The Plural of Anecdote is Not "Data;" It is WINNING

Okay, this is a little hackish, even for me, but I just don't buy the claims of the Twiddiots that Trump lost badly.

McClatchy held a focus group to watch the debate in North Carolina. Who won? Well...

Presidential debate surprise: Clinton loses ground among some voters in swing state

Kae Roberts and Jay Eardly were leaning toward Hillary Clinton before Monday night's debate.

By the end, they had both pulled away.

John Kokos and Hank Federal were undecided going in, potential Clinton backers.

By the end, they'd ruled her out.

Indeed, while polls said that Clinton won the first general election debate with Donald Trump Monday, she may not have won actual votes. And she may even have lost some, at least in the battleground state of North Carolina.

In a focus group of 21 voters from around Charlotte conducted by McClatchy and the Charlotte Observer, four who were up for grabs before the debate moved away from her by the end.

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For the four who emerged less impressed by Clinton, it was the seeming familiarity of her proposals for the economy and national security that was a turnoff.

Roberts, who is unaffiliated with a party, wrote in her notes several times during the debate that Clinton offered "pie in the sky" ideas. By debate’s end, she had moved from leaning toward Clinton to undecided.

"The things she says she’s going to do, there’s no substance behind it," Roberts said.

And in a bar in Youngston, Pennsylvania...

Letosky entered the evening undecided in a town that is heavily Democratic in registration. Her sister and father are on opposite sides of the political aisle. Donald “Trump had the upper hand this evening,” she said, citing his command of the back-and-forth between him and Hillary Clinton.

Reed, 35, is a registered Democrat and small businessman. “By the end of the debate, Clinton never said a thing to persuade me that she had anything to offer me or my family or my community,” he said, sitting at the same bar that has boasted local icons as regulars, such as the late Fred Rogers, and Arnold Palmer, who had his own stash of PM Whiskey hidden behind newer bottles of whiskey for his regular visits.

"Have to say Trump had the edge this evening, he came out swinging but also talked about specifics on jobs and the economy," Reed said.

Reed said Clinton came across as either smug or as though she was reading her résumé, adding there was nothing on her resume that touched on his life.

One thing that has impressed me more and more over the past two years is how powerful the left is in colonizing the thoughts of all citizens -- including commentators on the right.

Andrew Breitbart used to say -- he said this the first time I met him -- that the left creates a "Matrix," as in the movie, a prison of illusion and reality distortion. When you are in the Matrix, he said excitedly, you can't see the Matrix itself.

Many commentators on the right -- I included -- are thoroughly colonized by leftist memes. How could we not be? We are constantly mesmerized by them, a thousand cult chants a day whispering at us from our electric soma boxes.

Many are looking at Hillary Clinton's answers and saying "She won on points."

Did she?

Because what did she really say? On national security and ISIS, she offered the novel thought that we must work more closely with our allies.

Really. You don't say? I'm glad someone had the guts to finally say it.

Now, those whose brains are colonized by leftist viral memes will call that a "good answer." It's the accepted Conventional Wisdom answer of the Davoisie and the Davoisie wannabes.

But is it a good answer?

Or is it just insect-talk? (Insect talk being my own word for something so trivial and brainless it doesn't even rise to the level of small-talk.)

Clinton said a lot of crap like this last night -- she said that to improve race relations, we needed to build more trust in the community in police, and more trust in police in the community.

Um, that is not an answer. That is simply a way of re-stating the problem. Her husband used to do this a lot. How do we improve education? Why I have a five-point plan. (Ticking off points on each finger.) One, improve the curriculum. Two, improve the administration. Three, improve teacher-school relations. Four, encourage children to learn. Five (now put up the thumb in a big thumb's up like Fonzie) improve education.

Um, you didn't say how we were going to improve education. You simply broke the problem into several sub-problems and said we have to solve each of the sub-problems.

We know that. And we also knew all of the sub-problems associated with the main problem of improving education.

You said exactly nothing, but took three minutes to say it.

Yet people were always impressed by this -- at least among the chattering classes -- and praised Clinton for being soooo detailed.

Hillary tried this last night with her various bubble-headed Unsweet Nothings responses.

She's not as good as it as her husband.

People have heard all these non-responsive no-answer evasions before, and I don't think they're more impressed with them on the umpteenth repetition.

I think that our current politics has been organized around the central concept of Emptiness for a long time, and I think maybe this year, a year of rejectionism, is the year when people begin to see through the Emptiness.

So I would just suggest to the Chattering Classes and the Twitterati:

Are you really judging what she said, or are you simply regurgitating the Conventional Wisdom as to what is credited as counting as an "informed answer" in these moronic affairs?

Because people less colonized by parasitic, invasive leftist memes might have seen this show differently than you did.

Just because you know the Matrix exists does not mean you can see the Matrix.

To see the Matrix, you actually have to escape the Matrix.

You have to purge the Matrix from your brain.

Posted by: Ace at 12:38 PM




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1 hello

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 12:39 PM (oGNNA)

2 Thanks, ace. We were being pretty uncooperative with your attempt to introduce non-debate topics. This will keep us going for a while.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 12:39 PM (oGNNA)

3 Many are looking at Hillary Clinton's answers and saying "She won on points."

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Ace, as I said last thread, she probably did win on points. Narrowly. But that is why she lost. In a conventional election season - she would have won. This is anything but that. Winning on points is not the goal.

Posted by: SH at September 27, 2016 12:40 PM (gmeXX)

4 What kind of drugs was she on last night?? That stupid clueless smile, the endless blinking, blank look on her face, looked like she needed a nap!!! She was really tripping man !!!!!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 27, 2016 12:42 PM (NuElX)

5
Reed said Clinton came across as either smug or as though she was reading her resume
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And there's no cure for that.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 12:42 PM (oGNNA)

6 I've been out of the matrix for awhile. And looking in, I see so much propaganda, so much at work against any kind of conservative thought, that it is scary. All the bees buzzing around their Queen. I'm ready to take a bat to the hive.

Posted by: dixiegal88 at September 27, 2016 12:42 PM (n9Dq9)

7 I feel better today than I did last night.

Posted by: deplorablejewells45 at September 27, 2016 12:43 PM (zRZaJ)

8 To see the Matrix, you actually have to escape the Matrix.

Posted by: Ace at 12:38 PM

And one of the ways you do that is by saying bye bye to TV.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 27, 2016 12:43 PM (Idu2i)

9 "Reed said Clinton came across as either smug or as though she was
reading her résumé, adding there was nothing on her resume that touched
on his life."


Hillary = Tracy Flick
Did you root for Tracy Flick in the movie?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2016 12:43 PM (NOIQH)

10 Center-right commentators need to internalize a simple test....

"if my actions sound like Vox am I helping or hurting the fight against collectivism?"


Posted by: sven10077 at September 27, 2016 12:43 PM (SzZnW)

11 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Did we make our point?

Posted by: The Chattering Classes at September 27, 2016 12:43 PM (Tyii7)

12 I thought Trump did a great job pointing Hillary as the status quo. You have been there 30 years. If you had the solutions all along, why are you just now bringing them up.

Trump was not great - I don't think he is a great debater. And Hillary did perform better than I thought.

But still - I'd give Trump the win.

Posted by: SH at September 27, 2016 12:43 PM (gmeXX)

13 Debates are mostly fans of each candidate watching a game, and cheering the "points" scored which their favorite celebrity-analyst will highlight in videos sent across social media

As far as swaying voters, it accomplishes little.

Does a Yankee fan become a Red Sox fan because the Red Sox won the game?

Posted by: kbdabear at September 27, 2016 12:44 PM (Ya7zs)

14 Yes, and to do that, you have to take the red pill.

Posted by: ZW at September 27, 2016 12:44 PM (KpJNr)

15 Clinton is a cipher, an empty Pant Suit.
She never really says much that makes an impact.
A quintessential apparatchik.
People see this.
It comes down to whether this will sell.
I personally think not, this cycle.

Posted by: tubal at September 27, 2016 12:44 PM (d6TTt)

16 That is pretty deep, Ace. And accurate; its a discourse about the problem instead of offering an actual solution.

Posted by: IC at September 27, 2016 12:44 PM (a0IVu)

17 Trump is a salesman and he knows that sales are made on an emotional level, not an intellectual one. On issues, his debates suck and will suck now and evermore. But on an emotional level I think he's doing better than we think with the swing votes - which is where all the action is. The base is set, the ceiling is set, it's who can pull the most from the fence sitters. Trump appeals to gut, to emotion.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 27, 2016 12:44 PM (QVVXM)

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On national security and ISIS, she offered the novel thought that we must work more closely with our allies.
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Good God. And did she say Americans, personally and individually, need to be nicer?

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 12:45 PM (oGNNA)

19
I mentioned this on a previous thread. Scott Adams was on a Chicago radio station this morning and said (paraphrasing) the Beast won the debate in the classic scoring of a debate. But Trump won because he didn't come across like the media has portrayed him. In a couple of days people will forget what was said and just be left with their impression of the debate. Trump won on the impression he left.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 27, 2016 12:45 PM (493sH)

20 8 Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 27, 2016 12:43 PM (Idu2i)

and embrace a willingness to call out hive members (like NRO) on their bullshit...

if the liberal wing of the GOP is correct then we need to pass them by and go straight to "donkey" correct?

A choice not an echo.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 27, 2016 12:45 PM (SzZnW)

21 Are you really judging what she said, or are you simply regurgitating the Conventional Wisdom as to what is credited as counting as an "informed answer" in these moronic affairs?

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Virtue Signaling.

Their comments are nothing more than approval seeking of their peers.

And.... it happens on sides.



I think a good analogy for the debate is two battleships sailed past each other, fired broadsides, dented each others hulls abit..... and sailed on.

Each side got their shots, each side took hits, nobody got sunk, and the "crews" cheered the hits that were made.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 27, 2016 12:45 PM (8XRCm)

22 As far as swaying voters, it accomplishes little.

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That may be true, and if it was true for last night, that means Trump won. Because what it did not do was paint Trump as completely unreasonable to be president.

Posted by: SH at September 27, 2016 12:45 PM (gmeXX)

23 Look, we all expected her to fall flat on her face (literally). That didn't happen and I among many, was disappointed. Trump didn't step on his dick so it was a decent night.

Posted by: deplorablejewells45 at September 27, 2016 12:45 PM (zRZaJ)

24 "Hank Federal"? Is this an actor in an Old West porno?

Posted by: josephistan at September 27, 2016 12:45 PM (7HtZB)

25 18 Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 12:45 PM (oGNNA)

Yes our lack of manners is why Radical Muslims kill...

ask Isis.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 27, 2016 12:46 PM (SzZnW)

26 Most of the people "scoring" the election are political junkies that made up their mind a long time ago (me included)

But the real object of a debate is to get people to vote for you. So maybe Trump winging it looked more authentic to the voters that matter?

Here's to hoping, but I still would have preferred a knockout punch as I think Hillary is already in a bad place and could have possibly been put down for good.

Posted by: Maritime at September 27, 2016 12:46 PM (2JFSt)

27 Isn't this what a lot of us have been saying proven here? The more you see of Hillary the less you like her.

Also go and watch her when Trump talks about his temperament. She has this "smile" on her face that is just frozen on there. And it looks like she was sprayed with Joker Gas.

Posted by: buzzion at September 27, 2016 12:46 PM (bMG0w)

28 Look at all those WORDS
I may have to upgrade from the soiled toilet paper membership

Posted by: Navycopjoe at September 27, 2016 12:46 PM (s+qMR)

29 They both suck--deal with it.

This might be the time when the VP debate really matters.

Anyways--you get to *see* the collapse of the republic and it's going faster than Ace on Twitter.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at September 27, 2016 12:46 PM (fi5nC)

30 The Baltimore Gazette is reporting that Hillary received the debate questions a week before the debate.

A lot of people were wondering why she seemed so rehearsed, with specific facts ready to recite in response to the questions. That would explain it.

http://baltimoregazette.com/clinton-received-debate-questions-week-debate/

These bastards are nothing if not cheats and frauds.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 27, 2016 12:46 PM (4rh2D)

31 I like that - the Matrix.

Here's the Matrix I saw:

-- Hillary's team, MSM and social media made it ALL about the fact-checking
--Hillary prepared her answers (yeah, she got the questions in advance) to be brimming with stats and facts (dates, names, etc.).
--Hillary pressured networks to real-time "fact-check" just hours before the debate
--I suspect her team then deliverd her prepared facts to the networks to help them fact-check (like: here's a handout on Trump's business dealings)

It was a fact-check Matrix she set up, so Hillary "won" the debate on this.


Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2016 12:46 PM (NOIQH)

32 I would not trust anything said by McClatchy. They took over out small town paper which was pretty conservative and turned it into a Democrat Rag PR crapfest. I cancelled my subscription.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 27, 2016 12:46 PM (mpXpK)

33 It left Michael Moore crying in his double-brownie, Reeces Pieces/Oreo cookie Blizzard. So I'll call it a win.

Posted by: washrivergal madly and deeply deplorable at September 27, 2016 12:47 PM (CFc5L)

34 " I thought Trump did a great job pointing Hillary as the status quo. You have been there 30 years. If you had the solutions all along, why are you just now bringing them up."




I also thought this was probably the strongest idea he expressed and the one undecided voters will remember most.

Posted by: Maritime at September 27, 2016 12:47 PM (2JFSt)

35 The Baltimore Gazette is reporting that Hillary received the debate questions a week before the debate.


*shocked face*

Posted by: The Chattering Classes at September 27, 2016 12:47 PM (Tyii7)

36 and embrace a willingness to call out hive members (like NRO) on their bullshit...

if the liberal wing of the GOP is correct then we need to pass them by and go straight to "donkey" correct?

A choice not an echo.


Posted by: sven10077 at September 27, 2016 12:45 PM (SzZnW)

Agreed.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 27, 2016 12:47 PM (Idu2i)

37 Eh, I'm like a bad NASCAR fan. (Or my conception of one, as I'm no kind of NASCAR fan).

I wanted to see horrifying fiery accidents last night.

All I got was Hillary mouthing platitudes and Trump not swinging at hanging curves.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 27, 2016 12:47 PM (mgbwf)

38 and BTW, after looking at the internals of the last poll for NC I have come to the conclusion that unless something happens between now and Nov Clinton is going to get her ass kicked in NC.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 27, 2016 12:47 PM (mpXpK)

39
She has this "smile" on her face that is just frozen on there.
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I think this is her way of appearing relaxed and likable.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 12:48 PM (oGNNA)

40 When do we start talking about preference cascades?

Posted by: JackT at September 27, 2016 12:48 PM (rmiqk)

41 Repost from this morning on point:

Scott Adams was spot on with the debate. Trump lost the battle but won the war

I'd add that both Trump and Hillary accomplished their Job #1. Hillary didn't fall down and Trump wasn't a bufoon. Neither gained or lost core voters

Minority view is held by Newt G, Mika B, Scott Adams and me. Trump will gain more with undecideds

Breitbart poll fits with what I wrote above. More people thought Hillary won the debate. But Trump was + 2% with undecideds

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Trump's mission #1 in the first debate was to not look scary. Schlonging her was inconsistent with this. Expect he'll do it in the third debate.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 12:48 PM (r1fLd)

42 Her job was to knock him out. She gets an F.
His job was to appear presidential and in control. He gets a C.
Holts job was to moderate. He gets a D-.

Trump will crush her in the next round.
He will carry 41 states.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at September 27, 2016 12:48 PM (r65B3)

43 The alt right types at Zero Hedge have an article entitled Hillary vs. Donald: Who Won?

They have six polls up, and Trump won every one of them.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 27, 2016 12:48 PM (tvyXw)

44 A Time (not exactly fringe right-wing) poll, earlier this morning had Trump winning the debate.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at September 27, 2016 12:48 PM (4ng05)

45 Trump was passionate about the problems in this country and finding new ways to solve them.

Hillary was passionate about attacking Trump.

Which do YOU think appeals to the mushy middle?

Posted by: Rat a tat at at September 27, 2016 12:49 PM (XPk5v)

46 Just had a discussion with a lefty friend who can't believe Trump's handling of "the Cyber" last night didn't doom his candidacy. We was more than taken aback when I said DJT's rambling on this issue didn't matter since (a) most Americans don't care about or even know what cybersecurity is and (b) a significant number of those who do understand the issue can never trust HRC on the issue because of the bathroom server. But that's the truth.

However much I dislike DJT, he understands people and how to connect with them on the issues they care about. And that's why he may well win this election.

Posted by: Bru at September 27, 2016 12:49 PM (dyGW3)

47 I took both the blue pill and the red pill because I could not decide which one to take.

It really Fuchsia'd me up.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at September 27, 2016 12:49 PM (cCxiu)

48 One time a thing occurred to me
What's real and what's for sale?
Blew a kiss and tried to take it home

Isn't you, isn't me
Search for things that you can't see
Going blind, out of reach
Somewhere in the vasoline



Posted by: Danube River Guide at September 27, 2016 12:49 PM (fi5nC)

49 Look, we all expected her to fall flat on her face (literally). That didn't happen and I among many, was disappointed. Trump didn't step on his dick so it was a decent night.
Posted by deplorablejewells45

He did fine as far as I'm concerned, in the Clinton/Holt -Trump ("Debate").
Remains to be seen if America opts for the Apparatchik.

Posted by: tubal at September 27, 2016 12:49 PM (d6TTt)

50 I love the word "surprise" in the headline.

It's like Bad Teacher saying, "I went over this and over this and even gave you the questions! And you come into the test and blow it! What's wrong with you?"

Posted by: PJ at September 27, 2016 12:49 PM (cHuNI)

51 My theory on this election was that if you could get all the Romney Republicans to pull the handle for Trump, he would win.

The new voters Trump would bring in plus the lower turnout for Hillary would make it a win.

I have to think anyone with Republican-ish instincts saw Lester Holt and got pissed and saw Hillary's smug bitchiness and also said "fine, I'm voting Trump".

Posted by: Maritime at September 27, 2016 12:49 PM (2JFSt)

52 >>" I thought Trump did a great job pointing Hillary as the status quo.
You have been there 30 years. If you had the solutions all along, why
are you just now bringing them up."



Agreed. That was devastating, and I would think that's the sort of question that lingers. Just like his "What have you got to lose?" to the black community.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2016 12:49 PM (NOIQH)

53
I have always been a heretic.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 27, 2016 12:50 PM (uvzBK)

54 And Scankles' statements on race are pure unadulterated pandering because her internals are telling them that they will NOT get the black turnout that Obama got, and that is a MUST have for her in States like NC that have a large black population. And even Obama lost NC last time.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 27, 2016 12:50 PM (mpXpK)

55 I also thought this was probably the strongest idea he expressed and the one undecided voters will remember most.

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Shockingly, I don't like much of what Trump says. But I do admit, I thought he was very good on inner city blacks and how the Democrats have harmed them. It wasn't the most eloquent, but I thought it was the most heartfelt. I wish it got more traction because it is a very important topic.

Posted by: SH at September 27, 2016 12:50 PM (gmeXX)

56 We will know who won in a few days to a week. By then the actual voters will have weighed in and the spin will begin to dissipate.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsors The Hillary Whisperer! at September 27, 2016 12:50 PM (hLRSq)

57 Um, that is not an answer. That is simply a way of re-stating the problem. Her husband used to do this a lot. How do we improve education? Why I have a five-point plan. (Ticking off points on each finger.)


Oh sheesh, I'd forgotten how annoying that is.

Don't forget the lip bite in the middle of it.


More anecdata on yard signs. I did a bit of driving around one of the slightly hipster neighborhoods in town at lunch and saw one Clinton sign, no Trump signs and no local/state wide race signs.

I did nearly steal someone's yard sign though. Skywalker 2016. You're Our Only Hope.

Posted by: alexthechick - unskewed at September 27, 2016 12:50 PM (mf5HN)

58 What was with the smirky, Hillary "smile"? Undecideds hate that look. She was playing to her base, not to those who were still pondering their choice. Never saw Trump smirk, although the cameras were apparently hoping for that.

Posted by: ever at September 27, 2016 12:50 PM (kronK)

59 I feel like trying to interpret who won the debate is sort of a political Rorschach test. The prognostications tell more about the person making the statement than they do about the debate itself.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 27, 2016 12:50 PM (KUaJL)

60 This is a great description of what NRx describes as the "Cathedral"

Posted by: Saradin at September 27, 2016 12:50 PM (Y4PY+)

61 FYI -the Baltimore Gazette isn't a real news source.

Posted by: Bru at September 27, 2016 12:51 PM (dyGW3)

62 #1 I get some really weird behavior on the main page where it overwrites itself just below the top article. Anyone else getting that? Chrome on Win 10.

#2 Scott Adams. He says Trump lost debate and won race. His punditry this cycle has been beating every other pundit, ever, like they owe him money.

#3 In the first primary debate I watched Trump and came away after with "I can't believe I just watched him totally flameout on live TV." Clearly I was wrong about the result of his performance. Last night with Hillary I was disappointed, expecting more Hulk smash. So much for what I think.

Posted by: blaster at September 27, 2016 12:51 PM (0+824)

63 Hillary actually helped Trump sell himself.

She brought up the attack memes they have been using against him - racist, sexist, etc, and he addressed each one like a salesman addressing the customer's objections to buying.
Some he addressed by cleverly agreeing and out doing her.

Hillary says blacks gun epidemic blah blah
Trump says I agree with you, black communities are in terrible shape, we need law & order and we need to keep guns out of the hands of bad guys which is why we need stop & cruel. And btw both the NRA & cops endorse me.
Which had Hillary trying to argue that no, black communities are doing great! How dare you sir!

So I'm wondering, regular black folk, did that sway them either way?

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 27, 2016 12:51 PM (Om16U)

64 Here is Illary's plan:

it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.


$20 trillion in debt? Pshaw. *waves hand* Moar taxes, and free kollidj for everyone.

Posted by: GnuBreed, powering through his deplorability at September 27, 2016 12:51 PM (gyKtp)

65 Also go and watch her when Trump talks about his temperament. She has this "smile" on her face that is just frozen on there. And it looks like she was sprayed with Joker Gas.

I was watching live, and that was super freaky. And not in the good way.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 27, 2016 12:51 PM (KUTP5)

66 RE: Scott Adams, I think it's OK that Trump lost the debate; he needed to prove a point. That point was "I'm not an arrogant @ss and I can be Presidential."

I think he did that.

Also...I have no doubt that he could rip Queen H a new one drunk with one arm tied behind his back. But he'd look like a bully.

Hillary garners sympathy.

So he kind of had to lose this, or at least "show restraint." He's a very physically imposing alpha male, and in this situation, that's against him. IMHO.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 27, 2016 12:51 PM (tvyXw)

67 So, does this mean Trump is morpheous?

Also, can this be the first Matrix, the other two blew so bad.

Posted by: Jollyroger at September 27, 2016 12:51 PM (t06LC)

68 Oh they had the #SheWon hashtag all wound up and the stories written days before the debate, this is just all part of a publicity machine. Then gullible and weak people go along with it to seem cool and part of the crowd.

The real winner in the debate? People who watched baseball instead.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2016 12:52 PM (39g3+)

69 cruel = frisk

Auto cucumber is pro 4th amendment, who knew?

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 27, 2016 12:52 PM (Om16U)

70 pretty sure the hq is not in the matrix. if the hq is in the matrix it is in the hood of the matrix.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 12:52 PM (cPsPa)

71 would not trust anything said by McClatchy. They took over out small town paper which was pretty conservative and turned it into a Democrat Rag PR crapfest. I cancelled my subscription.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 27, 2016 12:46 PM (mpXpK)

Hah!
Same here. They can shove their Proggie bullshit.

Posted by: tubal at September 27, 2016 12:52 PM (d6TTt)

72 FYI -the Baltimore Gazette isn't a real news source.

In this instance, the blind squirrel definitely found the nut.

Posted by: The Chattering Classes at September 27, 2016 12:52 PM (Tyii7)

73 Remember the Bush Gore debates? The media thought Gore was just soooo very ""Presidential" and all America saw was a douchebag.

Posted by: Ktgreat at September 27, 2016 12:52 PM (Bl4dy)

74 Does a Yankee fan become a Red Sox fan because the Red Sox won the game?
Posted by: kbdabear at September 27, 2016 12:44 PM (Ya7zs


No, but build an echo chamber big enough saying the Yankees are losers and will never win again and maybe you can sway a few people on the fence.

IMHO, snap reactions to the debate matter little other than showing a predisposition in a certain direction. What matters is the reverberation from the media echo chamber and how it will effect the thoughts of people who are still uncommitted.
There were about 20 opportunities for Trump to disrupt the echo chamber last night. He wiffed on 19.5. (I'll give him half credit for Solyndra.)

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 27, 2016 12:52 PM (dzmBR)

75

I've been trying to understand the contradictions of gun control in the Black Caucus.
What Black leader in his right mind wants only the police to have all the guns ?
I mean ... if the government has a monopoly on guns .. Blacks must be doomed.

Posted by: undocumented analysis at September 27, 2016 12:52 PM (e8kgV)

76 Other examples of the Matrix:

National health insurance. Not how much, or who gets it (the matrix view), just "what in your experience or knowledge leads you to believe that the government can manage your health care better than you? Canada, whose people come here to get surgery? The VA?"

Welfare. Now how much, or who gets it (the matrix view) just, How is life in the ghetto better by virtue of welfare than it was 60 years ago?

Posted by: PJ at September 27, 2016 12:52 PM (cHuNI)

77 All I got was Hillary mouthing platitudes and Trump not swinging at hanging curves.
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You know what else looks like a hanging curve? A worm dangling on a hook.

Perhaps Trump is shrewd enough to know those "curves" were left "dangling" for a reason... a reason that would harm him if he behaved predictably.

Posted by: Rat a tat at at September 27, 2016 12:53 PM (XPk5v)

78 it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

$20 trillion in debt? Pshaw. *waves hand* Moar taxes, and free kollidj for everyone.


Posted by: GnuBreed, powering through his deplorability at September 27, 2016 12:51 PM (gyKtp)

Best line in Macbeth. Now I'm waiting for the part where we are notified the queen is dead.

