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Trump's Equivocal, Maybe-He-Should-Wait, I-Don't-Know Answer on Cavuto
I wouldn't say this proves Trump's claim that he was "totally against the Iraq War," but it definitely proves the media are liars in claiming that his one casual "I don't know, guess we gotta do something' statement on Howard Stern (in 2002) was his only statement on the matter.
He is not strongly against the war here -- but he is leaning against it. And he's certainly more against it than Senator Hillary Clinton was, who voted to go to war.Comments
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Posted by: weew at September 27, 2016 05:57 PM (6EH85)
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I hate the media.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at September 27, 2016 05:58 PM (kXoT0)
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Posted by: weew at September 27, 2016 05:58 PM (6EH85)
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Couldn't ask more of a private citizen to be against it during the massive cheerleading for it at the time.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 27, 2016 05:59 PM (rTMHK)
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Evening all.
Posted by: Beth M at September 27, 2016 05:59 PM (kiy9d)
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Trump was basically not opposed to it (should have done it right the first time) then came out more so as time went on. Its the wrong position to take, but he's been more consistent than Hillary has been, for sure.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:00 PM (39g3+)
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BFD. It's not an issue to me.
Any more than all those anti-war lefties have an issue with the fact that the fat bitch voted FOR it (just like Kerry).
Any more than all those anti-war lefties have an issue with the fact that the fat bitch voted FOR it (just like Kerry).
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 27, 2016 06:00 PM (uyrlv)
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If Trump manages to beat Hillary, the MSM, the NeverTrumpers, and the Poobahs of the GOP, then he will have pulled off one hell of a win.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at September 27, 2016 06:00 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at September 27, 2016 06:00 PM (4ng05)
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Hopefully, the next debate will have more Trump-sucking-the-political-oxygen-away-from-the-... moderator ...
Fortunately, it will have les Holt.
Hopefully, the next debate will have more Trump-sucking-the-political-oxygen-away-from-the-... moderator ...
Fortunately, it will have les Holt.
Posted by: Arbalest the Deplorable at September 27, 2016 06:00 PM (FlRtG)
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Yes, I know crooked Hillary and crooked media, but current Iraq and Syria wars seem much more important.
Posted by: Beth M at September 27, 2016 06:01 PM (kiy9d)
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He is not strongly against the war here -- but he is leaning against it.
Which was a big mistake. The Iraq War was necessary. The fact that Bush mucked it up with his retarded "hearts and minds", touchy, feely, nation-building for savages bullshit doesn't take away from that.
Which was a big mistake. The Iraq War was necessary. The fact that Bush mucked it up with his retarded "hearts and minds", touchy, feely, nation-building for savages bullshit doesn't take away from that.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 27, 2016 06:01 PM (zc3Db)
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Trump was not in government and had no vote on the war but he's supposed to be pilloried for it when Hillary voted for it? She;s playing to her base because with everything going on I don't think undecideds are wringing their hands about what private citizen Trump may have casually said about the war.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 27, 2016 06:02 PM (EnGQE)
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I posted this yesterday but worth repeating: from buzzfeed:
For months, Donald Trump has claimed that he
opposed the Iraq War before the invasion began -- as an example of his
great judgment on foreign policy issues.
But in a 2002 interview with Howard Stern, Donald Trump said he supported an Iraq invasion.
In the interview, which took place on Sept. 11, 2002, Stern asked Trump directly if he was for invading Iraq.
"Yeah, I guess so," Trump responded. "I wish the first time it was done correctly."
[do you want to marry me? yeah, I guess so.]
For months, Donald Trump has claimed that he
opposed the Iraq War before the invasion began -- as an example of his
great judgment on foreign policy issues.
But in a 2002 interview with Howard Stern, Donald Trump said he supported an Iraq invasion.
In the interview, which took place on Sept. 11, 2002, Stern asked Trump directly if he was for invading Iraq.
"Yeah, I guess so," Trump responded. "I wish the first time it was done correctly."
[do you want to marry me? yeah, I guess so.]
Posted by: mallfly version 1.00203c at September 27, 2016 06:03 PM (2JQBv)
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At this point, what difference does it make?
Seriously, get off it. We are not winning an election being the pussy candidate.
Misplaced priorities. Talk about the economy AND honesty.
Seriously, get off it. We are not winning an election being the pussy candidate.
Misplaced priorities. Talk about the economy AND honesty.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 27, 2016 06:03 PM (NbJXF)
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This is just the Democrats playing on defense, trying to push back against Trump bashing Hillary on the war. Its weaksauce and I think most of the country is going "who really gives a crap?"
I mean, for college students, the Iraq War was like ... ancient history.
I mean, for college students, the Iraq War was like ... ancient history.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:03 PM (39g3+)
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I was concerned about all beating of the war drums for Iraq. I felt that it would take a lot of the focus off of Afghanistan, where I thought the fight should be. After we went in, I figured that now that we are there, we should do the job right. Nation building was not the job for our military.
Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at September 27, 2016 06:03 PM (9iR5/)
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Who's the next totally unbiased sterling professional who's the moderator when Trump and Hillary go at it again?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 27, 2016 06:04 PM (EnGQE)
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Which was a big mistake. The Iraq War was necessary. The fact that Bush mucked it up with his retarded "hearts and minds", touchy, feely, nation-building for savages bullshit doesn't take away from that.
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I wonder if that's the part that Trump saw coming. As in, we should have done whatever necessary to keep weapons out of Saddam's hands and left the total transformation of Arab society to the next Crusaders.
Which was a big mistake. The Iraq War was necessary. The fact that Bush mucked it up with his retarded "hearts and minds", touchy, feely, nation-building for savages bullshit doesn't take away from that.
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I wonder if that's the part that Trump saw coming. As in, we should have done whatever necessary to keep weapons out of Saddam's hands and left the total transformation of Arab society to the next Crusaders.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at September 27, 2016 06:04 PM (oGNNA)
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I may be way off-base here, but I think Citizen Trump's opinion on whether we should go to war or not in Iraq is irrelevant compared to Senator Clinton actual vote to go to war. Especially when the Senator is arguing that Citizen is somehow irredeemable for possibly holding an opinion once that maybe we should go to war in Iraq.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 27, 2016 06:04 PM (P/kVC)
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By private citizens, I mean not holding a government office.
Perhaps Trump was totally against it in private but couldn't speak against it vocally as he should have. So he kept giving these damning with faint praise responses, if you can even call it that.
Perhaps Trump was totally against it in private but couldn't speak against it vocally as he should have. So he kept giving these damning with faint praise responses, if you can even call it that.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 27, 2016 06:05 PM (rTMHK)
Posted by: Stupid fucking Hillary Votebots at September 27, 2016 06:05 PM (5JBUT)
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I was against going into Iraq the second time. Why? I knew when Bush scheduled the vote to just before the elections the Dems would be all for it until after the election and then would do everything they could do to thwart it. I had already been through one war where we abandoned it after Dems took over and then all the lives spent and treasure were just wasted. Got into a yuuuge argument with my brother at his son's wedding reception over it.
I was right too. We abandoned it.
I was right too. We abandoned it.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 27, 2016 06:05 PM (mpXpK)
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I never thought our candidate would be trying to out pacify a democrat.
It is insulting to all that served and ignores the REAL facts. Iraq DID have WMD, even the N Y Slime now admits that. Where the hell do you think Syria got the ones they have?
It is insulting to all that served and ignores the REAL facts. Iraq DID have WMD, even the N Y Slime now admits that. Where the hell do you think Syria got the ones they have?
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 27, 2016 06:05 PM (NbJXF)
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I am wondering if this is inside baseball, in that only politically aware people care. I don't think LIV's give a crap, they vote the kardashian method, who looks better for prez.
I am wondering if this is inside baseball, in that only politically aware people care. I don't think LIV's give a crap, they vote the kardashian method, who looks better for prez.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 27, 2016 06:05 PM (ODxAs)
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It looks like DJT hunkered down on a more firmly anti-war stance when Hannity called him on his then less firm stance. That would be a Trumpian thing to do.
I was for the war, moderately , but more anti the America hating fuckheads that were the main face of the anti-war movement as of 2003. I was younger then and easier to troll.
I was for the war, moderately , but more anti the America hating fuckheads that were the main face of the anti-war movement as of 2003. I was younger then and easier to troll.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 27, 2016 06:06 PM (QxhSw)
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The FAB supporters have flipped to the stand that she voted with what information she had. IOW's not her fault, and probably a variation of Bush lied people died.
This has definitely morphed and those pro-votes by Democrats are excused.
This has definitely morphed and those pro-votes by Democrats are excused.
Posted by: Chupacabra at September 27, 2016 06:06 PM (0dXaM)
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One more time:
Nation Building: going into a horrendous mess like Kosovo, Somalia, or Syria and "fixing" it, to make a nice place of it.
NOT Nation Building: Invading a hostile nation that has violated cease fire over a decade, then rebuilding it from the damage inflicted.
Get the difference here?
Nation Building: going into a horrendous mess like Kosovo, Somalia, or Syria and "fixing" it, to make a nice place of it.
NOT Nation Building: Invading a hostile nation that has violated cease fire over a decade, then rebuilding it from the damage inflicted.
Get the difference here?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:06 PM (39g3+)
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11 Yes, I know crooked Hillary and crooked media, but current Iraq and Syria wars seem much more important.
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That's why Hillary doesn't want to talk about them.
11 Yes, I know crooked Hillary and crooked media, but current Iraq and Syria wars seem much more important.
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That's why Hillary doesn't want to talk about them.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at September 27, 2016 06:06 PM (oGNNA)
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The thing to remember is in 2003 Donald J. Trump was a private citizen, just like the rest of us poor schnooks. He was privy to the same info as the rest of us.
On the other hand, Hilary R. Clinton was a Senator and voted positively and affirmatively for the Iraq War. And that was based on all the info that the intelligence agencies had, flawed or not.
Q.E. fucking D.
The thing to remember is in 2003 Donald J. Trump was a private citizen, just like the rest of us poor schnooks. He was privy to the same info as the rest of us.
On the other hand, Hilary R. Clinton was a Senator and voted positively and affirmatively for the Iraq War. And that was based on all the info that the intelligence agencies had, flawed or not.
Q.E. fucking D.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 27, 2016 06:06 PM (9P3OG)
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Trump led Hillary into the Iraq War the same way he led her into the Birther shit.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 27, 2016 06:06 PM (oVJmc)
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27 The FAB supporters have flipped to the stand that she voted with what information she had. IOW's not her fault, and probably a variation of Bush lied people died.
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Sounds like bad judgment to me. Also bad negotiating. I mean, if her brother-in-law could roll her, how's she going to outsmart Russia and China?
27 The FAB supporters have flipped to the stand that she voted with what information she had. IOW's not her fault, and probably a variation of Bush lied people died.
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Sounds like bad judgment to me. Also bad negotiating. I mean, if her brother-in-law could roll her, how's she going to outsmart Russia and China?
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at September 27, 2016 06:07 PM (oGNNA)
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This will go better on this thread.
I don't know how much overall play it will get but at least for me here Trump has his ad at the top of YouTube that plays with his kids talking about him, such as interrupting a conference with a CEO to talk to them for a few minutes. And sneaking down with his daughter to the vending machine. That monster.
I don't know how much overall play it will get but at least for me here Trump has his ad at the top of YouTube that plays with his kids talking about him, such as interrupting a conference with a CEO to talk to them for a few minutes. And sneaking down with his daughter to the vending machine. That monster.
Posted by: Buzzion at September 27, 2016 06:08 PM (z/Ubi)
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Nation Building: going into a horrendous mess like Kosovo, Somalia, or Syria and "fixing" it, to make a nice place of it.
Not to worry. I have solution.
Not to worry. I have solution.
Posted by: Count Potemkin at September 27, 2016 06:08 PM (he3IA)
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I blame Bush for leaving the heavy lifting of defending the war to his supporters, while he himself decided to be "above the fray."
That stupid fucking attitude is what gave us Obama and why Iraq is a shitshow now.
That stupid fucking attitude is what gave us Obama and why Iraq is a shitshow now.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 27, 2016 06:08 PM (5JBUT)
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It's getting tough to figure out who lies and obfuscates more: Illary or the media. They have the same hive mind......
Posted by: the deplorable chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at September 27, 2016 06:08 PM (G2Sc9)
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When they ask Trump for his tax return, he should say that you need to vote for him to find out what's in it - away from the fog of the election.
When Hillary said she was happy her father never worked for Trump, Trump should have responded, "And I'm happy my son wasn't in Benghazi under your watch."
When Hillary demanded apologies from Trump, Trump should have responded, "Certainly - as soon as you apologize for lying to the mothers of the men killed in Benghazi."
And on and on.
I would think he could have beat her like a rented red-headed step-mule. Don't understand what happened.
When Hillary said she was happy her father never worked for Trump, Trump should have responded, "And I'm happy my son wasn't in Benghazi under your watch."
When Hillary demanded apologies from Trump, Trump should have responded, "Certainly - as soon as you apologize for lying to the mothers of the men killed in Benghazi."
And on and on.
I would think he could have beat her like a rented red-headed step-mule. Don't understand what happened.
Posted by: kathysaysso at September 27, 2016 06:08 PM (43OZ6)
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Further to #30, Donald Trump might very well have been wavering or unsure but that was based on the info that a private citizen had, released from the government.
Hilary Clinton was and still is government.
Further to #30, Donald Trump might very well have been wavering or unsure but that was based on the info that a private citizen had, released from the government.
Hilary Clinton was and still is government.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 27, 2016 06:09 PM (9P3OG)
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I think the correct populist Trump answer is it was a mistake to go in, and a colossally stupid decision to leave. Hillary wrong on both counts.
I think the correct populist Trump answer is it was a mistake to go in, and a colossally stupid decision to leave. Hillary wrong on both counts.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 27, 2016 06:09 PM (ODxAs)
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absolutely.
there were several instances of demonstrably false accusations against trump.
but, gee, a lot of sites and people are gushing about how well trump did, and while i didn't see the first hal of the show, i just don't see it. i thought he came across poorly.
there were several instances of demonstrably false accusations against trump.
but, gee, a lot of sites and people are gushing about how well trump did, and while i didn't see the first hal of the show, i just don't see it. i thought he came across poorly.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 27, 2016 06:09 PM (WTSFk)
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Trump was a member of John Q. Public when he made the remarks... Hillary was a Senator who voted for it... All the quotes I see trump made on the subject were hardly ringing endorsements...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 27, 2016 06:09 PM (O2RFr)
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the massive cheerleading for it at the time.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 27, 2016 05:59 PM (rTMHK)
This is a good point.
Hell....I could smell the World Trade Center burning if the wind was blowing from the South, and I was fvcking gung-ho to nuke most of the Arab world!
In retrospect I was ignorant of the long-term repercussions of the kind of war we were capable of fighting.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 27, 2016 05:59 PM (rTMHK)
This is a good point.
Hell....I could smell the World Trade Center burning if the wind was blowing from the South, and I was fvcking gung-ho to nuke most of the Arab world!
In retrospect I was ignorant of the long-term repercussions of the kind of war we were capable of fighting.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 27, 2016 06:09 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket...forever censored at September 27, 2016 06:09 PM (NwIkk)
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This is one of the most bogus claims against Trump.
Any sensible person would see this for what it is. He doesn't know enough about it and basically shrugs it off with a half answer.
Then, thereafter, he was committed to not going. I'm sick of people really trying to bend this to their agenda.
Why is it so hard to tell the truth, no matter the side these days?
This is one of the most bogus claims against Trump.
Any sensible person would see this for what it is. He doesn't know enough about it and basically shrugs it off with a half answer.
Then, thereafter, he was committed to not going. I'm sick of people really trying to bend this to their agenda.
Why is it so hard to tell the truth, no matter the side these days?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 27, 2016 06:10 PM (qCMvj)
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I wonder if that's the part that Trump saw coming. As in, we should have done whatever necessary to keep weapons out of Saddam's hands and left the total transformation of Arab society to the next Crusaders.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at September 27, 2016 06:04 PM (oGNNA)
I would tend to doubt it. Taking down saddam was removing one of the main trio of threats from from the arab/persian/muslim world. The threats broke down, generally, as sunni, shiite and secular. Saddam was the easiest and most important secular threat to remove and that provided a springboard to neutralize the shiite threat in iran.
I don't think anyone figured on Bush pulling all the shit he did in the post-war. That was pretty much news to everyone. Most of us thought he was going to do the right thing and take the oil fields, which would have then freed us to work on iran.
