging about it...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 28, 2016 05:53 PM (O2RFr)

59 I think they're meaningful sometimes, just like 'trending on Twitter' is meaningful sometimes - I also think the only one who cares about things like that are millennials who are actually pretty good at discerning what was 'manufactured' vs organically happening - I actually think it really does reflect the enthusiasm gap and was more of an 'F you, we know he lost the debate, but here'

Posted by: firehorse at September 28, 2016 05:53 PM (//TVq)

60 Usually, you can "hack" these polls by deleting your cookies and boting again. I've written scripts to automatically clear cookies and vote again.. Thousands of times over. Specifically I flipped the results of an online poll of wether Martha Stewart was guilty of insider trading. I was pro-Martha. Literally 30%+ of the votes were from me.

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 28, 2016 05:53 PM (hleQZ)

61 So if a dozen chum 4 dumb polls show Trump winning - including Slate, Time, CNBC - what is meaningless? Are Hilcnts supporters just too sophisticated to be baited?

I suggest they do mean something, even if it is mere enthusiasm.

Posted by: Bobby Ahr at September 28, 2016 05:53 PM (zmZ2x)

62 I think ace needs to run a poll.

Let's pad his clicks.

Posted by: Golfman at September 28, 2016 05:53 PM (48QDY)

63 Preference is for boobs over polls.

Posted by: Weasel at September 28, 2016 05:53 PM (Sfs6o)

64 well, they may well be a measure of enthusiasm.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 28, 2016 05:54 PM (cPsPa)

65 Yes polls suck, anybody can make a poll say anything. It sure is nice when your ox isn't the one being gored. That being said, it seems as though There is enthusiasm to smack down hillary. Online polls that just take votes don't reflect anything true just the location of the poll and the belief of the local inhabitants of a particular site. Everyone knows that if it is online it has to be true...

Posted by: USNtakim at September 28, 2016 05:54 PM (hMqvx)

66 Betty, or Wilma?

YOU decide!

Posted by: Crusader at September 28, 2016 05:54 PM (ewSN2)

67 People on social media are trumpeting them all the time as well. But to be fair, MSNBC and other cable news sites talk about them as well. CNN has mentioned their online polls as if they have any weight at all. Its pathetic.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 28, 2016 05:54 PM (39g3+)

68 29
They have a little meaning when Trump wins on a liberal leaning site, like Slate. It means the site couldn't get enough of its own liberal dummies to jack up numbers for Hillary.

that is a fun little bit of mud in their eye

Posted by: illiniwek at September 28, 2016 05:48 PM (n6rAX)

I'll cop to that guilty pleasure, and I don't think it means one bit about my understanding that they are unscientific.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable at September 28, 2016 05:54 PM (GX63o)

69 Poles are a homo?

What?

Posted by: Big Willie style at September 28, 2016 05:54 PM (C9pBZ)

70 seeing the difference, real clear politics style, between online polls from election to election would be interesting. whose voters were more enthusiastic?

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 28, 2016 05:55 PM (cPsPa)

71 Agreed, ACE~!

You have to use real polls in the news biz. You have to make sure the poll is well-constructed. It should be a long poll. And it's best if the poll's hard as well.

Now, me personally, I like to get the poll in the end but I have been know to take a poll or two orally.

Posted by: Shep Smith at September 28, 2016 05:55 PM (V3IFq)

72 Online polls v. Josh Earnest, which is more credible?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 28, 2016 05:55 PM (Nwg0u)

73 hey, but the idiot Aussie LNP threw out the PM that'd won the election for them because he was transiently 2 points behind in the polls.

In favor of a Goldmsn Sachs warmist.

Posted by: JEM at September 28, 2016 05:55 PM (TppKb)

74
One the 3 or 4 sites I frequent, I've heard multiple accounts of people in heavily liberal areas with barely a sign seen.

Did they have signs in previous election cycles?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 05:55 PM (IqV8l)

75 I'm still going by the number of bumper stickers and Hillary signs in yards as an indication of how the election is going.
***************

I just saw an old clunker today covered with Trump bumper stickers from front to back. Obviously when you drive a shit car you're not going to worry about the paint getting keyed.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 28, 2016 05:56 PM (5JBUT)

76 I just Googled 'online poling' and got Alicia Machado porn vids.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at September 28, 2016 05:56 PM (DUg/L)

77 >>It should be a long poll. And it's best if the poll's
>> hard as well.

It's not the poll, it's the cute Asian chick swinging around it.

Posted by: JEM at September 28, 2016 05:57 PM (TppKb)

78 Actual election polls are meaningless too. Especially when they count certain voters (alive or dead) multiple times.

Posted by: Roy at September 28, 2016 05:57 PM (fWLrt)

79

Should have had a poll on the Megyn Kelly post.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 28, 2016 05:57 PM (qCMvj)

80 Did they have signs in previous election cycles?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 05:55 PM (IqV8l)

In my case Bertram, in my little corner of Utopia, yeah they did.
Loud and Proud for Obama.

Posted by: tubal at September 28, 2016 05:57 PM (d6TTt)

81
Did they have signs in previous election cycles?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 05:55 PM (IqV8l)

For Obama? Littering the places according to various comments.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 28, 2016 05:57 PM (cBWom)

82 Pipe that, you mugs. Ace is spitting the right rumble. Online polls is for rubes, it's a trip for biscuits. Don't be a patsy. See yas at the gin mill, where we can have a smell from the barrel until we throw a joe.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 05:57 PM (d3Ee6)

83 One the 3 or 4 sites I frequent, I've heard multiple accounts of people in heavily liberal areas with barely a sign seen.

I can attest to that in my neck of the woods in So Cal (Thousand Oaks area); 2008 and 2012 it was Obama stickers everywhere, literally on every other car. This year, crickets. I still see more Bernie stickers. A few Hillary. But shockingly quite a few Trump yard signs and car stickers.

Posted by: IC at September 28, 2016 05:57 PM (a0IVu)

84 I drove 70 miles today & through two lib cities, one is also a sanctuary city & didn't see any yard signs or bumper stickers for either.

Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 05:58 PM (sj3Ax)

85
Did they have signs in previous election cycles?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 05:55 PM (IqV8l)
--------------
Oh hell yes, in previous elections there were tons of signs where I live in NoVA That's what makes the complete absence of Hillary! signs remarkable.

Posted by: Weasel at September 28, 2016 05:58 PM (Sfs6o)

86 66 Betty, or Wilma?

YOU decide!
Posted by: Crusader at September 28, 2016 05:54 PM (ewSN2)

Jeannie dammit.

How many times I gotta tell ya?

Posted by: Golfman at September 28, 2016 05:58 PM (48QDY)

87 I'm at O'Hare right now. No Clinton swag to be seen, but I'm wearing my MAGA hat.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 28, 2016 05:58 PM (3/l0T)

88 I got'cher poll right here...
*zip*

Posted by: Sporkatus at September 28, 2016 05:59 PM (HtLSE)

89 74
One the 3 or 4 sites I frequent, I've heard multiple accounts of people in heavily liberal areas with barely a sign seen.
Did they have signs in previous election cycles?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 05:55 PM (IqV8l)

I live 5 miles east of Boulder, Colorado and I honestly have yet to see a Hillary sign. I've seen a couple signs supporting the Dem in the Senate race.
I live on a cul-de-sac and even then, last election, there were 5 Obama signs in yards.

Posted by: deplorable jwb7605 at September 28, 2016 05:59 PM (DofIg)

90 >>>People on social media are trumpeting them all the time as well. But to be fair, MSNBC and other cable news sites talk about them as well. CNN has mentioned their online polls as if they have any weight at all. Its pathetic.

they do that to keep the audience clicking, but they do not treat these as real polls or real news. brett Baier and bill O'reilly mention their fake poll numbers, but do not act as if they're anything real.

Yes, to even mention them is deceptive, but they don't treat them as real and newsworthy. They treat them as silly entertainment crap.

which is what they say they are right at the bottom of the poll.

Posted by: ace at September 28, 2016 05:59 PM (dciA+)

91 The only real place that online polls say anything is in terms of enthusiasm. That's what the Paul poll gaming said: small numbers but high enthusiasm, so they were able to game every poll and get results they wanted.

If its not some fringe freako candidate like Paul or Jill Stein, you can see enthusiasm levels among voters and the public through online polling effects.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 28, 2016 05:59 PM (39g3+)

92 IC
Carol,

Yeah, comments like that. Repeatedly.

If people can't even put up a sign in their yard for the old hag in LIBERAL areas, what's turnout going to be like...?

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 28, 2016 05:59 PM (cBWom)

93 The lack is signs is a sign.

Posted by: Weasel at September 28, 2016 06:00 PM (Sfs6o)

94 Meanwhile Trump voters are risking retaliation and still putting up signs.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 28, 2016 05:53 PM (cBWom)

The watercolor artist whose class I went to Italy to take made the mistake of posting on Monday that she was voting for Trump. She is sweet, upbeat, happy, charming, and an extremely talented painter. In less than an hour, she lost 13 "friends", had to unfriend one woman who kept posting nasty links onto the artist's page even after being asked very nicely to stop, and got threats to sabotage her career. She was astonished at the bile, vitriol, and sheer bull headed behavior of those Liberal friends. She posted ruefully later that she had no idea that saying one is somewhat Conservative is no longer acceptable. Poor dear thinks we still have free speech.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at September 28, 2016 06:00 PM (kXoT0)

95 Polls shmolls. Everyone knows that 90% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 28, 2016 06:00 PM (kTF2Z)

96 see update

sorry, if you didn't know these were fake polls, if you're still "freeping" them like people were when they were naive about these things 12 years ago, that's on you, not on me for having to tell you something obvious.

Posted by: ace at September 28, 2016 06:00 PM (dciA+)

97 >>>66 Betty, or Wilma?

:::puts WiteOut on computer screen:::
WINONA

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 06:01 PM (d3Ee6)

98 The lack is signs is a sign.

Yeah its a sign that people don't use 20th century technology to promote candidates any longer.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 28, 2016 06:01 PM (39g3+)

99 Hallelujah. I also have an ax to grind with my side constantly spouting off about "crowd sizes." The number of people who show up at a rally doesn't mean SHIT. I repeat it does not mean a goddamn thing. Mitt Romney drew 20k people to a rally in Pennsylvania the week before the election. He went on to lose the state by six (!) points.

Unless there's some electoral calculation that I'm not aware of in which a die-hards vote counts more than a half-hearted please stop being lulled into some false sense of the state of the race lest you wake up November 9th wondering what the fuck happened.

The only thing that can give you a glimpse of the race as it stands are state polls from reputable outfits with a competent methodology. That's it. C'est finis. Jamais allez a guerre avec une armee imaginaire.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at September 28, 2016 06:01 PM (Rtyzj)

100 Hillary is just not that popular or likeable. But MSM would have us believe that people worship her.
And the "polls" show her being as well liked as Obama, roughly.
Which is, in fact, bullshit.

Posted by: tubal at September 28, 2016 06:01 PM (d6TTt)

101 O.T. - I must agree, I hate it when this happens:
http://tinyurl.com/zdt3vjq

Posted by: Loren T. Mofo at September 28, 2016 06:01 PM (w5cak)

102 >>>The only real place that online polls say anything is in terms of enthusiasm. That's what the Paul poll gaming said: small numbers but high enthusiasm, so they were able to game every poll and get results they wanted.

not even that. It tells me that some people care about fake unscientific polls and some people are hip enough not to care about them.

Hint: it's not a good thing to be part of the first group.

Posted by: ace at September 28, 2016 06:01 PM (dciA+)

103 I came over from the previous thread because I'm the original web crawler.

Posted by: Penis Spider at September 28, 2016 06:01 PM (cCxiu)

104 see update

Don't know what he could do about that... Out free stuff Hillary?

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 28, 2016 06:02 PM (O2RFr)

105 "Betty, or Wilma? "

Would have to go Betty. Smart, but cheery and knew her husband was kind of a bewb but didn't hold it against him.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 28, 2016 06:02 PM (QEi8/)

106 >>If people can't even put up a sign in their yard for the
>>old hag in LIBERAL areas, what's turnout going to be
>>like...?

So sign up to drive Dems to the polls and then dump them in the wrong precinct...

Posted by: JEM at September 28, 2016 06:02 PM (TppKb)

107 31 Thank you Allahpundit, I mean Ace...
Posted by: Guido911 at September 28, 2016 05:49 PM (Q0d1T)

You either missed a /sarc tag or you can shove that attitude where the sun don't shine, Guido.

Supporting a candidate doesn't mean ignoring or excusing his shortcomings. Criticizing (constructively) him doesn't necessarily mean you're on the opposition's side.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 28, 2016 06:03 PM (ASSjT)

108 I googled bewbs and ended up here.

Disappointed.

Posted by: The Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at September 28, 2016 06:03 PM (MCEs2)

109 Betty, or Wilma?

YOU decide!

-
Bam Bam!

- A Certain Former Senate Majority Leader

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 28, 2016 06:03 PM (Nwg0u)

110 21 Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2016 05:46 PM (Ozsfq)

HEY those are real people doing REAL THINGS....

Posted by: sven10077 at September 28, 2016 06:03 PM (SzZnW)

111 >>>31 Thank you Allahpundit, I mean Ace...
Posted by: Guido911 a

did you not know?

Were you one of those guys waiting for the fake poll to refresh so you could "freep" it some more?

Come on, you can tell me. Just between you and me.

Posted by: ace at September 28, 2016 06:04 PM (dciA+)

112 Hope that ban-hammer is warmed up. <Grabs popcorn and jumps into barcalounger>

Posted by: Smitty27 at September 28, 2016 06:04 PM (g9d8D)

113 Poor dear thinks we still have free speech.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened
charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at September 28, 2016 06:00
PM (kXoT0)

And another one wakes up even more..
My mother has a nun friend in the US, who I have NEVER known to talk politics but is enthusiastically Trump.

Which is the other part of the equation....people who never really cared before liking Trump....even quietly. People just shutting up and ready to vote for him in November....like people quietly voted for Brexit.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 28, 2016 06:04 PM (cBWom)

114 Since we're past 100 posts, I'm making a low-carb cauliflower recipe I found at DietDoc on line yesterday.

Cauliflower smothered in pureed cooked broccoli, melted cream cheese, cheddar cheese, and heavy cream, the baked for 40 minutes.

The calorie-conscious me is screaming inside.

We'll see.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 06:04 PM (1ZOkK)

115 which is what they say they are right at the bottom of the poll.

Posted by: ace at September 28, 2016 05:59 PM (dciA+)

It's akin to TV show viewership, to a limited extent.

It shows relative interest in a topic, for a subset of people, but not in an I love science sexually sort of way.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable at September 28, 2016 06:05 PM (GX63o)

116 >>>You either missed a /sarc tag or you can shove that attitude where the sun don't shine, Guido.

i think some people just don't know this and are kind of hurt to hear it at all.

Posted by: ace at September 28, 2016 06:05 PM (dciA+)

117 19 Trump is using them the same way democrats use fixed polls as part of psychological warfare.

Should we now bash Trump for using the same tricks democrats use, to help create the perception that he won the debate?

Perception trumps reality. The fact that the networks are threatening their hosts not to use it should indicate how effective a propaganda tool it can be. How accurate it is, is really beside the point.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 28, 2016 05:46 PM (5JBUT)

Kids who vote in online polls don't like Hillary. They think it's funny to vote for Trump. Let's hope they laugh all the way to the voting booth in November.

And Bernie is losing credibility every time he opens his mouth supporting that bitch. I am beginning to believe he was a fraud who ran just to keep liberals on the D plantation.

Posted by: Bernette at September 28, 2016 06:05 PM (ru2SK)

118 I don't know why college educated folks would think Trump is stupid or dumb. Living in So Cal, we see a lot of trust fund babies and let me tell you, they can redefine dumb - blowing away millions in stupid investments and high falutin lifestyles. Trump to his credit built on what his father started - made his empire bigger than probably even what his father thought possible. I think the main thing is that he does not talk refined, like Romney or Obama - and for a lot of folks how you talk, never mind what you are actually saying, matters.

Posted by: IC at September 28, 2016 06:05 PM (a0IVu)

119 I also have an ax to grind with my side constantly spouting off about "crowd sizes." The number of people who show up at a rally doesn't mean SHIT.