Posted by: Jollyroger at September 27, 2016 12:53 PM (t06LC)

79 Also go and watch her when Trump talks about his temperament. She has this "smile" on her face that is just frozen on there. And it looks like she was sprayed with Joker Gas.

I was watching live, and that was super freaky. And not in the good way.

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Will it be remembered like Gore's sighs or the SNL line "I can't believe I am losing to this guy."

She had an elite smugness about her that probably doesn't play nearly as well as she thinks.

Posted by: SH at September 27, 2016 12:53 PM (gmeXX)

80 Trump won the battle. The deck was stacked against him with the Hillary-Lester tag team. The topics were framed for a gotcha moment that did not happen to Trump. Hell I've read comments and stories that it was obvious that Hillary was reading pre debate crib notes.

People rememrber more of what Trump said than what she said. People remember her being unlikable.

He still has plenty of ammo to use against her if and when he chooses (the ads I'm sure). She has nothing

The bias was so overt and obvious that it seems to have backfired and people hate and distrust the media and pundits even more.

LESTER HOLT WON THE DEBATE.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 27, 2016 12:53 PM (nF4Bw)

81 I'll reiterate the conversation I had with my 77yo LIV mother last night immediately after the debate. Caveats: Mom doesn't watch much tv any more. She might catch the local news 2-3 times a week. She voted straight (D), on the logic that "my mama was a Democrat and that's good enough for me" until Billy Jeff and the Blue Dress. She does still vote for some Dems. Mom's post-debate observations:


1) Hillary looked tired. Also looked "unstable" walking across the stage after the debate.

2) She felt, based on the way her answers were structured, that Hillary knew the questions beforehand.

3) She thought that trump "stood up to" Hillary "better than I thought he would".

4) She felt that Holt was "trying to run over" Trump but that Trump didn't let him.

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at September 27, 2016 12:53 PM (uiwCw)

82 Does a Yankee fan become a Red Sox fan because the Red Sox won the game?
Posted by: kbdabear at September 27, 2016 12:44 PM (Ya7zs



well no, but the reverse happens all the time.



happens all the time, fair weather fans. in geopolitics it is the french and whoever is conquering them this week.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 12:54 PM (cPsPa)

83 And of course there is Don Quixote... I mean, Bill Kristol, (did I say Don Quixote? I meant Bill Kristol) obviously, whose crusade to save Republicanism by electing Hillary (Yeah. I haven't managed to connect those dots yet either.) whose wide reach outside of the D.C. establishment must be factored in. (One does not simply ignore twelve people).

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at September 27, 2016 12:54 PM (4ng05)

84
But is it a good answer?


Or is it just insect-talk? (Insect talk being my own word for
something so trivial and brainless it doesn't even rise to the level of
small-talk.)
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The problem with this is that if you really hold the debates to this standard, both candidates will fail again and again. The debates really aren't a vehicle for policy specifics.
The best you can hope in terms of "substance" are answers which clarify a candidate's political philosophy and give clues and insights as to how a candidate would approach a problem once in the White House.
But its usually "insect talk" from both sides.
Right wing commentators and political junkies (and I'll include myself in this number) have grown inured to the election process. We tell a "good answer" from a "bad answer" by the damage that we think its going to cause our preferred candidate, or our opposing candidate. In this, we have grown used to factor in left-wing media bias -- because we quite simply have to.
The debates are usually postured as one of the few times a GOP candidate can actually get his message out to the American people directly. They are a precious opportunity to say what it is that they need to say, and to launch attacks against the Democrat that the media simply won't do otherwise.
I think that's why so many of us cringed at Trump's missed opportunities.
Now -- most people are not political junkies, and they seem to apply a vague, amorphous standard of personal feelings when they evaluate a candidate. Things like "was the Republican mean to the lady-Democrat?" or "wow, that candidate looks tall and commanding! I'll vote for him!" These are the undecideds, and (like most) I have no idea what it is that will ultimately motivate their votes.
My bet is that there is an underlying, liquid feeling that something needs to change permeating the zeitgeist. And, perhaps, Trump's off-the-cuff manner of speaking feeds into the public's desire for authenticity.
If that moves votes, its not about the substance of the answers really -- they can be "insect-talk," so long as the people pick it up as authentic "insect-talk."

Posted by: Revenant at September 27, 2016 12:54 PM (3DSAh)

85 Trump did well talking about the economy, while she simply spouted to same stale marxist, class warfare rhetoric as always. Stale.

Posted by: real joe at September 27, 2016 12:54 PM (2gGwJ)

86
35 The Baltimore Gazette is reporting that Hillary received the debate questions a week before the debate.

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How reliable is the Baltimore Gazette? Just curious.

Anyway, I don't think she needed debate questions. It would be easy to anticipate the topics and memorize a couple dozen 2-minute speeches.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 12:54 PM (oGNNA)

87 she said that to improve race relations, we needed to build more trust in the community in police, and more trust in police in the community.

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I thought Trumped missed an opportunity in his response to this nonsense of Hill's. He should have repeated to the black community that Hillz is OK with the battlezone that is inner city crime. Hillz will always support the most radical Black Lives Matter and Blue Lives Don't activists. And if that means more drive bys in Chicago and B-More, so be it. If your children and grandchildren have to die for the cause, so be it. If your school yards remain battlegrounds, so be it. Because honest, law abiding black lives don't matter to Hillz.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at September 27, 2016 12:54 PM (sbEHC)

88 That has been my point this morning. Does it really matter what I think about the debate last night? or an ardent Hillary supporter? No.

The thing that mattered was the undecideds or the leaners. And on that point, I think Trump won over more people than Hillary. The biggest memory I have of last night? Hillary's disturbed smile.

There was a moment when Trump said something about her being unfit to lead or something similar, and there was her creepy, fake smile. My stepson (adult) cracked up at that, and then mimicked her scary smile. To him, that moment said everything about Hillary. It was not a winning moment for her.

Who wants that kind of person as president?

So, Trump did fine. He may not have hit it out of the park, but as several noted online, Clinton used up all of her ammo last night: tax returns, negative woman comments, bankruptcies, temperament, and racism/birther.

Trump hardly even went to the pile of stuff he can use against her. So he's going to have a lot more to throw at her in the next two debates. She only has the same stuff.

Therefore, expect better performances from Trump in the next 2 debates.

Posted by: K-E at September 27, 2016 12:54 PM (J23oQ)

89 Hillary's job last night was to make Trump look unacceptable as POTUS. She failed. So, that makes it a Trump win. It doesn't really matter what they talked about or who said what - it's all jibber-jabber anyway.

Also, Hillary was clearly doped up. She could barely keep her eyelids open. She had a very dry mouth and she spoke very slowly - Zanax will do that to you.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at September 27, 2016 12:54 PM (VjPX+)

90 I got the impression Breitbart read a lot from NRx's founder Moldbug, too.

But instead of Moldbug's solution, which was just to give up and start over, Breitbart wondered if he could use the Left's institutions ("Cathedral") against it.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 27, 2016 12:55 PM (OALP1)

91 Clearly I was wrong about the result of his performance. Last night with Hillary I was disappointed, expecting more Hulk smash. So much for what I think.


Can't Hulk smash. Not yet. Loses too much with vag voters for beating up on vag candidate.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 12:55 PM (ApT0U)

92 Every time I tap out something hopeful I end up calling myself a dumbass and just refresh the page. We ain't voting our way out of this shit.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at September 27, 2016 12:55 PM (cvOQ2)

93 >>FYI -the Baltimore Gazette isn't a real news source.

Yeah, that story is lacking in specifics.

However, I have no doubt Hillary got the questions in advance. Just look at the leaked emails between DWS and MSNBC. They are on the same team; the network functions as an arm of the Democrat party.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2016 12:55 PM (NOIQH)

94 She has this "smile" on her face that is just frozen on there. And it looks like she was sprayed with Joker Gas.

Posted by: buzzion at September 27, 2016 12:46 PM (bMG0w)




That plastic smile and bouncing eyes she looks like a ventriloquist dummy

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 27, 2016 12:55 PM (493sH)

95 Eh. It seemed pretty clear to me that Hillary would win for her supporters with anything short of a faceplant on the stairs up to the podium and the Donald would win for his supporters with anything better than a full-tilt spittle-flecked rant on the incompetence of the whores in Vegas. So both won in the hearts of their supporters.

tl;dr: The bar was microscopically low for both of them and they both managed to clear it.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at September 27, 2016 12:56 PM (RD7QR)

96 in geopolitics it is the french and whoever is conquering them this week.


I'm exhausted. Isn't it England's turn anyway?

Posted by: Germany at September 27, 2016 12:56 PM (mgbwf)

97
Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at September 27, 2016 12:53 PM (uiwCw)

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That's very helpful, thanks. yankeefifth (name?) was looking for that kind of anecdata last night.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 12:56 PM (oGNNA)

98 Thanks Ace, this post helps me a lot. Breitbart's Matrix encapsulates what I've noticed but couldn't express. At some point *conservative/right leaning* pundits and politicians began to accept the premise of statist arguments which has led to the split we're seeing now. "I reject your premise" needs to become a mantra when faced with false accusations of racism, etc. instead of debating details because the statists aren't arguing in good faith anyway.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 27, 2016 12:56 PM (GDulk)

99 One thing to keep in mind is that the MSM, the professional politicians and the punditry have a very low opinion of the American masses.

Maybe their opinion is justified, maybe not. Maybe we really are a Kardashian nation.

But the upshot of that opinion is that they assume people are too stupid or distracted to actually focus on the substance of what the candidates are saying in a debate, but more on style, on manner, on presentation, etc.

On the substance, Trump skewered her on jobs and trade agreements early on.

People on the right are frustrated that he didn't continue to skewer her the entire night. But after the beginning, Lester Holt had Trump on the defensive for most of the night by controlling the agenda for the discussion. (Who is Lester Holt that he should have the power to control what presidential candidates in a national debate should be allowed to discuss?)

Yes, Trump should have done better changing the subject to something else upon beginning his answer. Perhaps he naively assumed that Holt would eventually get around to asking Hillary about the pay-to-play allegations and her lies surrounding the email scandal and other matters.

But even on the defensive, and choosing to answer the silly questions that were asked, on the substance, Trump came away fine.

It must have occurred to many people who were listening on substance that picking at his tax audit, the question of whether Obama should have been shamed into revealing his supposed birth certificate, a 1972 housing litigation and supposed fat-shaming of a beauty contest winner, etc. etc. were an attempt by Holt and Hillary to distract people from important matters by focusing on trivialities.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 27, 2016 12:56 PM (fgOnp)

100 As far as swaying voters, it accomplishes little.

Does a Yankee fan become a Red Sox fan because the Red Sox won the game?
Posted by: kbdabear at September 27, 2016 12:44 PM (Ya7zs)

I think for certain undecideds it does. So while Hillary/Holt nailed it for their base, Trump appealed to the undecideds by not being the bogeyman the Left has been screeching about.

I saw both of those articles and found it pretty interesting and honestly unexpected. A lot of people are seeing through the establishments lack of ideas.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at September 27, 2016 12:56 PM (Ee2nz)

101 My dad was pretty despondent about the debate this morning. I consoled him with a line from one of the commenters last night: 100 million people saw Hillary Clinton last night. That only hurts her campaign.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 27, 2016 12:57 PM (ODkrH)

102 The Clinton camp have one weapon they didn't use: Trump University. The proper way to run a university scam is to rip off the * government * , in Clintonworld.

That's probably our October Surprise...

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 27, 2016 12:57 PM (OALP1)

103
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 12:52 PM (cPsPa)


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Oh, you're here.

@97

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 12:57 PM (oGNNA)

104 Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2016 12:55 PM (NOIQH)

It's not like it was that hard to predict the questions.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 27, 2016 12:57 PM (dzmBR)

105 Posted by: PJ at September 27, 2016 12:52 PM

RE: The Matrix

I don't know if people want things to get better.

I think they want easy.

National healthcare sounds easy. Until Mom is put on the Liverpool Care Pathway.

Welfare is easy. Especially when babies= cash.

Many people don't like change, and I'm guessing about 50% of the nation personally do not like to make decisions. So they're OK when those decisions are taken away. That's why they love Uncle Sugar. Not decisions, no responsibility. Easy.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 27, 2016 12:57 PM (tvyXw)

106 Posted here from early 2016, when I was on the outs with AoSHQ management for saying that Trump could actually win (official position was that he had literally no chance):

"... given the skills the Ds have developed in hondling new media, as shown by this NYT piece, how can the Rs ever retake the White House?

Why we'd need a candidate with an outsized ego, big balls, and Mad Media Skillz, wouldn't we?"

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 12:57 PM (r1fLd)

107 I thought Trump did fine attacking Clinton's policies, just lost focus halfway through (what was all that Hannity talk?). Hillary mostly made personal attacks all night, trying to smear Trump, avoiding policy discussions, calling him a racist and sexist repeatedly. She really got down in the mud, looking smug and superior while doing it. Not impressive.

Posted by: waelse1 at September 27, 2016 12:57 PM (t0oo5)

108 trump's performance may have been so-so last night but hillary's was nothing spectacular.


there is reason to believe trump could improve on his performance in the subsequent debates but I think we have seen the best hillary has.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 12:58 PM (cPsPa)

109 Here's my quick assessment.

Hillary Clinton was onstage having to debate Donald Trump for the position she has coveted her whole life needing a strong debate performance to keep up.

That's a loss for Clinton.

Posted by: SH at September 27, 2016 12:58 PM (gmeXX)

110 "Okay, this is a little hackish, even for me, but I just don't buy the claims of the Twiddiots that Trump lost badly."


I remember right after the first debate in 2000, the chattering classes in the media all agreed that Gore wiped the floor with Bush because he gave the type of wonkish answers that they liked. After a few days, it came out non-media types found Bush to be likeable and Gore an annoying boor (just like the media).

Posted by: Benji Carver at September 27, 2016 12:58 PM (OD2ni)

111 Interesting. I watched the whole thing and I also thought Hillary "won on points". She was more glib and Trump tended to ramble.

Her constant smirking made me want to smack my monitor off the desk, though.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 27, 2016 12:58 PM (zoehZ)

112 >>She has this "smile" on her face that is just frozen on there. And it looks like she was sprayed with Joker Gas.


Yes, the smile was freaky and fake. Not sure what the strategy was with that, but it didn't make her look warm or relaxed.
More like Dolores Umbridge.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2016 12:58 PM (NOIQH)

113 65 Also go and watch her when Trump talks about his temperament. She has this "smile" on her face that is just frozen on there. And it looks like she was sprayed with Joker Gas.

I was watching live, and that was super freaky. And not in the good way.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 27, 2016 12:51 PM (KUTP5)


Someone needs to take a still of that and add "The Joker got her" text.

It just does not look like a natural smile.

Posted by: buzzion at September 27, 2016 12:58 PM (bMG0w)

114 And what the hell is that box and wires running up her back under her clothing? One of those things that keeps dogs from barking? An anti-theft device? A GPS locator for when she wanders off the reservation? Playstation 4 console?


Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at September 27, 2016 12:58 PM (4ng05)

115 The whole thing reminds me of a quote from Joe Perry that if he were that much of an artist or musician, he'd be playing coffee houses in Cambridge. But he plays rock and roll. Arena rock.

You win the election, you won the debate.

Posted by: Michael at September 27, 2016 12:58 PM (KClXw)

116 You know the more I think about it the more I think Giuliani is right, Trump should skip the next two debates, I don't think it hurts him at all. He should just announce that he's not playing by their rules anymore and hold a huge rally or town hall.

Posted by: spypeach at September 27, 2016 12:59 PM (nyYhO)

117 The young men of PA, MI, OH, and NC, well they are the ones who serve in her awful wasteful wars. They have met our "allies".


Her spiel only fools people who dont know

Posted by: ThunderB at September 27, 2016 12:59 PM (BkJzF)

118 It's not like it was that hard to predict the questions.

Would you deny that it makes the going a hell of a lot easier?

Posted by: The Chattering Classes at September 27, 2016 12:59 PM (Tyii7)

119 She has this "smile" on her face that is just frozen on there. And it looks like she was sprayed with Joker Gas.

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Just our luck. We get the Joker instead of Harley Quinn.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at September 27, 2016 12:59 PM (sbEHC)

120 Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at September 27, 2016 12:53 PM (uiwCw)


Just remembered another remark she made:


5) Mom said that she thinks Hillary is having a hard time remembering what she's going to say, because she seemed to be pausing a great deal during her responses.

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at September 27, 2016 12:59 PM (uiwCw)

121 Hillary didn't win on merit or substance so much as she won on tactics. She made Trump defend every lousy character attribute he has, while she had to defend almost none of her own. And he defended himself inartfully. Don't say "no admission of guilt" about the DOJ discrimination suit, say "no finding of guilt", as just one example. And having to defend all his worst traits for 60 minutes, while he barely poked back at all despite having ample opportunities and many glaring flaws of her own to draw attention towards, made it a blowout. Despite doing well early, Luntz's group had it 16-6 HRC at the end. Trump almost bested her on an exchange near the end, stealing her thunder, then she came back with the Miss Housekeeping line for a surprise reversal and won there too. He is lazy, unprepared, and shows no signs of any willingness to work and improve.

Posted by: cjw at September 27, 2016 12:59 PM (onydf)

122 It was amusing to hear Shrillary say that she was going to help the middle class by making an investment in the middle class. Well, ok then, there you go, problem solved.

Talk about a non-answer.

Posted by: Deplorable McIrredeemableface at September 27, 2016 12:59 PM (xujbM)

123 Hillary is that fish you look at in the seafood case. Emanating that smell. That tells you she's old, and stale. Past her sell- by date.
A marked down Obama.

Posted by: tubal at September 27, 2016 12:59 PM (d6TTt)

124 It's not that Trump did so badly it's that he missed layup after layup after layup and then missed a couple free-throws.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 27, 2016 01:00 PM (UBzPO)

125
Hillary Quinn.


**snort**

Posted by: fixerupper at September 27, 2016 01:00 PM (8XRCm)

126
Yet people were always impressed by this -- at least among the chattering classes -- and praised Clinton for being soooo detailed.


Hillary tried this last night with her various bubble-headed Unsweet Nothings responses.

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This is why Trump will win. (NB, I've never said that before, not that you care.)


Because he cut her off and said, "That's a politician answer, all talk, never doing anything about it."
It was also why he said, "You've been here 30 years and you're just now thinking about this?"


He's setting the narrative even before the media knows he's setting the narrative.

She's offering more of the same, the same canned answers, the same nice-sounding responses, and the same lack of action.
He's a man of action--he gets things done.
Hillary hasn't gotten thing done; and he pointed that out at the end--you can't name one good deal, one good result of her time at SoS.


Remember how he shut Mr. Sweet Nothings Rubio flat the F down in the debates?
"all you have is canned answers, the same answer to every question."



Yeah, Hillary: You're next.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 27, 2016 01:00 PM (e2Rx3)

127 Will it be remembered like Gore's sighs or the SNL line "I can't believe I am losing to this guy."

She had an elite smugness about her that probably doesn't play nearly as well as she thinks.
Posted by: SH at September 27, 2016 12:53 PM (gmeXX)


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I've been watching excerpts from last night, and yes, her painted-on rictus smile IS the Gore sigh.

Posted by: Soona at September 27, 2016 01:00 PM (Fmupd)

128 . After a few days, it came out non-media types found Bush to be likeable and Gore an annoying boor (just like the media).

THIS.

Hillary: not likeable. at all.

Trump: can be charming when called to do so

It it style vs. substance? Maybe.

However, when the substance is coming from a criminal with communist leanings, I'll vote for style.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 27, 2016 01:00 PM (tvyXw)

129 Reese Witherspoon is adorable and was even more so back when she made Election. PICK FLICK!

Posted by: Pete in Texas at September 27, 2016 01:00 PM (58Azy)

130 What does this have to do with Alicia Machado?

Posted by: eleven at September 27, 2016 01:00 PM (qUNWi)

131 On the stage of an empty auditorium on the campus of Hofstra, Hillary!'s smirk hangs in the air.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 27, 2016 01:00 PM (ODkrH)

132 She has this "smile" on her face that is just frozen on there. And it looks like she was sprayed with Joker Gas.



Her Ben Wa balls just clicked.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 01:00 PM (ApT0U)

133 She looked smug and condescending

Posted by: ThunderB at September 27, 2016 01:01 PM (BkJzF)

134 Would you deny that it makes the going a hell of a lot easier?
Posted by: The Chattering Classes at September 27, 2016 12:59 PM (Tyii7)


This isn't a fucking calculus exam. There were no trick questions. so "a hell of a lot." Yes. I'd "deny" that.

A single person with 30 minutes of thought could have guessed every question Holt asked (to the extent he asked any in the first 30 minutes.)

A couple of people doing debate prep as a team would have come up with that and more.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 27, 2016 01:01 PM (dzmBR)

135
Ill bet she did well at all the Starbucks.

Posted by: M Magoo's at September 27, 2016 01:01 PM (BAqy2)

136
The Matrix was a good movie. Glad they didn't ruin it with crappy sequels.

Posted by: ArthurK at September 27, 2016 01:01 PM (h53OH)

137 Short version: I think Hillary won the wrong debate.

Longer version: Hillary, in all of her arrogance, truly believed that she could show up, stick to the script, be a professional politician and offer a display of serenity that would maintain the ship of state on its current course. I think from that point of view, she succeeded.

What she doesn't understand is that she wound up showing everyone exactly what they don't want any more of.

Trump is not polished. He's not refined. Him going off into the weeds repeatedly at the end had to have his wranglers backstage looking for a cane to yank him off. But of all the things I never expected to ever see happen, Donald freaking Trump became the avatar of the little guy, and he did it in person at Hofstra in front of millions.

As ace pointed out, Clinton is good at ticking off banalities in such a way it sounds like they're addressing a problem... right up to the point when Trump answers with ACTUAL specifics and you realize hey, everything the crazy lady said was misdirectional bullshit. Trump sounded pissed, he used his own business to give an example of his experience bringing projects in on time and under budget, and came across like he belonged on that stage.

Did he fail at debate points per the Harvard debate squad? Absolutely. That's the debate Hillary prepped for and won, but that's not at all what Donald did. He stood up there and gave voice to everyone who has ever been stepped on or ignored by the elites and government.

I find myself agreeing more and more with Scott Adams. Perception and persuasion are the drivers for this election. People the world over are pissed off and fed up with their governments - watch the 2nd attempt in Austria this fall - and they want something done after the last 8+ years of bullshit masquerading as policy. They know there are two rules of law - one for them and none for the elites. They saw this born out with Comey's abdication of his freaking job because Heaven forbid the FBI take down a sitting president (again).

I was never a Trump fan for a variety of reasons, but you best believe I'll crawl through molten lava to vote against Hillary. I don't think Trump is quite the wrecking ball I wanted him to be, but it's been too long since we had an Andrew Jackson in office so why not now. That's my two cents writ large.

Posted by: sans_sheriff at September 27, 2016 01:01 PM (Ssh+t)

138 "Trump missed so much low hanging fruit."

I would suggest that Ted Cruz would NOT have missed those big, juicy honeydews.

But Trump won so that doesn't matter. Lester Holt didn't explicitly ask Hillary about Benghazi or her server or anything else that would make her look bad. And that's Lester Holt's fault for being the DNC shill that everyone knows that he really is.

Also, the people repeating the fruit meme might be stuck in the Conservative portion of the progmatrix.

Posted by: Skunky Choom at September 27, 2016 01:02 PM (CbGSW)

139 Oh, I wouldn't say either Clinton is marked down. When you deal with them you will be paying full retail prices every time

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 27, 2016 01:02 PM (OALP1)

140 122 It was amusing to hear Shrillary say that she was going to help the middle class by making an investment in the middle class. Well, ok then, there you go, problem solved.

Talk about a non-answer.
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It's an even worse non-answer when you consider that "investment" is prog-speak for "more taxes."

So Hillary is going to "help" the over-taxed and over-regulated middle class by . . . raising taxes for more government programs to "help" the middle class.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 27, 2016 01:02 PM (4rh2D)

141 5) Mom said that she thinks Hillary is having a hard time remembering what she's going to say, because she seemed to be pausing a great deal during her responses.



Waiting for the answer to be fed to her via earpiece.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 01:02 PM (ApT0U)

142 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 27, 2016 12:50 PM (mpXpK)

She is stupidly trying to follow Obama's lead by name-calling ("Americans are lazy"). She did this first with the irredeemable, deplorable Trump followers, and then last night calling all Americans racists. She hates us all and lets it slip now and again. If she thinks this is a winning strategy it just shows her acute disdain and dumbassness.

Posted by: washrivergal madly and deeply deplorable at September 27, 2016 01:02 PM (CFc5L)

143 Guess you told us.

Posted by: The Chattering Classes at September 27, 2016 01:02 PM (Tyii7)

144 Remember the Bush Gore debates? The media thought Gore was just soooo very ""Presidential" and all America saw was a douchebag.

Posted by: Ktgreat at September 27, 2016 12:52 PM (Bl4dy)


The media saw what they wanted to see, not what the voters were looking for. Same with this one - the partisans had their biases confirmed, but they aren't the real audience.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsors The Hillary Whisperer! at September 27, 2016 01:03 PM (hLRSq)

145 >> It was also why he said, "You've been here 30
>> years and you're just now thinking about this?"

That was as close to a 'there you go again' line as Trump came up with for this one.

Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2016 01:03 PM (TppKb)

146 I would suggest that Ted Cruz would NOT have missed those big, juicy honeydews.


Cruz would have wiped the floor with her. But Cruz would be down -15 in the polls, so it wouldn't have mattered.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at September 27, 2016 01:03 PM (WlGX+)

147 The next debate, I believe, is town hall style. Trump will do very well in that setting. I think that is why he succeeded in the Matt Lauer event. When he gets questions from the audience and is responding to real people, he does well.

Hillary usually comes across as condescending and tends to make up a lot of crap on the fly that is obvious crap.

Posted by: K-E at September 27, 2016 01:03 PM (J23oQ)

148 On the stage of an empty auditorium on the campus of Hofstra, Hillary!'s smirk hangs in the air.


Damn...that was good.