But Bush took so much heat from the left about the oil thing - "no blood for oil", which was laughable as oil is the lifeblood of the world; if you're going to shed blood for something oil is right there at the top of the list as the world depends on it and it is the foundation of any power the APM world has - that he broke down and couldn't manage to follow up anything other than his asinine nation-building in a land of primitives.
I don't think Trump was tossing any of this around in his opposition because it was pretty much of a surprise to everyone. Though, to be fair, there was already evidence of Bush's reluctance to fight war as war in Afghanistan, from the very start.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at September 27, 2016 06:04 PM (oGNNA)
I would tend to doubt it. Taking down saddam was removing one of the main trio of threats from from the arab/persian/muslim world. The threats broke down, generally, as sunni, shiite and secular. Saddam was the easiest and most important secular threat to remove and that provided a springboard to neutralize the shiite threat in iran.
I don't think anyone figured on Bush pulling all the shit he did in the post-war. That was pretty much news to everyone. Most of us thought he was going to do the right thing and take the oil fields, which would have then freed us to work on iran.
But Bush took so much heat from the left about the oil thing - "no blood for oil", which was laughable as oil is the lifeblood of the world; if you're going to shed blood for something oil is right there at the top of the list as the world depends on it and it is the foundation of any power the APM world has - that he broke down and couldn't manage to follow up anything other than his asinine nation-building in a land of primitives.
I don't think Trump was tossing any of this around in his opposition because it was pretty much of a surprise to everyone. Though, to be fair, there was already evidence of Bush's reluctance to fight war as war in Afghanistan, from the very start.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 27, 2016 06:11 PM (zc3Db)
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At the time I remember the disquiet feeling I had about the concept of invading Iraq, something I am sure most people felt. I wasn't as clever as Vic to assume treason and evil on the part of the Democrats (although I should have known), but instead it was just an uncomfortable gut feeling.
Is this worth it? The money, the men's lives? Is it worth going to war over? Should we do this? In the end I studied both sides and the facts on the ground as well as history and decided, yes, it has to be done. But it wasn't an easy decision.
Is this worth it? The money, the men's lives? Is it worth going to war over? Should we do this? In the end I studied both sides and the facts on the ground as well as history and decided, yes, it has to be done. But it wasn't an easy decision.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:11 PM (39g3+)
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But what did Trump say about the Doolittle raid? Was he for or against it?
Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at September 27, 2016 06:11 PM (8ZskC)
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I would think he could have beat her like a rented red-headed step-mule. Don't understand what happened.
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He pulled his punches on purpose, on one hand raining fire on Hillary like that would have been orgasmic, on the other hand it increases the risks that he would get Lazioed.
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He pulled his punches on purpose, on one hand raining fire on Hillary like that would have been orgasmic, on the other hand it increases the risks that he would get Lazioed.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 27, 2016 06:11 PM (5JBUT)
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The obvious question Hillary is avoiding, if you think your vote was a mistake doesn't that call into question your decision making ability on matters of war and peace?
If you don't think it was a mistake why couldn't you persuade Obama not to pull out of Iraq?
Hillary can't answer either of those questions so the MSM plays along as if Trump had anything to do with Iraq at all.
If you don't think it was a mistake why couldn't you persuade Obama not to pull out of Iraq?
Hillary can't answer either of those questions so the MSM plays along as if Trump had anything to do with Iraq at all.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 27, 2016 06:12 PM (rTMHK)
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47 But what did Trump say about the Doolittle raid? Was he for or against it?
Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at September 27, 2016 06:11 PM (8ZskC)
We still can't get an answer out of him about the Punic Wars.
Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at September 27, 2016 06:11 PM (8ZskC)
We still can't get an answer out of him about the Punic Wars.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 27, 2016 06:12 PM (9P3OG)
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I wonder if that's the part that Trump saw coming. As in, we should have done whatever necessary to keep weapons out of Saddam's hands and left the total transformation of Arab society to the next Crusaders.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at September 27, 2016 06:04 PM (oGNNA)
I will note.... IRANian IEDs were already killing our Men in Afghanistan.
IRAN was funding Terror.... IRAN was threatening us...
IRAN had a Nuke program, and chemical weapons.... a much larger program than Iraq.
yet he decided to invade.... Iraq...
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at September 27, 2016 06:04 PM (oGNNA)
I will note.... IRANian IEDs were already killing our Men in Afghanistan.
IRAN was funding Terror.... IRAN was threatening us...
IRAN had a Nuke program, and chemical weapons.... a much larger program than Iraq.
yet he decided to invade.... Iraq...
Posted by: Don Quixote at September 27, 2016 06:12 PM (qf6WZ)
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Another distraction for Hillary's voting for it.
She does this EVERY time.
She is guilty. She finds some ridiculous pos claim to attack him on.
Fight this crap. Send it right back to her. Are even the nevertrumpers that easily manipulated and brainwashed? yes?
Another distraction for Hillary's voting for it.
She does this EVERY time.
She is guilty. She finds some ridiculous pos claim to attack him on.
Fight this crap. Send it right back to her. Are even the nevertrumpers that easily manipulated and brainwashed? yes?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 27, 2016 06:12 PM (qCMvj)
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and there's this: politifact rates Clinton's claim about Trump's taxes "mostly false"
The key document relevant to Clinton's statement is a 1981 report by New Jersey gambling regulators analyzing Trump's finances as part of
his efforts to get a casino license for a proposed casino-hotel
complex. Page 33 reports on Trump's income and federal tax payments for
1975 through 1979.
The report says that Trump did, in fact, pay federal taxes for threeof those fiveyears, a fact omitted in the Washington Post headline and story. It does not include the actual returns.
The report says Trump paid no federal income tax in 1978 and 1979 because, according to the tax rules, he lost money.
http://tinyurl.com/j77agy7
The key document relevant to Clinton's statement is a 1981 report by New Jersey gambling regulators analyzing Trump's finances as part of
his efforts to get a casino license for a proposed casino-hotel
complex. Page 33 reports on Trump's income and federal tax payments for
1975 through 1979.
The report says that Trump did, in fact, pay federal taxes for threeof those fiveyears, a fact omitted in the Washington Post headline and story. It does not include the actual returns.
The report says Trump paid no federal income tax in 1978 and 1979 because, according to the tax rules, he lost money.
http://tinyurl.com/j77agy7
Posted by: mallfly version 1.00203c at September 27, 2016 06:12 PM (2JQBv)
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I would think he could have beat her like a rented red-headed step-mule. Don't understand what happened.
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Another moron made a comment I consider quite insightful: Hillary won the wrong debate. Anyone so dumb as to be undecided tuned in ONLY to see if he was a Nazi. Not only was he not, but anyone saying so is clearly nuts. Or as Scott Adams said, Trump won the election by losing the debate.
I would think he could have beat her like a rented red-headed step-mule. Don't understand what happened.
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Another moron made a comment I consider quite insightful: Hillary won the wrong debate. Anyone so dumb as to be undecided tuned in ONLY to see if he was a Nazi. Not only was he not, but anyone saying so is clearly nuts. Or as Scott Adams said, Trump won the election by losing the debate.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at September 27, 2016 06:12 PM (oGNNA)
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Apologies if this was covered earlier today, but, the Baltimore Gazette is reporting that Hillary had the debate questions 1 week before the debate. An NBC intern dressed up as a Fed Ex delivery person hand delivered a package to Hillary. If true, the the very first words out of Lester Holt's mouth last night were a bold faced lie and the debate was an utter and complete sham.
http://tinyurl.com/zkp39t3
http://tinyurl.com/zkp39t3
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at September 27, 2016 06:12 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 27, 2016 06:13 PM (qCMvj)
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What does Vagina Jesus' pet monkey lester holt say about it?
Posted by: Adobe Juan Kenobe at September 27, 2016 06:13 PM (CX88n)
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 27, 2016 06:13 PM (O2RFr)
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50 47 But what did Trump say about the Doolittle raid? Was he for or against it?
Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at September 27, 2016 06:11 PM (8ZskC)
We still can't get an answer out of him about the Punic Wars.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 27, 2016 06:12 PM (9P3OG)
Pun ic wars? Puns should be outlawed, they are the lowest from of humor!
Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at September 27, 2016 06:11 PM (8ZskC)
We still can't get an answer out of him about the Punic Wars.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 27, 2016 06:12 PM (9P3OG)
Pun ic wars? Puns should be outlawed, they are the lowest from of humor!
Posted by: Gary Johnson at September 27, 2016 06:13 PM (qf6WZ)
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Ginger or Mary Anne? When will Trump take a stand on this important issue, one way or the other?
Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at September 27, 2016 06:13 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Roy at September 27, 2016 06:13 PM (fWLrt)
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In retrospect I was ignorant of the long-term repercussions of the kind of war we were capable of fighting.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 27, 2016 06:09 PM (Zu3d9)
Maybe you were ignorant of how bad Bush was going to allow it to be fowled up.
The first stage was prosecuted well. Then the bureaucrats took over.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 27, 2016 06:09 PM (Zu3d9)
Maybe you were ignorant of how bad Bush was going to allow it to be fowled up.
The first stage was prosecuted well. Then the bureaucrats took over.
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket...forever censored at September 27, 2016 06:13 PM (NwIkk)
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CBD, also it looked like America was going to be all "United we Stand " as late as December 2002. It looked like we were going to have the national will to get 'er done. If we got Democrats I thought we would be getting Lieberman Democrats from then on.
@#$%
@#$%
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 27, 2016 06:13 PM (QxhSw)
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I would think he could have beat her like a rented red-headed step-mule. Don't understand what happened.
Posted by: kathysaysso at September 27, 2016 06:08 PM
I do. Trump made the mistake of making it persona and letting his ego get in the wayl. He had allot of opportunities to absolutely nail her to the wall. The cyber security question was a fckn 1" putt. Instead he spent his time talking about how many generals endorse him. WTF Don? He can fix this on the next debate by doing what you mention. His people better make sure that it's fixed.
Posted by: kathysaysso at September 27, 2016 06:08 PM
I do. Trump made the mistake of making it persona and letting his ego get in the wayl. He had allot of opportunities to absolutely nail her to the wall. The cyber security question was a fckn 1" putt. Instead he spent his time talking about how many generals endorse him. WTF Don? He can fix this on the next debate by doing what you mention. His people better make sure that it's fixed.
Posted by: Minnfidel at September 27, 2016 06:14 PM (rGKzf)
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Moderator grammar: Lester Holt, Lesser Holt, Lestest Holt.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 27, 2016 06:14 PM (Nwg0u)
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48 I would think he could have beat her like a rented red-headed step-mule. Don't understand what happened.
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He pulled his punches on purpose, on one hand raining fire on Hillary like that would have been orgasmic, on the other hand it increases the risks that he would get Lazioed.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 27, 2016 06:11 PM (5JBUT)
Interesting observation from Rush about Trump missing opportunities. Essentially that we're angry he whiffed because we all already know all this. Sure, maybe there are many dolts out there but most people know she's a fucking liar.
Then again, it would have been nice to put her away there and then. Still, 2 debates left. I can't see him and his handlers letting him make that mistake again.
We'll see.
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He pulled his punches on purpose, on one hand raining fire on Hillary like that would have been orgasmic, on the other hand it increases the risks that he would get Lazioed.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 27, 2016 06:11 PM (5JBUT)
Interesting observation from Rush about Trump missing opportunities. Essentially that we're angry he whiffed because we all already know all this. Sure, maybe there are many dolts out there but most people know she's a fucking liar.
Then again, it would have been nice to put her away there and then. Still, 2 debates left. I can't see him and his handlers letting him make that mistake again.
We'll see.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 27, 2016 06:14 PM (9P3OG)
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I think most folks look at this and wonder what sort of "proof" of their opinions private citizens should be expected to keep on hand, lest a guy who reads news on TV complain they didn't register their personal views with the proper authorities at the time.
Posted by: GalosGann at September 27, 2016 06:14 PM (md1b/)
68
46
At the time I remember the disquiet feeling I had about the concept of
invading Iraq, something I am sure most people felt. I wasn't as clever
as Vic to assume treason and evil on the part of the Democrats
(although I should have known), but instead it was just an uncomfortable
gut feeling.
Is this worth it? The money, the men's lives? Is it worth going to
war over? Should we do this? In the end I studied both sides and the
facts on the ground as well as history and decided, yes, it has to be
done. But it wasn't an easy decision.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:11 PM (39g3+)
I am a 'Nam Vet, I've been through it before.
At the time I remember the disquiet feeling I had about the concept of
invading Iraq, something I am sure most people felt. I wasn't as clever
as Vic to assume treason and evil on the part of the Democrats
(although I should have known), but instead it was just an uncomfortable
gut feeling.
Is this worth it? The money, the men's lives? Is it worth going to
war over? Should we do this? In the end I studied both sides and the
facts on the ground as well as history and decided, yes, it has to be
done. But it wasn't an easy decision.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:11 PM (39g3+)
I am a 'Nam Vet, I've been through it before.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 27, 2016 06:14 PM (mpXpK)
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The thing to remember is in 2003 Donald J. Trump was
a private citizen, just like the rest of us poor schnooks. He was privy
to the same info as the rest of us.
On the other hand, Hilary R. Clinton was a Senator and voted
positively and affirmatively for the Iraq War. And that was based on all
the info that the intelligence agencies had, flawed or not.
Q.E. fucking D.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 27, 2016 06:06 PM
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^^^This.^^^
Something that annoyed me last night: Trump addressed her as Secretary Clinton throughout the debate, but she called him Donald. Would not have killed her to say Mr. Trump. She's classless.
a private citizen, just like the rest of us poor schnooks. He was privy
to the same info as the rest of us.
On the other hand, Hilary R. Clinton was a Senator and voted
positively and affirmatively for the Iraq War. And that was based on all
the info that the intelligence agencies had, flawed or not.
Q.E. fucking D.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 27, 2016 06:06 PM
~~~~
^^^This.^^^
Something that annoyed me last night: Trump addressed her as Secretary Clinton throughout the debate, but she called him Donald. Would not have killed her to say Mr. Trump. She's classless.
Posted by: Deplorable IrishEi at September 27, 2016 06:15 PM (eM2Uz)
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47
But what did Trump say about the Doolittle raid? Was he for or against it?
Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable
Not to mention his support for the Masada debacle.
But what did Trump say about the Doolittle raid? Was he for or against it?
Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable
Not to mention his support for the Masada debacle.
Posted by: pep at September 27, 2016 06:15 PM (he3IA)
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Ginger or Mary Anne? When will Trump take a stand on this important issue, one way or the other?
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Donald would bang them both then send them a bill.
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Donald would bang them both then send them a bill.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 27, 2016 06:16 PM (Nwg0u)
72
I'm shocked that Lester Holt didn't bring up the time Trump wore a printed shirt with large-breasted space alien chicks on it.
Posted by: Roy at September 27, 2016 06:16 PM (fWLrt)
73
I was stupid enough to think you could create a democracy in Iraq. I was amazingly, laughably naive.
Unfortunately I wasn't the only one.
Unfortunately I wasn't the only one.
Posted by: Max Power at September 27, 2016 06:16 PM (q177U)
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I would think he could have beat her like a rented red-headed step-mule. Don't understand what happened.
Then he's the mean bully that beat on granny and is a mean mcMean old man who's mean and a bully. As fun as it is to see Hillary kicked in the teeth, Trump needed to come across as presidential, stable, and professional.
Then he's the mean bully that beat on granny and is a mean mcMean old man who's mean and a bully. As fun as it is to see Hillary kicked in the teeth, Trump needed to come across as presidential, stable, and professional.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:16 PM (39g3+)
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Is this worth it? The money, the men's lives? Is it worth going to war over? Should we do this?
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I said Yes to all that, too, and then died inside when I saw how Bush was conducting that war, and then that peace. We're even more beestung than before.
Is this worth it? The money, the men's lives? Is it worth going to war over? Should we do this?
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I said Yes to all that, too, and then died inside when I saw how Bush was conducting that war, and then that peace. We're even more beestung than before.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at September 27, 2016 06:17 PM (oGNNA)
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70
Not to mention his support for the Masada debacle.
Posted by: pep at September 27, 2016 06:15 PM (he3IA)
The Trojan Horse was not a condom for Katherine the Great.
I mean, really!
Not to mention his support for the Masada debacle.
Posted by: pep at September 27, 2016 06:15 PM (he3IA)
The Trojan Horse was not a condom for Katherine the Great.