Exactly, people keep yelling about how big the rallies are for Trump. So? Obama could hardly draw 1000 people in 2012. Boy that sure sunk him huh? Remember that Stevie Wonder benefit concert at the college that drew like 80 people?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 28, 2016 06:05 PM (39g3+)

120
Please -- it's college-attended, under-educated voters.

As Milo has often asserted, those people come out of college dumber than when they entered.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 06:05 PM (QgDuz)

121 >>I drove 70 miles today through two lib cities, one is also a
sanctuary city didn't see any yard signs or bumper stickers for
either.

Interesting.
It could also be a sign that neither candidate's GoTV team has gone door to door offering them signs to put in their yard. That happened in 2012 - Obama people roaming the neighborhood giving away Obama signs. Romney campaign sent me my ordered swag - magnet bumper stickers - after over 1 month waiting. It arrived the day *after* the election.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2016 06:06 PM (NOIQH)

122 The only Pole I ever cite is Walt Kowalski.

"I used to stack fucks like you five feet high in Korea - used you like sandbags."

"I'm no hero. I was just try to get that babbling g9ok off my lawn."

Posted by: Chi at September 28, 2016 06:06 PM (jbaCx)

123 sorry, if you didn't know these were fake polls, if you're still "freeping" them like people were when they were naive about these things 12 years ago, that's on you, not on me for having to tell you something obvious.
****************

Where's your proof that Trump doesn't know these are fake polls?

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 28, 2016 06:06 PM (5JBUT)

124 I drove through Brighton CO (smallish town) and there was a bunch of Hillary and Bennet signs in one business yard. I figured that business must have closed up because as a business would you risk alienating customers? But it might have been a bail bondsman place, there are a slew of those in that town because of being the host of county jail and courthouse.

I've also seen a few Hillary/Kaine signs on my commute. Way less bumper stickers than last couple of years but my "science" co-workers are always in the tank for Dems. So unscientific of them since R presidents have tended to fund science more generously than the Ds who have little dough left after paying off their cronies.

Posted by: Palerider at September 28, 2016 06:06 PM (dkExz)

125 Ace, will you do a story on the seizure she had during the debate? It happened at 1:19:00 when Trump was talking about "temperament". C-Span has a split screen where Trump watches her and mouths "seizure".

It was when she was so-called "shimmying"... and just like her weirdness with the balloons, her people were instructed to make it viral and celebrate it as "awesome!". She is used to hiding it. It's either a seizure or some sort of dyskenesia. Not sure it matters which. The woman is ill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaECKYARbss

Posted by: Mega at September 28, 2016 06:07 PM (EdXI9)

126
Cauliflower smothered in pureed cooked broccoli, melted cream cheese, cheddar cheese, and heavy cream, the baked for 40 minutes

I like to make cauliflower "mashed" potatoes... Just stem them and put in processor with 4 ounces of cream cheese and a little cream... pretty good...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 28, 2016 06:07 PM (O2RFr)

127 It was really depressing to hear Rush spouting the BS about those online polls. He's intentionally deceiving his listeners.

Meanwhile, a legit NBC poll shows Hillary won the debate by around a 50-20% margin.

This was an epic takedown by Clinton, and might have won her the election.

And, unlike in 2012 when Obama knew he stunk and said so, Trump and his supporters think he did fine.

Posted by: Dr Smith at September 28, 2016 06:07 PM (+KgnD)

128 Those college educated twits will never tell a pollster they are voting for yucky Trump. However, once they consider Hilary s tax plan for all their money ...

Posted by: Jean at September 28, 2016 06:07 PM (ngn8T)

129 4 out of 5 dentists agree that the fifth is an asshole.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 28, 2016 06:07 PM (kTF2Z)

130 Eric on The Five just showed a map of FL with the state divided by Trump, Hell Beast, and undecideds.

The fastest growing town in America is The Villages: college-educated, relatively well-off retirees who are going Trump.

Make of the above what you will.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 06:07 PM (1ZOkK)

131 That Trump doesn't have a solid grasp of the sort of facts usually discussed in Presidential debates and does not seem gung-ho in learning them should not be news to anybody.

Posted by: AD at September 28, 2016 06:07 PM (eLbjL)

132 >>>It's akin to TV show viewership, to a limited extent.

It shows relative interest in a topic, for a subset of people, but not in an I love science sexually sort of way.

...

no it isn't. TV viewership is random-sample. Nielsen chooses families to sample randomly.

IT's the random sample that MAKES A POLL A POLL. If you have no protocols to indicate that this is a random selection of all possible people, you have no scientific basis to make the important conclusion: "And therefore this should represent ALL people, within the margin of error."

Online polls are self-selecting samples with not even a pretense of random seleciton and are determined by who cares enough about a bullshit fake poll to even waste his time with a mouse-click.

Posted by: ace at September 28, 2016 06:07 PM (dciA+)

133
"Betty, or Wilma? "

Pebbles

Posted by: Roman Polanski at September 28, 2016 06:08 PM (IqV8l)

134 Watching Trump over the course of his campaign, my impression of him has gone from thinking he's a stupid man who says stupid things to thinking he's a smart man who says stupid things.

I'm more inclined to believe then that he knows these "online polls" aren't worth a shit but pushes them anyway because of their psychological influence.

Heck I know they're fake and even then it's making me wonder if Trump really did win the debate handily.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 28, 2016 06:08 PM (5JBUT)

135 They're chum for the dumb.

Okay...this is a partial recovery from your fiasco of not being able to rhyme with Hofstra.....

[Michelle Malkin came up with "Coughstra," which isn't awful]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 28, 2016 06:08 PM (Zu3d9)

136
Thank you Allahpundit, I mean Ace...

And another schmoe enters Thunderdome armed only with a dullard's wit...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 06:08 PM (QgDuz)

137

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 28, 2016 06:09 PM (Zu3d9)

138 They're not REAL, for God's sakes.

To even argue they are "kinda real" is to expose yourself for being completely ignorant about what makes a poll a poll.

Do you think if I polled people at your mother's birthday party about who they think is the best mom in America, that wouold constitute a valid poll?

Would you insist ABCNews publish your poll numbers?

Posted by: ace at September 28, 2016 06:09 PM (dciA+)

139 Everyone knows those online polls are biased and unreliable.

Posted by: Lester Holt: Registered Republican at September 28, 2016 06:09 PM (qJhUV)

140 Where's your proof that Trump doesn't know these are fake polls?
-------------

There are still a lot of people... on both sides.... who don't have a clue how Trump works, or how he has gotten into this position.

Posted by: Mega at September 28, 2016 06:09 PM (EdXI9)

141 Within that Venn Diagram of Gullible/unsophisticated/maligned/fed up/frustrated/unfree/silenced/struggling are a lot of people, and they're not saying a word. Theyre pushing a button that says "Hell No." And some of them have postgraduate degrees and can remember voting for Dukakis.

Posted by: Black Moon at September 28, 2016 06:09 PM (644qL)

142 Mitt Romney drew 20k people to a rally in
Pennsylvania the week before the election. He went on to lose the state
by six (!) points.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at September 28, 2016 06:01 PM (Rtyzj)

Yeah, But President Dumbass was also drawing his 20,000 people out to rallies too.
The desiccated corpse of Hillary, when it's being dragged out, doesn't have those cheering throngs outside of schools and union halls.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 28, 2016 06:09 PM (cBWom)

143 >>I don't know why college educated folks would think Trump is stupid or dumb.

Because he's the Republican candidate.
Every Republican is dumb. Dumb dumb dumb dumb. Doesn't matter if they are credentialed, such as having a Harvard MBA (W) or are successful in another profession.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2016 06:09 PM (NOIQH)

144 Bout time that I was here when some ass kicking took place, I always miss them and have to read about it later.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 28, 2016 06:09 PM (6Ll1u)

145 CBD just dodged the barrel.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 06:09 PM (1ZOkK)

146 "It's hard to vote for a guy you not only suspect you're smarter than (this happens in most elections) but are sure you're a lot smarter than."

I find this hard to understand. Why is he dumber than you or me?

He's a billion dollar empire for decades. He's managed through booms and busts and survived. He's employed thousands of people.

He's managed to establish and manage world-class customer service, catering, and, benefits services. Multiple facilities, multiple countries over and over again.

How can one think he's "dumb."

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 28, 2016 06:09 PM (QEi8/)

147 Its extremely good for Trump supporters to see this kind of stuff objectively and accurately. The guy will probably lose and you need to be ready for that, not blindsided.

You don't want to be that guy sitting weeping in front of the TV watching the results go by as you feel your entire future crushed because you were counting on some jackwagon politician that doesn't know you or give a damn about you.

Know the facts, be ready.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 28, 2016 06:10 PM (39g3+)

148 Yes, court the Intellectual-yet-idiots.

Posted by: nip at September 28, 2016 06:10 PM (L5nkE)

149 The sole goal of online polls is to troll the proles.

Posted by: Cole Knowles at September 28, 2016 06:10 PM (iFgwk)

150 >>Meanwhile, a legit NBC poll shows Hillary won the debate by around a 50-20% margin.

Also an online poll.

But you knew that.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 06:10 PM (/tuJf)

151 It's hard to vote for a guy you not only suspect you're smarter than (this happens in most elections) but are sure you're a lot smarter than.

Unless the other choice is Hillary Clinton. Then it's a no-brainer.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 28, 2016 06:11 PM (rwI+c)

152 Scientific polls are two words like military justice and common sense. They do not go together. By their very definition no poll is scientific. They are "opinion surveys" taken at a given instance. There is no "science" involved, only opinions.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 28, 2016 06:11 PM (mpXpK)

153 Meanwhile, a legit NBC poll shows Hillary won the debate by around a 50-20% margin.
***************

Is that the same poll with a +40 D sample?

Breitbart did a real poll indicating 5% more thought Hillary won, but Trump came across as more genuine, etc.

That definitely rings true to me.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 28, 2016 06:11 PM (5JBUT)

154 CBD just dodged the barrel.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 06:09 PM (1ZOkK)

he can't hold his booze

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2016 06:11 PM (Ozsfq)

155 >>>The fastest growing town in America is The Villages: college-educated, relatively well-off retirees who are going Trump.

Make of the above what you will.

...

well that's good. However, nationally, he's doing poorly with college educated voters. Romney got like 51%; Trump's pulling like 36%. Big, bad difference.

Now, can he get some of these NeverTrump types, who are Too Sophisticated to Vote for the Choice of the Lower Orders? (This is how they see themselves.)

Maybe: But he has to stop projecting the image of being a carnival barker for bumpkins.

Posted by: ace at September 28, 2016 06:11 PM (dciA+)

156 The JEF is pissed off that his veto was overridden!
It's first time.

Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 06:11 PM (sj3Ax)

157 Speaking of Poles, I was saddened to hear Norb Schemansky passed away September 7. NORB HAD A BEAUTIFUL SNATCH
RIP

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 06:11 PM (d3Ee6)

158 Actually Obama's rallies in 2008 and 2012 were huge - 100,000 in Missouri on 10/18/2008 and 75,000 in Kansas City also in October 2008; 4200 in Colorado in August 2012, etc. So crowd size does matter - its all about enthusiasm.

Posted by: IC at September 28, 2016 06:11 PM (a0IVu)

159 I also have a problem with the argument about Trump voters reluctant to tell a pollster they're voting for Trump. Um...why exactly? It's just some disembodied voice on the phone that you will never meet or hear from again. Why the hell is it Fright Night to admit anonymously to some hipster doing a Summer internship at Gallup that you're voting for Trump?

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at September 28, 2016 06:11 PM (Rtyzj)

160
A bit confused by the post. Is referring to stupid online polls the thing that Trump has done that hurts him with "educated" voters? I find it hard to believe this sort of thing has any impact on significant impact on any voters, who probably will never hear of it at all.

And isn't Trump actually winning or tied, pretty much, given the date and looking at the actual polling (well, the public polling anyway)?

Also not sure how Trump should appeal to the educated cohort. Interesting question, maybe morons can chime in with ideas.

"Educated" voters mostly marinate in the same idiot marinade as everyone else. Maybe they smell of the NPR flavor, or a less fancy variety. But few of them escape it entirely, few of them have a framework to intelligently approach public policy, much less solid info to put into that framework.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 28, 2016 06:13 PM (QDnY+)

161 Horde! Today is National Drink Beer Day! I will lift a cold frosty adult beverage in your general direction to celebrate the day! Cheers!

Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at September 28, 2016 06:13 PM (9iR5/)

162 This was an epic takedown by Clinton, and might have won her the election.
--------

No it wasn't. Trump played his own game that night and advertised himself to undecideds. People who aren't swayed by politics and emails and racism. Let's see how the undecideds shake out over the next week or so.

Posted by: Mega at September 28, 2016 06:13 PM (EdXI9)

163 I'd tell a pollster but I'm more reluctant to say much to acquaintances... Close friends yes.....

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 28, 2016 06:13 PM (O2RFr)

164 Ace,

Trying to get an answer why people think it's relevant to quote the result of "focus groups," but not online polls? 20 people; may have lied about being undecided; subject to heavy peer-pressure by talking about opinions on live TV-- but online polls are worse?

Note: I agree with your over-all point about Trump trying to appear more informed (though I'm not sure he can) but I really fucking hate focus groups, and think online polls are preferable. And I still think Trump probably puts this in the bag, if he can just avoid disqualifying himself in the next two (no "oops" moment, even if there's word-salad).

Posted by: trickamsterdam at September 28, 2016 06:13 PM (/JTXw)

165
Trump is a carnival barker

Posted by: Deplorabe Male Logic at September 28, 2016 06:13 PM (lKyWE)

166 142 Mitt Romney drew 20k people to a rally in
Pennsylvania the week before the election. He went on to lose the state
by six (!) points.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at September 28, 2016 06:01 PM (Rtyzj)

Yeah, But President Dumbass was also drawing his 20,000 people out to rallies too.
The desiccated corpse of Hillary, when it's being dragged out, doesn't have those cheering throngs outside of schools and union halls.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 28, 2016 06:09 PM (cBWom)
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually, Obama was speaking to 3/4 empty arenas in 2012 and Drudge would always show huge pictures comparing the size of the rallies.

Goes to prove how rally attendance means absolutely nothing in campaigns and the same goes for lawn signs.

Posted by: Dr Smith at September 28, 2016 06:14 PM (+KgnD)

167 Our son goes to university with a lot of kids from not just here, but around the world.

He's constantly amazed at how stupid the American students are. Of course, he's older and hardened by war, but he cannot get over how "sensitive" his younger, fellow students are. And yes, his campus issues "trigger warnings" and offers safe spaces. Most of these snowflakes are either disappointed Berniebots, or full-on Hilbots. Hopefully, the majority will get stoned and forget to vote.

Large number of vets attend, and they laugh and mock.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 06:14 PM (1ZOkK)

168
What's the average weight of respondents in that NBC poll?

I'm guessing 400 pounds or someplace north of there...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 06:14 PM (QgDuz)

169 >>He's managed to establish and manage world-class customer service,
catering, and, benefits services. Multiple facilities, multiple
countries over and over again.

Also had a hit tv show for years. I never watched it, but a lot of people did. That doesn't just happen.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2016 06:14 PM (NOIQH)

170 Every now and again theres good comments on other blogs too...

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/245017/#respond

Posted by: JEM at September 28, 2016 06:14 PM (TppKb)

171 "Breitbart did a real poll indicating 5% more thought Hillary won, but Trump came across as more genuine, etc.

That definitely rings true to me.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 28, 2016 06:11 PM (5JBUT)"

This is true. Breitbart may perform a daily colonoscopy on Mr.Trump in the articles and the comments but the polling work they do with Gravis is legit.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at September 28, 2016 06:14 PM (Rtyzj)

172 CBD just dodged the barrel.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
----------------

Guess he couldn't 'Ford a bold close tag?

Posted by: Chi at September 28, 2016 06:14 PM (jbaCx)

173 MonkeySurvey - the most trusted name in polling. Seriously?

I guess in the big Venn diagram of all possible surveys, there could be an overlap between an online poll and reality, but I wouldn't bet on there being too many.

Posted by: Loren T. Mofo at September 28, 2016 06:14 PM (w5cak)

174 159
I also have a problem with the argument about Trump voters reluctant to
tell a pollster they're voting for Trump. Um...why exactly?