Posted by: eleven at September 27, 2016 01:03 PM (qUNWi)

149 Just because you know the Matrix exists does not mean you can see the Matrix.

To see the Matrix, you actually have to escape the Matrix.

You have to purge the Matrix from your brain.


Agreed, and I have found that the best tool to help with this is something I like to call "Scotch."

Posted by: kjl291 at September 27, 2016 01:04 PM (oU29y)

150 What's funny about the "won on points" thing is, to the masses, it sounds like "won a moral victory."

Well, when my team "wins a moral victory" I sure as hell ain't pointing to the scoreboard.

Also:
Didn't a debate team win a debate some time back by repeatedly shouting the N word over and over?
Won on points, didn't they?

And: Trump has better teeth. Clean and white. Hillary's? Nasty and yellow, like grandma forgot to soak her dentures and don't care no more.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 27, 2016 01:04 PM (e2Rx3)

151 No less an authority than President Barack Hussein Obama declared that Hillary Clinton was the most qualified candidate for president since Thomas Jefferson. The Dem elites have spent years bragging about Hillary's credentials and certifications that placed her head and shoulders above anyone else in the Democrat Party, to the point where the DNC sabotaged any hope of a Bernie insurgency in order to place the nomination crown upon her perfectly coiffed mane.

Oh, they wanted Trump so badly to win the GOP nomination; they quivered with anticipation for ... total victory.

All of that going into the debate. And then she lost the center of the electorate and dismayed her loyal legions with a deluge of pablum and hubbub and desperate cries for "fact checkers".

Michael Moore watched and listened, and then, after finishing his last bag of Cheetos, reached for the keyboard ...

Posted by: mrp at September 27, 2016 01:04 PM (JBggj)

152 >>>there is reason to believe trump could improve on his performance in the subsequent debates but I think we have seen the best hillary has.


I agree with ace that we should expect Trump to get better. People pissing him off does seem to motivate him, and Hillary did her best to piss him off last night.

We saw throughout the campaign Trump start off shaky or unsure at things, like holding rallies, participating in debates, giving a teleprompter-style speech, and so forth and he got better at everything over time. Yes, he is full of himself, but he is fundamentally a smart guy who generally successfully masters the things he sets himself to.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 27, 2016 01:04 PM (fgOnp)

153
Although totally non-scientific, I like that both the Time and CNBC polls showed Trump winning by huge margins. It hurts their talking point "matrix".

Trump's team can now say "polls showed I kicked her ass".

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 27, 2016 01:04 PM (ODxAs)

154 I would suggest that Ted Cruz would NOT have missed those big, juicy honeydews.


Cruz would have wiped the floor with her. But Cruz would be down -15 in the polls, so it wouldn't have mattered.

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We don't need to have these arguments. Bottom line is any of the GOP candidates would be in about the same position. Hillary is a terrible candidate.

Posted by: SH at September 27, 2016 01:04 PM (gmeXX)

155 Posting a comment from the last thread by dynamofo:

I don't think Trump debates at all. I think he markets. He may answer a challenge but not with a logical counter factual. Instead he tries to set a hook. Last night it was "politician". He must have called her that 20 times. Who is worse than a politician? I think this is how he wins while seeming to lose.

Posted by: Typo dynamofo at September 27, 2016 12:51 PM (394Te)

Posted by: The media Suxs at September 27, 2016 01:05 PM (ZivuY)

156 148 On the stage of an empty auditorium on the campus of Hofstra, Hillary!'s smirk hangs in the air.


Damn...that was good.
Posted by: eleven at September 27, 2016 01:03 PM (qUNWi)

The Cheshire Queen.

Posted by: tubal at September 27, 2016 01:05 PM (d6TTt)

157 Hillary was clearly doped up.

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What I can't figure is how she managed to resync her eyeballs. Microimplants controlled by Bluetooth?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at September 27, 2016 01:05 PM (sbEHC)

158 You know the more I think about it the more I think Giuliani is right, Trump should skip the next two debates, I don't think it hurts him at all. He should just announce that he's not playing by their rules anymore and hold a huge rally or town hall.
Posted by: spypeach at September 27, 2016 12:59 PM (nyYhO)

****

I don't think so. The more Hillary is exposed to the public, the lower her polls go. I want her on national TV for 3-4 more hours

Posted by: GrampyB at September 27, 2016 01:05 PM (T/7Kv)

159 My takeaway from the debate is that Hillary called the whole country racist. Trump's campaign should run that clip in ads from now on with a caption: this woman thinks she is better than you.

Posted by: Decaf at September 27, 2016 01:05 PM (8zHLN)

160 I listened to the beginning of the debate in my car. As hopeful as I was, I wasn't feeling good about the way it was going. Didn't watch the rest.

I think I have to accept that, as much as I want him to win, Trump is not going to be the candidate I want him to be. I guess he is what he is. It's worked pretty well so far.

Posted by: CJ at September 27, 2016 01:06 PM (9KqcB)

161 Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yadda. How easily we forget. Don't you remember the gut punch feeling you had on Nov, 7th, 2012 when you awoke and found out TFG was reelected? Can't we just let what will be, be? Let's focus on the truly important things until election day! Will Brad get joint custody?

Posted by: centralscrutinizer at September 27, 2016 01:06 PM (vI+F1)

162
she seemed to be pausing a great deal during her responses.



Waiting for the answer to be fed to her via earpiece.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 01:02 PM (ApT0U)
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I've noticed her pauses in all her speeches. I think it's a medical thing. Maybe it's how she avoids coughing or running out of breath.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 01:06 PM (oGNNA)

163 He did about as well as I expected him to. Trump has plenty of faults when it comes to his debating style, but I do think he has a natural ability to connect to average Americans that doesn't even fall within the realm of her comprehension. This year, that ability counts for a lot.


Posted by: Biergood at September 27, 2016 01:06 PM (v8Lx/)

164 Here's the takeaway.

They're talking about Hillary "winning on points." Barely.

Hillary spend many days with countless handlers and supporters rehearsing, doing mock debates, studying, rehearsing again, practicing expressions and poses, working on her podium, and having facts and talking points forced into her skull with hydraulic pumps.

As far as I know, Trump just showed up.

Think about that a while.

Posted by: TB at September 27, 2016 01:06 PM (UXEYz)

165 >> What I can't figure is how she managed to resync >> her eyeballs. Microimplants controlled by Bluetooth?

A compressed air tank plumbed to her backside controlled by someone watching from offstage.

They only had enough air for about three blasts but it was enough.

Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2016 01:06 PM (TppKb)

166 The thing to remember is that when commentators say 'who won' they are always talking about who they wanted to win. Its not analysis.

Posted by: Ben H at September 27, 2016 01:07 PM (cfPDV)

167 "Because what did she really say? On national security and ISIS, she offered the novel thought that we must work more closely with our allies.

Really. You don't say? I'm glad someone had the guts to finally say it."


Reminded me of Ted Kennedy's recurring refrain: "We must move forward together."

OK, then. I'm for that - content-free phonemes.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 27, 2016 01:07 PM (SRKgf)

168
There is one other thing that Americans are particularly attuned to: unfairness.

Holt's actions in the debate actually hurt hillary.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 27, 2016 01:07 PM (ODxAs)

169 122

Her plan has been all over spotify ads for weeks. She's going to tax the shit out of every company (including overseas holdings) to create "1 million jobs. real jobs".

Like... I know not everybody has heard about the story of the grasshopper and the ant, but I've got a newsflash for ya Hill - eating the seed corn ends poorly for the grasshopper.

Posted by: Gaff at September 27, 2016 01:07 PM (jPS2y)

170
Over at National Review, Tim gets man-damp over Hills:

Mondays Debate: A Microcosm of 2016
by Tim Alberta

Hillary Clinton was comfortable talking substance. She kept her cool. She was steady if unspectacular, giving safe and succinct answers. Above all, she was clearly well prepared.

Donald Trump was out of his depth. He was baited into damaging sound bites. He was erratic, offering long and rambling responses. Above all, he was manifestly unprepared.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 27, 2016 01:08 PM (kdS6q)

171 This is clearly a minority position, (and I only watched the first half of the debate. I could only stomach an hour). Lester Holt didn't seem that bad to me. Maybe my expectations for the moderator were so low, but I was sort of expecting something worse.

It was clearly favorable to Hillary, obviously, but I expected that much. Trump had plenty of time to make his points.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 27, 2016 01:08 PM (KUaJL)

172 You've all convinced me. I started drinking.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at September 27, 2016 01:08 PM (cvOQ2)

173 Somebody mentioned last night that Michael Moore is quite down about the debate and that it may be due to his understanding that Hillary does not have the working poor on her side. Her backing of NAFTA last night may have lost her more of the working class.

Posted by: Decaf at September 27, 2016 01:08 PM (8zHLN)

174 As far as I know, Trump just showed up.

Think about that a while.

Posted by: TB at September 27, 2016 01:06 PM (UXEYz)



I believe he was campaigning right up until the debate. Is that right?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 27, 2016 01:08 PM (SRKgf)

175 Cruz was the best debater head and shoulders over all candidates in both parties this cycle. And that should be no surprise, the guy was a national debate champion at Princeton and had a stellar record arguing cases before the Supreme Court.

But it just goes to show winning debates is not the same as winning elections.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 27, 2016 01:08 PM (fgOnp)

176 Every time I tap out something hopeful I end up calling myself a dumbass and just refresh the page. We ain't voting our way out of this shit.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at September 27, 2016 12:55 PM (cvOQ2)

True, but a Trump win gives us more time to prepare.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 27, 2016 01:08 PM (Idu2i)

177 It was amusing to hear Shrillary say that she was going to help the middle class by making an investment in the middle class


That word, "investment", I do not think it means what you think it means.

Posted by: Spending at September 27, 2016 01:08 PM (mgbwf)

178 Ace, those are a lot of good points, and to extend the metaphor, I wonder if the sentiment that Clinton lost/Trump won is less about either's performance and more about viewers waking from the matrix.

That is to say, there are some (I don't know how you would quantify them until the process is complete) voters who normally, habitually vote (D), but are just searching for a specific reason not to vote for Clinton because she is *so* awful. They don't even need an actual reason, it's just a matter of their internal process working itself out.

Posted by: Methos at September 27, 2016 01:09 PM (3Liv/)

179 Great song choice ace!

I always forget how good STP was, and The Big Empty really captures the current political climate.....

Posted by: Dirty Randy at September 27, 2016 01:09 PM (jjaLl)

180 #140 TrivialPursue

Yes, exactly, TP. People who pay attention know "investment" = "higher taxes." It's the only thing the left can do, so they have to couch it in warm fuzzy terms. Like Obama's "investment in the tax code" BS.

But it's the "correct" answer for the Matrix dwellers.

Posted by: Deplorable McIrredeemableface at September 27, 2016 01:09 PM (xujbM)

181 The Left understands that while 'perception' is not reality... how people perceive reality dictates how they react to reality.

The also understand that we ARE programmed... by school, by language, by Religion, and by Society around us... including TV and Movies.

The Left OWNS Education and Media... thus kids are indoctrinated 7 hours a day by Teachers, then 3 or 4 hours a day by TV....

Leaving about 30 minutes a day actually spent with the ones who SHOULD be teaching them, their parents...

This has been going on for a generation.... and we now see the results in 'safe spaces' and the supposed existence of multiple sexes.... and globul warmering...

There is a generation that was taught that Teachers were always right, and the TV is reality...

So we get Women on the Front lines in Combat, because GI Jane could do it...

But there are very few who even have the ability to question that programming....

Posted by: Don Q. at September 27, 2016 01:10 PM (qf6WZ)

182 There is no Hillary policy. I was pointing that out last night.

The is no policy because her policy is to sell out to the highest bidder.

The only thing that I deem a policy on her part is her desire for a 65% death tax.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 27, 2016 01:10 PM (bWnU+)

183 127 I've been watching excerpts from last night, and yes, her painted-on rictus smile IS the Gore sigh.

Posted by: Soona

This am, I dubbed her Grinny Rictus.

Posted by: GnuBreed, powering through his deplorability at September 27, 2016 01:10 PM (gyKtp)

184 I used to be a Democrat. Then the Clintons came along and I said 'Oh hell no!' Bill Clinton was a smarmy snake oil salesman and it showed. I couldn't believe he won the nomination, let alone the Presidency.

Then Republicans won Congress. I started watching c-span so I could see how the Right and Left went about their business in Congress.

Boy was I surprised at how the Democrats would bald face LIE about what Republicans were trying to do. Especially regarding Social Security. Those assholes scared the hell out of my mother.

Then the Democrats would stand on the steps of the Capitol Building and whine to the media.

THAT'S when I unplugged from the Matrix. I've never gone back.

Posted by: Kat at September 27, 2016 01:10 PM (1HseL)

185 The thing to remember is that when commentators say 'who won' they are always talking about who they wanted to win. Its not analysis.

Yeah exactly. Debates are a mirror, people just respond the way they wanted it to turn out. Trump is lousy at debates, he always has been, and he's usually declared the winner afterward by polls.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2016 01:10 PM (39g3+)

186 Waiting for the answer to be fed to her via earpiece.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 01:02 PM (ApT0U)




Entirely possible: I saw a picture floating around this morning showing her bending over after the debate and some sort of electronic or mechanical accoutrement was clearly being worn under her clothing. Whether it was a receiver for an earpiece or a drug pump remains to be answered. Either way, the slow, halting responses were picked up on by at least one LIV.

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at September 27, 2016 01:10 PM (uiwCw)

187 172 You've all convinced me. I started drinking.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at September 27, 2016 01:08 PM (cvOQ2)

Now, more than ever, booze is the drink for the new America.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at September 27, 2016 01:11 PM (RD7QR)

188 The Donald is not a life long politician he's a successful businessman and a self promoter. That is his main selling point. The hilderbeast is a loooong time politician and lawyer and screetchee and just creepy exwife who rode coattails into politics; the debate didn't change those perceptions.

Posted by: USNtakim at September 27, 2016 01:11 PM (hMqvx)

189 The thing to remember is that when commentators say 'who won' they are always talking about who they wanted to win. Its not analysis.
Posted by: Ben H at September 27, 2016 01:07 PM (cfPDV)

True, although most said Obama lost his first 2012 debate.

From there, it was a 100% certainty that he would be declared the winner in the next one.

Posted by: CJ at September 27, 2016 01:11 PM (9KqcB)

190 Good news! 1997 there was a Miss Universe from Venezuela who gained 60 pounds, now 20 years later no one in Venezuela suffers from overeating!

Posted by: Deplorable Man at September 27, 2016 01:11 PM (HdRas)

191 There is one other thing that Americans are particularly attuned to: unfairness. Holt'sactions in the debate actually hurt hillary. Postedby: Guy Mohawk

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My wife, who does not follow politics the way I do and only recently has started paying attention said about an hour in, "Why does he keep interrupting Trump to ask questions and never her?"

Posted by: Biergood at September 27, 2016 01:11 PM (v8Lx/)

192 That word, "investment", I do not think it means what you think it means.

Yeah, progspeach has redefined "confiscatory tax policy" as "investment."

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 27, 2016 01:11 PM (SeD0w)

193 Even when Trump is in jackass mode, he's likable.

Hillary just can't do that. Nobody genuinely laughed at any point Hillary made.

It's an unfair "sexist" thing but people simply don't like a ball busting woman. Even other women.

I really think the smart play for Hillary would have been just to have come off like a sweet grandma instead.

Posted by: Maritime at September 27, 2016 01:11 PM (2JFSt)

194 (sorry if already posted)

Linked from a commentator at Insty...hmmm

Clinton Received Debate Questions Week Before Debate, According to Sources
http://preview.tinyurl.com/zkp39t3

Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at September 27, 2016 01:12 PM (laQYo)

195 >>Lester Holt didn't seem that bad to me.


And that's his strength. You have to go back and read the silly questions he decided to ask and compare it what a serious, unbiased moderator would have asked to really see his hackery.

Holt's job is to present a selective, biased narrative of the "news" every night to further a particular ideological agenda. He pulls this off with his voice, his appearance, his mannerism. It's all calculated to be disarming and give an impression of authority.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 27, 2016 01:12 PM (fgOnp)

196 "Over at National Review, Tim gets man-damp over Hills:"

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Proving Ace's point.

Posted by: Decaf at September 27, 2016 01:12 PM (8zHLN)

197 We ain't voting our way out of this shit.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at September 27, 2016 12:55 PM (cvOQ2)
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True, but a Trump win gives us more time to prepare.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 27, 2016 01:08 PM (Idu2i)




That's my position, as well.

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at September 27, 2016 01:12 PM (uiwCw)

198 She won on pants.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 27, 2016 01:12 PM (IqV8l)

199 But it just goes to show winning debates is not the same as winning elections.


I honestly don't know what the point of debates is.

Just to hear how people jab at each other? Soundbites?

Something for pundits to get clicks talking about?

All I know is exposing Hillary to sunlight has to hurt her every time.

Posted by: eleven at September 27, 2016 01:13 PM (qUNWi)

200 I'm not a fan of anecdotal evidence. I think we use it to soothe our anxieties, but that's about all it's good for. However, I recently had a conversation with my father that I think is illustrative of why Hillary is such a terrible candidate.

My father is a lifelong academic with a political ideology so far to the left, he's disappointed that Obama didn't do MORE to transform the country into a liberal paradise. The only political common ground my father and I share is that we both believe strongly in free speech (and he thinks that the campus shenanigans are stupid).

He will vote for Hillary Clinton, just as he's voted for ever Democrat for as long as he's been voting. However he recently asked me this:

"Imagine your child had been kidnapped, and you needed to trust someone to take the ransom to the kidnappers, or else they'll kill your child. Would you trust Obama to do that?"

I said yes, I don't like Obama, and I think he's a terrible president, but I don't think he would steal my child's ransom.

My father agreed, and said, likewise, he thought George W. Bush was a terrible president, but that he would also trust the former president to deliver the ransom safely.

Then my father looked at me and said, "Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, would put the money in her pocket, and never look back."

And that's from someone who will definitely vote for her.

Posted by: Scout at September 27, 2016 01:13 PM (ukad2)

201
Whenever a Democrat like hillary says she wants to tax the rich, the middle class better hold on to their wallets. Because she's coming for them, not her wall street cronies.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 27, 2016 01:13 PM (ODxAs)

202 133 She looked smug and condescending
Posted by: ThunderB at September 27, 2016 01:01 PM (BkJzF)



This. The patronizing chipmunk look put my TV set in grave danger several times.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 27, 2016 01:13 PM (SRKgf)

203 My opinion on it is that it was a wash. Some die hard Trump supporters are grumbling because he didn't go out there like the God of War and pulverize Hillary. And I'd have to say there was strong advice to Trump to avoid pulling a Lazio.

Thing is you could've still done it without being threatening at all. Just look at her and tell her to her face that she's corrupt with the FBI files, Travelgate, the server, the emails, and that the only reason she's not under indictment is due to her influence and pull.

Also pretty sure that thing Donald referred to that he was prepared to say but he just couldn't bring himself to do it is the fact that Chelsea is Webb Hubbell's daughter. There was something today where Trump said he respects Chelsea too much to say that thing.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 27, 2016 01:13 PM (4ErVI)

204 What I can't figure is how she managed to resync >> her eyeballs. Microimplants controlled by Bluetooth?
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Special contact lenses?

Enough medications to fell an elephant?

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 27, 2016 01:13 PM (tvyXw)

205 Oh, you're here.

@97
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 12:57 PM (oGNNA)




?

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 01:13 PM (cPsPa)

206 "Trump missed so much low hanging fruit."

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Yup. I **think** if he could hit some of that fruit out of the park (mixed metaphors, yeah... piss off) he could have ended the election right then and there.

But he didnt give up ground.

My personal favorite he could have jumped on was:

Hillary: My proposals do not add one thin dime to the deficits"

Trumps: Really??? Your submitting balanced budgets your first year?? I didnt think even god could balance our budgets in a year.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 27, 2016 01:14 PM (8XRCm)

207 I don't think Hillz took a drink of water at all last night, did she? Swallowing issues, maybe?

Posted by: Deplorable McIrredeemableface at September 27, 2016 01:14 PM (xujbM)

208 Basically all political junkies (even here) are accustomed to the traditional debate scoring method.

Just like tweens are accustomed to pop music, and will declare Justin Bieber to have "won" music in 2016, so too will political junkies see Clinton's soothing shallowness as a winning strategy.

Trump is like Tchaikovsky's "Rite of Spring," causing a riot at the premiere because it is so jarring to a traditional audience.

Posted by: wooga at September 27, 2016 01:14 PM (uSPrH)

209 It's an unfair "sexist" thing but people simply don't like a ball busting woman.




Because, odds are, guys have been married to one.
When guys bust each others balls, they know it's in fun.
Seems some women never got that memo.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 01:14 PM (ApT0U)

210 I'm parched.

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at September 27, 2016 01:15 PM (Tyii7)

211 Finally Trump starts to kick back at Holt's bias this morning.


I think it showed so much that it helped Trump.


Two more debates, Trump is a fast learner, I hope.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 27, 2016 01:15 PM (NbJXF)

212 To me, it's like, I have a sweet tooth, and that sweet tooth needs its sugar. This has nothing to do with nutrition.

The left keeps spooning its sugar onto its voters, and they get that temporary satisfaction from getting their sweet tooth hit.

We used to think the right was different, that it was more about nutrition, and so it took more than a spoonful of the white stuff to make us feel satisfied.

I don't think that's so true anymore.

Anyhoo, now that we're matrixed, to borrow the phrase, we have our own version of the sweet tooth. And no one (certainly not Trump) is hitting our sweet tooth with the good stuff.

So much of the waa waaing we continue to hear from the so-called right is exactly the lack of anyone feeding them their sugar.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 27, 2016 01:15 PM (TOk1P)

213
Do you know what the Veep debate will be about?

Trump.
Pence will be required to defend Trump while that shithead Kaine attacks Trump.

Do you know what the 2nd and 3rd debates will be about? Trump.

Posted by: M Magoo's at September 27, 2016 01:15 PM (BAqy2)

214 Are the throwable objects flying today in Hillary's quarters? Is Trump enjoying a taco bowl for lunch, in his? One wonders.

Posted by: washrivergal madly and deeply deplorable at September 27, 2016 01:15 PM (CFc5L)

215 Instead of a "moderator," why not have two "moderators," one from each side, each asking the opposing candidate a question and then letting the other address the same question?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 27, 2016 01:15 PM (SRKgf)

216 Cruz was the best debater head and shoulders over all candidates in both parties this cycle. And that should be no surprise, the guy was a national debate champion at Princeton and had a stellar record arguing cases before the Supreme Court.

But it just goes to show winning debates is not the same as winning elections.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost




Cruz would have been the one that we would all be high-fiveing each other that Hillary got owned and yet he would have actually lost voters.

Posted by: Maritime at September 27, 2016 01:15 PM (2JFSt)

217 45 Trump was passionate about the problems in this country and finding new ways to solve them.

Hillary was passionate about attacking Trump.

Which do YOU think appeals to the mushy middle?
Posted by: Rat a tat at at September 27, 2016 12:49 PM (XPk5v)

Hillary is the evil teacher who tormented you for being quirky, and got all your classmates to join in. I had to turn away from the screen when I walked by.

And the Clinton-fellating media isn'5 liberal. The Clintons aren't liberal. They are lying, criminal neoliberal globalists. The media is full of lying neoliberal globalists. National Review and Weekly Standard included. Trump is standing against them, and he's winning. The establishment dirty tricks will only get worse, and some of you "conservatives" need to buck up.

Posted by: Bernette at September 27, 2016 01:15 PM (ru2SK)

218 That's my two cents writ large.
Posted by: sans_sheriff at September 27, 2016 01:01 PM (Ssh+t)



That was very interesting.

A note on both Scott Adams and the Salena Zito piece. Note that both Scott Adams and Reed's rejection of Hillary Clinton is based on substantive issues (estate tax and small business growth respectively) and not on likeability or other matters.

Those are what used to be known as kitchen table issues. When we die, will the kids have to sell the farm to the developer because that's the only way to afford the tax bill on the $5 million that the property is worth? What positions are you taking that will help or hurt my pest control business?

It goes back to how the price of gas used to be a leading indicator of Presidential approval ratings. Those are every day matters that people discuss at the kitchen table.

Hillary is a wonk addressing a Davos conference. Trump is the insurance salesman down the block that's a total blowhard gladhanding salesman who will sit down for a burger and chomp on it while trying to sell you term policies to cover the inheritance tax bill.

Posted by: alexthechick - unskewed at September 27, 2016 01:15 PM (mf5HN)

219 The Baltimore Gazette appears to be a fake newspaper:

http://www.citypaper.com/blogs/the-news-hole

/bcpnews-someone-revived-the-baltimore-gazette-to-

spread-fake-bullshit-20160923-story.html

IIRC, they have previously injected fake news stories into this year's cycle.

Posted by: ace at September 27, 2016 01:16 PM (dciA+)

220 Joe - I'm with you. I didn't think holt was as bad as others do.

Posted by: SH at September 27, 2016 01:16 PM (IHoII)

221 Best line of hus was "you have been at this for 30 years ?"

Posted by: ThunderB at September 27, 2016 01:17 PM (BkJzF)

222 It was amusing to hear Shrillary say that she was going to help the middle class by making an investment in the middle class


Investment = just the tip

Posted by: wooga at September 27, 2016 01:17 PM (uSPrH)

223 Basically all political junkies (even here) are accustomed to the traditional debate scoring method.

Just like tweens are accustomed to pop music, and will declare Justin Bieber to have "won" music in 2016, so too will political junkies see Clinton's soothing shallowness as a winning strategy.

Trump is like Tchaikovsky's "Rite of Spring," causing a riot at the premiere because it is so jarring to a traditional audience.

Posted by: wooga at September 27, 2016 01:14 PM (uSPrH)



Oh, I like this analogy. I used the sweet tooth thing, but I think I like the musical pablum concept ever more.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 27, 2016 01:17 PM (TOk1P)

224 Cruz would have been the one that we would all be high-fiveing each
other that Hillary got owned and yet he would have actually lost
voters.
--

There is some real truth to this. We really aren't the target group for these things.