I mean, really!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 27, 2016 06:17 PM (9P3OG)
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Baltimore Gazette
I read it was a fake website...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 27, 2016 06:13 PM (O2RFr)
Oh man I bit that one the other day.
Crow, even smothered with jalapenos and serranos, still tastes foul.
I read it was a fake website...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 27, 2016 06:13 PM (O2RFr)
Oh man I bit that one the other day.
Crow, even smothered with jalapenos and serranos, still tastes foul.
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket...forever censored at September 27, 2016 06:17 PM (NwIkk)
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Something that annoyed me last night: Trump addressed her as Secretary Clinton throughout the debate, but she called him Donald. Would not have killed her to say Mr. Trump. She's classless.
Posted by: Deplorable IrishEi at September 27, 2016 06:15 PM (eM2Uz)
That's a Barky thing. He has always addressed people by their first names, trying to act as if he was all personable and intimate with everyone. It was totally classless for him (and offensive to the office of the Presidency) but no one ever said much about it, even though it was totally weird, so the rest of his junta started doing the same thing.
Posted by: Deplorable IrishEi at September 27, 2016 06:15 PM (eM2Uz)
That's a Barky thing. He has always addressed people by their first names, trying to act as if he was all personable and intimate with everyone. It was totally classless for him (and offensive to the office of the Presidency) but no one ever said much about it, even though it was totally weird, so the rest of his junta started doing the same thing.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 27, 2016 06:17 PM (zc3Db)
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"Which was a big mistake. The Iraq War was necessary."
At the time I thought the government had to know of things not publicly known -- and that at least some in Congress were in the loop. (I'm looking at you Biden and Feinstein). Otherwise the invasion didn't make sense.
Rather than re-litigate the decision, I'd like to point out the arrant hypocrisy of Congresscritters like Biden and Hillary who later pretended that they'd been lied to. You couldn't find a bigger cheerleader for the invasion than Biden. Hillary obviously voted with an eye to a future Presidential run and didn't want to be criticized for being a Soft Woman. Obama gave a single anti-War speech that got buried until later resurrected.
At the time I thought the government had to know of things not publicly known -- and that at least some in Congress were in the loop. (I'm looking at you Biden and Feinstein). Otherwise the invasion didn't make sense.
Rather than re-litigate the decision, I'd like to point out the arrant hypocrisy of Congresscritters like Biden and Hillary who later pretended that they'd been lied to. You couldn't find a bigger cheerleader for the invasion than Biden. Hillary obviously voted with an eye to a future Presidential run and didn't want to be criticized for being a Soft Woman. Obama gave a single anti-War speech that got buried until later resurrected.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 06:18 PM (r1fLd)
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Something that annoyed me last night: Trump addressed her as Secretary Clinton throughout the debate, but she called him Donald. Would not have killed her to say Mr. Trump. She's classless
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If you were running as an anti-establishment outsider, you'd want to be called by a name people would call you at the local bar.
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If you were running as an anti-establishment outsider, you'd want to be called by a name people would call you at the local bar.
Posted by: Roy at September 27, 2016 06:18 PM (fWLrt)
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Another moron made a comment I consider quite
insightful: Hillary won the wrong debate. Anyone so dumb as to be
undecided tuned in ONLY to see if he was a Nazi. Not only was he not,
but anyone saying so is clearly nuts. Or as Scott Adams said, Trump won
the election by losing the debate.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo
IOW, rope-a-dope.
insightful: Hillary won the wrong debate. Anyone so dumb as to be
undecided tuned in ONLY to see if he was a Nazi. Not only was he not,
but anyone saying so is clearly nuts. Or as Scott Adams said, Trump won
the election by losing the debate.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo
IOW, rope-a-dope.
Posted by: pep at September 27, 2016 06:18 PM (he3IA)
82
Max Power, the Shiites were all for democracy in Iraq. But for Arabs democracy means "our bigger tribe can loot all your other tribes' shit".
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 27, 2016 06:18 PM (QxhSw)
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53 and there's this: politifact rates Clinton's claim about Trump's taxes "mostly false"
The key document relevant to Clinton's statement is a 1981 report by New Jersey gambling regulators analyzing Trump's finances as part of
his efforts to get a casino license for a proposed casino-hotel
complex. Page 33 reports on Trump's income and federal tax payments for
1975 through 1979.
The report says that Trump did, in fact, pay federal taxes for threeof those fiveyears, a fact omitted in the Washington Post headline and story. It does not include the actual returns.
The report says Trump paid no federal income tax in 1978 and 1979 because, according to the tax rules, he lost money.
http://tinyurl.com/j77agy7
Posted by: mallfly version 1.00203c at September 27, 2016 06:12 PM (2JQBv)
Something tells me that a lot of Trump's financials would look like Hollywood's. You play games with that stuff to keep your money and limit what you have to pay out. For instance, the original Star Wars still has not made a profit.
The key document relevant to Clinton's statement is a 1981 report by New Jersey gambling regulators analyzing Trump's finances as part of
his efforts to get a casino license for a proposed casino-hotel
complex. Page 33 reports on Trump's income and federal tax payments for
1975 through 1979.
The report says that Trump did, in fact, pay federal taxes for threeof those fiveyears, a fact omitted in the Washington Post headline and story. It does not include the actual returns.
The report says Trump paid no federal income tax in 1978 and 1979 because, according to the tax rules, he lost money.
http://tinyurl.com/j77agy7
Posted by: mallfly version 1.00203c at September 27, 2016 06:12 PM (2JQBv)
Something tells me that a lot of Trump's financials would look like Hollywood's. You play games with that stuff to keep your money and limit what you have to pay out. For instance, the original Star Wars still has not made a profit.
Posted by: buzzion at September 27, 2016 06:18 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 27, 2016 06:19 PM (9P3OG)
85
When are they going to stop having leftists moderators with bogus fact checks?
Posted by: Skip at September 27, 2016 06:19 PM (JfUI4)
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73 I was stupid enough to think you could create a democracy in Iraq. I was amazingly, laughably naive.
Unfortunately I wasn't the only one.
Posted by: Max Power at September 27, 2016 06:16 PM (q177U)
It was lost the day we did not force on them an American style Bill of Rights, INCLUDING Freedom of Religion...
Its not Democracy that made us great.... its our view of Natural Rights and the Freedoms that gives us.
We should not be pushing Democracy.... we should be pushing Natural Rights...
Unfortunately I wasn't the only one.
Posted by: Max Power at September 27, 2016 06:16 PM (q177U)
It was lost the day we did not force on them an American style Bill of Rights, INCLUDING Freedom of Religion...
Its not Democracy that made us great.... its our view of Natural Rights and the Freedoms that gives us.
We should not be pushing Democracy.... we should be pushing Natural Rights...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 27, 2016 06:19 PM (qf6WZ)
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But what did Trump say about the Doolittle raid? Was he for or against it?
I think talking to the animals would be awesome! And they'd vote Trump! I love animals!
I think talking to the animals would be awesome! And they'd vote Trump! I love animals!
Posted by: D to the J to the T at September 27, 2016 06:20 PM (uyrlv)
88
Stop fat checking me!
Posted by: Trigglypuff at September 27, 2016 06:20 PM (IqV8l)
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At the time I thought the government had to know of things not publicly known -- and that at least some in Congress were in the loop. (I'm looking at you Biden and Feinstein). Otherwise the invasion didn't make sense.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 06:18 PM (r1fLd)
All you had to know was that saddam intentionally dumped tens of millions of barrels of oil into the gulf and lit just about every single oil well in Kuwait on fire, all while he was being allowed to retreat in the most embarrassing military loss in recorded history. That was enough information to understand that saddam could not be left in control of one of the most strategically sensitive areas of the world.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 06:18 PM (r1fLd)
All you had to know was that saddam intentionally dumped tens of millions of barrels of oil into the gulf and lit just about every single oil well in Kuwait on fire, all while he was being allowed to retreat in the most embarrassing military loss in recorded history. That was enough information to understand that saddam could not be left in control of one of the most strategically sensitive areas of the world.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 27, 2016 06:20 PM (zc3Db)
90
Well, the next debate with Anderson Cooper and some other CNN reporter (?) as the moderators ought to be a doozy.
Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at September 27, 2016 06:20 PM (9iR5/)
91
Will the robotic calls for "rebuilding the military" ever be squared with the conclusions that having the Dems no more than one cycle away from power and that anything beyond punitive stand-off raids are inherently unworkable?
We need only a portion of our current weakened defense posture for defense.
If people *really* believe in the two propositions, then why do they want a "rebuilt" military which, according tothem, has no real and worthwhile and feasible application under current circumstances?
And speaking of the Matrix, about 95% of the discussions of Iraq take place entirely within the Matrix of an NPR listener, and that includes here.
Will the robotic calls for "rebuilding the military" ever be squared with the conclusions that having the Dems no more than one cycle away from power and that anything beyond punitive stand-off raids are inherently unworkable?
We need only a portion of our current weakened defense posture for defense.
If people *really* believe in the two propositions, then why do they want a "rebuilt" military which, according tothem, has no real and worthwhile and feasible application under current circumstances?
And speaking of the Matrix, about 95% of the discussions of Iraq take place entirely within the Matrix of an NPR listener, and that includes here.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2016 06:20 PM (QDnY+)
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Trump: Hillary you ignorant slut... You voted to go to war ? You were in the Senate and not me you dumbass bitch !!!!!! according to the Constitution the "SENATE" VOTES TO DECLARE WAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 27, 2016 06:21 PM (NuElX)
93
Well, it does sound rather unbelievable that an intern would dread up as a Fed Express worker to give her the questions. I wouldn't be surprised if she got the questions in advance, but they don;'t need to play "Let's play dress up" to do it.
I think if Hillary keeps calling him Donald, he ought to address her as Hillary.
I think if Hillary keeps calling him Donald, he ought to address her as Hillary.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 27, 2016 06:21 PM (EnGQE)
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A big nothingburger. Trump was a private citizen, with only the MSM to guide him (i.e., totally uninformed, if not misinformed).
Her Thighness was a senior member of the Administration, and presumably privy to a lot more intel than any private citizen, and consequently much more accountable for her actions.
Her Thighness was a senior member of the Administration, and presumably privy to a lot more intel than any private citizen, and consequently much more accountable for her actions.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 27, 2016 06:21 PM (SRKgf)
95
I do not understand how this is even an issue against Trump. More importantly, how does it help Hillary who actually voted to send our soldiers to war and played a direct hand?
Posted by: Guido911 at September 27, 2016 06:21 PM (Q0d1T)
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Just got to the thread and didn't read the comments yet, but (and I could be wrong) didn't the Hillster vote for war in Iraq *twice*? I seem to remember a do-over vote because those who voted 'No' the first time wanted another chance to prove they were against terrorism.
Posted by: Stu Podaso at September 27, 2016 06:22 PM (AfbS9)
97
Hey man... Hill Baby you want another Doobie ????
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 27, 2016 06:22 PM (NuElX)
98
Look, all I know is that this former favorite guest of Oprah, this in-demand Hollywood star, this African-American hiring businessman, is actually a raving, racist, sexist, warmongering dirt bag, "orange Muppet Hitler." I just don't understand why all of his formerly laudatory associates in TV and politics didn't notice it before he ran against Hillary.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at September 27, 2016 06:22 PM (sqpGi)
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I think if Hillary keeps calling him Donald, he ought to address her as Hillary.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 27, 2016 06:21 PM (EnGQE)
Disagree. First, he's being gentlemanly. Second, he's emphasizing her role in the train wreck that is the Obongo Administration. Third, calling her by her first name humanizes her.
So, Donald, by all means continue calling her "Secretary."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 27, 2016 06:21 PM (EnGQE)
Disagree. First, he's being gentlemanly. Second, he's emphasizing her role in the train wreck that is the Obongo Administration. Third, calling her by her first name humanizes her.
So, Donald, by all means continue calling her "Secretary."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 27, 2016 06:23 PM (SRKgf)
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I was stupid enough to think you could create a democracy in Iraq.
We did, until it was all abandoned by the treasonous jackwagon in office.
We did, until it was all abandoned by the treasonous jackwagon in office.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:23 PM (39g3+)
101
How about we call her Sexatary in honor of BJ Bill !!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 27, 2016 06:23 PM (NuElX)
102
It was lost the day we did not force on them an American style Bill of Rights, INCLUDING Freedom of Religion...
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Yup. A constitution based on the Koran is like a constitution based on Mein Kampf. I doubt the Marshall plan would have worked if our goal was to make Germany a little less Nazi.
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Yup. A constitution based on the Koran is like a constitution based on Mein Kampf. I doubt the Marshall plan would have worked if our goal was to make Germany a little less Nazi.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 27, 2016 06:23 PM (Nwg0u)
103
Baltimore Gazette
I read it was a fake website...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 27, 2016 06:13 PM (O2RFr)
Sorrt, got it off both Facebook and GAB. Mea culpa.
I read it was a fake website...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 27, 2016 06:13 PM (O2RFr)
Sorrt, got it off both Facebook and GAB. Mea culpa.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at September 27, 2016 06:23 PM (kXoT0)
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All you had to know was that saddam intentionally dumped tens of millions of barrels of oil into the gulf and lit just about every single oil well in Kuwait on fire, all while he was being allowed to retreat in the most embarrassing military loss in recorded history. That was enough information to understand that saddam could not be left in control of one of the most strategically sensitive areas of the world.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 27, 2016 06:20 PM (zc3Db)
And I would add, that was all perfectly clear in 1991. But after 9/11, when we reassessed the threats in view of what the APM world was really willing to do, that threat from saddam clearly stood well above our threshold. He had to go.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 27, 2016 06:20 PM (zc3Db)
And I would add, that was all perfectly clear in 1991. But after 9/11, when we reassessed the threats in view of what the APM world was really willing to do, that threat from saddam clearly stood well above our threshold. He had to go.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 27, 2016 06:24 PM (zc3Db)
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71 Ginger or Mary Anne? When will Trump take a stand on this important issue, one way or the other?
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Donald would bang them both then send them a bill.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 27, 2016 06:16 PM (Nwg0u)
Nah.... Donald would pull up in a Trump Yacht.... see them on the Island.... rescue them and fly them back to civilization on the Trump Copter...
To a Trump Hotel.... where he and Thurston would play golf, while Ginger and Mary Anne tried out for the Miss Universe Contest...
The Skipper and Gilligan??? fired.... for bad seamanship.....
And the Professor would be offered a position at Trump University...
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Donald would bang them both then send them a bill.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 27, 2016 06:16 PM (Nwg0u)
Nah.... Donald would pull up in a Trump Yacht.... see them on the Island.... rescue them and fly them back to civilization on the Trump Copter...
To a Trump Hotel.... where he and Thurston would play golf, while Ginger and Mary Anne tried out for the Miss Universe Contest...
The Skipper and Gilligan??? fired.... for bad seamanship.....
And the Professor would be offered a position at Trump University...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 27, 2016 06:24 PM (qf6WZ)
106
Anderson will get into some gay question but has to be better than Lestor who aided Hillary every chance.
Posted by: Skip at September 27, 2016 06:25 PM (JfUI4)
107
We should not be pushing Democracy.... we should be pushing Natural Rights...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 27, 2016 06:19 PM (qf6WZ)
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Meh, in that part of the world, we shouldn't be pushing any of our ideals. Just install an authoritarian who likes us and keep it going until the next eruption.
We should not be pushing Democracy.... we should be pushing Natural Rights...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 27, 2016 06:19 PM (qf6WZ)
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Meh, in that part of the world, we shouldn't be pushing any of our ideals. Just install an authoritarian who likes us and keep it going until the next eruption.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at September 27, 2016 06:25 PM (oGNNA)
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Question for the Horde (or anyone really):
Why were there no Opening Statements or Closing Statements last night? They've been a part of every debate I've ever watched. Or so I thought.
Why were there no Opening Statements or Closing Statements last night? They've been a part of every debate I've ever watched. Or so I thought.
Posted by: Mega at September 27, 2016 06:25 PM (EdXI9)
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And I would add, that was all perfectly clear in 1991. But after 9/11, when we reassessed the threats in view of what the APM world was really willing to do, that threat from saddam clearly stood well above our threshold. He had to go.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 27, 2016 06:24 PM (
I agree and the surge worked.. trouble is we were never gonna be able to leave...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 27, 2016 06:24 PM (
I agree and the surge worked.. trouble is we were never gonna be able to leave...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 27, 2016 06:25 PM (O2RFr)
110
Mutant Hunt 1987 on Comet Tv
Posted by: Skip at September 27, 2016 06:25 PM (JfUI4)
111
I will not be voting for Trump because of his negative stance against gay hamsters. Thank You !!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 27, 2016 06:26 PM (NuElX)
112
As a Senator, is training required in the treatment of classified information?