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at September 28, 2016 06:11 PM (Rtyzj)

I snack on chocolate in celebration when journalists pass away. I'll happily lie to pollsters all day.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 28, 2016 06:14 PM (cBWom)

175 I just hang up when a pollster calls me which has happened exactly twice since I live in Cali. But if its an online poll, sure, I'll play along and vote. I know it's unscientific and all, but is fun. A lot more fun than talking to someone on the phone.

Posted by: IC at September 28, 2016 06:14 PM (a0IVu)

176 Usually, you can "hack" these polls by deleting your cookies and boting again. I've written scripts to automatically clear cookies and vote again..

Hey, we were wondering if you were available for a contract job? It pays really well, work from home. Also, you know how to wipe hard drives?

Posted by: The DNC at September 28, 2016 06:14 PM (SeD0w)

177 I think ace should put up an online poll asking us whether we take online polls.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 28, 2016 06:14 PM (sdi6R)

178 Trump would be winning if he was pulling college educated voters at Romney's level, or even close to it.
He's doing very well with less-educated whites -- as he predicted.
However, he's lost huge support from college-educated whites.
This class is very class-conscience and proud to be "educated." They're very proud that they have degrees. Like 67 million other Americans, or about 36% of the US population age 25 and above.

I'd sure like to know where these people are. I and nearly every college educated friend i have is voting for Trump.

Or maybe I'm just living in the right state.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 28, 2016 06:15 PM (drrsd)

179 "The fastest growing town in America is The Villages"

The Early Bird Special is one Hell of a draw.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 28, 2016 06:15 PM (QEi8/)

180 Obama was an incumbent. Hillary is not. That really does make a difference.

Posted by: TPC at September 28, 2016 06:15 PM (a6FcN)

181 >>>>>Meanwhile, a legit NBC poll shows Hillary won the debate by around a 50-20% margin.

well there are two kinds of online polls:

The completely self-selecting ones which are for entertainment purposes only, and are a joke.

Then there are the ones where the company attempts to contact what it guesses is a random sample and it polls them.

The latter kind of poll.... is also shitty and most people do not believe them.

However, with the latter, at least there is some *argument* that could be made that they mean *something*, even if they're not very accurate.

I assume the NBC poll was of the latter sort -- where they contacted people from a large database and got them to agree to watch the debate.

but obviously if it's original guess as to a representative sample was skewed -- which it almost MUSt be, as this is all guesswork -- the poll becomes either "inaccurate" or "just plain meaningless."

Posted by: ace at September 28, 2016 06:15 PM (dciA+)

182 This was an epic takedown by Clinton, and might have won her the election.

Posted by: Dr Smith at September 28, 2016 06:07 PM (+KgnD)

Wipe the drool off your chin, there's been nothing epic about her, ever.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 28, 2016 06:15 PM (ASSjT)

183 >>>161 Horde! Today is National Drink Beer Day! I will lift a cold frosty adult beverage in your general direction to celebrate the day! Cheers!
Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at September 28, 2016 06:13 PM (9iR5/)

YOU'RE MY BOY BLUE!!!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 06:16 PM (d3Ee6)

184 "Pebbles"

BamBam.

Posted by: Harry "Henderson" at September 28, 2016 06:16 PM (644qL)

185 There are still a lot of people... on both sides.... who don't have a clue how Trump works, or how he has gotten into this position.
*************************

I could understand that since I was the same way. Trump constantly saying stupid things naturally led me to think he was an idiot.

But now having watched him for over a year, I believe he's much more shrewd and calculating than he lets on.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 28, 2016 06:16 PM (5JBUT)

186 There is a poll done by UPI that is an "online poll" of the second type which I *Could* cite... but it is also deemed a piece of shit.

Posted by: ace at September 28, 2016 06:16 PM (dciA+)

187
155 >>>The fastest growing town in America is The Villages: college-educated, relatively well-off retirees who are going Trump.

You are Number Six.

I am not a number -- I am a free man!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 06:16 PM (QgDuz)

188 Trump is a carnival barker
Posted by: Deplorabe Male Logic at September 28, 2016 06:13 PM (lKyWE)

Billy
I wonder what he'll think of me
I guess he'll call me the "old man"
I guess he'll think i can lick
Ev'ry other feller's father
Well, i can!
I bet that he'll turn out to be
The spittin' image of his dad
But he'll have more common sense
Than his puddin-headed father ever had
I'll teach him to wrestle
And dive through a wave
When we go in the mornin's for our swim
His mother can teach him
The way to behave
But she won't make a sissy out o' him
Not him! Not my boy! Not bill!
Bill... My boy bill

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2016 06:16 PM (Ozsfq)

189 IT's the random sample that MAKES A POLL A POLL.
Posted by: ace at September 28, 2016 06:07 PM (dciA+)

Well, if that isn't just a big ol' buzzkill, I don't know what is.

The war over methodology has been lost at the academic level as well. We can't hope to make the man on the street care when phd's get this kind of crap, the academic equivalent of online polls, published in peer reviewed journals.

I had a friend who was in statistics here at UT Austin. His job was to help professors with the use of statistics in their research. Talk about whack a mole. And a thankless job, too.

Posted by: TexasDan at September 28, 2016 06:16 PM (FnuZG)

190 Heh. A Fox reporter was covering The Villages after a Trump appearance.

He said things got "rowdy" during Happy Hour over politics.

Bwahahaha.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 06:17 PM (1ZOkK)

191 The fastest growing town in America is The Villages

The Pines of Mar Gables, Phase II.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 28, 2016 06:17 PM (rwI+c)

192 Dr Smith is right!

Posted by: Dr Larry at September 28, 2016 06:17 PM (8ZskC)

193 "And therefore this should represent ALL people, within the margin of error."

Posted by: ace at September 28, 2016 06:07 PM (dciA+)

Are people actually making this assumption about these online polls?

I don't get that feeling.

And TV show ratings must come to a statistically reliable conclusion about total numbers, because there are amounts to be spent. But what matters it measures is relative interest. Same thing. It's just a less reliable indicator, if you are trying to extrapolate to the entire population, which, it is agreed, is ridiculous.

But that does not diminish their usefulness. Dems are highly susceptible depressing their turnout this election. Make shit up out of thin air, if you have to convince them to stay home. I'll use those numbers to keep the dimwits home.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable at September 28, 2016 06:17 PM (GX63o)

194
Actually, Obama was speaking to 3/4 empty arenas in
2012 and Drudge would always show huge pictures comparing the size of
the rallies.

Posted by: Dr Smith at September 28, 2016 06:14 PM (+KgnD)

These images look like a lot of people....

http://tinyurl.com/z3prk4a

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 28, 2016 06:17 PM (cBWom)

195 If Hillary wins, it will be the first presidential election in my lifetime where I never saw a single bumper sticker or yard sign for a running candidate.

Posted by: washrivergal madly and deeply deplorable at September 28, 2016 06:17 PM (CFc5L)

196 Levin needs to take an anti-phlegm or something. He coughs, chokes, binds up more than any other radio guy I know.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 28, 2016 06:18 PM (QEi8/)

197 Worked up over any online poll? I doubt it. Trump is just trolling. It's his style.

Posted by: Mark Kirk Democrat for U.S. Senate 2016 at September 28, 2016 06:18 PM (d76uN)

198 * silently mouths words to internal memo with blank, uncomprehending stare *

Unbelievable!

Posted by: Sean Hannity at September 28, 2016 06:18 PM (57K5j)

199 Hillary couldn't pull in more than 200 in a leftist university in the middle of a leftist city.

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2016 06:18 PM (ofpt4)

200
155 >>>The fastest growing town in America is The Villages: college-educated, relatively well-off retirees who are going Trump.

Y'mean she DESTROYED Trump?

Do try to keep up with the more idiotic Interwebz memes and tropes.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 06:18 PM (QgDuz)

201 Solid advice offered, but I doubt he'll take it. It's like the "I fought against Iraq war" stuff he needless keeps getting dragged into. All he has to say to media is "you keep hitting me on this. There is evidence I was against it. Hillary was for it and she was in a position to make a difference. Her judgment sucks."

No, he has to go on about how he "fought against it" and there was a "delegation sent" to shut him up. And so, we're talking about that instead of how awful Hillary is.

Posted by: duke at September 28, 2016 06:18 PM (EQNFN)

202 The number of people who show up at a rally doesn't mean SHIT.

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Grammar question: If something doesn't mean shit, is that the opposite of meaning shit, and, if so, which is better? Does CAPITALIZATION influence this interpretation? If I see a sign with an arrow that says SHIT, should I ignore it? How does this affect pick up your dog's poop signs?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 28, 2016 06:19 PM (Nwg0u)

203 Dr Smith is right!

We're doomed?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 28, 2016 06:19 PM (rwI+c)

204 Lots of people other than me are sick

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2016 06:19 PM (ofpt4)

205 The people who do the polling interviews are paid poorly and are disproportionately from pro-D demographics (single mothers, college students, etc). Professionalism is not required. Some of these people will do their rotations like "So are you voting for *sniff* *cough* *ugh* *gross* DONALD JAYEE DRUMPF I MEAN TRUMP or *perky* Hillary Rodham!Clinton!"

Doesn't mean Trump is secretly plus 10 or anything, but that kind of attitude problem affects interviews at the margins and drives his numbers down a little more than might otherwise happen.

Posted by: TPC at September 28, 2016 06:19 PM (a6FcN)

206 Dr Smith is right!

Danger Will Robinson?

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 28, 2016 06:19 PM (O2RFr)

207 This is true. Breitbart may perform a daily colonoscopy on Mr.Trump in the articles and the comments but the polling work they do with Gravis is legit.
*************

I definitely give them credit for this, even with all the upswing in Trump momentum their poll still shows Hillary slightly ahead.

I think Caddell either consults or helps manages the Gravis work so that helps me trust it more.

I believed Hillary won, but not by much and that Trump came across as more unpolished and hence more authentic, which is exactly what their poll showed.

Anyone thinking it was a blowout on either side is being way too partisan.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 28, 2016 06:20 PM (5JBUT)

208
The quote was supposed to be the "epic takedown" howler.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 06:20 PM (QgDuz)

209 Poles? Warsaw has fallen!

Posted by: Pug Henry at September 28, 2016 06:20 PM (HgMAr)

210 203
Dr Smith is right!

We're doomed?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 28, 2016 06:19 PM (rwI+c)

Run Will, run....
Dr. Smith should not have been left to babysitting duties...

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 28, 2016 06:20 PM (cBWom)

211 went to Italy to take made the mistake of posting on Monday that she was voting for Trump. She is sweet, upbeat, happy, charming, and an extremely talented painter. In less than an hour, she lost 13 "friends", had to unfriend one woman who kept posting nasty links onto the artist's page even after being asked very nicely to stop, and got threats to sabotage her career. She was astonished at the bile, vitriol, and sheer bull headed behavior of those Liberal friends. She posted ruefully later that she had no idea that saying one is somewhat Conservative is no longer acceptable. Poor dear thinks we still have free speech.

The Berners who are supporting Stein are getting lots of Twitter hate. Um, I don't think that will help convince them to vote HRC, but what do I know?

Posted by: Bernette at September 28, 2016 06:20 PM (ru2SK)

212 >>>197 Worked up over any online poll? I doubt it. Trump is just trolling. It's his style.

This^1000. Trump is genius black belt level troll. Same with the Bill sex stuff - masterful trolling.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 06:20 PM (d3Ee6)

213 162 This was an epic takedown by Clinton, and might have won her the election.
--------

No it wasn't. Trump played his own game that night and advertised himself to undecideds. People who aren't swayed by politics and emails and racism. Let's see how the undecideds shake out over the next week or so.
Posted by: Mega at September 28, 2016 06:13 PM (EdXI9)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
That's nonsense. Trump played to the undecideds when he aced the first 20 minutes of the debate during the discussion on trade. He was in command of the issue and Hillary was on the defensive.

Then the tax returns issue came up, Trump pouted and reverted to obnoxiousness and devoted the rest of the debate to addressing every single criticism from Hillary and ignoring her pathetic record.

And he compounds the problem by dwelling on the "miss piggy" issue the day after the debate when good candidates use that time to clarify attacks on their opponent that they might have missed the day before (and Lord knows he missed a ton).

By not bothering to prep for the debate, Trump is basically laughing in the faces of us who voted for him in the primary and treating us like suckers for putting our trust in him. I can't believe there are people still giving money to the guy after he humiliated himself in that debate. I won't send any more money unless it looks like he can win.

Posted by: Dr Smith at September 28, 2016 06:20 PM (+KgnD)

214 Levin needs to take an anti-phlegm or something. He coughs, chokes, binds up more than any other radio guy I know.

He's got a voice for print.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 28, 2016 06:21 PM (rwI+c)

215 Like 67 million other Americans, or about 36% of the US population age 25 and above.

I'm not going to bother looking it up, but 36% seems high to me. I thought less than 20% of all American's had 4 year degrees. Maybe your stat includes Associates Degrees + had "some college."

Posted by: The DNC at September 28, 2016 06:21 PM (SeD0w)

216 Agree that online polls are largely useless, but isn't it something that Trump destroys Clinton on all of these because of supporter intensity?

Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:21 PM (onbPc)

217 Clinton +100 in American Association of Imaginary Friends poll

Posted by: THIS JUST IN!!!! at September 28, 2016 06:21 PM (qJhUV)

218 "Grammar question: If something doesn't mean shit, is that the opposite of meaning shit, and, if so, which is better? Does CAPITALIZATION influence this interpretation? If I see a sign with an arrow that says SHIT, should I ignore it? How does this affect pick up your dog's poop signs?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 28, 2016 06:19 PM (Nwg0u)"

It is what we in The Villages call an idiom.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at September 28, 2016 06:22 PM (Rtyzj)

219 Okay. Off to try out the low-carb "Cauliflower Cheese" recipe.

Will report back in the next Health Thread.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 06:22 PM (1ZOkK)

220 This post is an awful lot of drama about nothing. Yeah, online polls are meaningless click-bait that only suckers pay attention too.

The point is, that there are a LOT of suckers out there - and plenty of college-educate people are included in that class. You want that idiotic piece of propaganda helping you instead of hurting you, and if it might help you brag about it.

If the day comes where everybody really DOES realize that online polls are nonsense, then guys like Trump (who, you can be sure is not planning the rest of his campaign based on them) will sure as hell stop bragging about them.

One other thing - what online polls really are is ENTERTAINMENT. It's like a goddamn horoscope.

And a second other thing. The whole Won/Lost obsession about debates is also CRAP.

Meanwhile, the media is focusing on how Trump allegedly called a beauty contestant who gain weight in excess of 50%(!) "fat" - TWENTY YEARS AGO - and is fairly disinterested in how The First Woman President caused one of the largest national security fiascos in history in order to hide all her crooked activity while Secretary of State.

Tell me who's stupid and uneducated again?

Posted by: Optimizer at September 28, 2016 06:22 PM (EnK/R)

221

Ok

Can someone tell CNN to stop using Poll Daddy polls for the same reason

Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 06:23 PM (apNqt)

222 Stateless Infidel,
I've seen Trump bumper stickers since last summer or early fall. I haven't seen yard signs & I live within 6 miles of Boston.

Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 06:23 PM (sj3Ax)

223 Hope Vic is OK. Storms look rough.

May impact his bandwidth for VNN.

Posted by: Golfman at September 28, 2016 06:23 PM (48QDY)

224
I know it is much beloved of the horde, and amusing to relate the latest anecdata, but rally attendance and bumper stickers really aren't very good indicators of election outcomes.

Harmless fun, but 2012 was at least a fairly clear illustration of the point. Obama had miserable rallies (they kept having to move events to smaller venues). Towards the end, Romney drew big enthusiastic crowds. We all know how that turned out.

The Dem vote is much more robotic, tribalistic, organized, permanent (and yes, though not material to presidential outcomes, much more fraudulent). Thus 2012 - limp "base" behavior, pretty limp incumbent campaign ..... easy victory. GOP side (meaning non-Dem, really) is more complicated.