Posted by: Revenant at September 27, 2016 01:17 PM (3DSAh)

225 Trump is like Tchaikovsky's "Rite of Spring,"

That's Stravinsky.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at September 27, 2016 01:17 PM (WlGX+)

226 Trump is like Tchaikovsky's "Rite of Spring," causing a riot at the premiere because it is so jarring to a traditional audience.

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That was weird Igor Stavinsky.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at September 27, 2016 01:17 PM (sbEHC)

227
Trump is like Tchaikovsky's "Rite of Spring,"

I like Glenn Miller's "Rock Around the Clock"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 27, 2016 01:17 PM (IqV8l)

228 As Samuel Johnson said:

"I would say to Robertson what an old tutor of a college said to one of his pupils:'Read over your compositions, and where ever you meet with a passage which you think is particularly fine, strike it out.'"

I think there was lot of stuff that Trump could have said that the people who are voting for him no matter what would have loved, and that anyone dumb enough to still be undecided would have thought made him an asshole.

Posted by: Michael at September 27, 2016 01:17 PM (KClXw)

229 This is a repost from the morning thread that makes a similar point as Ace:

I was thinking it was more of a tie with Trump slightly coming out better for appearing more calm, "alpha" and Presidential than the Hillary! in her Biden/Joker mode.


However, the lovely and perceptive Mrs naturalfake, who is not political at all, called it an outright victory for Trump, becuz-

1) Trump was more likable and approachable. She found Hillary! to be off-putting and a bit bitchy.

2) She thought Trump did better with his explanations and details(!). Hillary! sounded just like she was spewing campaign slogans(she was) and generalities.

3) Trump obviously wasn't selling himself to voters like me, who already liked what they saw enough previously to vote for him.

This was about reaching people who don't know him or only know his reputation by commercials.

She thought he did this well.


The beautiful and intelligent Mr naturalfake is a very good people-person,

still I thought she might've gotten this one wrong.

But, as the after-debate polls show, she was spot on.


Trump for the win.


Still, I hope something is done about the hugely biased moderators and Trump calmly but pointedly picks the low-hanging fruit about Hillary!'s corruption and horrible record.





Overall, I think Ace is correct about the Matrix aspect of this, particularly with those who really follow politics.

We're so used to seeing Leftist memes and leftists coagulating around their propaganda and their constant reenforcement of that propaganda-

that "we" who follow politics think of the Left as some kind of Juggernaut, unstoppable in it's destruction.


But, the MSM has actually shot itself in the foot with their constant boosterism of TFG, their constant exhortations that every thing is great, citizen!

when all anyone has to do is look around to see just how miserably, totally, and dangerously the Left and everything Obama and Hillary! propose is failing the country and it's people.

Thus, we hear Hillary! spout the same old crap and think it's the creaking of the Juggernaut rolling into action,

when in fact to a majority(?) of voters it's the same old failed tired shit rolled out again that is failing them now and will keep failing them if they elect Hillary!

The riots, the shootings, the jihad, the unemployment everywhere, the dangers to your children, the diseases being brought in, the increasing taxes, the inflation of food, the glorification of the welfare state, the bizarre fixation on the mentally illness of the gender confused, the pointless panic over global warming, the illegal aliens literal eating of your social security funds-

just how much of this do you need to see wth your own eyes before you decide enough is enough.

I believe that is what we are seeing here on a national scale.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 27, 2016 01:17 PM (0cMkb)

230 Trumps best line? 30 years and you haven't done shit.


CHANGE is the selling point. Never forget that.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 27, 2016 01:18 PM (NbJXF)

231 >>> What I can't figure is how she managed to resync her eyeballs.


I think it does tend to show that her problem is a degenerative neurological disease and not just a faulty nerve circuit controlling her eyes. Because her problem can be controlled by medication for a period of time, almost certainly a dopamine agonist that lets her be alert and mentally fully functional and free of freezes for a period of time.

To see what's she like on the down cycle of her dopamine agonist, recall how she was talking to the press in the airplane in the evening following the bombings in NYC and NJ.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 27, 2016 01:18 PM (fgOnp)

232 Here's the thing: I don't think Clinton can do better. She won't do worse unless her drug pump malfunctions, but she can't do better. That's her. Gonna be the same her every time.

So the best the hag could do was a cat's game against a poorly-briefed Trump who slipped back into old habits halfway in.

Does Trump decide that's good enough, or does he actually go back and listen to people now?

Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2016 01:18 PM (TppKb)

233 I know people talk about Cruz or Rubio would have done so much better. Cruz probably would have gotten into the weeds on policy, tuning people out, and then stopped talking like a good little boy when Lester started to interrupt him. Trump didn't stop until he was done.

Rubio would be looking for his applause lines. And as last night demonstrated, Lester let Hillary get away with multiple applause lines and the moment Trump got one he reminded the crowd to be quiet, continuing to let Hillary get more after that. So that wouldn't have been all that winnable either.

Posted by: buzzion at September 27, 2016 01:18 PM (bMG0w)

234
On the "temperment" issue, Trump vaguely referenced when Hillary chastised her Team in a profanity laced rant after the "CIC Interview"..... and she called Donna Brazille a "buffalo".

He should have referenced the fact he never threw a lamp at his spouse, never cursed his secret service detail, and never called anyone on his staff a buffalo..... yet she has the gall to call him intemperate??

Posted by: fixerupper at September 27, 2016 01:18 PM (8XRCm)

235 Play Flight of the Bumblebee again for me, Huma.

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at September 27, 2016 01:19 PM (Tyii7)

236 Does Hillary have a glass eye?

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale- Depolorably Magnificent at September 27, 2016 01:19 PM (uhftQ)

237 208 Basically all political junkies (even here) are accustomed to the traditional debate scoring method.

Just like tweens are accustomed to pop music, and will declare Justin Bieber to have "won" music in 2016, so too will political junkies see Clinton's soothing shallowness as a winning strategy.

Trump is like Tchaikovsky's "Rite of Spring," causing a riot at the premiere because it is so jarring to a traditional audience.
Posted by: wooga at September 27, 2016 01:14 PM (uSPrH)

It warms my heart to note that at least two Hordelings corrected you in a pedantic fashion before I did.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at September 27, 2016 01:19 PM (RD7QR)

238 Rev told me this morning that Trump did horrible. Just awful. He was extremely agitated because he is fully on board the Trump Train. I didn't watch it so I don't know.

Posted by: grammie winger, redeemed remnant at September 27, 2016 01:19 PM (DLIpz)

239 She's going to tax the shit out of every company (including overseas holdings) to create "1 million jobs. real jobs".

What jobs?? IRS inspectors? Yeah, moar corporate taxes. That's what the electorate is clamoring for.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 27, 2016 01:19 PM (SeD0w)

240 Finally Trump starts to kick back at Holt's bias this morning.


Holt's bias was obvious, but he wasn't that intrusive.

As someone noted upthread, Trump had plenty of time and space to maneuver. He chose to go into the weeds about what he told Hannity in 2005.

All the wasted opportunities were not Holt's fault.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 27, 2016 01:19 PM (mgbwf)

241 Holt's job is to present a selective, biased narrative of the "news" every night to further a particular ideological agenda. He pulls this off with his voice, his appearance, his mannerism. It's all calculated to be disarming and give an impression of authority.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 27, 2016 01:12 PM (fgOnp)

I agree. I just think it's fruitless to hope or expect anything otherwise. The playing field is not, and never will be level. It sucks, but that's what we have to deal with. Lester Holt acted how I expected to act him, and was consistent with how the media always treats republican candidates.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 27, 2016 01:19 PM (KUaJL)

242
Good God. And did she say Americans, personally and individually, need to be nicer?
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 12:45 PM (oGNNA)


Sure did.But not all Americans just the white ones, evidently we need to check our built in racial bias aka white privilege.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 27, 2016 01:19 PM (lKyWE)

243 >> just how much of this do you need to see wth your
>> own eyes before you decide enough is enough.

Like to buy me a couple 747s and some fertilizer?

Posted by: Zombie Osama Bin Laden at September 27, 2016 01:19 PM (TppKb)

244 why didn't he just say the word "Deplorable??" AUGH!!l
I feel like we need a thread called "Talking points for Trump's next time."

I'll start: anytime Hillary gets personal and insulting with Donald, say "I must seem absolultely deplorable to you. Do you think I'm irredeemable, too, unless I agree with everything you say?"

Posted by: vivi at September 27, 2016 01:20 PM (11H2y)

245 My father, who is also not political and will not be voting due to religious reasons (don't ask), also watched the debate and announced Trump as the definite winner. I was surprised. He said all the issues Trump brought up were true and important and that he wasn't wrong about them. He also noticed and complained A LOT about Lester Holt sticking his fucking nose into the shebang. Take it for what it's worth.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 27, 2016 01:20 PM (4ErVI)

246 219 The Baltimore Gazette appears to be a fake newspaper:

Yikes - thanks for the head's up Ace!

Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at September 27, 2016 01:20 PM (laQYo)

247 >>Then Republicans won Congress. I started watching c-span so I could see
how the Right and Left went about their business in Congress.


That's how I broke free from the MSM Matrix, too: C-SPAN.

You see how the sausage is made - hearing a full debate or speech and then seeing how the evening news reduces it to a single soundbite (that typically is a complete mis-characterization of the event). The Daily Show learned from the serious media; only difference is the mugging for the camera and the audience laughing.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2016 01:20 PM (NOIQH)

248 She won on pants.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 27, 2016 01:12 PM (IqV8l)


Pints? Don't mind if I do!

Posted by: Hillory at September 27, 2016 01:20 PM (TOk1P)

249 "Bill Clinton was a smarmy snake oil salesman and it showed. I couldn't believe he won the nomination, let alone the Presidency."

Yeah. I could always see right through him. Only the very first time I'd ever heard of him or heard him speak did I notice he was a talented speaker and it went down from there.

He only won with 43% in 1992. And only 49% in 1996. So must of the country had his number early on too.

The media are the ones that have been pushing the Clintons are popular meme. They never were.

And Hillary doesn't even have Bill's abilities.

She's going to lose and badly.

Posted by: The media Suxs at September 27, 2016 01:20 PM (ZivuY)

250 I did nearly steal someone's yard sign though. Skywalker 2016. You're Our Only Hope.
*
*
Though I never put it on my card, I used to have a bumper sticker: PICARD/RIKER 1996

I think I kept it and crossed out 1996 in 2000. Wonder where it is now.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 27, 2016 01:20 PM (UkGKj)

251 "On national security and ISIS, she offered the novel thought that we must work more closely with our allies."



What you missed is that she was part of the first Administration in history to BETRAY our allies, and befriend our ENEMIES. While it's a NO-BRAINER, they MISSED IT. Granted, it's not because they're stupid, but because they're anti-American.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 01:21 PM (EnK/R)

252 I watched zero post debate spin, I went to bed immediately after, and had contemplated going to bed before it was over. My wife fell asleep last 20 minutes.

I was pretty surprised to see a lot of this and then talking to people not all Trump supporters, that thought he didn't lose or if he did it was close.

Saw the Michael Moore comments, saw the Dilbert stuff this morning, and all these anecdotal stories. I think Trump had her on the ropes during the NAFTA/TPP stuff and lost a lot of steam when they changed topics, and obviously missed a lot of opportunities to hammer her on the email stuff.

I'll be interested to see the ratings, and how they dropped off, because it was boring as shit. I'm suspecting that Trump landed a real haymaker with that TPP exchange, and it hit the target in the midwest, while 100 million people were watching. No one gave a crap about the tax and birther stuff which is where she ran up the score on him thanks to Lester Holt. I also suspect there was a 30% drop off in viewers by then.

Will be really interesting to see where the polling goes. What a wacky election.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at September 27, 2016 01:21 PM (Uy8SG)

253 All the wasted opportunities were not Holt's fault.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 27, 2016 01:19 PM (mgbwf)

True. Trump was not on his game.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 27, 2016 01:21 PM (NbJXF)

254

Is the debate over yet? How'd I do????

~cough-cough-cough-COUGH-COUGH-COUGH,, fart/squirt,,~

shoe flies off/faints

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 27, 2016 01:21 PM (HSmrB)

255 Went out to fart around the yard with my cats (it's an absolutely beautiful day today) and found out my lawn still has chiggers.

*scratches numerous locations on body*

Posted by: Soona at September 27, 2016 01:21 PM (Fmupd)

256 >> Sure did.But not all Americans just the white ones,
>> evidently we need to check our built in racial bias
>> aka white privilege.

Well, except for the blacks, and those Hispanics the Democrats deem 'authentic', and certain 'refugee' groups...



Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2016 01:21 PM (TppKb)

257 First we kill all the lawyers and then the politicians. Whats left? Regular people... Like DT.

Posted by: USNtakim at September 27, 2016 01:21 PM (hMqvx)

258 She was recently wondering why she wasn't winning by 50 points.

Her debate performance was as if she were winning by 50 points - safe and platitudinous. That's not going to get the job done against a guy with passion, as Trump was, especially in his answers regarding the black community. He gives a shit, even if his prescriptions aren't what the anointed want to hear.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 27, 2016 01:21 PM (ASSjT)

259 The people who think Clinton won are the people who are clinging to the notion that this is our normal Presidential election. So they judge the debate on the mastery of forms and generally accepted, officially approved techniques.

It has the feel of a Japanese tea ceremony.

But if you think Trump won you're sick of that bs, want to bust the place up, and possibly take a piss off of both podiums.

Posted by: Skunky Choom at September 27, 2016 01:22 PM (CbGSW)

260 Instead of a "moderator," why not have two "moderators," one from each side, each asking the opposing candidate a question and then letting the other address the same question?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 27, 2016 01:15 PM (SRKgf)

Yes, or let the candidates ask each other the questions, and the moderator's job is to let them know when the answer period is up and it is time for the next question.

The moderator's function in modern presidential history seems to be primarily to protect the Democrat candidate from being presented with embarrassing questions they have not carefully prepared for.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 27, 2016 01:22 PM (fgOnp)

261 Good analysis, Ace. Who was inspired by Hillary's answers? What undecided person listened to her and thought, "oh good, she knows the way forward." As ThunderB quoted above "you have been at this for 30 years."

Hillary's canned hurt her. Syria - "we need to do more." Ok, why didn't you do that when you held the levers of power? Why haven't you pressured the administration to do more?

The central idea of Trump is a successful one - if you're happy with the way things are going, vote H; if not, vote Trump. That's it and it's a winning argument.

Posted by: Duke at September 27, 2016 01:22 PM (EQNFN)

262 Sure did.But not all Americans just the white ones, evidently we need to check our built in racial bias aka white privilege.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 27, 2016 01:19 PM (lKyWE)


Dammit! I don't think I can get any nicer. It's mathematically and chemically impossible.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 27, 2016 01:22 PM (TOk1P)

263
Whose dick do I have to suck to get a name-check here?

Posted by: Igor Stravinsky at September 27, 2016 01:22 PM (dciA+)

264 Posted by: alexthechick - unskewed at September 27, 2016 01:15 PM (mf5HN

What happened to those kitchen table issues?
Seriously? Clinton is in no way addressing them. Trump is, to an extent, and maybe he's picking up blue collar workers at the expense of the more educated.

And yet though, whole aspects are going in touched. Trump hits on outsourcing and such, but only dances around the knife edge the entire economy sits on. I'm not sure the average voter cares that the fed is playing politics (they are, quite obviously). But noting that they're out of weapons to hit even a small ripple in the economy should be more front and center.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 27, 2016 01:22 PM (dzmBR)

265 I listened while watching Twitter's reaction last night. I thought Trump was strong on points early, but floundered a bit in the end. Yes, that's what most people thought, but what struck me was just how robotic and unlikable Hillary was. My mostly apolitical wife thought she sounded shriller than usual. Eldest son was stuck watching due to a civics assignment. Apparently his teacher hates her class. Anyway, he said "Dad, I don't know about most of the things they're talking about, but she kind of annoys me."

My point? Yes, I do have one and it's this: the more people see Hillary, the less they like her. Even when they agree with her, they think she's a badly programmed animatronic version of a human. This could, in my opinion, be more important than any policy details. Remember this: John Kerry won all 3 of his debates on policy points, if you scored it as a high school debating club. However, he lost the election due to his complete lack of authenticity and empathy. Bush, for all his failings, was comfortable in his own skin and that showed.

How will this election turn out? I don't pretend to know. And that right there makes me far superior to 99.9% of our chattering classes.

Posted by: physics geek at September 27, 2016 01:22 PM (MT22W)

266 It warms my heart to note that at least two Hordelings corrected you in a pedantic fashion before I did.

-
There is an amazing amount of diverse knowledge here at the HQ. It there were a global catastrophe and only Morons survived, we could rebuild civilization except do it right this time.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at September 27, 2016 01:23 PM (sbEHC)

267 OT, but I have something to be happy about. Daughter the younger will be finally coming home from Afghanistan the end of October AND she got orders. We are finally moving out of Califuckingfornia in February 2017 going to Lackland AFB in Texas

Posted by: GrandMa Bell at September 27, 2016 01:23 PM (RLdcX)

268 Smirky Snarky and more of the Same Old Same Old does not play well.

Every time I hear the Red Queen (well Princess Pantsuit was in all red last night) talk about "investments", I know it means an entirely different thing coming out of her mouth than out of Trumps.

From him, an investment creates businesses, builds factories, and creates jobs. And those jobs last.

From her, it's another hit in the taxpayer's wallet with money going to the administration's friends, or simply pissed in the wind.

Posted by: Skeptical Voter at September 27, 2016 01:23 PM (Sda6L)

269 215 Instead of a "moderator," why not have two "moderators," one from each side, each asking the opposing candidate a question and then letting the other address the same question?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 27, 2016 01:15 PM (SRKgf)



Because that would be sensible. Just like it would be sensible to not have it be some news personality doing the debates. But that's not the goal. This was an effort at a Clinton commercial as well as a commercial for NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt.

Posted by: buzzion at September 27, 2016 01:23 PM (bMG0w)

270 She's going to lose and badly.





Posted by: The media Suxs at September 27, 2016 01:20 PM (ZivuY)

For some odd reason, I feel exactly like this is the outcome. I don't think enough people like her and she did herself no favors by lashing out at Americans, acting haughty, and smirking.

Posted by: washrivergal madly and deeply deplorable at September 27, 2016 01:24 PM (CFc5L)

271
She's going to tax the shit out of every company (including overseas holdings) to create "1 million jobs. real jobs".

What jobs??


hair dressers, lawyers, telephone sanitisers

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 27, 2016 01:24 PM (IqV8l)

272 Trump is like Tchaikovsky's "Rite of Spring," causing a riot at the premiere because it is so jarring to a traditional audience.

Posted by: wooga at September 27, 2016 01:14 PM (uSPrH)



Oh, I like this analogy. I used the sweet tooth thing, but I think I like the musical pablum concept ever more.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 27, 2016 01:17 PM (TOk1P)

They expected Donna Summers....

They got Quiet Riot...

/sings...

we're not gonna take it....

Posted by: Don Q. at September 27, 2016 01:24 PM (qf6WZ)

273 243 >> just how much of this do you need to see wth your
>> own eyes before you decide enough is enough.

Like to buy me a couple 747s and some fertilizer?
Posted by: Zombie Osama Bin Laden at September 27, 2016 01:19 PM (TppKb)



Whaaaaaaat?


Not only are you a Zombie Bin Laden,

you sound positively brain-damaged.


Since when is a call for voting in change, a call for terrorist action?

You a very silly retard.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 27, 2016 01:24 PM (0cMkb)

274 Socrates Allegory Cave. Don't allow yourself to be a chained prisoner. Here's a great piece about how we're all reacting to the Twitter cave. http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/08/were-all-trapped-in-the-twitter-cave/

Posted by: KInLA at September 27, 2016 01:25 PM (hLsQ6)

275 Well-written as always, Ace.
But, I think it doesn't matter why people viewed the debate or perceived a winner in the manner in which they did. We are talking about perception. Perception is a game all politicians know how to play. Some are better at it than others. Trump did not prep, he still thinks he can wing these debates in the general election (far different debates than those of the primaries), and there is a general sense of arrogance from him - either his advisors can't get through to him effectively, or they're simply bad advisors. Or both.

Hillary simply looked, sounded and acted more presidential than the bombastic trump, who interrupted at every turn like a spoiled, entitled child.

Again, I'm careful to mention that this does not mean that I like Hillary or her policies. I don't. But as someone who coaches clients all the time before media appearances - I can say that she achieved what she needed to achieve. And I'm going to bet that in the next five to seven days, you'll see s big bounce for her in the polls, barring any unforeseen event.

Posted by: Sassy at September 27, 2016 01:25 PM (q7eWh)

276 Posted by: GrandMa Bell at September 27, 2016 01:23 PM (RLdcX)

Great news!

Posted by: washrivergal madly and deeply deplorable at September 27, 2016 01:25 PM (CFc5L)

277 >> And yet though, whole aspects are going in
>> touched. Trump hits on outsourcing and such, but
>> only dances around the knife edge the entire
>> economy sits on.

Trump did note relative to Hillary's tax-and-spend that Obama's doubled the national debt and that limits policy options for free shit, there are things you just can't do. But it was a brief rebuttal and not developed into a full-fledged talking point.

He should develop that line. He should note that the Federal government is borrowing 35 cents (is that a current number?) of every dollar it spends and how long could any normal American get away with that?

Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2016 01:26 PM (TppKb)

278 It cracks me up that Trump, by all objective appearances lost the debate and yet appeared to draw more undecideds than Hillary.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 27, 2016 01:26 PM (5JBUT)

279 Hey Ace, you gonna eat that donut?

Posted by: Miss Universe 1996 at September 27, 2016 01:26 PM (8ZskC)

280 I still like Eric Trump's line from a couple of weeks ago and wish Trump would have used it last night:

You and your husband made hundreds of millions of dollars after leaving the White House. What product were you selling?

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at September 27, 2016 01:26 PM (JxMoP)

281
Dukakis in a tank.

Algores eyerolls and heavy sighing.

Hillary's "I think all us white people need to work on our biases."

Posted by: fixerupper at September 27, 2016 01:26 PM (8XRCm)

282 That's great news Grandma Bell! You guys will love Texas.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 27, 2016 01:26 PM (6IPEM)

283 I stood back this AM, and I remembered that for better or worse Trump is running a completely different caimpaign. We are seeing every day, few adds, few caimpaign offices. I need to stop thinking like every other year in elections.

Posted by: Picric at September 27, 2016 01:26 PM (s0VSd)

284 Posted by: physics geek at September 27, 2016 01:22 PM (MT22W)


Kerry's quip about a "global test" brought a smirk to my face and I knew he'd stepped in it big time with that one. This was only a few years after 9/11 and NO ONE was giving two shits about what a bunch of UN stuffed shirts had to say about anything.

It was at that point I was thinking Thanks for playing, Horse Face. The exit's over there and no you don't get any fucking parting gifts.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 27, 2016 01:27 PM (4ErVI)

285 I said much the same - but I added in more about TONE.

http://rightasusual.blogspot.com/2016/09/prediction-actual-debates-will-not.html

Posted by: LindaF at September 27, 2016 01:27 PM (xcV4R)

286 Hillary looked and sounded like a bitter ex wife at divorce negotiations. Yes, she won on points, but she reminded people why they hate her and even made Trump look sympathetic.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 27, 2016 01:27 PM (qsVN2)

287 Posted by: Igor Stravinsky at September 27, 2016 01:22 PM (dciA+)


I checked ya. Thanks for writing the intro music that YES has been using for 40 years.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at September 27, 2016 01:27 PM (WlGX+)

288 Because that would be sensible. Just like it would be sensible to not have it be some news personality doing the debates. But that's not the goal. This was an effort at a Clinton commercial as well as a commercial for NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt.

Posted by: buzzion at September 27, 2016 01:23 PM (bMG0w)



It gets to be one of those "don't overthink this" types of things.


The RNC agrees to debates, as they are. Nobody puts a gun to their head and says they must do it. So... one is forced to conclude, these things go the way they do because they want them to go the way they do.


Posted by: BurtTC at September 27, 2016 01:27 PM (TOk1P)

289 Doesn't matter who "won" the debate. One of these two asshats is going to be president in January, which means most people in this country are going to lose.

Posted by: Sirius the Canine Pundit at September 27, 2016 01:27 PM (LBO1U)

290 Did you see Monday Night Football last night?!? Falcons dominated the Saints!!

Posted by: LIV at September 27, 2016 01:27 PM (SeD0w)

291 Left a comment in the last thread that belongs here. I don't think Trump is debating at all. I think he's marketing. He doesn't answer challenges with opposing facts but he steps hooks. Last nights hook was,"politician". He must have called her that 20 times. No one likes politicians.

I think this is how he wins in the polls after seeming to lose debates.

Posted by: Typo dynqmofo at September 27, 2016 01:27 PM (394Te)

292 It cracks me up that Trump, by all objective appearances lost the debate and yet appeared to draw more undecideds than Hillary.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 27, 2016 01:26 PM (5JBUT)

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Hillarys Pyrrhic Victory

Posted by: fixerupper at September 27, 2016 01:27 PM (8XRCm)

293 would be a grand discourse to reflect on the Davosie mind. When Jay Nordlinger started his Never Trump position it struck me that his thoughts on the annual Devos meetings were not observations from one conservative to another, but were a relay of thoughts from the elite to a know nothing nobody.

The stink of the elite is the worst amongst diplomats. The lies they chatter between themselves reflect a cynical game where the worst offense is to disrespect the other liers lies.

Joe Wilson is the greatest criminal ever to these people.

Posted by: Minuteman at September 27, 2016 01:28 PM (f/tWz)

294 @242 ... "Sure did.But not all Americans just the white ones, evidently we need to check our built in racial bias aka white privilege."
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 27, 2016 01:19 PM (lKyWE)



What I noticed about it was that she said the police needed to be trained because of their "inherent" bigotry. Basically, the argument is that you have to train your cat to be a dog.

Besides the insult - and the racism! - of the "inherent" claim, the way they've set it up is that they must be beat over the head for their racism, but will STILL be racist anyway, so the race-baiters will always have race to beat you over the head with.