She might have been able to hide from State Department training requirements, but I bet she overlooked the required congressional training, and their records.
She might have been able to hide from State Department training requirements, but I bet she overlooked the required congressional training, and their records.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 27, 2016 06:26 PM (J+eG2)
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But what did Trump say about the Doolittle raid? Was he for or against it?
I think talking to the animals would be awesome! And they'd vote Trump! I love animals!
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Except for the leeches. They're all Hillary all the time.
I think talking to the animals would be awesome! And they'd vote Trump! I love animals!
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Except for the leeches. They're all Hillary all the time.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 27, 2016 06:26 PM (Nwg0u)
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104 All you had to know was that saddam intentionally dumped tens of millions of barrels of oil into the gulf and lit just about every single oil well in Kuwait on fire, all while he was being allowed to retreat in the most embarrassing military loss in recorded history. That was enough information to understand that saddam could not be left in control of one of the most strategically sensitive areas of the world.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 27, 2016 06:20 PM (zc3Db)
And I would add, that was all perfectly clear in 1991. But after 9/11, when we reassessed the threats in view of what the APM world was really willing to do, that threat from saddam clearly stood well above our threshold. He had to go.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 27, 2016 06:24 PM (zc3Db)
The Colin Powell and the Elder Bush should not have stopped us during Storm....
Believe me... when we were told to stop it was a TOTAL surprise to us...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 27, 2016 06:20 PM (zc3Db)
And I would add, that was all perfectly clear in 1991. But after 9/11, when we reassessed the threats in view of what the APM world was really willing to do, that threat from saddam clearly stood well above our threshold. He had to go.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 27, 2016 06:24 PM (zc3Db)
The Colin Powell and the Elder Bush should not have stopped us during Storm....
Believe me... when we were told to stop it was a TOTAL surprise to us...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 27, 2016 06:26 PM (qf6WZ)
115
I thought the strategy was to surround the enemy
I ran?
I ran?
Posted by: Billy at September 27, 2016 06:26 PM (aO+7k)
116
Actually TPOP, sabotage of Kuwaiti oil fields was just one of three bright red lines Saddam crossed in '91 - after having received the most explicit nuclear threat ever leveled by one state to another since the Trinity shot started it all. The other two: involvement in terrorism attempts against Coalition members, and use of unconventional weapons (chem).
This was in the famous letter famously "refused" - after reading - by Tariq Aziz at the meeting with Baker in Geneva.
There hasn't been as reckless and aggressive a regime of any global consequence as Saddam's since you-know-who. Class of its own.
Iran is a major enemy, and the policy there the last 8 years has been the biggest unforced catastrophic error in post-WWII history, but Iraq under Saddam was far more reckless and needed a different approach.
In effect Saddam's regime attempted suicide three times (1980, 1990, and 2003) - and got it right the third time.
Actually TPOP, sabotage of Kuwaiti oil fields was just one of three bright red lines Saddam crossed in '91 - after having received the most explicit nuclear threat ever leveled by one state to another since the Trinity shot started it all. The other two: involvement in terrorism attempts against Coalition members, and use of unconventional weapons (chem).
This was in the famous letter famously "refused" - after reading - by Tariq Aziz at the meeting with Baker in Geneva.
There hasn't been as reckless and aggressive a regime of any global consequence as Saddam's since you-know-who. Class of its own.
Iran is a major enemy, and the policy there the last 8 years has been the biggest unforced catastrophic error in post-WWII history, but Iraq under Saddam was far more reckless and needed a different approach.
In effect Saddam's regime attempted suicide three times (1980, 1990, and 2003) - and got it right the third time.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2016 06:27 PM (QDnY+)
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Also where is the media fact check that Hillary spending plan will not increase the deficit? She actually said that in the debate.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 27, 2016 06:27 PM (rTMHK)
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this is good evidence for Trump, that Holt's absolute "Fact" was wrong, and meant to help Hillary's war platform. With Trump around 90% of Repub's now, he can work on pilfering some of the Bernie voters that see Hillary as too ready for war ... maybe.
Hillary also claimed Trump wanted to go into Libya and his position was the same as hers there. He wanted to go in for humanitarian reasons, once Qaddafi was mowing down civilians in the streets (paraphrased) "we have to".
We kept claiming "no boots on the ground" in Libya, but imo Qaddafi was maybe reacting to the covert war mongering by team Hillary. Blumenthal had something going on there. I still haven't figured out the timing, but I think Hillary instigated rather than take an option that Qaddafi would have accepted. It's all probably in some of those 33,000 emails ... or on those hammered blackberries.
Hillary also claimed Trump wanted to go into Libya and his position was the same as hers there. He wanted to go in for humanitarian reasons, once Qaddafi was mowing down civilians in the streets (paraphrased) "we have to".
We kept claiming "no boots on the ground" in Libya, but imo Qaddafi was maybe reacting to the covert war mongering by team Hillary. Blumenthal had something going on there. I still haven't figured out the timing, but I think Hillary instigated rather than take an option that Qaddafi would have accepted. It's all probably in some of those 33,000 emails ... or on those hammered blackberries.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 27, 2016 06:27 PM (n6rAX)
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I think a military dictatorship is the only viable choice for stability there.
Posted by: Max Power at September 27, 2016 06:27 PM (q177U)
120
VIA, anyone applying for and receiving any type of clearance is required to take training in the handling of classified materials. In fact, I had to undergo that training on a yearly basis.
Posted by: Deplorable Old Blue at September 27, 2016 06:28 PM (9iR5/)
121
Disagree. First, he's being gentlemanly. Second, he's emphasizing her role in the train wreck that is the Obongo Administration. Third, calling her by her first name humanizes her.
So, Donald, by all means continue calling her "Secretary."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 27, 2016 06:23 PM (SRKgf)
He was even polite enough to ask in the debate if she was comfortable being addressed as that...
A courtesy she did not return with him...
So, Donald, by all means continue calling her "Secretary."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 27, 2016 06:23 PM (SRKgf)
He was even polite enough to ask in the debate if she was comfortable being addressed as that...
A courtesy she did not return with him...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 27, 2016 06:28 PM (qf6WZ)
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it would be a great story, but Snopes says the "Baltimore Gazette" is a fake news site.
Posted by: mallfly version 1.00203c at September 27, 2016 06:29 PM (2JQBv)
123
He was even polite enough to ask in the debate if she was comfortable being addressed as that...
I guess Bitch wouldn't have gone over too well with her...
He was even polite enough to ask in the debate if she was comfortable being addressed as that...
I guess Bitch wouldn't have gone over too well with her...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 27, 2016 06:29 PM (O2RFr)
124
Has there ever been a more notoriously incompetent triumvirate of foreign policy clowns than Obama-Clinton-Kerry?
Let's try to keep things in perspective, shall we?
Let's try to keep things in perspective, shall we?
Posted by: Fritz at September 27, 2016 06:30 PM (tf2lh)
125
It was disgusting for Lester Holt the way he just kept so assuredly saying "Yes you did!!!" support it.
Whatever side you to fall on, it was clearly a gray are for what his thoughts were, so for a moderator to interject himself like that was crossing the line in a big way.
Whatever side you to fall on, it was clearly a gray are for what his thoughts were, so for a moderator to interject himself like that was crossing the line in a big way.
Posted by: Maritime at September 27, 2016 06:30 PM (2JFSt)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 27, 2016 06:30 PM (zc3Db)
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108 Question for the Horde (or anyone really):
Why were there no Opening Statements or Closing Statements last night? They've been a part of every debate I've ever watched. Or so I thought.
Posted by: Mega at September 27, 2016 06:25 PM (EdXI9)
That's stuff that's usually hashed out by the networks and the participants. I imagine Trump wanted them though which is why he used his last answer to that stupid "Will you accept the result of the election" question as a bit of a closing statement.
Why were there no Opening Statements or Closing Statements last night? They've been a part of every debate I've ever watched. Or so I thought.
Posted by: Mega at September 27, 2016 06:25 PM (EdXI9)
That's stuff that's usually hashed out by the networks and the participants. I imagine Trump wanted them though which is why he used his last answer to that stupid "Will you accept the result of the election" question as a bit of a closing statement.
Posted by: buzzion at September 27, 2016 06:31 PM (z/Ubi)
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The Colin Powell and the Elder Bush should not have stopped us during Storm....
Believe me... when we were told to stop it was a TOTAL surprise to us...
Yeah, that was the wrong call, totally the wrong call. But they were afraid we'd look like aggressors and invaders and the bad guys. The optics of that "road of death" really scared the president's team.
Believe me... when we were told to stop it was a TOTAL surprise to us...
Yeah, that was the wrong call, totally the wrong call. But they were afraid we'd look like aggressors and invaders and the bad guys. The optics of that "road of death" really scared the president's team.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:31 PM (39g3+)
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Snopes says the "Baltimore Gazette" is a fake news site.
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Fake prosecutor, fake mayor, now fake news. What's next?
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Fake prosecutor, fake mayor, now fake news. What's next?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 27, 2016 06:31 PM (Nwg0u)
130
ABC, CBS and NBC lead off with the same story on the nightly news:
"Trump is doubling down" about the fat ex-beauty queen. Seriously that is their lead story with the same language,
F*U media, the government takes 1/3 of my income, to pay for the healthcare of the fat beauty queen among others.
"Trump is doubling down" about the fat ex-beauty queen. Seriously that is their lead story with the same language,
F*U media, the government takes 1/3 of my income, to pay for the healthcare of the fat beauty queen among others.
Posted by: batterup at September 27, 2016 06:31 PM (mtGE/)
Posted by: Happy Face Gestapo at September 27, 2016 06:31 PM (iWW0H)
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Nothing Clinton does is ever a scandal.
Everything anyone else does is.
Those are the rules in a nutshell.
Everything anyone else does is.
Those are the rules in a nutshell.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 27, 2016 06:32 PM (uyrlv)
133
"Trump is doubling down" about the fat ex-beauty queen. Seriously that is their lead story with the same language,
It's the best they can come up with...
It's the best they can come up with...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 27, 2016 06:32 PM (O2RFr)
134
Has there ever been a more notoriously incompetent triumvirate of foreign policy clowns than Obama-Clinton-Kerry?
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Larry, Moe, and Curley?
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Larry, Moe, and Curley?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 27, 2016 06:32 PM (Nwg0u)
135
I guess Bitch wouldn't have gone over too well with her...
Rush called her a witch with a capital B today.
Rush called her a witch with a capital B today.
Posted by: dartist at September 27, 2016 06:32 PM (3zi7q)
136
"VIA, anyone applying for and receiving any type of clearance is required to take training in the handling of classified materials. In fact, I had to undergo that training on a yearly basis."
Yes, I am familiar with how it all works.
I even got the letter saying "Sorry, all your information, and your families information got swiped" letter from that crowd.
What I am driving at is her position, and the training records seem to back her up that while SoS, she was never fully trained, and therefore not accountable for security protocol failures on her watch.
I was wondering if there were a paperwork train from her Senatorial term which could prove "No Bitch, right here we trained you. "
Yes, I am familiar with how it all works.
I even got the letter saying "Sorry, all your information, and your families information got swiped" letter from that crowd.
What I am driving at is her position, and the training records seem to back her up that while SoS, she was never fully trained, and therefore not accountable for security protocol failures on her watch.
I was wondering if there were a paperwork train from her Senatorial term which could prove "No Bitch, right here we trained you. "
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 27, 2016 06:33 PM (J+eG2)
137
I agree and the surge worked.. trouble is we were never gonna be able to leave...
Sure, but I mean we're still in Germany and Japan.
Sure, but I mean we're still in Germany and Japan.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:33 PM (39g3+)
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Installing a General MacArthur and keep the politicians out is all that was necessary.
Middling approaches get middling results.
Middling approaches get middling results.
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket...forever censored at September 27, 2016 06:33 PM (NwIkk)
139
"I do. Trump made the mistake of making it persona and letting his ego get in the way."
Just the opposite. Trump's most important goal here was to look Presidential and non-threatening for all the non-political viewers who were literally seeing him speak unedited for the very first time. Using this time to attack Hillary runs counter to that goal and squanders this opportunity. He pointedly demonstrated restraint, and when you've been painted as a loose-cannon lunatic that's a pretty powerful rebuttal all by itself.
There are many other, more effective opportunities to hit back at Hillary.
Just the opposite. Trump's most important goal here was to look Presidential and non-threatening for all the non-political viewers who were literally seeing him speak unedited for the very first time. Using this time to attack Hillary runs counter to that goal and squanders this opportunity. He pointedly demonstrated restraint, and when you've been painted as a loose-cannon lunatic that's a pretty powerful rebuttal all by itself.
There are many other, more effective opportunities to hit back at Hillary.
Posted by: GalosGann at September 27, 2016 06:33 PM (md1b/)
140
It sort of makes sense that the same people who value the scientific opinion of folks like high school dropout Leonardo dicaprio are concerned about citizen Trump's tiebreaker vote on the war.
Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at September 27, 2016 06:33 PM (x4zgf)
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The optics of that "road of death" really scared the president's team.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:31 PM (39g3+)
It also scared the shit out of the Iraqis.....
We should have done the same in the second war....it would have saved many lives.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:31 PM (39g3+)
It also scared the shit out of the Iraqis.....
We should have done the same in the second war....it would have saved many lives.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 27, 2016 06:34 PM (Zu3d9)
142
Donna, we were down to a very manageable force and zero casualties for quite a time before we abandoned Iraq. And FFS, folks, the advantages of being there and deeply into the shorts of the Iraqi govt. (and its intel services) are huge. All of it just thrown away.
And Don, there was no expectation, plan, or desire by anyone to "finish" things in 1991. People blithely throw this out there, and in the same breath pooh-pooh regime change in 2003. ?????
Nobody believed the regime would survive much past the Safwan cease-fire (incl. many in the regime and most non-Sunnis outside B'dad). Even the partial regime collapse (Kurdistan) as you recall brought its own share of hassles WRT humanitarian aid.
As TPOP pointed out, prior to 9/11, Iraq was a festering problem, an incredible annoyance, with real costs and dangers. After 9/11, the Venn diagram circles of global terrorists and rogue regimes with unlimited resources and a history of insane recklessness could not be allowed to intersect.
Removing the Iraqi regime eliminated by far the most likely candidate regime for that problem (the other two parts of the Axis of Evil - remember that mocked but absolutely appropriate and relevant phrase? - Iran and N. Korea, represented different sorts of problems in this respect ..... and both were made the target of mostly successful pressure and action in Bush years .... another completely ignored and forgotten reality).
Donna, we were down to a very manageable force and zero casualties for quite a time before we abandoned Iraq. And FFS, folks, the advantages of being there and deeply into the shorts of the Iraqi govt. (and its intel services) are huge. All of it just thrown away.
And Don, there was no expectation, plan, or desire by anyone to "finish" things in 1991. People blithely throw this out there, and in the same breath pooh-pooh regime change in 2003. ?????
Nobody believed the regime would survive much past the Safwan cease-fire (incl. many in the regime and most non-Sunnis outside B'dad). Even the partial regime collapse (Kurdistan) as you recall brought its own share of hassles WRT humanitarian aid.
As TPOP pointed out, prior to 9/11, Iraq was a festering problem, an incredible annoyance, with real costs and dangers. After 9/11, the Venn diagram circles of global terrorists and rogue regimes with unlimited resources and a history of insane recklessness could not be allowed to intersect.
Removing the Iraqi regime eliminated by far the most likely candidate regime for that problem (the other two parts of the Axis of Evil - remember that mocked but absolutely appropriate and relevant phrase? - Iran and N. Korea, represented different sorts of problems in this respect ..... and both were made the target of mostly successful pressure and action in Bush years .... another completely ignored and forgotten reality).
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2016 06:34 PM (QDnY+)
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137 I agree and the surge worked.. trouble is we were never gonna be able to leave...
Sure, but I mean we're still in Germany and Japan
Right... but obama had other plans for Iraq...
Sure, but I mean we're still in Germany and Japan
Right... but obama had other plans for Iraq...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 27, 2016 06:34 PM (O2RFr)
144
I think we need to fact check to see if Trump was really born in the USA ---- Barry Obama
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 27, 2016 06:34 PM (NuElX)
145
Why were there no Opening Statements or Closing
Statements last night? They've been a part of every debate I've ever
watched. Or so I thought.