Happier to see big Trump enthusiasm than the alternative (and her campaign has been limp from the get-go), but not thinking it foretells much in particular.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 28, 2016 06:24 PM (QDnY+)

225

CNN poll daddy polls are no different

Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 06:24 PM (apNqt)

226 Trump is a carnival barker

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Hill is a legitimate barker. Arf arf arf!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 28, 2016 06:24 PM (Nwg0u)

227 "Tell me who's stupid and uneducated again?"

Fuckin a dude.

Posted by: nip at September 28, 2016 06:24 PM (L5nkE)

228 What I don't understand is the conservative that hangs up on pollsters to "mess with them"

Why?

I do unfortunately believe that polls can become a self-fulfilling prophesy.

people don't want to be part of a lost cause. When a football team is winning, they sell out the stadium. A horrible team? Not so much.

So to mess with a pollster seems secondary to doing something that can help win the election. Embarassing pollsters is way down on my list right now.

Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:24 PM (onbPc)

229 "The fastest growing town in America is The Villages"

The Early Bird Special is one Hell of a draw.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 28, 2016 06:15 PM (QEi8/)
.............

Is that the place where Kramer ran for condo president?

Posted by: wth at September 28, 2016 06:24 PM (HgMAr)

230 Someone's very concerned...

Posted by: Afroman at September 28, 2016 06:25 PM (3ZFTz)

231 Apropos of nothing, Ruger 10/22 Carbine .22LR with Black Synthetic Stock and Stainless Steel Barrel $239.99 Delivered.

http://bit.ly/2d5E1oF

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 28, 2016 06:25 PM (rwI+c)

232 The number of people who show up at a rally doesn't mean SHIT.
**************************

It points to enthusiasm, which points to turnout. People are wildly enthusiastic about Trump, Hillary not so much. People will wait 12 hours in line to vote for Trump. How many will do the same for Hillary?

That's why she's relying on the fear factor to drive turnout. She knows she can evoke all the passion of a damp rag, so the only weapon she has left to drive turnout is to make people shit their pants at the thought of a trump presidency.

It's telling that over the course of my daily life I either see Trump signs or faded Bernie Sanders stickers.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 28, 2016 06:25 PM (5JBUT)

233

CNNs polldaddy polls are no better thsn Drudges

Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 06:25 PM (apNqt)

234
162 This was an epic takedown by Clinton, and might have won her the election.

Yep Trumpt up trickle down sure took off like wildfire didn't it

Posted by: Deplorabe Male Logic at September 28, 2016 06:25 PM (lKyWE)

235 229 "The fastest growing town in America is The Villages"

The Early Bird Special is one Hell of a draw.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 28, 2016 06:15 PM (QEi8/)
.............

Is that the place where Kramer ran for condo president?
Posted by: wth at September 28, 2016 06:24 PM (HgMAr)

Wasn't that Del Boca Vista?

Posted by: buzzion at September 28, 2016 06:25 PM (z/Ubi)

236 @215 Like 67 million other Americans, or about 36% of the US population age 25 and above.

I'm not going to bother looking it up, but 36% seems high to me. I thought less than 20% of all American's had 4 year degrees. Maybe your stat includes Associates Degrees + had "some college."
Posted by: The DNC at September 28, 2016 06:21 PM (SeD0w)

Last I heard, it was about 25%, with maybe 35% or so having at least done SOME college. But that was probably 10 or 20 years ago. It could certainly be higher now.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 28, 2016 06:26 PM (EnK/R)

237 Thing is, lying obviously has worked well for Hillary. Maybe it can work for Trump too?

It has made her fabulously wealthy and immune from prosecution from even the most obvious crimes.

She is basically royalty thanks to her non stop lying and nobodies ability to do a damn thing about it.

The congressional hearings have been a complete farce and total waste of time. They have accomplished nothing.

Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at September 28, 2016 06:26 PM (NAv1Q)

238 like i've been saying, do a poll of who people think will win (not who they want to win or who they will vote for).

sometimes i think people here are enthusiastic that trump will win, other times i get the impression people here are resigned that clinton will win.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 28, 2016 06:26 PM (WTSFk)

239 Like several pundits and folks have said already before: who won the debate is relevant only to pointy headed wonks and political junkies. To voters, the "winner" is irrelevant. Each candidate had something they had to do this debate.

Trump had to look professional and not go crazy or say something really embarrassing.
Clinton had to seem likable and not have a health issue like coughing or eyes going wonky.

Trump succeeded, putting to lie the "he's a demented monster" narrative about him with low info non political types.

Clinton partly succeeded by not having health issues, but didn't come across as particularly likable.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 28, 2016 06:26 PM (39g3+)

240 >>Harmless fun, but 2012 was at least a fairly clear illustration of the point. Obama had miserable rallies (they kept having to move events to smaller venues). Towards the end, Romney drew big enthusiastic crowds. We all know how that turned out.

You don't have to go back to 2012. Look at the primaries. Bernie drew huge crowds while Hillary was struggling to fill a coffee shop.

Didn't work out so well for Bernie.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 06:26 PM (/tuJf)

241 >>>I'm not going to bother looking it up, but 36% seems high to me. I thought less than 20% of all American's had 4 year degrees. Maybe your stat includes Associates Degrees + had "some college."

it was 66.9 million out of 209 million americans aged 25 years and older.

Ergo it's something like 70 out of 210, or something like one third.

maybe I should have said 31%.

Posted by: ace at September 28, 2016 06:26 PM (dciA+)

242 No, he has to go on about how he "fought against it" and there was a "delegation sent" to shut him up. And so, we're talking about that instead of how awful Hillary is.
Posted by: duke

It's like pushing buttons on 4 year old.

Say something about how he's not that rich, and he'll go on and on about his empire instead of talking about the Clinton Foundation.

But you fight with the army you have.

Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:26 PM (onbPc)

243 This is some low energy pussy shit from Ace, not only is he too educated and high IQ in his own mind to support Trump but he is whining about Trump trolling the lefties by mentioning his polls? Ace is a joke

Posted by: Todd Underwood at September 28, 2016 06:27 PM (dLek8)

244 sometimes i think people here are enthusiastic that trump will win, other times i get the impression people here are resigned that clinton will win.

One of those will happen...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 28, 2016 06:27 PM (O2RFr)

245 ONLINE POLL SAYS TRUMP WILL PUT US ALL IN THE CAMPS!!!

Posted by: The Hysterical Sally Kohn at September 28, 2016 06:27 PM (qJhUV)

246 Cauliflower smothered in pureed cooked broccoli, melted cream cheese, cheddar cheese, and heavy cream, the baked for 40 minutes. Posted by: Jane D'oh

* * * * *

Grandmother on my mom's side (southern Italian) made a broccoli cauliflower cheese soup/bisque that would literally make your knees buckle it was so damn good. Sadly, no one in the family could duplicate it.

Posted by: Smitty27 at September 28, 2016 06:28 PM (g9d8D)

247 >>maybe I should have said 31%.

According to the US Census the number was about 33% in 2015.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 06:28 PM (/tuJf)

248 Polls are useless. They are theater for (M)asses. Anyone remember the polls before Reagans landslide victory? Even Steven . Tied. Too close to call. Americans, the majority, are fed up with all politicians and their lying-to-get-elected bullshit. Trump is not a politician to his great credit.He beat the crap out of the establishment lapdogs and they still won't admit that most American- loving people hate them. Polls are manipulated to help the democrats and the republican elite. Hannity is fighting fire with fire and the goody- two- shoes of the pundit class express a faux horror. Screw them and the mule they rode in on. In November the abused Americans will elect Trump. He is ten times better than Hillary as a candidate and the piece of shit in the Oval Office presently. Think Supreme Court. Not much matters past that.

Posted by: Pip McGuigen at September 28, 2016 06:28 PM (vGFvO)

249 "Is that the place where Kramer ran for condo president?"

Yeah,

that was Jerry's dad.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 28, 2016 06:28 PM (QEi8/)

250 What does Robot say at a Harry Reid venue?

Danger Will Robinson!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 28, 2016 06:28 PM (Nwg0u)

251 Posted by: Todd Underwood at September 28, 2016 06:27 PM (dLek

You don't even read the posts, do you?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 28, 2016 06:28 PM (rwI+c)

252 You don't have to go back to 2012. Look at the
primaries. Bernie drew huge crowds while Hillary was struggling to fill a
coffee shop.

Didn't work out so well for Bernie.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 06:26 PM (/tuJf)

That's what super-delegates are for. Just in case the people want the wrong person.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 28, 2016 06:29 PM (cBWom)

253
Like 67 million other Americans, or about 36% of the US population age 25 and above.

I'm not going to bother looking it up, but 36% seems high to me. I thought less than 20% of all American's had 4 year degrees. Maybe your stat includes Associates Degrees + had "some college."
Posted by: The DNC at September 28, 2016 06:21 PM (SeD0w)

And had "some college" includes "I spent my first semester drunk on my ass and those big meanies down in the Admin Building have me the old heave-ho"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 06:29 PM (QgDuz)

254 Shouldn't we be getting some poll trolls?

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 28, 2016 06:29 PM (O2RFr)

255 Had Trump put a minority on the ticket, I think it would have been less toxic for college educated whites to support him and not be embarassed.

Silly, but I honestly think an African American on the ticket would have made the Trump ticket more palatable.

Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:29 PM (onbPc)

256 sometimes i think people here are enthusiastic that trump will win, other times i get the impression people here are resigned that clinton will win.

BIPOLAR IS FUN AND DEPRESSING!!!!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 28, 2016 06:30 PM (uz/Pv)

257 *faceplants into thread*

Somebody "reputable", I think NBC, regularly goes with Survey Monkey polls. SM is online, opt-in, and completely unreliable.

But it's cheap and it's news fodder.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 28, 2016 06:30 PM (mgbwf)

258 So let me get this straight - Mittens took the group in question by a large margin and did how again?

?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 28, 2016 06:30 PM (C9pBZ)

259 ... besides, why shouldn't you do a progressive tax on
desperation, ill education and idleness? sounds like fun!

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 28, 2016 06:30 PM (WTSFk)

260 The Rifleman, OK I've seen enough of these, how bout putting on ..Branded..?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 28, 2016 06:30 PM (6Ll1u)

261 Obama had miserable rallies

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Everybody knows the dead don't show up in photographs.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 28, 2016 06:30 PM (Nwg0u)

262 I voted Kristen Stewart as my favorite Sparkly Vampire.

Posted by: eleven at September 28, 2016 06:31 PM (qUNWi)

263 As far as yard signs go not any hill signs here. no bumper stickers either. lots for the one in 08-12. Castlerock CO.

Posted by: USNtakim at September 28, 2016 06:31 PM (hMqvx)

264
Silly, but I honestly think an African American on the ticket would have made the Trump ticket more palatable.
Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:29 PM (onbPc)

Don King

Posted by: Deplorabe Male Logic at September 28, 2016 06:31 PM (lKyWE)

265

Listen. We csn only do so much. Cant control polls or any of the rest. Do what you can, let go of the rest. Let go of what you cannot control

Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 06:31 PM (apNqt)

266 I voted Kristen Stewart as my favorite Sparkly Vampire.

You forgot lesbian vampire...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 28, 2016 06:31 PM (O2RFr)

267 Scorned as the one who ran.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 28, 2016 06:31 PM (rwI+c)

268 I would have much rather Trump taken a week off like Hillary than go to a bunch of dumb rallies where everyone there is already voting for him.

He decided the .0001% of supporters were more important than being in front of a 100 million homes debating Hillary.

I don't think debates are decisive, but a good performance good have really pulled Hillary down.

Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:31 PM (onbPc)

269 And had "some college" includes "I spent my first
semester drunk on my ass and those big meanies down in the Admin
Building have me the old heave-ho"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 06:29 PM (QgDuz)

And remedial classes in reading and math to get you ready for college.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 28, 2016 06:31 PM (cBWom)

270 it was 66.9 million out of 209 million americans aged 25 years and older.

Ergo it's something like 70 out of 210, or something like one third.

maybe I should have said 31%.

Posted by: ace at September 28, 2016 06:26 PM (dciA+)

This is bad. Ace is doing math on the blog..........

Posted by: tbodie at September 28, 2016 06:31 PM (1t1Md)

271 Or maybe Ace should stop clinging to a strawman of Marxist class consciousness like petulant King Barry, and accept that running Bill Clinton on the Republican ticket does not make him acceptable to a good chunk of Republicans

Posted by: Howard Devore at September 28, 2016 06:31 PM (1rrXc)

272
My concernometer is getting a real workout from numerous new names in this thread. Need to bail before it breaks... BBL

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 06:32 PM (QgDuz)

273 Oh, yet ANOTHER thing. "Scientific" polls aren't 100% crap, like online polls, but they're still CRAPPY. Probably crappy enough to be semi-meaningless.

Under the hood of ALL of them is a secret sauce to adjust the answer according to the presumed voter turnout. The thing is, THAT'S A FLAT-OUT GUESS - ESPECIALLY THIS TIME. Which makes the reported poll result AN OUTRIGHT GUESS.

And that's without getting into the whole bit about how the national polls DON'T MATTER, because it's all about the 15-ish battleground states. ESPECIALLY if they do a head-to-head poll, instead of the actual 4-way race.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 28, 2016 06:32 PM (EnK/R)

274 He's constantly amazed at how stupid the American students are.

A great many of them ARE stupid. And even in the sciences. It is downright scary. I have had students whip out their calculator when they had to take a number and divide it by 1. It is saaaad.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 28, 2016 06:32 PM (uAvJJ)

275 I was told there'd be no math.

Somebody, quick, put up a poll on whethere Ace's math is correct or not!

Posted by: Oedipus at September 28, 2016 06:32 PM (CXLVd)

276 Somebody "reputable", I think NBC, regularly goes with Survey Monkey polls.

-
Affirmative action?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 28, 2016 06:32 PM (Nwg0u)

277 CBSNews - Hillary's debate performance stopped her fall.

Her fall in the polls, not towards the cement.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 28, 2016 06:32 PM (cBWom)

278 But you fight with the army you have.
Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:26 PM (onbPc)

Yup; it's why I'm not paying much attention to DJT. I just watch clips of Hillary on a loop to motivate myself.

Posted by: duke at September 28, 2016 06:32 PM (EQNFN)

279 "Silly, but I honestly think an African American on the ticket would have made the Trump ticket more palatable.
Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:29 PM (onbPc)"

I hate to say it because it makes me sound so gauche and jejune (I used those words specifically so no one would mistake me for gauche and jejune) but black and Hispanic people are much more tribal with their support than whites. It would have been useful to put a minority on the ticket for that reason and also the Virtue-Signaling you mentioned.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at September 28, 2016 06:32 PM (Rtyzj)

280

All of those college educated followed Bernie Sanders.

What a mixed bag of dopes.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 28, 2016 06:32 PM (qCMvj)

281 243 This is some low energy pussy shit from Ace,

Dude, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 28, 2016 06:33 PM (SeD0w)

282
The Rifleman, OK I've seen enough of these, how bout putting on ..Branded..?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 28, 2016 06:30 PM (6Ll1u)

Branded was a great show but in only ran two seasons

Posted by: Deplorabe Male Logic at September 28, 2016 06:33 PM (lKyWE)

283 JackStraw,
The fix was in for Clinton with the DNC &'Superdelegates.

Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 06:33 PM (sj3Ax)

284
Survey Monkey polls are bogus and NBC loves em. Poll Daddy polls are bogus and CNN lives them

Free yourself from the illusion

Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 06:33 PM (apNqt)

285 So how can a poll be "scientific"? I'm not being snarky, I don't know how polls actually can be validated.

For example...after my complaining about "who answers polls" this morning, I was just called on my landline next to my computer by a survey company. It was a robocall, with press one, press two, etc. The computer didn't have a clue who I was, other than the phone number could be identified as to who owned the landline, but they had no idea to whom they were surveying. It could have been the 8 year old or the 80 year old with dementia.

It was more of a local poll, with the presidential race the first question, the local candidates next.
At the end, I was asked my race, and if I was latino, hispanic, etc.

There is no way to quantify who is answering these polls, no matter who does them. So how reliable are they? Remember Brexit?

Posted by: Jen the original at September 28, 2016 06:33 PM (ntZAP)

286
With a poll-poll here
A poll-poll there
Here a poll, there a poll
Everywhere a poll-poll

Ol' MacMedia had a poll
Ee-yi-ee-yi-oh

Posted by: Hammer In The Dell at September 28, 2016 06:33 PM (9mTYi)

287 >>So let me get this straight - Mittens took the group in question by a large margin and did how again?