It works the same way as the Catholic concept of "original sin". You're automatically guilty, and they're going to tell you what you must do to try to make yourself LESS guilty. You're effectively their slave, if you sign onto that crap.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 01:28 PM (EnK/R)

295 Long post, good post. I'll admit, I didn't read it all, but I think I got the gist of it.

My Matrix experience is that now I notice how many whites, blacks, latinos, gays, etc etc etc are present in any given situation. I hate that about myself. I'm trying to deprogram myself from it. It's something that I never thought about say, oh, eight years ago. I just noticed "people." Now, I actively notice "types" and it makes me sick to do so.

I hate them for that.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 27, 2016 01:28 PM (vg8iE)

296 My takeaway from the debate is that Hillary called the whole country racist. Trump's campaign should run that clip in ads from now on with a caption: this woman thinks she is better than you.
Posted by: Decaf

That would include every policeman shot as a result of the racial hatred obama and company have fomented.

The five officers in Dallas included.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 27, 2016 01:28 PM (326rv)

297
@97
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 12:57 PM (oGNNA)




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Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 01:13 PM (cPsPa)
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Aren't you the one who was asking how LIVs reacted last night? See #97.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 01:28 PM (oGNNA)

298 Trump was kind of embarrassing, and lost, during his primary debates. That really hurt him...

If Trump loses ground in the polls by week's end, he may change up for the next debate. If things stall, or he keeps gaining, he'll be just as unprepared in the next debate. And it may still work for him.

Posted by: Grimaldi at September 27, 2016 01:28 PM (V/f/L)

299 "And I'm going to bet that in the next five to seven days, you'll see s big bounce for her in the polls, barring any unforeseen event."

I'd take that bet.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 01:28 PM (r1fLd)

300 But it was a brief rebuttal and not developed into a full-fledged talking point.
*******************

I wonder if he purposely avoids extended talking points because short and clipped responses are more memorable and more likely to be replayed as sound bites.

He seems to be playing a completely different kind of game here.

If he wins (please God) he will have exposed the political consultant class that says you must have X amount of media buys, you must talk a certain way, you must be like a scholar in a debate, etc all for the outrageous frauds that they are.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 27, 2016 01:28 PM (5JBUT)

301 Hillarys Pyrrhic Victory

I prefer Hillary's Sapphic victories.

Posted by: Huma at September 27, 2016 01:29 PM (WlGX+)

302 You gonna get your mind right. You will be made to care.

Posted by: The Global Elite at September 27, 2016 01:29 PM (ndGCC)

303 We all hear and see different things. Maybe opinion makers listen for debating points because they were taught to listen for debating points in school and evaluate a performance on that basis. The public is not obliged to recognize those rules.
For instance, the thing I most strongly remember from the debate was the "Fact check! Fact check!" refrain. I think it was supposed to sound commanding. Instead, it sounded sad, tired, old, cliche, more like "I've fallen in the polls and I can't get up: Help me! Help me!"

Posted by: Shropshirelad at September 27, 2016 01:29 PM (7bP7O)

304 >>You and your husband made hundreds of millions of dollars after leaving the White House. What product were you selling?


Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2016 01:29 PM (NOIQH)

305
RUDYUS NEWYORKUS - Win the Crowd. Then.... you will win your freedom.

TRUMPUS MAXIMUS - I will win the crowd. I will give them something that they've never seen before.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 27, 2016 01:30 PM (8XRCm)

306 Here's the campaign ending question for Hillary Clinton:

"Secretary Clinton, are you in favor of black reparations?"

Posted by: vivi at September 27, 2016 01:30 PM (11H2y)

307 Reparations? Like with a hammer?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at September 27, 2016 01:30 PM (WlGX+)

308
I don't think Hillz took a drink of water at all last night, did she? Swallowing issues, maybe?
Posted by: Deplorable McIrredeemableface at September 27, 2016 01:14 PM (xujbM)


Trump did,but I think it was because Kelly Ann told him everytime you want to blurt out something take a drink of water to calm down.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 27, 2016 01:30 PM (lKyWE)

309 To see the Matrix, you actually have to escape the Matrix.



Posted by: Ace at 12:38 PM



And one of the ways you do that is by saying bye bye to TV.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 27, 2016 12:43 PM (Idu2i)


Heh. Reminds me the Vietnamese math prof I had for 2nd-year calculus. He kept going on and on about "mattresses".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2016 01:31 PM (o9m/V)

310 My Matrix experience is that now I notice how many whites, blacks, latinos, gays, etc etc etc are present in any given situation. I hate that about myself. I'm trying to deprogram myself from it.

It's something that I never thought about say, oh, eight years ago. I just noticed "people." Now, I actively notice "types" and it makes me sick to do so.



Now I notice types, where exits are located, protecting my carry "side".

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 01:31 PM (ApT0U)

311 >> "Secretary Clinton, are you in favor of black
>> reparations?"

Oh yes, yes please yes.

Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2016 01:31 PM (TppKb)

312 "But it just goes to show winning debates is not the same as winning elections.

I honestly don't know what the point of debates is.

Just to hear how people jab at each other? Soundbites?

Something for pundits to get clicks talking about?

All I know is exposing Hillary to sunlight has to hurt her every time. "

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I'm starting to think that it's a ritual for the media and nothing else.

The old town halls with the two candidates and only the people who asked questions seemed more informative and genuine.

Posted by: Decaf at September 27, 2016 01:32 PM (8zHLN)

313 Just because you know the Matrix exists does not mean you can see the Matrix.

To see the Matrix, you actually have to escape the Matrix.

You have to purge the Matrix from your brain.


Ace, I'm SO on board with you and Breitbart regarding this.

It infuriates and depresses me to no end that just about everyone, even "conservatives," unwittingly accept the Leftist Frame of the universe.

Best example?

The word "capitalism."

Listen to me, people:

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "CAPITALISM."

It is an insult-word INVENTED by Karl Marx and a lesser-known 1850s communist named Louis Blanc.

But the early communists needed a strawman bugbear to hold up as the oppositional villain to communism. So they coined a word to mean "the way things are and always have been," which they then derided as evil and artificial.

But from the earliest recorded history up until 1854, people just did whatever the hell they wanted to stay alive, an naturally-occurring economic system and free exchange and trade that had no label because it didn't NEED a label.

"Capitalism" exists in the same way that "evolution" exists: just natural inexorable processes that arise without conscious organization.

It is actually COMMUNISM and SOCIALISM which are completely artificial and must be imposed against people's wills.

But Marx and Blanc came up with the Big Lie that communism was the natural state of affairs on Earth and that the pre-existing economic landscape was what was "artificially imposed." And they needed a name for this Tool of Oppression, and they dubbed it Capitalism.

Fast forward 160 years of relentlss indoctrination and now EVEN ANTI-COMMUNISTS think that there are two "economic systems" ion opposition to each other, and we must choose between them.

NO THERE ISN'T!!!

There is natural undirected reality, and then there is coercive control of people's behavior. These are not equal, nor are the equivalent-but-opposed states of being.

FREE YOUR MINDS, goddamn it! Stop using their frames, everyone!

Posted by: zombie at September 27, 2016 01:32 PM (jBuUi)

314 It comes down to a businessman Vs. a politician. I don't know if Hillary realized this fact last night.

Posted by: USNtakim at September 27, 2016 01:32 PM (hMqvx)

315 The question "Who won the debate?" itself is a Matrix question, you know.

Posted by: FireHorse at September 27, 2016 01:32 PM (VDlGs)

316 The tax returns back and forth was bad for Trump and it went downhill from there. It looked like he was hiding something for sure. He should release them today.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 27, 2016 01:33 PM (UBzPO)

317 238 Rev told me this morning that Trump did horrible. Just awful. He was extremely agitated because he is fully on board the Trump Train. I didn't watch it so I don't know.
Posted by: grammie winger, redeemed remnant at September 27, 2016 01:19 PM (DLIpz)

My husband watched and said Trump was great. He watched the GOP debates, was so turned off by Trump he wasn't gonna vote, or was gonna vote GJ. Now he's probably voting Trump.

I think Trump's job last night was to prove he could deal with Hillary's canned attacks and not blow up, and he did that. I watched MNF lol. But my Berner friends on Twitter thought he kicked Hildabeast's ass. FWIW

Posted by: Bernette at September 27, 2016 01:34 PM (ru2SK)

318 Passion = typos.

Posted by: zombie at September 27, 2016 01:34 PM (jBuUi)

319 Here's the story of a lovely lady...

Posted by: Crusader at September 27, 2016 01:34 PM (ewSN2)

320 It's something that I never thought about say, oh, eight years ago. I just noticed "people." Now, I actively notice "types" and it makes me sick to do so.



Now I notice types, where exits are located, protecting my carry "side".

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 01:31 PM (ApT0U)

My Lady and I have been dating for a year this week...

She will actively ask which side I want to sit on... because of the whole scan the room back to the wall thing...

She's a keeper...

Posted by: Don Q. at September 27, 2016 01:34 PM (qf6WZ)

321 The tax returns back and forth was bad for Trump and it went downhill from there. It looked like he was hiding something for sure. He should release them today.
**************

Thanks for this, check's in the mail!

Posted by: George Soros at September 27, 2016 01:34 PM (5JBUT)

322 Soros' "brain trust" is hard at work today.

Posted by: mrp at September 27, 2016 01:35 PM (JBggj)

323 You know who doesn't watch debates?

Black voters.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2016 01:35 PM (39g3+)

324
The tax returns back and forth was bad for Trump and it went downhill from there. It looked like he was hiding something for sure. He should release them today.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 27, 2016 01:33 PM (UBzPO)


I don't think people care as much about his tax returns as they did with Romney's,

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 27, 2016 01:35 PM (lKyWE)

325 The tax returns back and forth was bad for Trump and it went downhill from there. It looked like he was hiding something for sure. He should release them today.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 27, 2016 01:33 PM (UBzPO)




Not as badly as the 30,000+ "deleted" emails went for Hillary.

It looked like she was hiding something for sure.

She should release those today!

Posted by: naturalfake at September 27, 2016 01:35 PM (0cMkb)

326 Regarding all the "Trump has said mean things!" attack, I just don't understand why Trump can't look into the camera and say he was an entertainer on a popular reality show, and reality shows are about shock value.

And also, he doesn't choose employees based on how many lemonades they sell or whatever cheezy contest they had on the Apprentice.

It seems such an easy way to dismiss this.

Posted by: Maritime at September 27, 2016 01:35 PM (2JFSt)

327 316 The tax returns back and forth was bad for Trump and it went downhill from there. It looked like he was hiding something for sure. He should release them today.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 27, 2016 01:33 PM (UBzPO)

And prove the Media can bully him?

He made the deal... said he'd release his tax returns when Hillary released the 33K emails...

Posted by: Don Q. at September 27, 2016 01:36 PM (qf6WZ)

328 He should release them today.

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He should release them AFTER Hillary comes up with 30,000 emails.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 27, 2016 01:36 PM (8XRCm)

329 What line do you think will get more play:

"You've been at this for 30 years and you're just now thinking about it?"

"Trumped-up trickle-down economics."

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 27, 2016 01:36 PM (e2Rx3)

330 I've been assembling these question for the last 4 years ...


Questions we need to ask Presidential candidates:



Describe your vision of America. What part can you bring about ?



The courts have said I can have privacy in all matters where I can
expect privacy. When can I expect privacy ?



Who are the "middle class" ? Be specific



Do you have any "executive experience" ? How big was this organization
(people/revenues) ?



What kind of grades did you get in school for "working well with others" ?



As far as I know there is no official definition and I've been told in
some languages it is just not defined, so please .. define "fair"



Please define "infrastructure"



What was the hardest non-governmental job you have ever had ?



Are you a "victim" ? If so, why should anybody ever elect a "victim" as
President and Leader of the Free World ?



Describe all the parts of the "Obama Doctrine"



Explain how President Obama's "Iran Deal" doesn't undermine the
fundamental soundness of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty by having
the Security Council allow a signing state to ignore the provisions and
continue to enrich.



How important are "renewables", such as ethanol and bio-mass, to
"sustainability" in your administration's climate policy ?

(This is a trick question because most sustainability efforts involve
continued use of carbon-based energy whose production and use have an
even larger carbon footprint)



Explain the difference between Quds and Scuds.



What is your plan to deal with a Higgs Boson disaster ?



Are there any assurances that appear to have been inferred or implied
during the campaign that you feel you won't be able to back up with
action once in office ?



When should you and your staff be held responsible, and what form would
"being held responsible" take ?



Posted by: undocumented analysis at September 27, 2016 01:36 PM (e8kgV)

331 What hump?

Posted by: Igor Stravinsky at September 27, 2016 01:36 PM (IqV8l)

332 FREE YOUR MINDS, goddamn it! Stop using their frames, everyone!
Posted by: zombie at September 27, 2016 01:32 PM (jBuUi)

This is very important.

But it does have consequences and is not easy.

It is worth it.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 27, 2016 01:36 PM (nF4Bw)

333 What was it Rush, said something like; he knew Romney was toast when exit polls showed a large percent of the voters said that Obama cared more about them. I think more people seem to think that about Trump as well. He certainly speaks more to that than Clinton.

Posted by: Javems at September 27, 2016 01:36 PM (yOqwj)

334 Worst part of the leftist matrix, of course:

Well, I was going to say the smell, but really, everything about the leftist matrix sux ballz.

Posted by: Smith at September 27, 2016 01:36 PM (TOk1P)

335
***fistbumps Don Q

Posted by: fixerupper at September 27, 2016 01:36 PM (8XRCm)

336 FREE YOUR MINDS, goddamn it! Stop using their frames, everyone!
Posted by: zombie at September 27, 2016 01:32 PM (jBuUi)


Nice rant! I seem to recall Reagan tending to use the terms "free enterprise" and "free markets" more so than "capitalism."

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 27, 2016 01:37 PM (fgOnp)

337 The question "Who won the debate?" itself is a Matrix question, you know.


I think I know what this means and I think I agree with it.

Posted by: eleven at September 27, 2016 01:37 PM (qUNWi)

338 If he wins (please God) he will have exposed the political consultant class that says you must have X amount of media buys, you must talk a certain way, you must be like a scholar in a debate, etc all for the outrageous frauds that they are.

And in addition, I hope he strangles the meme that we have to be politically correct to win elections. We've been gentlemenned into chains, to verb a noun. Screw that noise. D's are complete assholes in pursuit of power, we should act exactly the same way.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 27, 2016 01:37 PM (SeD0w)

339 This is what a real, actual debate looks like. Granted, it involves 4 people I loathe (Ben Domenich, Jennifer Rubin, Timothy Carney and Bret Stephens) and granted the topic is: Resolved: Trump is a Horrible Monster but Whose Fault is It?

But it is an actual, by the rules debate, and a penetrating look into the minds of the elites. (BTW, I agreed with the decision on the winners)


http://www.intelligencesquaredus.org/debates/blame-elites-trump-phenomenon

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at September 27, 2016 01:37 PM (WlGX+)

340 Miss me yet?

Posted by: Jeb! at September 27, 2016 01:37 PM (V+C3K)

341 So SUCK IT, liberals!

Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2016 01:37 PM (6xtq3)

342 314 It comes down to a businessman Vs. a politician. I don't know if Hillary realized this fact last night.

Posted by: USNtakim at September 27, 2016 01:32 PM (hMqvx)

And Trump drove that point home.

FAB said absolutely nothing of substance all night.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 27, 2016 01:38 PM (/D5Lf)

343 "Just because you know the Matrix exists does not mean you can see the Matrix.
To see the Matrix, you actually have to escape the Matrix.
You have to purge the Matrix from your brain."

I've been calling it The Borg -- an unholy alliance of BigGov, MSM and Academia, which is melding. Some members of BigBiz are already a part of the this, and are increasingly aligning with the Cultural Left.

There's a lot of GroupThink in The Borg, which explains why supposedly over-educated people can believe in CAGW as gospel truth.

The Borg is over-represented in Hillary's Deep Blue redoubts, less so in the rest of the country.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 01:38 PM (r1fLd)

344 Repeating the same scripted excuse 4 times in a row, poorly, just sounded bad.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 27, 2016 01:38 PM (UBzPO)

345 I think Scott Adams is right (from his analysis of the debate on his blog): "By tomorrow, no one will remember what either of them said during the debate. But we will remember how they made us feel. "

Hillary doesn't make anybody feel good. Trump might make you chuckle.

Posted by: not the mama at September 27, 2016 01:38 PM (K1CUM)

346 The Beast at a rally on FNC right now. Other than the payed shriekers, no one behind her seems too excited about what she's saying.

Posted by: Soona at September 27, 2016 01:38 PM (Fmupd)

347
You know who doesn't watch debates?

Black voters.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2016 01:35 PM (39g3+)
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Heh, I didn't think it was my business to weigh in since I didn't watch last night, so I deleted a post on that very thing. How did last night help Hillary on her disaster areas -- defecting minorities, and millenials staring at massive Obamacare premiums?

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 01:38 PM (oGNNA)

348 this is a good song too.

funny how you forget about stuff like this until you
hear it again and remember.

Posted by: concrete girl at September 27, 2016 01:38 PM (0oKUN)

349 Where Hillary lost it in last night's debate?

When she mentioned "solar panels".

Posted by: mrp at September 27, 2016 01:38 PM (JBggj)

350 "You claimed to be named after Sir Edmund Hillary. What were you smoking when you uttered this?"


"You claimed to have landed amid sniper fire. WTF?"

Would the 12 year old rape victim that you abused agree that you "did it for the children?"

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 27, 2016 01:39 PM (326rv)

351 Payed = paid

Posted by: Soona at September 27, 2016 01:39 PM (Fmupd)

352 Repeating the same scripted excuse 4 times in a row, poorly, just sounded bad.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 27, 2016 01:38 PM (UBzPO)



Thank you for your concern.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 27, 2016 01:39 PM (0cMkb)

353 What could he be hiding. He's been audited continuous for many many years. I do not hold his success against him. He may have not payed enough taxes or given enough to charity to satisfy the left. He's not done anything illegal or we would have been informed over and over and over... screw the left.

Posted by: USNtakim at September 27, 2016 01:39 PM (hMqvx)

354 The Beast at a rally on FNC right now. Other than the payed shriekers, no one behind her seems too excited about what she's saying.

Posted by: Soona at September 27, 2016 01:38 PM (Fmupd)



There is one white guy behind her left shoulder in the blue shirt who looks just so giddy to be there. I wonder what his problem is?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 27, 2016 01:39 PM (493sH)

355 Because people less colonized by parasitic, invasive leftist memes might have seen this show differently than you did.

Just because you know the Matrix exists does not mean you can see the Matrix.

To see the Matrix, you actually have to escape the Matrix.

You have to purge the Matrix from your brain.


good points, all

Think about what state you live in. If you live in California, you are saturated with Hollywood. Saturated. Saturated with fads and trends. Saturated, that it becomes who you are. What you think.

Then move to another state not California. Bam! Mindshift.

When the media and the left and Hollywood call people stupid, or the cliche-ridden "Middle America" or "Flyover Country" or "Clings to their Guns and Religion," what are they are they really saying?

You're not like them. You never lived in their matrix. You have your own ideas formed and based on your own lives and your community and what you live and breath each day, like family for instance.

This is one reason why I don't believe in forced city dwelling (to reduce energy or whatever excuse they use to try to force everyone into the city and destroy suburban America). The brainwashing will be complete, but not just that. People will not only not be able to think for themselves, but innovation and new ideas and time to think will cease to exist outside the city box.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 27, 2016 01:39 PM (qCMvj)

356 I said this last year and I think its still true.

Hillary knows she's not going to get Obama level turnout from blacks. That's not in her strategy. Her plan is simple:

-Win her base of Democrats and assorted leftists
-Win women, particularly Republican women in at least a large minority
-Win quislings and RINOs in the GOP base

That's enough to pull her over the top.

The problem is, Stein and Johnson are pulling from her base, and her antics with Bernie have enraged the younger voters. So she can't count on that. She's losing black votes to Trump; no one is even sure how many but at least some. So this simple strategy is wobbling and I have no idea how this will turn out. I still see Hillary winning, but she looks really shaky right now.

The debates are just a side show, meant to give Hillary voters some hope and enthusiasm.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2016 01:40 PM (39g3+)

357 And did she say Americans, personally and individually, need to be nicer?
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 12:45 PM


Isn't that what we have Canadians for?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 27, 2016 01:40 PM (V+C3K)

358 Miss me yet?

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Posted by: Jeb! at September 27, 2016 01:37 PM (V+C3K)


lulz

Posted by: eleven at September 27, 2016 01:40 PM (qUNWi)

Posted by: eleven at September 27, 2016 01:40 PM (qUNWi)

360 Repeating the same scripted line of shit, typical troll.

Posted by: Haven in Hartford at September 27, 2016 01:40 PM (326rv)

361 Sigh. Hotlines are now open.

Posted by: The AoSHQ Concern Desk at September 27, 2016 01:41 PM (Tyii7)

362 349
Where Hillary lost it in last night's debate?

When she mentioned "solar panels".


Posted by: mrp at September 27, 2016 01:38 PM (JBggj)

for me it was when she said all law enforcement is racist and all Americans are racist

Posted by: phoenixgirl, deplorable is better than despicable at September 27, 2016 01:41 PM (0O7c5)

363 Thanks for this, check's in the mail!

Posted by: George Soros at September 27, 2016 01:34 PM (5JBUT)

The whole "he must be a paid troll because he's pointing out a negative!" tripe was already tired and lazy several months ago.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 27, 2016 01:41 PM (UBzPO)

364 I think the ship sailed on the tax return thing and now it would look weak to release.

Personally, whatever hits you take from whats in that tax return is pretty menial than just releasing it.

Same with hillary and the whole email fiasco. Had she just taken her lumps she would be cruising right now into the White House.

I don't think Romney gained anything by keeping those tax returns either.

Posted by: Maritime at September 27, 2016 01:41 PM (2JFSt)

365 The problem is, Stein and Johnson are pulling from her base, and her antics with Bernie have enraged the younger voters. So she can't count on that. She's losing black votes to Trump; no one is even sure how many but at least some. So this simple strategy is wobbling and I have no idea how this will turn out. I still see Hillary winning, but she looks really shaky right now.

The debates are just a side show, meant to give Hillary voters some hope and enthusiasm.

She has three people to her left, two of whom are running.

This can't be said enough.

Posted by: Haven in Hartford at September 27, 2016 01:41 PM (326rv)

366 "We must work and play well with others."

Elect me your President

Posted by: Long smiling Hillary at September 27, 2016 01:42 PM (EnGQE)

367 "Indeed, while polls said that Clinton won the first general election
debate with Donald Trump Monday, she may not have won actual votes."

This right here is why the media gets outraged when reality punches them in the face. Then they do silly things like claim stolen elections.

EARTH TO MEDIA:

Just because you engineer a poll to provide a desired outcome of YOUR choosing doesn't mean it reflects actual voter concerns.

Posted by: melodicmetal at September 27, 2016 01:42 PM (7XY13)

368 Not good enough, eleven!

Posted by: The Barrel at September 27, 2016 01:42 PM (mgbwf)

369
The debates are just a side show, meant to give Hillary voters some hope and enthusiasm.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2016 01:40 PM (39g3+)
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Hillary is this election's Romney.

(Trying it on for size)

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 01:42 PM (oGNNA)

370 Thanks for this, check's in the mail!

Posted by: George Soros at September 27, 2016 01:34 PM (5JBUT)

The whole "he must be a paid troll because he's pointing out a negative!" tripe was already tired and lazy several months ago.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 27, 2016 01:41 PM (UBzPO)



But, that doesn't make it not true.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 27, 2016 01:42 PM (0cMkb)

371 Presidential candidates tax returns are one of my vote/no vote issues. Who I support hinges on if they have released them and what is in them. Because in the end, does not that affect our daily lives.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 27, 2016 01:42 PM (/D5Lf)

372 Hillarys Pyrrhic Victory

Posted by: fixerupper at September 27, 2016 01:27 PM (8XRCm)



Oh, my mom always made tuna casserole in Pyrrhic.


It tasted like... victory.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 27, 2016 01:43 PM (TOk1P)

373 That whole, "I don't give a flying fuck about tens of thousands of e-mails from when the Beast was SoS while I echo 'Daddy' Reid" is rather tedious.

Posted by: Haven in Hartford at September 27, 2016 01:43 PM (326rv)

374 Regarding black voters, it's clear both of them have data showing they are in play.


I just personally never believe it and would not pander to much to that group at the expense of working class white voters that I do believe are in play.

Posted by: Maritime at September 27, 2016 01:43 PM (2JFSt)

375 BUCKETS OF BLOOD!!

BUCKETS OF BLOOOOD!!!

Posted by: Glennn Beck at September 27, 2016 01:43 PM (FyuAv)

376 If Hillary brings up Trump's taxes at the next debate, I want him to answer with something like the following: "What exactly do you expect I'm hiding in my taxes? It must be pretty important for you to keep making an issue out of it. If you don't have a specific infraction, then you're just a conspiracy theorist. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised. It wouldn't be the first conspiracy you started about an opposing candidate."

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 27, 2016 01:43 PM (KUaJL)

377 There is one white guy behind her left shoulder in the blue shirt who looks just so giddy to be there. I wonder what his problem is?




He was promised a ride on the Sybian.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 01:43 PM (ApT0U)

378 I keep watching the people behind her. One chick acts like she might be one of our concern trolls.

Posted by: Soona at September 27, 2016 01:43 PM (Fmupd)

379 >> -Win her base of Democrats and assorted leftists
>> Win women, particularly Republican women in at

No, she's not gonna pull more than the nugatory Bill Kristol RINOs.

Her whole thing is minorities, single women, and the occasional college-educated male prepared to forget everything he learned in school about ethics.

That's her base, and she has to get every last one of them.

Which is why the reparations question would be so wonderful, if she answers no she pisses off the Free Shit Blacks, if she answers yes she loses non-blacks (and, to be fair, probably some African immigrants too.)

Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2016 01:43 PM (TppKb)

380

Hillary didn't win last night.