Posted by: Mega at September 27, 2016 06:25 PM (EdXI9)
Trump and Clinton people agreed to the format.
Statements last night? They've been a part of every debate I've ever
watched. Or so I thought.
Posted by: Mega at September 27, 2016 06:25 PM (EdXI9)
Trump and Clinton people agreed to the format.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 27, 2016 06:34 PM (NbJXF)
146
"That was enough information to understand that saddam could not be left in control of one of the most strategically sensitive areas of the world."
By that same logic we should have invaded Iran already.
It's also now public knowledge that elements high up the Saudi food chain helped facilitate 9/11.
We invaded the wrong nation brilliantly, then botched the occupation, etc. etc. And then failed to maintain a residual force. Brilliant minds like Bill Kristol's were behind. What were we calling them the other day, YIYs ?
By that same logic we should have invaded Iran already.
It's also now public knowledge that elements high up the Saudi food chain helped facilitate 9/11.
We invaded the wrong nation brilliantly, then botched the occupation, etc. etc. And then failed to maintain a residual force. Brilliant minds like Bill Kristol's were behind. What were we calling them the other day, YIYs ?
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 06:34 PM (r1fLd)
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I was wondering if there were a paperwork train from her Senatorial term which could prove "No Bitch, right here we trained you. "
Yes, there is. But good luck getting it.
Yes, there is. But good luck getting it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:34 PM (39g3+)
148
Remember... any times Muslims attacked us pre-Obama, they were "mad about our policies". Now they are "mentally ill". It's really quite special living in nineteen eighty fucking four.
Posted by: Mega at September 27, 2016 06:34 PM (EdXI9)
149
Sure, but I mean we're still in Germany and Japan.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
The cold war was the excuse originally to stay in Germany and Japan. I guess the war on terror is the excuse now.
Sure, but I mean we're still in Germany and Japan.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
The cold war was the excuse originally to stay in Germany and Japan. I guess the war on terror is the excuse now.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 27, 2016 06:35 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at September 27, 2016 06:35 PM (x4zgf)
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No, Chris Taylor, the democracy installed in Iraq was subverted by Maliki, who weaseled his way in and then conducted purges like an incompetent Stalin wannabe.
If Iraqis (or Russians) can't do democracy, that's on them.
If Iraqis (or Russians) can't do democracy, that's on them.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 27, 2016 06:35 PM (QxhSw)
152
Is anybody going back in time abs dredging up old Hillary quotes on the media?
Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 27, 2016 06:36 PM (3sJ/S)
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Disagree. First, he's being gentlemanly. Second, he's emphasizing her
role in the train wreck that is the Obongo Administration. Third,
calling her by her first name humanizes her.
So, Donald, by all means continue calling her "Secretary."
I agree. When she is so obviously condescending and rude, it just reinforces the existing perception that she is an entitled bitch, who will step on the little people at every opportunity because she can.
role in the train wreck that is the Obongo Administration. Third,
calling her by her first name humanizes her.
So, Donald, by all means continue calling her "Secretary."
I agree. When she is so obviously condescending and rude, it just reinforces the existing perception that she is an entitled bitch, who will step on the little people at every opportunity because she can.
Posted by: pep at September 27, 2016 06:36 PM (he3IA)
154
Those people at Redditch and 4Chan hate the Clintons. I mean they loathe them.
If Trump wins it will be those people doing most of the leg work exposing The Clintons and DNC.
The reddit folks have a thread with high res multiple shots of Hillary with typed out notes for the debate last night.
Got to give credit where credit is do, those people want to destoy The Clintons. LOL.
If Trump wins it will be those people doing most of the leg work exposing The Clintons and DNC.
The reddit folks have a thread with high res multiple shots of Hillary with typed out notes for the debate last night.
Got to give credit where credit is do, those people want to destoy The Clintons. LOL.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 27, 2016 06:37 PM (vRd8t)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 27, 2016 06:37 PM (oVJmc)
156
I'm certain I'm not the first to point it out, but Trump let Hillary humanize him. I doubt that was his goal, but she accomplished it nonetheless, and he couldn't have done it without her.
Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at September 27, 2016 06:38 PM (x4zgf)
157
one thing I hope Trump will bring up is that the Dems kept saying that Bush got us into Iraq without an exit plan. And what was Obama and Hill's exit plan for Libya? "We won! Goodbye!!"
Posted by: mallfly version 1.00203c at September 27, 2016 06:38 PM (2JQBv)
158
Well, it does sound rather unbelievable that an intern would dread up as
a Fed Express worker to give her the questions. I wouldn't be surprised
if she got the questions in advance, but they don;'t need to play
"Let's play dress up" to do it.
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She wasn't given the questions. She WROTE the questions.
a Fed Express worker to give her the questions. I wouldn't be surprised
if she got the questions in advance, but they don;'t need to play
"Let's play dress up" to do it.
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She wasn't given the questions. She WROTE the questions.
Posted by: Mega at September 27, 2016 06:38 PM (EdXI9)
159
Prager said Trump came off as Human, Hillary came off as not.
Posted by: Skip at September 27, 2016 06:39 PM (JfUI4)
160
Focusing on a mean thing Trump didn't say about someone 20 years ago is not a winning tactic, is it? I mean I thought the "binders full of women" tack was retarded but apparently it worked so maybe I'm just clueless about my fellow Americans.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:39 PM (39g3+)
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"Baltimore Gazette
I read it was a fake website...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 27, 2016 06:13 PM"
Seems likely. It's definitely not an actual paper. There are some local web-only news sites and blogs but the "Baltimore Gazette" is not one I've heard of before.
I read it was a fake website...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 27, 2016 06:13 PM"
Seems likely. It's definitely not an actual paper. There are some local web-only news sites and blogs but the "Baltimore Gazette" is not one I've heard of before.
Posted by: GalosGann at September 27, 2016 06:39 PM (md1b/)
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No, Ignoramus, by the same logic Iran presents a different variation on the problem - and represents a very different challenge in terms of an actual invasion and occupation.
And what the F is the "public information" about Saudis officials "facilitating" 9/11?
Are you familiar with 9/11? What happened? The prep and financing and planning?
No Saudi offical help was required for any of it. Obviously. WTF are you talking about?
No, Ignoramus, by the same logic Iran presents a different variation on the problem - and represents a very different challenge in terms of an actual invasion and occupation.
And what the F is the "public information" about Saudis officials "facilitating" 9/11?
Are you familiar with 9/11? What happened? The prep and financing and planning?
No Saudi offical help was required for any of it. Obviously. WTF are you talking about?
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2016 06:39 PM (QDnY+)
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124 Has there ever been a more notoriously incompetent triumvirate of foreign policy clowns than Obama-Clinton-Kerry?
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Moe, Larry and Curly
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Moe, Larry and Curly
Posted by: Roy at September 27, 2016 06:39 PM (fWLrt)
164
35 I blame Bush for leaving the heavy lifting of defending the war to his supporters, while he himself decided to be "above the fray."
That stupid fucking attitude is what gave us Obama and why Iraq is a shitshow now.
Posted by: #NeverHillary
No, what gave you Obama was the Republicans having the Presidency, and both Congressional majorities and being greedy, sneaky, gutless, a$$holes who could have done something useful with it but didn't.
Give the Dems credit, when they have control they aren't shy about fkking up the country the way they want to.
That's why Trump, and none of the other 16, is a possible solution.
That stupid fucking attitude is what gave us Obama and why Iraq is a shitshow now.
Posted by: #NeverHillary
No, what gave you Obama was the Republicans having the Presidency, and both Congressional majorities and being greedy, sneaky, gutless, a$$holes who could have done something useful with it but didn't.
Give the Dems credit, when they have control they aren't shy about fkking up the country the way they want to.
That's why Trump, and none of the other 16, is a possible solution.
Posted by: Happy Face Gestapo at September 27, 2016 06:39 PM (iWW0H)
165
Now knowing that any wars we start or take the lead in for one side will be completely abandoned once the dems get control of either the White House or Congress, my recommendations would be to level the place and tell those who survived, "don't make us come back".
Posted by: Darth Randall at September 27, 2016 06:39 PM (6n332)
166
Her answers were scripted to the questions. She kept repeating the same lines over and over ............
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 27, 2016 06:39 PM (NuElX)
167
one thing I hope Trump will bring up is that the Dems kept saying that Bush got us into Iraq without an exit plan. And what was Obama and Hill's exit plan for Libya? "We won! Goodbye!!"
Those they handed off to the MuzBros.
Iraq they pulled out of like a jumpy teenager.
Those they handed off to the MuzBros.
Iraq they pulled out of like a jumpy teenager.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 27, 2016 06:40 PM (uyrlv)
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The ISIS coloring book. Now isn't that special?
I wonder when BLM will come out with "Wal Mart looter" edition coloring book?
Big screen TV's and wine/beer aisle? Color them gone.
I wonder when BLM will come out with "Wal Mart looter" edition coloring book?
Big screen TV's and wine/beer aisle? Color them gone.
Posted by: The Walking Dude at September 27, 2016 06:40 PM (cCxiu)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 27, 2016 06:41 PM (QVVXM)
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I wonder when BLM will come out with "Wal Mart looter" edition coloring book?
#BlackLinesMatter!
I wonder when BLM will come out with "Wal Mart looter" edition coloring book?
#BlackLinesMatter!
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 27, 2016 06:41 PM (uyrlv)
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Trump is making her wait. 1st debate, recon the enemy. 2nd debate, probe her lines and raid here and there, testing her, make her sweat.
3rd debate, crushes her with flanking attacks and rolls up her center.
Hillary is on borrowed time. She can hear footfalls heading her way.
Viva La Trump! Trump El Presidente!
3rd debate, crushes her with flanking attacks and rolls up her center.
Hillary is on borrowed time. She can hear footfalls heading her way.
Viva La Trump! Trump El Presidente!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2016 06:41 PM (ej1L0)
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They couldn't even handle the handoff to the MoBros right in Egypt, because that bearded Morsi moron got couped.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 27, 2016 06:42 PM (QxhSw)
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The reddit folks have a thread with high res multiple shots of Hillary with typed out notes for the debate last night.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 27, 2016 06:37 PM (vRd8t)
She was clearly scribbling on something, even though the rules said no notes.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 27, 2016 06:37 PM (vRd8t)
She was clearly scribbling on something, even though the rules said no notes.
Posted by: josephistan at September 27, 2016 06:43 PM (7qAYi)
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I wonder when BLM will come out with "Wal Mart looter" edition coloring book?
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#BlackLinesMatter!
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 27, 2016 06:41 PM (uyrlv)
Coloring within the lines is racist.
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#BlackLinesMatter!
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 27, 2016 06:41 PM (uyrlv)
Coloring within the lines is racist.
Posted by: RickZ at September 27, 2016 06:43 PM (jrQYc)
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A halfway prepared Trump could have easily swatted this accusation without just yelling "Sean Hannity!!" as his answer.
And #1 would be a sitting US Senator voting to go to war has far more responsibility than a private citizen like Trump.
And #1 would be a sitting US Senator voting to go to war has far more responsibility than a private citizen like Trump.
Posted by: Maritime at September 27, 2016 06:43 PM (2JFSt)
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When she is so obviously condescending and rude, it just reinforces the existing perception that she is an entitled bitch
Yep, she looks like a mean girl, one of those people you worked for that was always demeaning and sneering at everyone. Not a winning optic.
Yep, she looks like a mean girl, one of those people you worked for that was always demeaning and sneering at everyone. Not a winning optic.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:43 PM (39g3+)
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How about we make Obama the US Ambassador to Syria with his office in Aleppo ??? Anyone...Anyone...Bueller ???
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 27, 2016 06:43 PM (NuElX)
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Dead thug Keith Lamont Scott had a stolen gun.
Only the Daily Mail will report. And WZ of course.
Only the Daily Mail will report. And WZ of course.
Posted by: Golfman at September 27, 2016 06:43 PM (zjvxX)
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This if funny. Hofstra charged debate attendees (the media) $150 to connect to their WiFi and prohibited anyone from using their own mobile WiFi in violation of the law. Marriott paid a $600k fine for doing the same thing:
www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/27/presidential_debate_wifi_ripoff/
www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/27/presidential_debate_wifi_ripoff/
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 27, 2016 06:44 PM (+jxXr)
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Only the Daily Mail will report. And WZ of course.
And his grieving wife had a restraining order out on Him in 2015... violence against Her and one of His kids...
Only the Daily Mail will report. And WZ of course.
And his grieving wife had a restraining order out on Him in 2015... violence against Her and one of His kids...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 27, 2016 06:44 PM (O2RFr)
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178 Dead thug Keith Lamont Scott had a stolen gun. Only the Daily Mail will report. And WZ of course.
This has to be Bush's fault somehow !!!!!!!!!!
This has to be Bush's fault somehow !!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 27, 2016 06:45 PM (NuElX)
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How about we make Obama the US Ambassador to Syria with his office in Aleppo ?
Something Hillary and Donald can unite upon.
Something Hillary and Donald can unite upon.
Posted by: t-bird at September 27, 2016 06:45 PM (eeTCA)
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Can't believe Glenn Reynolds got a yellow card for suggesting people do to the Charlotte rioters what they deserve when they deserve it.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 27, 2016 06:45 PM (QxhSw)
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Heh, on Reddit regarding whatever it was Holt put on Hillary's podium: "We need to get the weaponized autists of 4chan investigating this."
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:45 PM (39g3+)
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Is Ferd a troll?
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 27, 2016 06:46 PM (QxhSw)
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173 The reddit folks have a thread with high res multiple shots of Hillary with typed out notes for the debate last night.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 27, 2016 06:37 PM (vRd8t)
She was clearly scribbling on something, even though the rules said no notes.
Posted by: josephistan at September 27, 2016 06:43 PM (7qAYi)
Yup.... she was TOO confident.... she kept looking down at the podium, like she was reading notes...
almost like... she knew what the questions were going to be, from the very start...
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 27, 2016 06:37 PM (vRd8t)
She was clearly scribbling on something, even though the rules said no notes.
Posted by: josephistan at September 27, 2016 06:43 PM (7qAYi)
Yup.... she was TOO confident.... she kept looking down at the podium, like she was reading notes...
almost like... she knew what the questions were going to be, from the very start...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 27, 2016 06:46 PM (qf6WZ)
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Even if Hillary had things up on the podium that were unethical, there's no smoking gun to prove it, just as people thought she had a earpiece the other time and it went nowhere but a bunch of speculation by Trump supporters. Team Hillary will probably cheat as much as they can in the debates and they won't be able to catch her at it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 27, 2016 06:46 PM (EnGQE)
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139 "I do. Trump made the mistake of making it persona and letting his ego get in the way."
Just the opposite. Trump's most important goal here was to look Presidential and non-threatening for all the non-political viewers who were literally seeing him speak unedited for the very first time. Using this time to attack Hillary runs counter to that goal and squanders this opportunity. He pointedly demonstrated restraint, and when you've been painted as a loose-cannon lunatic that's a pretty powerful rebuttal all by itself.
There are many other, more effective opportunities to hit back at Hillary.
Posted by: GalosGann
Agreed, I liked the way he set up the Bill's women attacks to come soon now that she wasn't very nice.
Just the opposite. Trump's most important goal here was to look Presidential and non-threatening for all the non-political viewers who were literally seeing him speak unedited for the very first time. Using this time to attack Hillary runs counter to that goal and squanders this opportunity. He pointedly demonstrated restraint, and when you've been painted as a loose-cannon lunatic that's a pretty powerful rebuttal all by itself.
There are many other, more effective opportunities to hit back at Hillary.
Posted by: GalosGann
Agreed, I liked the way he set up the Bill's women attacks to come soon now that she wasn't very nice.
Posted by: Happy Face Gestapo at September 27, 2016 06:47 PM (iWW0H)
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Prager said Trump came off as Human, Hillary came off as not.
Probably because of the way her eyes move independently, like a chameleon.
Probably because of the way her eyes move independently, like a chameleon.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 27, 2016 06:47 PM (YEelc)
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37 When they ask Trump for his tax return, he should say that you need to vote for him to find out what's in it - away from the fog of the election.
When Hillary said she was happy her father never worked for Trump, Trump should have responded, "And I'm happy my son wasn't in Benghazi under your watch."
When Hillary demanded apologies from Trump, Trump should have responded, "Certainly - as soon as you apologize for lying to the mothers of the men killed in Benghazi."
And on and on.
I would think he could have beat her like a rented red-headed step-mule. Don't understand what happened.