It's usually a good idea to keep the group that has supported your party and add to it not throw it away and start with a completely different group.

I really don't think it would be that hard for Trump to capture a larger part of the college educated crowd. He might start by actually studying and preparing for a debate to show that he has the capacity to do the job he's running for.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 06:33 PM (/tuJf)

288 Hey Ace I got a never Trumper to switch using an argument you made. You wrote a post saying the media would keep Trump honest because the media will cover every govt and administration scandal thoroughly -but they'll keep covering for Hillary like they covered for Obama. Guy has a Masters in engineering, follows issues closely, knows the media lies. Doesn't care abut social issues, more economy aND defense oriented. But hates trumps ignorance and populism. The argument the media would be a brake on govt if they hated the President really resonated with him. Thanks!! Trump should hire you.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at September 28, 2016 06:33 PM (N9gZs)

289 You forgot lesbian vampire...

Is she a carpet licker?

I'm changing my vote to Kate Beckinsale.

Posted by: eleven at September 28, 2016 06:33 PM (qUNWi)

290 The online polls are part of Trump's marketing/PR. Everyone knows they only mean enthusiasm. But it drives the insiders and media absolutely bonkers because it clouds up their pre-planned narrative (TRUMP LOST).

Here you got CNN screaming that he got croaked, and Trump shows up all smiles, and starts bragging that he won all the polls - "I think Drudge had us at like 85%, even TIME, TIME which is no fan of Trump, had us winning."

Its hysterical.

(We know if Hillary were winning every single poll, even at right wing sites, the media would suddenly make them a barometer of something. They would not be ignored.)

Posted by: Kevin at September 28, 2016 06:34 PM (KczA1)

291 By not bothering to prep for the debate, Trump is basically laughing in the faces of us who voted for him in the primary
-------------

You really think that Donald Trump, a guy who made BILLIONS by doing the right thing in the right place at the right time and is now on the precipice of the most powerful position on Earth... didn't prepare for the biggest night of his political life?

Perhaps he prepared... but not to do what every other politician would do when set up to wilt inside an obviously rigged game?

Maybe he saw all those "hanging curveballs" for what they were. Bait on a hook to trap him into bringing up issues, setting up Hillary to respond with focus group tested lines she spent hundreds oof thousands on developing, ready to put these issues to bed live in front of 80 million people?

Why do you think "cybersecurity" was a topic of the debate? It was a trap.

Let's see how the "polls" shake out over the next couple weeks, eh?

Posted by: Mega at September 28, 2016 06:34 PM (EdXI9)

292 I don't think Trump is a good speaker or debater. In fact, I think he is absolutely awful. I also don't think he is that intelligent outside of his very narrow sphere of real estate. He would be up 10 pts nationally if he wasn't so narcissistic.

Having said that, those issues are totally irrelevant. If we want a fucking country at all, you better vote for him.

Second amendment and basic freedoms are hanging by a thread. One vote on the supreme court and they can go up in smoke and all the angry blog posts and our comments won't mean shit when it happens.

We already see there is no rule of law in America with Liberals in charge as Hillary can break any law she wants and get away with it while Bill rapes multiple women and is celebrated.

The hand wringing about Trump is pointless. Get every fucking person you know to vote for him or we are fucked.

If we lose by a thread, and the left continues their immigration onslaught....How the fuck does anyone think conservativism will EVER come out on top again? It is a simple numbers game.

I sure hope Trump's lack of an organized ground game is more than offset by general enthusiasm and people coming out to vote who haven't in a while which I think is possible.

Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at September 28, 2016 06:34 PM (NAv1Q)

293
Not saying I disagree ace, about upping his numbers with educateds, but what sort of things can he/his surrogates do to accomplish this?

What sayeth the horde? Any specific ideas? If you review his policy positions, even listen to some of his teleprompter policy speeches, it's hard to see how they aren't very much in the mainstream of sensible, non-crazy positions on major issues.

He's established an image over decades of public life (as a private citizen). Doubt he can change that. Is that his problem with educateds?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 28, 2016 06:34 PM (QDnY+)

294
Let go of what you cannot control

Depend undergarments let candidate Mom-Mom do just that!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 06:34 PM (QgDuz)

295 ... t least let us in on the fun.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 28, 2016 06:34 PM (WTSFk)

296 /off sock

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at September 28, 2016 06:35 PM (d76uN)

297 Are we in trouble again?

Posted by: Weasel at September 28, 2016 06:35 PM (Sfs6o)

298 I was really hoping there would be a nice Ace of Spades online poll at the bottom of this poll. Missed opportunity guys.

Posted by: Ryan at September 28, 2016 06:35 PM (fYsWs)

299 "Silly, but I honestly think an African American on the ticket would have made the Trump ticket more palatable.
Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:29 PM (onbPc)"

Would someone from Africa been eligible?

Posted by: Jen the original at September 28, 2016 06:35 PM (ntZAP)

300 .. didn't prepare for the biggest night of his political life?

res ipsa loquitur

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 28, 2016 06:35 PM (rwI+c)

301 >>The fix was in for Clinton with the DNC &'Superdelegates.

Is there anyone here who doesn't think that the fix is in as much as it can be with state election boards across the country? We are now having state judges declare that requiring ID is a racist burden.

C'mon. If the field was anymore tilted for Hillary it would be vertical.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 06:35 PM (/tuJf)

302 I forgive Ace's math, or lack thereof.

In my book, 4-year degrees in Women's Studies, and other such crapola should be SUBTRACTED from the total of college degrees awarded, since it makes people stupider instead of smarter.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 28, 2016 06:36 PM (EnK/R)

303 Would someone from Africa been eligible?

Birther!

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 28, 2016 06:36 PM (O2RFr)

304 This is true. Breitbart may perform a daily colonoscopy on Mr.Trump in the articles and the comments but the polling work they do with Gravis is legit.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston
****

True, but they were a little over 5 points off on who would win the 2012 election and by how much.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at September 28, 2016 06:36 PM (0x/TW)

305 Vulgarians: They'll stampede your women and rape your cattle.

Posted by: Fritz at September 28, 2016 06:36 PM (HJX82)

306 Anyway....what's so hard about voting for somebody you know your smarter than?

I don't see the problem.

Posted by: eleven at September 28, 2016 06:36 PM (qUNWi)

307
Meanwhile, the media is focusing on how Trump allegedly called a beauty contestant who gain weight in excess of 50%(!) "fat" - TWENTY YEARS AGO - and is fairly disinterested in how The First Woman President caused one of the largest national security fiascos in history in order to hide all her crooked activity while Secretary of State.

Tell me who's stupid and uneducated again?
Posted by: Optimizer

I love that she's a drug cartel member but somehow passed screening to become an American citizen. Can we talk about vetting now?

Posted by: Bernette at September 28, 2016 06:36 PM (ru2SK)

308 Trump was awful in the primary debates. And he still won. So what

Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 06:36 PM (apNqt)

309 @298 I was really hoping there would be a nice Ace of Spades online poll at the bottom of this poll. Missed opportunity guys.
Posted by: Ryan at September 28, 2016 06:35 PM (fYsWs)

LOL!

Hey, maybe it's not too late!

Posted by: Optimizer at September 28, 2016 06:36 PM (EnK/R)

310 lets not kid ourselves. the MSM articles stating that Hitlery won were written before the debate.

Posted by: hillary's left lateral rectus at September 28, 2016 06:36 PM (ir/G5)

311 The Election was always going to come down to could Trump deliver a voter base that wasn't really part of the last few Presidential elections.

When you walk through something like a WalMart, there's a shit load of working class whites there that I guarantee you didn't vote for Mitt Romney and aren't part of any phone poll that I could easily see backing Trump in a big way.

Does his campaign have the ability to get these people to the polls and vote? Maybe.

Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:36 PM (onbPc)

312
This is some low energy pussy shit..... Posted by: Lacey "Todd Underwood" Underalls.

* * * * * * * *

Trump-mania will be the focus of studies for many generations to come - political yes, but mostly psychological. The rabid attacks against anyone who looks sideways at Trump is interesting. It's as if the Trumpets don't trust their OWN support for him.

Posted by: Smitty27 at September 28, 2016 06:37 PM (g9d8D)

313 Del Boca Vista?

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"Of the view of the mouth." Must be a retirement home for dentists.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 28, 2016 06:37 PM (Nwg0u)

314 In 2015, almost 9 out of 10 adults (88 percent) had at least a high school diploma or GED, while nearly 1 in 3 adults (33 percent) held a bachelor's or higher degree.

http://tinyurl.com/hzjffho

Posted by: chemjeff at September 28, 2016 06:37 PM (uAvJJ)

315 Wasn't that Del Boca Vista?

Posted by: buzzion at September 28, 2016 06:25 PM (z/Ubi)
.................

Yes, it was!

Del Boca Vista Retirement Community
Where Old people Go To Die

Posted by: wth at September 28, 2016 06:37 PM (HgMAr)

316

Its a rooster illusion man. We are way past TIVO

Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 06:38 PM (apNqt)

317 Don't worry. The debates don't mean shit.

What does is the turnout apparatus.

The left already has dead motherfuckers voting, so we better turn out our side.

Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at September 28, 2016 06:38 PM (NAv1Q)

318 lets not kid ourselves. the MSM articles stating that Hitlery won were written before the debate.
Posted by: hillary's left lateral rectus

yes, but I also saw the debate with my own eyes and I would not say Hillary won so much as Trump blew a big opportunity for a near knockout punch.

Hillary got a chance to stop the bleeding because our guy won't do the homework. Still. With everyone talking about how next time he's going to do this and that. Don't hold your breath.

I still think it's a VERY winnable election for him, but I do get frustrated at dumb turnovers.

Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:39 PM (onbPc)

319 You really think that Donald Trump, a guy who made BILLIONS by doing the
right thing in the right place at the right time and is now on the
precipice of the most powerful position on Earth... didn't prepare for
the biggest night of his political life?

Why should he? He winged it through the entire primary season and won. Why change a winning formula?

Posted by: chemjeff at September 28, 2016 06:39 PM (uAvJJ)

320 @307 ...I love that she's a drug cartel member but somehow passed screening to become an American citizen. Can we talk about vetting now?
Posted by: Bernette at September 28, 2016 06:36 PM (ru2SK)

Technically, I think they say she was the concubine of a cartel member, which is not the same thing as being an actual member, I'd say. It's not like a drug lord's gardener is necessarily a criminal.

Still funny though.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 28, 2016 06:39 PM (EnK/R)

321 291
Maybe he saw all those "hanging curveballs" for what they were. Bait on a hook to trap him into bringing up issues, setting up Hillary to respond with focus group tested lines she spent hundreds oof thousands on developing, ready to put these issues to bed live in front of 80 million people?

Posted by: Mega at September 28, 2016 06:34 PM (EdXI9)

I don't remember where I saw it, but I saw a comment earlier today, allegedly based on a remark by a Trump staffer, that he deliberately checked his swing because he wants Hillary to go into the next debate cocky and overconfident.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 28, 2016 06:39 PM (sdi6R)

322 I honestly think an African American on the ticket would have made the Trump ticket more palatable.

Something other than another old white guy, I agree. I think the days of the two old white guy ticket winning are long gone. But again, the candidate doesn't pick the person, he just gets to veto some that the party tell him to take.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 28, 2016 06:39 PM (39g3+)

323 Forgive me for plugging these guys but this free tool saved my ass yesterday: https://www.partitionwizard.com/

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 28, 2016 06:39 PM (rwI+c)

324 Have I got a poll for you...

Posted by: Anthony Weiner Online Polls at September 28, 2016 06:40 PM (uz/Pv)

325 Good lord, the trolls woke up and are at their computers, eating cheetos and typing away.

Time to go do something worthwhile.

Posted by: Jen the original at September 28, 2016 06:40 PM (ntZAP)

326 So are they gonna poll the survivors of the 911 dead for their belief that 911 was a false flag operation by the joooooiz? I dare them.

Posted by: torabora at September 28, 2016 06:40 PM (0Fh2i)

327 Forgive me for plugging these guys but this free tool saved my ass yesterday:

Have I got a free tool for you!

Posted by: Anthony Weiner Free Tools at September 28, 2016 06:40 PM (uz/Pv)

328 318 lets not kid ourselves. the MSM articles stating that Hitlery won were written before the debate.
Posted by: hillary's left lateral rectus

yes, but I also saw the debate with my own eyes and I would not say Hillary won so much as Trump blew a big opportunity for a near knockout punch.

Hillary got a chance to stop the bleeding because our guy won't do the homework. Still. With everyone talking about how next time he's going to do this and that. Don't hold your breath.

I still think it's a VERY winnable election for him, but I do get frustrated at dumb turnovers.
Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:39 PM (onbPc)

and before the debate the buzz was that as long as he didn't freak out, he'd win.
he didn't freak out and the MSM claimed he lost.

Posted by: hillary's left lateral rectus at September 28, 2016 06:40 PM (ir/G5)

329
Posted by: Dr Smith

Long time reader, first time poster, has voted Republican in every election since 1856....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 28, 2016 06:41 PM (kdS6q)

330 The Hope Solo/Dark Moon Poll Has Jeb! at .00002% of both on-line morons who like to click bait things and college-educated morons who have a sheepskin and $300,000.00 in student debt.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 28, 2016 06:41 PM (ej1L0)

331 I've already forgotten who Trump's running mate is.

Posted by: eleven at September 28, 2016 06:41 PM (qUNWi)

332

Its so ibteresting. I mean FOX rightly says "stop talking about online polls"

And CNN and NBC pay for them

Huh

Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 06:41 PM (apNqt)

333
Did anybody here hear that Facebook is paying $97 per hour for something or another?

It's all over other blog sites!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 06:41 PM (QgDuz)

334 Are we in trouble again?

Posted by: Weasel at September 28, 2016 06:35 PM (Sfs6o)
...............

Uh... who do you mean WE, paleface?

Posted by: Tonto at September 28, 2016 06:41 PM (HgMAr)

335 301 >>The fix was in for Clinton with the DNC &'Superdelegates.

Is there anyone here who doesn't think that the fix is in as much as it can be with state election boards across the country? We are now having state judges declare that requiring ID is a racist burden.

C'mon. If the field was anymore tilted for Hillary it would be vertical.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2016 06:35 PM (/tuJf)

At least we'd get to see her fall down then.

Posted by: buzzion at September 28, 2016 06:41 PM (z/Ubi)

336 All this talk about who takes online polls and who doesn't...

Am I the only guy never clicks on those things because I know that it's going to awaken a million pop-up ads?

Posted by: RKae at September 28, 2016 06:42 PM (R6mCt)

337 Branded was a great show but in only ran two seasons

-
Big Bang was a great show but it only ran two seasons. This other seasons it just kinda limped along.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 28, 2016 06:42 PM (Nwg0u)

338 Well the over educated class can enjoy the fall of the American Republic from their semi-urban abodes. I am sure that will be real fun for them.

I will never blame Trump for their stupidity and ignorance about history. I will blame him for other things, perhaps, but even that is hard when so few in a position to do something about it even tried to fight for American sovereignty. You go with the horse that got you here (ego and all), and not the fantasy one you never had.

That is life...you do the best with the cards that have been dealt to fight for what you believe in. If people really believe in American sovereignty they will pick Trump, and if other things matter more they will pick Hillary, or not vote at all. That is their choice.

Posted by: William Eaton at September 28, 2016 06:42 PM (KhJh8)

339 Don't hate me for it, but I am following 538 and a couple others for election predictions. So far it isn't looking good for Trump. There is still time, but the debate does seem to have hurt him.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at September 28, 2016 06:42 PM (+aCe4)

340 I've already forgotten who Trump's running mate is.

Posted by: eleven at September 28, 2016 06:41 PM (qUNWi)

It's not that idiot Kaine, and that is all you really need to know

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2016 06:42 PM (Ozsfq)

341

All Hillary had to do is stay verticle

Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 06:42 PM (apNqt)

342 Missed opportunity guys.
Posted by: Ryan

Up yours, Ryan, for taking Cake Girl from us

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 28, 2016 06:42 PM (39g3+)

343 Actually, I'm seeing more Hill signs this week in the prosperous north Milwaukee 'burbs. Not one Trump sign - but that's probably prudent.