I think it was a draw tbh. And uncomfortable for all viewing.

But I do think Trump made some inroads for himself personally. Nothing changed about Hillary.

When Hillary continued to call Trump racist, this wasn't going to reach the "educated" class, I don't believe. It was too transparent, too obvious. And Trump did make a small dent in the black community with his approach to meeting with them, talking to them, and discussing how badly they have been treated. Hillary had no come back to that at all.

She was all negative.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 27, 2016 01:43 PM (qCMvj)

381 Was never a fan of tuna casserole until recently.

Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2016 01:44 PM (6xtq3)

382 Come on you all, "Trumped-up trickle-down economics" is all anyone is talking about today.

You know, one of those "points" Hillary won on . . . .

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 27, 2016 01:44 PM (e2Rx3)

383 Ace, I am so glad you are back in the fight. Your insightfullness of how things really are is sharper than ever. You must have taken the red pill.

Posted by: PhilDayton at September 27, 2016 01:44 PM (eFytx)

384 354, that giddy guy is on the same meds she was last night

Posted by: Patrick Henry at September 27, 2016 01:44 PM (a7IXj)

385 Sigh. Hotlines are now open.


Posted by: The AoSHQ Concern Desk at September 27, 2016 01:41 PM (Tyii7)



Unless you are a Veteran. In which case, please hold.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 27, 2016 01:44 PM (TOk1P)

386
OT



Why havent we heard what Nathan DeSai, Nazi lawyer shooter, wrote in his swastika covered notebook

Posted by: ThunderB at September 27, 2016 01:44 PM (BkJzF)

387 >> He was promised a ride on the Sybian.

He's probably got the control for her eye-straightening rectal compressed air blast.

Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2016 01:45 PM (TppKb)

388 Not good enough, eleven!


He's out back shootin hoops.

Posted by: Not that guy at September 27, 2016 01:45 PM (qUNWi)

389 People have heard all these non-responsive no-answer evasions before, and I don't think they're more impressed with them on the umpteenth repetition.

Ace, you're right here. And, I'd add: its boring. She's boring. And boring = TL;DR. Hillary is dull as paint drying and people just stop listening to that. So you don't get any "points" for that. Its background noise. People were watching for two things:

Trump goes orange ballistic
Hillary shows signs of horrible health.

They got neither.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2016 01:45 PM (39g3+)

390 Is it bad to hope that if Trump wins, we'll see Lester Holt hustled off in a car like Tessio in The Godfather?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 27, 2016 01:46 PM (4ErVI)

391 It was funny that Hillary thought the "Trumped-up trickle down economics" was some fierce body blow.

The concept of trickle down economics can probably only be properly explained by about 2% of the population.

Posted by: Maritime at September 27, 2016 01:46 PM (2JFSt)

392 @252 I watched zero post debate spin, I went to bed immediately after, and had contemplated going to bed before it was over. My wife fell asleep last 20 minutes.

I was pretty surprised to see a lot of this and then talking to people not all Trump supporters, that thought he didn't lose or if he did it was close.
...
Will be really interesting to see where the polling goes. What a wacky election.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at September 27, 2016 01:21 PM (Uy8SG)




I suspect that we're seeing the Usual Suspects Who Never Get Tired of Being Wrong doing their thing again. But you never know.

That being said, after the last two elections, I have lost any confidence that the American voter has any sense at all, or has enough pro-American patriotism left to save us.

I don't have a lot of faith in the polls, either, or in the integrity of the voting system. Trump overperformed vs polls in the primaries, but maybe things are different this time.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 01:46 PM (EnK/R)

393
Not good enough, eleven!





He's out back shootin hoops.

Posted by: Not that guy at September 27, 2016 01:45 PM


Yeah, well, barrels have hoops, too. Get in mah belleh!

Posted by: The Barrel at September 27, 2016 01:46 PM (bzd8I)

394 Trump's most resonating statement was when he pointed out that Hillary has had 30 years to get these things done, but hasn't.

How can she argue with that?

For me, that really summed it up.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at September 27, 2016 01:47 PM (wgFcF)

395 It's highly likely that Trump's tax returns show a quite low marginal rate because of legal tax deductions for property depreciation and the like. This often goes along with being in the real estate business. The trade-off is that real estate operators usually pay a boatload of local property taxes.

Tax returns probably won't show his net worth well either. One of the advantages to real estate is to defer gains as you let your holdings appreciate.

We're never going to see Trump's returns before the election. We may see some or all of Hillary's 33,000 deleted e-mails, but we won't get then from Hillary.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 01:47 PM (r1fLd)

396 Why havent we heard what Nathan DeSai, Nazi lawyer shooter, wrote in his swastika covered notebook

Posted by: ThunderB at September 27, 2016 01:44 PM (BkJzF)




It's probably page after page of:

"I heart Hillary! I heart Hillary! I heart Hillary!"

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at September 27, 2016 01:47 PM (uiwCw)

397 "Capitalism" exists in the same way that "evolution" exists: just natural inexorable processes that arise without conscious organization.

It is actually COMMUNISM and SOCIALISM which are completely artificial and must be imposed against people's wills.

Posted by: zombie at September 27, 2016 01:32
________

People are afraid of socialism because of all the propaganda from the capitalists.

Posted by: WaterCow at September 27, 2016 01:47 PM (VDlGs)

398 Instead of psychobabble, Hillary is a master at polibabble. She can drone on like a dentist's drill in her say-nothing speeches for hours.

Posted by: kathysaysso at September 27, 2016 01:48 PM (43OZ6)

399 Was never a fan of tuna casserole until recently.

Someone was talking about the healing power of cream of mushroom soup ("Lutheran binder") the other day and I flashed back to the tuna casseroles of my youth.

Haven't had one in near 50 years but suddenly I wanted some.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 27, 2016 01:48 PM (mgbwf)

400 >> Is it bad to hope that if Trump wins, we'll see
>> Lester Holt hustled off in a car like Tessio in The
>> Godfather?

I think that's unlikely, but Trump naming Myron Ebell as his EPA transition lead left me dancing on tippie-toes yesterday.

I want half the cabinet departments to have one of those "Look to your left. Now look to your right. One of you won't be here tomorrow. Oh, and we'll have another meeting next month."

Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2016 01:48 PM (TppKb)

401 "345 I think Scott Adams is right (from his analysis of the debate on his blog): "By tomorrow, no one will remember what either of them said during the debate. But we will remember how they made us feel. "

Hillary doesn't make anybody feel good. Trump might make you chuckle.
Posted by: not the mama at September 27, 2016 01:38 PM (K1CUM)"

I already don't remember, all I remember is I was annoyed Trump missed a few opportunities, and he had her on the ropes with the trade stuff, and Holt let her off the hook. Also no follow up allwoed on Blumenthal accusation, which I felt was malpractice on Holt's part.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at September 27, 2016 01:48 PM (Uy8SG)

402 Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 27, 2016 01:38 PM (UBzPO)

Dude, you should get your ass down to the river. I hear BLM is going to pull down the Andrew Jackson statue. Soon. You should get down there. Seriously. Leave.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 27, 2016 01:48 PM (SeD0w)

403 So I would just suggest to the Chattering Classes and the Twitterati:


Just watch plenty of late night clapter-vision. It'll stroke your sweet-spot. Which is all you want anyway.

Posted by: Roy at September 27, 2016 01:49 PM (VndSC)

404 "Trickle Down" economics is an epithet, not a descriptor. It's used by useless half-wits.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 27, 2016 01:50 PM (VdICR)

405 New to the horde so hope all of you will find me deplorable enough to join you. Anyway, here if my input for today. I drove around 10 miles around my area in NE suburb of Phila (Montgomery County). This was a route I frequently drove in 2008 and 2012 (retired now) and being a political junkie I would make a note of presidential signage. In 2008 I saw 20 Obama signs for every 6 for McCain. In 2012 there were about 16 Obama for every 8 Romney. Today, amazingly, I saw only 1 large Trump sign outside a car parts business and only 1 Hillary on a lawn. That is it- lack of enthusiasm or fear to put signs out. Thoughts?

Posted by: areswomen at September 27, 2016 01:50 PM (GjEiU)

406 391 It was funny that Hillary thought the "Trumped-up trickle down economics" was some fierce body blow.

The concept of trickle down economics can probably only be properly explained by about 2% of the population.
Posted by: Maritime


Nice example.

"Trickle-down economics" is exactly like the fake coined-word "capitalism" -- a insulting epithet used to describe the natural state of affairs.

However, unlike "capitalism," a term that has successfully colonized our minds, "tickle-down economics" is a phrase now only remembered by left-wing '80s history geeks.

So in saying it, Hillary was imply appealing to her core base -- grey-haired former '70s hippies who are still sad about Reagan getting elected. No one else even knows what the hell she was talking about.

Posted by: zombie at September 27, 2016 01:51 PM (jBuUi)

407 Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 27, 2016 01:48 PM (mgbwf)
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I saw that comment, too. I am a big fan of CoM soup.

Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2016 01:51 PM (6xtq3)

408 Yeah, they're trying to make that trumped up trickle down bullshit happen.

It's not working. She's not charming enough to sell it. She was at her most robotic when she said it, and it was clearly something she'd practiced a LOT. It's exactly the sort of plastic, cheese whiz sound bites that the media loves, and the normal people roll their eyes at.

Posted by: Scout at September 27, 2016 01:51 PM (ukad2)

409 "Dude, you should get your ass down to the river. I
hear BLM is going to pull down the Andrew Jackson statue. Soon. You
should get down there. Seriously. Leave.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 27, 2016 01:48 PM (SeD0w)"
Fine. Great blog this has turned into Ace!

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 27, 2016 01:51 PM (UBzPO)

410 Aren't you the one who was asking how LIVs reacted last night? See #97.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 01:28 PM (oGNNA)


Got it. Thanks! It was all the way back last night so I forgot.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 01:52 PM (cPsPa)

411 I hate whenever Hillary mentions "trickle-down" anything.

Check her Depends.

Posted by: Roy at September 27, 2016 01:52 PM (VndSC)

412 This is one reason why I don't believe in forced city dwelling (to reduce energy or whatever excuse they use to try to force everyone into the city and destroy suburban America). The brainwashing will be complete, but not just that. People will not only not be able to think for themselves, but innovation and new ideas and time to think will cease to exist outside the city box.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 27, 2016 01:39 PM (qCMvj)



Why are all the companies creating and pushing remote working solutions based in Silicon Valley? (Yes, I know that's not 100% true but you know what I mean) If it is better to work remotely, why aren't you doing so?


No one can see the water in which they swim and that includes me. Whatever your subculture, you think that is normal. For example, it's normal to me that I more or less do not register Halloween as a holiday. In the subculture in which I was raised, it was Satanic and evil and you ignore it. It's not until you take a step sideways that you realize your normal is very strange to others.

That's what drives me up a wall about the stress on multiculturalism and empathy by those who have no idea the true meaning of the terms. The notion that other cultures do things differently and it behooves an educated person to be interested in and attempt to understand (which is not accept) that culture is a fundamental building block of being a knowledgeable adult. Empathy requires recognition that you are not the center of the Universe and your manner of viewing the world is not the only one.

Smart people don't all work in cities and have advanced degrees from an Ivy League college. Common sense is not limited to blue collar workers from the Rust Belt who barely graduated from high school and have never traveled out of state.

Viva la difference.

Posted by: alexthechick - unskewed at September 27, 2016 01:52 PM (mf5HN)

413 Someone was talking about the healing power of cream of mushroom soup ("Lutheran binder") the other day and I flashed back to the tuna casseroles of my youth.

Haven't had one in near 50 years but suddenly I wanted some.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 27, 2016 01:48 PM (mgbwf)



Ain't that the truth. I make a stupid Pyrrhic/Pyrex joke, and suddenly I'm eyeballing my fat free yogurt with disdain.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 27, 2016 01:52 PM (TOk1P)

414 406 "tickle-down economics"
Posted by: zombie


Sometimes, even I like my typos better than the real word!

Posted by: zombie at September 27, 2016 01:52 PM (jBuUi)

415
We're never going to see Trump's returns before the election. We may see some or all of Hillary's 33,000 deleted e-mails, but we won't get then from Hillary.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 01:47 PM (r1fLd)


When Clinton hits him on releasing his taxes he should respond with her Wall Street speeches and releasing the complete list of Clinton Foundation donors.The e-mails are not hers to release and its too easy for her to dodge.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 27, 2016 01:52 PM (lKyWE)

416 Anecdotally (see how that ties into the main post?) I have noticed a lot of women on social media talking about how they want to vote for Hillary over health care. "My son is sick I need her to be in so he can get care."

I haven't asked any of them but... wasn't that was Obamacare was supposed to do?

I mean, I know that Trump does turn at least some women off -- they don't trust him at all -- and I know that at least some women are fixated on government as nurturing protector, but what is Hillary going to do to make that different?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2016 01:53 PM (39g3+)

417 You want to purge the matrix? Minimize your exposure to the pop culture. I tuned out over 30 years ago, longer than Ace has been alive. Sure you will miss the occasional important item, but most of what you miss you will learn later if it is important enough info. I found that most of things that I did miss, I did not need to know immediately. Now for those things I need to know now, the internet alerts me soon enough to tune-in via the internet. Prime example, I did not watch the debate. Nothing that happens at the debate is going to alter my vote. I already know the media will declare Hillary the winner. So I spent my time elsewhere.

Posted by: Locke Common at September 27, 2016 01:54 PM (9h4+/)

418 Breitbart has a headline that Ahmadinejad is declining to run for President.


Are the write-in opportunities down to Jon Huntsman now?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 27, 2016 01:54 PM (V+C3K)

419 @313 ... Ace, I'm SO on board with you and Breitbart regarding this.

It infuriates and depresses me to no end that just about everyone, even "conservatives," unwittingly accept the Leftist Frame of the universe.
...
Posted by: zombie at September 27, 2016 01:32 PM (jBuUi)




Indeed! But it's an interesting and generous point of view. I've been more Cynical, and simply assumed they were frauds.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 01:54 PM (EnK/R)

420 >> So in saying it, Hillary was imply appealing to her
>> core base -- grey-haired former '70s hippies who
>> are still sad about Reagan getting elected

So, in other words, 2/3 of the Democrat Congressional delegation.

Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2016 01:54 PM (TppKb)

421 Dude, you should get your ass down to the river. I hear BLM is going to pull down the Andrew Jackson statue. Soon. You should get down there. Seriously. Leave.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 27, 2016 01:48 PM (SeD0w)



I went to New Orleans because they said it was a chocolate city. All I got was fancy funnel cake and burnt coffee.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 27, 2016 01:54 PM (TOk1P)

422 Great blog this has turned into Ace!
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans

Demand that Ace release his tax returns. He'll adore you for it.

Posted by: Haven in Hartford at September 27, 2016 01:54 PM (326rv)

423 Posted by: areswomen at September 27, 2016 01:50 PM (GjEiU)

I say both....and welcome!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 27, 2016 01:55 PM (E8PzM)

424 Socialism and communism are different. Neither exists in America, but if socialism did exist here that would be a good thing but it doesn't. People call Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders "socialists" so other people would be afraid of them. That's the legacy of McCarthyism. All they want to do is end income inequality and provide free college educations. And free health care, too, and to get the rich to pay their fair share.

"From each according to his abilities, and to each according to his needs." There's nothing more American than this sentiment.

Posted by: WaterCow at September 27, 2016 01:55 PM (VDlGs)

425 My administration will stand for criminal justice reform and for demanding truth and reconciliation by whites toward African-American citizens.

Since one in three black males will be incarcerated at some point in their lives, my administration will seek to imprison one out three white males in order to achieve a racially just society.

The tremendous increase in prisons and law enforcement to accomplish this objective will provide millions of jobs and stimulate growth in our economy!

Posted by: Hillary, Talking Directly to White People at September 27, 2016 01:55 PM (fgOnp)

426 Iowahawk:

Nothing complements a 'Make America Great Again' hat like a 'No Fat Chicks' t-shirt

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 01:55 PM (r1fLd)

427 Ace,

You apparently didn't hear her brilliant discourse on cyber-security.

I'm Sold!!!

Posted by: Cheri at September 27, 2016 01:55 PM (oiNtH)

428 405 New to the horde so hope all of you will find me deplorable enough to join you. Anyway, here if my input for today. I drove around 10 miles around my area in NE suburb of Phila (Montgomery County). This was a route I frequently drove in 2008 and 2012 (retired now) and being a political junkie I would make a note of presidential signage. In 2008 I saw 20 Obama signs for every 6 for McCain. In 2012 there were about 16 Obama for every 8 Romney. Today, amazingly, I saw only 1 large Trump sign outside a car parts business and only 1 Hillary on a lawn. That is it- lack of enthusiasm or fear to put signs out. Thoughts?
Posted by: areswomen at September 27, 2016 01:50 PM (GjEiU)

---------------

Fear. No one wants broken windows or their cars keyed. Free speech isn't allowed in Fredo's Amerika.

Posted by: Soona at September 27, 2016 01:55 PM (Fmupd)

429 In fact I like soup in general. It drives WeaselWoman crazy but I sometimes have soup right out of the can (over the sink). Drives her NUTS.
Best soup I ever had was either a seafood gumbo in Mobile, AL or a seafood stew in Boothbay Harbor, ME.
Not sure what makes stew different from gumbo. They seem functionally equivalent.

Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2016 01:55 PM (6xtq3)

430 "tickle-down economics"
Posted by: zombie

Sometimes, even I like my typos better than the real word!

Posted by: zombie at September 27, 2016 01:52 PM (jBuUi)



Tickle-down economics. When you have so much money you can afford the fancy french whores.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 27, 2016 01:56 PM (TOk1P)

431 never had casseroles when I was a kid but saw an add for one on television a few years ago and had to make one. those casseroles with tuna will go with nearly anything. even things which are not allowed in chili, like carrots.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 01:56 PM (cPsPa)

432 Hillary Clinton is 10 day old ground beef that is now on SPECIAL!!!

Your first question is what's my other choice?

You will pick something different, as long as it isn't clearly worse.

That's a pretty low bar for a Trump victory, but I think its real.

Posted by: simplemind at September 27, 2016 01:56 PM (xVRrG)

433 Damn. Two embarrelings in one day.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 27, 2016 01:56 PM (V+C3K)

434 Trickle Down Economics is a term that resonates well with people who were Clinton voters the first time. With anyone younger than 40, its "what??" The term has no meaning. Its like complaining about Marthambles, nobody even has a clue what you're talking about.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2016 01:57 PM (39g3+)

435 Hate, hate, hate! cream of mushroom.

My favorite soup is Cream of Sum Yungai.

Posted by: Brokebarack Mountin' at September 27, 2016 01:57 PM (FyuAv)

436 313 spot on

Posted by: Grad School Fool at September 27, 2016 01:57 PM (swEzU)

437 Has Shrillz released her tax returns? I just don't give a crap about tax returns, his or hers. I wonder why he won't release his though. The audit excuse sounds weak.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 27, 2016 01:57 PM (6IPEM)

438 424 Socialism and communism are different. Neither exists in America, but if socialism did exist here that would be a good thing but it doesn't. People call Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders "socialists" so other people would be afraid of them. That's the legacy of McCarthyism. All they want to do is end income inequality and provide free college educations. And free health care, too, and to get the rich to pay their fair share.

"From each according to his abilities, and to each according to his needs." There's nothing more American than this sentiment.
Posted by: WaterCow


???

Satire?

If not, I really feel sorry for this person.

Posted by: zombie at September 27, 2016 01:57 PM (jBuUi)

439 Anecdotally (see how that ties into the main post?) I have noticed a lot of women on social media talking about how they want to vote for Hillary over health care. "My son is sick I need her to be in so he can get care."

I haven't asked any of them but... wasn't that was Obamacare was supposed to do?



Hammer. Them. Hard.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 01:57 PM (ApT0U)

440 I watched with some Democrats in my family last night. At one point when she was speaking they were throwing stuff at the tv. That's when their heads were not in their hands.

When it was all over one said she didn't bring home the pooty. Whatever that is.

She's really like King Midas. Except that everything she touches turned to shit.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 27, 2016 01:58 PM (XbPiz)

441 That is it- lack of enthusiasm or fear to put signs out. Thoughts?

I think yard signs in general are kind of relics. They don't change any minds, and are tells for your politics. Also, the last few cycles has seen people getting attacked for their politics. Violence is a real threat.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 27, 2016 01:58 PM (SeD0w)

442 Yeah, they're trying to make that trumped up trickle down bullshit happen.


Well, one, it's a lousy line. Nothing clever or natural about the flow.

Two, she just sorta threw it out there as if it was a "killer line" that would generate "Ahhs" and laughter.

It wasn't though Amy Schumer may use it.


Her other "killer line" got even worse treatment. It was the one about her taking the last 30 years to be ready or some such shit after Trump hit her pretty hard.

She just floated that out there like one of her sharts and it had about the same effect.

Although there were no asphyxiations involved.


Just a lousy terrible person and politician.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 27, 2016 01:58 PM (0cMkb)

443 430
Tickle-down economics. When you have so much money you can afford the fancy french whores.
Posted by: BurtTC


"Me employ you long time!"

Posted by: zombie at September 27, 2016 01:58 PM (jBuUi)

444 Posted by: sans_sheriff at September 27, 2016 01:01 PM (Ssh+t)

Really good analysis. Thanks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 27, 2016 01:59 PM (EnGQE)

445 Trump's sometimes un-eloquent arguments are heartfelt and sincere. He sees the dangers facing us today and is desperately trying to reach the final 10-15% of the country that still don't seem to get it. Next to the Automatron 10,000, Trump is real, flesh and bone and most importantly-sincere. Trump will win...BIGLY!!

Posted by: dananjcon at September 27, 2016 01:59 PM (NpXoL)

446 Socialism and communism are different. Neither exists in America, but if socialism did exist here that would be a good thing but it doesn't. People call Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders "socialists" so other people would be afraid of them. That's the legacy of McCarthyism. All they want to do is end income inequality and provide free college educations. And free health care, too, and to get the rich to pay their fair share.

"From each according to his abilities, and to each according to his needs." There's nothing more American than this sentiment.
Posted by: WaterCow at September 27, 2016 01:55 PM (VDlGs)




well, there is the forced nature of the equalization which is un American

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 01:59 PM (cPsPa)

447 Supposedly Trump was asked 15 direct questions by the moderator last night and Hillary only 2. The rest were general questions. That seems pretty targeted, if true.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2016 01:59 PM (39g3+)

448 "....things which are not allowed in chili, like carrots."

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 01:56 PM (cPsPa)
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and/or beans.

Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2016 01:59 PM (6xtq3)

449 All they want to do is end income inequality and provide free college educations. And free health care, too, and to get the rich to pay their fair share.



Working out great for us!

Posted by: Venezuela at September 27, 2016 01:59 PM (uiwCw)

450 Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 01:56 PM (cPsPa)

How did you avoid eating casserole beng reared in the area I think you were reared in?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 27, 2016 02:00 PM (E8PzM)

451 Trickle Down Economics

From the same overpaid, useless bitch that claimed poverty when they left the WH.

From the same (see above) that wore a $12,000 outfit while giving a speech about income inequality.

From the same (see above) tat takes $250,000 from colleges to whine about the cost of college.

What's next? She gonna talk about the importance of cyber security?

Posted by: Haven in Hartford at September 27, 2016 02:00 PM (326rv)

452 I think most dissapointing was that Trump didn't cash in on some really soft ball retorts. But you have to save for the next time I guess.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 27, 2016 02:00 PM (XbPiz)

453 Satire?

If not, I really feel sorry for this person.




Sock.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 02:00 PM (ApT0U)

454 The way to stress the bounds of the Matrix is test the premises. All premises, all the time. And test the premises in time and space.

We get ourselves caught up in shiboleths that are barnacles on our ability reason clearly.

Take for example, the premise that the UN is a good thing for me, my state, my country and the world. (Answer: in 1950: maybe; 2016: no) Is its absence worse than its existence. (In 2016: No)

Is immigration a plus or a minus. (In 1775: Plus; 2016: a minus) In addition it needs further definition. Immigration at what level, according to what requirements, and from where. On this question the left has exhibited so much bad faith that the only answer now is zero.

Knowing what we knew then, should we have gone into Iraq in 2003 (Yes)

Should we have attempted nation building in Iraq or been more ruthless, bomb its power centers and then let a strongman rule in place of Saddam. (Knowing what I know now about Islam, Strongman option)

If everyone was aware of the democrats treachery in undermining our victory in Iraq upon Obamas election

Should NATO exist. (A good question. Trump made the elites wet their pants over this one- I am ambivalent)

Should we be allies with Saudi Arabia.(No)

Is America racist.( No, individuals are)

Was what Martin Luther King say about the content of ones character true (For me: Yes, For Colin Powell: - no)

The reflection on the issues will reveal competing principles and values, which must be prioritized by ones adherence to tradition, or by practicality.

Posted by: Minuteman at September 27, 2016 02:01 PM (f/tWz)

455 "From each according to his abilities, and to each according to his needs." There's nothing more American than this sentiment.
Posted by: WaterCow at September 27, 2016 01:55 PM (VDlGs)

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*blink*
*blink*


I think that just about the dumbest thing Ive read in the last 24 hours.

And thats saying something.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 27, 2016 02:01 PM (8XRCm)

456 Has anyone checked Democratic Underground to get a sense of the real results?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 27, 2016 02:01 PM (V+C3K)

457 "Andrew Breitbart used to say -- he said this the first time I met him --
that the left creates a "Matrix," as in the movie, a prison of illusion
and reality distortion. When you are in the Matrix, he said excitedly, you can't see the Matrix itself.

Many commentators on the right -- I included -- are thoroughly colonized
by leftist memes. How could we not be? We are constantly mesmerized by
them, a thousand cult chants a day whispering at us from our electric
soma boxes."
The left's Matrix is real, but they usually live in it too. And the right creates its own Matrix within the Matrix, to further the distortion. We wasted a lot of energy and credibility on things like birtherism, which have no obvious end game (even if the theory proved true, how do you unseat a president who won two popular national elections on a technicality?), and the left was happy to stoke it. The Obama wave of permanent, insurmountable leftism was a fiction that the right bought into (it had clearly played it's course by the 2014 mid-terms, well before anybody thought Trump was running, and the fact that our most unpopular general election candidate in history is still very competitive this year further proves that), and this has lead to the bad decision making and the discarding of core ideologies that threatens to tear the Republican party apart. The GamerGate kids launched a more effective attack against the social justice warriors than the right ever did, because they weren't living in our self-created Matrix.