Posted by: kathysaysso at September 27, 2016 06:08 PM (43OZ6)
His job was to prove that all the screaming that he's a nasty, unstable maniac is a media invention. I think he succeeded. Your advice would have played into Hillary & the media's hands.
When Hillary said she was happy her father never worked for Trump, Trump should have responded, "And I'm happy my son wasn't in Benghazi under your watch."
When Hillary demanded apologies from Trump, Trump should have responded, "Certainly - as soon as you apologize for lying to the mothers of the men killed in Benghazi."
And on and on.
I would think he could have beat her like a rented red-headed step-mule. Don't understand what happened.
Posted by: kathysaysso at September 27, 2016 06:08 PM (43OZ6)
His job was to prove that all the screaming that he's a nasty, unstable maniac is a media invention. I think he succeeded. Your advice would have played into Hillary & the media's hands.
Posted by: Bernette at September 27, 2016 06:47 PM (ru2SK)
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Nobody believed the regime would survive much past the Safwan cease-fire (incl. many in the regime and most non-Sunnis outside B'dad). Even the partial regime collapse (Kurdistan) as you recall brought its own share of hassles WRT humanitarian aid.
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Which, I guess, indicates an error made by the entire foreign policy team of GHWB. Specially trained people whose sole job it is not to make that kind of error. And error so great it probably set in motion the entire mess we are now experiencing (global terrorist jihad). Aided and abetted by subsequent administrations of course.
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Which, I guess, indicates an error made by the entire foreign policy team of GHWB. Specially trained people whose sole job it is not to make that kind of error. And error so great it probably set in motion the entire mess we are now experiencing (global terrorist jihad). Aided and abetted by subsequent administrations of course.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 27, 2016 06:47 PM (rTMHK)
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>> Which was a big mistake. The Iraq War was
>> necessary.
No, absolutely not. It was not a 'war of necessity', it was a 'war of convenience'.
I'd like to be able to take credit for coining those terms a decade ago.
Now 'war of convenience' doesn't mean you don't do it, 'war of convenience' means you've got a very, very limited time threshold to get it over with successfully. Not casualties, time.
I hate to sound FDR-cold, but you spend the lives to finish it fast and everyone will call it a success. Bush and Rumsfeld and Franks and the rest were not prepared to do it right, and they ended up killing just as many troops in a decade in a loss as it'd have taken to win it in two years.
Just my take.
>> The fact that Bush mucked it up with his
>> retarded "hearts and minds", touchy, feely,
No question it was fucked up. That was Bush 43 not having the experience of his dad and being played by Rumsfeld and his DoD. Bush 41 would have never fallen for the shit Rumsfeld sold Bush 43.
>> necessary.
No, absolutely not. It was not a 'war of necessity', it was a 'war of convenience'.
I'd like to be able to take credit for coining those terms a decade ago.
Now 'war of convenience' doesn't mean you don't do it, 'war of convenience' means you've got a very, very limited time threshold to get it over with successfully. Not casualties, time.
I hate to sound FDR-cold, but you spend the lives to finish it fast and everyone will call it a success. Bush and Rumsfeld and Franks and the rest were not prepared to do it right, and they ended up killing just as many troops in a decade in a loss as it'd have taken to win it in two years.
Just my take.
>> The fact that Bush mucked it up with his
>> retarded "hearts and minds", touchy, feely,
No question it was fucked up. That was Bush 43 not having the experience of his dad and being played by Rumsfeld and his DoD. Bush 41 would have never fallen for the shit Rumsfeld sold Bush 43.
Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2016 06:47 PM (TppKb)
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Dead thug Keith Lamont Scott had a stolen gun.
A loaded, cocked, stolen gun. But it was a bookish gun.
A loaded, cocked, stolen gun. But it was a bookish gun.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:47 PM (39g3+)
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Since 1992, the Shrill One has been involved in the actual machinery of gubmint, when she decided to become an activist 1st Lady and lead a commission to totes remake our health care system. The eventual outcome product of that unholy alliance between liberal groups, Dems, Big Insurance and Big Pharma was 1243 pages of crap that smelled suspiciously like OblalaCare.
Fortunately it died in Congress the first time around.
Then she slid into the Senate, then SoS. So she has been a part of the System for at least 24 years, pushing shoving and nudging actual US policies. Trump, otoh, has been busy over that same timeframe trying to avoid getting chewed up by that same system.
How the fuck does a DT opinion count as 1/100 of the weight of someone there actually tugging on those levers? Yet Illary doesn't even have to liesplain her flip-flop on Iraq while Trump gets an interrogation over the same issue on the debate stage.
Go figure.
Fortunately it died in Congress the first time around.
Then she slid into the Senate, then SoS. So she has been a part of the System for at least 24 years, pushing shoving and nudging actual US policies. Trump, otoh, has been busy over that same timeframe trying to avoid getting chewed up by that same system.
How the fuck does a DT opinion count as 1/100 of the weight of someone there actually tugging on those levers? Yet Illary doesn't even have to liesplain her flip-flop on Iraq while Trump gets an interrogation over the same issue on the debate stage.
Go figure.
Posted by: GnuBreed, powering through his deplorability at September 27, 2016 06:47 PM (gyKtp)
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Poppy Bush was, obviously, for the Iraq War and so was his gal, Hillary. Link the Bushes to Hillary. Sounds like a win to me.
Posted by: ever at September 27, 2016 06:48 PM (kronK)
Posted by: Hillary's Full Depends at September 27, 2016 06:48 PM (6N+OU)
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Supposedly a flood of money is coming into Trump's campaign according to FoxNews.
$14 million in a day
$14 million in a day
Posted by: Maritime at September 27, 2016 06:48 PM (2JFSt)
Posted by: Mega at September 27, 2016 06:48 PM (EdXI9)
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The Trump campaign needs to insist that in the next debate each side prepares a list of questions, not the moderator.
Why on Earth is Lester Holt's agenda allowed to control the debate? He didn't win any nomination. No one voted for him.
Let Hillary come up with some questions and Trump come up with some questions.
The moderater can ask those questions and police the time limits.
Why on Earth is Lester Holt's agenda allowed to control the debate? He didn't win any nomination. No one voted for him.
Let Hillary come up with some questions and Trump come up with some questions.
The moderater can ask those questions and police the time limits.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 27, 2016 06:49 PM (fgOnp)
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A total shore-up-the-base issue for Hillary's peeps - Progressives - they're the ones who always foam at the mouth on the subject.
Posted by: Joanne at September 27, 2016 06:49 PM (0s2g3)
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Ferd Berfal was a character on "Laugh-In" during the 1960- 1970's I do believe...
Posted by: Mike Hunt at September 27, 2016 06:49 PM (npY2G)
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Posted by: GnuBreed, powering through his deplorability at September 27, 2016 06:47 PM (gyKt
Words versus deeds.
Words versus deeds.
Posted by: Golfman at September 27, 2016 06:49 PM (zjvxX)
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W has the ball on the Iraqi one yard line. He hands it off to Obama. Obama fumbles, ISIS recovers, and ISIS is heading for the end zone!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 27, 2016 06:49 PM (Nwg0u)
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Dead thug Keith Lamont Scott had a stolen gun.
A loaded, cocked, stolen gun. But it was a bookish gun.
A veritable Western Canon, as it were.
A loaded, cocked, stolen gun. But it was a bookish gun.
A veritable Western Canon, as it were.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 27, 2016 06:49 PM (YEelc)
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When we build our country up a new, can we pretty please make sure we install honest reporters? You'd think it's not huge task but evidently finding individuals who just want to document facts is a hard thing.
So again, in the new country, let's make sure treason like last 70 years of "news" media this country has been victim of under the guise of the 1st amendment is totally avoided.
Until these 'debates' are no longer moderated by these leftwing hack jobs, there will be no honest assessment of where we are as a nation and where we need to go. All we will get is "because racist" "I don't like you so you're hitler" and my personal favorite "when did you stop beating your wife?"
So again, in the new country, let's make sure treason like last 70 years of "news" media this country has been victim of under the guise of the 1st amendment is totally avoided.
Until these 'debates' are no longer moderated by these leftwing hack jobs, there will be no honest assessment of where we are as a nation and where we need to go. All we will get is "because racist" "I don't like you so you're hitler" and my personal favorite "when did you stop beating your wife?"
Posted by: melodicmetal at September 27, 2016 06:50 PM (ficNf)
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Supposedly a flood of money is coming into Trump's campaign according to FoxNews.
Huh, if there's one thing he's proved, its that he doesn't really need money.
Huh, if there's one thing he's proved, its that he doesn't really need money.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:50 PM (39g3+)
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Scribbling? She was clearly glancing down during practically every response.
If she was not to take notes why did she have a pen and pad at all.
If she was not to take notes why did she have a pen and pad at all.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 27, 2016 06:50 PM (rTMHK)
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 27, 2016 06:51 PM (O2RFr)
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Progressives. At least there's a sign in CENTEX with the words "A Practical Progressive" under the candidate's name. FWIW
Posted by: Auscolpyr at September 27, 2016 06:51 PM (pzA2L)
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"what was Obama and Hill's exit plan for Libya? "We won! Goodbye!!"
Posted by: mallfly
Soros allegedly was actually backing the disruption of Muslims tearing apart Europe ... Libya has been a huge portal for them, from other parts of N Africa as well, not just Syrian refugees. And of course Obama had inserted Morsi ... so what they really have in mind ... nothing good.
Posted by: mallfly
Soros allegedly was actually backing the disruption of Muslims tearing apart Europe ... Libya has been a huge portal for them, from other parts of N Africa as well, not just Syrian refugees. And of course Obama had inserted Morsi ... so what they really have in mind ... nothing good.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 27, 2016 06:51 PM (n6rAX)
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Again, yesterday it was common knowledge that Trump would "win" the debate as long as he didn't do anything outrageous. Now today, that standard seems to have passed into the ether and he should have, could have, didn't whatever.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 27, 2016 06:51 PM (09Ay7)
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The time is past when we can avert our eyes from a society in which it is easier for a black man to steal a gun than to steal a book.
Posted by: Barky Obama at September 27, 2016 06:52 PM (fgOnp)
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Bush 41 would have never fallen for the shit Rumsfeld sold Bush 43.
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And to think, I thought Rumsfeld was a toughie at first. wth was his problem? Those wimpy ROE, wth?
Bush 41 would have never fallen for the shit Rumsfeld sold Bush 43.
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And to think, I thought Rumsfeld was a toughie at first. wth was his problem? Those wimpy ROE, wth?
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at September 27, 2016 06:52 PM (oGNNA)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 27, 2016 06:53 PM (Nwg0u)
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206 Supposedly a flood of money is coming into Trump's campaign according to FoxNews.
Huh, if there's one thing he's proved, its that he doesn't really need money.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:50 PM (39g3+)
I'd like to see him take the ad that on top of youtube and run it as a real commercial.
Huh, if there's one thing he's proved, its that he doesn't really need money.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:50 PM (39g3+)
I'd like to see him take the ad that on top of youtube and run it as a real commercial.
Posted by: buzzion at September 27, 2016 06:53 PM (z/Ubi)
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Bearing Arms had story Keith Scott had a restraining order against him by his wife and had previously threatened her with a gun.
Posted by: Skip at September 27, 2016 06:53 PM (JfUI4)
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MAGA, perfection is only a standard for the WaPo and other Beltway triple-guessers. Purpose was to defang/humiliate/bottle up the regime, not neccessarily end it. Those purposes suited the situation, and our interests.
And JEM, there's so much wrong with your comment that even if I wasn't off to the gym, I couldn't engage it in this format.
But it's illustrative of why anyone risking their life for the US these days - for the electorate, all of one side and a lot of the other - is a chump. Completely unserious country, completely immersed in the Matrix of myth and comforting disinformation and sloppy reasoning.
Oh well.
MAGA, perfection is only a standard for the WaPo and other Beltway triple-guessers. Purpose was to defang/humiliate/bottle up the regime, not neccessarily end it. Those purposes suited the situation, and our interests.
And JEM, there's so much wrong with your comment that even if I wasn't off to the gym, I couldn't engage it in this format.
But it's illustrative of why anyone risking their life for the US these days - for the electorate, all of one side and a lot of the other - is a chump. Completely unserious country, completely immersed in the Matrix of myth and comforting disinformation and sloppy reasoning.
Oh well.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2016 06:54 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 27, 2016 06:54 PM (rTMHK)
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The Trump campaign needs to insist that in the next debate each side prepares a list of questions, not the moderator.
I believe the next debate the candidates will be fielding questions from audience members in a townhall type format
The Trump campaign needs to insist that in the next debate each side prepares a list of questions, not the moderator.
I believe the next debate the candidates will be fielding questions from audience members in a townhall type format
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 27, 2016 06:54 PM (lKyWE)
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>> The Trump campaign needs to insist that in the
>> next debate each side prepares a list of questions,
>> not the moderator.
I would entirely support a provision whereby all of - well, us, and our Dem fever-swamp opposition - submit a battery of questions, and some - here's where the problem comes in - entity whittles them down to six or ten per side, and they're presented to the candidates unfiltered.
It's that middle tier that is the problem.
>> next debate each side prepares a list of questions,
>> not the moderator.
I would entirely support a provision whereby all of - well, us, and our Dem fever-swamp opposition - submit a battery of questions, and some - here's where the problem comes in - entity whittles them down to six or ten per side, and they're presented to the candidates unfiltered.
It's that middle tier that is the problem.
Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2016 06:54 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: Golfman at September 27, 2016 06:54 PM (zjvxX)
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This movie is so bad its hard to stop watching it
Posted by: Skip at September 27, 2016 06:55 PM (JfUI4)
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If I had done extensive debate prep and they gave me a pen and a pad, I'd scribble down the many mnemonic devices that I had memorized so that I had notes for specific points that I wanted to cover in an answer. Then, when the question came up I'd just have to look down at the mnemonic device. I did that in school. The second they handed me the test, I'd pencil the 7 or 8 mnemonic devices I'd been chanting to myself for the last hour. Then, during the test I could refer to them.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 27, 2016 06:55 PM (09Ay7)
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I think it's kind of pointless to say, "Well, he should have said this" or "He didn't say that.". It's like Monday morning quarterbacking. Well, he didn't say it. We're not his debate advisors and we weren't the ones actually up there.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 27, 2016 06:55 PM (EnGQE)
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I intend to focus on the cyber. Bigly. Very very bigly.
Posted by: Don from Manhattan at September 27, 2016 06:56 PM (K3F/8)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 27, 2016 06:56 PM (Nwg0u)
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I thought Trump was taking notes.
It looked like it... The thing about Hillary that reddit is saying is that her's was typed out meaning they were already written which was a no no...
It looked like it... The thing about Hillary that reddit is saying is that her's was typed out meaning they were already written which was a no no...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 27, 2016 06:56 PM (O2RFr)
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I believe the next debate the candidates will be fielding questions from audience members in a townhall type format
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 27, 2016 06:54 PM (lKyWE)
Which means that they are going to be from people that are going to ask the questions the moderator would have asked anyways. You know what the difference in questions last night would have been if it were audience members last night instead of Lester Holt asking them? Nothing.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 27, 2016 06:54 PM (lKyWE)
Which means that they are going to be from people that are going to ask the questions the moderator would have asked anyways. You know what the difference in questions last night would have been if it were audience members last night instead of Lester Holt asking them? Nothing.
Posted by: buzzion at September 27, 2016 06:57 PM (z/Ubi)
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Mutant hunt on Comet
Posted by: Skip at September 27, 2016 06:57 PM (JfUI4)
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And what the F is the "public information" about Saudis officials "facilitating" 9/11?
Are you familiar with 9/11? What happened? The prep and financing and planning?
No Saudi offical help was required for any of it. Obviously. WTF are you talking about?
Posted by: rhomboid
Wrong.
Andrew McCarth @NRO
April 16 2016
"Bayoumi is a native Saudi who worked for years in the Kingdom's defense ministry before moving to the U.S. in 1994. The defense ministry continued to pay him a salary while he held a series of no-show jobs in the San Diego area. For over a year prior to 9/11, he also received an extra stipend of approximately $3,000 per month from Princess Haifa bint Faisal, the [daughter of the late Saudi King Faisal and] wife of the [former] Saudi ambassador to the United States, Bandar bin Sultan. [Prince Bandar later became head of Saudi intelligence.] It was during those months that [Bayoumi] provided essential logistical support to Midhar and Hazmi.