In 2012, I saw both Obama and Romney signs and in fact, I would have given the edge slightly to Romney.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at September 28, 2016 06:42 PM (P8951)

344 buzzion I agree

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2016 06:42 PM (ofpt4)

345 #322 The dayz of a decrepit diseased fat assed old hag who covers for her rapist husband and lies to the FBI are here!
* I'm just a bitter clinger*

Posted by: torabora at September 28, 2016 06:43 PM (0Fh2i)

346 >>>261 Everybody knows the dead don't show up in photographs.

You know who this reminds me of???

:::spazzes:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 06:43 PM (VIn4/)

347 Am I the only guy never clicks on those things....

No

Posted by: Smitty27 at September 28, 2016 06:43 PM (g9d8D)

348

Meanwhile, a legit NBC poll

Ha.

Doesn't exist.

NBC is always a left-biased outlier. If NBC is on the poll, I throw it in the trash. This year, every year, every race. Period.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 28, 2016 06:43 PM (uz/Pv)

349 Remember Hillary needs a Kane

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2016 06:43 PM (ofpt4)

350

538 said there was no way Trump would win the primary

Huh

Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 06:43 PM (apNqt)

351 Online polls are not scientific unless conducted with a D+12 margin and an approval email from the DNC.

/Ministry of Truth

Posted by: Grad School Fool at September 28, 2016 06:44 PM (swEzU)

352 I'm changing my vote to Kate Beckinsale.

As your favorite pancake?

Posted by: Crusader at September 28, 2016 06:44 PM (ewSN2)

353 Trump's a rhetorical speaker. Rhetoric is chum for the dumb as well. He's not trying to reach smart people.
Posted by: Grisle McThornbody at September 28, 2016 05:45 PM (lvNsd)

And a lot of the smart people aren't really that smart except for made the field they are in. They just mindlessly repeat the shibboleths that they've been told make them smart.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at September 28, 2016 06:44 PM (Ee2nz)

354 Only leftist polls count, they ask all the right people

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2016 06:44 PM (ofpt4)

355 >>>261 Everybody knows the dead don't show up in photographs.

----

Um... maybe this is TMI, but I've photographed each and every one of my victims.

I think you mean the "undead."

Posted by: RKae at September 28, 2016 06:44 PM (R6mCt)

356 'You really think that Donald Trump, a guy who made BILLIONS by doing the
right thing in the right place at the right time and is now on the
precipice of the most powerful position on Earth... didn't prepare for
the biggest night of his political life?"

Whatever prep he did was simply not enough. And yea, I think he largely winged it just like all of his other debates in the primary. He started out strong but Hillary got under his skin as the night wore on

I bet everyone here was yelling awesome rebuttals at the screen that were far better than what Trump came up with.

At the very least, he could have pulled a Palin and just used the opportunity to talk about his platform and ignored his two debate opponents.

Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:44 PM (onbPc)

357
Dear Penthouse Forum,

You'll never believe this -- I know that I didn't (at first) -- but my pole number went right through the old codpiece the other day when this jazzy dame dressed in red harangued an old dude.

I was sitting at home, pantless, as uaual...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 06:45 PM (QgDuz)

358
Im seeing several Texans for Hillary signs

Not gonna happen

Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 06:45 PM (apNqt)

359 243 This is some low energy pussy shit from Ace, not only is he too educated and high IQ in his own mind to support Trump but he is whining about Trump trolling the lefties by mentioning his polls? Ace is a joke
Posted by: Todd Underwood at September 28, 2016 06:27 PM (dLek

You don't come around here much, do you?

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 28, 2016 06:45 PM (ASSjT)

360 Pancakes???

::::going to explode holding it in:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 06:45 PM (VIn4/)

361 "However, nationally, he's doing poorly with college educated voters. Romney got like 51%; Trump's pulling like 36%. Big, bad difference."

This looks wrong Ace

The recent ABC poll shows Trump winning white non-college men by 59%, white non-college women by 12% and white college men by 11%. He loses to white college women by 25%. This is the latest poll with detail that I've seen.

This says that Trump is pulling only 37.5% with white women college and 47% with white college overall. I doubt there are enough non-white college to drag this down to 36%.

Yes, Trump needs college voters. But there are nearly 3X non-college as there are college. Had Romney gotten better turnout from white non-college he would have won.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 28, 2016 06:45 PM (r1fLd)

362 @292 ...
Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at September 28, 2016 06:34 PM (NAv1Q)

EXACTLY!

Except one thing that you have all wrong. I think Trump has the kind of brilliance where he has a shitload of stuff clicking away in his head that doesn't ever really coalesce in a verbal way.

When he's speaking it's like he has 4 things to spit out at once, and they all kind of battle each other as they try to make their way out, like middle school kids getting off a school bus.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 28, 2016 06:46 PM (EnK/R)

363 I really don't understand the superiority complex people have vs Trump. Maybe it's the same prejudice vs Southern accents, dunno.

You don't get that rich by being stupid.
You don't win the Republican nomination by being stupid.
You don't take the presidency by being stupid.

Trump wasn't in my top 10 list or my top 14 even. But this is starting to look like GWB all over again, only with fire coming on him from left and right.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 28, 2016 06:46 PM (UHLlC)

364 And they find it hard to support a man who seems to either 1, be far below their class status despite being wealthy, or 2, who seems only interested in catering to the ignorances of the less well-educated.
***
I get your point, but we are where we are because the supposed elites in America have made mind bogglingly bad choices for the country for the last 20 years or so.

Trump needs to appeal to the upper middle class, yes, but he needs to do so in a way that let's them recognize they've fucked up in election after election for quite a long time.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 28, 2016 06:46 PM (oyTLT)

365 NBC is always a left-biased outlier. If NBC is on the poll, I throw it in the trash. This year, every year, every race. Period.

I can assure you, sir, that NBC polls are unbiased and completely neutral.

Posted by: Lester Holt: Registered Republican at September 28, 2016 06:46 PM (qJhUV)

366 290
(We know if Hillary were winning every single poll, even at right wing sites, the media would suddenly make them a barometer of something. They would not be ignored.)

Posted by: Kevin at September 28, 2016 06:34 PM (KczA1)

Yep. Which is why we should not deny ourselves the weapons of our enemy. You don't have to believe that they are a perfect barometer for an election outcome, which they are not.

Depress them. Demoralize them.

"Fuck you. War." But only if we can keep our delicate sensibilities about us.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable at September 28, 2016 06:46 PM (GX63o)

367 Ace, part of the problem, why so many on the right fall for these fake online polls, is because they have also stopped trusting the MSM almost completely. And the online poll scammers KNOW this and prey on those who have turned off the MSM and are willing to listen to a "news" source that tells them what they want to hear. "So a NBC poll says that Hillary won! Well, bullshit I say! I have this Breitbart.com/Drudge/Freeper poll right here that says the opposite, and I trust them more, because they are saying the opposite of what those lying liars in the MSM are saying!!!" This is basically why we have con-men and demagogues running the conservative movement right now. Nobody listens to NRO, but they will listen to Drudge, because Drudge tells them what they want to hear.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 28, 2016 06:46 PM (uAvJJ)

368 Big Bang was a great show but it only ran two seasons. This other seasons it just kinda limped along.

I stopped watching when the blond cut her hair and stopped making any effort to be eye-candy. She and I weren't married--its not like I was morally obliged to stick around.

Posted by: Crusader at September 28, 2016 06:46 PM (ewSN2)

369

You know when you see the Bush's embracing the Obama's we are all in trouble.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 28, 2016 06:47 PM (qCMvj)

370
I've already forgotten who Trump's running mate is.
Posted by: eleven

Pence has been a good wingman for Trump. If one reads the news sites, he's out there punching back at the Dems every day. Very much a Chenney-type VP.

I've been pleasantly surprised by him.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 28, 2016 06:47 PM (kdS6q)

371 The online polls aren't completely meaningless. They show that Trump is winning with people who like to click on online polls, a demographic that normally leans left.

Posted by: schizoid at September 28, 2016 06:47 PM (x8qtA)

372 I've already forgotten who Trump's running mate is.

Posted by: eleven

Remember the saying "Take care of the pence and the pounds will take care of themselves"

Now you will never forget that the candidate is Mike Pence.

Lewis Carroll parodied this as, "Take care of the sense and the sounds will take care of themselves".

Posted by: Yuimetal at September 28, 2016 06:47 PM (iFgwk)

373 I bet everyone here was yelling awesome rebuttals at the screen that were far better than what Trump came up with.

Sure, but his job wasn't to zing Hillary, it was to seem presidential, professional, and adult. Not to "win" by having the best online putdown or yell the best talking points, but to actually win over undecided or leaning voters by not coming across as Orange Hulk or crazy man with hair out of Kingpins.

See, the debate wasn't about the debate at all. It was a Reality Show contest like the rest of the campaign. You don't win those with the smartest comeback. You win those by convincing the audience you're a winner.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 28, 2016 06:47 PM (39g3+)

374 somehow I think that had Hitlery won the line polls, the NYT et al would make it front page news

Posted by: hillary's left lateral rectus at September 28, 2016 06:47 PM (ir/G5)

375 He could have to Lester to stop pestering him.

Posted by: torabora at September 28, 2016 06:48 PM (0Fh2i)

376 I saw these online polls collectively splashed on one of the cable news programs, with logos like Time, etc.

Who cares if they're bullshit. They make an impression.

Most of the stuff we're talking about right now in the election is bullshit. How the game gets played unfortunately.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 28, 2016 06:48 PM (r1fLd)

377 Mr Trump has to earn my vote.

Posted by: Overeducated Shithead at September 28, 2016 06:48 PM (BO/km)

378 Damnit! JackStraw,
I'm not swearing at you, but the system.
Voter ID should be the only way anyone can vote.

Except in my precinct. It's grade school & I know some poll workers. I'd be glad to show my license or any other ID required.

Posted by: Carol at September 28, 2016 06:48 PM (sj3Ax)

379
I bet everyone here was yelling awesome rebuttals at the screen that were far better than what Trump came up with.
***
I wouldn't go that far...but there certainly is something fascinating about how non-left wing politicians always seem to back away from really engaging with the left on a fundamental level when they have the chance.

Hell, the last time I remember right wings pols really fighting against the left's talking points was the welfare reform debate in the mid 90s

Posted by: 18-1 at September 28, 2016 06:49 PM (oyTLT)

380 I've already forgotten who Trump's running mate is.

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I remember by the saying in for penny, in for a pounding.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 28, 2016 06:49 PM (Nwg0u)

381 I am so FUCKING ANGRY I am close to tears.

The VA was late this month with our son's benefits, both cost of living stipend, and tuition.

We covered for him until his money came through.

He called his dad and said it STILL HASN'T COME THROUGH, and it's the same for most of the veterans he's going to school with.

He's called our U. S. Congressman, but in the meantime, we'll need to cover for another month's rent.

Fucking Obama and this fucking administration!!!! Thank G-d we can afford to help him. I feel so sorry for the vets who have no one to turn to.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 06:49 PM (1ZOkK)

382

To quote aaron rodgers

R E L A X

Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 06:49 PM (apNqt)

383 @353 ...And a lot of the smart people aren't really that smart except for made the field they are in. They just mindlessly repeat the shibboleths that they've been told make them smart.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at September 28, 2016 06:44 PM (Ee2nz)

You're conflating knowledge with intelligence. That being said, they say they are different types of intelligences.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 28, 2016 06:50 PM (EnK/R)

384 One of my antenna stations played ...It's About Time... a couple of months

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 28, 2016 06:50 PM (6Ll1u)

385 Remember the saying "Take care of the pence and the pounds will take care of themselves"

No but I remember " Take the Pence and leave the Gun"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2016 06:50 PM (Ozsfq)

386 Not for you Jane. An unfirtunate coincidence

Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 06:50 PM (apNqt)

387
Fucking Obama and this fucking administration!!!!
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We've got ISIS refugees here in the US suffering from substandard wifi. Get your priorities right ok!

Posted by: Barack Obama at September 28, 2016 06:51 PM (oyTLT)

388 Alicia ached does great porn. Bill knows how to pick'em

Posted by: hillary's left lateral rectus at September 28, 2016 06:51 PM (ir/G5)

389 Pence has been a good wingman for Trump. If one reads the news sites, he's out there punching back at the Dems every day. Very much a Chenney-type VP.

I've been pleasantly surprised by him.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix

I like the idea of Pence being in the Administration, but I just don't know if he really added a single vote to Trump.

If I was sure Trump would be the next President, I think he would be perfect.

I largely look at the VP as just a vote getter.

Trump should have found a female or a minority male imo.

Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:51 PM (onbPc)

390
people who like to click on online polls, a demographic that normally leans left.
Posted by: schizoid

Libertarian, admittly a similar species.

The Paulites were, and are, notorious for gaming online polls, especially those that don't even do cursory IP checks.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 28, 2016 06:51 PM (kdS6q)

391 388 Alicia Machado does great porn. Bill knows how to pick'em

Posted by: hillary's left lateral rectus at September 28, 2016 06:51 PM (ir/G5)

392 Sing a song of Mike Pence
The polls are full of crap
Comey is a party stooge,
So Hillary beats the rap.

Posted by: Yuimetal at September 28, 2016 06:51 PM (iFgwk)

393 Apropros of nothing at all -
I bet I could fry an egg on top of the hi-fi right now.
It's been on 11 since Bonanza ended.
Started with En Vogue, moved to Kid Rock (?), then Dire Straits, and for the last two hours, Allman Brothers Live concerts.

My neighbors must like my taste in music, because I haven't heard any complaints. Of course, I haven't heard a thing in 4 hours...

Posted by: Chi at September 28, 2016 06:52 PM (jbaCx)

394 Corgis.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 28, 2016 06:52 PM (kTF2Z)

395 382

To quote aaron rodgers

R E L A X
Posted by: ThunderB at September 28, 2016 06:49 PM (apNqt)

I thought that was Frankie Goes to Hollywood.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 28, 2016 06:52 PM (sdi6R)

396 Turkeys National Security Council will propose extending the state of emergency introduced after a July 15 coup attempt, it said on Wednesday, as expected since President Tayyip Erdogan floated the possibility of an extension.

A further regression of Freedom as Fredo ignores foreign policy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2016 06:53 PM (Ozsfq)

397 Hillary got a chance to stop the bleeding because our guy won't do the homework. Still. With everyone talking about how next time he's going to do this and that. Don't hold your breath.

I still think it's a VERY winnable election for him, but I do get frustrated at dumb turnovers.
Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:39 PM (onbPc)

I agree.

Hillary's plastic phoniness is hated by blue collar people but I suspect that many more well-heeled people saw her performance as "professionalism"because they're used to plastic phony people with the right credentials at work, at cocktail parties, and when they themselves interview for a position or interview someone else. A certain smooth blandness and glibness appeals to many of them.

Don't believe me? If you're a white collar worker look around your own office. The glib bullshiters who can paper over a lack of actual results with platitudes often do very well for themselves.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at September 28, 2016 06:53 PM (P8951)

398 Mr. Trump has to earn my vote too:

He needs to prove to me that my do-nothing, brother-in-law, taxpayer funded job will be safe

He needs to promise me to tuck me in with milk and cookies EVERY night

He can't tell many scawy stories about what happens outside of my safe little suburb

He certainly can't insinuate that my COLLEGE CREDENTIALS that prove that I am so smart are nothing more than a Dogma-Parroting Individual Achievement Award

/Another Overeducated Shithead

Posted by: Grad School Fool at September 28, 2016 06:53 PM (swEzU)

399 Years of college have taught me to carefully consider my options, and to sit quietly while Paolo bangs my wife.

Posted by: Overeducated Shithead at September 28, 2016 06:53 PM (BO/km)

400 538 said there was no way Trump would win the primary

Huh

Posted by: ThunderB
****

True, but the 538 @#$% has been more right than wrong the last few elections.
I also check out a few others that were accurate last time. Qunnipiac and Ipsos were a couple of the more accurate ones.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at September 28, 2016 06:54 PM (+aCe4)

401
Trump should have found a female or a minority male imo.
Posted by: Maritime

Problem is -- those minority and woman skew to the Bushite party left. All the women and La Raza Republicans types going for Hillary is indicative of that.