Posted by: reform highlander at September 27, 2016 02:01 PM (jCH/T)

458 In 2008 I saw 20 Obama signs for every 6 for McCain. In 2012 there were about 16 Obama for every 8 Romney. Today, amazingly, I saw only 1 large Trump sign outside a car parts business and only 1 Hillary on a lawn. That is it- lack of enthusiasm or fear to put signs out. Thoughts?

Watch the arc there: lawn signs are a thing of the past. People just don't bother with that much any more. Its true of every level of election, you used to see lawn signs for state legislative races, mayors, etc. They're all but gone. Their lack or ratio doesn't really say anything except "people don't do that much any more."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2016 02:02 PM (39g3+)

459 Posted by: WaterCow at September 27, 2016 01:55 PM (VDlGs)


The Mary Cloggenstein sock is smarter than this troll.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 27, 2016 02:02 PM (KUaJL)

460
People at the Beast's rally in NC look bored. They're looking around and she is just prattling on.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 27, 2016 02:02 PM (493sH)

461 I think that's unlikely, but Trump naming Myron Ebell as his EPA transition lead left me dancing on tippie-toes yesterday.

I want half the cabinet departments to have one of those "Look to your left. Now look to your right. One of you won't be here tomorrow. Oh, and we'll have another meeting next month."
Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2016 01:48 PM (TppKb)

I'd like to see the Vice President's job to be a hatchet man...

With the ability to FIRE people at whim... and the mandate to go after waste fraud and abuse...

Posted by: Don Q. at September 27, 2016 02:02 PM (qf6WZ)

462 Anecdotally (see how that ties into the main post?) I have noticed a lot of women on social media talking about how they want to vote for Hillary over health care. "My son is sick I need her to be in so he can get care."

I haven't asked any of them but... wasn't that was Obamacare was supposed to do?



Hammer. Them. Hard.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 01:57 PM (ApT0U)




OMFG HEALTH INSURANCE =/= HEALTH CARE OMFG

*ragetwitches on ground*


This is where I tell the story of how when the (late, lamented) BFF's family was told she had a rare type of terminal, untreatable cancer, one of the family members blurted out "That's impossible! This is Canada, we have health care, not like in the US!"

Thankfully, a dear friend was able to drag me out of the room with a hand over my mouth before I said all the things I wanted to say.

Posted by: alexthechick - unskewed at September 27, 2016 02:03 PM (mf5HN)

463 I think most dissapointing was that Trump didn't cash in on some really soft ball retorts. But you have to save for the next time I guess.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 27, 2016 02:00 PM
*******
Same here. I watched that debate and found myself frustrated that anyone here could have offered better retorts to her rehearsed attack lines than Trump did.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 27, 2016 02:03 PM (6IPEM)

464 That is it- lack of enthusiasm or fear to put signs out. Thoughts?

I think yard signs in general are kind of relics. They don't change any minds, and are tells for your politics. Also, the last few cycles has seen people getting attacked for their politics. Violence is a real threat.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin


Fear.

Clips & clips on Fb of people stealing Trump signs.
Not worth busting a cap in someone's ass.
And I already know I don't look good in prison orange.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 02:03 PM (ApT0U)

465 That is it- lack of enthusiasm or fear to put signs out. Thoughts?

Posted by: areswomen
________

It could be something as simple as the medium becoming antiquated.

Posted by: FireHorse at September 27, 2016 02:03 PM (VDlGs)

466 People are afraid of socialism because of all the propaganda from the capitalists.
Posted by: WaterCow


No, people hate socialism because it is a form of mass-slavery concocted out of thin air by a mentally ill German dude centuries ago and by now had amassed a bloody history of oppression and death heretofore unmatched in human experience.

Posted by: zombie at September 27, 2016 02:03 PM (jBuUi)

467 It puts the beans in the chili or else it gets the hose again.

Posted by: eleven at September 27, 2016 02:03 PM (qUNWi)

468 329 - FYI, I sent that question to Chris Wallace at Fox and asked if he would consider asking Mrs. Clinton at the last debate.

Fingers crossed.

Imagine what would happen if she had to answer, on national television during the last presidential debate, if she was in favor of black reparations.

Teehee.

Posted by: vivi at September 27, 2016 02:04 PM (11H2y)

469 I used to be in the Matrix, but then Winona put on a black leather bodysuit and disconnected me. Now we fly around doing kung fu and throwing pancakes and slow motion trampoline bouncing. HI-YAAAA!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 27, 2016 02:04 PM (QVVXM)

470 @313 ... But from the earliest recorded history up until 1854, people just did whatever the hell they wanted to stay alive, an naturally-occurring economic system and free exchange and trade that had no label because it didn't NEED a label.

"Capitalism" exists in the same way that "evolution" exists: just natural inexorable processes that arise without conscious organization.
...
Posted by: zombie at September 27, 2016 01:32 PM (jBuUi)




WRONG!!

Capitalism may be "natural", but it is natural (and, dare I add, VIRTUOUS) for the INDIVIDUAL.

It's COMMUNISM that is nothing new - even the original Christians adopted an inescapably communist form of governance, according to the Bible. Everyone in the collective had to surrender all their land (and therefore their labor) to the collective, or they risked a fate called "giving up the ghost" for having "lied to God".

It's not so different from the USUAL system of authocracy. Some bully seizes power, and hires a bunch of henchmen to steal whatever they want from peaceful producers.

It was only when the ENLIGHTENMENT came along that the idea of capitalism was formalized as a beneficial concept for an entire civilization, along with the prerequisite of self-governance and rights for individuals. Before THEN, capitalism was something that individuals tried to practice DESPITE their rulers.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 02:04 PM (EnK/R)

471
lack of enthusiasm or fear to put signs out. Thoughts?
---------------

Anecdote: We have put signs out in the past three elections. No sign this election because politics are so raw, personal, and polarized this year.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 02:05 PM (oGNNA)

472 I think most dissapointing was that Trump didn't cash in on some really soft ball retorts. But you have to save for the next time I guess.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 27, 2016 02:00 PM
*******
Same here. I watched that debate and found myself frustrated that anyone here could have offered better retorts to her rehearsed attack lines than Trump did.
Posted by: L, Elle



He couldn't. He would have come across as the meanie who beat up on grammy vag and lost the vag vote.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 02:05 PM (ApT0U)

473 And I already know I don't look good in prison orange.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 02:03 PM (ApT0U)

-----

Depends on who's doing the looking there whitemeat.

I think you look ....... hitable.

Posted by: Tyrone the Lifer at September 27, 2016 02:05 PM (8XRCm)

474 456 Has anyone checked Democratic Underground to get a sense of the real results?

They're linking to other left-wing echo chambers crowing that Hillary DESTROYED Trump.

Oh, and they have a nice little front page graphic up filled with nevertrumper's slamming Trump's performance.

Thanks, nevertrumpers!

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at September 27, 2016 02:06 PM (WlGX+)

475 406 "tickle-down economics"
Posted by: zombie


Funny Money.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 27, 2016 02:06 PM (X4jLi)

476 BTW, I am coming around to this....the fact that Trump didn't plow through the openings left by Hillary may have been Jedi-level mind trickery....because it made you remember what she did in the first place. It depends, of course, on how familiar one is with that narrative.

Posted by: vivi at September 27, 2016 02:06 PM (11H2y)

477 The only question I have is : Why does Trump hate fat white women from Arkansas that lie like rug and screech like an owl every time she opens her mouth? Why that is the perfect woman... Just ask BJ Bill and oh by the way Cankles tried to take credit away from Gingrich on how great the economy was in the 1990s !!! Clinton got forced into these deals and then took credit !!!!!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 27, 2016 02:06 PM (NuElX)

478
Posted by: WaterCow

Satire?
Posted by: zombie




Gimmick. Xe's been doing for at least a couple of weeks.

Not really going over very well.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 27, 2016 02:06 PM (kdS6q)

479 The reflection on the issues will reveal competing principles and values, which must be prioritized by ones adherence to tradition, or by practicality.

Posted by: Minuteman at September 27, 2016 02:01 PM (f/tWz)

Is Free Trade ALWAYS good for the country...

that's another thing Trump has questioned...

Posted by: Don Q. at September 27, 2016 02:07 PM (qf6WZ)

480 Great post ace.

Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at September 27, 2016 02:07 PM (uK2in)

481 469 I used to be in the Matrix, but then Winona put on a black leather bodysuit and disconnected me. Now we fly around doing kung fu and throwing pancakes and slow motion trampoline bouncing. HI-YAAAA!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 27, 2016 02:04 PM (QVVXM)


---------------

There's the matrix, and then again, there's grand delusion.

Posted by: Soona at September 27, 2016 02:07 PM (Fmupd)

482 Watercow,

You know where socialism exists? Venezuela. Check it out sometime. Hope you like the taste of stray animals.

Posted by: Follow Up Questions Never To Be Asked at September 27, 2016 02:07 PM (wikc6)

483 >> I'd like to see the Vice President's job to be a
>> hatchet man...

I don't think Pence is the guy to do that.

What I want to see is a staff of cabinet IGs recruited from the pen of unadoptables down at the pound, backed up by a floating group of special prosecutors.

I'll give them all prong collars on the day they're hired. But no leash.


Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2016 02:07 PM (TppKb)

484 "That's impossible! This is Canada, we have health care, not like in the US!"

Canadians are dumb as a sack of wet mice when it comes to health insurance, just like the Brits. They will finish a long paragraph about how crappy their health care is, how long they had to wait, what didn't get worked on with a glowing sentence about how great it is and how much America sucks for not having it.

Its like that Letterman bit on people hypotized to like a Broadway show. "It was better than cats...."

They've been brought up their entire lives for several generations now constantly being bombarded with how great their health care system is, how its a source of national pride, and how much America sucks for not having it. That's all they hear, all day, in jokes, commentary, dramatic performances, daily conversation, news story, etc... and they hear nothing contradicting it or explaining it. Its their "matrix" to use Ace's term. Their cultural worldview, unexamined, unquestioned.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2016 02:07 PM (39g3+)

485 why didn't trump destroy hillary? i think it's because he's not a monster......

Posted by: phoenixgirl, deplorable is better than despicable at September 27, 2016 02:08 PM (0O7c5)

486 Friggin' perfect.
As soon as I hung the last t-shirt on the line & walked inside to watch Bonanza, the bottom fell out and it's pouring outside.
Screw it. Story of my life.
Hop Sing will probably get shot this time...

And to top it off, I don't have any peppers to make the stuffed peppers I've been craving since the Food Thread.

Posted by: Chi at September 27, 2016 02:08 PM (oHrQ/)

487 Great post ace.
Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at September 27, 2016 02:07 PM (uK2in)

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Dude. Comment 480 is no place to be kissing ass.

Suckup.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 27, 2016 02:08 PM (8XRCm)

488 How did you avoid eating casserole beng reared in the area I think you were reared in?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 27, 2016 02:00 PM (E8PzM)




MissTammy!



well, Mom was kind of particular.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 02:08 PM (cPsPa)

489
456 Has anyone checked Democratic Underground to get a sense of the real results?

--------------

I do a lot of lurking at Daily Kos but I'm not going there today. I'm sure they're having a gloatfest over Hillary's win on points and I hate liberal gloatfests.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 02:08 PM (oGNNA)

490 467 It puts the beans in the chili or else it gets the hose again.
Posted by: eleven at September 27, 2016 02:03 PM


Mama always said that Life is like a bowl of non-authentic red. You never know what you're going to get.

Posted by: F. "Chili" Gump at September 27, 2016 02:08 PM (V+C3K)

491 He couldn't. He would have come across as the meanie who beat up on grammy vag and lost the vag vote.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 02:05 PM
*****
That is my conclusion as well. He was biting his tongue the whole time bc he was coached not to be seen as a bully. It goes against his nature to walk away from a fight and shut up. He showed it with his body language --- scowling with his famous frowny face, shaking his head No, not interrupting her, etc.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 27, 2016 02:09 PM (6IPEM)

492 Re yard signs:

In 2000, there was a town in northern New York (Chateauguay, IIRC) whose main street had a lot of Hillary signs. It was prominent on the local news - evil Republicans resorting to stealing to prevent her from winning.

It turned out that another town up thataway (Ellenburg Depot?) couldn't get Hillary signs so they went to Chateauguay and plucked them off people's lawns. The Hillary supporters had their signs stolen by other Hillary supporters.

Posted by: FireHorse at September 27, 2016 02:09 PM (VDlGs)

493 In my Matrix...

That's a Giant....

Posted by: Don Quixote, lookin for Dulcinea at September 27, 2016 02:10 PM (qf6WZ)

494 He couldn't. He would have come across as the meanie who beat up on grammy vag and lost the vag vote.

Posted by: rickb223

I don't know but that could have been their strategy. Don't go all in on the first debate. Let HRC thinks she's on a roll and let more documents come out, Comey's testimony before Congress today, and other dirt. Maybe?

Posted by: Cheri at September 27, 2016 02:10 PM (oiNtH)

495 I think that our current politics has been organized around the central concept of Emptiness for a long time, and I think maybe this year, a year of rejectionism, is the year when people begin to see through the Emptiness.


A question for the Horde. Do Our Betters deal only in Emptiness because it's a way for them to hide their true goals or are they incapable of coming up with concrete solutions and thus think that recapitulating the problem is solving it?

Yes, yes, healing power of and and whatnot.

Posted by: alexthechick - unskewed at September 27, 2016 02:10 PM (mf5HN)

496
Jezz -- just checked. Make that a couple of YEARS.

The Skip Bitman of pseudo-trolls.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 27, 2016 02:10 PM (kdS6q)

497 The witch in me wanted Trump to blast her for being an enabler of an accused rapist, serial cheater, and harasser while Billy Jeff was sitting there. I guess he won't go there.

Posted by: Cheri at September 27, 2016 02:11 PM (oiNtH)

498
Canadians are dumb as a sack of wet mice when it comes to health insurance
----------------

Race, too. (Waves "not you" to andycanuck and other Canado-morons)

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 02:11 PM (oGNNA)

499 That is my conclusion as well. He was biting his tongue the whole time bc he was coached not to be seen as a bully. It goes against his nature to walk away from a fight and shut up. He showed it with his body language --- scowling with his famous frowny face, shaking his head No, not interrupting her, etc.
Posted by: L, Elle at September 27, 2016 02:09 PM (6IPEM)

I fully agree, but I wonder if-- because he pulled his punches this time--he'll be allowed to attack her at the next debate.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 27, 2016 02:11 PM (X4jLi)

500 So I guess we can all agree that there should be no fat chicks in beauty pageants. Amirite? Now it's just a matter of drawing up some common sense legislation.

Posted by: Fritz at September 27, 2016 02:11 PM (2Mnv1)

501 >>>467 It puts the beans in the chili or else it gets the hose again.

But do the beans burn on the grill?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 27, 2016 02:11 PM (QVVXM)

502 Obama siccing the DOJ on Trump supporter Peter Thiel.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at September 27, 2016 02:12 PM (WlGX+)

503 >> I do a lot of lurking at Daily Kos but I'm not going >> there today. I'm sure they're having a gloatfest
>> over Hillary's win on points and I hate liberal
>> gloatfests.

Plus you risk catching STDs from all the airborne jizz.

Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2016 02:12 PM (TppKb)

504 You know where socialism exists? Venezuela. Check it out sometime.

Posted by: Follow Up Questions Never To Be Asked
________

I have some vacation time coming up, so maybe I'll check it out.

(What state is Venezuela in?)

Posted by: WaterCow at September 27, 2016 02:12 PM (VDlGs)

505 A question for the Horde. Do Our Betters deal only in Emptiness because it's a way for them to hide their true goals or are they incapable of coming up with concrete solutions and thus think that recapitulating the problem is solving it?

Our Betters deal in sloth, lust, pride and envy. Especially envy.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 27, 2016 02:12 PM (IK6dA)

506 Has anyone checked Democratic Underground to get a sense of the real results?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 27, 2016 02:01 PM
******
I volunteer you as tribute. You have nothing better to do since you're in the Barrell anyway.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 27, 2016 02:12 PM (6IPEM)

507 It seems that this debate had the most viewers ever.

Except I think if they looked closely at the numbers they'd find the viewership drops off like a roller coaster after the first half hour and it was clear Hillary wasn't going to die on camera and Trump wasn't going to rage out like the hulk.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2016 02:12 PM (39g3+)

508 meh, yard signs are like bumperstickers for your house. I think conservatives are less inclined to have to plaster their opinions all over the place. unlike liberals that have to inject their opinions into every element of everything they do.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 02:13 PM (cPsPa)

509 Ya know....if I moved on up to the East Side....


I could burn some beans on the grill.

Posted by: eleven at September 27, 2016 02:13 PM (qUNWi)

510 The best way to piss a Brit or Euro off while getting your point across about socialized medicine is to ask them how much private insurance they carry.

Just about all of them with any kind of money at all have private insurance.

And I believe it is mandated in Australia (another nation that likes to brag about their socialized medicine) that anyone over a certain income carry private insurance.

Socialized medicine, just like socialism in general, works til it runs out of other peoples' money.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 27, 2016 02:13 PM (E8PzM)

511 But do the beans burn on the grill?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 27, 2016 02:11 PM (QVVXM)
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took a whole lotta *something*
just to get up that hill!

(You truly had the spirit yesterday, BSG!)

Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2016 02:14 PM (6xtq3)

512 What state is Venezuela in?

I dunno, one of the 57.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2016 02:14 PM (39g3+)

513 She wasn't given the questions.

SHE WROTE THE QUESTIONS

Our side still has a lot to learn about what we are up against.

Posted by: Rat a tat at at September 27, 2016 02:14 PM (XPk5v)

514 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2016 02:12 PM (39g3+)

Does that even count those of us who watched online?

Posted by: Don Quixote, lookin for Dulcinea at September 27, 2016 02:15 PM (qf6WZ)

515
Don't go all in on the first debate. Let HRC thinks she's on a roll and let more documents come out, Comey's testimony before Congress today, and other dirt. Maybe?
Posted by: Cheri at September 27, 2016 02:10 PM (oiNtH)
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I'd agree up to "more documents" etc. Nothing seems to be moving the needle there. It would take a Julian Assange fantasy dump -- which is not gonna happen -- to change a thing on the email crimes.

Let HRC think she's on a roll and then smack her full-on with "Your political and life partner is a rapist, your Russian reset was so bad that you now call me a bad CiC for saying I could be friends with Putin, let's go back to sniper fire" etc. Not, I fear, that he'll do that.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 02:15 PM (oGNNA)

516 Our Betters deal in sloth, lust, pride and envy. Especially envy.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 27, 2016 02:12 PM


Lust or bust.

Posted by: Bubba & Carlos at September 27, 2016 02:15 PM (V+C3K)

517 I've seen one yard sign for Hillary, a couple for Trump, but not nearly as many as in previous years. That goes for state/local races as well. Very odd here in Illinois. Usually we're plastered with signage by now.

Posted by: lizabth at September 27, 2016 02:15 PM (p0fBx)

518 She sounded like a pro jock answering some twit sideline reporter.

"How did you feel scoring a sportsball goal?"
"Well, we worked as a team and I gave 110%"

There you have it, Jim/Joe/Frank

Posted by: Lemonjello Hogleg at September 27, 2016 02:15 PM (yIexm)

519 That is my conclusion as well. He was biting his tongue the whole time bc he was coached not to be seen as a bully. It goes against his nature to walk away from a fight and shut up. He showed it with his body language --- scowling with his famous frowny face, shaking his head No, not interrupting her, etc.
Posted by: L, Elle at September 27, 2016 02:09 PM (6IPEM)

I fully agree, but I wonder if-- because he pulled his punches this time--he'll be allowed to attack her at the next debate.
Posted by: JoeF. at September 27, 2016 02:11 PM (X4jLi)



you just know he was itching to say

"hillary you ignorant slut!"

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 02:15 PM (cPsPa)

520 I have some vacation time coming up, so maybe I'll check it out.

(What state is Venezuela in?)
Posted by: WaterCow


Ah, OK, satire then, by user "FireHorse." Touche!

Posted by: zombie at September 27, 2016 02:15 PM (jBuUi)

521 Rush Limbaugh's take on this is that "points" are wonkish, inside-baseball bullshit, mostly, and that the People aren't swayed by that; they're looking for someone who's human and relatable and has a fresh approach. And that Hillary came across "as exactly who she is: a Witch with a capital B." Shrill, smug, over-rehearsed, spouting lefty bromides. And he says that it's true that people take Trump 'seriously but not literally,' while libbies take Trump 'literally but not seriously.'

Fascinating.

Posted by: Beverly at September 27, 2016 02:15 PM (XRTIF)

522
In 2000, there was a town in northern New York (Chateauguay, IIRC) whose main street had a lot of Hillary signs. It was prominent on the local news - evil Republicans resorting to stealing to prevent her from winning.

It turned out that another town up thataway (Ellenburg Depot?) couldn't get Hillary signs so they went to Chateauguay and plucked them off people's lawns. The Hillary supporters had their signs stolen by other Hillary supporters.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 27, 2016 02:09 PM (VDlGs)

They were merely being redistributed, comrade.

Posted by: josephistan at September 27, 2016 02:16 PM (7HtZB)

523 We need a good sing along to get our spirits up!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 27, 2016 02:16 PM (QVVXM)

524 484 "That's impossible! This is Canada, we have health care, not like in the US!"

Canadians are dumb as a sack of wet mice when it comes to health insurance, just like the Brits. They will finish a long paragraph about how crappy their health care is, how long they had to wait, what didn't get worked on with a glowing sentence about how great it is and how much America sucks for not having it.

Its like that Letterman bit on people hypotized to like a Broadway show. "It was better than cats...."

They've been brought up their entire lives for several generations now constantly being bombarded with how great their health care system is, how its a source of national pride, and how much America sucks for not having it. That's all they hear, all day, in jokes, commentary, dramatic performances, daily conversation, news story, etc... and they hear nothing contradicting it or explaining it. Its their "matrix" to use Ace's term. Their cultural worldview, unexamined, unquestioned.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2016 02:07 PM (39g3+)


Can confirm. Work with several Canadians and they've done this. One of them announced proudly he finally got a primary doctor after seven years. When I professed shock at the wait, he just shrugged and said well I just went to the emergency room if anything happened.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 27, 2016 02:17 PM (4ErVI)

525 Anyone know if Baraka is still going to take the month of October off to campaign for Illary!? You, know, b/c there's nothing else the leader of the free-ish world could be doing.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 27, 2016 02:17 PM (SeD0w)

526 She wasn't given the questions.

SHE WROTE THE QUESTIONS

Our side still has a lot to learn about what we are up against.
Posted by: Rat a tat at at September 27, 2016 02:14 PM (XPk5v)



yeah, hillary was not given the questions, lesster was given the question.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 02:17 PM (cPsPa)

527 So does this mean that all along it was liberals who were sucking each other's johnsons?

Who'd a thunk?

Posted by: Marcus T at September 27, 2016 02:17 PM (XbPiz)

528 Don't go all in on the first debate. Let HRC thinks she's on a roll and let more documents come out, Comey's testimony before Congress today, and other dirt. Maybe?
Posted by: Cheri at September 27, 2016 02:10 PM (oiNtH)
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Which reminds me, where the hell is Julian Assange and his doc dump on Hitlery? This guy is either the biggest tease ever or he is positioning his next leak for maximum effect with its timing.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 27, 2016 02:17 PM (6IPEM)

529 471
lack of enthusiasm or fear to put signs out. Thoughts?
---------------

Anecdote: We have put signs out in the past three elections. No sign this election because politics are so raw, personal, and polarized this year.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 02:05 PM (oGNNA)



What I've noticed in this "safe blue" state is that in my small bluish-purple city surrounded by a red countryside is that hardly anybody puts out Dem signs. I don't think it's a lack of Dem voters, just that they take a win for granted, so why bother buying a sign? You have to be MORE enthusiastic to bother putting out a Dem sign.

There are WAY more Trump signs here. There are almost as many "Hillary for Prison" signs as "Hillary" signs.

That being said, there aren't a lot of signs, period.

It's like the rallies. Something like 15,000 went to see Trump here; Hillary had a rally at a museum, with a few hundred people.

Unfortunately, none of this means much of anything, when it comes to the actual election.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 02:17 PM (EnK/R)

530 She writes the SONGS!!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2016 02:17 PM (6xtq3)

531 I don't know but that could have been their
strategy. Don't go all in on the first debate. Let HRC thinks she's on
a roll and let more documents come out, Comey's testimony before
Congress today, and other dirt. Maybe?

Posted by: Cheri at September 27, 2016 02:10 PM (oiNtH)

That makes sense... add Scott Adam's theory that Trump's main goal was to show the national audience that he's not the crazy, orange-tinted fascist he's been made out to be..... from that perspective, Trump won big.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at September 27, 2016 02:18 PM (jjaLl)

532 Rush Limbaugh's

I'm gonna have to agree with Rush on this... She's just not likable...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 27, 2016 02:18 PM (O2RFr)

533 We need a good sing along to get our spirits up!!


Soft kitty warm kitty little ball of fur.....


::now you::

Posted by: eleven at September 27, 2016 02:18 PM (qUNWi)

534 Let me see if I understand the rules correctly. Trump has to restrain himself in debate Hillary, lest he come off as a bully.

Will Vladimir Putin have to play by the same rule in confrontation with President (shudder) Hillary Clinton?

Posted by: Northernlurker at September 27, 2016 02:18 PM (s7hQ/)

535 Which reminds me, where the hell is Julian Assange and his doc dump on Hitlery? This guy is either the biggest tease ever or he is positioning his next leak for maximum effect with its timing.



Supposed to be an October drop.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 02:19 PM (ApT0U)

536 Speaking of loaded terms of the Left, since they get all hot and bothered about "Redskins", we should fight back against the term "birth control" which has its roots steeped in genocide.