On February 1, 2000, after briefly visiting the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles, Bayoumi met the two eventual hijackers at a restaurant. Patently, it appears to have been a prearranged rendezvous - notwithstanding Bayoumi's counter story: He just happened to drive up from San Diego that day to address a visa issue - with a government that was paying him [and at the consulate where Thumairy worked] - when, completely by chance, he ran into Midhar and Hazmi, struck up a fast friendship with the taciturn duo, and urged them to come live in his neighborhood."
There's a lot more in the article.
Are you familiar with 9/11? What happened? The prep and financing and planning?
No Saudi offical help was required for any of it. Obviously. WTF are you talking about?
Posted by: rhomboid
Wrong.
Andrew McCarth @NRO
April 16 2016
"Bayoumi is a native Saudi who worked for years in the Kingdom's defense ministry before moving to the U.S. in 1994. The defense ministry continued to pay him a salary while he held a series of no-show jobs in the San Diego area. For over a year prior to 9/11, he also received an extra stipend of approximately $3,000 per month from Princess Haifa bint Faisal, the [daughter of the late Saudi King Faisal and] wife of the [former] Saudi ambassador to the United States, Bandar bin Sultan. [Prince Bandar later became head of Saudi intelligence.] It was during those months that [Bayoumi] provided essential logistical support to Midhar and Hazmi.
On February 1, 2000, after briefly visiting the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles, Bayoumi met the two eventual hijackers at a restaurant. Patently, it appears to have been a prearranged rendezvous - notwithstanding Bayoumi's counter story: He just happened to drive up from San Diego that day to address a visa issue - with a government that was paying him [and at the consulate where Thumairy worked] - when, completely by chance, he ran into Midhar and Hazmi, struck up a fast friendship with the taciturn duo, and urged them to come live in his neighborhood."
There's a lot more in the article.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 27, 2016 06:57 PM (V3IFq)
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WHY AM I NOT 50 POINTS AHEAD YOU MIGHT ASK!?
Posted by: H-Roids at September 27, 2016 06:57 PM (HgMAr)
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Why does it matter either way what Trump's thoughts were on the Iraq War? Him and his supporters want to sell the idea that he has good foreign policy instincts, but we all know he doesn't know shit about foreign policy and that his policy positions (domestic and abroad) are ephemeral waking dreams that shift with his daily horoscope.
That the idiot media is so hung up on whether he got one 50/50 question right is probably to Trump's advantage, because it treats him like a normal candidate defending a record and not the guy who shows no evidence of even the most basic foreign affairs knowledge required to follow a Hollywood "political thriller". He can't talk about the Obama admin's actions in Libya in greater depth than "Hillary screwed up Libya". His stated position on Iraq is about as qualified and useful to anyone as his stated position on m-theory.
You can argue about how unfair the media treats Trump by trying to make all these small things into scandals, but in doing so they ignore the "red X carved crudely through the face of a rotting pig with a bunch of stripper-glitter tossed on it" that is the Trump mindscape, and Trump gets to leapfrog over the debate that he is hideously unqualified to be trusted in any position of authority, which in any prior election would have certainly been fair game.
That the idiot media is so hung up on whether he got one 50/50 question right is probably to Trump's advantage, because it treats him like a normal candidate defending a record and not the guy who shows no evidence of even the most basic foreign affairs knowledge required to follow a Hollywood "political thriller". He can't talk about the Obama admin's actions in Libya in greater depth than "Hillary screwed up Libya". His stated position on Iraq is about as qualified and useful to anyone as his stated position on m-theory.
You can argue about how unfair the media treats Trump by trying to make all these small things into scandals, but in doing so they ignore the "red X carved crudely through the face of a rotting pig with a bunch of stripper-glitter tossed on it" that is the Trump mindscape, and Trump gets to leapfrog over the debate that he is hideously unqualified to be trusted in any position of authority, which in any prior election would have certainly been fair game.
Posted by: reform highlander at September 27, 2016 06:57 PM (jCH/T)
Posted by: zombie MSM at September 27, 2016 06:58 PM (V+C3K)
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207 Scribbling? She was clearly glancing down during practically every response.
If she was not to take notes why did she have a pen and pad at all.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 27, 2016 06:50 PM (rTMHK)
The notes and stuff the old man with glasses grabs from her podium at the end on camera and stuffs the papers into a folder. One sheet has some hand written notes and another high res screen grab shows a page with small types up paragraghs.
She cheated. She had not appeared that crisp and lucid since the primaries in 2008.
Let the weaponized autists handle it. Bringing the Clintons down is at the top of their bucket list.
If she was not to take notes why did she have a pen and pad at all.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 27, 2016 06:50 PM (rTMHK)
The notes and stuff the old man with glasses grabs from her podium at the end on camera and stuffs the papers into a folder. One sheet has some hand written notes and another high res screen grab shows a page with small types up paragraghs.
She cheated. She had not appeared that crisp and lucid since the primaries in 2008.
Let the weaponized autists handle it. Bringing the Clintons down is at the top of their bucket list.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 27, 2016 06:58 PM (vRd8t)
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Trump could have a really effective campaign commercial with Hillary as violent chicken hawk neo-con. It might confuse the sanders/johnson/usual dimwits into a coma.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 27, 2016 06:58 PM (09Ay7)
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Bearing Arms had story Keith Scott had a restraining order against him by his wife and had previously threatened her with a gun.
That was before he turned into t-shirt gold.
That was before he turned into t-shirt gold.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 27, 2016 06:58 PM (uyrlv)
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Soros allegedly was actually backing the disruption of Muslims tearing apart Europe ... Libya has been a huge portal for them, from other parts of N Africa as well, not just Syrian refugees. And of course Obama had inserted Morsi ... so what they really have in mind ... nothing good.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 27, 2016 06:51 PM (n6rAX
Yup.... Soros was also funding the overthrow of the Elected Government in Ukraine... because it was pro Russian...
But more IMO, to spread chaos.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 27, 2016 06:51 PM (n6rAX
Yup.... Soros was also funding the overthrow of the Elected Government in Ukraine... because it was pro Russian...
But more IMO, to spread chaos.
Posted by: Don Q. at September 27, 2016 06:58 PM (qf6WZ)
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Which was a big mistake. The Iraq War was necessary. The fact that Bush mucked it up with his retarded "hearts and minds", touchy, feely, nation-building for savages bullshit doesn't take away from that.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
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We have utterly lost the ability to wage war. It's a lost art.
Lots and lots of dithering beforehand. (Allowing Saddam to ship his WMDs out.)
Going in with absolutely no definition of what a win will look like.
Going in with no exit strategy.
Trying to be "surgical," and not hurt anybody.
Believing "They're just like us! So let's rebuild their nation in our image!"
...I'm tellin' ya: If we had tried to "liberate the Japanese people from their government," we'd still be fighting that war today.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
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We have utterly lost the ability to wage war. It's a lost art.
Lots and lots of dithering beforehand. (Allowing Saddam to ship his WMDs out.)
Going in with absolutely no definition of what a win will look like.
Going in with no exit strategy.
Trying to be "surgical," and not hurt anybody.
Believing "They're just like us! So let's rebuild their nation in our image!"
...I'm tellin' ya: If we had tried to "liberate the Japanese people from their government," we'd still be fighting that war today.
Posted by: RKae at September 27, 2016 06:58 PM (R6mCt)
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I believe the next debate the candidates will be fielding questions from audience members in a townhall type format
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 27, 2016 06:54 PM (lKyWE)
But don't the moderators in these town halls typically decide which person to call on?
So while it's not the same as the moderator writing the questions, it's not far from it. If there are say 300 people in the audience, each of which has submitted one question, and the moderator picks 15 questions out of the 300, that gives the moderator a lot of power to decide the agenda.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 27, 2016 06:54 PM (lKyWE)
But don't the moderators in these town halls typically decide which person to call on?
So while it's not the same as the moderator writing the questions, it's not far from it. If there are say 300 people in the audience, each of which has submitted one question, and the moderator picks 15 questions out of the 300, that gives the moderator a lot of power to decide the agenda.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 27, 2016 06:58 PM (fgOnp)
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Anderson will get into some gay question but has to be better than Lestor who aided Hillary every chance.
Posted by: Skip at September 27, 2016 06:25 PM (JfUI4)
LOL, good one Skip!
Posted by: Skip at September 27, 2016 06:25 PM (JfUI4)
LOL, good one Skip!
Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 27, 2016 06:59 PM (3sJ/S)
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The first stage was prosecuted well. Then the bureaucrats took over.
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket...forever censored at September 27, 2016 06:13 PM (NwIkk)
The day Bush put Paul Bremer in charge.
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket...forever censored at September 27, 2016 06:13 PM (NwIkk)
The day Bush put Paul Bremer in charge.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 27, 2016 07:00 PM (P/kVC)
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It was obvious Cankles was looking at pre-written notes. the robotic answers and the repeating of the same answers over and over and she still screwed it up !!!!!!
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 27, 2016 07:00 PM (NuElX)
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Dead activist Keith Lamont Scott had a free range gun.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 27, 2016 06:53 PM
Sources say he was turning his life around.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 27, 2016 06:53 PM
Sources say he was turning his life around.
Posted by: zombie MSM at September 27, 2016 07:00 PM (V+C3K)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 27, 2016 07:01 PM (iWW0H)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 27, 2016 07:01 PM (EnGQE)
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"His job was to prove that all the screaming that
he's a nasty, unstable maniac is a media invention. I think he
succeeded. Your advice would have played into Hillary the media's
hands.
Posted by: Bernette at September 27, 2016 06:47 PM (ru2SK)"
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Exactly. Now Trump can be truthful about Hillary and keep all the fence sitters he got last night. I didn't like him letting those softballs go but it was the right thing to do.
he's a nasty, unstable maniac is a media invention. I think he
succeeded. Your advice would have played into Hillary the media's
hands.
Posted by: Bernette at September 27, 2016 06:47 PM (ru2SK)"
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Exactly. Now Trump can be truthful about Hillary and keep all the fence sitters he got last night. I didn't like him letting those softballs go but it was the right thing to do.
Posted by: Jukin,The Deplorable at September 27, 2016 07:01 PM (6N+OU)
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Posted by: rhomboid
Another one to read:
New York Post
Paul Sperry April 17, 2016
"The FBI was thwarted from interviewing the Saudis we wanted to interview by the White House," said former FBI agent Mark Rossini, who was involved in the investigation of al Qaeda and the hijackers. The White House "let them off the hook."
What's more, Rossini said the bureau was told no subpoenas could be served to produce evidence tying departing Saudi suspects to 9/11. The FBI, in turn, iced local investigations that led back to the Saudis.
"The FBI covered their ears every time we mentioned the Saudis," said former Fairfax County Police Lt. Roger Kelly. "It was too political to touch."
Added Kelly, who headed the National Capital Regional Intelligence Center: "You could investigate the Saudis alone, but the Saudis were 'hands-off.' "
Even Anwar al-Awlaki, the hijackers' spiritual adviser, escaped our grasp. In 2002, the Saudi-sponsored cleric was detained at JFK on passport fraud charges only to be released into the custody of a "Saudi representative."
Another one to read:
New York Post
Paul Sperry April 17, 2016
"The FBI was thwarted from interviewing the Saudis we wanted to interview by the White House," said former FBI agent Mark Rossini, who was involved in the investigation of al Qaeda and the hijackers. The White House "let them off the hook."
What's more, Rossini said the bureau was told no subpoenas could be served to produce evidence tying departing Saudi suspects to 9/11. The FBI, in turn, iced local investigations that led back to the Saudis.
"The FBI covered their ears every time we mentioned the Saudis," said former Fairfax County Police Lt. Roger Kelly. "It was too political to touch."
Added Kelly, who headed the National Capital Regional Intelligence Center: "You could investigate the Saudis alone, but the Saudis were 'hands-off.' "
Even Anwar al-Awlaki, the hijackers' spiritual adviser, escaped our grasp. In 2002, the Saudi-sponsored cleric was detained at JFK on passport fraud charges only to be released into the custody of a "Saudi representative."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 27, 2016 07:02 PM (V3IFq)
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"No Saudi offical help was required for any of it. Obviously. WTF are you talking about?"
What's in the redacted part of the 9/11 report. That and the fact that nearly all of the hijackers were Saudi nationals.
In the aftermath of 9/11 there was disinformation put out that purported to show a link to Saddam but it was BS to promote the war vote.
I've always been a bit tinfoil hat over the ties between the Bushes and Saudis.
But even Bush 41 sent a message through Brent Scowcroft delivered on the op-ed page of WSJ telling Bush 43 not to invade.
What's in the redacted part of the 9/11 report. That and the fact that nearly all of the hijackers were Saudi nationals.
In the aftermath of 9/11 there was disinformation put out that purported to show a link to Saddam but it was BS to promote the war vote.
I've always been a bit tinfoil hat over the ties between the Bushes and Saudis.
But even Bush 41 sent a message through Brent Scowcroft delivered on the op-ed page of WSJ telling Bush 43 not to invade.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 07:02 PM (r1fLd)
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Sources say he was turning his life around
I see the grieving Family is already fighting about who gets to sue for the money they're gonna extort from the public...
I see the grieving Family is already fighting about who gets to sue for the money they're gonna extort from the public...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 27, 2016 07:02 PM (O2RFr)
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231 WHY AM I NOT 50 POINTS AHEAD YOU MIGHT ASK!?
Posted by: H-Roids at September 27, 2016 06:57 PM
This is YUGE!!! Just like Miss Venezuela, let me tell you.
Posted by: H-Roids at September 27, 2016 06:57 PM
This is YUGE!!! Just like Miss Venezuela, let me tell you.
Posted by: Don from Manhattan at September 27, 2016 07:02 PM (K3F/8)
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Terminated with extreme prejudice person of color human rights activist Keith Lamont Scott was only protecting his rights as a free man by which was established by Abe Lincoln you racists........
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 27, 2016 07:02 PM (NuElX)
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No question it was fucked up. That was Bush 43 not having the experience of his dad and being played by Rumsfeld and his DoD. Bush 41 would have never fallen for the shit Rumsfeld sold Bush 43.
Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2016 06:47 PM (TppKb)
Bush 41 was an incompetent idiot who didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. He didn't know how to fight a war and made a total mess of his very successful attack and defeat of saddam.
Bush 41 and Powell should have both been locked up after what they did in 91, not finishing the job.
Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2016 06:47 PM (TppKb)
Bush 41 was an incompetent idiot who didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. He didn't know how to fight a war and made a total mess of his very successful attack and defeat of saddam.
Bush 41 and Powell should have both been locked up after what they did in 91, not finishing the job.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 27, 2016 07:02 PM (zc3Db)
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You know what the difference in questions last night would have been if it were audience members last night instead of Lester Holt asking them? Nothing.
Posted by: buzzion at September 27, 2016 06:57 PM (z/Ubi)
Yeah I get that but the difference is its harder to deflect and go on offenses because it makes it look like you're ignoring the audience members question.
You know what the difference in questions last night would have been if it were audience members last night instead of Lester Holt asking them? Nothing.
Posted by: buzzion at September 27, 2016 06:57 PM (z/Ubi)
Yeah I get that but the difference is its harder to deflect and go on offenses because it makes it look like you're ignoring the audience members question.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 27, 2016 07:03 PM (lKyWE)
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MAGA, perfection is only a standard for the WaPo and other Beltway triple-guessers. Purpose was to defang/humiliate/bottle up the regime, not neccessarily end it. Those purposes suited the situation, and our interest
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Sorry that's just bullshit. You just said NO ONE thought the regime would survive. There would obviously be some risk that it would survive if it weren't destroyed. If NO ONE thought the regime would survive it would lead to an entire neglect of alternative strategies to alleviate that potentiality.
Again I'll hold that as a major foreign policy error, perhaps even "malpractice" if such a term can be used.
MAGA, perfection is only a standard for the WaPo and other Beltway triple-guessers. Purpose was to defang/humiliate/bottle up the regime, not neccessarily end it. Those purposes suited the situation, and our interest
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Sorry that's just bullshit. You just said NO ONE thought the regime would survive. There would obviously be some risk that it would survive if it weren't destroyed. If NO ONE thought the regime would survive it would lead to an entire neglect of alternative strategies to alleviate that potentiality.
Again I'll hold that as a major foreign policy error, perhaps even "malpractice" if such a term can be used.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 27, 2016 07:03 PM (rTMHK)
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The first stage was prosecuted well. Then the bureaucrats took over.
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket...forever censored at September 27, 2016 06:13 PM (NwIkk)
The day Bush put Paul Bremer in charge.
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Don't forget Colin "Killer" Powell.