No VP material in that group, aside from Rubio -- maybe.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 28, 2016 06:54 PM (kdS6q)

402 >>>389 Trump should have found a female or a minority male imo.
Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:51 PM (onbPc)

Didn't exist, he needed experience and the few that might fit that bill weren't interested. Let's stop looking in the rearview mirror.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 06:54 PM (VIn4/)

403 I think everybody is missing that Trump was undoubtedly told to pull his punches in the debate. He was in uncharted and very dangerous water. Everything he was going to say was going to be scrutinized to try to turn it into something that sounded sexist.

He came out pretty well on that score. Only the one major paper was willing to embarrass itself by claiming that his interrupting her 7 (?) times was sexist. Instead, we're hyper-analyzing whether he called a beauty contestant who had gained in weight a full 50% "fat", 20 years ago.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 28, 2016 06:54 PM (EnK/R)

404 I saw these online polls collectively splashed on one of the cable news programs, with logos like Time, etc.

Who cares if they're bullshit. They make an impression.

Most of the stuff we're talking about right now in the election is bullshit. How the game gets played unfortunately.
Posted by: Ignoramus

I agree with this, I went on a bunch of them to register support. Psychological warfare.

Also, don't for a minute think everyone KNOWS that online polls aren't really scientific.

If a bunch of people see a Time poll where 70% say Trump won, a few are going to think it's just like any other poll. probably most viewers if we're being honest.

Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:55 PM (onbPc)

405 I don't think anyone ever votes FOR a VP candidate. Against maybe, for no.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2016 06:55 PM (Ozsfq)

406 To be fair, online polls are used to support whatever narrative the MSM has cooked up with the Uniparty. They are propaganda, which is why denying the MSM and uniparty their online polls to drive home a narrative is important.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 28, 2016 06:55 PM (vRd8t)

407 "It's hard to vote for a guy you not only suspect you're smarter than (this happens in most elections) but are sure you're a lot smarter than."

Trump has a somewhat unusual intellect. I'd bet he was heavy ADHD as a youth, and had issues in school. He's highly intuitive and obviously good at reading people. I'd bet that he's strong at financial math, like income statements and balance sheets. He's also cunning.

He's also playing an act. Ronald Reagan did too. Ike also created an image as President that didn't match the reality.

There are different kinds of smart. I wouldn't presume to be smarter than Trump without knowing him a lot better.

Ted Cruz is one kind of smart, and it makes him an outstanding appellate lawyer. There's not much else I'd hire Ted for. Trump would be a better trial lawyer in front of a jury.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 28, 2016 06:56 PM (r1fLd)

408 Trump should have found a female or a minority male imo.

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Just start a rumor that Pence is AC/DC.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 28, 2016 06:56 PM (Nwg0u)

409 The Russian military said Wednesday it's ready to resume contacts with its US counterparts over the situation in Syria, even as US Secretary of State John Kerry threatened to cut all cooperation with Moscow on Syria unless an onslaught on Aleppo ends.

Lt. Gen. Viktor Poznikhir of the military's General Staff said Wednesday that Russian experts are ready to travel to Geneva to restart consultations with the US to "search for possible ways of normalizing the situation in Aleppo."

LMAO
I guess Russia needs more concessions from Horse Face?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2016 06:57 PM (Ozsfq)

410 Problem is -- those minority and woman skew to the Bushite party left. All the women and La Raza Republicans types going for Hillary is indicative of that.

No VP material in that group, aside from Rubio -- maybe.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix

I just would have thrown Ben Carson on there, warts and all.

Clearly, both campaigns think a portion of black voters are open to supporting Trump. Ben Carson could have pulled in more than Pence.

Plus, made it harder to paint Trump's ticket as racists to college educated whites.

Oh well

Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:58 PM (onbPc)

411 For the undecideds, it would certainly help if Trump showed off some ability to get "in the weeds".

One problem with getting too detailed is that can lose people. But Trump should be able to wax eloquently on everything on his website.

But the story I remember from Bush when they made fun of him for "nucular" (instead of nuclear) ... he said he lost once to a guy that talked like a hayseed, and he determined to never again lose by sounding too elitist.

or something like that ... but there is a certain elitist snobbery that loses to the "man of the people". For Clinton it just takes her contemptuous smirk. But Trump could certainly be well served if he'd pull out a little more wonk, if he has it. I've heard glimmers of it ... but was really hoping he'd have laid it out on Hillary in debate ... he made some good points. Zero hedge guys loved his attack on Yellin.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 28, 2016 06:58 PM (n6rAX)

412 I guess Russia needs more concessions from Horse Face?

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Ivan the Negotiator: How many more concessions are you willing to give?

Kerry: (Whinnies, stamps hoof) Thump, thump, thump.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 28, 2016 07:01 PM (Nwg0u)

413 I wonder if on-line polls reflect the shy-Trump vote.

My husband is as liberal as I am conservative. The last time we discussed politics was during the Clarence Thomas hearings. We always vote, knowing we're cancelling each other out.

When you can't talk about your choice, an on-line poll is a harmless vent. There may be a lot of us.

Posted by: Wenda (sic) at September 28, 2016 07:01 PM (pZEKq)

414 or something like that ... but there is a certain elitist snobbery that loses to the "man of the people". For Clinton it just takes her contemptuous smirk. But Trump could certainly be well served if he'd pull out a little more wonk, if he has it. I've heard glimmers of it ... but was really hoping he'd have laid it out on Hillary in debate ... he made some good points. Zero hedge guys loved his attack on Yellin.
Posted by: illiniwek

The problem is, way too many people think they are part of the elite that really aren't.

A college educated person that makes $50k a year in a cubicle thinks he's head and shoulders above the plumber that makes $70k a year.

And America now has a lot of white collar workers. This group used to exclusively be Republican.

Don't have the answer but if Trump can deliver the Romney Republicans I think he would comfortably win.

Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 07:02 PM (onbPc)

415
One of my antenna stations played ...It's About Time... a couple of months
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby

It's on Sunday morning at 9 in my market on AntennaTV.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 07:04 PM (IqV8l)

416 Has the thought ever occurred to anyone that the two groups mentioned can't stand to be in the same room together. The only way you're getting the college educated elites is to completely abandon the non college educated whites. That's the condition of their support, they make the rules and the non college educated whites conform to them. That's the only way they will play.

That's what caused this dust up to begin with. The elites demand to be in charge or they won't play, but then they've been a failure at being in charge for decades now. How is Trump suppose to reconcile that? The only way is to embrace the issues that the elite class demand, and we all know what that is. Lower taxes, no matter how large the debt and deficit. Embrace all types of immigration, Embrace offshoring. Accept endless, meaning less war in the Middle East, but, and this is important, always acknowledge that Islam is a religion of peace, and we aren't at war with Islam. I suspect a divorce will be declared after this election, and we'll finally make it official.

Posted by: DFCtomm at September 28, 2016 07:06 PM (4X0M6)

417 Intelligence comes in many forms. Trump certainly has it in a few areas, but not in others. The same could be said for pretty much everyone though.

Trust me, being rich doesn't mean you have intelligence. It depends on many factors. There are many rich people who basically lucked out on timing and cashed out at the right moment, and since their big payday have failed at everything else but their one big score sustains them.

So does that one good decision of cashing out at the right moment in decades make you intelligent? I don't think so. It takes a lot more than that.

In Trump's case, he certainly didn't do that which is a credit to him. He has built many successful projects over the years so in that specific arena he has incredible intelligence for sure.

Funny thing, I actually don't credit him much with winning the GOP nomination. Basically he said immigration when nobody else did coupled with the fact that the base (myself included) are so fucking pissed off at the republican party that we were willing to do just about anything to give them the middle finger. I don't think he ran some great campaign with excellent strategy, but I think the timing was just perfect for him.

Had he run the exact same campaign four years ago or eight years ago, I don't think he would have won the nomination.

But again, all this is just goofy political talk for us folks who enjoy doing thought exercises because none of this matters.

I sure as heck hope he wins!

Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at September 28, 2016 07:06 PM (NAv1Q)

418 I had a online poll showing 100% support to Natalie Portman having our children and marrying me without a pre-nup.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 28, 2016 07:07 PM (vRd8t)

419 Ben Carson would have been eaten alive.
It would have looked like pandering (why McCain's choice of Palin backfired).

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 07:07 PM (VIn4/)

420 Wearing a candidates campaign pin is hardly out of the ordinary this election season. But doing it while conducting congressional oversight at a hearing where that candidates conduct is front-and-center thats another matter.

Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, raised eyebrows Wednesday when she showed up wearing a gold Hillary Clinton campaign pin to a House Judiciary Committee hearing dealing with the FBI probe regarding Clintons private email server.

Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2016 07:08 PM (Ozsfq)

421 I had a online poll showing 100% support to Natalie Portman having our children and marrying me without a pre-nup.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 28, 2016 07:07 PM (vRd8t)

but you don't look Jewish?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2016 07:09 PM (Ozsfq)

422 311 The Election was always going to come down to could Trump deliver a voter base that wasn't really part of the last few Presidential elections.

When you walk through something like a WalMart, there's a shit load of working class whites there that I guarantee you didn't vote for Mitt Romney and aren't part of any phone poll that I could easily see backing Trump in a big way.

Does his campaign have the ability to get these people to the polls and vote? Maybe.

Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:36 PM (

Yep.

Posted by: Bernette at September 28, 2016 07:09 PM (ru2SK)

423 I read on Zero hedge that the breakdown of college grads showing Trump losing the group making 35 grand or less but leading or tied with all other college grads based on income brackets over 35 grand.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 28, 2016 07:09 PM (vRd8t)

424 Posted by: DFCtomm at September 28, 2016 07:06 PM (4X0M6)

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Probably true...oh well.

Posted by: William Eaton at September 28, 2016 07:10 PM (KhJh8)

425 >>>421 but you don't look Jewish?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2016 07:09 PM (Ozsfq)

THAT IS NOT AN OBSTACLE IN A LOVING RELATIONSHIP

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 07:10 PM (VIn4/)

426 421 I had a online poll showing 100% support to Natalie Portman having our children and marrying me without a pre-nup.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 28, 2016 07:07 PM (vRd8t)

but you don't look Jewish?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2016 07:09 PM (Ozsfq)

Is it the green skin? The 2-D projection? The lack of hair?

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 28, 2016 07:11 PM (vRd8t)

427 Ace keeps pushing that it's about class, but there are other factors going on.

Trump loses white college women for several reasons. The older ones want Hillary as Historic First. Some don't want an Uber Daddy in office. Even in his toned down debate mode, some think that he's got too much testosterone -- they rather a guy like Tim Kaine who'd love to go antiquing on weekends.

I'd posit that white college women are overrepresented in jobs that are dependent on government spending and fear change and expect that a President Hillary will create more of these jobs: e.g health care and education. Some of this applies to college men too.

And yes there are college men who think that Trump is too gauche and beneath their superiority to be earn their vote. They tend to live in Deep Blue redoubts.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 28, 2016 07:11 PM (r1fLd)

428 3%-5% could be hiding in the tall grass right now, but will reveal themselves on election day.

I know the crowd sizes doesn't always translate into election day returns, but it has been a HUGE difference in favor of Trump. That must matter at least a little in terms of representing enthusiasm.

Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at September 28, 2016 07:12 PM (NAv1Q)

429 Yep. Which is why we should not deny ourselves the weapons of our enemy. You don't have to believe that they are a perfect barometer for an election outcome, which they are not.

Depress them. Demoralize them.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable
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Yep. The online polls are shared all over facebook with credibility of logos from Time, CNBC, Fortune, etc.

It pumps up Trump supporters, brings Leaners on board, and demoralizes Dems.

This is what the media does daily. It is only in business to demoralize Republicans and prop up Dems. It's why they're so angry and telling anchors to not report them. They know exactly what they do. It's propaganda.

Posted by: Kevin at September 28, 2016 07:12 PM (KczA1)

430 425 >>>421 but you don't look Jewish?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2016 07:09 PM (Ozsfq)

THAT IS NOT AN OBSTACLE IN A LOVING RELATIONSHIP
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 07:10 PM (VIn4

Yeah I just found out last night Winona was Jewish.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 28, 2016 07:13 PM (vRd8t)

431
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, raised eyebrows Wednesday when she showed up wearing a gold Hillary Clinton campaign pin to a House Judiciary Committee hearing dealing with the FBI probe regarding Clintons private email server.
Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup

It was made from gold extracted from a Mars rock.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 07:14 PM (IqV8l)

432 Don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but if you had taken my advice and nominated a stripper/pornstar candidate, we'd be discussing an entirely different kind of pole right now. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Weasel at September 28, 2016 07:17 PM (Sfs6o)

433 Well, the Strategic Cheap Beer Reserve says I'm drinking Hamm's tonight.
Land of Sky Blue Waters FTW !

Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at September 28, 2016 07:19 PM (Z8DIA)

434 The Election was always going to come down to could Trump deliver a
voter base that wasn't really part of the last few Presidential
elections.

When you walk through something like a WalMart, there's a shit load of
working class whites there that I guarantee you didn't vote for Mitt
Romney and aren't part of any phone poll that I could easily see backing
Trump in a big way.

Posted by: Maritime at September 28, 2016 06:36 PM

That is it. If Trump wins then there is a new nationalist/populist Republican party, but if he fails, then there will be a lot more of those people in Walmart who never vote GOP again. They'll just give up, and disappear from the political landscape.

Posted by: DFCtomm at September 28, 2016 07:20 PM (4X0M6)

435 429 Yep. Which is why we should not deny ourselves the weapons of our enemy. You don't have to believe that they are a perfect barometer for an election outcome, which they are not.

Depress them. Demoralize them.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable
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Yep. The online polls are shared all over facebook with credibility of logos from Time, CNBC, Fortune, etc.

It pumps up Trump supporters, brings Leaners on board, and demoralizes Dems.

This is what the media does daily. It is only in business to demoralize Republicans and prop up Dems. It's why they're so angry and telling anchors to not report them. They know exactly what they do. It's propaganda.
Posted by: Kevin at September 28, 2016 07:12 PM (KczA1)

Exactly. And conservatives and republicans suck at the propaganda game compared to the left. 2008 and 2012 are great examples of it. This time I'm not taking no for an answer when it comes to pushing the propaganda to demoralize the left. Their rules

If the Dems, GOPe, The MSM, and all other corporations push those phoney polls as validation for their side then by golly use their own weapons against them.

And it has been working thus time around. Their rules are their rules I play by to win. Anything else is losing.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 28, 2016 07:20 PM (vRd8t)

436 Most people who strongly dislike the media do not participate in polls.

These people skew strongly to a candidate that feels the same way.

They are much more than 10%.

Posted by: seamrog at September 28, 2016 07:20 PM (HeT/X)

437 >>>It was made from gold extracted from a Mars rock.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 07:14 PM (IqV8l)

The Man-Wolf!!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 07:21 PM (d3Ee6)

438 The Man-Wolf!!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 07:21 PM (d3Ee6)

That was a moon rock J. Jonah but I'll give you style points for the obscure reference.

Posted by: DFCtomm at September 28, 2016 07:23 PM (4X0M6)

439 "It's hard to vote for a guy you not only suspect you're smarter than (this happens in most elections) but are sure you're a lot smarter than."

Meh. All these people who think they're so much smarter than the billionaire can show me their bank statements and explain why they're not super-rich.

Posted by: Rick C at September 28, 2016 07:23 PM (ITnFO)

440 Ace fantasizes he's in a variant of the old SNL skit with Michael Dukasis:

I can't believe I'm voting for this guy!

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 28, 2016 07:26 PM (r1fLd)

441 >>>439 Meh. All these people who think they're so much smarter than the billionaire can show me their bank statements and explain why they're not super-rich.
Posted by: Rick C at September 28, 2016 07:23 PM (ITnFO)

Choice, man!!

:::said behind the Gas N Go on a Friday night:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 07:28 PM (d3Ee6)

442 Ah yes the scientific polls that promise a moe of 2 Pts, with one showing Trump plus 5 and another Clinton plus 7.

Those scientific polls????