Posted by: Rat a tat at at September 27, 2016 02:19 PM (XPk5v)

537 Which reminds me, where the hell is Julian Assange and his doc dump on Hitlery? This guy is either the biggest tease ever or he is positioning his next leak for maximum effect with its timing.
Posted by: L, Elle at September 27, 2016 02:17 PM (6IPEM)



hold your fire until you see the , well, nevermind

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 02:19 PM (cPsPa)

538 Our Betters deal in sloth, lust, pride and envy. Especially envy.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 27, 2016 02:12 PM



Lust or bust.

Posted by: Bubba Carlos at September 27, 2016 02:15 PM (V+C3K)

Sloth for me.
I think.
Let me get back to you on that.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at September 27, 2016 02:19 PM (3Liv/)

539 Now the world don't move to the beat of just one drum

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 27, 2016 02:19 PM (QVVXM)

540 A question for the Horde. Do Our Betters deal only in Emptiness because it's a way for them to hide their true goals or are they incapable of coming up with concrete solutions and thus think that recapitulating the problem is solving it?

Yes, yes, healing power of and and whatnot.
Posted by: alexthechick - unskewed at September 27, 2016 02:10 PM (mf5HN)


For them it's literally a game.

McConnell et al have said as much almost in exactly those words.

"Obama hasn't been a disaster cuz we'll get our shot soon"- again almost an exact quote.

The Emptiness comes from the idea that you are in politics to get elected, so say whatever you need to say to get elected.

Then do whatever you need to do while in office to keep in office and set yourself up financially.

That's it. That's the plan.

The reason the GOPe has gotten so insane this year is that Obama showed them that economic responsibility and restraint is not needed at all.

Obama shoveled roughly $9T to his cronies- that volume of gravy has made them lose their minds.

Jeb! got $160M just on the thought that he'd shovel the goodies from GOP cronies and donors.

it's all words with no intention of action beyond getting elected and getting your dipper of gravy.

Nothing beyond that at all.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 27, 2016 02:20 PM (0cMkb)

541 And one of the ways you do that is by saying bye bye to TV.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 27, 2016 12:43 PM (Idu2i)

Television is an enormously usefulknowledgeaccess tool, among other things. Of itself, it's a value-neutral device. What you use it for, what you do with it is not value-neutral.

All I know is that if it's true our life plays out before our eyes as we die, then I don't want to be stuck watching 'I Love Lucy' reruns for the nth time. When the time comes, I want to have lived a full, rich and ideally fulfilling life, you know, doing stuff.

Posted by: troyriser at September 27, 2016 02:20 PM (OGbEB)

542 533 We need a good sing along to get our spirits up!!


Soft kitty warm kitty little ball of fur.....


::now you::
Posted by: eleven at September 27, 2016 02:18 PM (qUNWi)

Ah..... Lunch... can you hand me the Wasabi sauce?

Posted by: Alf at September 27, 2016 02:20 PM (qf6WZ)

543
where the hell is Julian Assange and his doc dump on Hitlery?
-----------------

In the same fantasy world as Hillary's onstage fainting spell. Hackers are notorious teases and phony self-promoters. Guccifer was full of it.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 27, 2016 02:21 PM (oGNNA)

544 well, Mom was kind of particular.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 02:08 PM (cPsPa)

Good for her! I am not a fan of casseroles.

Or hot tuna. I prefer mine mixed up with plenty of mayo, some onions and pickles, and some fresh diced tomato as all civilized peoples do.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 27, 2016 02:21 PM (E8PzM)

545 We need a good sing along to get our spirits up!!


Soft kitty warm kitty little ball of fur.....


::now you::



Puff the magic dragon,
Lived by the sea,
:back to you:

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 02:22 PM (ApT0U)

546 If i were Julian Assange I'd wait to drop whatever it is-provided it's big -until a week before the election.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 27, 2016 02:22 PM (EnGQE)

547 A question for the Horde. Do Our Betters deal only in Emptiness because it's a way for them to hide their true goals or are they incapable of coming up with concrete solutions and thus think that recapitulating the problem is solving it?

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at 2:12 PM
________

This is a partial answer but may shed some light -

A long time ago, a coworker (mentor, really) taught me a nugget about marketing. She said that marketing isn't so much the practice of bring your product to your potential customers or bring customers to your product. It's about removing the obstacles between them.

As far candidates go, most go vanilla* - not because people like it more than other flavors but because no one dislikes it. So they do what Hillary Clinton did last night: She looked the part, had a seriousness in the tone of her voice, and threw around some buzzwords. Nothing** to repel anybody, really.

* - Vanilla is the most popular brand of ice cream, btw.

** - Until Trump pointed out that this is what a seasoned politician (i.e., the problem) sounds like.

Posted by: FireHorse at September 27, 2016 02:23 PM (VDlGs)

548 Speaking of Hot Tuna, I saw their electric show a few years back. Good times.

Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2016 02:23 PM (6xtq3)

549 Why havent we heard what Nathan DeSai, Nazi lawyer shooter, wrote in his swastika covered notebook

Posted by: ThunderB at September 27, 2016 01:44 PM (BkJzF)

Notice we also never got the "manifesto" from that (black) Virginia murderer who shot the 2 news people (I added "black" because that probably has something to do with why we never saw it).

Posted by: Brunnhilde at September 27, 2016 02:23 PM (aW5/6)

550 What might be right for you may not be right for SOOOOOME!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 27, 2016 02:23 PM (QVVXM)

551 While we're in the weeds discussing minutiae, Trump had a plan to hit several BIG points hard and repeatedly:

Other countries are raping us
We need to bring blue collar jobs back
Politicians are useless, self-dealing liars
She's been doing nothing for 30 years

Powerful when you see it.

Posted by: Rat a tat at at September 27, 2016 02:24 PM (XPk5v)

552 Which reminds me, where the hell is Julian Assange and his doc dump on Hitlery? This guy is either the biggest tease ever or he is positioning his next leak for maximum effect with its timing.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 27, 2016 02:17 PM (6IPEM)

Assange answers to his Russian FSB/KGB handlers. They'll let him know when the time is right for release.

Posted by: troyriser at September 27, 2016 02:24 PM (OGbEB)

553 Holt to Trump: Have you stopped being a racist?

Holt to Hellary: Has Trump stopped being a racist?

Posted by: Deplorable McIrredeemableface at September 27, 2016 02:24 PM (xujbM)

554 I prefer my tuna grilled as a steak. But not raw in the middle like psychotic TV chefs insist. I like my meat cooked.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2016 02:24 PM (39g3+)

555
If i were Julian Assange I'd wait to drop whatever it is-provided it's big -until a week before the election.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 27, 2016 02:22 PM (EnGQE)


There will be a lot of early voting already in by then.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 27, 2016 02:25 PM (lKyWE)

556 "You apparently didn't hear her brilliant discourse on cyber-security.

I'm Sold!!!
Posted by: Cheri at September 27, 2016 01:55 PM (oiNtH)"

I've been a big Trump supporter wire to wire, but this issues makes me laugh all the time. When Trump talks about "Cyber" I get the sense that he saw the movie Hackers on Showtime 20 years ago, and that's about the extent of his understanding of the issue. It cracks me up every time he talks about it.

Side note a good friend of mine who is big into 4th wave feminism or something and body affirmation, was up in arms over the 400 lb hacker comment. I was trying to explain that it was a throw away line, something that people joke about literally every day. She thinks it hurt him with the 400 lb 30 something demographic that lives in their moms basement.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at September 27, 2016 02:25 PM (Uy8SG)

557 * - Vanilla is the most popular brand of ice cream, btw.
---
Sadly, those of us who prefer chocolate ice cream, smothered in chocolate sauce and chocolate chips for texture are a tiny oppressed minority.

Posted by: Methos at September 27, 2016 02:26 PM (3Liv/)

558 "....things which are not allowed in chili, like carrots."

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 01:56 PM (cPsPa)
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and/or beans.



Beans are a legitimate topic for debate.

Only Brent Cochran advocates carrots in chili.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 27, 2016 02:26 PM (mgbwf)

559 According to REO Speedwagon you can tune a piano, but you can't tuna fish.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2016 02:27 PM (39g3+)

560 Oh, de Camptown ladeez sing this song, doo dar, DOO DAR

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 27, 2016 02:27 PM (QVVXM)

561 "....things which are not allowed in chili, like carrots."

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2016 01:56 PM (cPsPa)
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and/or beans.


Beans are a legitimate topic for debate.




Wife makes chili without. I make it with.
Beans are protein that extends the amount cheaply.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 02:27 PM (ApT0U)

562 Only Brent Cochran advocates carrots in chili.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 27, 2016 02:26 PM (mgbwf)

Cochran is a Braves fan: therefore anything he says can be dismissed out of hand, or with a wry chuckle and maybe a poke with a sharp stick.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 27, 2016 02:28 PM (Zu3d9)

563 @521 Rush Limbaugh's take on this is that "points" are wonkish, inside-baseball bullshit, mostly, and that the People aren't swayed by that; they're looking for someone who's human and relatable and has a fresh approach. And that Hillary came across "as exactly who she is: a Witch with a capital B." Shrill, smug, over-rehearsed, spouting lefty bromides. And he says that it's true that people take Trump 'seriously but not literally,' while libbies take Trump 'literally but not seriously.'

Fascinating.
Posted by: Beverly at September 27, 2016 02:15 PM (XRTIF)





Very well put. of course, the whole obsession with "who won" is silly, artificial, and meaningless anyway.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 02:28 PM (EnK/R)

564 Did anyone say Nood?

NFL Nood

Posted by: L, Elle at September 27, 2016 02:28 PM (6IPEM)

565 FOX got caught up in the "should Trump be fact checked or not, when the premise carried with that was that Trump would tell lies so he needed a fact checker, or the alternative was Hillary would have to fact check "liar Trump".

But obviously not only should there be no fact checker, but the premise was false.

I still wish Trump had gotten to the question of whether she was still too confused to answer questions, like she was when she avoided the FBI. Or just when did she learn that the letter "c" was for confidential, not for alphabetizing? And how can she qualify for president without knowing that while dealing with said documents for years?

Posted by: illiniwek at September 27, 2016 02:28 PM (n6rAX)

566 Only Brent Cochran advocates carrots in chili.

that boy ain't right

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 27, 2016 02:29 PM (ZQfW9)

567 And I already know I don't look good in prison orange.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 02:03 PM (ApT0U)



Do you know that from experience? I do.

Wanna swap stories?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 27, 2016 02:29 PM (mgbwf)

568 Sadly, those of us who prefer chocolate ice cream, smothered in chocolate sauce and chocolate chips for texture are a tiny oppressed minority.

Posted by: Methos
________

Alas, white privilege extends to frozen treats.

Posted by: FireHorse at September 27, 2016 02:29 PM (VDlGs)

569 Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2016 02:22 PM (ApT0U)

"100 bottles of beer on the wall..."

This is The Horde after all.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 27, 2016 02:29 PM (Zu3d9)

570 I volunteer you as tribute. You have nothing better to do since you're in the Barrell anyway.
Posted by: L, Elle at September 27, 2016 02:12 PM


Against my better judgement, I did. DU is exactly what you would expect today. It makes The Barrel seem like Platinum-level Club Med.

What was interesting was Jackpine Radicals, where all the BernieBots exiled themselves to after DU proved non-inclusive.

There was one post/thread on the debate. It could be cross-posted here, and represent the large majority of The Horde.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 27, 2016 02:30 PM (V+C3K)

571 What we need is a woman for president. So, when is one going to run ?????

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 27, 2016 02:30 PM (NuElX)

572 "Do you want to see me do the shimmy again?"

Posted by: Hillary does Tina (Polygram) at September 27, 2016 02:34 PM (kfcYC)

573 Or hot tuna. I prefer mine mixed up with plenty of
mayo, some onions and pickles, and some fresh diced tomato as all
civilized peoples do.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 27, 2016 02:21 PM (E8PzM)


Now, now. Hot Tuna is a perfectly cromulent blues band.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2016 02:36 PM (o9m/V)

574 and getting your dipper of gravy.

Always glad to be helpful.

Posted by: Peter North at September 27, 2016 02:36 PM (V+C3K)

575 I am juvenile enough that when I walk my Lab, I let her poop on a neighbor's lawn which happens to have a Hillary2016 sign and don't clean it up.

We're givers.

Posted by: Cheri at September 27, 2016 02:36 PM (oiNtH)

576 Julian Assange leaks dox showing quid pro quo of donation to Clinton Foundation for official favor from State, along with email from Hitlery chewing out her IT guy for not previously purging her emails and telling him to get right on it now that Congress has its Subpoeana out.
Biden steps in.
Tag line: "I was ready in a heartbeat, so I'm ready now."
Biden narrowly wins, by the margin of Democrat election fraud.
What next?

Posted by: xnycpeasant at September 27, 2016 02:39 PM (3Rr8K)

577 Jim Geraghty over at NR is obviously not a fan of AosHQ. The Morning Jolt today went on at some length about how ludicrous it is to think that a handful of #NeverTrump-ers are going to swing the election. This pretty much ignores Ace's challenge a few weeks back that the editors & writers over at NR cannot have it both ways: either they are influential opinion makers, or they are not. Hell, even Jonah Goldberg acknowledged Ace's point.

Yes, this is certainly an impactful election: the bleating hypocrisy of many estimable figures is being laid open. I can get through my blog roll a lot faster these days than I could a year ago.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at September 27, 2016 02:41 PM (o7l6R)

578 This debate was a 'Mexican Standoff'. Neither candidate significantly advanced against the other by the end of the debate. Trump's first 30 minutes were promising, but his concentration seemed to flag in the last 60 minutes. He seemed to lose interest in responding to Hillary's pat lines.

Clinton seems to be losing ground with the general public, despite the best efforts of the MSM. Think the Mexican Standoff hurt her prospects of reversing Trump's modest momentum. While modest, that momentum has 42 days to percolate before the election. Hillary needs to inject some excitement into the race, but failed to do so last night. Pat lines won't do it.

Posted by: 10x25mm at September 27, 2016 02:55 PM (ef7pH)

579 I think that Hillary won on STYLE, not points or substance. These were the same canned answers that Al Gore gave in 2000, and John Kerry gave in 2004. She knew what was coming, and regurgitated the Standard Democrat Talking points, and sounded measured and poised doing it. Style, no substance. The Nattering Nabobs of Negativism love this stuff.

Of course, they "sound" palatable and acceptable, because, like in the Matrix, you have heard them all before.
Hillary is a reboot of Al Gore, John Kerry, and to a certain extent, Barack Obama (though she doesn't have the cachet of the Magic Negro).


Bill Clinton was a sociopathic charmer, and the Media could have exposed what a psychologically damaged person he was, but instead enjoyed screwing with all us and promoting him.
And the empty vessel Obama, who as actually accomplished nothing in his life prior to being a trivial State Senator, and a one term US Senator, from Illinois. And people will rationalize how great he is, and how great things are going.

What a stupid time to be alive.

And so, here we are, with Clinton's weird, dishonest, sociopathic wife, running for President.

This is democracy manifest. Sure it is.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at September 27, 2016 02:55 PM (RFeQD)

580 My husband, who was a Cruz supporter, and will not vote for Hellary, but is not sure if he is going to vote, strolled through last night and watched a bit of it. He said Hellary had the questions in advance becaue of the way she answered them. She was reading off a script that had been written in answer to the questions. He was pretty disgusted with the RNC that they would allow Lester to "badger Trump with nonsense questions that nobody cares about" He decided that Trump is getting his vote.

Posted by: abby at September 27, 2016 02:56 PM (HBU7W)

581 Another good one by DJT: "Yeah, you have experience, but it's BAD experience. We don't need BAD experience."

That was a good point.

I do wish he'd kneecapped her when she started lying outrageously about taking Cybersecurity [!!!] seriously.

Posted by: Beverly at September 27, 2016 03:06 PM (XRTIF)

582 All of Trump's supporters think he won?
So lets call that good enough! Trump won!

Wait, all Hillary supporters says she won?
Lying liars who can't see the truth!

Independents?
We hate them so lets not ask and find out who they thought won...

It's unanimous! TRUMP WINS!

Confirmation bias?
No way; we said we're outside the Matrix when we decided only Trump supporters have an opinion we'll ask for.

Totally outside the Matrix!

Posted by: gekkobear at September 27, 2016 03:11 PM (kq7Of)

583 It's time for another presidential election. That means it's time for Pennsylvania to act like it might be in play, politically speaking. Yay! The truth is, Pennsylvania is reliably democrat, and will be for the foreseeable future. Acting purple is just how they get attention every 4 years. It's like Iowa without the ethanol subsidies. The only way the dems lose Pennsylvania is if they piss off too much of the western coal country.

Posted by: Advo at September 27, 2016 03:15 PM (Ms4Um)

584 Good stuff by Ace...


Posted by: William Eaton at September 27, 2016 03:16 PM (KhJh8)

585 Perhaps the simplest way to characterize the debate was that it was one of the more egregious Leftist ambushes that we've seen. Trump didn't let them walk all over him, but DID spend too much time defending himself on stupid stuff. It would have been great if he would have brought up more points to hurt Hillary on his own, but he was outnumbered. Even the audience was stacked, with commie-indoctrinated college kids making up 1/3.

It's funny how he's demonized for actually answering the question, and defending himself from attacks (which is what businessmen, not politicians do). It's like the media positively INSISTS that a politician not respond to what anybody asks, and simply blabber away with their meaningless, heavily-spun talking points.

The Ones Who never Get Tired of Being Wrong (aka "the elites") are congratulating themselves, but I have to wonder if this will be another case where they think Trump is hurt, but instead he gains. Trump speaks to the voters, while Hillary was dismissive towards the people hurt by NAFTA, and even towards the blacks she's depending on. She and her sidekick spent their time on personal attacks against Trump, instead on what the people care about.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 03:18 PM (EnK/R)

586 @583 It's time for another presidential election. That means it's time for Pennsylvania to act like it might be in play, politically speaking. Yay! The truth is, Pennsylvania is reliably democrat, and will be for the foreseeable future. Acting purple is just how they get attention every 4 years. It's like Iowa without the ethanol subsidies. The only way the dems lose Pennsylvania is if they piss off too much of the western coal country.
Posted by: Advo at September 27, 2016 03:15 PM (Ms4Um)




MAYBE. I'm not so sure.

On the one hand, supposedly blacks love the Clintons so much, but then I also hear that they didn't like Bill's mass incarceration of blacks. When I saw blacks interviewed "on the street" they seemed to have the attitude, "if the black guy didn't help us, why would we expect the white rich bitch to do so?" It makes me wonder if the blacks in Philadelphia are going to show up. In the debate, Hillary painted the life in black communities as being some sort of wonderful experience - might they not pick up on that and get the idea she's not going to be ANY help at all.

The other big element in PA is working class (union Dem) types. Hillary just pooh-poohed the devastation that NAFTA brought to them in PA.

Also "coal country" is mostly central and eastern PA, and I thought I heard that Trump might be winning in IA.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 03:27 PM (EnK/R)

587 My favorite conventional wisdom line was the get the corporations to pay their fare share and close all the loopholes. They had an open communist in the white house with 2 years of super majority and you would think they could have raised taxes to the sky and closed all the so-called loopholes. We all know in the real world there are no magic loopholes that once closed will open the floodgates of tax revenues. We also know that raising taxes has done nothing either. But boy what a great line that was boy oh boy. Something people can really rally to. YES raise taxes!

Posted by: james at September 27, 2016 03:34 PM (jxw6R)

588 "Roberts... wrote in her notes several times during the debate that Clinton offered 'pie in the sky' ideas."

This reminded me how Clinton, again, offered the asinine idea of "free" college tuition -- and Trump didn't jump all over this utterly impossible candy bait for morons.

Just reinforces the fact that Clinton is an evil partisan, while Trump is merely dense.

Posted by: red speck at September 27, 2016 03:37 PM (RcEOo)

589 I doubt Hillary had the questions before hand. She had prepared answers for every possible question or "theme" of question. Like here's the BLM question OK here's my scripted platitude about my support for BLM terrorists. Oh here's the jobs/economy question here's my tax the rich spiel. So on and so on. Her flaw is she's so damn unnatural at it. Romney did the same damn thing but he came off like a normal human instead of an automaton.

Posted by: james at September 27, 2016 03:39 PM (jxw6R)

590 Trump had my vote from the nomination, not happily, not vociferously, just because he is the sole alternative to another Democrat Piece of Refuse.

Last night, Donald showed up...real and blemished and he battled. Some was dumb, great googilly moogilly I don't care if he called a woman fat, told Howard Stern he tepidly supported the invasion of Iraq (I guess)...and whether he allows purple people eaters into various establishments that bear his name.
He called Hillary's email server deliberate and dirty, highlighting the immunity deals for many of her key communications staff. He was spot on explaining that Hillary first challenged Obama's citizenship, and he hammered Democratic policies that have condemned the ghettos to hell on earth (100 years of uninterrupted Democratic control).

Other things that got the pearls clutched...First Strike...yes, nothing is ever off the table in the defense of the United States.
Nuclear weapons for South Korea and Japan, absolutely, they live in a region that is entirely populated by nuclear and antagonistic, if not hostile powers, there is absolutely nothing we can do to protect them from those powers. Saudi Arabia...no, I do not support them having a nuclear weapon for the same reasons I do not support Turkey, Pakistan or Iran having nuclear weapons...call me pragmatically discriminatory.

Perhaps I fear Trump's executive experience which has been predicated on individual success...he is the boss and the final decider. But as President he is subject to checks and balances...sometimes his talking points ignore that he is only a 3rd of government and I don't want another President overstepping his authority even if I am more inclined to agree...

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at September 27, 2016 03:48 PM (7N6ox)

591 >> Romney did the same damn thing but he came off
>> like a normal human instead of an automaton.

And then backed down in the face of an obvious falsehood from Crowley The Hutt and lost the election.

Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2016 03:57 PM (TppKb)

592 I admit I was disappointed in Trump, I thought he would be a bit more of a professional CEO personality up there on some of the more serious issues, I honestly hope he was dumbing it down on purpose.

On the bright side, Clinton's pandering on the woman thing with the 'Miss Piggy' conversation might have been a jumping the shark moment - Hillary Clinton empathizing with a Venezuelan beauty queen is a joke in itself (all I could think of was that she probably would have had a few better names for her).

Posted by: firehorse at September 27, 2016 04:00 PM (//TVq)

593 Other than the Clinton News Netwrkr poll, what polls showed Grammy McDrunkard won?

Posted by: Jukin,The Deplorable at September 27, 2016 04:13 PM (6N+OU)

594 What I thought of when Hillary "made what the elites thought were exceptional scoring points."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKjxFJfcrcA

Posted by: Jukin,The Deplorable at September 27, 2016 04:19 PM (6N+OU)

595 Ace is slowly making the conversion to the alt right. He will be one of us!!!! Next thing you know he's going to be talking about the red pill. It's just the testosterone talking, conservatives, get him back on twitter and he'll calm right down.

Posted by: DFCtomm at September 27, 2016 04:21 PM (4X0M6)

596 Hmm I think one of the comments from last night must have been right - when 100 million people actually have to *see* her for 90 minutes, it hurts her results.

Posted by: moronhorde minion at September 27, 2016 04:22 PM (hKDRi)

597 One of the better posts you've written in months.
Must be Cruz coming on board...

Posted by: sandy at September 27, 2016 04:26 PM (DYXbn)

598 It's time to start thinking "out of the box".... in this case, the box in question is the "idiot box", and it is called that for a reason.

Posted by: Box Populi at September 27, 2016 04:28 PM (TJ8u+)

599 I'm late to this thread. But regarding Hillary's constant soulless smirk: remember how obsessed the MSM was with Romney's occasional genial smile -- calling it a smirk and declaring it weird? Good times. He didn't even cackle like cankles does.

Posted by: starboardhelm at September 27, 2016 04:47 PM (hOtJL)

600 WOW!

I didn't expect this thread here.

Or, ACE could have said simply, the Elite/Pundits care more about style, of substance.

But yes they are basically praising their own intellects and Hillary is their preferred mirror.

Sort of like with Obama, but Hillary lacks the charm... such as his is.

Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at September 27, 2016 04:52 PM (A5STV)

601 i am seeing much less in the way of yard signs in my neighborhood.

One thing i have noticed: several homes which previously had Bernie yard signs have not put up Hillary yard signs. Signs for local and state-wide elections, yes, but no Hillary signs.

Posted by: Another lurking lurker what lurks at September 27, 2016 04:57 PM (Lbm4n)

602 With Hillary I thought of this scene back when the Simpsons was funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CCh9sk-9l4

Posted by: Star Tripper at September 27, 2016 04:57 PM (qZ/rV)

603 Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 03:27 PM (EnK/R)

I just expected the coal country part of Pennsylvania to be along the southwest border with West Virginia, south of Pittsburgh. Thanks for clearing that up.

Posted by: Advo at September 27, 2016 06:44 PM (rfIyI)

604 I only care what politicians say unless they are new. Otherwise I will look at what they've done and ignore everything they say.

Posted by: Senator Warren at September 27, 2016 07:04 PM (GGIIM)

605 "You have to purge the Matrix from your brain."


or just shut off the TV and leave it off

Posted by: Shoey at September 27, 2016 07:17 PM (vA94g)

606 Donald Trump's little 5-year-old granddaughter Arabella Rose was sitting on Grampa's lap after the debate last night and very innocently asked, "Grampa, was Hillry Clintain tha onlyest person you had ta debate this week?" Grampa answered, "no honey, Lester Holt was much weaker."

Posted by: jim mayer at September 27, 2016 07:53 PM (fJ1OA)

607 I know that Hilz the Haggard Harridan shaking her old, deflated and wrinkled tatas at you Morons won her some votes last night! Right, boys?

She was very doped up with that big ole grin (and we know she is the bloated queen of BRF aka bitchy resting face). I would be doped up, too, if I were her. Probably the way Bill tolerates her (except for the shaking tata part...one of the reasons he has a panic room)

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Deplorable Infidel Queen at September 27, 2016 08:38 PM (Cx8BK)

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