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket...forever censored at September 27, 2016 06:13 PM (NwIkk)
The day Bush put Paul Bremer in charge.
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Don't forget Colin "Killer" Powell.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 27, 2016 07:03 PM (Nwg0u)
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Why does it matter either way what Trump's thoughts were on the Iraq War? Him and his supporters want to sell the idea that he has good foreign policy instincts, but we all know he doesn't know shit about foreign policy and that his policy positions (domestic and abroad) are ephemeral waking dreams that shift with his daily horoscope.
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First, it's "He and his supporters..." Read a book.
Secondly, a lack of specific policy knowledge performance is highly preferable to the disgusting, treasonous, pay-to-play, tax payer- raping (sometimes literally) self aggrandizement of the most evil woman in the world.
You don't know squat, are repeating OFA talking points, and wouldn't know a foreign "policy" if it shot you in a mall. Go pretend you have a cogent thought elsewhere.
*****
First, it's "He and his supporters..." Read a book.
Secondly, a lack of specific policy knowledge performance is highly preferable to the disgusting, treasonous, pay-to-play, tax payer- raping (sometimes literally) self aggrandizement of the most evil woman in the world.
You don't know squat, are repeating OFA talking points, and wouldn't know a foreign "policy" if it shot you in a mall. Go pretend you have a cogent thought elsewhere.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 27, 2016 07:03 PM (09Ay7)
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What I really want to know is why a seventy year old granny is wearing stiletto-style high heels.
Is she going clubbing after the debate? Vodka, cocaine, and blood transfusions at the local vampire rave?
Is she going clubbing after the debate? Vodka, cocaine, and blood transfusions at the local vampire rave?
Posted by: Fritz at September 27, 2016 07:03 PM (aAHeA)
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Bush 41 and Powell should have both been locked up after what they did in 91, not finishing the job.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
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I hate a quarterback who makes a successful drive down the field and then chokes in the red zone.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
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I hate a quarterback who makes a successful drive down the field and then chokes in the red zone.
Posted by: RKae at September 27, 2016 07:05 PM (R6mCt)
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What pisses me of is that I spent 8 months of my life in those Shit holes Kuwait/Iraq because of BJ Bill and Monica Lewinsky during the time the scandal broke. BJ Bill had to clear the headlines so that it would disappear .... Tell that to my wife that was left with her hands full because I had a 48 hour notice to pack and deploy MOFO Hilderbeast !!!
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 27, 2016 07:05 PM (NuElX)
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Posted by: Fritz at September 27, 2016 07:03 PM (aAHeA)
LOL. To appear taller than she actually is.
LOL. To appear taller than she actually is.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 27, 2016 07:05 PM (EnGQE)
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>>>The fact that Bush mucked it up with his retarded "hearts and minds", touchy, feely, nation-building for savages bullshit doesn't take away from that.
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Scalia's Ghost war plan:
1. We kill them until they surrender. Unconditionally. None of this ceasefire crap.
2. The conditions include the Iraqi Army handing over the Baathist leadership including Saddam, his sons, his henchman, and we hang them.
3. We take the oil until we are fully reimbursed for the costs of liberating and occupying the country.
4. The Iraqi Army with the Baathist leaders removed is given charge of the country. We take the Iraqi officer corps over time through the Fort Benning program for allied foreign officers. We reserve the right to insist that bad apples get thrown out of the Iraqi Army. We cultivate a relationship with them like we do (did) with the Egyptian Army.
5. We don't micromanage the Iraqi Army in running the country, but we use our influence to encourage them in the direction of political progress.
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Scalia's Ghost war plan:
1. We kill them until they surrender. Unconditionally. None of this ceasefire crap.
2. The conditions include the Iraqi Army handing over the Baathist leadership including Saddam, his sons, his henchman, and we hang them.
3. We take the oil until we are fully reimbursed for the costs of liberating and occupying the country.
4. The Iraqi Army with the Baathist leaders removed is given charge of the country. We take the Iraqi officer corps over time through the Fort Benning program for allied foreign officers. We reserve the right to insist that bad apples get thrown out of the Iraqi Army. We cultivate a relationship with them like we do (did) with the Egyptian Army.
5. We don't micromanage the Iraqi Army in running the country, but we use our influence to encourage them in the direction of political progress.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 27, 2016 07:06 PM (fgOnp)
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Hillary's new commercial says she has always fought "for the chilluns."
What a load of crapola. She needs to worry about her own in-bred spawn and leave other people's chilluns alone.
What a load of crapola. She needs to worry about her own in-bred spawn and leave other people's chilluns alone.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2016 07:07 PM (ej1L0)
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n grab shows a page with small types up paragraghs.
She cheated. She had not appeared that crisp and lucid since the primaries in 2008.
Let the weaponized autists handle it. Bringing the Clintons down is at the top of their bucket list.
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I was saying last night she was glancing down at notes, not to mention the apparent coordination between Hillary and Lester.
She cheated. She had not appeared that crisp and lucid since the primaries in 2008.
Let the weaponized autists handle it. Bringing the Clintons down is at the top of their bucket list.
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I was saying last night she was glancing down at notes, not to mention the apparent coordination between Hillary and Lester.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 27, 2016 07:08 PM (rTMHK)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 27, 2016 07:08 PM (EnGQE)
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She fought against the 12 year old rape victim. What "fighting for chilluns" is she talking about?
Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 27, 2016 07:08 PM (09Ay7)
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I was wondering if there were a paperwork train from her Senatorial term which could prove "No Bitch, right here we trained you. "
Yes, there is. But good luck getting it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:34 PM (39g3+)
Some Republican on the same committee she was on could have come out and said "oh hey look, this is the training we get in handling classified information. Senator Clinton got the same training. "
Yeah Yeah i know, still a nice thought.
Yes, there is. But good luck getting it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 27, 2016 06:34 PM (39g3+)
Some Republican on the same committee she was on could have come out and said "oh hey look, this is the training we get in handling classified information. Senator Clinton got the same training. "
Yeah Yeah i know, still a nice thought.
Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 27, 2016 07:09 PM (3sJ/S)
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Supposedly for the next debate, a town-hall type setup, there will be questions from the audience as well as a set of questions posed by the internet, and voted on by the internet.
Here's the actual site for internet posed questions:
https://presidentialopenquestions.com/
Here's the actual site for internet posed questions:
https://presidentialopenquestions.com/
Posted by: GnuBreed, powering through his deplorability at September 27, 2016 07:09 PM (gyKtp)
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>> Posted by: reform highlander at September 27, 2016 06:57 PM
Who will you be voting for?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 27, 2016 07:08 PM
I enquired.
"Reply hazy. Ask again later."
Who will you be voting for?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 27, 2016 07:08 PM
I enquired.
"Reply hazy. Ask again later."
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 27, 2016 07:13 PM (V+C3K)
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About Hillary's notes.
What's galling is that we know that she'd try to cheat because it's her nature. It's like she can't help herself. She's been doing it her entire life.
What's galling is that we know that she'd try to cheat because it's her nature. It's like she can't help herself. She's been doing it her entire life.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 07:15 PM (r1fLd)
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You rubes don't understand. Bush duped me. Bill did too. I'm easily duped. Quick, vote for me for President.
Posted by: Hildog at September 27, 2016 07:20 PM (TShzT)
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262 Hillary's new commercial says she has always fought "for the chilluns."
What a load of crapola. She needs to worry about her own in-bred spawn and leave other people's chilluns alone.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2016 07:07 PM (ej1L0)
And she specifically mentions "children born." As opposed to the ones killed off by PP
What a load of crapola. She needs to worry about her own in-bred spawn and leave other people's chilluns alone.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2016 07:07 PM (ej1L0)
And she specifically mentions "children born." As opposed to the ones killed off by PP
Posted by: josephistan at September 27, 2016 07:21 PM (7qAYi)
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You rubes still don't understand. I wasn't really in favor of the war. I was in favor of whatever benefits me, so I voted against my conscience in oder to dupe you. It's really your fault.
Posted by: Hildog at September 27, 2016 07:25 PM (TShzT)
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Hillary's ass is bigger than Iraq.
Posted by: R. DUKE at September 27, 2016 07:34 PM (ONH2e)
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You know, this is one of the "I don't give a shit" things the insiders obsess over. Who gives a shit what private citizen Trump said on a radio show in 2002?
Unfortunately, Republicans are just as bad about Benghazi - obsessing over the stupid statements about the video, and ignoring the big picture - Hillary's fuck ups got an ambassador killed. The ambassador should never have been in Benghazi in the first place.
Unfortunately, Republicans are just as bad about Benghazi - obsessing over the stupid statements about the video, and ignoring the big picture - Hillary's fuck ups got an ambassador killed. The ambassador should never have been in Benghazi in the first place.
Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at September 27, 2016 07:39 PM (VPvxh)
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It's a patently stupid subject. There are decent arguments to be made for or against that War, and the idea that being for it was "bad judgement" is based on the pop culture notion that the war itself was bad because of all the costs, with no payoff.
But the mistakes were not so much in going to war in the first place, but in how the aftermath was done, and in Obama's handing Iraq over to terrorists. Neither was forseeable at the time.
The better argument to question Hillary's is to look at her time at State. There's the private email, the Russian Reset, the illegal War in Libya, the arming of terrorists who ultimately killed her ambassador there, her refusal to provide security, and her handling of the crisis itself.
In summary, Hillary's time at State is a cornucopia of examples of uncontroversial SUPERBAD judgement. Who gives a crap about the Iraq War?
But the mistakes were not so much in going to war in the first place, but in how the aftermath was done, and in Obama's handing Iraq over to terrorists. Neither was forseeable at the time.
The better argument to question Hillary's is to look at her time at State. There's the private email, the Russian Reset, the illegal War in Libya, the arming of terrorists who ultimately killed her ambassador there, her refusal to provide security, and her handling of the crisis itself.
In summary, Hillary's time at State is a cornucopia of examples of uncontroversial SUPERBAD judgement. Who gives a crap about the Iraq War?
Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 07:41 PM (EnK/R)
Posted by: andycanuck at September 27, 2016 07:41 PM (LdMbv)
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 07:46 PM (r1fLd)
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"Unfortunately, Republicans are just as bad about Benghazi - obsessing over the stupid statements about the video, and ignoring the big picture - Hillary's fuck ups got an ambassador killed. The ambassador should never have been in Benghazi in the first place."
Agreed. Why was the ambassador there, is what should have been investigated. Some Rs didn't want to go there. I'm looking at you McCain.
Agreed. Why was the ambassador there, is what should have been investigated. Some Rs didn't want to go there. I'm looking at you McCain.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 07:48 PM (r1fLd)
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The Town Hall questions are supposed to come from the crowd. Which gives Hillary a huge chance to cheat, by either planting or cherry-picking the questions.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 07:50 PM (r1fLd)
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Someone please tell me the current relevancy of anyone's opinion on the decision to go to war two presidents and 13 years ago?
If you can make that argument, then explain to to me why the guy who was in the real estate biz at the time was asked to defend his opinion when, immediately to his left, was statnding a senator who is on record voting to go to war and has since initiated she was always against it?
Then explain to me why the question of "how do you justify the racist allegation that the first African American President (PBOH) might have been born somewhere else (as was racially stated in his widely distributed author bio for decades) you racist?". Then explain why Trump proceeded to babble incorherently instead of simply stating, "good questions, why not ask the woman who's campaign stated these rumors, since she's conveniently standing to my left".
Then explain to me why Trump was directly asked to justify calling a chick who ballooned up by 60 pounds in a few months "fat" but, immediate to his left stood a woman who has called the women that her husband raped "bimbos" and publicly shamed them for decades.
If you can make that argument, then explain to to me why the guy who was in the real estate biz at the time was asked to defend his opinion when, immediately to his left, was statnding a senator who is on record voting to go to war and has since initiated she was always against it?
Then explain to me why the question of "how do you justify the racist allegation that the first African American President (PBOH) might have been born somewhere else (as was racially stated in his widely distributed author bio for decades) you racist?". Then explain why Trump proceeded to babble incorherently instead of simply stating, "good questions, why not ask the woman who's campaign stated these rumors, since she's conveniently standing to my left".
Then explain to me why Trump was directly asked to justify calling a chick who ballooned up by 60 pounds in a few months "fat" but, immediate to his left stood a woman who has called the women that her husband raped "bimbos" and publicly shamed them for decades.
Posted by: Damiano at September 27, 2016 07:51 PM (71OEY)
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What was Trumps take on the Moroccan Crisis of 1905? Was he for or against?
Posted by: MSM at September 27, 2016 08:44 PM (Ch0fq)
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You know, by 2008 - Iraq was probably one of the better off countries in the middle east. Then Obama took over.
Posted by: Reality Man at September 27, 2016 08:46 PM (Ch0fq)
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@280
Posted by: Damiano at September 27, 2016 07:51 PM (71OEY)
Sigh. All I can offer is that it's a lot easier to come up with sitting at home behind a keyboard, instead of in the hot seat surrounded by vultures. But I was hoping for that kind of stuff too.
Posted by: Damiano at September 27, 2016 07:51 PM (71OEY)
Sigh. All I can offer is that it's a lot easier to come up with sitting at home behind a keyboard, instead of in the hot seat surrounded by vultures. But I was hoping for that kind of stuff too.
Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 09:00 PM (EnK/R)
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The next time the Hillary brings up Donald Trumps tax return he should say " I will release my tax returns after you show us those 30,000 e-mail you deleted. Oh, never mind, they are in lost in cyber space.. Instead, show us copies of the speeches you made to your Wall Street friends for which you were paid thousands."
I would bet those speeches are more damning than what money the Trumpster earned, paid in taxes, or gave to charity.
I would bet those speeches are more damning than what money the Trumpster earned, paid in taxes, or gave to charity.
Posted by: areswomen at September 27, 2016 09:27 PM (GjEiU)
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And another guppy takes the bait.
Posted by: butternut at September 27, 2016 09:40 PM (QNFC/)
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If "Paying Taxes = Patriotism" like Hillary says, why did she donate Bill's used underwear as a tax deduction? Not to mention the public health implications.
Trump obeyed the law, the tax laws that Hillary and her Senate pals passed, whereas she broke the laws--laws that she passed.
Again, she's slamming Trump for obeying the law. could have changed the tax laws if she didn't want Donald to obey them--but she didn't get that job done, either.
Handing somebody Bill Clinton's underpants for a tax break is more Un-American than Donald not wanting to send more money down the Federal rathole.
In fairness though, Bill didn't wear them much anyway.
Trump obeyed the law, the tax laws that Hillary and her Senate pals passed, whereas she broke the laws--laws that she passed.
Again, she's slamming Trump for obeying the law. could have changed the tax laws if she didn't want Donald to obey them--but she didn't get that job done, either.
Handing somebody Bill Clinton's underpants for a tax break is more Un-American than Donald not wanting to send more money down the Federal rathole.
In fairness though, Bill didn't wear them much anyway.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 27, 2016 10:44 PM (Ndje9)
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Trump will release his tax returns on the Oprah show with dr Phil. It'll be yuuge and really something. Great.
Posted by: James at September 28, 2016 01:09 AM (jxw6R)
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The point is, he lied. It's second nature to him. He's calling Bush a war criminal, now, but he wasn't opposed to it inn the beginning when it was still popular. Only after the public turned against the war did he publicly come out against it. He's nothing but a typical politician.
Posted by: rexbatt at September 28, 2016 06:54 AM (woA40)
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Trump is clearly a nutcase when it comes to foreign policy.
It does not matter- let me repeat -it does not matter whether he was for the Iraq War. What was wrong with that war was not the war itself we which won.
What was wrong was Bush's near total lack of preparation or strategy to win the peace and rebuild Iraq. He and most of our elites still refuse to come to grips with the evil that is Orthodox Islam- not just "Radical Islam" and unless you are prepared to defeat Islam not just militarily, but politically, morally and on a psychological level we will continue to lose the overall War on Terror which is really a War between Islam and the rest of the World.
It does not matter- let me repeat -it does not matter whether he was for the Iraq War. What was wrong with that war was not the war itself we which won.
What was wrong was Bush's near total lack of preparation or strategy to win the peace and rebuild Iraq. He and most of our elites still refuse to come to grips with the evil that is Orthodox Islam- not just "Radical Islam" and unless you are prepared to defeat Islam not just militarily, but politically, morally and on a psychological level we will continue to lose the overall War on Terror which is really a War between Islam and the rest of the World.
Posted by: Unsk at September 28, 2016 09:15 AM (DUgBb)
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