Posted by: Charles at September 28, 2016 07:30 PM (G8vOc)

443
Huma and her all-start Sharia Band. Another reason to vote against hillary.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 28, 2016 07:31 PM (ODxAs)

444 And there is this:
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/09/27/giant-ring-trump-supporters-busted-rigging-online-polls.html

Posted by: sippin_bourbon at September 28, 2016 07:32 PM (/ksKU)

445
I also can't believe F'ing congress is going to let obama give US control of the internet away. I guess they don't like us talking bad about them either.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 28, 2016 07:32 PM (ODxAs)

446 Wholeheartedly agree with your post, Ace.

Posted by: Sassy at September 28, 2016 07:32 PM (N0NIZ)

447 When all you can see and are exposed to is beta males, these women fall into the my boyfriend is really my best girl friend. Go ahead little beta boys and keep crunching your nuts in skinny jeans. You don't have to dress right or left you can go straight up the middle.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2016 07:33 PM (4iNxp)

448 online polls are not polls, that's true... but there is something you can glean from them - passion level.

may not win the election, but then again if it's close, it can.

Posted by: Shoey at September 28, 2016 07:35 PM (vA94g)

449 passion level??

Posted by: sippin_bourbon at September 28, 2016 07:41 PM (/ksKU)

450 I thought it was cute when Ace mentioned Trump needing College educated people and after mentioning morons who put stake in online polls or in fact most any polls at this point in time.

Posted by: Drider at September 28, 2016 07:42 PM (6Xbsz)

451 "Meh. All these people who think they're so much smarter than the billionaire can show me their bank statements and explain why they're not super-rich.

Posted by: Rick C at September 28, 2016 07:23 PM (ITnFO) "

So LeBron James, Beyonce and Jay-Z are smarter than me? If you want to believe wealth = intelligence, fine, but there are a lot of holes in that theory.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 28, 2016 07:44 PM (kumBu)

452 Anyone with a job--technical, mechanical or managerial--and who isn't concerned about their career longevity is living in dreamland. Supporting Hillary is a sure sign of a defective survival instinct, no matter how gifted-genius you are.

Posted by: Yankee_Doodler at September 28, 2016 07:45 PM (XmkaW)

453 You mean these guys:

http://amgreatness.com/2016/09/28/writes-scholars-for-trump/

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 28, 2016 07:53 PM (OkKDg)

454 Online polls are self-selecting samples with not even a pretense of random seleciton and are determined by who cares enough about a bullshit fake poll to even waste his time with a mouse-click.

From what I've been able to tell, unscientifically, Ace just described the set of Everyone Who Uses Facebook.

Posted by: Lance Justison at September 28, 2016 07:58 PM (ED6yo)

455 Meh. All these people who think they're so much smarter than the billionaire can show me their bank statements and explain why they're not super-rich.

Saying [X] must be smart because he's wealthy is pretty damned elitist, no?

Posted by: AD at September 28, 2016 08:03 PM (924j6)

456 A lot of college educated men, like myself, keep our mouths shut about voting for Trump. Inevitably some loudmouth liberal at work or on social media will spout off about Trump voters...how they're racists, misogynists, stupid, etc. Who the hell wants to get in those arguments?

Posted by: Mike at September 28, 2016 08:06 PM (c056A)

457 At college, which then & there was a 5% slice of the population, I got to meet some genuinely smart people. I realized I was not actually tall enough for the physics ride. I could remember critical insights for several minutes after having them explained to me, but they never bedded in as useful tools. But multivariate calculus has been good to me. So there's that.

Proud? I didn't do it. A few generations of smart men preferentially marrying smart women, plus a good roll of the meiotic dice. None of it praiseworthy, or anything to be proud of per se.

But there is something to conserve and pass forward. I haven't been particularly good at staying married to smart women. In fact, I suck at it. But there's still a couple of kids out there who got the benefit of the deck we've been stacking for them for at least 3 generations that I know of.

Not particularly proud of the rest of the job I've done for my posterity, all things considered. I should have paid more attention.

Posted by: phunctor at September 28, 2016 08:07 PM (mzTVj)

458 I get it now. It's all those twenty three year old Trump supporters skewing these.

Posted by: Doug at September 28, 2016 08:22 PM (1VStT)

459 I have to say I am genuinely surprised that some people still think it was a good idea to go to Iraq a second time. You learn new shit every day.

Posted by: #neverskankles at September 28, 2016 08:23 PM (1JAxC)

460 Any measure of college-educated males' antipathy for Trump is meaningless without adjusting for the external variable "p."

"P" makes the world go 'round.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at September 28, 2016 08:31 PM (97XyN)

461 "This class is very class-conscience and proud to be "educated." They're very proud that they have degrees. Like 67 million other Americans, or about 36% of the US population age 25 and above.
It's not exactly winning the Heismann Trophy.
Yet they're very proud of their class status.
And they find it hard to support a man who seems to either 1, be far below their class status despite being wealthy, or 2, who seems only interested in catering to the ignorances of the less well-educated."

Ace, this characterization, at least in the context of supporting Trump, is completely wrong-headed. Do you really think this demo (on the Romney-voting side) wouldn't have made peace with it were Palin the 2016 nominee? This is your version of the the "I Fucking Love Science" stealth brag, where the purpose is self-affirmation rather than explanation. It's not a moral indictment of any social class to vote similarly to their peers. If the working class thinks the white collar class is against the country's interest, they're free to vote accordingly, and the white collar class is just as free to "punch down" at the ballot box. Your argument has that been that the white collar cohort has been getting their way completely for years (maybe true of donor class, not so true of college-educated Republican voters in, say, Pennsylvania generally), and the second they don't they take their ball and go home, but that's been every social group's prerogative every election, and it is a fundamental one to our relationship with a party coalition. What, besides your own vain, undefiable moral principles, suggests that noblesse oblige votes must be cast by anyone on behalf of an unfamiliar idea of the country's best interest (which, only by coincidence, coincides with your idea of the country's best interest)?

Were you also betraying the white working class during the primary election by then attacking so viciously the candidate you now claim as their champion and avatar, and proclaiming your wish that he be denied the nomination at the RNC? When your personal interests lied elsewhere, was it pride in your social status as a mind-worker that lead to your claiming in the primaries that Trump was so morally grotesque and personally diminishing that Hillary was preferable? Or did you just react to shocking events by the reasoning of your moral instinct learned over your lifetime? Which happened to be different than the millions of more pro-Trump Republicans, but people reason differently.

The statistics I read a few months ago were that Trump was underperforming Romney among non-college educated whites. Recent statistics I guess show him overperforming Romney now (at least with males in this demographic, don't recall if that also applies to the demographic overall or to females in that demographic). It would be insane to argue that those blue collar whites who are supporting Trump but didn't vote for Romney (who buy your logic, helped give us 8 years of Obama) wronged the Republican coalition that they now seek influence in, or to take that logic and argue that because of their relatively higher social standing they actually owe it to poor blacks to vote Democrat. The simple fact is that Trump, and the Republican Party's new subservience to Trumpism, is morally and politically repugnant to millions of Republican voters. That some demographics are more willing in aggregate to make peace with this development doesn't mean that others are morally betraying the party to not follow their lead down an alien path. Were those the moral terms our previous party cohesion, that cohesion would not have existed in the first place. It's undeniable that Trump represents a bait and switch of the terms, articulated for decades, on which the case to support the Republican Party has been made. For Christian believers (which probably most college educated Republicans are), there is no luxury in their moral system to discard moral principal as vanity as you would ask them to. You can argue people are fools for ignoring or rationalizing past bait-and-switches by party leadership, but you can't argue they're fools for not falling in line with an openly foreign ideology. And this argument to abandon it is coming from you, who fad hops from Milton Friedman-ism and libertarianism, to neo-conservatism, to Let it Burn/Leave the Party, to now I guess some form nationalist paleo-conservatism (and most repugnantly, from an intense contrarian to someone emotionally incensed at the thought of party disloyalty) with minimal justification beyond "I was wrong then", where a fan for years like myself can't keep with what you even want out of this party and its adherents. You're judging them on your fickle moods, and trying to pass it off as a moral assessment.

Ace, these arguments you've been making against anti-Trump Republicans obviously have a basis in arguments you've been making for years about elite cultural policing and status consciousness, but in the older context you were arguing against acts of social coercion, whereas now you've perverted these arguments into an attempted social coercion of contrarians and dissidents. You justify this by rationalizing that college educated Republicans are effectively foot soldiers of the leftist elites you criticized in the past, and always have been, but that is an obscene characterization of dissent from a specific political personality. Especially when we're talking about thousands of strangers in Pennsylvania whose only say is voting for the Republican ticket every 2 or 4 years.

Posted by: reform highlander at September 28, 2016 08:32 PM (jCH/T)

462 Ace, your arguments to anti-Trump Republicans with college degrees and marginally high brow publications (apparently exempting those like Coulter, who are college educated, well written, and get to write for National Review, but who agree with your editorial bias) are basically: they should check their privilege, not punch down, stop speaking over marginalized voices, and I can't even my podcast right now because JohnE and DrewM and Charles Cooke are being so ideology-normative that I can't even. If only there were special podcasts for demi-libertarian, trans-neo paleo-conservative, class traitor/class non-identifying, non-Republican identifying except during general election season, Christianist-agnostic atheist, social order nationalist authoritarians who prefer to identify as free agent contrarians.

Posted by: reform highlander at September 28, 2016 08:33 PM (jCH/T)

463 Ace, you seem to forget there are quite a lot of college-educated people who are right now unemployed or in danger of losing their jobs because of outsourcing or abuse of H2B laws. The same people are quite anxious or outraged at it... I'm sure many of them are paying close attention to Trump.

Also, both my hubby and I have college degrees... and are voting Trump.

Posted by: theduchessofkitty at September 28, 2016 08:46 PM (5PJoo)

464 Oh for fuck's sake!!! This is a CONTEST, remember?

Trump is fucking trying to win a fucking election against a criminal enterprise that has media and legal protection. It's a racket, pure and simple.

Who gives a fuck if Trump brags about his online popularity? It's totally normal and would be stupid not too!

Just watch the House Judiciary hearing with Comey today......you will see what we are up against.

Posted by: Pam at September 28, 2016 08:56 PM (cF0hS)

465 Trump is fucking trying to win a fucking election against a criminal enterprise that has media and legal protection. It's a racket, pure and simple.

Knowing that, you know what I'd like? A guy who prepared for debates.

Posted by: AD at September 28, 2016 08:58 PM (924j6)

466 Online polls are fundamentally entertainment. But so are all other public political polls. All polls can give some useful insights, but they exist to provide fodder for the preferred ongoing campaign narrative and if they don't do that then the results are reframed until they do. Or the polls just aren't done in the first place.

But "who won the debate" isn't a real fact or action that can be meaningfully measured. There's no score, no metrics. The poll results are not intended to be predictive, and they're not falsifiable. It's pure opinion. Online polls don't control well for fraud and selection bias--but bias is basically the thing you're trying to measure. It's is so vague and subjective that I wonder if the trappings of statistical rigor really matter much.

Posted by: GalosGann at September 28, 2016 09:07 PM (md1b/)

467 Well, we go to war with the candidate we have, don't we?

Same as we always do, every four years.

Posted by: Pam at September 28, 2016 09:14 PM (cF0hS)

468 463, 467 and many others are right....

My husband just got his reduction in force (RIF) notice. The company is out-sourcing to Costa Rica. We are both college educated in STEM areas. We are both voting Trump. And we are actively encouraging other family members to do the same.

What other choice do we have? Hillary, corrupt, crooked...I second the sentiment "..We go to war with the candidates we have.."

Posted by: FL Conservative at September 28, 2016 09:26 PM (7odhD)

469 However, he's lost huge support from college-educated whites.

This class is very class-conscience and proud to be "educated." They're very proud that they have degrees. Like 67 million other Americans, or about 31% of the US population age 25 and above.

It's not exactly winning the Heismann Trophy.

Yet they're very proud of their class status.

And they find it hard to support a man who seems to either 1, be far below their class status despite being wealthy, or 2, who seems only interested in catering to the ignorances of the less well-educated.

Maybe they're not supporting Trump, not because the Lumpenproletariat hold their nose as their "lessers", but because they honestly just don't like Trump?

If Trump's campaign can't appeal to them, then that is the campaign's fault.

Posted by: The Political Hat at September 28, 2016 09:50 PM (vBeA5)

470 Gee, I don't remember Romney winning any freeped polls in 2012; Obama always did that.

I wonder what that indicates for 2016?

Posted by: andycanuck at September 28, 2016 10:25 PM (LdMbv)

471 Because the working class gets their child-rearing basically paid for, while the middle-class has to pay for their own kids, there isn't much aside from the college degree to separate those classes. So of course the middle-class puts stock in that, they have to, in most of rural America they aren't living in separate enclaves and their spending power isn't vastly superior.

As Paul Fussel noted, the high proles generally make more than the people who are middle-class solely by virtue of occupation. Class anxiety is almost always directed downwards, so that distinction is one that everyone with a middling office job and a degree in whatever from Southeast State U is going to highlight.

Posted by: Cjw at September 28, 2016 10:47 PM (FGNtS)

472 He's semi-plausibly spinning a debate loss, ace. Geez. Do you want him to go out and give a speech to a rally of ten thousand people and talk about how he got the shit kicked out of him by a corrupt, lying criminal on live TV in front of 90 million Americans?

Posted by: WARPIG at September 28, 2016 10:59 PM (KL5Ns)

473 I am a college educated white male who has been supporting Trump ever since he first said he would build a wall. Here is a newsflash for you, college is a joke nowadays.

You say online polls are meaningless. Should I place more trust in a "scientific" poll that is D +8, +9, +10?

Posted by: Spudskie at September 28, 2016 11:21 PM (cID/9)

474 Comey said he would likely fire someone who did what she did but under the facts would not prosecute them.
*******
Erf to Comey...if you fired them for a non prosecutable offense then they are suing you for wrongful discharge. Someone needs to ask him how many people he's ever fired and how many employees he's ever prosecuted. We all know how many .gov employees ever get fired.

Posted by: torabora at September 28, 2016 11:33 PM (tQqt4)

475 Comey, how many .gov employees have private servers to do .gov business? You wouldn't know would you.

Posted by: torabora at September 28, 2016 11:35 PM (tQqt4)

476 The College degree canard. Remember when that intellectual magazine Play Boy claimed that most of their readers/chicken chokers. were college educated.

Posted by: Buffalbob at September 29, 2016 12:15 AM (wYtsh)

477 a lot of college educated whites voted for Obumbles. Twice!

I don't care how educated people are, if they have no common sense all you have is an educated fool.

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at September 29, 2016 01:13 AM (SXa8W)

478 "college educated whites"

Everything said is just cover stories. They (college educated whites) rather have a sinecure in hell than a job in heaven. See it everyday and it taint just whites. Group wanting sinecures isn't demarcated.

Posted by: Ok at September 29, 2016 05:59 AM (xD8RA)

479 FOX news was taken over by Hillary's syndicate.

Posted by: Ok at September 29, 2016 06:00 AM (xD8RA)

480 Perhaps correct, but most of these media polls are mathematical garbage . . . has anyone every checked to see how Real Clear Politics weights averages of polls. Lighten up, they're all trash.

Posted by: rplat at September 29, 2016 08:01 AM (r21s9)

481 >Can the entire online right just get its shit together and finally comprehend there is no such thing as an "online poll"? It says right at the bottom: Not a scientific poll. For entertainment purposes only.

No. Because it's fun, and frankly, it builds morale among a lot of people, it showcases an aspect of his support, and yes, stupid people may be encouraged or discouraged by time.

>This class is very class-conscience and proud to be "educated." They're very proud that they have degrees. Like 67 million other Americans, or about 31% of the US population age 25 and above.

Bad news: the '67 million other Americans who have degrees' are very often dumb as fucking dirt. Because degrees don't convey intelligence. They convey debt.

Considering your track record this election, you may want to cut back on the angsty, baseless lecturing. You feel bad when people on your side are getting excited and encouraged by something you find dumb? Suck it the fuck up.

But it makes you feel bad because you have a degree and you don't want to be considered dumb? Stop caring what other people think of you, snowflake.

Trump will not get (in public) the people who are frantically concerned with their self___, because no amount of good behavior on the part of the base will correct how they're portrayed. If you haven't learned that yet, you really are pretty goddamn dumb.

Posted by: DDT at September 29, 2016 10:06 AM (DUynq)

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